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Jane Goodall wins 2021 Templeton Prize

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Jane Goodall wins 2021 Templeton Prize

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Jerome powell addresses this at a climate conference today. Here's marketplace's and dealer the extent to which the us federal reserve should be involved in climate change policies controversial christina's skinner at the wharton. School says boils down to whether the fed's policies or reactionary europe. The fed is on the offensive if there's a climate shock or a disaster. The fed can adjust monetary policy to try to mitigate loss. What's says it can't do or things like using its balance sheet to go out into the world and by green bonds to try and direct the flow of capital in that direction. is not really on the table like is for some other central banks in some countries. Central banks can take that kind of action but the us financial system just isn't set up that way caroline shell hornets. Saint joseph's university says the fed though has to recognize that it doesn't create monetary policy in a vacuum depend on each other. 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I'm the person to ask okay. So what's the plan. I wrote a book on that subject about a thousand years ago. Which brings us this morning to. Jane goodall the world expert on chimpanzee social behavior. She's won the twenty twenty one templeton prize honoring people whose work explores the intersection of science and spirituality. The templeton prize comes with one and a half million dollars more. Even than the nobel. I spoke with goodall via zoom from the uk. Dr goodall thinks for doing this. Thank you for inviting me a first of all. Congratulations well yes. It was a real surprise. You know knowing all the different people who have this prize in the past. But i will say that the financial price that comes with it will really help to father. Some of our programs with the jane goodall institute part of your institute has a youth oriented program. What's the idea. Maybe helping to set up an endowment. I will the routine jude program. I began in nineteen ninety-one main messages. Each one of us makes an impact on the planet every single day. And we get to choose. What sort of impact we make and tim. Sixty eight countries growing all the time and so the the money i mean some events now struggling roots and shoots program in greece and some of it for nepal because of covid nineteen though dr goodall. You're probably going to tell me you have no plans to retire but personal finance experts. Keep telling us we need to plan for our later years. Please tell me you're gonna use at least a bit of the prize money to help with your own financial security so the little bit of money. I have helped my grandchildren into college. It helps young tanzanians stayed through high school. So it's very good to top up. And i suppose that will help my old age. I'm not going to retire until mc now goodall who's eighty eighty-seven told me that she'd been chatting with a previous winner of the templeton prize. So i said what did you do with your money. He said just that he said well. They told me to put some of it aside for my retirement. Now you haven't been able to travel. I don't think during this terrible year that we've just been enduring with pandemic. but how have you been faring in getting your message out during a time when you can't really be there in person. Well i have to say that. I was frustrated. Angry then i feel. Let's not helping. Anybody is not helping me. And so we created virtual. Jane and i have to say that. You'll jane has been busier than i've ever been in my entire life. I'm sometimes about full countries in the single day. Jane goodall renowned scientists primatology conservationist winner of the twenty twenty one templeton prize. Dr goodall so much. Thank you made much now. That program out of the jane goodall institute called roots and shoots works in nearly a hundred countries link on our website or could place dot org. I'm david brancaccio. Marketplace morning report from apm american public media.

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Jane Goodall

Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

1:23:36 hr | 3 months ago

Jane Goodall

"Welcome welcome welcome armchair expert. I'm dan sheppard. This is a very very exciting episode for me. If you've heard the show you nominee anthropology major talk about it ad nauseam and of course the queen of anthropology well margaret. Mead's up there. But jane goodall my goodness jane goodall. What a human being. Jane goodall is. She is a primatology. An anthropologist and an advocate for the environment animals and the natural world for the last thirty years. Jane has been focused on biodiversity protection fighting the climate crisis addressing intensive farming empowering young people through youth program roots and shoots and so much more. She also has a new podcast. The jane goodall hope cast so. Please check out. Jane's new podcasts. Jane goodall hope cast enjoy the queen of prime mentality. We are supported by top gear. America i just got in the door from utah where we were shooting. More top gear america. We jumped a trx and excessive distance. 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We've been attempting to schedule this for a while. I think you're going to speak at ucla. My alma mater. And we were going to speak in person which i was excited about. But i'll take you anyway. I can get you okay. I was hoping today we could go through all the stuff. You're up to that. You're working on your podcast. Jane goodall institute roots and shoots. But if it's okay with you. I would really hope to frame this in a broader theme of being female. I think today that's very relevant thing for us to be looking at how a female perspective can be so helpful why there should be more leadership roles for women and the value of that and i can't imagine someone more significant in that way than you. I think you're in the ruth bader ginsburg mount rushmore of women who have really put their stamp on the world. You reject that you know. Like being compared to her she is such an icon. Yeah i hate to break its use. Oh are you yeah. Well okay so when you started your work i think nine hundred fifty seven may be the first time you go to gumby to study no nine nineteen fifty seven. I went to kenya. Met louis leakey. And then i had to go back to the uk for a year while he found the money because soon. I haven't been to college right. Who was going to give money to this. Young untrained girl do something as absurd. This study chimpanzees in a forest. Yeah not a lot of people you could have pointed to to say. Hey look how good this works but yes you went back. You went to cambridge. I think you are the eighth person ever to get a phd without having an undergraduate degree. Which i think is fascinating. I am curious how many there are now but when you started very very male dominated field is that safe to say. Well yes and no i mean there was almost nobody going out studying animals in the wild the world three people and they were all males in a job. Challenge was studying montenegro. Rela and there were two american men in south africa studying chakma. But that was it. Oh okay well the thing that you were unique in novel in in that you got a ton of criticism for can i just say one thing. I'm going to tell you. I was an anthropology major. So i worship to you and i wanted to do primatology. Just know that there's a lot of baggage for my love for you in this but my understanding is that you were really the first person to be doing any thalji where you were not naming the subjects numbers so generally when people studied animals prior to you they would just say one a one b whatever their nomenclature was in. You're really the first to name them in recognize their personalities remember. I hadn't been to college when i first went out. Louis leakey might mental. He's the one who picked me for this study. And he wanted a woman that was one key thing he wanted to woman. He felt they might be more patient in the field. So that was one good thing for me and secondly he wanted somebody who hadn't been to college because he wanted a mind uncluttered by the reductionist thinking of the animal behavior people of the time so there was nobody out in the field on the numbers were given by most of these people to the animals in labs and animals in captive situations. So the reason i named the mobile wouldn't i. It's just not true to give an animal a name not a number. Uh yeah well really quick about louis. Do you think maybe his confidence in you. And the other two women that he shepherded through diane fossey who then went and studied gorillas and then i can't pronounce her name who did orangutans t galdikas. Yes do you think. Maybe he was in a position to feel that way. 'cause his own wife was so prolific as an archaeologist and they had made discoveries together. Do you think that made him more open minded to that. It's quite possible. I don't know. I haven't thought of that. Before will is possible. I think that in general the criticism for you naming them was. You're kind of displaying. Amphitheater and empathy was the opposite of objectivity which sciences going for that was the singular kind of criticism. And i have to say that sounds very very similar to the outmoded male position that women in general are too emotional and not objective their emotional not logical and that to me the critique of you is more than what's on the surface at that time well it's absolutely true that when i got to cambridge big criticism was you cannot have empathy with your subject. You got to be objective and the snow space for having empathy and i disagreed so much because when you have empathy with your subject may do something extraordinary. She'll have empathy you you you say to yourself well. I think i know why they did that. And then then you can put on your scientific now jacomb say okay without. Let's prove am i right or am i wrong and ask questions. I listened to your interview. With dave matthews. Which by the way is a thrilling friendship that you guys have on your podcast. The jane goodall hope casts and you gave the example of seen. A young chimp break her arm and then go to her mother. I think you're describing was when this little baby broke her arm and she was the first baby and the mother was inexperienced so every time the baby cried which obviously it was very painful. The mother just hugged her title which made her cry louder. So but you know all those many examples of chimpanzees showing true altruism to each other like an adult male. Rescuing an often infant is even related to him and saving his life. Yeah but the point. I loved you made is yes. I had these emotions. I was heartbroken for this inexperienced mother. But my notes are as thorough as notes could be. It is as objective as one can be one doesn't preclude the other and i think that was such a novel idea. You're absolutely right. It was tears. Were pouring down my face because this baby was named little jane she was the only one who's fb named for me and you know. She was three months old at that time. We didn't watch many infants. Growing up sues about the fifth. I think it was just tragic. It was the mother and such confusion. The baby so badly hud was nothing we could do. So i'm going to go even further with this. I would argue that your novel approach of having empathy. Open your eyes in a way that someone studying them even for the same duration that you studied them they would have missed things they would not have been open because they were this other. This animal this lower thing that they would have missed the parallels argue ear enormous contribution the legendary contribution is that you discovered that chimpanzees use tools. That was thought to be something. Only humans could do in in a great definer of what made us human and you demonstrated that and you kind of destroyed that fantasy. Yes and also we were supposed to be the only creatures to have personality. The only creatures have minds capable of problem solving and especially the only creatures with the emotions and you know. I was tortoise. A child by my dog of course animals have personalities minds and emotions. It's ridiculous when the scientists told me that when i got to cambridge i really wanted it. They really believe what they were saying. Or was it just. They couldn't prove it that it's better not talk about other tint. Have a whole theory on. Why haven't i think it serves an actual purpose to alleviate ethical issues with how they're treated but before we get there you could also say they have culture as well which is something we would have thought was only ass right absolutely. Ah dense culture if you look at one population versus another. They have their own unique set of things. They've learned in our passing on traditions. And all these things that certainly meet the definition of culture behavior you passed from one generation to the next through observation imitation and practice that is a definition of human culture. But when i first mentioned culture. I didn't have any other examples really. But it just seemed intuitively of course as you see the baby's what chain than in other places where i heard there was banging open nuts with rocks which gumby chimps still do the young ones. They're learning that so kusak coaches. I was given so much flack over that you cannot talk about culture. Yeah so. I think the fact that you were naive enough having been in college and then again i really think it has a lot to do with you being a woman in that situation that you were empathetic and that through that we get some of the greatest discoveries about that species and i really do think other people would have missed it. I think you're right that many people would i really do. And you know. I've been reading in. The shadow of manifest book wrote about the golden beecham's. It's going to be one chapter a month and it just took me right back. I was reading and thinking every detail is that it was magic to read what i was learning about their different personalities amid was just magical to see. How did it back then now is the person is jane. The person there had to terrible days in the field. There had to be incredible loneliness at times. You're in your twenties. There was not you deserve your head. Being alone is very different from being lonely. And i've always loved being alone. I mean even. When i was a child i would climb the tree out there because i'm in my family and spend ages alone up into branches. I got with my dog onto the clifftops on my own and they were quite wild in those days. So i've always loved being alone. The only time. I was a little bit lonely you know. My mother came with me start. Well again. I really quick. I think that's hysterical as well. That's another male female thing you're twenty four and they insist your mother joined you. That wouldn't have happened to a mail sciences. Now they did. That's not true. They did not insist. My mother join me. Said i couldn't be out in the field on my own. Okay okay and she volunteered to come okay. And it was amazing. People say i was brave. I wasn't brave was what i wanted to do. She was you know she was left alone. With these big booms invading ten because they are very entrepreneurial and they quickly grabbing it thing. That might be a new food buffalo's wandering around snakes spiders. She was brave one and she was a novelist. Yeah well she wrote a couple of books. Okay that's two more than i've written. So i'm gonna caller novelist so obviously had her own set of determination as all in pointing out a determined person. The whole family said the time you're lonely. Yeah yet when she first left just before i saw to using an i really missed having somebody to share the excitement with i have this cook and a guy driving the boat and they listen. They were interested but it didn't mean as much to them as it would have to Yeah i mean why wouldn't the chimps use tools. of course they weren't high fiving each other when you discovered that they were getting termites out now. There was no period. Where of course. Because i'm trapped in my own point of view in as much as i may have been interested in that. Were you ever at any moment going while. But i'm also missing out on this huge human experience. I could be in london. Having drinks with friends did that ever enter your mind. Were you ever concerned about what you are quote missing. Absolutely absolutely not okay. Although i've been very social before i left you know i wasn't a little shy retiring creature. I was out there having fun going to dawn and things like that. I didn't miss it. I didn't miss it because you are so focused in so fulfilled by this. Pursuit was there in the forest. Only magic of the forest around myth and learning new things every day and will these amazing chimpanzees. the different way of doing things complete matching now for those of the listeners. Who aren't super familiar with. Just what level of threat different. Primates are your arguably with the most dangerous when you agree dangerous. Yeah chimpanzees as compared to say guerrillas or other big great apes gorillas can lose that temper this young man who is studying chimpanzees in congo and he was attacked ferociously by a male gorilla. Who obviously just ted a confrontation with another male. He was mad and this guy survived. I simply don't know temps can be violent. They're all strong so yes chimpanzees these with each other. They can kill each other. It's lucky they didn't want to kill me. Yes let me. Just say from a personal point of view. I have trekked up to the guerrillas. I felt pretty safe. And then we also went into a force on the hunt for chimpanzees and there were a lot more rules and it was taken much more seriously like this has odds of going bad for more than the guerrilla experience would. That's probably because of the people running the program okay. I'll blame them but as you point out. They're incredibly strong four times stronger than a full grown adult. Human eight times stronger than me. I'm sure very strong. And they can be very very violent and whether scary moments. Yes there were. Oh yeah but none that ever made you rethink or question. What you're gonna do. No of course. Not i gotta. I couldn't let louis leakey down. Could i no no. No no no that someone's approval. I would certainly be in search of you. Always have that obstinate disposition going through life or did it sort of come when you had this passion. I think i probably always had it. Yeah i think you're born with that or not. yeah you were for. I have pretty bad dose of it. Can i ask you while you were watching chimpanzees over these many many years. How were the male female roles chimpanzees similar to our own. And how are they different. And was that something that interested you. I was interested in everything. What i loved was watching. Mother child behavior development of infants relations with brothers and sisters but the males have dominant. They have dominance hierarchy they dominate all females. And they're very promiscuous which caused some people to draw not all monogamous and so basically in female comes into eastern. When she's ready for mating she may be made by all the males when off to the other the various sexually popular old female flow was mayton. Seven t two times in one day why sewers privy exhaust to the g. She was followed by this string of males and they adolescence. Who don't really get go. They will hide behind a bush and shake a little branch and sometimes the female will look at the alpha male and then creep off behind the bush and is it. There's even evidence. I remember writing a paper called lying in primates. In how they'll also give a call like that. There's perhaps a predator in the area so that all the alpha's run towards it and then they get a shot at the female while the alpha's are out. I think that sort of thing happens sometimes too but mostly that happens when for example chimps hunt sometimes and hunting is a very exciting thing so if the top male sometimes shows possessiveness and other males are not supposed to make his female that happens often but if the alpha male gets distracted and is looking at the hunt bats when the other males run in gas you go and if the alpha male the possessive male catch them. Who do you think he attacks. All i saw that girl for the female up. Yeah that's pretty. That's kind of consistent humans. Yeah yeah if he attacked the male to female it would run often. Have more fun. I didn't think of creating another window of opportunity. So i have a question for you. Does it correlate perfectly with sexual die. Morphism like is the level of male dominance proportional to how much bigger males are than females in species semi between chimps and bonobos male. Bonobo is more or less the same size as the female. And you don't get the same system of sexual relations. And bonobos is well they have a much broader sexual experience than pan. Troglodyte is right. They're doing more things. That female bonobo is having this pink swelling all the time so they solve a lot of disputes through sexual behavior and females reassure each other by rubbing their sexual swellings together. So i was so glad to louis. Leakey didn't send me to study them. Because the geographic would never have supported. They couldn't in those days of had will these pink bottoms off a wonderful photograph in the gets the second geographic article which should obeyed an at c. Sixty nine think and photograph taken by my husband hugo so wonderful photo five males sitting in a row that all of it'll roused looking at the camera has slightly out and always these big erections hard voting off missed little strange missed loin levels. He captured the perfect moment. You know those days. There was no photo shopping. And i saw note to the engraver. Blend in two for blend of graphic was than even when photograph. It's lovely those setting sun and up against you know a beautiful evening light. And i'm holding the walkie talkie to send a message to my mother who's down to tell her. I'm staying up for the night. And i get back. This picture with the note to the grave around each nail is circling since removed from nails. Oh you're kidding. Wow not a while. oh man well. Let's change change now. Of course because i mail i had a particular interest in frodo almost looked like a silverback. He was so disproportionately muscular. I was fascinated by him. Did you name him after frodo baggins was. That's before i realised his personality was entirely. Not like i say that he did not live up to the name frodo baggins frodo was as flynn was before him in this dominant at family. He was a spoilt brat. Older brother who supported him a older sister who supported him a top-ranking mother of so he could get away with murder. I mean he could attack and tease a much older individuals knowing that his family would run the his support and he became a real bully. Yeah and he was enormous. He was considerably bigger than most the other males wasn't he not really big because he had so often his risley cash he was most solid. Very solid built. Yeah so no we met. You are empathetic and that you are not trying to deny whatever emotional feelings could you come to hate any of them like would you be frustrated with frodo. Did act like such a spoiled brat so often and of course his victims are other. Chimps you love. Of course i was mad at him was mad when they did things which were really unpleasant. Horrible i mean. I think of them like humans ryan thorough people. Who do things that irritate you or make you angry. Same that the chimps. Yeah but it would be hard for me if i was in that position to try not to correct behavior versus just observing. No if were in the position you wouldn't feel that tool for one thing. If you tried to intervene in something like that that would be the end of you. Oh yeah well. I might get myself. He was a monster. I mean he was so strong and violent at times. So the very ironic part of your life has to occur to you is that you went deep into a jungle and you're entirely anonymous and at some point you emerge in your a world figure. I think that must be one of the most bizarre trajectories to being recognized the world over most people. Come to hollywood where we're at to get that kind of recognition but you went deep into the jungle and that transition for you. Is it confusing natural. What is that experience. Well when it first happened. I was even now basically shei-pa and first of all all these journalists wanting to interview me and i tried to get out of it and then i remember the first time somebody coming up to me when i was walking through santa fe actually and this woman came up and she started tears in her eyes. Saying you know she actually said. Can i touch you. Can i touch you. This is spooky this issue. I said i'll shake your hand. And so the beginning you know people would come up in airports need oneself fees and could i sign something and at first i was really i hated it. I put on dark glasses. And let my hair down. But it still don and then i thought well by this time. I'm trying to raise awareness. I'm trying to raise money for the institute trying to develop our youth program inside the will is obviously something happened. I can't do anything about it on. Ask for it. So will use it so taking brochures around handing them out saying. Do you have children. And they've us join roots and shoots gives the memory show. Well yes it sounds like. You accepted the reality of what it was. Which is there's no going back. So how do we make the best of the situation. Just so you know. If i met you i would attempt to. Groom you played along demonstrate your your status cuba. Wonderful groomed beard. Let's start there yeah. More armchair expert diffused dare. We are supported by. 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Enjoying the over one million people who've taken charge of their mental health with the help of experience better health professional our best friends they have a nine year old girl. I mean we've interviewed bill gates and hillary clinton you name it. None of this stuff is reached their radar. They could care less but the nine year old out we were interviewing you. And she was beside herself. She had to dress up as someone you admired. She's gone as you several times. And i think what an amazing thing that you were born in one thousand nine hundred thirty seven maybe an. Here's a gale even better thirty four. And here's a little girl born in two thousand ten mimicking you. I just think it's so spectacular and for a wonderful reason not because you have a humongous but then show it on instagram. Like i'm delighted that they're young women who address up like you and my daughters are excited so wonderful so with year notoriety in your deep love for the environment for conservation for animals. You've been a part of a couple of different really released successful organisations the first of which is the jane goodall institute which was established in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven. And i believe now. There's ten thousand groups in one hundred countries that's going onto the youth program. They are jane goodall institute we have twenty four separate institutes in twenty four different countries. All my goodness and the program. Young people is a program of the jane goodall institute. Got you so roots and shoots is under the umbrella of jane goodall institute now roots and shoots has forty five hundred groups in seventy countries. Do you agree to that about seventy. Yeah sixty eight sixty nine seventy seventy two something like that does groups. We don't even know about because you know the discovered one the other day and far away in the rainforest of guatemala ecuador or something all my young people going from one school to another only love. This program says they started him. The new school so it just grass roots. Yeah walk me through. What roots and shoots does what's the objective and it's youth centric. So what is the goal. How does it work lex. That a group get started sates mostly in school very often those a teacher who tries to get it going or it may be a pie school students or something like that or it may be and the university or somebody may started a kindergarten. So you get the group of young people who cab and you tell them now you choose three projects to make the world better to one day help people wanna help animals one to help the environment because the choices they make will depend on how old they are if they're rich or poor if they're living in the town of the country if they're living in china or the united states or abu dhabi or something like that lily should start one. Yeah she by the way it should be so great at. She really wanted. she's a boss. Okay yes you can help hon. You know so. That's how group start. And when. I was traveling around. America through the airports handing out my little brochures. You could follow my progress by seeing where new loop started up just dropping seeds. Yes that's right so now let's go back to. I think the general reservation in the past of acknowledging that animals have an emotional capacity or an intellectual capacity. I think the hesitation there is if that is recognized then you must immediately go to what the ethical dilemma of eating them is or studying them or any of these things. Well studying them with intervention studying them in research laboratories certainly eating them. It's more than the eating of them. It's the way they're kept in the factory farms. It's horrendous and then on top of that this the harm it does to the environment you've to feed them you cut down. Habitats grow the grain. You use fossil fuel. Get the grain. The animals to the animals to abbatoir meet the table. They produce methane gas which is like co two greenhouse gases. Thirty two times better at heating up the atmosphere then too. I mean it is the the lethal gas up there. Okay so. I don't want anyone to call me a hypocrite. Because i do eat me. Obviously i don't feel morally great about it and i think i've tended to focus on exactly what you just mentioned. Which is the manner in which were getting. The me feels like it could be vastly improved but you know something if you love the taste of meet face alternatives to me dicon tell the difference s identical. You're right you're right. We these life burgers in their insanely delicious ear right. There is no reason to not embrace those. I agree i guess in. Tell me wyan idiot. I'm going to give you an opportunity to point out my flaw so i have no problem acknowledging the value and complexity of animals. I'm not in denial of it to me. It's quite obvious. I go to a place where we'll i'm an omnivore in omnivores e me and i'm like any other animal. That's an omnivore. I don't feel guilty about playing my role in the food chain now. Obviously playing an absurd role. That i wasn't really designed so i that but i think that's what i fall back on morally. Do you wanna blow some holes. In that i will first of all you are able to comprehend the exact nature of the creature that you're eating and you know that that is an animal that has emotions that can feel fear and pain plays a role in society or it would do if it was allowed to. And so that makes you separate from the abandoned. Was this also something else to do with health. And we have the gut of a her before. And the hubby will has long got. Because it's got to get the goodness out of leaves and grass and things a condom four as a short one big cigarette to get rid of the meat before it rots in the intestines which were harming our health this way plus years. These poor animals are given hormones to make them grow faster antibiotics to stop them die because of stress so those antibiotics the bacteria building up resistance because they used all the time. Is there an hierarchy in your mind or no like what about eating insects. Are you more in favor of that. Well i that's something i haven't really come to grips with because this even people now talking about the fact that some plants may have purposes. Well i have to say that. If i was asked to choose between eighteen a pig an mealworm i would choose the mail and i don't think it's too terribly bad to eat insects. Some okay eggs. How do we feel about eggs. Oh if x from heads clucking around in the farmyard. Don't mind so much. But the factory farms of horrendous the other bad on the environmental and the milk coming from these dairy cows in these off i mean you watch some of the secretly filmed video. New feel ill. That's what stopped me. When i learned about factory farms for the first time in the late sixties and next time i looked may told my plate. I thought this symbolizes fear pain death. Yeah not appealing. No not very appetizing. Doesn't make me very hungry. And what you laid out like that. And you know what else when i'm talking to people i never. I never say bad person. You eat meat. You should mobile. I want to love to this to google. Checkout pig castle not kosovo the artists but pig kosovo. You watch that okay. Well here's what happened to me. I watched forks over knives eight years ago and i went vegan for a year. I doubt forks over knives as alarming as what you just told me so. I'm watch it. I might as well go grocery shopping. I because i'm sure. I'm going to have to make a decision afterwards. But really i mean i feel so much better than i stopped. I felt like you feel better when you a vacant for you. I didn't do it right. I didn't put enough time into. What i did is ended eating a zillion carbohydrates in no. I didn't feel much better. I think i felt worse. I'll own a failure on my part and the choices now is so good don't they. Well they're way different than i did it in two thousand. Yes exactly. I mean come on a long way. You know to be honest. What got me off of it. As i was going back to detroit on stocks my father was ill and you just eat vegetarian in two thousand twelve in detroit. Now in la. It's pretty darn good and easy overall. Are you optimistic or pessimistic. Where you add on our state. Well i'm both okay. I know that if we all get together we've got a window of time. We can stop slowing down climate change. We can start healing some of the home that we've done natives very resilient with coming up with our intellect with more and more ways for clean green energy renewable energy and things like that but the thing is we don't have that much time so how do we get people involved. That's why i worked so hard on roots and shoots and so thrilled because many children are changing their parents. Oh yeah mindue daily. It's so annoying. But i do get drug along by a lot of little a little girl in china who i i met when she was ten jr couldn't speak english to came to my lecture. Which of course was translated and she said to her parents. I'm going to learn english. Because i want to talk to dr jane. She started a roots and shoots group and her mother helped her and now she's fluent english. She doing all kinds of amazing. But i got a letter from her mother. She said dr jane. I have to tell you. She speak english but then her daughter translated. But i was just a housewife and i went shopping. And i never thought of Didn't think about anything should now. I've become a thoughtful person. And i think about what i buy and how it was made did it. The environment to said this program of yours does not just change the children. It's changed their parents to. Yeah that's lovely of the things you've done. What is most rewarding matt stuff inspiring a little girl in china or is it the fact that you probably played a huge role in the fact. That chimps are still here. I don't know time what's the one main thing i think. One thing that. I really feel the chimps may to do this but to change the scientific attitude towards animals Yeah that's pretty darn profound. That's a paradigm shift. Yeah it's a paradigm shift and the other one is starting roots and shoots because that now has its own life if i died tomorrow roots and shoots will carry on. But that's such a good point. Yeah for someone who wants to enact. Change trying to figure out how to do it in your absences. I imagine the hardest thing to figure out which you've done. Okay now your podcast. I want to know. Do you like interviewing people. You've been interviewed your whole life. And i was in a similar situation which i'm an actor and i've been doing interviews for fifteen years and i'm like oh i know how to be in an interview and guess what i did not. I knew how to get in. I had to learn how to interview. Have you enjoyed hosting jane goodall. Hope cast well. When i was told i had to host it stupid center system anyway then i found i could do it. It's like the first time i had to give lecture. I felt that for the first five minutes. I literally couldn't breathe. I was terrified. But then suddenly i realized that i do not something from the audience that filled me with with. I don't know what it is but it's a kind of magic which comes to me when i'm out there in front of a crowd that's why this virtual business virtual lectures looking at the camera on top of a screen. That is so hard. I'd had to really put every ounce of energy into trying to give appropriate without an audience Yeah you know. This is a topic. I bring up all the time. There's a term for that. I can't remember it. I am always having majored anthro. I'm always trying to get people to recognize how social of an animal we are like. We have this very obvious understanding that dogs are social so they behave this way in this predictable way and they respond to this and we seem to underestimate that. We're the like apex social animal. And that all the things chimps need. We need probably times three this notion of us being an island that is not how we were designed to live and i think you look at all of our mental health issues. We underestimate how social we are and how much we need each other and you standing in front of an audience makes total sense to me because you are feeling the full brunt of community like this is what you were designed to do. That's right. I i do feel like half a suit of purpose in this life and i just have to try and do it you know when i was little. I wanted to write books. Because i was so shocked by and i started writing when i was four. My mother used to write it down for me. I found stories. I wrote when i was five. Got one lovely. So i always wanted to write want to write poetry but then you know ten years old africa wild animals books that that's what i want to do because women want that sort of scientists than so. That was michael and is it true. You still have the chimpanzee stuffed animal. Your dad gave you a child. Yes he's in lockdown in washington dc where he was part of the exhibit they put on becoming jane or something like that which i haven't seen yet and locked came to be stippled gordon. Seen by they couldn't have him he was too precious. They made him a glass bullet proof case. He's on display like the pope. Well there's an ever an auction and the only thing. I think i'd ever want to own of somebody you know. I think i'd be a good steward of that teddy bear. Should that ever care. You be a bad student. If you can't well they're both mammals. It's an easy mistake. My last question about your podcast. I find. I'm just being honest and candid with you. I find that the experience of having fame is underwhelming and more of an inconvenience. But i will say the thing that i most enjoy is that i get to meet someone like you and i have to imagine that you are not impervious to that to do. Enjoy the fact that you can meet people that you were greatly interested in of course because the people i want to me because they could really make a difference. There's none that you just. They're not gonna make a difference but like john travolta. You'll love saturday night fever. And by god. You could have a conversation with john travolta now. Well i hate to say that. I haven't had time to go to cinemas for so long. I don't know the film stars. Well i was trying to make it easy for you. That was nineteen. Seventy seven a dea. Saturday night fever phil. Do you have a favorite film. The rings oh okay one. Do you think about lord of the rings it except he like what's going on now if you think that more door is greed and riches and all these despots who are and we need to grow the fellowship to fight that to fight the black riders who are out there all these big businessmen couldn't care less about anything else and even thought of that recently but if you remember galadriel gives frodo vile of dust and when he sprinkles it all the trees are being cut down by more door come to life and grow up again so the whole thing. It's like a parable of what's going on. Right prophetic yeah. I hadn't made that connection. I made it you. Yes you did. It's proprietary to you now jane. You're so wonderful. I appreciate your time so much. I really want to tell that your captors that you need a little break though okay mic cap too. I'm not a weak and feeble. plus you are. You're anything. But i do have a job to do and job requires me to do what i'm doing so my mother told me if you're going to do something do it as well as you possibly can. While your mother who should be incredibly happy. Because you've done exactly that. And i thank you on behalf of my children's future generations. I'm so grateful to you for dedicating so much your life in time and energy to try to make this place somewhere we can live for more than another one hundred years thank you. It's being absolutely lovely talking to was really looking forward to it. Well we will meet one day. And i will groom you the best of your life. I guarantee he'll band okay. Have a wonderful rest of your day. We appreciate you so much. thanks okay bye. Gene stage tuned for more mature. If you dare. We are supported by me under the under the under the undone sundays. We unease oh my lord. Do i love me on these. I got a pair recently. That are black with white little simple pictures of space explores. I love them. 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Horsing around Cutting up with the guys. Wow you know that kind of stuff. You love a cut up. I do love to cut up and you have been very productive this weekend. Yeah had almost no fun. I've been only you. You have fun doing that though right. Yeah well i wouldn't say fun. It's just really satisfying. So what i did was spicer's. Yes yes i decided to get my life together. It was time who's overdo it was it was way overdue. I was feeling in all honesty a bit out of control. I needed to gain some control back so the best way to do that is shopping. Which did that is second. Best way is to clean and organized. So i cleaned organized everything. You know my scary closet. That's like very scary because it's a big old mess where we keep the equipment. Yeah yeah yeah. Every time we gotta get the equipment out of there. It's like indiana jones and the temple of doom darts to shoot out the walls. No well you brought it up. I did clean up a year ago and it took all day. I mean it was horrible. I posted a picture of it in its worst state and it was really. It was like monica geller. Secret closet friends fans will know what that means okay. We're not gonna know what that means when you said you posted a picture. You're in the process of senior post traumatic stress disorder from the closet. I cleaned up a year ago. Beautiful then in within the year. It's gotten a little out of hand again. Sure years a long time. I had to completely fixed that. I had to clean. My refrigerator. made an error basket. Well everyone's up to speed on the fact that your professional gourmet chef now in the cook seven nights a week. I cook a lot really impressive. What are you going to cook tonight. I'm going to cook fish. Oh yuck yuck don't yuck that's a that's a bad idea. it's not cooking. Fish inside of an apartment is the one of the world's worst ideas i would open. Listen oh my god. Listen my chef. Kuru alison roman. Wants me to cook more fish and indoors and she said she said one of the main things that people fear is is gonna make my apartment smell. No it's not okay. You know it's the main thing people fear because one hundred times out of one hundred. Your whole house stinks like a catfish is not catfish. It's gonna be cod inkata's very light. It is not a fishy fish. Cod is feels like an interesting choice. Because isn't that what you get at mcdonald's and a flare fish now wait no properly taught lavish sticks no fish sticks and filet fisher cod very affordable fish. It wasn't that affordable got ripped off because it's a real cheap fish. I got a nice to my. I'm gonna make tomato poached fish and it is going to be delicious. What does that mean tomato poached. You poach it in tomato. I guess i don't i can. I'm thinking of poaching and oh no like it cooks within the tomato sauce. Jews garlic shallot some other stuff. I haven't looked up the rest being a bit. Well some of that might masks the smell. But i am. I'm gonna tell you one of my new fears. Which is you know when people stink they. They've passed their expiration date the b. oh and they. They don't have time for a shower so what they do. Is they pop some cologne all over themselves. Yeah and then smear their anti-perspirant over the smell and now you just have a ton of smells and the b. Oh it doesn't go away. And then it's it's like an ambrosia cacophony of smells or a cornucopia of smells and i'm a little worried about that for you. I know you're talking about. It's like when people try to spray over their bowel movements. That's right yeah. You're right bad. Yeah yeah it's just leave the bra bob moon there. Yeah yeah i said roy. That was horrible. I agree here the pure movements in. Don't don't try to perfume that pig about the the b. m. but not about the fish. Can we agree upon a non-bias judge. That will stop by tomorrow morning. We can appoint somebody shack and we won't tell them anything. We're not going to say god thing just going to say we're asking a favorite you stop by monica's in the morning. Anything seems mentionable. You tell us if not thank you. And if they say yeah went to monica's man it smelt like Not an alley cats. Oh okay well. Listen listen it's gonna smoke good. She promised and i trust her. I think you are extra sensitive to fish. You hated the idea of anchovies. You don't like salmon which is crazy. I acknowledge that. And i cook salmon here a fair amount and i'm fine with it. Do you tell me you had a problem with one of these fish fries though that it did rick lake fish know that was the chicken enormous tank. Yeah well i think it up with some yard bird. But i thought you also had a fish mishap mix up so far. Haven't had any fish problems. How about this. Could we agree that if you have the option just why not cook it outside on the grill. No i can't tomato poach outside. Oh and that's that's the prep. That's a preparation of my choosing. Okay i have to cook it today. Because i took it out of the fridge. Freezer couple of days ago. I am a little worried about that. I think it's funny. I'll stop but on the counter for two days thawed. It thought a while ago. It's been in the fridge. Oh okay how's you does your fridge stink at all now. Smells great well. Those herbs are in their basket makes us smell so good. I have either. Let us basket in an herb basket. the okay. The lead is basket is box but still it. Has its own impressive. It looks like a professional chefs fridge when you saw picture of it. You said too many vegetables knowing says that well my concern was no one person could eat that many vegetables in the time horizon. That vegetables stay good. I tend to get three or four extra days out of fish couple of weeks outta the veggies over asked all this tomato. You're going to be poaching the old fish with old old fish. Well dale trying although they slashed. Prices day-old donen stale bradley. Dale dale is usually signaling. That you're going to get a deal. As i said it wasn't cheap. I got ripped off because it's very inexpensive ish. That's why it's in fish sticks and blair. Let me look up right now actually. This is a good factor. Real time fact. Yeah what kind of fish is in a filet of fish. Away of fish mcdonalds. You're not going to like this. Answer not cod alaskan pohlak. Let's see what is. Alaskan alaska polack. Oh fuck is a species of cod. Walk back to cod fans you you you just got caught. I o d. I got deposit. How dare you cash on delivery. Copd de cod be. You could do the same for fish sticks and you're gonna find it's cod across the board anytime fishing's yeah absolutely they. What make america run. But it's just not a year so gourmet right now in. Its its tuna fish. I love tuna fish. Also the reason she picked cod as this recipe is because it's not very fishy which is why it's fish sticks and whites and fillet fish. Yeah well and how cheap it is. Oh i'm gonna find out hold on top five most inexpensive. Okay if this makes the list. You're in trouble. Not it's supposed to be on the cheaper end. well now. you're changing your story. You said you paid really good money for this. No but like compared to howl of it but it wasn't cheap. It wasn't like five bucks. It was like twenty five. It's it didn't do inexpensive. It said expensive inexpensive. I should have just said cheap. Fish budget friendly fish skate apparently is cheap. Catfish we knew that. Which type of fish is the cheapest. This is a bad category to be looking white. Flesh fists is usually inexpensive. Has a mild flavor cooks quickly. That's the most popular kinds of whitefish include cod to lappia attic. Catfish grouper bass and snapper. Come all right okay. This is like the third time in three weeks yet my Well no hold on. Hold on you weren't eating. It and i wasn't going. Ooh i hate fish. I'm telling you that it's an inexpensive fish which is great. You said you said yuck. I said what i was making. You said how you hadn't said yum. So i said i'm excited. I'm making a fish tonight. And i'm still excited. I'm not gonna let you duck it. I know i'm not trying to. I was worried about the smell and there. But now i'm over. It is going to be great speaking of animals. This is jane goodall episode. Oh my god. I'm glad we weren't talking about steak. That would have been really counter or bush meat. What's that that's eating of primates. No people do yeah. Well we're we're meat is really scarce. They will be primates. Primates are supposed to taste terrible yet because isn't isn't the cause so muscley. It's that we're so tendency. I guess we taste early rubber rubber band the guerrillas. Okay what my anthro teacher. John barker told me. It's arm of. She had tried by hope. She hadn't tried any primate. I started to make a joke. But then i stopped. What did you say. Is that what armie hammer told you. Oh that's a topical. Joe topical joke but i very mixed feelings on that whole thing. Minor mixed minor very very clear. Yeah i know. I can assume what yours are. Mine are pretty much what yours are. I think well. I don't know all the details i don't wanna like get. It looks. just take the thing we're talking about. Which is the part. We understand is that he had written Sexual text messages expressing a desire to eat somebody And it was. We were told it was consensual right. That's understanding and i have no problem with anybody's weird sexual fantasy. I have a big problem with someone eating. somebody buck. Yeah you can have as kinky of thoughts as you want. Your partner wants to pretend that you're gonna eat each other. What the fuck does that have to do with any of a i. I agree. I thought it was extreme. What was happening if it was consensual. If it wasn't and he was like harassing people and trying to tell them that he wanted to eat them like mate. That's a different story. But that doesn't seem like that was the case. But i don't know well we can get into a much like that's an easy position for us to take. I think the harder one is. I do believe part of the issue is that it was consensual. And that some of these gales now regret it and say there was a power imbalance and now they don't. They're not happy that they participated in that and that's that's a really tricky subject that i have probably bad opinion on. I don't think we can function as a society. If you can retract consent. I just don't i actually don't think it can function if you can tell someone to their face. Yes i consent and then later say no. I don't consent that's no but it's if you feel like you have to say yes. It's way more complicated. But in this case. I don't think he had power. It wasn't like he was employing these people or he was no but i think people will argue that. Because someone's famous that they have a power imbalance over anyone else. And that's i don't drink. I don't think that would hold up. If that person literally had power like could control their job or their wellbeing in some ways. I don't know if if just saying that. That person's famous gives them power. Doesn't i don't think that really holds any water. They actually have power over you whereas bosses and stuff like that do yeah. I guess i'm just saying if we live in a society where consent can be retracted than if someone gives you consent real time in very genuinely and honestly earnestly you then have to say no. You don't like how do you proceed in life in a paradigm. Where if someone tells you they want to do something and you do with them. You're supposed to what assume their consent isn't you. That also feels weird and controlling and dismissive and will no. I think you just have to be cognizant of the relationships you pursue if you're pursuing one with your employees dull because you never know what is happening there. Oh yeah employer employee. Of course. But i'm talking just to people to people me. They have a relationship. And the guy says i want to be kinky and do sem. Yeah and the person says i do. I'd like to try that. And then they didn't enjoy it. Yeah and then later. They say i retract consent. I was forced. I think these cases are a little more nuance in that. I don't know enough about the hammer until like really say i don't think him. Being famous is gives him power. Personally i in he unless they were like actresses and he was calling them in for meetings and stuff like that while that'd be grody. Ah yeah. But i i. Don't people have kinky bucks. But i don't want him to really anyone no. Nobody should eat anyone. Like women have rape fantasies and they work out rape fantasies with their partners. They don't want to be raped. Yeah that's fine if they want to express that fear and that way. Yeah but they don't wanna be raped. Yeah so you could be working out this thing that yeah you wanna be consumed. What's deeper than it. I think if you wanna get emotional about it is like i think the statement is. I'm so into you. That i would consume me and i would never wanna consume a person but i'm so into you i will ask you. That's the benign version of it right because these texts were explicit. They were dark dark but to make you horny forum doubt it did. Make me like whoa this. That's a lot. Yeah yeah. I guess the only thing i can see with what i could see happening. That's uncomfortable is if i was flirting texting with someone and it was like really fun and playful and we were like days in and we were really into it and then it took a quick turn into something very dark. That would be uncomfortable. Like it would really. It would be hard. Although of course. I'd have to say like oh i'm not into that. Yeah but it but if you wrote back yeah i wanna eat your spleen you know. What on earth is the other person's supposed to assume others. If that happened to you that exact same thing you would just not respond. Probably when it got weird or you might even say. I don't wanna eat anyone. And i don't want to be eating whatever you wouldn't then think i should embarrass this person like i should tell people i would not. I would not unless. I was really feeling threatened in some way or like if something was getting out of control there is not. I wouldn't want to embarrass someone. But i would potentially need to say something to other people if it was getting out of hand if i felt in danger threatened or harassed him can we role play. And i'm going to do this. I'm going gonna go somewhere where i would have to put up a red flag okay. Okay okay hey what are you doing. I'm organizing oh you're in her house your house yet. What are you wearing face slightly. I'm wearing a sweatshirt and thick socks. No pants is what going right. That's so kinky. Where big thick socks and no pants. I'd love to bring over fifteen pounds of cod. Stink up your kitchen and take them socks off once. It's nice instinctive in there. And then i would go. I do not consent to this way. You said it. I was doing was painting one where i would have to. Oh that was. Were you you. When i was wearing the sweatshirt and i was organizing all i didn't. I didn't know that i wouldn't have been organizing or wearing a sweatshirt with no pants on. I was getting. I wanted to send the texts that i would have sent up a flare. You wouldn't like it if someone said they were going to bring a lot of cod over thirteen. Fourteen pounds of cod really stink up the place and then work those socks and then tie the socks around really. What would you say. You wouldn't just say. I'll if it'd be really nice. Yeah you'd you would be cognizant of the person's feelings i'm also i'm also radical. I i would probably go along with anything. Just see what this whole thing's about. I guess that's where things get a little tricky. Because what if like what if i was texting with someone and then they took it to really dark place really playful and i guess you could think for a bit that it was still like you could think for a while it was still playful in until you're like oh shit no it's not but i've already been sort of playing along because i thought it was that now it's not now i have to say no i don't like it but i did play along for a bit. Yeah but like so. what so. All that is is like it's flirting. That didn't pan out like it's like when someone goes up says what's your name at the bar and then you these corny. And you don't like it ends like so it's just like this escalate this. It doesn't click for you and that's that is that like a moral issue. It's just like oh we're not compatible in the fantasy thing you you've got all this fisher trying on load and you wanna cook it at my house and i'm not going to be able to truthfully say i want to live out this fantasy with you. Jane goodall for jiangsu connect. You deserve so much more than that. It was a natural flow as a ding ding. Ding okay. what. We both really loved about jane goodall is. She's kind of taken this not by her choice. She has the role of like of the planet. Yeah and yet. She's so spunky. That was my favorite. I know i loved when she told you you. You are capable of taking care of her stuffed animal chip because you called it as head exactly like you can't take care of it if you don't even know difference between a chimp and a bear. You can't have it. That's that's why she'd be fine with us talking about the texting. Yeah she she probably like it. Maybe she'll leave. Maybe you'll even get a hold of association. Voice her opinion on it. I think i know our opinion. Well no. I definitely don't know her opinion on the sex part but she's definitely not into eating humans or primates or animals at all. Well we also know her opinion on the sexting that was involving bringing fish over. Because she's a vegetarian she would not want you to bring fish over and cook it now under chicanes as much about fish. Well she said the only thing she could put possibly what maybe insects dan. Yeah my ding ding ding. I don't know. I just wanted to say 'cause insects in sex. Oh my god oh my gosh okay. So how times more harmful is methane gas then. Co two. yeah because the bills book yes how to avoid climate disaster okay. I'll read this. This is from unicef you. Tell me if your number in your head is different from bills book. There's like they go around but go ahead okay. Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas with one hundred year old global warming potential twenty five times that of co two measured over a twenty year period. Methane is eighty four times more potent as a greenhouse gas than co two about sixty percent of global methane emissions are due to human activities. What is bill. Say i think he says twenty eight. And i had heard thirty two. That was another number that everyone agreed upon. But i think where it gets. Tricky is the only upside methane is that it doesn't stay in atmosphere. Nearly as long as carbon so carbon dioxide has a really long half life whereas methane dozen so even though it's heating it more it'll go way quicker but the thing that was really that we read in the book nitrous oxide which is also a by product that is like two or three hundred times warming co two. We're going to talk to him. Kelly this week right. Yeah got so scared. I'm so scared. Ding ding ding. There's a really funny friends moment. Where ross can't flirt. And he's trying to flirt with a girl who's delivering his pizza and he actually. I wonder if this does it. Hold up and twenty twenty one. Nothing does continue keeps calling shirts. He gets having her calm back so he can keep practice flirting. He can try to get better each time and he starts talking about gas and how different gases smell smell. It's really funny. oh. I love that show. I'm gonna start getting. oh yeah episodes. Are there two hundred police. No that well in all how many seasons was it. It was ten but in season five. They hit one hundred. But then there's fewer episodes in the later seasons. I bet it's not quite one hundred. Well it's well. There's ten seasons in they average twenty twenty episodes of season which they had to have two hundred hundred and thirty six. Yeah was gonna say probably ever like the the normal order was probably twenty four and they might have cut it to twenty or twenty two in the latter seasons they never. There's no way they ever went under twenty eighteen eighteen shortest eighteen season ten. Okay at best season nine is eighteen. I wonder if that was because people are doing movies. Why on earth would that be was a cash. Cow twenty four so ten was the shortest and that was eighteen. I think they were ready to be done. And they just the network wanted it so bad that they were and they're getting paid a million dollars an episode each. That's pretty good money. Yeah it's it's pretty good is okay. That's really all i had for jane. No kidding methane. Yeah because she. She knows her stuff. She knows her. Shit yeah i mean. There was a question of how many roots and shoots but she. She explained why we don't know that 'cause they're just kinda sprouting up all over the place. So i couldn't really check a campus. Yeah very womp us. Very skadden compass extra wa-was in pretty darned scan. Scotty all right well. This was fun. And then i'll be home. In two clicks to clicks away. Put the pedal down get right home. I'm driving a hell cat. Durango some sitting on about seven hundred and ten horse. Pike got sick. I really get up those mountain roads so it snowy it sure is so you can't go that fast right pretty fast. It's got all wheel drive very stable. Really good car okay. I got here and the weather was worse than it will be when i go home. And what are rob and katherine driving. Rob's driving his huge sprinter van that's all decked out call it's very cool and and just throw is driving a subaru outback. Which i know. He's not thrilled about. Oh it's not his pick no he to likes horsepower. Horsepower added he's a cowboy Yes yeah. I'm the steel horsey rights. Remember we interviewed john. Jovi yes never forget. Jj all alright. I love you have fun cooking your fish cam.

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A Conversation With Jane Goodall

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A Conversation With Jane Goodall

"From NPR and Wvu are Boston I'm Anthony Brooks, and this is on point when you were a child, what did you want to become our next guest dreamed of living in? Africa, on wild animals and Sunday writing about her adventures and her jeep dream came true Jane Goodall began studying wild chimpanzees in Tanzania sixty years ago. In July nineteen, Sixty Jane Goodall a twenty six year old English girl has embarked on a remarkable invention. At. The request of the British answer biologist Dr Leaky, she has to observe the daily lives of chimpanzees in east, Africa that's from the National Geographic documentary. The hope which came out earlier this year goodall taught us how much we have in common with chimpanzees over the decades she expanded her work and became a leading conservationist and climate activists. Jane. Goodall. Is the founder of the Jane Goodall Institute and United Nations. Messenger. Of Peace She's also dame dame of the British Empire and she's the author of more than a dozen books including my friends, the wild chimpanzees which came out in Nineteen sixty-nine and reason for hope, a spiritual journey which came out thirty years later, lots more books in between Jane Goodall welcomed on point and congratulations on sixty years of research in Gombe Bay and it's truly an honor to have you on the program. Well. Thank you. Antony, and it's lovely to be on the program which I've been on the number of times before and yeah, sixty years is pretty amazing. He is gone. Well, it is amazing in the work you've done is truly amazing I wondered if you could serve take us back. We heard that clip from the documentary, which is wonderful by the way take us back to July of nineteen, sixty, nineteen, sixty or twenty, twenty-six you land in Tanzania to study chimpanzees. What was the first challenged you faced when you arrived? Actually the first challenge was getting to the Gumby National Park where it was a game reserve than. The the problem was that on the other side of Lake, Tanganyika just to cross the were. They Belgian. Congo's it was then had erupted. There was violence, and so the little town when when we arrived was absolutely fall of fleeing refugees love step Olympus. So it was it was about two weeks before I was allowed to proceed along lake and get to the Gumby. National Park but once I got there. It will seem rather unreal. It just felt am I really here can this really really be me Climbing up after the tent was erected and looking out over the lake and hearing baboon sparking. Breathing, in the smell of the forest really was magic. I bet it was I have to imagine that just finding your subjects that chimpanzees I mean. It wasn't like you arrive there put up your tent and then sort of sat down with your notebook and just started studying them I mean how did you? How did you go about finding them first of all? I put the first three weeks. I was made to take a local guy with me by the British authorities. It was still part of the crumbling British Empire back then. They wouldn't let me go out alone. So he showed me some of the trails and the could was you climb up to a place which overlooks the valley and then you wait and you hope that the windows to violent. So you can see trees moving and often it turned out to be baboons or monkeys, but sometimes, it was chimpanzees and once I was able to be on my own, which is. Exactly what I wanted to do. Then, I, would find a tree that was ripe fruit. They're very early in the morning and wait and chimpanzees away. As soon as they saw me, we've never seen a white eight before. You. Know they just they're very conservative. And Well I was really worried though Sony money to six months. I was afraid that the money would run out before I found anything really exciting. Of course you did find lots of exciting things. One of the things I wanted to ask you is to talk about your connection with them and to to animals in general because one who has watched a film of you interacting with chimpanzees I mean, there's this incredible sense of. Connection it's it's not just a skilled scientists observing. There's something. That is really human to animal connection I'd love you to describe that because it's quite powerful. It always brings tears to my eyes when I watched the footage of you working with these animals. I think it started when I was born loving animals until all my life by being outside and Magadan waiting for. Eggs to hatch into baby birds waiting till they've fledged and keeping very quiet. So the parent birds got used to me and would come in and feed the babies and I would watch squirrel occasionally there was Fox, and of course, I had this wonderful dog who taught me so much about animals. So when I got to Gumby I hadn't been to university nobody else was studying gyms fact virtually nobody was studying anything in the wild and so I just did the same thing and gradually gradually chimpanzees got used to me. and. Was David. GREYBEARD. Beloved David Greybeard who I began to lose his fear and he really helped the others to lose fear because if he lives in a group with them instead of running away they social I suppose they thought well David sitting and he was a leader. So she comes so scary after all Aman gradually the lack of fear turn to aggression that was a pretty nasty. Through four weeks where the chimpanzees three to like Predator, it wanted to go away. But I. Didn't I just sat pretended I was interested in them and interestingly it was specially when it was raining and you know if you're watching people in the pelting rain, you see him take risks though. The road they normally wouldn't an chimps go a bit like that. But anyway eventually they realize I wasn't going and luckily they didn't try and attack me and much much stronger than we are. And then that aggression turn to tolerance acceptance and trust and the seems that you saw in that in that documentary, you know we couldn't do that today. We don't interact with them today. We know they can catch diseases we can catch this. So it's not today but back then. Anybody who was studying animals tried to have a close relationship and I those days absolutely. The Best I knew the chimpanzees so well, I trust them may trusted me. And it was wonderful. It sounds absolutely magical. I WanNa ask you about. One of these major discoveries that chimps make and use tools nobody knew that before you did that can describe that discovery and how it made. You feel when you observed it I mean when you sort of figured out what they were doing did you know at that moment that Oh, my God? This is amazing. We didn't realize this before. Now. Remember him being college. I wasn't his son his and it was David Greybeard did David Greybeard and that was walking through the forest to being raining and then I suddenly. So a back shape sitting on a termite mound and I wasn't really close but close enough to see very well through binoculars and I could say him breaking up grass stems pushing them down into the termite mound and picking the insects off with his lips amid sometimes breaking off the leafy twig which had to be trimmed to make it useful as a tool and quite honestly, it didn't surprise me that the. Chimps could do that on the other hand western science that only humans Houston made tools. We were defined as man the toolmaker, and so I knew that this was a very exciting observation I knew that my mentor Louis Leakey would be tremendous excitement and indeed it led to the breakthrough because he was able to approach National Geographic and not only did they provide money for me to carry on the six months ran out but eventually they sent the photographer and filmmaker Hugo Van Loic and it was his film that you know that really took them the behavior of chimps around the world. My guest, this hour Jane Goodall She's an Thala Gist conservationist activist best known for her long-term study of wild chimpanzees in Tanzania. Let's go to Jane. WHO's calling from Orleans Massachusetts go ahead, Jane you're on the air. Thanks for the call. Hi there. Thank you so much. Yeah. My question was how did you toe the line between accurately identifying the emotions you were seeing in these animals without overly anthropomorphized in them? Ric Question. Okay this this thing about anthropomorphized thing I mean. CA- quite honestly you know when I- leaky made me go to Cambridge when I being with Jim. SA- two years and I knew them as individuals I knew their behavior. Yeah. I'd seen. Grooming peacefully resting relaxing playing laughing. Weighing, Ping will not weeping but a being very, very miserable young ones when they weren't allowed to suckle anymore I'd seen anger resentment I'd seen sense of humor and. I was shocked when I got to Cambridge to do a PhD because leaky set was no time to mess about with an undergraduate degree. I was very nervous he can imagine. And be told by many of the professors tied done everything wrong. I shouldn't have given the chimpanzees names. They should have had numbers that was scientific and I couldn't talk about personality I couldn't talk about minds capable of problem solving and I, suck, me couldn't talk about emotions but you see when I was a child I, had this wonderful teacher that was my dog rusty and he told me that in this respect the professors absolutely wrong. We are not the only beings on the planet with personality mine in emotion and lovely because chimps. Oh, like US Biology Michelle Ninety eight point six percent of Deanna and because of Hugo's film. That science graduate was forced away from this reductionist way of thinking and today you can study all those things you can study personality mind and emotion I'm glad you made that point about dogs because someone who's had many dogs love dogs I've always felt like, of course, there's emotion. Of course, there's personality of course there's all that stuff that doesn't just belong to US human beings. We're talking Jane, Goodall about her legacy climate change and conservation coming up later in the hour stay with us I'm Anthony Brooks. This is on point. This is on point I'm Anthony Brooks, we're talking about sixty years of research with Jane Goodall ethologist conservationist activist and founder of the Jane. Institute, she's a global conservationist. She's active as well in spreading the word about the importance of tackling climate change, and we're GonNa get to all that as well as your calls. Jane. Goodall I. Just I have to come back to this question about dogs that came up before the break because I've read that that. Dog's not chimps are your favorite animals that true. Absolutely true and you know chimpanzees. So light people don't even think the McDonald's I mean. They'd just it just I know ferry people. So. The explosive development of our intellect that really is the biggest difference. Yeah. Yeah. So your work has expanded from from studying and saving chimps to climate change and and honestly saving the world in that wonderful documentary. The hope you referred to at one point is the Mother Teresa of the environment. Bit of a tough job You say, but how do you think about the the biggest challenge that we're facing right now? Well I think this actually tree major challenges and one is way alleviate poverty. See African village and it's you know it's just huge crippling poverty as lack of good health and education. The degradation of land is populations grow and it was when I flew over the tiny combination apart, which had been part of a huge forest and by nineteen nineteen was the tiny island deforestation all around completely bay hills, and that's when it hit me. We don't help people find ways of living without destroying the environment. Then we come save the chimps so that began the Jane Goodall Institute JJ began of a program which we call to Cari. which is now in six other African countries very successful. I wouldn't go into it. People could look it up. On the web but The people have now become A. Partners in conservation. So one we need to solve poverty to we need to do something about the unsustainable lifestyle of so many millions of people on this planet to Waymo may need. Don't think about. Do I need this thing? I'm buying. And then we also have to think about the fact that seven point two, billion people on the planet today. And, already we're running out natural resources faster than nature can replenish them in some places and in twenty fifty, it's estimated there will be. Nine point seven billion ten, billion people. So these are problems that we we must be thinking about if we want planet, it's their huge problems. I won't ask you about that one you the one that you referred to as maintaining these unsustainable lifestyles and I wanna ask you about that because it seems to me that one of the biggest challenges is how we define progress and governments and lots of people define progress by growth by expanding GDP. So it doesn't work in opposition to what we need to do, and if so how do we deal with that? How do we reverse the thinking around? Expansion isn't necessarily compatible with saving the plan. It's it's compatible with destroying the planet. It doesn't make sense. You can't have unlimited economic development on a planet with finite natural resources and if we don't. Get together wine a new green economy and find a different way of. Thinking about success. What is success right now for the most part, it's you know being successful in business if money getting stuff I'm getting power. And we need to start thinking about success being we need to have a life that we can enjoy a life where we can support our family. Yes. But not go over the top with I mean who needs four houses quite come on health need. WHO NEEDS TO YARDS WHO NEEDS A private plane? A few people actually do but most people don't. So we have to rethink waylon because if we don't, you know we're already on a downward trajectory. That's why began our program for young people, roots and shoots because it's their future and we've been feeling it and thereby wound to be very passionate about these issues. Jangling and ask you about roots and shoots because I'd love to hear more about that program. We've got a lot of callers that want to get in on this conversation with you. So let's go to Lynn who's calling from bridgewater mass go hedlund you're on the air with Jane. Goodall. Thanks for the call. Hello thank you so much and Dr. Goodall. You're such an inspiration to so many and I love to hear from you how you. Went from being an observer to research church. Now, a worldwide activists and what words of advice you have to our young people to get involved and make a difference today. Thanks. You. Know it. It just happened and I think it was the geographic whose articles spreading around the world and People began to be fascinated by the behavior of the chimpanzees. And I don't know how I mean. People he says today that I'm an icon. Will I never planned to be an icon and at first I hid I mean I was so shy. But then after bit on left being was trying to raise awareness, raise money and things like that. I realized that when people came up in the airport and wanted to sell selfie or something I could I could use that opportunity to tell them about roots and shoots to. To say that they could help by joining institute and you asked about what we tell young people what I tell the young people is every single day you live you make some kind of impact on the planet and you have a choice. In this, very, very poor which when you have no choice but you know. The people listening probably can have choice think about what you buy. How Did it did it on the environment in its production did lead the cruelty to animals like the terrible factory farms Is it cheap because child slave labor or budge Wages that don't even enable people to live properly and made those ethical choices when billions people make those ethical choices then we start moving towards different world. Jane Goodall I won't ask you about the current pandemic and how that's affected your your research and and and and what you talk to people about in terms of the challenges we face because among concern concerns the emergence of diseases like covid. Nineteen. And, the link between the destruction of nature and the current pandemic I'm wondering if you can talk a little bit about that and how this pandemic has affected the way we need to think about these issues. That the way I think about it, but I'm hoping the silver lining will be that it helps more and more people to think about these issues and you know the people studying the so-called. Diseases Diseases that jump from an animal to a person. that. They. Have predicted pandemic like this we keep getting epidemics we keep getting diseases, we disrespect nature we destroyed for us we crowd animals together, which can lead to new animal diseases. We push animals into closer contact with people. That, you can have a virus or bacteria jumping from one animal to one person may be binds with a cell in the human body may be that leads to a new disease like coke nineteen and it's disrespected of animals. We we pump them, kill them, eat them we sell them in unhygienic a bushmeat markets in Asia, which is where HIV AIDS began we traffic them selling. Them from different parts of the world to the wildlife markets and pet markets in Asia animals from all over the place different species of crowded together in horrible on hygiene conditions, and again, it's a perfect environment virus or bacteria. Indeed. That's could nineteen is thought have begun in in one of these markets in will have in China, and saws began in another of these markets in China. and must began from domestic camels in the Middle East and many many diseases have jumped from animal to person in our. In our absolutely horrendous factory fogs. I WANNA play. A little bit of sound from the National Geographic documentary the hope in this scene, your with former US secretary of state James Baker reflecting on the partnership that you to form. You had lunch with him to discuss your goals and how he might help you. Let's listen to just a little bit of this. I remember during that lunch telling her that I love nature because I was hunter fisherman. But I'm interested in clean water and clean air and improves irving the resource and preserving environment. If. He seemed to think that. I was doing was. Something that was squad while because he telexed to tell those based telex only embassies of the countries I was going to, and he said please help chain. So I'm fascinated in this just because when I think of the work, you do I might not think of someone like James Baker as the first person, you would ally yourself with our get help from but but talk a little bit about that alliance in how he was. Helpful. To you and and into what you were to do the work you're trying to do. Well at that time, I was also tackling the use of chimpanzees in medical research and the terrible conditions, and so I was doing a lot of talking to different people on the hill and I. Think again, you know this this geographic film Jane, the Chimps Beauty, and the beast people were fascinated Michael got messages are so would like to meet you. That's what happened with them James Baker. I didn't initiate that he asked if I would come and have lunch with him. So I was just about to set off to Africa to learn more about the plight of the chimp. So they were gradually disappearing the poorest going on how he helped was this telexes to the embassies. They all help tonight. Manage to do a great deal more because of. The night could otherwise done because it was very little money by the way I tackled him about hunting. What did you say them and how did he respond? We I said you know that I completely disapprove punting them. and. They said well, yes I imagined you. You did and. We didn't pursue too far but I, you know I can't just sit and let people think approve of hunting especially now and especially. so-called sports hunting I mean that is absolutely horrendous today it's really horrendous animals. Becoming, extinct and people go out an rare of the animal and the more close to extinction. It is the more money they paid to go and it. Who can want to kill an elephant giraffe a bath, these beautiful animals, and then glow to them and put the heads on the ball terrible You know speaking of the work you did Around Medical Research and and and saving animals from the chimps in particular for medical research in that documentary. The hope you told there was a very, very powerful story of meeting a chimp named Joe Joe in one of the labs and he was in a cage and you reminded of what it's like for these animals to live in the wild and. The wonderful life they have in the wild and you had an emotional response, a tear trickled down your cheek. Tell us how Joe Joe responded. To that or You know I don't really know why the labs let me in true for them dead and this was the first one I was in a state of shock actually seeing I'm but I knew I had to see with my own eyes to really talk about it anyway this Joe Joe There are eight chimps in one room each in a separate cage. I'm still balls around and thinking about the chimps Oregon be He'd been there twenty years and of course, little tears sip down under my mosque and he reached out regionally. Wiped away the tears. And it was incredibly emotional moment for me and finally with the help of many other organizations chimps being. Being a medical research on chimpanzees as being stopped everywhere. That was It was quite a scene to see Joe's hand reach out and touch your face and wipe that tear away. You had other unlikely allies including several leaders at at the oil company, the oil and Gas Company. CONACO PHILLIPS WHO helped build a new facility for chimpanzees in Brazzaville Congo. So here's Rodney mcallister who was Conoco's a country manager and helped lead the project. The facility it had to be disassembled freighter to the Congo taken out over that miserable excuse for what's left of a road. Assembled in a location as remote and hostile this'll. It was my job and I believed in it and I wanted to see it happen. Jane asks you to do something. You're not a big off and say Nah. PROJECTOR. Hack now. So you and Rodney Macau's to remain friends to this day. How much flack did you catch for partnering with an Oil Company and why do you think it's important to work with people who you may not agree with in in very profound ways Well first off, it wasn't Conaco Phillips back then it's changed back. Then CONACO was the most environmentally friendly oil company probably ever I mean I can't go into toll now but when I I was offered held by them to set up a sanctuary. Social through very carefully and I thought well one. I've really learned about Nicole and what they're doing and how they exploring is having the minimal impact on the environment and secondly I'm flying I'm driving I'm actually paying money for their products. So how hypocritical to say well, you're really trying to do good but you're not all companies are not going to take your money in therefore the chimps will suffer it. It was just hypocritical. And still if you can join a company that's trying to do it right and help them to do better. That's a really good thing to do on the other hand to take money from a company that is really bad company not trying to make any improvement that's not a good thing to do. And what they ended up doing was was truly helpful right I. Mean they created a wonderful reserve for these for these chimpanzees. To a sanctuary, they built these buildings and they had good relationship obviously with the government. So that was really my introduction to the to the president and Minister of Environment. And Education. In Congo Brazzaville, which was incredibly helpful as the has went on Icho left because they didn't try and viable oil there. And so we had a big struggle to keep. Its Sanctuary. We still you know always trying to raise money about two, hundred, seventy chimps their now because of the Bush meat trade mother shot her. To eat. And babies sometimes pinched stolen to be attracted to be sent off overseas. Pet so train into. Medic. taught. Jayne. Good. Old Standby. We gotta take a break. We're going to talk about a lot more. My guest is Jane Goodall. Thala just conservationists activists best known for her long-term Study of. Anthony Brooks this is on point. This is on point I'm Anthony Brooks were talking to Jane Goodall about her legacy and the challenges surrounding climate change and species conservation, and let's go right to our calls Jane. Goodall. We've got a lot of callers who want to get in on this conversation. Juniper is calling from Nashville. Go ahead juniper you're on the air. Thanks for the call. Hi My name is Jennifer I'm eight years old. I was wondering what parts of the world need the mostly search because I want to be that Negro up juniper. Thanks so much for that Jane Did you get that? I hunt she wanted to be a bet on here a question. What part of the world needs the most research because yes, she wants to be a vet when she grows up. Well I, tell you that there isn't a single country where event needed where we need the every single country animals need help animals need to be protected, and sometimes they're veterinarians who'd come and work in sancturies to look after the chimpanzees we have battery help now in in the national parks for the wild chimpanzees because the so few left that we have to make sure to try and keep them healthy. So we can dot them and treat them if necessary a bad wound, for example. juniper thanks so much for that call Jane Goodall. I'm so glad that juniper called eight years old and I have to say in household. The there is cross generational appeal for you. I've been following your work for a long time. My nine year old son knows who you are and is. Really enamored of the of the kind of work that you do. So this seems like a good moment to ask you about roots and shoots and sort of what your messages to young people, but tell us about roots and shoots and and and what it does. Well, it it began in comes in and nineteen hundred one. and. It was when twelve high school students came to see me in my house and they came from eight different schools and they were very concerned about all kinds of different things. Poaching and Cox was the government doing more street children with no homes. A wide range of problems that they felt solving. So I told them to go and get their friends and we had a big meeting and that's when roots and shoots was born, and basically we decided that the main message was every individual makes a difference every day Rian individual as role to play in matters that every group would choose three projects. One to help people wanted help animals when to help the environment because everything in nature is connected and we part of not separated from the natural world big problem today. So Anyway, what began twelve hundred school students is now in sixty five countries and growing fast. and. It's got hundreds of thousands of members I don't remember how many groups are as many groups. We don't know about you know we suddenly found a little group somewhere in the forests of Ecuador between roots and shoots. We found out about the by accident. And they're changing the world that they literally these young people know that rolling up this leads taking action that planting trees, which is very important. Today that cleaning streams doing campaigns about. Single use plastic and today we have members in kindergarten. We. Have members in university and everything in between and they are changing while they are my greatest reason for hope and I hope any child parent listening will try and get involved because changes their lives too. So let's go to Tanya. She's calling from Concord. Mass. Tanya. Jane Goodall. Thanks for the call go ahead. Thank you Anthony. Great hosting and Ms Goodall it's It's a great honor to the listening to you and to be speaking with you I wanted to point out that in terms of for more experimentation on chimps year or so ago I was. At the conference at the Radcliffe Institute? Harvard. And there were researchers from China who were showing slides of their experimentation on chimps. In in trying to find a cure for depression and it involves crisper. Technique modest vacations, and it was very, very sad to see the poor suffering chimp and the corner of its cage just toddling over. It was a terrible sight and. and there was a push to get more US support to to get back into experimentation on chimpanzees precisely because of their. closeness to us and I I just wanted to mention that and hear what you may have to say. Thank you. Thank you Tanya Jane Goodall, to what extent are that kind of research still being conducted on chimps and to what extent are you still concerned about that? Now mostly monkey snow but. The occasional. Jim. In Germany, for example, to patents were just refused who genetically modifying chimpanzee. But. we have to shoot to live at China the huge movement in China to. Protect animals it's it's growing fast many states now bandaging of dogs and after the Kobe. And the government was very quick to ban the a sale, the traffic king, and the eating of wild animals. So it's changing it takes time you know America, for example, until recently was the second largest importer of ivory in the world coming to China then China banned the importation of Ivory And these things just take time but yes, we can try and fight poaching in Africa but we also have to work on the demand because when money is involved when people can get rich by shooting a rhino and selling its horn, they going to go on doing it even if it's illegal. So that's where roots and shoots comes in and we just working working away on reducing the demand for wild animals and cruelty to domestic animals well Tanya. Thank you for that call one more call Alex is calling from Walpole NASA -Chusetts go ahead Alex you're on the air with Jane Goodall thank you for the call. Thank you and I. It's. It's an honor I. Agree with everything that's been said in terms of. How we can help. move or progress in terms of the climate disruption and I just wondered. Jane. what you thought the biggest impediment was to. Progress on climate disruption and also maybe a personal kind of. question about what brings you joy. And All that. Thanks. Okay well festival at one. Very serious impediment is leaders in countries who denied climate change together. Latest in countries who as in the US back. Environmental Protection. Regulations, they try very hard to do that. You know there's me hoping they'll be a groundswell of people not wanting to go back to days pollution when Pepsi, the first time in a big City Bay had the privilege of breathing clean air, which should be a human right But while we have presidents and prime ministers and leaders who are dying to get back to business as usual and open up coal mines, things like that. It's very, very difficult, but we just must not give up. And what brings me joy. Well, it's being out in nature and. It. Doesn't have to be the forest chimpanzees although that's my. Most favorite. But somewhere out to nature preferably alone with a very close friend. And just feeling a part of it. And you know people associated with the natural one of our new see little children there in a beautiful place on our birds in there are butterflies and I saw two year old an all he was doing was playing around on his on his dental cell phone video games and things. This is tragic because it's been proved that. Contact with nature is very important psychological development in children. I. Glad you brought up how much you love being out in nature and in the forest because at one point in that wonderful documentary the hope you describe the feeling that you get as one you get in a Cathedral I love that that analogy. Yes I it's it's really true and there are some places in the forest when the trees kind of art show behead it reminds me of some of those great cathedrals where the such. In know whether you whether you're religious or not. But the atmosphere because so many hundreds of thousands of people have been in there they've been praying make being. Content with what I call a great spiritual power. And that's the same for me in the forest. Let's go to Marcus who's calling from Cambridge Mass Marcus. Go ahead you're on the air. Thanks for the call. On this is good all I've been I've been a fan of your's ever since I was a grubs H, your son grubs age and do the question is. The question is about zoos interaction with apes and zoos like here in Boston, we have the Franklin Park Zoo. And how. My interaction was I'm a painter and do oak via. was a painter and I brought my My pastels and oak came up and watched me paint and other guerrilla actually punched me. In through the glass because I was filming him for how do you feel about? People experiencing a bit of what you do with that kind of. Interaction and is is. Okay. Well, first of all this good soon, bad zunes, but I have to say that during all my years zoos have improved so much and the really good sues have wonderful exhibits not some space good animal groups. Keep pursue understand them and what's really interesting is that during the pandemic when the zoos shutdown. They animals became deeply depressed because for them the visitors of entertainment you know like television, them. And it was fascinating eating to talk to people still working in the zoos, feeding the animals and so on. Say that they were really really impressed. So he says were having to find ways to occupy the men cheer them up. So I know that many many people look into the is a chimp gorilla or elephant or whatever. It happens to be an that gets them and they're they're hooked for life. They understand they looking into the eyes a sentient being. What shouldn't be? Ever elephants dolphins whales. Probably will tube will need to run. You said there are good zoos and bad zoos. What's an example of of a good zoo? Your Favorite Zoo Well In the US, the San Diego Zoo is is is really good. It has wonderful exhibits and it also raises a lot of money for conservation of the animals out in the wild keepers. Get the chance to go and see the animals in the wild, which gives them a much better. Attitude when that looking up to the captive ones. So I think sue's play a big role in in education and in conservation. You celebrated you're eighty sixth birthday in April But in the documentary, the hope you say that the kind of life you're living now is completely crazy. There are times when you thank you cannot go on like this and and I think if I'm recalling correctly, you travel something like three hundred days a year. Dick. Yeah Go ahead. Sorry. To say, Oh, I, was just wondering. How do you find time to relax and unwind and guess what keeps you going three hundred days a year. Well thing is you know being grounded since the beginning of the pandemic luckily was called when I was at home here in a I'm speaking to you from the house where I grew up in Bournemouth England on the south coast. And own my things are here my sister have family here. So My A. It was a good place to be grounded. Are Fund I've had been so much busier during this time dive ever being in my life before with interviews like this and put costumes and skype. Reading books to children on Readiness Shadow man I did which is now out on our website free been reading other books children lots of emails and video messages to all the twenty four. Jane Goodall Institute's the Sankt enable needed cheering up and it's been very tough because the code it I mean Gumby were terrified that it will reach the Chimpanzee National Park and surrounding areas whether gyms because they catch your pieces. You have. You embrace this idea about hope and I want to ask you about this three of your books plus another set to release. Next year have hope in their titles documentary the National Geographic. Entry about you is called the hope what keeps you what makes you hopeful and I'd love to end on this note because there's so much going on right now from the pandemic. To climate degradation, which can really leave a person feeling despair about our planet but you have hope and I'd love to hear what keeps you hopeful. What I did will you hear all the time think globally act locally that's completely the wrong way round because quite honestly. I think everybody who thinks about the state of the planet globally will lose the they just. have any energy to do anything locally they'll be so depressed but of the whole message of roots and shoots if you start actually doing something to make a difference, ben you suck me feel you know while I am making a difference you know that will run the world of the people making a difference. So as I said earlier, the young people are giving me the most home. I'm very passionate about that. Then assists extrordinary intellectual. Ours. You know we're now coming up with ways that we can live in greater harmony was the planet with thinking about ways we can live a lighter ecological footprint every day, which is going to make a difference that makes you feel better. and. Then there's the resilience of nature I described flying over going beans a little tiny island ernest around it by Kooky. Onto any. Hilson. creeped ball. Because people. Puffing. And they realized The. Erosion. Well Jane Goodall let's leave it there on that hopeful note about the resilience of nature. Thank you so much for joining us today it's been such a pleasure philly great. Brian to everybody. Jane Goodall Anthony Brooks. This is on point.

