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Unemployment Rate Falls To 13.3%; Payday Loan Lenders Target The Poor

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Unemployment Rate Falls To 13.3%; Payday Loan Lenders Target The Poor

"From NPR and Wbz I'm Jeremy Hobson. Im Tanya Moseley. It's here now. Today's new jobs report finds that the US actually add it two and a half million jobs in May at the Rose Garden this morning. President trump praised the economy. Today is probably you think of it the greatest comeback in American as you. It's not gonNA stop here. It's going to keep going. The president is now pushing for all states to reopen, and even though the unemployment rate dropped to just over thirteen percent last month, they're still more than thirty seven million people, claiming unemployment benefits, NPR, chief economics correspondent Scott horsely joins us now and Scott. This report actually stunned many economists. The President of course sees this as a turning point. Could it actually be one? It, certainly, a turning point we've gone from losing jobs for a couple of months to now gaining jobs in May. So that is a turning point, but it's important to keep some perspective here in March and April. The country lost more than twenty two million jobs in May. We regained. Eleven percent of those that's absolutely better than losing more, but we're still in a pretty deep hole here that unemployment rate of thirteen point three percent. That's still well above the worst rate. We saw it anytime during the great recession after the financial collapse. Let's talk a little bit about what happened in May to bring about these numbers. Yeah, I think what happen is businesses around the country began reopening, and that happened faster than I think forecasters were expecting the real surprise here is not that the economy started adding jobs again. I think most people expected that to happen in June. It just happened a month earlier than than most of the economists had been expecting. We knew the pace of pandemic layoffs had been slowing in recent weeks, and we had been looking at all the the sort of weekly data for any sign of of jobs, actually being added. We haven't really seen that signal yet in things like the weekly unemployment claims or the number of people who are continuing to collect unemployment. Bear in mind that even with this positive news about may jobs more than thirty seven million people are either collecting unemployment or in the line for it. We should stress that as you mentioned. There are still millions of people out of work as you said. What industries though are we actually seeing a comeback? The lot of the ones that were hardest hit when we voluntarily lockdown the economy and sort of desperate bid to slow the spread of the pandemic that is bars and restaurants, retail stores, also construction, manufacturing and healthcare, which is usually pretty recession proof, but even healthcare lost jobs in April is a lot of doctors and Dennis close their offices for anything but but emergencies. So those have all seen a comeback. Although the gains have not by any means or race, the job losses that we saw in in March and April, there are other industries that continue to lose jobs. Air travel lost another fifty thousand jobs in May on top of the jobs that were lost in April, and importantly state and local government lost more than half A. A million jobs in May that's on top of nearly a million jobs that governments lost in. April, that's a sign that there's kind of a delayed effect on local government budgets as the rest of the economy turned south, and unless the federal government comes through with some help for state and local governments. We could see more job losses. They are going forward. This morning the president waved off questions from journalists about the unemployment figures for black and Asian Americans today. What do these numbers tell us about unemployment in these communities of Color? Well certainly African Americans and Latinos in particular still face a challenging job picture their their unemployment rates were higher than the national average before the pandemic, and they're higher now as well. The jobless rate for African Americans actually ticked up a little bit in May even as the overall number was coming down now that could be some statistical noise. The unemployment rate among african-americans bounces around a little bit just with some sampling air but we do know that a great number of African. African, Americans who are still working are holding those kind of front line, essential jobs that also put them at greater risk of infection. So that's another thing to keep in mind. We did see a drop last month. In Latino unemployment, Latinos are concentrated in some of the industries that did make a partial recovery like food, service and construction, but again the jobless rate for Latinos is above that for both African Americans and whites. All this is just a sign of the kind of. Structural inequality that has been persistent in this country, which sadly is sort of fueling some of the the demonstration that we're seeing around the country. That's NPR chief economics. Correspondent Scott horsely as always thank you. My pleasure. Will the demonstrations we've been seeing around? The country are also playing out on social media. Let's bring infamy. Okay, hosted the stream on Al Jazeera English Femi-. Jeremy. And there's just so much to talk about with you. Let's with something that's trending today Hashtag. He's seventy five. This is after police in Buffalo. New York pushed an older man to the ground during a protest yesterday listen. Oh! He's bleeding out of his years. They're saying get a medic. A Buffalo Police spokesman told CNN that two officers have been suspended because of that incident, and the is in the hospital in serious but stable condition. What do we know about what happened here? And what has the reaction been like online? The reason we know what happens because NPR station WB F. O.'s shared video of the old senior, being pushed to the ground earlier yesterday evening, the police spokesman said that one person was injured when he tripped and fell, it became very clear from the video. There was no tripping although there will some falling and people were incensed, which is why he's seventy five Trindade results of that immediately when that video was out, it's the power video on social I would say the man is now in a in a stable condition to officers have been suspended without pay buffalo. Police Commissioner has asked for immediate investigation. We give you a little sense of the. The response and reaction on twitter Peter Morley says the other officers just left him on the sidewalk bleeding after he was pushed and shoved by Buffalo police officers. He seventy-five is this. Half our country has fallen remarkably though Jamie. Not Everybody was saying the same thing in the defense of the place. Many people saying well the the gentleman should never be near police line. What do you expect you would get pushed? He's old enough to know better. Stay home if we don't want to be facing the police, so there's a split conversation. Even though we see the video, we see them out on the ground and we're here. He's head hitting the ground as well. We've also seen celebrities speaking up about George Floyd's death. Here's Meghan Markle. The Duchess of Sussex, in a virtual graduation speech for the Immaculate Heart High School in Los. Angeles she called events in the country devastating. The only wrong thing to say is to say nothing. George Lloyd's life mattered and Briana Taylor's life matter and Falungong castells life mattered Tamir Rice's life mattered. And so did so many other people whose names we know and whose names we do not know. Now Meghan. Markle has been open about some of the racism. She has faced in her life. But how are celebrities like her? Being viewed for talking about race? I this the celebrity dilemma because you're criticize if you don't speak out your criticize when you do for instance reaction to Meghan markle's videos both positive and negative. People were saying you're not really black. You're making George. Floyd steph about yourself to attention seeking so it's really difficult for celebrities to get it joust right because they using this liberty platform, and then some people are pushing back and they don't like them for using that platform. Now one of the things that I saw this week and I'm sure you saw. It was the blackout on Tuesday of social media where everybody was just posting just a black square on instagram or on facebook, and usually with the Hashtag blackout, Tuesday people just voicing their solidarity with victims of police violence and with the protesters. What are people saying about that whole exercise and how it worked? Say the social campaign, the the was very laudable. It was to support the black lives matter organization are a couple of practical issues that surfaced almost immediately. If people are posting a black square using Hashtag, black lives matter, it meant that very important. More practical information was literally buried on the black squares. Supporters of the Black Lives Matter Movement takedown. Take Down Your squares. Take Down your posts and then reposted using the actual hash type of the campaign, which is blackout, Tuesday. That's one practical problem. The second issue that came up was one of intention, so some people interpreted blackout choose. They as do nothing. Say Nothing and black lives matter. Matter supporters were saying actually. This is the time to raise your voice to have conversations to use any privilege that you might have so. There was pushback about that, and then finally a third criticism