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#214: Fantasy Islands, Pt. 2 - Portrait of a Lady on Fire

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#214: Fantasy Islands, Pt. 2 - Portrait of a Lady on Fire

"We keep the line between the past. You believe there's someone out and and turn take possession of living through path but not through with us. Welcome back to the next picture. Show a movie of the week. Podcast classic film in the way it shapes our thoughts on a recent release. I'm Scott Tobias. He again with Tasha Robinson and via skype. We have Keith ups and Genevieve Kofsky in our last episode we revisited the controversy of Jane. Campion's nineteen ninety-three arthouse hit the piano. I good Today we're talking about another toward affair with Portugalete on fire the new film by French director. Selene Syama Seema's previous films. Water Lilies Tomboy. Girlhood have all been coming of age dramas about adolescence with fluid gender and sexual identity with portrait of lady on fire. Seema's dealing with grownups but she retains an interest in same sex relationships and characters with the courage to defy social norms. Naomi Milan stars as Marianne a late. Eighteenth Century painter who is brought to an isolated island of the coast of France to paint a wedding portrait. The tricky part of her assignment is that Helis. The bride to be played by Adele. Hannele has refused to pose for a portrait so Marianne sets about painting Helis and secret but in order to get the details right. She spends a lot of time observing her talking to her and the two develop a natural friendship when Halloween his mother leaves for Italy home to the nobleman. Her daughter is arranged to marry. The two women are left almost entirely alone with only sophie made to tend to them. In those few days they have together. Marianne Halloween's fall for each other. But they don't have much time for love until reality intrudes again. The coolest pounded cyclist hush. The discussion with the move to save my passenger. My sister will be which was here so portrait of lady on fire. What what did everyone think I loved it me to touch me? Look this seemed like the centers is Coming not strong. I mean it's it's very pretty and it's very heartfelt. It left me a little cold. I've been trying to sort of think through why that is and I think fundamentally for me it's just a feeling of never quite feeling. The Halloween came into focus. As a character I feel a bunch of interesting little touches like the way once. Her mother has gone. She works in the kitchen like she helps cook and serve like she's not standing on ceremony as like the Lady of the House and expecting to be catered to and there's that moment when she first goes running for the cliffside and you think that she might just go over the cliff and she just says like she's she's dreamed of running. I wanted more of that To not put to find a point on it more of that fire throughout the film. I just found her so passive and distant and remote so much of the time in a way that I found. Maybe a little unsatisfying in a story that so much about passion I you're mistaking anger for for remoteness of RITA'S CHARACTER. Is is just the first time we see her until until the last just kind of driven by cutter rage resentment at just the circumstances of being a woman and this time and. I think that she's only really supposed to come alive as a character for this very short period of time. Like it's a it's a literal literal but it's a it's an actual like spark of personality. You know it exists in this short window when she and Marianne are together and open about their feelings for each other and then it goes away when she's shipped off at the end and that that ending is is so heartbreaking on several levels because of that but I mean I think you know I feel like this is maybe the strongest connection to the piano. And what's at the heart of this? Pairing is that like it's about characters who are constrained by society and find a brief window of opportunity or a small way to express themselves within those constraints. So I think like knowing too much about Eli's character in the short period of time that we are experiencing her story would take away from the impact of it for me. I don't know I mean we. See Eight is stubbornness just in every moment on her face like from that first moment when she she wants the natives to move all of her stuff like where she wants to go when she wants the piano to be brought to her home and she can't have that lake we see this intensity of character in her and it may not have much outlet. It may not have much released. But it's just so clear. I just found Louise like so often. There is the scene by the beach where her dress catches on fire and she just continues to walk and she actually sort of glances down at it and sees. It doesn't do anything about it. It doesn't seem to be that she hasn't noticed it. It's that she's not acting on it for some reason and I felt that kind of strange passivity throughout the film. Maybe she is looking down at her dress and thinking like I am in a rage about my place in society and I will let myself burned it off before I will go onto the faith that has been given me. But you don't feel that in the expression on her face she just. She seems so often barely there like she's just going along with whatever. Marianne and Sophie had to say she isn't though the senseless she has. That explains Mary presence there. She won't pose for portrait. I mean that is her at one. Little Stubborn Act of rebellion. That you've done on this this island and that's what kind of makes the film the film. I don't know it's a it'll make everything you need emotional sense in this movie. I I really did love it and I and one of the things I really liked about it too. Was this setting of like of where you start with these characters who really are in a box hell especially cannot do anything to is taken out of the side of the convent now forced into this marriage that she doesn't want to go into and has no choices at all and then once her mother leaves. The Island. They can completely rewrite the rules of how to live in that space. It's so exciting right. I mean just like having to live under these very repressive social norms and then having that completely gone to where anything goes in the feeling of that so exhilarating for the time that they're Megan almost pair this movie with something like before sunrise or something where it's just like you got this little period of time in there's a decision that's made very naturally by both of these characters that they're just go for it you know. They're not going to hold anything back that they're not going to the inevitability of this end too much and then they're going to give each give themselves over to each other. There's something beautiful in that my opinion and I wouldn't call Halloween's like passive. I think she's a quiet character but I think there's a smolder to her to her silence. I think that kind of ignites like like you say Scott once once they are alone but also I think Hellas Arc in this movie is from object to subject so much of this movie is about gays in the the sort of transmission of the gays between the artists. And the subject. Probably my favorite scene. The one that kind of made me wipe the sweat off my brow. Is when Hell Louise kind of points out to Marian like I'm looking at you I've seen you too. It's like that moment. That kind of cracks this this wall between them where up until now. Hello as has been something. That Marian is studying and sort of an enigma. That she is trying to create a painting of an. What results from that is passive? It is kind of the vision of that. I think you are getting throughout the film Tasha. But as it progresses in Halloween just becomes an actual person. Both in Marion is and to my mind in our eyes. And that's reflected in the painting that that comes through. Its you know. She's not a still life. I think there are some interesting choices. Being made in some of the things that Helis refuses to react to like the whole plot arc where Sophie needs to abort the fetus. That's growing inside. Her and Henry's has no commentary on any of it like really neither of them do. There's never a question of will. Should you keep the child or do you want the child or like a child? Like there's there's no discussion of it. It's taken as a matter. Of course that they're going to go through all of his actions and they help sophie out with it in just a very like matter of fact sort of way and you could sort of see maybe Marianne as like a young independent woman may have gotten herself in a similar situation at some point going along with this but again it's interesting that Hell Louise doesn't really express an opinion doesn't ask any questions like in a lot of different kinds of stories. This would be a way to express the author's opinion or to express like something going on in society and there would be little speeches made about how children like limit your choices or ruin your body. Or whatever whatever's going through Sophie's mind but in this case everybody's so calmly matter of fact about it and the only hint we get that this is a point of interest to how Louise is after. It's over when she pushes. Marianne to painted like to to sort of recreate the situation and and create some sort of a record of it like she's clearly feeling something there. Something that motivates her to want to make sure this moment is not forgotten but again I found her very opaque. I see that. She's feeling something all this that she kind of kept concealed from us and I see that she is acting on those emotions and using her choices to affect other people. But I just I still. I don't really know what's going through her head or through her emotions during any of this. Yeah I guess. I don't know that I need to know again. It goes back to the temporary nature of of this relationship. You know like they don't know each other that well but there is still this attraction sort of developing on a surface level. But just this very sort of introductory level that they're never really able to get past because this is such a short window that their relationship is existing in so it's it never really able to progress beyond this infatuation stage and hell. Louise does kind of remain an enigma in some ways to Marianne and therefore to us with another Williams things going back to the piano for me where it's like. This film makes emotional sense in. It's all in the film making. I think that the shot of Helis when they're outside in their faces are covered up. And you just see her is. That's a shot that we're gonNA see forever like let's extrordinary movie moment and it's just you can compile those sorts of things and make relationships makes sense in such a economic and visual way and so. I felt like we got the beats that the film needed to hit. You know we needed to feel that sense of betrayal will that Marianne is having to go about painting this portrait. The way she paints it and then of course we feel of course the power of the decision that she makes that this painting is not good enough you know quote unquote not good enough and she wipes it out in the effect that must have on. Halloween is that she's taking this perfectly fine portrait that she's done her job and she's decided to throw that in the garbage and we feel that too and then of course and we feel the the attraction that they have for each other that the fact that they're seeing each other observing each other know how the other breeze and what certain non verbal tics that they have what they mean whether trying to what the what they're saying about each other. I mean it all makes sense in his also beautiful and is also like intuitive? And it means what great filmmaking is a whole lot of it in this movie which I do quite a bit. I just think that Marian is such an interesting character. I mean she's she. She's introduced to us in a way that just kind of like speaks to her independence and ferocity when she loses her canvases overboard. She doesn't call for one of the on board to like try to fetch it in with the or or to go after it. She jumps in after it herself when she's dumped on the seaside with her gear. Much like eight is in the piano. She picks it up and carries it herself a change. She climbs up this hill with the this huge bag in this huge box on her back. And there's a sense of this isn't what I'm expecting from. Something set in this time period from a woman like she tells us the story of how she studies in secret and paints and secret because women aren't allowed to know about male anatomy so they're held back from creating anything the great subjects the classic material all of these little bits and pieces that we have her life in her behavior. She just seems so much. More interesting to me Louise. Well we'll also keep in mind that up until this point. Halloween has been in a convent. You know and that was sort of as I understand it. The fate of the of the second daughter in in this time in place in society. Like you know up until her her sister died. She was prepared for a life of solitude and silence in the convent and now that she is no longer there. I think we are sort of seeing louise come alive in this new phase of her life and again you get into the spark fire. Imagery is very prevalent. There I think in that aspect of her character so I don't disagree I don't think Holloway's is interesting of a person who is or has led is interesting a life at this point as Marianne. I guess you could make the argument of well. So then what does Marian. Cnn CNN her? But I think the answer to that question comes through in what Scott is talking about the sort of the emotional logic of the film more than the on paper. What does this person have to offer? Okay so speaking of the emotional logic of the film. Maybe you guys can explain to me what was going on in the in the Beach Party scene because I love that style of music so much and I thought that the song was beautiful and the idea of these women all coming together in the dark kind of like wordlessly. Creating this beautiful musical thing was very moving and the sequence we get out of it with L. Louise's dress catching on fire and her kind of being almost indifferent to it for a moment is a very beautiful image but at the back of my head I was like but they're on a remote island in the middle of nowhere. Like where did these twenty women suddenly come from from a beach party like who are they were they where they sent? Did they just see the lights of the island decide to park? They're on the way there. A journey to someplace else like are these women from the covenant like what what are we seeing? I don't think the Manor House as a whole the island though it's a settlement. We only see this house but there are other people there was my sister betty. Also there's also the midwife with the the sophie goes to for for the abortion or wherever light is there to presumably. Yeah as for how I read that sequence. Tasha like I think you know that I as I recall. That happens shortly after the contest leaves the island and it sort of feels like that. Scene is sort of the Both the movie and the characters getting in tune with a more sort of primal strain of femininity than they ever have access to within the structures of the society that that does exist on this island and the contest represents you know we don't really see any men in this movie outside of the the very first in maybe last seen so. I feel like the beach. Party is sort of transitioning the setting into a more purely feminine space that allows Marianne and Halloween's to transition their relationship into something else that can only really exist in this new space ethics. So much of the of the movie is also about the lives of women that exists away from men as you say but also went on record it. That's what's so important about that scene where she's drawing the abortion. I think that's why did not want the titular portrait of a lady on fire exhibited to her students because that was outside the realm of what was a proper subject for painters. Do at that time and I think that's I mean. Of course the love affair itself is outside the realm and something that was not talked about or written about or written down just like the abortion wasn't written down or recorded but we know what happened and I think that's Striking the way the movie explores that recreates it. It is just kind of a fantasy in a way of like of a place where these rules don't apply in. I mean somebody even something like the abortion and the bonfire scene. It's all everything's entered into in such a natural and friction lists way because this is a this is an island of women and there's no one is telling them what to do and so we get to kind of experience for this little bit of time with that actually is like and how characters a bee behave and find a little bit of happiness Under those conditions. But we'll hit more of this fantasy island theme After the break when we talk about the connections between the piano and portrait of a lady on fire aw kogenate hidden now. It's time for connections when we bring these two films together. Talk about all the things that have in common and boy. I think they have a lot in common. I was super excited when I saw. We definitely wanted to do portability on fire but none of us had seen it. We just heard it was a great thing and the piano was among the movies that people suggested to us and when I watched Puerto Relating on fires like Oh yeah we really shouldn't be the piano So one of those one of the connections here I think would be mystery desire and consent which I guess. They're all entangled. I mean these are both to some extent portrait of a lady on fire arguably much more so they are both romances and about romantic relationships in sexual relationships in I think in both cases those relationships are defined by at first mystery. Like both sets of romantic pairings. Have this element of one person. Being sort of unknowable to the other in one another and then that informs their desire to some extent and then complicates the issue of of consent and how to move forward with the sexual component of their relationship. So I think especially in terms of consent where they diverge the most but also is perhaps a more interesting topic in in the piano because there is the the male female dynamic that there is not In in portrait of a lady on fire but there is also still a certain imbalance between a Marian. Halloween Bishou concerns. Let's get shifted away from sex and toward the art that she's trying to create without loss. Of course yes. Thank you is what I was thinking when I suggested this connection and I knew there was something more there so I think like we could have made mystery desire and consent all their own connections but I think all three are so fundamentally part of both of these relationships that it just becomes its own trifecta connection just question just become so interesting and portrait of a lady because it's not just that. Marianne is creating art of Halloween. Without her consent she's creating art in order to sell her to a man without her consent. She's creating art with the express idea of like pleasing her mother and taking money in exchange for becoming part of this this project to sell young woman against her will to amend that she doesn't know and hasn't seen and the fact that she backs out on that when she when she wipes the the oil off the painting and then that Louise later does give her consent and it becomes kind of an erotic thing between them becomes a very interesting and very much a parallel between the question of exactly. How much does eight a consent to with Baynes when she agrees to the deal over the piano every time they renegotiate that every time he asks her for something bigger something more escalating and she negotiates for more of the Piano and response? There's a question like the question of consent. There is very complicated. She doesn't refuse. There's certainly question of whether they she could refused. He has something that she she desperately wants. But he's also not physically forcing her in theory he could refuse and in theory it becomes something of a push pull between them but I think in both cases there's just sort of a a question of ownership in addition to the question of a question of which among them owns like the the right to their property of the right to to the thing that actually belongs to them in AIDS cases the piano which was taken away from her against her will without her consent without really any right to do so and Halloween. That's her own an image. It's her own face. That's being taken from her without her consent. I think too you know and this is something. That's so common in a lot of love stories that I respond to in movies I is. I think that all of the tension that comes between couples like this has to do with the issue of equality of people who may start the relationship a relationship with a very unequal power balance coming to terms in finding this point at which they're level and they both have a hold on each other and that's when they can be completely intimate real with each other and things sparks ten to fly. I mean I appreciate. The both films are explicit in Parnell. And kind of you know hot as they are. I mean they're very intense films that you respond to in a real visceral way. I mean it's that's another thing they have in common Stay on the subject of you. Know they're Karnali or their eroticism. I I do on a briefly focus on the the armpit seen in portrait of a lady on fire. It's funny I first of all you know and like there are little flashes of humor in this film that I don't want to let go unremarked upon in sort of what makes it funny is it is playing on the Earth sorta pointing out to the viewer. What you are expecting to see in this moment in sort of upending your expectation while still maintaining the eroticism of the moment. It's a very playful moment. That still maintains its eroticism in go back to the consent connection like it's sort of another way of storing the relationship between them and the openness that is developing between them like they're taking drugs together. They're getting together and I. I don't know precisely what what they are are using the these to be applied topically to the armpit but it does require a certain element of trust to do that with a partner. Yeah I just really liked that moment and I don't think there's any sort of analogous seen in the piano. That is sort of. Oh maybe it's when she When they actually finally kind of climbs into bed with him in his sort of asserting herself a little more sexually kind of exploring his his body. I got the impression from the description. The Look of the stuff that it was sort of has she treatment but I have never before seen a drug use seen in a movie where patch was applied. Topically to armpit hair so I was. I was curious tongue. Exactly what's going on there but I mean again. It sort of speaks to some of the mystery of the film. Like if we if we don't know where all of this women suddenly came from for a a nighttime coral idol. We don't necessarily need to know what it is. That's absorbed through the armpit hair. I wanted to focus in on the desire idea in your mystery desire consent. Trifecta here I mean Scott was making the point that these are both like very erotic movies but at the same time I think it's it's very possible. According to Your your personal bent your personal feelings about eroticism in romance to read either of them as like a very smooth journey and romantic love story about people finding each other against all odds in in the midst of like these oppressive situations or you can read them. As like almost transactional stories of people turning to the one outlet. They can find because they're in these situations where there's there's no one else I think it's entirely possible to read. Ada and bans by the end of the movie is in love with each other and I think it's equally possible to see that relationship is something that's really only beautiful because it's the relationship. She chose as opposed to the relationship. She was given and in the same sort of way Halloween. Turning to Marianne. Like you can see as like a moment of of experiencing true love or you can see it as just turning in desperation to something that she actually gets to choose in a situation. Where if she doesn't get to choose much. I'm just I'm curious for each of the three of you. I guess how much you bought into these relationships as idealized classic romances verses relationships of of convenience at the moment and of choosing choice as opposed to like helplessly falling in love. Why Beth importer Leon on fire? There's a much more easy consent. They're much more yielding to. What is I think pretty? Well established sparks between these. Two touch. Point is is such restrictive circumstances. That's her only choice so sure but but I don't agree with you. I feel regardless I I I guess I never really thought about it. That way. that's an answer to my question. In and of itself I feel like portability on fire is much more purely romantic into my mind because it's not complicated by the bramble of patriarchal oppression and the sexual blackmail and everything that is wrapped up in Ada in Baynes Relationship but I like hearing you talk about it Tasha. I'm realizing it is. It does sort of raise. The question of what is informing Marian's desire. I think I get it a lot. More on Halloween as part just because she is in this point in her life where she's on the precipice of of being sold off into marriages essentially and this is sort of a last gasp of finding herself or or being herself with with this woman. It's a little trickier where Marianne desire comes from. I think the answer that I read from the film is that it has to do with her art and sort of the subject of her art coming alive in what that would feel like to an artist like to actually feel that connection to what you are studying in in creating I think would inflame a sort of of passion that could very easily become sexual in the in the right context. And this is the right context. These are two films directed by women. These are two film that have a lot of eroticism that I have a lot of linking one question I would ask is like you know. We're so used to seeing these sorts of explicit love stories through the eyes of a male director. What's what's the difference here. What's the difference from seeing this? From the perspective of through the eyes of Jane Campion Lean Syama. The most obvious example of the gays and the piano is is alistair staring at his wife with another man without her. Knowing I think the example of the gays there is like even if it's just on a visual level taking something that doesn't belong to you and possessing it if that image if nothing else and and portability on fire. It's very much what we see is very steering. Halloween's but to study her to create something and to kind of try to capture her essence in a way and I don't know if that's how you know I want to be men look like this with a very interesting examples of hallows depicted across those two films to degree like one of the more interesting things to come out of these. Both being women directed movies is just the view of the films. Just don't seem to be that interested in the eroticism of female bodies as passive objects like when Baines pulls a day in his bed and watch her to lie with him she curls up defensively like she she brings her knees up to conceal her body. And there's nothing particularly like I'm I honestly I keep coming back to the titanic James Cameron's titanic and paint like your French girls like there's nothing like that. That's just the camera. Lingering on a beautiful female body except during the moment where Alistair is is peering through and seeing the two of them lying together and his focusing on eight US body for the most part what we see in Ada in particular is the few things Iraq in the movie than the moment where she removes her her outer top and see the muscles flexing in her her back in her arms. And you see under the layers of clothing that she wears. She's strong like that's there's much more focus on the muscles in her back than there is on her breasts are on her ass or anything like that and in the same sort of way. Sema keeps catching the two women like in bed together like lying down on their backs which is not the most flattering position for for female breasts. When you're lying on your back. Everything's tends to kind of like flatten and spread and male directors typically will give you women like standing up so their breasts hang like looking over their shoulder so you can see like as much as possible of the buttocks the breasts at the same time kind of the Classic Comic Book Boobs and asked pose. And you don't get any of that here you get the idea that what's erotic is the fact that they're choosing this sexuality and actions in bed together but they feel like they're doing it for themselves and for each other not for like a lusty camera. That's like looking for a playboy spread moment a couple moments from each film that I want to kind of highlight in the in the context of this connection. I think it's interesting and pointed that the first full frontal nudity we get in the piano is male nudity just feels like a purposeful inversion at that point and it's certainly not the the last nudity we get but it is the most. I think striking for that for that reason and then In portrait of a lady on fire. There's that scene again. All kind of funny but also very very sweet. I think where Marian where Louise Is Lamenting that? She won't have any image of Marianne to remember her her by so she draws a self portrait using mirror propped up in a very pointed era area of the of the female anatomy which again feels like a sort of liberalisation of the Naroda size female gaze. There's also that I shot of Marianne in front of the fire like after. She's jumped into the sea to retrieve her canvases. She shows up at House soaking wet. And these these dresses that they're wearing a very big and bulky and heavy and you can feel how heavy it would be like completely sodden. So she strips down to the skin to dry off and you see her silhouetted against the fire and again it is. It's not the most ARADO sized use of of female nudity like sitting in that kind of hunched over position glick gives her the the slightest bit of Panch at the Tummy again. It doesn't really show her breasts in the most erratic way. It's very animalistic in a way. You know it's it's just about warmth and comfort the waste that she sitting. She's not displaying herself for anybody. She's sitting in a way that's comfortable for her against the fire but it's also just a reminder that under all of these layers and layers of clothing in these gigantic skirts this what's underneath. It all is like a physical body and it's kind of like an early tease early reminder that no matter how like bulked out these these costumes get which is also something you feel a lot in In the piano especially when whenever eight trade across the mud you you get the sense of like you. Lose THE BODY FOR THE COSTUME. Because the costume so huge. I don't know if we're GONNA go full into costumes connection but as you you mentioned. Asia's dress in the obscuring of the body. Just WANNA call it. That amazing shot after Alastair cuts her finger off and she's kind of stumbling silently through the mud and she likes sinks down in her dressed as like balloons up over her. It's very like it. Looks like a jellyfish or something. You know it's it's totally weird organic form that it takes on that that feels completely removed from its function as address. The dresses in both films are so important. I mean you think about the green dress that is supposed to pose in and how weird it looks on her Hong Comfortable. She looks at it And then you know of course. There's a bit where she decides to bathe in the in the ocean and takes takes off and it's A. It's a much different feeling but but I have to say we have gotten well well into both of these episodes in somehow the Michael. Nyman has never come up even though even though the score for the piano is probably you know one of the most famous and memorable and I think great scores of the ninety S. I wanted to get into a little bit into the music of these films. Right a first of all I just WANNA. I wanted to get your impression about just starting with the piano. What do you think of that score? And what do you think of the use of the importance of that score to the whole movie? I'm not completely contradict what I said in the first episode. I guess about how you should never show show people the art because they're going judge it in different ways Lee. The one exception that I can think of to that rule is this kind of like performance thing like I. Amadeus is still one of my all time favorite films. And it's it's one of the few films I feel really pulls off that sensation of ordering to present you with the art and you're GonNa feel what we want you to feel pretty good pretty good. He's yeah he's he's okay. He's he's done a couple of reasonably memorable ditties but mostly it's just the direction and how Melo's foreman like captures. F Murray Abraham's character salutory reacting to the music and here so much of it in the piano is about watching how response to the piano. How she responds to the music. She's making how she uses that music to express her anger in her frustration. Her her desire to be carried away. sometimes our playfulness but mostly her passion all of his passion that she doesn't express in words She expresses through the piano. And like the the score is just really key in no Pun. Intended bringing out what? She's feeling in places where she can't tell you what she's feeling now. I think that I didn't notice apart from the the beachside a sing along which again. I absolutely loved in portrait of a lady. I don't feel that music quite has the same place there but I think it was one big exception. Yeah Valdis Summer but we we get the the equivalent of it in watching. Marion's painting come together because she's in the exact same way. She is expressing things that can't be said through her art. She's expressing how she feels about how Louise in how she paints her in the same sort of way like both of these films are fundamentally about somebody using art to express things that can't be said totally I I didn't mean to cut you off there Tasha because I think like semantically. The you know the piano playing in the painting are very much linked on character level there but I do want to talk specifically about the use of music in portrait of a lady on fire because there is not there. There is no music other than that bonfire scene and the use of summer which we hear. Marianne kind of like attempting to play Near the beginning of the film then it plays a huge part in the in the final moments of the film which. Oh man that got me and I don't know about you guys but I mean that's like the acting moment for Adele handle their That final reaction shot there but In the piano music is not ever present but it is very strongly asserts itself throughout the entire film. You know it's very much part of the fabric of the film and imported ability on fire. It is used as sort of exclamation points. It's used sparingly and with great purpose of the ending of of Puerto relating to fire it. Just it kind of gets me because it's well first of all I mean it's it's the whole mon- so beautifully handled because it's like I saw her twice and you get the scene in the art gallery which is remarkable killer right page twenty eight of a book the same way and then the scene of of her alone at this performance in there just i. It's my favorite thing in movies. Probably of being able to experience this private moment that I guess Marianne is witnessing but you oftentimes just the audience is being privy to this thing that very privy to emotions that nobody else gets to see and I think Stella Dallas is probably like the classic example of that. But it's like a real great. It's a beautiful thing and I think it's it's gives us films such a punch to end it and the piano. I is unimaginable to me. It's talented is. Everyone is in his beautifully photographed as it is in well thought through and and and complex. It's just like how does it? How would it work without that Michael Knife and score? I don't know it's like it's so important. I think of as an eighteenth century filmmaker and and camping is a nineteenth century filmmaker or at least the ones about very much like sort of organization and enlightenment principles in some ways even though he's pushing back against that and the pianist romantic film and and the and the capital romantic sense. You one of the other things. These two films have in common is the myth and legend. We have stories within stories and sort of play out in these in these films. I just wanted to bring that up as a connection because it's sort of fascinated me like they're all of these tiny interesting parallels between the film like the fact that both of these women have journey by sea during which they lose the focus of their art overboard And they both end up in the water as a result but just very very different outcomes very different intense but one of the other big lake very literal parallels between them is in both cases. You have somebody telling a story and then you see the story play out in a way you have in a portrait of a lady. It's the ORPHEUS and eurydice story in the piano. It's it's blackbeard. But in both cases it's set up in advance as a very much like a fictional and classical story that's being shared among people for entertainment and then we see it actually play out among the characters like a much more literal way and I I just. I think that that's a really a common enough thing in movies. A sort of the idea of we all share these these stories that are there myth and folklore but then we actually see how they affect our lives. But I think it's really fascinating that both of these films do it in such a literal fashion particularly in the piano. It seems like when the the vicar is practicing the effect of like the the shadow play of. Here's what it looks. Like when bluebeard chops or hand off with an axe like you. It feels like foreshadowing even if you don't know what's coming. It's just this moment of of male on female violence that the women sort of like consents to in a giggly playful awkward sort of way and he delights in it. He thinks it's hilarious that he's doing this terrible thing. And then you have so many sequences that go on throughout the the piano with the axe with Sam. Neill carrying the axe around with the camera focusing on the axe and then when he gets the key from flora and he goes after his wife. The cameras mostly focused on acts an awful lot of the sequence of him. Descending on Ada are tight close ups on the blade of the axe. We know what's going to happen because we've had the story told to US already. Yeah and there's a similar foreshadowing and portability on fire with the whole turn around and made the poet's choice and all that but I I do want to point out. I was listening to an interview with CIARA on. Cbc Radio For in case anyone else wants to listen to it while you're going to school also Cbc Radio It's the first thing that pops up but They were talking about that scene. In sort of the you know why. Choose that story. But then she kind of talked about like that scene where they're actually reading the story together and put it as it's sort of their Netflix and chill. I thought that was really really funny. Way To put it but also like totally like it's like these three women like reading and discussing the story again. Totally divorced from the strictures of male dominated society in the conversations. That would happen about it in that context. They're able to have their own conversation in their own reactions to Divorce from that space. I thought that was a really kind of cool interpretation of of that moment not to bring everything back to tar some Oh renaming this. The fall cast. I'm I'm entirely with the fall. Cast I will do The fall minute by minute. Podcast in a heartbeat. But there's that moment towards the beginning win leap as his character is Kinda like slowly trying to seduce the little girl into doing things for him where he's telling her this elevated story about A dizzying and his men. I think it's a deceased and how they're in the desert and they have no water and like a runner brings brings him a tiny bit of water. That's the last of the water. And he dumps it out on the the packed sand of the desert because there isn't enough for all of them like he's not going to drink it he's not going to give the men something he doesn't have a little girl interrupts and says well that's stupid. He should have given everybody a little bit of it and I feel the same thing here. The exact same emotion like when when Sophie's to slake. That's so dumb. Why did he look back? He shouldn't have looked back lake. This is such an ancient story. It's it's something that we're probably all. Were exposed to at some point in childhood and you feel the injustice of of his choice like the foolishness of orpheus choice. But you don't feel it in the way that she does like she's clearly experiencing this literary story for the first time and she is in high budgen about it just like. How dare this idiot do this like why? It's it's like watching. Somebody throw popcorn at their television. Set during the Red Wedding and game of thrones like this popular entertainment and it just pisses her off and it's so cute that she's she's pissed off on On your behalf on the readers have just like how dare that stupid orpheus not to dwell on it but I think Tasha I think you're the only person among this is actually seen the fall. I've seen it. I talked about this movie. You made up the repair it with something just so we can have talked about it at length that would require someone making a movie anything like the fall which from. Tasha description sounds like a near impossibility. I mean to be honest it would pair reasonably well with any movie about fantabulous. Unlike any movie about escapism and storytelling and like the the nature of storytelling as escapism. I will look for opportunities but it it honestly we might not ever do it for the podcast because we try to make these movies that people can actually see and it's not streaming anywhere you have to buy on DVD. Or Blu. Ray If you WANNA see it at this point and I would advise people to do that. Because who knows when those Disc SURBITON GONNA become unavailable as well but yeah. There's no easy way to see it. And that is something we look for for these these podcasts. Well since we've departed from piano and Puerto related on fire and moved onto a third film. Probably good time to say that the piano was widely available on streaming services currently up on the criterion channel along with a selection of other. Jane campion films portrait of Lady on fire is in limited release now and should roll out to major cities throughout the next few weeks. We'll be right back with your next picture show Finally it's time to catch each other up on films or film related. Items we've seen in the interim since our last podcast we call it your next picture show and the hopes that will put some interesting choices on your radar genevieve. What in the world has been good for you lately. Well I admittedly haven't revisited this film in the super recently but I have seen it a couple of times and enjoy it very much which is Selena Gomez previous film to this two thousand fourteen girlhood Which was her third feature and Is one. She considers part of a trilogy with her first two films. Water Lilies and Tomboy. It is like those films a coming of age film One that's interested specifically in sort of the formation evolution of a young woman's identity girlhood centers on the character. Maryam a black teenager growing up in the projects of suburban Paris as she falls in with a much tougher and more worldly group of girls The film's French title translates to gang of girls. The film has a sort of episodic structure following the exploits of this girl gang and through those exploits we see. Marianne sort of reinvent herself over and over as she tries to both fin and figure out who she is or who shall become an. This often happens through acts of viciousness and even violence that can be startling but also To my mind help illustrate the sort of intoxicating effect that can form among groups of adolescent girls are all existing and the same sort of luminol state of adulthood but that effect is actually best illustrated in a much. Different sort of seen My favorite scene of the film. A real standout where. Miriam and her friends have an impromptu motel room. Dance Party to the song diamonds It's definitely the stand out scene of the film in one I sometimes still watch all by itself Which you can too. It's on. It's on Youtube. Though its full. Power may not come through without watching the entire film. I so I'd recommend you do so if you have not seen girlhood It's available on both criterion channel and canopy If you subscribe to those and then easily rentable pretty much everywhere else. Yeah I'm kind of working my way through her films for a piece that by the time. This podcast drops. We'll have been out for a while on the ringer and I'm a big Fan I just I just watched for the first time. Water Lilies debut which is very assured and also it's their first collaboration with Adele. Hannele and water-lilies is about a synchronized swimming team of which she is like the both the leader and also kind of like a character who has a reputation kind of a bad reputation and It's about the effect that she has on two other girls who are much more uncertain about who they are in the interesting about it. In comparison to portrait relating on fire is something that mentioned which is like she is kind of a not quite a cipher in water lilies but almost like catalysts you know she exists as this mysterious figure who really profoundly affects the two other girls and Yes so I'm not going to blather on about it but I think it is worthwhile in not difficult to if you have the criterion channel you can you know there are three years. She has three other features an inch. There's a short out there as well. th that isn't on criterion channel that you can catch up with her work very quickly and there are thematically connected and she's a major filmmaker and this is your chance so I do. What's your favorite of? The three Scott was my favorite of those three. I don't know it's hard to say I really tomboy was the one I saw I and so so I have a real strong connection to it but I think she's girl I think they're really good. She's got she's really good right away like like there's nothing wrong with it I mean. Why don't we always have a couple of hiccups here and there? It's not it's not maybe not perfect but it's pretty close. She knows what she's doing right away. Tomboy is the only one of those three that I ever saw and I remember it reminding me quite a bit of Katherine Baratz fat girl. It's less confrontational by far. But you know both of those are very much about young women like very very young women in their relationships to their bodies and their awkwardness in the world and how the people around them see them physically and the exact same thing. That's the so there is an interesting relationship. Brielle Brielle Catherine beyond my notes. I don't know if it's going on the piece but definitely a connection there for sure. Preempts so much more confrontational. Though I again with Tom Mboya have that that feeling of the character being maybe a little opaque and a little remote in Tomboy it bothered me much less because there was just such a sense of the movie being about discovery in about experimentation but then that is something that is definitely reflected in portrait of lady. So I'M GONNA turn that into a recommendation for all three of those films and now throaty Scott. Well let's let's let's stay on the criteria channel Because credential also has a big section on. Jane campion got two features a as Sweden age my table. It's got the portrait of a lady and wholly smoke And it has her short films which which really were a big deal at the time that the films that she made in the eighties leading up to Sweetie Really sort of prime the pump because those those films were quite acclaimed I guess two friends would be her first film. That was eighty six. I never saw that one but in any case the one thing I I was kind of inclined to revisit because it's critical reputation is sort of grown over. The years was in cut and I mentioned in the cut in my keynote and at the time I joined so many critics and certainly audiences who absolutely hated it and gave F. Cinemas Gore and thinking it was not Not a good film and film that made on a plotting level was full of all the cliches that you might expect from sort of the sexy thriller. The Post fatal attraction basic instinct. Yada Yada Yada Sixty thriller that we've been seeing for decades have been sort of tired of has to do with Meg Ryan who is Brought in as sort of a a witness of sorts to a to a brutal murder. Someone someone's going around decapitating women In the person that she's attracted to play Mark Ruffalo is detective who we are led to believe or suspect may be the killer again. These are all stock things that we see in these types of movies and the the the whole question of did he or didn't he do it. That's all that's all sort of dangled in front of you until the very end which is which is kind of ridiculous but again. It's one of those things you look between the notes and you kind of like try to think about what in the cut his actually trying to do and it sort of ends up being the deconstruction of the whole genre. From the woman's perspective very distinctly. And it's something I did not appreciate the time and I kind of appreciate more now. Being is not perfect but it is something where you have a sense of danger and a sense through this Meg Ryan character of someone who is attracted to a situation that is wrong and dangerous and a lot of ways but that she's compelled to enter into any way and then you think about how this character and about women general having to of sexual interest having to make their way into the world and the film is very interesting to be in that respect and so. I think it's Kinda worth a look. Because it's it's it's kind of one of a kind a. sub-genre that needed something like this. I think I think that film is so flawed and yet it's so fascinating. I really don't think that critics at the time had enough of an idea of what to do with it and I think in part. That's because film critics are so overwhelmingly male and it's such a female coded movie. I remember walking out of that film thinking the fundamental idea. That's going on here is. This is what a standard issue like bog. Standard Thriller would look like if you switch the genders and didn't change any of the content because what's quarter. Ryan's character is that she's playing a woman who seeks out sex the way men seek out sex like I in in movies at least certainly not wanting to make any broad real world generalizations but there are so many tropes and archetypes that were used to in terms of like a sexually ambitious woman in film is is a whore or a slut like issues either selling it. Or She's like scratching some kind of like dirty disgusting it that we should judge her for and in this case she she doesn't go about seeking sex like in a seductive way or in a mercenary way or like a financial way. She she does. She does it in a very aggressive. Like like Kalma masculine way. And everything about her character is coded as male except her actual gender and I. I think it's just like a faceting script flipped that none of the none of the things that I read about. The movie at the time seems to key into they just they saw the plot flaws but they didn't see what what was actually going on there. I'll also say he was charged. Apologized out of that movie. I have never been more aware in my life that I was the only woman. In a room. Full of male critics A fairly small screening room That about forty and had about twenty male critics and me in it and then I have never been so aware of like the closeness of male body says I was in the elevator. Full of male critics going down after that it's I feel like no matter. How like textually or conceptually flawed. That film might might be if your definition of art is something that makes you feel something emotional and like reevaluate the world around you and like really examine things taken for granted. I I would call in the cut an unqualified success. I love it What about you you know? I haven't been watching a lot of great movies lately. I watched some bad movies. And I've you know for a piece of writing So I watch some TV shows. So I'M GONNA I'M GONNA say if you're like me eight. You don't have a lot of time for movies at the moment which hopefully that'll change soon. Hopefully change for you too soon or if you just want to watch something you're gonna see anywhere else or anything like you probably wear this already. But if not could've net flicks look up. What did Jack Do? It is short film by David Lynch and we which speaks to a monkey and is gonNA leave it there And then say no more about this but it is a seventeen minutes. Well spent If you like David Lynch and or monkeys and or mysteries question Mark Question Mark Question Mark what to do and dialogue and like wipe my favorite line. Being they say real love is a banana sweet with the Golden View. That's pretty good lynch inflection. There too anyway. What did you do at? That is my recommendation very concise in in very. Yes easy to see. A suicide dropped on Netflix. I was all over it and it's a very interesting movie. Tashi you well. I just came back from the Sundance Film Festival. Which we're going to talk about in more detail or on the Patriot Fan. And I won't say that the the experience was really heavily skewed towards like weighty thoughtful arthouse cinema like I saw a lot of the the midnight movies and a little later comedy movies. And the the fantasy sci fi kind of stuff that was going on there because that's polygons audience but it did feel like a course of cinematic vegetables. I definitely don't mean that in at all in negative way but like this was there were often some like weighty heavy themes and I came back in the mood for a bag of cinematic junk food. One of the movies I sought. Sundance was a palm springs. The Lonely Island Produced Andy Sandberg starring movie that Basically yet another twist on groundhog day. And it's pretty great but it it made me think about the Groundhog Day esque movies. I hadn't seen so came back in the night after got back from Sundance. My husband and I sat down to a double feature of happy birthday and happy birthday to you For those not familiar these are horror films with a pretty hefty side of comedy The second one is maybe more. Meta science fiction comedy than than horror film but in both cases there about a woman who In college is murdered by a stalker and then discovers that she wakes up the next day and it's the same day and she's living through it again and everything repeating and the same soccer is still after her. Both of these movies are just very self aware about the genre of the Groundhog Day Movie. The the endlessly repeating day. That you can't get out of until you meet certain conditions and both of these movies explore the seat in the same way. That groundhog day does sort of in terms of well. What are you doing with your life if you have to do it over and over and over again maybe you'll start to see the flaws in your patterns the flaws in the choices that you're making the flaws in how you affect other people And happy data is. It's not very scary. Horror there a few horrific moments and it definitely does raise the question of what would I do in this circumstance But it's it's a very fleet and affecting movie it's really well assemble. It's very tight. It's well put together. Jessica Roth is the main character. I think gives a a good and fun and lively performance? And the filmmakers just do a really interesting job of Lake playing out the possibilities as somebody might in the situation do just kind of exploring everything you can or cannot get away with and then happy birthday to you starts off by taking a completely different direction. I really wish that it stuck with that completely different direction because if it gets much more ambitious and lively and interesting than what the end up doing which is just cycling back to a happy death date repeat but both of these movies build incessantly on in jokes and recognition humor and like building up patterns and being creative with all the different possibilities they make for a really fun double feature A pretty like light and lively viewing experience. If you're ever looking for basically just a way to like blow off a little steam on an evening or maybe some fun movies to watch with friends. And you like the Groundhog Day. Like speculative. What would you do with repetition model happy birthday? Happy Birthday to you fun movie. Yeah our fan too. I actually occurred to halfway through that. I've actually recommended happy on this. Podcast with you. The second one isn't quite as good but it still goes down pretty smoothly and Just like a Roth I. I think it's clever as fell bizarre. And it's well-constructed and and as Need has to have the star of the film. Be the type of character that usually gets killed off in the first active a horror film. Ross performance really sells it. It's funny it's light and she can see that character evolve and it's actually kind of touching to the stuff with their parents is like sort of you know screen screenwriter. Lee tacked on stuff in some ways but but she plays it really well so She is the only reason I'm going to hold out hope for a Otherwise ill advised remake of valley girl. It's supposed to come out later this year but She's definitely want to keep an eye on. Well that's it for this edition of the next picture. Show our next pairing come out February. Twenty fifth and March fourth genevieve. What'S COMING UP NEXT IN. Nineteen ninety-one Susan Sarandon and Gena Davis starred in a criminals on the run movie directed by Ridley. Scott that in itself would have stood out in an era when women rarely start in action movies much less big budget action movies from major directors. But there was more to the script by Kelly Corey then just gender flipping familiar genre. The film's depiction of world so threatening to women that they're forced to take action and live outside. The law made it divisive and helped start a cinematic conversation. Were still having today. Contributing to that conversation now is the new birds of prey and the fantabulous emancipation of Harlequin. A comic book movie in which driven by heartbreak and revenge the economist character becomes the center of an all female gang seeking some combination of justice and revenge. In the meantime we'd love to hear your feedback on this week's discussion of the piano portrait on fire and anything else film related. You like to talk about. We want to include your thoughts on future episodes of the show. 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Elizabeth Banks

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Meanwhile, please reach out to us here at unqualified US your questions, your answers and your stories to our website, unqualified dot com, and now here she is Elizabeth thanks. ladies and gentlemen. You're listening to qualify. With your host on affairs. Now are you doing like Inbet- Corentin Corentin. Are you home schooling yet? What are you on spring? Break? I think my son has been homeschooling me more than I have been him. Our show is off for the season. We took an early hiatus and everything and what about you guys? I know that a lot of movies have been. We were not in the middle of anything and we. We have a writer's room that's up and running. which is Great Abbas show coming out? Mrs America in April on Ethics on Hulu sat was already happening Kussin. That's one of the great ones where I got to go work with like so many amazing women so happy about I love the you do that. You've been such a pioneer when doing press for as a director what time to be the most annoying questions like as a female director. Is it so female centric? It's. It's hard. It's really hard. It's hard because you get a lot of look at you. Feminist and you're like. I'm just trying to be a filmmaker I just happened to tell a story about a bunch of women I don't know back in the day. Jane Campion I'm sure it was not asked like you made the piano with the female star in this little girl and a pack win. How what is your big feminist statement? It's hard because you at the same time. The journalists I feel need validation that women are doing better. down. A beacon of some offensive hope right right so a so I. don't want to dismiss it but I also I didn't sign up to direct movies because I felt like I was meant to make some grand feminist statements in gestures you. It's really not why I'm doing it so I do find that the messaging can cloud what the movie is what the work is actually doing I do not get. Get asked a lot about like lenses, or you know cinematography or any of the sort of technical stuff, but I obviously also have to master to direct like big huge productions I find that really fascinating like no one's interested in that and wondered. If you ever got asked like Ooh, did you like doing the action sequence and Charlie's like all that kind of Shit that they would never ask good. I've been asset the three times. I think I've been like actually offended takes a lot to offend me I love that about you. People bring their own shit to every inner yet you're you know you're just like okay. I got asked on pitch perfect to who picked all the music and I was like. Yes, so I got to pick all the music with buying music supervisor old team that puts music together yet, but who decided what the songs were? Yes, so I got to decide. Obviously, it's you know I directed the movie. I I it. The buck stops with. May I have to like pick the songs and you know figure out what the Yes yes, but like who's. Now that I just like. What do you really think it's impossible than I could have picked? These songs I thought was so interesting, and I had produced the first movie and I don't recall our male director Jason Moore. WHO IS BRILLIANT I? Don't recall him being questioned about if he had really done it. Do you know what I mean? That was like this just it like the scientist poke like, but but it wasn't really and then same thing kind of happened with the action sequences. It was like you know and tries needles. Bid Of so, but who came up with the action sequence. You don't like my name is on the script so. I actually really did say like I. Think would be fine. If went to a racetrack in. Here's what I'm thinking happens to the racetrack, and that I have to write it down to communicate it, and then we have to have to hire the right. People have to choreograph than we have to shoot it correctly in the NAFTA edited and put it in. In a movie like I actually did have to do all of that, but it was. It was interesting there were people were like yeah, but I mean the second unit and you had there was someone else seven, so the stunt coordinator. He did a lot. You're like what I do know. The casting was not your choice because I was told I was. Totally. Wanted to if. A if it were up to me of course up to me, listen Elizabeth, I can be a bad ass. I'm one hundred percent. Clear on how bad! Feeling the time I was offended. was someone came in and said you do so much. Don't ever just WANNA. Take a bath and night bus. No I don't I mean I take showers anyway, not really a bat person, but that's such a weird question to ask in a professional setting of a professional person. Don't you think that is one step deeper like the first step is like? Oh, I've met with Elizabeth Banks we met at this West Hollywood hotspot. She ordered a salad with Sunday may only Elizabeth is slowly picking it herself. It's like okay, and then we don't want to just take a bath. Dallas and bad, but I will also say that I am grateful that I interviewed about anything at all. I'm grateful to make things and that I get to tell people about it, and at the end of the day I know in wonder, too, though if we are are we supposed to be feeling more grateful? But because people like you people get opportunities and thank you so much for being a trailblazer. Oh my goodness! Things for me that came out of me to a little bit was I did feel a real sense of camaraderie with the women in my industry, that not really felt before there was always sort of unspoken anecdotes, and you know the idea like you go to a set, and you're the only woman I rarely made movies where I'm an actor have now as producer and a director been able to make movies. Movies with lots of women, but prior to that prior to meet doing it. The amount of time I went to set up a bunch of girls that never happened never end. If there is another girl were pitted against each other, characterize usually coup lately. Yeah, I just find that that the entire system is being is being shaken, or it's not you get these really great moments where we shake things up. Up whether it's like when we got the right to vote like a hundred years ago, we shook up. You know, and then it's like, but then we didn't get the IRA, and we then we got Roe v Wade, but like now maybe less than one generation later we might not get it anymore I. Just it's like to me. I feel like women are constantly reminded whether it's an as we were talking. Talking about the beginning of this conversation, going to set and being like the only girl or going to set the crew, is you know whatever seventy percent men usually standing around? You just realize that we live in a world that's built for guys and so I. Don't think guys even understand and I. Know my on husband very sweetly like we've had conversations where he's like Babe I am never gonNA. Feel it. Deep level in the way that you are GonNa feel it because he's like. I can do what I want with my body I have body a autonomy. It's never going to be an issue for me. Right like I can be a landowner like they're never gonNA. Take that away from me and. He think like yeah, that's that's what he's been taught. I have not spoken much at all about the me too movement, and I feel really guilty about that because I have a lot of thoughts, but I feel guilty because it. It felt to me like. What do I contribute? I think you can absolve yourself of that I. Really Do I. think that it's No one's job to be a spokesperson for anything other than our own experience and an even that like you don't owe that to anybody. You don't owe it to your listeners to me. I don't think you owe that to anyone that you don't want to tell those stories. To say absolve yourself of that. I don't think it's necessary that every single woman talk about it I by the way I think it's obvious Hashtag. The single one of us has seen too many dicks that we didn't want to say. That we've all. They were all gorgeous in my experience. I had so many like memory jobs during the initial days of me, too. I remembered that thing that happened. Yeah, yeah, did. Yeah if a little funky at the time out it was yeah, turns out. Everybody was experiencing that to cat. Go Go! Yeah, I think that's the other thing that for me. At least again is like that sense of Camaraderie, and all these sort of anecdotes what I love about the moment into. There's very few things that I about social media and the data aggregate of the world, but one of the things I love is because of big data. Everyone all of these things that were like. Maybe this is happening, you know maybe women are being a Harasser, and then it's like no, no, he. He, take a quick poll. Hashtag me to look up. We've all been harassed at work. Right and so there's no way anymore for those in power to ignore the aggregate of big data level, right? It's like you can't just dismiss it as sort of like well. That's one girl. That's something that happened officer. That was one guy who got accused. It's like guys. This is a systemic problem that is deep end rooted in the way that we set up our world and. When we to sort of acknowledge it and try and get through it and passed it. I think that's the one thing that I like about big data. That's an amazing way to put it and I think you're completely right. What's been tricky for me? I think like you I I'm not easily offended so I. don't want to be treated with any degree of preciousness. Yeah, in than during his dont. I mean. I'll be honest I haven't really found that meeting I i. have not been treated with a lot of preciousness I mean I think I i. Put people at ease pretty quickly. Anyway very much like you know the cor corporate structure to for me if people need to feel uncomfortable while we work through this, I'm totally fine with that. Yeah! So, you've been married for eleven years, is that? Two thousand three. So how many is that? Seventeen years in July, I met him though we've been together since nineteen. Ninety two and you guys met in college. I Save College I met a my first day of college. Yep, he's a year older than me. He was a was a freshman. I met him in front of a Frat house when you first met your husband. Did you think oh like Frat dish or anything? I? Don't even know if like my mom hates it when I say Douche, I don't even love that word that much, not because it offends me, but it just feels not very creative But did you think like were you? Was that turn like? How did the court go? Yeah I think the word that I liked from that time period was tool. Yeah, yeah! So I would say, he was definitely, he seemed a little bit like a tool me. That being said I was attracted to him pretty quickly. I think he was at the time when I met you US nineteen when I met him and I think all nineteen year old guys that are in frats tools like there's no getting around it. He was he was a sophomore. All the freshmen is were like beneath him when he was a freshman, I think. Think. He knew it was kind of a bummer to be a freshman dude. Now now that he was a sophomore, he was excited, so he definitely had an attitude. Like I know what's up and I'll I'll show you the ropes and I'll take you around, and I'll teach you stuff and you know I. Remember thinking like Okay I know I love your smile right now because it's so seems like you had this all. Knock down and you're like. You will. You're not wrong. He was actually we joke because he was really interested in this other girl Kate. She was a twin. I think she was in the nursing school. She was the nicest girl had amazing voice like a deep cool voice. It was a great girl I. Don't think it was ever actually interested in my now husband, but he was definitely interested in her, and I knew that and I count like article whatever you don't think. He was just saying that now like I would like. I liked like everyone likes. Yes, but don't you think? That, like guys are taught like if when you really like a girl, you start talking about like another girl like Nag, yeah, the May have been a game movement little gamy. Maybe I like that idea regardless I think like within ten days. We were on our first date we. I ran into a bunch of times after that first meeting. And you know it's not like I. Didn't go. Go to a small into a really big school, so the fact that I kept running into him felt very faded got to. Did you find out later that he was very kind of knew none of it was just truly like he started rushing a guy that lived on my floor, and we both were doing communications causes in the same building. We would like cross each other and. It's crazy. I went to a really big school as well. You went to University of Pennsylvania's right. Yeah I went to University of Washington and I kept running into my ex-boyfriend all the time as well, but that was because I was stocking. Like. Head quickly memorized class schedule and be like Oh hey. So that's crazy. So how are things like I actually? I have a boyfriend at the time. When I went well, I had a high school boyfriend. His name is Brian. He was the best. He taught me so much about love, and you know I lost my virginity to him, and he was a sweetheart great family. Nobody has the story I now. I now I had like the best, high school boyfriend. Would happens then and so we drifting I. Think neither one of us were like interested in doing long distance particularly me. I can admit I was less interested in that probably was. He went away to school in the summer before I did like a month before I did and so time I got to school I was already like all right I wanna be a little bit of a player. I've done my. My High School Way Friend I'm ready to rock and roll I met my husband day one, and then I would still getting calls from my ex right, who was at a different school and we kind of broke up. It sucked I actually went and visited him on this one weekend I took a bus ride out there to see him like a greyhound bus rows like all right. This is the weekend. You're going to tell him like we're doing it. It was clear we both knew it. I went I met some of his friends. It was great. We did break up in everything that that entails happened. And then he started dating another girl who dated for a long time like we were just we were right for each other, and he has a lovely life now and still has a great family, and all those things, so it was, it was great I. Love It that you took a greyhound to break up. I called my first husband over the phone that's. The kind of ex. I am. Now I took the Greyhound I went on I. Knew were breaking up. I knew I was already falling for my now. Husband I was so hung over on the bus ride. My husband had gotten meat, so wasted the night before he also given me a hickey. Hit marked his territory side took a Hickey to see my high school friend. He's going to hear this and I. I hope he does because I truly I adore him his name again Ryan. AMAS Brian. Hi Bra I. Hope You this. I think you will I like how healthy is at an annoyingly healthy Elizabeth? I mean not runner for tell you I had a great. Really great has different. Yeah, well rays. Have you been heartbroken before? Will he broke up with me? We've been dating I. Think Actually Remember. We've been dated for twenty two months. Because his high school number was twenty two and I made him like Ajello cake in twenty, two and I brought it over and his parents I think freaked out that we've been dating for twenty two months is a long time two years in high school, and then the next thing I knew he, he had broken up with me and I I've never cried harder in my life. Actually the not and then we got back together. Of course. I gotTA do. Don't you think there's that slow time line of like especially when you're dating somebody at that age, there's like the break-up and then getting back together like a couple of months, and then another break up, and then getting back together for an even shorter period of time, and then another break, and it's all dramatic, and your friends have to listen to it, and it's like this slow weaning of your I like that dizziness of. You know narcissistic young love guess. Totally and also that it's the most important thing in the world to you that time. There's nothing else you know. You can't see the future. You can't see past like two days. I feel like when you're that age. I went to college for my boyfriend at that time, and then he broke up with me two weeks after he joined a fraternity, and so then the stocking commits. But the thing is is that I knew I didn't like a lot of things about him. You know there were so many things that I didn't I just didn't like I didn't like his sense of humor. I didn't like his laugh. Ooh, those are big one. He was mean what what what what do you think made? You WanNA stock him. He was the first guy that likes me. I was very much a late bloomer I didn't kiss anybody till I was sixteen, and that was a weird like slugging my mouth moment, so I didn't have a boyfriend, I was in his senior, and he was really good. Looking I couldn't believe somebody that could looking like me. I mean I. Just cut my braces off. I was ready for Q.. Had like me. Yeah, so it was all it was all about me. You know it wasn't about it was about my identity with with that relationship as opposed to who he actually was young blades. Steven Seagal. Worshiped like ponytail. Yeah had all the movies could do? You know. Wow, maybe he's listening to. Go boyfriends are listening. Okay, so dating dealbreakers. If you were single. He brings his own hot sauce to restaurants. I mean here's what I think on the first second third or fourth date. That's a dealbreaker. That's crazy behavior once I think you'd know him. And you realize he loves spicy food. It can be something kind of cute, and then even I would say further into relationship you can start bringing a little bit with you. I do have girlfriends that have it like on a keychain which I think is kind of I. Bring Salt Sometimes. Yeah I think it's weird to lead with that. Yes, I wouldn't start with their I, do it. I mean that's a tricky one because it all depends on how charming that person is. What if he like made his own hot sauce anybody with? It I. Don't know well. That's yeah, okay. His best friend is an eighteen year old. How is he? Let's say he's thirty six now. That's an absolute Dearborn dealbreaker. What does this? Kato, Kaylin living in the bag now. This is not allowed. That's not allowed you cannot your best friend cannot be that much. I still don't understand what that relationship looks like like, are they? Doing things for you than they're like your assistant, if there do not I, mean like know people that are like friends with their trainer and I'm like what you're paying that person. That's not that you can be friends with people that you pay money to one hundred percent, but I don't think you can say like that's my best friend. Backfield's. That's a weird line. Yeah, yeah, it's I think so. What about if he was a priest in his early twenties, way a priest. You can't date priests that's like the entire storyline. On the last season of fleabag retired though retired oh well then, so no longer, a priest so realized he wants to get laid, and how young with women yeah or whatever then fine, yes, sure retired priests great, I actually think they probably have a lot of wisdom. Today's episode of unqualified is brought to you in part by CBD MD to say that the past month has been stressful. 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H., e., e., d. i. t., thank you, dear listeners by supporting our sponsors. You support this podcast. I think we've loosely sort of framed. This is how would you proceeds in terms of directing? Okay! What that means I'm so curious. Well, let's say. So you have spent four hours setting up for a big action sequence and ripe before you guys are about to roll sons down whatever? Your lead actor comes up and says I don't know why my character would say this. So I've been on that, I've been in those moments, and here's the thing that is work that athletes should. It needs to be done by you. That is literally your fucking job as an actor is to figure out why you do things and that work needs to be done long before you show up to the set. I love that you're looking at me Dirk. Hardcore because you probably know, I've done that ship before. Without meaning to, but it makes me fucking crazy when actors do that, it makes me insane I've been on I won't name names, but I've been on sets. Were that exact surly four hours set up two hundred background extras or standing around? It's you know it's freezing out. They call everybody to set, and then suddenly the lead actor and the director to go to the trailer conversation about why he's doing something and the answer literally is like 'cause we already shot see. We already shot a and this is. Is Literally just be and we just need to connect a NC. It's infuriating like people have families. Go home to like. Get Your Shit together. Do your work before he shop to set. Okay, let's say you're financier is dating this gal named Bernie and you are kind enough to give her a line on the day of her seen wardrobe comes up to you and says the very neagh does not want to wear the red dress that she'd already been fitted in tailored in, and it's not her thing. I love how how big your. Recent discussing so far has been scenario in my life. Actually when I think I would do in that situation is first of all I want everyone to come to set feeling, great and confident, so with wardrobe, hair and makeup. That's usually a conversation. I have. How do they feel on it now? I can't have somebody come to set in a blue dress. Win The whole backgrounds, blue or like the readdress is a story point like she's gotTa wear the Red Dress. That's a different scenario. This amaze just like I feel bad in this, and I don't feel confident. I don't know how I can do it. People are very insecure especially. Especially young or inexperienced people in every industry by the way I'm not even just saying that of actors right like you have to get up and give a presentation tomorrow. It's your first time in front of the boss in Blah Blah Blah and you're like sweating through your blazer, and you feel like you tried on seventeen outfits. Right? That's that's the same scenario that this is that this is I would just want that person to feel confident coming to set, and then at the end of the day I would know because it's the It's like the finances. Golfer than I'm probably editing that line out of the film, Anyway so. So. It's not a big deal. It's an N., B.. C. D. her line is I. Really think we gotta get Outta here now. Oh, well, that sounds like I might need it, but. Can. Later. Okay. Would you feel like doing some line reads? ooh, cliche movie quotes. Let's bring you back to the days of auditioning Oh, God, okay, I'll be a cast injector just going to simply read you a series of lines. Okay, all right. We use late for US shirt. Hi, I'm Elizabeth Banks I'm five five a side after and yes I will cut my hair. Thank you so much, Elizabeth, your first line is what are you doing here? What are you doing here? I'd like to take back. What are you doing here? That's good I would imagine. This is also somebody that you're overjoyed to see. Sorry I. It's okay, it is a horror movie. It's fine okay. What are you doing here? Okay, the next one is you've got to be kidding. You've gotta be kidding. I know you wanted the German accent I love the German accent, but I also wanted to be truly like this person has just come up with. Like solving something in cry, you know like Ernest, Okay Okay Germany Ernest. I'm going to. Are you doing here. What are you doing here for three, Dunia think that was very sexy. Do want you to do. You've got to be kidding. That's right. Sorry I was on the wrong. That's okay, no I'm glad you have the first line down. You've got to kidding me. You've got to be kidding me. Okay? No me because it's not about you. Can. P. I can see that you and I are laughing and. No one else is gonNA, realize. And, they're just going to be like wise. This makes a weird accent on this my guess. What is happening? What about why am I not surprised question mark. Why am I, not surprised. Why am I not surprise? That's good I know you do a lot of. Animation right yeah voices I love doing it I. Do too, but don't you find it? It's hard. It's such an amazing job for many reasons if you work for four hours. But I'm beat after it are. Do you find yourself total like? Creating, a character kind by yourself trying to round out the vocals. It's an intensive process. Yes, it's exceedingly intensive. You have to bring so much to it because you're not. You can't rely on anything else right so there's no one to bounce off of their zone with you. It's why so what I was going to say. Is I love I? Do a three in a row every single time. Some always like you've gotta be kidding. You've gotta be kidding. You've got to be kidding. You're like. Oh my God. Did we get it, please? Generous. Promoting my first animated movie and I said basically something similar to that like. She was like how was it i? Was You know I? Know everyone talks about what an amazing job it isn't it is, but it was also more difficult than I thought and she said well. It's not like you're digging ditches. And I. You know my memory. The audience stood up and clapped. Data what happened to my memory in that moment like? WACO! Of course, it's like an amazing job and I'm not in it. Yeah, but that implies so that we can never talk about what we do and I think that's a bummer I know you're right. You're right. That's an interesting way to put it because there is that feeling of especially during this time to. There's this feeling of like. We're so fortunate to have a bunch of you. Know can chilly and Pasta, and our pantry and toilet paper, although Brennan Pretty Low on the paper towels. We just ordered bamboo. Toilet paper, because only thing we could or I don't know I. Haven't touched it I. Everything that comes to the House I pretend like radioactive has to stay in the garage for like a week. Yeah, 'cause that's were. That's how wide I'm crazy. Today I know I know Okay. Wait so that I wanted to ask you to the Oh if there was like a young age eighteen year old. Sensitive, Ingenue who has been late. Every day for the first week of Shooting League. How do you deal with that as a leader because when I did House bunny I mean I wasn't directing it or anything, but I did have a pretty sweet trailer, Elizabeth. Get that trailer again I have no doubt you're number one on the call and number one on the call. She is a really important raw on a set. It's like it's it sets the tone for the entire film set. How would you deal with that kind of scenario? I'm sure you've had to deal with the managing of sensitive personalities like all across the board. I think communication is what you try to do. Would you pull that person aside like how how private of course I mean I, usually try and bring a producer someone else in to the conversation, so it doesn't feel unless that would feel like it's gang up because I think that's never good either, but I think being able to try and meet that person where they are. It's almost always insecurity. It's almost always something's going on so right. That is not about the movie. It some personal insecurities going on or like you know I've not been in a situation where someone's being harassed or like they don't WanNa come to set for their safety or anything like. Like that it's almost always some something in their heart or their brain, and they just can't get past it and I'm not a therapist. It's really hard to get them past things like that, right? It's like you're just trying to coax them to get the job done that day and and hope that you're helping them a little. You know that you're bucking them up. At the same time. There was an actress that was consistently late and I lost it I give a couple of gentle nudges like. What can we do to make sure you know like you need to make sure that this is part of what we do is as we enter adulthood. I. Professional job you're getting paid for cashing a check cashing the check, you should probably come. Then, it was like seven in the morning. I've been there since like five thirty, getting like sewn into my costume, or whatever and this person was late again and I just I became an animal, and then her parents came to work. Like it was like Shit I did not handle that well, but I was so mad and and it was later in the shoot, too. So I was particularly hungry. Like Oh my God. You're starving all the time. When you felt you felt disrespected. Here's what I find too I. Find that people who had real jobs that are not acting jobs have a better understanding. Right up like the responsibility that we all have in like it's not year show even if it is your show like I, you know even if you are number one of the call sheets, there's an entire group of people around you waiting on you that WanNa go home to their wife and kids or husband and kids or their dog, or whatever everybody should be in the service industry taught during a period of time in their life like it's. Good it's just good growths. Good emp US I totally agree I totally agree, and also you know you and you it teaches you so many things it teaches you. Apathy in teaches you service of course, but it also teaches you how to stand up for yourself in the right way versus the way to get you fired. Rate Way. Because the other thing that happens here is I think people feel like well. They shot me so they can't fire me. And then they act like a total asshole. That's drives me completely insane. That sounds good. Well, you know there's just a sense of that sort of entitlement like while it's my name above the you know whatever and I I just find. I've had amazing working experiences with big big lovely actress, who are not treat the cast and crew. Everyone's time respectfully. In of course, those are the much better experiences. You must be just such a dream to work with I have no idea. I'll let other speak to that, but I am very professional I'll put it that way like I went to drama. School I I had a lot of jobs before sir. Do this and I. Treat it. Not Way like respectively like I'm there I want that from everyone else so I'm very golden rule. You know about the whole thing. Okay now here are some life questions you can answer them rapidly or not okay. What is your greatest fear? Oh, I won't even say it out loud. That's how great my fear. It's Gotcha, but involves it. Yes, I won't say a lot. Gotcha probably involves death. That's me. I'll give you yep. Okay, what is your? You had when you're younger. The know longer have I used to. Actually as I was afraid of being embarrassed, and now I'm like who the fuck cares. It's very hard to be embarrassed at this point in time I made sure like. Oh, well, you know you're gonNA. Fuck up! You'RE GONNA? Do something stupid. You're GonNa Look Stupid Act Stupid. Stupid and people might call you out and like that's on them. They're being mean to the Yeah I. Think with scary movie. I got sprayed to the ceiling. This sperm I talk about this a lot, but it is sort of like the liberation of embracing like I'm to do stupid shit, and they are also get paid for doing really embarrassing stuff sometimes. I just find like even if I shit myself in public at this point in time I'd be like I mean that's crazy. Right, guys. Happens can happen to anybody. Like, you get a little hung over and a couple of days like yeah, the. Cab whilst moving. What are you supposed to do? Okay! What is your favorite sick rainy day movie? ooh, I am I have a lot. I recently watched runaway bride. I don't know laughing. It's like the least good Julia Roberts Richard Gabby movie. It's based completely misogynistic. Do Hen yet I was like these mother? fuckers are so charming together. My God, it's fun to watch chemistry on screen in like I got a little titter, so maybe that one if I'm alone in a room. Hey, I can't get my husband her kids to watch that with Mehta. To whom would you most like to apologize and why? That's a really good question I. actually sort of went through this for myself in sort of working on myself a few years ago and so I feel like I got some of the slick sort of dealt with with the way I recommend to everybody like if you have the nagging thing like definitely, do it I this moment in time, no one is coming to me. I know I was thinking how I would answer that I feel like there's so many, but they're also aren't like it's right. Yeah, I don't know how I would. The heard sends out yet. Yet Yeah I've definitely hurt. People have disrespected people in the past, and I really try now to like never leave that. Do you know what I mean like? Yeah, the minute it should or can be acknowledged I. Really try to just acknowledge it so that I don't have the like sleepless nights going like Oh. My God this person I have to call them or I have to deal with something and so yeah I don't know that makes sense because like apologizing immediately or like you know things worked out is such a position of strength. Okay, what is the trait? You most dislike in yourself? I I'm impatient with. My with everything. I have to practice patients for sure I also especially in this moment in time. Feel like I I give up to do something, and then it's SORTA. I get really excited about something, and then my follow through is like. Way over here. Though is a shiny object. Totally, it's like yeah. Those great ideas, somebody, go do something with it. Is, somebody's got to do something with my great idea. I'm someone who is known for being very decisive on so many levels, and honestly I often want someone else to make the decision for me like the green light on something I'm like or getting a start date on something that actually becomes the thing that I could okay pivot now all my attention can go towards US completely and I'm not great at like pretending to be super passionate about something. If I know, it's not actually gonNA. Maybe like I like things that are actually going to happen. Do you know have a hard time it's. I need to learn that skill. Because I'm like a cheerleader with like Wolf, sure that's. Pretty darn good idea. And then a few hours later I don't know a terrible idea. What's the trait? You most dislike others? I absolutely cannot stand him when people don't take responsibility for something that's gone wrong, but is their fault. I love the say that. I think it's just like somebody comes to me with an excuse about something. It's like now like grow up. Grow the up like just say you did it at teaching. My kids is too right. It's like it's not about the thing that went wrong. It's how you deal with it afterwards so right like I'm not going to be mad if you didn't turn your homework in, but if you lied to me and say you turned it in like I'm GonNa find out. Out Why is way worse or the excuses? Yes, so the excuses whatever it's like on, you have to take responsibility that drives me in fucking say I love I was having trouble with our stunt coordinator. Scary movie, too, and I was I'm like twenty three and a newly arrogant had that flush like arrogance of scary movie one doing well, which was my first? Movie Essentially Yeah and his stunt coordinator was hard on us and and I went up to Keenan and I said you know. Would we do you know? He's like a juror or whatever and keenum's like. He just grinned. All right well, you need to talk to him. Yourself and I was terrified. Okay all right all right I got to step up to the plate now and like talk to him in how am I gonNa do, and he must have known that I was coming Keenan must've told him because he just had this big grin when I finally got the courage to say hey, can we go for a walk? so I feel like you're? US like really glad you told me right, but but I'm so glad that he didn't fight a battle for me, yeah! You WanNa be a big girl. Then you handle yourself. Yeah, that's exactly right. You just reminded me of the personnel apologize to I, was in a musical in college and the guy who's the lead opposite me was very lovely, and very talented and I had an understudy who was way better singer than me and I was very insecure. Singing the songs and I treated him badly because I was insecure and kind of a jerk about it, so that's why would apologize to. That's amazing. Now. There's like I think it's really important to reflect on those experiences a bit as you know. I like to think of myself. That I was always kind, but I wasn't. Yeah. That's right, and I think also for me getting older. The best part about it is like I'm not in constant power struggles because that's usually what that's about to write like I'm not that insecure. You need to have more power than me. In this moment you take it away. With. Who I am now so that to me is one of the best things about getting older usually, unlike writing so much that behind because that is really I find where so much unkindness from me came from. It was me feeling like I. Either didn't have power I wasn't secure. I felt like a fake. Like you know all of those things that we all feel, and now it's like okay. I feel way more settled and secure I. Love that well all right so. So. Who would you invite to your dream? Dinner? Party I feel like it changes all the time I'm constantly like interested in people at certain moments you know, yeah, I'm for like features and people who are like solving things that I want to know I would wanNA collect like really great minds. It's like at this point in time I wanna put together with like activists, and then I want to put them together with money. People and I wanna like make things better. I mean I really think. Will I don't know what moment we're in now? That Corona viruses appendix all over the world, and we're all staying home. A No one's at work and I have no idea what comes after this I think we're going to have to really figure out like. Do we want what we had before? When this is over? Because the curtain has been sort of pulled back, yes, now and we're looking at things and we're looking at people who don't have health care where the gay people have basics to take care of themselves. You know all of those people that talked about in the primaries to like a four hundred dollar. Bill could like put them into bankruptcy. The thing that matters to me most I think right now. is going to be like. Crave fucking serious dinner party I think. It would be but I'd sprinkle in some comedians at the same time I. Have you know some Jeff Garland similarity, Davis or something? In one word. How would you like to be remembered? Mom Oh. That was oddly immediate and wonderful and beautiful. I don't think there'll be anything more important I. don't know. I mean it'd be really thought about it. I mean maybe grandma. I hope I get to be a grandma I. Hope I'm around. I hope the Earth's around. Who the hell knows, what's happening? 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His mom with. but pretty much. I stayed there every day since I've got a really great relationship with his family, going really well, and so my birthday is in a few weeks, and we have been planning a trip to Disneyworld. Because his sister was doing college program and then obviously everything started happening with the coronavirus lockdown. So our trip was cancelled and she sent home so now that she's living with us again. Everything seems fine. Greg Relationship Occurs Well on and then on Monday. I talked to his mom about like we actually went on like a state. Wide Lockdown could stay there. And she said yes, and I was totally fine, so that was the plan, and so we actually went on the lockdown. His sister's Scott love issues. And things like that. And she had panic attack about not wanting anyone in the house, and I WANNA get into the weeds on. We couldn't come down until I agreed to go home and through everything off, and so now I'm living at home and not able to see him so just trying to figure out like how to keep our relationship strong, and how they're like I'm not mad at her. Of course I understand your feelings and everything, but just sort of navigating the situation. First of all Brian sounds like you're being really generous just in in general, but yeah and respectful yeah. Old Is is the sister are? She is twenty five. Does she have a boyfriend? Wonder if this came out of like relationship, envy, part of me, things a little bit of it was like jealousy because she does, but she wasn't able to see him because she won't because she. She's already like Corentin, so I think me getting to see him every day than her. Not Be able to do that with a little bit of well. So you were quarantined with his family together, you guys were hanging out to sister was there? She had a panic. Where are you guys leaving the house? Look? What was her panic attack? Actually about that? You guys were bringing Kovic nineteen into the house, or what, so he is currently paying off from work and working from home now, but that was the last day I had to go into the office and come back. I was gone happened, and then they don't spend so if you guys now that you're on your lockdown, if you guys do like a nice fourteen day apart, and you guys all promise like not go to work and not see other people. Can't you just go back over there? In a couple of weeks and be like? Hey, I haven't seen anybody I've spent my time at home and now I'm here with you. It really just depends on like how she reacts to it. Because she I mean like he wanted to go to the store and she's like. Here's what I think. I mean you know. She worked at Disneyland like they shut down. Disneyland for the first time like this is stressful for so many people on so many levels, and I know you're at the beginning of a relationship, so it's tough because you guys want to hang out and I bet you want to do even more than hanging out 'cause I've been in the beginning of relationships I know how they go. And I think you're gusts got to be really generous and respectful with her right now I sounds to me like she's having massive signing which I know so many people are because people are really freaked out by the virus. You know what's going on. and. We feel like misinformed and we don't know what the hell's happening and I I get that. I don't know. I think you've gotta like zoom with the boyfriend Can he come live with you and your aunt? So we had talked about that, too. That was part of our whole things like I. don't want anyone to leave the house. I don't want anyone so in order to get it up. To doing it this way and I know he's pretty upset with her. They really close outside abyss and I'm trying to dislike. Not Make this be a problem wants them onto over. The relationship he I think that's smart. For the long term I get what you're saying. You WanNa make sure that you don't become a wedge between the two of them because that could maybe not go your way in the future. Correctly and Ryan I have to hand it to you I think the way that you are of describing her like it's really mature of you that you that you phrase of this like you know. She's prone to anxiety and her life was like you know been up ended, and that's really remarkable that you phrased everything in your email email with a lot of generosity I. don't know if I would have done the same thing been like. But good for you can ask one like kind of controversial question Is there any way that the sister through this fit at the behest of her brother? Because he actually thought maybe it was moving too fast and he didn't WanNa live with you or during the quarantine. I really don't think so. I think he's been a lot more about this than I even happen. Soon good tile Gotcha 'cause you know how in relationships like when one person is really upset. The other person tends to counterbalance to if he's really upset. Maybe it can make you a little bit of like a stable anchor. Yeah, sounds like is what's happening, yeah? Right, I'm sorry, but I'd love that you're in love. I know that's amazing, so I'm happy that you found somebody and yes I know it's hard. It's hard to be a human being right in general, but I will say I think if you guys make it through this, it's going to mean a lot in the future going forward and by this will be the beginning member when we had to be all quarantined. Let's telling that story thirty years from now at your like anniversary party. I will say though the last thing that happened tonight before I had to move out I realized he had never seen how study so the last. Question that. Really the thank you Ryan. Tame You handled this very very maturely. A really do I think a lot of other people would have just matched her anxiety level. Thank you guys so much. Ryan big you by Ryan. Thank you. Hi, Melissa on a Farris Hi. Hi. I'm here with Elizabeth thanks. Hi Melissa Hi Elizabeth. How are you doing, are you? You guys on lockdown well I? have been be into central for whatever reason. So I'm still going to work, but my children are home right now until April. Twenty Fourth of the new date on my goodness. How old are your kids? I have an eleven year old and a nine year old. ooh, there are kind of going crazy right now and driving me insane, but that's okay. It's part of the deal you know yeah I. Know It's kind of where we are all at well I hope you're seeing safe and healthy. Melissa I am trying. Thank you for working. Time that must be really difficult to be juggling all these things. Oh my Gosh! This is such a nice wonderful little. You know amidst everything going on. This is so wonderful. Thank you guys so much for having me tell my little story. Let's hear it. Can we hear it well long? Story Short I've been with this guy for seven years and they're still no ring. They're still know anything. And you know it is definitely something that I expressed that I wanted earlier on I am divorced I got divorced when I was twenty nine and we started dating. Oh, like a year and a half later at first it was very. Very casual I wasn't planning on turning into anything, and then it did, and then you know. After some time passed. He met my kids. which was you know that is very hard to do? And of course my kids love him, and he's so amazing to my children and to me to be fair. You know he's a great guy. Do you guys live together? Yes, and that's kind of. Kind of on the flip side of things as we're arguing the house right now. Okay well won't let me just say that. It is my house I after my divorce. I really never thought I would be able to buy my own home again, but I made it happen, and it's just mine. That was Kinda thing. You know he's like. Oh, I loved. So you know get married one day. We can do it one day you know, but we should buy a house and do this or that. And I said No. That doesn't really sound like the way it's supposed to happen. You know so many things go wrong and I didn't feel that that would have been right, so I did buy my house by myself right and I don't really like talking to my girlfriend's about it 'cause. They're your girlfriends or like? Whatever girl just dump. It asked like you know you'll be fine. Does he have a job he does. That's actually that's how we met. We do work. We don't really work together. We work in the same kind of office park, so he does have a job. Does he like it I think he likes his job because you know, he likes to live in his comfort zone. I'm not really like that. I'm so Melissa though now on a different thing you wrote in your emails. Something really interesting. You said you guys were at a wedding, and you asked him about marriage and his reply was. Do you know what my friends would say? That broke my heart and I don't know what it means because you know. We were at a wedding. Of course. This wedding I love when weddings after parties, because it's like why we've already had way too much to drink. So we just we had way too much to drink and of course. On something you know about marriage, because how would woody like eleven th wedding that we've been to as just boyfriend girlfriend couplets humiliating, and that is exactly what he said when I asked him what that meant. He kept saying I. Don't know I didn't mean it and well. This has happened so many times with like different answers like sometimes it'll be oh well you know I, think we should buy a house. I I bought a house. Yeah, Oh, well. It's just a piece of paper No it's not. It's always an excuse. Yeah, yeah, but he says well it'll. It'll happen and I'm just like dude. You're just wasting my time. I feel like. A question Do you respect him? I do I really do I. Mean I think obviously. I have a bit of resentment could say right now, but I do respect him especially because of what you know, I have to be fair. He's taken on, you know. I mean I have two kids. He really has taken that role as you know being a part of their life very seriously. Seriously Yeah I do respect him I. Really do I ask because there might just be something going on with him. When it comes to the idea of marriage that maybe just need a little like tender, loving respect and I don't know what it is. He obviously doesn't know what it is. He's having a hard time communicating at you. Obviously I don't know I. Mean Look for me. If you're in it, you want it. It's not a piece of paper like it's your safety your healthcare. It's your taxes like it means a lot to be married. I'm a proponent of marriage I think it's a good thing for everybody involved when it's right in, and you're in it together as it's a real partnership, I find it interesting that you say like it's your house. It's my house and he's like living there and so I don't know I just think there's there's a little power imbalance is what I'm sensing right now. A little bit yeah. And I think that that, too. Is something I need to work on? Because that's just my I guess you could say my baggage from coming out of a divorce. Where in my marriage I didn't have any idea. What type of situation we were in financially didn't have control over really anything, and so I feel like a lot of the things that I've been able to give back to myself after my divorce, it means so much to me because I had to work so much harder for it and. And I don't really see him working hard for anything you know. He always said why I. Really think that we should buy a home I but he didn't do anything to make a house by happen right Oh. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it was an idea that he had, but like most of his ideas. They never end up happening right? Does he pay you? Rent God is kind of where the other half of the marriage thing comes like he's like I WANNA pay house. House I WANNA do this. I WanNa do that and in my mind, because I'm very unhappy right now at my job and I. Kinda WanNa find another job knowing that I'll have to start lower on the totem pole. Yeah, it'd be nice. Who if we were in this marriage and like okay, go ahead. You can quit your job for less. You know we'll make it work this. And that for me I'm like well. You're just my boyfriend. I mean you could walk out at any minute, yeah! Yeah I also wonder you get external pressure to get married from your family owned, and actually his family is kind of more on and that side of things where my family is very relaxed, they kinda fully support whatever it is that I want to do or don't want to do. And we've been to a plenty of weddings for his side of the family and every single time we go up to the bride, and give her a hug and congratulate her on A. When are you guys getting? Getting married right, meanwhile, see just married. This guy that's he's only been dating for like a year and a half. Yeah, I mean it sounds like a partnership is really what you're looking for right so he's not quote. Paying rent is not helping with the mortgage, even though he lives there. Okay, so I pay the mortgage, but he basically pays everything else like on the inside of the. You know the whole. The whole Internet cable the electricity. He buys all the groceries. He definitely pulls his weight. Weight, so that's good. That's great. That's a partnership I. Guess I'm digging a little bit trying to understand what it is about getting married that you need that. You're not getting in the current setup. 'cause he's fathering your kids. He's paying some bells. He's going to work. He is supportive of you. In in these ways, it's like what are you not getting besides the the sort of piece of paper in the wedding from him that you would want right and I think you know because this is. is a kind of goes back to. That's sort of how he responds to it except where he just gets completely I don't WanNa. Say hostile, not like violent, but he gets really angry anytime brought up and I will tell you it's maybe only been brought up about three times, and our entire relationship of almost seven years and I think for me like he's asking why I'm asking the. Why not? Yeah is it me that you don't WanNA marry I? Mean what I think. We have a lot. Lot of pressure to get married. You know it's like checking off the list. It's like our parents. Ask you know what I mean. It's just out there. It's shoulder out there, so that's one thing so just you know just understand that we all go through it with varying degrees, but the other thing about his friends does he have close Guy Friends or No, and so why is he worried about what his friends would say? ANA, we would have to have a whole separate other segment ever. Able to lane. That's situation because long story short. He these people that he used to be friends with or whatever they know, my ex husband. When we started dating. I don't know if he didn't WANNA. Tell them, or I don't know right, but no I mean I couldn't have I literally couldn't have a better ex husband i. mean that's Great. That's unusual. Amazing relationship, and he totally appreciates the dynamic between our kids, and you know my boyfriend and I don't understand why. He just stopped talking to his friends, but he did, and so when he said. Do you know what my friends were saying? I didn't say it, but I was thinking what friends? I? Mean this is a conversation. We've had many times. Why don't you call anybody and you know wearing out or go watch a game somewhere? I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, it sounds like you know how like asking big important questions is all about timing, and oftentimes we always do it at the worst time because. Like you know feeling highly emotional, but yeah drunk at the wedding. Yeah, yeah, but but. The last time to I would like brought it up while we were watching the real housewives of new. Jersey reunion and I'm like. Oh, great proposed poster twelve times. You know obviously with everyone. Sort of being unlocked allows craziness and I know that you are still working, but I think that like the timing is crazy right now so to just put additional leg stress onto. Treading lightly minute, but I think in a couple of weeks where it's like you know I wanted to talk to you about this and I love you. It's important to me to know where we're going. It's important to me to know where I'm going in my life and I. Think Melissa. You need to be able to answer when he says to you I give you everything already. What's the difference? Just a piece of paper I think you. You really need to have your answer. Your honest true answer ready to go. It's not about money, and it's not like you want the security of your future. You want him to be a real father to your kids. You want a real family with him. You WanNa make a family together like you want the security of him in your life. You want a partnership I. Think you just got to be really clear that it's not like I? Have a white dress like you know it's societal pressure or Keep asking or even like this ceremony I wouldn't bring it. Onto something ought to be like. Why is this man supposed to be wed to you forever and ever right if you can't answer that question for yourself. Why should he answer it right to him Elizabeth Yeah? Sorry I totally appreciate that I. Mean 'cause there. You are absolutely right, I? Wish you love and luck or eleven months? Thank you so much Melissa I love you guys so much I love you. Thank you guys so much. Stay safe out there. And help in their. Families by. Do. You have a favorite joke, my favorite jokes and this is partially because I can't ever remember any jokes so I committed to memory a long time ago, used to be referred to as dumb blonde jokes. Right listened. We're just we're just to belong to talk yet. Hanging out. Yeah, my Russia coming in though. Oh me too me, too. So this is my favorite Joe. My favorite dumb blonde jokes, and I'll call them dumb blondes. They could be anything just people who don't know what's up, so. To Blondes? Go walking in the forest, and the first one looks down, says I'll look bear tracks, and the other one, says I, think those are deer, tracks, and the first one says not. There bear tracks, and the second one says girl fit definitely deer, tracks, and the first one says bear tracks, dear tracks bear deer, tracks bear tracks, dear checks, and then the train hit them. That's my. Dump under. Elizabeth I love you and thank you amazing truly. I had a great partner in conversation. So thank you bye, love you.

