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Playwright J. Nichole Brooks Puts Chicago History On Stage

Reset with Jenn White

17:14 min | 11 months ago

Playwright J. Nichole Brooks Puts Chicago History On Stage

"Hi I'm Justin Kauffman and this is reset. One of the most highly anticipated plays. This spring was Veron or gene burns at the looking glass theater. The work centered around the time in Nineteen eighty-one, when then Mayor Jane Byrne moved into Cabrini-green. How does one individual stop gun violence? How do you motivate an entire city? To Stop Gun violence. That's what mayor firms after. That was playwright Jane Colebrook speaking about the play before it opened on March ninth, but by March sixteenth the coronavirus pandemic had shut it down. But whether Harare Jane Byrne Returns to the stage or not. There's plenty more to come from Brooks. Last just made her a playwright resonance for the next three years, and Brooks has promised other plays on Chicago mayors including Harold Washington and Rahm Emanuel. Actor director and writer. Jane Colebrook joins US now welcome to reset. thanks so much for having me. You Know I. Take us through the idea of all the work that goes into putting a play up and then unfortunately having a pandemic shut it down within a week of its opening. Well I let me leave with love and say that though it was a heartache. Greatest joys of my life putting together a play. requires a lot of Patients and forty two. There's a lot of research. I like to do. I'm pretty diligent. I like to get as many of the fact that I can then I throw it all away and I, tried to create something with a dramatic spine, so there was a huge effort to put this play on by so many people and you know. It was the heartache that it had to get shut so early. Why do the play? What? What was it about? The story of Jane, Byrne particular the story of her moving into cabrini-green, the graduate tension. I think I've always been fascinated by Chicago politics I grew up in one of those households where my mom and brother read like three additions of the newspaper The news with always on, you know way before the twenty four hour news cycle, so there was always that buzz in my house. I was very very little, but I do. Remember when Jane. Byrne moved into Cabrini-green Housing Project and I didn't understand much of the politics. I just knew that she was a white lady and she was moving into the projects. And you know not very many people that back then, so I always held onto that memory and I do that often a writer I store things, and then I go back to recollect them, and so Jane was one of those stories. She spoke very clearly me throughout the years, and I finally sat down and decided to pen story. It's a it's a great way to look at Jane Byrne as opposed to putting on a biography play where it's all about her life, because that was such a not just about that mayor at the time, but it was about what Chicago was going through. Some of the same issues that are we're going through today and twenty twenty two mass gun, violence, segregation inequalities, but but that almost that microcosm explained so much about what Chicago was in nineteen, eighty, one and what it is today. Absolutely and what it was and sixty, eight and nineteen nineteen. You know we've come a long way, but not really you know so. These stories are all woven. They're all connected. I didn't want to create a biographical account of gene. Burns lies Let me tell you Jane Burn had a very colorful. And like acclimating life, and you have taken many elements that happened to her. You could have created a story, but this was the one that spoke to me, and I wanted it to be as organic and connected as possible I grew up on the south side. I'm born on the west side, so I understood segregation really well. If I didn't WANNA create a white savior story, I wanted to create a story that would actively put. Some my call to protagonist. Right into it. You know this is not her. Being elected to office, this is. After she's been in office for some time, and you know no one's waving flags. The celebration is over. The gunshots are still happening. There's still people at odds so I feel like nineteen eighty. One is pretty much like south twenty. I Read Ben Austin's book on Cabrini-green not too long ago, and it was interesting because of the experience of of of Jane Byrne. She lived in the I forgot where she lived, she lived in the Gold Coast or in the street or area, and and the idea that she was just just a stretch. I mean almost a walking distance away from cabrini-green, but the way that the city has always been in the way that you know. It was of course in Nineteen eighty-one Crossover one area and. The city's entirely different. Our city has always been divided by viaducts and train tracks, and you know markers James Burn lived on chestnut just off of Michigan Avenue that that's less than a mile from the location of the cabrini-green housing projects. So you know now you go over in that area. There's a target. there. Aren't very many remnants of what it used to be but Chicago Though is a bit more integrated now they're still those same train tracks and viaducts and things that changed from block to block where you can go from incident neighborhoods to the most posh. You know neighborhoods that have everything from Polka to doggy daycare and other people have food deserts so I just WanNa. Give a shout out of love then, Austin. I think it's important that writers of all types. Try to let us know what Chicago was throughout the years because erasure is a dangerous thing, it is interesting to me why it's like I'd love to know why it's important to tell those stories to tell the story of Jane Byrne Cabrini-green from Nineteen Eighty one to an audience in two thousand twenty. They're the generation that only know AIRBNB and You know. I want people to know that Chicago has. Always been home to so many different types of folks. We don't often get to see it. Especially people that live in underserved communities or a hood, the ghetto, the however you want to paint it, and then there are the stories of the folks that lives in the most posh areas. We have to blend those. Those narratives we. We have to get the truth out there. Otherwise I fear that we will have a city that lacks soul and truth, and it's the only way that we're gonNA. Get through this mess that we're in. You know I've always been one to gaze at old architecture. I like golf. I think there go all out the city so for me that provides so many stories and Jane Byrne was One. One of them she was fascinating. I didn't necessarily agree with her politics. You know, but for me. I wanted to create this play to show my interpretation of this moment of time, and you also met so many other characters that were residents of H.. They're they're. Activists are just so many people. Just story cannot belong to one alone, and so. That's why I wrote the the Jane Burn Play. Is there any way? I know how hard it is to put a play up and how much money goes into it and resources, and and of course you know just like you, said the sweat equity that goes into putting. Is there any way because this was cut short? That that you are looking lesser others may remount this at some point to give audiences when maybe we have a vaccine or something a chance to see your work. Sure I, certainly hope so. Don't you know the team at looking glass? We work hard every day to try to figure out how nurture the community where we are now, and we hope to remount plays some day right now. Live theaters. You know it folks. Will it really won't be quite. The same were in this thing across the nation and the world where we're trying to figure out how to bring live theater. Theater back because it is essential, theater can be healing. theater can be informative, so we're hoping to bring this play back in one way or another, but I have to say if it doesn't come back. I'm so glad that she got to live for a few short days and that young kids even got. We have some school. Groups come through the see, and that made me happier than any critic or any sort of. Anybody else coming through I wanNA make a work sodas, these shorties no! Let. The past was so that they can know how to move forward I. You know we always turn to. Our stages are playwrights. An some cases are are writers, but we turn to the theater to have these difficul conversations through the work. And you see great work, and including her honor Gene Burns and others taking on issues, difficult issues of race and Justice and equality when we don't have the experience to go and share in that conversation in a room together because of the pandemic. Where are these conversations happening where it's? Should they be happening? And what did we lose by not having? Playwrights be able to express themselves in this way. I think that the artist is one of the greatest and most dangerous people ever because we can get into all the places all right, and you get into those places, and you hear the stories, and you weave, and you pass them along if we lose that. From live. Theater we'RE GONNA be trapped behind these computers now. Lesson online media can be a wonderful thing, but there is nothing like coming together in space. In watching magic happen. In it's woven by human, so I hope that we don't lose that connection. I hope that as we as a society figure out how to move through this covert world that we can do so remember that live theater and human performance. It dot something for you. It's magic is essential and You. Know I hope we don't move that. You might be willing to listen to me in the play. You may not be willing to listen to me if we're trying to sit down for coffee. Talking about why racism is bad so I. Just put all my words in the play I'm an anti fascist. Out there, you're not gonNA. GET ABOUT THEIR JANA goal brooks playwright, also actress actresses writer director here in Chicago. You were named playwright in residence for looking last theater, which is for three years. How how do you like that? How do you like being a playwright in residence because you have have been in a different theater companies in different roles? Do you like the idea of having a residency at one theater? Working Glass. Theater is my husband fame it is where I've grown up and It's because of looking West theater that I I have a career as a writer, and as a director and of course I've gone on to do other things and we'll continue to, but it means the world's me having this Mellon, foundation a resident playwright. It just means everything to me. It gives me a chance to not. Only just tell the stories that I wanNA share I don't have to cobble together seventy four jobs just to pay rent. You know that's really what a lot of creators face. Food and security you you're. You're working project to project you're you're taking a little bit of money and just stretching it for three years, and it's not really a sustainable way to live, so I'm grateful to have. Have this opportunity I. Hope to create more opportunities like this. Because really this should be the norm. So for the next years I get to create more Chicago story with looking Glass Theater my home team, and and that means I also worked with other artists that aren't necessarily from looking less because I have this wonderful grant so I'm very grateful, excited and hope, I don't screw it up. With the. And when we talk about telling the stories of Chicago history, there's promises of telling more stories through the I guess the characters of Chicago mayors of the past you talked to a teased out in the press release about a play about hair, Washington. City Council and also play about Rahm Emanuel, so tell us what draws you to telling stories through these figures. I when I sat down to write the Jane I'm play, and and I just mentioned to people. Hey I'm writing a play about Jane Byrne. They will say well you know. Herald, and if you mentioned, Herald, they go. Oh, well, you know they daily and daily. People are fascinated with Chicago mayors and I am one of those people. So this is an entire Canon or a trilogy or you know I? It's just a bunch of stories. That I'm hoping to put together about. A specific moment and these mayors life I'm not setting out to make biographical play again. These are all people that have rich and interesting and fascinating lives, but you can't get all that information and the to our play, so I'm trying to so the next play. I'm working on terror Washington in the city council, wars. Yes, we know. The Herald was the first black man spe- elected of the city, and there all these wonderful things about him, but for me the city council wars and you got ever Doley all these other people that. Dramatically interesting to me, so that's where we're going next and I'm going to get around manual. It's amazing to think too. Because your your brain goes right to the imagery of of Dick Mills standing up on top of a desk or you know the screaming and the yelling and the and the scenes that you see if you go to youtube to look at the council wars and any of the footage it's up there. You'll see the doorways of people trying to squeeze through and all of this chaos around whether it's City Council and Council wars of the death of hair, Washington who was in office I mean there's so much richest when it comes to just the the visuals that come to. Nothing like Chicago political theater some to stuff. I really can't write that. You just have to record what happened. Because some of it is so unbelievable and we don't really see a city council. Today like we did in nineteen eighty one. They were passionate. and. I love it because today you may see mayor, lightfoot and Alderman fighting or swearing at each other zoom, or you may catch a hot mic where the mayor says something about somebody who's there and people may. Be. Aghast at at what happened or or talk about it in the moment, but for me it reflects back to a long political tradition and history of of mayors, being almost not ready for television when it comes to how they interact with the press and chicagoans. Well said I remember when I was younger I would look at parliament over in the UK, and how they would just yell at each other and I'm. How could they do that and I'm like Oh wait. That's what they're doing this cargo. They're going at it so I like watching people go at it. My last question for you just as we've seen some of the partner theaters in Chicago, the Victory Gardens comes to mind and others who who have had reckonings in this moment about institutionalized racism, or maybe not promoting diversity for to be a performer and artist collar working in Chicago. What does the theater community need to do to be better? Oh. Confronting Systemic Racism Patriarchy. You know we're often forced to move and spaces where we're told that Hetero normative is the. There's a lot to break down and I think What can we do is Well we have to identify. What these things are. And after you identify it, you have to work tirelessly to tear down all of these systems of oppression. Only way we can move forward. We look forward to those themes being in the new works that surely will come out and looking last theater with their new playwright in residence Jane Goal Brooks. Who has been a playwright and actor director and writer in town? Her honor Jane. Byrne got to run for about a week before. Kovic shut down and we're looking forward to more work. Ms Brooks thanks so much for joining us today and reset appreciated. Kelsey next time. And that's reset. Make sure your subscribe to the podcast plenty more conversations to come with the people that make Chicago Great I'm Justin Kauffman thanks for listening to reset from Chicago's NPR station WBZ.

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February 25, 2021 - Full Show

Chicago Tonight

56:46 min | 2 months ago

February 25, 2021 - Full Show

"Good evening and welcome to chicago tonight. I'm brandis friedman here in our north west side studio parachutes reporting live in the cities. Greektown community on the near west side on the show tonight in general assembly in general family. Second meet the second state representative this week. Replacing michael madigan in how that could put taxpayers on the hook and the pandemic has taken greektown. Restaurant week begins monday. How the corona virus has affected local businesses in the community after becoming flashpoints for protest. In the summer we discussed the future of chicago's public monuments. Covert recovery equity and more will hear from newly elected evanston mayor and former state lawmaker. Daniel biss we go all over okay. If you can't get out if you can't get out we'll tell you what meets white community. Organization is serving groceries to artists in need a local. Urban farmer is growing her operations on the city's southwest side the story behind star farm and free bay. It takes us back to a famous suburban dairy farm that double an amusement park in an all new ask. Geoffrey and brandon is mentioned earlier. I'm in greek town on the city's near west side as part of our in your neighborhood series restaurants tourism. Those are obviously the lifeblood of this community. Those industries have been battered over the last eleven months. What is the future of greektown. We'll talk about ways. The community is coming together to not only survive but thrive. once it's over. But i prance we toss it back to you harris thanks. We'll see you in a bit. And now to some of today's top stories while congress was debating lgbtq protections in equality act illinois congresswoman. Maria newman democrat planted a transgender flag in front of her office to show support for the bill and her daughter. Newman's office is across the hall from the controversial republican. Marjorie taylor green. Who was recently stripped of her committee assignments for her support of conspiracy theories in response green posted a video of herself posting a sign across from newman's office that reads quote there are two genders male and female. Trust the science. The feud continued on social media were green directly targeted and mis gendered. Newman's daughter saying in part quote. Your biological son does not belong in. My daughter's bathrooms locker rooms in sports teams. That post has been widely criticised including by republican. Republican congressman. Adam kensinger said in part quote representative. Newman's daughter is transgender. And this video in tweet represent the hate and fame driven politics of self promotion at all. Evil costs this garbage must end. Meanwhile facebook has apologized to newman for taking down her video of planting the transgender flag. After it mislabelled it hate speech by the way the equality act which prohibits discrimination based on gender identity and sexual orientation. Pass the house this afternoon. By two hundred and twenty four to two hundred and six vote basketball and hockey fans haven't been able to see their teams play at the united center but they may be able to receive a vaccine there as the area is close to becoming a mass vaccination site health officials. Hope to inoculate between five and seven thousand people a day. They're starting next month. According to crain's chicago business the bigger goal is to reach underserved communities that have been hardest hit by the pandemic would help close distribution disparities that have dogged vaccine rollout. the united center's main building won't be open as it was during the election in november instead planners hoped to offer vaccinations both by drive thru and temporary walk in facilities in the parking lot. The federal emergency management agency and the department of defense will reportedly operate the mass inoculation site illinois health officials report nearly nine thousand nine hundred additional cases of covid nineteen and thirty two additional deaths. This brings the total number of known cases here to one point. One hundred eighty one million the statewide death toll is twenty thousand four hundred and six and just over one hundred thirty thousand vaccine. Doses were administered wednesday the highest reported amount to date and chicago's time honored winter. Tradition of dibs will soon be coming to an end. The department of streets and sanitation says it plans to start removing those old lawn chairs buckets milk crates and anything else. Residents have been using to stake out their parking spaces. Starting on tuesday march second city says special attention will be given to address three one one complaint. You can read more on our website. This month's heavy snowfalls have also delayed garbage collection in crews are working to catch up so residents are advised to leave carts out ready for collection. There's been a of turnover in the illinois legislature this week alone. The newest democrat to join the general assembly was sworn into office. Just this morning. That could come at an expense to taxpayers and raises questions about how vacancies are filled in general. Amanda finicky joins us now with more. Amanda rendez talk about rapid turnover. The houses twenty second district has had three state representatives in just two weeks this after fifty years of representation by the same individual nat of course former illinois speaker. Michael madigan just last month. Madigan was born in with all of the other newly elected and re elected lawmakers for his fifth term. Then a week ago today he resigned. He and other local democratic leaders on sunday chose his replacement. I wanted to continue my work on behalf of those in this community by serving in the general assembly as a new generation steps up to lead us into the future. They chose twenty-six-year-old award employee. Edward guerrero kodak. But by yesterday morning not even three full days in quotas have resigned that madigan's own requests after specified questionable conduct came to light that forced those same local democrats back to the table today to choose madagascar's successor's successor in. They picked sunday's runner up. We meet again. Thank you again for the nomination again. My focus and my motivation is to serve the community and its residents of the twenty second district freshly appointed state representative angelic. Our angie is. She says she prefers guerrero. Dr introduced yourself as a thirty year. Old resident of the area mother of two who does plan to resign now that she's a state rep from her community service job. She's married to a chicago. Police officer who she says had been undocumented immigrant. Her parents were immigrants to. I think i would hope that they're proud of me. My mom is a daughter of immigrants. Mom made a decision many years ago to come to this country not knowing what would be her future and her determination in her will and her success I mean. I had her stand next to me when i took that oath because this position is not about me. It's about her and the choices that she made in my dad made and my family's qura. Claire is the first latino to represents the heavily hispanic district now. Madigan was typical taciturn. South about the whole affair beyond complimenting his new state representative madigan says. He's anxious to move forward. He would not go into detail about what happened with kodak nor answer questions about fellow. Democrats complaints about hurting the party. I'm not doing there. I'm not going there. Because i don't want it and other remarks me. Recently meghan did note. The severity of state's fiscal problems fiscal problems that his replacement is going to have to deal with and this goal. Shuffle of representatives could make the severity of those fiscal problems. Even more so illinois could be on the hook for paying february's nearly six thousand dollar monthly legislative paycheck to all three of the individuals who this month have served the twenty second district as a state representative. That's why this is so infuriating. The fact of the matter is is that i don't i don't have a say in not paying it. Because under current state law the controller is required to issue a full month's salary to any legislator whether they served one hour or the full thirty or thirty one days of the month right and so it's outrageous color mendoza says. She has made a formal request to kodak to use. That pay hasn't heard back. She is also making overtures to ask the freshly appointed grew queer to do the same given. The monday starts a new month. That's when her paycheck would kick in grow. Our did take questions from reporters today but she was not asked about this specifically. I did reach out but did not immediately get a callback. Of course she is. Revenue doesn't probably have a staff yet or time to really consider this. Don't mendoza is backing a bill. That would make it so that in the future legislators would instead be paid on a pro rated basis. She's also calling for a change in another area. That is a hive of political activity. Once again. it dude to move fast. Moving on there is a heated three way contest to succeed. Him is chair of the democrat party of illinois. That is a contest. Now between state senator christina castro chicago alderman michelle harris in congresswoman. Robin kelly. mendoza says is not backing anyone over the others. But she wonders whether it is an appropriate role for any elected official. The question here is like when you are elected official. No matter how great of a person you are there's always like a vested interest their right to protect your universe. Of course all three of those. In the running our elected officials will be at different levels of government. That madigan himself held dual roles as speaker of the house at the same time that he served as democratic party of illinois share was in issue and even lead to some legislators calling to ban that practice to you. it'll be a race to watch for sure. Amanda thank you what happens when a chicago neighborhood. Almost entirely dependent on restaurants and tourism is shut down because of covid. Help answer that question. Parish shuts and producer marisa nelson traveled to greek town which has been a dining destination for more than fifty years. It's located in the cities near west side community. Mostly along halsted between randolph. And the jane burn interchange you can see signs of life pop up in the community as restaurants are back to fifty percent. Indoor capacity and to boost business even more competing greektown restaurants. I've decided to come together. Paris spent the day on the near west side as part of our chicago tonight in your neighborhood series and he joins us now with more. Hey paris abe. Yeah i mean. The shutdown cove released struck at the heart and soul of greek town. It's famed restaurants and nightlife spots. And as you mentioned there are signs of life. Now with fifty percent indoor capacity some of the restaurants were able to adapt over the summer. The ones that had outdoor spaces but the community will not come out of the pandemic unscathed. Santa riney a popular spot for many years is shutdown the confluence of low business and high rental rates lots of development gentrification. They're causing headaches for business. Owners restaurant owners specifically that are trying to make ends meet so one of the things they've decided to do is stop competing come together next week. Ten restaurants we'll offer discounts and specials as part of the first ever greektown restaurant week and the greek town chamber of commerce president who is also the owner of a restaurant here called spectrum says his business owners now are full of optimism. Rick going nowhere. We've been here for decades and decades. I personally behalf of forty years. This place here. I've been for thirty three years. And i'm excited to be part of it on the president at a great chamber of commerce. And we do different events throughout the year to help the neighborhood and i don't think the neighborhood has been so together than any other pint and one of the restaurants. Participating is athena another staple in the neighborhood for thirty years owner delilah. You'll kana credits loyal customers with keeping the restaurant going throughout the dark times and the pandemic doing takeout now. She says she's invested in the infrastructure of her restaurant now to try and coax customers indoors we've implemented air filtration systems to make sure that customers feel comfortable that the dining experience is going to be comfortable for people social distancing mask wearing making sure that everything is sanitizing cleaned so once people feel that comfort level and see it. We've seen people pour in and be super happy to come out and enjoy laughing and having company and finally getting out of the house. Another cornerstone in the greek chicago. Community is the national hellenic museum. It is closed but it is serving an important function right now. It is the coordination site for a food. Drive being run by the greek orthodox. Church now organizers say they've distributed more than fifty thousand meal kits since the start of the pandemic and each meal. Kit has fifteen meals in it in organizer. Yanni siennas says the program is also going to start providing care for some of the city's homeless population cove. It wasn't the reason that we establish this program but it was a catalyst a greater sense of urgency for us to really kick into high gear. So we'll be going tomorrow. Let's say with volunteers from the community to different underneath the highways viaducts. Things of this nature to help provide people not only with food fifteen twenty meals but also we want to keep them warm and safe and other common threads in the community signs of the communities trying to band together street. Art they've commissioned street art program kind of like the cows on parade from twenty-five years ago. These are fish on parade specifically love rocky and the overarching themes in the artwork. On all of these different fish are love. Unity and the greek notion of philo timo blitz about Embracing everyone and bringing them in like family. So this is kind of encompassing the two sides that were kind of going at it. As cova the positivity rate in this zip code is below the city average at about two point eight percent as of last measurement and the community is helped by a giant vaccination site at the basketball arena. Run by you i. Health officials say they're doing about one thousand vaccinations per day there. But they have the capacity for four times that they're just waiting for the vaccination delivery to speed up in one customer today. Who received her second. Shot described the process as quick painless friendly and she feels like a new person. I feel and my kids are school teachers and they've been vaccinated also so now we could just get together. I think so where baskin's distances but still Finally get to hug everyone and you see infectious disease physician. Dr susan believes dale. Say they made a concerted effort to reach out to the hardest hit communities on the south and west side to make sure that they're getting priority to come and get vaccinated. So it's not just folks going on a website and waiting for it to refresh. They are proactively reaching out to members of the community. It's been really important. I think to reach out to people to make the appointments available to them and so we have used multiple methods if we have a phone number. That's mobile will send a text message with linked to schedule if we have an e mail. We're sending it to them. And then we're also making phone calls to help for those people that aren't technologically savvy. Brennan's will be back in a bit with the areas alderman. Walter burnett about some city council intrigued. But i toss it back to you. Here's thank you a chicago. Commission says forty one of the city's more than five hundred public monuments are problematic. The chicago monuments project was formed. Last year after statues of christopher columbus became focal points of protests in have long been criticized by indigenous americans. This review of monuments is part of a racial healing and historical reckoning project. And its first report says many historical figures. Besides columbus are on the list joining us now to give us. Their thoughts are run honest. E honesty's me president of both the joint civic committee of italian americans and the italian american sports hall of fame cesario marino visual arts director at the national museum of mexican art moreno is on the chicago. Monuments project advisory committee and by mcdonald president and ceo of landmarks illinois. And one of the three co chairs of the project. All of you welcome to chicago tonight. And thank you for joining us finding mcdonald. Let's start with you please. As we just said you're one of the co chairs of this project. What mission were you all gibbon. Yes thank you very much. Brandis your gave us the job of really reviewing. The cities are a public art collection and then determining within that art collection. Where did we see that. There were problematic narratives within that collection. This is an opportunity for us to have a public dialogue about what we see in our public space about what we want to see our public space and then to consider really what new works. Are we going to create in this process to think about the future of orioles as well. Now the monuments project you all have listed forty one monuments that are problematic potentially problematic bonnie again to you. What were the criteria that determined problematic or potentially problematic monument the we had multiple criteria brands. We're looking for monuments that may speak to of white supremacy. I'll we were looking at depictions of of indigenous peoples as you mentioned and where they those characterizations are not accurate. We were also looking at people who had some relationship to acts of racism slavery or also eject site in the process and then also what was missing in our collection as well as you'll see if you look through our selection as chicago monuments dot org. That were missing depictions of women of people of color and also important movements that are history such as our labor movement migration immigration to our city. And we wanted to address with the public and learn what they thought about this collection now. Ronin st statues of columbus. Long been a source of contention Evoking really strong feelings from native americans. But also of course italian-americans Nba is possible to find common ground on this. I really believe so brands. Because you know many of the people that were involved in the other will say the other side of the table Hasn't really realized is truly how much this is affecting our italian american community. I mean it's been said that. A what has been perceived as a one sided dialogue and about christopher columbus shouldn't be replaced with another one sided narrative about christopher columbus. So we should also that. We did reach out to several native american members of the advisory committee. But none were able to join us this evening. But ron is there an argument to be made. Then that the history of columbus in america should be taught with more nuance absolutely. I mean there's there's there's so many perspectives here but we have authors have scholars. We do believe we have the facts and all the The negatives about columbus what he represented you know. We have our side of the story as well and i believe the city of chicago with this tremendous undertaking That they're doing with this monuments project. We're very excited about it. Because they have. The city has a unique opportunity to put together different communities about this. I mean what they hit. What hasn't happened here. Brandis is all these beautiful things that opportunities that this commission is creating dialogue basically every meaning. If you don't mind me saying is relatively the same thing. It's one sanders side. The other side sanders site every meeting is like we have a unique opportunity here to get everybody from the intellectual community on both sides in a room to come up with some equitable resolve of a narrative. That represents everybody. That's what we're looking for so sorry marino given that even people who may have accomplished great things also made mistakes or they had blind spots. History is told us. Is there a case to make that. Perhaps we should not be putting people on a pedestal anymore. You know what. That's a great suggestion in. We're collecting a lot of suggestions like that obviously Human beings are flawed flawed species. And over time. I think a lot of times the the our past comes back to haunt us and although somebody can be a hero in one aspect of their life Certainly there may be other aspects where you know they're not a hero person at all So with with the the lens of history. I think humans oftentimes fall short. And maybe it's time to start thinking more about a concepts right so so thinking about as as was mentioned earlier immigration labor. These are two huge things so the city of chicago and certainly we don't need another person cast in bronze to represent says. Reo there are very few monuments as bonnie mention just a bit ago that are dedicated to women or people of color. How do you think that should be redressed. you know. i think it's a matter of really asking the residents of chicago and In in some way taking our time if this is not going to be fixed overnight this is going to be fixed just in one year. So it's really a matter of thinking who is here who contributed And how can we really exemplify the. How can we memorialize their actions across the city of chicago. Neighborhoods as well as in the downtown area now. Five statues of lincoln were also flagged bonnie mcdonald. Tell us why he made the list. Because i think that might be a surprise for a lot of people. Yeah thank you brandon. They do know. That's a surprise to people as we've heard public feedback about the listing of of abraham lincoln especially given the land of lincoln and this is a real opportunity to look at lincoln as a complicated figure in history in his acts as the as the great emancipator and fighting for the freedom of enslaved people stand signed by side with the fact that he also his legacy includes the expulsion of of indigenous people from the west and the south which continued on after because of his policies so we need to examine our historical figures. I think desire just said that you know that is very difficult to have a person representing entire movement of abolitionists because as jammed side by side with their actions throughout their life. Run a nasty. What would you hope comes from this entire process that the chicago monuments project is embarking on. Well exactly what the their mission is. You know increased dialogue. But we want to be a part of this dialogue. These statues came down without the italian market community. Being involved in it and we have to understand and folks have understand it as that statue doesn't really represent us. Christopher columbus achievements as much as it represents the traditions of patients of people as since eighteen ninety s. So i would love to see a. I would love to sit down with indigenous people with to come to some agreement. Some resolve here to increase communication between the community members so that we're all representative. You're talking about diversity. You're talking about inclusion anytime. Those are the buzzwords of the day. Well we want to be included in this. I want to be able to. We want to be able to have a monument or something that represents the traditions that we have celebrated for generations and cesario marina. We've got about thirty seconds left. But what kind of feedback have you received from community members so far you know again everybody. The listening to really brings up the idea of education It is paramount that The pieces that sculptures really serve to educate our citizens our residents on our tourists and really give a complete and complex. Sometimes the stories are conflicting. But it's important that we be transparent and really try to tell the complicated stories so is key and then you know what happens that remains to be seen all get an education as we as we watch this process. I thanks to bonnie mcdonald ronin. St and sorry marino for joining us up next look into a local organization. Dedicated to supporting. Chicago's black musicians stick around. Don't ever miss chicago tonight. To our podcast. Get a daily download of our show delivered to your desktop or mobile device. Go to w t w dot com slash chicago tonight. Podcast and subscribe and there's much more news ahead including the mayor elect of evanston but first chicago artist is working to make sure no musician is left behind with a community organization dedicated to black musicians in chicago arts correspondent angel edo shares how that mission has quickly expanded to serve anyone in need. It was god sent to me to be able to do something for some musicians. Can't play they can't say they can't appear in clubs. They know how their fields because of the that being able to sing for two years. I was homeless eight out of garbage cans and i just decided that because life music has been my life. I know how these musicians feeling something. It was on her birthday last october. One chicago artists the maxwell decided to create black musicians matters with help from community partners like guardian interest security company. The group delivers food on a weekly basis. They won't reach out because we have so much fried. So what i do is i just go and call and them. Do you need something. I need musicians chicago musicians to know. Please get in touch with us. We will come to you if you can't get out. We covered the west side. We went to melrose park. We went to ole part all year. We go to the hundreds with donations from go. Fund me the group is also able to provide monetary support for artists. Like bass guitar player. Joe pratt who was the band director at the east odyssey lounge before the pandemic hit a big box food i was given money and then came in handy at the time. I really really needed it. Because bills need to be paid musicians. Charles crane and burns have also support fema silvio in a. It was right on time. Take my word on it. And i love apples. They gave me a fresh apples. Yes is what's going on. It's been tremendously mason. Beef stew of the night and the organization primarily serves black artists but they worked to help anyone in need whether they be homeless older adults or even single parents. We had one girl was the name. Britney britney that's that's she had four kids and was homeless while chicago musician. Ronnie baker brooks has not received a he seen its impact. Firsthand is inspirational. And if you get so disgusted how can you be creative or is so negative all the time. That's all you're gonna talk about. That's all you're going to sing about so it's very important that we support each other inspire but it doesn't stop there. I didn't form this organization just for food. And just for money iphone his organization because i have a dream i have the vision. I want to put up a building in brownsville. That will house musicians if they get on bad. Look this is my dream there for chicago tonight. I'm angel ito and food. Pickup is now available every friday from ten. Am to one pm at the east odyssey lounge for anyone who needs it. There's more information on our website and still to come on chicago tonight. The outlook for greektown. How rent costs in the corona virus. Pandemic are impacting the future of this near west side neighborhood tackling national issues like segregation and climate change on the local level. How evanston 's new mayor hopes to do it and urban farmer is turning the long vacant property on the city's southwest side into a food co-op. We have those details and jeffrey bear on. What's left of treasure dairy farm and amusement park that one student chicago's northern suburbs in ask geoffrey but i some more of today's top stories drivers who use the illinois tollway will no longer be able to use cash to pay the toll. The illinois tollway halted cash collection at the start of the pandemic last year. And says it's not coming back. The toll ways says more than ninety two percent of toll transactions. Were through the i pass and easy pass in twenty nine thousand nine. Additionally the agency is expanding its. I pass assist program to help. Those whose household income is below two hundred and fifty percent of the federal poverty guidelines twenty million dollars in chicago. Park district. improvements may be on the way mayor lori. Lightfoot is proposing the use of tax increment finance or tiff dollars to pay for the improvement projects. Proposed upgrades include improvements. To reese parks house in belmont creggan camping platforms and nature trail for big marsh park in south deering and new equipment in resurfacing ten playgrounds across the city. The measures were introduced at wednesday's meeting of the city council and now await approval and now we head back out to parachute who spent the day in greek town in chicago's near west side community area as part of our chicago tonight in your neighborhood series paris. Hey branson. we're joined now by the local. Alderman alderman walter burnett and other memory awards pretty big and encompasses a lotta places Including here in greektown i. There's a weird city council meeting where they were going to vote on kovic stimulus funds and how to spend it got delayed till tomorrow. What's gonna happen tomorrow. Well i think tomorrow is going to get voted on a the thing about deferring publish at the next meeting. You have to vote so as either going to be voted up or down. And i think it's going to be voted up I think people are going to vote for us to utilize the federal government money to help relieve some of the things that we have going on in the city and a of your progressive colleagues and also edberg are upset that two hundred eighty one million dollars of it or police personnel costs. Are you upset as well or do you think that's appropriate. Nah i tell you when When the pandemic i happen all of us wanted to do something and go see people we can go into buildings they use. The police got a cousin who's a cop they had to go to the hospitals. They had to go into everywhere because no they wouldn't allow anyone else to do it. Except the police and a lot of police officers was catching covid. Nineteen right in doing so. And they didn't have enough supplies for them so i think they deserve it. I think they worked hard but it had to deliver food to the seniors. They had to do well being checks. They had to go on all the buildings. I mean they did a lot of work. Yeah and unfortunately a couple of police officers died of gifts over the last year So alderman here in greek town we we talked to restaurant owners surviving even though they haven't been able to do a lot of business over the last eleven months What's the prospect here for For further survival and future wants to restaurants. Go fully back. Well i'll tell you these guys very resilient You know what's holding a mutt is the community ordering takeout food right if you go into restaurants most today businesses being taken out deliveries. That's helping them a lot. But but it's still. They're still hurting real bad So there's light at the end of the tunnel. They happy that they were able to get more people in this week. We hope that people get their their vaccines. More restaurants opened up. Because they've been dying. We got new places that open up. They can't even rent them out. A lot of vacancies in brand new buildings. Cause people won't even rent a place right now because they can't do anything so as heard a lot of folks what about the covert situation. We you know. The mayor's talked about trying to get the equity numbers. The rate higher in the african american and hispanic community have have they had enough access in your word. Well then caught a doctor's if they go to the doctors in a lot of the nonprofit doctors Do have some of the vaccines. People just need to make an appointment. I'm just hoping folks to do it the way i see it. It's about freedom. Having a cova having a vaccine is had a freedom freedom to move freedom to come out for him to go to places freedom to not have to worry about. If you're going to hurt somebody else that if somebody's going to hurt you get that freedom and social justice. Get this shot. You know people need to go do it. They get it all right. All burnett Alderman walter brunette. That's where we're going to have to leave it. Thank you so much for joining us out here. Good to see. Ed help greektown thank you all right. All right and brandis will be back with more on greek town and just a bit but first we toss it back to you. I guess it is his job to be the cheerleader. Greektown out there. Thank you very much absolutely now to fill safe for a one on one with evanston mayor elect phil brandis. One of chicago's most populous suburbs soon. To have a leader who is familiar statewide. Former state legislator in gubernatorial candidate. Daniel won the election for mayor of evanston this week with nearly seventy four percent of the vote and daniel biss joins us now daniel -gratulations on your victory. Exactly when do you take office on first of all thank you feel. It's great to be with you even remotely this evening. I'll take office on mate hence So there is a runoff election. That i don't have to be on because of the marginally won by on tuesday that occurs on april. Six that will determine the whole city council. The we're all seated together on monday. We just heard paris. Talking to autumn and burnett about the impact of covert and so forth What is it that you can do as mayor of evanston to help people recover businesses. Recover with or without state or federal aid certainly without state or federal a. Tell us a great formula to me. I think collaboration between state local and federal government is absolutely critical here but of course the local government has an important role to play evanston chicago but unlike most cook county suburbs has its own health department which plays a critical role in back seen distribution so as we ask ourselves questions about the fisher and see the transparency equity of vaccine distribution. That's determined in part for evans-jones by the evanston health department led by the city government's. That's an important aspect and then of course the economic recovery is going to be absolutely critical as well much much. Light cow alderman. Burnett was talking about in greek town. There are plenty of empty storefronts in evanston. There's a tremendous concern about the the small businesses. That really give some of its offbeat feel the recovery and the repopulation of those storefronts is going to be critical. For our community. You allude to equity. Where do you plan to do. What can you do about. Equity regarding say housing segregation is proud to be leading the country as the first municipality to put in place of reparations program and we put that in place because of an acknowledgement of the municipalities historical role through redlining and other policies that directly and explicitly enforced segregation in not only treating immorally segregated neighborhoods but therefore creating and growing the massive racial. The health gap so the reparations program that we're going to put in place is obviously an important step. But there's lots more if you look at the way that zoning codes have been designed they were designed to enforce economic to some extent racial segregation that needs to be rolled back you look at inclusionary housing policies. They can be expanded and improved to allow for for for not just the diversity that we like to talk about but integration as well because diversity and segregation is really not an adequate solution to the racial justice problems facing this country for clarification. The the reparations program. It's money for housing improvements and morgan mortgage assistance which is funded by a marijuana dispensary tax. You also called for changing the way the city handles emergency calls and you want to focus more on say social work response as opposed to strictly law enforcement response. How do you pay for it. And how do you do that. Well the way i think about. Is this a police. Officer is a very very special and unique type of government employees. There's no other government employee who shows up to solve a problem with a gun with a badge with power to place you under arrest. Take away your liberty and put you in a cage that those are a specialized set of capabilities and they ought to be deployed only for a very special set of problems that require that type of response but right now we're calling upon police officers who are trained to do a specific. Thanks you all kinds of other stuff. As well to deal of mental health crises abuse crises had approached deescalation to to keep crowds of controlled in in safe and peaceful situations and more and so we need to do is to ensure that we're doing an entire audit of what all evanston police officer currently called upon to do what tasks they're called upon to perform and having done so fitter out. Listen here are the things that in fact. Those capabilities are necessary for it. Here's another question of things that that someone else could do. Better someone else's trained for someone else's prepared for by the way that someone else's likely less hostile to employ because of the very special special costs that come with point police officers because of the danger liquid themselves and so if we do this properly which will have to be. Gradual have to be rolled out thoughtfully carefully but it will not only provide a true sense of shared safety for all rather than security for some also it a lower cost for community since you left springfield you have been working on climate change issues. What is it that a municipality can do to fight. Climate change their deal with global warming and the absence of say a national for it well every municipality every individual needs to recant. I don't want to pretend that the city of evanston it's gonna sell climate change by itself but the back that we can't unilaterally fix everything doesn't mean that we shouldn't try instead it means it'll be responsibility to do what we hand because no one entity can do it. All the city of has a climate action of resilience plan on the books that was most recently updated a couple years ago. That plan has an ambitious targets like carbon free electricity by twenty thirty total carbon neutrality by twenty fifty zero waste twenty fifty and more so those are great numbers. You can put those numbers on a piece of paper you can put out a press release and celebrate but actually implementing that and hitting those goals and making sure. We transform our building codes that are transportation mechanisms are zoning codes the way we handle based and more to actually achieve those targets is going to require a tremendous amount of work. And if we do that properly we can lead other communities a law solutions to these climate change. Problems are going to require a number of different entities learning from one another pushing one another perhaps even in a friendly way competing with one another to ensure that we get to a spot where preserving the basic liveability of this planet. Daniel best thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it all the best. Thanks and up next. The food co-op is coming back. It's coming to chicago's back yards neighborhood. But i look at the weather she got tonight is made possible in part through the generous support of the julius prankul foundation. Local urban grower is well growing her operations to include a food. Co-op on chicago's southwest side. W w news reporter patty wet lead joins us. Now with more on star farms petting i. What is star farm. And who's the local broher behind the operations. Yes start firm is one of chicago. Sort of small but mighty urban farms the couple of sites in operates on equal up to route in acre in back of the yards and it was founded by stephanie. done Who works the land with some employees volunteers and her husband Really basically to kind of provide healthy food options in the back of the yards neighborhood which is better known as the hub for the meat packing industry back in the day right. So where does stephanie want to the food op and why they yes. She found a building at the corner of ashland in fifty third street south ashland and walking distance from her farm so easy for her to get her fresh produce there a but also because it's in the heart of what is essentially a food desert. She said you know. This is a great way to provide healthy fresh produce to folks where the local options kind of ten to be liquor stores convenience stores or food pantries or where they can get their food. Okay so best of luck to her. Patty wetland thanks as always for joining us expertise and you can read pads full story on our site. That's w. w. dot com slash news. And now we check back in with parachutes. he's been day in greektown as part of our chicago. Tonight in your neighborhood series peres. Brennan's were joined now by. George reveille otas. Who is a greektown special service commissioner. The owner of our tablets bakery cafe and george. Thank you for joining us out here on this chilly night. So first of all greektown restaurant week starts next week. It's the first ever of its kind. Tell us what people can expect. Thank you very much. Thank you for having me The event is in commemoration of two hundred years of independence From the ottoman empire March twenty fifth of eighteen twenty. One was the year. The date that be greeks Revolt against the ottoman empire and eventually succeeded and achieve their independence. So you're celebrating. Greek independence two hundred year of greek independence. But also as i understand. It's a way to sort of bring the community together to get people back in restaurants in greektown. Yes most definitely most definitely and It's it's a. We're we're using this great date For the commemoration but for every commemoration That we celebrate. It is a means of gathering Families friends Hopefully we can put a nice positive spotlight On the on all the merchants the restaurants cafes all the stores in greek. Tom how are they alterman brunette. Say there's a couple. Empty store storefronts. santorini had to shut down. That been here for a long time beyond that is a future looking. Okay for some of these longtime institutions. The future i believe is It looks very promising. Not just for greek on. But i believe for the whole city for the whole state This pandemic has affected Basically every type of business that's on main street versus wall street as they say there is that big schism and it's very apparent to a lot of the businesses mom and pop type operation especially I believe and hopefully with the vaccination That people will hopefully receive Things will return back to normal and people will feel comfortable to go out and about and frequent the businesses again. Tell us about the history of greek town because all of us kind of notice holstead and we've been coming to these restaurants for so many years but it's it's shifted in the last several decades because right in front of us is the giant jane. Burn interchange all the highways here. How did that impact the community. Well i remember an old timer here told me that chicago at one. Time extended only through harlem avenue. Everything was inside that that that perimeter and So back then you had pockets. You had neighborhoods and yet here. You had a lot of a big concentration of greeks. You had little italy. You had Other communities other neighborhoods that had pulls and Nationalities as well at one time there were there was a very big concentration of greeks that live here. I'm hosted And it did extend south to where you i see is currently right now Of course there have been migrations. They did touch down here. And then as they progress they moved out further and further away from the center. It's you know keeps the character here with with restaurants George yoda's we have to leave it there. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. Good luck ed restaurant week next week. Thank you very much. Thank you are apprentice will wrap it up from here just a few minutes first. We toss it back to you restaurant with good time for some greek food. It sounds like s up next in all new. Ask geoffrey ask. Geoffrey is brought to you in part by bmo harris bank ready. Let me just grab my world. I've seen this before while it way too big skinny jeans skinny. I'll just carry before you break something you should know. You don't actually need a it would be more harass. You can just take cash out with your phone or if you need to. You can pay him with zell that works this. Doug aren't you smile. Those genes way too tight. That feeling again. No wallet is no big deal. That's the beam affect what does a twentieth century electricity baron. I'm to do with a spitting lama at a suburban petting zoo. Jeffrey bear is here with the story of the hawthorn. Mellody dairy farm in this week's ask geoffrey. Hello jeffrey and welcome back. Try not to spit. Please don't lama so this question comes from a viewer. Tom mclean. the question is when i was a kid. My classmates took a field trip to the hawthorn mellody dairy farm. Unfortunately i wasn't able to attend. What did i miss out on. Oh tom you missed out on a lot but after all these years we're going to make it up to your right now so here. We go the former hawthorn. Mellody farm was both a working dairy and a very popular tourist attraction in chicago's northern suburbs. Straddling vernon hills and libertyville again. Not only did they offer a tour of the dairy but they also random newsman. Part with a wild west town and there was a petting zoo. We're gonna get all of that in just a minute. The origins of hawthorn mellody can be traced back to someone. You may have heard of no not teddy roosevelt. The other guy standing next to him in this one thousand nine hundred seventeen photo samuel insult founder of commonwealth edison. Which of course. Today we call com. Ed insult was one of many early twentieth century moguls. Who built country estates in lake into page counties with so called hobby farms which were really just a way for owners to dabble in the farm. Life insult oversaw. A mid west electricity empire was a monopoly provided almost all of chicago's electricity in the early twentieth century controlled electric railroads including the l. system. All that splendour came crashing down during the great depression. When insoles companies went bust and his small time mom and pop investors do too many of them lost their life savings insult after that became a poster child for social inequity nineteen thirties. He fled to europe was eventually extradited back to chicago. He was tried for fraud and embezzlement but he survived all that and moved back to europe where he died. Wow what a story jeffrey. So what became of the farm after insole well in the late nineteen thirties. The property was purchased by john. Cuneo senior who in company magnate and he had a wide range of business interests q. Neo bought up surrounding farmland. Any really expanded the dairy operation and he kept the original apart at least the original hawthorn farm name The dairy in the farm a raced horses and hogs and poultry of you know the big business was those dairy cows at its peak. The company distributed milk and other products all over the chicago region. I'm gonna date myself right now. I totally remember these milk trucks. When i was a kid hawthorn mellody welcome thousands of families and school groups. And they marveled at dairies newfangled mechanized bilking process which was advertised as quote free of human touch. And then there was that amusement park i talked about including the wild west town officially known as hawthorne gulch which featured in old time bank general store and covered wagons. It was one of the stops on a miniature steam railroad that took visitors on tours of the property and i went there on as a kid. I totally remember this. And i remember the wild west town had this little sort of boot hill cemetery with these wooden tombstones with those funny epitaphs. Like i told you. I was sick and trigger but slow on the draw and then of course petting zoo sometimes called children's zoo and they had turkeys ducks and a reportedly as you mentioned in the introduction. Very popular spitting lama. I don't know why that made the llama popular and check this out. Even circus animals like elephants. Not sure any suit. Today i would allow people especially children to get this close to a wild animal. Even if it's a baby elephant spitting. Rama was popular with the kids though. Jeffrey melody hawthorne melodies use no longer around today. What happened to it. Well so in the late nineteen sixties. cuny oh mr cuneo. Selling off portions of the dairy in the land of the amusement park closed in the nineteen seventies after the attendance starting to sag now hawthorn mellody brand continued to exist under various corporate owners until it finally was phased out fizzled out in the early. Nineteen nineties today. Most of that vernon hills. Property has been thoroughly. Suburban is home to subdivisions. And of course the hawthorne mall a small. Not what used to be there of the shocking pink cuneo mansion by the famous architect. Benjamin marshall and the jen's jensen designed grounds. All that is still there. And that's been open for tours. Actually for many years on the site is now owned and operated as a conference center and event space by loyola university of chicago and check this out. We found at least one trace of author melody left in chicago. This goes sign on a building near horner park on the north side. Looks like it might have been a corner grocery. Wow i learn something new every time. Jeffrey thank you. Thanks jeffrey. And don't forget that you can visit our website for more details about hawthorn mellody and while you're there. Don't forget to submit your own question to jeffrey bear. That's w. w. dot com slash ask geoffrey and. That's our show for this thursday night. Please join us tomorrow night at seven. Four the weekend review. And we'll be tonight with a musical number performed by billy branch featuring holly v maxwell now for all of us here at chicago tonight. I'm brandis friedman parachutes. Thank you so much for watching. Goodnight nov who is captured. These possible by robert a clifford and clifford lost a chicago personal injury and wrongful death. That's proud to serve its community through pro bono legal services.