the I noticed, and this one is one of all social media campaigns is that maybe you should be doing something more than post? Brandy Riley's tweet jumped out at me. Went Viral. She says thank you for your black lives matter graphic. May I please see a picture of your executive leadership team and company board, which means I know that you're posting? I know you'll support in fact you so much, but are you really practicing what post? We'll leave it at that family because that's an important point. Host of the Stream on Al Jazeera English. Thank you so much. Congestion! Slipping. And Music about police violence. It's also been climbing the spotify charts this week. Including this is America by Childish Gambino. Whitman listening to here now. American! I got. I got to carry them. It feels like nothing in the news. These days makes any sense. So Husselmann Hajj turned to his father, and his faith for answers he said, don't worry about the number of questions. Just worry about which questions become more clear and solidified comedian Hasan bin Hajj on how his spirituality is getting him through listening, subscribe to. It's been a minute from NPR. Three men are facing terrorism related charges in Nevada after allegedly planning to incite violence at protests over the death of George Floyd federal prosecutors say the men are connected to the BOO, Gulu, movement associated with far right extremists. This is just one example of a disturbing trend at peaceful demonstrations across the country. Alex Goldenberg has a new report out this week on extremists and protesters, and he's lead intelligence analyst with network. Contagion Research Institute welcome. Thank you very much for having me Tanya your research, began even before this latest wave of protests over systemic racism, and you and others have found that extremists are also inserting themselves in also some of the corona virus reopening protests. Who are these groups that you have been tracking? So our recent report outlines certain extremists subgroups coalescing all over social media into what we describe as the militia sphere. The groups that we paid particular attention to. We're groups like the oath keepers, three percenters, and then the Google Movement as well, and we found that the militias fear has grown increasingly extreme across platforms as the pandemic lockdowns have continued to view such lockdowns as government overreach, or even a plot to justify a police state, and it's apparent that these communities have attempted to even explore recent protests, regarding the George George Floyd incident and we've seen enthusiasts from the Google Movement in particular. WHO'VE BEEN DONNING HAWAIIAN? Shirts at over forty protests the past week and they've even adopted George Floyd as a symbolic martyr. Yeah, so you're giving us a bit of a sense of how widespread these groups are, but do you have numbers, and and this is interesting this idea of malicious fear, so we have seen Bugaku chatter in particular doubling on social media platforms. Like Reddit, twitter, facebook and Instagram, and to give you a sense of the numbers. According to the Tech Transparency Project, there are over one hundred forty facebook groups. Connected to the Google Movement. And some of these groups boast tens of thousands of followers. Now they're out in the streets. You gave a number of the projected number of those who are infiltrating these protests like the George Floyd protests as well as corona virus reopening protests. Is there any sense of what they want? And what they're asking for? With the purpose of infiltrating these protests are so I earlier this year many of the platforms that we tracked. The Term Boo Goo was initially used to describe an uprising against a tyrannical government. In response to a perceived threat of widespread gun. Confiscation I we. I saw them in person actually at the Richmond, Virginia rallies. Earlier this year. But as we've outlined in our recent report, the animus is quickly shifted from theme to seem, and this really exemplifies the flexibility of this particular ideology. They're seeking the co-opt. These recent protests movements to further their own objective, and the objective is to promote sedition in civil war Attorney General William Bar said yesterday that he thinks it's mostly outside actors starting violence at these protests. Let's listen in many places. It appears the violence is planned. Organized and driven. By an Arctic and left. Extremist groups far-left extremist groups using Antifa like tactics, many of whom travel from outside the state to promote the violence buyers talking about far left extremists. But how much evidence is there to his point? How much are we seeing far left extremists stoking violence as well as far as you can tell from your research well current researching for left violence is on our radar, and most definitely in line with the mission of NCRI as the organization seeks to chart extremism on all political polls. we currently have some preliminary data on the nature of more extreme, leaning left-wing communities, but we are still very much in the preliminary stages, however on Wednesday. Federal prosecutors in Nevada charged three boo glue enthusiasts with terrorism offenses for plotted used Molotov cocktails explosives to incite violence George. Floyd protests. And, this is an isolated example of bugler adherence apprehended by police at recent protests. One young man from Denver Colorado self-described Bogu boy just last week was arrested near protests with numerous weapons, including several assault rifles and Tennessee a man who was armed with an era, fifteen was arrested at a protest who had earlier posted about the boo blue on social media. As you mentioned. These groups are mobilizing online and then going out into these protests. What do you think can be done and needs to be done to stop this type of thing from happening? I believe that social media companies need to be more proactive in identifying these groups once they crossed the line and Begin inciting violence and Organizing on highly politically volatile events to hijack the media narrative and I think some good steps have been taken. Read it just recently. SHUT DOWN SEVERAL BOO! Related Sub Brett's for. Inciting and glorifying. And that's step in the right direction and also from my understanding, facebook is now making it more difficult for users to find groups associated with the term Boo Goo. That's Alex Goldenberg. He is with the Network Contagion Research Institute, which has a new report out on extremists inserting themselves into protests. We will post link at here and now dot Org Alex. thank you so much. Thank you very much. Tanya happy to be here. Many of you may remember watching video from late May. Taken in Central Park. It was a white woman, threatening a black man who was bird watching. The man asked her to lead her dog in an area that we're that was mandated. The woman purposely called out the man's race in a phone call to police, and now this incident has sparked lots of action online Julie Grant from the allegheny front reports on a new social media trend called HASHTAG black burgers week. Monique Pipkin studies birds for the PhD. She's working on Cornell University, so when she saw a call for Black Blackburn to post a bird photo, she chose the chipping sparrow. That's the animal. I learned COMPATIB- bird with and these tiny little sparrows who have US lovely trill songs with a single, not repeated. Tweeden Martinez the PhD Student at University of Louisiana helped organize Hashtag blackbirds week on twitter instagram. She tweeted the northern mockingbird. Most people sometimes find. Find them annoying. I think they're really cool. It was one of a handful of photos. She posted of what she calls. Backyard birds just to show everyone out there. Especially Black Burgers that are just beginning you can probably find these birds or see them around very easily event co organizer. tikey James says as a kid in Philadelphia. His friends couldn't understand why he would get up early on weekends to go bird watching, but he remembers the. The thrill of seeing a bird he'd studied in a book out in nature, and I see a belted kingfisher female, sitting on a cattail, then swoops across Cops Creek, and you know makes that call that you know it's always gonNA be etched in my mind in I was just so president that moment that something that was on paper, turned into something real, but James wasn't surprised by the video in central park of a white woman calling. Calling the police on a black burder when I first saw honestly, it was just another video of in the long list of videos of white people entitlement weaponising police brutality to manage an inconvenience in their life. That involves a person of Color James says blackbirds week was conceived when a group called black AF in stem was talking online about it I initially didn't even watch the video because I knew exactly how it was going to end. I was wrong. Lead into blackbirds weak. The weak is included blackbird, posting photos of themselves in nature twitter check called ask a black burder, a data highlight, female murders and alive discussion called birding wall black on facebook hosted by the national. Audubon society where James Works. tweeted Martinez is amazed at how much attention they're getting I could never have imagined this I. Don't think any of US could have. This was something that was needed. And really the support means everything to all of us. Most images of birds and others in nature online are older, white people and Children Martinez hopes. Black Burgers Week will help Malays. Images of black people in the outdoors. She says for a black woman. Getting Ready to go. Birding can take a lot