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Dr. Jane Goodall  The Legend, The Lessons, The Hope (#421)

The Tim Ferriss Show

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Dr. Jane Goodall The Legend, The Lessons, The Hope (#421)

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One of this podcast somewhere between six and eight years ago and she is a living legend. Dr Jane Goodall she was born on April third. Nineteen thirty four and London England at the young age of twenty six. She followed her passion for animals in Africa. Tagami Tanzania where? She began her landmark study of chimpanzees in the wild immersing herself like no one had before in their habitat as a neighbor rather than a distant observer discovery in sixty that chimpanzees not only us but make tools rocked the scientific world and redefine the relationship between humans and animals in one thousand nine hundred seven. She established the Jane Goodall Institute. Jj to advance her work around the world and for generations to come JJ continues. The field research gumby and builds on Dr Goodell's innovative approach to conservation which recognizes the central role that people play in the wellbeing of animals and the environment in nineteen ninety. One she founded roots and shoots a program that empowers young people in nearly sixty countries and since its inception in. Nineteen ninety-one has greatly impacted youth in more than one hundred countries to act as the informed cultivation leaders that the world so urgently needs today. Dr Travels around the world normally three hundred plus days a year although certainly quarantine changes that speaking about the threats facing chimpanzees environmental crises and her reasons for hope and we do talk a lot about our current situation and I spoke to her from her childhood home. In England inner books and speeches she emphasizes the interconnectedness of all living things and the collective power of individual action. Dr Goodell is a U. N. Messenger of peace and dame commander of the British Empire if that is not one of the coolest titles you've ever heard. I don't know what is the next chapter of Dr Goodell's life's work unfolds. A brand new documentary and I highly highly recommend watching it. Jane Goodall the hope premiering on Earth Day April twenty. Second that's this April twenty second at nine eastern eight central on Nat Geo Nat Geo wild and net Geo Mundo. The two hour special takes viewers through the chapters of her amazing journey and the sixty years since her groundbreaking discoveries in Gumby researching wall chimpanzees including her Activism Chretien over nonprofit organization. The Jane Goodall Institute as I mentioned earlier and Roots and shoots the youth program which you can find out more about at roots and shoots dot org along with her current efforts to inspire the next generation. Dr Goodell's work through the Jane Goodall Institute is Advanced. The generous support of their donor family. People like you and me in other words to show your support visit. Jane Goodall Dot Org forward slash. Tim Can find her on social on all social platforms at Jane Goodall Inst- as an institute at Jane Goodall inside I N S T and you can find out more about her youth program and visit them on social on all social platforms at roots and shoots and without further ado. Please enjoy this wide-ranging conversation that I so thoroughly enjoyed myself with Dr Jane Goodall Dr Goodall. Welcome to the show. Thank you very much. I'm thrilled to finally connect. I don't use the word hero. Much certainly been a hero and an idol to me for many decades in a previous lifetime. I want to be a marine biologist and I am also very lucky in a sense that I have you in one place because your team has told me you travel and have traveled three hundred plus days a year for the last several decades but my understanding now is that you are in Bournemouth and I thought we would start perhaps close to the beginning and this certainly takes place in England just as context from your childhood. I understand that you grew up during wartime and I would love to hear you describe what that experience was like. Well now. I'm really glad I grew up at time because although it was shocking I mean we will in Bournemouth but some bombs were dropped here. The German fighters used to dump their bombs near the coast if they hadn't managed to hit the target and whistled of in the Middle. So we had the bombs falling. We had sirens air-raid warnings. We had to go into an air raid shelter which is a little tiny cage really supposed to be keeping people safe so families children were issued them and people were killed and damaged and we never knew the bums would fall in London. My uncle was a surgeon so he come back every other weekend with shocking tales of of what had been happening but the reason I say I was glad I grew up then is because I land take nothing for granted. One Square of chocolate was huge. Treat food was rationed closed garage and We had very little money was no television. Only television. Were the news reels. That was just about the war and so books became very very important and I still got my childhood books here with me in the room as I speak to you and so we luckily have. This garden is my grandmother's House and I spent lots and lots of time with my dog. So the really shocking part was hearing about the Holocaust and seeing photographs of the skeletons of the Jews in the camps were opened up. I mean skeletons of living people and that really changed everything. Life started thinking age ten about good and evil so that was my growing up in the wool. As you were growing up I I read a number of stories that seem to In a sense foreshadow much of what would come later but I read stories of your mother finding you observing earthworms in your bed. I read of stories of you hiding and waiting for more than four hours to see a hen laying an egg and the police almost being called. Because you are missing is is that comfort with patients and on some level isolation. Something that you developed yourself. Is that something? You've observed and other family members Would love to hear you comment on that. If you could it was just me. I mean on the family in a loved animals but they didn't observe them a watch them. I didn't have any Any example tour. I was just born that way and having such a supportive mother. I mean UH swims in my bed imaginable. The Earth and the muck and lots of mothers will be horrified and and throw them out of the window which she just required. Lee said You die here and we took them back in the garden amend the Hen House Story. It's one I tell a lot because we went to stay on a farm in the country and I was given. The job of collecting Henson was appropriate from there. Were no animals. Cooped up in tiny prison-like would Animal concentration accounts. They will free roaming in the field and the hens and the NFL but they lay the eggs in these little hen house. Apparently I began asking. Everybody wins the egg. Come out nobody. Distinctly remember seeing hen go into a hen house and I crawled off to her and skulks of fear. She flew out. I can still feel her wings itching. My face and I must have sought in that little four and a half year. Old Brain will know Hen Malayan kids dangerous place so way to that was the time. I waited and waited in this empty house but was rewarded the head and came in and I didn't know the family being read. I was rushing towards the house and that was mom. You can imagine how worried she was having nearly called the police but instead of how dare. You often do bed that again. We should have killed the magic. She sat down to hear this amazing story. And the reason I love it is less the making a little scientist curiosity asking questions. Not Getting the right on to find out feel self making a mistake not giving up and learning patients. A different kind of mother might have crushed that early scientific curiosity and I might not have done or not done. It seemed to really cultivate your not just ability but perseverance with observation and in watching footage of you and we'll we'll certainly get to Africa and other experiences in your biography that you have to have many sensitivities and I could be off base with that but I want to ask you a bit more about your mother because in reading a New York Times profile from Suppose about a year ago there was a one paragraph that caught my eye and it was related to your childhood during wartime and related to your father's brother. Rex who had joined the Air Force and was killed and the sentence that caught. My eye was one day. We were in Bournemouth in the evening and suddenly she. Your mother screamed wrecks and started sobbing hysterically and it was the very moment he was shot down over Egypt. So just for clarity. Is that to say that. She somehow intuited that he had been shot down before receiving news. I'll absolutely I mean nope we didn't know for quite some time under a different. Asians like we were walking on the beach. Normally we have to go up to our little guest house. The quickest way but on this occasion mom decided to take away which she never did. She had a week hot but she took us the long run. I still remember looking up with the Blue Blue Sky. Emceeing an aeroplane quite high and seeing to black things that looked like cigars coming out on each side. Among through me and my assistant to the ground I can still hear the terrible explosion. Am One of those bombs felt right on the path where we would surely have seen if we go short way the normal way. Have you experienced any of that for lack of a better word intuition in your own life in the field or elsewhere or is that something that was unique to your mother? Pretty unique to her. But you know I experience very vividly the presence of my second husband after he guide and it ties in with what other people have seen them felt so in other words. We're going into a different realm here but I don't know what people believe and I'm not quite sure what it all means myself but it's a p people have been asking me what's next big adventure and always say dying because you know when we die the nothing which is fine or something and if there's something what's an adventure to find out you've had you've had more adventures than most and I suppose. This is a good time for those who certainly recognize your name. I think almost everyone will recognize your name. And they'll know that you're considered to be one of the world's foremost experts on chimpanzees but beyond that. I think many people don't know about the early chapters and I'd like to Segue to that because it opens up a number of doors that we can explore. Let's flashback could to March nine thousand nine hundred eighty seven and I believe your passport is missing. Can you explain what has happened? Well we've done a last minute shopping and of course in those days when planes going back and forth that's how long I've lived and it was by boat and we actually I suppose train hustle. Something I can't remember the details and suddenly I found. I didn't have my passport and I remembered we'd been shopping in Peter Jones and so mum rang up shops at they funded. We found somebody to go and collect it who rushed to the dock otherwise I couldn't sailed and all my money would be wasted. So what's the drama with a way to start and that money just just for those? Who aren't familiar W that was painstakingly. Gathered over rather long period of time with various jobs was not. It's not like you had this in a bank account just waiting to be used for whatever purpose for a long period of time school. It was no money for university. I have to have a job. You know we had very little money so I I pulled it a secretarial course which was boring but I got my diploma. I got a job then. Came the letter from a school friend. Inviting me to Kenya so you could save money in London so I went home and got a job a waitress in a hotel around the corner very hard work in those days families coming to spend a week by the seaside. And you've got to look after them for whole week. If you wanted any so the tips the small but hunt made sure they own you. I was saving up for Africa. So it's how I got the money I would love just to spend a moment and we don't have to spend a lot of time on this but discussing Louis Leakey and I've read various accounts of how you connected with him. But I'd like to to hear it directly from you and In perhaps you could describe what it was that he saw in you but that initial contact is and how that came to be is is of great interest to me two could speak to that. I would appreciate it like be staying with my friend for about a couple of months and somebody said to me at a Party. Appeal interested in animals. He released me yours leaky He was curator at that time. A Natural History Museum but of course. He's best known as a a very eminent paleontologist. He'd spent his life with his second wife. Mary Leakey searching for the fossils are stone-age ancestors across Africa and so I was very shy back then but I rang. The museum said I'd love to make an appointment to meet Dr Leaky Voice and I'm leaky what you want. But anyway I was so passionate about animals anyway. Went to see him and he took me all around. He asked me many questions about the stuffed animals. That were there and I think he was impressed. That because I read everything I could about Africa. I on so many of these questions while I mentioned earlier that boring secretarial course. I did two days before I met leaky. His secretary had suddenly quit. He needed a secretary and there. I was never know in this life. So I'm suddenly surrounded by people who can answer all my questions about the mammals and birds reptiles amphibians the insects the plans. It was heaven. Oh you leykis wanted. He see in. May young a feeling that women may better observe us. They were more patient. He also wanted somebody to go and study chimpanzees because of his interest in human evolution. So the fossils of early man that he was uncovering can tell a lot from up fossil about whether the creature walked upright muscle attachments. The wear of the tooth shows roughly. The kind of Diet behavior doesn't plus lies so he reckon there was a apelike human like common ancestor about six million years ago? Just now generally accepted and that he thought Jane Behavior in chimps and humans today is similar or same maybe it came directly from the common ancestor and has been with us through a long separate eagerly journeys in which case he could have a better way of imagining how his early humans used to behave so he wanted a mind uncluttered by the reductionist thinking of the animal behavior. People at the time. It was a very new science. They were anxious to make it a hard science which it shouldn't be and so the fact I hadn't been to college was plus the fact that I was a woman was plus. I was lucky for he. He seems to have picked the winning lottery ticket or at least a a very formidable combination of traits and if we take that mention of patients or his belief that in part women make better observers because of more patients if we flash forward then to you landing in Ghamdi Stream National Park Tanzania from getting the pronunciation correct. I was watching The first net gio maybe not the first but the one of the more recent NAT. Go documentaries about you titled Jane and in that and also in your writing. I believe it took something like five months of constant effort and having chimpanzees flee from your presence to finally be what we might call accepted and I have two questions related to that. The first is what do you think made the difference? Why did they go from fleeing to accepting and second is when you I really had the opportunity to look deeply into a chimpanzees is what did you? What did you see and just as importantly? What did you feel alright? Well the acceptance in the in the movie it sort of look to survey something accepted made. It wasn't like that it was very gradual. It was partly thanks to this one male who began to lose his much ahead of the others. Michael Him David Greybeard subtly white band and because he began to let me get closer and closer I think if I came to group in the forest and he was with that group because they separate into you know separate small groups and sometimes but if he was there than the others were ready to run but he was sitting calmly and I suppose that made them feel well. She can't be so dangerous after all so gradually. I could get closer. And the first time I came close to a group. That didn't run away. I think was one of the proudest moments of my life. You know it made it just in time before the six months money ran out and So go I'd seen David Greybeard use and make tools to fish for termites. Thought to be something only humans capable of. That's what brought the geographic lie to the beginning. Six months off to the study began may agree to gone funding. It was David Greybeard. The first chimpanzee that you were able to get close enough to to sort of connect eye-to-eye with definitely what did you see and feel when you had that opportunity. Well I saw that I was looking is a thinking feeling being and it was not so surprising. You might think because I'd always felt that animals were thinking feeling beings but with the chimpanzee so like US behaviorally and biologically. It's it's almost. It's not like looking at another human is different and I can't explain how it's different but it was a very magical moment. Because he looked back. That was the thing he didn't run. He just sat there and looked back at me. I would love to ask questions about what we might learn. And what perhaps you've learned about human nature or even questions have been raised in your interactions and observations of chimpanzees and mentioned it briefly but it it's hard to overstate just how incredible and shocking and world-shattering for many people was that you observed chimpanzees not just using tools but constructing tools for in this case consuming. Termites mean it. May it made news around the world? You'd many other observations. I believe also that the belief that chimpanzees were purely vegetarians. Also you observed not to be the case with their their consumption of other primates exactly and you noted and I know this was a real in some is a FAUX PAS at the time real personalities. And you might have been accused of anthropomorphic at all of these things but you observe different personalities in different chimpanzees and I thought perhaps we could just start with a story and that is the story of old man and Mark Cassano. If I'm getting the pronunciation right and then I have questions about a few other chimpanzees you personally had quite a bit of interaction with crews on our own land on an island in Lion Country Safari in Florida and old man had been in medical research it being captured from the wild. His mother was shocked and he was called old man. Because an infant shampoos distressed and frightened they have wrinkled faces and they huddle only they do not carry old and he was lucky loose about twelve and for some reason he was known now more used to the lab and he was put on an island with three females two of them for medical research one from searches and Maku Sauna was employed to look after them and he was told. Don't go anywhere near them that bishops. They hate people much stronger than you. They'll kill you so he troops food from his little paddle boat onto the island and began watching them. A baby was born so old man was the father and he felt visas. Such amazing beams. I must have some kind of relationship with them. If I'm to look after them supergun going closer close on one day. He held out a banana in his hand. When when Oldman to beat he said I know how you felt when David Banana from you. When they he went onto the island one day he groomed old man one day they they played an old man. I laughed and they became basically. That was a friendship and then one day mark slipped into being raining fell flat on his face unfortunately frightened this infant. Who is the love of old man's life that will bind us to protect and carry him and share Food Welsh? The mother hearing her scream raced an attacked mark biting his neck. The other two females to support her ran in one big his wrist one becky's leg and Marc will hound awesome. I going to get away from them so much stronger than us. He looked up. He saw old man thundering across the island with a furious colonists base on he thought his time and come to die on come to protect is precious infant but what old man did was to pull those. Three screaming rose females off mock and keep them away while not dragged himself to safety. I met mark when he came out of hospital. He said no questions. Oldman saved my life and so in. I always think if a chimpanzee who's being abused by people can reach out to help a human friend in time of need then surely agree with a greater capacity. Compassion can do the same to the chimpanzees in that time. The thank you for telling that story. And it's I think a useful and beautiful segue into a discussion of some of the other things that you observed and in this case we see compassion on the part of old man and then Perhaps on the other hand you've also observed quite a lot of aggression and violence Within chimpanzee communities of both the I think it was nineteen seventy four to seventy eight. Gumby Chimpanzee War I saw footage of. I think it was the southern troop being violated or at least the The dead bodies of those chimps. I believe in. Please correct me if I'm wrong. That in some cases dominant females will deliberately kill the young of other females to maintain dominance observing that in chimpanzees but also observing the compassion as you have. What has that led you to Believe or infer about human nature. Well it's interesting when I began talking about aggression. Many scientists told me I should play that down because it might indicate that aggression in humans was inherited from a Pasta Ancestors. Which for me was very clearly the case and I thought. I'm not going to be bullied. I never have been by scientific opinion so I continued to talk about it. And it was the time you wouldn't remember. It was nineteen seventy seven. I think and it was a time. When whether aggression is innate inborn or acquired land was was a huge controversy. And that's when I I really talked about it to a scientific community and I I don't know I mean. It seems obvious to me that we've inherited from our common ancestor traits of aggression and also traits of compassion and empathy. To what extent if we take an example a from your personal experience and I I know very little about Frodo but Frodo seems to have been amongst the chimpanzees. You had exposure to one of the more aggressive. But I'd love to hear you speak to this. And how would you explain the variance among chimpanzees? Was it also appear to be a nate? Did did it seem to stems from some type of trauma. How did you think about that? And perhaps Frodo specifically well. They're all different. Some are much more aggressive than others disliked. We off a Rodeo. Once spoiled he was a spoilt Brat is a mother was the highest ranking female. At the time he had to he had one older brother who always came to his defense did fee and so he always got his own way and he was he was a real bully. So it's to a two young ones plane same age as him haves and he came to join them they would stop playing immediately because they knew if he entered the game he suddenly become rough and cause them to be hurt so it wasn't just humans. Feel the systems and specially mean that he targeted with his displays hitting over dragging. I got Western Wall. I was stamped upon. But he was not try really to her. But he was trying to assert his dominance and I guess they don't realize quite how strong they are. I'M GONNA be wanted to kill me. I wouldn't be speaking to you now. That special is the assertion of dominance does is how much of this conscious and I don't know how one would even know but is is that is that a conscious or potentially conscious political maneuver to to get better access to resources and so on or is it really just a conditioned behavior based on as you said being being spoiled and that just being some type of primitive drive that they have and perhaps even we have because Don's brother before him became the top ranking male android had a very different character was reflective He became dominant not to aggression but still being smart some of the males get to the top by share aggression by bullying by swaggering about waving their arms. They remind me so much of some. Human politicians is not true but There are other males who get to the top by skillfully forming alliances and they only tackle high ranking male when the allies said to support them and then there are some who just persist they persist in charging towards groups of superior males who agree me each other startling them so they run away an Indian. This was Goblin Indian. I think the other males so it will he just go on doing us all right miss. Just let him get to the top. We don't care anymore. That's how it seemed. And he penned millions and he was small and he wasn't very blessed to you are I think for many people a messenger of hope and I personally swing quite often more often than I would like. Between having faith in humankind human nature and feeling as though we are perhaps hard coded or through DNA destined to at times revert to our lesser selves lowest selves most aggressive selfish selves. How have you formed your own thinking or I should say what is what is your thinking about human nature and where it has let us and how that relates to perhaps poor decisions and good decisions that we've made that have landed us where we are. Certainly you're in your childhood home Spending more time in England now than you have in decades. I'm also in in lockdown. But how after your many decades of observation of not just chimpanzees but humans. Where do where do you currently stand on thinking about human nature? Well I find sadly there are some people who really cost a very bad light on human beings. We looked down from another planet. And that's I mean you know as I told you earlier I was so shocked about Holocaust on. That's what made me think about human evil. And the way we differ from the chimps is that chimps can be aggressive in chimps can kill. But it's on something that's roused. It's a a strong emotion and they just display an attack but human beings can sit and think and plan deliberate torture mental and physical in cold blood and that I think is where we differ an changes from aggression to evil. And it's the dichotomy I mean. Some people are saintly and patient and good and other people The opposite and unfortunately. Today we have many presidents and prime ministers who seem to be more concerned for their own advance on their own careers. Their own power Their own acquisition of wealth gun for the good of the people who elected them. So we're both and it's going to be a race. Isn't it as to which side will win if they if the greedy materialism of the capitalist materialistic world wyndhams then we're doomed and this is why I spend so much of my time trying to grow program for young people because I would say almost none of the young people who've been through this program which began in ninety-one and is now in six countries and his kindergarten through university in Idaho? I don't know more than two. Who strayed from the part of having good values respect for nature respect for each other? So I want to grow more and more of these young people because they're the future leaping stealing their future for decades and this is the roots and shoots youth program that you're referring to yes roots and shoots dot org also put that in the show notes for everyone of course. Let's let's talk a little bit more about that and As it relates to youth program the the cultivation of minds that are inclined to bend towards the light instead of the darkness or towards good instead of evil. I know there's a very strong words but let's use them for now. If we're looking at the current situation as it relates to SARS Cov two and Cova nineteen and so on Could you speak to? What got us into this fix. And I mean I'm thinking. Of course the wildlife trade it's effects on human health and so on it doesn't need to be specific to that but how we got here how we contributed to it and then also if if you're teaching us how you would how you would educate them so that they don't make the same mistakes. They long last week questions I did. It's a bit of a sloppy question. Sorry about that with the Hocutt nineteen cassettes on everybody's minds right now and the shocking thing is. It's been predicted by science. Decades just like climate change has been predicted and I only wish somehow that been locked down about climate. Change the way that this being locked down over this this this virus because you know we we. We have known for all this time that because we are destroying the environment of some of these animals. There's spending having to spend more time in contact with each other because they've got less habitat and also more time in contact with humans and sometimes that's that involves crop rating but there's also people penetrating deeper and hunting. And then of course selling the meat in the African markets Bushmeat Aman selling me to cross Asia in these terrible what they're known as wet markets and also selling animals for medication for pets. All of this bringing us in close contact so the theory seems to be what the virus in a wild animal and because of this closer contact between animals it jumps into another animal. And that's when in these very bad conditions including factory forms by the way the virus commend jump into a human if there is a similar kind of virus with which this new one combined and that leads to a new A new form which as as is the case with with the Kobe. Nineteen can be rather devastating. Just think if we if we treated climate change like this all those years ago when we were warned about it we might not be in the State Lauren. Now so basically I'm saying is. Our leaders have not listened to science. The big corporations have not listened to science and hundreds of people. Now we're in this materialistic money. Grabbing age you know just want to carry on with business as usual. They don't want to think about not eating. Well the meat they won't or not Favoring the destruction of a piece of habitat to build yet another shopping mall so you know. That's that's what the viruses teaching us. And will we learn from it? We didn't seem to land from the markets were live animals are banned for awhile but then it started up again. China is not talking about making it permanent with a still allowing animals. Wild animals to be sold medicine snaps. A tremendous loophole luckily people in China to close that loophole. To if you have a classroom and as you do now with social media I mean you you are arguably reaching more people now virtually than you might in travel speaking to live audiences. But let's say you had a classroom of ten thousand children or adolescents youth. Who were hanging on your every word. What are the principles truths that you would infuse in your lessons to them? That could possibly help. Avoid some of these problems that we've we've created a or types of thinking. What would the would the curriculum? Look like must've Let me just say that roots and shoots which began in Nineteen Ninety One. Twelve high school students dar-es-salaam incomes in Yep We decided as a meeting the same of our aid. You know coaching in the pox. Illegal dynamite fishing and street children than cruel treatment of animals in the market. I mean they were concerned about what kinds of different things so we decided that the main message this new program that we wanted to start together would be that every single individual matters is role to play and makes a difference every single day with a choice to kind of difference to make right from the beginning because I learned about the Indian connection of things in the rainforest. How every species matters has evolved play? We decided that every group formed would choose between them three projects one to help people wanted to help animals one to help the environment and they would share their projects with each other and so we began listening to them. What did they feel matter? How could we help them? And when he when young people understand the problems and we empower them to take action and listen to their voices. It's quite extraordinary. I mean the my main reason for hope is traveling around the world as I have been. I've met so. Many young people have been positive. Roots and shoots or similar groups. Shining is wanting to tell Dr Jane what they've been doing to make a better world and because they can choose they they they're passionate and they sit down together and they discuss it very democratic. They discuss what what they can do between them on. Bay Sometimes ASK FOR HELP. Maybe a parent may be a teacher And then they will up this leaves and take action whether it's restoring a wetland whether it's installing rubbish bins or organic gardens in the schools whether it's saving up money to help quake victims and because we put them in touch with each other face to face when possible but but truly which is wonderful they are inspiring each other. Yes we do have some curricula because some countries wanted UK wanted a curriculum. Were one hundred. One thousand seven hundred schools now and some of the African countries want curricula. Sometimes it's just you know so yes I do have messages for them and I do talk to them about the role that they can play about the importance of thinking about the consequences of the little choices. You make each day. How people may look different. Sound different the different languages. Different color of skin. But if they've fall and bleed the blogs saying if they wait the tears of the same and kids get it so it's not so much teaching. It's it's sort of the values of developed. They've grown up with the program and we now have a number of adults in quite high places and they have kept their values as they as they read the program and move on into adult life. So we've got teachers and people in government and people in law an alleged just remembering the importance of respect is a key word. Respect the environment respect for animals and of course I tell them about animals in how each one has a personality. A mind emotion. How pigs and rats and octopus are amazingly intelligent and how they can feel pain and fear and despair so it depends on the children on their age kindergarten university. Between between depends what I tell them. But I do as many Gatherings of young people as I possibly can and as you say now I can do it. Virtually and I can talk to them about things that I've learned. I recall a few years ago speaking with a friend of mine who I consider to be a good father a good parent and I asked him what advice he would have for someone like me. Considering having children I have none of my own yet and his advice he had a number of pieces of advice but his first was teach your children to be optimists and it seemed like a precursor or a prerequisite for so many other things. And I'm I'm looking at a time. Article Time magazine Article. That is that you wrote in two thousand two and I just WanNa read one paragraph and then ask you to elaborate or speak to it. So here's here's the paragraph. The greatest danger to our future is apathy. We cannot expect those living in poverty and ignorance to worry about saving the world for those of us able to read this magazine and my side note or listen to this podcast. It Is Different. We can do something to preserve our planet. You may be overcome. However by feelings of helplessness. You're just one person in a world of six billion. How can your actions make a difference? Best you say to leave it to decision makers and so you do nothing. Can we overcome apathy? Yes but only if we have hope and speak to that and also just to how you cultivate. Hope whether that's in yourself or the people you speak to well. I have my reasons. Hope which I'm always sharing with people but The singer people feeling helpless. Could they don't know what to do this message? If our youth programs that every individual makes a difference and it's just you picking up trash pits just you saving more than it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference but because people are becoming more aware all around the World Ben does not you but thousands millions of people picking up trash saving more and so the message again being think about the consequences of the small choices you make everyday. What do you eat? We did it come from the town. The environment was it cruel to animals like the intensive bombing Is it cheap? Because of child slave labor somewhere make ethical choices and because millions of people making ethical choices way moving in the right direction and all of our young people you know they're influencing their parents and grandparents and I know that because the parents tell me so you know my reconsider hope number one is the youth I've said because they just so inspiring and secondly I say it's very bizarre but what makes us more different from chimps and other animals is explosive development about intellect. I mean look at what's happening now with the social media is one example. You and I talking went far apart way reaching millions of people. I mean. It's quite amazing. Isn't it when you think about it? We sent rockets demise and all that sort of thing so how did this most intellectual creatures destroying its only home so that seems to be this disconnect between the clever Brian and the human says love and compassion and thinking about? How does this help me now? Instead of how does it affect Future Generations? So now we're beginning to use our brains scientists tall to come up with more and more sophisticated. Technology will help us. Lead Beth Living more commonly with the natural world if governments would sponsor clean green energy rather than less succumbing to that ties with the oil and gas industry. We could be more or less off the granted. Many countries today China on India moving in that direction rapidly as well But each one of us can use our brains to think about the the environmental footprint. We thank each day amendment the resilience of Nature I tell people stories about areas that were totally destroyed. Rivers Lakes Lake. Mary was so polluted that it caught fire was polluted analogous fish swimming in it. Because people can animals on the brink of extinction of being given another jobs just have to say the habitats the up to change the mindset of those companies that want to destroy a forest to make money out of the wood or destroy forest to get minerals out of the ground to make more money but then we got to solve property because as you quoted Enya. If you'll really poor what what can. What can you do except cut the last three down of desperate to grow food to feed your family? Cheap is junk food because you doing to solve property unsustainable lifestyle of breast bus. But you know my last reasonable hoke is this indomitable human spirit the people who tackle what seems impossible and win involved and they may die as a result of that conviction but in the end they succeed I would live to speak about the power. Storytelling we've We've been discussing for at least a few minutes. Or at least made mention of intellect and technology to powerful and very interrelated facets of our human experience in watching the trailer for perhaps the next chapter of your life's work that will be shown and the story told in Jane Goodall the hope which is going to premiere on Earth Day April Twenty second on Nat Geo and include. That she a wild. And that's your moondog. I'll include all those details in the show notes and also will have already mentioned them in the introduction but there was a there was a quote in that trailer about changing minds. And the quote. Is this if you want somebody to change their mind? It's no good arguing. You've got to reach the heart and I wanted to. This might seem like a strange segue. I'd love to ask the question of Mr McGregor. And and how he came to his end. Could you speak to WHO MR McGregor was and ultimately how he died out with an old man like fusco go to Kombi slightly bored on the top of his head? Bit cantankerous and he was just really very very special. He had a special relationship with a young female. I don't know if she was related to him but he was old and she was young. Houston protect Amend probably the DOC stays even was some. The Wall was when the chimps were affected with a polio epidemic. And it was a terrible time. I one would come back dragging a paralyzed. Limb one Mellon Tool Cup right because one arm Toki paralyzed but Mr McGregor was paralyzed in both legs and he dragged himself up to the feeding station and I think the most awful part was on the other. Chimpanzees shunned him a fear of strangeness. Which of course is very adaptive if an infectious disease but I can never forget. It was a group of the other males grooming in a tree with enormous effort. Gregor dragged himself from branch to branch with just the strength of his arms and they took one look and climbed down and the look on his face. Will this effort. Which if I'd done wrong. Why are they going away very slowly he he? He went down to the ground again and in the end we had shoot him because we didn't have any other way of euthanizing him. We could have kept him alive feeding him but on us. But if you'd seen the sadness on his face there was no way that was alive for chimpanzee it could have been cruel so it made a deep deep impression on me. Mr McGregor and when I saw it in the movie it brought brought it'll back was a terrible time. What did you take from that experience? Whether MR McGregor in that entire experience or the polio itself affecting the chimpanzees around you what did you. What did you take from that experience or learned from that experience well and they definitely from human beings. I'm fortunately none of us. None of us a tool. But there was an epidemic in the nearby town and just some unreason. The doctor said. It wasn't polio. What he thought it was so there was no medication that was no vaccination and fuss lame chimps seen way down south near that place an I presume that spread from them up to our community because nobody in our staff or any anybody who got polio wanted. I take away from it. The fact that you know I think human beings have tended to treat people who behave strangely with fear and shown them that's led to a lot of suffering like people with cerebral Palsy To shut them away not realizing that inside. Those strange movements sometimes sometimes strange songs insides of accurately normal brain. But the brain can't express itself so Mr Mcgregor had what we think was his younger brother. An humphry was the only one who never left. You wouldn't go near Raga. But he's fade nearby in the trees. Even when all the rest of the group went far away feeding on some fruit humphry stayed an obsolete. We Youth Anais. We did it when no jumps around including free for at least the next month. I'm became an Saturn trees near where Mr McGregor had been so it it just taught me a lot about how chimpanzees and humans react to something strange if we then look at the work. You're doing now the work you've been doing over the last several decades but particularly with the the youth program and also in my mind trying to affect change with decision makers the the people in positions of power who are responding to their own incentives whether that be could be getting reelected could be power of some other type it could be. Acquisition of of capital could be any number of things. Are there any stories that you have found particularly effective for reaching the heart to grab the attention of of people as you've traveled in spoken with so many over so many so many decades is? Is there anything that sticks out to you? Well most people absolutely right telling stories. I always try and spend a little bit of time finding out the person I'm going to meet piss somebody in in in government or something do have children. They have dogs. I mean just so you can start something often. Not just I'm here for this bla-bla-bla lobbying on the hill for example and then try to tell stories. Because I've found that if you point fingers if you'll augmented if you'll blaming then you don't you don't see change because they're not going to let especially a woman some high powered man. There's nothing to let a woman make him look stupid by saying. Oh your rights him. I'm wrong change. I believe has to come from within. And so if you can reach the heart and there was a medical research lab and I managed to get better conditions in that lab by reaching the heart of the director of the lab telling stories about the chimps and there was another director Alab. This is slightly different. But he had a sixteen year old daughter who came to one of my ledges and I was showing secretly filmed footage of the awful conditions in the lab of which he was director conditions of the chimps. He said is don't came back. One day from this Lech sobbing. I'm saying daddy or so cruel. How can you do this? And he said Jane two years. I absolutely hated you. But he said please. Could you come and see the lab now because you are right and I never accused him directly through his daughter and he changed the lab completely The last story I love I was in a taxi was very early in the morning. I was very tired. I was going to have a snooze on the way to the airport and he had that I was one of those animal lovers and oh he couldn't stand that and his sister was one of those animal lovers to the all these poor people a why won't be helping them. What was it about animals who I thought. Oh well that's the end mice news and I pulled up the window. Lean forward in the jump seat and I told him stories about the chimps and stories about dogs all the way to the airport. We got there. He just grunted and you know. I really didn't make any difference but I had to try. He owed me ten pounds at the end because he didn't have any change so I said we'll give it to you for the work. She does in the shelter animal. I never thought he would but I got back two weeks later. There was a letter from the system and she said festival. I really want to thank you for your donation. Secondly what did you do to my brother? She said he's listening to me. He's been three times to help me in the shelter. So it's always worth doing your best because you never know what effect that is going to have. Sometimes you will never know. It was pure luck that ended the way it did. That's incredible and if if we if we dig into that just a little bit more whether it's that first director of the lab or the cabdriver you mentioned telling stories about the chimps but there are many different ways to tell stories and there are many stories that could be told. What types of stories did you tell either of them that you think could have had that impact? Our I talked about the strong bonds between family members the ON MATERNAL BEHAVIOR. I told stories like when one infant lost his mother who was three years old. It will mel. He didn't have an older brother or sister who would have adopted him with sets what they do but he was adopted. I A twelve year old unrelated adolescent male. Who carried him around shed? His food with him drew him into the night necessarily they slept called up together and most amazing the analysts mail. You should keep well out of the way of adult males socially roused charging screaming. But it'll mel who normally would have been taken away by his mother before he got into danger and spindle risk everything by running in to rescue him if he got too close to those miles even though he was beaten up quite badly himself go see. There's a legal analyst miles of scapegoats for the big meals and he saved Mel's life nominee question. Gus The kind of story that I turn you also seem to be A aside from an expert storyteller very good at using imagery or symbols and sometimes stories themselves are symbols. But could you describe MR H? Who's Mr H H was given to me twenty eight years ago? I mind call Gary Horn. Which is why he's missed. H I'm Gary. When blind when he was two and he won decided to become a magician. Everybody said but Gary you can't be a magician if you're blind. He does shows for children. I watched him three or four times now and of course he sets his props up ahead of time. Children don't know he's blind and at the end he'll tell him and he'll say you know something might go wrong in your life. You can't tell if it does. Don't give up the police away and he does scuba diving cross country skiing skydiving but I think most amazing. He taught himself to paint and when he gave me Mr h e thought he was giving me stuff chimp but Mr Age has a tail and I made him hold detail he said never mind taking with you and you know. I'm ready in spirit. So he's one of those examples of the indomitable human spirit doing skydiving when you're blind teaching themselves to paint and there's a picture in this little book called blind artists which you can only get on Amazon and as a portrait of Mr H. He's never seen him. He's only fell to him. And it's unbelievable and MR H if I'm not mistaken has been many places with you I is. I don't know if you still have Mr h but I have eight. She's in this room with me By get take him to elect show he'd be a child who bust into tears. I wanted to touch Mr h because I tell them they inspiration. Russell but you know I have other symbols. I have one of the long long long I think of. I'm trying to make my my hands over to foot at that from the wing of a California condor. I've got the proper permits for it. And they were. They were downed twelve buds. And now the story many of them flying the skies. And so I have that as a symbol of the pack. We can save animals from extinction. I've got a piece of the Berlin Wall. There was a time after the war when we go up at Berlin Wall was up forever between East and West Germany but it came down. Wolves do come down despite. What one of our country's presidents thinks about roles And so I. I carry these symbols me. I've got a piece of limestone mcquarry Wa Nelson Mandela Labor for twenty one years. I think it was twenty one years in a limestone quarry. I'm before he attained his freedom and moved his country out of the evil regime of apartheid. Do you still have jubilee? And could you explain who jubilees jubilee? You know so. Many people think that because my father gave me a very large stock chimpanzee when I was one and a half but that is why I chose to study. Chimpanzees couldn't be further from the truth but I did love Jubilee and Jubilee. I had when I was one and a half and I'm sixty. I mean eighty-six now so you can imagine he's nearly board now and he's actually sitting in the National Geographic Exhibition in DC In a specially built bullet proof glass case. Because I didn't want him. You Know I. It's dangerous them to go away. He's much to purchase but he was hand carried and he's sitting down. That exhibition is going to go online. They they've made some way of showing it to people so people will be able to see the real jubilee in that school. Becoming Jane generally went with me everywhere when I was a child. I mean literally everywhere and when you then had your own child after your experiences with your mother. My understanding is that You didn't have much of a relationship with your father but more so with your mother and then your experiences with the a chimpanzee mothers flow for instance. How did you think about mothering or parenting? I I imagine a lot of it was very primal drive. That was created new. But what did you decide? Were there any decisions based on what your Mother did with you or what? You observed in flow and others that affected your parenting style or mothering style. You know. Sneha Julio baby tight I'm really an when when I was pregnant. I Two five Mother Rain Nuggets in Africa. I by the way mom raised me. I don't just fought with elaborate. That actually has some really sound advice but I also thought about flow and all those three examples along with as you say assaultive instinct because after the baby was born of course. I adored him that comb Jane Forgotten. What a gorgeous baby was essentially and. Jonty anyway so what I learned from the Chimp. Mothers just like us. There are good and bad mothers and the good chimp. Mother's like mine support that child even if they know they're going to get attacked. They will run to rescue their child from danger. And the offspring of those now we can look back and find that they tend to do better. They more assertive more confident. The males reach a higher position. The hierarchy probably simul offspring and the females. A better mothers but the one thing that I really took away from from Flow and the other chimp mothers. They love to play with their babies would spend hours playing with them and I thought yes. I'm GonNa have fun with my baby too. I think so too mother's Day lying on my back and sort of dangling. Grab from my feet and tickling him and things like that so I had a lot of fun with him and that came through chimps. How did he get the name? Grub very silly. He was born about the same time as little chimp could Goblin and Goblin was a very messy eater. I mean all the other chimps would tumble around playing come out sleek and black. And he had he'd have every burr around Dr his his hair and one case he got hold of a very big banana. It was about as big as him and he's eating it but you know he thought too much so he takes a mouthful large Michael. He spits it into his hand. He looks at it. And then he smashes the hand with a banana space at my son. he was a message to tweet. Didn't want to be weaned and he didn't like baby food and he would do much like Goblin. He was complete mess with it and so it became Goblin Goblin grump and then my son became grumbling. He's real name is probably nightmares. Roughly UH and in in in the film Jane. I'm referring to for people listening in. We don't have to spend a ton of time on this. If you prefer to discuss other things but I I found myself wondering after Grubb was really raised in the Bush and Had this natural existence at at some point the decision was made to help him socialize and be educated and I remember the footage in this film of walking down the street hand in hand in London. What was it like for him going from these all natural environments to that urban environment and being dropped off at school and just as the time after that he was dropped off you know he was quite a bit of time on note in verse us in Nairobi and we did go to school last. Wasn't that you and also my mother had been out visiting twice so he knew very very well and when you went back to England he wasn't just dumped in the school. He went to live where I am now in this house. I'm actually in the room. And so he was with an extended family and he la actually loved school. So you know it wasn't it. It's pseudo sounds brutal but it more brutal for me than him to see enjoyed school and I felt that I shouldn't have let him go. But I wouldn't have non family hadn't been there wasn't a very loving home and it wasn't really that strange. How you relate to being alone. It seems that you're very comfortable. Incredibly comfortable spending time solitary by yourself Certainly in Africa. That seemed to be the case. A how do you relate to that? I think that being alone is something many people. Fear How do you think about it relate to it you know the Child? I was ending hours alone out the guards watching insects with my dog. Going up and down the former to actually really good training. Gumby it's a different and suspend hours up in the top of my favorite tree which I'm looking at right now Beach is a beach tree. And I felt up near the buds on Costa I. I don't know a wonderful feeling being alone being alone in the forest in gumby absolute bliss and the biggest problem with my life on the road is that I have so little time alone. So hotel rooms come to be a haven in a way because I can shut and lock the door. I'm alone and do you find that you recharge by yourself or what. What is what is your experience like by yourself. I know that might sound like a strange question but many people busy themselves to avoid being alone are feeling alone. What what What does it feel like for you to be alone? Just feels really piece. It means that I can think my own thoughts I can do things like reading. I think being a child growing up without TV in a reading reading much less busy than watching a TV show. And I. I think it's very sad that so many children don't get to read more enough oldest television all the time you know. I was in love with chosen and when mom saved up to take me to probably the first Johnny Weissmuller film that came over. Great treat FA- J.J. Took me an after a little while I started to cry jets. Take me out yet. What emphasis the matter? I said but that wasn't Tarzan because as there was no TV. No movies I had my own. Tauzin that I fell in love with wasn't jumping. Weisman would have that opportunity anymore. Because right from the beginning that deluge with wisdom information of how they should see the world the you you strike me as someone with not just unique perspectives on the world but a unique capability in sharing them through not not just storytelling and sheer endurance. But also a high degree of of compassion and this is all a way of leading up to a question related to something you mentioned earlier and that is you just a handful of days ago really a turned eighty six and you seem as sharp as ever as busy as ever. Someone on your team was saying that you they they're impression is that you seem to work from six am to ten. Pm with the exception of a dog. Walk in the middle to. What do you attribute you the maintenance of or maybe even increase of your mental clarity and sharpness and endurance? For such a long period of time people obviously inherited very good genes from my father. Actually that was a major contribution he made to who I am. A lot of the rest of it came from but he had he was tough and strong He could endure so he was in the war anyway. what do I attributed to? While I don't actually think people say do you have do you exercise. Do you meditate. What what food. What Diet and on and on like that. What supplements I see. Well I you know I just eat what's around I don't want to eat very much. I don't care about food. I don't take any supplements I don't have a special diet except time could you -Tarian or when I'm at home now Vegan And I don't have time to do exercise you being just the airports walking was the dog. Now yes but he's old and he's the only goal I've ever met who doesn't like walking. And even when he he didn't he's a whip it smell like cat morning honestly. It was like taking a reluctance snail out for a walk. It's because well I mean if you think about things and I've always loved writing. I think that's very important. I didn't want to be assigned to snow. Wanted to be a naturalist live with animals in light books about them and so I've always loved writing. My mother loved writing to cut. I have a story somewhere confined it now. I dictated to her when I was five and upset. Charming little story by Gerard with the neck. So long he'd reach up to the moon that's why it was always animals. Uc So telling stories thinking about stories that used to write a lot of poetry And just you know right now when I was younger what going to study chimps would mean that I'd be having this life and become thanks to becoming a certified calm when it first happened. I was really really disturbed this because you know why would people thinking about me like that was just me was unlucky person but then I realized well if people recognize me because of geographic and and come up once a signature of Selfie now Make use of it and be nice to them and smile at them and give them a brayshaw until him about roots shoes so there was a time when as I went around the US you could see the root shoot groups bringing up in like comment to the tail but obviously was look back on my life. Honestly Tim and I see that stages and the end of the state was across roads and it never seen. If I consciously made a decision it just was something that happened to change me and I think of made the right decision and I meant to be here and I meant to be doing this. Nut gives me extra. I suppose endurance to cope with it. I can't passionately about future. The Environment Animals Jovan and supposed because I think a lot I gained wisdom. I hope I want to share it. I think you're doing a fantastic beyond fantastic job and one thing I've also noticed gathered from people who work with you on your team and seen in videos. Is that people many fans of yours. Many people you you encounter become very emotional in your presence. They might break down in tears. For instance that is not always the case with figures who are well-known. How would you explain that or why do you? Why do you think that's the case that so many people get so emotional when they meet you? Look at piloted a lot and I THE AUSTIN. They don't seem to know and then they apologize. I know no don't apologize. It's something that some unreasonable. I inspire these. Tia's I ask them why they why that crying they will. I never thought I'd see you. I can't believe I'm seeing. I'm so happy to be to be here. And you made my dream come true and I suppose I don't know. My grandmother used to cry every time she was happy. Seems like that seems like you make a lot of people happy and perhaps it is. I mean as a messenger of hope in many respects that you give people hope I think that There's in some respects a real shortage of hope in in many people's minds and assume spend so much time evening gloom and doom and that is a hell of a lot of gloom and doom. I know but there's also such wonderful things happening am sharing the good stories of successes The nobility of so many people self sacrifice which we're seeing with the corona virus to Then then people realize all is not loss still a lot that we can do to make the subject of wild and automate chooses always at least one on often more people who come up and say I had lost hope but I promise you. I'm going to do my bit. Thank you for giving me some hope again and the job of mine of giving people hope is is a really important one right now right now more than perhaps before and it's so compelling. I think not just because you're good at giving people hope but also because you are in a way living proof and the poster child for what hope can enable you to do if that makes any sense. You're not just a passive commentator giving lip service to hope. I mean you are a case study in. How much fuel and endurance in part hope can provide. I think that's at least for me. Why it's so compelling and convincing and and inspiring so thank you for that. You said that your friend told you to teach your children to be to be optimistic. I it's it's really teach them up but you can tell stories until stories about people and encourage them and support them. I mean so. Many parents have set views on what they want to be. And the less Mike. It from my mother is it was. Nobody was thinking about going to Africa living with animals when I wanted to accept a few explorers you know who wanted to shoot them and put them in museums but when everybody laughed at me and said I'd never get there was just a girl. It was a war. We didn't have money. Mom said if you really want something like this. You're going to have to work really really odd. Take advantage of every opportunity. And if you don't give up you will find a way to do some do that or something. Something else that you really really want to do that story I that was done. I take an share with young people everywhere especially in disadvantaged communities and I wish mom knew how many people have said Jane Bank. You taught me that because you did it. I can do it to you have so many projects and opportunities ahead of you before I perhaps tie to close with a description of a few things that you have coming and then tell people where they can find out more about you and certainly follow along with your continued adventures. I'd be curious to ask if you had a billboard metaphorically speaking that could get a message out to billions of people could be a word of phrase a question and image really anything. What might you put on the billboard member that you make a difference every single day perfect? That could not be couldn't be more perfect. Dr Jane Goodall. You have a new documentary. This is certainly continuing to showcase the incredible work you do. This is Jane Goodall subtitled the hope which premiering Earth Day. That's this April twenty second nine eastern eight central on Nat Geo that she a wild Mundo. It is a two hour documentary. Special that will take viewers through chapters of your journey in sixty years since you're groundbreaking discoveries and Gumby researching while chimpanzees including your activism creation of your nonprofit organization and where and also where people can find more about you Jane Goodall Dot. Org that is the Jane Goodall Institute Jay Gi and Roots and shoots Richard Schutz Dot Org. That is your youth program along with your current efforts to inspire the next generation and I would go a step further and say not. Just efforts but successes. It's tremendously inspiring. Not just not just because of the ethos but the actual effect that you are having. It's just remarkable people can find you on social media. You're doing some very fun. Things like storytime with Dr Jane. But instagram. That is at Jane Goodall. Inst- like institute. I N S T twitter Jane Goodall inst- and same on facebook Jane Goodall inst- and then the roots and shoots is the same on facebook instagram and twitter. The handle is at roots and shoots. This has been such a tremendous honour and pleasure for me to spend so much time with you Appreciate your your generosity in granting the interview providing time and also really keep up the good fight and being a purveyor spreader of hope in a world where it is so easy to succumb to despair and hopelessness. It's it's just tremendous. It's it's really a gift that you are providing so I hope that that you're able to feel that and let that sink in at times but I appreciate you so much for taking the time to chat with me today. I want to thank you to meet a chance to chat to you. Like to buy lots and lots of people sometimes a bit boring. But I haven't been a tool board to into you so thank you. That really means so much and please keep it up. I will do my best to get your message. 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Jane Goodall