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Although today we might as well call merciful zubaydah need bitter bang hail. Yeah this is not a little more graphic in your normal less madman book. And i'm okay with that pointed out. I mean it's a wonder to what against it's the nineties. Be extreme. But i wonder if anyone complain. You're like oh yeah. We went extra violent. This show the kids. That drugs are bad. You get you killed okay. well god knows. The deer program didn't work so proven ruin fats. Low pal pfizer. Suck in nancy reagan menial a meanwhile in manhattan new spider-man sets up his camera to photograph in arm siege on penthouse apartment. The penthouse's owned by one of the kingpins drug dealers. The are men come seasons hatch of drugs. The dealer insists that he has no product on him for these are meant in open. Fire spiderman comes crashing in quickly webs everyone Phoning the police l. my i the people glassmakers of the marvel universe love simon office superheroes vicky thin in business but especially this fancy boy spider man. Daredevil has come crashing through skylights recovering. His camera king the selfie swings around the city thinking about how tense things have gone into the city because of an influx of drugs onto the streets with the increase in drug-related crime. Spiderman wishes he still had the powers of captain universe to solve the problem. That you do buddy your readers. Don't but i bet you buddy everything in the nineties everyone on much to even captain universe lay the the what is three months. They have to get an did. They left felt like an attorney while spiderman three books a month at books and owning hoping the stymie the blow drugs in the city's spider mansa lead is a delivery that is scheduled to arrive in brooklyn the next day returning home. Peter parker discovered that his wife. Mary jane is home from her secret. Hospital shoots house. That's right seeing the dishes from the night before. Causes peter to. Area flashback to or call the shock of discovering that his girlfriend who is ex girlfriend. Lisa hardee's dating flash thompson at the time. Peter freaked out but had back down less. You reveal his seek. Reveal his secret identity mary. Jane covered by telling flash that they had met palatial or heater then had to fight his tongue as they all had dinner together and wonder what police shows load of czar up panel where. She's just like reading her off. His leg has had me i put i know. She's order whatever that she's like. How dare you get married. After i broke up with like answer this equation are turned killer. Vaki abby nobody can even better poor flashy boy alone but then eventually bit hauled. Murder sent yields trout. Bet and guess what we're follow love. Saw as peter gets down to washing the dishes. He figures he married jane. She talk about it before the situation gets worse. And now here's a ask. Subplot that laugh neighbor day meanwhile at the prison in colorado which makes more sense than having the maximum purity supervillain prison in the heart of new york In colorado security reports that eddie brock has hung himself in his cell hearts. Go out to the cell to check on him and discovered that iraq is dead. This leaves one question. What happened in paris. We weren't here. I had to do the job. I'm sorry prisoners down that aliens like a lot of places that even i wa. What a warehouse in that high ability new jersey. The punisher pass out new editions provided the him by microchip. Franks assistant has been working to find out where this current supply of pain is coming from although it originates in columbia micros unable to determine who is responsible for the shipments however has learned job happening in brooklyn in the brooklyn. Dock that evening the punisher microchip that they could fill in the blanks. When he investigates the brooklyn shipment. Although it'd be missile. Peter goes the faa nathan had another attacker killer mara hazy aging mr baltra paging vulture. When he didn't like six issues that light spiderman is sticking out the docks when he's plotting number of armed men arriving on the scene turning on his spider signals spiderman swings down to confront them thugs to retaliate. Butter stopped dead in their tracks. The wall crawler spider sense begins going off to that. There is something behind him. Turning around he sees the punisher has arrived on the scene. The punisher explained that he has come to determine if there are drugs aboard his ship warning. The web slinger not get in his way. Spiderman tells the punisher that he's there for the same reason as the vigilante consider going in without guns unfortunately the punisher such thing and runs up to the ship with guns blazing. Oh yeah. He's incompetent mood today. But the way we love denying the talker so many spent shell casings. Nobody can hear anything machine. Ben fist in it like in a little hellfire drinking binge paving but they are opposed by armed guards aboard the ship. With what led flying all over the place. Spider-man mashes through the horse of he and the punisher can hit into the cargo hold kids smash them Yeah there are more guards which keep spiderman busy. Meanwhile the punisher discovers the cocaine hidden barrels of coffee wonders such long live the morning drive by america runs on dunkin. Baby seriously must be joking. He has cornered one. The armed veteran demand gives up who their suppliers the refuses and tries to shoot the punisher vigilant of he mows them down this upset. Spare mayday checks the body and can find it can only find a chord with vagner strip. The punisher tells spider man that he played palm. They abandon ship. It goes off and sinks the ship all of droughts happy fish in that river. Back punishers van. The vigilante has microchips. gan the card. Yeah denied these bad battle. Vans all over the place. The punisher hurt secret. Like karl average in the Painting your colors utada here the punisher the ninja turtles have i thank reveals that the man who was carrying the card was a member of the us army although they now though that someone within the military's amassing the largest hatch of drugs in the united states the only question. They have now facts. Because i'm here for that. If that's what they were. What does the government was stock. Rally drivers know. What does that mean. People who sell drugs to the community of trucks to the community. So yeah any notes here. A half the universe man. Oh you're so blackadder though spiderman started dating the blackout cat in amazing spider man. Twenty six. he'd revealed his identity to her. Peter parker the spectacular spider man. Eighty seven here at grant every frigging day. What were you thinking hid. Can you imagine maybe the principal. Lisa are you know. Wipe that yeah. That's all that is that web shooter heater ended their relationship and peter parker the spectacular spiderman. One hundred when he learned that she had made it. The kingpin arch quite good long years in time. But you know it was invoked then so will allow it. Oh at the this reminded me. You know what she found out. He was married right. She goes she went looking at the federal powers. They had already moved out on ours. The fed him smash around and he's like oh the way didn't know where he was either. Life that's hilarious. Yeah i remember. That boxing senator. Oh that's right todd mcfarlane black cat. Oh man told. Revenge the spider slayers man. That's super goes down. There are bellybutton passer belly button. Appealing literally could see your belly button underneath pelvic buttons in the model year versus a hall of the drug repair extra strong bikini wax not moral universe. Oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah. Squirrel electra pathak roles on the connects maintain wide electro of flapping in the breeze long for we get cancelled her. All right amazing spider man. Three thirty one from april nineteen ninety that that's standard issue to the title contract Hellfire fire allegedly dogs dogs Dogs shallow held him out. Like you email. Oh yeah because. I remember they did this at this time with some of these. Because you get like a bunch of characters at the talk little mini pictures the spider spiderman and the punisher battling a bunch of robots. Now give me my little head at the top. There's just yeah the first one. The first covers a lot better just spiderman in the punisher on the cover get shot out easy like overhauls behind him and stop the wall battle in the city or something. I don't like it. yeah. I come with me. I'll train. 'em how federal for captain frigging bucky o. Straight knowledge will be sober about it. Carry pooh-poohed all over the what. I'm gonna do not challenged to be the warm light. I mean a pilot ceo. Yeah charlie defender wonder woman. I don't think even lightning needs. Just wanted to be the contrarian all right the standard. Black cat has broken in the peter and mary. Jane soho apartment. She could prince. Mary jane telling her that she has come to prove her lover spider. Man mary jane will knock you out. Powers that no name. By god i would have been so funny at these would of went at it. Should i break this up or should i get my camera. I'll get my camera. She has convinced herself that his recent marriage the mary jane with a rebound after they broke up. Oh honey this is as you blah. Like when doesn't mean he really loved you. now i've been ill. The power chad said he breaks up with his lawns at breakneck speed is looking. See that the powers right now. The voted the winning peter's love again. She explained that she has started dating flash thompson in order to break his heart breaking classes. This somehow convince spiderman. They need to be together as mary. Jane tries to calm yourself found after this encounter after releasing out the window. She is startled by the return of her husband when he drops through the skylight. The good old satellite peter asher. What is the matter. She tells her husband that they need to talk Wildwood new jersey once again that island scum and villainy the punisher microchip passed out his news. Thing ball grenades. That can stunning opponent. Not wearing i protection. So high tech arsenal give you. The oda microchip figures that frank will need this investigation into an influx of drugs in new york. Is somehow the work of people within the united states army say spiderman assisting them with this investigation. The the punishers still still thinks they need. The hurry were the surplus who came up on the streets at that moment at the prison in colorado. We're gonna find out where sedans hiding porter's beginning examination of eddie. Brock appeared to commit suicide by hanging himself in his cell. However when they try to make an incision symbiosis springs the light. Turning into that of rock begins killing. The coroner's lading that he had scipio sky was in a president parents. Hail you had the soviet the skies itself has in give the elucidating pepperell like man. He this little extra chunky ugh su although he regrets killing two men okay replaced bedrooms day with low hellfire although he regrets hilling the two men twisted by justifies it as a necessary sacrifice rid the world of spider man or morons swiping at. Id card a symbiotic on the form of quarters outfits that he himself out of the facility. Okay and i just remember public service announcement if you are lucky enough. Spend the night in full. Fire your expect crap in the morning. Get your stopping hit out and be thankful you got out with your wife breakfast or make by myself. Adult be strays yards egg f. Mcmuffin in the uber utah jazz. All right lavar ball and gives you wings prison your life out that evening in the bronx spiderman meets up with the punisher in his van gogh. We're the punisher tells wall. Did he have puppies in kenya king. Selfie you're mr. The punisher tells the wall crawler that they have tracked the drug shipment to a military installation. Upstate would spiderman the punisher not to use lethal force. This time around. Frank castle assures the wall crawler that will kill their soldiers as he was a soldier himself elsewhere. Mary jane and her co workers are on lunch. Break conversation is interrupted outerly woman who recognizes mary. Jane her character on secret. When mary jane burn fat is who she is. The woman calls her a tramp and slaps berry chain across the base. They had very james very jaded from all sides as the elderly woman walks away. Her co worker acid. She wants to call the police but mary jane health. It's okay that was a compliment to are at the ability at the old woman tried to cross the street at car speeds up rudd's hurt ow. witnesses on the scene leave. The driver intentionally ran the old woman over as you did that. Go check out. Thawra review of return the sinister six back in december. But how mark wait. This is a budget never mind. They're still the air ray much. Everybody saw yes. The era versus still on the corner. The i think every versus the cancelled except for superman. Lois also say that the show. They're watching so after the. You're not watching all their kids. I those guys are great. If you haven't checked out or crossover of moral team of four go check it out. School got for crossover. Meanwhile upstate spider man and the punisher arrive at the military facility where the drugs are apiece or. The wall crawler shocked that it is a military academy full of kids. That's not sugar on your zero kids. It's better than the radioactive oatmeal. I guess that was an actual the happen. Take over nuclear fallout any day. I had my choice with the punisher. Says it's smart. Who's gonna suspect that hits party drugs especially at a military silva episode shameless. Us version others eight after school. Special spiderman warns frank not the harm any of the children. this makes castle. Think about how his own children were cut down along with his wife and assures the wall crawler that he doesn't harm children. Letting hasn't healed drink future will i. I was gonna say they could drink the pair ceases facility and make their way to the Commandant's office suddenly slingers spider sense goes off. They're soon confronted by. What are the children on century. Duty spiderman web's the boy off in the pair smashes into the off a face as punishes. Like i can take him out. Like notre spider-man's i can think without hurting adams don softwares pick them up by as supposed to be charles bronson. I believe so good Do you have a death wish. Don't make a move that in the base. Yeah there. They confront the commodore rush. Maybe take larson. Maybe it's i don't know the answer. Somebody tweet somebody backed out. data manson demand to know where the drugs aren't having the blow in the entire facility in order to ensure that they don't end up on the street that's with which reveals that the drug trade has replaced old standard the american economy hence why the united states army's kneeling are caught as well. Yeah maybe florida. This revelation comes opium the bill for nothing. World is the poppy. It's set deeper than you think. i'll say. The for hollywood conspiracies paycheck. Don't worry about to trump so much. Cancel unless you're grading deserve x. Men who co host. All ten of you may great the loonies honore. This revelation comes as a shock. Hook vigilantes although they lacked the credibility to expose the conspiracy the parents cysts on destroying the supply of drugs the kademi i want to wrap this but i mean you want someone credibility blow in the west. So they're like. Oh you know what. The american people to see. Government is bad well. Times have changed the play the whistle captain. America you've got date. Neither one of those kids calls. Maybe maybe depending on the day of a writer maybe just refuses to divulge their location. The punisher threatens them with a knife. That's what a knife. Logan out five cents. He threatened with ignite his own. They are directed to the pavement where they find a massive shipment of drugs suddenly. They're ambushed by an army of mechanize program to protect the drug supply. Beck annoyed by third of the mike on from that position to get one in prison l. Pay walk with roy loop. Help are focused on one thing tonight. Recovered comic books football. Turn the sound down. Tolerable solemn said the pair destroy the majority of the robots with the numbers the now spiderman deals with the rest of the punisher plants bombs to blow the drugs on their way out spider man to fire alarm to ensure that everyone inside evacuates the building were bombs. Go this week selahattin. Not even a hurricane can only about one thing but the kiddy web is head up outside the academy children are ushered outside of slater the facility explodes ballet by that. He knows the senator. All's like your huge fancy man solid the couple of the military academy well. How been a lot of military academy especially if they feed into the studio of yucky do have to have a senators recommendation and things like that. So hello meanwhile back in manhattan lady of the night. Just pay a lot of leg mademoiselle skirt and no bra. It's not wet or cold though. So this yeah yeah definitely hurts is greeted by detective. How golden while he asked him how. I scott pedro start making. Headlines movement is coming toward mary. Jane johnson caesar's just been released from prison all his most recent parole hearing and again the climax of this whole this stuff yet anyway. The died the betty boop a colt by the way love. That little detail don't outlet there. But i'm here for it. I swear i don't know there's larsen or whoever the ad like some of these issues some a lot of times you see like betty felix. The cat or occurred at digging of new story. Okay oh that's right. 'cause it wasn't his first appearance. The murder of frank castle's family was first revealed in marvel super action number one action because he's the punisher. So what did you think of world I don't like about the family. The by it or he'll eat my dog. You know advise them. Your say that to me i by john we next to me. I'm wrong why don't you tell me you're gonna eat my ethnic calm resigned. I'll i'll take your bag and leave it in the house that i liked the art of the action. That is a lot more graphic than your typical spiderman book at the little war on drugs. I guess that was. I got a little funding quarry. Don't tell anybody. I guess usually usually did stuff like this reason. It wasn't just the writer wanted to do a story I was just curious looking at the value of marvel super action. Okay that's more like it. I dollars some places. Twenty seven bucks. But i know if you the What's your one in your vision style finance. Why number one night. we'll take you can get a very pine copy. Her e four ninety. And that's just the book it has been a. It has been created by comic shops experienced traders hypoc using that means in the fire. Competent way relate. You know he gave us the action. So i followed me minors. Ill deeply should marriage a fight like come on the mark oilers jello for my ladies wrestling off. Oh my god morrell. My wife played others. Wanted to talk about what the happy to talk about the other one. Not so much you can you guess. Which is i think so. But let's see if unpleasantly surprised at right on the money know what we talked about. I all right. We got the new costume in amazing spider man. Sixty one or quote unquote. I'll issue spider era. So basically we're like. Hey let's up with kindred let's forget about that bernardi that we spent like forever on it at the call a year weather. An eternity yes. We'll get drag stuff. Ou- salesmen are dropped off. People dropped out so they just by cleared the whole state. Hey let's shop in here knew everything. Rb kinda get out that megatrend trying to with his costume. It's very intimate. As i just wonder how long molasses they probably want to drive up sales because periods overdo our new costume industrial. I a cash strapped to me. But i do like the story but very business. Nothing personal. We're just is doing this to be doing because we're a business. It's exactly i mean. Yeah you caution provided by threats it. I just love. I do love that bill. Where he's like. I need rents how desperate where winters desperate desperate. They're building kingpin at least so. There's oh yeah. Minute sevilla Spiderman i think that what to do something with him in the movie only make sense they start revenue up right now. We finally get back. We haven't seen jonas crawley. comedic goals together goosing journal. Really much is probably twenty twenty issues. But what do you think about him. Being the guy in the chair you know. wanna give it a chance. I was gonna say well we might get some comedic wasserman. I'm tired of being the heat in the south. How 'bout he wants to go. I want him to do something with science. Something with kids. Just make a teacher. can we do that. Exact little bit fun you remember when he was right in a high school teacher signs. Hey can we get exactly. I mean again. I think they they're trying to help. Even slot has run. It's like oh look. We know all about sell fees and instagram. That burnside exactly did work. There were all and basketball original audience. I'm thanking them for. I know the crowd. You're trying to pander to that. Stuffing is the by fire over here and there is money exactly or do anything spider man. The plane kind of proven the on top of that so you better go panders to those old people over party. Judge got listen to me. I think disney maxi who at the end of the day. There's like focused on those bags. We have money. I totally agree with you. I think that all the time that yeah i mean. Make him a teacher again. Some you know something like that. Same superman with the wiping. His on t. Show people are really responding well to his head back. The marriage has like a couple like he's with passes super super adult situations. You know i know exactly. Give us the marriage back. I think you're doing it the quick dragging it out marriage back back. You single spider man. You have mouse braless then rallies back. He's out there. You can have the exact same guy. But he can be the single guy then riley or you're gonna see what a single swing spiderman but raleigh ben rally downtown moderate. Yeah only thing it is obligatory cash grab. Hey it sixty issues. A lot of people really fell out on the kindred art when an interest going with hit artists more book soldiers by having a new costume and also all marketers new jumping on point at that that that asks what it is what it is. And i'm okay with this story. I was even wondering if they're going to use that hinder thing will the tab the tablet of life whatever it is if kindreds That ring of celluloid heroes born after all canoes accident after all that. So is he faking the pumping alive during the brand new day stopford Ordered norman have included runs. Every has a call paying. Luke kuhn son. Don't think about it. it's either quality robot. So i don't know i didn't really a lot of people not liking amazing spiderman number sixty one so had positive reception although the costume has people assure that is the one sticking point. I feel like if you're very old. School might be breeze the lake hurricanes while lightning. I will give it a shot as long as middle drag it out like you did kindred out issues on Caution fifteen houses to read the same for me have also probably. Oh funke funkeiras figures. Yeah to get a little more than that. Unfortunately i'd be okay with three issues. See that might be session. No finest many different functions at various. Oh you'll you'll be collected. However i doubt into the whole collection buckle centerman high here. I got started with your on then. Unmasked home idaho. I need a regular spiderman scarlet spider area of the next issue. I found some really cool. All kind of But not vitamin march. I don't know how many people know the actual camera that supposed to be the original camera that he uses. But it is a yet the Electoral thirty very millimeter camera. I'm going to get one. It's kind of hard padded conditions. That's the only thing. But i'm getting one. I'm on the hunt for one. That'd be like cool merge about actually be like spider man merge god cameras but i you need some kind of instagram or something where you take pictures or like east e. Stop with spider-man's camera. It's beat me. I was going to say how they have. The pictures. come out dealt with thirty five years. That's right that film about no walmart still do. I don't know. I don't know i mean do be in business for yourself. I'm sure you have plenty of rooms in your house. I mean all these chemicals give up my office. Garages of cars. Twenty appear parker. Did he uses bathroom batter. That show. we'll see you live alone. Yeah bathrooms with arthur. The the chemicals for me. Our kind of sensitive goes over. Don't sign rhythms weirdos. Whole awards for that. That was pretty cool. That i like. I like i saw. But they weren't in good condition. All i guess i'll try to find something here condition so i'll keep you updated on that and date equal march. You can always ask me on. Twitter at cal fire on. Instagram has six. We have more issue to talk about my favorite thing of specimens. Come out in while widely after this thing's been this last year nonstop spiderman number one. I don't change anything. But i don't like the name. Yeah i don't like the name first of all drake feeling about this book that good total edge work this is not for my demographic listen by total edge lord china trying to be cool. This is the whole puzzle us that with this. I guess It's just like a kid drugs like Say what white guys. Trying to be hip here. Joe kelley all joe cal they. They've cut joe kelly. I mean who came up with the name launch stops spiderman. I don't think they're just trying to live up to that title though it's like oh we gotta stop stop. We really want a spider bill. Have we ever wanted that despite a hard fall in coral spiderman nc stooges. We've actually bag makamba sense. How vitamin vitamins always in predicament. So like like my patrolling the nineties. Back where we get like some supporting story noreen supporting cast. What that z. Joe novak amazing top of like kinda like smart you are cast reply to wanna be internet culture at a little do angular. Yeah yeah the arts. I mean grey shading is great like the angles like the art. But i don't know if i would take this artist for called nonstop spiderman. Facet is there like a net energetic all the panels you can into each. I mean i mean you're not gonna take you're not gonna get him for a second there. Why don't the secondary spider man with someone like mark. Bagley somebody who i remember. He's like that. Bala to keep her out i'll i don't know i just don't think this art style conveys type of movements to angular. Yeah you need something more. Laurie insert again. I like it i like. I like the spine. I like the work of it. But it's just like not for this olga. Wrote what the writing. So this is big like limited or it's like every month every month we're going to just go go. Go go a nonstop spiderman. It's like every month you're going to have you know we're stop those at download again valid. Clearly obviously that written press is you. I mean anthea merely will. I'm sure they're desperate but it's like what is this like hander. The once proud enter the other crowd. How about you try to rate something that panders everybody or hand. There's just speaks anymore. Sandow specifically so very divided that. I don't think there's anything that's broad enough. That could bring everybody together anymore. Unfortunate that old salga in all right now. I mean you could dress up like you know her popular things do it clearly because they have people that our own rightness Benthic is the problem. They go on go on twitter. They go on and try to see what the kids are saying. Then try assimilated. Never come out right. You can always we we enough of those that you know. I mean you wanna do this you get yourself a will help fire come on now no even to all take the edge alpha cancer scary. I'm on a want nothing to do with the you know your biological yard man but the you scare me get off my lawn data. My yard yada yada own jackie on how many variants they have a. There's a there's a again. Yeah i think yeah i mean. There was various for amazing sixty wanted. I think even sixty two also could cause new costume you ask but yeah so yeah. This was the week perspective in theory covers. Glad i don't fall into that trap anymore. I did. The building is kind of interesting and nonstop bell so they can actually at the villain every every issue or i don't know now willing to give it a shot and then yeah the backup story of course because we have a series coming out soon appeared zemo. Oh did you. i mean. I like this. See i think the artists who did this should the the main story. Mommy gone crazy. I totally yeah. I don't know why they delegated this one to the backup. Yeah no this person doing their main soaring out by the cult smooth and very clean by like jump off the page touching clean. I like it. It's crispy costo the art solo. The won't it looks good in the picture. Sima conversation on his old scopus. Yeah which is like a shocker. See what to like. It's closer to what he's been wearing a winter soldier. That's why they did it now. I wouldn't wanna see this look on. Tv let your bottom of not tv matamoros. Then i'll maybe they're doing that. People who are emma stone would did she herself up anyway. I'm not gonna pick up this book again. Just know out. Give it to other issue too. So y'all let you know the improves at all again. I think there's like spider bugs address. The yo catch the beginning he ain't got out is now. Oh yeah the letter page for amazing insanely gonna punch at one. Shot coming up the next couple months hash its own. I think i mentioned this awhile ago but yeah there's the ad in the back purse spider man spider shadow which i mean. We're going weekly or books. What he's everyone weekly with spiderman agean Probably jump i mean during the kindred stuff we're all this nikolay to they have like amazing every two weeks and then if we get non stop and those trust probably to be close the weekly you know coming up here but just even twenty twenty one. You can get superhero team very easily. Be careful marble but no that's spiderman spider's shadow. It's what if spider man became future. Parker became a willing to give it a better way. I will give it a shot. This chips as isa is gonna be just going to be that movie with tom. Hardy say what we're comedy pressure. Say what is going to be number. Four logger stretched out. Because you know hashtag. Modern comics award in to eliminate twelve asian masses covers. Galore definitely eh. Comic scott to be longer on the of holing horn care. Wait they're really starting. Those jobs from green lantern had a find that. I think we need a live read last night. So line opponent line settled rabies. Listen to this is when he changes profile pic like the first sallow. They hate it all have anything. Thank changes range really package because on lilith lock long bad no on that hallway. They hit the lines. Get something talk about wipes the sweat off her forehead. let's dipping hater rating rayton rating. Thank so we are all right. Like i said next week scarlet pimps our backs ray ray hit him an mccone. Yes next week. We're back for the trial of peter parker from other spiderman. 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Fear the Shy Trump Voter?

Slate's The Gist

34:51 min | 6 months ago

Fear the Shy Trump Voter?

"The support comes from. Msnbc the election of our lifetime is here with americans on engine the nation and the balance. Will there be a blue wave. Will donald trump defy polling tomorrow join. Msnbc is rachel maddow. Nicole wallets joy. Reid brian williams in their team of experts analyze it. All from every angle. Steve kornacki will be the big board breaking down. The data state by state county by county coverage begins tomorrow at six. pm eastern stay with msnbc. Alaska ody's counted. The following program may contain explicit language. It's monday november. Second twenty twenty from slate. It's the gist. i might pasqua the bouterse for trump. Were so powerful. As trump said himself very strongly that there needed to be a less watery version like a boat but with rolly rolly. Things were the ors. Go this rise to automobile. Caravans for trump. Thousands of people responded on facebook that they were coming to. This carpool parade. Today and drivers told me. They hope this shows other drivers on the road. Just how much support there is for president. donald trump. Just exciting to to do this and to think that we're we're doing something positive where to have a good time and we're to keep things peaceful and Keep things hit some class. That was from an ohio. Trump caravan where there were no allegations of classlessness but in new york the caravanners weren't entirely peaceable. Large caravan weaved its way through west chester county at one point stopping traffic. On the mario cuomo bridge which makes sense. Nothing gets on the good side of an undecided voter in an wilmington blue state than creating a traffic snarl also since of the top four antagonists of donald trump. Which are china. Chris the sixteen nineteen project and new york governor andrew. Cuomo two out of four of them. Were the sons of mario cuomo. So why not stick it to a bridge named after that guy in texas things got a little rougher with the caravan as a biden harris campaign bus though without biden or harris on it was surrounded. The fbi said sunday they're investigating a standoff between a trump caravan and biden campaign bus last week. The bus was travelling between san antonio and austin texas on friday when suv's and pickup trucks flying trump twenty twenty flags drove near and around. It reportedly a democratic campaign. Staffers car was sideswiped. Thankfully our president mindful that the situation should not escalate criticize the caravan. They send buses they sent trucks. They set up. These caravans massive caravans in many cases. They put their worst people in the caravan not going to put their best in so long. Very dangerous journey. They can stop them but they chose not to. Now i'm just kidding. You didn't say that. We put together when the caravan was a bunch of central. Americans trump applauded his supporters. And he did not urge caution. This is of a piece with an overall theme of his campaign presidency in life. That trump promises to serve those who support him biden on the other hand is promising through narration. Provided by brad pitt this to work just as hard for the people who voted for him as those who didn't to be president for all americans. I'm joe biden. And i approve this mess. That's a nice normal message. That shouldn't in a normal election work because normally the other guy would say no. I'm for all americans. The argument over. Who's for all. Americans becomes just a less precise proxy of the race itself but in this election. Trump doesn't even give lip service to being for all americans because lip service is his greatest currency and to do so would undermine the message he wants to give that it's an us versus them contest in a contest of i'm for all of us versus us versus them. You can see why all of us cast a wider net. It's a basic basic message. And i'm for all of you almost never works because it's so easily countered but trump will not and cannot counter it therefore this election becomes the choice between a man who never has been more popular then. He's been unpopular who didn't win the approval of most people and didn't govern with the interests of most people in mind. He's actually seating most people to the other guy. He's being quite aggressive about it. He takes great pleasure in telling us how he's not for all of us beyond the horrible news of the sentiment bazaar tactic i'm just not seeing. How almost all americans don't choose. The candidate of all americans over the candidate of some americans come election day. I guess the trump campaign figures. They'll just have to block that bridge when they come to it on the show today. We explore the popular notion of the shy trump voters. The supposed hit enforce that will show themselves become an shy in twenty four hours time but i. Donald trump is campaigning lightly on the economy and his stewardship of the corona crisis largely on revelations about his opponent son. Those allegations are that a business associate. Says he saw a reference to a deal that was never consummated from which joe biden may have benefited if the deal had gone through and if the infringer the business associate is correct. That associate is tony. Bob alinsky his allegations. Hold much water or any water at all but i know that and came to that conclusion because i read reporting on bob alinsky in the story in the genesis of the story in the flaws of the story. I think it's an interesting story. May probably just add just a story and it's also interesting in that it has been quashed by media gatekeepers both editorial technological twitter originally ban the story then backtracked a little bit on what the justification of their band was newsrooms also passed on the story in a way. I've never seen them pass on an election allegation. Before by what. Bob alinsky is paddling or giuliani or the new york post but as a principal. I don't think it's so easy a call as it's been portrayed somewhat shocked that the average person will go into voting not even knowing what the word bob alinsky means. It's fine by me it aligns with my preference in the election my strong preference but it's not a principle is it So to talk for all manner of bob. Alinsky conundrum with me david folkenflik. Npr's media reporter my console. Jerry these matters. I love watching tv man. Two cable bills. I'm going to say it. Stink stink to high heaven. Sorry for work in a little blue there. But i've come to really resent the unbelievably excessive cost of cable. And you know we're really only talking about a channel that you're looking at we'll sling. Tv has those channels the same top cable channels for really half the price. Save hundreds of dollars cable. Tv is a major expense. And you could watch news reality tv and sports and ever you john demand library with thousands of shows and movies so when it comes to live tv i'll i'll listen cable channels. Tell me if you like. A spn cnn msnbc fox news for monitoring purposes all available on sling tv. The service starts at thirty dollars a month for thirty top channels and has force you to buy a whole bunch of channels that you don't want a cable company thing sign up in five minutes and start watching right away on your streaming devices including your on. Tv phone tablet more. Make smart choice and switch to sling tv. Get the best of cable tv. The best price. It's easy to switch and save learn more at sling dot com slash podcast that sling dot com slash podcast. Donald trump has called it the biggest and then he corrects himself. Okay the second biggest political scandal in history. The xyz fair teapot dome. No actually not he. Speaking about some guy named tony. Tony bobby linski. Who is in business with hunter biden and if everything that he says can be believed. Maybe hunter biden's father knew about a business deal. That might have him money but actually never did yes. Yes quite a scandal. The question is or might not seem after my run up to it but the question is why isn't much of the media making a huge deal granted because it's not that solid story and even if true we don't know exactly what it would mean in terms of hunters relationship to joe biden that said media usually does quite a bit of digging into political scandals and even when there's not much there there's the kind of story that can be done basically. Why is the right wing going nuts with this story. I have noticed. And i think this is a very tough one. I have noticed a dearth of coverage compared to the usual amount of coverage that we'd normally see even for a story this poorly sourced. And i have to think that this is because we're right up against an election. I wonder if this is a good thing a bad thing or just what exactly. The nuances of these decisions are the best person i could think to talk this out with my friend. David folkenflik who covers media for npr. David hello and a bob alinsky to you above linski you bob. Alinsky so npr. I guess it's in the middle of the the criticism of because the i'm buds midden for npr. Who has nothing to do with your job. She's a quasi outside person who just weighs in on. Npr's editorial choices she essentially said the reason you're not hearing much if anything about this on npr is that it's just not a story fair enough but you know you sometimes cover stories. That are in stories and your story is why. This is an historian. Why other people think this is a story. Do you think the bob alinsky story per se is any different from that. Well i want to parse out as best. I understand what was said and what wasn't said by whom and win. In this case. There was a statement by one of our most senior news. Editors terry samuel who's a managing editor a political journalist and journalist of of of many decades Distinction who said essentially. We're not going to waste our listeners. Time on stories. That aren't really news. That a quote that was then tweeted out by the office of the public editor. Which is what. We call the ombudsman. These days which is sort of a paid external critic of the of the organization and she was trying to review and understand our handling of the story. Now we did address. This story My my colleagues on the digital side shannon bond address the question of social media platforms essentially a dampening down in constricting circulation of the original story in the new york. Post a making claims very hard to evaluate an and hard to verify claims. I might add about whether hundred biden was trading on his family name and dragnet father into some corrupt scheme and samuel said. Look this is essentially not Verified material. We want to be careful in how we handle that. We're not simply going to chase ghosts. So that's not the way he put it. I wrote a similar story trying to break down. Why the media why. Npr but really why the media didn't go whole hog on this and i. I think that you had material being circulated by the president's associates and friends including his lawyer rudy giuliani. Some of especially giuliani have proven not to be credible sources of information giving out material that was not Verified from sources that are not themselves authenticated. And when you take that all in combination it meant that you tried very rarely. The new york post is not the kind of publication that has a long track record of great investigative journalism that holds up to scrutiny. You know nothing about this story said you know. Even though we can't authenticate it on its own it stands on its own two feet proudly now tony bump linski comes forward and says i can verify some of this. I have my own material. And then you're you're waiting into slightly different waters but the idea that npr wasn't doing any reporting on this. I did a story on the merits of the story itself which is very hard to evaluate bond The digital destined stories about the question of was it appropriate four major social media platforms Such as facebook and twitter to try to constrict how much circulation the story got so it wasn't as though we spent no time on it. It's just that they're only so much So many stories. You can do elite with this thought on this particular issue. You know up And i apologize for mispronouncing her name but she Is the scholar unc. She's written for the new york times and other places and she says you know this is less about censorship and more about the fight for attention and it's not that they're these wars over free speech. It's really a question of what stories. What questions what scandals are you going to give priority to. And that's a question of how where we give it priority for our listeners and readers when it comes to npr but also the question of where you're going to put your your energies particularly this close to an election. It seems that there are similar stories like fast in the furious that that gun running story like not the very facts of benghazi but what conservative turned benghazi into that. Become you know. Start start spreading like wildfire in certain segment of the media which is right wing media. And then i as the discerning consumer do appreciate when the rest of the media ways in knocks down part of it acknowledges part of it because i do find relatives. What about this bob alinsky and when you can meet them a third of the way and say well. It is true that he did run a company with hunter biden. And they will say okay. You're not just dismissing it. As russian information. So what i'm saying. Is that ideally as news consumer or to expand it out as citizens. I i think that perhaps being very cautious and remembering the lesson of komi is understandable. And yet i don't i do wonder if the ideal isn't to put out the best accurate information in the timeliest manner and trust that news consumers are and voters and citizens are up to the challenge of understanding what that information is and it seems to me that at least in this case the new york times washington post. Npr other great news sources have definitely said we will. We are going to in in temporal mode. We're going to hold back much more than we're going to try to rushing version of the story out there. It does seem they are very much looking at the election and learning the lesson of komi. Well i don't think they're doing it as partisans. I mean look if you think about what you just described as a as a journalistic ideal of saying well. This is out there. this is important. It's been publicly a tested that this is An allegation somebody authoritative should come forward and make the best available version of facts Understandable and presented the public right. Yeah and and trumped. If only if only to take the mainstream media which i think usually does a great job off the hook for that criticism of you ignored this story. Sure so i mean. That's what vox meet a meal of rate they'd say what is the truth about death panels or what's the right like that's all useful stuff. I guess that might have been provocative as reclined. But you understand what. I'm saying You know if you look at what even my editor not my director but npr's managing editor. Terry samuel said he was saying it about a specific story specific line. He wasn't saying one. Hundred biden isn't worthy of scrutiny. That the question of whether or not the biden's traded on the family name. The question of whether joe biden was compromised so far you know even the republican senate investigation run by wisconsin. Senator ron johnson. Desperate to find something on the biden. Didn't find something on joe biden but none the less. I think it's worth scrutinizing. Of course i think family links and ties in businesses are worth scrutinizing when it comes to high government officials. That's what's made life so exhausting under this administration right. But i think it's absolutely fair game And i think some of the questions that bob alinsky raises should be posted addressed. the problem. is that know there's also something of a What shall we say a scandal. Minting factory a scandal industrial complex. That you know seems in search of scandals to to tie up the public discourse in the media in and so you can decide if as i think is legitimate like let's look and see what's there is celinda handle. Well it turned out. That company didn't make back money on that investment. But if you look at it from a bigger picture. And yes one of the p. x. leading executives possibly as ceo had given money you'll biden obama but given that his question of alternative fuels. Maybe that wasn't surprising. Given what obama and biden we're supporting and as part of a larger portfolio. Some of the investments worked in some of them didn't ultimately. It didn't go that far but it was a calling card for years in the question was did a new york times. Did the wall street journal did. Npr ignore it now. they didn't ignore it. They looked at it but they didn't really ignore it. You know so. The question is it sufficient. Should we be devoting time for it. You know fox news. Reporters found that a lot of the initial claims. That were circulated by the new york. Post a hundred biden and his dad couldn't be verified. It wasn't good enough for them to report. But it was good enough for them to spend some dozens of hours talking about to the exclusion of the pandemic not the total exclusion but dwarfing coverage of the pandemic and other political issues. You know it was kept alive as part of the discourse now. Npr in the new york times. Don't have to decide to do something or not do something because fox what fox news does but the questions are you substituting decision making processes of others for your own. I think that more than ever particularly with social media the win which were connected way in which we're all part of a larger conversation even in a time polarization that we have to take those things into account more than we used to. But i don't think that they necessarily have to dictate choices. Because otherwise you're essentially surrendering real estate. Even if you're debunking at times you're surrendering real estate time and time and time again. I think you have to pick and choose your shots. Some of them. Are you go all in some of them. You go maybe waist deep and some of them you say we've looked at it and you know it's not really worth our reporting. Those are decisions that our judgment. These are not scientific. Calibrations if portions large portions medium portions of this story prove out will the media have some split into do or is it enough to say when we did our dive into it. We couldn't ascertain the the veracity of central claims. I mean that the difficult truth of journalism is there stuff that we believe could be true that we don't put in printer on the air all the time you know. You're doing your best to vet information. Before you put it out there leslie. Stahl was talking to trump at one point and During her sixty minutes interview the version. Of which i was able you know many of us were able to watch thanks to the president posting it on facebook and at one point she says well you know. I can't have you do that. I i to present information. That's verified to our audiences. That is what you try to do. When you're not simply allowing people to talk extemporaneously live. You are trying to ensure that they're putting their opinions are presented. Their their understanding is the world are are reflected fairly but also that the facts that you're presenting the world are at least verified particularly for you know when you're not doing interviews. You're doing straight ahead reporting. I think it's hard to determine the truth of things that happen. You know one two three four five years ago in the absence of taking some time and doing some real reporting so the idea that you can just hurry up and make it so or that. There's there's a truth bank in a closet in the back cupboard of the second floor of the new york times building the wall street journal's offices where they can just go and pull it out and slap it in the paper. Thank god somebody finally asked. We've had this here all along. That's not the way it works. No i mean. I know that i also know that if well. It's very complicated. If portions of this really do proved to be true. It's going to be the bloody shirt that conservatives wave for years to come and it will certainly seem to have a point. One argument against that is yes but just because something turned out to be true. Doesn't mean that we didn't do all our due diligence and we couldn't ascertain that it was true before the election. There's another even more complicated part of that. Which is that a tactic and david french writes about this really well and the dispatch. A tactic of disinformation is something called. Salting where you put some elements of truth but also some elements of the lie. You want to propagate right next to each other so it could very well prove or turn out that there were elements of this that were true and weren't reported on but it was the big elements and the big charges that can never turn out to be proven because they weren't ever true. Yeah i think that's right. I mean Biden's been asked repeatedly authenticate. The veracity of certain emails is actually having been sent by a text sent him or an email sent by his son or whatever and my sense is the campaigns holding back because a lot of it they don't know everything on and a lot of it. You know it might be a single thing as true. But that saying yes that's true will be used with the other stuff that they believe not to be true so or not to be real. And so that's complicated as well in terms of the bloody shirt you know if biden were to come to office or even biden were to lose but that large amounts of this would be true. I'm sure conservatives Could point to that and say look at this failing by the press. I'm not certain that the feeling of the press in that case however will be about whether this particular narrow story is true but more broadly the press has been looking at the question. I mean my god impeachment. What did that involved involved questions about pressures being brought to bear to try to publicize allegations against joe biden. The the notion that joe biden. It acted corruptly in ukraine. While in office right you know if the press has failed over the past two years to think about joe biden his international involvements of himself and his son in different ways and that there was corruption there that we didn't turn up as the press. Then that will be failing but that's going to be more than a feeling of the last eleven days of the election. The idea that suddenly you have to turn in the homework assignment. That's a huge Term paper And that you failed in the last fifteen minutes of the term paper. That's not the way that works. That will have been a greater failure to do. Veteran report on joe biden. It may be their stuff out there on him and again it may be some or all of this is true. It may be is not great building blocks for good journalism. I appreciated the wall street journal reporting what they could and being transparent about what they could show and not show and the post kind of did that but then assumed it was all true. Anyway i wanna thank you. David folkenflik and i also want to point out to the listeners. That in this interview. I played the role of me and my opinions. And just my niggling doubts and david was asked to speak. For essentially the media the mass media the mainstream media and not always Positions that he has but he articulated them. Well it was. Kind of unfair is what i'm saying and you're quitted yourself nicely sir well you know if the glove fits you must acquit. That's right different folkenflik. A covers the media as a correspondent for national public radio. Thank you you bet. Mikey support for these. Podcasts comes from dropbox business. Teamwork your way. I was struggling to balance my professional life and making my son something healthy in my personal life and then i realized my team and i can fix this sure. We're all pretty different with different working styles but that only makes us more productive. I work early in slides while biz dev assigns tasks and legal works late in. Hello sign all from one shared. Dropbox workspace try dropbox your team at dropbox dot com slash teams at work and now the spiel for donald trump to be reelected president. Something has to be off. I mean besides our national priorities morality. I mean the polls the fairly scientific. I mean pretty close to accurate numbers that tell us what our fellow citizens are thinking. There is a notion. It's kind of a folk wisdom that last time the polls were off because the polls told us hillary would win and she didn't win right. You knew that part. I don't have to tell you discerning listeners. That hillary clinton did not win but she did win the popular vote the polls were off. By one percent of the popular vote nationally. There were some state polls that were off in fact the polls that rof the most predicted donald trump win. In fact he won. Huge states like west virginia tennessee and kentucky but there were a lot of polls in the upper midwest that said hillary clinton was going to win and she failed to win though narrow defeats in wisconsin pennsylvania michigan. Why i'll tell you why under sampling of non college educated white voters but you know the phrase under sampling normal college educated way. Doesn't it sounds so boring. we need a splash. Here phrase easier to grasp a concept that not only explains last time but has some utility and its application to this time around shy trump voters. These shy trump vote theory. Is that all these polls are wrong. Because voters trump voters never bite. Voters are too shy to say. I support trump and just like it was true last time. Editor's note it really wasn't but just like it was true last time a very well may explain this time why the polls are wrong is nor o'donnell yesterday credited shy trump voters for turning around the polls in iowa which had been trending toward biden and democratic senate candidate theresa greenfield but now favorite trump and republican incumbent joni ernst and our poll suggests in fact that the shy trump voter is emerging right at independence are going towards donald trump. That actually some women are returning to the republican fold. Who were there in. Two thousand sixteen in may have not been able to say it publicly in a poll or to their friends that that has come back now. Look joe biden can win without iowa. There's no doubt about that but it's a question about sending a message though right about maybe about and other places and that's why sort of that's this. Is that a canary in a coal mine. Or is it an outlier. Show trump voters only. It makes no sense because the theory of trump voters is that they're not just trump voters. But you could fill in the blank. But they're also shy but if a voter tells upholster that she supports trump. she's not being shy. she's being unch shy. What we have is an actual trend. Which is that. Pollsters have found a movement in sentiment in iowa plus a folk explanation shy trump voters. But when you think about it. Shy trump voters seems to graft onto the movement of the trend but it actually contradicts it. If they were shy they wouldn't be telling the pollsters but you know what someone else call bullshit on the concept of the shy trump voter and he is a world renowned expert on bullshit. We have a lot of people that say. We don't want to talk to you. And then they go vote for trump right the hidden voter or whatever they call somebody said the voters are not shy trump speaking in fayetteville north carolina. Today the shy trump voter idea is being perpetuated by pollsters like haley of the trafalgar group who was on our show. He was one of the few pollsters to correctly. Predict trump would win michigan and pennsylvania and he got the overall electoral college count right in two thousand sixteen on that basis. I had him on. We talked about his methods. A heard that interview. You heard my skepticism. He calls shy. Trump voters the social desirability effect. And he says that he is upholster is able to discern divine. What the shy trump voter or the person engaging in social desirability really wants to say also kayla doesn't release much data about how he gets to his figures so last week when he released some data of how he pulled in michigan it caused. Well i'm going to say a little bit of shock. Because haley said biden was losing michigan but the reason was that he had almost thirty percent of the black vote and over half the hispanic vote backing trump. he even trump winning thirty percent of democrats. That seems and seemed to the experts. Really really weird. In fact a lot of haley's analysis can be called technical term wrong. Yeah he got some elections right. Two thousand sixteen was big one. He got a lot wrong to twenty eighteen in arizona. Said mc. Sally would beat cinema cinema one in florida. He had nelson up by two in his last poll to rick. Scott rick scott won the year before he doug jones would lose to roy moore in alabama in the called it right column. Kaley would probably include as call of ted cruz and brian. Kemp of georgia. Because he said each would win and they did only as last poll had crews beating over by nine. He won by two and a half and had camp beating stacey. Abrams by twelve for governor of georgia. Twelve one by one point four percent bear with me a read. The last ten polls in that race by such pollsters is emmerson and fox and nbc and the atlanta journal constitution. Here tie kemp up to camp up to camp up to camp up to tie tie abrahams up one camp up to and then the very last poll the trafalgar poll camp up twelve. Like i say one by one point four is not getting it right because he was on the right side of which candidate won or was he enormously off probably due to his highly unorthodox methods. So i still think area my interview with kayleigh which came under some criticism. I think a service. Because we're hearing from the largest loudest outlier got to understand some of his methods and i made him contend with some pushback on things like the bradley effect seeming to have to be discredited and why he predicted pennsylvania would be stolen. Let me play some of the original interview. I did with him on that issue. I think pennsylvania's very interesting case is the state. Trump is most likely to be win when his most likely to be a victim of raw. Pennsylvania has a long history of philadelphia voter fraud. And i. i believe that We it will be significant in pennsylvania. So that's another state. I think you're he could win and lose but right. Now you're biding up by two point. Four percent pennsylvania avenue. But i told you i if this is your still saying it'll be because of voter fraud but i don't think it would matter because i think that one's got probably gonna be taken from me so we went back and forth a little on why hailey was citing voter. Fraud is the reason that trump would lose when his very polls designed to on earth shy trump voters indicated at the time he talked to me that trump was actually trailing so finally i put the question of the taste of the pudding right to them if biden wins. What's the excuse gonna be. it's gonna be voter. Fraud is going to the fact that charles barkley participated in the alabama senate election so on election day or election. Week the tide goes out and we see who's swimming naked and who swimming with trunks. Look the numbers are the numbers in two thousand sixteen. You got the numbers right if it turns out in twenty twenty. Your numbers are wrong. Are you going to say my numbers are wrong or are going to say. Maybe it's voter fraud. Maybe it's charles barkley. Well first of all. I was giving a common charles barkley and my numbers were wrong. Because child Did a great job what that wasn't excuse. I did not anticipate how effective he would be as far as voter fraud. He told me he does believe biden win. Only because of voter fraud as much as that didn't make sense because at the time he showed biden was leading it's logically inconsistent conveniently for haley since we spoke the next poll of pennsylvania showed the race to tie and the latest trafalgar poll released within the last twenty four hours of pennsylvania. Now has trump ahead by two So there now is no logical divide between his claiming biden has more support and also claiming trump will have the election stolen from him. No evidence of that by the way. It indicates haley. Like trump is setting himself up as advancing an unfalsifiable argument. That will mean he wasn't wrong or trump's case didn't lose but that horribly unfair forces were aligned against him or i guess haley could be right. It could happen. I really don't think it will could write most likely it. Won't i see no evidence that his message correct that his polls are accurate. I see no numbers. I see no data supporting that. I see mostly a story that the media is wrong. I see a conceit that being the shy trump voter and i see a vested interest in staking out claim untethered to empiricism but very useful if the longshot comes in and that's it for today show. Daniel schrader produces the gist. He'll be playing with the rebozo trio at the garden. State art center margaret kelly just producer row participating in duck boats for trump. There is a parade and somehow the boats start launching themselves into the air. Like james bond move duck boats for trump eliecer montgomery is the executive producer of sleep podcast. She's worried that a caravan for trump will cause backups. From the dan ryan to jane. Burn interchange all the way to the raritan toll plaza by spaghetti junction and causing a sigler in hacienda heights. 'cause that would be a national movement. The gist folkenflik. On bob alinsky. It's as good as guy. Ross on khalid al fawwaz but it doesn't touch petroleum berlusconi depardieu peru and. 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Super Tuesday Recap: And Then There Were Two

Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy

52:05 min | 1 year ago

Super Tuesday Recap: And Then There Were Two

"A chair tax on tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy. Hey Acts Murphy here so excited we can talk all about the new resolves. We were going through here two days ago on very super Tuesday but I thought we could make a little news because I think I have found the macguffin. I think I've found the secret reason that Joe Biden came back from the dead and one we. We got a team of mathematicians at the University of Southern California. We pulled them out of the rocket lab and we got the Cray supercomputer fired up when we look at every single veritable of every single candidate. Yes their performance and guess what we found out? We found the determining factor. If you don't do the X. Files you literally combatants dead in surge out of nowhere who become runner the Democratic nomination. So it's the curse of death my friend if that must be thank you. I appreciate landscapes back to send them back to the rocket lounge way so I apologize to our listeners. We would have been on yesterday the day after Super Tuesday but we were busy burning all the old recordings of Downplaying Joe Biden's chances over what? What was that man? Have you ever seen your you know? We're a bunch of old codger. I've never ever seen anything like well. My soul on Tuesday I would say with. Of course the benefit of an eraser machine and Hindsight but seriously you know we both been at this. A while and there has been a pattern in the past and the old pattern. Was You breakthrough early? You ride a media wave if you can operate calls her and you sir forward less on advertising and money but more on success in the early states which is why people spend so much time and money in the early state so you know the guy who did. The most of that was mayor. Pete who came out of nowhere to win Iowa but he had that lightning bolt reading any credit or press attention for them. And then amy usurped. What looked like a big impressive media? Wave coming win in New Hampshire and then the media got a little bit hustled by Bloomberg. Who was a hypothetical candidacy? There was no voting involved but they saw the money and he got a lot of that media. Let's just the media. I mean it was polls as it was polling is well the media gotTa Hustle by polls. Yeah Yeah but the media's as we both know always more interested in polling numbers than anything else is kind of a weakness of the system. I used to joke around allowed. Fire ahead a red Chinese intelligence. I spent all my time. Bribing media pollsters. Because you totally can jerk Washington opinion around every every single day but anyway to get to my point then Joe who had a base his relationship for which I think he owes some thanks to President Obama and some tremendous thanks. Jim Clyburn with the African American Voting Block in South Carolina which showed up by the time the others had kind of been strangled out of money and Joe. Who was dead. Got That fifty thousand volt shock so this was just different than the past. Although you can't draw parallels is you know better than anybody. The two thousand eight You know another race where if you can split white voters and have strong strong African American support you do tend to do well in the Democratic nomination process so I think there's a new map going forward. That will be less about Iowa and New Hampshire more about a nationalized vote and blocks particularly African Americans. And maybe the Latino vote will become that you know homogeneous eventually The give the nomination. Okay everybody. That's it good night. Thanks for tuning. Sorry that was a little long no I I. I agree with With what you're saying. Let's let's let's take apart so let's do a little autopsy on how this all happened and then let's talk about What it means first of all. If you could trace a set of events the overarching thing I think is a really really do want to beat Donald Trump. I think Democrats are very focused on that Biden. Was The guy who they thought early could do that. He had a huge advantage. In that regard he started looking not very formidable and and and he was sinking After his After his Poor showings in in Iowa. New Hampshire then came the data And Nevada made a huge difference in two ways one is Bloomberg had to step out from behind the commercials at that debate Elizabeth. Warren eviscerated him He the the air went out of his very very expensive balloon. and then Bernie Sanders ran away with Nevada. And you'd think well that should have been a key success. No what it did was completely Hannah. Scary completely panic. Democrats who feared Bernie Sanders didn't support. Bernie Sanders worried about Bernie Sanders ability to win and they looked around and all of a sudden Joe Biden started looking better and they just needed some sign that he could do this. then come. South Carolina Biden had a decent debate in South Carolina. But also he got the endorsement of Congressman Jim Clyburn which turns out to be one of the few endorsements that one can confer or the few people can confirm endorsement in this country and actually command a measurable effect. I think he probably doubled. Biden's a lead in South Carolina also had this extraordinary moment in South Carolina when a man talked about his wife who had been killed in the mother Emmanuel Shooting in his empathy Was in full display. It was Biden at his best. We've talked about that last week. And and then all this wave of people dropping out in his favor. You know one thing as you'll remember with a great deal of anguish back to two thousand and Sixteen. Republicans didn't do was consolidate around a candidate and to take down. Trump cancelled. Trump ends up winning the nomination with less than the majority of Republican voters behind him. Democrats did unify a mayor Pete Star at the mayor. Pete dropped out door. I by AMY closure dropped out endorsed Biden Beto O'Rourke showed up on the stage in Texas and endorsed Biden. All of a sudden Biden looked like a safe harbor So in addition to everything that you said which is the he did do well with with Waitz one whites everywhere but Vermont in the aggregate. He did do well with rural conservative. Whites were Bernie had been strong for years ago. He dominated fifty six to seventeen among African Americans. And He. He did well. Enough among Hispanics in the states where that mattered. So now it's a whole different deal man. Yes yeah and I look I. I agree with your run through. I just add one more thing which is Biden deserves credit for his resilience and for a few of those moments of South Carolina and for cultivating that long trusted relationship with Jim. Clyburn is the new Mayor Daley but on election night I think he forgot to think. The HUGE TITANIC FORCE AND. I I just say this tongue in cheek of not burn no absolutely because a lot of organizing force of the wind. Kurds was not burn. He between that South Carolina African American voting block and just hanging in there even when there was barely Paul's became that guy as you said the others consolidated quickly. And so you know we found that something we have also said here. That Bernie has a bit of a ceiling was true. And so now you know as the guy especially a. Bloomberg getting out. He's a pretty strong position. Although I'll keep saying there was a reason. Joe Lost some of those early primaries. It didn't have African American voters in them to other white candidate so now operation by two point Oh has to continue in full swing kind of speed. Their operation up to the opportunity that they they clearly have. There are a lot of reasons to believe that he's on a good path. Now and Bernie Sanders. People are not going to be happy when they hear me. Say the next thing but they should remember that I was saying I was named saying Joe Biden and he took off like a rocket. So this harbinger that get in on that. I predicted Bernie can never win Bernie's collapsing. So I'll talk like there. But there are so many signs that should be worrisome to Bernie Sanders and the biggest one is how much he's underperforming where he wasn't two thousand sixteen even in Vermont. What he was in the in the fifties in terms of vote he got eighty six percent in two thousand and sixteen in his home state. And a lot of this I think is a measurement of how much flow to him as a result of antipathy to Hillary Clinton. And you know. They're going to try and replicate that now intern. Biden into an exemplar of a failed establishment. Status Quo Bernie signal very strongly that he's going to go a on the offense there. What's different this time as you have the specter of Donald trump hanging over this whole absolutely absolutely and buy it? Looks like a winner again which that empathy is finally found is who he is and he's got his process message against you know I'm now the winner against trump. It's a strong a bunch of cards to halt Leno. Want to go through a few states here because I think there are a couple of things we can point out. Let's do the right Massachusetts. Can You believe at one Elizabeth Warren Third Place under all the rules of this that we grew up under it is time Elizabeth? It's time to get out. There's no candidacy there. She's going to get herself a primary for Senate. Well I think you know we. We may know by the end. We may know by the end of today. Yeah man by winning. I mean you know go Joko and of course Minnesota where I think amy help but I also think again not not Bernie help to laugh at. That was a win. You know people say well. What did the Buddha judge and closure exits mean if you look at polling in those two states before before those guys got out? Before South Carolina Joe Biden was nowhere. He wasn't in the picture There is absolutely no doubt where you see it in particular Massachusetts is in those suburban areas upscale suburban areas We're close we're we're we're close and particularly Buddha. Judge were were running a their their best And Biden beat sanders soundly. There and not just there but in in in in suburban areas around the country which has been a problem for sanders. He hasn't solved it just as he hasn't solved this problem with African American voters. Yeah no I totally agree but it and even the margins even out here in California. Where there's still a couple of zillion ballots well over a million to count from our mail in system. I will bet dollars to donuts at the last. Huge Chunk of late held absentee ballots. That were mailed member. You just have to post Markham. They don't have to get there in time on Monday on election day or even walked and dropped in those those are going to inch forward a bit for Biden. I doubt it will have a big delegate impact simply because we have this bonus delegates system. Here that you know is is Not Worth a lot of explaining other than if you win a big democratic. Cd like a Pelosi one. He gets seven. Dell's you win a Republican CD. Kevin McCarthy's you get four so Bernie will do well in some of those. What Biden will do well like the Karen Bass district down here in la which African American? So I bet. Biden picks up another point on his margin gets up to twenty six in. California which is a lot better than where he was. I think that actually the thing that saved sanders from more abject. Disaster was early voting. And you could really see it. Yeah you could see it in Texas Where the early vote came in first and he had a significant lead a on Biden and then as the evening wore on and same day voting started reporting the gap closed Biden past him. I'll give you an example. A friend of mine in El Paso home of Beto O'Rourke told me that Biden get seventeen percent of the early vote. That was what reported I. He got thirty nine percent of the same dave old that is a pure measure of the South Carolina and Post South County South Carolina Bounce for Biden so totally what saved Bernie Sanders In Texas from a deeper defeat what saved him in California from an even tighter raise was the fact that many people cast ballots early. And Look. I've been a proponent of early voting because I want to make it as easy as possible for people to vote but we see the downside of it as well. There are millions of people who cast ballots that probably they would not have cast if they had known who was viable. Come Election Day. That is totally right. There were people showing up at Lama. These early voting states I know in California wanting to like recant their ballot and switch. Which once you mail it does not happen. How about poor Mike? Bloomberg I guess poor and Mike Bloomberg or not to two words that you should probably us together you spend upwards of half a billion dollars all you get is American Samoa. Hearty Handshake Anna. Thanks for playing. It's Kinda. Yeah and by the way a northern. Mary ANA is coming up so I hope the Bloomberg guys remember. Turn off their machine. They're GONNA get an invoice for four hundred million more and another delegate so yeah I'll give Bloomberg one consolation prize. He did a Classy Swan dive. You know in terms of two minutes. After this thing happened he was out in behind by. Yeah which was the right way to do it. You know as opposed to going to confirm his advisors for a week and check the bumper sticker supply and all that crap he He took a fastball and got where he should be. Yeah Bloomberg was the most pronounced example of this consolidation affect among Democrats driven by trump. Right right by the way what a horrific week for trump he. The guy buys himself and impeachment trying to find out of the race You saw by the way that the ours in the Congress now said Oh. We're going to dust off the old uh hunter Biden invent very trouble at and had a good day very troubled. Apparently the deep deep deep threatening nature of Hunter Biden's relationships reoccurred to them about two. Am on Wednesday morning and now we're going to have a series of hearings. It'll be interesting to see how that all plays out in how people process that But it gets back to the point of again. Joe Is done really well here but JOE needs to up his game for the handle the legacy of what he's winning because some of this were forces these kind of like the guy who was in the In the row boat and the massive tidal wave picked him up and he wet but unvanquished. He wants up twelve hundred miles away the next morning. So yes it's an amazing survival story but it's not a tribute to rowing in. So he's got he's got to get ready. Look no one was harder on them on his campaign. On on the day of the on the day of the South Carolina Primary Jim Clyburn and many others have made this point. He needs to tighten up he needs to augment his campaign. He needs to us he now. Has this incredible array of surrogates and they need to be deployed because Biden snack and be able to carry the ball on his own. And what are the advantages? He has as there's some pretty powerful voices out there now who they can deploy. They have to do that in an organized way. You know what I'd I'd pitch if I were them. I'd put Smart Young Pete. Buddha judge in charge of the campaign who is politically very smart and capable and sends a nice generational message to and I think gets the voters. Joe Isn't getting. I doubt it. But he's got the skill set and he and network to help do Joe 2.0. That is what's needed so I tweeted that and I got a couple of letters stop. You're ruining my life. You know not from him but from other supporters but it would be good it would be in theory in practice the hard thing for anybody you know Anita Dunn there. Now she's capable But you know Biden has a very tight core people around him and this has been true for thirty or more years. I mean his sisters one of them Valerie and And Steve Rochetta's former chief of staff and Ted kauf Manley former interim senator who plays by. Who's been his friend for Forever Mitalent who's brilliant You know a a but but you know their relationship is such that. I don't know how much might can tell Biden Biden has the sort of core of people around him and everybody else to serve in the next ring. And so he's GonNa he's GonNa have to trust people more in. Yeah exactly that and Old-school Paul's are always like that and look for a good friend of mine. I think a lot of them. I think a lot of Donnellan. There's a lot of talent there but they just need to be honest and change their model in a in a fast evolution To be able to exploit this. And that's Hillary. It was hard to get her out of her on. How THAT WORKOUT? So well she built. She built concentric circles around her circle. Right right and that is That is always a little cumbersome thing so this is this is a test but I have to say you know by now As reading this morning he has to. He has to win fifty four percent of the remaining delegates to to get a majority and that didn't seem possible a week ago and what seemed almost certain a week ago was that Bernie Sanders would be a delegate leader and that Biden would be in. The question was how close could Biden? Stick to him now. It looks like Biden could actually achieve a majority of delegates to get fifty four percent of the rest of Sanders would need to get fifty seven. That sounds like a negligible difference. It's really not. It's SIG significant difference. And when you look at the array of of states ahead ackley California Texas were the states were Biden was really going to run. I mean Sanders was really going to run up his numbers. The fact that Biden one Texas and is hanging close in California is really the worst news out of a super Tuesday for standards because from arithmetic standpoint. Not Clear where he's going to pick up from here right. Exactly when you look at that counter you can see that. Biden. It's a better calendar theoretically for Biden Than Bernie and it was funny when we were talking on a after a Sunday after South Carolina. You know the the old conventional wisdom was. Oh Bernie's GONNA rope three hundred delegate lead and we're both suspicious about that and I was saying eighty to one hundred twenty. I think delegate lead and I thought it was going way out on a limb and I think you were kind of in the same place that would be a lot less than three hundred and you know what felt like going out on a limb before Pete on Sunday now looks like way too conservative. And if you look at this counter. I mean people are GonNa say Oh Bernie one Michigan. Which is I think the biggest thing coming up but yeah you WANNA by about eleven votes against Hillary and I think now you've got to give the advantage there to Biden of course Mississippi. The advantage is going to be Biden and Missouri. I would guess the advantages by maybe Washington state for Bernie but next Tuesday looks like more momentum to me unless something huge happens in the race. What what's your take get? No I agree with that. I think everybody's GonNa be watching Michigan. Because it is a midwest industrial state this the argument from Bernie Sanders has been. He's the guy who can carve into these states because he reaches into the white working class communities more readily than other candidates. The fact is that wasn't true on Super Tuesday by the way Gretchen whitmer the governor of Michigan Endorsed Biden today. So the -dorsements parade continues. We will see what that means but And you know something else occurred to me today. Which is Well let's talk. I'll make this point after after the setup a lot was made on election night. About how Little Biden had spent in the Super Tuesday states? What we really what we really saw. And it's not the first time because Donald trump proof the same thing if you can command if you get on an earned media cable TV. Social Media Wave. That completely overwhelms paid media. Only you're on the other side of that in two thousand and sixteen and certainly the Bloomberg folks saw that here that you know that the compression of the schedule from Saturday to Tuesday and you know the huge amount of coverage that Biden. God Was really really important. I wonder a Mike As this sadly as this corona virus thing Ratcheted up how you know how much coverage this race is going to get a moving forward as compared to where we just were. I mean I may be wrong about this but I that's a disadvantage for Bernie Sanders. Yeah because it tends to freeze things in place. I want to hang a lantern on that because we know the model is generally ride the wave and while that was out of favor as I said before in Iowa New Hampshire for various reasons it sure worked in South Carolina Rolling into Super Tuesday where earned media swaps advertising. That's one reason. I always thought the Bloomberg strategy of start late was so hard to do because it's hard to win the Oscar when you're not in the movie and the movie is the big four states in Nevada and South Carolina. This time became that that media generator and that the name. Id that you can build with. Advertising quickly melt away and I think I think that happened to Bloomberg so I'm with you now that we're kind of falling down the stairs here with so many states so quickly. I mean I think we got about nine hundred delegates in the next two Tuesdays. I can't imagine unless Biden has a nuclear level gaffe. Anything happening dramatically upset the race. I mean there might be stories at the margin. That'll that'll you know tip. The North Dakota primary a little more Bernie's way or whatever but I think it's hard to have another moment. Like key. Didn't South Carolina just by the way the the the counters and the other thing I'd say and I'll bet you're gonNA agree with this because we're both media hacks I can't turn on cable. Tv network. I work at the network. You work at An exception we're polluting the airwaves. Or maybe a few other practitioners. All I ever hear for Year is. It's all about the organization troops on the ground so it's massively underrated and yet again it gets disproven. Joe Biden was winning. States barely flew over. Yeah let alone did anything there. But for some reason the process media won't let that go the cynical may say that's why he well in those states but I think that's unfair but the no. Listen I said the other night on. Tv Organization is like the kicking team. It's like the field goal team In a campaign you gotta drive the ball down far enough so that the kicker can actually kick a field goal and and everything else is what drives the you down there. You Organization won't save you. Organization could make the point or two difference between winning and losing right and it's an amplifier it. When you're doing well you do weller. It helps success grow by the way on Bloomberg to wonder how different this race might have been if his people had not joined that debate if they just would not adding until after March third I wonder if his run would have continued It certainly might have been a different picture right now. But that's campaigns man they dare on things that in the moment don't seem as momentous as they will be but that that that is that will go down as a decisive decision that he'll help Joe Biden in his race in his race. Here let me just chime in with that. I think that's true about the debate. But fundamentally as long as a resurgent Biden was in the race off South Carolina Nevada. The curtain was dropped for Bloomberg. Even with a better debate. He might have won a few more votes. He made a big bet. Yeah Billion Dollar Bet on Biden failing by neg zeal exit exit Bloomberg. So let's talk about their strategies. Moving forward Bernie was. Can I erupt you for one? Minute acts I literally have a NEWS FLASH COMING IN ELIZABETH WARREN JUST ANNOUNCED. He's dropping out so she got our memo. And you gotta give her an a plus for fighting. She never gave up. She's a contender and early on. She she did it well but that second. Look at the insurance plan Didn't do it so this was inevitable. She had to do it. She clearly wasn't going anywhere in the race and losing her home state. Badly Was a clear sign of that. But Elizabeth Warren ran a remarkable race when she was written off early. She is a brilliant person. She developed some very very very interesting policy she ran into a buzzsaw call. Bernie Sanders couldn't outmaneuver him for the leadership of the Left. But Elizabeth Warren ran a very good race and everyone should recognize that. Yeah look I thought. At the beginning she had a pretty good stranglehold on the race which she created herself and put herself in a great position to win but that second look on Medicare for all put her on a downward spiral. I think there were some strategic mistakes and she could never quite get out of it sometimes. She was a little too clever cynical by half. I think she was a contender. And I my head tips to anybody with the guts to go get on the ballot for president. So I doubt we've heard the last of Senator Elizabeth Warren. Well we have it because the most important question now is who will. She support moving forward if anyone if she goes with Joe Biden out be tremendous boost for him but signifying a figure from the left. Yeah embracing him If she goes with sanders it could enhance his His his move to broaden his appeal. So we'll wait and see huge point. It's either a real a real signal. That Biden is the person if she goes with him or she goes to Bernie. He's got a new very effective attack. Surrogate just ask Mike Bloomberg. So we're wait to see what happens. so moving forward Bernie. I was about to say about it. Settle as far spacesuit a very clear on election night. I haven't heard that one before how he was going to proceed. He he's getting out the Red Hammer Biden's now the corporate tool and you can tell. He likes Joe. So it's hard for trade. The bankruptcy bill which warrant criticized by non but not lately. Social Security. He's already running. Ads Attacking Biden for suggesting The freezing of social security part of austerity measures in the in the past trade big. You know he's going to go after him on that and being supported by billionaires argument that let's face it may be abetted by spending that. Mayor Bloomberg will be doing in the coming months to help to help Biden. He also did a curious thing which is the day after he got his butt kicked again across the country among African American voters he start running an Obama and words of praise from Obama for Bernie Sanders from. I don't know where and a montage of photos of them together. He is courting a story here because in fact it was true that Bernie Sanders was looking for an opponent. Barack Obama for President Obama in two thousand eleven And he And he you know I mean they they were they worked together and many things they were but they also had deep philosophical differences and sanders made that clear and wanted to primary punt in two thousand eleven so the fact that he's now running Obama ads. It's curious to me and I wonder whether he's going to buy some trouble with curious. The Great Political Word Kid. I find it curious. Well perfect topic for you and Joe to discuss on the X. Files see I'm trying thanks. We buried something on Warren. Apparently no endorsement in her withdrawal is that right. I haven't seen the I haven't seen the details. I just know she's out but you know that's a that is an interesting tell. Yeah Yeah you know speaking of the X. Fight No Pun intended. Bernie's GonNa try to start with Biden you know. Some of those things can cut like social security. What's your view on? How Biden not handle it? Because Bernie has an army of precious millennials. Who you need in the general election. Think JOE IS MR old politics. So you've gotTA somehow slight Bernie down without tear staining the Shaker Vera hipster liberal t shirts at populated army. Because you don't want those pouting voters to to hate you as much as trump what would be your maneuver in the jungles of the Democratic primary to try to pull that off. Because I don't think Joe wants to be a punching bag on social security no but you got be a little careful with Bernie. 'cause you attack his voters. You're buying long-term trouble. I poke out my way through it. I wouldn't get into it. I just say because the fact is nobody really believes that Joe Biden doesn't support social security or believe in social security. Not Just bogart my way through it and say Look I've always supported social security And I WANNA make sure that social security is is strong available abundant for You know for for generations to come and that's a solemn pledge and it's been my work for fifty years you know and let Bernie I mean I would not I would just reassert my commitment. I wouldn't get into well. What what I meant then was out. I was Biden given his instincts. Goes to Goes to defense goes to the defense posture. I would not do that here. That's back to my point about Biden to point out to show little phonetic as Joe will be happy to give it to our speech on his simple historical legislative positions on On Social Security. And why once in a while he and the Republicans thought it was a good idea to slow it down so this is GonNa be a good test. Better Biden March fifteenth. There's a debate on CNN. Presumably everyone will show. They both will show up. It may be the last debate if Biden smart because if the DNC is smart if all they're doing is facilitating Yup Hand to hand combat between the Democrats. That probably doesn't serve the purpose of the of the larger question for you though just quickly on that in terms of DNC politics is. I don't know this in the actual Democratic National Committee those members which is a large and occasionally ungainly organization compared to the Republican National Committee which is smaller and just crazy But on the DEM side how many Bernie people do you think they have on the DNC? That'll put pressure on the leadership for more debates because there could be a politician politics. Yeah because they yeah they could. They could so that'll be you know you'll have to handle that. That's a terrible job chair. Always Hoping Committee so he'll have to. He'll have to navigate that just on the larger point of how by needs to appeal to some of these sanders voters. I have a concern and I've said this publicly About kind of in crushing sanders that you not crush the aspirations of these millions of young people who have responded to his message these kids and I work with them every day. And you do too at a you know you at USC at the University of Chicago. These kids want to change the world and they wanna to ch then they more than wanting to change the world. They feel a sense of urgency about things like climate change about inequality which growing inequality about social injustice You know frankly about the cost of education of a higher education. There are things that they feel a sense of crisis about and they feel like the system has not responded. And that's why they're so They'RE SO RESPONSIVE TO BURN MESSAGE. You don't have to adopt. Bernie's prescriptions. But you should adopt his sense of urgency because these are serious problems and you know so the message that I sent from if I were Biden to these young people is I share your sense of urgency and I share your sense of cause and that 'cause we'll continue and we will We will work with the You know with an urgent need On these things where we're not going to shove them aside. It's really important to I think. Show respect to these young people because they are providing some a moral leadership here In terms of some very very urgent very urgent problems young agree with that. I mean the greatest issue is Bernie has a cause based movement and Joe Biden has a campaign so joe needs to have what the European parties would call a youth effort at. You've campaign which isn't just tactics but it's to adopt the romance of a cause and make sure he's always shows a legitimate you know ear and listening to their concerns. Or He is politics incorporated. He's the man and then after the revolution fizzles out the next step is to just turn away from politics. And that is both morally to get the votes UNITA's president to govern and tactically to get the votes. You need to win a big deal for Joe. So they've got to be careful in how they handle this. I couldn't agree more. And he you know look. I thought the reason. He was so good in South Carolina in that speech that night he won was that he lifted it to a high moral plane. He talked not in sort of you know prosaic terms but in poetic terms about where we as a nation. Mario Cuomo said you campaign in poetry and govern in prose sometimes after all these years of Biden Biden resorts to pros And starts talking about the Legis his legislation and this subsection in that and so on. This is not a time for that. There's a sense of urgency here. That people feel that he needs to capture that and if he does that I think he's going to do well but the bottom line on all this is that He is a reflection of just. How dynamic this system is and you know one thing we've said we have said consistently is what this process requires humility two weeks ago. It looked like sanders was the clear front runner for the nomination and it looked like Donald Trump was sitting in a pretty good spot for reelection. I still think trump is formidable for reelection but look. He bought an impeachment as I said earlier to try and stop Biden. They don't want Biden. If Biden becomes the nominee I think that poses some real problems for Donald Trump. I agree with you but I think trump is L- little more vulnerable because I think the country wants to fire him and a less sticky candidate like. I'm hoping don't know yet. But Hoping Biden two point. Oh can be is is a very good thing for the Democrats very bad thing for Donald Trump. We should talk about the corona virus story which is obviously going to get worse. You know presidential campaigns Turn on things. You can't predict Barack. Obama got elected. I believe between September Fifteenth Two Thousand and eight and note September twenty six. When they had the first presidential debate September fifteenth was the day that Lehman Brothers collapsed and the financial crisis announced itself to America and how he handled that in that moment and how a John McCain handled it was very important and how that race turned out. People are watching president trump right now and how he handles. This is going to have a material effect. The impact on the economy also will But this could be very important and he's discovering that the old playbook may not work against a pandemic yacht. It's a little different opponent. You can't just have hannity come out against science. I agree this could be. And here's one just for you Jane Burn in the snowstorm Yes massive incompetence in issue that matters to people every day. We should set it up for people who aren't yet grappling with the social security issue In their lives Jane Byrne was the Was was a insurgent mayor of Chicago. Challenging Democratic Machine in nineteen seventy nine actually covered that race and She was considered the longest of long shots. And then it snowed for forty straight days in Chicago. And the you know the city that works didn't work right and Trying to clean up the snow couldn't clean up the snow so this is a really tough challenge for trump You can't tell people who are sick. You can't tell people who have lost a loved one that this is fake news. It's not fake news right and it's competence and that's where trump's biggest weaknesses because one. He's trump in two and you can ask anybody ever worked for him and business and to. He is surrounded by in many cases. Real drags or incompetence because real people either won't take the jobber. Trump won't tolerate them so the government is going to be stressed test. A little bit on what it can do. And why don't think it'll be a complete disaster. It's going to be sub par and that's GonNa reflect directly on the PODCASTS. Just at the time that a that a Democrat who you know at least can point to a long history and politics of having an impact and and you know not being incompetent is going to be. Most likely were see the opposition. So it's a bit of a perfect bad storm for the. Let's just add because I know what people are going to say and I and I agree with it. No one should root for failure on this. No one should failure. I hope that's I actually hope trump surprises on the high side. Because there's a lot of fear out there and there's a lot there's a lot of pain and there's GonNa be a lot more and what we really need now is sort of the thing. We don't expect which is a competent response and and truth and facts right the most important thing about a public health crisis and I worked at the White House through some of them. Is You need to let the experts speak. You need to give people the facts they need. You can't minimize This I'll have something say more to say about this last call so I hope they get their act together. Because there's a lot at stake here right and won one silver lining in this. Because we we don't want there to be any more pain than there has to be is one the. Cdc has not been political enough to be on trump's radar screen so it has not been molested by the administration and in many cases the frontline world here is going to be the county and state health departments which reflect a lot of essentially competent governors of both parties around the country. So I think. Luckily it's not all on the president's shoulders He's got some help which is good and as you said I agree. Let the pros do their thing. I I don't. I don't doubt that there are tremendous professionals in the government. I've worked with them on these public health issues. The questions just whether they'll be allowed to do their job and whether they'll be allowed to share news that the president doesn't want share for political reasons that that's going to be very important with that said Be well out there. And now we've got to pay a few bills so let's go to our sponsors all right. That was the magic jingle. It is time for the mail bag. I question from Baabda accent. I what happens to the delegates that a candidate has earned when the candidate drops out. Big Question yet. Is You know. These delegates are pledged And but if a candidate drops out there is a conscience clause in that would allow delegates to To switch their commitments at the convention So for example the Bloomberg delegates if if they if they exercise that they could vote for Biden. The warned delegates could vote for Bernie. But let me just say this. This was a really good question Probably Forty eight hours ago It seems to me that it's much less likely now that we're GonNa have a contested convention and more likely that there's going to be some sort of coalescence around a candidate and that game will have a majority Going into into the convention. I mean like all other predictions gigantic caveat associated with that. But the odds have gone up that you'll have more traditional Convention come and Milwaukee in July yet sure. Looking that way I'll I'll I agree with what you said. I don't know the democratic rules as well. I gotTA look at them. They're all freed in this on a second Palette. If there ever were a second pallet right also on the second pallet peruse that Bernie Sanders supporters helped right you The the super delegates come into play That is the seven hundred or so elected officials and party officials around the country who are essentially ex-officio members of the of the convention. It would be very advantageous for party harmony. If if Joe Biden is the nominee if he doesn't have to rely on super delegates to secure the nomination again I think it is increasingly likely that you're going to have a more conventional convention as it were in a in a first ballot victory for the nominee with everybody dropping out you know. Yeah and that's an important point of the super delegates. Come riding in from the political elite to Smash Bernie because he doesn't make it on the first ballot by one hundred votes That will be as we say in. The business bad optics. I'll just make a footnote from Republican. Land I have not yet studied up on my democratic delegate rules. I'm finishing Daas Kapital I but in the Republican World People Assume. The delegates are loyal to their candidate and a lot of states. The delegate bodies are elected by one process and then the primary tells them how to vote on the first few ballot so back to go back and she history back in the Dole days when I worked for him. We're always worried that a lot of the delegate bodies that were pledged Dole from primary results were actually Pat Robertson people so on a third ballot when they get the vote what they want. They weren't our people so there's some complexities in these open. Conventions about what the delegates hearts and minds versus who went to primary that instructed them to vote a certain way on the first ballot. All right so Allie has a question for you Murphy. Despite what seems like a preponderance of data. That photos are not ideological preferences. Eg voters suggesting that Burns their second choice to Biden or other saying that they want a woman at the top of the ticket while pundits including you guys always revert back to ideology as the guiding principle when discussing scenarios. We're not all pundits old pundits. There's a difference. The truth is off. Voters are unique so some people vote because they like the bumper sticker logo but generally ideology along with age and gender and race. All these things can pull on voters in different ways because it's a human business how they reacted the candidate. We just find. Historically in primaries voters do tend to have more ideological interest indefinite though trump blew that up our thing because he was more of a populist and a conservative and the old rules were the the conservative on the Litmus. Test issues would have an advantage with primary voters. So I think there's some slack in the system I think one thing the punditry world has gotten a bit wrong. This year is the kind of current fascination with gender as a driver of voter behavior. I mean more than half the the voters democratic process so far have been women but if they were voting on gender. Amy wouldn't be out and Elizabeth. Warren wouldn't be getting out today. So voters are more complex and sometimes the template that particularly inexperienced people doing punditry project on that one. I think one thing that needs to be studied as how women react to women can rights and whether there is some gender bias among some segments of of women to a female candidate school up. There's the music it's time for last. Call what he got X. so earlier I talked about how trump was handling the crisis. Last night he went on Sean Hannity's show and Ney said what the World Health Organization said their calculation that there would be a perhaps a three point four percent mortality rate associated with this corona virus. Which is a staggering number in a in a in a disturbing number and trump said. I don't think that's right. I don't believe that I think it's going to be much better than that. And this is what I was talking about. There is no value. You can't spin away a pandemic and Tr what has worked for trump in the past won't work here at he can actually do material damage. He encouraged in that same interview people to go to work his. If they feel sick his experts have said if you feel sick. Do not go to work. Because you'll spread this virus to another hundred people and so this is really serious and this is one you know you. You just pray that Donald Trump can put the country in public health ahead of themselves here and stop trying to spin the facts in a way that aren't warranted. Because there's there's there's real dangerous Jose with that couldn't agree more. Narcissism does not mix of science. The president needs to get out of the way and let the professionals handle it. My last call is just a quick comment on this new kerfuffle between the Democratic leader Chuck Schumer and Chief Justice Roberts of the Supreme Court the Chief Justice on behalf of the institution admonished Schumer for holding a campaign style. Event were invoked. The names of some of the Justices and talked about a pending vote. Schumer has been criticized for that. A politicizing the In a personal way the members of the court Schumer's defense is well trump. Does it all the time and I would say the Senator Schumer? You're you're right on that point but imitating president. Trump is not a step forward for anybody so I think The senator ought a step back and think that well he can say that yes. I'm being as bad as trump. That is not the appropriate way. Let's I think I think humor can do a better job of being more adult than the president and Making him is no step forward. So score me of Roberts on that and I wouldn't mind Robert Standing up for the court against the next time. Trump goes after Elena Kagan or somebody on the left. I agree with everything. You're saying Mike. I just a wish that the chief justice a were as mindful of all of and he has spoken out at times. I mean I give them credit for that. But no one has done more in terms of trying to of under my Undermining traditional integrity than donald trump's rue enough and he deserves to be called on it again and again and again our I brother well onto Ought to Super Tuesday to next week. We've got. We've got a series of Super Tuesday's here Super Tuesday so big. You can't even have it on one Tuesday. It is GONNA be incredible. We've got Idaho Michigan Mississippi Missouri Washington State and we will have the facts from Fargo North Dakota as well next week on another big Tuesday in the presidential race. Thanks for tuning into acts on tap X. Great to chat thanks brother next time