of effort. I have to look like a bird. Percent I make sure. I either a field guide in my hand of birds dry, so people can see that I'm I'm just here to bird. I'm not here to do anything else Martinez. Remembers being purposely splashed by a passing truck and others say they mostly bird in urban areas, and with white friends to avoid confrontation with people who might feel uncomfortable with a black burder, monique? Pitkin says she's only been able to go birding with other black people once in her life, just being able to see all of the amazing black naturalist, black biologists out there or just back, burgers or anyone who spending time in nature is. It's just signed. It's affirming and it's exhilarating, and it's really comforting. Honestly, we didn't pick our moment. But. We are rising to the occasion. James says the group effort to quickly put together Blackburn's week has meant a lot of long nights. He hopes it sets a precedent for future generations, not just that everyone has a place outdoors, but also that they can work together towards positive change. I have had something in my life that has been so fulfilling and that I could put so much of my energy into and get so much joy out of it. We were talking on one of the calls that we were just like. I'm exhausted but I will not stop smiling for here. Now I'm Julie Grant! Across. The Nation monuments to the confederacy are coming down in Alexandria. Virginia Birmingham Alabama and Tampa. Florida statues are being trucked away and confederate flags lowered in response to mass protests in the wake of the death of George Floyd, but perhaps the most notorious monument to be designated for removal, so far is the six storey statue of Robert E in Richmond Virginia and for more. We have with US Roberto. Role Dan. He's been covering the story for NPR member station V.. VP M. in Richmond and Roberta welcome. Thanks for having me on you. Yes, so yesterday governor North announced. Virginia will remove the Statue of Robert e Lee as soon as possible and set that Richmond is no longer the capital of the confederacy. What's been the response been they are? Well. I think it depends on who you ask right so richmond has until recently been a majority African. American city and a strongly democratic city, many residents, and especially the thousands of protesters who've been out in the streets have wanted to see these monuments taken down for a while, and you have some vocal opposition from pro confederacy groups, but From my reporting on this I think the majority of Richmond Irs are supportive of taking down the monuments, or at the very least not opposed to it. Yeah as you mentioned? This has been a discussion for a long time. There have been other calls to do this after the Charleston south. Carolina Church shooting for example or unite the right rally in Charlottesville Virginia, the other side of this is that we're reading. That confederate history groups don't want to see their statues destroyed by protesters, so they'd rather remove them to keep them safe. Can you say more about this? Year, so I mean I've seen that happen with the protest up in Alexandria believe but. I! Don't think that's the case here in Richmond just went through some of the facebook pages for the Virginia Flags Group, which is one of the big groups here. And they're calling. Protesters quote terrorists, and and saying that Democrats are using the protests as an excuse to pull the monuments down the Monument Avenue Preservation Group, which is a another pro confederacy group has a number of petitions directed at President Donald Trump, asking him to step in and stop the removal of the statues here so I'm not really hearing a whole lot of folks in Richmond saying. Let's take them down. You know preventatively. So of course, the Robert Elise statue is the most iconic statue of the confederacy, but there're others in July. The city council plans to vote whether to remove them all What can you tell us about that? Is that a real possibility? Yeah, that's right, so I mean before the protests and Corona virus happened. And we all sort of became health reporters might be is covering city hall, so the Mayor's office and City Council and what I can tell you. Is that just weeks ago? I don't think anyone would have predicted that the monuments would be coming down. City Councilman Michael Jones tried twice in the wake of Charlottesville and the death of heather higher at the hands of White Supremacists to put monument removal up for a vote here both times it failed to get a majority of Richmond City Council, but as of this morning, and in the wake of the protests that have been happening since Sunday here in the city of Richmond every member of Richmond City Council has now put out a statement saying that they will vote to take the confederate monuments down. That's reporter Roberto Role Dan of Richmond's. Member station VP am Roberto. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. For the first time since March, New York City has reported daily Cove One nineteen death toll of zero. That was yesterday zooming out. Cases are still on the rise in the US but at a slower rate than in April. Let's bring. Dr Rochelle Walinsky Chief of Infectious Diseases at Massachusetts. General Hospital and professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School. Dr Welcome and there were no new confirm cove nineteen deaths in New York yesterday, although three people who were untested, may have died from the disease, but still when you compare that to the peak in April when the city was losing at least five hundred people to the pandemic each day. What does it tell you? Well I. I think we should just celebrate an extraordinary event. Given how sick people have been how we've seen footage of morgues just been It's been a rough many weeks and so I think we should celebrate this really extraordinary achievement. What I will say is that when you start seeing the markers of death, they happen five six seven weeks after your intervention to prevent them, and so that's actually quite frustrating. Frustrating because you will have an intervention like closing everything down like the masks like the social distancing, and you can't see the benefit immediately, and what this tells you is all of that incredibly hard work that we did to stop everything in its tracks worked on. We're seeing it today, and so I think that that's really important to recognize that that the marker of yesterday is because we worked so hard in April. Okay, so then given that timeline of five six seven weeks. Let me bring two items to your attention Jacksonville Florida reopened its beaches on April seventeenth, which was seven weeks ago. We talked about it at the time. A lot of people were worried that that was going to Meena Spike. In cases they haven't seen that. Georgia allowed many businesses to reopen six weeks ago. Do you think that the fact that we haven't seen significant spikes in those states? Means that. What they have done is not catastrophic to the goal, which is to reduce the amount of cases and deaths not yet so I think that this is a. One person infects people infects four people, so I think you know we are starting to see the data. We have to watch it really carefully. I think we should wait another four or five weeks for us to say this was a win I. think is way too early to say that it's a win. If you look at the map of Florida, the cases that have been considered hotspots and Florida are along the. The coasts that's also wear. There's more crowding along the coasts. I'm I'm not ready to say that that this was all success, and we should go back to life as normal by any stretch of the imagination, time will tell I'm and certainly the day that you open the beaches. We shouldn't say seven weeks later is when you're gonNA. See the deaths, I. Mean I I think we really just need to wait? President. Trump says we shouldn't wait in his news conference today. He's saying states that are still lockdown should reopen that schools should reopen. What are your thoughts on how that reopening can take place at this point? A lot of people are wearing masks taking steps to lower their risk of transmitting the virus. Is there a way at this point that we can start to open things up? In a different way than maybe a month ago or six weeks ago. Yeah it's a really good point, and and I have one of the big challenges with this for the last three months. The public has heard from us all the things you can't do. And I really think now is the time to say these are all the things you can do, and here's how to do it safely. Because what very clear as we can't stay in our current state for forever right and people are going to be anxious to go out and start. Recuperating in some. Of Life so the question is. How do you do that safely and I think we need to start offering some more guidance in that space. I don't think it's. Public spaces no masks, lots of crowding I. Don't think that's the answer, but I do think if we had shifts or or sizes of numbers of people that could be entering stores, everybody wearing masks, people in different sections of the store so that they're not all on top of each other. There should be some guidance that we can give people to sort of say. This is the safe way to to re engage in in a shopping mall or in a hairdresser, and I think that that's on us. I'm and their statewide guidance in many different states in order to do that and I think it's really important to do. The public wants to know that information. Let me finally. Ask you just maybe for some glimmers of hope here. Is there anything you've seen? When it comes to a possible vaccine or treatment in the last week or so that encourages you. So I think that there's a lot of exciting news in