11 Episode results for "Janet Taylor"
Taylor Behl /// Part 2 /// 397
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Well he had some charges for assault and breaking and entering and I think it goes even beyond that one thing that I find. Extra troubling here is statements. We have from some of her friends. The say that Taylor had gotten into this habit of parking her car on Ben Fawley Street on the street that he lived on because there were no parking meters there for her to worry about. So what I'm getting at here with this captain is we have this situation where there seems to be some kind of friendship between the two. It looks to me like Ben. Fawley thinks that it is. The friendship is one thing that it is not and then we also have the situation of heat. He's got a violent past a history of violence and he also probably could know when she's coming and going because he could visually see her vehicle parked on his street. Well yeah and again the ruse of our some photos for you and and we know that he's involved in these odd pornographic sites well in regardless of whatever. Their relationship was or their friendship. I should say friendship because relationship makes it sound like something that was not regardless of what their friendship was. The the thing is her friends that knew about folly. All really say hey. I think she was starting to realize that Ben Folly was more screwed up than she really wanted to deal with but again it appears that they may still have been hanging out. Now when questioned by police about this friendship with Taylor Ben. Fawley said that he had no idea where she was and he was worried about our. He said the last time he saw her was around nine thirty pm on that Monday night when she left his apartment after they he said after they hooked up. Police didn't believe him and fact they named him as one of several persons of interest in the case on October third but the problem was ben folly maintained that he had an alibi before Taylor had even been reported missing. Ben Fawley went to the police station and filed a report alleging that he had been assaulted on the street by several guys. The timeframe he cited for the attack was around five. Am on September six. This occurred in an alley near Franklin Street and Monument Avenue Folly alleged that he was hit with an unknown object in a bag placed over his head and then he was thrown in a car and driven around by several men before being released on a dirt road and he had to hitch a ride home and they do have evidence of this. We have the person that he hits ride from saying. You know cooperating. The story to eat markings on his individual. Well so police looked carefully at this claim. Trying to determine like you said captain whether this was true or not the problem is if it is true that it seems very likely that folly could not have been responsible for abducting Taylor folly filed this report around four. Pm on Tuesday. He made vague references to the attack. Likely being a result of a long running altercation with with an axe or another photographer over rights to some photographs which seems a little loosey. Goosey to me while you know those photographers they like to. There are bad bunch they they they have a gang of people. And they're gonNA abduct you place a bag over your head and hit you with objects. The police officer whose name appears on the incident report did note that folly admitted that he was extremely. He says he was extremely intoxicated. When the alleged attack took place he also said that he took medication for bipolar disorder. Now Okay and let's let's dive into that real quick because most of the the medication that you would be on for bipolar or not things that you would one want to drink on but they could also cause you death if you do drink on those medications again though you are. A- level individual who makes good decisions. We once again find ourselves discussing a guy who does not make good decisions. I would be taken this Report as officer and when I would say officer's name I'd put silly goose so the thing that I have trouble with here I don't know really why this would be considered any type of alibi because folly says it. He lasts all Taylor if we are to believe him at nine thirty PM and then maintain that the attack happened at five. Am right hours hours later. Seems to me like you had plenty of time to a doctor kill or do whatever during that that timeframe bought and we have footage of her leaving her dorm but they're going to find footage of him outside her dorm room Yeah so but again. He's not denying that they hung out that night. Well and the thing is I think what we have here is really kind of front. A bit of a tactic by police. We saw how smart they were with the vehicle situation. Valence vehicle. Yeah I think they thought. Hey this Ben Fawley. He's pretty dumb. He's pretty stupid. We had a meeting all right all of us. Investigators and police officers we got together and we took a vote and we decided this guy's a real idiot. So here's how the meeting went a raise your hand if you think this guy is a dumb ass and nineteen hands went up and then one guy was just kind of sitting there playing on his phone he he wasn't paying attention now. One Guy was one guy was like but I really like his van. I saw it on the news. Pretty Cool So I think they all kind of agreed. This guy's an idiot and they're like publicly let's go out and say hey we we understand. He's somebody that we're interested in. We understand that there was some kind of friendship going on. But we have to clear we have to figure this whole. He was allegedly attacked situation. Out We have to figure out if he actually has an alibi or not make him think that you're kind of falling for right And see if he does something dumb because this guy has nothing but a history of thirty some years of doing dumb things. So he may. He may give you whatever you need. He may give you that smoking gun so you can figure out what he is actually been up to because even though we have them on record saying that. I don't believe that they were falling for anything that he was saying. And I also like you said. Where's the evidence of this do? Where's the person that gave you the ride home yet? I'm trying to see where you're going with this guy and my timeline. I know what cops do next but I'm wondering if I'm missing something. Well I really think that it was just a to me. It looks just like a front that they were putting on at the time. I think behind closed doors. They didn't think anything of this alleged attack other than it was a false alibi that it was something that he created to explain away a big window of time that he needs to be accounted for What seems like our thoughts about their investigation. Captain are correct. I mean they seem to be suspicious folly and this did not come out until later but what we do know took place that police did review that security cameras surveillance footage from Taylor's dorm on the last night that she was seeing and asked said she seen entering the building around ten twenty pm. She walks through the lobby to the doors on the right hand side of the frame presumably to head up to her room but someone else then enters the lobby at ten twenty one and paces around for a few minutes clearly waiting for someone. And who is this person? Data Ben Fawley Boehner sniffer so his statement of Hey. I last saw her in the nine o'clock hour can't be true. You followed her in. We have video surveillance footage of you following her into the lobby of her residence at ten. Twenty in the ten o'clock hour right in that she's GonNa come back out to hang out with them so again we know he's lying about the timeframe or dismiss remembering but it's almost like he knew that he was caught on tape so he has to omit that he was hanging out with her that night. I don't understand this whole I was attacked and that set in alibi but the timeframe would be early morning hours and not around that ten PM to twelve PM window but I think where he really messed up is when he was telling the cops well and we hooked up that night. Now we have her friends saying yes. They were intimate before but she didn't want to do that again. That's not to say that she wouldn't of been intimate with them again. I mean we. We have proof that she was intimate with him before so I would actually argue that that would mean there's more of a possibility just because she told her friends that she didn't want to do it again but that leads to please to go. Well she's seventeen and this is going to be enough for us to get a search warrant to search his apartment while you are exactly right because what's going on here. I believe re reading between the lines. I think that police had an idea that folly was with her at a time that he did not give to them. I think they knew that for a while I think there are. They are trying to figure out what else was he involved in and I also think that just because they didn't ask him about that ten o'clock hour he may be unaware of the security camera footage that he was seen on camera. They were seen on camera together at ten twenty four and then they both leave their joint. Departure is not actually caught on camera but neither of them are seen on camera again so we can assume that they left together while here. Here's why say not? Not Maybe the footage that the cops actually had. But here's this guy that's been around campus long enough to know. The campus is heavily secure. There's tons of security cameras everywhere so knowing that you met her on campus you could just assume that at some point they have you on video foot bright and maybe nine thirty thing is it his way of trying to explain that away right but also by sane knowing that you met her on campus. This is why you have to tell the police while I was with her that night for a little bit we hooked up and then she left and I don't know what happened to her. So the security surveillance footage plus the fact that he willingly tells police we hooked up. She's underage. This is enough to allow officers to obtain a search warrant for Ben Follies apartment which was located at four zero seven Hancock Street on September sixteenth. They went in and searched this apartment and the search warrant. Must have included. You know you have to specifically state what you are seeking in this war. A must've included electronic devices. Because we know that police left carrying some computers after this I search and what they found on those computers lead to the arrest of Ben Fawley on September. Twenty third. Captain would you like to do the honors and inform us as to what was found on these computers? Well what's interesting is. I don't think it's just on the computers. I think maybe also on diskin things like that. There was a lot of child pornography. He tries to explain that away by Saint. Some of this was laughed by the tenant before me. I didn't even know it was there. But that connects plane away the child pornography that was actually found on the hard drives and they had multiple computers with extremely large amounts of hard drive space. I mean especially for that time. Two thousand five. That's right there so there wasn't really anything on the computers linking folly directly to Taylor's disappearance although there were those pictures of her that we discussed hundreds of pictures of her yeah and hundreds of pictures of images of child pornography. Well on not just what bribed but the media release. Yeah I mean not just that but also just tons of Berry. I don't know what the creek term would be. You have pornography and then you have this more like this demotic pornography. Okay so this next bits going to the next ninety seconds might get a little difficult to listen to. But here's what I have in my notes. Okay so police said they discovered a massive quote a massive amount of extremely graphic child pornography featuring children as young as three and four years old being raped by some reports as many as seven computers loaded with pornography were confiscated from the apartment according to the Richmond Times dispatch senior assistant. Commonwealth's Attorney Mike Jag oils. Later told judge Kimberly O'Donnell that there were as many as thirty movie files discovered on computers. That were removed from follies apartment. Some depicting acts with minors as young as one. This is this just tough to even read minors young as one or two years old and others featuring individuals ten to fourteen years old folly of course maintain that the computers were not his as you pointed out. He says they belong to a former resident of the apartment. No one was buying this load crap that he was trying to shovel Robert. This just proves how this guy's story changes constantly. He's always has some excuse for things and so that's when you really know that. Most likely whatever happened to her was at the hands of this individual so like we said this results in his arrest and also results in a second more comprehensive search of his apartment while that. But here's what's Great. We can put him in for these charges and then because of these charges we can go back and look for more evidence we can build our case and know exactly where he is and hold him and he can't do anything to get rid of evidence in the process so the things that they were looking for in the second search many of the items that were listed on the search warrant included things that would belong to Taylor. You know her clothing her her jeans. Black Hoodie sneakers. Black Watch bracelets Saint Francis Necklace student. Id Nokia Cell Phone and car keys. All of that's listed on the war also listed. Were skateboards sometimes. You WanNa put a generic term out there so you can take any skateboard that you find burglary tools. This would probably go back to his previous convictions. There are also looking for knives hammers shovels and pry bars. And then I found this to be strangers. Always something strange listed on these search warrants on here we have the ever suspicious pepperidge farm cookie boxes but yeah I couldn't figure out I have no idea why this would be on the warrant. The cops were hungry. I don't know if they had reason to believe that she would have had one of these cookie boxes in her possession at the time that she went missing and maybe that then they can go. Okay is it might be coincidence. But it also might be a sign that she was here right later that night. I don't have a complete look. Incomplete list of what was found in the apartment. But here's what we do know was taken out of the house. Pursuant to the search warrants women's white underwear a laptop computer a Macintosh computer a digital camera sex toys including dildos and spiked bracelets a knife. Two bags of clothes from a garbage can outside of the house a beaded necklace with a cross from this was removed from the garbage as well. A bicycle chain necklace. A watch from the garbage can a thirty five millimeter camera. A box containing bones. He collected weird things like that where everybody has a right to have weird shit. Oh Yeah Yeah we we we. We all probably own some weird shit rolls of film. I mean we probably don't have a bunch of dildos lane around A black brawl a machete. Cigarette BUTTS A prescription bottle skateboards they did find skateboards yearbook a hatchet. A hammer a pry bar a thirty two caliber cartridge and a partridge in a pear tree. I mean it just goes on and on and on the one thing. That was rather interesting of note here captain. Police also removed a section from a box spring that was stained with some kind of Reddish Brown substance they did include and executed a warrant for follies hair and DNA samples. Not Found Taylor cell phone that they were looking for her college. Id Her car keys again. Anything linking Fawley Ben Fawley directly to Taylor's disappearance does not seem to have been found just on the child porn possession alone police had enough to charge folly with a felony. And as you said hold him while they continue to build a case against him regarding Taylor's disappearance and they also charged him with a possession of a firearm because remember he's a convicted felon. He's not legally permitted to be in possession of a gun but the their investigation takes pretty interesting. Turn as far as because you you collected all the stuff but but where do you go from that? I mean that none of this other than the child porn pornography. Can you charge him with or like you said the the gun possession charged so you can add that on top of things but well. They're going to go to the public for help okay. Because on October eleventh police announced that they were specifically interested in the sightings of the following items between the dates of September fifth and September seventeenth. They WANNA know. Had anybody seen a white Ford escort? That's remember that's the vehicle. Virginia License Plate J. P. C. Twenty eight forty eight and they asked the public to call in sightings of the vehicle and a description of whomever may have been driving the vehicle at the time. They wanted to know who had been driving. Taylor's car around Richmond. During that time that they can't figure out where it was they also wanted people to report any sightings of of Virginia personalized license plates G. R. N. E. R. T. age. This was a plate stolen from a vehicle around the time Taylor disappeared and police believed it might have been in follies possession and they also sought information about that. Ohio state license plate as well right. So what's interesting to me is while they need the public's help it seems like they have a general idea of what was going on. At the time he abducted he did something to Taylor and was moving her vehicle round during the time that it was unaccounted for and he may have been switching out the plates multiple times along the way right. Because if you know this girl's missing you you see work kind of car. She has. How many people saw that car looked at the license plates and went while? That's not her car. Yeah yeah it also came out around the same time? The media reported that folly used his credit card to buy gas in new Kent County between Mathews County and Richmond on the night. That Taylor disappeared. So this really kind of to me would suggest that his later claimed that he was attacked. There doesn't seem to be any time left for that to actually have taken place. It's the old jussie. Smollet jumped farce. We got going on there. Meanwhile Taylor's family lawyer cleaned out Taylor's dorm room taking all of her possessions back to her hometown of Vienna and they stayed at Taylor's family basically stated even if she is found alive she's not going to be returning to vcu at this time. There's too much going on here and 'cause at this point you have to believe that she's -ducted and so if you do find her alive. There's no way that you're GonNa want her parents for her to be around that facility to have any of those bad memories well. Things are looking very very bleak by this time and now they're really honing in on folly and he's locked up and they can start. They WanNa start going through his social circles. Now we're going to publicly asked the public for help but we're going to get into his social circles and ask these people for help and one of the people that they come across. Is this young woman named Aaron who was also a VC use student and somewhat of a friend or acquaintance of Taylor's an oddly kind of looks like she could be related to tailor definitely. Looks like Taylor's mother like there's a lot of similarities there and she's a little older than Taylor She's twenty three at the time. Apparently she dated Ben Fawley for some time. I guess they only dated for a couple of months before Aaron broke up with him and she. She probably didn't WanNa come forward because of such an embarrassment that she dated this Douche in the first place well I think she was the one that the charges some of his previous convictions stemmed from so well. He had a history of these girls after a while. Yeah but oddly he would. He would start dating them and because let me take pictures of you. You're so beautiful. And he would make these girls feel like they're the best thing in the world but then that became all well now. I'm jealous of everybody else and I just love you so much. I'm jealous of everybody else and then become aggressive almost like self sabotaging the relationship like well. And here's the thing to captain going on. Now we've seen a lot of these types of cases anytime. Detectives think that we have somebody who needs to hide something that they never ever want anyone to find they start asking the people that know them best. Okay is there anywhere that he liked to camp or go fishing or go hunting. You know outdoor activities. What does he do and where does he go? They start talking to Aaron. They start showing her picture after picture from his. Pho- photography webpage because they need her to identify some of these locations. Here's picture tell us where you think this area is? Yeah who take pictures of girls and things like that but would also take pictures of old rundown sheds and you know just fields in in random items and locations so one photo that caught her eye. You know she's looking at photo after photo. Finally she sees one and she's like Holy Moly. This might be something here. This is a photo of an old abandoned house with like a Tin Lean to attached to it. The House was oddly enough located on her family farm. Which was about ninety miles away from Richmond in Mathews County right and I think he. She took there at some point. Maybe they've been shot. Shot those photos together well and remember we talked about folly purchasing gas with his credit card right out that night now all of a sudden this photo of an old abandoned house ninety miles away out in the middle of nowhere seems very important for all of our sakes. We need to avoid crowds any way we can right now. But what if you need to go to the post office? What if you need postage to send out letters and don't worry? Stamps DOT COM is here to help with stamp dot com. You can print postage on demand and skip those lines and crowds at the post office. You personally print official. 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Thank you for telling a friend about our little garage show to thanks for your friends not to listen to and thank you to you captain and they and they thank you and thank you to our friends that listen all right. We might have might have had a few too many now. I love you man on October up right on October. Fifth Police headed out to the site. Where that photo was taken this accompanied by Aaron? They photo. Yeah and they're going to be searching this whole area and before too long. They identified a body any plastic bag in a ditch off the side of a wooded road. The remains were very decomposed but were wearing clothing. That was similar to what Taylor was wearing when she disappeared. Sure enough. The medical examiner soon identified the remains as Taylor beale based on dental records. One thing about this girl. That's helping out the police. There she goes out to our family's property. She doesn't know what she's GonNa find. They've they've find Taylor she that has thing about the relationship she had with this person. And how that possibly could have been her that'd be very traumatic experience. There are several theories as to why this area may have been chosen for the the dump site. The seem a little odd. Who knows what was going on in the mind of the person who placed her there so there. There's one theory that I do find this interesting. I don't think it has anything really to do with the case. But there's a thought that maybe Ben Fawley thought if he put her on errands family's property that maybe it would get confusing to investigators in Aaron. Could somehow be involved in Taylor's disappearance possibly we. We know he lies about everything. I think what likely happened is this is just unfortunately a place of popped into his mind when he thought of like we said earlier. Hey I got something. I don't want anybody to ever find and he thought this was a good place to put it well. They're going to go back with this information. This is basically now the cops have a loaded gun that they component him and he's going to start confessing to what he claims happened that night. Yeah and one thing that they will be equipped with when they go in to talk with. Fawley is they took some soil samples from the undercarriage of Taylor's vehicle and they were able to match those two soil samples taken from the area where the body was found so they are able to piece a lot of this together before they even talked to them. They where she was found. They have a general idea what happened to her being that she was either abducted or killed and then transported in her own vehicle out to that location and then we know the vehicle came back to the vcu campus area and was was placed there now or died in a manner that did not leave visible marks on her body so they were unable to determine the exact cause of death. There was no broken bones or obvious signs of death. Now Mind you. She rather decomposed at this time. Folly continued to deny that he had anything to do with this. But that's not going to last very long captain just like you pointed out because he will he will offer up some kind of confession well of sorts and this was against the recommendation of his attorney folly told investigators that on the night of September fifth. He and Taylor had driven out to a beach in the Mathews County area to Hook Up. He said he was very drunk and high at the time and was off his meds the two engaged in what he called rough sex and he said Taylor accidentally died according to him. The two had played a sex game and it was all Taylor's idea she wanted to try Roddick But backfired and when she died he panicked and dumped her body in that ravine although he tried to spin this off as some type of accident folly himself may have made mention of what he planned to do to Taylor in one journal entry by Skulls Sixty Seven and eight journal subtitled playing with fire. The trash of a crazy ex-con he wrote about his sexual conquests with partners referred to by their initials like an e. He also talked about someone with the initials. T and said that there was something he still wanted to try with her. This was before Taylor died. Taylor's mother was quick to dispute follies version of the events. Of course she says. Let's be clear. Ben Fawley murdered my daughter. She said in a news conference. His claim that it was accidental is just one more perversion of the truth and his changing web of allies that he claims that there they went out to this location. They're trying to hook up there in the back seat of the car that he was drunk in high in an office medication all that stuff they were trying to put a bag over her head during sex. That wasn't really working. 'cause she wanted a pass out this what he's claiming and so then. He took the bag off her head but then put it around her nose and mouth now once she stopped breathing. Here's a strange thing. As during his confession he doesn't dump the body that night doesn't he doesn't just go all. I got to get rid of her and take the car back. He claims that he comes back to Vcu with her body in the back seat and and that the cars parked there for a day or so then he drives back out to that. Same location than than than dumpster there But again this guy will lie about everything. Yeah and as you pointed out earlier. His story changes win. It needs to. He has an excuse. He has a story. He has an alibi until boom. You present them with facts with truthful evidence and facts that you know to be true and then he says well. Here's a different story for you. Bobby here's the thing. Though is he already has more and more charges. That are mounting against him. Yeah and what's difficult? Though for the Prosecution for the state captain is that we do have this while it does not seem likely it is a plausible defense of this was an accident and maybe he shouldn't be charged with murder. We also have the problem that we really have very little forensic evidence in this case at all So it's going to take a good amount of time. In fact it was not until January. Seventeenth of two thousand and six then a grand jury handed down an indictment of folly. This was for first degree murder. I would love. I would love to try this case. Once the Grand jury was told it was explained that the medical examiner could not have identified an exact cause of death because of the decomposition. Then we have an indictment that was amended to second degree murder. The death penalty obviously going to be off the table at this point now despite holes in their case prosecutors went full steam ahead preparing for a trial working with investigators. Trying build a circumstantial case to prove that Taylor was not the initiator of this so called sex game that she was not bondage or erotic fixation or really would not have consented to any of this crap and that that folly killed her and probably deliberately killed her. It was not an accident by any stretch of the imagination on his defense team saying well she was she wanted to try this because he had tons of pornography on his computer and showed her some different things and choose like. Aw like to try that yeah. That's what he claims but but it doesn't matter I mean the the idea that that Anybody female or male would be on trial for wanting to try something sexually sh. That's her right to that. Doesn't equal being murdered right? You know so. It doesn't matter how you slice. It doesn't matter if it was his idea or her idea. That does that should never equal murder. So what we have here. Captain is in August of two thousand six. The murder trial is about to begin. But what we get I man I so love this. We get a gift for the prosecution because folly opens his big mouth. That's right folly. Made the mistake of talking in his defense attorneys. Got Wind of this and a jailhouse conversation with an officer folly describing on set it up a little bit better because he is coming back to his cell. After after this There was a meeting And and basically this. This web allies that he's been casting. He claims that it's the ultimate chess. Move Right he says he's playing a chess game and really this story that he came up about Taylor's accidental. Death was really just that just a story designed to clear him to take the heat off of him. Explain away what happened. But it's not what actually happened and then we have a little bit more. Holy Okay because you you know this better than me. This is the part. That's kind of confused me because he makes a mission to This officer and then officer. Let's the defense team. No now they can't they can't represent that idea because they know it's a lie that right. No I think the thought here is. We have people that are going to testify that he was lying about the story right and and then we have this weird thing where he's writing letters from jail to a female friend. The prosecution gets a hold of these letters. They did not help follies case. I don't know exactly what was in these letters. But these were mentioned during this portion of the story. And what this leads to is by August ninth. We have folly consulting with his attorneys and they decide that folly should take an Alfred play for second degree murder and exchange for prosecutors dropping the child pornography charges out at the plea proceedings prosecutors and defense attorneys. Were able to present their cases to the judge whose job it is then to determine whether there was enough evidence to warrant folly taking such a plea the confession. His tapes of his confession or so-called confession were played in court and later transcripts were released to the media. More details about this confession came out and you went through quite a bit of that when you were telling us about what happened. One thing I've found weird was its sites that Taylor wanted to play a game that she called drunk monkey and again. It's it's almost. It seems a little silly to go through this confession when we know so much of it is just completely false and we can. We can say that based off of his plea off of his later plea where he accepts that he's going to be convicted of this. Yeah I mean and again I have some questions but I don't think it matters like what she alive when they went out to this location. I don't know did he. Did he bring did he? Actually bring the body back to bring Taylor back You know I don't think it matters. I think at the end of the day no matter what he states everything else again. He can still say he's still saying in prison. I'm not the cause of her death. She wanted to try something. It was an accident while we know that you told people. Hey I'm a genius. I came up with this excuse but everything else points to murder right this this happens. She blacks out. She stops breathing. You don't call nine one one. You then claim that you transport her body back to camp campus. Not Telling Anybody Die. Equals murder you then changed license plates. Multiple Times on that car that equals murder. You then lie to the cops about what happened. That equals murder. You then lie to everybody and tell her family almost braggadocious way while we hooked up that night. No you did it. You probably raped her. That equals murder you then constantly lie about everything and all these twists and turns and take not only the please but the family members of your victim on this wild ride. All that stuff equals murder and then you put her out in the middle of nowhere and her in. This is what her mom says for her body to be eaten by animals and bugs and insects. 'cause you don't have respect for human life you have respect for this young lady. This was not your friend because all that stuff equals murder while and unfortunately it seems like four Ben Fawley well for those around him anyway that he was ramping up to something like this probably for quite some time. Now I don't have those all those letters that he wrote to his friend while he's in jail but when hold on. First Ladies get better friends you who whose who. Who's the person communicating with this fuck? You know well. We do have a portion of one of those letters and this is going to be. What really is going to seal the deal here. And they read this allowed in the The plea proceedings. I believe that all of them all of these letters were read but the one that made its way to the media is this and this is directly from follies written letter to his friend. He says quote people don't like me they never do as a child. I had no friends. I was a bother in the way a problem so I spent most of my life alone. I never liked the thoughts in my head. People are right. Something's wrong with me. All the thoughts of killing and death in my head and now it's true. I've killed someone. These are his own words at the conclusion of the Alford Plea Hearing Judge William Shaw. The third found that there was substantial evidence that folly was guilty of murdering Taylor. Beal he sends folly to forty years with ten years suspended. Folly would serve thirty years. Taylor Beales case is famous because it is one of the first to be solved using the victims social media. Police were able to narrow down the suspect list very quickly because of her postings online Taylor funeral was held the day after her eighteenth birthday. Benjamin Fawley is scheduled to be released on November fourteenth. Two Thousand and thirty one. Let's just too soon. Janet Taylor's mother has published a book called Love. You more Taylor beale story and has become an outspoken advocate for victims. Taylor's friend Aaron Kraybill received a twenty thousand dollar reward for her assistance in locating Taylor with some of the reward money. She established a fund for Women in crisis. In honor of Taylor Bill. All right. Thanks for joining us here in the garage. Nick do we have any recommended reading. Yes we do my fine captain. This week we are recommending without a prayer by Susan. Ashland this is without a prayer the death of Lucas Leonard and how one church became a cult. You'll want to pick up this book because this is a very tragic and weird case and if you pick up without a prayer you're gonNA find out the how but also the why and you don't have to write that title down right now you can just go to true crime garage dot Com and. 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Full Episode: Friday, June 5, 2020
"From ABC News this is perspective. The week's top stories and the stories. You may have missed. I'm Sherry Preston. Coming up around the world they came out to remember George Floyd time for us to stand up in Georgia's main and Saket show Ne-. Next asking why this time it feels different seeing that moment of George Floyd there on the ground faint, he can't breathe. The had an impact and protests in the pandemic. Why one mom said yes, and children's said we have to go be part of history. Do Part of a group collective is? To be done. All ahead on perspective. This week. The world stopped marching for a few hours to honor the memory of George Floyd among those speaking at his memorial service in Minneapolis where his family's attorney Benjamin crump. What we are doing. Is Happened America Be America for all Americans and the Reverend Al Sharpton George. Freud's story has been the story of black folks because Ebola since four hundred and one years ago. The reason we could never be who we wanted and dreamed being his. You kept. You'll need a on our net. Throughout the week, the marches and protests spread across the country, and around the world in Berlin in Sydney and Paris in London. They marched. We literally feel you we understands. Withstanding the we understand and we feel your pain at times typically late at night, there were handfuls of looters and rioters crashing the protests. The peaceful marches carried on each day. People calling for police reform and calling out systemic racism in America. By mid week, those four police officers at the scene of George Floyd staff had been criminally charged. ABC's Ryan Burrow went to the shrine set up to honor George Floyd in Minneapolis. This is where we should be today or else wearing or sitting. to remember him. And to fight for the justice, he deserves all week long at this growing memorial that includes flowers, candles, signs murals, people have been handing out free food, free water, free baby supplies and free hugs. Traffic has been blocked replaced by hourly group. Prayer circles the gas station lot now a space for music and grilled hotdogs graffiti sprayed against cops is now being replaced with words of kindness. Hope an honor for George, floyd the exact spot in South Minneapolis that fueled pain and anger of a life cut short, may the spot that breathes new life into the. The twin Cities Ryan Burrow ABC News Minneapolis President. Trump invoked the name of George Floyd, this week to, but on Friday he touted the nation's latest unemployment numbers. We'll talk about that a little bit later. ABC's White House, correspondent Karen Travers has more on what happened. President trump went to the Rose Garden Friday morning to talk about the May jobs report, but in a lengthy statement, the president addressed a wide range of topics and a reference to George Floyd is raising eyebrows after saying governor should use the National Guard to quote dominate the streets called. The streets you let that happen in New York with breaking into stores, and and all of the things the president said hopefully. Georgia's looking down right now and say this great thing that's happening for our country does a great day for him. It's a great day for. Everybody President Trump did not answer, shouted questions from reporters about Floyd's death and the recent protests Karen Travers. ABC News Washington. Protesters aren't just on the streets this week. They were also out on social media on blackout Tuesday users posted black squares originally launched by members of the music industry in an attempt to express solidarity with those protesting someone on instagram and facebook, sharing their experiences about being black in America, and how over the years they had to deal with racism and police encounters. One of them was ABC's Kenneth Moten anchor of ABC. World News now wrote on facebook about what this time means for him. We sat down and had a frank discussion. George Floyd his own experiences of being black men in America and why he thinks change is possible. This time you remember at the beginning of the of covid nineteen They thought black people were not going to be impacted as much. and. They will breaking it down and then all of us sudden it came in like a tidal wave and so. We started telling those stories about minorities people. In this nation in low income, communities were being impacted by covid nineteen. And, then you add George Floyd. And, people saw in the middle of a pandemic. A man dying. With a officers, knee buried into his neck. As. He cried out for his mother. Taking his last breath. And at that point, I just think people said enough. There have been so many of these cases. Can I've been in this news business a long time longer than you because I'm older than you. Thank you very much but I mean just. You know Michael Brown, and and and Eric Garner and to me rice, and the Quantum McDonald, and now George Floyd and countless others that have not been caught on video. Why is this moment different for you? I've been asking myself and I thought about it even this morning. And I think it's because of the build up because of the Freddie Gray because of Tamir because of Eric, because of Sandra, because Brianna because I'm a MoD. Now, we have George Floyd. But that video? I mean yes. I'm in a visual medium of television. And and people saw that video crystal-clear and heard George Floyd call out for his mother. His final final words to call to his dead mother. And there are things happening in that video that are rarely talked about it had an impact and the fact that we're seeing only in the US, but across the globe people were saying George Floyd's name. And so, they're really hoping obviously leads to some type of meaningful reform. How's your family in or You Charleston. At Abbeville, it's right below Greenville. Small Town. It was growing up fifty fifty black white had a great childhood, and I did not know racism. Even though I remember the first time I was called the inward. And I. Don't talk about that story because I don't want to give it power, but I just remember it vividly. And I remember. thinking. Oh there's no racism. I learned around the same time. I became an adult and left my town. That no, there was some underlying tones of discrimination from the Times. I was pulled over. Police. Officers have asked me. Could they search the bags in my car? For just saying they pulled me over for a seatbelt, violation or officer. One Time I. Remember in Orlando, said to a pharmacy that was closed. So. I pulled out of the parking lot, so he pulled me over and said oh I thought you were cutting through the parking lot because that's illegal and I was like no. I pulled up so I was closed, left the parking lot. He's like Oh, I thought you well. While you're here, let me see your ID. Another officer. Striving a nice car. said. Oh It's a nice car. Is that yours? Yes, it's mine. He comes back. My being goes good news. Your car is not stolen. I know. I told you it was my car. So I have dealt with these things. I don't talk about them a lot. And people ask me these impact. You know my reporting. I don't think I think that. For All of us, we all come in here with a diverse voice. Different backgrounds have an impact on our reporting about how we approach this story. But obviously my main objective is to be objective, but we still need diverse voices. In Journalism And that's hard. It's hard for US journalists, because you. You know people people. Not Not to say poor me poor us. Oh, look, you know you know. We're being picked on or or anything else, but when changes happening in the world in a monumental fashion. To be on the sidelines, telling you objectively here's what's happening is tough. Many times it is, and I've said to myself when I've seen. Human Rights being violated. I said yes. But I will never let history record me being silent. because. Also when it comes to being Black Anna journalists. Jerry. Guess what I was black before I was a journalist and I'll be. Black afterwards. And so when I see human rights when I see the knee and the neck of a man who has gasping for air and then dies. Then yeah I'm going to feel that. I think we can all say that. That was horrible. That was terrible. And no one hopefully will think that I'm biased and I can't tell the story. Hopefully. We're all human beings will see that what we saw on. That video is not right, and we should be able to call it out. Going forward, what do you see as the next step in this? We're seeing the action now. We need the reform. There's so much talk about what should the state legislatures do? We should the federal government do what type of national policy and policing should there be. There has to be action. That's why people are. Banging on the doors of Congress members, their own local officials to say well, what's next? ABC's Kenneth Moton. Thank you thank you. In the wake of George Floyd's death protests took place throughout American cities, and in towns, including one not far from Philadelphia called Cherry Hill New Jersey. That's where Nausea Jones and her two children, Cedric and could Torah went to protest together as a Family Cedric has twenty two Qatar is seventeen. Nausea brought them both to a Trayvon Martin Rally in two thousand twelve again the question. Why does this moment feel different has to do with timing. I think that since we had an opportunity to be home. And we're all on lockdown. We don't have the distractions so we're all paying attention to was on now. not only that we have the empathy sympathy bomb that's gone on that we've been dealing. Compute will being sick and dying in all that kind of stuff nothing right now. We're really polarized. He gave an opportunity to really sit and look and thank. And hear what people are saying. How do you feel about this particular time in history? Do you see a changing? I think that it can. Change more because now we have the youth coming in, and we also have social media on our side so I think. We're seeing a lot of the truth. Now's social media's. Videos and music of all black artists in that goes towards like the so you can find ways to donate without having money combined always talk about average protests is always way you can. Outlive my people know how important this driving into New York City this week. With storefronts boarded up and roads blocked for curfews was a little bit scary, but when I hit times square and saw several police cars. I felt safer and then a friend asked me. How would you feel if you were black? Cedric said he has the exact opposite reaction. Every time he sees a police car. It sends like little shop through your body almost. Makes you. You have to make sure everything's on. Point you to make sure everything he says point. To make sure you don't make any like. Than quick sudden moves like you have to just make sure that. Everything is. Good for the officer basically. How do you? How do you teach that to your to your child? And you can. Just. Be Armed with knowledge know your rights and that's what we try to teach is understand. Your rights are even though sometimes you know all your rights in there so violated, but you have to be armed with the information in the knowledge. And it's a shame. You have to maintain a certain Composure! Right and the Corm, where is fight or flight? That's a natural response. So when you're under perceived threat, you're automatically. Your adrenaline is gone. But as a young black male, you're expected to do something that goes against your natural. Instinct. Or ticks light so I remember when I just pulled over, and I felt safe finally. This is a pandemic virus out there. That is hitting the black and brown community with a deadly fierceness. So why let your children go protest with all kinds of other people around some wearing masks, some not yet every bone in my mind body. was was nervous. But I felt like I had to do it. I can't confirm specimen so young adults you know they. They're part of this world. They experienced these things and the trust that they would make proper decisions. Use The precautionary out there. And just common sense, but To me, it's something that had to be done nausea Jones with her children, Cedric and Katori Torah. They're not the only ones having uncomfortable conversations these days. How else are these events affecting the cornerstone of American society, the family, a lot of parents are having trouble discussing these things with their kids ABC's Amy Rohbock and ABC's chief medical correspondent. Dr Jennifer Ashton disgusted with psychiatrist Dr. Janet Taylor explain to your kids about the current atmosphere what they're seeing what they're hearing the protests and racism. Well you can save your kids listen you know how you feel when you asked me to do. Something and I say no, and you say why and I say because I said so all these protesters were saying. That's not good enough because I say so, it's not good enough, so we've taken to the streets. They've taken us their mouths, and in a thoughtful, and for the most part very orderly way saying that we disagree and that is A. A natural part of life, and we can teach our kids to think and how to disrupt when they're feeling something that they don't agree with so it's a really opportune teaching moment about how to be creative thinker and how to stand up for when you disagree with something and Janet. You always say that. Obviously these tough conversations have to be age appropriate. But how do you recommend that? We talked to our children about the police in general. Well, we don't want our children to be afraid of the police and just say you know how sometimes there are people who. May Have the right intention, but they do bad things. Most of the police are good people. You can go to them for help and most of US still do, but there are some police officers who made bad choices, but we want our kids to see the police as a safe entity, a safe structure because they do help us. Jen just mentioned age appropriateness so I ask what's the youngest age you should start talking with your child