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#764: Live in Chicago / Oscars / Birds of Prey / The Assistant

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#764: Live in Chicago / Oscars / Birds of Prey / The Assistant

"Support for this podcast comes from K. Y I'm just going to say it. We all want great sex. Oh no thanks. I'll just have good sex said no one ever while this is the year. We're getting what we want with K Y Lube Ky. Take sex from good to. Oh my God and when you're getting unbelievable pleasure. It shows seriously the post great sex glow is real people so turn up the pleasure and show off the glow with Kyi. Get Your glow on at K DASH DOT COM and get ten percent off with Promo Code. Pleasure What kind of show you guys putting on here today without interested in going to do this thing going to have a conversation from Chicago. This is film spotty. I'm Josh Larsen and I met him. Kim Barr thank you so much when I was young and studying cinema. There was a saying that I carved deep into my heart which is the most personal as the most creative grew modern that caught to us from a great martines call so that was a nice moment. Such a nice moment. It almost made me wish. I'd watch the Oscars missed a good one that was parasite director bonds. Yun-ho at last weekend's Oscar ceremony accepting his best director award one of four trophies. The film took home including best picture this week. On the show. Some thoughts on parasites historic Oscar. Wins a quick review of the new Harley Quinn birds of prey in the assistant plus some highlights from our live fifteenth anniversary celebration recorded here in Chicago last weekend. All that and more ahead on film spotty thanks to feel for supporting films. Spotting feels is a premium. Cbd delivered directly to your doorstep become a member today by going to feels dot com slash film spotting. And you'll get fifty percent off your first order with free shipping. Welcome to film spotting if you had to pick one filmmaker whose work reflects your spiritual worldview. Who would it be without one question Josh? This Saturday night. I was transported back to senior year. Existential as things got serious at the live show. Didn't they did our listeners? As always too damn smart but that is a question we actually answered or fair to say at least tried to answer last weekend at our fifteenth anniversary. Live show here in Chicago. You know. Michael Phillips Chicago Tribune's Michael Phillips and producer San Hogger and they were grilled with that question too. So if you're not interested in hearing what ad I have to say in response you can at least hear them yeah. It was really great to see the crowd. A good turnout for our first stop on our tour at Chicago's historic music box theatre. We did Screen Howard Hawks Rio Bravo in thirty five millimeter. We chatted about the movie we had that. Qna featuring those very thoughtful questions from film spotting listeners. And as you said Josh the Chicago Tribune's Michael Phillips joined US ONSTAGE. Along with my original co host turned producer. Sam Van Haugen. You will hear all of that later in the show. We also have a few thoughts on the new. Dc E. U. Entry now called Harlequin or the unexpected virtue of ignorance. Tosari birds of prey. Adam to me. It's always going to be birds of prey and the fantabulous emancipation of one Harley. Quinn I'm sticking with it. It does still star Margot Robbie. They didn't change. That did that as far as I know. Okay you made it to that this past week and we're going to hear your thoughts. I made it just before sitting down here in the studio to the new film the assistant directed by Kitty Green. We will share a few thoughts on those films and podcast listeners will get their first taste. It's here a film. Spotting badness our annual single elimination bracket style turney this year. It's the best of the twenty tens. Are you ready? This is a tournament at least three years. I'm ready I mean it truly is and we have been working on this list in particular Sammy for at least the past year. And you're not GONNA get the full list now but you're going to get the plans and there are some fun one. So I am eager to finally unleash those on the world but I the Oscars Josh. I joked about it but it is true. I had a conflict for the first half so I couldn't have watched it anyway but I continued my tradition of not watching the Oscars. Save for Fifteen. Minutes may be here and there and also checking in on twitter. That's a thing now. People say I watched it on twitter. Because you have pretty much can watch it in real time whether you're actually seeing any of the footage or not. What did I miss well? I don't know if you heard Adam big night for parasite big night. I mean words is pretty insane and it was fun to watch in real time. I actually do. I go the opposite way. I just do these this show in real life. I put the phone away. Just hang out with the family. And what made that especially on? This year is the momentum that started to build four parasite winning got. I think the first award if I'm trying to remember was for original screenplay I think that came I. Maybe I had the wrong but I'm pretty sure international feature then came Whatever order they were in direct started to pile up. Your it was like. Is this really going to happen? And it ended up with a huge cheer in the House. When did get best picture? Scared the crap out of the dog. The poor dog was sound asleep at that moment. That was a lot of fun. It was great. It was a genuine surprise which you would know if you listen to our Oscar preview show a couple of weeks ago with Michael Phillips both he and I decided that we were gonna go the pessimistic route. We were going to assume the worst of the academy as most of us. Do we thought for sure they were going to go with. Nineteen seventeen which wouldn't have been necessarily a terrible take. Michael would say it was a terrible tick to me. It just felt like the safest route tradition of conventional war epic. Obviously very technically well made and I thought it was just a given that it was going to win and that Mendis was going to win for best director. Josh here you were the lone dissenting voice you somehow you looked into your Oscars Crystal Ball and you predicted a parasite win. Well this is where I will announce that. I'm resigning Adam from the show. The E has picked me up to be prognosticator next year. You can't do any worse than all the other so-called experts for sure the funny thing is that was a total audible like I brought my notes and I had decided to nineteen seventeen as well but as we were talking in conversation Yeah I just. It seemed like there was a path here in my logic. I don't even know if my logic played out it was the everyone will vote for. Its second and with a ranked voting system for best picture. If there weren't a lot of favorites for number one it might squeeze in there The number of awards that at one the four awards makes me out of six illegal. Yeah it makes me think that it was. You know the number one for a lot of people which is great. I mean there's just so much dithering about you know the representation of the nominees and I think that's correct. One kind of icky thing about the show was that there was not a diverse slate of nominees so they tried to make up with that by having multiple introductions that they would try it out people who are great people to see exciting talented actors actresses and filmmakers but it began to feel very much like tokenism yet. A fair amount of Meta commentary to directly. And now we're good. I did like gentleman. Her opening number. It explicitly called it out. That made it feel like okay. Even if they tapped her to be a token she wasn't having any of it and made her number a commentary. As you're saying so it was an extra thrill to see parasite which was a option a diverse option compared to most of the nominees. Actually become the main winner of the whole night Though it's been suggested that maybe the big winner of the night. If you consider bonds shout out and the standing ovation that followed it might have been. Martin Scorsese and I didn't witness that in real time as it happened on the broadcast but I did watch that later in the highlights as well as Laura dern great speech where she recognized her mother Diane Ladd in the audience as well as obviously her father. Bruce Dern who wasn't there and those were genuinely touching moments it was kind of neat you could see on. Scorsese's face that he had no idea that he was the author of that quote until Vong set it. Yeah so he was even surprised a little bit and you could tell that he was genuinely shocked as well at the response and I love that he stood up. He was so humble himself. He didn't WanNa make that about hint at all. Yeah there's a nice moment where you can see. He actually points back to the stage and and made the right call. That the gesture bonk's part. It was very kind and I'm sure Scorsese's films are meaningful to him but it almost did start to tip to where okay we have this fantastic historic win here and now we're going back to the traditional conventional guy but Scorsese handled it wonderfully and there were a lot of reaction shots of Scorsese throughout the night. For whatever reason for someone who came away empty-handed right I believe so. Yeah which was you know. Maybe a surprise. I know that I had hoped. At least in the category of best supporting actor Joe Pesci she would get. That did end up. Going to Brad Pitt as I think all three of us. Yes -ducted yeah. We got the acting categories. All correct. I think I know at least did call. All four of those in terms of supporting actor and actress and lead actor and actress. It's the other four categories. I got completely wrong but it did seem like Phoenix Lock. Zellwegger was a lock as well as Laura dern and Brad Pitt. The only one of those the disappoints me slightly and we talked about Zellwegger a little bit. I don't mind the movie and I don't mind or performance. I think it's pretty good. I think I'm still disappointed. Even though again felt inevitable. I'm disappointed only because of how much I genuinely loved. Scarlett Johansson's performance and Mary Story and I think we probably touched on this in one way or another in our Oscar preview. Show I love the Joe. Henson's character is a real wife mother and actress not a real life wife. Mother an actress if you know the distinction. I'm drawing. I'm just getting tired of seeing these impressions. Even if they're great ones you're speaking my language win Oscars and I think she is very good. But in terms of performance Johannesson's was the top for me of the year. Yeah as I mentioned. I think on our Oscar preview show. I was very surprised at how much I did appreciate Zellweger's performance but I also thought that Joe Hanson should have won it. I thought that even more during Zellweger's speech which went on and on and on and got kind of awkward did you catch Joaquin Phoenix's speech by another very lengthy one and curiously the bit about where he goes into You know things we should probably think about but how we treat cows for example and to get our milk and and got a little oak jaw with long you hold. It got very strong. Denial was but it's funny. You bring that up because I told you. I flipped in and out and maybe saw about fifteen minutes total and I did see maybe about fifteen seconds of Zellweger's speech and that's all I needed to see to remind myself why I just can't watch the Oscars. There's something about those speeches. That just makes me so uncomfortable. Which does make me appreciate even more when I watched one like Elijah. After the fact and see how composed she's a little nervous at the beginning just like anyone would be in her moment but she's so composed and she manages to say some very eloquent things that moment rather than rambling on and on and mostly being incoherence and. I'm just waiting for that to happen with every single one of those I will say I'm not a fan of the speeches at all. If if they cut out the speeches I be okay with it. If they made that massive change to the Oscars but I think the two that were the most elongated an awkward. Were those two otherwise there were some really good ones. Throughout the night I think even for Matthew Cherry I want to say a CO director of hair love and animated short Spoke very eloquently about that project and another really. Moving speech was from the winner of best score builder. Goodne- Duterte who did the score for joker which I think is one of the very well crafted elements of a well-crafted film and she came up and gave a brief but effective speech as well. So I don't think I think you probably saw the speech of the night badly of that. It's fitting I suppose that Oscar special which we did get at least one tweet from a listener who said it was really fun. Listening to our Oscar picks after the fact interesting and why not especially because Michael was quite entertaining and it really is more about our picks for who should win and our stupid omissions than it is the prognostications which truly are meaningless if you do want to check out that show if you overlooked at its episode seven sixty two in the film. Spotting Archive. You can find it at film. Spotting Dot net talk about meaningless. I get that best picture. Prediction right the unlikely prediction. Do I put any money on it anywhere? Do I not just my family even do a pool so that I can drag over. The three of them know didn't get me anything. Quick history lesson. This all started when the joker and I broke up. It was complete league and soon enough. It was back in my seat. Ready to endorse the fierce goddess within. Margot Robbie did not win an Oscar this past weekend but her new film did open. That's her as Harley Quinn. In the film that has been rechristened Harley Quinn birds of prey after a less than stellar opening weekend at the box office now. Do they really think that's going to make a dramatic difference? I'M NOT SURE BUT JOSH. Hugh caught up with this film. It's one I do plan to see at some point even though I still haven't seen suicide squad and frankly don't actually intend to. Will I be lost knowing how you felt about suicide squad? What made you want to see Harley Quinn well Harley Quinn is and I don't know if there is the best thing about suicide squad that was really dreadful but if there was one it was Harley Quinn This is one of the more idiosyncratic comic book characters I can think of and Margot Robbie has just you know the right or at least knows how to zero in on thority on what Harley. Quinn is on the page. But at least making this an incredibly idiosyncratic fascinating character to follow And that is why. I think those instincts are right to put her name more at the front of the title because she is and should be the best thing about this movie as well. I am liking it more and more the more I think about it. It was a bit of a strange experience. It has a lot of the negative things of the D. C. E. U. Which are this dismal grim. Grey Dark Gotham. That were set in here. But then the whole Harley Quinn. Aesthetic is completely at odds with that it. Is this bubble gum pop color? There's blue and pink sheen the the only way I can think of describing it is that it's it like it's made from rotten cotton candy because there is a decay decay at the heart of this character as well basically. She's an anarchist. But sort of a party. Anarchists not like a joker from the Dark Knight Anarchist She just Kinda wants to have villainous fun and she's going to do that with her own style. She puts you get the sense she puts most of the thought into her weapon choices and her fashion choices and then just jump into the fray and sees what happens in the things generally workout for a and yet Robbie has the right verve for this. She makes it fun. You WanNa root for this character and part of the interesting thing about birds of prey is how far you're willing to root for someone who is available. Now they place a more villainous villain against her you and Macgregor's gangster. I don't think that performance works while I know a lot of people really love it but for me He never quite decides to choose a comedy lane or a sadistic lane. He tries to mix the two. And sometimes that's possible but it doesn't work for me here. Those roles are harder and harder to pull off. Because we've seen it done. So that's what are the new takes. You can put on that type of bill. I don't think he brings anything new to it. So he's almost there just to You know it's like the movie wants to have a sense of moral anarchy to a point and then it wants to set up this character as the point by which it will not cross So you know there's some interesting stuff going on there. I think the main problem with the film And I should credit The director here. Kathy Yan gives it this aesthetic working with a great cinematographer. Matthew Liberty Did the Fountain Black Swans Mother Aronovski films ski films. And again this. This sort of Rancid sugar phys that they give to. The movie is its main appeal. It is something to look at the action scenes. There are a lot of them most of them work. But the climactic one is a vehicle. Chase Harley Quinn is on roller skates for it. So that gives you an idea of just how they're going to take this character. Put Her in Generic Superhero Comic Book Settings and allow her to give it. Its own sensibility. the stuff that doesn't work is a lot of the superhero movies really have difficulty bringing in multiple care multiple characters big cast. I think that's one of the underrated things that the. Mc you in the avengers films does so well we Kinda take it for granted but you see something like this. And they try to work in the birds of prey which are these supporting characters and it just is convoluted. Awkward doesn't work. That is probably more of a problem of the screenplay by Christina Hudson. And you know this is. This is a tough thing to thread trying to work in all these characters than it is of the supporting players. Because you have Rosie Perez here journeys small bowel who I the last thing. I remember her being in a long time ago was as the little girl in Eve's by she's very good here deserves her own movie And then the other character is Elizabeth played by Mary. Elizabeth winstead so all very talented actors and they bring vibrant characters but the story cannot fit them all in It really should have done just about Harley Quinn. That's all this movie needed. Robbie is great in the role and I think if they had focused a little more on that it would have been More successful but overall I think it's Harley Quinn. Birds of prey currently out in wide release. If you agree or disagree with Josh's thoughts you can email us feedback in film spotting dot net or find slash. Fight US on twitter. I'm at film spotting. He's at Larson on film. You're relatively new to the company I for nearly two months. You're under a lot of stress entry level jobs in this industry. A tough right long hours. I went in last one out night. Smart you have to be smart. It's a tough job but I can see that you've got what it takes. That's a clip from the for the new film. The assistant which I just saw here Josh Walk. Out of the theater a short time ago. It's directed by Kitty Green. Who made two thousand seventeen casting? Jon Benet a film. That was a real regret. I still haven't caught up with. I believe amy. Nicholson the great film. Critic called into our best of the year show back in two thousand seventeen and had casting Jon Benet as her favourite film of two thousand seventeen and you can actually get a sense there from the trailer of how quiet this film is actually. I don't recall any music in the film at all. So that's one distinction from the trailer. But you hear those kind of hushed tones. Everyone is whispering in and in some ways this movie. That would be an interesting pairing with your Harley Quinn. Birds of prey and in some ways it's of course completely antithetical. One way it similar is that there is certainly something rotten and something decaying in this workplace. And you talked about that sense of anarchy with Harley Quinn. There's a lot of chaos in the assistant accept. It is all happening behind Julia. Garner's is she plays Jane though. I'm not sure anyone really refers to her by her name throughout the film. She's an entry level assistant at a Miramax like production company in New York City. And it's very clear that she's an assistant for someone like Harvey Weinstein and Kitty. Green makes a really interesting choice. That kind of makes us almost feel like a horror. Film. Which is you. Don't see the monster. You only hear him. You see the empty space in his office when he's not there and the door opened and yet somehow he still imposing on everyone. Who's outside the office? You hear sounds coming from the office. When he's in there perhaps with an aspiring actress that he is trying out or talking to you hear him a couple times on the phone talking directly to Jane and in both of those instances it's very hushed but it does have that intimidation factor to it. So you just never see his face or you actually. Suli never seen it. Wow I think there's maybe a moment where the camera kind of glimpses him the door opens and there's a presence there as he's talking to other people but then the camera Canada's a soft focus thing and you see her almost like she's not used to even seeing him. God bless you know what I mean and then the door closes but truly green makes this really inspired choice to never show the bad guy. And that's what he definitely is and she's really the only one who seems to want to at least acknowledge that or confronted and as I said that drama is playing out in what I said was otherwise very restrained movie in her head the entire time. There's really nothing melodramatic at all about the film. So Much Josh. That when she goes in to have a conversation with the head of HR at one point played by Matthew macfayden. He pushes a Kleenex box towards her. And even just the gesture of pushing the box towards her takes on a certain menace. It's as if he's imposing upon her to just wipe those tears away. Everything will be okay and it's on. Its surface a very compassionate gesture but really is belying the fact that he can't wait to put her back in her place and get her out of the office as soon as possible. Honestly even New York City outside the walls of this place. It's a mausoleum it's as if you barely hear the sirens or the other sounds on the street bleeding into this place which really has become a house of horrors for her. And as a General Rule Josh. I don't like to make comparisons to movies. I haven't seen but certainly a film. I know by reputation. I think there's a lot of John Dieleman in this movie in terms of being a day in the life and all the tediousness that would go along with that from the moment she wakes up in the morning when it's still pitch black and when she goes home at night and it's pitch black is following her through all of her duties and to go back to birds of prey for a second. It struck me. You Watch film with that kind of Cotton Candy Aesthetic and this is a movie. That is all muted grays and Greens and even the pink shirt. We see her wearing the whole time is a very dull Heller. It's as if somehow the life has been sucked out of every single person who works here. And maybe the most heartbreaking moment in the movie which isn't a big plot point at all. There isn't a lot of plot in this film. It's a moment when she's talking to her father on the phone and it's clear that he's probably a very good man and he only wants what's best for his daughter and is curious how things are going but it's very clear he also doesn't really want to hear the truth right. It's easier to everyone. Good news that's it. It's easier for mom and it's easier for dad it's easier for the. Hr boss is easier for every single person in the office. Who all has dreams of becoming a big time producer like Jane wants to be a producer some day. It's easier if they all just keep their heads down and stay quiet and pretend nothing is happening so I definitely recommend the assistant and now I'm even more eager to go back and out casting. Jon Benet well there. You go our first two reviews of twenty twenty next. 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Your first order with free shipping feels dot com slash film spotting. Mister Buda a two hundred and fifty dollars a week newspaper. Mac I can be had for fifty. Why are you so good to me? I know newspapers backward forward and sideways. I can write them editon. Trentham wrap them. Don't need anybody right now. I can handle big news and a little news. There's no news I'll go out and buy the dog. He was one of the few remaining icons of Hollywood's Golden Age passing away at the age of one. Oh three last week Kirk Douglas in film that is certainly not typically considered one of billy wilders iconic films but it is one of my favorite billy wilder films nineteen fifty one zero s in the holy plays the grizzled cynical selfish newspaper. Man Chuck Tatum over the course of his career. Douglas was nominated for an Oscar three times. Two of those nominations were for Vincent Minnelli Films Nineteen Fifty. Two's bad and the beautiful in one thousand nine hundred fifty. Six Vincent Van Gogh bio-pic lust for life. Those were good chances for me to get a little better acquainted with Douglas's work because both were part of our Minelli Marathon. We did that not too long ago. Back in two thousand eighteen. Yeah and we could both probably benefit from a curse Douglas Marathon. Because as soon as we heard that he passed in new we would probably be about it on the show. I did consider whether or not there was enough there. There's certainly enough in his filmography whether or not we had enough to say to do a top five Kirk Douglas appreciation and pretty quickly. I was embarrassed because you look at his credits. And there's easily over one hundred of them. I think it's the case that I've only seen six Kirk Douglas Film. I don't know how that's possible but I've only seen six of them but what a set of six films they are now. I can kind of throw out one of them. Which is the final countdown a film from the Eighties? Where he's supporting player. He plays the captain of this ship. The Nimitz that gets stuck in a time warp and goes back to the day before. Pearl Harbor gets bombed by Japanese and as people have heard me say on the show many times over the years that is just one of my favorite nostalgic films from the nineteen eighties. Probably wouldn't have made a top five Kirk. Douglas means less. You're saying but these five films and these five performances are pretty great. You mentioned both for life and bad and the beautiful. I had those at five and four days of glory a movie. We haven't reviewed on the show but has come up in multiple top fives the Stanley Kubrick movie out of the past the Jacques Tornado. A film noir from Nineteen Forty Seven. Robert Mitchum the lead in that one of my favourite film. The wars actually discussed here on the show as part of our new are marathon back in. Oh six or oh seven and then ace in the hole is my favourite Kirk. Douglas Performance and Kirk Douglas movie which has also been discussed on the show your predecessor Mattie. I did it as part of an after hours episode. I think a listener actually did suggest it and they had the honors of picking our film to discuss. I'm grateful they did. I ended up teaching Billy Wilder class at the University of Chicago's Graham School one summer and as in the whole movie. I couldn't wait to share with people and that's the one that I would want to start with to do some of my Douglas Homework because I knowing how much you like it and hearing a lot about it over the years I would love to see that but the one I'd probably end up starting with is the big blind spot. Which is Spartacus? The kubrick film and I think as a matter of fact isn't it in the mix for a potential blind spotting bonus episode for patron patrons. I think we have that true which we might get to. This year may be yes. We might do a little bit of epic homework and includes Spartacus. Because you're right. It is a blind spot for both of us. We did want to plug an article written by someone who we have on the show from time to time Angelica jade bastion. She wrote a really nice remembrance of Douglas over at Vulture called. What does it mean to mourn? The Golden Age of Hollywood. It opens largely consists of a breakdown of what made Kirk Douglas. So good as an actor and what made him so perfect for that role in ace in the hole as you would expect from Angelica. She also makes about so much more she makes it about film to War. She makes it about how we consider. Legends like Douglas. Who have these things from their past? That have been brought up recently including some rumors about past involvement with Natalie Wood and also a young actress who disappeared. This was all fairly new to me. Josh and it has been all just rumours over the years but what Anjelica did was find a way to tie that back to the Douglas Persona and also to the misogyny of film noir which she talks about as a genre really was trying to comment on that misogyny and perhaps even chip away at it a little bit. And you've got someone like Douglas almost came to personify that Misogyny Yeah. Jelica stuff is always good but I would really encourage people to check this one out. I mean she she digs deep as you're saying and I have to think knowing how much she loves noir. Maybe she was able to put this together in the wake of the news but it is so well considered so carefully detailed that it feels like something. That's she's been working on for months or so I'm going to tell myself that otherwise I'll be incredibly jealous that she through this together and a few days because it's really strong. We will link to that article in our show notes over film spotting dot net. If you want to seek it out next week on the show we are beginning. A trilogy of episodes that will be devoted to looking back at the past decade. We did this around March ten years ago. We thought it would be a fun exercise to do again. Even though after looking back on the past year so much in December and January. I know we are pretty excited to kind of turn the page. Start Looking at twenty twenty. It was fun to get to do that. With a couple of movies here earlier in the show but I am excited to countdown. Our top ten performers of the decade so actors and actresses. We're going to group them together. We're going to rank them. However we see fit for to see how much crossover there is. An of course. A lot of it as you would expect and as it should be. It's going to be subjective. It's going to be about the performances that we appreciate the most but there's GonNa be some level of consideration of where these performers stood in the Zeitgeist. If you will over the past ten years I think I imagine. We'll both taken into account things like Oscar. Nominations not that they signify ultimate importance but they do reflect that impact on the culture. You're talking about and we have. This has been an evolving approach to how to consider a decade's worth of acting at one point we did talk about doing specific performances That just felt a little overwhelming. Think we're already trying to do homework for what we will get to the best films In so to try to narrow down and catch up with so many performances. We just didn't know how we'd get our heads around that so we made the switch to performers and figured This might be a not easier. I'm still feel daunted by it but a slightly more manageable approach turns out you guys did this. Yeah earlier. So why not? Just keep going maybe ten years from now. We'll do it again if you have a pick for the best actor or actress of the decade. Who's your top performer? You can let us know feedback at film spotting dot net or you can find us on Social Media. You can also leave us a voicemail. Three one two two six four zero seven four four or record. Mp Three or other audio file and send it to US speaking of twenty twenty films. There's one that I am looking forward to Adam. It is the invisible man with Elizabeth Moss. It's also one that you can get a chance at winning a free pass to if you go to film spotting dot net slash events every once in a while. We're lucky enough to have some of these admit to passes to give away and that's what's available here. The screening itself is Una Tuesday February. Twenty five that is in advance of when the invisible man comes out it's going to be at AMC river east in Chicago. So if you WANNA know how to enter that contest head on over to film spotting dot net slash events sales wanted to plug our sister. Podcast the next picture show every two weeks you will find a new movie. Pairing a recent release and a classic Tasha. Scott Keith. Who all made it out to our live. Show great to see them. Genevieve Kofsky couldn't be there but this week they are doing their fantasy islands. Pairing its part. One Jane campion's the piano pairing that with Selene scam as portrait of a lady on fire. We mentioned it last week. This episode basically should be injected right into your veins gobbled it up. It's already in there. It's running through the system and I'm loving it now. I Know Adam that my opinion on movies you you know you hold in not very high regard. Sure Scott Tobias as opinion on movies. I mean you you are in lockstep in lockstep as as a skeptic of the piano one of my favorite films of all time please listen to Scott. Oh no please really yes. He's all in on the piano. How well now I will give it. Say It's reconsideration. Work of Scott and of course portrait of lady on fire one of the best films last year. We did agree on that. Yes we did new episodes of the next picture show post every Tuesday at midnight. You can find it wherever you get your podcast more info at next picture. Show dot net. Now it's time for massacre theater to the part of the show where we perform a scene and you get a chance at winning a film spotting t shirt a couple of weeks back Adam myself and guest Michael Phillips of the Chicago. Tribune massacre this scene. Taking care of you want to jump take you up. What is now going to take care of him. Clark County sheriff's got himself a girl all through that you know the same thing do done. I ain't GonNa George. Why don't you tell me the thing where you're going? Where's Lloyd dumpy know? Putin thinks he does know you. GotTa wonder runner. She sure. Can you see them laying down the Lord? I told you already get better to office. So that was Walter Brennan Stumping Dean Martin as Dude and John Wayne as sheriff John t chance in Nineteen fifty-nine Bravo written by Mick Campbell. Jewels Firth Mun and Lee Barack it directed by Howard Hawks and yes. It was part of our Oscar special show with Michael Phillips a couple weeks back so why Rio Bravo while. Probably obvious if you've been paying attention to this episode but let's see what listeners came up with rob in rockville. Maryland rates beyond the obvious connection to your fifteenth anniversary screening. John Wayne was perpetually snubbed by the Oscars until he won a lifetime achievement award in nineteen seventy four proving. The academy missing. Major talents is nothing new. Here's Tom Morris. From Clinton Tennessee. You picked Rio Bravo and for some reason. Adam thought he was playing Matt Damon instead of T. Marie I will take it of the listen to that again. Josh was averages John Way No. I was a fail. Tom was fail. But Michael Phillips was the greatest. Walter Brennan since Robin Williams did his impressions in Good Morning. Vietnam Henrik Hanssen in Kent UK. Now Josh when you did the phone spotting meet up in the UK. Did you meet Henrik is enough to think? Henrik made it okay. Well maybe he'll make it out for me when I come there this summer. Yes that would be nice. I'm excited about that. More details about a London film spotting up coming in the near future. Henrik says okay. Here's my question. Have you ever considered having a massacre theater acting award like adding it to your party? Because Michael Phillips Performance Walter Brennan was outstanding and his performance of Walter Brennan. Impersonating John Wayne was even better performances. In why like I agree. I agree with that Andy. Marquee is from minitry stuff. Minute Trista Minnesota to hear the Great Michael Phillips Channeling his Inner Walter Brennan just might be the highest point of your entire podcast. Run and I've listened to almost all of your episode. Andy with maybe. A little bit of a backhanded compliment. Their fifteen years of in depth film. Talk and Michael. Coming in and acting like study was the highlight so really. The official tie-in of that massacre theater was to our fifteenth anniversary. It's the best part of our show ever and you know what? I'm not sure that we can really argue with Andy. Thanks to everyone who wrote in. Thanks to everyone. Who Entered Josh? You're going to reach into the hat fairly brimming this week and take out the winner. The winner is Dan. Buckler from right up the road in Milwaukee Congratulations Dan email feedback at film spotting dot net. And we will set you up with your very own film. Spotting t shirt. We have no new mask theater this week. And if there were any conspiracy theorists out there wondering if we just decided to shut it down that would be out of league should but in truth we do typically take a hiatus from asker theater during this time of year when we get into film spotting madness lasting madness is absolute madness. Mad As ambassador. Why should you build such a thing? His Sparta Josh Bloody. We're opening with three hundred. Yes wow it is time for film. Spotting madness. Our sixth annual bracket style tournament. The last couple of years have kind of been leading up to this year's turn in two thousand eighteen. We did the best of the nineties. The COEN BROTHERS. Fargo came out on top in that contest. Last year was the best of the two thousand. Paul Thomas Anderson's there will be blood. Beat Out Eternal Sunshine of the spotless. Mind in that final and now it's twenty twenty a new decade and we consider the best of the twenty tens and you know what both the Cohn brothers and Paul Thomas. Anderson have pretty high seeds in this tournament. One of them could win it again. We will have to take that into account in our prediction brackets. They go we kind of ease into these tournaments with a play in round though the plan around has significantly expanded shocking salmon. I decided to try to jam in every movie. We maybe were even slightly feeling bad about leaving off for trying to appease everyone move. We actually do like these contests. We found some connecting tissue here. Josh we've got seventeen of now if you're one of those people who's like you know. What film spotting madness. It kind of wears me down. I'm not sure I need to listen to them. Read these picks and go on and on about these polls forty minutes. No one could possibly all wheel that way. Right all of your. Aliases writing in telling us to stop. We're going to go quickly through it. We promised what we're GonNa do is. We're going to read the match ups themselves and then we'll just very quickly kind of break them down in terms of which ones were the easiest for us to vote in. Yes ones that. Were a little bit tougher and then the ones that were truly tough. The one for you you really. You hovered with your mouse over the poll that represent the agony. The get home spotty man. That's exactly right so josh I'm GonNa go ahead and take the first eight here. Okay can do the rest. We start with the plane recalling Adam versus Josh should be easy for both of. I think so sing street my beloved Sink Street Versus Your Beloved Cedar Rapids. Yeah and you know this is not to dump on Sink Street. I think I think it was among my like maybe top twenty of the year that it came out I just you know there are other feel good musical set. Where where's IT sets like you? Hey Yeah type movies that I could watch how many times how many times how many movies I should say. Can you see John? C Reilly swimming in a pool with a garbage can on his head I mean. That's that's what I need by Julia and right away just based on. I'm going to say Elise Cedar rapids. Which is movie. I like quite a bit right away. All of our credibility with fighting mattis has just blown right out the window. Right like we're saying. These are the best of the twenty tens Josh. Oh Yeah Oh yeah it's it's it's probably gonNA come up again this week. I'm cutting my list down to the top fifty and it's in contention okay. Well we need to move quicker here are Alicia. Sas KRISTEN STEWART. Collaboration he can only pick one personal shopper versus clouds of Sills Maria. Or we have our Oscar winning backstage dramas plan in Yari. Twos Birdman Versus Darren Air Nazis Black Swan. There's our comedy play in lonely island's pop star never stopped stopping versus TYCO. Itt's what we do in the shadows asserts driven. The poll has just called driven. Because you can go with. Nicolas Winding refn drive a certain type of literally driven artist and Damian chazelle whiplash about the ambitious jazz drummer. We have an extra Anderson and that betrays the fact that. There's at least one other film from Wes Anderson and at least one other film from Paul Thomas Anderson. That did make the big dance. This is an extra one you can decide whether or not PTA's inherent vice is GONNA make it. In or Wes Anderson's moon rice kingdom is going to make it in Alex. Garland also has a match up here. You have to choose X. Machen A- or annihilation and my last one horror Ari Astor's hereditary his debut or Robert eggers debut the witch. Both of those filmmakers had movies that came out this past year including the lighthouse and astor's midsummer you gotTa pick which debut you appreciate more all right our next batch here is the Jim Jarmusch Faceoff. Only lovers left alive versus. Patterson the Ryan Johnson face off our next category last Jedi verses knives out then we have two films from Kenneth Lonergan against each other Manchester by the sea versus Margaret Margaret. One of those that I still need to catch up with how about an extra Quentin Tarantino one. Time in Hollywood. That's already in it and test. It's there so now we have to decide which of these two is going to make it as well. Django unchained or hateful. Eight hundred the DNI VAL new face off. We have a rival three choices here. A rival versus bladerunner twenty forty nine versus sicario. Only take one only one is GONNA make it. We also have three films from Edgar right going against each other. Scott Pilgrim world's end or baby driver again. Only one will make how about these superheroes going up against each other avengers endgame versus Black Panther Versus Logan. Wait we're not done versus wonder woman. Yeah and in early voting it looks like Logan and Black Panther our virtual tie kinda surprising to you yet maybe a little bit. I thought endgame would probably take it and there is some early voting because not only. Are these plans available now at film spotting dot net but don't spotting newsletter subscribers? They got the list on Monday. They got to get their votes in early one of the benefits of signing up for the newsletter which you can do it. Film spotting dot net slash newsletter? Alright another pairing here. Too Euro slanty most films. The lobster is going up against the favorite now. We already have Atlanta most film. And then you don't worry dog tooth fans that did make its hand and that's a good transition to our final category which is golden brick winners. Josh we put dog tooth in this is our annual award that goes to our overlooked film of the year. Dog Tooth is in Joshua Oppenheimer's the act of killing is in that leaves eight other options. We just couldn't choose between our babies here so we're giving you all of them you can pick. Between Cleo Barnes the Arbor Andrea Arnold's weathering heights Jeremy's Blue Ruin Sean Bakers Tangerine Anna rose homers the fits coconut Columbus being lose minding the gap. And even our last winner of the Golden Brick. Joe Tablets the last black man in San Francisco. This one really has been neck and neck. There's three or four titles bunched up at the top right now so I can't wait to see how it all shakes out in terms of the plans that stood out to me is the easiest the ones that I could just pretty quickly pick my winner. Black Swan versus Birdman. I'm down on Birdman. I like Black Swan quite a bit and the editor right trio films there. I do like Scott Pilgrim vs the world. But I'm not so high on the driver and for me. The world's end was a pretty easy choice. These other four are cases where I do like both films quite a bit but one is still a decided winner for me seeing street over Cedar rapids arrival as the Deville. No film over Blade runner twenty forty nine and SICARIO. I do prefer only lovers left alive to Patterson in the Jarmusch matchup and yet still a fan of x McKenna over Alex. Garland's latest. What about you all right? So my easy grouping. I think clouds of Sales Maria. I do like quite a bit more than personal shopper. So that's not hard I'm burdened fan. I didn't think it was one of the best films of the year. But I like it and I've got to revisit Black Swan because it sounds like sort of thing that I should really like and I didn't go for the first time so that was easy for me. Birdman let's see here. What else would be pretty easy. Well you know I like inherent vice but come on numerous kingdom of going that way. I'm with you ex MC enough favourite film of that year so that is going to get my vote over annihilation Last Jedi. I like but knives out worked for me a lot more. That is my vote. They're Django unchained is probably one of my top three. I think it Turned Tino films and hatefully is way at the bottom. So that's pretty easy. I'm a big Fan. Blade runner. Twenty forty nine. That is easy as well. And then my last easy one is probably the lobster over the favor because like the favourite but lobster was in my top ten that year so my next set of tougher choices you mentioned three of them picking between knives out and the last Jedi and if feels like the last Jedi has become so divisive that I almost want it to continue just for that reason not because it bugs people because it then feels significant feels like one of those films that is obviously dominated the discourse for at least the past few years but I do prefer knives out and it's the film got my jangling chain. I do have higher on my Tarantino List than the hateful eight even though unlike you. I'm a fan of both films and I like both those assay films quite a bit. With Kristen Stewart but clouds of Sills Maria my preference over personal shopper. The witch versus hereditary was a tough one for me because. I'm a little bit mixed on both films but when I think about the one that I most want to rewatch and reconsider its the Robert Acres. It's the witch of all those golden bricks and man. They're obviously some great titles. There you know what stands out as my favourite film. I think of the bunch when you also throw out the act of killing and dog tooth. It's coconut is Columbus. That's the one I would most like to see advance into the tournament in my driven artists plan do like Nicolas Winding Refn xdrive overtures els whiplash though superhero matchups. I KINDA WANNA see Black Panther move on because I really like to see Ryan Kugler. Continue in the tournament I also very much liked his creed from this decade. But we were both pretty high on endgame in in terms of being able to stick the landing so to speak and you think about how it and the avengers dominated the discourse as well that is my pick their finally in the Lonergan battle. I do have Margaret just beating out Manchester by the sea or a my tougher choices. The driven category was one for sure. I think I'm with you. I think I have to go with Dr Over whiplashed. But that's that's not an easy choice to make I'M GONNA say boy the Jarmusch one. I my instinct is to say only lovers left alive but I have a feeling. I watched Patterson again that one might stick to me a little more and I may be under even though I liked it a lot. I may be under appreciating it. So that's really hard I'm gonNA. I'm GonNa just going to say that that's the case. I'M GONNA go with Patterson and the Edgar right one for me. It's between worlds and and Scott Pilgrim. I'm with you. I think we were both a little. Let down by baby driver. And Scott Pilgrim just watching scenes again from it today and it. It has that vitality to it. That makes me smile. That's where my vote is going to go. The superheroes category is a tough one. And the weird thing is I think. Initially I gave Endgame a higher star rating over Black Panther but the more that I have watched Black Panther I've just come to appreciate it so I think that's my vote as well but it's tough not an easy one and then the brick category tough but I think there's one and I'm not going to spoil this because there is one brick contender that might be among my top twenty films of the decade And so that's where I would vote now. So it's a tough choice. These are obviously all good films that I feel really strongly about But I think there's one I know where I'd go. Can I just playfully guests between two films? It might be. Yeah I won't give you an answer. Okay I could see some Sean Baker love with Tangerine. I could see Anna's homer and the fit says well which for the record our producer. Sam Van Hallgrim. That's his pick in this. Pull that leaves us with three. At least for me. There are three that were the toughest. Actually it was tough to choose which lengthy most because I am a big fan of both the favourite and the lobster but the lobster for me is the more enduring enigma. And it's the one again. I most want to revisit. Which is what I consider maybe preeminent when I am thinking about which film was going to survive in which film is going to go into the fire pit that we claim the discarded movies are going to go into the Anderson Matchup. Josh was certainly one of the toughest for me. And that's despite all of my love and affection for Paul Thomas Anderson up there as if not my favorite filmmaker. He's certainly in the top two but moon rise. Kingdom is one of my favorite wes Anderson Films as well. After a lot of deliberation I did ultimately give the edge to PTA. Oh Yeah I really moon rise kingdom that chance against West and Moon Rise Kingdom. I think the voters are going to be on your side by how I'd go. Pta I just love that Phoenix performance. I it's good. I love in her advice. Would Moon Rise just it? It's one of those all of his. Get better with repeat viewings. But that's one. I feel like I underrated and have watched many times sense in. It's it's so great so the toughest. Yeah so the killer for me. Yeah there was a clear number. One heavy depict between pop star never stopped. Never Sti- I am with you and white. Dt's shadows. Because I think both are hilarious. I can't imagine a world where one of those films doesn't exist but you have to and that's how I chose. Yeah and that made it then a little bit easier and why it is. I just as I the aching from laughter. Right the hurt. The good hurt was just a little more with what we do in the shadows. Yeah yeah that was. That was my toughest choice. Did have one other real killer here. And that was in the horror category because boy those two debuts from Rei and Robert Eggers the witch just knocked me out But I think that I am with you I have slight issues with both endings of those films and their slater with a wet so I think I would go with which okay well. We can't wait to get all of your votes in and to read some of your comments as well film spotting madness the best of the two thousand ten's will officially kick off in a couple of weeks. What you can do right now is get your votes in in those playoff polls we do have a week between our next show. Josh where we announce the official final bracket we tally up all these votes and see what the final sixty four looks like. So that's coming in a few weeks but please do vote now. Don't spotting dot net slash madness. That's the enthusiastic crowd that made it out this past Saturday night to help us kick off our fifteenth anniversary tour. Our hosts for that event were are great friends at the music box theatre here in Chicago. We did Screen Howard Hawks Rio Bravo and thirty five millimeter and you tweeted about Josh watching Rio Bravo with a crowd Really is a lot different than sitting home and watching it on your couch. You've got the difference in watching a print versus watching a DVD watching a smaller screen. But it really was watching it with that crowd. Would you say we asked? And judging by the applause maybe half of the audience had seen it before or something like that. So what that means. Is there anticipating. You know the laugh lines and they're like literally cheering when characters show up and that's something you can only get from from a classic that people know well and love well and it becomes a whole different experience and that's what it was. We did Talk Rio Bravo we had little Q. And a. About the show's history and we had our friend. 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You can check out both of those films and more over at 'EM UB I dot com slash film spotting. Let's go ahead and share the audio of our evening at the music box josh. We're going to start with our Rio Bravo setup and we'll get right into the post screening discussion and QNA on the organ. Dennis Scott Thank you so much. Unique venue and one of the unique pleasures. Certainly have coming here. So thank you very much for the intro music there. We are curious about some of the people in attendance. We've been able to talk with a few of you before the show but how many people did start listening back in two thousand five anybody round of applause. Podcast okay not bad. How about anybody just started listening in the past year or so nice okay. Well Welcome to the newcomers. I'm a newcomer myself really. I mean I'm going to go around that new anymore. It's like eight years. Can you believe that. Yeah but I'm still the new kid on the block so so how about people who've Seen Rio Bravo before and how many of you've seen it on the big screen. See there we go yes. This is why we're doing this the first time for us to so we wanted to talk a little bit about that and kind of set up the movie here a little bit before we get in and what we're GONNA do of courses come back after well have some guests join US onstage. We'll talk a little bit about. The movie will answer a few questions from film spotting listeners. As well but this is a movie we've talked about on the show. It goes back to actually two thousand six the first marathon we ever did on. The show was a western a week. Marathon where we talked about eighteen westerns and listeners. Had A huge part in picking those movies and Rio Bravo was an essential film The v movie in that Marathon. Now I actually went back and listened and I never go into the archive. Trust me. I don't even go to shows deepen the archive I went back. And listen to the show. Cynic cast is what we were known at the time. Senecas forty six from October. And Sam do you know how much time we're Sam Sam. You know how much time we gave to Rio Bravo. No it was about gives about eat maybe. All Total Johnson covers everything. I'm sure we don't talk about the weather for eight minutes. Pretty crazy that we only gave it that much time we were gushing about it and also we seem to be trying to set a record for how fast we could talk. I don't know what that was. Maybe we've matured and we talk slower now. I don't know I is this leading towards your blaming the extended show length on me. I don't like I don't like incorrect. You can see when it happened so I think you're to blame but yeah it's a movie for us. That felt like an obvious choice to watch here. Not only because we selfishly wanted to see on the big screen but it does go back to those marathons and kind of what has made the show so special for. Us fifteen years which is that listener contribution interacting with you guys and also really the thrill of discovery because we certainly came into this not ever feeling like we all the answers about cinema did we SAM. No and we were kind of shocked that people were listening to us. Talk about these movies but this has been a film school for us for fifteen years and the marathons in particular well. We're still doing that today. I mean last year looking at the Marlene Dietrich and Joseph on Sternberg Marathon. Those were films. We didn't see for the most part have never seen before so but yeah to that listener participation part the one thing I love about the marathons and they are part of my one of my favorite parts of the shell really is. If you're in letterbox as we are often and we're doing a marathon you'll see something like Shanghai express pop up in a feed. You know in your feet a couple of times and sure enough you start to recognize the names and you get this sense that we're doing it for the show But there's a whole group of people out there who are watching these movies along with us and of course ending in feedback with email and so forth. But it's just kind of cool when you're scrolling through letterbox. And you'll see familiar movie pop up. And No. That's what's going on. You guys are out there doing this alongside us so a little bit of background on Rio Bravo for those who haven't seen it or maybe those who have been are wondering why they're back watching it again. I WANNA provide some on the movie and why it is such an essential film Nineteen fifty-nine written by Jules firth men and Lee bracket who collaborated on another Howard hawks film with the big sleep and actually lead brackets. She was one of the credit screenwriters for the younger not younger anymore. People in the audience on the Empire strikes back with Lawrence Kasdan. She wrote the first draft of that. So a collaborator. More than once with Howard Hawks and in Nineteen Sixty Two the British film journal Movie Publish Their First Ranking of directors and they had these tears for filmmakers and they had only two that they called brilliant and those brilliant directors were Alfred Hitchcock and Howard Hawks and the really the kind of sentiment that hawks was one of these essential great directors kind of wasn't in the popular culture at the time it wasn't the conventional wisdom until around those those mid sixties the late sixties Andrew. Sarah's eventually he of really popularizing the theory he wrote a book in Sixty Eight called the American cinema directors and directions and he he ranked from one thousand nine hundred nine up to nineteen sixty eight every filmmaker and he had these tears as well yet names for them. Just you'll never guess what he called. The top level of directors Pantheon called it the Pantheon. We didn't know that Sam when we when we did this. It was not an to to Sarah. But Chaplin was in their Ford was in their hitchcock was in there. Maybe about ten others. But Hawks was one of those essential filmmakers and you definitely will get an argument about it. Michael. I'm sure who's over here and you're going to hear from later. Michael Phillips would surely disagree as much as he likes Hawks and likes Rio Bravo but he worked in so many different genres. You can make a case. He made the best film and all of those different genres whether it was his musical or his film noir. Or of course his western and Quinn Tarintino. This film. He adores and says. It's not only probably hawks. His greatest film. It's probably John Wayne's greatest film he says it's probably the greatest western and he calls it the ultimate hang out movie and so it kind of feels appropriate for all of us tonight. We're hanging out together. But he says by the end of the film really become friends with these characters and I think that is something essential to hawks and in film and one of those things that really does make it unique. He actually quotes the critic Robin Wood. Who wrote a book on Hawks? Who says that if there was ever one movie that justifies the existence of Hollywood commercial cinema? It's Rio Bravo and hawks liked it. So much remade it twice basically Rio Lobo and El Dorado and John Carpenter who we just talked about recently on the show as part of our eight from eighty four series with starman. He adored Bravo kind of remade himself with assault on precinct. Thirteen as well and he kinda echoing Tarantino said this about the movie. It's almost like watching a piece of classical music. It's slow elegant and it doesn't rush and it goes from one movement to the next and it carries you along with it so I think for me tonight. That's the thing as I have seen the movie but it's recently but it's been maybe five to seven years ago. Not Not that recent one of the things. I most eager to really pay attention. To his hawks. Craftsmanship despite the fact that being ostentatious was anathema to him as a filmmaker. You're not gonNA get any Rivera tracking shots. You're not gonna get any crane shots. There's not much with the editing. He's not going to do flashbacks or or montages and yet you can't really say the filmmaking is boring so that that's that craftsmanship is what I want to pay attention to. The ship will probably end up talking about is things like blocking and framing and the composition. And how it is subtle but incredibly effective and does Adam mentioned hawks other Westerns. But some of the other titles you might have thrown out there but Just to to put in. The context of what hawks was doing was not only these Westerns but his girl Friday gentlemen prefer blondes. Which I just saw speaking of continuing your education a couple of years ago and his brilliant is a hawks film And something like to have it or have not so yeah wide array of films that that he made and as far as Rio Bravo. Its IT hits. All the Western tropes indefinitely fits that bill but somehow does that touches them lightly And has fun with them. There's a looseness to this picture. Hang out that. I think you'll feel especially if you are steeped in Westerns. And if you're not if this is your first Western It's a great introduction. So is this the first Western for anybody? Okay so we got yes. Okay well honestly back in in two thousand five or six. We watched it. It might have been for me. I was I always kind of deliberately avoided them. They were the movie's My dad like to watch that. I thought seemed really boring and I didn't want to be into any of the things my dad was into so hopefully sophie. My daughter in the audience tonight will will not feel that way and will enjoy Rio Bravo as well so any anything else. We need to get to before we started. I don't think so I mean we'll touch on some details afterwards Michael Phillips will be with us to help us do that. And we'll hear from Sam van Haugen as well So that should be fun. Can't promise it'll be as good as the movie. Thank you all for coming. Enjoy the film. We'll talk after yes there'll never be another like Rio Bravo with its lumbering story. Raw courage against overwhelming odds and once in a lifetime combination of today's hottest star name. You've seen nothing like them together and here at real old mobbing tarum apart. I don't know how we how do we follow Rio? Bravo or s is going to be. Yeah Yeah we are so. We're going to need some help to do it. I think and we can't really perform my rifle my pony and me without this being at least a trio so we're going to bring up the guy who I started this show with fifteen years ago and still somehow is the producer of the show. Sam Van Hallgrim. Please come to the welcome Sam and we thought that we needed some star power for this event for Fifteenth Anniversary Celebration. He may do the Best Walter. Brennan impression this side of the Mississippi but to us he's Ricky Nelson from the Chicago Tribune. Michael Phillips Curve Joyous Michael. He's got the best he just needs the badge and you'd be perfect so I don't I don't know completely where to start with this but the line that really jumped out to me. This time. The line that I think is the line in the movie and a lot of ways and also the line. That sort of best exemplifies hawks as a filmmaker is when the dude says when Dude says to John. Wayne he's asking about the Ricky Nelson character about Colorado. And says how do you think he is and he says well he's? He seems to be pretty good so good. He doesn't have to prove it right. Which in a Lotta ways is really what this film is about these characters who don't want to have to prove it. But if they do they can they can. They can back it up and action certainly speak a lot louder than than the words but also we. Were talking about hawks as a filmmaker the the way this film shot a lot of medium shots you know two and three shots and a lot of camera movement very utilitarian functional. The shots do their jobs just like the characters in this film do their jobs and even the maybe the best sort of symmetry was seeing that that great the right say the most ostentatious hawks may get that opening three minutes or so the silent dialogue no dialogue get a little bit of Camera Movement. Kind of shows us the relationships between these characters. The power dynamics in this situation as well and that that great shot of cutting down to dude and were at his eye level as he looks up at John Wayne and at the end we get the redemption. We get the moment where it's now come. Full circle he doesn't WANNA drink anymore. And Hawks puts the camera in that same position. He moves it down to Dean Martin's level as he's looking back up a John Wayne so what? Michael stood out to you in terms of hawks as as a filmmaker watching Real Bravo. Yeah it's I mean like a lot of people here I suspect in if that's true with what you said earlier Adam. I mean Westerns. Were not why I fell in love with movies. There was not a Gina. I really found my west. My My love in until I was in my thirties and Not Writing about film yet. I've written mostly about filling in my twenties and then did a lot of theater and then back to film fifteen years ago or so but it wasn't really until I found some hawks westerns that I got over Psalm of my resistance to a lot of western classics little some of them by John Ford. Who was you know is is as front and center an important filmmaker to this country is anybody? I? It's not it's not the he's not the director that got me interested. I've come around to him but I what I what I've always loved about. Hawks this stuff And he didn't make tons of Westerns. He made more aviation pictures and and then he was best known for the stuff. I adore this group of bringing up baby and his girl Friday and his girlfriend. Especially my God and and just have you. Can you name a director in the in the world whoever may to temperamentally and also just in terms of rhythm and tempo different films than his girl? Friday and Rio Bravo. And they're both good. You know I mean it's amazing you could do. You could two and a half his girl Fridays wrote. We just saw you know But I think a lot of a lot of the stuff. I don't love about Westerns The West I don't like is somehow it all works here? John Wayne is just forced to kind of I don't know slow down to accommodate this half ass plot. You know and and who cares I often say but you'll story is is the reason we we go to. You know we go to the movies in the first place but it's not really why we stay in love with the movies. I think it's you know kind of how they're told. And what what's up and also who would have the nerve to do two musical numbers in a row in the middle of a you know I mean. It's just an and a moments like that to take me back to hawks movies. I really really love in similar ways to this one. Only Angels Have Wings. Cary GRANT EXIT THIRTY NINE. Which is aviation picture in a way and this scene and you get the very same female archetype you know. Jean Arthur in that film is just a showgirl who just shows up on a tramp steamer in a in an unidentified the fictional Latin American country with a with a port and a very similar to like. You know it's like this. Is this this woman? I guess historically chronologically this Angie Dickinson must have been her mau- my guess. You know her mother back here. She is just sort of like tumbling off the stagecoach There's that and to have and have not is the other one that has the same hanging around atmosphere just sort of you know plot interview interjects intrudes occasionally just enough to remind you. There is a movie going on and I don't know it's what you said in the opening though it's it's the hangup factors enormous and Any and some people don't love it because it's not the engineering isn't in it you know it's not like stage coach great film It's not like Well God knows it's not like the searchers which is a very different level of you know ten ton seriousness. Great in many ways not in others and but it don't mean right around the same time that was fifty six. This is fifty nine. This film just doesn't give a shit about what's going on in the culture. You know I mean it's it's it's what was the Big Ben Hur and on the Beach Stanley Kramer end of the world movie that nobody remembers This is this is a film. It's just it's not. It's not an end of the world film. It's just its own world film. That's a Sam. You only only angels have wings. Is the movie you might love even more than Rio Bravo? I was thinking I was thinking of only angels. As the whole time I already covered that. Yes so we can move on Stealing my thunder the thing that really struck me. This time was sort of Western convention. That was all about like. Let's give every character opportunity to be their best under the war circumstances. When do we get the musical number? It's right after dude. Pours the liquor back in the bottle without shaking? You know no quarter the music's playing in the background and then he made it. He was his best self We get it from Angie Dickinson earlier. She's like I'm sick of being the you know the victim here going from town to town being kicked around by the sheriff. I'm done on my own terms. I'm going to show you who I am. Come hell or high water And I was thinking it's like okay so that dude's okay. And there's a little bit of a lull and I'm like we're just going to wrap things up. All we have to do now is just have the big shootout. But then they're stumping stompie still needs his redemption. You see that you know with John Wayne what he's doing. He's almost like letting everyone have their moment. He doesn't manipulate. He just is like I'm GonNa give you the best chance to be your best self. In every case where there's the dude or Colorado and then stumping who he you know he just kicks him all the way down just so he can until he stands up for himself and I'm going to go ahead and dig. Are we GONNA have a battle assault? I was I was Gonna ask you one thing. Was you ever be practically guaranteed that? That's what struck me too about. This revisit though is how chance handled all these other characters. You're right SAM. It's it's almost like he creates this space and he doesn't when he first brings in dude he doesn't tell him okay. Here's what you've got to do to earn your badge. He just says you want to be here. You can be here. Let's see what you do with that and puts it in his hands and sees how he responds to it. So that really struck me this time around and I it was. It was an incredibly moving actually Dow Michael. You mentioned John Ford who I think most people think of first when it comes to Westerns and the vistas right the grand views of monument valley or whatever it might be and we don't get that here think about when we move at the end to that Byron or whatever it feels like the whole movie has opened up because we've mostly abandoned these saloons or the hotel or the jail. But what hawks has done is he's more interested in exploring the emotional contours. The terrain that these characters are experiencing Which goes back to exactly what what you're saying. Sam is like how each of these people going to respond to this particular situation and it's not grand vistas but it's more where characters are positioned in a scene and how they relate to each other because back to the idea of blocking and I mean Wayne himself like just placing him in a doorway is all you need to do to emphasize that six foot four or knew that too. Yeah Yeah it's it's the use of Wayne is a figure but the six foot four inch frame But then even what hawks does in my rifle my pony and me where he creates if you look at that. One shot this triangle of solidarity. Now you're right Sam. They're individually in a good place but collectively things are looking pretty bad right. The ODDS ARE AGAINST THEM. But what do they do in? This goes back to the the laconic sort of laid back atmosphere of this movie. They're all in it together and they know that so they can afford to sing this song together and you can see. There's this triangle where you have dude in the back stumping the left right in Colorado and the right and it's just connecting them in this in this bonded they have so it doesn't really matter what's going on outside. It doesn't really matter where this is going to end. It May and the worst way it could but they have each other in this song in this triangle. For this moment. And that's it's all in the music but it's the composition trade. I think we're trained by all kinds of western before and since two just sort of wait for the or one of these characters is going to get killed suddenly tragically but it's like this film just just is not interested in that kind of movie and and to your point. It's the Hawks Westerns again. He didn't make that many. That really do take advantage of more of what you would maybe consider the John Ford realm of sort of visual filmmaking in the in the West in Red River nineteen forty eight a great film although they plainly Struggled with the ending and they all admitted later but The Big sky is really good too and not as well known Kirk Douglas who just passed That's a that's a really interesting western with a great musical score and We should talk about the politics to. This is a direct response to high noon. Nineteen fifty to a film. That Wayne in particular and hawks to hated hated it. You know left wing Commie. Collectivism liberal be s You know really really in a great book Greenwich Glenn. Frankly because his name is wrote a book about high noon on the blacklist and all the issues. We're going on in the making the writing and the making of it but hawks and Wayne just. Oh No you know. What kind of Lily livered? Sheriff runs around looking for help you know is if you. WanNa take it out of the political realm and just sort of in a belligerent personal route. We'RE GONNA make we're going to do a western about guys who don't actively dissuade the help from you know we're GonNa take care of this problem and that the funny thing is that they don't really turn it into one of these granite fisted. Revenge driven Westerns. It's such a relaxed. David Thomson the critic said You know. Is there a fifties film? That's this free of any strain of any kind. You know even to the point of really even crank in the plot in ways that audiences and fifty nine. We're used to in twenty hundred film. I mean Wayne was sort of unabashed about hating high noon for the reasons. You said hawks. You don't see a lot of politics in his films ever and really the point for him. It's the preoccupation the central preoccupation with his work it certainly in only angels have wings. Is this idea of professionalism. And what he couldn't abide was watching a movie like high noon. Where Gary Cooper is the Marshall? It's his job to stand up to the bad guys even if they outnumber him even if they're tougher than him that's his job and yet he spends the whole movie running around asking everybody in town for help at the end. It's his wife who has to bail them out to. Which hawks couldn't stand right but he couldn't stand this idea of the sheriff not being able to do his job so he puts John Wayne in a position where even early in the film right where it's now his job to go arrest Joe Burnett. Even though he's been hitting the head he's bleeding he's gonNA walk into a bar where he's clearly going to be outnumbered and you know what that's his job. He's he's going to take his chances. And that's that's the way it doesn't. I had forgotten about this part there. There really is a direct response or a direct comment on high noon in this film. Which is the whole part with the wheeler character? Where he hears that PAT is going around town trying to drum up help for him. Just like will cain does and high noon and what does he do he goes up and tells them you. GotTa stop doing this. He says he would rather have basically no help at all than a bunch of well-meaning amateurs right which which is is so crucial to this idea of if if it's not if it's not what you do and if you're not good enough if you're not willing to put on the line then he has no use for you. You mentioned chance getting hit in the head and that brings me back to what I was thinking with due to dude him twice in this film and he still there for him right. He's still creating that space. Can we talk about feathers? Yeah Angie Dickinson because one of the questions that I think it was Timothy. Sudden check might be here But emailed saying you know. I'm not really into a listener emailed about this. I'm not really into John Wayne. I need to get around to John. Wayne. I think one of the great things about Rio Bravo is that it provides us a sense of why he was this figure of authority And it also undermines that in a couple of ways he's terrified of her feathers the key to undermine him from the right from the bloomers that she show you know that when that scene comes in and she calls him on that and when she begins flirting with him and makes him completely uncomfortable and just pushes it. I don't know where are you on feather so I I think she's incredible and I but I I think to your point it's like Wayne is a completely in charge the entire time. He never seems completely flustered. He always seems to know how to handle everybody until until feathers comes along and that's sort of why she's there again. It's like Hawks preoccupation. I think you talked about professionalism. But you know it's about character that's the pleasure is just like watching these. You know watching these characters interact and how you know. What is the essence of their characters? And I think yeah with the feathers job in there is to make him uncomfortable to to you know if everyone else has their their huge obstacle to face feathers and Stompie Dude when here. He's out of his element is when she comes along and I think too. She's also fits into the grander scheme of making a choice at some point. Because are you going to stand on the side of? What is justice or are you? You're not quite sure. Why is she showing interest in chance at the beginning? She might just be placing her best bet in that situation. What we learn is that she could take the you know the carriage. Outta town or maybe she sticks with this guy. He's the sheriff he seems to know what's going on. Or is there some genuine affection and there may be at develops but she has to make that choice. That Colorado makes that stompie seems to have made decades ago and that dude is making throughout the film repeatedly whether or not he's GonNa stick with this at odds likely not going to succeed but the right place to be in that choice too I think. Yeah I I mean I I. It's not the film is not you know the film. God's gift to feminism. I mean it's you know it's she. She doesn't ever compromise who she is an individual. She doesn't compromise. I will say this. So here's the here's the issue for me in on an issue is just simply look. We're watching this film from from how what sixty sixty one years sixty one years later every film and this is why teaching film which. I do a little undecided. is is. It's a very interesting time to be doing it because you can. Everything is is now especially thanks to the last two three years every watch everything more critically and in a different way and it probably in a more interesting contradictory way and it's it's we have to be. We all have to learn how to have several opposing views on things. We love in different directions. That's just the way it is but if you just look at the Hawk stuff this film you know. I wouldn't call what John Wayne and Angie Dickinson have in this film sexual tension is just simply kind of A. You know it's an innocent sexuality that does absolutely Kind of infantilized. John Wayne I think a little bit. You know. Because she's the only one the score in this thing but if you go back to earlier hawks films It's a very different story. With only angels have wings means just because the stars aren't so radically different in age To have an age a pretty good age spread between Bogart and bacall but that film just has a different thing going on. It's those relationships are a little more. I think like amazing to me now largely because of the performances. This film is amazing to me for other reasons. Just it's about in a funny way. Even it was a response to high noon which was like the tail of You. Know like trying to get collective together to fight a common enemy This is really such a collectivist. Hang out you know the movie that just really honors and enjoys every one of the performance. I think now some of it is a bumping up against you know. The year was made in. The kind of movie was trying to be. And it's not. It's not the kind of western that wins awards. This didn't get a single nomination. I think for me. It's not the you know that. Their relationship is romantic at all. Or has even any real fizz to it coming from his direction. It's all coming. I mean he could be a tree. He could be a trunk. Would matter. It's Angie Dickinson. But what's interesting about? It is how she is undermining the Wayne Myth throughout this movie While there are other portions of the movie that hold that up and I think that tension. That's really interesting in terms of in terms of Angie Dickson. Kind of ends as soon as she has that big early blowout with Wayne. It's just like she said what she has to say. She's here on her own terms and then the rest of it is just a sort of serve. This will you realize about twenty thirty minutes in right that Who saw for the first time here? Okay for me you know. Spend fifteen twenty years since I've seen it And it was great to see a not in Panin skin. You know I think was the last time I saw it on television. You know just sort of like It's like around. Everybody has variations on their theme over and over and over and had been in a film about waiting. You know this is how we're going to spend the time and that's a hell of a lot of pleasure in it if it's working for you and we'll find out if it's working for we were talking about these characters and their actions and their sort of professionalism and I guess it is kind of her profession. I love the touch that in that first confrontation that first real meeting between them. He says that what she could do was she could stop playing cards and she could stop wearing feathers and she says that's what I do. I play cards and I wear feathers. And she's not going to stop doing that right. And even a throwaway line Walter. Brennan makes the most out of every moment. He has in the film but when he's even talking about Jober debt and he jokes with him about the fact that he fixed up his bruises right and he says he'd like them to have a few more scars next time. Maybe I won't do. It says well no. Of course I'll do it. I'm a pro. That's his job. His job as the jailer is to keep an eye on them. Make sure you know what he may not like them. They may be bad guys. But that's partly as jobs to make sure that they're well taken care of this is a movie about about a guy named stumping. I'm sorry that's that's the only they might just sit. There is a great sort of a Walter Brennan I. Don't remember the details. Maybe somebody does out here but I don't know what movie was on. Let's say it was a four. I don't know if it was John. John Ford was talking between takes and Canine on this scene. You'RE GONNA have to do this. And this and this and I think what what the guys feeling here is. All listen. Brennan is like and He's done. He says he says inner out is. What do you mean the teeth men? You want them out and half his career. He's got teeth. The other half notice that was that was deep psychological. Probing as Walter Brennan and want to get into. This is actually the same deal. Josh and I made when he joined the show teeth or not. It's his choice. It's fine yeah. I've kept them in captain so any we do have some other business to give it more than eight minutes. I think we did OK. Here's Sam any other closing thoughts any surprises this time. If it'd been awhile since you've seen the movie anything that's honestly there. Okay the revelation for me. Just how damn good Dean Martin is. Oh so good really good really good. And there's a guy I mean I mean. Everyone is in their sweet spot. We'll even ricky Nelson a sweet spot. He's doing the best he can under the circumstances but but Until he gets the song but Mar Martin just had there wasn't a speck of performance hesitance or self consciousness. He was the most rolled out of bed. And did it. You know and that's how it looks and it's so again you're you're seeing variations on this theme over and over and over in the in the performance has to be that good or or or that one demon that's plaguing plaguing this character is. GonNa just exhaust itself and you know we've half hour in but it's I find him. You know work. He was doing and some came running before for Minelli. Was I mean that's Bama's Gr- I mean if you look at what like good good darnall? The other cages cinema folks liked about American movies. It was all Dean Martin right around this time you know. So it's he's to me. He's the the the X. factor here all right. Well I guess that's going to close out our Rio Bravo chat. Hope you guys enjoyed it. Thank you hanging out with us and the movie. Where's where's your guitar? I know I was strumming it earlier. Today it was not hard to figure out my rifle my pony and needs to. Gordon's so I could have pulled it off but I don't think that Michael knows how to play the harmonica though so I didn't WanNa put you in a bad position. Oh No I don't dance. I mean frankly we just spend the next ten or fifteen minutes doing Walter Brennan off. I'd be fine without really stumped me off. I don't see how everyone so. Okay so Palooza. It may happen after the show so we did want to take a moment to acknowledge some other members of the film spotting family. Who are here. Some of you got to chat with them earlier and they're awesome and we're just pleased that they came out in the they've been a part of our family over the past fifteen years or so and doing credible job hosting their own. Podcast THE NEXT PICTURE SHOW. Tasha Robinson is here. Scott Tobias Keith Phipps. Where right you guys can they stand out? Can we go Scott Fees Tasha right there? Thanks guys I'M NOT GONNA ask them to stand out because Sarah will kill me but actual film spotting family members are here as well. We've got the. We've got the wives of film spotting who somehow tolerate. Us doing the show every week for fifteen years. What did we? What are we saying? You didn't have a wife when the show started you. Have you been in fact up here? I'm Sam Haugen. Yeah it's really true. Yeah you change your name. You Got Married so Sarah's here Debbie's here carries here. We have some kids here at emir here. My daughter Sophie so yeah so I was nine months old when the show started and she's a sophomore in high school. Now so that's dating dating myself in a major way but I'm glad they made it out. We've got some other people who the show you saw tyler earlier but Golden Joe too so over here producer helped us on the WBZ front since two thousand six I think we've been associated and affiliated with WBZ and work with Joe and it's been it's been great so with that we did want actually mention. We had a little bit. We had an announcement about our next tour date. We've got another one coming. There really is a tour. Yeah though we've only got one city to announce right now. But Tyler's working he's working makes it a tour. It does so New York. We'll be in New York City on June nineteenth Friday June nineteenth at the Bell House. If you were in the area or WANNA fly out to New York City. We're excited about that. If you're a petri on family member if you support us on Patriot patron dot com slash slotting. Anybody sign up awesome. Thank thank you. Thank you very much you you get early access to those tickets. So hopefully. We'll have some New York area listeners. That will want to partake in that. We also were pleased to have movie. Who's been a regular partner of the show for a decade or so be part of this event and they gave us some prize packs to give away. We've got totes with a sticker set with mittens with a flip book and the book includes a code to give you a free year subscription to movie which is a curated streaming service showing exceptional films from. Really Awesome. Yeah it's a great great platform so we are going to give those away. Tyler's got them over there. This is how we're GONNA do it. I mean this has all been rigged. Actually I have to just. I've just say this has been rigged because we had attendees we gave them the chance to email us Some questions and we picked a few of them. And I think we've got a microphone. Do we have a microphone? We're going to be able to go. Tyler can help with that as well. Hopefully and we picked a few of these questions. And we'RE GONNA start with Mark Kozak mark. Where yet marks way in the bath? Course come on come on up. Yup I guess first of all congrats on fifteen years. Thanks very much mark. Hopefully fifteen more coming The most important role of a film critic is of course making an ongoing flow of ranked lists which you guys do independence. It's kind of been the core what we do yes indeed. I'm so just wanted to ask what are your some of your favorite rankings. That you've done over the last fifteen years series or lists. Yeah so rank your ranks lists please thanks we don't really know rock bottom ranking are rankings. What are you saying Josh? I think this is what we were always meant to do. So you got all right so I did rank them I have a list. Manuals is going to get an honorable mention. Michael Thank you. I mean this guy would never have done manuals so you it once and it was wonderful but also on my list. That's just an honorable mention another one. Michael you did recently. Actually Judy garland moments. And this goes back to what were your you were talking about Adam. And the INTRO The idea of discovery led before I you know started with film spotting. Judy Garland was in the wizard of us. That was An embarrassingly I'd been working as a professional film critic for years And so this was an example of really digging into we had seen her in some films here and there over the course of the years but This was a chance to really do our homework and and take in everything that she had done. Which was remarkable. And I'm so. That's one of my favorites the Chris's power rankings. Andy Mitchell is somewhere out. There came up with a bad idea and essential cinematic work ranking the Christmas. We did to just get an email from a listener. Who had recently heard that show? For the first time they're really ranking. They are demanding a ranking because they were wondering and I wouldn't even remember where I ranked this Chris. Honestly even though I liked that list to and they basically said after knives out do we feel bad about the Chris. Evans was third on our list. I think he's pushing at this point. Okay so I think we need. I think we need to Redo that all right really quickly. Here's another one we did with you. Michael A top-five movie costumes. We would wear yeah. That was fun. That was fun you know. I'm I'm near every single into the show. I know it's kind of yeah. It's really curious. Somehow you're making all yes he's like what? I did that A far more serious one but these you know when someone of stature passes away it is a chance to really delve into their career and for Robin Williams. That was a case where we did that and went back and I got to watch some of his stand up for the first time And that was very rewarding list. And then one more here. Sam You're on this one non kids movies to show your kids. Rio Bravo on my radio. Bravo was on your list. So it all comes around. I love doing that one so the only approval. I need actually when I do a show especially top five list though. Is Sam having something positive to say about it? I mean really at the end of the day. He's he's the only Guy Caravan here. That's what I need. So as the person who certainly has been responsible for actually making these top five's sound professional adding the elements that you add to them cutting out. I'm sure lots of inane things that we say. Have you had any that? Stand out to Josh's point it is it is the Robin Williams is the Philip Seymour. Hoffman's and it just because they're emotional. Assemble but the one that really got me that we got to do that. Wasn't that was spike Lee Spike Lee scenes. It was like we're doing images almost shot so granular and yeah because it was about like this is this is. This is a filmmaker who's at the height of his powers who has many years ahead of him. You Know God bless And it's we're not. We're not doing this just because you know we won't see anymore. So that was I remember really that really striking me But also the things that are really fun to assemble. Are something like when we had Steven Hyden on for the top. Five classic rock scenes in movies or something like that. Just just a huge amount of fun to produce and Those the ones out well. I wasn't joking. I ranked them so. I've got my top five top fives. I'm not above some navel-gazing so in classic me fashion. I have a cheat in a tie at number five so yeah. I know it's shocking right so I think for me. Everyone honestly great great choices. I agree with all of those in thought of a few of them but for me the the ones I think I like the most are the ones that get me out of my comfort zone. A little bit where it's not just about looking at something you can kind of easily define you know. It's a certain shots by certain. Filmmaker is rewarding. That was or. We're talking about our favorite films within a certain genre. And you're kind of checking some different boxes. It's the ones that end up being a little bit more personal. And you gotta get creative with them. So at number five actually. Our first live show ever was Episode Number Four hundred and we did the top five things we learned from the movies and then I'm pairing that with episode six ninety four the top five things we learned from podcast about the movies it was that was in celebration of our seven hundred episode. Jane Chen came on. And that was obviously a prolific podcast. And that was really interesting to to kind of share those memories with him and talk about just the medium podcasting and what we've learned as as critics and release people since we started doing the show number. Six eighty is my number four top five to real parenting moments when you see yourself in those those moments onscreen when maybe parents aren't at their best another anniversary show number six hundred with Chuck Close Germen top-five Movies Future. Historians will remember even though I don't look back on this one. I'm not particularly proud of my picks. I think it's a case where there the criteria and the topic itself was so interesting that I could not match in any way. What Chuck close term and did with his left and of course. He's the guy who came up with the topic so I suppose that should probably be the case. But it's when I think about just the thrill of having him on and kind of doing a topic as crazy as that number six seventy eight film. Spotting avengers was that it had top five for an game or it was another Andy Mitchell. I mean it was. It was a superhero movie. Had come out so kind of looking at our. At our favorite our favourite people in film it could be critics could be actors it could be cinematographers directors. Whatever it is and but thinking about and this this I think what I'm proud with this list. More praise for Sam is that I approached it the way Sam used to approach list. Sometimes I'd say wow. I didn't do that much at all like I didn't. I didn't put that much creativity into this one. I did where I thought about it. Actually in terms of how they would function as a unit if they actually were fighting crime or something. Solving the world's Manuel. I gave her a give all I give them their own superpower so anyway it was awesome pat myself on the back and then come on episode four ninety one top five movie tattoos. We'd guess those which which. We still have not gotten any of these. This is where Adam takes off his shirt and shows around some day. If I resent their number one it's GonNa go from here to like your ankles. Yeah no it hasn't happened so we've got a rowdy crowd tonight guys. That means time. Get the wrong theater. That's it so let's go to our next question Ryan Thompson from Chicago. I guess I wasn't the only one to ask. What your top five top fives. We're exactly we did hear that quite a bit but you had a few good ones. Probably we pick the easiest one but I don't know Yeah first of all. Thanks for putting this together. Loved the film and great to see down on film speaking film shameless plug for the theater. I love so much. They've got a got a seventy millimeter film festival coming up in March. I know you guys have attended in the past and talked about on the show wondering what you guys are looking forward to this year. Yes I like this question because it gives them more love to this great theater. The music box and the seventy millimeter film festival is a thrill of every year. When it's here and Michael Films. Have you looked at the lineup? That job out too. Yeah there's a lot of a lot just sex in that I've heard from at least one of the folks who work here that the print of Hello Dolly which is Filling up and shown the festival in the past is apparently like pristine unbelievable like it just opened in sixty nine kind of beautiful so whatever one thinks of the film We'll see it in the best possible way. You can possibly see it in the century Nice. That's a nice thing to say. I mean I've never seen Khartoum in my life who sink in the nineteen sixty six. And that's that's one that's just like. Wow that's really there's A. There's a finite list of a few dozen movies out there that qualify for a festival like this and they're some of the prince very hard to get and sometimes the studios circulate more easily than others. I mean it took him forever to get Disney cough up sleeping beauty. I mean like years and years and that was something to see that here with literally not a seat empty and but in terms of blowups to the seventy millimeter blow ups. They show there's a lot of that. And I never seen the untouchables. Diplomacy untouchables in any kind of seventy format. And that's the director. Who really knows how to fill out a wide screen. Even if he didn't shoot seventy and so just personally as Chicago and looking at one of the quintessential Chicago movies on a big screen. I Really WanNa you know I really. I'm I'm eager to see that. So yeah that's that's I'll be here at least four times. Yeah Hello Dolly is tempting I I suffered for a couple years ago just at home and wasn't wild about the movie but is in terms of the expansiveness. I would be tempted to give it another shot on seventy millimeter. I'M GONNA have to consult. It's been a family tradition. To Go to the seventy millimeter fest. Every year for the last three or four. So I'M GONNA probably propose interstellar just because yeah. Yeah absolutely absolutely You know I don't think Airline and Beatrix daughters have seen and I probably underrated. It's the one Nolan. I'm just not totally sold about so I'd like to see it again. And I don't know so might be held. Allier might be interstellar westside who's seen west side story here in the print given that that that view to that ca cat is definitely going to see west. Yeah Sam you're probably not going to make our commute but I wanNA shout out Tasha Robinson because when this was being announced. Tasha pointed out lifeforce. Toby Hooper's lifeforce which I think is good screening. Which is I bring it up. Because it's the movie I saw looking backwards out the back window of my car to drive in when I was supposed to be watching the goonies so I. I have an unusual relationship with that movie. It's just sort of haunted me and so I have no idea really what movie's about. I've never seen it other than in that scenario so ruin the memory serum Tasha. What did you say about it? Do you have this amazing recall crisp naked lady vampire. You know picturing like old you eight. Oh Yeah right window. I remember that I turned around just as Chris peered. And this is what seared into my memory. So three hour commute doesn't sound so bad against the seventy millimeter fest. So like Josh to bring the kids to see some of these great films on the big screen and Holden and Sophie. And I have done west side story we've done interstellar and we've done two thousand and one which they both loved so I got smart kids. I'm just bragging about my kids. But I'm with you. Michael I think the untouchables of the one that just seems like I mean a Chicago the ultimate Chicago film may be seeing it the ultimate Chicago Theater. The blow up this you know more than we want to get into the whole idea of blowing up the print to to fit this format can lead to some good results and some others like ghostbusters in seventy blow up. I don't know I mean it's not that it's not that doesn't the comedy you know and and that film actually struggles with its with having enough comedy in any way but you know you have to look for the directors that can can like like hawks even if he's not filming vistas you know and Money Midvale you know people who know how to just sort of you know. Energize even small encounters on the redskins. I think diploma had that. I think I mean there's a shot in the touchable. 's that's got the best sort of flourish of any more coney music and all it is is cost nerve. Sean Connery Andy Garcia. And Charlie Smith walking across the South Street from one side of the street to the other. And that's it. It's just thirty seconds of four guys walking across the street. And it's like I saw it and I just wept tears. Because it's like you know it's it's old it's filmmaking before digital just before digital. It's big budget big studio filmmaking that they got dozens of period perfect cars. And and you know the the guy who actually knew how to move a camera up and down and then in all without cutting and yeah I mean. That's why I wanted to see it here. More information about that music box theatre dot COM fern fern. Joseph's are you out there. Thank you so my question is when you watch a movie. I'm curious what techniques you use as you're watching a movie especially one that you're going to know you're going to discuss our review so that you remember the things that you need to remember as I find when I listen to you or read your reviews you mentioned like a line or seen and I've seen the movie but I don't remember it so I guess it's for me to Enhance instead of just watching a movie for entertainment to watch it more as a from a critical standpoint. So I'm curious if you take what what techniques you use. I will admit I wanted to make sure thank you for the question that this one was included because I wanted to hear what the Professionals Josh and Michael had to say. So hopefully I would. I would learn something so guys as as people who have had to several times regularly turnaround things on on deadline and process movies fairly quickly and prepare sometimes to talk about it for thirty minutes. Plus on the show any tips and secrets. It's different if you watched movies different for in different ways and you can't expect to try to take the same sort of notes or or even or even watch a film to films the same way in the same week. It's just not. This is hopeless. Answer but you know you're not you're not trying to watch it devoid of the entertainment value. Because that's psychotic with the film like this this film resists while we just saw tonight. Rio Bravo it to to. I guess it's really more dislike giving it a fair shake. What kind of film was trying to be? And how well did it pull it off? You don't want to put a film Rio Bravo up against the important motion picture or serious message. Laden Western Yardstick. It's it's not fair. It's not there. They were not interested. So okay how was it? How was it as is and you know. Does it work for you this week? I think this is the girth. I'll okay I'll tone the show up for just a second Johan Gertrude. Had he was also wrote some literary criticism at the time. He's running faust I think and he had three precepts that actually. Kinda hold up. What was the artist trying to accomplish? How well do the artist accomplish it? And this is where the critic comes in. Was it worth accomplishing? And so that is the successor. Failure is that's easy and usually that's reductive and kind of the. That's not opening any critical windows. It's just sort of shutting things down but was it worth accomplishing. That makes that makes all of us sort of figure out. Okay why why did I have that reaction why? Why is the most important word? That's it because then you can get to the details. That's a great philosophical answer. You are a prolific notetaker though. So how do you pull it off because I sit next to him? Sometimes in screenings I could show you my notes from Rio Bravo that we just watch. It's about it's like ten scribbles on page that I didn't even look at it up here because I take me an hour to try to process what I wrote down somehow says the guy who just put that down to to to nicely type. I haven't looked at The unfortunate thing is I can Because my handwriting I can read about eight percent of what I've written at the end of the so. That doesn't really help me out. I think for your question is sort of a variation which I I do get a lot of. Do you ever watch a movie student joy it or do you ever watch a movie? Just have fun and I think probably for a lot of us in that room. That's a somewhat of a false distinction because pain as close of attention as it requires to really receive. A movie is fun. And that's maybe what distinguishes people who are obsessive about movies from those who enjoy it and it's not saying one is doing it right. One's doing it wrong. It's just a different way of experiencing film and the only other thing I would add to that is I think it's always helpful to let the film speak first and that means don't come into it ties a little bit Michael. With what you're talking about is like comparing it to lake is. How does this western? Obviously this is something. We're all going to do when we get back and start processing but when you're in the theater don't worry so much about How it compares to this directors other works or how compared to other westerns all that stuff is good stuff to explore later but when you sit down shut up and let the movie show you what it wants to show you and then you'll start processing from there. They kind of trust yourself to have an interesting response to the movie. Trust yourself to be engaged in As I was thinking about this question you know earlier I was just like you know. Watch a movie twice back to back kind of if you want to train yourself to see things because yeah it's it's hard but also what I realized as I was watching Rio Bravo. Is that the best way to pay attention. To details is no that you're GONNA have to get in front of a couple of hundred people and true talk about the movie so if you could engineer that You know having to like you know when you soon as you're done watching this movie you're going to have to talk about it and that speaks to the two films by listeners. Like you're you know you're speaking to a group who have paid that close and so you're going to hear back if you haven't done the phone justice not a matter of opinion but an attention maybe appropriate. Then we're going to get to one more listener question that is going to make us think really profoundly so no pressure there. D Henriksen Chicago. Where yet Davey right there? Thanks guys and thanks for a great screening and really the best podcast out there. Thank you so my question is if you had to pick one filmmaker. He reflects your spiritual worldview in the broadest sense of the word spiritual. Who WOULD THAT BE? Who wants to go I? I'm not going to be able to expound but I had a quick answer so I'll just get it over with Agnes Varda. You need your dog. After her true story game over drop the MIC. But for me I mean what? A discovery through film spotting marathons And it was her. It's her it's her compassion. It's her empathy. It's her ability to experiment with every film and find a way through it but also you know somebody who has a persona I think she became almost whimsical figure. But talk about somebody who is not afraid to look at really dark bleak stuff And find real humanity and empathy in that but just the the endless creativity and curiosity above all. I mean that to me is that's spirituality is curiosity and that's what this is all about. So that's the word that came to my curiosity for sure and especially as You know the hard stuff. Her documentaries the last couple of documentaries just how they looked at her own aging and mortality was the lines on her hand. Yes yeah just training in on that Quick PLUG WE I. I lead last couple of years. I've led the Ebert Interruptus at the Conference on World Affairs at University of Colorado Boulder. We're doing cleo from five to seven awesome so we'll be digging into Vardar for a week straight So for me you know. There's you know terrence malick is someone I it's almost. It's too easy of an answer Because his understanding it's it's a deeply Christian understanding of the world as both beautiful and broken and his films have a A hope within them as well of how things might be restored to beauty That's just really powerful for me and Done in a way that's not didactic at all. Done in a way that he's been able to get away with it for decades without people really noticing it otherwise. I don't think he would've been as widely revered as he is. But that's kind of too easy of an answer for me so I'm GonNa say the real answer is probably Andrei Tarkovsky and I'm going to say that because I think as I've gotten older I'm more comfortable when it comes to questions like this with the mystery than the answers and Kofsky others will argue is also a deeply Christian filmmaker. But I have no idea what's going on and it's But there's something going on in his movies and there's something deeply searching and true so we're talking Solarz stocker nostalgia sacrifice and others. I have still yet to see so. I think it's the the journey that his movies offer that. Maybe I resonate with Tarkovsky my SORTA PIT. The answer to this is that Varda is the filmmakers worldview. I want I aspire to in terms of everything you said. The empathy the compassion the curiosity the creativity that. That's that's the pinnacle I think more realistically. It's probably my favorite filmmakers. Which are the COEN brothers? Where they're just. It's a chaotic world. They're just looking for reason and rationality and trying to establish order. They they just WanNa make sense of man you know. And that's I think that's part of the reason I go to the movies. I'm just trying to make sense of it. So Cohen Brothers. Probably who I really am but Varda's who I wish I could be. It was such a a Agnes Varda a couple years before she died. And that was that was assist you. That's why you feel like a lucky. Sob in this line of work. If you just happen to get forty forty five minutes with somebody like that just to just to hear. What'S ON THEIR MIND? You know honestly. I think somebody like Howard. Hawks is as good as anybody for me. I. It's I mean I love and some Anneli probably a little more just because there's something about I mean. I love the musical for more than a lot of genres in Minelli. Most of the musicals. I love the best but I think there's something about in of old. Holly you know of old Hollywood where it just. He's the guy that unassuming is right and you can just learned so much about just how to film to people talking watching these scenes even just a simple to shot that's done on a diagonal that isn't really like a typical over the shoulder thing. It's really a we actually have two great faces in the same frame talking to each other listening. And that's what makes you know when it comes down to it. So much of the movies is just about two people were were talking and I. I love the way hawks just flitted around genres and never really never really I really I really love the kind of his ability to make you take things seriously but the films are very self effacing and kind of laugh at Over interpreting them. You know I don't know I just love I just love. You can learn so much from kraft in a little bit about the human condition. I think from them. You know it's There's there's more important filmmakers by the by the dozens Bergman Tarkovsky. I mean my favorite guy probably alive now is the Turkish Director Nouri Bill Gates. Jalen that they don't even like Turkey you know but so he's not like you know is a is a global influence. I don't care I love him. So if you haven't seen any JALEN check it out but that's that's all we go with. That's what we want. Well Michael Praising two people talking might be the best note to end this night on as it's been you know thinking about going back to segue thank you ago and what this was all about and honestly for Santa Me. There were certainly no ambitions that in fifteen years we'd be sitting here at the music box that we would still be doing the show that we would have people like Michael like Tasha like Scott and Keith. Who WERE PEOPLE? We looked up to and admired that they would be here and be part of this would be champions of the show and colleagues so We're really I don't know what else. Except we're we're grateful and humbled and we appreciate everybody coming out tonight and see. What else do we need to add? Here we just close it out. You're the producer produce this conversation. One thousand one clip. We do want to say real quick. Thanks to Tyler. 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Horse Girl (ft. Richard Lawson)

I'm Obsessed With This

34:46 min | 6 months ago

Horse Girl (ft. Richard Lawson)