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

1:23:36 hr | 3 months ago

Jane Goodall

"Welcome welcome welcome armchair expert. I'm dan sheppard. This is a very very exciting episode for me. If you've heard the show you nominee anthropology major talk about it ad nauseam and of course the queen of anthropology well margaret. Mead's up there. But jane goodall my goodness jane goodall. What a human being. Jane goodall is. She is a primatology. An anthropologist and an advocate for the environment animals and the natural world for the last thirty years. Jane has been focused on biodiversity protection fighting the climate crisis addressing intensive farming empowering young people through youth program roots and shoots and so much more. She also has a new podcast. The jane goodall hope cast so. Please check out. Jane's new podcast. Jane goodall hope cast enjoy the queen of prime mentality. We are supported by top gear. America i just got in the door from utah where we were shooting. More top gear america. We jumped a trx and excessive distance. 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Treat yourself to comfort with brooklyn's comforter collection go to brooklyn dot com use promo code expert to get twenty five dollars off with a minimum purchase of one hundred dollars that's brooklyn and be are okay. L. i n. e. n. dot com and enter promo code expert for twenty five dollars off with a minimum purchase of one hundred dollars. That's brooklyn and dot com promo code expert. How are you doing well. I've never been as exhausted. I'm busy in my whole. Life has during this lockdown since march. It's been every single day being virtual jane yet. Generally you would be traveling around and talking and within that schedule is built in some little breaks for yourself. I'd imagine yes. This is no breaking since march. It's being virtually every single day. Are you being held captive. Your will because you can signal us with like raise your eyebrows. If someone's forcing you to do all this right. But then i agree to it so well it. It is a huge delight for us to talk to you. We've been attempting to schedule this for a while. I think you're going to speak at ucla. My alma mater. And we were going to speak in person which i was excited about. But i'll take you anyway. I can get you okay. I was hoping today we could go through all the stuff. You're up to that. You're working on your podcast. Jane goodall institute roots and shoots. But if it's okay with you. I would really hope to frame this in a broader theme of being female. I think today that's very relevant thing for us to be looking at how a female perspective can be so helpful why there should be more leadership roles for women and the value of that and i can't imagine someone more significant in that way than you. I think you're in the ruth bader ginsburg mount rushmore of women who have really put their stamp on the world. You reject that you know. Like being compared to her she is such an icon. Yeah i hate to break its use. Oh are you yeah. Well okay so when you started your work i think nine hundred fifty seven may be the first time you go to gombe's a study in no nineteen fifty seven. I went to kenya. Louis leakey and then i had to go back to the uk for a year while he found the money. Because soon i haven't been to college right. Who was going to give money to this. Young untrained girl do something as absurd. This study chimpanzees in a forest. Yeah not a lot of people you could have pointed to to say. Hey look how good this works but yes you went back. You went to cambridge. I think you are the eighth person ever to get a phd without having an undergraduate degree. Which i think is fascinating. I am curious how many there are now but when you started very very male dominated field is that safe to say. Well yes and no i mean there was almost nobody going out studying animals in the wild the world three people and they were all males in a job. Challenge was studying montenegro. Rela and there were two american men in south africa studying chakma a boot. But that was it. Oh okay well the thing that you were unique in novel in in that you got a ton of criticism for can i just say one thing. I'm going to tell you. I was an anthropology major so i worship to you and i wanted to do primatology. Just know that there's a lot of baggage for my love for you in this but my understanding is that you were really the first person to be doing any thalji where you were not naming the subjects numbers so generally when people studied animals prior to you they would just say one a one b whatever their nomenclature was in. You're really the first to name them in recognize their personalities remember. I hadn't been to college when i first went out. Louis leakey might mental. He's the one who picked me for this study. And he wanted a woman that was one key thing he wanted to woman. He felt they might be more patient in the field. So that was one good thing for me and secondly he wanted somebody who hadn't been to college because he wanted a mind uncluttered by the reductionist thinking of the animal behavior people of the time so was nobody out in the field on the numbers were given by most of these people to the animals in labs and animals in captive situations. So the reason i named the mobile wouldn't i. It's just not true to give an animal a name not a number. Uh yeah well really quick about louis do you think maybe his confidence in you. And the other two women that he shepherded through diane fossey who then went and studied gorillas and then i can't pronounce her name who did orangutans t galdikas. Yes yes do you think maybe. He was in a position to feel that way. 'cause his own wife was so prolific as an archaeologist and they had made discoveries together. Do you think that made him more open minded to that. It's quite possible. I got no. I hadn't thought of that before will is possible. I think that in general the criticism for you naming them was. You're kind of displaying. Empathy and empathy was the opposite of objectivity which sciences going for. That was the singular kind of criticism. And i have to say that sounds very very similar to the outmoded male position. That women in general are too emotional and not objective their emotional not logical and that to me the critique of you is more than what's on the surface at that time well. It's absolutely true. That when i got to cambridge big criticism was you cannot have empathy with your subject. You got to be objective and the snow space for having empathy and i disagreed so much because when you have empathy with your subject may do something extraordinary. She'll have empathy. You you you say to yourself. Well i think i know why they did that. And then then you can put on your scientific now jacomb say okay without. Let's prove am i right or am i wrong and ask questions. I listened to your interview. With dave matthews. Which by the way is a thrilling friendship that you guys have on your podcast. The jane goodall hope casts and you gave the example of seen. A young chimp break her arm and then go to her mother. I think you're describing was when this little baby broke her arm and she was the first baby and the mother was inexperienced so every time the baby cried which obviously it was very painful. The mother just hugged her title which made her cry louder. So but you know all those many examples of chimpanzees showing true altruism to each other like an adult male rescuing an often infants who is even related to him and saving his life. Yeah but the point i loved you made is yes. I had these emotions. I was heartbroken for this inexperienced mother. But my kids are as thorough as notes could be. It is as objective as one can be one doesn't preclude the other and i think that was such a novel idea. You're absolutely right. It was tears. Were pouring down my face because this baby was named little jane she was the only one who's fb named for me and you know. She was three months old at that time. We didn't watch many infants. Growing up sues about the fifth. I think it was just tragic. It was the mother and such confusion. The baby so badly hud was nothing we could do. So i'm going to go even further with this. I would argue that your novel approach of having empathy. Open your eyes in a way that someone studying them even for the same duration that you studied them they would have missed things. I think they would not have been open because they were this other. This animal this lower thing that they would have missed the parallels. I would even argue ear enormous contribution the legendary contribution is that you discovered that chimpanzees use tools. That was thought to be something. Only humans could do in in a great definer of what made us human and you demonstrated that and you kind of destroyed that fantasy. Yes and we were supposed to be the only creatures to have personality. The only creatures have minds capable of problem solving and especially the only creatures with emotions and you know. I was tortoise. A child by my dog of course animals have personalities minds and emotions. It's ridiculous when the scientists told me that when i got to cambridge i really wanted it. They really believe what they were saying. Or was it just. They couldn't prove it. That it's better not talk about other tint. Why have a whole theory on. Why haven't i think it serves an actual purpose to alleviate our ethical issues with how they're treated but before we get there you could also say they have culture as well which is something we would have thought was only ass right absolutely. Ah dense culture if you look at one population versus another. They have their own unique set of things. They've learned in our passing on traditions. And all these things that certainly meet the definition of culture behavior you passed from one generation to the next through observation imitation and practice that is a definition of human culture. But when i first mentioned culture. I didn't have any other examples really. But it just seemed intuitively of course as you see the baby's what chain than in other places where i heard there was banging open nuts with rocks which gumby chimps still do the young ones. They're learning that so kusak coaches. I was given so much flack over that you cannot talk about culture. Yeah so. I think the fact that you were naive enough having not been in college and then again. I really think it has a lot to do with you being a woman in that situation that you were empathetic and that through that we get some of the greatest discoveries about that species and i really do think other people would have missed it. I think you're right that many people would i really do. And you know. I've been reading in. The shadow of manifest book wrote about the golden beecham's. It's going to be one chapter a month and it just took me right back. I was reading and thinking every detail is that it was magic to read what i was learning about their different personalities amid was just magical to see. How did it back then now is the person is jane. The person there had to be terrible days in the field. There had to be incredible loneliness at times. You're in your twenties. There was not you deserve your head. Being alone is very different from being lonely. And i've always loved being alone. I mean even. When i was a child that would climb the tree out there. Because i'm in my family and spend ages alone up into branches. I got with my dog onto the clifftops on my own and they were quite wild in those days. So i've always loved being alone. The only time. I was a little bit lonely you know. My mother came with me start. Well again. I really quick. I think that's hysterical as well. That's another male female thing you're twenty four and they insist your mother joined you. That wouldn't have happened to a mail sciences. Now they did. That's not true. They did not insist. My mother join me. Said i couldn't be out in the field on my own. Oh okay okay. And she volunteered to come okay. And it was amazing. People say i was brave. I wasn't brave was what i wanted to do. She was you know she was left alone. With these big booms invading ten because they are very entrepreneurial and they quickly grabbing it thing. That might be a new food buffalo's wandering around snakes spiders. She was brave one and she was a novelist. Yeah well she wrote a couple of books. Okay that's two more than i've written. So i'm gonna caller novelist so obviously had her own set of determination as all on pointing out a determined person. The whole family said the time you're lonely. Yeah yet when she first left just before i saw to using an i really missed having somebody to share the excitement with i have this cook and a guy driving the boat and they listen. They were interested but it didn't mean as much to them as it would have to Yeah i mean why wouldn't the chimps use tools. of course they weren't high fiving each other when you discovered that they were getting termites out now. There was no period. Where of course. Because i'm trapped in my own point of view in as much as i may have been interested in that. Were you ever at any moment going while. But i'm also missing out on this huge human experience. I could be in london. Having drinks with friends did that ever enter your mind. Were you ever concerned about what you are quote missing. Absolutely absolutely not okay. Although i've been very social before i left you know i wasn't a little shy retiring creature. I was out there having fun going to dawn and things like that. I didn't miss it. I didn't miss it. 'cause you are so focused in so fulfilled by this. Pursuit was there in the forest. Only magic of the forest around myth and learning new things every day and will these amazing chimpanzees the different way of doing things complete metric now for those of the listeners who aren't super familiar with just what level of threat different. Primates are your arguably with the most dangerous when you agree dangerous. Yeah as compared to say guerrillas or other big great apes gorillas can lose that temper this young man who is studying chimpanzees in congo and he was attacked ferociously by a male gorilla. Who obviously just ted confrontation with another male. He was mad and this guy survived. I simply don't know right. Attempts can be violent. They're all strong so yes chimpanzees these with each other. They can kill each other. It's lucky they didn't want to kill me. Yes let me. Just say from a personal point of view. I have trekked up to the guerrillas. I felt pretty safe. And then we also went into a force on the hunt for chimpanzees and there were a lot more rules and it was taken much more seriously like this has odds of going bad for more than the guerrilla experience would. That's probably because of the people running the program okay. I'll blame them but as you point out. They're incredibly strong four times stronger than a full grown adult. Human eight times stronger than me. I'm sure very wrong. And they can be very very violent and whether scary moments. Yes there were. Oh yeah but none that ever made you rethink or question. What you're gonna do. No of course. Not i gotta. I couldn't let louis leakey down. Could i no no. No no no that someone's approval. I would certainly be in search of you. Always have that obstinate disposition going through life or did it sort of come when you had this passion. I think i probably always had it. Yeah i think you're born with that or not. Yeah you were. And i have pretty bad dose of it. Can i ask you while you were watching chimpanzees over these many many years. How were the male female roles chimpanzees similar to our own. And how are they different. And was that something that interested you. I was interested in everything. But i loved was watching mother child behavior development of infants relations with brothers and sisters but the males have dominant they have dominance hierarchy they dominate all females and very promiscuous which caused some people to draw not all monogamous and so basically in female comes into eastern when. She's ready for mating. She may be made by all the males when off to the other the various sexually popular of old female flow mayton seven t two times in one day why sewers privy exhaust to the g. She was followed by this string of males and they adolescence. Who don't really get go. They will hide behind a bush and shake a little branch and sometimes the female will look at the alpha male and then creep off behind the bush and is it. There's even evidence. I remember writing a paper called lying in primates. In how they'll also give a call like that. There's perhaps a predator in the area so that all the alpha's run towards it and then they get a shot at the female while the alpha's are out. I think that sort of thing happens sometimes too but mostly that happens when for example chimps hunt sometimes and hunting is a very exciting thing so if the top male sometimes shows possessiveness and other males are not supposed to make his female that happens often but if the alpha male gets distracted and is looking at the hunt bats when the other males run in gas you go and if the alpha male the possessive male catch them. Who do you think he attacks. All i saw that girl for the female up. Yeah that's pretty. That's kind of consistent humans. Yeah yeah if he attacked the male to female it would run often. Have more fun. I didn't think of creating another window of opportunity. So i have a question for you. Does it correlate perfectly with sexual die. Morphism like is the level of male dominance proportional to how much bigger males are than females in species semi between chimps and bonobos male. Bonobo is more or less the same size as the female. And you don't get the same system of sexual relations. And bonobos is well they have a much broader sexual experience than paying troglodyte is right. They're doing more things. That female bonobo is having this pink swelling all the time so they solve a lot of disputes through sexual behavior and females reassure each other by rubbing their sexual swellings together. So i was so glad to louis. Leakey didn't send me to study them. Because the geographic would never have supported. They couldn't in those days of had will these. Pink bottoms pitches. A wonderful photograph in the gets the second geographic article which should obeyed an at c. Sixty nine think and photograph taken by my husband hugo so wonderful photo five males sitting in a row that all of it'll roused looking at the camera has slightly out and always these big erections hard voting off missed little strange missed loin levels. He captured the perfect moment. You know those days. There was no photo shopping. And i saw note to the engraver. Blend in two for blend of graphic was than even when photograph. It's lovely those setting sun and up against you know a beautiful evening light. And i'm holding the walkie talkie to send a message to my mother who's down to tell her. I'm staying up for the night. And i get back. This picture with the note to the grave around each nail is circling since removed from nails. Oh you're kidding. Wow not a while. oh man well. Let's change change now. Of course because i mail i had a particular interest in frodo almost looked like a silverback. He was so disproportionately muscular. I was fascinated by him. Did you name him after frodo baggins was. That's before i realised his personality was entirely not like i say that he did not live up to the name. Frodo ins was as flynn was before him in this dominant at family. He was a spoilt brat. Older brother who supported him a older sister who supported him a top-ranking mother of so he could get away with mudder. I mean he could attack and tease a much older individuals knowing that his family would run the his support and he became a real bully. Yeah and he was enormous though he was considerably bigger than most the other males. Wasn't he not really big because he had so often his risley cash he was most solid. Solid built. Yeah so no we met. You are empathetic and that you are not trying to deny whatever emotional feelings could you come to hate any of them like. Would you be frustrated with frodo. Did act like such a spoiled brat so often and of course his victims are other. Chimps you love. Of course i was mad at him was mad when they did things which were really unpleasant. Horrible i mean. I think of them like humans ryan thorough people. Who do things that irritate. You make you angry. Same that the chimps. Yeah but it would be hard for me if i was in that position to try not to correct behavior versus just observing. No if were in the position you wouldn't feel that tool for one thing. If you tried to intervene in something like that that would be the end of you. Oh yeah well. I might get myself. He was a monster. I mean he was so strong and violent at times. So the very ironic part of your life has to occur to you is that you went deep into a jungle and you're entirely anonymous and at some point you emerge in your a world figure. I think that must be one of the most bizarre trajectories to being recognized the world over most people. Come to hollywood where we're at to get that kind of recognition but you went deep into the jungle and that transition for you. Is it confusing natural. What is that experience. Well when it first happened. I was even out basically shei-pa and first of all all these journalists wanting to interview me and i tried to get out of it and then i remember the first time somebody coming up to me when i was walking through santa fe actually and this woman came up and she started tears in her eyes. Saying you know she actually said. Can i touch you. Can i touch you. This is spooky this issue. I said well. I'll shake your hand. And so the beginning you know people would come up in airports need oneself fees and could i sign something and at first i was really i hated it. I put on dark glasses. And let my hair down. But it still don and then i thought well by this time. I'm trying to raise awareness. I'm trying to raise money for the institute trying to develop our youth program inside the will is obviously something happened. I can't do anything about it on. Ask for it. So will use it so taking brochures around handing them out saying. Do you have children than they've us. Join roots and shoots gives the memory show. Well yes it sounds like. You accepted the reality of what it was. Which is there's no going back. So how do we make the best of the situation. Just so you know. If i met you i would attempt to. Groom you played along demonstrate your your status cuba wonderful groomed bid. Let's start there. Yeah more armchair expert debuted dare. We are supported by. Figs figs celebrates the one hundred percent awesome healthcare professionals by making scrubs. They actually feel excited about wearing figs mission. Making sure healthcare professionals have awesome scrubbed so they can look their best feel their best and perform their best join figs and celebrating awesome healthcare professionals and give them the best groups in the world. I own a pair of these. Why because my nickname. When i play spades is a surgeon. I have figs. 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And i think what an amazing thing that you were born in one thousand nine hundred thirty seven. Maybe a gale even better thirty four. And here's a little girl born in two thousand ten mimicking you. I just think it's so spectacular and for a wonderful reason not because you have a humongous but then show it on instagram. Like i'm delighted that they're young women who address up like you and my daughters are excited so wonderful so with year notoriety in your deep love for the environment for conservation for animals. You've been a part of a couple of different really released successful organisations the first of which is the jane goodall institute which was established in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven. And i believe now. There's ten thousand groups in one hundred countries that's going onto the youth program. They are jane goodall institute we have twenty four separate institutes in twenty four different countries. All my goodness and the program. Young people is a program of the jane goodall institute. Got you so roots and shoots is under the umbrella of jane goodall institute now roots and shoots has forty five hundred groups in seventy countries. Do you agree to that about seventy. Yeah sixty eight sixty nine seventy seventy two something like that does groups. We don't even know about because you know the discovered one the far away in the rainforest of guatemala ecuador or something all my young people going from one school to another only love. This program says they started him. The new school so it just grass roots. Yeah walk me through. What roots and shoots does what's the objective and it's youth centric. So what is the goal. How does it work lex that a group get started sates mostly in school and very often those a teacher who tries to get it going or it may be a pie school students or something like that or it may be and the university of somebody may started a kindergarten so you get the group of young people who cab and you tell them now you choose three projects to make the world better to one day help people wanna help animals one to help the environment because the choices they make will depend on how old they are if they're rich or poor if they're living in the town of the country if they're living in china or the united states or abu dhabi or something like that lily should start one. Yeah she by the way it should be so great at. She really wanted. she's a boss. Okay yes you can help hon. You know so. That's how group start. And when. I was traveling around. America through the airports handing out my little brochures. You could follow my progress by seeing way new loop started up just dropping seeds. Yes that's right so now let's go back to. I think the general reservation in the past of acknowledging that animals have an emotional capacity or an intellectual capacity. I think the hesitation there is if that is recognized then you must immediately go to what the ethical dilemma of eating them is or studying them or any of these things. Well studying them with intervention studying them in research laboratories certainly eating them. It's more than the eating of them. It's the way they're kept in the factory farms. It's horrendous and then on top of that this the harm it does to the environment. You're going to feed them. You cut down. Habitats grow the grain. You use fossil fuel grain. The animals to the animals to abbatoir meet the table. They produce methane gas which is like co two greenhouse gases. Thirty two times better at heating up the atmosphere then. Co two it is the the lethal gas up there. Okay so. I don't want anyone to call me a hypocrite. Because i do eat me. Obviously i don't feel morally great about it and i think i've tended to focus on exactly what you just mentioned. Which is the manner in which were getting. The me feels like it could be vastly improved but you know something if you love the taste of meet face alternatives to me dicon tell the difference s identical. You're right you're right. We these life burgers in their insanely delicious ear right. There is no reason to not embrace those. I agree i guess in. Tell me wyan idiot. I'm going to give you an opportunity to point out my flaw so i have no problem acknowledging the value and complexity of animals. I'm not in denial of it to me. It's quite obvious. go to a place. Where we'll i'm an omnivore in omnivores e me and i'm like any other animal. That's an omnivore. I don't feel guilty about playing my role in the food chain now. Obviously playing an absurd role. That i wasn't really designed so i also acknowledged that but i think that's what i fall back on morally. Do you want to blow some holes. In that i will first of all you are able to comprehend the exact nature of the creature that you're eating and you know that that is an animal that has emotions that can feel. Fear and pain plays a role in society or it would do if it was allowed to. And so that makes you separate from the abandoned this also something else to do with health and we have the gut of her before. And the hubby will has long got. Because it's got to get the goodness out of leaves and grass and things a condom four as a short one big cigarette to get rid of the meat before it rots in the intestines which were harming our health this way plus years. These poor animals are given hormones to make them grow faster antibiotics to stop them die because of stress so those antibiotics the bacteria building up resistance because they used all the time. Is there an hierarchy in your mind or no like what about eating insects. Are you more in favor of that. Well i that's something i haven't really come to grips with because this even people now talking about the fact that some plants may have purposes. Well i have to say that. If i was asked to choose between eighteen a pig an mealworm i would choose the mail and i don't think it's too terribly bad to eat insects. Some okay eggs. How do we feel about eggs. Oh if x from heads clucking around in the farmyard. Mind so much. But the factory farms of horrendous the other bad on the environmental and the milk coming from these dairy cows in these off i mean you watch some of the secretly filmed video new. Feel ill. That's what stopped me. When i learned about factory farms for the first time in the late seventies and next time i looked may told my plate. I thought this symbolizes fear pain death. Yeah not appealing. No not very appetizing. Very hungry what you laid out like that. And you know what else when i'm talking to people i never. I never say bad person. You eat meat. You should be mobile. I want to love to this to google checkout pig castle not kosova the artists but pig kosovo you watch that okay. Well here's what happened to me. I watched forks over knives eight years ago and i went vegan for a year. I doubt forks over knives as alarming as what you just told me so. I'm watch it. I might as well go grocery shopping. I because i'm sure. I'm going to have to make a decision afterwards. But really i mean i feel so much better than i stopped. I felt like you feel better when you a vacant for you. I didn't do it right. I didn't put enough time into. What i did is ended eating a zillion carbohydrates in no. I didn't feel much better. I think i felt worse. I'll own a failure on my part and the choices now is so good don't they. Well they're way different than i did it in two thousand. Yes exactly. I mean come on a long way. You know to be honest. What got me off of it. As i was going back to detroit on stocks my father was ill and you just eat vegetarian in two thousand twelve in detroit. Now in la. It's pretty darn good and easy overall. Are you optimistic or pessimistic. Where you add on our state. Well i'm both okay. I know that if we all get together we've got a window of time. We can stop slowing down climate change. We can start healing some of the home that we've done natives very resilient with coming up with our intellect with more and more ways for clean green energy renewable energy and things like that but the thing is we don't have that much time so how do we get people involved. That's why i worked so hard on roots and shoots and so thrilled because many children are changing their parents. Oh yeah mindue daily. It's so annoying. But i do get drug along by a lot of little a little girl in china who i i met when she was ten jr couldn't speak english to came to my lecture. Which of course was translated and she said to her parents. I'm going to learn english. Because i want to talk to dr jane. She started a roots and shoots group and her mother helped her and now she's fluent english. She doing all kinds of amazing. But i got a letter from her mother. She said dr jane. I have to tell you. She doesn't speak english but then her daughter translated. But i was just a housewife and i went shopping. And i never thought Didn't think about anything should now. I've become a thoughtful person. And i think about what i buy and how it was made did it. The environment to said this program of yours does not just change the children. It's changed their parents to. Yeah that's lovely of the things you've done. What is most rewarding matt stuff inspiring a little girl in china or is it the fact that you probably played a huge role in the fact. That chimps are still here. I don't know time what's the one main thing i think. One thing that. I really feel the chimps may to do this but to change the scientific attitude towards animals Yeah that's pretty darn profound. That's a paradigm shift. Yeah it's a paradigm shift and the other one is starting roots and shoots because that now has its own life if i died tomorrow roots and shoots will carry on. But that's such a good point. Yeah for someone who wants to enact. Change trying to figure out how to do it in your absences. I imagine the hardest thing to figure out which you've done. Okay now your podcast. I want to know. Do you like interviewing people. You've been interviewed your whole life. And i was in a similar situation which i'm an actor and i've been doing interviews for fifteen years and i'm like oh i know how to be in an interview and guess what i did not. I knew how to get in. I had to learn how to interview. Have you enjoyed hosting jane goodall. Hope cast well. When i was told i had to host it stupid center system anyway then i found i could do it. It's like the first time i had to give lecture. I felt that for the first five minutes. I literally couldn't breathe. I was terrified. But then suddenly i realized that i do not something from the audience that filled me with with. I don't know what it is but it's a kind of magic which comes to me when i'm out there in front of a crowd that's why this virtual business virtual lectures looking at the camera on top of a screen. That is so hard. I'd had to really put every ounce of energy into trying to give appropriate without an audience Yeah you know. This is a topic. I bring up all the time. There's a term for that. I can't remember it. I am always having majored anthro. I'm always trying to get people to recognize how social of an animal we are like. We have this very obvious understanding that our social so they behave this way in this predictable way and they respond to this and we seem to underestimate that. We're the like apec social animal and that all the things chimps need. We need probably times three this notion of us being an island that is not how we were designed to live and i think you look at all of our mental health issues. We underestimate how social we are and how much we need each other and you standing in front of an audience makes total sense to me because you are feeling the full brunt of community like this is what you were designed to do. That's right. I i do feel like half a suit of purpose in this life and i just have to try and do it you know when i was little. I wanted to write books. Because i was so shy and i started writing when i was four. My mother used to write it down for me. I found stories. I wrote when i was five. Got one lovely. So i always wanted to write want to write poetry but then you know ten years old africa wild animals books that that's what i want to do because women want that sort of scientists than so that the cycle and is it true. You still have the chimpanzee stuffed animal. Your dad gave you as a child. Yes he's in lockdown in washington dc where he was part of the exhibit they put on becoming jane or something like that which i haven't seen yet and locked came to be stippled. Gordon seen by couldn't have him he was too precious. They made him a glass bullet proof case. He's on display like the pope. Well there's an ever an auction and the only thing. I think i'd ever want to own of somebody you know. I think i'd be a good steward of that teddy bear. Should that ever care. You'd be a bad student if you can't well. They're both mammals. It's an easy mistake. My last question about your podcast. I find. I'm just being honest and candid with you. I find that the experience of having fame is underwhelming and more of an inconvenience. But i will say the thing that i most enjoy is that i get to meet someone like you and i have to imagine that you are not impervious to that to do. Enjoy the fact that you can meet people that you were greatly interested in of course because the people i want to me because they could really make a difference. There's none that you just. They're not gonna make a difference but like john. Travolta you love saturday night. Fever and by god. You could have a conversation with john travolta now well. I hate to say that. I haven't had time to go to cinemas for so long. I don't know the film stars. Well i was trying to make it easy for you. That was nineteen. Seventy seven a dea. Saturday night fever. It didn't see that film. Do you have a favorite film. Not the rings ooh k. One do you think about lord of the rings it except he like what's going on now if you think that more door is greed and riches and all these despots who are and we need to grow the fellowship to fight that to fight the black riders who are out there all these big businessmen couldn't care less about anything else and even thought of that recently but if you remember galadriel gives frodo vile of dust and when he sprinkles it all the trees are being cut down by more door come to life and grow up again so the whole thing. It's like a parable of what's going on right prophetic. Yeah he's perfecting. I hadn't made that connection. I made it yes you did. It's proprietary to you now jane. You're so wonderful. I appreciate your time so much. I really want to tell that your captors that you need a little break though okay mic cap too. I'm not a weak and feeble. plus you are. You're anything. But i do have a job to do and job requires me to do what i'm doing so my mother told me if you're going to do something do it as well as you possibly can. While your mother who should be incredibly happy. Because you've done exactly that. And i thank you on behalf of my children's future generations. I'm so grateful to you for dedicating so much your life in time and energy to try to make this place somewhere we can live for more than another one hundred years thank you. That's being absolutely lovely talking to was really looking forward to it. Well we will meet one day. And i will groom you the best of your life. I guarantee he'll band okay. Have a wonderful rest of your day. We appreciate you so much. thanks okay bye. Gene stage tuned for more expert. There we are supported by me under the under the under the undone. Sunday's we unease. Oh my lord. Do i love me on these. I got a pair recently. That are black with white little simple pictures of space explores. I love them. 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Horsing around Cutting up with the guys. Wow you know that kind of stuff. You love a cut up. I do love to cut up and you have been very productive this weekend. Yeah had almost no fun. I've been only give you. You have fun doing that though right. Yeah well i wouldn't say fun. It's just really satisfying. So what i did was spicer's. Yes yes i decided to get my life together. It was time who's overdo it was it was way overdue. I was feeling in all honesty. A out of control. I needed to gain some control back so the best way to do that is shopping. Which did that is second. Best way is to clean and organized. So i cleaned organized everything. You know my scary closet. That's like very scary because it's a big old mess where we keep the equipment. Yeah yeah yeah. Every time we gotta get the equipment out of there. It's like indiana jones and the temple of doom waiting for darts to shoot out the walls. No well you brought it up. I did clean up a year ago and it took all day. I mean it was horrible. I posted a picture of it in its worst state and it was really. It was like monica geller. Secret closet friends fans will know what that means. Okay you're not gonna know what that means when you said you posted a picture. You're in the process of senior post traumatic stress disorder from the closet. Well that too. I cleaned up a year ago. Beautiful then in within the year. It's gotten a little out of hand again. Sure years a long time. I had to completely fixed that. I had to clean. My refrigerator. made an error basket. Well everyone's up to speed on the fact that your professional gourmet chef now in the cook seven nights a week. I cook a lot. I really impressive. What are you going to cook tonight. I'm going to cook fish. Oh yuck yuck don't yuck that's a that's a bad idea. it's not cooking. Fish inside of an apartment is the one of the world's worst ideas i would open. Listen oh my god. Listen my chef. Kuru alson roman wants me to cook more fish and indoors and she said she said one of the main things that people fear is is gonna make my apartment smell. No it's not okay. You know what's the main thing people fear because one hundred times out of one hundred. Your whole house stinks like a catfish is not catfish. It's gonna be cod inkata's very light. It is not a fishy fish. Cod is feels like an interesting choice. Because isn't that what you get at mcdonald's and a flare fish now wait no properly taught lavish sticks no fish sticks and filet fisher cod very affordable fish. It wasn't that affordable than you got ripped off because it's a real cheap fish. I got a nice to my. I'm gonna make tomato poached fish and it is going to be delicious. What does that mean tomato poached. You poach it in tomato. I guess i don't i can. I'm thinking of poaching and oh no like it cooks within the tomato sauce. Jews garlic shallot some other stuff. I haven't looked up the rest being a bit. Well some of that might masks the smell. But i am. I'm gonna tell you one of my new fears. Which is you know when people stink they. They've passed their expiration date the b. oh and they. They don't have time for a shower so what they do. Is they pop some cologne all over themselves. Yeah and then smear their anti-perspirant on over the smell and now you just have a ton of smells and the b- oh it doesn't go away and then it's it's like an ambrosia or a cacophony of smells or a cornucopia of smells and i'm a little worried about that for you. I know you're talking about. It's like when people try to spray over their bowel movements. That's right yeah. You're right bad. Yeah yeah it's just leave the bra bob moon there. Yeah yeah i said roy. That was horrible okay. I agree here the pure movements in. Don't don't try to perfume that pig about the the b. m. but not about the fish. Can we agree upon a non-bias judge. That will stop by tomorrow morning. We can appoint somebody shack and we won't tell them anything. We're not going to say god thing just going to say we're asking a favorite you stop by monica's in the morning. Anything seems mentionable. You tell us if not thank you. And if they say yeah went to monaco's man it smelt like Not an alley cats. Oh okay well. Listen listen it's gonna smoke good. She promised and i trust her. I think you are extra sensitive issue. Hated the idea of anchovies. You don't like salmon which is crazy. I acknowledge that. And i cook salmon here a fair amount and i'm fine with it. Do you tell me you had a problem with one of these fish fries though that it did rick lake fish know that was the chicken enormous tank. Yeah well i think it up with some yard bird. But i thought you also had a fish mishap mix up so far. Haven't had any fish problems. How about this. Could we agree that if you have the option just why not cook it outside on the grill. No i can't tomato poach outside. Oh and that's that's the prep. That's a preparation of my choosing. Okay i have to cook it today. Because i took it out of the fridge out of the freezer couple of days ago. I am a little worried about that. I think it's funny. I'll stop but on the counter for two days thawed. It thought a while ago. It's been in the fridge. Oh okay how's you does your fridge stink at all now. Smells great well. Those herbs are in their basket makes us smell so good. I have either. Let us basket in an herb basket. the okay. The lead is basket is box but still it. Has its own impressive. It looks like a professional chefs fridge. When you saw picture of it you said too many vegetables. No one says that well. My concern was no one person could eat that many vegetables in the time horizon. That vegetables stay good. I tend to get three or four extra days out of fish couple of weeks outta the veggies over asked him this tomato. You're going to be poaching the old fish with old old fish. Well dale trying although they slashed prices day-old donuts dale bradley. Dale dale is usually signaling. That you're going to get a deal. As i said it wasn't cheap again. I got ripped off because it's very inexpensive ish. That's why it's in fish sticks and blair let me look up right now actually. This is a good factor. Real time fact. Yeah what kind of fish is in a filet of fish away of fish. Mcdonald's you're not going this answer not cod alaskan pohlak. Let's see what is. Alaskan alaska polack. Fuck is a species of cod. Yeah i walk back to cod fans you you you just got caught. I o d. I got fair deposit. How dare you cash on delivery. Copd de cod. You could do the same for fish sticks and you're gonna find it's cod across the board anytime fishing's yeah absolutely they. What make america run. But it's just not a year so gourmet right now in. Its its tuna fish. I love tuna fish. Also the reason she picked cod as this recipe is because it's not very fishy which is why it's fish sticks and whites and fillet fish. Yeah well and how cheap it is. Oh i'm gonna find out hold on top five most inexpensive. Okay if this makes the list. You're in trouble. Not it's supposed to be on the cheaper end. well now. you're changing your story. You said you paid really good money for this. No but like compared to howl of it but it wasn't cheap. It wasn't like five bucks. It was like twenty five. It's it didn't do inexpensive. It said expensive inexpensive. I should have just said cheap. Fish budget friendly fish skate apparently is cheap. Catfish we knew that. Which type of is the cheapest. This is a bad category to be looking white. Flesh fists is usually inexpensive. Has a mild flavor cooks quickly. That's the most popular kinds of whitefish include cod to lappia attic. Catfish grouper bass and snapper. All right okay. This is like the third time in three weeks yet my Well no hold on. Hold on you weren't eating. It and i wasn't going. Ooh i hate fish. I'm telling you that it's an inexpensive fish which is great. You said you said yuck. I said what i was making. You said how you hadn't said yum. So i said i'm excited. I'm making a fish tonight. And i'm still excited. I'm not gonna let you duck it. I know i'm not trying to. I was worried about the smell and there. But now i'm over. It is going to be great speaking of animals. This is jane goodall episode. Oh my god. I'm glad we weren't talking about steak. That would have been really counter or bush meat. What's that that's eating of primates. people do. Yeah well we're we're meat is really scarce they will be primates. Primates are supposed to taste terrible yet because isn't isn't the cause so muscley. It's that we're so tendency. I guess we taste early rubber rubber band the guerrillas. What my anthro teacher. John barker told me it's arm of. She had tried by hope. She hadn't tried any primate. I started to make a joke. But then i stopped. What did you say. Is that what armie hammer told you. Oh that's a topical. Joe topical joke but i have very mixed feelings on that whole thing. Minor mixed minor very very clear. Yeah i know. I can assume what yours are. Mine are pretty much what yours are. I think well. I don't know all the details. I don't wanna like get it. Let's just take the thing we're talking about. Which is the part. We understand is that he had written Sexual text messages expressing a desire to eat somebody And it was. We were told it was consensual right. That's understanding and i have no problem with anybody's weird sexual fantasy. I have a big problem with someone eating. somebody buck. Yeah you can have as kinky of thoughts as you want. Your partner wants to pretend that you're gonna eat each other. What the fuck does that have to do with any of a i. I agree. I thought it was extreme. What was happening if it was consensual. If it wasn't and he was like harassing people and trying to tell them that he wanted to eat them like mate. That's a different story. But that doesn't seem like that was the case. But i don't know well we can get into a much like that's an easy position for us to take. I think the harder one is. I do believe part of the issue is that it was consensual. And that some of these gales now regret it and say there was a power imbalance and now they don't. They're not happy that they participated in that and that's that's a really tricky subject that i have probably bad opinion on. I don't think we can function as a society. If you can retract consent. I just don't i actually don't think it can function if you can tell someone to their face. Yes i consent and then later say no. I don't consent that's no but it's if you feel like you have to say yes. It's way more complicated. But in this case. I don't think he had power. It wasn't like he was employing these people or he was no but i think people will argue that. Because someone's famous that they have a power imbalance over anyone else. And that's i don't drink. I don't think that would hold up. If that person literally had power like could control their job or their wellbeing in some ways. I don't know if if just saying that. That person's famous gives them power. Doesn't i don't think that really holds any water. They actually have power over you whereas bosses and stuff like that do yeah. I guess i'm just saying if we live in a society were consent can be retracted than if someone gives you consent real time in very genuinely and honestly earnestly you then have to say no. You don't like how do you proceed in life in a paradigm. Where if someone tells you they want to do something and you do with them. You're supposed to what assume their consent isn't you. That also feels weird and controlling and dismissive and will no. I think you just have to be cognizant of the relationships you pursue if you're pursuing one with your employees dull because you never know what is happening there. Oh yeah employer employee. Of course. But i'm talking just to people to people me. They have a relationship. And the guy says i want to be kinky and do sem. Yeah and the person says i do. I'd like to try that. And then they didn't enjoy it. Yeah and then later. They say i retract consent. I was forced. I think these cases are a little more nuance in that. I don't know enough about the armie hammer until like really say i don't think him. Being famous is gives him power personally unless he unless they were like actresses and he was calling them in for meetings and stuff like that. Well that'd be grody. Ah yeah. But i i. Don't people have kinky bucks. But i don't want him to really anyone no. Nobody should eat anyone. Like women have rape fantasies and they work out rape fantasies with their partners. They don't want to be raped. Yeah that's fine if they want to express that fear and that way. Yeah but they don't wanna be raped so you could be working out this thing that yeah you wanna be consumed. What's deeper than it. I think if you wanna get emotional about it is like i think the statement is. I'm so into you. That i would consume me and i would never wanna consume a person but i'm so into you i will ask you. That's the benign version of it right because these texts were explicit. They were dark dark by to make you horny forum doubt it did. Make me like whoa this. That's a lot. Yeah yeah. I guess the only thing i can see with what i could see happening. That's uncomfortable is if i was flirting texting with someone and it was like really fun and playful and we were like days in and we were really into it and then it took a quick turn into something very dark. That would be uncomfortable. Like it would really. It would be hard. Although of course. I'd have to say like oh i'm not into that. Yeah but it but if you wrote back yeah i wanna eat your spleen you know. What on earth is the other person's supposed to assume others. If that happened to you that exact same thing you would just not respond. Probably when it got weird or you might even say. I don't wanna eat anyone. And i don't want to be eating whatever you wouldn't then think i should embarrass this person like i should tell people i would not. I would not unless. I was really feeling threatened in some way or like if something was getting out of control there is not. I wouldn't want to embarrass someone. But i would potentially need to say something to other people if it was getting out of hand if i felt in danger threatened or harassed him can we role play. And i'm going to do this. I'm going to go somewhere where i would have to put up a red flag. Okay okay okay. Hey what are you doing. i'm organizing. Oh you're in her house your house yet. What are you wearing face slightly. I'm wearing a sweatshirt and thick socks. No pants is what going right. That's so kinky to where big thick socks and no pants. I'd love to bring over fifteen pounds of cod. Stink up your kitchen and take them socks off once. It's nice instinctive in there. And then i would go. I do not consent to this way. You said it. I was doing was painting one where i would have to. Oh that was. Were you you. When i was wearing the sweatshirt and i was organizing all i didn't. I didn't know that i wouldn't have been organizing sweatshirt with no pants on. I was getting. I wanted to send the texts that i would have sent up a flare. You wouldn't like it if someone's going to bring a lot of cod over thirteen. Fourteen pounds of cod really stink up the place and then work those socks and then tie the socks around. Really what would you say. You wouldn't just say. I'll if it'd be really nice. Yeah you'd ha- you would be cognizant of the person's feelings i'm also i'm also radical. I i would probably go along with anything. Just see what this whole thing's about. I guess that's where things get a little tricky. Because what if like what if i was texting with someone and then they took it to really dark place really playful and i guess you could think for a bit that it was still like you could think for a while it was still playful in until you're like oh shit no it's not but i've already been sort of playing along because i thought it was that now it's not now i have to say no i don't like it but i did play along for a bit. Yeah but like so. what so. All that is is like it's flirting. That didn't pan out like it's like when someone goes up says what's your name at the bar and then you these corny. And you don't like it ends like so it's just like this escalate this. It doesn't click for you and that's that yeah. That's true that like a moral issue. It's just like oh we're not compatible in the fantasy thing you you've got all this fisher trying on load and you want wanna cook it at my house and i'm not going to be able to truthfully say i want to live out this fantasy with you. Jane goodall forging jiangsu connect. You deserve so much more than that. It was a natural flow as a ding ding. Ding okay. what. We both really loved about jane goodall is. She's kind of taken this not by her choice. She has the role of like queen of the planet and yet she's so spunky. That was my favorite. I know i loved when she told you you. You are capable of taking care of her stuffed animal chip because you called it as head exactly like you can't take care of it if you don't even know difference between a chimp and a bear. You can't have it. That's that's why she'd be fine with us talking about the texting. Yeah she probably like it. Maybe she'll leave. Maybe you'll even get a hold of association. Voice her opinion on it. I think i know our opinion. Well no. I definitely don't know her opinion on the sex part but she's definitely not into eating humans or primates or animals at all. Well we also know her opinion on the sexting that was involving bringing fish over. Because she's a vegetarian she would not want you to bring fish over and cook it now under chicanes as much about fish. Well she said the only thing she could put possibly what maybe insects dan. Yeah my ding ding. I don't know. I just wanted to say 'cause insects in sex. Oh my god oh my gosh okay. So how times more harmful is methane gas then. Co two. we're yeah because bills book. Yes how to avoid climate disaster. Okay i'll read. This is from unicef you. Tell me if your number in your head is different from bills book. There's like they go around but go ahead okay. Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas with one hundred year old global warming potential twenty five times that of co two measured over a twenty year period. Methane is eighty four times more potent as a greenhouse gas than co two about sixty percent of global methane emissions are due to human activities. What is bill. Say i think he says twenty eight. And i had heard thirty two. That was another number that everyone agreed upon. But i think where it gets. Tricky is the only upside methane is that it doesn't stay in atmosphere. Nearly as long as carbon so carbon dioxide has a really long half life whereas methane dozen so even though it's heating it more it'll go way quicker but the thing that was really that we read in the book nitrous oxide which is also a by product that is like two or three hundred times warming co two. We're going to talk to him. Kelly this week right. Yeah got so scared. I'm so scared. Ding ding ding. There's a really funny friends moment. Where ross can't flirt. And he's trying to flirt with a girl who's delivering his and he actually. I wonder if this doesn't hold up and twenty twenty one. Nothing does continue keeps calling shirts. He gets having her calm back so he can keep practice flirting. He can try to get better each time and he starts talking about gas and how different gases smell smells really funny. Oh i love that show. I'm gonna start getting. oh yeah episodes. Are there two hundred. Release that well in all. How many seasons was it. It was ten but in season five. They hit one hundred. But then there's fewer episodes in the later seasons. I bet it's not quite one hundred. Well it's well. There's ten seasons in they average twenty twenty episodes of season which they had to have two hundred hundred and thirty six. Yeah was gonna say probably ever like the the normal order was probably twenty four and they might have cut it to twenty or twenty two in the latter seasons they never. There's no way they ever went under twenty eighteen eighteen shortest eighteen season ten. Okay at best season nine is eighteen. I wonder if that was because people are doing movies. Why on earth would that be was a cash. Cow twenty four so ten was the shortest and that was eighteen. I think they were ready to be done. And they just the network wanted it so bad that they were and they're getting paid a million dollars an episode each. That's pretty good money. Yeah it's it's pretty good is okay. That's really all i had for jane. No kidding methane. Yeah because she. She knows her stuff. She knows her. Shit yeah i mean. There was a question of how many roots and shoots but she. She explained why we don't know that 'cause they're just kinda sprouting up all over the place. So i couldn't really check a campus. Yeah very womp us. Very skadden compass extra wa-was in pretty darned scan. Scotty all right well. This was fun. And then i'll be home. In two clicks to clicks away. Put the pedal down get right home. I'm driving a hell cat. Durango some sitting on about seven hundred ten horse. Pike got sick. I really get up those mountain roads so it snowy it sure is so you can't go that fast right pretty fast. It's got all wheel drive very stable. Really good car okay. I got here and the weather was worse than it will be when i go home. And what are rob and katherine driving. Rob's driving his huge sprinter van that's all decked out call it's very cool and and just throw is driving a subaru outback. Which i know. He's not thrilled about. Oh it's not his pick no he to likes horsepower. Horsepower added he's a cowboy Yes yeah. I'm the steel horsey rights. Remember we interviewed john. Jovi never forget. Jj alright i love you have fun cooking your fish cam.