about these difficult topics. Well as important as it is to talk about difficult topics like. which we know has existed for a long time you know when kids are three or four as a child of color, they will experience incidents whether it's a classmate that says something teacher, so whether we know or not as parents. It's happening so what we can do. Expose our children of all colors to books that have characters that are black. Listen to their conversations, and when your child says it's something has. has happened to them because of the color of their skin or because of their hair texture. We need to listen and we need to show them that we are doing something about it. It doesn't mean being angry, but showing them in a calm thoughtful way about how to handle an insult or slight especially to other adults to make sure it doesn't happen again. We can no longer ignore the pain that. That racism causes to our children, and is there ever a situation where you would recommend actually shielding your child from racism? As a topic I would never recommend that you shield your child from racism is the topic because as important as it is the conversation about racism? It's about anti-racism. And what does that mean that means that we teach our kids, not that we're all alike, but the we can have. Have, the same values and there are differences can suggest beauty. Our differences can be something that we learn so when there is an incident that is unfair with there's an incident where somebody tries to use their power away. That's destructive. We need to address it as a teachable moment, and in terms of those teachable moments. How can parents explain the best way to their children about their race about other races? Well one way is to stop using the word race which we know is a social construct, its meaning with term talk about people turn to their ancestry, their history, their culture, how they see themselves in terms of their ethnic origin and Janet. Mental health professionals like yourself are in short supply as it is. What resources would you recommend to help us? Start this conversation about race well I. Just came across a great organization. It's embraced race dot Org that has wonderful points for parents to with their kids and also buy books that have different characters. The snow. Snowy Day as we're Keith was written in nineteen, sixty two. It's a number. One book taken out of the Newark Public Library. And what does it show a young black kid? Peter, who's going out into the white snow? Use books like that and just see how your kids react, but show them have them experience. Different Cultures and different races and books are great way to do that. ABC's amy. Rohbock and Dr Jen Ashton with Psychiatrist, Dr, Janet Taylor, coming up taking a knee, and taking the Bible how both taken on new symbolism this week on perspective after this. So, you just woke up. Your phone is lighting up with headlines and. NHS and text from your mom saying how do I click this? Okay? Maybe that's just me, but if you want to get up to speed, check out the new podcast from ABC News Start here. Literally. The ground was shaking. I'm Brad Milkey and every morning. We're GONNA. Take you to the stories that matter with fast fresh in silo. Robert Muller Michael Cohen Calling All in twenty minutes start here, listen for free on apple podcasts or your favorite. PODCAST APP. From ABC News this is perspective, the top stories and the ones you may have missed. I'm Sherry Preston. Coming up more businesses, a reopening at another round of jobs, numbers but I, the act of kneeling has taken on two different meanings in the past couple of weeks. There is of course the video of that police officer kneeling on George Floyd's neck, but long before that happened, there was Colin Kaepernick is taking a knee during the national anthem at NFL. Games became a national movement this week. Taking a knee became a symbol of peace ABC's Kiki Palmer asking National Guard members in Los Angeles need. Televised. That you hear for us. Some of these businesses call hey okay. Maybe, it'll be. New. To me you. added. Police officers kneeling alongside protesters in New York City this week. NYPD, chief of command terrence Monahan highest-ranking uniformed officer. The whole department took a knee and talked about why he did it with ABC's Erica, Turkey. Chief for a while you were taking. Debris. it started originally. There was a fight within the park There was a plea that someone had a gun. Guys moved in. They grab. Some people became very confrontational within the park. We were able to get out personnel out. The group kept advancing on the COPS Some bottles started flying into the cops. There was some leadership from the marched was attempting to. Keep moving. To prevent the prevent violence. They tried kept backing up. The crowd kept advance, and he said I can't do it. Come with me. Come with me and we joined together. I asked him to give me a Mike to speak. Could a crowd I spoke to the crowd? I told them enough is enough. It's time for us to lead this nation. Get rid of these outside people who are looking to do nothing but attack police and destroy our communities folded out of the city and let us get back to get into cops in communities together back to what? What we've been doing since two thousand fourteen back to the relationships that we've had in the past and end violence. We don't need to be confronting one another on every street corner. We believe that what happened in Minnesota was wrong teeth. Did you take any with those protesters? Yes, he asked me to take a knee to pray for peace. I took a knee with him he was. Doing everything he could to keep his side peaceful. I thought it was appropriate that we take a knee. We hugged to show that solidarity that people from New York law enforcement in the community we to gather. And these people who are looking to attack police offices Vati Adamy people are looking to loot. The city goes to the ones that we need to drive out of the thirty. Came up through the ranks in the Bronx. You've been a street cop all your life. Have you ever taken a knee with a protester before? Never this is a moment in history. I think it's important. There was no need for my cops. Get into a confrontation. To get injured. It was a moment that hopefully you know. We'll at least get a vast majority of people to believe. That we can heal. That this does not need to be riotous. My cops. Throughout this protest I don't need them to bleed anymore. Teeth will let you get back to it. Thank you I. Thank you. Brothers, though their message to police officers was a little different when it came to taking a knee are met gunman report of this week. I'm one of the Los Angeles police. Department's top commanders also nailing with protesters and hugging Matt, was interviewing the Commander Andrew Palca, when actor and black lives matter organizer. Kendrick Sampson No. This is not what we're about his message. Kneeling alone is not a solution to the problem of police brutality. The most prominent members of President Trump's administration general James Mattis. Who served as defense secretary was also one of the many who this week said no more, but in his case it had to do with his former boss Mattis wrote a scathing piece for the Atlantic and what she said that Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime does not even try to unite the American people, and that we are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership, we can unite without him ABC's Martha Raddatz knows this. This four star general well, he said enough is enough that he really had tried to stay out of it that he really didn't want to directly. Attack Donald Trump for all this time, but he's watched. What has happened across the country this week? You Watch that photo op, stunning stunning interview for Secretary Madison I have known him for so many years I have known him in Iraq and other real battle spaces, and he is the most political person you've ever wanted to meet. So this is really quite. Quite remarkable, so let's talk about that photo. OP. The one with the Bible, the President of course with that Rose Garden announcement saying that he was going to use the US military as law enforcement against US citizens, if need be, and if protests didn't calm down, and as it was happening, protesters were being run out of Lafayette Square across from the White. House to the president could walk across to St Johns Episcopal Church, which had been vandalized the night before he held up his Bible and waited for photos and. and videos reaction was swift. The bishop of Saint John says she was appalled and surprised. She didn't know it was coming. Says she was shocked when she saw the president there in front of her church, so she spoke out I felt in no uncertain terms that I had to disassociate us from that symbolic gesture, and to speak into speak a word of of justice and peace to the nation, also speaking out the president's expected. November opponent Joe Biden President held up the Bible at Saint John's Church just today. I, just wish. He opened it once in a while, said a brandishing. If you open it, you could have learned something and the only African American senator. South Carolina's Tim Scott. He had a bit of a different reaction, but thank you went into the park the expectation that he could do something that provided some calm. MP's and it just turned out pretty pretty bad ABC senior national correspondent. Terry Moran with more on why the president used that Bible and did it in that way. President trump seeks to fight anyone who criticizes him. He wants to Lhasa. Rate the wound he he wants to open it up because he thinks he'll get more energy on his side if he blames if. If he castigates if he insults if he tweets whatever ranting anger he's got, and that is gasoline on the fire in a moment like this. The president responded telling. Fox News I. Did hold up a Bible I think that's a good thing. Not a bad thing in many religious leaders loved it. Miss you, Buddy says president trump has been in her church once right after he was elected just like every other president since James Madison but she says he's welcome anytime, but he is not entitled to use the spiritual symbolism of our sacred spaces, and our sacred texts to promote or to justify a completely entire A. Different message. Many of those who have been marching have said they're well aware that going outside is potentially dangerous. The Corona viruses left over one hundred thousand Americans dead and the best way to fight it. Doctors say is still social distancing washing your hands wearing a mask. If you're one of the millions who marched the past two weeks. You should probably try to get a covid nineteen tests, doctors say. ABC's. Michelle Franson spoke with Dr. Simone Weil, an infectious disease specialist at south shore health in new. York about the coronavirus risks associated with these protests conversation was part of ABC's Daily Podcast Star here. Can you give us an idea of seems like the dangers are obvious, but what are the specific dangers when you're mingling with crowds in the middle of this outbreak? You know it's. It's unfortunate that we have to be dealing with both scenarios at this time. Racism is a real problem. It's a public health issue in it's one of the social determinants of health that we talk about. We need to address this for or people of Color now for the past few weeks. We've all being in lockdown and now we have the protesters in large groups where these. These are one of the major factors that we've been talking about that deals with the spread of the virus, so we have a large crowd people shouting screaming, which is that risk for spreading the virus person to person so these things are very concerning to us as we try to deal with the Colbert nineteen pandemic, we have over a hundred and six thousand deaths in the. The US. We've already seen that. Experts from the CDC estimate that those numbers are going to climb in the next three weeks. What sort of timeframe are we talking here with the protesters and the new cases that we might see so absolutely we do expect to see a new cases given all the factors that we know that spreads the virus in the incubation period for the. Krona virus is four to fourteen days, so you would imagine you know within the next week to two weeks, and then depending when these protests and than you'd expect to see cases beyond that so doctor we've heard from White House coronavirus coordinator Debra Burke, she is called for expanded testing. Saying Hey. If you've been out protesting, you may want to get a test or you may want. Want to self quarantine for two weeks. Is that a good idea? Absolutely A. WE really need to take this serious that we're going to have spikes in cases, and we want you to go out and get test in part of the problem that we're going to run into. Is that one? Some of the testing facilities have been closed because that's where the day protests have. have been occurring, and they are concerned about their safety, and so some of these sites have been closed, so of course that pose a problem and these are happening in black and brown communities, where they have been affected at a significantly higher rate with the corona virus than White Americans and we asking patients to quarantine, sometimes, that can be difficult in these communities both scenarios are. Are Great Ideas, but they will post some challenges in these very vulnerable communities, so if people are going to continue protesting, what advice do you give them when they're out on the street? And when they come home, first and foremost, I WANNA ask all you if you are not feeling well or your -ill, please stay home because you're just going to put other people at risk. Where your mask or face covering that's very important. Hand sanitizers I protection. If you have goggles are fatio that will be important. We also want you to stay with smaller crowds, I know that might be difficult, but if at all possible stay with smaller group and social distancing. That's what we've been talking about would be very difficult, but try if you can social distance, go out and be safe. ABC's Michelle France with Dr Simone Weil an infectious disease specialist at South Shore Health and New York. The Labor, department, says nearly two million more Americans filing for unemployment benefits this week, but on Friday, the May jobs report shocked everyone. The unemployment rate went down. Most economists thought it would go up and the jobs numbers themselves also were very very striking, two and a half million jobs were added in May the Labor. Department said showing signs. The economy seems to be improving, and we may be experiencing that v-shaped recovery that economists had hoped for. For during the pandemic, ABC's chief Business Economics correspondent Rebecca Jarvis says the news is really good for those who've been furloughed, but permanent losses may still becoming. It appears that the worst losses of this recession of this crisis are over in behind us. The question is how quickly does corporate America do small businesses? Bring people back. Yes, this is a good start, but when you dig deeper into the report, you see the fact that a lot. Lot of Americans ten point. Six million Americans are working part time economic reasons that means they're working part time because there isn't a fulltime job for them yet. Also if we want to get back to what this country would consider, full and healthy unemployment, another thing is the majority of jobs that came back our jobs that people believed were temporary job losses. When you look at the jobs that did not come back. Then you come into this. This territory of what can be known as a jobless recovery where a lot of the economy comes back. Our overall feeling in a general sense as a country is more optimistic, but the jobs that were lost as a result of the crisis. Do Not Return in full. Is it possible there's been some good to come from the marches I, small businesses across America ABC's Brian Clark has more on one restaurant tour in Washington DC who says. Says, he sure thinks despite the positive economic gains, businesses are still making tough decisions like weather not to reopen shark tanks? Kevin O'Leary warned against restaurant owners reopening even in a limited capacity, not open the dining space at twenty five percent. You will lose money. It takes sixty percent to just break. Even focus on curbside and delivery. Keeping your kitchen staff. Working the restaurant business is brutal, but this week some business owners got help. We've Seen An. An uptick as release sued, supporters of minority owned businesses. The support is very diverse on social media. You might have seen blackout Tuesday. A campaign originated in the music industry where folks post a black square on their pages to stand in solidarity with protesters, a lot of people also posted links to business is owned by black or brown Americans where people can show their financial support Andrea. McCain felt that this week then to white young ladies. Ladies Come in and let me give two hundred eighty dollar tip to our set with no order. Andrei owns half smoke in the Shaw, neighborhood of DC. He's a black business owner. He's laid employees off cut his own salary in half and applied for PCP process. It's been similar in some ways. This pandemic period that were things have changed so quickly. We went from last. Friday being clear to partly open patio with limited seating in social distancing. Distancing back to being placed on curfew, and then you know sense to having to close in restaurant operations because of the curfew goal is that his restaurant will continue to serve the community. We served a Tana protesters and we've serve food, but we've also serve them reassurance that it's not all bad in that were gonNA be there and be here in the protests, despite the more damaging aspects of the protests, just another opportunity for us to. Unite at a time with racial tensions inflamed in the wake of George Floyd's death Andrei hopes half smoke will not only continue to serve the community, but operate as a sense of hope for other minority business owners in DC, and across the nation swimming in a lot of protests, walking past us in drugs, and there's clearly the the risk of something s playing at any point in time, but particularly as a minority owned business. It's important to me to show to. Everyone despite. What's thrown at us whether it's code or a tragedy or protests? 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"Thank you for listening to this podcast, one production now available on Apple podcasts podcast one spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast. All right, just a little heads up. This is a two part series. If you haven't listened to part one yet. Stop what you're doing right now, go back and listen to last week's episode part one. It's called Margaret Williams. degree. Degree reported. I! The first degree. Supposed to have it in movies not. And I. I did feel sorry for John and I sell bike. Even from the beginning there was just this dark sides him a sad side. But when I read the. Bad Mouthed Margaret and talks about some of these women I thought no. He's he's a psychopath. So. Welcome to the first degree that your podcast. You might end up on my name. Is Jack Manic? I'm sitting so far away from Alexis Link Gutter and Billy Johnson and Alexis has our Mike set up with a bunch of crunchies today. So you know we are off to a good episode. It's IT'S A it's a good episode. 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Take a little bit, but whenever took murder victims and when people say. Oh, they were. They were marginalized. They were they were drug users they were. They don't. There's so much of that in society where you don't see their picture in news. The one of the things I always say is that they could have gotten enough money. To eat an ice cream Sunday for some reason that seems like so much freedom to me and life to me, so this actually means a lot to me. Let's sweet belly. What's your favorite ice cream Sunday? You know what I got a little chocolate, a little peanut butter, a little peanut butter in there through a little hot fudge in their their little A whip cream in there, you know. That's that's my. That's my thing. Deep dark chocolate. a classic Sunday Now I want some ice cream, but That's enough of that. So, let's turn down the lights. And turn up your anxiety. Because this could be. For more than four decades, the brutal murders of two young women whose bodies were discovered strangled and brutalized in the hills near Stanford University less than a mile apart from one, another remained a total mystery. The man who killed them, John, get true managed to fly under the radar, maintaining the appearance of living a pretty normal life. Those. Who knew him describe a family man, a boy, Scout, leader, a loving father and grandfather. They had no idea that the man they thought they knew had been attacking sexually assaulting in murdering young women since one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty three. The consequences and stigma of committing such a heinous crime did not follow John Getcha when he returned to the United States, he was left free to his own devices and full advantage of his anonymity. Last week we took you through. Get Yours high school years on the base. We killed Margaret Williams Margaret's murder haunted our first degree barbara in two thousand seventeen. She was shocked to hear his name in the news yet again, because over the years, Barbara never forgot about Margaret and never forgot about John. Get true, and that's because a number of her friends and her and her sister, and then her sister-in-law. Who is your best friend on the base? They kept in touch in this story did not ever go away. It would come up here and there and they always wondered what happened to John. Get true. We. Had this story in common? And so you talk about it. You know whatever he's like. That came up and lead say. I wonder where he is, and I wonder this back then. We didn't have social media. We didn't have Internet nothing so all we did talk about it and talk about how scary was and. I don't know then after a while. You know you move on, and you let it go, but every once in a while is something happened. And so get this my sister and I. We do like your shows. We like podcast like this. She's listening to one call case file, so she was listening to that as she fell asleep. That's what she saw. She Falls Asleep and she said she was just about asleep and she here's the name. Get through, and she sits up in bed and yells husband up. Wake up! This is about. John Route because he was over there, too. And it's about a girl who was killed in Stanford and in the last fifteen minutes he talks about gets very short I started googling and found that Palo. Alto article that told a lot, and I just went some I started reading tonight. No all about funding and you've learned about their personalities and whatnot. And as soon as she said that. I said. Didn't you always think he'd be a serial killer? Will we kind of laughed it? which is not appropriate, but she goes yes. Of course could be of course he could be a serial killer. And there's no doubt that John True is a serial killer, but to what degree to answer that we need to go back to the beginning. Today's case takes us back to August twenty sixth of nineteen forty four, and this is the day the mark, the birth of John Arthur get through the movie. Playing in the theaters was marriage is a private affair starring Lana Turner James Craig and as far as songs topping the Charts Bing crosby swing on a star was the song everyone was listening to. Now. There's no one setting for today's case. But we'll start essentially where the villain began and that's Newark Ohio. Which is a city? Three miles east of Columbus, and Newark is the twentieth largest city in Ohio. It's not terribly big. And what is most known for our the Newark Earthworks Resnais major ancient complex built by the hopewell people. And remnants of this earthworks still exist today. During the late eighteen hundreds, and the early nineteen hundreds, the licking county fair took place inside the Great Circle Mound, which is one of the largest of the structures. And then the Ohio National. Guard utilize the octagon mound as a drill field. And it's here in Newark Ohio. The John Arthur Gatera. Was Born on August twenty, six, nineteen, forty, four. His Dad was Major Charles J, JETRO HIS MOM IRMA QUE get through! He had two siblings Danny and Marquette, he stayed in Newark until he was four in the get through. Family frequently returned Ohio visits between being stationed at basis around the world for most of John's Childhood and adolescence when God was. Was In grade school. We know that he was an Army Brat but an ongoing female notice throughout this episode is that it's incredibly difficult to try to piece together. Where people were in the nineteen fifties in the nineteen sixties in the nineteen seventies, even in the eighties on ancestry dot com I did find a ship blog that proved that John True sailed from Japan to San Francisco in nineteen fifty five. But tracking a minor down in the fifties and sixties is no easy feat in that even found that surprised me because it was very hard to figure out where he was which base which country at which times right and John, whose picture appears in the Newark High School Yearbook and Nineteen Sixty one as a sophomore, so he attended high school in Ohio if only four short time likely when his father was between assignments and we know that prior to his arrival. Arrival in Germany, where he went to school with her first degree, Barbara he had spent time in Hawaii and also north. Carolina and we do know that he was attending school on the base in Germany from sixty two until sixty three, and it's a nineteen sixty three when John Killed, Margaret Williams he then spent those measly two years serving a sentence for her murder between sixty four and sixty six, and then he returns to the United States, but then why? What we can't be sure of is that upon his return, it became clear that those two years in a German prison did not rehabilitate John Get true. Not even close. And we know that because we now know that more women net Margaret's fate. It's hard to know. Where John Catcher landed immediately following his return from Europe. There are no records it can be found between sixty six and sixty nine. However, we do know that he got married to his first wife in sparks Nevada. which is a town within reno? And by Nineteen seventy-one, John Wife moved to and settled into Palo Alto California, which is near San Francisco. And at this time he's working as a lab tech at mills. Hospital, which was located in Palo Alto he later worked the Stanford University Medical Center as a cardiac technician, and then eventually oddly John started working in security at Stanford University the name of the company that employed him in seventy, two was officially listed as Plant Protection Services of Palo Alto and. and. We know that the seventy s were rocked cursed. Whatever you WANNA call it plagued with a number of prolific and extremely deadly serial killers especially on the west coast. We have bundy. We have raider. We have Dangelo. We have the hillside strangler, and so on, and so forth at the time. It wasn't clear how many serial killers were at work across. But. It was more than a few. We didn't have the technology to help. Connect cases, nor could information be spread quickly amongst police departments. Keeping in general was LAX. People could easily assume different names, new identities and John Jetro had all of this working in his favor in the added bonus he had also was that he was military brat which. Makes it much more difficult to figure out where he'd been where he was or anticipate where he would go. And we know where he went Palo. Alto Northern California. An area that was plagued by a rash of murders in the early Seventies. And that included the murder of twenty one year old Lesley Marie Perlov Leslie was Stanford University Law School student. And she also worked part time at the north. County Law Library. On February Sixteenth Nineteen seventy-three. Leslie went on a walk in the hills near Stanford University. And there was a very specific reason for this track. She wanted to find a viewpoint from the hills that you want to have painted on canvas for her widowed mother's birthday, so after work she drove her Orange Nineteen seventy-two Chevy Nova to the gates of a rock, quarry and part. From there. It's believed that she walked North West. And when Leslie never made it home, a search for her started immediately I, her car was discovered, but there was no sign of Leslie or her purse anywhere police and volunteers searched the hills, and they eventually came upon Lesley's battered beaten, and strangled body face down in some brush underneath an oak tree. She'd been strangled by her scarf. It was still around her neck. Her skirt was pulled up around her waist and other items of clothing were hanging off her body as if they were forcibly removed, she was wearing a raincoat, and it was stained with blood, according to the police report, Leslie was not sexually penetrated, but her skirt was pulled up in her panties and pantyhose were stuffed in her mouth. Lesley's friends and family were a total loss. Who would want to kill this young law student? They didn't know. I'm sure the sadness in confusion was overwhelming, because remember the term serial killer at this point hadn't even been coined when Leslie was killed. People didn't yet know the real threat of certain strangers be brushed shoulders with industry. It's were carrying with them. This disturbing an inexplicable less to kill torture and rape strangle innocent strangers. This concept is an Zeitgeist now, but it was not back then right so the police at the time had no idea why leslie was killed or who did it. The investigation was further confused when the day after her body was found, they found the body of a man in the very same hills where they had discovered Leslie's body. The remains were that of a twenty five year old man who had a lethal gunshot blast to the face. He would later be identified as Mark Roosevelt. His death was ultimately determined to be a suicide. and. I was rampant that perhaps this was the person who killed Leslie before taking his own life, but in reality. The location he chose to end his life eerily close to Margaret's remains was coincidental. And when the police began investigating Leslie's murder, the only clue of substance that really presented itself was in the form of a witness who said that she saw Lesley's Orange Chevy, Nova parked at the quarry that there was a man with shaggy-haired driving a car near Lesley's. And at one point he pulled alongside and parked next to her car, but this wasn't really that much to go on, and while they're able to collect evidence at the scene. Where Leslie's body was recovered, they couldn't really do anything with this evidence due to the lack of technology, so such as the case with. with, so many murders happened in the nineteen seventies. Lesley's murder went cold ice cold. The following year in the early evening hours of March, Twenty Fourth of Nineteen, seventy, four, twenty, one year old Janet and Taylor left the home of one of her friends who lived in Palo Alto and she decided to hitch hike back to her house, which is located in the nearby city of La, Honda. Her friends begged her not to go, but she said she had to. She had to go home and let her to. Doberman pinschers out for to go to the bathroom for the day. Witnesses leader came forward and told police. They spotted Janet walking on Gina Perreault. Sarah Boulevard, which had a decent amount of cars on the road that evening there was healthy traffic flow and Janet was seen at seven thirty PM. That night and it was actually the last time anyone would ever see her alive. Because the next morning delivery driver found her body in a ditch alongside interstate two eighty. Her body was fully clothed except for her shoes and purse, which were messing. She was wearing green corduroy pants. When police arrived at the scene. They discover that Janet had been strangled. Likely her own gray turtleneck sweater. The medical examiner observed emerges in her throat and fluid and blood in her lungs. Marks appeared to have been made by the design on her knitted turtleneck sweater. As if something had pressed hard against it. The hired bone in her throat was fractured. There was also evidence of sperm in her crotch area. But no injuries. Her clothing was preserved, and although police investigated to the best of their abilities, they didn't come up with a suspect. And Janet was not a student at Stanford. University But her murder still sent shockwaves through the community. Because Janet's father, Chuck Taylor was Stanford's Athletic Director and football coach, the police struggled to find out who killed Janet at the time she was working for maritime. Information Center in Palo Alto area and she was a student at a school six miles away from Stanford at candidate college in San. Mateo County. There was less than ten minute drive between these two campuses. Hitchhike between the two schools to meet up with friends or meet up with her dad or different activities like that. The murders of both Gina and Leslie were shocking sickening, and they had a number of things in common in both cases, the police in the victims families believe that their daughters had no prior connection to their killer, both were twenty one years old both. Both had connections Stanford University they were both found face down both strangled with a ligature, and each found less than a mile from one another, but here's the thing. Unfortunately there murders were not the first that occurred within the vicinity of Stanford University. There had been four others that were similar that had been perpetrated by under assailant between nineteen seventy to nineteen, seventy six. Both, Janet and Lesley's cases began to go cold. That was until the arrest of Ted Bundy. Who was known to target young women on the West Coast? Sectors wondered if he could have been responsible for the killings. But after looking into Bundy detectives concluded that they couldn't find any concrete evidence. That bundy had either killed them or had taken them. Then in nineteen, seventy, five John Get true slips up. Here's what happened. In the words of Diane Tell who is now sixty two years old at this time. Get. Your was still married to his first wife Sue. And, even though the couple didn't have children, they were very involved in the scouts for some odd reason. As a scouts leader, John took the children to dances and other events and active as guardian according to Del. Just, say real quick. It's very odd to be a scout leader with no kids. So just throwing that outnumber. It's it's so strange strange I don't know if you'd be able to do that these days. It. Faster now. They're supposed to be a big process to go through, but I don't know. That it's that seems like a no go nowadays. In January of nineteen seventy five, diane was a seventeen year old scout explorer, her parents on a vacation when she and three of the boys ner troop decided to go to a midnight movie, and then get some pizza. Their parents would only allow this kind of late night outing if they are accompanied by an adults and one of the boys had suggested that they invite John Gastro. In one saying got home. She said she heard a knock on the door. It was John Jetro. And he said that the other boys were still wide awake and we're planning to meet at her house, so the boys were gonNA come back over in. This party was gonNA keep going. But the boys never came in as Diane and John. GADGETRY sat there in waited for the quote. Unquote boys to calm. Who would never come? John began to question her about uncomfortable subjects like her relationship with one of the boys. And then he started probing her about her experiences with kissing boys. John also wanted to know about Diane's best friend and other boys in the troop, asking similar questions about their relationships in this May. Diane extremely uncomfortable John Guttridge thirty one. She's seventeen. It's a very odd situation. We have at a certain point. He started kissing her in Diane. Said think of sued think of your wife. Because we're member, Dianne also knows sue. So John told her that they were having troubles and weren't getting along and continue to kiss her, and then he pushed her onto the sofa. Mind you. Diane's little brother is asleep in the bedroom down the hall, and she protested and tried to get up, but he grabbed her by the throat in began to tighten his grip. He threatened her to be quiet and said he could hurt her. John Get your remained on top of her. He took off her clothes below the waist. Any raped her. And most of the time he kept one hand firmly around her throat. Dan recalled at the boys, and their true had talked him up as sort of this amazing leader. They often said that he was very strong. He had taken martial arts. After John Left Diane's house, she went to her friend's house where she told the parents about the rape John Getcha was arrested for raping Diane, and he pleaded not guilty. In the case went to court. The teenage girls testified that during the rape John was choking, and said I have my hand at your throat in I could hurt you. John was given a deal and was able to plead guilty to statutory rape. He paid a two hundred dollar fine, and he was sentenced to six in jail. However, five months of his sentence were suspended, so this piece of shit got one month for violently reaping. Bold and on top of all that he was allowed to serve his time on weekends in County jail like is this familiar to anybody desert? Remind anybody of Jeffrey Epstein it's in saying and just so we're clear. He received two years in jail for killing Margaret. He gets one month in jail for the violent rape of a minor plus two hundred dollar fine, and for anybody that does. This is less than three parking tickets in La. It's insane and I'm really sure that he learned his lesson. Why would he not do it again? Nothing happens to him. He has no repercussions. No and one of the things I wanted to point out. People always ask us like. Why were the seventies such a big time for serial killers and A lot of it is because that they started out raping women, and they got so such small sentences. On yeah exactly. The odds were that women were going to feel the support they needed. To feel strong enough to take it to court, so a lot of women just didn't bother as we I. Mean we talk about this all the time it happens now. Women don't bother now because they don't want to deal with the nightmare that they often have to. You teach people how to treat you and if people aren't getting punished for brutalizing and killing and raping, then they're not gonNA. Learn their lesson and they're going to think we're here at disposal. I mean you get in more trouble for Jaywalking than this got in trouble for violent, violently violently raping somebody so. How those and set, and the girl that he raped the girl scouts, and he said she came on to him, so he got like one month of weekends in jail. I'll tell you what this really shows to. It was certainly a man's world back then. That van. Will you wearing? But yeah. His hand was slapped just like Epstein. He has all those girls. They put him in jail in Florida. So what was one year on the weekends only? I mean another thing that I wanNA point out. Is that now? We have John Killing Leslie in seventy three right we have. Him, killing Janet, and seventy four, and we have him committing a violent rape and seventy five so. I'm no mathematician and I'm certainly not the math genius in this group, but I see a pattern That's one violent attack per year with no repercussions to this point, virtually none I'm sorry. Two hundred dollar fine I'm sure was catastrophic so. We asked you. What are the odds that he is going to stop? Those odds are probably pretty low. We'll be back with the story after this break. It is summertime. It is hot outside and the last thing that I want to be doing right now is making an entire long meal, and that's why I love our sponsor, daily harvest and right now daily harvest is helping beat the heat with a refreshing smoothies and delicious scoops, which is their new plant based ice cream scoops are free of additives, preservatives and fillers. Nourishing organic ingredients like black sesame coconut cream in dragon fruit, and they have four amazing flavors. Dealing harvest is such a lifesaver. They help you stock your home with clean. 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The next time he POPs up was October of seventy eight. That's when he hit us first wife divorce, and he married his second wife, Linda and Caputo despite his criminal record. Get your at a second joined a scout troop, while in Ohio. According to an April first nineteen eighty article in the Newark Advocate. They were in the. IOS Society. Which is an explorers posed open to all youth ages, fourteen and older adults. Which is dedicated to teaching native American traditions and these public records detailing this marriage and this move. John is using the last name. Get through spelled G. E. T., R. E. W. instead of G. E. T. R. E. YOU Remember by now. He has a rape on his record. So, this was a deliberate effort to distance himself from that crime. And now between nineteen, seventy, eight and nineteen eighty-eight, we kind of lose track of John Together and there's very little that we know about what he was doing during this time. And this should probably be the period of time that we're examining the most closely when attempting to connect him with these other crimes. In nineteen. Eighty Ada John, pops backup on the public records radar when he buys property and Alameda County, California and at this point, he is a father with Tucson's. After moving back to California, guttural lived a seemingly unremarkable life in the bay area from the eighties to the present. He was raising a family and joining civic organizations such as the elks lodge. In two thousand three, John's second wife dies of cancer in the early two thousands. He really leans into this quote. Unquote American Dad this sort of vibe into thousand seven. He served as the Exalted Ruler of the Fremont Elks Lodge Twenty one twenty, one in Fremont California then in two thousand eight John Married his third wife, and you have to remember that when John Get was to reading as a family man, he was killing, and yet he was not a law. Enforcement rate are whatsoever, but somebody else was. Vice failure ran soccer the east area rapist, the original night stalker, who we now know as the Golden State killer from nineteen, seventy, six and nineteen eighty-six Joseph Diangelo was doing the same thing. John Guitry was popping up and killing in various cities across California. That man is retroactively. Almost just as difficult to track in pinpoint where he was what he was doing, and where he was working as John gets its. And deangelis murders a gun on solid for almost forty years. When the FBI announced that they reviving their efforts to capture the man, they were now referred to as the Golden State killer. They offered a fifty thousand dollar reward. They put up billboards with the sketches of the GS suspect. And while it was known that there was this revived effort to find a suspect. Known at that time, really knew what was going on behind the scenes. Law enforcement was using genetic teleology to search for GSK. And with Jess K. genetic genealogy technologies snagged its first big win, and that was the capture of Joseph Dangelo Golden State. Killer. And on the heels, their success, and the use of technology to capture Jess K they started to look to genetic genealogy to solve other cases that had long been considered cold last week profiled the murder of Margaret. Williams, and we discussed how Margaret's little brother. Evan was only seven years old and living on the base in Germany when his big sister was killed. Well as an adult, he called the law enforcement assigned to the Golden State. Task Force to tell them about John Gastro. In while Barbara was much older than Evan at the time of Marcus, murderer and the base. She certainly knew who Margaret's little brother was. My sister two days later Arabia. My sister was walking back from having Babysat for somebody and she saw Bevan. Bingo look their apartment window. That was open and he yelled down to her. My sister was killed. He was seven and a half. My sister was killed. Religious looked with him what she said say. She came home and tell me and I was like Oh mark. Evans, said the following to the Palo Alto Journal. Quote when there was a push to find golden killer, I was concerned that the California authorities would not have known about the murder in Germany. When the FBI asked release I. Let them know that this man was the man who took my sister's life and he was living in California. Now timeline for when the police looked. Get true following Evans Call and when they realized he wasn't, she s k. when they realized Dangelo was Jessica, and when they realised John Jetro, could actually be connected to other cold cases is unknown, and even just saying that it's complicated and convoluted, but just know those sequence of events did occur. We know in two thousand seventeen. The police started looking at John detro- trying to figure out where he was in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, three and nineteen, seventy, four, when Leslie and Janet were murdered, and luckily they had DNA for each crime scene, so the police knew these were solvable crimes. All we needed to do was find the owner of this mysterious DNA. So around the same time that it was becoming known the junk, Getcha was connected to other murders here. United States. Barbara and Avin reconnected on facebook of course so I. Was Avenues. Monterey spoke I told him. I said I don't want to bother. You I don't want to invade you but I knew Margaret, and you didn't because you only seven and he said Oh. Tell me anything you know. All about her. How sweet she was and how fixture, UK Day and All of that he said I've never known in me that he said I. Don't know that I. didn't melted I went to the window. He said. I'm so thankful that you told me these things so when I. Texted with Evan. I said Evan I have to be careful. Because I I don't really know you haven't seen you since you were seven, but I think this man has commonly killed women in Ohio when there six years and owns her. Stanford area and he said, meeks. By now Joseph Dl had been identified as the golden state killer. and. By April of two thousand eighteen, he had been charged with the thirteen gs, k. murders, and all the other prosecutable offence is connected to his killing spree. In regards the pursuit of Jon Catcher as a potential murder suspect. while. They didn't have the smoking gun they needed. They had connected Lesley's murder to Janet's. Police have been able to extract. DNA from under Leslie's fingernails and they retrieved DNA pants. Janet had been wearing when she was killed. In regards to Leslie case. The male DNA under her nails was a significant finding. The scientists conducted these tests, said the following day. Palo, Alto Article Quote. It's not that common to find another person's DNA as a major contributor under a victim's fingernails. DNA from someone other than the victim is found less than twenty percent of the time. The presence of another person's DNA. which in this case match get through can't be explained by a handshake or a pat on the back. It would have been from physical contact with skin cells or bodily fluids. Such as semen, some skaters had all the pieces that they needed to put this huge puzzled together. They had his name. They were aware of Margaret's murder back in Germany in nineteen, sixty three, and there were glaring similarities between all three of them. By now, that also learned that John was working at Stanford University as a medical and lab tech. And using genetic genealogy Santa Clara law enforcement had obtained a genetic sample from a distant cousin of John get truce, and the results indicated that somebody in his family tree had been the one to kill Lesley Marie Perlov. They were so close. So police went through this family tree one branch at a time looking for members of the family who could have been in Palo Alto during the right time in the right area. Policemen through the family tree, one brand time looking for members of a family who could have been in Palo Alto the right area during the right handful of years that aligned with Leslie's murder until they landed on John Jetro. At this point John was living in the bay area. A town called Hayward that was across the San Francisco Bay from Mateo California and to get John Veterans Deny Santa Clara County Sheriff's detectives followed he and his wife in Washington throwaway disposable coffee cups in a plastic trash. Can the police grab the discarded Cups and tested them? For DNA. The DNA from get Truce Cup match the DNA found under leslie per lobs nails. Tell you why it got solved because of Evan. Evans said you've got to trace this man's dear men and they said we can't just go Jeddah's DNA. We don't have any. And how do we accurate in? And then they did that genealogy and sound a cousin back in Ohio and I guess you know how they matched the different things on the DNA and found a match then they started looking at all the jets rooms. You know. Can we find any of the countries? And then they found? Oh, there is one he is in Palo Alto. And so then they made the connections. We have to thank the detective department to you know some police departments they go. We don't care. That was fifty years ago. So on November twentieth two thousand eighteen. After forty five years of her case being cold. John. was arrested for the murder of Lesley Marie Perlov. Once in custody. He may be, potentially significant statement during questioning. He told the detective he did not know lizzy Pearl off. And he had not had sexual relations with her. He also said that he had never been in the hills where her body was found. When shown a photo of the twenty one year old victim however. Get your recognized her as a Stanford graduate. And after John. Get arrest people who had known him from all around the globe, started to learn the truth about who he