"I'm obsessed with this. The NETFLIX podcast about the shows films viewers cannot get enough up today. I'm joined in the studio chief critic advantage fair and Co host of the amazing little Goldman podcasts Richard Lawson. Hello thank you for coming in today in the stream you you are. You were just in. La weren't you the talk about the Stream? Yeah I was there for the Oscars Was obviously for our podcast which talks a lot about award seasons both emmys and You know movie awards. Yeah it was a big weekend for us and it all went pretty well especially with you know the big the big winner. That's good and your best friends with Laura dern Renee Zellweger now here. Yeah we when they've been sleeping on in my apartment for a while because you know there's between homes but I think now that they are Oscar whereas I think yeah so you're GonNa see them next time you're in La. Yeah yes. Yeah Yeah. It's really nice. They're so sweet. One of them is going to get like a guest house. I think I'll just do the whole thing. That's really nice today. We're here to talk about all kinds of things. The Oscars which we already started Netflix. Original Films Not Netflix original films. Maybe we might even talk about Kate. Hudson ca a your. I wonder if your listeners will know that that particular solution of of ours. I wanted to start with kind of a high level question Because you watch movies for living Barkley It is one of the things I was talking to someone today. there was a tweet that was kind of an annoying tweet where some of their was someone who is kind of making fun of their mother by hosting text with her a She doesn't even know what I do and I was thinking. I don't even know what half of my friends do. Not Fair enough even if I know their job. Titles where they work. I couldn't give you any sense of what their day to day. Everyone is Chandler. Bing to you. Yeah exactly yeah and so but with you. It's like I know I can understand. What your job is you watch things. You write criticism of those things. You provide commentary on cultural things. It's very understandable. Good so job. You know it's been around. It's a it's a job as old as the media in disorder. I think even they probably had critics and the ancient greatest laid just screaming in the plaza. Right there you go. You could have done that on your little robe. You know that oedipus. Rex got second place. It's year at the Dietitian thing. And what one one is lost. It's lost it was it was it was in the librarian. Yeah so you watch movies for Living. You travel a lot. You Watch things digitally you watch things on. Dvd's you watch things and watch things with big. Audience is small and says in a in an airplane. And Your Hotel. Ramon your bed in your living room. What is this is not and this is not like a net flicks loaded question like Saint Lex. What is your ideal movie going experience? Like where's your favorite place to watch him of my favorite place to watch a movie not TV shows? Because I feel like that's very separate. Yeah I mean I. I have to say an into very privileged answer. My favorite athlete has a movie is at the Cannes Film Festival. Okay because the seats are comfortable although they don't have air camping water and so that is bad but they they just make such grand sort of spectacle of the whole thing. And there's this beautiful. I think it may be on youtube but maybe someone recorded it but before every movie they don't do any advertisements like Sundance does or Toronto does. It's just the logo for the for the festival. But it's like there's a little presentation of it with this beautiful music and the the the gold logo comes up and everyone claps and you just feel like you're really about to see something very special even if the movie that follows very good but sometimes you see someone like Carol and it's like a very manageable But that is a rare finance. I think in truth my actual favorite way to see movie is mostly empty multiplex especially the ones with the nice seats now with like a big soda which is I do a probably eighty five percent diet ginger Ale ten percent real ginger ale five percent Cherry Ginger Ale and it's basically a dietary temple and it's very good. Is this a drink that you would only serve yourself like at one of those freestyle machines or would you ask someone to make that? I would never in a million years estimate because he used to work in a movie theater. The biggest selling drink back when I worked in Medina. What two thousand to Have Diet half-cup? Okay that's more reasonable number one. I am thirty six and a little sweet drink please like. I don't think that I would be literacy. You telling Frank from homeland. No no okay. So what have you been watching lately though Lately will actually. I'm in. I'm in kind of a nice rebuilding time? Because we're done with all the Oscar stuff. I never want to talk about certain of those movies ever again. But what about Art Story Richard? What about marriage during the two? Popes will of course every single day of my life for the rest of your life for life. That's just what I'm talking about I just don't want to talk about you. Know bad movies like Paris aid but So I'm I'm I'm catching up on some smaller things that from earlier this year that I missed I have to see a lot of stuff to review so I'll go see You know liked Fantasy island or Sonic the hedgehog or you know like silly things that are kind of out right now which is a nice kind of brain cleanse But in my spare time I'm I'm actually kind of catching a TV. Because what ends up happening. Between basically the fall film festivals at the end of August early September tilled Oscars. I just feel like I don't Ha- which is almost six months. I really don't have time to watch. All these great shows that people are are always talking about so There's some stuff I want to catch up on the new season of homeland starting which I'm very excited about So yeah it's kind of like this is Mike. What my rebuilding time. It Until the mention canvas would you mind? I did this another guess. If you want to do this I can completely cut demand if I look through your net flicks APP. Yeah of course so I'm holding. Richards found right now and I just went out. Look through some of the things. He's been watching recently of the categories yet. Because the thing about Netflix APP is that everyone's looks different. And I'll let you know when you go when you probably even like when you go on your boyfriend's account and it's like harshest likes it but it's like where am I like you look at someone else's and it looks like a completely different landscape And because it is it is it's so unique. He's all like sci fi shows and all these things that I never want you and then I mean aside from like you know. Everyone's being told about the Irishman writer. But it's like okay so I'm seeing at the TAB better call Saul not once in my life. Have I been told to watch better? Call Saul by Netflix. Not Willing No came and I've never seen it. You know next and fashion. I'm getting those as well. Recently added mind. Look like that to top picks for you and see if this is this is correct or not blade runner the final cut. Are you interested in this? Yeah maybe a little bit I think I I. My guess is that it's kind of a prestigious moving and that's why they're they're showing it to me but I don't know okay. Okay I am a killer is it. What is it seeing is about me. That's yeah did you watch the original episodes of IMF killer. No I couldn't do it. No no that's I don't I don't I don't know what it is and it sounds Gary Okay. I recently watched the nature series about like Earth in the darker. Whatever or life in the dark where they have all these really high tech cameras that film animals at night and like the Syrian getty at night That's a new. That netflix thing watched that recently. Okay was I good? Yeah And it's IT'S NARRATIVE ISOMER. Wiley from from black and voice. Keep it in the family. Yeah Yeah The Stranger what is the stranger one season when a stranger makes a shocking claim about his wife a family man named Adam. Price becomes entangled in a mystery as he desperately searching for answers That's probably Arlene KKOB. I was watching you. Maybe okay maybe some serial killer stuff is happening up on you as a recent catch up for me. Okay what did you think I watched the whole first season. I appreciated the craft of it. I think Penn Badgley is great. I thought she was great. I don't need to watch another episode of you know what I mean. I get what it's yeah yeah Crime TV shows. That's your first big category Does that make sense that track? Yeah it does yeah Riverdale as part of them yes really funny too dirty John. Mahat which I still have not watched yet the center the center. I watched the first season because of bill and then I haven't had a bad thing now that I'm Ed. Thanks for your continue watching Steve Jobs. Are You rewatching Steve Jobs? What a movie you know. I'm so glad you said that about your about you know well. It looks like maybe an hour and five in your sleep recently even though I love that movie but I find it comforting because the writing is just so like Sorkin and just you know easy I loved I think it's a great movie and people. That movie is interesting. I don't I've never spoken to anybody. Who's like mass fine? It's either that movie sucks or I love that movie and I? I'm glad that we're both in the. I loved it. I I saw not really really caring and it was a screening and I was like it's a free. Why not. Yeah I love it. It's very rare that Danny Boyle made it But that's the one th like. If maybe someone else had made it I would have loved it even more it would have been a little a little crisper Yuccas. The end gets a little more loosey but it even the end could have kept the exact same dialogue. Like there's something about the end that didn't have to H. It's just it's just the way he kind of choreographs at the end of it. That feels they're really trying to. That's when you're like. Please give us Oscarsson and getting one more category that I wanna go through top picks for Richard. Let's see if okay if Mr Net flicks if Laura dern dear friend Ted is getting this correct I've met by. What's is he a nice guy and him and his daughter at an Irishman Event Yesalis Nice now grace and Franky Topics Richard is that. Yeah. That's you. I'm sure that that that's you telling me to do that. It's I haven't watched the news CNN. And that's one of those shows that like I'm saving it kind of I love it. Well especially after Jane. Fonda was so amazing presenting this picture to parasite I'm like okay now. I support my girl and go watch that. I've just you on Youtube like whatever clip for ten hours. It's like ten hours of so and so doing this when it's just the repeater. Peter beat it. I would love to do Jane Fonda Holes for ten hours before sank parasite and the Oscar goes to and that is ten hours. And then she's Arizona and I came back from Oscar like full like just soaked in champagne at two thirty in the morning and I watched her say that like four times before going to bed parasite parasite so good American assassin. Is that the one with Dylan. O'brien it's the woman. I saw that I didn't end up reviewing it but I did go to a press warning of it. I have a little crush on him. It also really wants you to watch booty call. Well I mean. I wrote directed it so this which is pretty funny. I know I have funny. Booty call story though having not seen it site a remain one of my best friend from college we we were. We moved to New York together essentially anyway for years. I would talk to her about the movie boogie nights and be like it's so good and she had never seen it and I was like it's just like that got Oscar nominations house like gala and then when we were maybe twenty eight twenty nine. She finally realized that the whole time since nineteen ninety seven that people had been saying what a good movie boogie nights was. Because it would happen when she was like you mean Jamie Fox and it was like what no. He's not in Boogie nights and then finally she was. I was like do you mean booty for thirteen years as she had been thinking that Boogie nights was did she finally watch boogie nights had she seen boogie nights and thought it was something else that you thought? I don't know about that. I don't think she had not seen either and they just melted in her brain and for years she would be horrified or Hora just really surprised. That people spoke about booty call. I mean what she thought was booty call in such A. You know I mean reverential wet. It's worth it's worth being horrified. Because Net flicks wisely changed the cover art to just a photo of Jamie Fox on the ninety because the the booty call posters comically a booty too. Yeah which is sort of a triumph of graphic design in its way but it's also the sort of thing that maybe especially if you were a woman you raise your eyebrows. Do I really want to watch this acclaimed film our friend. Patrick Design that booty. That's good thank you. I I hate doing that. I did that someone else. And it feels like such an invasion of privacy to hold someone's phone but also go through things that are specifically recommended to them. It's like I'm reading like your horoscope. Something you what I tend to watch. I'm just seeing now. Is I watch a lot of stand up comedy. Okay and screaming and Comedians. In cars getting coffee is that sort of like A. Is that sort of like Zad in your head in the night trying to go to bed. Like I've I've I've seen probably a solid half of most comedy specials on afflicts because I'm asleep by the pretty pretty prop thank you prop. I have a lap a laptop next to me in bed but that's only when I'm sleeping alone and then otherwise but like do you. Do you ever feel like roll under the laptop. Oh worries sleep but now I bet I've broken my computer twice by kicking it out of bed or like rolling on her but the living situation is changing soon as I think that that I'll have to come up with a new solution. Get One of those yet like a tray the attic and just sort of 'cause like Andrew likes to watch something before but he has to be something seen before so it's not like he can go to sleep and I'll be watching something you know so like accomplished we'll figure it out figure it out again changing gears really quickly. Let's Gallup over to horse girl. You watched it yesterday. Yeah Yeah it was at Sundance but I knew that it was going to be on Netflix. Pretty soon after the festival so I didn't I decided to wait. I'm glad I did. I think the context of watching it kind of just like in my little you know home. Cocoon was better than getting in line for an hour. You know that builds up a lot of expectation. Anything corporal for his expansive as it's kind of psychological portraiture is is kind of a small movie. I don't mean that to pejoratively at all Although it is kind of centered with this incredible algebra formats yeah And I know it's based partly on her own experience so yes she is. I don't really know her career all that well and to be Frank. I kind of thought I didn't particularly care for her. But this was just so unexpected to me. I number. One didn't even think she was interested in doing dramatic roles like this. Well Yeah I mean. I think she's I mean she's one of those actors who got pigeonholed or or you know went on the comedy track because of community but then you know. She was doing semi dramatic madman once in a while. She's quite good on that. And then glow is sort of a mix of of tone but this is pretty much straight drama. No and also kind of like like Natalie Portman of late playing that role you know. It's kind of like fever. Drought drama layout like mental. You know Stuff and I think she's quite good at it and I always have found it thrilling. I'm not alone in this. By any means of when a kind of more comedic actor takes on something serious and I think you know. It's kind of a trait may be corny thing to say because a lot of people have said it but the comedians have a better time to drama because comedy is ultimately harder. Yeah whereas dramatic actors to try to then be funny. Snl Or in a movie doesn't always work. Yeah with horse. Girl found it interesting because when I was reading about horsecrap before seeing and nothing you know may like log line stuff like that and just like you know the consensus thing on rotten tomatoes. Everyone is called referring to it as darkly comic a comedy and I don't even think I would put that in the description. I I wouldn't call this a comedy at all. Yeah I think a lot of times especially because this movie was at Sundance and given that Alison Brazen and the director who has made comedies prior to. I believe he's married to reply so he has this kind of comedy just pardoned a partner whose name Very Cosmopolitan of them You know I think that the Sundance thing I think people were. They were like okay. It's corky comedy in the and then you start the movie and you're like okay as there. Are they going for like a Mike White Kinda like Todd Silenzi League just weird awkward lonely people kind of thing but pretty quickly? You're like oh no. There's like a real mounting sense of dread here That's I think pretty well realized but yeah it's I I don't know I guess probably just saying like this is a straight drama about mental illness. Potentially like schizophrenia. I that's a much harder sell. Though it's not going to get like you know butts and seats yeah never you present it like I think. Even the title sounds a little snide. The term refers to just those girls you knew in in our boys to probably In in grade school usually who were just upset. Everything was horses you know and and so I don't know I don't know if it's maybe life. What the title I would go with. I guess but it it I guess maybe it lures people in I was very moved by it and not necessarily disturbed but these sense of like what it feels like not necessarily because I I don't know that I can speak to the to the experience of going through that particular type of mental illness but to be an observer of it was just felt so well realized like her roommate. Kind of when you don't know what to do like like the Molly Shannon performs at the end this will have spoilers but like Molly Shannon is so caring towards her and this motherly figure in her life but whenever it actually becomes sort of difficult she was like I kind of want nothing to do with this young and I think that was what was so painful to me and sort of what I didn't. This is not the sort of a feeling that I expect it from felt horse girl. Starring Allison Brie directed by comedy. Yeah no totally. I think that it's interesting that the movie was at Sundance this year because also at Sundance was a movie. I know that you'll probably never watch Called the father with the Anthony Hopkins quite similarly movie attempts. I think successfully again having not lived through this experience knock knock on wood Of A man who is suffering from Alzheimer's and so the reality of the film keeps shifting. And you realize that like what we're seeing is dare perspective and thus not entirely reliable and. I think that both of the films do that pretty effectively. While also showing what you're talking about which is loved ones will be family or friends who are are are compassionate and caring but at a certain point. It's like there's a there's a sort of toxic gravity to you. You know what people in that condition? Unfortunately obviously there are selfless tireless. People who just you know help no matter what but Yeah both films are Kinda. I walked out of the father at Sundance and I was like. Oh that's a horror movie and I think this kind of is a horror movie too. I hate providing commentary like this when I can't think of an actual example of it right but I feel like a lesser movie would have not necessarily wrapped it up in a nice little bow at the end but sort of made. It seem like things are going to be. Okay at least yeah and this movie does not send you with that message at the end like it's not it's in no way optimistic about her future. No it's not a happy ending but it's not I mean it's not nihilistic I think an important thing I should've caveat of this with you know by calling it a hormone is is not a movie that I don't think stigmatizes mental illness. I don't think it is Exploiting it or manipulative about it. I think it's a has fantastical elements to it on. Maybe that might be to some who are suffering from mental illness. Like that might maybe offensive. I I don't know I don't really know enough about that kind of language to relate to say but but no I think I think that it it it reaches an ending. That's also in some senses the beginning where like you said. She is at least cognizant of her condition and and it's sort of like okay. What's what's the next thing that happens and it's not it's never going to be a neat tidy resolve and appreciate that the movie doesn't you know do like one year later and she's fine you know and it's like she's like looking in the mirror. Taking your medication is like another day every playing. Yeah I promise I am not GonNa break your heart but moving onto something on something a little less. Yeah dreary you watched to all the boys to I do all the boys yet ought to boys to all to to all it's good. It's good I have to be honest. I I. I enjoy the first one but I think my enjoyment of it In no way matched the phenomenon that it was. I mean people went really crazy. I don't know if I can't I can't I don't know if I can spare on But I think people just meant so. H It for that movie In a way that I was like okay like I it sweet it. You know. It's it's it feels familiar Despite you know you know certain kind of differences you haven't been in high school on what four years five years before in June. Yeah which is crazy. I graduated from thirty But I you know I can understand the nose into neo. I think condors great But it just latch onto me but anyway I saw this one because I wanted to review it for work because again it's such a phenomenon. This whole thing is going to be a third movie. They've already filmed. I believe and I really liked this one. I thought it was What I really appreciated about it is because it's kind of the empire strikes back of the trilogy. It can be a little darker in a way. It's not I mean. Don't worry people listening to us. It's not you know it's not horse girl but it is. It's about kind of what happens. After this happy coupling you know like the movie begins and dating and she feels really insecure about his dating passed in his. You know who he is at school and and then maybe another boy enters the picture and and and and. I think it's just done very real lick realistically about like what the psychology of a teenager. Who is kind of chasing a lot of wants at once that some of which contradict each other While still being everyone in the movies a decent person I really appreciate that as well And it looks great at Noah's into neo you know is cute of course and has that whole mark Ruffalo thing going on. That's quite Winning but also the new boy Jordan Fisher the new boy leave currently on Broadway Endearment Hanson. He's great to and you know they set like opposing love interest and one of them. You're just like well. Obviously not that one. Yeah this is not of. It was always a the business guy this guy and then the the good natured carpenter or whatever. Yeah right and like in this. When you're like oh no I can definitely see the the the. They're they're distinct enough in that like you know she goes with Peter. It's one thing if she goes with John NBA's it's another kind of life. I mean life. It's another kind of split semester school. Basically maybe the summer but like both have their appeal anyway so I thought it was. I thought it was Nice. And it made me look forward to third. Do you feel like any sort of I. DuNno guilt or shame for being a thirty something. Who enjoys these waie movies? Or do you think there is a universality and their appeal. I think I used when I was in my twenties a million years ago I worked at Gawker and I wrote something I think in high school musical three came out and about like why sort of it was into like teen fiction. I ended up writing a young adult novel. At the time I was just basically I was like barely. Outta my teens. I was like twenty five or something now that I'm ten plus years older. I do feel a little bit weirder than I used to like. I wrote about when I reviewed love Simon and it was like how to talk about this. I ended up most. I'M GROWN UP. Gay People in watching that movie versus that movie itself but I think it really depends on the movie when it's something like this that's thoughtful and well acted and has a sort of universal wisdom to it great when something an no knock on another property but when it's something like the Kissing booth unless Oh this is fully fuck for me like I. I should not be watching this. And then you know because it's it's like it's like horny teen you know that I'm like no that's I'm past that you know certainly And also like there's a difference between the people who wrote the kissing booth and like Jenny. Han Lie there. That's that's a completely different. You Know Creator. Different intense different. You know I would say probably different audiences to some extent but you know I think also with the whole scenario of it like every once in a while and it's especially with men like their becomes like one young male celebrity who's like okay for Lake thirtysomethings to Thursday after via Tim. Tim Shallow May or no scenario. And so there's that kind of weird like one for the grownups in the room sort of quality to it even though he's what twenty three years old so yeah yeah but like you said he looks like young Mark Ruffalo so like it gives us an excuse yeah it? There's almost an install jr to like to back to like you can count on me like twenty years ago. We can. You believe that by the way I can't believe that I don't WanNa hang on. Yeah I really don't want to talk about there being an icicle be. You can still count. I'd like to see what they're up to twenty years later. Oh yeah that seems like a very like you. Listen Kenny. That seems like a very good like Lonergan experiment. Like he'd probably has that in a drawer somewhere like so But but back to all the boys you were a fan of John Hughes Rom coms sure as a teen age devoured them. Yeah now those my sister and I we owned a VHS of clueless and I would say probably for an entire school year watched at least a portion of that movie every day after school. worship. Yeah and then dazed and confused which was both teen fun but also like back in the nineties because it was just twenty years ago there was that whole nineteen seventy fascination the way there is now with the nineties for today's children or now against thousands and the Hughes movies came a little bit later. I guess 'cause we just took us a second to get to them but Yeah those were super great and I like that. There's a resurgence of that. You know I think that it was interesting in two thousand eighteen love. Simon came out in the spring and then in August. The are the first to all the boys came out. Just kind of solidifying that that Trenton. And from what I understand. They've been incredibly popular. Which I think is fun. I think those movies become important. Sort of cultural touchstones for a whole generation And so they need those things. I think it's good. Can you still watch like a John Hughes movie and like all the way through and feel? Okay Oh yeah like. It's yeah I think the one glaring thing and and and Molly ringwald actually wrote about this. I believe in New Yorker is reassessing some of the Hughes stuff now in the new in a new era of sort of broader social consciousness. And and all that and like obviously the stuff with the Chinese character is bad among as as name and also the stuff that happens to kind of like mean girl who is maybe sexually assaulted. Won't stop is and you're just like that movie which had been my favorite kind of like well. I have to reassess that similar to the way that like have you watched ten things. I hate about you recently. I haven't okay so that was like when that came out on my sister and I were like. This is like the thinking teens. Teen hopping lighting nearest references to literature. And whatever we thought it was the coolest movie letters to Cleo playing on the roof at the end of that in the ending credits. Incredible School. The movie I re watched it maybe six months ago just out of like you know who was on it was on a streaming service leaving and Oh God it's like it's a problem and you'll like this specifically which was an extra heartbreak for me. Not The heath ledger character will. There is some there but the Joseph Gordon Levitt character is a total nice guy. At one point he yells at Larussa only neck for not wanting to kiss him. Saying I've been so nice you know or something along those lines and I was like. Oh like that and just think that I was so steeped in that sentiment as a teenager. Had No idea that that's what it was. I do now but it makes me think about like there are certain movies specifically because as a a a a movie aimed at younger audiences. I find myself like wondering about the future more so when I think about to all the boys than I do when I think about. I don't know horse girl. Like what is the audience of this movie going to think about when they're my age watching it like are they going to look back on this fondly like a as a time in their life when like Like is this going to be a nostalgic like nice moment for them or is this just kinda like go away to the wind and like we're GonNa forget that we ever saw but this seems like it is having a real impact on the lives of teens. I think so. I think the kissing booth might be like that. Oh member that movie. Yeah but like. I think that what happens with anything. You know When you're that age 'cause you're still molten you're still so forming and these things imprint on Hewlett screamed at or clueless. They're confused or whatever. I was really intensely absorbing at the time and so twenty years from now you remember the particulars of the movie. But it's more you remember who you were when you love that movie for the first time you know and so it's more about your personal memory than it is the standalone thing but I think I mean I think these are good Stanley movies but I think that yeah. They're they're they've become more sort of diffuse in this sort of experience of of the world for teenagers. I think than than just discreet movies. I'm GONNA do with a rapid fire thing before we end. This won't take long. I was looking to list of new films added to Netflix. This month and wanted to get your opinion on them but very quickly chore. So we're going to do a quick like best. What's the best movie of the month? According to Richard Loss in sort of like a rapid fire like gut decisions sort of thing like a like a bracket but fastback asked. Okay okay the Blade I. I tried to pair them in things that made sense or you seated. I seated it. Yep Blade runner the final cut or starship troopers starship troopers. Okay Elizabeth or the pianist. Oh that's tough. I'M GONNA say Pianist K. Elizabeth the Golden Age or Anna Karenina. I don't like either of those movies. I'M GONNA say Golden Age. You'RE GONNA say Golden Age. Okay good time or the police academy movies. They're all coming to Netflix No you're not. You haven't seen good time. I have seen I saw. Can you didn't seek nine now. I have seen it. I didn't love it but I loved uncut gems there stare follow up film. So I'm going to say good time. Okay Jerry Maguire or Robin Hood Prince of Thieves. They feel very nineties Prince of thieves. I mean talk about a movie that imprinted itself on me. That was a big one and Jerry. Maguire I'm going to have to go prince of thieves. Okay Yeah I liked Jerry. Maguire Lot I get it I get it now. Purple Rain or booty call purple rate. Okay Sanderson's cookie's fortune allow or driving. Miss Daisy Gotten Altman. I'm GONNA go with. I'M GONNA go with the Allman even though it's viewed as lesser isn't live. Tyler's my sister and I were kind of excited for that one when it came out. I watched that mentioned my sister. I watched cookie's fortune with my sister. Because we welcome to blockbuster and we were like we. WanNa see this. Everyone was in and I fell asleep halfway through and Halsey during the bye. See Oh wow IGALI folly dear John. That's nickel sparks. Yes oh I I. I'm I'm kind of principles. A principled opposition to both of those movies but more Nicholas Sparks Woman. And go with by the okay. Great Okay. So we're GONNA now we're GonNa go through the Starship troopers of the pianist. Oh Christ I mean I stack is like watching you. I WanNa say I WANNA say started troopers because it's such a good satire on many things that feel really relevant today but got US support campion and say the pianist no the pianist not the Oh my God. Oh my God okay. Sorry In that case Troopers and the wait. Wait hold on rewind the that Lisbeth wins that Elizabeth Elizabeth why I was thinking of the piano. So Elizabeth also wins against starship troopers now no star trek through yes. Wow God A hedonist okay. Okay Adrian Brodie. Yes directed by some by somebody. Yeah Elizabeth the Golden Age or good time. you know what a goal Elizabeth Elizabeth the Golden Day. Okay okay. Who's the other one? It's like Clive Owen. Everyone every British man. What a weird movie. But they were like lemon make a similar to Elizabeth later one hundred years later and she was nominated for Which is crazy. And that's like the main thing then it got that's it nominee. It was just like they had. It's like it's like when Meryl Streep gets nominated for like music of the heart. It's like here you go fine Okay Robin Hood. Prince of the or preparation Robin Hood I know that sacrilegious. But no it's not. That's the time he said by the sea or cookie's fortune Let's say cookie's fortune. Okay came on the now. Let's let's let's go backwards. Only a few more rounds. Yeah starship jeffers or Elizabeth the goal starship troopers. I think I think I know it's GonNa Win Robin Hood or cookie's Fortune Robinhood. Okay and then finally robinhood Brinson thieves or starship Casper van. Dien Verse Kevin Costner. Yes I'M GONNA GO. I'M GONNA go with Casper. Van Dien but not for that not because of having could never win against Casper van Dien in nineteen. What seven yeah. Yeah he couldn't he really couldn't see. Kevin couldn't win against Dina Meyer who plays. I believe her name is easy. Kind of like yes. Yeah unfortunately doesn't make it to the the iconic shower scene in starship troopers that was for certain adolescence in the nineties. Unav- formative for all kinds of types of people. Yeah I went to see that movie. Like did you see for a was ninety seven Yeah maybe fourteenth birthday party all boys and apparent I think you can then everyone was like what sort of like there was an immediate like who like just the room just sort of oxygen left it And I you know yeah all eyes on all all is but one pair on Denise Richards. Yeah I check my phone okay. That's fine so the best movie on Netflix. In February of Twenty twenty star should feel totally fine with that. Okay the when I was growing up reading entertain weekly reviews. It's the only review I read in that magazine where I think it was Owen. Glieberman reviewed it did not give it a great at the end because he was like if this is ernest. It's terrible it's satire. It's brilliant and I just don't know what it is and I think it's a satire but I think especially now that it's on a platform that where people can you know view it more widely This is what happens to things like. They need this sort of period where people can reexamine them like enough. Time has passed. I where people are going to reexamine starship troopers like en masse and say like actually it was pretty cut. I mean the guy already started happening. The Guy who made L. is not making starship troopers earnestly. Yeah yeah so I mean what's also crazy about that is that he had made robocop. Just barely recently. I didn't know what to expect. Yeah Yeah Okay Richard. Thank you for having this conversation about all sorts of things with me. It was so much fun. You can read Richards Writing on Vanity Fair on his twitter account at Rye laws. You can listen to Little Gelman wherever you get your podcast. And his upcoming still watching. Podcasts about watchmen per and perhaps Westworld Westworld westworld and Mrs America. Okay and May as America. That'll be great We'll you for being here Richard. I'm sorry Jane campion confused you with a certain other director. She'd love that though she'd find it funny from her storage container in the rural where she lives with her straight gray hair she she always makes actors look like. That's the best thing she doesn't thank you Richard Bye.

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#213 Fantasy Islands, Pt. 1 - The Piano

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#213 Fantasy Islands, Pt. 1 - The Piano

"Hello next picture show listeners. Here's a friendly reminder that if you enjoy the next picture show you'll really enjoy getting more next picture show by subscribing to our patriots on you can get our weekly newsletter for three dollars a month unlock bonus episodes for five dollars a month or upcoming bonus episodes include interview Tasha about her sundance experience in our our picks for the best directors of the decade to subscribe to our patriotic please visit Patriot dot com slash next picture. Show keep the line between the believes someone out of the past take station of living. We may be through with the pass with us. Welcome to the next picture. Show a movie of the week. podcast wooded to a classic film and how it shaped our thoughts resort release. I'm Scott to bias here with Tash Robinson and joining US via skype. Our thefts and Genevieve Caskey on her next two episodes. So we'll be discussing to film about irrepressible desires in deeply repressive times each set on islands of great mystery. VERTUCCI ROMANTIC POSSIBILITY EH. A kind of fantasy island. If you will wait Scott you can confuse everybody. We've got a big screen version of fantasy island coming out this week. These movies are nothing like that one. Nobody is going to know what you're talking about air so these movies haven't turned the long-running ABC fantasy series from the seventies and eighties into a gritty bloom. House horror movie where every wish is like a curse monkey's paw no these are highly regarded can award winners from Jane Campion and Selene. Yama two world-class filmmakers Zor plane in them. At least know they take place in eighteenth and nineteenth century everybody arrives by boat or the gritty. At least I guess if that makes you feel better fine please tell her listeners about them. Nineteen ninety three was is a watershed year for movies. The year Steven Spielberg directed Jurassic Park. And Schindler's list. The your everyone kept the secret of the crying Game Theory of Naked Groundhog Day. The remains of the day at the age of innocence fearless and the fugitive and yet from the moment it premiered at the Cannes Film Festival. In May Jane campion's the piano stayed in the conversation winning the Palm Door Multiple Oscars Oscar's and having a long run at art houses. Audiences were entranced and perplexed by the story of Ada McGrath a mute Scotswoman in the mid nineteenth century who sold into marriage in New Zealand but it gets wrapped up in a torrid affair with her husband's Mari from the Acquaintance Asia's quest to leverage freedom and passion from a compromising situation has plenty of parallels to another can sensation from last year ear. Selena Gomez portrait of a lady on fire set mostly on an isolated island in the late eighteenth century the film's about the Forbidden Love. That develops between a painter named Marianne and the woman She's commission should make a portrait of Eli's Young Woman Who's arranged to be married to a Milanese nobleman as the two women get closer to each other spark a romance with a very limited time span and an upcoming expiration date. So this week. We'll talk about the piano and revisit. All the excitement and controversy that swirled around it over twenty five years ago the next week will bring in portrait of a lady on fire which has the same potential to raise a few eyebrows and turn up the arthouse temperature so rather than buy a ticket to fantasy island. We'll take you on a trip to to fantasy islands. And all Oliver Cost. You is a little bandwidth. She he came to a strange land in search of a new life to furious. It came to a husband she had never met it was time onshore. She and discovered a passion that would change her forever hunter. Harvey can I tell Sam Neill the piano. My favorite moment and the piano comes about seventy minutes into the film. Shortly after eight McGrath a mute scotswoman played by Holly. Hunter has finally gotten back her beloved piano. Her husband Alistair played by Sam. Neill has been perplexed by Asia's unhappiness since she was sold into marriage and brought to a monkey backwater off the coast to New Zealand and now that her one instrument of self expression is in their home. He's perplexed once more to see ADA drifting out the front door away from him and away from her daughter Flora played by an Apac when of course we we know where her attention is. Drifting it's to Baines played by Harvey Keitel who rescued the piano after Alistair benefited on the beach gave it back to Ada through an escalating series of sexual favors waivers. So let's get back to that moment inside. The House Alistair demands that floor subset of Jig. And she obliges as best you can but director Jane campion's attention is drifting to to Ada outside the window and suddenly the tune flora is playing segues neatly into lost and found a particularly lovely piece of music from Michael Nyman score since Ada is mute that scores absolutely critical for getting into her head space. It's filled with longing as she continues walking away from the House. The camera then slowly tracks in from behind her and settles on the Bun in the back of her hair which remains tight in impeccably braided. unladylike despite the wildness of the environment then can't be and dissolves the forest forest which is dark and mysterious yet beckoning her. Despite her best interests she will continue to see Baines and she will pay a terrible price for it but in the end she cannot suppressor on impulses and neither alistair anyone else. So much of what is great about the piano and about camping is a filmmaker in general is intuitive and impulsive in the same same way campion isn't going to have the strictures of narrative convention prevent her from ESPEC- yourself as she pleases. There's always something more than just the story to take an inner movies that occurred to me again recently when I revisited in the cut her one and only attempt to make a film within the Hollywood system which earned her mostly negative reviews and an F. Cinema score from audiences at the time. I was one of those perplexed disappointed by the cut which struck me as a high toned version of the same dumb sexy thriller. We've been seeing since basic instinct a decade before but around the edges of that plot camping trying to show what it's like to be a woman of sexual interest in a world full of violent and unpredictable men in the cut is a horror film. It's also lusty film about how desire isn't always rational right. It's just felt there's a lot of talk about in the piano in two thousand twenty. Just there wasn't nineteen ninety-three when one the palm doric Orrick can and would later win Oscars camping screenplay and for the performances by Holly Hunter and Apac win it also made Harvey tell sex symbol for a few months which is a triumph in itself but in a film so full of music. I think it's helpful to listen in between the notes to set in the mid nineteenth century wilds of New Zealand. The film is about Asia's relationship with two men. Alistair the man who is determined to make a proper wife out of her first through patients than through oppression and brutality and Baynes a retired sailor who is modestly among the Mari sorry after retrieving piano for the beach extensively to get lessons from her baynes negotiates a kind of sexual blackmail with Ada. He wants to quote do things. He likes unquote while she plays in exchange for a piano key which earned of keys. The Piano was hers again on paper. This arrangement certainly does not put Baynes in a good light but the way actually plays out in the piano is another story. And that's where campion the director comes in and hunters an actress too. She wants the film to make emotional on psychological sense more than rational sense. Eight is in a position of extreme powerlessness because of the period and because of her father's child and her arranged marriage to Alistair in her literal lack of a voice but she has a hold on Baynes and he on her and the wrongness. The arrangement plays like rightness and campion's telling and that's all in the music the symbolism the camera work work and actions were words are not necessary. You feel your way through the piano and it all fuels right back doc. Want to buck. She was to make a deal. Is Things decide to do you play. If you let me you can earn it back. One one visit for every key. Nineteen ninety-three was a huge year for me as a moviegoer. I remember seeing the piano multiple times and talking about it with friends in college. Sure but I want to hear from you first. What was your experience with it? And how does it hold up for now. Tasha Robinson I read it very differently from the way that I read it back then. I think I'm much more sophisticated moviegoer than I was in nineteen ninety-three in nineteen ninety-three. I was also in college and I went home for Christmas I I had heard so much about the piano. I was so excited to see it and I talked my family having and seeing with me at the multiplex it might have been on Christmas Day. Maybe just on Christmas Eve but yeah there. I am sitting with my My fundamentalist Christian mother whose idea of a good time at the movies more or less ends with MGM musicals pickles and we're watching this tale of like fraught sexual experimentation and grotesque violence and eventual mutilation. And this happened to be the year. You're after I went home all excited to watch. This animated movie had heard so much about called the grave of the fireflies that home video to watch Chris so so pretty much. The only thing mom had to say about the piano as we left with me mortified was Tasha isn't allowed to pick for Christmas movies uh-huh and then I went back to college and it was still in theaters in January. But I like I read a box office report. It had not yet made two million dollars at the box office at that point in several weeks of release I remember just the most college essay imaginable about You know how people needed to learn to appreciate appreciate good movies. I was so incensed. Jane campion's part of my buddy. Little feminist heart was just so angry. That people weren't finding this movie but I I mean it was not like anything I'd seen before in a multiplex at that time and it really captured my attention but at the same time I was just so caught up in the currents collect the conflict between sexual exploitation and sexual discovery that the conflict between a woman like losing your voice in learning to gain. Her Voice The conflict between a women being forced into several different kinds of sexual servitude and kind of bargaining and bartering and learning her way out of it. I didn't exactly know what to make of it. I kind of wish I'd had people to discuss it within the same way you did Scott and it all feels very different today. It feels just as you say. They'll the the logic of it feeling your way through the logic of it and exactly what Ada is going through and how she gets from A to B to see the D- Makes a lot more sense to me as an adult than it did when I was that young but it still is like beautiful and mysterious and emotional and heartfelt as it was back then the visual still capture me in the same way and just kind of the daring daring -ness of it As like an art house cinema piece That brought people in comfort the naked Harvey Hotel and the time and the saucy see sexuality and stay for a budding pro feminist movement and Cinema. Wow that was. That was amazing. I I had the worst family. The Christmas movie was Ready to wear all. That was a Christmas piano shorter than that. That's like three hours long right ready to wear. Yeah it's not that bad. I think that'll that much longer than the piano Dreadful I mean it's it's decent justice but I'm sure it felt like it three times as long to Tasha while she was sitting next to her mom experience you have the tougher experience by families may be slightly more open minded than that well. I was ten years old in one thousand nine hundred eighty three so I did not see this in the multiplex with my family or otherwise older sister to drag drag you to it claiming victory Chris Movie Now this to go back to what you were saying about the One Thousand Ninety three being such a big film year Scott. This was the era of Jurassic Park for me. That was the movie of the year for ten year old genevieve but I definitely was cognizant of sort of the discussion of the film. I certainly only remember Anna. Pack Win winning at the Academy Awards that year. That was a big moment and and I was like into enough to you. Know Entertainment and movies is to be aware of it and kind of what I took from that time. The conversation around it which admittedly was like very surface level and what a ten year old could grasp was that it was a romance. You know it was a historical romance so at for a long time like that's just how it existed in my head having not seen it and not being part the discussions around it at the time so I attempted to watch it several years later in either college or Grad School my very late teens or early twenties a the Remember trying to watch it. I may have gotten through it but I also may not have because like I said I was going into it with the sort of context in my head of it being a romance romance and when I hit the part where Baynes makes his proposition. You know kind of as we've already talked about a fair bit like that's sort of a sticking sticking point you have to sort of re contextualised what the film is doing in that moment and it's not a romance story kind of about the women's agency wrapped in a love story but very kind of troubling one. So I think I kinda wasn't able to make that you the cognitive leap at that point had this sort of block of what I expected the film to be keeping me from really engaging with the film that way So this was I. I feel like my first proper viewing of the piano and sort of wrestling with it and it's a fascinating film and I'm still kind of like I said wrestling with my own feelings about it and it story. It's definitely captured. My attention captured my imagination. While I'm still working through my feelings about what it's saying but I can't argue with how it says it. I am still a little troubled with the data Ma and how Ada ends up with Baynes and how he is sort of portrayed in net ending moment so maybe that's something we can kind of talk over at some point but that was my experience. Yeah I saw this film I believe three or four times and in three different countries. I was studying abroad. And like we in England and we're doing a weekend in Dublin and just kind of took a flyer on this film and loved loved it and then you know saw at the art house back in England a solid. When I got back I think it's still playing in some ways when I got somewhere when I got back in the states but It's really a film. I revisited a lot a lot and I liked it a lot. This time I feel like I really had not taken into account the thorny -ness of the sexual politics at at that age as as I do now where it's kind of like because being ultimately comes out as a figure of a passionate and desire for her you know I I didn't know it wasn't even thinking about how much looking past the awfulness of here of his others request of ranger at the fact that she gives into it and I think Scotch casinos right in the sense that you get along with the feelings about this but there is so much sort out after the feelings pass or you revisit. Those feelings so I'm looking forward to this discussion. We've all mentioned it a little bit here and I certainly talked about my keynote. But there's this idea I think of Jane campion. That's being very instinctual. Impulsive director later. And I was just curious whether you had the reaction that I did. Where you're rational response in your irrational spots or your actual response were different like you like you could think if your reaction to the story and your action to the actual telling of the story in the emotional and psychological sense of it are two completely different things because they they were for me? I'm not sure where you get. Get that like. I don't know if we're drawing from interviews at the time or thing. She said about this film but I mean to me. This movie feels incredibly calculated you know the symbolism of it the the the back and forth motions of it. All of the. The intricate pieces of the story eight is development in particular like her development in regards to Baynes her development in regards to her husband Lake there so many stages to this her development as regards to her daughter the thought-through -ness of the metaphor of her muteness and the communicates with her daughter through sign the way her daughter translates for her doesn't she sees fit like all of these things feel very thought about let me put let me you put a different way. Then 'cause I e because you're right it's not I don't WanNa make. It seem like she's improvised. The film she hasn't she she has thought through all the things that you say that she's thought through. I think what I'm saying is that you can look at the text of this film. You can just say just read read of novelization of the piano for example in. Just look at the story in particularly the relationship between Ada in Baynes and have one reaction and then see the way it actually plays out in the telling and that'd be a different reaction. That's that's what I'm talking about the discussion about the film with some college professors of mine. who were and remain? Very smart people used to dealing with literary texts and The Hague with movies because they felt like it's a movie about someone who gives up her. Who sells sells her body and the film destroys the fact that the piano the symbol for creative creativity is destroyed street as a triumphant moment and just a coded texts that way? They did not appreciate it at all but I feel like it's kind. What you're saying? Scott were the visuals and experience of it. Kind of just say work at odds with the story. But there's a whole different like frequency that's happening because the elements yeah. I don't know that I ever was able to sort of give myself over to the film like I feel like I was in the process. Continuously analyzing it as I was watching it and you know maybe that's not the best way to experience this film but I was also preparing to talk about different podcast so but I think maybe where I see what you're talking about. Come through Scott is in Holly Hunter's performance really the love the passion. Whatever you WANNA call it between eight am Baynes does really nothing for me? I guess I can see how it could win. People over but it just for me and what I found. More compelling in their dynamic is the power imbalance between them and how the film sort of shows Ada figuring out how to work within that power imbalance in an exert herself within this misogynistic patriarchy that literally sort of trades her and her daughter as property between men. And it's interesting to me that Holly Hunter is just. She's so petite and almost frail seeming in in this film next to Harvey Keitel. Who is just hulking? This hulking lumpy man. It's like the threat of of rape and violence is always there just in their serve physical proximity to each other like. It's very clear that he could take what he wants from her very easily. And the fact not only that he doesn't but also that she is able to turn that situation to her advantage and find something for herself in. It is what I found myself responding bonding to on an emotional level more than their feelings for each other. Oh you know you say that he would have no problem taking what he wants. Alistair tries it. And he really get there. And he's like he's less of a an outdoorsman like he's less of a a great bookie Abe of a man but you see her you know without any sort of weapon without resisting with violence against him just like clinging to the forest and like crawling away just like with with this expression on her face. That's never seems frightened. It seems prey on it seems grim and disgusted and you get the impression that she would react pilots from him in the same sort of way I mean she react to his sexual blackmail with that same sort of all right. We're doing this. I suppose if we must us like it's all a sort of an almost British sex's an unclean thing that one must tolerate. Look at the England like never she she. She rarely in this movie. Apart from the scene with the acts seems actually frightened. She seems calculating and exasperated with men. But I think that's so important to the emotions of the movie. I think the difference between as as you say Scott like reading a novelization or just reading the script and seeing it on film it so much of it is in Holly Hunter's reactions to the things that are going on like so much of it is in the way. She never seems entirely out of control. Until until the scene with the axe even with Alistair assaulting her she seems not enough in control of her body certainly not as much as she wants to be but much more in control the situation that he wants her to be and it stymies him over and over he tries to take what he wants in one way or the other and she stymies him and as genevieve genevieve says. There's a lot of power imbalance there but there's much less power imbalance than one would generally expect from this kind of story and I find that. Just fundamentally really an interesting choice choice Kato. By the way five foot seven which is how good the performances and how tiny how she's also usually sitting At Pano so that helps the other thing. I kind of think about two. We get to the CY. I mean there's so much symbolism in this movie but that one of the sort of fundamental conflicts of this movie is between what is natural and what is unnatural and is ultimately about Asia's attraction to the wild a little bit. You know the forest that shot that I was talking about in the keynote of you know I mean. There's so many shots in the film of looking into that into the forest and You know this is the place where you're literally stuck in the mud everywhere you go. It's an absurd place to try to impose societal rules rules upon the type of clothes that she has to wear the type of You know sort of button down life this was to lead. It's not a setting that's all suitable double for that in so Baynes kind of represents more of an immersion into what is natural and what is wild and dangerous and ultimately right. I don't think she's alternately. Repulsed by Alistair. Because he's too civilized though. I think that ultimately comes down to is. She is discovering throughout the entire movie like the mechanics of choice. Somebody who didn't have a choice probably didn't have a choice to become pregnant like her. Her lover like chose not to be with her. She didn't have a choice to marry him. I'm not implying. She didn't choose to have sex with him because she seems to have been very much in love but she didn't choose to become a single mother and then she doesn't choose to become a wife and she doesn't choose to be shipped off to the hinterlands and she doesn't choose her relationship with Baynes. She doesn't choose her relationship with Alistair air but to me when she comes back to Baynes. It's because for the first time she has the opportunity to make that as an actual choice for herself. And I feel like the relationship with with Alistair becomes so much more important lick in a kind of a standard romance novel. The whole idea of her being like a good girl who's forced against her will to do these naughty sexual things but she finds they inflame her and then in the end. She can't help herself she goes to deliver like all of that is very standard. Erotica stuff But we hugely hugely complicated here by having her slowly exploring a possible sexuality with Alistair and it's entirely based on her being in control. She wants Baines. No I mean oust. Okay she wants him to lie on his stomach and not touch her while she slowly addresses him and caresses him. She pretty clearly at one point brings him to orgasm but still doesn't want him to touch her she's just she slowly discovering his body and deciding for herself whether it's something she wants and ultimately she she decides she wants this other man instead and he is so baffled by it like he does not know what to do with this woman from the start and he especially doesn't know what to do with her in bed because he doesn't know how to translate a woman who's making her own choices and it comes across this she doesn't either the one thing you can save for Baynes Throughout this entire entire story is that he respects the choices she makes. He pushes her into things she doesn't want to do but he respects the limits she sets. He respects the rule. She lays down and look he never seems to push further that she's actually willing to go. Is it possible. Alastair's never been with a woman before that I'd certainly be possible. It's real given especially given the religious nature of the community There as well. That's a really interesting question that had not occurred to me and I think it could be plausible. It's kind of interesting interesting that this is a story that takes place on an isolated island because it's also an isolated story and a lot of ways and that our knowledge of the characters back stories are pretty limited and in the case of Ada I think purposely skewed. You know we get that story that flora tells that is almost certainly not true in sort of the the story that they've told between them but there's certainly room to infer that the true story of where floor came came from is maybe a little less romantic in same with allistair and Baynes. You know like we. We need Baynes. He's fully to use an outdated phrase gone native. You know like we don't. He's clearly had quite a life before this point and we really get very little of it and I think that that assertive isolation of the characters to this one point in time is what makes the dynamic the real story of this movie rather then the narrative if that makes sense we don't even get that much of their present I mean. Do you have any idea what Alistair does for a living like. Is he farming. That land is he's he's speculating in it he's colonizer we we see them putting up fences which boy you WanNa talk about. Symbolism like trading the Maris for their land and then immediately l. e. putting up fences to delineate which is his land is a pretty potent symbol. But there's no sign that he's working that land or like raising animals on it or were really. It's just unclear what he's doing in general maybe when presumes he's buying it up so we can sell it off but he always seems to be fairly busy coming and going going but we don't really know what he does and we don't really have a sense for how baynes supports himself either her how he came to own the land that he trades off to Alistair like there's a lot of sense of these people pull living complicated and busy lives. They're mostly off screen. And the only things we really learned about them is how they relate to each other like in this little triangle to take it back to the sort of question of of symbolism in in how this is reflected on a symbolic level I want to touch on the bell. Hooks criticism of this films. Are Any of you familiar with that. Okay I it sounds from the reading I did. It sounds like it was definitely in the conversation around the time. This film was out and I couldn't find the actual essay stay on the Internet but I found places that have quoted extensively and it sounds like it's a strong criticism of the film as a anti feminist film. And it posits it. As a colonialist fantasy celebrating you know the domestication of this Murray land in domestication of a free spirit in Asia data. So I think that's like a pretty critical take but I do think there is something in the connection between allister's relationship to do the part of New Zealand that they're in allister's relationship to Asia Both are something that he is trying to make submit to some point or another you get into some slippery stuff have to where. He's closer to the Mari who are more natural her more in touch with the land. You know it gets into some pretty stereotypical and severely cut a very worn out use of digits people to symbolize what white people are going through and I think that's that's legit criticism of the film. That doesn't doesn't spoil spoiler but it's it's worth acknowledging we'd we should definitely talk about. How the Merrier used here? Because it's not as bad as it could be you know but they they are pretty much figures of primitive fun like they spend a lot of time joking to Baynes about his penis and what it what it gets up to and how much they would like it or how much he should be using it. They attacked people who are putting on a play as if they've never seen a play even though they're in in this environment where it apparently happens regularly. There's a sense of them being just like all sorts of negative stereotypes about natives like they're hard workers when they're benefiting from it but That much rather like lie around in there clearly borrowed a European clothes and like entertain themselves. Like all of these humphries and Humphry. You have disgraced these trees without flora initiating that it seemed like that was kind of her imitating what she'd seen her mother and doing so maybe she was teaching all of the kids this game. I think that's definitely what what happens. Because she'd been she'd been privy to that. So yeah this is not the the native tree hugging in game. But yeah that's definitely not the most like respectful or or thoughtful way of dealing with these characters but again then again there they at least they have characters turn names they they aren't complete raw caricatures. They aren't just you know crude devices of of Fun and mockery the way they would have been in many other. There are movies like of this time in earlier. But they're not absurd. You know I think you look at somebody like Alistair in the way. He's trying to live in this place in it's absurd it's it's ridiculous right trying to impose you know Values and structures onto this land. That's not hospitable to it. I think he kind of comes off as looking ridiculous but I mean again not to not to minimize all these other criticisms of the treatment of the Mari. But I do think that you know she wants to establish very Big Bold terms like we're the sides here. What is what is natural what is unnatural? And there's a lot of things that are done visually to kind of make that happen. I think it's really interesting. The film doesn't take a hugely clear side on the Maoris Ownership of their own land. Like we see Alistair like walking a boundary that The Mary of apparently put up lick delineating their ancestral their sacred ground. And we see him trying to have a conversation with him through Baynes where he's like trying to barter guns funds for this land that's precious to them but he fundamentally doesn't understand it in a way that's very familiar from stories about Europeans coming to America and looking at how the natives used the land he even says they're not using it. They're not working it. So why won't they give it to me like what's wrong with these people that they want their sacred lands when I could be taking them and and then we don't actually see him using the land. Either we don't have any idea what he's using it for so why he would feel. This sense of manifest. Destiny is very unclear. I think from a modern standpoint. It's very easy to look at that. Particularly the scene where he's bargaining for the land. NCI A grasp greedy European trying to take something that he fundamentally has no right to And trying to low ball the people involved on it but I don't know if it would have played quite that way in nineteen ninety-three it might might as well just as seemed like I want this land for useful purposes and like you primitive screw heads lake. Don't want me to for reasons that you can't even articulate. What's wrong with you? Yeah I'm I sure about that Tasha. It feels like he's just kind of being treated as as ridiculous and the idea that even owned land being treated as absurd. I didn't really see it any other way. Holly Hunter and Anna Pack when both won Oscars for their performances and there was a brief time as I mentioned when Harvey Guy Tell was a sex symbol. Because of this movie I remember this remember a New Yorker Cartoon and whereas some husband is trying to imitate barbecue Intel and not pulling it off very funny as all New Yorker cartoons are in Then of course there's Sam Neill also an excellent performer. So what would you think of the the acting this movie. I mean I think it's pretty good. I I was blown away by how good pack wins and how smarter characterization that is a kid who just has not developed any sort of moral compass at all is sort of You know I mean just the auction off alone where she was taught pushy out in the rain and the comforted and ask. Who who did this to you? You know it's such a is such that with my dachshund but it is kid way to interact with a with a dog and just the way her allegiances shift from her mother who you know. Has You know the center of her life and and to her Her adopted father who she just kinda quickly takes too when it's convenient or when it occurs to her to be with him and said it is seems very true particular stage of childhood. I think also Neil's Neil's performance is maybe not discussed enough. I mean obviously there's two an incredible performances in hunter pack win and Kiteka's Silas while I guess but I think maybe we don't talk enough about like what Neil does with of what is like a really hard character that could have been a very like two dimensional channel brute and he kinda gives him this this vulnerability and like there's points in the movie where you almost feel a little. Sorry River. Alastair Alastair Kosice very sort of befuddled year like he doesn't understand Ada and and what's happening you know and he doesn't understand the world let he is is in that he has brought her to. He doesn't understand the Mari and that gives him this sort of. I don't WanNa say sympathy empathy but I I think vulnerability is probably the the best way to put it and I think that character needs some vulnerability for it to be anything other than just a Komo I think until he turns to violence. It's hard to call him a bad. Yeah you just kind of a person of his time. And he's not a reflective person. He certainly not a politically or socially enlightened person. But he just doing what someone of his of his background means and worldview would do you got a lot of that in the script. I think a lot of that is just as you say. Neal plane with a lot of vulnerability sort of open heart looking. God that you kind of want your your sympathies. Go to him up to. It's it's funny to think about like again. This is the same year that he was in Jurassic Park Mark. And that's and that's another character that's like kind of a Dick you know but also kind of makes you love him to a little bit. He's a modern version of of the Nice Guy. archetype his whole thing is I don't understand why you don't love me and didn't choose me like I haven't forced you. I haven't beaten you like and now you've got to go and make me mad. I mean the the fact that when he physically attacks her he outright says like why do you have to make make me hurt you i. It's just it's such a cliche abuser line. This feeling of all of this is your fault like what I am doing is your fault but but at the same time like the lead up to it is just is such this modern idea of. I don't understand why I've been friend zoned. I'm just standing back here. Like being available Poland and being not actively kind of but not cruel to her. Why doesn't she see that? I'm here and I'm much better than him. And then when she chooses the other guy like of course he turns it's into a rage monster as so many. Tm Nice guys do so. I mean it just. It seems like a very interestingly modern interpretation but the the fact that he doesn't burst it on them when he catches them in full day is just a fascinating movie moment because we know the structure of the story okay. The structure of the story is that he he bursts in and makes a huge deal and they're embarrassed and cut out now instead he climbs under the house in peers up at them through the floorboards. Like he's you so helpless and hapless and maybe turned on by L.. Addison maybe even know what he's looking at it. I mean this is quite possible in eighteen fifty. And that's that's true. Yeah it's it's possible that on some level he's thinking like this what women and men do alone together like is this. This is clearly what I'm missing out on but I'm not quite sure how to take this emotionally. It's interesting it's interesting. In a way that flora sees a very similar thing and immediately goes to model an emulated in the way that she can. And uh-huh Alistair who is theoretically like more mature and knows more about it sees it and just completely shuts down and has no idea what to do except lie under the floorboards and stare at them. If he's a monster then I also think that we can't really buy into flora's you you know favouring of him or interest there is some there is a thing where he is providing a nice stable home for her and more than that attention I mean she is. She's acting I mean that that's the key I talked about this well but like She's reacting as a child. Reacts I mean when you when you are you know. She doesn't want to be shut out so she because she shut out of whatever's going on with her mother and Baynes she resents. She resents the both for that because she gets home. And this attention from Alistair it makes. It makes sense. When she makes the decision that she ultimately makes? And it's so heartbreaking when she learns that it's the wrong decision and the most horrifying. Why Hey you know me? She still loves her mother and certainly does not want her stepfather to mutilate her as he does And I think a pacman and before young actress handles it so or any actress whole house and so so well and it is. It is not surprising at all that she was able to make that that. Very rare transition into being in movies to this day and it's also kind of funny of course that she's gone from being the the accompaniment to someone who is mute to who is has very few lines of the film the Irishman She learned she learned at the natural way. She came by honestly she in the in the suite scenes between her and holly hunter like when they're alone in their tent or in bed telling stories to each other and communicating and a like a mixture of of sign and speech. She reminds me so much of the little girl in Tarsem movie of fall and those scenes that the relationship between that little girl role and Lee Pace's character was achieved via like Improv like s slow process of of making friends Which happened with hidden cameras so she wasn't aware of what was going on? I wonder if any of the process here was like similarly like like an intimate process of relationship building because it just seems so unforced and uncalculated and startling for a American child actors. At that time was she American she was. I believe it's kind of company and I think she actually grew up mostly in Los Angeles but was born. And I WANNA say England but I could be wrong actually could have been New Zealand. I'll look it up while we we talk if we hadn't really we talked a little about this yeah And also did a lot of growing up in La. I believe elite but I mean that accent is none of none of the accident surprise expert but it strikes me as a very good Scottish accent. Let's talk about the ending of this movie movie. Oh the Daily Mail I think was kind of sticking point for you genevieve right. Yeah well it just it feels like it was tacked on. I didn't do research to see if it was something. That championed was compelled to add or whether it was her original vision. But it doesn't it feels like the movie is maybe supposed to end when Ada goes into the see. After her piano campion's original vision was for her to die to agree to that was changed by her own. Artistic impulse versus making a film for Harvey Weinstein Unseen Maryland. I don't know I feels like something that could be almost feels like were kind of a little women's situation too because it ends not with the happy happy ending But it ends with the scene of her under the water but the terms of Miramax was this an acquisition. This was this actually made for Miramax. It may very well be I. I mean that would make sense to me. It does not feel like it doesn't it doesn't feel like the kind of tacked on ending the half that would happen through human wrecks at the time but also know that she did say apparently years later so that your intention was for her to and I don't think I don't want to argue that it should have ended that way because I think that Ada is as written a survivor. You know and she is a strong character as we have discussed in various ways and to have her sort of just throw in the towel and then at the end For for arguably good reason I mean I. I think we could argue all day long whether the situation she is in at the end of the movie is fundamentally an improvement but it it still. She's still alive you know. And she's still playing the piano and it's not the same piano and I think this is another thing I kinda wanted to bring up because I I definitely I only saw some criticism of her. You know having them toss her. Her piano. Overboard is sort of her throwing away her artistic passion her crack you house or trading it in for this furthest new life with Baynes but but we do see her with with a new piano you know. She's she's teaching piano now at the end so I guess I wanna get your you guys read on on that arguments that ADA is you know trading in something fundamental about herself for this this new life with Baynes I think it gets bullpen. I I can't imagine enjoying version of this movie. where she is? I feel like that. Would that would take me just in the direction of like all of the the Stories involving gay and lesbian characters. Where they they have to die at the end it just it would feel like such a kill gays moment? It would feel like such a well. Why can't we have nice things like this is a story about a woman trying to claim her own passionate a very repressive situation and if the ultimate message was well there's no release the cold icy arms of the like screw that message? I know I I love the idea of her sort of coming out of it as a rebirth. But especially especially if her death was staged the way it's staged in the film as we see it where she says through the peon over the side and then she goes with it entirely as an accident then it would just seem like like this grim dark ending for no particular reason for her. I mean what's the symbolism they're like the symbolism is that she can't reject any part heart of her any part of her experience because she's just going to go down with it like the terrible depressing message so you think that it was an accident her that her foot got caught up. Yes absolutely yeah I read. That is her seeing that she could have moved her foot and chose not to me to your So here's my here's my overall take. I liked the ending again. Emotional sense The Piano I think is a symbol at that point of the film. It has gone from this essential tool full of self expression of the things she cares about the most to an anchor the literal anchor that only her back and dragging her into the water. And she liberates herself from this anchor and can be reborn in move onto this life with Baynes and the thing. I think that's also a such a lot. Baynes again. Something that you feel. Maybe not that I in in how they have trouble rationalizing is that they both have a hold on each other. There in trance with one another in in that relationship develops in complexity and emotion as it goes goes on and as this Relationship achieves a certain equilibrium and You know and I think it starts with the very beginning of that arrangement of when Harvey Keitel is supposed to have lessons. He says no that he just wants to listen and I mean I think there's something about that line that's super important to kind of understanding anything like okay so he is Buick by her. It's more than just kind of like leveraging sexual favors out of her. I think there's something much more comprehensive about that bewitched in then there's this push and pull that happens throughout the course of the film based again of course on a huge power imbalance but I think that imbalances sort of redressed rest as a film goes on and then the in that context of the day. Mas Is justified in kind of like I also think that throwing the piano overboard is for her away way of throwing the origins of this relationship overboard like I think. She is voluntarily choosing to get rid of her past and their past together and like choose this new relationship tip where they're more like equals this new relationship. That doesn't come out of this like sordid sexual blackmail I I think. It's all about her deciding that the symbolism of the piano is wrong long now and it's just as you say it's an anchor. It's a weight holding her down. I don't think she's giving up our art. If you lose the epilogue he also lives my favorite line reading the film which is about how they're the new. The child frequently. I was going to bring that up. Scott was talking about What what was so in such an important land for him like the smallness of of voice and even if the phrasing in that line is so perfect but it really does speak to her having found a place where she's comfortable full and satisfied like with with herself with her surroundings with how other people relate to her with her choices? Like she isn't a mutilated freak. She somebody that other people see. There's a mutilated frequent. She finds it delightful like that's just a really great character detail Dafur So there's plenty of things to talk about in in this movie more things but will do so next week when we talk about Portugalete on fire but for now It's I'm feedback Now it's time for feedback when our listeners weigh in with their responses to recent episodes and anything else in the world of film. We've gotten so much good feedback for the last couple of episodes. So I'm plucking one each for little women and glibly Jennifer wanted to start with an email and tweet about amy's art in little women. Sure report from Denver writes. I was fascinated to hear genevieve discuss thus amy self regard as a painter in the effect that might have had on her decision to marry Laurie. If I'm correct genevieve's thought was that Amy's confidence was boosted when she compared her own planner landscape to another other being painted close by this. Intern encouraged her to pursue Laurie as a husband despite his hand me downs status and obnoxious behavior towards her. My interpretation and I base this on a single viewing doing I admit is the opposite that she was discouraged by seeing her neighbors composition which is far superior to her own. Technically excellent static work contrasted with his modern impressionistic stick. Approach her own work she realized any interpretive. Quality was in fact dated and obsolete with that realization. Her marriage to Laurie. Even with its economic bondage became a much cheesier decision to make and then I also got. This is Johnny began and then I also got this tweet from at a peeves who wrote I just need to very quickly. Say here. That regarding amy as a painter painter it says in the script that she missed her time to be a naturalistic painter. Because it was the dawn of impressionism. Bad timing okay like to take this moment to apologize to my a art history professor because I completely glossed over the whole impressionism In I think that both of these letters are right on but rupert's interpretation of that. I thought any competence was being boosted. Isn't quite what I was was reading out of that scene. I was more reading saying that. She saw a certain Fruitlessness to what she was doing because she saw someone next to her. Doing what at the time. I interpreted as an inferior version. One of what she was doing and she was thinking is like sort of busy work for women you know like like just something to to keep her occupied until she got married and that was sort of the realization nation of that for her. But now that I'm like Oh yeah. This is the height of impression is It it just totally changes that scene for me and I don't think it takes anything away from what's interesting about her relationship with Lori but it definitely gives it a cast a slightly different light on it. Bad timing is also name of Harvey Cut Telnan. He let me ask. You are art history question whether impressionism. I'm clearly clearly very. I have very little recollections if you WANNA ask a basic thing which is which is like if I'm not mistaken. Impressionism was didn't go over that great. At first I was this recognition on Amy's part of this was something that was coming that she could see as an artist that she would be outdated a certain point that she she was working in a form that it was going to pass. Maybe you know I don't. I don't have a firm enough grasp of the of the timeline to say for sure but I I would guess that the fact that that she is in Paris maybe makes it a little less of a unusual thing you know in is maybe maybe that shot is also assertive expressing something about her inherent sort of American ness and in this context. So it wasn't that it was rejected. It was it was controversial and divisive vices. So I try I think was the first I'm looking at. When the first impressionist exhibition was around this time seventy four okay? Okay I think actually kind of started before that. Yeah so so it could. It could be sort of a a coming wave whether amy realizes that is another question maybe sheet. Maybe she did look like her neighbors and thank it was trash you know just because a lot of people apparently were doing that with impressionist art work at the time. All of this really. It just speaks to one of my big hobby horses in a cinematic or any other form of visual storytelling. which is you can't show people art and expect them all all to have the same response to it and just assume that it you know it goes unspoken that people will take one look at the start and recognize that? It's great art or terrible art. He did not have your character. Jour- make something and then just assume that you know what the audience is going to think about it because they're all gonna bring their different beliefs to their different feelings about it just the same the way they do about like the movie itself or any other form of art and for me this. There's no greater example of this. Then rent where you have these characters that smell the entire higher musical slaving over in one person's case they'll film and then another person's case a song and you get to see the film and hear the song at the end and to my mind that both terrible terrible and they both kind of just speak to. Oh you guys have been wasting your time this whole time like you're not only ratty entitled like Selfish Little Artists Wrists. You really bad artists to deserve to make your living this way. You do need to sell out and go get jobs so having this like unspoken moment of like I look at what I'm doing and I look at what somebody else is doing and intending for it to be a big character. Beat I think is kind of problematic. I mean amy does sort of say later like she's only ever we're going to be a middling painter and it's just not worth her slaving away in order to to not be good at something she's ready to hang it up but I don't know that we get that that clearly out of that moment of look at what I'm doing look at what you're doing and it definitely sounds like it's meant to be a lot clearer in the script like it's meant to to spell spell out this moment of great transition and art which I don't think the audience for the most part it's going to get far for me to tell Florence but if you kind of like sm actress that would have been so no I call Mr Holland's opus because it's it's like this here's a guy who's sacrificed promising career as a composer and then You hear the couple's Asian it's like. Oh boy some something tells me. We may have opportunity to talk about this more with portrait of a lady on fire next zillion regardless I would love to hear from listeners of Lake your favorite moment of of hearing the song or seeing the art or what have you instead of mutton thinking well. That's trash studio sixty on the sunset strip the TV Pinnacle of that. You're making me nervous about the our lady on fire discussion. So let's be one of the next question On the Gallipoli Front. We got a couple of really encouraging emails from Australians confirming that we totally totally didn't screw up the historical context in world war ones importance to Australian identity. In General Big Sigh Key. WanNa share one with us. Sure David Rights. I was born in nineteen seventy five and my first memory of going to a cinema at all. Was the seat with my family. Practice strange choice for a six year old but I I think the fact of my thoroughly proper middle class mother taking me. I've also met other Australia's of my generation having done the same shows to the cultural impact. Both of Weir's film and the idea the The battle at large for Australians. There's no cultural figure in Australia. More resonant were representative of our heritage than the young soldier Woodward one is been so inculcated into the nation's consciousness that is quite cla shade. Almost hackneyed image. Any young school child was told of Heroic Tragic Tales Citizens Citizen Stocky for example. Destroy the battlefields These are universally known and are integral to the nation's story Australian identity and history cannot be separated for one. We're one in Gallipoli. In particular. In fact the day of the first lady in Gallipoli is commemorated as a national holiday Anzac Day Australia New Zealand. Army Corp it is Arbor Memorial Day and Veterans Day rolled into one beyond the remembrance. It also marks when Australia as a nation began to self identify and claim itself. It's more than a far flung on colony of the crown. There you have it. I don't know what I've added that letter. I just like to hear your great context and I'm glad we didn't screw thank God. Ah We always appreciate when our listeners share their thoughts recommendations. If you feel so inclined we can feature your response on a future episode to reach us. You can leave a short voicemail at seven seven three two three four nine seven three zero or emails at comments at next picture. Show dot net. That's it for this episode of the next picture show in our next episode. We'll come the beach for another forbidden couple with portability on fire. Look for that next Tuesday or better yet. Subscribe to the next picture. Show on Apple podcasts. spotify or your podcast of choice even better still union supporters on Patriot Patriot dot com slash. Next picture show find next. 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Mark Cousins and Women Make Film

Truth and Movies: A Little White Lies Podcast

33:51 min | 2 months ago

Mark Cousins and Women Make Film

"Hello there movie truth. Is Michael Leader back once again with one of these lockdown specials of truth and movies today? I'm joined by David Jenkins. Hi David. Hey there and David were doing something a little differently. So far had all these cozy conversations with the tweet lies contributors and friends. But we're going almost old school in a way we're going to cover a new release with an interview. Want say a little bit about what this interview is who it is what we're talking about today. Yeah we cut recovering a filmmaker and critic and artist and poet who has been around for for a fair fair while on these shows and We I'm I've enjoyed his work over many many years It's a mock cousins. Who many many of the old old school would have discovered as someone who did intros to movies on on Channel? Four on movie drome. I think he didn't eat. I think he did movie. Drome after Alex Cox I believe and and then he did. This great book called story film which was his kind of alternative film history and I think one of the things that he's always tried to do as a critic is offer a kind of counterpoint or counteractive to to traditional modes of of looking at film and film history and he has of later in his career so more recently moved into film and he's very kind of industrious. Filmmaker now has made pretty much has made a film year for the last ten years or so and the their mixture of essay films and quite of like looking at architecture film history and our archiving movies and that side of things and it's very global outlook on things and this latest project. He's got I think is maybe one of his his best things he's done it's code Women make film and IT'S A. It's a kind of let me let me just confirm how many chapters is because is a is a forty chapter epic series running to fourteen hours so each chapter runs maybe about fifteen twenty minutes and it is a kind of is basically a celebration of of women filmmakers but it but but not not not overtly Hyperbolic in that way. What it is is is is There is a little preamble at the beginning of each episode narrated by Tilda Swinton. Were which says you know. All the classics cinema are made by men. You look at the big canonical titles. And it's it's men men men hitchcock. It's hawks is Johnny. GotTa and his his his brief. This basis of himself is what if there was an utter? What if we looked at cinema history through films only made by women and so what we have is is is very much allied to the idea of the kind of DIY film school? So you know it's it's not like it's not like let's look at this director and look at what look at her life and what she data basically saying. Let's look at how let's see. How openings a depicted on film and here is here. Ten examples of great openings in films made by women directors and how how traveling shots made in films and how his death depicted in films? And how is the idea of discovery depicted in films? It's these very kind of primal concepts and the film just just brings them together very simply with like various people in a rating. Tilda SWINTON and you've got Jane Fonda in there as well and Kerry Fox and Sharmila Tagore big. Bollywood actress really amazing durations. From everyone who who really kind of invest themselves I mean Jane Fonda Narrating about you know quite obscure Eastern European art has directors is really a something of a revelation so Yeah I Spoke with mark over over the skype. Asked him a few questions about this. Kind of epic and Yeah he was he he was. He's glad to answer them. His his laptop did crash a couple of times. What during during the recording. But I think we've tried to paste over that with the the magic of editing. So hopefully you notice too much and you'll be whisked away by mark wonderful voice indeed indeed enjoy that as well let's have listened to your into with Mark Waugh Mark. Thanks so much again for taking time out to chat to us about your film. Women Make Film Europa and Yeah congratulations on is like It's been a joy to watch. It's very addictive film to find a pharmacy diving into it. And just doing our just do one more chapter just there and then it just kept going. I think the first question is about the first film that feature which is yes. This film called. We were young yes a Bulgarian film. Yes and I'd love to know. Could you just tell us must have been a big decision to choose to start on that film this this fourteen hour road movie? When you make a film you can either float in the way David David Lynch like she to or you can plunge in and I like to plunge in sometimes and I thought start with a film clip. That is visually exciting. And as you know it's too torchlight who that meet at night during World War. Two visually exciting but also by a filmmaker who isn't well known if I'd started with Jane Campion or on your fired our Kathryn bigelow people might have thought. Okay here. We go same old same old but if I started with a brilliant scene which is also by less. Well known filmmaker. I might capture your attention. Hopefully I say an concise just a the story about how you came across that film. I mean is this. Is this a film that you discovered from your research into making this or is this something you've nine about for a long time? I'd known about binker. Elliot's over for a long time but had seen very few of her films. One of her films has been on Youtube for some years is called the inflated Balloon. It's various titles but that's roughly it and I'd seen that David and I thought it was fantastic. Likud in a funny visually daring touches of Fellini etc. So I could tell. She was very good but Some of the rest of her work was very hard to see so I got the email address of the Bulgarian film archive and emailed a woman. There's a director a woman code them. Antoniak remember her second name and told her what I was doing. How much I admired jealous. Couvert there's also a short documentary about her on Youtube and within few weeks. A package of Blue Rays Kim and the archive had very nicely. Very copied a lot of films from me and that's sort of gold dust. That's the best Christmas present you can get and you watch our films into realized she had this fantastic career bulled daring visually gutsy baroque nibbling at cinema Chomping at it and that excited me. Do you must when that happens. You must ask yourself these this the the same refrain must be going through your head when you when you thinking. Why isn't this director? Well known? Why isn't this? Why isn't she on the criterion collection? And why don't people have? Wasn't she part of this of this wider conversation? I mean did did that. Did that happen a lot through this process? And you know you you come across the same answers and you know. Those of us have been interested in films directed by women have been coming across the same answers for decades. You know you know the usual ones that the critics are man etc. In addition if you're dealing with a filmmaker who came from the former former Soviet bloc a she did then there's a political sequestration as well. Some of her films had leftist meant managers. She was against the state in many ways but some of her films had left us messages and even despite the wonderful liberalism of the kind of artsy cultural world in cinema nonetheless. It didn't respond. Well to some Soviet era messages. And I think she was. She suffered she was tired with that brush. But also the you know the idea of the water back in the sixties. When she was working was really quite mail it was fully Nian. It was baron and it was people who men who were looking into male angst and the big sort of traditional philosophical questions. And so if you didn't fit you didn't fit and binker. Julia's couvert didn't fit can ask on that idea of of the O. Two I mean this this this. This series is focused on the idea of directors and this director as the creative God head of the project is I mean. Is this something that is is e believing. Is this something that you applied to the project What was the decision to focus on the director? Well yes as you mentioned and women make film. I don't let much at. I think of directors as visual thinkers. And that's the theme highlighted these women think visually hence there's there's nothing about music and there's nothing about you know signed designed for example because the director seldom did the music and seldom did the same design. So I wanted to focus on visual thinking because that's the bit that I understand most as a filmmaker. You know that's the bit that is the most exciting. That's what filmmakers talk about away. There's only other Berlin stuff is where I am. Frankly more moved by the sound and music and film but I not a musician and assigned designer. I'm a filmmaker and so what I try to stick to what I know. And that's filming and the director's still the central figure in a film and therefore I don't make any apology for starting with that. You know you could make another film the degrade screenwriters. The great editors are the great sign designers. Here women can ask what was what in this process of making this film. What was what were some of the biggest revelations for you in terms of discovery. Because I mean they're so much in this in this fill in theories that feels completely new and that you're just to you. This is a process if you'll discovery at the same time. There were loads of individual filmmakers. I hadn't seen caroline leaf son emissions league beautiful Canadian animations. I had seen some of Astra films but not something to her best. I'd only seen one Keno Tanaka film. You know she was a great actor. Nausea ADMITS GUCCI and lose classic Japanese films but I didn't realize that she was as good a director as she was an actor and so some names were entirely new to me. But in most instances. I'd seen some of these filmmakers work and I sort of haughtily assumed that if I'd seen them the best ones of their work mood have arrived on our shores are into my mind and of course that's not true. The very best to these filmmakers work would often was hardly available lots of discoveries real sense of discovery and on on that point also. I would say that I've always been a more interested in what I don't know than what I do. You know of all of never been one of those movie fans. He just watches the same films all the time. The same five hundred films becomes Your Comfort Zone. You're harbor I've always been far more interested in what I don't know in my own and other words I am what I'm not in a way And were there any like with their any subject? So were there any films that were in the in the price of making this they were kind of just completely inaccessible to you or DEF- if you're having having explored this area and and and these filmmakers was there anything that just alluded you. Yes as you know David in silent cinema. Most of silence has lost to there are great firms dragged by women from the silent era which we cannot see a yellow hopefully might turn up in some archive in in Siberia or something. But we don't know and beyond that. I have a very good producer In Glasgow Hopscotch producer John Archer and Clara Glynn. And they were able to get me a lot of stuff you know by whatever means what what what means. I don't know I think that some kind of mafia strong arming Gazon. But it also helps David. Did I have made things like the story of film which was shown very widely in many countries and therefore I have got a bit of a reputation as someone who can not only look into film but if I use some clips of a film it might get widely seen and that's attractive to somebody who has a print of something our owns material or owns a master tape or something so I think build some trust and they sort of our community and that helps to one of the things that is very striking from a visual perspective. I mean I had to watch this on on a computer because it's because obviously it's not not available to see on a screen at this at this moment. What striking is you? Watch a lot of documentaries. Now that contain archive footage of films and often. You know often beck a very occasionally see like bricks from Youtube. The very low grade and very of pixelated. And Blackie and what we're seeing all these extremely rare films and the quality is just pristine in you know most if not all cases and it's like that that for me was one of was one of the things that felt really incredible about this film that you've kind of gone through so much care and attention of events sourcing. High Quality Archive material and that my producers yeah nightmarish. They worked very very hard. You know and this is being released in Blu Ray for example and so we knew that we would be exposed if we use low quality material. I would say as a matter of principle. I will put a film in even if we can't get a good source copy for David because it's it's better to show the audience. Here's something great but we can't find a good copy of it. For example Annemarie scowls film El Camino Spanish film. We couldn't get good copy of that but we put it in as well to remind people or to put her name on the list and marriage. Great Movie Star turned director and even people in Spain I was in this cinematheque and and Madrid recently and even they hadn't seen her the films that she directed so that's an example of low quality footage. Maybe even from Youtube. But it's better to put it in as a place marker as I sort of Jacques. Cousteau the film world. Look at this director and look. We can't find a good copy. Would it be fair to refer to this as a counter history is that is that too negative thinking about about what? What is? You're doing here because it feels more. I mean if it feels a bit like that. I think that's pretty good. I would be happy with that. It's a mad. It's like pushing pushing the his the conventional history to one side. Imagine if this film sort of walking along the cattle walk and elbowing other film histories out of the way and say look at me. Look at look at this liquid. I am you know at something like that. It's certainly an affirmative work. It's it's it's born out of anger but also love of cinema. Hopefully you can feel that and yes it is trying to blame all of us including me and you and everybody in the culture for not knowing this material and it's not trying to make us feel guilty that we didn't know this stuff but it sort of saying look it's available it can be seen and definitely it's a counter cultural thing. It's in the form as well as the content. The content is a counter history. But hopefully I think the way that the films made is a bit unconventional as well and it's accounted counting errative kind of two levels in a way because it is showing us these these women artists who may not be a party to but then at the same time and see something that you're kind of well known for throughout your film and writing work is that we're seeing Geographically diverse and an and real effort to not focus on the kind of again many of Hollywood. Actually the are very global thing Wh where where does that in post come from? Yeah it's a good question. I mean I think that I come from a very small part of the World Northern Ireland. But I've traveled a lot and one of the big things that I did in. My Life is derived from here where I'm sitting Ni- Edinburgh to India across cross five months. And when you drive when you do big drives around the world or big walks around the world you start to feel that no is the center you get a sort of you know you think about somebody like Copernicus who who said he asked the simple question. What if if we are not? The center of Hollywood is not the center of cinema. What of the triangle isn't l. a. London Paris and it sort of isn't you know and particularly in cinema global language. It's almost a cliche to say that. But from the Times of Chaplin Films that were being seen everywhere I think this sort of implicitly quietly political aspect of that is that lots of countries now have leaders who are emphasizing national different and national exceptionalism etcetera. And so it's it's a good time to say look. This is a global story. Cinema is a single cinema. Lovers are a single global tribe. Said where you know and so even though you know I wasn't brought up in Japan even though I wasn't brought up in Iran there's something about their cinema which is mine and that's kind of rejuvenating I think. Do you feel that you have You've changed the way you watch films with. Wh when you're watching a film with say the in in the mindset of actually making of a bigger project like this defined. You're watching the films in a different way like you're enjoying them in. You'll be being more kind of forcefully analytical and an objective about them or can. Can you watch a film for Punch it like this and just think that was an absolute rip snorter? I WanNa Watch again you know. Yeah I know what you mean if I've got a project in mind if there's a specific thing I'm doing then I guess your mind scans the film looking for that particular thing in a free. Let's say if I was making a film about an feet. If I watched a film I would notice the feet scenes for example but more generally. I haven't changed much. I've been watching films for forty five years and I started clearly watching a boy and all. I wasn't a filmmaker. I didn't think I would become one but forty five years later. I still feel watch mostly in a on sense on filtered childlike like way I think as openness possible to the the kind of imaginative plentitude of the film more simple joy or the fund or the musicality or whatever and then as soon as the film finishes I find that my adult brain kicks in and as trying to trying to work out why I liked it or what was fun about it and I think that's a good way to watch. It means that you don't become snobby. I really don't like snobby film. People are like but. I don't like their taste just to be clear and so when film like cats came along the end of last year I watched it and I had an amazing time in the cinema and then I had to work either way so yeah. I think I still watch film similar to the way I do. Even though I'm a filmmaker nine even though some of my are cats it feels so different to everything else that when you've seen so much it almost becomes a piece of a wider puzzle yet. Yeah I think so. Cats fell to me like you know from acres of mood boards. We stick loads of things on a physical border. In an edit to say it should feel something like this and those things aren't expected to fit together or cohere and cats felt like most expensive mood board and movie the sweet. That's I think Tom who will be pleased with that. So one of the things that I've also what she's a little of. I guess additional documentary that you have made as part of the BLU ray which kind of explain some of the the process some of your thinking behind the creation of the film and one of the one of the the aspects of it is the seem quite shocking to me Is that you you you you said that you worked on film for quite a long time without any rent renumeration remunerations and yes yeah and innovation. That seems that seems mad. I mean wh what were your feelings for the reason behind that well you know. They're good and bad aspects of that. We tried to get some money for this film. But nobody but people didn't want to give us much. Producers are pretty brave and they thought it. We'll just do it anyway will stop. You can spend a lot of time with the begging bowl you know waiting for the green light but you realize that the green light might not come or does come at comes with loads of conditions so if we had had funding from say a TV company for this they probably probably would've said fourteen hours is way too long. They they might have said things like and we haven't heard of many of these filmmakers. Could you focus more in the more famous ones or the might have wanted us to focus more on Hollywood their conventional ways of doing this talking about making it a story of victimization for example or a chronological story and so the fact that we got not a penny of funding of external funding for years and years and years meant that we were free to do it our way when the film was first announced some people say. Oh who commissioned this you know what I was just sitting here laughing having mid the having been three years. In at this point commissioned and you know that might be people who don't know the film. World very well thank. You just. Don't do anything until somebody gives you a big pot of money. Then you live fatty lifestyle and make your film. But that's certainly not the way I work. I've got a very simple lifestyle. That meant that you know we could work without. We paid our editor producing my participate. The editor properly. Because you don't want to exploit anybody else it's okay to self exploit but not others and also you need to have the confidence in the work and we just played on and on and on for years This long before Weinstein happened or anything like that just to just in the basic belief that this was valuable and it was particularly valuable just to look at the work. David not tell stories of the lives of the filmmakers are. They're they're industrial difficulties because that they're better people to do that. And I think it's paid off because it's it's a this. This film won't did to because it's just the work. That's what people did on the Twenties. Thirties forties fifties sixties. It's a yeah I mean it. It it does. It does really baffles me. That something like this would that I don't know if feel so important from the outset that the to be able to have that freedom and creativity and the desire to want to actually tell her a slightly off kilter story or a new a new view on often told story that you'd have to take that route and I. It seems maybe the if that that could be a kind of wider story for a lot of more independent minded and create. Avar really And I think if you work if you work but if you work really really cheaply they had been filming. I take my camera. Everywhere been filming for decades and so got thousands of shots on my computer so it means that you make something like this if you want driving shots on yours you know. There are lots of driving shots quite a few of them. Were on my computer. Or my producers at Sam and we bought some in so didn't have too much actual physical travel for this one so it was made relatively cheaply again when you work on low budgets you as a consequence of that you buy your intellectual liberty and your creative liberty and so it paid off well and this film has sold all around the world more than anything. I've ever done or like a American. Tv's go really big with it. It's already had big impact in Brazil and finish TV bought. I think scores if not one hundred films directed by women to play with it you know and so lots of India China Russia etc. You K still hasn't bought it for TV but we are in a particular moment in the UK where you know because of Brexit etc where we're quite inward-looking in some ways I think Yeah no you're right. That's that's kind of tragic. I hope people do see and I wanted to. I guess final question than like while you were doing this we were you make. Lots of movies are you. Were you making other movies at the same time as this was a love? You know I love working. I love the energizing. Effective of trying to be creative and think are particularly question to form. What's the shape of the film? That's my central excitement. You know and so yes. I've just finished another film but the great film producer. Jeremy Thomas which will be coming available soon. We hope depending on what happens after lockdown and have been working. I'd been working at the same time in two other films which I haven't I I shouldn't say anything about no no. That's good to have that secrecy. I was I was wondering. Will you like because a lot of the films? You make you make documentaries you make. I guess you'd call them like so poetic essay films as well and I wondered. Is there ever been a desire to go into the kind of fool for fiction on a set with big collaboration with other people movie yet? Well Yeah I mean. I've done some of that as I'm sure you know. I made a phone call. I am Belfast. And some of the scenes in that had you accrue thirty and extras I think sixty big technology and a made what I think is a fully functional film Stockholm my love with Neneh Cherry for example. So and my first the very first films short films that. I did in my early twenties actors scripts and things so I have done some but it's the gray area it's the sort of. It's the overlap between fiction and documentary. You know the sort of the sort of documentary that aren't reporters for example or aren't sociology or Art News. You right as you rightly. Say the bits of documentary that shade into Satan more poetic area. That's what really fires my imagination and he. He's a crazy question. Which I think I probably know the answer to but would you? If you got someone like a Hollywood producer knocking down your door saying would you make this movie I do? You have interest in becoming a you know. Could you be a director for hire? I've been offered quite a few times. You know sort of more conventional bigger budget films and I just said No. Because I know a lot of filmmakers and I've sat with filmmakers who did the Hollywood thing and they are you know shadows of their former selves. And I want to be. I want to be making a lot and I want to concentrate on the creative process as much as possible and I don't want to spend years in development hell and push production hell in marketing. Hell so been offered really very large sums of money to direct. But I've said a very polite. No wow well mark. Thank you so much. Congratulations again on the film. I hope many people as possible here go out and buy the BLU ray. So is available on Blu Ray and it's going to be on the streaming streaming on bfi player. Yes and then it'll come as you can imagine onto the bigger stream it'd be able to be streamed and more conventional ways quite soon and on TV soon. I'm sure fingers crossed. Thanks so much. Have a lovely rest of DI. It's lovely you David until your day thank you so that was David talking with mark cousins about his new release. Women Make Film. David is out now. Well coming out soon. I think by the time he hit this podcast. It should be out on five player and As I mentioned interview. Yeah it's probably going to be on other platforms fairly soon after that. So should be widely available. Is Benjamin Thing Watch all in one big time big time I mean I I was very I? I think I watched in about four three hour chunks and it's very kind of It's very therapeutic. It's very like you just I think one of the great things about is that he very rarely uses the same like the same films appear occasionally but not very often so like with each little chapter. You're you're making like two or three quite so of major discoveries or at least at least when you're watching the films you feel like he just there are so many instances where you think I absolutely have to see this in some way and a lot of them are very probably extremely tough to try down so you know as as as we said I mean you hope that that something like this will act as a kind of first port of coal for for for for up further maybe distributors. All of you know did BLU ray labels or you know streaming channels to to actually kind of pluck these films out of obscurity by the the fact that there are a host of films playing alongside. This is a kind of cure curated extra so they will be under charities for people to to watch to so dive in to deep dive out with. I remember He. He did around his documentary. The story of children and film was a whole touring program with some of the great deep cuts. Now I think that's one of the best things about his work is not you? See the dock and often these other films earth alongside traffic. I think yeah. He's definitely like you know he's I think there is so much advocacy in his work. And it's not as never done kind of in a way that's like it's very earnest the way it's done and I don't mean that in a negative way. It's very very very sincere. His the way he kind of advocates for cinema and I think we gotta just to put we. We should not look what he's doing is In any kind of cynical way right. It's interesting what he says about getting scripts to make other films who's WHO's approaching. Mark cousins to make movies is he. Was he in the running to make venom to I? Think when you when you when you've made when when you've proven yourself to be able to to make movies and get behind cameras and Nino work with actors and he says he has made things like on a bigger scale before and you know in his youth. He's made like shorts. And so you know he does have this technical know-how so you know people that's rare and people need that and He you know he's he's a man with vision. Yeah I think that's something to put the lessons listeners. Letters no at the usual channels. What projects you would put cousins to take on next? That would be at truth and movies on Twitter. Truth and movies at Tcu. London DOT COM. There's also the comment section at L. D. realize dot com slash podcast. Dave thank you so much for talking with me today and also for bringing us this interview. No worries i Mike Leader and as always. This has been a seven digital production.