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Animal Radio Episode 997

Animal Radio

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Animal Radio Episode 997

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Patronizing? I'm sorry. I didn't mean it like that. But we do a to our dogs. And we love them like family, right? Yeah. But I don't think they like that either. They probably don't I don't know. If you have a question about your dog, your cat, your Flamingo whatever animal you have give us a call right now. Toll-free one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five and you can also ask your questions from the free animal radio app for iphone, Android, and blackberry and between your calls today. We're going to have a couple of great guests sandy ward, author sandy war. And she she writes those disclaimers at the end of medical commercials medicine commercials that you see on TV, and you know, about the side effects. Yeah. May cause diarrhea blindness sexual dysfunction. Call your doctor if your depression worsened, so you have unusual changes in behavior. Call your doctor. If you have high fever, stiff muscles and confusion, or if you have uncontrollable muscle movements as these could become permanent, in some cases, extreme high blood sugar can lead to coma or death dizziness on standing seizures. Trouble swallowing and impaired judgement or motor skills. Made a difference for me those at the she writes those and you probably saying why would we have her on the show? I guess she's also in some amazing novels about cats in the cat's point of view or from the cats point of view. So they're really kind of cool. She'll be joining us this our next hour. We're going to visit with Gideon kid. And if you're a longtime listener of animal radio, you may remember Gideon kid, he was I believe nine years old at the time. I believe he's ten now and his mission is depete a million dogs. Wow. That's a lot. Yeah. And he has his own Twitter feed, which has I think about one hundred thousand or so followers. He has all these pictures of him petting dogs, all across everywhere. I believe is town. And when we spoke to him last he was at about three hundred sixty four hundred dogs that he had pets. We'll find out. I can't wait to see where he's at today. He's a fun kid. He'll be joining us next hour right here on animal radio Laurie. What are you working on for this hour? Well, it's not the state that you would expect because I know what you're thinking. But there is a state that has become the first in the country to ban elephants and other exotic animals from you know, appearing in their state doing circuses and live shows and stuff like that. So it's not what you're thinking. It's not it's not the state, you're thinking, I know. It's not, oh, I bet you don't know what I'm thinking. Because I think it is the state that I'm thinking because they've been doing some pretty amazing animal legislation as of late. Yeah. So really, yes. Stick around for that lower will have news at the bottom of the hour. Can we go to the phones? Now, that's good. I want to go to line one that's been blinking for a while. Now poor little line. One never gets any attention. I believe we have Paul on the phone. Hey, paul. How are you doing just fine? How're you today? Good. How can we help you? Well, I like to speak to Dr Debbie about a allergy problem with my miniature schnauzer. Today because she has this thing going on. What's going on with your schnauzers? Well, I have to and they're three and a half years old and one is spine after two years of feeding the same deed. I'd be lamb and rice, pedigree glamorize. She developed an asking allergy I've had her to the vet three times. I've spent a little thousand dollars at this point. And the bet keeps giving me different medications. Now, there's one medication. He gave me for years work real. Well, her ears actually, Dallas the actually closes their ears up, and it works real well, but she still has problems with your skin. I. The skin. What's look like redden claimed one point she lost all the hair on her stomach. And now, it's all come back. I give her a bath. Every every week when I come in off the road. She's they the kids stay home with mama while I'm on the road. And I give her a bath every week with the special oatmeal shampoo, it's smells it has an odor. Like, I even mentioned the vet. I thought it smelled like maybe eastern section because. Yeah. It does. And her for get fell almost sticky. Yeah. Yeah. And then when I give her the bath. She seems a lot better the next morning it isn't as inflamed. And then by the time, I get home the next week. We start all over again. So you try and bunch of different medical regimens has had included. You mentioned some antihistamines has that included any other type of NIH medicines. Innovative similar types of products. Hooked on Benadryl. And I I don't wanna live in on Benadryl restaurant live. Okay. Is there any problem with her taking Benadryl for an extended period of time? There's really not as long as everything else is healthy in in for some pets with mild allergies. There's absolutely nothing wrong with treating them with an antihistamine almost as a sole therapy. The problem becomes when we have a pet that they're it's your their skin disease is bad enough that that just doesn't do enough. So I if that's the situation for your baby, then I'm going to say, yeah, I would like to address them the other things that may be present in one big thing that you said is that smell that kinda stinky smell where there's actually a sticky field to the skin. There's probably other things kind of tagging along with allergies at that point. So allergies kind of trigger whole cascade of other things in the body yeast infection bacterial infections, so there's other things that I would do. And I usually like my office. I like to get a little progressive about some of these things I take skin skin skin samples say that a lot of times five times best and look under the microscope because we learn a lot when we look at the surface of the. Skin. And it may very well be that we need to try an antibiotic round we may need to try oral yeast medicines to treat what is actually going on in that surface of the skin kind of like that you know, that one commercial where the little green guys are dancing around. And they're having a good time down in the people's lungs. That's the way I like to look at the skin is that there's other stuff dancing around there that we just can't focus on just the allergies alone. Deputy and said. I'm I'm not dissing your because like I said Benadryl is great in some situations. But and then the other thing we look out with allergies is that we can treat allergies symptomatically. We can't cure them. But we can also take a step further and try to find out ways that we can avoid them certain triggers, or we can try to kind of change the immune system a bit to try to make it react differently to those allergens. So for some pets allergy testing is a way to go either doing that with a skin testing, usually through a dermatologist or through a blood testing. So there's a lot of other things we can try in that room. If we really want to get to the nitty gritty there on medication. Jeez. The same food all our lives. She doesn't eat any people. Who'd at all. The only time she gets treats is on the weekends. When daddy's home. That's chicken. I stay completely away from beef because I have a pet skunk. Also and the skunk. Can't eat beef at all food allergies can play definitely a role with you know, layering on top of inhalant allergies or what we call the seasonal allergies. So not nothing wrong with lamb and rice used to be a great allergy diet, many many years ago, but eventually pets can get sensitized to that. So might be worthwhile to switch to an alternate protein. Maybe something like a duck potato based food or venison based food and to go without for a couple of months and see if you know some of the skin signs, it's an improvement because it really can make a difference for a good proportion of of people pets out there. I'm having trouble with the piece today. What is this here? But I would definitely give that give that a world. There paula. I mean. I would work work through a veterinarian because we really want to go with a special hypoallergenic diets to not that there's not good General Foods out there. But if we're working for allergies. We wanna to get your pet on the right thing. Make sure you're getting the best bang for your buck in your veterinarian. Can you direct? You the best way there. Two girls at beating time and beat her and the special diet. Okay. Yeah. Unless your other pet had the same problem, but I don't see a reason. Because of these cases, we treat the food as a type of medication almost so we don't really need to give it to the other dog. You know, we're not going to probably do that. But. But. Onto XM. Thank you very much. So glad to be here. Very informative. And you're also very entertaining. Thank you very much. Thank you, very very much, Paul. We appreciate your call today. One eight six six four zero five eight four zero five I think it's so fun to have brand new listeners. You know, if you're new we'd love to hear from you don't have to call in just because you're animal sick for there's something adverse going in in in in your. Stuttering now. It's contagious. How? This portion of animal radio is underwritten by something worth savvy that cozy up with your furry friend for a great read something worth savvy by Sadie ward, it's wonderfully touching and surprisingly funny about a fiercely loyal cat named lily and this breakable bond. She shares with her humid, this cat's clever and observant Billy knows that. You don't have to be the biggest or the strongest to fight for the ones you love. You can find something worth saving everywhere. Pokes her soul. And learn more about sandy at sandy ward books dot com, and thanks sandy for underwriting animal radio. You're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. And now an animal radio news brief dog owners are in the majority in the US, according to the latest American pets poll fifty two percent prefer pups as a pet. We'll just twenty one percent would rather have a cat but few people believe in the stereotypical. Crazy cat lady or man, just twenty three percent thing. Cat owners are weirder. Than dog owners and the feline family rules when it comes to less convention an animal companions just over a quarter. Would choose a tiger. If they were to have an exotic pet drafts take second place with nods from about twenty percent. Eighteen percent would have a pet dinosaur. That's pretty hard to come by probably pay to get a pet dinosaur. Sixteen percent would welcome an elephant into their family and polar bears are popular among fourteen percent of people. But just six percent thinking alligator would make a really good pet. I'm Stacey Cohan. Get more animal. Breaking news at in radio dot com. This has been an animal radio news briefs. Get more at animal radio dot pen. If Ernest Hemingway was alive today, would he say this to you? Shakespeare, Mark Twain, Edgar Allan Poe, all great writers. And after reading your book, I simply must add you to the list. Wait, you don't have a book yet? 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No, we we actually can't wait you'll have to do that. Either wall. We're yapping away where after the show, it's free. So you should download it for your iphone, or your blackberry or your Android device. And you can ask your questions of Dr Debbie whenever you desire right from the app as well as recalls notifications that really affect your animals, it's free. Download it. Now head on over to your app store and put in animal radio app, and we're going to go back to the phones in just a couple of seconds here. Judy is screening calls. Also this hour author sandy ward. She's just around the corner. I did tell you what she does for a living touring the day, right? Did he take you? She writes those disclaimers at the end of medicine commercials. But she's somebody has to do it. Call your doctor if you have coma or death, although side effects that they have to list. There are worse jobs, but she's also a mazing author. She's written a book from her from eight cats point of view, I was going to save her cats point of view. I'm not sure if it is she's on the way just a couple of minutes. Lori is going to do a check of the news at the bottom of the hour as we do at the bottom of every hour. And what do you have for this hour gonna tell you about former president's daughter writing a picture book for kids about animals got a good purpose to it. One eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Hey, kevin. How are you doing? Doing great today. How about yourself? Very good. Where are you calling from? Tyler texas. How can we help you Tyler Texas? While I've got a little we've got we've got a menagerie of animals at our house and have for years my living dogs and six cats. We can't. You. Yeah. We relate on the country. So it's all like illegal. But we've had this little terrier mix the family for over twelve years, and she is gonna chronic nasal discharge, and it's bloody and has had for about six weeks. We've had her on antibiotics we've been working with our our vet even started on thyroid to help plotting. He was saying, and then we've been giving her a little Benadryl with the vets permission to try to dry up a little bit. But just snorts and in calls and just has a terrible time with this. Oh, also removed her front two teeth because of abscesses. Piece had gotten bad, and she's older, and we figured she had an answer from this. While we pulled those teeth haven't been able to get a handle on this thing in when they pulled the teeth. Did that seem to change the discharge in any way or no not really, okay? So as far as in, I'm assuming if they've done all that they probably also looked at doing some basic lab work. We even lavar her nose out with a catheter and sell symptom down to Texas am, and they were they were not neoplastic, no cancer. But I was curious as the dogs tend to develop polyps like people. Sure can. Yeah. And and actually what what you're describing with this bloody discharge we call that basically episode axes as the fancy word for a bloody news and in an older dog. I'd have to say that some of the things sounds like you're veterinary, a pretty thorough job of kind of working things up and getting the most likely things eliminated in an older pet with a bloody news in all those other things that have been kind of checked out. I have to be honest that that cancer is still pretty high on the top of my list. And sometimes we can always tell unless we go up there with the scope look up in the news and take a little bit higher or deeper biopsy. So that would still be a big concern. But a lot of times we can definitely see dental infections causing a bloody nose, and especially because some of those teeth have really deep roots up there, and that could certainly, you know, potentially cause a pet of bloody nose. And then I'd say probably the. Next next thing, we see a lot is we're a jog might have a Foxtail or piece of grass that's worked its way up into the nasal cavity. And that's where you know fleshing. It out sounds like that's what the maybe we're hoping to attempt if that was there. But ultimately, we might get to where we have to get get that endoscopy or the scoping of the news to really figure that one out. And you said you're in Texas their. Okay. Another thing we think of in certain parts of the country, and perhaps they've checked for it. If not I would ask about fungal infections as a potential cause of the nasal problem. There's different types of funguses believe it or not in the soil all over the country, and they're different in different parts of the country out by us. We have one called valley fever cuck city-owned mycosis in the desert southwest is fairly common in that can potentially cause some problems. So there's some blood tests for fungal organisms that you can have done. But otherwise a lot of this really falls getting a good look up the nose and going up there without that little scope to see what we can find in. And I think some of the therapies they've tried a reasonable antibiotics and a history means the thyroid medication can help. If we're worried about a bleeding disorder. So all of those things sound like they're right along the right line. But I really be worried. About something a little bit more involved than that at this point. Okay. Well, give your baby a hug for us. 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Even a crustacean that is not indigenous to the states and the New Jersey law also applies to fairs parades petting zoos, carnivals and other live events, and Chelsea Clinton's career is a children's author is going pretty, well, she's got a picture book about endangered animals called don't let them disappear scheduled for release in April. It'll celebrate. Wales. Tigers and other animals, and this is her third book for kids. I'm Laurie Perec's. Give more breaking animal news anytime at animal radio dot com. This has been an animal radio news update. Get more at animal radio dot com. Hi, this is Jeff Taylor. Ferguson modern family on Hannibal radio about the pet. You're listening to animal radio. If you missed any part of today's show, visit us at animal radio dot com or download the animal radio app for iphone and Android. Radio celebrating the connection with our pets. We will head back to the phones for calls. Dr Debbie enjoy Villani just a couple of minutes toll free at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five but first we're going to visit with author sandy ward who by day, she she's actually a medical advertising agency copy writer and by nights. He writes, amazing novels. She wrote the astonishing thing in the latest called something worth saving and she joins us now. Hi, welcome to the show sanity. Thank you for having me. So first of all I want to know about your animals. I wanna know d do you have animals? I do. Yes. They do. We have a big black cat named Winnie. Who is a rescue cat from our local SPCA. We have a really nice big new shelter on the jersey shore, cool, and they have hundreds of cats. Unfortunately, all looking for homes, but that's where I took my kids when we first adopted her, and she was just the friendliest nicest, sweetest cat that we saw in there, and we have her home now, and she's she's maybe nine or ten no. And we also have a little dog named Jasper. He's little fluffy, white Maltese and very cute. He's sweet lapdog and a couch potato and he likes to power nap a lot of the time and with intermittent bursts of energy and the cats actually bigger than the dog when he's quite a bit bigger than Jasper is. But so those are two pets do they get along? They do in fact when we first part when he home is a kitten. She would try to cuddle with Jasper. And he would just politely move a little bit away from her. But they do get along. I think he would enjoy it. If she played with him more. He'll try to get her to chase him. She's not that interested. She'll just ignore him. But they get along fine. They're actually friends your story. Are about cats or they're they're actually from the cats point of view. I wonder even though these are different cats in the stories do use your kitty's as muses for these. Yeah. Absolutely. When he is definitely my inspiration. When a you know, she loves to just sit in my lap or on the keyboard or by the computer when I'm working or she'll attack the paper coming out of the printer. So she's definitely an inspiration and probably just for as well. And I think just having them at home and seeing how they interact with the family and the kids it drives home that are pets are really a a great support for any family. And when you know, my family dramas are about families that are under a lot of stress, and sometimes people may forget that that puts the pets under a lot of stress as well. And and they experience what we're experiencing, but that also makes them very empathetic companions, and there they can really be a great help and provide a lot of hope to people when things are going wrong in their families. Got a cat that does the same thing sits on your keyboard types, for you and stuff how come you don't have inspiration to do something like this? The idea how the cats you right from the cats point of view, that's kind of fun. Just kind of started as a as an experiment. I just thought it might be an interesting thing to do right from an unexpected point of view or an UN have an unconventional narrator telling the story, but it's actually it works out. Really? Well, and I enjoy it. Because the cats voice is how I imagine it to be which would be she's very loving, and she's very loyal to her family members. But the cats are also a little bit Fasi in sir casting because that's how I imagined, you know, Mike Catt's personality to be. So it gives them a little bit of humor, and they can make funny comments about what the humans are doing. Sometimes the people are doing things that the cat doesn't understand at all. You know, they're great observers of what we're doing. Whether we're being good or bad. Whether you know, the people in the family are doing something smarter foolish. The cat kind of. She's she's a good observer of everyone's behavior. The brand new one something worth saving is about a boy and his cat and without giving away the story. Certainly don't want to do that. Give us a little bit of a tease. Julia, sure. So this it's really the story of a family, undergoing some big changes. What's happening? When the story opens is that you learned that the cat narrator name lily is really worried about to family members in particular. The first is Charlie who is fourteen and he's the youngest of three teenagers. The first chapter is actually called a boy named Charlie because he's a lillies favorite person in the world. But lily is noticed that Charlie has some bruises on him and she's suspects that he's being bullied maybe at school. So in that very first chapter Charlie comes home from school early. He's been cutting out early a lot and lily thinks, well, maybe he's leaving school early because someone there is hurting him and the reader also learns that recently, the mom named Kate has kicked the dad Jeremy out. Of the house. Now Lilly knows that mom has her reasons for kicking him out. But she also knows dad really wants to come back, home and lily hopes the mom will eventually give in and let him move back. So the reader kind of goes on this journey with lily, the narrator to try to figure out what is actually happening in the family and how she can help how she can help solve things. But I also see that there's a. But I also see that there's a dog in the story. How does the dog come into play? Introduced in my first novel, the astonishing thing there were a few dogs in that story. But the cat really just ignored those dogs. She wanted nothing to do with them. There was a little terrier that lived with the family who she didn't even call him a dog. She just called him not a cat because he wasn't it wasn't as good as she was. But in this story I wanted to introduce a big strong dog. And this is gretel she's a German shepherd. She's a retired police dog. And I think if you think back in literature, or in TV or the movies, sometimes there are these big strong heroic dogs who can do amazing things they can pull someone out of a burning building or jump into a river and save a drowning child, but it can't is a little bit limited, you know, cata small. She can't always go into these great heroic actions. And I wanted to introduce a dog who's really lillies partner in helping out the family, so their friends Lillian, gretel and lily. Really admires Griddle speed and strength. She might sometimes make some jokes about her because she is the dog, but gretel actually plays a key role in this story, and she's a major part of the plot. So it was kind of fun to be able to have both the cat and the dog as part of the story. A lot of fun. If people wanna learn more, they can hit your website at sandy ward books dot com, we're gonna give out ten copies of this book right now something worth saving by our friend sandy ward joining us right now. One eight six six four zero five eight four zero five to get on through and pick up one of those books. If you're not lucky enough to get on through head on over to Amazon at your favorite bookstore and ask for something worth saving by CAD. Ward spelled with an I S A N D I and during the day, you are a medical advertising agency. Copywriter? Are you the one that writes all those disclaimers at the end of the medicine commercial? Yes. That is one of the things I do to tell you. I really enjoy those commercials. But that is paid to do. Yes job. Thanks so much for visiting with us today. Enjoyed it yourself. We're gonna head back to the phones for your calls. One eight six six four zero five eight four zero five six. Hey, this is Sean Hayes on animal radio, they member to spay and neuter your pets. Something worth saving by sandy. Ward is touching funny exploration of family life as told by a highly perceptive and outspoken narrator named lily who happens to be a cat Vilis of fiercely loyal friend to our humid. So when things start happening in her family, she's ready to step up and prove that she may be tiny. But she's also mighty something worth saving will make you a believer in the deep connection between humans and their furry friends. Pick up a copy of something. We're saving today everywhere. Books are sold and visit Cindy ward books dot com. For more info. You're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six five eight four zero five Elliott. Doing today. I'm doing alright. With your pet doctor? Debbie's right here. Okay. Well. Enhance your old Shoah. Got a little bit of many them about today's exchange, but all his life. He's still have been kinda thin and watery agree. Are I call sign me? He got spoiled on people food, and I'm trying to get them back on regular dog food used to be if you could let them go hungry enough. He would start eating dog food or cat and he's been throwing up. Wow. Wow. We got. We got a lot going on there Elliott. And when you say slimy poops, he's always been that way. I mean has that have you varied his diet has he was that when he was on predominantly dog food. We got him when he was telling me filled my own, Adam. And generally they started him on dog as people food from day one. But yes, food spin Saami pretty much his life. Okay. Really bothers me when I hear that. He's always had some digestive disturbance. If he's always had loose poop and now intermittent vomiting. Gosh, you know, I'm going to say that this is really a health problem. We're talking about in not so much just diet preference. Issue. The reason being is that we humans unknowingly create medical problems for our pets and a great way to do that is to feed table food, and I can tell you how to good intention pet owner just the other day fed prime rib too has pet and wouldn't you know, vomiting and diarrhea ensued. It's not that it's a bad cut of meat. It's not that. It was undercooked is just jogs thrive. Best I just of Lee with her on a consistent stable diet. When we give them things that we eat. We're varying their diet from day to day in even from our our. So it's best to try to stick to that food. The first thing I'm going to say is with chronic. I just of disturbance. I am going to if he were here in my office. I would be doing fecal tests, and I would be doing blood work on him in parasite has because all of these things can cause chronic problems. And if we're not addressing that all of my recommendations for trying to get him to eat a certain food or just going to be worth as worthless. As a piece of paper. So that's very important. And if you haven't already done a good examination and concern with your veterinarian, I'm going to recommend that and come armed with poop sample in hand to you're veterinary visit for concern like it. It helps tremendously to have that poop information up French and visible for the veterinarian to look at. So that's your first part of your homework there now over the road. I'm gonna have tried to get home or Vic. Somewhere out here on the road. Yes. Absolutely. A little baby. Absolutely. And you know, with traveling you that does open up a whole additional can of worms if you will as far as when it comes to things like parasites, and intestinal worms. So if you're traveling a lot all across the country, and he's going with you, I'm assuming okay? So, you know, this this fellow it more than any other dog traveling pet needs to be on regular heart, worm, preventative and regular g worming for internal parasites. If you're not already on that that too will give you extra weight that get get him to the veterinarian because we need to be doing that for his health and preventative care. And haven't learned him in a while. I guess I should start doing that. You know, I get to. Absolutely now. And then I guess if we could fast forward and say his health is good. And we're just looking at how do we get a picky eater to eat? There's a lot of tips there in it's hard. If a human's complicate the situation by feeding from the table or feeding treats so some general strategies are to set the food down keep it down for about fifteen minutes. Twenty minutes inland to remove it for picky eater. That would be very important to set a mealtime strategy and get the pet in the mindset that this is when food is offered in this is when it goes away if he knows an hour later, you're going to give them something off the off of your plate. He's he's going to hold out for that in dogs. We'll go three days or more without eating just with the battle of wills and you have to kind of design your line in the sand for everyone. It's different for me. It's three days. And that's how long I'll go without a pet eating barring that they're in good health and everything else is fine. And you know, if you stick to that tough. Flow of you can do it. Now, the other things you can do to increase the the dogs. Exercise more exercise more calories. You burn the more. You're going to eat on. It is true. And all of us people trying to lose weight. You know, what I hear that? But it does Rev your metabolism. So getting some daily exercises important, and then setting up substructure to the feeding time. So we're gonna talk about setting the time, but also certain bowls some pets prefer plates, some prefer bowl some just like to eat off of a dog, Matt. So you have to find what is best for your dog. What they like and to really reward the eating behavior. So that means we don't want to reward the lack of eating which many humans do where we we talk the dog. Oh, Dougie good Dougie, but they're not doing anything. But they're sitting there staring at a full bowl not eating. So you want? Your job when he's eating and hold back that phrase when he's not and those diet strategies there, but I would say that I think a good health exam, and maybe even a special diet for potential food allergies, and such might be in your doggies reality here, if we can get you lined up with your veterinarian, and then working on some of these behavioral tips, they're good luck with that, Elliot. One eight six six four zero five eight four zero five to connect with Dr Deb your any one of the dream team. This portion of animal radio is underwritten in part by Schmidt's natural smell seriously in Beijing in support animal conservation with Smith special edition lily of the valley, natural decoder it created in collaboration with the Jane Goodall institute. 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Canned food for cats and dogs is grain and gluten free. Celebrating the connection with our pets this animal radio featuring your dream team. Veterinarian Dr Debbie, white and groomer joy Villani and hear your host Hal Abrahams and Judy Francis. And this our Gideon kid will be joining us. Remember Gideon we spoke to him in June. We were in here. Well, welcome to the show. I'll tell you all about Gideon. He's ten years old. Now, I believe he's ten he was nine in June. So she should be about ten good. Fifty fifty chance that he's ten by now, and he was going around trying to pet a million dogs was his mission. This is goal. So adorable taking pictures everywhere he went he would take pictures of him petting dogs and putting them up on a website amazing amount of followers on Twitter. I told him we check in with him in six months, and it is six months. We'll find out where he is in his mission to pet a million dogs. That's going to happen this hour right here on animal radio. 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I'm so excited about this. Because it's a great idea. It's got fashion. It's got a purpose. It's all kinds of good things about it. Why would you? Guess lingerie? You think lingerie is comfortable for a woman. That's all ladies. Love lingerie. Excellent point there it's on and off so fast because it's so uncomfortable and who wants to wear that we wanna wear something comfortable, don't we ladies? We wanted on and off pretty fast. And that's that's lingerie that's not something. That's long term. That's not what you see us. UC women's sitting around watching TV and lingerie with popcorn and see, you know, and they're slippers. And I really don't see women lounging around the TV. The kitty pretty much most of the time. So on the way, we'll find out what this article of clothing is with miss Lorie Brooks at the bottom of the Allen. I of your calls when we go to Jim. Hey, Jim, how're you doing? Good. Thank you. What's going on in your world? If I wanted to say that you'd never mentioned before. But I'm sure you'll agree with when I was younger actually about late twenties had this spot in my living room that was a little bear. And I got the idea, you know, would be good. They're a parent. So I went out and bought a cockatoo thinking on kidded nights cage, put a pretty parroted. And it'd be a good decoration. Boy, did I learn a lesson man. The Kinchen those things need that. I learned over the years. And I bet there's still a lot of people don't realize especially a cockatoo, and they'll outlive you to won't they? Yeah. And it's like having a kid. Be with you all the time. At least with the kidney of a chance of going off in becoming mica football player rockstar and support when you're. Yeah. But but my question was, and I'm sure you get this. Sometimes I know it's difficult. But have you never heard of any suggestions to help with the cockatoo as far as the screaming goes? Oh, definitely in. Jim. I'm gonna I'm gonna CHAI John this because a new lamp fills a space in your house by up ahead. Does not. Exactly as far as birds for the most needy pets out there. You know, they're flack animals, they're social creatures. And if you come into my office and say, hey, doc, I want to get a first bird for me. What species would you pick? I would certainly not say a cockatoo unless you had a lot of time to spend because. Are they do they are like we call them toddlers because they do require constant attention. And they really need a lot of social stimulation or they'll turn into little demon screaming picking their feathers out to they look like a plucked chicken. And so there really are not good starter. Birds and start with a little bird loopier heater -til might be the better beginner ver- for someone. So he's learned his lesson. Dr deb. Said he started picking his feathers and everything. I'm not trying to make him feel bad. But for other people that may be considering Burge we went to learn from other folks, mistakes earthly screaming, I is it's a hard thing as far as in a parrot to correct. The better way we can deal with this is to prevent it. So that's going to be a lot of making sure we've picked the right bird for household and that we're providing the right stimulation, but to correct this we have to look at what is triggering the bird to vocalise in when they're screaming. You know, some birds are going to scream no matter what a couple times a day. That's kind of a natural Burr behavior. We're not gonna stop this completely. The thing is to find out what the bird is motivated what is causing them to scream in. This can be a rumor. As long as worked in the room and the bird. See he's pretty good. But the minute we walk out of the room. He thinks hey, are you get back in here? Invert language what he's doing? He's saying, hey, where are you going? In a lot of times when birds scream and vocalized excessively, the human instinct is. Now new that in you are actually responding in a way that actually rewards that behavior. If you do that any attention that you give a bird that screams in the situation. You're actually just feeding that behavior. They're happier. Just acknowledging them they don't really care what you're saying, you're tone, where it's loud or quiet. So the the real big thing there is we need to work on a lot of things environmentally. So a Lennon's Burge will do this kind of thing also because they're bored, and they don't have a lot other stimulation. So there will be some changes we do in the cage. There's a a wonderful feeding method. Call forage feeding we we the food bowls, and we teach the bird how to forage again like they do in the wild where they pick up the food from the floor. And then she gives them something to do. So they don't just sit in a cage and wait for us to entertain them. So now, it's one incorporation I'd like to do for a lot of different behavioral problems for birds. But we we need to do just like with dogs. It excessively bark is we have to find those opportunities. When the bird is quiet to reward her, and we reward with attention, we speak to her maybe give food treat and the trick is when we are vocalizing screaming inappropriately when we we don't want that behavior. You don't pay any attention. You don't make eye contact. You don't roll your eyes? You don't side. You don't yell at the bird? You can't even acknowledge it. Because any of that is actually feeding feeding that in it actually can be very helpful for birds that scream if we teach them something else to do besides screaming. So I have some clients that don't like the birds whistling. But is something that can take the place of that screaming behavior. So you start whistling and teaching them adidi if they talk that's an alternate behavior. They can't do all their screening screaming. So we really work on that and trying to get that together. And you know, this is something that it can be daunting. It can be more daunting to deal with the bird screaming. I think than barking dog, you know, some species. There. You know, earn parent hurts literally hurts the years. Well, so the lesson here is is if there's a bare spot in your living room, perhaps not a cockatoo is is the answer. I don't think you're just getting something that's going to be simple at all. If it doesn't work like that. Okay. Thank you so much. Appreciate it and one eight six six four zero five eight four five, you know, I want to mention while. It is Dr Debbie time that your books. Your books are really good. I you know, I I figured out. She's right. Some books. You know, everybody does everybody tries it, you know, to to write a book your books. I actually got them from kindle, and I have an ipad. I don't have a kindle, and there's a brand new application for you folks that have ipads that want to read a kindle book. But Dr Debbie's books Yorkshire terrier Shitsu pugs in many schnauzers, how to be your dog's best friend, very educational, very fun. A lot of fun facts. Encourage everybody listening to check them out. You are riveted to him. Our doctor Debbie wrote this. Smart. You know, a colleague of mine had said that, you know, I'm reading this book, and I feel like you're just talking to me. And that is truly kind of how I approached. It is is really, you know, what am I gonna tell my friends? How would I tell my friend who's thinking of getting a pug, what are the good and bad things, you gotta know? So that's how it is. Now is your chance to talk with Dr Debbie toll free at one eight six six four zero five eight four. This healthy. Serving available radio is brought to you by the grain free red barn. 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American Airlines says they will respond to the claims in court set a rat in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me? I know that was too easy. Right. Well, who the heck is going to stuff a retina pocket? That's insane. I'm Stacey Cohan Gilmore animal. Breaking news at animal radio dot com. This has been an animal radio news briefs. Get more at animal radio dot pen. Hey, everybody. This is Brent Michaels. And I just wanted to say you right now want to take any the line again, my brain stiff, let Michaels and have one of my brain hemorrhage printing far. I don't want to be responsible for that. Trust me. It's me. Go ahead animal radio, Bret Michaels in animal radio guided nudie animal rating, like okay, here, we go. Hey, this is Bret Michaels. You're listening to animal radio take here your pets. They will rock your world. Do you travel with your dog? Of course, my pets are part of our family me too. I take daisy with me everywhere. Right. Daisy. How do you find out what hotels? Welcome you're dawn. I read Fido friendly, the traveling lifestyle magazine for you and your dog sounds perfect for planning our next bay -cation. Right. Daisy. It is their motto is leave no dog behind and they have great hotel in destination reviews. Where can I find the magazine? Go online to Fido friendly dot com. I will for sure come on. We're off to find our next adventure. You're listening to animal radio. If you missed any part of today's show, visit us at animal radio dot com or download the animal radio app for iphone, Android. Dog coughing is not coughing. He's got hypoplastic trachea. So he just doesn't get enough air all move, right? Yeah. When we had him at the vet and the x rate him, they he said, it's his trachea is smaller around in that BIC pen that I was holding at the time. Well, so how does that happen is it is it just verse defect genetic is it because people are breeding these dogs or is it just look drawn. He came the people who surrendered him to the rescue said that they had got him from an Amish puppy mill. What's her pretty common in some areas on the east coast and midwest, but they said that they took him to a vet in. I did see his records. And they said that the vet told them not sure about this. But they said that the vet told him that he wouldn't live a year. And he's. Now going to be five in February. So is their surgery to fix that? Or is it is it wear. He's also got an elongated palette, which is very common in BULLDOGS. But the thing I know so he's got this along ended palette, and he's got this very narrow windpipe trachea. And so it makes it very difficult for him to swallow things and for you know, which you'll get caught in the along pallet because it kind of crinkles up because it's too long. So that's what he's coughing about their. It's a mess. It's it's really sad and extremely unfortunate. But because it was a puppy mill. They've probably didn't care what they were breeding. And it's definitely something that should not. I mean, if you have a dog that produces dogs with these kind of diseases than conditions shouldn't happen. What's his outlook? Is it like most dogs? He doesn't realize that doesn't carry still a happy guy. Yes. That's exactly right, Judy. He's wonderful. He's he's very very sweet. And you just have to learn, you know, I was a hospice nurse. I. You have to learn how to care for him. And and he does great. He's he's spoon. Fed four times a day. Gee, Seth a lotta work. Not you know, I guess it's like if you you know, had kids, but this is forever. Yeah. Kids are forever. Well, yeah. But they eventually most of them. Learn how to feed we'll feed themselves, right? If you're lucky. So the lesson here is to not patronize the the puppy mills, of course, especially the Amish puppy mills, which I can say because no one's listening in. Yeah. I mean, any puppy mill is bad. When you go to look for a dog, if you're going to buy a puppy, you absolutely more than anything you want to say, I would like to see the mother and the father of this puppy a lot of times, they won't have the father. And that's because they've had you know, a study semen that has been flown in from somewhere else to impregnate the dog, the the mother, but the mother will have to be there on that property in most cases. And if you if they will not let you see the mother, and at least that will allow you to assess her her temperament and everything if they won't let you see them other. That's a pretty good clue that this is not a legit, you know, reader, and that it probably came from a puppy mill. And you also want to see facility that they came from that the mother lives in in how they're treated in taking care of right? I have a friend whose sister bought a labrador puppy or rather? Gives me a golden retriever puppy, and it was really disconnected. She thought they actually went out to a garage in. I think it was for Jinya and there were several puppies out there in the garage. And they they they picked one, and they said no that was taken they picked another and the last one like the runt and poor runs. But the one that they picked they said, no, oh, she's available, but they had a lot of problems with her. But because she wasn't with her mother long enough. And she wasn't you know, she was out in the garage. And they said it was freezing cold in the mother wasn't even there with her. Yeah. Another red flag is when they won't let you meet him at the premises. They wanna meet in a parking lot somewhere. That's exactly what happened. I'm glad you brought that up. That is exactly what happened in their case. They had a separate like kennel on some different property, then they just had these puppies in their garage. Red flag red flag Craigslist. There's nothing nothing. Good comes off Craigslist, anywhere. Anytime will you knew what we do in in rescue a lot with bulldog rescue. I know is we will get dogs off of Craigslist. And I can't even tell you. How many of them are dogs that are used in breeding operations in in very poor backyard breeder operations, but will buy them for a minimal amount rehab them and rehome them. Let's see you're doing it. For different reason, people that are, you know, you don't want to buy a dog for yourself off Craigslist that you don't have any clue what's going on where it came from. So, but what you take these poor dogs that are, you know? They're going to do something with them. If you don't take them, right? One of the the most recent ones that we got this. This dog is too. And I swear to you. She has nipples that are probably three inches long. I have no idea how that happened in. She's had several litters already. But the the guy who said, you know, here I'll give it to you for X amount of money. And he said, and if you want breeder, I've got a study in the backyard. No, we're taking your because we would like to get her out of this situation. Exactly. Oh, people like I can't believe in this day and age people are still that clueless. You know, what they're people that were into it. You know with this is our job, we're constantly around the animals that are people that aren't and they may not know that you can get specific breeds through breed rescues and breach shelters. You can save a life instead of creating what ultimately may be an animal with behavior problems and other issues, I think people are just more aware. Now, we have I mean, it's just a different culture. We have millennials who are changing the world as we look at pats. It's because of them that the pet business is really not pet business. The the whole retail had industry is exploding. Because in fact, I've got a story coming up about that how they're preferring pets over children uh. So you have a story about that coming up, and you. That's my dog. Annie, she's healthy now. But recently, she broke her leg, and I had to rush to the vet, thankfully, she's protected by embraced pen insurance. They covered her surgery and reimburse the clean quickly embrace offers one simple plan for unexpected accidents and illnesses that you can personalize to fit your budget to learn more. Visit embrace pet insurance dot com to get a free quote policies. Underwritten by licensed insurer of American modern insurance group coverage subject to policy, terms and conditions. Visit embrace bed insurance dot com. For coverage details, this is an animal radio news update. I'm Laurie Brooks. A new study shows that as a whole millennials are not really interested in having children human children, and the researchers are blaming it on their love of pets. This study claims that millennials are less likely to become parents of human children because they are instead focusing on animals pets apparently forty four percent of millennials are unsure if they want to have children, but their rate of pet ownership continues to soar seventy one percent of men and sixty two percent of women between the ages of eighteen and thirty four own a dog while nearly fifty percent of men and thirty five percent of women have a cat. And according to the steady pets are acting as a substitute for children of millennials, which this they say is suspected to be a side effect of the fact that this generation is half as likely to be married than the generations proceeding it so think about it. You can. You have a pet, right? Even if you're not ready to live with someone commit your life to someone else or get married, and you know, and they also pets provide great companionship millennials are also getting their pets younger than baby boomers did the average age for a millennial to get a pet is Twenty-one boomers waited until they were twenty nine a judge. Missouri has ordered a convicted dear poacher to watch Bambi. Yes. You heard that right. At least once a month during the next year, which she is spending in jail. The man is actually one of four family members implicated in a three year hunting operation that officials say resulted in the deaths of hundreds of deer the prosecutor said the family. Mainly stocked their pray at nighttime killing the deer and taking their heads and Antlers, but they abandoned the carcasses and left them there. The state's department of conservation called it a thrill and kill sport for those men, by the way, though. One year jail sentence was initially suspended in favor of two years probation. So the guy got lucky, but that guy who now has to watch Bambi. He quickly had violated the terms of that probation, which led the judge to reinstate the original one year sentence with additional Bambi twist to it. How can you make the money watch a movie, I mean, put them in prison making watch movie make him? Visit the place the facility once a month to sit there and watch the movie what was he's in jail. Right. They have to play it for him once a month. And he's got to watch it. Maybe they'll give them a test on it. Sure. What that supposed to? Sympathy for the for the for Bambi cases. There are a lot of follow up cases to these kind of sentences that say that's cruel and unusual punishment or it's like the judge flouting the law. But it's it's standing so far. So we'll we'll have more. If it changes now women of all ages love leggings, right? I can't be the only one. No, you're not you had to know that this was coming leggings for your dog. Apparently from the mostly millennials who are ended this say they can be a game changer when it comes to keeping dogs clean, so one well known brand of dog leggings is called walkie. Pause W A L K E E pause, and they actually cover your dog's legs and their feet, and then they they kind of clicked together across their back. So they stay put they can't come off the part that covers the feet. They say. Is like a rubber soled booty which gives them tracks in and also keeps maybe chemical sensitive pause clean and dry to the woman who invented walkie. Pas says the company is even considering making matching sets of human dog leggings in the near future. Okay. How that was coming. I'm getting around the show. Sorry, guys. I talked to this woman. Maybe she'll send me a sample to try on. I don't have a girl bulldog at the moment. But I'm sure they'll be a foster coming by soon. So. To be a girl. That's a good point. Because I guess I'm a woman in. So I thought you know, it's just I don't see a lot of guys wearing leggings. Do you? Are you? Where's Joey when we need him? Right. I'm Laurie Brooks. Hit more breaking anytime at animal radio dot com. Leggings? Do you wear? This has been an animal radio news update. Get more at animal radio dot com. You're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five eight Tracey welcome to the show. Doc you Debbie right here. What's going on? More. He's getting ready turn while he's eight months old sin. Right. Turn nine months old. He was in the veterinarian getting neutering, and we kept them there to get we kept on there to get kinda amended up. So we wouldn't have to come signing. He's a he's he's a balloon as pit bull. And I just wondered while he was saying he had broken. Its lag has backed lagged laugh flag, and they had to put two pans and his leg, and they're going to be there for the rest of his life. Will he eventually get arthritis in that? What happened to him as far as with the leg? We really don't know. They had them our dog run. Well, dogs will be dog. Sometimes things happen not Philly. Now, do you know what area the leg that the the fracture occurred? I'm sorry. Do you know what area in his leg in the five young? Yeah. I shouldn't have been and I thought okay, and is far as was it something that the bone popped through the skin or was it just kind of it's underneath the skin. It didn't know if that makes us scan. They said that them type dog get that like they can break 'em, really, easy if they jump. Okay. All righty. We'll. A lot depends on the outcome with fractures, depending on where the fractures located in. You know, definitely things like age Archie dots. Benefit young dogs. Definitely have a better time healing with fractures. And if they got good pin placement in that went in there and put things back in alignment pretty, well, if we can keep them quiet that also the big thing of post operative Lii is really no matter how good they put pins in and fix a broken leg. The home care is probably three quarters of the importance in making sure that he's gets a good healing in a useful leg there. So if if they got good placement, and they felt good about those x-rays, and there's no invasion into the joint area. Then I would say I'd have every reasonable expectation that LEGO he'll well. But that being said, you know, obviously, something you've got a pretty active guy on your hands there. So I would make sure we work really hard at keeping his activity post operative -ly. Under control. So we wanna limit jumping make sure that he's not running around like a crazy, man. Sometimes we'll use tranquilizers even to help kind of silicate that if we got a really rambunctious fella. You know, they tried that. But ever since he's been hey, he's actually got his appetite back. And but yeah, he he is very active that we're just been trying to keep them down. And you know, let cage I just was wondering fell arthritis and not when he gets out are we? It's in the middle of the bone, not likely. It's really if he gets close if the fracture site is close to where any of the joints are then we might have a little bit more concerned with that. But if he heals up fine, and there's no reason to remove those pins unless there's a problem or some kind of infection down the road. So he gets to keep hardware as a little remembrance of his injury. So hopefully, I'll also like it should turn out. Well on your end there and for little guy. My goodness. And blue knows pits are so adorable. They are some of the vessel confits out there. I got to say. Very cute. He's he's laying down right now while he's a God. Because he don't talk about. What's Helen, doc says to take it easy heal up and don't get into trouble with that leg anymore? Okay. Thank you so much for your call, Tracy and hope all is on the mend their SUV. This is Dr w with animal radio where here at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Hi, it's L cable and another dog tip. You're not going to believe what happened to me. I got bit by dog yesterday in the park. Yeah. I'm just minding my own business running this ladies coming at me with two dogs. No leash. I run by the dock sneaks up behind me jumps up on my forum takes a nice chunk out of there. And she still doesn't put the dog on a leash jokes on the dog though. He's going to get sick. From me, what was up with this woman after the dog had his way with my arm. She's still didn't put him on a leash. There were two of them and just like a pack one circled behind me to try to attack from there while the bigger one confronted me in the front now. The woman was just yelling and screaming dogs are not paying any attention to her because they're fraught with anxiety and fear, so what conclusions would you get from? This will first of all the dogs are not socialized at all. They're not used to being around people. And when they get around people that they don't know they become aggressive. They think that they have to protect their pack, which of course, is the woman dogs like this should never be allowed off leash especially in a park could just as easily been a kid on. A bicycle or a woman with a baby carriage. That's not the dogs fault. It's the owners fault, please. If you're going to get a dog, it's your responsibility to educate yourself and find out what they need to be happy well adjusted animals, and how to give it to them. It's only fair you don't wanna walk your dogs away from people because they're unpredictable and may bite. If you're thinking of getting a dog, write this down socialization structure, exercise and affection. These are the four basic needs that dogs have besides food. If you get a puppy bring the dog around as many kids and people as possible other dogs too. If you get an older dog, you should be doing the same thing unless that dog is filled with anxiety and fear. Like this woman's was in that case, you're going to need some help from an experienced animal behaviorist who can show you how to socialize the dog. And it's going to take a little work confidence and patients on your part. But with a professional a commitment from you consistent, fair leadership and time most dogs can be socialized and changed in a happy com. Well, adjusted animals black lounge sound dot. Af one headsets have a built him FM receiver. It was dual dynamic drivers and customizable in Q and sound effects settings. They're capable of delivering beautiful sound from rich base to detailed treble. You can always tune directly to any FM radio station for sports music, weather and emergency broadcasts without internet access. Visit WWW dot black Lau dot com. Create your account and order sound dot af. One by inputting, the radio station code to get the special. Ten percent discount. Ten percent off sound dot with promo code animal radio. You're listening to animal radio. If you missed any part of today's show, visit us at animal radio dot com or download the animal radio app for iphone and Android. Radio celebrating the connection with our pets. You can ask your questions toll free at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five you have probably a lot of questions in particular. We're looking at about the questions about your dogs and cats and flamingos in ferrets in horses in birds lizards, Dr wwl versed in that area to lots of reptiles. Yeah. Yeah. And we'll go back to those phones and just a couple of seconds. But we have to check in with Gideon kid. We we interviewed him in June. You may remember last June. He was on his way to petting a million dogs. He was in about three sixty at the time. And I told him we'd check into find out where he is now. And he's joining us. Hi gideon. How are you? So the last time we spoke you had pet about four to five hundred dogs almost four hundred dogs, and you're on your way to a million. So where are we now seven hundred fifteen seven hundred fifteen that's you've doubled. That's a lot of dogs there. Yeah. How did you pet? So many did you have to leave your hometown. Did you do some traveling? Not much. No. So is your mom still driving? You around looking for dogs e to would go around hunting for dogs and shoot stop the car and need to get out and pet the dogs. Do the same routine going the car drive around find it all part get out and ask them. We can put them on a website. Yeah. As anybody turns you down yet. Actually. Yes. Really? Yeah. Why I'm I don't really know. Sometimes it's just it's kind of weird because it looks like we're stalking them. Around. And like an asking on do we have it talk that don't give the door and stuff like that. And so when we finally park and get out they're looking really nervous. And like kinda scared me sometime and I've had weird weird weird excuses. Like, one person said on to us on mobile it on when I we part and got out and said could I pet your dog? He said he's going to the bathroom right now. Can't you see? And so yeah, that wasn't very nice of him to say that was it. Yeah. Do a lot of people know who you are in town now. I guess not that many, but probably enough. Yeah. No. Only it sometimes happened when I get out and asked to pet their dog. Did they know me? Dog at home named Walter. Right. Yup. And I'm actually putting him right now. Oh, good. He gets gets the special petty doesn't I'm glad you're not tired of petting dogs in poor Walter gets left out. Does he get jealous? No, it's like he does not smell the snows of other dog while glad he doesn't care. Now. Have you ever thought about bringing home another dog for Walter? Not really love another dog. That'd be a thing. But yeah, you're gonna get him in trouble. I'm sorry about that. I I do what I want to do how many followers. Do you have now on Twitter? One one hundred hate sixty seven thousand hundred sixty seven thou-. Yeah. That's pretty amazing and not only do you have Walter. But you also have cats at home and gerbils up. Yep. I've three cats. Steamy cheery Fred actually, oh, no on this to one pass away. I'm sorry to hear that. What about k? You also have a Venus Flytrap actually know that one passed away. They're really hard to take care of the are very hard to take care of. You gotta feed them. I play. I think you just like let him outside and the books come to them. The bugs will come to them. I think so. Yes, somehow, I don't know. Well, and they they're really hard to take care of because he need over four hours of sunlight while that's a lot of day. Did he ever bite you on? Now. Never did that see my can eat me. Okay. So I'm going to tell listeners to go over to your website. Learn more about you the website is I've pet that dog dot com, and we'll put links to everything you've heard on today show over at animal radio dot, Pat. And of course, check Gideon out on Twitter. And if you happen to be in town, where do you live? What town do you live in? Isla if you happen to be through, cedar falls, Iowa with your dog, you want to get in touch with Gideon and get your dog petted by what is in my mind. The foremost dog Pedder in the world expert dog Penner, you are you must be very experienced now as the dog Pedder. Have you ever been bit now? Good. That's good. I have I got to learn from you how to pet a dog. How do you pet a dog well on low? I of course. His his or his caregivers and his or her. And then you put in your palm out come up. Well, not just like you don't never do or just like run up to the Gauls petted all over like good. No, you just walk leave put your palm out and let normally let the dog come to you or lowly come to it. Good advice. I love that advice. Well, gideon. Thank you so much for spending time with us. Can we call you in another six months? Of course. Good. You're are you ten years old new? Yep. How old were you be in six months? Still ten. Then still, you know, when I look back on my life ten was the big year for me that was the highlight of my life. So I hope it is for you too. Okay. Okay. Giddy and take so much. We'll call you in about six months. Isn't that a door is so cute? I'll get so huge. Oh, it's time for us to get on outta here and go Walker animals if you need your fix during the week head on over to animal radio dot, Pat or download the free animal radio app. Is.

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Animal Radio Episode 990

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Animal Radio Episode 990

"The following program is underwritten in part by Schmidt's naturals, smell seriously, amazing and support animal conservation with Schmidt's special edition lily of the valley natural deodorant created in collaboration with the Jane Goodall institute. Five percent of each purchase goes to animals in the wild. Learn more and pick up your stick now at Schmitz dot com. Celebrating the connection with our pets this animal radio featuring your dream team. Veterinarian Dr Debbie, white and groomer joy Villani and hear your host Halley Rumson Judy Francis. Okay. You're gonna love today show, grab your pets gather rather radio. What are we talking about your pets? We're talking about any kind of pets. It could be your alligator or your Flamingo your, Katie, you're puppy or your goat your go-to. Love today's show. We're having back on leeann Laura's Sela. She is the goat, mama. Cope mama while you call her that for real I do I I called her goat lady at first. And then I realized it's she's not going lady. That's a completely different thing. She's got mama. She's the one that took the picture of her goat. Polly dressed up in a duck costume. I saw. Yeah. And she has a brand new book out. We'll talk a little bit about it. Also on today's show the big deal. CBD's CBD's you've seen these CBD supplements. Maybe you've even been pitched one of these CD's supplements for your yourself or your animal supposed to help them with pain or reduce inflammation. We're going to get down to the bottom of this today. Okay. What does CBD Stanford? How Kanana Docker Debbie in here yet I do stumped as soon as doctor TIMMY gets in here. All find out what it is Canada. Dial cannabis dial Canepa dial Qena, but dial. Yes, very good. Judy. Okay. See we don't need Dr w eight here. Where is she? Anyway, she should be here by did you tell her the show started anyway? Oh, good. She's on her way in. So we'll be going to the phones for your calls toll-free at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five anyway goat mama will be on the show today before it ends that name. Just sounds weird to me, mama. What do you make up my mind? He would slap me. If I did that what are you working on over there in the newsroom today? Well, you know, we spend so much time with social media. These days in southeast and everything. So what does that say about us as people as as pet parents when we always have our pets in southeast with us? And there's a new survey that tells us how many of us have our pets as our main like our feature photo on our devices guilty guilty. You're probably looking down at your radio going. That. And we want to talk to you now toll free one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five and we go to line two. Hey, Ronnie, how are you? Oh, how you doing splint? Splitting atoms over here. You want to talk to the doc. Yeah. If I could I gotta problem cat. All right. What do you got going on there? Why solver? Got this great big bay window. I looked on North Carolina down near the beach span. Whole snakes stuff like this. Around the house. I felt this point wise, latch, along the bay one zero for the cat. Sort of nice out cattle. Sit their sleep while I had this fake to came up to the window. The cattle Desai's backflip. Hopeless the cabinet. Trek through the window to get the snake mood here. I guess it's also in the front yard that. They've always been the hair catch never really bothered, and she's and everything else. But now, it's like a running battle. She's up squirrel trying all right straight through the window to get them. So she didn't do this before is only when she had more visual access with the bay window. Before it's just since that sake reached his head up lost in the see what was there, and she'll her is you. Wow. Yeah. I would make me do a backflip. So when she goes crazy, what did she do? She tries to get out the window. Does she ever like turn on you and become aggressive for you? While she haunches or and a cat haunch. Like a scared cat and the SS like suffered fingers and just try swatting the one goal like she wants to go through it. Okay. Well, you know, what you're seeing is is not an abnormal behavior. She she's displaying some predatory behavior. Whether it could even combined with some territorial concerns that she has. So a lot of times I have to commend you running. You you're doing a good thing. A lot of people. You know, these bay-windows a little window seats. You can put in for accounts. They do help to improve the kind of their indoor enrichment so it gives them more to do to watch the problem. Can't we can encounter with some cats is that if they don't just sit there passively and say, oh, this is cool. I enjoy watching like tennis game. In watching the critters go back and forth heightens to a higher level, and they become more anxiety ridden with us anything for you. That's what you need to decide. If for you. This is a problem in if you feel that it is unhealthy in the way, your cats behaving because I can tell you how to fix it. But if you don't think it's really a problem, then my recommendations, you may not wanna follow through on. Because the number one thing that we would do is actually to block access to these areas because the more that she sees these sees these creatures it further stimulates her to react in that same way. So we need to just kind of quiet things down and block access to that. And that may be something as simple as closing doors blinds, sometimes I'll put down scant mats or even just double sided sticky tape. So you know, Katie doesn't want to go in that area. But that's really going to be the first part of things and from there. It depends whether or not we have more problems so see. She was getting so worked up that. She actually kind of bites you or if you try to remove her from the area, she turns towards you in an aggressive means that can happen and that can escalate for a cat. That's just kinda freaked out and anxious by seeing these little predatory critters outside. That can get worse. So you can decide if you wanna make steps to curb this at this point. And if so the focus is we just need to get her away from that stimulation and access blocking. It's gonna be the first thing the other things that I'll look at are going to be kind of anxiety medications, and there appears that we can try. But again, you you tell me running. I is this a problem that you want to stop how she's behaving or is it kind of fun and entertaining when she's doing this. We're all sitting up videotaping videotaping. Billion dollars offer raving. Well, then you just answer that right because you're thinking this is funny. And certainly sounds interesting and funny, but my concern is that if this goes up a notch in her level. Did it could be an unhealthy pastime for her. And I think that's what you really got to decide if you want it for sue that. But she is not the typical cat. So most cats will sit there and just kind of watch this and she's a little bit more, hyper, but a little bit more reactive to the predatory stimulation. So you can try doing other things to give her some redirection for this behavior. Some of the toys where you can you know, an interactive toys where the cat. She says the ball around the track or the leaser late toys, all of those things are great ways to give her an outlet for predatory behaviors. And not have that window become the site where we're going to have that display itself. Jason's my seventy five. Male around the house. You know? And if it's all in good fun in newbies hurt in the process, then then that's fine dogs and cats can play play nicely. But really, I think you have to look at the tone of her mental state really watch her body language, and if she is anxious and freaked out by this, and it's not a fun pastime. And I would encourage it to make those steps and try to stop that. The snake was about eight foot long. I looked at it. Thanks, but had a distinct hers. What? And I imagine it probably freak me out too. I opened up my eyes of she a spic. Through the glass, happy. Frick beat out a little too. Yes. Absolutely. And again to be thankful that your cat is safe and sound indoors and not face to face with that that snake? It's a snake. That is on my property. It takes care of all the poice mistakes. It's a flex thing. Okay. All right. I live in an area where there's a lot of water. Mouse copperheads a lot of poisonous snakes. But this wax Jason hall. Around the house. It's just the first time, but she seen it. Yeah. Well, obviously, it's gonna leave an impression because negative experiences. Do leave a stronger memory for animals, then all the good stuff? So, you know, takes a longer time to extinguish the way that she's going to respond to that that site of a snake, or, you know, even a squirrel or whatever it might be that she's thinking that's going to be a danger to her coons, whatever it might be. So if you're not real hip unchanged. This you know, like, I said, you know, you're in control of this. And we can look at doing some things kind of holistically like a sex pheromones that can help to calm her down. But really you're going to need to control that environments. Thanks for your. I appreciate it. One eight six six four zero five eight four zero five Laura you had a question for Dr Debbie about feeding your pets organ meats, liver particular, right? The dog chef Kevin Matthews. It was saying he said a couple of times about how liver which is an Oregon me might cause other things in dodge. But he. Elaborated on that and in humans. I know it can cause gal and other things that rich organ meats, can what is the effect of of an organ meat when you feed it excessively to a dog who there's a couple of concerns some are similar to people's are little different. And in animals, it's very dense in vitamin A in that can actually you can cause toxicity by feeding too much fight in a so that's one of the reasons that it's not a a primary meat source that we use on a daily basis. The other thing is it's also high in cholesterol. And then soon reason for people that is really an Oregon meat like that is really not something we would want people to eat on a regular basis for me. I have kind of factories to love liver as a kid because I like to touch it in the grocery store, I'd like to stick my finger in it felt so cool. I thought, but it also raises ways. I okay. So yes, I'm telling you way too much about my weird childhood on it process. Way. So basically, yo detoxify the body. So you know, there's also some folks that have concerns about that. Sure. We'll if you're eating something that detoxified another body doesn't that just put the toxins in your body. Well, that would be the concern that gets all to food handling and safety. But I'd say for animals, it's really, you know, one of the vitamin E concerns is the biggest you're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Nature at its best is nature at its simplest at red barn. We've kept it simple for twenty years by concentrating on single ingredient natural dog treats because mother nature's actually pretty good at this bones are just tasty bones. Meet treats are just nursing meet its nature at its simplest look at the label. We want you to read bar natural treats, simply the best find it in your local pet. Specialty store. Try our slow roasted natural media bones. You're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Dateable radio. This is your lucky day. We are just moments away from talking to leeann lower Sela the goat, mama. She's no stranger animal radio. So grab your goat. And get around the radio. Go-to love this too. It's all about the goats. You know, we have some goats right down the street from us. They're hired goats. I don't know if they're union or not. But they've been brought in to reduce we weed control. Is that I thought it was. So that would be fires. Yeah. Well there around the park. I don't think there's going to be fires over there. I think there'd be surprised. Well, maybe but I thought it was for weed control. And yes, I did see them this morning and dog I was walking his just it just stops in its is get real huge. It's never seen a goat before it doesn't know if. It just stops. And stares my dogs are so nosy. They they would I would be stuck there all day with them because they'd be staring forever. Yeah. Well, I've learned to love goats since meeting. Leeann she is just all about the goats, and she has pup- she's like an Instagram feed. This is like the only social media that I will do I will go through her Instagram feed that Esther the wonder pig both of those. Yes, laurie. What are you working on for this hour? Like, you know, they're earlier this month we passed in Florida the amendment thirteen which bans greyhound racing in the state pretty soon. But there are if you didn't know this on both sides of, you know, animal lovers on both sides, some are celebrating in summer crying about this. So we'll let's yeah, we'll tell you why. Well, okay. I cannot wait to hear. I would think all lovers would love that. We'll find out why not in just a few minutes. That's about ten minutes away. Fact is your call is in between now and then. Let's go to Steve. Hey, steve. How're you doing? Pretty good. My little one just had about with. I guess what they call the lightest or whatever, you know, the little of blood in the still mucus and all that. And of course. It's frightening. That's sure. You know, they gave them the I guess the what the classic medication as the met. The flying goal of financial or whatever it is to meta. Okay. What do they call that Meta's something metronidazole? Yes, ma'am. You gotta ask her after that. So for you know, the and everything is firmed up now and everything that comes in is is going out a couple of people have said, I should give him a probiotic or something to reestablish. What that may have killed another word sets an antibiotic, correct? Metronidazole is in fact, an antibiotic. Yes, so so you is this only of diarrhea and suspected colitis or has found chat. Maybe three times before he's a little west time on boy, so seven years old. And it seems to be after he licks rash. You know, where somebody has been or or something like that? I think that's just my observation when you know, how he what might be putting the tummy, you know. Okay. Well, colitis can be triggered by a lot of different things in. It isn't typically just something as simple as looking grass other times there's inflammatory problems that we can have dogs can have inflammatory bowel disease. Sometimes they can have parasites like whip worms. There's a whole category of stress related colitis that we can get sometimes with a psychological or physical stress, and there's even fiber responsive colitis is. So there's a lot of different things that can cause this. So I guess my first thing is if this is the only out he's ever had. I don't necessarily think you need to go on a long term. Probiotic for some hats that are really struggling with a bout of digestive upset whether it's colitis or generalized vomiting diarrhea, if it's deemed appropriate by the veterinarian a lot of times, we will use probiotics in the idea is that we want to help to restore those good beneficial bacteria 'cause there's always this like little had all that goes on in a animal's gut and there's good bacteria, and then there's bad bacteria, and if there's plenty of good bacteria. They're kind of taken up the seats in the theater, then those bad bacteria, the ideas, they don't have as much opportunity to get a stab wished. So we're trying to create that crowded theater environment in your dogs cut. So a probiotic can help by doing that many cases for pets that are on antibiotics for a lot of various reasons. Not just diarrhea. We will use probiotics just to help to try to keep that good balance of bacteria in the gut. So that's often used during an after a course of antibiotics. Arctic perhaps if this is like you said more than the first episode your dog, he has had a good probiotic would be in line. And he asked me. I knew you're gonna say that because everybody does and my my best recommendation is to go with a veterinary produced probiotic a lot of research still needs to be done into. What is the best probiotic? And there is not a standard agreement in veterinary medicine. There's a lot of different cultures. You may find some that have left a bacillus bifida bacterium or a caucus are all real common ones. In different veterinary produced probiotics, but efficacy instability is really thing. So that's where I don't often recommend just go into buy cheapo. One that you'll find on the shelf because probiotics after survive, the gut they had to survive a lot of acid environment in the stomach get past the bile in the small intestine and old probiotics or those that aren't properly either refrigerated or freeze dried. They're just not gonna have viable live culture in there. And that is really important. And I dropped out after two years of biology. But you know, the rule is first do no harm. And I think especially with him a lot of things that I would do with a person or to the members of the family. You know, I experiment with them. But for some reason, we're so audacious without a little boy, how do people will take care of their pets and the put more thought into their their pets care, then sometimes to their own is like, oh, I got a headache. No big deal cut scratch. Yes. No doubt about that. Do you travel with your dog? Of course, my pets are part of our family me too. I take daisy with me everywhere. Right. Daisy. So how'd you find out what hotels? Welcome you're dawn. I read Fido friendly, the traveling lifestyle magazine for you and your dog sounds perfect for planning our next bake -ation. Right. Daisy. It is their motto is leave no dog behind and they have great hotel in destination reviews. Where can I find the magazine? Go online to fight. Oh, friendly dot com. I will for sure come on. We're off to find our next adventure. This is an animal radio news update. I'm Laurie Brooks pet owners in the UK are being asked if and why they include their cat or dog in their selfish that they post on social media is part of new research into our relationships with pets. Similar research continues here though in the United States. Dr Lori Cogan of Colorado state university says a previous study done here in America on this subject suggested that fifty percent of pet parents had their pet as their feature photo on their devices and that behavior she says offers insights into the close bonds between people and their cats and dogs. Now, the scientists are looking to see this trend is also similar in the UK to help us better understand the pet people bond. So there are actually US scientists helping on this study in the UK where by the way, there is estimated to be more than nine million dogs and eight. Eight million cats that are pets that sounds like a lot doesn't it? But here in the US, we have many many many more pets an estimated seventy million dogs and seventy four million pet cats while compared to run those numbers by me again. I'm sorry. I thought I missed that was the UK where in the UK. Yeah. How many nine million eight million cats? That's all. Wow. Yeah. Okay. And seventy million here, seventy four million pet cats. Yeah. Well, I think the territory's lot bigger here too. Absolutely. Okay. By the way, just a show of hands. How many of you have your pets photo as your your main screen photo on your your phone guilty me too? Now, if you missed it Florida voters approved amendment thirteen in the midterms this month that is going to end greyhound racing in the state by the year twenty twenty one it was huge news. But because the election itself was so huge. And there were so many big races. It wasn't covered as much. The really big news. Is that now rescues are going to need your help because the amendment did not address what to do with the approximately seven thousand soon to be retired greyhounds which leaves local rescues to pick up the slack. In fact, rescues all across the country are gearing up for this groups are said to be mobilizing now in other states, and every state is helping so if you're considering maybe in the future, adding a new job to your family, you might want to do some research on your own and consider a greyhound. That's great news, by the way for Florida. Yeah. And I just want to add if you think that getting a greyhound means lots of exercise. And running around. That's not true. They are one of the biggest couch potatoes. They don't have to run. They don't need to run their happy just lay on the couch whole. Yeah. So Dopp than older greyhound. Well, there some of them are young. You know, they race him. I think at two three years old. Yeah. Okay. That's good. To know. I have a friend who actually rescues several friends who rescue greyhounds, but one is very very active in it. And she was actually opposed to this measure to this amendment thirteen because of how many greyhounds it was going to put out there, and she's been to the track and rescued them right off the tracks. And she swears that they are very happy, and well adjusted, but because they didn't put anything in the amendment to help people retire their Dodds appropriately that it was just going to flood the market, and that might be even sadder. But once it's over and over I think these animals I've lived in cages, I think they push him too much. I think they start them too young with their bones. I think they don't I personally don't think they have a great lifestyle. I didn't have any for that. But it's still great legislation. I'm Laurie Perec's. Get more breaking animal news anytime here in here all size that animal radio dot com. Animal radio us update. Get more at animal radio dot com. You know, it's really easy to talk to the dogfather. Joey Valenti toll free one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five you don't even need to kiss. His ring. He will know. You used to back when we started the kisses route. Yeah. You know, things change because I tell you so I guess skunks around full force some right now is this season it, I guess it is I mean, I don't really know there was a skunk season. But I do know is when we have a lot of dogs that come in that are being sprayed, and if you know they instead of calling me right away. They try to do their own home remedies, and, you know, the first old wives tale is the tomato. Juice, which you know, the acids from the tomato will. Does anything that doesn't work though, say it? Listen, it makes a mess. Okay. Have you got a big dog that doesn't wanna be tomato juice bath, you know, and you can't control it. And then it runs through the house with covering tomato juice. It's horrible not only do small skunk. But you cleaning up stain stains from tomato. Whoever started that horrible. Rumor, I you know, I think it was somebody who was mad at somebody said he I tried this and they gotta even with. But I'll tell you what I always have different remedies than and we searched the fine the best one. This is a new one, and it works, absolutely fabulous number one. I wanted to say something that when a skunk sprays. It's mainly centred oil. So what ends up happening is if when when you go right to just putting water on the pet to try to rinse it off it sets in the the oils and the center will stay actually a lot longer. It makes it word. It really does. It really does. So what you want to do you want to break that down? I what I've found over the past few months, actually, what works even better is his. If you're doing it at home on a well, obviously, you are because otherwise you'd be coming to me. So this is the home remedy fill your tub up with tepid water water. That's that's comfortable for you to to take a nice warm bath what you'd be comfortable. And and then you wanna add about a half of Cup of your favorite pet shampoos, and you wanna mix that in that's important to say put the dog in the end have them sit down. And then what you're going to do is you're going to bathe or or sponge this or. Cup it over the pet would have. However, you want to call it and you get the pet wet with soapy water. In the meantime, what you wanna have made is you wanna take a half a quart of hydrogen, peroxide. An eighth Cup of baking soda and a teaspoon of dishwashing soap any favorite this washing soap to us. I'm like going toge or something like that mix. It all together on the wet dog apply this throughout the dog all over, and, you know, just don't get it in the eyes and working in really good. It's gonna get real suds easy and let the solution sit on for about five minutes and rinse it off Spelly areas that you've missed just repeat the process all over again, you can even just do those those certain areas, and I could tell you what you going to get most of that spell away. I've never seen anything to take away one hundred percent, but you'll reduce it up to seventy five to ninety percent. Which makes it tolerable too. Big problem. Is sometimes these, you know, pets dogs when the gone for a skunk. They usually go face first. So they shot right in a mouth. Unfortunately, there's not too much. You could do at that point. Do not use the solution in their mouth it will go away after a couple of days. But a lot of times it is their mouth. So if your dog is you know, let's you smell their face without getting bit. You know, sometimes check that. Because people say, well, my dogs, still, smells, well, the breath is what you spelling. Oh, okay. So stay away from the tomato juice. Oh god. Yes. What is the recipe? Again. How much baking soda is shampoo and everything it is a court of hydrogen peroxide in eighth Cup of baking soda and one teaspoon of dishwashing soap. But key is is that you have soapy water in your tub. I because that's going to help break down the oils, if you just put if you just start with fresh water with no soap in it. It's going to set that sent in. And it's going to be real hard to get out. I hear row row is not very happy about this. Do people bring skunked dogs into your grooming, salon o'shane's? It's happened. It's happened before to me. And and the whole house will wreak everything will wreak for kids. It's probably when it's fresh done. It's probably one of the most horrible hugely, strong odors that you'll ever if people who've never I know people say well like that spelling driving by you know, and I don't know why they would say some people do I don't think they've ever experienced it firsthand in you a house dog running and foaming it's horrible. It's terrible. But yeah, we get it all the time. The problem is as we usually get the aftermath because most skunks are not carnal. So usually the pet gets sprayed when we're close, and they try to deal with it at home, and they just make it worse. There you go. We're going to put the ingredients to Joey's magic recipe over at our website at animal radio dot pet. If you wanna talk to Joey, right? Now toll free one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five this portion of animal radio is underwritten in part by Schmidt's naturals, smell seriously. Beijing support Edelman conservation wish mitts special edition lily of the valley, natural the odorant. 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But you you might get in trouble doing that. We'll get afternoon, Heather how are you? I'm doing well. So what's going on? How can we help you? I have the whole team here for you. Oh, terrific. We need the whole team. So if the household with my daughter, and I which and I've had to chihuahuas one is four and one three it's a moment, and baby I mean, literally, and then we have several cats and the cats are at the issue with we brought in a new rescue border terrier puppy in June. And he got along great with Chihuahua and tally got bigger than them. And then now, they're, you know, and they played make clean each other and their ears and all that stuff. And it was great fun. But all of a sudden, he got more. I don't say Griffey but assertive in his play style. Go they now it other way and leave the room when they came in. And we tried to you know, we treat them give them a love and all that stuff. And we just need to know. Is it a puppy stage or something we should do kind of control his aggressiveness with the play style, which they do not appreciate okay now, you see aggressiveness so and just need a little clarification. So meaning he's rambunctious like his he kind of bounds on them. Leaps on them. And it's something they don't appreciate or is it actually gotten two bites and growls and know what you said the first the first just who rough a play for them. And they are neuter females and he's neutered male, and he's probably going on four or five months now. Okay. All right. You got the you get two different demographics going on. You've got the adolescent. Boy right now. In terms. We got the adolescent, and you've got the twenty year old college age girls. So do they want to hang out and play a lot together in the human world? Maybe some, but maybe their level of interaction together is going to be limited, and it isn't always realistic to expect those two different communities if you will to to get along long play and to interact in the same manner. So yes, the trick is to try to figure out some common ground, and that might mean a couple of things that might mean that we work on rewarding the patience of the gals, and then we work on expending this voyage energy that he has and trying to just just kind of burn that a little bit. And then then then hopefully, we can find some coming ground. But I don't I don't think the goal right now that you should be focused on is to try to get them to lay next to each other in the same room and say all is nice nice because that might just be a bit unrealistic for his age and his. That he has and being of a border terrier. I mean, they are go go go go. So terriers are all about doing sniffing getting into things, and that just might be a bit more than than the girls wanted to have happen. So I do like the idea of treats and rewards, but I would treat and reward the girls when he's around. So just the fact that he's around maybe interacting in the same room. That's a great reason to give them a treat. I wouldn't just give them a treat for no good reason. I would make sure we try to hear that physical presence of the other dog with something good comes to them. Whether it's a special treat some special love. You know, whatever it might be that your your dogs enjoy. But I really think the big thing is for this. This young fella is to get him worn out, and that might mean finding some activity that is good for him. It's just kind of burn that energy down. Whether that's going to a playgroup like a puppy kindergarten class. A doggy Dougie daycare pl- said play groups taking him out for long extensive walks playing ball some little tears excel at things like fly ball, which is kind of a retrieving game with with balls where they have to do a relay race. And that could be a great thing as well. So something to give him some physical activity and stimulation. So that when you do have them all together, you can kind of expect hopefully, the the interaction will be a little bit more in a subdued level for him. Exactly. And I think I think we're both on the same track. So thank you very much for that. He converted daycare a couple of days a week just today. Oh, man gum. Yeah. Somebody's gonna dog. Anyway till I think, okay. So just kind of treading tire him out it. Yeah. Exactly. And you know, in in recognizing when his behavior starts to kind of amp up, and if that means kind of interjecting yourself into the equation, you see that he kinda gets that some puppies get kind of crazy puppy. Look what they've been on the heart kind of it, just as nature, you know. It's like, okay, calm down. You know? So he just gets into overwhelm like a little kid at bedtime. You just you got wind. Okay. You got. So I'm glad that all innocent in its playful because they ad is totally workable, and I would see that. These guys are going to, you know, be pals down the road. But yeah, he's just kind of annoying little brother right now. I appreciate it. Okay. Well, thank you so much for your personal collie freesheet it that youth. Preliminary Heather, we appreciate it. Toll free one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five don't forget, you can also ask your questions from the free animal radio app for iphone and Android. This healthy. Serving available radio was brought to you by the grain free red barn. Naturals Kenyan food for dogs and cats always made in the USA with natural functional gradients to support your pets optimal health. Learn more at red Barney dot com. 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Eight eight eight seven eight five zero six one eight eight eight eight seven eight five zero six one eight eight eight eight seven eight five zero six one eight that's eight eight eight seven. Eight five zero six eighteen. Celebrating the connection with our pets this animal radio featuring your dream team. Veterinarian Dr Debbie, white and groomer joy Villani and hear your host Hal Abramson Judy Francis. Hey, are you doing? Good good. I'm glad you're here. Joining us today, if you wanna talk to the doctor Dr Debbie toll free, one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five or the groomer Joey Villani, the dogfather don't forget, you can also ask your questions from the free able radio app for iphone, Android, blackberry. C B D CBD's. See we probably heard about this spinning. You don't really have to go very far to hear a little bit about CBD's. It's what they're calling the new miraculous drug for both humans and animals edits. Unfortunately, it hasn't been tested. It's a component. I guess and you'll have to correct me if I'm wrong, Dr Debbie it's a component of marijuana. It's part of it. It's a part of it that it's not the high part, not the the part that makes you high, but it has anti-inflammatory properties MIT understand that correctly. Yeah. So it's what they call a fight. Oh cannabinoid. So it's extraction from the plants in it has an effect at different receptors in the body into Canada. Dial CBD they find we do have receptors in the nervous system. So maybe used for things like seizures for pain. So that's kind of where this is coming from. And there's a lot of uses in animals, we just don't really know Joses safety what you're buying on the shelf. If it is what they're saying. It is or even if it's the same in that an animal versus what they may be looking at it a person so a lot. We don't know, you know, I get so many solicitations in my Email every day about this. And I don't know if it's because I'm in the business, the the the pet business or if everybody's just getting these kinds of solicitations from manufacturers of CBD oils and supplements treats injuries. Yeah. The treats now, so it's crazy because I don't know if this is as legitimate as the Nigerian who wants to send me all of their life savings. I am going to say it's a little bit higher up in the Tressler these scale. I I would say it's just it's kind of like, you know, you have a bag of twenty products, which one's the right one which one's going to be efficacious, and which ones can make your pet sick. And that's kind of where we don't really know where that all falls. Okay. I know they're doing research on this not a lot yet. But they're starting to do research on this. And Dr Joe Walsh, log he's going to be joining us today. He is a professor he teaches clinical nutrition in sports medicine and rehab, and he'll tell us exactly what he knows about the research that's been done on CBD's, and whether or not we should even give those a second thought yet. So that's on the way this hour right here on animal radio, a Laurie from an Israel. What are you working on? Well, I've been doing some early holiday gifting or searching for gifts online. Really? Yeah. You know, always looking for stuff for my pet loving friends. And I found something I think y'all are really going to like, and it's pretty inexpensive too. But it will solve a common problem. Okay. I cannot wait. Of course, I'll start my shopping one month. From today. Christmas eve. That was a Christmas tradition with my dad when I was little shopping on Christmas Eve. Really, which one should we go to Judy? They're all Regan red hot line to pay Linda, how're you doing? Good where where are you today? Listening on what station. Do you listen on? I'm not really sure my husband does I'm legally blind. He's the one that told me about it. And he would never move on it. So I listened I recorded you're you're on a show like two weeks ago, and I had a real hard time trying to understand the phone number. You say to to man. To meet three days to get them. Number. I drew a listener to actually record in the phone number because I said it so fast. Well, let me just say it one more time. Nice and slow for everybody. It's one eight six six four oh five eight four O five. That's it. Started. Oh, good. It spells ca Florida, by the way, if that makes it easier with the number. What's up with you? What's going on? What I have the doctor, Debbie right here. I have a rescue baby his name is clever. He's mixed collie and cocker spaniel. And I guess like six months after I brought him home. He started to bite 'cause pas, and he I mean, he would bite them until it looked like a machine chopping. You know, what up and then it got to the point. He starts doing his back in on his side. And I've been taking he's four. Now, I've been taking him to the vet every year at least six times out of the year to get allergy shots. And I feel so bad for him. I heard for him because I haven't had so much, and I know how I feel and I can't do anything for him. And when my husband heard your show, you told me about I said, well, we're going to do something I promise clever. I was going to help him. All right. Well, very good. I like that empowerment that you got there. Now, let me ask you, Linda when he gets his steroid assuming that's a steroid shot. He's getting shop. How does he respond afterwards? Does it help them? It used to. I just had him interrupt. How to shot Saturday Friday, and it didn't obviously didn't work, and I'm not really rich here. I saved my money up pissed for him. I'm over ten thousand dollars just in four years on my baby. Oh my goodness. Yeah. So a lot depends how we approached us on what is going on in his skin surface. If he's got hair loss if he's got sores if there's an odor. There's other stuff going on where time just by yourself. Let me by yourself on the back end he has to awful older, and he scratches, and he gets a little clumps of hair out, even though he's sending they're clump. And he has had scores you'll even scratched the top of his head where you had a had a store, and they had to shave his hair off. He's gorgeous, though, he's the most unusual color. He has corn silk spots all over his body and his bite go, right? Feel so bad for him. I feel bad for any animal. They have to go through this because I have one of those combs, and I have to live on him. I can't I you know, he's right here beside me now, and I have threatened him with the call. Oh, okay. Well, here we go, Linda, I'm going to give you some tips. Yeah. We're going. We're going to give you some ideas of things that we can try now. Many of these things you're gonna have to go through your veterinarian. It's you get the appropriate help. Okay. But there, but there are some very common areas that we kinda miss sometimes when we assume pet always has allergies, and we try the the steroid row. Are we tried kind of you know, just minimizing? It's doing what we can to stop the edge. You can actually be allowed to other things going on. And one of the big ones that I will do is I address fleas, and even if you're on a great fleet product, sometimes just a single bite of a pet who is allergic to the saliva fleas can really send them over the edge. So sometimes we have to add in some of the oral products to do a quick kill on the on the fleas in use it in conjunction with your regular topical flea product. In. Ford. Conforto the tablet. Okay. I get that. So at once a month. Okay. So that is one of those oral ones. So that's a great thing. Now with that. You should also be following that up with some other form of a flea control. Because the ad is only going to be killing those adult fleas maybe lasted for the good month. But we wanna use something else in conjunction with that. So amp up your flea control there. Now, the other thing that will often do end, you know, fly like to do tests. I'm a veterinarian we'd like to have proof for some of these things. But sometimes we don't always have maybe the finances to permit that one simple thing, you can ask your veterinarian to treat for our mange mites. There microscope mites that are very very itchy and they can actually occur in a pet. That's been on chronic steroids. It can happen on its own on his own right as well. So without there's a different type of approach for mange mites. But see your veterinary in about that and ask them for treatment for that. Now, the next thing that really can complicate a itchy dog. Whether it's allergies or we have something like fleas, or we just have chronic skin disease is going to be an infection. So we can get yeast and bacterial infections that kinda come around on the right if you will with disease skin, so a lot of times with all that scratching and all that Itchen it creates an abnormally skin surface. So we really the the dog can't defend itself against normal things, so bacteria and yeast which kinda normally on dogs skin. They get an opportunity to take advantage, and they find that happy home in that that abbreviated irritated skin. So a lot of times when I'm treating with allergies. I need to also treat those infections and annual again of times I like to check the skin make sure we don't have those. But in some cases, if we're trying to streamline I'll put a pet on a course of an anti yeast medicine in an antibiotic at the same time just to kind of cover our bases shrieked for what could be there and see if that might help because I'll tell you yeast infections. Dog skin are very common, very common with pets with allergies, and they are intensely itchy in. They're also, stinky so wanna make sure we do treat that possibility as why? And then from there if you're not doing some kind of home therapy with Medicated shampoos. When my. Medicaid a sample. I'm scared so softest my set of by. Yeah. Yeah. And topical therapy can help it by itself. It's not gonna do the sole trick. But it can be a nice relief. A little welcome in that cycle. Maybe for a day or a couple of days at the most. So a nice oatmeal bath would be something that I would certainly say his skin would welcome. Okay. Do that twice a week in? Okay. In in. Really? I think a lot of that's kind of going you're reading Aaron and saying, hey, you know, I'd love to do everything you'd love me to do. But can we try some of these things, and maybe alleviate some of the other symptoms that might be going on? And we'll see if that that might kind of nip some of that scratching the, but therefore you okay? That sounds really good. I wish you live near me. So. I wish I live near the beach tube. I actually I practice in Las Vegas. I have a son. I have a son. Grandkids come there, anytime and Bizet. We'll give you a baby. A Pat on the head there. Linda, thank you so much for calling. Email or G mail. Yeah. We have animal radio dot com is our website. We're also on Facebook at animal radio. And if you have if you're able to get an Android or iphone app on your new tablet, you can download the animal radio app, and you can actually ask your questions right from that app. Listen to. You go girl. Linda, thank you so much all start talking slower or giving the the numbers out store. Take care. It's one eight six six four oh, five eight four zero five little rhythm to it. Minute. Tell you a story about how the drug war in Mexico began. It was boss only on Netflix Miguel Phillips guy rug Cape employment. Take up Felix we cripple the Mexican drug trade witness the birth of Mexico's drug war. Take down the ones calling shots stunt gloves. Process. The DA for the last time tonight. Nor goes Mexico now streaming on Netflix. You're listening to animal radio. If you missed any part of today's show, visit us at animal radio dot com or download the animal radio app for iphone and Android. Animal radio celebrating the connection with our pets. We will head back to the phones toll free at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five up next. Don't forget, you can also ask you questions from the free radio app for iphone, Android, and blackberry. And you don't have to go very far to find CBD products. That's the new big thing. Now, especially since it's marijuana has become legalized in in many states throughout this last election. You'll be happy to know that some research has been started at Cornell and joining us as Dr Joe Walsh, log Dr Harry doing today. Very good. So what does b d do what what are these products do? And how do they help the pets? CBD has some anti-inflammatory properties. And so through those properties. Hopefully, we can get some pain relief to some degree so more than let's say aspirin would or other anti inflammatories. About the same. I guess we really don't know. Exactly how work, but we do have some capability to stop inflammatory cascade. What kind of research is now being done at Cordell nothing. It's actually considered illegal. Being allowed to do research picks up for Colorado state at this juncture, okay? And what what did we found in the research so far? Mall study. We did we actually so that the dogs a bit more comfortable their owners were very satisfied with the response. And that you know, overall or veterinary assessments showed some thing responsible. Are there any side effects? None that we know that they're juncture we have seen some mild increase in liver. Enzymes the one enzymes called elk fos. The tastes Flynn, fossil taste is a pretty nondescript enzyme goes up with a lot of different medications. But then what is the price cost is it similar to other anti inflammatories? Yeah. That's the the little will say conundrum here that you can pay, you know, basically between the Beller Puto to three or four dollars statically. And right now, we think that those is about to makes her kilogram body weight based on our study. But until more out is Colorado state finishes their studies. You know, my mailbox fills up every day every single day with new companies that are now presenting this CBD product to pet parents essentially, what is the difference? Are they regulated are some of these good or some of these bad? What what are you know, we really don't know which are good and what you're bad. We have some of the evidence from the studies at Cornell, initially and then over Colorado state with the companies that are, you know, giving us the analysis and oil, you know, what it is it's fairly consistent. But I think as you said there's a dime a dozen now out there on the internet market and read have no idea a fellow with fourteen product about Abby on laboratories and came across with very insignificant amounts of eighty two. You know, what we know can be in a product, which is what we found in the products reuse, which Alabama. Sciences product. Is it safe to say that the the normal person might not notice if one of these things is working on their pet the pet can't say, hey, I'm feeling much better. Is it better to go after the pet market because people can't really prove whether it's working or not. I think there's enough evidence using various pain scores and various activity indices that have been validated for owner use that we use in our study that we can you know, dogs can jump on beds, again, sometimes they'll accept playing with other dogs. You know, is that a pain response? So they just feeling better. All you know, that's that's hard to really assess, but we've really kind of used mobile, call validated scoring systems or pain and our activity and shown improvement. So that's about as good as we've got. But so he's saying that's taken it from a level of just someone using this buying it on the internet and saying I think my dogs better on it. So we we're trying to get away from that. And have some kind of way to compare patient one two or three down the road and say, you know, is this really something measurable. We can report back to pet owners in rather than just say. Oh, yeah. Try but it online works. For listeners that are saying I really want to try this. I have an animal that might be in some pain. Is it too early really to start using this stuff? Do we need more research? Need more research, particularly sensitive indication substantially seizures anti known as quality of life parameters etcetera. So I mean really do the research on. Fortunately, the B has folks running scared about using it. And so until the DA actually comes around and says not to you know, that we can start using it their whole bunch of logistical things that are going on now between CD being classified as a schedule live drug with fans, anybody can use it anywhere anytime. However, you put stipulations I wear can come from whether the FDA approved it the farm Bill is a whole different thing, which essence supersedes anything that the DA talking about right now. And I think we'll see this open up as the foreign Bill in two thousand eighteen gets passed and people are less scared of what the DA may or may not. I'd say because of the national growth regulations that will be allowable, we need more research for sure. But I think it's going to be a couple of years before we see it. Okay. I appreciate your time today. Thank you so much for visiting with us. Dr Joe Dr Joe walks log joining us, and I think that he echoes pretty much. What you've always said Debbie that it might be too early. And that they're just waiting for the research to find out what the stuff does. Yeah. And to make sure there's no harm done because you know, there's certainly potential for drug interactions that we just don't we can't warn people about some. Okay. So I'm ignorant. What does CBD stand for Canada? Dial that's the extract instead of T H C, which is the sacred traffic cannabis. Dial is more kind of use for the anti inflammatory doesn't have the mood altering kind of this psychedelic kind of properties. It doesn't make you high is what you're seeing. Exactly. Yeah. Tonight told him at a news headlines. I'm Nick miles Detroit symphony has created the musical list that will be used in the brand new Lincoln aviator SUV to be announced the upcoming LA auto show the sound recorded by the Detroit symphony. We'll be played for twenty five different alerts and features inside the vehicle including an open fuel and at unforeseen seatbelt. These combinations of lists will be able end of percussion violin and viola gone will be the annoying chimes replace why the sweet sound of a symphony football, go to our auto expo dot com. Think rally auto parts for all of your car needs. We are close convenient and known for our guaranteed, everyday, low prices and excellent customer service from professional parts people you can trust. Stop by your local O'Reilly auto parts today. Overly auto parts. Better parts, better prices every day. This is an animal radio news update. I'm Laurie Brooks. I new study has come out and started some conversation around how pets may be getting anxious and some even depress when we spend too much time on our phones, actually the study was mainly about the positive effects have pets have on people suffering from mental illness, but somehow the attention shifted to become about how when we spend time on our phones and devices instead of engaging with our pets that were essentially ignoring them because they're right there in the room, which can make them feel lonely, and isolated several animal professionals have even come out on this saying that this is a very real problem. These days when veterinary surgeon in the UK said to understand what's going on. You have to look at the basic principles of how a dog interacts physically and emotionally with the human because a dog is a social creature pack animal and to the dog you meaning the pet parents are the bona fide. Guide leader of their pack. But if you're perpetually attached to your phone that vital bond kind of breaks down. I I do I notice myself doing this at times, and I will think okay, stop, you know, what is it's really easy to quit Facebook, I've done it. I I have a man of little discipline. Should I say, but I quit Facebook. And now, my time is the president with my animals, you know. And I have to say I see a lot of people in my neighborhood walking their dog and they're on their. And you know, what this is all about being present. In the moment. You walk walking your dog enjoying the outdoors put the darn phones down because you're gonna hurt yourself or your pet by not paying attention here. Here. Drink to them favorite all-time videos is the woman walking in the the shopping mall and looking at her phone and she stumbles into a water fountain. Yes. I love that. That's one of the videos that you were watching. You were not present. No, it was actually on TV because it was so funny. This many years ago. Authorities in Kansas City, Missouri. They discovered that they had an unexpected occupant. Several of them in fact, when they went to victim in from his grandmother's home now, it was his grandmother's home because his grandmother was in a nursing home. So inside the house police found the man they were looking to evict along with three snakes a rabbit named dinner. I don't like names like that. And also a seven foot two hundred pound alligator so animal control. Remember, this is Missouri was called in and they removed the gator. The grandson said that the gator was only fifteen inches long four years ago. And it just grew bigger over time on the diet of chicken, nuggets steak, dear in fish and believe it or not officers said this alligator was kind of like a dog. It didn't really know. He wasn't alligator. And the grandson was interviewed later in. Added that the gator is actually afraid of the dark and thunderstorms. But for now, it's a pretty sad situation. The Gators being kept it a wildlife rescue centre, which is home to several other illegal pet. Alligators got too big for their owners. You know, what I think he feeds the alligator bagel bites from what I heard bagel bites to we're trying to track him down. He's a hard guy to track down. We wanna talk to him on the phone. Yeah. But he got evicted. So it's it's tough. Cell phone. You guys come on those things that we spend too much time on the stories in the reports about this change. It's a six foot alligator, it's a seven foot alligator, I I think that some of the press and the media are kind of glamorizing this whole thing and tried to make even more pressing because let me tell you six foot. I wouldn't have thought anything but seven feet. I wanna see that story. But it is amazing. Yeah. That it started fifteen inches and four years, even if it's four feet slithering around your house. It's still pretty big. What was his name here? Gator dater catfish. Catfish catfish early? Yeah. Well here in my house. I am the chief pet feeder. And one of my biggest gripes is an I'm, you know, I want to hear what you guys have to is your big gripe about this is that when feed bags have a really cheap ziplock on them. Then it doesn't seal. Well, I hate that. And you spend I do too you spend ten minutes trying to get it to closer or worse yet. There's no seal to it at all. So I was kind of excited the other day when I found this huge gigantic clip that that seals with a lot of pressure, and it's for pet food bags, and it's not gonna keep a bag fresh for you know, like a year, I guess when it's an sealed container, but it will at least keep a stray cat on the counter from digging into it. And we'll hold it for like a week. It's this huge chip clip. Kind of thing that reseal large bags of pet food and has a carry handle on it which. Alike because you know, lugging those bags is not always easy. But I just thought I would share this because I searched for these things around the holidays for all of my pet loving friends. This is not a commercial for this. But if you get upset too because you're the pet food person in your house than it might be something you want to check out is called the handy camel clip. And I thought it would be good for a stocking stuffer only twenty one to two of them. Yeah. I mean, that's a pretty good deal. You know, what we need to be our age bag clips or a pretty good deal. Okay. So if you're listening now going what what they're talking about bad clips, they're making a whole thing about it's a big deal at our age in ziplock, the kind Stella in shoe is that pull open in from the middle, and you just pull it out though. That's a pretty good one to keg Laurie. Get more breaking animal news and ziplock advice here on animal radio dot com. This has been an animal radio news update. Get more at animal radio dot com. You're listening to animal radio. If you missed any part of today's show, visit us at animal radio dot com or download the animal radio app for iphone and Android radio. And no stranger to animal radio is leeann Laura Sela from goats of anarchy highly. And how are you doing? Welcome back to the show so much for having me. How are you very? Good. So for those that are new to animal radio. And that's you know, that's possible that this is their first weekend listening or your first year listening or your first decade listening. You may not have heard Lianne before leeann quit her job in what New York City. What did you? What did you do there? In the city, you know corporate event planner so Boeing any to work every day wearing high heels and the make up dressing up and designer handbags all of that. So things changed for me. That's for sure. Yeah. Cheese, pretty radically. You gave that stuff up got rid of the Mercedes and got a pickup truck. And and you start trade. It was a great trade. Yeah. I bet especially for insurance. So I gotta think that first of all you must have felt like you really hated your day job that you wanted to do this. But you you felt that you wanted to have a sanctuary for goats. I actually get it really hate my day job. I I was good at it. But I just was feeling very unfil-. I felt like I'm going to work every day. What what am I doing? I'm working for someone else and making somebody else money, and what is this is. Where is getting me? So yeah, I got. Though as pets and Jackson Opie and time that I spend outside with them the more. I did not want to go back into work and sit in an office day. And until I mean McCain our stall feeding I just I loved every minute of being outside. And and a couple of months later, I got three more goats. And so I had I had five and a little hurt. And then I just I really got hooked. And I just decided I wanna do something with animals. I don't know exactly what it is. Or or where that's gonna take me. But I decided to just kinda take a leave of faith and quit my job. Which is very very scary. And we were at me there. Is there a Mr Lewis Silla? Yes. That's how I live in the city when I was working in. I got married and moved out to New Jersey and then started commuting. And so he was in the green that, you know, at the time that it would be okay. It's kind of. Have a little analyst venture. And and on my first day, unemployment, you know, it was really nervous. It was a Monday. What do I do? This is I've never not had a job before. And then Instagram's featured one of my photos on their homepage. And I got like thirty or forty thousand followers that day. And so I took that as a fine. I was on the right track. Well, the the picture was of paulie if I'm not mistaken, and you put poly one of the goats in a duck costume. Yes. Paulie was a famous a little famous little though, she's blind and she would wear dot costume. And I kept her very calm and ease her anxiety somehow and that went viral, and that got us a lot of attention also. Yeah. Then eventually led to what's her name. Rachel ray. And BuzzFeed and a book, and it really has helped you not only promote what you're doing. But I'm sure it's helped. Fund what you're doing? We actually have six books now in four of them children's books, and you know, one of them is just wrote called pizza. That's not and we've got calendars and all kinds of stuff and that does help fund what we do. We're special needs go rescue. So we, you know specializes in goats that have lost limbs. A lot of them do defrost by a lot of injuries NPT's some of whom are birth defects. And we get them wheelchairs little carts to get around. And we work with biotic pets, and we need fabricate prosthetic limbs for them. So we have almost thirty goats who are in some sort of a prosthetic wheelchair part. So we call those Raila vote, but altogether now we have about eighty five we are with leeann, Laura Silla. Now, do you like to be what do you like to be called the go-to anarchy lady? What? Everyone around here called goat, mama. Go momma. Okay. I like it. We're gonna take a quick break. And we'll be back with goat, mama, right? After this. Stick around. If Ernest Hemingway was alive today, would he say this to you? Shakespeare, Mark Twain, Edgar Allan Poe, all great writers. 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If you missed any part of today's show, visit us at animal radio dot com or download the animal radio app for iphone and Android. It is animal radio celebrating the connection with our goats. We are with leeann Laura Sela. She is mama. She's no stranger to animal radio. We had her on back when she dressed up Polly in duck cost whenever goats in it. It went viral. She has a new book out. It's called peace love goats of anarchy. And he talk a little bit about how much the goats can teach you. What have you learned? I wanted to wanna change. But the these guys really are just so inspiring. They you know, I've had a lot of very sad. Sad harbor you times in a lot of really happy in moments washing them, overcome obstacles. And you know, the thing about these little boats is they just they never give up their this strong as little animals I've ever seen. And they don't know a lot of them are born different. A lot of them. You know are handicapped that I have they have special needs. And they they they just go with it and they still live life to the fullest. And I just think you know, the way that they look at life. The could teach a lot of us to be the same. Sure if I could only be as good as my goat. I need a shirt that's going to be my next shirt. Well, you you've got the whole merchandising thing going on. I mean, obviously that has been very key and influential. So how did you learn about goats? Did you take some kind of crash test one one to learn learn by doing I do not I got to goes, and then three more and then the Instagram thing happened, and if someone who was following me, you know, message me about two little twins with birth defects. And I said why not so they were my first special needs. And then someone saw that I did a special meaning, you know, goat. And they ended up, you know, having great success. And they asked me if I would take another one, and she has frostbite and it just kept happening. I had never had any intention of doing special needs. I never intended on being a rescue. But I just kept thinking to hopes and after a while I thought maybe I should, you know, actually, just go go for it and do this, and it all happened very naturally, very organically. And I learned a long way. Well, you know, you're very lucky because there are hundreds if not thousands. I'm sure there are thousands of people who have given up their job to rescue animals. Most of them. Don't have the BuzzFeed the Instagram the books to help them. It's a tough time for them. You were very blessed. And I'm sure you know, that what? And I have a little bit of marketing background. And you know, I I kinda knew a little bit about how to build, you know, social media following and and that's very important obviously for support. So, you know, and I love to take pictures, and that's that's part of it too. So is that what you would recommend people that are rescuing animals across the country is they get a very involved in their social media and lots of their social media following everything. Those are the people who you know, gauge with is all of their animals who want to see them succeed and who want to see you succeed support your mission. So yeah, that's that is everything. So this is your six book. Yeah. We started off at a photo book. And that was the first thing that we did. And that kind of total story about each of our though at the time, I think that I don't know we probably only have two or twenty and then we have a children's book series with four kids books, and it just tells, you know. That little stories one of them was telling their that costume and some little life lessons for kids. And then we've got people go to anarchy, which is more about how I got started. And, you know, built with the anarchy and hope some of the stories about, you know, some of the things that goats and things that I learned from them along the way. I'm gonna put links to the book over at the website animal radio dot pet. Peace love goats in anarchy. And I believe we have a few copies to giveaways. We do we have ten copies to give away toll free. Yeah. One eight six six four zero five eight four zero five goat lovers are. Just good story lovers. You know, what you've actually I was never kind of attached to goats until I read your first book or viewed your first picture book. I just started love goats that you made a lot of people love goats. And we do have is out to the farm every Saturday. We're not open to the public. But we do allow people to come in volunteer every Saturday they can sign up with volunteer coordinator. And we want people to come out and be able to meet the goats. And actually, you know, get to experience, you know, how they are. And one of the things that people always say every time is a champ believe that they're just like dogs they had individual personalities. They want affection they want attention. They wanna be hugged in live. And and so I think that's important. Everyone should go. Go go go. Meet a goat. Leeann thank you so much for sharing the goats with us today is spending time with us. Thanks so much for having me checkout goes to then aren't dot com and get in some of our favorite little guys report links to everything that leaves been talking about everything you've heard on the show today over at animal radio dot pet. It is amazing. How how that video appalling? The goat dressed up in the duck cost him that made her feel secure that how that. Linger. I will never forget that. So I was so glad you brought that up time for us to get on outta here. Remember, if you have a Yorkshire terrier a Shitsu a pug or Vinnie schnauzer checkout. Dr Debbie's books, how to be your dog's best friend. They are kindle books. And of course, we have links over at able radio dot pet to everything you've heard on today's show have yourself a great week. I is that something like a goat sheep. I think they sound alike. Don't they should not Gracie. Oh me. Yes. I gotta go you guys because I even going to try and talk row into maybe helping me with a greyhound rescue. Ooh, I like that idea. This is animal. Networks.

