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On The Ledge

01:00 min | 11 months ago

On The Ledge podcast trailer

"<music> hello my name is jane perron and i'm the host of a podcast called on on the ledge. If you've ever wondered where you've gone wrong with that spider plant that's turning yellow or despaired over your dead venus flytrap then this is where my podcast comes in because on ledge is all about houseplants indoor gardening how you can keep your plants alive alive inside. I've been obsessed with houseplants. Since i was a little kid but is still low to me to learn so come along and with me i talk to the the experts help to answer your house. Plant problems and struggle over latin names on the ledge is available on all good pod apps and and you can check out my website at jane perot dot com.

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Episode 129: OTL Sowalong part one - growing ferns from spores

On The Ledge

42:20 min | 5 months ago

Episode 129: OTL Sowalong part one - growing ferns from spores

"The Hello It's on the Ledge Episode One hundred twenty nine. I am so excited about this episode on kicking off the Ledge so along this week talking to burn expert Peter Blake about growing ferns from spores and the monitoring a listener question about top tactics for going to plant shows. Sharpener elbows. People's buying season is just around the corner and we'll be meeting listener. Lemos shoutouts before we get started. Thanks to shell born and Joe for becoming on the Ledge Super Fans Bryant has become a legend and thanks to Mitch for upgrading to become an agenda and thanks to Takeda. That's the name of a wonderful little animation firm who has become a crazy plump person if you WANNA find out how to support on the ledge fire Patriot and a one off donation via Ko if you so choose. The details are in the show notes. Jane Perron Dot Com. The on the Ledge. So long is now in its third year. Can you believe that? And the idea for those of you. He may be new to the show. It's quite simple. Eight is our way of getting to know our House. Plants better by growing them from seed. How did he join in well? All you have to do is listen to the episodes. Think about what kinds of plants to grow. Get your seed and then report back on how. You're getting along on the sewing front via your social media method of choice. You could get in touch with me on. Facebook has plot fans of on the ledge is our facebook group. You could also tack on Instagram. J. L. DOT. Perron tweet me Jane Perron or send me an email at on the ledge dot com on all be reporting on how people are getting on with this in the next few weeks months. Do take a look at the show notes where you can see all of the on the ledge so long episodes. I've ever done in one page and there's all kinds of useful stuff in there like where to get seeds from what equipment you're going to need and how to get started. I'll be covering the so along in various ways in the coming weeks but this first episode is answering demand that many of you have heard which is for information on propagating funds and this isn't so much of so long as a spore along because as we'll be finding out from an expert. Peter Blake growing new baby. Funds isn't quite the same as sowing seeds of other plants. If you're wondering why on earth you'd ever bother with growing houseplants from C. Because hey it's easy enough to walk into your nearest Garden Centre or Plant. Btk and pick up full-size plants Let me just explain I? It's cheap and if you're the kind of person who doesn't have a lot of extra income to splash out on buying plots then you can pick up a range of house. Plants CPAC is for a few pounds or dollars or whatever your local currency may be and you can get from that packet a large number of plants which then you could sell give to friends and family or just keep to turn your home into a tangle jungle so it's a cheap way of getting lots of lovely plants it also really gives you fantastic insight into how those plots grow plus rather than buying a plant in a nursery. That's been called within an inch of its life in the APP sleet computer controlled perfect environment. You'll be bringing up a plant in your own home which will be adapted to your conditions. That said there are some drawbacks. It does take up a fair bit of room. You may need a few bits of equipment and you'll need a specially formulated potting. Mix Feed your seeds to go into. We'll be looking at there's aspects of the so long in upcoming episodes but as I say to get in touch. Tell me how your plants growing on the you've sewn in previous oh lungs and what else. You'd like to know because there's still plenty of time to contribute. I spoke to Peter Blake who has many of experience with Ferns to find out how it's done. Here's Peter to introduce himself pharmafirm enthusiast. Who's been growing fans for about fifteen years now? Both hardy ferns in the And tender tropical ferns in glasshouses. I've been in the British territory Logical Society. Which is the basically the fern society for the UK For that length of time and I've had a great deal of help and support through then And also have had a lot of sports from them because they operate a spaw exchange system at the beginning of each year. I guess this is kind of Botany Wanna one. But why are we propagating funds from spores and not from seeds? Can you just explain? Explain that to us. Because not everyone's going to know the the reproductive processes of the Fund particularly well pearn saw unusual and they'll basically quite primitive plants along with a number of other spore producing plants like mosses but they all vascular plants so they're a bit more advanced to the mosses but what they do is they produce a spool which is very small and light and can travel a long way. The Fun self that we're used to seeing in the Gulf and or an apart- he's actually a plan that has no gender. It's not the male no female and dispositive producers Equally male and female. But those little spores if they learned in the right place will cause a second plant to grow which scientifically is called a domestic fights or a pro selous and that little plant which most of people have not ever recognized because they're so small actually is a sexual plant and it has both male and female sex organs. The male sex organs are called the answer India and the female sex organs are cold. They ought to go near an effect effectively. The anterior produced little swimming things like sperm and they travel through a film of Water Which is why the profile. I need I'm to grow And they traveled through that film of water to the goon. Yeah where they will search allies an egg in in that place and Once the eggs fertilized begin to divide and we'll grow into a new phone which will look like once used to seeing so the sexual pulse of life cycle is by faith. Life Cycle is the domestic flights and the SX. You'll part the part that produces the spoils is cool. So let me. It sounds complicated. It's a system that's worked very well for Ferns for the last three hundred and fifty million years so it it certainly ineffective system indeed and it's something that is new to many of us who've perhaps grown plants from seed. The procedure is a little bit different. How do we know? First of all that a firm is ready to be harvested for spores. Firm can carry spools in a number of ways. It's always on a front. Which is what we call leaf. Basically we call them friends Unusually for particularly for the funds that we see as natives in the UK Those fronts look very much all the same whether they carry spores or not And so if you turn the front over on just playing green on the back they probably don't go to any sports if you turn the from Dover and look at the back of an east coverage and little brown spots then those what's cool soreye and those are the little collections that actually contain the spores. Some funds will get a completely separate type of front looks different from the rest of the of the plant to carry those balls in Sarai these little collections and ones that do things like Royal Sun which you sometimes see growing next to water middle. Have a big plume in the middle Covered in Soreye. And you can sit because as a golden brown coal aware of the rest of the plant is green. But generally for most funds that we come across commonly the Sore I carrying this buzzer on the back of the front. If they're very young Soraya not ripe yet they will appear white or Pale Green when they're just coming to the right sorts of ripeness to collect them they turn the sorts of time. Color generally wind up going over and released that Spos- they've gone. They don't Brown. What actually happens in that Source is the source contain lots of little containers which could spur NGO which actually contain the spores and those Speranza when they're ripe. If the winds dries little bits will burst open. And actually fire the spoils out so if you take a Franz where you're beginning to see the Tan colored Soraya on the back and you put on a piece of white paper in a warm dry place like the iron covered or in the dining room table or something like that whether or not drafts. If you need to overnight in the morning if you lift front off you will find that there was a person of Sarai on the paper where the sprint. You have phya down the schools. And they've actually hit the paper and stuck to it so you can get the very nice sorts of shadow picture of the front just may down to the poor scientists released. And what if you are a person he really wants to stop propagating so I but you don't have any funds of the type you want. I know the British society does this scheme which is brilliant a reason to join the society which presumably means you can apply for spores from different species. Yes obviously they can distribute those have been given. So it's a tax system people have to contribute spores and then they will divide them up into tiny little packets. And you'll I think there's nothing in that but in fact there is because of course spills so absolutely minute you can't see them And it's only when you get a lot of them pushed together that you actually see. See that the spoils there. But you'll get in this little packets which you can then so into compost In this society we have a lot of members who do collect spores both natives spores for implants integrate gardens but also from glasshouses tropical houses. And we also have overseas members of society who contributed sports as well. So I would say that. Generally that's something between probably about three or four hundred different varieties available Obviously this is for the members and it is on a first-come-first-served basis once the list is opened at the beginning of the year. It sounds fantastic. And it's great to hear that you've got members from outside the UK. Because I know lots of my listeners are not from the UK so that's great to hear that he can get involved too. I have seen a few listings on Ebay for a sports regime. If they're reliable source I mean. Obviously that's a big big if because obviously as we know there are lots of not so genuine sources of of certainly seeds on Ebay but visually. That's okay you can send these boys through the Post successfully and purchased some that way. If you for some reason they want to join the society. Yes I mean. In general the ones you see available commercially tends to be rather Well I could say boring rather rather mundane ferns and also of course the funds that produce also sports because you commissioner. You don't want to be dealing with something. You only get twelve package out of it to be dealing with something where you could make up hundreds of packets so the ones available commercially tends to be tree. Ferns which of course because of the size can carry a many grams. Of of spoils on them. You can haul this large quantities Then divide them up into the loves but Generally they tend to be the the raw the larger spoil. Rich rather mundane certain I've tried growing them. From commercials spoils in the past and had some success but it hasn't been universally successful. Nothing is universally successful of course in horticulture culture. You can you know some things will grow and some things. Why haven't I think that generally so long as they've been kept as well then you know it's worth having good go They do not too long time. I've certainly grown funds from spores that I think probably about fifty years old But for most firms you can certainly grow them for two. Or THREE YEARS. After they've been harvested Especially if you keep them somewhere cool and dry Upton so or in the fridge or something like that They will. They will last a long time. What's the next step? You can be very purist and you can try to sift the sports to get out any rubbish in other ways of Speranza. Bits of of from months dropped off I haven't done that very much myself because you lose an awful lot of sports in the process of sifting them but those that do it for the road for the British Terry Logical Society. Certainly do sift the sports To make sure that there is the other little bits in there at all. The reason you do that is because sports themselves very small if you get other contaminants in Which a bigger than those not wrought and starts to produce Molds or other infections in your culture medium and the culture medium. You won't see us for this is actually virtually anything. You won't try because those Pro Thala. That's going to grow from the spoils. I'm actually not very fussy about where they grow the bits. That's a Fussy All this spira fights in other words. The young ferns grow from the profile lie. So it's all you do is I use potting compost. Which I sterilize. I sterilize it by wetting it. I put in a small tupperware container with the loose lid on it and then I'm microwave it and all things it's one minute on high and Waits until it steam and bubbles And then take it out. Make sure it's cool. It's completely Also make sure that the legislatives because if the if the lid sucks onto the top of the container while while the shrinking when it's cooling down you won't get the lid off again so You just have to make sure it's a bit loose. Let it cool down and then you can. So you're spores and try not to so them too thickly it Ju- they just need a few remember that you can't really see these things and You tend to find that you you over plant you get a big clump. Won't corner where you get so many pro thalys that they sort of crowns each other out. So you tried to get to Finn even spread over the compost. At that point you stick the little and make sure you label it because they can take a long time to come up and these pro lie and you won't remember what seem what parts otherwise in which false so label it have a good archiving system And then you put aside and weights and I put them aside guest bathroom which we've got in the house With an led lights on Over them and I just leave them. And you just keep looking every now and then to see whether anything's happening and if things go well you will begin to see tiny tiny. Little Green Dots of the pro style is growing. And that can be anywhere between six weeks after sowing under your after serving so you might have to keep these boxes alone time Before you decide that actually nothing's going to come up so it's a bit of a patient's game which I'm not particularly good at being patient but at least there's not a great deal of maintenance to worry about in the meantime is temperature. Is it just within the usual range of room temperature will talking about yes? I mean it depends what you're growing. Obviously if you something Tropico then you won't have to the you know well. Well heated room If growing native ferns you might just have them in and outside greenhouse or in the garage. Something like that The pro-style I do need some light but not direct light. If they get direct lights probably get too hot and dry out or they'll just cook so They really need indirect light In a place in my case I say the upstairs bathroom which isn't very much. He's probably about fifteen degrees so most of the winter and has a skylight and smelly delightful. How do you decide to babies of ready for planting out? They can certainly sit and soak for a year. Sometimes they can sit and so for two years so you may not actually see a proper fun growing for two to three years after you've sown your original sports and then the question whether you've got the patients to wait for them Or whether you think this is a waste of time. Let's put them in the compost. It's really up to you. Depends on how much space you've got an how valuable treasure you think that you're trying to grow as if it's something you really want until they sort of you get a lot of leeway and giving it time to come up but generally. I pump them out when they're about two to three centimeters high. I plant I mean literally individual containers and keep them in a plastic shoebox with the lid closed and points. I moved them into an ordinary conservatory. Where they do get diurnal rhythms daylights. But that's still warm and of course having lived on that keeps them as one hundred percent humidity and at that point. You're then watching to see when they get big enough to begin to open. The LID on a bit usually once thereabouts. Probably four five cents. He meets this high. You can open the cool note if the shoe plastic shoebox and the Irun and they will begin to heart some more resilient than others. They're not the easiest things to grow on. Its that point of hardening off where things can go wrong. Basically you always trying to do too quickly or you don't do it quickly enough. And they all say the points at which they begin to be more fussy about the substrate that growing on so if you're growing acid loving and they'll begin to one that sorts of compost when the sorts of four or five centimeters high. If if you're growing limestone funds they will Won't that when they get into that. Sorta cise unequally figuring something like EPA fights they will need a well drained compost From the points at which that four or five centimeters so that that tends to be the point at which you find you lose things But often you'll get a few survivors. Even if you lose a lot and the end of the day you know. How many do you want Do you really won't be growing hundreds and hundreds of the same thing because you will get hundreds and hundreds So I I try to keep myself in check and not Grove and ten of anything I would imagine that liked growing houseboats from see that if you can get them past that tricky halting offstage that hopefully given given the wave brought them up there actually growing adapted your conditions from the possibly an rather than buying immature and that's been very much cuddled greenhouse that might immediately go plunk. You might have more chances of success. Yeah so I think so So that's a a an awful lot of these particular tend to for Come from Holland and places like that where they have been grown. Hydroponically really Often with artificial lights and Foglia feeding and I think we've all had the experience of Buying Beautiful Shiny Green Fund from the Garden Center. That lasted about ten days. And you'd have you plenty towns and it just dies and of course it's because that just having such an enormous change in the growing environment just a complete shock for them so growing your own means you can pull them up they don't get popped bound And does you say they become used to the climate? They're going to be growing in as adults found that inspiring. And if you want to check out the British territory logical society link to their website is in the show notes and it's worth taking a look because there are full instructions that on propagating funds from spores ad also details of their spore scheme and how to become a member and a new episode of an extra for becoming out shortly containing a bit of extra chat with Peter. About some of the easier and hardy offensive words and also his technique for growing those Ozo- tricky maiden headphones. And now it's time for question of the week which comes from botanical aspirations on instagram. I love this question. The minute are read it my new. I had to share with you because it's really topical. One botanical aspirations says they go to their first plant slash flower show over the weekend and after some advice on how to go attending an event like this they wanted to check out displays and buy some plants. So does the buying happen at the beginning or the end. Do you stop yourself from Boeing. The whole show What do you carry the plants around in top? Tips are clearly required here. So I'm botanical aspirations. I am just the person to ask this question to you because I've been to many a show and experienced the stresses and strains is whether the delights of buying plants and now it's really the start of the show season in many parts of the world so it's a really good time to ask if you've never been to a plot. Show out edgy again. Along to one in twenty twenty whether it's a huge national show like the Chelsea flower show or something happening in a village hall near You. It doesn't matter. The size is a chance to really eke out about plants and many other enthusiast and sometimes get your hands on some really nice rare and beautiful and well grown plants. If you're looking for some rainy choices super rare things going to specialist show like a cactus show or an orchid show. Then the key thing is that you get the noise at early because you need to be there at the front when the doors opened because these things can be complete fights the more research you can do before we get there the better so if you know the list of sellers who are going to be their research what they might have the map or email them and ask them what stock they're gonNa have the show and you then we'll go in really well informed about what you're looking for and you can make a beeline for the sellers that you're you want and you'll know hopefully where they are. Oftentimes the biggest shows will have a map showing the layout. Who's where again. Consult that before you go any make a beeline for that seller that you really want. If like me you're generally going in and you just going nuts about everything. Don't have anything in particular you're looking for. I advise checking out all the stores before he buying thing. Sometimes the best all those run by the plant societies rather than the commercial nurseries. Because they'll have really nice. High-quality plants sometimes slightly better price. So do look around every corner. Sometimes the the special is hidden away. Somewhere in the corner of the marquee or the event call so look around thirty first before you buy anything because it's a bit disheartening. If you buy a small specimen of something for quite a lot of money and then go around the corner and see a much bigger plant of the same species for a lower price. Yes it's happened to me. Do Check your plants as just as you would. If you're buying them from a plant boutique and a nursery. Because you do find that sometimes these plants will have problems and the not necessarily going to be free of pests so check them in the way that you would do any plant you buy and the usual quarantine rules apply once you get them high was well bring along something to take your plants home in a cactus sales. This is usually a sort of a plastic handle truck or one of those trays that you see free markets plastic blue plastic trays something. You can hold easily and put lots of plants into safely so they won't tip over and you will be able to have a hand free to make other purchases. If you've got one of those foldable shopping trolleys. These are really great for these kinds of shows particularly. If you're looking at bigger plants that way you can put the plants into that shopping trolley and we'd along any you're back we'll pay thank you for it. If the weather isn't great I would also advise. I mean this is ridiculous cold and Wet and you're bringing home very sensitive. Tender plants may bring a bit of horticultural fleece because not all sellers do a great job of wrapping plants and there's nothing worse than getting home and realize plots been damaged in transit either by being knocked or by being exposed to coach drafts. And I'm going to guess the other danger that botanical aspirations. This as pointed out here is that you just end up spending a fortune it shows. The risk is real people. It is a thing that happens all the time. There's a few ways around this. I would say if you're really worried about overspending on your on a strict budget. Don't bring any college with you. Just bring cash for one thing. A lot of vendors will accept cards. But some won't so if you don't have cash you may miss out with some of the smaller nurseries or hobbyist growers who are selling it shows and if you've got cash wants US run out it's run out. There's nothing more you can do yet. That's one possibility. Just bring cash just to have a list before we go in of what you want to buy and tried to resist the impulse. Buy Although I do know. That's very very hard. Sometimes now the only show. I know of where you can't actually boy. The plots on the nursery soils is the Chelsea flower show and in fact this is good timing because I have an announcement related to the Chelsea Flasher to give you very excited to announce that I am going to be part of the Chelsea. Flower shows brand new toolbox program which is happening for the first time in. The show's very exciting. And I'm going to be interviewing a certain Mr James Wong on the Friday of the show. That's the twenty second of May at three o'clock in the talks. Data this particular defense so you will need to get your ticket link in the show notes where you go to get. Chelsea flasher tickets. I'm also really lucky that I have got a couple of tickets for a giveaway now. I decided I want a real genuine on the legend. Now to get these tickets so I am going to want to give away on the show. I'm not going to mention it on social media so you have to be genuine listener to get these tickets and I will put the term full terms and conditions into the show notes. Our work that out in the next week so hopefully next week's episode will be the one to listen to number one hundred thirty and I will tell you how to enter and this is your chance to go to the Chelsea flower show on Friday. The twenty second of May and that means you can come and hit me in the talks data talking to Jank swoon. Some people have asked me if I'm going to be putting that show out as a recording. I'm waiting to hear back on that at the moment as you may know the BBC has a contract to broadcast the show to the masses. So the organizers are checking with the BBC. Whether they're happy for me to record the interview with James and out on the podcast. I will let you know as soon as I can. I know lots of he won't be able to make it to the show. So that would be lovely to bring you that interview. But that's really a decision that's out of my hands is up to the BBC and the Chelsea Flower show organizers to make a ruling on that one so I will let you know but exciting giveaway next week so tune in next week for that and I will be bringing you some more announcements of upcoming talks in the next few weeks. Do check out my website for a list of all the talks. I'm currently booked for you'll find Jane. Perron dot com forward slash talks. Anyway enough of that the anytime you can buy plants at Chelsea is the Saturday of the show. Which is the grand selloff. In the afternoon there. Is this mad rush. It's a crazy crazy event. You need to be prepared to come with sharp elbows and an fight fee some good plants. Just don't impulse buy that six foot students here without thinking about where it's GonNa go and how you're going to get it on the underground system. The sale usually kicks off around four o'clock. I've got a memory of Alan tich marsh the very famous British Garden Gardening. Tv person ring a bell other. That's still happens but that's how it used to be. And it's something like something out of a horticultural horror movie people leaving over one. Another trying to get the best plants if you like. That kind of thing is fun. But it's not something where you'll be able to know what you're getting in advance so you gotta have nerves of steel for that one. I also get into the Chelsea flower show which is not that easy for all of us. It's quite a obviously the world's most famous flower show and therefore very much in demand so back to advice on going to plant shows I would say make sure you bring water and food of your own. If you possibly can two reasons for this one you won't have to waste time queuing to get to the front of the Food. Stall to buy your food. Also theory thing like me and you have an issue becoming angry when your blood sugar drops yes. I am the ultimate hungry person. Has Anyone he spent any time with me. We'll know you need to have a few snacks to keep me going when you're actually shopping and you don't need to be stopping every five minutes to go to the nearest kebab stole or whatever they're offering probably won't be a Kebab Stola. Probably something akin store or something like that but if you bring your own water and food then that will make your life easier. The other reason to bring your own food is that some shows are still really behind the times when it comes to single use plastic. A lot of the food stores will still be using some use plastic. And you know it's best to avoid that. Let's try to. Let's not have single use plastic in our lives so we can combat that is bring a picnic. Bring bottles of forty yourself blows shows will let you bring those in and that way you can enjoy your own food without worrying. A load of plastic is headed for landfill as a result of your attending that show. Ideally if you've got a partner or friend he's not interested implants as quite willing to be parked under a tree within of marks and Spencer. Ready Made Pink. Gin and tonic and their favorite book. That is the ideal person to take a lot because then you can leave plants that you've bought with them leave them with all the food and the stuff so you've got your hands free for plot shopping and they'll have a lovely day reading their book and chilling out on you can enjoy the plants In safe in the knowledge that the rest of your stuff is being looked after by somebody. That's not possible. Some plug fares have got plant crashes and the idea there is ego and place your purchases in a secure area While you wonder around sometimes they offer donations charity or the small fee. It's actually doing this but it really is great. If you're going to a big show way you're buying big plants at the beginning of the day That you want to get hold off before Stocks Ran. Low what you can do those plants. All dates of the plant crushes a great option. Dazzle said make sure you get a map in as you get there not before so you know exactly way going with toilets are important things like that really crucial and where. The food is also on a practical note. Do Wear sunscreen and a hat if it is anything other than the darkest of days because I know from gangs. Chelsea and spending all day outside the even. If you don't think it's that sunny you will get sunburned spending all day outside. If like me you spend most of your days in office Not In Natural. Light so yeah. Sunscreen is essential sunhat. Make sure you got plenty of water. Some Sun let your mom now but you know what I mean. Just take care of yourself because there's nothing worse than coming home from show. We've had great fun and then realizing that you look lager beetroot. Because you didn't put any sunscreen on. Take him up on a long. It's often the case. The wifi reception is known existence. So don't necessarily expect to be uploaded to instagram. But you can use your mobile to your advantage. Take pictures of the stores that you particularly like he might be that you can take pictures of logo so you remember what you wear so that when you come home you can keep a record of that. That's always useful to know if there's any problems with your plants down the line and if you run out of money you can also then take photos of those lovely plants that you wish you could buy so that you've got a note of what you want to get in future but also did talk to the stall holders themselves often. They've gotten absolute founded knowledge on the plants that they're selling so if in doubt do ask questions and ask for advice that way you will get a really good insight into the plants. You're buying I'm just. Lastly if you are going to a show do mention it on the FACEBOOK GROUP. House plant fans of on the ledge. Because that's a great way of setting up a little meet up so if you're going to one of those shows on your own and thinking that you might like of a chat with the like minded plant person then that is the way you find somebody who's going also and I'd love to hear about some planty meet ups happening this summer at the shows. I hope that has given you some suggestions botanical aspirations for your very first plant show and I hope it's great fun if you're heading to a plant show this year then enjoy and what we're talking about shows just reminded that I'm GonNa be Future Flora at the ace hotel in shortage in London on the twenty second of March. That's a Sunday and I'd love to see there. That's going to be a number of sellers of both plots and accessories. So I'd love to me if you're going along let me know and we will meet. I will have some stickers on hand for any listener that comes up to me and tells me they're fan of on the ledge it. He's got a question for me. Then drop me a line on the podcast at gmail.com and now it's time to meet and listen to this weekend. His name is memo Jane. My name is Emma. I've been an avid listening for quite a while. Now to your podcast and after say Bake Fan. It's definitely something that has helped me get back into my love of house plants which Kinda started at a very young age from the actually. I think at that age around five or six. I was back home. I'm originally from Cyprus. And then what we class now is. House plants here for clients that we just had out on the balcony year round and as a small child. My mother gave me the task of watering the plants. And I think that's probably when I caught the bug to be fair and it's something that I kind of stopped doing for a long time and not being into houseplants as much as I was and then my other half mentioned when I started buying a few houseplants fat last year. That just like Oh. It's nice to see you back into something that you enjoyed so much and I think the rest essentially is history. Now I think close to two hundred and fifty house plants and definitely still growing question. Want there's a fine and all your loans are about to burn. We want you grab. Does you escape so actually. If there's a fire and I need to grab one of my clients I say escape out the door. This is a bit of a loaded question. It kind of depends on what plan is caught my fancy at that particular moment in time. I think at the moment though and it has been like for a while now it probably be one of my variegated monasteries. It's definitely WANNA clogs. The took me the longest to find and I wouldn't want to be searching for it again. Question two what is your Lever Episode of on the Ledge? Now the favourite episode that I have on the ledge unfortunately or fortunately is what was voted by everybody I think is one of the most popular episodes. It was definitely the hoyer episode. Now is a genus plants that have never seen before in my use essentially when? I was first getting towns plans. But it's definitely something I've really kind of fool and into quite heavily and it all started with a Hoyer Bello where I'll just have. I'll try this one and I think I'm probably at about twenty five thirty odd. Hoyas at the moment so definitely the episode from the question three which Latin named to impress people now the Latin name that I use impress most people. I think is probably going to be the same as most people. But it's definitely going to have to be the pitiful fool crash elation acid metabolism in contention. Definitely if I had to choose between the two ago for crash elation. Acid metabolism are always wrong or as we used to say in my biology clauses. When I was younger it'd be the CAM photosynthesis I think. Definitely my choice would be acid metabolism mainly because it means the you can have some Olson House plants in the room that you sleep win. And they're constantly pumping in more oxygen as sleeping great question five. Would you rather spend two hundred pounds on variegated monster all two hundred pounds on twenty interesting CACTI? I think this is an interesting one because I definitely wouldn't go for the twenty interesting CACTI again. I was born and raised in an area of the world where cactuses succulents abundance. Oh it's nothing that special for me and I do already have a couple of variegated monster. Please don't give me too much hates but I think if I had two hundred pounds suspend I'd probably go for something that I've been looking for for a long time but cannot find in the UK. Which is the Philodendron Dark Lord? If you haven't checked it out. Denney just have a look on instagram. Definitely speaks to my gothic roots. Philodendron Dark Lord. I'm just looking at it now online. And that's a stunner good choice memo and thank you because now I've got another plan on my wishlist. If you WANNA be on meet the listener then do drop me a line and the best place to drop that line is on the Ledge podcast at g mail DOT com. Well we're more or less wrapped up this week show but I wanted to end on a little note of celebration. I'm celebrating an anniversary today. It's three years ago exactly to the day. Since the very first episode of on the Ledge podcast was launched into the ether it was a show about terrariums and listening back now I cringe a tiny bit but actually it stands up fairly well to the test of time since that date. On the latest built into a wonderful of houseplant lovers from all around the globe from Chile to Canada Sweden to South Africa and producing. This podcast has been the most satisfying and challenging three years of my professional life constantly humbled and ordered by the dedication passion knowledge and kindness of all you listeners. Who have found me and my show at some point in the last three years so thanks to everyone of you. And here's too many many more years of on the Ledge and with that our show see you next week long fans for more on edge so long funds by the music you heard in. This week's episode was roles. Auden rolled by the joy drops an instrument. The boy called Happy Day. 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Episode 115: living stones aka Lithops

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44:53 min | 9 months ago

Episode 115: living stones aka Lithops

"The hello who thought Blimey I've got a frog in me throat let's Livingstone's Aka lith- ops and I answer question a patron of on the Ledge yes you are now a legend really cheered me up to hear your kind words about the show and one of the things you said is that wondering see for on the Ledge go ahead treat yourself your APP of choice hopefully the fighting and the politics then you need house plan our in your life getting about all plants You can follow me at Jane Perron there's also peak district recently and visited Sally Williams Wonderful Pepperoni collection very different national collection of Lith- ops Aka Livingstone's in terms of awareness of environmental issues surrounding CACTI and succulents and lot of questions about and I hope they'll be answered in this episode and Bryant any at Sheffield University and if Brian showed me his master's degree thesis Ngo were absolutely delightful interviewees and despite the glass houses at Abbey. Oh wow nothing at all like this I probably have about twenty five CACTI eaters in circumference does anyone but in here to say we had thing that I was an incredible display of mix lips in filled with lithographs looks like a painting almost it's won first prize in two national shows now okay wouldn't I brought with that bowl and he's been on television why they called stone plants because you do have to look twice because they're awesome stones in there that's a lovely word displaying them because it's really showing off no no no no you'll want one side might be the size of a tennis court writes it were these grow so the number of sites when I was working on and the last forty years and they're still finding them yes ah this was two thousand and six and fortunately there was a conference that year in Oh doc right down to came down for about six weeks we spent amazing including the first time you saw this up so it was it was amazing you could tell them with that would bring the little outline track we've anyway as far as the I can see almost engro collected plant they belong grown from seed and over and over again was watering some people have been told that they should never chicken from the end in April until the end of September blue within start to the sea so I think any rain the your sea fogs so on the amount of water and do you water from the top did it matter they exist and they're sitting on on a bed of visit water isn't being pool underneath and sitting there. I mean you can actually platinum Oh when you're looking at Sunday cts yeah training compulsive compost somebody's starting off a collection and wants to to grow assume western parts no eastern parts of the ones from Namibia the other end where you've got to be careful saying Oh yes look to that the loop right you I mean that is my my nine year old son would say mom they look a bit like a bomb basically all all these all and the growing point is is at the base of the Nydia area does that appear eclipse Gusau wasted that's coming through the center yes they're just like McCoy can know nothing wasted very clever explained to me yeah that we've you know which is normally only on one one way the doors when the compost is is what will act during the end of the end of the wet else should he be concerned if they start shriveling slightly is there anything to worry about you could be there so tough that they will bounce back you have to be careful you don't royalty in different shades of gray and terra cotta and the plunk can't change its color what's what it's done is if rodents or birds or what have you and so you eventually you you in these sorts of things you think Green Oh yeah we'll they'll match the grass don't grow and again some of them quite relatively no and then there are some really teeny very small ones yeah you must very closest Olsen said we're starting to fly yes long the job in South Africa keep the plant incognito improper through week okay graphics yes there was a lady in in south the big one that supported only a hundred head of cattle the place at the right so I'm one of the things that are in flower instant we'll be back with more recently and the fact that the emojis that we as people have disposal I'll have a chat with Kelly earlier this week to discuss a first steps they is wonderful to actually have you on the show you're let's talk a little bit about this crazy idea I've uh-huh uh-huh good things focused do think this came from listening to a podcast hello there's not that many many choices out there and I wrote business what that emojis well have we were decided on the plant itself it's choice really I mean I think there's possibly two choices I think the options are is be more widely used I mean what we should say is are we might go about finding out more information about this but it's not a couple of years to come to fruition we ever got that far because obviously what's known as the unique code consortium in the bay area is was internally I think there's something like seven multinationals on the panel including submit but they do put you through your paces they do make you jump through hoops and you value obvious to anyone who listens to this podcast it's it's something that we want to kind Brenda's handwriting and I've been writing things and then like almost wanting to do an Emoji and I used lots of people is very distinctive and we all know what it with graphic design skills fingers crossed because you will me was during not or lack of of the imagery that submitted with the proposal so yeah it has to be people have submitted clunky clipper type artwork in the past it doesn't do arguments about why why this needs Emoji peps we need some Adriano pumps I think this is something we need to move forward I'm sorry I've landed you dislike two year mission Kelly but hopefully counter to listeners though to tell us if they liked the idea of of going for monster but it also can't be too vague which is a fine balance to strike it also Asian may be on the facebook group and see what listeners think about this and hopefully thus we could be in California in two years time talking to unit code list of plant emojis out there but we want to know what Emoji there should be facebook just drop me a line to on the ledge podcast at gmail.com with your graphic designer or maybe you work at Unicor who knows then give me a shout and the all these to grow from seed because every year on the podcast I have a a so long event were is not so much is there any advice pick a millimeter oh man you don't have to don't the they'll German hat within two two weeks three two okay used to what you can show the seed in us to keep from going for eighteen months and transplanted them and you you you saw them and then you've got fifty plants to pre count two months later and you know stink another any favorites here Brian you really we have forward saps serves in yes big spots on the wide okay right usually the green ones alive flood yes that is the Colori I mean it looks like somebody's to hang on sort of an amazing vein pattern that's a route bus that's my very relaxing we walking down to look at more the things that people say to people surprised that they're even plots sometimes eighty was looking at the time and she talks humbug on the well you say you can work on these things and not not dummies because reported because I was worried that the potting mix was not ideal but I was visit vary from species species how you treat them in that regard Well you post just a little bit of of you know where the join is between the gives you the clue there's no stars I told on the top surface to the plan right because the win the there's a window a window all the cells in the center of the plant are colorless it'll still work the smarter this again you know come plums all says regular listeners will know we're always I'm I just I love to say crush nation so presumably for that reason I don't want to bury them too deep because then I would be burying so I don't know if that's Great Okay and we've got these ceilings here so busy when the seasons so small do you have to cut it with some seeds with Sundell you just very careful as you didn't numbers right on you can Judge Dowell Andy Twelve months of course yeah yeah we can we sixty yeah them because that's a holiday sheer which is all college which is nice ached and And I mean even if you see a plant underneath another another plan towards you know I can't tell you John Halt fifty sixty centigrade so what's going to kill these plants is not baking some customers but this this guy was complaining about and he said I bought some of those lists ops the Mongasutu and where did you did you put him on a win the cell and just certain saw and I said what did you do you did platinum did I think because they could like stones and they just can sit I'm what about pass with the mealy bug they merely magnet problem migraine house but yeah you know he starts uh-huh farmers you might have we might have mice I guess there's not some mouse traps by them they say leads the fosters best windy off that would be that would be complicated on Yes that's what the kind of Doubling up on the to do yeah. I'm tickly often turn is not something unread if I was going to be my house would I be moving them to an unheated porch then or somewhere being room a heated room a good choice in fool in the growing season there's got to be highlight but do you Louis again do they do they get a bit so in the winter I've had I've through right late winter early spring uh-huh oh I'm delighted to see this glorious collection here on liftoff while I'm GonNa continue wandering around because it's so this is where it stops well that that incredible tops bowl than do go to my show notes at Jane Windows She's lucky enough to have two bathrooms and but neither of them has any I think there are actually some ways around this problem I thought is your ball that is some light in that room so it may be that you just want to have a few different plots for in the long term from lack of light and the kind of things you might be looking at for this purpose monson going out and it had no light and looked exactly the same so this a of dealing with it you could also have something like a sexy Frazier Sto live for ended up with quite a few different plants that serve their time in your doc bathroom we've got a a lamp fitting a wall lamp fitting or something in there that you can put for some of the right spectrum for plants to grow ideally it official grow like would if you looking like a cannabis grow broom and you can also get socket so that might be another way to go if you can have some of those on your plants riches of shelves with Grow Lights Strips of grow lights along the bottom stream but that is a really nice option oh put a link to a couple of those pictures in the show notes out twelve hours a day just so the plants get their fill and get to off and on automatically I've got a time of my grow lights here in the office it's a really old straightforward but it works really well because I find the ones we'd loads of buttons that you have to program really have some money to throw at the problem then you could turn to a company like Celtic solutions that's needed and that one does come with Alzheimer's so you don't have to worry about turning them on and blow we can add your plants so if you put a grow light bulb into one of those you could successfully are you all going to have to work at it a little bit and come up with some solutions and fixes and depending minded some inspiration Julie and you've got a question for on the ledge drop me a line to how is your applause roll Jordan roll by the joy drops an instrument the boy called happy day connor yeah.

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Episode 127: sustainability part three - pots

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33:27 min | 6 months ago

Episode 127: sustainability part three - pots

"The hello and welcome to on the Ledge podcast. I'm your oh host Jane Perron and this week. We're going a little bit party. It's episode one hundred twenty seven and in this show. I'll be discussing the the rights and wrongs of plastic pots. The difference between a cash bought and in apart. And I'll be talking to ceramicist Hannah Moro about what what makes a good pot. Plus we meet Listener Ash. And I'll answer a question about variegated monster. Thanks to New Patrons Ryan Ryan and Antonia this week. Who became ledge ends DOS unlocked? Lots of extra content in the form of my bonus. PODCAST host annexed relief world on you guys and if you want to find out more about how to support the show financially and in other ways do check out the show notes Jane Perron Dot Com. Thanks for your feedback on the bonus episode interviewing Nicholas Spence about plot passports. It seems like lots of people are still getting to grips with this new. You set of regulations here in the UK and the rest of Europe. And it's something that's going to take a while to shake down fully. I did hear from people who are giving up growing houseplants for sale. Who Hobby scale just? Because they're worried that this is going to add t much expense and hassle to what they've been doing and also from people who we're still not sure whether the regulations affect their including somebody who was trying to take Banzai to a show outside the UK so there's obviously lots of ground still to be covered on this one so if you're not sure whether you come under the plant passports regulation and you are in the UK. EUROPE DU recommend getting in touch touch with your local slash national body. WHO's dealing with this and asking the questions because every situation is different? We've had a real flood a lot of people getting in touch wanting to take part in meet the listener which is absolutely great. If you've already heard back from myself off from Kelley with instructions on how to take part or sent toss your audio then thank you. We'll be in touch soon letting you know when that will run as I say we've got a bit of a backlog now so it may be a few weeks but we'll try to keep you posted. It's just lovely to hear all your voices because I'm so used to the sound of my voice. It's great to hear yours and today we have listener Ashe from Connecticut Etiquette in the US over to you asked Pearson. I'm calling from Middletown Connecticut in the northeastern United States. I have over fifty plant species growing in my little apartment with four windows. I'm also a perennial grower at alkyl or nursery and I have a degree in horticulture. So I just really love plants question one fun and all your plans are about to bowed you. Won't you grab escape. I had to choose just one plant and would probably be my Americana Day which as a dwarf grafted Avocado We got it as a wedding gift three years ago and it takes three to five years to start producing fruit so it really hate to have to wait that Khlong again question two. What is your favorite episode of Old Ledge and actually member of my local African Violet Society? And I've got maybe twenty varieties of just mariot so my favorite episode would probably have to be episode eighty eight which is all about African violets question. Three which Latin name do you see to impress people botanical Latins. Really Fun for me. Actually at everything. The thing we talked about at work has to be by the Latin name. We don't use common names that all I really like leary Oh dendron to a faira. which is the Tulip Tulip poplar or tulip tree or glitzy attract cantos? Friday enormous. Is your common Thornley honey. Locust question fooled crushing acid metabolism Gauchan. I love kitchen. I Love Guitar. Not only is the science but he didn't really cool. The leaves always looks so pretty pretty when they're covered in tiny water droplets especially really cool on talk strawberry plants. That's really question five. Would you rather spend spent two hundred pounds on a variegated monster. All Two hundred pounds on twenty interesting CACTI. I would rather have wanting wanting new interesting cat tied for two hundred especially really liked the apathetic CACTI and I would really likes more at the film Long Brooke Solace may be indefinitely. Some more Christmas cactus for my collection so some unusual CACTI would be so much more fun than one expensive plant thanks to ask. I have a burning desire to be featured on on the ledge. Do get in touch way particularly interested in hearing from people who are from places we haven't yet featured in the slot and now it's time for some pot chat. Yes we talked about container today not any other kind of party. You may be thinking of. Let's start from the outside in and talk about cash pots I now. What exactly is a cash pot? Well it's a fancy French term for what we might call a container or planter a double pop or now to pot as the name suggests cash means this little hidden supply so it's a cover for a less attractive pot that's actually containing the plant and his ripple pool and the beauty of the cash is that you can switch them around as much as you like without having to do any repotting usually by their nature. They don't have drainage holes in them. I have seen a couple of videos. Going around on the net of people making holes in cash pots using a bowl of water and a cloth and screwdriver and a hammer where they basically invert the port. Put the cloth inside it put inside under the water in the bucket and then then smack the screwdriver with hammer and make a whole this. I'm sure this does work. It seems to work from looking at the video. It's an alternative to getting one one of those special ceramic drill bits doing it with a drill. What's worth remembering about? This is you will need to make more than one hole in the bottom of the pot because one eighteen hole is not going to be enough training for most plants. It is a way of using cash ports as a single port. You will have to add a saucer. Obviously but it's an option shen if you don't like the the cash pot in pot combination one of the problems with putting a plastic in pot inside the cash part is it literally does us. How things in other words you might get a little bit lazy with watering and I am certainly guilty as charged when it comes to this you sprinkle the water on the top and it comes out the bottom and you think I'll come back in half an hour and then they're out? Do you come back. Maybe hopefully yeah. Sometimes you forget and the water gets left at the bottom of the pot which as we know is a recipe for the roots rotting one. Little tip way around this. I tend to put at the bottom of my cashpoints. A layer lia depending on the size of the Paul anything from a centimeter to five centimeters. Deep of either greater gravel or pebbles or ideally expanded clay pebbles known. Well they sold under the brand name hydraulic here in the UK and the beauty of these are very lightweight. It doesn't really add to the weight of your part but whatever have you use. The water goes into that layer and generally Vena pot is held above the water level. So you don't have. This issue can also work as a little mini pebble trae and increase increase humidity around the plant. The watch then ease if you're cash poor is not fully waterproof and you've got it on a piece of furniture you may find that. There's a mark that goes who's owned the wooden furniture from the damp part. I put a Cork Matt underneath most of my cash ports to avoid this problem you buy them cheaply online. Oh by Tax Mike here say courage ports a lovely things are not so lovely although admittedly very useful are the plastic parts that most of our house plants come in when we buy them at the Garden Center. We're all getting really concerned about plastic in the environment. So what's the deal with these plastic parts. Well the trouble is that most of with them are black or dark colors which the machines that scan our recycling at the recycling plant caught actually recognizes plastics. So lots of these parts end up going straight into landfill rather than being recycled now in the long-term oversee this this is something that we're hoping that the plastic industry will Soltau. But in the meantime what can you do. Well they're all more companies selling tope colored pots of Pale Brown colors which are easy for the scanners to pick up. So they're worth looking out for. And the other thing you can do is just reuse those parts as often as you can. There really is no excuse to be buying brand new packs of plastic parts. It's that easy to get hold of if you don't have enough. Just ask around on free free cycle and if you're trying to get away that's also good place to offer them. Because has there are often community groups doing gardens or school Garbin groups. He will looking for those parts. If you can't get rid of them that way we'll hang onto them because if you're doing the allege so long this spring You may need quite a few pots for putting on your plants as they grow and it is handy to have a range of different sizes when you report deport. The other issue with plastic recycling is that you really do need to clean your plastic recycling really thoroughly even if your local authority does collect elect and recycled plastic plant pots. If you leave them covered in soil they will reject them so they do need to be really clean in order to be recycled. So that's an extra jaw for if you if you are going to recycle your pulse I do love terra. Cotta and where possible ideas tried to plant straight into terra cotta. It works brilliantly for things. Things like CACTI and succulents that need that extra around roots Hoyas as well they just absolutely love terra. Cotta put pot and it is more pleasing you do need to have a source runs an eighth and beware that a lot of the sources that you buy at the Golden Center Takata sources are not actually waterproof. Only on the inside if they don't have a glazed on the inside and they are going to suck up water and again can molecule furniture. What proofing spray on the inside of that will avoid the water going through? I'll find a link to where I've bought that from in the past and put that in the show notes. If you're interested in finding that out I found over the years that often the people here are clearing out. There sheds have terra cotta pots. That they're happy to sell me off. Give me and then I'll give it a nation to charity. So that's a really good way of getting hold of terror called reports they are quite fragile. So you do find that you do lose quite a few breaks and so on but they are wonderful things to have. And they're very forgiving. People ably tend to slosh too much water around so definitely worth trying if you are not succeeding with plastic pots and do seek out and support companies that are starting to sell reports in other ways. Either Integra Carter parts that they've upcycle draw recycled and also scheme could Pasi pots. Which is coming in here in the UK which is where gone centers at the point of sale when you're at the till they will take the plants out of plastic parts and put them in a Pasi Pot which is a cardboard temporary pot so then when you get home you can just put your plant up? I'll put details about in the show notes to do. Get asking your logo plot supplier to think about about plastic and hopefully with some consumer pressure. We can get some change moving in this area. There are a few pots made of other things available. I've tried to hear these east. I've tried some poor pots made from queer fiber Quite frankly they were absolutely useless they would just too porous and let in too much at and they dried out extremely quickly. But I'll be interested to hear from anyone who for those who've actually worked okay hacks. Knicks are among one of the brands selling bamboo pots here in the UK so these are free from plastics BPA Supposed to be compostable and biodegradable lost about five years before they will start ought to fall apart. So that's definitely worth looking for. If you can't find such items are often quite slow to decompose in the compost heap. But I guess ultimately they will decompose a heck of a lot quicker than plastic which will be with us for Millennia. I've used bamboo pots and found them. Really really good is mainly just a question of getting and hold them which isn't always easy. It depends where you live and what shops you have near you. And they do seem to be available in most gone centers near me now so hopefully. The trend is spreading reading. If you've got any other insights suggestions on sustainable pots for your plants and do get in touch. I'm sure there are different things happening in the US to here in the UK. So I'd love to hear from you about what you're doing. So where do you pick up your cashpoints. Well I am a big proponent of checking out your local charity shop thrift saw auction house junk shop. These great places to lay your hands on some really interesting parts yes they will probably base ones that aren't particularly to your taste but they will also be lots of treasures to be found there for a reasonable price. The other thing I highly recommend is looking around for people who are creating pots. We might call them artisanal. In this day and age there are some amazing ceramicist working around the world creating beautiful pots. That really will will make a statement in your home. Moreover is a ceramicist living in La. I spoke to her about the inspiration for her designs on how to pick a really good pope by name is Hannah Moro and ceramic designer originally from London. I now live in Los Angeles told me a bit about this collection of parts that you you made Which I believe are inspired by bit of bit of art just a fact story I was designing and getting my remarks made in England I starts? It's to Kinda WanNa make a game myself and So I was in Paris See my mom and I went to see the Dave David Hockney me a retrospective and was just so inspired by the California paintings. The pool paintings and I've always loved them but I've never actually seen seen them in real life and when I came back I I was kind of looking around the house and I have this fiddle fake that I've had for ages actually founded in the in the rubbish rescued it but anyway needed apart and I thought wow. I'd really like a pink Paul but I didn't really have anything anything that I really liked and I thought well why I just kind of put the two together and and make different colors And I think I think is like really Matt's pots rather than the sort sort of the shiny Glazed ones so I put together this This new collection it took about two years to develop and that made from colored clay. I said that's not a bit different in twenty eight different colors. Wow you sometimes see on these. These ubiquitous social media channels releasing saying try making your own ports but I imagine when you actually get down to the growth of this to make a pot. Success works accessory in every sense. Visually practically is probably harder than it looks. What what are the characteristics of the ideal plug pot? Well for me. I didn't want I love Terror Casa parts but they do stain so One of the one of the challenges for me was coming out with a clay lightbody. That would be vitrified which basically means it's it's sealed So that was a challenge. Because you know you can have a lovely color and then you live with it for months and it has all these hopes stains So that and then I just I really liked simple shapes so Just something. That was really simple that you could use inside or outside Yeah and just To me like it doesn't have to look at so. I really do believe that you should get what you love loves. And and you don't feel judged on any level about what you like but Those were the things that I was looking for like really strong colors or like just colors that it really You know suckle strong and then just a really simple shape But then what challenges in making it just it will and and You know just just ceramic challenges like you said it was. It's it's a little bit of work to go from from beginning to end but He learned in law so I learnt hell of a lot on the way. I was fine when I'm choosing parts that I find a really lovely love when I get home and I tried to put the the inner pot that I've with plant in it. If I'm using as a cashpoint that often times the shape of those parts is wrong. They're either too gene tall and narrow or their sort of their curved at the bottom of the hawk doesn't sit comfortably. There seemed to be so many challenges I mean I have a law. Pots sitting around unused just. Because they just don't suit the the the plants that I've got at the moment and I'm always kind of digging around. I must Tuukka pop. Suzy's plan Ono. I I know it's so hard. I think you know what you think you know. You think you know what's going to work and then when you you get at home like you said you think Oh that's it I'll go back and back I'm like a I like to me. My my purchases go back and back then even then make the wrong decision so I think I think having a variety and the thing that I wanted with my poets was that you have different. You can kind of complement. The color or clash clash with the color. So if you have green Paul you Evergreen Palm you know just it has flowers so I think it's it is it is it's harder. Can you think I'm totally with you on that like I've made I've made a lot of well. I don't WanNa say mistakes. 'cause they always stay around but it is hard to find the right the right pot for the right APLOMB. I'm how has your collection of pulse. Go Down with People Birmingham. Yeah you know. It's really interesting to me. What the colors that people buy? Because so you kind of get an insight into people's what they personality or just Kinda what they're going for and with my stuff. I found that love people. I'm I have full multiples. So they'll buy like three yellows or like a blue and red and the yellow or you know just different varieties and and you know sort of different colors male-female. It's IT'S I. I'm I'm sort of amazed and and really kind of impressed by people's color choices because unlike all wouldn't put that got together but I actually really like it And then actually people they come with or without draining hole and I've actually found quite a lot of people have bought them without the whole which to me means they're probably using them maybe without clones or they can use them for both if you'll Catholic s So it it's it's been really really interesting thing and You know sort of surprising and a good way you said that you go off Italy figure out the trash. I love these stories where people fine fine fine blonde on missing kind of area but tell me a little bit about about you. How's Ponzi a you because grow or is there's a new thing for you? You Know I. I feel that when I was a teenager I went through. The you know the the Spider plants KINDA RUBBER PLA seventies mood. And then you you know Cottam move into other stuff and always loved house floods and you know. Obviously they're having like a big moment at the moment which I think is great For me not to answer the. I'm always finding so I think maybe people throw a lot stuff out in la. And I'm always finding plots that need rescuing so bring them in or even just like succulents that are being chopped out and I'm also also getting if you walk around you can get lots of little and you know Cuttings and stuff. So I'm always taking a little cutting and then growing it I love the whole kind of you know sort of finding things for nothing. Nothing kind of elements to gardening So yeah I have. I have a mixture and then I have other. I just actually Banzai which I'm very excited about a little Banzai and Just different I have a USO plan and a prayer plan and and then my my found my often slumps Salaam with them. I sounds fantastic. I loved the idea of of being in a in. La and just being surrounded by amazing plants growing outside as well as inside inside plants. That really certainly wouldn't be growing outside here in the UK. Where are you selling your part? So they are they being sold from your studio. We sell them online. Yeah I'm selling them online on my website. H FOR HANNAH DOT COM and Yeah just I'm kind of keeping it. You know just on my website for the moment because then just everything's kind of within my control and the great thing about nowadays is so easy to do it with shopping for and stuff like that. So yeah that's that's that's the plan and and yeah just selling on my side now you very diplomatic in saying that you know people you respect people's choices but come on. Let's there was some terrorists. Pulse out there thaddeus terrible parts out that I'm thinking about the lawyer on that I've been given or I just ended up with randomly but I have some Tara. Awesome terrible parts of like weird shapes and all colors. I mean one of the crimes against against pots that we can. We can mention here. I mean I one crime is just being too boring the what the white glazing. Yeah what is so ubiquitous idea. I call them the only key for. Yeah it's an I have many. It's such a cliche. I guess in a way. There's nothing wrong with that if it goes with your decor but it just doesn't say anything you really know. I mean to me the biggest offense to me like visually is those kind of twitter early. Those things with us sort of slow release florally sort of imprint. There are a lot of things I you know I personally won't but like I said if you like it yourself. Why not and I think the weird thing is also a lot of things that probably ten years ago? I'd have been really snobby about the parts that my parents had the The West the west German lava parts. And all that and you surround. Yeah I mean like now I'm not going. Wow I'm sure. My parents throughout a heck of along when they moved to Canada because they are now but yeah there were money. And I'm thinking you know go shopping. I wouldn't have given me fifty one. I know I know I know. Appreciation of certain styles has changed. I think over the years. Yeah I think I find a lot stuff secondhand. They have a yard sales here so I've had a lot. I've got a lot of terra cotta parts and just nice pulse from From you know second hand and they they have kind of a story of their I really like I like a mixture. I don't like everything to perfect. That's you know. It seems to me just more interesting more of more of a life I left. I actually just explain these these west German parts. Anyone who hasn't seen one they're kind of they're often in color seventeen shades of orange ingenuity and rusty red and they kind of sort of bobbly in rough. Sometimes they've got to call it an umbrella thing going on or different Patton students. They're quite you can explain these better than I can A different kind of like it's like a volcanic glaze so it kind the has sort of like volcanic kind of looked at a little bit. Yeah they they seemed to be they seem to be very very trendy now. Yeah I know I really wish I had those reports from the past back in my possession but maybe go is buddies fashion for you. The other thing and I'm looking at one right now. My desk which I think is a bit of a fashion crime. Dan and I think he's going to date very happy. I've got these parts. That are kind of like silver and kind of geometric only a- services offices they re they win for Awhile Yes yes one of the things that Lewis me about them is they go in the top yes he is a problem because any overhanging going in just makes it difficult to get the and you've got a within a port. It just makes it difficult to get access the poem so yeah and it doesn't totally make sense as a design for Paul. 'cause then things can grow out. I don't know it's just just I if they did have a moment not that long ago actually but maybe stick around like the lava parts may be put it somewhere and then bring it back out again because he might come back well. That's very true and I often. I think that I'll have a partner. I think I'm Nevin eases because I'm never going to have the right shape plan and then I put it in the shed and then two years later something. It's coming out again I think. Oh yeah no I am making us dmed. Actually so if you've got the room to store these things I think now is the crucial point. Yeah it's good to have a really good collection of pots. What's at your disposal? The thing I love doing I know we don't have quite so many y'all sales here is you do but charity shops a brilliant. I'm so what else is going on on the La House plant seen any good house shops. Oh I mean they are everywhere everywhere. I go now as a as a house plant show. I mean the sell obviously is you know here online is is massive and then you know I I live very close to narco highland park and there's a lot of small Gordon shops opening up. And I think people you know as you noah just has become really really interested in houseplants and I think my hope is that I feel like you know how sponsor the star and the pulse of the co-stars But I think that people are coming becoming much more interested in the pots. Now also But I think here light like England show is just It's a real movements and people seem to really it's like you know everyone's stress too two and looking for a kind of a bit of a some way to unwind and I think plants kind of fills a hole somehow you know for people of You know kind of put the the you know. Just just relax a little bit and enjoy the plants completely. Well thank you very much for joining me. Hannah and I'm delighted that your ports are doing so well because they absolutely thanks so much and you'll find pictures of Hannah's pots in the show notes. Jane Perron Dot Com and do check out her website. H Four hundred DOT COM now. It's time for question of the week which comes from Comilla. He wanted help identifying. which type of variegated monster she has looking at the picture of Camilla's plant with a tall one? It's it's growing on most poach I'd say a good five foot tall but it's gone up another two or three feet above that so she's got a decently sized monster here and there is some variation on some of these. She sends me a separate photo of those variegated leaves. But the question is which variegated monster is it and I'm sure this has been a question that's been troubling many of you as you searched desperately for this plot at a non crippling price. Both plants are still very much rarities on the house plant market but they all becoming more available as grows rush to try to get more of these plants onto the market in other words. I wouldn't pay a massive amount now three either of these plots because does the price is inevitably going to come down. So the two cultivars of monster that you're likely to come across. There are a few other really really really super rare ones but the money. You're GonNa come across the Constellation which I've mentioned many times in the show because I have some or Albo Vera Ghardaia now. I'm going to give view my understanding of the differences between these two plants based on my personal knowledge of growing tigon relation and the research. I've done into elbow Verte Oughta if I've got anything wrong then please shots at me and tell me what you know about these plants because there is so much misinformation out there. But I'm going to do my best to tell you the differences between the two plants so ty consolation to start with I guess the real main distinction with this plant is that the variation the light parts of the leaves More of a creamy yellow colored than a pure white color. So you're getting splashes you're getting little stripes instructions some leaves turn out. Don't half green and half white but there's always this sort of splashy element I guess. That's why the name Constellation was chosen. So that's really one of the big distinguishing features between that and Albo the clues in the name. They're very Ghardaia which has white and green variegation. So that's the first thing until account for generally tie it's much more yellowy than with an Alberta second looking at Camilla's picture one thing. He's cleared the growth habit of Albo. Vera Ghardaia is a bit different to the Thai constellation. And I think that is because Albert Garda is the boss Z.. Jonah form of monster in other words. It's more of a vining plant than monster to the Thai consolation which has very very short into notes. So the space between the leaf joints or on Thai constellation is incredibly small. I've posted on instagram. About this. Before it makes it very hot car to take any cuttings because there is literally no room between the separate leaves joining the stem to do so whereas on Albert Gutter author. Because it's a boss Ciccio on type. The Internet is a much much bigger and therefore it's much much easier to take a stem cutting and propagate the plot which is why you're seeing so so. Many album is being cut up and put online with with a single node cutting. Because it's possible to do that with the stall growing style of the implant so that's a look at the Inter nodes would say if the Internet is really short and the variation is yellowy. That looks like it would be a tie. Constellation if the Inter no longer and it's more reviving style as opposed to a bushy style. Then it's probably Elbow Eric. Arta and Camilla I would say your plant is our very guard just looking at the style of it and the variation that's seems to be what you have so enjoy. Your plan is looking fantastic. It's going to hit the ceiling fairly soon. You may need to chop it back but maybe you could make some money out of those cuttings. Who knows thanks? You a question Camilla. And if you've got a question for on the ledge drop me a line on the Ledge podcast at g mail dot com for this week show if you're in the UK and within striking distance of London. He's a date for your diaries. All the at the future flora event. It's at the Ace Hotel in London on the twenty second of March. That's a Sunday is going to be lots of house. Plants sellers there delights to be perused and I will also be helping to judge the house plot of the year competition. I put details about in the show notes and also on my facebook page for on the ledge so check it out. It'll be a fun day and I'd love to meet some listen as back. Remember in winter. It's important to keep yourself well hydrated. Then you'll CACTI dry see next week by the music you heard in this episode was rolled your wrote by the joy drops fleet and drum rish cash by Samuel Corwin chief Spicer and enthusiast by tours licensed under creative creative Commons. See my website. Jane Perot Dot Com for details.