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Truth & Movies at the International Film Festival Rotterdam: Dispatch Three

Truth and Movies: A Little White Lies Podcast

29:02 min | 6 months ago

Truth & Movies at the International Film Festival Rotterdam: Dispatch Three

"Hello the movie truth is is Mike Alita here with a third dispatched from the International Film Festival Hidden Too Damn Broadcasting Out of podcast corner near the Bar and coffee point in the Doolan so excuse any hubbub in the background. But today I'm sitting thing with analyze it and David Jenkins say how would you in gang not bad feeling fresh. Yeah keep keeping the flame alive. You know like it's cold outside right but Stain woman the sentiments so this will be our final dispatch from the festival indeed. So it's an opportunity for us to reflect pick up some highlights. David would you have anything comes to mind Yeah I mean. I've I've had a fun just in general of had a super fun time here I mean I think that there there is so much. There's so much going going on any one time that you can see you know. Is that kind of theme park vibe. While you kind of you know you've got limited time and you got to really give it over to the things that you want to do. And and I was really pleased to catch catch up with a film that played in Ken last year could liberty by the Spanish director Albert. Sarah who he is if anyone has ever seen him Rl Is he's quite a character. He see he's kind of Spanish Dandy date and Sinophile who is He talks a lot and he came in. He came yesterday to do it in the film. And you kind of felt. Wow how this could be talking forever. If there wasn't a shepherd's crook dragging him off and his film is it's kind of a dirge is probably really the word to use. But I don't necessarily mean that in a negative way is is one night in a forest lit by the moonlight as various Eighteenth Century French nobility and courtesans are basically dogging in the in the in the moonlight And and I don't remember that top of that but I I. It's it's people looking at each other and like this kind of the so sexual interplay. That's happening and did this. This people getting ready to release these very extreme pent-up desire is in in various extreme ways. Yeah I used the word extreme twice there is definitely Relevant for this film But it's it's it's it's it's cutlass really hypnotic quality to it and You just sort of A. It's a mood and atmosphere and there's this vague storyline storyline and Intrigue Company in. The background is never really that more important than at sheets watching these these kind of quite so of conventionally ugly ugly bodies I I would say that. Certainly the men have so self consciously in a paunchy glynn like you know playing with the bits and talk for a long time we. There's lots and lots of shots of of guys stood there with a kind of slightly pained expression in rubbing they growing by looking at something. And it's it's okay. I think there's lots to be said and written about this movie by believe it's going to be coming in London in May so London. London is listening. We'll get a chance to to experience it and and you know potentially walkout because it's it's a walkout walking out kind of movie that's liberty. Yes Ah sort of recommendation from day one I was. I'd say I feel definitely got it. I was thinking what it would be amazing installation multi the camera installation dates. Where you kind of stand in the middle and have have all these people around Gillette looking at you as you stood in the gallery and that kind of rubbing the bits and uh-huh okay you can choose which which escapade you to walk venture yes choose your sexual adventures okay terrific Allah whatever highlights? Have you seen some that. I really really loved that I saw yesterday is called Las Fantasma by Sebastian Chen. Lonzo is from Guatemala. And what's interesting is that apparently there is no some industry in Guatemala and director Is from Guatemala. But he basically. He studied in London and the London Film School and like the film is made by all these people that he like. I've just friends over people that also director is also from school that he met and feel Mejias movies together. And it's what I really liked about. It is that it's Is just so atmosphere. Eric's like cinematic like just. A filmmaking is so brilliant because there's so many things like a shot for example a long still shot shot on the landscape of the sitting Guatemala and like that's such a template of art house movies especially like South American movies but then he will just pan how and and show something else and it just feels like such a smart way of lake undermining expectations and things on a purely like visual usual. Cinematic sound design is also good but I I just been formerly like so freely. And at the end of the film he came to like do to Q. and A. and he said the film is about this and this and I was like yes it is about this but that's not what I was thinking about. I wasn't like Oh this is about this like about these big ideas. I was like it actually. Doesn't it didn't really matter to me. What victim of the theme was because I was like just so attached to those characters and really interesting play with perspectives throughout the film? Like with this guy was like this really beautiful man which certainly helps and then we meet some people and we stay with them for a bit and it sort of so called for all these characters is just a a constantly interesting film that always doing something new and and at the end yeah. I don't know if to me it didn't really add up to something like re meaningful by big ideas. But I didn't matter it was more like real life like you. Just enjoy being in it and watching it and in leaving it and it was just so thrilling brilliant enough. That title Lost Fantasma from Guatemala Police at festivals. I think it should be because it's absolutely Britain tastic. I'm going to mention a film. We we did talk about on the previous episode. Which is Betty Gordon Variety? A real treat to come into film festivals. I know it just seems comes film festivals. See New films but I love going and seeing a rep screening and I'd heard good things about variety and it completely exceeded all expectations expectations. This film about a young woman in the early eighteen filled in the New York who takes up a job as a ticket seller in an adult movie theater just off Times Square and she develops a relationship with one of the punches that that becomes this almost exploration of desire and a and identity and subversions of themes of from film noir as she starts to follow this man may be linked to the mob whilst also developing developing her own new identity and persona as an amateur detective or something like that really fascinating film and I love how films of that period carried in New York. Become almost documentaries of what appreciation New York look like. It's such a time capsule of a scene. The score in particular is by John John Lurie who POPs up in all sorts of Jim Jarmusch films but I love his his jazzman guys as the from the lounge lizards his saxophone. Playing is just like no other with a sort of scusi norrish jazz. And it's just brilliant. I I'd love to watch it and double Bellwood Jane campion's in the cut which has a similar sorts of psycho sexual the danger strip desire to a theme running through women sort of almost confronting that desire whilst also following dangerous men. Absolutely wonderful sir. Nice also about like women confronting the desire of men which I really like. Because usually you're like in a movie you mostly like the guy is. Is The woman inches just dad and here's like like she's aware that she's being desired. This man and she's confronting inches interested in that but she's also having own she's not just like a victim of you know She's like she has some agency of it and every like this awareness of the characters and it has some wonderful if the wall scenes. She has a relatively white bread sort of on off boyfriend. That's the comes out comes back now and then she starts to really make them feel uncomfortable in all sorts of break the realism of the film. where she goes into long monologues explicit sexual tales and you just watch him squirm and about yeah female desire on screen and it's a great film and we saw it Saturday night in the Cinerama which is a beautiful old cinema here in Rotterdam? That's a nice venue season in ghetto. And I I love the costing if Sarah McLeod as the night as the as the main is the main protagonist film. She's as you say she's fairly she got this really really great Innocent vibe to her like she she that they could have cost someone who doesn't necessarily look like she'd be the person who would accept a job in an opponent cinema. Pay I I mean. It's kind of like emphasize idea of like necessity necessity and get you have to take this job and accept the reality of the situation Russian. A makes transformation feel more more interesting. I'm more subversive time. There's a lot to who conversations between women and she talks about working that movie theater and will like I mean it's a job you have to do the job but whenever she tells a man. Very shocked and disgusted stood by like. Why would you do that? You can do anything else and all the women are like. Oh yeah you have to like make. Some money will really understanding. It's yes. Get young a young Louis. Louis Guzman I roll long before the his films in the Ninety S. I hi central yeah. He's fantastic as the porter cinnamon variety in a strong recommendation so this is our last dispatch. We're we're all GONNA be shipping back to the UK pretty soon but the festival does go on until the second of February and the as we said before dozens of films showing any one time. So are there any films from the back half of this program that we are at a sorry. We've missed. We'd recommend people found David. I guess one film The I'd be quite had my shedule allow I would have been quite keen to see a film code special actors By the director Shin Chiro Raider who is who who recently delighted alighted me with his film one of the dead amazing which which is which was a kind of something? I came very late after seeing seeing it kind of praised. Highly by lots of people you saw it in the cage across long period of time and And Yeah this this. This film looks like a similar setup of similar idea of like deconstructing the idea of filmmaking and acting performance and doing it in a kind of like comic toad but with India intellectual undertow to it. so yeah I. I'm just gutted I'd going to see that at this time going on the list. He absolutely has won a direct to the. I'll see anything. Thanks next because one cuts. The Dad was one of the most surprising prizing and delightful films the last couple of years. I think yes. I'M GONNA go talk to that film have liked not watch because it's just it's just Zombie Film. I don't WanNA watches by low budget. Zombie Igwe try and like grab the by the pels and shake the Vince. They lights north on base and if it was should watch the film. I'm sad to miss to stay with. Japanese cinema is the new film by Nobody Kobayashi. Who List no he in the seventies made an absolutely brilliant billions pseudo horror film and Japan how sue and he still kicking? He's still going as made a three hour long movie called Labyrinth of cinema. Let me quote from the program here. It's IT'S A in which a cinema becomes a time machine and transport young people to several crucial moments in Japanese history and it is apparently very colorful wacky off the wall film realm. That'd be the thing spending three hours without I'd like to do. Eleanor Theo. You'd recommend sort well actually. I'm not going to miss it very WanNa talk about it because it sounds Britain later today so there won't be a dispatch ballot. It's a movie from Belgian called Haunt which sounds really interesting centers centers on a young man who is just out of prison. Because he's a pedophile and who movie is about Apparently attorney I mean. I haven't seen it yet. I'm really excited. There's a one word again film festival lakes Yup and the whole movies about this guy who is not a bad person when he has these impulses and desires that he is disgusted by and he wants to get over them and I just love the idea of like a movie about this from the perspective of someone. Who's like that there was? This movie will do woodsmen. We've starring Kevin Bacon. But that was that was quite like Sundance Indie. Quite not not very well done but this sounds like he's actually quite a psychologically complex in filmmaking is apparently quaker quake cleaning and lovely so yeah. I'm looking forward to that plenty of work on there. So I suppose in a fitting way to wrap up these dispatches we've got some special time with Directions Festival Barrow Bear David. Could you set up this interview and who his line. We should be artistic. The director of the festival has been frick liaised now and he said he still trump's seems to have transformed there are also taking the festival of Mount tragedy to mold a little He he streamlined. All the various strands within the festival one of the interesting things about about role to dam. Which which which I love is that you have these various strands in the festival? He had like deep focus and bright future and the voices Ben's and each within each one has a little bit. They're a little time subcategories at the one of the things that this great about this festival is there. There's no hierarchy to them. There's no like this this is the this is the main one that you should be focusing on this this this of slightly less smaller one that you may be. It should be that interested in for the half light. Equal billing is no like. There's no kind of we lift out. We lift the competition and make that put all our focus on them be. It's insults programming. Says I should be watching these films films. Are that golfers or special presentations interesting interesting. It's like yeah. This is a real sense of like everything is equal in this image festival. No no films apprised of others in terms of having big and at big glitzy treatment and it just it just means I one of the things. Is this amazing about this festival. It's like you know you go to a film like liberty where you kind of thing you know when it when it gets a release it's GONNA probably struggle to get people through the door on such such a premise and the fact that it's like two that was but Yeah I mean this was this eyesore in five hundred seat cinema packed to the Brim. You know very very few workouts I I saw and you know people people stayed right. The end in applauded and engaged with with with the direct we came in with a Q.. And A. and just feels like the the audience is really like out for a here and and I and I think it's because like the program makes it easy for them to like discounted discussion style. take take a gap on things. So yeah this is Barry Okay. I'm hey with Barrow. Baya al going. I would director of the film. International Filibuster Rotterdam. Sorry to have to put so bluntly I'm still ongoing. I'm going the crazy every day every from early morning. The nine o'clock screenings till midnight and then the wee hours when the filmmakers come together and discuss amongst themselves with the audience what they af just seen and blew their minds or inspired them or make them angry I might be ongoing but I'm still enjoying every last frame and every last meeting think of this festival I just call e just come out of a doing an intro to fill. Yes we certainly sounds fascinating. His is the ordinary ordinary heroes. Heroes Program yes. This was a program we kept to the last perspectives program where we wanted to see Meta programs and we have one on collectives for instance but this one one. It's about Hong Kong and filmmakers neutrally the two directors James Long Lena just stepped off. The plane are still working on this ongoing documentary because because they're literally filming and tried to express through cinema. What it's like to be in Hong Kong at the moment you know this supposed a political go stay British put it? It's just economy. Well we have shown it's quite opposite and filmmakers not just now but also in the past have been finding forms to express percents so to be able to stream huge films like uncut gems or in the lighthouse and Simpson. All Nice but to be able to raise attention for a program like that I have four. Houses gives huge energy D thing. There is a kind of strategy in your programming. Way Way you almost using these big films as Trojan Horses Awesome for the the smaller one. No no no I don't I actually. I really resent that idea resented to say here's something you'll like because it's easy. We now eat vegetables. That's not how the audiences work no if we show a great film or something that's been huge already like parasite it's because we believe whatever. The director or directors are doing as relevant to the core of what the festival stands for in terms of expression or freedom of expression of looking at films. Aren't I having something engages the audience and something. That was a bit of relevance also to one of means to be a human being whether you wrote to them or Angola or Philippines or Mexico one of the things that was a provocation by the way. Because I wanted to say that one of the things I really think is great about its festival. And we've already talked about Alpo. Cost is decided that the the the strand structure the developed in your in your in your tenure here is. It's it's it's a it's a great level. It's it's away to the puts all the films on and middle the strands on equal pegging. So it red light that there's a feeling unlike his among the festivals where you have said tiers the importance this this is a unique feels unique in the everything has its own place in. It's it's given the same focus and relevance swell. Thank you that makes me very happy. Put a lot of effort and making sure of all the five hundred and seventy three films that we showed that each and everyone deserves I than spotlight. The attention and context right audience. Whoever that may be sure we have a competition? And that's like a main thing of the festival instable but it doesn't matter whether you're bright future for that's more vanguards discovery films or you're in deep focus for more sin the Falcons each and every film has its Own Impact and should have its own. We're kind of egalitarian. And that way and we tried to make this work throughout the festival. Also that if you'll hang out in the bar are you speak to the director. That's on the same battlefield. You can just say I loved your film or just could you please explain to me. What the F. You're actually trying to do and both fine and the filmmakers notice and they respect this as a way of? I Dunno celebrating cinema for what it's supposed to be rather than the I dunno Colosio Dope and Pakistan sell a product and I'd also one of the things that rotted Amazon has been famous for and the you have an Hans Fed since you've been here is is is the the idea of the diversity. Programming as well like Rotterdam is always been known for being very open when it comes to like bringing bringing meanwhile together with it was an easy toss fee to do that. No because it's always been the core of the festivals we have this tiny little fund the humane but balls fund named after a founder. Basically we ask rich people. We've backed for money and then we give it to what used to be called to third world but it's our excuse to be in touch with filmmakers maker from places where there's no other infrastructure for films. It's what we do. It's sort of the core of what we do. So the recent developments that have spoken suit brought more attention to the need for diversity the need for multiple voices and perspectives. You know finally everybody's caught. aww This is what we think is totally relevant. We did this amazing thing just now In the new institute where there's a huge installation Makoma collective that brought something that we think natural to include an a film festival. It's a huge. Rt Exposition of spirituality commits free black children. It's a logical place within the festival and to say well okay next file out some boxes and account people and see how our percentage of the vision is. We don't do that to be honest. That quota thinking goes against the grain. I don't Wanna I have to ask a filmmaker. Okay now Phil in this sheet. What do you feel like? What is your minority? What is her sexuality and what is your? How do you identify yourself? You made a film. We'll show the tone and by going back to the same core that the festival stood for always may be amplified a little bit that becomes the wealth of cinema as they're also next to you know whatever serialized popcorn content. We get another pet Fox can ask you question can you. Could you send your mind by do you remember the best. Rotterdam you ever attended the I I would say yeah was still an art school back then. Hear nothing I'm actually trying to become a visual artist. This didn't turn out that well how to produce that something else The energy there was an energy to and the Hilton where we do our talks masterclasses. That's now That used to be the main office of the festival and I was working at volunteer driving cars. But that's not important what I was doing doing unique drive. Well you know filmmakers struggling filmmakers the only star I ever had in. The car was starring in a film called heavenly creatures by Peter Jackson. It was Kate winslet's now very nice. Slept all the way. We didn't have a conversation. She was dead tired but amazing. Really nutritious but the energy. The room was tangible. There was something of creative energy. That is hard to describe unless you're action here which is very very different from any other festival Often into quite a few by now but it sort of gives you the spark to say be part of this. Can I help somehow can tell my friends a couple of years later or it's hard to learn how to make comes myself turned into a producer around and that kind of going going back to that yes. Certain in the freshman festival is over. You have a month and then we're no well there. There's there's one element of the festival experience for me personally. It's not personal. It's usually the end work. Yeah the films are there. We get to see working versions and it's good or not like it and selected online but that's sort of the end of often a year long process so those elements elements of the pro section where we discuss project and development. I really feel Kintu that having been a producer. I like the process just as March when things are just an idea when sparks are still being discussed and can still be anything total failure or a massive beautiful tone And I guess going to the film fund I I can put my money where my mouth is and relate to that element of so you've you've written and produced. We didn't have a direct now. You should should see my graduation film from arts. Coal do not direct But it doesn't matter. You know a filmmaker or producer or a collective or how you work. We've been too focused on the one person. Maybe sometimes I mean if a single visual artist has one single idea that can be beautiful. But it's almost always a collective process this and if there's a person in the back that you don't WanNa see electron that's fine but I love that element of being you know at the infrastructure of making something happen taking taking all the blame when things go wrong and you know just be smiling smugly in the background things go right I so my last question to you is like a lot of our listeners. Are they're very recreates. If people who they want to make movies and they want to be part of the film festival world and allow them probably would would be keen on programming Films as well and being being Involved in festivals like today may be one day. Could you in with the infinite wisdom give give give listens uphill from mealtime title is the director. Well I have even better news than that because We don't just spend attention as a festival towards the filmmaker or the producer. Talking to make films we think the appreciation of cinema involves many more facets including critics. We have a program for many years now. Pulled the young critics program where people actually from all over the world. Come here and start to learn what it's like to be a critic. Well first of all you will never get paid but still you learn about cinema. Some of those people are actually programming for the festival right now if gainey used to be a young critic who is not running. The Toronto Sectional Cinema is has been a young critic and this year we started and with something which is specifically for young curator's not just and two ways by the way we had a we said let's make one team program and it's just get an outside young creator go wild. Just do whatever you want to do. You can fail doesn't matter here's some money. We'll try to make it work for you. Boom it's their sacred beings But we also on top of that wanted to make use of all the people that are here that are usually very sharing with their experiences. So we devise a program called sessions every every morning. There's like workshops on select group of Tony Turn Five people speaking about the value and the need of curation out to go about making sense of this ocean of Ms is read at a certain point becomes beautiful. It's here because all those elements manner if you're focused on I wanna be the visual artists or the director it. Whatever routes you take can help you just watch films experience the art New People and sooner or later you might be running the greatest film festival anyway? Thank you so much for your time baron. Congratulations on five glories. Thank you so much thank you. And that was David talking with Barry. Bayer the director of the festival the architects of the structure of the program. But David this is his final year. Isn't it so. He's going to be replaced next year. Yes and as the one of the new on Vanya Keller jet which is going to be coming next year. She's she's already doing the rounds around here this year Meeting people of Your Gaga's sensitive festival. I think he's taking over something. That simplisafe good shape. I think it's always fun to be making selene. Great even better search for that's going to be a fun toseh- night it feels that the kind of festival rule that is willing to take risks. Do Interesting things and give give artistic directors a sense of A bit of extra control when it comes to like doing the things they want and moving in said durations. Hopefully Dalby case for terrific and this has been international film festivals. wrote down for us. It's been great thanks guys. It's been an absolute pleasure broadcasting who listeners. I hope you've been enjoying episodes as well. David thank you for joining joining me. Thank you. I'm Mike. Leader always been a seven digital production.

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95: Spe-Shes

"Welcome one welcome all welcome you do yours and marchers to the beat of any drum at starbucks. We know that wellness has a lot more to to do with finding your unique journey than following the latest trends. That's why we have something for every taste every craving every mood and every you you like our new coconut milk law Tei an almond milk honey flat white because not journeys are the same and what makes it right is that it's yours. Welcome tonight call a production of our heart radio it. It's one of the Sahara Motor Hotel. And you're listening tonight. Call Hello and welcome to night. Call a podcast for your strange days and lonely nights my name. Is Emily Yoshida. I'm here in Los Angeles and with me as always are Molly Lambert and has lynch. We got a night call. I guess everybody's just really amped for the new Sofia Coppola movie which is called on the rocks I think it's going to be her. Uncut gems this is my early prediction. But we got an email from done Just you know looking back at the career of so cope and it says hello night call. April is the twentieth anniversary of Virgin Suicides. And I thought it would be a good occasion to talk about Sofia Coppola a-list debut. Do you have any connection or fond memories with the Virgin suicides. Book film or Soundtrack was it a part of your teenage years or did you find it later on as a guy guy. I'm curious what a group of women think about it. I didn't watch it until I was in my twenties but the dreaming US and Dullness Talca. hypnotize me to the point where I immediately read the book. Don thanks for the email Don What what when did you guys leave? Urgency's I did you see it when it came out or not in the theater. Yeah I think I saw it right when it was released. Based on video I had read The Book Jeff Gianetti's book. You would read it before. Came Out I think I probably read it like after the movie was released but before I saw it right and they hugest. I think emily is a fan of white the virgin suicides like tolerable of Sofia. Coppola movies I mean if anybody doesn't know I'm a number one Sofia Coppola hater so I come into this with a bit of it. Sounds like I can't be as much much of a hater is emily so I'm trying to think of my friend. I think it's hard to separate one's feelings about Sofia Coppola from the fact that she's like the only female filmmaker of that era and that class of directors that got anything made so well. She wasn't the only female the phone maker era. There was Jane campion. No I know but I mean like of the like Spike Jones. Like of the music video crew. She was sure you know. The real gender sirs so I think she definitely Is Not my favorite actor but I think thinks she gets probably. I don't know I mean I think she's just she's kind of a visual Stylus writing more than plot and dialogue person I also don't don't like Antonioni. Movie is right same. You know I just. I don't love moping around fashioning movie yes I don't mind fashiony movies but I think like as a purely stylistic exercise like as a debut as they like very memorable like visual will debut. I think that virgin suicides like creates a lot of Sofia Coppola mythology that lasts and like gives her like. There's a lot of charitable feelings feelings towards her. I think largely because of this film because it was such a like it looked. He didn't really look like anything else at the time. And it didn't really feel a little probably also like a teenager at that time women like to aware of being marketed to teenagers. There's that for sure. CRM tween so it was all like very cool. I think I was more impressed. I I think I also just was like. Why is this like more interesting looking woman like just because it became a theme in her work as it went on like why are you so obsessed with like Florida and blindness? Yeah like again. The all male directors make movies about. That's like the whole like hitchcock thing and like species we're GonNa talk about right or is very much about that but I feel bad for her in a weird way if that let me so sad she always like why is she so sad like she has everything and all her movies are about like how like you can have all this material wealth with Nick. Does it make you happy which is like not the least interesting thing for movies to be about. Sure it's just over and over and over again. I mean this is the last time she'll do middle class until lingering. I'm going to say again though then. I read easy. Riders Raging Bulls and I was like man though. Seem like difficult. Parents wants to have an stressful to have parents. That are like DAB so famous like I think there's something about the people that you have. NBC Four because you're like their lives are so charmed everything must be so great and lake. We'll maybe that's why she made the Virgin Suicides. Is it someone being like their. Their lives are so charmed. Everything must also. Her brother died in a boat accident. Her life is not without tragedy. And obviously when I think about it I'm like a lot of the rich kids kids that I knew growing up really horrible family lives and like a lot of inner conflict and trauma and it did seem like oh they have all these material things but like. It's doesn't seem fun. Sure I did you guys all read the book. Have you read the book. Read the other. Jeffrey jetties book the Marriage Plateau. uh-huh God with what you guys are. You guys went to Brown. Yeah Yeah you're like you're going to lose the love triangle. To David Foster Wallace. I read a lot of Jeffrey. Janati is and was never was never like wow. This is my author was like but you must keep going and I'm not sure why I think for whatever reason he was very much pitched as like if you're young and you like are interested in literature than like Jeff South. Yeah Yeah it's like it feels youthful so it's like I don't know I I did read Virgin suicides and I think I liked the book very interested to know I thought about it now. I it's very into the like middle class. Yeah I never read Middlesex. I only read this man and marriage. Plot Agha's I don't know there is something like I don't inherently think like oh it must be bad because it was told from the point of view these boys like. I don't know that it would be more interesting if it was told from the point of view view of the girls. especially if a guy wrote it you know like I. I don't know I I am all conjecturing because I haven't read it since I was in the Internet movie in a way to because it was like a perfect movie for getting condensed down to chips. And Tumbler I mean that's all tumbler is is probably like maybe a little burnt out on it because in a way. Hey that might not be totally fair to it. I think it has its moments and Kirsten dunst discreet. It also introduced. I feel like it was early on the wave of the big back to thousands of static trend of handwritten kind of scrawl as design graphic designers. Absolutely yeah like whatever it was like ahead of its time in some ways on on that regard so like I don't hate it and again it did begin the long amazing string of performances by Kirsten. Dunst really you depressed. Girls we love right. Yeah culminating in melancholy So which also I hated by the way really yes. We should do a whole Kirsten we could do a Lars von trees. Well slight light spoiler alert. We might have a patriotic mini series Coming or not mini series but ongoing series where we might be explore such things so if if you have any thoughts about Sofia Coppola we'll take them for all time. I'm always here I vehicle Yeah I I like kind of waiting with baited breath about whatever this movie. The best thing about this movie. So far the new movie with Bill Murray in it whatever that doesn't narrow it down at all bilberry plays the guy who's based on her dad's supposedly Rashida Jones plays the character based on her. It's like it's about like having a fucked up dad. Yeah Yeah I mean I see it somewhere Somewhere secretly good. That's I feel like I wear is real bad. I kinda liked some of the whole thing. I thought that exciting with the cool with cool. I think I've said this before but my parents were watching the news. He's he's not detective and they were like. Who is this actor Stephen Door fresh young face? The one thing about somewhere that I'll always remember and it's also like one of my many pet peeves with lost in translation. Is that like she either. needs to go to a strip club or stop doing scenes with strippers and then because she does not want to be out of a lot of directors is true. Well some people do it for ratings reasons. TV reasons like have you ever seen a Michael Bay movie like those strippers or just like wall to wall to to be there. Yeah well only true depiction is the bottoming out of truly realistic depiction of the day shift left. Yes of anything. Yeah just like standing around kind of overly air conditioned room of CCB looks really sweaty. It'd be Kinda drafty and just smell. It kind of stale stale beer. I agree with the smell for sure. We've all experienced the bottom which we should do Sopranos Paul. Oh we should do. Sopranos Paulista Seinfeld to that later episode. But we'll be right back with more talk about the fancier Sofia Coppola the children of Hollywood royalty daughters of Hollywood. The New Year is upon us. which solutions do you plan to conquer? And Twenty twenty become more remindful or create a healthier lifestyle through diet exercise and of course improved sleep. 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It is the official premiere of the group. Laugh on Netflix. I did get up at seven o'clock to watch just two episodes where the Gwyneth paltrow. We don't have to do anything you do it for actually yes like in the show. Oh Yeah you just sit back and get all experienced the second hand Although I think she does something she talks about doing like. MDA and Mexico on on on the episodes. I'm like anniversary party Yeah so group which is going to Paltrow's lifestyle brand which she has had since two thousand eight is now They now have a show on Netflix. which is just like six episodes? It's not very extensive. I I was actually surprised. How few episodes they did where they kind of just like field test although wacky wellness treatments and and experimental whatever's that they kind of hype on the site although it's way more I think it's the site in the newsletter? Tends to be more about like food food and like objects like doodads like healthy being a lot of like the hotels you stay out when you're in London for a few months that yeah there's that aspect aspect to it to you I mean the chiltern firehouse is great. You have to be a member but of course I am. Don't you have a pizza oven in your backyard. Yeah that was one of the early things she got shipped for was was oven. Trolling now she is well. That's the thing about the show. Kendall was was trolling and like this whole show is going to be true. It is well. It's it's definitely trafficking in the more extreme aspects of goop. Ling's she gets more. Like flack for I feel like here's what I think. GOOP is the Joe Rogan for women. She's like oh I'm not saying I approve disapprove just like letting you see this insane same thing about all that offensive but not this. Not that offense. Yeah I think like you don't think she's like endorsing snake oil or like sonic they really. Don't there isn't fact or I need to get it off of my phone but there is a disclaimer at the beginning of each episode. The basically says this is not actual medical advice. This please consult with the doctor which is always funny whenever I see those which kind of blanket disclaimer. That used for a lot of things. I'm like who has a doctor because most people don't because insurance is insane in America but It's definitely more on the lake more experiential and I guess because it's a show show that's just stuff that films better and it feels like an NFL. Marshall no no not at all FEELS MR Rogers Weird Way. Just because it's just like we're GONNA sit and we're GONNA learn about something and I think I don't know the first one that I watch which I think is the first episode and whatever there's no real order to them but the first one is about Therapeutic uses of suicide mushrooms. I was SORTA surprised that they did mushrooms. Instead of Iowa Ska because the show me bowl vomiting. I guess so Well her assistant is one of the people who goes on this trek to go do the mushrooms and he had already already done Iowa Scott before and had a really bad experience on it so he was sort of talking like wanting to have a more gentle trip. Or whatever but Where did he go to do the mushrooms Peru just asking the mushrooms they went to Jamaica Oak? And there's this group that she talks to mushrooms legal in Jamaica. Yes apparently or it's like unregulated. Right Night Call Jamaica. Sounds like something everybody will come home from very alive and in great our our summer super thrillers. Special that's the ten thousand dollar patriotic goal and call Jamaica. We'll go to make engines mushrooms forever. Yeah if you pay for us we will Yeah so she talks to this group called maps which is they do like Kind of very regulated therapeutic Dick Applications of like MDA and mushrooms. And I don't know they didn't mention I o Osco but I feel like that has to be a part of it is I just like I feels. It's like the elephant in the room of this episode. Because that is to me like the Buji Lady thing that you do to like for. Maybe they've moved on to microdosing. I honestly have heard is that. What the really Buji new? Gop Right now is to vape. D. M. T.. That's so stupid like a nightmare marriage so dumb. I don't know what I I have not done. Any I have not done the MTO Oscar. But I feel like it's it's not out of the question for me and I'm just like like why would you wanna be chilling around like driving your car going to work on. GMT The horrible 'cause like microdosing is just like oh you couldn't live your life while you do. They talked to a lady who has been microdosing mushrooms for. I think she said six years. And I don't think it's micro at that point. No it still. Is You tripping. You take like a a hundredth of what you would take normally so it feels i. I have read. Yeah I feel as though you are like you can drive. You can do whatever you're not tripping you're not hallucinating. It's just kind of like a mood elevator and then you do do that on day. One and then you don't do it for another three days I think and then you do it again so like it's this very specific prescribed thing but but it sounds like with the therapeutic kind of prescription that would have actually not been a micro say. Is that right that she had someone who she so. In her case they kind of they do a thing where were they talked to experts and then they do. A bunch of interviews with people have had different experiences so they talked to a guy who had ptsd after being in Afghanistan and did did and did a therapeutic trial with MD.. I May and it like changed his life and then they talked to this. This other lady who had been microdosing mushrooms did it as far as I could tell completely just like on her own. She just kind of did it and Because she had been suicidal for years and And then kind of you know I guess it. Just basically cured her of that that's what she said and so it's kind of a range of experiences it it's just like let's hear what this person has to say what it is like. Joe Rogan is to just be like. I'm not taking a stand. I'm just letting this person say what they think about things like with Joe Rogan. It's like white genocide but with with goop. You're right. It's much mush. It's just like doing like just tripping in Jamaica. I'm like fine and like the people who like the maps people that she talked to actually actually seemed like super knowledgeable and like down to earth and like they were really stressing. Like you want to do this stuff in a controlled setting if you're trying to do it for therapy lake. I'm doing air quotes. That's right now but it's like the you know to make sure that you know what you're doing. I was engineered for therapy originally. Yeah Yeah and they kind of talk about they they kinda glide through the history of that a little bit so like. I was like very compelled by that. I like watching people like it's just like kind of fun. I watch all the like cheesy documentaries on MT and stuff like that like come into it and the Arrow ID cinema. Oh definitely yeah. It was just like her staff. It was funny because it's all the senior staff off of Google going to Jamaica and then like ally lying around on Yoga Mats and crying like all of a sudden. I'm going to watch the Google. It's like very it's fun. Viewing I will say I was. I was like I was like. How much longer is this going to be like like? How far is this going to go like when she commands them to do the blood ritual? Well the funny thing so that one so I think throughout she's kind of using the staff of group as like her guinea pigs. I only watched two episodes but the second one was sort of interesting because that was the orgasm episode. This is on the second. I skipped ahead because I wanted to go to the to juiciest ones And that one was interesting because all the staffers on that one that had apparently like volunteered to be a part of this episode would were all on the younger side and link junior and one of the main people. They focused almost like an accountant at Goop And they do she having a ton of orgasms or no Josh. She was not a very afraid of intimacy and didn't want to be touched and stuff so she'd went to this like hardcore this woman Betty Dodson. Who's like ninety years old? Yeah she's famous. Yeah she's been like a sex therapist forever and does these workshops really. Sounds like my personal nightmare. But it's just like women sit around in a circle naked and like basically like spreader lakes for each other and they all admire each other's China's Volvos. I should say Yeah this is classic. Yeah like seventy seventy yeah So they did she does that. And then there's this other much. More stupid seeming workshops are. I don't want to judge. It just seemed very. That's what you're here to do with. I didn't. I didn't remember the name of the lady who did this other one. That was like the light version of that. But it was just like we're going to get in touch with our sensuality and like take aches southeast of each other with flowers are you. Are you telling me that Gwyneth paltrow made. HBO's Real Sex. I mean this episode is basically like a real suck up A. They had that vibe and I will give her credit. There's a lot because then I can respect in a weird way. There's a lot of vulva shots in this episode. Like there's full on nudity and the episode road and like like close ups. Yeah yeah and I was not expecting that and I was like kind of good on you. Lake Lake Man. I was grateful that it wasn't like. Oh we're going to get in touch with our bodies but it's all going to be like we're GONNA look like a at a model of clitoris or whatever I again and I couldn't find anything to hate. It didn't feel like I was being sold anything. It was more like well. Let's look at this thing like it kind of just had this interested in this. Let's look at this. I'm going to my staff out what to do. I don't know I think as I said before on the podcast like I think the people project a lot more unto Gwyneth paltrow celebrity personality than his actually. Actually they're like I think she doesn't take herself nearly as seriously as as like jokes about her and group seem to imply so I don't know it seems very a good natured. Like it's like again. I find it impossible to hate. There's something about her for me. Were it's like even when she's trying to make fun of herself she's like Oh making fun of myself. I self for all having a laugh at my expense. It feels like doesn't want to to go to where you're talking about with Sofia Coppola Lake. I mean a a lot of the stuff she's talking about was just like this whole thing of just like because people assume that you're rich and successful and stuff like that that you don't have trauma that you don't have like depression and stuff like that and that that's actually kind of a super capitalist way of thinking of things like it's just I like Oh if you have money than your happy and I don't know it's like I don't. I didn't exactly like cry. A river for her at that moment but I think that like there's something somewhat sympathetic there. Say Yeah I mean it's interesting that all these older actresses WanNa like transition into lifestyle brands rather than like being actors. I don't I don't think we need to call her an older actress normal age. Molly normally actress Beano Damian. It's like I don't know I'm not like she's not like the greatest actress in the world. Either necessarily so the like line draw is selling people things and so I'm much more sympathetic to the idea of the TV show. Because I I to love to watch people honestly I used to watch I am talk. SEX IS WITH SUE. I don't know if you guys talk sex with sue. Didn't well she was of an also I don't know if she's still alive. But I was watching this back in two thousand awesome six and I forget what channel it was even on but sue is a Canadian sex therapist and she was probably in her late seventies the early eighty s at that time and she would just take calls. It was like sexy Nikon. But it's only her take calls and demonstrate cock rings and stuff. There's something really great about seeing an ancient feminist. Yeah Yeah let's take a look in there. It looks great. Should be so glad. It's like okay just like that's I. I didn't know that was what went paltry wanted for herself. Yeah well she didn't know This is sort of like one of these things that came up before the series debuted. Like she didn't. I didn't know the difference between Volvo Vagina. And like and like and like is interchange in it in front of this sexologist and then she's like wait. You're talking about the full Volvo though right now. You're not telling she's like what's the difference like you know a lot of ladies get through life without knowing. So I'm you know again props for her for being curious and wanting to and it wasn't very good blind item about her in Popovich which still comes out and meeting this week. that said in the ninety s she. We had a different phone for each boyfriend that she was dating at the time seem smart. That made me like her. She's a spy. You should approach dating always like espionage. Absolutely we'll talking about kind of selling snake oil. Even though the show is not that we want to talk for a second about Jeanmarie. podcast the dream which is in season because it is so good this is i. I don't know if I mentioned that when I was getting my cavity filled. I listen listen to the dream was the perfect when you're in pain and a grave. Oh my God I'll people ingesting essential oil a which is not something you should do? At least you were getting like a time-tested procedure are done. Everybody's GonNa fill are you saying there's no injustice essential oils type things in the group show. You don't think her gyro brand promotes like try. I alternative medicine. That's very different things. Some alternative medicine is proven to work and the thing about essential essential oils. I have a deep interest in because I was targeted as many mothers are by a number of facebook. People who are called Huns in the multi level marketing being industry and they are like h Yuen's like Attila the hun wealth funds because they're like Hey Hun Hun. It's not spelled Hong but yeah I I got all of these and this was a while ago so I at first wasn't even sure what to make of it and was like these seem like they're really excited about what I'm I'm doing with my career which is nothing and they WanNa bring me into this entrepreneur opportunity based on me having done nothing for a while because I just had a baby like great they see my potential but then very quickly I was like Oh shit. It's a pyramid. Yeah and yeah. The second season of this podcast is amazing. Yeah the first one it was mostly it was all about. MLM's and things. She could not actually say pyramid schemes without the risk of getting sued but we can say pyramid schemes here on our pockets. Whatever yeah an old Ponzi and this current season is about the wellness industry which has like a lot of of interceptors? Yeah 'cause she starts off talking about the essential oils. I did not realize I learned from the first episode about the essential oils. That the reason they're supposed to work is because of vibrations yet is because of frequency dots. What's interesting is that? There's a section of people who believe that there's for a million different justifications but when Jamie was interviewing some of her relatives in this and they were speaking very you know passionately talk about the vibrations of each different and and saying like you know right that your body has vibrations. You know that there are vibrations that are in these elements. It's similar with Chris. I mean it's there's really no difference between essentials and crystals in terms of their application crystal. While that is that that would be the difference. I suppose yeah you really powder that Shit. Yeah I think people like the skin care that involved. Yeah Yeah I was GONNA say I had a friend who was selling in Nisa. Ponte's Gamy type thing will you can also put a crystal in your water bottle in heaven infused with the vibrations. But that's harmless. Anything I Here's the vibrations could get passed on. Is that how does that work. I mean I know it's all fake electro uh-huh where do you draw the line like. Obviously I do think that like suicide in therapy is a real thing. But who's GonNa it'd be like. Yeah yeah and I believe essential oil is a real thing and I'm allowed to believe what I anti vaccine arguing with them makes you crazy. You certainly are allowed to use essential essential oils. However you want tea tree? Oil is common in skin care. And that's fine you. Can you know if you're in a pinch. I'm sure you could put clary sage on something thing and it would do does their stranded with only what does it do to your inside. I mean to address that like I. Does it do anything anything bad. Yes yes it does it does bad is poisonous to talk too much of it. It's poison in just teach you. I don't think you can I mean in any any like minuscule amount. I doubt any of it would hurt you. I mean obviously like you could get lemon oil from lemon peel unjust it. But it's the question is the these things are not food grade and that's the other. I mean that's really the distinction is that you could. I'm sure integrate like a certain oil into like something if it were tested tested and made sure that it was safe but some of these. There's one brand in particular young living that markets itself as the brand of essential oils. That are so pure for that. You can ingest them. But nobody's making sure that that's correct turning spoiler alert. It is not correct. Yeah I mean I kind kind of went into this season of the dream feeling like I'm less of a hard line person about this stuff. I with crystals just like you know if something makes you feel good an and you buy it you buy a painting for you know a comparable amount of money as crystal and like if it if you put in your home and it makes you feel good. WHO's to say like it's bullshit like whatever you do whatever makes you feel good But I think like when it gets into the substituting it for actual medicine in healthcare. That's that's and I think that there are plenty of people who do market the stuff and don't market it as a substitute for actual healthcare where it's just like this is just like a addition onto like your you know your normal way of caring for Meghan but also take your crystals yeah spiritual experience recently with a crystal. What your cat? Oh okay well. That's yeah that was really intense. I if we have enough time I think you should share because I was like wow. That's a great example of what crystals are. Well first of all I have to shout out. Everyone in the night callers facebook group who some of you have shared stories well first of all. We actually got a prompt to talk about I'm pat grieving rituals which I think will take at a later point but Sometimes you will come on a shared like their feelings and they someone had lost a cat and their cat added died. My cat was in the process of dying at that point and also someone mentioned the media. Emily there were there. Were like a bunch of cats. I knew so many people whose cats died around the time that your cat super really weird. Yeah Oh did I am like yeah someone in the facebook group but My so we we do have some crystals at my house the most the very cheap and small kind but when my father in law died he gave us a big Geo that had been cut in half so there are like these two like three foot tall. Geo D- house in our living room haven't found their place real home in there yet. But we're working on that. So my cat died. He was seventeen he was really old. it was a super horrible and depressing thing to see because he was my kitty but he was we. We had an appointment Tatham euthanized. Because he was in such bad health and he like he's a very smart cat and he said his goodbyes before the euthanasia appointment comment and he ended up dying the night before that was gonna come but he'd always yet is like hang out spots as many cats do and none of them were in the living room but then when when he was very sick he started hanging out in this little spot in the living room so we got him a little bed and but he never moved from that spot and when he died he went over to the and like wrapped himself around the code. And that's around him and we were he had never gone near those things that we were like. What is it what was he like drawn many different theories when I bring this up? People are like oh he was like drawn to kind of the earth elements because he wanted to go outside to die as caveat you but we don't let them outside because their coach so I think I was like I could read this either us. Like perhaps my father-in-law was like in the spiritual realm and like he was going to something that he had given us or that he like. Maybe felt a vibration and I totally believe any of this. In fact I hardly believe it. But that's what makes it cool but when you're like really sad it kind of gives you like I mean. And that's also on the flip side the bad thing about crystals cels and oils and stuff like that is that people tend to cling to those things when they are very desperate like you know because they have no medical care than yeah mead or because they're just feeling ski having anxiety or they're isolated or whatever and people rely on a lot of confirmation bias around that stuff to exactly. I mean I and there's a lot of fucked up things about the healthcare system. Yeah especially about mental health care and women's healthcare to I mean that's like the point that's really underlying in the first episode. Oh to dream is just like that. Women's health has been so under studied compared to men's health that like a lot of times far more often like women will have the experience chance of going to the doctor. Because something's wrong and like it's never diagnosed correctly. We have just been hasn't been studied well enough and so then you have women who. I can't get the help that they need from a traditional health system so they end up turning into crystals and essential oils or whatever. And it's like the blame is all over the place like the people who are taking advantage of people but also just like the system is not working for those people totally and I also with reproductive and maternal health that there's this you know sense. The doctors don't believe leave women those things and I mean I I don't remember if it was Propublica or the New York Times. He did this series on maternal death rates in the US. I think like last last year but an underlying thing is that a lot of women who have post birth complications are so quickly dismissed and in my I experienced. Even you know having great insurance and great doctors. There were times when I felt as though my concerns about my body. Were totally dismissed because people are really quick to write concerns office hormonal. Or you know you're struggling you're figuring it out and so I think like you know there is this sense of like you know your body and no one else believes leaves us so like at a certain point and I think that's also why a lot of this is marketed from women to other women in. Yeah you feel like okay. Well they understand. Yeah so it's super dangerous. Yeah you have to listen to the episode about the birth like do At home birth type thing. That's it's alive. Yeah Speaking of at home births. Ha be ray species In Our podcast hush money. We're going to get you you talking. We debate the uncomfortable questions about money in life than a celebrity judge. Join us to decide. WHO's right there's no such thing as strings free money there are some take laws right? Now that it's traditions that Manji pay women will do the reach. The fake reach. Money is one of those things that people like to ignore. You can binge all the episodes now on apple podcasts. The IHEARTRADIO APP or wherever you get your podcasts We are back. We are continuing our track actually concluding our trek the final episode of unnerving. CGI January yeah. She's not bad. CGI It's early CGI it's like CGI finding its footing leading and also the cats thrown in there. We have a night call related to computer animation from Listeners Christina. Hello night call thanks to your unsettling. CG January idea. I'm about to rent the director's cut of the lawnmower man tonight against my better judgement. I'd like to be a massive nerd and discussed in nineteen eighteen. Eighty five Canadian short film called Tonita Petrie in which an abject potato man plays the piano for seven hours. It's deal is that it's the first computer animation to depict human character expressing emotion. Which I guess is probably two at the time of its release? It was considered a tremendous achievement. And it's insane that it was made in the early eighties however this hardly needs to be said it's also a fucking nightmare. It's crazy that despite whatever technological advances we've made in the intervening years every movie still. It looks like this to be. Every time I go to the movies I settle into my seat after getting high in the bathroom and in basically forced to watch Tony to Petrie in its entirety. Six to eight between six to eight times is it. Just me your friend Christina. We highly recommend that. You look look up Tony It's only six minutes. It's so good it really does change the way you think of watching anything at all to be honest with you On his face looking like that. Like Santa Mation you can make anything. Look however you want it to low. They did not know that yet. Why that face this was from nineteen eighty five? It's Canadian and it is the first animated human character express emotions. I think it was. I was a clay mold. Old that they then like mapped yeah they mapped it It won a ton of awards. John lasseter the loved it But yeah it's he. He's a very fascinating leader. He looks like he's had bad fillers. It looks like it's like Jay Leno it's like a yeah like Jay Leno that looks like Thanos. It's okay if a man is a very lake. It's a meditation station. It's very Canadian. Yes it's extremely Canadian. It is about a piano player. Who is like thinking about when he was popular while he's playing the a piano? I'm going to say it's French Canadian. It is French can and he is French. Canadia if feels french-canadian. There's no one but here La Chapelle Philippe Berge as your own Daniel Lingua. Because do it's like when you think about what we CGI for now it's not generally like interior already. I guess in Pixar movies it tries but this is actually there's something about how he's isolated and also how the piano kind of plays itself like he's he's playing piano and then it's like playing itself but I won't spoil the ending but the ending really worked for me is it he did it it is sad. It's a bittersweet melancholy. Ah It's not horribly manipulative other than its try like it is. It was created to manipulate really you but the way it does it is seems like a genuine effort. Innovation is so powerful that the fact that in America we don't use is it that much for things for adults is kind of like extremely to our detriment. Obviously but also it's because it's so scary. Yeah Yeah it's too powerful well having having endless possibilities for your characters that you care about is a horrifying prospect. Well it's like they used to call intermediaries like you know somebody early early. Disney guys is and stuff they were like actors with pencils. That's a phrase. That was used a lot because like you have to be able to draw emotion like to be a good animator Hilton. No like what your face looks like and like how the human face works with emotion or like. Yeah you can't be at least you can't be a character animator without that and yeah it feels like that sort of look. I don't know maybe it's just gotten to such a science now that people like there's just a handbook at Pixar. That tells you how to do it and you don't actually have to have any but the play make fun at Dreamworks Style. Were you got the arched eyebrow you know like the B movie like. Don't you dare neck knock yet. Be Movies title correct. B-movie say about movies like an arched eyebrow in everything. Yeah but the dreamworks is much more cynical. Yeah unless about a little touchy feely little Shittier Looking. Yeah and the Pixar is like to to overproduced song. It's just like everything is like luscious fall. I mean ironically. Wally ended up being the most kind of like emotionally effective without a right. Yeah Yeah No voice to OPN. Oh I well when I first watched wally I. It had been built up so much that I really didn't vibe with it and then later when it was kind of introduced as like there's nothing to watch. Maybe let's just put this. I was like you know what I think I love. Wally all ee. It was by that point no longer cool to like wally so I felt like it was an open door for me to like wally wally. As part of my robots don't have genders this crusade. When you mean like well like wally in the end yeah I thought it was? I was like why are people. `gendering these robots. We don't know what I don't have genders. It's never specifically laid out is it. Do they ever refer to wally as a boy. I think maybe in in Disney actually should look up the wikipedia and see if they refer to wally as an editor he. But who would refer to wally. I mean the people in the the only in like a wikipedia article some official record that describes it as a he. I had been under the impression like always the bb one of my favorite fictional robots from the Walt Disney Company Was a girl because I had. I guess I assumed it was like a a a male gendered robot because all all of them are in star wars but then somebody was like no actually like female generous Oak. Cute voluptuous yeah. Apparently IT'S A. He like extremity refers to yeah he in the most recent mad about that to your gender that's their robots wally and E. You don't have gender as it says for sure because the whole wikipedia article that call them by their whole names. Yeah each time they were Nice. I nobody's looking out I. I don't necessarily. I never got the VIBE. It was like implied because he had like a slightly lower robot. Why does the male themed robot get to be the junky robot and the female Moore about has to be like the sleek ipod Krista robot well speaking of in human beings yeah that are definitely gender? We watched the nine thousand nine hundred. Ninety wait five one thousand nine hundred nineteen ninety-five. Why why do I feel like this? Movie is so much older than that. Nineteen ninety-five movies species which is concluding our our CGI series None of us had ever seen it before crazy. We were just talking about this about how we mentioned that we were watching it to some men who all said what do you mean. You haven't seen it all right. If if your girl you didn't see it at like a sleepover ray where everyone watched it. 'cause this movie is famous for having on an alien lot- lots of tits for being right at the event horizon when you still needed to go to the movies or something like that. Yeah it very much has a early kind of Maxim Awesome magazine feel to it the star. Natasha Henstridge I think it was like heavily. Featured in Lad mags at the time lad. Mag Lad mags which I guess helps the box office office and yeah it's like that whole that like the wild things thing of all you go to theater aceticket like like I don't know that's what's so great about it. Is they lure you in with tits. And then they keep it forever with cinema and I just can't imagine being a ten year old voy watching this like. How does that affect you? Sexuality of your layer hunting you. They want to kill you this movie. He has the most amazing cast. It's an incredible. This is a stacked new arts with just like all of these names and I think it's too bad we were watching it together. Yeah because I think we all have the same reaction dare in this yet. Let's Jim to and they do the very old school thing of like starring medical order so even in alphabetical order. It goes like Ben Kingsley. Michael Madsen Alfred. Molina forest whittaker just up top and they're basically like the don't leave off March march well Yeah Merge Hell Hell Burger she. She's not seven of nine. But is she. From a sci fi franchise she has like a real shine star Trek. She has like she's in She's in CSI there we go yeah she And also Michelle Williams. Yeah a little Michelle Williams and I saw Michelle Williams in the front and I was like. That's not the right lane eighty Michelle Williams like pre Dawson's Creek Michelle Williams Williams. This movie fucking rule. It's loved it. You know what else it is. It's a great L. A.. Move that was a bonus. the millennium biltmore hotels featured frequently The cool club is the Sahara Motor Hotel which he shouted out on the intro. There's a great line so the movie is about. Let's explain what the movie's about in case you haven't seen species. Some scientists are got some Alien Indiana with instructions instructions. It's basically contact like at the beginning it starts with a shot of our. CFO Radio Telescope. So you're like Oh oh. This is hard Scifi. Yeah we're watching some hearts I fi- Yeah Ben Kingsley is kind of like this power hungry scientists. Who's like I will? They you decide to like us the the alien DNA to create a female. Because they think it'll be easier to control and manage ha ha. Aw So Michelle Williams's baby alien and she's really cute and she's in like a little bubble and then they noticed that she gets cranky and her sleep and seems like scary so they think like okay we should kill her with cyanide they also she grows really fast she looks like a tween at the beginning of it and but she's apparently you just a few weeks older something like a month old or something so she's growing really rapidly And then breaks out of her bubble when they try to poison her delivery. Yeah and so how she just looks at things and she's like I get it so like show later. She'll look she's on a train so she escapes and she just kind of picks picks up how to do things just by seeing at one. So she's like right okay like I just wall I grab a bag and I look like a person who's walking onto a train and they're like oh she's a kid. I'm not GonNa Hassle astle her and later when she well we should say that she transforms in a very brutal credible. It's like we're talking about this offensively because of the CGI but the practical effects again like abyss are incredible. Yeah slime. Yeah there's so much I I'm like really it's like very good kind of Dr it's all like. HR GIGER did like the design of the alien that she becomes and but like all of it has that kind of gross. Dark Mark can assign shot at some regular worms. That's really affect Also she she has a human form but her true form is like a gray a tentacle writhing mass of stuff like also she can like shoot chemicals out of her nipples. Oh yeah such a cool trick. Wish I could do cannot but yes so she Michelle Williams on the train. I guess if she realizes that certain point she like needs to fuck shit up and also she's like maturing into a woman so she goes into an alien and then she's having lake nightmares about transforming further doing she's having linked puberty. The and then. Natasha Henstridge is born naked. Covered in slime with boobs right out front from the alien shots drops ops out of this like it's like basically she builds a cocoon for herself in the. I guess like a bathroom. Stall on the train. And like descends out of it like it falls out and like goup of amniotic goop. And it's just it's like I know it's supposed to be sexy because it's a naked lady but I'm just like it's so gross I I really admired it very. I'm very happy about how gross home movies just supposed to make you feel horrible about the feelings that you're having while watching it and that's an interesting listing sensation to be like. Do you think that this movie because while I was like reveling in how gross it was and how much I liked it and how like vaginal. The thing that she she comes out of is a that I watched Rob Delaney's Jackie which explains what a and I thought it was a cloak because it's also also in A Children's book bizarrely but it is the whole that a bird has that everything comes out of. Oh Yeah Oh hey Waka just like a birthing in bad it's birthing and doing everything else does out in that it's a it's a whole okay. Yeah she yeah she falls out of this thing. And it's very agile original and and I had this thought even while I was like very happy about what was seen. I was like this is meant to make you terrified of women as it like inherently misogynistic to have it be like so like so many fluids and so many. It's so empowering I feel but I was like what is obviously. There's a bunch of men made this movie stars. Like what did they think they were doing. Because I know how I receive it used dunked it being super misogynistic but but and I do think I but watching it as a woman. You definitely feel that. It's kind of subtly feminist but by accident. Yeah it's it's like anti-human which is right amazing but it it's sort of like it's I don't know if it meant to be about stuff stuff this much but it's definitely like this super area and looking women coming and destroying the world that at all these like male scientists and Marc Hogan Burger. WHO's a tough checker trying to make? And they all kind of like are too dumb not to like fall for it. Yeah they're very smart technically but they also like oop but I like she's so hot what am I gonNA do now. So she also has only one motivation once she has has grown and that is to breathe and she she goes to love and just has two guys. I want to have a baby baby. She's unlike weirdly screen them with her is to see if they have things like diabetes. And she's like no way gotta find someone Faira. There's totally like Capri me to accept the just that she doesn't want to do this guy because he has diabetes and she's like Suss that out with her like supercenter kills him in his suite. Glass brick expansion. Yeah because he's trying to having like okay. This is great and she kills people by putting written tongue through their skull that I remembered young because they did it. They they won best guess at the TV Great. I love that I my my boyfriend was like Oh. This movie reminds me of d'alene the short that I just think that's great because the only direction I gave my friend was like act. Like you've never seen earth before everything is new and Natasha Henstridge. Henstridge is very good. Yeah basically silent except for when she says I want to have your baby right now. Yeah people at a club. But it's it's like she picks everything up from television motel. Yeah and then. She does everything that she picked up from television including dying her hair. I would venture to say that like it's an actually really tough and good performance like it's like the Naievty of it and is like very funny and very precise yes. I assumed that she was like actually from Europe or something because of her name but she's Canadian she's well then. She was method acting when she yells at the guy in the club. I'm far it's really funny. I think it's a very funny when she goes when they're like she's going to. La like a mobile population. Everybody knows each other and this possibility so hard at that it was amazing. Yeah so Alfred Molina very cute. I said he looks like Oscar is but you know the Iran that there was an initial official criticism was like everybody hated his hair and he mentioned a hugh grant hair getting wrong with that man's hair. It's also funny to be firmly back in like the Michael Madsen era Because also I watched free willy. Why there's Michael mcelhatton data is the like real? He's the mean Article Foster Dad Kennedy and I totally didn't remember Michael Michael Matt. How does free willy hold up just out of curiosity for me really well children not so yeah I read that Michael Madsen and Marc Hogan Burger got to a improvise their sex scene? I love their release their home. Yeah it's a very issue. I can obligatory like two people on the team. We're GONNA get together but it feels very believable and the old as being like your piece. Lisa Shit I like that like you know it. Yeah that works for all of us. I had very little to complain plane about this. I did it once. It kind of gets into like the the climax aspect of it just like it does feel like Oh. This is just feels like every movie in the nineties like if you were remember seeing a movie at a sleepover like the lay. The lighting works like the music. The fact like there are explosion. Sometimes you don't know where they came under ground around. Yeah for finale. Yeah make any sense. And he's just like but I guess I'm watching the movie so I guess this was bound to happen. Wait reminded me a little bit of the finale of it in the TV miniseries of it where it's like thing is like the thing that's scary. Is Tim Curry and clown makeup or like a scary hot blonde woman. That's an alien when they become their like final form. It's supposed to be scarier way less scary. Yeah Yeah because she fully transforms and she has a baby Oh Yeah and she has a baby when she's like dying owner Alfred Molina's characters baby correct. Yeah yes she. She successfully copulated with Alfred Molina. He has the good diene like so totally. Kills him bad. Yeah that was sad. Sorry spoiler and I feel like most people do this. We're probably the last people aren't podcasts. At least in Wikipedia the chew Kabre connection no and I quote five year. Investigation into accounts of the Chew Kabre a well-known crafted reveal that the original citing report of the creature in Puerto. Rico by Madeline Tolentino may have been inspired by the character sill. WHO's the alien in this movie? This was detailed in paranormal investigator. Skeptic Benjamin Radford's spoke tracking the Tuba Cobra according to Virginia Guerrino of Memorial University of Newfoundland writing for the Journal of Folklore Research. Radford found a link between the original eyewitness report and the design of sill in her alien form and hypothesized that species which Tolentino did see before her citing influence that she believes she saw of Supercobra. This species up I know right. Yeah I mean I think what I really agreed with about. This movie was the idea like humans are the invasive species. Is that the wait. What is that the moral of the moving to me? Yeah it's like humans are the most invasive species species and so they get taken out by whatever the next invasive species as inevitably sure. I guess I mean I mean if somebody comes and does to humans alien human humans did all the other animals. But we're not meeting with other animals. Though that's seems like a different. She wants to create like an alien human hybrid chieh eighty rabies for those human million babies. Gosh leaving it but I feel like it is sort of like a maybe a shadow like low birth rates scare movie. Because it's just like we're not horny enough right. Look at this lady. She's so horny. She's way down. Like whatever's Horny or than us. We'll just like replica. In the way that we did and it's that's evolution but I think isn't the point that she's the hybrid component. is its own freaky thing. It's like you're GonNa the have a baby with this thing and you can't help it because you didn't know and our race of Lake that's the phase of humanity and that is the hybrid the higher it and it's like she was sent. Humans are too stupid not to put the DNA in the person in the first place. They deserve everything that's coming to them. human extinction take forever for me to the pro human extinction movie okay. I now on a C.. The sequel Woah. Because we're actually read the fan fiction. Maybe that'd be a good bonus episode. Hell yeah there is a species to in ninety eight and a species. Three people who attacked us. I said they're not very good. But people have said the lawnmower man to is is watchable really worth watching because it's also weird tired. lawnmower man was a really good one to who would have known on a nursing. CGI month would. He introduced us to movies. We actually realize all of them also. Emily only saw cats. Let's end with emily. I haven't even talked about my cats experience because I was still like trying to make sense of it. I mean the experience. Yeah I mean it was like a very fun theatrical experience because it was actually we thought that there was going to be nobody seeing cats but it was actually about a half full theater and everybody he was just I think on the same wave link where they were there to just like like have their jaws drop at how insane cats is. It's a fun group Experience Marion. Nobody prepared me people. Prepare me for a lot of things about cats. Nobody prepared me for Idris. Elba's disrobing enough human animal hybrids a sexual energy such all over the place decision like some of them have breasts but nobody has male genitals like no cat. Would either. You would think I think they would seem more than the cat. What what's the deal with Idris Elba disrobing? Well he's very cavity has a very short. The the cat is a very seem mystery comedies. Mr Cat he's called the hidden paw because the magic hat is is missile. Talk Mr Okay Very short haired Brown Gerry Short. It does he have a lion cut I. I don't know what that is a shame. Oh no no. He's not shave as close as he could be to shave. Okay Okay and he wears a big fur coat like pimco basically. It's sort of implied that he is a Pam Blake and the like he has enlisted all these various cats to like sex work. Like that's like did you think he's Grizz Abell as him yes over with with Mott cavity and now she's like a disgrace graced woman like oh and but she's not a woman she's a she's a female cat how. This is all about Victorian morality cats but we robes. Well yeah he has a big Musical number with musical mayor with Taylor swift is his hype man and And then he liked takes off his coat and he's just like it's just Idris just Elba naked like he's GonNa have horrible definition with no junk. I Yeah I feel like I my immediate. It was like this is selfish call because he got an amazing shape for cats. And it's like I'm not going to do all this and heaven covered up like digital fair. I want everybody to see my autocrats foggy. All of the cats bodies are very consuming. 'cause they're like dancer that is a cat was a leotards leotard and this is just like digital which is just like fake fur on top of someone's body you can see there again is what makes it good. You know what I was thinking. Is You know it would be like more horrifying that cats is dogs. Yeah you know but like as cats was done. There's a song versus dogs. That was one of the songs that was cut. But just imagine like I'm just thinking of Flake Judi dench as dog the starlight express for us. Yes that's further trains trains Want to say thanks to Taylor Swift for. She stood up search for cat. Yeah she owned up to it. She said that she was happy. She said she would never regret experienced being participating in such a weird ass movie and she was with Andrew Lloyd Webber so she has no regrets. She's nor got shelled. Thank you Taylor Swift. 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MC Classic: Back to the Future

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MC Classic: Back to the Future