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Animal Radio Episode 1000

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Animal Radio Episode 1000

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Was this thing on it cleared my throat, it is animal radio. We are celebrating the connection with your pets. You can call us toll free one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five we're all just a little discombobulated. We've all just run into the studio just now and Dr Debbie running in from a what was it a bird, grooming? You still have feathers on you. Do I see my feathers oral flit or here? Yes yet. My good friend hasn't clicked this parrot. I think you've seen photos of me with Kiwi sitting on my head. I have as he's a beautiful bird like iridescent green with what I call. The candy corn beak. So he's got a kind of yellow and orange beak that resembles a piece of candy corn. So he is just a startling beautiful fella. And so yeah, he comes into see me from time to time. Does it take to groom him? Well, that is all depends on what particular owner wants. But a lot of birds their nails will need to be trimmed down. So we use adrenals. So he's a little kind of grinding tool to grind down his nail. So they're more comfortable. So that when he kind of, you know, walks over his humans than he doesn't hurt them. And then his beak does have a tendency to grow out in kind of overgrowth. So we do trim that back for him. So he can eat consistently and and be more comfortable with that as well. And then sometimes he, you know, he gets them wing trimming too. But most of it is Neil and be related work. He's all cool without he lets you do that the drama little he he talks to me. But we've been doing this for I don't know a decade or more. So. Yeah. In in birds don't love to be restrained. That's the thing that, you know, most pet owners are like, oh, he'll bite you know, any bird will buy when you try to put a grinding. Tool to their foot. So we do use them along their beak to. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds crazy. But yeah, you know, me I can't operate a piece of machinery around the house. Give me anything like home repair. Keep the drills away from me. But I dreamt will you know, animal nails. So that's the my limitation on power tools there. Okay. If you want to talk to Dr Debbie drummers like nobody's business. Whether it's your parents or your cat your dog. Whatever animal you have toll free one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five or you can ask from the free animal radio app for iphone, Android, and blackberry. And at the bottom of the hour. We check the animal news, miss Lorie Brooks. What do you have coming up? Well, there was an article recently in veterinary magazine that was published about CBD oil and some of the vets got really upset about it saying, hey, wait a second. So we're going to tell you what their rebuttal was to this list of the supposed latest greatest as you would say. Hey, how CBD oils for your pets? And what the experts have to say about that. Okay. That is on the way. I it's about you. And we'll we'll get to all these lines. So hang tight if it's ringing just keep letting ring. Hey there how you doing Glen define just fine. What's going on with your animals? You have a dog or cat. No. I'm just got a dog big old. Jay what's wrong with Jan? You know, just started out. He he was always hungry, and he's huge so found out had five Royd problems. So we've put him on fibroid medicine, then all of a sudden he just started losing weight like it was just fallen off. I'm I thought about like two now three weeks. And then he started drinking a lot of water vault. Many right? Something wrong so talking back. Yes, what these diabetics? But now he's taking forty five units twice a day of insulin and just wages seem to level off at about eighty eight to ninety his water consumption down. But then he started getting this growth around his penis. And I thought you know, how some bugs have those knots at the base where they they copulate. They get bang whatever I thought it was well hunting it's big as a grapefruit now. It's real soft and spongy. He's got one on his left hip. Okay. He's got one on a small one on his chest. He's got a small one on his ear now when he was about a year old. He got shot. Some duck shot shoddy wanted to gun and it has still got fifty fifty two fifty two pellets Dylan his body in the lower half from his loans back to his rear. Now. I don't know if his body is starting to grow fanny bodies around some of the pellets what's going on. But anyway, we got an straight y'all going on. And now he looks his starting he'll cough once in a while. And I mean this like he's trying to clear his throat. And then the thing is not me concerned. The most is if he's laying down he's not comfortable, then he moves over to another place. And he lays down any he'll get up and move. Again, you get up move again. And then every time he moves sort of walls around he moans and groans. And he's starting to moan and groan more often. And and and I told my mother I look at it. They've been outside. He's sitting there panting. So usually when the animal sitting there panting, he source or is hurting or something's going on. I have met him X rave head to toe had his blood wrong. I spent about three to four grand on it this year. I don't know what to do. And I I just feel like something is not right. And I don't want to do something. And then find out. Oh, we'll how'd you done this earlier, you know, he'd be okay. So. I'll tell you something else. He's never done. He now sleeps on his back. When he does get comfortable seems to roll splatter on his back those legs straight up in the air, and he'll lay like, you know, sprawled out that way, he's never done that you've been that's a pop and he just started doing that recently. If you Glenn give some Glenn I want to ask you some questions about his breathing. Does he do coughing or does he make any kind of loud sounds while? He's actually taking Air Inter out the only thing he does. But so another go and the only does I don't know once maybe twice a day. And he doesn't do it. Constantly in a row. He'll do it. Like once and he'll go. And it's like a real deep guttural grunt and trying to clear his throat. Sometimes I noticed that everybody drinks water. And sometimes I noticed when mama gives it wanted him dry milk bone. She gives him once in a while. You kind of auditees going on and the general thing that that I think that I can answer for us that when we have a pet that is uncomfortable. Seems restless is vocalizing in any way, and their behaviors are changed in a pattern that there have not normally done to me that says there's something going on and whether it's pain discomfort or feeling ill at ease. There's there's something that he's telling us those going on the first thing I would want to do is make sure that our diabetes is well controlled. And we do that by checking things like a blood sugar curve and a test called fructose Amina in making sure that that's all up to par. But assuming that everything is okay with his diabetes. There's still other things that we would be on the watch for. So whether we're dealing with something of a pain arthritic pain, we also can see some problems in in labradors, particularly where they can have a condition called Lorenzo paralysis. And. That can affect their swallowing, and breathing and it can cause them to have some harsh sounds, and sometimes they'll actually kind of I wanna say choker gag on things. But it can kind of sound. That's what it sounds like why wants to remove you'll and it's. Hell it sounds like a human. Yeah. So that might be something to raise that question with your veterinarian and say, hey, you know, you know, for me I'd like to look at the chest x rays. Make sure we don't see any evidence seventy infection that might be setting in because we have problems swallowing in pets with that condition can actually get food and water into their lungs and get pneumonia. So it is something that we would want to try to figure out if that is on the table or not beyond that, you know, you mentioned some things with a lumps and bumps and especially if we've got some sizable ones, they would be things that I would look into and make sure they have been sampled if they are like the typical labrador problems there labradors are little fat factories in their prone to getting some pretty extensive we call life Homa's. So they can get big as a basketball believe it or not. But the important thing is, you know, have your veterinarian check that and see if that is the case if it's not then that could be part of our problem as far as with his. Discomfort or having other affects elsewhere in the body from you know, those those larger lumps in masses that he's having. A little worried about that much. But that one back your by his penis. And I mean when he's on his back flat out, you can take both your hands and reach down there in hold it almost like a grapefruit. And that that has bigger and I'm thinking should I don't like a dog like any animal cuddles unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm descent point, should I have that removed or not Glenn? I'm going to tell you if you walk into my office with something the size of the grapefruit dangling off your dog. I'm going to at least want to test it. So, you know, before you jump into the idea of surgery, I'd say, you know, ask your veterinarian to just do a needle biopsy on it and get an idea what it is. And that can be done without anesthesia yet needle stick a needle in every day. I'm one of these laws. You did. Okay. They're just they're just fatty wise. Okay. So they just fatty too. But I just I've had a one hundred dollars in my fourth lab, and I've never had any problems like this. It sounds like at his young age. He's already got quite a bit going on there. So it all started out, he's allergic to chicken, new allergic to some grasses and some other stuff. Holy cow. And he's a hell of a doll. He was raised for specialties autistic children, his his his vocabulary is unbelievable when it comes to Belgium. I mean, his the cab is way up there, far go get this go get that. You'll be this don't do that you like them or mother said if he could talk believe he talked to you. I don't know. I'm just concerned. I I just. And. Style cancer. And so I quit doing the heart worm feels the only thing I give him is next guard for fleets. I don't disa research when all this crap dumping in the dogs. I saw I'm not going to advocate, anybody stopped their heart worm preventative because hurt room diseases fatal. And that that in itself is a killer. And I I can't tell you how many animals are positive in certain parts of the country at any given moment, and it is a very real disease. So do wanna make sure you do something for her room preventative. So that's a totally different subject. We won't go there. But I would definitely stay for. You Glen that I would advise, you know, asking about the Lorenzo paralysis situation, then just really have a hard hard about you know, what kind of pain management. Do we need to consider for him for the long term toll free one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five to reach out to Dr Debbie. You're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Hi Randy Travis here. And you're listening to animal radio. The black cloud sound dot af one headset have a built in FM receiver with dul dynamic drivers, and customizable, E Q and sound effects settings. They're capable of delivering beautiful sound. 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We'll tell you why you should and will actually give out test. Awesome. Our it's about times about time. And we're going to go to the phones in just a couple of seconds where it's also about time. And then in about ten minutes, we're going to do a check of the news with miss Lorie Brooks. What do you have for this hour got an interesting story? And from what you would think is a trusted medical source about CBD products for your pets. Yeah. So we're gonna talk with. Dr Gebbie about this this article that some veterinarians went, hey, wait. I, you know, I I don't agree with that. We're going to find out more this CBD stuff. Just will not go away. So confused hit is confusing. Some more details on the way. We'll either give you information or just confuse you more the more. You know? Okay. Let's go. No. You don't know. One eight six six four zero five eight four zero five, Cathy. I understand you want to talk to Dr Debbie. So I'm not gonna waste any time. She's right here. Hi there. Hey, how you doing? I'm doing super what kind of pet question. You got today for me. Well, I hope you can answer this firm because I've had my little doggy to the vet and Houston stated and everything the problem. I'm having with their is she looks like she's been heat. Invent tip some tests, it's not cancer and her her Little Brown spec by private parts are all slowing up to. And you know, what it calls us? We'll yeah. A couple of different things. But I got a couple questions for you there. I now you said she was spayed. How old was she? When she was fade. Here's type up three to four month. Okay. And with the current signs that she's doing right now. How long have sapping going on? Well, okay. When I took it should've had been going on about a week, and that's three weeks live right at three weeks, the slowing inner private parts of gone down just a little bit. But not much and she looks a lot like she in. Okay. All righty. There's there's two big categories for a young dog that has been spayed. That's having signs of being in heat whether breast tissue their nipples getting big the vaginal area, swelling. If we're seeing that in an older dog I start talking about a lot of other health conditions tumors. Adrenal gland problems, but in a young dog, there's two categories that. I would look at one would be the possibility that we could have some extra ovarian tissue somewhere still in her abdomen. Sometimes it happens as a kind of freaky occurrence where there's extra tissue somewhere. Sometimes it happens because there's a little bit left behind when the pedestal aid. And if that still is behind that tissue produces those same hormones of when they're in heat, and we could see those same changes externally as a response to that. So that is a possibility the other possibility which increasingly is on our minds. Now is that women who use hormone replacement? Therapy further menopause signs. There's a lot of different forms that are in use phrase jowls different topical creams when a woman is using those in the household, and they have animals there is the potential by casual contact alone that that can affect the pets, and it can actually create signs of being in heat believe it or not male dogs can even have some issues as well. So I would definitely want to ask you as far as if there's any possibility, and he went in the home is using any of those kind of products not that I know of not that I know. Okay. And because that is definitely one that I can tell you. I've done extensive testing on pets to try to figure out the cause of a reoccurrence of heat signs. And a lotta times that is just seems to be making the news. A lot recently about them. Really? Is it really is? And you know, it doesn't even have to be that a dog licks it off the area that's treated, this is just casual contact from the woman. Who's got it on her skin in just touching the pet or having the pet even cuddle with her? So so yeah. Something to keep on your radars. Ladies if you use that now in your situation, if we don't feel that there's any possible hormone replacement issue in the household, then I might really say, let's let's talk about watching to see if if this is true heat cycle pets who have ovarian remnants little bits of ovarian ovarian tissue still behind. If they go into cycles, they tend to have actual heat cycle. So it may be present. Like normally would for heat go away. And then come back again, six months later, if you have that type of cycle, that's pretty indicative in my mind that we need to go in and explore and look and see if there's any ovarian tissue still inside there. And you know, your vet may be able to if they're the ones who perform the surgery, you know, they may be the best to ask about that. But in my office, if that ever happens that something that I definitely. We would you know, entertain that possibility we're all human in. You know, those kind of things can happen as well. As some weird situations, I've had were pets have had extra ovarian tissue that's actually in other areas of the abdomen. So if your pet showing signs right now, that's definitely something that that's the time to address that end to actually go in and explore. The heat cycle is every six months is what you're telling me. I'm learning. Something new. No, I think you're just listening now how that's all. This survey. Debatable radio is brought to you by the grain free red barn. Naturals canned food for dogs and cats always made in the USA with natural functional ingredients to support your pets optimal health, you can learn more at red Barney dot com and thanks red barn for underwriting animal radio. You're listening to animal radio hall the dream team. Now at one eight six six zero five eight four zero five. That's my dog. Annie, she's healthy now. But recently, she broke her leg, and I had to rush her to the vet, thankfully, she's protected by embraced pen insurance. They covered her surgery and reimburse the clean quickly embrace offers one simple plan for unexpected accidents and illnesses that you can personalize to fit your budget to learn more. Visit embrace pen insurance dot com to get a free quote policies. Underwritten by licensed insurer of American modern insurance group coverage subject to policy, terms and conditions. Visit embrace bed insurance dot com. For coverage. Details by the NBA Alec on animal radio. Please adopt a pet. This is an animal radio news update. I'm Laurie Brooks in England. A woman who climbed a tree to rescue her cat. Well, she ended up having to be saved by firefighters herself. Because she also became stuck in the tree. So she's up in the tree. Good thing. She had her phone with their because she called her husband who was at work. And you know, he comes home reece's home. Can you imagine that phone call a Honey yesteryear with I'm stuck in a tree? Lucy. So he calls the fire department, and she was second that tree for forty five minutes between twelve and fifteen feet up in the tree little bit higher than you'd want to jump down. So forty five minutes later firefighters eventually get there and they help her down with the ladder. She said she was trying to get to her cat hairy who had been missing for three days. And then she finally heard these really faint meows and it came from a neighbor's tree. So here's your cat that you haven't seen. You thought was missing. And luckily, she was in her young thirties. So she raced up the tree and got stuck. But she is adopted Harry less than two months before that happened. So I think they're bonded forever now. So wait a minute did Harry get down to to the firefighters firefighters saved Harry. That's a good story. Forever though. Isn't it? Sure. The website for the magazine American veterinarian recently reported on shared rave dot com. List of the best CBD oils for pets. However, when they publish this not all of the vets who read this site or magazine agreed with them. And and truthfully they thought the article was was lacking kind of you're responsible in many ways. So they allowed a rebuttal article from this prominent veterinary CBD expert who said that he would indeed recommend some of the products that were on that list. But he said that parents need to be really cautious. You can't just go by a list, and especially a list that is not compiled by veterinary professional. So here are his tips when considering CBD products for your pets, and we've talked about this before, but it's so important, and if you know, a friend who is maybe considering. CBD for the pet. This is something you want to remember and share with them any company selling CBD products should be able to provide a COO a or a certificate of analysis for each product that they sell and when requesting ZOA ask whether it is for the raw extract or for the finished product because for the finished product is what you're going to be using on your pet. And of course, the most important COA comes from. Yes. The final product with a batch number on it that matches the product that you purchased and different company refuses to provide you with a certificate of analysis. Walkaway you may beginning, you know, if they're not going to provide it to you. You're probably getting something substandard or something maybe to potent that could really do harm the number two thing. He said the important things to look for in that certificate of analysis. The cannabinoid profile which tells you the amount. And concentration of each of the different cannabinoid center found in that product, the elemental analysis on it will tell you. If there were any heavy metals that were present in the product also a pesticide in fungi side analysis should be on there because it's going to tell you if there's any toxic chemicals and also the final one, a bacterial microbe and mycotoxin testing should be on the results of it should be on that certificate of analysis because it indicates whether the product has any bacteria or pathogens that could make your pet really sick. And it's also very important to understand whether the product is federally legal hemp or a federally illegal marijuana based products because those products require extreme caution when you're Josephine them because they could contain potentially higher levels of t h see that's the molecule that gets you high and Dr Debbie THC tux. This ity can happen in animals, right? Oh it. Sure. Can. Yeah. There. There's so much to know about Batty. They really is. And that thing I think that's so frustrating being in the veterinary world is that there are so many of these different products that are out there and just because they have a pretty picture of an animal on it. And they say for pets doesn't mean it's been something that's really been vetted. If you will so in in the important lesson is we really do not have anyone that oversees the safety of it. So the COO as a great idea. But there is no body that any of these companies have to report to to say, I'm following the rules. So it really is the buyer beware. And you know, does this whole list in the sharing of the list is just silly. It's like, you know, putting a list out seeing, you know, my favorite state to travel in only been to some states. You know, it's ridiculous. They really didn't look at the the veterinary research that's going at a couple of the vet schools. And so sorry. We'll get me going on. I want to talk about this. Because after reading it another thing that he said, and I want to get your input on this is he said that none of the companies cited by the rave reviews as being the best conducted in a scientific studies to verify all of this information. And he added that the rave reviews glaringly ignored. And we talk about these all the time those two critical studies in dogs that were gonna Colorado state in Cornell university's saying both universities. If you haven't heard about these they used a product that is with a very specific, shall we say CBD and Turpin profile, and if the product that was tested, I went around and founded it's called LV, mobility, when you hear that, you know, the dog is helped by CBD, it's because of these studies at Colorado state and Cornell, but those studies used this LV product have you tried that Dr Debbie? No, I. You know, as a veterinarian, you know, we cannot prescribe a federally legal drug and has the problem that in she'll there can be some federal oversight on a body that can oversee this to slap the hand of people that are doing things wrong, and then to have testing, and validation that is what you know, really in the infancy right now with these particular veterinary schools, and until there is that outside agency that can do the testing then the companies can then submit products, but unless you know, the testing isn't open to the general markets, so that that's really it's you know, we're at a standstill because of the legislation and the sure so as you're really not allowed to prescribe it or suggest the use of it. But you can answer questions about it. Is that when I'm understand? Yeah. With limitations. So you know, I can new more prescribe CBD for. A pet than I can cocaine. It's you know, in the eyes of the federal government. They are both different scheduled drugs that have new deemed medical basis of any value. So until that kind of statement gets changed veterinarians we'll be in this kind of precarious position where we'd love to help people with different opportunities in different products. But we really until we see the testing and the standardization, you know, it's it's walking a fine line. Now, there are vets that do prescribe this. They are practicing illegally. Is that correct is is far as we cannot sell the products in our office in some states, like California, they can certainly talk about it. If the topic is brought up to him how dance around that. I don't know. But it isn't something that is supposed to be discussed voluntarily on the veterinary side in my state. Well, you know, like you said, Dr w. You wanna help people and you want to give him answer. So my thinking on this was that if this one product Elvin mobility. Not that. No. It's not a sponsor, and I've never even talked to them. But I'm I love to research this stuff because if I'm gonna give something to my Pat, I'm going to give them the best in there. So many people out there who were already giving CBD? It seems to me that this is the only product that has been tested. It is currently being tested. It's currently being tested. So I think that's still the answers are still in the works on that that see the confusing world of CBD products. Yes, whenever we have these CBD discussions rolling. Dr Debbie has to be here or let's go see Dr Tevi because it's so confusing. And I love that you validate that for us because it, you know, you just think my ever gonna learn all this, but I guess someday it will be normal. But overall, the best advice, I guess remain cautious and ask questions, I'm Laurie perks. Get more breaking animal news anytime at animal radio dot com. This has been an animal radio news update. Get more at animal radio dot com. Hi, everybody. 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Because we wanted to know what he was partly for behavior, and it answered a lot of questions and then partly also for health risks. You know, just kind of you know, we you'll be surprised how many animal enthusiast in veterinary professionals get it wrong. You know, we base our opinions off of hair code in body type. And it doesn't always work that way. So it it does help to have some DNA testing. It certainly does. And we've asked these in the past we've had many DNA people on who've really done tests on dogs. And we've asked them if they do anything on cats, and they said, no, well, there's really no genome more data bake for that as of yet. So this today comes across my desk. The world's first ever cat- DNA test, and we get from base pause. The company that's put this together. The CEO Anna sky is joining us. Hi, anna. How you doing? Hi, guys. Thank you for having me on the show. Oh by all means. So now, you're doing a DNA test for cats didn't realize there was so many. I know there's Siamese cats and there's tortoiseshell cats. I didn't realize there was so many breeds that finding out which breed we had really made a difference. I think lady I think Nike's just like what they call him a domestic short distance domestic short hair. Yeah. But how many breeds are there? There's actually depending on who you ask, of course. So there's over sixty different breeds CAD. But most of our cats, your cat and Mike Catt. Of course, are you know, mixed breed. There's very few cats are pure bred in the world. I would I think the last number. I read is ninety five percents are mixed breed domestic shorthair. But it does not mean that they are all the same domestic short hairs are. Some of them are closer to some breeds than others. I have a domestic short hair that I wanna find out information about and you have this DNA test. What is the DNA tests going to tell me, sir? So let's just take a quick step back. So cats have lived with humans for such a long time. But really haven't gone through any selective. Breeding until really recently. This is why it's so hard to compare what you just mentioned dog today. Nate to DNA tests cats are all roughly mixed in similar to each other so ancestry as we know it as we know it in dogs, and humans does not exist for cats. It only makes sense for cats descendant for pure bred cats, which isn't the case for most of our cats, your cag-, domestic short hair, we will be able to take DNA and compare it to a fairly large panel of pure bred cats, and we can say to you. You know, you're kitty is mixed breed. But it has traits on its Gino has traits. We look at all the nineteen chromosomes of the cat. We can tell you. These traits match to DC breeds and your cat is closer to some breeds than others. But it they know means means eight history. It doesn't mean a came from pure breath. It just means. That it's similar to them. And what what what this information? How will it serve me? So knowing the breed of your cat. I think is really important number one. It connects you to the cat better. You get to know it a little bit better. All of a sudden, you know, this kitty it lives at your home. It's in into bed Easter food, and you know, very little about it, especially if you adopted it from from a shelter. All of a sudden, you know, it's got some traits of amid coup and has got some traits of a Persian. And ultimately, what baseball's is doing is. We wanna be able to give you health recommendations and look at health markers. And like, you said earlier, you know, cats they're underfunded under studied, we know. So little about them, science wise. It's time to get to know them better. So we have a test here. And I know that Judy you wanted to try this on Nike, but I. I'd like to give that to a listener to try do you want to do that? Okay. And so we did this kit in the mail. So how do we get the kit? First of all. So you go on our website, they spas dot com. You purchase a kit off the side. It's a very typical your DNA standard kit until cute little box. It's got a swab inside for the first two years of the company's life. We collected DNA through. I we would send you these a piece of strips of tape, and you put it on the cat, and you just kind of whisk it off a little kitty as it can imagine a cat's totally fine. With a pet owners kept parents not fine with it. So we've recently switched to the swab. So just take a little swab you kind of swirl it in their in their cheek pouch. And that's your DNA in my hand is a test tube container with the cheek swab sticking out, and I'm going to take this cheek swab and rub it around in a in my cat's mouth is that. Correct. Correct. And then I'm going to put the swap back into the test tube and shake it up is that correct? Correct. And then I mail that to you how long does it take from that point? So once we get it in our laboratory here in Los Angeles. It takes between eight to ten weeks for you to get your I report, and your I report will do this breakdown of the chromosomes, and we'll give you the traits, and we'll tell you these are the breeds that are closest to your cat. But like with Amy genetic test, the more data, we have the better the results will get. So once he participate once remember Denia does not change. It's the same since birth. The the reports will continue to get better. And better and better. Okay. I'm gonna give this one away. Judy toll free one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Now, here's the caveat. If you'd like to find out what breed your cat is. We'll send this to you. But you need to do the work you need to do the the cotton swab in their mouth, so hopefully, you can do that. And then you're going to have to call back, and let us know what? You found out from base Pau. So that's the caveat. If you want that one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five right now, and the website again is base. Pause dot com. This spell B S E P A W S dot com. Hopefully, talk to you again soon. That's awesome. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Well, this portion of animal radio is underwritten by embrace pet insurance providing knows detail accident and illness coverage for your dog or cat. It can be customized to fit your budget and needs simply take your dog or cat to any vet submit a claim form and get reimbursed. Quickly. Learn more at embrace pet insurance dot com to get a quote and thanks him brace for underwriting animal radio. You're listening to animal radio. If you missed any part of today's show, visit us at animal radio dot com or download the animal radio app for iphone and Android. Do you travel with your dog? Of course, my pets are part of our family me too. I take daisy with me everywhere. Right. Daisy. So how do you find out what hotels? Welcome your dawn. I read Fido friendly, the traveling lifestyle magazine for you and your dog sounds perfect for planning our next -cation. Right. Daisy. It is their motto is leave no dog behind and they have great hotel in destination reviews. Where can I find the magazine? Go online to Fido friendly dot com. I will for sure come on easy. We're off to find our next adventure. Celebrating the connection with our pets. This has animal radio featuring your dream team. Veterinarian Dr Debbie, white and groomer joy Villani and hear your host Hal Abramson Judy Francis. The one thing I really love about this show is talking to you in talking to our guests are expert guests who sometimes are a little off base whacky or just fun altogether. And this hour guarantee. Dr Norman, Gary he will be a lot of fun. He is a honeybee hobbyist. He actually has a degree in agriculture, which is the scientific study in management of honeybees. Besides studying bees, he's also a musician plays clarinet, and he has trained bees for eighteen movies and television commercials and shows training Bs. I don't know for union beef. I have no clue. You know, I know that actors human actors are pretty temperamental. If you haven't we can you imagine working with a B on a set. Yes. He also holds a couple of Guinness world records for beasts stunts. So he's going to be a lot of fun. He'll be at the end of this hour and between now and then we'll talk to you at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five and you're working on news over there in the play chal animal radio newsroom studios. What do you got going on? Of a different one. We'll tell you at what airports around the country. You can find therapy. Pigs roaming around or therapy, miniature horses, they're becoming more and more common. I I understand over a dozen major airports have them. Now, I've not seen was cool is these are not passengers therapy pets, or whatever they say or claim they are these are animals that the airport has or contracts with somebody to bring in to ease your fears and anxiety about flying. So I I would love to see the pig in the mini horses. But we'll tell you where you can find good that is on the way. Let's go to line four pepper. What a pretty name heparin. Schnauzer? Well, that's the person's name. Oh, it's the person. All right. Well ruins that high pepper. How are you? I'm fine. And I wanna tell you. Thank you so much for taking my call, of course with the such a pretty name. How did you get the name pepper? I eat about five gallon jar full opinion peppers the week. Can't you kill name? Sue the dog likes him too. Now, you don't have a regular name for the dog to you named him casper because he's white Kennedy now. Okay. Let's go down. We've casper there. Well, I have two dogs one is and one is of the Sean casper. I had casper for about two years, and I was making his own dog food, which was ground Turkey Brown line and fight a bag of frozen vegetables. And put it in there and everything was going fine. I'm I'm an over the road truck driver. Let me tell you that. I and all of a sudden he started getting like bladder infection kidney infection one right after another right after another. And I mean, it's not that I'm not taking him out and walking him. It's not that. I'm that letting him walk long enough. I mean, every come I would go to bed it'd be like three hundred and fifty four hundred fifty dollars while they try to track. This thing down they treated they even went as far as to give me. Me a prescription take a Walgreens because he had to be on antibiotics for so long one time. And then he started chewing it pause, and it's caused turn real pinkish looking around his mouth real pinkish looking and they need at another bladder and take them back to the vet. She's well, she goes this just isn't right now. This is when we were home just about every weekend, but she did some investigating and she told me she said he needs to go. He's got a cocaine problem assimilating focusing. And we need to put him on the urinary ISO. Well, I've got him on that. But I was just wondering if there is. Another alternative to this dog. Big for vegetable. For vegetable he'd love vegetables. Right. Listen, he loves I'll opinion peppers any kind of vegetable that you will give him. Well, hey, I want to back up for a minute because you said with casper that he was having a lot of issues. Do they put him on that food because they determined? He had types of bladder stones. She didn't say bladder stone. She just said he had a problem assimilating protein. Okay. Okay. Just because when I hear about a Bichon n- who's having problems in the urinary nature. They're amrried very prone to bladder stones and particularly calcium oxalate based a bladder stones. So one of the methods to deal with that as we will try a low protein diet and the s o type food if that's the one that you're talking about the by me by Royal Canaan that is appropriate for that kind of dog that has those kind of urinary issues, and it is a loop protein food. So that's somehow related to his previous signs, then I would definitely endorse that prescription basically for you. And. Problem. Well, there you go. Then it's doing something. At least, I'm speculating Maffei. They changed. Our our company has changed around. And I mean, sometimes it's anywhere from two to four months before we get home, and they changed it going down the road. And I realized this is the prescription dog food and it's hard for me to get. Now. I am going home next weekend. And I do have a couple of cans and some drive it is gonna make it home. But is there if I get in a bind is there anything else? The trick is and there's probably some things that we can use short-term retreat foods that would be appropriate for a dog on this food. But I'm going to say it's a little hard to just pick a food that we're going to be able to substitute because this is therapeutic food. It is basically gearing the urine into a certain environment. So we can hopefully prevent those problems. Now, the Arsim treats that we can do before even get they are was going to say at least at my office in many veterinary offices around the country. They may have the option to order online for these prescription foods and to have those to your home. So that might be something we do that through something called pet portal. So my clients can have that ship to their front door. So that they don't run out of this regular food. Visit because it is real. My only like ten miles from me. And the problem is getting to to my home sitting now that we're out of here on the rose. Okay. Well, the the things that we would definitely want to avoid as you mentioned a lot of the different meet things. Many of those we will want to avoid the things we climb in us in a pinch for that's on a diet. Like S O would be a a we can use eggs or chicken too. But we stay away from, you know, a lot of the heavier meats in mentioned vegetables and fruits, and so there are some fruits and vegetables, we can use that appropriate along with this diet. I'll often recommend the nana's melons green peas Calif lower those kind of foods would be appropriate. And again, it's kind of. He even ate Turnham green. So, you know, some of those foods might not be Vande thing. But I would hate for you to be out on the road and rely on those food items as your main source of a diet. So I think the large bag the super large bag, and I'm going out. Probably about thirty pounds on the trucks won't be out that it just caught me unaware this time. Yeah. Solution than I might recommend in we use the solution for folks around us that travel is you can ask your veterinarian for either prescription card or a written prescription for that food. And if you're heading through another community, and if you have a written prescription for that food, you may very well be able to buy that at a veterinary office, but you can't just go in and say, hey, I need that SO food most places will say, we're not comfortable. So in that to you unless we knew we need this for your pet. So that might be another kind of little trick to try a shot pepper. One eight six six four zero five eight four zero five to connect with any one of the dream team right now, Brenda. How are you? Where are you today? New mexico. Okay. How can we help? You got the good doctor right here. Hello, my candidates, looking her side and her hair. She's like in your hair off. One side. The center of it just about the six inch strip, okay. On the on the right or the left side of her body or both sets just one side. It's just one side. Okay. In hell again issue. Cling twelve and fourteen. Okay. So she's an older gallon. How's everything else with the rest of her health? Is there anything else going on currently now? You'll play full. Well, when I have an older kiddie, that's displaying signs of grooming in an unusual spotlight. This if a little less common that we start looking at things like allergies and skin disease. I actually start to go looking for some of the more internal problems in a lot of these cases, I can actually find that a cat might be displaying signs of pain something going wrong internally. So I will check xrays a lot of times. I'll find things like bladder stones or arthritis, and these type of things can cause them to groom on the surface in a way to react to some more inner pain and discomfort that they're having. So that would definitely be something that I would look at and some older cats also with some different types of hormone problems. We can see problems with kidney disease liver disease, diabetes, some of those where we can even see some types of skin problems and manifestations of that. So it would probably be something that if I had her here right now. Pull up my nice big needle and syringe and draw some blood and get those x-rays and take a good look. Because in many cases, you know. It's kind of the katie's way of talent us that. You know? Hey, I'm not right. There's something going on inside. And we definitely would wanna go searching along that avenue, and is far as it should also ask if she's on any medicines of any sort currently now no issue the only Katie in your household here. I had him on a food for of urinary tract infection in of. Okay. So she's not necessarily had a problem with before. Then. No that wasn't. Why put him on house her? It was another one. Yeah. Yeah. But I would say that's gonna be my first thing in, and of course, if you're in an area where we talk about fleas as always we look over the the rump of the tail area right above the the tail base area, and that's a common side for site for fleas. But you know, I just I think that she's trying to tell us something, and I wouldn't hesitate to go look in there and see what we can figure out from the inside out if you will. I'm for the vet brave. Thank you very much. We'll this sweet-smelling portion of animal radio is underwritten by Schmidt's naturals, smell seriously, amazing support animal conservation with Schmidt's special edition lily of the valley, natural Yoder, and it was created in collaboration with the Jane Goodall institute in five percent of each purchase supports animals in the wild. You could learn moreover at Schmitz dot com and thanks mitzvah for underwriting animal radio. Something worth saving by sandy. Ward is touching funny exploration of family life as told by a highly perceptive and outspoken narrator name lily who happens to be a cat Vilis of fiercely loyal friend to our humid. So when things start happening in her family, she's ready to step up and prove that she may be tiny. But she's also mighty something worth saving will make you a believer in the deep connection between humans and their furry friends. Pick up a copy of something. We're saving today everywhere. Books are sold and visit Cindy ward books dot com for more info. And now an animal radio news brief I'm Stacey Cohan fort in more radio. Well, do you ever yawn? And then somebody next to jahns contagious yawns may not be unique just to humans. They did a Japanese study, and it was published in the journal ploughs, and it shows that dogs tend to yawn after a person yawns, researchers also found that dogs are more likely to yawn after a human if that person is their owner. The study author Teresa Romero says that the research shows contagious yawning in dogs is emotionally connected in a way that similar to humans while they weren't able to determine the exact reason that Doug's mimic yawns, they were able to rule out that it was a type of distress response to seeing a strange human face while many of the dogs repeatedly followed their owners in yawning fourteen dogs did not yon at all. This has been an animal radio news briefs. Get more at animal radio dot pen. You're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Animal radio we hear about all kinds of animals. We hear about cats. We hear about dogs that are pets. What are those little flying monkey things? What do they call those? You know, the sugar going. Yes. Monkeys. Vase exactly monkeys. Well, we've had you know, what I was talking. You didn't know? I had no clue we've had owners of horses. Reindeer FOX's all kinds. How about bees honeybees? We've had a few people that raise honeybees on the show. I guess we've had in the past. There's been a few. That's a crazy crazy career, by the way. I wonder if you could have a B is a pet. Well, you might be able to I don't know how long they live. Dr Norman Gary will be joining us. He is this is his this is a stick APPA culture. Look it up. I had to look at. Do you ever heard that word before it's the study of honeybees they have their own culture word they do. And this guy were having on in the sixties. He was a bee Wrangler. He wrangled bees for television and movies. How interesting holds a couple of Guinness world records. And now he is eighty three. And he is a resident of citrus heights is that a assisted living. I don't know. I don't even know where that is unity in southern California is okay. He says he has to he had to give up his hobby beekeeping in two thousand fifteen because the equipment is too heavy to lift, but we're going to find out. I think he's still doing it. I think once a beekeeper I'll always be keeper. Yeah. I thought you'd have to run fast to be a beekeeper. No. This guy's been stung me. Now. It'd be a hazard of the business Schiller. He probably Guinness Book of world records, many times we start. Yeah. I don't think so fun guy. We'll talk to him and just a few minutes right here on animal radio. Hey, Greg, Harry you. Are you doing doing great? What's up in your world today? Just trying to get a hold of the doctor. Oh, she's right. She's right. I'm here. What can I do? I talked to the sport. Again, it was more. It was more of a. I beg cat in the truck. He can't like a lion or tiger. No, no, no, just a big cat. Full-sized cat. Whoops, everywhere on the truck. Okay. So you're traveling with your cat in in the truck with ya. Talk to you this morning, John. I think it was. Okay. So when you're traveling I like. I like your show, you guys do all the jobs. Thanks for listening. I want to know a little bit about your he's litterbox situation. When you're in the truck, so what kind of situation do you have for the kitty? Just a second. The second. Us. What don't find you? Are you driving? Are you driving at this at this time? Oh, careful. Please courage. You not to call us while you're driving. In some states. Anything's legal there. Jets come out to talk to you with the cat will talk. So is it is it taking a dump in a certain place everywhere anywhere in the bunk. Yeah. So am assuming you have a regular litter pan somewhere for the kitty, right? Ronald very mountain the desert onto. So no is the answer to that question. Right. Well, well, we to give the Katie a suitable litter pan site because otherwise he's going to pick the most favorable site and abetted area. Carpeted areas fabrics things like that are very appealing to cats. So I can't blame them. You know, there's probably the most comfortable spot to go. But we need to do is convince them that there's better places to go and make that spot a little bit more unfavorable for him. So I get make sure we get a nice big litter pan throws them literate make it in a comfortable stable spot inside the Cavs. So that, you know, we don't worry about it shifted with movement because that can be scary, especially for cats traveling. We wanna make sure that that is in a stable, comfortable place and then in the area where he's going in your bunk. I'd say I'd have a couple of remedies for you get some of that carpet runner and turn it upside down that plastic carpet runner put that over the bunk area. And that's just kind of a kind way to make that an unfavorable area for him to tread, and hopefully not go into Tedeschi Kate. There's other things you can use double sided tape. There's little scat Mets things like that the compressed air that goes off if he walks by it make that area unfavorable, and of course, you know, if you wanted to be comfortable move around on your bed, take those down. So that they're not going to be a deterrent for them to do those activities, but we really want to make sure that litter pan is suited. It's ready and that we make it favorable for him. So if you have to switch litter types experiment with things I will even sometimes for some cats. I will put a piece of carpet in there. They like on carpet. I'll give him a piece, but I'm going to ask them to do it in the litter pan. So find what works for your kitty here, and let's make comfy in there. Said bowed. You have what a tempurpedic bit that they're going to bet you something soft like that. Oh, what a shame. We lost him one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five that's that memory foam. Really try. They think it's like kitty litter or something like that. You're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. The following program is underwritten in part by Schmidt's naturals, smell seriously, amazing and support animal conservation with Schmidt's special edition believed the valley natural deodorant created in collaboration with the Jane Goodall institute. Five percent of each purchase goes to animals in the wild. Learn more and pick up your stick now at Schmitz dot com. This is an animal radio news update. I'm Laurie Brooks while many people enjoy the experience of traveling nut everyone a loves getting on an airplane. Only spend the next few hours, you know, cramped up in that tiny little space. But here's the good news. And you've probably noticed if you travel at all with the help of therapy pets that you don't even have to own you can be relaxed and feel more at ease before you board your flight because so many US airports now have their own therapy animal teams that roam the airports, for example, now, San Jose international airport. It was the first US airport to use therapy dogs right after nine eleven happened. And they now have twenty three dogs. The airport has these dogs who stroll around the terminals to interact with passengers at San Francisco International airport there you can get rid of your preflight nervousness with the help of Li Lu the first airport therapy pig, and she's a. Adorable. Sometimes she wears it Tutu, and she will help, you know, easier anxiety pains, and she's also the very first pet therapy pig for airports, the Dallas Fort Worth airport. They have a canine crew as they call them features twelfth therapy dogs, Miami has introduced its airport therapy animal program just last summer. So they've got a lot of their and in Denver. They have the canine airport therapy squad, which is also known as cats, and you think of God's, but they have more than one hundred dogs, but also one cat named Zely that make up their team of animal therapy friends in I think I may have to take a trip to Cincinnati or Kentucky because at the Cincinnati northern Kentucky international airport. There therapy animal is a miniature therapy horse, and they make visits to the airport. Twice a month. I could have really used one of these. I just took a five hour flight with a screaming baby. Wouldn't stop. Whole wages screaming loud and landed lungs on. When I got off that flight, I was so stressed if I had seen a pig in a two afterwards. Everything would be okay now, they would have helped, but really? Oh, well, the community in animal rescue fund of Mississippi. This is a sad story. I'm going to warn you. It's called Clara community in animal rescue fund of Mississippi. Now, they reported last week that they were going to have to kill all one hundred and twenty cats at their facility because of a feline virus outbreak in their cattery, which is now shut down permanently. But I get these feline viruses because there are many kind of like CBD there's a lot to know. But the virus which the cats are said to have been exposed to is called the collegiate virus? And it's a respiratory virus? Dr Debbie I had never heard of this before. Yeah. Did I lead a sheltered Catli for what are her? Funny gun collegiate is actually very common virus in. We commonly see it in the upper respiratory type infections, sue sneezing. I discharge those kind of symptoms and usually in I should say there's clearly fires has been around a long time. And it isn't always a. Horrible thing in that pets can recover from it pretty readily. But there is a more aggressive form of more virulent form that can lead to other symptoms, and those get include things that affected the other organs in the body can cause vascular which just kind of like, a bleeding in inflammation. So pets can actually have swelling all over their body. They can Slough skin, and so it can be fatal on its own in this aggressive form. But the thing that yeah. Is very confusing because Kalisa virus is actually it's it's kind of everywhere. And if I tested cats in night took four cats one out of four cats would actually be positive for Kalisa virus everywhere in the US. It's just out there. So it's not a simplest thing. Oh my gosh. We've got Clancy. Where'd this come from? It is out there. The variant form is what is unusual in. It's not that common. So I don't know if that's what this situation had. I prayed goodness. That's what they were dealing with. Because it would be reckless and other situations to say. We have to eliminate all caps that have you know, an upper respiratory infection. Now when we get our vaccinations for the shot for cats. We get the the F L P in the the F FIV in in those those, but I've never heard of Kalisa. So is that something that they can be vaccinated for the can be vaccinated for it in in our different strains of the vaccine. So it's not as simple as just saying that vaccination is because it really depends on what they're getting. And if you don't really know if akitas being vaccinated for it. It's really when they're kittens that it's going to be the most valuable so an adult cat later on you know, they may have already been exposed to it. So it's kind of like the. You know, the other the vaccine for children, and for never mind, I won't go there. So somebody gets a kitten. It's a good thing to get the Colegio virus vaccination, right? Yeah. It would be something that would be good. Now. It just depends 'cause they may already be exposed. And that's the thing is the IRA can come from an environment. So the particular variant Kalisa virus strain than I should say is it's not always just that so cats that get horribly sick from this aggressive form, there's often other things that play a factor. So it can be something like overcrowding which causes stress so by depopulating or adopting out healthier ones. We may be able to maintain a population in allow them to kind of naturally get over the course of infection. But other counts that have this could also have pan leucopenia, which is kitty distemper where they can have a herpes virus, which is another type of upper respiratory virus in cat. So it the more things that kind of complicated. The worst. Potential, and this is really the virulent form is really a major problem in shelter situations. It's rarely an issue for the individual home pets in less. You're a shelter worker. And you bring this home in infect your cats, which can happen. So I in say that it could have been a breach in protocol at the shelter. Yeah. But but still, you know, one in four cats has Kalisa virus? So it's not a simplest. Let's test all the cats and say, you're negative or positive, and you live or your die because it really doesn't always the testing can be complicated. We just simplify it that way, you know, what the more the more. I'm always looking for clarity on these things, and you help so much. Thank you. Dr debbie. The more. I learned the more. I realize I don't know. So it's kind of frustrating. So thank you so much for explaining sure, I'm Laurie Brooks. Give more breaking animal news anytime at animal radio dot com. This has been an animal radio news update. Get more at animal radio dot com. You're listening to animal radio. If you missed any part of today's show, visit us at animal radio dot com or download the animal radio app for iphone and Android. You're gonna love our next guest. Dr Norman Gerry is a. Fully is it degree in Kappa culture. Neither look this one up if the scientists scientific study of honeybees and the management of honeybees, did you know that Dr Debbie. Yeah. You did she ethical is is kind of a new area of veterinary medicine and even the conference I'm involved with you know, they look at adding in new speakers and contents in this realm, this Beezer animals, this is a pioneer in this. Because he started in the sixties. Also, he is a b Wrangler. He trained insects to perform in action scenes in movies and on television. How cool is that? What a job I wonder if they were union B's? He's also a musician, and I have a picture of him right here. I'll hold it up to the microphone playing a clarinet while he is covered in bees Andy holds two Guinness world records for be stunts. And we welcome to the show. Dr Norman, Gary so many questions. How are you doing doc? Fine. Thank you. Well, I guess the first question that comes to mind is you trained bees for the movies. How you do that? Well, I have to his one is by food reward. I make a artificial nectar out of sugar ship with a flavor they love that. And they will come to sources where that were offered. The second one is to put an attractive visa Ramon on my target, which can be anybody or anything and then to release disoriented be is near that target. And they they instinctively go to that fragments and they'll cluster all over the subject, whatever it is. Lear. Do you get be fair Mon I haven't seen it on the shelves at my pet store, and you won't. I did research for many years, and I had some specific compounds leftover after I retired. And so I just make up a a mixture of several chemicals that are known to be biologically active for is in it works beautifully. Perry when you were in this picture where you're playing the clarinet you aren't wearing a beekeeper suits. So you're wearing regular clothing with your skin expose how you're not getting stung. Well. A people don't understand these things bays will not sting you when they're away from the hive LSU actually forced him by squeezing doing something. Like, that exception being African is these there different. But so, but I I have these days in the locators two three pounds per Hagia release the minute transplant stage with covered roof, you know, glass and put some firm on my clothing and release these disoriented. These they cluster overmanned I did get stung now. And then if I make a mistake, for example, one crawls down, I open collar or something I supported exit portion this thing, but just don't think when they're waiting the hive, and this is something the general public doesn't stand. I understand we are with Dr Norman, Gary he is a honeybee hobbyist among other things. And I I think we all have questions for him. Stick around. Beep coming you know, what to do? 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He has a degree in agriculture, which is the scientific study in management of honeybees. See you learn something here on animal radio today. So you you got into Guinness world book of records for a couple of bee's stunts. What were those? Well, the first one was we were competing to see. How many these we could get clustered on a human being just standing there it worked beautifully? I think we ended up with around eighty seven pounds of bees on this person. The second one was trickier I trained these to come to food reward near her of is seated and after maybe two or collecting the artificial nectar unloading backup hive and returning for additional trips. Then I hid the foot reward and substituted at it'll spine with the same fragments in reward. And I put it inside my mouth, so hungry bees came back. They were circling like crazy and really cited looking for their they're missing food reward. So I just opened my mouth and gently exhaled and the wow within about ten seconds. My mouth was totally full Abe's lips. Yeah. I close my lips for the required ten seconds. And then we counted them on the way up and you'll never guess how many? I'm gonna guess forty three. I have a big mouse lady. One hundred and nine. Once Dr Gary talk about eighty seven pounds of bees on you. Wow. How many of these are there per pound between around three to four thousand per pound depending upon how much nectar or Honey they have little stomachs. They their weight can change thirty or forty percent if they load up on that liquid. Have you ever had a favorite be with they'd be a good pet? You know, do they recognize you? They these really don't recognize individual people, and they don't live very long only live about five to six weeks in the summertime. So you don't form that in may motionless hatch -ment to them that you would to your pet dog. Well, you have you. You're living in amazing life. You've done so many things. Besides the bees, you also have a band called the bee's knees. A Dixieland band is that correct. Yes, we I disbanded this several years back, but we spent many years performing at jazz festivals and retirement homes, and it was such a fun experience. We have we released two recordings the the the name bee's knees. Really caught on and there for a while. We were really number one on the list. Well, so now, you're not any longer beekeeping. Should I say is that what you say he keeping? Yes, your beekeeping. If you have one high remorse that that you take care of. And I I am still beekeeping. I've been to be keeping without a break for seventy years. Wow. And yeah, I started back in the late forty s when I was fifteen years old. So I've done everything flora be to be around. I you know, I had every kind of experience that's imaginable with these. I would imagine. So as a Representative of the bees, what would you say the message you'd like to give? Men's from the bees. Well, I would like to emphasize that these are highly beneficial to our society by way upon agricultural crops is actually enabled us to produce one third of the food that humans consume. So we should be thankful to the bees. And right now these are troubling. We heard about it. I'm sure pesticides parasites predators. Things are really diminishing their population. So there's a great interest in now by the general public and trying to help these where they can one way is just by educating yourself, and I I hope I can help out in that regard by making my my book known my honeybee hobbyist book that has just been published. It looks like a great book. I can't wait. I'll tell you. What happened is we got a copy here? And I you know, sometimes there's the very around here. It's called honeybee hobbyists the care and keeping a Bs and. Yeah, nothing here. Sure. That you request the second edition the one published and twenty nineteen. Why is there a first edition that is no good? Yes. I addition is is still good is just that. The second edition has a lot more has four more chapters that really really are interesting, especially something like urban keeping that's a hot topic these days it is. And you know, I have my sister does this. And I freaked me out frankly, because I'm caught up in that stereotype that everybody has where I'm afraid of bees that they're going to hurt me. But like you say you have to provoke them. They're only defending themselves when they sting you right here on barefoot when they're on a line flower, expect to get stung, you're you know, when you attack them don't they die after they lose their stinger. Is that true? Or is that myth? That's very true. But the irony. Here. And I don't understand what the big guy was thinking when this device that's used to protect. You actually kills you. Well, the honeybee calling contains thirty forty fifty fees and a half dozen sacrifice that live defensive in Interros colony than it's very worthwhile, biologically speaking. Okay. Taking one for the team is what you're saying. Okay. The book is called honeybee hobbyist. I have ten copies to give nine copies to give away right now. Toll-free at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five Dr Kerry, thanks so much for spending time with us today. Okay. It's time for us to get on outta here. So the next show can get on in here. If you missed any part of this show, listen at animal radio dot pet by Bye-bye. This is animal. Networks.