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Episode 138: Aspidistra, aka the cast iron plant

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Episode 138: Aspidistra, aka the cast iron plant

"Hello and welcome to on the Ledge episode. The one three eight on this week. We're keeping the ASPE- district flying if you're a new listener my name is Jane Perron. I like house plants. I'm not ashamed of it. How the devil all you? I hope you are continuing to thrive and survive during this weird scenario of lockdown that we remain in. Your view are being eased out of lockdown. Right now all I can say is lucky you but you know what we've got our plants we've got our leaves to look at and that makes life okay in this episode. I Meet Philip. Ocean brink the national collection holder of two different species of Aspe- district the Victorian favourite. The we should all be growing. I'll answer question about woltring snake plants and we meet listener rose. Yes another listener. Called rose a different one from before. Thank you to everyone who has signed up to be a house plant buddy on the thread. The you'll find on the House plans on the Ledge facebook group. There are lots of people there who are looking for somebody to chat to about their plants. All you need to do to get involved is put a comment on that thread off. Perhaps if you see someone else he shares interests or perhaps geographical location with you then add replied to their comment and you can team up and have a chat it might be via facebook messenger email. Zoom it's really up to you but it's not too late to join in so if you're feeling a bit bored lonely or fed up during lockdown then. This is a great way off. Livening up your life if you are not on facebook and want to get involved. Don't worry you still can just send a note to on the ledge. Podcast gmail.com letting me and Kelly. My assistant know roughly. What your intuition and where you're at and we will add a comment on your behalf and it'd be really great to make sure that every body or as many people as possible a paired up with somebody else who wants to chat with them so do go and have a look at that threat if you haven't done already it don't be shy because you know what planned people are. Lovely people are pulling to that in the show notes. Of course so you can click through easily enough and find it. If on the other hand you'd like to tell the whole listenership of on the ledge about who you are then meet. The listener is for you. You can drop a line to the same email on the ledge podcast gmail.com and Kelly will send you some instructions on how to take part and that's exactly what rose did. Let's hear from her now. Hi I'm rose. From The Netherlands. I was really raised with plants and animals but I. I really got into plants myself when I had a burnout a few years ago. And one of the things that really gave me some solace Feeling of accomplishment and usefulness was taking care of my plan babies since then I started making youtube videos about plans and about the amazing plans in my area. I live right in the center of all the greenhouses here in Holland which is really really fund and I listen to podcasts and instagram. I'm full of plenty learning. I love it. I still feel like I am plant beginner. But I'm learning so much from Eugene so thank you so much for all the cool episodes question one. There's a fun and all your plans are about to burn you. Grab as you escape. I guess I'd have to Casper my Florida ghost. He's such an easy grower and he's beautiful and all my other plans. I love as well but Casper has a special place in my heart. I want him in an Instagram giveaway. Right in the beginning of my plant a-rod adventure and he's just beautiful with the white leaves and Pink Patios. I love him question to. What is your favorite episode of allege? My favorite episode of on the Ledge is episode sixty one. Even though I love a lot of the episode and I've learned a lot about them but sixty one is the one about Roy lights with Lesbian. Relic. I've listened to it several times actually and I've bought some little measurement tools from it and I'm really understanding a lot better. Why certain plans are doing well in my house and why others were not doing well and now finally improving. Because they're getting more light so thanks so much to Leslie. I love her even bought her book after listening to that episode question three which Latin name. Do you say to impress people? The letter name that I like to say is actually L. Acacia Michalik Tiana. Frydek because here at least in Holland a lot of people are calling the Green version. Frydek when in fact the green version of that plant is the Michael Donna and the variegated version. Is the Michalik Sienna Friday? So I might be a little bit annoying to people with that but I like to be correct in my of let so. I like to use that one question fool crush acid metabolism who got a crash chelation acid metabolism to google dot. What actually before answering this question. I'm choosing go tation because I love. I have basically only arrowheads in my house and I found out that crash ablation as metabolism is more four seconds and CACTI which. I'm not very good at taking care of so definitely picking Guitar Question Five. Would you rather spend two hundred pounds on a variegated monster? All Two hundred pounds on twenty interesting CACTI. Even though this is not a popular opinion I would pick them months Tara. Because I don't like CACTI I cannot keep them alive and I'd prefer to have a really really big beautiful on Sarah. I have several cuttings. That are doing quite well but not great. So it'd be really cool to have a really big one especially now that they're becoming a little bit more affordable here in Holland would definitely be able to buy a huge one for this money so old. I love the fact that the Florida ghost is called. Casper foot inspired choice of nine. Thank you rose. Nice to meet you and welcome to new patriarch subscribers. Gm Leong Disease Sarah and Kaley who all became legends this week and thanks to Andy who opt his pledge from crazy plant person to legend. Check the show notes. Are Jane Perron Dot Com for details of how to join the Merry Band of Patriots subscribers? And if that isn't your bag than you can give a one. After nation via code DASH FIVE DOT COM or pay pal. Those links are also in the show notes. Leave me a review on your part APP of Choice. Or maybe just tell a friend about on the ledge shoes in need of some lockdown listening out of you interesting emails in response to Midweek Bonus number five the question about shopping at big box stores which are wanted to share with you. One of the messages came from a listener who works at one of the platforms. That supplies the big box stores all of America and this person. He wants to remain anonymous for perfectly understandable reasons said that the amount of plastics chemicals implants. The disposed of would make your stomach turn. Sometimes we throw out tons of perfect plot simply because the company changes. Its mind their message. Is this please use social media to create a socially distance plant swap? Then you would have friends to Swat within person later. So thank you to that anonymous listener. Who got in touch? It's interesting to hear how much wastage there is in this industry of Mass House. Plant production and something. I'm hoping to come back to in a future. Sustainability episode and another listener. Got In touch to say that some of the big box stores do have people who are in charge of the plants but they usually rushed off their feet and unable to keep up the demand for care for these plants. I'm sure that's correct for some of them. I know that in the UK places like Wilkinson's which I guess would you call that a big bookstore? I'm not sure but it's a store that sells all kinds of things including plants and gardening equipment and I know that there well certainly in my local branch and many other branches that I've heard reports from there is nobody to look after the plants so it really does vary so do your research if he can. And as I said before. Let's keep supporting. Our specialist grows because they wanted to longtime listeners to the show will know that. I am a big fan of the sped district so I was delighted when Philip Ocean Brink. Who is the national collection holder for aspirin stor loss your and Aspe- district's issue on insists cultivars in the UK? He's also head Gardener at Canterbury Cathedral. So He's a very busy man. I was lucky enough to be able to visit his place in Kent and check out his asper district election. Oh and meet marvel the cap to makes a bit of an appearance in this episode was recorded before the lockdown back in early March. So we weren't breaking any rules. And of course for the Moment Phillips National Collection remains closed to visitors but hopefully sometime in the future he will again be able to provide tours of his collection on request and by arrangement at our. Put a link in the show notes to the details for getting in touch with Philip. You can find Philip on twitter as Philip with one out. Hd C. C. And all include all of the relevant links in the show notes if you're short of a pen as always this episode comes with a health warning or rather a wallet warning that. I am totally not responsible for causing you to add to your plant wish-list via listening to this show. I'm afraid is one of the perils of on the ledge. Right are you ready to go down and Aspe- district rabbit hole? Let's go VILLAROSA. We're here in your front room with a array of aspirin districts around us. What could be better as league radio listeners? Smart show will testify. Always go and buttons benchers and how they're underrated and we should all be growing more from so. I think you're on the same page with me on this. Tell me about your collection and how this all started. Well of course the national collection of story last year and also situation answers of got a huge collection. Anyway because uncle load are the ones that aren't within my actual collection but it started with one plant in a greenhouse in one of the Coltrane's exile. So there was just a green one in the deanery where I work. And they have They had a very one which I thought was very unusual and then started looking into more and see what other these were discovered died. Eight hundred and seventy five species those. Yeah that's why getting interested so you'll national collection. How many different. There's a term for it isn't it? There's a long heritage term. Is it the east. Unitive attacks attacks a yeah. How many of you go within my analogy collection of got twenty. Two situations is awkward. Sixteen outside the collection. I think I've got about sixty different expertise stores so that's a fair number. Favorites are always I can he. Oh catnip probably a good munch on his breakfast. My which is probably good. Because I'm allergic to cats. So yeah but that's making me out so it's all going on here. It's like name your favorite child but is there one res your favorite. I mean. I'm looking at this beautiful there. Beatty form up here which is kind of almost half. I mean this isn't very instagram. Where the plot isn't it's got half white. Half Green leaves is not a favor or it might just imposing my interest. It is a very rare equinox so it is half green have widely. It's very difficult to get. But he's also very difficult to keep so he said it's he's not really my face reverts. It's not a very stable. Gone through these are just the two is how body from the nursery. Got So many that this one. Good Morning Frost races which is under the economic one and it comes up green with tiny yellow stripe but as the lead chores. It's gets his mottled widen wiser and wiser and I do like the ones that sort of change color of some of the largest come up in a certain green. Maybe we'll then fade to to white stripe your odd couple. And I've been disappointed. My expectation was to something like that. I mean obviously they were particular cultivar but I was hoping for dramatic variation and so far they haven't shown much variation. I'm wondering if I'm not giving them enough light or if because I kind of have down the classic Avedis sting of seeking them in the dark is of my house because they'll be okay then mistake particularly could do with a bit more likely to get a very Gatien. They're not sold as very guard. Often is very unstable so you can get very crowded leaves with one year. You might get one. That is more green than whites. Are The as you get loads of watching the leaves so you always get the same but yet giving them a bit more lighthouse? I find especially with the various ones. Keep them outside during summer. If you can detention radi bulk up and get my big comes. Ma Wove cats though that. I'm allergic to my sweat. Going really do what behind us. I'm just GONNA blame my nose because as ever go to cold. I swear it's soccer in bars. It's just a folk standard code. We got the overcast so I always know out there noise. I WANNA be on postcards please behind you you got the wonderful variegated for which is got splash is a cream. Leaves like a constellation. What's that one call? This one was allowed the lenses that one. What's spots all over the leaf and a lot of Spock's well he's one I got from America Actually Nas August heritage bursary and went to college nursery. Which is like the Aspe- district Halloween Lights? Westbound this North Carolina. Okay that's Great. Message loads of other things as well huge clicks and this was one that they have named. Walk Dr Ward Go. I'd like to Star Trek. I can see that believe me and how does it work back from the states? Is that you just? How tricky tricky. If you've just need to find a sanitary suggest you could still bring them back in my suitcase. With the Frog December declaration managed to do that within the week I was I would rate a good nowadays. You call it anymore. You have to have them properly sending after go through a be checked and everything but yet lost you. You were still allowed to bring me in your suitcase with a declaration of course Walk Drive. And why is it? That Aspe- districts are more popular. Is it because they slow growing in there just when you do see them for quite expensive steel competitive say up spattered film of a similar size? You pay a lot more snow growing and most house laundry. I think that he's one of the reasons that they also growing. This sort of testing micro propagate as well so that might push the price down looking into that actually some of my plants To be tested today are stayed. No microprobe yes. That would be Microprobe can you explain what you mean? It's tissue cultures so you get so few sales from the towns and from those sales you make more clouds and you can get caught a few thousands out. If not many cells. A quick way to problem is not plans responded very well soon you can sometimes do micro but they might not be identical to the multiplier. You have so yeah that might have. It's funny though because if you Read any book from the eighteen hundreds to even the latest brexit every single. One says that they're coming back into action films. That must come in. Always interesting isn't it? I'm looking out photos of Victorian ladies with their Aspe- districts are just. I think that's a pretty thing to to the back. Odin and I need somebody to help. Plop which has been around. He documents to have been around for over one hundred years so once. You've got one even if it's expensive. Hopefully we'll loss for the Larsen. Harvey Kill Them Really. It's over. Watering is one of those things you need careful rally even a bit drier then to wet because they will just raw away and sometimes people get off by the ground tips on the league's with that it. Yeah he just needs to miss them all. Keep them in a high area and they'll be right there. Yes that's one of things with my answer districts so far they've been find that kind of insects. They haven't really been growing that much so obviously there are slow growing but was the best web getting them to put out needs any. Just maybe give them a bit more light than you might imagine. People also a live feed overfeed them with anything like once a year. Eighty detectives start growing their leaves around January February. So that's a but again On preparing for him to call our show for next year with a display. And the plants. I've kept outside in apology town. Luckily to shade tunnel they just shut up and they don't so lousy boy this be if you've got one anything struggling bid if you have a shady plays outside just leave it there for the summer and outside although you could with with very holiday would tends to them a bit of a boost to hold a day. That's a homemade does good. What about putting makes these plants a Fussy? Just regular Haussmann postal. Should we be adding all kinds of extras than fuzzy wall? Personally I use coconut Koi. After the economy which is free of the don't read Anita peak impossible and I'll give them a bit of successful tomorrow night. Something just to give them a bit of fade. Because Jeff was the the composite only medium. So you can add any fee to that. You grow a few months yeah. The Dessau Growth mcclendon area conflict. You don't want anything so sandy or anything to dance because they just won't lock air routes because otherwise they'll just Ross right okay. Well that is all top tips and not be able to get mine and a bit growing a little bit. Better cultivars is still haven't gotten your question that you seeking after you know stranger who visit the globe there any other ones. I mean other white and green is it's pretty outstanding. Is there anything else that's out? There still green was actually wanted was looking for and nab managed to get generally not really now. I think I've got most was documented. What I would like to do though is if I can get to Japan and see what kind of old cultivars have if there's anything around there there's one called amount of Gaba. Apparently the the original amount of Gaba has spot series one being sold at the moment we chest stripes and spots it's called amount of however Turns out that there is another one which is different so audrey to go to Japan and see what kind of old they have their Oso compared to see these English cultivar names are the actually the original cultivar. Nature is just something that's been food on through the trade as is so often the case. I'm B- Fox's phone each pulse but they do flower they do. Tell me about flowers. Because they're slightly strange Avatar. The at the base of they they stoller shape for purplish yellow in there as well but some of the other species Lexington as a much dogs these dock flowers but the flour actually determines to specie so if you just have to Ezra distress just with leaves you can't generally tell which species it is but you need to determine the specie. So what does a stigma look like? There is this myth which he can't get rid of that they are pollinated by slogs. But it's just simply not true. Remember my friend Robby Blackwell talking about this and say under is am I? I'm in my mind remembering that he was talking about. Fungus GNATS slide smooth flies off to lock mushroom. Basically right next Konate. If you open up against the you sometimes have to flour and a half and then you can release. Tell the sludge. Never pollinate them because they'd have to eat through the statement to get through to deploy said. Oh how interesting I mean. I guess probably won't be going just for the quality of Fausto curious extra do they review? Hello Allston can you expect to get the flower of year? Retests into flour on transit in reasonably speech. Split or have got stays in. The Pot is quite often. Hear people say of these aspects which has been family for a million years. It's never flowered. These caught off because they are so down. I think that is one of the reasons they don't so then quite often when clones of course they have reasonably part of the APP or something and they flour and especially the house can be quite big view the diameter of a ten P coins. Let's let's got things from has being returning and So do you ever go to an elderly ill? I was looking at people's window through people's windows. You walking around. Do you ever come spots of through a window? Go Oh my gosh. That's really suddenly seeing us for districts on expected setting. I find often like country. National Trust Properties will see expedition Stra. I find myself being even asked this. I'm sure that's the same for you. Yeah especially the variegated ones is to have a big variegated astronaut as nice as well and you don't often see them that often see the the normal green one of these in size but the variegated ones take longer of course as well and look after them for years for them to bulk up. Yeah yeah now. That star is yes always looking out for interesting things and Yuccas over photo archive of weird plants in saying. He hopes wants to can't with the national district. You also have national collection of Victorian posing with Aspe- district but people saving photographs laid plant heritage sent me a picture from Venice which was standing next to expedition style. Nice people do have these affinity with Astra district off the own. My grandmother used to have just being one of those people have seen before. Yeah that's what I enjoy about it as well. It's from the being beautiful. He's also the history about them. And how the Victorians after grow them and that also attracts me. Do you have people coming to visit the National Collection? Do you have did can you have? Can you consult made an appointment with the Gaspar districts that were heritage in national elections? You don't have to open up for the public with cough. Wants to show you clowns as well. One thing I'm doing with these when I opened my garden for the National Gardens Scheme I have my selection on this plane the living room but if he wants to come and see my national collection and they can find Monday evening on the heritage websites and the address and details and just give me raping grains all linked to that in the show notes. Shall we go have a look at some greenhouse plots allocation? Wonder I'M GONNA pick up this recorder. And let's have a look. What are your neighbors? Think probably like these has. Oh Yeah you you've been home. Yeah that's right. Yeah you know what? Tell us in because their front gardens jungle. Yeah just a lot of garage. Yeah this is interesting. This often recognize not shoot appendix Scott. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Nice initial fiction UNICEF him. Yeah I'M GONNA go into the the. It's a small space but Eagle of Aspirin districts in here. Yeah just GonNa Sniff that greenhouse smell lovely love greenhouse smell. So we've got loads more here. Manian here because Spider mite problem. Come and do something against buying the mind you out the humidity and predators on it as well. Yeah So yeah that's why he Humidity in the greenhouses quite highly. Especially with all the rain. We've had this really nice old cultivars in here and some back from America as well in this or some of the situation ends is mainly. Yeah Yeah Nice. Yes arrogation on this one. So that is What I mentioned for the what is sold as amount of God's got stripes and spots and amount of garlic is the Japanese name for Milky Way and quite often if you see a spot aspe- district for sale scarred often labelled as Milky Way is not really the correct anymore if they've named Jin general over the original Milky Way. Is this one here. So it's got the stripes in the spots and Kerry Gatien on there and it's on really trying to bulk it up a bit but it's very slow growing the white screen time you've got the splashes of of cream and cream stripes that's not of chlorophyll knows it to shoot been green. Yeah do you have. Do you ever have any aspects as in the ground like over if you have the plane green. Allot your could that be the ground? In any of the Latino recipient lenses and quantity of the other ones can can just go in grounded. Very Hollandi an alert era in sinensis species are hardy to minus fifteen minus twenty. But I've got another one code one fat lady I'll to minus twenty five so very home. Anything is it. Don't like it wet so I tend to Croon them. Maybe as ground cover under reports yet to try to give him that drained and so they don't rockaway. Yeah they're doing really well. You can just leave that sign warmly dogs spider. Mite probably is the major pests. Have any secret top tips other than increasing humidity Well what do I spray with? Espy invigorating the wonderful. Yes I don't want to any chemicals on it really. So it's so ganic or bite article control through These sachets hanging on the. I wanted to ask you about the Sushi. So this is a biological control. Is it a? Is it another might that? Yeah it is. Another Predator presided said. Eats the spider Mites. And this is one that you can put in lower temperatures as well. Yeah it does Should do the trick at least knock down a bit and hopefully eventually will get over it and I mean how does that work could use in the house as well as outside about them kind of wondering and not being in the right place no no they. They will stick to the to the plant radio. Banda food is of course. They won't go often go somewhere there. No SPIDER MITES. This particular one is one that Also leaves off pollen to having gone spider. My than at least they can't survive on as well. Pam. But it's a good one and Yeah you can't use them indoors. It's not like you have loads of bugs and suddenly the the tiny. They're about the size of a normal spider. Mite even so yeah. It's not worse than have expanded so those much once. They've done the job in the spider mites gone. They will die off because there isn't anything for them to eat. Unless you've gone pollens then they will continue. But yes. You have another manifestation. You probably have to repeat treatment. Yeah Oh it's great to be able to use these non chemical methods to control things. It's it's definitely worth looking into and people sort of. Do you find that other people are getting really into these rare and unusual expert districts and cotton swap trying to swap things with you and I mean is there? Is there market for these very rare ones in the market for the variegated monster? And I'm actually running an expedition European group on On facebook mainly set it up to be European because then you can shop around on as well but there are. Some very popular ones is one Which is in the trade as chromatic graphic which is actually called in Bauchi? I've got one indoors but it's got spots this aura around the spot as well and Yeah they sell nine-centimeter pox from forty to fifty pounds his shoulder after those again. It's the provocation. How do how is it just division? These ones where you're going to be it's just division and it's quite easy you just taken out of the You can clearly see the rise and if you find a bit that's got to beat a fruit only this well snap that off and just it's very easy. I've done it any via even do the middle of summer if Yeah and I guess the more you do that the small your original plan. It's not going to be a massively. GonNa end up with lows can you? Can you watch the seed situation though I mean? Can you ever get asprey district? I've never seen US they. They tend to Only produce seed when they're out in the ground When I was in the US they did have some seedlings there as well but yet in this country it just happened on set seed. Because we're just doing our annual so long on the podcast where we're talking discussing Growing House plus from seats and everything in terms of who couldn't you grow that from seed I? It's just interesting. What plants can and can be. You know you can get to eat or you can't get to see too. That's just an interesting okay. Yeah that's fair enough unusual. Well I guess that's why again another reason why it's you know if you could see then you'd be producing loads of plants and the price might be shape the knots Stay with from seed either. You'll get right which could be good in a way on the other hand you. How many do we need that? Just got this tiny little different strokes. Yeah I can see what you're saying Jones this one here which is intelligent mantle variation. This is beautiful verification with this sort of different levels of minty green stripes and cream. What's that one called man gets too? And that is one of the very old Japanese original county and It comes up. This is one of those. It changes color. So it comes up with these fight green leaves and then eventually the white will fade and they can fe to almost completely sorted green will fade and it will face almost completely white and it's got some spots as well but yeah that's a very old Japanese call divine. Those are the ones that I'm really looking forward to get original Japanese selections because that's where they They grew them so much. That's why they did. All those selections another Japanese Still Aspe- district crazy. They're still into them. One Lady spoke to. Who's Japanese said? Sir It's called this a toilet plants because they have a lot of outdoor toilets in the older buildings and if you'd always next to the toilet okay. I guess I guess that's true. Good collectors there. Well Nice to see your national collection and Yeah a long way the Aspirin district rain. It's going it's going to be around for forever so she's coming as it has been for the last however many years. Thank you so much to fill it for showing off his awesome collection of Aspe- districts. And now it's time for question of the week which comes from Cape Cod Causa on instagram. Great Scrim handled. It and Kate caught as I'll call them for short as a total of new to house plants and they've got a sense of various. Annika in a six inch wide by four inch deep pot and can't rights. I know they're need water about biweekly even that but I don't know how much they need at a time help. What a great question because I think this is one of the misconceptions about watering their eakin. Look at a plot and say okay. I'm going to give it a mug full of water every week on the same day at the same time and that way it will stay nice and hydrated but what. It's easy to forget when you're beginning. Is that the amount of water. The plant needs will change according to the conditions plants up to and of course what potting mix you put it into so this sounds various. Which is the plane green mottled form of the snake plant the genus has actually changed to your Sina Zelenika. But I'm not sure I can quite cope with that yet. It's a lovely plant. Dow's need regular watering during the growing season as Kate. Cod has pointed out. But how do you know how much to give it? Well the one way to make sure that Joe never over watering plant and this method also means that it doesn't really matter how much you water is to take the plant out of its parts of in and out of cash pot so it's just in its part with drainage holes and either put it in the sink and run load of water through that part until its well drained and all of the composites had a chance to get moist or place it in a container of water to soak up as much water as it candid about an hour and then allow it to drink by doing either of these methods. You'll letting the plant choose. How much water needs rather than dictating? Oh yes it needs a mug because inevitably you'll get that slutty wrong and if you don't remove any excess water from the bottom of the pot then routes rocked a hoy as you might say so I would recommend taking this plant out of its environment and sticking it in the sink and doing the watering once a week that way it's much better to water thoroughly and so that the compost is allowed to get wet and then to draw out the dribbling on a bit of water every now and again part of the reason for that is if you do that then the plot start to think that water is only available near the surface will grow a lot of roots near the surface which is not what you want. Want a nice ball much lower down in the port. And if you're not sure if you plant needs watering in the first place go ahead and stick your finger right in there right up to the end of your finger depending on the size of the pot and see what the potting mix doing around the root ball if it's completely dry then yes all need water. If it's still pretty damp at that level as opposed to being dry at the surface but still moist right in. The root ball than watering is required. I remember we'd send barrier in the winter this plant can be much much drier and you might be watering this once a month or so. So watching practices are really vital to get right with plants like these but it also makes a difference on the pausing mix so if you bought one of these the sharp estate plan that you just recently born is probably planted in something which is much more absorbent than I'd recommend so if you have got a freshly ball state plant just be really cautious on the watering and make sure that the plant is allowed to dry out thirty before water again then a good soak then dry. That's the kind of seesaw that these plants prefer. And once you get it potted up into something a little bit more free draining. Then you can be a bit more generous with the water because you sorted out the drainage issue so I hope that Makes Sense Cape Cod. And if you've got a question for alleged drop me a line on the ledge podcast. Gmo DOT COM. That's all for this week. Show if you're a Patriot subscribing they'll be an extra with Philip going up in the next few days until next Friday. Then keep the Aspe- district flying by the music you heard in this episode was Road Jordan road by the jaw drops and instrument. The boy called happy they get connor. By Samuel Cohen the tracks chiefs and Endesa both by ges tracks a license under creative Commons. See The show notes. Jane Dot Com for details.

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Episode 102: spider mites

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Episode 102: spider mites

"Thanks so much to truly market who've been backing on the ledge for the last three months. I'm really grateful for their support. This Utah by seat company is helping gardeners grow offering an incredible range of flour vegetable and herb seeds plus micro Greens mushroom growing kits and all kinds of other cool stuff so why not support caught on the ledge by giving truly market a try U._S.. Listeners you get ten percent off your first purchase at true leaf market dot com now using the code on the Ledge. Why not so some change in your garden with an order from chief market their products come with a thirty day satisfaction guarantee so I know you won't be disappointed? Sir Remember get ten percents off your first purchase at truly market dot com now using the coat on the ledge and hello hello and welcome to episode One oa-to of on the Ledge podcast. I'm your host Jane Perron and I'm hoping this is going to be a spine tingling episode well if not a spine tingling tingling episode then maybe a skin tingling episode because this week we're talking about the king of the House plant pests the tiny king because you can't see with the naked eye but nonetheless this red spider mite has to be one of the most annoying and hard to treat pests on your indoor plants particularly those of the Miranda group that CA- leitheiser is to numb fees stroh months and so on and the in this episode. I'm GonNa Talk Talk to to expert entomologists about the life cycle and habits of these crazy creatures explain what signs to look for when you think your plants have been infected and of course Hausa treat them and a monitoring the question about easy trailing plants for cat filled households congratulations this week to Nikki knife in South Africa. Who was the winner <hes> of the mother grow light competition that we ran in episode one hundred well done Nikki? Your grow light is spinning its way to you now and I really hope you enjoy using it and get loads of pleasure from Mitt Nikki was so excited when I emailed with the new so well done to you and thank you to everybody who entered. I got some lovely messages along with your entries which is really nice and it was great to have me more and thanks rule the lovely feedback McCone episode one. Oh one on spider plants. Yes I know spider plants to spider mites from the sublime to the ridiculous heart. That's what we like to do here. On on the Ledge podcast welcome to Lisa Leah and roads who who are all legends this week that's because they've signed up for the five dollar tier of my Patriot and not only can they download an exclusive digital artwork they can also listen to thirty episodes of an extra leaf the additional many podcasts that I put out for Patriot subscribers of five dollars a month or more and this week they can enjoy me talking about three books that have inspired me all the planty theme although not not directly about house plants and they can hear an extended interview with one of the entomologists in today's show about the crazy world of Mites and they'll also be adding an extra leave episode on my ventures with caladiums in the next few days so if you're not a patriots subscriber and you want to be check out the show notes at Jane Perron Dot Com to find out how yes it is in dollars but you can use any form of currency. You like to pay for it so don't worry if you're outside outside the U._S.. We welcome everybody U._S.. And Otherwise Spider Mites if the mere mention of the name does not immediately set your teeth on edge then you haven't experienced the true horror of a fool on spider mite infestation the first time Spider Vita Mites come to visit you probably won't realize until your plants looking pretty miserable. The trouble with these tiny creatures is they take up residence without us noticing and hang around doing damage before we know they're there and and even after you've treated a plant they can come back for more when you least expect it so I thought I'd start this episode by going on a little tour of my own houseplants checking for any spider mite evidence apologies in advance if it's a little bit noisy because we're having some building work today but I couldn't delay because I needed to go on a hunt four spider mites or in other words. Let's all go on the might hunt. Put those without children may not get reference but anyway out. We're going to look at my plant and see if there are any spider mites in evidence and my guess is that there will be because Spider Mites are everywhere so I'm GonNa go over here and have a look at my little mini window sill of Miranda Green plants. I've got three up here tonight the and lately McCoy honor and Ecclesia Mosaic now I we know that the Timothy has had spider my in the past so I think this is probably the number one suspect and it's just seems to be particularly vulnerable and if you're looking at a Miranda group plant and you want to have an idea of how vulnerable it will be despite might molay well experiential learning <hes> as found that the more papery and thin leaves the more likely it is that it will suffer from spied so the mosaic aac Kallithea Kallithea music just seems to have thicker more leathery leaves that don't seem so prone to infection on looking at this plot. It's I love this leaves on this suggests incredibly from was like a bar code. This looks fine. It's clear it's healthy is green. The undecisive Elif are showing no signs of any kind of residue or dust that might be an indication of spider mine and similarly the Peacock Leitheiser Maitha which is one. That's coming back from <hes> being abused. I was given it as a plan that Serb been suffering a bit so this one even though it's only tiny and is has had some a difficult early life if we can put it that way it's called loss of leaf damage but it hasn't got the coin of damage that tells me it spider mite so the neef damage here is kind of Browning to the edges which indicates lack of humidity but not the kind of mottoes look that you tend to get respond might and looking at the two nuns the I can see that it has had some spider mite damage because particularly when you hold up believes to the light on the underside you can see it is modeled and that's where the sap is sucked from the plant by the Spider Mites so I can see this been damaged and now I'm going to have a really close. Look at the leaves to see if I can see any current Snyder mite infestation you might not notice the Baxter believe starting to develop this grainy stuff that is the spider mites their eggs because it's really quite hard to spot unless you're looking for but you may notice the overall plant particularly with this Miranda group just kind of starts to sink thank drooping miserable and if that happens always check for spider mite fat check for Spina my anyway because it's so prevalent especially this time of year I looking at this plant. I can see that it's well. There's there's a tiny amount of evidence of spider mite rights at the point where the leaf blade the Lamma meets the Petiot Leaf Stem. There's a tiny amount of white stuff and if I get my magnifying glass also I can see that yes that is a tiny amount of spider mite damage so need to move this plant away from the others and treated again. If you have a really severe if an infestation you probably find that you get some webbing around around the pilots and the plants will start collapse and look absolutely terrible and then you'll be absolutely sure you're dealing with. I'm glad say I've never had one go that far. I've always managed to stop it but I do find the plots have been infected and a naturally weakened then become very vulnerable to repeat infections so you've just gotTa Keep Jackie knows leaves and in the case of this plant because it's got quite a lot of leaves what I will probably do if I find any leaves a look seriously invested. I'll we'll just remove them wholesale right down from the bottom of the stem and other other than that I will treat the plants with some SB plant invigorates and generally give it lots of love and it should recover fairly quickly really again but it's just a constant vigilance so that's that's my weekend of relief wiping sorted out. Let's find out a little bit more about the weird world of Mites I managed to get not one but two entomologist to chat to me on this subject. The first is Jules <unk> Howard author of death on Earth Adventures in evolution and mortality and columnist for the Guardian and Andrew Salisbury who's principal entomologist at the R._H._S. and the first thing thing that I want to know is where is this might from exactly. Is it an interloper that arrived in the U._k.. On shipment of plants has it always been here over to Andrew Salisbury. Oh my certainly has reached bottom hopped over on a punt but by the time we started looking at these things and people started growing <hes> times more widely to become widespread so it's actual origins probably aren't while not well known so he is the thing about Red Spider Mites lights and indeed the whole might family surprising that it may be. We really don't know much about this group of invertebrates so kind of like a one of nature's best kept secrets. You know there's loads of species. Every species is unique in its behaviours and habitats. Happy taxing its niches and to be only smokes people completely overlook them say Mites <hes> one of the many problems we're trying to understand how to deal with mice as pests is just not enough scientists out that willing to look at Tony Things they're all studying lions and macaques and other animals like that you know so as Jews how gist explained their nights. We don't know much about them. Fortunately the Glass House Red Spider mite which is the the past that causes most if not all of the damage to your house plants is one of the better studied Mites why because it's of interest to the horticultural community and indeed the industry of Horticulture to get this passed under control because after all while having your precious plants covered in spider mites and looking miserable may only 'cause you emotional stress for professional grows of plants it really can impact on their livelihood. So what what do we know about Tetris Tocchet commonly known as the Glass House Red Spider Mite or the two spotted spider mite east by my lips about four weeks and the females can lay about ten or twenty eggs every single day the hatch anything from about three days to two weeks after they've been laid and they generally hang out on the underside of leaves and suck sap out of plant cells and that's why you get the model defect that's that's where they'd just sucked the life oversell and you're left with a free Pale patch behind oversee. This is all happening on a really small scale hence the mottled effect as the spider mites take hold the leaf will get more and more Pale until eventually the it will die but the rate of expansion of a spider mite infestation can really depend on the conditions in which the plants are kept as Andrew Souls bree explains often said that transcribe particularly high temperatures choosing drawing over Clara county situations can be affected more badly than and pines growing and sort of more humid not quite hot environments <hes> sort of cases case yeah war patrician trying to keep it sort of the more acceptable level rotate the numbers down so they're not actually damaging plants too much dry heat really is the perfect breeding ground for spider mites which is why we really struggled up this time of year. When some of our plants can undergo heat stress as temperatures empresses get very high behind the glass in our homes as we've already heard Spider Mites can come in on plants that we've nearly bought which is why it's really important to not only examine every single plant that you bring into your? I'm very very carefully but ideally also quarantine them away from your other plants for a few weeks before you introduce them to the gang because that way you can make sure there's no pests in evidence. I have to admit I don't do this every time but I have have paid the price in the past for not doing it so if you can if you've got the rim to keep that quarantine area up and running please do although the only thing was saying we spy demise is bear in mind that although they don't have wings they can actually actually floating through a window and indeed float from plant to plant if there happens to be a bit of a breeze from an open window or door. Yes these things are little ninjas are capable some species of blowing around in the wind <hes> particularly the species like Spider Spider Mites that can make silk you know they can make little threads that catch the wind and as you say they fly around and these animals are so prolific in terms of their breeding that these exponentially increases capable high school I mean only one or two mites can lead to a whole infestation you know after twenty days or so and one of the signs that you've really serious infestation is the site of the webbing Spider Bites on actually Iraq doc needs as such so. Why do they Jeez this silky stuff back to Jules? I'm not provide insights at the moment and you realize a lot. These smaller insects do the same thing but it's basically a way for if you're living for instance on a leaf on the side of a tree there aries various things trying to attack and kill Lisa Fungal parasites trying to get you bacteria oversee other Mites so but producing a line of silk everywhere they move running around they make a complex of <music> blanket of silk and it becomes kind of protective barrier basically from the things that are trying to kill it so a lot of corn is because obviously as you say that that that kind of into related very closely to one another and you know they just like cloning so that whole colony colony can get covered up with these touches silk and it protects it protects debate it keeps the phrase high and mighty a whole nother meaning well. 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Content decorators the <hes> plant oil-based products uh foxing acid based products <hes> deem oil might be recommended the few places like states but it's not registered Bution U._k.. So we can't recommend not issues. He'll be tried tested. <hes> registered U._K.. US <hes> so really it is using things like the plan. Does the fatty acids organic type all <hes> has disowned <hes> that that can help <hes> the systemic mannix Lloyd et Cetera my prayed ace also available eatable <hes> but of course all p people do have concerns with systemic pesticides these days <hes> other controls all they're all arrange abolish controls. The most famous at which is the fight to save is might but on a small collection of of plan have planned it may not be as effective as in a large house you call to that. I will be testing later but let's have a recap. I think the most important accordin element of Red Spider mite control is what we call in the business cultural control and that means just changing the conditions in which your plants live in order to ensure that they are as healthy and happy as possible because that way they are less susceptible able to pest infestations because pest tend to target plants thou are already weakened and that might be that they're the humidity level is too low for their needs or they're getting stressed at the roots because the water supply is too uneven uneven or because the temperature is wrong or because they're in too much light or too little light so trying to keep your plants happy should help to keep pests obey that said clearly spider Mites can still strike strike at any plant and this is where pesticides come in systemic pesticides are the synthetic pesticides where the active ingredients are taken up into the plant and its actual system and therefore they quite long lasting it can be quite effective however these are the ones that contain neo knicks near nicotinoid the active ingredient in the one used for spider Mites is called a settlement printed and the reason why I don't use these are tend to follow organic principles in my garden indoor and out and Neha Knicks have been found to damage pollinator populations and so I don't really want these in my garden especially as I put my dead house ponts onto the compost heap so I steer clear of those but if you do use them just make sure you follow the instructions absolutely to the letter and in fact that applies to any pesticide or product that you're using on your plants please read the label. I cannot say that strongly enough there are pesticides which have organic approval Ville however and these usually contain things like plant oils or fatty acids and these are work on the bodies of the Spider Mites and basically either kill them or damage them in such a way that they can't continue to reproduce and depending on what country you're in. You'll find many of these products are available as sprays <hes> and liquids that can be used on plants again read the label really carefully unchecked bought the active ingredients are that way you know that your product is does does not contain any neonicotinoids. There are other products as well which are often called plant invigorated or plant defenders these are quite new to the market and their remix of nutrients that the plant needs and surfactants and these just literally reduce the water tension the surface tension of water <hes> make water wetter effectively and allow the spray to stick to the leaves more easily and they can help to loosen spider mites and help remove them <hes> used in conjunction with a program of spraying and wiping and in fact any of these fatty acid or plant all products you can use by spraying the plant <hes> and then wiping the debris of them. This is the way I would proceed really isolate your plant well away from any other plants particularly things like of a CA- leitheiser that particularly prone to Spider Mites and start a program of washing down your plant spraying something like S._p.. Plant invigorates. Collaborator or eco-effective plus defender wiping the lead especially the undecideds where the spider mites tend to hang out. I just keep doing it. Just keep replying and replying day after day until all the signs of Spider M._I._T.. Gone then a few days later CEC again. Check check check and you'll find there's probably some more <hes> eggs there which need removing and just keep going. If you have any really seriously infected leaves then sometimes you can remove those completely completely and give the plant a better chance of recovery that way perhaps the most fun way of dealing with spider mites might be a biological control if I can put it this way it's a bit like game of thrones under a hand Lens so effectively actively you introduced one might to kill another might there's a predatory mite that might that Angie mentioned could fight a serious personals and this is the one that's often used to kill off might the whites we don't want the Red Spider Spider Mites. They're introduced into the the house plant area usually a big glass house and they eat away at the Red Spider Mites at every stage of their life cycle and can be very effective in your home though where you might have quite small plant population population is Andrea. Salisbury explained possibly not so effective but Kinda fun though I do want to give it a try here's Andrew to explain a bit more about how it works. They do come a living animals <hes> so you if I wanted to biological control supplies allies open they send it out and it will be on they often call me live from Kabul things where you you pay back to strip or sash it the you earn and and Paul <hes> basically the Mickey Alliance which taints the minds on the planet video living mice and they can get get going straight away <hes> the key with the biological controls these always keeping on your spot those early signs and when you do see the signs <hes> might damage and Mike populations that is the time to introduce bottles controls you might I got out of hand and you're you're beginning to dry up and the the might really causing serious damage it probably a bit late then to introduce biological control and when it comes to Neem oil I should mention this one to this has become a very popular treatment for houseplants and it's an extract from the Neem tree. It is natural naturally occurring ingredients. It's not a synthetic chemical but it's not approved for use in the U._k.. As a pesticide which is why I don't use it if you do use use it. If you're in a country where it's it's allowed to be used. Please please please follow the instructions really really carefully as you would do for any other pesticide because just because it's natural in inverted commas doesn't mean that you can fling around <hes> with this guy abandoned and not take any notice of the instructions so make sure you delete it to the right levels and use it carefully and while you're treating your plant again look at the levels of overall health and check if it needs reporting all of these things can help to just give your plombat extra booth and get it back to its former glory move quickly one final mystery to solve before we put this subject to spite him is to bed and that's why are they cooled Red Spider Mites because quite often he looked at them under a hand Lens. They aren't actually read for for those who actually sees the spider Mite of the highland what you often see a pale colored might often with two black dots on on the DORSAL surface <hes> and you might be wondering why they are called grass red spider mite by most of this new K. whereas North Americans tend to call them two spotted spider mite obviously because those two spots well apostoli cycle particular when they badly damaged transfer when they're going to a wintering they the females do actually turn an orangey red and that's the only stage owns you read most of the rest of Tomei all that to Pale green color with two dots and if I can leave you with a final might Mike related towards it's this although we do want to make sure that our plants are not inhabited by a huge population of red spider mites might as part of a huge group of invertebrates are actually really really important and is really unrealistic if not completely wrong headed to ever imagine that we're going to get our house plants soil to be free of these microorganisms as a group you know million species a single single handful of soil having absolutely thousands of individuals in it. You can't really control that you know to control that you would kill the soil springs housing minds almost wholly responsible for decomposing leaves into smaller and smaller chunks that makeup the soil you know without doing that without the action along with worms we would basically stop you know within a year so yeah. There's no such thing I would say is like clean soil. You know these animals that kind of that. That's a stay. I and I suppose the more we talk about the more convenient them in a positive light staff. I say well that's a great note to end our might chat today. If you want to hear the full interview with jewels because he had so many fascinating eating things to say about non plant dwelling Mites that you might find interesting you can do so if you happen to be a patient subscriber of five dollars a month or more an extra leaf number thirty is up now and you can hear my full chat with. Choose in that episode now question of the week comes from Brighton Days on Instagram Aka Charlotte who wanted some training plot recommendations that were can't friendly for beginners but not too common well Charlotte. I'm not sure if this one is considered to be common or not but I really love it and that's what's called Myers asparagus fern also known as the foxtail fern the normal asparagus fern Plume Oasis that has an upright right habit but the excel fern has a beautiful foxtail like stem which once he gets long enough will start to dangle over and trail and it looks absolutely lovely and it's not toxic to plants and it's pretty the easy to look after so that one would be pretty high on my list for your requirements. If you've got a really hot sunny spot then seed him Mughanna on the boroughs tail succulent that one is fine for cats hats and it also would look beautiful in a head pot. I love it when they're displayed in that way so that the stems look like MMA juices hair. That's another great one but only if you've got plenty of Sun It's worth noting that as far ars I know on it's just worth double checking this before you buy but all of the plants in the Genera- pilot and Pepperoni ah all cat friendly so that includes things like pilot Lebanons's often described optus pilot Glauca or Fila a beautiful tiny lead pilot that trails beautifully and is really really super easy to grow <hes>. I really liked that one and there's lots of pepper omya choices for trading plants to including Ostrava. I find it more difficult to grow but something like pepperoni a quadrangular Harris. I think that is a super easy pepperoni. That's definitely worth a try and it may not be in vogue the moment but I think this is wrong before earlier. The old-fashioned Grape Avi is a great choice sorry about that. It's a trading plunk attractive looking leaves and his easy to look after and won't kill you cap and I don't think you can say fairer than that. I hope that's helped Charlotte and if you've got a question for on the Ledge podcast drop me a line my wonderful editorial helper Kelly is charting all of your queries and a wonderful spreadsheet so when I come to my Cuna C._N._i.. Special very soon I will be able to answer as many as possible so thanks to all of you who are getting in touch two things to mention before I go listen to Steve is hoping to organize listener get together in Glasgow so in Scotland so if you happen to be Scottish listener do join the facebook group House plant fans of on the legend you'll find Steve there. If you just Google Glasgow and Steve you'll find him or otherwise. Just drop me a line and I'll put you in touch with Steve also also there's a London plant cruel happening on July twenty eighth. Unfortunately I can't attend but it's going to be an east London tour of some of the best places to shop for House plants including Columbia road flower market so the details of that are in the show notes and I really hope that you can support that event. That's all for this week. Show I'll have given you a new insight into the invisible things going on all around our house plots doc. I'll see you next week by SPA SPA. Uh ooh it it was down. I see <hes> Haglund three and four the too thin <music> in the music in this week's episode was roll Jordan Rope by the joy in certify by kid and nasty and Loonie Spider.