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Episode 156: Renata Adler

Longform Podcast

1:20:14 hr | 2 years ago

Episode 156: Renata Adler

"I it's max a aaron and evan and myself were all in vacation this week and so we are a put in an old episode down the feed and it is one of my all time favorites really it's like one of my favorite conversations i've had with or without microphones it's from september twenty fifteen and a the guest is renate adler were gonna play the intro a firm when you hear the show so you can learn more about her but one thing and then i have thought about since a quite a bit is really not and i were talking promotion that summer about her coming on the show and 'em and it took a long time actually like figure out whether or not a she wants to do it in and i'm just so glad that she did it's it's one of those ones that has really stuck with me and if you are new to the show and a missed it the first time around it seemed like one it might be worth playing again so a here it is from september twenty fifteen number one fifty six i believe they long foreign podcast archive my conversation with they're not adler thanks of course to mail chimp making it possible for us to do the show for so so long it's wild how long we've been doing this show for boggles my mind to be totally honest with you and if you knew it a go check out the archive there are so many conversations in their 'em all of them the the vast majority of them really totally evergreen kind of like the best stories they're like just as good a today as they were when we had the end this one which were not a is a pre me right up there will be back with a new episode next week season hello welcome to the long form podcast maximum i'm here with my co host aaron labor and i am around this gentleman hello this is a this this episode we got going this week it's dirty dirty generating some buzz of excitement already yet stranding among the three of us i i'm excited evan is lightly warm which is hot for him he's coming in hot i can't tell you that jenna while she was editing this was texting me with excitement max who's on the show this week a my guest was renate adler a for those who don't know renate adler a rubber the new yorker in the sixties she was was a named the chief movie critic of the new york times at twenty nine a she's written several books she's written to very well acclaimed novels a she also in nineteen eighty wrote a piece about pauline kale in the new york review of books i would say critical piece it has followed her for some time we talked about that we talked about a lot of it and a and it was a real honor i think there's gonna be some particularly interested listeners for this one people love her yeah i mean i i know what that guy spoiler alert i kind of fell in love with you next which gets to be not fall strip still look there is there is there is there are there no limit and now here's max which were not a man they're not adler heavier well great to be here i mean who could find it normally but i we found it we we did it it's a early in the day it's a it's eleven knish and you told me that you do much better early in the day yeah it's not that early it's it's it's okay but i don't know why said that because i i it was true for years years but right now it doesn't seem to be so true really teams may maybe i do better late in the day i just it's just dissolve again no this let's not put it up again here we are do you write normally in the morning yeah if i right it's normally only in the morning and it's funny because that changes from when you're young i mean all everything changes from when you're young no not everything but that for example being a night person you were in person as young person i think i was a night person or at least ship is perfectly normal to do right at night or right when you got home something now what's happened is i would think oh my god at seven o'clock in the morning the day is already gone how could i possibly work day is already over and that started to move back so i thought oh well you know it's six o'clock in the morning and all ready in europe it's i mean it just it just went on and on down for were done for so i got earlier and earlier and then it became this imaginary thing it'd be worth owning in the morning 'cause you can't really they say at four o'clock in the morning oh my god at four o'clock in the morning there's days going yes in oakland might as well just go to bed now that's yet turning into battle let's talk about a a night owl renate younger writing it night renate if i remember there was a radio program and it was just for night people i forget what it was called but it was where people who worked at night and also for insomniacs an so this this guy began to refer to them i think as the night people became very possessive about tonight people and they about him and he said we don't were not recognized and were not nobody takes kind of what i want you all to do tomorrow what all night people will do tomorrow is go to their local bookstore mentioned they used at local bookstore and say you were looking for book called i libertine so many people went the following morning to their stores stores wherever they bookstore wherever they were an asteroid called i liberty first pick in the books shops would say we can't find it there's no such book and then they're starting to be such a demand they'd say well we have it on order and then somebody actually he wrote a book called i libertine they just wanted it to be an exercise of power by the people who were up at night and it worked did you know no so i'm wondering if this is just something i read or no whether i actually hurting because why can i not remember his name here's the probably ridiculous leap i'm taking which is that i went back and read all these pieces from the new yorker that you didn't in the sixties and in a marching through some of the montgomery in sunset strip been a nigeria that period you were going all over the country looking for i dunno i'm interested in what how you describe it but i was struck by how present you seem to be in these places but not a part of these moments that now have been a at least i have experienced through all of these different historical things it's funny when you know in the book it looks as though i was much more prolific then i was so here's what you're talking about you're collecting those yeah yeah so years would i mean i would go selman i will do nothing further maybe i would do something or did dispels of doing something but so it wasn't sort of jetting around the world or anything i i sort of them but i'm wondering about the scene of imagining experiences as having been your own when they were not i don't think i have that 'cause they easy chair i mean i wouldn't i wouldn't you somebody else's experience and say this is what happened in be afra right in a live update of what's i mean it just it doesn't seem like writing i'll i'll grant you that a maybe you weren't always in the history for ten years and maybe there were some now but i did tried i mean i did sort of happened upon hearing there yeah are you being self deprecating by saying you happened upon it or design is that really how it feels to me like you know what no drawing you to those places okay well i it's it's slightly inaccurate that is so am i really want to go how old were you when you're some i don't know when someone who's in nineteen sixty three probably twenty six right okay but i had just been doing unsigned reviews at the new yorker maybe by the end assigned reviewed or so of of books and maybe a little bit of talk reporting but i had never done any real reporting an ice so admired real reporters i just did rachel as mr sean whether i it goes on and he said yeah and that wasn't also clear because in those days at the new yorker you could reserve things so e j con reserves of africa i mean it was a very positive zone africa dibs on african that broke up all those people were doing good stuff from south knows no march and so i just an end marches it turned out is something that is easier for me as a reporter cover because the structures given that is you say on monday morning you know then on monday at noon monday afternoon monday night so you don't have to you there's nothing abstract that it is a lot of striking things in that story particularly for someone my age to reid about martin luther king i'd say living person joking around no well sure i mean that's a that's not a side effect that a i've seen very much of but there's this moment i think on the first night where everyone's asleep end and you at two in the morning went and talked to the people who were standing watch it's a small point in the story yeah it doesn't really do much doesn't get you much further but at two am this whole camp camp is leaving there's a tense repressed intense from marchers and for some reason that made me realize that you were twenty six year old woman who would somehow talk their way into covering this march for the new yorker and you're those two two in the morning and you're on the field in the middle of alabama in your completely in the background in that moment it's just i quote unquote reporter talking to this nightwatchman it's funny who's interesting even if you're not reporting but just in the course of the day who's interesting in says interesting things and they're so i mean there's such a lot really there's such a lot but being a security guard there yeah i had everything wrong there i was dressed strong i just i just don't so that was lucky t because i thought march and here i am and i'm reporter for the new yorker in those days when we went out we were stockings in high heels and i had my at my coat and and gloves and i arrived and so they immediately thought outside a outside agitators what else would you think you could think not but you know but they've got outside agitators i couldn't get a hotel room were you scared now why not i i don't know and then i noticed on the same sort of up to six thing both in the six day war and then the war in vietnam from an even though the vietnam war that is you have to have a certain kind of sense ability to be scared aired if nothing is directly threatening you so in the streets of jerusalem for example in nineteen sixty seven first i wasn't a bomb shelter there's the six day war and it's just broken out and seeing the bomb shelter i thought gosh what my parents think they went all the way the united states is refugees in order not to get killed whatever and now the daughters it'd be bombed in general but but didn't happen and then i was very eager to get out and when i was walking in jerusalem i thought you know there's nobody else walking out here and i thought how beautiful it is and everything i thought the very odd i i wonder where everybody is and they kept being these sort of pinning but i would have recognized firm television or something but it didn't it was people shooting and then suddenly dawned on me and i thought oh i better go and then i found where everybody was and they were all in the press room so a what you're saying is that you didn't do it'd be scared my sense of danger comes from other things other times i don't know why but in but in vietnam for example in vietnam i thought i mean i had no stealing the war it takes a certain amount of imagination what any only time i became aware of it was i'd been taking these helicopters rents militaries flying everybody around in helicopters which is one so beautiful looking down but there is no bombed anything there is nothing really going on but when i i had finally hit on the piece they wanna do and i was getting a ride in the jeep of lee advisor to the province cheap province chief and then trey and they're too i mean everything turned out to be not what i expected to did visor the province chief who since going on great success and the state department his he turned it turned out that what people were interesting cockfights so he was raised in cox these cock fights with the province chief end there was a military man who seemed a little it seems a little odd to me his job was before we age and it was just then i thought seems odd you know they did they think they've been blow the leaves off the trees and then they'll see b enemy underneath it seemed not likely to me just somehow anyway old trees had lots of leaves i mean i just i just thought if i were if i were on the other side i could managed from these people were drawn to the leaves off the trees but i thought maybe they know what they're doing but anyway hitch a ride to some ferry with somebody in the military and he said now here you have the duck duck and he said yeah because those trees beside road and it turned out nobody shutout asserting but it hadn't even crossed my mind and then on the ferry i noticed again a lot of people were pregnant i mean not a lot but it but i had thought everybody would be cal i guess i thought in a war everybody will be cowering in state of fear all the time all the time yeah and they were not that's being soldiers quite different when it day after day after day and people were blowing up and i'm sort of in a way not surprised to hear you say that because all those pieces sort of include these long descriptions of it's not been out but it's it's common experience how many people sitting around board catch it is astonishing to me but people were sitting around board so i mean like you were maybe figure out a little board in new york they go into these places all over the world where it felt like being tire attention was focused on action and you get there and it'd be like a still kind of a little bit bored i never thought of it i never thought of it but that's right i mean time doesn't pass any differently or anything like that although i mean i must say those poopie african stride because for them i mean they were practically exterminated that's what it was about and that's what people were doing i just didn't happen at any particular moment to be in a place where something was blowing up or or the body around there is anything but that sense of danger i think it may be sensibility one hazard doesn't as as as a reporter 'cause the war reporters but i knew who were among the best reporters i mean if you say war in any even the broader sense they were so good they were just so good and they didn't look scared me i'm interested in when you when you were in places like be offered in in vietnam a that didn't have the kind of built in narrative that someone in montgomery as yeah how you knew you had the story like how how you knew you were done how you knew you were ready to go home so interesting because of course nothing happened that would explain that i mean there's there was not a story line you know there is no story nothing nothing is true situation when i left it that had not been through the situation when i went there so what did i know i have no idea because of course it could have been scheduling because you couldn't fly in her out of it so having flown in brings you have decided to leave or maybe they weren't that many opportunities because they joined the i had just gone all this way to santa's may which is an island off there you go angolan old and i thought oh dear i'm gonna have to look at new yorkers that didn't get in but then it turned out the joint church jade remembered and the application had made a long time so i got to go in on the fish but on the way back i remember this very clearly we were taking a plane and to my surprise what was leaving on the plane look me somebody who's going to be ivory coast but it without right it's getting out i knew it was time to go home and the planes full of refrigerators i mean being used refrigerators being exploited be effort and i didn't inquire about the rich i wouldn't have known what ask me what could you possibly do which is to clear this up as the plane it was just a flight out it'd be affluence you and a bunch of used refrigerators and yeah they offer that's it you were like oh yeah i've got i've got the story me i've got the story but i thought so i don't understand is recruiter at i'm not even gonna ask rather with that i think it's important as i mean you could ask but i know nothing about that was refrigerators and i've tried many times over the years the think watch what's going on with the money raising effort selling news refrigerators 'cause i suppose if you don't have any food is not much use refrigerated but no no explanation made any sense to me at all none i really love that answer i've asked people a lot of people that question like how do you know when you're done reporting porting caddy out at san diego and everyone has like really clean answers when when did you start hearing the same things over and over again it's times like that once you once you once you feel like you don't have any questions left then sunday go but you just left on a plane plane full of used refrigerators that's it but of course i didn't notice it before he goes refrigerators but it was certainly a flight out and then i thought my mother will be very very relieved that i'm still alive i mean that was a so i must have been pretty consistent thought yeah she looking back on she's pretty good about this really very glad that would not have been very happy if in my twenties i was running around the world war zones knowing it chris didn't seem like that but still it must have been undermined wouldn't like it's much much suddenly said i'm leaving be a friend you know you might have a marker to to may i almost hesitate as this question because i think it it might reflects poorly on me but mascot anyway i have this image of you now in jerusalem bullets flying around you and not realizing the bullets if i don't mean they were i don't mean there was such a rather tat tat all the time it just from time to time and it was clearly this sound living on the street and the result of their work actually both were or whatever they were i mean mall metal objects shutout of gotten yes or or maybe larger that's what i meant it's been some bangs not just i appreciate the fact checking my i know i know there's no no i don't remember what it there's there's something something in the way you described yourself at that age doing this reporting naive is not the word that i wanna i wanna use a but i don't know a better one meeting those stories they're so confident the work that came out of those experiences is so short of itself that feels like a little bit of a gap to me doesn't feel that way to you know when you mentioned it it does it does make but i think when you were starting question i thought the naive part is that then perhaps in some ways even till now almost everything struck me is fairly strange i mean it's equally i mean not equally strange but i think we're we're how i'd been where i felt physical fear and one very clear case to me is in the bridgeport railroad station when when there was somebody there in a trench coat and i thought this is released trouble and it was but i mean then i think a man in a trenchcoat i mean every girls experience right of of some portly lighted place where you think that this doesn't look good at all right what happened with the guys the transfer way worse following me and it was just it just listen to it just it just didn't feel right at all and i didn't know what i would do i mean there's nothing i could do i mean this horrible realize what happened nothing there's there's a guy following you around a tree no no no no which he you know he had his trenchcoat open with us it was not there is not a it was not a happy encountered in any way but also he looked you know he looked sort of scary when when's maybe three times in my life always in railroad station so it's probably part of every american girls life in that period but that that was real physical feet i mean he adrenaline and i thought now now what do i do and where do i go and salon what'd you do where do you go i went back to the station it's because there's nobody in the states i went back in sat on the bench near the near the ticket counter which of course is closed and there were no cellphones i don't know i just i guess everything tests or normally but the confidence wasn't there at all i don't think i have it in situations usually anyway i mean how much more than i used to when i was shy you wish i when when you're and you're twenty two in the stories yeah yeah yeah yeah i didn't shy try is the right word how did that manifests but one thing i didn't look so much and and i had this sort of fears meeting people and then i have this tremor anyway whichever we've had so the question of getting a spoon if you really got shakes say and you're not i mean at an age where people just assume it's parkinson's and you can't get spoonful soup mouth because you're shaking it was a form of nervousness maybe more then china's i don't remember i mean i'm i'm too different from what i was then to know it but you question about the naive tae in the confidence in the righty yeah here's the thing it's a different person who writes i guess it becomes a different person because if you if you're just gonna be totally tentative and you say well you know something seems me going on and be ephron there people you know and i don't wanna take sides were anything but they're you know something something going on and i noticed people are eating a whole lot in yet you know and the children look like this and they orphanages that that would be very weird that would reid weird yeah that would be weird and it it might reid is lack of confidence but it wouldn't be is like a couple of days with lou reed is a different sort of style and if you then said in selma if you absolutely stressed and there was this dude you know doctor king came in and you couldn't unless you have some unless you're gonna be fairly definite when writing i mean i don't think i right into situations in which i don't feel some confidence that what i'm writing is like true yeah okay so you you had confidence that it was right but i wanna go back to something you just said which is the the writer in the reporter i guess you know for a purpose you're different people yes i think that's right except when there's a time stress when there's a time stressing you just have the deadline there's nothing you can do it turns out there's too much difference it sometimes there is sometimes there isn't if i'm reading under great time pressure or i worked you know endlessly revising it doesn't it doesn't seem but i think there is a difference in my case there is i don't think there's and everybody's case at all just one of them feel more like you yeah the non writer one the non writer when so it's i will let you think about that a little bit more but it's off to good question because don't you sometimes times field you were really several people i mean there's the one who does this is the one who does that end there you are it's gone so far with me will always had gone this far but it suddenly related now in my mind as it was not before about people being at home in their names now if i never thought of an at and i think a lot of people feel that their name is not really doesn't apply to them and i'm one of those i i know i mean i'm like what kind of written on him i mean but if i were jane you feel like urging more like the jane burn notice if you're sure yeah yeah well let gotten a hold of you gotta felt like a max well you see i guess i mentioned it i was nearly max and i would have felt i as a max of did i didn't tell you the news came out when you see the the max questions extra become three max because my two brothers had been born in were already going to italian schools 'cause my parents had left germany earlier where my brothers were born and stuff like that rule where he got shot publisher said at the beginning but you're family fled the holocaust before you were born yes just so people know oh yes i mean they left yes in fact they fled germany in nineteen thirty three when only meant maybe for the first time and then they kept going back their stories which is quite interesting you know i i mean i've got all the time in the world we could get into that too no no i don't think we should when it occurred to me maybe as late as my forties forties that i was in accident i mean you know that that they couldn't at that point in their live welcomed another little refugee while they were on the run because they weren't exactly on running i think they did welcome having but they were expecting amax to be named after my mother's rich bachelor uncle max and then i would you do you know so that is a long way from the max would have felt right now doesn't feel right medics would have felt so right yeah that's what it felt renate is a different person i don't know what i mean i feel like i'm not to me i do a woman maybe i'll get used to it but i mean i'm more used to it then i used to be let's go back to what we were really talking about which was the reporter dish the shy person yeah felt more like you and me confident definitive person on the page oh for sure i mean for sure yeah although i feel more confident about the confident person than i do about the i don't know how i separate the my may not i i'm i'm never separated them in this way my mind i'm more separated them oddly into the writer fiction writer of of nonfiction ha well what's that what's what is the difference so quick oh i mean that's just a it's just a coincidence is just a coincidence they're both the same tours it's just a it's just one of those things that happens you know the just i wonder if that's true i don't mean that to be quite so frivolous louis but it's really very different really tell me about that 'cause i'm a something understand very well so explain that to me well i don't how do you think how well let's try that is trying it looks dry how do we how do you think about about yourself as a novelist versus yourself as a nonfiction where it's very interesting because sometimes in the fiction there is stuff that's more literally true then what i could do in reporting about the same situation so is reporting but the minute you say it's fiction it becomes fiction context is different the meaning is different meaning to me is different the thinking of when you say that thinking it happened to me again and again in writing fiction that i would be telling a story i mean it it it stored at more like an anecdote in the story but no story actually a story and the whole reason for my telling you came event and then i'd be writing it literally as it happened as i understood it as it happened as well as i could and suddenly i would think this has to be cut off here this is before the whole point because it looks to like satire that's gone too far at you that quite often happens that happens to i mean you just can't do foxwoods to real new because markets do harsh note to two to four because the reality is so much more extreme sometimes than what one ashley right without putting people completely off you'd think well all right now now she's real it in a way i wonder stand up comedians know how to change tough change gears but it it's a different problem because there were a lot of literally true stories in my fiction and i could there's no way i could do those insects pieces but there's no way i could do them completely a fiction either because it looks wild looks wildly wildly improbable and not the better just cut it it's too crazy dating being a novel that's right that's right you've gone too far gone too far particularly since it's accurate i mean if you're making it up and you say well you know i you know and then the dragon came to see me in the end you know all this very upset you could make up i mean this wonderful even far out fiction when could right it's it's not that you didn't feel like you're you're novels workout of in conversation with you're journalism middle never forgot about it to this minute yes in another way sure yeah in another way yes how so i thought that you know having been critic for so long and having done the whole thing backwards right actually issue i think the proper order is maybe read fiction maybe you get a job at a newspaper then you right reporting pieces and then you right criticism i mean criticism his role i mean i don't mean for all people but it's pretty it's the end of the line is not the beginning of the line so start out as a critic with all these opinions about everything you know in these using these interpretation and then get to be a reporter porter which is certainly at least that should be step one if if if one is not print it and then but then i thought real writing real writers right i mean so having been a critic and been criticized a lot of fiction after all and movies and stuff i thought well then you have to have tried it after done it could be talking about her time as a as a critic for a second sure it's been fourteen months is the movie critic of the new york times yeah you were hired i believe at twenty nine yup didn't start till till three okay maybe i was twenty nine when they start i can't remember exactly but i think well i know when you started a you turned thirty ready britain in october yeah and i started first first review is january seventh okay yeah so you're thirsty that's right and you're the league movie critic the new york times right thirty years old yeah had not reviewed movies before florence in one of those summer substitute capacities forever a lumped in the summer at the new yorker once for life magazine maybe twice for life magazine i realized i'd forgotten that list but like you know the time just hired a new tv critic he'd been writing for time magazine for you know twenty years yeah a or maybe not tony but he'd been writing he's been doing you've he's taking a tv coverage of the times you were sort of giving a brand new job yes a you've written about it quite a bit but but maybe our listeners don't know how it went so how would you describe the fourteen months wendy began when i was offered one of the but critics jobs you remember there were two book critics oh i said no i can't do that talk and they end up as they said how come and i said well because the book review take so much time you have to keep going overwritten over and over and i have found even as a reporter i need something that goes on in time but i that's why i love this podcast because we're gonna sit and talk yeah and then we're gonna end it yeah and then there's no going back in review right you then have to do you're next podcast ron you're next it is what it is it is it is what it is a and so a movie takes place in time and if you go see it ten times before you review it first of all there's no time to do that if the daily critic but but but see but i hadn't said that it wasn't my dream it'd be a movie had never crossed my mind but i realized about reporting pieces so hopeless at any reporting piece that didn't go and then and then and then although be afros came after did not go in and so so i don't but anyway that was my delusion till you see arthur dealt with a great friend in april's involves friend and i even babysat once arthur's children so that so now there's patriot and he doesn't mean there's no reason framed remember me but anyway so they had offered me this book critic job and then i guess bazi crowder embarrass them 'cause he was panning constantly is panic you'd be the chief critic for twenty seven years for twenty seven years so then then also called and he said it and we had lunch and he said if we offer you the movie critics job where you take it and that came brothers new york and i said i don't know i have to ask mr sean william you have as short as well we couldn't do do it all my life or anything and he said well you certainly can't ask before we've offered it to you that's not do sequence and so i said well i certainly can't consider it unless so he said all right we've forgotten man i went to a new yorker and i said mr john you know maybe i would write more frequently frequently 'cause i was writing less and less frequently if i had a deadline constantly just a rotating deadline might be he said if you think i'm gonna advise you to go the times so i i just really want to know if he would welcome me back and he sort of generously said would end then so then arthur in aid both thought did bosley that they wanna make it clear the bosley crowd there is no longer the film critic at the time so they all more less eliminated the second string they said review everything comes out which was a lot of writing did you feel like you're on like a much bigger stage weli i felt i wasn't on a much bigger stage in that some people who had never heard of me would say i know he's a senior senior named similar mhm and that was the daily times the sunday times right still happens to me they say oh you're the movie critic were you in a position where you could make or break a film i don't think so i mean bosley had been in that position and kept breaking small films so i mean creek cleopatra we get a huge review because a lot of money being spent on it or maybe it wasn't cleopatra but big picture gotta love it but i don't think i could break film and i wouldn't want it to an ester making them sometimes i tried and sometimes it works sometimes it didn't work but it wasn't the power is gone the minute i had the job the what's gone through thirty drew willing yeah i mean yeah it wasn't wasn't institution anymore speaking in i think they welcome that i don't think they want i mean they the times could still to this day open and closed plays yes and they could certainly do it with books almost roadster restaurants to that's a terrible power and there were more papers then fortunately so there were other great you could you could be applied barnes when you could be anybody so the power moralist wet so it either people start views about whether i was good at it or or terrible at it well i think part of the reason i'm asking that question was the studios took out an ad yes in the paper right full page ad yes about how you were paying all these movies yes no you're right you're absolutely right yeah was in fact many of which i had not panned well yeah it was like the graduate yes that's right you went into a graduate yet i wasn't this and then i would then then and she also dislikes are picture right isn't what a recommendation that's right that was the punchline what a recommendation that feels almost unprecedented me i i don't i can't think of any other moments like that where the companies would take out an ad in the same papers the critic punch back and i hadn't i i can't even remember with the picture was at this moment but i haven't really found their pictures either i really had and it just it just the notion of what what's happening and what's not panning but i think it was just so odd tapped me doing this i think everybody had an opinion about so there is no danger in it right and i wasn't doing anything and i didn't do anything but for example now if i think about you going out and suddenly sports supposing they had sent me out report on football games well i couldn't have done that i mean i just couldn't do that but this i sort of thought i could do and i thought well i'm doing it in the same embarrassment that i had before about piece of sneaking oh you know looking at this piece when it comes out so would it changed completely my attitude toward writing because the way to get over the embarrassment of a piece well it appears the peace new yorker every few months every few years it seems like the whole life turns on what you right in that piece 'cause that's gonna be laughed anybody here's from you for a long time but that's at times i had regular reviewing jobs at the new yorker to but so at the times they only way out of embarrassment of yesterday's piece what's the right better pete right so it it's all about yeah yeah except for those people to w habit in forget they didn't forget but also where a lot of people who just hated those reviews it were a lot of movie buffs an end variety i started seeing in my in my spare time there wasn't really any spare time but i started to go to the museum sam of modern art and they had a collection of movies and i would see classic movies and i hadn't seen before also with the golden period of cinematic when you long hours there and there were so there's a lot to do an variety ran a complete mocking peace and then another one she so she would not educated about movie she's actually taking watching movies the museum of modern art so i had stopped but that's just a fact i think we were talking about before like the person on page and the person off yeah those reviews are are in the same ways reporting they're confident in definitive opinion is is clear forceful but what is it like that like variety writing pieces about how you were doing a bad job and people taken out ads and you're on paper and other people i knew quite embarrassing talk to me about that and other people like them and then other people still have an impression of how the person on the page would respond to that how which is basically fuck fuck off let me sort of it's a form of fuck off his new full like that that that kind of confidence right that kind of like the the declared of definitive writing so this is what i think you may not like it if you know what but i've thought about it and wherever arrived eight shy slightly less comfortable person off the page yeah i would imagine that getting an ad taken a newspaper would be pretty uncomfortable having friends burst talk to you about you reviews would be uncomfortable the friends embarrassed with problem the the the ad problem 'cause i there is this thing and i'm sure you have a two about trying to give value some kind of value what's the point writing a piece of any kind unless you think there's something in there very hard right if there's nothing in there or but but but i think a lot of people do they just sort of say well i read this piece and i write this piece and i think this is what i think and they've saved bridge but i worked pretty hard in that one sense of saying well oh what's here i mean why should why on earth should anybody reid the speech and quite often it's hard to find unanswered particular it'd be right in review movies every day but they often enough i thought oh wait no this is really what i'm doing and so if people don't like it i can't help it but this is what i do and i am fairly confident rent since it's partly because of what people added that is it varies conceptions of what writing is obviously asli what good writing is and you think many things i think there's no doubt the walk off as a wonderful writer as it happens i don't it doesn't speak to me right so i just want it to be fairly confident that there was something something in the writing it i guess i never i don't right unless i have that but when it was every day then it was a question of can i find something everyday did i do to protect itself that way happening if that job oh well on my oldest brother said you're gonna do this for the rest of your life and andy harris rosenberg sets and everybody else is sold out to the top culture release any keep doing this and then an hour and her husband who both were scandalized i haven't finished my phd and i began to be and then i don't know enough it's been you know it as it was it was more of the new year right so it wasn't that i thought it was always question when he stopped 'cause it's just crazy i thought it was just crazy crazy to be critic movie critic particularly every day of your life with an opinion about every movie by everybody at that's too many opinions for one thing it's just it's just you put out a collection of you're of you're criticism and then the introduction you had the line at that really stuck with me i've been thinking about which is basically like having too many opinions on too many things is a sign of of huxterism do i say that letting it may be true and hoarding does make sense reporting everyday does make sense because you're telling a story which is true everyday you think there's some reason that people should know right you have any idea what's the difference between going out every day and reporting things and learning things and formulating opinion on everything that comes lost her transports it's just it's a bad sign if you find if you find i think i mean if you have an opinion sound right to me yeah which is about it because i don't i would have been you know a lot of stuff no no in perhaps when really shouldn't you know except except there were there were people there is a thing happens with the people wanted myers that one would just too soon and follow in a lot of opinions but even there one sometimes there's no not here not hear other people like that for you yeah who i was just wondering when i was seeing those sentences i've seen one problem is right now there are none relate i can think of but for example example my idea of such person in retrospect particularly is a senator moynahan is pat moynahan which always right but everything i mean looking back i mean he said abolish the cia in all the secret services it it turns out it's something were not good at worst certain kind of free society there infested with spies they've never been good at anything and he just enumerated the all he said you know they were wrong they did they they swore harry truman president truman that that the chinese would not entered the korean war they've been wrong on every single issue they said the soviet union was catching up to us and i mean every single issue an end he said the problem is secrecy secrecy and you know he he couldn't be dismissed is not or or a left wing anything 'cause he wasn't right and he was in fact a center and he had also been had to do with the nixon administration so when he said they were you know secrets of fools i thought that was in a way not fair to me what he was saying but he he almost got it through to abolish those agencies in of course we see i mean talk about precedent to an end it also it struck me truth it every time they failed in this seems to be other institutions as well they would say well we don't have enough money and they would get more money on the basis of the failure and if you think of nine eleven i mean they didn't foresee it they didn't analyze it they have everything wrong about it they completely altered or society on the basis of what liberals pat and when he was talking about benign neglect that was one of those unfortunate phrases but i mean he was right about nine neglecting when he he almost put through max i don't know from you don't remember this he almost put through the guaranteed annual income that every american was entitled to a certain income and it would have abolished so many agencies so many useless agencies and so much crime everyday just everybody's entitled to livelihood so what happened is his is liberals said it's not enough money we we both were conservatives of said it's communism socialism or whatever but he's right he's always he's right about penn station and inspiring i don't know anything about an unusual where it's just very smart and he's very nice and he's not in a rage all the time which is which i don't often i don't understand stand in in very sound social critics why they're not in rage all the time do you miss having having someone like that overlay yeah do you look for lepers well i find myself renting a lot of rereading a lotta moynahan 'cause i but oh this is the way it's done a mean the people i agree with and i love and so forth but not in that way where everybody somebody says something you say well i have to take that into account and think about it a little bit before thank watch nice maybe wrote a piece about ponytail yesterday a critical piece about her work as we review the new yorker right they piece got quite a bit of attention it did it did it go on understand you were on staff at the new yorker and pieces in the new york review of books and part of the reason most of the reason perhaps got so much attention with people were very attracted to the controversy of one one person criticizing another person who were just say magazine over she finally enough max that's one of those things have turned out to be just completely nuts to that i mean i i remember mr sean i mean there were some people who thought that he had commission speech right which could have not but he he was one of the things she said to me is he said it's unprecedented not a bit unprecedented mary mccarthy attack challenge if people were always attacking each other within the new yorker it's just there were something peculiar about paulie which is why i did it i mean first i wasn't into it at all i really wasn't gonna do it i mean there i was out in newtown connecticut absurd pressing listen to my own work an end they sent me this this book first review right when the lights go down and i called delivers 'cause we both had the same editor to a lot of the time although and fiction ahead mister show and i said built tell me why i should not right really negative review about pulling kills book and he said because you'd like work and i'd meyer came along michael yeah that's right i do i didn't do my work and then i started rini in an i called him up and i said well you know i it turns out it don't don't like her work it's everything about a certain kind of writing the i despise didn't say certain kind of everything about writing that i despise and he said no it is and i said well how do you mean he said she's not a limousine liberal that's what that's right a limousine liberal the result of this was that it got so much more i mean it probably made the peace much much more emphatic would otherwise have been because i began to blame my not writing this piece for my not reading in yes i thought i simply must be weight because in that moment in your life you were you were writing no and i thought this is why i'm not writing has become as somebody in fact i need you to write this particular piece niche i mean so that peacefully goes like the get you off the schneide to get to get you off the schneide what's the schneide like being in a slump being in a slump yeah no it wasn't really that because i then started reading it starting in the way of doing it and i thought this is really terrible and not only is terrible it's terrible in in very ugly way end it's taking over a certain kind of writing a lot of writing and i think defects we still have them we still haven't it's just it's it's tyner right i mean i didn't really say how much i despise that kind of writing but looking back on it i think may not so much been pulling can't support because the struggle with the new yorker and i think she could have written a completely different kind of piece if there hadn't been weekly struggles which shows one about what you're gonna try but you look at those pieces i mean here's the thing their opinions and opinions but some things if you put this in one of those one of reasons i quoted it so many times is the i didn't want it to be possible just say this is quoting out of context there was no other times i read it read it again this morning in the there's like two full page is one of the one of the problems of jeff the work that keeps asking rhetorical questions yeah and at one point there just like thirty or forty of them in because otherwise it could be unfair and i wanna there'd be no that's how many did you talked about a lot of you believe like a critic must quote must club from from the source must clip from a source and must quote fairly so that all full sentence everybody that somehow it's there about every word every line malone do okay i and i'm i'm just gonna read it because it is so often associated with you it's remarkable has nothing to do with what i usually right and i it's not the kind of like he followed around the line is a without kale like exaggeration this collection of views not simply jarring we piece by piece line by line in without interruption worthless yes it's not my favorite sentence but the the truth of the matter is and i hate sentence is getting the truth of the matter is i think what was really true was when i say to be fair you have to quote i asked myself am i being fair and i went through that book and i look for one worth while anything one sentence was quoting quoting one thought was at the end it was taught you couldn't find it in all the people who who sort of said well you know what a wonderful and she doesn't get it about writing well known has come up with a single line or a word from that book that is of any value whatsoever because there aren't any in that book i mean i'm a research person you know and i end end if there had been one my position mission would have been stronger and what he thought of it that way but it would have been strong requisite on the one hand you know you have once or twice this but what you mostly have is this what you had entirely which made me right that stupid since which i which i hadn't been company that had been i don't wish hadn't written it doesn't matter it's just a thing that people fixed on so it will be on her tombstone in a way it'll be on my tombstone in which no it's not important what was important was what she was and did and what she represented in the culture and if it hadn't been for new yorker she would represent something quite different in the culture and would probably been better for everybody you'll regret that line is there anything about that piece of regret well i don't like that line because i didn't wanna hear it i'm so sick of it and i did wasn't the center of the piece i just couldn't i just suddenly trapped in this courtroom i mean what i cut it now no wouldn't make any difference anyway no would you still still which still file that he's like make it much stronger i'd make it much stronger because it's it's really it's a real problem in my view in in the culture in the way that people look at opinions and the way they look what sentences and the way they look at what which is in the way they look at what of verbal or an intellectual adventure is this is not the real thing when anything i mean you know the the pull let's now would never called in the bullets but they're called the bullet and you can see their influence everywhere even people who seem to think that in this conversation it so far it was a conversation pulling the victim ended its and a nasty piece or a hatchet job might be hatchet job something quite different a hatchet job is when somebody sits down to destroy a piece of work regardless of its value is if if he says no value it's not a hatchet job i dunno it something else but it used to mean that it used to mean you know here's this masterpiece and some idiot comes in does agile but at g and so the loyalty and what i was gonna say is the loyalty of of i don't know what to say to do that is to say look if you look at these quotes in this piece and say what you fail to notice is that there's this this wonderful about this wonderful then i suppose they may be right but then we just don't leave in a world where you just don't we just just don't share of you is is understating there 'em it's interesting to me that thirty five years after that piece ran a you feel as strongly about it as you as you seem to an part of where i'm getting that from is is that one of very few places and you're collection they put out this this spring that hasn't update at all in the i did that is before that piece i don't know why did that but you know i had two pieces that they were gonna run that i took out i don't know what i'm doing i just i mean writing that you're gonna put it in the question did that too but the but no but also other pieces it i'd written that i thought this is better than this you know that thing when you start putting up everything question yeah i don't know why did that i don't know what that i have a theory tell me about why he did it which would try and make the point that you were just making which was it's a funny little thing you wrote you referring herself as a third in the third person in it and do well and you give a little bio for yourself how mazing reasons were hand me were two hundred and forty pages injured collected at this point saying oh by the way my name is yeah yeah and but but the the point the reason is what you're asking the reader to do in that little introduction yeah it's please just reid this i think that's good i mean there's a sentencing here that's following around for thirty five years i'm gonna be on my tombstone yeah i'd appreciate it if at least you agreed the whole thing because i stand by the logic in here and i stand by opinion in here i think that's what makes kind of sense but it doesn't it doesn't what what's happened is there were people who were not persuaded by that and if people were not persuaded by that i might as well forget it i mean if not persuaded by at then that's you know that's foaling gail leader and i would look at the different reader but it the thing is the pulling camp kind of sentence the polling kill kind of aggression enthusiasm whatever it's it's it's you see it all over the place and it's kind of writing that i guess you know by the time i got to that sentence piece by piece line by line that i was so disgusted i thought i never noticed this this is a terrible bullying business whereas as with pat moynahan right i redid law and no matter how strange his argument is it i there's not a line that i could quote the way he doesn't say something original interesting and factual i mean here's here's somebody who pan show a i mean she just i mean what is this but for some reason there's this tenacity to the memory of this i'm not it's not the peace itself then i'm still emphatic about could who cares about the beach so it's the phenomenon it's it's just lasts less and less and it's kind of i mean i would almost say lazy lazy writing it thinks it's doing something it's it's it's sort of crows with triumph of drifting kind of friday metric going after net pc me yeah it's still here over a bunch here win prizes very much you're not everybody does it but i mean maybe you need to write like an update to that no no no no no that's all i had to save lives in that piece i wanna talk about some other stuff but i have one more question about this which which i'm just interested in in new york in that time yeah and like the you know media world in that moment is is very unfamiliar to me like i i can't get a real feel for it if that makes sense and in just in preparing for this conversations i've ever read a lot about that time in 'em people kind of described you as i heard the phrase read it girl lotta times it's so funny because there's nothing of that well i'm interested in your experience of that time 'cause i again like i just feel like i don't have a have a feel for it you know like i can't i can't put it between the fingers but you're part of i wanna know is like did you like the fight of it no absolutely not no i didn't like it at all it's not that does not say i wouldn't do it again but no that winning funding for you though no the fallout from that like no it was astonishing and it wasn't fun and it didn't it no it's not which is not to say that i wouldn't run again but i'm good and i certainly would write it again but i just thought gee you know this is this is really we're mr sean run 'cause i had just called in to say that that that i know what you're saving colts civil somebody writes one writer as a negative feedback and i said i just want to tell you but i'm not going to say anything about it and i'm not going to talk press tonight i have got gotten harder got to say that so outraged juicy and it took quite a while for him to forgive me i mean you got rid by the peace yeah he says he said he said i can't talk to you about that i could be candid is what he said but of course when he met with new yorker will be 'cause all of a sudden the new yorkers filtering out of everything for various reasons were sort what could be essence the pauline so i mean really good writing that happened have the word fucking shit not a chance right not a chance and meanwhile you have this disgusting out in my view discussing i mean i just i wouldn't but it's not pulling in a funny way it's not pulling it was it was a moment in the culture and there she was mhm i mean for example i noticed on the net there's the question of whether negative criticism is wicked in itself yeah that's conversation people like a bunch of people have a like new publications have come out and said we're not gonna have negative reviews it which is in a way silly but in a way not sleep because really good critics i mean really great it's you remember them for what they praised in the pan we remember and wilson for all sorts of wonderful pieces they brought to american culture the foreign but not customers reading like but the question is whether you know if if the if everything's positive within a certain it has no meaning right like like i you know i feel like a it's like mary i don't know if you've ever you know if you if you ever look at social media and stuff but i feel like we've we've we've run out of superlatives that's right we'd have any any superlatives lost meeting great has no meaning anymore great has no great means i read it or i may have read it read some but i wish i read but no also the thing of it it's so i mean there isn't criticism there's gonna be negative criticism what is it worth what you have to say here's another reason people don't like the right negative stuff yeah is because these other friends there people who are gonna give them jobs at the people they work with down the line there people who knew favors for the where that's very helpful it seems to me like you didn't worry about that very much i didn't and i should have but i i i still wouldn't have but the one you know it's funny because people get sequence wrong that is i got in trouble the first sign of trouble was when i was writing pieces about the west moreland insure own libel giles you know and and became a book because the pieces some long in both cases as it happens they they media in one case time magazine in india kcbs were wrong and and they had every reason to know it and they brought in the toughest scariest law law firm to defend to the death this thing so i i i was supposed to have a law calling in and so i wrote these pieces and i and i used depositions and of course if you're daily report you can't use the depositions 'cause there's no time to eat a deposition i got into off line of trauma that because i wish tacking depressed you just don't do it i wanna talk about this a little bit more 'cause the new yorker when you're home for a long time you wrote a book that had a lot of critical stuff about you britain critically about the town critically about people you work with oh see that's a very important issue from mac okay well here's here's here's the writers oddly enough i mean even people who liked my worst kept said you know she has the courage to bite the hand that feeds or whatever it is nothing like that happened i was such a defender of the new yorker that i was doing it even in my reviews at the times i was saying this writers i mean an end i was almost almost a hired gun for the new yorker the new yorker did not engage pulling ugly with anybody but oddly enough if somebody was attacking new yorker has split this they might have me direct okay okay i mean something we did but it's it's it's how it came out understand and i was complete loyal to it and i loved it i mean in that way the people do then it changed changed magazine in the magazine change and i you know with the way my book came out i didn't mean to write a book about the new yorker i just noticed people that i liked and i felt like me really did not and never had and i think it was partly to do when i went to the times and did the movie reviews because it had to do with the notion of fame i mean who knows what and they hated my fitch i mean there were people who hated me there which i for some reason did not know right at the theater you know perfectly nice people in their friends i didn't know it and then i started being attacked in book after book for instance one books at the beginning of the end of the new yorker was the pieces fiber not adder about but the west moreland insure own child which she bulled through berkeley couldn't blasting through new york which secondly it's not what i do but thirdly it's pretty traceable with somebody else said she's written called time magazine and said she's written a story so filthy see i mean it was really attack everywhere and so i thought she you know i don't think new yorker i think a better have my own protection that is i'm gonna write my own new yorker memoir and it just out there so but i wasn't really gonna write and then ten years past that wasn't and write it and then simon's who said they wanted their money back and i couldn't and and so if i did by then it was so completely defensive i'd been virtually fired by the new yorker i'd had very troubling time with the new yorker that is when they change management's i mean what everyone thinks of david ramnik he was not a fan so there came moment freaks out at greeted him very warmly everything you know i'm normally quite friendly but then became a moment when i said look i'm great at the review you know with e d e m special counsel but the impeachment of clinton is that these reports the house committee he's pointing at and i just have quite a lot of experience of impeachment inquiry 'cause nixon inquiry you're you're the speech writer for the beach but it got to be more than that it got to be so so right and so i said can i could i when that book comes out that report i mean nothing is more boring than a report house reports committee reports she could i when i when that books comes out could i review it and david ramnik said to me frankly granada i i've just had too many monica lewinsky pieces and i thought look there a lot of things you could say a lot of things you could say if you're living writer down easy but i don't write monica lewinsky piss ant so i thought you know i just don't have a future here so i went to grade and carter and he said of course and then i turned it was gonna be six volumes instead of just one and i said great and could have more time because it's gonna be so much longer and he be in his way a great as you said no so i i did i think i did have been very good job on the star report but i thought i mean nobody who says me frankly i've had enough money at which you say it could take a million things but it was about is hostile the thing is is possible just say if i was the last time you pitch remnant 'cause i tried to write something or some questions ever reading anything new and in fact she wrote me no or or the department wrote me a note saying you know there's no point in renewing you're contracts with a contract with meaningless didn't make any difference the contracts would say we're today paint you count with us when didn't have account and within the some of one hundred dollars in return for which you know in the news at this non construction so even a reasonable way to say were not we don't see how what what it did is it took away health insurance and i've been there for forty years and i had child so then i went off and taught but so that wasn't me attacking the hand the fed me that was me pride is ben myself against this accusation that i had brought the new yorker down with a piece it nobody particularly reacted to so that one what do you think their version of that story there but well for instance one of the things was there came a point when britain this piece about gordon liddy in the show and really liked it and said run some and then suddenly it was unscheduled and i said mr john is this just rescheduling orders the peace or dead which would never ask him he said you know this is never happened in the missed the history of the magazine he said we had such an uprising against that piece that we can't run it so there i know what they thought because mcgrath said she became infatuated with gordon liddy so i you know they just didn't like it so you're you're you're i understand you're assumption is that the the problem with you in new yorker from the new yorker side was what you're work at possibly with this public persona that they're began debating because it didn't cause it was a secret slumming with the new yorker always i think maintenance so you think perhaps as you start to accumulate some fame yeah which was related to taking that critics job at the property completely dependent on there is no other there is no other and that's not what we did but then also the fiction department rejected every piece of fiction i road we swim mr sean hannity my fiction when it got through did you like being famous see why some famous i wasn't famous i was only famous within that new yorker sense okay well did you like being famous with the new yorker sense yeah yeah but one thing it's a lot safer super the more safer than being a certain kind of person who is not like another kind of person and that kind of person doesn't like they're gonna get rid of them whether they're famous or not and it suddenly became clear to me in retrospect the bat i mean there's still people i love at the new yorker there's still people i liked the people i don't like who didn't like me because of my feelings were whatever would have various feelings about the new yorker but there's a certain kind of person where where do you met in a former life or not it's likely the think of another kind of person know just just whatever i can do darned this person in the target is not likely you know but over time it kind of shows it's okay that's the new yorker okay the times we certainly i mean it had gone from arthur an aide to alas joel well emails who i think was disaster just doesn't me i like him personally and everything's a terrible i you know it just wasn't very good paper anymore still the best paper we have only paper we have foot okay but certainly wasn't the end if that means the handle sent me a generation before do you feel a part of that world now which that world in which you were famous no but doesn't exist anymore it's a different world anyhow a lot of its remnants of it's still exist so this is this is different in this is it's an interesting question you know it's it's funny pat and a half and after the benign neglect thing which if you take it out of context know what's wrong with an and he what he was saying was absolutely right she in the wilderness for a long time and people just they don't like that it doesn't depend on what you say sometimes they spotted in a minute because there is no threat about me i mean there's in my presence is there much of a sense of threat no are you saying that because i'm hoping you won't say yes but i mean i don't think knowing me to be honest that was part of what i was once we start talking on the own trial set this up as part of it are so interested in was on the page you're very threatening yes i could see i could see that in a way but see my is that threatening i mean that's you know that because of that the thing i'm gonna ask you about which is that you're willing to say things that other people are willing to say they're willing to talk about over drink yes but they're not willing to put it in a book or put it in the new york review of books or wherever like you were willing to say things that other people were willing to say which is bizarre why why would you say things and other people say well for one thing because you just assume say something new if you're writing you'd rather say something different from what's already been said by the way why say it if you're gonna say exactly what everybody else as then it's already been said she did not it's not a setback but it's already been said and so there's no it's not very inspiring or it just why why would do but i realize that sounds very superficial and i don't quite get it myself and it was a pretty long exile assuming that it ended now which hasn't props done you don't feel like you're a you're back in the fold everyone that i've told that are gonna get a get a opportunity tawdry pretty excited that softly nice and it's been i mean i've met some of the nicest brightest i mean most wonderful people i've ever met had been through these reprints and that's that's just that's just so lucky 'cause all of that is such a raffle anyway but something that can help noticing is i can't get a job you try always it's the way i can't get department i mean i always use the get apartments they just sort of fill me and i used to get jobs base or be fail me but they're very few but i think it's also something i'm not good at getting jobs yeah well what's the job you want now i like teach so i like university affiliation end they you know a lot of universities have old people hanging around in the cold weather writers and residents there called professor this article professor that what do you wanna be writing writing is another matter i mean that is i most want to write and i want to be in a place where i can write in and so i look at these memoirs like mr berman who got me my job and other memoirs and quite often there's he goes to somebody's house and he lives there while he's writing right and so during the day you know every the food comes in everybody takes care of him all day and only does he shows up per supper and then there are other people i think updike used to a hotel to tell us a lot just right in that i needed placed placed right and then i'd like to do it if i can i mean their pieces there things i wanna do now like what well i had finished a novel before this reprint thing happened i thought i'd finished but you know when does it end is always a question so now i'd like to producing about that when you get on a plane with a bunch of used refrigerators yeah when you publish when you know you have to publish something is is fairly urge not because writer's block would cause of publishers block you're suddenly in a position of such danger if you don't publishing did you have writer's block when you're in exile well you know i i wrote some things but i did yeah but i've run things but not a lot of things but what would happen is people which sort of except in and suddenly say hey what am i doing in oh really yeah so i mean i couldn't help those in it that's when another collection features medical canaries in the mineshaft years ago the peace and there were from harper's atlantic 'em new republics public new york review of books new yorker not one place reason which is i mean it's not it's not and then lightning it's not a great insight or anything but it's a little odd i mean there's this book under attack from everybody and namely the times sword with liquid this latest collection 'cause i feel like most of what i saw was pretty funny it's been so nice i have no if i if i'm complaining and whining year no no that's i mean i've been so lucky no no this is great has been fun yeah this is nice but i do think you know maybe it's time to to to write something where teacher do something and not just sort of light around and just die now i mean but why not come on why not well i don't bring bring that why not and you know no no doubt about that why not no no no what i mean is you can say oh alas i'm now only ninety seven years old and it will ready you know i find i can't can't lift the weights i used to it's just so the novel is one thing but have you thought about what kind of nonfiction you would yes she she end there was a piece is a piece that i worked on for months and months and months what i was gonna including this collection and there would be this piece why didn't because i kept missing the deadline and then there was one more deadline and i said you know maybe it isn't time to read and write this piece but i regretted i wish i'd put it in there we could put it on long for you wanna maybe should i should i look at it again wouldn't it be funny yeah but you see it would have been secure in the book we've been very funny in the book because let me forget in and then just depending on what it looks like 'cause i worked on it very hard and very long as no i was still a person who could do overnight so i would do over niger's and then we get worse and we'd better but it says if you're a person of the night yes i just thought we can't have this hypochondria about day and night anymore this piece has to go in and then i didn't but it is interesting wouldn't be funny if it resulted in a piece this week yeah why don't you let us a bunch of those put it up okay well maybe that's a look at again and if it looks at all presentable all tried to fix it in and see what we can do it because it's it's something that i'd really like to say they're not affect you a very much taking all this time well thank you thank you this is it this is really pretty good of you in this is great but you're very good about this stuff well hey thanks when that we couldn't see each other in real life short forgetting he thinks okay thanks okay wasn't that long look at the but but you didn't get where you want it to go talk too much going to go somewhere we didn't get there we got exactly what we got we got exactly okay it's max where beck including nineteen quite a blog for you despite a week seven months of 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11/30/2020 - The lack of trust in the election system has led more and more people to be skeptical about the results.

The Mark Belling Show

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11/30/2020 - The lack of trust in the election system has led more and more people to be skeptical about the results.