ultimately become, or maybe who this man had always been from the beginning Mary early and she divorced him. She probably. Already married gentlemen, she died. And you married a third time, and she stayed with him, and they lived in Harlem of an apartment. I don't know I don't know L.. A. Roller Palo Alto whatever Stanford, but he lives not SAR like fifteen minutes away from the university and They didn't have any money. He ended up being a carpenter. And just like so many of these stories when they interviewed the neighbors and whatnot go. No? That was the nicest man t used to by. Our kids presents and I'm like yeah, they did. Because he wanted perp on them and I, I did feel sorry for John, and I felt like even from the beginning there was just this dark side to him a sad side. But when I read that He. Bad Mouthed Margaret, and then he talked about some of these women I thought no. He's he's a psychopath. So sure. Word eventually reached Evan Williams the brother of John trews first known victim Margaret Williams. Evans said the following to the PJ star quote. I always had this feeling. I might be made aware of him committing crimes later in life, the article continues from time to time a memory of assist or new story about unsolved serial murders led Evan Williams to research John. Get through and his whereabouts and he admitted that he's had to work on himself for the research from consuming him. The burden carried believing that gets real had likely murdered raped in harm. People was one I felt I was meant to carry until anytime I might be able to have any influence injustice happening in hopefully, some people being spared Leslie Family Live for decades, not knowing who killed her. Sister Diane had kept in touch with the detectives who worked the case for? Those forty years. And she never gave up hope that it would be solved. And then only a handful of months after John Getcha was charged with Lesley's murder and May of two thousand and nineteen, he was charged with Janet. Taylor's scientists had been able to extract DNA from the clothes. Janet was wearing when she was killed, and like in the case of Leslie. The DNA was a match to John get truce. He was held on ten million dollars bail ten million dollars bail. Own, who's posted in that? No scientologist! Jeffrey Epstein. About. The arrest of John Gut true answer to question that begged to be. For more than forty years who killed Leslie Pearl off? Who Kill Janet Taylor? But with the clear outcome in regards to these two cold cases, two questions, a million more questions emerged. Here's what we seem to know about John Jetro Brochure. It appears that he killed women in nineteen sixty three. Then seventy three. Seventy four, but how many others has he killed? This is the question on the forefront of everyone's minds. And once John was in custody investigators. Start a piece things together. And much of their work in building, a time line has been included in this episode, but as we mentioned there gaping holes in terms of information that can be provided by public record. Once news of his arrest became public. People, who thought they knew John? Catcher start to come forward. And share their experience with this serial killer in disguise. Too many who have spoken John get through seemed like a perfectly regular person, nothing exceptional, nothing extraordinary, but nothing overtly alarming either. Some neighbors said in his old age John was the type of man who gave Christmas presents to kids in the neighborhood just because. A man who had worked as a carpenter, a boy scout leader, he'd been a father, a grandfather and a husband, three times over he had worked as a lab tech at Stanford and Mills Hospitals, and liked to work with his hands, dabbling in carpentry and woodworking, meanwhile as detective work through the arduous process of figuring out who John could have killed in which states are countries John Get true pleads, not guilty of the murders of Janet and Leslie at his arraignment hearing. When I said. So, do you think as I think he's killed. killed a woman every year there for about four years in rage girl. Then he crowns I year later killed and year later he rapes. Let's the girl's name. Sharing Lucci! He's the one that I. And I said, there's no way she stopped. He just moved back to Newark Ohio with his wife and a couple of years. I Karen Damn t you? There are cold cases in that area and he was killing women there and then, but not too hot. He went back to La, and of course his kings comes up the middle of September. So we'll see. Why do you guys like Dangelo were like John. Get true plead not guilty when there is so much glaring evidence stacked against them well in cases like this by now. They realized that it's likely that they're going to be spending the rest of their lives in prison. So what the Kausar they're gonNA. Do It's entertaining. scumbags like them like to relive their crimes like to see the sad family members in the in the courtroom audience I mean. This is the Kinda Shit they live for. They haven't had this much excitement since last time they killed so this is why these guys do this. Even though they're gonNA, lose. Yeah, and it's there. It's there ace that's. The only bargaining chip that they have left and that's exactly what they're doing with it. So since Gertrude, capture northern California investigators have been working to contact the police departments in the various cities where John has lived over the years. And even though interdepartmental communication is better than it was in the seventies. It's still pretty awful. And they have their work cut out for them. Luckily the presume solving Leslie Janet's cases did generate a considerable amount of media coverage. Get Yours angry. Chilling seventy-four-year-old Mugshot was circulated widely, and the image of his face eventually found its way into the home of seventy year old seamy valley. Woman named Sharon Lucci. And she. His face immediately. Sharon recounted her story in an article for the P. Journal Star. She said in the sixties and seventies she'd been living in Hollywood California and she'd sometimes go to a social mixer at the Christian Church that she attended. And she had an encounter with John Jetro after one of these social gatherings. John had been with another attendee at this church. Makira, and he asked her out on a date, and Sheridan was kind of uncertain about the guy because he seemed a little bit her, but to older church employees urged her to go out with them, so she agreed to grab coffee with him somewhere for a date. Sharon got into John's car, but instead of drive into a coffee shop he ascended the dark, winding streets of hills before parking and a very secluded spot. Then, this guy turned Sharon put his hands around her neck and started to choke her. Shirt said I spent the entire night with his hands around my throat I thought he was going to snap the tiny bones in my neck. He repeatedly choked her relaxing his hands just in time before she would lose consciousness, and then between the choking episodes, he would chat seemingly to himself, saying God had given him a directive. Quotei said he had to kill me. He said God told him he had to kill beautiful. Women who are temptation to his Christian brothers. She recalled that as this man stared in her eyes, she didn't panic. The choking and releasing continued for hours until the sun came came up. then. She said for some reason when the sun came up, he decided to let me live Sharon believes that her ability to stay calm saved her life. Because if it was fear triggered excitement that Gotcha was hoping to get from Sharon, he wasn't going to get it because she didn't indulge him by panicking. Sharon also thinks that perhaps after spending so many hours with him. He reconsidered. Maybe, he had been wrong in assuming she was some type of temptress, she thought. He decided. This is a quote from her. He decided I wasn't the kind of girl he wanted to kill. The following morning Sharon got out of the car and he drove away. Sharon plan to tell the police, but by the time she walked home, she was too upset to talk about what had happened. I just fell apart, she said. I didn't know there was such an evil in the world. Because she was afraid should not report the assault. I was just a dumb kid, she said. Now Sharon says she feels guilty thinking that she could have prevented him from eventually committing leslie and gents murders in the years that followed. So. It wasn't until Nineteen eighty-nine that Sharon told anybody about what happened to her. She I told her fiance and then later her son, who was a child at the time to convey to him that he should never take chances on strangers, and this assault really haunted her for years so as soon as she saw this mugshot. She knew it was him. Sharon said that despite the fact that decades had passed his eyes look the same, and she'd never forget that, and she said quote I've been looking for. Those is for fifty years. And while there's no real way to really corroborate Sharon story, the please don't really have any reason to doubt her account. Because wall, no proof in the form of public documents have surfaced. That can prove. John Guitry was in Hollywood at this time. We know it's possible that he was there. Hollywood is hundreds of miles from Santa Clara and San Mateo counties, but perhaps get true lived in Hollywood before he moved to Stanford University area, or maybe he just paid a visit to Hollywood flying under the radar, getting hired to do manual labor working as a carpenter staying at motels, people were paid cash under. Under the table, you could rent a house for cash hotels for cash. You could give names everywhere you went. It's young. Jeffrey was killing women in Los Angeles starting in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, nine. That is a terrifying prospect because we know how many murders were happening here at that time will never be able to sort through all of them to figure out which one he may have committed. So the information, though that Sharon provided to the police extremely valuable to investigators because up until this point, they had no idea what motivated John Jetro they want to understand and analyze John gekas impulses his motives in. Maybe just maybe if they can't understand these things about this particular killer, they may be able to unlock more cold cases that he's responsible for. And they were deductions that we can make about John Get through when we line up his known crimes and compare them and contrast them. Now. His California slayings were similar, regarding rape and strangulation. Murder John's that we knew of Margaret Williams in nineteen, sixty three. Margaret Janet and Leslie at each been killed by strangulation with a ligature. Margaret, with pantyhose, Leslie with her scarf. and Janet with the caller from her own sweater. Each young woman was a Brunette. And each was left face down outside. And John Catcher evaded capture by changing his name on a whim whenever he really needed to. And plus the whole military brat thing made him hard enough to track down as it was John also leveraged variables that were really symptomatic of the seventies, women didn't report rapes for a number of different reasons, and there were dozens of active serial killers in California in the seventy s and police departments weren't really communicating with one another to begin with. There's something we brought up in the last episode that we want to circle back to the irony that John Getcha was caught essentially because of the search for GS K. and when you look at these predators next to each other, they're glaring parallels between them John batchelor was born in nineteen, forty four. Just Dangelo is born in Nineteen forty-five John. Get you was a son of an army sergeant, and so as Joseph Dangelo and for a time. Joseph Angelo lived on a base in West Germany where his father was stationed, and it's rumored that Dangelo witnessed the rape of his sister at. At the hands of two soldiers while living on the space in Germany, and as we know from our discussion with Barbara John also lived on a German army base as a kid where he committed his first murder, Dangelo became a cop, I with the Exeter pd where he worked for three years in the Auburn PD where he worked for one year before he was fired and then while John, never actually worked in law enforcement. He did become a security guard at Stanford for many years. There's also the fact in this is just wild that Joseph. Dangelo John JETRO look like identical twins. Google what they look like. Now I'm like this is the same guy like it could've been. Maybe. This is the archetype, though maybe the these are these guys and it's just like. This dude looks exactly like Dangelo so how? How much her? And you know what these serial killers have. These dead is that we hear about over and over. Guys. But although Dangelo has blue eyes in this guy looks like he might have Brown, but I can't really tell in his mugshot. They looked like twins so I, when I took that out I, went maybe I'd filled up the wrong person. And I read the name underneath and I said Oh my God they could be druthers. Chow Votes So the police believe that John. Get you spent time working as a carpenter moving around the state. Following available work and killing along the way. And what's interesting is that that was one of the main theories about who gs K. was. And why he was moving around the state undetected. that. Maybe he was a carpenter for higher, and he was just following the work. Another big K theory prior to his capture. Was the suspect worked in the medical field because there seemed to be medical connections to each one of the murder victims. John Jrue was working as a medical tech at Stanford in the early Seventies. And it said that Leslie Perlov and Janet Taylor had each when patients at this medical facility. Suggesting the catcher may have stalked his victims before killing them. And we know that a large part of GSK's Mo included the element of stalking. That's you they grew. It totally is. That's why they get those jobs there. Charity Guard at Stanford and he's in his early twenties. There's more than two girls that he killed I'm just saying and for him not to come clean and say no. I, don't believe in God. Hopefully you can have it in hell, but I wish he and he'd say before I die I. WanNa, tell you the truth. He won't is a pig. And I felt sorry for him. When I first of all I'm shocked, second of all I thought. I wondered about him all these years, and then when I read about what he said about the women, and how they kind of came on to him, and how he's likes scouting, and then he raped this girl scout and I thought Europe pig. Di. Another shared characteristic between Gechem Dangelo is that they both operated a serial killers while posing as these wholesome family man well, a lot has been revealed John Gastro. There's so much we don't know about him. About serial killers in general, what compelled him to choose to kill one girl, but not another. And these are questions that still haunt Barbara I don't think necessarily warn could. There's dark in. There's light and I have a lot of votes if I am sure that nature and nurture worked in common I'm sure that the human animal is very slot. I'll just say that human gene pool. Coenen. I think that we walk among. Murderers. Rapists every day. I'm convinced. Some now, it wasn't like I'll never trust nat again on the other hand I'm divorced. The idea that John JETRO could be responsible for more murders is chilling. And it's terrible. That nears past there were men who came before the John Get truce in Joseph Dangelo men who disguise themselves as kind, loving father figures in these men died, taking these secrets to their grave, because they were so good at leading double lives in killing without drawing any attention, the truth about the cruel psychopathy were. was never revealed. These men took any hope of justice, answers or closure for the families of victims to their graves with them in more time, more serial killers will be outed. Thanks to genetic genealogy technology, and I think slowly. Many of us will realize that we ourselves crossed paths in Brush shoulders with serial killers, because there are likely a lot more than we think. This justice and their exposure is absolutely necessary. Our worlds are going to change with the realization that there so many more men who love to kill than we ever could have fathomed and beyond that there are a lot closer to home than we ever could have imagined. Well huge. Thank you for a first degree Barbara. She is with us for the past two episodes that she's also in our facebook group. If you have a story, you would like to tell these email us. Hello. At the first degree PODCAST DOT com, you can follow us instagram at the first degree at Alexis linkletter Jack Vanik at Billie, Johnson. Join our facebook group. We're talking all the true crime things and stick around because we're GONNA kill some time and answer your questions. And remember and this goes out to the prison officials in Brooklyn. Only, you can prevent Gill. Maxwell killing yourself. and. Keep your friends close. Sources, for today's episode includes the Newark Advocate US military records Ancestry Dot Com Palo Alto, journal the Palo Alto online the PJ. Star court documents, and as low as our first guest is always our largest source. Did you know that right now? GYCO is offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car, motorcycle and RV policies. That's fifteen percent on top of the money GEICO would already save you. So what are you waiting for your dog to make you breakfast in bed with Belgian? Waffles as nice as that sounds, it's probably never going to happen, but at least there's never been a better time to switch to GEICO. Save an extra fifteen percent when you switch by October seventh visit GEICO DOT. Com to learn more. I took a pill that I bought. From CVS in our. Outside the box, it says stay awake pill. Yeah and I'm like this is going to be good. Okay well, we're GONNA keep that in, but this is the episode of killing time and I'm going to start this off with. We had a social distance. Hang this week ends, and we got pretty drunk and I remember it like ten PM. Ast Jared. If you guys wanted to take some caffeine pills. To. Did you take one ger? No. Jared! Jared has seen the episode of saved by the Bell and he knows. Today! Also the next day I wanted to play you guys. The Kanye West Song I'm like you have to hear the new song and like you made us listen to it. Multiple Times last night I was like Oh! Yeah! You know what we deserved that I haven't had a friend. Hang in a very very long time, and except Jack, forces shots on people, and I've never had someone in the last five years. Suggest Tequila shots like for no reason other than just to get. We're getting. Like okay. Here's the here's the thing can normalize you. Know I'm a grandma. I want to go to bed, but I want to be in bed by like eight pm every day and there's something about the situation of quarantine and the fact that like nobody gets to have any fun than when I have a little taste of fun I wanNA keep going going until I can't go no. Right and you did. The evening evolves where it was like he l.. Let's work on our multi record. And then the tears came, and then it was like. Let's take more shots and let's have a glass of water and then I tried once again to work on our multi-platinum record. and. It didn't happen, and it didn't happen, but here's the thing I don't think that there. It's a real front. Hang unless somebody balls. There is out and then the last time that we all socially. I is the four your is out. Only someone! Billy it's your turn nights or next. Are you ready for it I, don't know you'll have to break through those barriers we will are you. Are you crier? The cry. That's what makes you. A real man is a man that can admit he cries. Jared cries all the time. Sometimes he's cried many times in front of me. So. You know what you have kind kind is. You should do nothing but cry it suits. You. The is that could heal. Anything. We just a soft glance. In the right direction, you can bring happiness to anyone who receives your site. Sounds like. Can you hear me? Yes, he can I. Have. One of my headphones turned outwards senior. Okay so anyways the point of this killing time last week. I asked all of our first season in the facebook group. If you're not in the facebook, group joined the facebook group. We are having a ball in there and I just asked you know general questions that everybody would like to know, but mostly like focused on you know quarantine life so I think I'm GonNa Start with this first question that we have mentioned in private before, but we really gotta talk it out, and it's from Camille. And she said billy if you had to be quarantined on an island with Jack or Alexis who it'd be and why? Will I responded in the facebook group and I'll tell you what I said I said. You would one hundred percent. Pick Jack. I? Think somebody somebody answered this. And I did see this. Somebody answered because she sleeps more than me, and then you'd have more alone time. They nailed it. JACKO's to bed at nine. And then I would be able to be alone. From nine to like to, and then I would sleep in. Yeah, it would be. It would be Jack. Jared just side behind me. 'cause arts. And I buy off generic store brand caffeine pills. Even even if I can sleep, and I'll be like now. Let's get this party started. Yeah, you would. You would find some weird like weed on the island. This be like this biggest like stay up for twenty four hours. Be Like I'm dead, thanks! Now. Why would you wanNA sleep if your dreams are just going to be nightmares? Dot needs to be on a shirt. What was why would you sleep your? Nightmares, let sleep if your dreams or nightmares. Yeah, well. Who? Link Letter, my subconscious is trying to tell me something, and it's not can go to sleep bitch, 'cause we'll tore my. We'll show you. Your mind what your mind does to itself is worse than what reality does to you and say a lot because reality is not good to anybody right now. No, it's just a prison within a prison to be Nigerian. Okay. All right well. Let's move onto this next question. Wait. Who would you be stranded with a desert? I'll wait wait. I didn't choose. I choose jared. Alexis would be on an island with you, jared. He just blew a kiss from across the room. Yeah, did he blow with his? Is People with this kind sad crying? They? He'll feel better suddenly. Who would? I be on the island with. I mean I'd have to be with LAX. Just because you're my best and we've lived together before, so I know that we wouldn't kill each other we. We. I don't know I i. don't know what kind of arguments billion I would get into if we were alone the two of us. You know. Marin we've. We've never really hung on before so. Interesting, it could be really bad, but what? Let's take across trip together. That would be amazing road trip bonding experience. No one's friends after a road trip. Even your closest friends need like a two week. Break from each other after a road trip because it's just like. Everyone just feels a little sick inside of a car as baseline, you just feel a little sick. A little motion, sick, little, hot, a little a little irritable as a baseline then add somebody else feeling sick and bitching about it. And then someone being like. I paid for gas last time, and then suddenly someone's like. I WANNA go to Taco. Bell and I'm like I want chicken nuggets. Suddenly. Your best friend is your worst enemy. Woman also I think the fact that a road trip has really good in theory and really bad in practice. The first hour of a road trip is amazing. Maybe Vegas and then see even road trip to Vegas three and a half hours is two and a half hours too long it is. Anytime at a car is is. Never. I hate driving. Okay, our next question is. Co it comes from autumn. She says what does something a skill. You can do now that you couldn't do before quarantine. have any of US learned a skill? I started running for the first time in my life I didn't know I could do that. Were you not a runner before at all? Now. Is Hard is hard to make yourself run. Not when you're this, I'd. The endorphins or basically like little carrot, dangling in front of you that, makes. So, no, I'm like yes, give me the dopamine anything but this. Look. My. Similar, the workout I'm doing actually incorporates leg workout, so you're not skipping leg day I'm not skip it well. No, I'm work at every day and it's forty five minutes every day, and then it actually includes stuff as well. It's with this like it's a video of this Hollywood trainer Guy and if That's what I've been doing for the last two and a half months. WHO'S THE HALLOWEEN TRAINER? Dan Scardino, he like He. He did like Ryan Reynolds and you Jackman like he's like the Superhero Guy. You Jackman. He does a lot of humans. Right. Jack my skill. Is Not the same as yours. Because I I did actually work out for the first time in months this morning so I feel very proud of myself. I am maybe I. Am a fitness enthusiasts now I don't. Know. Mine hasn't been cocktail making. Which is something us? You know I am not very. Confidence in the kitchen, even with making like Vodka Soda, so this has been a good learning experience for me and I'm making some pretty crafty cocktails. And I feel. I haven't. Really experienced the fruits of that new new talent, but I look forward to that soon. I know because every time you want a drink, just WanNa Vodka Soda and I'm like but Alexis. What's this? Pampa Moose Ginger twist. I'll Martini. was in May has away to get me to agree to drink things that I never would normally drink drink. Like eight drinks that I would never say yes, to last almost over vs who says no to your friends? MOM like you see I. Oh? Do I want more chicken and biscuits I? Don't like that, but yes. Please another helping if it's a mom asking. Getting doesn't come. I don't know it's bad manners. You're always taught to be nice. Your friend's Moms so maze like I've queen. What am I gonNA? Irritate her. Never. Okay last question, last question guys go now. Oh Alexis I. Just think that we need to talk about this. Really quick and it was. From Back. and she says what movies and TV shows have you been washing during quarantine and I just wanted to give a little shoutout. To the TV show married at first sight's that Alexa might have been been jailing. As Zang. It really is what what a concept like married at first sight like. Married and then you're married. And you know what no matter what? Even if the person at the end of the aisle is good looking, they're not good looking enough because your expectations are just like you're so shocked at sensory overload, it looks so embarrassing. Everyone thinks everyone is ugly. In just like it's so weird, unless unless you're the six nine guy that turned out to be a psychopath, and then like when you're is your expectation, if reality, meet your expectations, then it's GonNa Crash and burn. You know. But everything else people stay together on that show, which is mind blowing to me, so it is, it is quite a wild ride. Will because I, think the thing is about marriage like they're not saying be an. With somebody in have crazy sex in be smitten in like then have it fizzle out. That's what they're asking you to find. Their asked me to find companionship. Is You. You'RE GONNA have to have a healthy relationship and that's really hard to do. Right, but it does seem like how much okay, so they say the match people up based on this data and chat. Do you think they really do that? Or you think they're like you good TV. We'll. We'll say yourself compatible based on all these factors like or do you think they're just like now I like. That one I'll push buttons. Let's do this isn't me funny? I think they do that for some people for sure. There's a specific couple I. DON'T WANNA like. But specific couple on the season that we just watched peop-. Butting heads all the time and I'm like yes. Yes Billy! Have you watched anything of note? I would watching floors lava. Floors lavas great show to. My mindless nine. And then the new unsolved mysteries. Unsolved mysteries. You know I really wish this is my like problem with unsolved mysteries is really wish they had a host. Yeah, you need. You need a new Robert Stack and. Who would that's a good question that we can end with WHO WOULD BE? A good. Robert Stack. See I, feel like they probably could have gotten and I. Don't know who's GonNa. Come to mind, but a podcast host true crime podcast hosts would be really good. But I don't know which one. But they need it like that's the thing with unsolved mysteries. It was done really well, but nothing is setting that apart from any other true crime show. That's I agree I agree. The only thing that setting it apart is the paranormal ufo type stuff. That's the only thing that it's. That's making a difference I. Think it's done well so well yet, but it's it's not and obviously the reach is huge, and they're going to get a response for the the unsolved crimes which I love, but it's not breaking any new boundaries, and potentially could have, but they were just like nobody can replace Roberts stacks or does not going to do it. I was also interested. I would have thought that because I've only watched three of the episodes, but one of them. That I watched was the UFO on which happened in like the sixties I think. And I would have assumed that if they're going to do unsolved mysteries way that they did it back in the day where they wanted like crowd source things to solve cases. podcast other pastas that it would be more current cases. Yes I am now you're saying. Because that was so long ago that like what new information could you possibly get about this Ufo? Citing in the sixties I, hear you. But I haven't seen it yet, so I didn't chairman. It's really good is just again. It's like it's missing the unsolved mysteries. -Ness of the past right and that's what needs. You know all right. Let's call this. Time of Death Fifteen O eight. People.
Wednesday, April 1, 2020
"Spending more time inside and alone than usual talks base online therapy can help you find the support and guidance. You need to feel less alone. Get One hundred dollars off your first month with Promo Code Column at Talks Base Dot Com or download the APP that's Promo Code Com at talks base DOT COM. He's an ABC news special. Covert Nineteenth. What you need to know here is. Abc News correspondent Aaron Katersky as a second month of Corona virus crisis begins to the United States. We ARE CONFRONTING MORE STAGGERING. Numbers top government. Scientists have braced Americans for a death toll from corona virus that could exceed two hundred thousand and the Labor Department is about to release the number of jobless claims. That could be double last weeks. Total three million but as numbers climb and cases mount there is still so much we do not understand the very basic question. Should all Americans were a mask? Lingers unanswered as the Centers for disease control considered recommending more widespread use DACA Della Tagore from Johns Hopkins and the ABC News. Medical unit is with us now. At first we were told masks. Were only for health workers now federal guidelines. May Change. What's best so with masks? We have a lot of different information coming in the masks. That healthcare workers are advised to wear R. N. Ninety five respirators. These were special mass. That require fit testing. They're specially size to fit and form a tight seal for the healthcare workers face and it keeps out ninety five percent of particles. Now these mass are really about keeping The virus away from the healthcare workers so keeping it out whereas the masks that people might be wearing or what the government might be suggesting would really be to keep particles in and I think the message. There is important but we have to remember that. There's a shortage of masks and availability is low. We don't have three hundred thirty million as extra masks for people to wear every day so if a decision like that is made we need to be mindful that healthcare workers and people who were on the front lines in the grocery stores and all these other places where they really still do need the masks. We need to make sure that they have them first. Does this speak to a new understanding of how Corona virus spreads or? Is this a nod to not? Everyone is social socially distancing and so therefore let's put a mask on everybody to to keep their spittle inside well as afraid now. There hasn't been enough data to change the status of the virus. I know there's a lot of speculation and a lot of concerns that this is potentially airborne but from what we understand. Now it's actually just that the virus stays in the air. I mean we do spit. There are particles that leave our mouth especially as we've seen in all those images of projectile sneezing and coughing so the virus is in the air. But that doesn't make it airborne per se and so it's not changing the status of the virus. It's just changing how we're trying to be cautious and the precautions that we can take right so far. There's no indication this is like the measles. No not not from what we understand yet. There's some indication that men should be shaving in order to get their mask to fit properly. I know this is the case for a gas mask for a soldier in in wartime what about healthcare. That's right so with soldiers at war and now our hospital workers who are also soldiers at a different kind of war. They really do need to be fit tested. These ninety five respirators are really designed to be well adjusted to your face and so for men. there's this info-graphic that the CDC published a few years ago now that was unrelated to covert. But it's still talked about how to best get a fit for an ninety five respirator and for most men. It does require or for most individuals it does require a shave or at least to keep facial hair within the confines of the mask. So that it doesn't break the seal Have shown that even stubble or just even a five o'clock shadow can affect that seal. And that you really need a close shave. We've talked about masks in terms of shortages of personal protective gear along with ventilators and drugs and now we are learning about a shortage of oxygen because of all the people that need to be into baited. Who are coming into hospitals with corona virus. What's that about? So some hospitals are experiencing drastic patient surges dacoven nineteen and it's leading to a greater need for ventilators in ICU. Beds the they may have typically seen well. Those ventilators need pressurized oxygen to work and with patients staying on events for extended periods of time. Oxygen can't afford to run out fortunately for now some. Us manufacturers of oxygen seem assured that they can keep up with the demand but the hospitals that are expressing concerns will need to get more support and fast documenta Tagore from Johns Hopkins and the ABC News Medical Unit. We are all looking for more answers to nagging questions about this virus. How bad will this get? How long will I live like this? Researchers are now racing to help answer those questions. We're joined from the Mount Sinai Health System by Paul O'Reilly. He's part of a team of scientists behind a brand new APP meant to capture the symptoms and spread of covert nineteen in New York City. The hardest hit areas of the country professor. O'reilly thanks for joining us. What are you trying to do here to fight this virus? We need to understand it and we need to understand that in New York City so far I'm mation about covered comes from Europe and China in New York City. Our information comes from hospitals and from tests but we know that isn't the full picture so at Mount Sinai. We've created the. Stop Covet New York City. Study to collect real time health information across the city not only to give people some understanding about. Who's around them but to give doctors and understanding of how it spreads that's right. Yeah so we're trying to picture full picture of a healthy and whose gang symptoms of the virus across the city in all different areas. That could potentially help us. Find hotspots is a particular spread of the virus. This could help hospitals doctors and nurses and researchers be one step ahead of Covet. They've had some success with this. In South Korea I think right in tracing the progression of the virus so in South Korea. They're gonNA huge amount of testing and that tracing has been based on those tests and the results from those tests in New York. We've done a lot of testing but still the vast majority of people across New York have not been tested and so the point of this study is to collect information on all the rest of people across the communities in New York. Not just those that have been tested or the hospitals and so for this to work. We really need everyone healthy and sick with a without a confirmed test result to take part in this study right. So what do you want people to do? People can be part of this study by texting covered texting the word covet to six four seven two too when they text that they'll get a link and from that they can go onto a Web. App and complete information. And you really do need everybody to actually do this right in order to to do this. Well yeah the more people that we got the clear on the picture will become so we need healthy people people who are just starting to get sick from the virus those who've had the virus we need everyone the more people we get clear that it's going to be and so really. This whole study is about new. Yorkers for New Yorkers it's almost like a census for Corona virus you can call it that yeah it pretty much is so once you participate in once you start collecting the data. What is it that you do with it? And how might it be useful to healthcare providers? There are two main ways that we think this can be important. The first way to get a picture of which areas maybe hot spots for the outbreak across the city. And which not that could potentially be used to be one step ahead of the virus. The second main goal is to find out factors that might increase people's risk or might protect them from the virus in New York City in particular. That's interesting probably key right because so far. Many of our assumptions about corona virus have come out of China. That's exactly right. That's exactly right and some of those will be relevant for New York and some of those monthly and so we want to get a really clear picture of what the important factors are in New York City and just to be clear Paul. We're talking about this as tracing but we don't want anyone to get the wrong idea. You're not doing individual tracing or surveillance right. One aren't is a one time. Only survey web people provide the general health information. The other part is daily survey a very very short daddy survey just with a few questions. That will data's on whether people are still healthy or starting to get some of the symptoms of the virus or the symptoms that are not relevant. We really need to know about everyone whether they're healthy or not. Every day if possible it is so important in a crucial tool as the city and the country battle this virus Paul Riley from the Mount Sinai health system. Don't forget to text Cova two six four seven two two coming up my colleague. Amy Rohbock and our chief. Medical correspondent Dr Jennifer Ashton. I'm Aaron Katersky. You're listening to ABC News Special. You're listening to ABC News Special. Kobe nineteen what you need to know. Here's ABC News correspondent any robot with me as ABC's chief medical correspondent. Dr Jen Ashton. Dr Jen. There is a lot of conflicting information out there surrounding this virus so we want to start off getting some facts straight clearing up some confusion so let's begin with what we know about. Covert one thousand nine hundred rate and amy since the beginning. We've been saying that it's so important in medicine and science to say what you know and say. Well you don't know and we learn things all the time so just because we didn't know something yesterday doesn't mean we won't know it today or evolve our thinking so with what we know. We know that Corona viruses or their family that are responsible for causing up to thirty percent of common colds worldwide. So you and I have had one in our lifetimes. can also cause infections in the lungs the GI tract and they can infect the heart so that's important to understand this strain is new. That's why it's getting so much attention and there's so much we don't know about this particular strain and then testing. We know that a lot of tests are being done but we also know that the time to get those results can range anywhere from five minutes most recently to over ten days so a huge range all right and then Dr Jen. There is new information about this virus coming in daily. So what are some of the things we think we know about Cova Nineteen? We'll just released in the last day or two big study in the Lancet based on Chinese data and the CDC director echoed this that that seems to suggest that up to twenty five percent of people infected with this virus have no symptoms at all. We also think based on published data that eighty percent of all cases are mild. That's obviously really good. News and again. Based on published data small reports the average incubation period is five days and I want to underscore as we learn more and we have many many more patients to study. These numbers might change. But that's what we think we know at this point. Thank you so much Dr Jen. We will be back with you later and we will keep giving you all at home reliable information every day we turn now to. Abc's Kiro Phillips who's in Washington DC with all the latest headlines for us. I mean let's get to some of the developments that there were watching for you right now. The US is receiving help from some global humanitarian efforts. A plane from Shanghai is bringing one hundred tonnes of personal protection equipment to Ohio now. Taiwan is also donating ten million facemasks around the world and a Russian plane carrying medical supplies. Also arriving in the US today after the administration said Vladimir Putin had offered to help and here at home NBA players who have beaten Kobe. Nineteen are trying to help others avoid it. At least four players are donating blood for an experimental treatment that uses antibodies to help curb the virus in sick patients. And it's April first and the rent is due however the downturn in our economy right now is going to make that difficult for a lot of people. The New York Times is reporting that landlords in New York City estimate perhaps as many as forty percent of tenants may possibly miss their payments. This past weekend we saw a small slowdown in the growth rate of corona virus in the New Orleans area yet the number of covert nineteen cases for the rest of Louisiana are accelerating viruses now been detected in sixty of the sixty four parishes and here to discuss this. Louisiana's Lieutenant Governor Billy. None guests welcome Lieutenant Governor and Can we start off by just talking about this rise in cases across assertive Louisiana? Where are you right now? Well we've seen a large increase in the last twenty. Four hours of those numbers are staggering and Looks like there's no end in sight and if these numbers continue We will be maxed out at hospitals at ventilators about the end of the weekend and So it's a critical situation and we're still having people not he warns. Yeah no I mean I was going to ask you about social distancing. How do you feel like your state has complied with that? Well you know for the most part most of the people are but people that are not I understand. The past that was arrested held church again last night a defying. The governor's orders which is just unthinkable. Irresponsible will work in a crisis situation. Here in Louisiana. You know the death count went up Tremendously to two hundred thirty nine from one eighty five and it's twenty four period of this is serious and everyone needs to take it very serious and you mentioned your fear about running out of life saving devices like ventilators are. Where are you in other supplies? And what are you doing in terms of getting that support that you so badly mean well? The governor's team is working on getting it from anywhere we can. He did receive a call from the vice president that they're sending a hundred and fifty to We need many more than that. And hopefully We'll be able to slow the spread and keep up with it but it is a critical situation and Like I said if things continue on the path. They're on now. We will be matching out our capability of caring for people here By the end of the weekend now I know that twenty twenty is hindsight as they say but you know that people have been very critical of the fact that Mardi Gras was not cancelled earlier and that may be a big contributing factor to the spread. We're seeing there in your state. What are your thoughts about that? It absolutely was you know. I'm sure it was here. I'm sure lots of people that came in from all over the world and I'll take as much responsibility as any elected official but remember on during Mardi gras there were only fifteen cases in the United States and hindsight is always good to look back but but it was hard to imagine canceling that event with weeded. Know How serious are quick? This thing was escalate and I bet it gets quickly and now we do know. And so what is your message to the people of your state. Lieutenant Governor was is. Please stay home you know. Having across his all twenty people in your backyard is not staying at home. A Don't invite friends in people over. We need to stay home and with your family. And if you've gotta go out make sure you wash hands. Keep that distance. If everyone good participate. We're not gonNA see this thing over anytime soon and as many states and Louisiana. It's worse by the day. We now you have such a busy and crucial job Certainly in the weeks and months ahead. So thank you for your time with us today. Lieutenant Governor Billy Nanga Sir. Thanks so much for being with us today. Thank you over the last few weeks. We have all become vigilant about keeping everything clean to avoid cove in nineteen contamination. Just how should we be handling grocery shopping and all those takeout deliveries and keeping our tech? Squeaky clean well. Here's some timely. Tips from a very smart source is ABC News Contributor Becky Worley thanks for being with us. Becky and I know that we're all being extra careful when we are at the grocery store but some discrepancies as what we should do with groceries when we get them home. What do you say? We spoke with a researcher who studies viruses Cova Nineteen and asked her how she grocery shops. She's very careful about person to person contact in the store but once she gets her groceries home. She doesn't do anything really differently than she normally does. She puts them away. She washes her produce and then she washes her hands. It's all about hot hand hygiene to her. Many of us also want to try and support our local restaurants by ordering take out or delivery. What precautions should we be taking with that? The great news is that most of the delivery APPs have put contact list delivery as an option. Now you can put the tip right into the APP so you never have to open the door. The person leaves the food for you at the front of the door. Then you tip them in the APP. You pull the bags in you. Remove the food from the takeout containers. Put them in your own dishes. Throw the takeout dishes that containers that they came in away and washers fans. It's GONNA turn into drinking game. I think it's all about the hand. Wash wash them often as often as and as much as you possibly can and we are all touching our cellphones multiple times a day. I think it's my hardest thing because if you touch something you wash your hands. You're like wait. Did I touch myself before I washed my hands? So how do we keep them as clean as possible? How often should we be cleaning them? Well cleaning your phone is really a lot like cleaning your hands if you've touched the phone with dirty hands so what. The new guidance from apple is is to use. Something like a clorox disinfectant wipe. That's perfectly fine on your phone. If you don't have that. A seventy percent ISOPROPYL alcohol wipe or spring a little bit of that onto a cloth and wiping it down. I'm actually saving all the ISOPROPYL alcohol in our house for phones because it probably is something. You WanNA clean two three times a day. If you're going out or receiving things from the outside Becky as always thanks so much for joining us today pleasure and when we come back Dr Jen Ashton with more key clear information the answers to questions from you and your families and then carrying with caution how to be useful in kind with loved ones. Who are ill or fearful and at the same time? Keep your distance. Nbc News Special Continues. After this life feels more stressful. These days stores are empty. Travel is on pause. Work is uncertain with social distancing. We need support now more than ever talk. Space Online. Therapy gives you the support. You deserve on a schedule that works for you. We all need to talk through. Life's challenges talks. Base offers is support. We deserve at a price. We can afford match with your perfect therapist and get one hundred dollars off your first month with Promo Code Com sign up talks base dot com or download. The APP don't forget to use Promo Code. Comb for one hundred dollars off your first month. You're listening to win. Abc News Special. Kobe nineteen what you need to know once again. Here's ABC News correspondent any robot. We turn now to Dr Jen Ashton. So Dr John. We know we're always learning new things from you about this outbreak. So we'll get straight to the questions. These are some good ones here. The first one I have to direct contact supervisors who are out sick and waiting on their test results since. Both of them have had direct face-to-face contact with the staff if they test positive should our entire division going to quarantine. That is such a hard question. Amy Because again we have to look at the impact. That has on the workforce. The short answer is yes but it also depends on the type of contact that people had with these possibly confirmed cases. Generally the numbers that are important are closer than six feet more than ten minutes of time. So if you're in one of those categories and you're you've had that