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Midweek bonus 1: how we're going to get through this...

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14:27 min | 4 months ago

Midweek bonus 1: how we're going to get through this...

"Well hello. We don't normally speak at this time of the week but as we say here in England we're facing what I would call a bit of a rum do at the moment with this corona virus outbreak. And I've been hearing lots from you about how much you're appreciating the sound of Medusa Tones. Right now so. I'm going to be doing everything I can to bring you some extra stuff during this really difficult time and in this bonus episode amid weak bonus. Episode. I'm going to be telling you what I'm planning to do. And we'll also be hearing from a listener in meet the listener so a little bit of extra content to keep you going in these tough times. I know already on. The Ledge provides a really important part of everyone's week on a Friday. Or One of you happen to listen and with many people either self-isolating home or feeling a bit stressed at work. This is a time when all of us need to hunker down and have some downtime where we can think about something other than our health and the health of our families and friends. And that's where on the ledge comes in. So here's what I'm going to be doing and what I've already started doing fact. So number one houseplant. Our this is an hour of twitter chat over on the social media platform. No news twitter. This usually happens once every two weeks or once every fortnight as we say here in the UK. Do you have term in America? You Have Game Kufo Ni- surely you know what fortnight is. Anyway so usually houseplant. Our happens every two weeks but at the moment I think that all of us could benefit of a weekly dose of plant positively so I did one an extra one last night nine o'clock GMT. There'll be another next Tuesday at nine o'clock GMT. So please if you are on twitter joined in if you're not on twitter joined to Jesse can join in and it's easy to do. All you need to do is follow me on twitter. Where I'm Jane Perron. I also have an account for House Plan Tower at House plan tower. Follow either of those accounts and you kept be kept in touch with what's going on and you can just follow the Hashtag House Plon Tower which he should put on every post that you contribute to the thread. What can you post? Well you can just ask a question you can share some pictures of your plants be Monja plant disasters show of plot holes. Whatever you want to do. Sometimes I'll throw out question or offer some tips myself last night. I offered long thread of suggestions for things that people could do. Perhaps don't have many houseplants ready or one to extend what they're growing so take a look at that. Put a link to it. In the show notes it was things like grabbing some coriander seeds out of your spice rack and sewing them as micro Greens. Just really simple things you can do right now. If you've got a fair few minutes spare to do something that might provide you the little punch of flavor in your food in the coming weeks and also just gives you something to concentrate on number two house plunked buddies so I've set up a scheme. Where if you need support. Chattan advice then. You can pair up with another listener to get this a mainly running this through facebook. There's opposed on the house. Plant Funds on the Ledge Creep. Way You can tell a little bit about yourself and hopefully find somebody to match up with. And then you can swap twitter. Dm's or facebook DM's or instagram DMZ. I think that's probably the safest way to do it. And just it's an opportunity to just maybe have a chat with somebody who might have the same plot interested you and you might need that extra bit of support one to one so go and look about facebook post if you are a member of House Plant Funds on the Ledge. If you're not on facebook and he wants to take part drop me a line and I will try to find somebody for you to pair up with extra episodes well as you can hear. This is the first of some extra episodes coming. It's a mid week bonus episode that I'm calling it. It'll come out kind of somewhere in the middle of the week as and when I can. Obviously this is perceiving. The I stay well and I can keep putting podcasts out. I will keep you apprised of fat as much as I can. These episodes will be a mix of things they might be extra interviews they might just be me rambling on randomly. Also planning to do some more soundscape like the one idea Christmas. 'cause I know people enjoy those number. Four no breaks so. I'm going to try to keep the show going without taking any breaks over eastern because I know that could be particularly pressure time for a lot of us that will mean that the episodes might be a bit shorter or different. But I will try to keep pumping out the episode's Week on week. There may be the odd week. Were don't do an extra between episode Bible. Do My best to get as much content out to you. I'm patron subscribers. Yes I will also be putting new stuff out on your feet as well now to make all of this work. I do need your support and a hate to be asking for money all the time but there. There are financial implications to me doing this for me in terms of having to turn down other work in order to do this also. I've been getting some extra hours for my assistant. Kelly so she can help me and so money is important. Thank you to those of you who have already come in and given one often. Nations or committee to becoming a patron subscriber. Thank you to Jonathan and Bobby for your one off donations and to jody and Abigail for becoming legends bear. Mind if you do become a legend or a super fan then that will mean that you do unlock extra content on the. Oh Wow there's a beautiful long tailed tits on my quince tree. Oh you are so sorry you know how this happens are usually edit this out but I'm gonNA keep it in because it might be fun. So yes if you become a legend or superfan remember you unlock extra bonus content. So you'll be coming along and you'll be unlocking forty extra episodes of the podcast could come in. Handy for few weeks of self-isolation so that's an option. If you want to do something to support the show but you want to get something back which is absolutely fair enough. Then one thing he could do is take a look at my merchandise shop. There's twenty percent off right now until the twentieth of March you just have to go to the site. And you'll see the link to redeem that the black bar top which is where you can redeem the discount if you go to Jane Perron Dot Com. You will find a link that says shop in the top right hand corner that will take you to the shop. And just now I have added a new design. 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It's easy even if they're not on smartphones or very put cost savvy they can just go listen by pressing the play button on each episode on the website. It really is that simple and I really hope that way we can expand the listenership and get this podcast out to more people who might just need that extra boost of chat about green stuff in their lives. Just your mind you also. I'm doing a q and a special over the Easter weekend. So get your questions in now. I will try to make that a nice long episodes and get in as many questions as possible. So do get your questions to me on the Ledge podcast g mail DOT COM. And if you want to take part in meet listener yes we want to hear from you because we want to meet as many listeners as possible so drop me a line to on the ledge podcast at G. L. DOT COM and my sister. Kelly will be in touch with the very simple instructions on how to take part and finally. I'll be trying to do much on instagram. As possible in terms of instagram's stories. So if you don't follow me on instagram please do. J. Dot L. Perron. I'm nearly a ten thousand followers. Which means that. I can do some things on instagram stories. Once I reached that target so again. If you're not following me on instagram please do. Because that way I can get to that target and do swiping up extravaganzas and so on so that you're about wraps up what I'm up to if there's anything else that you think you'd like me to do or I could help with them. Please do get in touch. It's a busy time but you are. What powers this show and I take direction from you so please do. Let me know if there's something that I haven't thought of that you would like to add. Ooh What other thing. I'm going to do a post. Which is a list of gardening podcasts? Other than on the ledge which are worth. Listen so if you run out of episodes of on the ledge you will be able to check that out and look at what other podcasts in the planty world worth listening to you because there are many and they really deserve your support so I will post that in all the usual places. Once it's live and Friday's episode is an interview with Eagle Rock Judith of urban jungle bloggers about the new Book Plant Tribes. So that will be unto. And now just as. You're getting sick of the sound of our voice. Let's meet listener. Jen Time. My name is Jen. I am in the United States Rhode Island the East Coast I've been the person who loves plant since I was plenty of my teens. Late teens early twenties ahead a budget plan home and then when I went to college I had to get rid of the mall and I took a long time to come back to them but Maybe about two three years ago. This point I started collecting again and I have a huge collection now. Probably around one hundred fifty plants or so Keeps growing lots of thanks to listening to on the ledge and learning about new plants to collect question one fun and all your plans are about to burn. We want you grab as you escape. I would say I would probably grab my Govan Nossa just because I've never seen it again since I bought it was only one actually the nursery when I bought it and there are known anyone else that has one and I looked at a few websites online in this always out of stock nobles. I don't think that would be replaceable. So it's difficult to properly so I haven't been able to do that so are probably grab that once. I couldn't get another one question to what these your favorite episode of all allege. My favorite episode probably would be the. I think because Marion episode. I just think I learned a lot and episode. I'd never known much about those plans. I thought the Expert was really informative and I just found it really interesting. And of course led me to buying a handful of Guzman's after that question three which lasting name. Do you say to impress people usually when I start mentioning? Latin names people's eyes glaze over so I don't too often onto my plant friends but I think my favorite near the moment would be rough for Tetris. Sperm Sounds Kinda cool question. Fool Cross you mentioned acid metabolism attention. I'm going to say contagion just because I don't even know Chris you. Sation metabolism is so yeah. I know containers. I've seen my parents do and it's pretty cool question five. Would you rather spend two hundred pounds on a variegated monster? All Two hundred pounds on twenty interesting category. This is a tough one but this is a hypothetical two hundred pounds or dollars because I would never spend that in real life. I'm GonNa say even though I love Cacti love intestine CACTI I would go with the variegated monster because I really want one and I really have no idea where I would put twenty Cacti in my house anymore. So the pretend money I would go with the monster. Thanks to JEN. And thanks to my Assistant Kelly. Who Edits all the meat the listener slots that's it for this midweek bonus episode? Let's stay in touch. Keep talking keep looking after your plants stay strong by the music you heard in this episode was roll Jordan Roll by the joy drops and chiefs by Jigsaw both tracks a licensed degraded comments. Cj PEROT DOT COM for details.

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Episode 103: houseplants and sustainability part one - peat-free

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37:47 min | 1 year ago

Episode 103: houseplants and sustainability part one - peat-free

"<music> hello hello and welcome to on the Ledge podcast. The award-winning House plunked podcast hosted by me Jane Perron. If I come to your house yes I will be lifting up your parts and checking that everything is not rebound auto locked and yes I. Do you want to identify your mystery plant. In this episode. I'm going to be tackling the topic of Pete and answering a question about a way would and fury him thanks to Alex this week who left a review review on the cast box podcast APP which made me laugh. Apparently I'm sincere and humble. I think he'd be listening to the wrong podcast Alex but Alex also said the show doesn't give that pumpkin spice Latte ace lash instagram seagrams stereotype Vibert all ooh Pumpkin Spice Latte Yuck. I'm much more of a Nice Cup of English breakfast tea. Thank you very much but thank you for leaving your review Alex and are really do love reading all the reviews impose mostly positive occasionally negative. It's all great feedback so thank you to everybody who has left a review for on the ledge on your podcast App of choice and thank you also to Nicole who became a legend this week by signing up up to the five dollars of my Patriot on one of the great things about Patriae on and the ads that I run on the show is they're enabling me to do more things to get on the ledge out to an ever wider and more diverse audience kids on one of the things I'm working on right. Now is transcripts of the show. This is really important because accessibility is a real issue and I don't want anyone to feel like they can't get access to the show because it's not in a format that works for them so very shortly transcripts of the show will be going up at Jane Perron Dot Com for every episode starting from episode one hundred and going on from there if I can I will get back date and get as many transcripts rips up for earlier episodes but for the moment I'm aiming to get a transcript up for every new episode. This will enable anyone who wants to look at exactly what I said to see the notes and the transcript should help people who are hard of hearing <unk> own label to listen to the show for any other reason to get access to the same information as as everybody else am I can only do this because of your support on Patriot and also the support of advertisers who sponsored the show so thanks to everyone who supports the show whether that's just simply listening to the ads or whether it's a donation made on patriots it all helps and if you've got any other ideas about how to make the show more accessible. Please let me know I am always opens. A suggestions on the Ledge podcast at g mail DOT COM is the best way of getting in touch. We're mixing things up this week by starting out with our question which comes from Pazzi see patsy discovered the podcast last week and rights. I binge so completely that I caught up last night my goodness patsy you must be so sick of the sound of my voice anyway. She's been enjoying this show and she says that she found her first but red spider mite affected plant today after listening to the episode on them so she knew what to do and that is great news because I love that when the podcast has a direct and immediate impact on how you'll he off your oh plants that's what we like to hear. PATSIES question concerns what she calls a monstrous and theory him that she's had for three years and it's been growing and flowering non stop from the wonderful emporium A._M.. Dot Es little. I don't know if you have this in America. Don't think you do but it's a U._k.. Supermarket that's also I think in other parts of Europe well they do sell house plants but in my experience you've got to get in that the the day that they arrive because because they tend to go downhill pretty fast but you can occasionally snag a bargain they did have a fiddle leaf figs a while back so onto patsies question. She's going to report this on Theorem but she wants to know what to do about the massive stems stems slash aerial roots which are almost a foot long and she says I'm sure that's meant to tell me something. I just don't know what is there something I can do about this or is this just the way they grow patsy your and fury 'em looks in pretty good shape. The thing to remember about an theorems is that these are epidemic plants which generally anchor themselves to trees and the young seedlings can actually exhibit what's called Scotto Tropism which is moving away from light now that sounds counterintuitive but what these plants do is when the young seedlings they know somewhere in their DNA that they need to move towards a tree or some other anchorage to climb up up to the light so the ceilings are Scotto tro PIC so they're moving towards something darker in the hope that is a tree they can then anchor themselves to and this gives us a hint about the aerial roots so these plants will be anchoring themselves in Tree Bach in clefts in trees on the whole and then growing up towards the light therefore those aerial roots in their native environment are absolutely vital in his native home in South America. <hes> your classic and Theorem will definitely need those aerial roots but does it need those aerial roots in your home in well enough. She say where you're from patsy but anyway. I guess you've got two options. Do you cut the aerial roots off O._D.. Leave them where they are just report with those aerial roots in place. The aerial roots are reached the coming out of the stem say imagine the plants growing up a sign of a tree trunk look oversee. Those aerial roots are GonNa go an anchor the plans. Loans but if your blood is just growing regular pot those aerial roots just going to start to S- play out so what can you do with them well. If you are a fan of misting than missing. Those aerial roots can really help to keep the plant in good shape being from South America obviously requires lots of air humidity so that's one way it can take up moisture through using those aerial roots if long enough to Tuck them into the pot below you can also do doc because then they will go down into the soil and helped anchor the plant and also be drawing up nutrients and water as any do it may also be worth considering giving this large anthem some support of some kind or other because as you say this though stems are only just GonNa get longer so a system of few canes or a little bit of Trellis work or Moss Pole or two might just help to stop your anthem getting <hes> floppy as it gets larger patsy. Let's see I personally. I don't think you're GONNA kill the plant by cutting the aerial roots off but I think it's probably better to leave them as they are a lot of plants from South America that live in tropical rainforest canopy areas display this activity philodendron being another prime example and I tend to leave those routes on the other thing to bear in mind is that if he ever WanNa take cuttings of the plant then those those sections with aerial roots attach can be detached and made into new plants. I I mean the plant is happy is clearly happy as it is so don't mess with what's working well and keep those aerial roots intact when a plant is doing what it does in its natural environment than generally. I put that down as a really good sign when a plot is doing something that it doesn't do it is natural environment like a cactus becoming E._t.. Related Leggy <hes> that is when you need to start worrying so the fact that this plants go aerial roots can only be a good sign Pazzi Pazzi. Let me we know how you anther him does when you report and if you've got a question for on the ledge please send me an email on the ledge podcast at g mail DOT COM <music> this week's show is the first part of an occasional series. I'm going to be working on in the next hear all about sustainability and houseplants. This is a topic close to my heart and I hope it's close to yours to perhaps by the end of the series it will be if it isn't right now unless you've been living inside bag of potting mix for the past a few years you can't afford to notice that things on this planet of ours well if I can use classic English understatement here they're a bit tricky. We finally woken up to the fact that all that plastic which earning out isn't going going anywhere in our lifetime or kids lifetime or their kids lifetime. He can't throw things away because whereas away anyway and climate change is very very real and very scary in our cozy houseplant community is ease feel as if nothing we as individuals can help but there are things you can do to make your house plant habit more sustainable and that's what we're going to be looking at in this series. We're going to be talking about things like plastic use through pots and fertilizer containers and that kind of thing about plant miles where you source your plants from and also about the growing media that we use if you've got any other suggestions options for sustainability topics we should tackle. Please let me know today. The topic we're going to be tackling is Pete. Most of you probably know that Pete is a major component of a lot of the potting mixes that houseplants grown in or that are sold in bags for you to use to report your plants but what is Pete actually made from. It's basically decomposed. Moss that comes from acidic wetlands boggy environments and it takes millions of years to form National Geographic has called Pete the forgotten fossil fuel because once you've extracted peat from a book you may be able to restore it to wetland status be not going to be able to harvest anymore pete for a long time whereas all P coming from well. If you're using pete in Europe. It's probably coming from folks in Ireland. Germany Finland Sweden a few other places and in the U._S.. Most of the Pete comes from Canada. There is an argument that well Canada's huge and is covered in peat bog. So what's the problem well. My problem with Pete is that it's not a new renewable resources not something we can simply make more of and why should we use it. When there are so many other raw materials we can use to make our potting mixes his which worked just as well and there's even more reasons to love Pete books as they are? These environments are home to an incredible array of different plants including our much loved carnivorous plants and there's increasing increasing evidence that peat bogs can do a lot to help us mitigate climate change their huge stores of carbon. They also help to purify water and can also mitigate flooding too so let's love our people folks. I'm find every way possible we can to avoid using Pete in our house plant compost mixes and an increasing number of plant people around the world are carrying out amazing research and finding ways of kicking pete out of the world of plant production. We're going to be talking to one of them today. Sean Hague's of floor live nursery here in the U._k.. He's been working on a pete free potting mix formulation for carnivorous. Chris Plants for the past thirty years but first. Let's hear from this week's show sponsor for me. The hardest thing about learning a new language as an adult is finding the time in my week to get out to a language learning class and that's where Babbel comes in babble is the language learning APP that gets you speech in a new language with confidence you can choose from fourteen different languages including Spanish Spanish French and Polish and Babble is designed to get you speaking your new language with ease civil quickly. The convenient lessons are just ten to fifteen minutes long and you can do them anywhere you'll learn through interactive dialogues and speech recognition technology so you can affect your pronunciation and accent and the good news is you can try babble for free with on the Ledge podcast go to babble dot com or download the APP and try it for free backed Babbel B. A. B. B. E. L. dot com or download the APP to try to free bobble speak a new language with confidence so my name Sean eggs. I run a congress long. Record Flora live in the U._k.. And I've been growing carnivorous plants fool just forty eight hours and thirty of those have been entirely paid free on presently a believe with the necessary gasoline in the world that grows multiple general of carnivorous plants technically paid for their other guerrillas who are experimenting with Patriots Some we've had some success some who haven't and they're all nurseries in in other parts of the world for instance Sri Lanka grabs specific Genera- <hes> in a type of Patriot medium simply because they unable to paint in the world and at the moment. It's the grabbing trained. What was it that he is ago that made you make that change because back then I mean Pete really was just an inverted commas normal thing to do it was and I think fundamentally sort you've what prompted it from my point was at grubbing carnivorous plants as a young lads found it very very hypocritical that in order to graduate successfully you're not fundamentally dig up the Georgia environment that that grooming some somewhat counterproductive <unk> the spark in my head to be honest with you and traveling around on various of trips in extensions token to pay ban <hes> AH chemicals Thala in in a positive light where there's a very very large bog which had been significantly grind in the sixties and we were discussing that and saying some of the different telling me about some of the differences that at night to the local environment <unk> this back under the seventy something like that and it really struck a chord with me on believe leave that point in time that it was the should be necessary to dig up payback's drying them and take them up in order to grow clowns but specifically cognitive response that pulling team telling so? I decided that somebody needs to do something about it. So from that point onwards really says about trying to find alternatives well. I think you're a bit of a visionary in this area by the sound of it because then lots of other carnivorous plant grows in the congress plunk community kind Clinton giving you the side I am wondering enough. You're going on about it. Yeah it was it was quite low K to start with and obviously because there was a tremendous amount of research I had to be done and trialing and trying to source different materials to charge obviously until was a reasonable degree of success. You don't sort of show tonight that back then although there is a certain amount of popularity we'd connor versus loans games that they couldn't reach the nevertheless <unk> popularity that that I have to die for instance and there wasn't an awful lot known a- by Hadji grabbed them that you hadn't got the variety of of material available the reach to die and there was practically literature whatsoever the first time I how Venus flytrap there were narrowing instructions with it was just applaud with with offensive graphic stuff and it took two years ace of repeated attempts to try and grab one successfully so realistically wasn't until probably the me tonight knowing ts before are sort of revealed what but I've been up to in the I got something that were to Redo Gray and there was there was interest but only amongst the conifers punk community. I would imagine that you don't want to give away your exact relation because this something this gone so much worse going into but tell me more generally what kind of qualities does a good carnivorous plant compost does is it to do with texture is it to do obviously with Ph dimension nutrients yet yes he come back right. <hes> I think collectively known as Bob blocks which is which is true for the majority so a majority of them will grow in bogs marshes in different places around the world <hes> but fundamentally environments where the grind that that groggy and east is relatively fred nutrients so which is basically while having evolved into convoy so that they can supplement the nutrition because there isn't any nutrition in the grind boggy soils late. I retired an awful lot of water so anything that you're going to use to grab the name names to have that as an attribute knicks to be relatively free totally. Totally free of nutrients and and things like that so those are the two fundamentals and depending on which which category plunge growing for instance most of them sitting Kokai poteen apply in a blunt pot sitting in <unk> to join the grabbing season and that's fine are the ones that are a little bit more independent as for instance the growing in Coney Island Pisces is like batting rainforest environments than dight prefer to be from above and I don't like every sitting in water <unk> to formulate something that is a cover or is extremely difficult when when when I came up breath something which I consider is probably going to be searchable what I did was I had several different formulations nations which were applicable to different generous of plans the record slightly different altering conditions and that's how it all started to be honest with you from day. One Stop was achieved. The objective became deterrence defy that because I think for people that the buying public somebody in a call center wants to buy a carnivorous plants all by some colleagues plunked come posturing since they won't simplicity. They don't want to have to buy three or four different bags of of different things to grow range applause. It's easier if they've got something as a cover only. If you like on inside that that was the next sort of agenda it took another six or seven years to achieve that and what we have now in that product is something that can fundamentally be used for all carnivorous plants <hes> Prajit you very the way that you just on the Pete Free issue. Obviously lots of listeners are concerned about this topic and want to do the right thing obviously if they're in the U._K.. They can order your Pete Free carnivorous plant mix and which is wonderful this movement going forward in other countries of their other places in the world where people doing similar work to you there on our yes originally obviously their words because it wasn't fully understood. I don't think society that was an issue now. There are people in in impressively every country think experimenting continually with with pig free to to shave this iconic thing that we've done on give them an opportunity to grow these plants paid for and I think he's probably side to side it realistically. That's exclusively people winning. The Connie was punk community so you know hobbyists in unpeopled that have been driving them for it while than the repeatedly in American respect about America replete below that the joint to find ways to grow them paid for but he's very very small percentage in the Yucai the broiler in Shropshire Gross Saracini predominantly <hes> he holds the national collection of Cyrus Sania his neither developed a pig brain banks that he used his throne he started saying yeah. I'm not very well and and other people having success with that as well and you can buy the constituents tonight that up which come from thing wrong if I'm writing signing think he uses a malcontent bice a product Malcolm Day I mean Mexican's a couple of other constituents and that's kind of thing to freely available in in sort of in the U._k.. You kind walkies but I think it's a trend that there is more urgency amongst everybody to grow everything not just congress plans but everything paid for it is vitally important that we do that so obviously that spills over into Kong and a lot of people are trying all sorts of different ways to find what works for them and I think that's a k point. He's been while some people had success than in their own environment the why I grow their plans where they'd rather plants in how they go that loans it doesn't necessarily follow that that worked for everybody else because environments in the papal years different so that's another tricky aspect of designing growing media for instance I think it's definitely a trend and it it will become more visible as time goes on and without without revealing your secrets. What are the what are the possible moral materials for making a good Pete Free carnivorous plant compost and the ad imagine there are a lot of different options are things like Koya and garden waste? That's been reconstituted things like that. Some of the options that you might be in the mix when somebody's putting together a possible potting mix for carnivorous plants potentially. I think God Gordon these tricky one because it can vary considerably that there were so many different things that you could lump on that banner that is probably advisable to tips live to recommend people go down that rigged you'd Koya yes is been a reasonable amount to successfully Koya but again. Could you convey so the policies that quick comes from <hes> typically Indian should uncut have evolved St- stories of <unk> which is a waste product from the coconut industry ad but not if I sit next to salt water lakes <unk> the substance itself lychees assaults. And the salt will be fight to converse clock says some Koya he combined is is completely free of salt and people have used that to some good effect at times but again. It's very much a try than ever situation. Other people would tell you never touch clearly the ball so it's very subjective really box again. They're they're also to give him box. You can buy <hes> some people have used. I bought with success aside. The Mike King chopping in Shropshire hero who grows the Cyrus seniors he years he's bought from Melk old and he's I think he's being as being Charlie not for to fall asleep seven years something like that and he has a nationally national collection of thousands probably six seven thousand plants something like that policy didn't mix that is based on on Malko Bach but that Melk Goldbach that he is typically. It's it's an asset medium with very very loudly gyms or anything not Tivi so it's fundamentally once you've got that it's really it's a question of making sure that the that the process of the materials are Walter uptight. He's good enough and that the the the rinsing the for the plants can have an affair to variance again. It's it's trial and error and I think as time goes by we will say a lot more variations on that kind of thing where one person is using it with this constituents somebody else's using the different students to dislike different formulation and everybody will say mind works with legs so that the reached they reached some experimentation that can be done but I wouldn't recommend that anybody does to enlist. I have a lot of spare pumps to try because if you've got sticky something doesn't work not going to be very happy. I mean you've done all the hard work right. I think I've much just buy your stuff and know that it's going to work after thirty years of trying and trying to formulate my own but I know that off people out but he wanted to do with this stuff themselves so it's interesting to experiment but I think probably for me personally. I should just be ordering some of you. You'll come preach. Importing people have a choice and obviously our properties bad on the research. She's going gates on the Charles on its on the market nizing. Jayanti and thousands of people have used it's so it works not work for another papal because it's very simple sedation. It's a convenience product. People combined and use took the bag of the people would say as an expensive solution and it depends how you compare it because if you compare it against a back off you can buy pete buys convers punk composting Austin garlic incentive for instance if you compare our product to that the there's no difference implausible forever but if you compare it to somebody who buys a big by must pay in a big bag apparently is in a big bag of sand mixie's arrived at home than I was very very expensive but equally service the pig free says the Pete Nice mix products some people but not every day and that's fine because for the people that that that are looking for that convenience it's there it's available but there are obviously otherwise during eight however we won't indoors using in any way shape or form not just a carnivorous liver spots but for any clauses all absolutely inundated instinct marriage. I hope you found that useful and inspirational. Thanks Sean and if you're in the U._K.. WanNa get your hands on some of Shawn's special carnivorous plant potting mix. She goes under the name. Thrive Shawn's been kind enough to offer a discount code. If you enter on Dash the Dash Ledge in capitals <hes> when you check out then you'll get a twenty percent discount on your final total not including shipping and orders over forty five pounds automatically you qualify for free shipping anyway the coast valid from today until the thirty first of July so you've got plenty of time to get your orders in you'll find the floor life website at floor live dot co Dot U._K.. And Short on twitter as at Flora Live U._k.. If you've missed any of that information do go over to the website Jay Perron Dot com where you can find all the links for shorn unload of background information on the Pete Free Movement the importance of people and so on if you've been inspired glad you're probably wondering what you can do where you live to try to break your dependence on Pete in the garden and in your indoor gardening life well. The first thing I'd say is always read the packet when you go to buy potting mix <music> all U._k.. potting mixes should come somewhere stated on the packaging material how much pete is contained in them is not always easy to find but it should be there and if it's not there then asked the manufacturers for the information these these companies need to stop giving out information about Pete and putting pressure on these companies by making them aware this is something that we as consumers care about is a great step forward if you're in the U._K.. There are an increasing range of suppliers of Pete Free potting mixes surprisingly as far as I know apart from floor lives carnivorous plant mix. There aren't any general houseplant potting mixes that are Pete Free. I do know that one of the companies who do for Pete Free Three is working on one which is exciting but I found that if you find any Pete Free Multipurpose and add depending on the kind of plot your growing either some finely milled bark awesome per light awesome for Mickey Lights. Off The to improve drainage or to improve water retention then usually you can come up with a good mix for any houseplant without having to resort to Pete. I've often recommended using John Innes number two in the past. This does contain compete but if you're in the U._K.. And you can get hold of it. There's a wonderful product by the company Melk accord that Sean Hayes was talking about called silver grow all purpose pete free with added John Innes and this is what I'm experimenting with at the moment from my house plants other options in the U._k.. Include fertile fiber which is based on coconut fibre or Koya Lakeland gold from Dale Foot which is made from bracken sheep's wool and he's absolutely amazing out highly recommend that you can get the hands on it. If you can't find any pete free compost at your local garden center then do speak to the staff and request that this is added onto their offering is only by US customers coming forward and asking for what we want that we're going to get progress on this. I have heard anecdotally the loss of garden centres say well. We don't stock it because nobody asked for it so come on people step up and ask for Pete Free and I'd love to know what you think about this topic. Whether you're already using pete free or struggling to find Peop- free compost your house plants where you live do let me know and I will try to put together a blog post on pete free resources for my website so please do let we know that information and I can feed it into that piece before I go. Oh this isn't pete related whatsoever but I did talk to Sean. Hey cts about a carnivorous plant that I don't think has ever come up in an episode of on on the Ledge and I was curious about it and I knew you would be too so here's a little segment of chat with Sean about. You can't even bladder were. Let's call it blood words. Maybe I'll try again. You tricky a key LARREA which is a genus of carnivorous plants that works in very mysterious ways his shown talking about the way this plant operates and why it actually makes a really Nice House plant where I don't have rich which I thought they have on the surface of the grubby major above the surface that will have typically very small sometimes cross like Annette very inconspicuous until I flower and I think it's pathetic. I decided the majority of people that drive them because a lot of them have these really really <hes> vivid orchid like flowers. I never really really pretty some very very tony but others but the Trapping Ping mechanism is underground now some of them Gra in Malta and some have been will in such soils and the trapping mechanism. He's basically a very very tiny small trump and the largest one that you could find would be again half a centimeter something like not typically much much more than that and even if you could save them if you if you turn a flight you you can see these. It'll blatters all over the compost but you you wouldn't be able to say trumping operation because they move faster than the human can detect spiced on a vacuum. There's vacuuming holidays trump and on the perimeter of age trump's trigger hayes went on a little in sexual purchaser daphne arose something about Niger Swims Pass and touches the traders eight release the vacuum and private inside the bladder which then gradually reforms the vacuum and in doing so the PRI- dollies and absorbs the resulting nutriments clever things aren't they are really continue to have my mind blown by carnivorous plants that just that basically brought to it's very easy to grab in Lloyd's window civil something green and the flowers on most of them are really worth setting even if they're only small ones you get such Araya flowers that come up during on their vet. That pretty of the Gresh Word is particularly aw that's all for on the ledge this week. I'll be back next Friday other member. Sometimes people alike bloodworks. It's all going on under the surface. Take Care Bye. 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Bonus episode: plant passports in the UK - what you need to know

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Bonus episode: plant passports in the UK - what you need to know

"Hello and welcome to this extra special bonus episode of on the Ledge podcast. I'm your host Jane Perron and I'm going to be interviewing the. UK's chief Plod Health Officer Nicholas Spence. She's a botanist. A plot pathologists and the president didn't purchase society of plant pathology so she really knows her stuff about keeping pests and diseases away from our precious plants. Why interview her now? Well new regulations about plot and passports came into effect in mid December. Twenty nine thousand nine hundred and talking to people in the planck community here in Britain it it seems like there's a lot of confusion about who this impacts and how it all works so I managed to secure an interview with Nikola in which we cover a lot of bases and hopefully hopefully answer all the questions that you have do. Check out the show. Notes that Jane Perot Dot Com for full transcript of the interviews. You can check exactly what Nikola had to say. Jay and also the contact email and website that he mentioned at the end of the interview on the Ledge. PODCAST does have a really international audience. So it's worth saying at this point that if you're outside the U. K. or or indeed Europe then this podcast may not be that relevant to you may still find it fascinating and interesting. But it's made appeal really is to those who are going to be affected by the plot possible regulation. So if that's not your street then do skip onto another episode and if you need due to the show welcome and do check out some of the more than one hundred twenty episodes. I've put out which cover everything from growing herbs on your windowsill to actress gaping and plant swaps to growing house plants from seed. I spoke to Nicholas Spent on thirty first of January twenty twenty which was last Friday as this goes out and we were speaking by phone. The lines pretty good. But there's the occasional wobble so do you bear with me and I do hope this will prove really useful to those of you who are getting getting to grips with plant passports. If you've got any additional questions or comments about the show please drop me an email at on the ledge podcast at gmail.com. Nikola thanks for joining me today. It's a topic that's been causing a lot of conversation around the plot growing world here in the UK. And I. I wanted to start by asking you about this. These new regulations that have came in late last year. Two thousand nine hundred nineteen. What's the rationale between this new deform of plant passports that have been introduced? Well the new pump passport. Regulations widen both the scope of the kinds of plants. CBS which require a plump passport and also the scope of the operators who now must be registered and authorize and. We think that this full allow us to move from a more reactive approach to plant health that we currently have to a more proactive approach enabling us to better tackle pest listen disease threats as they emerge what are the the. But the consumer. That's buying plants in the garden center. Loretta nursery or buying buying things mail order. What will they see in terms of a difference when the be anything to see in terms of a different approach to the plots? They're receiving will the requirement qualm for plant. Passports is now going to be down to retail level So that also captures distance sales on for example Internet trading so that all traders of plums must now be known into the competent authority which is a deaf FRA and we'll have plot health obligations so whether they're nursery landscape her high street retailer or selling online they will have obligations to to be authorized and to keep records so that when a consumer buys applause and they may well notice that now on the plunked or the box walks with the label There may be a plant passport but equally. If in some instances the plants aunts have entered a store with a plan passed on a trolley for example and the consumer just buys one plant. They may not actually see the plant passport so it slot. It depends on the kind of plump that they're buying whether buying it from right at. What are the pests and diseases that you're most worried about what what the big headline grabbing pests and diseases that we concerned about here and trying to limit through this new regulation while the there is a range of pests? Pests Diseases. What consent about we list them all on the UK plot health risk register but essentially for the kind of horticultural all to cultural ornamental? Plants traded were particularly concerned about things like Zainullah fastidious which is a bacterial disease We're we're also concerned about various insect pests such as the Asian longhorn beetle but there are a wide range of pests that were concerned about and one of these. The wording of the plant passports says that this concerns all plants for planting and if I people who said can you ask ask nuclear. What does plants for planting actually mean are we talking about everything that goes in the ground oriented as opposed to produce that might be the plant based but is is intended for the kitchen is that is that the distinction book essentially plants for planting or anything? That's going to be either put in the ground all kept in port an and as essentially as a living plant at rather than For example cut flower Woah. or a cutting of something. That's being used as a hub. So it's really anything that's going to be planted in the in the ground remain. Main plummeted will be replanted oversee cuttings and propagation material things like seed potatoes would also be included. Where did I am partied herbs bright? I've got you that makes sense and one of the other issues that seems to have come up since this legislation came in is the vast numbers of people who are using often using social media coming online. They're not professional nurseries. But they've got a few plants that they're propagating gating and neither swapping or selling. Can you just clarify for me. What does it actually mean in terms of who needs to be registered? I've heard conflicting advice from people. Some people saying well I'm a hobbyist so I don't need to be registered even though I'm selling plots online posting them to people who can you just clarify that point yes so I mean we. We have had several clubs and organizations. Contact October for clarification. So we're still kind of working through the final details but essentially If a hobbyist owning hugest he's making a profit from sales then we think that they should be in scope fo- plant passporting just as in the same way if they're selling cuttings and And so on whereas if there is I know that many clubs and societies aww have a sort of swapping service so you know they might share seeds. They might hsieh material. We feel that Would fall outside light the scope so it's really whether somebody is is essentially making a business out of it making a profit trading for financial benefit Kuffour. You know it's over a greater scale than somebody just kind of swapping giving away clumps a local no club so for those people in that category who are likely to be less jammed up and all this stuff that hopefully the nurseries. He presumably a much more engaged in in in your work. Anyway what do they need to do. Somebody is selling some cuttings off plants online. They need to register and will they be inspected to they have to pay fees. Could you just explain that because that seems to be causing people some confusion so what we do is ask those people to Contact us through the Gulf Dot. UK plant health pages era various sort of online information and a sort of email address to contractors so that they can Notify us of the kind of trade that doing on the wing than we can make a judgment as to whether they need to be registered essentially registering can be done online but authorization means to issue. Plant passports means that we do need a plot. Health ceases specter to tape may make a visit and decide whether or not you know that person meets minimum plant health standards in terms of traceability knowledge about about of the plants that they're trading in and in terms of fees we Do charge a minimum uh-huh fee for an inspection and again that's all set out on the web pages and it's based on a minimum time unit. The fifteen minutes or part thereof. So you know somebody who's a a very small scale prater it should be fairly straightforward and simple simple to do obviously larger operation. It it might take a little bit more time line to do the authorize ation But fees are payable For somebody to be derived to issue possible so I think the key thing is determining whether or not you know the businesses in scope first of of all and then what the cost of the authorisation might be less concerned that this regulation might to kill off this burgeoning trade in online in hobbyist growers. Selling stuff I guess. It's that balance. Between the necessity to injure Joe Plot Health and kind of encouraging people to to get into beeping into plots is a great thing. But actually we've got to be careful here. What would you say to a hobbyist? Grover over who's WHO's a bit intimidated and worried about this whole procedure of registering. And and so on I mean. Is there a likelihood that some people might get in touch and then discover that actually they registered. But they don't actually need to be inspected again I think on a case by case basis we would encourage businesses or traders to get in touch They can speak to somebody from the animal and plant. Hey health agency and find doubt whether they are in scope will not men in terms of is is you know I know some people say well. This is all the burdensome but actually just because you're trading informally doesn't mean your bicycle you'll and indeed we have had examples of where passengers ages ages have been introduced through hobbyists people bringing cuttings not really realizing that the might be a risk. And of course then if you share those with with friends or other hobbyist gardeners this of risks that might spread a historic disease. So it's really important to abide security. Not that everybody who potentially might bringing appliance or move a plant with penalties really understands that they have a responsibility as well as the largest scale traders because together we will need responsibility for managing the risk of introducing spreading pests and diseases indeed and one of the other points that I want to raise about an economic campaign. Even running to deal with people might not have that much interest in blocks at all but who go away on holiday overseas and really have no idea that they're not supposed to be bringing running things back in their suitcase. PLA material is that. Is that something you are your increasing awareness awful trying to campaign against because there must be lots of people falling into that category of comments online on going to this European city and I'm going to violate of house plants and bring them back to the UK. What would you say to those is kind of people will at the moment we have the you plant health regulations which means that Most plants can still be moved within the European Union in passenger baggage but now the new rules state that if you are bringing in plants for planting or any plant material from outside the view that we described as a third country. You can only do that now if you have a fight to solitary certificate so that means that material must have been inspected in the country of origin examined examined. The person disease is deemed to be free of pests and diseases by a competent authority. I e the health service in that country and then a fight phytosanitary certificate is issued. So that means that an any kind of informal trade from outside the EU will will now be in scope for this much higher level of regulation to try and stop the impulse of plant material that might result in a a pesto disease. I guess is this is the challenges. The it's so hard to monitor everybody coming in and out of the country in various different ways you are. I guess the constant worry that something's going to slip through the net and even though awareness is is growing. There's going to be some crisis caused by just one person bringing something. In without following the regulations we ever go to be able to reach the estate where we just don't have to worry about these anymore or is this going to be an ongoing battle. Now I mean I think it will be an ongoing battle and we can't eliminate all risks by regulation of plants We feel that it's also important that the public really take more responsibility so over the over last summer we had to a publicity campaign many airports imports and on ferries which was cold Risk it so very brightly colored exhibits which postseason lightboxes essentially explaining that you could bring back. pessene diseases US hitchhikers on plants and plant products in your bags and that we don't want anybody to bring any plant material whether it's flowers cutting seeds needs a cheap as excetera from their holidays because of the risk so I think combination of public awareness and most people would not want is to unknowingly bring back plant material whether thought could be a risk So a combination of that public awareness public action and and then also now regulating Old Trade plants in whether that's through You know large business a retailer or an internet trader so that we are aware of what materials being traded. Because it's Paul sported we've got a record of it and and because we go record over it means we can trace it so if there is a problem if there is an outbreak we can go to that plot possible record. We can find out what the origin was. Where did it come from? We could trace back up the supply chain and then we can also find out. Why was it sold onto and Goan own trace the end users if we can said that if there is a problem we can tackle the whole supply chain if necessary gun destroy destroy plants? Remove them from the supply chain to minimize the risk. That person diseases will spread right as you say. It's it's a bit of detective. Detective work involved. I guess in many of these cases there were few other case studies that I had from from listeners. He wanted to ask about specific instances particularly a professional national gardeners and garden designers. He might be popping out to the garden center or a wholesale it advice and bedding plants awesome bulbs their clients and ponting them in their garden. Do they need to to get registered at involved in plant passports or is the plant past is coming from that retailer sufficient. Well Bulbs are included in the scope of passports because obviously they are plante supplanting. They're gonNA turn into a vault. So landscape has gardeners designers should be registered. You stood and then that means they can be provided with Paul Plump Hall Spirits when they purchased the plants and then they will be able to keep a record because they have a responsibility to the clients that they're designing for building full however they only need to be authorized issue that own implant passports if they're supplying to other professional operators and it's the responsibility of the landscaper to declare themselves as an operator H.. Up so that you know is clear within that supply chain you know who who the professional rages and obviously the person. It's an owner. The garden effectively is the end USA. So they they might won't ski passports to show the you know that they purchase the plumps from the somebody'll fries. But essentially it's the operator's the landscape is the designers and the supplies of the plumps. Who needs to be authorized and issued a pass? Boss said just talking about a cut flowers presumably again. We're going back to the plants for planting point so presumably a cut flower. That's just intended to go. Navarre's wouldn't be affected. Daily at Uber. Bought from a cut flower producer would need a plant park yes subsribe so simply a bunch of cut flowers does not need to pass boarded however you know if there is a bulb or a colle achieve a which will produce flowers that will be cut to subsequent subsequent date those plants that you know the the cheap material cereal does need to be plumb plumb possible so for example daily cheap is? They are plants for planting. Because they're going to go into the ground they'll I'll turn into a flower so they do require plump passports but then the flat if you cut daily of flowers and sell a bunch of daily flowers. Those don't require Kuala passporting and personal example here. I helped community herb garden and in pastures for our open day we have purchased her plus is plants which we have been grown on and sold for at the open data members of the public. Would we need to be concerned with plot passports also all because. Is there a difference between face to face and mail order this. This is a bit of a difficult area in terms himself by an amateur here or are you actually trading those clamps. I think this is something that is still under discussion but generally speaking if the plants that you'll but you'll giving away. We are selling all going to be plumbed it than they will fall under the scope of passporting if they're being moved by a professional operator equally way we've got Plant societies that do seed exchanges. We feel that those societies should be registered and receive receive plant passports for good any seed or good survey by because I know some specialist societies. They buy bulk seed in the late distributed to the members. So in that instance you know the people actually doing the purchasing of the seed we think should be registered. They receive a plant passport. However if that than giving away the seat to mend buzz than those movements? Don't have to be possible -ted because in that case I would still have traceability would have traceability from the authorized a purchaser of the seats. They would have the pump pulse sports and then you know again. Presumably in applaud society. You know the members all You know the material and gets distributed But you don't need to give a a passport to every individual in that seat club. You know the person actually who organizes and by succeed should should receive Stephen hobos passports for face ability. And when you say obviously there's a lot to this this regulation when when you say under discussion. Does that mean that. At some point you'll be issuing final edict on on those slightly more tricky issues about yes especially Gross yeah it's partly the the legislation comes from the European Commission and some of that legislation relation hasn't quite been finalized so the approach we're taking a pragmatic approach to this So that you know all I wish is that enough people want to seek guidance will look at the case and bill to advise them as to whether or not up there in Scope Walt And if they are then we'll help them support them to become compliant So we all taking a pragmatic approach now. We realize that this is quite new to large numbers of people who previously didn't have to fulfill Elise Regulatory Oprah Gatien's as though it's in everybody's interests that that we work together and trying to come up with a pragmatic approach approach So that people can take responsibility for the plot so that trading but also continue to Operate and Alton invaluable. It is that people get together to Appreciate plants and You know people the gardens and they want the selection of plants available so we want them to be able to do that but but understand what the risks might be Make sure that lab robbings responsible as possible and you know then we appreciate plants and seeds in the future. Inevitably there will be a few people who fall through the net on there. Jason either. Just refuse to register become authorized. Aw just don't hear about this. What will happen to those people who who who should be registered and authorized but but don't do other penalties or will be a question of some carrot and stick with people who are a bit reluctant? I think in most cases you know we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA deal with this in a pragmatic fair and proportionate way and this will probably start with US contacting a business or an individual An explaining to them you know they are non compliant. Give them advice on what they need to do. You give them enough time to complete the action and then follow to check. The action has been completed. So that's the approach approach. We tend to take Will deal with cases of noncompliant case by case basis but very much working with individuals businesses and in clubs to help them to become compliant over a reasonable period of time line and we do have people to help and support with that presumably. You'll be going after the big fish. I mean I've heard people say that they've received plants may lauder since the regulations came in with no sign of a plant passport in any of the documentation they've received from quite large Nasseri. So even some of the big names right now are struggling to come to grips this with this new regulation where we would expect big nurseries to already be in me in a previous plot possible to scheme but but certainly only we gathering intelligence We use Internet searches to find out who is trading. What kind of material trading and then we follow up with phone calls visits So we're very keen to find out You know any intelligence about who is is trading plants the week weaker full up and certainly any large business should definitely be compliance and should probably already have been compliant it prior to this new regulation coming in so we will be following up with them and taking action to ensure they become compliant Over coming months records involved here. I mean we're talking about sort of a spreadsheet showing where plants have come from if they've been propagated propagated from your own stock or And bought from somewhere else as simple as like a single spreadsheet listing your plant sales and sources undated and any information or is there. Is there some wet particular way that you want people to record this information. We're quite flexible about record Cookie Ping The must is that you keep records for at least three years and they could be stored physically. I you could actually keep heat the PA past four in a filed somewhere or you can digitally record in a spreadsheet and the but the key information nays that you recalled the professional operator who supplied the material any information that was on the passport. It is not in a country origin. Batch number kind of information and you know keep keep Information Commission for at least three years because in cases where we do have outbreak so interceptions pests diseases. We go back to sadness reason traders and also to see those records and then that becomes the basis for A track and trace exercise just which means that we can follow up on material and gun check whether or not. It's it's infected with pesto disease. So it's very important to us and if you're a very small hobbyist grower what will this plant inspection involve. Will it be sitting down with a cup of tea and looking at my window. uh-huh ceiling saying okay. What do you know about Zainullah? What will people have to come up with that inspection in terms of showing their competence and knowledge? Well again. I think it's very much. According to the scale of the operation so for a large plot business we would expect there to be somebody in that business who perhaps has done some training is aware of plot. Pasts is aware of in some of the high risk hosts that the dealing with and you know organizers than nursery in such a way that they have good practice in terms of you know for example. If you are trading higher risk hosts of being lights IDA fostered USA. We would recommend that you kept those hosts won't Paul the nursery away from material so Somebody might choose to do that again. Good record keeping way you'll materials come from taking decisions about outsourcing that kind of thing And checking that somebody has a has basically comes a stunning about recognizing past said did that issuing upon possible You know they. They know how to examine plant. So we've got very highly trained plant health and siege inspectors who will visit the premises of visit. The person who spend a bit of time with them just checking basic competency Chintzy And then be able to advise two sources of information one good source of information is the UK plant health portal. So that's an open online resource. It has the UK plot health risk register. It has lots of pests fact sheets it's good Fight graphs of some of the common. Pass some of the high risk pests and talks about current threats implant health so In order to encourage anybody trading plots bob material to familiarize themselves with some basic information. So that you know again they they're all aw taking responsibility and once you've been inspected that first time we'll we'll the inspection be sort of a regular thing or will it be a one off thing the your then you'll then authorized in away. You Go yes I think. It does depend on the scale of the operation and they're the type of materials. Being traded would expect most Paul sporting operators to have an annual inspection. Listen but in some cases if somebody's kind of new to The plunk trade oil was trading very high risk hosts soil needed needed a bit more support. They might have more and more visit to year. Rob Depends on on the nursery all the all the operator national collections really really important in the UK protecting rare plod collections. How presumably from what what you've been saying anyone who has a national collection who is giving plants to other people to to make sure they don't die out they will need to be registered? We're right well. We feel that if national collection hold reselling surplus plans for profits than not would fall. I loved the scope of plump Pulse Sporting whereas in most cases if they were just giving away plants to to make sure that Rep Loans. Don't die out in. Several people have them. That's probably likely to be exempt. So which is actually looking at this moment ought to get a better idea as to how national collections currently operate But of course you know. It's it's important with the national collection. The whole point is to protect Sometimes kind of rare or valuable species you know we want to make sure the inadvertedly spreading passing some diseases with those plants so Ideally I think you know want national collection hold us to be Paul Sporting. But the maybe maybe some instances where they're giving away small amounts of material but the baton without hospital instagram and facebook giveaways really big right right now for plants and plant cuttings. How would that be affected by plant passports? Because that's obviously would not evolving any money changing hands beneath involving potentially early disease ridden plant moving about the country. Would that be affected too. I mean if people again if people making a profit it effectively becomes a distant sale so that would come under the scope aplomb Paul Sporting but if it's just swapping or giving away not making any profit fit than we would consider that as falling outside the scope of tall sports So again it depends on the scale of things things in your weather. People are selling plants mean we have had some cases olf material being traded on the Internet And I think in this case it was for sales where we traced it back to a quarantine pest actually so again we will be monitoring torturing social media we do extensive Internet searches for keywords key plants to K- a high risk hosts so that we can monitor that but but essentially fits just giving away or swapping and with no prophets than you know that will likely fall outside the scope aplomb. passporting won't be portion about this But equally we do need to monitor and and see how things develop. And if they're all risky trades being being distributed even not for profit and you know that we would be concerned about that one of the things I've been seeing in press reports about this regulation is that they seem to be making what from what you said an incorrect the F. D. distinction between selling in person and selling mail order or online in other words. If you're selling your person it's fine if you're a plant fair you don't need plant passports. His only if your sending mail order or online before you've saying that sounds like that's not right. Well I think it depends spends on this little scale and scouted I mean if your essentially it comes down to you know on you. Are you running this as a business us even albeit very small business in terms of making a profit from those plants sales. We feel that if you're doing that then you should be in scope for Paul Sporting but if you're at a village fair and you've got a few plants I'm just going to people in the village than a you know we would. We would take a pragmatic approach that You know generally thought that would be fine. But if you've got oversee some Fez have professional plot small traders who come in and selling On Not said business and we feel that they would be escaped was a volunteer in giving away plot. Material You know we would think that that would be outside the scope. It's difficult to decide who's news. Here's a kind of professional hair and who who is a Hopi a store of sort of amateur hair. I think that really is the crux for me. Is Is the difference between if you're talking about professional by your definition of professional is somebody who's just making a profit whether it's two pound fifty or two hundred Basically that's what you're saying. That's that's the people covered is anyone who's making any amount of money out of plant sales those that the targeted Yup and just a couple of questions more generally about rex hits the dreaded B word and plant health. Obviously the The moment as this podcast goes out we in limbo period. Where we'll things move on from him will there be further changes as Brexit is implemented in in trade deals get established so we're about to enter transition period until the end of December twenty twenty and during that transition period businesses should continue to use the current processes So trading plants and plant products. We will continue to follow the current different regulations. And they'll be no Megyn change to that Over time we will be reviewing that but really it's too soon into veiled say anything about what future arrangements might he and just finally Scotland. How does this play off now? She's got into the They got their own regulations on on the matter of plant passports the second different. So Scotland in Scotland Plant health is a devolved matter so they have their own Sort of regulatory system however they have not diverged from the power plant off-putting regulations in England. So essentially they're following exactly the same central regulations. They are implemented in Scotland in the same. Why Nicholas Pence? It's been really interesting to talk to you if anyone got any further questions as a result of this or wants to find out if they need to be registered. What's the best thing to do? The plant health portal is the place to go online well if he goes to plant health portal along the top. Banner you will see. I applaud health regulation. You can click on that and it will take you to various pages including the gove dot. UK pages you can also speak. Speak to your local plant health inspector and you can contact the Health Inspectorate at APA a a school S. ALL SF mailbox at a p Ha dot Gov dot U. K.. And that email address. This is also on those web pages. So that takes you to the health inspectorate. You'll be able to email. Someone will speak to someone about a specific Query will also be having an APA plant health inspectors at various shows over the summer. So the Royal Welsh show Various sort of shows in England and Scotland So that again you can go to applaud health inspector at some some of those some horticulture and agriculture shows to get a bit more advice fantastic and all include that information in the show notes as well my website Jane Perron Dot Com Nikola. Thank you so much for joining me. That's been very enlightening. Thanks very much. I do hope you found that useful and as I said before check out out the full transcript at Jane Perron Dot Com. Where you'll also find the link and email that Nikola mentioned and I also want to hear from you? I'd love to know what you think about. Plant passports with your hobbyist. 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Episode 149: terrarium tips and National Collections