"That's a fact. Not credit card purchases. Give me cash cash fat. No one else gets these rewards. What intern nation sir penn fitzpatrick fitzpatrick ward isn't just for military members. Anyone can get cash back on all purchases. You've ruined my favorite song and fed credit. Union visit penn fed dot org slash power cash to receive any advertise product. You must become a member of pen. Fed insured by ncua. join after milwaukee. This is the mark belling late afternoon. Show all. I'm used like eleven thirty w i said there are just many stories that have happened here in twenty twenty but you have to sit back and think about how astonishing they are. There are so many things that are happening right now. You've got to sit back from think about how was started. Sheikh they are. It's hard even if you're kawashima. Rational don't think emotionally think with your brain and not think with your heart to sit back and still process all now. I talk all the time about the worst. Decisions are made by people who think emotionally there are. Many people are doing that. A lot of trump supporters thinking emotionally refusing to accept the fact that trump lost by what. That's the accusation that's being hurled at them but is it all of ocean. Here's where i'm going with all of this. We have a total crisis in america. Right now of trust in anyone or anything because the people we are supposed to trust had been caught lying to us again and again and again and we know that they are keeping things from us. That's not the rantings of a conspiratorial est wacko simply reporting on new stories. That we already know exist there all these polls on it this. You know the way paul questions ask had influenced the result but they show incredible skepticism to the point of disbelief from republicans in the united states about the results of the election and interestingly that number is growing. It's not going down. Writers and ipsos did a poll about a week after the election and it showed the overwhelming majority of republicans accepted the trump lost. But that whole last week edits refers. The writers poll taken last week shows that fifty two percent of republicans think trump rightfully won the election. Now remember the way questions are worded when you ask who won the election. Some people may say biden even though they think biden may have stolen it. but what would they put in. The term rightfully won the election. The support for trump among republican grows another poll conducted by politico and the board in concert. Seventy percent of republicans don't believe the election was free and fair to use the term. They used monmouth university. Conducted a poll seventy seven percent of trump's supporters. That's three and four. Believed that biden's victories because of fraud. The tide of us conducted a poll. Eighty percent of trump's supporters. Believe the fraud change the outcome nationally. Those are huge numbers of people who do not believe that the election that we just held president of the united states is legitimate. The los angeles times big story over this a few days ago. It's been a few days. Since i was here so i can go back and catch some of this stuff. The la times did a big story. Which i'm going to quit. The pair of these findings may boggled the minds of eddie what it was closely followed hapless campaign to reverse the outcome of the election in court in other words. The la type say. This is mind boggling that somebody of trump's supporters don't understand the trump lost. There are people who wanna market ridiculed all those trump supporters say. They're delusional or they take their lead for trump. Because trump has conceded the election trump talks ominously about fraud. His supporters automatically go and believe. Yep well. I don't think that this topic can be dot. I don't think that it serves any particular purpose for people to make allegations that they don't back up. Sydney powell has talked broadly about a widespread conspiracy with voting machines who dominion dramatic and some others that flipped actual votes and change the count. I am not at a stage right now. After all that i have seen over the last few years to rule out anything so i'm not ruling that out but i grant you that. She has come up with nothing that i've seen to prove that those are two different things. There's a lot of things that may have happened. that i can either prove or disprove four years ago. I felt that the allegations of trump collusion with the russians were hyped up. But i couldn't prove it i can. Now they were hyped up. We even know that right around this time. For years ago in that gap between obama leaving office and trump being awarded that at the highest levels of the government of united states have meeting that included biden and obama. They got together and plotted how to go. After general fled to keep alive. The russia collusion investigation. We know that their transcripts of these meetings. They're out there four years ago. I didn't have those transcripts for years ago. Anybody who was suggesting that the fbi the cia and the pfizer court with their warrants. But they're all acting on nothing and it was just that attempt to frame trump. they would have said well. You heard delusional euro wacko. You're out accepting reality. You're off your rocker. The same thing they're saying about the trump supporters who disbelieved the election results now. This is where. I talk about a crisis in trust in this country. The crisis is is isn't because you've got half the country republicans that followed off their rocker and don't believe anything the crisis entrust is because we've been betrayed again and again and again by a bunch of liars and we have no confidence that the media will go out there and expose eddie of it instead when anyone dares to try to ask any questions the media suppresses it try to fight any of the stuff at any search engine anymore. It's just taken down now. As i said people can blow smoke up your reread on both sides. I bet around logged at which. I've seen nothing but smoke. Blow it up my rear end my ears. My eyeballs my both forever and it comes in both sides. The difference of course is when rightwing spoke blowed up the media and everybody else calls you left wing. Smokers blowed up. It's allowed to lay out there as truth with regard to the election results. I've tried to differentiate on terms first of all there are significant irregularities in this election. That's just true in anybody. Who says that. I have a crackpot for saying that does not understand the word a meeting of the word. Irregularities there are there are results in this election that are by definition irregular. Know what has yet. Credibly explained the remarkable increase in voter participation from sixteen to twenty other than to say while we had mail in ballots. That made it easier. That's the only explanation that's been offered for it. The only one the reason that that particular number is something that i still consider a significant. Irregularity is and i'll use the football analogy to explain this when you see. A significant percentage growth often already high number. That's remarkable for football team. Winds five games while year. It's real easy for them. Percentage widzew improve their record to go from five from five wins. Two eight wins is the thirty eight percent increase in your victory. Total actually sixty percent three of the five to significant increase but to go from fourteen to fifteen wins in other words the go fourteen to fifteen and one. That's very very slight in terms of percentage. The voter turnout. Twenty-six was very high. It usually is it. Presidential year's presidential elections are the ones that bring out a lot of the people who never voted in any other election wisconsin. We're lucky if we can get over a million people to vote in the supreme court election presidential election will push to halford three billion here in twenty twenty three point four million. Donald trump got way more votes in wisconsin. Twenty that he did in sixteen yet he wanted sixteen lost and twenty because the biden numbers were explosively higher than hillary clinton's numbers. That's an irregularity. Maybe it could be played but nobody's explained it surf you saying it could be innocent. Well then explain it instead when anyone dares question or challenge says we should look into anything. They're shutdown they're told to go away. Trump is still fighting for signature verification georgia. Why can't we do it. What's that i do understand. There's all these terms thrown around. And nobody ever explains any of their betty bar. It's like turning on tv and watching horse racing. What are the networks now of the fox sports program through a pretty good job of explaining it to the point that they alienate actual horse racing fans. Because they're considering they're tried to be too elementary with it. But you've got all this jargon voter fraud. And i'm not sure that everybody understands what it is. We have not done any signature. Verification here on wisconsin when people registered to vote. They signed their name and when people vote. They signed their name. Now you everybody signs their name the same way every time but most people are pretty close. What of the checks that you can use to try to determine if the person who is casting the vote is the actual voter is to try to verify their signature. It's not a perfect foolproof method but handwriting expert testimony has allowed numerous court cases. We have seen when there was vote fraud in the past people. Were asking the acting like we've never had both front of the united states. We've had both fraud of this country since as long as a country. The story for heaven sakes louisiana just three anything of politics in louisiana edwin edwards. Go back to huey long. It still at elections down there forever. Texas lyndon johnson never would have been elected to public office. Were it not for fraud much. That's made it all the way to. The presidency of the united states is biographers have written about it little why stories and legendary about the vote fraud that occurred in illinois directing like this is like we've never had both fraud in the united states and suddenly donald trump is investigating twenty twenty. There are many people who are attributing the increase in the number of votes especially in swing states. And i think that's interesting to you have not seen the same dramatic increase in the number of votes cast in non battleground states. Now grant you. The battleground states had way more campaigning way in them and therefore maybe more people were provoked vote but remember even in the non battleground states. They have all these other elections up and down the ballot for state house in their local sheriff. At some cases the governor united states said it. It's not like they had nothing on the ballot. There are some people who believe that one of the reasons why we've seen a significant increase in the actual voter turnout is that there were a number of votes. That were cast fraudulently again. Can i prove that right now. No and i had bet that there are some people out there saying they can prove it. They're blowing smoke aviv. Provable the do it the other hand. It's not my job to improve any of these things. I'm not an election. Investigator talk show host sitting on my can here in milwaukee with the people who are at a position to be safeguarded election should be tried to get to the bottom of some of the stuff and they're not and anybody who asks them to do so is being called a crackpot a conspiratorial as the wacko. A sore loser. It's so odd. What if the ways. You can try to determine if vote fraud occurred in terms of inflated in terms of people voting on behalf of someone else this start going and doing signature verification. You can do it when the person signs the ballot by the ballot book in person or the absentee ballot. If that's how they voted this time via in person or via the mail. They signed that envelope. You can go and try to match that signature to their registration. If it doesn't match its reason to think somebody other than the voter cast that vote. If they all match well they all match so much for that fraud. What's get nowhere waited. Some of us would like to see somebody do that. I have suggested repeatedly that. I would like to see someone take on a project. And it's cumbersome and laborious of grab it's gotta be a large number fifty thousand people who you know are no longer able to vote in. Wisconsin died moved out of the country permanently incapacitated mentally and check and see whether or not they voted to go up one by one and takes forever. No one has attempted to do this. The only people who are attempting to do it or people just come up with this idea on their own and one guy in his own going to be able to check at a day. Seventy five and get bored. If the i seventy five check no hits come up. Do i think we had of the twenty thousand votes. That biden beat trump by in wisconsin. Do i think that some of those votes are cast by people who are dead or have moved. Yes i do. Can you prove that no. I've not gone through one million. Six hundred thirty thousand joe biden votes attract all of them back to see whether or not any of them are dead. Furthermore you can't go and see how somebody actually voted. You could only see if the person did vote. The reason i think this is dead. People vote in every election. The only question is how many is it for the hall state. Where is it forty thousand. Remember i worked in a state for five years for dead. People voted all the time. I worked in for five years. This is at a recent story. Little all you can vote until you're about one hundred and seventy five year die. They didn't take your name off the ballots because the chicago democratic machine would keep you on there so that they'd be able to come up with all these votes. Let me tell you soy it again. I killed his story now. It's old and that's why. I tell it because i'm telling you that this stuff has happened edits but going on forever. There was a very close election that i covered in illinois at. I hate to even say the year because it makes it sound. Like i'm this is th ouza to the talk show here. It was nineteen eighty two. I got a very young started. The whole thing nine hundred eighty two was a giant democratic year at the united states. The first off your ever president almost always is for the other party. Reagan was elected in eighty and eighty two therefore was a huge democratic year in the same way the two thousand ten the first off. Your of obama was a huge republican. Year goes on all the time. There are a lot of reasons for it. Usually the first two years of presidential administration are bad for the country because the president usually gets all the crap out of the way and tries to have an economy strong by the time his term ends in four years a lot of other factors through it. And it's pretty much held for republican and democratic presidents. As i mentioned reagan be carter in one thousand nine hundred and won a landslide. Reelection eighty four but in between at eighty two the democrats what everything america there was a republican governor of illinois served forever. This is in the middle of his. Rod is name which jim thomson. The funny thing is serving governor in illinois history and the luggage serving governor wisconsin history of both named thompson. and they're both kind of overlapping with what another the a little thomson came in first but it was only a matter of a few years. Jim thompson is the government. I was down there. His are former clubbed former united states attorney republican from chicago through a lot of the democratic crooked chicago in prison. That's the way made a name for himself. Got himself elected governor seventy eight. He's running for reelection at eighty two. The democrats put up a very big name candidate. I know that the sounds like you're going to start the stories boy. No it's not going to be bored. I wouldn't tell it if i do it advance. It was buoyed. Turn out to be boring. But i don't think it is and i'm telling it because i want people to understand that. This idea of election fraud suddenly happening. Now it's not like it would be the first time in american that there was crooked this going audited election result. I mean read some biographies of andrew jackson for heaven's sakes who get the whole big about it'd be bradford behaves getting himself. Elected president did ballots being thrown out because of fraud the democratic candidate. One of the few times. This actually happened. A sitting member of the united states. Senate ran for governor. It's usually the other way around the governors of run for the senate. Jim thompson was the incumbent. Republican governor and stevenson who is a member of the senate the set of the ad lie stevenson who ran for president in fifty two and fifty six. The democratic candidate for president fifty to fifty six also named adelaide stevenson. This is his son and his son was the current event state senator from illinois and he decides to run for governor so you've got arguably the most famous democrat in the state running against the stamos republican in the state. The city governor and it was a democratic year but thomson. The republican was the cupboard. Still remember that election night. I covered the campaign was a great campaign to cover as back in the days of you still had people pounded the tampa. Get on the pavement and going out and doing campaign to get everybody knew it was gonna be close in an illinois getting yourself. Elected governor then was huge because you control the entire state bureaucracy. And as i said stevenson stevenson reputation of being squeaky clean and thomson tried to cultivate that reputation being sneaky clean big and former federal prosecutor. But they're right it against one another a state that's just in terms of its politics. Corrupt the votes come in a little geographically as huge state people. Unless you look at a map do not understand how far south you can go at. It just keeps going and going and going and go in and go on and go and go the northeastern corner of the state. The chicago area's overwhelmingly democratic back. Then the rest of the state was overwhelmingly republican votes. Coming in from all these nooks and crannies and they were coming in really slow. They often come in slow incorrupt states and there was a long long long long history in chicago of chicago sitting at a number of precincts not reporting them until the very end again. This is nothing. New books have been written about this. It's not like i'm make it up a conspiracy theory here. The chicago pals remember that they had all this stash a photo votes dead. People were voting in so odd that they would wait until virtually all of the results were and so if the election was close figure out how many they needed to win and get over the top the following story. I do not have firsthand. But i've heard it enough times from enough people that are in positions to know that i believe to be true. This is an election. That was not decided for three days. It was that close between thomson. Stevenson as the story goes i was told that stevens said the democratic candidate who was slightly behind jim thomson was approached by chicago. Democratic bosses eddie was asked how badly he wanted to be governor and they told them we can make the governor and stevenson said. No i'm not gonna win it that way. In other words. He told the chicago bosses that he did not want them to steal the election for him and the at remember the exact march but i know what was extremely close. It was millions of votes cast. Add it was just a few thousand that separate the two of them stevenson said no. I didn't wanna win that way. The stevenson his father was considered a clean politician. A lot of democrats thought that stevenson was dilettante himself because he wouldn't get his feet dirty and he didn't care about democratic causes that he wasn't willing to cheat the old nascar saying if you ain't cheating and try well that's how a lot of democrats forever have felt that if you care enough about winning this and it's to this day. Democrats rash allies all of the dirty stuff that goes on. They believed that they're on the right side of these policy decisions and therefore the tactics that they're willing to engage in even feel legal Price that you have to pay if you actually care about doing the right thing. I'm not suggesting that liberals are the only people who have cheated. We denied black. People the opportunity to vote to unbelievable obstructionism that we would put in place. We didn't even let women vote for the first one. Hundred years of the country beyond that social wasn't passed until the nineteen hundreds in any event. Stevens is said. No tom was reelected by a few thousand votes. You'll go back and talk to the people covered politics in illinois and were deeply involved in the things in the back in the early eighties. Ed it's me. I'm the only person heard about this. This was widely heard about widely thought about and widely known and not surprising to anyone who is familiar with how the chicago democratic machine operated. If they couldn't steal an election it was only because the other candidate won by so much that they couldn't manufacture enough votes. Jane burn got elected mayor in the seventies here on washington one of the eighties. There are many people who think that washington one because he's people were better at stealing votes than the old democratic machine was stealing votes so fast forward to now this notion that why there's no phone fr- guillaume break frauds going on effort in this country. The question is how widespread is it and generally speaking. Even i acknowledge that vote. Fraud can only really matter in a close election. Barry goldwater wasn't going to steal the nineteen sixty four election against linda. Judson mcgovern could not have stolen the seventy two election against nixon. The lost by landslides narrow elections. Were a few thousand votes out of several million cast. Yes it can happen and here in twenty twenty. We've never run any election with fewer safeguards. I would say in contemporary history. I will go all the way back to the eighteen. Hundreds we had the united states and for that matter and wisconsin millions of people voting by stick a piece of paper in an envelope and mailing it off and we sit here and trust that in every case the person mailing ballot was the actual legitimate voter. Just trust that none of these votes were cast by somebody who filled out the paper and claimed that they were somebody else to say that nobody cheated. The election is unbelievably idiotic. The only argument is how betty you have improved any. I didn't say anything. Like i said i'm just talk. Show host sitting on my butter improved anything but nobody has proved to be that this result was legitimate either and nobody has attempted to take seriously anybody who has pointed to the signs that some things may be a mess. The most innocent explanation is this by having mail in balloting bunch of people otherwise for too lazy to vote voted and what are the things that mail in balloting can facilitate is. Somebody goes and grabs a stack of three hundred ballots and goes up to a bunch of people who are too lazy to vote. And say hey here. Here's your ballot. Sign your name philip. And let's mail. It actually is legal. Somebody puts a ballot in front of me. I go to the actual process of doing a mail in ballot said it in. Its legal it. If i'm somebody who wasn't otherwise intending to vote that would be a way of increasing. The voter turnout. It's also very very possible to say. Hey here's a ballot. You might've by philadelphia. Here's twenty bucks. that's illegal. Did any of that go audited. The person sign will. Nobody's they'd do it. Do i think things like this. Happy side go how much i don't know but the point that i would make about the number of republicans who do not trust this process is they. Don't believe that if there was any fraud that anybody other than donald trump is gonna try to prove it fatal it any elected officials eddie police or anyone else is going to look at any of the things that are suspicious in this election in many of the communities in battleground states that had close vote tallies counting all these mail in ballots. It happened in philadelphia. It happened all over michigan and we saw it happen. Wisconsin republican observers complained again to get it again and again and again that they were being kept too far away to properly observed the vote. Counting if you're not doing anything that's not on the up and up. Why are you keeping the observers. Offered a quarter. What does it mean again proved that they were doing something if no it doesn't i'm part of glee clubs booster club and the treasure watched the counter buddy and i say hey i want to watch accountability and the perjurers is no you stand over there and the quarter. It doesn't mean he stealing body. But i know if i was watching him he wouldn't get away with stealing the body and i wonder why semi off of the corner again. It's not proof but it's a reason to be suspicious and concerned everything that happened in two thousand twenty twenty with covid serve the purposes of democrats. It allows them to move us in. Many states would almost totally male any election in wisconsin. It allowed corrupt public officials in madison elsewhere to tell voters to describe themselves as indefinitely confined even though they are not which allowed the wholesale bailing out of ballots. That people who didn't need to have that mailed out to them than the concerns that some have going voting in public create a scenario for a male any election but doesn't give you the same safeguards that occur when a person s to show up in person. Present themselves to it election official. Show what idea and say. Hey this is me. Give me the ballot and then market. They're in the same room as the election. Officials are and then give a twitter election officials who seals the envelope than we actually started observing the vote count where people are opening these advocates ups and putting them in once again. Cova decided to keep the observers ninety seven. Oh you can't stand here at observe. I get cove it from you. How convenient if there was widespread fraud in this election. I believe it is likelier to have occurred via ballots that were set in via the mail and ballot harvesting rather than anyone flipping any switch out of dominion voting machine. Why because the first type of fraud. That i've been citing has been going on forever like i say go back illinois. Go back to louisiana. Go back to the eighteen. Hundreds forever and ever and ever dubious suspicious ballots have been showing up at getting themselves into the coding process. This is not to say that voting machines couldn't be hacked of the software program could be put into it. If you've been paying attention to the news stuff is hacked all the time. Some of the most important financial companies in the world have had their high tech security systems hacked. You're telling me that you think it's implausible that some voting system run by a bunch of bureaucrats detroit couldn't be hacked. Come on but as i said. I think it is far likelier that if there was fraud. It was the type that i describe the flipping of switches on voting machines at. I grant you that. What is presented any proof that anything happened. Inappropriate with these dominion voting machines. What there is are a lot of statements of people that could have happened and what there is is a lot of people who are able to connect the highest ranking individuals with the make did with democratic party politics marxist politics there are sorace connections all over dominion and the companies that it has an arm's length relationship with what if the things that leads to this. You bay ask. Well how did this company dominion mean you never get into the voting machine business in the first place it. Why would add a republican have sat by. It allowed their community to use a dominion machine. While i'll explain that you heard about the fox guarding the hen house. We don't have the republican siberian at fox guarding the hen houses. It's not that our people aren't on the take usually no we have the security guard. That's fallen asleep while the guys breaking into the garage. If you live at community the contractor with dominion provide your voting system. It's because your local officials were asleep at the switch and you local. Republican party officials weren't paying any attention to who this company is to being the only company that sells voting systems. You didn't have to use them. You could also ask yourself why. Venezuela investors the soros operations and others got involved in the voting machine. Business why they decide to get involved with that. You wouldn't think that that would be the most lucrative type of operation. It's not like they're getting into tesla the electric cars again. This doesn't mean that anything fraudulent occurred. But it's one more thing that leads people to raise eyebrows and to be told you you should look into this. I just want you to the following. Imagine the following. Imagine follow it. And i'm now going to humor myself because the following is humorous to imagine it. I want you to imagine that trump won a narrow election. I want you to imagine that. Over the last few years in a number of republican strongholds in the united states a voting machine company whose shareholders are donald trump. Junior rudy giuliani shel adelson the guy from the venetian in las vegas and a few others. Where the owners of the company and that company had been involved in the election irregularities that were discovered when they use their voting systems in israel and at a number of those communities here at the united states for those voting systems are used. The trump voting numbers were forty percent higher than trump got four years ago. You'd think eddie. Democrats said hey. Let's look at these voting systems that were put on by bought by all these truck piece. Do you think that would they would just the not ask any questions. You'd be reporting this. You'd think that they'd be going quietly in the night. Gaby a break there. Is it aroma. Coming off the whole thing. But as i say just because you smell something doesn't mean that there's a skunk in the room and i graduate. Nobody's found the skunk on the other hand other that sydney powell and a couple of other people. Nobody's trying to discount the told dot look for the scout but i smell a skunk. You didn't find the scott gets go away. We'll let me look no says and the longer they tell people that you can't look at this the logger that they refused to have an actual proper recount. The logger that you take not pursuing legitimate irregularities in questions that have occurred. it's let's use the example in milwaukee. Do i think that there was fraud associated with this. No i don't but say hello. But irregularity milwaukee has this central count. Which as i say never have been allowed to occur and it was allowed to occur because republicans election officials were asleep at the switch. They come up with all of this stuff. Boats should be processed at the polling place. Even madison was able to do that. Milwaukee has central cow or all of the absentee ballots are counted in a central location. When you process the ballots at the polling place that election day you have observers that every polling place and they're put the machines in the same way that all the other ballots are put in harder to do shenanigans. They downloaded all of the results. From the various ballots that were cast and counted and downloaded the results of put about a flash drive. The flash drive was then taken for milwaukee central to the milwaukee county election commission. The person taking them from central count to milwaukee county election commission is claire woodall. Vogg who is the head of the milwaukee city election commission. She's on her way over there and she realizes she doesn't have one of the flash drives. She left it sitting in a computer. She left it sitting in a computer. No again just to indulge myself. I want you to a badgered. The donald trump one wisconsin by a few thousand votes and in some republican stronghold. Were trump had done extremely well. What are the flash drives was left handed sitting in a computer while the election official is driving around and offers. The i forgot it. Are you telling nobody be asking any questions about this. Of course would either. I've asked i've read the stories. I've asked the question i believe. Claire woodall bob just left the thing in the computer. It's the middle of the night. She forgot it. Do i think that forgetting to take a flash drive. That's one of seven. The a half of the entire central count. The largest city in the state is an acceptable explanation. No i don't. But i think it's probably what happened and i don't have any proof that it was anything else. Do i have any proof that somebody while the thing was sitting in the machine wet and tampered with it. no do. I think it's possible that could have happened. Yes they get slightly. No possible is something again. The people have the legitimate right. Ask questions about edits another thing. That should not have happened from the beginning. Every decision that was made in this state in twenty. Twenty benefited. the democrats the wisconsin election commission which has three republicans and three democrats audit and a leftist staff. The three republicans were asleep at the switch all year. Eventually bob's mundell got in there. And bob wasn't sleeping but the other two were. When we had the state supreme court election in april we allowed a wholesale changing of the rules to allow people to vote via the mail because we were told it was that safe to vote during a period of covid and they were able to use that excuse to allow the democrats to get around every election. Rule that we've ever had in this state for the entire year. We finally passed the law. that was up to l. By the courts that stated that absentee in person balloting can only occur at the two weeks preceding the election. The democrats were allowed to get around this by doing ballot harvesting in the period prior to that. So what they did is they had the madison city election commission and others hold events in the madison parks before that two week window and have people show up and turn in ballots that they had already filled out claiming that that is not actual impersonal balloting. That is barely absentee balloting. That people did at home. All they're doing here is dropping them off rather than voting distinction without a difference and something they completely got around the change that we made state law again. It was a change. Coburg used as as an excuse. The totally benefited the democrats. One hundred ninety thousand votes were cast that way to staggeringly high number. The republicans on the state election commission never lifted a finger to try to stop that activity from occurring. They should have been suing. They should have been obstructing. Fish should have been claiming that the staff that was making affirmative statements that this was legal. We're acting corruptly were this reverse. And republicans were voting weeks before the election and democrats had a wait until the two weeks before the democrats never would put up with it. Oh that's just. Drop off a zillion ballots at park. Let's let anytime dicker harry. Just come in with ballots and claim that these were cast by the actual legitimate voter. And let's give them to election official admits. Tell everybody that this is all on the up. That all happened was illegal. Evidently because nobody on my side pride to stop it from happening the republican leader of the election commission. Dean connotes took a saban x. pill january first that he hasn't awakened yet robin boss. The republican assembly speaker who appointed him. Who doesn't much like trump has been perfectly fine with this acquiesce in non representation of republican side by the republicans on the election commission who wouldn't fight to save their own lives much less the presidency of president trump. Our side bought brought toothpicks fight. I'm the larger point of whether or not there was fraud in wisconsin or elsewhere. Do i think the responded michigan apps lonely. But if you ask me at eddie election if i thought there was fraud in michigan absolutely what is detroit dot at fraud of the election philadelphia. What if they had fraud for heaven's sakes philadelphia is the same seti probe years ago. The black panthers were standing at polling places stopping republicans in voting their carry. God's i just made up eric. Holder's justice department refused refused to break. Eddie prosecution there you may recall. The pennsylvania narrowly went for obama that election in two thousand eight. Do i think it's possible that things were amiss when philadelphia produced. What wh- in the absentee ballot count on. What what a biden. Get a hundred and three percent of the vote. The numbers were again off the charts. Was it enough to change the result. I don't know the end result in. Pennsylvania biden one. It wasn't real close actually. Maybe the fraudulent ballots weren't even needed. I don't know but you. I think that there was some fraud. Yes of course. I think there was some fraud. I think that we've had fraud elections forever. And ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and suddenly claim that any republic talks about is the bligh all of the american history that has been written prior to this point in which authors journalists politicians people have. Gone to prison for heaven's sakes for election fraud of this country has suddenly. We didn't have eddie. And twenty twenty where we had all of these unusual irregularities and when we changed the rules in many states to make fraud so easy via the mail in balloting and so odd and then suggests that eddie republican thing that this election was illegitimate it from donald. Trump is a not not not. If you think that it was on the other hand. I grad at this point. You lack proof lacking proof now does it mean won't eventually have it. Four years ago. I would have lacked proof that michael flynn was framed and now so if i suspected it for years ago i wasn't off base suspecting it so if you suspect fraud this election now but you can't prove it it doesn't mean you're off base if you say you could prove it when you can't then you are off base and i grant you. Some may have gone too far in saying that they can prove something at this stage news. Thirty w i s and mark online late afternoon show. I want to go back and again. Because i'm talking about. The potential of election fraud have occurred here in twenty twenty and how some of us tried to warn you all year that we were making it easy for it to occur. What are the problems of biocide goes back to the point i make bringing toothpicks to a sword fight. Is they often wait to address something. That's wrong until after the wrong. Actually until it's too late and there is a lot of naievety on my side. I wanna talk about the voter purge list which has been discussed at some length. But as i say it sounds complicated to people that sometimes goes in one ear out the other but if there was fraud in the election wisconsin. I believe that this is not some sort of flipping. A switch of dominion machines is one of the ways in which it was done. We have a law and wisconsin that. If somebody hasn't voted in several years you send a postcard and say hey. Are you still there if they don't respond you purge their name from the list. It's the law. You purge the name of the list. No harm no fall for reasonable. Explain but that's how you do it when someone has it. Who is who had voted but hasn't voted in a while doesn't vote. The biggest reason is because they died when someone dies nobody. Proactively takes their name off the voter rolls. The just add there like is if someone moves now not somebody well known like baby but just imagine that you got the guy who lives down the street couple of years ago. He moved oklahoma city. I doubt before he left. He called the city clerk in the city that he lives in and says. Hey i'm moving. Oklahoma city some people do and sometimes you move within the state the nuclear contacts the old clerk councils out your old registration but it often doesn't get dodd. Big is college students. College students can vote in either their permanent community or where they go to college. The law allows them to do either in some mitch match. Somebody may be on the voter rolls. Let's just grab a college. They go to well claire. There are the voter rolls declare. They graduate they move on. Let somebody says something about it. Their names still on the voter rolls in claire for two three years. So what you do as you said on a guy. People haven't voted in a certain period of time. And if they don't respond the post guide you take their name off the voter roll earlier. This year the wisconsin election commission staff recommended instead of doing the annual purge should do it only every two years. They presented this recommendation to the commission itself which again has three republicans three democrats. The three republican sold out republican voters by accepting this recommendation from the staff again focused on dean connotes in who is the former chairman of the commission. And a republican. He voted for the switching for the one year to year. There is no legitimate reason not to do the annual purge other than the clerks claim. Well too busy to send out all these postcards. I'm not saying that city clerks. The laziest people in the state of wisconsin. I'm saying some of your city and village. Clerks are among the laziest people in the state of wisconsin. If you can't do all the work assigned for the job don't apply for it or don't run for it some of the worst. There's some of these time clerks. Who is though. They're doing you favor when they allow you to early person. Vote the absentee as opposed to them doing the job that they signed up for nonetheless. How about the other is that. I could think of that. You could try to have the staff klay. Wow we can't do the perjury every twelve months. We're gonna do it every twenty four months. It's just too much work for these clerks. What all of this was that number of names. That probably should have been taken off. The voter rolls were not. Let's imagine you're a cheat and you want to cheat via voting how 'bout claiming that you're what are the people that should have been taken off the list because you moved or died said in a ballot in that person's name set in via the mail inside his day. Get your buddy. Decide the witness signature or just change your handwriting and you sign the witnesses said it in. Nobody's gonna check that you can go back after the fact and try to check it takes forever because you can only do it one by. What do i think that happened. Yes do i think i happen to if it happened in large enough number to have changed the results the election. I don't know but i think it happened. Yes because again. We change the rule earlier this year to make cheating easier that rule existed because we have a vested interest in every year cleaning. Up the voter rolls at knockoff. People haven't voted in a few years. As i said it's a no harm no foul. Let's imagine i haven't voted to five years. I decided to vote in twenty twenty. We have same day participation. I vote right there. What i voted. What's the difference. Take you be off. The voter rolls doesn't hire me at all. Because you could reregister eddie time you want so if i actually just was too lazy to vote for five years and i'm ready to vote now i could register to vote. I voting again this time. Who's no harm to the voter. You're not disenfranchised szigeti one what you are doing though is cleaning up the raw the people who likely have moved or have died for some reason or not able to vote anymore or take off the list the republicans on the election commission soul this out. The staff of the election commission recommended the change because innocent way they were accepting the widing crying from the dead but lurks around. The state. didn't do the work or be. They wanted to keep a bunch of bad names on the list because democrats who intended to cheat wanted to have all these all names on there so they could cheat. So here's what happened. I could serve. If groped the wisconsin institute for law liberty appalled that the election commission was ignoring the lawsuit. Them the case went to the state supreme court. The court declined to block the action of the election commission on a temporary basis. They would not issue an injunction and instead will hear full arguments next year long after the election is over. The deciding vote was that of hagedorn radically conservative. For the supreme court has routinely voted with liberals ran. Hagedorn is an extremely disappointing member of the wisconsin state supreme court he did not want to issue the injunction that would have changed the rule back to the way it was in the first place in the short term. He said well. We need to have full arguments on this and so odd which of course occurs after the election after it's too late to do anything in the current election hagedorn felt that it was too late this year to change the rules and therefore will shoved onto next year so we reported the staff of the election commission for making this cage and the republican side. The election commission who naively thought. The madison based staff of the election commission was giving them proper advice rather than telling the break. The law allowed this all to occur. The democrats would never be that stupid. They would never change a rule that makes it easier for republicans to steal that election. Let me that. The democrats stole the no but it made it easier if they did to see if they did steal the election arts side made it easier for them to do so. We don't know that any of those people who should have been taken off the broiler folderols had somebody fraudulently vote for them now. But we've got a couple of years to go back and check it out willing to bet if anybody actually took up the cause a and checking all sorts of these names that they'd find a number of people who were either dead or have moved actually magically vote cast for them. Will it be in time to do anything about trump having lost the election though it won't which is the beauty of vote fraud as those crooks in chicago would tell you forever and ever and ever. They throw a few of them in prison two or three years after the fact that the person's already at office so there are a lot of ways in which fraud could have occurred this election and anybody who says that fraud have occurred. The election is not just blowing. Smoke it some people say that they have proof and they don't produce any they can fall on deaf ears. But i'm telling you there's nobody in the media. There's nobody in the fbi. There's nobody at the wisconsin justice department. There's nobody at any police. Department of the state of wisconsin that is looking into this if it was republicans that were widespread accepted. Expect suspected of stealing votes right and left. I'm telling you that every top by the sun would be directed by left east to look into it so what happens here. Is people lose confidence in part because the republicans that are in a position to service our safeguards are often either naive little ladies like marc bosman or slumbering naive sellouts like dean kootz said the republicans in a position to appoint stronger people to these positions like speaker. Robin watts declined to do so that an election like this comes up with all sorts of things that are hard to explain like this massive increase in joe biden votes over the hillary clinton vote. Total people questioned whether or not it is legitimate. And they're told to go away and not ask their questions whereas if we simply would have fought very hard to run an honest to clean and fair election in the first place than facilitate all of the things that made fraud easy. You wouldn't have all of this suspicion about the result this results. Ed valenti segment this lack of confidence. That many people at my side have that we have a fair deal here and when you have a democracy at half the country lacks confidence that the results are fair and honest legitimacy of the entire nation starts to shake the thing that's kept us going forever and ever and ever and ever. Is that people vow. We got a chance to win the election. And if you don't win maybe we'll win next lead if they think the other side just gotta steal elections right and left it. Nobody's gonna do anything about it including some republicans don't like donald trump and figure. Well okay. i'll go back and do by job again. And a few years in the interim you have this crisis of confidence that i think now exists where many republicans simply do not believe the donald trump. Actually lost do. I think donald trump actual. Unless i don't know. I think it's possibly didn't. It's possibility ed. I admit that if i had ninety seven pieces of proof that something amiss happened. I'd share it with the audience. I don't have any other has not my job to find any of that proof. I have a talk show host. As i said earlier the people who are at a position to be investigating any of this have very little interest to doing so it took for example a website to reveal that flash drive was left voting machine in the city. They'll walkie something that even if it was a simple mistake is the type of mistake. Should have been exposed and should have resulted in significant questioning of the election official about it including maybe under oath because this stuff is serious regularities occur. We have a right to ask questions about it and it should be taken seriously by all the left. He's not ask any questions about all these irregularities 'cause they want doesn't give the rest of us a lot of confidence that it was legitimate and i can relate to where they're coming from its eighteen news talk seven thirty. Wins said late afternoon. Show news talk eleven thirty. He w y s live in a world which scampers do just about everything under the sun. Yeah we're told. That novelty tried to do any scamming in this election. That that's just the crazy thing. We're this field with fraud scab. The internet is making it even more widespread cheating and voting that goes on. It goes out in direct proportion to how much somebody is to stop it from happening. You have a credit card. i have to. I don't know i have four. I don't know why. But i have for many do you have you have four. There's no reason to have for it. Just i know. I just see if they give you a deal on a new one for zero percent for two years. He has sign up for it. There's no real reason to cancel the other one that you already have. In fact they tell you that screws up your credit rating if you're canceling card anyway. I have rival reason. I one pays this at another. Pays that anyway. Whatever a purchase purchases made by me. That's just at all like not the norm. Sometimes you're out of state. Sometimes you do a large mail-order order purchase for something or at other all the time. I get an email to the phone call from the credit card company when you detect suspicious activity on your card and you need to contact us to make sure that it's legitimate. Which of course it always is. I've never had my credit card stolen by anybody us to do something inappropriate. Ed i admit i don't always check every item on the bill but we sort of do but it's just there adl. They think if something looks suspicious they'll either flag it. Sometimes they let you and they want you to verify it anyway. Every now and then they'll reject the purchase. Why because credit cards are credit card fraud because all the time so the credit card companies. They don't want to be on the hook for this limit as to what your liability is so somebody gets away with fraud. They don't stop it in the process. The bank that issues the card. They're going to be out that money so they have an interest in having all these people in fraud detection. Look at it all these things. I'm sure these algorithms in place that flag certain purchases in that a human being takes a look at it and reviews it and if they if need be they contact you. Wouldn't it be nice if we talk voting that seriously if there were people in clerks offices that had the same level of diligence. Now i was kinda betting in an extended first hour of the program about the many reasons. Why a lotta people are very suspicious about the results of the election. That we've just gone through. And i also mentioned that one of the areas in which the easiest way to commit fraud the cast a ballot on behalf of someone else who wasn't otherwise going to vote either because they dead or they moved and i also commented on how the normal updating of the purge list we have worry purge names of people who haven't voted in several years with stretched one to two years earlier this year which i think help facilitate fraud if someone wanted to commit fraud every now and then somebody who's moved will check their wisconsin voting record but let's be honest. Hardly anybody does. Let's the badge eight. You moved to wisconsin three years ago from south carolina. Maybe if you're a diligent person. Are you going to go check if south carolina has your voting record online. You get a check to see if you're still registered there and then you go into the history and see if you voted in any recent election. Chances are you're not. We'll because i keep bringing it up a few people have i heard from one of them. I won't share. his name is for. I'll give you first name. That would not reveal that rob. I'll radio really sent to be. Mark moved out stating twenty twelve. I still listen to your show every day. You're containing the discussion of the election and the apparent biden. Victory got beat a wondering. If i was still on the voter rolls. Swine looked at by name on the my vote. Dot w. i dot gov website and i found that i in fact still a registered voter in wisconsin. The last time. I voted in. Wisconsin was before i moved in the recall election twenty twelve so he remembered he moved eight years ago. Still listens to me. I obviously through either iheart or online. He's still a registered voter in wisconsin and he remembers the last time he voted probably because he can tie it to the time when he moved away from the state which was in two thousand twelve and it was after the recall election and then he goes on to say imagine my further surprise to learn that i voted absentee in two thousand sixteen. I didn't cast that vote. So the reason he still the voter rolls twenty-sixth nineteen. He is listed as having voted by absentee a presidential year but obviously happened. Was someone requested absentee ballot in sixteen claiming. They were him and voted in his name. The only reason he's aware of as he went and checked his voting record here in twenty. Now that i brought it up and you can go back and check your individual voting history at. He found that indeed someone claiming to be him voted for years ago. They get forty five days to update all of the voting in this year's election here in wisconsin. Some communities are already done. And you can check now and see if you voted. Milwaukee has done. I believe in i checked mind. It's corrected chose. I voted so summer already done others are not. He says that in the community that he used to live in. They're not done yet but he'll go back after the forty five day window and see whether or not he quote unquote voted or in other words. Somebody voted in his name. This time around. Interestingly the reason his name was never purged is because he voted in sixteen. Now he didn't vote but somebody voted. It said this is the easiest way to commit vote. Fraud is to simply claim. You can even do it before we had photo. Id for voting. Anybody could just show up. And say i'm so and so give me a ballot now that you have photo. Id after mock something up but if you're going to do it through absentee and did it back and sixteen again. Not all that impossible to do which is why. Those of us are interested in clean elections. Have these voter rolls cleaned up. The people that are against cleaning up the voter rolls by larger democrats. Now why would that be not everybody who leaves the front door. Locked wants themselves to be rob but the people that are most they'd arrested and not being robbed locked. Their doors locked. The doors with regard to voting in wisconsin and the democrats are always changing the rules in the big change. This time was mail in voting and then the indefinitely can find all this crap. No when. Kobe goes away if it ever goes away. And there isn't the same need for bail voting. They'll change the argument to who. Why would you wanna throw up. these roadblocks. it's so easy for people to vote. B of the male the republicans are trying to disenfranchise people. And they're going to try to keep all of this. Mass mailing voting permitted if the republicans were the ones that cheated. There's no way the democrats would allow ready to vote for the male and i'm not encouraging republicans to cheat in anyone who cheats without regard to what side they're on should go to prison but everybody on both sides though that the vast majority of cheating is done by the democrats which is why the democrats object to every single attempt we make to make cheating harder and some on the republican side work with them and facilitate them again. This does it mean. The selection of wisconsin was stolen from trump. the margin was twenty thousand. It wasn't twelve but there are reasons to be suspicious. Reasons to be suspicious and proof that there was fraud are separate aids but finding proof of fraud can often take a very long time just as it took a very long time for us to prove but many suspected the general was framed just as it took us a very long time to prove that the steele dossier was a load of crap just as it took us a very long time to prove that the pfizer court judges were lied to in the war that was presented by the fbi took us to find the text messages. Sent back and forth between Peter struck and lisa pay. What was the last thing. Page lisa page his girlfriend in which they talked about the steps that they were gonna take to make sure that trump wasn't going to win the election. All of that took months in some cases years to uncover. But anybody who would have speculated about it in advance coal. You're a conspiracy. Oh ya that's right the fbi's framing prompted. Try to rig the results of it. Guess what they did they did. No i dropped in the little thing. That i wanna take up and we're gonna move to it next and that is can. I admit that we've talked a long dealing with this issue for now almost an entire year but the end game with regard to covid the covid numbers in wisconsin are very high right now. Fortunately it's possible they peaked. The hospitalization numbers are down a little from a week and a half ago. still litto. but they're high right now. There's talk of a vaccine. I question how many people are going to get it. How long before it will be a mass production. Plus nobody thinks the vaccine is going to be. One hundred percent foolproof. Will the vaccine even be that much more effective than doing nothing. I don't know. But i don't think it's a magic wind that suddenly called. It is not anything that we don't have to think about which just brings up this question. That i keep raising and i want to be repetitive. And say the same thing the best talk show host. I've ever heard of which he can say on the same theme day after day after day after day is rush. He's just he's got he's gifted at it. I'm not so gifted. And if i say the same thing three days at a row people saying you're saying the same thing three days that are so i always try to take different angles. Make different points to give you a different insight inside our work at it from a different kind of way. So i'm not a try not to be repetitive. Here but this point of the endgame these schools that keep close iq. When are they going to let children go to school. When is northwestern mutual going to use the office building years. The thing that has just flummoxed me for the beginning is whenever they shut any of these things down they never stayed at criteria for it. I'm going to dive into this and also talk about the real divide that we have in our society. I thought this will thanksgiving weekend. Serves as the worst thanksgiving ever will. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't but it from for a person like me who has a curious mind. It was very very interesting as to how people dealt with this. I'd say we're a nation of two and maybe three countries one part of the country is totally freaked out and changing all human behavior because of the virus. The other part of the country isn't changing damn thing and resents the fact that they're being told they have to change anything. There might be third group which might be people in the middle that i taking some precautions but that a lot. We are not all in this together despite what they say. There are a lot of people who aren't in it at all. And i saw a lot of things with i think unbiased is and i wanna share that also expand on this wall i we simply going to say that a nine year old kid is never going to spend another day in a classroom again because we're not willing to take the risk that he might get sick or as teacher by get sick. How long did you play that out without giving us some sort of criteria and i'll go to the break but i'm going to pick up on plates. When did we create the expectation that a teacher has a right not to get sick from one of his or her kids. Mother was a schoolteacher. Here's the drill word. She go to school. Some kid would sleeves over something. She brings this home us. Kids would get sick for the kids at the other school. It was non stop still. Is it also worked at reverse mayor one of my siblings. We get sick. Spread it to the house. My parents get sick. Call my mother ever skip a day of teaching. Because she was sick. Nobody did in those days she probably took it into that school by the thing that we brought into our us got her whole school the cheetah well but it wasn't calvin no was whatever the crap was we all had when we create the impression that teachers have some sort of god given right. Do not get sick. How did we get to the point. Where teaching that considered to be an essential occupation taps are essentially patient sick or not sick to sort out. We need to have police out there. Firefighters essential occupation. The people are sick at if a house on fire rated somebody to come put out the fire. Somebody's about a heart attack. You need the paramedics show up and so odd nursing central occupation doctors central occupation with the teaching the post office for heaven's sakes essential advocacy. I think the post offices operated everyday that we've had cloven. Fedex is operated everyday that we call it soda so as ups construction crews here banging every day. How teach and get to be a point where it's considered such triviality that we could allow teachers to sit on their cans. Because the pantywaisty are afraid that they're gonna get covid. I'm serious about this. How did that happen. How did the guy riding a boom crane become more essential teaching seventh grade. Let's dive into all that. Here's thirty w afternoon show. The forecast boxes. Tom walks clearing skies tonight. Breezy and cold. We're gonna drop it at the low twenties of twenty two for a lower and colder the matt invent qian's inland row partly sunny and breezy season for this time of year. Right around the norm. Thirty eight Most the study for wednesday. A little bit warmer forty-six nice end of the week. Thursday and friday both days partly to mostly sunny forty five for a high on thursday forty three forty five for thursday and forty three for friday. Now i have been of the opinion for some time. Now which is a change from the opinion that i had earlier rod because i have tried to make my conclusions on covid base that what is happening and learn from it rather than predictions that i may have held before or biases about what i would like to have happened. There are many people who felt that there'd be the wave of covid in the spring and it would graduate. Peter out let in happen in fact what has occurred during the colder months or more people are indoors. Cova has had a second wave. Edit is mostly worked into the parts of the united states that didn't hit the first wave the one thing we don't know because there isn't widespread antibody. Testing is how many people have already been exposed. Chances are and a lot of the larger cities that were hit hard early on a significantly high number. They already had it or they were exposed either. Got only a little sicker. Didn't get sick at all and developed a resistance so therefore in some of those cities. There isn't this second explosion that there is in parts of the united states. That are really heavily. Hit right now like northern wisconsin. Minnesota the dakotas montana these parts of the country that had almost no cases early on but now are vulnerable population. Particularly as you've gotten to the colder months people moved indoors. The kroger stores all over the united states that it was concert they used to brand names pick and save metro market all of them that pharmacies. I doing antibody tests right now. I could tell you that it's extremely popular. It's very hard to get. An appointment are very hard to get a slap to go in because everybody wants to find out. I believe they're charging twenty five bucks. That's the test. You ought to get the positive. The antibody testing means you had it. And you're over it. And the general belief is that you've had it because you have the antibodies. The antibodies is part of your body. That fights off culpa. Because you already had it you fought it off that you probably aren't going to get it again and you have very little reason to be considered. We don't know how many people in the united states have had it because there isn't widespread testing for the antibody as there is widespread testing for the virus itself. But if i'm right now my new belief that this thing is going to exist until just about everybody has been exposed. We live a long way to go yet. In a weird way the more people who get at the closer we are to the end. If i m right that pretty much everybody is going to have to be exposed so as this thing now rolls through at high numbers had more and more people are exposed some of whom get sick of whom barely get sick. And some of whom don't even know they have it. It makes us closer to the at in a way it's like what herd immunity always is. And that's maybe what we have to go through here. But nobody thinks we're at the point at which four-fifths the country have already been exposed so we may have a very very long haul for this car. So how am i going to keep. The school is closed. If the numbers are too high right now to open schools remember in some cities like the walkie. They wouldn't open the schools. We had nothing in terms of numbers in august and september. Nothing to and fifty people in the hospital and the whole state and they wouldn't dope it out now that it's around eighteen hundred two thousand hospitalized in the entire state. You have a lot of the school districts that had been open initially have gone to virtual now for how long. How do you play this. Saudi still have a functioning society. I look at northwestern mutual. And i shake my head. That office complex. I'm telling you if you haven't seen you have no idea how big it is. It's not only incredibly high. It goes on for blocks. It runs from van buren to prospect incredibly huge. And it's beautiful the spent all this money. it's empty. it's been empty since april and they say they're not planning to open until july and is there anybody who thinks they're going to put in july. I ever gonna use that building again now. I understand things change but what they spend all that money for at an office complex. The company can function without people going to the office. Forget at home with so dogwood. Easy why these companies spend all this money on these facilities and if they don't intend to go back in it. Why did they stop before sale side at it now. The bucks told us in wisconsin. We needed to build the pfizer form. And i thought it was a good idea. You don't eat an eighteen thousand seat arena. If you don't let people go to the games what's the end game on this. They're trying desperately idiot. Janas decide the supermax extension but if he does apparently only watch them on television. They're not letting us go to the games. What's the end game on that. Everybody's looking for somebody to give him a signal saying it's okay to be normal again. Well there is no mr big give you that signal. The public health experts are always going to say. It's too dangerous to go. If one person on the planet has cova couch is going to tell us we have to wait until that person clears they. We gotta give it six months to make sure nobody else gets it. Nobody's gonna give you it all clear. I am looking for and i just can't find it anywhere from any of the people in the shutout of the lockdown crowd describing a hard and fast criteria that they will use to return to some sense of normalcy lot of football games all we get there so rhyme to raise it in this country. I watched alabama and auburn a little bit of that game. Alabama killed him. It's hard to tell exactly how many of you there are a lot of people there. I don't know if it was a fourth of the stadium. There's a lot of people there but it watched the packer game last night and they have the packer. Employees are there. they said five hundred. We could hear anybody. They show a few of them on tv. Same pantry same virus. I understand the numbers are high in wisconsin. They're not high in alabama but they've made a decision based on some criteria and alabama. Let people go to sporting events. I don't know if any of the schools are open down there in alabama. A lot of them are closed. Here in wisconsin again. What specifically is it bastaad. Then the insight that we've seen in our country in which we decide what's important and what is not important the things that haven't missed the beat. I think the landscapers were shut down for a day and a half at the beginning of covid. Otherwise raking leaves said flattened. Bushes sweep it up at all of that stuff forever while some schools closed the university is. They're obviously a hotbed of covid. For obvious reasons. Kids are on top of what other gourmet tories. You've got zillions of people living in the same complex and there's a whole lot of sex and make it out. that goes out in college campuses. See you have some college campuses. Virtually all of the classes are being held virtually but college football teams keep playing and guy slam into one another pads and then one guy gets sick. Shut down the hall thing. You can't play college football and have all these people hanging around together in the save locker room. If you don't want anybody kovin i- mentioned the point on teaching. It's been an eye opener saying the people who run grade schools high schools and universities. Essentially saying they don't believe education is all that important. We pretty much said the stuff that we're gonna keep writing in. The united states is going to be the important stuff for the stuff that we're going to. Shutdown is going to be the stuff that we can do without right schools. Get into the things we could do without ho well. We're not doing without doing. Virtually i'm hearing some districts and some private schools that are going virtual doing spectacularly well and i'm hearing that many others are doing awful and i'm hearing that some kids i think if i were a kid i if i were a kid and the computers are around i think i would have done just fine virtual just given how i alert but i know that a lot of kids and a lot of parents to save their kids are really struggling in this kind of forum. Are we write off youth. So i said kids today. I said three having a mascot have we thought about the long-term ramification of that child being raised in an environment where he has to be afraid of the world particularly given that if he got cova chances are he wouldn't even get sick and at the age of he's probably sick ninety percent of the time anyway. I just think that nobody saw through any of how we how we exit this. How would adds particularly gay. That they won't give us if we're going to base this on numbers give us the numbers that's been lacking the beginning here and i think it started yet lacked initially because there was a desire to shut everything down because at a lot to do with killing the economy and trump will the election's over citified an exit strategy. Now and instead you just get from biden maybe a little more locked odes. We'll keep fight. I get that you wanna lockdown lockdown lockdown lockdown but. What is the strategy to ever reopen up. And say that we're with all of this. What criteria is in place for that. Because this can't be permanent. Are we going to forever have virtual everything virtual schools virtual this virtual that are we forever go to keep restaurants at fifteen percent capacity. Are we never going to have another broadway player. We never gonna have people attending live sporting events in wisconsin. You want see fans in the stands. You gotta watch a game in georgia but one thing that i know is that this can't go on forever because financially. It can't go on forever. Sports can't survive without an income stream from live. Attendance is only so much. They make the broadcasting education can survive entirely virtual because we don't have enough programs at teachers that are effective at teaching that way some are but not enough are trained to do it and some students don't learn that way we've got this incredible investment in infrastructure that we can simply write off. Say we're never gonna use it again so there's got to be an exit strategy at some point but nobody carves up comes up with it. What are the things that i've noted in. Wisconsin was that we were freaking out over cove at a time that almost nobody had it early on in the spring it was in the north half of milwaukee county and nowhere else in the state we had like one person in the hospital in cheboygan. What in brown county yet was doing these lockdowns for everywhere. Let me explain something to the average more which would be the governor. There's no point in lacking people down and keeping them away from a bunch of other people who don't have it if i met a group of twenty people and none of us have the virus. There's no reason for any of us to be wearing masks every staying away from one another. You only need to do it. If there's a very good chance that that some people in that group have it so we did all of this lacking doubt at a time that virtually nobody in the state had it i get. I think that there were political motivations for it but it results in a frustration for people who are tired of the whole thing at a time in which the virus actually is breaking out all over the place. Then you have the whole exaggeration. The seriousness of it for the vast majority of people call is unimportant for some people. It will kill you but we're acting as though call. it kills. Everyone people who initially trusted that guidance are now finding themselves taking no precaution. Covert at all because they realize that they were kind and lied to by people who told them that. This is something that could kill everyone. I believe a student in his madison. Passed away for call it. I believe we're wisconsin. Where two fatalities under the age of twenty. Now think of the number of things that has taken the lives of people under the age of twenty. And we're colbert is the list. So if we're looking at this strategy to leave. I wanna get to the vaccines at. I'll do that next where people say. Well if there's a vaccine if there's a vaccine if there's a vaccine if there's a vaccine if there's a vaccine avenue a lot of listening to people zillions people refuse to get it because they're they're afraid of the side effects that's a plausible belief if somebody thinks. Hey if i get copen. I'm going to get a sore throat for four