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So join me as I travel from Arizona to the Arctic Circle trying to crack this case. Listen to missing in Alaska on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you find your favorite shows. Welcome to movie crush a production of iheartradio. Hey everybody chuck here. If you were on the movie crush. Facebook page then. You saw two things this week. You saw me give the coming attractions post for this. Is Spinal tap with guest? Brian Cook the drummer for the band. Blitzen trapper one of my favorite bands and Brian's a great guy Then if you saw the post from yesterday then you saw that we had an audio issue and lost the entire interview Very disappointing obviously was a good talk. And unfortunately you can't just Redo that and recreate a conversation An organic conversation. That would just be weird. Maybe on down the line once that is wiped from the Memory Bank at can get Brian back in here and we can talk about spinal tap because I really want to. We had so much fun So I'm very sorry. This is the first time that's ever happened in the history of this show Recording from home Is Not easy and this happened. So all apologies and I was going to try and put something else together. But you guys are just didn't have I didn't have time to get someone book. Someone watched the movie. Take notes on the movie and get the recording in the can then edited and everything by Friday so one of the Movie crushers said something about Hey. Why don't you release a classic episode like you do for stuff you should now? It's no big deal so because this one guy said that was okay. I decided that it was okay. And I'm letting myself up so I it was really easy for me. I mean I love so many of the episodes that I've been able to do these interviews over the past couple years but Paul Schneider's really stands out for back to the future. Paul is a pal of mine and We've become even better bud since that interview Had A little mandate in New York when I was there and went to dinner and had a nice walk and talk and we talk on the phone now and Chit Chat and text and we're just birds of a feather to southern boys trying to work it out here in the entertainment industry and Paul is awesome in Like I mentioned on a on a crush. He has just had his first little baby. He has a beautiful little baby girl he and his lovely wife. And it's just They're over the moon about it and I'm really excited so we've been texting a lot about fatherhood and stuff so Paul's been on my mind lately and we as it turns out having a great episode on a great movie back to the future and If you've heard it I encourage you to listen again if you haven't heard this one boy you're in for a treat because back to the future is a great great movie and Paul brings his his insider scoop for his comments in We had a great talk about acting and stuff. He'll conversation one of my favorite episodes so all apologies about the rerun This won't happen again. I hope and we'll be back with the new Interview Movie Edition next Friday Nolan. I will be back on Monday for a mini crush and here. We go everyone with the classic episode. Paul Schneider on back to the future. I wrote down notes for your for your programs on. We have taken it very seriously. Are you still teaching no? I'm not how what was that. All about. Was it acting or directing writing? I taught directing actors Do Graduate School Directing Students Columbia at Columbia? How'd that go I really I really loved it. I didn't go back because I kind of needed to to work right for money but it was Explaining to the you know explaining to these kids like what what I felt like actress needed in. That situation was like a pretty surprising that they didn't know right and be kind of easy that it's basically just kind of psychology one right. I think in like being a good coach encouragement You know like say three. Nice things before you give a criticism and right. It's like life skills almost. It's very All I needed to know I learned in kindergarten. It's crazy when I hear stories about these Directors like the tyrannical directors who. I just don't get that and I don't I the whole William Freakin. You know shooting guns next Ellen Burstyn head and Yeah I. There's no way I would deal with that. There's just no fucking way I would just wouldn't deal with it right. This is not you know. This is not the end of the world. Type stuff movie right. It should be fun. Yeah that's why I don't understand audition sometimes because the amount of time they give you two to prepare the the quality of air in the room Just in terms of sort of attitude in the room vibe. I guess it doesn't give you a chance to like if I want to know what great. How great an actor you are. I am going to make you comfortable as comfortable as I can. Free up ourselves in terms of conversation. I'm going to not shut down your ideas right. I'M GONNA make sort of a free flowing brain stormy so that I get all of Chuck I see always got this idea about this and that idea about that But when I sort of close down all I'm getting is very cocooned protected chuck. Whose only throwing out ideas that. He's pretty sure he's already kind of added in his brain. It's like writing and editing at the same time right. It's just so hard. Yeah and then go back right. Which is why when I'm working with. I brought this abrupt breakfast. T shirt for you t shirt for you. I should say I saw these t shirts and I and the online and I said directed by Martin Scorsese directed by all these people and I was thinking well. I have been directed by Jane campion. That's great that's fucking awesome so literal shirt. He's wearing directed by Jane campion shirt. Because you were we'll take it. We'll take a picture of it later. Well Yeah we're going to get a photo One thing I always appreciate about you though as you sort of have aside from obviously having to make a living you've always seem to have take leave it attitude like. I always get the feeling that you could just go away from it all at any moment. Sure Yeah I always was Rick Moranis. Who just like up in And and to be with his kids after his wife died like father who could possibly be offended by that and I one thing that I've always thought about is in acting and sort of this baloney celebrity culture. We live in if you're not if you're next thing isn't doubled the size of your last thing right if you're not constantly being more if you're images not constantly more and more propagated if people don't even more and more of you than the idea is somehow things have gone wrong right and I I you know when I left parks and recreation I was I this was I was doing. This is movies. You know like Bright Star that I really love doing You Know I. I have a financial concerns like everyone else. I want things you know. I like to spend summers in Spain or or whatever but my overhead is my personal overhead is really low and I like the idea of being sort of a a middle class actor if you know what I mean like totally man I of course I wanNA work with great. I WANNA work with Jane campion and and you know the people that I really really loved when I was growing up. Yeah but I but I just can't. I can't see myself doing something that I don't really like to for. What like what's what's the payoff is isn't money right. Well yeah sure. And that's great but I've I've met a lot of insanely wealthy people and the General Vibe I get is is not a and I mean like at Film Parties Film festivals or at panels or whatever you know and the vibe you get from some of these folks that are at the tippy top of the acting profession. It's not a contented. Dalai Lama ask vied blundell's of insecurity and of nerves. I have that just myself. I don't need to go get more of that. And so you know I was talking to my wife about this and and I just I mean it. Obviously it's all about the the material everyone says that but it's it's true. I'm not concerned about where. Shoot or how much money I make. It's all about like do I feel attached to whatever this guy is suggesting I play and do why And it it doesn't even have to be like a great entire script right. I WanNa do a character just like I. I don't think the script is great. Something I like about the character himself But it's like there's there's there's gotta be something that I can add to it that I feel like only I can add to it right. Nothing else couldn't do a good job. But but I but there's a reason why I could say excuse me. Let me let me take a crack at this right Oftentimes characters written you know back. I think I think sometimes the larger the budget and the larger. You might be paid and a larger your image. You know the more. Your image might be propagated in the more quote famous. You might get oftentimes those roles because they have to appeal to the broadest possible audience to make back their capital investment. It can't be that specific. It can't be that interesting. It has to be sort of a bland lead character that everyone can find something to invest in It's it's it's abroad Abroad drawing not every deep drawing. Yeah because I mean you got to parks and REC. Which was a great show. And that's sort of the golden goose for a lot of actors to get that Weekly Network series But you know I've read an I've talked to you about it and read articles in interviews and stuff it. Just that seems to kind of have been the case there's like it just wasn't Characterize didn't offer you enough and you are. I think brave enough to say like you know what this isn't my bag. Yeah Yeah and they were brave enough to say. This isn't your bag. I mean it was a mutual It was a mutual Us Not being into but but the You know because you know forces being what they were. I kinda signed on for one character that I thought was specific and interesting. That being a guy who He he was really promiscuous guy but he was kind of an Eddie. Bauer guy like we're really kind of putting it up dude. But he had also had sex with everyone in town right. Couldn't remember who had sex with and but he was very polite about it right and I thought that was super funny And then later kind of because You know as the characters were kind of shaking down and and I guess they figured out like how do we wait these characters properly I think my characters specificity sort of you know was diluted and I think both they and myself realized that that I I you know for myself. I just need to go in there. Be Challenged. It's not If the way I think of it as like this I've got twelve horrifying angry sled dogs in my head and if those sled dogs have nothing to pole. Yeah I'm screwed right. You know free time not being challenged not you know and I think this is probably true for all of us but when those sled dogs have something heavy to pull I'm like Bright Star. Yeah I was terrified. I had a lot going on right. I was asked to do a lot of things that I was pretty sure I couldn't do. And that made me kind of you know sort of terrified and satisfied at the end of every day. Although sled dogs want they want to run. That's all they WanNa do you know and I can't. I'm not the solo artist. You know I'm the collaborator artists. And I can't I can't i. Can't make give them a sled to pull myself? Yeah usually But anyways are you looking to direct again like on the hopper. Can you talk about I? Yeah I'd love to Directing is certainly something that I feel most like wrung out doing Even when I was teaching and talking about directing I with the students it was wrung out in a satisfying sense. Absolutely satisfy like a just like a rag completely wrung out and yeah. Yeah I think that as a very positive thing So yeah as far as directing performances concerned you know. There's there's some things being written. There's some play ideas being kicked around. Cool I you know. I'd love to direct theater and that's kind of those projects are all in sort of terminating stages and had Tony Shalhoub in here yesterday. He said he met you a few times. Really have you met him or was he thinking to someone else he he and I may have terrible memories. Okay that's possible. I love Tony Shalhoub. He was great. He was very cool. It was UH Barton. Fink was like the first thing I saw in this one of my ultimate pave so totally in fact in fact I have the kind of memory where if I had met someone that I really admire. I would not remember it because my brain would convince me that I I wouldn't be so lucky to. That's funny I have a pretty poor memory for a lot of things but like when it comes to stuff like that it's locked. See I can tell you the first American to climb Mount Everest. Who Was it? Would Jim Whitaker or the or the first? You know the first person to climb it without oxygen reinhold Messner but I can't you know yeah wife's birthdays right. I mean it's just sort of a massive a -gratulations getting married to by the way. Thank you very much sub senior last that happened. It's good She's a lot smarter than me. Yeah well that's that's what you should always do. Yeah that's A. It's a terrifying prospect so as far as your like you grew up in North Carolina. I did one hundred percent right from birther no I. I moved there when I was four. Okay where you born. I was born in outside of Oakland. California Oh wow so you end up in What part of North Carolina was it? It was when I grew up. It was just outside of the Asheville city limits right. This was pre cool. Hip Right Ashville Last year. Actually yeah when I sure but yeah. Hometowns are sort of You know I have sort of love hate relationship with it because he sort of want you. You grew up outside of gadgets outside of Atlanta right. And you know you kind of want your hometown to stay like a little Like a snow globe. You know we live these crazy. Transient lives and everybody's changing. But you want this memory to stay completely fixed right and it's just it just doesn't and it's you know of course it doesn't that's my fault for wanting to wanted something to happen. That's impossible but But yeah I I when I was there. You know there was only one you know. The only music scene was like one. Try Trick Concert. Yeah a year and the last time I with there a few years who I went there and they're like ghost face killer was playing. Oh Wow I was like what the hell yeah like if we if we had this But when I was there you know we would read the liner notes of a of of like physical graffiti. Or yeah another led Zeppelin album and we would just say like who are these people you know. It just seemed like they were making this music on Mars or something. It's just so far away from but same with movies and same with actors and same with directors and you know the idea of being involved with that world was really just in fact. The idea didn't occur to you. Yeah I've talked about that very thing on this. I've had friends that. Have the new that the it seems like they almost had to have grown up in La and maybe New York but definitely L. to know that like that's a job that you can go get yeah but for dudes like us that grew up in the south in these kind of smaller southern cities. I didn't know that that was an option or even or I mean I guess I guess one way it could happen is if you know your dad or mom had a friend who ran the community theater in the Smart Hound or something but I but I my parents didn't know those people either so even someone you know in the small town version of the arts I I didn't know those people and My parents weren't even big movie. Either Music people not yet known my own. My brother was obviously an older brother. Always helps sibling. Yeah but you need those influences. Yeah otherwise you're just adrift. In The Times that you're adrift. We you know when you do you know when I did discover Peter Greenaway like on my own at you know when I saw you know when I saw the cook this his wife and her lover when I was I guess like eighteen. Yeah I saw that in the theater for some weird reason. I did too like that. When you find something like that on your own you feel like this is mine like nobody knows about this. You can be influenced. Yeah exactly and I feel like that kind of stuff is a little more. You know. It's a little more hard one and it's a little more I guess it's a little more specialty because nobody gave it to you. Have you kind of but that was why I got into? That was why I went to film schools because my I mean I've told this story before but because my parents and I saw the piano. Oh really Wow then you end up working with her. Yeah that's pretty amazing. Yeah before the Piano. I think I I really didn't have any career. I just didn't have any career thoughts. I mean it was just like you know. I just thought I would smoke pot right now. Would be whatever job that. Yeah whatever job that is and then. After I saw the piano it was really just like a a light switch like before it was no film school and then after it was a film school. Wow so that was the North Carolina School of the arts. Yeah that's right. Wow so before that were you. Were you going to movies with your parents or friends. Do you have siblings? I do have an older brother My we liked. We went to movies as a family and I think we probably you know if if if one is a family that doesn't go to movies at all together and ten is a Muslim and ten was a family that went to like every movie together. We were probably like a a a four right And but I do remember my dad taking me to see die hard In one thousand nine hundred eighty eight pretty cool. That was And I was twelve and that just ripped my brain open and and and I you know in the list of questions that you sent me. You asked about R. rated movies. I don't remember my first star rated movie but I did remember. Going to see diehard my dad right yeah yeah and then. Goodfellas with my dad And both of those were very Well you know affecting iheartradio and the US Census Bureau wanted to do something special for the class of twenty twenty so we made. Commencement a new podcast. 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Yeah and Dainik bridezillas guys. Yeah so you were all just dudes in school together. We were all just dude in school. Together it's crazy. Yeah we were making short films together. While I was David David was in my short. I mean we made many short films but like you know one. David was in one of my short films. I was in his short film. I was in Danny Short film right and actually Danny had made a short film. That was a riff on back to the future. Where I was wearing this know. This facsimile of of Marty's divest that everyone mistakes as a life life vest. But but yeah we were all there and it's it's it's very strange to. I actually watched a Philly amazing documentary series recently about if I'm not mistaken. It's about the like the avalanche or Mountain Rescue Team in Chamonix in France. And it's just this great group of French guys and women and they get on helicopters and they save tourists better have fallen down these ice chasms and and I the series ended and I realize another guy that we went to school like with produced it. So yeah a guy named De Brian Mandal. Yeah that's crazy just to have that amount of talent come out of a smallish town one of the lesser known film schools. Probably and when we were there we were in the second class. What does that mean like? It was the second ever ever. Yeah when we graduated. We were in the second graduating class. So and this crazy you know the movie. I can't think of the name of now. Like dumbing dummy. Look it up but the Indie that I saw you in. Not Too long ago the Goodbye to all that. Yeah yeah with Heather Graham and so good yeah and Angus mclachlan. We shot that in in Winston Salem. Oh really Who directed that Angus mclachlan? Oh he wrote Falker gotTA edit this. He wrote a movie with the one. That Amy Adams. Got Very famous Alexandra Novoa and it's like in North Carolina about an art so June Bug June bug yeah right Angus Road June bug and then He. I believe this was his his directorial. Debut that one Based on his script well and I've talked I do these smaller Non Interview shows now for this where I have a lot of interaction with people from the listeners. Like emails Top Ten list and stuff like that and do a recommended viewing and a did All the real girls for one of the installments and still just one of the great great romance movies ever to me such a sweet genuine movie. Yeah it really made such a weird. You know it's like looking in your own. It's like it's like looking at your photo album with an audience. Yeah and it's very I mean. Obviously I've mixed feelings about it. You know it's like a kid I. It's hard to get totally on board. I mean I as a piece of sort of if I can view it as a piece of separate you know art again. It's it's I like it for that reason. I also like it for the reason that it was just a group of friends. And we're just trying to do this thing and I thought that was really great But also it's kind of it's kind of tough to get it. You know my memories of it were know it was about such a horrible You know about such horrible break up early life and all the amount of emotion that was poured into it and pain that was poured into it and and And maybe that's what makes enjoyable for other people but it's sort of you know when you when you make something you know when you kind of make something out of a crappy situation bright you know and people love people love think like. Oh that's great but yeah man. It was hard was it. Yeah sure yeah well. It was It was so real and everyone. I think I think the reason why people love that movie because you can just so identify with that raw emotion of being that age and just how important those first loves were. Yeah you know I mean there's nothing like it you can go on your life and have a million relationships but those first ones are just so impactful raw because you know how to deal with any of those feelings yet and the chemicals in your brain rory all over the place it every day feels like a Mog y song thank you know missy missing a phone call especially at that you know in those days when there was there were no cellphones When somebody when you get home and your mom said some young lady it felt like it's like a Maga Song did start in your head and you're like what was her name right. She's like she's sound like I don't so yeah that's so funny true All right well we can get back to the future. Now Yeah I should tell everyone that the original not original plan but the plan that you hatched a couple of days ago as hey. Why don't you come over and watch it the night before and I thought that was a great idea but then you very wisely I think said you know what maybe Maybe we should not watch it together because then we'll be recreate because there's no way we could have sat down and watched it and talked about. Yeah Yeah in real time. Yeah so I watched it last night and said a lot of the lines out loud that I was Better that I was alone. Yeah for sure and I did too so I. I like to think it's Kinda funny that you and I are both in the here. Let let go through the questions. I don't want to forget your questions. I like the idea of a be. Yeah because I like the idea of your like consistent you know like consistent questions for each guest okay I. I think that's great. Also I have a great first movie for you all right. Well then. Let's go into five questions the first movie your remember seeing in the theater the Elephant Man. David was going on. This is a true thing It came out in one thousand nine hundred eighty when I was four. And this is right before we moved from California to North Carolina And my mom had. She did daycare so she brought a gang of us to the movie song of the South. Yeah Yeah a movie that was released in one thousand nine hundred eighty and now banned. Because it's horrifyingly racist. Yeah but at that time it was Disney and we all know. Disney's is lily white and pure and perfect. I remember the release for sure. Yeah and when I worked in Raleigh North Carolina. Do I worked in a tape. Duplication Place de Duping videotape. Right and a Lotta people wanted They they wanted POW transfers to NTSC. Right of Song of the south on videotape So I would make a lot of those transfers but what happened is my mom. Took all the kids to Song of the South. I think not having any idea of its racist over and then I needed to use the restroom and I remember it was one of those early situations where you have to go into the ladies restroom with your mom when you're a kid that's a little whatever it's strange and so i. We walked out of the restroom together. And she I wasn't paying attention but I walked right into the elephant man which was playing in the theater next next to this house and I walked in and it was it was black and white and I was city I was standing there staring at the screen and it was a moment where John Eric is in the In the hospital and this nurse is bringing him up some tea and she sees him for the first time and she drops the to the t tray and when I as a year old saw his face and his hair in you know in a suit the way he was dressed. I just you know. It was like probably traumatizing. Sh- it was. It was really shocking. Like my whole nervous system was kind of stopped and to this day. Strangely it's sort of. It's it's It's become something where the song Zubeidi do die from Sony. The South terrifies me. But I love the movie the Elephant Man. That's like it still is. Yeah you know you you you have like one hundred top five films. Well twenty top five films right and it's definitely one of those but that's on the conjures up a fierce this song Yeah the songs zippy do not unlike the magician's apprentice From fantasia those kind of happy happy sounding things are just like a broken care for me. Yeah it's funny. How songs Whatever trauma is going on in your life when you're a kid. Though songs years later I have one from the BG's deep. Is Your love ahead very dark scary day in Elementary School. One day and my father was a high school. Principal ran into my dad's office crying and that song was on so to this day. I mean all these years later that fucking song comes on and it just triggers something. It's like it's sites in my body. I guess Oliver Sacks would have talked about how the so the music would imprint. Then the visuals. Yeah Yeah because when I'm gathering when I'm telling you that story and I'm getting together the visuals of what happened the address. My mom is wearing. I know is address. I saw in a photograph. You know like I'm cobbling things together but this the feeling of the song is not cobbled together. It's it's in there What was your first order rated movie? I. I don't know what I do. Remember is Somebody in a couple of neighborhoods over had. Hbo and clan of the Cave Bear. Oh yeah was playing. I never saw it on the rumor around school. Was Daryl Hannah. Yeah and her bubis there were on. Were on screen. Um and and I had. I didn't like the guy who had HBO. But I tried to get involved in the sleepover that was happening but I just I wasn't. I couldn't do it those early cable. Tv days are pretty special. Totally those a lot of UH clandestine viewing. Yeah late night. Viewing even train your alarm clock at midnight. Wake up because porkies was on exactly but I do you know obviously die hard like we said and Goodfellas was pretty massive and there was a moment where I rented. My Mom. Loves a good mystery And she's also a very very good Christian woman right and delightfully so and so at the video store that I later worked at when I was a teenager I convinced her to To rent the name of the Rose Right based on the Umberto Sean Connery Right. And it's sort of like a monk as Sherlock Holmes and she was like this is great. You know it's Jesus and lowered its Sherlock Holmes together. Yeah and what she didn't take into account was this insanely explicit sex scenes between Christian slater and this woman whose name I should've looked up. She was this beautiful. I think she was an Italian actress that I'd never seen and have never seen again. But she was sort of peasant who who picked through the the trash that the the monastery throughout the back of their castle ball or something and when she re ripped off Christian slater's close. It was my first watching a sex scene with your mom situation. Nothing worse in the world is a as a young boy as nothing more uncomfortable. I don't know was eleven or twelve or some- somewhere in there. Yeah but it was. Just lock up that Shit. Yeah employees and I think part of the panic was due to the the the you know the battling forces of you know titillation because blood is still rushing to your penis rather you like it or not biology. Exactly Science can't fight with science and then your mom sitting right there and And you hear her her hand moving more and more slowly to the popcorn bowl to her mouth and finally it just she just stops eating popcorn and the chew. Lena for popcorn completely stopped and I and I remember as I was looking at it. Well two things. I wanted to go to the bathroom or act like I. Oh excuse me mom I just need to use the but I felt like I was would make more of a deal. Had I done that and I wanted to and I thought well this'll be over soon It wasn't overseeing it was really explicit any credible and and and also you know you just wanted to stay completely still but then you think well that's not very natural so you do like view so you stretch yawn but that seems very self conscious and I remember at at one point. My mother said after the chewing and the popcorn easy had stopped. I remember she said she said well. That's very explicit and I didn't say anything and then and then it stopped but I knew I think I looked at the VCR like counter. You know the time kosher that fake time code and I had an idea where that scene was so that when she went to bed could we watch it and I think she even. Yeah so I think she even like took the the the the video cassette and like put it by the by her car keys or something like I'm taking this back immediately. Yeah but of course. I went back and watched it later that evening. And it was gorgeous and delightful. Well it's good filmmaking. It's wonderful it's beautiful woman. Too Beautiful Man. Everything was Nice about it. Yeah if your mom was like My parents that for them that probably them off the hook from ever having to talk to you about sex. Yeah I'm sure she she check some boxes in her head now Number three we walk out of a bad movie I will. I will walk out of a bad movie and it's horrible today New York because it's like a seventeen yes situations it's a loss so it's a big loss Supposedly you can get your money back if not too much time has passed. I've heard eat really. Politics can said that he is asked and the If it's within a certain timeframe than they'll they won't give you your money back but they'll give you a pass to come back. That will I did that with God I'm blanking on the movie now. It's it's that German film about the mother and the father and he come. It was like the best film of last year or something. It was a Airmont anyways. I did that recently at the soon to be closed Lincoln Plaza cinemas because there was nowhere to sit. Oh Yeah there. There were seats at the know not the variable edges. Yeah and because the guys there have to deal with so many cranky. Septuagenarian New Yorkers can like right there Columbus you know. It's a couple of blocks up from from Lincoln Center. I my friend just so politely and patiently. There's a long way I'm you know I'm sorry to bother you about this. And they give us a pass so yeah actually no they did. Give us our money back really. Because I didn't go back what Do you have you walked out of one lately that you just hated not lately and I and I did I did try to remember the few that have walked out of the one that I remember from a long while ago was strange days. All right. Kathryn bigelow yeah. I even saw that great. I remember the movie was pretty bad. Yeah it was great to the that must have been missed up. Yeah I'm I'm I duNNo. I Dunno where I am with Kathryn. Bigelow both locker in zero dark thirty. Were both great. Also that the yeah. I think you're definitely right But there was some. There was a scene in strange days where there was some kind of like there was some sort of future hairnet. You put on your head where you see through someone else's eyes who you know I put on the Hairnet and I see you looking at me in my brain and it was some sort of future contraption like this and there was a woman if I remember correctly there was a woman being raped and this bad guy had stuck the hairnet on her so she was seeing her own self being raped in her brain. Is it's awful and I just. I just said this is. This is this is enough. By the same token I saw irreversible for the fourth time last weekend and I still think. That's a brilliant amazing movie. What is that? It's guest barn away. Monica BELLUCCI and a ten minute horrifying rape scene. Oh right right and and the reason I like that film so much is because I don't think it treats rape cheaply right I so it's definitely the most visceral film I've ever seen in my life when they there was a murder on on on screen. I thought it was. I thought to myself she jesus. They've kidnapped someone and they've murdered a vagrant on on on screen and I feel like in that film. They treat these things. It's like if you're going to mess around with something like rape. Yeah let's let's do it or not do it. You can't go halfway on this and I think part of the reason I was so offended by it in strange days was because he was going halfway or if they were going halfway well and to use it as a plot device almost yeah and and and it reversible and there's lots of people that hate that film and I just don't care but To I mean that's the whole movies about And I feel like if you're an explore that subject will then shoot. It should be what the whole movies about right or or make something else right and also Monica Bellucci deserved Fucking Academy Award for that movie. Because she I mean scraping cement and your fingernails and bloodied knees. And you know he said guess born away said that she had watched a lot of deliverance And I spit on your grave. Wow and when she did this ten minute scene with this kickboxer who was the guy I mean? Besides the nudity. She was kind of throwing every performance and it was and to be one of the biggest stars in in Europe and and in the world especially at that time. I mean I just haven't seen I haven't seen actors definitely female actors. I hadn't seen anyone go for it like that. Yeah in a physical way like Esau heard. It was terrifying. I gotTA check that out because certainly you know certainly in films we have this way of you know we keep we keep the the very beautiful actresses in a glass box on film and we kind of let the less attractive people kind of do the dirty work or do the stunts do the You know the supporting role type stuff. They're the ones who goes through the death scenes or have the gore-splattered all right whatever. Yeah and this was Monica Baluchi taking the whole film by the throat right and saying no no. I got this and it was. I don't know what yours at eight. It was the year. No it was two thousand. Oh one maybe it was the year that all the real girls was that Sundance. Oh because I saw it at Sundance people. Somebody fainted. Somebody threw up. Wow an enormous amount of people walked out and they didn't just walk out. They screamed obscenities at the screen while they were walking out. The girl next to me sort of jumped over my legs and collapsed into the lap of what I came to understand. Was her boyfriend. Who is sitting on this side of me And spent the whole the whole of the movie sort of crying in his lap. Wow while he was like he was holding her and staring at the screen Crazy yeah it was. It was the nuttiest time I've had and then and then of course after the screen guest bar. No a you know. He stood on on on stage. And said what's the big deal? That's all a European exactly. Do you have guilty pleasure movies or movie? Well I don't know if I don't guilty pleasure movies I've got guilty pleasure TV. Okay if I were to throw out some guilty pleasure movies. It would be like sound of music but that is an incredible incredible film. So it's not like yes that's not guilty pleasure TV but I wa- I what we watch Santa Music every Christmas and I think every time it's sort of maybe it's just a very that's not guilty. That's just a very pleasurable movie And I was I was thinking about this and all of my stuff is like to me. These are legitimate pleasures. But it's America's funniest videos Still Yeah Yeah. That's the one. Yeah I don't watch the Ribeiro stuff. I watched Tom Burns. Ron The the og. Bob Sag G. Okay and then it was. John Fuel Sang and daisy says. Oh Yeah Okay so you go deep and well I go. I go just the Tom version on these sort of section and And so do that. That's that's what I do And that that was the one show that my all my family could get on and and then I do Bud Greenspan made these Olympics documentaries for every like every for every Olympic Games. I don't know if he's still does them. And I'm not exactly sure how far they go back. But I I just turn on Youtube and grab one of these like the one thousand nine hundred. Eighty eight Calgary Winter Olympics. And it's like all the back stories of all the Olympics or the Olympians You know this check skier and how her father passed away. He you know all that of stuff and and how they carried rocks up the mountain to train and all that stuff and for some reason definitely sports documentaries are do it for me. The remember Wide Wide World of sports When we were kids that was just like appointment television on Sunday afternoons. And that's where as a kid. We would be exposed to stuff that you had never seen before and I felt like they always told a bit of a story to right. Yeah it wasn't the prep story. Yeah Yeah And and great British baking show. Oh those yeah. I love any kind of like the kids baking championship. Yeah I'm a big cooking. Show Guy Really. Yeah top chef yeah forever. Yeah see I could. I had to break great British. Because it's like it's so multicultural and everyone roots for each other. And you know the one of the winners. Was this beautiful young. You know a Muslim woman who you know with an English accent. And she's got four kids and they showed her at home and every time someone gets voted off. They surround her or him with hugs. That's nice and and it's not. It's like the Anti Gordon Ramsay. You know there's not a Lotta yelling. And then and then it's so funny because they do all the competitions on the grounds of some Downton Abbey looking estate right and so the be roll his like baby. Lambs and like or like drips of Dr- do sort of coming off a blade of grass. Like it's so anti what. America is right now and and that is Yeah when fall hits. I just kind of re watched all those seasons. I've heard other people talk about the show and a need to get into that. It will now. It's become something else I mean. They change relations. And so the I think the first four seasons are kind wear. I'm and that you know they've got these two hosts These two Comedians MEL and another woman whose name I can't remember who are who you know. And it's it's such an amazing mix of like soft and sweet. English gentility plus like Insane Sexual innuendo really yeah. It's just that it's like that at the British humor thing you know this very kind of like this kind of upright A break presentation but was a little sort of dark underpinning and then the craziest cookies you've ever seen in your life then you get that. Yeah and then. I had to store a sadly October Sixteenth Nineteen seventy-two to Congressman Vanish on a small plane in Alaska despite a massive search. They're never found. The case goes cold. That is until I start researching it. I'm standing right. Portage Pass and Alaska. My name is John Wall Zach. I'm a journalist based in New Orleans. And what I found is one of the strangest stories you've never heard. 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I think I think they think it's just a creeping hood and their right if they said I was creeping hood they would be more right than if they said I was. I mean deep inside. I feel more like a creepy hooded guide. And I do whoever Schneider as are you by yourself or do you go with do you. Shut out your wife and friends or do they. Just I would say no. But you'd have to ask my wife and friends but so you do when you go with them. Though I a little bit yeah sometimes. I'll tuck my ears out of the Yeah so I don't miss any of the around and that's easier lately. It's been a lot of like cold water and Sour Patch. Kids Yep If I feel like I can do some snow. Caps okay And a couple of times my wife and I have sat at the way back of the theater and brought in some boxed wine. Oh and popcorn. Yeah we had amazing screening of the live action beauty and the beast and sat at the back and got drunk is coupled shit house rats and eat popcorn and had the greatest time watching that. That's great Sneaking booze with the box wine. You don't have to cough loudly while you open. A beer can no. Yeah no you just twist it right off in your you know you know. Chablis yeah that's a good idea because my wife and I can't Well we have a kid now so we never get to movies much anymore but even before that we would go to dinner and then you know have little wine at dinner. And then she's not one she's like after I've had she didn't want to drink in the movie That capture. I've had a glass of wine or two. I don't want to sit in a movie there. I'll get tired Or I'll say well go or stop. Drinking is her thing. We'll go to. We'll go to the theater. Regan have the glass of wine but that never worked either no and well now they have a the you know all the theatres have food. And who's there but that's also US walking to the movie theater you know it's not like you have to dry in blocks away so that's why we like where we live. That's great You in Brooklyn No. Yeah okay. Here's what I thought All right back to the future. Bring it all right. Let's do this. I watched it last night again for the even know. How many times I assume the same is probably true for you It's a damn near perfect movie and I did see where. Usc Film School Trots it out is the perfect screenplay and the viruses So let's talk about it which to me means oftentimes that. I won't like it was if it if it's the perfect screenplay because when I was in film school and I was watching movies like Mike Lees naked and Kieslowski's three colours trilogy great. Yeah totally and And or Peter or whatever I felt like for something to be good they had to be vaguely negative You know it was sort of like. They had to be sort of dark and talk about serious things. And that's what made them good and smart couldn't be just a big Hollywood feel good fund right and then and of course I saw UNIVAC a future. When was a kid and it was great and then. I didn't see it for many years and then I saw after film school and I started to get into the idea of like the science of plotting and the science of You know you take Joseph Campbell and then you lay in math and then you get you know you get be inciting incidents and lock INS and second act breaks and you know these elements that when I was when I was younger. I thought were sort of you. Know that that's too prescriptive and it's too formulaic and it's just not you know. That doesn't create a a pleasurable experience for me and also the subject matter has to be dark for it to be good and and then when I saw back to the future later I kind of really got into and start to admire like the science and the math of amazing plotting. Yeah and then so tight. It's it's last night. I I was thinking about how many clocks there are in the movie and I never thought about that for obviously it beginning. Yeah obviously that but then You know when when he when he oversleep when he's headed out to meet DOC Brown for the twin Pines Mall to seize the DELOREAN FOR THE FIRST TIME. A AT THE MALL. And there's a clock on his Like a An alarm clock on his On his bed as he wakes up and goes out shit. I'm later whatever. Yeah and actually. There was another moment last night where he pulls out the video camera to start recording. Ah DOC explain You know the the delorean the flux capacitor or whatever and and actually Mardi looks at his watch any sheiks it this little digital Washington shakes it as if it's not working right and then yeah. Just all over yeah. So they're really toying with the idea of time and and at the end you know one of the things that interrupts dock from fixing the the the wire that connects the you know the lighting the angle to the it's the it's the the alarm Or The bell of the Clock Tower And it's it's ringing and and he can't hear anything And it's all over. I just I mean if you see. I think part of the enchantment of the Dan. I think if I'm not wrong it might pull out from the clock face at some point. There's you know of course and then there's George MC fly looking at his his watch going. I'm late yeah to save lorraine right from this fake right fake assault erase which turns out to be a real assault which turns out to be. Super Insanely A serious and yeah and dangers now man like when you're when I was a kid it's just seem so light but now when you see things through adult is that scene. Yeah I mean it was an attempted rape totally and scary. Well I I remember when I was a kid seeing it and thinking and thinking this is really bad and I don't. I don't grasp exactly what's going on. But especially when Leah Thompson Leans up and says George helped me yes. She's really panic totally. Yeah and and I at that moment and and like last night when I watched it I was like this is really serious. Like this is this is really bad And I'm surprised that I that that it was. I don't think it was treated lightly back then but I don't I don't know if they would film at the same way now probably not. Yeah Yeah there's a couple of things anytime you go back and watch movies from the eighty s Through today's lens there can be problematic. Sure but There was that of course the The white man really discovers rock and Roll Berry copies him and I'm sure at the time they decide what clever little thing here race is. How Chuck Berry Got US thing right? And they don't think about. Oh wait a minute. What are we saying here right? Really or Goldie Wilson. It was a very sort of Stephan. Fetches typed black character gold tooth right and you know kind of. I'm going to clean up this town. Yeah and that was sort of like it was surprising to see that character so One dimensional When all the other guys were realized yeah definitely a pretty pretty lame way to do that and the Libyan terrorists in their VW butts. Yeah exactly that could drive as fast as delorean. Yeah and and well whatever the obviously terrorism is a whole nother deal but part of the reason I liked. I liked well when I was thinking about it last night. I was thinking. Why is this things enjoyable? And I think part of what I came up with is seen doubles. Yeah like we see one version in nineteen fifty five and we see one version in one thousand nine hundred five For almost everything even the dog Einstein who had never live for thirty years but we see a puppy in Nike considered that. That's funny. Yeah and I think in general. There's like this deep sort of brains sort of reptilian brain stem satisfaction in seeing growth and decay in time. We see you know the key. The you know the pedants of Of the lion estates concrete line estates or in the future. They're kind of crummy and in the past there bright and shiny and and obviously the same is true with the town and we see how people have turned out and just like we see you know just like when we see youtube videos of some father taking photographs of his daughter the first day of school for eighteen years right. And there's there's I it. Some it must be some deep human enjoyment of seeing time pass And sort of see how things work out and and you know that that movie gives us a real thirty year jump you know. We don't have to wait thirty years to see how George turns out or Lorraine turns out or whatever I mean we're seeing these things through Marty and he's just as kind of blown away as we would be if you know if we were in that situation I feel like there's something in like seeing doubles And seen time pass in an instant right and obviously backwards and forwards. But I mean like if that's your sort of central core idea that I think it's automatically enjoyable to human being. Yeah and it's there's I forgot I forgot what a magical feeling. It was as soon as he He crashes into the Barn. Get shot at Leave ditches the delorean and walks into town and right when he comes round that corner when Mister Sandman. Sorry come on. It's like it was magic. It was like All of a sudden like you're right like he goes back to the glory days of that town Before it was graffitied up and those the porno theater I think multiple porno. Yeah Yeah Yeah exactly. Sure Yeah And it was a magical experience even as an adult watching that when he comes around. You hear that bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-ba Because I think we all sort of idealize that time but he what he learned was was mom drinks and mom We'll into a car and make out with a guy and it. It wasn't idealized under once once. He scratched the surface. You know no I yeah. It was interesting because people have obviously people have all the I mean I mean. Clearly people have all the problems now that they did then and then as they do now but but there was a real. I. I don't know if this is a real term but I always think of it as like psychological logic Like as much as they didn't draw the Goldie Wilson character correctly. They drew so many other characters crash early and I remember. I just wrote a note so I wouldn't I wouldn't Forget it all right right right. So like the psychological logic of when lorraine when when Marez back in nineteen eighty-five at the very beginning of the movie And he comes home and they slapped down uncle. Joey's you know parole cake with that sound effect. That is really draw. It's always been really jarring to me. That whack the metal pan on that yeah There's a real logic to win. Lorraine describes the night she met George. She talks about him having been hit by the car and that our father bringing him and bring him in and she says he was like a little lost puppy he was so helpless right and that is not the makings of a good marriage. Great people don't start great marriages with that first attraction being of of something. That is helpless. Yeah it just doesn't and it and it makes sense that they'd be kind of in this kind of fracturous laborious drunken relationship or at least her. Her half of it was drunk. Yeah That raised a couple of sort of you know annoying kids and father who's totally withdrawn living in the past through Jackie gleason and everything else and of course in the same way that that same woman the rain Who who desperately needed some kind of feeling of protection She got it from George and the second version of the past when he said to biff. No birth you leave her alone. And then what did he do? Punch out. Punch the biff out and that he would great moments it yeah definitely and Christie. I mean Crispin Glover's performance. We can talk about an hour. But he punches biff and he's looking at his hand and he's going and then he turns back to Lorraine who's on the ground and Leah Thompson is look gorgeous you know in those moments and he He turns to her any stops his his heavy. I can't believe what I just did breathing. And he goes are you okay. And he's sort of. He's just enough of a hero. You're not GonNa take that Guy Tournament to into John Maclean Right. He a believable version of hero. And he's just as amazed that he did what he did as as as his schoolmates are when they run up and say that George mcphee. Yeah I mean it's a little ham-fisted but also very sweet when it's said George ever thought about running for class President Edrich for sure mean punch was that was what changed the future and setup that perhaps the most satisfying ending in movie history totally We'll we'll get to that in a second but But that that and there was another moment that I saw last night or that I've seen forever. I love at the beginning right when Marty meets George The young version of George. Yeah the diner. Diner and biff comes in with Billy Zane and I didn't realize it was billy's and Casey seismic. Oh and the other actor who's who's I I'm sure as brilliant and a great person whose name I can't remember but they they start bullying George about him. Having to you know re re copy some reports he was going to plagiarize and And the guy in the back with you know with the cutoff fingered gloves. He says to biff. Like look at this guys like you know I. It looks like he's in the Navy. This life preserve and so biff turns to him and the whole gang's focus is back onto marty right and they're kind of like a moment of making fun of Marty and in that moment when they cut back to biff Crispin Glover as George is also making fun of Marty. What a Dorky. Guy Noticed that and it was the perfect. That's real right. It's the perfect. Moment of like this guy is the victim and now the focus of the the bullies and the gangs are on someone else and what does he become? He becomes his own version of a bully. Yeah just he's desperate to get to not be victim man. I never noticed it. Oh man it's the great I don't know if that's Bob or crispin or what but it was such the most real that's the psychological logic that I don't that I don't see in Hollywood a ton and I certainly don't see in those very formulaic screenplays. Yeah a ton and I just didn't again I don't know if it's crispin or or as a Meka's but it a little touch oh man it was like to me and for a for an audience member. I see that I see that serious scalpels ask version of truthful behavior and I can believe sort of the rest of the move you know. I'm on board with so much of the rest of the movie based on a couple really seriously observed moments. I'm sort of on board with kind of whatever they do. And of course what happens is great. Yeah but but they can make mistakes along the way and I'd still be onboard. Yeah another moment that I thought was really kind of subtle as that you see differently as adults when at the end when Marty says you know only had more time I could go back and save. Doc got a time machine. Ten minutes ought to do it and as an adult. I'm thinking Oh my God give yourself ten hours before. Why do you want to cut it that close right so I was laughing at that but then if no you know what that's exactly what a sixteen year old kid would do? Yeah because you don't think in terms at sixteen because I never noticed that when I saw it as a Kid. I probably thought yeah. Ten minutes is great. Yeah clear time time to save him from Libyan terrorists and I don't remember the last time I did this. The car cut out and I couldn't get started right. You consider those things and I just now and just after he types that in the car wouldn't start clearly a problem with the car and that's that's that's that's That's the truth of delorean. Well that's right But there were so many little like the coronet starting the At the end. Doc Not being able to plug in the thing Like just when you think all right got it. Zemeckis throws one more little ranch in the plan and all that does is just ramp up the tension and the steaks and as a fifteen year old. You don't know what's happening you just know you're like Oh my God not that not that right and and of course the lightning scene is is my wife actually came in and we. We like that scene was on. It's just like it's undeniably tents. Yeah I mean it just keeps on working and I think part of the reason it works so well is because all the all the moments of ratching all the moments of tension being ratcheted up are realistic. You're of course the branch comes down and you know what I mean like. It's it's it's there's not really a jump into unrealistic action. Yeah it all makes I mean maybe the one moment is when he drops that connector and it rips into his pants he maybe. That's a little hard like you said you already on board right because because other things seem to realistic which makes me think the other thing that made me really you know. I think admire that film. Once I started acting in films. Was this idea of the courage. It takes for especially Christopher Lloyd and Crispin Glover to be so out there in their performances before they knew that the that that out there style of acting would fit into this movie. Yeah Crisp I mean the casting of Crispin Glover and that performance just gave it enough weirdness totally you know but the movie like I you know when I'm making films I'm always not sure at the beginning like is it. Is this small realistic acting. Is this kind of. Does this have a mumble core vibe or is that what we're doing or is this? Is this You know I you know Charlie and the chocolate factory I mean are we like really out there. Can we do anything or are we? Can't we and you know there are moments in you. Know there's Roberson performance in Cape fear the remake. He's so out. There and southern accent is so bad so but for some reason I like I buy it for some reason. And he knew how far to push it and I'm I'm really interested in performances like Christopher Lloyd's and Crispin Glover Glover's where they can push it as like like as far as they can to the edge of a realistic performance. And then they stop. Where's that another actor? Who is maybe less ballsy would keep it. Keep it in the middle summer because they weren't sure what style of movie was around them right so when when we meet Christopher Lloyd and he says already I mean that's like if I was on set and I saw that I'd be like Oh man. This guy is going way too far right exactly and same with Crispin Glover but those guys are so locked in and it's almost like the movie itself sort of rose up to meet their performance. Yeah I mean granted. It's a it's a time machine movie. Yeah so you know. Obviously there's some some room to play well and they got to shoot a lot of that twice though. Because you know the Eric Stoltz thing yeah I mean. They shot five weeks. Yeah If you listen to the Thomas Wilson the gay played if he will say. They shot most of the movie. I don't think that's quite true but I did think it's interesting and I have seen. Have you seen some of the footage It's definitely freaky. Yes but I think it's interesting to get a Redo of for the other actors And what if that changed anything on there end you know? Yeah I mean especially if they saw any other dailies which I bet they didn't but I mean the idea of a Redo is I mean. That's I would be incredible as an actor to be low man because all I mean all you do are all I do. When I'm done acting is a couple of weeks go by and then I just you know I just think like oh I could have done that better or natural. Yeah yeah but it's it's surprising to me. Sometimes you know when you perform how you know. I was in this genre film. Flowers of war. Hasn't for like thirty seconds but when we shot it It was Christian. Bale and I in a scene and the the English translation of the Chinese script was it was just kind of Wonky and it just didn't yeah. It was like a literal translation which is not which doesn't work and I asked shame. Oh so politely I said. Hey can I can. I'm monkey around with the script a little bit. This doesn't sound American at all and he said what is monkey around me right factory. Exactly exactly know. His daughter is his sort of translator and assistant and editor. And she's just really super intelligent capable woman and And so Christian. Bale and I sat down and kind of scorched the script around at least English part of the script around and we kind of came up with what we were going to say fifteen minutes before we shot it and the budget on this thing was insane. Yeah There were one hundred extras as dead bodies as I'm running through the streets this bombed-out know Chinese village and it was amazing to me that we had sort of you not written the script. But we've sort of come up with the script or that scene minutes before we shot it. Yeah we shot it on a steady cam with this hotshot operator. I think we've just done old boys. Some everyone was. I really wanted to have some. I wanted to get some stories for him but he was clearly busy But you know we did it. You know we probably did it for four times on my side. We probably did a four times on Christian side and that was it. And it's it's it's crazy that most of the time while I'm acting I'm doing something for basically the first time ever in my life. Yeah as someone who I'm not ever supposed to have been and we're filming it and that's pretty much it So every movie is like me getting on the the you know the pitcher's mound during the world series I rarely ever pitched before and then it feels like the next movie is like me in the NBA Championship. I've never played basketball before you know. It's the finals of Wimbledon. I'm not tennis player. You know it feels like every movie is me doing something for the first time at the highest level. Yeah with the most nerves attached. Yeah and I you kind of have to just kind of do it? Yeah that doesn't sound to me though like a like a typical actors insecurity though that sounds like something different almost like you just have to have faith obscene. All right this is. This is what I'm GONNA do won't try to throw a fastball. Yeah Yeah and and I've a lot of it is is kind of learning how to look like you know how to do something and because I edit. I studied editing and film school. I mean the acting thing is very kind of late coming and I didn't really mean to do it. But because I spent so much time editing performances and film school you know you kind of learn how much how much power you having changing or or Or improve improving performance secure. Secure feeling yeah definitely so I think in that respect when I'm acting I I'm sort of into the idea of kind of giving someone options right. I mean options that are within the ban with what I think is realistic for this character and this situation But I don't you know when I when I hear awards. Acceptance speeches or people refer to some you know supreme authorship of their performance right I think the actor well you know I always want to see the shot of the editor when an actor getting an Oscar saying your address maybe yeah exactly and they say like I couldn't have done this without X Y and Z. And I WANNA I wanNA I wanNA. I'm thinking to myself like you absolutely couldn't have done this without the editor the editor. No they should think costuming and hair and makeup and directing but they never thanked the editor. But I would say I mean all that stuff is clearly. It's legit and and a big deal but there's nobody in the in the film making process that's spending more time staring at you and your body or your tics and mannerisms your behaviors endlessly than the editor. Yeah like stressing over individual frames of film. Frames seem as good as possible right so this person has seen like the pixels of your performance. Yeah for Real. And what do you do? You think the producer your studio right. Yeah exactly and I mean. Obviously that's about getting your next job and I understand that but I mean as far as as far as WHO's really making your performance happen it's you and the editor. Yeah not even the director the directors there is there sort of you know they're their You know they are if you're there kind of passenger on your particular journey right and they're helpful to point in certain but you're you have to get there. Yeah and that that brings me back to Michael J. Fox and how you know how a of times lead character like we've talked about has to sort of. He has to be bland to be able to Guam onto as an audience member and go on his journey. He can't be too specific. I thought Mardi was very specific. You know obviously not quite as sort of out there. S Christopher Lloyd or or Crispin Glover or Thomas Wilson Right But he was in no way bland and I think part of what I really enjoyed about his performance like like after I watched it again last night was the physicality of it. Yeah he is sprinting. From one scene to the next is playing guitar and when he plays Obviously he didn't play guitar but he learned the cords. Apparently to johnny be good right so he was. He was sinking along with the courts. And I also respect the movie. Where the drummer? Because I used to play drums. Drummers were both drummers were on point the drummer for the pinheads at the beginning where Huey Lewis is one of the judges. He was the drums properly. And then the drummer for Marvin Berry in the Star Letter Stereo. Yeah he was on it. But but Michael J. Fox is jumping off of the amp Landing on his knees you know. Sliding on his knees when he when he sees biff through slide off the back of I guess it's probably Doc Brown's car that he borrowed yeah right so when he slides off the back of Doc Brown's car after Georgia's punched him out mark and then the people behind him say is that is that Georgia fly and when Michael J. Fox sort of realizes what time it is and sort of busts through this crowd of extras to go get the guys to get back on stage. Yeah he sort of climbs over this one woman's like furred mink stole or whatever she has on yeah and really pushes them out of the way. That's just not something that happens on a movie set. You don't sort of grapple with the extras use a flip over a lady at one point two onto the sidewalk Which seemed like by bombs into her and sort of like he runs into her with the skateboard now. I can't remember which part it was but it struck me as well of like how he kind of went for it physically totally as well like. If I'm if I'm running through a bunch of Extras I. Maybe I'm a bad actor. But like I don't I don't check them with my shoulder going. Pass them but he. I mean but it makes total sense. The I mean this guy. Is You know the stakes used to be that he would be stuck in nineteen one thousand nine hundred five right. That sucks but then once once he starts seeing his brother and sister disappear. He's life is through. His life is threatened. Yeah and so that whole formulaic script. Those hole light. You know the the the the math of great script a who no you have to have the same goal but the stakes of that goal. Yeah have to keep rising and the strategy for which you achieve. That goal has to change According to the skills that you've learned along the way and the only way you're going to completely achieved the goal is if you can finally do at the end what you were scared of at the beginning. That's like right deeply. Joseph Cambell chef. Well yeah in the beginning. The pinheads fail right. The end he succeeds as a musician if he didn't know how to play guitar. 'cause it's just so perfectly setup up totally. Marvin hurting his hand. So Marty has to literally save himself and his life by getting his parents to kiss right an even when even there you think are a great. He's playing guitar they're GonNa Kiss Zemeckis. Throws that Dickhead in their breaks in and says this is my dance or whatever yes and I cut in right just another little level of Alma. God will you please like yeah? I realized so scared that it wasn't going to happen. Yeah the Red Haired Kid. Yeah bothers me. Maybe as much as biff bothers me As it actor well gee just because he comes in at that moment of like if moment of high stress I mean like he's sort of ads like the top layer of sweat on my forehead in that scene and I realized last night he was one of the three kids who was kicking Crispin Glover in the but only when he had the kick me sign on his back and strickler strickland He said you know he he you know. He grabbed the sign off his back. Get Your Shit together the heat but the red haired kid was one of those bullies. War realize that man and he had that laugh and Allen's semesters music at that point was just like at its crescendo. Yeah that the. That's the last scene you know that scene and then the one leading up to the lightning bolt seen just like if you're falling asleep which you shouldn't anyways but like if you're falling asleep and screening you're awake then yeah it's just so expertly put together And then that ending of course satisfying ending in nineteen fifty five and then I just remember being fifteen or whatever Eighty five fourteen and When the future had changed and his parents had money and he had in biff was the car her It just doesn't get any better than that even though it seeing it as an adult I thought why is his brother. Living at home totally. Yeah so of course now. I thought that was Kinda Fun but It just such a satisfying ending for a kid to see and as an adult. 'cause I think all kids think like especially if you come like you know we did like the middle middle class kids Like man I wanted the shiny truck I didn't want the hand-me-down Volkswagen beetle now I was happy to have it or the one thousand nine hundred eighty nine Toyota tercel and what was great. Is that like during the opening sequence of the clocks and the dog food and the plutonium and all that stuff there was a I during that kind of Rube Goldberg Machine. The the robot arm or whatever at some point the the radio gets flicked on the TV gets flicked talks about the plutonium stolen and and they say that it's just a clerical error. It's missing being a clerical error. At some point the radio is turned on. And there's an advertisement for statler Toyota. Oh I didn't notice that which becomes you know the Toyota truck that he has at the end. Yeah so dense. It's so dense but for some reason it doesn't that crab can get very annoying on some movies and I don't understand why it's not this time I mean it's it's because you can't say it's subtle either. You know like it's not. It's one of those weird things at all. Just worked right. You know. I mean there was that you know when he jumps into the There was one point where Mardi jumps into the delorean. And there's a tiny tilt down to the video camera and his Walkman And of course those become such big deals later on right when he gets. When he convinces van. Halen this great. Yeah and then maybe one of the best. I'm a big fan of movies that have great last lines Any and usually it's like an indie film and not big Hollywood movie where I think as a great last line but roads where we're going. We don't need roads right like Hollywood history right there. It's true and I don't think they I don't think they. I would really like to know what what was what was Improv. Or what moments a? Because I think it's easy to to think that nothing was nothing wasn't preplanned But I also don't think that if you do that you get the life and the vitality sometimes it. Was you know how movies are made in reality right but you know when you get that much pre planning you know that much kind of you know over Hitchcock's Te You know movie making it to me. It really presses down on on everything now granted. If you're dealing with like a mathematician like hitchcock you know yes. He was the best mathematician and so we enjoy a lot of his films. But you know you feel Jimmy Stewart. Or You could feel cary grant like trying desperately to kind of kind of moult out of this. Snakeskin of oppression And certainly we know that the women he worked with were just like put into you know trapped in a box And you know gazed at with you know insanely creepy is of course when Grace Kelly Leans in in rear window. I mean you know who's not a creep looking at Grace Kelly but but a lot of times when you feel that that math happening in a screenplay for me it it sort of strangles the ability for anyone to pop out like David Foolish in naked right you know you never get that much of a Barf of humanity but for some reason back to the future still has that. Yeah and I wonder how much was preplanned. How much was Improv? And I and I bet as much as that movie feels like a a constructed rudimentary structured fair. I bet that there are moments in their of just happy accidents of of of because when you sort of set everything in a particular direction I think you you make you know you make those other moments possible right and I'm sure this is not the case but like you make possible someone you know that last line someone could you know. Christopher Lloyd is so in the head of Doc Brown and that I'm sure if they didn't write that line for him but instead said if you if there's anything you'd like to say during this last point the movie like Gopher Improv Alliance say whatever's on your mind I bet you wouldn't. It wouldn't be so bad you know it would probably be in line with what they wrote anyway but everything was so popping in that movie like you know. Li I was looking at Thompson. I was just like man of course like a great. Yeah and the whole cow. You know yourself for nine. Yeah I mean like it still makes me laugh totally them Calvin and the amount of physical comedy that that Michael J. Fox throws in when he's putting on his pants and then falls to the floor. He's getting out of her bedroom. There's Dean Candy. Actually sets the mirror of her in her bedroom. It like this Vanity Mirror in the bedroom So so we can see the door. As she's leaving the bedroom we can see her out the doorway right and we can see Michael J. Fox in sort of like the you know the right third of the frame and we see in the reflection of the the mirror. She opens the door and looks back at one. More one more view of male in his underwear and then runs out you know. She smiles with his bouncing curls and she runs out but yeah so cool really quickly. I need to tell you about When I went to visit my brother. Who's in the DJ trainee program in the Early Nineties? I had never been to. La went and visited him. He was working at universal at the time and I went to get him pick him up very late after work one night and it was it was empty. There was no one there at Uni and he said here. Go down here around the corner and pull around here and sure enough man I pull around the corner and this was in nineteen. Mike probably ninety so not long after this movie was out and I look ahead in. It's fucking Hill Valley Townsquare Serious Oh yeah the back lot. I mean it may still be there as part of the tour but there was strip road. That was the movie theater. That was the clock tower and I just chill ran up my spine. It was like the coolest thing ever. That's amazing yeah and it was empty. Those was probably one of the morning and I wonder if they you I mean certainly. They must have used that in other film. Yeah actually Tony Shalhoub somebody was the staying in the diner from the staying the same as it had already been. There really used it for back to the future. So it's just working back lot They tricked out with certain. Things obviously make Hill Valley right. But I think it's probably still there. I haven't been on that tour and forever. I've never done it. Yeah I mean they left it for years because back to the future of course when on to be one of the legendary moves of all time but it's definitely cool man even as adult like to walk around that set and that lot with that clock tower. And there's some documentary. They just had out. About the delorean. I think really. Yeah yeah as a hot shit car. It was for a minute and there was there was a lost going to say that's right. You feel good about this. Yeah we did. We cover it. Yeah we sure. Did we see if I had any other notes that I wanted to Goldie Wilson Toyota Red Lorraine Space Camp Liotta? Oh Yeah Guy. That was great. It totally I just want some kind of wonderful again. Oh really yeah. I haven't seen that for net once. Eric Stolt Yeah Right. Oh forgot yeah. They were in that together. Yeah and I should know this but who was the WHO is the young woman with short the drummer with short blond hair. Mary Stuart Masterson right as she was like the duckie character in that movie. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's a good one. That that she may have started my my her and Carey Lowell in licensed to kill the I think the Second Timothy Dalton James Bond Film. Yeah they both sort of jumpstarted. My insane sexual attraction for women with short hair. The pixie haircut. Yeah what's that was her name some wonderful i. It was a masculine name. Well he named It was after Charlie Watts. All the characters were named after rolling stones. I well good for him. I never would have thought that are amen. Thanks amazing this is great. I might have to go and watch the DVD extras now. Maybe we should do that. Yeah thanks aright everybody. That was back to the future with Paul Schneider back to the future plus and the whole lot more fun to talk to. Paul and I wish we lived in same town. 'cause I think pollen. I would be pretty good. Buds Is My heart cheese. 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Vampires, Cyborgs and Russian Dolls with Natasha Lyonne

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Vampires, Cyborgs and Russian Dolls with Natasha Lyonne

"Yeah. Sign me gag sigma to the pond the brand. The full die me the packing. Hey, this is your host JT also known as Devon sour also known as mccully Cogan. Hey, guys. So yeah, I've fantastic guest on this week an old friend of mine. But before we get into that. I kind of wanted to share a little story with you. So Stewart p Miller from Columbus, Ohio. He was staying with me for New York. And yeah, he really wanted to cook Weiner schnitzel, but I already had eaten. So we didn't eat winner Sissel last night. So I go to sleep and I wake up. And Stu woke up extra early. Like, I'm talking like six AM and made Weiner schnitzel. And then let the leftovers out on the table for me. And then he got on a plane any fluid, California. So now, I'm staring at Tupperware full of winner. Schnitzel that Stewart p Miller was very very proud of. So I kind of wanted to share that story with you because. I I'm kind of soft on the whole Weiner schnitzel thing. But yeah, I I'm kind of deciding whether or not I'm going to eat it or not. So anyway, I've really great guests on the speak. It's missed Natasha Leone old friend of mine. No. Would you not eat the winner Shinzo together, though? I probably should have in retrospect, so yeah, enjoy the show and stuff because she is a bad ass. Bitch. Loves you buy. Missed a in science Samuel F B Morse sent the first telegraphic message over an experimental line from Washington to Baltimore. The message read. Hey, girl, you up, and it was a dress to a young woman he had met once a few weeks ago at their mutual friend beverly's party. Of course, I'm up you've woken me with this strange unwanted communication. The woman reportedly replied more sent her made no further contact. I'm Mary Tyler most this has been this day in science. Okay. So I'm going to do an intro after this. So we can actually just go. To keep that part in the intro part? So I high amac how you doing better now. But in that better now now I was lonely before. You seem like you're in a mood. It's great. I noticed. I noticed you walked in you, you have a backpack and a purse it's because I'm having a birthday party tonight. That you're coming to. I was going to say happy birthday. Thank you. Yeah. All year. Never too late for gift. Yeah. We do this last year going rolling birthday, exactly. I always very like negative about my birthday like, oh, it's my birthday. So now, I'm gonna be depressed. Because like what does it all mean? And then this fucking him so old. You're welcome. Hey. Yeah. It's kind of like you start off like in life was like you can't wait till you like for your birthday we kid. And then all of a sudden you start dreading it. And then you start kind of accepting again just say it comes with such a meaning of life routine birthday of I was and then we're going to die. Did I do it? Right. Since mortality, and then, you know, and now you and me we're not babies anymore. New shit. We're babies. No. I know believe we're so little I know in this in this big city, and we were little and then and then now it's rap bound all that believe you me. I know my Bals. No, it's yes. To show biz kids. It's a wreck on that. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. But so the backpack is because I'm gonna stay at the hotel where you and me are gonna be watching the king of comedy later. Yes. I I've never seen it. So I'm looking forward. And I don't understand you're saying that you've never seen. Scarface Scarface is simple. I know what you you without these. Two movies. Listen, I was actually lead to the godfather party even to so. Father. Ultimately, what is it a period piece almost? Yeah. It's that patient from book. I don't. Harry Potter series. I swear I've never seen the Harry Potter movies yet. You know, I never read them. I don't have an interest in them. Yeah. I saw every single one of those movies because I'm a completion est. And every single woman that I was ever with was a big, Harry Potter person, Harry Potter. So I had to go on opening night every single time. Let's now I'm realizing that I think that I could spend all my money. I think the kind of eccentric I'd like to age into which is mostly what I'm focused on now. I think you've been aging to an eccentric click. He's early twenty one. But now zeroing in on because I it's a lot. It's a money to rent a screening rooms to show and LA for my birthday. I watched Lena work Mueller. Seven beauties, not a very popular film. I was gonna say the choice. We're your friends watch. Experienced it as sort of violence, but out of this is the unconditional part. Yeah. And I was like, you're welcome. Fuck h my birthday, but she was the first woman ever nominated for best director Lena weren't Mueller and the second one wasn't until nineteen Ninety-three. Jane Campion for the piano. Go Harvey tells Pete nuts that is. All it's all remember. I ended pack wouldn't want an Oscar. No, they wasn't edited scene edited out which was highly tells peanuts getting slammed into dano. Oh, really? Yeah. Are you? Are you joking? I'm being serious. I I was I was reading drafts early on just as early as I was a writer I and then acting so I didn't start acting till I was six but from one. A lot of like, you know, rewrite stuff. So that's how I know that it was in there. But then they were like no it's to camp. They kept saying, I'm Jane Campion's. I can't be doubling down like that. She was like she doesn't do. John waters stuff. She said. Il il. That's why. Yeah. Too campy to to camp to to camphor waters. It's like give it to Kelly camp sort of young. And also, I remember I teased you ones. You were OPEL. Yeah. You were open and pee wee's playhouse. That's awesome. You learns Fishburne who else was on that show. Provident? Of course, actually I'm going to have him on the show just have to him. I am vited him tonight to the king comedy and he's in Los Angeles. So he can't make it. But he said that Scorsese and deniro came to see him in an early peewee show before the king comedy was made. And I think maybe when it was still at the groundlings, and he's like if you look tonight, you'll see deniro's wearing a tiny bowtie. You do the math. He did not use that phrase because he's better than that. Oh, but my point was just that. Yeah. I just wanna really I wanna screening room. I wanna get rid of my apartment and just maybe just like living. Howard Hughes of you. Thank you. Yeah. This is gonna join p. The dog. I love the dog boyfriend. You can come. Okay, I adore you. You welcome to be there. Yeah. Okay. Cool. You'll let me none of these movies. This funny business honestly pass unless you go funds and live your life. I know. I know I got a real serious one now. Yeah, we're gonna baby and everything. You can have a little miniature. I know it's gonna be half Asian amazing. But you'll cocaine's a great great species. I mean knew this whole there's a whole bunch of also talented so adore Rory's. The best. Favorite kieran? It's too. Good to. Yeah. But Roy's best he has his special special. Yeah. I just saw them a couple of days ago wrestlemainia. Got some tickets to wrestlemainia and seven and a half hours. Wow. That's too long way too long. I was actually sick all day yesterday from sitting out in the cold at MetLife stadium, basically King Lear, you should take. It'd be like. It'd be like our going to King Lear. Should be axe. Yeah. Yeah. See GATS member? When they do the great Gatsby at the public. And it was like they just read the whole book allowed with some slight sort of. It was wonderful wonderful show biz about twelve hours live around the corner from the from the public. No, I don't go as often as I should. I don't go to that much theater. Yeah. Me neither actually I love theater, and I don't really go. I don't know that I love it. And yet I go. Unless it's like four plus hours. I'm like, why am I leaving my house? I live in a screening classy. When you go to a stage play I would like to become such an eccentric loner that recluse. Let's say not loaner that I could have theater company come to me. You know what I mean? They'll do the play wrestlemainia comes to the room three arrests way. You know, just get a Hamilton just lovely would that be. That would be great. No rules about snacking and smoking I wanna make the rule new. Yeah. Yeah. Let's be Centric billionaires. It was so close we're so I know and then and then we just went with eccentric. Yeah. We made a choice. Then it was you know. Yeah. Then we made a life is a series of choice. And we certainly made. We did didn't. We chose other each time when they suggested AM be yes. Yes. This DND game. Yes. We. I think we're okay. I think we're pretty out of us. We made it. Well, my God. What are the ads right here? Forty just about the hit forty thirty nine. I'm thirty eight and a half. Yeah. I've been adding a half. Now, remember what it was dignified to put like a half, seven and a half. Yes. I'm bringing back the hats, and yeah, that's exactly I'm trying to dignify the haves in. So here, actually, I'm going to give you a present for doing this so cures. I'm going to give you how Allen Ginsberg I got it from you can even see it has the stamp because I'm a Jew are in to get us back. That's what it is. You know, I actually got it from a Shakespeare Company in Paris was living there, you can even see the stamp. They're nice. So yeah, I bought that like six years ago 'cause you know angel headed hipsters and all that kind of stuff. But no, I figured we should we the whole thing allowed. Yes. Catered to tippety. Yes. So we first met screaming vomiting, whispering, yucca yacking. Shacks of hospitals and jails and wars whole intellects disgorged total recall seven days and nights with Brian is. Yeah, you know, and it goes on like this forty nine payments cetera et cetera et cetera. Nervous breakdown smiling cowardly the customers and so on. Great great. Thank you. Yeah. And also it's small enough to fit in either your purse or your back. Yes. There you go. So we first met in two thousand two okay? I was doing some math earlier. Okay. Yeah. I know right. Seventeen years ago. Do you remember this? It was after a stroke show. We went to the strokes, and it was the. It was the VIP room of Niagara. Which later became the cabin. So downstairs, it was the downstairs thing. Yes in so I remember I walked up to you. Because it was a guy who was just passed out in the corner. And he was just way too young to be there in a way to pass out to be there. And so I walked up to you. And I asked you if you had some lipstick if I could borrow yes. Yes. And so I bought your lipstick, and I just painted the guy's mouth and face and everything. And that was that was how it started. Then we then we went to the corner store and Saint Mark's got whip it's back here because it's funny because I only remember the whip it's I don't remember the lipstick. You remember? The whip it's coming and I was looking forward to them. There was my icebreaker for you. Do you have any lipstick? I can borrow e and then my response was lipstick and raise one whippet so use it. It was also because we were sitting at the bar, and we send out the bore back to get a kipnes whipped cream. That's what it was. I don't even think we tip them. But he he came up with twenty cans of looking like he's whip though. Yeah. No. He was hip and with it. I'm sure the guy Bodega wasn't suspected him at all one of my favorite hobbies was walking into grocery stores and getting a shopping cart. Disposable camera. I would go with these great pictures of me, and my friend clear always. Title Klay, divall she's been so we were like veal nineties BFF's, and even now in the two thousand and twenties or whatever. Okay. Either way with future best friends again. So we would go in we'd be like shootings, and we're like, you know, Canada or something random and go into the grocery store. Load up the entire the entire cart with claim cans sort of dual take pictures while doing them all being adorable teenagers into antics, the pictures looked great because they have that big neon sort of a quality to them, you know, fluorescent Punchdrunk kind of a almost a lebowski quality. And then and then we would go to the register because I was always responsible. And then I would I would pay for them. I would have them ring up like you're in cans and take pictures of the whole thing. And then just like say you can keep the cans. Thank you so much and leave you can keep the camera, and then, you know, go to the local Rite Aid, or whatever if you still have the pictures. I have a bunch of great photos. Yeah. Yeah. Do you are you do you have like a photo album and things like that? No now, they just kind of in a box somewhere. Miscellaneous strewn about here. And there you have dedicated photo areas. Not really, yeah. No, family members that are better with that. Yeah. I do it with my notes in my note cards, my notebooks. Like, actually, the kind of just put them in actually photo albums, but do photos, I'm not like reminiscent visually than that kind of way. I wonder what I wonder if that's because we're a little bit. Like, you know, we get the idea take pictures of stuff. But my my ladies gotten into doing the disposable cameras in the film things like. Wild one happen where like I developed a you know, how I kind of went away for a few years MAC. And then when I came back to storage space, and I went through the storage place, which was a real chaos scene. And I mean there were like fully grown rats just like flying out of the storage room. And when I opened the door. I don't think anybody expected that I was going to be opening that door come like my possession. Haphazardly? And so there was like undeveloped disposable cameras and one of them when I developed it all these pictures from nine eleven that. I'd like taken from the balcony of my apartment, which was on third avenue and sixteenth street and the balcony like faced right there. Fucking smoke is so insane. Yeah. To get a part of the conspiracy. You know, I mean. I don't think there's much information in new, but who knows I mean just jet fuel really melts deal, you might have evidence. I might I might the pin. And there was this interview ones with most f and Christopher Hitchens and. Most deaf says like well, I don't know what happened. I think nine eleven was an inside job. And then Chris region says well, pardon me, but I disagree. Mr definitely. I like that too. I was I was sitting in a in Paris at in love Republic. Many some friends harm our superstar, of course. And. Yeah, of course. Is belly in the biz? I know just talked with him last night and. And in his. Ryan, I was kind of medium. There is kind of a good meeting spot sitting on the fountain on stuff and Ryan the drummer turns like kind of looks over my shoulder is that move Steph. Most if it's most in his lady friend and his kid and his he's teaching kids how to skateboard and stuff. Nice and so friendly with him in Paris for a minute. But now, he's anybody Stephanie more. He's like seem like. Yeah. Yes. Him something renounce his passport these a citizen of the world. Now, that's not a bad idea. Yeah. It's hard to travel though. Right. Well, unless you're going to the world play. Yeah. Going from world to world. Yeah. Yeah. World traveled never been exactly on musk get ahold of most now. Yes, somebody that. I really don't understand why we're picking on this on Moscow. And I get it. Maybe once more douzaine he tweets who the fuck else. Do all these. You know? Animals think is going to bail us out when this kind of like a Neville apocalyptic environmental situation hits. Who do they think is going to help? But eccentric, our friend Elon Musk is the only one that's going to be and instead of supporting the guy everyone's too busy kind of like rating his tweets. Well, the written is tweets, but they're also still investing company. Yeah. That that kind of thing. I mean, he thinks big and he actually executing things. I mean. I'm just saying support the genius. Let him be eccentric. It's not anyone Spiezio a little bit Kook is long as he's racist or sexist or look let him be looking to get. He seems a little bit. You know? I'm sure he's got a who else is taking us to Mars one literally no one and anyone no one we want to. Let's you know, he's really he really gets shit done. Really a little company called the boring company. Really catchy names for things. I mean, he's right to calls tesla. That was the right thing to do. It's it's yeah. I agree. Ours are fine. I don't understand the doors are scary that when the doors open, I have a friend who has one and when the door is sort of open on their own feels a little bit. Like, maybe there's a boogeyman in there. Like, my being followed by doesn't make a noise or something. Whoo. Music comes right on. But if you listen closely sincere demon Howley on Zimmer. Other than that. I mean, look these cars of, you know, clean energy, which we I know you when I've always been big fans of we're always saying, oh, you're always talking. Let's say the world. Yeah. And I'm sure he's not a little bug. Why are we picking on him? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. My carbon footprint is tiny. Yeah. I don't own a car. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Do you drive? I do not under my name or anything. What tickets don't cut anything? But. You actually, well your New Yorker. Yes. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. I want a yorker and still living in a lay right now. My second stint. Yeah. Never drove out there for the better part eight years and still don't have driver's license. Yeah. I have one and I'm not a bad driver. I have a better reflexes than you might think. Pretty pretty. Yeah. Crazy. The people at the texting and driving is really really zany. And they're all stone in LA all driving stoned when I think about the amount of weed years I wasted smuggling weed when I think about the prison industrial complex. I'm like when when are they just going to open the doors, and let out everyone that ever had a weed related crime. I mean, it's so zany that it's just weed is so fully legal the smart thing as opposed to going federal going state by state thing looking at. But now I remember getting like getting a text from friends out there in LA going. Oh, you know, they won't bless you. If you have it in the airport at LAX, really because that's what I was talking about the years. I wasted sort of trying to like shit an empty hairspray fake. But let's not let's because I got. Stories. But yeah, let's let's Scarface very. Giving anybody any idea? Figs didn't smuggle much. Yeah. No. Yeah. Me too me too. Yeah. Me me me. Neither look a monkey were symbols. No. Hey, what do you know? I very eccentric place out here. This is great. This is always when whenever you do running charades, and here is always so fun. I haven't done a new one that I've been doing the thing for a while. Well, now, you have so much art in here. Also making all the time. Adam green? There's a lot of Adam Greenpeace's around here. You can totally tell his style kind of everywhere. My mother emptied out my storage bin because you just had your telling that. And so there's all those old books over there. Some of them are from dishes them for eighteenth century looking. Yes. From the seventeen hundreds they're falling apart at the seams. But yet now now inherited my father's old old book collection, which was his mother's which I think was his mother's mother's. So yeah, that was sitting this off a Mayflower or something. No, no. No, no. But I think my father's side pretty deep Irish kind of thing. And like a lot of them went into city work municipal kind of stuff. So it was a lot of firemen in policemen's like old Irish they look nothing like me that dark-haired kind of Irish with the with the black is gonna thing. And there was actually I found out that my guess, it would be my grant great grand. Uncle was a fireman. And he died. Because this is back when it was like, you know, the firetrucks were still pulled by horses buggy them that's caught in the Stirrup got dragged on the street, and it's two blocks from here. So I walked by it all the time. And then like, you don't have to like, you know, I've been living here for about twenty years. And again like I walked by that place all the time. And that's where my uncle got dragged on the cobblestones. Two to his death. His dad to his death that part of the meeting. Oh, yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I know you don't really you don't really survive some of that. So, you know, there was a lot of that kind of stuff. I think it was my father. Well, they patrolled Charlie patrolled. So I think it was my father's mother's side. Was the more of the artists that kind of thing she and she used to do the crosswords for the New York Times and things belt one you built in New York Times. I can check in a puzzle. Really? Yeah. This Deb Amblin. Yeah. Look like a real it was a Tuesday puzzle. The theme was about the all that jazz. And it was a great puzzle. A lot of work very hard. It's a lot of math. You know, what kind of puzzle? I mean, just like crossword full full crossword. Oh you. Oh, you did a nutrients crossword? Yeah. Classic ditch. Basically, a great great great. Great grandmother. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. We're practically related basically laid basically related at this morning. That's awesome. Always doing fucking stupid. Like eccentric thing by stupid. I mean, good stupid. Yes. Yes. You did that that well that canto? Adia in. Then I was in the case of a. Yeah. Got you a great in that. Why just footage and would really so game. And it was all also Fellini asking about them. It made a lot of sense. And I come to find a lot of people didn't understand. Oh, no. Perfectly. That's very Fellini of you. It could not have been more literal. And then surprise if people experienced Russian dollars different piece, I thought they were really of the same and one was the Kenzo movie was about my daddy issues in the Russian doll show is about my mommy issues, and that's how I differentiate them. But you were great men because you were doing we had you doing all the Malcolm McDowell sort of singing in the rain routines. You wouldn't know it from watching the movie new taking bits and pieces of thin. Yes. Look it again. Was kind of collage. It was collage collage and yet to me entirely linear. Literal if you play it backwards. It makes perfect sense. Why the makeup I love Fotos be Starshine. Because remember we were in the movie together called party forty Michael alad. I played Brooke sue fat. How how'd you feel about that? I remember it gave me great liberty of eating because you liberty of eating. I thought oh, I'm sorta became emission fill it out. But I never could too small those Indies been a big sort of pockets. Now picture I could probably fill that out over time would have paid you. They would have paid me. Nobody has ever paid me to gain weight, and that's one of my career regrets. You forget. Yes. And so I wanna get one of those marvel movies, but be paid to get very fat. I'm pretty sure we can find great. Yeah. Someone isn't as this marvel thing going, smart marble. These niece bet marvel. They like have then you'll love that. Black widow. Guess pay you to go to France and fatten up. The raging bull. I think they actually paid. Junior around fast. It's a fat note. And I think he actually went to France to fete NUP out. That's what most exactly just like most shat fish out fat remake bike as a ready. Did that you've experienced with France? I think what you born there signing mother was born there. Okay. I remember. I was looking we were texting when I was just there. Yes. I was living. Yeah. I actually just gave up my apartment, they're dead. And one time I felt like there was like a was like a. You know, what's this? Now when you're saying, no, more, no more. And you're walking you might ching. And you're saying, no more, no more. Oh, the sweet Charlie like things. Much is. The picture you sent me from me about Guinea here because I was because it was right there. Love Republic was where they all gathered to block for my place. We're gonna took took me about an hour to walk about ten feet from looking. I actually I went out there. And it was it was it was quite a March quarter March. Let's women with pencils in their hair. That was that was a thing. Lots of flags for multiple countries. That's the word. Marsh protest. It wasn't a purchase. It was. It was a March. You had it the first time. And I actually I remember 'cause it was like two million people there I read into two of my friends. And so it was a one million chance Lil is that time, Stu. Yeah. It was it was quite a spectacle, finally friendly gave it up. That's why have especially the extra just like stuff like lying around in bags still here. I wouldn't even unpacked that tiny self belong to a dog very fancy dole tiny. I have three of them. I have three of those what we do is. We move the coffee table replay video games. We just put sit on. So I have all kinds of different styles. Either leather one that's hiding under the coffee table and stuff. And so yeah, I bought a bunch of dog houses. So, but we could all sit there leg on that one though. But yeah. Airplane pillows two I don't wanna. Again, I didn't wanna buy tiny Philo. So I took the tiny pillars the airplane yet. Smart smart now when you play the arcade games because those would be too tall. Oh, yeah. You have to stand for until the one on the left is the Adam green one assets like video game. It's the cavalry or Cade cabinet. You mean it like Fosse's style. No, no, it it's Adam. Yeah. Because we we did Adam Green's Aladdin. Yes, we we we didn't work together. Now, I played mother. I played Aladdin's, mother and Chuck hats, mum. Chuck. Some rebel leader. Yeah. It was kind of like you're talking about again here canto stuff, which Kenzo like it when you call Kempton canto that you're really there for me. And for the art I don't care for the brand. Honestly, they were lovely people. Yeah. I will say that same time. It's the gal. From the hole in the wall. That was there for you. Wasn't a favor. But you know, I wrote and directed a major picture. No major. Short pick. Joe I'll make sure that we put it in the little notations. We'll do a little link on the website. Yeah. It'd be showing it at Tribeca film festival soon. Oh, really? Really? Yeah. Major major major short. Deniro runs. The Tribeca film festival. Selected? You don't think he he saw Cantos thing? Canto I would have screened at long ago, but Adam stuff is like, yeah. Like, if you think your stuff is like Yan, linear only make sense you. I mean, jeez. He really he is playing his imagination. Well, the wrong for our the run me. Yes, ketamine. Yeah. Yeah. He did it mostly did a lot of it on a tour of Europe. But my Gaddi dynamic, I'm when he was showing me those early bits of the wrong for Ari really Cam, really really enjoys your mug, and you're. Yeah. Yeah. Like me. But it's it's an interesting thing. It was I remember that was the first time. I was really like seeing you doing something that felt more like you and less like somebody else's idea. And it was very striking very. Thank you. Thank you know, I'm somebody who watches movies all day. So, you know, these are good things will you? Well, it was actually say I'm always asking. Oh, my, you know, go back to work or whatever. Go I hate sitting around in makeup other people's clothes all day. Yeah. Honestly, like I like I like doing the work itself, the camaraderie, but there's just so many things I just don't like about it that kind of like the kind of the touching. Yes. Like being fussed over again, look. Yeah. Everyone's kind just, you know. Get the wardrobe people like, you know, I panic attack on party wants to remember that was my first film Geoghegan eight years at that point, and the costumes and the makeup, and the hair was also very specific. And I remember I had like eight people around me, and I started like practically hyperventilating guys. Like, I don't want to be this person. But y'all back offers back the fuck up. That's a particularly claustrophobic role though, of course, because it's a hair makeup costume heavy. Yeah. Get lost in you know. But you know, but at the same time, it's it's that kind of getting to that kind of thing. Yeah. Manson is still always very friendly to me as a result. Him in years. Yeah. Lovely really you still talk to them they gli when I see him. But I mean that now see what I've done where I've thrown down my. Latch key, which I think is frayed. Raid. They're like, wow. This is really landed with a resounding nothing. Well, this is very small king. I mean business. My massive gauntlet is. Made us meant is no more some pictures because shooting in the summer so much hair on my head. It's like wearing a mink coat and your female. So you have to wear loan. I have to what am I going to do? And you know, it's it's warm in there. And I love a win to picture coats, blazers sensible shoes, you know, what I mean a lot of layers everybody's cold. So they don't wanna touch. You wanna stay in the heater? Kind of leaves you alone. Strategist is very specific. Really? I've given it a lot of thought as I'm sure you have been doing this over thirty years. Right. So I'm like one hundred movies date at this thought about it and come up with. So as a result because the makeup, which you have less of a problem with of course, because era. Lovely young man aging, but still, geez. On the inside exactly in the lungs and. Only and and so the makeup it stays frozen to your face as opposed to in the summer Milt it melts your fucking Milton. So inevitably people at the keep touching you. And they're talking to you. And somebody's there in shorts and flip flops the director is excited to kind of run around in their flip flops get a pan and give you know. Shorts and they're in their moon boots. They're like, I'll stay on less. You know, it's important. And then now is somebody who's like running my own show writing and directing and producing and starring there's no fucking way. You can do it in the summer. It's to to very low energy thing heat. That's why Letterman used to keep the studio so-called. Yes. I remember that ice cold you'll wake. So the cold. Also keeps you alert also want anyone to see him sweat while they go and also what's good is nights shoots which I learned from able I love night shoots winter. Then you kind of your sleep is. The next longer than the winter also. So there you go. Nice long show, very cold. Everybody. Yeah. I did Seth green. He he wrote. I kept on calling Orson Welles because he's writing producing direct. But it was in Thailand he got a bunch of his friends to go to Thailand in like the summer. And look I am not built for that. It was sweaty. It was mosquitoes. It was raining. It was it was an I was the only one who actually having a good time to be honest. I made the best of it. But at the same time it was looking it was. Melting milton. I built for the cold. I am Irish German Norwegian. I don't shed. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I can do this can do the cold all day long. But that was it was the weather was a nightmare shouldn't Siberia. I'd like to Siberia night movie nights, cyberia title, and it'll just star us and Stuart. It'd be a movie but the Northern Lights. Something. Yeti? I'm just I'm just spitballing here. But. Sighted. See that movie was good. Did you finish it does he editing? He. It's done. Just did a premiere last week actually in Thailand of Thailand there fulltime. Thailand Thailand, film destination festival. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And. But yeah, I think I think he got some kind of distribution I think for June or September coming out in the summer would be exactly I think he's he's happy about that the same way. Like once. I'm there. I'm like right now I've given over but it's not ideal. He he wrote me as a book, captain fucking hate the water and eight boats, and I hate the heat. But I can love him. So. So I was thinking party monsters and right? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I remember we were talking. I guess couple of years ago. Jeez. Oh, you still talk to Chloe. Yeah. I still talk to say. Some of our party Munster, like friends, we were you know? I think we learned at bunch. Yes. Yes. 'cause you were friends Chloe before that I was friends with Seth before that too. Yes. So Israel BFF picture. Yeah. Ability. Did you see that Orson Welles documentary the other side of the wind noon? Wow. He really went all the way in all the way really in. What way all the ways all the way is kind of the end of his life. It never came. He'd never finished it. He never did get to finish for Fiqh. I remember that in that when you finished yet that when he enters that when is his last movie, and I use air quotations because technically what came out after that was the transformers movie where he did a voice in that. So that's technically Orson bills less movie. I think he plays like Macron or something. The John rouse ski like the making of John rouse. Go do documentary. Jodi these dune. Yes. Yeah. Fucking Kuchen half. Man. Was that Orson Welles that they were trying to get remember they were like, I'm gonna give you all the best in the world Dali w. You want to be paid like I think per word or something. Him. Wanted to be the highest paid person on it or something like all these caveats deli. You got some people really do it. Right. Yeah. Exactly. My only hope is that we live long enough that people come to us with those kinds of offers ninety and then we want you to be space movie world world movie, and you're the voice of a planet. Well covered. I'll give you my my agents and manages the when I signed with them and held a dead. So I'm self negotiating, and I'm getting to that point where some of my people aging out. I mean, look like by businessman and drive heads since forever. Look, he retired recently. And like I'm trying to think gosh, look him at some point. It's going to happen by lawyer, my manager all that kind of stuff. This is going to be a turnover. I mean, just yeah, I've had some of them since I've known my lawyer since I was ten I sad is from nineteen eighty five. Yeah. Get mine. About eighty six eighty five on the member the MAC. These kids everybody doesn't know what it was like when you Ronald Reagan was the first president of sec. Really? Yes. He wants also former person the United States now. Yeah. Bedtime for Bonzo. Yeah. Exactly. And Santa Claus versus the martians. Great guy, though, a lot of people over hit for him now. And it seems really. He seems often want to hang out with they didn't really vote for him president. But also, I totally have my dinner party. I would have is. I would maybe let his ghost attend. I don't know that I would want him there. But I think he'd be able to be the funniest guy your dinner party thinks think so he seemed like the most charming fucker ever. This motherfucker though, really was a, you know, I mean their whole kind of just say no campaign with Nancy Reagan, and then his kind of stance on two of them really caused a lot of a lot. A lot of damage that I'm talking about the politics here. Just talking about. Have to take Nancy which kind of might be like a bummer yet. But you know, what I did about them from the eighties. Remember those slippers of big fuzzy slippers that used to have like a full Reagan and a full Nancy Reagan face. The same one. But it's Mario Luigi. Yeah. That was my favorite part about that. That was your favorite. Yeah. Those slippers. Do they give them out? Just acquired in your eighties. Household. Exactly. Yeah. Those paintings of Jesus there's something like that. Yeah. Jesus Jesus Jesus. Nobody knows nobody knows. But but yeah, no. I liked his hair his hair that pre toupee hair. That's just real hairs quaff. Yes. Is this quaff? Yeah. Hey, man, I'd maybe wear my hair like that. I wouldn't because I would have like Elliott Gould hair. But if I was whatever that breed of American is if I was Dean Martin where my hair like the mountain. If I was a main. You know what? I mean. It depends. I mean, or maybe I would be like Jimmy page hair likely. I've been going up and going to a barber lately. Actually, my little grown out. Now, I actually went to him, and I said a MAC just removed headband I had been. Well, something about hair. Like rambo? Bart Simpson down. Yeah. This was a gift. Yeah. Kind of like tie-dye lizard pants. Yes. Also. Gifts. I want in. He's down in a giant teddy bear opposed for me about. Fold twelve feet tall. Yeah. Hell of a teddy bear. I know. I know and there's a barber post behind you. Yes. Yes. Yes. And so that's not from the barbershop though. I'm assuming that's no, no that's from and TC shot. Okay. Okay. So you don't go to an antique barbershop, you go to a modern one. Yeah. But I've been I've been doing that. I mean, I used to have hair down to my tits. It actually covered my novels, right? There was a long hair Fe myself in the mirror, and I was covering my nipples, and I go, no. You know, it's it's actually I have I have whole ziplock bags full of my hair that I haven't yet. They're all ten inches long. Yeah. Ladies all ten inches long. You're gonna give them to Luxa love. But one of those kind like join. Yeah. Because it's untreated. And it's gorgeous. You would you like it would you like some sleet MEC extension? His putting remember leelee Sobieski used to be into collecting lack Suhair Stanley Kubrick was I knew that. She was a great actress because she collected lock Suhair. Louis Sobieski was time traveling Helen hunt. Yeah. Maybe. Think about it. Actually, she was like I'm done with this business. Fuck this. Who who else Josh Hartnett that all of a sudden he was kind of just like done? I'm good. I mean, I did that. Yeah. You do that into a certain extent way in a way. I think at the time I thought it was really done. And yet because you kind of just. Drop the mic. Never again, just kidding him. Back. Exactly vengeance too. Hello and welcome to meditation minute. I'm your guide Prada come with me as we drift off to a blissful slumber. That's right by popular demand. Today's episode is a meditation to help you get to sleep so finish off your camomile, tea and slip into your comfy as PJ's because it's time for bed. Let's get started. I want you to take a deep breath in. And out. Good. Now. Go to sleep. Go to sleep. Sleep. Sleep now sleep now now sleep now now now now now now now now you wanna sleep now. Go to sleep now now now, no not even that that's not working. That's that's weird. Usually works for me. Whatever. Saint on me your. I'll be sleeping like baby tonight. I hope this guided meditation is to seek. Abel's those proud of. This has been meditation. Nama? So you have a Russian doll on Netflix. Smashing Dow's on that flex hot show hot hot hot into. I haven't seen it yet with Kennedy. It's it's on you know, what I mean? It's on. Remember, you telling me about it. Yeah. Actually at this table, you're over here. I was sitting still trying to crack it was I like all the death. And they're these loops existential. What does it mean? Exactly go over and over until exactly yeah. It was a lot of every situation that I walked into. I was like trying to make sense of it. And so by the nature, you have kind of a Maxine apartment, and the so I felt like there were certain players and people in my life that was sort of of that show of that world that I was trying to kind of make sense of what we'd been doing all these years, you know, and. Sometimes sort of dancing close to the edge and really wanting to tell the truth and really wanting to kind of talk about the unpleasant experience of being a person, but also the sort of hopeful aspects, and, you know, not being sort of afraid to talk about sort of trauma and broken nece and these kinds of themes, and then it was. Very satisfying to ultimately feel like we had cracked it essentially in the room, but it was a fucking brutal. I mean, it was so hard. It was so much work and then making it, and then editing. It was a beast. You know, and then I would put in every song like, you know, it was almost like a fine art exercise of fine tuning each little element of it every beat. Oh, yeah. And then, and then the fact that people are so into it as radical mean, it's like, I'm never I've never experienced anything. Like it every I haven't seen the. I haven't seen the. Yeah. Every single person that I've talked to who've seen layover like it's talking great. You have to see it again. It's one of those things where I binge watch. It's gonna watch the whole thing in one sitting thing. Yeah. I think I think you might like it especially remember when you were. Yeah. I tell you this when you were pitching it. When you tell me the story. I was it sounds great looking in. Yeah. I always thought you're gonna end up in it. And there was never anything to me. You welcome. Like a secret for not letting me sit around. In in make up in other people's clothes. It was really ideal because it was all night shoots. And winter. Really miss that. God damn. Yeah. And I'm like trying to hang onto that. I'm like, which one would you do it again? I'll I would in a heart bad enough. Anybody else really would do? You know, what I mean, I pretty much like wrote to my shrinks which winter night. And ways Burt young. Oh there. He is. Right. Let shoe. But yeah, it was crazy that people. It's also so crazy people like something that like, you know, to really work on like writings and thing and directing something I'm building massaged it. And then to have people like it and have it be so personal is very extreme. And different than just being as an actor for some reason. Because it's the last like it feels. I can really take ownership of the, you know, Robin. I mean, it really is my choice, really. And you know, so it's and it's also crazy in this way. That. I like to process all these sort of, you know, atrocious parts about being person and thinking like, what's it all about Alfie? And then to have it kind of all sort of like find its place in the show made a lot of things sort of worthwhile. Like, I almost think of somebody had told me, you know, it's going to it's going to be like this for a while. But then on the other side, you're going to have all this stuff to say. I don't know if I would have agreed to that arrangement. Do it again. I really don't know. Really an interesting question. I don't know that if I had been like, you know, because now it just feels like, wow, I can't believe how. Nice things in my life. Are you know what? I mean. It doesn't mean that. I'm not still crushing it right now. It's it's a hot. It's so unexpected. You know what? I mean, like reminds me of it's like the George Harrison darkhorse, you know, what I mean like, I didn't I really didn't expect this. I mean there were so many years that were so uncomfortable and so pleasant, and I just couldn't get arrested or as Laurence Fishburne one side when I walked up to him at the at the club. And I said, hey, remember when plows together, and he was like, oh, I remember being cowboy Curtis back. Then I couldn't get arrested actually only thing I could do is get arrested exam. Like, I was just about to say. And so, you know, now, it's it's really fucking wild. But I don't know if I would have chosen to do it again, it was so. Unpleasant for so long. Now things are nice. We lost touch. Dead. Yeah. Who I feel like we what's nice as we've also never been more touch now. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. It was. With all of my good friends. It's always pick up where you left off kind of thing. We had just the weight it goes sometimes I disappear and listen, I'm living actually like one of my best lives right now. Still disappear on my friends every once in a while. Yeah. Thing. We've always had this kind of like unspoken language, you know, this sort of secret language that we share that like on a some sort of a deep level, we really get something. That's shared experience them. But. Attitude and same whatever, we're we're both. We're both going to be eccentric old people is what we're say that we might already be there in pretty old and exac. Crazy as the idea that you kinda like figure start figuring things out. And then it starts wrapping itself up. You know, what I mean the life a life is so absurd. And you know, you fight so hard to kinda like get your piece of the pie that you get to say something and try to find a meaningful life, and then it's a wrap the whole event. So it's so weird feel so high stakes you know, there's no there there. More of more of a sense of your own mortality and. Yeah. That kind of stuff I mean, like I said we're talking about having kids mean the ladies like it just like like I start thinking those kind of terms and have a great dad. Oh, yeah. I think so too. We've always been cited like, you know, the debt whenever I see you with your family like vary. Even just as a host of a party. And things like that. Very good at like being in charge. I can do that you run like a light like a loose tight ship. Now. There's yeah. Yeah. You can color outside the lines. But don't cut the paper. Don't tro on the table. Wise like that dinosaur can be any color you want. But have you ever thought about kids think about kids and all? Fun. Mom, you'd be. You'd be a funny. Funny. Mom, I'm first of all I would say I'm pretty rigid like in some ways, you feel you'd be insufferable. I don't know. Look probably a good mom's like teenagers or twenty year olds. I feel like I'd be good. You know, member like general ins and Gloria or something like I feel like I'd be good at accident. Ding into a twelve year old, and I'd be good at being sort of Griff Thor's together. Yes, it's motherhood. I would be great at it. Paper moon it in. I can do a good. It could be a good paper moon parent. Although I think that particular situation was not ideal. The mood. All right. The tuition. But you know. I mean, it's like a science project having I think if I was a boy, I would be more open to it. Like, sure Fred, go get pregnant. Seed. And I also I often think that like Fred my boyfriend would be great like when I think about abandoning the child and panicking. I feel like he would be so on the ball that he would really get because he's very on the case like really like wakes up in the morning. The kid would we fed there'd be breakfast. The homework would be done get to school on time. There would be no like baby left on the roof. You know? But I I'm not sure that I would really be able to first of all the science product at all like, you know, your ankles hurting and like neck and the actually growing this species. The side of you uterus. Very strange like I mean, I'm all for it. I love, you know, women and for feminism, I don't really know where my uterus. And I mean, I have about as much connection to it as I do, you know, my livers, some don't I don't know that I've ever been like dazzled by them. It's tree of life is not my favorite Malik picture. You know, I'm like I like badlands. I don't I like a little. Yeah. I don't I don't like I don't really know that I what that experience so much. So it seems weird. It seems and then the response, and then what happens and then he's so nervous. I know that when Roop ear my dog nervous. I'm like, I'm like how I love this dog so much if something happened in this fucking dog like the amount that I hate coach. I don't obviously don't even the thing when I'm in LA. And I'm there a lot I'm Mike that's the time. When I understand the purpose of a gun of like if a fucking Coyote came near my fucking dog. I would fuck you know, what I mean? And the idea that that could be a child that seems very nerve wracking, right? Children crossing the street. Children driving and texting believe me. We're looking at your house, and I see a pool, and I go we got to put a fence around that. So we put some dirt in there. Dirt pool. Nobody, you know, nobody drains dirt. Look, nobody drowns. Takeaway. That's the takeaway. Stay filthy. Nobody drowns in there. Yeah. No. It's really going to do it. Yeah. We're taking vitamins. And she she now piece in a Cup and tells me when she's AVI leaving. Wow, sexy. No, right. It doesn't that get my motor running. Oh, yeah. Oh obviating. A big mistake because I'm sure it really helps a quiet existential. The jazz and blew me. I'm reevaluating my entire. Yeah. Actually, keeps me keeps me like good clean and things like that. You know what? I mean. It's young. I bet like long-term you probably stay John. Nobody I know I'm fucking smoking. Like a chimney right now. Also at the same time like we're going to we're going to the vape store sue those vitamins, cigarettes example, but no I mean, I'm gonna have to quit smoking. I'm cleaned. And it's also like cutting cutting out the, you know, the warring polish off a bottle of Woodford in a day kind of thing. And now, it's like I casually drink wine. And now, it's like soon be facing phasing things out of my life. Great. It's good. It's good healthy. I'm actually getting healthy for a reason. A reason, you know, it's funny because I don't even like, I don't treat myself great sometimes, but I can treat myself good for someone else. And so I do it for her. And I do I do it for you know, I do it for the future kid that kind of stuff going to be a great, dad. I think it will be fun. I think I'm looking forward to the adventure. Scared to death. But. The the healthy kind of scared. Yeah. To me, it seems like when I think about how tired I am on a given day. I I don't understand how people do it like how they I guess you just find it mean like I feel like Lucille ball said once you know, if you want to get something done ask a busy person to do it like they find more time in the days. Somehow, you hear that shown you hear that my he's the guy who had it so podcasts here that busy person. A busy pace. How do you do it? Stay busy. Then I started a company. My Rudolph called animal pictures, I read that exciting. But I'm like that's a real business, and you know, all this doing production with Amazon did all the writing and directing and acting, and it's like a lot of things you know, what I mean? So I I didn't know what the maybe I'll regret it. But maybe it'll be too late to regret it. I'm just happy that the window is closing of options that nobody can really ask. The thing is I mean inevitably we're going to have some sort of like not to bring it back to my friend lawn. Mosque we must support if there's one takeaway stay filthy and supporting on Monday. You know that? Equitably there's gonna be some sort of a pack elliptic environmental scenario. Right. Like, I remember during sandy I was living on avenue B and the East River came all the way into the street, so so much apartment values and in Manhattan in our whole sense. So we couldn't flip more toilet for a week to you know, what I mean? I think it all about. Train change in a very dramatic. Do you have a safe house? You don't don't tell me where. No we now now in Los Angeles. I do but I'm not sure if exactly those Angeles is the place that it is who by fire and who by water. I mean, really, I personally think that. In a bit of a get it while you can slash, you know, nightmare scenario and doesn't mean, you know, live each day to the fullest, and we all do our best. But it does gift hairy. It does seem a little bit. Yeah. Hairy and then. This is just really this is backpedaling like I'm a guy afraid of commitment. Right. Big kind of like what about the apocalypse? I. Emitted relationship, but. Levels are rising. Can't do. So yeah. What about us in? Yeah. Really what I'm this griping is motherhood. Good. I think it should be the anomaly. Fatherhood. I think it should be like holy shit. Did you hear that had a trial? No. God God, God damn miracle should be like one in a thousand people. And instead of being like the normally so MAC here, you're pushing forty when he goes Davies getting married wins the kit comedy shouldn't be like really because it's such a big like I trust your ability to make this decision in a real way. I know that you MAC I've lived enough life that if you're making this decision trust. Yeah. That it's not a fucking game. A lot of these people these willy nilly babies. I worry renewed willy nilly, babies and. Nima kid Willie. No, no. The normal name Wonka. Kokin exactly no, I'm not going to name them apple or nothing like that. But I'm also not going to do a Bill either not have a list of names. Yeah. No, we we figure this out have great name. Oh, yeah. No. You're really good at things like this. I'm going to name person. I'm in guy. Yeah. But bunny is a great name was the the pizza underground that was hat that was one that was. Yeah. I did that for a year and a half. Yeah. That was great though. It was one though you could at this. I'm not worried about you name me. I'm not worried about us. If other is everybody else. Yeah. No. I'm not worried either. I mean, I guess the right amount of can like right amount of apprehension. But maybe I should try to make like an embryo is something. And so that like, you know because. Standpoint, we sort of crashing in the singularity kind of recruits kind of way, if a lot of people say a hack job, I think he's a bit of a Kook either way we need kooks. We need coq we need kooks now more than ever the more that have. More than have. And so I feel like in that sense. I mean, if all of a sudden, I knew we're gonna live to be what two three hundred I would be like, hey, let's phrase this sucker and see what's what a lot of ladies of your same age are doing this thing. Well, I think younger than me now, I might be passed the limit my lady frozen exit twenty something really out that was forward. Thank you. Just for good measure, believe me. She's very she's very Henry, David. She's very Hannah row. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. I like that though into but yet. No, she's she's going to be a very good. She's going to be the one that makes sure that we don't leave the kid in the roof. She's. Concerned. Yes. To me and Mack. Smoking smoking playing little Reagan and Nancy slipping. Hello. Only getting cold the cold down cold it. It'd be like the shooting night. She's she's very good at that kind of stuff. Okay. We're going to be a nice balance. She's worried that like I'm going to be the cool parent in. Yeah. But also, I'm the one area into she plan are cats. So I doubt she can discipline a kid. So it's going to be a weird balance. Yeah. Yeah. I expect people to know the rules. My real my. That's why it would be fun to have a kid. Yeah. Teach it all all your insecurities. Make it do what? Selva wave. Yes. Describe the silverware, exactly. Maybe. The baby. And she I'm kids at great. Can't do it. All you know. I think everybody has an expectation Delia Ephron told me this you not everybody has to do all the things like, you know, and only people trying so hard to go fucking moon. I wanna bone. I would go I want to be a marine I want. But I can't do those things L in one lifetime can't looking them. But with our three lifetime plan so only nine nine hundred. Yeah, you can have it. All yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It would be fun to have I want to vampire which holy. Yeah. I think I would. I really. Yeah. Because also you still have out. Yeah. Is a welcome to the heart. The sun anything higher Hikari vampire. It's not like a death becomes her. I don't want that kind of immortality. Right. Why would totally do that would become a vampire? I know. What happens you would have to eat people think? You just with the baby look work arounds. Right. But who's Blad do animal blood camp? So listen, what you do you take your fortune because you're investing in like AT and T like way back in the day. You got some money. And you start your own blood Bank. There you go people are donating plasma. And also, you still helping people. But you're also feeding yourself the same time that's a capacity. See that's a business worth invest. I've obviously thought this out to people people was Dombi plans and people who don't have. I'm just saying like a plane if zombie outbreak happened, so is also vampire plans planned folk. Yeah, what's his plan? It wasn't powdered food here. Looking. I'll I have stopped by the water. You do. So this is your safe house. Oh, totally look at this. Look look at that door has a bar across it. But I'm gonna say. But I'm going to be able to eat these teddy bears and books. Powdered food I canned food. And so what do you basically not exactly I'm an astronaut really been planning? I haven't left this place in like, six months. So. So you sound be planning basically to stay put Nate the powdered food. Yes. And wait till the winter till they turned into zombie popsicles that what happens to them. Well, yeah, they don't have anybody. Oh, and they don't have any coats, exactly. Till the night shoots. Singing to freeze them out the freeze head north. I guess that's always as in the summit now. What about a game of thrones? Winter's coming zombies. Okay. I don't watch game of thrones. Yeah. I'm about to binge watch it because the new season's coming up watching dolphins watching game of thrones for us. Russian dole is what you're up to. I think trying to scam me. A major scam trying to scare you. I'm trying to flatter you. I get paid per viewing. A really know. Now. To give account information do feel free to give me a Bank account. Anyway. My next lexicon. So icy you're gonna well game at thrown spoiler alert, some of the so-called zombies our winters on. That's why you always see winter is coming the white. Rocker white walkers are basically winters on bees. And so I'm just saying I like your plan, I respect it. I admire it and yet I'm concerned about the winters. What about the game of thrones on these? I'm just saying. So something to think about or. Yeah. I like my vampire playing better. Now, I feel like being vampire be fun because also baller so many like it's a very rock and roll thing to be a vampire like look at Tim thinking of like, I always think like interview with the vampire kind of Pires. But what what's your go Tom Cruise empire? When I go vampire kind of empire. You seeing what's your film? I like Tilda Swinton vampire, I like Nosrat to sort of a classic, really. But I mean, you wanna look like that though. And I'm just saying. That vampire that was a vampire typology. Did you actually look your ideal self when the interview with the end rice like vampire is that? Right. That's why they all kind of like, you know, kind of. Kind of certain looking younger, and they actually like been they stay. Yeah. I like that. I like that. That's Oldman number. Jack, ya is Dracula vampire. She's. Beginning. What are words? March. Oh, my. Wall Street your mind. Yeah. You know, like L sorta. Dracula director bat can I just be a back? Bet bat who plays an instrument. Maybe I'd be. Bye. Playing the tuba. Play like a cool guy instruments. You know what? I mean, you get the tuba. I wanna play this. And what do you wait about living K K K vampires living coffins? Yes. Okay. I can work with that. With all. The sounds tuba is pretty cumbersome the pain in the ass thrilled about it. I'm going with ukulele talian. More with the Uk. Yeah. Triangle that? Actually, I've ukulele in the house is name is mic Michaeli. De joke. Come. Great dead. Had a kid. But jokes if it's an option, I would do it. You know, what else appeals to me is, you know, the more health, right? If you're I mean. That's a zero sonar you have no health health problems. Live forever. Titles turtles longtime. We're going to be at ten. Maybe I don't want to. Decidedly like don't. That's what you were thinking about getting move say. If you want to be a tortoise now, I don't wanna be Toyota's. Galapagos tortoise. I don't wanna but you know, I do think it would be fun. All you need is the blood, and then you kind of get to go. And then you get to go young for charity doing shit. Oh, you member. Who was good? Oh, I guess David Bowie and manifestos with an alien he was vampire. Vampire vibe. Yes. Yeah. I thought he was empire. Yeah. But he's an alien so general I thought David Bowie right was vampire, right. You never know. And but yeah, he he he could also be an alien. You know, all things being equal avenue. Choose I want my birthday. Yeah. Any planet that we go to where we were. Aliens. So another good idea. Yes. Yeah. School amores. Yeah. We're fucking aliens. Great. I'm open any of these things open. Yes. Zone of the time. The summer I'm game for any of these things. Also, have you noticed vampires to have like good overcoats? They always good overcoats great style. Great sil- style. Answer you get to be slick. Yeah. Spear Stevens the movie hackers. He dresses, like a vampire. Oh, yeah. We're like for and leather E-e-eh kind of stuff looking pretty slick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Would you really want to be of empire who wears all black? I mean you stick out like a sore. Thumb looking. You're so pale at that point that it probably your nece green. Not not sick. No, yellow green. Yeah. Sickly? Yeah. But you never see like a vampire dress like a skater. Boy, no the chain wallet. And everything again, you never presents. Exactly. That's very empires. Them by the Tomkins, go see that. Nobody cares. But anyway, I would do it. I mean, if I think it sounds like a relief, frankly now that I'm really thinking about it. Honestly, I watching it. Yeah. You're actually like. Like consistently grew considering. An option it's a way out any real vampires out there just saying is that she's super game. I would like to sit down and really discuss it. But I'm I'm in. I mean, I'm pretty sure I'm in just, you know, but if you have a baby and the baby's vampire baby stays vampire, like it'd be like a blade vampire where it's gonna half vampire like he's at day Walker. Oh handy. First of all, I'm in one of those movies and which one third one eight Chile. Trinity trinity relation. Thanks. And you know about to me brag. Right. Just saying the union and keep it up do. Pay my insurance. Snow, but I mean like a baby stays a baby. Right. A baby fraternity bitten, look you. Yeah. Pain in the ass for the baby. Yeah. You get the baby smoking the cigar in the cartoons. Very very Roger rabbit. Yeah. Like, excuse me. I'm one thousand just looked like baby. No. I would not subject my baby to that again. Yeah. Great that. I can't walk, but I can smokes agus. So the other thing I would do speaking of here. I'll is is. I would do some sort of becoming machine I think I would do. Cyborg. Okay. On this. Oh. On the options. I'm offering. Then went from sort of the future. Whatever listening. I'm game and half a face plate. Nothing super super Ryan, you know, looking to lease your finger finger. I li- I like all that. I like, you know, what I like, cyborg organs? I don't like organ farming. Like, you know, there's that book about that. You know, which is when they define make sort of. So what they do is they make go. You know, what's it called when he'd double sheep the cloning? Cloning your great. We work. You know, doing the cloning? So in the future, you're going to be able to like clone nation of let's say children who are gonna live in an orphanage like stem cell. You know? Hey, I'm real. But I know you're here for organs, that's bad. There's a terrible movie. Yeah. Mcgregor. Scarlett Johansson, won the island the island. Yeah. You have them. Yeah. And so I don't wanna hurt these cloned children. Yeah. How many times I have to say? But I don't want to you don't wanna hurt clone. Children. Yes. But so you'd much have cybernetic implants. Yes. And yeah. But what about okay, what about the ship kind of thing where it's okay. So what it is? His ship with kept kept on getting like a damage to getting repaired and repair and repair until there was new pieces left of the original ship. Is it still Dessus ship have my soul? So if if eventually everything gets replaced in you, are you still you that's the existential kind of question show. Oh. A sense of self. Then I'm not that worried about I think if you gave me full, you know, I mean the. Depends. I guess on this sort of. You wanna be or becomes? Yes. You don't wanna be a cold unfeeling? Terminator looking course looking. I wanna be like a high functioning cyborg. Would it be me? But like robot parts, but I wanna be like, you know, not it's really a long way of saying. I wanna have, you know, chew free will meeting limitless time and no healthy aging concerns, and you wanna know I wanna be able to make some zany investments. I wanna I'm gonna invest in space x day. I want to help I want to you know, what I mean, if it's like if I need to assassinate someone let's say I want to be able to be like, okay. You know, what I mean, they're assassinated moving on. Let's write the script. You know what I mean? Like, there's a lot to do. And I think being a cyborg might be useful. Now tips over into kind of the becomes. Smarter than us and the larger number you read all this valve R S. Say then we're in big trouble because we treat the animals and that will be. Also, they don't they don't, you know, I won't think like us. Anyway, no matter how much morality look you give it. It's it's it's going to be in 'Lion SNL looking you hypersensitive creatures species? I know. Yeah. Even if you probably lead. Yeah atrocious. I mean, like, we know we're discussing genocide I mean back from Ghana Nigeria talking two hundred years of slavery and colonialism. I get really bad time. I saw the fuck and you stand there Hamilton bills coming out of the ATM machine. JFK? I was so horrified by everything we think living in it's a nightmare. So I know that people want to great either you into Africa. What were you doing there, essentially, I was vk shin? Those vacation. Factfinding? Fact finding mission. Searching for the truth. I went with Deuba who's on aren't as new black with me, and she's Nigerian. So I sort of went with her, and we saw this amazing art, and all these great filmmakers and really great time. A great food fuck in Africa. You know, we we only went to Nigeria and Ghana and. It was it was really extraordinary. But then Indiana, we also saw the slave castles air, and that's to anything. History books. So sort of of course, written by the victors, so kind of anything that we think that we've been taught about any of this is so. You know? In possibly under. Served and the fact that we still have the prison industrial complex happening today is impossible to process. And so, you know, it was maybe I'll amazing we have some global citizens stuff. They're kind of villages that don't have access to clean water. And it was it was a really great trip. But you know, what I'm saying for these purposes. Also, just you know that people have historically not been so great at being caretakers of people either. We don't even take your cattle. You know, chickens things like that. So. Yeah. Well, that's the way mall Harari toxic. It's like when we see the way that we as people treat people treat. Treat each other treat treat animals, treat any. We don't see the way we treat like animals look at the way, we fucking treat each other. Yeah. And then now we expect something that we're birthing a new species new race. Imagine I had as like. As a person who's always thought of you know, I'll I was raised so much with. Such upbringing. And so it was always six million Jews, and I had not. World War Two goes on for about five years sleeper goes on for four hundred years number estimate is between twelve and thirty million. Africans that disappear into. Hewitt and either, you know, even just the ocean, and that are unaccounted for. I mean, it was just. I can tell with you just I you it really changed. I think my point of view on everything I think, I know and how sort of under educated I've been sort of. About everything I think, it really changed even my opinion of like Europe as being some sort of a a nice place. Something really like it makes me think it makes me sick. It makes me think that everything is so corroded from the inside out, you know, that it's. You know, that made me feel and also, you know, I think I always experience those feelings of the measure of of hope for kind of brighter days, but I definitely don't think that it was integrated into my education real way, it was very much like. And here's a day. Can you spend a day on it in? Yeah. And grade, I think that's pretty hugely problematic for us understanding reality as people who are hoping to become better people. And yeah, I think it's very very until affected. Really? I really. It really did. Just because I. There's so many ways in which. I'm even seeing a diverse as that their teen documentary really sort of similarly, I've just I think there's so many ways in which I think myself, like a smart cool person who kind of knows things and layering those in my education of like what I really really just don't know to realize how do you are the smart exactly like that was really sort of the impact that had on me that even on an emotional IQ level that my perspective is so deeply limited and narrow and with such like blinders to kind of greater truths about the world. And that it's so privileged. Like, the reality is like things that I just are not immediately were not immediately relevant to my upbringing. It was very relevant that like, you know. Hitler was a monster. You know, it was less relevant. Like Kwami was a hero. I mean, it would just there are things that just were not on my race. I think it really sort of as somebody who's like kind of turning forty it really made me aware of those so much information that I don't know. And I'm working from such kind of limited place, and it made me not really want to change in that ways sort of be able to. You know, think about things more reality. But there's always a real close feeling with all these things to the world is big and histories loan in looking at this always there's so much that the older I get the realize how stupid I am or at least ignorant. I am. Yeah. Ther- we can of what's going on our else. I think adding that how it really made me feel in many ways. And then I started. Did you feel that kind of smaller, or at least feel like your world view is a lot of things I can speak about and it's mostly, you know, movies and music and like the human condition or something. And then there's a lot that I really just don't know are. You know, when I went with Fred to Japan a couple years ago, he was doing finding a roots. And he found out that he was actually not Japanese but Korean and then sort of like unpacking, the kind of much the rea- versus Japan and actually his grandfather was kind of like smuggled from Korea into Japan in order to kind of be afforded a decent life in that it was sort of a family secret finding out about Korean war brides, and all this is it these kind of university. He's also Venezuelans like finding trying to understand what happening in Venezuela. There's so much sort of information that I think the older you get you become less. Myopic in your worldview, and as a kind of widens you start to realize all the information that you just don't have the more. You see the more you see? Yeah. So so it's just been interesting. More educational end. And like, I'm saying also dislike extraordinary. We had degree time. It was fucking, you know, making a lot of movies in Nigeria. Nali would. Yes. Yes. I know about that. I was actually going to mention. Yeah. There's so that's exciting. And. Slick more movies than I think India looking at a lot of it is shown on shadow a little bit. Yeah. Same time. It's look at their their active. Another place has been there. You know? Yeah. I haven't done that yet. The whole train and eating curry and stuff. Yeah. No. I haven't done yet. Yeah. But but Niger I mean, they have population one hundred fifty million people to I mean, he's. Densely-populated country. Yeah. It's fascination during I've met actually have been nice except for the ones that send you emails but other than that. I have I have very kind of mixed because of I had a very I think. Privilege window into sort of the art scene there. That's really very happening like met in real artists, and filmmakers and novelist. And so it was very exciting Loris. How long were you there for we were there for about two weeks? And so it was great. So I mean. Yeah. More than anything that that it was so beautiful. And and that kind of thing maybe getting sort of curious, you know. Yeah. And that's why I would like to be a vampire, so I kind of learned some more about in Nigeria film industry. Yeah. There's a lot of things I want to know. And I'd like to be able to do something about those things every thought about knitting. No, no, no knitting. And that's not a my crochet. None of my gender either. No, no, not cooking not baby making. Nope. Well, I mean, can you practice baby making little practice impact us into course. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I've been practicing for years. Yeah. Could say in some ways I am on a baby making mission. Some time. Now, you know, I'm not an all the way girl. I've never heard. Of course, I hear about it. I read about it. My mind's expanding tonight. Maybe birthday fingers crossed. I made a pact. Flack closest girlfriend. Gonna do it traveling pants style. Everybody is coming into my day tonight is about fifty people we made a pact. You've seen Colella. So you might end. Alright cool. I'm in. Could I take picks? Camera. Yeah. Exactly gone, full circle. All right. Well, we've done enough of this. I think always at the real always a real pleasure and enjoy a through a half, a thrill and a quarter eighty. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for for coming excuse to kind of just hang out anywhere. Yes. Surely, it's it's totally natural hanging out with Michael phones in our hands. What we do usually we're not recording. We're gonna just loosely hanging out. And it's almost like talking on the phone for longer than you. Would you got him person? Yes. Earpiece in Italy. Sounds like you're talking on the phone. But thanks for doing this and all that kind of fun stuff. Thanks for having me aren't cool. All right now. I guess that's by everybody. But. Actually, do you wanna plug any social media? 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Golden Globes Nominations, Chris Beachum of Gold Derby, Uncut Gems