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Episode 149: terrarium tips and National Collections

"This week alleged supported by. The huddle management website. You can save money on your household. Bills Find Tradespeople. Jumps around the house. See how much time and money you can save day. Dot. UK That's. Don't you? Two, four six eight. We appreciate houseplants. Yes. It's Jane Perron here with on the Ledge. Celebrating houseplants since twenty seventeen. In the show today we find out how you could become the custodian of two important house plant. Genera- and I offer up a clutch top tips about terrariums. Thanks to all of you. He said how much she enjoyed the Cam and Got Asian episode of last week with Polly Shiffman. More Lee botany episodes are on their way off my two week break just reminded that this no show on the twenty fourth or the thirty first I'll be back on August. The Seventh With My one hundred fiftieth episode of allege, thank you also to Marcus who got in touch to tell me about how much he appreciated. 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A little bit of a treat for yourself, and if you're not following me on Instagram, head on over there I'm Jay dot, l., dot Perron, and they you can see my regular TV videos Peron's plants Hashtag Perot's plants where I talk about different plans for my collection and Wolf Long for about five minutes about them, and it's just a way of seeing my smiling face and getting a bit more content from a house plan person as myself. If you are a regular listener to the show, you will know that I have visited various national collections of house plants for example, the pepperoni Mia Collection of Sallie Williams and Mercy Marci's spider plant collection clarify Tim Komo Zim, but what are these national collections? And what do they do I? Go to press release this week from the charity plot heritage, who runs the National Collection Scheme here in the UK, telling me that they were on the hunt for national collection holders for some missing Genera- an among those missing generate were to that we as houseplant lovers know all about, and that's Hoyer and try to scan tier so I thought I. I would give plant heritage a cool and find out a little bit more about what being national collision holder involves. My name is Vicky Cook and I'm the conservation manager here. At plot heritage I have an audience of global proportions, so lots of people pops all fully aware of what plant heritage in the UK what you do. Can you just give us a little positives through plum heritage plot heritage was founded in the nineteen seventies, and it seems damage to ensure that the incredible diversity of cultivated plot that we have in this country remain available for generations to come and I said. We've got a really strong history in the UK of. The Plant Gardens from from the plant hunters enrolled plant breeders, the Grande Estates, and just the enthusiastic which public we're a nation of. And we've huge diverse garden flora, but there's a you know a mechanism. Otherwise that was realized in the seventy s to stop as losing, and if you know any good plans and one of the delightful things about these national collections that you mentioned is that it means people who live the country who are really passionate about particular species or genus who have a taking care of. Of these plants and recording their collections, and making sure that they stay around forever, which is fantastic, but you don't have all of the different Genera- that we grow in our houses and gardens covered, and this is where we've got. This got this press release the other day from you about your missing Genera and I was very excited. Slash worried to see the two of them are. Generally very much favorites of mine. Can you tell me about what you're doing to try to sort out these missing Genera? And and the trans- county and Hoyer Genera- Jeff Genus in particular, although we've got six hundred and fifty plot collections all around the country that in no way covers all of the different plant groups that we grow in the UK. And the role of the national collections are to to collect more or less all you can of that particular Genus Plant Group documented develop conserve for the future, and and also research to and become an authority on that plot group so. Year we try and identify maybe the top ten most interesting plot groups that we would like to see somebody step forward for and become an actual connection holder for and yeah as you say to, them happened to be hoyer and try discount in tastic I cannot believe that no one has the whole national collection slightly disturbed by this spot, because the temptation to apply is great, but I don't think I've got the skills. What's involved in having a national collection or applying for one so well? The first thing really is to have a passion for your punk rock I think that probably goes. Goes without that question, but then the first thing to do would be to to get in touch ready, and we can give you. Some advice and guidance have to get stopped. It's it might be that you don't have many plans to start with them. We can give you some guidance on how to focus the scope of a connection so some groups a huge, and you might not want to own have space for all of them, but we can give advice by maybe collecting all the cultivars of a particular species within that group for everything that was intr- introduced by certain breeder or person. And then yeah, then the next thing is to start collecting and documenting and making sure that you've got good labeling. Systems and records are in order, and then yeah, you can make an application to have an extra clock election soons easy, but how how many plants are we talking about here? I? mean how many different Hoya species of you identified. That might might come under this hoyer national collection. Is it many well? It's difficult to say because there's about eighteen species and cultivars currently in the rhs plot finder, which is what we use as general. Guide to to what is currently available but I. I've no doubt there are plenty more available with specialists around the country, so it would be interesting to see for of these more tropical plant group. Currently easing cultivation in the UK and what you find out so sometimes people started thinking Oh. This is like a nice small plot report. Collect that, but the more you start digging, the more you realize how much she's out there. The record keeping of it strikes fear into my heart. What kind of records you expected to keep an eye expect keep more than one specimen of each of each type of clone. Yes. Yes so I did a we would like to see three specimens of each plot gives you a bit of a backup. Should should you lose one motif and and the records? We were asking to keep at the very base level. It's you know. What if the name of this plants Where did you get it from? How long have you had it those kind of things but then. Also with that, you can start collecting information such as. Cultural happy to have it. What do I need to grow this plant? Or how easy is it to propagates or Does the actually the right name that it was sold to me as because quite often, you know there's a lot of question marks with some of the names of plots that country the trade so you end up by building this collection, you build up the knowledge about the plants as well which is just as important as the actual himself a you expected to have a sort of a stream of visitors coming through the covy notwithstanding. Just coming through to to examine your national collection. Yeah so we have We've got local coordinators in area and they will all boots on the ground. Who might help you talk connection and they'll be fight and check everything's. Growing well, but also one of the requirements of actual connections that you are open to the public I'm not is interpreted in many different ways of course summer in public. Gardens and that's nice and easy, but others have national collections in their homes, and they might have a maybe an open day once a year or or an appointment system in more normal years of course, other any of the things that national collection holders need to know in terms of. The you need insurance. Do you have to pay? Or is there any other of the little things that we need to be aware of you have to be a member of Paul plot heritage had individual memberships about six pounds and you get insurance through us for for opening your house or for any open days to plot heritage national collections. So that's all rain could well. This sounds like such a great project for Listener Dee find that you get lots of feedback from national collection. Hope is the they start, and they think Oh. This is going to be really simple. I've got like twenty plots to collect and then the DEEPA they go, the more they end up with a giant collection as a result of of getting their particular genus. Absolutely you can tell it just grabs people and the obsession starts, and that's your off and you'll suddenly. Your House is completely taken over with. Underaged of of plants of your choice but that's the joy of the collection and if you find, it's getting too unwieldy, then there's always ways that you can risque collection to maybe sort of just take certain species of it and all the cultivars of that. So yeah. There's always a chance to keep it manageable well. I wanted to know if you have a national collection. Hold of for Saks. Frazier stowed on Infra and its cultivars. Because that's the one I think I could handle. I reckon you do that. You can check that out. Okay, I'M GONNA. Hold you to that end. I was thinking about Hoyer but I just I just ran through my head, the numbers of different Hoya Species and cultivars that I'm aware of and I just thought Gosh having three of each of those I don't think I could do it but I. I, think maybe just maybe, but typically, because saxophonists that only for can live inside or out. Maybe I could pull off the national collection. Of Species and colds species cultivars about I'm. I'm considering it anyway, you've you've encouraged me further in my obsession with that particular. On recognized. Expertise Vicki and I'm really hoping that. As a result of this and some accomplices will come forward, and the trend is anti and Hoya Genera- will be covered as a result because it'd be lovely to have have an on the ledge listener doing that work for you, so fingers crossed. What's the best place to go and find out more information about blown heritage? Keep it all website. WWW DOT plot heritage to all E. K. that's details off how you can start a national connection. It were about the missing General and how you can get in touch with us. Brilliant thanks so much Vicky no problem, thank you. Now let's hear from on the ledges. Other support of this week. 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Dot Com for information and links about plant heritage and then national collections, and now it's time for question of the week, and this one came from well I. think this is the youngest listener I've ever heard from. Meg is eight eleven. Thank you for getting in touch, meg. Meg told me I'm very inexperienced. Only eleven I'm only got. Got My first house plant three years ago. Recently I've gotten very interested in terrariums. Unlock decided to try and make one I've done lots of research about moisture watering plant types of containers. I wanted to ask you. You'll talk tips for creating eight terrarium, and even though my very first episode was about terrariums back in February twenty seventeen. It's not something I've covered that many times in the podcast since so a pie time that I gave some terrarium tips. I will pulling in the show notes to a question. I answered while back about plans for terrariums. In that episode. I do specifically mention some good smooth plants for terrariums until that is also definitely worth a listen, but there's so much more terrariums than the plants. Meg started my first terrarium Gosh. I think the first very first. One I had was a fee Tonia in a round gloss sort of goldfish. Bowl shaped container with a call lead. but the biggest one that I had was a fish tank that was a good three or four foot long that my dad got from God knows where. And I had that in my room, and because I didn't really know what I was doing. I just used soil from the garden and I ended up with lots of earthworms crawling around the bottom I. Wish I had a photo of it somewhere. I, I need to ask my mom to hunt through photographs and see, but if I've got photo that I will. I will share it with you. But that was how I started just working very small from from small containers, and then eventually ended up with this very large fish tank full of plants, which did work really well, actually even though I was doing lots of things wrong. What trying to say here is there are many different ways of making terrariums as there are terrarium makers I guess one of the things though that does get my goat quite often when I'm looking at pictures of terrariums online on social media particularly. Is there so many terrariums pick? Should that AH- filled with succulents and CACTI? And while it's possible to make a successful terrarium for succulents and CACTI particularly and unlimited terrarium. In other words, the humidity's a bit lower i. think really on the whole. It's not something I would ever recommend. Why because succulents CACTI grow in places where the last thing they have is. A place where nowhere for water to escape, so even if it rains quite lot in a succulents native land, the water will just be able to drain array really quickly because the plants growing in a very free draining setting whether that's a crack in the earth or very sandy soil, or some other way that they are basically never allowed to have wet roots, and it's very very hard interim setting to. Reproduce that because there's always a danger of watering too much and these plants don't like high air humidity. If you've got maybe a forest cactus, that's something that you could potentially grow in a terrarium, and why not experiment have a go, but on the how you end up with CACTI succulents, terrariums usually never been watered, which means that the that just to draw, and they just sit there and do absolutely. Absolutely nothing or they turned to mush. Because there's just too much moisture about so choice of plants is crucial to go back and listen to the episode where I talk about specific small plants terrariums, because the other mistake people make is taking plants that quite large and planting them up in a terrarium and thinking they can leave them there for several years now. Yes, you can put a baby Paula Pov. A pepperoni, AH raindrop, and a Boston fern baby Boston fern in a small jar, and they might be right for a few months, but within a few months they will just absolutely bursting out of that space and very very unhappy, so you kind of make you work for yourself. Really they're all loads of much smaller plants. Now that do really well in terrariums, and if you listen to my James Wong episode, he talks about this as well that really look out for these small plants that will do so much better in terrarium setting. But getting back to basics, what about the actual container itself? Well, the world is your royster in many respects anything that's clear. Glass or plastic makes a good container back in the seventies when. Cowboys were popular those giant Globe a glass containers. They used to hold storage. Vessels of some kind used to be east for power plants. They were often kinda Pale green color, but really won't clear glass for terrariums. It doesn't block as much light as any colored glass would so really is the best choice and try to find glass that's not to waive the or distorted. Because again it will stop you from seeing the plants properly, and it'll also stop more light from reaching them. Get could use a jammed jaw. A large Jarvis had pickles in it a sweet jaw. Lots of times when you see pictures of terrariums in books, they have quite small openings. You really are making your life quite difficult by choosing a container with a really small opening, because it just makes planting it up and maintaining your terrarium really quite difficult, certainly when you start out trying to find a wide mouth container so yeah. The world is your voice. If you've got a an old, fashioned goldfish bowl, shocked, gloss item. This I mean there's just so many things. Look around your kitchen checkout, junk shops, thrift stores, charity shops and he should be able to find something that works. When. It comes to the ingredients to go into your terrarium, the substrate that just means the stuff at the bottom of the tank that the plants grow in. There are so many different choices in this respect. What I would say is you need some kind of drainage layer at the bottom when I say drainage, obviously, the water's not going anywhere. It's just going to sit there, but you want something to make sure that the plants roots are not sitting directly in water. Often people use a layer of pebbles or expanded clay, pebbles or grit. Any of these things can work really well. Bailey decorative, because bear in mind that it's going to be visible from outside the port. Say Some Nice colored pebbles or aquarium gravel in a funky color can look great. The other thing that people sometimes do is separate off that layer from the soil layer above, and you can do this with some kind of micromax. You could buy various plastic meshes that you could cut to fit the base of your terrarium, and then just slop out on the top of your drainage layer so that the soil doesn't get mixed in with the drainage. Extremists you could do something really really simple like an old pair of black tights. would be absolutely fine doesn't have to be anything particularly fancy. It just needs to be something that the water come pass through and something. That's hopefully not gonNA draw attention to itself is just going to sit there quietly. Do its job of keeping the soil where it needs to be and letting moisture through. One of the things that people often is charcoal. And the kind of chuckled that you're looking for is what's called activated charcoal, and if you have aquarium shop near you, this is where to go to get activated charcoal. It comes in little pellets, and what this stuff does it incredibly porous, and it can take impurities out of the soil. You can either mix it in with the soil org. You could have it as A. A layer above the train, each layer, the greater the pebbles, or whatever, but below the divider, the net divider either will work. I've seen lots of successful work without using activated charcoal, so it's not essential, but it's one of those things that people like to ads if he can get hold of Sun, it's certainly not going to do your terrarium any harm to include it. And the soil itself well, you can use general house plunk compost that suitable for the plants that you're including I would always add a little bit of extra drainage material in the form of something like per lights or grit, just to make sure that it's not doesn't get to cloudy in there. There are many many different formulas for terrarium soil again. Try things out. There is absolutely no home and experimenting with what works for you one thing this well saying about polite, I've mentioned I think in the show recently that I've been trying out a more sustainable alternative to per light, which is made of rice husks. With varying success I would say that it doesn't last as long as per light, which is basically last forever. The Rice husks do start to break down after few months no-show I'd recommend them as a viable alternative t polite thing he can use though particularly if you're struggling to get hold of per like you can, and I would like to say that this was hugely more sustainable than per light, but if you can get hold of chicken, grit or bird grit from your pet shop local pet shop, this is usually a great alternative to per light and absolutely fine to us in potting mix his want to improve drainage. Just don't do. Do what I did, I knew so from the garden. Because this tends not to work tremendously well, depending on what kind of saw you've got, you may find. It's heavy, clay or Sandy. Lots of things can go wrong. They're also you might bring him with you. Things like sluggish snail experts hopelessly you do not want in your terrarium because they will hatch out and much away at everything, some people recommend sterilizing the soil that you're putting into the terrarium by Zapping it in the microwave. Make sure it's moist. If you're going to do this because the microwave works on moisture, so if you don't make it moist than explosions may occur. I de doing this I. There's lots of life in soil that you don't want to get rid of providing that. You're using good quality house blunk compost I. Don't think you're gonNA have a problem. If you do end up with any creatures in your terrarium. They're probably going to be spring tails, and and these actually are a great clean cleanup crew for terrarium. Some people deliberately put these in because they will clear up any organic matter that comes off plants, and so on and stop things going moldy, so yeah, you can even add this stuff as an extra but spring. Tales aren't usually a problem if he didn't know. Know what spring tells look oftentimes. If you lift up a plant pot out of its part and look at the bottom of a cashpoint, you'll find. There's these tiny little insects, the size of you know the size adult which might be sort of meeting around they all very often spring tales, and as I say they don't do any harm to your plants, and they can actually be helpful, so yea I bring tells. One of thing were saying you can have a terrarium which has got the plants still in his pots, so if you're big into carnivorous plants, for example, you could have an old fish tank, and have your carnivorous plants, sitting in their parts in a tray of water, because as we know carnivorous plants on the whole like to be sat in water in a bookie place, but you could, you could just have the terrarium, the fish tank around them, just increasing humidity, but not actually have them planted into the substrate, but have them in individual parts, and you could do the same with any plant. Plant actually If you've got a big enough, gloss container of some kind, you don't need to plant it up. You can just have plants in, and that sometimes actually makes it easier to maintain. You will oversee need to water, possibly a little bit more often, and keep it on your plants, but hopefully if is a big container. That's got good accessibility. That shouldn't be too much of a problem, and then we're talking about once. You've got your plants in what you can add to the talk or what you can add in addition. Moss is a really popular thing, and sometimes you can. I mean legendarily James Wong got his most for one of his terrariums carriage roof, so baps out new Gardner in the low. Call you that you are in unless it's very wild and precious. Please don't take most from wooded than things, but if you're in another environment, you see some Nice mosque you can, of course take that again. Just beware of bringing in any eggs or BBC's on that. You don't want in your terrarium. He can also get a little bit quirky here I mean there's a whole world of terrarium accessories out. Out there in our family, quite using Lego mini figures, little scenes for terrarium. It's quite fun so yet. You don't have to go out and buy a lot of expensive stuff. See what you've got around the house. What could you re purpose? It might be some little ornaments anything you like the world. Is Your Oyster. Go Wild, add lots of interesting things to your terrarium scene and make it fun. which is what it's all about. Make sure the substrates damp before he put it in their. Give everything a bit of a missed. You may find you need to take little for a little bit and let a bit of excess moisture escape. If you're finding that, there's lots of lots of condensation on the sides and this will vary your May. You may find that from time to time. The lead needs to come off. Go back on again. You may need to missed and eventually after a year or more, your terrarium may need replanting, depending on how quick the plants have been to grow, so it's not entirely maintenance, but it certainly low maintenance so I hope that helps make, and you've got lots of great tips for your next terrarium project. And I love to see your terrarium pictures. Everybody I know that some of you are really amazing at making cool terrarium, so do send me your pictures and share them on the facebook group House Plant Fans of on the Ledge, and if you've got a question, drop me a line on the ledge podcast at gmail.com. Anti remember to include some pictures Info about where you are. How long you've had your plan and so on because that gives me the best chance of giving you an accurate answer. Thanks for joining me this week. I will be back with another episode three weeks hence. So keep going and he growing. By. The music you heard in this episode was roll Jordan. Roll by the joy drops, and after the flames by Josh Woodward, the Advertising Music Worse by the halftime, Banjo Orchestra with tracks, dill pickles and whistling rufus. All tracks are licensed under creative Commons. Visit Jane Roe Dot Com for details.

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Episode 100: let's celebrate!

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Episode 100: let's celebrate!

"I'm delighted to have true leaf market backing on the ledge podcast. This Utah Basie company has been helping gardeners gross. It's nineteen seventy four so what they don't know about sewing, and raising healthy, plots. Well, it's probably not worth knowing. So why don't give them a try? US nisa. This can get ten percent off your first purchaser true leaf market dot com now using the code on the ledge. So whether you're off kit to get good with hydroponics trying to grow some Chautauqua mushrooms, looking for stackable planters, fewer herbs or investing in a home eve of cease to grow this year. Julie's market has everything you need Jew. Leaf markets products come with a thirty days after special guarantee. So I know you be disappointed. Visit truly market dot com now and use the code on the ledge to get ten percent off your first purchase. Hello, and welcome to episode one hundred of on the ledge podcast. Yes. We into three figures. Welcome to the centenary celebration common. We're going to have some fun. And in fact, I actually started celebrating earlier this week because. On the ledge won an award the garden comb award for podcast talent. Would you know this is in a war for garden communicators that is based in the US of won a silver ward, which basically means, I've been shortlisted with two other excellent podcasts, namely plant, Rama and hothouse by Leah. So in September of find out if I've won the overall gold, but until then I am absolutely chuffed as we say here in the UK to get some recognition for the work that I've been doing on the pod. So in this episode it's a bit different is not a normal show, but we will be hearing, the top ten episodes of all time of on the ledge bringing back memories of shows you enjoyed in the past. I'll be telling you, some things that I've learned in the course of making the show and I'll be introducing my awesome, grow light giveaway. Yes, you get the chance to win a top draw grow light this week. Stay tuned to find out how, but I, I asked you to tell me what on the ledge means to you, and lots of you came forward and did just that. And again, a play you a selection of those messages. Now there were a few of you who were bit too shy to actually voice your own messages, and one person who didn't want to speak their message for reasons that will become a parent. So I got some friends of the show to voice those messages on their behalf. Hi, Jane, this is Mike diamond from New York City. Congratulations on one hundred episodes of on the ledge, and here's to one hundred more. I've loved the podcast since the very beginning. I've learned so much I feel validated as a plant junkie as a plant nerd, as a plant addict, girl. It's like somebody went into my brain to design the perfect podcast for me. And that is on the ledge. And also, I really enjoy hearing your accent. So here's to another hundred episodes, right? Cheers, thanks, a lot Swe by Jane, wishing you a massive. Congratulations on your one hundred episodes of on belived personally learned, so much listening to the podcast and experts that you have on every week. But more importantly, thank you for bringing together community of people who are so passionate about their hobby and so willing to share their knowledge and even cuttings. So thank you so much. And here's the next one hundred episodes high gain. I just wanted to congratulate you on you one hundred episode of on the ledge podcast, your podcast of encouragement to rebuild my love of indoor plants. I've even managed to almost kill off an expedition drawer, and that's got to be a first looking forward to the next one hundred percents. Stay leafy. Hi Jane, it's other here and it's safe to say that I love on the ledge with a capital. I, I I'm gonna cross the show when I bought my momma, pillar and wanted some good care instructions for it. Basically just been binging on the show since then an waiting with baited breath for every episode since. So thanks for the amazing resource, and please keep going. Is best con from Canada. I just wanted to say congratulations on your hundred episode. I just want to see the your show has really brought me calm. I'm a mama of two rim bugs this little boys wants to half. And when it six weeks old and my host plants have really given me a calm in the chaos of my life right now. And listening to you. Chit chat to other people, their host plants reminds me that in the chaos of my house. There is little islands of calm, and those are my house plants. Thank you very much for your show. I love it. I was gonna good laugh over some the phone joked you had in there. And the knowledge is always appreciated Dane, DC from one aside. I really didn't have on the let I've done a lot. And it has also inspire me to make my own podcast, but anybody here. So thank you, congrats. I'm housebound, so I tend to make the world come to me. I love having my indoor jungle, but do find a lot of. People judge my plant obsession on the ledge allows me to realize I'm not alone. In my love of house plants, and the pocus are welcome. Plenty addition to my week Jane, it's Peter this message is to congratulate you on, on the ledges one hundred episode isn't it amazing. When you consider that shelf-life or the expectancy of a podcast is about six months, should it be done every single week? You've passed out at this stage of the game. But when you consider that we are in a craft beer, craft coffee row street era of podcasting. Now when you go back to two thousand sixteen when there were very, very, very few independent productions out there not only have you stood the test the time, but it is genuinely from the heart wonderful to see the pop trio, and subscribers the companies who are supporting it to keep. Dot going. No. It takes a lot more than just half an hour or an hour once a week to make it all happen. On of such, I'd ration- for what I would consider the stalwart or degraded. Independent host plants podcast out there. Is being done by woman who lady, I should who I have such regard on respect for congratulations to you. All. And come on. Look with the next one hundred high from Chicago Jane big fan of the podcast. The biggest impacted has had on my life has been on my Instagram. Feed. I followed most of the guests that you had on and passed their wonderful counts on to plenty friends. It's just been a really positive impact. My favorite episode is the micro greens, episode you head early on pretty much since that episode. Aired I have had a steady stream of micro greens, my kitchen window sill. So I also thank you for that. Jane happy one hundredth. Hello, jane. Congratulations on one hundred amazing episodes of on the ledge podcast. This is Pam. I'm coming from Massachusetts over here in the United States. I am one of your patrons and very proud to be one. I found on the ledge podcast, just a bit before going through the worst thing that I have ever been through. I lost my little brother, very unexpectedly this year. And there are a lot of times where found myself and eating something to escape to and something to curl up with in the dark at the end of very hard days. And Jane, you were there, for me, every single time I had tons of episodes to go through, I had the back catalogue for being a patron with all the extra episodes and it really, really got me through, and it's a small thing, but it was very big to me. So thank you, and congratulations. And here's to another hundred episodes. I love the. Allege podcast of length so much from it from hats Catholic leitheiser around to my favorite punts of old time to his west falling on Instagram tend to listen, while washing the plants posturing around the house in bits and bobs or Sunday afternoon when I'm too young to move from the Safet, and it the flights available to us questions chef otas and ideas on a look for graying things on the Facebook great. Thanks, jane. I want to say thank you very much on the med. I used to be a real plump Killa. But now I have a house full of lovely clowns on a greenhouse full of that the very much. This is Joe. From Seattle on the ledge has been a big part of myself, top plant learning so far. My long term goal is to go to grad school to research, help plant community ranges and compositions shift during climate change James appearance on the indefens- plants podcast is what got me thinking about how much I really have to learn simply by trying to keep plants alive and watching them grow and door die. On the ledge episodes are always in the back of my mind is trouble shooting challenges, plants in the lessons learned from the show also guide how I serve plant behavior when I'm out in the field. Thanks a lot for that. I've listened to every episode from day, one and gum back to listen. Again, I always listen, when I'm Doug walking walks loss longer, as I always have to pose to look pitches. So I'll Scottie dog gets the benefit to looking forward to the next one hundred on my way home and husband's I was not another Poletti plants where you going to put it loves them. Of course, I'm pleased. I'm not buying cigarettes in his much wine. Thanks, jane. Thank you so much for your wonderful show, creating from Finland. Bye bye. Listening to on the ledge allows me to engage or something that's got nothing to do with all the stresses in life or my education, or university, or my responsibilities. It's nice to just be able to look off something that helps me reconnect Jeff. Yeah. And to be part of a group of people that all have the same goal that will have the same interest three. Nice so feels real since community on the lead sturdy helped me repot that community. Last year. I was violently assaulted whilst walking to work whilst I've Miceli recovered physically psychologically is being much tougher. I've been scheduled to go outside on my own of what hauled in therapy to start walking outside alone, again, However, I haven't always felt on my own listening to on the ledge with Jane has felt like taking a friend with me to king about my passion house plants. It's let me focus on something positive when I've been scared my indoor garden is thriving. Thank you, and your guests for everything you do. Well, well, I promise myself. I wasn't going to cry in this episode, but that has brought me pretty close. There's a couple more wanted to read out. Listen, nj said since finding on the ledge and then also the Facebook group, I've massively improved my house blunt knowledge. And now I'm much more likely to try new things and gay plots because I've got so many people to go to for advice. I'm disabled and when I'm too ill to get out of bed, I can't shop on, on the ledge early episodes, listening to these really helps me focus on something other than the pain, and I get to increase my knowledge at the same time. I'm also dyslexic and find most books are really difficult way to absorb information, but podcasts YouTube videos, make it much easier for me to learn. Thank you. Well, thank you Jane for being a dedicated listener and lost, but not lease as regarding touch to say Hoya, Jane. Yes, I get US rep five wanted to get a message in for the hundred episode. Well here we all. His message. This podcast is the main one I listen to at work while I deliver the mail is kept me going through a hundred degrees Fahrenheit some days through to minus sixty Fahrenheit wolf blowing me that's a range since starting to listen to this podcast around the first Fowler episode. My collection has grown to three hundred plus plants. I absent love the show. Can't wait to listen to the hundredth episode on my golden birthday. I can't think of anything better. Oh, as thank you so much. I hope that, that has given you some idea of the amazing, scope scale and range of impacts that on the ledge has had on its listeners, and it makes me really proud and happy to hear that. Well, I'm pulling myself together. Let's hear from the other sponsor for this week show. 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And now we come to the segment of the show, which is cool. Old asked me anything I put out a request a couple of weeks ago for anyone with a burning question for the presenter of on the ledge yet that's me to answer. And I got a great response, and I'm going to answer a few of your questions today. So let's kick off with Jen wants to know if I ever feel as if I have team, any plants the officers too, that is definitely, especially over the last few months, where the show has made me forced me to buy more plants because there's just so many interesting plants out there that I want. But at the same time, it's made my life, incredibly busy other work family dog volunteering on somewhere in the middle of looking off to my plants. So a few plants of how to be jettisoned along the way, I have Marie condo, the hell out of my collection realize that if a plot isn't bringing me joy, then it needs to be farmed out to friends or. Put on a Facebook group to be picked up by some IGA person or sometimes even to the compost, heap if it's not doing very well. Yes. I am thinking of you lay. Leitheiser. Roofer. Balba. That's when I lost you hideous spider. Mite infestation. So yes, it's I always say that everyone has a number of house plants is right for them. It might be one. It might be two thousand and you need to find that number number may fluctuate through life as you life changes. So don't be afraid to soy's you'll collection up or down to see you is what I would say, not Elizabeth asked is their house blonde. You really hate well, long-term listeners will remember, the I had a bit of a weird phobia of African violets inexplicably, but I think the episode with Addie week did cure me of that. And I do now have one. Small African violet. One dwarf African violets which is called sinks alchemy, I think is saying, Salcombe on that, right? I don't have another one, but unfortunately, I lost that too hideous route media bug infestation, so, yes, African violets. I'm okay with them now. And I've said it for on the show, but I'm really not personally desirous of fiddly fig in my life and poinsettias just just. No. Just, just now Jessica ost on the Facebook group. Whether there's a plant that I love, but I managed to kill every time, Crotone 's and maiden have funds. You can just do one. That's the show on to that question. June wanted to know what's the weirdest horticultural question I've ever been asked? Well, once I was giving a talk to a gardening group in a sleepy village in the English. Side and. Given a long spiel about composting what you can put in econ, but in how to make it work, and why love composting and all that a subject for another podcast possibly, and an elderly man piped up the back and said, is it okay to put us nappies Americans out there? I'll translate that for you. That means used diapers onto the compost, heap. And I, I kind of I was visibly reposed, unless shouted don't put us not on the compass eight whenever you do. So I think he got the message Steve. How hosting on the ledge has changed my own house Plon habits. Well, as I said before it has just meant that I bought a lot more plants. And I think it's also taught me that there's nothing wrong with loving plunder Eason invo just because nobody else is growing that weird little plug the you love. That doesn't mean that it's. Not a totally valid wonderful thing to have you love what you love, and that quite frankly, is the end of it max wanted to know what's the one piece of advice, you'd give your younger self. This is a really good question. I did think about this quite Logan hard. I would say to my younger self don't worry, this is going to get better. I think there's this weird myth that, oh, you'll teenage years, or your twenties are the best years. If your life. Oh, how mazing wouldn't amazing time to be young and for many of us, I simply, don't think that's true. So I would say to my younger self it is life is going to get immeasurably better, and more, fulfilling as you get older, so don't despair. If life is a bit miserable right now. So if anyone else says, thinking things are never going to get better. Nobody understands me. Please don't give up the very thing that you may feel makes you outsider an outrider an audible somebody that other people just don't get maybe the thing that makes you a really fascinating magnetic wonderful person to be around. So. Just a little public service announcement there. I do think I've grown down as I've got older. In other words, I think I've become more like the true me as I've got older. That makes sense not being shackled anymore by others expectations of what I should be like. And I think he Mike ace the experience of having children as kind of freed me up from a lot of worry things I used to worry about in the past silly, things office politics that kind of stuff, I just, don't worry about anymore because the end of the day, if, if the day doesn't end with blood screaming on good, I will live another day and life goes on. So that is that is what I'd kind of say to myself. My younger self and anyone anyone who's listening to the show who's going through difficult times. I think it's easy to be stuck in that bubble way you think things are never gonna change. But you know what things are always changing, and you can make things change. So they go. That's my, my thoughts for myself and for anyone else listening, who's struggling right now that going to be a be serious and bit intense. But not usually, the content of the show seeing is it's by hundred episode. What the heck that's what I wanted to say. So I said it and that's giving you a bit of insight into me. And what I'm about. Coming up soon the top ten episodes. But first, let me tell you about my giveaway if you love grow lights, but you want something that's going to really stylish in your home. Then a mother life grow lights is what you need, and I'm giving one away. So you've got a chance to win one take a look at the show notes for full details on how to end up. Let me tell you a bit more about what's up for grabs one lucky listener somewhere in the world. And you can't be anywhere in the world to enter have the chance to win a wonderful table top grow lights from a company called mother, they do ship internationally. So don't worry wherever you are. You will get your grow light if you happen to win. This is a beautiful white colored grow light. It's not going to give you those weird purple and pink cues that you get with some LED grow lights. It's very beautiful. You can sit on a table top an have a number of plants underneath it, it CPA easy to set up and. It looks great, which is very important. So if you want the chance to win this grow light worth over two hundred US dollars, then visit my show notes at Jane Perron dot com for full details and terms and conditions. But in essence, all you need to do is drop me an Email to on the ledge podcast at g mail dot com, and I will pick a winner at random using some very snazzy software. Just make sure you include the word grow lights in your subject line wants the competition has closed the competition closes at eleven fifty nine PM BEST on Sunday, July seventh twenty nineteen so you've got to get your Email in my inbox by that date, and time if you want to be considered I it's one entry per person, and get your Email to me, and you will be in with a chance of winning this is just my way of saying, thank you to all of you guys. I'm paying for the grow light out of my own funds. It's a product that I've tried and tested myself. And really enjoyed. And so I wanted to give you the chance to win one yourself. So drop me that Email and fingers crossed your the lucky winner. And now it's time to hear our top ten episodes of on the ledge of all time, and we're bringing back voice that you may recognize from the early episodes, my friend, Mark Hamilton voice over artist. Extraordinary is bringing us the on the ledge podcast top ten episodes. Here we go. Well, it's a momentus occasion on the ledge with Jane Perron who's reached one hundred episodes. Wow. I know. Right. One hundred. So what we thought we do is to account down all the top ten episodes of all time. Here we go. Coming in at number ten we have episodes, seventy eight house plans holding how many house blogs is too. Many James speaks to holding experts. Joe cook to find out, what are the things we need to think about what may sort of deciding if we've got an issue with hoarding plans, when you fail to stock opening up the plants that you've ordered when they begin to die when you, you haven't become so overwhelmed with your collection that you don't do anything with them. What are they going go? And, and I've been into people's homes where that literally on open packets of seeds, and plants have been delivered. And they, they remain on opened an almost hidden from me, because they feel embarrassed and ashamed that, that they haven't flaunted them more haven't given them to the friends or or done anything with them. Number nine, we have episode seventy five to houseplants clean air. Well, yes and no Jane gets the low down on house plans air filters. In an interview with scientist curt is gobble what we found really is that we've seen to remove it. So links quite heavily into the water loss of plans so plants need water more. I the pace he's just much more difficult than other house plans to keep and need more water in more care or actually, the best at CEA to removal as we journey towards the number one slot. We find ourselves at number eight episodes, eighty four forest cacti, part, one Easter Christmas, and thanksgiving cacti, Mark Preston explains fitting cacti and how to care for them. There was a view some some years ago that you have to keep the plumps facing the same way while this growth. And if you try to turn it around the buds, somehow twist themselves to try and face the noise or whatever, and full of that I think is, is completely untrue. I actually deliberately tried doing this with Plum, which had two hundred nine turned it hundred ninety degrees to see what would happen. Absolutely nothing happens number seven, we have episode three schools Cain boys with plants. Australian plant few. Scott Cain explains how he ended up writing a book about the hunks of horticulture off which I am clearly. I say. One thing that strikes me is. I never knew so many men gardened in their parents. So. I guess a lot of these tropical plants is probably quite warm. I can imagine. That's why they just have to strip down. But. I just want to. Yes. Climbing towards the halfway, Mark. We find ourselves at number six, which is episode ninety photo allies for houseplants nutrients knowledge dispensed by RHS expert, Leigh hunt. Weld on me. Nice school needs three main nutrients. We've got nitrogen him unforced for now. Nitrogen is how good leafy Grayson good, general, grace potassium is for flowers and fruits and you'll sometimes hit, I refer to pasta and then foster is good for root growth. Well, we're at the halfway up now in our top ten countdown on the ledge episodes of all time at number five, we have drum Roby's. Can we have a drum roll? Okay. We have episode fifty eight indoor firms fussy delicate troubling dead at the drop of a hat growing funds indoors isn't easy. But Jane lets you into some fern secrets if you really searching for that Maidenhead look there is one option, which all to you and regular listeners to the show will remember when I got this plant it's called Diddy McLean. A- trunk. Oh man. Try again to get his Saone by my side for this one. Did he McLean? A- trunk Tula. It's also known as cloak fern, or the mahogany maiden heifer. I'm not gonna say it. Parisi mind does go crispy, if it isn't readily watered, but it definitely is easier than the maiden hair. So this one is definitely worth a look if you are Maidenhead fine unjust depressed, by how much you're spending on what turn out to be dead floats. At number four, we have episode AT, one botanical Latin, explained if you don't know, your monster Doulos user from your cicis Antarctica, this is the episode you need of the I don't, I know Latin, the well, you know, the back of my hand, call pay deal and all that sort of stuff. But you might need it so listen. Everyday to technical. Explain number four, wonderful episode. Absolute favorite is sketchy obey on TI. So if you become you become a famous as. Then you might have something named off deal. So actually pretty appropriate name because it's actually a flying out yet Genesis Cup to the end. It is eight like town science wanted to cross as a perfectly round and golden rear end. At number three liming ever-higher towards that elusive number one spot. We have episode AT six house plant styling with rob stack of its master of Holter culture rolled stack of its gives Jane a tour of his beautiful, London home and explains. Why grouping houseplants together keeps them happy? The worry is that. We're in a side of faddish toy. Sponsor in fashion yet. He's gonna come crushing down. Yes. And it's a big worry of mine. I stay awake at night, but I'm concerned that now that people have gone into love in house plans. And so the theory say she'll media, how do we keep that going? And I think lots of people will sort of copy, what they see on Instagram. And so the recycled the same ideas and the same the same setups that they face growth that ponts in and see what we end up seeing is laser house bronze, but they will look the same and we have to ago what has the number one spot. I hear you cry. You'll have to wait because we're at number two. Yes at number two, in top ten countdown. We have episode fifty five James Wong's houseplants part, one, he's the Baltin, est with the apartment full of weird, and wonderful plants. So Jane pays a visit to find out about his coffee table, terrarium and his indoor lily growing in a salad bowl. The average Briscoe until you'll see a sea follow office workers, Cantir pubs. And that's why people have not been getting house for us. You know, one of the reasons why wasn't into have funds, even though I grew up with them kind of obsessed with them. Was partly the like I would move possibly. I was never tempted teddy. Well, we finally reached it, we've counted down from ten to two of the top ten on the ledge podcast of all time, and we've reached that hallowed number one spots. What could it be? Need some sort of fanfare here? Jane, any, any anything you've called him fanfare. Oh hang on a minute. Not sure trumpets glow conspue, somebody taking shop intake of breath, anything to build a bit of tension here. Come on Madeline you've done. One hundred episodes show me what you've got. This is literally. Well, I guess that'll have to do it's number one, and it walls episode eighteen to growing Hoyas, aka, the wax plumps, Jane finds out how to grow weks plans with expert grower, Doug Chamberlain. And yes, what an episode that was well done. Here's to the next one hundred is there any particular Hoyer that is your absolute favorite or well? I've always said, if I could only role, one Hoya, I it would probably be human Gina, and it's, it's not that spectacular looking. But I it has a lovely scent of cinnamon. And by says a rose very rapidly so that you could you could do any number of things that you put even wrapped around at topiary. If you wanted to frightfully, good, I'm hoping, you can tell me how to grow, Venus fly traps. I keep buying. From the hardware store, and they die within about five minutes. Ridiculous. Come on, Jane. Tell me how do you grow those, Venus? Fly traps, I want to feed it some flies. Of course. That's episode. Thirty two mock go back in the archives in half. Listen, thank you very much, though. For presenting out top ten episodes of on the ledge. I hope everyone enjoyed that. And now we'll seamlessly segue into a little chat about what I've learned through making on the ledge thing one. Oh, I have learned that plump people of the best people in case you in any doubt whatsoever. I have to design this. I have not come across a single listener, or plant person who hasn't been absolutely charming, generous, and definitely passionate about what they do. And that's one of the reasons that doing this show is such a delight every single one of you whenever I've got in touch with anyone has been absolutely delighted to talk to me, and we're all busy. But you've all given up your time to. To lend your voice, or your ears or your money, you recommendations to on the ledge, and that really has meant the world to me in the past to an a bit years thing to podcasting is hard making a weekly podcast, when you have another life going on away from it is tough, and it's a steep learning curve, and I'm very glad that I got such a lovely audience. He forgive me the many gaffes mistakes technical problems, and all the other issues that I've had along the way I'm still learning my craft and figuring out how to do things. So thank you for bearing with that. 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And you've always been delighted to hear about stuff like Cressey Latian acid metabolism and VO signings and God knows what else but it's an indication that people don't want this stuff to be done down. They want to know all about their plants and prepared to go in a deep dive to get that information. And that is a wonderful thing that said, I am aware that I've never really done a kind of back to basics episode with advice. Is for somebody who really is just starting out there, very first plant, so I'm planning that in an upcoming episode. So if you can think of a plot that, you think is a really great starter plant for a newbie, then do let me know. And I can add that to my shortlist of plants that I want to feature in that episode thing for a minute to think for yet. I've lost track now will think for there is nothing more satisfying than growing a plant to maturity from seed. It is just an amazing thing to do. 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Episode 147: identifying houseplants

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Episode 147: identifying houseplants