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1009. Finding Stolen Pets

"The following program is underwritten in part by Schmidt's naturals, smell seriously, amazing and support animal conservation with Schmidt's special edition lily of the valley natural deodorant created in collaboration with the Jane Goodall institute. Five percent of each purchase goes to animals in the wild. Learn more and pick up your stick now at Schmitz dot com. The following program is also underwritten in part by my dog. Anne, recently, broke her leg. Thankfully, she's protected by embrace pet insurance. Embrace offers one simple plan for unexpected accidents and illnesses to learn more. Visit embraced pet insurance dot com. Policies underwritten by licensed insurer of American modern insurance group coverage subject to policy, terms and conditions. Celebrating the connection with our pets. This is animal radio featuring veterinarian, Dr Debbie white groomer. Joey Villani news director Lorie Brooks. And now from the red barn studios. Here are your hosts pal Abrahams and Judy Francis. Thank you so much big guy that you might want to try a search, by the way coming up on today's show if you've ever lost your pets ever. And let's face it. We I have I in the studio. Never never lost a pet. Never lost a pen. Really? Yes. And I've had pets all my life or you have you ever lost a pet? I have I've had them dig out underneath offense. Okay. Okay. Escape doctor, Debbie away. And I had a separation anxiety Chow who jump through a window. Okay. So to pets at up for me because I've I've never had to go through that. Really? Yeah. I've been very fortunate. But okay. Okay. Well, I don't have as many animals as Lert either. And just because it's never happened to you doesn't mean it isn't going to happen to you. So true. We're going to talk to a lady today. This is her first interview on radio. In fact, I think this is her first interview altogether. Is that correct Judy? It is she's making herself she's coming out publicly, and the reason being is she finds lost and stolen pets. And apparently, she she the theft rings, don't like her very much, and so she feared a little bit for her life and her animals, and she really didn't want to become a public figure. She has told us that she will do her first radio interview with us today. And that's just a few minutes right here. We should be very honored what she's doing? She has a business that helps you find animals, and she uses social media resources like Facebook and Craigslist and all these resources to help find your pet if they're lost or stolen so stick around for that. And just a few minutes right here on animal radio. And we'll also go to the phones. One eight six. Six four zero five eight four zero five for your calls. Go ahead and call now Judy will get you queued up at the bottom of the hour. We do a news chat with miss Lorie. Brooks. What's up this hour found some fascinating new research about cats? And I I suppose it will absolutely shatter. What has always been mine? And I think it's your belief. How that that cats always go to the one in the room who doesn't like cats? Yeah. Does research cats aren't as aloof as you think? We'll tell you all about it. Okay. Before we get things started here. I see that the hills caned food dog food has been there recall has been expanded again, Judy. Yeah. There's a forty four varieties of keen dog foods manufactured by hills. And now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't hills exclusively found or mostly found by prescription at veterinarians. No, actually, there's two different kind of. Families. So there's the prescription line of food that is sold exclusively through veterinary offices or on some of the different online pharmacies. And then there's the kind of what I call the over the counter foods, so the hills brand versus the science diet. So so there's different different varieties. And I think the recall does affect canned food on both the prescription side as well as the nonprescription side of foods the recall, I occurred in January of this year. And then the FDA requested that hills tests samples of food. It had produced that were not part of the original recall and after hills conducted that testing led to an expanded recall as of March twentieth. And we put the list of all the foods over at our website. It is only dog food at this point though. So it doesn't affect the cat food. If you haven't needed this food, obviously don't continue feeding it you can return it to your store, but you should you should definitely discontinue feeding these foods to your pets. Of the FDA is also asking the help of Narian who suspect that this toxic city might be part of an illness. Because I guess you'd be on the front line, wouldn't you? Yeah. So I mean, the, you know, basically, we're watching for signs of kidney disease, and in some of that can be very subtle like vomiting diarrhea or not eating and then other things that fit more typically with drinking a lot weight loss or that might be hospitalized for kidney disease. All of a sudden, we would want to inspect and kind of question back. What what kind of Dieter we eat eating or what kind of food. Are you feeding right now horrific things about this recall, though, is like Dr Tevi was saying, you know, watch out for kidney disease because that has been in linked to too much vitamin d and some of the food that is being kidney diet, right? Yeah. Horrible. And then some of the foods are for pets that have digestive problems as well. So if those pets were to have vomiting, you might not say, oh, it's the food. You. I'd say, oh, this is the same problem. We've always been dealing with. So I think it does add a layer of extra concerns. Depend owners that an end veterinarians as well. It's it's disturbing. And I think I think a lot of the public is concerned we want the answers we want to know, you know, is everything else. Okay. And I think that's you know, we want that reassurance. And that they're looking into it and fixing it. It's like finding out your aspirin has a side effect of headaches. On the vitamin detox city, which is why it's been recalled. How does too much vitamin d get into food with food? There are different minerals and vitamins that are supplemented to to any kind of diet ration four pets. So if that dietary ration if that's a it's like, a premix of vitamin premix that may be used across the board in different diets. So and this is how some of these other brands foods that have crossed different brands in the past how that can affect different companies is because if everyone's using the same pre Mex or the same source for that pre medics then they can have their own foods affected by it. So that's really where that where I understand the problem. Lies was within the vitamin premix. This whole thing is pissed off some bits two well, mostly because you know, the company in itself the first wave of information was very we were kind of out of the loop. The company. Yeah. I mean, I I didn't get any emergency faxes emails or anything as a business owner this second release. They did really strict to the veterinarian. But it was kind of like, oh, we got to watch the news or, you know, turn on some of the social media things to get the information. So that that's what we expected more. I think for that. Okay. If you want to talk to Dr Debbie right now toll-free one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five pie who's this? Hey, richard. How are you doing today? A great I wanted to tell you how to get rid of flee into flee. We've been having a lot of fleet calls. This is Richard take on how to get rid of fleet. How do you get rid of fleas, Richard Harpic? No poisons, and the that you don't pull everybody in the house. Don't spend anything. You I have. We live in down the beach. She's been twenty years ago. I was away. Some I have them down at the beach all gone, anyway, we. They were would just do an everything everybody else. Best trying to get rid of them. And. My daughter picks. Anyway, one up there with an adult in the house. So we had a floor model TV. And. He wanted to leave of Fulham all TV on. So he could dog could see his plate the water. She left four. Well, that's that's considered of her. Yeah. Anyway, she. We've used that and amused. The TV I slip in there and the next morning the pie pan with all the lights out now except that television running. That pop in was you couldn't see the bottom of because of Lee's on top. Okay. Here's you of them. All right. And I have doing that until the who it appearing, okay? Okay. Let me make sure I have this straight. You had a pie. Tin is that what you're talking about water pipe? I would assume any type of paying the she pulls the water in a Pap hand and put it next to the TV TV. Yeah. Right with flow model TV right up under the save aside of it. He Richard UK's have created a really kinda unique spin on what we call a flea trap. And we'll this is this is something that's actually a lot of the veterinary dermatologists, and insect specialists recommend they don't necessarily incorporate the TV, which is kind of a cool little spin you've done, but using a low pipe pipe pan, which is a low threshold. So we know the fleas can kind of get in there easily and a direct light source shining into that site, which attracts the fleas to the ears of the lighters. At the heat that attracts or is a boat. It's a little bit of both really. So with that shines into that area. It's just kind of a place that draws them. So yeah, you're kind of selectively removing the adult form of the flavors. You're not doing anything for those immature forms, but the next couple of weeks, you'll have more fleas that'll be popping out that will hopefully be jumping in your pool in watch. And some TV at the same time. Bob. No it works every time. Yeah. We've got a friend of mine down here couple of years ago. And I put her TV on the floor, and it took care of hers of saying way, but the all different sides of pain. Any any program too? Right. Make them watch some infomercials. I'm sure that a really put them out of their misery. Well, all the lights out in the house, except that TV, and I had it on you leave it all night and ELO Dali. That's a very good idea. Richard try dividend. Now, I would imagine that the newer TV's, the LCD TV's probably aren't well. I don't know if it's all light. But they're not as hot. So it may not work with some of the newer LCD TV's flat-panel. So you need probably one of those older ones. But a great idea Richard thanks for calling toll free one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. This portion of animal radio is underwritten by the grain free red bar naturals, canned food for dogs and cats always made of USA with natural functional ingredients to support your pets optimal health, you could learn more at red Barney dot com. Thanks red barn for underwriting animal radio. You're listening to animal radio phones are open at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Hey, everybody, this is Bret Michaels, and I just wanna to say you right now want to take any the line again, my brain skip, Bret Michaels, they have one of my brain, hemorrhage, brain farts. I don't want to be responsible for that. Trust me. It's me animal radio, Bret Michaels animal radio guided, I knew the animal radio white. Okay. Here we go. Hey, this is Bret Michaels. You're listening to animal radio in take care of your pets. A will rock your world. Nature at its best is nature at its simplest at red barn. We've kept it simple for twenty years by concentrating on single ingredient natural dog treats because mother nature's actually pretty good at this bones are just tasty bones. Meet treats are just nursing meet its nature at its simplest look at the label. We want you to read bar natural treats, simply the best find it in your local pet. Specialty store. Try our slow roasted natural media bones Nita, fix of the good stuff. Get more animal radio with the free animal radio app for iphone and Android. You are quite the multitasker Judy. She is taking care of all these phone line's ringing. How do you deal with? I didn't even see you take any notes there, you like know who's on each line been doing it for years. In fact, I started out as a secretary many many years ago, and we didn't have all this technology. So you kind of had to remember those. Yes. So I was yeah. I very good at it. She is very smart and also has a very good memory and never ever play trivia with. She needs to learn that lesson haven't we? I was so cocky, I was like I'm so good at trivia. And then I just like I fell on my face. Switch. What are we going to? We're going to go to. Okay. Just a couple of seconds here line to hang on. Judy has designated you as next here at animal radio, Laurie. What are you working on for news? You know? You know, pet food stores always say, you know, pets are welcome. Bring your your pensin so one couples like, hey, we have a really big pet. Let's see if we can get away with this. This is probably the biggest pet that's ever been in a big pet store fake story. I think it's another thing from happy hour. I think these people decided, hey, let's do this. We'll find out what it isn't just a couple of minutes. I don't want to give it away because you know, end line to Stephanie. Hi, how are you? Good. Where are you? Where are you calling from from Santa Anna, California today, I'm going to be getting a pekingese puppy, and I was just wondering what type of food would you feed it because I haven't played one of those type of dogs pay for which your experience been in dogs. I'm having poodles when I've had an Afghan and I'd had us some OI dog years ago. All right. Well, the good thing in the good news is very similar with some minor changes for small dogs. Some of the special concerns we might have for small dogs. You're going to be on the size of the Kibble and are going to be concerned with hypoglycemia and size of the Kibble basically being that allied times for the smaller breeds of dogs. We will go ace the small bite variety of foods. Just a little easier further mouse to deal with and not as large worry about so much of a choking hazard. The other thing is I mentioned hypoglycemia in this is more for small breeze or even some much the toy breeds the really mini braids when they're young. We get concerned that if they are not eating on a regular timeline that they can actually have a very serious drop in their blood sugar in. It's not always caused by something that you're doing wrong. It just can happen in some of these dogs. So for small breeds of dogs and night include a Pekinese mix of that would be to make sure that we are feeding at least three times a day and any change in appetite. Anything digestive Lee, we we take that very seriously in these little ones, we just can't let them run that risk of getting hypoglycemic. And then how do you know? How old the pup is a it was just born like ago. Okay, fabulous. So we can have a young then. And a lotta times as you're starting off with the new puppy with their six weeks seven eight weeks of age a lot of himself even moist than their food or give him food not a huge canned food fan as a long term thing. But sometimes for ups just as we're transitioning them and getting them comfortable into a dog food. We'll do that. My preference is to cable and moisten it with warm water because then I feel like you're not really even going into that canned food, and hopefully you won't have that that fussy peaky dog that says I'm not going to take dry food. Now. I only want that smelly canned food stuff, which costs more mom. So I just try to avoid it. If I can as far as brands for food my recommendations are to find what your dog likes stick with major brands in those that have good. Solid nutritional histories. So what did you feed your previous pets? I have been so long ago that I had those it was like how real young. I don't remember. I remember feeding the Gainsbourg the little game Verner who is what we've been my dog. When I was a kid. I've learned better since then. The semi moist foods if we can stick to more of a dry food, you'll have more consistent dietary health. So I generally there's a lot of brands that I'm fans of I would say look for the small bite for righties injured. And then keep that in mind as far as the frequency of feeding such you'd wanna go to. But you have not really big into like, you know, having a single preference on foods. I like to adapt it to the individual pet into their health conditions if there's anything going on there. And then when how many months should they be before you get a get a female spayed? Okay. Yeah. Most cases, we will spe at six months of age in some areas of the country. They may have like in Las Vegas here. We have an early spay neuter law so by between four to six months is typically where they'll require that to be done as a puppy, though, you're going to have some other things before then to address we start at six weeks in puppies. Dating de worming checking those poop samples for parasites for their protection as well as yours. And then usually do that until they're about four months of age. So you'll have generally monthly visits there through the puppyhood time. Of good stuff to cover and go over. And I am now. I know. Yeah. In all the the the puppy trading in the potty training. Oh my goodness. We could just talk for hours here. Couldn't we now. I know Stephanie I have some food samples for you to try Wilson out your way if you hold on for a second. We'll get your information. Thanks for your call. We'll this portion of animal radio is underwritten by Kensington books. Inspired by true stories of cats who've been caught stealing from humans. It's the secret life of Matt by Belinda Metz. It's a hilarious heart warming novel about an adorable plateau kitty with a passion for thievery and a sideline in helping the humans in his life by them love. They deserve the secret. Life of MAC by Belinda Metz is available everywhere. Books are sold and you can learn more at Kensington books dot com. Thanks Kensington for underwriting animal radio. You're listening to animal radio phones are open at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Can you sucker animal radio love those pets? If you've ever shared, your home and heart with a charmingly naughty animal who's always up to mischief you'll fall in love with macgyver. The matchmaking klepto kitty in the secret life of MAC by Melinda. Metz Larry and heartwarming this possum romantic comedy. We'll have you laughing out loud as MAC that leaving tabbies steals, your heart. The secret life of MAC by Melinda. Metz is on sale now everywhere books are sold. Visit Kensington books dot com. For more info. This is an animal radio news update. I'm Laurie Brooks. According to a new study at Oregon state university, and it was published in the journal behavioral processes cats are friendlier in more interested in humans than you would think in the very first phase of this experiment. A total of forty six cats were studied twenty three of the meta shelter and the other half were studied in their own home, a stranger set in the middle of the room for this study and ignored the cat for two minutes before spending. The next two showering them with all kinds of great attention. The second experiment followed the exact same protocol though with their guardians paying them the attention and not the strangers regardless of who it was they found cats are more social when humans pay attention to them, in fact, in both groups the cats spent significantly more time with people who were paying attention to them than with people who ignore them. So there goes my theory that the cat always goes to the one who ignores it because that's exactly what I thought. You know, what the people that? Don't don't like cats. The cat goes right on over to them because they're starts wrapping themselves around their legs and Marken them yet. So they say territory is key to cats. Anyone who has a cat? You know, cats generally prefer to be at home with a stranger them be with their owner in a foreign place right territory for dogs. Oh, much less important dogs prefer to be around their own or more than anything wherever they are. In fact, treating cats like dogs experts say is likely the main reason that many people don't understand cats and their behaviors and his cat. Guru jackson. Galaxy oasis perhaps subconsciously we look at cats through dog colored glasses. He may be right. Well, the Tom bott puppy. It is the latest therapy robot PECH offer that kind of wonderful unconditional can't get enough of love that dogs are known to give the golden labrador retriever robot. Pup it will bark wag its tail. It responds to touch and provides emotional support mostly to seniors people who can't have pets or people with dementia, and it is in the funding phase now on Kickstarter. It's very interesting. It's already reached its goal. It was only twenty thousand dollars the goal, but they've come pretty far Tom bots creators wanted the robot to look and behave as close as they could get it to a real dog. So this was genius. They enlisted the help of Muppets creator, Jim Henson's creature shop for the design. I mean starting out at the top. So the the good news is not only is Tom bot, super cute. It's much more affordable than other robotic pets for those with dementia. Other robot pets start out of around twenty nine hundred dollars. And Tom Bhatt is a lot more affordable. It's supposed to retail for about five hundred bucks when it launches. And right now, we hear they're shooting for a target date of August of next year. But if you if you were to do a Kickstarter, you know, joining the kick scar starter where we're not endorsing that because that's a financial decision. And it's up to you. If something happens, but their Kickstarter offer is to ninety nine so say three hundred bucks, which is phenomenal who gets one of these things. Yes. Yeah. In if you look at the price comparison, it's it's a no brainer. And if you can afford that it would be so great for somebody with dementia to have this because I've known having been a hospice nurse. I've worked in many homes before that long term care facilities in some of the residents would Walker. Around with the baby doll that. They thought was absolutely a real baby. Imagine a dog like this that moves and response. And I didn't know I'd never got it. But now that I see that it would be for dementia who doesn't know that it's not a real dog. And have you ever seen the pictures of those animals that are actually owned by people with dementia? They forget about them. They forget to feed them. The are they they're they show their ribs. They don't understand. This is a good way. I think it's excellent. Okay. Judy. Okay. Don't be surprised next time. You happen to pop off one of the big box stores at the different type of animals that you'll see the next time. Maybe a pet co like this one in Texas this couple recently tested, this pet coz policy that all leashed pets are welcome. You've seen that. So they brought in their sixteen hundred pound Longhorn steer and on a leash of course. And his name was all of our he's he's well trained, but he has these massive horns, I mean, they measured in its nine and a half feet from end to end for his horn. So he had to kind of negotiate navigate through other through the door. It was quite a sight. He's of course, social media phenomenon now. But if you want to check it out, it definitely are saw the video Lloyd of that bowl being escorted through the Petco, amazing his horns enormous. I mean, just I had when I was in four H as a child. Trying to train my steer. Hercules, who is named Hercules for a reason he was very shrugged but trying to teach him to to walk around the backyard. So he would eventually be able to go into the show ring. It was a circus every day. Did you succeed? No. I really I I was I was a miserable failure. So I have a lot of respect for for those kids who can do that. I was not successful Judy. I'm Laurie Brooks. Get more breaking animal news, anytime animal radio dot com. This has been an animal radio use update. Get more at animal radio dot com. You're listening to animal radio phones are open at one eight six six four zero five eight four five the show. Nancy Harry doing. How are you? Good. Very good. You sound very where are you calling from today that you're so darn handy? Pollen from North Carolina. Everybody from North Carolina. They all seem happy when they call me notice that Judy. It must be the center, you know, what's going on with your pets? Well, I had a question about those sauce clause for cats, and I don't know if I'm using the right word that you put on the clause of a cat. So it doesn't scratch the furniture frozen. Con. Okay. Have you tried them before looking into possibly getting into this for your kitty? I have not tried them. But yes, we're I'm combining household with my new husband, and my cat will be coming with me, of course. And we we have fine furniture. And there's also a decoy call declawed cats that this cat will be sharing a household with. I don't want any problems with that situation as well. I gotcha. Okay. Yes. So soft pause soft clause. There's different names in different brands out there. But basically what they are a little vinyl calf. So what we basically do with those as we trim the Kiedis nails and find the perfect. Size nail cap and then use especially he's of glue to put that on the nail to keep that from snagging and hopefully getting into problems around the house, whether it's scratching or scratching furniture or other kitties or people or what have you? So. Yes, I do think there's certain place for these items. I personally as a veterinarian am very frustrated with them just because in many cases, I'm the one that puts those on. But at the at the household level. They are wonderful. You just have to be patient, and you have to be diligent about stayed up with these. So the downside is that I see that the clause. The soft pause can come off frequently. And I'm kind of busy lady. I don't do my nails, and I find it hard to catch nails. So for me. That's the biggest downside is that it's a time management thing of staying up with us making sure you keep the nails trimmed because as the nail grows the cap will fall off so you have to be faithful and diligent about about that way. But other than that. I don't have a lot of other cons about it. The definite pros about it are that hopefully, we can avoid things like declining scratching furniture scratching people in getting into trouble in that in that regard. So there's so many benefits of it. I would not hesitate to try it. I just would say keep your patients intact. And it depends on the kitty some cats are real squeamish about having their toes messed with if your kid is good about having toenail trims. Then there's not a reason not to try it. And it's generally well tolerated. Carey that's a that's good to know. Now, would you suggest perhaps that I go to a veterinarian for the first time around to learn technique is that? Sounds like you're absolutely. I think that's a great idea in the common thing is I see a lot of people don't trim cat's nails properly. So we wanna make sure what trimming them short enough that it's meaningful. But not too short that we're going to hurt the kitty. So I think making sure we've got good Neil. Trim techy down is very important. That's the starting point. Then it's just a matter of kind of eyeballing finding the right size cap in knowing what size. We're going to need to keep on the kitties nails. So yeah, I I do like to make fun because it's it is frustrating as a veterinarian because we have other things to do. So I usually have my technicians take care of this little detail that you know, I can do my serve you're playing with the birds or or what have you around here? You have a scratching post. I'm going to get one. What we're doing is combining household. So I I yes, I'm going to have several scratching posts, and it's really not the furniture damage. I just don't want the e clogged cat from his adopted. And we did not. Claw him heard or the my other cat furthering? That cat initially until everybody gets to be a happy. Happy cats on North Carolina. Happy cat. Thank you so much. We recall, good luck. 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Got a fourteen year old shepherd, husky wow. Yeah. That's what everybody says. That's that's very impressive for a large dog. What are you doing? I definitely believe in spoiling them and taking care of them. But the problem with them other than he has a little stiffness in his hind legs. But he's on glucose coming for the past year. And he seems to be doing. Okay. But I started them on a canine aspirin regimen. Also once a day. Trying to go through a process of elimination. His problem is of course, it fourteen is not as active as he used to be. But just standing there. He will start panting. Like he's out of breath. Like, he just got done running. If he lays down he quits. So I didn't know if it was his hind legs hurting them that was causing him. The pant anything else I could come up with with something like congestive heart failure or something like that. Coughing or labor breathing anything like that. Okay. He's eating good. All that that stuff like a pig. Okay. And he lies down and gets up. Does. He pop right up. Would you say on a with a one one two two second delay? Or is it something that takes a little bit of time? If he knows he has to move he can get up very quickly of already let him outside a couple of weeks ago, and he took off like a two year old puppy after a deer. So he can still move. He's not real slow in getting up a little bit. I mean, you can see that like, okay, I'm getting old. And you know, I'm gonna take my time doing this. But he can still move. Okay. Does he have any kind of problems where he's having any house soiling problems? Or does he seem confused in the home at all like where he's out? Well. Well. Well, he sounds like he's a very good move in fourteen year old. And I think the big thing when I hear of panting. It can be one of those kind of nondescript signs that can mean a lot of things. So you're right to be worried about things like hard or respiratory problems. But I really got to wondering a fourteen year old dog, especially a larger breed dog where we do expect some hip problems. And maybe some arthritic problems that I think we very likely could be missing the ball when it comes to his pain relief aspirin, and I kind of cut you off a little bit earlier aspirin is it's a wonder drug for the heart for humans. But it's really not the best thing we can offer our dogs for pain control. And there's a lot of different things out there. But for dogs with arthritis, whether they're diagnosed or where to see in some aches and pains, I do like to put them on a couple of things one is glucose Amine, a good joint supplement in. It's something I give to them if they're a senior, even if they're not showing signs of crying limping things like that. Because we know arthri. Rightous happens in old people old dog. So why not treat for something we presume could be there? The other thing I would do as I would try to get away from aspirin just because there are dogs that not only are they sensitive to it, and they can have micro ole service, and they can have low grade GI bleeds, but it doesn't always do the best job when it comes to arthritic pain. So I would suggest that we go to a different non steroidal medication. And there are some fabulous ones out there. You'll have to work with your veterinarian on this. But I do like some called up private Cox, and that's one that's a once a day. Non-steroidal we use for our threat pets it works wonderfully. There are other ones. Remedy dare Amax. It's really a matter. What works for you or for your veterinarian, but I would suggest to try to get him on something like that give it a try for a couple of weeks and see if we see a difference in some of his comfort 'cause lacking the ability to lie down consumption meat. Sometimes I mean, they're in pain just as we can expect. Want to hear crying or whining dogs with arthritis will not do that? So we have to look kind of round panting. Having troubles getting up and down from a line position. Those are signs they're in pain. So I would definitely encourage it. Let's step up our game with that arthritis control. Because obviously, you are doing something super to keep this guy move in for as long as you have. So maybe just look into some new things, I think we can help your old felon. Let's see if we can get around fifteen or sixteen here. So keep up the good work. This is Dr Debbie give us a call. We're at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. You're listening to animal radio phones are open at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. And then when animal radio news, brief New Jersey man's out a couple of hundred bucks after pleading guilty to feeding a few cats. According to the Burlington county times Harry heck was accused of leaving cat food on private properties belonging to local city officials to track some of the feral cats that he and other Burlington residents called a public nuisance heck says he was trying to show the officials what the neighborhood is going through. But a judge called Hex actions disgraceful, and he was slapped with a two hundred and fifty dollar fine as well as some court fees. We know how pets relieve stress. There's a new cafe in Paris. They're offering people a dose of stress relief with their coffee and croissants. It's called the cat. Cafe. They've got a dozen resident cats that provide what could be called per therapy. The manager. There says a cats purring has been shown to help relieve arthritis rheumatism and lower blood pressure as well as heart rate, so many people showed up for their recent opening about three hundred people had to be turned away. This has been an animal radio news briefs. 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You're listening to right now in the background diesel is ace nor big time snore and one of many pugs. I'm sorry BULLDOGS that Laurie has Laurie breast Cue's BULLDOGS, she has an affinity for the pre don't you kinda stuck in there. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. They're just I'm a sucker for any needy dog or medically needy dog any hospice dog at any senior dog. I, you know, how can you refuse it really care and what a cute little face diesel has to just. Thing that little sleep in just doesn't know he's away. He doesn't know he's making national radio news. Can we roll him over boys? So grab your pets. Bring him around the radio, even the storied ones. We'd love to talk to you. The number is one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five and Dr Debbie's here to answer your medical questions. Enjoy Villani with your grooming questions. And we'll go to the phones in just a couple of seconds before the end of the show today. We're going to talk to Kelly Matthews, and she is founded a company called critter cops. And she finds lost and stolen pets big deal. It is a big deal. I'm telling you, how did you get an interview with her? Yeah. I know here's the deal is she didn't want to do an interview. She usually doesn't do interviews. In fact, I think this is her first one, Judy juice. It is is there a first interview because she fears for her life in her pets lives apparently. She's broken up. Several pet theft rings you don't wanna mess with the people that run these pet theft rings. I'll tell you that right now. Now, they're bad guy. They are bad people. But she decided that she will do her first interview with us today. Just a few minutes right here on animal. Radio laurie. Woody working on in the newsroom. Well, there's a hundred and ninety three different breeds of dogs. Well, that's according to the AKC the American kennel club. And I I love lists. And their now with last year's list of the most popular dog breeds in America. And I'm going to share it with you are there any changes to surprise. No change in the number one number one remains the same for the last twenty eight years, but I can give you the rest of the list. I'll give you the whole top ten. Okay. That's in just a few minutes right here on animal radio. Let's go to the phones. Hi, tom. How're you doing? I'm just doing a wonderful here today in dunnigan, California headed north to the Seattle area and my semi northern California. Yes, yes. It is north of Sacramento. What's going on you travel with your dog? I do I do a lot of western traveling. And I was just in the back of my mind, she loves to run out, and we'll German shepherd and chase rabbits, and and just range around and meet people. But I was worried about rattlesnakes and in some remote areas if she was ever bitten. What would I do? Is there anything I can carry it with me other than a snake bite kit? Or venom venom. Good questions there Tom in. You know, I'm come from the heart of the snake world too in Las Vegas. So, you know, it's a very real concern, especially if you've got an investigational little dog there who chases critters. So, you know, the big thing is that was snake bites. Every snake bite is a medical emergency. And I never ever recommend a pet owner to treat this on their own. The most important thing is to get to the vet as soon as you can snake bite kits really aren't going to be very useful. Because some of the old wives tales that we we've been taught through the years are completely wrong. And we don't want to do those things. So you don't want to cut a snake bite suck. The venom out. You don't wanna put attorney kit in on or even ice packs that can make the effects of the venom much more severe in the area where the pets bitten. So the strategies that I recommend. If a pet is bitten is basically keep them calm. And we try to make sure that the area that. Has the bite is lower than the level of the heart. So we just don't want to hurry that venom to through the rest of the body. But really getting to the veterinarian is very critical. Now treatment for snake bites is is is controversial venom is available, but I'll tell you can cost several hundred even thousand dollars or more to just get the venom into some dogs. It's a very costly product. So that may or may not be available. So most pet owners don't carry it. Most veterinary clinics in some areas, don't even stock it. They will get it from a central supply. So probably just it. Now, the good prevention thing, I would say is if you are in snake bite area snake aversion training, or snake avoidance training is key. That would be the one thing preventative I can recommend anybody who's concerned about the incidents of snake bites basically with that you would need to see a trainer and through the use of electrical. They'll shock collars. They basically trained the. Dogs that the site the smell of a snake is of concern. So they they basically train them that don't get near these things in the first place. And that's one of the best ways that we can prevent snake bites. Keep on a leash and that kind of country, and she said, she's a pretty smart dog as they say until her nose. It's the ground initiatives summer the fence post. I had my dogs come up against dead rattlesnakes. And so, you know, it was a little frightening at the time. But it is something to always kinda take that opportunity to work on those basical commands, if you do something you don't want them to to come across in the future. Whether it be a porcupine or a skunk or or rattlesnake, or what have you know? Some folks might talk to you about there is actually a rattlesnake vaccine that some folks use it's a little controversial. But that might be something you can talk to the veterinarian's in the areas, you're going whether that's something they recommend or not. It's just not completely proven whether or not it helps survivability with snake bites. So for me, I really say the heart of it is, you know, the aversion training to snakes and keeping your pet. You know under control at all times. What kind of time line? Would you be talking about once this animals, spitting before you get to vet it it like forty five minutes to get past hour, and it's too late. Team is really of the essence. So as soon as possible, we know that the effects of the venom right away. We'll start to call shock like signs within just a matter of you know, amid a couple of minutes, Stephen half hour, the long term effects. We can have the potential for infection. Lauda snake bites? They will get infected there's a lot of pain tissue destruction that kind of comes on after the effects, but yet initial shock really needs to be help. You don't wanna stop for a double western you, really wanna go directly to the vet would be suggest in there. I appreciate your call. It's a good question. Not a lot of people ask that or no. It's a big deal with all the snakes one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five to connect with anyone of the dream team. Which one are we're going to one by Laurie. How are you? Hi, how are you? Good. Where are you today? I'm in Indiana. Can we help you? I am a large jog malamute is mother was registered lamps. And I noticed a not on the back of his neck and a few months ago any been having Uber's in his eyes that looked like blood, and he's been slobbering Allott. And I'm wondering if you know if I should really be worried about it. Is it is the slobber in is a drool in one sided, or is it just kind of all all out of the mouth all over. I just one sided. I'm not for sure about. I'm confused one-sided though, I known Dane on the cover on his bed. Is rubbing it his eyes or his face at all. Or you see in him rather without narrow when I when I clean is is it it definitely looks like blood. We'll in jogs. Do have some pigment changes to their tears in their I into their saliva, and there's kind of a natural Brown color that can come from the tears in this live. And in fact, he ever notice a dog that licks their feet a lot you see kind of a Brown staining arrest staining of the for so some of that could fall into that category. I'm a little bit concerned because you mentioned some of that ruling accompanied with the I just charge, and I guess the first thing I would consider would be the possibility that something inside the mouth inside the oral cavity that could be causing some problems there something as simple as a bad too or an infected route on a tooth can cause problems in the eye on that same side and believe it or not we'll diagnose a bad tooth by a pet that has a sore right below the eye and or excessive discharge from the eyes. So that would be something. It certainly do I would lift up your pets lip look in the mouth, and you know, certainly at a pet that age I would get him to a vet just so we can have a good checkup from the head to toe. But that would definitely be something that I could explain some of those signs, otherwise, you know, there are some basic I infection some conjunctiva Vitus problems where we need to get a pet on antibiotics, and they could actually how sometimes bloody discharge from the eyes. So that to you know, I like to look through the microphone, but I don't know that I could see all the way to Indiana. And and by the way, you know, I'm a Hammond. Indiana, originally got to put my little shadow out there. But but yeah. So I would certainly say, you know, looking at those is in potentially treating any infection. That's they're in getting a good look inside that mall. So I would certainly say, you know, get your issue vet to take a good look there didn't make any appointment at kicking by yesterday. But. That was going to be out killed Monday. What is why you're all in Las Vegas working today? Tell me where he was. So I don't know he may be failures. You'll never know. Because what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Thank you so much for your call today. One eight six six four zero five eight four zero five in this portion of animal ready who was underwritten in part, by critter cops critter cops. There's a new way to find lost pets, and it's becoming very popular all over the USA. It's critter cops. You'll get huge media blast of thousands of people about your loss pet. They also offer specialized services for stolen pets. Try them. New way to find a lost pet and increase your chances of a reunion. Visit critter cops dot net. And thanks coulda cops for underwriting animal radium. You're listening to animal radio phones are open at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Jackson galaxy. 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If you have a question for your for Dr Debbie or for Joey Villani about your pet, and we all eventually have questions about our pet, and we'll go to those phones in just a couple of seconds here and animal radio, we'll be talking in a few minutes about how much we spend on our food. Collectively as pet pet lovers pet consumers? It's one of the biggest growing sectors in the pet industry or pet on second. You know, these companies they try to spin it and make the latest marketing, you know, if it's either grain free or gluten free. Now the big trend is vegan vegan foods for your pets for both dogs. You couldn't cats need me. Absolutely. So cats have no business going vegan convert them back to me carnivore. So there was a study done to find out, and they they pulled both vegans vegetarians, and because there is a difference between the two and those of us that eat whatever we want often, and they found out that actually there's a good percentage of those that feed their cats vegan diets a large percentage feeding them begin. Now, they require meat, they require the amino acids that are in meat, and that cannot be met by feeding a vegetable product or a vegetable based food so counts, that's why they need to eat. Meet because they will have I- problems they'll develop heart failure, if they don't receive the amino acids that are in meat, and there's no supplement for me. No acids. No, well, you you can supplement, but we're not gonna meet the bodily needs. So we would have to be doing an extensive testing to find out what we're lacking. And then the daily ration that's being fed in the shortcomings. So it's it's really not something to gamble with your cats health and life because you have maybe a phil- philosophical mindset for how you want to eat dogs. We can talk about it in. There are ways that they can get around and eat a vegan diet, a vegetarian diet but cats, it's really it's not recommended is fraught with problems for katie's. Why do you think these companies that are branding the marketing the stole? No that well, it's whether they knew that. But it's what sells so a lot of what we see in animal nutrition mirrors. The current trends what we see people choosing in there. Diet. So you know, it's kind of logical that people are attracted to it because of their their interests just as many people are into organic foods. So they may be their first glance may be at an organic diet before the look at another diet if that's important to them and same with a grain free movements. It's you know, there's only a very small select subgroup of dogs than need a grain free diet because of absorptive problems, and they're they're not like people, the the majority of animals are gluten sensitive. It's really very select populations. But they do have allergies. So most people think all because gluten is a thing that all allergies are triggered by. And that's just not true. There are we know other food proteins that actually trigger allergies far more than a week does. So I guess they're going to be targeting. My cat and dog on the Kito diet next. All right. I have a problem if you're giving bacon to your dog and cat. So, you know, I'm going to give you a little trouble with that. Oh, laurie. What are you working on for the news the bottom of the hour here? Well, like you were talking about record breaking year for the pet industry this year. So what's you know, figures how much and you know, what's hot? And what's not because they're are actually a couple of categories within the pet industry that are declining were not spending as much money on. Really? Okay. I cannot wait to hear that. Well, this of animal radio is underwritten by embrace pet insurance providing knows detail accident and illness coverage for your dog or cat. It can be customized to fit your budget and needs simply take your dog or cat to any vet submit a claim forming get reimbursed quickly if you want to learn more head on over to embrace pet insurance dot com to get a quote, and thanks embrace for underwriting animal radio. Let's go to which one Judy line three. Just can we do? We're going to go to one. Okay. She she overruled meals. Sorry line three hold on a second. Let's go to one. Doing today. Good. How you doing so far so good? But it's still early. Who isn't this is Bill? He I've talked to you guys before as a matter of fact, I think I'm I I mean, I know I'm the one that gave you the thumb cure for your four, bro. I use it all the time now, and I pass it on. Thank you so much for that information. It is amazing. Vote now at all. I haven't had a sore for probably fifteen years. Yeah. It's improved my sex life too. And. Any other tips. You have you just bring a Bob but Bill. Well, I gotta restored came our dog groomers before I became a truck driver, and she's still grooms dogs that animal hospital down there in Florida, but we had this one customer who had a season and he had his dog neutered him and his wife had a girlfriend had the dog nude. Well, they felt that the dog was rather embarrassed about the so well, they had us leave a tough to hair back when his testicles were. And they had it and each time ahead agreement did wants to talk to you. They wanted to get bigger and bigger. Cover up that area that well, you know, they have what they call nude Ecoles. Have you ever heard of noodles Bill? Yes. Yes. I have implants. I have. Yeah. Testicular implants fake implants for those. That might be a little, you know, funchess about here thing. Let's not go do surgery. Much surgery. That's that would be worse than up declaw a cat. Okay. Well, you know, I guess that's another solution. If you're one of those people that doesn't want to get your animal neutered, simply because they won't look macho anymore. They won't have those stainless day believe there. Yeah. You can come up with. Here's the days of new story. I'm miles Cadillacs five revealed on social media this month and Bronx the SUV trend Cadillac is committed to sedans, despite the growing consumer preference vs pickups Cadillac is bringing to new sedans Tamaki, the five just revealed will be followed by the four later this year and will land in Cadillac showrooms twenty twenty five will make his public debut. 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So if you're an investor, you know better than the year before right up four percent, not a bad return. A lot of a lot of money. Yeah. It is a lot of money. Huge industry any keeps growing. I bet you're not gonna be surprised though that the food category easily top. The list of expenses. That's what we spend the most on when it comes to our pets. In fact, it was more than thirty billion dollars on all kinds of food from Kibble to specialty foods and the report also cited rising prices and the sale of higher priced foods. You know, the more personalized diets and fresh foods with quality ingredients rather than simply more food being purchased as the reason that we spent more now the second biggest expenditure behind food for pet. Parents was veterinary care at a little more than eighteen billion dollars. Now, that's a bigger increase about six percent over twenty seventeen. So according to this report, it's not the cost of healthcare. This is interesting that accounts for the increase overall. So not when we go to the vet our bills or bigger what they're saying is that the overall cost of pet healthcare has dropped which makes. It more accessible to everybody. And so more people can afford to take their animals to the vet interesting. So the only two categories also that showed a decline in expenditures were purchased pets and so-called other services. Now that includes a grooming boarding walking training pet sitting in all of that. They say millennials are more likely to adopt. And in fact, they are three times more likely to shop at independent pet stores than to walk into a big store like Petco or PetSmart and that baby boomers gen Xers. They are more prone to go to a breeder to get a dog. So. Okay, drum roll, maybe. Of the more than one hundred ninety three. Doug breeds recognized by the AKC the most popular breed of dog in the United States is for the twenty eighth year in a row. You know, the labrador retrievers. Twenty eight years after the top the top ten list isn't like nine of them the same as last year maybe before. No, I think it was said that rottweilers moved up into the top ten this year. And they were kinda surprised by that because they're a working breed, and that was kind of unusual, but after labs on the list, the top five breeds nationwide or German shepherds, golden retrievers, French BULLDOGS, and then English BULLDOGS, and then rounding out the top ten at number six Beagles, then poodles rottweilers German short haired pointers and at number ten Yorkshire terriers, and the least popular, and that's probably the wrong way to say, they also said rare, but I didn't want to say it's a rare dog and then people run out and buy one. But those with the least amount of AKC registration right now is a new dog that was only recognized about three years ago. This lucci. There sloughed in it re that sounds like dessert like an Italian restaurant like I'll have all this Lucci. Yes. Exactly. Lorie brooks. We wanna point out that this is the AKC's list and really wouldn't ri-. Popular breed. Be a mutt. Which is not really a breed. But I mean, if you really did the got down to counting. How many there were wouldn't be the mutt? That you would find believe you're absolutely correct. Cal. And I was in fact shocked when I read this is that they only registered five hundred eighty eight thousand some odd dogs in two thousand eighteen and they say that registrations are going up every year. But I thought that didn't seem like a lot. I mean, I expected millions sherve. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how accurate that is. That's the AKC's take on a popularity breed popularity right? Right. Okay. Absolutely. On Lorie Brooks, give breaking animal news anytime. It's always available at animal radio dot com. Animal radio news update. Get more at animal radio dot com. Live at the red barn studios. You're listening to animal radio. Here's how Judy. The snoring in today's show is brought to you by diesel. All right can help it. What a dull Kate you have to deal with snow? It all the time. Don't you? Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a fixture with BULLDOGS constant sleeping, how many BULLDOGS do you have at home now to right now? I have a foster yet another foster coming in a couple of weeks. So you could have had that for Rury right instead of dogs. It's not as bad as forces. But yes in my house, if you look around somebody was saying about how much Doug stuff they have. And I've thought that for many years is like every cupboard. And when we moved the last time, I said, okay. This covered is for dog stuff. This closet and everything really. I would say about seventy percent of the houses dog stuff. We live in a dog house. Yeah. That's okay. That's the way we roll here at animal radio. Most of us. We have here in our from me all the time. If in fact, if there's a meal that doesn't have hair in my food than I complain now. Now, you're been gypped. You're not eating here. There isn't okay. So our next guest. This is exciting. Kelly Matthews is joining us from. I'm not even sure where she is right now, some super secret hidden location, and she has a company called critter cops. And they help you find a lost pets, and we welcome to the show. Hi, Kelly, Harry doing. Very good before we talk about your business. I wanna talk a little bit about you. Okay. I came to you. And I asked for an interview, and you told me that generally you let your marketing manager do your interviews. And I asked why and you said well revealing your identity makes you a Tergat for dog theft rings because you've helped break up the brings in the past. I guess through your stolen pet service. If this right so far. Yeah. We we occasionally do get threats, unfortunately, because it's it's very very big market. I don't think people realize big money in in dogs this. We're trying to become huge advocates for writing these these differences up, and obviously that going to Mike it's a little bit of a target. So. I do tend to Cape under the right? So why have you chosen animal radio to be the first to reveal yourself? Radio stations in the wanting to do interviews. But it's like I said it's something I've avoided because I just wanted to protect my family. But thing that it's animal radio with, you know, fields. Like, I mean, it's something I've thought about for a while. I don't really like leaving my life in in complete privacy. And I think if I'm going to show the world who I am than I I would rather do it. We, you know, pet lovers and people, you know, are that respect what I'm doing? And rather than you know, some of the other radio stations where it's it's just the story for them. Sorry. Yeah. I pre- Shiite. What you guys do? And. We feel very honoured. Yes deaf that you do this. So now, your company is called crater cops. And you look for lost pets using. I think social media and online resources is that correct? We have services for lost, pets and stolen pets. So the the most pet services. Yeah. Mainly social media advertising. And also we have a team of a hundred seventy people that jump on. And do a lot of online since the people as well to try and find matches for the, you know, found lease things for their don't and cats, and then we've got a stolen pits of its which is a lot more involved. I understand you have to services here. My dog goes missing. How do I know if it's lost or stolen? How do I know which service to look for it? You're you're at critter cops. Yeah. We get that quick to a lot odiously unless you actually, witness assists. I it is sometimes hard to tell. But there are quite a few indicators. There are things that might kill double cab more likely to be stolen. So for example, if their appeal breads, you know, that they have a high value. So that the wave one to kinda if you'll don't these young that might some, you know, sometimes better target and also if they can still have puffy, okay, we're gonna take a quick break. I want to find out more Judy has questioned we all have Christian, and so many questions we are Kelly. Matthews critter cops dot net is the website critter, cops dot net should helps you find your lost or stolen pet will be right back. That's my dog. Annie, she's healthy now. But recently, she broke her leg, and I had to rush her to the vet, thankfully, she's protected by embraced pen insurance. They covered her surgery and reimbursed the clean quickly embrace offers one simple plan for unexpected accidents illnesses that you can personalize to fit your budget filler in more visit embraced pen insurance dot com to get a free quote policies. Underwritten by licensed insurer of American modern insurance group coverage subject to policy, terms and conditions. Visit embrace bed insurance dot com. For coverage. Details. Radio live simply so that others may simply live checkout animal radio highlights all the good stuff without the bla-bla-bla browse on over to animal radio dot pet. We are with Kelly. Matthew, she is a founder of critter, cops dot MIT. And this is her first radio interview because she's she's protected herself from. Bad guys who run pet thieving rings or pet theft rings? Yeah. That's a thing. Really? I it's hard to believe it, and you had so many questions you're going to question. If my pet is stolen and relocated far far away. Do you just search certain areas is nationwide worldwide? How far does this search go? It's a nationwide. Search are and it has to be people are. Two million animals stolen every year. And people don't realize how big this is. So when you dog or cat or anything else really we've had horses lots of different things when the stolen it's really important to increase the rights of you such as much as you can because it's very unlikely that they're going to still have the pit very close by so, yeah, we do a nationwide. Search for you know, any animal remotely resembling resembling you'll pit over to critter cops dot C. You have a couple of options are these things that we want to do before. Our pens lost or winner pet is lost. When they lost. Yes. The yes. Yes. Sorry. The couple of options you see on the front that the loft pet, and then we have this Olympics option. Tell us about option would what what comes with option would so one full of pets that for team one hundred fifty people that will you will send the photo and description as pets, and I will jump online and stop team folks Oviously, you know, there's a lot of people that find pits, and I'd probably them on Feis person on USA. It's craigslist. I think prices, but and it can be incredibly difficult to to try and search every day all day and try and keep up with a little of that. Especially if you're you know, working and busy sorry. We have a team of people that jump online, and and dual though searches for us for said he dies. Okay. It makes sense to really collect a picture and description right now, so that if and when this time comes we can submit those pictures directly to you don't have to go scouring for pictures when we're busy going checking the shelters and doing all of that other stuff with our when our children, it is just like children should always have picked her picture. Okay. I guess I do on my phones we have current pictures. We take them every day. Okay. So what's number two? Is social media options? So that where we do Facebook advertising? So we have attained that configures Facebook ads that will appear on people's privatize woes that and that will go within a ten mile radius of the last nine location. It's a lost pet, and it's a really important service because you know, a lot of people on fortunately, even if the driving around, and I see a dog wandering around the straight. And I hate to say that, unfortunately, not everyone is that interested not everyone is going to remember that dog and go harm and to twice books hours trying to find the ordinance data's and high senior dog today on the way to work. So what this does is it prompts them to remember, or, you know, not everyone looks vice pages, but they might people on Facebook. So when they get home, and it just growing through. They're on us fate. And they see the pope hop for this dog, it prompts them to remember an old literally have to do is is press the button to say saying that stole today. So it's a great way to generate siding. Use any kind of facial recognition to go through the hundreds of thousands of loss. Stay on moles to find any kind of choose. It is something that the doing in the the moment in and we are looking into it at the moment. It is why we have a hundred fifty people doing it because he's a a grueling tossed. But it's not something that I said it stops at the mine. It sounds like technology is definitely changing the horizon finding lost pets. Yes. It was great. It isn't it's making it hot a as well, you know, I wait we try and make the dog famous bicycling and causes the saves to panic and a lot of the time. They simply just release them. Are there any particular stories that come to mind what we we had a really funny wanting in plain men here in it's dry. It was actually a couple had boys of the dogs stolen. And I would assume it was fucking pip is actually because I was that would lodge lodge monthly dogs. And yeah, they contacted us and we started doing some some appetizing, and we do a lot of things stolen pit services quad involved. But went quite viral and. Oviously penny and they returned they'll to the on. Truly of guys it won't start up to the door handed. The the dogs back and gave a hilarious story of they had a pet sitting business, and they they just picked up the wrong dolts and with stike. Okay. Critter cops dot net. The website critter, cops dot that will put links to everything you've heard on today's show over at able radio dot, Pat Kelly. Thank you so much for coming on the show today. Okay. It's time for us to get out. I should spur. It's time for us to get on outta. I don't wanna wait. Don't wait us. Let sleeping dogs lie. And those dogs that are a weakness studio, we'll take you for a walk right now. Thanks for joining us today. If you need your fixed or in the week, visit us over at animal radio dot pet. Download the radio app for iphone, Android, and blackberry vary. Very quiet. We'll see next week. Anamar?