contact with someone who tests positive. Yes the recommendations are self quarantine at home for fourteen days. Meaning you stay away from people you don't go in or out and the next question. This is a big concern for people who have to go to work. I just started a job at the local hospital switchboard. Our office is in the emergency department. I have Severe Asthma. And a little weary. What can I do to protect myself even more so a couple of things number one for this particular question? That's a person who should talk to their healthcare provider and talk about whether or not wearing an N. Ninety five mask because they are in direct patient vicinity would be appropriate but again the idea is wipe down the surfaces. Try to keep at least six feet of distance between you and your co workers. That's the best we can do right now. All right Dr Jen. We've been talking about the blood shortage in our nation right now. The next question. Is it safe to donate blood? I would like to but am hesitant as I want to know how I am protected should I be concerned so no and it is more important than ever to see about the American Red Cross or local blood drives in your area because the donations have taken a dip and that is critically important for all of us. The American Red Cross is taking so many extra precautions with people who are donating blood so I would feel totally safe in doing so and Kudos to that person for thinking of others certainly. We need their help. All right our next question both my mom and I have been in self isolation for fourteen days and neither of us have symptoms of Cova Nineteen. Can I visit her now without the worry of passing along the virus? Probably the answer is yes but here comes the big but it depends on whether both of those people have been absolutely meticulous with their isolation in other words have either of them come into contact with anyone else even going out to get groceries during the last fourteen day period. If the answer is yes you can't say the risk zero and even now I would still try to keep as much distance as possible when you're visiting someone I know. It's so hard. Everyone just wants to be with their family. And sometimes you just have to be better safe than sorry. All right Dr Jen. Thank you so much as always and you can submit your questions to Dr Ashton on her instagram at. Dr. J. Ashton social distancing has become crucial to helping slow down the spread of the corona virus. But for many keeping physical distance has left US questioning how we can be a caregiver helping US navigate how to support our loved ones during this pandemic psychiatrist. Dr Janet Taylor Dr Taylor. Thanks so much for being with us and we know that everyone is feeling isolated especially those who are sick whether it's covert related or not. So how can you be a caregiver in this altered age where you can't physically be next to someone who needs that care so care? Giving and the age of Corona is certainly a challenge but it doesn't change the essence of caregivers and that essence is about caring and comfort and managing the support so use technology to convey. What how you're feeling. Ask if the person you're taking care of what they need also don't be afraid to ask what they need. You don't just assume and then get help if you need it but caring for someone is not certainly going to be ever broken by what. Cova nineteen is doing. Yeah everyone needs that emotional support during these times as well. Is there anything that CARE should avoid doing? During this time what we know caregivers have some of the largest and highest number of stress even pre Cova nineteen so my advice security of your certainly take care of yourselves. Which means practice social distancing washing your hands not being around someone. If you're sick make sure that you go to your own doctor's appointments and certainly use this time to learn to balance dress because caregiving is inherently stressful. Dr Taylor we have just been seeing and hearing these heartbreaking stories about people who are so critically ill there in the hospital and then they can't have any visitors when they're probably at their most physical and emotional vulnerable Moment in their lives. How do you support that person and support their loved? Who have all this fear but can't be there in person to help the patient. Well it is devastating when you hear the stories but you have to trust the process and no evidence by the dedicated people. We have on the front line of as our healthcare providers. They are taking great care of your loved ones while they're in the hospital. But certainly if you have an opportunity maybe consent in pictures at or something plastic that can be wiped down. Perhaps you can take your loved ones favorite songs and ask the nurses or staff to let them listen to it and write cards and ask the staff to read them to them. So certainly your loved ones. Know that you care about them tremendously. Yeah you can get a little creative. In these moments. And worst case scenario there are many people out there who are truly suffering because their loved ones passed away and then they can gather together to mourn their loved ones. So what can we do to help ourselves and others in this very unfortunate situation? Will I acknowledge your pain and grief and give yourself a break in terms of how long that grief can last? I mean we're losing a lot of things not in addition to the physical aspect of someone but jobs relationships. A lot of things are changing but know that when someone passes away one of the best things you can do is establish their significant. And you don't need a funeral to do that. You can light a candle Rita car. Think about that person but do whatever you need to make yourself feel better about the relationship and know that as time goes on not giving yourself a limit on time one day you will feel better. And then just speaking in general terms We're here really pretty much surrounded with nonstop uncertainty and anxiety what can be the takeaway from all of this well. The takeaway is that there is positive psychological growth at happens when we either encounter trauma or survive it and some of those factors are that we have an improved sense of relationships with others. We have more love and kindness. We point to relationships and I think people spending time together most of them are are really reestablishing those bonds with their families we have an openness to what are possibilities are so we get more creative. We recognize that we have inner strength and we are more spiritual and lastly we really pay attention to being mindful and see the beauty and significance of the day to day so for all those those aspects that we can learn if we pay attention and not get so focused on doomed but really look at our own inner purpose and find ways to explore and expand that Dr Janet. Taylor thank you so much. We really appreciate your guidance coming up next here on what you need to know the helping hand from a comfort food king and the beloved institution and characters that have taught America's children for decades now coming to parents rescue in this pandemic stay with us. You're listening to ABC News Special Copay. Nineteen what you need to know once again here is. Abc News correspondent any robot and welcome back one of the industries hardest hit by the corona virus. Pandemic has been the restaurant business. It's Ben predicted that over the next three months. Five to seven million restaurants service and kitchen jobs could be eliminated in response renowned chef and restaurant. Tour Guy Fieri has partnered with the National Restaurant Association Education Foundation to help launch the restaurant Employee Relief Fund. The fund aims to send cash grants to restaurant workers impacted by the Cova nineteen crisis and here to discuss it with us is Guy Fieri himself. Thank you so much for being with us. I WANNA ask how you're doing. What your day to. Day Life like right now. I'm doing fine. Thank you and I hope you are as well with my family which is most important and just about all my friends and family. I have cousins in Rome. That are going through a tough time of course so just Just very fortunate to be. You know where. We are in lockdown safe. Yeah no I hear you and we just the numbers we just gave some of what people are predicting. It's just staggering. Can you give us some real insight into the state of the restaurant industry right now? You're right on with it. I mean we've got tens of thousands of restaurants that closing some for short period of time in some probably forever. We've got millions millions of restaurant employees. That are without jobs. And I mean we're at three million now and estimations. This could go to five to seven million you talking about a lot of families. You're talking about a lot of hourly employees. You're talking about people living paycheck to paycheck. These this is this is some desperate times and and that's why it's so great. Got Together with the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation because they have the The program inside of the organization to receive donations and help get that money out to those that. Need it and right now. We are making some great headway. Were almost just at the point of reaching ten million dollars and on our goal of one hundred million but the opportunity to help those that have been serving. Us forever is is amazing. No it is incredible indeed so this restaurant employee relief fund. How will it operate well when this idea I started we were talking about? Just doing it with the California Restaurant Association. Great Giacobbi news the president there and then it just developed into this program of going nationwide and of course the National Restaurant Association was awesome to just jump in and say listen. We have the Educational Foundation. We're used to giving out money and helping with scholarships and so forth we can handle this volume. We're talking big volume and big money. Five hundred dollars for employee until the program will open up. Our website is R. E. R. F. DOT U S as a great place to make donations also place to get information about receiving grants and five hundred dollars to Soviet has no money ten dollars. Something that has no money goes a long way and it's not just the money you guys. It's really it's also that comfort. It's also the recognition that your community that you've been serving for years and years in this industry is now giving you the support because restaurants have been there for US. Rapper right and our milestones are events are are fundraisings. It was always the restaurant. Now is a great time to to help out. The great thing is is the National Restaurant Association. Educational Foundation is ready to go and get that money out guy. You've been in the restaurant industry for years and years. What are your hopes for a full recovering when we're through with this virus? Well I've been in the restaurant industry my whole life and I know how important it is not just for people to eat. But it's a social place. It's a gathering place where we celebrate milestones. And I'll tell you what's going to happen or what. I what I hope will happen. Is Everybody remembers their favorite restaurant favorite chef and their favorite server and bartender. And you name it and when this wraps up when we're done with this and we've got a long road of course but when it happens please go back out and visit your favorite restaurants. Don't eat out once next. You know this this coming week. Eat OUT TEN TIMES. Get to go buy gift certificates because if you want to talk about a group in an industry that really needs support. It's the it's the restaurant folks again. Our E R S dot. Us A great website to visit. And you get all the Info you need. I loved Guy Fieri. Thank you for all you are doing and giving back and of course we can do our part as well. Thanks for being with us today. We wish you the very best. You guys are awesome. Thanks for keep up all the information. Thank you very much and speaking of information. Let's go to Dr John Ashton for her final thoughts today. Jen Amy. I just read something fascinating. That just came out online and scientific American and it's about how this global shutdown has affected the seismic noise that Geo scientists are able to detect. They I notice this in Belgium and that this quiet from the seismic standpoint is actually making it more possible to detect things like earthquake so the metaphor is so powerful right at this time where everyone is sheltering in place staying home trying to protect others. That quiet is actually enabling us to hear things that sometimes we can't hear so to me. That's the perfect segue into just the reminder that the chain is only as strong as the weakest link we all have to take these steps now and maybe for a month or more to really make a dent in how this virus is spreading. And I do think that human nature and action is incredibly powerful. So my hope is that we can do it. Powerful and beautiful. Dr Jen Ashton. Thank you so much and when we come back teaching little ones crucial information about staying healthy and safe with a little help from some familiar friends like Abbie Cadaver. Hi. It's Leigh Happy and I'm going to talk to amy about all the things. We're doing what we're staying home on. Sesame Street Patty you're listening to. Abc News Special. Kobe nineteen what you need to know. Swazi Watch Watch. Watch my welcome back. That was L. O. From Sesame Street teaching kids how to wash their hands in order to stay safe during this pandemic. This is just one of the new videos released by sesame workshop under their new initiative. Care for each other. We're going to check in with Dr Rosemary. Trujillo from sesame workshop. Thanks for being with us. Rose Marie and we love to start with some of the new content that you are releasing because you're approaching this crisis thankfully in a kid friendly way so we can help kids and parents understand what's going on so talk about these videos that feature all of the muppets. Yes yes and Sesame Street has always been a long history of providing comfort and support to children families during Difficult Times. And we're all adjusting to this new for now normal so we put together content. That will help children and families. The content is on our website and it guides parents in terms of how to comfort themselves so that they could be there for their children as Lola's some playful learning activities to create a structure for the. Yeah I mean. It's certainly helpful for kids to see that. Even their favorite characters are video conferencing and can't be with each other and that makes them feel like they're not alone and parents are struggling now not just a parent but to be caregivers and teachers all while they're trying to work from home so talk about some of the resources you've made to h- to supplement what we're trying to do with our children really. Are there for the parents because this is a difficult time Parents are children's first learns. But they're not educators in so There's a lot of pressure and stress on parents and so one of the things. We're trying to emphasize is flexibility. We know that children need routine in structure but we wanNA remind parents that they can get those learning lessons in these everyday moments so while we're making meals on while we're getting ready for bed bath time these are all everyday learning moments. And so that's what we're trying to provide is to provide these tips and resources so that we're integrating these lessons and not saying okay. Now this is reading time or this is science that makes a lot of sense. Any final advice for parents out there about how they can best serve their children. Well I think what's important is that there's always a silver lining here with children love to have this time with parents and so we need to be mindful of these moments and so one of the things that were emphasizing on a website are how you can spend time together and go back to those days of maybe nestling on the couch watching sesame street and having these extended learning moments after viewing it. It is a beautiful thing. Time has certainly slowed down for a lot of us and if we can take advantage of it it can be something that we all remember in a fond way with our families and I know you're helping with that so much Dr Rosemary. Truly thank you so much. 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The mindset you need for a truly magnificent life | Knowing the gift of grace
"Expand your world realize every challenge that's ever been brought to me has has made me more. I've become more so I can serve more so I can enjoy more. That's why we're here in this life bring more good more great the bring insight like to bring strength to bring action. That's why we're here. Welcome to the Tony Robbins podcast. You're listening to an episode. That's part of a special season Dan on contribution called force for good. We're exploring the ten gifts of life. Emotion drive growth joy gratitude connection action consciousness grace presence and forgiveness. You'll hear an explanation of each gift and stories of true heroes that illustrate how the show up in real life in this episode. We have the honor of hearing from both siege. And Tony Robbins on the power of grace. What Greece means how? It manifests itself in our lives and end the perspective of a special guest their close friend Michael Singer author of the untethered soul. Here's sage Robbins. Welcome back everyone. The gifts this week that we're going to be sharing the gift of grace truly say. I didn't recognize Chris at the same level until this chapter stage of my life. I've just slowed down more aware and I'm just more weight to the miracle and preciousness of life I find that just the more spontaneously end instinctually that I experienced life rather than more preplanned and and always thinking ahead and wanting to control a situation the more that I allow myself to flow and be intuitive. The more that I experienced grace sends Casey but even every morning at the stage age. I just feel like I wake up and say wow got another day of life thank you. Thank you for beating my heart. Thank you for this beautiful day. Thank you for my family. In that state of gratitude I experienced grace and as I notice it and as I'm aware of it I just find like life cultivates it in its cultivated by awareness and gratitude of the state that we don't do anything we wake up in the morning our heartbeats on its own. That's grace really if you think of it. It's the visible force that connects nexus all or. That's the fabric of existence. It's like a web of benevolence that is invisible but it weaves are precious life together moment by moment human the human heart to heart. It's just all the intangibles it's that state of existence that invokes on wonder and it's my experience if I'm stuck. State era finds fighting with reality or I believe that the circumstances are unfair unjust in that state. I miss the beauty. And I miss the magnitude of Grayson Jason. So we're struggling with life. If we're feeling divided we miss being gracious to ourselves. We miss being kind and gracious to each other for those of you. Who who feel like grace's an intangible share a couple of by simple moments that I feel grace on a daily basis if I see any of my loved ones laughing so hard that they you know? We'll have tears rolling down their face. It feels like a grace filled moment. You Know I. I have the privilege to witness their joy and witness their love and I don't even have to be involved just actually witnessing and experiencing that level of joy it moves me decrease. My family always tell you because I'm an obsessed animal lover so I can be watching out the window outside in nature and if I see a little squirrel gathering it's goodies and building a nest. I can watch that little fellow for hours I I just I feel grace. I'm doing nothing besides just witnessing the beauty of nature and I remember a moment this summer we were all sitting sitting out on the patio and my mom said Penny Shas look at the clouds and all of us you know. Stop what we're doing and we stayed up at the sky and grace connected our hearts in in that moment you know we all witnessed just the beauty of nature and life. These clouds moving by and never forget that moment honestly I've it's lingered in Being and that was grace we have a little pup renames halo in in the morning. Show get into a toy box and actually get right inside of it and she'll old like self. Select your favorite story of the day. And she has this whole little thing that show go out and she's trying to hide this little toy this little chicken. She loves little chicken and she'll dig in the couch in Joe Flip it in the air and just utter joy for this little toy and just her playfulness and spontaneous nature. I feel Great Scifo Grace in that moment and grace has experienced almost think of like a simple definition is it sacred perfection of life that exists with her without me. Tony and I went to India India and our family. We went to Air Nacional. And it's just incredible. It's almost like this explosion of humans in different faced all coming together all come into the Ganges and we're standing on the side of this river and all this life happening in the fastest most verse way almost felt like I was bended on another planet and I felt so small and I felt so beautifully in significant because all of this is happening with or without me I just felt like such all once again in grace that I got to be a part of it I got to witness it. The Gift of grace in sometimes missed. You know it's missed if we're conflicted. It's missed if we're divided. It's Mr for judging. It's mischief Mr for blaming and this holiday season be blessed with the gift of grace and allowing yourself just to slow down and notice to the little miracles around in smiler and laughter and the sense of walking in and smelling whatever's cooking on the stove or the music playing or the dog. That's barking or whatever's is happening. Just slow down and notice the miracle of existence of itself. That's the gift of grace. God bless everyone and have a beautiful beautiful holiday season. One of Tony's dearest most respected friends is Michael Singer the author of the untethered soul and the surrender experiment. Listen as Michael Explains how Greece is the one thing that transcends human concepts and how it shows up everywhere uh especially when you're not looking for it. Let's talk about grace as people have misunderstanding. Really of what. True Gracious Grace's nestling. You've earned Grayson us on its reward or that you even prayer asks for is a gift. That's much purer than that. Grace is something that's given for absolutely no reason you don't earn you deserve it. It falls upon good people and bad people has nothing to do with. Your Okarma has nothing to do with your past actions. It's not like that graces the one thing that transcends all of our human way of thinking about about things that people are good get good things and people that are bad. Good bad things. Grace goes past. All of that grace is something that exists in the universe verse because it's just the nature of the universe. The Universe is made of grace as what it is. It's not a reward. It's something that exists that is given to you for no reason. You know. Thank you and you can't do anything to bring it to yourself. So for example. If it's hot out one day and you feel a gentle breeze blow across your face it feels good. It's refreshing as grace. You did nothing to deserve that it blows across the face of good people and bad people rich people poor people anyone any worse and you don't know thank you. Don't even think of saying thank you. You just accept that. There's something beautiful in this universe called a gentle breeze and it falls equally upon all beings that's easy to see in the sense of a breeze but it's much much bigger because then that way do you see how big it is so for example. I'm told you have twenty four trillion living cells that make up your body. Your body's it's pretty important to you. I don't think he'd like to not have one as you go through your life on earth it allows you to do. So what did you do to deserve that. Twenty four trillion cells. Wake up and stay away. Give when you sleep all day and do their thing liver cells fleeing cells kidney cells. They're working constantly communicating with each other living cells. And they have to work together to give you the gift of this body. This body is grace. You do. Do not do anything to deserve it. You do not do anything to make these things happen. You don't ever say thank you. You should be able to say thank you to your liver your kidneys spleen pinal gland if even know where it is but they let you have the gift of life they let you have the gift of experience. That's grace the earth itself. You did nothing to put yourself on this planet you could be. Moore's it could be anywhere in the universe all kinds of things exist of which you don't deserve it or not deserve servette. It's just a complete gift of grace that is given to you. The problem is we don't see grace. Why because we develop up within our minds concepts and views about what we want and we consider grace we limited to only when suddenly we get what we want if we work to get what we want and we get it? We don't because of that. Grace we see I did it. The you go so big. Who did that? I deserve that right but if somehow something we want comes unexpected expected. We say it's grace. I hope you're seeing grace's way bigger than that. You didn't do any of these things even your mind and your heart you do the make a a heart that feels. It didn't make a harvest capable of feeling love or sorrow or anything. It's a gift that was given to just grace your mind. Everybody everybody so proud of their minds. They do so much with their mind. What if your mind didn't think what if a thoughts didn't come what if memory didn't work you know what to do? You can't do anything. It's it's grace the fact that you have a mine that can think and dig up the earth and make all these products and bill rocket ships and fly to the moon and build a handheld computers computers and so on the fact that the mind is capable of that is not something you did. You may have learned something but it's only as your mind is capable of learning the whole all university live in is grace. It was just given to you and we don't appreciate it. We think that grace only exists this when we're trying to get something and we didn't think we'd be able to suddenly happens. We can't explain how. Oh my God that was an act of grace. It's so much bigger acres in that. Eventually if you look properly from a distance to step back from your ego you will realize that the very fact that you have a mind that can think you. You didn't earn net. Has that given beans have brilliant minds all of them. It binds phenomenal and the same thing with the feelings of the heart. And with the fact you too have a body and the fact that you're on the planet Earth where they're all of these things. The trees flowers the fact that it rains so that it can water the trees and take care of the forest forest all of this as grace. It's all grace the real gift of grace when you stop that little way of thinking and you start appreciating the only answer to grace was gratitude You're listening to the force for good season in the Tony Robbins podcast to learn more about the ten gifts that were featuring this holiday season including emotion drive growth joy Oy gratitude connection consciousness grace presence and forgiveness please visit. WWW DOT tony robbins dot com slash gifts G. I-if tes and to find Tony Robbins products and events. That can help you identify your gifts. Go to Tony. Robbins DOT COM Slash Shop S. H. O.. P. As you just heard from Michael Singer and siege Robbins grace is in every moment. It's like rain falling everywhere but we often hold up the umbrella Ella Ego to make sure we don't get wet but there are times when we need it most when we most need to put down the umbrella and just get soaked the story. You're you're about to hear is how Greece showed up in the life of a woman who was open to receiving it because as Tony says the more you acknowledge grace the more. It shows up John Ferris could have put a negative meaning on many things on her life things that were out of her control. But listen as we see how grace appears in the most unlikely of places Susan Times but always when your heart is open and your faith is strong. We're about to take you to date with destiny. You may have heard of it from Tony's documentary. I I am not your guru on Netflix. Destiny is an event where thousands of people not only make the decision to transform their lives. But do the hard work needed to make real lasting change. Here's my earliest memory was. I was young toddler. Maybe two or three. I was laying being on hard lor in a rural village in southern India on a straw mat and Cottam blanket covering me you around me as a straw walls of our little shock in a village where my my family members resided. My mother crawled out of the bed. Stood up covered me. She was troubled and I felt she was torn out of the love for her baby daughter. She had to make a choice of of keeping this blind girl who might never become anything more than playing in the dirt. Aw with badly deformed is not to marry not to bring a dowry not to bring pride or she could keep the child to God and take her to the streets where a police officer would find me and take me to the children's orphanage when Tony asked me to look into the the perspective of God I found God's truth in God's truth said the product of the sperm. Eh Guard. Not what you are to be a child for different family and so I'm sure God protected. My mother other comforted her while she had to make that choice to give me away and leave me me there on the bus stop while other children played in the schoolhouse behind me not wanting to eat around. Because I don't like waiting longhand being told to stay here. Wait for me. Wait till I come back for you. I decided I would explore my surroundings. I was so adventurous that I took steps away from the bus. Stop with the bench and decided to go back down the road to follow her. I heard a dog barking parking and that took me back to the bench where I scrambled up onto the top rail and I was screaming and crying and then a police officer found me Dan he asked me. What are you doing here? Why aren't you in school and I said Oh? Don't worry my mother's coming back for me. He said Sure Uh. He said they're on the bench with me and we talked for a while. And then I guess it was obvious. Those wise police officer new looking into my badly deformed is what was the truth but of course I didn't know my truth was my mother other was coming back for me a my father. God had me in his hands. The police officer took me to the orphanage and I came into Canada only because another child who has promised to. My parents was ill. Oh and for three times. She was denied entry into Canada. Because of her illness dysentery diarrhoea. Fever and the officials officials denying her entry because of her sickness and mummies. Sandra in the families for children or for niche presented presented me to Ronald Janet Farris and asked we had a new blind girl called Tanga Mani. who had arrived in in our orphanage? Would you like to take this child and bring her into your home because we know she is showing great promise here and she can can be successful given the right environment and my parents said we want our original daughter Rani and as soon as she is healthy enough to travel we want her on the first plane but we will take Tanga money and so so. I am Tango Mommy Long Time for me to accept that my i Father God had a plan for me. I always felt that I was abandoned and never good enough and out of my abandonment recognizing kick nizing. That God's grace is so huge in them where I am and because of what's happening it's all part of God's plan Edson folding all that joy knowing that what we call the band and was actually grace so often life to come up with the most painful meaning. 'cause it's painful in the moment we don't look at the full Stan of what those painful moments can create a greater beauty. That could ever happen without them. You've touched everyone today. Continue to other by the grace of God. That's what Hallelujah means and I used to do a program for fourteen days and nights called certification and one night towards the end we will go pick people off the street homeless people people in the worst shape and I would turn to teams in those days that were about twenty people and it's been about twelve days learning all these amazing skills nights. Say You have one hour to turn their life around and they would all start to fight. You're trying to do different techniques. Gradually they've merged and something beautiful happened. They'd Nellie James that person's life but to be changed as well but I would call the night. You have no problems problems because the people we brought on stage had real problems problems. Most people in this room have no matter how intense they are even though. Oh you think are life and death are usually preferences the problems that someone else would die for. Most of our worst problems would be somebody else's greatest Betas dream in most parts of the world. We lose track especially if you live in a modern Western culture we forget all the grace that around us take for granted the streets. We drive on that. We didn't pave. The books are read that someone else took years to condense the internet or the phone that connects us to the world instantly because someone created or the men and women who died to give us the freedom to make such choices we forget. Forget the power of one of our senses ability to actually hear what's not being said that's what real communication is they look and see all the colors. A friend without site is able to do that with insight you can feel her uh field and the ability to remember the truth that everything has ever happened in our lives has been a gift including the pain pain and it's our job to use it to make life better within us and all those we have the perfect touch. If you ever lose track just remember contrast asked the way to come back to reality contrast your life so much else going on this earth and your biggest problem. We'll have a new perspective. Active traffic seems like a problem to the car. Breaks down. Remember to break your ankle. You lose that relationship relationship with someone else. Your life is being threatened. What if everything was a gift? What if life was always happening for us and not to us? What if that was the truth and all we had to do is committed defying the beauty in each moment and a trust that there's a higher purpose percents all? We need to do our part but there is a higher purpose in that we can find with that life is magnificent and with that you with whatever resources we have from the dirt floor and the Straw. There's something greater than anything exterior in that is your spirit or your soul that. What is the higher emotions that are waiting for you to appreciate them and to express them to use them? Not just the be good but to do good whatever that means to you. Then that's when we rise that's when life is so meaningful it's not always happy but it can always be meaningful meaningful and meaningful better than happy. It's deeper head lasts more if you're happy all the time and that's all you have your face hurts. I'm sure you felt it. Life gives us variety. I'm grateful for the Sunshine and the clouds and the rain. I'm grateful for the good good times and the bad times. I'm grateful for the success and failure. I'm grateful for the mistakes. And the grace. I hope you are too Spanish Spanish for just one moment and make the sound of your gratitude to the sense of grace out briefing. That's ever happened in your life now naked now don salutes. As of this day says a new meeting maker one with better insights one that knows that memories only lasts from one perspective. Look at another perspective. They mean something else. A new set of values a new set of rules holds a new things. The move away from some new questions that bring new answers a life filled with a transformer form of emotion of appreciation gratitude. Love faith the courage to push through whatever seems like it's not that there is no limit of your life experience if you are completely obsessed. I totally focused if you taking massive action and getting better and better executing. There's only one more thing you need to get. Whatever you want Matt's grace some look some grace my call God? But there's no question in my life the graces there. It's those things that show up to guide you when you've done the first two steps and your intent is something larger than just yourself. That's when all of a sudden things are great. You can benefit but motive does matter or if you're trying to do something and support you but supports your family as well. It supports your community. It supports your country and supports the world. A different level of insight comes through you. That happens the thing called grace. I think the more you acknowledge grace. The more chose up somebody here to tell you what to believe spiritually. I don't believe in that. I believe you gotta figure out what you believe but if you think there is no such thing as grace or God or infinite intelligence or wherever the right words are few words can get in the way of what's real if you don't think there's it's kind of like saying the universe is the result of an explosion in a print factory it all just came together perfectly in sync by accident. I just don't personally subscribe to them because what what just know that. Those acknowledged that something is giving me the gift of life the more that you expect you. You just heard Tony Robbins. Explain how when you're serving something higher than yourself. That's when grace shows up and it's what pushes through the hardest times and it can bring you the clarity insight say you need to solve your hardest problems. Now we're going to hear from Janet Taylor. A mother of three whose eldest daughter has been struggling with mental health issues and addiction for the past seven years. She's now nineteen and living in a group home where Janet visits her with her two other children. But this is not what a story of desperation and grief. This is a story of strength and hope this is also a story of grace. I have three children and I always knew I wanted to have children. Avery was my first child beautiful. I remember when she was born. There was a long labor. She came out and she didn't even cry. So I'm freaking out as a mom. This child did not cry. What the heck's going on and the doctor told me later that she was just staring at him with this intensity like I got things? to-do avery growing up would probably been what we consider. Nowadays very hyper child and she was always the child. I had to keep my eye on out of all three. You're my amazing children for kindergarten. She was the spirit. Like that's how I look back at my daughter and through while the military school grades six. She really came into her own. This has child were to choose to school. This child did whatever she wanted to do. She was this ultimate little bubble of joy and hyper-ness and she was avery. It was amazing gene when she left great six there. Was this like powerful child. She's GonNa run the world. She had an amazing summer and she was going to integrate seven in high school. And looking back I can honestly say that summer. Her friend group started to change. She entered grade seven in this new high school. And she's all excited. She was still so that bubbly personality but school starts in September about November. This child was changing. It was still a semi warm at that time of year. Erin she's wearing sweatshirts and long pants and she was starting to wanted to hire hair and she was becoming really negative. She was pushing back her. Her taste in music started to change which is fine absolutely fine but a friend she was hanging around with. I'm like these aren't the same friends. This is a child who is really really good in school. She loves school. She loved connected with their teachers. She was joyous she liked writing and she really started to struggle with certain things that she was like mom. You don't understand me all this stuff going on. I can identify it. I don't understand why I'm hearing things. Why why life is getting really dark and shoe is just just changing and becoming more emotional and a fighter almost in a negative sense? It's incredible how quickly kids turn into teenagers majors. And while it's completely normal for there to be changes that are unsettling to parents lake new types of friends a change in music preference and how they dress. It's the psychological changes that the most difficult to understand. Janet didn't understand what was going on inside the head of her little girl. Every didn't understand either. Within months those psychological changes changes started having impact well beyond her choices enclosed music and France. Her grades started dropping or behavior. Got Worse she was stolen angry. Avery's feelings were so powerful that it was like an invisible force had taken her over taken over the family and then suddenly the invisible became visible in a picture that at first Janet couldn't even comprehend remember sitting upstairs in the front room at home and my son comes to me and he's crying and he's two years younger than his sister. He comes to me and he's crying. I'm like Oh my God what's going on. What's going on? He was devastated. He's holding his little the thing in front of me and there's a picture on it. He's like Mommy. What is this all I see is this? But it's like a bloody arm and I'm like what and it's like off his heart in it but it's been carved into this arm. My no idea what this was. I'm like what is this. He Goes Eve redid. This mom took this picture Richard. And I'm like I don't understand I don't understand that star. Go and see avery. And I'm like freaking out because I'm just not understanding what this is not processing processing now but I understood. Something was very wrong and she flipped she was throwing family. She was to the point of what I see. Now is very very violent episode. Her father and I were not together at the time. He's a social worker. So I call him on like this. What Michael found? This is what avery what what do we do in time stood still from that day for probably those four years. What Jinnah and rob experienced with their daughter? Avery is not a rare occurrence self harm and teenagers is shockingly common about eight percent or one in twelve. Teenagers have deliberately hurt themselves most often by cutting or burning their own flesh. Flash it can manifest lately as pointing out hair or a serious suicide attempts like swallowing pills trying to hang electrocute drown or suffocate themselves. Uh Psychiatrist believe that. This behavior is caused by the surge of hormones and unfamiliar emotions. Teenagers brains are just not mature enough to cope with and self harm can temporarily relieve that attention and numb or distract from their emotional pain in ninety percent of cases. Teenagers stopped doing it all on her own. But for many kids kids they need professional help so we took her to see the psychiatrist and she sat down and we had many sessions with her with avery on our own. This self-harm led to a lot of bad scenarios with over the counter medication and at home now. The suicidal ideas are coming in where I remember specifically one day. She took forty three tiles so within this year. She's now failing school. We come now into June July. The family is cracking. We are under such stress to keep her safe. The she's running the family and that's not fair. I was mad. There's definitely a level of anger. I do not ever WANNA see again. uh-huh I would get so angry at her out of sheer fear. I realize now that's sheer fear of losing my daughter. And how could she choose this. Why was she doing this to herself? I wish she hurting yourself but I love this child like how did she not see how much I loved her and I hated her all at the same point I wanted wanted her to survive. I I I I wanted to survive. Imagine yourself sitting in an emergency room. Doctor See looked out because she's overdose basically. She's high as a kite so I'm angry and I'm sitting. I'm being told that by need to go away. We're all set on top of that. My daughter has cut herself to the point. Now where one would sink. Think that this size of self harm would require stitches and the doctor comes in and says every stitches and I'm like cheese thirteen fourteen years old. She doesn't get to choose that you need to stitch that puppy up and he looks at me he goes. I'm speaking to your daughter and online. She's thirteen years old. I'm her mother. Stitcher pitcher up please. And he's like well your daughter's over the age of twelve. She gets to do this looking at the doctor. And I'm going to an oath to help her. I get ask to leave forcibly removed from this room and I'm sitting in the emergency room and I remember looking up at the sign that said UH seventy five percent of emergency room visits are for mental health and I began to cry in that moment and go my God and what have I done to my daughter. I'm stronger than this. You know I had this great family. Discreet upbringing wise. My daughter chosen drugs. Why didn't she know better? And I'm like Oh my God. I've left my daughter down. So that led me to this darkness of. Oh my God. I've got to do even more now to help her. This is my fault or living in a culture of blame and you and I have to ourselves from it blaming others bruce or blaming yourself never solves anything plus you judging chew soon what things mean. You don't know what it really means yet. So it's good to ask what else Kupa mean to follow through and find out where it is if you do you can have a very different experience of life. We're all GONNA face tragedies we're all gonNa face things that are incredibly painful. We're all GONNA face things. We can't control the secret. Is I find the beauty and the grace whatever life has offered us even if it's painful and if you yeah if you can find a beautiful state even in the middle of those situations will do that. I remember getting to the point where I wrote. My daughter's obituary for my own sake. Just in case one of those phone calls was GonNa be the phone call and there was a certain freedom to that and I believe that that moment opened me up to it realizing I had two other children and for years I had lost a little bit of sight of these children that were in the background still and then uneven me realize that implants or forgotten it had an oldest child but also forgot. I had these two other children and they needed me toast as much and in that moment I said Cajun if you get to control one thing for the rest of your life was that can be had. I said I'm going to step up as a mom and I'm going to be these children's mom all three of them. I realized I could take control of my own life. I had been listening to Tony's audios and CDs for twenty some odd years before that just in my life path and he was coming to New Jersey to do this. Up W so. New Jersey isn't very far from where I am in Ottawa Canada. And I'm like well I'm GonNa go see this man in person. I'm going to take control. From this point forward. I went to Newark in two thousand seventeen and I did unleash the power within with fourteen thousand or so other amazing people and I went by myself and for the one of the very few times in my life I felt absolutely connected to each and every one of those people there and I started to open up to what I now call faith but what realize then was my purpose and in taking control of myself. I became blessed to realize that I truly was giving that control to something else which I now call face. I'm blessed to realize that everything thing happens for a reason and feeling not inside me that Grayson not faith truly in me like a little light I realized Oh my goodness I can actually make a difference so I'm going to make that difference with parents and I'm going to share my story when you're sitting in an emergency room and you feel that utter helplessness helplessness. When your child is suffering a level that they've chosen that piece of her? That was choosing. That was that same piece of me that was choosing to be that disempowered parent helpless human look at inside. My daughter was also this grace but inside each and every one of those parents sitting in the emergency room with me or sitting wherever they are in the world feeling that shame and that Greece that they've left their child down. There is no such true feeling because ultimate love that is a love inside me an when inside all of us as parents as far as my daughter goes. She's doing great. She's back into school for as much as she can do. I don't don't judge. I don't criticize. I just love her from this faithful light inside me that allows me to appreciate who she he is and to really truly appreciate this journey. She's allowed me to take with her and to appreciate my other two children my own larger family and every moment that I get here to make a difference and connect with others having the freedom to run my own business dow and supporting boarding other parents have this amazing life. I now embrace because I control it. I appreciate these moments. I've come full circle. That life suggest I and I've given life to three beautiful beautiful amazing souls and there are also unique in different and as a mom. I appreciate now them together. Their sister themselves the relationship growing as the three adults. They're becoming the fourteen seventeen in one thousand nine hundred whatever whatever that looks like for them. I hope they get to have the relationship I have with my sisters my family. Tony Robbins silence. PODCAST is directed by Tony Robbins and produced by the Tony Robbins editorial team with audio editing and sound designed by Jeremy Irons. Today's first guest was Jen. Farris a woman men who shared her incredible story in front of five thousand people. A Tony's date with destiny event in December. Two thousand nineteen are second-guessed was Janet Taylor from Ottawa. Canada who created parents never give up offering support to parents whose children struggle with addiction and mental health issues. Copyright Robbins Research International The.