vaccines. There has been in the last two weeks or so the modern are a vaccine. is in phase two trials. They're still talking about face. Three large scale trials starting as early as July similarly the Astra Zeneca I'm no virus. Vaccine is really looking to scale up and Dr. Chee has been very vocal that he's really quite optimistic about the time line here. I want to be cautious and say we're going to have a vaccine by X. Date, but. Do believe that by the fall we'll have three or four of these vaccine options in phase, three large-scale clinical trials I was like to state something with regard to the vaccine trials. The best quickest way to get a vaccine trial is to have a lot of disease out there right so you you vaccinate a whole bunch of people. They all get exposed because there's so much disease out there and and then you know who got prevent it. Who was prevented by the vaccine of not getting disease the problem with summer, and it's a good problem to have is. We're really hopeful. We don't have a lot of disease out there and so. You know probably in the fall we were are likely to see more disease, and that's really where we're going to be able to see the end point of these some of these vaccine trials, but I do think that it's good news that these vaccine trials are are enrolling in large scale or or looking to buy the summer, and that by the fall, and hopefully by the end of the year we should have some efficacy data to be able to roll some of these out. That is Dr Rochelle. WILL HIS Chief of Infectious Diseases at Massachusetts General Hospital a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, Dr Thank you again for joining us. Thanks so much for having me. Well in Russia Vladimir Putin has declared a state of emergency after a giant fuel spill in a remote Arctic region, Putin his angry at the slow response to the accident, which took place a week ago. Environmentalists are comparing it to the nineteen eighty nine Exxon Valdez oil spill off the coast of Alaska. NPR's Lucian Kim reports from Moscow. President Putin held an emergency teleconference on Wednesday after news trickled back to Moscow, an environmental catastrophe north of the Arctic Circle. WHO, in this new citizen, institution and delivery or Putin glared. Giant teleconference screen Gina grilled them over there sluggish response after fuel reservoir at a power plant collapsed. Spilled more than twenty thousand tons of diesel. We're going to list it was. Virginia. Putin asked why local authorities only found out about the via social media's declared a state of emergency. Stop Bit. Television show rescue workers had put up special booms on the contaminated river to contain the spill. But as a Friday morning, only one hundred fifty tons of oil products had been recovered. The company responsible for the accident risk nickel is one of Russia's largest metal producers. It plans to clear away contaminated soil and collected toxic mix of water and fuel from the river Alexei conditioning cuff of the World Wildlife Fund. Russia says a big problem is the remoteness of the location eighteen hundred miles from Moscow that has no roads there, so it's twelve difficult. Difficult to bring enough storage capacity to keep this fuel it's it's huge amounts. He says the spill is comparable to the Exxon Valdez disaster thirty years ago in terms of volume, but not environmental impact, since the polluted water is unlikely to make it to the open sea. My understanding the the main victims of this conversation will be fish in river and lake. Of says that most of the diesel fuel isn't cleaned up will simply evaporate greenpeace. Russia is less optimistic, it says the spill poison, the delicate Arctic environment for many years to come with global warming. The Arctic environment is changing rapidly as permafrost, the layer of soil that stays frozen throughout the year is beginning to thaw in the summers. A Real Skinny pickles has thawing frost may in fact have caused a diesel fuel tank to collapse in the first place on national TV, the real nickel vice president, Sergei to Chango, insisted the company did not try to hide the catastrophe where national super super. Repulsive. The local mayor knew about the situation should have informed the governor who answers? From those Thursdays local law enforcement or form at the power plant where the accident took place. He faces up to five years in prison for violating environmental protection rules. Lucian Kim NPR News Moscow. During the great recession, payday loans, quick loans with high interest rates surged, and now with unemployment numbers just over thirteen percent and an unclear economic future. Some experts predict a new uptick for more on this we're joined by Charles, Rios a researcher with the Center for responsible lending. Welcome, thank you Tonya. Thanks to your listeners for having me, so let's start with the two thousand nine financial crisis. We actually saw an uptick in borrowers taking out. payday loans during that time despite the high interest rates of those loans. Now is the country faces record unemployment in an economic uncertainty? Do you anticipate this same pattern to repeat at Sierra? We anticipate payday lenders are going to continue to target distressed borrowers, because that's what they have done best. Since the two thousand nine financial crisis, and before that payday lenders have marketed themselves as a quick financial fix, and it says that in their marketing often when you go to these websites are into a storefront, you'll see signs or advertisements for quick cash money today, words that imply a things around getting money fast right. All the rhetoric mix. It seem like they're safe place, but they're encouraging people to get into these. Debt traps with triple digit interest rates upwards to three hundred or four hundred percent. we won't see of course the hard data until next year embiid, even then it will be on a state by state basis, because there isn't a central place with our federal government that requires all states to report on payday lending. Let's talk about that debt trap for a moment. What happens to to people who typically take out these high interest loans? Do you have data on what happens to those that turned to payday loans during the Great Recession for instance? Yeah, we do so. We know that people who take out. These loans will often be stuck in quicksand of consequences that lead to a debt traps that they have an extremely hard time getting out of if they're able to get out of it, the process of getting a payday loan a for your listeners. That are not familiar with the product is that the money is often lent without any confirmation of any ability to repay that loan? The lender gets access to that borrowers bank account. The lender collects the funds during the next payday, because they have direct access to that bank account putting them first in line to be repaid so inevitably the borrowers end up at their next pay period with their other bills do in the lenders tend to flip the borrower into a new long, and we've seen through research. That typical payday bar were nationally is trapped in ten loans year. Some of those long term, consequences can be really dire thinking about bank penalty fees when your accounts are overdraw damaged credit that stays on your record years. Even worse bankruptcy, there's some research to that. His link use of payday loans to worse health outcomes as well. Some states have actually banned payday lending, arguing that they lead to people as you mentioned incurring this unpayable debt to high interest fees, but for those states without those bands. Are there any protective or regulatory measures in place? Yeah, I'm so. There's been a few that have been put in place, so we know for example one was in Wisconsin where payday lending is. That the state regulator issued a statement cautioning payday lenders. increasing interest rates, fees or costs during this Cova nineteen crisis. In that failure to do so may result in license, suspension or revocation, which is a great thing that the state has done considering the harms of payday lending overall, there's also some states that have such as California that capped their loans at thirty six percent for longer term installment loan, which was a huge win. An we see bipartisan support across the nation for things such as thirty six percent rate cap. You've mentioned. Mentioned the state by State interventions, but are there any federal regulations that we see on the horizon? Yeah, that's a great question There's one that we're keeping our eyes on which is from the consumer financial protection bureau so in two thousand seventeen. They did issue a Brule to look at a person's ability to repay a payday loan, but it seems like based on what is being set forth by the PB. PB does far that that rule may be rescinded, and that will result in folks who take out payday loans, not looking at their ability to repay before they take out that loan inevitably that results in them, being stuck in that debt trap by taking out one loan, having it be repaid by another loan, and so forth I wanna go back to what recourse people have so with banks clamping down on loaning what? What can people actually do? Although a marketers are marketing themselves as a quick financial fix? The reality of the situation is that more often than not people are stuck in a debt trap that has led to bankruptcy that his lead to rebar, wearing his lead to damage credit and to avoid that. If at all possible, that's Charles Rios a researcher for the Center for responsible lending. Thank you so much, thank you. And here now is a production of NPR in Wvu are in association with the BBC World Service I'm Tanya loosely. I'm Jeremy Hobson. This is here now.