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Here are your hosts pal Abrahams and Judy Francis. Gotta make sure all the dogs are company in their little beds. When they come into the studio here, they they have a routine don't they Judy? They know exactly what's going on. And where to go do and they do not get into each other's beds. They of course, not they're assigned beds. And it's funny because whenever we say, you know, goodbye kitchen next week they pick up on that. So they know when we're finished with the show get up, and they're ready to leave the studio go outside. Ok well, they have two hours to nap. Now. A while we answer your questions at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five, and I shouldn't say we answer your questions because as you know, I'm a wealth of misinformation. So you're not asking me any questions. You're not asking Judy any questions. You'll be asking Dr Debbie who has a lifetime of experience with animals all kinds of weird animals too. So she knows she'll be able to help you in pretty sure about that. In fact, I've never ever seen her stumped in the last nineteen years has she ever said. Up to really get stops. You know that you're going to jinx me. I'm just mentioning it's a true fact one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five Lorie Brooks in the newsroom, also, very smart gal. What do you got coming up this hour? I don't know about that. But I do know I have this cool story about another unique way. I'd say incredibly unique way to remember a pet and some former NASA employees is the one who's giving us the idea. He's probably going to be the first one who's ever done this. But will learn from it. I'm always looking for great ideas to memorialize my animals. You know, the first thing that comes to my mind again is always the drone the drone. Yes. Making your cat into a drone. I always think about the wine glass that we that's cool. Yeah. The wine glass wine glass says you'll have another way that we can do that coming up in just a few minutes if you'd like to talk to Dr Demi right now pick up the phone and call one eight six six four oh five eight. Eight four zero five, and we go to is it cinnamon, high, cinnamon. I I love your name. Thank you. What's going on? Well, we have a boxer who is he is about three years and about five months now, and we got him when he was about three months old, and he was great and no problems. You took him to dog park many times. All he wanted to do was run. And just recently the last about four times going to dog park. He seems aggressive, and it's not towards specific dogs that can be any dog. He just kind of seeks him out and wants to attack. So I don't I I don't know what any hasn't been traumatized by any dog. So I don't know what is all of a sudden changed. And so is he you said he's about three plus years is he intact. Or is. He neutered is neutered. He is neutered. Okay. And then so you said there hasn't been any kind of altercation. So what kind of dogs is he playing with at the dog park. Oh, yeah. But when we go to the dog park for he goes in the big dog parks. So they're all big dogs. But he's gone after Saint Bernard, a German shepherd, a husky and the gist this weekend was very well behaved Rottweiler that wasn't causing any problems with any dogs. And then he just kinda we walked in the gate, and he he gave that look and he just kept seeking amount. And finally, you know pounce on him. He's actually having physical contact with the dog sees actually like trying to bite them. Wow. Okay. And then would outside of the dog park. What is your dog's personality like at home or if you're out leash walking? He's great. So well at home, the is great with everybody. You know, we have two kids at all to older kids at home. But he's great with the family, you know, playful, and but never harm to anybody. When we do go for walks. He's very skittish. He gets scared over everything cars found loud town. He gets really freaked out. So that's why dog parks ben- beneficial firs exercise in the past because you know, going for walks in and just out in the public is pretty hard. Okay. All right. Well, this I'm so sorry because that's for dogs that need some exercise in that are well socialized dog park can be a great thing. But for any dog with a behavioral problem? I it's the wrong place to be and I'd have to say right now. I would you know, unfortunately, I think ceasing dog park activity is really important in the fact that you say that he has some ings -iety outside of the home in other situations kind of gives us something to work on because that may give us some clues as to his behavior and the dog park so anxiety to noises to new things to movement to novel things outside of the home environment rather than being maybe protective in the home environment. Jog outside their comfort zone may actually have generalized anxiety, and how one dog response to that versus another is very individualized. So some dogs would be very fearful and trembling and cowering and others will actually react with an aggressive type behavior. And that would be part of my concern, certainly we'd have to see the individual interactions with the other dogs and see kind of their body language and their behaviors the only reason I'm. Not a super fan of dog parks is there are a lot of dogs that run around there that really have not learned proper social cues. So meaning that, you know, new dog comes in they kind of go. Hey, who's that? Hey, we don't know George Georgia's year. Hey, hi, I'm Tom. I'm Bob some dogs. Don't know how to do that kind of interactions penalites like taking a friend out that really doesn't how to socialize at the bar. So that can be off putting and other dogs with saying Boy, George is a little weird. And instead of just saying that a dog might react in an aggressive manner in that might be, you know, hackles up that might be a lunch that might be a growl every dogs a little different. So that's why dog parks. I think would be the absolute worst place for him as you trying to battle this. But the things I would work on are things that kinda take command of his anxiety. So things that bring him confidence. And for a lot of dogs. That's doing things that they're good at. So I always say like agility and exercise sports can be really empowering for dogs that need to build confidence. But obedience is really a great confidence builder. So this is something that you can do at home in a controlled environment and really practice in work, those kind of things and teaching quiet calm behavior. So a lot of people teach us settle command or a place command. And that is. Is something that you practicing reward and reward in reward. And then eventually once we get that down to a mastering then we can go out into slightly stimulating situations and try to test that and that might be only outside on the leash with a dog. You know, two blocks down the way that he can see nothing that's going to be too close up front. But that that would be kind of my prescription for working on that. Now that may mean getting a personal trainer to actually help you especially with you know, aggression issues. It can be tricky. The other thing is that the are some dogs that having zainy components that I find that anti anxiety. Medications can be part of how we approach this. But I always like to get a behaviorist to do if I wish in before we start any medicine because it does kind of alter their personality and responsiveness. So we wanna make sure that behavioral gets good evaluation beforehand. But that might be something we need to look at like, Dougie, Prozac or clip remain or something to help them. Just. Be a little more chill with those things that are unusual noisy or kind of upsetting to him. Okay. Well, that sounds great. We're on the training at home. And if that, you know isn't successful than maybe like you said get a personal trainer and Mt. What we can do in finding some other opportunities to burn off his energy interfere loves running at the dog park. Doggy treadmills are something you can train them to in the home. I have a one of my doctor friend's here. She has a treadmill for her large boxer mix at home, and it just just kind of takes a little off. So that he's not eating things around the house. So I didn't even know that was the thing. I'll look into them. Yes. Yes. Well, good luck with things and give us a follow up. If you have any questions the calls by now, one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five is the number to Dr Deb, your joy Valenti, and you can ask your questions from the free radio app for iphone, Android, blackberry. Will this delectable delicious serve Anibal radios? Brought to you by the grain free red barn. Naturals K and food for dogs and cats always made in the USA with natural functional ingredients to support your pets optimal health. You can learn more at red Bard Inc dot com. Can thanks red barn for underwriting animal radium. You're listening to animal radio phones are open at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Hi, this is an chef cat Cora on animal radio lease pack. Hi, it's Al Kibble with another dog tip. Are you thinking of getting a dog? Here's some things to think about before you do it firstly. Are you out of the house a lot? Do you work all the time give the idea of getting a dog some thought if you're in that situation? I mean, put yourself in the dog shoes. Imagine being locked up all alone all day with well, nobody to play with there are some dogs that like to lay around a lot in their less active, but most dogs need exercise. They need playtime and interaction sometimes folks don't think about it. But dogs are living things, and you can't turn them on and off when you want to like your TV when you get one you're making a major commitment to spend. I don't know the next thirteen to sixteen years of your life committed to a living thing making sure it has a good life. I bring this up because a lot of folks go out and get dogs without actually knowing what they're in for and again, educations your most powerful tool. You should read up. Ask yourself why you wanna dog and make a list of all the reasons then look your list over closely. And if you still think you wanna dog because you'd be a great dog parent and enjoy satisfying your dogs needs. Decide whether or not you wanna puppy or an adult dog puppies have lots of needs. They need exercise. They need to be around lots of people in lots of other dogs. They're learning about the world, and it's up to you to show it to them. Plus, you got potty train them teach him what not to chew on. In fact, you gotta teach him all the rules in ropes adult dogs, usually are a lot less work and a lot more mellow too. In fact, it's possible to get a rescue dog and adult dog that requires very little maybe just a good long walk every day and some affection the one thing you don't want to do is bring a dog home and being for lots of surprises. Not know what to expect, you know, stuff like finding your favorite shoes toot up or the drapes pulled down carpet pulled up door chewed up. I've seen it all you would not believe the destruction that a dog can do to your house. So before you get a dog think long and hard make a list and do a lot of research and reading so that you both can be happy. I'll tell you this much. There's nothing more rewarding than having a dog. They're incredibly loyal. They're always happy to see. They never lied to you. And they give you unconditional love. People say less is more at red barn. 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You'll actually have to build a third closet for your sheets now to turn over his bedroom. You would make Mel the Marcos gel in me. Yeah. The Italian in me, you know. Got a question. We got an answer. Well, not necessarily I'll make it up. I want to send you knew picture because my picture on animal radio is a good old like a hundred and ten pounds heavier. You know, why was going to mention that? When I sent that picture. I thought I looked good now I look back ago. My God, I was fat. He's got one of mine from two thousand five when I weighed two hundred pounds, and he still hasn't taken it down. I've asked him agree to I'll tell you that. He's that way. You know, if you ask them nicely. He'll change the pictures because I want mine change to joy, it's we'll do it together. There's two of us now. Now, they're going to have to change it. And you know, Joey shoes look really dated in that photo. Yeah. I think they're so yesterday. What would what how what would a shoes that? We will back day flipflops versus you. Did you ever do that was before my time her shoes? Right. Thank so moccasins. So what do you have coming up on today's show? Well, I'm not all that technology like savvy died, I'm going to talk about how new software an interface, all your grooming and pet services together to give you a pet a really safe and happy experience. How's that? Okay. We're talking software coming up in just a few minutes with Joey Villani, the dogfather Laurie. What are you working on? Rabies is doggone expensive or in this case act catastrophe. You will not believe how expensive rabies can be who would wanna buy rabies. It's. James silly. Okay. That's on the way. Just a few minutes. Let's hit the phones. One eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Hey, john. Hey, how you doing? I'm doing really good. What's going with you today? I got to pug there about thirty pounds the great. But when we get their toenails, clipped, they go crazy. Is it normal for punts? Yes. And they're a force to be reckoned with in the veterinary world, and I'll take a hundred and twenty pound Rottweiler over a pug, bernie'll trim any day. So yeah, they they tend to be really funny about their feet. Now, how how old are your doggies? They're six years old. Have they always been this way? Or is this something they've just kind of developed recently. We always been this way. But it seemed like it's getting worse. Elders. Get the getting more stubborn could be but. But for some reason, they are the the most stinky dogs when it comes to kneel trims in their fairness now nails on pugs do kind of curl in a little bit. So even the process of trimming their nails could be a little bit more upsetting than a regular pets nailed trim. But around our office, they sound like aliens when they're talking it up for the nail trim. I would do my impersonation, but it would sound really freaky. Let's go through. Okay. I'll do my best to hug with a nail trim. Wow. That's. We have a black one fon Munda, but the fawn money's the more. Larry. You know, it's sometimes challenging when you've got an adult dog that already kind of acts this way for Neil trims. But the same kind of training principles still apply that we want to make sure that we make all nail trimming as favourable as possible. So we don't want to hurt him. We don't want them quicked. So in many cases, I'll ask a veterinary professional to get involved or groomer. So that we don't cut them too short and having out she experience, and we need to really make it a super super fun experience. So I pretty much would try constant feeding of treats and in my office will use things like little little dog treats, we'll even pull out some of the Neutra calcium of the calorie paste to distract them. So we want to make it a good experience. And then even at home we would ask to really work on the foot handling. So we don't want a dog that's foot shy. And it's not just pugs but any dog to make Neil terming a favorable thing down the road. Road. We want to teach them handle the toes. So at home, you would just kinda squeeze a little bit on the nails hold their foot, and it's still position and then reward them in and we work on that regularly at home, and that makes that Neil trimming much much easier. If we practice that kind of kind of like, they do with the whales SeaWorld. They ask them to kind of come up on the on the training platform, and they give him treats for showing their their fins, and where they draw blood in. It's the same thing we got a really train dogs to really accept this and to not mind it, and you know, in some dogs occasionally pull out sedatives and tranquilizers if they're just really going to hurt themselves or hurt someone else over the whole event. But for pugs, they are just they are a special kind of dog with Neil trim. So a lot of patience and a lot of positive reinforcement goes a long way. Appreciate your call today. Have a good day. We'll then stimulating portion of animal radio is underwritten by Kensington books, cozy up with your furry friend in a great read something worth saving by sandy ward is a wonderfully touching and surprisingly funny story of a fiercely loyal cat named lily and the unbreakable bond. She shares with her human clever and observant Lilly knows that you don't have to be the biggest or the strongest a fight for the ones you love. You can find something worth saving everywhere books are soul. And learn more at said the ward books dot com. Thank you Kensington for underwriting animal radio. You're listening to animal radio phones are open at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Hi, everybody. This is Lorrie Morgan reminding you to please stay or neuter your pets. Something worth saving by sandy ward is touching at funny exploration of family life as told by a highly perceptive and outspoken narrator named lily who happens to be a cat Vilis of fiercely loyal friend to our humid. So when things start happening in her family, she's ready to step up and prove that she may be tiny. But she's also mighty something worth saving will make you a believer in the deep connection between humans, and they're very friends pick up a copy of something. We're saving today everywhere. Books are sold and visit Cindy ward bookstore com. For more info this animal radio news update. I'm Laurie Brooks compassion for a hungry stray kitten led to a nip on the finger, especially kittens are so bad about that. But he also took a huge chunk out of Jeanette Parker's wallet and Bank account after she cleaned off her wound. She did some research and began worrying about rabies since where she lived in Florida that county had rabies warnings up at the time. So she headed off to her local emergency room where she spent about two hours, which is actually think about it. Pretty good for an emergency room. Right. She's air for about two hours. She gets to different types of injections and an antibiotic, but she never ever even got to talk to a doctor. So it wasn't there. Very long. So she goes home, she's happy. Then she gets the Bill to nets total Bill for that little stray kitten catnip ni- catnip, I guess kept bite forty eight thousand dollars. Can you believe that eight thousand classes and care? She went to a hospital because I mean, she had to be treated for rabies. Okay. Forty eight thousand five hundred twelve dollars when the Bill comes forty six thousand of that a little bit more was for the rabies immune globulin, which is an antibody that kick starts the immune system because it provides protection from rabies until the vaccine that they also give you kicks it now normally rabies treatment, which includes the immune globulin and four doses of the vaccine which are given over a two week period. The normal cost is about three thousand dollars on average. But you know, how it goes each hospital gets to set its own prices, right? So yeah, that's crews Razi they've done a lot of things since then when the Bill came slightly a couple of weeks after that the hospital changed the prices that it charges and it went down significantly tens of thousands of dollars. But they still don't give her a break. So if you ever need rabies treatment, and you know, you don't have time usually to shop around for the best price for something. Like that check with your local health department first to see if it offers rabies treatment and still, you know with a serious disease like rabies that has to be treated. If those services are not immediately available locally at your health department. Don't wait head out to a hospital. Make sure it is in your insurers network. If you can if you have any choice in that. And by the way, it is really important because just last week as a matter of fact, rabid cat in Florida again attacked three other people, including a police officer. Yeah. You know what I do? Okay. Let it run. Its course attack of Hugh people run. Its course jelly your foaming over there. One of the editor. Remember, if it's the vaccine or the globulin wish doctor Debbie were not in the restroom right now. By the way, she's been in there for a long time since. Kill you. But one of them is actually made from people who have had the rabies vaccine. Interesting. I thought. Yeah. So is that time of year when kids are choosing the college that they want to go to and now these days, many kids are able to choose a school that will let them bring a pet in fact in Pennsylvania over the last couple of months. Several universities have recently unveiled pet friendly policies, even setting aside a portion of campus housing, so the students can bring their pet with them. There are some typical restrictions. If you're thinking great, my kid gets to take fluffy to school, well, most schools allow dogs under forty pounds over that. They're not too thrilled. They allow cats that are at least six months old. Oh, by the way, let me rephrase that dogs under forty pounds when they're full grown. So don't think that you're going to get a great Dane or a bull mastiff? And it's gonna work because it won't pets at most schools, though, can also not just oxen cats, but can include a rabbit hamsters chinchillas gerbils, Guinea, pigs or even rats, but not normally for most schools, not reptiles or anything with feathers. And I assume that has to do with respiratory diseases. That can be carried with birds. Also, a few dog breeds are excluded from a lot of campuses. And normally that's rottweilers pit bulls German shepherds, and even sometimes Dalmatians there's a former NASA employees up in Portland, Oregon who is now raising money to send the Cremades of his pet cat into space. What an incredible idea. Maybe maybe you don't have to have worked at NASA to do this. But Steve Munt did retire from his job at NASA. And then he began studying animal nutrition, he knows an animal lover retired. He gets to own seven cats will his warns tab. He named Pika chew died from pancreatitis few months ago. I think it was January was so far. He's raised fourteen hundred dollars of the five thousand dollar cost to put Pika chew into space. There is a company called Celestis, which is going to do the blast off into orbit. It says the P Q is going to be the first cat that it's memorialize this way. But every day we're coming up with new ways to remember our pets. So Mark that one of the first one this is the first off in the space for five this company will have done. Okay. But I mean, I don't know maybe we should call Ilan mosque or SpaceX and see if they've done cool way to. Memorial. I'm Laurie Brooks, get more breaking animal news anytime. We've always got it animal radio dot com. This has been an animal radio news update. Get more at animal radio dot com. Live at the red barn studios. You're listening to animal radio. Here's how and Judy. Well, Judy if you think your shoe collection is huge you should check out dogfather, Joey Villani, I believe you have your own walk in closet for just the shoes. I actually have to walk in causes. Serious one for close and one for shoes. Wow. I I do have oughta shoes. Let's put it that way. Hugh's. The me. Have you ever seen him wear the same shoes more than once think about that? For a second. Never the strange conversation is hey so again this past weekend. This is my active season at least twice a month every weekend and one the road doing some sort of pet events speaking judging something, but there was something I found really really interesting, and it's not just one company, but it's a bunch of companies and what they're doing is. They're linking all the pets services together. And what I mean is this? So if you go to a groomer, they're linking the groomer the veterinarian the dog Walker the day care, and if you'll within their systems, so let's just say that Judy. Okay. I know you do a lot of dog walking. So let's say that you accompany is linked. With the people who where they have their dog. Groom so Fluffy's groomed up the street that snipping clip you walk the dog. They go to Dr I'm Debbie you guys now all linked together. So you guys can talk and communicate in a good thing about this pet owner is, you know, golf a bit of something happens, and I'm just going to strictly talk about pet grooming because that's my, you know, foot say something happens in grooming, salon. Well, you know, you have now a community of people who can help you can't get a hold of the pet owner. So let's just say there's an incidents. Okay. We know Fluffy's veterinarian is we can get to them immediately. Because they apart of this tracking system if there's an emergency. We can get your contact them emergency people immediately, and it's all interface. It's really good stuff the company that that I that I and I have known Lincoln. But I do want to mention it because it was quite amazing was called babble balk. And as a pet owner, you can, you know, get on this system, and and and and try to integrate, you know, you'll groom you train a you of dog. Walk your veterinarian, whatever whatever services that you have a good network to have. And it's also more is on the dog in case the dog Walker notices something the groomer noticed something someone else notices something about the Doug got everybody working together. I think that's great network, except you're going to have the privacy people either the people that really re- really respect their privacy. Don't want that kind of tracking. I mean, really that kind of data what kind of animals you have the size. What they eat who takes care of them is data that could be sold to and that is being sold. Right. And I'm sure it listen. I I am sure that that is probably the, you know, the big picture and all this which but that's not the pitcher that that I'm looking at. But but I agree with you. How one hundred ten percent. But what I'm looking at is this now, I'm looking at the. As a groom. So that's why I'm actually putting in as my tip most. Whoa. I'm gonna take. I think it's everywhere. But I'm not I'm not sure, but most places that I've done seminars and have them seminars in almost every state in the US. They require rabies vaccinations in order to get licensed to you know, to own your pet so in grooming salon. There's a lot of times where it falls through the cracks in this situation. Just something so simple weakened tan. Stay on top of if the pet is up to date on vaccinations, and what you know, maybe the dog was just treated full kennel, cough was something like that. Now, what I can do is I can interface with the veterinarian say, listen, I have fluffy here, fluffy Jones and dog seems to be coughing a little bit has it seen you recently in say yeah, red flag. You know, this dog is still contagious. You need to get it out of the out of your song. Call the pet owner right away. So this is all really really good stuff that. The way I'm looking at it because if keeps the other people's pets safe and keep not only that keeps you pet safe as well. If if things that you feel about like, vaccinations, or whatever you want it to be you cannot tell you groomer or anyone that's on the system. You know, what keep me abreast of what I need to do. You know, when I need to go for my next checkup. My next appointment. Good technology if it's used properly. If you've ever shared, your home and heart with a charmingly naughty animal who's always up to mischief you'll fall in love with macgyver. The matchmaking klepto kitty in the secret life of MAC by Melinda. Metz Larry and heartwarming this possum romantic comedy. We'll have you laughing out loud as MAC that leaving tabbies deals, your heart. The secret life of MAC by Melinda. Metz is on sale now everywhere books are sold. Visit Kensington books dot com. For more info. You're listening to animal radio phones are open at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five will this portion of available radio is underwritten in part by Schmidt's naturals, smells, seriously, amazing support capable conservation with Schmidt's special edition lily of the valley, natural Yoder it. It was created in clever with the Jane Goodall institute in five percent of each purchase supports animals in the wild. It's available now at whole foods markets and Schmitz. Com and thanks Schmitz for underwriting, animal radio fi. Who is this? Hey, casey. How you doing? Devin year old moon healer German shepherd mix and about a week ago. She's come up developed a spot on her right rear hip. And it it just he's scratched at it for a day or so, and it sounds small, but she's not expected any longer, but still just all Bishop peace, and you know, by week, maybe a week and a half down the road. Now does seem to be moving more getting worse. And so she's pretty bothered by originally though. Yeah. In fact, when I noticed it, you know, a lot of dogging scratch Montebello kick their legs. Never been wanting to do that. And she had there for just a couple of days when I knows that ball Bonder skin kinda crawl when you gonna you know, better grocer back. And all that stop within just a couple of days but the ball, but still there. Right. Where what did you say? You were calling from Casey, Dallas, Texas, Dallas, right and has Casey ever had any kind of skin problems in the past that you can ever recall. No. She never had never has. All right. Well, that scratch reflects that you're describing we look for that a lot of times with dogs as a sign of having intense itching, and that can definitely be from a wad of different things. Whether we're talking about an allergy or an infection. And I guess I'd have one more question for you kind of before we're going further is has Casey had any kind of vaccinations, recently, any kind of shots of any sort. No, she hasn't had a rabies shot about three months ago three months ago threes, and I asked that is just there is an occasional situation. Where can have a little bald spot that develops at the site of the rabies shots or some other vaccines can happen with other injections as well. But sometimes we'll see that on the right lane because a lot of veterinaries give the rabies shot in that area. So that's a possibility. But gosh, I just don't think that would really make Casey very itchy scratchy. And you're you're calling from Texas, but you travel to other states as well. Drive a truck. She gets all over the country. So naturally, she's exposed to a lot of different things. And that's the other thing is that, you know, you're going through so many different states. And in Texas. There's a lot of problems with fleas and a lot of potentials for parasites. So things such even as ticks, and those definitely cause some problems where we can see itching and scratching the other potentials we could have even like a hot spot and are have you ever heard of that before? Yeah, I've heard of it never been built with it. But it's kind of interesting things, and it's kind of layman's term, and you know, it's mostly we we describe it saying like it's a hot area, you know, as hot with inflammation or infection. And sometimes that truly is the case with a hot spot. We can actually see that from an infection or an allergy that starts it off in at scenario where the pet is very scratchy, very itchy. We'll even see some moist crusting in the area. So you know, you kind of look at it. It's like a big scabby area in the here might even come out of that. Area very easily with just mild plucking. So that might be something. If that's like he's we really need to get on some antibiotics see about getting that area cleaned up. You know, maybe some Medicated shampoos. So I don't know if you have that ability is is Casey pretty much up for any kind of a bathing any kind of topical things. Have you ever had to try that before? Really any sort of issues whatsoever. But he, you know, he'll take the past balmy to find all that. I don't know. I guess my question was this something you'd recommend. I go ahead and take her into a veternarian forum. Absolutely. I think this is, you know, especially since you described that was bothering her so bad anything that starts off that way, you know, when our pet start telling us in in having such a drastic change in their behavior, you know, focusing on that area. Then I'd say, yeah, definitely there's something that we need to address. And hopefully, it's just something where we can try with antibiotics or anti itching. Allergy medicines are so many things that we have out there that we can help. So I would say definitely that'd be the first step and the from there. I would definitely look to see if there's anything parasite wise, and I'm assuming with Casey, you're traveling. She on her own prevention and flea and tick prevention. About really on anything. She developed this. We had just left the house out to Mexico at I thought it might have been a somewhere she got much protein or something a lot of times for all. She gets AAC. What I eat rather than Dow Puccio lead a lot of faith. And I want to hear about that. That's that's like ringing in veterinary ears right now. But actually did say when you said one thing when when you said, she's not really on any hardware prevention, and I've got to stop you. They are in. I'm going to be a crusader for Casey's health right now. And I think you really need to see about getting around prevention. So go get that skin thing looked at but heart worm diseases carried by mosquitoes. This is peak season pretty much every state has it and all it takes one bite of a mosquito pass that so I would definitely encourage, you know, you call about the skin thing, but I'm gonna put my commercial in for her and to make sure we keep her healthy and protected so we're gonna do. This portion of animal radio is underwritten by Kensington books. Inspired by true stories of cats who've been caught stealing. Yes. Stealing from their humans. The secret. Life of MAC by Melinda. Metz is a hilarious in heart warming novel about an adorable klepto kitty with a passion for thievery the sideline in helping the humans in his life. Find the love they deserve the secret. Life of MAC by Melinda. Metz is available everywhere. Books are sold. You can learn more at Kensington bookstore dot com, and thanks Kensington for underwriting animal radio. You're listening to animal radio phones are open at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. People say less is more at red barn. We think less is better. It's what you won't find that sets are natural premium petfood apart. No, byproducts, no, corn or soy, no fillers. Just a natural ingredients your pets need to live the healthy life. They deserve. Look at the label. We want you to read bar naturals pet food. Simply the best find it in your local pet. Specialty store. Giant grain free rolled food. It's protein packed with less risk of food sensitivity. Celebrating the connection with our pets. This is animal radio featuring veterinarian, Dr Debbie white groomer, Joey Villani, news director Lorie Brooks. And now from the red barn studios. Here are your hosts Hal rooms and Judy Francis. Thank you so much big. I appreciate it. Here's the number one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five on the other end of that phone right now is Judy Francis. Or we call her Saint Francis around here, and she is screaming your calls to talk to Dr Debbie or Joey Villani. Why do you have to screen? We don't really have to screen calls. Can we just put them live on the air? Do we have to we have to screen them? Okay. Screen them. Trust me you. Yeah. Okay. Firing. If I let go. Thrill you'd be surprised, and you know, the days long ago when I was first in practice. I used to take a cell phone calls in the middle of the night for emerging in. You would not believe that the many people that would call in wake up a veterinary professional at like midnight or one AM to say, hey, what time can I come pick up? My medication war. Joe ease refill. Oh, no. Where you know. My dog's not really eating can I give him chicken and rice, and yet the so there's all sorts of things that may not rise the level of something that's really worthy of say an emergency aura full conversation may be out. So you understand why we have to screen your calls here. It's one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five if you wanna talk to Dr Debbie right now, a Lorie Brooks. She does news at the bottom of the hour. Well, there's another famous face joining the foray into CBD oils, and this one wants to make some for pets. Your eyes are rolling once again, doctor did and again. Hey, chris. How're you doing? I'm doing good guys. How are you? Good. Where you calling from today. Alpine California alpine. Okay. I love that area down by San Diego. Correct. Okay. So what's going on? How can we help you? Well, I have a two and a half year old English lab black. His name is Wally and for the past couple of weeks Wally has decided that he wants to coop in the house. The only thing that I can think of you know, as far as like changes around the house that we've made we've good half to move his crate from one side of the living room to another and he's pretty much free to come and go out of the crate as he wants to. But you know, and and we have a visitor in town, my mother-in-law's here visiting and so, you know, other than that, they're not really anything. That's changed. But he will just you know, he doesn't give us any sign that he wants to get. Outside and go use bathroom, and we're not looking he'll find a spot normally right in the middle of the floor and take care of his business. And then going to look at us like, you know, what did I do? So interesting. So does he have how does he go to the bathroom? Does. He grew doggy door that you have to let him out when he goes. No, we we take him out. We live in a condo. So you know, we go and walk in pretty good and we've got several green common areas. And then, you know, we walk up and down the street, and, you know, get them to stretch his legs out and sometimes we'll take them out. So the grass pulled his leash off and just let him like run around in circles, if you times, you know, burn off some energy in suggests this the accidents does that coincide with when your mother in law has been visiting them pretty close to it. Yeah. No. She's she's a great woman. You know? I don't want to get myself in trouble years. Absolutely not. I'm calling you here because I'm not even you even go there. But guess what? I was going to get at is that anytime there is a major change in household schedules. Anything that could be perceived as a stressor to a dog and a stress is something that alters the way that they perceive or that they feel that they can move about within their environment. So that certainly could have some role that combined with changing the location of the crate where he resides, so certainly can't. So that made me, and we need to really look at his overall what he's telling us if he doesn't signal. Well, when he needs to go to the bathroom, that's one thing that we can start to try to work on hopefully, this, you know, once your visitor leaves, hopefully the poop in problem will go away. But if it doesn't than in actually can just kind of trigger this type of problem, so knowing we have a stressor things -iety dogs don't know what to do. So they fall out of their habits. And we're more. Likely to see a problem with house training. He will normally let us know if he's gotta go. He he has a way of kind of gently nudging are hand kind of grabbing our hand with his teeth. But not really by you know, she's kind of like, okay, it's time to go. He he really hasn't given us those signals like he normally does he just, you know. And this is when we have a change in the household. There's different things going on. So there's a different pattern of our behavior. What we may notice what we may recognize. So a lot of this is also addressing our own behaviour. So if you have our guest in you're having something like this than it does mean addressing some of those basic house house trained in skills in going back to square one. So, you know, making sure we are setting up special time where he can go outside without soliciting in asking for it. And you know, making sure that he is feeling included. So that, you know, we're not if we're all we're doing is visiting with our visitor, and we're not paying attention to him. We don't want to say that he's feeling bad or feeling like he's left out because then we put human emotions on it. But we've maybe more art to see some stress anxiety behaviors. So so so that's definitely and since you are in an appoint apartments, if this was a home, and he was doing that. And he still say had a doggy door access. I was still say take him on that leave and take them outside. And positive rewards. You know, when he does a potty on outside and really make it a big deal and that he's doing the right thing in the right location. And this is what makes me happy and stressed that and not so much when he has his failure. Because we don't really want it well on that because that actually can amplify a dog. That's having some anxiety over situation. And so that certainly would be the better approach with that. And and then make sure you are the areas that he is doing this. Make sure that we are using a good enzyme based cleaner to take that sent out because that is a very important part of things because there are some that when they have anxiety in they feel unsure about things they will actually defecate in the close environment because that is where they feel safe that's their homes. Oh, so for any reason he's feeling less than safe right now. You know, we wanna make sure that we're also working on his confidence in his basically has self esteem. If you will. So you know allowing him to do. Things that give him satisfaction in that he can succeed at. So if he likes to retrieve throw the ball have him give it back to you some dogs. Just physical mediums is a real reasserting on a daily basis, I'm going to request you to do this. And you do this. And you get a reward you get love, and that's just one of those things that just helps give them confidence that they're they're learning a skill. They're challenging their mind and really can make them feel more complete awesome. All right. I appreciate the advice guys. Thanks for listening. We appreciate your call toll free at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five good luck with the mother law. I know when my mother-in-law's entail. I just I get nervous and the dog picks up on that. But I try to hide it. But the dog is just smart. And so hopefully, that's not your situation. Sounds like you get along with your mother in law. Right. Yeah. Absolutely. He says with confidence. There you go. Let's head back to the phones. Thanks for calling. We'll this portion of animal radio is underwritten by embrace pet insurance providing knows detail accident and illness coverage for your dog or cat. It can be customized to fit your budget and needs simply take your dog or cat to eighty submit a claim form and get reimbursed quickly. You can learn more at embraced pen insurance dot com to get a quote in. Thanks embrace for underwriting animal radio. Let's go ahead and take another one for Dr Debbie, we have Diane. Hi, diane. How are you? Today. Good. Where are you calling from Orlando, Florida Orlando? Okay. How can we help you? I found kitten of female kitten, and we brought her in the house because it was wintertime winter for Florida, and she stayed here for a while. Actually, she's living here. Now was named her spare kitty, but spirit Titi has swollen glands. It feel like that looked like the mumps, and I know what to do about it. Okay. So she's about how old right now. Then while she's had her first heat. So I think it she might be about six or seven months old. Okay. And is she feeling sickly in any way? No, she she's very healthy. She's active. She bounces around. Okay. Got. Okay. Well, we have swollen lymph nodes especially in the neck area. A couple of things do come to mind. One of the first things I think of in kittens of about the is between three and seven months of age is they can get kind of strep infection in it's called juvenile streptococcal lymphatic night as if that's not a mouthful than than I don't know. But the basically it starts as a strep infection that they get in the tonsils and it works its way to the lymph nodes in the neck. So that certainly could be possibility there among other things. So other things in kittens that will cause they're lymph nodes to be enlarged can be some viral diseases like feeling Kimia. We can also see bacterial infections like bartonella, which are associated with cat, scratch fever. So any of these things I think are going to really justify a trip for your veterinary. And so we can get her checked out. And that might be something as I starting with getting her viral tested as well, as you know, getting a sample from the lymph node because that can tell us. A lot there. But for a lot of those things if we're not dealing with the viral thing, and we're talking about getting antibiotics and getting her treated appropriately. So that that I feel pretty favorable about that. And then we need to get this gal spayed my goodness. Oh, I know. I thought she was an older cat when I first brought on. But I went to give her to some friends because they wanted to see her for the weekends pen. When I did that she went into eat mice. I this is not a cat. Great that you took her in. But yeah, let's get her into the vet, and we can get all that team care of pre pretty easily. If it is what I think it is. Yes. Okay. Good. You're listening to animal radio phones are open at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. And now an animal radio news brief, well, we all know that birds sing, but did you know that mice do as well, and they do it to protect themselves. So they must sing really bad or it's the same tune over and over and over again, but anyone with pet rats or mice know that they make all kinds of weird vocalisations, and of course, most species on the planet do, but when it comes to defending their territories birds tend to scream and not saying so it turns out that at least some mice do sing songs. Consist of a set of rapidly. Repeated notes called trills and notes are produced each time in animal open and closes its tiny mouth. That's about fifteen times per second. The songs vary. So mice live in the jungle of the Amazon may sound one way mice in Detroit. They've also been studied they sound another way. And I'm not really sure how mice and L A might. But next time you hear a mouse saying you're going to know why. This has been an animal radio news briefs. Get more at animal radio dot pen. Do you travel with your dog? Of course, my pets are part of our family me too. I take daisy with me everywhere. Right. Daisy too. How do you find out what hotels? Welcome you're dawn. I read Fido friendly, the traveling lifestyle magazine for you and your dog sounds perfect for planning our next vacation, right? Daisy. It is their motto is leave no dog behind and they have great hotel in destination reviews. Where can I find the magazine? Go online to Fido friendly dot com. I will for sure come on. We're off to find our next adventure. You're listening to animal radio bones are open at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. It's radio. We love our pets here in edible radio. They eat better than us. We worship them. They're all our screen little. Little better supplements than us. And I think my dog has more clothes than I do. I think you're right on that. Surely, not as many shoes as joy Villani has in his to shoe closets. So we're a little crazy about our animals. And if you are, well, then this is your show, and we'd love to hear from you one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five and here's a little handy tip. If you can't get through on the phones right now. You're busy right now. You can download the animal radio app and ask you questions right from the animal radio app. Just like that it is for Android, iphone, and blackberry in it's free. Go download it now and another beautiful thing about the app is if there's ever a recall food recall, and you know, in the food business, there's a lot of recalls, the you'll find out I with the animal radio app, we send notifications to you. As soon as we find out about a recall and their free. So download that app right now actually know what that's ended a little rough. You don't have to go. Download it. Now, you can download it later. I didn't mean to be that wasn't a command yet, certainly not just a suggestion. What are you working on Lori? Well, there was a very civilized country. Not like some off the wall place that recently took a family's pet and sold it online. I heard about this. Yes, they thought they were right? They maintain their right? It was it's mind boggling. Yeah. We'll case dick around for that story. It's about ten minutes away. Cindy, how you doing city. Good where you calling from. You got one of those new Sports Illustrated phones, didn't you for a subscription? Didn't you? Where where are you calling from again? Stillwater oklahoma. I drove through there. Once you live there. Outside of town near. Yes. Okay. What's going on with your animal? I have the dock here in the train or we're all here for you. Well, I've got a he's about a four five year old pit bull that I've I read your that rescue animals, and I've had locked them spayed neutered at this is the first one that I've ever had murdered that he's growing up larger now than he was before heading neutered. Wow. Okay. Just rate in screwed elyria. Yes. Okay. And how long ago did he have surgery? I'm may okay. Is it getting bigger or did it get to like a big size and how how big are we talking? I mean, we're talking he fruits oranges. Softballs? That clearly. Yeah. Okay. And she told me, you know, that it happens sometimes and they're put some EMS. Oh, furious on it. But I've done that and done it, and it's still not going down. And he licks it off as this about as soon as I put it on there. So. You know, the first thing is he can't be Licken because we need to make sure this boy is in one of those lovely Elizabethan collars has with a scrotal hematoma. So basically when this happens in male dogs testicles are removed, but either because of a bleeding tendency small blood vessels that kind of choose to keep on bleeding after surgery or even some drugs can that are used for pain relief. And sometimes alter the ability to clot in. When that happens, we can get this very large buildup of blood in the scrotum, and sometimes that can be painful so for some of these dogs, they do need pain medications. We may decide to put him on antibiotics if they're the incision decides to open up at all. But it it does really require some supervision by the vet. So I'd make sure they put their eyeballs on this in it's not terribly common. So when I do see this happen, sometimes, you know, the first instinct to say, oh my. Bosch the surgery. Holy cow. And you know, before I rush rush to judgment. There are these other factors in sometimes pit bulls. Believe it or not can be a dog where I do see a tendency for some types of problems. They can't have a tendency for some types of EMF infection, some parasitic infections, actually that can alter their blood coagulation their cladding so in some areas of the country if you have ticks it might be worthwhile. Having him check for some tick borne diseases. Most of those can be treated with antibiotics if that's the case. So that's where I just want to get an eyeball on them. And in other cases, it's just like I said pain management and tincture of time the swellings as long as they're not getting bigger it can take two weeks three weeks for really for this to to go down. It looks horrible cozy feeling overall with that. Okay. You seems as if you know, everything else is, okay. He other than you know, just the way looks the acts on. Yeah. He had some bleeding afterwards. And I did have to take him back up there. And they did wrapping up for the night. Maybe that's part of it. Like you said. Yeah. In iphone through the years at every pets different. But sometimes I'll encounter a non steroidal pain reliever that we use for pain relief. And in some patients, it may cause them to bleed more just like my father who's on aspirin and blood thinners. And you know, he he gets poked with something. And you know, we've got a bleeding mess. And it's kind of like the e r when we go out in public where always wringing bandaids stick out on them. Just to try to stop the bleeding. So just to kind of relieve him until I can getting back to the vet anything. I can put on him or hitting the biggest thing is keeping him in we from that. So if you can get an Elizabethan collar without going to the vet you can check your pet stores feed stores that might be one thing. But as I pain relief, you you really got to get to the vet because I would be hesitant to tell you any over the counter pain relievers. If he's already having a bleeding issue. So I would see your vet for the pain relievers. That's gonna be the best way some doggies, you know, if he's really anxious or uncomfortable. He can get freaked out by this. So sometimes I'll use tranquilizers too. So, but that to opinion, you're going to need to talk to your vet and see them for that. Okay. Okay. I will. Thank you very much valued help pay for listening. Cindy, linens knew how that goes one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five toll free to our dream team. That's my dog. Annie, she's healthy now. But recently, she broke her leg, and I had to rush her to the vet, thankfully, she's protected by embraced pen insurance. They covered her surgery and reimbursed the clean quickly embrace offers one simple plan for unexpected accidents illnesses that you can personalize to fit your budget to learn more. Visit embraced pet insurance dot com to get a free quote policies. Underwritten by licensed insurer of American modern insurance group coverage subject to policy, terms and conditions. Visit embrace bed insurance dot com. For coverage. Details. Reminding you to stay in new your pets. Checkout animal radio highlights all the good stuff without the bla-bla-bla rows on over to animal radio dot pet. This is an animal radio news update. I'm Laurie Brooks. Well, celebrities have gone into the cannabis business. You know, what be Goldberg snoop Dogg Melissa Ethridge the list goes on. Now, we hear that. Martha Stewart is too she's teamed up with a Canadian company to create and promote new line of hemp based CBD products. And this company says it Martha's going to have an advisory role as well as the cyst with the development and brand positioning. Because Martha does it all of a new line of CBD products for humans and for animals, Dr Debbie sit down seventy seven year old that Martha is seventy seven. Can you believe that I had no clue I thought maybe sixty two years. So yeah, she is so cool when I saw her team up with snoop guy. I'm like, okay. You got me back. She she is pretty hip. She is. She says delighted to establish this partnership and share with them the knowledge that she has gained after years of experience. I love this years of experience in the subject of living. That's martha. And she had said she is his specially looking forward to their first collaboration, which they will offer sensible products for pets does when he that. She's in a she's an expert in CBD them is. Expert things you're exactly I heard that she went up there and toward the Canadian nursery or smoker, Riano what you call it where you grow it. And she taught them about how to properly smell a plant. I don't know how you'd do that, I'm a gardener. But I thought it was pretty funny. Very martha. You gotta love her. There's a town in Germany. The town is called all land spelled H L E N. They have been in the news. They are defending their decision to seize an indebted families pet pug and sell it on EBay because they say it was their last resort. They basically claim they didn't have a choice because they say they were unable to find anything else from the family who had all these back taxes to pay who said there was nothing else that they had left that had an value. So they took their dog. The town's treasurer said that the seizure of the dog was legal and only happened after other non essential household goods had been taken. So this is pretty crappy. Sorry, that's just raw take a family member. Whether they be four legged or two bigoted and hold them as ransom and try to sell. It wasn't even ransom wasn't ransom dog is gone. I mean, that's why. You know here. Even in America. We treat them like furniture their property our property, and we got to change that. So this can't happen anymore is a step worse than that. This is saying that your dog is a piece of item that we're going to cash in. And I think that's you know, there's other types of debt collection and bankruptcy. There's no reason to take someone's beloved pet. I wanna point out that they didn't pay their debts. That's why they had the dog taken. They didn't pay taxes including dog tax. So right, something we don't have here in the United States a dog tax. Well, we have tags in licensed. That's kind of a dog Tatchell. I guess you're right now respect. Dog. Her name was Atta she's a little black pug, and in the city shook it because like you said how they didn't have enough money to pay their back taxes or their dog tax. But they sold the dog EBay, right? They got eight hundred fifty four dollars. I it was actually sold in euros, of course, because it was Germany seven hundred and fifty euros. While I was shocked. That's for they can defend that decision. How can they sleep at night know, I try not to be better in in negative and everything, but I just think karma. How do you get around that one? That's just awful. Hey, when it's time for cats to go to the vet a lot of we can owner struggle with that. It's an easy, and it can be almost impossible to get a cat in a carrier, and that's an already bad start for a car right in vet. Visit that hasn't even begun yet. So there's some new research out. I wanted to share with you that says training your cat. You're not supposed to laugh, but training your cat to use a cat carrier can reduce a catch dress at the vet's office each cat in this study had twenty eight training sessions each lasting about eight minutes and involve the cats getting four traits per minute. So this is heavy on the positive reinforcement. In the study eleven cats were trained to use the cat carrier, and then a control group of eleven cats were not trained, and then all twenty two cats had this mock visit to the vet the results showed training proved to be effective in. Reducing stress during the car ride and also lead to shorter veterinary exams during which the trained cats appeared to be more relaxed. I did think there was one other interesting note in the study here in I'm sure Dr Debbie knows this to be true, they found rectal temperature. Taking of the cats was the part of the vet exam. The cats appeared to dislike the most really. Yeah. It was the only reason why some cats in the study had to have their vet exam stopped early. Well surprise on. And you know, I I love this. And I think it's a great idea. I love when my clients teach their cats accept things, but I think this needs to go even further in you need to train your cat to go into a Curio at other times other than when you go just to the vet because they will associate that curiouser with going to the vet. So it doesn't matter if you're training them if then it's followed by something scary, then they're not necessarily getting the best training out of that. So you treat them put them in the carrier, and then don't go anywhere or go to the Burger King and pick up something and go home, and you never have them removed out of the carrier. So that that goes to the next level where we did is. We took our carrier. We just put it out like it was a piece of furniture. So it's always out, and they can get into it anytime they want, and you know, they think it's door's always open. There's catnip inside. Yup. Great. You know in this study, they said they use an I actually went online and look for them this type of cat carrier, and I couldn't find one. But maybe you've seen them Dr Debbie, it's a two-part hat carrier. And you can it can go in through the door or through the top like a hole in the Trump. And it said that during the exam that the cats all went down under to the bottom part? So is there like a two part cat carrier like that? Well, there's the different access panels. No, there is a kind of cat here that I think is amazing. I've only seen one client habit. It's the kind that collapses all the way down to a flat unit. And that is you talk about getting a candidate cage. We all struggle with that November. It's like it's like the big joke. It's like, okay. We got the cat in the care. Now. How do we get it out of it? But this one particular curious actually all sides kind of full down open flat on the table, and you can examine the cat in their carrier on. That surface. And it's it's definitely less scary. So I wouldn't want your job Dr Debbie, I'll tell you the. Estranged cats that you have to dig in prod and poke in in all of I mean, they gotta get bit. Don't you've you know. You know, count mates happened. Definitely more commonly than dog bites in the veterinary practice, it just things cats are funny. They you know, things that them off a little bit differently. Where you know, if you're working with dogs, you might think, oh, this is good. You know, I I can read this. But you know, there could be one little thing. I'll tell you the worst thing in the veterinary world that will set a cat off his someone is connecting or disconnecting. The are oxygen lines to the anaesthetic machines. And if there's a count in the room in it's being examined, the courtesy is to say, hey, I have this. I'm going to connect. And you know, if you have a cat on table, you don't do that you wait because they don't like it. It sounds like a big and just kind of sends them crazy. So we try to be more thoughtful about cat handling. So we can kind of avoid those bad situations. Cat wrangling. Yeah. So Dr w need to invent a new way to take a cat temperature. Well, they have there's an ear thermometer. But you know, sometimes it's safer to be a the non biting him than sticking something in near the biting. At least in my opinion. Yeah. I I'm going to end this with some I'm determined to do this. Happy news ready, a pet cat who had to flee its home. No other choice because he was trying to escape the wildfires in northern California last year up in the town of paradise. This cat who the family has no clue. How it got out of the house? They had four cats. The cat. Dexter has finally been reunited with his family, which now lives in Missouri. They had not seen Dexter since November when they left paradise. They they fled the area themselves shortly after their house burned to the ground had their other three cats with them, and they had to leave Dexter. They had nowhere to stay no home. They had no idea where Dexter was. They had tried searching. Couldn't find him. Well, deck Dexter. Luckily was taken in by the field haven feline rescue center, which said because. Dexter was micro-chipped. That's why he is now back in the loving arms of his family. And by the way, though, I have goosebumps from this. The rescue says it's work is going to likely continue in that burned out area of the paradise big campfire area up there in northern California. They say they're going to be there for another year. Maybe two years searching because there are about a thousand other cats were still lost out there, some more happy reunions. I'm Laurie Brooks hit more breaking animal news anytime at animal radio dot com. This has been an animal radio news update. Get more at animal radio dot com. You're listening to animal radio. Find us at animal radio dot com. Log on learn more. Today's up. What item you story? I'm Nick miles. The new alpha male Tonelli concept vehicle was shown for the first time ever at the Geneva motor shop from Tonelli concept is where electrification meets beauty and dynamism. They promised a stable full of electrified vehicles. But this will be the first alpha mayo plug in hybrid premium compact SUV for the brand the Tonelli has the distinctive features of Italian style. 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I mean she runs around and runs and just he's not putting the weight on. Other times of the day. Then she's writing with you and just kind of sedentary kind of ROY. Okay. So the big thing I would have to say as being a labrador. Now, I always talked body condition. So numbers to me don't always ring true. But if she's a ninety pound, and you can say as her father, you could say, yeah, she's heavy then then I trust that because the body condition is by far more meaningful than any number on the scale. So if you put your hands on her chest, and you feel like some fatty resistance before you can actually feel ribs. You know, then we then we're talking about. Yeah. Or carrying extra weight there? And if we don't have a nice little in we're turning hip when you look at the top of your dog or the side view then. Yeah. Then we're probably in the overweight category. They're so big challenges for you would be, you know, limiting your calories in an increasing your exercise. So I like the idea that you have tried doing retrieving and playing ball because that is a great way to help expand. Energy. So we want to remember that seem kind of formulas for us about thirty minutes to sixty minutes of continual exercise. So vol playing may not be able to fill up that whole time, but leash walking in other types of physical activities swimming with you wonderful things were. Yeah. And you know, what that's such it. It exhausts them. It really burns up the calories very wonderfully. But calorie-wise we really got to watch what you're putting in in the the dog is Gullit. So if if we need to get on a series weight loss program than I like to go into some of the therapeutic weight loss diets. Are ever spaded and seemed like she put on a lot of weight on right after that. Is that common? Well, we have to remember is basically when you're spaying dog where changing their metabolism. So it can lead to weight gain. If we don't change our feeding habits. So I definitely recommend a pretty much. The day ahead is leaving my office getting spayed. We have that talk about metabolism. And any lady that's gone through menopause or ended up with a hysterectomy. We'll pass that is hard to keep the weight off afterwards, and we can run into that with our dog so June continue to feed her like you did when she was, you know, a young juvenile. We really just have to limit the calories in and make sure that we keep our activity level up, and you know, keep that in mind. So it's not a reason not to say just to know that it can happen. And we just need to kind of get ahead of things before you know, they pack that weight on any one other thing, you might try, you know, even even things to keep her occupied in busy innkeeper, mentally stimulated in the cabin that Trump would be some of the different interactive toys, and you might throw some of her food and into those different little toys, if she's into the Kong toys, there's this. Z buddy is brand in and you can hide the food items in there, and that kind of has to work to get them to fall out of the different toys in Kern keeps them occupied mentally stimulated. And in really, we make it super easy. Putting that food in front of our pets that this is a great way to to make her kind of work for it. If you will. Another question. I have she expects to treat every time. She goes bad. So that's my fault. Because I. Every time she goes to the bathroom. Right. That I get out of the truck and I come back in. You know, I get real a biscuit night used to give her the medium size viscous cutter down to the puppy ones. In the puppy biscuits. And there is something in the puppy viscous that she shouldn't be getting. Okay. Well, here we go to the nitty gritty now that she's comes out Rick now, I know what the problem is definitely she's being over treated, definitely. So I guess that's the first and foremost thing you're doing exactly what my mother did every time the donkey went outside even if it wasn't. He didn't do anything. He would fake to get a cookie. We call them cookie runs in our house because my dog was so smart he'd run out come back and get a cookie. I'm like, mommy, didn't do anything and she'd be like h rely. So so, yeah, definitely I would say want to go to a high fiber biscuit, so puppy, if you're talking small, that's great. But if you're talking made for puppies. Yeah. Those are probably higher calories. And we don't need to go there. We can try substituting other things. So you can try those little fresh baby carrots. That's a great little treat. You know? You can look at her daily food amount. The what's your feeding her and take one Kibble out? And remember that you can't add more in for the day measure out her feeding amount. And if you're giving her piece of goody every time she goes outside. She may not have anything left over to eat at the end of the day. So you may want to re think your reward system. Flicker hop out. Just like a good girl. Good girl. Or something like that. You'll look at me look at the tree box. Look at me and looking at three mile. This is where it takes tough love, and I can tell you. I got those big Brown eyes from my labradors too. I treat them maybe one out of one hundred times when they do something on a command. And that's all it takes. You got some great tips there, some great ideas. Unfortunately, we are out time Rick, but thanks for your call. Well, it's time for us to bales. Let's all the kids are sales day. Now. I never heard that. I'm going to go belt with my dog around the block right now every day. I learn how unhip I am. I think he's making this stuff. 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Animal Radio Episode 998

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Animal Radio Episode 998

"The following program is underwritten in part by Schmidt's naturals, smell seriously, amazing and support animal conservation with Schmidt's special edition lily of the valley natural deodorant created in collaboration with the Jane Goodall institute. Five percent of each purchase goes to animals in the wild. Learn more and pick up your stick now at Schmitz dot com. The following program is also underwritten in part by my dog. Anne, recently, broke her leg. Thankfully, she's protected by embrace pet insurance. Embrace offers one simple plan for unexpected accidents and illnesses to learn more. Visit embraced pet insurance dot com. Policies underwritten by licensed insurer of American modern insurance group coverage subject to policy, terms and conditions. Celebrating the connection with our pets this animal radio featuring your dream team. Veterinarian Dr Debbie, white and groomer joy Villani and hear your host Hal Abramson. Judy francis. Judy his just run into the studio. She's inform me that Justin beavers mom will be on the show today. Mom, Justin beaver. Or beaver beaver beaver sorry beaver not that we didn't try for the. Bieb? Actually, I'd rather speak to to Justin beaver. The other one yesterday. So what what is this all about Judy? Can you imagine living with a beaver in your house? No that would be. I would imagine all the furniture. We'd get shooed us you'd happy. I you would think they would just chewed up everything and and dam up everything that they could find and just. Yeah. So you feel like water? Yeah. Like a kiddie pool in your living. Right guests, our just keep your bathtub full of water for them. So we're going to be talking to someone that actually has a beaver as a pet is it a pet. Well, she's a wildlife rehabilitator. Okay. So she rehabbing number. It's not legal to have a beaver or maybe even a Bieber as a pet. Although. Okay. Question for me. How can we move? We're going to go to the phones for your calls in just a couple of minutes here. But I certainly wanna know what's coming up in the news. And luckily, I have some information for you Rover dot com did your new survey. So it's all with, you know, people who are dog oriented. We'll tell you what they found about those of us who liked to take pictures of our pets. Let's talk to Dale. Hi, dale. How are you? Today. How can we help you? I've talked to Debbie right over here. Yes. Hi, I've got a a FOX your up. It's about oh, fifteen months old. And so friends of ours is over again, they had an Akita puppy, and they were playing pretty rough in the keta puppy. Ran literally just ran ran into the boxer puff in pushed him into captain. And they started favoring his front right leg for quite a while. And I laid him down, and I kind of felt his leg. And check to see if there was any fractures or anything that I could feel of could, you know, feel anything, and it was normal movement in up and down, you know, in a normal position on the leg. So the next day we take into the back is to make sure there wasn't a a simple fracture. They didn't show anything on the x Ray. But to this day, this is of several months back to this day. He'll be he'll favor the lag on occasion. But then when it's almost like when he's. He just has a. A moment where he'll just go run and play like there's nothing wrong with it. I can't figure out why he keeps sparing it in. My bet can't figure it out either. It is a bit of a strange presentation for a limping problem when you talk about a young dog, especially a young large breed dog a couple of things come to mind of types of growth problems that can occur in that can cause a limping problems fishy. An on again off again problem. They're not always typically preceded by an injury. So that kind of confuses the history here a little bit for your baby. But there are some weird conditions. There's one called OCD and another called PANA osteoarthritis and their their common in young large breed dogs, and they're a little bit harder to find because they're not really as obvious as a fracture. So I might say that in your situation. I would encourage maybe a follow up x Ray. And see if there's any changes between those see if we can see if there's some subtle change with the cartilage that maybe as sheared off a defect something that could explain that persistent pain because. Yeah, nothing's broken and he's a youngster. I'm like I can't make. Any other real good reasons why he should be having a problem in that regard? Phone or something, you know on a on a green bone. That's still growing. I didn't know if there could be such thing like a bone bruise. Assists and kind of like inclusion cysts inside the the parts of the long bones. And that might not be something that was readily apparent the first time, you know, right after the injury. But it that's where like shoot another extra at this point might be worthwhile to see because you can't get changes like that in a bone after some kind of injury. So yeah, I mean, I think that would probably be the best thing. I'd encourage it as to just take another peek at it. And then has your has your puppy been on any kind of pain relief to they prescribe an anti inflammatory of any sort? Deployment, tori. So, you know, and that's when you know, it's crazy because after we put him on the anti inflammatory, you know, how many still kind of favorite it for a little while. But then you know, it'd be laying in the next thing. We know, you know, he'll he'll see something he'll jump up and run around like, it's nothing. You know, if if you know, it's like, I told my wife, I wonder if he just he's doing it for simply trip. We say never underestimate the power of adrenaline especially in young dog. Because I I have dogs come to my office, and maybe limping walking at home, and they come in and their tails wagon and their dancing around. So that was it adrenaline kicks in boy. Yeah. That limb can kind of fade away, and you know, they may be thinking about the rabbit there Jason or, you know, the other fun on the other side of the door that they're gonna have if you're actually trade your. You're actually train your dog to lip. I mean, give them. No seriously think if they get the the sympathy vote when they're limping that they might actually do that even. Even. Go to Hollywood we could meet Olympic dog. Movie role. There you go. He can earn his keep that way. Well, I'll take him back in and have another expert x Ray run into soup. Anything else shows? I appreciate it. Thanks for the good work. Thank you. Yes. Oh, so do we for a lot more reasons than you do? Hey, Robert, welcome to the show. How you doing good? I understand you wanna talk to Dr Debbie. I I have a little problem child here. All right. What's going on? Now. Now, we've been working very diligently with our our local vet the number one thing going on is is she's she's going either either before we put her outside or after we bring her by kin and we've tried pro-women. And we checked everything we've checked we've we've had the ultrasound done. We've had led work and your analysis. Everything comes back normal. And we're thinking, this might be a psychological thing. But I was wondering what kind of what kind of dog you got here. I didn't catch that we got terrier and probably adoption. And she's how old I wanna say somewhere in the neighborhood of eleven or twelve years old. And she just clear she's having urine accidents soup accidents. You're an accident. And it's only we we've searched out the possibility of it being accidents. And I just I don't think it's an accident. I I feel like it's being done on purpose. And we don't know why. Okay. So where is she urinating? And is it always in the same place where she moving around. It's pretty much always in the same place at what we do. Now, we have a tile kitchen floor on rainy days, we lay down a blanket on the tile floor. So when they come back in they can wipe their paws, she'll go and like I say sometimes she goes before we let them out if that blanket is lay down there. But what's what's really got me baffled? Is we started pulling the blanket up? And only putting it down. Right when they come back in from outside and all of that stopped. So she's not going on the floor. She's not going anywhere else. But but she continues to if we leave that blanket down there for more than three or four minutes, and and take our eyes off of her. She will go on that Blake before she claims upstairs. Okay. I got you know. All right. I see what's going on here. So I'm glad that you had a very good thorough medical check-up because you know, in a ten year old dog urine accidents can sometimes be a signal of a health problem. I think the reality of what it sounds like you got going on is need to get rid of that blanket man, he need to be drying, these babies feed off of take that blanket and getting rid of it because it could very well be just something as simple as a marking behavior the door is kind of a social area. It's an interactive zone. It's kind of a transition. So it could very well. Be that. It. She saying, hey, this is kind of the entry to my layer. And I'm going to say this is, you know, our territory mightier, Tori, and I'm gonna urinate here. If that is not there, and she doesn't have urine accidents. Elsewhere. I'm really led to believe that's the situation, and you know, I- dogs don't general they're not generally malicious creatures. They're they're very kind hearted animals. They're not like people, we're me. And they don't typically do these kind of things to get us mad or to piss off. It's generally something either medical or something either, social or psychological. So I might be led to believe that you just need to make a decision to get rid of that blanket and know that that's going to be her trigger that may be her preference. That her that substrate that she really likes. And when it's in that right spot. She's gonna urine Mark on it. And if all you gotta do is take that away. Then I think it's an easy solution and as long as she's not having accidents. Elsewhere I'd say, it's a that's a human. All the time. You know? I mean, if she if she if she goes on, the we, you know, it immediately goes out, and and and gets rewatching. And then we, you know, of course. Put it in the first place, you putting it down. There is allowing her that opportunity. It's sitting that environment. Just right. Doesn't matter that you wash it. She's just thankful that yard. You're flushing the toilet for her. That. But we've been doing this in that same routine forever. And it's just been going on old eight or nine months in is it just I just wonder if there was any other kind of a trigger you'd think just. Yeah. This is just mean, everything is just ringing. This is a like I said a social zone where you know. Jogs can vary. Typically, Mark now, another solution ways to maybe work around this. Hey, what about the idea of putting on can out nor met on the opposite side of that door somewhere where the doggies can kind of maybe partially dry their feet. And then if they do she does urinate on that, it's outdoors. It's not such a big deal where you have to worry about that being inside just just a solution. But for me gosh forever. I just get rid of that blanket and return your household to know, hopefully toilet free mess in that zone. 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Because which as is it comes in so handy for so many things with pets. So definitely I've no clue. I guess what are you working on for this hour? Even if there's a lot of information coming about because of California's new law giving judges the power to decide custody in cases of pets. The got me to thinking, and I did some research on this. And I found out how many pets are I guess I should say which kind of pets are most frequently fought about in courts, but it's really oddly skewed. Okay. That's on the way in just a couple of minutes right here and go to the phones Judy which ones. Bringing the longest nine three high Henry. Hi, I have a kind of a geriatric old black cat. He's my favorite cat getting kind of old there. And I noticed that he has a patch on his rear side that doesn't seem to ever heal and it gets bigger and he bites sat at all the time. I noticed so that it kinda recovers never fully when I give him his flea drops for the month. Okay. So it gets better when he is treated for his fleet trip treat, the family actually thinks that it might be dust mites. But you know, I I wanted to get the official Dr. Yeah. It looks bad. But it gets better around the periphery. Definitely, you know, fleas actually are the number one allergenic material forecast. So when they have skin disease in their chewing in scratching approximately eighty percent of the time it's flea allergy disease. So that's the number one thing. So if the flea treatments seems to be helping. Yeah, that could be part of the thing now, whether or not it's mites or something microscopic, you know, possibly is this an indoor Katie or an outdoor kitty indoor and outdoor kitty, you know, he did we're trying to get them to we we have a big house. You know, what I mean, we can't he likes to run? You know what I mean? Inside. But you know, he he gets in announce. Okay. Just because for an older cat. That's indoors mites, aren't terribly common unless there's something else going on. So when they're immunise oppressed or some other disease processes going on, and then maybe we can have a mite problem, but you know, actually, skin disease, an older cats can even occur with health problems like diabetes and thyroid problems. So if this is a geriatric kitty, it might be well worth the trip to the vet to make sure we don't have something like that going on and then really focus on some of the the skin treatments that we might try beyond the fleet treatment. And those might include certainly types of hypoallergenic diets that we can try using in for some kitties. It's really a matter of making sure that all the ins and the outs are good that we're on a good quality diet. We're doing regular grooming procedures, and then, you know, chicken out things like even arthritis in older kitties. It's a subtle silent problem that they don't often. Plane about but I do see cats groom themselves excessively in the hindquarters areas when they are having pain down there. So it can be one of those kind of things that you don't always knew about and cats aren't like dogs. You know, they don't often show like limp that gamp with arthritis in it really has to be detected by an X Ray to see if they've got spinal problems or hip problems. Okay. Thank you so much because that excessive licking, and and that that just that description how he's moving does. Points even without being here. Good. Hey, reaching across those radio waves help our listeners it thank you so much Henry and keep your kitty a could scratch on the head for us. But thank you for your call. This is Dr Debbie with animal radio. We're waiting here at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five God, you're good. This portion of animal radio was underwritten by something worth saving cozy up with your furry friend in a great read something worth saving by saying. 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This is an animal radio news update. I'm Laurie Brooks. Hey, I if you have your cell phone close by I go ahead pick it up in take a quick look at the pictures. You've taken recently, do you? See more pet pictures on there than pictures of your significant other. I think all most of us here have our pets pictures. Yep. The results of a new study for Rover dot com show that sixty five percent of dog owners. Take more pictures of their dogs than of their husbands wives, girlfriends or boyfriends. The study also claims it nearly half of the people polled. Find it harder to leave their dog for a week than it is to leave their human counterpart ninety four percent of dog owners surveyed in this survey say that their dog is part of the family, of course. And here's another that, you can probably relate to fifty six percent of dog moms and dads greet their dog at the door. I when they get home before saying Hello to any. Humans that that might be. I know in my house because certain dogs are harder to ignore than others. Well, see that they're the first ones at the door. How can you norm? They they greet you if my husband would come in greet me at the door. I'd acknowledge him, but my dogs there. Dutch trading. If cater could do backflips that he would do backflips, but he just jumps a lot. And he smiles he curls his lip under in up. And you know, anyone who doesn't know what gets frightening, but he lets his happy. Well, California has enacted a new law that gives judges the power to consider what's in the best interest of pets in divorce cases in you know, instead of treating them as physical property like you would a car or a sofa or refrigerator it allows judges to consider the care of the pet and then create shared custody agreements for the animal the legislator who wrote this Bill before it became law said he was inspired to write it because in the past. There were actually judges who told couples you can sell the dog and split. The proceeds I had to pick my jaw up off the floor. When I read that. So that was his motivation. And this new law means that judges Ken take into consideration factors like who walks feeds and plays with the pet when deciding who the animals should live with permanently. But the law doesn't just apply to dogs. It defines pet as any animal that is community property. And is kept his household pet. And by the way, this was interesting a national survey of divorce lawyers few years ago, it eighty eight percent of pet custody fights were about dogs only five percent about cats. But that survey was done in two thousand twenty fourteen. So I think by now cats have maybe you know, gain some more popularity. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. As in your house, Hal, I know that you would fight tooth and nail for the cats. It would be you know, it'd be like a heck I worship them. And I love that about you. And they worship him. Yeah. Well, losing weight is still one of the most popular changes that people hope to make in the new year. I remember walking into the the office coffee rumor kitchen one year, and there were no donuts or anything for about. Well, probably a month or two you looked in the refrigerator, and it was all healthy Steph one now because you know, this is how people think at the beginning of the year in South Carolina, an animal shelter a had a genius idea to help someone who wanted to lose weight and at the same time help an overweight cat that was in the shelter. So the shelter teamed up with a fitness center to offer free personal training sessions to the human who adopted per Silla now that is Priscilla as P U R S, I L L and that deal with a personal trainer is worth about four hundred bucks and gets Priscilla health minded human to help her lose her extra pounds and gets her new home. I thought that. Was pretty clever. I can tell you're all amuse used. You know, what I'm going through my photos now you still working? Everybody. I'm Laurie Brooks. Get more breaking animal news, anytime an animal radio dot com. I don't think I have one of my spouse phone here did oh. News update. Get more at Etem aradio dot com. You're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. This portion of animal radio is underwritten by Schmidt's naturals, smell seriously, amazing support animal conservation wish mitts special edition lily of the valley natural DOD rent. That's created in collaboration with the Jane Goodall institute and five percent of each purchase supports animals in the wild. You could learn more at Schmitz dot com. And thanks Smits for underwriting animal radio, Carol. Carol welcome to the show. Hello. Are you doing today? I'm doing. Well. Thank you. I have any approximately five maybe six year old mixed dog about forty pounds who was abandoned on my farm. Oh about five years ago, more or less, and she was. She's been mutilating her foot and he had an injury. And I can't get her to stop chewing on that foot. I've tried the bitter apple in other types of things on top of the bandages. She had a pretty severe cut. Which was of course, taken to the veteran. Chew stitched and had all the usual kinds of things having a difficult time getting it healed up because each time she's left alone. And this may be separation issues each time, she's left alone. She starts chewing on it. Version things and that's about worry. This did sustain an injury at some point here for did back in about timber. And we've been working with it ever since was multiple vets and multiple suggestions and whatnot. I'm you kind of reaching my wits end she pretty well amputated as of toes, but it's fine. Once she's this, of course, bandaged padded. But you know, I gotta keep she's actually chewed her toes partially off. Yes. That's correct. Okay. All right. Well, the first thing I'm gonna say is that this is moving out of a category of just say a behavioral problem to something truly medical because there are people who deal dogs that lick their feet chronically create wounds will lick sores or lick granular in those can be very frustrating in their own right because they're from a lot of causes allergies. Mortem OCD conditions. You name it if we're. Actually to that point where she's destroying her own flesh. I'm going to say, we're dealing more with a potential neuropathy pain or some kind of what we'd call up Harris. These ya neuropathic pain is kinda like the nerves been damaged in it causes not a ghost pain, but a pain from the nerves in that area in Pierce. These just kind of like that pins and needles feeling if you sit on your foot, right? So we we know that if there's a chronic or if there's a trauma to a limb these can happen and pets that kind of mutilate their lower limbs after an injury or say a fracture repair, they may be experiencing this in it's hard to know. But if we're seeing that behavior, then it certainly worthwhile to look down that road. Not that just knowing what it might be can correct it because sometimes it is also very hard to stop this behavior. But if I could, you know, suggest some directions one would be you also mentioned some, you know, maybe some separation anxiety. So there could be some. Medication? We'd use four separation anxiety that we'd also use for some of these pain disorders and one is medicine called amateur lean that sometimes I'll use in that's kind of a long term medication and the next medicine that I might pull out of the bag of tricks when be something we use more for some of the nerve pain, and that would be Gabba up Henson. It's often also used for seizures and patients, but those are two of the drugs that I might kinda pull out of my pharmacy. I to try to get to the bottom core behavior of the Pat because nothing you are going to try to put on that is going to help if we're dealing with those situations because it really is, you know, an itching burning it's a it's a sensation. So you can't stop that. Which is the bitter apple so that that would be definitely my encouraging Roach ago there, and unfortunately, some pets if it's really bad, and we lead to more mutilation, you know, sometimes something like a. Linnea? Mutation isn't crazy if it means that we remove that source of chronic pain. But that's the last resort. So, you know, certainly, I would look at some different medication options before we go there an indefinitely long term antibiotics, sometimes are very very important for these wounds when they get them open, and we get different ears of flesh litter expose that that can be also very important to keep on, you know, six weeks eight weeks twelve weeks of antibiotics is not a line for something like this. So. Discouraging. Well, I understand and it's a difficult situation for her because of being abandoned and then each time there's separation issues, and obviously she can't be in the hip talk, you constantly, but she does very well on the with that Linda puts bandaged padded and she runs dumps and chases the other dogs in plays and whatnot. But it could very well be a neuropathy. Situation because she did have an injury. And it took us a little bit to get that healed up. And there was a good possibility of some nerve damage. Bless your heart Carol for taken this baby in because you know, certainly, she's proven she found the right home. And you know, she's going to get the care. She needs so best wishes to you. And thank you for your call. This is Dr Debbie with animal radio. We're waiting here for you at one eight six six four five eight four zero five you're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Jamie farr. You're listening to the animal radio network can be members spay and neuter your pets tonight. Tonight's news headlines. I'm Nick miles. The two thousand nine hundred pilot gets a cool refresh for this year with a more aggressive new remodel front facial rea- facial and some cool carbon carbon-fiber looking decals. 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Okay. There you go. And we thank you. Thank you guys. Could tip a little bit better, though, how how much should you tip grew? Or because I I really don't know how much to tip you how much should you tip? Groom. You know, I'd I'd I that's a really good question as much as possible. How about that? What do you got in your pockets? Okay. When you wouldn't Italian groom will Pat you down. So it's twenty percent. Like is it twenty percent? I would I would. I would. I would I would think so I think so you've been doing this all your life. You should know how much she get tipped. Yeah. Usually Giovanni gets tipped a little bit more. Sometimes so Alani now come on. Well, let's you know, let's be real. I'll be real honest. I didn't know you were supposed to tip your groomer, really know demoss napleton most people do tip me. I don't think that you have to you know, I was raised that if you own the company that you really shouldn't even accept tips. I mean that was just had I don't even know if that's just how I was brought up so as the owner of the company, I won't accept them. But as far as my staff goes now, it's great. I love him to get tips. I guess it's just a hair. Like barber. Yeah. Correct. Barber. Yeah. Oh, I got a really good tip because it was a study that was just recently done in on you know, that grooming. You a pet could Ed long jetty to their life. Now, not dogs those all pets, domesticated pets. They get groomed. So studies would done, and it's not only because of the brushing and combing, and you know, and in keeping hygiene, which that is definitely part of it. It's what you find. When you're doing these things, you know, the lumps the bumps the irritation in an area. Looking in your pets ears just to wipe them out finding ear infections and a lot of people don't realize, you know, how detrimental that can be just a couple of weeks ago. I had a friend called me up. And she was saying that dog's ears didn't smell really all that good. And didn't see anything in. You know, if we talked by Sabrina to the vet, and she took it to the vet, and do, you know the pedal most died within forty eight hours because your infection wasn't seen. But it was in so deep, but again, if she wasn't paying attention to it. And and and she wasn't wiping what she was doing. She was wiping out the year routinely and smell this. So you know, grooming, your pet is is important. And again, it's it's nothing as as it's as easy as just a brush comb going over and paying attention and looking in areas that you don't normally look in a lot of people don't pick up the tail tail dogs, and and and look at their dogs behind. I mean, it's just something. You don't do something that I'd do every single day probably ten fifteen times a day. But a lot of times you find things in areas that you normally wouldn't know check the pads. Look any ears brush comb check on the Dion pits. Check on the detail. You know, if you feel something that's not right have checked out. But grooming could give you a pet longevity. So that's your best friend. Why not give him the once over what a good, grooming? Of course. I have a question for Joey. Sure. And that would is, you know, besides the smell, which gosh, I get so much of with BULLDOGS at you know, Fredo yeasty smell smell. Is there anything else that tips you off Joey when you look in their ears that something might be going on? That's not good. Well, you know, what this is besides discharge discharges easy because you go to see it. But if even if the fleshy color of the ear canal itself doesn't look right. I would have checked out, and you know, in in this day and age, it's it's pet susceptible to so many so many different things when it comes to ears. I find that's one of the things that I think that Marion's have the hardest time curing the problem. It's mainly because it's not kept up with at the home. You know, there's only so much. They could do that needs to be kept up with. But if it doesn't look right if it doesn't smell, right? And of course of this. Charge have taken care of because years are extremely extremely important. And again, like I said I've seen dogs die from bad ear conditions. And you know, it's so something not to play with. Okay. So this makes me ask. What should I be doing at home to care for their ears? Well, you know, just just a normal routine wiping out of the us cannot hurt. And what I would do is is I would either use a cotton ball or a or or a even even a it tissue? And I would dampen it with some which as a which as you can buy an any drugstore usually any supermarket has. And basically was it's an astringent. Okay. And just go in as far as you could see I don't wanna dig in there. I don't want to go in deep. I just want to wipe out the ear canal. And if you know just a little routine dirt comes out, usually you you pretty good. But if you got discharged coming out, then it's time to really see veterinarian. And if it has an odor to it like an odor that just doesn't seem normal. Oh, don't even clean them. Go right to your veterinarian. I don't I sometimes you'll make it worse soup. Bring it bring it to you veterinarian witch Hazel. I never knew what that was four before. I really know something you're right. I never knew what it was what would use for before. It's like ended a pet industry. This is what it's useful because we use it routinely routinely for you can use it on skinnier attentions. Okay. Especially when you clipping dog, and you go a little short, and they get a little irritated. You put that onto the Clinton up almost instantly stuff. I was taught as a teenager to use that on your zits pimple, which. Yeah. Yeah. And I see has drying. Yeah. I like the smell of it. Do you do? I always thought it was like a flavoring white vanilla flavoring for witches to use in their Bruce. You know, oh in their coffee, hazelnut Fazel. There. Poche with frog. Glad step. Yeah. Some people would say I was without now. I in bulldog facial folds to really works for. Yeah. We'll absolutely. Yeah. And any any any areas that go to hold moisture on your pet works? Great. Okay. Why did vice from the dogfather Joey Villani here on animal radio? Do you wanna talk to him? It is easy to do. Toll free at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Do you travel with your dog? Of course, my pets are part of our family me too. I take daisy with me everywhere. Right. Daisy too. How do you find out what hotels? Welcome you're dawn. I read Fido friendly, the traveling lifestyle magazine for you and your dog sounds perfect for planning our next vacation, right? Daisy. It is their motto is leave no dog behind and they have great hotel in destination reviews. Where can I find the magazine? Go online to fight. Oh, friendly dot com. I will for sure come on. We're off to find our next adventure. Celebrating the connection with our pets this animal radio featuring your dream team. Veterinarian Dr Debbie, white and groomer joy Villani and hear your host Halley Rumson duty Francis. If you're listening now, which you are I can guarantee you're listening. Our you not hearing me say, you're listening. Now, you probably have a pet. You might have a dog. You might have a cat. You might have fishy might have horses. But you probably don't have a beaver probably not. They are they're exotic. I don't think it's actually legal to own beavers. No. I don't think. So it's a wild animal, but there are wildlife rehabilitators. Yes. And a few minutes, we're going to talk to the mother of Justin beaver. Who Justin Beaverton McKesson beaver? Apparently. She is rehabbing a beaver among other things. I don't laugh. I mean, I don't know what this all about. Certainly. I won't name is adorable. I lied. Alright. No, I'm not here to judge. But I am here to listen. And find out what Justin beaver is all about. And we'll have Justin Bieber zone. Mom, just a few minutes. I can't even imagine. What what is it ever run around free in the house? The store you come back and your kitchen table would be. On the legs would be gone. I'm going to stick to my cat. My cat is low maintenance. I am a cacti. They don't really chew too much stop. Now, they're not big tours usually associate on the way in just a few minutes. And we're also going to do a check of the news with Lorie Brooks. What are you working on for this hour? You know is admiring your empathy skills how when you're talking about. You're just here to listen and stuff and have you ever thought as an animal lover that you are different from other people, you know, like you feel so much because here harshest aches for these little criteria. Was that just me? No, it's not just, you know, there are others too. But the the amazing thing is that scientists have now discovered what it is this physiological thing in our human bodies that causes this animal craziness animal, love, and empathy. What makes us animal lovers? So I'll share this with you. Because I think is pretty amazing. Okay. I cannot wait to find out. Why I love animals so much. A doctor Debbie is ready to take your calls. So as Joey Villani if you have grooming questions for our. Dogfather call right now toll-free at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five the same number. If you have questions about your beaver, or if you have medical questions for Dr Debbie and don't forget, you can also ask you questions from the free animal radio app for iphone Android impact berry. They make me say that actually I get ten cents every time. I say that. Have a dollar now going to line to. Well. Hi, may Harry, you doing are you very good. What's going on in your world? I've just got a big pack that seems to kind of have dandruff. Not all the time. But from time to time it seems to be clicked a little bit by the top of her tail. You know, where it comes from her body in that area? She's a Siamese cat, and she weighs almost eighteen pounds. A couple of years, but she's not fat. She's just a big tent? Eater as well, exercise and everything, but she's just a big test. I took her in. And when I first got a new said, well, she's not a fact cat. She just a big cat. This is the way some of them are sometimes, you know. A little I I got they put some something on her. I can't even remember what it was. And that it did work. It was very greasy. And it just Ruhr cellphone often. It didn't really work. I was wondering if there's something I can use an hair coast that might help it. Okay. Perhaps. Now, there's a couple of things I want to ask you does. She seem itchy scratchy. Did she have hair loss in any of the areas on her body? No, she doesn't Scott says she doesn't have any hair loss. And I've kind of pulled up perfer and check to she doesn't have any dry spots or dry under their rear to sing. It's kinda like a flaky when I brush her. And I'd take the air off the brush, you can see a little spot of hair. She's a mentor cat, and I'm wondering if maybe it's just a dry skin that she's got. Well, the first thing is when you tell me that you have a Siamese that's eighteen pounds. My BS radar is going on. She's in good weight. 'cause there are not many Siamese, which are fine. Boned lean cast is generally what the breed type is it. So I would buy me. She's partial I think maybe have Siamese. Yeah. Well, we do see especially in the hindquarter area. Right. Over the rump. We do see a problem where overweight cats will commonly get dry skin in that area. And they'll have a lot of flaky nece in part of it is because there are a little bit to round kind of like a weeble the can't turn around and groom that spot very well. So that can definitely play one factor in things. But when we look at what are all the causes of what makes a cat have flaky skin when we look at things like parasites. So you know, perhaps your veterinarian did treat with a topical parasite product. That'd be one of the. Simplest things that I would always start with this to make sure we're doing really good flea control. Because there's also other types of parasites. You can't see like might that can cause flaky nece as well as itching and so forth, so making sure that you've cat. She's an indoor cat all the time understand. Yeah. But they're still keeps them I feel give her the three thing of a wager that he's not an aggressive cat in any way. But she doesn't yell which is really unusual. Dan. What I I've taken to a vet. She was absolutely. But cirque. Some of the things that I would tell you that, you know, we're we think about when we have a cat that has this dry skin. Even though she doesn't go outside as a veterinarian. It's very simple and easy to treat for things. Like might those parasites. You can't see and that is an important thing to make sure you get that kind of knocked off the list of concerns. So if that's what your vet did treat for super if not then I would make sure you you do do that. And then as far as grooming is really a big thing. So you know, we can't replace what it can't does to groom themselves. But if this is possible that she can't reach that area. Then we want to do a good regular grooming on her. So getting down to the level of the skin getting the undercoat out and using a brush or comb to really stimulate the natural oils in those areas because that's part of the benefit of grooming. Does that get rid of the air? And she she tolerates whatever. I in fact, I even cut her nails believe it or not she will very county or what I do that that when you take her into the van. I mean, they need to see your coming in the height because she's. I know counts she hits his and growls and whole nine. Now, you know, so I haven't fanned his event Neri, but she's the by eighty six she's retired. So, but I did us go and she says, well, probably is something in that. She's either eating it could be or could be something like your town in me. And I haven't done anything about the might throw anything would I be able to go into bat and get something for that. Or would I have to? We'll you really getting a veterinary opinion of this problem is really important to start things off on the right throughout because you could go in and pick up medications, but really am for myself. If I could see her, I would tell you. I think this is the best direction to go one of the products that I commonly use if we're dealing with several RIA, which is basically a dryness in a problem with this flaking is I'll use a type of topical that say Sapru ceremonies so as. Part of the lipids that were restoring in the skin layer so pets that have dry skin for various conditions. They are often deficient in these lipids in the skin. So we can use a tape of a spot on that we put on regularly usually about once a week, and it helps to restore the lipid in the skin beer, and that helps, you know, not just decrease the amount of CBA them kind of the waxy stuff that they build up. But it also keeps inflammation down helps keep bacteria counts down all of that. So it can help with a lot of conditions. So that's why I think it's important. We we have your veterinarian say, hey, this would be a good idea. I'd like to try that. It's pretty easy. It's things you can do at home. And then certainly I want to look at things like arriving pracise her way in her diet a brush to brush her every day, and I can take the the hair off of that from dry brush your on. You can see the small pieces, and it would be feasible to take that into the vet to look at page to bring the cat in because. And and show them. This would they be able to go any further with that? He would be very limited. Because there are some types of parasites that live on the surface of the hair, and there's others live inside the skin in in just like anything, you know, if something's cut off and removed from the an organism as a whole, it really doesn't give us the full picture. So, you know, your vet may say, hey, sure, you know, maybe I really don't wanna see your cat. Bring in some hair and some teal and a look at that way. He he's about two feet long to she's not small cat. She's a big, and it take look look at of course, they want a pattern. She's not having any of that. You know? No, forget it. You know, you're not gonna get me. But he he's come a long way with me. I when I first got her she was very very strange to everyone. But no, she likes my grandchildren as long as he don't try to grab her. She doesn't like that. So they've learned the hard way to not to do that not that she scratches specs them, but she'll really grow again mixture kind of scared. You know, I've gotten through a lot of things with Tara. And I think that you're probably right. I would have to see take her into the vet just take my chances that they won't throw me out the door. There's other ways to get a cat safely into the veterinary office, so probably a lengthy conversation. But there are some drugs that I'll often use for pets that are actually cats at her, but we can give them medication such as gap Pinson in that can actually help calm them make them not sedated, but less aggressive in reactive in a veterinary. Sunning you might even ask you if there's something like that that they are familiar with or they're comfortable with that. They're okay. Prescribing in advance of the visit because at tell you I've used some different medications on cats before they come in the office, and it really can make a huge difference. It's all about how to do this with less stress for the animal less risk for injury for both pet and veterinary professional shells. So yes. Them, very helpful. That's wonderful. I lifted to your show time. And it's amazing. How many things you'd come up with nothing? Oh, I didn't know that you know, listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. That's my dog. Annie, she's healthy now. But recently, she broke her leg, and I had to rush her to the vet, thankfully, she's protected by embraced pen insurance. They covered her surgery and reimbursed the clean quickly and brace offers one simple plan for unexpected accidents and illnesses that you can personalize to fit your budget to learn more. Visit embrace pen insurance dot com to get a free quote policies. Underwritten by licensed insurer of American modern insurance, coverage subject to policy, terms and conditions. Visit embrace bed insurance dot com. For coverage details people say less is more at red barn. We think less is better. It's what you won't find that sets are natural premium pet food apart. 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Everything and my intellect was bruised for like three days after that. I know me too. I didn't even participate. Now, maybe next time, you should really I would have liked to participate in maybe next time since you know, all the answers you ask the question. I asked a question they could area got a little more fair for everybody else. Or we throw it out to the listeners and let the listeners answer the questions. I'm just saying that might. Glad you guys have an open mind about it. Pretty cool. Let's see we're going to go to the phones in just a couple of seconds here. Also a few minutes away from Justin bieber's mother. And let's see what are you working on for the news just in beaver? I wanted to clarify is Justin beaver, okay? Patricia might have been upset. I I've got a bunch of stories for you. But one of them is so horrific. I'm not even gonna tease it. Okay. Because I it's it's a short blurb. But man, the story just brings about so many thoughts, and so many what if and so many wise, it's really can. I just save the tease you can say actually that was a tease the lack of the lack of a tease is really good tease. There was I wa-. Okay. So that's on the way just a few minutes something that we know nothing about, but it should be something you're interested. Which phone? Let's go to one. Okay. Thank god. We have you here. And hey, John. How are you doing today? Good thanks for taking the call. What's going on? I just a quick question. My I have a ten year old dog. She's kinda a little growth couple of weeks back that looks like a little sti- or ward or something on her left lower eyelid. But it doesn't interfere with your playing Keno can make that I'm just wondering if that's something I need to check out. I'm sorry. She's a much from the pound in like suffers when I got Arthur res- come told. She's county mix. Okay. In his the lump is it on the inside of the I an outside. What what area coming in on the outside? Okay. We'll. The the good majority of of little masses along dogs eyelid. They tend to be benign growths in of those. They most commonly are called a my bohmeian gland tumor so dance by far the biggest cause of these type of things. So those type of things not to say that can't cause a problem some in sometimes they can actually get pretty big they'll kind of even get a color cauliflower like growth off of them. And they can rub on the is. So some of these really can cause ulcers in the eye or just comfort. So the treatment of those. I I'd say, you know, get a look at it. And he'd hold up to the Mike I can try to get a picture. But, you know, getting a vet on it is a big thing because sometimes there are hypes of lumps and bumps that gives us a little bit more excited if they're pigmented kind of a black color sometimes that gets us a little bit more concerned because we can get melanoma a more serious tumor that occurs on the eyelid. And then some types can be a little bit more destructive to the area like squamous cell carcinoma, people are aware of that because of the sun related issues. So that for dogs to can occur on the eyelids. So that's that's my do. It would they would they zap it off in and tested, or what would they? So when we have an Isla tumor pretty much we have to remove those type of things with a pet under anesthesia, and I get that question. All the time. Can you do with my pet awake? No, not going to happen. Not many dogs will sit for that. So from there, but yes, we can do a couple of things we can if it's large, and it goes into the lid, we might do kind of like, a V-shaped wedge. So we take out a little wedge of the eyelid. And so things backup. If it's small doesn't seem to go very deep than yes. We can kind of cauterize either with a an electro Qatar at my office. We have a laser that we use and that helps to kind of ab- late the tissue or just kind of destroy it on the surface. So that technique, can you can be used for some of the smaller or less less serious ones. If we're worried that it's more serious tumor. We're gonna probably go for that V wedge because we want to get nice clean margins and installed that problem for the long haul. But. If I if I brought her the office could you look at it and say, that's like this looks like an app in some cases. Yeah. Usually, but I would say just because the great majority of these type of tumors are my booming gland tumors in you know, the breed sometimes gives us some clues. Because we know that there are some dogs poodles cocker spaniels collies that tend to get these benign eyelid tumors a little bit more frequently. So we've got that there's sometimes a little bit of the odds game we can play to to help in. That may not help your situations. You have mixed breed. But I was wondering whether or not to make an appointment. So sounds like I should. Absolutely. We definitely encouraging. You know, it could be something we can handle pretty simply and just sometimes a little bit of, you know, monitoring watching and waiting is acceptable for these type of things I will keep an eye hand up at all. I think some placement for next week as well next to the Aparicio. Appreciate thanks for the call John one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five this portion of animal radio is brought to you by embrace pet insurance providing knows detail accident in Illinois coverage for your dog or cat. It can be customized to fit your budget and needs simply take your dog or cat to any vets admittedly formed get reimbursed quickly you can learn more over at embrace pet insurance dot com to get a quote, and thanks embrace for underwriting animal radio. You're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Hello. This is Dr poll on animal radio, the pets are all part of your life. Make them Belgium in your life. 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Brooks new California law is changing the way that pet stores sell pets making it the first state to ban retail sales of certain pets in an effort to crack down on puppymills. That's what's behind it. All it says that pet stores can only sell cats dogs and rabbits, they come from local rescue groups or shelters or animal control agencies and store. Operators will face a five hundred dollar fine. If they violate that new law, another California law, which we talked about last hour that will further advance pet protections in the state by allowing judges in divorce proceedings to consider the best interests of pets and create custody. Arrangements for them. We also learned that eighty eight percent of those pets custody fights are over dogs and on the national stage. You guys I had to bring this up a new law. That was overlooked by many is that cats. Dogs were literally rescued by the farm Bill that was signed last month by President Trump. Now, you may not have heard this part because it was granted it was a massive Bill and covered many things, but it did include a provision officially banning the slaughter and trade of companion animals for human consumption now that doesn't happen much that we know of that we hear about but before the Bill it was actually legal in forty four states in America to turn cats and dogs into food. What police in hamden Connecticut, say a man actually had to shoot and kill his own dog in a park because he feared it might attack. Some children who were close by. When things got out of hand. The man told police that his dog a pit bull. Who was not on a leash at the time. That's the very first thing you need to know the dog was not on a leash. But because his dog was not least and attacked. And seriously injured another dog that was on a leash. He felt that he had to take action. But right there you see with the owner of the injured dog were that man's three children the owner of the dog who initiated the attack the one who did the shooting was licensed to carry a gun courting to police. But again, the entire situation could have been avoided if the man had his dog on a leash, but because the dog was loose INA park that dog is dead. Another dog was. Injured in three kids had to watch the whole ugly scene that they will likely never ever forget. Can. I just say this whole thing is is very very bizarre. Very weird in. I can't believe that. There's no legal implications to this. Something denison. It is. It is under investigation by the police. But I, you know, I think about this. And I think it's so horrific because none of it had to happen, right, sir. And and really though, I mean think about it put yourself in. This guy's shoes could you ever shoot your animal with a gun or what I mean, could you? I mean, I in if I was fearful it was going to harm somebody. I don't know you would shoot your dog. If you were a fear fan. I don't know when that circles nobody really knows what they do. They do a wide. Do they would like to think they would know if it was going to harm somebody or kill somebody? But right. You don't know what you would actually do. That is a good point how because now now look I I would think there would be a big investigation. If say that his the man who did the shooting that his wife was standing nearby and he accidentally shot the wife while he was shooting for the dog. I mean, then you go, and you know, that's really off. But you know, like Judy said, I think this could have happened, but it is being investigated. So we'll keep you posted. Okay. I love this story guys. Scientists have discovered a genetic difference in animal lovers. So that's probably you. Right. I mean, you always knew you were different. This genetic difference lies in a gene that is responsible for producing a hormone called oxytocin, and you've probably heard of oxytocin before. But it's commonly called the love hormone. They use it that reference it a lot when talking about bonding between a mother and her child, but oxytocin boosts bonding between people, but this study is the first time that it has been linked to relationships between people and animals, researchers at the university of Edinburgh 's Roslin Institute and Scotland's rural college found that those who showed the greatest compassion for animals actually, had a different version of the oxytocin, gene, they found also that that women responded more, positively towards animals than men as. Did those who chose a profession in an annual related field? You know, maybe an veterinarian's office. But if of course people's attitudes towards animals are influenced by a variety of social factors. I considering early life experiences personality traits your religious beliefs. However, they say this is the very first time. This ientist have shown that genetics may also play a big role in our human love of animals. So those of us who aren't married or whatever if we married another animal lover, I wonder if they would get like, you know, three times, the, animal empathy. That would hurt his I'm Laurie Brooks. Get more breaking animal news anytime at animal radio dot com. This has been an animal radio news update. Get more at animal radio dot com. Hi, this is Brandon McMillan on animal radio and be sure to adopt and not shop. You're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Radio celebrating the connection with our pets and Laurie. I gotta tell you. You know, I really didn't think about this until I started looking, but you're right. You're absolutely right. I have photos of only my animals on my phone, in fact, and the screensavers animals and. Pretty normal. Right. I guess it does mean them normal. But I probably should have a picture of my spouse or friends at least in their right? But the I think I might have one picture of my spouse holding my animal there, you go. And that's the only reason you have the picture, that's right because the animals in it. Let's go to James who has a call for Joey. Hey, James where you calling from. Right now, I'm in a lake park, Georgia lake park, Georgia doctor. Yes, sir. I'm. And I'm calling for a little bit of Phillies advice here on account of had this little pug loves to ride around with me. But sometimes we for very extended periods of time. And you know, give them a proper bath is not very feasible. So I'm wanting to know when I can do for him. You know, what products are what the seekers? Joey my recommend to keep them played. You know, help the while he's out in the boat with me. So let me ask you a couple of questions. Yeah. What's you main objective is just to clean the dog is a dog, and stinky is shedding because that's going to determine really, you know, what direction I go in. I brush him every day. But we're out sometimes for two months at a time. And it gets a bit oil leaders, you know, and. Walking around and grass that you know, I don't know. What's in there? I just wanna. I'm fine mine and all that for him as far as picking fleas and all that. He just gets thirty. There's a lot of products out there on wipes that you can go that you can go to the store and get a lot of some spray dry shampoos. And and you know, a lot of things out there on the shelves that you can go out and buy, but if you wanna real quick fix this works unbelievable. And it's good that you brush in Komen the dog now because you removing the dead coach. So if you're used to doing that you're going to go to the store, and you're going to buy yourself a sixty nine cent box of baking soda now baking soda, you're gonna sprinkler that an in the Cote. Now, it's going to do two things. It's going to number one remove the oil because it's going to absorb. So you're going to sprinkle it on you're going to let it sit. I don't know just a couple of minutes, and then you're going to brush through not only is it going to re absorbed the dirt and oil. It's going to also neutralize any odors any smells anything like that. And it's going to wait when you brush it. It's going to fall off the dog after absorbs everything and four. Ground. So the best thing to do is. I wouldn't do this while you're in your truck. I would actually do this out side of the truck when you stop sprinkler the dog with it brush it through it's going to be real safe. It's really it's really good for the coat. The dog is going to smell good and really good thing. And trick with with them dogs that have folds in face, and in some some pugs do some pugs don't depending on Henault how flat the faces if you use that. And you put that in the folds it. Oh, dry out any type of moisture that's in there and the begging soda portion of itself will actually remove any facial. Ota works. Really good. So good thing. It's nice and cheap. And you know, what I think that you'll be really satisfied until you know, listen, nothing's ever going to replace a good old, soap and water bath. But this is something that you can stretch out what a short haired dog, and you could stretch it out quite some time. They'd be real happy with it. So. Well, one thing I was really worried about was like the folders plays. I mean, I get into accused every now and again, and I've been using like wet one of stuff, but that's a very good tip. I'm really thank you know, what? And you can continue to use the wet ones. But I'm the bacon soda. You know, after you wipe it out with with the with the with the wet ones going with the bacon soda, and I'm telling you what you're gonna notice that there's no odor from the face. And if there's any irritation any redness nine times out of ten that's going to go away as well. I use that on my mother-in-law. She has a real wrinkly face. Stinky face to so and I've got a tip from you last week. I appreciate that one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five connect with the dream team right now, you're listening to animal radio. Call the dream team. Now at one eight six six four zero five eight four zero five. Hi, an animal radio. Please remember to spay and neuter your pets. The black loud sound dot af one headset have a built an FM receiver with dul dynamic drivers, and customizable, e Q and sound effects settings. They're capable of delivering beautiful sound. You can also tune directly to any FM radio station without internet access. Visit WWW dot B L A C K L O U, D dot com. Create your account and order sound dot af. One by inputting, the radio station coupon code animal radio to get the special ten percent off discount. We are heading to where are we going to be Kentucky were heading to right now with Brigitte Bruyette regar-. How're you doing Bridget? You are in Kentucky. And you do something kind of special. There you rescue what? Wildlife. So no dogs. No cats. No pets, it's all animals that would be naturally found in Kentucky. Okay. So I gotta think there's gotta be possums lots of possums Hossa. Bat foxes beavers lot of raccoons. Lot of squirrels were you on the show bandit patrol? I was yes. Have you seen the show with? Love that show. Yes, that's awful. I can't say that I've ever lost. It was all women in Kentucky who rescued all different kinds of wildlife. Everything from skunks to raptors eagles in our since. It was amazing. It was a great show wins. It come and pack on forcedly. They did not renew us. You'll have to try to catch a rerun. But there's they have so many animal shows in the ages kind of rotate around. So don't understand in Judy came in. She came in screaming to the studio about a week ago. She says I the guardian of Justin beaver there's like Justin Bieber. She. This is apparently Justin beaver that. We're talking about who's a beaver that you rescued. It is. Yes, J B as we call him or Justin beaver came to me may of two thousand. Let's see we're just in nineteen in seventeen. So he has been with made for quite some time. He came in just a couple of months old so very tiny still being bottle fed and he was supposed to make his way to our a rehab center that houses just Oliver animals, but we little slow on the draw. We had to raise quite a bit of money for his enclosure get the pond Bill, so we're just finishing that will know how you say he came to you in two thousand seventeen what did he knock on the door? Did someone bring him to you? What was wrong he ended up at your doorstep? He was not quite old enough to have his driver's license. So somebody did drive him to me. He was found as just an orphan baby. One. Single beaver and most likely, unfortunately, his parents were either shot or they were drowned when people find beavers, they don't always love them around, and they're not very tolerant on trapping and relocating. So they are trapped underwater, unfortunately, no, they do through them. Yeah. How long do beavers live? I hope that he lives of almost twenty years in captivity. They don't live quite as long in the wild, of course, because they're exposed to potential risks that they don't and kept tippety would imagine he can't run around lose. Otherwise, your furniture would be chewed up. Well, it is. Mary shoot up. I've only been in this house just a couple months longer than J B has been with me. And it used to be very nice and almost every doorway door baseboard has been chewed on by NT furniture has been chewed and this is with me closely supervised than him. Oh, no often. Does he have to swim? I put him in the back Ted about five times a day. Wow. Wow. A full time time it makes it difficult for me to go out in very long stench is, but I'm he'll have his own pond that he can go to the bathroom and dam up over and over throughout the day. So does he try to dam up the bathtub? Oh, yes. He does. That's the first thing. He gets out of the Bhakta is really kinda funny routine that we have developed. So I I know when he needs to go out his regular times. And he does make some sounds that. If he's asking me that he really does need to go the bathroom. So I put him in the bath tub, and he hops on the ledge, but he won't get off the ledge. I have to lift him down a towel dragged him. And then he turns around and finds something to dam up the bathtub. It's only shampoo bottles in in that kind of stuff do potholes if there's a towel on the floor the back them rug. He uses a stuffed animal socks. Oh, yeah. If there's one thing laying out he'll find that was set the scene because listeners can't see this. We we do have a picture we we are Skyping with present. And we do have a picture of what she looks like an inner surroundings on the wall behind her a couple of pitchers of looks like an possum is that. Correct. Possum family that was in poces. Let's see that was an upon them that we had for a long time who names big boy. My volunteer team got together. And had that painting done for me. And the other one's back there. There's three skunks they are permanent resident education skunks icon et picture. My three sons, you can't see, but believe it or not I have my son and my daughter on the wall right next to them. How do they feel about all of this? Are they going home with mum's animal rehab, not at all? So they do not love the animals in the house to say, the least JB's Ray. Really damning my daughter's door. So sometimes she tries to open it and has to move stuff out before she can fully. So who pays for all of this we run solely on donations to vary? Call to continue to raise our funds to take care of all these animals. How concerned would donate help you out making go directly to our website, and there's links on there. They can send us a check the the mail. Our address is on there. And we also have a payment account in our website. Second chances wildlife dot org. Second chances. Whoa dot org. We'll put links to everything you've heard on today show over dateable radio dot pets. Would you go give I guess the nearest wild exotic animal that you have there a big old hug from all of us in animal radio. Okay. Thanks for having me. We've just been informed that we've been kicked out of the studio. We got a vacation for the next show. I mean, I'm having a lot of fun. I'd stick around. 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Every day you live, you impact the planet | Jane Goodall