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Golden Globes Nominations, Chris Beachum of Gold Derby, Uncut Gems

"In it's like a more Jewish themed bad lieutenant with all the intensity and a half dozen stations. Also Adam Sandler. Uncut gems is one of the best of the decade. That's from Vincent Man. Siemian film drunk also Richard to the New Yorker says a recklessly audacious wildly accomplished blunt crime thriller family. Melodrama the drama and sports drama the Uncut Gems Adam sandlers new movie. I could see a couple of weeks ago. Adam Sandler those stories and more coming up on this edition of sinophile. Thank you so much checking us out. Also a great guest this week. CRISPY managing editor Gold Derby DOT COM. Chris is one of the best when it comes to breaking. What's going to happen with the awards? I was previously. Of course when the the expert picks their on Goal Derby Dot Com to resurface on there with a golden globe. Nominations coming out on Monday. Chris explains what exactly that means. What the winners are going to be for the Globes and also that means for the Oscars Such a really fun conversation there as far as the major categories are concerned also some entertainment news. And we'll do our mount rushmore. Thanks J. P. Murrieta who suggested movies with one word in the title that is solicited by him so Appreciated JP will make that choice for the Mount Rushmore. Best movies with one word and for total recall which I think is as a fund set will also be looking back at one of the years and the Oscars as well and redoing it as well. Let's start with a golden globe. Nominations though the first big news as I was enraged beyond all belief Aletha. Robert Deniro was snubbed. For best actor in a musical drama so that was just ridiculous but the good news is ours did do very well. Otherwise upper best is patriots. Course says he's up for Director Pacino. PECI upper supporting actress Steve's Aliens Upper Dapper screenplay so very very happy to see him that I love their Bong Jun Ho for parasite love seeing him get now and for best director and parasite is up for foreign film. I'm hoping that somehow the parasite can crash the Party and actually get down here for a best picture. JUST AS Roma did a season ago. But it's up for foreign foreign films well other than that not too. Many surprises was hoping Shiloh buff to get why which I've seen the APP. I just think it's a good story. Buddy Ben Lines is twenty time. Because he's been interviewing Shiloh buffalo over Los Angeles so he did not get in. But that's that's the one carry honestly my first glance to Golden Globes. Look at supporting actor. Brad Pitt for once upon a time in Hollywood al Pacino Pacino for the Irishman Tom. Hanks Beautiful Dan neighborhood. Joe Patchy the Irishman and Anthony Hopkins the two popes. I'll be watching the two popes this week so we'll have a review next week on offer that but joe you talk about a loaded category pit Pacino. Hanks Patchy Hopkins. That's insane. That is absolutely nuts and the question Russian was who was going to be left out so the fact. That Deniro was the one left out. It's getting a lot. That's for lead actor. That's Deniro Leftover lead actor. Yeah that's that's for supporting. I supported the ones who are left. Adhere Willem Defoe left out for the lighthouse and Shiloh buffer. Honey boy. There's a couple of guys who are hoping to crack that party. Lead actor though. Yeah the the the nominees. They're still of course. Put it up for the globe between drama and comedy or musical so I would have been nominated for drama and it ends up being Adam driver marriage story. Sorry why thinks should win. Antonio banderas pain and glory which I've reviewed on snowfall is very good. Good to see a foreign film get in there for a best actor nomination Joaquin Phoenix for joker. Jonathan Pryce the the two popes again. I'll see that this week and Christian Bale four versus FRY. That's the one that's hanging bales are good actor. There's nothing unique. What he's doing? The role good performance should have been there for lead actor there but yeah at the glories interesting because he split it up so late night which I give to beliefs Emma. Thompson's up for best actress and think it's the best actress worthy role. But it's music accommodates. You gotTA squeeze all these people in Cape Blanchette got destroyed. Where'd you go? Bernadette critics savaged diplomats. I WanNa hear so boom there she is. I was happy to see Beanie Feldstein Feldstein analogy for book smart so good books market now Eddie. Murphy's up for best actor because it's musical or comedy so you get ten nominees so it's always tricky. Joe You end up seeing ten nominees Omni's between drama and musical or comedy and he's listed for the Oscars. It's only going to be half this list more than often than not. It's the NOMISMA. Drama category will translate over. Yeah definitely apparently though. I am happy to see in musical comedy. Category this year. More than any I think actual comedies get nominated with Gioja Rabbit. DOLEMITE is my name once upon a time in Hollywood very funny and the obligatory rocket man on the musical side. So it'll be interesting to see how it stacks up. Come Oscar season so the nominations by Motion Picture Irishman. It gets five marriages troy which is fantastic. That got six. Once upon a time in Hollywood got five joker got four ridiculous. Todd Phillips is up best director and it's up for best picture of the two folks got four nine thousand nine hundred seventeen which I also have the screener for candidacy that Sam Mendis got nominated for best director and best picture that looks great and then parasite rocket band knives out so on and so forth. I'm not gonNA focus on the TV as much. It's mainly stuff you've seen before nominates such as fleabag insure noble and good to see Berry nominated again of course and I really actually excited for one nomination which was Rami. I've talked before about how much I love the show. Romney Romney Yousef is up for best actor musical or comedy. So He's not GonNa win. He's up against Paul. Rudd for living with Yourself Ben. Platt the politician bill haters probably the favor for Berry and Michael. Douglas for the kaminsky method. Actually Douglas by wind because all veteran vote Romney Yousef getting. I was very happy to see that. Really happy yeah I mean that's that's Sr guy right there we gotta we gotta give him some love. And as far as best director though who I mean to me the biggest snub for that category was Noah Baumbach not been and nominate. I feel like you have switched out Todd Phillips with no bomb obsolete. Thanks for mentioned that director went. So Scorsese I hope wins for the Irishman. Although I really think Bongino on June who's got a good shot here with parasite because it's Hollywood foreign press and that is definitely you know the movie. Everyone's a parasite and I obviously loved the film. So I think maybe he wins for director. I feel like it's a three-horse race between Bongino score says he and Tarantino I though I think people realize wants to find time in Hollywood is not Tarantino's best. I can't remember how many Times Square says he's won the Golden Globe I think he's GonNa twice for directors and we'll have only won the won Oscar for departed. But Yeah I definitely would have been taught also joke. I would've loved to have seen Noah Baumbach marriage story story haven't seen little women. Yep Regret Grid nicest female in there for change for directors. Rarely you get a female nomination. Maybe a Kathryn bigelow or Jane campion way back in the day for the piano. But Yeah I'm with the job would have liked to have seen Noah Baumbach Lebombo feels like he's going to be locked for screenplay he's nominee up against Steve's yelling for the Irishman Bongino Hejin one for parasite anti McCartan the two popes and of course Tarantino for once upon time in Hollywood. So it's GONNA be exciting man Golden Globes. It's it's not the the best precursor the Oscars. Obviously the SAG award nominees are better in terms of actors but the gloves are still a fun party. And by the way Ricky Gervais says hosting so more reason to need the happened exciting for them within that really really excited for it and we'll be doing our recap APP after the Golden Globes air on January fits everyone. Listen out for that as well awesome. Let's get to the movies then. I WanNa talk about uncut gems so I was in the Los Angeles couple of weeks ago for disown managed a couple of my buddies. Ben Lyons and Max Breath of course both have been sinophile guests and bengals. Listen I got a pass to go see uncut Jim Sites Sandler's movie and like perfect so we go and see it and it's a terrific movie and before I go to the review of the movie. I want to say what happened afterwards. So we're kind of catching up after seeing some more serves and there's a Sandman Sandler vary You know open walking around. You can talk to have a few words. There was a panel afterwards. My friend Scott Fiber from hall reported. Great job so so he's talking to Sandler and demons. Al And the Safi brothers the directors of the film bedding and Josh and sailor. By the way I have apologized for basketball shorts. WHO's helping my kid with his science project? Sorry I'm just wearing basketball. Shorts t shirt. Whatever you just shows up But he was fine with the penalty just kind of spoke about the role and how he got it and obviously atypical for him and for those who are unaware with the stories about he plays a a jewelry store dealer who is just completely becoming unhinged and his life is falling apart creating out of control. He's GonNa Insane Gambling problem problem he's ripping people off left and right and he's in the midst of a divorce with his wife. He's girlfriends costume stress. He's just got a thousand things operating against him and he said he was reluctant to do it. I put this after brothers bugging him and his agent were like a commodity that you're GonNa love these guys. They're Jews from New York who play basketball and sailors like write these. These people are always hounding me we now. My Jews were from New York. Oh play hoop but once you saw the script and you got into it. He really enjoyed doing it. And he's got some of the best reviews career for the movies so before I talk more about the film Sandler's there and I just want to talk to him and I just didn't know what to say because we honestly I'm not crazy about waterboy and all that stuff billy Madison. I know everybody else. Mates loves it but I really don't care about it I I just love punchdrunk love but I want to and I just said hey man I used to work at ESPN. And I thought you really nailed all the sports stop playing playing a gambling addict. There's a lot of people out there. I'm sure like this. She really nail the whole sports theme of it. He's gone all thanks. I appreciate it and before I went up to talk to them. There's a guy recognize me. WHO's a hey you're from Toronto right? I'm a Canadian. I know you aren't good enough because I want to get a picture with you Taylor Mike. Great so it's me this guy just met and Adam Sandler and the guy got smells to take the picture and the efforts have to ask the skyway just Matt McKay. I'll give you my number. Can you text. It'd be that picture of Adam Sandler and then of course crop them out. Instagram twitter of me and Adam Sandler which is terrible but honest about the guy. I'm glad he's a fan. I appreciate him watching so I was with Adam Sandler color and I thought about it after they mentioned Jack and Jill just Adore Pacino. KAYLA's like you you sullied Al Pacino's career and his reputation for years here whereas you've done whenever people try to praise Pacino. The Irish from you should win at Second Oscar. Guys Jack and Jill Like Adam D. Do you feel at all responsible for what you did that use although I will still they'll defend Jack and Jill for a couple of moments one of which has the meltdown on stage about the cell phones and the Dunkin Chino commercial both layers. Otherwise that movie's executive expect so yeah committing Sandler and many Safti. Who Ben knows a little bit the director and I said I have one question for you? And he's like yeah I go. Why is it when Sandler Sandler is watching a basketball game? which has gambled on Boston? Celtics Kevin Garnett always in the movie and then he goes to his kid to bed after eighty two minutes l.. His wife is yelling at him to do so he comes back in his wife has changed the channel. Can you put the game back on. ESPN I said. There's no way that game was Hispanic game is is on Don T and you just see the blood draining. Benny Safdie his face. I'm Ben Lyons has. He's the best and really jumped singles. Baby just 'cause the characters so you know unhinged challenge put the game back on and the Guy Benza. Staring at me I go do Mahato Percent I. I don't WanNa be like. Hey you know I worked at his family. Trust me I know Mike brains voice versus Kevin. Harlan whoever's calling the game so he literally this that's the heart attack. I gave one of the hottest young directors in Hollywood humidity. Paul's point is right now. Like okay like at times stops right now because just imagine if this is wrong. He's enough to call. Oh eight twenty four. Hey can we get Adam Sandler to retract. Can we re shoot this scene. Just have him say. Can you put the game back on. TNT CAN AGR loophole somehow. And I'm by the away. A thousand percent confident that I'm right like I put a billion dollars on so he's checking his. Somebody else could talk to her. But we're still a hangar gag buzz you check this phone thing he goes through it and then the look on his face and I was like. I'm so sorry I don't I realized in that moment that I'm a total jerk because I've just given this guy who sweat over this film for years. I got just. I wouldn't have ruined him right. Definitely pissed pissed them off in that moment and I was like I just at a sports guy like I'm a sports guy literally. I'm GonNa notice that when he says he put the game back with the Games and the look at his face but but thankfully again Ben Save is do whatever the guys losing his mind. It's like when someone says. Can you put the game on. ESPN but you know it's an ABC. Like who cares. It doesn't it's not actually important. I said of course Benny any. You've made great fail. I'm the one guy can do not worry. No one's GonNa notice these things with Benny Safdie or the best young I I even afterwards Joe. I realized I probably shouldn't have done it but I just I honestly was curious. I wasn't terribly you screwed up. I was like hey why did he. Why did you did you do that? Like did you notice that continuity joe it got to wow. I can't imagine that I mean. How long did the whole situation take was it actually? ESPN where what did they change it to you know I know that the game is definitely on. TNT that sailors watching and then Edina Manzella's yelling at him so he goes to the room with his career. He's watching the game on his phone. He comes back and he says the guy to his daughter. Excuse me wife Leeann put the game back on. ESPN so it was. It was wrong. He should've taken but the game back on TNT. But I mean at this point. They're like who cares. Even Betty laughed after Ben's explanation. He goes if anybody anybody else. Besides you ask me. I'll say listen. He's so stressed out you so out of his mind coach the game on Espn Disney minorities saying he just needs. Put the game on perfect. That's that's great. It's good to have a wing man like that for those anyways. Back to the movie itself. Uncut Gems Jewelry store owner. Who is just losing his mind? And the SAFDIE brothers They've really made a mark in Hollywood now because the fact that they've got this real excellent pace to I mean this film it is so involving it puts you in that world immediately. Lee and Talk after I'd upset. He's after I did ask him about. You know where they shot it. Needs Solicit was right. The Jewelry District in New York City Sandler talked with a bunch of jewellery. Guys the era Ni. There's one scene where there Kevin Garnett goes a jewelry shop and sailors as I like it gives us to me. Let let me Polish off for you. He said he learned that from other jewelry shop dealers he because the deal is you've got to get the jewelry off the guy you start Polish. And then he starts off you like. There's I got something better for you. And that's that's the key is a really smart way of doing it because Oh yeah you get at the jewelry off the guy and then you start look at this look at this look at this. Look at this Nelson. He starts buying everything in the store. And Keep stanfield draws very interesting you know he's like he recruits roots. These guys I think of how many players have a lot of jewelry he's like well he's staples guy becomes friends with them and then he brings him a sandler shops like he gets kind of it and meantime sandwich this gigantic basketball fan. Which of course he is in real life? So that's funny that you're seeing the role but listen. He's an actor who it oftentimes has done those roles that are a little bit juvenile and silly but this is a role which is very demanding. Because he's a clearly unlikeable character. I mean he's has no scruples. He has no morals. I mean he's cheating on his wife. He's you know he's just a just a mess. He's a delinquent father her he is literally rob money from Peter to pay Paul. Like it's insane the way there's one scene I'm like Oh my God. There's so much dialogue in this movie the way he's explaining to the guy I always basically taking Garnett's ring. He's putting it up for silver here. Like Hawking areas putting your I get the ring back. I need this money for this. Put Five grand on this Mike. Francesa shows up the famous. Let's talk shows as a gambler. And like it's just it's just a bookie excuse me and he's just. It's all over the place but I see. It's a claustrophobic film. I think it was too long if it'd been ninety minutes and kept up that pace the old time it'd be great by the time it gets to ours is a little bit exhausting. Just because the character himself is so obnoxious and irritating after awhile you wouldn't mind punching him in the face and the directing itself there's really never any let up. It's a lot of hand held. Its OUGHTA tracking shots. You're constantly in the moment which I think is very effective. I think after a while. It's a little bit exhausting. Sandler's terrific traffic He just won the national border view. Best actor I don't think it's an Oscar nomination but maybe he crashes the Party when the SAG nations come out because it's definitely is best dramatic role since punch drunk love and if you like sports or sports gambling or that kind of era. I think it's movie enjoy. I'm going to give uncut gems. Three Maple leafs bras for the record pie. Given to police. He just. The character was too annoying Ben Lines even more. I'M GONNA give it three napping before we believe so. I think it's bends topped in movies of the year. But that's uncut Gems Adam Sandler Joe in a way of never seen him before. Really excited for this to come out. Love Adam Sandler his whole career what he does. But more importantly Kevin Garnett's my all time favorite athletes. So yeah so yeah he he is my number one yeah. He's the reason why I'm a basketball fan so I cannot wait to see this movie and from what I've been reading about it it just seems like make it really captures New York in real authentic way as well so you know living in New York. It's good to watch a movie like that but to say like Scott Regards GonNa love this. This is about as Jewish New York as it gets. There's a scene where they're having a seder like I mean it's unbelievable Guy Jutta hearses in the mood for God's Sakes Judd Hirsch is fantastic. I mean the fact. He's in the movie Eric but goes in the movie. I mean it's very very New York and authentic of that era. I'M GONNA fly soon other reviews I went on a trip to Saudi Arabia for zone so I got to watch the movies yesterday's movie Louis I'm GONNA give too many beliefs to that's Danny Boyle Film. It's about this guy a Mesh Patel who says accident and in that accident everyone forgets that the Beatles ever ever existed so. He's a struggling singer songwriter. Who Sings yesterday to his friends? And like what the Hell's Isaac it's the Beatles at what's the Beatles and Google's Beatles and also you just see a shot of a beetle the insect and whether running jokes a lot of things have not just been got at one point is is mom brings a food he goes. I prefer coke. There's a pepsi. She was what what's that and again. She leaves Romi Google's coke what comes up is Pablo Escobar. And so all right. There's no Coca Cola in this new world that we live in now with Pepsi and other times says of the gals and then actually what expertise the types childish Gambino Boom Dollar Glover's the guy that guy that's still around okay. He's still around but it's an interest. It's farfetched premise. Obviously Richard Curtis wrote it. He's he's a very well-known. British scribe at four weddings and a funeral love actually Danny Boyle opposite directors. Very strong pedigree having slumdog millionaire but I just thought it was one of those movies. It's like a one note joke. It was tough to sustain interest for the whole time essentially this guy and his own memory exist. Imagine if you think of the Beatles songs like Oh my God and he's a singer. Songwriter streets to remember the chords. And the songs okay yellow submarine. Hey Jew what are all the lyrics to this because obviously the lyrics don't exist the only exist in his own brain in his own memory so he ends up doing. The songs longs and now listen and becomes a massive sensation is opening for ED. Sheeran insurance tells me a better songwriter than he is. Kate McKinnon is actually quite funny. She plays a small but important role as a music. Executive in California's Al fortyish tries to lure him back in. And there's a couple of people actually do remember the Beatles songs. Oh my God she bill just like him and then he gets scared. The whole Russa's GonNa come up and it's all leading towards this romantic plot because the girl that he was the star now all of a sudden these rich and famous and Yadda Yadda Yadda so honestly. If you're a big fan of the Beatles go check it out. I think Danny boy which occurs have made better films. But it's charming up and obviously a great soundtrack so to police for yesterday. Jody of any interest in seeing this big Beatles Fan. I'm a huge huge huge fan. But I can't think of what a world that I I would wanna live in less. which would be a world without coker world without the Beatles released a toss up there a good line by Joe and by the way his stand up is coming? Got My cuff. My friend down cuff. WHO MESSAGE TO BE? These gotta hear Joe Stand Up. Don't worry it's coming. We're going to save the best for last so that will be coming at one point in time. Couple of Moore's real quick here stock home because I love youth and Hawk Claire Atkins Dan Robert Shut up. They also love youth and Hawk as much as I do. It's called Stockholm a poor man's dogged afternoon if you will will Stockholm Syndrome of course with the title is named after he plays a bank robber. Set in the seventy s and that's all it is it's bank. It's like ninety minutes. It's I love the fact that was nice and tight. He's terrific as always i. Sometimes I like the fact that he's very laconic like if picture him. Unlike Richard Linklater movies here is more air trigger. You know here he's channeling pulling Pacino Pacino's sunny and dog after you got Ethan Hawke just losing his mind unhandy screaming and of course the whole idea. Stockholm Syndrome is that the person WHO's capture after search to identify with the person who is captured them so new me repace plays Bianca land. Who Ends up being attracted Ethan? Hawke even though she's been captured by him mark strong places accomplice As well and takes place in the Stockholm Bank at Lars nystroem is a character. Play Youth and Hawk. It's written director Robert Boudreau. If you like Ethan Hawke I would check it out. It's obviously a very small budget. Basically that one location. Which is the bank metal offers much new to the bank robber genre? But I think it was accurate and certainly can feel the intensity. And it's a good actor showcase for Ethan Hawke going to give that three maple leafs. 'cause a big fan of his and one more Stan and Ollie. This is a Laurel and hardy movie. Steve Coogan John C Riley. Now Jacksonville actually got a Golden Globe nomination for playing Oliver Hardy. This one's a disappointment for me. I'm giving it to maple leafs. This is about the world's greatest comedy team facing an uncertain future as the golden golden era of Hollywood remains long behind them to finish by age. The duo set up to reconnect with their adoring fans by turning variety halls in Britain in one thousand nine hundred ninety three. They can't shake the passes is a long break tension and failing health threatened to harm their partnership. What is with all these movies focusing on artists at the end of their career? Why don't have to watch judy in the last six months? That's why I'm watching. CNN Ali in their last year together like why. Can't I focus on the highs and the lows like I'm begging now for traditional bio-pic I wanna see Laurel and hardy. How do they become Laurel and hardy? Like who the Hell L. or Laurel and hardy comedy team predates Bobbin and Costal. It's all I know. Once can you fat like it would give me some stuff on these guys where they come from whether beginnings team together instead this just focusing on the end when you know the virtually destitute and it's well acted Steve Coogan the Stan Laurel John was just covered in makeup. That was my biggest take a look. Look at the prosthetics. A cow fat. They may John Rally. His face is gigantic gigantic. Torso is huge. I'm like I'm like God. He just swallowed up. Make like forget about aging like Mardi. Could've done some wonder issue with Iowa. We're just GONNA get a fat suit. Jonky rally he's going to suffer through. We're going to figure it out but I would have liked a lot more about laurel and hardy their beginnings highs how they became so iconic attic rather than having to do. You know the stuff at the end here with a really kinda struggling all right. We are going to get to Reviews those the quick reviews their of yesterday Astana in an all. I do want to talk for the Twentieth Anniversary of Fight Club the twenty fifth anniversary hudsucker proxy. That more coming up next now on BLU ray and digital see Hollywood's biggest stars Leonardo DiCaprio Brad Pitt and Margot Robbie in Quentin Tarantino's acclaimed ninth film. Once upon a time in Hollywood the must see movie of the year critics agrees. Brilliant Time magazine says decapa. A pit are marvelous together and the New York Times says it's not going anywhere it will stand as a source of delight for as long as we care about movies now with over twenty minutes of additional scenes and exclusive Lucifer access to the set including the film's production design. Cinematography costume is on cars. And more once upon a time in Hollywood. Watch it now on BLU ray and digital digital radar the first rule fight club. Do not talk about fight club. The film came on October. Fifteenth Steve Nine Hundred Ninety nine at INSOMNIAC office worker at devil-may-care soap maker form an underground plight club that evolves into something much much more. I gotTa admit I missed the vote on this one. I remember when it came out twenty years ago I was in college. I was in my Second last year I believe at Ryerson and sometimes you get poisoned by the people. You're with and I remember. I saw the people who were not as crazy about it and I thought it was good but not great and my roommate Jane Ads Jonah Edelman the best he loved he was unbelievable. And so oh this summary. No I saw Johnny Hussein's play and we're talking about fight club and I just read that book. Of course Jeff said it a few times here about the best movie. You're ever so I said maybe I should go back and watch if I call again and I was wrong. It's brilliant. It's a fantastic movie. And I I think it really tap into the Zeitgeist of that era of male angst and rage and and Y2k. Okay like the paranoia that time and the urgency which everyone felt and the unwieldy which everyone was soaked in you know this is a guy who just wants to get punched in in the face to feel something like think about that. You're so bored. You're so run down by your life. You're so disappointed but what your life turned out to be that you only way you could feel anything is by getting your ass kicked and obviously the source. Patillo is really good. Chuck playing book but the performances are terrific. Ivy Edward Norton newly nails everyman quality. But a guy who's just eager to feel something and Brad Pitt is marvelous. I mean he's so charismatic. As Tyler durden. I think the original time when I saw it. I just thought the twist once you find out spoiler alert the teller Jordan does not exist. I that it is Edward Norton Michael could that's just too far fetched but when I watched it again agreed who cares. Just go with it. It doesn't have to be necessarily realistic. Just the whole concept of it. It's pretty smart. And what what else would you have done like how else we're GONNA get out of the story like he just kills teller during her toddler. Okay fine this at least was different and unique and watch it a second time for some reason the twist. It didn't bother me as much actually thought it was smarter on the first time around. I was Kinda rolling my eyes. It's really smartly directed by David. fincher I mean he just throws a kitchen sink at it. Such a connecticut style of filmmaking. It really probably is his best film and Hannah bottom casually funniest MARLA small rural but also important. The Story Fight Club. I gotta be honest Joe. I missed the boat on this one. It's a lot better than I realized that it really is a great film. Yeah this film's incredible. I completely agree I it was critically panned when it came out to. If I'm not mistaken and I know that it kind of developed a cult following the years and soon but I think you're else forget in Robert Paulson. His name is Robert Paulson. MEATLOAF is in the movie to which I completely forgot about until I watched it a few months ago. Me Los Unbelievable. I mean when you see these got the man boobs and he's just this overweight guy but then the one fight he gets in he seems vicious. You're right I have no idea how. How the Hell meatloaf ended up being in the movie? Ventures we known for me takes us. Could you imagine like telling you know meet Lubbock at thirty takes forty takes guy must have been a crazy experience but yeah fight nightclub man. If you haven't seen it before definitely check it out and one more before we get some entertainment news and Chris Beach Coming along the way hudsucker proximate huge cone. Brothers fans I'd never seen it. It's a twenty fifth anniversary. Here's the story greedy executive Sidney J Musburger. Paul Newman Hope. Stick control the company. He works for my purchasing majority share. But you must. First Devalue the stock. So he convinces. This is the board to appoint new nothing. Recent graduate NORVILLE BARNES BUT MUSBURGER plot backfires when Barnes's latest invention succeed thereby increasing the company's value worship undercover reporter. Amy Archer has the scoop on must burgers shady dealings. I'm going to give it three. Maple leafs and it really has the cobras love of that era. Those guys they just love. SCREWBALL rupaul comedies. I mean if they could be anybody. I'm sure that they could be Howard hawks. And it'd be in the nineteen forties and you got like Carey grant and just batting witticisms back and forth the problem with it is Jennifer. Jason Leigh. I thought was miscast as Amy Archer. Her character just seems Irksome rather than charming although she does her best nail that whole pattern the rapid fire dialogue. But Paul Newman is always the twinkle in his eye charming. Dj Musburger. Tim Robbins effective as normal. Barnes as guy who's kind of dimwit but honestly with the cones. I don't think it's too robbins. Is Best decently definitely isn't strong but it's the supporting cast is so good. Not only Newman. But Charles Great John Mahoney Bill cobbs like the codes are always so good with cashing those other smaller characters and seamer Charles during lily gets up on the table and runs out the window and jumps to his own suicide again. It just shows the cones are so good with their camera and so Just liberating me and they just take that camera. Let it fly wherever there's such creative guys and when they make their movies much like acquaintance you know they just love movies so much. So that's why I always find interesting. IS THAT NOT ONLY A. They're never land polluting the air. It's always been a majdal that era and sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't I mean listen. They've definitely had their share abyss buyers over the years hail. Caesar was awful even though. It's a love letter movies of that era but in the case of the hudsucker proxy. You know tossing back to those forties type comedies. I thought it was charming and funny. And definitely that. SCREWBALL air to it. And we haven't seen a job when you might WanNa check hudsucker proxy especially here at Cobo. There's fan it's one that doesn't get mentioned mentioned very often with the Coen brothers which is why I want to check it out. I feel like it was definitely miss at the box office. I believe critics kind of dumped on it this was before they made Fargo which won them their First Academy Award. But I feel like this was the one that got a little more waylaid compared to the reviews that they got for raising Arizona Barton Fink which people love and blood simple and all the rest of it. But if you haven't seen hudsucker proxy I recommend especially if you're a COMA SPAN I am I. I love the Coen brothers and you're right. I had no idea how this movie is flown under the radar. So I mean with your recommendation. I'm I'm definitely going to watch it this weekend. I love it man all right a few more bits entertainment news and then. We'll get to Chris. Beecham Irishman thankfully named the best film of the year by the National Board of Review Review. NPR's always a little bit all over the place. So I wouldn't take too much stock with all of this but as soon as I saw it's like the Iowa Caucus they kick off the award season. Best Director Tarantino one. That's where I say. Don't take too much stock in it. I think he'll get nominee but GONNA win it. Adam Sandler won best actress. UNCUT GEMS again not nominated for a golden globe. Maybe he gets a SAG nomination. Maybe an ostrich Austria now Renee Zellweger Wins for Judy. She's pretty much at this point. Brad Pitt once upon a time in Hollywood Chris Peach and we'll tell us feels like his time and Kathy Bates were Richard Jewell jewell. Who is not going to get nominated for SAG award because we're screwed up and they submitted her for lead actress so she's not GonNa for sagging? She wins supporting actress from the N. B. R.. Maybe I just WanNa Golden Globe who knows parasite wins best foreign film maiden best documentary. Ben Line's been raped since last year. I think it came out at Sundance and how to train your dragon. The hidden world best animated made a feature able uh so the top ten overall nine hundred. Seventeen dolman is my name. That's good news for me and Joe for Ferrari Formula Funds Joe Joe Rabbit I. I really liked a lot knives out. I'm halfway through it. Marriage story brilliant once upon a time in Hollywood watch it a second time on the flight to holly a Saudi Arabia. Better than I thought. It's still not great. I still don't think it's Great Tarantino but I I do enjoy the humor performances are really good just too many damn scenes of them driving. I mean to forty. That movie is chopped it on a to tend to be a lot better Richard Jewel. Which again this is where I said the NBA lose their minds? There's getting zero buzzed for that movie. I signed from Kathy Bates that they put Richard Jewel. Clinton's new film as top ten uncut gems. Good to see that and wave which is getting zero love as well. I got the screen for that Children Cape around in that film. That was Kinda surprised us. The mood that did not get mentioned for top ten good issue joke or ignored the farewell which I thought was a little underwhelming underwhelming beautiful Dama. Everyone I liked. Little women is shocking. That was not including the top ten again. That's where I do think the Oscars will reward and the two popes which. I'll be watching this week. That also got snubbed. The other top ten there so if there were any indicator of potential Oscar nods last year the NBA had only four four of the eight Oscar. Best picture nominees on on if top ten list so there is my point. It's only fifty percent. It's not very strong in that essence. Mad Max very roads. One of my favorite movies early action movie in Years George Miller it's been four four years since he that film. Ab Club by the way called the film of the decade. He's taken pains. Over the years to assure panicking hordes of allow themselves to become addicted to his high octane brand in a storytelling his next film is in the works. He's also made clear as a seventy six year old tour. He doesn't feel especially beholden to letting the market dictate which movie will actually make next. And this is a guy was responsible for babe pig in the city which is unbelievable. Recent news is next. Project will be neither shiny nor chrome but focusing gonNA mysterious Idris. Elba Tilda Swinton starring project. Three thousand years of longing. He's not giving up any plot details he did go far. As tonto Saul by dubbing it the Anti Mad Max Max almost the opposite of fury road. It's almost all interior. There's a lot of conversation at there are action scenes but they are by the by. It's devastating Joe. I wanted another Mad Max. Fury wrote me. Eighty two. I mean. Don't get me wrong. I loved happy feet as a guilty pleasure. My Man Max is just one of the best movies of the decade. It was so good and I think everyone is clamoring for a number two to that. I don't know somber note happy trails. Legendary puppeteer Caroll spinney brought to life big bird and Oscar the garage on Sesame Street dying at the age of eighty five in a distant sesame street. Spinney Voice Big Bird in the movie Oscar. The grouch in the Upper Caper and beloved characters in Nineteen eighty-five all that bird. The four daytime Emmy Awards a lifetime achievement award for his work on Sesame Street. Listen you don't have to have kids like me Joe. Everybody loves Sesame Street. Whatever age or we can all appreciate? You should have great big bird and Oscar the garage Caroll Spinney legend. You know this kind of feels like Mister Rogers. In a way to you know everyone just. He'll be missed. He'll Lee missed and we're lucky to have him for so many years right now. It's time for a special guests. I'll give you the bio first. Then we'll bring him in Chris. Peach and the manner for Gold Derby he began closely following the NSA Nostra's is at eight eight by keeping journals of all the winners nominees and presenters long before the Internet he has hosted over a thousand interviews assisted many emmy winners in choosing their episode submissions including winners. There's tyrel Allison Janney Cynthia Nixon. Jim Parsons and more he builds prediction center events scheduling all interviews creating panels and events plus keeping a close relationship with all studios networks networks. He's a friend he's great here he is. You've probably heard about Martin Scorsese's latest film the Irishman. That's right because I've been telling you about it since I saw the New York Film Festival. And tell you. It's the best picture of the year. I saw three times in theaters. I just watched the documentary on Netflix. And yes at some point I am going to wash a fourth time but the bottom line is this. I've seen a three times. I think it's the best movie of the year. It's an incredible film. It's honestly a look at organized crime and would only Martin score says he can do. But here's what you wanted to know. How do I get more this? How do I get more of the movie? Well honestly now you can do it. Go behind the scenes with this official three par companion podcast from Netflix. Each episode features interviews with cast and crew including. Martin Scorsese Robert De Niro Al Pacino and Joe Patchy here the story. The Real Irishman Frank. Sheeran as told the Charles Brandt author of a her Japan houses discover how processing Deniro fought for years to bring that story to the screen. Green plus learn about the brand new technology. The Visual Effects Wizards at industrial light. Magic built to bring this epic tale to life including De Aging. The movie stars hosted by the Irishman co-starring comedian. Sebastian MANISCALCO trays crazy Joe. He'll gray. Was He the movie you learn about. France confessional author Charlie Brandt Deniro skirts. Sassy discussing the film is brought to life housekeeper. Oscar says he lured Joe Pesci out of retirement episode three particular dives in the work of alum and that groundbreaking technology honestly behind the Irishman is one of many companion podcast broadcasting. Netflix is producing this summer. They released a behind the scenes. Look at stranger things. They're currently running a temporary crown. Behind the Irishman the first standalone net flicks podcast cast dedicated to a single film. I will absolutely be listening to this. You better as well first episode available now. New episodes of behind the Irishman released every Monday. Monday be wary of spoilers. Watch the Irishman on Netflix. Before he listened to the podcast obviously but search for behind the Irishman Apple. PODCASTS spotify stitcher pocket CASS. Ask or wherever you listen to podcasts. Check it out all right a real pleasure. Welcome back to sin a foul my friend in crispy Chamisa part of gold. Derby DOT COM. Go L. D. D. E. R. B. Y.. Dot Gob. It is the number one site when it comes to predictions not only for the Academy Awards but also Golden Globes. grammys the SAGS. You name it. I was thrilled to be a part of the safe for a couple of years and now Chris is back with us here on the Chris. Good morning to you because I know obviously here on the West Coast there. How is everything the day after the Golden Globe announcements? Come out to sleep three extra hours this morning really really early on the West Coast yesterday. Ah tweeting why the hell is this at five. Am this makes no sense. But let's get to it. We'll talk globe nominations but also dovetail at the Oscars as well so the best motion picture actor drama nominees. The Irishman Joker the two popes marriage story in one thousand nine hundred seventeen and a musical or comedy. Once upon a time in Hollywood knives out Dolemite as my my name Jo Jo Rabbit and rocket. Man There's always a couple of these Krista I roll my eyes access it well. There's no way they're going to get enough support for the Oscars so specifically rocket man. I don't see getting picture nomination and I don't think there's going to be enough support for Dolemite as my name or knives out. Although I think knives out we get a screenplay nomination but I listen. I think the Irishman is the booby to beat Whether it's the Golden Globes and the Academy Awards a good showing yesterday at the Globes. Obviously what are your thoughts in. The Irishman is being the best picture favourite as it stands. I do think they get is the favourite at the Oscars we try to talk to people at parties and events and things. I don't get the impression even though we got a lot of nominations yesterday. That the glow voters are in love with the Irishman though Just a little tip. They are making predictions on our website or somewhere else remember. This is a group last year that gave the drama film award to Rhapsody was like they said we know this is going to win the Oscar for best picture. But it's our favorite and we're going to vote for it anyway and and that's what might happen here. At the Globes with joker joker got surprising nomination for director yesterday. Deniro was left out of of the Irishman nomination. So we'll try to look at little clues like that when we're making our predictions. I wasn't crazy about joker so I didn't like the fact that it was known for best picture or director. Although I've accepted the fact that Joaquin Phoenix again nominated for actor. Let's go writer director Chris because the nominees here are Scorsese for the Irishman. When Quentin Tarantino for once upon a time in Hollywood Todd Phillips for joker same Mendis for nineteen seventeen embalm Juninho for parasite I'm hoping for the Oscars it's four of those five five and I'm hoping maybe Greta Gerwig little women gets into Anna Todd Phillips and tries to break up the boys club what do you think about that? Possibly or you know what I love to get Noah Baumbach in their marriage story. And you know that I don't know if they're married or if they're life partners but that would be fun if they both got in you know no I am Greta Into the same director category. The thing about that too on screenplay they both wrote their own screenplays but they're in opposite categories for the Oscars she's an adapted and he's an original digital so the only place we could see them face off as director. I do think four out of these five or pretty much locked in for the authors. Don't expect type Phillips again. Necessarily there. no regret I think are the two one of those two. We'll get in with these for the person to watch for both ceremonies. That people don't know much much about is the parasite director Bong Jun Ho. They've gone so International the last few years for director not necessarily foreign foreign language films but the the directors being Mexican Often in recent years That he very well could win. I remember because they do win for the language film. That's a parasite wins that Eddie Globes early Oscar. He doesn't get the award there. He goes up and accepts the only place he get actually win Well he's also the screenwriter but he it'd be one director and foreign language film e He personally only gets one trophy. That's that's a great point. I noticed I watch fallon yesterday. Juninho was on the show with a translator there. When was the last time Gilmore? Del Toro or Alfonzo. Korol those those guys do speak English but in the case of Bong Jun ho I mean he spoke a very limited amount of English but the translator is there to help them out but I thought that was unique to see a foreign language director on the tonight show with Jimmy. That's just an example. How much this film has crossed over and I'm with you? I'm really curious what happens with the DJ the directors Guild Award. Because I'm with you. I think that Irishman Ariston Wins Best Picture certainly at the Oscars and think score says He. I would have thought in some ways the favorite to win his second best director award. But I'm with you. We've seen more fragmentation and high with the last few two years you know it's not that uniform used to have in the past winter would win like six or eight Oscars Green Book Wins Three Oscars including best picture your ago. I think you might see the Irishman when you know before or five Some of the other categories production design thelma spoon maker editing as well. But I'm with you. I think directing the one to watch out for his Bongino. Because it's a way of rewarding film which is really cut cut through. I mean it's made over one hundred million dollars domestic excuse me a worldwide box office and that would be a nice way of honoring the film which feels like a lock for for Foreign Phil. Well the the other thing is I talked to people. It seems to be that discovery movie of the year. The movie where you walk out of the theater and you call up your friends or text your friends or family and say well you gotta go see parasites Would there's usually like one movie a year. That's set discovery movie last year. It's sort of was green in book. I had many family members when I text them. I thought about a month before it came out of theaters and they would say toasty green book. When it comes out at Thanksgiving what is that? uh-huh never heard of that so parasites seems to be that movie but one that you WANNA share with people the one that you want to tell people about. I completely agree. And it's kind of movie you the and you're right Kristie tell them. Hey listen go see this. What's it about? I don't want to say anything I don't WANNA spoil it. Just go see it and you're gonNA love it. You think of you know movies usual suspects in the past. The less you know the better it is best screenplay for the Golden Globes again for the Oscars there's going to be original screenplay and adapted screenplay I think bombecks a lock by the way for an Oscar for screenplay but let's just look it for the Golden Globes it'll be Tarantino once upon a time bomb back from marriage story Anthony McCartan for the two. Popes haven't had a chance to see that film yet. But I'm excited to see it because it actually did well with Globes Jonathan Pryce get nominated Anthony Hopkins as well parasites screenplays nominated and then the one that I hope. When's the adapted screenplay core Stevens Yellen? He he won an Oscar for Schindler's list. I I think Oscar's wise like I said Baumbach wins original Zalin wins adapted but for the Globes and only five nominees. Who Do you like here? I do think this might the unknown sweep throughout the season winning at writers guild winning here winning it critics choice Oscars. He's never won before he's one of those they love to give at least one screenplay award every year to a writer director which he is of course that could mean Tarintino as well but Tarantino's got a couple already know US number one. I think this might turn it into a suite for him. It's one of those. It almost feels like a play. When you're watching it as well and they like those kind of movies screenplay apply very dialogue oriented? Yeah do you agree with Zeljko favor for adapted screenplay at the Oscars. He is the favorite the the fun thing like I mentioned before if little women does well at the astor's let's say six seven eight nomination range which is not impossible possible. It's going to get things like costume design. Production design possibly score sir show Ronin So Ev- Greta not. It becomes a favorite movie with live we feel like Ross gutters and that that narrative takes over where hey we could give Greta and Noah but in white beer both you give them Oscars that would be kind of fun. Yeah that would definitely be fun. We're talking to Chris. Peach of GOLD ADOBE DOT com. Check out the site is the best spot for all your predictions when it comes the Oscars the Globes. The grammys the EMMYS. You name it. Best performance by an actress in a motion picture drama. Chris Chris Zellwegger is GonNa win. She's not in for Judy. The other nominees. Or Shirley's there and for Bombshell Sharoni for Little Women Cynthia Rio for Herod having a chance to see that Yep. I am excited to see the Casey Lemons movie and Scarlett Johansson for marriage story musical or comedy nominees fraction. Of course there's two categories global just one for the Oscars but musical or comedy Aquafina Aquafina for the farewell. I Love Sidney Beanie Feldstein for book smart. That may be happy and to arm for knives out Emma Thompson for late night. And where'd you go Bernadette Cate Blanchett's again again. I feel like it's GonNa be tough. Musical or comedy nominees to get into the Oscars maybe Aquafina for the farewell. But it feels like this award season. It's going to be Renee Zellweger. The person to beat even though all. I didn't think the movie was great but her poem performance certainly was maybe Scott Janssen gives a ride for scarlet. It's GonNa be interesting because she's surprisingly family. Never got an Oscar nomination before. She's got two chances this year lead and supporting for Joe Rabbits Boarding But I do. It's going to be as year now. We said that about Glenn Close last year and the thing that held her back. It wasn't an anti Glenn Close By. It was her. What what seven hundred eighty seven nomination Never has won before it was the fact that that movie had no other nominations that maybe the problem. Judy this might rene might be be the only nomination for Judy. Although it's got a shot at maybe something like makeup and hair or costume design but that would be about it. everybody's what he's GonNa be watching Scarlet in marriage story. I think it's one of those two winning but Rene it's such a powerful over the top performance of a real life person. They love giving remember Rami last year. Playing Freddie Mercury. They love Real life person they can compare the performance the actual person. Yeah you're right definitely. The Hollywood always is in favor of best performance by an actor and emotion picture drama at the Golden Globes Christian Bale Ford Versus Ferrari Great Joaquin Phoenix for joker darris painting glory. Jonathan Pryce the two popes Adam driver for marriage story. That's an interesting one. Because obviously you mentioned Genero snub. which as a Trojan Oprah doesn't happen for the Oscars we'll see what the SAGS and hopefully Deniro gets in there for actor motion picture musical or comedy? You've got to Capri Oh for once upon a time in Hollywood Eddie Murphy. Fifty for Deloitte is my name Daniel Craig for knives out Doron Edgerton for rocket man and Robin Griffin Davis. A little kid from Joe Joe Rabbit. There's a surprise nomination. Good to see him get in there. I think. Think best actor is GonNa come down a driver and Phoenix. And I notice Chris on the site before you guys had drivers of air by Joaquin. Phoenix may now be the favors. Well you're kind of vastly in between those two when it comes the best actor winner For the Oscar at the very least well with these two guys. You've got people that are very well respected in the industry story for Phoenix. I believe it would be his fourth nomination. Never has one and I'm driver was just up last year and hasn't won and driver armor having some kind of year I mean. That's we in marriage story which will be as nomination the report which people let him way better to the movie You got a Tony Nomination. In the summer for his Broadway work and he's about to begin the biggest movie of the year and Star Wars doesn't people don't vote off of the fact that you've got multiple roles but it throws him back in the limelight again for a few weeks right as their voting It's GonNa be very interesting. I'm got Phoenix right at the moment because again again. It's kind of like Rene. It's such a flashy over the top performance as opposed to Adams more dialogue You know real life person kind of performance. Yeah that's why like drivers will better. I thought what came as good as an actor he is. I thought there was just unnecessary tics and mannerisms and as you say there was just excessive at what ties riot grew the driver. I just thought was so good. He's playing a normal guy going through this. This terrible crisis is he's trying to keep his family together but one thing I also wonder about and I think that's hurt Glenn enclosed last year and my wife. Almost every voter watches almost every movie on a screener or online streaming league Not In the theater theater do get out to as many as they can but they're busy as we are and you know there's one eight thousand of them so I know several Oscar voters. I just couldn't make it through joker There's just if either your cup of tea or it's not and it's very violent they're all GONNA make it through marriage story Although I did have a few Tomi boy that's hit too close to home this divorce. Sorry with two people really going at each other so Hollywood alone that might that that might hurt Video being a little too close to home. Although it's funny that that movie could be I mean it could be the Oscar winner picture. We really don't know right at the moment and it's exactly forty years it's versus Kramer which is the movie as most comparative right the best divorce movie since you're right it's interesting the parallels there and that's funny but the fact maybe we'll do close that's interesting. The category that I think is the most loaded with talent best performance by an actress supporting role in a motion picture. These nominees for the Golden Globes Brad Pitt for once upon a time in Hollywood. WHO's terrific? I mean that role of cliff is so funny and he plays it. Well Pacino's best performance since I would say Donnie BRASCO which was nineteen ninety seven. He's tremendous Jimmy Hoffa and the Irishman. You've got Tom Hanks again. He has been nominated along. Remember he got snubbed. For Captain Phillips. I didn't think beautiful day but it was great. But he's fantastic. I thought he really nailed the empathy of Mister Rogers. Joe Patchy people. We're going crazy but for the Irishman Chris because he hasn't acted in a decade. So atypical of what you'd see in a scorsese film. And then you've got Anthony Hopkins for the two popes good luck trying to decipher for a winner out of those five. Who Do you have right now for the Globes and do you think it'll be those five for the Oscars? So that means Shiloh buffets left out honey boy and I thought he might get in there and Willem dafoe gets left out for the lighthouse and Song Ho who just won the L. A.. Film critics gets left out for parasite US you know. We don't know how it's been all sort out I've got Brad Pitt. At the moment it feels like his time. It feels like to me George Clooney kind of a situation. And where Clooney was up that year that he won for supporting or Also for directing and producing denied and. Good luck so like a good year. Brad doesn't have any. He's not involved in the producer side of once upon a crime. But that's where one is. Only Oscar was producing twelve years a slave. He said several acting nominations. And there's never one when I find interesting about this category you reading off those names other than Joe. Patchy they're all really leads most of their career And they're almost leads in these movies You can make a case that they are supporting according the person that is the lead exit supporting Matthew Race Al Pacino Supporting Robert Deniro Rabbit supporting the Caprio Anthony Hopkins and Jonathan Brice. Basically totally but I do understand why they're in supporting because they are a tiny bit less Onscreen then And and and board it to the story line than the other people just mentioned I think is probably going to be Brad or Al Pacino Albertino Albertino worst nightmare. Where's that Joe? Patchy start winning these critics awards because if he has you can you can overcome vote splitting splitting within your own movie or your own. TV show when you're the obvious. When you're the obvious person like Peter Always beats the other. Men On our thrones But it's much harder if the voters can't decide between the two they're hearing you'll pay she's winning all these critics awards but al Pacino got the bigger role. They're not sure what to do. And then suddenly Brad Pitt comes up the middle. He wins the thing. So that's going to be very very interesting but right now you would think it's a little bit ahead of Pacino. That's interesting but you're right. I do agree. The Pacheco Pass. You could split the vote that could make things very very very dicey there. I'm not going to focus on the TV stuff for the Globes. Chris but I did think it was interesting. The morning show appear to get a little bit of buzz. I mean. I don't know how many people are watching an apple. Plus I heard the show isn't great but appears Jennifer Aniston's really good Nitsa. Her Reese Witherspoon get nominated other than that you know you get your Russian dolls and Obviously shows that have been already rewarded boarded by certainly the emmys like fleabag and Berry and such I do WanNa sound was happy to see Romney Yousef breakthrough. He was nominated for that show Rami. I think he's GonNa Wind. He's up against Hater and Paul Ryan and Michael Douglass but I normally decry the Globes and I think they miss it a lot but I was really happy to see Romney Yousef nomination. Not sure if you have any intel on what happened there. But he's up for best performance by actress TV series music or comedy actually do about three days before the nominations. I've moved him into my pets. I was one of the only ones but then I kept hearing In response to go we talked about Glo. Voters you know with with the film. Will we hear things from them to On the TV side. It's really not directly from them. They don't WanNa give away their votes but they can't help just like you can't talk about your favorite stop that year and I kept hearing over and over. Oh look how Karami in in Comedy actor and so I moved to man thinking. Well I'm not. I'm hearing this from people that are they don't have really a horse in the race. You know so No like I was hearing it from Hulu themselves so I moved to man and Lo and behold he got out so my Intel is track. Let's see I was happy to see that last one here. As far as the major categories supporting actress. I walked out of marriage when I saw the New York Film Festival and I said Well Laura dern turns GonNa win an Academy Award. She was tremendous playing the divorce lawyer. Good category though Jaylo for Hustler's Margot Robbie Bombshell Kathy Bates Richard Jewel which appears to be ignored except for Kathy Bates and Annette Benning for the report. Here's an example your Taco earlier close so a couple of movies with the report and Richard Jewel which appears these are the the lone bright spots and that banning and Kathy Bates. It's been I feel like it's Laura dern although the Globes Chris as you know they love their stars maybe Jaylo wins the Golden Globe but Laura dern Wednesay Oscar exactly. What I'm I'm thinking is going to happen? I think Laura GonNa win most of the awards leading up. which is you know most most of the time at the Oscars? We kind of know who's GonNa win. It'll say three out of four acting races based on everything leading up In this case though when you are making your globe predictions always think about. Who Do you imagine these eighty something people most Wanna see on stage and I think they most want to see Jennifer Lopez onstage? Laura Burn just one two years ago for big. Little is just a couple of years before that she went lightened on HBO. There's not a great even if they love that performance. There's not a great great overwhelming. Need to give her another one right away. J. Lo got her first ever globe nomination for ever movie Selena back over. What was that twenty something years ago? So it's been a long long time and she's never one one. That's I think it's GonNa win the globe. That's interesting it's obviously going to be really funny. You're and obviously all these prognostications are always so much fun I just did a personal Chris like you said with Gold Derby Dot Com. You are putting together. What you feel is going to happen by talking to voters etc your personal personal favorite films this year? If you WANNA give us your favorite top five films of this year. What would they be? I will sit down and do an extra list at some point I've been I've been going to so many events and screenings. I haven't done this yet but I have no particular order I would say I loved the nineteen seventeen There's a self candidate before you there. On director San Mendez. What he does with this continuous long one? What seems like one take movie is amazing as twenty year anniversary of him winning Oscar for American beauty. I loved marriage story. I loved one time I loved little women and I love the Irishman. Say those five are right. It's going to be right at the top of my list at the end of the year. I I love all those movies definitely heavyweights and this week my loan. I've gone through my own screener so I'm gonNA nocco nineteen seventeen women this week. I agree with the one I loved what they did with. Avengers in game was close to impossible. take story. They've been building for twenty years. Make it work work. Give every character moment or two and make you feel good leaving the theater. I I would love. It's GonNa be a producers guild. I guarantee you that happening the top movie of the year. I don't think it's going to get into best picture the Oscars but it should get a lot of technical nominations. That would be my top five. I think for the year. Thank goodness vendors in there as well How much do I have to bribe you and Tom to get back on the site? What Waco can I make an offer? He can't refuse Chris to get back in the good graces. Oh Oh Well it's going to be Tom. I'm sure he is thinking about that. I don't ever know what he's thinking for certain things. Your your center is so popular. I will remind him again that we need to get you back in there. I appreciate. You're a good man. Chris speech as always as a tremendous job. Goalby DOT COM. It is the best place to see all the predictions as they happen. As you heard Chris say talks to voters Him and Tom O'Neil Corser are are so tied into this and It's going to make some money man as you and I both sports fans. We know that those audiences dovetail sports and movies and they come together. So I'm sure there'll be a few surprises here there's we go but Great stuff breaking it down and I will of course check out the site and we're appreciative. Time Okay thank you Mount Rushmore all right. JP Murrieta longtime listener CINNA. FILE WAMI to Mount Rushmore. One word titles. This is insane. This is the best or worst. Did you ever had so many movies. Only one word and this is. I don't want you if you do this to us like I'm going to do thirty male Russia's to make this happen. I'm just thinking this listen. I'm baffled but just for fun. What the hell here we go Casablanca Blanquita of course a classic Michael Critique Film? We'll always have Paris Louis. I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. Bogart Bergman you've got Claude rains epic epic screenplay which is being changed by the Epstein brothers. David it's amazing Fargo at the helm the CONROE. There's in here okay. There's a lot of these Fargo as Gene Siskel said and that AH GENE CISCO WAAS frigging five thousand movies life while we know he was like honestly I would watch Fargo in my top watch at once a week. I'll put in Fargo in their goodfellas. Would fellows no brainer. Obviously with my favorite all time and I'll put vertigo as well Longtime Listener Sinophile. Now Much I love Vertigo. I've talked about that film. I get a hitchcock in there but honestly I'm GONNA GO Casablanca. Fargo Goodfellas Vertigo. Although Lou wanted to airplane in there I'm a meeting space balls tootsie rushmore scarface. Our face raw chaman. It's insane Joe. How the hell are you gonNA do? This what's your mail rushmore. Nearly impossible I. It's so hard to choose but I'm GONNA go with breath. Rocky Psycho is well instead of Vertigo gotta get hitchcock in there and Amadeus Best Picture. Nineteen eighty eighty. Four is when it came out and then the movie Dr Two Thousand Eleven Mile. Gosh love it. Love it when I walked out of there. I almost tweeted out in text. Everyone I know is like this might be the perfect movie we can stop. We can stop now. We don't have to make any. Wow Yeah I'M GONNA upset. You know I thought it was okay. I wasn't crazy about it. I that was good a to what I loved about it. Absolute Albert Brooks. I was so upset when he didn't get now. I wanted to get nominated for best supporting actor. I thought he was tremendous night. Movie right definitely but right. I mean still trainspotting jaws I wanted to include Fargo Batman. You have a bunch of Great Disney animated movies like bandaids in their nose to metropolis misery. How can you choose? It's insane. This was a tough one but gives them ideas. That's what we should do for Mount Rushmore Sinophile pod or Adnan as for now it's time for the second episode ever of total recall and Joe Stand up is on the way total recall all right. Thanks so much. I don't know the name off the top. If somebody did tweet me into the hat loved the total recall save McKay do one thousand nine hundred or two thousand four so I took your advice. Thank you you're gonNA tweet me again. I'll mention him next time. But nine hundred ninety nine indeed is when you want me to do so. Let's do it and as soon as I saw a year ago nine. You're doing it because that was your course. Shakespeare in love won best picture which was an atrocity. A should have been any of these other movies. Elizabeth Elizabeth Life is Beautiful Saving Private Ryan or the thin red line I would go with. Life is beautiful. I know it's a little bit Sentimental but I think it's a beautifully made film It's touching and heartbreaking. And I love it. I know the answer should be saving private Ryan although I do like the thin red line up very poetic but I'm going to go with life. He's beautiful should have won. Best picture how about you Elizabeth. You know I'm actually going to go with saving private Ryan I really like the Tom. Hanks carries the movie. The only ridiculous part of the movie is when they're storm in the beach and one of the soldiers it gets his arm blown off so he searches for his arm. Picks it up and then continues to storm the beach which makes no sense. I guess in the moment I do remember that seat director. Listen to spill one. I don't know how you can go against him. Because he's you mentioned that I fifteen minutes is just incredible cinema. It was up against Peter Weird for the Truman show. Joe Ameri was known for witness terrence than Red Line again it was very Malik Film. John Madden Shakespeare. Love come on get out of here and beneath for life is beautiful no is awesome. Maybe I should argue Bernini for director and something they even buy. Rhonda's picture bugging go the other way I'm GonNa get a life is beautiful best picture and Director Spielberg for Saving Private Ryan. You agree on Spielberg. I'm assuming yeah agreeance against Phil Berg I mean I. Yeah I have no complaints there I would go spielberg best-actor again. I love Panini but I would have gone with Nick. Nolte he was unbelievable was Wade Whitehouse in affliction performance of his life. It was incredible the other nominees. Tom Hanks for saving private Ryan. In mcallen for Gods and monsters as James Wale Edward Norton American History X. We're watching that movie right Derek Vinyard. He was incredible in that movie but any one for life is beautiful which I was very happy. Books Do Benin I love that film I just said I think it should have won best picture. When it should have been Nick Nolte for affliction? He was unreal in that move. I'M GONNA Tom Hanks Against Saving Private Ryan. I'm going to sweep this year. For Nineteen Ninety. Nine best actress was going with politics. I don't think an issue with that although I did love Meryl Streep and one truth thing playing a woman dying of cancer for one who does so many different rules and accents and impressions nations. I mean that was quote going simple. You're just playing an all American woman. Dying of Cancer Really Beautiful Film. I Call Franklin directed. He's really good devil blue dress. He's done of course. I William hurt playing your husband watching also dominate for Hilary and Jackie Fernanda Montenegro for central station. That's right that foreign film really good k plan Jeffer- Elizabeth but I have no issue with this fine fine I don't WanNa get milk for so many Oscars but what are you waiting for Shakespeare in love. I've no major issues with this you now. I'm completely fine with this. I love during that movie to the movies. Also kind of a guilty pleasure for me so yeah I'm fine with Guan Voucher Linen supporting actor. They got it right James. Kobe won for affliction. It was unbelievable as Glen. Whitehouse eight house pop abusive alcoholic vicious and of course coburn is legendary actors last great chance to win an Oscar and he rightfully won although really good category divall for a civil action. Action should have been nominated for best actor for the apostle the previous years. They nominate Mir's Jerome and Harris the Truman show your first tooth as Kristof. Geoffrey Rush Shakespeare in love. And so you know this is what I might now. It's fine I'll stick with covert but I did love Billy Bob Thornton. A simple plan nominated as Jacob Mitchell supporting actor the dim dense brother but just just heartbreaking when the ends up dying. Yeah I think I'm going to go with Billy Bob Thornton. Maybe Ed Harris but as I look this over I kinda shocked that Jim Carey wasn't nominated nate for best actor that year. You're right could call Joe. That was a huge glaring omission. That you're who have taken off then I would have taken off. That's tough in mckellen. Yeah sorry see her serene supporting actress. Judi dench one. I believe she's in the movie. I want to twelve minutes. Might have been a record. Maybe eight minutes I believe the records beatrice straight for network supporting actress. I think she's in five minutes and forty seconds just an unbelievable speech that she gives to William Holden. I think Judi dench's either in Shakespeare in love eight eight minutes twelve minutes. I'm GONNA say eight some about her winning it. He's either going to be Kathy Bates. Primary Colors Brenda blethyn little voice. Rachel Griffiths Hilary and Jackie Lynn. Redgrave Gods and monsters. You know I didn't see a lot of those movies. So what the Hell Judi dench wins. Yeah I didn't see a lot of them either but I'll go Kathy Bates 'cause I love Kathy Bates done best screenplay original Shakespeare in love. No chance come on Mark Norman. Tom stoppard stopper very famous playwright. Other nominees Bulworth but of a misfire from Warren Beatty was nominated for an Oscar. Life is beautiful. I Love Saving Private Ryan Robert Road Dot the Truman show. I would go with the Truman show very inventive. Stray from Andrew. Nicol to me. That's a pretty clear sky. Should one that definitely for original screenplay I agree and lastly before we get to Joe standup screenplay based on material previously produced or published went to Gods and monsters bill condon other nominees out of sight. We know what Ben Mankiewicz while he loves that movie primary colors a simple plan. The thin red line it come on simple plants Skopje Smith that's an amazing screenplay and the book. I'm sure he's just as good but it was from the same guy so I wrote a book then I'd have to the screenplay Skopje's mission to one per simple plan. Yeah I'll go with a simple plan as well. Yeah I'm the next. NFL WE'RE GONNA have a screeners all over the place here. Is Chris. Beecham says you get them lined up at your Organiz. What's the most important so I got a lot of kids so knives? This is like the fourth different Tom. I'M GONNA try to watch it. I watch ten minutes here ten minutes. I'm going to get through it. It's okay so I'm going to be honest. I'm a little bit. underwhelmed my buddy russillo hated it. So maybe he's poisoning me and everyone else their loved the movie but I'm GonNa Watch knives out. That's next week. One thousand nine hundred nineteen absolute getting that done salmon these little women. My wife wants to watch. That'll be on the next podcast. So all that coming up we leave you with something great here and please do give it some love. 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Beautiful Boy with Felix Van Groeningen and Mike Mills (Ep. 166)

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Beautiful Boy with Felix Van Groeningen and Mike Mills (Ep. 166)

"Hello, and thanks for tuning in to another episode of the director's cut brought to you by the directors guild America between today's top director sharing behind the scene stories of the latest films and insights into the crack of directing please take a second to subscribe to our podcast on itunes or wherever you get your podcasts. This episode takes us behind the scenes of director Felix Ben grown against new family drama, utilize. Based on the pair of memoirs by father and son, David and Nick, chef the film chronicles. The heartbreak experienced by family coping with addiction over many years, including survival relapse and recovery. In addition to beautiful boy, Mr. van grown agains credits include the feature films Belgiu and the broken circle breakdown. Following a recent screening of the film at the DJ theater in Los Angeles, Mr. van grown, again spoke with director, Mike mills about filming youthful boy during their conversation, Mr. van Branagan, discusses the challenges of shooting his first English language film, transforming the story into more of an experience through his portrayal of time and making the songs on the soundtrack function as the score. Hello everyone. Thanks much for staying for the QNA and Felix thanks for reaching out to me, a very honored to be here. I'll try to get a conversation going, maybe we'll reach out in the middle for some questions here. And there so generate questions. In your mind. We watched a little bit of the together just now and to my favorite most beautiful shots, the one where he sees in the and the bathroom that mazing horizontality and the light and the way falls down on the light everything about it. I felt like surmised your film to me. And it's like this lack of control of ourselves and between the people we love and the paradox of that relationship between the father and the son like I'm a dad, so close interwoven and yet alone yet things I can't know things they can't reach through. Right. That really kill me that part. I know that you have a special relationship with a real people behind this film. Can you talk a little bit about that whole process or how you came to this material and how I learned a little bit today about you have a relationship with them, which is kind of amazing to me. Yes. So I was pitched to me. But but but just the books so I was part of riding the we developed a whole. This project. So, but the producers had the rights to the books, and they talked to me about it. I was really intrigued. Very early on. I met with David David Nick DD on those two memoirs of the same of Nick's addiction from the father, and the sense perspective that you and you guys. Found a way to blend. Yeah. Correct. Which was a long journey because it's it's two books. It's a lot of material. They do reference the same things on a couple of the same events occur in both books. But, but they are really two points of view, which was what made it so unique and reading those Moore's made me. It was really an eye opener in in how we look upon addiction still as a moral failure. And I I've I've seen addiction from nearby. My family. Also saw that my family didn't have to deal with it. And and so I was very impact inside. But but from the beginning really clicked with Nick they had seen a film that had made broken circle breakdown, which was also high metre producers because film was Oscar nominated in two thousand fourteen. And they they they thought it really my style really matched with with their story and their sensibility. So they gave me a lot of trust. But twelve to process I kept getting in touch with them. I went over to Dave's house in county. He invited me stayed a couple of days. We went for long, walks and talks, we had long talks. And so, yeah, I really got to be part of this amazing family and by opening up the daily out move to become so more more attentive. I feel because. Yeah. Little things like the artwork you see Cairns. Art the journal that was drawn journalists see that David watches. Knicks artwork is drawn by Knicks. Little brother Jasper. So all those things really mattered. I feel but also just getting to know I'm getting to feel the love that that is is amazing in their family. And I got to be part of it. And they're I I actually brought the whole crew then a second time when I went to second to their house brought the whole crew. So they'll got to feel this and see this amazing that they trusted you so much with something so vulnerable like life and death, really? Anyone wanna ask a question about the how related to the material Darren here that toughest thing about directing that surprise? It's supposed to specifically this movie or quick in this movie, gentlemen, asked what was the toughest thing about directing that surprised Felix? Good question. I. This is my first English language, film, bigger budget, also, and and I guess the stress that came with that especially in the leading up into propping this film. Because I have made five films in Belgium, but was used to working with always the same crew. Although for this film, I did bring my and my editor. But had a whole new crew that I had to get around me. And I'm I'm sort of a very. Fateful director in Belgium last three films was like exact same crew. So I need to feel comfortable I think, but but I took time to make this film and to make it mine to own it. I wrote it I. Spent years of really making it mine. And and so by the time, we got to shooting really I actually felt really comfortable and and. Had a great time. It didn't feel different compared to directing a film back in Belgium. The actors were amazing. So to whole actually the whole shoot was was wasn't working depart because it's tough subject, but it so much love and that occasion from the whole crew and focused. Steve Carell is super focused actor. So it was amazing seem work between takes would constantly talk about the subject matter. So all of that one really amazing. I can't think of things that were hard actually. I love how you treat time in your film, your film fabric, in the way it relates the time. Often you have the same characters in the same space, but it's a different time. And it's like a different relationship. Really? I thought I was such an interesting way to talk about what's happening in the story where you have someone, but they're also not there. There's someone who's there, and maybe gone or changed are different. And I love how time wasn't like singular. It's sort of interwoven with different pass not just one pass off and a couple of different layers of past couple layers of net. Character how did you develop that? It's something that if you've seen my previous movies. I. BMI editor we sort of. Have been doing it for a while. So it's it's it's a part of film grammar that I think is very fascinating. How far you can go in in creating this logic inside of film that makes sense though. Like, if you would that's the thing. I think if you do it on paper, it doesn't make sense. So it is something that at the heart is is is is constructed sort of in the script I feel, but but executed in while editing because you got to have the ID's you gotta have the idea of those flashbacks going back in time. So seeing the younger neck. And how they work. David's psychology. So he's as he's losing a son. Here's thinking about their special moments or or the promises he made or or he's also examining where did I go wrong. So that ide- existed from the very beginning. I knew we needed it to make this film work to make this film an experience instead of just the story. But while crafting it in and the. In the script face. You do make it more cerebral, and you have to be able to hold onto something. And then. Shoot it that way, of course. And and the ad. We see the first cut. You think it's horrible. And and then you have to sort of let go what you taught you had come to an and find emotional logic of the film. And and that there's a lot of feel expository things that you that you that that you realize that you don't need an an and. An embrace the magic along the way and have very close collaboration with my attitude or who's done of my films. It's just a shared passion like to see how far can we take this to me? It makes it it's like the most cinematic parts of the film to where it's like something that could be only told in the state of film, like I'm like me told and time can only be told what these visual chunks that you're sort of presenting and very different than anything that could be written starts from written place. There's another some of my favorite parts deceased kind of waiting passages often whether while Nick is disappeared and they're waiting. There's one about fifty minutes in and that's one about eighty five minutes where that sunrise sunset is playing and ends that amazing shot of the sprinkler. You return to the sprinkler? And this time it's empty of life. And there's no forward motion. But there's I feel like your your your direct to'real qualities really floors on those moments because I'm getting such a sense of life, and what's happening. And I'm not being forced to think anything and reminds me all the time. I waited for someone like an ICU or something and was just very strong. Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm also really proud of that section and. Also it lands there. Then you have all these shots of the house. And it's it is. The house you live in through this film. And it's this little paradise that David tried to create first family like a safe haven. Anna come so haunted in the sense. And you know, it's it's one of the things when I read the books that that struck me was how addiction seeped into every fiber of family life and. This through the house was a way of trying to recreate this feeling to the depiction of the house, and then eventually leads up to Nick breaking into the house. Yeah. That's true. To me. It kind of seemed like the structure of the film is sort of like intoxicated by relapse itself. Kind of things repeated history repeated but also for motion wasn't super important, or it's kind of like made me distrust it like you would and and recovery, you know, it's like one day at a time or you just don't know. What's going to happen next is another questions have something? I'd like to bring the conversation. Yeah. And the back the question is Felix mentioned addiction and personal way something and did that inform. The work that help him with the material. It really dedicate it I think to tell the story. Realizing that we have family didn't have the tools, and then seeing or learning about this family that that also does that things that that things that they have the tools, but but you also see them go through this journey on and realize that there are too easy answers. Was just revelatory. I guess in. Made me feel. That I had missed opportunities to try and help people. So sort of like then during doing it to this film is the way to make up maybe or. Yeah. But yeah, I've seen I've seen my father had a bar. I've seen a lot happened there. There's really close people who are family that were acted to heroin and really messed up, and it it's I've talked about it in previous films. So something is always like pulling me to try and understand what you know, what people pulls into those dark moments. Come explain. Why actually but? Shift gears a little bit. How do you? I very taken by your compositions and just the very organic feeling of your your shot construction away as seen was put together Miami a little bit of like Jane Campion who I- door or just the coverage isn't like exactly what you spec. One might be very profile might be straight on. How'd you come up with their coverage? How do you how do you develop the scene visually? Every film is has that I make has a very different approach. I feel. I've done quite some handheld and. And wilder stuff than this. But for this firm. You know, I. I want it to be truthful and simple, but layered. But what does that mean? I don't know is it just a it was a starting point. I guess and you still have to find your own style. Or or have this film, find its own style. And and at. What I like to do is I rehearse what my actors. And Ruben mighty p people people be there. And shoot stuff for try stuff. Or we will have rehearsals that the actual already. To get to know location and really sorta. Usually a couple of ideas from the beginning. But then it's really by taking the time to figure it out on the on the moment itself. But not in the not in the simple will wing it way. But but really work hard in in prep to get there. The shot you mentioned. When when they when they is on the bathroom floor. Yeah. We we had we had the bathroom that was signed on stage. It was built really spent like a couple of it was the first scene. We had we shop actually the film. Yeah. So pretty. Crazy also to start without seeing. But but in hindsight good also. Performance from. Yeah. Amazing. So, but we spent hours in that bathroom with Demi and virus ourselves like figuring like all the angles. What can we do? And all of a sudden, it was like Dessus, so mazing and. Composition just two ways laying there. How he peers and disappears in this like also carphone almost so. Yeah. That coffin sort of heavenly coffin. So I mean, this was the film where we wanted to just spend a lot of time on detail without it being a showy, I guess felt very authentic in a way felt very fresh and override which I appreciate it, especially for the material being dramatic. And there's so many ways that like the film really flourished, and he's kind of non define moments. Very simple moments, even when the CPR and the car such dramatic scene. But somehow it's like very. You're not like pushed into this in. Maybe it's partly Timothy's state. He's in even one or the other really gorgeous shots where you boom up into that window where the fathers helping him walk down that long hallway. This the way that up. The the lines in the glass and everything such Marshall same, but really very gentle. And I really appreciate it that kind of respect. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I think the way we got there. I talked about and and it's. It's making films journey. I feel. I love embracing like what you what you whatever crosses your Pat being open to it and taking it along to make the film the best possible. Phil. Sometime, you know, accidents happen, and and and and they can really like make your fill the the last of the movie divine. We actually had a different place or we're going to shoot. We haven't. The final moment aid. Couldn't happen. So we I'm really happy with them on may sense. We we had it. We loved it for very different reasons. It's one, and okay, we have to find a new, and we saw we saw this wall of as we were just walking around. I was just like this is it this is and just like that seeing it and realizing like this is it is just such a great part of filmmaking. I really I really surprised by that choice. It's like your final shot on the film really being like, they're stuck in the shade. Tuck back in really, very flat away. But the find is sort of like talking to the chaos or the lack of control that seem to keep coming up in the fell. I'm getting the not only have a little bit of times. Anyone else have a question? You didn't get to ask when you. So the question was he has five different at least five fif- like actress playing neck and how to do pull that off and. Just having great casting directors Zuma. An and have them like casts a lot of kids. And being lucky. I got I mean, Jack Dillon Grazer who plays twelve year old Nick he was also in movie it so he's done some films. But I just seeing the photo and holding next to Timothy's and then seeing like this mazing, but in general, I also really enjoy working with kids. It's. It's it's for me. It's not that different as working with an actor. Of course. It's very different level. But it's also just about agreeing. Certain language that you have to find. And a way to get there. So yeah, I really love. I think I was really lucky with some of the kids that showed up to. So someone asks what was the hardest part was what's the part that like makes you happiest and the hall directing process. Satisfied. The fact that it's everyday is like. Like a challenge. Like, there's always something that will go not us plan. And then and then how how do you make it work? Getting there. I guess you do always get there at the end of the I feel you usually not always. But but. Yeah. Having a scene. Like didn't rehearsals, and you were going to get somewhere on your shooting, and it's not work. And all of a sudden, you know. Come up with this idea. What if you try this or or actor comes when idea, and you embrace it, and it starts to work and under just crying behind your monitor? That's what I wanna do everyday. Is anyone there was a question in the back there? So she asked him at the scorched repudiated. And especially the first scene where was silent. And then when he's looking for the sun, you go to the I think it's a set of nirvana track. Got very loud. Very very intense piece. Yeah. Well, so d-. Yeah. There's only there's no score. There's only existing music that we start to use us core somehow and. It was also process. It was always it was inspired by the books. I knew I always wanted to work with a very eclectic soundtrack of existing songs. Although I taught and for while I also did in post production work with a composer and had a soundtrack. So but decide of the collective music founded sway into the script writing and into scenes that that. That are in the movie with nirvana indeed were David Nick are rocking out in the car and David singing beautiful boy for. Lullaby for little Nick. An answer in the process of the added thing we're adding songs that we had a couple of songs and some score and. It was okay. But it was involved enough. And it was. It was my editor who like suggested or pushed me rod to try and give the chance to do it without the score to throw the score out. And to go boulder in music choices, and that started to really work because. It forced us to yet. Turn songs into score. But there were there were connected to two characters on every level because they knew they. Today there were into music, Dave, it's rock journalists. He. Did you see that there? That's shared passion. So it made sense for who they are. And also the way the movies built and flows through time and works. Malakula quiet, sometimes and and works Tway memory works. So it it became the soundtrack of their life, actually. And then and. Yeah. Just songs that are that really can play out for like seven minutes. And and become score is something that we haven't seen really before this way and thought was really worked really well. Worked beautifully. I think I'm getting the signal. Okay. Thank you so much for the beautiful. Thank you, Mike as really gorgeous. Thank you. Thanks for coming. Tonight. Thanks for listening to another DJ QNA if you'd like to hear more you can find past episodes of the director's cut wherever you listen to podcasts. We'll have a lot more for you in the coming weeks as word season protest, including human as from Paul Greengrass, George Tillman junior and Joel Edgerton. So be sure to subscribe. So you don't miss naps owed. If you're enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to write in review us. I tunes. We'd love to hear your feedback. You can help fellow Sinophile find the show thanks again for listening, and we'll see you next time. This podcast is produced by the directors guild with America music is Dan Wally.