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Changing the game of Veganism with James Wilks

Limitless with Josh Patterson

31:05 min | 1 year ago

Changing the game of Veganism with James Wilks

"Hello and welcome to limit this podcast with me. Junction Patterson passionate about sharing the stories of courage and resilience each week. Oh I will be interviewing. Extraordinarily people didn't want to live. He sold pasta ticks you Tom. Postal moments of adversity and strand. My hope is it this podcast can inspire you to step outside of your limits and achieved. Things never possible. Welcome to limitless before we were today's guests. I WANNA say massive. Thank you to to the sponsors of today's episode Sweaty Betty. I lost this podcast to celebrate people's incredible mental physical strength. Which is why it's such such a pleasure to work with a brand new champions these moments of success helping you to fill your most powerful sweaty? Betty's products are designed by an all female team including the power leggings which are made from high stretch fabric engine. It's lost and have the ability to motivate you to move and feel strong in your workouts the sweaty betty team where test their products themselves. which really makes you realize how passionate they are about building authentic female active web brand Saverne female listeners out there he wants to check out the Brown for themselves sweaty? Betsy are offering twenty percents of using the code limitless at sweaty betty dot dot com slash. podcast they also host hundreds of free workout clauses. Every week in this store's definitely worth keeping an eye out on how you can get involved but sweaty betty community. Thank you so much sweaty betty. Today I'm joined by a man responsible for the revolution of today's generation. And how how we perceive plant based Diet with his documentary on let flex the game changes four meat eater who has adopted new approach to his life and routine for himself and for others does. His voice is not to tell someone what they should or should not do but to educate them on the facts to bunt the myths to give society a chance to make clear and free decision in life of what will work best for them today. Straight off the plane from America. I'm joined by James Works James. Oh my God thank you so much you. You've just come off the airplane. I have rushed to rancher the airport. Dylan's running late so I apologize for being late but thanks for having me on no thank you so much I mean I reached out to you the minute I watched your documentary so for those of you. That don't know who James Works is. He is the man behind the game changes arguably arguably a documentary on Netflix. That is taking the world by storm and I would say as a whole it's mostly positive but naturally it has faced some backlash yeah totally. It's overwhelming the response. We're still not numbers in yet. Netflix doesn't release the numbers. It was also an also an itunes and all these other platforms and we got the numbers from those. It'd be interesting to see my guess would be somewhere so far be close to thirty forty fifty. Million so vaunted apparently Oh keeps growing. We've been told by Netflix. It's an exciting. It's incredible I mean like I said most people know you as the man from the game changes but for those that haven't watched it. Yeah I really you want to give them a paycheck if the person that you are kind of pre net flicks pre documentary just so they can get a better understanding kind of Johnny and to that point. Yeah I mean so so I moved to the states when I was twenty two years old to continue studying martial arts I was a big fan of martial arts. I've been studying since I was a kid. And then I just thought of side training meaning these elite government agencies so US Marines US marshals US Navy Seals Swat teams things like that and then in two thousand eight turning pending had a few professional MMA fights but it just sort of fun on the side because my main focus is real self defense so I also teach like knife this arms and gun disarms and Biting Gorging and multiple opponents and that type of thing but of course. You can't do that Marley right. You can't go on the street and pick fights the test your skills. The closest thing was the spoiled mixed martial arts so every year I'd have a fire or to just before professional fight just for fun turning thirty years old and in two thousand I think twenty nine in two thousand eight so I was thinking. Meanwhile I don't want to look back and sat could have done that. I said Oh yeah I could afford the UFC and my I was watching the ultimate fighter reality show and I said to my roommates. The time I could beat all of those guys they said Oh yeah go on then try so tried off the ultimate fight. The God on been living in the states for nine eighty nine years at this point I had to fly back to England and then the next day fight. People ought to get on the English team so then on the team it was UK so as you cave us as USA USA flew back if the live in the house for like seven or eight weeks and you fight and you've got this sort of pyramid and then end up winning the ultimate fighter and got got a contract with the with the UFC and then after a few fights. I got injured. And that's when I started this journey into nutrition. I mean isn't my Jenny. Your your country boy on the mainland born Born in less Raised in Melton Mowbray which is the capital of food which is pretty. Funny I'd get into nutrition attrition. Yeah so my mom lives in Stamford which which isn't too far away It's amazing that you made that transition over to America because actually their whole the. UFC fight is from England. They want it's not at the time in fact now this much more. Yeah but back. In the day there was actually only one black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu in the whole of the United Kingdom at that time so especially Jujitsu England's always had good Thai boxing kickboxing You know not really rasping like in the US and not the Brazilian Jujitsu. So and then based been Benway's sprint. Yeah Michael Mashburn wanted earlier. Version of the ultimate fighter and officers in amazing fighter. As as well so you kind of got into enemy fighting and then it all kind of it changed when you had you and cut an injury right. Yeah absolutely so I got into training for a fight. I was actually spying spying with overdue and we went on to become Heavyweight champion of the NFC so we had about eighty or ninety pounds on me and we were sparring and basically tore ligaments in both my knees. two weeks before had to pull out and I knew that I'd have about six months. So malware I really couldn't train properly so I thought what can I do productively with my time time related to my career and so I thought well I'll start digging into optimal nutrition for recovery and then athletic performance. And that's when I came across a study study about the Roman gladiators and basically scientists analyze the bones The only known gladiator burial site in the world actually episodes Turkey. Sixty eight gladiator. Glad to skeletons five thousand bones and there's things that they can do is go to strontium calcium analysis in a radio isotope analysis and analyze the bones they could tell eating almost almost exclusively plants that come true. Because you're going to have animal protein me or at least eggs or something every meal in order to be an athlete and maintain muscle mass. That type of thing. That really got me digging deeper into the research. And that's when I came to realize that we have been led to believe this myth. You know the athletes need me. You need me to be strong and healthy and sort of underlying all of that as a man. I felt we needed me as well. Especially I thought you know I'll women could do okay without me. But for some reason I thought couldn't and that's when I started realizing this real many meet myth was underlying this as well. Where did it come about even being approached to do a documentary? Is this something that you went in my time. I want to create something. I want to educate people the way I have been or was it something that was kind of approach to yourself. No no so I I. I was doing this research and I kept getting frustrated because I felt like I being lied to write amok from the industry and then you know I thought I knew about nutrition by realized I was getting mainly Frahm You know magazines fitness magazines blogs websites. And of course that's also influenced by industry including not only the advertising that they do in those magazines on the websites but also the industry funded research. That's also making. Its way in that and so I was just really frustrating. If I've been lied to and I hate being lied to and so actually just woke up at two in the morning and I gotta tell everybody about this this. Bs We got to let people know being lighter than they can make their own decisions then right and so two in the morning light sleep you know turned to my wife so I'm GonNa make a documentary site Walton. Like I got to make a documentary about this uh literally when cold the director of Photography Everett Mater from the ultimate fighter. Austin Camera I should buy went onto youtube. Learn how to do the three point. Point lightning bought some wireless mics and just interviewing some people Very early on met Joseph Pace. Who's been planned base for like twenty five years at the time time he was working with Dr Gregor Nutrition? Facts DOT ORG on. It's probably not the only people that look at every single english-language nutrition article in every gentle every year about twenty seven thousand scientific articles. They make Lehman's videos. It's really great for people who just WANNA spend three minutes on a topic. They make three minute videos. And it's all the citations so he WHO's working for them and he does some screening experience. We got together inside. Working on documentary might flow. Then we raise some funds and it took a long time a long long project it was like if it was like a fight. There was like three