days. But if i take the vaccine i'll get all these other things and who knows whether or not my era fall off in five weeks. I think i'll just worry. I'll just get coalpit. Don't tell me that people aren't going to think that way and in a world which probably less than half of us have gotten copen yet doing nothing. What is the value of a ninety percent effective vaccine. Will people be willing to get that. So does this become a strategy for that game. And if we're going to require people to wear masks which if anything does miserable good will. We require them to get a vaccine. Which would certainly do more good slash positive energy news talk eleven thirty w i s and marketing late afternoon. Show some moderna stock stock pop twenty percent today. I say they're ready to go with the with their vaccine. Visor and astra zeneca are right behind this. Probably two or three other companies. That i gotta get there is out there. We don't have a real mechanism. Trump worked as hard as he could to get one in place but he's not gonna be around after january twentieth little. Never real mechanism to mass. Distribute this thing. I think that if we set our mind to it could but you see as it is the crazy patchwork system that goes on with regard to testing and how slow and long it takes for each person to get up there. Fill out this. Fill out thac lots of this. That and the other thing just getting the flu shot take took takes me about fifteen minutes every year. If it's fifteen minutes to vaccinate a person. I mean we could try to do mass exhibition in the united. Sates probably be done by twenty fifty seven. We're country a three hundred billion people now. Obviously if you've already had this the more people that have already had it by the time the vaccines roll out the fewer people that will be needed to be vaccinated. But the flaw in that whole premise. As i said is it presumes that everybody is going to want to get vaccinated the longer this thing is out there. The more people are wondering. What's the point. Remember you've got country in which a good chunk are freaked out over cold. They'll knock people over to get this but another part of this country is just fearless about it. Because they think that. This thing has been exaggerated from the beginning. And if you think it's been exaggerated from the beginning and lady even if you get it it's going to be no big deal. Are you going to trust taking vaccine. That has the only way to what to test whether or not there are. Widespread side effects is to get it out there and mass distribution. And let's see how many people get sick from side effects. How many people are going to be willing to do that. I think there's going to be significant resistance to getting the vaccine. I think that there's going to be significant interested. As i say our is divided i get vaccinated for everything they have. I'll go get it. But i'm not gonna wait in line for five hours for it as i said. How about get with the lights when the lights doubt. Or if they do a workplace they give somebody brexit here. Paul like a bunch of needles that have him inject people have a nurse. Come in. It's maybe i would do that but the point that i make people think once we get a max mass vaccination program going. That's a we can return to a sense of normalcy in this country. I'm not sure we could get to a vaccination which then brings me to my next point. You're going to see. I believe some governments that are going to try to mandate this. And it's gonna go right back into court if you can mandate that a person wears a mask which and people argue about. How effective they are. I think the way most people where they don't do any good at all. I think the way some people were they clearly. Do good if you have a really good mass. Not like the one i of but what are these good like medical ones that you see covering the purchase strap it. Oh yeah. I bet that's pretty effective. Looks like the kind of thing surgeons are wearing when they're standing over a guy who's chest will wide open probably works. These clocked wednesday. People watch these football games it's laughable. Every coach wants to talk. He pulls his mask dowd. Who for crying out loud. Just talked louder. Some coaches have it at all the other key. Polit- down and pull it down to pull it down and politics. We'll that's it out all over the workplace the situation but the denver broncos proves to be how we're doing on masks one guy gets covid one quarterback. The other three quarterbacks can't play because they found out that what he was. They were sitting in the quarterback room. They didn't have their best gut hughes it. I bet i bet if you ask these quarterbacks should have a mask mandate they all say yes. So what people say what they do are two separate things if you believe in a mass manic keep you damn mascot. But they did so. They ended up having a wide receiver off the practice. Squad play quarterback. I think he went one for nine. They scored three points by the way. The baltimore pittsburgh game is now wednesday rather than tuesday. The nfl's at least tried. They're not allowed pro football the shambles that college football is for twenty five games get called off every week so they're going to try to play it on wednesday some people believe the. Nfl season is doomed. That covid is now entering football. And you're gonna have mass cancellation said it's going to wreck wreak havoc through the through a lot of these teams. I don't know if it is or it isn't but again the point that i make with regard to the masks is i grant you that masks. Probably do some good. Whether it's one percent gooder eighty percent good. We can argue. That probably has a lot to do with how well the person wears the mask. And how good the mask is. Bot undeniably vaccine would be more effective than a mask. Well if we're willing to mandate a mask are we willing to mandate the vaccine. I can't fathom that this would be a country that we're going to order somebody that they have to get a medical procedure. I would think not. And i would think most courts would say that we're not going to mandate it will if we don't mandate it. How do you ever get the mass. The number of people in society to take it so that you get to a point where the vet virus goes away. I don't believe we should mandate vaccines. I believe people have an opposition to vaccine should have a right to that opposition. If somebody believes that the vaccine works. Get yourself accident. What are you worried about them. Since you're the one that thinks that it works. What do you care if this guy gets will be able to give it to be. Not if you've been vaccinated right. So are we willing to accept a world in which the only people who get it are the people who weren't vaccinated and therefore will return to. I don't know because nobody ever comes up with these criteria to get saw. You gotta we gotta wait. We'll get through it. We'll get through. It will get wag and by what standard i mean. H one n one still floating around out there. There's a vaccine for. Its in the flu. Shot some people. Don't get that somebody who is sick. Right now. sniff lit it still be h what edward or another one of the flu that. You're you know that we get you. See my point quickly onto this. Divide that we have. And i don't eat a long time to explain it but here at a lot of people look at it. A lot of things long thanksgiving weekend saw out of stuff. I'm told that the stores the retail stores. Some of them had of course. It was the black friday thanksgiving christmas weekend and so on crowds but way down in most cases from what they were other than your basic walmarts of the world. The ones that have groceries their ma because the people getting groceries figure. Well let's see. Let's see if we can't go buy some christmas presents at the same time as long as i'm in a store let's go buy stuff like that over there but otherwise generally down although there were some crowds some restaurants and bars are really really struggling right now. There are some people who simply been lacking themselves up in hungary dowd. The stories you've heard about disputes and families families being ripped apart where a lot of the thanksgiving get togethers recalled off or more likely they have it. But some of the family members are awol which hacks off others or somebody who wanted to go to so and so's house that person that hosting as opposed to being a society of adults where if you've got a family member who doesn't want to be there have it without who cares. Well there's only there's only the three of us that it's not to save without all on ch charlie there with local charlie with daddy wouldn't be there either. Spend to happen. Uncle charlie and me and everybody else so you have these different attitudes out there. But nobody wants to accept. The other person's attitude which i think is just stupid northwestern mutual. It opened the building up. But i tell people who want to stay. Keep working at home. Keep work at home. If i was a religious opened the church out people want to go let it go. People don't wanna go and that religion considers it a sin not to go. Well then. don't go with regard to the schools. i'd open them all up and set up a program to have a few teachers assigned to virtual. Because some kids aren't gonna show up in teacher who's assigned to show up for work does it. Why do it. I fire is sorry button to say that if a cop said oh have afraid of getting cova. They're not coming in. You'd fire his but to. We don't operate society so that the people who work in society don't get sec. If you want to have a job at which you could just take a powder anytime you might get sick within. Find one of those careers. But then don't turn around and say you're an important member of society when you're more worried about your own health and you are about providing a service that you've been telling us log is essential service to provide which leads me all of this. I'm not gonna name any names here but you might be able to figure it out. There are a lot of restaurants normally. You know because. I'm a single guy every year usually me and a bunch of other single guys have thanksgiving dinner. We go to a place. There's the thing that i usually with my family on friday. That didn't happen because one member didn't wanna do. That's for prerogative. I'm fine with that. Didn't bother anybody else. She doesn't want to do it because she doesn't feel safe. Guide to the virus. That's fine. I'm gonna live. I would have shown up if she had it. She isn't no harm. No foul just these people turn these things into federal cases are beyond me really anyway so i go to thanksgiving dinner thursday at a restaurant. I'll guess i'll give you the general geographic acidity itself variety live. And i live near downtown. Milwaukee i that means it could be anywhere from memphis tennessee. I suppose the national labrador but itself umbrella popular restaurant. I go in there. And i see half the east side sitting there because i was filled with people who have nowhere near the place but there were at that many places open. They were there. This place thanksgiving date was mobbed mobbed. Mobbed were scheduled to be open until eight. They ran out a turkey at five thirty. My waiter says we were the last table to get the turkey. I'm guessing he said that the everyone of his tables to get a good tip but that was about the time that they cut it off at some people headliner later. Reservations apparently cancelled. They had the other menu. You could have had that but people there are people who wanted to have. They obviously did way more business that they had anticipated in. This place also had a carry. Operation glenn was zillions of people that we're going through that the place that i make is that while many of these people in this lockdown mo this place was packed with people who are perfectly fine with going into a restaurant with brands and having thanksgiving is normal. You saw the same thing happening with travel. It was the busiest week. End of the year since kovic started for the airlines and the aaa is estimating that fifty million americans traveled this week at most by car but still traveled so if they traveled. That means they're going somewhere to be with other people. No that's down from years past. But it's still a sizable number. The airports were crowded. Not like they were in a normal thanksgiving weekend but still way more crowded than we've seed. So what you have here is again this a with you screw it. I'm not giving up thanksgiving not give it up this. How long are we supposed to live like this. I'm in that category. I don't wanna get cold. But i think at some point. Maybe i've already had it. I haven't had the antibody test. I'll put the mascot. I'll take some precautions if i think somebody has. I'm not going to hang around next to 'em bot do i have left to live. I'm not going to spend the rest of my life hiding out. Afraid of everything if the bucks let me go to a game i go. They're not gonna let me go but to try to live my life. That's the category. I yet which ought to be my prerogative. But they're taking away all these things to me to facilitate the people who want to hide out and i'm suggesting that the people who are isolate take precautions we ought to facilitate this employers. Should come up with ways if it's appropriate for their job to work at home. And so what if they can be in a work at home mode. But we can't keep having this world in which we keep airing on the side of the people who believe that the world has to stop because there's a sickness going around gifford the fact that there's always sicknesses go egger rowdy in the end every last one of us is gonna die a something anyhow. I've been talking about the reactions. Getting older people. Obviously we've seen the numbers. Five percent of the people over seventy who called the die from it. Like zero point zero zero zero zero percent of people under forty gig called die. The all the ui the likelier ride. This is the take you up but still that means ninety five percent of the people over seventy live some of the people who are all this they look. I'm eighty five years old. I don't wanna spend by remaining time hiding out. I want to be with my family. I wanna do things. Maybe i'll get covid. But maybe i'll get cancer. Maybe i'll have a heart attack. Maybe i'll have a stroke. Maybe this'll kill me. Maybe that'll kilby. Maybe by high blood pressure kilby. Or maybe the fact that of eighty five is gonna kill me and others were older are freaked out at the notion that taking in a deep breath of these twentysomethings been out there. Saying throwing caution to the wind is gonna be the thing that kills them. The point is is that we all are different. People have different risk tolerances. Different things they're afraid of different ways to approach their lives but we shoved everybody into the same blender in mixed us all up together. And there's resentment over it with no plan from anyone that i've seen to get us out of it. Everybody keeps us into more lockouts at more restrictions. And so without anybody say well why. What point do we get to a level which we say. Screw it you by get covered but we're moving part of me. Thinks it will be. When the vaccine is out there and we just say look the people who didn't want get vaccinated while it's on them if they keel over and croke. Maybe but i think that that level that refuses to get the shot is going to be higher than people think especially early on a. There's a hassle factor with the lines and be with many people concerned about the side effects. That may be side effects. You know if you're thirty five years old your chances of dying from colbert. Even if you got it are way less than one percent but your chances of getting a side effect who knows what they are are four or five percent. Some people may say well. I'm certainly not gonna die from kobe. But i might get headaches for a week and a half or puke this that and the other thing from the shot and who knows what the side effects are. We are going to know until they're out the hall. Take you know some people. Are they going to get the shot and five minutes later. They're going to feel like they're sick because they just so open to suggestion. I'm not entirely dislike that myself. You know so that you go out to eat to eat and to people say got sick from eating this and i. I sure i've not sick here. So people are anyway a lengthy discussion on this with all premised on the point of. How do we get to the other side. The whole light at the end of the tunnel thing and nobody's provided from with regard to schools offices sports franchises institutions. That have put a fortune into these structures that are premise than people going into them. How do they ever get back to that point. And if they don't attend to get back to that point what they spend all you people toasted with your close schools in there would you pass at school. Referendum for if virus. The kids don't get sick from is the ratchet that you get to say well. I guess we didn't need the schools after all wa does the school of the city that allows rioting. But that's an allow kids to go to classes five thirty news. Talk eleven thirty. W is it's time for rapid traffic dot com standing up for milwaukee. This is the mark belling late afternoon. Show on news. Talk eleven thirty w i s in discussing in an extended second segment there. The covid situation in the united states without using the term one-size-fits-all spend the problem. We have tried to dictate on america. A one size fits all response in a nation that is not viewing this particular problem one way and that's where the problem is covid. The people that are freaked out. Over the kuroda virus there are never to be enough restrictions to satisfy them. They're terrified and the people who believe that their rights are being taken away from them unless we literally do zero. They're never going to be happy. But we try to do is not allow anybody to have any latitude in the way that they've approached this the school districts that i think have done the thing that is most sensible let those that are offering kids the option to attend in person or to go virtual because one size doesn't fit all or the companies that have been flexible in the workplace where you're not talking about nurses or doctors well a company like ours. Sales person wants to come in. Let them come in if they don't wanna come in. They don't have to come in a person like me. It doesn't make a lot of sense to come in. But we probably could facilitate it. If i said i'd rather set up a studio at my home and do it by remote. I'm pretty sure they'd let me do it. We have a lot of people that are in fact we do voice fracking. All you know we could do it. I just prefer to cobb ed. But you know the the point that i make is the more we facilitate people making the choice that they feel comfortable with the more sensitive. Have but the response. Government has been a one size fits all type of approach and we are not in a one-size-fits-all world with added a one-size-fits-all country. This election proved it. Is it possible to find people who view the word more worldwide polar opposite had these patriotic trump supporters carrying their flags are going to all these trump rallies and doing the car rallies and all this stuff and the antifa groups that are burning cities down saying how terrible america yet. We're all the same country here. We'll have come up with an example the illustrate how how things are so different. It used to be. And i'm not you an old man story how i was a kid. This wasn't that long ago we had these. They used to call them water cooler events on television where something would happen on. Tv and everybody talking about near the water cooler the next day or you know at work. I'll give you a few way back. I remember this. I was a kid as in grade school. But i remember it. There's a tv show. Called the smothers brothers comedy hour. They played the video that the beatles did have. Hey jude the one where they performed a. It was a produced video but it was they made. It appear to be live where they sing. Hey jude and by the time it's as a whole mob of people around him during the die on et etc that video. Probably all seated. Well that is. The smothers brothers pleaded on tv and they played all eight minutes of it whole country. That was a highly rated program. The whole country was talking about it the next day because if something was on television on sunday night at a time in which they're only spirit for channels that most of us had and it was a memorable moment. People would all talk about it the next day. Fast forward fifteen years. Jr ewing a shot at the end of. I think it was the first that right of the second season of dallas. And they have the cliffhanger. The next day you know dallas. I think at the time was the number one rated programme so zillions of people saw it. Everybody talked about it the next day. It was a big thing in the country the whole summer who shot. Jr who shot jr because they weren't going to reveal until the following season. Things would happen that you'd all sort of watch on tv and we'd have this shared experience that everybody would see it but the people who didn't see him at all here about it because so many people dead seattle. They're all talking about it. We were all kind of. We all had the same kind of shared experiences. Because there weren't that many different experiences to share we did ninety eight million channels on cable the choose from yet. Cbs nbc abc. If you're in a big city like milwaukee baby again channel eighteen th undermines public tv about it and if you were watching tv at a movie to us it anything. And i gotta talk fifty years ago. I mean cable kind of came in the in the seventies and the eighties but so it was for most people for a really long tied. Now there's a show that what's the buzz worthy where there's a buzz about it. I could tell when the show has a buzz. When i never watched the stuff that anybody else watches when i mentioned show at. Everybody seems to know what i'm talking about. That means it must be buzz worthy. It's called the undoing. Hbo and also on hbo. Max said hbo max has way more viewers than regular hbo because hbo max is a streaming service people. Talking about. it's only six is a six episode series people from talking about it for weeks. Every time i bring it up on the show ninety seven million people respond. And i find that all sorts of people i know in my own life all independently of stumbled onto this show. Don't worry for those of you. Concerned about a spoiler alert. I'm not gonna tell you how it is because that's my point. It wasn't that long ago and the the season finale aired on. Hbo last night. It wasn't that long ago that everybody in america would be talking about how it ended the following morning because it ended. That's not the way it is anymore. We're not what a world of streaming and binge-watching where people don't watch the program at a specific time this show because it's still had hbo. They didn't release the final episode until it aired on. Hbo last night. So anybody who wants that. An hbo or binge-watch at the first opportunity they would have had to go through. The whole thing would have been last night. It's one of those programs. That is all kind of setup for well it was. It was a murder mystery. It i'm not going to reveal anything but it's a who did it and that you know people were wondering all the way through the day. Well who did it. Who did it who did it. Who did it who did a donated who did it. Who did it back in the not so long ago times would they would reveal. Did it people would talk about who did it now. You're not allowed to bring it up. Because the vast majority of people not only haven't seen it yet thurgood be binge-watching and streaming this three years five years seven years nine years eleven years. Thirteen years from now so we don't have that shared experience either. People don't watch television program at other than say sports or news at the specific precise time that it's odd fill either recorded or if it's streaming they'll come and find it maybe years after came on the first time around. This is what we are accustomed to people doing what they want on their own time and on their own schedule yet the people who are interested in bossing us around they're still trying to dictate when everything's going to occur at what time lied. We're at an on demand world but government is still thinking that everybody watches but ends at eight o'clock on sunday night. which is one bonanza. Click come to think of it. That's the smothers brothers was on to. They're both out at eight o'clock on sunday night. I think they probably have around but that. That's what my memory serves quick comment of the packer game. The thing that nobody's factored in with regard to the season is you've got all this covance stuff going. I'd imagine if you get to the super bowl at a team gets thirteen guys with covert gonna shove the super bowl back. Four days of just say the after. Play it because the super bowl is the super bowl in. It's such the big event with television so forth and so can you. I don't think they'll shove it back at all. I think that you're just gonna have to deal with it. I mean you. There's too much broadcasting money tied into what it's going to be that they don't what would they care about that. I think it was telling that they said that the denver broke. You don't have any quarterbacks play. I don't believe i don't believe if the packers get to the super bowl and aaron rodgers comes mclovin five days. If i don't think they're gonna call the game off. So i think that's that's the wildcard. Was somebody kimes. Especially since. I believe that probably america our worst months for covert i gotta be december january and february just because most of the country is indoors during that period of time. Because it's cold and most of the country that that's probably when you're going to see hit a peak for all of these sports teams of the ones that have gotten through this so far without much exposure are probably going to get it. I think the packers look very very good right now. Their offense is just it just on top of its game. They've played two. Excellent defense is in a row here in the colts last week in the bears this week and they seem to be able to score is what they do is combined seventy two points the last two weeks. The packer defense isn't much good at all. It was certainly not against the road but their offense is just hitting on all cylinders in a year in which nobody seems especially good especially in the nfc. The sky is the limit for the packers. The caveat of course be the packers. Haven't had a real covid problem. So far that means they're vulnerable to get it one and secondly defense does win championships and the defense is not the strength. The green bay has but yes. I did watch the whole game from start to finish. There's nothing better than watching a the packers win and be the pay. The bears is losing especially when the bears fall flat on their faces. They as they did once again. That was the one hundredth time. The packers beat the bears. I mean people's while of course and that series is almost dead even but it hasn't always been the bears. The bears up at one point by twenty-five where dhs after that dick mcmahon era that they had and so one but firemen rogers her. It seemed like it would be insurmountable. That the packers could never catch the bears. Well no they haven't by five. It's one hundred ninety. Rogers made a comment his postgame press conference. It just blew me away. You realize that. Aaron rodgers has won twenty percent of the game. Packers beat the bears. They first played in nineteen twenty one or something. Aaron rodgers is respect. And it's exactly twenty. Twenty of the one hundred wins for. His rogers is twenty and five verses the bears and five at a pretty good record against him to that shows you how far the bears are behind right now. The series is one hundred ninety five and six so they play two hundred and one time said we bought one hundred. Six of them were ties in the bears of one ninety five and one hundred and growing apparently For the packers so far was twenty two and tan. Rogers was twenty and five was. I don't think they have a backup to start any of those games. I don't think so Rogers missed a few games. Fired missed almost. So that would mean that combined their forty two and fifteen which put yes that puts the packers up five so they obviously would have been twenty two down before the beginning of the fire aero seemingly insurmountable gap that we've managed the pass up that stat a load. Forty two and fifteen would demonstrate to people who don't anything about football the importance of the quarterback position the packers having back to back hall of famers at the position and the bear's having a bunch of mitchell trubisky five fifty four news. Talk seven thirty. W news talk eleven thirty. Wins and mark. Belling made afternoon show a couple of segments dealing with an issue that we were talking about earlier in the program with regard to government covid ed restriction of our rights. One of the cases involves the united states supreme court order on religious services. There's an interesting case. However in wisconsin. That i want to address i. I mentioned that alluded to briefly in racine the public health department for the city. Every seed has issued an order closing all schools and racine and a little bit of the adjacent area over which the racine health department has jurisdiction authority. Now the key here is. The schools didn't close themselves the city every seeing issue the order racine public schools have been closed all the log. This order closed all the private schools. The wisconsin institute of law and liberty filed a challenge to this order claiming that the city every scene doesn't have the ability to close a private school. This story gets really interesting. I november twenty fifth. That would have been last week. Wednesday the day before thanksgiving the state. Supreme court issued at injunction. What's it injunction. An injunction is an order. That is it a fact while they consider the larger question in other words it injunction isn't a permanent ruling at injunction merely is something that is in place while it could the court cakes more time to consider the entire case the injunction was issued blocking ray scenes or so wisconsin institute of law liberty ghost the court asked the state supreme court to issue an injunction stopping racine from enforcing this order until there could be a full ruling from the court. The court issues the injunction that was wednesday of last week following this the received health department said despite with the supreme court says we are ordering schools to remain closed today. Racine is saying we have a separate order. The city safer at home order. That doesn't allow the schools to but either so therefore they still can't open you have in other words one city defying a court order the highest court in the state of wisconsin. So the wisconsin institute of law and liberty ran back to the state supreme court this afternoon and that the city of racine be held in contempt. All these people that are demanding that trump accept the results of an election over which there's been no court ruling at all whatsoever saying that this thing is over courts have rejected legal challenges and so on in this instance you have a city defying the state supreme court. Say we don't care what your injunction says we're gonna keep ordering the schools to close now. I suspect their stats is. We're gonna play this thing out until like what somebody comes over and arrests you. There's a level of desperation on this. I want to explain why the city of racy is so adamant enclosing the private schools in racine. There have been. I don't know the exact number but a significant number of parents pulled their kids out of the public school system after the public schools closed because they want their kids to have in person learning so they put their kids at a private school racine. Government officials are freaked over this given that some parents decided if the teachers are too lazy to teach. I'll put my kid in a private school where they actually will show up so they turn around. They closed the private schools to this rates is a legitimate question. Year about the liberty rights a private school some of which religious to decide for themselves whether not they're open so the state supreme. Well care we're going to take a look at whether or not you could order this or not. But in the meantime these schools get to be open. The city everything. No i don't care what the court says we're gonna keep you closed. Watch this one play out. This brings us to a related story. This also came down wednesday of last week and given the fact that obviously i was thursday or friday. It's my first opportunity to comment on it. The city of new york has been restricting religious service attendance. This case went to the united states. Supreme court you talk about a significant test of the constitution. The constitution grants us the ultimate religious liberty. It says it right in the first amendment that we have the fr- the right to exercise our religion freely doesn't say a lot of but not under this circumstance that circumstance of the other circumstance. So when you have a pandemic going on can government tell you that you cannot exercise. Your religion is the interest of public safety one that trump's the ability of people to attend church at whatever terms they want. This has been questioned in wisconsin as well would everts issued his lock dotas this percentage that percentage the other percentage again. This is not a question of whether or not the church can on. Its own restricted. Ted's can the government order a church to make rules about who can and cannot attend. I'm going to share with you. How the united states supreme court ruled on this at why in a moment six zero six news. Talk seven thirty i. It's time for rapid traffic news. Talk eleven thirty by an mark. Belling late afternoon show again. This case deals with an injunction and not ruling and injunction. As i stated with a gardner the wisconsin state supreme court case is what the court hands down pending a full hearing and review of the case. They generally handout. Injunctions when harm is being done in the interim in this instance you're dealing with the situation in new york. The court does eventually rule of this presumably. It would be precedent setting for the entire nation governor. Andrew cuomo in new york has set limits of ten or twenty five depending on the size of the facility. I'm the number of people who can attend religious services in new york. Several religious organizations have challenged this in court. And it's gotten to. The united states supreme court which on wednesday issued an injunction blocking the order. The ruling was five four. If you're wondering what's conservative wandered over to the other side. You can guess. It was john roberts but nonetheless the five conservative justices ruled to issue an injunction and even though it was only an injunction and not a full ruling they wrote opinions backing up the issuing of the injunction at as quoted today in the wall street journal. Some of the arguments were very powerful as to why a governor in this case quavo can't use the fear of spreading covert as an excuse to take away the religious liberty of americans all of these battles at arguments that we have over our rights. They come into conflict with one another. What is a greater right. The right of government to try to protect people from getting a virus or the right of individuals to practice their religion in their matter of choice in the court said that your religious freedom is always going to be more important than the ability of the government to control the spread of a sickness. I would think that the only people who would disagree with that would be people who don't believe that religion is important but given the fact that our constitution stated that religion was so important that i right to freely exercise it is in the very first amendment to the constitution. They made it quite clear here. The government can't at whim to protect us or anyone else say that you can't practice your religion now as i've been watching this at it struck me how far down on the priority list. Some people have wanted some of these things to be. People went to church in london. When the blitz was going on for heaven's sakes they felt that the worshiping of their god was certainly more important than the potential that they be. Hit by a bob. If you believe in the concept of eternal life that would probably make sense to you if you don't what you would think that those people are idiotic risking their health and wellbeing just to do something as silly as the church quoting the issuance fry from the supreme court of the judging quote members of this court and not public health experts and we should respect the judgment of those with special expertise and responsibilities in this area but even in a pandemic the constitution cannot be put away and forgotten the restrictions at issue here by effectively barring many from attending religious services strike at the very heart of the first amendment's guarantee of religious liberty in other words the court was saying is by having such a tiny number of people allowed to go to a church that means that far greater numbers of that congregation can't go and the courts position was that even in a pandemic you can't block people from going to church if they want to go. Our constitution does not allow that. I think that you could take that same statement and apply it to all of these rules across the united states at which local communities trying to black people from exercising their religion and too many people too much this too much too much. The other thing justice. Neal gorsuch wrote a concurring opinion quote. So at least according to the governor. It may be unsafe to go to church but it is always find to pick up another bottle of wine shop for a new bike or spend the afternoon exploring your distant points and meridians who knew public health would be so perfectly aligned with secular convenience in other words gorsuch just point was governor cuomo. On new york's ruling cannot stand because he didn't shut down the entire state he's kept all sorts of retail and other events open by the way. I can make the same comment about madison wisconsin which is allowed black friday to go on ebay as it shut down. The churches gorsuch is rule. Is that whatever. Public health concern. The governor of new york was putting in place the fact that he's allowed other things to be often retailing sell. What demonstrates that he doesn't consider the public health situation to be so severe as the takeaway. A constitutional right. So i think a lot of these restrictions in the end are going to get to the cord and it sounds like the supreme court has a majority then five. Four that he's going to err on the side of allowing us they have constitutional rights when it gets into certain rights to do. Things are certain desires to do things that may not be enumerated in the constitution. They'll probably get broad latitude to these government officials. In issuing the orders i would suspect for example that the supreme court might uphold an order. Mandating the wearing of masks. There's nothing in the constitution. 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I tried to make a pulse jet to drive my bicycle. Use the wand of vacuum cleaner as the jet tube. Did Not succeed at this unforced probably just as well. It would gone through a wall fun. Hippo went on to become a professional inventor at least for a little while I was just graduating for the master's degree in mechanical engineering from Mit. And these guys showed up and said Hey. We need an inventor. The day after I was on a private plane flying to a start up company was called graphic sciences. They were making fax machines which nobody will now remember but at the time they were totally cutting edge and Iran Iran are Indian. That was fabulous. We had this war with Xerox. It was such fun fun. Hippo spent several years on this track getting patents under his name and I began to become interested in the process of innovation as opposed to just doing it and I decided I really wanted to understand the process hip algata PhD and then return to teach at mit mit where his father had also taught. He's been there ever since among his many distinctions was co founding the MIT entrepreneurship program. He recently put out. How a working paper CO authored with the Wellesley economist Daniel sickle that summarizes much of what von Hitler's learned over the years it is called household innovation? RND and new measures of intangible capital. Yes that's right if you can even a little bit about innovation or the economy or how the world really works works. It's hard to not be seduced by the thesis of this paper household. RND or household innovation the authors write is an important source of innovation innovation. That has to date been largely overlooked. Indeed it is not currently counted as investment in the literature on household production and human capital in other words home innovation is missing from economic measures like GDP. And why is this important. You know if you don't assume mm-hmm that it exists. You don't set up measurements to capture it. And then you're left with whatever the residual is and you think reality is that way. Von Hippolyte N. N. sickle calculate that Americans invest about forty one billion dollars a year in household innovation. This they write is about half of what producers spend in RND to develop new products for consumers a sizable fraction every field. We look at in terms of the basic innovations about halfway halfway done by users and his fantastic companies very seldom mentioned the user developed roots of their innovations. Furthermore they right we conclude that household. RND is an important feature of household activity and more generally of the overall landscape of innovation. So okay let's start with a definition of terms home innovation as we define it is the creation of functionally novel products by a individuals in the household sector. All right that makes sense. But why has this not been turning up in typical economic measures of productivity so normally normally household activity. That's count is typically services things that you do for yourself childcare and the rest of it and you know. RND We're some really visible but it was part of leisure time. It wasn't considered his producing a useful output so von Hippo and his colleagues designed signed a nationally representative survey that's now been conducted in ten countries to learn what share of people were as they put it developing or improving consumer products for personal use. They were only able to measure what they call product innovations not services or process improvements which are harder to pin down in survey data of the nation's included Russia ranked the highest with nine point six percent of the population doing some kind of home invention the US came in at a healthy five point. Two Percent China was lowest at one point five percent in any case the fact is that many successful commercial products audits started off in someone's garage or basement or crop field so the Oslo manual for. OCD nations says. Here's how you ought to measure things like innovation and until the latest edition which came out in two thousand eighteen. They said an innovation is not an innovation until it's been placed on the market so systematically all this user innovation was invisible in other words the mountain bike even if thirty thousand people built their own before the first company came N.. As soon as a company came in they said The mountain bike we attributed to manufacture your x so not only was it invisible will but it was totally mis attributed to the producer section and then the producers could say. We're doing such a great job. Give us more subsidies as and more patents since on fun hip X.. Point out that home. Inventors have entirely different motivations than big firms. Ninety percent of them are not in it for the money money. They're in it for personal use but they're also into it for fun just fine and learning fun and learning and personal use it turns out those are all important inputs in the innovation process in all her studies. What we find is that the producers lag the the users so the first PC's were developed by users right and they were developed by users because what manufacturer thought anybody would want that and the user accuser didn't care so a key point here is that the users because they are self rewarded? Don't have to worry about selling their innovations since two others companies because they're trying to profit from general demand in selling general man. They have to care. Just let me play devil's advocate for a second you're describing firms now as sort of you know Dullard who look for profit without much innovation and and home innovators as free spirited. You know wonderful people who look for innovation and don't care so much about the prophet and believe me it's a very appealing store util. But if I'm a firm that has a huge are in d wing. I've got to say wait a minute. Professor von Hippo. I think you're maybe giving giving us not a fair shake here. So the thing is that producers also do things they just do different things. So the user is developing what he or she needs and generating new function and generating a new market. What the producers then do is they produce things that everybody will want so they improve products right so what you have is user a user hacks like the first central pivot irrigation device done by farmers farmers are the ones who do all this stuff like you know the first GPS GPS kind of surveys of fields? And so on. Because I mean there you are in the winter. What are you GONNA do right? And then the companies follow but what the companies do do is make it much more reliable more easily operable you know manufacturable so these are all very important things to do in the improvement process once you understand what the functions so it's a complementary relationship it's a complementary complimentary relationship and what we can help the manufacturers understand. Is You know what you guys. You shouldn't be sitting around. Saying Oh God what abusers need instead you should look at this complementary system that will if you look give you largely free inputs puts and insights into not only what the thing is but it's general mattis and so the first idea media ever did with scientific instruments and I learned by observing scientists that they were the ones developing their instruments and economists said to me well that scientists scientists being scientists. That doesn't mean anything then. My students were all extreme sports people so we did a whole bunch of stuff in extreme sports windsurfing. And so on and my colleagues they said well you know those people are crazy we know that. That's not generalize -able and that is why we did these nationally representative presentative surveys and when we did those and we said look in the. US They're sixteen million people who are developing -veloping new products for themselves. I remember particular colleague will be nameless. He said That's just people being people and I said that's that's my point. I have you now philosophically. Do you think this common idea of entrepreneurship as profit making and sort of pollutes the beauty and art and fun of invention. I do but I mean. Let them have at it. The innovators themselves don't don't care and they're doing it. For their own reasons. It does pollute the writing about it. But my colleagues and I are trying to make clear that this is really part of human flourishing. It's a fabulous phenomenon human flourishing. I'm not sure I ever really sat down and tried to define flourishing. I'd like you to meet Edmund Phelps. He's an economist who won a Nobel Prize years ago for his analysis of Inter temporal tradeoffs in macroeconomic policy. What's he up to lately? Mostly I'm directing the center on capitalism and Society Society at Columbia University among Phelps as many books is a recent one called mass flourishing how grassroots innovation created jobs challenge and change the notion of flourishing. He says goes back to aristotle but philosophers in the nineteen sixties. We're talking about it too. I I know because I was around and this was their word for having a kind of life. That has a lot of deep satisfactions. It's now that doesn't sound like something. Economists would typically be so interested in that's that's right. I guess. I'm waiting for the economists to run me out of town but yeah I'm working at trying to get them to think about flourishing and to think more about the dynamism in an economy that makes it the possible for large numbers of people to flourish. I guess I have a love of exploring a problem that I can't answer a question I can't answer I really love it and it's not that I necessarily that I go into the office everyday whistling but it becomes is almost an obsession. I guess tell me how old you are and how much you are still working. I'm still eighty five as we talk next month. I'll be eighty six and you go into the office most days still I do and Emma shame to admit I sometimes sneak again on Saturday morning. Yeah what Phelps became obsessed with was. What exactly leads to human human flourishing and how that translates to innovation and economic growth? It was around the end of the renaissance that people began again to feel liberated and began to feel that. Hey we can create stuff. We can find a better way to produce this or we can find a better thing to produce and I'm sorry to say the Church that time wasn't very happy with that idea but eighteen hundred. Almost everybody was sort of renaissance guy and it was okay to go off on your own thing. The idea of voyaging into the unknown a lot of innovating was is just the excitement of it. The Fun of it the curiosity of it. It wasn't to make money but the spirit of innovation did ultimately feed the economy after pollyannaish. Wars came to a stop. The British economy got going again and my God it was just crazy. New Steam engines engines and railway lines. And of course one thing led to another the needs of the trains created people thinking about how to solve those problems. Salem's so why did innovation flourished in some places and not in others. There are of course a million possible factors Phelps discovered one particularly interesting factor in the surveys. He conducted his research. Those a question about did you think that it's important for your children to be obedient. And it turns out that the countries where families prize obedient children. Those countries threes are low in innovation. I've loved that result so the spirit of being willing to if not necessarily break a rule. Well at least being willing to look at something from a different perspective Yes yes right. But Phelps found that as history progressed as their came to be more and larger firms tasked with doing the innovation. There came to be less of it. The nature of innovating has changed a bit between the nineteenth century. And where we are now does seem as if production is now organized around big firms. So where's an innovator header to fit in there these giant firms kind of imagine that they can compose the innovation by a plan. Actually I I don't think that works out very well. Ordinary people in ordinary firms are not as keen about finding better ways to do things better products to make something happen to the excitement. There's been some sort of a decline in the mindset in the attitudes of people and as a result we have this Melendez in the economy and so we need to work on that. Indeed Phelps and other economists argue that the overall pace of innovation and has slowed. We discussed this in an earlier episode called. Are we running out of ideas. But when you look at Phelps as data on human flourishing shing and Eric Mun hip was data on home innovation. You start to think that maybe innovation hasn't slowed. It's just that a great deal of it is happening in people's homes where it doesn't figure into the innovation and productivity data. One reason that economists have historically overlooked household innovation is that it doesn't figure in the prevailing theory of innovation that was put forth in the early twentieth century by the influential economist. Joseph Schumpeter under Schumpeter's idea was that when scientists and navigators discover something new then countries agrees with very zealous. Eager entrepreneurs will work out the commercial applications. It's of the scientific discovery as so in that vision of the economy. Nobody as got any really in deep imagination they might be good at figuring out how to make some gadget work but they don't have great great imaginative powers only scientists have imagination and I'm repelled by that idea or Fai really and I like to insist insist probably go too far but I like doing says that the great masses of people have imagination and if they're in the economy a and in firms that are receptive to new ideas many of them much of the time we'll have ideas of their own. Do you think trumpeter was wrong wrong or just wrong for his time. I think he was wrong. Yes I mean what we really have is a complimentary tree kind of innovation paradigms which has been invisible to economics. That's Eric Von hip again. He too thinks that trumpeter was wrong. MM or at least the theory of innovation was woefully incomplete around where innovation really happens I invented myself and I didn't like the idea that supposedly Rosalie it was companies. Who did it and also I would see these scientific instrument makers coming in to MIT labs but they weren't trying to sell something they they were trying to figure out what the scientists had developed? And so when I got into economics and business and so on and saw this standard mantra of producers Sienese it just didn't fit but if an innovation expert like von Hippo could see the value of home innovation y. Why couldn't mainstream economists? It's invisible because nobody's pricing anything. Nobody's selling anything so they simply didn't know so the lesson seems to be if you are a government that's trying to measure innovation find a way to include home innovators and if you're a firm that thinks of itself if is a great innovator you're probably not as great as you think and you would do well by getting out of your office and into the homes of inventors around the world you can start with our listeners. Hi My name's Ahmad of lover Kerry and I'm a seventeen year old high school from New Delhi India. Modern says his bedroom was Messi and his parents were always after him to clean it up instead of actually cleaning up my room I decided to build my own burglar alarm so that anytime. My parents walked into the room. This is really really annoying. Alarm would go off coming up after the break more home inventions. You WanNa know about including a useful useful tool for diabetics. Also what invention can do for your soul. We'll be right back you're listening. 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The smartest way to hire as we've been hearing home innovation is an important but undervalued part of the economy you might think that in this era of astounding technologies allergies and automation. And all the rest. There wouldn't be much need for tinkers but you'd be wrong as we discovered when we asked our listeners to send in the voice memo about their home invasions we received many many many submissions from all over. The world. Here is a very small sampling. My name is again I live on a ranch. I have several hundred feet of unpaved road. And it's just a pain to be pulling out these heavy garbage cans every single week. He's so I've outfitted this traditional go kart with and camera and robotic arm on it. So that I can operate a remotely Monday Ms Carlton Tinsel and I invented an alarm clock. That's pressure sensitive and will only turn off and stop beeping when I actually get out of bed. So there's there's no off switch no switch only way to get it to stop is to get up my name. Is Jim Hassle wire. I live in a town for Collins. Colorado that is is known for having a train. Line that runs literally through the middle of town and create subsequent traffic. Backups since the railroad company would not share schedule Angela. Information with the city. I mounted a camera on my house and wrote software watches for trains and sends out alerts via twitter when a train is approaching. My name is Jim Dent. I probably invent to some degree or another on a weekly basis. I constructed a passenger seat on my lawn. More with the a safety rail so my grandchildren can ride along on the more with me safely. I recently constructed what I refer to as rolling storage panels to organize a range accords hoses chains and other things in my workshop. Currently working on portable work platform I can attached to my track through news for trimming fruit trees. Picking through and then there's motto of our seventeen year old friend from New Delhi the burglar alarm alarm to keep his parents out of his messy bedroom wasn't his only invention. I've always been a maker and tinkerer and I've built these crazy contraptions at home since I can. I remember it started when he was five. He wanted to be cookies but his parents wouldn't let him use the oven because he was five. So what did he do. I then took some some cardboard and aluminum foil and Hack together my own homemade oven. I then bake mountain chocolate chip cookies using the sun's Bowo and although the cookies were really bad it was a victory for me. 'cause I built something at home to solve my own problems when he was older. His father got frustrated. That motto always left the lights on in his room when he went out. If I was a normal teenager I probably would have just made an effort to switch off the lights and fans in my room but instead took out my raspy by twenty five dollars computer the size of credit card and hacked away for hours on end designing circuits attaching motors and coding software. After a couple of weeks I finally had had a homemade voice controlled home automation system in my room so that I could literally be ironman. And Tell Jarvis to switch off the lights and fans this device actually st worked out so well that a couple of my mom's friends came into my room to test it out and even asked me if I could make one for Dini's daughters rooms and they they were willing to pay so for some people. Invention is a way to reduce friction in their lives for some. It's an outlet for for creative energies and for others it's a necessity because they can't rely on companies to come up with the products. They need to keep them. I'm healthy or alive. There are over a million medical innovators because of rare diseases. That again is the not innovation scholar. Eric von Hypol- there thousands of rare diseases. These are never going to become markets that companies care about it is legal in the United States to create gate and disseminate a medical device without FDA approval as long as no money is exchanged. This von Hypnosis has led to a vibrant community of medical nickel home. Innovators one of his favourite inventions is an artificial pancreas. In the case of the artificial pancreas. What was going on was was that people were dying overnight because they would miscalculate manually insulin? They needed the people. He's talking about are diabetic. They they take synthetic insulin. Because their pancreas doesn't produce enough insulin naturally to regulate their blood sugar levels their blood. Sugar would drop overnight. Even though they they had a juice box or a source of sugar on their bedside table if they woke up too late their muscles wouldn't work to reach it. If I could just drink the juice box would be fine but I was paralyzed but St Louis. She's been diabetic since she was fourteen. And so it was just this terrible feeling laying there paralyzed in the dark doc and then thankfully I woke up. It was just a dream but it was this horrifying nightmare that then primed me that. I can't live this way that that nightmare. Turn Louis into an inventor. I'm one of the creators and founders of the open source artificial pancreas movement open source. Meaning the code and Schematics for this. Artificial pancreas are freely available online. This might lead you to think. Lewis is a scientist of some sort or at least a programmer. So I had a background on health communications. It's not technical not programming at all. She did take some programming courses in college but most of the skills she deployed in making. Her artificial pancreas were self-talk. I was always asked by people. Why doesn't your pump and your CGM? The continuous glucose monitor talk to each other. And I'm like well it just it doesn't i. It didn't have access to my data at the time so once I found somebody who had figured out how to reverse engineer and get the data off device and he was willing to share his code. That's that's what I was like. Okay all these ideas plans. I had to build these systems to make life with diabetes better. That was the easy part I had already built an algorithm based on seeing my glucose data to tell me the human how much insulin dose and we met somebody else who said Hey. I figured out a way to talk to this insulin pump. And the often we were able to put all the pieces together of talked at the pump talk to the C.. GM put her in the middle and automate the insulin dosing. It's not rocket science. It was actually really really straightforward and really simple but really the effective once. You unleash that first solution that first problem solving it just kind of cascades from there it may strike you as strange that the artificial pancreas. I didn't already exist. Diabetes is not a rare disease more than thirty million people in the US alone habit. So why did it fall to home. Innovators like Louis to come up with it. and not some big medical device company companies were working on the same type of solutions. We were but it takes a very long longtime to innovate on medical device hardware. We manage to do it on our own using off the shelf hardware a little over two years before the first commercial system John was submitted to the regulatory body. And we're still waiting on kind of the next round of the first generation devices to come out and five years later right to Eric. Von tipples point point about the complementary relationship between home innovators and firms Dina Lewis and her Cohen vendors have licensed their algorithm to healthcare companies to use their devices. We very specifically decided not to commercialize because commercializing would make us regulated but we licensed it so that not only individuals could use it but also the companies could use it and we're starting to see examples where the companies have actually taken our code and our ideas ported into their systems and rent it side by side and said wow you know in twenty percent of these cases your code outperformed ours so let's figure out how to bring those ideas into our code and make our system even better and that is a huge win. It doesn't matter that they're making money off the whole point to help people with diabetes so somebody commercials is is it great for not trying to compete. We're trying to fill the gap. We're trying to get you to move faster. And in some cases we have actually succeeded succeeded in helping companies move faster and helping the regulatory authorities move more quickly reviews and understand the needs and the demands of this technology in the problems that these is technologies are going to actually meet so as we've heard people who invent things at home are driven by all sorts of things l.. nece curiosity outwitting their parents and making hard things easier also just having fun but these one more thing thing that may drive them a sort of existential urge I think people a lot of feel bereft of experiences as of real agency at work and so they come home and make something or tend to garden or building edition on their house in order to you get some of that experience of being able to point to something say I did that and there was no committee involved. That's Matthew Crawford. He's the author of more personal book about human flourishing than Edmund Phelps his book it's called Shop Class as sole craft an inquiry into the value of work. How did he come to that? So I did a degree in physics and couldn't get a job but the physics degrees so I worked as an electrician for awhile and and then it got interested in philosophy and went to Chicago Absolutely loved Grad school but once again couldn't get a job using that I finally landed a job at a think tank tank in. DC hated that. After five months. I quit to open name motorcycle repair shop so it took him only five months to realize he wanted wanted more visceral work than think-tank could offer. I would say it took less than a week but yeah I mean I figured I should try to save faced by sticking it out. A little bit Crawford has been wrestling with ever. Since is how progress economic and technological progress in particular have changed the shape of the human experience so the great innovation of the assembly line was to separate thinking from doing going to break these tasks down into little discreet jobs that could be performed really without much skill or knowledge before that people in automobile manufacturing were all around mechanics and fabricators who basically had more or less complete sort of mental ownership of their own jobs. This changed income. Just a blue collar workers. The whole point of scientific management management as it was called in the twentieth century was two separate thinking from doing. That's the basic dynamic that has now spread the white collar work where so many former professionals are reduced to clerks more-or-less. There are of course many upsides to this massive change in how things things are done. You don't need to know how to rebuild a carburetor to drive your car you don't need to know computer science to operate your computer specialization. Tation and standardization have made many wonderful things available and affordable transportation medicine entertainment on non non all in the service of convenience. I guess it's this idea that this will free you up to do something you know of your own but I mean what is the point of that Mike. How far do we WANNA go in relieving ourselves of involvement in our own World Crawford argues? It's very easy to go too far to fight this trend at least in his own life. He's been working on a project for the last eight years. I've been building a car based on W. Beetle but sort of radically reengineer to near I mean it's been education in various industrial processes is going to have about five times. The horsepower a mixing imagine parts from a lot of different kinds of cars and of course making a lot more rigid and strong to withstand. All this talk is going to have. He admits his project. Checked is excessive. Even he doesn't advocate. We all build our own cars but he says sometimes you need to go to extremes to figure out some essential truths about life. That's what projects like this are really about. I think they encourage a kind of deep cognitive ownership over your staff and I think we're sort of missing that feeling that you truly own something. There's something deeply satisfying about being responsible for something and and knowing it all the way down for what it's worth there's also a growing body of evidence showing that simply doing physical tasks. It's just vacuuming the floor. Chopping onions are doing some gardening that these activities improve cognitive function. It may be the physical activity itself. More likely it's the sense of accomplishment. No matter how small yet another reason why Eric von Hippo I would like to see America and the world increase its volume of home production so we said in the US sixteen million people innovating about thirty million innovations. They do two year but that's a small fraction of all the people. US So how can the rest of us get on board award. Even if we're not natural inventors the kind of people who will make an automated woodcutter in some cases it may be as simple as giving yourself permission. People put up with a Lotta stuff in their lives when they'd like something to be different but it doesn't occur to them that they might be able to change it but but hippo would also like to see Systemic encouragement the idea is to make innovation an easier for people who do not have technological skills. And that's going on now with what I call. toolkits people are making tools which are less and less demanding of technical skills. Now why does is anybody care. Well here you are in effect subsidizing and you know with patents and so on your subsidizing producer already so to create a level playing field. You ought to know where this stuff is coming from. And then you ought to do stuff for that that sector to and what form would that stuff take. You WanNa home innovator subsidy of some sort no I think what you want is open standards hundreds you want easy places to post designs. You want information about activities of others so that people can get together more easily so you can see what everybody's saying everybody else. You can begin to figure out how to contribute. There's lots of stuff that you could do if this were understood to be an innovation system. I just think this whole thing is so exciting and it something that people have to know about. It's not just restricted to firms. Knowing about it it's people they have to understand how important this activity can be that they can do it. I wouldn't want to dissuade swayed people from thinking big like. Hey maybe we could build a railway that goes across the country that again is Edmund. Phelps The economist right and fan of human flourishing but most innovation is not like that and. I'm always a little bit disturbed when I see somebody compiling a list of the great innovations in the nineteenth century for example. Yes those were great innovations. But I'm I'm sure that they don't add up to his larger contribution as all those little innovations that we never hear about. Don't know the names of don't know the people who hit upon the idea. Those innovations are much much more important in America. People don't realize that Silicon Valley produces maybe five percent of the gross domestic product. Most to to the growth most of the national income is generated by other people and other places in very different kinds of firms making things. We never heard love if we can get back to an economy where lots of people are thrilled to death at change and want to create some of it themselves themselves. That's GonNa be far more important than what Silicon Valley will be doing in terms of gross domestic product and national the income and also in terms of having fun. Yeah let's not forget the fun remember. How the Indian teenager Manav Lava Curry dealt with his messy bedroom? I spent hours making the soak. It for an alarm that was connected to my door so that anytime I barons walked into the room. There's really really annoying alarm would go off so was it successful. It was a success because the next game back from school the alarm was still going off and my parents. It's were begging me to switch it off coming up next time on freakonomics radio. The Gospel is that everybody hates taxes. Some of the earliest things we know about societies have to do with tax evasion Asian. 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That's the way most people are and the city gang just stood in his way and Sopo up. We got a We we gotta have sprinklers. We need sprinklers. In here there needs to be a professional fire suppression system. That would cost. God knows how much money right. And it's like yeah that's a nice idea and everything but it's getting cold out. It's freezing cold out. We need to get people in here. You WanNa die or do you want to risk you WANNA risk Possibly being killed by fire. I'd rather possibly being killed by freezing to die for sure outside so to the guys credit. He actually ignored the the city and through the doors of the homeless shelter. Open anywhere else and actually brought in You know two hundred one hundred fifty or however many. It was the first year. And that's what got the attention was like. Wow I've gotTA support this this organization if the guy running else that was What one hundred nights was one hundred ninety? Okay so takes crypto currency by. I was GONNA say they. We are one hundred nine hundred used their services but the service they provide valuable and contribute to them on a monthly basis. They do take take bitcoin. They do take bitcoin cash. Yeah I've I've contributed crypto to them a number of times over the course of the past six months. I think you can go to one hundred nights nights dot org if I recall correctly. That's the website if you wanted to learn more about them But yeah these private solutions are Hamstrung by government goons who are standing in the way of people helping people. It's Oh you don't have permission. You can't help your neighbors that's crazy at it. Can't put up the tiny homes even though it's on private property pretty right. Oh you don't have a permit for them. Oh absolutely permit. You can't have a permit for that. We will decide what the politicians come out and say. It's absolutely insane and I don't know if that's a subsidy to the home construction industry or what it is. How can it be subsidy? The construction industry is. They're not they're they're not even being allowed to build either for the homeless. They'll build if you pay him enough that you pay the city fillets you build a house. Oh so you think that okay. So you're saying that it's trying to four forced. I people to buy a full sized house right by tiny home. By full-size. Yeah that's true. I I think in some cases it could just be like the blatant naked exercise of power. Where like I mean like not not every single city Zoning Board or Commissioner City Council's going to have some sort of financial stake in people building houses? But you you mean like a city councillor who might be a realtor. Yeah I'm just I'm just I'm just saying that's certainly that's certainly a possibility. I'm sure it happens. I just think a lot of the other times or not a lot of if you ever type thing another thing to think about is power the ability to say. You can't do your own property. They love exercising. Do but you know I think I do want to point out that if if you look at like even keen in the last election here for mayor who did we have run a realtor a property owner who rents it's out a lot of properties in keene. There's a reason these people want to have control because they want to inhibit competition. It's not even just about what basically what happens is when you inhibit the construction of homes. Now this is an interesting property owners but your value goes up right So that's another reason why they don't want new construction because they're protected. They're protecting their own interests even when they're not construction in the construction industry. We're going to talk more about downstream. Yeah we have more on this Homeless story because again private property. We've just barely touched on this. Is the solution here. You don't want bums unless relation puking out in front of Your Business Regularly well there is a way to solve this problem. 