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Every day you live, you impact the planet | Jane Goodall

"Hey It's hugh with Ted Talks Daily today I'm so geeked out. We have a real treat. The primatology just and conservationists Jane Goodall. She's one of the world's leading scientists and nature lovers in her Ted, twenty, twenty conversation with head of Chris Anderson. She reflects on what she learned about human tribalism from the chimpanzees. She has spent her life researching, and she issues an important reminder to put the natural world i. because whether it's Covid. Nineteen or HIV AIDS disease of killing humans are linked to the destruction of the environment. And she says we can heal the harm done to the planet if enough of US take action. I'm Salima Shalala host of a new podcast from Ted called pin-drop. Every week travel to a different location around the world get lost in a new vibe and tap into a surprising idea. Next up. We get into dinosaurs and deep time all behind a hardware store in a very normal New Jersey suburb. That's pin drop from Ted Checkout Pin drop on Apple Podcast, spotify or wherever you listen. Ted's partner for this episode. Connor Foundation has pioneered a new model for how Future Schools Universities Startups and cultural institutions can all work together to make human potential because our world desperately needs an influx of new ideas. Learn how you can pursue your ideas with Cutter Foundation. DOT ORG DOT QA. Talk to Jane Goodall welcome in your tedtalk seventeen years ago. You warned us about the dangers of humans crowding out the natural world. Thirty cents in which you feel that the current pandemic is kind of nature striking back. It's very very clear that these zoonotic diseases like the corona. and. HIV AIDS and all sorts of other diseases that we catch from animals that's partly to do with destruction of the environment which animals lose habitat, they get crowded together, and sometimes that means that the virus froma reservoirs. BC's Wentz live harmlessly. Maybe hundreds of years jumps into a new species. Then you also get. Animals being pushed into closer contact with humans and sometimes one of these animals. Let's just can. Provides the opportunity the virus to jump into people. And create a new disease like nineteen and in addition to that. We are so disrespecting animals way hunt them. We Kill Them. We eat them. We traffic them. We send them off to they. Wildlife and wild animal markets in Asia weather in terrible cramped conditions in tiny cages, with people, being contaminated with blood and urine and feces, ideal conditions for a virus spill from an animal to an animal or an animal to a person I'd love to just dip backwards in. In time for a bit of because, you'll story so extraordinary. I mean despite the arguably even more sexist attitudes of the nineteen sixties. Somehow you were able to break through a become one of the world's leading scientists, discovering this astonishing series of facts about chimpanzees such as their tool use, and so much more What was it about you? Do you think that allowed you to make such a breakthrough? The thing is I was born loving animals, and the most important thing was I, had a very supportive mother in. Get Mad when found worms in my badge just? In the garden. And shouldn't get mad when I disappeared for four hours, and she called the police I was sitting in the Hen House 'cause nobody would tell me where the whole was where the egg came up. I had no dream of being scientists. women didn't do that sort of thing. In fact, went and men doing it back that I'd and everybody locked. Mum, who said fuel really want this? You've been helped to work awfully hard. Take advantage of every opportunity to get up. Maybe find a white, and somehow you were able to kind of the trust of chimpanzees in the way that No one else had what looking back like what was the most? Exciting moments that you discovered a. what is it that people still don't get about chimpanzees? Well the thing is you say a see things nobody else had. Their trust like, but nobody else had tried. It honestly. So basically I, used to same tech techniques I had to study the animals around my home and I was a child. Just sitting patient may not trying to get too close to quickly, but that it was, it was awful because the money was only six months. I mean you can imagine how difficult to get money for a young girl with no degree to undo something as bizarre sitting in forest. Finally we got money to six months or an American philanthropist and. I knew with. Get, the chimps trust did I have I'm weeks became months, and then finally after about four months one chimpanzee began to lose his fear, and it was he that, on one occasion I assume also really trust, but I had my binoculars and I saw him using and making tools, the fish termites, and although I wasn't terribly surprised, because I read about things, captive chimps could do. But I that science believed that humans have only humans used may goals. And I knew how excitedly g would be, and it was that observation within ambled him to go to the National Geographic and they said okay. We'll continue to the research, and they send you govern lower a photographer filmmaker to record what I was staying so. Scientists didn't want to believe a tool. Using a must've to the chips. Says we've. Been Miracle but anyway once they still hugo's film, and that with all my descriptions of that behavior. Signed start changing their minds, and since then numerous other discoveries. That place chimpanzees much closer to humans than people can't believe I. Oh, you say one point that they have a sense of humor. How how have you seen that expressed? Well. It, you see it when they're playing games lose a big alone playing with a little one, and he's trailing by around a tree, and every time the little ones about to catch it at the big one pulses away in the little one starts crying, and the big one starts laughing. And then. You observed. Something much more troubling. which was? These instances of chimpanzee gangs tribes groups. Being brutally violent to each other. I'm curious how. You process that and whether it made it made you kind of I. Dunno depressed about about US close to them. Did it make you feel that violence is irredeemably part of part of all great ape somehow? Well eight obviously is and my first encounter with. Human when I call evil with the end of the war and the pictures from Holocaust and that relief. That really shocked me that that changed, too. I was I was ten I think time. And when when the chimpanzees I realized they have this dog brutal side I thought they would like us but nice. Then, I realized that even more like Alston I had the. And at that time and the early seventies, it was very strange aggression. That was big thing about this aggression in nate or lund. And it became political. and. It was knows a very strange time. I was coming out saying no I think aggression is definitely part of our inherited repertoire behaviors and other I I asked rarely respected scientists TB thought because he was coming out on the clean slate regionals land, and he said Jane I'd rather not talk about what I really think. That was a shocker. As far as science is concerned for me. I was brought up to believe a world of openings. Things bryson beautiful. You know numerous beautiful films of. Flies and bees and flowers and Nature is this gorgeous landscape? In many many environmentalists often seem to take the stance. Yes, is pure nature is is beautiful humans a bad, but then you have the kind of observations that you see when you look at any parts of nature in more detail you see things to be. Terrified by honestly, what do you make of nature? How do you think that how should we think of it? Nature is you know when you think of the whole spectrum of evolution and the something about going to a prestigious place and Africa is very pristine when I was when I was young. And the were animals everywhere, and I never liked the fact. Lions kill. They have to I. Mean that's that's what they do, they they. They didn't kill animals. They would die. And the big difference between them and US I think is that they do what they do because that's what they have to do. And we can plan to do things. Are plans very different. We can plan to cut down forest because we want. Sell the PIN. Or because we want to build another shopping malls like that, so odd destruction of nature an hour warfare. When capable of evil because we can sit comfortably and plan the twitter somebody far away at evil chimpanzees. Have scored criminal one, and they can be very aggressive, but it's of the moment. It's how they feel. It's response to an emotion. So. Your observation of the sophistication of chimpanzees doesn't go as far as as what some people would want, says the sort of the human superpower of being able to. Really. Simulate the future in our minds in great detail and plan make long-term plans and. act. To encourage each other's to achieve those long term plans that feels even to someone who spent so much time in chimpanzees feels like a fundamentally different skills that we just have to take responsibility for and use much more wisely than we do yes and I. Think a lot of discussion about this but I think the fact that we developed the way of communication that you and I are using, and because we have words, I mean animal communication is. Will they most sophisticated than we used to think chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans can learn you know human sign language the death. but we we sort of grow up speaking whatever language it is, so I can tell you things that you've never heard of an chimpanzee couldn't do that. And we can teach our children about things abstracting and. Couldn't do that so years chimpanzees can do all sorts of clever things, and so can elephants, so can crows, and so can octopuses. We designed rockets. Go off to another planet, little robots taking photographs. We've designed this extraordinary way of you talking and on different parts of the world when I was young when I grow up, because not be with no cell phones, no computers. It was such a different world I had a pencil pen a notebook that. Suggests go back to this question about about nature because I think about this a lot I struggle with this honestly. So much of your work so much of so many people who are respect is about this passion for trying not to screw up the natural world, so is it. Is it possible is it? Healthy is essential perhaps to simultaneously accept that many aspects of nature a terrifying, but also I don't know that it's also and some of the awesomeness comes from its potential to be terrifying, and that it is also just breathtakingly. Beautiful and that we cannot, we cannot be ourselves because we're part of nature, we cannot be whole. Unless we somehow it embrace it. An a part of it helped me with the language Jay on how how that relationship should be well. I think one of the problems is you know as we developed our intellect? We became better and better at a modifying the environment for our own use and creating fields and growing crops used to be forest or woodland, and you know well. We won't go into that now. We have this ability to change nature, and as we've moved more into towns and cities and relied more on technology. We've many people feel so divorced on the natural world, and s hundreds of thousands of children growing up in cities whether he simply isn't any. Which is why this movement now green our cities is so important and you know they they've done experiments. I think it was in Chicago. I'm not quite sure and the various anti lots in the buried violent part con, so in some of those areas. They made it green. They put trees and flowers, things shrubs in these vacant lots and the crime rate went right down. So. Then, of course, they put trees in the other half. Does it just shows and also? Been Studies done showing that children really need green nature, good psychological development. Illegally are as you say part of nature and. We disrespected as we are, and that is so terrible for our children and our children's children, because we rely only a clean action water. Relating climate and rainfall. Look what we look at the climate crisis us. So it was love thirty years ago. You made this shift from scientists may lead to activists mainly I guess why. Conference in Nineteen, eighty-six scientific one. I got my PhD by them, and it was to find out how chimp behavior differed if it did from one environment to another. Study sites across Africa, so we thought. Let's bring these these scientists to get up. And explore which was fascinating, but we also had a session on conservation and the session on conditions and some captive situations like medical research. And those two sessions so shocking to me. I went to the conference as a scientist am I left as some activists I didn't make the decision. Something happened inside. So. You've spent the last. Four years. So todd us to campaigning for a better relationship between. People and Nature what? What should that relationship look like? Well we you know it's again. You come up with all these problems. People have have space to live. But I think the problem is that we we've become and the effluence societies too greedy. I mean who needs honesty who needs four houses with huge grounds and widely yet another shopping mall. And so on and so on, so we are. Looking at short term, economic benefit money has become a sort of God to worship, as we lose all spiritual connection with the natural wealth. And, so we're looking for short term, monetary game will power. Rather than. Health of the planet and the future of our children. We. Care about that anymore. I'll never stop fighting. In your work specifically on Chimpanzee Conservation you've. You've made it practice to put people at the center of that local people to engage them. How has that worked? And do you think that's an essential idea? If we're to succeed in protecting the planet? You know after that famous conference I. I must learn more about likes him savannahs in Africa. What's happening to the forest? So got a bit of money together and went out six range countries and land a lot about the problems faced by Gypsy no hunting for Bushmeat in the live animal, trade, courtroom, snazzy and human populations growing and. Needing more land that crops and cattle math religious. But I was also learning about the plight faced by so many people that absolute poverty lack of health and education the degradation of the land. And it came to a head when I flew over the tiny Gandhi National Park it had been part of this equatorial forest belt, right across Africa to the West Coast and then nineteen ninety. It was just this little island forest, tiny national all around the hills for bear, and that's when it hit me. If we don't do something to help, people find ways of living without destroying their environment. We caught even try say the chimps, so the Jane Goodall Institute become as Program Take Care. We call it to Cari. And Its. Community based conservation cody honus thick. And we've now put a tool to conservation. The hand of the villages because most tencent while chimps are not in protected areas. They just in the village forest preserves. And So, they now go measure the health of that forest they. Stood now that protecting the forest isn't just the wildlife own huge. The they need the forest a method. Proud volunteers go to workshops. They learn how to use smart phones. They learn how to upload into platform on the cloud. And so it's all transparent and they. The trees have come back the Snow Bay hills anymore that they. They agreed to make a buffer zone around gumby. So the chimps have mojo forest made it in nineteen, ninety may opening up corridors for to link the scattered Jim Groups of the. You don't get too much breathing. So yes, it's worked at six other countries now saying I mean you've been. extrordinary Tyler's voice all around the world just traveling so much speaking everywhere inspiring people everywhere. How on Earth to find? The energy in the fire to to do that because. That is exhausting to do every meeting with lots of people. It is physically exhausting and yet here you US Tau, still doing it how how you doing this job? Well, I suppose WHO's. I I. Don't like giving up. I'm not going to let. These CEO's of big companies destroying the forest or the politicians who are unraveling all. The protections that were put in place by previous presidents, and you know who I'm talking about it. and you know so. I'll go on finding. I care a passionate about. The wildlife I'm passionate about natural wealth. I love forests. It hurts me to see them damaged and I can't rationally about. and was stealing their future and I'm not going to give up so. I guess I'm blessed with them. Good genes. Let's a gift. The other GIF which I discovered I had was communication whether it's writing or speaking. and. So you know if if if going around like this wasn't working, but when you every time I do a lecture, people come up and say well. I had given up You've inspired me. Promise to do my bit. And we have our youth program roots and shoots now in sixty five countries and growing foss, all ages all choosing project help people, animals environment, rolling up their sleeves and taking action, and you know they look at you with Shining Eyes wanting to tell dr J. will be doing to make the world at the place. How can we let them down? As you look at the planet's future. What worries you most actually what? What scares you most about where we're at? Well the fact that we have a small window time I believe when we can start at least start healing some of the home and slowing down climate change, but it is close in, and we've seen what happens with the lockdown around the world, because Cook nineteen clear skies cities, some people breathing cleaner out that they've never breathed before looking up shining skies at night which they've never seen properly before. And you know. So what worries me both most is how to get enough people. People understand. They're not taking action how to get enough. People Take Action National. Geographic just launch this extraordinary film. About you highlighting your work over six decades. It's titled. Jane Goodall the hope. So. What is the hope? The hope you know, my greatest hope is all these young people I mean in China. People will come up and say well of course I care about the environment I was in roots and shoots in primary school, and may have roots and shoots as hanging onto the values. So best so. Enthusiastic on say the problem is they're empowered to take action at clearing streams that removing invasive species humanely A. An have so many ideas and. You know this extraordinary intellect when beginning, use it to come up with technology that really will help us to live in greater harmony, and in our individual lives. Think of you know. Let's think about the consequences of what we do each day what we buy. We did it come from. How was it made? did it harm. The environment was cruel to animals. Is it cheap because of child slave labor make ethical choices which you can't do if you're living in poverty by the. Amend finally! This indomitable spirit people who tackle what seems impossible and we give up. Give Up, you have those. But you know there are things that I can't fight I. Fight Corruption. Michael fight military regimes and dictatorships but So I can only do what I can do, and if we all do bits that we can do, surely that makes it whole eventually will win out selahs questions if there was one idea when thought seat could plant in the minds of everyone watching this. Would that be. Just remember that every day you live. You make an impact on the planet. You can't help making impact, and at least unless you living in extreme poverty, you have a choice as to what sort of impact you may even poverty a choice, but when we were more absolutely have a greater choice, and if we all make ethical choice, since then we start moving towards. Well, we not quite so desperate to great grandchildren. That's. That's I. think something, everybody. Because a lot of people. Understand what's happening? They feel helpless and hopeless. What can they do so they do nothing. A may become apathetic. That is huge danger at the. Talk to Jane Goodall while I really want to thank you for your extraordinary life for that you've done. And for spending time with us now, thank you. Thank you. Ted Is Partnering With Cutter Foundation A nonprofit. That's been unlocking human potential for more than two decades. Its Flagship Initiative Education City is providing opportunities for people of all ages from kids who've just started learning about the world to PhD's tried to help preserve its future. Qatar Foundation believes everyone's got ideas worth exploring and they helped bring these ideas to light in education city, the campus houses innovative K. through twelve schools and eight universities, all living alongside a science and Technology Park, a Modern Art Museum startup incubators, and so much more learn how you can pursue your ideas with cutter foundation at q dot Org dot Qa.

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Jane Goodall read by Cristina Mittermeier

Good Night Stories for Rebel Girls

22:24 min | 11 months ago

Jane Goodall read by Cristina Mittermeier

"This episode of good night stories for rebel girls is based on the bestselling books by the same name. If you like today's episode, you can find Jane Goodall story on page eighty, two of volume one. Get your copy today at rebel girls, dot, com or wherever you buy your favorite books. Once upon a time there was a girl who dreamed of living with animals in Africa. One day that dream would come true and her discoveries about chimpanzees would forever change the way people see animals. Her name was Jane Goodall. As a child Jane lived in Bournemouth England she spent hours watcher. Quietly observing the animals outside. She kept earthworms underneath her pillow until she learned that they were happier in the dirt. She tamed a Robin by leaving a trail of crumbs on her window sill, slowly coaxing incite. Eventually in built a nest in her bookcase. Once! Jane waited inside the Hanes House, refusing to wiggle even though the rough Straw scratcher skate. She was watching the tickets to see how they lay their eggs finally one appear. And saw the Jane running to tell her mother. I know how a Neg- comes out. Meanwhile her mother had been searching for Jane for hours, but she always encouraged changed curiosity. Change father encouraged her love of animals to. When she was a baby, he batard jubilee. Especial stuff Koi sold honor of the first chimpanzee on at the Longdon Sue. To Baligh was James Constant companion. Tagging along on all her adventures. I'm Cristina Mittermeier and this is good night stories for rebel girls, a fairytale podcast about the rebel women who spirals. This week. Dr, Jane Huddle. Chain was born. Valerie, Jane Morris Goodwill in London in one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty four. When World War Two began her father mortimer. A former race car driver joined the British army to in France. Jane her Mother Ban and her younger sister duty moved to a red brick home by the sea in. Bear, the goodwill family live with many pets. Cats dogs, guinea pigs, a terrapin, a canary, an even tortoise who kept disappearing, so they paint his shale right rent. Chain one said. Growing up. I was shy, an always wanted to be outside playing. Most often I could be found sitting high in the length of each tree in our backyard. I read and I did my homework there. Up on her perch chain loved to read stories about Dr Doolittle a character who talk to animals in Africa. She also became a big fan of the character Tarzan. She felt passionately in love with Tarzan and was jealous that he married the wrong jayme. Reading those stories, she began to dream of going to Africa herself. I H ten. Chains goal was to live with wild animals. I'm write books about. which she cold other suffered dream, everybody laughed and told her that she was a girl. Everybody except her mother, who said if Jane really wanted something, she should work hard. Take advantage of opportunities a never give up. Van Never told her she couldn't do something because she was a girl. Jane never forgot her mother's advice. Though. Jane was shy. That didn't prevent her from sharing her passion for wildlife with others. At Age twelve, she formed the alligator club with her sister, Judy and two friends sally and sue. They made a museum to store artifacts like feathers, seashells and detailed nature notebooks. Jane put together the Alligator magazine to showcase our findings. The Nature Club even raise money to help old. Jane was a good student. Her family couldn't afford college. Van had just enough money for Jane to attend secretarial school to learn the skills needed for office work. Jane, eventually got a job filing. Oxford University which she found boring though her supervisor did let her bring her pet hamster hamlet. Who Work? A friend help Jane a different job in London with a studio that made documentaries. Jane and Join Editing Film and choosing background music. Big City. Life in London was exciting. Jane still long to be nature. Ben An opportunity arrive in the form of a letter from a school French. The French family had a farming Kenya and she was inviting Jane to spend six months there with her. Of. Course gene was happy to accept, but she couldn't afford the expensive ticket who Africa. That wouldn't stop Jane. She left her. Job moved back home and began working as a waitress. Jane was quite good at it. She could balance as many as thirteen place on her arms. All the money she earned waiting tables. She saved under the partner. After five months she had enough for a ticket just as her mother had pulled Shane didn't give a now. Dream was coming troop. On March, thirteenth, nineteen, fifty seven Jane stood on the dock ready to board. The ship Kenya Castle. Except there was one problem. Her last book was missing. Passport must've fallen out of her purse. I'm Jen couldn't leave without. Her, plan! Seem Dash. Until an employee from the travel agency race toward the ship with Jane's travel documents in. Someone had returned them to the agency just in the nick of time. Ship set sail with Jane Onboard. Many passengers struggled with sea. Sickness but Jane spend much of the three weeks at the prow of the ship. In her wirt as forward as one could get. She couldn't wait reached Mombasa. From there, she took a train to her friends farm. Jane finally arrived on April. Third Nineteen fifty seven her twenty third birthday. They even had cake for her. Best pressing was finding a while giraffe running alongside of winding dirt. Jane felt at home in Africa from the moment she arrived. They, however, she needed a job. Friends suggested to reach out to Louis Leakey a famous scientist. He and his wife. Mary was also a scientist studied fossils together. The couple discovers some of humans. Earliest answers at a place called all divide CH-. John Lewis met. He was impressed by Jason Fousiya some for the natural world and her venture spirit. As Secretary Jane joined the leaky, said older by. Working there required. Long hours spent crouched into third painstaking the brushing fussell's free. Jane didn't have training for these past, but she learned quickly. Lewis believed chimpanzees could help them better understand humans ancestors. No one had ever observed them long term in the while. Lewis wanted to send someone to do a study of Champs. At be streamed game reserve in Tanzania, now called Gumby National Park. He's ideal candidate who des Excellent observational skills, an open mind, deep patients and know how to survive in the wild. While hiking old by Jane and a friend had encountered a male lion. A dangerous situation while armed. When Jane recounted the story to Louis around the campfire. He told her she done everything bright. According to Jane, it was right then that Lewis made the decision about who should research the chimpanzees. Jane was perfect for the job. In June nineteen sixty Jane set off for Gumby. Alone? She brought her mother along. Officials refused to allow Jane stay there by herself. They didn't think it was safe for young woman to be alone. Always Supportive van couldn't let this opportunity pass her daughter by so mother and daughter shared a small army tent and met open the evening to talk about their daily adventures, fine Kim Pissy with their own project clinic where she provided medical care. Bear face many threats in the early days at Gumby, leaping leopards, fighting t t flies prickly bikes. Jane and her mother both contracted malaria on were sick for three weeks finds fever reached a dangerous one hundred five degrees before they both recovery. But fear didn't stop Jane. She later said it was so fascinating. That nothing could deter me. By October, van returned to England. As much as Jane loved sharing the campsite with her mother. She relished her time alone in the forest. Jane New the too much noise and activity scared away the animals. At first whenever they spotted her, they would dash away. She could only watch him at a distance with binoculars. Jane work hard to slowly establish the chimpanzees trust. She dressed in a simple outfit that blended in with four surroundings, and she wore the same clothes embry day. She mimicked the chimp's behavior. Each day she packard tin box with a blanket, sweater, food and coffee. And prepared to spend hours upon hours. Silently sitting, waiting and always observing. Most scientists at the time for to give the animals they absorb numbers instead of names. But as Jane grew to not be chimps and their distinct personalities. She named them all. Flow was a popular older female channel and a caring mother Fabian Vegan I'm baby fee. Not all the champs were always carrying. A chimp was charge that Jane causing tumble off the edge of a cliff. She was injured, but okay. Thanks to the soft pushes. That broke her fault. Her favorite champ was David rapier. He was the first. Let chain close. Perhaps he was curious about her as she was about him. On like the others when Jane Approached Them David didn't run. He came to accept her even picking up a Nana from her hand. So gently, no snatching. She wrote in a letter home. It was thanks to David that Jane me to important discoveries. I she saw him eating a Bush bake. Prior to that, scientists had believed chimpanzees only ate plants now. She had evidence that they were omnivores. The second and more important discovery happened when James. Watch David at a termite mound. He broke off a long stalk of grass and inserted it into the mound when he pulled it out, it was covered in termites tasty snack. Soon Jane saw other chimpanzees fishing with grasses. They also strip steaks of their leaves to make crude tools. Something scientists call object modification. Till Ben. It was thought only humans could do that. According to Jane these was cost to either redefine man or accept chimps as human. Careful observations as twenty six year old self pod scientists where a breakthrough in understanding animals. Before those discoveries. Jane had feared that funding for her project. That Kombi would be caught because she hadn't learned anything new. But after she documented the chimps, using tools and National Geographic, society gave a grant to continue chains were. Some critics tried to discredit gentile because she hadn't received academic training beyond high school, so Lewis helped her get admitted to Cambridge University. They recognize the value of her work at Gumby and count the back door her classes. Eventually gene would earn a doctorate from Cambridge in nineteen sixty two. Becoming Dr Jane Goodall. National Geographic wanted to publish a magazine article about Jane's work. And it was hard for her to take pictures in the midst of observations, so they arrange for a wildlife photographer Hugo van logic to join gene. At first, she wasn't happy to have a stranger in what she called her little paradise. Pleased to find out that Hugo love nature and animals as much as she did. National, geographic published Jane's first article. My life among wild chimpanzees with Hugo photographs in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, three, and the nine hundred sixty five. CBS aired the television, Special Miss Gell and the wild chimpanzees, a documentary national geographic made with Hugo's footage. Twenty million viewers watched fascinated by Jane's robbery, knowledge and hard work. quickly, she became a worldwide celebrity. As Jane grew to know and love the chimpanzees, Kombi. Baby came like a family tour. She would later say what an amazing privilege Wass to be utterly accepted by a wild animal. Flow fee David Greybeard under arrest. We're in James Only family at though. Jane and Hugo fell in love beer. After he's assignment and that and he left Gumby Hugo sent chain and urgent telegram. would. She marry him? She answered yes. The Cup of their wedding cake was decorated with a clay figurine of David Greybeard. Pictures of their chimpanzee. France lined the walls up their London reception. Nine hundred sixty four flow birth to another baby flint. Giving Jane an opportunity to observe chimpanzee mothering from the very start. Flow gave flint lots of cuddles. When he was being naughty, she distracted him instead of punishing him. She was playful with their children. Jane Nine that like people chimpanzees laugh when they play watching flows caring patient mothering was an inspiration to Jane when she and Hugo had their son whom they nickname rob. Jane had been more time keeping grub safe as a toddler in Gumby so her students spent more and more time in the field, meanwhile chain began writing books and continued making films with Hugo. As jeans frame grew and family responsibilities changed. She spent less time alone in the forest, observing animals chains. Books were so popular she would spend months away while sharing them with readers. More eager students join Jane At. To learn an assist with her work. In Nineteen, seventy, seven, the Jane Goodall Institute was founded there to study and protect chimpanzees. In one thousand, nine, hundred six chain, attended a conference that made her aware of the threats to welching. In some places in Africa. Hunted? In other parts of the world they were kept in cages for research. This horrified Jane. She? Later said I arrived at the conference. As a scientist, I left us an activist. She became committed to conservation and education and took action to help chimpanzees right away. One of the ways they were being threatened, was by the forestation. Fewer trees meant less food and less land for chimpanzees so Jane started a program called. Care who help communities live sustainably implant more trees. Another of Jane's Programs Chimpanzee Zoo. Works to protect chimpanzees in captivity. It makes sure places like sues have enriching healthy living environments. She also has a kids program called roots and shoots. It has members in more than one hundred thirty countries. Learn about animals and how to protect nature. In some ways, it reminds Jane of her early days leading a nature club with Tutti Sally Sue. Jane explained. The alligator club had only four members, roots and shoots is encouraging hundreds of thousands of young people to take action and tried to make this a better world for all living things. Today, the Gumby champ observation that Jane started is the longest continuous study of any animal in their natural habitat in history. James still keeps a small house at Gumby. It is the same one she lived in with Hugo. According to Jane, the best days of her life were spent their. People sometimes ask why she doesn't spend more time there now. The answer is she still has worked to. Jane travels around three hundred days each year all over the world. She's never place longer than three weeks. She has too much important information about animal, advocacy and conservation to share. And she's spreading an equally important message about how we must all show respect and love for living things around us especially each other. Now jeans role is to make sure that the next generation are better stewards and we've been to the Earth And whenever Jayme visits her childhood home England, she's created an old friend. Eighty five years after Jane I received the Gift From her father, her beloved stopped chimps. Jubilee still sits on her dresser. He's hairless from all. The loving Jane has given him. Much like love. She shared for animals and with the world. Harold I'm shady from Nashville Tennessee. Today's episode was hosted by Cristina Mittermeier, a marine biologist activist and conservation photographer Christina founded the International League of conservation, Corps, Talk I, and he's the CO founder of see Legacy a nonprofit organization dedicated to the protection of our JEN's. This podcast is a production of rebel girls and Boom Integrated Division of John Marshall Nubia. It's based on the book series. Good night stories rebel girls. visit www dot, rebel girls dot com and use the Promo Code rebel podcast. Get fifteen percent off. Are Executive Producers Are Elena if he and Danny Lani this season was produced by John. Marshall. Cherry Sarah Storm and Robin. Lie, Karen. Is Production Manager. This episode was written by Rebecca Barons and edited by ninety proof read by Danielle over your original theme music was composed and performed by nature of our jockey. Who is also sound design. This episode Muttiah Marchelli was the sound mixer. Until next time, stay tuned and stay rattle.

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Every Day We Live, We Make an Impact: A Conversation with Dr. Jane Goodall

Blazing Trails

27:32 min | 8 months ago

Every Day We Live, We Make an Impact: A Conversation with Dr. Jane Goodall

"Woo-hoo. ooh Me Jane another chimpanzee would recognize it was me. In that Jane is none other than Dr Jane Goodall the celebrated primatology, lifelong conservationist sharing with us the district greeting call the chimpanzees she's been studying for the past sixty years. Welcome to another episode of blazing trails. I'm your host Michael Revolt themselves studios. Jane Goodall has dedicated her life to protecting chimpanzees and fighting tirelessly for a better world but today like millions of people around the planet. Dr Goodall is also in self-isolation in her childhood home in England in April she joined salesforce Jodie Connor to talk about the powerful ways. This pandemic is reminding us how we're all interconnected. But before we jump over to Jodi acquired about work, dot, com work, DOT COM, and all new suite of APPS and resources that leaders around the world can use to reopen reskill employees and respond efficiently to the covid nineteen pandemic reopening will be journey but worked dot. COM is your guide to learn more go to work DOT COM. And now, salesforce is jody Kohner and Dr Jane Goodall. She is a world primatology renowned. Hello she is a renowned a primatology just anthropologists conservationist author activist trailblazer, personal hero of mine treasure to the planet She has been doing sixty years of groundbreaking work studying chimpanzees and Tanzania and really redefining species conservation She is a U. N. messenger of peace and she now dedicates all of her time to the Jane Goodall Institute which she launched in Nineteen seventy seven. So Jane Welcome. Welcome to our little show here not as like to thank you for inviting me and mock any off and I have collaborated on planting trees, which of course is slightly. Right now but. I want to greet all of you listening from around the world and hope that you're keeping safe and welll and all your loved ones as well. Is this an awful lot of suffering people who've lost their jobs and people who have loved ones who are Dying on dead, but you know the rest of US battle on, we don't know how long for but we will get together. We will survive this as we have survived a things in the past. So this is just to welcome you and say how happy I am to be here with you. Thank you and triggering off of that and what we have survived in. The, past you know this is certainly not the first cross species contamination that you have lived through when you were in combat, Tanzania the family of monkeys where stricken with polio, SARS and HIV were also other species viruses and wondering if you can speak for a little bit about what these occurrences have taught you and what we really need to learn from these incidents well. I hope that this time we will really take up the lesson that this. Kobe. Powers I mean it's the first time. The whole world is being shut down but you said lived through their experience I lived through World War Two you know that was grim. We were fighting a known seen enemy. Now way fighting an an unseen minute anime in this virus I was also in New York that time of the destruction of the twin towers that seemed like the ending of the world for a while it did change the world and I've been in other. African. Countries when those killing and rioting on things like that. But? Yes. The thing that people really need to understand is that we have brought this pandemic on ourselves. It's being predicted for years and years and years by people studying these. So called zoonotic diseases, that's animals that's diseases that jump from animals to people and very often it's things like the wet markets that's where they sell live and dead animals for meat. In Asia, it's the BUSHMEAT markets in Africa it's our intensive farming of domestic animals in all these situations animals are crowded together with people often an on hygiene comes sanitary a crowded and extremely cruel conditions, and that gives the opportunity for a virus to cross the so-called species barrier. And it attaches itself to another virus in all bodies and we get these pandemics. So yes, you mentioned size was Mazda came from domestic bactrian camels HIV, one HIV to came into places from eating chimpanzees, and so we you know we moving deeper and deeper into the animal's habitat, destroying the forests br bringing animals in close contact with each other so that viruses jumped from one animal to another that animal may be better able to posits viruses onto us, and then of course, animals are being pushed out in two human communities because they're getting less and less of their own habitat. So the crop rating example. And this time, let's hope and pray that we learn from this pandemic which has hit every one so hard commercially with loss of life loss of jobs, loss of livelihoods and try not to let this happen again, and the last thing I'd say on the hat is the being with the chimpanzees which on monkeys by the way that apes taught me so much about how like us they are, and at the beginning I was told by the scientists. Nineteen, sixty mid sixties but difference in kind between us another animals and only we had personalities, minds and emotions, and of course, being taught by my dog, my Dobrusky I grew up with him. He taught me we not the only beings of personalities, minds and emotions. But now the doors opened and way realizing it's not just primates so like us but elephants, dolphins, buds, pigs are as intelligent as dogs more intelligent than some they can actually enjoy painting and. You can google pig castle and at Castle Oh that's raising. Let's genius and. Some crows can do Oeste them eight-year-old humans and so. These animals that are passing these viruses Aung unknowingly the ones sold in the markets that one's crammed into our intensive farms. They too are individuals with personalities, minds, and emotions. They feel fear distress and certainly pain. So we have to consider that as well as the effect on us. It's what we're doing to animals and to the natural world. So what do you? Think the role of businesses are right now I mean never to your point, the whole world is impacted by this and we're all having to really reconsider what our relationship is with the planet. What would you call to action be? What do you want businesses thinking about? Well, I think many businesses have already begun to think about the impact on the natural world and Take steps to do things differently and salesforce is one of those businesses and I can think of many more even some of the oil and gas businesses are beginning to put more money into green energy sustainable energy. So hopefully, this is a wakeup call that we need to do things differently because we have to realize that our human populations are growing and this determination. And the economic development at expensive the natural world is going to destroy us because already in some places, the natural resources being used up foster, the nature can replenish them the seven point, two, billion people, Dow, twenty, fifty, they say nine point seven and what we'll do. So we've got to thinking a different way of how we interact with the planet with each other. I know you have been hedging down on Africa and I'm also curious to kind of learn about and I've been seeing that Kobe nineteen is on the rise down. There I'm curious if we're learning more about how this might be impacting the chimpanzees, do you have any insights into what's happening there will be a many of the primates are potentially susceptible to the covid nineteen virus and we have to sanctuaries for orphaned chimps whose rather Being killed for Bushmeat Aman, of course, the Gombe Chimpanzees and is also studying chimps in Uganda and Barundi, and Marley, and DRC, and so we're having to take as many precautions as we can anybody goes into the field has to wear masks and have hygienic close of just being washed. No visitors allowed. So the sanctuaries suffering because they dependent on tourism to keep going some of them, and so you know we have huge extra. Demands for sums of money that would budgeted for, but we have to do it. You know and also, Africa. So in the US as you know health benefits, the some kind of care the money is being given to some NGOs, some businesses to tide them over under alone in Africa. So many people just live day today little stallholders beside the roads What are they going to do? They have absolutely no safety net and so Some leaders saying where we can't do shut down because people will die of starvation. So it's very worrying to think that the surgeon Africa is just beginning is just beginning right? Well, listen you. You recently had a wonderful quote in the Washington Post talking about your hope and that you have hope that you did live through World War Two and by the time you get to eighty six. You realize that we can overcome these things. So. There's a lot of doom and gloom out there. Jane, and I'm wondering about your message of hope and how you hope humanity is going to change after this. You know one hopeful thing is everywhere. There are communities coming together and individuals to help. It's a spirit of community. Getting together but is really wonderful to see an also I'm hoping there are so many millions of people living in some of the big cities who never know what it is to breathe clean air except perhaps fortnight's holiday somewhere. To look up and see the starry sky in the middle of the city, and this is happening all over the world. If there's enough millions and millions of people than ultimately those millions of people who do not want to go back to the old days of pollution will be able to push business and government to make the necessary steps to prevent too many emissions and to do what? It takes to prevent another pandemic, but also to keep a home and are these the types of messages that we're going to get to see in the documentary I. Think it's called Jane Goodall. The hope is I think we can use all use a good dose of is it's pretty amazing. It's actually happening now. Isn't it? It I? I'm assuming you didn't know this was coming when you. Will basically I think many people have seen the previous documentary Jane the concentrating on the early days the one as the best days of my life this is more about the world I've done an activist, the impact it's had on so many different kinds of people going from you know some very poor passed in the middle of nowhere in Africa the People James. Baker and and the head of NIH. So I'm fascinated when my back I think that's strange. How did that happen? It's pretty remarkable. You've had a tremendous impact on this planet. It's really staggers me and I don't understand how this happened is nothing I thoughtful. Wanted A yes. I wanted to help protect chimpanzees and get them out of medical research of animals to. Fight the intensive farming, not just the animal farming but the agricultural this way poisoning, the land with chemicals messing about with genetically-modified food and it's dangerous. Yeah. Yeah it is. So you're sheltering in place like everyone else humans around the world and I feel like you're just kind of alluding to as well that the call of the wild has just never been stronger. You see those starry nights you know in India and Punjab, they can see the Himalayas the. Pandas in Hong Kong Xue are mating. You know. Yeah? Yes. Right. I. Saw a Fox in my in my neighborhood this week. So I feel like you know the humans are inside and the is never been happier and and we can't get out and so I'm curious to hear from you someone who's drawn so much of your inspiration in your spirituality from being in nature just how are you getting? Your nature fix I'm lucky. I'm in the House it's a family home. It was my grandmother's have some raised the money to actually buy it because she never had any money. She was married to a poor, the German and it's questionably garden, and this is where I am now over here are the books that I read as a child Tarzan. Dr Doolittle. And Garden outside you have gotten outside I can see. So you can get out into the garden. People Count and I've been a bit shocked recently to hear from people who have probably much larger homes even the news that larger than those who say, Oh, they feel are imprisoned that movements grossly grumbling at them just imagine what it's like to be six people in one small room until that, you can come out and beaten if you do. I consider myself really lucky. I've got the garden. We've got birds out. We have foxes stonefoxes have always been around yet. It's not rural, but it's the cliffs leading up from the ocean and I can take the dogs he unfortunately rather old he's never liked walking. Ness. So sometimes, are you one of those people Jane will put your dog in a baby carrier and push him around no I don't know that. Wouldn't like it he. Like taking a reluctant smale for a walk. FORCED, March. March nature's everywhere you know even in the inner city, we sometimes to program a young people roots and shoots. We have them going around a city and they've actually found endangered species that nobody knew is there they've done numb citizens, slams aunts quite exciting and really happy to hear you bring up roots and shoots I think I was just looking into this for my own kids I. Wonder if you WanNa talk a little. Bit about that there. So many parents at home with their kids and they're trying to keep them educated and entertained and roots and shoots is just another real intimate program right now yes it's one of the things I'm proudest off really starting that back in Nineteen ninety-one with twelve high school students in. Tanzania. It's now in sixty five countries and growing those hundreds of thousands of young people from kindergarten university and everything in between. The main message of roots and shoots. Each one of US makes a difference. Every single day we have a choice of what sort of different will make. Let's all of us. And each group chooses foot self three projects. One to help people want help animals when healthy the environment and then they don't have to do the same thing but they share their projects with each other. We bring them together from around the world, and so I would say over these years, hundreds and thousands of young people have been working to make this a better world and they keep their values of the Salata that in this film that's coming out, they keep their values even when they're grown up and sometimes have very responsible positions. So I go around China and people come up to me and say, but of course, I care about the environment I was in roots and shoots in primaries. So it's having a huge impact, it's my greatest reason for hope, I, love that I feel like everyone should do this or should be no age limit on this. I am reading books for the children some of the books I wrote two children we pull it I think storytime with Jane or something you know thinking all the time of other things to do to keep young people occupied just imagine this happening twenty years ago we wouldn't have been able to have this sort of communication. You know the human intellect is amazing. It's the thing that makes us more different from the rest of the animals than anything and it's bizarre this intellectual being destroying its own the home but. You. Know the intellect is amazing and this is just one example that I'm talking to people I can't see you will I can feel you all that and you also need you are loved. You know more than any other guests that we've had Jane. We have had more children reaching out to send you their regards and just say, hello through are the parents of the people who work at salesforce we perceive well, wishes from Lily and from Eva and from rex, and we got the most adorable video from a five year old boy named Theo and we're going to email it to you afterwards. But. He had a great question. He wanted to know his name is Theo Lorenzen and he wanted to know if you still have your stuffed ape jubilee well was given to me when I was one and a half years old and I still have him. But unfortunately, he's on lockdown just like the rest of us he had been exhibition put on by the National Geographic I. Think it's called. Jane Something Am I. Did I was reluctant to let jubilee go at me spree precious eighty four and a half years old. So generally is locked that he they took him away for you. Well, no I I agree because I. Okay. The People's I wouldn't let him go till. They made a bulletproof case but Hingis can. I do have the oh I do have missed H. and LOW MISSED APE I've had him for twenty eight years and he's with me everywhere given to me by a blind magician who decided you know he'd learned skydive and he's learned to paint. And he thought he was giving me a chimpanzee but I made him hold the tail said Gary Chimps don't have tails. Never, mind taking away you go. You know my spirits with you. Gary Horn and the that he's done called blind artists and in it is a portrait of Mr H. He's never seen who need felt oh, that is really You can get it on Amazon he published it himself and It's H.. A. U.. N., H.. U. N. album I will check that out. Okay. We have a few minutes left. Catherine has any bar play submitted questions through Saturday we could take. A couple of questions. The first question I have for you is you spend many years absorbing chimps at awhile what lessons have you learned from them that you've been able to apply to your life visible pay to be how are science was to make an there was this unbridgeable chasm between the US, which just isn't true but you know on a more sort of intimate level. So to speak in Chimpanzee Society as in ours, there are good unless good. Mothers I was fortunate in having a supportive mother who was the only person who didn't laugh at me when I was ten and dreamed of going to Africa living with animals, writing books about them and she just said Jane. If you really want something like this, you'll have to work really hard advantage of every opportunity. But if you don't give up, we may find a way less message I take all around the world and we find in chimps we now. Onto the fourth generation and we find that the offspring of the protective affectionate supportive mothers do better. The males reach a higher position in the hierarchy simul kids and the females better mothers, and I also learned from watching some of the mothers they have such fun with their babies they play with them. They lie on their backs dangling from their feet they tickle them they chased him around the trees. I'm going to have fun with my baby and I did. Wonderful and kind of a somewhat related question. What was kind of the greatest act of compassion that you witnessed between the different at chimpanzees over time observing the most moving compassionate is when an adult chimpanzee adopts Muller's often usually it's not about the system they almost automatically adopt an infant. The child must be at least three survive because they suckle for five years but sometimes unrelated adult. So adolescence will adopt the men say their lives is very moving to see. How another one of our employees, SA's like you've witnessed so many different things over the years and so many acts of cruelty towards others, animals, how are you able to keep your compassion and not get burnt-out considering angry what kind of tips do you have for us to kind of maintain that composer a hook? On Festival in I'm pretty obstinate and I'm not going to give up an more people try and do things that I think are wrong more. I'm going to tackle them but I think the big secret is not to show aggression not to point fingers not to lay blame but you've got to reach the heart is not much good arguing and if You reach the heart. How do you do the I do it with stories are some lovely stories I could tell you but it's time. But if you can cause a person to think even if they don't agree with you at the time, you leave the story with them that they then think about later and I watched so many examples of people actually. And don't make people lose face, it doesn't work. Good advice always other other questions Katherine. Have more questions. So on another side note, there have been reports of increased poaching in Africa related to Kobe nineteen, and so what are some ways that we can kind of contribute now to the conservation efforts on the ground and support local communities I think it's going to be very important to raise money to enhance programs like ours to carry program is working with the communities around Gumby and also in the. Other African countries and if you want people to stop poaching, you have to do two things one, you have to find alternative ways of people making a livelihood if they were, for instance, getting money from punting, poaching, cutting down a forest fire or making charcoal and things, and secondly you have to work on the demand. So our roots and shoots programs in Asia, you know concentrating on telling people. Actually Rhino Horn is just like fingernail and Pangolin scales wound help you and have bile give you a disease. So we work on that end but I think people can truly help by supporting conservation programs on the ground involving local people it's true poaching does go up because conservation organizations are no longer able to pay rangers the National Parks same situation people starving, and so they go and kill the animals, the parks or shoot elephants sell the ivory it's legal. Thank you for sharing that with US getting that important call. To action to get involved support, these local conservation organizations is there anything you'd like to leave us with any parting words anything you want US thinking about as we head into our weekends? Well, you have a week him. I don't know what a weekend is to be honest. It just carries on for me. You know reading books for people and doing video messages and interviews and Pud costs and you name it, we do it and I'm putting words are you know think of any which way you can get children involved? In programs like roots and shoots think of how you personally can make a difference in your life whether it's contributing money whether it's raising awareness. There's always something people can do. It depends who you are what your interests are but just I think the most important thing to remember is that every day we live, we make an impact and think about the consequences of the more choices we each day or do we buy it we wear what we eat. Where did it come from? Did it harm the environment it resulting? Cruelty to animals is it cheap because of child slave labor or inappropriately paid labourers in some other country and try to make ethical choices and went billions of people make ethical choices we'll be moving towards better world. Thank you. Thank you the impact that you have had on our world and us, and just me personally I'm so inspired by you. You are an absolute treasure. So please promise me. You will take care during this very crazy time and and we hope to be talking with you again soon be well. That was Dr Jane Goodall with jodie Connor talking about how it's more urgent than ever to stop destroying the planet and to protect it. You learn more about Jane's work by checking out the Jane Goodall Institute at Jane Goodall Dot Org. I'm Michael Rowbotham sells for studio soon. Thanks for joining us. Today.

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