rounds. You know it was like It was myself in With the camera and then it was. We hide it produce But we felt like the quality wasn't now we need more funds and in the third round was getting Lewis. Ohio SAT director. Who's got the most award? Winning documentary of all time called the cove and then with Jim in Cameron and two-time at you know which is the best awarding F- added thing and the top documentary writer in Hollywood and so that was around three right. That was the real. Wow team and shooting shooting in four K.. And better cameras high speed cameras and because the quality is fantastic. Yeah what we realized you know in that second round was okay. The quality Is is just not good enough and also we need like a mosque storyteller. Like interesting stories that people having the film and unfortunately film like fifty more people than we put in. We got six hundred hours of footage down into like eighty six minutes And it was a shame to lose all those other really interesting stories and even with each individual. You don't get to tell the full story but yeah we just We realized the specially like the younger demographic and people into sports are used to watching like ESPN or UFC. So you're GONNA have to give them that type hyper quality of you want it to be entertaining and professional one hundred percent and I think having watched it myself it just it takes the boxes. I think it's the fact that you're not just focusing on one or two sports. You'll focusing on multiple. You know even just I was writing some notes here and correct me if I'm wrong with them. But just things like the executive producers. You've got James Cameron. Marin Yep Arnold Schwarzenegger Jackie Chan Lewis. Hamilton Novak Djokovic. The Chris Paul when you look at these names we're not talking about menial. Names talking about major names. I don't know it's pretty easy just to arcades. Let's destroy Arnold Schwarzenegger and then sell documentary. The reality is just Justin not listed learn amish was negative is arguably the most successful bodybuilder of all time so times have an influence that he has is astronomical Domenico Lewis Hamilton he's arguably one of if not the greatest Formula One drivers of generation if not of all time and then you go jovovich again. That guy's is being number one. For how many years now these guys at the top of their game and you know what kind of frustrated me. I did an interview recently with pays Morgan Piers Morgan. Starts you know criticizing you know sort of tennis in that. You don't need to be strong. It's nonsense we're not necessarily talking about strength. We're talking about performance an and in various styles of performance right so you could split it evenly into like obviously there's a lot more complex this but like strength and endurance you know with the Novak that final that we had recently Wimbledon was one of the longest the longest final had so in terms of endurance. And then his Morgan also made another joke about Louis. How anyone can drive a car? I can drive a car and it's actually one of the really frustrating things and it's actually in twenty two minute bonus content. That's coming out in the next week or two and it was. It was also played in theaters. We ran into a little bit more of the interview with Lewis Hamilton. And the reason it didn't make the film is because to a lot of people it's hard to understand why being a race car driver is athletic and actually took sort of a minute and a half two minutes to unpack that explain to people. I mean it's incredible right so he loses ten pounds of waterway in a race on on the break when he's got hit hitting the corners it's two hundred and twenty pounds of pressure on the break every time with one leg and he's literally fee on even on the floor they're elevating is holding the plank doc while his feet arresting on those pedals but you kind of the way on the pedals so his core strength they hit more Geez around the corner than a fighter pilot I mean it's just it's like if you understand the shape there is an old. They'll do that. It's it's incredible load of feedback that people kinda putting out the there were saying okay. Yeah it's really impressive to see sort of a minority of athletes ramallah-based diets right but the majority haven't shown the oral meet with the funny thing is said we documentaries ready Berkshire both sides but the thing is already in the contrast and no one's arguing that you can not build muscle on me. Clearly you can and you also have to remember that the the minority of people are also Vegan plant based and so you know when we were filming two of the top. Ten heavyweight boxers in the world were completely Vegan. So that's twenty percent percents. Top ten heavyweight boxers in the world right whereas only one percent of the population is being so twenty percent of the top. Ten every box is one percent. We think that the data's that the not only can you be equivalent who was actually a performance in an health advantage to getting the vast majority of their calories from plants if not all of them white eating as though we have if such a thirst for knowledge as an athlete. Everybody wants to get an edge. That's why so many high performance athletes take steroids right because they want the edge. Why is it when somebody he sang? If you adopt a plant based Diet you'll performance will go up by acts. Inflammation will reduce X Y. They then turning around and Guy Whoa. WHOA WHOA WHOA? WHOA WHOA? This isn't right like this. Is it just because we've had meat or a particular Drilled into a mindset for so long that we just can't accept change. Yeah Yeah I think that's a big part of it. I mean I think that's when you look at some of the rebuttals of come out you can dig into it and there's there's literally still industry Influence on that there's people ah paid spokespeople people funded by industry. Then you got the carnivore. Dia Kito Diet folks. That is heavy animal based usually I mean there's some people doing Vegan pita but generally it's people doing a lot of meat I think people are just emotionally attached. It's a behavior that you've been doing three times a day. Your whole life It's pretty hard to accept that. Hey maybe that's not the best way of doing things you know. Maybe you should be eating more plants and again it doesn't have to be Ahmad if you look on our website. It's like all of something doesn't have to be all nothing. You can get benefits just from you know getting more plants in your diet. I mean everyone's getting all telling us to be Vegan. That's not what we're trying to do. The reason why I wanted to have this discussion with you today is because I am not to and I can't see personally having watched this documentary entry where the negative is. Yeah I mean I think from that point of view festival and not only eating the meat themselves with all these professionals have been giving advice on on you know how much meat or whatever so they suddenly feel threatened. Like wait a minute. This is not what I've been recommending. How my look to my clients or whatever so I think they feel threatened in that regard and then people will say Oh that Cherry picking and try and point out you know so but but when you make film it's not like you're writing a scientific dissertation you've also gotTa gotTa make entertaining so you're only certain amount of time to put the science in and of course there's no one study that proves anything right so you have to take the preponderance or the totality of evidence but in doing that you you can't? It's difficult to explain the totality of evidence without giving some examples. And so that's what you're doing and you know. Another criticism awesome is all of the studies that you did want scientific validated but we literally included that in the film when the erectile function experiment doctor and spits Susan Lee Delegate of Urology of the American Medical Association he says this isn't a scientifically vacillated study. It was just an illustration of the science that we know and we could have cut that out. We didn't have to include that bit but we wanted to be open and say look this. This is only three people. You know there wasn't enough controls in you can only showed little bits in the film and then people always say cherry picking. The studies went valid. Whatever do you feel like the battle that you're facing right now is is exactly the same has the environment to one that we're faced with where the you know? The proof is in the pudding. The evidence is that and yet we all still blinded by. It's like it's not happening and it is like if if you look at the the rates of obesity. Cholesterol that flying through the roof. You know I did. I watched his committee recently on on American School. And you know I think it was something like tomato. Puree is classified as a vegetable. French fries is classified vegetable. Because let's go potato in it yeah It's like it's I mean I'm not saying the England is a or the UK is is any better but like it's madness that the people are allowed to get away with this you know we have a responsibility ability with the younger generations that we have. I have a two year old daughter and this is why I'm heavily invested in this because I think to be ignorant ignore it would be a detriment into her. Totally people have got. Kids should be worried about what's happening with our planet and also the health you know we need to. We need to be educated and and get people moving the right directions while they're reading as well. I think aesthetically your presence demands the attention of those that watch and I think you've gone against against the grain in terms of what people think that what is so thought provoking for so many viewers is that they're looking at you looking at so many different athletes. Now who aren't who they suspected you know that. It's not the stereotype that is being for so long and I think that may be why it's changed the game because unfortunately I don't think the environment to other people is enough off to make that transition right sometimes it