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Yes Yeah Los Angeles Times Being reported over at MSN about a court decision that has been appealed. Now so is the Ninth Circuit Court ruling. That governments can If there's no room left in homeless shelters can give people the right supposedly to just camp out on public property and that includes on sidewalks. Now I imagine that they are going join to stop them from camping out in the middle of the street because that's generally considered disorderly conduct. If you stop the flow of traffic you know I have have to wonder if like the I mean it. Sounds like the way that he ruled effectively. They can't be charged with anything effectively. It doesn't matter like what it is that they do They meaning the homeless. Yeah so they'd be committing any number of offenses assist and cops can't really do anything. I don't know specifically talking about the laws that are designed to criminalize being homeless and those laws do exist in in different places so I don't know if they're going to let did not say they say specifically about the rights to camp effectively on public property on public property pretty in the show and and the sidewalk specifically. Yeah so it would be in climbing e okay. Yeah so I mean it sounds to me like it's more than just It could lead down the path where you're able to like Papa tent right up in the middle of the highway. I mean that could be where this goes mentioned underpasses underpasses because I was reading up on Austin Texas's homeless policy and they said mentioned something like no underpasses and that's I know that seems like a perfect place for them to you. Think it's protected from the rain right protected from cars for no-one. no-one hangs out there ever been homeless people ever been kids. Doing Drugs So yeah it's it's just odd. They always specify specify not under underpasses. Oh and that's kind of funny because there were there's I forget what city it is but there was some city in this is probably. It's not the problem is more than just one city eh There's there's a case I was reading about where they basically outlawed people on the sex offender lists from being within a certain distance from schools goals and playgrounds and things like that. The problem with that is that they have to register to register an address like when they're on the sex offender list. Well the only replace they can. Effectively Register is under bridge bridge because there's excluded Riley other plan that's not that's not considered cruel and unusual punishment because it's not considered punishment because because it's crazy. Don't ask me but yeah but it's sort of an interesting related note because they've also been sleeping under which I I don't know if that particular said he has but I wouldn't be surprised if they also have that Los Angeles and other cities have asked the court to take up the case and the Supreme Court is now going to do that. The ninth circuit has jurisdiction fiction in nine Western states from Alaska Arizona. The appeals court's ruling struck down a city. Ordinance in Boise Idaho. That made it a misdemeanor to camp or sleep on sidewalks walks parks or other places without permission. Such ordinances are common in other cities and towns. The case began a decade ago when Robert Martin and five other homeless individuals joined going to suit after they were given fines of twenty. Five to seventy five dollars for violating Boise's Anti Camping Ordinance Los Angeles Attorney Thin Evangelist partner her Gibson Dunne who represented the city called the Ninth Circuit's decision quote both nonsensical and unworkable unquote as and said that it handcuffed city city officials and police who are trying to cope with the homeless crisis she filed an appeal petition urging the High Court to hear the case and overturn the Appeals Court's decision quote the creation of a defacto constitutional right to live on the sidewalks and in parks will cripple the ability of more than sixteen hundred municipalities in the ninth circuit to maintain the health and safety of their communities public encampments have spawned crime and violence incubated disease and created environmental hazards that threaten the lives and wellbeing L. being a Both of those living on the streets and the public at large and I don't think they're necessarily wrong by saying that I mean there's no doubt that some of the most undesirable circumstances have attracted some of the most undesirable people whether it was you know their choice or not To be in those places places but that's ultimately what has happened and it's not a pretty pretty sight as you said Chris you've seen how bad it's gotten in cities like Portland and Seattle Mark Edge one of our co says. It's just awful in Portland with literally people with tents on the streets. Of course I believe skid row. I've never seen I personally. But it's in Los Angeles has had that going on for decades where people are just down there Los Angeles ten. Yeah Yeah. So it's it's it's pretty awful but no solution proposed by the state here is going to really solve this because no statist it is going to propose. Hey here's an idea guys. Let's get rid of public property. poof problem solved. Because it's if it's private property you have have the right to tell somebody. Hey get out here buddy. Honestly I think you're asking too much in. I'm just. I would just be happy if they allow the fricking permits to build the homeless shelters in the first place and start getting in the way an increasing the costs and taxing the homeless shelter. So they can't afford to operate and everything else that hinder the Homeless in the first place but again that doesn't solve the problem of the chosen homeless. So yeah I would agree with you on. Then you've got this court that's going to decide one way or the other either either. The cities are going to be able to force chosen homeless people into a home. Yeah which is against their liberty or they're going to force you know or allow if you will homeless people to live on public property which of course causes a huge problem for business and for residential areas as much as as much as as much as I like the idea of getting rid of public property I would rather just focus on. Getting rid of the things actually cost us a lot of money like schools public schools And things of that nature because that's public property right. Yeah that's what that's what they they claim gyms the auditorium. You go why not. The crazy thing is low like the schools. It's not it's it's mostly welfare from middle class class. Sure families. It's absolutely insane I don't have a problem so much with like helping people out who are actually needed. But that's not what we're doing. We're we're literally redistributing it's socialism it's communism. It's what the Communists did you know. Money from the crazy thing is. It's mostly being taken from the middle class anyway. So it's like it's basically just redistributing adding this additional cost except you have a middleman of teachers unions and behold right which which increases the costs of running during the Public School System Avai ghetto vis vis vis teachers. You Know I. I work with Back when I did substituting work all demanding more money. Elizabeth Warren says one of her campaign ane platforms is to give teachers more money to pay teachers more money. They always complain saying that they deserve to make more money than accounts ver ver saving saving children right versus fixing children. It's absolutely insane. What I'm not saying? This is true across the board but what some teachers are making being between their pension benefits and their salary is just. It's absolutely insane. I mean we're talking about millions of dollars pension value over the course of basically a retired schoolteachers. You know a post career lifespan. Wherever they've got left is over a million dollars basically in many cases where the benefits? So it's it's very I mean like I'm sorry but like there's very few people who you know in the in the private sector. We're making money like I will. I shouldn't shouldn't say easy but it's very it's very comfortable job. Claiming it's easy and I think. Oh well I just laugh to work as a year right. They're only there for half a year and that's up to paid for. That's the thing I don't necessarily I'm not trying to. I don't think I don't think it's fair to say it's an easy job but I think it is unfair to say that they should be making a six figure salary when they're not working. You know three hundred sixty five well not closer to comparative anything average in the private sector like lumberjack ings. 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It's a pretty important story especially for people in cities where they have these ordinances that essentially prohibit homeless people from being in public places like living on the sidewalk or order in a city park or something like that and at least twenty according to the Los Angeles Times at least twenty friend of the court. Briefs were filed in this particular the case that is now going all the way up to the Supreme Court. It was based on the city of Boise. But it could've been anywhere because there's a lot of these cities that that have these ordinances that essentially make it illegal for homeless people to be or sleep or whatever set up camp in certain spots. And that's what's being appealed because the ninth circuit actually ruled in favor of saying well if the city doesn't have any space for them in their homeless shelters. Then you gotta let them live in the streets. You GotTa let them live on the sidewalk in in front of people's businesses which is crazy. But that's what they're saying and of course. The only other option is to say that. Oh it's totally fine. Go arrest people peaceful people for just trying to live in the park. 'CAUSE I don't care if a homeless person is living in the forest that doesn't get in the way of anybody seems like a better a place for them. Yeah well it's not as convenient to the bar or the convenience store right so nice give you better for them to be living in the park than in the talking. The I'm saying for the homeless person whose priority is to get drunk everyday. It's more convenient to live near the bar right. I would think they wouldn't be serving serving. Well Yeah I don't know it's question. Homeless people begged for money. Yeah they're gonNA take it into the bar or the convenience store and they're gonNA buy alcohol gas station. I remember at a homeless camp by stayed at once wants their favorites was they would get visas tall boys for like two dollars or a buck fifty and it was like Milwaukee's pretty exactly what it was. She pissed possibly at European gas station Russian and anytime they had an extra money they would do they. St Ave stayed away from the hard liquor. Because that's moving up problems with but anytime they had beer money was immediately to the like. Oh I mean this was Hanover anniversary bars. You know would more expensive but yeah. I don't imagine homeless people going to bars just in general anyway expensive to buy. You're probably right going to the convenience store but either either way. The convenience store is located right next to the park. It's located in downtown. Or whatever right so and they can beg easier of their their downtown. No I don't about these these cities so much but certainly I'm aware of keen in keene. It seems like they actually go like they walk up pretty far distance from where they usually hang out and where you know housing and so forth is in the city you basically go down over the West other side of the city just to do the begging being really yeah. I don't know when you get on and off the on ramps. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. Well it's because there's a lot of large amount of traffic but I just I find it interesting because like you know suggest that they're not willing to go You know a dishonor some art. They're all different. Yeah you're probably right but it just seems like there's such a consistency NC homeless being there. I don't know it seems like it's hard to imagine that live in the woods. It seemed like we're stereotyping. Like almost because it doesn't seem like I mean I guess they were my attention to serve anecdotal Stories like somewhere in Vermont for resumes during Veterans Day. In my high school we had veterans sock conversa- versus like a whole colony living underneath a bridge. That was like iovine old bridge in the woods. And that was the only vows the only way he's veterans he's combat vets who had like PTSD in all sorts of issues. That was the only way that they live. It couldn't live a normal society. They had to live in a camp structure of a had to just live away from a non non vets. And you know it's most probably for the best for everyone you'll Vam and via won't say regular people but That had a space for themselves so we heard the argument from the cities in this case. Again bunch of cities filed friend of the court briefs in this case saying well you know we neither. We need to have the ability to enforce these laws to clean up the streets. These guys are crapping everywhere But the attorneys for the homeless the High Court should turn away the appeal they argue. The cities are giving a distorted and dramatically. overwrought reading of the Ninth Circuit's decision. Maria Foscarini Executive Director of the National Law Center on homeless and poverty so the ruling quote rests on the front fundamental principle. That you can't criminalize people because of their status in this case it's the status of being human with no place to live. She said she'd hoped the ruling would prevent cities from quote. Going down the path of Criminalization Station when dealing with homelessness the justices will also consider the appeal by. We'll consider the appeal behind closed doors. That's normal really. Yeah that's that's public hearings for the Supreme Court Yen at standard interesting. I didn't know that. Because here in New Hampshire the Supreme Court in New Hampshire. You can go to State Court. This is not a state court I understand that yes so I don't I don't know what the rules are. The Supreme Court a yeah Other states might be that way to New Hampshire different. Although they could decide on Friday to consider consider the case. They're unlikely to well. Okay I guess considering. The appeal is different than hearing the appeal right. So like right New Hampshire has a hearing. But you don't get to hear the judges debate one another. You only get to hear the judges ask questions of the attorneys. That's what happens in in New Hampshire's court so that ration- yeah okay. You know what I'm thinking of actually is the actual trials. They don't allow the cameras in at the federal level federal. Yeah you can't even get an audio recorder into Federal Court. Courtroom Justices Sir could decide on Friday to consider the case. They are unlikely to announce a decision for at least another week. Four votes on the night. Okay I'm sorry I thought they'd already decided to to consider the case story here did have so the there was a lower court that did make a decision on something or other there and then this is whether or not it's going to be seen. They haven't necessarily accepted the case. Yes I think this is like the Supreme Court whereas other was just as a federal circuit ruled in favor of the homeless Los Angeles Attorney said. He's urged the court to take up the case because the city is seeking clarity. The Ninth Circuit's opinion was confusing and at times contradictory. He said adding it was unclear whether police could enforce any or some laws against people living in the streets Los Angeles cannot promise it can provide shelter for all of thirty six thousand homeless people people who are living on the streets. That's more than the p the number of people that live in the city of keene. 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So then they subpoena Donald Trump's papers because they want approve that this other person they subpoena with relation to his own Papers with regard to the impeachment inquiry papers. Are we talking about here. Your any any White House records that they want for their for their inquiry and he says no and he says they can't subpoena him because he's special. Yes we can no. You can't yes we can no you can't and so they hold him in contempt and of course they can't enforce that on him. Am 'cause he's special. Yes we can no. You can't yes we can. No you can't and then don't wait until the January and they invite him on it for the State of the Union address and he gets up there and he's babbling away about what a great job he's been doing managing the economy. and signing this and presiding over the government and he's on live camera and millions of people are watching all over the world would nippy hilarious if the sergeant at arms goes up there with the US Capitol police and they cuff him and take him away for one. What basis were I think secondly even if even if let's say they were able to get capital police to do that? I imagined VAT corrupt diversity. Reason why trump is surrounded by marines and private security. You know what was it to Eric. Prince whose via founder of of what was the Blackwater and whatever it's called a he's very close to trump so trump could have his own personal private military ss. The Marines answered directly to President. So I don't think under any circumstance trump well maybe not under any but I find it highly doubt it that trump is just gonNa let himself get arrested. It's never going to happened because it's all just for show. People said trump never would have gone elected and I would never say never. It's unlikely I say I think it's very highly it back up a moment so let me let me let me catch up on this is is this just more Democrat nonsense or is impeached or something like is there. News is not been okay so then what why why is this. Conversation can paying no attention to filed articles I believe or at least in the process and maybe the caller caller knows more filing all failed to familiar report. Now that they're pulling the Ukraine thing sort of out of out of thin they have nothing and it won't matter anyway because as was pointed out the Senate is controlled by the Republicans so even if they do come down with the impeachment on on trump. It won't go anywhere in won't actually be. He won't be convicted in the Senate right so I think it's already done before it's even happening but but if it happens it's only happening for political political reason it's possible that string turncoat. Republicans Republicans who hate trump were being blackmailed. or or whatever think I do think it's possible depending on what a poll at its current rate. I don't think so I would turncoat. Republicans I mean. The ones that in theory might do something. Wouldn't they also be putting their own reelection in jeopardy in that case because the Republicans have gotten behind trump right like. There's a tremendous amount of support. begrudgingly begrudgingly but I mean the the rank and file while I'm talking about the you have many Republicans who are retiring early now when it's very inopportune for them to do so and diverse some speculation that something's being held against them verse some incentive for them to drop out more Republicans that Resigned what we've been universe via more power more Leverage Democrats get so I thank if yes for because they just be replaced by being replaced by Republicans because then they'd have to be in the Senate. There was a senator or who retired due to health issues and I saw the headline it was posted in our crypto chat. Grew group here in the area because I guess the the woman who who was pre selected to replace the senator. I think it was Georgia. One of the southern states She was selected to replace him. She's like a Crypto CEO. Or something like Oh yeah. Yeah Yeah I mean she's awful from what I am pro war pro wall pro this pro the all these you know pro government stuff so like it's not good news or anything like that but I'm sure the guy she replaced was also awful so I do believe I mean I. It's open oh but eventually that's going to be open so I think zero sum game. That doesn't mean that the Democrat will get it it just. It's an opportunity for somebody to get in. You know if it's a Republican district the odds the Democrat Credit GonNa win is GonNa win pretty slim in the same way. The odds are Republican winning a seat in California things are I mean like you know it was via the governor when Louisiana Democrat Louisiana's been a red state for men for many decades it has now a Demo Democrat Governor Alabama. It's it's been a red state for decades and Lou Lou for strangers. I forget the guy's but has the rest of the state. Legislature changed out just as the governor changes out doesn't doesn't mean that I'm just saying that vs. RV's or anything town key. New Hampshire is a hard left town for four New Hampshire Bon. They elected a Republican again. This year to to the the May oral see in fact. I think the mayor's Republican yes. Yes well I mean yeah I mean anything but yeah I mean it's a crapshoot so just because it's in a Republican district doesn't necessarily mean it's going to go to a Republican. I don't care either way because they're all awful. It doesn't matter you. I mean we're telling me I'm just talking dogma in regards to the callers question Tom. I appreciate trump in the Democrats and the deep state or whatever you WANNA call it. Yeah I mean whoever wins. We Lose Sean. Hannity Kabuki Kabuki Theater and yeah it doesn't matter who wins the freedom will go will be lesser regardless of whether it's Democrats or Republicans because the Democrats Democrats hate trump right now but they're going to love all the power that trump has aggregated to the presidency wants. Democrat gets in control and they're they're they're advocating to even more than what trump has done so indeed all right so back to the homeless story and then we'll get into the face scanning technology coming up here in a moment but a little bit more background around the right to sleep on. Sidewalks is not a new issue according to the Los Angeles Times for La in two thousand six the ninth circuit handed down a similar ruling in the different case called Jones versus Los Angeles. Where the appeals court said at that time that the city could not enforce an ordinance against homeless individuals quote for involuntarily sitting lying and sleeping being in public rather than appeal that case the city reached a settlement with the attorneys who brought suit and they agreed to not enforce restrictions on sleeping or camping from nine pm until so six? Am that rule remains in force in their brief to the High Court. Cities Attorney suggested the earlier ruling contributed to the current crisis in Los Angeles quote as a resolve the Jones Litigation La has experienced firsthand. Eleven years of grappling with the delicate balance required when public sidewalks served to essentially incompatible functions. The sidewalks talks are home to thousands of unsheltered residents and their belongings while at the same time serving as the access way for wheelchair-bound pedestrians who need passable sidewalks children who need safe passage school and business owners who require accessible storefronts tragedy of the comments. This is it this. This is what happens when they're supposed public. Property is constantly struggle and it gets worse overtime with how should be used. What's the appropriate appre use for these things now? Some bureaucrats are going to make a decision at the Supreme Court. Eight fifty five four fifty free. That's eight five. Four five zero three seven three. This is free talk. Would you like to get back that full head of hair from years. Past introducing reveal from G. C. N. Life Dot Com. Beverly Hills dermatologist. Dr Nathan Newman invented. Reveal reveal which contains poly peptides with natural botanical and no parabens sulfates. 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Talk Live and you can bring up whatever you want right here. The toll free number is eight hundred fifty five four fifty free like freedom. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three. We have the discord call in line rooms over ads. discord dot L. R. N.. Dot Fm with you in the studio tonight. You've got Ian and Chris and Vincent coming up mm-hmm face scanning technology and it's apparently may be coming to an airport near you. I have not seen the story but Chris you're GONNA be telling us about it on the way here. Sounds or William Creepy. It is very disturbing. So that's on the way we've been talking about people living in the street living on sidewalks sidewalks living in public parks. And there's a there's a case that's coming up in front of the Supreme Court this week or they're deciding whether they want to take it and if they don't take it then. That means that the Appeals Court ruling from the ninth circuit would stand and if the Appeals Court ruling stands then essentially that means that the city or whatever cities we're talking about here in the Ninth Circuit That if they want to enforce rules against homeless people sleeping in the streets reits they have to have a place for them to go. meaning that if there's a homeless shelter that the city's running or some homeless shelter private maybe and the city says all right well homeless person you space for you. You've got to go there so get going or we're going to force you you to to go there. That's essentially what the as I understand that. What the court has said if there isn't any room then that means the homeless person is allowed to sleep right right there on the sidewalk and as Los Angeles has pointed out here the city of Los Angeles? They don't have enough room for their thirty-six thousand homeless people. Boise was the original city that that brought the case. There's dozens of cities. Of course that have signed on saying we need the ability to force these homeless people off sidewalks. Because this is they point out here. What about people in wheelchairs? Who Need to get down the sidewalk? They've got to get from point. A. To Point B. and there's some homeless guy laying under a blanket playing with himself or whatever I have to wonder I mean it's a great example of like a scenario where like like I can kinda understand you know. Oh Yeah we keep sidewalks free for wheel. How many wheelchair? I really have to wonder how much of a problem this actually is. A problem. If you're in a wheelchair You can't ride that in the streets very easily. It's highly dangerous right right right. And there's some guy stretched across the sidewalk. I mean AH usually guys so this is my experience. Okay I go into the cities and I walk around but usually the sidewalks are like they're pretty big. There's usually room. I don't usually see see. You know these people who are homeless like preventing me from like you know using the side. You're not cripple I'm not a cripple and that's true but I've never had to step over. A crippled in any of the cities are homeowners. Sorry you know and I don't know like maybe maybe they're still in some places they're taking up too much of a sidewalk but now I'm not saying I'm not saying it doesn't happen but like I haven't seen it and I like somebody who I would like to know. Oh from somebody. I'd like to hear from somebody who actually has living in the cities and whether is opening whether or not they've they are encountering. This is very rare. Does it happen all the time. We're kind of walk around them because there's not enough room on sidewalk and they're just really bad places on the side. We think to some extent you may be okay. Well you don't see it right. We don't see don't live in a place where it's that. I traveled to a lot of cities like all over the place where where he goes residential areas or do business areas. The places where you would expect to see a homeless this person really not necessarily keep someplace nice are worse than others I mean skid row isn't the same as other parts I what is what does square skid row. Is that on the Los Angeles. Do you think you'd find a bunch of Broadway Ri- Broadway or Times Square. That's a very popular place for be plenty of homeless people but no no. There's so many people homeless decided to show up in the middle of the night and just camp there. I I bet you. NYPD is going to kick them out. 'cause it's awful for business right. We're we'RE GONNA kick them out into some four nats that's cases anyway. What time so I mean I reign in Montreal or it might be you think might be thinking of With a heads up the Christmas tree every year most either say Kafelnikov Rockefeller Center. I think it's private depending on. How drunk or drug addled? The homeless homeless person is is going to be a factor on how considerate they are right. Like if this homeless guy is so s face drunk he's going to Plop op wherever he got a plot to fall asleep. Right boom. He's going to get in the way of whoever needs to get in the laugh. The average homeless person if they're not s face or whatever they probably don't want what people stepping on them right so they're probably going to orient themselves in a way that is not going to necessarily take up as much room. But you're going to see it. I've seen it dude definitely seen homeless. Most people just stretched out take up as much of the sidewalk as they possibly can. I said I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I just be beyond. If you're you're care what do you do. I usually sidewalks are like pretty large where I've seen like the homeless tending to. But is there enough room for somebody in a wheelchair to get around. These envy go to the sidewalks. They don't room tonight. The alleyways of parks. It's not like they just say. Hey you know I'm just GonNa Plant on the sidewalk. It's nothing it doesn't happen. He just seems like the places that I think of when I think of like homeless that I've seen over the years seen to be like all off the beaten path. Yeah so that people don't. That's your personal experience. And yes I do. You WanNA point out. This is anecdotal. That's why I'm kind of interested in and more city and I've seen it well and this is why I would love to hear from someone who actually lives in a city. They have not lived in a city. And I've seen it right and I don't. I'm not surprised that you have seen it. I'm just saying I would like to know from who is better than the US to talk radio either the city and beyond beyond being a nuisance for for someone in a wheelchair. Also I've seen news reports about all these is it. Just the high hygienic issues. You've always diseases. That isn't that part of the country is supposed to be eradicated. But because of the poor hygiene you human waste and bodily fluids everywhere. Pin somewhere and it ain't toilet. Yeah I mean. I wouldn't be surprised if he had body play coming back to this country because of all the Just an illness yeah. There was some dude outside of a convenience store the last the last time I was in New York every time. I'm in New York. I see homeless people sleeping in the streets and just splayed out taken up as much room as they don't care which is in New York City New York okay There was a it was outside of Dwayne Reed or something like that one of those our stores middle of the day. Yep some guys just sitting there laying out in his. He's got a blanket or whatever. He's got a bunch of trash bags full of junk that he's just strewn about everywhere and he's just sitting right out in front of the store. I mean it is the most unattractive thing then. They can't do anything of that. They can't get rid of that. That seems to be the problem. The big problem to me is a huge homeless people camping out right. Outside of the businesses at is a huge Not so much them camping out like taking up the whole sidewalk. I using tense. Now I haven't seen that in New York City of what's happening in places for sure I see. Yeah I've seen that in disaster. Exactly well I haven't ever seen that on a sidewalk but I have seen it like attach is and you know on grassy areas like where you probably don't WanNa be. It's definitely definitely happening. The toll free number tight out. Eight fifty five four fifty free and again even if it isn't happening as much as some people might think it is it's still is happening and it becomes an issue shoe. It is an issue who has the right to be in this place. Everybody does is public property so the only solution is to end public property and make it so it's private property and they could so private property owners can make decisions about this. How you do that? Well here's my suggestion. You seed the public property to whatever private property owners are butting it right so if you've got a downtown area with a sidewalk and the street you give the chunk of the sidewalk. That's right out in front of that business to whoever I feel like that's not an entire that's not going to solve. The problem really is not because people break the law regardless of what the law says may get arrested for trespass right but like. That doesn't really solve the problem. It sure as hell does I mean these people get arrested and they get really straightaway. It doesn't really solve the problem if you keep getting arrested in place. You're going to stop going there when it's illegal to be homeless and you have no place to go. You're just GONNA keep getting arrested then you'll go somewhere else where you're not as likely to get arrested. Maybe maybe not quite hope place the place because they get kicked out or people who get fed up with town I honestly like I said I think the problem happens in. The problem is moral on the regulatory front end his own front because they're not allowing shelters built for these people and they're making hoops and the cost the problem public property eighty. That's not a bad idea and you should do that too. We should get rid of zoning. I totally agree. I think that's a bigger I think that's a that's going to be a bigger impact on whether or not there's people living on the streets in maybe so you know taking it off the problem of public property. Even if homelessness isn't a problem public property is still a problem even in a place where homelessness. This is not a problem at all. Yeah it's still an issue because if you don't own your property and the government does they get to decide things so another example of this. Private property isn't really leap. Private to begin with the government asks if owns it anyway taxes. I mean what you're saying. We have a bigger problem than whether or not you agree with you but if you actually let private property owners owners owned the property that's now public they get to decide what to do with it. You WANNA put a sign out. Put the dam site out. You don't have to go beg permission from the government to put a sign on your own property. I mean business. The owners that tried to actually promote their business. They have to jump through all kinds of ridiculous government hoops because it's public property case. It's more here. We'll talk about the face scanners that are coming. You ever feel like you're in jail virtual jail because of your job or maybe your current relationship. We are not allowed to do you really want. 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But we've reinterviewed our last speaker to get an update on where this technology is headed. He's a futurist who says evolution is no longer driven even just by nature but also by human choice. This episode is called how it all began. Hope Joy this is the Ted Radio Hour each week. Groundbreaking Ted Talks Technology Entertainment. Entertainment Design Design. Is that really what. I've never known the delivered at Ted Conferences around the world gift of the human imagination. We've had to believe an impossible wolfing the true nature of reality beckons from just beyond those talks those ideas adapted for radio from NPR. I'm Guy Roz a couple weeks ago. I got a small package in the mail and inside there was a kid. It was a couple of plastic test tubes over a few plastic scrapers some ziplock bags and my instructions. Were to scrape the inside. I of my cheeks up and down for about thirty seconds. And how was that were was great and then send those sticks back to this guy. My Name Ms Dr Spencer Wells and a card carrying explorer the National Geographic Society. And I'm the director of the geographic project. They're the geographic project. At National Geographic has collected cheek swabs from about seven hundred thousand people around the world and in each of those swabs embedded in the DNA eh. There's a story so so so what you find who like. What do I come from? Well I'm looking at your results right now. And so we're analyzing several pieces of your genome on your mother's side you're type is t one B three It's mostly found in southeastern Europe in the Middle East and end. Your subtype is more common in Turkey than elsewhere loud and on your Dad's side you also have a group that's more common in the Middle East so your particular. A combination is closest to Lebanese and Romanians so again pointing to kind of the region around Turkey. So your ancestors would have encountered the neanderthals in the Middle East between forty five and fifty thousand years ago and they bred with them you today or carrying two point seven percent neanderthal DNA. Wow just slightly higher than average Average is two point one percent. You know it's funny. You say that because I I do have some characteristics that I think burn burn. So we're all curious about our roots right and they seem so personal but Spencer's chasing a much Bigger story a story that connects every single one of us to a common origin. You know this is one of those basic human questions like Einstein said that I want to know the thoughts of God all else's detail. This is one of those deep human questions that I feel like we as a species should be trying tried to answer you. Know is the only species in the history of the universe. As far as we know that has ever evolved the capacity. Start to answer these sorts of questions by God we need to be trying to do it. Okay challenge accepted our show today how it all began. Stories and ideas is about our origins who we are what came before us and where we're going as a species. Later in the show Spencer Wells returns turn to explain how in a very short period of time we left Africa and spread out across the planet. But I my name is David Christian Cheon and since one thousand nine hundred nine. I've been teaching courses on the history of the universe and the place of humans inside that story and I call them history. I'm David Christian is a story and his idea. Big History is really about our place in the universe and how small are are part of the story actually is here you are you exist around this star you exist on this planet. You were a member of this species and all of these apart of knowing what you are and eventually of course you'll get to say you were brought up in Australia or in America. All of those stories we need but but we also need this big story and as long as we don't have this big story. It's GonNa be very hard I think for us to understand ourselves as humans So this story David Christian tells begins thirteen point eight billion years ago pitch black darkness. Here's David David on the Ted stage around us. This nothing does not even time or space. Imagine the darkest empties this thing you can and cube it a gazillion times. And that's where we are and then suddenly a universe appears an entire universe and we've crossed our first threshold. The Universe is tiny. It's smaller than an atom. It's incredibly hot. It contains everything that's in today's universe universe it's busting and it's expanding at incredible speed and at first it's just a blur. But very quickly distinct things begin into appear in that blur within the first second energy itself shatters into distinct forces including electromagnetism and gravity And Energy to something else quite magical it congeals to full matter. Kwok's that will create protons and leptons include electrons and. All of that happens in the first second now we move forward three hundred hundred nine hundred thousand years. That's twice as long as humans have been on this planet and now simple atoms appear of hydrogen and helium. Helium gravity is more powerful where there's more stuff so where you get slightly denser areas. Gravity starts compacting clouds of hydrogen and helium atoms. So we can imagine the early universe breaking up into a billion clouds and each cloud cloud is compacted. Gravity gets more powerful as density increases. The temperature begins to rise at the center of each cloud and then at the center of each cloud the temperature crosses the threshold threshold. Temperature of ten million degrees. Protons start to fuse does a huge release of energy tree and we have our first stars from about route. Two hundred million years after the Big Bang Stars begin to appear all through the universe billions of them and the universe is now significantly any more interesting and more complex in all of that wasn't even half a billion years after the Big Bang it will take take another eight or nine billion years for our solar system in our planet to form and nearly another billion before the first signs of life life for most of that time of life on earth living organisms have been relatively simple single cells but they had great diversity and inside great complexity pretty then from about six hundred eight hundred million years ago. Multi celled organisms appear. You get fungi. You get fish you get plants you get. I'm serious you get reptiles and then of course you get the dinosaurs and occasionally there are disasters. Sixty fifty five million years ago. An asteroid landed on earth near the Yucatan peninsula creating conditions equivalent to those of a nuclear war and the dinosaurs were wiped doubt terrible news for the dinosaurs but great news for our Mammalian ancestors who flourished in the niches is left empty by the dinosaurs and we human beings apart of that creative evolution. Repulse that began sixty five million years ago. Go with the landing of an asteroid. What do you think we need to know this story? Why do we need to know about our origins? Well well if I were to turn the question around and say why do we need to know about American history. What would they own Sabih? I think it would be that we need to be able to play so self in a story. Isn't that right. It one of the one example of this wonderful example about this is my friend Walter Alvarez. The geologist he's the person who more or less proved you've that he was an asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs now if that asteroid had being on a trajectory five minutes earlier or five minutes later it wouldn't have wiped out the dinosaurs and the dinosaurs would almost certainly still rule the planet. And we wouldn't be here. It's as simple as that. So it's a story that in one incense makes us feel very small and very little we inhabit a obscure planet in an obscure galaxy around an obscure son but on the other hand modern human society represents one of the most complex things we know. And that's the other side of the story that makes us look pretty interesting. Getting humans appeared about two hundred thousand years ago. Now what makes humans different is human language. We are blessed with a language. A system of communication so powerful and so precise that we can share what we've learned with such precision that it can accumulate in the collective memory and that means means it can outlast the individuals who learned that information and it can accumulate from generation to generation. And that's why as a species. We're so creative active and so powerful and that's why we have a history. We seem to be the only species in four billion years to have this gift. I know it sounds like a little bit new agey but I mean it is a mystery where where we come from is a mystery. We really don't entirely know gets a wonderful it. It is a mystery indeed. Having said that the astonishing thing is that modern science can open many doors on that mystery. Not all of them. There are still Dole's become open. We don't know what to do with consciousness for examples approach. We don't know what happened before the Big Bang Bob. We can tell a remarkably good story about many parts of that mystery and that story's got better and better and better in the last fifty years so I hope you'll agree this powerful story and it's a story in which humans humans play an astonishing and creative role but it also contains warnings. I remember very vividly as a child growing up in England living through the Cuban missile crisis for a few days the entire biosphere seemed to be on the verge of destruction and the same weapons. Things are still here and they're still armed. If we avoid that trap others are waiting for us. We're burning fossil fuels at such a rate. Ain't that we seem to be undermining the goldilocks conditions that made it possible for human civilizations to flourish over the last ten thousand years so what big history can do is show us the nature of our complexity and fragility and the dangers. That face us but it can also show us our power collective learning when you think about our origins and you think about this idea of a unified history of the universe verse. It places like our whole very brief history into a context in which I can't help but think I'd not only are we less relevant than we think but but we've wasted so much time focusing on ourselves in our differences when in fact we are tiny piece of this huge story. I agree I agree. And that's one of the reasons I think. The story is so powerful because it makes the differences between humans. Seem rather irrelevant. So if in schools we mckeag teaching that history is divided into American history and Chinese History Russian history and Australian history with teaching kids that they are divided divided into tribes with failing to teach them that we also human beings share problems that we need to work together with Christian teaches courses. 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We tried this question out on some kids at the Smithsonian Sonja Natural History Museum here in Washington. DC and we found some striking uniformity favorite T. rex here on the X.. Brexit' these kids were between five and twelve and when you try to pin them down on why why the T. Rex is their favorite well. ooh It's the king and Itchy rigs his tee for you guys have banana. It's like eating bones and people and stuff staff. It's kind of like my dream monster if you think about it because it stay does sound. So what is it about these creatures live so long before we did that speaks to us about our own origins. They're gone and they're very different from anything alive today. This is Jack Horner. I'm the curator of Paleontology intolerant with the Museum of the Rockies in Bozeman Montana Jack Horror is like other scientists who are trying to piece together parts of our past some of them simulate the Big Bang Inside Massive Particle Collider's others look deep into space through giant telescopes to see the past. And in Jack's excuse he's also on a quest to bring some of that distant past literally back to life and it all started Jurassic Park the Toronto source rex they made in the first movie was just incredibly real looking. Jack was in advisor on the film and he was even the inspiration for one of the main characters. Absolutely still doctor Allen grants I I guess the fortunate thing thing about that is that he didn't get eaten and it was seeing T.. Rex So lifelike on the big screen. That reignited something. Something in Jack was one of the things that sparked my interest and actually trying to make a dinosaur just like in the movie Jack Horner wants to make a real life dinosaur but one a little friendlier than the T.. Rex One he says you actually have as a pet what What kind of pet would you have? Why would have a chicken? Oh Soroush a chicken assuras actually. It's not that different from what Jack's character did interesting part. Well maybe dinosaurs have more in. Common was present-day birds and they'd do is in this scene doctor. Allen Grant is examining a velociraptor fossil. The Pubic Bo turned back. Just like a bird. Look at the Vertebrae air sacs hollow just like a bird and even the word raptor means bird of prey and even if we can't make a dinosaur like like they did in drastic park. Could a bird could chicken get us closer. Here's Jack Horner's big idea from the Ted stage. The theme of this story is building a dinosaur and so we come to that part of Jurassic Park. This is Michael. CRICHTON really was one of the first people to talk About bringing dinosaurs back to life. If you want dinosaur DNA say go to the dinosaur back in Nineteen ninety-three when the movie came out. We actually had a grant from the National Science Foundation to attempt to extract DNA from a dinosaur but we have discovered that dinosaur China Sword DNA DNA just breaks down. Too Fast we're just not going to be able to do what they didn't Jurassic Park. We're not going to be able to to make a dinosaur based on a dinosaur but birds are dinosaurs. Birds are living dinosaurs so we don't have to make a dinosaur already have them. I know you're you're you're bad. As the the sixth graders right. The sixth graders look at and they say no. You can call it you can call it a dinosaur sore but look at the velociraptor the raptors cool. The chicken is not fix the chicken so we have a number of ways that we actually can fix the chicken. We'll call them biological modification modification tools. We have selection and we know selection works right. I mean we started out with a wolf like creature and we ended up with a Maltese. Definitely genetic modification. We also have transgenesis. transgenesis is really cool to. That's where you take a gene. Lean out of one animal and stick it in another one. That's how people made blowfish. You'd take a gene of glow gene out of coral aura. Jellyfish Russian you stick it in a zebra fission the glow. I guess. We could make chicken. But I don't think that'll satisfy the sixth graders either. Jack Solution is to focus on something buried deep in the origin of the chicken. For instance every chicken while it is still an embryo actually has a three fingered hand but at some point a gene switches on and it triggers the fusion of the hand and so there are genes that have used the fingers together basically to form the the idea is that if scientists could figure out a way to stop those genes from activating we can get a chicken that hashes out with a three fingered hand and the same goes for the tails we know. ooh that in embryo as the animal is developing it actually as a relatively long tail but a gene turns on and reserves. The tail gets rid of it. So that's the other gene we're looking for. We want to stop that tale from resorting. So what we're trying to do is take our chicken. Modify it and make a chicken us or I can just imagine engine chicken if it had a long bony tail and a three fingered hand instead of wings it would be a long ways to looking like velociraptor even then wow check you are freaking out a little bit. You know when I explain this sort of thing to people and people do get kind of weirded out out I I try to take him back to dogs. For example. You know was a Chihuahua. They've basically bread for an animal that it looks like the embryonic wolf. How then so you know if you can be happy with that? Yeah I surely don't understand. Why bird was a tale is going to freak? Can anybody out. Oh don't get me wrong. I will be first in line to see the chicken Soros while we're working on it. Even though a living breathing chicken taking a source is still a long way off. Jack says even just the idea of one is one way to get kids closer to our collective past absolutely and it also teaches them about evolution and one of the cool things I think about dinosaurs is it allows as you know kids get interested and and they just soak up all this information about dinosaurs and early on. They know more than their parents. And so they really fuel the imagination of kids and even as a paleontologist. I imagined them fighting. I imagine in them roaming around. They still fuel my imagination. When you think about that time periods we're talking about such a long period of time as passed since they're just studying that kind of put you know the human era into perspective for you as almost like a a blip in time will let me give you a different perspective? Just take any group of dinosaurs like horned dinosaurs. The amount of time that horned dinosaurs were on earth and Eh the amount of time they had to evolve was greater than the period of time since they've gone extinct two now so trying trying to put the blip of time into perspective. I mean we have had zero time as far as humans. Go Paleontologist Jack Jack Horner you can find his talk at Ted. NPR DOT ORG by the way. When we talk to Jack last year he was advising the filmmakers behind the latest Jurassic Sake Park near the Jurassic world? I've been on the set. Yeah so can you tell awesome until you tell anybody. It's a great story has got a really really scary new dinosaur. Well what kind again. Talia feathers no doesn't have does it have really sharp so this whole story about all the things that came came before us and how we got here. It's pretty hard to wrap your head around because the scale is so huge. So how do you explain planet. I like to use a roll of toilet paper and by the way. This is the renowned paleontologist. Louise Leakey if you you lay out of toilet roll which is four hundred sheets in length and you actually think about whether dinosaurs which everybody's familiar with comes in on the nineteenth sheet from the end and they go extinct on the fifth sheet from the end they around for fourteen or so sheets of toilet. Roll that point. It gave rise to the mammals and our species homo sapiens. Only came came into being in that very last millimeter of that last sheet the last two hundred thousand years a millimeter the meter of the four hundredth sheet on a roll of toilet paper. That's the whole history of our species and until very recently we didn't even know that much. And what what we do know about her origins is thanks in large part to Louise. Leakey's family their story in Africa all started with her great grandparents that were missionaries. Who settled in Kenya's Kukuh highland and that's where Lewis? My grandfather was born and he really grew up speaking Kikuyu and Swaley really and collecting snakes and animals and finding small little obsidian flakes as a as a child which I think really instilled within him a sense of of of excitement and I think that really sowed the seed. He was convinced he was going to find the answers to our past in Africa rather other than outside of Africa. which is what the conventional thinking was at that time? Okay so a bit of explanation here up until really really the late nineteen forties most serious paleontologists believed in something called the out of Asia theory and basically argued that our species I developed in Asia and the fossil record at the time seemed to confirm it Louis Leakey was an outlier. He was absolutely convinced that humans came gene from Africa and he became obsessed with proving it. Even though most self-respecting fossil hunters were digging in Asia. They had finds from Indonesia from China and to to have imagined that you could have found fossils in Africa. Didn't seem right. What they didn't know was the fossils that were found outside of Africa? Were all much younger than the fossils that they would then go on to find in Africa. Kosovo course the conventional thinking was that Lewis was looking in quite the wrong place but Louis Leakey and his wife Mary persisted. They spent decades beck AIDS digging for clues in Tanzania in a remote area known as Olduvai Gorge is possible stories of the posh Josh Chapter The history starting from the day right away back to him and Louis Leakey from an old national geographic documentary and it was was at Olduvai gorge where the leakey's would spend the entire field of paleoanthropology in Nineteen fifty-nine when my grandmother. Mary found the scholars olives. Zinjanthropus now the skull of Zinjanthropus was one of the most significant hominoid. Fossils found up to that point it was one point. Eight seven five million years old far older than other fossils found in China and Indonesia and it proved that our ancestors came from in evolved in Africa so that fine really put Africa on the map and made people then turned to Africa. It changed our entire. Hi You're understanding of where we came from. And that find launched a family dynasty of paleontologists their sons Richard and Jonathan and eventually the granddaughter order lease who explained her ideas on the Ted Stage are we that is the big question. John and essentially we are just an upright walking big brain super intelligent ape. We belong to the family called the humidity. Nitty we are the species called Homo Sapiens sapiens. We are one species over about five and a a half thousand mammalian species that exist on planet earth today and that's just a tiny fraction of all species that have ever lived on the planet in Pastimes. We're one species out of approximately. Let's say at Least Sixteen Upright walking apes that have existed over the past six to eight million years but as far as we know where the only upright walking that exists on planet Earth today and it's important to remember that and in terms of our place in the world today and our future planet earth in fact if you go back in time it is the normal that there are multiple species of hominids heads or of human ancestors that coexist. Anyone time we've only been around for the past two hundred thousand years as a species yet. We've reached a population nation of more than six and a half billion people. But what's happened is our technology has removed the checks and balances on our population growth. My father so appropriately. Put It that we are certainly the only animal that makes conscious choices that are bad for our survival as a species can and we hold it together. It's important to remember that we all evolved in Africa. We all have an African origin. We have a common past and we share a common future evolutionary speaking. We're just a blip where sitting on the edge of a precipice and we have the tools and the technology at our hands to communicate what needs to be done to hold it together today. We'll do that or will we. Just let nature take its course innocence. What you do by looking into the past is almost like a window into into the future will that? That's absolutely right. I think when you work on fossils and you realized species is there on its abundant for quite a long period of time and then at some point. It's no longer there and so when you look at that bigger picture yes you realize that the either you change change and adapt or as a suspicious you go extinct about neanderthals 'em who who lasted for half a chameleon years right and and we've been around for two hundred thousand Let's just talk about five thousand years from now. Do you think it's likely clear that we will be here in five thousand years. I've I couldn't answer that question. I really I stop and think about it quite often. I as a species. Yes we probably could be here but in what numbers and possibly far fewer if if we're really going learn to sustain ourselves on the planet but every species becomes extinct at some point we will go extinct. The question is as Homo Thomas Opinions. Are we going to be able to adapt to the change that we're actually part of where we're causing such dramatic changes to the planet. So yes yes you do. Stop and think. I wonder where we're headed Louis. Leakey is third generation paleontologist from the legendary very leaky family. You can check out her. Full talk at Ted Dot. NPR Dot Org our show today how it all began ideas ideas about our collective past I'm Guy Roz and you're listening to the Ted Radio Hour from NPR. Hey everyone just a quick thanks to two of our sponsors who help make this podcast possible. I two E trade investing. 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Did this in Peru phone. Eight thousand miles northeast. This was on the air in Saint Petersburg Berg Russia has a half life teaches kebab machine and more than three thousand miles south this in Kenya so earlier in the show David Christian explained that it was language language that gave us an edge as a species more than six thousand languages are spoken around the world. So how did that happen. How did we come to look and sounds so different? Let's Spencer Wells has been trying to figure out. I'm GONNA spend my life travelling visiting places. Like Chad Touchy Ca Stein Papin Guinea Palau. Oh Spencer Wells you might remember is the geneticist who analysed my DNA earlier in the show. He's also an explorer for National Geographic. And he told us that one of the things he really likes to do when he travels is to look at faces. You see people who seem to be so different from each other and kind of the underlying theme. Some of our work is. We'll how different are they really turns out not much and while Louise Leakey and her family proved that through prehistoric bones and fossils. Spencer Wells looks for the evidence of our common origins in living breathing human beings. He's using the tools of molecular genetics to figure out win win. Human populations began to migrate from Africa and spread out across the globe. More on that in a minute but first let's go back to the beginning so we are for about two hundred thousand years old right nor awesomely human the human things that we would recognize Jiang like if they were sitting here in the state issue hundred thousand years ago. Where are we living in? And what are we sort of. Look like we're living is a very small group of hunter gatherers out on the savannahs of likely eastern Africa. So present day Ethiopia Copa Kenya Tanzania and it was in that kind of crucible of east African Hunter Gatherer Society that all of the modern human characteristics arose the two hundred thousand years ago. We're all dark. Our skin is darker yard. We're we're a species of hairless primate and we've solved in the tropics and no SPF fifty. Two hundred thousand years ago so we have some some sort of natural sunscreen and that was Mellon it's amazing to think about the age of our universe. Two hundred thousand years is nothing like a blip in time. It's like it's not even a second second on the twenty four hour clock exactly and yet weeds thousand human generations. So we're talking about a huge change in the way we look in such a short period of time absolutely so why can't why that's one of the big unsolved mysteries. We know that there's been adaptation so we started it off dark living in the tropics in Africa and my ancestors for instance. He came from northern Europe. Very White Guy. My Buddy skip dates. Who does all of the the? PBS shows an African American lives. And so he's filming with me. He says Spencer. You know it takes the whitest man in the world to tell us we came from Blackout Spencer. Wells picks up the story from the Ted Stage. Now how recently do we share. This ancestry was it millions of years ago which we might suspect by looking at all this incredible variation around the world. No the DNA tells a story. That's very clear within the last two hundred thousand years yes we all share an ancestor. A single person might have conrail eve. You might have heard about her in Africa. An African woman who gave rise to all the Mitochondria diversity the world today. But what's even more amazing. Is that if you look at the Y chromosome side the male side of the story. The Y chromosome Adam only lived around sixty thousand years ago. That's only about two thousand human generations. The blink of an eye in an abolitionist sense that tells us we were all still living in Africa. At at that time this was an African gave rise to all the Y chromosome diversity around the world. It's only within the last sixty thousand years that we have started to generate this incredible diversity. We see around the world such an amazing story. We're all effectively part of an extended African family and what happens. When when do they how do they how do they start to move out? And and where do they go well. So the evidence is that there might have been a little brief foray into the Middle East in the Arabian Arabian Peninsula as early as n twenty thousand years ago. But they didn't go very far beyond that but the big blast came out around sixty thousand years ago so that's two thousand thousand human generations so the question of course is what happened. Why didn't humans start to leave Africa earlier than that? Well that's a big question in these. Why questions particularly in genetics and the study of history when all else fails talk about the weather what was going on to the world's weather around sixty thousand years ago well while we were going into the worst part of the last ice age the northern hemisphere had massive growing ice sheets New York City Chicago? Seattle all well under a sheet of ice most of Britain all of Scandinavia covered by several kilometers thick now. Africa is the most tropical continent. We weren't covered in ice in Africa. Africa rather Africa's drying out at that time the reason for that is that is actually suck moisture out of the atmosphere if you think about Antarctica. It's technically Elliot. Desert and Africa was turning to desert. The Sahara was much bigger than than it is now and the human habitat was reduced to just a few small pockets compared to what we have today. The evidence from genetic data is human population around this time. Roughly seventy thousand years ago crashed to fewer than two thousand individuals. We nearly went extinct. We were hanging on by our fingernails. We were almost completely wiped out as a species and if that wasn't bad enough we had the eruption of a mega volcano the largest volcanic eruption in the last twenty to thirty million years Mount Toba in Metro Metro which today is Lake Toba and it blew its top and it's spewed all of this ash into the atmosphere and sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere in this had the effect of of creating a global nuclear nuclear winter in effect and temperatures dropped by fifteen or twenty degrees Celsius on average lack the sun. Yeah it blocked out the Sun. Basically and so the animals the plants become sparser into the human population becomes sparser. We can also look at the genetic variation that we see today in. Humans have remarkably little genetic variation for a species. She's of large Abe. We're highly inbred. And it's because the population size around the time of that. Volcanic eruption dropped down to maybe as few as two thousand now now but then fifty sixty seventy thousand years ago somewhere in that region. All Hell breaks loose. Art makes its appearance. The stone tools become much more more finely crafted. The evidence is that humans begin to specialize in particular prey species at particular times of the year. The population size started to expand. Probably according to what many linguists believe fully modern language syntactical language subject verb object that we use to convey complex ideas. Like I'm doing now appeared around that time we became much. It's more social the social networks expanded. This change in behavior allowed us to survive these worsening conditions in Africa and they allowed us to start to expand around the world. What do we imagine that that migration was like well? I think it was really it. Just a question of people moving a little bit further in search of better food supplies or water supplies. There might have been some wanderlust and say it wasn't it wasn't like hey let's go. We know ten thousand miles. It was it was a very slow migration over thousands of long journey starts with a step and in this case people had no idea what was out there. I mean there was nobody tweeting being from Siberia. Saying hey guys come on up here. There's lots of reindeer. Appear on the Tundra They didn't know what we're going to counter. I mean it's really amazing to think about it. You're setting off on the biggest journey in the history of your species. You have no idea where you're going but you are smart enough to be able to figure out solutions to all the problems that are gonna be thrown in your way. The reason you're alive today is because of those changes in our brains that took place in Africa around sixty seventy thousand years ago allowing us not only to survive in Africa but to expand out of Africa and early coastal migration along the south coast of Asia leaving Africa around sixty thousand years ago reaching Australia. Very rapidly by fifty thousand years ago slightly later Migration Asian up into the Middle East. These would have been savannah hunters entering Europe around thirty five thousand years ago and finally a small group migrating up through the worst weather imaginable Siberia inside the Arctic Circle during the last ice age temperatures of minus seventy minus eighty even minus one hundred perhaps migrating into the Americas ultimately reaching in that final frontier. An amazing story and it happens. I in Africa the changes that allowed us to do that. The evolution of his highly adaptable brain. That we all carry around thus allowing us to create novel cultures allowing us to develop the diversity that we see on a whirlwind trip. Like I've just been on. Thank you very much Spencer Wells is geneticist and the director of the Geographic Project at National Geographic. You can check out his entire Ted talk at Ted Dot. NPR Dot Org. Okay so up until this point we've been talking about where we've come from but what about where we're going and what were evolving into. Oh so one. The last time we spoke you said You said that we are going to become yet. Another homage or set of hominids. We're going to evolve into something different. Do you still think that. Is that still your view. I think it's becoming increasingly likely but will become various species this is a futurist one and Rica's and what is making it increasingly likely these days is two things. One is new genetic technologies that allow you to alter chain code you know. Basically and the second is space travel which will create a need for various kinds of of bodies that evolved to survive radiation or different gravity or different structures. One was on the show back in two thousand fourteen and since since then a lot has changed with gene editing technology and what one calls the life code revolution. It's moving so quickly so within the last sixty days one of the things that we've seen this new research coming out that allows you to change not just blocks of genes but individual letters letters in the gene code and so the pinpoint accuracy of being able to do that means that the likelihood of side effects are much lower and the effectiveness is much tire. Now why would you WanNa do this. Well one of the things about traveling and spaces because you don't have the atmosphere you're far more exposed to radiation right and we know there some bugs some plants some animals that are far more sensitive radiation than others are and in the measure that you you understand why some creatures are more or less vulnerables radiation. It may be possible to engineer human genome. Almost like you do with a vaccine in such a way that we become far more radiation resistant which allows to live on Mars. which would allows to live in a very different atmosphere which would allow us to travel much longer distances across space without coming down with terrible cancers which make make it possible even to get to another solar system? I mean when that happens right. Wha- what would we even look like if we go back three hundred thousand years right humans. Humans looked more or less the same. We would recognize them today. but in the future that you're describing if we're still around what would we look like like what parts of us would we potentially not need so if you lose an arm or if you lose a leg you're still you if you're a kidney transplant. You're still W if you lose your brain then you're not you. You know your your fundamental humanity has left right and so I I think people tend to focus a lot on what the body would look like and that's an interesting question but that's not the question. The question is how our brains going to evolve. Our brains are two percent of our body weight and about twenty percent of our energy consumption. And I suspect what's going to happen even as as we're faced with more and more challenges and questions one our brains are likely to get larger. They will consume more energy which will probably start melting communicating co processing with other brains and probably creating a symbiotic relationship relationship with machines. Wow but what about like the rest of ask what about the rest of of our bodies. What's probably going to happen is us? We're going to start remaking each of our body parts as they wear out and the limiting factor than to how long people live is not going to be your body parts hearts. Because it's going to be like your old house that you Redo the kitchen. The original a bathroom Swap out the oven and put a new fridge will. That's what's going to happen to our bodies audio with with our body parts and then the limiting factors the brain because we're a long way from understanding the brain. We're a long way from being able to map the brain. We're a long way from being able to reproduce the brain and we're a long way from being able to download memories from one brain to another but if if you do that then all bets are off as to how long a human being could live. Well you know. I'm one of the questions that I've I've asked Futures Allot Over the years and something that I think about an in this episode is whether there we will be around in a thousand years or even five hundred years and if you want to know my answer I think I think there will be humans on the planet in five hundred years but far fewer and I think it. It sounds dark and pessimistic but I I can't imagine a world in five hundred years where humans are thriving and growing. What what do you think I mean do you? Do you think that we will be thriving in five hundred years on planet earth. You know I tend to agree with you on most things this one. I don't agree with you. One a great. That's good what that future though I mean. Look one of the things I love to ask. Audiences is if you know we had a Wales safely putting you into a deep sleep for three hundred years and you got a chance to wake up and see what's happened three hundred years would you do it and I would love to see here three hundred years. I think there's there's never been a better time to be alive today. There's a whole lot of problems in the world today and we have to recognize those but boy compared to one hundred years ago. Five hundred years ago thousand years ago things have gotten mostly better in most places and three hundred years from now. I think our great great grandkids are going to be doing stuff. That's unimaginable in terms of how they've dealt with violence how they have created a more peaceful prosperous world in terms of how they've gotten out in space. I would love to see what happens in three hundred years. That's one and Rica. 