Wednesday, June 3, 2020
"It. ABC's Aaron Katersky and this is bringing America back what you need to know. The clippers were just about to buzz again at x five cuts shop in Chicago closed for more than two months during the pandemic, it would have welcome clients on Friday as part of the city's phased reopening, then came looters and vandals that infiltrated the protests over the death of George Floyd, the cost of the corona virus, and then the looting stack the odds against many small business owners like Mike Katiba x five cuts. What happened your place? Yeah, so They came in A. Couple of Disney a couple of nights ago few nights ago. They destroyed everything they took see. Everything that I have in their all walks everything that had in the stuff that they couldn't take the destroy just wiped out. Yeah, wipe us out. Yeah, and then after that we went down there real quick at that happened like the next morning. we boarded the windows People started showing up in cleaning up. I don't know where you know like good Samaritans. Like showed up about. Of cleaning up for and stuff like that, oh? That was great. So we brought it up and we love then we go back to assess everything and all that stuff. National Guard has shut down the city. So we can go in. But hopefully tomorrow we're going to go down there. and see what we can. HOW ARE WE GONNA START? To come back from the yard. He had plenty to come back from with Corona. Virus Crazy I mean well. We were so excited that we're GONNA. Come back and reopen on Friday. because we were close to for so long, and then you know so. Many of my workers are just keep telling me you know you know. When are we GONNA? Open Up. We need some money you know coming in and all that stuff and this happens right away. You know now I. Don't know what the heck is going to have been you know? How bad is it? There is a they damage the walls. Stations that I spend almost twenty two thousand dollars. Remodel them a few months. Before Corona virus, maybe like three or four months. So, that got damage like I was so happy with the new look about the barbershop you know. In little the second it was destroyed. As you say, it's been tough enough. How hard with the last couple of months for you and then to have this happen? Like listen first of all I. Never Thought in my lifetime. I would experience something like the hardest. Months Lane tire like. Playing them, simply you know. There's so many things that that I lost because there's so many clients that I. But I lost. There's so much that I lost because of this, the corona virus itself. In I just come on, and then all the signed boom. Another thing hits me right there like a small business with limited resources bay hard for it to come back. From stuff like that, you know like if you if you shut down for a couple of weeks. Okay, but it's more than two weeks then it starts to hurt in her in her her. You know it's not that easy for smaller businesses, not like bigger corporations. You know what I'm saying, so you're going to get in there tomorrow. You think and try and figure it out. Yeah, hopefully tomorrow morning. We're going to go down there and like. Try to figure everything out. That's the situation. Try to start to see what we're GonNa, do and Yeah, and I just want to thank everybody out there man that like donate it to us and in in with me and called me personally. Meant good will never die in this world, and and it was who've yesterday. My Dad always told me that right and that just basically was proven to me. I'm all these good people that were just calling and just asking about me I. Mean I had a lady? That was biased that can to clean up and she was looking. She doesn't even know me. She never been in barber shop into balling out crying because of what happened to my shop. That just hit me so hard good. We'll never die out. We liked that Mike. Katiba x five cuts barbershop shop in Chicago. You heard him talk about his employees who are hurting for money. We're about to hear too difficult. Economic reports weekly jobless claims on Thursday and the unemployment report on Friday today came an indication of. Of How bad those are going to be the payroll company ADP shed another two point. Eight million jobs were lost in May bringing the pandemic total. More than twenty two million casino workers are going back on the job. Starting Thursday on the Vegas Strip reopens, handwashing stations will share the casino floor with the slot machines. Poker chips are going to be sanitized John Flynn as vice president of MGM Resorts House. Just going to go John. You know this is something we're going to work on for several weeks now. Because Edgy No, the health and safety of our employees, and our guest is always first and foremost. So we've, we've worked hard with our local health department worked hard with some infectious disease and public health experts to help us crap and design sort of New Vegas safely experience. We, think that you can still you the things that you did before biggest you could still have a great experience that you had before, but there's a couple of additional safety mechanisms that was put lights, and those are setting for example. Let me show up at the front lobby of the lodge. You're going to notice plexiglass. In several of our areas it's no different than some of the place club. People already seeing in the grocery stores and supermarkets and and other places around the country, but you're going to see that here when we check in at the front desk in a table, Games blackjack and poker. Also within our restaurants. and. You're going to see our employees are going to be wearing masks, and we're strongly encouraging our guest to wear masks, and we'll have math dispensers throughout the property in addition to hand sanitizing stations. We've created this new hand washing station. It's a it's a nice luxurious design that we've removed slot machine. Be Able to hand washing on the Casino, floor? We've had a great road map for digital investments and technology, and we've decided to accelerate those over the last couple of months so now you'll be able to do on my check and get your digital t and go straight to your room. When you show up a restaurant that that there's a line you WANNA come back at different time. You'll be able to scan at your code. See the menu, but also book future reservation sort of like an Disney fast pass model that you. You can come back a couple of hours later. Go back to the casino floor for a SEC. Can you do social distancing at a blackjack table? Yeah, so at a like Jack Table from the past you'd normally have five or six spots, and of course same with craps table it was elbow to elbow shoulder to shoulder, and so we're opening with and this is. This is throughout the entire state instead of having sixty finish table. You're only going to have three. but GM resorts has also done is we've taken the initiative to put plexiglas? Barriers in between each of our justice plane, and in between the guests and the employees so you'll have that additional protective barrier there that you can still have the same blackjack experience you had before or Bacharach but we're just GONNA put a few other things in there to help. Give our guests that extra sense of peace of mind and it's also for employs. Do I was going to say? Is this meant to reassure guests that they're gonNA be alright, or do you think any of this is going to deter people and say it's just all too much. That's that's a great question and I think right now. Most of our guests you look at consumer sentiment, and what's what's taking shape out there in society? I do think that some sort of different look is expected by the customer They are going to be asking for these things. They are expecting these things and and. Maybe some other things that we've done around around systems designed to be able to creek. You know control safe experiences in the past I think a couple of these things will just become a part of the of the everyday experience you know, hand washing and sanitizing social distancing i. think those are going to continue to be around and reinforced, but I still come back to what I. What I what I said earlier you can still come to Vegas and the walls you and enjoy that two bedroom suite, overlooking the foul you can, you can still do that and have a great experience. John Flynn at MGM Resorts Disneyworld is reopening in July. Disneyland does not yet have A. A reopening date, but apparently people are salivating for the Food ABC's Alec Stone joins us from La. You can take out at Disneyland Alex well not yet, but this is something that apparently is being discussed in some form. We don't know how serious Disneyland is about this right now as you know, I can say we've got family that goes down there some certain things that you know they're. They're known for the Monte Cristo. Sandwich that they've got the been. Yays Mickey shaped been as the Chiro, they're just some parts of Disneyland people are apparently missing. And Disney sent out a survey to Disneyland annual pass holders, asking what their opinion would be if they had to go food. Restaurants are doing, but the you could get food delivered to your home or for curbside pickup from inside Disneyland now there's some we were looking at this and saying this is ridiculous. They don't see how this would go, but restaurants. They've been surviving in many areas. Doing this and other Disney fans are saying hey, why not? Disneyland could do to whatever gets you through these stay? Stay at home orders ABC's Alec Stone from Los Angeles Disney by the way the parent company of ABC. News I'm Aaron Katersky now over to amy robot. Thank you Erin. Joining me. Now is ABC News. Chief medical correspondent. Dr Jen Ashton and Dr John. We are facing multiple crises right now. We have obviously social protests cove nineteen possible hurricanes already on a C. Storm here. And then you say that there are two other infectious disease outbreaks potentially going on in the world. Tell us about them. We are certainly dealing with a lot, but to other viral outbreaks that we're watching now. They're occurring in the Congo. Here's what we know. At this point. One of them Bala just as a refresher. There's a rare but often deadly hemorrhagic virus. This outbreak that's occurring right now in the DRC in Africa where they had really had this virus under control. At least nine cases have been reported thus far including five deaths one of them in a teenager. Teenager and for some perspective, this outbreak is the eleventh recorded Ebola outbreak in the DRC since the discovery of this virus in nineteen, seventy six, and unfortunately that isn't the only virus. This region is dealing with. They're also dealing with measles right and we heard about it in this country a year ago. We have to remember that in other parts of the world. This is massive so in terms of measles. Here's what we know right now. The world's largest outbreak is in the DRC reported over six thousand deaths since two thousand nineteen, and well over three hundred thousand cases. Cases we have to remember that measles is one of the most highly contagious respiratory viruses in the world, and with an infection of measles comes a risk of death of approximately one in a thousand. Wow and I know this is the time we're usually talk about what we don't know, but instead let's talk about what you see is the key factors here in these outbreaks to remember I, think this is really important is to put this into medical and scientific perspective here This is a reminder that Cova nineteen is not the only medical and scientific concern right now it's. It's not the only pathogen causing problems in medicine and science. We can't sugarcoat the news. It's about facts and not fear so just making people aware is important and measles. Any Bola are really affecting children disproportionately little different than we're seeing covert nine, certainly all right Dr John. We will check with you a little later in the show. Thank you. We'll tens of thousands gathered in George. Fluids hometown of Houston. Texas, and we are hearing for the first time now from his six year old daughter, what she and her mom want the world to know. Here's ABC's Eva, Pilgrim. Whether you want people to know. Kinda Miss. Him George Floyd six year old daughter Jonah talking about her. Dad Follows your dad like. He play win. Play nobody else because Daniels. Go play. We'll all day long. Johns Mother Roxy Washington saying that George loved his daughter. He was always a great dad. I mean that was his baby. He loved his Little Girl Roxy found out about Georgia's death. When she got a phone call, she then got on the Internet and saw the video I washed. Only for a moment. because. I was like I can't believe. I couldn't believe that somebody was doing him like I wish. How did you explain what happened to your daughter? But Jonah knew something was wrong. I am. An Hour. She doesn't know what happened. Out of there. They. As for Little Jonah, not know exactly what happened to her father, but she does know that everyone is talking about her dad. Just six years old all. She has left of her dad our memories. I know and I want to be when I grow. What allies be our v Doctor I'll say. From. She wants to take care of people were very were very much rooting on John. All she wants to do an EVA. That you spoke with the family's attorney as well and he told you seize these protests as a sign of change. That's right. Amy and that changed starting here in Minnesota. The governor announcing that the state is launching a civil rights investigation, looking into the Minneapolis Police Department. He says it is the first of many steps to rebuild trust with the black community. Amy All right Eva Pilgrim their first minneapolis, thank you. Businesses across the country have been damaged this past week. As some of those widespread and mostly peaceful protests took a violent turn, joining us now to talk about how her business was impacted as the owner of the spoil me hair, Salon and SPA in Chicago Adele, Shaw Adele thanks for being with us today, and if you can walk us through how you found out, your salon was damaged in Monday night's protests. I got a I received a phone call from a neighbor. He had heard the windows. Smashed in. and. It was just. I was devastated at that moment. When, you saw the damage. Can you just tell me how you were feeling what your emotions were? Solo. I lost her. Words I we had you know the. Riot gear going on outside and Anisa. When I drove up and I saw all the blast on. The ground is like an looking forward to opening up. Today actually it just? My heart parents. You know it's like how could this happen? It's a one two punch for sure. After everything that businesses have been through during this corona virus time, and thankfully we should mention. Protests were mostly peaceful in Chicago yesterday, but I do WanNa. Get your thoughts on the protests themselves, and and how you feel about the mayor's call for police reform in your city. I mean most of the has some been really peaceful as unfortunately the aftermath on there. That when people are coming in taking advantage of you know the police helping with the protests and everything, and the knowing that there's areas that are vulnerable and I know that the mayor decided to go forward with reopening businesses. Despite all of the protests you said today you were also supposed to reopen after being closed for months. Where does you reopening? Stand right now after all of this. We're looking forward to. Going forth with its day. Fortunately. I have a good group of neighbors and friends and we were able to. Clean Up and put everything back to gather because I know our clients than waiting for us for over three months, and so we're going to do. It is not so beautiful. Some of our windows. We're GONNA. Do it. Wow and. How does it feel to to now finally be reopened to invite your clients back in after everything. You've been through over the last few months. It's just I love doing here. So it's something that is like now it back to what I love doing on. Our Day. My Day is not going to go all the way it was going to go. We're going to have champagne in Bologne. In celebrate that we're finally coming out of another stage of Covid, but that's their pushed off for a little bit. Do, you have anything that you want to say to those who are protesting in your community? While the peaceful protesters I love what they're standing are is Dan for the same thing, the ones that are coming in and taking advantage of. On abilities and you know smashing in looting and vandalizing businesses. You know, think about your your mom, your sister, your brother or your father if you had a business, would you want somebody do that to you? I think that's a really good way to look at this and we certainly appreciate you joining us today Adele. Shaw Good Luck with your reopening and I know it wasn't the way you thought it was going to be, but you're back open for business and the champagne. Come later right? Yes, most definitely all right, thank you. We're wishing you the best straight ahead here on what you need to know. Small Business Strong bobbies, barbecue is back with copay customer safety on the front burner. There's not a person in America hasn't been impacted in some way by the coronavirus pandemic, but at every community there are pockets of people who suiting up every day. Last Day of seventy strich. These are America's essential workers, the people who are keeping our world moving. To drop off a veteran produce for one of our tenants, and now in a new podcast from ABC News. You're going to hear from them in their own words, but there's always the risk for record. Breath is home to my kids or my husband or my parents. This is the essentials inside the. Listen on Apple podcasts or your favorite podcast and. We're back now with the South Carolina. Barbecue King. Propelling his family business passed this pandemic and into a prosperous future. When, I was tape Nelson from family and soccer and Me and my wife Servia bobbies barbecue, being wide open bobbies barbecue October two, thousand, eighteen expired, it will just pure hobby and snowballed into that by late de Potty, senior head of restaurant drive in food Monday through Saturday, and that starts at age twelve washing dishes, and by the time I was in high school I was running lunch by myself. So I kind of grew up in. Wants to pay McCain and getting Swiss Ralph. We was still generating hop. It was very small each week. See dropping. Boom was like into lack. How bad this kid and then bridget! Caroline flack. Stop, and that's kind of inching up, so we never got to the point we will lose. It was close breaking. My biggest concern where it wasn't keeping my family safe keeping a coworker say and keeping the people come to our restaurant, say and their families because we didn't really know we still getting a better understanding. What's going on now? We hit the shutdown inside, but we never shut the business. Now we kept going so what we did was like thing to go we. We took out come out to the car. We took out delivery for a while to everything together switches doing curbside and online so as people come up. We're running out. The Mitchell gloved on the stuff. And then when the government allows outdoor seating. We had six tables. We had six more. Space it out for the social distancing a tough job, but make it happen. Just doing business because everyone's going through it, not just. Not Together he's trying to make the best decision and be transparent with people. For the most part. By, southern business, trying to reopen a slip low, it's hard to do a lot of prayer and just be flexible retransplant which customers I talked to them all the time getting input college employees I, call coworkers, and just do as a team and be open and transparent and the main thing you should say. You can't live in fear and re terrified, but you have to be why I think I had time to slow down and realize what was most important and focused on an first of all is always taking care of family, and also the consumer, but also a workers that we got either and closer is maybe count my blessings, but the main thing is just really focused on taking more private best product. We can just to love on people. Thank you, favorite things have. What an inspiration octavius Nelson. Thank you. Dr Jen Ashton here and Dr John. As you know, we talked about this good morning. America Dr Foul making headlines, but for something you say he's been saying all along questioning whether or not. We're going to have long term effectiveness with any vaccine right so the headline by a lot of media accounts his. Oh, all of a sudden. There's bad news this is. Is a perfect example again to let people into the way. Doctors think more than just the fact or the bottom line, which is that it's not all or none there have always been qualifiers when we talk about race for a corona virus vaccine specifically with Dr Filed. She was talking about this concept called durability, so not a safety concern, but more of an. An efficacy concern. He does think that a vaccine will be able to be effective, but durability means how long and if you look at other corona viruses like the kind that caused the common cold. We get about a year of protection. That's why people can get colds every year, so that's a major concern. The other one that he mentioned, but didn't get as. As much pickup in terms of headlines, really interesting, it's about whether or not a vaccine will be effective because of the rates of the virus a population, so let's say we're seeing this by the way in the UK if the rates go down in the population as we move into phase, three clinical trials, which is you know involves testing thirty thousand people. It's hard to get efficacy. It's hard to say Oh, you've been injected euro volunteer now you're going out into the community, but guess what there's not a lot of corona virus right now circulating so how can I tell whether you're getting a good immune response so a lot of things to keep in mind? That's why one doctor says he's cautiously optimistic. The emphasis is on the word cautiously right exactly and another headline quickly was just how soon may be getting these back right? And he's expecting about one hundred million doses may be available by the end of this. This year. Are there risks for getting shingles vaccine now, or is it better to wait so specifically about the shingles vaccine? There is a new one ninety seven percent effective newish in the last several years recommended for everyone fifty over the bottom line with this question, amy is that we should not be delaying any routine or scheduled or preventive immunizations because of the pandemic period. No matter the NOPE. Especially, we've heard about it for children and you know this is a great example for people fifty and over absolutely at a safe, you can go to your pharmacy. And get it to doses all right good to know next question. What are some key takeaways? Medical professionals have gotten from countries that have reopened well. This has been kind of the silver lining. If you will, we're looking for a lot of them. In this story is that we have history from Asia from Europe about countries who have dealt with this a little bit before us in terms of timeline so as we reopen, we're looking at those countries for lessons learned it comes down. Down to systems and capacity in terms of how we can prepare for possible second wave or monster wave down the road. We always have to be prepared in medicine, so it comes down to staffing supplies and space, and that's what hospitals are doing right now. All right next question any suggestions for people who are having trouble sleeping because of the current state of affairs. You've talked about how important sleep is for your immune system. Are you asking for a friend? Yes exactly? This is almost ubiquitous problems. So many people are seeing consequences of stress both with a social unrest as well as the pandemic affecting their sleep. Even if we're home offense, Oh, first of all my prescription for this is sleep. Hygiene set a regular schedule. Even if you don't have to be up or have to be asleep I. Know, you're meticulous about this and stick to it. You want to avoid alcohol or caffeine. Especially in the second half of the day those are huge sleep. disruptors I always say you should try to get mental and physical exercise to help your sleep, so the mental exercise something like meditation. Meditation or mindfulness is enormously helpful, and then the environment you have to make your bedroom cold, dark and quiet we the last thing we need is anymore physical or environmental disruption. Exactly all right next question can people who have antibodies be carriers of the virus and still infect others. Short answer really is no, but this is where I wanNA. Do A mini med school on antibodies. There is a class of antibodies called GM, that in some viruses or infectious diseases can actually indicate indicate an active infection and therefore someone who could be infectious or contagious, but for Cova, one thousand, nine hundred and antibody test is. Is Not meant to determine whether someone is actively infected or contagious. When we've heard news bites about other tests like the PR nasal swab testing positive in someone who's recovered, but they're not contagious. That's important for people to understand. Just because you detect the virus doesn't mean it's live or can infect someone else all right very good answers all right. You can submit questions to Dr Jen for more very good answers on her instagram at Dr J.. Ashton, well with everything that is going on with the Cova crisis. Our kids are having to deal with so much and now the nation is facing yet another crisis. Crisis this one on race, and we're now of course in the second week of protests that are sparked by the tragic death of George Floyd who died in the hands of police in Minneapolis and as the nation unrest continued parents like us or having to have really tough conversations with their children about reese protests and police brutality so here to help us educate and protect our kids. Is Psychiatrist Dr Janet Taylor Dr, Taylor thinking so much for coming back and we'll just get right into it. How do you explain to your kids about the current atmosphere what they're seeing what they're hearing the protests and racism. Well, you can save your kids. Listen. You know how you feel when you asked me to do something and I say no, you say why because I said so all these protesters were saying. That's not good enough because I say so, it's not good enough, so you've taken to the streets. They've taken us their Maoz, and in a thoughtful, and for the most part very orderly, wasting that we disagree, and that that is a natural. Natural part of life and we can teach our kids to think and to how to disrupt when they're feeling something that they don't agree with so it's a really opportune teaching moment about how to be creative thinker and how to stand up for when you disagree with something and Janet, you always say that. Obviously these tough conversations have to be age appropriate, but had recommend that we talked to our children about the police in general. Well we don't want our children to be afraid of the police and we say you know how there are people who may have the right intention, but they do bad things. Most of the police are good people. You can go to them for help and most of US still do, but there are some police officers who've made bad choices, but we want our kids to see the police as a safe entity, a a safe structure because they do help us. Jen just mentioned age appropriateness so i. ask what's the youngest age you should start talking with your child about these difficult topics. Well as important as it is talk about difficult topics like racism, which we know has existed for a long time you know when kids are three or four as a child of color, they will experience incidents whether it's a classmate, says something a teacher, so whether we know or not as parents. It's happening, so what we can do is expose our children. Of all colors to books that have characters that are black, listened to their conversations, and when your child says it's something has happened to them because of the color of their skin or because of their hair texture. We need to listen, and we need to show them that we are doing something about. It doesn't mean being angry, but showing them in a calm thoughtful way about how to handle an insult or slight especially to other adults to make sure it doesn't happen again. We can no longer ignore the pain that racism causes to our children, and is there ever a situation where you would recommend actually shielding your child from racism as a topic? I would never recommend that you schilder child from racism is the topic because is important as it is the conversation about racism, it's about anti-racism. And what does that mean that means that we teach our kids, not that we're all alike, but the week can have the same values, and our differences can suggest beauty. Our differences can be something that we learn so when there is an incident that is unfair with. There's an incident where somebody tries to use. Use their power in a way. That's destructive. We need to address it as a teachable moment, and in terms of those teachable moments, how can parents explain in the best way to their children about their race and about other races? Well one way is to stop using the word race which we know is a social construct. It's a meaningless term talk about people in terms of their ancestry, their history, their culture, how they see themselves in terms of their. Their ethnic origin that's one way to do it, and then just to say listen. There are people who try to use their power against other people in a way that is unfair, and it's important to know the difference between a leader versus someone who's just in charge, a lot of people who have racist thoughts and do things that are destructive. It's because they are afraid of losing their power, not in charge. A leader looks out for everyone so if If. You're in a situation whether it's a teacher whether it's a coach that does not treat people fairly then. They're not a leader. There's in charge and we need to make a decision to get rid of those people, and we teach our children how to do that. And that starts with them, being able to talk to us in us being comfortable, using terms like black or Latino or white, whatever the term is so that we can have those conversations. And Janet, I mean mental health professionals like yourself are in short supply as it is, you always give us such good advice. What resources would you recommend to help us? Start this conversation about race. Well I just came across a great organization. It's embraced race dot Org that has wonderful points for parents to with kids and also buy books that have different characters. You know the snowy day as we're. Keith was written in nineteen, sixty two. It's a number. One book taken out of the New York Public Library. And what does it show a young black kid? Kid Peter, who's going out into the white snow? Use books like that and just see how your kids react, but show them have experienced different cultures and different races in our great way to do that. They certainly are and your your words of wisdom have been so helpful Dr Janet Taylor. We certainly appreciate you. Think you for your time and your expertise. Thank you. A young students unique vision has turned into an inspirational film about the coronavirus. It's called growing up. Kovin. The film takes an eye opening. Look at how children are taking in what's happening all around them and we're so happy to have the creative force behind the film with us now. Sixteen year old Riley Landau Riley. Thanks for being with us. What inspired you to make this film? Well, I really think that. My inspiration for the film was my littlest sister Ellie. I would say that. When this thing her resilience through this pandemic is, it's just truly amazing and She may not be going alive school. She may not be seeing her friends, but. Watching her grow during this pandemic and became more independent. She actually taught herself had a fold laundry and she's become better at me. Than me a folding laundry. And so many other things that sticks year. Olds don't normally do and I feel like during this time of pandemic things really put into perspective for everyone. And I feel like we really learn about a want versus a need. And what's really important in life, and although it's hard, it's important that we try to have a positive mindset, and I feel like Elliot's doing a really good job at this and her positivity has really helped me through this and I feel like that was. That was inspiration for the film? It's beautiful and I love it. Because positively is contagious. Just like you said I know your mom posted this online. Thousands of people have already watched it. What is the one thing you want people to take away from your film? That in a world right now we're living in a world that really isn't okay and is kind of feeling, damage and hurt for so many reasons. My goal was to kind of give people at a positive take on some things, and to make people smile and the fact that I've already made I. Think it's around. Thirty thousand people smile that that's exceeded my goal so much, and that's that's truly gratifying well. You are an amazing young woman. Keep doing what you're doing. Riley. Thank you for being with us and thank you for sharing US sharing with us that beautiful film and tell your sister. She's beautiful to. Thank you all right final thoughts now from Dr Jen Ashton Amy, it's hard to follow that one but I want to stay with our theme of the week, which is my prescription for wellness how people can do little things that have big impact on their overall, mental and physical wellbeing so today the focus is on fitness. And I think it's really important that we remember that our body needs three things. Every day needs rest needs fuel, and it needs to move. There's no. There's no shortcoming in terms of what you can do. You can literally start anywhere. It's a difference of sitting rather than standing rather than sitting running rather than walking. If you're standing or sitting, just take a walk How many miles are you running to global running day? One I'm running five miles. I pledged it, but we're asking everyone to run or walk one mile. Anything, literally it starts with one step and improves mental wellbeing and our physical wellbeing and everyone can do that today, and it will help I believe that I know it will preach preach into the know. That's our program for today I'm Amy. Robot thanks for listening. So tomorrow morning you're going to get some tax from your cousin about this new information. They just discovered on some Jenky website. Going to be like you definitely should not be basing decisions on that, but I just don't have time to explain all of this to year right now. 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Take a little bit, but whenever took murder victims and when people say. Oh, they were they. Realized they were. They were drug users they were they don't. There's so much of that in society where you don't see their picture in news. The one of the things I always say is that they could have gotten enough money. To eat an ice cream Sunday for some reason that seems like so much freedom to me and life to me, so this actually means a lot to me. Let's sweet belly. What's your favorite ice cream Sunday? You, know what I got a little chocolate. A little peanut butter, a little peanut butter in there through a little hot fudge in their their little A whip cream in there, you know. That's that's my. That's my thing. Deep dark chocolate. a classic Sunday Now I want some ice cream, but That's enough of that. So, let's turn down the lights. And turn up your anxiety. Because this could be. For more than four decades, the brutal murders of two young women whose bodies were discovered strangled and brutalized in the hills near Stanford University, less than a mile apart from one, another remained a total mystery. The man who killed them John Get true managed to fly under the radar, maintaining the appearance of living a pretty normal life. Those who knew him describe a family man, a boy, Scout, leader, a loving father and grandfather. They had no idea that the man they thought they knew had been attacking sexually assaulting in murdering young women since one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty three. The consequences and stigma of committing such a heinous crime did not follow John Getcha when he returned to the United States, he was left free to his own devices and full advantage of his anonymity. Last week we took you through. Get Yours high school years on the base. We killed Margaret Williams. Margaret's murder haunted our first degree barbara in two thousand seventeen. She was shocked to hear his name in the news yet again, because over the years Barbara never forgot about Margaret and never forgot about John Get true, and that's because a number of her friends and her and her sister, and then her sister-in-law, who is her best friend on the base? They kept in touch in this story did not ever go away. It would come up here and there, and they always wondered what happened to John Get true. We had this story in common. And so you talk about it. You know whatever he's like. That came up and lead say. I wonder where he is and I. Wonder this back then. We didn't have social media. We didn't have Internet nothing so all we did talk about it and talk about how scary was and. I don't know then after a while. You know you move on, and you let it go, but every once in a while is something happened. And so get this. My sister and I. We do like your shows. We like podcast like this. She's listening to one call case file, so she was listening to that as she fell asleep. That's what she saw. She Falls Asleep and she said she was just about asleep and she here's the name get through, and she sits up in bed and yells husband up. Wake Up. This is about John Route. Because he was over there, too. And it's about. A girl, who was killed, in Stanford, and in the last fifteen minutes he talks about gets very short I started googling and found that Palo Alto article that told a lot and I just went some I started reading tonight. Know all about funding, and you've learned about their personalities and whatnot. And as soon as she said that. I said. Didn't you always think he'd be? A serial killer will be kind of laughed it, which is not appropriate, but she goes yes. Of course could be. Of course, he could be a serial killer. And there's no doubt that John True is a serial killer, but to what degree to answer that we need to go back to the beginning. Today's case takes us back to August, twenty sixth of nineteen forty four, and this is the day the marked the birth of John Arthur get through the movie. Playing in the theaters was marriage is a private affair starring Lana Turner James Craig and as far as songs topping the charts bing. Crosby swing on a star was the song everyone was listening to. Now there's no one setting for today's case. But we'll start essentially where the villain began, and that's Newark Ohio. Which is a city? Three miles east of Columbus and Newark is the twentieth largest city in Ohio. It's not terribly big. And what is most known for our the Newark Earthworks Resnais major ancient complex built by the hopewell people. And remnants of this earthworks still exist today. During the late eighteen hundreds, and the early nineteen hundreds, the licking county fair took place inside the Great Circle Mound, which is one of the largest of the structures. And then the Ohio national, guard utilize the octagon mound as a drill field. And it's here in Newark Ohio. The John Arthur Gatera was born on August, twenty, six, nineteen, forty, four, his dad was Major Charles j jetro, his mom Irma get JETRO. He had two siblings Danny and Marquette he stayed in Newark until he was four in the get through. Family frequently returned Ohio visits between being stationed at basis around the world for most of John's Childhood and adolescence. When gone was. Was In grade school, we know that he was an Army Brat, but an ongoing female notice throughout this episode is that it's incredibly difficult to try to piece together where people were in the nineteen fifties in the nineteen sixties in the nineteen seventies, even in the eighties on ancestry dot com. I did find a ship blog that proved that John True sailed from Japan to San Francisco Nineteen fifty five. But tracking a minor down in the fifties and sixties is no easy feat in that even found that surprised me because it was very hard to figure out where he was which base which country at which times right and John, whose picture appears in the Newark High School Yearbook and Nineteen Sixty one as a sophomore, so he attended high school in Ohio if only four short time likely when his father was between assignments, and we know that prior to his arrival. Arrival in Germany. Where he went to school with her first degree Barbara, he had spent time in Hawaii, and also North Carolina and we do know that he was attending school on the base in Germany from sixty two until sixty three, and it's a nineteen sixty three when John Killed Margaret Williams. He then spent those measly two years serving a sentence for her murder between sixty four and sixty six, and then he returns to the United States, but then why? What we can't be sure of is that upon his return, it became clear that those two years in a German prison did not rehabilitate John Get true. Not, even close. And we know that because we now know that more women net Margaret's fate. It's hard to know where John. Catcher landed immediately following his return from Europe. There are no records it can be found between sixty six and sixty nine. However we do know that he got married to his first wife in sparks Nevada. which is a town within reno? And by Nineteen, seventy-one John Wife moved to and settled into Palo. Alto California, which is near San Francisco And at this time he's working as a lab tech Mills Hospital which was located in Palo Alto. He later worked the Stanford University Medical Center as a cardiac technician, and then eventually oddly Japan started working in security at Stanford University. The name of the company that employed him in seventy two was officially listed as Plant Protection Services of Palo Alto, and we know that the seventy s were rocked cursed whatever you wanna call it plagued with a number of prolific and extremely deadly serial killers, especially on the west coast. We have bundy. We have raider. We have Dangelo. We have the hillside strangler, and so on and so forth. The time, it wasn't clear how many serial killers were at work across California, but it was more than a few. We didn't have the technology to help. Connect cases, nor could information be spread quickly amongst police departments. Keeping in general was lax, people could easily assume different names, new identities and John Gastro had all of this working in his favor in the added bonus, he had also was that he was military brat which. Makes it much more difficult to figure out where he'd been where he was or anticipate where he would go. Home. And we know where he went Palo Alto Northern California. An area that was plagued by a rash of murders in the early Seventies. And that included the murder of twenty one year old. Lesley Marie, Perlov. Leslie was Stanford University Law School student. And she also worked part time at the north. County Law Library. On February Sixteenth Nineteen seventy-three. Leslie went on a walk in the hills near Stanford University. And there was a very specific reason for this track. She wanted to find a viewpoint from the hills that you want to have painted on canvas for her widowed mother's birthday, so after work. She drove her orange. Nineteen seventy-two Chevy Nova to the gates of a rock, quarry and part. From there. It's believed that she walked North West. And when Leslie never made it home, a search for her started immediately I her car was discovered, but there was no sign of Leslie or her purse anywhere police and volunteers searched the hills, and they eventually came upon Lesley's battered beaten, and strangled body face down in some brush underneath an oak tree. She'd been strangled by her scarf. It was still around her neck. Her skirt was pulled up around her waist and other items of clothing were hanging off her body as if they were forcibly removed, she was wearing a raincoat, and it was stained with blood, according to the police report Leslie, was not sexually penetrated, but her skirt was pulled up in her panties and pantyhose were stuffed in her mouth. Lesley's friends and family were at a total loss. Who would want to kill this young law student? They didn't know. I'm sure the sadness in confusion was overwhelming, because remember the term serial killer at this point hadn't even been coined when Leslie was killed. People didn't yet. No real threat of certain strangers be brushed shoulders with industry. It's were carrying with them. This disturbing an inexplicable less to kill torture and rape strangle innocent strangers. This concept is an Zeitgeist now, but it was not back then right, so the police at the time had no idea why leslie was killed or who did it. The investigation was further confused when the day after her body was found, they found the body of a man in the very same hills where they had discovered Leslie's body. The remains were that of a twenty five year old man who had a lethal gunshot blast to the face. He would later be identified as Mark Roosevelt. His death was ultimately determined to be a suicide. And I was rampant that perhaps this was the person who killed Leslie before taking his own life, but in reality. The location he chose to end his life eerily close to Margaret's remains was coincidental. And, when the police began investigating Leslie's murder, the only clue of substance that really presented itself was in the form of a witness who said that she saw Lesley's Orange Chevy Nova parked at the quarry that there was a man with shaggy-haired driving a car near Lesley's. And at one point he pulled alongside and parked next to her car, but this wasn't really that much to go on, and while they're able to collect evidence at the scene. Where Leslie's body was recovered, they couldn't really do anything with this evidence due to the lack of technology, so such as the case with. with, so many murders happened in the nineteen seventies. Lesley's murder went cold ice cold. The following year in the early evening hours of March, Twenty Fourth of Nineteen, seventy, four, twenty, one year old, Janet and Taylor left the home of one of her friends who lived in Palo, Alto and she decided to hitch hike back to her house, which is located in the nearby city of La Honda. Her friends begged her not to go, but she said she had to. She had to go home and let her to Doberman pinschers out for to go to the bathroom for the day. Witnesses leader came forward and told police. They spotted Janet walking on Gina Perreault. Sarah Boulevard which had a decent amount of cars on the road that evening there was healthy traffic flow and Janet was seen at seven thirty PM. That night and it was actually the last time anyone would ever see her alive. Because the next morning delivery driver