is just based on vanity right and aesthetic. There's actually research being done on that as well showing like vanity And another thing. That's sort of personally affects you. You know is going to be a number one. Motivator vanities I held a second environments third and Animal Rights is fourth in terms of people switching towards more plant based waist eating But then having said that people will get into it sometimes for vanity or their own sexual performance so thirty performance or whatever and because of these you sort of You've got cognitive dissonance right. Like if you think that it's normal natural necessarily tweet meet. You're not gonNA WANNA accept some of those things about your behavior right people. We don't like to hear about things about the habits that they think that they enjoy and so you set up these barriers but at this wall. I'M GONNA listen to any arguments about water pollution an or the environment or the animals or whatever else because you believe that you have to have it but once you're eating this way and you've seen the science and you realize that you can do then and you think your mind starts opening up And even familiar. I wasn't into the environment or animals or anything but once they thought eating this way and I felt better I only did. As an experiments experiments thought we have been. You know I've stuck with it. Now you start thinking more about yeah. I want the planet to be good for my children. I don't want to pollution. I don't like loss of I don't want to uh-huh killing all of the the biodiversity the wildlife or you know so now I've got like solar panels on my roof for drive a hybrid car now even thought about that before. But but I think I was just a barrier up before before the people in the eighteen to thirty four age group. Were more likely to switch veganism. Why did he get that? Demographic ethic specifically that seemed to be invested more into this I think people are more open minded first of all the longer. You've been doing something. The hottest it is to China. I think that's one thing right and then I think the younger people are really starting to. I think the Internet has a big thing to do with it right. The there's good and bad about the Internet. You can can put a load of crap on the Internet but also good and documentaries especially the access with like Netflix itunes and like being able to see documentaries and I I wouldn't believe any documentary at face value including my own like I say researcher on experience absorb what is useful reject. What is useless? Add what is specifically. When I'm quoting Bruce Lee right and like I? I'd PAL that with my search for truth in combat which is how I got to where I got with martial arts and my search for truth and nutrition and I encourage people to do the same thing any time. I make a claim you look on the bottom left of the screen does the citation. Sometimes there's Studies popping up and you can see the the the citation there so I encourage me with really digging and look into it and I do think that the younger generation is more willing to to spend a bit of time looking into things and so they're more open to the environmental stuff. Or you know how I just think and people become. I think people are going more health conscious now as well. Do you know the statistics of what they still had in terms of impacts within the UK or is it If you focus more by being an American but yeah so you know Google trends right so you can you. We've searched by country the UK and the US and worldwide in Canada and Australia and a bunch of other countries. And so I think the biggest indicator is is that on the day that the film Netflix. Now come out in theaters for one night. Only we did fifteen hundred around the world. And then we're on itunes in Google play and from then it's actually gone up about three and a half times the interest in plant based eating so if you type in plant based if you type in planets recipes play starched I mean primates let me see athletes. There's a massive spike and interesting Google trends. which is also still growing And you see the real spike hit the day that the film had netflix excited. So that's not a coincidence. And also the next day after that was the first time in years that the interesting Kito was less than the entries interested interesting in in Vegan. So if you look at I mean a year ago the interesting Kita was ten times the interest in Vegan on Google trends and because of the film that interest. There's just totally switch. And there's more interest in veganism and plant based eating now there's a A vegan website that reached out just in the UK and they've tracked that membership and for years. The I got up to like twenty five thousand members and the day. The film came out massive spikes same as Google trends and then out like four and a half times. They're gone over one hundred thousand for for the first time I mean I I'm ever and quadrupling quadrupled their the interest in that facebook page. So we have. We're going to be digging into more metrics and of course the do that you've I've got a You know high people that specialize in that so we all we all going to do that and get more data because we do want to see the impact that it's made and see what we can do to create even greater impact one of the main reasons. Why a Lotta people meet is b twelve right Yep and actually what the research has shown now is that actually the levels of B twelve? She we all consuming from the meats is actually limited jets limited not only is it limited but it's also Because the food that they don't doesn't have you know it's actually created by bacteria but the the animals are actually fed B twelve to. Oh if you're if you're a Vegan you have to supplement while you're already supplement. You're not only supplementing so so. Vegans Typically Low oh and B twelve and vitamin D. There's the two vitamins right well. Those two vitamins are actually and a bunch of others is supplemented in the food. Chang so you're supplementing you're just getting indirectly and that's the thing so b twelve would have been in the water and the soil and everything else but now he's sanitizer water which is a good thank. You don't WanNa get color and things like that. But with that comes the destruction of the B twelve in the water as well and you know up to forty percent of people low and B twelve most of those reading meet so it's just a good idea to supplement with B twelve. And even even if you have a plant based on it you still suggest to to take vitamins right. Vito Vitamin B twelve. Yeah you can do once a week like twenty five hundred. Did I use or you can do it daily. I think it's a couple hundred years But yeah ever everyone. That's on a completely vegan. Diet should absolutely be supplementing would be twelve. Interestingly distinctly omnivores are lower than vegans and nine vitamins and minerals Vitamin A precursors B One b sixty nine C and vitamin C. N. A. and then magnesium manganese potassium and copper. So they're actually lower and a bunch of so. I don't know where people are coming. All if you're on a Vegan Diet you have to supplement while omnivores was lower than a bunch of vitamins and minerals than than Vegan. saw this he said you know animals are actually doing it to serve by robbing the fiber and vital nutrients right because because he said you know kind of all of the pesticides and things. And I think even said here. They're inflammatory mediators right right. He myron. And tammy our and there's all these things that people have learned more about in the last ten years though we know a PLO inflammatory inflame your arteries they delay recovery time. So so those are in animal. Foods Yeah they're all being the five and ninety percent of Americans keep going back to Americans because I've lived. Ninety percent of Americans are deficient five. Oh his fiber come from. It comes from plan foods you you know. And even if you listen to the Paleo advocates right sal. We should be getting much five. If you look back. The Paleo researchers say on average were getting about one hundred grams of fiber Ridi- right which is a lot more than the current recommendations. But the funny thing is vegans. Getting much closer to that. Then people on the Paleo Diet because you're displacing every time an animal food you're displacing if there's an opportunity cost of eating more whole plant foods right. So people on the Paleo Diet not even getting close to the fiber takes recommending but certainly there is evidence dents that eating more naturally produced animal foods better than having the stuff from factory farms. You don't want hormones right. Although people forget that it's also also the hormones in animal estrogen. Animal Foods is identical to that of humans. A good example of why they've shown that completely wild-caught meat has about half of the inflammation off sort of standard produce. Meat so still inflammatory right in the test. The three things I something called. CIP Protein Tanf Alpha and six. And they test these sort of Markers of inflammation and sure enough about about half the amount of information and then the other thing you got to remember is that plants are anti inflammatory. So if you're GONNA eat some animal foods cut down the amount of it and the meal any a lot of plant foods with it so that like if you just did a bunch of animal foods here and then later did a bunch of plan would actually be better to split that up and have a bunch of plant foods with those animals that can help counter some of that inflammatory effect. I think the first step is only having plant based options right and so for example just in California. It's now a law that right Hospital all hospitals have a plant based option. Because it's crazy right. You're going to hospital for heart disease. And maybe they give you hot Henry. Then they give you the same foods that just gave you the disease in the first place vice so nice just being made law That planet options have to be available in every hospital in California and often what happens in California and