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This Poet Never Gets Old

Poetry Off The Shelf

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

This Poet Never Gets Old

"The. This is poetry off the shelf from the poetry foundation. I'm Curtis FOX this week, this it never gets old. I think we're going to hear a lot more about John Keats in the spring of eighteen nineteen almost two hundred years ago, the young English romantic poet wrote his six famous oats owed to agree. She earned to indolence melancholy. Oh, do Nightingale an OD psyche. It remains one of the greatest explosions of lyric genius in literary history. Keats was only twenty four and he would die year later on this podcast. We're gonna hear some shorter poems Keats route, and I'm joined by Benjamin Voight, Ben wrote a primer for our website, John Keats one oh one it's called and he joins me now from Callister college where he teaches high Ben high. So John Keats is one of the most famous poets in the English language. He probably ranks right up close to Shakespeare. But I have an awkward question to put to. Oh boy. Yeah. In twenty eighteen with our world in crisis, ecologically implictly. Why should we re John Keats? Make the case for reading him today. If you would the case for Keats. Yeah. I think there are many reasons to read the namely just sort of his absorption by the culture means that his sort of ideas, and sort of romanticism 's kind of influence, generals everywhere. But in particular, I think I think is idea of negative capability comes up a lot insult of poetic discourse. But also sort of more broad cultural ones. It comes up everywhere. I've seen it in political discussions just pops up regularly these negative capability. Explain what it is a bit for us. So I actually have the letter here were he said of defines it, and it's a funny term because it is. So so broadly sort of used now, but he kind of just coined it and passing in a letter to his brother's us just like a basically a sentence in that letter. It's been taken up and all kinds of ways. So if you allow male just all read that and then can talk about it a little bit too. Yeah. In this letter. He's talking about a conversation disquisition that he had with a friend of his and he talks about several things dove tailing in his mind. And then struck by this this idea the quality that went to form a man of achievement. Especially in literature in which Shakespeare possessed so enormously. I mean, negative capability that is when man is capable of being in uncertainties mysteries doubts without any irritable. Reaching after fact and reason we live at a time of tons of uncertainty serious uncertainty about you know, politics sort of ecology, and so the capability of kind of living in that condition. Not so succumbing to it. And and not sort of presupposing are kind of own ideas about what those uncertainties might be without resorting to political rhetoric without leaning on old ideas received ideas of different kinds, rather sort of being receptive to the challenges that the doubts mysteries that he's talking about here, and sort of sorting through them sitting with them an poetry sort of dealing with there. Sort of emotional aspect. Yeah. To me. It seems poetry is the perfect vehicle for for negative capability of holding a lot of things in one's mind at the same time. A lot of ambiguity a double meanings. A lot of feelings all packed into the same verbal space. And it seems to be also that reading poetry can be a good way to train the mind in negative capability. No, I think that's that's definitely true. And the the poems that were gonna look at today to sonnets. You see him sort of meditating on things that are sort of concerning to him mortality and art in different ways. Let's get to one of them. This is a sonnet called on seeing the Elga marbles and Ben to L marbles from the ancient Parthenon Athens now sit in the British Museum. But when Keats I saw them they had just been brought to England by Thomas. Bruce, seventh Earl of elegant that's correct. And he went and visited them at least once I think maybe several times with his friend the painter Benjamin Haydon. So it was a big deal when these marbles arrived in England, and they were just freshly arrived. That's a bit of background to the writing of the sun. But the Senate itself barely refers to the Elga marbles except in the title. What else would be good to know before we hear it? So he wrote this poem in eighteen seventeen believe it was sort of on the earlier end of his admittedly, very short career. But I don't think he himself was ill at the time. But he was someone who'd always been sort of worried about his own mortality. In part because of his family history. Father died when he was very young mother died when he was young he cared for people who had to brick Hilo sus death was more of a part of everyday life. And so I think that is probably informing those poem though, of course, as contemporary readers were sort of looking for sort of signs of his own understanding of his own demise or something like that. Yeah. That's kind of a resistible from open. Let's hear it. Our reader here in the studio with me is Cindy cats. My spirit is too weak mortality weighs heavily on me like unwilling sleep. And each imagined pinnacle and steep of godlike. Hardship tells me I must die like a sick eagle looking at the sky yet Tisza gentle luxury to weep that I have not the cloudy winds to keep fresh for the opening of the mornings, I such dim conceived glories of the brain bring round the heart and undescribable feud. So do these wonders most dizzy pain that mingles Grecian grandeur with the rude wasting of old time with a Bill. We main a son a shadow of a magnitude. That was unseen Elga marbles, and I'd like to go through this very short poem bit by bit. Cindy, can you read the first five lines again? My spirit is too weak mortality weighs heavily on me like unwilling sleep. And each imagined pinnacle and steep of godlike hardship tells me, I must die like a sick eagle looking at the sky, sir. The poet announces his either he's either sick or he's fearing his own death and feeling his oncoming death like sleep coming on. But what does he mean when he says each imagine pentacle and steep of godlike hardship tells me, I must die like a sick eagle looking at the sky. What do you do you read that? So it's a it's a strange series of lines that add up to kind of complex image. And wait, we end unlike sick eagle looking at the sky, which apparently originates in a belief held at the time that eagles could look at the sun directly without doing them any damage or something like that. But. Contemporary at goes of you know, eagle is being sort of keen though, he's sick eagle. And of course, again, we're retrospective. Look at we're going to think about his own sickness sickness of his family or whatnot. But I think we can read it less literally than than take sort of more from it that he's looking at this sculptural frieze, right? This this thing made marble he seeing a topographical map of hardship and his life to to to communist reminder that he's not going to survive. It certainly. Yeah. That's an odd response to the elegant marbles have to say perhaps because they're so ancient and the people that are modelled on are all dead feeling mortalities unclear why he has a strong sense mortality from images of the Elga marbles. It's true. It's it's a strange response. And he describes it later in the pump. Can we go to later? Let's let's go to the next three line. Senate can read this one full sentence yet Tisza gentle luxury to weep that I have not the cloudy wins to keep fresh for the opening of the mornings. I the mornings I seems to be the son, right? And he's comparing himself to the eagle is very absolves of the eagle or comparing himself to the sky itself that he doesn't feel as as the fresh as he would like to be his gentle luxury to weep. The we have that yet that sort of like turning the argument a little bit. He feels too weak. But it's a sort of luxury of his sort of a magin this this coming hardship and the his sort of mortality. Let's hear the six lunch for the palm where he basically puts the conflict right in front of us is internal conflict right in front of us such din conceived glories of the brain bring round the heart and undescribable feud. So do these wonders most dizzy pain that Mingo? Grecian grandeur with the rude wasting of old time with a Bill. We main a son a shadow of a magnitude. No, I have to confess that. I lose my lose the threat of this poem and those last six lines and hoping that you'll be able to explain it a little bit too to me, Ben, the brain and heart are sort of in conflict, the brain. I see that you know, he knows that he's going to die and the heart is the sort of position. Well, I don't want to die. I don't want to imagine myself in this vertiginous way. Dizzy way of being a historical subject found to time. That's that's temporal that is not going to last. And that's where I see this sort of central conflict of the poem that undescribable feud being on that knowledge of one's own death. Brought about by looking at something that's very old and very grand that how can I sort of measure up to this ancient thing the sort of like alien object when you know, I have to deal with us. He puts it here. The route wasting old time. Time then we talked about negative capability a few minutes ago. How would you identify the negative capability in this poem on seeing the Elga marbles, they give capability in this poem? I think is his attempt to navigate the sort of undescribable feud to reckon with that dizzy pain, his mortality that he understands a new way upon seeing these these ancient marble friezes, and I think this poem is an interesting one because it doesn't reach after some sort of neat. Tidy meaning some sort of conclusion. In fact, it does quite the opposite of crumbles at the end turns into a list of images that might express the sort of vast -ness of historical time of the of the poets or the is inability to understand the sublime. So do these wonders most doozy. Pain that mingles Grecian grandeur with the rude wasting of old time with a Bill. We main a son a shadow of a magnitude, you know, he describes negative capability as capability of not engaging in that when he calls irritable reaching after fact in reason, this is a poem that or where it's about expressing a certain amount of feeling and like thinking about that feeling articulating that feeling but not trying to dispel it necessarily let let's turn now to another sonnet, which may have been the last poem Keats ever wrote. It's called bright star. What can you tell us about? This palm Ben also on the this thinking a lot about mortality though, in a sort of less abstract way, less about once individual relationship with broad sort of sweep of time or one sort of capacity to make a lasting. Impression on history and more about mortality in terms of love and desire in the interest of staying on earth in a relationship. Give us a little biographical context of this was the probably the last poem have what was going on at this time. So this some kind of debate among scholars for what I recall about win the poems written eighteen eighteen eighteen nineteen somewhere in there could be the very, you know, could be one of these last poems that he wrote, but this is more towards the end of his life closer to it. Anyway. And when he was probably thinking about mortality in a more personal by Rafic away, yet he had Bricusse, and he probably saw that he was going to die of it. That's it. Cindy. Bright star would I were steadfast as thou art, not in lone splendour hung aloft the night and watching with a turtle bids apart like nature's patient sleepless era might the moving waters at their priest like task of pure blue Shen round earth's human shores or gazing on the new soft fallen mask of snow upon the mountains and the Moore's no yet still steadfast still unchangeable pillow upon my fair. Love's ripening breast to feel forever. It soft fault and swell awake. Forever in sweet unrest. Still still to hear her tender taken breath and so live ever or else. Swoon to death. So been there's the the duality of two things held an opposition in that last line to live forever or swoon to death, and it's kind of a hackneyed rhyme death in breath, but it works. I think especially when you consider that John Keats had to Berkeley. Yeah. And it's a surprise second half of that line sort of surprise thing to rhyme with because up until that point as you sort of observed the poem it's been about steadfastness. Right. And then suddenly we have a swimming to death at the end, maybe that's one of the ways in which earns that rhyme. So getting back to this idea of negative capability where do you see it in bright star? This palm. I see it as him sort of holding or thinking through what it would mean to be steadfast right to be unchangeable. He starts there. He for this wish that he's he sort of addressing to something unchangeable, the northstar maybe and then kind of realizing, well, no, I don't wanna be all of the things associated with that steadfastness. I don't want to be alone that they're that that certain amount. Of steadfastness on changeable nece would would require that certain ways would require a hermit like life or a priest lake devotion to purity and a partner in some ways being attornal. With would leave you alone in some ways, he decides that he doesn't want certain aspects of that. But would still like to be sort of enduring because it would mean that he would get to stay here on earth alongside his beloved and the poem the her of the poem possibly fanny brawn. And so he's thinking through like, what does it mean to to be with someone to be in a sort of romance win that romance is necessarily going to end, so he sort of wrestling with his throughout the poem? And I think he sort of finally through the poem perhaps leads to a certain amount of acceptance of the possibility of of death. Still still to hear her tender taken breath and so live ever or else swoon to death last line. And so live ever or else. Swoon to death, those two very different things. That's that's a demonstration of negative capability in one line. I would say it has this this dash mid line. Pause kind of gives them sort of equal weight. And I think he finally permits that idea of death is of enter the poem explicitly though, it's been in the background of it the whole time because he sort of a magin some of the costs of being eternal in what he'd sort of miss out on. If he really were like this bright star. If he really were that distant you can't have one without the other I sort of thanks. I think in this poem so bright star. Was the name of a movie about Kate's by Jane Campion a few years ago? Anybody see this? I did. But it's been a long time actually fairly recently, you send you happen to. Yeah. And and I haven't seen it. What what what what's been? Would you think of it? I enjoyed it. But I think I thought when it came out which is some time ago and send. Recently time with film. It's where you are. When you come to it. I was quite bored. It's a problem with them. You know, it's romantic it's beautiful. But when you the poets in film early so anemic. Kind of. A windy postal come off and film. Very very very well. I think in general so somebody is as archetypal is John Keats. I think that's quite a daring thing to take on. Okay. I said we weren't going to go into the odes, but several years ago, we courted the actor Michael stool bar reading owed on aggression earned and I thought we go out on that without commentary. So Ben, thanks so much. Thank you. Thanks. Andy. Now, here's Michael still bar reading owed on agreeing earned by John Keats thou- still on ravished bride of quietness thou foster child of silence and slow time. Sylvan historian who can't thus express a flowery tail more sweetly than our rhyme. What leaf fringed legend haunts about the shape of Dati's are mortals are of both in Tempe or the dales of Arkadi what men or gods are these what maidens lows what mad pursuit what struggle to escape what pipes and timbers what whiled ecstasy. Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard are sweeter. Therefore Ye solved pipes play on not to the sensual ear, but more endeared pipe to the spirit ditties of no tone, fair youth beneath the trees, thou cans, not Levi song nor ever can those trees be bear bold lover. Never never can thou kiss though winning near the goal yet. Do not grieve she cannot fade though, thou Hass, not thi- bliss forever without love and she be fair. Happy happy, bows, that cannot shed. Your leaves nor ever bid the spring adieu and happy Melodist on wearied forever piping songs forever. New. More happy love more happy. Happy love forever, warm and still to be enjoyed forever. Panting and forever young. Al- breathing human passion, far above that leaves a heart high sorrowful and Cloyd a burning forehead and a parting tongue. Who are these coming to the sacrifice to what green altar mysterious priest leader style that Heffer lowing the skies and all her silken flanks with garlands dressed what little town by river or seashore or mountain built with peaceful citadel is emptied of this folk this pious mourn and little towns, I streets forevermore will silent be and not a soul to tell. Why thou art desolate can air return? Oh, attic, shape, faire attitude with breed of marble, men and maidens overwrought with forest branches. And the trodden we'd thou silent form dust tease us out of thought as doth eternity cold pastoral. When old age show this generation wast, thou shalt remain in midst of other whoa than ours. A friend to man to whom thou saisd beauty is truth truth, beauty that is all Ye know on earth, and all you need to know. That was owed agreement earned by John Keats. Read by Michael stool bark. You can read Benjamin voids John Keats one on our website where you'll find other primers. He's written and thousands of poems. We love getting emails with your comments. Suggestions, Email us a podcast at poetry foundation dot org. The theme music for this program comes from the Claudia quintet propo- off the shelf. I'm Curtis FOX. Thanks for listening.

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The Curdling Affair in Syria

Slate's The Gist

32:41 min | 10 months ago

The Curdling Affair in Syria

"Hi this is Mike pesca host of the gist an ad supported podcast don't believe me listen to this from Connecticut to California Mississippi to Minnesota millions of American businesses are using Google tools to grow online the grow with Google Initiative supports small businesses by providing free digital skill workshops ugh but by a margin of five hundred or so votes Jackson's antidevelopment candidate won the mayor election now some of the coverage that I've read have talked about Jackson giving a lot of money but all of Andy Fosters outside donations added up to twenty seven fluence objects to a proposal he doesn't just say right I'd like you to go away. Now he says Biden was a quid pro quo so they've gone from that denial to now admitting that it was a quid pro quo but asserted is grow that's google dot com slash grow the following recording may or may not include instances of words being said that the sound like an American talking and indeed it wasn't here is New Zealand's TV One with the news den Hollywood swing it for new S. Andy Foster is now mayor of New Zealand's capital city Wellington after a famous and very wealthy hobbit handler got involved Peter Jackson and objected to a government plan or the old government's plan to develop waterfront area and when a man of Peter Jackson's fame and wealth and Jackson argued that this high density housing development would change the waterfront and was proposed without sufficient doug others derided his concerns which very much mirrored the critical reception to his film the Hobbit to the desolation of small thing that the important thing was that it wasn't a quid for a bad quo so the Latin on that would be quid pro malice quo here's it's a quid pro quo door anti-dam bidding or money will not flow I like it so it's not a quid pro quo or maybe it's more of a it's the gist I might ask. The White House has gone from denying that the deal with the Ukrainians to withhold aid in return for an investigation into Jonathan. Karl putting the idea to Mick Mulvaney let's be clear you just described is a quick Provo it is funding will not flow in less transparency he feared a beautiful visa would be lost and this was all much mirrored in the plot of the film Hobbit to the desolation of Smell Gordon used to command the dead to aid them in the defeat of the corsairs at number at the landings of Gondar Hello People I'm sure you've heard the songs because the elves of the third the investigation into the Democratic server happened as well we we do we do that all the time with foreign policy so just so you know see see would find me for their long arm could ever reach Thursday October seventeenth two thousand nineteen defied pro Bono quid pro quo are we at a Latin phrases yet how about no low contender which I'm sure someone will be pleading in this case but the idea of Wellington Mayor Andy Foster Thence acquistion being asked after any election upset which is saying the candidate bank spy director Sir Peter Jackson emerge victorious eyeing a quid pro quo in general has taken root for politicians far and wide like this denial nice such things quick quite wary that did not even thousand American dollars to twenty seven thousand dollars that's not exactly and derail and Durrell reinforced from the shards of Nar cell which career to talk about his new book inside the five sided box aged would always sing of this arrangement here their lyrics translated from scenario near Barters Heights hobbit go to mount doom where the from Connecticut to California from Mississippi to Minnesota Secretary of Defense is book would be interesting it's not so much Bang Bang it's more like I'd like a receipt for that Ash Carter former US secretary of Defense Barack Obama's final secretary of defense and he is out now with a really it's interesting how this book is interesting because it's interesting in ways that you wouldn't finger Donald Trump's always saying they might not have paid attention to but actually goes pretty far in describing the dysfunction that attends to our president but first he millions of American businesses are using google tools to grow online businesses like strider bikes in rapid city South Dakota are using tools like google could find her and Google ads to expand their reach and connect with more customers globally and more customers globally means that strider bikes can hire more boy back home in the US the grow with Google initiative is committed to helping American businesses like strider bikes used the web to grow that's why growth if Google provides free digital skills workshops and one on one coaching too small businesses in all fifty states helping them get online connect with new customer aw Ash Carter was the twenty fifth secretary of Defense in the Modern Defense Department he was President Barack Obama's far and work more productively learn more at Google dot com slash grow that's google dot com slash grow a workplace and how that workplace works largest institution in the world. Yeah as a matter of fact I was thinking I have read dozens two hundred on a monitoring a raid in Tora Bora and yours starts with procurement the procurement of the Joint Strike Final Secdef as they say his memoir is called inside the five sided box lessons from a lifetime of leadership in the Pentagon it's of books written by former military read a couple of written by former secretaries of defense and they always start the same way with a firefight on pinned down in case is that her husband was an officer who you wanted and you had to convince him and his wife not to retire to Florida so you could procure this aircraft but it's can I still call you secretary Carter Welcome yes yeah don't call it a memoir though no I'm don't it's not it's very much it's very much a book about doc fighter twelve pages in Bunny van veen let maybe yes so the point that you're writing about bunny Van van let and to me that that's what you wanted to emphasize because I guess we the public don't realize how much of the job that is well I wanted somebody who picked it up to realize this wasn't predecessors but the the reason to start the book inside the five sided box with procurement is just most people know that about seven hundred billion driven by issues of order efficiency You talk you compliment Barack Obama as being not only a smart person but the frazier uses ring he'd throw it was the fate of brave Frodo and such things quick quite on the show today I shall spiel about typical washing memoir that would either start with the firefighters you said or with I was born in Philadelphia you know or maybe even a firefight on is our and I thought that was good as any as a place to give them an idea of what the book was about and to their credit my publisher said that's why because apiece in life and death and at that level where you're you live in such a swirl the ability to keep your head straight and I did admire that in Brock Obama in dollars of their money is spent by the Pentagon they have an image many of them that some of its wasted beams on lots of its way right right toilets a purely legislative background need to learn to be an executive that doesn't come naturally served with some important and I was wondering if of the current crop of candidates some of whom you know well some of them have blurbs your book do you think any of them are orderly thinkers or do you and we as a department crave clarity and consistency and one of the things I found his secretary of Defense I had very little consistency that was a very good thing to do the big people running today so let's just think about him most people who have responsibility so we've had quite a variety in our history but we in that now large obviously almost all democratic student from my father at my wedding that I am to be on I I have been to a number of former secretary of Defense Tim Singer Bob Gates more good friends as well worry about the orderliness of any of the thinking yeah you may think order lead us as not very high human attribute but when it comes to matters of word legislators who have struggled with the managerial dimensions of executive role Barack Obama did pretty good job of making the transition maybe that was just because he was in the Senate all his policies but there would be a major difference on important issues like Russia in the Middle East and alliances most importantly I couldn't support decisions about defense a lot of people once they start read it Mike have the same response which is Geez I didn't know that's how it worked that's kind of interesting well it's clear from reading the book that you are. Ah Orderly thinker and had never thought about that before a quality to have in a leader and especially president but now I realize it's it's pretty officer for committing racist remarks hateful and divisive speech casual references to sexual assault and adultery and so on here's my question Jim Mattis who you write about difficulty getting people to do what I told them to do they needed to have that clarity and consistency and when I could reflect the president's clarin tired it's Bill Clinton's secretary of Yan's had occupied those three roles before no one else had been and it was an excellent secretary fans and you worked with him closely I he the largest institution because I was the number three guy than the number two guy in the number one guy so I had been in every corner had anyone done that before and one guy who was bill Perry who was yeah for a short time we didn't get to others have had no major executive responsibility all like the current president or even a public service off the Senate floor you're kissing town wouldn't believe with this president of that president did this is a book about how to run for him in the collegiality are you glad that he did that's someone decided to become the adult in the room well yeah. I'm grateful to Jimmy's an old friend of mine is their job is the most like the president's now on the current president you write in the book I couldn't accept a job offer from someone like president trump by no means do I disagree with on sudden impulse is important for people to hear above all I could not support administration characterized by repeated acts of offensive behavior like those I would fire an and slept next to on transcontinental flights on Bill Perry's plane you obviously hold them in high regard he came to a different conclusion beyond the respect and I think he served honorably in very different difficult circumstance he himself came to the conclusion the same conclusion I re- secondly you have to live with yourself and your own principles and your sense of Goat's good for America and in both of those cases I I don't wording the president or you're reasonably key can reasonably expect to immediately come into conflict with the president you're not helping him by taking that job to be effective in helping him be a good president or a better president and I certainly as I said in the book some of the things that are now talked about it United States calls you and offers you job that the only answer just give yes you have two reasons to take a job one is used to remember the domestic walkie But I guess my question is maybe Jim Mattis or some of the others look data it similarly as you did but said that there there were competing valances there were competing considerations and perhaps they said that you took your oath at to be Secretary of defense was the oath to the constitution and the country yes did was the president mentioned yes you have an obligation to to carry out the president's lawful orders but you're the you're first when you raise your hand it is to the Constitution of the United States and field that you're talking about there are few mayors and governors and they're the people if you think back in history who find it easiest transition help the president and you must take with the belief that you're going to actually be helpful to the present if you take it with the belief that all you're doing is checking the president or the court in the book and he says so his letter of resignation what I was saying there of it in the book is it is a myth that if the president myself so oh Jeez where to start I'll start with this a defense that was articulated for Donald Trump's policy ingenuous with the president of the United States so if you know you're going to end up in opposition and he saying we see how this President I've met him a few times on Oh no well but just looking from the outside in the environment I don't see how in gyms experience how to defeat by the way all enemies ex foreign and domestic I was when I was the top money spender ups and one on one coaching in all fifty states helping businesses get online connect with new customers and work more productively learn more at Google dot com the job you're right I can't really help the president that much carry out his agenda but what I can do is help the country by keeping the president from hurting the country every day in Washington as though everybody does them or it's okay or not okay with me and they're not going to be okay and my military could I ask you though when you if you WANNA call it that and now quote Senator Rand Paul is that they're only fifty troops laughed and at that point there's no way that fifty troops can thwart the Turkish army rolling I would think that might be respectable view I don't share it it's doomed to end yeah it is not being I knew what Donald Trump would be like as president as he himself says it's no fault to Jim Jim obviously eventually came to the view that it it's an hammer is to place a corner of the Pentagon they've never been which is the corner where we buy stuff and I was the so-called acquisition and what's your assessment of that defense will we we only had it was fifty special forces actually people back in Twenty fifteen when it all started who you come and help me and you know you're not coming in to help him that's something. I I I would think is dishonest now Jim's not dishonest he just didn't know none of it Ed he wasn't a letter says their views were and their styles were just too far apart and I'm more with Jim's views Morse and style found for me the Syrian Kurds and that they were willing to be era infantry in March on Raka member rocket was the so-called capital of the Calvi Alathea of Isis and Mike You Remember Twenty fifteen there were the orientation of Turkey toward the western camp that's not good for us because we're part of the western camp at the same time these Kurds were willing to fight for us if only we advise them and bring down the great tornado of our us because we don't stick with them right alliances help us it turns out as well as you know it's not just generosity do you might in support of that our intelligence are firepower logistics are advising and supercharge them they would get rid of Isis regional wound which has made him so erratic and hostile toward the West was really with the e u when yes and they did and we're a lot safer for it now if we walk away from them and Isis comes back Wheatley over yet isis will come back and we're going to have to do it all over again Mike to protect ourselves and next time nobody will go with Rickie was not admitted to the European Union that was an insult from which air to one has not recovered it is spread to NATO which is not think Turkey's ongoing membership of NATO is something we can or should question you should certainly question that we've been questioning it for the very beginning running because here's this Asian Middle Eastern country in a wood has been a European alliance but during the Soviet Union we which it will they're not all dead unfortunately and so some of them are being detained and some are still further down the Euphrates valley so it wasn't and to that extent I didn't think that they really had a card to play there but he is calling he aired on is calling into question on you can't have that stuff I'm supposed to protect you I'm your secretary defense and so these guys needed to be destroyed and they needed to be destroyed in Syria as well the European Union it is a military arm that has the United States Senate and we we began to have trouble with the Turkish with Turkey in the context of the alliance which we L. is in Iraq in Mosel in Iraq rocket in Syria and everywhere in between and we could do it ourselves but we found changed things in Syria I don't think he will he acts as if he may thro over the United States is his best friend and pick up Russia really Russia and I I said that the Turks I'd always say you're going to go buy their stuff you know our stuff is better you're going to count on them when you know you can count on us better can't stop them from doing it we need to stand strong for the things that we need to do to defend ourselves but it's not a good development and it's all air to one Ash Carter thought they had a important piece of real estate which is right between the Soviet Union in the Middle East yeah we had a friend yeah and that seemed like a good thing to have and so be it secretary of defense author of inside the five sided box lessons from a lifetime of leadership in the Pentagon I learned more about procurement they wanted to be part of NATO and they wanted to be part of the West now we have aired on an I've dealt with air to one He his never had in the past and that came from year to one now air to be as very radically he acts as though he's GonNa come in and change and because I learned so much I want to perhaps teach you something do you know what a cephalopod for is no I should set you shouldn't I don't know if you of airtankers than I ever thought I wanted to know and procurement of dogs if you like dogs that's in there to to really fascinating book and thanks for coming by thanks for having me I should maybe shut acephalous four is a figure who bears his own head of figure who carries his own hand all right I get the biology and the reason I found out about you know you spend a third of your life sleeping if you're lucky if you're getting the eight hours of sleep so you know what I say I say you should be comfortable in fact if you're not you might not depict mostly saints who carry their own heads have a conundrum where to put the halo do you put it on the head of where the head was so I thought beginning the eight hours of sleep so it's one of those statements that's dependent on the premise to execute the thesis yes I think that's thank Casper is asleep brand that makes expertly designed products to help you get your best rest one night at a time now when we say expertly you saw this episode is brought to you by Casper Sides Supportive Comfort for all kinds of bodies see not in the body shaming the original Casper mattress combines multiple supportive memory foams for letty sleep service with the right amount of sink and bounce it's breathable because sleeping cool at night regulating your body temperature will help you get trump asserting maybe they can work this out this is his great advice in so many international incidents after the Oval Office clip interesting above the stump or Dr Tawfik Hong Yeah I don't know there's no right answer I guess thank you so much terms and conditions apply from Syria Syria's not happy about it let them work it out well it's not about land 'cause you know who's on that land living on land defending the thath forementioned eight hours casper famously has free shipping and hassle free returns if you're not completely satisfied you can be that you heard he went before a greater gathering of the press and said something very similar we have a situation with Turkey is taking land I was looking up the life of Saint Denis notable south and I also found out that the artists sculptors off Turkey before it actually came as really confusing remember he tweeted as I have stated strongly before and just to reiterate if Turkey there trump is admitting he knew this slaughter would come and it did come thus rendering his tweet warning soldiers of totally safe they've got to work it out maybe they can do without finding serious protecting the Kurds that's good okay. Syria is not protecting the Kurds. The Kurds are getting killed Syria attempting to protect or aligning with the Kurds is not good they can't do it without fighting gest and using just a checkout again get a hundred dollars toward select mattresses by visiting Casper Dot com slash gist and using code gist at checkout imagery. Mimicry is the sincerest form of flattery. Am I saying your mattress flatters your curves no I'm saying it mimics your curves it doubt and why would he have that faith well I guess he thinks somewhere deep down that it would just make it easier for him and so if he says work it out it will work out so great sure of your purchase with Casper's hundred nights risk-free sleep on trial get one hundred dollars towards select mattresses by visiting Casper Dot com slash maybe it's naievety maybe it's just a somewhat genteel way for as far as trump knows gentility maybe it's a genteel way for him to see appeal and less than one thousand nine seconds yesterday Donald Trump uttered four lies or misleading statements each distinct each quite confused here let's play that clip betrayed them and also I'm using the past were because so many have been killed thank you Turks thank you trump and remember this is a situation that because trump losy ever portray himself as less than brilliant that trump is asserting that he totally foresaw he said and I will quote I'd said stupidly arguing with a monkey a hurricane but wait if you are so smart and you knew that it would happen why did you have to issue a condition and by saying trump has a stake trump steaks find cuts by putting forward the idea that in other situations that trump has skin in the game I of course of course not strategically brilliant or and yet the clause in that clip that clip with one lie every four point two five seconds to close I want to focus on is Donald nations on the Turkish border with Syria to be for the United States strategically brilliant our soldiers are out of there others other times he's advised two sides to work it out it came a few months ago as regards the Hong Kong protesters I hope it all works out for because it would help him and it would help him personally and still in those situations he is still as unskilled as to say anything but China and Hong Kong so let's be fair to Donald Trump let's be much fairer than he deserves donald trump's and isolationist you could see it doesn't really care if they work out of the I'm not a sucker when I say that there are situations when trump has skin in the game he is motivated to affect a favorable outcome fret based on the mere possibility that it might happen maybe the answer is that trump had faith that they could all work another hey guys work it out then there was another New York Times report this was about the tension between trump underlings Rudy Giuliani and rex tillerson back when Tillerson was second Oh president Erdogan's decision didn't surprise me because he's wanted to do that role into Syria for a long time all right let's let's consider this someone working specifically on impeachment outside the White House counsel's office was the White House counsel himself Pat Cellini according to three people involved in the discussions Zayn we are talking about how cleverly they mimic human curves and on the way not in the curve shaming way but a compliment I'm essentially washing my hands of the situation a ha- but I have found many other situations where it is obvious that trump has a stake in the outcome Terry of state tillerson couldn't believe what Yuliana was proposing because he had a client and he wanted the State Department to go easy or to just let off the hook this and it's the Kurds the Kurdish people the land has people on it people who were our allies and when I say who were our allies it is because we and it's all because he couldn't be all concerned with the details and also what his underlings lacking loyalty they make up for up to snus then UNCON- protesters work it out it doesn't care if the courage work it out so shouldn't we take his words hoping that they work it out as I don't know maybe it really is his hope was hiring trey goudy this was in the news a couple of days ago they needed an adviser for this impending impeachment accord from the Times among those generally concerned about Mister Mulvaney and Mr Sipalawini have repeatedly been at odds since the impeachment inquiry began with one disagreement about hiring an additional lawyer taking place in front of Mr Lapping maybe we let them pass as Gandalf said reasonable people over the years have said hey work it out smart people have hoped don't mean he has American interests at heart or the national credibility at heart or even something good for the American people at heart no be as a means of expressing support hard capable leaders sometimes have the forbearance to pull back and know that an instruction to work it out can name Rudy who is always hanging around the office again I will quote the New York Times rather than side with his secretary of State Mr Trump told them he has an easily distracted and overmatched figurehead he is not strong he is weak and when he asks or hopes or punts hey maybe they can work it out he is abdicating his duties and demonstrating to us once more the multifarious flavors of his incompetence maybe you guys could work it out all right. The New York Times reported on tension between Mick Mulvaney the chief of staff and the White House counsel Pat Simple any and the attacks in Paris these maniac shooting people running over people in Florida detonating bombs at the Boston marathon trump according to a person familiar with discussion Mr Trump told the two aides to work it out on their own well here's how they worked it out the White House Turkish national who had been accused of funneling ten billion dollars worth of gold and cash to Iran Tillerson said no it would be quite announced we've hired trey goudy he's a terrific guy gouty contradicts them within a half an hour saying my law firm does not like this it blows up trump's embarrassed and I think it's a problem that we have very nicely under control we have but he also trump does issues these vague platitudes that because they aren't foreheads. Astride a giant Kiwi the gist Ash Carter top job in the Defense Department worst job into Kenzi work it out themselves now trump's is a lot of crazy falsifiable on Moore to reality things statements like the following but you know what trump is none of those things trump is not smart he is ignorant trump is not strategic he is impulsive trump is not a hard capable leader just some would say he's trying to get TYCO T to run an opposition candidate in Wellington because that guy is good at working in the shadows Cristina de Joseh just producer often lead to a good result strong leaders might say maybe you could work it out knowing that a solution that comes from the principles will be stronger than one that comes from the top down and that's it for today show Daniel schrader is a producer of the Gist v producer Britain interfere with an ongoing criminal case on behalf of a guy who's working for Turkey to help Iran but it was Giuliani's client and he wanted anyone at some intervention vet are on their face just so embarrassing so it's a very semi complicated not too complicated if you're smart but it's a semi complicated problem was anything that I am I not matched wisdom consider to be off limits I will totally destroy and obliterate the economy of Turkey but wait but wait envisioning a Jane campion lead Pack Political Action Committee and their symbol will be a naked harv and their symbol will be a naked Harvey Keitel England Ash Carter Debra do pro and thanks for listening maybe they can work it out strategic thinkers have offered advice to work it out as a means of buying time keep keep negotiating you know me so what did the president do what did the president do in this spat between his appointed cabinet officer who was fourth in line for the presidency and some.

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"You're about to enter the world of Michael's of all. Your Kid. Alone you're listening. Michael Isabella This is MC now. I've been so thirsty recently. Probably because I haven't had a real water. In months. My surreal water like something. That's not carbonated or Soda or read Bowl. Like here's the only thing I have in my house. I do have smart waters. I bought them two months ago in the beginning of this whole pandemic, and I haven't touched one of them. I drink topa. Pacheco's if I'm really wanting water, but that Kinda makes you more Thursday because got that carbonation it. And then I have read bowl I have these blueberry. BY A T or whatever it's called Oh. Yeah, you know I'm talking about? It's low calorie it's. there's no artificial sweeteners and stuff in it. Those was actually really good as mixers. I don't even have any of that. and. then. I usually have diet ginger ale around the house, but they're out four grocery lady. We're not give me and so she brought me back diet. Dr Pepper. And that's not really that great, so that's it. That's literally all I drink and yesterday i. feel like such a Slob because yesterday I all I did I haven't had one of these days. In a long time I worked a little bit, but I also just play video games for the majority of the day because I. The last of us just came out. PARTU guys aren't really station. Guys, except for spider has one. In spider if you don't have the first the last of us, if you like the story of Red Dead Redemption to. You'RE GONNA love the last of us. The first one I was wondering why you are into it when I saw the reviews for talking about how good the was like. He's not a story guy. Why is into this because? For whatever reason! Has Your facebook shaking whenever he? Saying that. I was getting mad. Gas. Have a I have a a snapchat prison Mike Mask on my face. Clark said it looked like Al Pacino when I when I saw it. Just the way the mouth moves freaks me out a little bit. Show Eric this before you guys came on. If I'm looking down on my computer here and then I look up. It looks really creepy. You see God. Is just starting to get really big. But the. The last of us one is just so good like it's a story. I didn't expect to play it and like the story, I just wanted to play a game with zombies, but the story is so great that I just got hooked I think played it twice and I'm not a person that plays video games once I beat it. I'M NOT GONNA. Play it again. And the last of US came out this weekend and I'm almost done with it. Oh, God, I want to check that out after get a controller for the playstation before any games only right on the D. Pad works, but then on the left stick. It doesn't go straight to the right. So! There's a little there's. Stuff going on, but I would suggest buying at least the first one because it's on, so they have a cell on it every week. It's like you can get it for five bucks now, and then, if you like that, then get the second one. How does it start out the first one? This Zombie outbreak and you kind of focus in on this guy named Joel who's played by a guy from Dallas actually. Where's my phone? I don't have anything. I'm not sorry. I'm all sorts today. Will you play it? You should know no I. mean the Guy The guy who can only get up troy baby and I call him no, but he used to be a number of victory park by the way he was A. He was a regular. Troy Baker as the AL's Game Oh the last of us yet tro used to frequent vickery park back in the day to hear Josh talk about them. All the time never met probably sat right volume, but never knew who he was, and now he's like one of the most famous video game voice guys in the world is as basically gawking stories, the stories better than the walking dead. And it's a cool take on the whole Zombie thing. Is this the one we take care of that little girl and like. You like find these little things, and like Sasha's in transform into his army. Now that's that's a movie you're thinking of. No actual game was now this is you still take care of a little girl, but it's not because you're trying to keep it from turning into Zombie. Just as you're a good guy trying to take care of a little girl. Maybe I'll try. Yeah, you can't get it. It's only for playstation. Oddly. They had part one on them. Now it's playstation exclusive. Last of is so good. That HBO is doing a show on it, I think next year that's how good it is. And before that earlier this week was playing a game called days gone because it was on sale and another Zombie game, and it's basically spider like that game. We were playing on xbox. State of the state of decay to yeah, it's based on steroids better graphics. You still got the little nest that you have to go and destroy in different regions, state of sate of the K. was basically just going around looking for stuff days gone. Basically a bunch of ridiculous story lines like there's so but the impact in so much story in IT I. Don't have any clue what's going on, and then you go back to the base and they're like. Hey, we need you talk to this. This person and you drive halfway across the mouth to talk to this person like Hey, do you need anything? The guys like I'm good and that's it. Mission completed you get your little xp, points and stuff like. Why did I drive all the way right anyway? I didn't mean to talk this whole. I block about video, not nine days gone. Listen to this whole topic ham. Yeah, I, was Eric's over here. Dying of Corona virus and I'm talking about the begins. I've been playing so Erica tested Wednesday. and. Now the testing process did a stick. Thing up your nose. No, I didn't myself I thought. I thought I talked, but there's nothing at all. I didn't listen, so we didn't have time. Don't think we had time. Oh, I don't think we went to that detail no I I did it myself i Wednesday. Morning! I'm an appointment that before and they basically so you go! Up to the pharmacy window. And you know you tell me you're there for the Cova testing. Then, they hand you like this little brown by like a sack lunch. And it has booze. It has A, LITTLE SWAB! It Sauber knows and a little violin there and low like specimen bag to put it all in so you so you've opened up the little swab package. It's brand new, obviously and then she says you have to put in your nostril. I'll go go an inch, an inch, and the second little invention in the in the swastika, possible little Neck or whatever it is but there's an intention on there. That tells you I. Guess I get an inch in whatever. The much I might actually be all the way back. Like how they were doing it in the beginning. No, so you can still hear some places. No, I, still hear some places. that I doing that for people like that people that actually administrating it. But, if you're doing it yourself, you know you're not. You're not going that far back. were you disappointed? No did you want a gag? Now. I'll the all gate anyways. But now even people that are doing. Oh, the administration themselves like I like Chris fire whatever he puts videos on on his instagram of him doing it. You know, haven't himself and all that and he's all like. ooh, y'all this is so. This is my worst enemy young. And then I went to do it, and then he he, he did the same day, and then he was doing all closing his eyes like Oh. My God afterwards he goes. My album is. Gas, I'm like I s it tells like you are doing the absolute. Most and I was like it was not even that bad like. I it was no discomfort like or anything like anything. You're just taking q tip of your nose. Yeah, like partially not even all the way up to your eye away he goes, he goes i. just feel like you know I'm GonNa pull my brains out. You know it is feels like the q tip is I touching? My brain and I'm like it doesn't even go in. You can't even reach your brain I don't think like. Connected that way. I'm like a barrier in there, but anyways he was just like over exaggerating. Yet way so the breaking news that we mentioned on Thursday was actually Chris Sapphire. Are we can say it now because it's public? Chris fire has been taken by the corona by an Rona. Right? And so has all that group of friends. Yes, including Mark Garcia which I didn't even let him on this this show today, but you should have because he has actually footage from the the Kovin party. The exposure party that they had exposure barter. Yes, where they all got exposed he's hosting. End The group chat that we have Sarah. They're Syria glasses and they're all. Yeah, they're. Singing. I said Oh I said it was this. The covid nineteen exposure party that this footage is from, and there's all sudden laughing. Actually. Yes, it is. Taken out all the gays in one shot one virus. Maura. and. It's weird, because like because I talked to Chris like lassie before he even went up at Sunday and because it was my birthday weekend, and he was Oregon. And I was like no I think that because it was going on or whatever I'm GonNa, wait maybe the next following week weekend, maybe I'll something. And he because he was filling a little under the weather, he was feeling. because he said it was allergies and actually. Have you noticed that everybody says like Oh, it's my allergies. And they have corona yeah right. I've noticed that people have been saying. I'm not really worried about it. I think it's just allergies. Yeah, and then you go out and do whatever it is. Yeah, and then they get. They get worse than the test of Covid nineteen. Yeah, so I don't know so like so he was feeling not so well like that weakened my birthday when I talked to him then he said that Saturday he was like. He had fever and has fever broken all that. And then he went out the next following day on that Sunday because he said he felt better thought allergies. You can actually to yeah I. I didn't know if it gets really bad. Yeah! Here so then he felt better by by like Saturday and Sunday morning and. That's whenever that night Sunday night. They all they all got together. I actually think that. Will and then Chris said that so like the next day on Monday. He said that he lost his sense of smell and taste. which has got to be freaky. Yet, but it's weird, because I'm like 'cause normally you would think that would happen. Before the fever like that's a symptom leading up to the fever like more severe liking, right LS Aveer but I'm more noticeable like Oh no, yeah I'm losing my my sense of taste and smell. The next step would be fever. Yum I think here at like. He had reverse and I don't think that he was coming down from all the symptoms So. Maybe, that's a good thing for people that was that he exposed at the the outbreak party twenty game. Maybe he wasn't even i. mean maybe he was contagious from what be represent. Yeah, maybe maybe he was already over it. I know right weird. but then he thought that he was exposed again because they may find out the plot thickens and find out that somebody there somebody else. That was there with them at the party or not party, but or at the Bar tested positive for covid nineteen, so then there, double double deed, you know or double, eat really double exposed. So Yeah I. Don't know, but I'm glad I didn't go, and that's the other thing is might my fear is when people get exposed and they do get corona virus and they. Oh, it's not so bad. I already had it and then they go back out again. I've already got I'm immune like there's what I study showing that you can get reinfected and get a were strain and can also still carry it to other people, so if you do get it, it's a sign that hey. What I was doing was not working. I obviously didn't take all the precautions still went out I still. Get after my own family for going out to the grocery store or yesterday. Somebody said they went to Ross. Text me. What are you going to Ross for? Why do you need close at this point? You're not going to wear. You don't actually the house. There's nothing on the racks anyway for you to go get because everyone. To return something why if you don't need anything at this point, you're not going anywhere, so I mean it's it's. People think that there is this false security, and it's worse now than it was when it first started, so you guys have to just stay home. If you get infected, stay home, you get better stay home. Don't go out until we can get a handle on this thing. The not seen yet await for a vaccine, but wait until the case is drop to where it's basically non. You know what I mean. That's what I think. If you don't have to, yeah, I mean even I'm like waiting. I told you that I mean away from our results. Do actually here at the hospital. Got My results right? Yes I. From the hospital. Yeah I came up here to talk to the lab to see my give my results so exciting snow. Say the fourth day. They told me was three or four days. Where did you go walgreens? Now, what does he bs? Walgreens, CVS. So long on everything. So, many of these results if they see even if they come back negative is scheduled a follow up visit on the fifteenth day after my exposure to get tested again just to make sure that you're. Done I. Don't actually do not have anything so I set up an appointment with Walgreens, so yeah I mean photos done in one hour. They can get your. Task Done. Pretty quick. I think it's the same machine. multi-use yet, having energy and space all right, we'll be right back with me Laura Hart and from the office. This is M Zeno. Online at 'em Zeno Dot TV. Flown. Owned amount of phone. On a phone A. L. E. Five Day. A. Day I'll tell me on a phone. Long. Me On phone. The phone. Off. The phone. Mike writer a shadow. Into the dangerous world of a man who does not exist. Michael's. A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of. The. Yeah I'm I'm I'm not reading this. I'm not reading of all the things. He's asking me to read over the years. This is This is, this is terrible. I'm I'm not doing it I'm not doing it. I'm not reading. Mike. Now. Say again. Back to Nevada Michael's develop tests, not playing with my name's Availa. Listening to enter. Michael's Avala test angles said No. What's up artist splashing bonkers in harmony and you listening to Michael Zavala? Keep it locked. This is MC now. I'm Laura how're you. How are you good good? How have you been coping with this? Shelter in place situation. We've got going on right now. What are they doing it and you know there there certainly been some good sides to it from my perspective, because we film type in Montreal so haven't had to be flying back and forth as much Spending a lot of family time with my two teenage daughters and my husband and my cat, and my dog and lots of time to focus on the documentary that I've been directing and that I'm in for the last four years. So that's been really lovely to so You know lots of positives and just hoping that we can all manage to. Keep, keep keeping. You know low low profiles. Keep the Latin this curve. least you stay productive. Yeah, exactly well. I'm a huge back to the future fan and I don't know how he didn't this before. Maybe I didn't I just didn't put two and two together, but you were originally cast as Jennifer Parker correct. Yes, that's right, but you were too tall from Michael J. Fox, so they had to replace you. That's an Iran that's incredible I. Don't know why, and here's the here's the show we can tied into the bowl type, and and also to like my my documentary. which is that it I heard? Someone's writing a book about the back of the feature in the history of it, and I had an interview with him last year some time and he. He basically said he was the one that told me. that it was the female executives. That thought that it was emasculating to have the star of the movie have a girlfriend that was to Utah that was taller than he was. and. I thought well. You know for as for as far as we still have to go, and for as much as we need to change, and we need to get a quality for you know for women and for black people, and you know so many in trans people at know the there's so much still that we need to work on in our in our culture, and and in our society, but I have to say i. think that is not something you would hear in two thousand twenty. I do not think you would have seen like decorative. Say that they felt it was emasculating to have a woman taller than the start. You know the narrow. Would hear that, so I think that we've made a little bit of. Now going back to the bull type this season. You've had a chance of director correct. Is that nerve wracking and all, do you? Do you freak out with it? Because I I second guess every decision. I make so I feel like directing for me would be A. Terrible waste of time for everybody. Do you enjoy that you? Do you like working behind the camera I? Do I really do love it? and I I you know. The seed was planted years ago in my twenty s when when I had a producer that said you know, you should really direct because you have that that quality of of the iron fisted, developed grove and you. You know you should really do that and I i. think for me that probably one of my one of my strongest suits of directing that I don't I'm not I, don't feel like. I am wishy washy year round visions I feel like I can really. I can make choices on the fly. And I can I can shift. I can pivot quickly, and you know relatively easily even. When I have a certain thing that I really really want 'cause you have to be able to change pretty quickly. when when you're working on especially television when you're doing with white and you're dealing with you know. It's such I always say you know TV and film it you know making TV and film and is is team sport, so you're you're dealing with your team. and how everybody's feeling and what's? Possible. What's not possible? Yeah so so I loved it. I loved every minute of it in a I plan on doing more hopefully. Now you work with your your real life. Husband on the show. Who Plays Your husband on the show? Is that the first project? You guys have been able to work together on well. No, actually my the first thing I ever directed was a feature film that he wrote called you and I kind of always say that you know. The screenplay was was a level editor to me and I think the film that I delivered. ultimately was a love letter back to him. So. We've worked together quite a few times. We've also done you know. We've done little things here and there and He's guest starred on some things that I've done over time. This one was just sort of pretty funny. Because when I was we were going into the first season. Sarah Watson, the creator of the show, but basically said to me, so we're GONNA we're GONNA catch your. Your husband and you know he's going to be an Englishman who is a photo journalist and you guys have been married for twenty years and I said Oh well. That's interesting. I'm married to an Englishman these married twenty years and He's an excellent actor. Indefinitely could play a photo journalist, so I just handed them his real and and they were like. Oh well, that's a no brainer. That worked out well. So what this documentary you're working on. well, this is something that I've been I've been making for four years. it's it's a story about humor. You know I just put together a two words, which was a female friendship and healing And that's really what it's about. It's about you know real life serendipity that brings people together meeting one of those people and and then sort of what it takes to to really heal trauma and this particular friendship that how they do it together, and what they what they do, and it's it really is very much the female gaze, and and the feminine sort of journey of how how to women friends. Come together to to collectively kind of almost like you know kind of be rebirth, her kind of her her herself, and how my characters kind of almost like the midwife of that and and and it's really it's really interesting. It's really it's a really interesting story. That just fell into my lap. It's not like I was out there. Looking for for this, it came to me and I just feel really grateful that I happen to turn the camera on. Absolutely now you're on this. Show had a cult following. I think it was called the office and It's amazing to me. I don't know if you feel the same way that it's still just as big now as it was when it first aired, my brother, who just graduated high school is discovering it for the first time like he's watching every episode like it's brand new. Does that amaze you that it's still a huge part of pop culture. Credible I mean. I started acting professionally when I was six years old and you know for. Whatever it is twenty years of my career. You just never you know nothing ever. Lasted that long term out and and it aired, and then it was done, and then streaming came along now there's this opportunity for something to live on and on and on and and become kind of iconic, and and it's really exciting I have fans who are ten years old and I have fans who are in their sixties. It was going through the list of shows and movies you've done. You've had a very successful career. You've worked with just about everybody and I'm like who hasn't she worked with? Is there someone you would like to work with that? You haven't had the opportunity yet. Yeah, I would love to I. Have to say I'd love to work with some of the directors that are that are out there creating amazing content like I would love to work with Jane campion. I think she's just incredible filmmaker and if I had the opportunity to work with her I, I would just jump at it. I would love to work with You know I would love to work with I. Think Sarah. Pauly is just extraordinary filmmaker, too. I have to say I'm really really taken with her work, and she's also like a director, but she's also an actor so I I would love to work with her Yeah, there's quite a few people and then as far as actors, many actors that I. That I would love to work with you. Know I I've Daniel Day Lewis is apparently retired from his career as an actor, but I think he's an extraordinary extraordinarily. You know artists talent. Yeah so there's there's many people. Many in the list goes on, we could be. The Laura I really appreciate your time. Check out the bowl type on free forum. You're also on a million little things and I can't wait to see what you do next. Thank you so much and please stay safe. Thank you. So I tried to go to the trump rally in Tulsa because everyone here is getting corona virus or getting exposed and I'm feeling left out, so I tried to get the coronavirus and I thought well. What better place to get corona than a mass gathering and I went and no one was there, so I'm perfectly healthy still. Ha Ha, thank you. Eric like you should say that when we start back. Now. Trying to figure out if this is me. So this man has a fun. Go Pop, you know those little plastic Bunko pop action figures, or whatever that really? Got One right here. Put Your Parents Yeah Here's a got that one. Yeah, DUCK DUCK yeah! I don't have any right here next to me. But? I always stayed away from thunk Oh pops because they kind of don't look like. You know I like things that are scale that look like the actual person her car. Versions of batmobiles or star Trek vehicles, or whatever it just like a pixellated version of you know what I mean. It doesn't really look like it kind of resembles it so i. don't like having things that Kinda resemble things, but years ago, people started just buying me. Funk POPs are kind of easy thoughtful. Sheep gifts. You like ten bucks. So, since then I started every now and then I'll kind of buy in bulk. and Bulk I mean like two or three two time some fun. Go POPs and I've I've got a small collection, but I I mean I'm not. It's not something I must have. I don't have to complete a set like the newest fungal POPs. I've got I got. Sam Alone. WHO's the other two guys at the Bar? Norman Clip Norman Cliff. Yeah, I got those two in the maladjusted other day, and that's it that you can get woody and you can get. Diane, but I don't really care. Those aren't my favorite characters. You know what I mean, so I don't have to complete a set amount of completion EST when it comes to Funk, pops, but this guy. Had A massive collection. You dates his girl. She approves of his collection. She even buys him. funke POPs couple years later. They get married and. He continues to Buy Co. POPs, and the collection gets bigger and bigger. Off finally she confronts him because he's spinning five hundred dollars a month on funk. Oh pots now! That's a lot of fun. Co pops talking about these. Things are seven to ten dollars. In fact, you can get him on sale. Most of the time leading by three of them gets to free. They give them away out the time. So I'm like. How many is he actually? But if you did that was a ten dollars. Fifty funk Oh pops a month. He's buying. And so she was like. Hey, we gotta calm down on Funk Oh. POPs is five hundred dollars. A month is ridiculous. That's almost the mortgage payment. And he said No. You know what you knew what you were getting into whatever you married me. This is what I love is I'm going to do. And, so she finally gave ultimatum. She said she moved out of the House first, and then she said, listen either give the pops, or you give me up. And he says by and is filing for divorce, so he's asking is had asshole and started reading this and I'm like when I do something like this I was just gonNa say and she hot. He was she was hot enough for him so just. Be, the equipment like see it as equivalent so. Enough to marry the girls. I'm sure you're finder. Hot or has like one of those people. He could have been settling down. He could. She's definitely saddling, but he had been like. I'm a guy that's been five hundred dollars a month on fun. Co POPs I'M NOT GONNA. Find anyone that's interested in me at least adding to my collection and she's interested I'm just gonNA. Go ahead and. Nell this went down. Thinking that this is GonNa last forever and he'll be able to live with is fun. Cope Hobbs and her for the rest of his life, but she goes now. You'RE GONNA. Have to make a decision and he chose the funk. Oh pops well I. Mean it's six thousand dollars a year. Right wing on. The. Stop fraternity cost the money. I guess so. Let me but if you think about this if you went out to the bar every week and he's been the same amount of money. You know he just might be more interesting. He's chiming toys over her relationship. Say you're an astle now? Forcing her to choose toys over him, I would say. I mean I would say no, because he sounds like he's addicted and so I mean when it said something like you know drugs or alcohol whatever People tend to pick the addiction over somebody that care about. So. Now? My question to me when I read this I'm like this ridiculous. Nine thought what I do that. I have a lot of collections. Would well. Here's what I think. If it was somebody who I was like yeah, I've got to marry this person and went through the whole rigmarole of actually getting married, and then they're telling me to get rid of this I would probably have to get rid of my my collection hobby, because obviously this person especially for me to to break my I'm not getting married thing you know what I mean. Does that make sense so but in a regular like relationship? Not Married. I would probably be like you need to find some of you. Know I I, if you're not moving into my house so i. don't know what you care about what I'm doing. And I've been doing this since since high school since I was a kid in elementary school so i. this is not something. I'm just gonNA, stop doing. We're not even sharing finances though you know what mind your own Biz. I, don't go into your business talking about how much money you're spending at the mall and how much money you take outgoing drink. I'm getting your business, so don't get into mind. You have a collection of big enough to where you. Have a four bedroom house. And you share one bedroom. Three bedrooms are filled with fun co OPS. It's kind of like what is the Endgame Ear Inn relationship I guess I don't know well. We're GONNA need some more room, so she's had to move out so I have some more space for my phone. Co. POPs. Out in a marriage situation I don't know that I would give up the marriage for that I mean again. They only knew each other for a couple of years. So maybe it wasn't the strongest relationship ever you know, I, mean you kind of write about the whole like? I, mean it. I mean you you like she. She had her. Income Right I'm sure she does. Hopefully she did and that he has his if he wants to spend his money on that, and it's affecting like the bills you know like her or him buying her things or whatever I don't see the problem, because even only Mike von Miller is a month or more on food alone. Anton out or At a restaurant, your restaurant like you can have food at the house is just like that. You want to do okay he wants. I heard I. Heard a month. To buy these figurines. Okay, he do whatever he wants I'm like as long as he's paying the bills. No issue with that I was here problem with it. Oh, she's an asshole to for given an ultimatum. Yeah, right, that's that's bullshit. Made him how the addition the first place by giving the you. Yeah she. It's like it's like if I had made a met a girl and she's really hot and she's a meth. Maybe that's why she's so hot and I. Say Oh, my Gosh, this is so great! YOU'RE SO hot! You're right. You know you have a great personality. When you're not on the math I, enjoy seeing you. Let me give you some some more math because I. Just I love you so much. Much I want you to be happy, and then we get married, and then I'm like you got to cut down on this map this message a problem I didn't really was such a problem, even though I gave you some earlier. And you know I knew I saw. Your House was full of math. I didn't know that I saw this breaking bad posters. I didn't know that it was this big of a problem. This one guy says he goes. Listen math of my hobbies. Is People commenting on this on? Air Soft three thousand dollars three thousand dollars on air saw. What did you buying? Is that just pellets? Can't cost that much. I have an air soft guide. It was like twenty bucks. People crazy like with these hobbies like paintball same kind of thing. Yeah, three printing fifteen hundred dollars. Okay, I can see that. The materials got the printer PC gaming five thousand. God. Is My steam expenses for the online gaming. Computer Gaming Software mice steam expenses over sixteen years amounts to twenty thousand dollars. Yeah, do that guy sounds like he also have a problem as well other issues. But. He's right though people go out during a weekend. It's been one hundred bucks easy I mean I I really Kinda WanNa see those guys collection because it's got to be incredible. I mean really. They the day people I mean somebody's in have some addiction. Everybody's in have some nation something this guy's addiction. Is these these pop? The years right fire engine. Emma doesn't seem like it's going overboard i. think some guys have shown makeup and cosmetics they. Way More money, and if a hundred a month I can tell that and sunny has been more than that to be. So I think this guy is like spinning a good amount like a reasonable amount. It's manageable. I don't see what the problem was. I think she's being control of this situation. You knew this guy. He was archer, and he loved arch archery that word he loved archery, and you met him at an archery class, and then you start dating, and are you know I got you some bow and arrows and stuff and he's all sweet. Thank you, and then you get married you like art. You gotTA. Stop this archery stuff. He was doing archery before he even knew you exist it. Let the guy have as little pleasures in life. That's what I said. I've known people that should have been a court. Clark. Situation. That would have been a great example for that. I didn't know both assholes hope in keeping assholes. Together I've known girls like. I mean the guy. The Guy Works out like you know like six days a week. And the girl does not. They get together and then she's mad that he's working out and like wants him to stop and I'm like. Well. It's because he can meet a girl at the bar at the club at the gym. Blah Blah I was like, but he's been doing think he would've like as updating you. He lived the girl that he goes to the gym like everyday. Why Right? But I don't know. What's your addiction? Who Mine Yeah intiatives, those who'd? I saw that Fuzzies Cup. As I it might be, fuzzies might not be fuzzies, but I ordered these tacos from this place. I ate it and I was freaking out because. I thought I had corona virus. Go I couldn't taste anything, and then I realized it was just that place from. Yeah, that's, but it might have been fuzzies by Donna Ben. It is not saying that is. What's Your Addiction Mike? Talk about that on the air, think yet multi bolts talking I like talking. Always talking I guess that's it. Everything I do is the involves talking. Dog How docking. Yeah! I just like talking telling jokes sometimes. Don't don't lend right to ones that your friends tell you say that one do that one. And then I do it, and they just lay out on his the same jokes over and over again, trying to find people to tell jokes to the same ones why I have my my my solid fifteen I thought used it on any new person I find. But. You know what show I really got into Riverdale now this. Now, I just can't do it on the TV the other day and we were doing the show, but. I just can't get into that. Curb your enthusiasm. Finally, Show that I couldn't get into for years I don't know why I think it was the I. Don't know maybe just in grab it. Something in my head didn't click, and then finally something clicked now loving it. It's a Larry David. He's the creator of our co-creator of Seinfeld. And he really he was really the driving force behind it a lot of the scenarios. They went through all stuff that happened to Larry David. This is all real. His real life, essentially and George Costanza is literally Larry David like that's. It was written to be Larry David, so this is kind of an extension of those crazy little minute. Little situations that happen in life and explodes into this big major ordeal. It's great I mean. I'm only on season one, but I can't get enough. I just play it all the time. You had a long way to go its ten seasons right. You Big Fan the ten. Yeah, Love it plus I just like Larry David I think it's really I don't know why couldn't get into it, but. I mean heck we all got time. Watch. Curb your enthusiasm especially. If you have HBO Max I think that's it I'm thinking I'm done talking. I. Don't believe it when I see her here Wolfer today. Okay I gotTa stop this talk, more. The next trump Brownie not you. Yeah that's that's a trump fan. By the way I did find out a way. And you can not like the page. Follow Right Oh so no longer like donald trump. But I follow the page also the masses got to you so I have my cake. Yeah I got trump shamed, and so I had to make a I had to do a policy change for Michael's Vala. And so I no longer liked, and I put a statement out on all of our platforms. I no longer support. Donald Trump. I didn't fact checked under one of the tweets? Whole thing! Is, great? I, saw that way I can still get my my information if we have to write a bit which we haven't done it donald trump bitten. How many years to three years 'cause? There's nothing you can right. It's funnier than what's going on now. Tire ruined it for everybody. Yeah, and that's why even like South Park I think. Matt Parker and all those are like you know we try to do. Trump in the very beginning and we did it, but then at some point, real life is funnier than what we could right, so we're not you. It's like tiger. King if you wrote that script. People would think it's unbelievable, right? That's why you don't see any tiger king parodies rarely. You know you just see people making fun of Joe, but you don't see any actual parodies of it because you can't be crazier than that, yeah! So all right. We're done. We will see you guys on the mid. Week This is M Z now online at MC now. TV like on facebook at facebook dot com forward slash. M. C. now.

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08/12: Wide Receivers Preview Part 1 (Fantasy Football Podcast)

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08/12: Wide Receivers Preview Part 1 (Fantasy Football Podcast)

"This is fantasy football today from c._b._s. Sports gov email us at fantasy football ed c._b._s. I dot com. Take time to dominate your fantasy league of janey. Welcome in vanity catchable pass. A pro football focus says that he had ten catchable deep balls. He caught nine of them for them went for touchdowns. I think he could turn back to the type of year not like his his last year in philadelphia but his first year in washington had about one hundred targets fifty six catches one thousand one hundred sixty nine yards. Even that might be a little too i but six touchdowns i think he can get you that though round nine round ten good bench receiver to sean jackson alright jamie who you got i'll go with mark was valdas ganley you no after what <hes> pete i go bring bombing. I think it's <hes> it. There's a chance for him to have a big season that the second guy there in green bay and i know we use the fight over drawn a miles and adam but <hes> not that alison i think is going to have a terrible year but it sounds as if they are really in love with what bothers scaling can do and i think going to be a fun season or him and his sophomore campaign. Yeah i think <hes> that's one. I certainly reports have to be a jew. Reports have to make you adjust your thinking because i was definitely definitely team allison and now i don't know i i mean i feel like they should probably be going pretty close in drafts but i guess i'd take 'em v._s. Ahead of them now. You're there right you take n._b._s. Ahead of that yeah all right and n._p._r. But it's by i think literally one spot alright tyrel sean jackson and m._v._s. Yes now follow up question heath. You're drafting today. You're not getting tyrone williams zero one hundred thirty fifth or whatever i said. When would you pull the trigger gorontalo williams well. I think what jamie likes to say is. I always take him four rounds before. I have to anyway so that probably won't be a problem for me. I'm in the ninth background. That's easy. Who's your favorite breakout receiver. I'll good. I think dede westbrook. We've been talking about and also <hes>. I think there's a huge target. Opportunity does not sound like marquees. Lee is going to be ready for the start of the year. There's just no competition for westbrook in that slot role. They don't really really have tight end which is kind of what this often usually folks on. I think westbrook at some of those targets leads all wide receivers. I've bumped him up a little bit of a hundred and twenty seven targets now which makes him wide receiver twenty five pretty close to last year's efficiency and i do think there's a chance this offense is more creative. He has better quarterback play and he is just a more efficient wide receiver would not be surprised at all if dede westbrook the top twenty wide receiver the sure. Can i ask a question because i'm in total agreement with everything you're saying but there is a report from the athletic lettuce that <hes> nick foles is really favoring conley a ton and a lot of positive things on d._j. Chart in westbrook yet distanced himself enough from those guys who i think we all view as just is never done anything and charges you know still young and i think still profiles profiles is not a deep ball out but can in westbrook separate himself because i think we've all kind of like tied westbrook two marquees leeann if lease not they're like the sky's the limit for westbrook. Are we getting too over excited about anything and i'm not asking you heat to defend them because you're the westbrook is not to say that you know you're wrong in. I have almost every week during the training camp and preseason updated my projections. I have moved conley shark up just a little bit. I have them second and third now. Now on the team in targets do buy into it just a little bit but i also think there are enough targets to go around if lease not even there and they don't have any sort of threat at tight end ended up pretty consolidated passing attack all right dede westbrook <hes> dave. Who's your favorite breakout this year. I think amari cooper is in line for career. Who you saw what he did and eleven games after he joined the cowboys at mid season last year had almost nine hundred yards seven touchdowns it was up and down the targets were not he the ad at least seven targets in nine of those eleven games and if you take his per game average in those eleven games and you stretch it out over sixteen it's thirteen hundred yards and ten touchdowns and those would be career type numbers for amari cooper and it's an added bonus. If zeke elliot does hold out that means a little bit more passing from the cowboys maybe means and eight targets plus per game for amari cooper and i i actually i like the additions that they made with randall cobb and bring him back jason john wooden not for those guys for fantasy but just to keep defenses honest and amari cooper won't see nearly as many double teams i think as long as he stays out the the little bit of an issue right now because he'll but as long as you say south the he's gonna be worth that third round pick i. I like him a lot. I man i think he's tough 'cause he had some really bad games and some huge games very inconsistent <hes> but what what gives me a little bit of hope more hope is how well he did in the postseason amari cooper two postseason games cooper was really good in both of them <hes> and also he only had twenty four percent of the targets during that stretch with the cowboys the regular season stretch which was nine games <hes> so that's that's really not that much for a number one wide receiver that could go up. I probably stay about the same but you know it's not like he was a total target haag ugh but that prescott was throwing more than ever. Dak prescott was throwing five more times per game than we've ever seen him. Throw so that's why i'm a little bit nervous about amari cooper but i'm a little bit nervous about all those wider is it's kind of like the running backs around three and that's why they're in round three. They have question marks feeling digs yeah interesting with the cowboys you know with the the target share with tob being in upgrade of what they had last year. I think over beasley you know. Maybe it's a wash but yeah eh but still i i. I think you know if avas healthy. I think he's an upgrade and then you know within just being the security blanket for you know doc is that continue with the year absence ups and just having that player there that he can rely on that knows not going to be exactly flashing knocked the fantasy book good for you know his team so that that i think is gonna be a plus michael gallagher any better and i think that's that's only gets overlooked. The he started running. Some different routes even in the game against san francisco. You know that that i think you have big notice that he's not really deep ball anymore. Okay so dave says amari cooper heath has dede westbrook as breakout. Obviously you can have breakouts in different tiers with different expectations jamie. Who's your favorite breakout. I mean oh yeah. I i heard the same you oh. I'm obviously very excited about the opportunity for him. <hes> the hype i think he's got a little out of control with the reports out of carolina but we'll see if he lives up to it. You know he's having a great preseason. You know if you're just talking about painting camp use me if you're just talking about camp reports for a player. It's hard to find somebody who's had more glowing comments and reports and reviews about themselves. <hes> <hes> you know and then curtis samuel was had though i i'll go back to what i said all along. I think there's a higher ceiling for more just because i think he has a little bit more of a better our pedigree and upside not by much but i think if her two samuel is right there with him in terms of what the target and be and the upside <hes> we saw it at the end of last season as in you know sick of his final seven games eleven more p._r. Point to those or without cam so take that into account good or bad but i just think you're talking about somebody is going to be very involved alden an offense that doesn't have a ton of lay makers at the receiver position <hes> you know especially if greg olsen and stay healthy so i just like the opportunity for burkart curtis samuel this year is just where's the a._d._p. Going to settle for him. Once we get real drafts sort of you know hurt his his value because i i still think there's a a little bit of a ceiling on both the guys carolina are potential playmakers though i mean i that's basically what their skill set is. They they can make a catch in the short area <hes> and then break it for a long run. The one thing that i will say samuel might have an edge on more in is the deep ball is i think samuels faster than the d._j. More though it's excited the both of these guys are exciting. There were seven games last seven games last year. Their numbers were almost equal in in five of the seven games. Both of them had at least ten p. P. r. fantasy point and it makes it interesting if you wanted to take both of them to be <hes> maybe third and fourth receivers if you're starting three receivers in a flex is it both of these guys think most weeks you'll be at with what you get from. Both of them are curtis. Samuel was currently going ninety first overall. That's eighth round jamie how you you feel about that. That's over the last month in half p._r. I mean if i can still get them there. I'd be thrilled about it but <hes> we did a draft <hes> this past week. It was a the fourteen a._m. One where we'll look him in the fifth round. I think it was yeah. It was a panthers van. He took him into fifth round and i i think i personally body in the draft before uh-huh yeah yeah yeah and <hes> i'm sorry i meant then long time and i was. I was pissed at will offer taking him that too yeah well. I mean the truth of the matter is will brinson host the pick six podcasts which should be you should be listening to. He probably makes jamie curse during a backdraft basically at the the start of every backdraft because he's been great. He's been great. It's been two years now. He's been great no way commod one hundred percent last year. There are some worst culprits. <hes> one of them does another podcast with you scott. No the other guy chris the places on my on my list well. I mean we'll earn like will stands for walking in likely late. That's like yes will is the godfather of being late the drafts <hes> but he has not been bad for beer. Okay <hes> all right guys. Let's do a bus bus segment here. We dede westbrook amari cooper and curtis samuel as breakouts tire. Williams's sean jackson and mark weighs about scheduling is sleepers. We'll go jamie dave heath here jamie. Who's <hes> your bust candidate this year among the bus candidates. Who would you like to highlight. I love that i'm feeling as a player and i think he's going to put up good stats but he's going in the second round and that's just way too sir. I mean even if he if he replicates. It's exactly what he did. A year ago then it's worth asking him to be as superhuman as possibly he he had a great cash and the preseason gaming at the same. You know a lot of people get excited about that and they said he's gonna put up a lot of good numbers but i think the touchdowns come down to six or seven. I think the ours down close to eleven hundred catches. I think go under a hundred <hes>. It's an offense that wants to run the ball. I think they'll be successful doing so. <hes> digs is still there. They have another tight end in the mix that they're gonna use. Both those guys and you know. I think you'll find that cousins may spread the ball around a little a little bit more and you know again you look at the sample size it small <hes> but in those final three games you know when's the fancy took over the was battling some injuries. He just wasn't as involved right and so. Is that going to be the norm. I don't think so. I don't think he's going to be i think if you look at it it was definitely third and target you might have been forth <hes> behind digs book and and rudolf <hes> but there's just a a additional mouths to feed especially if you know donald cook is healthy and i just don't think that he's a second round pick and i don't know if you in justifying even going early third and non p._b._r. In n._p._r.'s fine but in non p._b._r. I think going early thirties. Do you think he'll get a hundred yards per game aim for eight straight games. No that was jerry rice numbers. No i agree and they also really liked their. They got a new slot receiver chad adbib. Who's relate you. Remember don beebe adam of corals come on and this is his kid he can. He like he'll say you get lineup anywhere but he's being groomed for the slot which means stealing is now out of the slot and so he's gonna play outside and if he's competing for targets outside with stefan digs. It's going to be a headache for the defenses of minnesota place but i think his targets could come way down so i think we all agree that the a._d._p. A massive bust well mass. I mean he's a third round. Pick not a second round pick. He's not a fourth round pick. He's going to draft him very often. Okay fair enough. Who's your bus dave a._j. A._d._p. is starting to fall to a point where he's not as busty but late round five is still pretty bad for a guy who isn't going to be ready for week one. We don't know if he's going to be ready weeks. Two or three he'll probably have a week where he comes back and he's got to shake the rust off. It's a new offense that he's not going to have the benefit of training in camp and the preseason to fully diverse himself in and to the last three seasons. He's ended the year hurt. I don't know how many games are going to get out of a._j. Green <hes> but i did do an undercover mock where i got him in round seven and i love that we'll take that all day. I don't know how often find them in round seven. Maybe by the time the season <hes> is is a week away or so and they're still aren't any good reports about a._j. Green at that point maybe also maybe we'll all see him going around seven and i would be comfortable getting them. Then around. Five is just too soon. Okay heath your bills. I will say i. I'm perfectly fine take a._j. Green in the fifth round but i think we have to talk about the most just obvious bust after the last week it is review and we don't know exactly where antonio brown's gonna be weeks from now or months from now but i came into the season thinking antonio brown could be a bust just because of the downgrade and offense the downgrade in quarterback and the question mark surrounding that whole thing there and oakland their offensive line looks like a disaster right now now he does not believe can't play football right now because of the feet he's getting some sort of argument with the league over his helmet and this does not sound like a very good didn't situation. I would not take brown in the third round for sure. I have a hard time. When the fourth i think you have to look more like the fifth round antonio brown and the really interesting question in his like you come to a choice between antonio brown a._j. Green if you're a report in the next week a._j. Greens recovery is going well and they think he's going to be fine mm for week-to-week three. I might take brown agree it it. It's hard to trust them. I mean i did a poll. <hes> <hes> if you're drafting him this weekend this days ago <hes> would you take him around two or three round four or five round five related around never no way <hes> four five right now was the leader at thirty three percent but twenty eight percent never no way was second in round two or three was third. Now i think round five or later was was nineteen percent <hes> <hes>. I think if you're driving right now i it's he's in that same category of melvin gordon and <hes> i don't wanna say is he. <hes> maybe you can put a._j. Green and want to but if if it gets to the point where you take a chance on somebody then the hope is that he's playing. There's a lot of speculation that you know. He's doing this to avoid jane campion to avoid maybe being on hard knocks in terms of being a a a a little bit more of a featured option there billy up talk about this <hes>. It's hard to say what's what's happening with them. Right now. Z. really gonna walk away from all this money with because of a helmet no well let me let me be the optimist steer because i don't really think the raiders offensive line is looking like a long-term disaster i think they came into the training camp looking like they were going to have one of the better offensive lines hence in football but you know you've got incognito suspended for a couple of games. You've got gave jackson dealing with an injury. I understand there's some issues now. I do think there's a chance that there's this really good offensive offensive line for a good chunk of the season now. Let's say antonio brown is gets gets a new helmet his feeder fine. He's ready for week one and everything looks good good. When when would you take antonio brown in that scenario around three early round free weight so we're we're pretending like four or the next month. Everything's going to be normal and there's not going to be any weirdness anywhere. Yes that seems like a really strange thing to pretend based on what happened last week but i would agree with round three. Oh look at those feet. Wow if you're watching video there are the feet. Would you take adam feel antonio brown assuming everything's fine the deal and easy brown brandin cooks. Antonio brown cooks okay. You are talking talking about the best receiver in fantasy five years running basically yeah but he's you know he's not gonna put up numbers with car like he put up with rothlisberger burger. We knew getting training from the day he was traded. Yes yes. I know i just. I wonder what what point we go a little too far. You're in downgrading him because i because i think that the question i just asked you right. If everything's fine and you know he's he tomorrow he's back. You know and you said round three well. I feel like if i asked you wendy you take antonio brown. If i asked you this a month ago before the offensive line injuries before the foot before before the feet before the helmet. I think you probably would have been a little bit earlier with antonio. Brown late round too early round three whereas now i'm kind of feeling like you're you're valuing him as like a mid round three late round three guy. I just feel like we've mentally downgraded him to the point where that even if he does come back. We're we're going to be a little bit sour on him. He goes come back and he's perfectly fine. You know what i'm saying no i. I think you're right in that regard. I mean i'll speak for myself. I had ran around twentieth n._p._r. I think like twenty four twenty the three and nine p._b._r. But you have to take into account that there's something off with him. I mean it's just it's hard not to so you know you have to a sort of take that into account when you're valuing him and evaluating him like what if he hates the field at the coliseum i mean you you wonder if forget about the field what just hates david derek carr jon gruden after spending some time with them like this for me. It'd be just becomes a malcontent to cash in the new extension that he got the like the thirty million garin. That's fast never fair. He's never he's never been part of consistently losing team and so if that frustration space starts to wear on him which could be part of the problem last year when they were losing and the quarterback was blaming him for things and never happened before you know the it's. It's so hard to say that forget about the numbers because the numbers may be fine. I stretch of games but he just may sound. I'm i'm done with this. I'm tired of it. I'm tired hardy gruden. I'm tired of car throwing me. I'm tired of all of it and he can say those things and not retire and still collect the guaranteed and and dave you bring up a point that the the you guys are no. There's more than me. When does the field switch in oakland. Honestly twenty twenty over win. They go from baseball football apple. Oh yeah i october right so you know i mean that may be a problem for his feet yeah but they're they're like they're away from the costume for like two straight as another thing. The travel is the raiders in the bucks specifically have really bad schedule. Okay by the way <hes> derek carr purchased a house in las vegas right next to john gruden's house in las vegas so i bet they'd be wonderful to hang out with their next door. Neighbors asking me weird when he's not a raider and it is going to be weird all right. Let's let's take one last break here on fantasy football today and we'll come back and wrap up part one of our wide receivers preview. 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Talk in there and we're gonna talk about preseason stuff and some winners and losers some risers and some followers based on the first week of preseason games and also important injuries guys and we talk about wide receiver seaver injuries <hes> trey quinn for washington and trent taylor for san francisco to slot receivers that we kinda liked late and drafts. They're both banged up right now so so let let's start with that news item and heath your reaction to trey quinn and trent taylor. We still have time. We still have about a month before the season starts but there are a little banged up your thoughts. I mean these guys were really really borderline. When it comes to just a normal draft this season in terms of redraft so oh. I think it probably is going to knock them off of boards for the most part i was slightly more interested in trey quinn just because there's less competition for targets there but and his his injury actually doesn't sound quite as bad as taylor's does but for the most part. I'm probably just not drafting either these guys unless you're talking about something. That's more than sixteen round draft okay. I really liked a lot and i. I don't think his injuries that bad so you dry like taylor lot but i think that injury could get bad no so dave and jamie you would take late round picks on trey quinn and or trent taylor. I would not enter yeah i now. I can't do it on taylor taylor. Okay yeah taylor. He may not miss too many regular season games. He had surgery for a fractured toe but i guess there's just no reason to draft him. I'd like to say this about <hes> trend taylor in san francisco general. I've gotten a little gun shy with my dante pettis breakout right. It's just so you guys too many guys deebo. Samuel looked good looked great did and i know we're supposed to also mention jalen hurts. The two touchdowns key look good too. They've got a lot of wide receivers that can stretch the field run. Good routes catch the football like all the the best way to probably put his they don't. I'm having number one but they've got a lot of number twos number. Three's yeah that's a shame but and that sort of been a trend of garoppolo is especially with the running back. He throws the ball of the so many different running backs but he gets kyle use chick involve. He doesn't really feature any running back in the passing game. I'm not sure he's going to feature any wide receiver. In the passing game. I do think he'll feature george kittle but i'm so on backing off a little bit still dante pettis but i just can't really call him like super duper number one breakout he. I don't think the candidates to be a number two receiver anymore. I think he's more like a number three fantasy receiver number four sure you could draft him as a low end number three receivers now there's upside but there were a couple a couple of plays against dallas where he couldn't break off the the press. They hadn't playing into the second quarter. When everybody else was off the field that mattered i told would you the group that i put it with earlier. It's i i'd put him behind the wheel. Fuller mike williams might be good but don't feel confident. They're going to be a definite starter week. One he's read the back into that group now. Yup why will continue fall. We'll samuel had of them. Will fuller obviously could be quite loaded week one if kiki kikuchi doesn't play kooky q._b. Q._c. won't be back anytime soon so i'm not necessarily expecting him for week. One another big injury theo riddick heath is out six to eight weeks with a fractured shoulder. We really didn't like the riddick signing for philip lindsay. But how are we feeling about philip lindsey now that riddick's out six eight weeks. I did move lindsey back up a little bit but he didn't go all the way back because the broncos still made the decision to bring riddick in for those pass catching down so. I don't think that because he's out now. We're going to see lindsey. Just get all of that work. I think this probably means devante. Booker makes the team and is going to get a little bit of work there but it was a small boost for lindsey i had dropped dropped him down to like late fifth early sixth round consideration and now i think you can move back up to the early fifth. It's going to be really interesting what they do. You said he does booker. Make the final roster that i think booker could be one of those guys you know with <hes> like kenneth dixon i. I don't know giovanni bernard but maybe you know somebody. They get released. Release one of the bill's guys you know whether he's a elden or if they do decide to move on the sean mccoy although it doesn't seem that's going to be a <hes> that could be <hes> a a contributor somewhere else now that may be would have been of interest but yeah. I think they have to keep booker now and you wonder if they're gonna put riddick on short-term are yeah. That'd would be probably be a significant. We talk about that with the terms of philip. Lindsey of theoretic went on short term. I are or or few started on the pup list. He'd be out at least six weeks right and i are would be eight weeks can't now oh can't now right okay <hes> so that's there are some other news items but they're or not hugely important so let's talk about some preseason standouts and what we saw over the weekend <hes> jamie who are some guys that are maybe moving up or down for you. <hes> i mean pettus was the the biggest loser i i think you know you. You look at <hes> the bucks running backs. Actually i thought looked really good. You know both of them pain barbara and ronald jones it was nice to see them both book active and and <hes> contributing. You know barbara so a little bit more births than i think you used to seeing. Maybe <hes> i really like what james did you know that first drive was was impressive oppressive <hes> the whole bucks offense and not much on just one drive <hes> dave mentioned. You know a little bit with james washington. You know his his performance was exceptional optional. It was weird because we've got that story. At the end the last week of the andre johnson passing james washington maybe on the depth chart which i didn't really understand to begin with and then all of a sudden johnson's battling a little a bit of an injury and and james washington came out and looked like everything you could ask for for a guy that's competing for a job <hes> again not playing with rothlisberger do not on the field <hes> dante moncrieff krief non on the field but you know that was that was fun to see and then kenyon drake was another guy that just getting those first name opportunities not necessarily weekend but you know i first game dem. You know <hes> <hes> he was. You know a winner for me. I know i wasn't on friday show. I'm sure you guys talked about that but i think no just looking at his <hes> his his playtime with the i was good <hes> it was but it's unclear if biolog- would would have gotten the second serious you know a second possession at i think so but i think again if you're just looking at it that he came off the field with the starters was or with with fitzpatrick patrick kelly yeah okay. Here's how about you any preseason to talk about the chiefs <hes> because i think it's it's hard to really tell carlos. I didn't do that much. He had a one yard touchdown run but not darwin thompson looks look the part and he looked pretty impressive. It wasn't just dr thompson and meco. Hartman both made big time splash plays and look like the kind of guys that could be really good for the chiefs really bad for opponents and may have a hard time mattering fantasy at least until there's some sort of injury i do do think this was a bad game for damian williams just as explosive as thompson look. It's funny. He comes on the field and you look at him think he's too small. This isn't gonna work and then he just run and dudes over verse. He's a very very strong kid. I think it was a bad game for williams because of how good thompson look. I didn't do much but he did get that one yard touchdown run one of my fears beers or williams if everybody's healthy would be that williams is moving in between the twenty s and hide is working in the red zone so he needs to have a full week of practice abyss play in their next preseason game and assert himself as the lead back especially after andy reed's comments the other thing back to tampa bay. I was chris. Godwin did played every single play the jameis winston did and went into the slot whenever they went three wide receivers and caught the touchdown pass very very excited about chris got whoa for mike evans saying that it's not a one to situation where competing to be the one. I think pete prisco said that drink a year ago. Then godwin is going to be the one b. I think it's actually true this year and i was a little bit disturbed by daryl. Henderson did not have a splash play of any sort did not. We knew he was behind talk early. We thought he was probably behind brown at least started camp. He came into this game after john kelly. I i'd like to see something more from him. This week the offensive line let him down on a bunch of the plays including the catch for negative five yards the lyman just whiffed on the block and defender for the raiders concealed yeah he was in with the band yeah right. He was playing with john kelly right like i don't. I don't know he had a couple of seven yard runs. I'm not ready to say that he's <hes> a a total bust but it is a little harder to take him in that round seven type of range and going back to ronald jones. I was just thrilled that he was. You know oh playing like looking good fighting for yardage and not playing with any hesitation. It's a one eighty from where he was at this time last year when he looked like he was scared football. The other thing about henderson is is that girlie being healthy right. You know i mean a lot of people are drafting henderson with the hope that girl he's going to you know have his need to load on the field so far that'd be weird. That would be bad. That'll be bad every benchmark that he's done that the rams dave you know the last time somebody's knee exploded on the field. Yes i do friday died right right yeah l._a. Versus cleveland and then mcgahey do that after the i've talked yes but are very very i've talked about the last boy scout andy dalton through nine nine passes four of them went to tyler boyd so three or four on the drive played out of the slide only twenty five yards <hes> and i think he'd drop op one but yeah that's that's all they want to try and get some of their other receivers. Going on tape made a great play. Greg cody core gore was involved alex erickson later on at a good game. I mean rat a good play rather but i i was encouraged by that and if he's going to get volume like that you know he's gonna be great p._r. Is he going to do that with a degree on the field and joe mixon he did last year with a._j. Girl i'm not saying he didn't but but you know that that percentage target. I don't think we'll uh-huh now but he was he struggled without a._j. Green on the field last year and i think that was mostly because gestures goal was the quarterback so that's why i wanted to point out. I think that you could get some really really amazing. <hes> early season production from from tyler boyd and we're talking about tomorrow also ronald reagan. We have trade trade what we really after another tight end. Oh he's got another tight end eric salver from the falcons exchange very conditional seventh round the blocker wonderful forty-five tight ends on their roster at what a nice way to <hes> to end the show. Thank you to pra listening to wide receivers preview part one of course we will get into average position tomorrow on part to <hes> <hes> and we'll talk to you we have we have we have a listener. Oh <hes> her name is beth patriot. Thank you appreciate it all right. Thank you beth jamie. What are you talking instead. I gotta go.