found her body in a ditch alongside interstate two eighty. Her body was fully clothed except for her shoes and purse, which were messing. She was wearing green corduroy pants. When police arrived at the scene, they discover that Janet had been strangled. Likely her own gray turtleneck sweater. The medical examiner observed hemorrhages in her throat and fluid and blood in her lungs. Marks appeared to have been made by the design on her knitted turtleneck sweater. As if something had pressed hard against it. The hired bone in her throat was fractured. There was also evidence of sperm in her crotch area. But no injuries. Her clothing was preserved, and although police investigated to the best of their abilities, they didn't come up with a suspect. And Janet was not a student at Stanford University. But. Her murder still sent shockwaves through the community. Because Janet's father Chuck. Taylor was Stanford's Athletic Director and football coach. The police struggled to find out who killed Janet at the time. She was working for Maritime Information Center in Palo Alto area, and she was a student at a school six miles away from Stanford at Candidate College in San, Mateo County. There was less than ten minute drive between these two campuses, so she'd hitchhike between the two schools to meet up with friends or meet up with her dad or different activities like that the murders of both Gina and Leslie were shocking sickening, and they had a number of things in common in both cases, the police in the victims families believe that their daughters had no prior connection to their killer both. Both were twenty one years old both had connections Stanford University. They were both found face down both strangled with a ligature, and each found less than a mile from one another, but here's the thing. Unfortunately there murders were not the first that occurred within the vicinity of Stanford University there had been four others that were similar that had been perpetrated by under assailant between nineteen seventy to nineteen, seventy six. Both Janet and Lesley's cases began to go cold. That was until the arrest of Ted, Bundy. Who was known to target young women on the West Coast. Detectors wondered if he could have been responsible for the killings. But after looking into Bundy, detectives concluded that they couldn't find any concrete evidence that Bundy had either killed them. Or had taken them. Then in nineteen, seventy five John Get true slips up. Here's what happened in the words of Diane. Tell who is now sixty two years old at this time. Get. Your was still married to his first wife Sue. And even though the couple didn't have children, they were very involved in the scouts for some odd reason. As a scouts leader John took the children to dances and other events active as a guardian according to del. Just say real quick. It's very odd to be a scout leader with no kids. So, just throwing that outnumber. It's. It's so strange strange I. Don't know if you'd be able to do that these days. It. Faster now. They're supposed to be a big process to go through, but I don't know. That it's. That seems like a no go nowadays. In January of Nineteen, seventy five, diane was a seventeen year old scout explorer, her parents on a vacation when she and three of the boys ner troop decided to go to a midnight movie and then get some pizza. Their parents would only allow this kind of late night if the company by an adults and one of the boys had suggested that they invite John Gastro. In one, saying got home, she said she heard a knock on the door. It was John Jetro. And he said that the other boys were still wide awake and we're planning to meet at her house, so the boys were gonNA come back over in this party was gonNA. Keep going. But the boys never came in as Diane and John Gadgetry sat there in waited for the quote. Unquote boys to calm, who would never come? John began to question her about uncomfortable subjects like her relationship with one of the boys. And then he started probing her about her experiences with kissing boys. John also wanted to know about Diane's best friend and other boys in the troop, asking similar questions about their relationships in this May, Diane, extremely uncomfortable John Guttridge thirty one. She's seventeen. It's a very odd situation. We have at a certain point. He started kissing her in Diane, said think of sued think of your wife. Because remember Diane also knows sue. So John told her that they were having troubles and weren't getting along and continue to kiss her, and then he pushed her onto the sofa. Mind you. Diane's little brother is asleep in the bedroom down the hall, and she protested and tried to get up, but he grabbed her by the throat in began to tighten his grip. He threatened her to be quiet and said he could hurt her. John Get your remained on top of her. He took off her clothes below the waist and he raped her. and. Most of the time he kept one hand firmly around her throat. Dan recalled at the boys, and their true had talked him up as sort of this amazing leader. They often said that he was very strong. He had taken martial arts. After John Left Diane's house, she went to her friend's house where she told the parents about the rape. John Getcha was arrested for raping Diane and he pleaded not guilty in the case went to court. The teenage girls testified that during the rape John was choking, and said I have my hand at your throat in I could hurt you. John was given a deal and was able to plead guilty to statutory rape. He paid a two hundred dollar fine, and he was sentenced to six in jail. However, five months of his sentence were suspended, so this piece of shit got one month for violently reaping. Bold and on top of all that he was allowed to serve his time on weekends in County jail like this familiar to anybody desert, remind anybody of in Jeffrey Epstein. It's in Sane and just so we're clear. He received two years in jail for killing Margaret. He gets one month in jail for the violent rape of a minor plus two hundred dollar fine, and for anybody that does. This is less than three parking tickets in La. It's insane and I'm really sure that he learned his lesson. Why would he not do it again? Nothing happens to him. He has no repercussions, no and one of the things I wanted to point out. People always ask us like. Why were the seventies such a big time for serial killers and A lot of it is because that they started out raping women and they got so such small sentences. On yeah exactly. The odds were that women were going to feel the support they needed. To feel strong enough to take it to court, so a lot of women just didn't bother as we I mean we talk about this all the time it happens now. Women don't bother now because they don't want to deal with the nightmare that they often have to. You teach people how to treat you and if people aren't getting punished for brutalizing and killing and raping, then they're not gonNA learn their lesson and they're going to think we're here at Disposal I. Mean you get in more trouble for Jaywalking than this? Got In trouble for violent violently raping somebody so? How those and set and the girl that he raped the girl scouts, and he said she came on to him, so he got like one month of weekends in jail. I'll tell you what this really shows to. It was certainly a man's world back then. That van. Will you wearing? But yeah, his hand was slapped just like Epstein. He has all those girls. They put him in jail in Florida. So what was one year on the weekends only? I. Mean another thing that I wanNA point out. Is that now? We have John Killing Leslie in seventy three right we have. Him Killing Janet and seventy four, and we have him committing a violent rape and seventy five so. I'm no mathematician and I'm certainly not the math genius in this group, but I see a pattern That's one violent attack per year with no repercussions to this point, virtually none. I'm sorry. Two hundred dollar fine I'm sure was catastrophic so. We asked you. What are the odds that he is going to stop? Those odds are probably pretty low. We'll be back with the story after this break. It is summertime. It is hot outside and the last thing that I want to be doing right now is making an entire long meal, and that's why I love our sponsor. Daily Harvest and right now daily harvest is helping beat the heat with a refreshing smoothies and delicious scoops, which is their new plant based ice cream scoops are free of additives, preservatives and filler because. Nourishing organic ingredients like black sesame coconut cream in dragon fruit, and they have four amazing flavors. Dealing harvest is such a lifesaver. They help you stock your home with clean. 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That's when he hit us first wife divorce, and he married his second wife, Linda and Caputo despite his criminal record. Get your at a second joined a scout troop while in Ohio. According to an April first nineteen eighty article in the Newark Advocate. They were in the. York society. Which is an explorers posed open to all youth ages, fourteen and older adults. Which is dedicated to teaching native American traditions, and these public records detailing disparage and this move. John is using the last name. Get through spelled G. E. T. R. E.. W. Instead. Of G. E. T. R. E. You. Remember by now. He has a rape on his record. So. This was a deliberate effort to distance himself from that crime. And now between nineteen, seventy, eight and nineteen eighty-eight. We kind of lose track of John Together, and there's very little that we know about what he was doing during this time. And this should probably be the period of time that we're examining the most closely when attempting to connect him with these other crimes. In nineteen eighty, Ada John POPs backup on the public records radar when he buys property and Alameda County California, and at this point, he is a father with Tucson's. After moving back to California, guttural lived a seemingly unremarkable life in the bay area from the eighties to the present. He was raising a family and joining civic organizations such as the elks lodge. In two thousand, three, John's second wife dies of cancer in the early two thousands. He really leans into this quote. Unquote American Dad this sort of vibe into thousand seven, he served as the Exalted Ruler of the Fremont Elks Lodge. Twenty one twenty, one in Fremont California, then in two thousand eight John Married his third wife, and you have to remember that. When John Gets who was masquerading as a family man, he was killing and yet he was not a law. Enforcement rate are whatsoever, but somebody else was. Vice failure ran soccer, the East area rapist, the original night stalker, who we now know as the Golden State killer from nineteen, seventy, six and nineteen, eighty-six Joseph Diangelo was doing the same thing John Guitry was popping up and killing in various cities across California. That man is retroactively. Almost just as difficult to track in pinpoint where he was what he was doing and where he was working as John gets its. And deangelis murders a gun on solid for almost forty years when the FBI announced that they reviving their efforts to capture the man, they were now referred to as the Golden State killer. They offered a fifty thousand dollar reward. They put up billboards with the sketches of the GS suspect. And while it was known that there was this revived effort to find a suspect. Known at that time, really knew what was going on behind the scenes. Law enforcement was using genetic genealogy to search for GSK. And with Jess K.. Genetic genealogy technologies snagged its first big win, and that was the capture of Joseph. DANGELO golden state killer. And on the heels, their success, and the use of technology to capture Jess K, they started to look to genetic genealogy to solve other cases that had long been considered cold last week profiled the murder of Margaret Williams and we discussed how Margaret's little brother Evan was only seven years old and living on the base in Germany when his big sister was killed. Well as an adult, he called the law enforcement assigned to the Golden State. Task Force to tell them about John Gastro. In while Barbara was much older than Evan at the time of Marcus Murderer and the base. She certainly knew who Margaret's little brother was. My sister two days later Arabia. My sister was walking back from having Babysat for somebody and she saw Bevan. With their apartment window that was open and he yelled down to her. My sister was killed. He was seven and a half. My sister was killed. Religious looked with him what she said say. She came home and tell me and I was like Oh mark. Evans said the following to the Palo Alto Journal. Quote when there was a push to find golden killer I was concerned that the California authorities would not have known about the murder in Germany. When the FBI asked release I, let them know that this man was the man who took my sister's life and he was living in California. Now timeline for when the police looked, get true following Evans Call, and when they realized he wasn't. She S K when they realized Dangelo was Jessica, and when they realised John, JETRO could actually be connected to other cold cases is unknown, and even just saying that it's complicated and convoluted, but just know those sequence of events did occur. We know in two thousand seventeen. The police started looking at John get trying to figure out where he was in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, three and nineteen, seventy four, when Leslie and Janet were murdered, and luckily they had DNA for each crime scene, so the police knew these were solvable crimes. All we needed to do was find the owner of this mysterious DNA. So around the same time that it was becoming known the junk Getcha was elected to other murders here. United States Barbara and Avin reconnected on facebook of course so I. Was Avenues. Monterey spoke I told him. I said I don't want to bother you I. don't want to invade you, but I knew Margaret, and you didn't because you only seven and he said Oh tell me anything you know. All about her. How sweet she was and how Fixture UK! Day and. All of that he said I've never known in me that he said I. Don't know that I. didn't melted I went to the window. He said I'm so thankful that you told me these things so when I. Texted with Evan. I said. I said I have to be careful. Because I I don't really know you haven't seen you since you were seven, but I think this man has commonly killed women in Ohio when there six years and owns her. Stanford area and he said MEEKS. By now Joseph. The Angel had been identified as the golden state killer. And by April of two thousand eighteen, he had been charged with the thirteen gs, k murders, and all the other prosecutable offence is connected to his killing spree. In regards the pursuit of Jon Catcher as a potential murder suspect. While they didn't have the smoking gun they needed. They had connected Lesley's murder to Janet's. Police have been able to extract DNA from under Leslie's fingernails, and they retrieved DNA pants. Janet had been wearing when she was killed. In regards to Leslie case. The male DNA under her nails was a significant finding. The, scientists conducted these tests, said the following day Palo Alto online article. Quote. It's not that common to find another person's DNA as a major contributor under a victim's fingernails. DNA from someone other than the victim is found less than twenty percent of the time. The presence of another person's DNA, which in this case match get through can't be explained by a handshake or a pat on the back. It would have been from physical contact with skin cells or bodily fluids. Such as semen. Some skaters had all the pieces that they needed to put this huge puzzled together. They had his name. They were aware of Margaret's murder back. In Germany, in nineteen, sixty three, and there were glaring similarities between all three of them. By now that also learned that John Getcha was working at Stanford University as a medical and lab tech. And using genetic genealogy Santa Clara law enforcement obtained a genetic sample from a distant cousin of John get truce, and the results indicated that somebody in his family tree had been the one to kill Lesley Marie Perlov. They were so close. So police went through this family tree one branch at a time looking for members of the family who could have been in Palo Alto during the right time in the right area. Policemen through the family tree, one brand time looking for members of a family who could have been in Palo Alto the right area during the right handful of years that aligned with Leslie's murder until they landed on John Ghetto. At this point John was living in the bay area. A town called Hayward that was across the San. Francisco Bay from Mateo California and to get John Veterans Deny Santa Clara County Sheriff's detectives followed. He and his wife in Washington throwaway disposable coffee cups in a plastic trash. Can the police grab the discarded Cups and tested them? For, DNA, the DNA from get Truce Cup match the DNA found under leslie per lobs nails. I'll tell you why it got solved because of Evan. Evans said you've got to trace this. Man's dear men and they said we can't just go Jeddah's DNA. We don't have any. And how do we accurate in? And then they did that genealogy and sound a cousin back in Ohio and I. Guess you know how they matched the different things on the DNA and found a match then they started looking at all the jets rooms. You know. Can we find any of the countries? And then they found? Oh, there is one he is in Palo Alto. And, so then they made the connections. We have to thank the detective department to you know some police departments they go. We don't care. That was fifty years ago. So on November twentieth two, thousand, Eighteen. After forty five years of her case being cold. John. was arrested for the murder of Lesley Marie per Perlov. Once in custody he may be potentially significant statement during, questioning. He told the detective he did not know lizzy Pearl off. And he had not had sexual relations with her. He also said that he had never been in the hills where her body was found. When shown a photo of the twenty one year old victim however. Get your recognized her as a Stanford graduate. And after John Get arrest people who had known him from all around the globe, started to learn the truth about who he ultimately become, or maybe who this man had always been from the beginning Mary early and she divorced him. She probably. Already married gentlemen, she died. And you married a third time. And she stayed with him, and they lived in Harlem of an apartment I. Don't know I. Don't know L. A. or Palo Alto whatever Stanford, but he lives not SAR like fifteen minutes away from the university and They didn't have any money. He ended up being a carpenter. And just like so many of these stories when they interviewed the neighbors and whatnot they go. No, that was the nicest man t used to buy. Our kids presents and I'm like yeah, they did. Because he wanted perp on them and I I did feel sorry for John and I felt like even from the beginning there was just this dark side to him a sad side. But when I read that He. Bad Mouthed Margaret and then he talked about some of these women I thought no. He's he's a psychopath. So sure. Word eventually reached Evan Williams, the brother of John trews first known victim Margaret Williams. Evans said the following to the PJ star quote. I always had this feeling. I might be made aware of him. Committing crimes later in life, the article continues from time to time a memory of assist or new story about unsolved serial murders led Evan Williams to research John Get through and his whereabouts, and he admitted that he's had to work on himself for the research from consuming him. The burden carried believing that gets real had likely murdered raped in harm. People was one. I felt I was meant to carry until anytime. I might be able to have any influence injustice happening in hopefully, some people being spared leslie us family live for decades, not knowing who killed her. Sister Diane had kept in touch with the detectives who worked the case for those forty years. And, she never gave up hope that it would be solved. And then only a handful of months after John Getcha was charged with Lesley's murder, and May of two thousand and nineteen. He was charged with Janet Taylor's scientists had been able to extract DNA from the clothes. Janet was wearing when she was killed, and like in the case of Leslie, the DNA was a match to John get truce. He was held on ten million dollars bail ten million dollars bail. Own who's posted in that? No, scientologist! Jeffrey seen. About. The arrest of John Gut true answers to questions that have begged to be. For more than forty years. WHO KILLED LESLIE! Pearl off who kill Janet Taylor. But with the clear outcome in regards to these two cold cases, two questions, a million more questions emerged. Here's what we seem to know about John. JETRO brochure. It appears that he killed women in Nineteen. Sixty three. Then seventy three. Seventy four, but how many others has he killed? This is the question on the forefront of everyone's minds. And once John was in custody investigators. Start a piece things together. And much of their work in building a time line has been included in this episode, but as we mentioned there gaping holes in terms of information that can be provided by public record. Once news of his arrest became public. People who thought they knew John Catcher start to come forward. And share their experience with this serial killer in disguise. Too many who have spoken John get through seemed like a perfectly regular person, nothing, exceptional, nothing extraordinary, but nothing overtly alarming either. Some neighbors said in his old age John was the type of man who gave Christmas presents to kids in the neighborhood just because. A man who had worked as a carpenter, a boy scout leader, he'd been a father, a grandfather and a husband, three times over, he had worked as a lab tech at Stanford and Mills Hospitals, and liked to work with his hands, dabbling in carpentry and woodworking, meanwhile as detective work through the arduous process of figuring out who John could have killed. In which states are countries, John, get true pleads, not guilty. Of the murders of Janet and Leslie at his arraignment hearing. When I said. So. Do you think as I think he's killed. killed a woman every year there for about four years in rage girl. Then he crawls a year later killed and year later he rapes. Let's the girl's name. Sharing Lucci he's the one that I. And I said. There's no way she stopped. He just moved back to Newark. Ohio with his wife and barren couple years. I, Karen, damn, T you. There are cold cases in that area. And he was killing women there and then, but not too hot. He went back to La, and of course his kings comes up the middle of September. So we'll see. Why do you guys like Dangelo were like John Get true. Plead not guilty when there is so much glaring evidence stacked against them well in cases like this by now. They realized that it's likely that they're going to be spending the rest of their lives in prison. So what the Kausar! They're gonNA. Do It's entertaining. scumbags like them like to relive their crimes like see the sad family members in the in the courtroom. Audience I mean. This is the Kinda Shit they live for. They haven't had this much excitement since last time they killed so this is why these guys do this. Even though they're gonNA, lose. Yeah, and it's there. It's there ace that's. The, only bargaining chip that they have left and that's exactly what they're doing with it. So since Gertrude capture northern. California investigators have been working to contact the police departments in the various cities where John has lived over the years. And even though interdepartmental communication is better than it was in the seventies. It's still pretty awful. And they have their work cut out for them. Luckily the presume solving Leslie. Janet's cases did generate a considerable amount of media coverage. Get Yours angry, chilling seventy-four-year-old Mugshot was circulated widely, and the image of his face, eventually found its way into the home of seventy year old seamy valley. Woman named Sharon Lucci. And she. His face immediately. Sharon recounted her story in an article for the P. Journal Star. She said in the sixties and seventies living in Hollywood California and she'd sometimes go to a social mixer at the Christian Church that she attended. And she had an encounter with John Jetro after one of these social gatherings. John had been with another attendee at this church, Makira and he asked her out on a date and Sheridan was kind of uncertain about the guy because he seemed a little bit. But to older church employees urged her to go out with them, so she agreed to grab coffee with him somewhere for a date. Sharon got into John's car, but instead of drive into a coffee shop he ascended the dark, winding streets of the Hollywood hills before parking and a very secluded spot. Then this guy turned to Sharon, put his hands around her neck and started to choke her. Shirt said I spent the entire night with his hands around my throat, I thought he was going to snap the tiny bones in my neck. He repeatedly choked her relaxing his hands just in time before she would lose consciousness, and then between the choking episodes, he would chat seemingly to himself. Saying God had given him a directive. Quotei said he had to kill me. He said God told him he had to kill beautiful women who are temptation to his Christian brothers. She recalled that as this man stared in her eyes, she didn't panic. The choking and releasing continued for hours until the sun came came up. Then, she said for some reason when the sun came up, he decided to let me live Sharon believes that her ability to stay calm saved her life, because if it was fear triggered excitement that John Gotcha was hoping to get from. Sharon, he wasn't going to get it because she didn't indulge him by panicking. Sharon also thinks that perhaps after spending so many hours with him. He reconsidered. Maybe, he had been wrong in assuming she was some type of temptress, she thought. He decided. This is a quote from her. He decided I wasn't the kind of girl he wanted to kill. The following morning Sharon got out of the car and he drove away. Sharon plan to tell the police, but by the time she walked home, she was too upset to talk about what had happened. I just fell apart, she said. I didn't know there was such an evil in the world. Because she was afraid should not report the assault. I was just a dumb kid, she said. Now. Sharon says she feels guilty thinking that she could have prevented him from eventually committing leslie and gents murders in the years that followed. So. It wasn't until Nineteen eighty-nine that Sharon told anybody about what happened to her. She I told her fiance and then later her son, who was a child at the time to convey to him that he should never take chances on strangers, and this assault really haunted her for years so as soon as she saw this mugshot. She knew it was him. Sharon said that despite the fact that decades had passed his eyes. Look the same, and she'd never forget that and she said quote I've been looking for. Those is for fifty years. And while there's no real way to really corroborate, Sharon story, the please don't really have any reason to doubt her account. Because Wall no proof in the form of public documents have surfaced. That can prove. John. GADGETRY was in Hollywood at this time. We know it's possible that he was there. Hollywood is hundreds of miles from Santa, Clara and San Mateo counties, but perhaps get true lived in Hollywood before he moved to Stanford University area, or maybe he just paid a visit to Hollywood flying under the radar, getting hired to do manual labor working as a carpenter staying at motels, people were paid cash under the table. You could rent a house for cash hotels for cash. You could give fake names everywhere you went. It's young. Jeffrey was killing women in Los Angeles. Thousand nine hundred, sixty nine. That is terrifying prospect because we know how many murders were happening here at that time will never be able to sort through all of them to figure out which one he may have committed. So the information, though that Sharon provided to the police, extremely valuable to investigators, because up until this point, they had no idea what motivated John Jetro. They want understand and analyze John. gekas impulses his motives in. Maybe just maybe if they can't understand these things about this particular killer, they may be able to unlock more cold cases that he's responsible for. and. They were deductions that we can make about John Get through when we line up his known crimes and compare them and contrast them. Now his California. Slayings were similar regarding rape and strangulation. Murder John's that we knew of Margaret Williams in nineteen sixty three. Margaret, Janet and Leslie at each been killed by strangulation with a ligature. Margaret with Pantyhose Leslie with her scarf. and Janet with the caller from her own sweater. Each young woman was a Brunette. And each was left face down outside. And John Catcher evaded capture by changing his name on a whim whenever he really needed to. And plus the whole military brat thing made him hard enough to track down, as it was, John also leveraged variables that were really symptomatic of the seventies, women didn't report rapes for a number of different reasons, and there were dozens of active serial killers in California in the seventy s and police departments weren't really communicating with one another to begin with. There's something we brought up in the last episode that we want to circle back to the irony that John. Getcha was caught essentially because of the search for GS, K, and when you look at these predators next to each other, they're glaring parallels between them. John batchelor was born in nineteen, forty, four. Just Dangelo is born in Nineteen, forty-five John Get you was a son of an army sergeant, and so as Joseph Dangelo and for a time Joseph Angelo lived on a base in West, Germany where his father was stationed, and it's rumored that Dangelo witnessed the rape. Rape of his sister at the hands of two soldiers, while living on the space in Germany, and as we know from our discussion with Barbara John also lived on a German army base as a kid where he committed his first murder, Dangelo became a cop I with the Exeter pd where he worked for three years, and the Auburn PD where he worked for one year before he was fired, and then while John. Never actually worked in law enforcement. He did become a security guard at Stanford for many years. There's also the fact in this is just wild. Joseph Dangelo John JETRO look like identical twins. If you google what they look like now, I'm like this is the same guy like it could've been. Maybe this is the archetype, though maybe the these are these guys and it's just like. This dude looks exactly like Dangelo, so how? How much her? And you know what these serial killers have. These dead is that we hear about over and over. Guys. But although Dangelo has blue eyes in this guy looks like he might have Brown, but I can't really tell in his mugshot. They looked like twins so I when I took that out I went maybe I'd filled up the wrong person and I read the name underneath and I said Oh my God. They could be druthers. Chow votes. So the police believe that John Get. You spent time working as a carpenter moving around the state. Following available work and killing along the way. And what's interesting is that that was one of the main theories about who gs K. was. And why he was moving around the state undetected. that. Maybe he was a carpenter for higher, and he was just following the work. Another big K theory prior to his capture. Was the suspect worked in the medical field because there seemed to be medical connections to each one of the murder victims. John Jrue was working as a medical tech at Stanford in the early Seventies. And it said that Leslie. Perlov and Janet. Taylor had each when patients at this medical facility. Suggesting the catcher may have stalked his victims before killing them. And we know that a large part of GSK's Mo included the element of stalking. That's how they groom people. It totally is. That's why they get those jobs there. Charity Guard at Stanford and he's in his early twenties. There's more than two girls that he killed. I'm just saying and for him not to come clean and say no I don't believe in God. Hopefully. You can have it in hell, but I wish he and he'd say before I die I. Want to tell you the truth. He won't is a pig. And I felt sorry for him. When I first of all I was shocked second of all. I thought. I wondered about him all these years, and then when I read about what he said about the women, and how they kind of came on to him, and how he's likes scouting, and then he raped this girl scout and I thought Europe pig. Die. Another shared characteristic between Gechem Dangelo is that they both operated a serial killers while posing as these wholesome family man well, a lot has been revealed John Gastro. There's so much we don't know about him. About serial killers in general, what compelled him to choose to kill one girl, but not another. And these are questions that still haunt Barbara I. don't think necessarily warn could. There's dark in there's light and I have a lot of votes if I, am sure that nature and nurture worked in common I'm sure that the human animal is very slot I'll just say that human gene pool. Coenen. I think that we rox among. Murderers. Rapists every day. I'm convinced. Some now. It wasn't like I'll never trust nat again on the other hand. I'm divorced. The idea that John JETRO could be responsible for more murders is chilling. And it's terrible. That nears past there were men who came before the John Get truce in Joseph Dangelo. Men who disguise themselves as kind, loving father figures in these men died taking these secrets to their grave, because they were so good at leading double lives in killing without drawing any attention, the truth about the cruel psychopathy were. was never revealed. These men took any hope of justice answers or closure for the families of victims to their graves with them in more time, more serial killers will be outed. Thanks to genetic genealogy technology and I think slowly. Many of us will realize that we ourselves crossed. Paths can brush shoulders with serial killers because there are likely a lot more than we think. This justice and their exposure is absolutely necessary. Our worlds are going to change with the realization that there so many more men who love to kill than we ever could have fathomed and beyond that there are a lot closer to home than we ever could have imagined. Well huge, thank you for a first degree. Barbara she is with us for the past two episodes that she's also in our facebook group. If you have a story, you would like to tell these email us. Hello. At the first degree PODCAST DOT com, you can follow us instagram at the first degree at Alexis. Linkletter Jack Vanik at Billie Johnson join our facebook group. We're talking all the true crime things and stick around because we're GONNA. Kill some time and answer your questions. And remember, and this goes out to the prison officials in Brooklyn. Only you can prevent Gill Maxwell killing yourself. And keep your friends close. Sources for today's episode includes the Newark. Advocate US military records. 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Disaster, jared. If you guys wanted to take some caffeine deals. Did you take ger? No. Jared Jared has seen the episode of say by the Ballon he knows. Today! Also the next day I wanted to play. You guys the Kanye. West Song I'm like you have to hear the new song and like you made us listen to it multiple times last night I was like oh! Yeah. You know what we deserved that I haven't had a friend. Hang in a very very long time and except Jack Forces shots on people and I've never had someone in the last five years. Suggest Tequila shots like for no reason other than just to get. We're getting. Like okay. Here's the here's the thing can normalize you know I'm a grandma I want to go to bed, but I want to be in bed by like eight pm every day and there's something about the situation of quarantine and the fact that like nobody gets to have any fun than when I have a little taste of fun I. WanNa keep going until I can't go no. Right and you did. The evening evolves where it was like he l.. Let's work on our multi record. And then the tears came, and then it was like. Let's take more shots and let's have a glass of water and then I tried once again to work on our multi-platinum record. And it didn't happen, and it didn't happen, but here's the thing I don't think that there. It's a real front. Hang unless somebody balls. There is out and then the last time that we all socially. I is the four year is out. Only someone. Billy it's your turn nights or next? Are you ready for it I don't know have to break through those barriers we will are you. Are you crier? The cry. That's what makes you. A real man is a man that could admit he cries. Jared cries all the time. Sometimes he's cried many times in front of me. So You know what you have kind kind is. You should do nothing but cry it suits. You. The is that could heal. Anything. We just a soft glance. In the right direction, you can bring happiness to anyone who receives your site. Sounds like. Can you hear me? Yes. He can I have. One of my headphones turned out. Okay so anyways the point of this killing time last week. I asked all of our first season in the facebook group. If you're not in the facebook group joined the facebook group. We are having a ball in there and I just asked you know general questions that everybody would like to know, but mostly like focused on. You know quarantine life so I think I'm GonNa Start with this first question that we have mentioned in private before, but we really gotta talk it out, and it's from Camille, and she said Billy if you had to be quarantined on an island with Jack or Alexis who it'd be and why? Will I responded in the facebook group and I'll tell you what I said I said. You would one hundred percent pick Jack. I think somebody somebody answered this, and I did see this somebody answered because she sleeps more than me, and then you'd have more alone time. They nailed it Jacko's to bed at nine. And then I would be able to be alone. From nine to like to, and then I would sleep in. Yeah, it would be. It would be Jack Jared just side behind me. 'cause arts. And, I buy off generic. Storebrand caffeine pills. Even, even if I can sleep and I'll be like Nah. Let's get this party started. Yeah, you would. You would find some weird like weed on the island. This be like this biggest like stay up for twenty four hours. Maybe be like I'm dead, thanks! Now. WHY WOULD YOU WANNA? Sleep if your dreams are just going to be nightmares? Dot needs to be on a shirt. What was why would you sleep your? Nightmares sleep if your dreams or nightmares, yeah, well. WHO Link letter. My subconscious is trying to tell me something, and it's not to go to sleep. Bitch, 'cause we'll tore my. We'll show you. Your mind what your mind does to. itself is worse than what reality does to you and say a lot because reality is not good to anybody right now. No, it's just a prison within a prison to be Nigerian. Okay. All right well. Let's move onto this next question. Wait to be stranded with a desert. I'll wait. Wait I didn't choose. I choose jared. Alexis would be on an island with you, jared. He just blew a kiss from across the room. Yeah, did he blow with his? Is People with this kind sad crying? They he'll feel better suddenly. Who would I beyond the island with? I mean I'd have to be with LAX. Just because you're my best and we've lived together before so I know that we wouldn't kill each other we. We I. Don't know I I. Don't know what kind of arguments billion I would get into if we were alone the two of us. You know. Marin we've we've never really hung on before so. Interesting, it could be really bad, but what? Let's take across trip together. That would be amazing road trip bonding experience. No one's friends after a road trip. Even your closest friends need like a two week. Break from each other after a road trip because it's just like. Everyone just feels a little sick inside of a car as baseline, you just feel a little sick. A little motion, sick, little, hot, a little a little irritable as a baseline then add somebody else feeling sick and bitching about it. And then someone being like. I paid for gas last time, and then suddenly someone's like. I WANNA go to Taco. Bell and I'm like I. Want Chicken Nuggets. Your best friend is your worst enemy. Wellman also I think the fact that a road trip has really good in theory and really bad in practice. The first hour of a road trip is amazing. Maybe Vegas and then see even road trip to Vegas three and a half hours is two and a half hours too long it is. Anytime at a car is is. Never. I hate driving. Okay, our next question is. Co it comes from autumn. She says what does something a skill. You can do now that you couldn't do before quarantine. have any of US learned a skill I started running for the first time in my life. I didn't know I could do that. Were you not a runner before at all? Now Is there hard is hard to make yourself run. Not when you're this, I'd. The endorphins, or basically like little carrot, dangling in front of you that makes. So no I'm like yes, give me the dopamine anything but this. Look! My. Similar the workout I'm doing actually incorporates leg workout, so you're not skipping leg day. I'm not skip it well. No I'm work at every day and it's forty five minutes every day. And then it actually includes like stuff as well, and it's with this like it's a video of this. Hollywood trainer guy and. That's what I've been doing for the last two and a half months. WHO's the? Halloween trainer. Dan Scardino he like He. He did like Ryan Reynolds and you Jackman like he's like the Superhero Guy. You Jackman! He does a lot of humans. Right. Jack, my skill. Is Not the same as yours. Because I I did actually work out for the first time in months this morning, so I feel very proud of myself. I am maybe I. Am a fitness enthusiasts now I don't. Know. Mine hasn't been cocktail making. Which is something us? You know I am not very. Confidence in the kitchen, even with making like Vodka Soda. So this has been a good learning experience for me and I'm making some pretty crafty cocktails. And I feel. I haven't. Really experienced the fruits of that new new talent, but I look forward to that soon. I know because every time you want a drink, just WanNa Vodka Soda and I'm like but Alexis. What about this Pampa? Moose Ginger twist. I'll Martini. was in. May has away to get me to agree to drink things that I never would normally drink. Drink like eight drinks that I would never say yes to last almost over vs who says no to your friends? Mom like you see guess. Oh, do I want more chicken and biscuits I don't like that, but yes, please another helping if it's a mom asking. Getting goes. I don't know it's just bad manners. You're always taught to be nice. Your friend's Moms so maze like I've queen. What am I gonNA? Irritate her. Never. Okay last question last question guys go now. Oh Alexis I. Just think that we need to talk about this. Really quick and it was. From Back, and she says what movies and TV shows have you been washing during quarantine and I just wanted to give a little shoutout. To the TV show married at first sight's that Alexa might have been been jailing and it's. Amazing. It. Really is what what a concept like married at first sight like. Married and then you're married. And you know what no matter what. Even if the person at the end of the aisle is good looking, they're not good looking enough because your expectations are just like you're so shocked at sensory overload, it looks so embarrassing. Everyone thinks everyone is ugly. In just like. So Weird, unless unless you're the six nine guy that turned out to be a psychopath, and then like when you're is your expectation, if reality, meet your expectations, then it's GonNa, crash and burn. You know. But everything else people stay together on that show, which is mind blowing to me, so it is, it is quite a wild ride. Will because I think the thing is about marriage like they're not saying be an. With somebody in have crazy sex in be smitten in like then have it fizzle out. That's what they're asking you to find. Their asked me to find companionship. Is You. You'RE GONNA have to have a healthy relationship and that's really hard to do. Right, but it does seem like how much okay, so they say the match people up based on this data and chat. Do you think they really do that? Or you think they're like you? Good TV, we'll. We'll say yourself. Compatible based on all these factors like or do you think they're just like now? I like. That one I'll push buttons. Let's do this is funny. I think they do that for some people for sure. There's a specific couple I. DON'T WANNA give any spoilers, but specific couple on the season that we just watched peop-. Butting heads all the time and I'm like yes. Yes Billy! Have you washed anything of note? I would watching floors lava. Floors, lavas great show to. My mindless nine. And then the new unsolved mysteries. Mysteries I really wish this is my like problem with unsolved mysteries is really wish they had a host. Yeah, you need. You need a new, Robert Stack, and Who would? That's a good question that we can end with who would be. A good. Robert Stack. See I feel like they probably could have gotten and I don't know who's GONNA come to mind, but a podcast host true crime podcast hosts would be really good. But I. Don't know which one. But they need it like that's the thing with unsolved mysteries. It was done really well, but nothing is setting that apart from any other true crime show. That's out I agree I agree. The only thing that setting it apart is the paranormal ufo type stuff. That's the only thing that it's. That's making a difference. I think it's done well so well yet, but it's it's not and obviously the reach is huge, and they're going to get a response for the the unsolved crimes which I love, but it's not breaking any new boundaries, and potentially could have, but they were just like nobody can replace Roberts stacks or does not going to do it. I was also interested. I would have thought that because I've only watched three of the episodes, but one of them that I watched was the UFO on which happened in like the sixties I think. And I would have assumed that if they're going to do unsolved mysteries way that they did it back in the day where they wanted like crowd source things to solve cases. podcast other pastas that it would be more current cases. Yes! I am now you're saying. because. That was so long ago that like what new information could you possibly get about this ufo citing in the sixties I? Hear you. But I haven't seen it yet. So I didn't chairman. It's really good is just again. It's like it's missing the unsolved mysteries -ness of the past right and that's what needs. Know, or let's call this. Time of death, fifteen o eight. People.