"Own the Lynch supported this week by happy. The whole management website where you can save money on your household bills and find tradespeople for all those jobs around the home. Why not see how much time and money you save today at hoppy code or UK? That's H. p. p. y. Dot Code Dot UK. uh-huh! Hello and welcome to on the Ledge podcast episode, one hundred and forty seven, and it's a mystery. A, clone mystery. On your host Jane Perron and we're talking fight dentist vying plants. been kept up at night, wondering what on Earth that plant that came with a label Ernie marked foliage foliage plant is then joined the club. We've all been there and this week. We're going to try to untangle some of the issues around plant identification with the help of an expert. Yoku Nell is one of the fleet of experts who helped to. Buy Plants sent into the smart plant identification APP, so we ask him to reveal his plant identification secrets and set him a challenge which turns out to be a bit of a doozy actually. Got An email this week, which constituted the only feedback I've had of the negative coined about. Discussion of the black lives matters movement in a recent code and I wanted to just bring you a little bit of my response to this listener to the you can understand it passive. You've felt uncomfortable with what I've said. This will help you to understand where I'm coming from listener has basically argued that they confronted with politics everywhere they turn from news. TV shows sports at work, and the PODCAST was an escape, and they're not sure what. B. M. has to do with plots. And apparently this is ruined the podcast for them. So this was my response. Thanks for your email I'm truly disappointed to know you feel about on the legis- been ruined by a short segment and dozens of hours of audio and more than one hundred forty episodes. Here's the thing though plants are political, the battles that have raged in order to produce the coffee in your up all the chocolate ball in your lunchbox, a testament to that houseplants, a political to from the Victorian plant. Hunters finding. Finding out across the globe to discover that's in inverted commas, species to the poachers, still tearing succulents out of the ground in south. Africa and Venus fly traps from the swamps of the Carolinas to deny that would to borrow a metaphor have used the postcards before looking at the world through glosses, folks by ignorance. It's my mission trying to understand and explain all facets of house plants, and that includes addressing why black people are under represented in horticulture and doing my best to help change that. I don't lose you as a listener, and you'll be able to come on this journey of discovery with me may not always be comfortable to hear, but it will always be fascinating regards Jane. And I really mean I. Hope any listener who feels uncomfortable with discussions of race in the context of guarding and implants will hang around because he only way we're GONNA change. Things is by communicating with each other and learning from each other, and the more you hear from diverse as possible set of people when it comes to house plants, then the better your education and roundedness will become so. Yeah, keep listening, please and let's go on a journey together. In other news, a lawyer became a legend this week, pledging five dollars a month to support on the Ledge and Mary donated Co Dash Five Dot, com and find out more about how to support the show by visiting. The show notes at Jane Perron Dot Com, an update on plant passports. If you're in the UK and you've been following this debate, all you. You listen to my Nicholas spent episode a few months back about the British government's change in rules, which basically meant that anybody who is selling plants was going to have to register to issue plant passports. You'll be interested to know that I was given a phone call by my local plant inspector recently, and she told me that I basically been deregistered because. The rules changed the. They've decided that hobbyists those not making a profit from selling plants no longer needs to be registered but I will update. The plump passports show notes to this effect and I will put any links that I. Find that confirmed this into those notes, because obviously, this is a change that could affect quite a few of you hoping a good way in that, you don't have to worry about planned passports or shelling out for annual inspections. In a world where information is available at the tip of our fingers, it's surprising perhaps that we can struggle to identify a house plot, but yes, it still happens whether you pick something up in a sale, and it's just had a rather cryptic last on it. No label at all or you've been handed, applaud by relative or friend. Pick something up at a swap, and you just don't know what it is. So where do you start well? I always think with plant identification. It's a bit like a giant maze. There may be several paths to reaching your destination. The name of the plant obviously, and there are different ways of getting there. You've just gotTa find out the one that works for you and often time when the topic of plant identification comes up, people immediately comment when I asked for an ID on social media and say Oh. Have you tried this pull that up and tried Google Lens and bad always slightly makes me feel uncomfortable, and here's why I think. These apps are absolutely brilliant things. Things like Google Lens are brilliant. I cannot tell you how exciting it was where my son was doing a survey of the spiders in our house, and we've pointed Google Lens at a spider on the ceiling, and it immediately identified it. I hope correctly as a particular species of spider. It was miraculous, but when I've tested these APPs myself I'm talking about the APPS that use some form of Ai to identify a plant or indeed anything else. It's sometimes been disappointing because I've tested out the up on. Applaud that I know very well the name off and it hasn't always been correct. oftentimes it is which is remarkable, but you have to be aware that it's not always going to send you in the right direction, and in fact I'm going to do a little bit of a live experiment here on the edge. I've got my smartphone here. And I'M GONNA. Go with! Google Lens to identify long. That's here on my window sill to see if the Lens could identify just. Reaching round to. Get the camera on the plant. But See The lights no great, which doesn't helpless if we can put a bit more light there. We go okay well. Google Lens is telling me that it's either where are no Sir Pepperoni AH, obtrusive, earlier or just generally, Hoya it is in fact a Hoya. Australis Lisa so not bad. It took me to roughly the right direction I'm going to try one more this on my window sill here. This is a pretty distinctive. Claude so I, don't know. If. So Yup this is actually been identified as either a Swiss cheese, plant, Philodendron, or rapid offer, and I see where it's coming from. It is in fact, a Kreis accordion, the fern leaf cactus. Yeah, the plant. The Lens was confused by the shape of the plant and couldn't quite identify it, but as I say, it's definitely worth having a go with some of these APPs I think the problem is though that it can short cut our own eyes and their power to identify things. Coming up in the second half of the show. I'm going to be talking to York nel. He works for smart. Plant, which is an APP that uses actual human being experts to identify plants sent in by the APP users. Obviously, that's offering a completely different level of expertise. A human brain is looking at the photo in interpreting it. But. What if you don't want to sign up for an APP? You can send the pictures to me and I will do my best to identify things, and there are many forums online where you can post. Pictures and people will try to identify your plant just bit wear the first person who comments very confidently about your plant, because oftentimes, that's not correct, so do you wait for the wisdom of the crowds to weigh in? You take any ideas being correct, but say you want to have a go at doing it yourself. Where do you begin well? As ever I'm going to quote. doctor has say on, and there's a book that he puts out. In. What's the date on this book? Let's have a look. Boring bid of podcasting here while I turn to find the right page eighty five. This came out, and it's called the indoor plants spotter, and it's pretty much a retread of the house Blacksburg, but there's one thing in here, which is Robbie useful, and it's the way that the plants are arranged and particularly there's a key to the house plant groups at the front, and this relates to the different sessions of the book, so I've got another plant here which I'm going to do a little experimental on to see whether I cannot correctly identify it from using this special key. It's a bit like when you read a Woman's magazine and it'll have a quiz. Are you a? Outgoing person or you an extrovert or introvert, and you have to answer various questions and find out the answer. We're hoping that this will be a little bit more informative than those quizzes ever worked, so let's start okay. Start here. Does the plant bear distinct spinal bristles on its stem. Okay looking at it. No Response Bristles. Okay, finally said yes. That would have taken me to a few pages of spiny stem plants that you're obviously mainly, CACTI and some other things in there as well probably some you phobias and so on. But that's not where I'm going today, so I'm going to look down and see. Is the plant covered with dense hair? Not Dense hair now. Swollen and fused making the plants look like small stones. He can see where he's going with that one. You know it's not lith- ops. Okay? No is the plot grown mainly for its decorative leaves, and or stems okay. well currently, this is an inflow, but I happen to know that it does flower so I'm going to say no. Okay is the plant grown mainly for its decorative fruits. No. Do The flower bearing stems trail over the side of the part. No. Do this stems of the adult plant have to be supported by canes or wires no. Oh, you guessing what this is yet and he guesses. Gratefully received all the flowers, white or cream. No okay, that would've taken me to white flowering plants, but I'm going to go along and there's an option for blue flowering plants. Yes, okay, I'm going to go through to the blue flowering plants, and this is now now down to not very many pages, which I can glance through in the hope of finding my plant. Let's have a look. Her well actually. I guess I was slightly incorrect to say. The flowers are blue. Actually. The flowers are. What should I have picked instead? This if I can find the actual plant in here. I probably should have gone for multicolored flows. The plant is a Saint Paul an African violet, and I think I probably went slightly wrong, but. Okay yes African. Violets were listed under multicolored flowers. But you get the idea this book scare you a little bit of a checklist to go through in order to try to get you to narrowing down the Kinda plant. You have and you don't really need this book in order to do that because you can pretty much work it out for yourself. I mean this Rosette plants, bushy plants SPINELLI plants. GRASSI leafed plants. There's various categories you can probably work out for yourself in terms of the narrowing down. But it is really worth. If you can get hold of House plant books having a flick through I know it's tempting to go online, but what often times when you've got a physical book in your hand, and you can flip through the pages it's easier to. Actually focus down on what you're looking for. I'll put a link to this indoor plants spot a book in the show notes. In case you're interested in having look as I, say the material. If you've already got a has saone houseplant book, the pictures and the material and the INFO is largely the same. It's down to where it's how it's arranged and this little chart at the front, but you know if you're has saone completed like me. You probably want to get your hands on that book. Book one of the other things you can do when you're trying to idea. Plant is consider plant families now if you remember back to the botanical Latin episode, most plot names come in the form of a species and genus, and the genus is like your surname, and the species is like your first name now the family level is one level above genus so one level above Perron I'm not sure how he described that, but there are about six hundred different plump families in the plant Kingdom A. A quite a few of them are known as containing quite a few house plant species. And when you're thinking about plants, it is worth thinking in terms of family when you try to identify plot just narrowing down what plop family that you're plot belong to, and I'm just GonNa go through a few of the plant families just to give you an idea of some of these groupings, because once you do. Your plant is in the Rayleigh ACA group or the Sexy Frazier Group of all the meant. Meant group this will just help you to narrow down look more closely at those particular families and Genera within those families, as you narrow down your options, so one of the most well known families ease the arrowed family the array she, they're also synthetic, sometimes known as the Aaron family, and if you ever come across a plot that's gotta flower that looks like a piece of any flowers eve essential in flourescence or spike, which has got lots of tiny tiny tiny flowers all over it and spayed. oftentimes, that will be wrapped around with sort of cloak like racked. Again think of the Peace Lily. This is a good indication that this plant comes from the array family, and this family is home to many of our favorites like the Genus Monster, the genus Philodendron, plus also and theorems Zamin Okocha on defense. So not of that we know and love in that family I think I've spoken before about the fact that members of the meant or dental or sage family Asia have got often times. It was all of the plants in this species, not quite, but most of them have got square stems, so if you have a finger on the stem field, the stem of Abaza or say you're meant you'll feel. The stem has distinct right-angles to it is really squish eight, so if you feel a square shape stem, that's a pretty good indication. The plot is member of the. Family has more than two hundred genera including Selena stem stem on or the Coleus family. As we know loads of the window so herbs you might be growing such as sages and Basil's and so on. The other thing that's really distinctive about this family is the fact that the flowers. If you look closely, you'll see that. The pedals are kind of melded together into an upper lip and a lower lip and one of the name. The other names for this plant families lobby Atia I'll leave you to work out the reference there, but yeah, this is a big family of lots of plots and a few houseplants in it, so that's another one to bear in mind. Mind then there's the radiation. The radio family around fifty five Genera in this one, and this includes things like Hetero. The Ivy Chef leroux the umbrella tree. These are often woody plants. You might also see this family known as the Ginseng family most of the speeches come from Southeast Asia and The tropical parts of the Americas so from tropical parts of the world and another plant. That's in this family is fancier. Japonica that wonderful force castor oil plant which? I'm wonderful and has rather fancy CULTIVAR, spiders with its cream splashed arrogation. A couple more to mention there's the you phobias or the spurgeon you for Asia more than two hundred Genera in this family, so it's huge in this quite a lot of taxonomic change on all the time with this group is a bit tricky, but there are loads of plants that are grown as houseplants. Any garden plants in this family. I'm one of the things that. That unifies many of these plants is they do give off a milky sap when they the stem is broken, or the leaf is broken, and this is an error turns and talk sexy. Don't want to get it on your skin, so if you see a plant on, it has some milky supplements a fairly good bet that it might be in the U. Phobia family. And often times the succulent you. Phobias are mistaken for CACTI, but they're not CACTI to case of convergent evolution where two different. Evolutionary journeys have been happening simultaneously to different plots plants in different parts of the world, so we do have you for be as that are often mistaken for CACTI like the African Milk Bush euphoria, trig owner, and of course, the other plant that's in this family. Is You phobia? Poe Caramel, the ever so popular Setia, as you know not one of my favorites, but had to give it a mentioned as such a well-known plant, and then there's combination in Asia the. The Spider family, and this contains all the tragedy scanty group, and since I notice jen genus loads of plants in there that are grown as houseplants, so there's a few families that are loads more. If you want to get further into this, then do have a look online. There's lots of websites including Kapadia that have got extensive list of different plant families, and the more you studied them. The more you will understand how to then five plants in their particular family. If, you're looking for fast and reliable way to be rid of the pain, itching and swelling. WHO's by INSECT BITES INVEST IN A. The by the way is a battery. Powered device uses concentrated lead directly onto the site of a point to quickly doom discomfort bring. How does it work just press? His size of a Chunky mark. Onto the surface of the skin. We've been bitten I the buck and a short spell of access stop. She felt down think. 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A live plant idea of mystery set of foliage sent in by listening to this show and let me tell you the jobs, not as easy as you may think as plant by D. Challenge Indicates Steve. visit. The show notes at Jane. Perot DOT COM. While you're listening. If you want to have a look at the mystery plot and tried to ID yourself well, thank you very much for joining Yakult I. Am in all of your role working for smart plant, helping the world identify plant with a particular focus on Indo plots. Are there any plants that are particularly indoor plants that you just see over and over and over again until you WANNA scream screamer, but the the real interesting thing is is that they do come in waves, and you can almost set your seasonal clock. By some plums, but with indoor plants it's mostly what is currently being sold in the nurseries. It's very interesting if You can see how the trains in trade develop by what is coming in what comes through regularly defend Bahia is one we see often and in various forms. Do. I know that as a Glomma, but I know some people call it anchor Neem. The common name for this Chinese Greens that comes through also. When I studied horticulture at used to be a very small group of select plans. I think Seoul the Queen was one of the CULTIVARS. He was one of the others now this. Siyam Pink. Aurora is all kinds of new colors available? And so that comes through quite a lot also, and this spitefully of is another one. Spouses is an interesting one. That's not one that people actually ask the name of when they've bought it. That's the one that does the name of wincing. Start going wrong. Then they want to know. What is. What should I do to fix this? That kind of thing. The nurseries are doing you a favor and sending you work by just putting foliage plants on the label rather than anything more actually accurate about the neighbor plot. Because so many plants you buy, do come with very limited information. Don't are there any indoor plants or groups of Indo plants that are particularly hard to pin down you kind of your heart sinks where you see an ID. Come in that you need to do. Yes a nerd. The yes is for cultivar status because there's so many new cultivars being released regularly. And with the new cultivars that comes on on on. bought become available in the marketplace decides thing is, is that this very little information, because the growers protecting their sort of breeds, rights and They didn't want to tell you. Who the two parents. Species that were involved in making this union they wanted to you if it's a sports or a mutation, and you can understand that you understand that they are probably sort of either don't know. They founded someway from another go bolted and developed it into a product, or they are actively doing the own hybridization program selection program, and that's costly, and and you can understand that they protect that, but for me as a sort of a bomb Geek, I find that frustrating so I very often go to the Internet, and then go and search for the information, and in terms of plants, coming in with requests of of what it is difficult ones. I found in the beginning. I found pepperoni AH to be a very interesting one because the information. Was So lacking and of course I don't have an entire plump library in my at my home where I work, so you inevitably go online and start looking and the interesting thing. Is this very easy to actually quickly? Decide the family then hone in on the genius, and then you start looking at the species. But if you have the family and the genus view are. More than fifty percent there knowing way to go. And if I can draw that back to the photographs, you've sent me to have a look. It's definitely that this is a plan that belongs to the spider awards. I've been been mean to you. Haven't is because I've I've asked you to do a sort of a live identification of a plan that's been sent by. Her name is Rosie and she's got this plant which she is wanting to identify, and she's in New York state, and she's an ICU nurse or I. Guess He's pretty busy right now, but she's got this plan and wants an ID because she got plant, but I guess that's often how this can happen. So you've narrowed it down to a spider were where would you what's telling you that? It's a in that particular category? It's the way that the grows its opposites leaves. The way the leaf, the base of the leaf hugs the Stan. There's also very fine. Hairs all along the edge of the leaf. And the leaf is Lindsay late. The genus is not for me. I know to go look for it, and this is where the process will start looking for for the answers I know that we're looking at family. CAMELIA I'm not get. WORRIED ABOUT A. Call states frank, but it's the type of country of family that the broader family Mona Kata leading I. Think the first thing that you look at this at Monaco toys, a dichotomy Ledin and those are either the one seed load. To seed low plans to in Layman's terms, and so this is the Mona caught. I go order. and Family Chameleon the ACO. Then you start looking for where we should look for this specifics of this blunt, obviously always difficult stuff that actually trips you up and I'm wondering if this is not a possibility in this instance. I'm I'm having a look at? Decree Decree Sandra which is the. Blue Ginger. But I don't think this is blue. Gender I'm the same sages you as that I came to the same congressional issue, the spider were of some kind and then kind of like Oh. Okay and After that? I. Just I'm just looking at the email to see if this any more information in here, that might help us. This was from somebody. She got on in a swap and she is cutting from a temple somewhere in Southeast Asia. which is not particularly helpful I guess in terms of it could be there so many plants, which naturalized all over the world, but I guess and also it's not helping that it's. We can't really see the habit because it's so small, so it could be trailing just going up at the moment. It's still very young, and this is the interesting thing in the difficulty is get really young plans or plants are growing atypically because they not in the correct light. Then it becomes really really interesting and you have to. Experience him is. Absolutely essential that you know that certain plants will react in a certain way. There's. Another possibility that I want to explore spiral gingers, but there's no spinal growth on the foliage so for me. I am not sure it's a see overall. It could be a spiral ginger actually if you look at how the. That, could be a spinal. Well that's thrown. That's thrown. Another thought into I'm wondering if this is going to be one of these ones, which this one wants to me, where literally I woke up in the middle of the night and jumped out of bed, when I suddenly Rebecca the name applaud that somebody had sent me a picture of to identify. THEM SO pleased use. You say that because I always think to myself. I'm the Numb to. It because I. Wake up in the middle of the night. That's where I need to go. Have a look at. Happened for me was. The monkey plant. McCoy honor, actually that might not be the current species that were used to be called anyway and that obviously i. Recalled from my past, but it was so deep in my brain, and somebody sent me this picture and I was looking through trying to think what is that? What is it and then it came to me in the night. My husband I'm sure was in despair kind of leaping up something going I know it is, but it. It can take you awhile to access the information. Deepen your brain concert absolutely, and it just depends on how tired ham stays in finding that information in you in your hard drive. It's quite interesting living with people that aren't plant GEEKS. They don't understand it. I'll never forget many years ago. I went for a hike. In the Cook National Park Insulin Africa with a bunch of tweets. But watches. And into funniest thing was. Is there one or two people that were plugged watchers, and then the rest of all bird watches? Five or six people walking around looking into the trees and falling over everything to people walking around with their heads down, not seeing a single bird, but we're looking at everything on the ground I I found that a lot of human found it very very funny that we actually become so enamored with something so specific. I still think this is. SPINAL WARD! It's not a ginger. We might. We might have to leave this with you for a total. But I guess what's interesting from from taking us through. That is the things that you're looking at, so you talked about leaf shape and I guess that's pretty vital. Also leave position because those of us who look at plants closely do realize that leaves have many different ways of arranging themselves on a stem, and that in itself can be really key and also I again the shape of A square stem immediately thinking about the Lemay family at the family, and that's giving a a steer, so leave shape, leaf position, and also as you say the nature of the leaves they herries the margin the leaf margin. Rated entire, if gets serrated. What kind of summation has it doesn't have? We often get people posting very artistic photographs on the APP trying to find the planets, but the top and tail of. So tap not seeing so you can't see how it terminates Nazis. That especially when you get species level that becomes really important. The Patio Yukon see because they've actually removed that in Ain framing the photograph very artistically, and you can't see the leaf arrangement is opposite postal tone. It is a world. All that kind of information tells a story that helps you to go to the right plant. While all of them, the experts and work on experience, we also have the broader knowledge in Bennett in way to look in terms of the family, so that it's easy to then figure out which species which subspecies which call belongs to, and if there's any advice, second, give people is, do not try and send not justify to graphs to the APP because that's not what you actually want. We're not going to give. A scoring for the artistic venue of the photograph, but we aren't going to actually be really pleased if you give us a photograph that. Includes the shape of elite from the margin of the leaf, arrangement patio, position, patio, insertion, stem, node, detail, Inter, node, detail, and then the. Strangest. This may seem the weighing. The Leaf tapers at the ends is also important so that information? Helps each one of the experts to sort of an and gun. Look for things and come up with an answer Orrin opinion of what they think. The Clinton is being sent in actually. Is I think the other thing that people actually tend to forget when they send in photographs. This is they send in a photograph of a single. It's a single photograph single angle. They do not actually consider the fact that a person on the other side the ex, but that's going to be with. Will be able to be able to pick it up. Turn around, look at it. Touch. It feel it smell if there's any essential oils coming offer. So you as a abuser is at a vantage, you can see more. You can turn it around. You can actually consider various angles. You can really sort of pull things and look at it whereas. The expert gets one photograph I. Mean You spoilt me today with four photographs? But usually it's a single photograph, and as I said very often. It is lots of cropping of Thompson, tails, and very artistically framed by the way I've actually. Looked at this plant and I actually think that this is in fact. Blue Ginger Dick Corey Sandra thirsty flora. Okay and it's. It's the right area of the World I. Think this is actually the passing central South America Atlantic Chorus. But it is certainly tropics I I saw a flowering in. Food Shoal. And now growing in. Just outside my door in the front garden for the first time last year, it was a all year. Greenhouse wasn't happy about that, but it's thriving in the front. Garden in. Glorious someone we having you managed to figure it out. That is amazing and this plant is, is it? She's finding it very easy to. After I guess it is a relation to the Travis County Grid. Spot of. It's still part of that same that same group, so a nice and easy, and it's great that this plant is growing well for her, so I'm really glad you've been able to identify that. Do you have a you hate to complete dead end? What happens then bow? Of course the interesting thing is is that yes, all the experts have a certain level of expertise from experience and working with plans and having. A lifetime of learning behind them but It's. A Big Signs, but there was a very particular one. Was a plant that somebody sent in. Actually I I I've got a little Chrissy sheet that I actually keep photographs and names of plants that I never knew that I wanted to know that I. Felt. So I'm just looking through that. At the moment, it was a really interesting plant. With, the most amazing flowers and it stumped me and I. It took me Mealy a year to actually find out what it was, and that doesn't mean that. I sat on on the ID for that long I just left it. Open for somebody else to actually go and find and. Identify it one of the other experts, but it it is. It was Podesta's of what it is. And it goes in. The Chelsea because gone. And it was initially you incorrectly. Identified as badly. G- Lebowa, and when you see the flowers, you'll sort of see why. How easily was. Identified but when? An quite interesting. There was a nice interaction with experts on facebook group. And we managed to actually. Look down, find out where the photograph was taken and contacted the Chelsea Garden and say what on Earth is this? We've now being through every possible boss ability for this plant. And remaining sixty-five. About effect is beautiful. Blunt! But it's one of those that. In the brain and I couldn't go so every time I had a little time to spare I would go onto the Internet and start looking. Very pleased. Such a sense of achievement when you actually finally find the genus and species that. Yeah it really does make you feel good inside and I think that's the thing is that you can grill? Build up your identification skills gradually and start learning about things like leaf, shape, stem, arrangement and different. Genera- and that way. You build up gradually, and you can't be expected to know all at once and I'm sure that there are elderly botanists who is still stopped by particular plants, so we can all. Everyday School Day right one for me. This is this is one of the real joys of of my career is I, studied horticulture then on went into landscape architecture, and what I'm doing at the moment. All of them have one thing in common matters. You never stopped learning with landscape architecture. You work with engineers, architects and urban designers and. Whole Bevy of specialists. With horticulture that's constantly ninety about plants at never stops a brilliant thought to end on Yawkey. That's really great you know. May you continue to identify those gnarly difficult plants for all of us? WHO ARE GETTING STUMPED? Thank you very much. Odd! Now just when you thought we had the plant identification for Rosie can. Licked. An email came into my inbox from Yakult with an update. He writes had a good look again this morning. I think my original idea of DIKO. Sandra thirty flora had been too hasty. In lacks the fine hairs clearly visible in photos since we spoke other than decor. Asandra is considered the General Galicia, Paula and Frisco poke within the larger family of community. If these each of the general possibilities, but I think the more likely genus being flow scope up. Without flowers it. We are not to admit them more information and preferably flowers are needed to settle this one. Having said that Scopus seem to fit the region word is reported to have come from kinds of basic leaf, shape and arrangement, and the fine hairs, and it or other flow scopus candidates seem to be as happy growing in wet soils and Pondo. Street margins to the extent there are some web pages that even advise growing it in open fish tanks and does submerge fish tank plants I think the jury is still out on this one. So Rosy Cup pleased to get in touch. When your plant flowers, we would absolutely love to have some pictures of the flowers. Somebody could pitted this species down for once of and for all, but that's really highlighted the skill that goes into blunt identification, and perhaps whetted your appetite for doing a bit of plant ide- Work Yourself. That's all for this week. I'll be back next Friday. Until Ben I hope your week is filled with good things and kind thoughts. By. The music you heard in this episode was roll. 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Episode 91: growing herbs indoors

On The Ledge

48:15 min | 1 year ago

Episode 91: growing herbs indoors

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So it's definitely worth checking out if you find that your missing on the ledge, inbetween episodes, and of course, when we take little breaks as we've just done all fee was getting a lot of love after peering in episode eighty nine and I put a picture of him on Instagram as well wolf e is my hairy hound and I will put out a tiny little. Bonus episode just five minutes long about wolf e which if your dogs eat might want to listen to or if you're not just skip. But you can find out more about Wolsey in that little mini episode coming up soon. Somebody also has helped me out with the odds of the question of that was in my apple podcasts review strangely enough about hardy spider plants. Thank you so much to Anna Dickie. She told me that the seller was van moon who are applaud Sela here in the UK who are offering clarified saunder CI Starlight, which is being sold as an therapy. All the hardest by the plant. This apparently can be grown outdoors all year round with elegant variegated foliage and starry white flowers. Yes, it doesn't very similar to the housebound. Glorified him and says, it's ideal for contain is mixed borders. So this is an interesting one you can buy this relative of clarify, Tim commotion same genus different species by the look of it. And do grow it outside. Of course, you can grow your spy, the plants of the Chlorophiles him commotion type outside too. But you have to bring them in before the frost, so they won't get because they won't like being frosted. But this one seems to be a tougher proposition. So definitely worth a look if you want to expand your spider plant collection further, and thanks again to Starlight botanist who also left me, a lovely review on apple podcasts and called the show the best house plant podcast hands down. Oh, that's nice. Thanks, Starlight botanist. Although she does say, you can always learn something fun and interesting and for better or worse. Discover a new and wonderful plant or to. Yes. It does have a habit of doing that this show, doesn't it costing you money. I apologize in advance. Thanks, also to t- four H, you left a review on the UK version of apple podcasts in which he or she called the podcast, all lovely thing. Well, that's kind of what I'm aiming for around here. So that's great to hear. If you like plants that are multi multi-purpose, then herbs are really fantastic thing to grow in the house. My interview today is with Hugh Richards, the guardian cooled him the new kid in herbaceous border been inaccurate guardian is actually he's more likely to be in the veg- bed than the herbaceous border. But anyway, Hugh Richards is definitely somebody to look out for when it comes to finding out how to grow veg, but where it indoor show. So I'm not talking to Hugh about a lot mental outside although a little bit of that does creep into this episode. But I wanted to know his tips for growing herbs indoors. So we go little bit mad for mint. We find out. What all is our and Hugh talks about an amazing cohost made from sheep's, wool and Bracken. So my name's she Richards started growing when I was about three now twenty on possibly most well known for my YouTube. Channel which teaches people how they can grow food. No matter what scale that they have. Hugh. I didn't know when I first came across you. I think it was probably when your YouTube channel blew up and you were in the guardians pass notes, or whatever they call it too. I remember seeing that thinking. Ooh, hang on. He's he suddenly hitting the big time. Was that a moment where things just blew out for you, and your YouTube channel went crazy? It was quite unbelievable. It was just over a year ago. Actually got picked up my store. Go Pitt tough I in the western mile, and then it was the times the mail on the collagen on the garden recant on that was just the moment of constant emails and phone calls from people all over the country different opportunities. Three or four publishes Klum taught me a hard lose of agencies. Six different TV production companies. It was a little bit shocking to honest. Well, when did gardening gets popular this is I mean is great to see you as a guy of twenty promoting gardening and doing excellent stuff on your YouTube channel, that's very inspirational. I know my audience are in that twenties. And absolutely love gardening and a really into it. And our sort of defying the Papp's stereotype of all the people that young people aren't really into gardening. So you started off when three was that was sort of a family hobby that everyone got involved in was that how you got started. Yes. So we moved she when I was about nine months old from Yorkshire. We moved to midwest Wales just about half an hour in Lund foam upper stretch. Because my parents will use inspired by things like John sue MS book of self sufficiency on the TV show that good life. And they tell you what let's move. Let's get smallholding and just be a bit more self sufficient so ever since I remember I've got terrible memory anyway. But looking back they're just got me involved with everything and a grateful because as I grew up I kind of learned about the true story of of food where it comes from. And also help to grow things and how to care for plants and kids really miss out with that experience. Yeah. That's very true. And so your Asli it was in your blood, and you're exposed to it really early which is great. So you'll really known for your for your veg going experts. And if your new book veggie bed is sitting in front Sabine is rather lovely. So this is all about how to grow lots of food in one race bed month by month, which is. And I somebody who has raised beds. I should be leaving through and getting some inspiration. But on the ledge is about indoor gardening. So really here to chat about some things that we can do indoors. I know that sometimes I don't do a cute amount of stuff on edible things you can grow indoors. So I'm hoping to correct that this week by having a chat with you about some of the things you can get up to indoors. I say to you. I think when we had our chat pre interview chat about get me getting a bit sniffy about people trying to grow lavender indoors, and you sort of said, well, I know love doing doors. So let's just talk about some of the herbs that you can grow doors on what works, and what doesn't work. What are the key points that can work as herbs indoors? I I'd go for the annuals definitely. Although technically things like parsley or a biannual on the second year. They'll she son out flowers on productive. So I do is a new crop. Every February or March just so you can get good harvest. So things I find more of the leafy greens greens kind of herbs so Basel meant Cohen depaz -ly, those were really well on the need a little less care because when you come onto things like Rosemary and lavender it can get a bit more difficult and a bit more complicated. So for me, I feel if someone is just starting off on a window sill or something, and they wanna grow some some herbs then I would definitely go for something like basil or possibly. That's great. And I think basil is great because there are some really really beautiful cultivars out there Fazal, which look I mean, they could they could stand in as kind of an attractive phone each plot. I'm thinking of some of those kind of purple leave ones which really really stunning. So when you when you coming to sew your seed, what's the basic? Procedure with that. We've been doing a lot of seeds sewing here on the ledge for on the ledge so long, but is doing something like basil parsley any different than say. So in coleus like what we've been talking about sewing. A specially the ones I mentioned they're kind of the leafy green kind of herbs. The follow very similar process in terms of sewing. So I'd say starting February. And also, so you them in the pot. You want to harvest them for my thing. That's really important. So and terms of pot Damato make sure that the least about four four to five inches wide. So about ten centimeters. If you can get bigger, obviously is going to be a bit of a benefit for you. What I do is. So them about a quarter of an inch deep so half a centimeter and use a potting mix because potting mixes a made specifically to grow in pots the clues in the name. So I'd also try and recommend to use peop- Frey as well. And if you want to try something new does this new compost company that's had a lot of publicity? I'm sure you've heard of them Dale foot, compass you hit of them. I have. Yes, I've used that come many times. Yes. They they make for those of you listening who don't know the make compost. Primarily out of sheep's wool and Bracken. And it's amazing combination. Which I don't know how they would have thought that it was just using it. I've never had such a soft compost. But I found the moisture attention of it very very good for the pot. So I've actually got little containers outside of strawberries growing in that compost. And even though we've had lots of warm weather recently within the first antidote to that. That's still moisture so that that's something that's worth having cap. And then what I do is once you've sewn them so cover them with office and two meter of of the potting mix, and then keep them in a warm spot because this does help promote your nation, and especially starting in February still quite cool. And if you're going on a window sill, we can come back to looking at different types of windowsills what the best off. Khuzestan close to the outside that quite cool. So if you have an airing cupboard or something like radiates to something putting the pots on top of his just going to speed up the nation and another thing I like to do is. So you don't worry about if appreciation is cutout a little college board kind of circle which will fit over the top of the pot put that over and then every day also just chat sprouts on as soon as you see those little seedlings emerge than move them to a place with of light to to stop them becoming leg that is the enemy of selling season doors, isn't it that problem with with leggings? I mean, you can't get a lot of these elaborate kind of. Piece of kit now combined grow light with a seats. Okay. I mean, I I'm bit of a miser as as regular listeners will note, and I don't like spending money, I guess some of these work provided that you use that you pay to buy bit of kit that you're can use year after year. Those LED grow lights can really help with the problem of seedlings getting getting to spindly, you're definitely on. The other thing is is there's a huge range so Hyun go white for the kind of peculiar range all the way to really advance. The thing is is out some people on going to have a south facing window. So because I deal you need at least six hours of sunlight day for growing herbs and doors. So if you don't have that or you don't have it east facing, which is second best option than I would then say, look any kind of elite grow light. And even if you're just getting started, I feel there's no harm in getting something. Maybe it's a bit Naff and cheap. What you're doing is. Actually, you're you're building your experience through that. And then you can then choose which direction you wanna take. That's interesting you're recommending keeping the same things in the same pot. And then presumably if you're a bit heavy handed with the sewing, you might lead to thin out some of those ceilings if you've got too many in the part, actually. I'm not a huge advocate of sending out, especially if especially things like if I'm going outdoors lattice or something I never think that because of the way harvest them. And I think it's the same for herbs. Just make sure that you don't have more than say three to five seedlings in a pop kind of sewed them sensual, and they're going to grow witty kind of bushy stem on they'll grow out, and you can harvest all so don't be afraid and another thing that I encourage people to do is to experiment and try different things. So why don't you compare the growth between a pot of three or four possibly plants versus a pot of just one plot? And then you can work out yourself, which wishes best for you. That's great advice. And we talking about selling February. It's now I pro- if anyone's listening to this straightaway as it comes out. They may be thinking, oh, I've missed the boat. Is there a case that? You can say well, I'll just catch up dust. The great thing about gardening indoors is. You don't have to worry about forests. And even though during the winter unless you to have some kind of supplemental lighting than not going to go as fast, but you still going to get fresh harvests on your window sill. That's something amazing, especially if you're an Khoza claim as well, let's just talk about a few lazy cheats here people. Do buy herbs from the market imports, which you know, I try to avoid this because it feels like most of the time is unnecessary for me personally. But it happens is there anything we can do to prolong the life of those CPA market potted herbs or even finding some way of keeping them going over the whole of the year as opposed to just chopping them often. Then consigning them to the compost feet to be honest. I'm a huge fun of boy. Being hers from supermarkets to grow imparts. I've done that before I somehow feel that this item a curse on me. Or the shed cursed for the we seem on you really quickly. And I'm really trying to look off to you. But they just seem to say well give up. So if you do want to cheat I would say a batch watchin- is to go to a garden Santa you like or trust or no hus- good quality because the quality of the actual production in growing is is I feel going to be a lot better than in a supermarket. So that's the first thing that I'd say now if you all gonna get herbs for Masui market, the first thing that I would do is. I would actually put them up into a slightly bigger part on us some fresh potting compost with that. And then be very cautious with washing trying not to over water them because I always feel whenever. By herbs from a shop that. 'and people have different experiences for me. I feel the compost and pretty wet. I wouldn't call it moist is pretty wet and one of the things that is a huge problem of going herbs and doors is that when you have a lot of moisture in the roots on imports kind of kramden at the roots, then begin to rot. So something that you could try like a little cheat or not really cheap move a hack is to use terra cotta pots because just make sure that they're not glazed inside or outside because these Ecorse, if you go outside you might have heard of these things called olas Ohio ever you pronounce them. They they give this really slow release of moisture into the soil. So what you can do is. If you grow things in tackle to endorse. The Klay helps lose that moisture from the soil the excess moisture and will. Reduce the risk of route bought tell me the name without thing. Again. I think it's spelled o double all. Oh, yeah. How you pronounce it either? But I have seen these. Yes. I really want to give this a try in the garden where you've got this terra cotta. I think the traditional ones shape like a like a wind to counter or something. So they're to narrow neck, but you think you can't do it just with regular regular teric onto park, aren't you? Yeah. I really wanna give go because I've got to raise beds. I mean, really retrospectively I probably shouldn't have put these raise birds in because I have a very free draining soil. They don't really help my race beds. But I think if I added some maybe they be better be better growing some more thirsty crops there. So yeah, that's an interesting idea. And I know you can you can do also do this on a really small scale with mixed plantings inside as well. With us a tiny pot. If you're going away that is a good tip. I don't know how to pronounce it though. Is it all Ola? I couldn't tell you know, one thing I would say in terms of if you do wanna use them excited. When growing herbs is to kind of grow. A clump of herbs around or say transplant after you've put the ODA potting because actually quite big on is not suitable for those of crops at suitable for a nice concentrated circular area psyche. Because I never said anything in rose. I am. I am one of life's sprinkle is. I'm not. Orderly road kind of person even when I had Lachmann I was a bit freestyle. So that sounds perfect for me. We'll be back with more herb chat with Hugh shortly. But now it's time for question of the week, which comes from Ashley who has a problem with a bamboo plod. Although actually looking at the photos, actually, I think your plant is much more likely to be juicier than about boo. Although I can understand why you've got the two mixed up because drew CENA's do have that Strunk which does a passing resemblance about booze. So I think you have a sina and the problem you've got is that you'll golden retriever her sake. No experimental bite on the shoots Odia, naughty pooch. Now poor booth. This is the name for her Bambi plant thing, you might need change that actually is getting Brown she's reported. And in fact, leaves are starting to turn yellow so this doesn't sound great mechanical damage from the teeth of pooch should not cause leaves to go Brown. The plot Mako into. A bit of shock. But you know, what drew scene is are incredibly tough plots. And usually if chomped on they will just re grow provided they're happy in their conditions, which leads me to think that perhaps this plant e wasn't happy in the first place. Actually, I suspect that there may be an issue with over watering the yellow leaves are often a sign of over watering. If there's a lot of them one or two yellowing leaves is fairly normal for most plants leave lost river, they tend to be lost. And they will go yellow before they fall. But if lots of leaves are going yellow often that can be over watering now just CENA's they can stand an awful lot of neglect. Which is why they are in jeering, Lee popular house plants. I have seen imagine NADA. You may have seen it on the Facebook live the other day, I'm going to try L airing it for the patriots episode, which could be fun. But for the moment, it's a very spindly, but healthy margin. Many years old actually belongs to my half. And I just Chuck a mug of water on every now and again, and it's absolutely find. So they don't need fussing about watering every five minutes. Also. So I would say actually it's good that you've reported and baps the plants just recovering from the shock of being me potted and the shock of your pooch easing it and just keep off the water and see what happens on the other hand. If the leaf tips, go Brown. It probably means you're plot isn't getting enough water. So again, there's a careful balance here. So actually doesn't say whether she says getting Browns she doesn't say whether it's tips or spots or what? But as I say, I suspect that this plant just needs less water. One of the other thing worth mentioning if you didn't know is that receivers are quite sensitive to fluoride in water. So if you live in an area with a floor dated water system is definitely worth looking at watering, your senior with either distilled water or rain water to get. Round this problem if they are suffering from fluoride overdose. You'll see some Brown marks on the lead depends on exactly which receive got us to how that will manifest. But if you're doing everything else, right? And you're still isn't happy Floride is definitely something to have a look at. Ashley, let me know how you getting on with this plot. I'm sorry. It's taking me a world to answer your question. But I suspect that you'll see we'll be fine you've reported it just ease off on that water. If you're worried about the roots, and whether you have over water, take it out of the pot again and look at those routes and see what's going on check that they're noise. White and firm another what is just with your golden retriever other than maybe find him some other ways, keep his brain busy. But I'm sure as soon as he looks at you with this little squishy faced that all is forgiven. If you've got a question for on the ledge podcast drop me an Email on the ledge podcasts at g mail dot com. And if you can please include a picture. And lots of information about where your plant is sited how long you've had it and what's been happening. So I can do my best to really give you accurate information. And now back to my chat with Hugh, and I wanted to find out what you can do when you've got one of those soggy supermarket. Her pots, can you add anything to it to sort out, the waterlogging or is it just best reported. Definitely to just reporting. It it's the most simple thing to I actually find it really satisfy and putting on plants another thing that you could do is try putting it on a raise eighty two or a rarely sunny day, and it's nice and warm outside leave that pot outside on that really help reduce excess moisture I'm not sure something which is really important as well as yes, I mentioned about having to use or using Tokyo supports to help reduce moisture, but one of the things, especially if you're growing window sills, you want to make sure what the pots have drainage holes as with everything. However, you don't want any soil compost water to train actually onto your window sale on on leave those stains. So if you're using a source underneath make sure isn't a clay source or if is Glazer. Otherwise, it might really nice authentic, but still going to let moisture swear slushies Radi quick tip to remind. Yeah. That is a good tip. Because you know, I've ruined quite a few piece of furniture with parts over the years as long as it's your word. That's true. Yeah. A knife. Find the that that is a really good tip. And I also sometimes use in addition to that just some some slate coasters which underneath because even when you've got a glazed thing, sometimes the moist of dampness can sort of permeate through if you've got if it's onto wood or something. So I tend to have several layers of protection on things that I really care about something. I really like is if you do want to look for cool sources or something as I like to use site plates and pit them up for either three swish shop charity shop or something that you can get them really cheaply, you can get really cool design. So if you're looking for some kind of sources peration than. I would go look at your local secondhand stores. Great. And when there any hope for anybody who says, look, I've got a west facing windowsill. I really don't wanna buy grow lights of is anything edible that people with a bit less light can can go for without having to invest in girl lights or oral grow lights. Really the Steve if you're in the lower light situation for Ables indoors, I would say if you are like in light, you need to look a bit more towards the micr inside of things because usually when you harvest those there, she still growing from the energy from the seed than having to synthesize. So something that I really think works well things like p shoots a fantastic or you can look at the micro greens things like Chris anything like that. And terms of herbs they are going to struggle a bit. But I think they'll be a some in terms of the best post. Chance. I'd probably look at trying to grow something like meant like apple mental something and just see how it goes. But I would say if you don't try, you know, what's going to happen on even though it might be disastrous. If you knew supplant, at least if given a go because the best thing that can happen is you find out you cannot grow something on that window. So exactly and I'm glad imagined meant because I think this is my all time, favorite herb. And I have got quite a few different varieties of mint, which is all in my garden. But I do sometimes bring a pot in over the winter. I don't know how many men too you grow Hupa. I've got I mean, I've had more in the past. And I've got now. But I think I've probably got at least half a dozen. I'm one of my favorites is the hito mint which is designed specifically for putting the he tows, which is nice. And when I have which I've never seen anywhere else. Am I can't tell you where I got it from because it's top-secret. What can I say? But I have got some lavender mint, which genuinely when you crush the leaves smells of lavender. Which is really interesting up some cuttings. Yeah. No seriously, all send you some essentially some lavender. It's really awesome. We have chocolate mint which is. To. But I think there's about six hundred different cultivars of of of meant. Yes. So I think he needs your collection. Well, you know what I'm going to? And in fact, I'll put it link in the show notes to a place that I tend to get a lot of my Minch from which is called plants with purpose and their little mail order nursery in the had Scotland away was have not lots of really weird mints that that I tend to like to buy so all included linked to that. And the wonderful thing about having those mints in the kitchen is obviously it's very easy, then to go and make your freshman, tea and just rest some leaves off which is fantastic. And I think if you ever need a mood boost just squeezing some mint crushing twenty fingers and having a sniff. I think that's a wonderful thing. Pops is just me. Please. It's what I like to do is make a herbal tea. I think lemon balm is something else that you could try as well, but another benefit of growing these things is they out of really nice fragrance indoors as well. I feel like a natural filter giving you nice fragrance of that. Especially if you just rub a couple of leaves every now, and then just every so often get this little with of mint or something else. I really like is Basel as well. So so I think in other way of looking say is yes, it might not be extremely productive, especially if you don't have lots of sun, whatever. But then also have the frequent side. And also you have of greenery and doors, which is always going to be a benefit as you say, it might not be a permanent plant, but it might come in for few weeks at a time and then go back outside, no pun intended. And. Yeah, indeed is another one. Indeed. Indeed, I'm look if I'm just looking out my office window at a huge clump of time, which just is tripled in size. I don't know what happened there. It's got huge time is another is another one for one. But just going back to the wonderful thing about men is it so you could just take a section of stem of that square, shape stem, and he roots so easily doesn't it? So really is very Ruta water going to say, I haven't routed minting water. But I'm sure it does root very easily and mentioned lie lemon balm. I think people often get mixed up between lemon of Beena and lemon, Bob. They're two different things. Two different species of plants, but they both offer kind of lemony hit. I guess you could grow lemon for beaner indoors as well. I've not tried it. But I guess that would work as a temporary plot. But probably would need love some haven't. I haven't experienced hundred how either incite, but that's my ultimate the smell of those leaves is just that's just like crack cocaine to me, the smell of lemon Vina leaves. I could just sniff all day camps. I sound like a widow now. But I it makes me despair when you see people by plugging airfresheners, it's like just open the window and get some herbs inside. That's all you need to do to make your life much, much better. So fuels was important with things like growing Limbaugh moment is when you're looking at the actual size of the container. The shauwie prefers something that's wide the depth. I think wits and Tim's every 'cause I quite shallow roots is lot more important than death. So if you've actually got a window sill and Nakane window box onto it. That's going to be perfect to grow things like mint on a bit of lemon balm. That's really interesting because you have very true, actually. Yeah. You do tend to find I've just been reporting some mint in the guard nationally and the routes tend to after season ten to start circling around don't they they don't go that deep. So that's a really good point another thing. When you when you reporting something, especially when you're reporting, so perennial or something if the roots kind of as you described going around the site something that you can actually do is prune off the roots all of them, but give the roots prune, and that's just going to help contain the within the Paul them, not bound, and it also helps control the size of the plots. Another thing, I would recommend brilliant. Well, that's a load of top tips there for people to put into action. I want to know, Hugh, you're obviously a food growing, man. But do you have any non edible house plants, or are you a you is just not you're seen? It isn't really my. We actually live in a really is a three hundred year old Welsh cottage on the balls Rover half metoo thick on the windows a fairly small, so we kind of limited. So at the moment on my windowsills. I've got things like the squash and tomorrow see things coming through in the past. Yes, I've grown things like dreams or well pedagogy. There's there's a fun. I kind of got fed up of the smell those on the best in terms of sent in my opinion. I think that's that one some people love the smell it to me. It's most like metal. No. But then when I was younger, I was fascinated about trying to grow things for supermarkets. So if I could get a mongo seats, grow or Afrikaner, suits, grow or I receive in successful groom curious from not actual harvestable curious, but for getting the plants they grew up foot tool and Hudson's amazing relief. So I was in my bedroom unfortunate to window sills. And because it's an old house one of the benefits is actually quite deep. So that about forty centimeters deep space, even though they're not super white or I've got a lot of space to play with. So when I was younger my window seals in my bedroom would just be full of crazy experiments trying for apple sees lab. And sees all those kind of things take two things off the list of things that people like you. And I who obsessed with plazas children grow. Did you grow carrot tops? That's one. The I always used to cut off the top. Grow that. And did you grow a point up top those the those the ones I always think over speed very choice haven't been successful with the point type yet. It's it's actually harder than it looks. I'm back, and I definitely tried it. I don't know if I ever succeeded with the pineapple, I certainly grew law carrot tops over the years, but that's all back in. Now. I see that life a Pinterest people. You know, cutting getting the basis of celery and trying to grow things that really growing garlic and things like that. So it's very very in vogue. Isn't it again to do all that stuff? Does she straight me a bit seeing all of this? Because the kind of give you this promise that you're gonna get harvest format. That's how I feel like foods at home. His how you grow couch from coward job. And I'm like, yeah. You're just going to get some leaves. Device out there, isn't there? Because of course, as you say, you're not gonna I mean, the most basic grasp botany will tell you. You're not going to get a new carrier out of that carrot top. Exactly. But I think it's a nice. It's a nice thing to experiment with an even if you do try you're going to be on a seat learning curve, but you will learn about plants by doing that. I guess that's way. So something which which will work is actually if you have if you'll cutting upon yen's anew say, maybe a top introduces talked to four centimeters the in water, it might send up some green shoots which he can use like spring onion. So that's one thing which you could try. Well, I mean, anything you can do that gets you into contact plants, and experimenting is is can only be a good thing. Been really nice to talk. She he thanks so much for joining me today and happy growing unto you too. Thank you so much to find out more about Hugh and everything he does check out Jane Perron dot com way or find the show notes of this episode, including details of Hu's YouTube channel and his new book veg in one bed, and before we go I just wanted to bring you a little bit of an on the ledge solo on extra. I sold my Saracini uperior sees this week, and it was such an interesting process involving all kinds of things like washing up liquid and cold stratification that I thought you might like to come along and hear what I got up to. I haven't yet. So my Sarah senior PLO period. Stick the recorder while I do this. So you can see how this works because this is the perfect example of how some seeds have seed code that needs special attention to soften it up and get ready to so these jobs eat, and I'm just going to follow the instructions on the much one of these the glossy glossing run this is opaque, paper or Lopes. Pouring the seed into a small short blogs on just gonna for these Russians on here. So we've got to soak the seeds in warm purified water or rain water with a tiny spot washing up. Look good who should hope breakdown waxy coating. So let's get some washing up liquid this curve. This curve. Twenty sports event, which I won't do like that. And now I need to go get some rain water. Come with me to the garden if you will number right rain butts Ray Mordt about out here which can use to get a little bit of water. There are other empty because it's been so dry here. Get to this. Okay. Water's going in the season sitting there. I'll put this somewhere high. So nobody accidentally drinks it. But this is part one. So. Join me again once the seats of so I'm not sure how long these I think I'm gonna leave over night and see how they do. CC? It's a very chilly morning, and I've come outside because it's time to so why Saracini per furious, which would soaking overnight. Frost moon? Well, we'll fee. We'll he's wearing his leopard-print PJ's looking very stylish this morning. Okay to the protein shakes. It's a chimney one today. You can have to come in here. Get to coat coming in. Crowded. Her gone open day. So okay, I've got my curious which have been soaking overnight and the rest of the instructions tell me that I'm going to put these in some moist world drains Wagner Moscow soil place, the whole pot in polythene bag and cold stratified. Let's start off by getting some of the Spurs. Big around for it. Especially carnivorous plot compost here, which I'm going to use this job. There aren't many seats on but actually going to put these in quite a small pot because they're on enough room to really put them into a seat. Trae. He's done. Very agreed. But this chilly. Okay. Suitable pot. You. Needs to go the free. Soya's wise what's gonna to in your fridge, as you know, carnivorous plants don't Loy tap water. So they need to to rain. But wouldn't you only use rainwater for seed seven vote that country's problems with dumping off a fungal condition? So in this case, I'm going to use still water because that is pure, but it also doesn't contain the minimum that will call the problem to the plants so on. Going to take my seeds. I'm not quite sure how to get out of this water onto the soil. Just going to give them a. Drain and then pick out the rest of the seeds. Kennedy is I can let them go onto the surface of the compost. Don't lose any because I haven't got that many. Then they all coming out now. So they've been in this water with a tiny drop of washing liquid which is going to break down that seat coat and get them to germinate. All of them. So coach stratification this means that the seeds need appeared of cold in order to germinate. So they won't germinate and less if they're stuck in a room temperature room because they need that cold period to tell the seed it's time to start germinating. So these are getting into a plastic bag into the fridge and sit there for quite sometime. What does it say four to eight weeks? Okay. So I'm going to put a reminder on my phone that needs check them in a couple of weeks time. And then check again to off to that to see how doing on that point. They will then go to write window sill to germinate at around twenty two twenty four degrees centigrade, its germination takes one to three months and can be erotic. Oh, I hate it. When it says, it can be ready because drives me crazy. But anyway, we'll just have to be patient went. We. And then when he's transplant savings, and they got five true leaves? Okay. So these are looking good. I'm going to write a label because on being good this year labels. So Saracini of period and the date and wish me luck. We'll see what happens with these. Roll the funds. He having a lot nice load of sir seniors patching flies in the next few years. Other movies gone studying the sunspot, low down sunning himself as his word is very early on Sunday morning hit so quietly having a look around. Warm out here. It's good to see the points that I accidentally left out despite the frontiers, really cold night. My new seed Umberto shouldn't really been left out. But it seems to be okay. So dodged there. And my son Jews that I was telling me about previously. They're really looking very door will now with these tiny tiny tentacles covering leaves catching flies before long. No doubt. So that's it that wraps up Saracini. So for now, I will report back when I have some progress. To give his first, right? I'm not sure I made it quite clear in that audio that the surface sewing of Sarah Syed is is important so surface. So just means so them on the surface don't have any soil on top. Which is exactly what I did for those Saracini is they need light to germinate. So if you see surface. So that's what it means. 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Episode 68: preparing your houseplants for winter