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EP 79: Female Directed Films

Tony the Movie Guy

1:24:54 hr | 1 year ago

EP 79: Female Directed Films

"Hello, and welcome to another new episode of, Tony the movie guy, the podcast, this week's episode has filmmaker Cora Linda on the show with Tony to discuss her passion of film and discussed their favorite movies directed by women. Enjoy. Welcome back. Tobruk. Todd cost. Cost. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to a brand new episode of Tony the movie guy, and my guest tonight, this is a double feet CIA. I've had these wonderful couple who flown out to Los Angeles. And I'm really lucky to have them on this show. You heard Spacey, and I chat all about film documentaries. And that was a real blast of an episode because I think we actually succeeded in making documentaries sound fun. And now his lovely wife Cora, who's a filmmaker we're going to talk about films directed by women. Hi cora. Hi, tony. I'm really happy to have you on the show. I'm really happy and nervous to be here. Don't be nervous. This is like a little homely fun. Totally laid back and relaxed podcasts. And with look we love is a film, and with going to chat and talk about film and somehow make it entertaining. You know, I'm gone like seventy five seventy six episodes, people seem to like it. So, you know, I'm gonna keep going until people. Tell me this stop, which hopefully is never. But I, I actually loved this subject. So first of all, tell me about you core because you're a filmmaker. So what do you do? How did you get started? What's your passion? What's your inspiration? That's herald about it. My who. I know that was like a load. You're on the spot is April, and I'm just kidding. So my name's Cora. I am a filmmaker. I started out in actually set construction and set design who are really longtime ago, and I am actually a certified set rigor. See what does that mean specific? It means that if you needed to build a fifty foot concert stage, I could you can do that. That's impressive. So that, yeah, that was fun. And then I. Started getting into art direction and art design, and then production design and production design is anything that has to do with the look of the film. Right. I'm wolf Amelia with that actual. Yeah. So some people hire production designer all they want them to do is like, hang curtains that they already picked out and sometimes a production designer is fully involved casting lighting choices. Wardrobe hairstyles makeup props set every everything anything that visually is going to bring the film to life. They work with the director to create that vision. So I was doing that for years and years and years. And then almost exactly four years ago. I directed my first short film. Well, I had done like two short films with like friends in our backyard, like whatever. But my first real like it had a budget registered with side location permits. The felt like more official. Yeah. There, there was money involved. Bunnies on the line. I got that. And that was pretty cool. It premiered in August two thousand sixteen at the first festival. Where is the action on film festival? It used to be in Monrovia now, it's in Las Vegas and the name of the show. Other short film is called names on the wall. Oh, yeah. I sold up. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. That do my research. That film, went on to win so many awards. It was almost like unbe Wellman. Yeah. I was like, because of my first time directing like, so I'm actually talented. It was no it was more like holy crap. Can I do this again? Like is this just like can apparently I can because I've done a bunch of films since. That's awesome. But yeah, so you consider yourself a filmmaker first and foremost. Is that correct by now? That's really your passion. Yeah. I used to be very adamant about being a production designer even want to start a directing, right? And I was kind of being like a producer production designer, and then I got into directing, and I've kind of started writing some on a couple of shorts that we've done. I've either co written or written or helped develop the writing on. But now I've got like a bunch. I am db writer credits, which is kinda cool. Awesome. So also do work at hit record. Joseph, Gordon Levitt scum. They do do work. That what do you, not as cool as my husband, he's like an official curator like handpicked by Joe but are equal. No, I'm just a lowly community member. I when I feel like making something I'll make something I don't think there's anything the about that will. But no. It's cool. Hit records changed a lot. And now it's just more of a creative creative space, but which is fantastic. Yeah, it's really a safe place to just make art to learn and grow and, and collaborate, and find people to collaborate with I every single one of my films actually involves in a major part, I hit recorder who isn't just my husband, like, obviously, my husband, but my second film bringer of war, all the nation on that was done by a guy named Seth bang. On on in regard. Yeah. So, yeah. I don't know how much want me to talk about that. Oh, that's fantastic. Got nothing to be nervous about because I, I see your passion, keep working, I wish you all the best. I'm sure you're going to go on to do great things just keep creating. That's what it's all about. Hey, that's why I do this show. Man, people apparently just liked to him. He talk about film right about films, and I'll keep doing that, hopefully until they keep paying me and other things, but also first and foremost, because I love it and I would do it anyway. You know what I mean totally so I, I love the subject to picked, which wasn't even that hard for me. Because look, you would think that in this metro weld of Hollywood, you know, and metoo and everything going on now. You chose films directed by women this list. Surprisingly wasn't that hard for me. Because many of the films genuinely on this list of some of my favorite films of all time, films, I can watch over and over again and films almost in every genre as well. Which kind of surprised me. I was like, wow. You know, directed by women who can do action like no other who can do comedy. Who can do doc messed up weird films like no other. So I'm excited to go through. It was a it was a great topic to choose thanks to you. So we'll go through on this. You have your own less, which, I know you really put your heart and soul into it was a door of hearing, our know, you're really working this over for the lost. A couple of months because this has been a long time coming doing these, these shows I'm really happy that we made it happen. Then me we got you in Spacey on the podcast. So we're going to go through our hand pick lists of movies directed by women. You're the guest ladies first who? All right. Well, I was going to go in alphabetical order, and I still am. But to be interesting. I'm gonna go in backwards, and you can go have a, you just couldn't figure out how to categorize the is because they're kind of all over the place. And that's okay. My list again. It's just kind of off the top of my head. Sure. So. These are ones, I tried to pick because obviously, there's some films that you knew safe home directed by women. And there's immediately five that, like anyone's going name. Well, the funny thing is sorry to interrupt you wouldn't. And this is kind of, again, maybe an example of kind of Hollywood, and how maybe some do consider it sexist because you wouldn't kind of think off the top of your head you'd be able to name movies directed by women. That is true. It should be way more plentiful, but it is kind of not shocking, but just kind of cool when you look at these foams up with art by women that everyone loves anyway. Back to, you know. No, I do I love that. And they're definitely a couple on here where my husband was like, what about this film, because he knew that I loved the film, and I was like, wait what like rise. Almost a woman directed that damn rushing. And I, I have like a big thing on being called like a female filmmaker like a female director because I consider myself a director and filmmaker. So the first one that I have is a little film called Yandell proper stripe. Right. So this film is near and dear to my heart for many reasons, one being that I'm also Jewish Yehiel to me is a really really powerful story. I'm sure many people haven't seen it, but it's basically about a woman who wants to study like the highest forms of Jewish learning which is forbidden, if you're female, and you're in the most orthodox kind of portions of Judaism. So she literally disguises herself as a man and goes to study. And you can only imagine being disguised as a man, she's gonna run into something what's gonna go down. She literally ends up getting married like the li- go, so far, that she ends up marrying this woman, and she's like, like I look, I won't I have to admit, I haven't seen the film, but I've heard of it. Yeah. And I know it was a film. She made like when she was at the height of her fame. So she was able to write produce directly home. Why the big film when that came out and it's, it's. Really beautiful and it's very powerful, and there's lots of little things like you know, she goes to her bride on their wedding night, and she can tell the bride's like terrified, and, you know, like this is a traditional marriage the girl's a virgin and she's like, look, you know, if you don't want to in the bride is so relieved. She's like, really like you know, we can get to that, like inter head. She's like, I don't know. To this. But she's just trying to buy yourself time. And one of the things they do is like, kind of stand up having like this sort of, like pillow fight, like kind of laughing. Whatever one of the things they do is they pour wine on the bed sheets. Traditionally, you have to present the bloody sheets to the girl's father. Oh, my really. Yeah. That's an actual things and actual thing. So it's little details like that. I'm a big fan of like I love like tradition, and like understanding like culture and things like that. So to see things culturally, worked into a story because you wouldn't know that, you know, as a general rule in this, you're annoyed. Yeah. So that's one of the things that I love about Gentles. There's so many little teeny, tiny things that's just kind of like worked into the story and it's just a beautiful story about this woman's devotion to God and her beliefs. And the fact that she's literally willing to live a complete and total lie. And I kind of feel like it Kosta, you know, it can go beyond art and open up dialogue about, you know, what point in our society. Do we draw a line? At what point do we have to force someone into this corner, because of how they feel or whatever? And I just I love films like that because I feel like they speak to more than just the thing that they're. So it's personal to you, and you successfully raised my interest, because one of those films, I've always heard about. But I didn't really didn't even know what it was about. Oh, it's brilliant, and it's hilarious. I mean you can only imagine Barbra Streisand just as a man, like I did. That was the plot. She has a best friend and he likes the girl and she has to marry the girl and she's like this is so messed up. That's great. Yeah. It's awesome. All right, good. So I'm gonna go full match. Oh a mine. I mean, this is literally one of my all time favorite films. And this director to me is one of the greatest directors full-time, which is point break. Kathryn Bigelow is that on your list? I intentionally did not put the online, right? Not only did I know it would be on yours. But one of the thing that gets me as I feel like there's such a neat like the, the not female directors. But the films directed by women that are known like I said anyone can name off five, but you want to know what that funny, the no, that's a good point. Core so many people don't know that this is the top three on my list. Look, strange days and point break. Everyone knows her for the hut. Look, right. People are shocked when I tell them that she directed the original and you have to say the original point break because the seek the remits not mentioned lease. No do not credit. Her Keanu Reeves is Johnny Utah, right? Patrick Swayze is Bodey, which is just such an incredible Barreau film action film directed by a woman who's just bad ass. And she did knit Dhaka's, while the vampire film and strange days to me is so underrated produced by James Cameron with Juliette Lewis and Raphael. She just she does phenomenal movie. So I get what you're saying completely, but I do find interesting. Everyone knows for the hut. Lock. Right. Won an Oscar, which to me, it's a good film, but it's not her best little, but like point break, I tell know, a lady direct to that, like, no it's, it's just such a damn good film. I respect what you're saying. But I just think it's cool that she stands among some of the, the best kind of action adrenaline, you know, directed films that are out there. Yeah, a good director running. Yeah. So that's my what you got. Okay. Awesome. So I'm going to go up one, and this is probably one of the reasons why I wanted to go in reverse alphabetical order wonder woman, Patty Jenkins. Oh, yeah. It's on my list figures. Yeah. So one of my favorite favorite favorite favorite things about that foam us, Ivan, the fact that it is absolutely hilarious. And obviously, you know, the lead actress, but yes, who's actually great is one the woman perfection, but beyond just being this gorgeous beautiful. She's actually really good. She is in the role and what I love about wonder woman more than anything else is. I firmly like there, so many people who try men and women who try to make these like feminist films, where women are being strong or women are this and it's usually at the expense of men. Right. And that to me is like that silly, like why? So then in four generations, men can have an uprising. Like just like we like, I feel like women are strong enough to coexist. And I love the fact that she gets litter this band of Mary men that she's the leader of, but it's a strong woman with strong men who are supporting this strong woman, and that she supporting and then it goes into, like these crazy like this giant, God's CG fight sequence with explosions, and helicopters of like, yeah. And it's and she has so much heart. And she's such, she so shocked by like the evil of the world that, like you kind of feel like she would never think. Oh because you're a blah, blah, I'm supposed to blah, blah. That's what I thought she did so well in the sense. Yeah, she's being, you know, in this island famous gara- like isolated from the rest of the world. And I thought like in addition to just being this beautiful woman, she played that innocence, even though she so powerful so, well, and hook chemistry with Chris pine. He's fantastic in this. So the way they play off each other was just so well done. It really was. And I loved, how strong he was, and how they didn't take away her heart, right? And I feel like that to me, made her stronger because, you know, it's like in my opinion, if you can shut off all your emotions and be strong. That's not as hard as still feeling and being strong because you have to fight through the feelings too strong. I, I love how no I agree. And I love how wonder woman kind of unified men and women that was would a perfect film for a couple to go see. Oh, yeah. Because it was re. No, it was lovely to see how much this foment to women. Obviously, I mean one the woman female lead a big, but it's also just a bad ass film. Just it's a great movie. You know, I I thoroughly enjoyed it. I enjoy that way more than I thought I was because I didn't really grow up reading wonder woman, but it was really well done. So I enjoyed that and I'm stealing from Patty Jenkins. My next one monster, you know. You know what's funny about once the I've seen that movie one time, and I only need to see at one time, and I've never forgotten that, like, it's you've seen Munster of horse. Okay. So the monster is Patty Jenkins. Yeah. She's only directed like to film. Yeah. Monster in one the woman. Yeah. And they couldn't be more different. Monster is about a real life serial killer, cooled alienware, NASA something played by Charlie stir on who won an Oscar who completely transforms for the role and is such a intimate roll film, with a performance. That is just so staggering that you have to watch it like it so captivating. And I it's so good. But obviously, it's, you know, it's not like ooh, Saturday morning, viewing, you know, but I, I love it, and it's, it's really well directed really well, put together Christina reiki as well. Coast ause, fantastic film. I, I highly recommend monster. That's us. Awesome. All right. What's next few? So the next phone that I have is a documentary called unrest, by a filmmaker named Jen brea, never heard about tell me, so it premiered at Sundance is a couple years. Okay premiered in two thousand seventeen okay? And it was actually shortlisted for an Oscar for documentary won best documentary at Sundance, and it was shortlisted following that. So Jen is a woman who was at Princeton ah doing bike, postgraduate or something like that she'd graduated from Harvard. And she met her husband also going to Princeton very very, very intelligent couple, and she got sick and she didn't get better. And she didn't know why it's about a disease called. Myalgia encephalitis. Okay. So basically, Jen started like going to doctors and doctors like, oh, you're distressed. It's this the other, and she was like this is weird. She's like, I'm a very intelligent person in this does not make sense. And she started researching it and started finding people all over the world that had this disease that apparently is actually twice as common as amass. But it isn't for some reason, like. Science just can't figure it out. It's a lot more Seville. It's a I want to say it's not more severe than I'm asked because it's it just different is a different disease. You know, it's like, how do you say, what's more severe cancer or aids? You know like. But it it's completely debilitating. It just it redefines your life, and it potentially destroys your life. And she made this beautiful documentary from her bed wall, like trying to figure out everything and like she tells the story of these people who just they she started a campaign called millions missing. So what happens is people get sick. And they just kind of disappear from their life and everyone else keeps living but doesn't realize because they're not dead. They're just sick and they're not getting better. Yeah. And there's been outbreaks throughout history. There's like polio like diseases and different, you know, pockets, where people will get sick and it's not even like where you could say, oh, well, it's everybody in this town, and that's it. It's like a woman in England guy in Canada girl in New York, like people who have nothing in common. No demographic relation at all. No, common DNA. They're not, you know, living a similar lifestyle where they. Could, you know someone could be like oh, it's just because they're this or whatever. And it, there's a whole portion of the documentary that talks about how the mental health field has been like kind of adamant that it's just a, a mental disease. But when you do blood tests, when you do physical tests, the test, or abnormal, like it's you can't say it's in your head when there's something physically wrong. Hold on resthe. It's called unrest. And it's like this, it started this whole movement, all around the world, both of like recognition of the disease and research into the disease and Jen actually just moved into remission from it. She found out that she had a I can't pronounce it. But it's an instability of her cranium that was like pushing on her spinal cord and that was, what was giving her the symptoms specifically. So she's doing better that. So she's doing better nuts go. Yeah. It's, it's really good. It is. I mean look this is why you make films. I'm glad there's a platform for it, but I can tell it's hot few the talk about I want to. This entertaining. But also, that's great. That, that's a platform and people can learn about it. You know where is it available? It's currently I believe on net flicks could actually if you're in the medical field. You can watch it as part of your continued education. And I think it's also on Amazon. If you just go to if you Google unrest. It's all the platforms are there. Okay. I can tell the house all of meaning to you. So now my next one feels kind of to put in that, but no, no, that's okay. So this one's a bit of a cheat my next one, but it's one of my all time favorite films. It's actually a film duo. It's a and bowdoin and Ryan Fleck who coincidentally enough, just directed captain marvel but they did this beautiful independent film, that really put Ryan Gosling on the map, cooled off Nelson. You've seen that movie. I haven't but I've heard of it incredible movie. He's a teacher. It's about drug addiction and it's just his it's his intimate relationship with this. This kid, one of his students, it's just a beautiful film. And you know, whenever people talking about. Ooh, guzzling and his muscles. I'm like go back to this film. His performance is stunning. You know, he got an Oscar nomination for I it's unlike anything else he's done it such a beautiful film. It's, it's fantastic cooled off Nelson. Check that one out yet. It's brilliant. They also did. It's kind of a funny story, which is about this guy who's in the psych ward for a week. Another incredible movie really, really with a what's his name Zach galvanic owes who gives us up prising -ly like raw and dramatic performance, which is, again another film. It's kind of went under a radar. So again, a bit of a cheek because it's like a it's a lady in a guy and go down. Right Ryan Fleck, but really good films. So that's mine. Okay. So this is a bigger film, but I'm taking it for a very specific reason, and that his twilight, but Katherine Hardwick good film, man, I everyone rags on. Highlight. I saw the first one like three times in this. I won't lie. I've mentioned that many times on the podcasts going. I okay. So I loved this film. When I saw one of my friends, I was not in twilight, I hadn't read the books or anything. And when one of my friends was here, my friend. She was a girl I worked with wedge, just met. And she was like you, you're gonna love this film. You should go see this. So I went and saw it. And I was like raving about it before, I'd heard any of the critic reviews or whatever I loved the production design. I didn't know actually that Katherine Hardwick started as a production designer. But I loved the styling, like everything down to like the Cullens house. The baseball scene, I thought was brilliant. She right. The sound the use of editing the camera like there was so many incredible aspects to it and then the, the dance the ballet studio when Bellas getting like chased by the guy, the end writing that scene with, I mean, okay. Anyone who's ever shot anything with in a room full of mirrors? That's like a nightmare. Now you're going to add in, like wires end action sequence. And fight sequences and fire and like all this stuff. And like, just as a film, I just thought it was great. Like India's like book I saw that film, with a guy and we loved it. But I remember when, you know, Bella and Edward the lying in the, you know, the daisy fields and he's old sparkling enshrining. We looked over each other. And I it's a this is a routine joke on the podcasts. We've just looked over each other. And we're like, hey, man. Then we went back and saw it again. I mean it created the phenomenon but the first Bill, I mean, the soundtrack the music the Khariaga RAFI really, it's a, it's a really well, put together film and I thoroughly enjoy the first one. So it's a great choice. Thank you. There's a couple of other reasons why I picked that one. The first aspect of it is, she was actually given a very tight budget to work with. And because no one knew how big it was going to be. So she a big hit. Yeah. So she was given this, like little, and she had to make that work. And like it wasn't like you know you talk about like Justin Lin, you know, and literally he's like I wanna flip a bus. What do you need? He's like a million dollars like go for it like, don't get it just it's a very different. And don't get me wrong. Justin Lin fought. You know, he started in indie film, he moved over. But. Aside from that Catherine heartache was the first female director of a major, what would have been a franchise. Apparently, she didn't do the second one, because it was too quick of a turnaround, and she just her own integrity. She's like I can't do this. It's not gonna work. That's right. They didn't well they also didn't give a full creative control. But aside from that, when she stepped down. They didn't hire another woman, but then neither did the hunger games. Neither did marvel neither did divergent neither did. They're all these huge franchises and not a single one of them like she was like, right there. And then even though there's so many female directors out there not no one. Like kind of step in and for me that's kind of a big deal. And I feel like it kind of doesn't get talked about enough that woman started this whole thing because like, if the first twilight bombed there, it never would have gone anywhere without film sucked, that would have been, it will his was interesting. The I'm a fan of Catherine Hartwick. I well, I followed all the news when she didn't come back because I've seen the her other two films are on my list. Thirteen. Okay. Is a it's a good film. Oh, it's a good film, with Holly hunter. Evan Rachel wood, and also that's written by one of the girls, whose one of the vampires in twilight forgotten her name the pretty girl, she's. Wrote thirteen with a but lords of dog town. I love I adore that film. It's all about, you know, the Doug town e boys, the birth of skateboarding LA, and Jay Roach and Stacy Peralta again, directed by Kathryn, Hahn wiccan. It's the most bro, you know, do. It's just awesome. You know. And she just she had the vision for perfectly. So this is where you're right. A male director a female. How about just a an artist right? You know because she just she had the perfect vision for this film, and it so good. If you seen loads of town, I haven't been done none. It's worth checking out eagerly not into skateboarding 'cause it's a really good film, salsa. Got an incredible performance from the late and great heath ledger. Oh, yeah. A male Hirsch. I it's just a phenomenal film, and I love it. So Catherine hawk wick is someone that is always on my radar. And I wanna see do more because she's she's. Is so talented. She really and truly is so twilights a great peck. All right. Back to you. Okay. So the next one is actually one that I didn't realize his on the special mention list for my husband's, but three or six Hollywood. Oh, okay. So tell me about that. He mentioned he did documentary. Right. Yup. And I am hurriedly both dyslexic. And I learned most of my vocabulary growing up by reading not by hearing. So I'm really bad at pronouncing words, so Alon and Jonathan Bulgarian. I think is their last name doing pretty good, brother sister, so three. Oh, six Hollywood is the first documentary to screen in the next category at Sundance. So it is this Wes Anderson style excavation, like archaeological sort of exploration into their grandmothers life. She lived at a house of in it's phenomenal. It's both visually beautiful. Title, and it's almost like whimsical and playful while still being very deep and moving. I mean it's sad. It's about, you know, their grandmother died, and they're going through her house. And she I guess it's like a real tribute. It is. And they, they mix in, you know, live footage of, you know, they they're filmmakers, so they were always like videoing, the grandmom like interviewing her. And she gives us like incredible life advice, and she's just hilarious. You wanna like you like want to, like, yeah. Like so it came out in two thousand eighteen at Sundance. So it had some limited, the article runs, I believe. And it it's, it's just it's a very interesting in different way of making a documentary fascinating. Yeah. And it's they have like the cinematography that they do the sound design the visuals. There's a whole like their grandmother was addressed designer, and she would make these dresses. And she they had the dresses as part of what they, you know, were, you know, going through the house. Now this whole section with like a dance. Number. Like, I feel like documentary filmmaking has become kind of a new way of, of telling stories and not your traditional, like a documentary in like your standard documentary, and like nineteen sixty five is not your documentary today and tell the story now. Yeah. And I feel like three or six Hollywood. It, it all just redefines how to tell a documentary film, and how to both visually like even just the cinematic elements. There's some sort of like fantastical elements like a doll house. They made of, of the actual house. There's this like telescope that they made there's scenes where they use like tape-recording like it just, it's this very beautiful and interesting way of making a film that I'd never seen before. I'm definitely in the check. That went on. Okay. This great pick. Okay. Good. Next one for me American psycho. So this is Mary Harron who I, I don't understand why hasn't done more. I think American psycho is a fun, nominal film. Have you seen this movie? So. So I am a very not fan of anything horror thriller, you really should watch this movie then say, no, I'm not saying you have to. But this film caught me off God for that exact reason I am not into horror little now. I like silence of the lambs type things. But I, I wasn't into this film at all at I and my friends, what you gotta watch it. I look, I'm not I'm not forcing you to watch a little, but I'm telling you, it is so unique at an so original and the way it's done. It is hilarious while being demented, and twisted Christian bale gives a tower to force performance. It's so good. It's based on the quiet and the claim book but anyway, you'll probably never see it. And that's okay. But it really is fantastic. And it is it's directed by female, and it really this, really compounds the point, you're bringing up the I couldn't agree with you more. Kinda mentioned, you know, a, a male writer female rights were it's autism what you know. And that's what that's what I like it. When I looked to my list. One thing I really noticed that. I mentioned that the beginning is that so many great films in so many different genres. You know, directed by women anyway. American psycho. I it's it holds up so well to me, I've watched multiple times in the is a very heavy film. It's very twisted and demented. But it so tongue in cheek it, so satirical and like funny, but uncomfortably. Anyway. That's my pick. No. I've definitely heard of it. And I definitely know that it's, it's an incredible incredible film. And most people would have no idea. It was to buy a woman, which is kinda crazy. Yeah. Okay. So my next one is the intern, oh with Anne Hathaway. Oh, my wife loves that movie. See my direct that's Nancy miles. Okay. Well, she's a legendary director and writer, and it's my opinion that the intern is one of the most underrated films ever as my wife actually today. But not just because it's funny and it's brilliant. It's this, it's that, but like, again, I you know, some of these films either meet a lot to me, or I feel like they're very kind of like sociologically important or relevant. We have in our society, and I feel like maybe probably since like the rebellion of the hippies have been generations of rejection of our elders. You know, the hippies rejected the conservatism of their parents, and then the yuppies rejected the wild craziness of the hippies and generation x was like screw you all. So my generation right now, the millennials are very much like, I'm twenty and I know everything and the thing is, there's something to be said for knowledge and experience and. You know, all the college degrees in the world are not going to give you world experience and this film, for me the like the intern like he comes back, and he kind of goes back to work in joins us workforce of like you mentioned. So, and how is this young? You know, bright lady who's a CEO and Robert deniro plays this, like old wise man, who's like interning for her. So is a very unique kind of concept active and I, I just I really feel like it, you know, you don't really ever talk about this. Like the value of our elders. Like people just, you know, you, they look at their parents are like Mara, whatever, but, like, then, like I see my friends with their kids, and I'm like, do you really think your parents were anywhere? But where you are right now as far as like your head space in dealing with this and another thing that I really love about it is, we're constantly trying to reinvent the wheel and forgetting that the cars. Going for a while now. Maybe we should just be building on it and not to say we shouldn't ever innovate and change. But of course, there's something to be said for the respect of the existing knowledge and growing on top of that. And then also sometimes we want things like to be just right. You know, like an investor is going to come in and gonna save. The company may need to hire a CEO because she was the creator. But the truth of the matter is, maybe the way she's running her company isn't like out of business school textbook, but she's doing amazing. And she doesn't need somebody to come in and take over the company for her. Because sometimes you know, you can do it right by Deming the rules and doing it. I mean, that's how I got into film how most people who succeed and have right through the rebels. Yeah. And it's so it's kind of like for me the film opens like a bit of a dialogue on the dichotomy between the respect of existing knowledge and the relationship between young and old and. And the disrespect for the enforced like this is how it has to be. And I feel like that kind of central balances really like the healthiest place to be, and the film to me, just really speaks to that. So it was a much more thoughtful dive into that film, sweet tend to film, I'll give you that is my wife loves it. But it was great. Okay, good. So his next on my list, I mean, Wayne's world Penelope, spirits. No. I, I mean this film, is it? So talk about generation axe it. So of that generation, you know, the main I just, I don't know. I love it. I think it's fantastic. And again, I'm surprised this director didn't go on to do a lot more. But I mean I loved that move. I know your take on that. But it's just now it's hilarious. I've is it's like Paul the my life. No. It is. It's definitely. I mean, I've, I know the cultural references from the film long before I ever even saw the film, and it's one of the films that isn't. It on my list, because it's like one of those like I didn't put the hurt locker on. I did you know, like, but go by you know it is just I want your time. It's a classic and also I want the listeners. I want people note. You know, a lady directed that. Right. I mean, because again, I know it is interesting because as I said, when those going to us like some of these, I didn't know that, I'll be totally honest, I didn't know that. And some of the other ones on my list, I was like, wow, that's so cool because it's such a great film that she universally known them beloved by men and women in a and it really like, I don't know, I'll go to second tangent. I grew up with a very supportive. Very progressive family. That was very like you can do anything, and it never dawned on me that, like, because I'm a girl I can or can't do a thing or because a boy and it's like I don't know, just to me, like, you know, you see these lists of films and they're just made by incredible directors. And that's it. That's it. That's why. It is. It's not all right. Cool. What she got next? So the next one that I have is to Lula by Sean header, what's this about to Lula premiered at Sundance several years ago, it was actually based on a short film that the director did at af I on and the short film was called mother? And the I'll tell you this short film is a young girl who lives in her van who is homeless, and wandering the halls of the Ellen page film. Yup. Oh, I saw okay. Goes quite rings. Allison Janney, and Ellen page. Yeah. Yeah. Really good. Very different role. Allen pay. Right. So it opens with this girl wandering the halls about tell getting breakfast food off the trays stills baby. Yeah. And, and basically steals a baby. But the mother of the baby is completely drunk and clearly not taking care. She thinks that Ellen is a babysitter and leaves with this random girl like leaves the baby. Anyway, it's an incredible film. Well, worth seeing aside from just having its moments of hilarity and heart. To me it like. There's this, like question of what does it mean to be a mother, is it the biological act of conceiving, a cell in your body, that you grow and push out of your body? And now it's a human or like who's a better mother for this child is at the homeless girl in the van. Is it the girls boyfriend's mom that she's, like, by the way, kind of lets her think that this is, you know, Allison Janney? Yeah. Great incredible. And Allison Janney has her own problems as a mom. And you know is she any better because she's older? Does that mean she's a better mom, and then the real mom is like freaking out trying to find her baby in the social worker, as like looking at this mother and she's like, how did you lose your child? And it just really poses question of what does it mean to be a mother? And at what point are you an actual mother? And I think that's a really important conversation to have. And I think that it's really awesome at this film kind of brings that up. And it also touches on a couple of other things in ways that you wouldn't expect like Allison's. Husband in the film leaves her for another man. And she has his monologue where she's like really upset because she was in love with this guy, and it really hurt her, and she's like, everyone's talking about how brave he is. But what did he do to me like, and I feel like their conversations that we don't have repercussions, right? And, and because it's not politically correct. And you know you shouldn't hold somebody back. Well, you shouldn't hold somebody back. But that doesn't mean that someone shaft internalize their grief when they're hurt of cool. You know, like it's, it's okay, good. He's, you know, clearly not in love with you. He should be with, you know, the man he loves, but you have a right to your emotions, too, and it's the woman's. Yeah, come on. Yeah, you know, and so it just feels like there's, there's a lot of the repercussions of your actions, and I feel like the film touches on that note in a bunch of different ways in a very beautiful way. And yeah, I just I love that film. It's a good one deepen heavy hopeful and way, smaller than how I cannot relate it. And of course, my next one is. Flu lewis. I amy. I'm on that as if it's a classic right? But that's why because clueless redefined culture like book, pop culture and shifted it. And it's so powerful language ways of dressing. Clothing. Matching your gum with your outfit clowns liquor stores. Just a couple of drive there. Everyone takes pictures and stuff. They like they get so much business because it's featured in the film, especially got mugged. Right. Yeah. But that's the like it to me. And sorry, I'm totally like just usurping. Oh, this is on your friend. But like it, it speaks to the power of film, and I feel like you know, it's this funny coming of age comedy that should have just been another. I mean mean, girls sort of did this a little bit of it makes way. And it and it, it didn't influence, I think influence society way more and it to me it, just genuinely speaks to the power of film in the power of art, and deciding no disrespect on, being actually isn't a bad. Now it's hilarious clueless a small film. I it's funny and it's, it's almost strange. When you say that out loud, but it really is what? It's a very smart, witty film. The screenplay the script is brilliant. You know that the I mean it's a satire, almost on, like LA society and stuff. Brilliant, music. It's very well written and big breakthrough performance from SilverStone, and then also got bless a Brittany Murphy is great. And I mean it really is. I mean, I yeah, exactly. Memeber ages. It's so scary when it really is. I love that movie unabashedly. I mean, I saw it when it came out like twenty years ago and it's just as entertaining now. So I agree with you completely. You know. That's why it's on my list. All right. What you gone. Okay. So I'm going to go. I was in this little pocket here. So I also bow ties my lists. But after two Lula had obvious child. Oh, okay. I'm not a fan of that film. I mean it was so acclaimed people love it. Maybe it's because I'm not a fan of the actress, and she wrote and directed it right. No Jenny slate Jenny didn't know it was it was directed by Gillian. Rob. Speier. Oh, okay. I didn't know who that is. I think maybe I'm not a fan of Jenny slate. My wife likes movie that was critically acclaimed movie. So the floors you'll so this is one that I sought Sundance and I have raved about it ever since and people loved this movie. I'm sorry. No, no. No. I then saw the net flicks. When I reward different. Yes. Okay. And either I'm a different person. And I'm seeing it differently or very, very often. Because at Sundance like films aren't even rated. You can show anything then the distributors pick it up. They go you need to clean this. You need to tighten this, you need to change this such a process. It's it is. And in my opinion, the heart of that story got slaughtered, when he went to distribution. Yes. So maybe I saw the final version. Yeah. And, and I actually even then it was very critically acclaimed. Oh, yeah. And it's very you know, it's a comedy about abortion. So to do that at all is like whoa. But the I just didn't find the current to likable out. Oh, that was my problem. I couldn't get invested and I understand that she again, like all of my things are like the movies really touched me or they really hit me, or whatever, obviously, I'm pro choice, that's kind of a given. But it much I shouldn't say, obviously, I know a lot of women that are. Aren't when I first saw the film on Sundance to me it opened up like I'm a responsible pro-choice person I do not see abortion as a form of birth control. Like I think that's ridiculous. And I could go on and on and on about the problems that we have with birth control being available about the ridiculous loops that women get through, if they want to get their tubes tied like you have to write an essay to get your tubes tied. You have to get seen by a psychiatrist like you can't just go to your doctor, you one of his ectomy you go walk in and get it. I want my tubes tied. I have to prove why I'm ready to get my tubes tied like it's anyway. So this film to me when I saw it, it showed, like the responsibility involved in that choice and what it means to your life, and what that relationship with the guy means and what the guy, you know, being involved not involved. You I tell him do I not tell him and there were two very powerful monologues. I remembered, where it was her friend or her sister who was talking about a legal abortion, that she had had. Had. And when I saw it, I had the impression that it kinda haunted her, it was the right thing to do, but it wasn't like, you know, just popped a pill and I'm fine. Like that's not something you just go do like it messes with you. And I you know, I will say, I have taken plan B and it only once and it even that messes with my head, it's, it's, it's it does something to you. And at the same time, I know women who've had abortions were completely fine from it, and you find out there's another character who had to have an illegal abortion, and the repercussions of that on her. And in my opinion, if you're not absolutely for legal abortions by the end of this film, you are not human, but you have to also understand the responsibility involved and the all the things that can be done before it gets to that point. And in the film, she gets an I'm gonna totally spoil it. I'm sorry, but she gets an abortion, and I feel like they cut the scene. Shorter in the version that I saw may have just been that it was so, like, oh, my gosh. On the big screen, she's literally there and you hear the sound and she's just laying there crying. And it is so. Like there's just so many different layers. And at the same time, the movies, like somehow, they take this film and make it whole areas like the only day. Probably block out. Serve much deeper into your like you know, I love it. I, hey, I respect to and look each to their own. Everyone has their opinions. I respect tools and very passionate about it. But I'm sorry, I get, you know, I'm the one who's like, oh man mine's just like boosts, so fun. And you're like you know you're very passionate. I love it. It's great. And look, you can watch these rooms from that viewpoint where it really resonates with you, and I have films like that share, I have felt like dead poet's society is a film that is far more. It's my favourite film of all time for many reasons share there were so many intimate things about it. You know what I mean backed by women's? He can't talk about an I'm dumb. But no, so I really get where you're coming from. I feel still a bit ashamed. And I like I said, this is a very carefully curated list. Yeah. That not only did I love because literally like this guy walks in and she's like in the bookstore and they're packing. And she liked curls up in the box. Unlike puts the flop down, she's just like it's just I don't know. There's just things that are just very funny and very real and very like it. Yeah. Corey you might go out. I love it. It's fantastic. It's then I you know, I don't know how. That's great. And maybe I should watch that, again, I, I wonder if that's like I wonder if you buy on, Blu Ray or something like a next uncut version, though, something, I just, I remember I watched that film, it just kind of came and went for me. I couldn't get invested in her character that soul. I will say when I saw it, this last time I was disappointed and it wasn't what I remembered. So I was curious about reaching out to the filmmaker and finding out if there was a different if they had to change it for distribution because there is I'll just like random just like shout out to all the indie filmmakers out there. Indie filmmakers are trying to tell stories distributors are trying to make money, right? And very different very different purpose. And the indie film story. Sometimes gets altered, even if only slightly to fit what they think is going to sell I hear them, and it was a very hard, hitting film. When I saw it, I totally see a distributor like being like rotten, we're gonna we're gonna dial that back. All right. That's obvious child. Yes. All right. Good choice. I'm glad you a passionate about. Okay, next me and other to this is another kind of acclaimed female director. Soapy cappella obviously have lost in translation. I don't know if that's on your list when as at such a win nine or. When I was a fan of Lou wasn't a fan of. It's so funny how this foam has grown on me. It's aged like a fine wine to me when it was at the top of its hype, I thought it was aboard fest. Oh, wow. I I watched it. And I was like, I don't get it. Now, I don't know if it's because I'm older and wiser, I don't know now, it's quite a beautiful film. You know the, the intimacy between Bill Murray and Scott. Scott johnson. I it's quite it's quite beautiful. I do enjoy it. However, the film of that I actually chose which I think, is really underrated is Marianne Tonet. Oh, you know, have you seen that it's with Kirsten Dunst? It's directed by Sofia cappella and I mean it's about Marianne Tonet, and it set in like this gorgeous lavish French during the French revolution. Hundreds of years ago with like an eighties. Punk music soundtrack. Jason schwartzman. In this, Henry Cavill, in this Tom hotties in this movie before they were known. It's a really quirky almost like a whiz ended San movie. I'm trying to figure out why. Because I I've seen ads for it. But like I'm trying to why I didn't see it. It re this is a film that really has a very unique female vision, and I'm dude saying this. But like but like you watch it so unique in Singapore. But I really liked this film, and it's not even funny. It's quite dramatic and it's great. I mean Marini what happened to Mary at the end? I really enjoy it. It's very underrated. Lost in translation is really come up in the stain to me by I loved Mary Antoinette when I first saw it and I've seen it two or three times. And again, it's film of hers that just came and went, yeah. She did virgin suicides as well. Which I'm not fan of that. Movie, personally, I don't know if you that's what put her on map, but I highly recommend. Marianne Tonet, a great little film. It's, it's. It's very singular in its vision at soapy Capella. Okay. So this is a very recent documentary. It is. Moonlight sonata deafness in three movements have never heard of it just premiered at Sundance like five months ago. Why it is by Irene Taylor Brodsky. And I'm probably pronouncing that wrong. And I mean, no disrespect it's a documentary, it's a documentary. It is. Get this so Irene's parents are both deaf and her son, so she's hearing. But her son started losing his hearing, I think, at about age three so her son who he started losing his hearing, but he wasn't fully deaf. He gets a Cochlear implant, very early on in his life. So he kinda grows up with that, and he, he has, you know, hearing memories because he, you know, he's still located and he's learning how to play moonlight sonata, which is the song that and her son just chose this song like UC wanna take panel lessons. He wanted to learn her play moonlight. Sonata moonlight. Sonata is the song that Beethoven wrote when he was going deaf. Right. So she Irene's this incredible filmmaker and she's watching her son, who's losing his hearing learning to play a song, written by a. You know, brilliant composer, who wrote the song as he was losing his hearing. So her parents actually, get Copland plants, which is it's very tough. Oh, it's basically a surgery that you get that, like goes like literally into your brain. And it translates sounds for you so you can hear it. Sounds very robotic until eventually your brain kinda starts to rewire itself, but for a young child to get the implant, it's like you know that their brain grows with that, but for an adult who's been deaf their entire life, like, that's their life. And for a lot of people. Being death. Like it's on a handicap, it's it's who they are. It's, you know it's, it's their it's their life and to have that sound, it's almost like harder for them and it really really is. And they show like her mom goes for to get genetic testing. And she finds out that the reason she's deficits, actually, in her DNA like she was always going to lose her hearing, and the genetic counselor calls it a typo and her mom's like excuse me, she's like, I'm a typo. She's like, I'm not a typo. She's like this is me and at the same time her father is beginning to get Alzheimer's. And it's I don't know. Like I literally I have thought about this for what is it may so that's when you saw? Yeah, I saw in January, so February March April may for the past four months, I've literally like remembered this film, and like tried to figure out how this director took so many beautiful stories, all centered around her family, you know, like, and she wove this thread. Red and the story of Beethoven like those beautiful animated sequences with, like these birds and like the music, and she has her son learning to play. And she has her dad kind of going through just coming to grips at the fact that he has Alzheimer's. And this is a thing now and her mom, and then her and her husband, who are, are hearing. And it's just this. It's kind of like this beautiful both slice of life. And also like a I don't know. It just it's one of those things where I feel like you see so much about the culture of like their world. But you kind of see both their like their culture, but also they're just a family, you know, like there's nothing I don't know. I just I like it. They're just people living their life and yeah, it's a very, very, very well made film, in my opinion. All right. We'll check it out. I mean it hasn't come out yet, right? I think it may. It was picked up either by HBO or PBS. Yeah. I'll look I'll look out. Okay. All right. Good. So next on my less to with speeding through this. Yes. So this is a classic. This is penny Marshall big. Yeah. Know probably not on your list, but I mean, how could it not be on the list of films directed by women? It such a great film. I saw John. Of course, you know, phenomenal performance by Tom Hanks, but also just a great film. You know. And again, it's a film that is very small right? Script really well done. That's why I think it really stands the test of time in his classic. So I only have much more to say on that was like a childhood favor. I I love it daily and directed by penny Marshall now. It's that's hilarious film. I love that film. And sweet very very, hot woman, very sweet. It's not it's not like dumb and dumber which, by the way, is incredible. But you know, it's got a lot more to it. Hey. I understand. It's called dumb and dumber. But yeah, I you know, it's a ten to film and funny. No very much. So. And the only reason it's not on my lessons, because I was using. Is going to be on his. Okay. That's why we get moonlight sonata from you. I'm like the fool of here with point break and Wayne's world. Now, those are the classics. Okay. So I'm going to go back to and Hardwick for a minute miss Bala. Did she direct? That's the one that just came out came the virgin. Yup. Okay. Rodriguez. See, and that's a, that's a remake of like a Spanish film. Yes. Yeah. And it has the absolute worst marketing, I have ever seen from the same of Wyoming, my entire life. The marketing on it. And I, I have no idea did no argue that was covering Honda. It was terrible. They market it all my friends. I was like, oh my God. Everybody watches movie. And they're like it just looks like some spy film, like whatever some action it is one of the most. Okay. Gene. Can we just talk about this? Actress she's great is like I couldn't even finish saying her name, like I just had to, like, no, she's fence is. But in this film specifically, she is so good like so good. They did. They did some rewrites on the original they'd mixed it up a little bit. But she she'll revenge movie, right? No. She's a makeup artist who's. Going down to, like, Baja to take her friend who wants to be a beauty Queen and do her makeup for free like to help out her, you know, her friend, and she, like goes down there, and they're at this, like club and it gets, like shot up with these guys that are basically kidnapping young women to traffic them. And she is trying to find her friend and that's it like she's not a superhero. She's not an incredible person. The poster's just having a bunch. Writing is. There's so much more energy more to the film much more. It is okay. The art design is phenomenal. The casting is own. My god. There's that's a pity that they mocked. It is so good. It is so brilliant. It is so powerful and strong. And I mean she gets like she has to, like, try like she gets caught by the DA, who thinks that she's in with them, and she's trying to tell them that she's not. And then her like DA contact like like there is no good guy. Bad guy, you know, it's like the government's messed up the drug cartels are messed up. Everybody's messed up and she's just this little girl from southern California in the middle of all of it going. Holy crap. How do I stay alive in? How do I find my friend and it is so oh my God. I'm like yelling. Okay. I love. It is literally probably one of the best act and then it does have like a pretty, you know, it is. It is. As a lot more to us, so much more. And it's so real. She doesn't just suddenly like you know, grab a bunch of guns and rip off her dress. And like all of a sudden, she's amazing. She her character. Arc is incredible in everything down to like the costume design to like there's a scene wishes to take off her clothes. I'm like she's wearing like this really boring late t-shirt bra and like normal, kind like, boring underwear. And like there's a reason she takes off her clothes in the sequence that she does. And it's kind of the atypical sequence you'd think, and like eight is one of the most nerve wracking tear. I, I was sitting on the edge of my seat during that scene. I was like, holding might like there were so many times. Oh my God. It is so good. Just love. I loved her in the night, elation. I loved her in Deepwater Horizon than even Jane the votes. Oh, that's my wife. Loves not shows. Oh good, though. But she really is. I mean, she's a great anonymous Senator she really is. I mean she wanted to Golden Globe and came out of nowhere. So great choice. Amazing. Film, everybody. Go watch it rea-, okay. After the podcast. Yeah they go. Yeah. Listen to the podcasts. I okay my next one. So this was, the, the directorate debut of drew Barrymore, which is whip it, I think this film is so underrated have you seen whippet with Ellen page? Okay. So it's about the, the roller derby, in LA, which actually, I went to those games like a decade ago when it was huge whether he's these, like bad ass, like punk chicks covered in tattoos like beat the crap out of each other. But it's a really sweet coming of age film about hub wanting the breakout and her mother is played by Marcia gay Hudson, who's great in it. And she says beauty pageant, beauty Queen, and she's primp proper and Ellen page doesn't want to follow that footsteps, and it's all about her breaking out wanting to be a self and Juliette. Lewis is in it Kirsten wig and drew Barrymore. It's a really fun, well-done film. Now look, again I feel bad. Because I, I can't autistic late the woods so so well as you and it's great, but it really it's another film a is just a good time. But does have Deepa messages? See, now I'm really trying. But, but actually, does, it's a very good kind of be yourself be who you are. And it's damned fun, great soundtrack. I'm surprised drew Barrymore didn't go onto the more films because I thought she did a great job for this whip. It check it out. I will blow my mind away with your next one. Corre LIZA Mandaluyong probably pronouncing that wrong. That's the director of a documentary called JAL line. A herd of just painting book cheesy. Cheesy cheesy. Okay. Your films. I did say, I said, are they fit their feature phones them, so long story short John line is a documentary about this movement. That's kind of happening sort of like an attempt to recreate the Beatle mania insanity of the sixties around male celebrities without the boys, actually, being anything other than physically good-looking. Is that why it's cool joylin? Yeah. Okay. So what they do. What this filmmaker did is. She ended up kind of discovering this world, documenting it, finding one boy who story she was going to tell kind of, in a parallel to a couple other boys, long story, short girls, literally buy tickets just to take a picture with these boys. They were paying money to get a hug day, like and like the boys just to kind of make content. But their content is just like you can do anything chase your dreams. You're awesome. I love you. You know, like that's their thing. Yeah. And like just remember just you, do you, you, you can do anything just, you know, and, and that that's true. But they're like there's some real nece that has to be behind. You can do anything like it's. Not just like empty words. And like this kid gets brought up by an agent, and he gets take on this Rowen tore, and then the contract was like crap, and he got no money ended up actually owing the guy money and in the end like it's just nothing happened. But it to me if, if we were to reverse the roles, and it was girls doing this, we would call that prostitution or we would just be completely against it. Because these girls are so much better than how they look, there's so much more to them than their boobs, or their face, or this or that. But like these guys, they literally get agents who like their job is just like pimp them out the amount is it early, and it's almost like a joke, not a joke, but like these boy bands literally, but the thing is, they're not even a band. They just go on stage smile. Like they don't do anything, and it's, it's a little creepy, because like the girls are like I love you. You're so much nicer than my real friends, and it's like to me that is so toxic because you need to learn how to have real friends in the real world. Learn. Yeah. It's like because on the internet is easy. There's no commitment. You're not you don't have to be there. When the person's having a bad day. You don't have to stop it out. Social media. It's. Yeah. But it's just like it's kind of like having an affair. You know, it's all the fun without any of like the work, and you don't have to worry about that person when they're having a bad day, like whatever. You're not my not my side piece right now. So it all line. Yeah. It's just a very powerful documentary. And I feel like it's very like it's a very important cultural conversation to be having. So I'll have to check that out. All right. So back to my totally pointless. No, it's okay, this is actually a great film. This is Greta gerwig direct to'real, debut, ladybird, Ducey lady bird in lika. No, I haven't, I haven't oh, it sounds great film. I'm going to be like people are literally going to be judging me, and they'll be like, I'm not gonna listen to anything. No, I know. I know judgment. I know you're not gonna Jimmy people listening to the podcast. They're going to judge me. They hits the thing again everyone has the likes and dislikes. So that's why that's why there's millions of things for everyone and yeah. You know, I the things I don't like, but when, when you got these people who go get really over something always kinda cracks me up, but lady bird is a very impressive film directed by Greta gerwig, who's a good actress a self social Ronin, just fantastic in this is the lead she grew in, and it's all about hug, you know, growing up as a Catholic school. So obviously, I can't relate to that. But the performances offend tastic it's really well done. So great coming of age movie, my wife loves it. She did grow up like that. So it really resonated with. So she would have a lot to say about it, but it's a good movie, and I'm excited to see her do more for Greta gerwig as director. They I do have captain marvel on this list. Okay. But I'm going to bow down and writing flat. Yeah. And that film, it was an incredible film. And I love the fact I loved the character development. In the characters, and so many other things about that film that I could just go on the nineteenth so, well, I loved this. I'm a nineteenth kid Annonay? Yeah. It it, it was just very well made. And that floor can you should check out their conflicting. Oh, yeah. That's great. You should check out their other films. No, I'm hot Nelson. And it's kind of a funny story, those films, a really good in those alike, indie films, which I can tell you a really national about, and to be fair. I do love blockbusters. There's a lot of blockbuster films are like my have my heart. I just figured, you know, a lot of these films, don't ever get light shined on this point everyone the book busters. Yeah. So I I love putting a spotlight on films that people have heard of the show. I'll in Marvel's a great pick, but that wasn't one that I'm going to talk about. I was gonna say bend it like Beckham. Oh, that's right. That is directed by lady. That's a good film. I'm not gonna even try to Johnson Reese Myers, I don't know who direct to this. An Indian lady right in deer Chata. And I apologize with all of my heart. That was that was Keira Knightley breakout. Yeah. The only thing that pissed me off about that film, as I was a huge man. United fan Anna, huge Beckham fan. So I was pissed off when I watched the entire film, Nevoso. That's the only thing I complained about. But otherwise. No, no. That was an indie film. And that wasn't the point. It was about it was about this girl and about her heritage in race with a family, and hook, again, kind of going against the norm. What's expected the and, and those are just great performances from the main girl who haven't really seen anything else. Keira Knightley Jonathan Reese, Myers was great and that the feel good movie about kind of finding yourself. So I love it. Got. Got. So I have loved the film and actually recently watched it, I'm going to give, I know you said, shorts, don't count, but I received saw film called a five o'clock shadow by a woman, his now of dear friend of mind, her name Sangita, and she's a director and writer and actress, she started directing, and writing, because she was so tired of being cast, and these are her direct words of being cast as the Indian mudder and I'm not trying to be rude by, like that was like, how she said it because that's not how she talks. And she's like this is ridiculous. So she did a film where, you know, she's coming in from the grocery store, and she's arguing with her husband about something that happened. And to me, I didn't think anything of it. She's just wearing like, you know, jeans and a t-shirt shirt, and she's talking her husband, and she's like argument with him. And when during the panel afterwards, she was saying, like to see an Indian woman arguing with her husband that doesn't happen. And I was like holy crap. And it kinda like made me look at things a little bit different. Like I said, you know, with gentle, where like you're seeing pieces of culture for me bend it like Beckham you see. Things about their culture, and I feel like it kind of a, it's just it's I think it's great. I love being able to learn more about other people and kind of like see things about their life. I wouldn't think of, you know, sneaking off to soccer practice and they think she's like dating a girl night, and then it's like, oh my God, you're playing soccer in that's like some homeless. But we'll there. Their I mean, their traditions are so strong for the ads because I mean, in England you have a lot of these shared Indian Pakistani families in, it's r-. I mean, they have their traditions, it's really. And it's there's a lot of that even like in New York, where I grew up with, like there's a very orthodox Jewish community and stuff like that. And I understand the not wanting to lose your culture to a new land. But at the same time, there has to be a balance, you know, between the and I feel like that. Yeah. Just feel like it's just it's a really, it's a well, made film. You know, it's funny, it's interesting. It's, it's. I think on. I'm trying to remember. We may have rented it like off Amazon prime or so as only that it's like a streaming. Okay. Cool. I'll give it team in the shoutout. Okay. I only five o'clock shadow you mean. Yeah. Oh, those hooking up any Beckham known if I was shadow on it. It's there's a Facebook page for it. So if you just go to five o'clock shadow on Facebook, they'll be able to watch our good, I only have two more. So we'll wrap this up. So Jane Campion, okay? The piano, you have seen the piano. Okay. I don't know why happened to Jane Campion note while he was one of the most acclaimed directors in the nineties, the piano is a beautiful movie and the pack win won. An Oscar Mitch was twelve years old. Holly hunter hobby, tell very beautiful. Atmospheric film, than she went on to do in the cut, which was godawful, which ruined Meg Ryan's career, and since then she's done like TV, but quite good. Some good TV stuff. But the piano is a gorgeous film, from the nineteen very beautiful drama. So I highly recommend that. And then my lost one is sleepless in Seattle, which Nora Ephron who I mean, she did several I mean, she was like the oh, she's just she could do you know, romance, but also rum com, just so. Well, she did you've got mail and but I love like you've got mail. I won't lie. Now as kind of cheesy sleepless in Seattle each their own, but sleepless in actually make of an older film. You've got mail really. 'cause why I guess it must have been before emailed existed. You've got mail as like modern add up patient shop around the corner. Oh, that's oh yeah. I actually hurt that about two rival book, bookshops or something. But the one that I love is sleepless in Seattle, because that film really holds up to me that such a it's again, it's very witty. It's very smart. You know, and very romantic Tom Hanks, Meg Ryan, couldn't be better together. I don't know what happened to Meg Ryan this pity. I mean she really was America's sweetheart for so long. That's a lovely film, and do love that and Nora Ephron. I mean it's just a staple than in the really smart. Well, written, well, directed romantic comedies. Kind of everyone to watch intellectual movements. They ago something deep the I add to say, all right. You got any others. So I do I have all around my all my last two. So one of them is legal their own. Oh, yeah. That's directed by a lady penny Marshall, that's penny. Okay. Oh, awesome. I love a league of their own. There's no crying in baseball. Right. So that film is everything. It is smart. It's funny. It's very well. Made it touches on things in a very real way like when they're like, okay girls you're gonna play baseball. Here's your uniform. And that's Donna Roselle, gosh. Dave. Thanks. Yeah. But it just the so many son, anything, white, Tom. Right. But yeah, there's just like like, you know, the uniforms, come out and the girls are like, are you kidding me right now, what is this, you know, the woman learning how to read the woman who gets a letter from minute cry woman, who gets a letter about her husband, like and, and all the women just standing like prime. It is not them and aiding themselves for being relieved that it wasn't them. And like just the reality of it. The reality balancing their life with balancing, their love of something that wasn't accepted and then the baseball game at the end. Just I love, I love, John. Yeah, it's just it's, it's both historical. And it's like universal. Phil really means baseball. That's all. Awesome. I don't know why. I was surprised it wasn't on your list chose big. Okay. I mean penny Marshall again. She's done several. Yeah, she's, she's a legendary film. And it was one of those where like I was going to wait and see if it was on your list. I'm glad you. And then the other one that I have is advantageous never heard of it, two thousand fourteen it premiered at Sundance. I wanna say directed it. Jennifer phang. All right. Tell me about advance advantageous is very honest service levels about ageism. It's about a woman who's a spokesperson for this company, and she's getting too old, and they're kind of pulling her back a little bit, because she's too old. And there's this new service that is being offered where you can dump your consciousness into a younger body. Oh, wow. So it's like SCI fi very fine. Now, now the thing is one of the things I love about this. Film is nobody's nationality. Nobody's raised. Nobody's skin color has anything to do with the plot and it is one of the most diverse casts I've ever seen the, this, the American film. Subtitled, it's an it's an English. Okay. Yeah. It's there's on the lead actresses Asian aecom, her daughters agents. She's a black friend, and a blonde haired, friend, and their mothers our friends, and there's like these circle of people, and there's a ton of women. And I just love like to me that is the future, like literally doesn't matter. You're just a person for and I, I love that. And who you are as a person is what is most important? I have a little bit consideration about saying that because I don't wanna like wipe away, someone's culture like as far as who they are get way. But it's the this specific film in this specific story is about this woman. Yeah. About humanity way, we view aging in the way, we view. I don't wanna spoil it, but it is very powerful. And it is, you know, again, what a woman will do for her daughter, a mother's love. It also has some phenomenal production design just absolutely. Full costumes and sets and cinematography is really nice in the story really nice. It's like the worst way to describe cinematography on. It's, it's very cinematic. No. But it's, it's just it's a very, very well, made film and very, very powerful. One of those films that has just stuck with me literally since I saw it. I was kind of disappointed that it didn't go further off to check it out. You should write is that you'll this novel my li-, okay? I have a quick shout out to a documentary like we don't exist directed by Ansley Sawyer. It is about the longest running civil war in the history of ever. And it's this literally, these people in like Thailand, Burma Myanmar sort of area where they don't have a country. They don't have a home. They don't have anything and they've literally been living in a refugee camp for like fifty years to the point where the UN is like, why are we still funding this can we just stop funding this and they're like, Hello? We're still here. Can we just can you just fix this, please? And Ansley and her crew literally quit their jobs and moved to the camp for a year and film them. It's available on Facebook, and it is in my opinion, just such a. Human relevant story. And the fact that it's called like we don't exist in nobody has heard about it is so apropos. And I will take any chance I have to. Point people's attention into the direction of that film. It is a short which is why it wasn't officially on my list. But there's that one and then the other one is a film called dead Hooker in a trunk oak. Very what's the so your requirements was it had to be a feature. It had to be a film. I have seen. Okay. I, I mean I don't really have any. That's what you said. You're the guest is. Okay. Well, then in that case, the year of obvious men by leeann Thompson that is going out there, if I because I have just watch it yet I mean obviously, you should see it out about it, but tell me about Hooker in a trunk. So there. Now, I wanna know about this is what I'm ending on. There's a production company called twisted twins productions. Okay. It is by, I'm going to pronounce us wrong, because I don't think I've ever heard their names. Set out loud. The Soska sisters. Oh, I've heard of them. Okay. Yeah. Right. So these two brilliant, women have redefined the horror industry, and like Colt horror films and the dead Hooker. And they have a huge cult following. Yup. Dead Hecker in a trunk was their first film. Have you seen it? No. I, I have a very I'm the horrible I heard. So that's why I like I literally I adore these women you have no idea. I like that. I can't I literally will you? Okay. I got it. So without you really respect that ashen. I get it. But you can't stomach seeing the Phil. Exactly. And I respect what they do. I have several friends who are huge, huge huge like horror genre. It's what they do. It's how they tell their stories. I super respect that it's just not for me. I agree. Not me, then, again, there are a lot of films in the horror genre. Just so good that elevated for me. But I, I get nightmares went to easily. So I have to be very careful about what I watch, but so anyway, I just the fact that these two women went into an industry. That is very disrespectful to women. It is very closed door to women. It is very you can't do this. And they not only did they do it, but they like ripped a hole in the very Iran genre, and owned it to the point where they are like icons of this industry now I mean, they're right. Even I've heard of them. They're writing. The black widow the latest black widow comic book for marvel. Right. The film. No, not the film, the comic book the right and the actual writing the actual comic book. So, and if you follow, follow them, like on Twitter, they're, they're such like positive incredible empowering people, and I just feel like the world needs more of that. Like people who just, they don't care. They have their story. They're going to tell it. They're not going to give up. They're not going to be told why and they're literally just gonna do it and they're going to do it. Well, and then they're going to keep doing it. Well, and I cannot, like I cannot put into words how much respect I have for these. I love it. So that's why they got my honorable mention. Right. Is that you'll best? That's my less. Okay. Good. So bring it back to Tony the movie, guy silliness. I thought of one more Amy heckling FOSS times at ridgemont high written by Cameron Crowe. I mean, this is one. I look, I'm actually not the biggest fan of this film. But again. And it's one that's really grown on me in America. It's like a staple of, like, you know, high school movements and you got sparkly, Sean pan and all that. But also the women in this film, at the, the sexuality is very blunt, especially for like a high school movie. Right. Jennifer, Jason Leigh. You know, I remember when I watched as a kid is a teenager. I was it was kind of shocking to me, because it's like a high school comedy. It's quite ROY and it sexually. I mean she practically gets raped by this, like douchebag character, but as directed by a woman written by Cameron Crowe. You know, you can really see it through the lens of the, the boys and the girls but it's a film over the years that I've watched over and over again. And it's kind of raising the steam and it's fun. You know, it's a funny film. So they go. I mean, I know my choices are more like. Joy it. But still, I think we, we had a good a good chat that you had some great ones on yours. You had a lot of the commercial ones too. And then you've got to kind of plug some deep ones that I think no, I think he did a good job, though, quite personalty. Right. So, you know, everyone check them out. I'm sure we have something here that will, you know, interest, you and also. Yeah, I wanna see that. Let's just let's see more films directed by human beings. Hey, women children, anyone because I want to see more. But I do think it was cool that we kind of put a spotlight on great films bake acclaimed films, directed by women that I guarantee you many people be like, oh, wow. I didn't know that. And then also put a spotlight on films, maybe that people haven't heard of right. So they can check them out. Well, all right. So how was that you have fun? I think so. No just kidding. Yeah, I had fun. All right. Corre. Well, look. It was a pleasure having you on this show. Where can people find you? So I'm going to plug two things. If that's okay. Go ahead. So aimless plug is all yours. Yes. So one, my production company just optioned feature film that we are developing right now on. It's awesome. It's called comic relief. You can find it at comic relief movie on Facebook and Instagram. And we are just doing some last rewrites action. I don't know when is this going to air because the rewrites will be probably be done by the time this airs awesome. This will come out with a couple of weeks. Okay. Perfect. The rewrites better be done. So, yeah, this is a feature film that we are developing on. I want to have it a shot in the next year. If there's anybody out there who is interested in participating this, especially by way of investing in the film. Let me know how they can contact me at info at space dream. Films dot com. Okay, so single dream plural films. And the other way to reach me as production company space dream films, and that is our website space dream films dot com pool. We also have a Facebook page, and an Instagram. I'll put you'll link as WALDO. Okay profanity. Yeah. So. Thank you. And the second thing oh, I was going to say. So I've kind of been navigating my way through like the film festivals and making films and all that stuff. My husband and I have directed and produced ten films in the last four years. Awesome. So thank you. And thank you all the films. I've directed our award winning so far. So I'm pretty excited about that. And I'm trying to share. I feel it. I there needs to be more people making films, especially women. So our YouTube channel is space during productions and I'm going to start having there's two there's two videos up right now just about Sundowns, and there's gonna be some more about navigating film festivals. Working with contracts, how to hire people, how to fundraise how to develop a project like anything. I can think of that has anything to do with making a film is going to be going on the YouTube general. We'll that's awesome. Look core. I love having you on the show. I wish you in space. You all the best. I love your passion. It's great. It's overwhelming and the really positive way, which is awesome. And look on the look forward to seeing, you know, films and all kinds of great projects, and you will your feature film, being released with your name on the title me. You're gonna make it happen to be written by Alex Hawthorne. I'm very excited to be working with them. There you go. That's also look, thanks so much. Good night, everyone by thank you for having me. Thanks so much Phyllis into another new episode of Tony the movie guy, the podcast. My weekly reminders, you can follow us on all of our social media Facebook, Twitter, Instagram at Tony the movie guy. Also, don't forget to leave those five star reviews. We really appreciate them, and we will see you in a few weeks, have a safe fourth of July Bye-bye.

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S2 E80: The Titanic, new "Charlie's Angels", "The Crown" re-casting and other missteps

The All New Dennis Miller Option

53:18 min | 9 months ago

S2 E80: The Titanic, new "Charlie's Angels", "The Crown" re-casting and other missteps

"This is the tennis Miller. Option your source of opinion stories and laughs from comedian and activist. Dennis Miller is Guy Friday Christian black laugh and superstar producer Lindsay floor and now it's him. Dennis Miller a welcome to the Dennis Miller option and Very happy today. Christine isn't here yet. We finally ditched him. No Christian Christian Christian uses a ways tells me and there's a news Niblett remember the old Nicholas whereas you comprise a word for something that hadn't existed heretofore. There's something called ways backups. Where so many people are on ways? And so many people are taking the alternative route the a traffic bottleneck on the ways route becomes infinitely more thick than the people who aren't using ways so so in other words. I'm I'm telling you to take aways pods and let everybody else. Gleaned the fact that there's traffic hit their ways up go over to the the A secondary road clogged that up and then your home free on the original route just involves a little patience. Think of it as traffic interrupt. This and Just take your take your time. What what are we doing today Lindsey? Well we've got and I'm I'm doing this This way to see if we can quite frankly bonsai Christian out of the whole operation now because Yeah I know you like them. But it's my pod and and I'm telling you that little fucker we'll put the long knives in on me and the Roman Senate shower. Yeah he seems sneaky. GotTa Watch it and I know that people have called me and said The name of the podcast Dennis Miller the names to militias. We need something that'll grab people's attention and I say like what these Christian black which sounds like Thomas more jumping jumping off a building or something blotting onto the sidewalk but Before Christian does that. I'M GONNA try Lindsey out. Here is my aide to camp now and Possibly we whack him down there Anaya hype that a busy day already in that. I got up at dawn and Under my LLC NAMED CODY CIT Y. I bought fifty one percent of Kylie Jenner's makeup makeup line for six hundred million dollars. I know what you're saying. It's six hundred million dollars to spread around on lip gloss. You know how to podcast. I mean how many lips are you. Glossing I- glossing. Here's the odd thing though. My marketing studies have found out that. I'm selling twice as much gloss as any other gloss organization but but for some odd reason and this is not we have to crack. We're going to have as the kids say Dick down deeper on this. The people I sell to our only glossing one lip at a time back and Therefore why sell twice as much. I'm actually even with people who sell lip gloss that Both lips are clots simultaneously. I don't know it's one of those weird business. Things falls between the cracks. I don't really know you. Men Go in smokers guards and drink wrinkle albion here coach Dan with the other one but I Six hundred million dollars for Kylie Jenner. God bless her. Do you think your your Gal British over the weekend and we're working on it is do do you think. Holly Jenner has anything to do with the makeup or I mean she would be your guess I would guess she wears a lot of it right do you. You think I don't know I'm sick. Reflexively putting down the Kardashians is being stupid as they passed the billion dollar mark For one of the Young kids are unless she's a gender but I think of them all the same. I think of Kylie Jenner I think Brody Jenner had transitioned initiative. Well maybe think like Alter Egos so you're saying that that's his His transvestite out on Wednesday name we have to also is Kylie Jenner sister. Oh you're asking the wrong person. Well there's a handsome kid named named Brody Jenner B. R. E. Y.. And he has the last name. I don't know if that's his sister anyway. God bless her six hundred million billion dollars and You know you look at Kim Kardashian. Am I alone in thinking this folks that and I met her once. She was quite sweet. I'm under on the tonight show. We didn't have a big gap US but She was beautiful except she's done something horribly. I believe by surgery injury to harass well. It's I'm not kidding. Her ASS is bizarre. She walked up into the crowd to Say Hi to. A soldier was a soldier's night on the tonight show and By that by that I mean it declared war on me no they were a AH bunch of troops were in and she was very sweet to come and it was like the old bob hope things when he would take a beautiful woman visit troops. In Nam you always admired those women. for are putting themselves in harm's way like that but she just came in to the Burbank Studio to say hi to soldiers and choose Per faces beautiful and she was sweet enough. I'm not saying she was Marie Curie. What am I carry? No I heard Kristen's excellent in the background. It's still me. That's part of my transitioning positioning. Oh I see you got a knock down blow air through your nose Christian oppression and When she went up into the stands to Say Hydro soldier from behind. It was misshapen and I remember thinking. Wow why did she do that she she would would be a company last but I guess I don't know you'd have to tell me. Is that one of the reasons that she's so big. Is this in fact. The golden era of having a huge jazz is. I mean you know. Most of the people see I saw picture beyond say last week. Now as David Spade would say they've put a swing set in the backyard. It and I know she's defied now but I'm just saying that doesn't appear to be better time in history to have a huge A bucket down to its the Christian knows all about it actually Christian I when I first spat Cristiano told you it was running a borough ride concession from the small of her back down through the ASS crack crack. So who's misshapen Chris the asses Christian. Oh well the borough was actually the the ass in charge charge of the entire operation. Try to do the show. I love Lindsey I was terrible. It was cool. Well I did that on purpose. I hi night. I've been sitting in the parking lot for something about my latent disdain for you because she's so nice and she's lovely lovely. I need your so strong over the years. You've developed such rhino skin that you actually give a Sway to my means. I know I can lay you out. And you'll lay me out at denigrate me and you also don't take seriously when I lay. I can't do that. Lindsey sit here and be proper. Now she would She's asked for counseling a couple of times. That's a joke. I just realized it's GonNa make them nervous. You're parking your car and for some reason by logic I understand endless with Kushner. He's legally blind on Mondays. Yes it always takes a long time to back the car in. And he wouldn't opt for the and by the way who's who's ever used that thing that automatically back into the car and your own fucking seventy two Mazda. RX7 Arek seven or whatever your K.. Seventy six all right. I've had it in my car forever and I cannot bring myself to even look or First off I don't have an owner's manual anymore. Anybody remember that where you had an owner's manual. You can consult now. I have to go onto wheel of fortune. Apparatus spin it around and spell out You know tires now. Business fifty four options and then just when it what it says. You can't look into this while you're moving so nice to pull off to the side of the road and offense von fire the vanities I whip been off an exit in the comte or something and You know I'm sitting there reading on how to keep tires from wearing while they're being slashed with with the kids using dickerson. I'm still stuck in a blackboard. Jungle but Kids today with their switchblade. Yeah it's actually with their vape pen. 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Don't you mentioned fish a couple of times and I realized that it's sort of Fell by the wayside. But did you realize that Kipah Dada passed away over the summer and we talked to a whole show on this. I think we did did I. I'm usually not here. I mean my body is sitting in this chair but I'm usually not because I think we got into stuff like a a Kipah Dada passed away today and Fortunately Room Jesus Christ practice catch and release. The Harrison renew looks weaker so I would have remembered that I watched the first episode of the crown. Last nine of us. You know the The new batch. I have not seen no sir. I think they're starting the fictionalized them last night. The Princess Margaret got it on. It's the Burger King visiting royalty and I think the episodes entitled anything but Oppor because evidently the Burger King is Hung like a pot. I'm in Tater I understand. People that are upset about some of the the new casting for the current season. Send rough looking crowd. I guess putting Eddy Izard in his queen. Elizabeth was probably not the smartest move is lovely. When did you? It's just it's great you know. She seems fine actress but And they did it in a bit of a clever way. It wasn't quite Sean Connery on Red October. Where they push into his Sam Neill where they pushed into his mouth with a Bob Greene Cameron all of a sudden speaking? The king's English remember that scene. I forgot about the beginning of the hunt for Red October. Everything up to that point had been dust Branyan Daesh in you know and you think fuck going attended a little triumph of the will so be careful. And then they They were in a room on a submarine which I guess it's not really a room. What are they quarters quarters and they pushed in shoe? You could call me a seaman Merimee David Brom step from color splash pretty good with with the new ship. I don't know either of those things are there was a guy who started on the home network one year as a certainly Ronnie Howard type his name was David Brom Stab you know. The show called Color Splash and He would redo a house and he'd put color in it and it was still like the worst looking place over over. And then at the end he puts sort of Jackson Pollack with four basic colors on. It looks like Russell I mean it was you and then people would come in and cry and then they'd cut away before you could tell whether they were crying because it was beautiful to them or they were crying because it looks like the whorehouse they find. GD SPRADLIN in two but it was called collar spas. Then the next year he came back he was less running Howard more hassle and then the next year he came back and he was In just touted out those zoo and the Harvey Milk Tattoos on his arms and he he just completely I didn't know if he's uh it gotten different. Let's put it out. Can I cover cover myself that one. I think you did a good job with that. And the the The show continued to hold my interest. Indeed I was one of those people would could get a season the season before but not like the crowd the crown crowd last night I was watching it and all of a sudden and they showed a group shot them in a publicity photo and they'd gone from the delightful clarify who was. So you know beautiful but not too beautiful. And whoever played Princess Margaret was kind of cool. She ended up in Tom. Cruise's latest mission impossible. They showed a group shot of the cast this year. And I thought I'll I could do sit there and like which one of them is Kaiser so say very usable. I really usable substance. That was the point variation unusal usual official suspects porn version called useable so his play like increase it on the radio. Show like what what would be the name of any given movie. The porn movie version of it was really difficult on the radio. Show like you know Hung Sherlock Holmes the Paul. Is there any movies out that we can play that with right now or would you rather dictate some numbers to be. No I would definitely rather come up with the porn just came up with any name right thinking crystal at this you got it but it was a good dangle for you just shout any movie before I even finished. Would you rather out some numbers. Hey and go into the intake. My Union takes that I take my union fifteen at the beginning of the shift so I still came in. I don't WanNa send back on my from local NAP myself that I came up with was the hunt for Red Snatch Tober and I just felt like I shouldn't say that on Mike and you put me in a place where I had a look at. The price is right. He'll blow him so you know that because you're very you're absolutely right that what do you what do you do you have John. I'm on Fox or something and Terry Bradshaw in one of these walk into. I don't quite understand the walk in. I bought a walk in tub sorted. Open the door to get in the water came. I do think that that's A. That's a handsome robe that he's wearing you know some people think that they think it's it's like they think Hillary takes over. Trump is impeachment that have pets and there are people who think okay they're not really thinking but bubble bath God That they can fill the tub up and then opened the door and get in some some sort of a thin veneer. She thing in there that keeps the water. But you can't folks you have to open a door and pretend you're like getting into Lori and whatever fantasy you about your life making a rich and dashing and then sit down naked your ass on that can linoleum Nancy turn the water on. It's like think think about sitting there her while water comes up over your ankles and then forty minutes later it reaches your you know penis or Basinas if you're a woman I don't WanNa differentiate anymore everybody's got a penis everybody's equal there's your woman penis or your man in Sexual Ashley say era What are they called? The man penises the MP woman penises though the Maggio all one you make love the NPS badge you for a Shortly but you sitting there in and around an hour and ten minutes at your navel finally get it up to your breastplate. All the water on the bottoms. Not a cold. You know you're in some sort of climbs thing you know where the water on your knees is cold and the water's hot. So you're got a light bracy fucking your suv being a piece of salmon that you an hour and ten minutes sitting there and thinking tub lip on that was any eleven to twelve inches off and my me conceding that I couldn't get over that or hadn't got myself in physical condition where it gets done. The lower part of my leg and John Michel Petkevich Dick. But would say triple south cal into the fucking top. I've bought this thing for three grand and I've been sitting here and now my asses like a wet book it's just like papers or falling out and I the they're not an advertiser bars. Are they not yet as shift if so we will send the time machine. But I'm just saying there's some subtle pruning going on there and I don't mean Miaki it just mean that the the you know the time he's sitting water for an hour when you go to clean yourself there are some things that have gone inside your body literally I I call it a I call it a lukewarm water genitals seek the inside of your body and then you have gone to therapy and wonder if you've Fuck yourself holiday they stress keep you up at night. There's so many gifts to buy in meals to cook and Family Dinner Tain it's time to put an end to those racing thoughts and head into the holidays days as well rested as possible. You should try calm. The number one Africa sleeping relaxation. It can really transform your nights which means better days checkout got sleep stories which are time stories for adults they can help you all into a deep natural sleep minutes stories. 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Everybody said No. But we've seen great guests lined did not the SS California's and say they were ahead. All Engines to get there in time for us new they were heading the other direction we this is the titanic now the HMS Titanic. We hit an iceberg guest wise. We're going down. Can you come get to us. Got There the next day. All they found was the wind saw Christians might. Let's funny. You mentioned terrorist because I did try to get the guy who said Iceberg Greg ahead in the movie and E- I think they're now. Oh no no. Victor Garber played Light Taller when I went to see it the first time I was at the world premiere. I don't remember that. Yeah well you know Titanic Freak actually own a letter that was on the titanic and fucking kisses me off. It's probably got such a deal on it at The auction houses The letter the text of letter I can't tell you much but I'm absolutely not on the titanic. When I say to people I have a letter on the titanic and then I I showed them the letter? They often say what he's not on the titanic. You're forget that it was panicked panicked. He was sitting including music in the lounge on the piano the steinway and it rolled forward in got his baby toe and he he knew now he and his mad we're going to get dressed in her best. Finery sit on the round couch and lobbying go down with the ship and his fucking dogs were barking. The whole way Dow- I just wondered. I was working on that and I know there was rich. People Christian sure I always wondered when I'm in the Guggenheim Museum. And you know so you get up top and then you pretend you're grab rollerblading down to the bottom of that You know they say. Say The fat Bob's Moody Guy who played the expert in the titanic movie with Bill Paxton said that It spun down like that so when I'm in there I often wondered Guggenheim family and then I often think well I didn't even know if Guggenheim was on the boats. That would be the first thing to check. Well it's Benjamin McHugh. Have the manifest there David we obviously I carry it around all the time and By the way the roller girl down the have something that interests you at some point in life. No not just wanted to stop you right there. I thought it was worth making sure understood to a hobby the partner in just my haning seems getting getting maybe a graph copy of a menu. Brothers the fuck is wrong you uh-huh I never picked up another type. tenny finale remember veal you up until that instant. I must've thought it was Leo chained to this point four but then as they said seventy dollars already on it framed and some shit frame with some gold. Scroll at the pretend. Billy's don't you idiot this. This isn't even mimeograph. And so I should not give you that that I picked up for Christmas when I when I enter a loser thing. Nobody loses it up late me. I really am a winning loser Sir to win losing okay. This car races so I should quit saying fuck. Did you make thirty million dollars. What's it called four-cylinder versus Hybrid Ford versus the worst name? But I guess the worst name would have been. Charlie's angels Well I think they tried to wake wake up a sleeping giant. Listen nobody every people you know why People Watch. Charlie's angels Ideas Faraz on the back of their door on an orange tank. Top where you you can see her nipples through the fabrics. And then they shifted over to Cheryl Cheryl I I haven't seen her in in years but she's limp hair night seer frequent her and her husband. I think his name was Brian Nelson. Nice and dashing. It was always her on some yacht. What striped string bikini these things from boys hard drives that sticking their head? That's why people watched it and is it now not about that. Is it about kicking guys asses. who think you're attractive? I think that that's part of the narrative but I just know from the commercials that I would see on the as Norman say on the on on the TV but you know it made no money. Because I don't think I don't think people traditionally WANNA be scolded. Yeah you know I know I know people. People are pushing the. There's a lot of people pushing a lot of chips in on Scorn porn where literally the woman In the man in the porn scene castigate you for watching. While they're fucking scorn porn. What did you look at that loser? Coming next. Scorned but Yeah Charlie's angels made nothing and you know BANKS HAS AN I. That's the thing not since Jane campion hundred pianos somebody like Elizabeth packed. And now I don't know she be saddled with this growth and If she is how quickly before she plays the Albany manner manner allowed to have a bad bill. Yeah and continue to get work and should have memorized list. Five and All I know is my position position as dialogue coach to the smartest raccoon in guardians of the galaxies remains locked in Dan. He needs because I came to his trailer. One's really more like a hutch yield Hutch had him in and he was in their additioning other marsupials for a minor part playing his His Gal Friday I I believe her name which is some sort of raccoon pleasure so anyway He had taken his Mascot Megan Nagin hardware. I walked in on. Got Leveraging on I will always be on every said that other. LISTEN IF I don't get a good night's sleep I'm cranky. I can put that in more. flowery language if you want. But it's just the truth and I think you might be like me if you're struggling to get a good night's sleep you've got to try a purple mattress. How is purple differ from Purple? Different from other mattresses. The purple mattress will probably feel. You'll different than anything you've ever experienced. Because it uses brand new material that was developed by an actual not figurative rocket scientists. It was not like the memory memory. Foam I'm used to the purple material. Feels very unique. 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Oh I've finished a couple of great books over the weekend I should tell you. There's a brilliant book and I respect him so much. I wouldn't even try to get him on here. Because he's in the PODCAST business and I. I don't know his work. I haven't watched American psycho but braced analysis brilliantly astute book out called White and even the name I. I wonder if he's rabble-rousing there because he's just had it with woke culture and he's a really good right. I don't know his work that well I only know a couple of movies Less than zero. And then I dabble a little bit with American psycho but I can never make it past the part where he opens his freezer. Haven't even rack focused focused. But there's a somebody's head in a bag next to the fudgesicle. Yeah that's that's pretty close. Yeah well whatever that part it is. I have to bail because they don't want to you want but He's this book was great. I don't even know what he makes his movies off times and I think he's the guy doesn't whine a lot. I think once he turns the movie over. He's one of those guys who understands he. He got what he wanted out of it artistically and financially when he wrote wrote the book these guys who WanNa stay with the book all the way through the movie and then the sequel and eventually the flip chart that grade school kids. Ed's you stick figures on on their beaver notebook. He wants to get involved in that. You know and that stick figure wouldn't do that but it's called white and it's a brilliant dissection of woke culture so give it a read. You know. He liked and then he was on the radio show. He had written the article and this is a few years ago. Obviously the radio show and they're a lot of people want to have him on and he's like well. I'll talk to Dennis. Talk to anybody else so he definitely likes you. That's all I WANNA do to. Oh Now oh well I like him but I hate that thing we call and say we'd be on and then they wonder so just going to put it out there. Bret Easton Ellis that that. I'm not going to call you to have you on because that seems like I'm have a agenda on senior praises. Just let me sing them hall. throatedly that books brilliant and he in a nutshell exposes all the bullshit. That's going on right now. It's very cathartic that book and give it a read Bret Easton Ellis White and Christian and I'm not doing this to be goofy. I really respect him so much for that book that I don't don't WanNA call okay. What if he calls me sure if he heard get an ideologue I I just I don't like to give compliments by means as a Cudgel? Joel try to get somebody on I think he's got a podcast doing great. I'm I'm should listen to it. I I started following him on twitter. Follow Wait People's be nice to be followed by you on twitter but somebody fell out. Oh you even on twitter. Yeah it's light I follow you do I do it now. I don't mind Chris you had a number you ever remember. You had a number that you didn't want to go beyond of your followers so as long as it stays in single digits down. I think I've got you down seven I love you. Oh come on I just gotTa find how to do it Let's do it right here. How do I follow you tape home and you just like everyone in the audience UNSCOM type in Christian? DMZ WHAT DO I. Then I hit the little Sherlock Holmes I lost to put you in that that should have me come up Surprisingly you're only when you typing Christian you're only five billion on. That's why Chris got a little hotter. I think attended this last time. Seven Billion Chris O.. He's failed cloven. Hold it says crypt in when president of something age R.. I S. T.. He I don't know how people type on these things. Because I have the tiniest I have Russ Tamblyn and Tom on hands and I can't isolate on these little boxes Christian de what's the DMZ for me. That's how people knew in your life get any more intertwined minded might know that the only fall I consider myself okay following in total council. No no I just it gets back to. Would you like me to read off who you're following. Yeah Yeah please Christ. How much debate for their last? So you follow Brady scrape. Would you like me to help conductor empathy. Well you'd like like the Bay watch guide who dives the other person goes cobalt blue. Yes that's what I said to bench waves on floundering. That's what I said to Benjamin Christ also also. Would you like me to help and I said no I'm good. You're like Yasmine belief if she became Ben Grimm. So in addition of Brayson Lsu. Follow Brian Regan. Thomas had Easter Great. Show both Orix my dear friend. Grant accounts genius. Steve Martin to go funny man and best of all slim slim failing my beautiful bride I used to follow John Corbett but he quit. quit putting anything up. He's so sensitive but I remember for a year and a half. He put nothing. But bad drawings of John Cougar Mellencamp Steph love for that from fans they they would all post them any any pick ones. That were sort of John Cougar. That's only put up for a year and a told him John that's genius. He's Otani about come on. Forget it. Let's go watch wonderful whites of West Virginia John's from West Virginia. So there's no more physical than playing Tom Cervo to his Joel. Hodson as we watch weird. Wonderful White's voice for genetic. So what other books have around them following it now finish thank you. I told you I finished a brand of the contender. NDER yeah and he butted heads so much on Coniston Hong Kong He hated Charlie Chaplin. I thought he was a despot. And he's I guess he was funny in the old days but guy would horrible Matt Cause for Charlie Chaplin to somehow mismanaged Brando and Sophia Loren. And make it a bad film to go the extra mile. But there's another film Teahouse of the August moon and it seemed to me the brand somehow Glenn Ford got into Brando's kitchen and as far as acting goes at the not seem like that kitchen. The the kitchen seemed cracknell but all of a sudden brando was in the kitchen. And all of a sudden I heard Glenn Ford's raptor toes is clicking on the linoleum in the kitchen on. I always love one of the best things about that was what they named. The Island and is slow in the Jurassic Park is slow. Look that up Krista it. I think it's a fictional name of an island off Nicaragua Guatemala but something is slow new bar there is my. That's right and great fucking Zim fucking genius. That was. That's the smartest man I've ever met. I know people say oh. What are you kidding me? Too New Interview Neil. degrasse Tyson seem smart enough but about sports. I've ever met is easy to be smart about space. which doesn't even exist I? I'm not convinced that whole big truman. Show Tarp Yeah. Abraham over moon rocks really does look like they came out of my garden. Fuck yourself that's that's really. That's a good attitude an open mic night. But I'm doing when I'm I'm Tony. Oh sorry this is. The brightest kids didn't realize you're you're unwrapping with Jay mcinerney but is slow. New Bar is beautiful stuff charlie by the way all right so chaplain But the Brando Somehow Glenn Ford got into Brando's this kitchen and I thought I'll read Glenn for biography so the only one I could really find was called Glen for life and it was by sun on and can sell the son and he had issues. It's not quite a Davis or Christina. Crawford it's not a complete betrayal but it's in the ballpark so he was okay with it was okay with wire hangers problem. It was By the way I'm surprised that the you watch When they are eventually Lee run Emiko Barrett for the next position that opens up on the Supreme Court. which could be you know you never know life life surprises you but It could be ruth. Bader GINSBURG was out of stomach melanie last week every every time. She's sick now. People wonder I just wonder her sent some that cancer in her life so When they eventually run her the left will do an anti anti-endemic combet Barrett was Faye dunaway? Joan Crawford character seeing Oh wire hangers uh mummy dearest because they always play that car. Yeah of course. There's no mid ground about states making the decision all on its own. It's about the next thing you know. I'll be interrupting lady in the Transportation Dinner on the alley so The Glenn Ford Book Written by I son and it's pretty parts of it where he's very laudatory. I I can't say I didn't find the spratly writer to some degree. I thought is very sweet about his mom. Do you know who gun Ford was married to and had his. I actually didn't know. Do you know the male equivalent of Gene Kelly. Fred Fred Astaire as Well that's obviously there's ginger Rogers and citrus but great the greatest solo dancer ever not has has ginger say foreign shiels backwards was Eleanor Powell. If you go back and watch some of this stuff. There's a movie about why there