Tuesday, March 24, 2020
"It is an ABC news special. Kobe nineteen what you need to know from. Nbc News Headquarters here is correspondent. Aaron Katersky a new urgency. In the nation's battle against corona virus the infection rate here in New York the hardest hit state thus far is doubling every three days. There are now more than twenty five thousand cases here and governor. Andrew Cuomo said the apex of the disease was going to be higher and earlier than expected and the apex is the point where we have to be able to manage the capacity. We had projected the apex at about one hundred and ten thousand hospital beds. And that's the number. I've been talking about the new projection suggests that the number of hospitals hospital beds needed could be as high as one hundred forty thousand hospital beds. Komo chastise the federal government which to date has sent four hundred ventilators. He said the state's going to need thirty thousand ventilators in the next fourteen. To twenty one days fema is currently retrofitting a convention center where the New York international auto show should be going on into a temporary hospital with a capacity of one thousand beds the US ns. Comfort is also headed this way to alleviate the pressure on hospitals. But it's not certain to be enough another. Us Naval Floating Hospital is headed to Los Angeles. And so we bring. Abc's Alec Stone because the hospital pressure were feeling here in. New York is almost as acute in California Alex. Well that's right Aaron. Any you heard Governor Cuomo. They're talking about it. And we've heard Governor Newsom here in California talking about it but that surge that they need to surge hospital beds that's what the ships are doing coming into New York and lay. It was believed the mercy was going to go to Seattle but then governor newsom made a plea to the White House directly to President Trump. Saying la with its population that the need here could be much greater based on the the numbers if corona virus were spread as California believe could so the mercy is coming here right now left San Diego yesterday will be here on Thursday heading into port in La California ended up being the first of what are now about half the states to impose a stay at home order amid the corona virus outbreak. How's it going? Are People staying at home? Alex will you know in many ways? Yes they are that the streets are very quiet but there is an exception in California to the rule that you can exercise and what we've seen over the weekend is people said great. We can go to the beach. We can go hiking on trails around California and it jammed. Those trails jam those beaches. Then there was no social distancing because folks were altogether on those trails altogether at the beaches. And we've heard from the mayor of La. Garcetti governor newsom. They're unhappy about that. Here's the governor our behaviors and in order to meet this moment. We need to improve our behaviors. All of us young and healthy not just the most vulnerable. So what he's doing now is. He is cracking down on those. Who are going to the beach those who were going on hiking trails and he's pretty much shutting them down. He's shutting down the parking lots at state beaches. La County is doing the same county beaches and parks. The state is doing it at parks as well. So now there's nowhere to park. So they're they're telling folks don't go to the parks any longer. Go to the beaches. If you're going to exercise do it around your neighborhood. Then get back inside. They don't want to see the large groups making it a beach vacation because you're not at work. Abc's Alec Stone with us from his post in Los Angeles. We heard some of the same criticism of crowds in the park's here in New York. Alex the mayor says he is committed to keeping the parks and playgrounds open. But only if people adhere to social distancing and don't overcrowd them when people dwelling apartments they yearn to get outside. The governor has even suggested New York. Shut down some of the streets to vehicular traffic so people have more room to walk and jog. But so far The mayor is sending the NYPD into public spaces to encourage social distancing even into grocery stores and pharmacies to make sure they're keeping people six feet apart in line Illinois is another state with a stay at home order and ABC's Ryan Burrow is there. How's the compliance in your neck of the woods Brian well there was a party. That was broken up on the west side of Chicago by police. Dozens of people gathering to celebrate in. Chicago's Austin neighborhood that obviously violates the CDC recommendations as well as recommendations from the state so the police did come in and break it up and we know too that there have been some people even in the Chicago jail system that have tested positive so now there is a big concern as to the spread their they've released some people That's been a concern here as well you know. There are more than a dozen states now releasing some nonviolent offenders from the prison system as viruses thought to be particularly at risk for the prison population. Ryan. I know you were supposed to be in a couple of short months headed to Tokyo for the Summer Games. We learned that after a number of days of relentless pressure from athletes around the world. Summer Games are off. Yeah they are and I've been talking with some of the athletes about that set. Many of whom had not yet qualified. But we're in the process of qualifying and they're actually kind of relieved. They didn't know what the future would hold. Would it be equal for each of these athletes to qualify? How would they determine how they would qualify if indeed? These Olympics went off in July but most of the response. I'm getting speaking with people from from all different backgrounds. Different Sports is. They just wanted some kind of definitive answer. They didn't think this was going to be happening. They're unable to train. They're stuck in their homes and at least now they know that they can scratch July off their calendar. And just wait for the phone call. One qualifying can begin again because the plan is to hold the Olympics in two thousand twenty. One potentially yeah. We don't know if that's going to happen in the spring or summer but the I. O. C. The Tokyo Organizing Committee says that it will happen. No later than the summer of two thousand twenty one so go put a pause on it for now and and hopefully the Games will happen at some point in the next twelve eighteen months. Abc's Ryan Burrow from Chicago. Ryan thanks. I want to turn to the White House next. Abc's Karen Travers. Because the president has been talking about reopening the country even though for many states the apex of Corona virus has yet to hit. Karen is the president weighing his options. Seriously do you think this can happen soon? He seems to be full steam ahead on this. He is saying he will get Americans back to work Aaron and he's going to do it quickly. He did a town hall style event on Fox News this afternoon and he said he would love to have. The country opened up raring to go by Easter Easter. Sunday is mid April. So that's just a couple of weeks the guidelines that the president announced last week expire at the beginning of next week. Fifteen days where people are supposed to practice very strict social distancing but he for now two days has been signaling that he feels. It's time to rip the band aid in some ways and let people get back to work and he said today you can socially distance at work but just get back to work because for the president the economic damage of cove nineteen He feels is more significant is worse for the overall country than what he says. Is that the problem of the virus itself? Karen I know you've been talking to some of the experts on the Corona Virus Task Force. So they all in agreement with the president's position. They're not saying publicly if they are yesterday. The president said that he's been talking to doctors who are on his team task force doctors public health officials and he said of his plans to reopen the country. He said they're okay with it so I pushed a doctor Deborah burks. Who's the White House? Corona Virus Task Force Coordinator said just to be clear. Do you agree with that? She one of the people that is okay with it an errand she notably did not say yes or no she said the president has asked her and Dr Anthony Fauci and others to give their best medical recommendation based on data. And they'll do that next week but she was not willing to say right now if she agrees with the president's plowing forward and getting things back up and running I was struck cover. President said that the country can do two things at once. Fight Corona virus and go back to work but to too many public health officials. Those two things are not compatible. I think almost all of the public health officials who are speaking out. You can't do both things at once that what you really need to do is just have everybody do. These strict lockdowns if somebody goes to work takes. The subway has lunch near their office. They could potentially be getting or spreading the virus so in order to truly contain it it it has to be a tough short-term period and and I think that's the thing that we're hearing over the last few days is that the president is inching for a quick fix. But what his quick fix might do is prolong this problem in the country. By having people go back to work more people could get sick over a longer period of time And the tough medicine right now is to just hunker down and try and get past these next couple of weeks our White House correspondent ABC's Karen Travers. Karen thank you Sara. Lee is an ABC News. Special Kobe nineteen what you need to know. Abc News correspondent. Amy Rohbock and your questions now around this baffling global pandemic continued to pour into. Abc's chief medical correspondent. Dr Jen Ashton is standing by with more answers for all of you so Dr Jen. We'll begin with the first question. How effective and useful are homemade masks? I M seeing lots of offers for making face masks from designers to home sewers but how effective are they really short answer amy? Their effectiveness is unknown. You know from the beginning of this pandemic and outbreak. We've been saying it's just as important to say what you don't know what you do know an obviously those made it home masks are untested but when the CDC said that healthcare workers could use a Bandanna necessary. I think at this point. It's probably better than nothing. So the Rosie the riveter Ze. Yeah I give them thumbs up for helping. It's a fair answer. So this next question because it has been confusing as well as to just how long this virus can last on surfaces so the next question is with all the concerned about the virus surviving on surfaces. Should we be concerned about our food being safe if we are ordering for delivery or takeout? This is a tough one amy. Because I've thought of that myself I can tell you scientifically if there is any. Let's say the food worker coughed on your food. And then you ate it your stomach. Acid would likely kill that virus. However if you eat with your hands maybe not so much but it's a balance because you want to support these restaurants when they are really struggling right now so. I've been trying to order in just once a day just to try to keep them going the next question we have here. Are there any over the counter medications? We shouldn't be taking. I love that question. Because it's about the caution with these things that are over the counter There's so much interest right now in these alternative or complimentary supplements could protect us right now. There's no data on this so you have to remember that if something can help it can also heard there has been some very early data controversial not peer reviewed yet that Ibuprofen may cause an up regulation in one of the receptors that this virus binds to so if you have a choice between Acetaminophen Ibuprofen. Probably go with the CD hyphen but that is not peer. Reviewed recommendation yet. All right our next question. How long does the virus live on a back towel? Should we be changing it? Daily fence such a good question. They don't know yet. They've studied this in the lab last week on surfaces like stainless steel cardboard plastic and how long the particles linger in the air. The range was anywhere from three hours to three days. They don't know about money close towels so. If you're concerned wash it more when in doubt just go ahead and throw it in the laundry. All right our next question. Has anyone looked at the data from the people who regularly get the flu shot? Could this be why children seem to be less susceptible to the corona virus? I love this question because it's really how scientists think the answer is no. We haven't looked at that data yet. But basically the flu vaccine is not going to give any protection against this Corona Virus. However it may be seen that people who have been vaccinated against the flu have less chance of serious complications with cove nineteen. But we don't know that's why we need that data to come out on our. Us cases we do have some good news out there right now. Dr Jan about testing more and more tests are becoming available. Tell us about it so I want you to think of testing amy kind of two problems one is that we need to test as many people as possible as we heard kind of in the beginning of this outbreak. That's how South Korea was so effective in flattening their curve. The other side is that testing usually uses up valuable resources like personal protective equipment and exposes healthcare workers to risk so they're kind of seemingly at odds to each other but here's some really good news yesterday. The FDA approved one of the first self swabs. That's going to be coming out literally any day. Now which is going to enable people to swab themselves protect. The healthcare workers conserve those. And then something called point of. Care testing. That's going to be almost like a pregnancy test. You'll be able to get a little finger prick of blood. Get the results back in fifteen minutes. We're going to start to see dat rolled out soon and then you may have heard serology testing. That's a blood test to look for. Antibodies to know if we've been exposed so we need to really dive deep in this testing so can get a good grip on this virus right because so many people are as symptomatic and yet could spread the disease to people who are much more susceptible to serious conditions. And so by what you just said. It sounds like in a perfect world. Everyone would have either one of these tests available to them. Well certainly if you live in a hot spot or if you have mild symptoms and right now. The people with mild symptoms are being told. Just stay home. No test and Dr Jen. We should mention you are on official self quarantine now so tell us how that is going for you. I Miss You But obviously we're connected electronically at the end of last week. I had a mild headache. And that's very unusual for me so I decided to stay home over the weekend out of an abundance of caution and then yesterday while working from home I was notified that someone with whom I had prolonged close contact was diagnosed with corona virus so now following the recommendations which is really hard core vigorous self quarantine for a total period of fourteen days since my last contact with that person. So what does that mean? I'm not leaving my apartment. No one's coming in. I have been in close contact with my kids for the past week end. All of us are fine. Thankfully we don't have any symptoms. So not really distancing myself in my home But Yeah I'm on lockdown for another week yes as are so people so we certainly wish you the best and hope that you are going to be okay as everyone else's but with so much unknown right now Dr Jen. Is there anything we be doing that? That's known to be effective to boost our immune systems. You know you and I talk about this all the time. Amy The best things you can do all the time and especially now get seven to nine hours of sleep. Wash your hands as much as possible and exercise if it is possible. Depending on where you are has been shown to boost the immune system and has been associated with lower chance of various upper respiratory infections. So I'm doing pushups in my apartment because I can't leave for the next week by exercises really really important all right so I'm going to challenge you to that push challenge that we've all been challenging each other around social media all right Dr J. Awesome. Thank you and if you have any questions for Dr Ashton send them to her instagram at Dr J. Ashton in the meantime we turn now to. Abc's Rachel Scott. These are some of the developments that we are watching right now. Officials in Wuhan China the epicenter of the global outbreak announcing it will lift its lockdown on April eighth allowing transportation to resume those easing restrictions. Are after new infections. Dropped to zero last week and back here at home. Airlines continue to cut flights flight aware now reporting volume is down forty eight percent as of this past Sunday but gun. Sales are spiking even higher. Colorado officials reporting twenty five thousand background check requests last week alone. That's a two hundred and twenty seven percent hike and now let's get to concerns rising over scams promising quick results on corona virus tests. Abc's Pierre Thomas with more on the warnings from the FBI. The Kuroda virus pandemic is bringing out the best in many Americans but unfortunately it's revealing the worst in other people specifically criminals who are trying to prey on. Us consumers if you want to receive a free testing can't livered overnight to your home. Press these calls about the corona virus or all the more sinister because they appear to be so helpful to consumers advertising free test kits but with a fee for only seventy nine dollars our highly trained technicians. We'll do a full air duct cleaning and sanitation to make sure the air you breathe. It's free of bacteria the problem. The federal government says they're all fake scams designed to steal your money and give you nothing what he's warning that potentially thousands could be targeted the FBI another federal agency seeing a surge in these types of scams. The last thing the American people need in the middle of this pandemic is criminals. Trying to take advantage of them and profit off their concern. And it's not just robocalls. The Justice Department has shut down a website offering vaccine kit for shipping charge of just four ninety five. The problem is no such vaccine exists. All Right Pierre Thomas Thank you. That's the latest from here aiming back to you Rachel thank you and when we come back. The major company adding workers while many others stall what one? Cbs Executive tells us right here about its plans to expand. New Hires plus divorce parenting in pandemics. A real steps you can take to bring the stress level down. We'll be back in just a moment. You're listening to an ABC news special. Kobe nineteen what you need to know once again. Here's ABC. News correspondent Amy Rohbock. The Corona virus pandemic has many families restructuring their daily lives and for those who co parent. It can be especially complicated when everyone is asked to stay home. Psychiatrist Janet Taylor is here to give us some tips on how to navigate co-parenting during these very untraditional times in Dr Taylor. I know you're co-parenting right now. So tell us how you're coping. Well exactly co-parenting is a challenge in the best of times but the key and as you mentioned I'm divorced myself is really think about communicating in the spirit of cooperation for the being of your child or children. So how do you do that? You focus on making them understand that no matter what. The state is of your current relationship. You're keeping them. I you also are willing to exchange schedules and ask your partner. How what help. They need acknowledged them. And see how you can truly be better together even though you are apart and with all this anxiety and fear circling The situation and yes Divorce even in the best of circumstances is trying trying to juggle schedules. How can parents maintain that schedule for their kids? I'm curious during this crisis because especially if we're worried about transferring germs or going from one home to the next. That's a potential nightmare. Well it is a nightmare so then you think about care right and so be aware of where your children are going and if your partner says you know. What kind of exposures do they have? This is not the time to pick fights but to be honest and thoughtful about minimizing that exposure. So if there's a situation where maybe if you've been exposed or they've been exposed and your schedules have to change that. You can work with that and not picking and point about that so it really is about being thoughtful in your interactions and keeping the children. I yes I'm divorced as well. My Ex husband lives out of state and my daughter's had a scheduled visit with them that we both decided was best that they stay home. Sometimes one parent has to make the sacrifice knowing that it's in the best interest of the larger group but it's not always easy for people to be that person who makes a sacrifice. What are your tips for those parents and those types of situations? We'll avoid keeping it personal and I understand that anx- anxiety even anger but sometimes relief at being away from that relationship but to really focus and think about it's about making decisions together. If you have an altar schedule make you can make it up later and you can stay connected using social media. This may be a time. Where if you're the custodial parent and in charge of homework you're tired. Maybe you can dial in that other person and let them monitor. Virtually actually. I've said this. With all of my family members. It feels as though we're seeing each other more often than typical because we are checking in so I would imagine a good tip would be for the other parent to have a scheduled facetime visit if you hadn't before do it now if you're the every other if you're Every other weekend maybe check in once a day now and spend twenty thirty minutes on facetime with your children exactly you can have a covert one thousand nine check in where you can include the other parent talk about what concerns. Your kids have talked about any updates and fears. They have and it's important for our children to know that. Even though we may have had a disagreement may be divorced or separated. There are ways to work through the emotions and it can be a healthier outcome for everyone. I agree Dr Janet Taylor as always incredible advice. Thank you so much for your time. Cvs Health has announced. It is looking to hire fifty thousand new employees across the country and here to tell us more about the expansion is chief policy and external affairs officer of CVS health. Tom Moriarty. Welcome Tom. Thank you for being with us. This is pretty good news for a lot of people. You're beginning to embark on the most ambitious hiring drive in your company's history. Fifty thousand new hires so tell us what some of the positions are. You're looking to fill and how people can apply for them if I paid me. Thank you for having me. It is an important announcement on our part and since the crisis has begun. We've we've thought every day about what we can be doing for patients in the customers reserve and the difference that we make and as as the pandemic has moved through We're seeing growing need for additional employees across our enterprise and so The job announcements we made yesterday the fifty thousand positions were looking to fill immediately. They will go across our entire enterprise including both our pharmacies in stores are call centers at our warehouses solving for inventory as well as other frontline individuals to help us address. This both on a permanent and temporary basis. All right good and that inventory is a big topic because we keep seeing panic about essential supplies and personal protective equipment. They're unavailable in a lot of places so how. Cvs getting that much needed supplies to stores for employees and customers. We've been working since the start to address the situation. We're working with our suppliers across the country to try to address the needs that we have as well as the needs of our customer and so we've been prioritizing the harder hit areas With with this equipment our goal is to continually roll this out and provide our pharmacists and our colleagues at the front lines with the equipment that they need to protect themselves and their families and this is pretty impressive. You opened up a testing site at your location in Massachusetts where employers are now doing the actual testing. So what else can you tell us about that site? And if their plans to open any more sure and it really was designed as just one of many alternatives and options to try to get testing out there more quickly and we've dedicated that site to first responders and healthcare workers to give them the knowledge the comfort that they need to know whether or not they have tested positive and their ability to continue helping in this situation. So we're working very closely Again with FEMA and the Public Health Service as well as the governor's across the State and is commendable and incredible that you guys have already done as much as you have. I do have a question though because a lot of people rely on. Those monthly prescriptions to be filled. Has there been a run on. Medications will customers be able to continue to get those prescriptions? Well Amy when when this first broke we did? We did a number of things to make sure we had access to medications first off. We waved and he's delivery charges for home delivery we've provided refills on ninety day prescriptions and waved any restrictions associated with that. We've also advanced wave COPAYS AT AETNA for telemedicine services and what we've seen is almost two hundred percent increase in telemedicine visits. We've seen over almost four hundred percent increase in home deliveries and so from supply situation. Roughly ninety percent of all dispensing in this country generic medications and we are the largest because of eventually did with cardinal the largest sourcing company of generics and so with that size with that scale. We've been able to really plan ahead here. We are seeing spikes in some of the medicines that have been talked about as potential Heavy potential efficacy against Kobe. Nineteen and what you're seeing is the number of states now putting in what are called quantity limits or requiring positive diagnosis for covert before. Those prescriptions can be dispensed because those medicines have real uses for other conditions and we need to make sure the they remain available to treat those conditions as well so across the board we'd been integrated with public health officials in addressing the supply situation. Well thank you for what you've done and what you continue to do. Tom Moriarty thank you so much for joining us. While the number of corona virus cases continues to rise here in the US the number of outbreaks in China thankfully has dropped dramatically as that country begins to loosen restrictions on public gatherings and seeks a return to normalcy. It does beg the question. What does life after Cova? Nineteen look like well joining us now to talk about her. Experience is registered nurse and Chinese resident. Kate she cape those. Thanks so much for being with us this afternoon and I wanNA start before we talk about what life is like. Now can you give us some background? About what your life has looked like over these past several weeks. Hi Amy Thank. You have me here of course Doing the outbreak I was at homeless parents in their apartment I was visiting the For the chance holiday then they found out that couldn't leave to return to work so I spend almost three weeks that home with them. I think the biggest challenge at that time was to make them compliant. They did not believe it. I Mehdat. Especially he kept telling me. How can you control me? I WANNA go out. I need to walk the dog. I need to go to the shops. But after a while because we were seeing all those stories on the news and start realizing how how bad things were in hand we got scared of coming in contact with this virus than the we just kind of stay home. Tom Shaw though. We do not have the lockdown like handed. We were strongly encouraged to stay home for us long as we so. You self quarantined with your parents for about three weeks. Which is what a lot of us are facing now these in home challenges. How did you pass the time? What advice can you give us Americans on what to do with all of this time with one another in a small space Matt Parents apartment was quite small and I think I that what I had to do was to adjust my mindset? Having to stay at home does not mean that I lost my freedom or have lost my control over my life and actually means I consciously make a decision to protect myself and my family from this virus but after I get these Oliver Way at things became easier. I plan my day. Go Bill hours like I normally do things in the apartment even learned to play a musical instruments which I still play factors today made a hobby out of it though I also excise using the online videos that are allowed fouled it all of it. No work out be deals. I interact a lot with parents to advantage of the time that I had with them. We headed these casual hour after dinner where we played cards. There were a lot of laughter's it was actually quite nice. My mom watched tongue of cooking shows and she made a lot of dishes food out of the things we had. I love it please skills. You're learning to actually welcome the time with your family. I want to ask you now that the curve is flattening. Their people are returning to work. What is it like? They're in China. Have things gotten back to normal astle today? Most of the businesses have reopened. Lots of people going back to work like they normally do people are getting out on the streets Some businesses have just recently opened like the malls restaurants though they only deliveries very few of them. Allow you to eat. But they definitely are on the rise of reopening business to flick on supermarkets woman's Day stay never shut down because they were considered essential but they did cut their hours At these points I wouldn't say that things are two percent back to normal but we've definitely well. I'll be there well. That is certainly welcome news for those of us who are several weeks behind you. Thank you so much for being with us. We appreciate your time. Kate thank you for project. My thank you all right. We got some final thoughts. Now from Dr Jen Ashton. A couple of things that. I'm looking at today. First of all good news about testing. They're going to be point of care. Tests with results back in fifteen minutes serology hopefully soon and more home test coming literally days weeks very very soon so I think that's really important on the data front. We have some really good news released yesterday. By Dr Burks in the Task Force there have been no deaths due to corona virus in children under the age of fifteen in Europe and only one death under that age group in China so again more good news for the pediatric population. And then finally. I'm leaving you today. Amy Yesterday was three as today is three S.'s. Number One. We continue to learn more and more about this virus and since data drives decisions. That's really important to share. Share your feelings. This is a stressful time. We all need to get these feelings out. And you probably know what the third SS amy social distancing. It's not easy but it's really important in flattening that curve no and we appreciate all the advice and and all of the good news that you've brought us today. Dr Jen Ashton. Thank you gone so We are bringing a concert favourite to you. We are calling. It are stay at home. Sing along a joining us from his home. We have singer songwriter and musician. Rob Thomas Rog. Were so excited. You're with us today. We hope you and your family are holding up well during this quarantine and I know you were one of the very first artists to share a performance online while those of us are staying at home so what are you hoping will take away from these many performances. Use this technology that we've had that when we had the liberty of being able to to physically be around each other all the time. It was almost like these technologies were wedge in between that connection and now that we can't physically get together. This technology is actually something that kind of socially brings us together in a way you can take us away from all of the virus talk for just a little bit and sometimes just a little bit is a lot in these days so I know everyone out. There is anxious to hear you perform so I'll let you take it away here with the song can't help me now rob Thomas Soleil saws heavy. Can't hide you already Dune steady. You don't even WanNa be here. Who Ukraine not far less China. It's funny how word might Save Your Life. I'm saying I love reading now but I don't WanNA fight not all wanna cry out all leave at all. Be here be him now. There's a bad taste in my mouth. How stobhill tripping heart is gonNA leave a mark? Maybe we could stay away. He your WHO spokesman down. Even you can help me now. I can't help side highway. Drive home fuse all sideways. No signs head case. I'm alone off few. You feel you'll now hidden down. I can't remember who you feel left. Caller starred in we'll so more down the adult WANNA fade out although the cry out all leave at all. Be here be here now. There's a bad taste in my mouth. Trivial heart is leaving arc. Stay out your the one that talks been down can have noun. Were all right. We don't have a lot of people in the studio. But we're all clapping. And you just helped Rob Thomas. Thanks so much and be well. That's our program today Roebuck. Thanks for listening to. Abc News Honored Winner of four and Edward R murrow awards. 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Wednesday, May 27, 2020
"Abc's Aaron Katersky and this is bringing America back. What you need to know food courts are open again at the malls in Texas. Water parks reopened. Friday you can start making haircut appointments in Washington. Dc Houses of worship reopened in Los Angeles and after two months of forced closure. Long Island begins a phased reopening leaving New York City. The only part of the state still under full stay at home restrictions. Construction Manufacturing and kerbside retail can begin places like Westhampton Beach Village. Main Street was repaved. And replanted in anticipation of a busy summer corona virus. Change that I found Liz lambrechts accepting deliveries at our men's clothing shop impulse for men curbside retail. What what exactly is that? If you have a what Sei presence somebody can come and pick it up and you can bring to their car. Is that going to make any difference to you me? No no because if I have a website. Why not ship it so for me? It doesn't make a difference. That's for me so I will abide by the letter of the law and when I can open I will be open. How's it been very quiet? I was out here on Friday and Saturday. I've been here for thirty one years so for Memorial Day weekend. It's very very very quiet. People are going to come into town until you know all the stores are able to be open where you can walk into a store or you can come in and start. Dining I mean that would be optimum but that obviously isn't going to happen for a while as well because that's a different phase you have stock. I'm very cranky about not being open. You know I've lost all of April. I've lost all of. May I lost Memorial Day weekend? So I'm hoping because I'M A men's clothing store that I can be open for father's Day and it's a very short season from Memorial Day to Labor Day sixteen weeks so every week counts in a town like this resort town and resort town in the northeast. Absolutely you have all your workers were house now. I do not. I do not so once I can bring back employees then as you look up and down the street. Can you tell you who's GonNa make it and WHO's not now? I hope we all do. I'm in town. Just got redone so as you can say town is beautiful so this was supposed to be an amazing summer so we're hopefully going to salvage whatever we can and hopefully the people that are here. Come OUT AND SUPPORT US. But you know what? I can't feel sorry for myself because there is I. I'm I'm one of how many people you know. We got hit very very hard and I don't think we expected it to be this bad this long but here we are and we're going to try to make the best of it. It's going to be an odd summer absolutely but hopefully we have a little bit of normal. I don't know what that is. Liz lambrechts at her store. Impulse for men in Westhampton beach before schools reopened. Educators are trying to resolve a seemingly endless set of questions. How do you transport kids on a bus? How do you configure classrooms? Can you serve lunch? Is there recess? We'll teachers come back. We'll students. Tom Scott is the executive director of the Massachusetts Association of school superintendents. And he's part of a group now drafting reopening guidelines for the state safe to say Tom. Corona virus has permanently altered public education in this country. Yeah I don't think there's a question that we're in this for a fairly long term period you know from all indications that we're probably looking at something that could be six months maybe a year of some some aspect of Having to reconfigure how how we work and how we educate. So we're we're in this for a long term. Is Everything on the table. I think it is. I think what we've we've come to realize here. Is that the normal way that we operate in schools. doesn't fit any of the knowledge that we have right now about safety within this this period the virus so. I think that the way we think about how kids get the school. I think the way we think about how his entered the school. How youngsters are placed within a classroom recognizing that we can't have classrooms where they used to be in terms of the numbers of children the way in which peas and other safety measures are conducted recess. Lunch we're beginning to formulate ways of approaching this but we're dealing. We're doing it at a time when when no one has any playbook to work from. There's just nothing to draw from Tom. How concerned are you about teachers? And whether they will actually return. Usa Today published to poll that one in five teachers said they will not return to a classroom. Even if it reopens in the fall. I mean I think that's a real concern. I refute that statistic. I I don't I don't think that that's Out of the realm of possibility. You know you have to think about it from the standpoint of You know our population of teachers who may who may be in the more Vulnerable Age Category. The number of educators who perhaps Have some sort of a health compromised condition or that live in homes where that also may part of their equations that they have to work with the other. Obvious concern is the number of teachers who perhaps don't want to take any risk in who say maybe it's time for me to retire. You know also have to deal with the number of Children who for a variety of reasons including parental decision? That they don't WanNa take any element of risk. We're going to have to think about what the alternatives are for but both of those populations the teachers and students. We'd oftentimes talk about sort of a blended approach you know brick and mortar and a continuation of remote learning that we're GONNA have to get refine and develop even more remote. Learning is going to be part of children's lives for the foreseeable future. I don't see how we avoided. You know where we're certainly not going to have. Everyone returning and the element of this did we have to sort of prepare for is what happens in that. Period of time between School opening in August and September And what happens over the succeeding number of months whether that's four or five months or that's better part of the year. Whatever the health and science is telling US So if we're looking at different rolling Spikes of of Crow Virus. Where we have to adapt and adjust as we go along. We're going to have to have alternativists prepared for that. I think we have to be prepared for remote learning in a number of different You know innovations Tom. Scott at the Massachusetts Association of school. Superintendents Disneyworld will reopen to the public in mid-july Disney the parent company of ABC News announced plans for a phased reopening and Florida of the Magic Animal Kingdoms Disney Chief Bob Shape to ABC's Rebecca Jarvis explaining how the company picked July Eleventh. Well it's really a function of working backwards in terms of all the things that now that we can sort of forecast for we're going to be in terms of covert situation. How much time we need to open up responsibly and our procedures will have to change dramatically. There's going to be a lot more training a lot more sanitation a lot more hygiene and of course social distancing and theme Parks Disney theme. Parks are very well planned out as you know in terms of trying to make sure that we can handle guests in a way that's going to create those magical memories and when something changes substantively as six foot social distancing. Us essentially have to reengineer your people part of the business. And that's what we're going to be doing and we're also going to be introducing a brand new reservation system so these things take time and what we WANNA do is get it right. The first time make steady progress and eventually be able to accommodate more guests in the way that they're accustomed to the the plan also talks about these five distinct safety protocols. How different is the park going? Look when visitors enter now. Will you see a lot more areas that are taped off that are going to specify what six feet actually looks like in the park? And so that'll be a little bit different far guest but it's going to be necessary because this is going to really require a consortium of cooperation if you will between not only the park Cast but also our guest be and both are going to have to work together. And we're going to have you know. Squads that are out there sort of making sure that the social distancing is going to be what it needs to be but it really is going to be a lot easier and I must say that are cast and our guest in Shanghai have done a tremendous job of all cooperating in terms of making sure that we keep social distancing there. I'm sure we'll get the same cooperation here. In the states there are certain areas inside of Disneyworld that are the iconic shots. The pictures that every single family wants to get will as the actual goal of getting that perfect shots can actually you because there's going to be a lot less heads in the way as you take that picture of that castle what's going to look? Different is going to be the meet and greets because we're not going to have at least in the beginning meet and greets where you're gonna get up close and personal with the princes. Say the princess will be at a distance. And they'll do sort of a cavalcade will the wave. And we'll have an event mini event around that. But because of the six foot social distancing that we're living with we're not GONNA be able to have some of those up close and personal events so that's really the close up picture of the Princess's the one that might have to go by the wayside at least for the short term Disney CEO Bob with Rebecca Jarvis. I'm Aaron Katersky now. Over to amy robot. Thank you Erin. Joining me now is. Abc News Chief. Medical correspondent. Dr Jen Ashton and Dr Jen. We've been talking about this. We've heard men are at higher risk of complications from covid. Nineteen but looking more at this distinction. What do we know about this gender discrepancy? Well we're learning more about it and we're at a stage right now. Amy where. We're kind of at a lull because this has been going on for a few months so now is the time to do the deep dive on the medicine. So here's what we know. At this point about gender differences men and women are equal risk of getting infected with covert nineteen but every age group men face twice the risk of death compared to women so that is a startling disparity and so then the next question is why. Why could that be the theories right now? Really are still of course just theories in terms of possible explanations number one we have to look at women. Does estrogen protect them compared to him? And then if you switch the perspective a little bit. Is there a difference in the immune system? We know that women can have a more robust immune system putting them at higher risk for autoimmune diseases but then if you look from the male perspective do certain things with their behavior like increased risk of smoking high blood pressure hypertension. Does that put them? At greater risk and is there an actual difference in terms of the molecular risk east to receptors that the CO virus attached to are there places in the body in the testes for example that placemen at higher risk for becoming infected all of these theories at this point? Or what are we still need to figure out well? First of all at the basic level why does covid nineteen effect men differently than it affects women? And then of course as you've heard me say once you identify someone a group at greater risk. Should the treatment be tailored differently? That that's always a really important issue to address and then because the CDC has not totally tracked male versus female cases and deaths. We need to see what the true rates of male serious diseases For in nineteen deaths compared to women all of that still to be determined. All Right Dr. You'll be back just a bit. Puerto Rico has had its fair share of difficulties during this pandemic. It has struggled to get food supplies and test and so is the. Us territory starts to slowly reopened now. The question of what the future Puerto Rico looks like. It's now up for debate here to discuss. This is the mayor of San Juan Carmen. Ulan crews thank you so much for being with us and we want to start by talking about Puerto Rico. It began opening some businesses this week. The governor saying it's the right time the island has flattened the curve of cases. Would you agree with that? The governor doesn't know what she's saying because she doesn't have the data to do it just like the trump administration has failed to have no strategy for testing and contact tracing the Republican governor. Puerto Rico has done exactly the same. It has been up to the cities to do contact tracing and it has been up to the city's to do testing as of yesterday in San Juan. We had on four thousand six hundred ninety one tests of molecular testing. We don't do any of the rapid testing. We do only molecular testing. And that's out of a three hundred twenty thousand people so that's not nearly enough that as the cost about one million dollars. The government of Puerto Rico has established some testing procedures. But they have all gone awry yesterday. The Department of Health of Puerto. Rico had to occult recall some rapid tests because they were deemed not approved by the FDA. That means that more that six thousand people are going to have to be retested. If we're taking this seriously Azov this warning. The government of Puerto Rico says that four hundred eighty two people in San. Juan have been tested but as a mayor I have asked asked and Just complained literally that we don't know if the numbers of our testings or the numbers of the veterans that are in the veteran hospital that are in San. Juan are counted or the people that are coming from outside of Puerto Rico that are tested at the airport and given an honor system. They have to stay home for fourteen days. Those are counted. We have no information about that. We have sixty thousand on employment petitions all over Puerto Rico that have not been processed. So what had happened is that this crisis is really unveil the inequalities and the discrimination political discrimination racial discrimination wealth. Discrimination I am. Concerned got in the absence of a comprehensive plan. The governor of Puerto Rica is weaponized the lockdown a lot of protests. People want to protest what she's not doing right but you see everyone has to be at home at seven o'clock and up to last. Sunday people weren't supposed to be out except that she went out to open the political campaign site for own political party so she broke the curfew. She does not pay attention to her own medical force which actually have not updated the data from May eighth so so it is On top of the pandemic on top of the earthquakes on top of what we're still dealing in the aftermath of Hurricanes Irma. We now have an incompetent government in Puerto Rico that took weeks to give out the twelve hundred dollars of the federal eight when you are unable to give out money that you have been given to give away. Then you have taken really incompetent still the highest level. And I'll give you this data point out of the twelve thousand two hundred million dollars received by the government of Puerto Rico because of the cares act only one hundred million is been distributed to the municipalities. Who are the ones we are the ones taking up the load and picking up the load of the incompetence of the Central Government and Mayor? You alluded to this hurricane season as you know is just about here. In fact we already have a be named storm in the Atlantic and Puerto Rico still recovering from Hurricanes Maria you mentioned Irma and a string of recent earthquakes. Now Co vid. You've spoken about crafting. A new reality for Puerto Rico when crises like this hit and aid is needed. What do you think that should look like for the people you serve will first of all we? We cannot go back to normal because normal west problem One of the things is we have been doing this in San Juan all throughout the city putting together what we call centers for community transformation and those centers for community. Transformation will in the coming. Two weeks be uploaded and gifted with water with medical supplies with food in order to last those communities for one month we even have one that is mobile. We can move it from one place to the other and next week. We're getting also Portable showers why because we are concerned that with the COVID situation people want may not be able to run into a refugee sides. Just like we did before. San Juan hosted the largest refugee side. And we call them refugees. Because we're running from something in all of Puerto Rico. Close to eight hundred people. That site is now gonNA be divided into two sites and we have to make sure that we have enough. The thing is seamus still does the municipality of someone two point seven million dollars that distribution of money was given to the central government again. They're weaponising for political reasons. Females already audited the amount now the government of Puerto Rico wants to re audit the amount and if it was good enough for female and females pain for those auditors. Should be good enough for the government of Puerto Rico. Something number one. We have really taken the time in this Three years to drive down the age so that we cannot get somewhere in a month's time that people in the community are ready to distribute an organized that number to all of our health facilities. We have nine facilities in San Juan plus our municipal hospital there now outfitted with generators and water sisters so we are in a better position to deal with. This thing is that we need a lot more. Kobe testing molecular testing soon enough now quest diagnostics. Dust the testing in Puerto Rico and processes attesting Puerto Rico. So we can have it in twenty four hour worse for people that are not in the hospital and within the same day for people that are. In the hospital there are some advancements but right now all of the municipalities that are struggling for money of course our income is down just like everybody and we have a fiscal control. Board that is imposing Less money knowing that sixty five percent of Puerto Rico and surpluses the money that is given put an account Puerto Rico has about fourteen thousand million dollars in one account waiting to pay bondholders bondholders. That spends sense in the Puerto Rican mark in the now. Want to be paid dollars for the sense that they spend it's time for justice to prevail and it's time for the people of Puerto Rico to be treated with justice dignity and speaking of that one last thing my heart goes out to the people in Minnesota that are thriving in fighting not for the people in Minnesota and to to really make justice prevail in the deaths of of an unfortunate situation And we all have to take me and we all have to stand up and speak up against discrimination. That takes the lives off mostly people of Color and the African American Latino community. We know you are fighting for everyone there especially in San Juan San Juan Mayor Carmen. You Link crews thank you for your time today. We appreciate it. Thank you all right. Still Ahead here on what you need to know techniques for keeping the peace when you're parenting in this pandemic stay with us. There's not a person in America who hasn't been impacted in some way by the coronavirus pandemic but at every community. There are pockets of people who are suiting up every day. Mundane seven district. These are America's essential workers the people who are keeping our world moving to drop off produce for one of our tenant and now in a new podcast from ABC News. You're going to hear from them in their own words. But there's always a risk that I could bring this home to my kids or my husband or my parents. This is the essentials inside the curve. Listen ON APPLE PODCASTS? Repave PODCAST APP. Welcome back to what you need to know. We have Dr Jen Ashton here in the House and Dr Jen. We know that may is mental health awareness month and this is an issue near and dear to your heart you and your family survivors of a family suicide and we are seeing unfortunately some disturbing trends here in this pandemic era that we're living in and we were. We've been talking about this for a while. There has been a fear from the beginning of this pandemic that a second pandemic will be a mental illness. Cray says we already know that suicide. is a major killer in this population. Two thousand seventeen forty seven thousand Americans die by suicide and this pandemic can actually trigger this feeling of hopelessness from anyone and put people at greater risk so some statistics that really caught my eye here in California. Some doctors reporting. They've seen more deaths from suicide than due to covid. Nineteen however on the flipside some some data out of Colorado showed a forty percent decrease in deaths from suicide during March and April but any a forty eight percent increase in calls to crisis centers. So the good news that is the people need to know there is hope and help available that one. Eight hundred two seven three talk crisis line is available. Twenty four seven and that literally can make a difference. This is a very stressful but temporary situation. I'm giving people the opportunity to talk about how they're really doing in real terms not the instagram version. That sometimes we see. Rain has a huge impact. Yeah and you and I were just saying the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention. Has this social media campaign Hashtag Real Combo which I think is great I know of two people who have died by suicide in just the last week This can happen to anyone circle so talk to people ask for help to very very important things and know that help is out there right or sorry for those who suffer from Claustrophobia. Do you have any suggestions on what we can do when we cannot wear a mask while? I'm one of those people even though I don't have a problem with a surgical mask. I can absolutely relate to this. This is really common You know obviously no formal recommendations but I would say number one experiment try different fabrics. Try DIFFERENT STYLES. Try Different Fits do it? Gradually there's no reason you have to go from zero to sixty overnight And understand that this is unchartered territory. So we have to get used to this new Pattern of behavior and some of it absolutely can be really hard. If it's not the fogging glasses it's that sense of not being able to breathe in. That can be a real issue exactly especially as the temperatures have gone up. I've noticed it getting harder absolutely makes sense all right next question. Shared Bikes have become a very popular mode of transportation. How high is the risk of transmission from using these bikes number? Obviously they having studied this in a laboratory setting but this is a real issue so I would say number one. This is a great example of where you want to carry those wipes in your pocket and clean off. The handlebars really really well. And this is one of the exceptions amy Where I actually think it is appropriate to wear gloves while. You're writing those bikes. Because your hands will be on the handlebars the entire time. They're not going to be touching your face. They're not going to be touching your phone or your keys and then as soon as you stop riding the bike you can take those gloves off so I think the cleaning and the hand protect news appropriate. That's that's a great tip all right Speaking of surfaces has there been any research as to how long the virus lives on specific services. For example. Does it stay longer on would versus glass. We could talk the entire hour about just this area of research so a couple of important points number one. The published data there have been a big article in the Lancet also in the New England. Journal of Medicine Remember. Those are approximate times under laboratory conditions. So not real life environmental conditions but some numbers to jump out at you on paper on average. This virus can survive up to about thirty minutes on would up to about a day on average on cloth about a day inside of ask up to four days and on the outside of a mask. Interestingly found under laboratory conditions up to seven days. So here's the bottom line. This is evolving science. This is being tested in a lab. Different than real life situations The major route of transmission we heard the CDC emphasize this last week is via respiratory droplets. That doesn't mean that contact exposure or foam transmission is zero but it means keep cleaning and try to live as possible under moderate kind of