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Episode 68: preparing your houseplants for winter

"Hello. It's Jane Perrone your host, and this is on the ledge forecast. And this week, we're doing the house plunge shuffling. If you're not particularly familiar with this little dance is the thing you do when you've got too many house plants spread around your outside space to fit in your inside space. We generally get up to this activity when our other family members aren't looking. So they don't realize quite how big collection has got. But we're shoving ponts on shelves hanging them from ceilings covering every available surface. Just to make sure that all our precious house plants come in from the code four wintertime in this week's episode. I'm giving you a little insight into how I get houseplants ready for winter and talking to Tommy Tonsberg who is rather legendary for his ever-growing house plant collection to find out exactly how he gets his house plants through the harsh Norwegian winter, thanks to everyone who said how much they enjoy trailing plan. Sweet last week, seven mini episodes covering those icon ick trailing plants from string of pulse to string of hearts and welcome to the podcast. If you're a newbie of had a lot of new followers on social media this week. Thanks to a lovely mentioned by Jamie's jungle, and I love to also thank my new patriots of Scribner's, Andy, Al Emma, Cathy and Tina, they've all pledged five dollars or more month to become an legend and access exclusive content that you won't find anywhere else. Thank you also to Michaela and Jenny who gave a one off donation on code dash fi dot com. If you're interested in finding out more about these ways of supporting the show head on over to Jane Perron dot com where you'll find all details. But you know, what one of the best ways of supporting the show is by leaving review on your pod app of choice. I just love to hear from listeners about what they think of the show and this helps other people to find the show. Oh and linkup with our lovely community of house plant fans and speaking of that community. Are you a member of house plant fans on the ledge yet? Please do head on over to Facebook. Once you've had listen to join this group because we're a lovely friendly welcoming bunch, and we like nothing better than a gnarly plan Taiji or somebody with a sickly plant to help out when you join there's a couple of questions you need to answer, which just helped me to know that you're not a bought horse somebody who's going to be spamming the group. So please do onto those questions because I can't let you into the group unless you do that. If you've got an Aquarius, you can get in touch with me. And I've also got two lovely moderators on the group as well who are happy to help. And they of a lovely Neff annual and Amy thanks so much for them for helping me manage this group. It's really easy group to manage because there's so little drama which makes it a delight to be in. But it's good to have them on board to help me out. Many many if you've been asking for vice on bringing house plants in from the outside for the oncoming winter well here in the northern hemisphere anyway, and you also been asking about how to prepare plants that are already inside for a dormant period. And so this is something I felt I had to cover in this podcast, do go back and have a listen to episode eighteen of the podcast which came out in September last year, which is all about preparing cacti. And so he'll specifically for winter that episode worth listening to if you do have a big collection. And of course, it's going to be different for every plant because there are some plants whose main season of growth happens during the wintertime, so we're generalizing here. But I hope this will give you a basic guide to what you need to do. So let's start with a little bit of a practical. I'm gonna head out and pick up a house plant the needs to come back into the house and show you. Exactly what I. So here I am with the plant that's being outdoors all summer, and I thought I'd just run you through what I do when I'm bringing a house plant inside. This happens to be a coleus that's been sitting outside on my patio all summer long, and it's beginning, really big bushy. Now, it's time for it to come inside. So that I can get it through the wintertime and then get back outside next summer. So what am I going to do? Well, the first thing that I would do with a plot. Like, this is how the Foti age and see if it needs a bit of a trim because Cody has a tendency to flower hours, all well, somebody would like them that kind of pale blue, but their best removed really at this time of year. So I'm gonna take the flowers that are on here. And I'm also going to reduce the overall size of the plot. Now, this is tempting to is tempting when you go to plan this looking lush, and lovely. She just think, oh, well, I'm gonna keep this lease kid exactly as it is. But when you bring in that plan inside from the outside, the light levels are going to drop quite dramatically. So it's really important think about how that's going to affect the plant and the main way is that plots going to struggle to support huge amounts of foliage in a much reduced light situation. So on going to be brutal. I'm gonna cut this clump right back. In the case of this coleus it will bounce back without -solutely, no problem. So if you go to plot, but is fairly quick to growth up. Then you shouldn't have a problem. If you're worried that you can do this in stages and just see how the plant reacts, but I'm gonna go straight in there and cut this bag by about a third to a half. I would say and as always with these cuttings on thinking to turn them into new plants. So I'm just gonna take off just above a leaf node where the leaf stem joins the main stem leaf stems also known as Petiot where joins the main stem on just gonna snip just above to take my prunings off, which some which will turn into cuttings is gonna look quite brutal. A mean, but it's really going to help this Plunkett through the window periods. So it's all good wall on. Doing this. I'm used to having a really good look at the leaves. Are there any signs of pass on here? It could be it could be spider mites. Now, what are the main signs of spy demise that you'll be aware of? Well, you won't probably see the mice selves. You're probably either see too grainy stuff which looks like tiny tiny tiny grains of sugar also on the back of the lease. Or you might see some webbing, and that will be mainly on the reverse side of the lease. If you just look at the plant and runny ROY over the top surface. You probably won't see them a tool. Aphids can also be gathered around particularly around new growth. So check for all of those things if you find anything in the web, if it's all spider mites. Then the best thing to do is to isolate that plumbing green. So I don't let it be surrounded, but other plants that might get infected and before you bring it in make sure that you want all those leaves down with a damp cloth to remove the spider mites. All the aphids if you've got something like an insect Seidl. So that you can use a spray do that. You can also use something like SP plant invigorates spray, which will help to give the plant a bit of a boost. And also get rid of those pests, but remember not all pests occur at the level of the leaves. So what you also need to do. Once he cleared away. Any dad leaves or leaves that are wilting and not really looking. Good shape is also have a look. Below the surface. So I'm gonna take this plant out of its part, and how going long below the surface because those creatures can decide to hitchhike Marut's, this gives me chance to see if it's terribly terribly pot bound this one isn't too bad. Actually, it's been ported up regularly. And it's looking ok appointees and sound tiling done what you can hear probably hear the sound of tiles being cut in the background that's life going on. But that's okay. So looking at this plot is not to pop bound. It's a bit of a dollar Murphy's port bound because then is now good time to report in the case of a plant that might be continuing to grow lots over the winter. I'd say you could report, but in the case of this plant, if it was really bound, I would just trim those routes and delay reporting until springtime look for any slugs snails root mealybugs or other things that you might be concerned about finding. Under the surface. If you find them, then you might want to go to the extent of washing all the compost off and reporting in fresh compost. If you do that make sure the compost is absolutely soaking wet because it will take the plot an awfully long time to dry out. And if your reporting characters such and make sure the compost is completely dry. This one is looking fine. So it's going to go back in his pot. The other thing you can do if something's a bit pot bound. But isn't able to be reported is top dress. And this is good for big containers. You can just scrape away the top few centimeters of old compost and replaced with fresh houseplant potting mix and this gives the plot a bit of a boost without having to be reported. So this law is now looking a little bit threat Bahir, but this will produce means it stays nice compact shape during the wintertime, and I'm happy that it hasn't gone pest on it, and it can come into the house without causing any. Major problems and say, these lovely cuttings will be going into water and are probably just keep immortal. Most of the wintertime, and let them root for putting up in the springtime so that makes life nice and easy. And of course, if the monoploy really suffers I will have these cuttings as a backup what I will do with these cuttings, though is trim the stems back to the nearest node because that's where the roots will from. So then we go we've got a nice house plant ready to come inside and be welcomed back into the fold and aren't gonna pint of lease. We all ready to go onto the compost teeth or they going to have to be ditched. Back to the course. Now, if you think winters all Hauch where you live has some sympathy told me Tonsberg who lives in Norway. I way he's found that house plants can freeze in their posts on the inside of a window ledge. Yes, he gets that cold. I wanted to talk to tell me about his ever-growing house punk collection. And how the heck he's going to keep all of those dozens if not hundreds of plots happy through the colder months of the year. The my name is Tommy tons again. I'm no Wegrzyn Gardner and houseplants said fanatic. I'm very interested in in house. Punks I run a small small nursery producing perennial plants basis. Perennials here. No way with my partner. And we also have an open garden and a web show, but we sell Gordon stuff as well. As give talks and write books and articles about plants and gardening. You one busy, man. Tell me about the house phones though, which is obviously our focus here. Every time. I see you on Twitter you'll saying I've just had another delivery or I've just been big up some Morehouse bonds. So I'm thinking, this is a fast growing collection. You have. Yes, it is. It has grown a bit foster than I had sort of. Thoughts. I think my interest in gardening sort of started with the house plants many many years ago, I think my grandmother bought me an orchid, and then it just went from there. And I go interested in Hoyas because people I worked within the garden center, they collected Hoyas and from there the collection just grew. And I've had a few years of because when we moved to. To our house that we live in. Now, we didn't quite know how the conditions were. And we had a really really. Cold winter, an almost mine tie collection froze in the window sills. They will die. And then I understand that the part was actually frozen because the so bad. Wow. So you living in Noah's you do you have to contend with some fairly extreme conditions. Yeah. Wow. Well, that's I'm sure you're going to in that case give us spare to give us. Some good tips on getting your house long collection through the winter months. So what are your summers? Like, do you do the thing that people do of moving house plants outside your summers? Good enough that you can do that. Yes. They are some as usually quite warm here where we live in the east country. So they can get up to twenty thirty degrees in the summer easily. So a lot of our house plants we give a like a summer vacation outside just to give them a bit of extra boost because it's darker insights, it's nice to get out in the lights and those rule back inside your house now though because. It's well here in the UK. Anyway, we've had a few frosty nights now. So it's that time already that winter is round the corner. Yeah, we've had trust as well. So I started moving a few of them in earlier pretend to once I the one more tender and then. The ones who can take a bit low temperatures with photo of this Dylan transitions they're outside in the daytime and getting moved inside joined the night just until we can find out where to actually put them because we're having a bit of a space situation the moments. I like the way you put that I'm sure lots of my listeners can sympathize with that me too. I've got lots of plants in my shed. I'm thinking these are gonna come inside soon. I'm not sure where they going. Yeah. It's it is an issue. What's your procedure? When you've got a plan this been outside. Do you? Do you do anything special? When you bring it inside mostly. I just try to check it really really good for pests because I don't want to bring any of them into the house and aphids since stuff is easy to care for. But if I get mealybugs or spider mites, it can be a real pain if you have a big collection. So I. Tried to check them really really good. That's basically what I do before. I take them in does that checking kind of involved taking things out of parts or just lifting leaves or how intensive do you get on the on the on the checking lift them sometimes just to see if they have a fit some route media bugs on the route. But mostly it's about checking leaves and looking in corners where I know that mealybugs can hide and stuff like that. So it's just a thorough. Check really mostly that fine. But do you have issues with I sometimes find the other day, I was looking at a plant, and I suddenly realized as a small snail living among the lead snails here like will climb into inside the bottom of pop and just sit there, and then you'll have a thing where you you can't understand. Why you come down in the morning, and that there's holes in the lead. And you thinking where's it coming from? And it's a slug this secreted itself in the bottom of the pot. This kind of coming out of nighttime adventures, which is somewhat alarming exactly that happens here as well. We have some plants that I take in we have in the in the living room or the other room. So the house, but then I also have small plant room in the basement that a bit cooler, and that's the way the mall, cooler growing stuff can go during the winter. And there we we find telltale slimy trails of slugs of. Floor. Yeah. Yes. I mean, I kind of do the slug in the snow because they are amazing survivors, they amazing creatures the more you understand about the more kooky. They are really. But yeah, I just don't want them on my house parts. Agree. And what about those plants that you've brought them inside your winters by the sound of it are quite severe. And as you say your window sills can get pretty frozen. Well, how do you does it just is it just a case of like walking up heating, or how do you keep those kind of house plants happy particularly things I'm thinking like sort of arrowheads of things like on theorems allocations things how on earth. Do you? Keep those happy inside in the winter when you've got to have your heating turned up high. Yeah. You have to make sure that it's warm enough. That was a problem before because we went to work, and then temperature drop when we weren't here. But now, we work from home. So we can make sure that the temperature is up. But we also need a we have a humidifier to help. So the the the ad doesn't get to dry a lot of them will do fine. But it's just some of them. It's nice to give a bit of extra. Extre humidity to them, and then our windows, are we still have very old window. So there's a draft the comes in. And that's what freezes the puts. So when winter comes. I put bits of cotton wool in between. 'cause we have double double, glazed windows, open them. And then I put cotton woolen there in between the bottom of the windows, and then that helps to insulate. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's yeah. That the dross can be a very few house plants that kind of almost actively like drafts, but most house plans, it's not a good scenario for them. I thinking of may be anyone's I think of that really would be okay. Withdrawal would be things like aspe- districts and. Maybe cost Royal plump fats here Japonica would be okay and dross, I. And maybe I saw really lovely spa. Is it spun Maniere in a in a old very old country house and somebody said to me. Oh, yes. This is a great plot for old drafty country houses, it really really likes jobs, and I guess. That's indicates to us the difference between Victorian times and now in that. Plus, we choose, you know, lots of the plants we have as house plants now would be in the, you know, the Glock heated glasshouse, not in your house. So. Yeah. And do you do you are they going to be a few casualties through the winter? Do you expect to lose a few plots or? Got it so carefully Choon now that you'll you'll plants will come through. Okay. No. You always lose things. I guess even in summer on an even in winter, especially so there are things that will die either for. Forgetting to cold for them to like or over watering, which can be a big problem when it's so cold, they don't drink enough water. So I tried to be very careful with my will change machine this time of year. But we do loose stuff. We always lose lose things. I mentioned the climate in the wintertime is is pretty severe. I'm guessing you get a lot more snow than I do here in the UK and possibly for few weeks, you'll kind of not exactly stranded inside. But you're you're going outside is kind of a not of you not going to be in your garden Pottering about during the month of January and February presume does that mean the house plants sort of a really important survival belt during those months when you you need some greenery ear? They offer me definitely because I I lived forgotten implants, basically, so and the ground will freeze around. Beginning middle of November. And then you can't get a Spade in until April and the snow will come sometime in December and stay until the middle of March beginning of April. So when you look out the window, it's only whites, but if you can surround yourself in a green jungle, it feels the bit better in the way, I wonder whether that's preferable to kind of what we get here, which is months of kind of everything's just gray. Here. It's quite well, quite welcome. Because suddenly everything looks beautiful in pristine. Whereas most of the winter in the UK is kind of like just grey soggy, muddy mess. Snow help to Brighton everything. Because before the snow comes you think, oh, it's so dark because the light hours are so much less also. And then the soon as the snow comes even the moon will sort of like everything so it seems a lot lighter outside. But with those short days does that mean you have to provide any additional lighting for your house plant this? Well, we do for some of them some of them do or right without and if they get to leggy, I'll cut them back in spring when I report them and and the light returns, but I also supply extra lights to those that I think needed and also because we run out the window sills for all of them. I have some shelves in the house as well with extra lighting. So some live under extra lighting all winter. Because that the only like they get how much time a week geese spend, tending these houseplants and annoyed. Annoyed that scary. Maybe I should truck kids. I usually I have like. Spend maybe call day or something usually call it health plan Fridays because things have come down with the business. So I can spend part of the morning just checking the watering checking that their rights ident- think it's more than maybe half a day. A couple of hours. It depends on how much today they need. Right. So in a way, I suppose during the winter, probably it's less time in the sense that lots of things aren't going to be requiring as much as much more time in that things might be struggling bit more might need a bit more, pruning, a think. So also in summer can usually water almost everything, and I know that they'll need water, but come winter will have to check, but my finger in the soil and check every pots in case it still what? So I don't over will to them. So takes more time in winter. And do you any temporary dishes to you? Response in winter in terms of things like I dunno. I'm really rather hippie Astrum or paper white narcissi you into those those Bobst that tend to bloom around Christmas time, or if you got enough house plants to be going on with. No, we do by a few of those because it's nice out of the season. I guess to get something in that. That will brighten up a bit more during that time of year because most of my house plants will be green in winter. So it's nice to get something in with a bit of color. So either the Morillas or the white narcissus Ohio since which is the big thing for Christmas around here. Okay. What Norwegians like having highest Christmas particular? That's when we have them and not now garden since spring. Right. Right. As you say, you can imagine that's a delightful things have the scent and color when everything outside is is so frozen. And what about the I mean is there a big trade in in the classic poinsettias in Norway to what Christmas plans to people by that. Or? Yeah. Point set here is really really big big thing. And it's also produced a lot in this country as well so loads of point set years in different colors as well as red and white, and then there's the Saliers impulse that big the Morillas sick Lamon the bigger ones. They're always around for Christmas. We have some begonias. What else I think that's mainly like the traditional Christmas? House plants and apart from those Christmas plans house points, will you continue buying house plants during the the winter or g kind of ease of adding GIO collection. When it's so cold. That's a very difficult question because a couple of months ago, I thought well, I have everything I want. Now, everything I need. So we'll be to buy anything more. And then you go to garden center, something that's new I've never seen that before. Or you go to one of those dangerous websites and. Yes. So dangerous order everything you thought you didn't need that. You've never seen before realize you really have to have. So what are the latest unsexy est? Additions your house plunk Latian? What have you been importing from far away all a big shipment from Thailand the other day? And there was lots of nice and piper species climbed with nice leaves. And then philodendron Barikot some which very very lovely leaves. And is your partner equally as crazy about house plots as you are. Starting to because in the beginning. It was oh another one or I don't think you should get anymore. But I think he gave up at some point. But. But now he sees older. New interesting stuff. I think he's he gets more into them. Oh, that's that's a relief because you don't want. It you domestic rows over the the number of houseplants, my mom just arrived for a visit after being she lives in Canada. And she came for visit. And she said, oh, you've got to look we'll how sponsor and you had the last time. I was here in the spring. I was like, oh, yeah. You probably noticing it more than I do. But yes. So my collection is going to and. Yes. And it's that kind of look of why do you need all these plants, and you just can't really explain it? But I think you have to kind of just hopefully over time you can show people can learn the BT these things and unappreciated. But yeah, I think I think the collective spirit is is is good and strong in both of us by the sound of it. Yeah. Yeah. It's dangerous. But it's also quite fun fun. And I think if you're gonna have an addiction this is quite cheap addiction, you know, plants aren't that expensive? If you into classic cars, or, you know, I don't know handbags or shoes that could get expensive whereas plants quite cheap and not a great deal of money to buy especially if you're doing doing lots of swamps, your Heuer's, then hey, popey, so all our friends of should be grateful that we're into. I think so and they're so easy to propagate. So you can so easily make more and give away to your friends or USA, swapping is half the fun. Isn't it really is another you? But whenever somebody comes to my house. They usually go away with some plants or some cuttings of something or other. So that's a nice feeling to be able to spread spread the love. It's actually happens here as well. Thanks so much to this week's guest. 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Episode 128: Monstera Mansion tour at RHS Wisley

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Episode 128: Monstera Mansion tour at RHS Wisley

"They love is in the air here out on the Ledge. That's love for your house. Lots of course. I'm Jane Perron the host of this hair show Your House Plant Guide and Mentor leading you gently by the ear through the jungle. That is the world of House plant care and in this week's show. I'm heading to wisely the famous rhs garden in sorry in the UK to Experience Their House. Block takeover firsthand. I answer questions about why fly on hibiscus and we meet listener amy. It's been busy on the Patriots. Seen we've got Maria or is it Mariah a new patron at the legend level and Ej and Ali who have joined as a super fans. Welcome to the three of you and thank you for supporting show and thank you to. Caroline for writing a lovely review on Apple. Podcasts telling me that on the ledge is her favourite horticultural podcast well. You have impeccable taste. Caroline thank you so much and I got a lovely message from Laura who sent me a picture of her newly rearranged plant area writing my sister-in-law got me the painting for my birthday this week aptly-named Venus I track so you're going to have to go to the show notes to see this picture. But it's an amazing picture of a Venus flytrap with eyeballs for traps. Laura you just won the house plant. Well that's amazing and you got a great collision plants there as well. So thank you for sending that through. I know won't Venus Trap. Laura you have a great sister. She oversee knows you well. And thanks to Charlie who wanted to respond to the knife episode one. Two three about the reference offer tetris. Burma. Charlie has been really helping me with this. One been experiments on plants at their work which is way above and beyond so. Thank you very much for that Charlie. And what they did was this. They tried getting the plants rother on the dry side. Then giving the plants extra water and monitoring them at every say to see the reaction and Lo and behold. They found that. The plants did develop the same markings that Ashley found on her plant. If you recall Ashley had got in touch to say that. She was finding these darker. Markings on the underside of her Rufford offer. Tetris per believes that's mini monster. And our that is very popular right now. I was wondering if this was normal. I speculated that it was some kind of a Dima in other words some damage being done by over watering a sudden rush of water into the cells causing them to burst so charlie rights I soaked the terra cotta pots at eight ten and twelve and by eight. Pm The leaf had the same markings. And I'll put a picture of the photos that Charlie sent in the show notes and they've awesome co workers if they seen this in any other species and no one had so charlie wants to hear for more view if anyone else has had this issue with rapid oh for tetris. Because looking at the photos they do look exactly the same. As Ashley's I'M GOING TO EXPERIMENT WITH MY PLANT. So if you've got a record offer don't mind it being a bit of a Guinea pig. Then try this same experiment with yours. It doesn't seem to cause any lasting damage in. This may just be the plants way of dealing with that burst of extra water up. Dude let me know if you've got any thoughts on this one it's fascinating to see how different plants react if you listen to episode one to six my joint podcasts. For the rhs gardening podcast. You've heard me talk about the house plant takeover at rhs Garden Wiz League. And I headed down there today to check it out in person and boy was impressed. I was lucky enough to get a tour around the already very busy glasshouse first thing in the morning the horns were already arriving with someone who was really involved in the planning of this incredible installation picture if you will Lost and abandoned Victorian House. That's been overrun by. Its dwellers the houseplants and this just heavily situated within the wonderfully large glasshouse Weasley. There are plants that we know and love as houseplants are going nuts. That's all I can say smashing two pieces all the usual rules of plant display and all the much better for it so without any further. Gee let's get inside that glasshouse. Talamona reform I Nicole House Garden Display House and managing US housing. So you must be pretty exciting right now because houseboats taking over this amazing space yet. We're really really excited to use this face and really encourage people to grow in there. So this is Intelligence plays three emphasize. I really encourage people to do that in those facing play. We know this traditional idea of having a having a she's having flaws in drafting they're not to the and what I love about this already having seen photos and peering through the archway that we're near now is a lot of us fall into track. Just having house plans in ports with the cashcall which is really quite boring. You'll showing off here. What you can do spend more bit more creative finessing going on and we can. Let's let's let's. Let's start moving because I wanted to point out something which is super interesting flaws. Who who it smells. Rookie May Karen fly which is a is pulling data On that right now. I'm going to see if I can Smith. Can I thought I will say to smell managed first thing. I can't get anything that I can smell. And soon as the sun in the morning doctrine it's most pungent good six foot tall and maybe it's very impressive pawn Yeah I look up at Aston. Unlike always one is attracted to upon. And then you can go and check it out exactly to welcome to the welcome to the monastery as we collectively mansion is that. Yeah so this has been a really fun project on our study room where we've got. Cacti playing chess and monster controlling the cat typing says this will be quite easily defined as it wants to copy or inspiration from since I put this on instagram. A few days ago so many people say I am so doing the little will be. Set as as pawns. And then you've got some sort of tool tired of the the king and the Queen looks also and as you say you could do that without too much work and then either side. You got the wonderful. I'm glad it's wrote-off so I can imagine a few people leaning over and trying to get cuttings off these variegated monsters They look like they've survived. Okay so far without too much there i. She's the skies into chess on got certain not rooting medium round to go. And they haven't been denuded people taking things too much so we could see as of yet. Yeah because this is such a desirable pond is one of those which is one coming in on especially these variegated styles nearly the exact same though slightly slightly different and yeah so the and the becoming very often they are indeed they are indeed the prices for these guys off ridiculous. Although I think he's starting to come down as necessary to produce so yeah hopefully I. I keep telling people hang on because the prices are coming down. I also want to talk about this cabinet of delights and it got here. This is a really good idea too because you can go to junk shop and pick up avenue like this last did we did. We went to charity shops. Oh secondhand but shaw. We've really plotted things off. All nations really. Well run wild to want to talk with me. Is the allocation Stingray as we thought but leaves the stingrays and the leaves in autumn. What Bacon so we not one of the little pigeon holes in the Death Knight old on could I guess you could do something about it up for a few months and then bring the changes a bit of fun to to how smokers I think he's also creative way is really is really worked with? Have you had a good reaction from people coming to visit? Have people been doing an orange? Yeah I think I think people really really enjoying it really I come out until the slayer. I find people saying Oh. It's not a good idea looking at their shoes or looking at the clock is like people coming around to other people and actually sharing the making sure that maybe Mrs Anything is one of those flavor. You really have to go around the time when loads of different angles get the appreciation of the display on. You very have attention to detail. Here's what which I love. I love the way the song that it is something about aerial roots of permanent which is kind of like a tapestry soil Same Cool. That's really nice touch to make it really feel like it is a real. I WANNA go look at this Is again you could get a coke a junk shop and make this yourself. I'm quite easily. And we've got a couple of a remnant yeah So go at Birmingham Oria. I think mobile queen is horrible Hong member conduct bars Yeah no I recognize that one. It's not the usual set. It's more of an unusual. Don't worry he's fine. Applaud names. Come and go my brain again. You've got a little side table with the same effect. Lots of Paul's pouring out about. How long does this pay to put together? This display Who stopped tooting. Tv was to build the entire display. So everything clue Jason with a background that to two weeks killed bizarre and pain and say and then we moved in with the plonked still really flaunting onto the whole process was to turn off replaces on yeah and see. What else do you go to see a point? I'll tell flew to criminal. Who says the over the bruise row go here? I didn't tell ninety s for that. Sabrina nights with the plow whites. Classic White Begonia Flowers. Rather lovely. Actually go in your to sell out the euro. Lesotho get real serious. Begona PHANTOM FORECAST. Who WILL BE Excited about that one and this pool of airports. That's awesome face. What's the brain that that's on? I two Hanyu bosses. What's Okay I don't try to just walk on the plan. Essentially Atlanta land Which is more of a trump coup We use that law in of nuclear from. If you wanted to invest in that many again you could create that home. All you could see something a little bit less Full or enlarge and make something similar. Yeah tell you could always knew his mouth these things in broad situation. And who shoes have you used to back zero court shoes? They read it from one of authorizes and the black ones were one manages are wholesome and I also one of my favorite. That would be start on above the far and it's the stock wound. Larry amounted to which we don't we little Caesar Carlton but it's a firm. Yeah that's really really nice and you've got the wonderful string of hearts Coming down all around it with such popular porn and so easy to grow That looks awesome too. And I'm glad see got some a never know whether to say quite views or I would say clavier correct by Americans somebody quite clearly specialist coming on the podcast. Talk about both what. I'm getting into those actually unexpectedly. Yeah I think them getting back into these retro delights so that stuff's great to see and I love his chair with a good on sort of a wooden chat with the the CLASSIC DIV plugs allocation polly in their dot is as well again. You could achieve some landscape fabric. Yes stapled in that club is a membrane on the and then fundamentally just as any other long save. I was just a fun. Little Fun idea behind the dining room. We says shady spot dining room the star this It's fun shade is not available. Quattro shave lovely yet in this area. The whole planet we really designed to have areas which shade son and we designed the flock to fit dot so context suffering coughing humid environment. More Humid love song which is really the case. Isn't it just my young or Varman to write poems because otherwise that's when Paul death is experience it's getting DC in here now. It's obviously really really popular coming up half term. I guess next week you'll be dealing with lots of poor people coming around. I read yeah. It's tough it's a different way for kids to interact with law alone Sunday. They'll just say rotten until just in fought to move immersive experience having all around you and you actually newman like And he really see colors. Textures and forms does really for us very good way of getting all sorts of people into into blocks not necessary. Just kids but Ozo- grand kids young adults. My grandpa live from people who had quotes in the gate them off in the eighties nineties in rediscovering things that they used to love. And we're moving into the venture Marianao overall but it's also wall which includes him Nazi various spied upon honor. That's not the most sexy but I just love affection relent to let today its own thing. I'm a saver Harra. But the the real star of the show here is this post-debate. Coveting Brahms Coveting Mania. We've been lovely pineapples as videos which is great because actually I guess it's a real as opposed to wooden pint. Korva came up with that awesome. I'm just not so powerful EMBROI- and you'll lie on it because that would long but it does he reminds me but really colorful wanted game and giving Roy vibrant tropical effect also joy. I two that no splendid ameliorative Clinton is originally from Trinidad absolutely awesome clarify. It's about a meter high right right and he still is having the mirror. Sort of thing. Lovely really nice okay. We're moving on to the kitchen now. Kitchen all sorts of crazy things going on we've got. We filled it with carnivorous plants. Plants which are insect eating glance and pin grid. Healers these through even goes from. Saracini is in there as well. And it's all mounted a fine layer moss. So it's not involve a law degree life as well. The unethical dependence penalties now. Some more easy skate hands on the kitchen really is the perfect place to put business. Because you are in if I even see environment and They'd be very happy to Yeah this is. This is three something. I bet sometimes put together though because it's all about the attention to detail here. Yes very much. And so he's the it does the how all ethos behind stays. We really wanted to lock. He's always been the speak. And so those finessing. Those details are so crucial. Ross blind there's are a proper primetime with some Sarah CD's again up three that a home. A point drainage heat nice and moist that would that would be a lovely play again. He could easily recreate. One of my favorite features on this area is these. Am so-so on the board. Like plates pig. But they look they look at. That really really cool. Okay let's move on through. The crowds now isn't via dining area now. I love the fact. He bought Z. Coming OUT OF THE STARTING JEB. This power peachy is a real. Gruza is a hugely vigorous having it Susan flaunted who sit around tell you. They're not one of them. Had A glossy widen foreign off his chair and ball champagne exploding mid mid flown but what I love most about. This area is over the taxes in the. I'm just going to say that is so cool. I got some kind of a this thing. Looks so cool and kind of like he's having a tantrum inexact chat and Yeah he's being contained by the By the bars which he's pretty under the shopping with the Coming out of it again. That's amazing that whoever came up with that was used to join my colleagues very. I need to stay pawns. Coming out of another chair basinas. It's just very cleverly done. Am I now when I'm sure my family very very small? If you'RE GONNA go gosh some of these older chazz have right. Salsa strange five is just in case yet. Esta goodbye and again you could just take one tiny element of this Spanish Moss. Coming down off the lighting. That would be one floor hall. This he could bring to your own home very much Is there anything else you points out? That would be quite nice in terms. Better drinks cabinet going exploding globe filled with old during to drink. But you could quite easily in your environment. Just not working together quite nicely. That is also. There are so many things here that I absolutely love. It's a real treat that what you've created here. How long has this in place for you to actually sir? We have Poll actually it's GonNa be a difference in the first and then you find plenty of time to recommend hearts squad without coming saying yeah. They'll be most photos in my show. Speaking come have a look at the look at the patriots as other things so hopefully that will get a really good sense. You and I think he's great to see a real a real iconic guard like we saw really kind of pushing the boundaries of with houseboats. And showing how you can just do something a bit different and not. Lovely and wonderful is C. Houseplants arranged impeccably on staging. It's really nice to have a totally different approach where you can see something really really different. Yeah he said one palm in here the most the most attention when you're seeing people look around. I'm wondering if it might be one of these really tall CACTI all the polls here should not right. It's fun it is. Let me just get the full. Always eating games okay. She probably ring. Game is a good size plan again. Really quick grow quite exciting another one. Which is the flavored right. grown from in And it's now about high and that's often about two years. Three hundred thirty four gritty. Cool things and do you take what you have close by the headcount of my collection. Two hundred sixty two house okay. Plus significant number of walking evasively start tending your own house clogs slide on a room basis day wise. I forgot about the help. I think pictures of this plus serum in the fall. Yeah that is awesome and again people often dense book for this one of the best places really to accommodate laws practice rooms on the ball. Absolutely loving the t would be great for the attention to the shower. Oh yes that's that's that's a great effect not long so handy for so many different effects. Yeah Yeah really really easy to accommodate in different ways on. You've got loads of. I guess it's that kind of like you're matching. The front with the baby is a baby tears. A yes hallway. Interesting funds relied not high humidity. Which shower down on the voice of Eastern on Earth? Even school that core football that it was not to them is him with DEG level. That's not swearing. Heavy heavy rainfall. Abu Looks Amazing. How much today maintenance to this? Insulation require. Everyone become out through check. It won't need washing a todd. Popped up so we spend about our least over. Today is quite intensive display. It's been great to do a real good challenge insurance and keeping you very major tactic say once again. Thank you very much and if you want to get a loan to wiz lead to see the amazing exhibition it's until the first of March. Just be warned this weekend. The Fifteenth Sixteenth February Twenty. Twenty is going to be a bit stormy here in the UK. And it's quite possible. That wisely will decide to shut. Its doors for safety reasons to do. Check before traveling if you are planning to go in the next few days all the details of the exhibition or on my website show notes Jane Perron Dot Com along with lots of wonderful photos and do checkout caloms own instagram which is plants with Callum. And now it's time to meet the listener. Lieu plenty people. My name is amy and I am so excited to be a listener. That you're meeting. I grew up in Ohio in the middle of nowhere in the United States but I am living in beautiful chaotic Mexico City for the last year and a half I've been here. Teaching English and accumulating lots and lots of house plants question want. There's a fun and who will your plans are about to burn scape so if there was a fire. This is a really tough question. I think Goodness I would have to choose a little baby. Chevelle area that I got a few months ago from the botanical garden at Guna M- which is the biggest university here in town. They have a program where you can adopt plants that are endangered out in the wild. So I have a various Tosa minor is so cute and fuzzy and the idea is maybe someday if I take really good care of him and maybe propagate new babies they might be planted again out in the wild either that or a golden barrel cactus. Because it's the same and we named him. Pecos bill because Pecos means pokey things get it like the American. You know the legendary figure literature Pecos Bill but PECO's fill pretty proud of that one got to give credit to my husband for that joke question to. What is your favorite episode of my favorite episode of the podcast? I mean it's tough to choose really. I was so excited when I found on the ledge. I listened to most of the catalog and like three days but I really enjoyed number one. Three about houseplants and sustainability specifically talked a lot about Peat Moss. Which is something that I knew nothing about. I'm not brave enough to try my hand at raising carnivorous plants. But I just found it really fascinating. An eye opening up one of three as as my top question. Three which Latin name do you see to impress people? I actually took a few years of Latin in high school. I don't know why the adults in my life let me study Latin instead of something more useful like for example Spanish so I use a lot of Latin names when describing my plants but I think unsurprisingly. I like a lot of people love to say monster era because it sounds like a spell from Harry Potter question fool crush chelation acid metabolism attention. I would say I mean all of the metabolism processes of plants are just fascinating and magical to me but gestation I think is the cooler of the two just based on what I get to experience on a day to day or I should say nate tonight basis. It's really cute that my plants get night. Sweats I didn't really understand what was happening for a few months earlier. This year I to do a lot of googling to figure out what was going on. But it's really fun to think of myself as a amateur amateur amateur biologist and. I think it's really beautiful in the morning. I get great morning Sun through an east facing window and the do drop. Serve the water. That accumulates from Cotija that took place overnight can be really beautiful question five. Would you rather spend two hundred pounds on a variegated monster? All Two hundred pounds on twenty interesting CACTI living in Mexico two hundred pounds will get me a lot more than twenty interesting CACTI so definitely option B. at or no variegated monster of course looks beautiful but I think the more the Merrier has been my philosophy towards house plants. I love that philosophy. That is very nice to hear from you. Amy And if you WANNA put yourself forward for me the lesson a- drop a line to on the Ledge podcast star g mail DOT COM. And now I've question of the week. Andy got in touch to ask about how to control white fly that has been heating up his Abyss Casse tree which is growing indoors. All yes why fly Latin name Tria Lavar. Od's Vapor Rory. Orem US impossible to say. Well I liked the glasshouse white. Fly that these little tiny fluttering things That get on the backs of your plant leaves and leave this horrible sticky stuff recycled honeydew then encouraged moldy sometimes get antsy coming in to feed on the Honeydew. August very messy. So what can you do about what fly on hibiscus well? You can't get sticky traps those yellow sticky traps that you might also use fungus GNATS They will be a good way of dealing with some of the problem but I also think you need to hear you plant with some kind of soap based INSECTICIDAL spray On just keep going with that. Put it the plot in the bar. If you can and just spray regularly to get rid of those infestations I have a lot of people. Vacuuming plants with a brush attachment to re remove white flight. Haven't tried it myself. Concrete Patriot but if you've got a plot with reasonably sturdy lease and that might be worth ago if you don't mind having a vacuum bag fool of white flight or actually sounds pretty. But I don't know pass that works for some people. Make sure generally order the applause in good health because why fly unlike any other past will target plants. That are stressed. So perhaps you hibiscus needs a bit of extra love. Check the soil. Make sure it's not rebound and just keep applying that insect decidal sipe spray until you don't see any more white fly for a good period of time because the life likely such that they will be hatching out over a period of days and weeks and they reproduce really really quickly. Numbers can go out of our control very quickly and you may think that you've solved the problem. 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Episode 95: airplants, cacti and succulents at the Chelsea flower show 2019

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Episode 95: airplants, cacti and succulents at the Chelsea flower show 2019

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The show who sold ish is to make you for completely an utterly in love with house plants. One of the great things about my job is that I get it go to places that other people just don't get to go and one of the big highlights of the year for me is the Chelsea flower show. I spent two days there this week on the Sunday and Monday before the show opened to the public. Yes. How lucky my working on a piece for the guardian who I right for, but also manage to fit in some interviews with house planty people, which I'm bringing you this week. We'll be hearing from two cactus grows and an air plaud- expert in this week's episode straight from the Chelsea flower show and also be bringing you, some more, general impressions of the show, including the role of house, plants that Chelsea, and I'll be altering question about a pilot with a police chief, thanks to my new patriot supporters this week, Laura, Rachel, drew Sally, and crab lady. Thanks to all of you for committing to. 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But if there's something you'd like me to tackle in the show, then I'd love to hear what that is, as I start planning for the rest of the year. So drop me a line to on the ledge podcast, gmaiLcom and tell me what topics you want to know about. I'm hoping to have an episode on pepperoni is coming up. Also, the long awaited spider plants episode will becoming but if there's any other plaza eat, particularly, like me to cover then do let me know. And I will add it to my list, because many of the episodes that I put out all inspired by listener ideas, because you guys are full of great thoughts. So please share your ideas with me. And you never know you might be hearing that idea brought to life on, on the ledge podcast before you know, it also shout out this week to mine. Listeners in Canada. I realized recently that there's another podcast in Canada called on the ledge, and I think it's politics, one, I was not too confusing for you, having to podcasts could on the ledge the other ones produced by CBC radio. And it's the scribe does a weekly CBC podcast, that makes Cisco and politics personal. I'm not sure what the vent diagram of people who listen to both podcasts called on the ledge is, but I would love to know if that applies to any of you, but I've noticed that not many of you have left a review on apple podcasts or indeed, anywhere else. So come on Canadian listeners, please frontal up and leave a review for on the ledge. I know you're out that all you Canadians. So go on do me a favor and leave me review. The Joseph flower show, what is it? Where is it? What is it about? Well, I guess it's probably one of the world's best known flower shows, partly because it's been around for a very, very long time over a hundred years and takes place in a very prestigious part of London in Chelsea the Chelsea hospital, which is home to lots of retired veterans. And this is really the show that brings together the criminal Krim of British horticulture to celebrate all things plants. The main show gardens outside. Well, there aren't many houseplants on display there. But go into the great Providian and the place is absolutely packed with amazing stands from nurseries from all around the UK, and here is really where the house plant aficionado can get your fix. I'd love to suggest to the RHS that they grouped together all of the indoor plants stands together. So that you can see them on wandering around if your house plot enthusiast, you can see everything together, I will suggest that to them because otherwise, you have to spend the whole time crossing this huge enormous white tent. That is the great pavilion, didn't how big it is. But it's it's flipping enormous. I can tell you looking for the relevant stands that you want to see and there are quite a few that all relevant for us. House plant lovers. I'm an is to speak to three nursery people for this episode. I we're going to start out with a chat with the lovely Andy of Andy's air plants. Now, if you listen closely to one lead you may have heard Andy mentioned before because James Wong and rob stock Vits two of our former guests are both fans and of four plants from him in the past. So it was wonderful to see and these I ever display at Chelsea and boy was gorgeous. Check out my show notes Jane Perron dot com. Some pictures, I wanted to find out for Mandy, why he loves these plants and what it takes to bring a beautiful. Display like this to Chelsea. Hello, my name's Andy from Penzance in Cornwall, not grow eggplants, and vermilion ads. This is my first year at Chelsea flower show. Create this lovely display. Upright branches covered in epi Feis, the displays completely made up of members of the for media family and the true effluence, which are the genus Lancia upon the branches low it down on the branches. We've got a general of in the Burmese family, the near jelly is. Burji is an acne is a known on the ground here. We've got the terrestrial members of the family, which is years, and, and kiss and Dietrich Honey, as and a few other things, I think you're on the planet by saying it's lovely, and they'd because is, is more than lovely. I just want to climb in there and lie down and have a nice rest because looks beautiful and. It's I'm going to say it's not really good. Because the color of plants is, is this wonderful suvery of glaucous feel to tell us why why are haunts like how all what, what is the uptaken they've got to doubt to their vitamin that makes them like that? Eggplants in the wild just say the whole immediate family is south and Central America, and the southern states of America, and they fit a real niche in the wall by growing on of appliance, which is what would fight means. And the highly specialized plants, and they grow by without any roots in the soil, the roots on these plants are only for attaching to a surface, which can be a tree or cliff face. Or they even grow on the roofs of houses, pylons, even and things like that, because they have a wind-borne seed look down the line seed, so highly acted plants. They survive on very low nutrients. The nutrients that they get from rainwater missed. And they have a special type of synthesis, as well Webuye the stem artery closed up during the day, and they release the gases created by Simpson's overnight. Is that the legendary crash relation as is saying? It doesn't it. Yeah. That's right. Any clever when I say just enjoy it. Well, that's a good skill to have isn't it to be able to do that. So that you are to, you know. Let's be absolutely key to their survival yet. They're very unique world. Incredible things you say all the colors, the different shades the textures that, just the most wonderful plants. They really are incredible things. Must be happy that everyone we're not suddenly in the last few years, airplanes has gone from going from zero to hero, haven't they are thinking these there was this idea that all their these clients, you can just stick on a rock. They're kind of half dead and you don't need them. Now, we've got a whole new understanding or the general public of, of how these plants work and how they are is a good thing for you. Yeah. I won't do promote horticulture botany gardening and growing plants as a hobby an interest for people and airplanes. There are a little bit more accessible now. And you can, you can get hold of them. They're highly collectible. Once she moss to grow in, once you get the gist of growing them, which is, basically good light levels, and regular missing and ammendment and keys in the nine their loans. You know, you can start growing more than there's always something new there. You've got to Lancia's that change color, scented flowers, all difficult flowers that just and asleep. Interesting. Go wrong with them in terms of the circulation, they get them wet, and then they're kind of left wets and not allowed to draw out there for sets in. It's not one of the main people that is absolutely correct. The most of these silver ones some of the really common. I they want my quick drying. They don't wanna be dunked. You know, they don't water sitting in the rosettes all day long. The differences is most of them are what we call are fitted growing, which is drawing growing, and they liked that wetting and drying between between watering. They wanna try out completely and the other type is the Mesic growing, and they're the more green species, and they can stay wet for longer. So, for instance, some of the silver ones advice on cacti and desert's and the moisture, they get the ju- Evaporating in the morning and the humidity goes up a little bit overnight. And then again. Cooked during the day. Whereas the Mesic ones are more sort of cloud forest plans all they come from lower down in the canopies, like, for instance, Bo certain, which are growing in the in the in Florida in swamps, so you can see this. This is really important when you're buying an epilogue to know what you've got gone in the year you thought carriage, it's going to be slightly different for device horri-. That's the where you know, good labeling comes in. Research. When you buy something. Specialist nursery. Yeah. Yeah. And do you. So what's your customer base of you sell smell order around the UK arm and desire plans on a huge range in the collection on a very good range for sale as well? And I really defies because I've got the experience of growing them successfully in, in my greenhouse down down in more. Yeah. And how did this have you been loving these since you were little or is this did you do what any university or how do you come study with the RHS? And I've been a king, I've been working governor for the last twenty years, and very king various clones, really. And I've seen come across the plans because I'm into with unusual an interest implants relate, I bought a few decades ago, and then a few more of killed a few, you know, in succeeded with a few and the collection is just grown. I find myself more and more interested in, I mean. Of the genus, Lancia this nearly seven hundred species, and this hybrids manmade or natural Hoy Brits. So there's just an endless amount of clones, who is coming across new ones, and there'll be new ones out there in the wall was world, and you've got to be displayed on these branches. Is that how you recommend displaying Lonzo because if you look on Instagram, there are myriad, pictures, flaunts all kinds of crazy. Displays is for you. Is this the alternate web doing it? Or is it just questions soil? It's a question of style. Really the first ones I put them on lovely ornamental bits of driftwood. And but now the collection has grown to number hundreds of species, generally with the tha Lancia just hang on a bit wire. Yeah. Yeah, I guess when you when you gets really large, then you've got to, you know, but I guess, you know, when I went to see sack of, it's in a previous episode of the podcast, and I believe he's only your customers. He has a lovely branch displaying, a set of challenges and it really look great. You're not can see how the benefit of having all in one place. We can keep an eye on them and keep them happy. You're not setting together. And also, it's kind of. Echoing how we might be growing in the world. Get a kick out. Some people want to display them in kind of very modernist, Royal minimalist way, I guess, that's the join the that they can be adapted to different settings. Tell me a little bit about the pupil years, and the is because these possibly little bit less. Well, no. But they are also minister here, here ring yon. That's just a wonderful looking plants punk rock of the media world Ken like these terrestrial dressed real ones Askar at terrestrial media. It's basically plants. A few of them are hardly in the UK, especially the PU years. Some of the periods are quite hardy, Dicky's and appears. They're very, very prickly loans. And some of the hybrids of fantastic names, snag tooth and jewels and things this, they're generally hearts, get hold off. Which is which is makes the, the more sorta. Well, yes, something that's going to be Ray. Everyone wants one really be gorgeous play. I really go. This unday will. Time comes out. We will give you a cheer, but it's one four and this is your first Chelsea to come back this year. Every year. A level of shows we'll have a really good day. I hope you get lots of people going by and wondering your amazing display and. Be back on the show for full episodes on their policies. Coming up shortly, I speak to, to expert cactus grows at Chelsea, but first, let's hear from the second of this week's sponsors this week's on the ledges supported by growth technology, the nutrient company that helps your house plants thrive. If you want to keep all kids in tiptop condition, grow technology is there to help they're all kid focused balloon can help you produce brighter long lasting flowers while autofocus grows formulated to provide all the nutrients needed, for healthier, more vigorous, plants, all use there or kick missed to spray roots undies targeting phony feed, and keep humidity up around your plants. And when it comes time for reporting orchid focus reporting mix contains the perfect balance between moisture retention and air ration- with graded bark, and blended fiber chips. Visit growth. Technology's website, fungus dash on dash plants dot com for loads of great advice on taking care of orchids and other house pots, you'll find growth technologies products available online, and in many good garden enters nurseries across the UK. So choose growth technology for healthy happy house plants. Now it's time to get back to the Chelsea flower show on, like, nothing more than looking at gorgeous display of cacti and succulents. And there were two stands which I just had to visit. The first is Craig house cacti run by business partners, stand Griffin and Vicky Newman from West Brom JR. In the U K, and they are multi award winning cactus growers who stand out from the crowd in the beautiful, bespoke, cactus themed outfits. They have a different one every year for Chelsea. So I was delighted to catch up with them at this year's show. And of course, also get to see the delightful Peruggia whereas iae, that is called popsy. Forget you Kardashians you kylie's and you Tom cruises when it comes to celebrities like celebrities with spines, and that's why I love pop. See the cactus. I'm became from cried house Cup tie, Ricky, I'm so glad that you've got the star of the show, popsy Perot DEA in this in not quite incentive that wonderful cactus is always always comes with you to shows more often than not. More. Yet he's to be more than last weekend. And now she's to catch up on to tell say I just love your idea. The characters can be a celebrity. I think that's, that's really the ultimate kind of celebrity cactus. You've got a beautiful display. Here's a really nice big standard this year. And there are so many things are catching my eye. I'm loving those huge you forbid in gains garter back there. How do you keep him so straight? Because my one just doesn't wanna stay straight to Egypt is a natural growth thing, and it's got lights, then it will maintain the straightness. Sometimes, I will the reason to not be condoned. There's giving water as well through the summer that Keeton strike because you got remember the waters, got to go right from the bottom up to the top the toll punts site. These phobias are hugely popular on them, seeing them, absolutely everywhere. But I imagine. Nd that variegated one is required. A rarity guys one is on usual. And they, they all use more now, especially for the structure of them. Yes, they used in apartments, especially longer. Think that beckons. So my manager for long as I've got lights again, they all need the lights. They are usual very gated one or they're absolutely beautiful. You've, you've really got a really nice display of the array of different plans, that cut tie and succulents can family embraces. It's really lovely try to show different things. Yes, not just know what everybody associates cactus. Teaches degreen exert lots of different structures obvious. Sorry about this punked here. I was going to say that was a looks a little bit like silver school, but it's not is leafy plant. It does not like Ciller way, salty Silla. She said she. It's, it's treated, exactly the same as it is killer, clowns ROY flowers, so tiny. And it's aboard that will keep spreading Royal as though you're an east quite rare. Is that? Usual wave not having not this year. We managed to get some bulbs. They are unusual, not seeing about raising, and when it comes to color, we've got the beautiful, beautiful flowering, cacti here. Some of these just the day glo, orange. It is very vibrant. Do you have you had any Bs coming in and enjoying the flowers not enough? Your glasses. Communicate them out. Okay. Well, it's, it's a really good display. I think people wonder how to get cacti flower. Is it a maturity thing? Do they need to get your certain size? Or is it just won't care? Roy waken flour them. Well, four five years old, and Sade, but you must water go south in once a week from March to October, Joey, the clocks from terrorism art, absolutely nothing. If you give them any war to them, you will stop and flowering, and they also need a good seed through the summer, but not favored by many bro of proper cactus fade. Very, very high. In tash, try Salomon slicing magnesium that these hats. Absolutely. No. I'm not the caterer. And once you got the flurry that is. In your flower. They will flower. Yes. Got for me is a great joy, the flowers, don't necessarily individually loss for long, but you get such a gorgeous display. It's a such when a cat. Spouse Kate in quite a few weeks. Also learn flower overnight. There are a lot that were keep flowering in two three weeks. Even some of the Senate. There isn't a capcity centers. There's not too many percentage cut spouse, most, I'm just thinking, I'm thinking of actually is. Or I'm ex equinoxes sub Denny, don't which smell like to me. It's washing powder. I've got the smell was just just takes not. Laundry. Yes. Nights overnights. What you have to be through the night to smell because, that's when it flowers, instead, you gotta get up in the middle of the night, cat swollen, dedication liked to say. Well, it's one term Vicki and good luck for this week or hope you get a goal smut most deserved. And the you get lots of attention. Lots of house Bronx here. Chelsea. So hopefully, you'll get a big a big crowd of admirers and tell me where you where you're based in your, your mail order and impersonal just Marilyn only do the flower shows. Yard where just outside Birmingham, West Bromwich before it's really not on your wearing as usual wearing your full outfit. You've gone the whole hog, which is wonderful to see and you've even got cactus broach, which I nearly on my cactus braces morning and didn't it's one foot. See, thank you so much. I should say that both and these air plants and Craig house cacti secured gold medals at the show, so congratulations to both of them. And finally, I'm speaking to another cactus and succulent grower. Who also secured a gold medal? It's oughta shore. Cacti run by Daniel Jackson and his wife, JoAnne. This boxer based captors nursery is home to not one but three national plot collections of her worth year. Astra, Lober and guests. Dear so Daniel really knows his stuff. He's a little bit shy. So his wife, JoAnne was helping him out in this interview, and do check out the show notes for some pictures of their stand. And I'm hoping to get down to audit, your character in Barsha before long to bring you a whole episode looking at those particular succulent specialisms for now. Let's hear from Daniel and Joanna about their brand new. I o neom hybrid. I'm here on the auto show. Cacti stand getting blown away yet again. While you're lovely display guys. Thank you. Tell me something interesting about this. Tell me about your new on your new. I want to say I never know say only more does it matter. Doesn't matter revisit nights walk. What's the what's the US p of this plot? What might be raining for we read this particular plant? Just something different to thirty out there. It's not has it is. It's a. Tell me the name is hybrid is hybrid between Schwartzkopf runs firecracker? So it's nice Dr freely branching, and it's three landbranch in there. And it's kind of making a pyramid structure around and look some impact phone. It's really nice. It's not advocacy part of the years in it in, but we at we, we don't know who that didn't make before or a company. Brousseau. It's brutal business. Chelsea. What's nice about this? Is it does give you a sense of the range of different things that are within the cactus? Oculus family immediate things are catch more here are the Bikaner recovering in the center, which we were kind of surprised is in this family, really. But it's such a popular Clark now. Tell me about about looking after that is it just is it just a super easy cost. Iron plum. The one or other anyways, but you can kill to give it a shade people water than most of the other things just to stop tips to the news, sometime back. These swollen stem at the bottom is that story water for the Brown is that the purpose of this not mean, if you if you over water, you're gonna rock clone is that is that possible? Yes. We, we always you're in multiple ways killing will I do. Anyway, you likely to kill a succulent over watering than you are not watching. So give advice to people to say, if you're in doubt. Few days even a week and then mortaring because I am it's amazing how they will recover. Headlock cacti the war today winter tour, and they'd gone kind of slightly shriveled and I was panicking a little bit. And then I know hold you line is going to be fine. And they, they feel that they doubled in size. They suddenly is gonna do after the mortared. What they do in the world. That's what they're not true. You'd have to be careful with the first couple of watering 's given too much maintenance split a few varieties would just split. The Williams is one that you'd have to be careful with initially. Konia. Is there anything else that you can grow? If you don't have a green suit, sunny spot. Are there any succulents that will grow in slightly Shadia is guest areas? They're excellent shade Shinishi. I rarely is well in other one syrup each of Woody on string hearts and saying is very especially arrogates. Oh, yeah. Cuttings off. Very good. Who are interesting? I got sent some from a guy of reader in America, and it seems like they're applying, but people go really I mean some, some of the points on his website as to three thousand dollars. And things not once he sent me. Oviously. Well, I know. Anyway. Were-they is that makes them? So. Capone's, but they seem to attract petite Kim passion today with the, those window leaves some of them have or the other. Grew and they look very, very different. But yet the seems to be a real market. War is in Japan. And I. Asia. And I think that's a lot to do with very issue, and she cited windows in the. Variation is so big, isn't it? And have you got any echeverria's here that you need to tell me about the I mean, the is Compton carousel? Dad still love. My phone will pay per is a picture of your Carcelle or mine. Daily. Yes. When I look at my phone, you know, it's my like healing goals, clone pinkie. That's quite delicate, one on the right there with pinky grey leaves, and then the. The. Because it's one here. Seena. Beautiful flowers hanging out on the. This one. I think the second-degree that's beautiful Queen version. That's the green version of Compton, carousel. See. And what the, the main thing I see with various people with ones that have gone in a big long firework because I haven't given it enough light. I mean win. If you've got that you've allowed to get really ET related leg is white back. What can you do? The problem tip related probably talk to inches. Giants out give it yet. Go to joy out for two weeks before you put two interesting fresh compost, or you could take cuttings and try right? And they do quite quickly. Once they get going. It's they reproduce. He composed the way the game and a nervous, if they don't producing babies. You can remove those and just match. Make sure nobody goes takes any. Of your carousel babies. That's good. That thanks will. I really hope you get a go for this. Not with FOX cacti, and we were just saying before we started recording, you know, certainly the younger, people are really getting really into cacti documents, hopefully, you might get some attention meteor tension other than oversea on alleged cars, the will inspire young people, and who's helpfully, hopefully, help people to look after that lawn to that little bit better because I think that's a disappointing thing going by, you know, people go to urban outfitters and boy. Yeah, a character since been. It's been. Great. I mean do you find? Do you get people asking for vice? And just you need to start from the very basics of where people don't know anything of people even wanting to cry. These plants because they look each at least having ago. Yes. The information which is British cactus and second society is wonderful Mashal collection of people all over the country that same interest with a wealth of knowledge, and even cuttings and seeds if you're yes, no, that's right for me. She s meetings are very good place to get hold of interesting plants. So. Yeah. It's great CO display, and a best of luck. I hope it goes, well, I'm gonna take another photo to have his new phone. Hugh. Tiny taste the house plans all the Chelsea flower show. If you, whether it's something you would like to go to infusions, I would say this. It's a wonderful event it in central London, you have to bear in mind is going to be incredibly busy, and it's not the show for everyone. But the great thing is there are so many different shows by the Jess and others around the UK and indeed around the world. That is what's possible to find a show that suits, you, whether that be geographically or your style of gardening, or just the kind of aesthetic that you like in a garden, and indeed, in house plants. So I definitely would check out the Chelsea flower show. If you get the chance to get your hands on a ticket, it is one of those events that you can take off your bucket list, if you have been and is interesting to see that house plots are definitely moving up the rankings in terms of their exposure, Chelsea this year. The whole of the alright Jess advise area of the great pavilion was covered in loads of really nice house plans, all post picture to in the show notes, including two lovely tall variegated monsters, although I did point out on wind Saddam stories that I wondered if these might be a little bit more sparse by the end of the week, if there was the old house blunt found, they're taking what is known around my way as a ten finger discount over her cutting all too. So it's a good development to see the house plants are on the rise at Chelsea as well. And I have recently become part of something who the already chess advisory group on house, plants and flora street. I think we're getting a slightly more groovy name at some point, but that is a commute origins committee. Would you aimed at improving the profile of indoor gardening and flora, stry amongst RHS members? So if you've got a anything you like me to feed into that group in terms of what house mean to you and how the origins could do more to promote them. Please do. Let me know our be more than happy to pass on your thoughts to the great and the good of that particular RHS committee, which also includes a former guest of the show, James warn, and Alice, Vincent of North Dakota. So I'm in good company there. Now it's time for question of the week, which came in on Instagram from happe- Abella, who recently discovered the podcast via her local blonde shop, cultivate propagate, which is a Seattle based shop, where Pacific northwest members recently met for their on the ledge meet up. And she wanted to ask a question about her pilot pepperonis? This is her first pilot. So she's a little bit worried about it. She's not sure how to treat a leaflet stem does she trim it or leave it alone. Aren't you sent a picture and clearly this particular stem has suffered from decapitation? They're still present still bear with the leaf is world truly gone. So what should she do? Well, pilot pepperoni ody's does have a tendency to lose its lower leaves, as it grows taller see do end up in the end with a sort of a Brown. So the slightly scaly stem with a top knot of leaves on the top. You do see some expert grows. This planet who managed to keep all. The lower leaves intact and it looks absolutely gorgeous for those mere. Mortals are you and me the plant will lose a few lower leaves on its way through. So it's worth remembering that when you're thinking about what to do with any lower leaves that are looking dodgy in this case it looks like out mechanical damage. The leave has been knocked off all bitten off by a pussycat or something has happened to that leave and the stem remaining, well, this to schools thought here, you could just leave it. And wait until it's ready to naturally detach from the stem, the benefit here, of course, is that any, any resources the left in the Petiot that's the stalk that joins the leaf to the main plant can then be reabsorbed, by the plant, and it will let that Petiot go in its own fair time, the other school of thought is that really isn't serving any purpose. It doesn't look very attractive, and you should just snip that Petiot of with the shop pair of scissors. I am not sure I have a strong view either way. It's really down to you how per Bella, but I would probably grab hold of the stem with my fingers, finger thumb and give it a little wiggle. And see if it comes away easily, if not, I would just leave it until it's ready to come away from the plant that way, the plant, chooses its own course of action obviously, if you think that there's any raw setting in on damage setting in as a result of that injury. Then it's definitely worth snipping away at the store with a pair of sterilized scissors. You could just sterilize by sticking them under a naked flame, like the whole flame on your cooker or you can use a sterilizer like Citron to sterilize the blades, too. So that's probably your options have Abella, but it looks like the rest of your plan is perfectly healthy, and happy, so don't worry too much and other say most plants will lose their lower leaves at some point as they get older as leaves get older. They build up a whole set of talks in the plot wants to get. And so at some point, the blonde will jettison a few leaves just to keep the plant in balance, and make sure that it can keep all its remaining leaves going strong. I hope that helps have Abella and I'm really glad that you found on the ledge and hi to all of my listeners in the Seattle area, and to cultivate propagate. If you've got a question for on ledge podcast. Drop me a line to on the ledge podcast at g mail dot com and that just about rounds up this week's show. One final thought before I go much as I love the Chelsea flower show. You know what there's nothing better than coming home to my own garden? Both indoor and outdoor because that really is the most special place to me. Wolf a u squeaking blooming Christmas pudding toy in the background. Oh, well I'll leave that in because I know you love action but I will see you next week funds. Take care. Bye. That's one noisy dog. Music heard in this week's episode worse. 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Episode 76: how to take great photos of your houseplants