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As you mentioned that you're covering trade and ethanol it's weird that we can't pick one over the other because they kind of Mesh together in a meeting at the White House earlier in the week. y'All reportedly read. It was controversial meeting at the White House involving involving the President and Midwest lawmakers and officials and The discussion according to Bloomberg News turn from the issue of China and the trade war to the Ethanol waivers for small oil refiners reportedly again the president said he felt misled about. EPA's most recent batch thirty one a small refinery exemptions at the same time of the EPA was issuing a statement that the exemptions had no impact on ethanol producers. Well neither of those comments fat Well L. With the ethanol groups growth energy CEO. Emily scores shot back a statement that the president's feeling misled came as no surprise because they spend months paper over the impact of its refinery handouts and the devastating impact impact that this is hard on both the biofuel sector and farmers cutting numerous biofuel plans out of production auction Slowing some and also Destroying significant van fora corn in so much so that the renewable skills association president. Jeff Cooper said when you look at the loss demand. We're talking about some two hundred twenty five. I million bushels added that as equivalent to a racing the demand for the entire Michigan corn crops. This is huge and it comes the time when Farmers K. constituency the president a lot of seeing increased bankruptcies and plunging farm income as a Jeff Cooper puts it EPA. Pretend nothing is wrong. Rome is burning while GPA. Plays Niro's fiddles though you can see based on those comments and some of the emotional responses that the ethanol industry and agriculture pretty upset on and with the way things are calling on the front. How `bout trade are we any closer to a deal? Well you know that again again is something that We just don't know the final result of because there's this back and forth. I Don John. The president the administration say they done on. There could be a deal. They say they done. The Chinese may be coming in September September. But then you hear the president say that That he's not ready to make a deal comment. He made this past week so we just don't know about that what we do. Yeah No Is Discussions are continuing But other discussions are continuing as well including Japan and also with Between the White House and Congress to get the US Mexico. Canada agreement done so there is a heavy activity on the trade front. We spoke this past week with the Senate Finance Committee Chair Chuck Grassley Whose Committee has jurisdiction. He says he's very optimistic. Nick about Japan. I would expect an announcement in the next couple of weeks. Even went so far as to say could precede ratification by the congress of the US. Mexico Exco Canada deal and he doug thank right now the Japan if there is a trade agreement with Dr Occasion by the Congress on things doc it could simply Piton and signed by the administration Not something that is covered by the trade promotion Ocean Authority or fast track processing Congress He's also optimistic. There could be a deal with the United Kingdom whether or not there's a harder soft border between Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland He says he's met with trade ministers from London. They take either way can be done although there is You just pressure here in Washington by The Democrats to make sure that there is an open border because that would prevent renewed violence in or help prevent it in Ireland Matt as always. Thanks for your continued to cover it. McKay Washington correspondent will be back with more Rfid Illinois Glenk. Thank you need me. You're going to need us all all of us. You're going to need our technical skills or math or engineering skills. He going to need our help with your water. Your air your food. You're going to need our organizational skills. Our problem solving skill. So you're going to need our determination. Our honesty our compassion. You're going to need the next generation of leaders to face the challenges the future ritual Brie and we promise we'll be there today. Four H is growing the next generation ratio of leaders support us at four H dot. Org this is let talk horses on our. FDU Radio Network. I'm Jason Vans. Taylor favors an extension equine. Specialists Permission State is with us to visit about coaching overstretching team. And Taylor when it comes to forming a judging team. What is the first thing to consider? Well the first thing to consider when coaching horse judging team after you've got individuals that are just excited and ready to learn is to assess where your areas of weakness and strengths are know which classes you might have a good base knowledge in those that you feel pretty unfamiliar with and feel free to line up different resources different experts in those areas so that you can call upon Harlem when you need to teach your team about that specific class or type of writing tools little bit of `Bout Competitive Horse. Judging a lot a lot of people don't know about competitive horse. Judging and to be honest I was one of those people until I went to Grad School. And that's why I learned about it. I fell in love with it and now I'm I'm so glad that I'm the MSU horse judging coach it's absolutely one of the most fun part of my job. What it is is in our particular case it's collegiate students but there's also oh FFA and four H.? Divisions throughout the nation and there are different contests setup by breed organizations or different shows house. And they'll set up basically like many horror show. Every single class is just four horses. There's two different types of classes. They'll be judging halter classes or performance. Classes Halter classes are essentially on confirmation. Performance are when they're writing and then they turn in what they feel the correct place things are and then they do have to defend some of those placings using oral reason so after the whole day they judge classes give oral reason. Then there's generally an awards program where they get awards based on the team that placed the classes the bast and the teams that topped the best sets of oral reasons. So what do you do when a team has different experience levels or say a you know a couple of team members we've been judging for a while and maybe couple of others Rosalie new to it. Well I'm used to working with this so it's most often that all mischief that I work with are very new or stretching there. I experienced to it. Their first exposure to it was our intro. Spring Class atmos- NC The university. So every once in a while we'll have a couple that are pretty familiar they did it in for HR FFA and those years are great. Because because I'm able to use those students as examples or mentors for the last experience students one thing that I like to do you can tell when the students you didn't start working together some will rise to the top some of your more talented students or some that are better giving oral reasons or better placing so what I like to to do with oral reasons is make sure that the different team members have the opportunity to hear each other give oral reasons and learning from your peers is one of the best is wave to learn and to remember different tips which when you're coaching it horse judging team what are the keys to being successful and also making making sure that the members enjoy it as a coach. I feel like one of the keys to being successful is just be fair with your team. Members let them know early on what your expectations are which is really easy for me because I have a syllabus right at the beginning but if you were even coaching a four H. team. It's not a bad idea. Give them an agenda for say day your practice even when you expect to practice what you expect from them what you expect of yourself and when those are laid out really clearly it can be a whole lot more fun and then when those expectations are not that it will be easier to approach that subject because you you laid those out right at the beginning. I like to be really fair with my students but I also like to be there and watch them grow and hopefully develop relationship beyond the team and I have ended up in my extension I I have a lot of volunteers now through my different teams that I've coached a lot of them. Want to stick around and help in any way they can and so I'm able to utilize their talents in extension and that was because I was very clear at the beginning what my expectations were of them. I ended up becoming a mentor to them and vice versa. And so I keep them around. We'll tell you. Thank you so much for joining us today. Thanks for having me. That's favors Davis then extension equine specialist at Michigan State University. She's been our guest on. Let's talk horses on the Rfid Radio Network. Thanks for listening. Please tune in next time for another edition edition of. Let's talk courses. Hello America and welcome to the agresource. Livestock Market Watch. I'm Nathan locie with Agresource Company in Chicago. agresource offers daily market updates via email which feature all the latest market news along short long-term price forecasts are reports featuring coverage of livestock grain and oilseed markets and also comprehensive for marketing advice. You can spend less time worrying about the markets and more time focused on your farm ranch go to agresource dot com on where you can get your first month. Subscription for just a dollar teachers were on both sides of unchanged through the weekend. We're lower on late selling depressed October. Hogs to new lows news that China would add an additional ten percent tariff the US pork and beef drove the markets down at the end of the week fundamentally monthly USD reports showed a record large July hog slaughter. That was ten percent more than a year ago within a month. July port stocks still nine percent over last year he was pork market is heavily supplied. Production rates will hold the record levels into the end of the year. Technically Hog futures are back to deeply oversold levels but the cash market continuing down every day bought futures and the week near sixty dollars the lowest since last March with long-term support expected acted fifty to fifty five dollars. Later this fall. A major increase in export demand is needed to change the supply driven. Bearish outlook cattle futures traded firm through the week with support coming from ideas the break at both the and in the plains cash markets had been overdone initial cash. Straight in the north was a couple of dollars higher trade in the south held until Friday and was a dollar higher at one when I was six. Technically spot futures bounced off one hundred dollars for both the CME and planes cash markets will be. Well supported the first started for December Cadillac. One hundred eleven dollars pretty much stronger. Rally Back to one twenty to one twenty four could be under way through the fourth quarter as packers take advantage of the strong margins that have been offered in the last two weeks until next time. I'm Nathan Locie and thanks for listening to this week. The agresource Livestock Market Watch. Thanks Nathan Difficult report to endure but that is the way the market gone a late deserve break market or University of Illinois extension. I'm todd gleason. The weather is next from the Illinois State climatologist Office for the Illinois State Water Survey at the university. I E Eleanor Perry Research Institute. This is Kevin Grady much of Illinois saw periods of showers and storms this past week with most of the state receiving receiving over an inch of rain. A particularly strong set of storms moved across the state Tuesday morning. The Storm Prediction Center received numerous wind damage reports from from these Tuesday storms from the quad cities southeast through Central Illinois temperatures were also warmer than average for most of the state this week especially Ashley in Southern Illinois which highs commonly in the nineties on Monday so far is a whole August temperatures have been close to average across Illinois most of the state has also been drier than average in August except for parts of Central Illinois. Between I seventy to sixty four which I've seen up to two inches which is above average rain. The National Weather Service is calling for cooler drier and less humid conditions across most of Illinois this weekend with with highs generally in the mid seventies up to around eighty in those in the mid fifty s to mid sixties looking ahead. The six to ten day outlook from on the climate prediction center is calling for these conditions to continue favoring moderate probabilities of below average temperatures throughout Illinois Sipe. Probabilities of above average precipitation are also favored across the state. This is Kevin Grady from the Illinois State climatologist ONS and I'm hug. Listen for you'll I extension. You have a great and very safely and check the markets Carl agrivisor down again for corn and soybeans Beans that much positive for commentary after another week like this. You don't leave them in the one thing that we gotta look at. We going for two straight now is we are rate at technical support and that is holding The level were at for at least east corn and November Mer. Soya beans flirting with we are holding above it. That's a good sign all in all day. Get through the tariff news everything out of the way we do have some bright spots coming at us not tell you the big one that I'm looking at right now. The loss comes from outside market. Is that dollar. The dollar. Don't five hundred seventy four points right now. That seems negative but a weak dollar in support of the US come on it is because it promotes exports sports in a complex for today. Look at that he summer. We'd up six cents. We've been seeing strong exports of wheat. That's going to continue especially with that weaker dollar coming in you know. We did have a setback today. The tariff news is all that matters you know throw out the weather through the trump tower numbers coming in Trade focused on them numbers. And that was it. We are looking at some long range weather forecast. It's GonNa be cold extremely unseasonably cold in the heart of the corn unbuilt. That's GonNa Start get a little bit more traction ear. I do believe it's not really GonNa hurt the crop but what it's going to keep that crop maturing at a slow pace ace pretty soon. We're going to be up against them first prostates and that's when the market is going to start to react the best chance of recovery right now Soybeans I. I think we do stabilized a little bit like it said that tariff news really got us to lawsuit we gotta get them taken care of get that flushed out of the system and then we'll turnaround earl censored agrivisor. Hi this is Sabrina Hardy. RSD Business Manager. I want to thank you. You're listening to the Rit radio network the number one AD radio networking eleanor. Did you know are the radio. 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A program of analysis and commentary on the events instant made news this past week in Illinois state government and politics breaking news Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson out of a job right now as mayor Lori lightfoot fired him this morning for intentionally line to her airline lightfoot announced that she had terminated Superintendent Eddie Johnson because he misled the public and lied to her about what happened. The night he was found slumped over the wheel of his car back in October. Mr Johnson failed the hard working members of the Chicago Police Department. He intentionally misled the People Chicago and he intentionally misled me. A source says Johnson was at dinner with a woman colleague colleague who also worked with the police department in his letter. Johnson says I did not intentionally mislead deceive the mayor or the people of Chicago. I acknowledged knowledge that I made a poor decision and at a lapse of judgement on the nights that Tober sixteen so I am also joining my colleagues and saying to Governor Pritzker risk we need the call is special session to root out corruption. These are issues that need to be dealt with and fortunately in Evita session we the actually adequately go after these issues. We all came here last January full hope and and and wanting to reform the system and to be a part of something a new and better stay government could be ramping up for some ethics changes and even some Republicans calling for a special session will discuss that Chicago. Mayor Tori lightfoot. Making a big change this week. The Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson is out of his job and as a federal investigation continues. Should the House Speaker be concern. Sern those stories and more coming up will discuss that here on state week. I'm sean creating with me in the studios of NPR Illinois on the campus of the University of Illinois. Springfield is Charlie Wheeler. He's an emeritus professor and former director of the Public Affairs Reporting Program you is and also a longtime statehouse reporter and observer and with us from from the Capitol building is Ip our state Senator Bryant mackey and from Chicago. Joining us today. Greg Hines is a political writer and columnist for Crain's Chicago Business Greg. It's always good to have you on. Thanks for coming on again. Guys Greg I'm going to start with you because we'll start with the mayor Chicago. Mayor Lory lightfoot again making news this week she fired the city's top cop Eddie Johnson when citing a series of ethical lapses we earn a little bit at the start of the program there about some of the reasons but walk us back through Greg what has been going on here and what some of the concerns were. Well the bottom line here is that it's never a good idea to lie to the boss. And it's particularly not a good idea to light of this Boston smear Superintendent Chats a couple awhile back which found slopped over his his city vehicle After what he later admitted was night out in which he'd had a couple of drinks and the superintendent said in public told the mayor that well you know he he he may. This may have interacted with some new medication. He was on a he's had some health problems and that He was he was gonNA move his retirement and the and the mayor congratulated him on his great experience and competence for the city. Whatever and announce a former police chief from Los Angeles a guy named Cox is GonNa comment and And and and serve as acting superintendent. Mister Johnson stay around a profile to help the help the transition and so forth. Well fast forward Robert. The city's inspector general has been looking at all this and he apparently has had access to some videotapes In in in the superintendent's it's car And some other tapes and is given a preliminary report to admire and when she got it she hit the roof The story that is around. We you don't fully know whether it's fully creek yet because he spectra. General hasn't released report but the story is. He wasn't out for dinner with a couple of drinks with friends that he was out for for drinks for several hours with a female subordinate. A woman has security detail and that When he when officers other officers found him slumped over his his? There's vehicle Whether it was asleep or passed out. We don't quite know that he woke up flashes badge and drove off which violation of good policing policy in any number of ways. So the mayor held forth on this said she'd been lied to and deceived US those words and he was out out out immediately. So He's gone godless place in for ten days. Put Mr Cox had a plane from Los Angeles. He's now Ryan the Chicago Police Department. Surely you wanted to ask a question that while I was GONNA ask And whether or not it's likely to be any what would you say any disciplined or any proceedings against the officers. Who found him and allowed him to drive? Hey boss Brace Charlie. There's also some perception that they covered up some of this and they went along with the light Th- This is in the middle all the process but but This mayor seems to be quite intent on sending the message that the old ways in Chicago. Where if you were clouded up and you had some friends you could pull some strings and make it go away or they make the worst parts? Go Away those days are over I fully expect that if indeed indeed some folks in the department cross the line on this one that they will see. Disciplinary action is an inspector general's report likely to be made public at some point. The Inspector General's people tell me it will But it may not be for a while like the spring And in part that's up up to the mayor's office to decide the tech report to her but I think you know this is a very small town stuff like this. I think you know every last detail if only to prove that the McDonald days where everybody sat on this for months and months Montour over the system as more transparent now look worse. Johnson was about ready to leave as you. You mentioned But again this does seem to signal something bigger. The mayor's action the willingness to take this action at this point. How is it being received in the city? Oh I think it's been received very well I mean even even even f o p the Police Union Gave her a pat on the back says. Yeah we're tired of the days when when the big shots got special treatment you know all all office ought to be the same You know this mayor has had There's a little bit of irony here this. Mary has had a lot of a lot of the success. Thanks to two guys named Eddy. She's bear because of because the eighty burke the Alderman scandal kind of blew up and she took a position to take advantage of that during her election campaign campaign now after kind of a rocky. Chicago's teachers strike and a budget A fight that she wanted she suffered some wounds this comes in and allows her to reestablish your credit is is the lady with the extent who's GonNa bring a new data Chicago great politics new New Data Chicago and Shirley you've been following Chicago politics for many years Y- is this just a you know some might say. Oh this is window-dressing we're not necessarily going to see that because they're they're all going to be the same when it gets in there but if she does she strike you as somebody different in this position well. I would say that she comes in probably with the broader mandate than any other reformers that that they've seen because of the overwhelming margin by which she won election and its remains to be seen whether she will be able to fully resist the culture. That is greg mentioned would cover up for higher-ups all along the way. She's very articulate woman. She someone who has made clear where she stands on this stuff and so I'm I'm hopeful that we will see some changes in that they will persist because there's been other other people in the past who've tried to do this And have not succeeded. Oven Lago back to for example. Jane Burn tried to put in some reforms and she was not successful. Knee look the difficulties that hair Washington head when he was elected thirty some years ago. Where the sizeable Eisele Chunk of the Chicago City Council fought against them tooth and nail on virtually every issue even tried to come down here and get legislation? Legislation passed that would take powers away from the Mayor of Chicago. Givens City Council now. The House Speaker Madigan tube all that stuff but it was indicative indicative of the efforts that were being made against Harold. Washington who in my view was reformer compared to what we've had before mayor lightfoot also has some issues when it comes to with the city's finances and she's been trained to deal with those Brian mackey. The last time we really had a chance to us on this program talk. A lot about the mayor was when she was coming down to Springfield field to deal with lawmakers during the fall session. There were some things she wanted to see done. Give us a bit of a recap of what she was looking for. Yeah well she wanted A A couple of things that you know at the start sort of big picture ways. One was Changes in the tax structure for the Casino in Chicago that was authorized as part of the big statewide infrastructure infrastructure plan. Earlier this year people are looking for that money to eventually begin Paying for the debt. That's going to be used to do the so called. Vertical Construction Building of schools in college campus buildings and state state buildings and that seemed to be fired up when a lot of other hands went out. Trying to Get their own piece of the action as often happens with gambling bills it became pretty overcomplicated. People wanted Some of that money used for other purposes is and I should add that the reason she wanted that there was a study earlier this year. That said that the tax structure of the existing proposed Chicago Casino. In in that like I said was passed earlier. This year was so onerous that you wouldn't really be able to attract the kind of private operator needed to manage that. She also wanted a change in the real estate transfer tax wchs making it more of a progressive tax. So if you were selling a more expensive piece of real estate you'd pay a higher tax rate. If you're selling less expensive piece of real estate Greg incorrectly correct me but I think the the the main threshold cut off there was around five hundred thousand dollars you pay a lower tax rate and that again was stymied when a number of progressive aggressive lawmakers in that case said that they wanted more of the money raised from that not to be used for everyday city spending but to go to specifically the toward Fighting homelessness in the city So lightfoot has said that her agenda or in terms of the city's finances really does has run through Springfield and early on She had some challenges in trying to get that through at least in the veto session. This year I greg anything new that you've heard as far as those efforts go at Acehnese color trying to retool If you talk to them privately they admit that It all Kinda caught adopt them that the they tried to do too much too short period of time There are deals are to be done. the deal on the On the transfer attacked a real estate taxes are GONNA have to put more money into affordable housing There's no way you're GONNA YOU'RE GONNA get all the Chicago folks behind the bill unless the progressive get that bone and there's no way you're going to get you can go to other lawmakers from other parts of the state unless all the Chicago lawmakers are for it So it's doable. Might be difficult. But it's doable Probably in better shape of the casino thing as as Bryan correctly alluded to Governor Pritzker needs some the revenues from that Chicago refers purposes to pay off the bills for the vertical construction. Part of the capital plan So both sides have an incentive here to to get at this thing in order in and up and get the tax money rolling out of it and truly just real quick We've talked about this a little bit before. But there's some advantages if they're trying to get these deals cuts Doing them after the first of the year. The first of January I and it's basically it's a constitutional difference if you pass anything after may thirty first and you want it to become effective before the following June I it requires a three fifths. Vote in each chamber if instead you wait in endure on January second only requires a simple majority so the differences eleven votes in the House votes in the Senate so it's a lot easier to pass stuff and have it take effect immediately lately when she'd gone past the first of the year well hastily pass during the fall session with some ethics legislation and Brian. Governor took some action this week and this May me not be the last. We're going to hear about ethics for the next few months but under this cloud of a federal investigation Not Shocking to see this move through so quickly no I know and this is something that really the investigations kind of consumed the veto session earlier. This fall we had state senator. Martin Santa evolves offices were searched both his capitol office and his district offices and and then and his home I should add and then it just as lawmakers were driving springfield literally as many of them were still in the car they began hearing reports that state representative Lewis Royal had been arrested and he has since stepped down from his position in the State House. But these set off another round of reports and as Reports began looking at the documents in these cases putting the pieces together A couple of names kept popping up. One of them was comment. And then I should add that There was also reporting. That comment has to do because it's a utility. It has to make certain disclosures to to to the government in its reported receiving achieving subpoenas and basically. It's painting a picture of a pretty broad sweeping federal investigation into What's what's happening in state government and we can talk a little bit more about the details of that later but there has that has led to a renewed call for ethics changes now? I think it's interesting that some of the ethics things that people are talking about aren't necessarily on point with some of the problems that have been identified by federal authorities here at least in the form of allegations. You've had some people pushing through a lot of Suggestions for changing the lobbyists rules while in fact you know lobbyists have not been arrested in this. Some of them have been questioned lender named In the context at least in it sort of as lobbyist a lobbyist be in federal documents And yet you have this call to sort of crack down on lobbyists There has also been You know questions questions raised about the sort of motives of doing that but what lawmakers did manage to do is push through a set of Changes for Lobbyist disclosure rules. The Secretary of State's going to have to come come up with a a database that will allow people to not only look up who lobbyists are working for but how much money. They're spending on politicians in terms of campaign paint contributions and then there is a task force. Sora Commission being set up That will look at you. Know what what sort sort of further changes need to be made for ethics and that's what the Republicans who met Came came into the capital in Springfield. This week basically said that you know this is this is not enough. It's you know we'll have the commission we can talk about it. It's a good first step. We'll see if they really propose anything substantive but this is a more urgent situation. They they say some of them. Are you embarrassed that to say what they do to their constituents a lot of the lawmakers who there are pretty new to Being in state government at least in the General Assembly and they say that you know there needs to be more urgency for this. They're urging the governor or Democratic leaders of the House and Senate to to have a special session in December. I it it doesn't seem like something that's likely But they're out there making their point. One of those who's not new to state government was announced this week as an appointee you by Governor evener Pritzker as a former Senate Republican leader Christine Redondo and her appointment came. Charlie after I guess you would call it. A MISSTEP by the governor's office the administration appointing former REP Steve Anderson Turns out he was lobbying just earlier this year and under the rules of this commission. They're not to have done that. I believe it's a five year window So he had to be replaced. Basically basically just get your thoughts early. You've seen so many of these task force commissions over the years. Do you think this is going to amount to much. I think probably will and it's interesting because as Brian Brian said there was an I guess you would call it an ethics reform package of sorts. That was passed. The governor signed the other day but a dealt with sloppiest and it lay down some disclosure rules. It also for example said that if if your estate lobbyist and you work for Unit of local government or your lobby for them and you're elected or appointed You have to disclose that in the part of this whole doc scandal revolving around Sandoval Arroyo and others has to do with come Ed's activities and what kind of lobbying being they did in one allegation example is that they Put people on contract as lobbyists. Who didn't seem to be really doing anything suggestion being that they did that to curry favor with Legislative leaders particularly Speaker Madigan and so the legislature reacts by going going after lobbyists and to me it was analogous to what happened back after Goya Vich when the legislature enacted sweeping reforms dealing dealing with the executive branch procurement Who's on boards and commissions and really didn't pay any attention to lawmakers nine hopeful that this commission will in fact come up with strong recommendations for disclosure regarding legislatures legislatures assets? Were in their income. The kind of things that inspectors general have been recommending for. I don't know if it's been decades. But certainly for a long longtime that the information on the economic disclosure form now is virtually useless. We used to joke about it. That would you would as report you. Look at these things and it was mostly no no no no you know for the disclosure and all of us have done that so we know how useless they are. So I'm hopeful that there will be activities in that area. One of the things I think is likely to come out is saying that. Legislators Sater's cannot lobby other units government local government. But we'll have to see interesting because Steve Anderson was a very good legislature. So you're in my judgment but he did leave the legislature. He became a lobbyist and under this commission rules. The resolution that approved proved commissioner. Set up the commission said you have to be not be a lobbyist for was five years and that's the thing that I think needs to be addressed people leaving the general assembly in automatically lobbying for some entity whose interests were involved in negotiating setting the bills. That kind of thing. What Charlie mentioned Speaker Madigan? We know that a lot of people close to the speaker have been at least up. I want to say a target completely of this investigation Asian. But certainly they've been involved and we've now heard from the Chicago Tribune. This week reporting that federal agents have been asking about Speaker Madigan his ties to the utility the lobbyists and more possibly and Greg you know. Get your thoughts on this. I guess again you're asking about somebody an indictment. Those are two different things so at this point the speakers not been charged with any wrongdoing but This doesn't look good. No it doesn't look good. I mean they only know it to nineteen south. Tehran were the. US Attorney's Office is headquartered. Exactly what has been going on but the impression here is that the feds are looking at whether a line was crossed hair that the new exchange for receiving official and unofficial help from trump off Edison campaign contributions jobs for associates and friends and so forth whether whether banning it provided significant help to the utility and it's very extensive agenda in Springfield in other words and to use the phrase. That's gotten a lot of the discussion in Washington. These days was quick. PROKOP deal here which you know. He'd do something in exchange for something from that. I don't know but it looks sure. Looks like that's that's to try to find out and I gotta get back to this again because it's it seems to me. This is a hard thing to figure out because we see people get campaign contributions all every day basically and and some of these industries we know then that that this lawmakers carrying water for this industry because look at all the money. He's taken in from them. We're I think people Oh may have a hard time figuring out. Well what's the line that's been crossed. Exactly why would say it's a real fuzzy line in the sense that over the years. There's I came to the conclusion that the groups that I really actively involved in. Lobbying don't necessarily say we're going to give a lot of money to Charlie Wheeler to make him do what we want. It's more like Hey Charlie Wheeler agrees with us on this stuff. That's important too severe to spend a lot of money to try rang. Get him elected because he shares our philosophy. Our views on these issues so that. That's where the the fuzzy line occurs is well. I think we're I think we're the fuzzy line may be crossed in the most interesting aspect of this assistant Titian. That people were hired. who were friends of the speaker in no work positions as you know the they'd get a paycheck in exchange for not doing anything May If they can prove that that happened. I don't know that they can that perhaps is crossing crossing the line. Yeah but that's very difficult to prove because what does what does lobbying consist of I think one of the allegations was someone was was paid to kind of listen to the debates and make notes about what was being said in committee keeping bill tracking the kind of thing that Anybody can do from their home computer pewter now does that qualify for you know thousand dollar job. I don't know I mean it's nice work if you can get it I guess I guess we will find out as is a time goes on whether or not much comes of this here. Brian just couple minutes left and I did. One also mentioned there was An announcement this week of a settlement in a lawsuit suit This one involved a woman who had been working for the speakers Political the political side for the Democratic Party Alina Hampton. Her name has come up quite a bit Philipson on what's taken place there. Yeah she says that in her federal complaint that she was relentlessly pursued by her supervisor. A man named Kevin Quinn in who happened to be the brother of person who was in his still wanna Madigan's top lieutenants Chicago Alderman. Marty Quinn and She he wrote is a few years ago that the queen allegedly kept sending her text messages asking her out even though she'd repeatedly said no she wrote a letter to Speaker dramatic but ultimately when she felt as though she'd been blackballed from political campaign work she filed a retaliation claim with the EEOC in a federal discrimination discrimination lawsuit and now she has agreed to settle that case for two hundred seventy five thousand dollars to one hundred. That money is going to her attorneys. And the time's up legal defense. It's fun she's getting seventy five thousand and by the terms of the settlement that the in I should add. She had sued not only the Democratic Party of Illinois of which House Speaker. Michael Madigan is chairman but also the thirteenth Ward Organization in a number of other fundraising committees that are associated with Madigan again by the terms of the settlement. Those organizations are not admitting wrongdoing spokeswoman for the speaker says that it's still a priority for Madigan to create a fair and unwelcoming workplace Hampton says in her statement that she's looking forward to putting these events behind her so this has been one of the big sort of Question marks and a lot of people have said you know a lot of people have come for Speaker Madigan over the years. He's always managed to come out unscathed. Would the METOO movement as it took down and not only this Eight of his Kevin Quinn who I should add madigan fired after this came out as this was becoming public But you his chief of Staff Longtime Chief of staff tapes also felled by harassment and bullying allegations or and to be one of the interesting things. Is that among the What would you say allegations or the suspicions that are being investigated is the suggestion that WanNa Madigan? Close friends. Friends arranged for come to make payments to Kevin Quinn and other lobbies to Decani. Keep him going after. He lost his his job with the Organization and withering whether it's of that claim and just about thirty seconds left here so but greg let me turn to you whether it's that claim or whether it's just the perception that has come out since since these allegations and of course the lawsuit. The damage has been done to the speaker's reputation. I would say it has the ad that with the all Kazillion of dollars at Bruce route or spent trashing his reputation But at this point I I'm not sure. Managers worried about is worrying about his reputation. He's worried about his legal standing He has a reputation of knowing where the line is crossing it. But I'm not sure he's ever seen a federal probe quite like this one It's absolutely worth keeping an eye on can go to our notes from the field and Brian. Let's go to you first. Governor Pritzker campaign operation is striking back against a group of former workers sued for racial discrimination lawyer. Say Eight of the twelve defendants in this case. They've blown deadlines provided incomplete answers to questions and ignored their obligations to sit for depositions. which are factfinding interviews? They're asking a federal judge to remove the plaintiffs from those Kaethe from the case the campaign worker sued saying they were third it into race specific. Physicians denied opportunities for advancement right before the election last year. Okay Greg isn't just firing police this chiefs she's out in the Iowa where she's interviewing a along with some Some other mayors Presidential candidates including a mayor Pete. I thought their position on. GOP issues which which obviously is an issue close to her heart Uh this mares is Raising her her watch the racer. Her National Profile case continues to do that in a pretty steady way and surely well we're nearing a very significant anniversary in Illinois. History December. Eighth is the fiftieth anniversary of the First Session of the Sixth Illinois Constitutional Convention which met that day at the in the in the house chambers and then later convened for most of the follow year. One thousand nine hundred seventy to hash out a new constitution in the old state Capitol in downtown Springfield to notable Illinois state government. Who got their start at the CON con? Charlie just mentioned were our own Charlie Wheeler who covered it as a a young reporter for the Sun Times and House Speaker Michael Madigan who was a delegate all right that will do it for this week on State Week and our panel today included Shirley Wheeler Brian Maggie. Back and Greg hines with CRAIN's Chicago business. 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I see going up and down. The Davis Highway in Frana officer is a white one. I think it belongs to someone in the Navy Naval Air Station. Which is here in Pensacola and slow to be her tune in across the nation Asian our Naval Aviation Museum at NASA Naval Air Station? Pensacola is the second largest in the world and it is drop dead gorgeous and you know if if anyone is in the military in Florida plane. They've come through Pensacola Florida at NAS. It's a huge part of our community and We're proud awed really proud to be associated and have the All of the the great officers and enlisted men right here in our and women in our community entity and to that end. There's a one enlisted fellow that has a white blonde. He's enlisted or not but it doesn't matter he has a White Mustang with blue stripes on on it and it keeps it meticulously. It's just really beautiful and it doesn't have that it doesn't have any really wide while while while we are or or spoilers or any of those things that that we all do to our cars to make to personalize the car but he has personalized but it's with great taste one of these as pull him over wave at him and stop him and Yano who ever done that. I mean I pull up to the traffic light I mean how many times thank you. Let's say you drew out an old classic car and I have one of course a Porsche And you've got a car and somebody pulls up today and said Hey. That is a beautiful fifty five Chevy or whatever. If you ever want to sell that car let me know so if you ever decide to sell the car until you he co you happen to see the person on the street and you say hey. I decide to sell my car. He calling the bluff. I don't think I've ever seen anybody that would say okay. Yeah I really might today but what is a great way to complement another person if you like their automobiles and that's what bobby like. His car is all about not not just classic cars and liking automobiles. But it's about automobiles. Obviously obviously but my goal and and the reason that I'm here and not sleeping in this morning morning. I'm into this Saturday right for twenty eight years every Saturday here I am. I really enjoy bringing to you information. Information and About automobiles but mainly mainly not to fix your car is upset thousands of times. I can't do that over the over the air. Although we've we've we've certainly done that from time to time but I am here to give you buzzwords so that when you go into a service shop you know the right questions to ask. And that's what's important like going to doctor immediately there. Oh I wish I ask him. You know her tone but I but I can help you there. We'll take a call from Missouri. And then Hanna is Is here today as as she is every Saturday. Doing a great job triple eight car. Clinic is a herd number which happened to be our number which happens to be the toll. Free number triple eight two two seven twenty five forty six write it down. Write it down so that a little later in the program Moonies looney. So maybe I'll get around call you know. And then we have about four minutes Fabio we have like the last eight minutes of the program of each hour. Hilter skelter when you try to cram all the calls in so and and that's because a lot of folks like the though do you listening so I'll aw I've never called it. I don't I don't want to talk to me on the air. Well forget the airport. We're just a conversation. You just you and me and Eh really seriously okay. So there are thousands of people tune-in but it doesn't matter you know what they all drive cars too so when you have a question about your your car that I can help you with while I'm helping you. I'm helping thousands of others with similar problems. You get it it. It really does work. It's worked for twenty eight years and I guess at Award See. I doubt worked for another twenty eight years. If I if that were the case I would live to be old. I would live to be old and I don't know what it feels like to be old. I don't know what old is I know what all was when I was thirty. Twenty Oh was fifty. I never thought I'd lived to be fifty Fabio. How old are you twenty? Nine twenty nine also does fifty sound to you. Yeah how old are your parents in their fifties. There's really it's really funny so so I could be your parents. Parents wanted we should change. The subject not doesn't matter triple eight. Two two seven twenty five forty-six we'll go to tracy who has a ninety two Toyota wagon show so there was a gentleman lived in Gulf breeze. And I forget his name now. Which Shaw hadn't because I've seen his daughter out every other five years and he's passed but he had a Toyota and he called it tyler? I'm in a call. He came by the shop on this years ago. Twenty five years ago I guess and I've been in the business forty eight years and he came out. I've got a Somavia. Yeah I got ta at home and I and after about three or four minutes talking with him. I finally had to say. Well what what what series. You is your car. Because I didn't know what he was talking talking about. He called his Toyota Toutah or something like that. He had his own his own little quirks and I made fun of and and we you know why not. I mean it's not tiled is like hunt you know what a high say Hyundai is like Sunday. We did a show one day on. I guess go and take this call triple eight. I'll take your call triple eight. Two two seven twenty five forty six tracy. Thanks for holding a while I was You know doing whatever it is that I do on Saturdays. Thank you for holding. Welcome to bobby like Corcoran. Oh thank you so much for taking my call. Sure what can I do for you. Well again it's a ninety two Toyota wagon and originally I had Some contamination and the brake system. And I've pretty much replaced Everything and right now. I'm having problems with the front brakes Either dragging or almost locked nopd opt for heating the just the Master cylinder and ran okay for two three days. And now it's back to the saying okay every And that's the happens and Gosh when it does happen that being the contamination that contamination means mange when you put a petroleum product in the matter in the brake system and instead of brake fluid because brake brake fluid is hygroscopic which means that it mixes with water it it it it actually attracts moisture but in in and that's okay that's really flush systems every two years to get rid of the moisture company causes Corrosion buildup but on the other side of that coin when a petroleum product is accidentally added to the system every rubber product in that system every seal swells and what happens and and think about. Have you ever art racine. You've been to the hospital and watch them Draw blood or an insert. IV or or shot a flu shot or something right. Okay okay. Well that's how you brakes work because in a syringe to inject liquid medicine in our bodies. There's a plunger and seal ring seal and in your brake system. That's exactly how it works. You the master sooner has a plunger with with two seals. It has a plunger that has a double seal in wants. He'll push fluid to the rear and the other CEO pushes fluid to the to the front that way. If you lost the front brakes you know you'd still have the rear sosa safety aspect and manufacturing. Did it for a long time. So what has happened. Is that whatever you put in there contaminated the system and swell the seals. So now so when when you and I'm thinking about a break right now because we have a heartbreak coming up so tracy you stay there. It was like transmission foot petroleum. Exactly I don't even know because I didn't do it so I don't really happen. Well you stay right there. Career is when I come back. I'll give the rest of the story because this is a really important for everyone. With regard to the type of fluid not to put in your brake system. They'll go I'll be back. Entertainment Systems backup. Cameras Starr stopped technology. 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Chevy Equinox rolled into the shop this week with a whopping three hundred fifteen thousand miles. The vehicles desperately needed an oil change. It was was loaded with luggage in gear and the parents were taking their daughter to school. College almost had to be put on hold though the radiator developed a small league that required immediate repair time was definitely not on. Our side has classes story the next day so we decided to use case. He'll he'll pour in solution designed to stop leaks and help prevent the future leaks. Older sealers you. Sodium silicate which had the tendency to clog the system. Casey oh features ceramic technology. That's designed to repair the leak without clogging being we let the vehicle cool poor model of the cooling system topped off the antifreeze coolant and installed a new pressure cap. Happy to report. The leak was gone on and our young friend did not miss class case available at fine retailers everywhere like O'Reilly autoparts don't just seal it case. You're listening to bobby like his car clinic. And and now back to body and your host bobby likes and welcome back to the segment bobby like his car clinic. your calls important that we communicate and I can help you. You know and I don't have my hand in your pocket. I mean I do promote products that we use in our shop so whenever you hear me talk about a product and it may be sponsor a partner or not but just know that I've been tested that product and not use that product in our service shop. So when you hear what I you say on the air you can take it to the bank. And that's what's really important. Triple eight triple eight. Two two seven twenty five forty six. We're talking with Tracy racy trout Tracy. I have a question for you. After after it was discovered that the system had been contaminated has every component been replaced say component. I'm talking about the rear. Calipers are Chilin. There's the front calipers the brake hoses and the master cylinder. And I'm afraid you're GONNA have to replace the APS unit too so what units have been replaced since it contamination occurred everything except the ABS CBS unit and the Rear Calipers all the hoses and the proportioning valve master cylinder. Under as far as I know that. Not The Roeder's I'm we only we only want to address the what's What has rubber in it and the rubber would be the seals and the APS unit has seals The Well Ho- system really the hoses and the calipers and and All of the seals inside. So if if you if you still have and and you do. That's why you call if you still have break and let's go back to the root of the problem. You stated early on in addition to the contamination of the brake fluid that the front brakes were dragging that correct. Yes Okay and how do you know that because the heat well melted off both my hubcaps at first and then after the adjustments I've been able to drive it some but it still locks up broke and drive it it in reverse the other day but not forward and kill it cooled down. Well well well well you still have a component. Not that has not been replaced. And you're going to have to replace every component on it and trace it. Let me give you a brief overview of how it works and so that that you'll know how to test it if if if when you when you press on the brake pedal you. It's just like pressing seeing the Syringe to put the medical medicine your arm. You're pushing a piston pushes fluid out right When you let all and so that the fact that fluid goes to all the breaks the front and rear through ABS and and all the systems and uses the force about which you convert on the pedal when you let off the pedal there no return springs? There is on the brake pedal but the rest. The system doesn't use return springs. Now that's not true for drum brakes but let's forget about drum brakes. Let let's just talk about the the front disc brakes those those Those Pistons inside the caliber don't have any method to return and pull them back away from the rotor however so so they ride directly on the rotor full-time because there's no pressure there just touching the rotor. But they're not really stopping the rotor. Now the NASCAR guys go step further to make sure that there's no drag whatsoever before before they go out to lap to qualify lap. They will take a tool and push the brake pads away from the Rotor Tiller. So they're not even touching kind of loosen in and trapped in within their fixture that way they know there's zero zero drag into a cost any car that you that has disgraced if you jack it up and spun the front wheel with your hand and not a front wheel drive. I'm talking about a rear-drive Rav car where you have to keep the wheels from turning because it's just on a bearing so if you spin the front wheel car would just brakes. It will term. It won't spend freely because the patrick touching and so if you had a way to pull those back now. GM Uses Square Square rings in there. Well I don't know other companies as well but GM with one of the first come out with square arena seals in the caliber so that the pressure would push the seal up contorted the Seal Square and then when you let off the break the seal will ever so slightly would try to straighten back out because it was being pushed sideways because it was square not a not a ring not a perfect circle in that that allowed better gas mileage. That's what that was four to try to pull that caliber pad back ever so slightly and ever so slightly lightly would be the thickness of two newspapers at four thousand. I if bullet goes by your head and it and it miss you about four thousands. It doesn't hurt you. Four thousands of blessing if you stop if someone if you if you crash car and you and you stop four thousand. You'RE I. I mean you kissed the car but you didn't touch it. You know you know what I'm saying. So in your case you have a fluid that you press with the brake pedal through the master cylinder that is being forced out. Unfortunately it can't get back because the rubber is swelled told by the petroleum product and doesn't fit within its Piston and the caliber. And you're forcing it out but you don't have any process. Elsa car has no process by which the push back show if you here's what here's how you diagnose you not you. But here's how you have a shop. Diagnose you make the car lockup which you can do but driving the car okay and then you go to the wheel that you know is locking up there which would be the front wheel and you Lucien the brake line. Well now. It doesn't make any difference if there's any any seals because you've opened the system you cut an artery and so whatever pressure is there to hold the brake pad. It's it's relieved so you you cut the bright line or illusion a bright line at the caliber and if there's fluid comes out you know that that that that whatever is on the other side of that is causing the problem but if you lose it if you loosen the bright line and there's no pressure but you still can't turn the wheel you know. What's the caliber? Because there's no influence from the pressure. Because you've got you gotTA disconnected. You understand what I'm trying to say there. I hope you oh okay all right so you know. It's just like washing your car in the driveway. And you turn the hose on and you've got you know a spray nozzle then let off the spray nozzle. Well you couldn't disconnect the the pipe from the house even if you turn the spigot off at the house because there's pressure in the hose so you have to retest to turn the water off then press hose let the pressure bleed off and then you can disconnect it from the house otherwise you get warmer in your face. I've done I've done you. You were saying about with this test after you make the brakes locked up then you Loosen the brake line at the caliber. and you should hear a released will issue flood will. Ah If if you will if the brake problem is on the driver's side if its own the hose news or the booster not booster or the ABS or the master cylinder if upstream but if but if the the Piston is sticking in the bore and you loosen the break. I'm glad you're with me and you loosen the bright line you've taken away all the pressure pressure that is fortunate to Break Piston. The caliber pistol out. And if you can't turn wheel you know it's inside the caliber. 'cause you'd literally disconnected the hydraulic pressure from the car. You got me now to try to turn the steering wheel no no. I'm sorry. The tire tire. I'm glad you asked the other words we're going to. We're going to cause a problem. We know that the front wheel sticking so we pull it into a garage with Jack. Takhar up we we. We try to spend front wheel and in another one of spin it will. You can force it. But that's why it's getting hot because it's dragging so Disconnected that caliber from the hose and the wheel freed up. We would know that the problem was on the hose side and the hose is a Carside carside but if we disconnected the hose and the wheel still would not turn. We know. It's within the caliber and the caliber. Perhaps be replaced me fantasy cather. Yes if if it won't spend and you've got the host disconnected from the caliber. It is a CALICO caused the caliber. Doesn't have the ability to apply pressure unless you've got influence from the driver but you got it then you have. The driver disconnected because also because you have that hose disconnected in wheel still locked up. It's got to be in the wheel. The wheel doesn't even know what's on the car. Nail you Kn- ah you got me. Yes and that tests to work on both sides because it's all sides at well well it. It will work on both sides. But you don't care because all you care about is pick the one that's the hottest it's the hardest to turn and and disconnect that line and we'll still l. hard to turn the caliber but I thought you said You'd replace the caliber they were supposed to have been well in order. Stance supposed to have been. Don't you have a receipt for what was put on the car. I've had it to four different different. Oh Okay Gosh I wish I could send you imagine I wish I guess I wish I could send you in Missouri. Well I'll tell you should send you a magic switch but here. Here's what what what to do you. Four shops really really. This is common. I mean you know. Oh what a shop individual but okay well all right so so. Here's what I want you to do. I want whoo which of the three shops that you've been to Seems to be the easiest and best to work with the that. That helps you as trying to help. You got one that that does help me but your expertise is maybe what. They're needing. Maybe they just start missing something. I believe shop though. Okay okay. So here's what you teach this shop and this is going to be fun for you because I what I'm telling you is a physical fact. You're gonNA teach that shop what they don't know so you're going to call them and tell them that you that you set up an appointment and tell them you're going to drive your car until the brakes lock up you're going to bring it in and you want them to be immediately ready immediately. Ready to Jack. The car up and in and cut to hose are disconnect the hose or unscrew it. I don't care you do that. Okay thanks for calling in the best of luck. Call me back if you need many folks. Amber Malcolm is a star with racing wives and well. She's on the phone when I come back here really great about NASCAR. A Twenty fifteen escape recently came into the shop. One hundred twenty thousand miles in going strong but it was starting to hesitate and the customer also complained of declining fuel economy. This two liter turbocharged engine is or gas direct injection and special maintenance needed in certain areas particularly the fuel system. We suspected carbon buildup and sure enough using abortion through the smart plughole. There was definite evidence of carbon buildup. GDN engines are different in the way they inject fuel and it can create. Some issues would repair repair and maintenance. 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The new series follows the personal and professional lives of driver Amber Malkin Samantha Bush. Ashley Bush Whitney War Dylan others in the lake. Norman area of North Carolina. Where the WHO's who of stockcar racing Lille's racing wives offers a glimpse into the sport watched by millions each week but focuses on relatable issues such as family friendship careers and work balance? Amber Malcolm is from Winnipeg Canada. She started racing with folks when she was ten years old. Mostly dirt track she. She joined the cast of racing wives as an opportunity to share her story. She doesn't come from money and she is a Canadian woman. In a very American male centric export through hard work and dedication. She hoped to fulfill her dream of becoming a professional nascar driver and with it. Amber I WANNA welcome you to bobby lobby like his car clinic show. You're more than welcome on excited to have you as a guest auto racing pretty much in your blood share with our car clinic listeners and viewers your family's history in the sport and when you knew you wanted to be a part of it absolutely. I grew up in dirt track racing using my grandfather race. Sprint cars my dad's still race. It to this day hearing since dirt late model. My uncle's raised my cousins race and I grew up at the race track My parents met at the race track at the track. Since I've been in my mom's valley so it really is in my blood and it's all I know the more that I was at the tracks and I got to see everything of it. The more I wanted to raise at ten years old. I after years of begging my dad finally said okay. If you WanNa do that then you gotta do it on on your own and that means working on the car yourself and buying it too so Definitely didn't have the easy route but it's been great because it's taught me a lot of skill l. than Things that I would have never known. Otherwise so Started in go. karts needs to mini sprints than four tenths sprint cars on dirt and well. He has got to transition to the pavement. While the now I'm letting well so amber you're a Canadian woman breaking into a very American and very male dominated sport. How's that experience been for you so far? Can you had to overcome a lot of adversity. Being Canadian in a male dominant American Gordan female in a male dominated sport. You know I had to get a visa just to be able to come to the US to pursue my dream as far as being a female. I've always been female email so I don't really know anything different for me when I put that helmet on the car doesn't know my gender and I I'm a driver that back and I want to win as bad as the drivers do. I'm just as aggressive the exam and I'm a driver driver. The car doesn't know gender and I just WANNA win rate. That's that's a perfect mindset. You said that your goal is to drive for cale. Busch Motor sports so tell our car clinic listeners viewers where you stand in reaching that goal. You'd think gonna be joining the kyle. Busch motorsports family. The show actually goes into our story of Samantha. And I looking for sponsors to few raise for Kyle Busch motorsports. Obviously I have to talk to college well to if I'm a good fit for it. He expects very very talented racecar drivers. and Um on he's not GonNa let me in the car and must be talented loss so We'll see that in the show and whether I raced for the Manatt you'll have to watch the show to find out folks. We're talking talking with Amber Malcolm. One of the stars of racing wives so amber nell. You're a part of the new show racing wives on. CMT fill our carpet that listeners and viewers in when racing wives airs. And then what made you WanNa be part of this show. The racing live airs every day. Ah Ten nine central on CNN and what really made me want to be. A part of the show is because I thought it was such a great platform to me to get to share my story of what it takes to be race car driver around the different adversities and struggles. That one has to go through. You know with raping people think if you win races you can get to the cup series when in actuality it's not the case that it's a very financially driven sport and so I need that financial backing and the help of sponsors to be able to move up to the next level showing the different struggles and Hopefully this exposure and being on different platform will help attract sponsors and hope attract other companies to WANNA partner with in. How can you move up the ranks enough? No doubt you have a passion for your sport and you certainly sound like you have the ability now that you've had a taste of reality TV. How has that experience been for you? It's definitely taught me a lot. That's for sure it teaches you. tuck skin there's a lot of eyes on you for people to judge and have have opinions of you and for me. It's really just knowing myself and staying true to myself and being authentic and I came down here to drive race cars and the NBA always been focused and will always be my focus. So I think as long as I stay on track and stay in my lane and continue to work hard then everything else hopefully it. I want to be the first to congratulate you on breaking through the crowd and and and I mean that literally and I wanNA thank you for joining us on Bobby Kennedy Infosys Amber Balcon. You'll be hearing more about this young lady. One of the stars of racing wives amber thank you so much. Good luck you you know break a leg is they say but of course outrun everybody else. It'd be the first of the finish line. Amber balcon star of racing wise. Thanks again for joining us on bobby like his car clinic today. Appreciate having me on the lake folks. She'll say yeah like I talked to like the car finished and he said breaking a leg so I wrote my La now folks let me tell you and this is really interesting. And I don't know if you were watching for those of you and watch bobby live Dr but we had some trump's emt we had A some B. Roll From the the show. Oh you know like a like a little quick overview of the new program and She she looks like a model. I think to me Fabio uh-huh and you folks that watch bobby live the bottom line. Is I think it's a great idea racing wives and of course she she's one of the stars and she's a loves racing jumped in racing family. So it's GonNa be really interesting to see how the show does and how she does that's premier a network and and John is our contact there and occasionally he'll call and say you know I have someone who would like to call in your show and and get recognition and of course they're trying to promote that series and I don't think it needs much promotion because that's going to be really really interesting to see how that pans out I said earlier and I'm sorry Tripoli Car Clinica handle will take your calls triple eight two two seven twenty five forty eighty six. Bobby is brought to you in part today by the car. Care Council our partners. It's back to school time. Yes really the perfect the opportunity for drivers to make sure the vehicles are kids safe in Rhode Ready. And here's what you do you visit car care dot org for a number of fantastic tools including tips and service schedules and videos and more go to car. Care Dot Org and You'll see what you should be doing to make sure that your car's kids safe inroad ready. That's pretty cool. Kids safe in Rhode Ready is. There's such a thing as kids safe. Well I think depending Fabrio how you look at what kids say. I'm in the car care. Guys you know kids safe. They've what it means to say for the kids but another meeting the car say from the kids us. Oh Gosh so that's right. Hey I have broken a lot of cars in my life and I'm not talking about my professional career of repairing a love broken my share there as well but I've broken a lot of racing engines. In the in the seventies we ran a rear engine dragster and I built a half in stroke him before twenty six and had five hundred cubic inches and I built that same iteration with modifications of course forty times over a period of I'd say three years forty different iterations and of course that's what happens when you're trying to push An engine to the limit and then whatever. The weakest part is weakest link breaks and speaking of the Weakest Link. Remember go ahead of television. Show the weakest link. I never did like that program was the host is the one I never did care for. Yeah well you laugh so oh obviously you've seen it. Yeah well who was that. Remember her name. She was saying goodbye. She said what the Weakest Link Goodbye. Goodbye okay well. So so we'll we'll we won't. We'll never say that to a caller goodbye. We have had. We have had callers call instead. Yeah well Bobby my car's doing Yada Yada Yada and so far. I've put a sensor and a and a throttle Monte gasket and a PCP hose and new plugs. Or what. Have you still got the problem. So what what's sound like well so noise in the rear end. Excuse me you've been under the hood in the noises in differential. Well yeah but I just thought I'd I start start there and okay so I'm having fun here but that's that's not too far from just like just like the the the traces it called with had the the petroleum product that was added her first mistake. Well whoever put that fluid in there and then if you say she had four shops that you had two four shop just would no no. I went to an independent a friend. I probably her friend who put the petroleum and just for you not to know folks. Brake fluid will not work Injured Oil Petroleum William. No nothing with petroleum products will work in a brain system because the it will swell the rubber and to that end now very interesting here. You've you you've heard me and other companies. Stop Leak non-nato Casey here. I'm GonNa Talk Radio I'm talking about Transmission stop leak and and Those sorts of things and there there are transmission leaks on the market. And so how do they work. They work the same way. They work the same way that petroleum works in a brake system. That swells the rubber. The problem is if you could add mm-hmm two milliliters of oil to the brake system. I take that back. Never overdue that. Okay if you if you knew how much industry if you had a transmission seal Lincoln or an engine seal that leaking and you knew just how much a Swelling product chemical. You could add to swell the sealed without going too far then you can have a stop league. And that's what that's the chemical that is in engine oil. Stop Leaks and let me tell you what it is. It's called NAPA thick nick oil. NAPA THICK NEPOTISTIC IS NAPA. What does NAPA? It's a solvent show if you took a rubber O.. Ring that was the size of a quarter and the coil of the ring was one hundred thousand. Let's say in one hundred thousand or sixty thousand is about the size of a number two pencil the Okay the lead so you got a rubber ring like a rubber band. That's what drives transmissions rubber bands literally rings. So if you drop dropped ring into Napa Lettuce it overnight tomorrow it'd be blown up. The I don't mean blown up like a Trojan it would be swollen and it would grow twice its size. It's still be the size of a quarter except that the The number two pencil pencil sides now would be the size of an ink pen. You know the the filler of ink fan. You see the the picture. I'm trying to paint right so so if you knew. And this is where the trick comes in for those companies that make stop leaks for transmissions if you knew do how much ed he then you could do a partial spread or partial swell of the seals. That's how this stuff works. So he's all is that is that good long-term What usually usually those products are used on cars? That aren't worth what the price of the repair would be. I mean you got a car this to fifty thousand miles in its fifteen years old and and and it's it's used up. You driven the new off the automobile. And it's gotTA transmission leak on. Unfortunately it's the front seal of the transmission which means you gotta pull a transmission so when you pull the transmission you pull the front pop and I mean there's a now how are you go. And and and then in the process of the shop removing the transmission. They're going to find other weak points like the mount because it's going to be worn out as well because the cars old. An engine mounts are are short-lived anyway because they're isolators rubber isolators otherwise you would feel a gritty vibration when you're in your car in fact today's engine mounts have jelly or a thick gooey molasses type their rubber but they have this jelly and that axes the shock of labor so It's like a little lily pad floats within the engine. So the engine can shake as much as it won't won't you say Oh. This is really smooth car. You get an Alexis and you say wow. You can't even feel engine running. Yeah that's because it used jail field old Motor mounts anyway. So back to the NAPA Finnick oil the nepotistic. The Naphtha will swell the seal just enough to help. Stop the leak and you can use that on a car though that those stop leaks on cars that aren't worth the price repair and to that end that that's that's a product that with regard nothing to do with transmissions but with cooling system the case seal product that we talk about that I endorse does have have within it a ceramic and it doesn't swell and he seals it uses a ceramic product that restricts the flow of cool out the whole. Oh whatever that whole is whether it's the head gasket or a block or or a radiator and that case he'll specifically designed so that when it reaches a temperature her and it sees the difference in temperature it clogs that whole but it's so in the engine it flows freely but when there's a problem with leak it seals the league. It's really cool case. He'll he could find out more at KC L. DOT com another hour coming up. I'll be ready to share more information. Don't go away says bobby like his car clinic bobby he like his car. 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It and now back to Bobby Cochran and your host bobby like us and thank the white. Welcome to this hour of bobby like car clinic. So a lot of information that I'll share with you but more importantly than information that AH share with you our conversations that you and I have with regard to automobiles in your car and so I just consider me. Your personal car can assaulted and remember the only dumb car question is the one not asked. And I say that from My heart and soul so never never ever and I won't use the word never but never ever. So that's two words not saying he's he's Think that yours is a dumb question. If you don't know about a particular product or a repair or how how to go about it not not you doing the actual work but how to communicate with your local service shop this. That's what I'm here for so let's get started Victor called him Really early so we're GONNA go first to Washington Moses Lake Washington Victor Welcome welcome back. I haven't talked with you in a while. How are you sir? Pretty good how are you doing. Just really really terrific Let's get started what what's on your mind morning. Okay now on the I know the engines are more efficient. Uh now but they used to use to say quite a bit of energy going out the tailpipe and I was wondering if they have ever tried to First of all what is the efficiency of the engine how much what percentage of the energy is going off to tailpipe. Do you know that. Well thank you. Only twenty percent of the of the fuels a Deliverable power is converted to power. So there's a lot of heat loss and to and to that end that's where the real. That's where the real challenge you hit the nail on the head because to burn combining home and auto with state farm. Gets you a whole lot covered for less. But this state farm radio ad gets you this jam uncovered for free nat premiums to fall by combining signing policies and for more coverage stays farm dot dot com combining home and auto state farm. 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