environment and behavior. It's difficult. We can't sterilize environment. No it's impossible to do it all right next question and I actually am really. Here's to hear the answer on this one. Will there be any changes to the process of receiving flu? Shots this fall. This is an incredibly brilliant and insightful question. Because we're already starting to see some glimmers of flu vaccine drug drugmakers making an early and aggressive. Push about getting their vaccine out there right now. We don't know what that will look like. I would be willing to make an informed. Professional medical guests that we will see an early and vigorous encouraging Kind of campaign to get people vaccinated. Maybe even a little earlier this year because we don't want people dealing with influenza and Covid nineteen same time it does not sound like a good combination are Dr Jen. Thank you so much and you can submit questions to Dr Jen on her instagram at Dr. J. Ashton well. Nobody's said listening to bickering was any fun. But one thing quarantine can offer is the time to teach your kids how to get along joining us now to help give strategies to help our kids get along at all. Ages IS PSYCHIATRIST. Dr Janet Taylor and so Dr Taylor. Thanks so much for joining us and kids often learn how to deal with conflict at school but now with remote learning. It's a little bit more challenging. Can you talk us through your strength based approach when you're dealing with your kids at home well sure as you mentioned? Our schedules are disrupted. And they are witness to our own dysfunction in distress so when you're disciplined than them which we know you have to discipline them. You want to start with a positive like I think. I like the way you did this. But now let's think about how you can stop yelling or you know if not tolerated hitting someone so that you really start them off with something positive think about before you instill something else. I love this one. Make everyone responsible. That's right shared accountability. So they get to know that if one does something no one does anything and it can just make them more aware of what they're doing so they can start nudging their sister brother to behave in a different way before they lose all of their privileges. All right and then you say to listen observe and intervene but what we WANNA do is not punish our kids because punishment is inflicting pain. You want to discipline them. Which means you teach them so. Let them try to resolve things in the in which means instead of intervening and saying. Stop this or stop that observe. Listen take a breath yourself and then say what happened. What happened to each child and and try to see if they can come up with a compromise so they can learn how to resolve conflict on their own. Because that's really the key that you want them to do all right. I'm going to ask you a personal question. So here's something I've done because my daughter's are sharing a room where we are and When they start fighting I make them do jumping. Jacks and then they start laughing and then somehow the tensions released is that good parenting bad parenting. I don't know it sounds like perfect. Parenting this humor is good and a little bit of discomforts. Okay and many times amy. Our kids expect us to intervene anyway. So now they'll be looking for you to come in and get them to do jumping. Jacks jumping jacks. I just want you ought to try it. It makes everybody laugh and physical outlet helps get rid of some of that anger all right. We always appreciate your insight and your expertise Dr Janet. Taylor thank you so much for being with US thank you. Many people around the country have really stepped up during these times to give back and help the community one family in particular. Despite all they've been through has made it their mission to donate masks and raise money for local nonprofits joining us. Now is the heart of that incredibly kind family. Kate how okay. Thank you so much for being with us today and tell me how your family got started making masks and donating them. Well I guess like most people across the United States. We were looking for masks for our families and weren't able to find any and my niece heard that a local Ambulance Squad was requesting forty mass so she called her mother and said Hey mom. Since you're a quilter and you have fabric. You think you could make some face masks. And of course her mom said yes and she called me and we got started and then People heard what we did and they started asking for mask for themselves and we talked about it and decided we were not gonNa make money on this. We were GONNA make mask and donate them to anybody that wants. Wanted THEM SO As we did people were insisting that they donate some money to us or give us money for whatever we needed and started there. We're now up to three thousand dollars. We donated to Six different Nonprofits in our area and were working on the seventh. So we feel real good about you should and you've donated every penny you've gotten. I know when I understand. You've been through some challenging times. How have your previous experiences influenced you now to your decision to help and give away everything. Well yes we Unfortunately we're in an area that flooded in two thousand eleven and I lived right next door to my sister. I retired back here from New Jersey and thought we'd have many years together and It didn't it didn't work out that way in two thousand eleven Tropical Storm Leo Stalled rate over area and It flooded our house both of us right to the rafters and we lost the House and everything that we owned and We looked at it and cry and then laughed and then cried and I always say it can either make you bitter or better and hopefully it's made us better. You chose better. I I love and I know from what I understand. You've spent despite all of that. Five hundred dollars out of pocket correct yes. Yeah and and we've we donated to several Different organizations we've given mass to I in fact I'm working on right now. Twenty masks for a Fire Company in New Jersey where my son-in-law's the firemen A doctor's office contacted us and asked us if we would Make some masks for them. there's the local daycare. That's using our mass. So it's it's kind of fun to go out and see people that have your mask that is that is incredibly rewarding. Will Kate Hunts. We WanNa tell you something. Kate Country Archer provisions. Heard About your story. They were inspired by your kindness and generosity. So you mentioned how much you would spend. Well guess what they're giving you five hundred dollars back so you're not out of pocket out of anything. Oh God bless them. We certainly wonderful. They're saying God bless you were saying. God bless you and thank you for all that. You're doing kate and all that you're doing and thank you country archer. Provisions Jerky is well for making this a wonderful story. We hope you enjoy. That's so great I have a little bit of a personal reason for doing this. Two way husband. Fifty years is suffering from pulmonary fibrosis and He has to be on oxygen twenty four seven so it's very important than anybody around him has of mass gone or that he stays. I've kept him quarantined for this whole time. And I don't Wanna I don't WanNa give him up after all. Well we're certainly wishing you and your husband and your entire family the very best. Thank you so much thank you. I'm pleased to do it. That's what my mom taught us years ago if we had a talent. Use it to help others. And that's what we're doing. That is what you're doing indeed. Even the youngest among us can make a big difference. My next guest is the perfect example. He's just ten years old. He's raised three thousand dollars to help families in need in Mississippi joining me now is James Pacelli and his mom Katie. Thank you so much and James. Congratulations on your fundraising. You decided to ask for donations for riding your bike ten miles. How'd you come up with the idea So I came up with the idea on with just watching my local news station and I saw that Mississippi food network needed more meals and for feeding Mississippi in and so I thought I can help too. So that's how I came up with the I love it. And how much did you think you were going to raise James? I thought I was GONNA raise of about five hundred dollars. Yeah just a little bit more than that mom curious. I know you put the posting out on social media. How proud are you of your son? I am tremendously proud. You know as a parent you you know you raise your children. The best way you know how and You try to set a good example. I feel like this is Hopefully ad signed that. I'm doing a good job as a parent my husband and I and so. We're tremendously proud and berry shocked at the at the results of all the fundraising that he's done. Just love all the support that he's gotten no. It is beautiful to see that response and to see what an incredible young man you've raised and you just delivered by the way that big check to the Mississippi Food Network so James. How many meals will be provided from your three thousand dollars that you raised though is three thousand dollars a converted into eighteen thousand meals for Mississippi and feeding America? Wow that is amazing. So what are your plans for the future James so I I saw maybe another one but maybe like I saw were. Maybe I can raise more money. If there were more people involved sto well just just got a national platform so. I think you might be able to do that. James and Katie. With your help. I'm sure thank you for all you've done so excited to see where you're going to take us next and who you're going to help tomorrow because you've got it in you. Thank you both thank you. Thank you all right. We turn now to our final thoughts with Dr Jen Ashton. Well Amy I think. Today we've heard a lot of ups and downs that have really been brought to the forefront in this pandemic. I think it's so important now more than ever as we're volving through it to recognize normal that what we have been through. What we are going through is hard but I do believe. There's also a lot to gain from this in terms of insights and resilience and fortitude and we are getting through it and we're seeing incredible examples of strength and courage and innovation so that gives me a lot of hope. It's so true. The only way out is through what they always say. And the only way you grow is through moments like these and just a great example of that all right doctor. Thank you as always. And that's our program for today robot. Thanks for listening. If keeping up with the news feels like it's become a chore. Checkout start here the daily podcast from ABC News Start. Here is quick and simple. Every morning you'll hear the news and why it matters. Subscribe to start here and listen for free now. Wherever you get your podcasts
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I do not like wearing socks so when you go to a person's house I think it's so weird if a grown person grown adult is just walking socks I just find it so feeders okay. Shoes is obviously normal but walking around the socks socks. I just think is so silly. I can't do it but then at the same time. Now I'm like well. What if you don't have like you know what if I don't know if I want someone walking around barefoot if they're like tolls or not? If you have other adults coming to your house you shouldn't enforce the take off your shoes policy. We don't do that no but I do know some people that do but again. It's like if your core close group of friends or family like immediate family okay. Fine offer socks off like you're regardless if it's your closest friends or your immediate family if you WanNa make them take their shoes off in there and socks fine but you don't have a big group of friends or a big family. Everyone take your shoes off the meeting. Other grown men in their socks. I just think it's so weird. Which is why. I don't wear socks in general. I don't wear socks. I mean I know we all know you were two pairs of socks but I just. I just don't like wearing socks. I don't it's so I 'cause it's just because you know when you're GonNa take a shoe off. I don't want to be stuck in SOx one because they're always mismatched to Jan and tried to do my laundry time. This is the last time I had well this. This is when I told her not to touch my socks. I but lately my laundry I've the last few months I've done your success. I have. I've folded all of them and just I just put him away. You don't know US six months since we've moved to Nashville. I've been folding your socks. And doing right an unfolding them out of the other ones because the doubles anyways. I don't I don't have to put up cameras or something because I don't have any of this. Yes wow yeah. I don't really notice that. Yeah 'cause I put them away for you. I've been putting away. You're close for you. Anyways are like your causeway when you have acknowledged but I've done your socks. Maybe there's a light low that week again. Moving up about socks anyways messed everything up now. Everyone's all rattled everyone that sit in the room with us like this is what this podcast is about listening to this one. She's upset about the fact. This remembered that she puts away his go ahead and then a years. Since I've put away your socks so we're here in Wilmington North Carolina for a one two three finish that our listeners do not need to hear the rest of that We're here in Wilmington. North Carolina for one Tree Hill Convention. And you're excited. I'm so excited I'm so pumped there you're og Fans Oji love my love love maitre. Hiller is every time I ever performed somewhere. I always think trailers always dedicate a song to them because they are. They were there for me for the very beginning. I mean so much so that tonight when I was saying that to them I started crying and I'm so silly why because I I hate crying. Onstage it makes me on the podcast did that last week. But but like Ni- it's not a bunch of get embarrassed but not to like brewed seeing. But it's real wool. Yeah that that emotion Israel just because I'm I'm super thankful for reward for the show the news I wouldn't have never gotten a record deal ever wrote a million a record deal in a million years but launched you. It was your was your launch pad so I just wanted to say thank you and so when I said that I just I just I just got choked up understandably so but I just. I've always loved my Tree Hillary's and I've always appreciated them and so that's why you know and then I said I won't give up on you. And then he won't get out where we'll say. I've been enjoying being here. And and kind of witnessing all of it and seeing you in this element of where Janet Cramer was born the place you were conceived and just to see the support. Because I've always seen that your shows even before I even knew what the heck a one tree hill think is because yeah because obviously people who listen to podcast know that Mike never watched hill and you know And so I mean granted. I haven't seen all of them either but but but you know when he'd go to shows I would say all right. Where am I one tree hill or is that and I mean every single show? The crowd goes louder than I mean. The crowd goes crazy. My Band guys are always like Whoa. They overpower the room. Which is why again. I'm always so thankful for them and you know in you're like who are these one trailers And now you re able to meet them and see them was. I never really got it so I figured in those of you who at the showed. I understand this here this story but I'm GonNa say for our listeners. Who weren't there in the crowd? But I was like all right. We're coming to Wilmington. I've been putting off watching any of the show. I've seen like the time you saying. I saw that and I think the time you're like in the bathtub or something that spoiler alert so I was like all right. Let me down episodes to watch on the way to Wilmington to like one tree hill country. So I do that. I'm watching. I download the first several that Janez in in season seven and I just keep looking over at her and she's like why finally take my headphones off. I'm like you're the worst. Alex Dupre Sucks. I'll call myself like looking over you face light but it was. It was just your character like this is so out that way. This is so not you first of all. So it's weird for me to be like okay. You're like straight up. This is acting. Yeah you know what I mean like. This is so night you is the farthest thing from your character so it was just weird to see we acas. I mean my character was an alcoholic drug user. I've never touched a drug or been drunk in my life so so polars mean to everybody. You know you're you're so I was just like my whole and that's why I was asking the crowd tonight. It's like how do you like her character was just the character I mean. Yeah I mean it's I I think she becomes redeemable warmer and we'll talk more about that later but yeah because you're like why do. How do people end up liking you? So I'm very intrigued to find out okay. So we're going to talk to Daphne Zuniga Brooks Mom yes. Yes but first. Let's take a break. We all want to do the right thing to keep our bodies healthy in the long run but even if we try really hard to eat Kale Salads and drink green smoothies. Well were still most likely knocking all the essential nutrients. We need on daily basis or rituals essentials have the nutrients most of us. Don't get enough of from food. 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My husband wants to ask if you want. The opera turned down by the way I never knew. Loved opera been together thirteen years. You never late. The learning about never earned no. Don't turn he's opera and he said you won't turn opera down precision. No but if I didn't even know like opera like I've known them for twelve thirteen years. Okay say this since. This is a relationship podcast You've been with him for thirteen years. So are you. So it's so you're still finding out things about your husband that you didn't know he liked example. Yes yes what. Are you finding out about your husband thirteen years later? God well That's a good question. Let's see It's so funny because I know so much about him and I have to be careful not to just assume what he's GonNa say and predict what he's GonNa want and expect the same old thing that I know and that doesn't give them any room to like you know be spontaneous or or change it up a bit because I'll be like I think that's more I know so much about them than psych It's more of that like I try to anyway so I was a little bit thrilled about the operas. My point was like Oh this is kind of sexy. Really like literally then. She started singing Christmas opera. Like Silent Knight like here. We are random February Friday. And I'm like so listening to Christmas Music Holy Night in. Yeah how do you though after? Thirteen years like what do you do that? Changes things up not well. Janna not only are we thirteen years together but I'm like twenty five years old. He's older than me. So hot Will you know just even if it's is it yet so make sure you do the date nights do you. What's what's now than than it was well. You know what's weird is that we think because I we each waited so long like like we were older when we met so. Even though it was thirteen years ago I was in my mid forties. He was like he was fifty note in the fifties and he so so we really liked each other like we spent twenty four seven as most but we he doesn't get up and he works at home. Get an office here and when I'm not working I'm here so we spent a lot of time together and I'm just grateful we get along. You know we just get along and so I feel like effort definitely goes into it like it's not like if I were with someone that I didn't know that while at love as much now it's like i WanNa do this. I want to see him happy. I want him and for him. It's just a natural. I came home the other day. And there's like roses everywhere that's need. Yeah I mean he just because he went to the farmer's market and he put a you know a bouquet over here and I went out the other day then I bought some for him just because it's a Tuesday that kind of thing like it just becomes this familiar. I think it's overall we've learned to treat each other well and listen to each other and that makes it day to day fun and exciting and you know serious life issues to deal with too but So I think it's like that it kind of blends I don't know we really get along but yeah of course kind of driving. Yeah for sure I mean I feel like one year of marriage to five hundred years of marriage but do you think the communication is what's grown throughout those years. Or what do you think has kind of gotten better right now? And what's maybe like? Oh I need to do better at this okay. Well the way we communicate is changed and so just by nature I am. I go to You know being loud and I need to be her and I'm like I get very angry if I feel like I'm not I get triggered as it were from like when I wasn't hurt as a child or as a frigging actress for thirty years or whatever my I would go to like you know zero to sixty in a second react. And he tends to go inward his motive dealing with difficulty in. Especially if someone's if I'm angry is to go inward and that's a terrible bonding cabin. Because that just makes me more angry. So I have literally had to work on that and you know talk to my therapist about it. And really not take his niceness for granted so here. We are and years later. And I don't do that anymore. I just it just don't because I realized with him I don't need to and but I do need to say need to know that you're listening to me right now. You know like and one thing Janna. I don't. I don't know your relationship Mike but I. I read this book called the female brain. And there's the same writer she's a neuroscientist and the and she wrote a book. The male brain to which he said is more of a pamphlet book simple creatures You know I've learned things like I just because I'm feeling something in the moment and it feels really intense and I need to be heard. I need them to know this. He can't necessarily take it all in so I have to go. I have to be respectful of how he can take it in and how how. And when so if I have something really important to say I'll say David I need to say I wanNA talk about this one thing. Can we eat lunch or this afternoon? We discussed Blah Blah Blah. You know maybe just twenty minutes. Then he can file it away and no and agree to it and then he can give me all of his listening. But if I see what I think tends to happen. Is We look for an opening right like we look for an opening in the guy's attention then we just want to fill it on. What is was listening on another thing you know. And and they just can't take it and David what is his eyes. Start to glaze over you stu I should say I can't please stop talking. You know and so that's been a lesson a lesson to learn in over the years of getting to know each other. It really is like yeah I had to go. Okay if I have something important to say it's like I need a full attention. I need to say you know at this time. What time good. Let's talk whether it's trips. We're GONNA take our jobs or finances or the neighbor or the whatever it is. It can't be like I'm inspired. And so I just can say it and if he had something to say to me I take it in. But he can't and it's not fair like we communicate differently and take things in differently. Where would you that to? What would you attribute that to most definitely with? Is it just maturing in yourself or the therapy work that you're doing to be able to look in the mirror and be like okay? I need to change how I'm delivering this because I feel like just Jannine is relationship. It's taken some time for us to to really spend our individual therapy sessions actually talking about ourselves and not the other person right. I feel like that's for everyone. That's new in therapy. You go in you get a place to vent about your partner your significant significant other but now gina and I both therapist. They're like are you here to talk about them or yourself. Because I'm here to talk about you and so it it again. Is it something like within yourself like what helped you realize okay? This is what I need to do and not worry about what David needs to do. Yes absolutely right and I you know when I got into therapy. Gosh twenty five. Thirty years ago I I thought I going to be there for a month. I'm going to know a couple of sessions deal with this crazy guy that I was into him. And then later and twenty years is she kept. Bring it back to me bringing it back to me and I'm like listen. I'm really smart. Don't trust me. I'm helps Frank Right. Yeah and so yes. It's definitely But she would point out like you know I think guys have they have a frailty that the world doesn't really encourage her except and so they've learned to keep it in and when I would see that I'm hurting this guy that I love so much. That really hit me like it Hurt him the way I would act out. It hurt him it. I could walk away from a explosion or whatever because I was used to it and I didn't grow up with role models of men that had that could listen respected and we're sensitive and so when I saw. She helped me see that so to answer your question like he she would say gee see hurts him and he can't leave a situation like that you can and he and he ensure enough. I would see quiet for awhile. You know like for a day even the next day and it's just an so then I learned not only. Does it hurt him? And I don't want to do it but the union and the closeness that I was wanting is fractured. It's not there the next day in the silence in the her announcement of this acting out and so I got really aware of that and I thought. Wow It's hurting what? I want to believe it or not in those emotional expressions. I wanted nothing other than being so close an excuse my language and trusting and and I want him to have my back and I just wanted to like be so close an aunt. My behavior had really realize it. And so you know. I'm still an expressive person. But I will you know. Have my blow off in that. You know in the car or you know not road rage to other people but like all my own or do it. My Han have little monologue. Get Out of my system. And then you know treat him more skillfully and be with him and I get what you want out of that and ever since then it's changed and by the way he's had to come out of his shell. We've Botha and I appreciate you saying that because I feel like that is still something that you know. Society's catching up on with that men we can be and we ultimately want to be sensitive creatures. We are sensitive creatures. But like you said we're kind of taught otherwise from general statement As a general species but even I mean Jean and Jean and I had a situation earlier today where she kind of made a joke about something in it hurt my feelings and when she kinda noticed that you know she playfully just kind of like. Oh don't be sensitive and it was just. I think still that common misconception at times where it says we're supposed to just take it and let it roll off of us more than maybe females where it's like. If I would have said a similar thing it would be this big you know. I'm sorry I didn't mean it would have been taken assumed much more but it's like man it's like we're just supposed to be like A. Why are you getting upset about that like your guy? Don't be sensitive right. You know so. I think that we're still navigating. Yeah no I know I know and I you know I realize it the more work that you and Janet do with yourselves and we all do with ourselves and and and then with our partners the better the more each gender is going to get what they want. You know the more like the more you guys can talk through that or yeah like if I heard gave its phillies or he hurts mine by the way because you know guys also to protect that. Might be flippant about things or say things about women like You know whatever and that might upset man so I feel like It goes both ways it is. It's interesting this whole relating in a real conscious. Our goal is to be unconscious relationships. You guys are you. You're trying to be conscious human beings and I don't think our world has conditioned us for that so we have to were jet ourselves and with support of like minded people because you look out there that hello tender hookups. You know what I mean. It's like which is fine. I know people that have met on that. But and but it's like a. Where's our model for conscious relationships? Sure our society in general because we objective ice both. And it's and I think guys you know the other thing I might say on the topic of men and women and relationships is another thing that I used to want on the man and I've learned that with David gets the benefit of my twenty years. I I you know but Is that women. Want to look out everything like we work through stuff verbally. We think about it. We talk about it. We talk with our girlfriends. All we do is talk. It's like to get to this emotional intelligence about things figure it out and men. DoN'T A and B. You know they shouldn't have to like the like in a relationship he shouldn't have to deal. With every blip on my screen. She's just shouldn't and so I think often we have to learn Janna to like. Oh dear if it's really intense then you pick up the phone at the therapist or your friend or something and it's like I needed because usually when we because that's what I've been trying to do is I'm like okay instead of me. Either lashing out or word bombing ward vomiting oliver him. I'll call a friend. I'll call you know girl that I consider my sponsor or I'll call you know I'll email my therapist and something by the time that I have voiced it out. I go back to him away. Different version of myself. Because I've had thought about it I've had I rationalized it a little bit or at the end of the day to. I'm like it's not even it actually doesn't doesn't trigger me as bad as I thought it did or I see it a different way now and then. It's not really anything that has more to do something that I felt not anything that he may be dead. So as for sure recognizing that too or just like Oh okay. 'cause sometimes to even normally do we have to make a big deal you know like let's just say we both yes. We both did that wrong. And not make it so heavy all the time too. Because I was just so heavy Emma. Can we just have an argument and NOCCO go into everything and just be like and move on? I mean but but I feel like that also I wanNA pick apart in no. It's funny when I WANNA do that. He won't stop like even the other day in therapy is like I. One thousand percent was the the the wrong in like he's like I just kept going and it's like he knows when he does it. I know what I'm doing it and we just when you WANNA stop but you like physically can't stop and NC party started so it's like you might as well just go down the slide. It's like Oh my therapist used to say because of those reactions. I told you about you know that that would just literally come out and I could annihilate in a second and just set off a bomb and not even care and then walk. Oh this is even before this before David. I wasn't that bad. You Know My twenties and thirties and you know it was like she would say it's like it's like a runaway train. It's a you have to have technique to stop it. You either have to leave the moment as walkaway say. I'm just walking away stopping the train and just walk or something that you can stop that own train yourself because the mortgage conscious and aware of this you. I think you know more now. What the end result is going to be if you look at tango and it may feel good in the moment and it's Cathartic and your fucking pissed off but you are going to do damage and now you know it and so it does take that extra effort of like. I've gotTa Stop the train and thank I learned not to all and Because it's so distractive and it doesn't get you what you want. You know girl Hey So I love Zoe ready to make it light or we done with the therapy like that. Now no no I I totally hear you. We're going to stop the train right now and Because this is a tree hill episode. And we're you know. A lot of the listeners are always said please please please like talk about one. Tree Hill And so I'm like okay. I'm here in Wilmington like there's no better time to talk about one tree hill. Yeah why did you love what was what was the best part of playing your character? Well I mean besides we're seeing her mom and you know and acting out all that shadow like craziness. Pitching us was Cathartic for me. You know now that you know about me. I had that side of me. I did channel it into Victoria for sure like I had zero policies like after they said cut. I would go over and say something so sorry but while I'm doing it it felt it felt good. You know Because you don't really get to do that in life So I got to be very bitchy and stuff but I love being in Wilmington away from you know I just felt like every time I would fly in. I just leave my troubles behind Lee regular life behind and being on location that small town and the friendships that I made and even the alone time was just so nice. I don't know I loved you. Know whether it's walking on rightful beecher taking drives or whatever it was you know going to cafe downtown meeting people for dinner at deluxe forever that like. Oh my God to love. Yeah Yup I love. That is was so good and I just love being not let turn is this. This is just coming from a non actor here. Daphne and I've always wondered Jan always even when I call Jane. You know success successful actress and singer. She shows away because she can't stand the compliment. So asking another actress has been successful. Like when you have these different characters and the you know the character that you had on one tree hill and in and everything would do you find like what helps you kind of get even more into that character is something that you find that you personally attached to to make that character yours or is it just something you just kind of. You know attack randomly or is it. How do you kinda inspire that role that you take on? Yeah I had an acting coach longtime ago. Who said the more specific The more universal like you have to make things specific if for four. I mean. Listen when you're doing a TV show and it has to be done. You go quickly and you made it. You don't get rehearsal time. No one's rehearsing there. Were just you know and I've done other TV shows? I've learned that and so but to make it rewarding for myself I pull definitely from my own experiences and I try to sometimes dig in and St because it at face value might read it and go. I don't relate to this at all like I've never done this. I've never run a multi company or heated. My daughter never even had a daughter or whatever but when I felt threatened. What's really important to me. Oh my acting okay. Well what if someone said? You can't do that anymore. Like house threatened so I pull up for myself. What's real for me? That would create that behavior protecting my acting protecting a child or an animal or something. That's how I substitute and make it really real and the world just knows that you know yelling at the person in front of me. They dome and they fill in. So that's one way that I make it for. Yeah I mean I love and either so good I mean you've been in frigging a million things and everything every time you're on screen and you know acting against a you're just you're you're giving your amazing. You're so good and that's why like. I hope that one day we can actually do something again together. I I've been I've been trying and I want I want. I mean that would be that would be great loader doing right now again. let's see GIG ON NCIS. That was so fun. Because I was a serial dater who was a A murderer suspect but also I got to do comedy. 'cause I love to do comedy and so it was a comic relief in that with the guy was playing opposite at that was filed in and everyone there was. I mean you were in space ball so comedy yes yes and I just email Mel Brooks every once a year. I'm emailing Mongo. Hello do face phone. Call that Rick. Miranda's doing a reboot of honey. I shrunk the kids like came out yesterday and then you before. So he's acting again because he'd been in retirement so it's like Nah and I sent him they article and I'm like wants. Yeah so that's great and that any any juicy One Tree Hill Things you can remember that you can leave with with the listeners. Anything Juicy You mean like a storyline or artist being their hind the scenes juicy. Nah I know we don't remember. I was like so much older. Like I'm sure there was seen as going out like probably every Thursday Friday night but I would like a towel on. Do you know best. I'm GonNa Miss You. I know I hate it more than anything but yeah obviously everyone like. Just follow. Love on Daphne. She's the best Anything you WANNA leave your listeners with just You know just that your I love that. You guys are doing this podcast. And you're doing this together and you're sharing real life. That's how we help each other by sharing our truth in our stories we all kind of connected and I love that you guys are the lowest relationship that is really doing it in you know in a conscious awakened way. And you're doing. You're doing the work like nothing's ever going to be perfect. You're never gonNA find Mr Mrs Perfect. You literally have to like you know work on yourself. Get to a place where you're gonNA track and be attracted to someone and smell and loving. And then they have to want to do the work and I just love that you're putting it out there. Thanks we love you so much. We so appreciate you calling in see soon. Okay okay we go back to listen to some opposite by guys own. Iconic luxury items at unreal value with the real world. The leading reseller of authenticated luxury consignment from top designers like Louis Vuitton Gucci Rolex Cartier and hundreds more at up to ninety percent off retail. Wait what really Going on right now new rivals come. In daily in every item undergoes the railroads meticulous authentication process shop luxury. The sustainable way go online. Download the APP or visit one of their stores in Soho West Hollywood or their new location on Madison Avenue in New York and consigners. Try out the real real White Glove Service. For Free in-home pickup today. 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Oh she's the best tried to get her to play my mom in the last film but it didn't work out. I know mom next one. So that's why. She said that she was like maybe next home player. Mom but she says she was. Awesome so it really. Is a house. Know a hotel party. Say a House party. But it's a we've got obviously eastern Tori flew in to to Wilmington North Carolina. It's Tories birthday today Have you ever Tori? How are you Tori? I feel old? I'm twenty five. You can while you're rounding up after twenty five decade in a day or two thousand five grade once you're twenty six and you're the back end of then you're like okay. You're entering into the best years of your life. Really when I hit thirty. That is one my life changed. What'S HANDS DOWN? The Best of my life is. There's a lot going on but your eggs start dying. Now how are you? So that's why I panic. I'm thinking thirty if I don't have fifty kids out. I'm just turned thirty and I was single. Let's crying in my bed with. Yeah I was thirty. Single had a comforter over my head bawling my eyes out and my best friend. Catherine was like she comes over. She was like you can't lay in bed and cry. House was three by now do we. This is so good. Yeah so that's no joke I. What was the flip of a switch for you? What was the switch? You know what it was I I was just like you know what I'm S- I'm done looking for it. I flew to Hawaii. I had some fun with a friend and we've been more cryptic. Why did you I think it was with a May? I went with amy. I was just I had fun and was just like you know what I'm not so I wasn't supposed to be married with kids right now. So what am I supposed to do them so be having fun? Yeah you saw went to Hawaii. I had fun. I didn't care and then I was like you know what I don't WanNa be with you. Why am I even here? Why with you and so I was just like I'm have evolved by front amy so aiming. I just like hung out had a great time. Didn't see that other dude again and I came back from Hawaii and that's an hour just like I'm just GonNa be me and I'm GonNa have fun. I'm I have no Polish. I'M NOT GONNA Apologize For my pass. I'M NOT GONNA I'M NOT GONNA move to San Diego for a Dude. I never even wanted to be with because that's what I was GONNA do. That's kind of a direct message from causing but kind of but it wasn't it wasn't right then. It was about six months later but we'll six months. I was for the first time in my life. I was happy to be single and I couldn't. I could never say that ever interest. She suffered in the standards like I just stopped said. Can I try and change can I? The father can okay because I need a kid right now. How can I make you be the like? The Dad is really annoying and then can have babies literally twenty four seven for the next hundred years ago. And that's when Michael and I when we when we started dating and then we he moved in and we started talking about okay timelines and he was like yeah. I could wait a couple of years to get married and in my mind. I'm thirty one and I'm like ours. I was Like I was almost thirty one and in my mind when he said that I was like well how long he's like. I don't really five years five years. I was like I'm debt our legal aid. No eggs zero. Yeah we're the Sahara desert twenty seven and that's where it what is a little while to think maybe okay compared to now? Yeah Yeah but no. It's true but I mean I think about now and I'm like well shoot. I'm thirty six and I'm still barking at the tree for another kid. So you know you. Can you know you guys know as a friend? You know? Forty forty three. That just got pregnant with the baby. Janet Jackson had one at fifty. Heck yeah so I think I mean it's changing. The problem is that I came from a really small town on super small but all my friends. You the norm was to have kids in your twenties. You'll just what it was where I'm from. It's it's like not even getting married. I having a baby I I have two of my friends. Just say that. They're pregnant and I had three getting gauge Asia's past week so I got hit with a doozy a little bit. But I and we're going to Sarah's weddings this happy birthday joy. Yeah we're all doing great. We're doing fun. And then also in their room. We've got My Ban guys that are in the room and Kylie Guy. Riley is our nanny and she came. Because we'll hear. Do you want to happen on this land? She's in rice cheese and rice so highly Is there any? And she's awesome and she she didn't. When did you tell me that you were a massive fan of one tree hill? So one night you said that Franklin gets really bad post mate service and you said You were hungry for dinner and I offered to drive over and bring it to you because I want to spend quality time with you any bobby dinner so that was great and then we may have addressed the idea that you didn't WanNa hot nanny and then after that as like by the way since we're on this level right now I'm a one tree hill fan major. It was after that I really vulnerable in that moment. Well by the way I just was so awful. 'cause we'd hire g right after the whole hunt nanny scandal and my heart was just like hurt for you. Because that's I'm the one that address I want. You know I think beautiful. I'd beautiful good but when she saw tree hill on the calendar. She's A. Are you going to Wilmington Jessica? I'm going with you and I was like well. I don't think Mike Wanted. I don't think Mike Dad Dad wanted to bring the kids just like how we talked about last week on the podcast and I was like so you know I'm like who would watch the kids and I'm calling grandma and Nanas and Papa's mind like why are we doing this highly. Can you don't understand? She's a one three. Hiller like this really mean a lot to her babies. That's her job is to watch the kids. And if we're going to be doing a podcast. Jews GonNa Watch the green our Wiki Java scrip- Shin says you know I teach children. Why are we GONNA work? But I'm just saying there would have been less laundry folded. I would have put the dishes away. Worse it just would have been bad for a while but I would have gotten over sooner. I started sleeping with one eye opening because Kylie was gonNA come slipped me up until this week. Mike has threatened to take tree hill. Away from me I G I would you do your chores. Therapy airbase based discipline truly in our household. Nobody almost went away and then I felt terrible. Mike we have to make it work. You know I was like because he was a goal and we and bring Jays. It's going to be you know. Do we really want to break it? Sounds like to us. Do we want to take him away for him? I was like no but it's Kylie just think it's for Kylie's for college we highly and you know and so finally Catherine Bff stepped in. Who's also my major. She's like I'll watch the baby and again Matt. Mike's in the background going. It's not your job gathered. That's where we pay colleen Mike Contrary to popular belief these people like me like they think I'm great company and they love me okay. Anyways long story Short Catherine has JAS right now. Catherine I love you so much. I'm so sorry you're the best. Thank you and then re babysitting. I was just like well. I Really WanNa bring obviously again. From last week I was like I really want to bring Jolie so you know Jolie's here with us and Mike is Watching Jolie Kylie is with me and someone has to be. The January. Doesn't meet and greet can't do it by yourself with the COP and the handler and all the people have to be there but But are you happy to be here? Oh Wow I'm shaking right now you know. This is just like my acceptance speech. I don't even know what to say. Truly exciting everyone wants to go check minster. Grandma you can see. I tried to play it cool with Peyton Aka Hillary but I didn't and there's a live picture may just be like. Oh my God then. She asked me what name was. I kind of forgot it for a second. I'm going to be. I'm going to be better tomorrow. But it didn't get the nervous hands. I was really proud about. I have now but in and then we'll you did great. I'm I'm happy I'm happy to see you happy. Thank you do part of our stocks right from now on now all of a sudden. I sound like this high maintenance like Janet how. How's IT folding laundry? It's difficult but I've been doing and so we hear the beginning when we were talking about this now. Is this while Gods. I don't know but you're talking about today. Oh whoa that's weird. Kylie was making sure that Jolie was is like make sure she falls like fully fully asleep until you come in and And so we were talking about the fact that Mike said that I haven't done his socks in awhile. Ivan putting your socks away and doing them and that various you went back to the socks so socks were hard for it because he does like doubles. I was literally folding laundry in front of him. One day like this is a couple of weeks ago. And he looked at me he was like kind of that makes no sense and I was like this. Is the Marie Condo way like? I don't know what you're doing. But it's very popular on twitter net flicks instagram people do this for life and he was like. Kylie like no. That's just it doesn't make sense because when you unfold them that's not how you put them on and I wear two pairs and all those kinds of I literally looked at him and I was like. I'm not doing it anymore and I said it was just like just do that sometimes like I just I just do. It was just like the knives and the pots and pans. If y'all don't WanNa hand wash them then leave him. Do Butterfly never cared. It's not my fault. You picked up a knife by the knife part. I don't know like it. That's what they teach. John need a minute to like work. Or like what's going on here. Just say hey got to keep my job. Maybe we do the kids another son. I guess more missing their family surrounded by women attacking me right now. Let's affirm Mike Mike. Great Dad sensitive creatures wellspring. Carl Carl car. You're on you'RE GONNA give it up for Kyle Kylie Amici Caro- car come on Carl Carl's in here with the rest of the band. Dudes and He would like to he by the way he killed it onstage today. Thank you remember the speech that you said I can a rig site it. What was it again Well can I get my no no million I gave the six billion speech billions of killers out there with no it. I mean it went great. It was great and I I felt like I really did something that everybody Enjoyed -solutely do you like being on the road. I'm Carl Fun words. I also would like also like to point out that. I'm wearing my socks because yes. Take your shoes off description of the things. He needs to be like men in socks. I'm just excited to be on the show. I've never been on the shows. My first time I've been on the like the live show. Yeah Yeah Carlsberg coming on the live show with US long. The other kids in the room and What do you like being out on the road? I being out of the road with you guys because you were out you know you've been out with some amazing people. What obviously in you're in a relationship to how hard is that to be on the road Especially with you know in the venues. Neither women is that something that has become a strain in their relationship where he just know makes the strong foundation. It's a it's not a strain because my girlfriend's dad is He's he's very famous appeased the singer and Leonard Skinner. So he she gets it. She's actually out on the road more than I am now. She's going to Europe and South America this year. Maybe Australia I dunno wherever else she said. Yeah so It's there's a lot of understanding but I've had some people haven't haven't understood like my grandfather. He doesn't understand what I do. I have more disagreements with my grandfather and my girlfriend is far as being about an affluent fight about anything he just goes. He kind of looks at me in the eye and goes. I just don't understand your life. You get a Job. Worked there for forty years retire son. Yeah that's it. Yeah I have a story actually. I'd like to tell from the Rhode. Please let's please diaries with Tori's birthday. Really Yeah Ya. So you're you're twenty five and that's awesome. Do you know what happens when you turn. Twenty eight terrified okay. There's this thing called Saturn returns. Anyone ever heard of it okay. I'm going to tell you a whole story about it's great. It's not gonna be too long eastern. It's GONNA it'll be entertaining so I like just re situated yourself to myself leaning more on the pillow on the bed because we're all lying about it right now. I would also like to give a shout out to the studio audience east and that is an actor audience. So you asked me about the road and one of my first experiences ever on the road. I've been national ten years In probably six seven years ago I was this before I had a girlfriend. I want to make that really clear because this story it's not going to sound very good. Sorry this relates back to you. Toria is going to make a lot of sense so Mountain San Jose. Doing a radio show playing Acoustic Guitar for an artist and I hadn't had the greatest time with them so I We're sitting in the airport going to Atlanta Middle of the night. Red Eye kind of thing going back to Nashville and I I've got my seat setup and I'm going to have to sit next to you. Know the artist unnamed artist For the next you know four or five hours of my life and all of a sudden the gate attendant comes on. You know announces that they need some volunteers that would like a voucher to go the next morning boy. I'm your guy right here. How can you do that because if you can't do that if you're traveling with the band will it was the end of the run? So we're all going home anyway so I said well I would. I would like to get off rather than sitting next to this artist. Yeah Yeah it was just a wish you could tell us the name. I don't want to say I don't want to say well. You have me back on the show. Another time guys come to Texas Maybe car will tell us there for the wind down to San Antonio Austin Houston Dallas. It's going to be really fun. The first weekend of March so a lot of yeah. Lot of insider information for those folks. If you come to those shows because I'll be there so anyway I get off the swipe and I take my voucher and on the only one that does it and I go out to the Stand to get into the hotel line for the hotel show. There's this other girl. She's pretty alternative looking. She's got kind of a a hippie. Ish type look to her and I go interesting so I get on the bus start talking to her and I go. You know high go to the did you get off the flight to and she was the other person. Got The flight. She's around my age. I was about twenty eight at the time and We're driving over to the Holiday Inn and she tells me her name and I find it. Odd Your name's Opal Opal King. Beautiful with it's not well. Her name's Jennifer but. She said she earned that name. Joshua Tree. I love Joshua Cherry really. I never have been but I hear it's beautiful so does Opel okay. So anyway we get over to the hotel and I'm kind of talking to her and she goes. Oh I'm just coming back from Taiwan I've a wife over there. I'm like Oh interesting. Where you going now over to South Carolina Have this other friend to spend some time with. But I'm stopping here in California for a few days buried a couple of grand the ground and you know it's going like weird okay so I'm thinking to myself I'm a any one So we're Sarah for those in look. I'd also like to point out that I'm on the bed. Tories on the bed and Mike is just slightly off the bed staring very crucially. Eh. Carl's on Janice out of the bed. Here's on my side of the bed and towards the end of the bed while I'm sitting on the side so I I'm the point. It's just going to be great. It's all going to wrap up very quickly. I just want to take the podcast episode. It's going to be great i. It's going to be so we get to the hotel and I'm thinking to myself. I can just tell from talking to her. She's just not going to have a credit card for incidentals. So I just kind of get off the bus and I offer for her to go first because I go you know. I know how I got us. Opel up yeah. You're up on deck. So she walks up there and she starts to check in and the attendant behind the Holiday Inn express going. Well Ma'am can give a card put on file for incidentals because the rooms free right but you do have to have a car for incidentals. I know this is an Graham one. Follow the rules. I got my checklists so anyway she starts like checking in and she pulls a debit card out of her wallet that expired five years prior to the day were sitting there and she's trying to show to the guy and the guy's going I I can't take this. It's got to be an active card. We got to charge a certain amount in order to check in and so immediately just because of our conversation on the way the hotel turns to me and goes you know. Do you have your car. Also I know you got Chad. Come on come on pile. GimMe your credit card. Come on Whitey. Naturally because because my name's Karl I said no because I didn't know maybe this was. I was getting ripped off easy. Sweetie it's car with a K. I'm Ed now because I mentioned earlier that this is prior to me. Having a relationship I go. You know it would be fun. I got to leave here five hours. I'm going to offer this girl. I'm not gonNA give you my card for incidentals but I'd be happy for you to our hang out on the bed and we'll hang out for a couple hours before I have to leave car. All I know Tori was. It's not the same thing because if I'm in the room I can watch to make sure she hasn't purchased movies are gone in the Minibar. Like you're leaving so she still has the room available to herself when you leave. Look so I was twenty eight when this was happening by Cinar Carl Banks. Okay so I would like my breakfast delivered to me in bed. It wasn't that kind of hotel. They didn't have anything like that. They're so anyway we're sitting there. We're talking you know. She's listening to episode of Dateline. I'm like where's the murder it's coming. It's coming so she's talking to me and I'm kind of telling her what's going on. Turn Twenty eight next week or whatever and she go Saturn returns. Oh what does that mean she goes? You know think now. Her name is open king. She earned that name Joshua Tree and she's so I'm believing everything. She Sang. 'cause if she's going to know something. It's going to be something like this. That she knows about so saddened returns is when you turn twenty eight years old. Saturn is in the exact same spot. It was when you were born. And it's supposed to create a slingshot into your next twenty eight years. Oh yeah well. So the whole is twenty five along five minute story that we're GONNA have to figure out well. It's been a lot more than five minutes but anyway we're doing what you WANNA do. By twenty eight. It's supposed to be a slingshot into the next so anyway crossland three years anyway. So we're sitting there. It's almost that and then as soon as she's telling twenty nine twenty nine point five is actually the year well. That's why I guess I get that extra year and a half to prepare myself so I'm sitting there and I'm kind of telling her I'm actually going to play on Letterman like two months later. And she's like Oh this is great. Saturn returns follow so anyway. The Time's going by and I feeling really inspired and all of a sudden she's sitting on the other bed and she goes seriously like she's in the other room with you on the other band. Yeah we've got twin beds on CIDER Queens whatever. It is a couple of queens and she just goes. Do you know what duct tape does what I go no doubt. Yeah she I know she goes. It turns no no into Stop Yeah what happened. Do I wanNA know are just was shot to the bed and sleep? I know the ending. I don't really WANNA know if y'all know nothing happens okay. I immediately was like I need to refresh myself for the next day. I'm going to excuse myself from the room now and then later. She told me that her instrument is that she really wants to play the DIDGERIDOO anyway. So thank you for sharing. Yeah Yeah yes and Then later she moved to Alaska and joined a band and also purchased land in Uruguay and still really close. We actually email every couple years. So it's a wow retires give it up for Carlton guests. You're going I do appreciate hanging with you guys and I want to share more stories at the podcast but I you'll probably need to limit my time. Okay Hi I. I have no words okay. So it was way too much fun. 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