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Episode 76: how to take great photos of your houseplants

"Hello. This is on the ledge. And I'm Jane Perron this week. We go to be turning your plan for Taga fy from rank to rank in. I'll be talking to three plant photographers who are going to offer up all their best tips for taking really good photos of your plants. So whether you've got a snazzy 'Sella or just your smartphone. We'll figure out how to get the very best shots of your plants. Whether just for your own records ought to show off on Instagram. And I've got a question about a philodendron pink Princess that's really letting down its name because quite frankly, it's not very pink. Thanks to everyone who's been splashing out on some on the ledge merchandise, your merch should be we it's way to you. Now, if you haven't received it already, and when they do please stick up a nice little picture of what you got. And tell me what you think I'd really love to hear your feedback about the merch if you have. Invested in some really want to make sure that you're happy with it. And if you have any suggestions for changes or dishes to the range than do, let me know. This week's episode is all about how to take better photos of your plants. There might be many reasons for doing this. You might be taking photos just as recordkeeping because after all it's really interesting to see how you plants grow over the season. And it's easy to forget how those tiny plants start out and how big they grow. But you might also be wanting to share pictures of your charges with social media platforms like Instagram and Facebook, or you might even be using your plants as inspiration for art work crafts, or some other kind of Arctic activity, whatever your reason taking good house plant pitches is a skilled the we can all learn, but it doesn't necessarily come naturally despite how easy it is. Just appointing click these days, I know a lot of my photographs end up looking well decidedly average, so. Tap the brains of three point photographers to find out some top tips on how to make your photos. Look their absolute best much of what I do know about plumb photography. I learned from British photographer Jacky, Hurst, Jackie's and award-winning British photographer who specializes in gardens implants applied arts crafts, and artisan foods, and she runs lots of autocracy workshops, so she's used to talking to people like you and me who are really just starting to get to grips with our cameras and smartphones one of the best tip. She taught me was how to frame a photo without letting those odd straight items ruin your shot. The mantra is less is more. First of all, I would say be to your subject the spontaneous reaction. And then as you hoes your pitch and start framing it always look around the edge of the frame because sometimes you can get so engrossed. It single Pont that you didn't see the bigger picture, and you can find that there. Lots of distracting objects in the background if need be declutter take that, you know, bit some bulbs that you might have or perhaps if you've got five points, it might better with just four points, and you can see them, but also ensure that the background complement supplants have something neutral, or if the plants lead to it, you know, have kind of background or something more jazzy, but make sure that it doesn't dominate because sometimes the viewer remote, no weather, then to look what you've got to ask yourself is what does this picture say to me? What do I wouldn't say to the view? And if it doesn't say anything to you, just try recompose ING re pink. But is Philip within. Gez who lives in Cape Town in South Africa by day. She's a film producer. But she also has a sideline intaking stunning. Pictures of cacti and succulents and what's wonderful about her Instagram feed. Check, my plants is quite how different it looks to anyone else's. That's because she photographs all her plants on a black background here. She explains how that came about started collecting a lot of succulents. And someone in a real before new collection was quite large. But I didn't know anything about my plants and one day it had been come visit convinced me, and he said, well, you should post a picture every day of your plants, and I just thought who's got time for that. And I just didn't have time. It was in the December holidays the couple of days as to sitting on the couch, and I just, you know, maybe living give it a bench, and I'm actually a phone producer, Mark. That's my main profession photography's actually, just a hobby, and I had done a film sheets like a couple of years back which everything was on black where we had to blend everything on black. And we got we had this very special black cross, and it just happened to be in my cupboard. And I'd seen it the couple of days before so quickly whip that out and put by plot on it. And I just thought. Wow, this looks really cool. And then I that's where it started. And I haven't been able to stop since every single time put a prompt just go while it looks even better than does. I don't have to make it so much striking. Yeah. I love this have decided to stick to that young women. I did the very first photo. I decided cable ambulance photographs this plants. I'm gonna stick it. Stick to uniform look sick to on black do go and take a look at check my plants on Instagram ball. You're listening because Phillipus account really is stunning. You really do. See the wow factor of cacti in succulents and Hayes Philip explaining how she frames his shot for me when I look at plants, and it blows my mind most of the time plaza going on I just try, and I try and frame it up the way. I I saw it so often I'll actually just put I mean, I'll have it in the league move the camera all around until I find the spot that that was the spot that made me go while, you know, I don't know if that makes any sense to you. So it's it's important to keep the framing in mind. Said to make sure scented to make sure that the angle is correct. Even moving the plot around to the rights angle. I mean, try not to think it to be quite honest because I just put it down and try and endured on the initial. I this is what grabbed me this is how I saw it end this grabby. And that's what I have to try. Those actually why started I want people to see what I'm seeing a copy leave of one of this earth flexibility, five years in God's into plants in the last two three years as way of the way it was being used. Focusing on the wrong things. Now, Healy's plans, and I just wanted people to see the way I see thought it would hurt the inspire other people to like plants. And my final photography experts is Mahjong from photinia phonier the Instagram account based in Vienna. That brings us beautiful pictures of all kinds of plant foliage, greenhouses and other lush delights. Now when it comes to taking pictures of your house plants, it's not quite as easy as working in a greenhouse where the light tends to be much more even and better for those plants naps. So what do you do when you're shooting inside? What I'm glad to say that my trio of talk rivers had several solutions to this problem. I it's Majdanek of folio phobia is always good to move closer to the window is good to move the balcony if somebody has one and also also outside it's good to go outside and especially on the day. Which is when this KYW's with cloudy. It's a helps. Not too strong shadows. Not too strong. Not too strong contrasts. Yeah. Did sue should work. I think it's not. I don't. I don't like to modify the colors or all the photo in post production because I think it's I want to show the plan. How it actually is. I want to keep it as the rally stick as possible. If moving your plants isn't an ocean. Then Jacky Hurst has another suggestion made the best of light lots of quite honestly in the window, but near the window. So you will have like coming in Indo life never bright to outside you can use reflector which you can make you can eat the by them from camera equipment shops or you can make them not. I personally make a reflect trapped of what they call phone board. But you could make it out to fit card, and I have three bits of board. I taped together and then. Can fold flat when I'm not using it and tuck under a safe rule weather, and it's free standing. So it means that I can stand the reflector for on the opposite sides of the light source to bounce back onto the house plans. It just softens the shadows. And evens out the contrast, which is a great help. Fancy getting all DIY on this. You could also try using a mirror over Jackie the season. Professional reminded me that the problem with this is a heavy mirror falling on your plants or we've worse on a hard floor can be disastrous. If you can't quite picture, what Jackie's describing then do check out the show notes where you can see a picture of Jackie's homemade reflector, the trouble with light and photography is. It's a bit of a Goldilocks porridge moment. Too little and your photograph won't come out very nicely. But too much and the shadows will be too harsh his Philip on the issues surrounding some might and photography just be aware of the lighting. Sometimes the they'll be shadows. And you don't want to cross your your plant. Also, sure some good lighting, sometimes grit. Sunlight is is a bit too harsh. I find I don't do. Anyone in the direct? Sunlight actually, kind of have it. It's almost sits in the shadow. That's why it means to have is needs to be full. Sunlight so that like even in the shadow it perfectly. You can still see everything because sometimes the direct lights for me is just too harsh. And you need a bit of softness. So they should be aware of of the lighting. So sometimes I found if I take a photo even on black in the direction is I have to actually just quickly find some shade take a photo in the shade in. It's completely different thing. You know, what you've got the light? Right. It's a question of trying to get you image into a nice shop focus, and this is where I find myself wobbling about all over the place. Now, Philip who takes all of her photos on often using only natural light is used to dealing with this problem. First of all, it's you can't have to close. So it's better to. Zoom in on the actual photo award while I'm taking the photo. So you sometimes you have to have just a little bit further away in only it's stuff on Instagram. I try my best to not bring into Photoshop onto my laptop. So ninety nine percents of the time. I'm successful that way. So, but the thing is this a close focus to most cameras, and the the author can it can get rid of Lee clothes, which is what's great about it. Which is what's great about photographing small plants, but you do need to have certain distance and then perhaps zoom in off towards wanted to ready on your phone. And then you'll get the it's easy to focus that way, but they need to be not a light. Also, obviously, try not move the final large truck. So so sometimes have had a bit of wine the night before it's called hearts take back the next day. But it's worse than that. Even if you haven't had a glass of wine the night before focusing when you snapping pictures in those can be difficult as Jackie. Explains. Your facial thing though, Satan have much light. So you can have slaved shot speed. If your own auto flash for pop up that you may not want. So I'd say tiny off. But if you know, a new camera lands, you to take might have such a slow shutter speed that you can't hold the camera steady camera shake, so that's when the type of comes in handy when he comes to try Ford's there on numerous options out there, but Jackie recommends the gorilla pod, which is a flexible Trifon that you can use to wrap around things and place on a table. It's very flexible thing and their various other similar designs out there. So do shop around and find something that works for you. Let's take a break from us. Napa chat to have a look at the question of week, which comes from Mary Clancy. Marriage ought be aligned to on the ledge podcast at gmaiLcom because she's worried about her ping. Princess philodendron. First of all, Mary, you have the envy of many of us because I know that here in the UK pink Princess is still incredibly hard to get hold of so well done for having a plant, but it's not all good news because Mary's pink Princess is anything, but pink this was a she got hold of a couple of years ago. But she tells me that no it's producing mostly dark green leaves with belly any pink. And she's wondering if there's ways to increase the variation on the leaves. She says it's always been close to a bright window, and it's been very happy just not pink. Well, the more I dug into this. The more interesting stuff, I found out some really glad to share with you my pink Princess plant notes, pink Princess is a cultivar of philodendron era Besson's the blushing philodendron, which has dark red leaves. Now, the dog red color that's caused by the presence of anthocyanins. Which are kind of reddish pigment. And that's what gives the leaves their color. It's worth remembering why and how plants variegated in the first place. There were actually several different types of plant variation and several causes. I'm going to link in the show notes to a brilliant piece by pistols nursery in the US called VERA, gated indoor applause, the science behind the latest house plant trend. This has really nice summary of all the different reasons, why plant leaves can be very gated, and it's really worth going to give out a read if you want to understand the plant variation that you have in your collection. But the first thing to say about this particular plant pink Princess is it has what's called coin Meryl variation, you may remember this. If you avid listener last year when I interviewed Roby black hole miles for the bathroom plants episode. He was talking about this. And the fact that he's not that keen on VERA Gatien for this very reason. What's marrow? Vera gate. It's basically means that your plant is a bit of a genetic mutant there's a battle going on in them their leaves. And it's caused by two different genetic recipes, which are basically badly jobber within the leaf. So once might have a genome that includes chlorophyll the cell next door might not. So therefore, you get green splotches, and you get pales flages. If you read the pistols nursery piece, you'll see there are other reasons why plants become VERA gated in the case of pink, Princess, this is a Camaro variation. So this gives us a hint as to why some plants revert, which basically means they go back to being all one color, this both ways some people find that their pink princesses, and with all pink leaves, obviously, this isn't great because that means absolutely no chlorophyll in that leaf, but others find that the plant will just refer to being dark red with. Doubt the pink splotches. Why does this happen? Well, that can be many different reasons. Why aplomb reverts Camaro Gatien is by its nature unstable. There's a battle going on between those two sets of genes at all times. So you do find that sometimes this reversion will occur, and you might not be able to put your finger on exactly why it's pretty hard to pin down. Exactly what's going on. But having searched around it does look like pinks Princess is particularly prone to reverting. I came across an interview with Justin Hancock of the plant produce a cost of farms, really big house, blonde producer in the US. And he's specifically mentioned pink Princess as a plant. They have rejected as a plant for mass production because it just didn't pass their tests. And the piece says we found they have to hike of reversion rate, if we propagate ten thousand eight thousand keep their variation the sad truth is that we can't afford to grow them. So this does seem to be a particularly unstable arrogation. If you go. Round searching for pink Princess mail order. You may find that your looking at reverted plants which are being advertised as such for sale. So clearly, this is a problem that lots of people encounter their various tips on how to get your plant to go back to being very gated, including cutting off some of the stem in a bit tickets to produce new foliage this era gated, but it just seems that some plants just prefer to go back to their single color leaf. And there's not a whole lot that you can do about it. Oh and just to say if any of your VERA gated plants do start putting out entirely white leaves. Then that is also something to be keeping an eye on because a plant that has totally white leaves as you will imagine is not able to photo synthesize. And leaving those leaves on the plot will gradually weaken it I had this experience with a Hoyle Canossa a wax plant. We started putting out white leaves. And I thought oh, the so pretty I'm going to keep them, and you know. What that plot was nearly dead within a few months. So if you do find your plants putting out all white leaves, then do think about chopping those out and encouraging the plot to start very gating. It's leaves again because that really is a lot more dangerous than the plot. Just going to play in green. So Mary, I think my voice to you would be concerned about this lack of their Gatien have chop away you plant, maybe wait until the spring. If you're in the northern hemisphere, but cut it back back the main stem back to just above a leaf node, and you can always propagate that bit of stems. Well, if you fancy and see what happens it may. Well, get your pump back on track with variegation it may not. But do let us know how you get on. And thank you to the house plant fans on the ledge group who helped me with some links to research this topic. If you've got a pink Princess engine this decidedly not pink do. Let me. No. Or if you have any tips or tricks for dealing with reversion. Also, let's be have in that info. The address here at on the ledges on the ledge podcast g mail dot com. It really is the best way of getting in touch with me. You can also drop me a line on Instagram where I'm Jay dot L dot Rhone, or tweet me Jane Perrone. I didn't know about you. But I find it very easy to fall into what I call white room syndrome. What this means is you spend a little time scrolling through Instagram looking gorgeous plant accounts, and everyone seems to have a white minimalist room with beautiful plants hanging all over the place, and it just feels like that's what you need to do to make your plants. Look good. But of course, not all of us have white minimalist rooms available to photograph our plants in is early don't. So I wanted to find out from our experts. Philip Jackie and Maureen ah had to put your own personal stamp on your plant Fotos when I spoke to Philip we chatted about photographing many different plants, including cannabis sativa. If you're a patriot subscriber five dollars a month or more you can hear the whole interview with Philip now over on my patriot feed. And there's information in my show notes. On how to sign up for that. For Philip looking at accountability leaf in a new way opened up a new perspective on a very familiar and indeed notorious plant, no one sees the world the way you sit everyone sees it the earned ticket away. And that is what for talking is. You're showing people the way you are seeing. And that's so that that yellow leave has been further dominate the marijuana leave at first unit fell down, and I just put it to the side. And as owner, it's just a small little deadly famous. And then I looked at it again. I was like, no. But this is actually really beautiful even it's not your typical perfect green leaf. But it stole the candidates beautiful. Something's different about it. I'm gonna photograph it, and then what? But came out so beautifully as this is great. But it's it's important to recognize what you which isn't. He grabs your attention. In. How you see it? I don't know if that makes any sense, it's what remembering that there are reasons why so many Plum, photographs take place against a white background. And that's because well it's easier to make a good plump photo that way, but sometimes it's good to move out of our comfort zone. As Jacky Hurst explains. We have got a bit seduced into minimal declutter. The works. So we're playing safe, and I think that if you can try using different backgrounds cry even using if you say one to shoot plan how spont- against the window, then you must experiment using different exposures because if you behind punks correctly exposed then you'll gain to half the expose and allow the the background to bleach child, which is very trendy in photographs at the moment. And I think it's lovely because it is a nice airy field. You can either do it depending on the type of camera. You have you if you're working on the type pot? You can take me to reading from datura houseplant on the container which will probably be. En- shadow you, and then re composer pitcher, not recompose and take the pitch and like that to get the right exposure or notes comes up something called exposure compensiation. And you can go take on what the commerce as normal and then move it to plus third, and it goes from normal my up to plus three. And every time you move. It one note makes a bit lighter a bit lighter bit lighter, which lightens the shadows. And the highlights you gave minus. A third, and it makes it doc. No every time I has to using a smartphone. And you press on the pitch you just tap the screen. Some of them have little square in a box on the song. And I think my famous even the some. You could move up or you can move it down. And it makes it like don't which is a form of compensation exposure compensation. And it's the question of just sometimes every writing the camera says if you do fancy having a play around with backgrounds, you don't have to redecorate your whole room. I'm glad to say Jackie recommends that you can buy some fancy paper from an Archer by the play all patent and attach that to them reflect to that. She suggested you make and that way you can have a seamless background on which photograph your plans against all different kinds of colors and styles. No, I can cope with making a reflector out of card and sticking some colored paper onto it that all sounds completely within my skill set. But I have to be honest when it comes to come RAs. I'm absolutely terrified of anything beyond the auto setting. And I wanted some reassurance from Jack. So he she is on how to get to grips with camera technology and programming. It's quite easy to be notice of cameras because especially when you're loose on gun of any kind. Whether it's compact the hype Brent or big digital digital less at all you get into the menu, and it can be really overwhelming. And I always say the people. Okay, you know, do dove into the menu. If you just over weld health press, your shutter button, and you're back into time rotate mood, and it's an excape button. And I think that's really good. Could you can take deep breath and think? Maybe I've got to try something different. I've got to go into bit slower or something. So don't be afraid if the Queant and experiment have fun. But how ever you you to come? It doesn't much, you know, with whatever program. My new law to the most important thing is see behind it. Your sense of completion weren't you wouldn't say. And it doesn't come. You know, quick moment. It's if your choice really of how you compose your pitcher. And luckily, we're also from when I when I teach I often get people to work in a very small every but a reasonably small area that giving the same projects, and they all come back with completely different pitchers. And we won't go. I didn't see that emergency. So it's lovely, you know, just not that individual approach, and we will go to it. Voiced Jackie just be yourself. It's pretty much like any other part of life. You need to express your own personality through your photographs. But as my Gina points out it takes time to develop your skills and your own style. I guess it's good to work should to watch other other people work who is what good to watch photos, but the the most important is to practice. So the more the more you practice the faster. Learn I think just observe your mistakes and try to find solutions joy to find better angle tried to find better lives, and again, try again, and it will be better. I also I also applied to myself, and I also always trying to improve my. Cues and he's one final tip from Jackie. And some words of encouragement on your cameras that something cool a white balance button. And this there is preset that you can set it for. I think there's two and cloudy days sunny day punks tonight, florescent light. It might be quite fun. If you experimented with those settings. So you took one of what you normally on auto because the camera does wonderful job. Actually, you know, it's been. But then if you're working inside thing, I'm gonna just set to tungsten and see what it does to the comers. And then then you have you can compare to short. And you know, unlike the tungsten or the auto I quite happy with what the camera does. But then you'll making an informed choice, which is always quite satisfying. But how ever you you to come? It doesn't mess, you know, with whatever program. My new law to one of the most important thing is C I behind it. Your sense of completion. What you want say? Now, the one thing we haven't actually looked at is what camera us clearly as our experts say equipment is only one part of the equation. But it is worth having look at what the options are and conveniently enough. This was a question that my friend. James Wong asked quite recently. Yes, I think James has a suspicion that I'm hot wiring into his brain to get topics for on the ledge. But anyway, he tweeted recently so can anyone recommend reliable easy to use comer than instantly sends images directly to your phone. I'm looking to up my Instagram game. We shorts of jungles wildlife in macro shots of house plots. I am clueless beginner so lots of you came into comment and give James suggestions, I will post a link to that thread. On the show notes. But I wanted to bring you some of your suggestions, Tim hells says we need to consider whether you actually need a separate camera. In other words, if he had another camera as well as your phone, would you use the other cameras to take all your photos, if not then the additional camera would be little used to you. You'd carry it in the never use it. Tim says that he uses a Pentax k seventy s Alah, but that's because he has a collection of Pentax lenses. He writes, if I was looking for an entry level DSL. Aw. I'd look at the Nick on D three four hundred cheap. DS law takes great photos Ellen Tamara says the Sony as six hundred is a great Cam not crazy expensive. And if you get a nice lens for it. You're good to go. Sometimes it's cheaper to buy really good quality analog Cam cameras and a converter ratio suggest the Panasonic looming which you can control from your phone apparently. And Susie Richards agrees that panasonic's. Are usually good at consumer digital cameras. Saudi Ajay has the Panasonic LX. One hundred great quality picks good for range of shots, including macro lightweight and portable easy to upload to any smart device for wife, I and the Panasonic image up much better than my iphone camera. She writes, I officer points out that you can use phone in conjunction with an loop. Which is kind of close up lens to get really close up pictures, which is a really good tip and Nicolas says, she got a clip on lens set for her phone from Amazon with macro lenses, which was ten pounds for four lenses tristen Tomlinson recommends the Nikon d three or four hundred which she's bluetooth to send photos to the phone and stores them in your iphone gallery that sounds handy. Josh key rights, I saw guy using Google pixel concert low light photos were incredible could post straight to I g from there. I'm an apple user. So it pains me to post this and John? Dickson is also recommending smartphone camera. 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Episode 94: carnivorous plants with Peter D'Amato (part two)

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Episode 94: carnivorous plants with Peter D'Amato (part two)

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If you haven't got around to listening to the previous episode number ninety three then I would start now and go back and listen to that, for the first part of the interview, because it probably won't make a lot of sense, episode ninety four unless you go back and listen to the first half of the interview, but seeming, you've done that let's get on and hear from Peter, and we cover lots of ground in this section on Seraing listener questions and finding out more about. Pizzas life with carnivorous plants, and I start off by asking him a question about potting mixes. Let's have a word about the potting mix for these plants, which, again is substantially different than regular house. Plot compost, might be here in the UK. There's a lot of concern about use of peat in potting mixes, because our Pete's sources are limited. I I'm understand. That's not so much a big issue in the US or not so much of an issue that environmentally concerned about is Pete, really the only thing that you can grow on response, or other some alternatives. Now. There's very, very few of turnips. I still find that spat them peat moss without fertilizers added. 'cause here in the states, some of the brands are adding fertilizers to the Canadian Spag Pete, that is sold and big bails for for outdoor gardens. But if you get pure sphagnum peat moss for many of the carnivorous plants that still the number one soil requirement for things like the spy traps, American pitcher, plants, most of the Sunday's plans like dependencies, the majority of their soil should be long fiber Spag moss, such as New Zealand Spag moss. This is what people's comes from, but it's the long strands of the most that are used here in the United States. We are much more fortunate because. Almost all of Canada or Pete Boggs. And I've read reports were, you know, there's some people that are concerned about harvesting peat from Canada. It's such a tiny amount of land that is generally used for harvesting that I'm personally, not that worried about it, but it's still Canadian stagnant peat moss. That is the best. I have had very, very bad luck with coconut fibres. There's some kind of response that might be able to tolerate coconut like ground up coconut coconut shells. It's forms a Pete like mix. But in my experience, they're often too salty even after their heavily washed and also the decomposed to rapidly Spag, new peat moss can last for years. And that's still my strong recommendation for us. Okay. Got a question from any about hundred penalties. And I think this, this, nobody it's, it's the question is wise mind, the penalties dying, but Anita has a problem in her Nepenthes, which is she sent me a picture, and it's in a window, so on the trouble is that it's actually kind of its bursting out of the window, sill it. So big it's about I'd say looks about three foot tall, and she wants to know whether she, she can just hack it back or is there any way of keeping it under control of these things that you can just kind of. You know during the growing season, give them a good pruning, or they bit. Yes. Now in the penalties or a magnificent genus, because the plants they send out ground rosettes, lower leaves with pitchers that sit on the ground then they begin their climbing vine, and that's what can get out of control the vines, and some of the species can grow for yards literally and they climb usually into shrubs or trees and the hanging upper pitchers often, look very different than the lower pitchers. However, virtually once you have a mature rosette with the climbing. Vine new shoots develop at the base of the plant at soil level virtually every year. So the vine continues to grow, it will even flower. That's where the flowers come from or the upper vines while you start to get Bush's shoots down at the. Bottom, I would leave the shoots alone to re grow the plant, but you could cut the vine back Woody parts of divine. Like, if several years old, the older parts of the vine, you'll have pruned off deadly at looks rather Woody, it isn't any good for propagation, but the green parts can be cut into sections, and you can then route, those you would have to, you know, I would refer to books on coniferous plants like my own or go to the international society and look up propagating dependencies, which will explain how easy it is to propagate Nepenthes from the cuttings, but then you could give the cuttings away to all of your little friends, but definitely prune depend these periodically when they just get too big to handle, you like suggest when you've got to moment of spare time go into your nursery, and just. I stare always incredible. I can't imagine how you get any work done because I would just be in just going. Oh my gosh. This two foot pictures. Just call Iraq. This is incredible. I'm not sure it get any work done tool customers asking you questions as well. I'm sure it's, it's a must be a wonderful environment to, to, to have developed and worked in over the past few decades. It is absolutely wonderful. However, we are open to the public five days a week, and we're very very popular tourist attraction here in the wine country. But also, we have a tremendous mail order business, which also keeps us busy. We have about eight or nine employee's now and running the nurseries extremely labor intensive it's it can be rather overwhelming at times. Especially when it comes to propagating new plants for sale. But yes, every. Now. And then when we close our doors, there, it's just absolute heaven, to just wander around, and look at the plants and our nursery in our collection has gotten so large, and my business partner Dame and pretty much handles, all the propagation and -taining, new plans and working with a fellow Mike who runs our tissue culture lab that I don't even know what we're growing anymore. Damon will almost every day. When I go, there, he goes, did you see this new pink, you'll flour from the hybrid that I made or I'll wander around and I'll say where to this helium for come from. It's just a magnificent experience to just look around and mellow out with the plants. You know, it really is. I'm sure this is the case that you get the occasionally, I guess, maybe no questions stupid questions. But he must get some great questions for people coming in. Who are not necessarily coming on a tourist trip and they don't necessarily chronic plot. France to people say things like has ever eaten a person like diga, any really crazy questions is what I want to do. Kitsch wanna know if we have teach eating plants and, you know, whereas all dri, we do have an old stage puppet from little shop of horrors. So they wanna see Audrey. I really wish we had a big trip, you know, but yeah, there are questions like that another thing is that many people are under the assumption that these plants will eat plant pests like aphids or mealy bug in the garden, and that is not true. Unfortunately coniferous plans, do get attacked by very similar pests that attack regular house, plants and garden plants. And there's a lot of natural insecticides that help take care of that, like pie reprints with canola oil. But that's something that a lot of people come in, you know, wondering about if they want plan. For a patio to eat flies, and yellow jackets. Yes, we recommend the trumpet plants the American pitcher plants, Sarah Sania, they can really do quite a number on outdoor flies and stuff. But it's yet so. Plus you've heard it all. I mean, did you tell anyone about the rat in, you know, you sort of say, yeah. This is this is the pitcher plant, busy eating rat recently. Is that a selling point? We have we don't want to, you know, freak people out. There's some of our regular customers who come in or collectors that we have mentioned it the penalties like most of the pitcher plants. They produce antiseptics apparently, so there isn't even any bad smell coming from this picture. And when the pitcher starts to turn Brown, you know, we're probably going to cut it off, and we'll take it outside and cut it open and see what it looks like. But chain, I, I wander around the nursery, rescuing things, we have Pacific chorus frogs, all over the place. And if I see a of Rog trapped in a Cobra plant, for instance, I can't sleep at night, you know, cut the pitcher open, and release the frog and sometimes, you know, even things. Like, like yellow jackets wasps, if they fall into a Sarah senior outdoors, and if that plan is filled with ants. I mentioned in my book, it's, it's like imagine a human person, falling down a greased. Well, they'll with rat horrible death, and I'll pick trope and shake it until the yellow jacket can fly away, even if it has a lot of aunts, you know, biting it. But in my old age, I've gotten quite sensitive, and, and I don't like to see things you know, suffer and be I can understand the idea. Remember, you know, hearing blue bottles and things trapped in Saracini pitches. And is if you sitting there listening to it kind of buzzing around trying to get out, these, yeah. It is a nerve ING. Sometimes I can appreciate. Yeah. It's like that, old movie the fly that pension price movie where the guy. With the flu the fly head and then the fly with the human head gets caught in a spider nation. I suppose that is also part of the converse, plants appeal. I mean, I know that there are passionate passionate collectors in every corner of the horticultural world, the orchid collectors are very passionate the cactus collectors, but it does seem to me that possibly carnivorous plant addicts among the most passionate about their subject, and I'm sure he get do get sort of people who are completed see won't have every species of whichever gene is there specializing in and won't rest until they've, they found them. But what do you think it is that sort of the fascination of the way the incredible way that they have evolved is, is the big draw to carnivorous plants? Well, initially chain, initially, people often fascinated because these plants don't just sit there because they do catch an eighth things. But after a while it's really the incredible beauty of the plants that people are mesmerized by and, in fact, there were a lot of growers that prefer to feed their plants with a different folder, fertilizers, or fertilizer pellets in the pictures, because they don't wanna ruin the beauty of like a son do by having all of these insects, caught on them. And that's generally been my experience with our customers. It's the awesome incredible looks of the plants that really get them. And not simply the fact that these things are eating thing. I guess that's good to know that it's not it's not all today with the horror. Of the goriness of it, which brings us neatly round to a particularly attractive pitcher plant, which were listener called Cynthia wants to know about it's no penalties. Ed Wood Ziana, which was not familiar to me. But when I googled, it just looks like an incredible has an incredible tooth, kind of rim to this very scarlet pitcher just. The of pitchers like Nepenthes at word Seon, and there are a few others like Veloce and penalties Hamada that have these hooks around the mouth, and generally, they're very, very slippery, and covered with nectar, and they enhance insects like ants falling into the pitchers, but some of them like Nepenthes had words Yana can be a bit challenging, because they are very high altitude plants from like the mountains of Borneo. They'll grow, you know, six thousand feet elevation where the temperatures are usually rather chilly day and night so they can be rather challenging. And they're also often, very rare in cultivation to get these plants mass produced you have to get seed of the plan, and you have to have male and female. Milne attempt to produce the seed unless somebody gets permit and is, you know, able to click some seat from the wild which does not happen very, very often. But yes, some of these pitcher plants are quite extraordinary in how they look with their teeth and they can look very, very. The myths about, you know, human eating pitches comes from this idea that they look very deadly. They start walking, you know when they start well getting out the business myself. We'll be hearing more from Peter after the break. But now let's hear from the other sponsor for this week's show on the Lynch is supported by growth technology, the nutrient company that helps you house, plots thrived finding the right fertilizes for your plants can be confusing, but growth technologies focused range of plants Pacific feeds, make it really easy to care for everything from banzai to banana plants and they contain all the essential nutrients for healthy, vigorous growth, including calcium at magnesium. And they're in rich with seaweed and humic acid to support long-term. So fertility visit growth technologies website focused dash on dash plants dot com for loads of great house. Blonde advice on everything from keeping your orchids happy to taking care of palms. You'll find growth technologies products available online, and in many good gardens into that nurseries across the UK. So choose growth technology for healthy happy house. Plants. Now in the final part of our interview with pitas tomato. We're on Seraing questions about Nepenthes these, and we'll be finding out, how Peter is taking his law of carnivorous plants to a completely new level with the role, the creative project, another question from Cynthia, she's Goethe questions about Nepenthes independent these. She says she's going to Ventura that's putting out a basal shoot pursued after all the pitches droid. And she's not sure because of the lower light levels or because it's putting energy into the shoot. She wants to know about the biology of the basal shoot. Is it happy and reproducing? Or is it sad? And sending out some lost hope times when they have a climbing line. And if you get a basal shoot, sometimes the climbing going slows down at scroll. It may also flower which will slow down DeVine's growth and the upper pitchers may turn Brown, prematurely. If if you're getting Brown pictures on the new. Basal shoot. It may be that the plan is not being kept wet enough or perhaps you should apply. Foley fertilizer, or if it has pitchers on it feed, it, something like Azmacort pellets insects, but the pitchers also are the actual leans so older pictures, will be turning Brown, but I wouldn't worry about it. If it has basal shoots. That's the sign of a healthy plan that starting to regrows itself. And you may want to cut the older vine back as we talked about earlier and let all the energy go into the basal shoots to which will then reproduced, the entire plant all over again. So we've talked about lots of different genera- of, of carnivorous plants all around the world. Is there anything there any kind of response? The haven't really any genera- have really haven't come into cultivation. We might see come into cultivation in future or anything interesting that we might be seeing our nurseries or garden centers anytime soon. Some of the new ones that have been discovered like a plant called a genus still Cox SIA, which is found in desert areas of South America. I don't think they're fascinating plants. They have very bizarre traps that actually are under sand and catch little nematodes and obsessive collectors, like myself would love to try and grow those plants, but plants like that won't become popular window so plants, tell me Cooksey is named after gyco, Phil Cox. I don't know. Not to be the truth. I'm sure it's not. But no, it it may very well be like Nepenthes these, rob Canley. I was named after famous British grower. Who now has his nursery Sri Lanka and his name's rob can't leave. So they named attendees that he cultivated rob Canley. I so feel Caccia maybe named after what is there? Is there a Nepenthes sees D'amoto, or a Saraceno, D'amoto around anywhere do have I do have an incredible independence that was named after me by somebody who grew a plant hybrid that was produced by by German? Grower named Dr Marabini. It's depends Peter D'amoto. It's a hybrid between low, I and venture coz and it's photographed in my book. It's very popular. Rooted cuttings on EBay can still go for I don't know the equivalent in, in euros, but, you know, it's, it's a couple of hundred dollars for rooted cutting, but yes, I was very flattered to have this magnificent plant named after me. But yeah, a lot of people are, you know, they hybridize they produced some really nice plants, and they named it named after a loved one with Sarah senior highlight to give sinister names, like abandoned, hope, which was on the cover of my first book, lamentations. I named one Sarah Scindia, extreme unction, which is the death rites of the Catholic church. You can have a lot of fun with these plants giving them. Go to Sarah senior, extreme unction. That sounds awesome. I'm sucker for a good name. So that's, that's totally sold on me. But when it comes to the question that you started, you know, this section on, I think it is with hybrids, Sarah Thenia, hybrids in the penalty, hybrids Mexican Butterworth hybrids, and there's so many mutated, Venus fly traps and fly traps, which is only one species, but there's a people are crossing them and getting bigger and bigger traps or very strange, looking traps at our nursery, we have over a hundred different Venus Flytrap, cultivars alone, that are on display and not all of these mutated fly traps, actually work, some of them trapped can't close. So you have to, you know, apply a full your fertilizer to really keep them healthy. The problem with that kind of wonder with some growers feel like that's a step, too, far, when you when you read it when, when it got to the point, where the Trump function to do what the trap would do naturally is that taking the hybridization too far or do you just kind of think he looks really cool. It doesn't really matter. You can still feed it. That's fine. I have seen some fly traps, mutated ones on, like Facebook. And I tell people kill it before it. Multiplies. Because I just feel sorry for the poor thing, you know, but some of them are bizarre enough. You know, people wanna grow these weird things, you know, that's, that's fine. But in the wild, you know, most of them, certainly would not survive for many generations. No, they could catch anything. Yeah, that's really interesting. Oh, I guess it's just people's people's fashions they go through in. I really love some of the really dark red ones with the result, right? Inside of the traps. I think they're, they're the ones that I'm interested in from the point of view of interesting, Venus, Flytrap hybrids, several trips that are entirely purple, not just the red traps, like Royal red or red dragon. And I know they're growing them in England to some of those compete very, very beautiful. When you see an entirely purple being slide trap, lovely, and I guess, I think for me venusfly transfrom from probably always be my most favorite conifers plot, not least because I kill it so many on the way to learning how to look after them as a child. I remember buying quite a few times, and kind of even knowing what, basically what to do, but really not giving them quite the right conditions and knocking them enough light. So I kind of. It's kind of hard won knowledge now I can make them thrive. So I think they're always going to be my favorite. I've, I'm just I'm not sure what you've how you feel about some growers seem to, like, leaving the flowers of his remove them. I'm just letting mine flower this year because I just thought I just wanna see what these flowers looked like. So I'm letting them flower, which may be a mistake, but we'll see what your view is on that. Podcast with Tom from Tom's carnivorous plants. And, you know, he recommended that if you have a younger plan, when the flower emerges from the rise in the spring when it's two three inches tall it probably is wise to cut it off. It does set the energy of the plan. If you do let a flight Trump flower, it'll probably only have a few small spring traps at this time of the year when it flowers and I would feed them, you know, give them some insects, let them get the energy from the insects in order to flower and set seed. The flowers are not very attractive, but it is fun to try to grow fly traps from seed. But just before warned that will take, you know, four or five years to get a mature plant if you do grow at from with a just a few plants of about four. Four or five plants will I be able to get viable seed from from those if they do seed. They have a crown of flowers, maybe six to eight flowers at the top of the flowering spike, and hopefully, you'll have to flowers open at roughly the same time or have multiple flowers on a couple of different plants. But rub the flowers together, the ant, the flowers are only open for a few days and the answers that produced the yellow pollen will mature at a slightly different time than the stigma in the middle, which is where the pollen has to be deposited, the stigma will turn slightly fuzzy and then it's ready to accept pollen, and it can only do that over maybe two three four day period. So if you rub the flowers together, you know, from different. Towers, then you are more likely to deposit, the pollen onto the stigma, and then you will get seed from them in several weeks. Well, I'm gonna give it a go. Lose. And we've been doing lots of house plants of every year, I do house plant so long and this year, I have sown, some Saracini papaya seeds. So they are currently in the fridge as per mine structures from the seed packets on waiting. See whether I get an e success from those. It's such great fun on. It's such a cheap way of experimenting that I really enjoy growing stuff from seed. It's but he do have to be in it for the long game. Don't you? Yes. Yes. Even with Sarah, Cynthia. It's probably not until, like third year of growth that you actually start to see what the plant is going to look like, but then, you know the triple in size like every year. So it'll still take about five years to get a mature Sarah senior from seed, but there are a lot of fun to grow a lot of fun. Obviously go ahead of a lotta plaza Eunice redeem have many carnivorous plants in your own home, or is it kind of like Colson you costal? You've kind of keep. In the nursery are used to. But I don't my house for thirty years. It's a very small piece of property, I'm surrounded by redwoods, but I'm in a very sunny area. However, I also love palm trees, and I could grow cold hardy palms here and my palms have completely ceded my yard so I don't have any sunny enough area to grow them outdoors, but I do have a small terrarium in my bathroom with grow lights on it, and I grow mostly Sunday's there, and sometimes I experiment, you know, if we get some new variety of sun, do or a butter word, I'll put them in the terrarium and see how they do for six months or a year. But otherwise, it's the lack of direct sun that I'm lacking now. So I don't have very many at my house. Burnings brings us navy round one. Other question from listen. Which was about the best Sanjeeva in DOE cultivating. Is it the Cape's on you? Still the Cape son, do even Charles Darwin. Who I experimented with the native roundly Sunday in England? He just fell in love with the Cape Sunday when he had a pained one from the woman who sent it to him from South Africa. It's very it's rather large for Sunday in the spring week and have Cape Sundays that are sixteen inches in diameter. They produce a lot of flowers and seed, the seed will get everywhere on what peat moss and start germinating, and they literally become a weed. They're wonderful to give as gifts. They're great for kids. They could do Charles Darwin's experiments of feeding different substances to the different leaves and see how the plant reacts to say that my son jeez, while I left them outside. In with my Venus fly traps. And I had a panicky discussion with Thome of Tom's carnivores and said, I think I've killed and he said, don't panic, they should grow back and indeed, they are. So I'm very happy about that. Undo Severi thick roots and they could take temperatures of quite a bit below freezing for brief periods and they definitely do come back. They come back from the roots, and from the stem. So they also make a very nice outdoor plants. I'm very happy that mine have have recovered because I was panicking for bit. But there we go. That's the one diverse wonderful thing about carnivorous plants is some of them are, are tough with than than they look and one final question pizza war is next for Pete's D'amoto. Have you got any other than just enjoying your converse plants anything else your planning to do in the carnivorous plant world other than sit back on your laurels and enjoy being the one of the foremost carnivorous plant people in the world? I haven't working on the novel several years I'm near the end. If I could only figure out exactly how and the novel it's ready over four hundred pages. And it's I'm planning on it being around a five hundred page book. It's about the Lucifer plant from hell. Lucifer infernal lists. It's a, it's a carnivorous plant that looks like a giant seeing them any and it produces a super vaccine, if it's that human body parts. And then you cut the tentacles off and you take the serum from the sap of these tentacles, and you don't get sick. You don't get old. And I have all of these people killing each other trying to get control of this. Plant, which was actually introduced by aliens from another dimension. You gotta sale already pizza. I definitely want to buy that book. I've had a lot of fun and a few people who've read it really enjoy it. So, you know, I ride on it in my spare time and I'm hoping, maybe within the next year I will finish it up. But yeah, thanks brass. Oh, that sounds amazing. What I will definitely read that, that sounds like a fantastic plot. And I wanna know how ends already of us. That's great. Well, thank you so much for joining me pizza. It's been absolute pleasure to talk to you, and thank you for, for altering my questions and my listeners questions, I think we've all learned so much. So we are most grateful. Peter, thank you very, very much. I greatly enjoyed this. Well, wasn't that fun? Thanks so much for Peter D'amoto sparing the time to chat to me from his home in California. And just a soulmate note on potting mixes for carnivorous plants. Even though in the US Pete is the standard this more more such going on in the UK about options for Pete free mixes, and in the show notes for this week's episode you'll find links to some pages which have recipes for Pete free carnivorous plant mixes from the RHS and others. So do check that out if that's something that interests you now it's time for question of the week, it comes from Rebecca, who is in charge of the plans at the cafe that, she works in four that's always Mark, you out as a plump person who has been given the Whitey responsibility. So, so far Rebecca has potted up at your seen on a peace lily at the cafe about cheese. Scared of the variegated, chef flora umbrella plant that she's got to care for to Wally. Well, the soil is incredibly compact on very old Rebecca says that she's tried air rating. The water sue just flows out to the puck quickly is being in the same spot in the same soil, probably at least seven years. So for Becca wants to know any advice reporting over placing soil for large plants. It's fall, too. Heavy for me to confidently report on I don't want to shock the plant, she's very helpfully missing pictures of this plant, and it's probably about four or five foot tall and looking pretty much how a chef Laura would look if it's been in the same spot for seven years without being reported. So it's a little bit bear in places. Got what we call in the business bear legs. But he's actually looking very healthy things considered it is reaching towards the window for some light. Not surprisingly, so. What do we do with this plant? Well, first off, let's talk about hydrophobic soil. So this is a term that basically describes soil van has got so dry that the water is repelled by this little particles and just runs off the plant either through the soil or just pools on the surface on this happens when your composite becomes very, very dry when it has been moved for very long time in the while this because by other factors like wildfires. But obviously in the case of a house plant is generally just because it's dried out so badly that the soil is bone dry, and it's going to take a bit of an effort to get this plant back to accepting water into the solve. So how do we go about it? Well, I deal Rebecca reporting, this plant would be the best thing you could do, because the compacted soil the old soil, which is very much depleted if any nutrients, but the problem. But the main problem is that compaction because the soil has gone. Very much free of aunt hokey slumped down, and so not much air is getting to those roots. Not much water's getting those routes. Either I suspect the plant is badly pop bound so of steel yourself, Rebecca, get a friend to help off arouse at the cafe probably best not to do it while you're serving people, the bacon, buddies, all the all the tofu stir fries, or whatever it is. Cafe says up after hours, though get busy and go tarpaulin down. And you get a friend to help you maneuver, the pot and get these out of the pot and see what's going on. It doesn't necessarily have to go into a big apart. You could just trim away all the access route material and then shake off as much salt as possible. Replace it with fresh houseplant potting mix said that is the ideal scenario that way you get to the roots you replace that hydrophobic soil. Not soil. Probably got no nutrients left in it for something. That is much better for the plans on appreciate that. That may not be possible. So what's the other options? Well, you can do in cool top dressing where you scrape away as much as possible of that top layer of soil without damaging any routes. If you can get say, five centimeters a couple of inches off the top that would be ideal then get a chopstick and start a bit of a poking pogo away into the soil, as deep as you can kebab state, would also work, and that way, you are producing lots of holes in the soil, which will allow water to start to percolate through, if you can lift up the pot and cut off any route that coming out the bottom, which may be happening that would also help. I'm once you've done that you can then put fresh houseplant potting mix on the top to replace the stuff that you've removed. And then I would put the pot into. Trey of water for few hours, maybe overnight, because that's the way that the plot will have long enough to soak up water, and get rid of that hydrophobic state, that is going through the hose eve, may also help the voice ah percolate. So have it sitting there for few hours until you can feel that the soil is nice and moist throughout and that way, you could possibly avoid reporting the plot as I best practice reported it may go back into the same pot and by trimming those routes. But ideally, if you can get that plant into a new set of compost, Behrmann, if you do trim the routes, you need to think about also trimming, some of that top growth because you need balance between top worth and route growth, so an under the general mass of top growth and root growth needs to be imbalanced. So if you trimmed of roots of out, also trim, some of that photog- at the top taking away, the leggy, est on most. Well, we're way would branches if you can so that you're left with annoy stripe. Everytime, you snip something step back and take a look so that you can check your making not making the plot look, too unbalanced as you go, sir Rebecca, I hope that will help when you finish that process, then if you put it into new party mix, it won't need feeding. But if you've kept it in the existing party mix out also feed the plant, and in this kind of setup you may want to go for a slow release fertilizer that will just be in the pot. I'm will gradually release nutrients to the plot. One of those low release fertiliser sticks so that you don't have to worry about doing anything in terms of feeding very often. All you could just get a product that you could add to the water, every time you water under the older vice weekly weekly we heard that for other I've mentioned that where yes you're feeding the plot weekly every week. But weekly as in dilute. So it's up to you, but do bear in mind that the plot will need feeding and able put on a spurt of growth, once it's been treated in this way, so that something that you need bear mind. The plot will hopefully be have putting on a nicer flush of growth. So that's the shetler hopefully sorted Goodlatte. Rebecca, I hope that your bosses at the cafe and your customers are all happy with your work. If you've got a question for on the ledge podcast. I'd love to hear from you. Drop me a line on the ledge podcast at g mail dot com. Well that's all for this week show. I'll be back next Friday, when all be bringing you some dispatches from the Chelsea flower show. Yes. The world's most hold coach will event has let me in again, to report on what's going on in the world of house, plants and horticulture. So if there's anything you particularly want me to look at do tweet me, or drop me a line, and let me know. So I can investigate whether it's. Cacti. Carnivorous pl-. 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Episode 84: Forest cacti part one: Easter, Christmas and Thanksgiving cacti

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Episode 84: Forest cacti part one: Easter, Christmas and Thanksgiving cacti

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On the ledge podcast is back. It's episode eighty four and I am your host Jane Perron, you know, what this week. I don't know. Whether it's Christmas or Easter may be partly because of had a week off the podcast, and I'm not quite back in the groove yet. But it's also because in this week show we talking about Christmas Easter and indeed thanksgiving cacti, I've got expert grow Mark Preston on hand to answer my questions about the differences between these groups of plants and finding out some top tips on how to get them to flower, not drop their buds and generally look fabulous in our homes. This is actually the first part in a two party interview. Because Mark had so much interesting stuff to say that I'm bringing him back in eighty five to talk about the other members of the rip solid clan. That's hat your rip solace and lip is, ma'am. Also in today's show. I'm going to be altering a question about spider plant babies. 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And when I do every patron, regardless of the tier there in we'll be getting an exclusive digital artwork, celebrating the show so pleased consider signing up. Find out all the info you need. Jane, Perron dot com. If you prefer to give a one after nation, that's fine too. You can do that vicodin dash five dot com. Again, details on my website. But now, let's crack on with my interview with Mark Preston. Preston is an expert on epic cacti and member of the British cactus and succulent society. One of my favorite plans sorties in the U K, and he's regularly to be found at meetings of the BCS giving talks on these wonderful plants. So it was a delight to chat to him about Christmas eastern. Thanks giving cactus. The Schlumberger is. And more. But I started off by asking how he got into this whole plant thing in the first place. Well, I think I began have an interest in plants when I I had a tropical fish tank, actually and gradually. I became more interested in the plants themselves and the fishes and conveniently my parents had just started having a conservatory built on the back of their house. And I started trying to propagate plants, and I think my interest really started from from that it waned a bit. I did Boston University. But other than that, I didn't grow so many plums at for a few years. We moved house had children, and I've gradually come back to it as the children of God older, and I've had more time to indulge. So I'm actually now guessing back into the sort of things that I was growing maybe forty years ago. That's nice, isn't it? That's a good. Good feeling when you can kind of rediscover park. I loves and embrace your hobby fully, I think so and also things things have moved on in some ways. But in other ways, it's all exactly as it was I in in the sixties and seventies. There was actually a lot of new plant material coming in some of which has been quite difficult to obtain over the last twenty thirty years. I think it's interesting some of those plants are now coming back. Indeed. And that's why is dated talk about this subsection of the epic cacti family, which is not really a I don't think a botanical definition release. Just a allusive Notley natural the ones we were talking about today. Is there an umbrella name for this group of epic cacti, or are they just this lot? What do we call them? Well, they they belong to a tribe of cool the rip solidly which is one of a number of tribes within the cactus families that have if character these ones are probably the most extreme empathize. If you like, and they tend to be smaller. They tend to be slower growing perhaps more adapted to extreme EPA visit conditions generally. And some of them do pay quite good, house blocks. There are some real very extremely popular plots, which are still widely grown, and in fact, a coming back into fashion. So we've got the Christmas cactus the cactus, the rips lists. But you've which is obviously a subset of of that tribe. The piecemeal and Hattie aura is that. My is the the full list. I think I think so of the the names change they've changed. Fairly frequently throughout the last century. But that is being given another boost results of the molecular analyses of being done over the last ten fifteen years, but yes, we're we're into about five different genera- the moment within the rips holiday, and I guess we should probably start with the Christmas and Easter cacti this so much confusion around this this group of plants online. There seems to be so much conflicting information about oh. Well, that's thanksgiving cactus. And that's this. And that's an I'm I'm still a bit confused have to be quite honest about exactly what I should be calling these things and how they're all different Kenny Kenny infusion. I'm not alone. That's. But yes with these things essentially thanksgiving cactus Christmas characters there was an old English crab cactus. Presumably from the fact that the stems heads some spiky tips to the joints. They are all different ways of describing plants within. What is now the genus Schlumberger and primarily the plumps that you see in cultivation nowadays. Cultivars ov- in autumn, flowering species called Slumberger trunk Carter. That was one of the earliest was imported into the country in the early eighteen hundreds and initially it was grown stove plant, and it was gradually realized they would tolerate rather wide range of conditions that but essentially as new imports came in they had different color versions. And so there was a constant supply of novel. Issues. I from the Christmas sorry from the Schlumberger trunk carts. The autumn flowering species as people explored Brazil more they discovered there was a very closely related species called Schlumberger resilient, which is smaller neater has regular shaped flowers more pendant than Schlumberger trunk Carter and that flowers in the spring and somebody in about the eighteen forties had the idea of trying to cross those two, and it was that cross which actually produced the thing, which is was originally called the Christmas cactus. Pretty obviously you cross autumn flowering species with the spring, flowering species, and guess what you get Christmas cactus flooring in the middle. So Christmas cactus strictly is the name for the hybrids that flower around Christmas time and one. One of the perennial questions that I see and probably UC is that people say, well, why doesn't my Christmas cactus flower at Christmas. And and the answer to that is probably because what you're what they have boards, and what they growing is not actually a Christmas cactus, but cultivar of the autumn flowering species. And so that that's why they fly October November time, generally. Okay. So that's where the that's where the thanksgiving things come big. So let me get this. So that would be a some kind of schamberger trunk Carter hybrid as. Could usually of back cross because these things have been hybridize now for fifty years, and so possibly there is a bit of Schlumberger Rosalia in the things that are still being so nowadays. But as you know, the they start being sold quite early on in the autumn, and I guess that's a commercial imperative to try and get the plants available as quickly as possible. And for the same reason trunk arteries is generally preferred by I think the horticultural trade because it tends to be a larger more robust plant it. Flowers on young plums, which can be kept compact and pack tightly and starring trays the try other species and even the hybrids primary hybrids flower Christmas time, they tend to die angle more, and they do not therefore lend themselves to presentation in the same way. And I think that's probably why they have fallen out of commercial favor. That's really interesting two things spring to moment as a result of what you said going back a bit explain what a stove plant is. He wouldn't mind I'm not entirely it was it was a term used for plants that were kept in heated conditions in a conservatory greenhouse. I think I guess you're the old the old stove heated Victorian conservative understanding of it. Anyway, I just heard mused in relation to these plans. No, no, I'm second question. So we've we've established kind of thanksgiving slash Christmas cactus situation. Where does the Easter captors? Hybrid produced by two species of rip solid ops. This now the distinction between Schlumberger and Rupp's rip solid tops is has been confused by taxonomic over the years. But if you know what's happened in the past, which it makes life a lot simpler, there are two species of rip solid ops. It's a small one called rip sell adopts this rosy with pink flowers of the pretty little thing. And as the other species, rip solid ops is Gartner I which has is larger and has larger orange flowers. And again, these two species were hybridize to create the plunk are now known as Easter cacti commercially, which come in a variety of colors reflecting the fact that the parents had different colors as well, these whether you've got. Easter Christmas or thanksgiving versions or species or cultivars, they all are treated in a kind of similar way. But if you want them to flour there are a few tricks and tips for getting them to flower. I think a lot of people by these plans in buds bring them home and the bottle fall off. I think many of us have been through that experience too. So I what what's the way of avoiding that. If you go out and boy lovely Christmas cactus or ISA cactus in bud. And you bring it home. What's the best way of avoiding that tragic moment when the buds are all on floor. It may be too late by the time, you get there was a view some some years ago that you have to keep the plant facing the same way while about growing, and if you try to turn it roundabouts somehow twist themselves to try and face the night, or whatever and fall off that I think is is completely untrue. I actually deliberately tried doing this with plant which had two hundred nine turned it hundred ninety degrees to see what would happen. Absolutely nothing happened. So I'm convinced that that isn't a problem. I think the problem is probably more. These things are grown really quickly in. Pretty much ideal conditions of temperature and relatively high humidity in in greenhouses. And then as soon as the bud start to appear they are prepared for selling to people and the in that process, they are often transported in conditions, which are very very different to how I grew and the show simply the shock of the cold the wind or whatever is enough to cause the wars are really very young little more than cuttings to to just lose their buds. So I think really it's more question of how the plants have been stored prior to win people get them. Yeah. That's I think that's a good point. I know of Asli if the flowers to fall off, then it doesn't mean the plants going to die just means you gonna wait your world to get. But it it's possible that you can do something I one because as I said one of the conditions they they will be grown in is relatively high humidity and still share one of the things you can do when you bring them home is to try and recreate that as far as you can so not put them in drafts. And and if you can increase the humidity around the plant, so either by regular spraying or even in extreme cases, put them in plastic bags to to just Inc, which would will help both with the humidity and gassing down for offs that that will sometimes rescue plant. But of course, then you don't see it as well. So it's it that's not a long-term solution. Probably for these. That's the thing. Isn't it? You sort of putting of your nose despite facing that's an Oreo. But let's talk about how to get these plans to flower again because I think this is the one that really stumped stump's people in my all time favorite how spont- book Dr David Hesse on context. But there's a there's a dollar grab which I don't know if it's if it's still considered to be correct. But there's a wonderful. It's kind of like a chart which tells you what to do with your Easter Christmas thanksgiving cactus at different times of the year to get it to flower. This is kind it makes it look kind of complicated. But if you follow through the months, it does kind of make sense is there any kind of simplified version, you can give us on how to keep these plants happy throughout the year. And then get them to flower ago. The first thing to remember is that they are effigy plums by nature, and so they are not used. To Bryce lives, and the other thing is that they are not actually. Particularly good. If too much heat either. So I would say no point in the year. Do you want to stick these things in the sun and not-i'm of the year? Do you really want to try and overheat them either? They they actually will tell right quite low temperatures. So you need to find a position. Ideally. Reasonable life. But definitely not direct sunlight and somewhere where it will be woman the day paps cooler at night, and and the plants will pretty much do the job themselves as long as they are in a reasonable open organic compost, then which you you keep moist. But not Sautin say the plants will pretty much grow themselves in in. If you've got it, right? Usually after the flowering periods of floorings over they won't do a lot for a few months over the winter. But then you should see small news stem sections appearing from the tips of the ones that were on the Plum when you got it from about Prome woods, and they'll be one maybe two flushes of growth during the spring and early summer, and then they may be a bit of a lull again as start to. Pair at the tips of the probably the new stem sections mostly those will grow during the late summer Antill depending on which plant you've got they will start to flower again in the either the autumn winter or early spring. So I don't I don't really see any as needing any magic. It's more. Just a question just fitting in with plants natural so Eichel. I guess that's the thing. Isn't it will naturally coordinate with the seasons, and they lengthened and so onto to flower the right moment, which is the ideal thing you mentioned there about the compost kind of potting mix to these EPA fights need. I'm kind of thinking that I'm possibly over putting them into larger part because actually probably I imagine that route balls or not that big. Is there any particular recipe recommend for the potting mix? Terms of recipe. No the essential feature. I think is that it should be organic vice obviously because if you think about what's happening to them in nature. They're living primarily up trees where they they live on deadly tweaks all held bits of of bird droppings or even birds themselves or insects old bound up really with moss growth. So what the plants right? He rooting straight into. To that. And so really you try and mimic that by giving them, maybe a mixture of chopped bark and Koya or something like that. But the actual you could make Ulli you can add all sorts of things. It doesn't really matter as long as you end up with something that is water retaining. But at the same time has plenty where spices because these plants really don't like, although they don't tolerate drying out. Very well, they don't like being waterlogged either. So an open spongy organic compost is what you're offering. Of of the Christmas. Sometimes I've tried actually drying out Christmas trees and chucking out Christmas tree needles in as well. It doesn't really doesn't match. I've tried different mixes. And I can't see that. There's that much in it it, it's it's the texture those important. This different options because I think sometimes we can get tied up or must have exactly these proportions of per light to bitcoin to Giannini's number two in panic about these you're absolutely right. I don't think it's important to I really don't. And in the with some species, I have found that actually they they are better off not in Sola toll. I grow the Schlumberger Rosalia in that I mentioned to you earlier, the small spring, flowering Schlumberger, I grow that's on the outside of porous clay pots that are filled with water inside. And so you have it's essentially just a silly claim cylinder rat most around the outside and plant the Plum straight on into the most there is no soil at all. Ooh. That's really interesting. I've loved to see a picture of that mom because that sounds very intriguing. How do you? How do you secure the plant to sing loan? Imagine you could do it can be quite fiddly. I mentioned you could do with couple of wire or something like that much more easily. But I was never quite sure. Whether the copper would adversely affect the growth of most. Because essentially what you're doing here is keeping the most happy for as long as possible. And if you the most happy the will be happy. Just filling up that central reservoir with water and that soci- soaking through its porous and then the points on the outside with the mall, and he's not sitting on a show for hanging hanging was not so far the only one I've used have had three the ones I've fought have had three holes drilled. Intervals around the talk. And so you can hang them from overhead bar or something like that. And in fact, I now have an automatic. So the Pell watering system that keeps them top up. So I can go away in the summer, which is nice. But yes, I can give you a picture that no problem. Very interesting to see because I can't quite visualize it, but I'm yeah, I'm really, and I guess ideal as you say for epic fight. It sounds perfect. It's getting that regular supply of moisture, but it's not surrounded cloudy. Nothing to go back to your earlier point about over pulsing that can be an issue because as you say the Rupel what the roots can be extensive, but there's some a massive lump of route and they don't need a large amount of compost. I think there's much more chance that they will end up getting too much water particularly in the center, if you put them into large part, and they are actually better off particularly the rip sell adopts Easter cacti. I would say particularly is particularly potent not to give them to larger part and to to keep them on the dry. So I'd rather than the wetter. So I the important thing is actually not too much water. But the humidity that that really helps them because it slows down the rights, which they lose water. Humidity. Are we talking about a greenhouse fog? Or are we talking about sort of fifty percent or what do humidity level for these plans? Can you give thinking the plumps will tell you? It's probably more than an average house would would have not particularly issue, of course, in the winter when central heating tends to be turned on because there's less water in the air. You hate your top. And that creates a suction effect on dryer crates actually fact on on the plants, and so that is when they are actually most risk particular there anywhere near radiators or anything like that. The ways around it could be putting them in a try standing try of gravel which is kept moist I suppose or paps squirting water at them now. And then, but I dearly try and keep the temperature down. So that they are not actually being biked and having the water son towns for them to so these. Probably a spare room or something like that. If you want to grow house plums, spare room at a lower temperature is probably better than a main living room. I would I would say. This must be why all of our grandparents had such beautiful, well, perhaps some exaggerating here. But I think are here. A lot of people saying oh, yes. My Nana room. I grandmother had a beautiful Christmas cactus. And I'm imagining back back in the day when we didn't have central heating in homes were generally or certainly nighttime any heating. There was was turned off perhaps these plants were happy back then to some extent because they weren't getting blasted by hot dry air all winter. And that's why why we had these magnificent plants from our grandparents generation, I think they lost better like that because they are under much less stress, and I have to say, although I to grow some of these still indoors all year round, most of them to benefit from being outside under trees and just exposed to the elements during the summer, and even the ones that don't I will try. And and manage their conditions. So they are not just getting two hundred any point. So yes, I think. As as people were growing them fifty years ago. Probably. Would be better for them than how many people trying to grow them nowadays, particularly in living rooms another question that came into Melissa was about artificial light and the Christmas cactus nothing. You kind of already alluded to this already. But Steve wanted to know about he's heard the artifice light will stop or limit the Christmas cactuses ability to flower. I've heard tales of not putting them in a window facing a street light to ensure full blue midge. I've heard that too. All don't have any extra light. After after the sun's gone down. Is it really that sense light sensitive that could make a difference? I don't know is easy on that one. I would say the because well the Christmas if we talk sorry about if we're talking about Schlumberger who's they flower in the autumn and the hybrids flower over the following few months, they shoot plans and about to start to appear as the days get shorter. So I would imagine the anything that mimics long days may inhibit or slow down production. That's that's fairly common in the number of different plants, but how sensitive any particular plan would be to any particular life. So I guess depends on what sort of life source it is. And how close it is the plans, I would have I would also say that windows. It was not actually always the best place for these things. Anyway, for reasons that we've discussed earlier, you're you certainly don't want to put them in a win on the window. So where they? They will get direct sun because they will roast. Yeah. The old. Bright indirect light might be might be applicable to these to these particular plants, no direct sun. But plenty of light isn't gonna Burnham is that is that about the length of I think so I turn right caution Lahser shade, and again sorts of conditions that people were giving them in cottages. And so on my main they continue to grow into quite big plants, but possibly quite lanky plants nowadays people don't necessarily have the space for for Christmas cactus this four or five feet across on their dining room table. So so there possibly a bit more light than that helps in that case. But very is this problem that bright lights, I'm possibly it's not the light itself. But the heat the results from from the bright light, particularly if they're near to a window play plane could could cause them to overheat, and then the stems will. Shrivel quite fast. Thanks much tomorrow. He'll be back next week to talk about other members of the EPA fitted cactus clan, including the wonderful rip solace. Now, it's time for question of the week, which comes from Allison Allison wants to know, why her mature spider plants has planners that are themselves. Putting out new plantlets? Will this grandmother in happen fervor, well enough, the term grandmother ring, not heard that one before chlorof- item commotion or the spider plant that much loved house plan, which I will be dedicating a whole episode to in the future is such a wonderful plan because partly because of his wonderful habit of putting out all of these stolen 's stolen, just a fancy word for plant stem runner. The kind of go sideways out of the pot as purse LeBron's if you've ever grown those and creates these baby plants, which are recently heard. Described as spider. It's what a great name. I want to be in a band called the spider. It's anyway, the plug puts out these babies, and as Alison has pointed out, sometimes the baby's have babies themselves. So a baby spider plant still attached. The main plant will then stock creating its own stole on and you'll get a plantlet aura spider. It's attached to another spider at attached to the parent plant. So Alison wants to know whether this is going to keep happening, and the author is quite frankly. Yes, it will keep happening until you've got this incredible chandelier of a spider plant with many many babies attached. And really the only limiting factor is when these start hitting the ground, I guess, you will get all the plot becomes too heavy. And that's probably the point when you need to start taking a few of these stolen Zoff, you'll find that. If you leave them on their long enough, they will develop their own root systems, these spider, spiders or plantlets before they're even. Put into reporting mix and once they've done that they really are simple to propagate, you can just snip off the store lawn and pot them up into some potting compost on their own, and they will go away nicely. If you find that you snip off planets without any roots. And they struggle the other thing you can do is feel apart with potting compost place it next to the parent plant and Pinna plant Lert still attached to the parent plant by the stole on into that part with say something like a paper clip, Yvonne, folded and turned into use shape pin that plantlet in there and allow it to grow on while still attached to the parent plant and getting nutrients from it wants us to Starbucks. You can then snip away stole on your usually find that if your plant is not producing any stole owns it probably means that it's got a lot of growing to do in terms of its own route ball and isn't quite ready to start reproducing yet. But these are very very generous plants with their vegetative propagation. So generally most plants will produce plantlets from quite a young age as I listen has seen with the platelets on platelets on planners. So these endlessly generous plants are wonderful if he can give the planets away to family and friends, please do so but don't feel bad also about him on the compost heap because let's face it. You could getting hundreds of baby plots of your spot applaud. If you've got a story about a spider plant you'd like to share for my spider plant special episode coming up, please drop be aligned over. You've got a question for on the ledge either way, I'm on the ledge podcast at g mail dot com. That wraps up this week show on off the boss cc in the glorious light of my new grow light about which should tell you more in future weeks. But for the moment plant people have a great week by. The music you heard in this episode was roll Jordan roll by the joy drops an instrument the voivode happy corner by some you'll Corwin and oh Mallory by Josh would the music was still pickles by the Heff, tone banjo orchestra all the music in this week show is licensed under creative Commons. 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Episode 80: houseplant trends in China, Thailand and Japan with Michael Perry

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Episode 80: houseplant trends in China, Thailand and Japan with Michael Perry

"It's on the ledge podcast with your host, Jane Perron. Yes, that's me. And it's episode eighty. This week. I'm talking to Mr. plant. Geek, that's Michael Perry about what he's learned from his travels in Asia. We'll be finding out how the Japanese mix house plants and outdoor plants to spectacular affect how much a six foot tall Denia will cost you in Thailand. And why the auction site tau is the place to buy succulents in China. And I've got the most incredible Rita question. Ever. I promise you this one will make your jaw drop. So stay tuned. Thanks to Doug. My new patron this week. He signed up patriot dot com to donate five dollars a month to help on the ledge keep going about gives him access to all the exclusive content on the patriot feed for on the ledge plus knee previews of what's coming up and lots more. If you think on the ledge is worth just over a dollar twenty five per episode. Then what did you subscribe to check out my show notes for details on how to do that? 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I've got my heated propagator up and running which has got some Zamin Okocha's raven cuttings in it warming up nicely. And I'll be starting some seed soon because the on the ledge Solon is on its way if you'd like some tips and tricks on where to buy some seeds, then to head along to house plant fans of on the ledge on Facebook where these kind of things. Discuss by are fanatical group of plant infused ES. It's a great place to be guaranteed. No drama. So please do join. If you haven't already just remember to art to the questions because card let you in unless you have answered all three questions. I can't emphasize that enough. And if you answer the third question by saying, I don't know then you definitely won't get in the third question asked, which is your favorite episode of on the ledge just to check the really are fan of the show before you're allowed to join right? That's housekeeping out of the way. So now on with the interview humane. Remember, Michael Perry from episode twenty three of on the ledge. I thought I'd get him back on the show because he's been traveling around China Japan and Thailand in the boss few months, and has some really interesting insights into house blonde. Coach there that I would love him to show you guys, you may know, Michael from his Ravi neatly. Trim bid his awesome plant tat. Twos or his regular parents is on the key VC shopping channel here in the UK and obvious cking him about that too. So settled back, and let's hear more about Michael's, incredible ventures. Hello. I'm Michael Perry. Also known Mr. plunk geek, I am crazy about lawns ever since. I was five years old. And I'm very lucky that I get to travel the world to discover new plants also see how different people governed in different cultures. Michael you all the globe-trotting Gardner. Just every time. I see you on social media, you're somewhere. Interesting in doing something amazing. Tell us about what you've been up to in the last few months where you've been because you've you've been all over the place have where if I being been in China, I've been in Thailand been in Japan, and I'm very lucky to have various kinds of pockets of work around the world and also a partner that gets posted to different locations. So of the last couple of years, he's been working in New York's I've been skipping across to America a lot. But now he's based in China. So then I get to stay in China kind of living like a local, which is very different when you visit somewhere for a week, and then come home, but also having that access to other Asian countries. So I've got some work in Japan. I've got some wet myself in China, but I also took myself off to Thailand for the weekend too. Big plant show as well. So yeah, I feel really seeing what people are doing with impo an outdoor plants in in Asia right now, which is super exciting. That is. Is so cool because we don't really hear a lot about that over here in the UK and in any North America. I think oftentimes we're quite insular go online, and you look from promotion about house plazas is the same kind of ten basic articles that you see floating about and I really want to know about what's going on in China and Thailand, Japan what what house plots they growing. What things are they doing differently from us? They seem to really appreciate you can tell that. They've always incorporated into the indoor planting style, you see a hell of a lot of Pau fos in shops, close stores electrical shops. You know, there's this kind of store on the high street with all sorts of appliances like washing machines fridges and on each one. There's a puff off in a decorative Paul. Because obviously, this is a problem that doesn't eat much lie isn't fussy about his growing conditions, but the Chinese see it's important to have their for the. Air purification kind of having plants around them so plants always incorporates in some way, kind of very in in that state with the Puffer quite boring plunk quite leafy plant. Seton see a lot of those, but you'll also sing of succulents now. And there's a psycho tau, which is like the EBay of China, and I been buying plants for the apartment over in China addicted to tau because you can find anything you on there, and the succulents you find on there super califa- and just presented in these lovely decorative containers, as well, I have to say look on how seen much more interesting decorative plants than I do in Europe. And they seem to be a lot better value as well. Because I guess in some ways you're getting them direct from the source. So I've been buying these lovely geometric containers lovely kind of desktop plants as well. One other thing that brilliant in China, especially in Xinjiang city is this shop could it's a wonderful life. And this is a show that is geared to kids. And it has this kinda kitty play area is kind of decorated like a forest, and it has these beautiful little wooden toys of ole different types, small ones big ones, but it has a section of plumps, and it's a section of plants the decorated and kinda presented in these wooden toys. So this is a plant shop get towards kids, which is incredible. Because there's I can send you some pitches off towards there's a pencil holder, which is a little frog made of wood which is absolutely beautiful and it's space for Plum in the top. So they're selling this whole were fear ready for the kid's bedroom to go on their desk to help them study encourage them and really cooperating plants in the toys for kids, which is brilliant. And they've got fairy dogs as well. Well, I actually brought back a bunch of them as presents for some of my friends hearing Europe's I I brought back about ten minutes plants, which only costs about one pound fifty eight in there in these tiny self watering containers, tiny tiny cactus, and it just beautiful and brought the move away China via Poland to UK. So any kind of spiritual associations with certain plants over here. We were seeing, you know, lucky bamboo things is that actually genuine thing. Or is that just something we've kind of made up in the west really isn't lucky tree the Chiro ya. You know, the one that's got the placid stem. You will see that a lot of time in people's apartments. And they've bought that. Because it good luck. You know, so that can be the the kind of money tree equivalent that they use. But also, they have a real kind of perspective that we that. We only just. Kind of gaining here. I believe because like I said the Puffer is all of the different stores in there's usually plans incorporated in some way in a home. You know, kind of it's a consideration as much as, you know, having a tear in the corner of the room. So they do consider puns, which is sewn is to say, and you know, I've spent time inside the Chinese families home, and I've seen kind of you know, surreal as well. Yeah. They kind of appreciate the minimum day today. And perhaps we we do quite yet. He talked about this children's shop, but other kind of BT Kaos plunked shops where people mainly buying the house plants in in China. Yeah. They tend to be not necessarily house pumps shops from in the florist, the florist tend to have a very good selection of housebound in decorative containers. And and very often ones that they punted up themselves that there's one that I used to work poss- most days when I was in China, and the awesome. And I I couldn't resist buying taught nearly. Nearly every other day because they had these lovely trays of succulents and all of these of mixed containers. And and very often quite unusual little things there as well. And and they're relatively cheap you so can probably two pounds for small succulent. And I think the pri- gone way way above that here in the UK. Now, the other thing I've seen a couple of times and actually bought from is kind of caught that goes down the street so guys selling Plum off a cop. So he's literally got this kind of wagon loaded up with plants and brings it pasta may have a little bit of browse. And then issue this, really. Yeah. It's kind of like a Greengross if upon. That's mine. Retirement plan. I'm going to buy, you know, like, I know to CV or something to Seve and set off round the streets K selling house bonds door to door that she. New york. That's you know, two maybe two house on. Yeah. Really, great punch up in Brooklyn. They during the summer have kind of van that they open the side of it looks like an ice cream van and they're selling phones. Maybe he will do that sounds amazing. Yeah. That's interesting. That sounds really great Thailand. Tell me about what you saw in Thailand, I was imagining that a lot of the house plans that come that that aboard in that part of the world come from Thailand seems to be a huge center for house. Plant breeding. What did you real hope of kind of new house new breeding, and they kind of have more of a obsession with pumps and different plants variegated leaves? And yeah, it was it's a flower show that I've been trying to go to for a couple of years, and I even had a ticket book. They're a couple of seasons ago, but didn't get round to it. But and some I think it was cool. It's just the king Rama pop pump there. It was on in Bangkok. And and oversee because I was just in China sunny a two hour flight. So was the same as jumping on the Ryanair flight to rough to them or Amsterdam so super easy, but myself and went to this plunge show, and it was absolutely amazing on the the plants. I saw that. I just can't even compute was just gossiping, you know, every stand and go so many photos, I've barely even managed to go through or identify because it's quite hard to identify some of the fun because they will cool it then local name, and you know, all of these reasons necessarily use lactate. So you alone name in Thailand. And there's quite a language barrier in these places as well. And of course, you could use Google translate to someone older coffee, but how do you talk to someone about a Plum in the name of translate that doesn't work? So you kind of you have this mutual appreciation that you. But clunky, very coaches languages and just kind of. Mel sweetly each other. Over sweet. But oh my gosh. Oh, I oversee send you some of these pitches and send you the links to an obstacle wrote my website. But really, oh, where do I saw water lilies in all of these lovely exotic blues pinks miniature ones for indoor growing as well and Dunia MHz, which is a Plum that we don't grow much in the UK because it does need a very very sunny windowsill. But in Thailand, they grow some of those of very off with the double flowers denim colored one the black ones, and then was there was one there that was the CEO, which was about six foot across six up. So that can you imagine this big heavy roots have monster with these lovely desert rose flowers on the bright vivid thing, and it was I think it costs something like two hundred thousand ball, which is I think about oh, maybe five thousand pounds of something like that. We'll have to really check that car. See conversion? But it was oh my God. It was a show piece was amazing. What else there was something that I saw a lot of which. Oh, I should've looked before. It's what it is. But you know, that Plum which is kind of a new bit like the, but it kind of has a lace of gun that trails and looks like a monkey puzzle tree. And it's a new. Cool. Hang on. I'm googling googling. It begins. The d j. Got some an it's the name's escaping me as well. I'll look it up all inserts, very hopeful. It will come in. I'll use the magic of editing to insert the name after the fact. Does cool, but he's very cool plump because there's seen trailing. But they don't sell it in a hanging basket bacilli in a pulse, which has basically a hole in the books of the post is growing out of the center. The pop, you know, you know, we saw in the UK a few scenes because he's upside down to Moscow contains anchor them in pots like that. And I'm not too. So why I wonder if they quite happy been little bit more west at the roots? Because of course, you'd worry about drainage, but they seem to have developed ups down containment to grow these in which is really fantastic that could just plan after that thinking of all kids tapped lands, lots of golden Raynaud kids, you know, the yellow one chain link go just ones of those. I could've bought sign many things, but I just bought one Trump to then type back to China, which was a hernia, you know, the like the Palios with the little alien. Flowers. So I the one that's most like an alien and cost me twenty which is like way less than a pound. And I snuck it in my luggage brought that back to China. So that was then posted up and and join of the fifty house blondes, which my partner is looking after for the next couple of months, and I'm sending him regular instructions on what to do. Yeah. He's doing quite well, so I'm whenever any we will obsessed with monsters and Philadelphians would they release of different monsters that you saw that because I carefully I tie in scrim people on this seem to be, you know, many many monster Taikang solutions was there. Anything else knew that you saw in that line of our roads. Well, not so many monsters, but there was enough arrow around. I mean, there was a lot of but furniture was kind of you know, occasional stole. There was perhaps one one in twenty of the SOS was. Pure foliage. But they've been looking at how is in lots of different ways, and what they did have in college with the dams protons. And I never said this one out loud before I know I. Nima? I would say you need me. That's right. Incredible. And that she has almost I think it was a mini Mini's lower show of the back of plump market where people were showing that brand new breeds today and Agla no is and also caladiums as well. And of course, coasting Supra colorful, and they've got very very new varieties with multi-colored foliage, and it was really past it. It sounds like a dream scenario. There was also lots of you phobia, one that has a big flower milliard million if will be minute responding them. Yeah. And they select to those to have less fines, but big a flower. We my end up looking like some busy Lizzie is really amazing many different types. They're honestly there was some stuff that cactus succulents, some very very tiny cactus where in tiny containers. And they almost like in miniature, and I remember these very delicate labels that were victims of the tiniest text as well. And I love these pictures because it really was the ultimate experience for a house lover it really was torture. So because you need couldn't actually have it all to limit your purchases to one on. So like in China where I knew I could take back the apartment and grow them. And that was fine. I was buying all the time ordering off towel Val buying from the local florists. But in Thailand knew it would be difficult to buy things. So I kinda switched my mind off to the fact that I might buy anything. So. Yeah, obviously, I'm very sad. Didn't get it. I hate myself who is it would have been a not. I'm not one little I brought back. Hopefully that will give me a flower in the next year. Good listening. Inspire. You to start something new with audible, you get access to unbeatable selection of audio books, including bestsellers motivation mysteries thrillers, memoirs and more audible has the largest selection of audio books on the planet and right now, I'm listening to the movie year by Catherine swift a memoir that gives a wonderful account of one woman struggles and joys as she carves out her very own garden. You can listen to audible on any device anytime anywhere at home. Jim will while you'll looking after your plants, you'll also enjoy easy audiobook exchanges rollover credits and Norio put library you keep forever? Even if you cancel so feel thirty day free trial. Go to audible dot com slash on the ledge or text on the ledge to five hundred five hundred and listen for a change audible the most inspiring minds. The most compelling stories the best place listening. Get started with your thirty day trial by Goto, audible dot com forward slash on the ledge text on the ledge to five hundred five hundred and listened for a chain. The neither Russ could remember the name. Well, my best guess is that it's the Leica podium, squirrel Roussum or Tassell fern, which we talked about back in episode fifty six with James Wong and that huge Edina. Yes. Michael's currency conversion was about. Right. Two hundred thousand That Baht equals about four thousand eight hundred pounds that six thousand three hundred dollars. Well, done Mico. We'll hit more for my little bit later. But now it's time for that. Jaw-dropping question of the week. All I have never heard a question like this one before, but it came in on Twitter this week from AMI. And and I was so flummoxed that I've really had to share this with you guys. So here goes it all started off on remarkable enough. A question from AMI about her plant hundred seen had had the top knocked off it in an accident. And she wanted to know whether it was gone. Re-grow that was fine. We all answered that questions Feddie straightforwardly. But then she owes me about peace. Lease. She writes, I have one in my living room and for months, I've been hearing a random hissing from it. I have a small one upstairs now on the same thing. Did you ever experience that annoy responded? Well, that's a new one on me. I can only imagine it something living in your plant. I also feel more questions about how this was happening was happening when the plums being boarded, but she says, no just randomly. I'll be sitting watching TV and just hear the loud Hissen, and LeBron's shake. She has said that he's going to try to get this on video. And I'm so fascinated to know exactly what's going on here. She has said that he's found one of the person he reports the same problem. So what do we think guys? Well, my first port of call was to post a message on house plant fans on the ledge to see if you guys had any suggestions on there. And you had loads of suggestions. From a snake a gas leak radiata pipe burst hearing aid on the blink Mary reported that she had a call occasion that made a pup putting noise when she watered it, maybe something to do with water in the plant or the soil, your lots of people reporting that when you water plants, particularly those with a lot of pumice or similar in this oil that they make a some kind of noise, but not necessarily a hissing sound and Anees reported that she had a plant hissed her once and it turned out. There was a small snake in the bottom container part of the self watering pot and Elissa told me that she had time plan that spent some row. Doors, and when she was in the cat would sit on top of it and inspected for hours after I'd water. It's I dumped it out and lo and behold, there was a sizeable night crueler living inside the root ball. It was moving around every time. I wanted it in the cat could hear it. I suspect something may be living in that person's port. I just had to go night crawler because I wasn't exactly sure what it is. But it it's basically type of laws worm. So that could be a possibility if you've got any suggestions for AMI or indeed if you have a spy fulfilling that likes to his Jew and shake its branches Harwood love to hear from you hope solve this problem. I'll have taken this one seriously, even though I had initial suspicions. It was a wind up because I'm he did seem very sincere. So who knows what's going on here? I would suggest that army certainly takes the plot out of the pot and has a really good examination of to check. There isn't anything living inside because I really can't believe that. It's actually. The plot itself that's moving that just doesn't sound logical to me. But I love to hear your thoughts about this one. And as ever if you've got a mystery Mon stra Kulefa that's going little bit Cray Cray or a pepperoni ah in need of some pampering. Then do get in touch. The best way is to be aligned at on the ledge podcast gmaiLcom with some pictures and details of what's going wrong. And I will de my best to help. Now, let's his more from Mr. plant. Geek, Michael Perry. I asked Michael to get his crystal ball out and figure out what trends from China, Japan and Thailand, we will likely to see being transferred to the western house plant market in the next few months of the trendy, but it would be very difficult for us to grow. So you know, Crotone 's and hell Adams off awful how because they really need a lot of they need humidity trend I would love to see here. But I don't think he would ever be practical. And and of course, here we can sell those. But, you know, people need to be able to grow them to get success. So maybe not those I think a lot of the taxes the very colorful succulents, the very pastoral colored succulents like is that very popular in China right now thinking of Japan because I was there for a couple of weeks barrack for gardening school back in September. And some. Something I tend to do, and I it for many years, but it seems news what is the mixing of house plants with outdoor punks. So they will have a hanging bulbs kit. Which is you know, Alison labile our air is busy. Lizzie got married goes. But it's also addressing try to cancer or clarify fight aplomb, which is that great marriage has been door an outdoor because of course, you know, a lot of our house parts can be used outside in summer. One often used them betting phone or to your phone, you know, 'cause it gives you that extra so in a very different shades, and you know, spied upon fantastic and hanging baskets outside. You know, it makes them bright scarlet rent disease. You know? So I kind of let that kind of blending trend in Japan. I would say I think in Thailand really was about the exotics. And so that we could try and grow and those that we would lost off, but probably any gains on TS. And China the thing that really stands out from China is the different colored succulents on how. But also the range of containers. Don't always feel like we get access to the nicest out containers here in Europe. You know, there's a lot of rainy funky designs there, they've got again, I'll send you some pitches, but almost like room dividers, which you complain plums in, you know, almost like you see in the library know is a divider, which is in the talk, but they've got some really lovely contemporary designs with that, very lovely modern style. And like I said geometric punches so much different kind of styling that they kind of seen maybe in Europe. And then copied it and almost kind of you know, turned up a little bit better. So yeah, that would be the my hot shots from Asia. Let's also have a little chat about your role. TV? See I never. I've never really bought anything from QVC. It's a shopping channel on the telly, isn't it? That's that's basically an you. Have this amazing show? You've taken over from the gardening legend, Richard Jackson. I believe and tell me about what she do on this show believably. It's more than just saying. Here's a poise five nine thousand nine, but she you're actually offering gardening tips and info how how does it work, and what's your kind of audience like? It's really fun. And of the started back lost season more intensively than and bringing incline. You would into that the audience was traditionally, you know, you kind of fifty five to sixty five female office, but we're bringing in a very new audience with a range of interesting and a bit of extra kind of how to as well. So when you think of the concept of QVC, you know, some people might think a little bit cheesy, but what actually gives you is an opportunity to sell especially Plum with four minutes of live navato narrative or even more which is getting guns off the naval. So we can really explain the plan talk about where it could be used. Maybe give you a bit of a story. The history behind that. Also give you those first tips getting the best of the Plum. And of course, the show is you know, neatly curated with customer favorites brand new items tools as well. So. Does that can help make the as the? Garden decorations kind of got Joe rain, which may or may not be your taste. Of course, everyone. Everyone comes in very different way. Some people say to me sometimes oh, man. There's things you had on the weekend awful. But like, I can appreciate I'm, you know, I have to like everything I'm selling because I the my style, my different view style. Or, you know, very, yes, I'm kind of, you know, mature enough to realize that and we're also trying to have more and more gardening tips to make a more rounded show. But of course, at the end of the day is selling show. So that editorial is then still get to recommending approach to you. But of course, that product is something that would make it easier for you or something that we would recommend walking down, you know, highstreet somewhere in the UK and had some go. Oh. Now, you'll the fast. No, maybe a couple of times. But to be honest in the UK, I really noticed that people are always very like kind of shy of probably more likely send your message afterwards and say, oh, so you into. Kind of semi still key way. But I I always noticed the difference in America because I did a couple of seasons on HSEN TV channel there. And when I went along to light trade show in the summer. Everyone was like, oh, yeah. You're the guy off do are. And they kind of run up to me and talk to me, and I don't think recognize more in America. But people would just more upfront about him. More coincidence today, say Hello. Though is kind of the different. But you know, it's very. You know, there's a lot of stuff that happens on TV, very transactional show wherever you then meet someone in the street the recognize from is quite to me. It's quite John's. Yeah. I don't know. I guess it's no an avenue I've ever really thought about. But that's interesting peop- thoughts one another avenue where people buying plant. So, you know, going back to what you were saying about tau an EBay. That's really come forward as a way that people buy plans also things like et. See it's constantly changing. Isn't it the way that people are doing these doing getting hold of these days volving? It really does impact on the things that people are looking for we now know what is happening in Thailand to some extent through through social media. And so people are saying, yes, I want that unusual Chinese evergreen, I want that unusual monster, and I'm going to do everything I can get hold of it. Whereas I think in the past in the hands of the grow is kind of saying you're going to have this which is which can only be a good thing. Although it is deeply frustrating for those of us who then desperately want that that agian Eva with camouflage type variation could pick them. Everyone wants that. And Where'd you get it? You can't get it. So it can be frustrating. But I think the end that kind of pressure coming from UK, and and of a growers will force nurseries to actually sort of start propagating these things, I guess the the problem happens when? You know, something becomes really trendy light the Chinese money plant, and then nursery spending longtime propagating it, and then the market's flooded as it kind of is now with that plot everywhere in the prices dropped. I get that old thought supplant from time to time. But it, but I am I mean, you trade says the same as I do. And it's great those trade shows that they have picked up on the trend. You know, maybe a little bit too late some, but you know, you'd see what these there's a couple of great supplies. I know like profit Planeta you've ever seen them their regret wholesaler, and they go some amazing the new house, boxing it when with them. I I saw the raindrop pepperoni a- as well. You know, the kind of big brother of the pancake long. And it's just. Yeah. Brilliant that they really got their finger on the pulse of some of that stuff and responding to them. Okay. Anything else? Exciting. You've got coming up. You want to tell us about oh allergic things over the car, really? Dari which has just been out in the last few minutes packed all the way up to mate. So yeah. Cause some projects going on one. I might chat to you about soon actually off. Yeah. Just kind of really continuance being embassador for plunk and gardening and just getting people to have a go and not be scared of plants, and even if you experiment with upon it dies because little bit wrong. It's no always about you. You know, people always take very personally living creatures. You know, they're not necessarily going to perform the way that we want them to just be patient with yourself and just just some of it. And no one out. There is judging us about it. Very harsh on our cells when things go wrong, but you know, really, I think most people are just a lot of people impressed. If you can keep applying alive for a month. You know, it's it's it's it's one of those things where you to kind of give yourself a break sometimes say, okay, it's going wrong. Find it. Strange the way the people was looking at the house as keeping them alive. Ready to me is very negative way of approaching my keeping a lot. But this kind of desperate kind of oh, my go- show McCall actually just kind of like helping to live or kind of caring for it would be a much Conaway approaching it, you know, tonight. I hear you. Oh my gosh. It's the end of the world is gonna die. You know, actually just for like. Well, that's another on the ledge foot cost done and dusted. I'll be back next Friday with more fun and frolics in the world of house blown T stuff. Hope you enjoyed this week show. And if you did not think about telling a friend about on the ledge all maybe leaving me review on your part, at of choice, whatever this week brings I hope that all of your piece lease remain peaceful. And no hissing is involved. Take is. Bye. The music. You heard this week's episode was roll Jordan roll by the joy drugs whistling Rufus by the halftime banjo orchestra and overthrown by Josh would all licensed under creative Commons. See my website. Jane Perron dot com for details.

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