New York than spreads around the states and then that spreads around the world right right so I think that's a big first step. You said something that really stands out for me is that we are not trying to say go vegan or vegetarian. Trying to dispel some myths and let people will make their own decision. How can you argue? That's it I think the one thing that people say well. Why did you only include Vegan athletes? You know I'm first of all. Not everyone is compulsory. Nate Diaz a little bit of fish little eggs in a while but he wasn't shown as an interview on Swatch Negga doesn't drink Darrien. His cut down as eighty eighty percents was mainly clear. He's not completely reading right. But all of the other athletes we interviewed onscreen whole deal athletes. They were complete and the reason that we did that is because otherwise it was has had. Let's say it's the fish that a once a week all the chicken the once a month. That's giving them protein. So yeah we use feeding athletes but only as an example. But really. We're just you you know. We all hoping people shift towards more plant based eating but people should get whatever they want. I always say to individuals when they come onto the podcast. Because I think it's important to recognize those that have supported you what other happen If you could give recognition and thanks to anyone that supported you along this journey who would you reach out to. I'm I think there's lots of people you know the people on the team Joseph Pacers other producer on the team and co-producer Shannon Cornell Sen You know there's so many people at team it's like eight hundred people that helped me the film. Probably but AL of anyone. You know the biggest president-elect thank my wife for being supportive of travel the four continents. It's taken years out of my life. Live sort of preventing her doing things that she wanted to do. So Yeah my wife Alicia you know. Really great for for looking rackets and looking out for the family. It's a sacrifice sacrificed but I think it's one that's GonNa make a change in this world. I think this is a really exciting time. And I think as you said the impact that you've had in society over short period of time. Oh I'm ready has been unbelievable. Even if you can change a person's perception of how they think a scientist by one percent. If you had to pull those one percents around the world it can make such a big difference so I just WanNa say I'm so privileged genuinely from the bought my heart to have you on here today because like I said I think repeal of a new revolution of how how we treat on nutritional values how we approach it how we think so may own ASEA. Thank you so much and I'm really looking forward to seeing what impact this is is going to happen. Why plus a live performance with things coming up while I'm looking for us? We'll see your brother. Thank you guys. Thank you so much for tuning into limitless. This podcast is something. I'm sorry passionate about would love if you'd let me know your thoughts and opinions pinions by leaving a rating and review in the comments section. It really helps me to spread the word. If you think this story might resonate with someone you know then weekly. Share it with your friends and don't forget to subscribe to don't miss out new episode. Every Thursday will be talking to more inspirational guests. You're seeing pasta limit until next

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Crossroads with Special Guests- Carl Johnson and James Annitto

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Well yeah you get back to you. Jodi southwest crap I know nothing going on. Oh sure go ahead throw me under the bus. It homework work. Wow jody's had boring though we could crowd. Well that's always our crappy. Yeah it's i- messy. We don't wanna get those so I know but we do have a really good night tonight because we got special two hour. We don't want you know. Yeah and we don't want to waste any time either. No but we do wanna dollars. Our guys ready guys ready. Are you ready to not anyway. I want to colorado people listening to know that if they go on their computer and they click on the link that i post it. They can get right into the chat room for some reason. It's hard to get in there on your phone so if you wanted to go in the chat room and ask questions you can do that or you can call us at three two three seven. Oh three eight seven seven three two three eight seven zero three eight seven seven. If you have any questions for are really super great guests we have tonight. They are two of the great one. Thank you thank you thank you. There are two of the wheeled and go ahead. Today are awesome. Yes we appreciate having onto night. This is going to be fun. Yeah so go ahead. We have coral johnson. The one and only carl johnson donald. How you gotta do. We're doing very well tonight. How 'bout yourself. How good you know. we're gonna do always well. that's awesome. yes we are here for you. Are you ll as well. You're very good all right. I wanna have. I wanna have. He's having all right what he's got bad boy. Hey i did not. I did not say. I wasn't my i feel i know back. Did you hear that we're back. We're doing good. Even though you know like i said i've been just organizing my house which is very boring thing minority investigate and it's very hard to get in and you know any kind of investigation going because of the covert and all that fun stuff and so it's getting boring. Yeah we were trying to get in burlington county. Jail and jersey has strict rules right now. Kobe so we can't get in there right now. So we're looking at me where we haven't really investigated you there. We've done a few consultations but you know we haven't been really physically viz either right how we all as far as story to conventions and going out to see people interested you know. There's been very little of that but thank god. Yeah we can speak to. Yeah that's good. That's the way to get through. You have to avoid laying on of hands so Yes i can guys eating candy. I hear you eating well. He thought since you couldn't see us right get away with it so for people who don't follow other some. Yeah cognizant that yeah we we. We are chocolate tears so radio shows are chocolate tears. Each other's here we have. Yes you know when you do our best not to crunch on my on live air. We apologize would have to crunch. Yeah i know. Look at the game. He eats like like crazy. Lead all that good. Well yeah that that is. That's part of his mystique that he stays slim and trim and the show takes a lot of work again even with a dinner. You well tonight i did. But i made homemade robin bulls nothing wrong with homemade robin bowl. Rolling balls roman ball. He made roman ball robin ball. Yeah hey he's wow programming bowls. I've bowl robin bowl ron ronnie. You're always with him. you're always eating. Yeah okay i always cooked. That's why does yeah. Yeah do you started out right. Yeah that yes we. We know all about Exactly who again though lose loose. Boy i blew. Is it a big deal. But i i. It's a big metal one. It's a big yet actually was a big metal big little school. Oh yeah. I don't have to worry. Yeah good winner in the pot. That's good Let's go to send a cooking show dinner with james. What's true smart. Martha stewart's home living rate. Now that's what i feel like. I'm like i like that. Yeah well then you gonna treat me. You'd like it i Maybe some shrimp jason's off. This is the favorite famous room. Oh well hi. It's been celebrated adventures. That's only reason we made. So how is joke this. This room is more famous than carl. Or i or anybody else. Because it's all joking of course jokes about jokes on the if you don't my room and you watch her shows and you watch like duo dame knowledge -nology the time many times we've done our shows from here you know and then you see it on ghost adventures. You'll you know my my room with the stars pulses in the lord of the rings action figures and the back. It's hard not knowing my room. If you follow us or follow carl course but joke that cause the route was ghost veterans. Now tamous. jody. I think there was hitting their too. Yeah would they hit follow. Yeah follow jamie knowledge. Www algae dot org although them wherever they go. How many drinks never new show We're we're to go. Oh yeah we have. We have a lot of talk high-octane energy here going this chocolate so you tell us when you're old or what he wants to hear. That will follow through definitely if you talk dark side paranormal investigations. The last time you got into anyone about if you wanna talk about you know the darker side. You know deeming allergies what we do or if you'd like to talk about so zoology and you know. Animal husbandry we. Can we can talk some time. We can do this. Yeah slavic made him my water. You wanna talk with you. Pay my nickle soda topic. We we're already. We're being flushed last week. Maybe they were not funny enough money. Well thank you I wanna know what it's called a million fart smell. I just need to. I have to play this one. I wanted to. I just had to do this. I don't know why take that one. I feel like me. You're minions minions yeah normal. Who said it's supposed to be. Oh god okay. So what's your favorite topics or paranormal investigator. Well we try to combine segue one can segue into the other I like to talk. I like to combine Shadow persons phenomenon shadow goes and you followed you like well. ultra terrestrial strange beings throughout the world that infiltrate our society and. We really don't know why they here. Or what is their agenda but they seem very interested enough and sometimes they're seen and sometimes they just show up in photographs. You know sometimes people will be thinking picture in public or not even looking for anything necessarily paranormal and these strange shadow like beings appear there in printed in the picture. We don't know where they come from what they are. You can say ghost okay. It's very blanket term but they are around there. Creepy people see them sensitive people will send them What we really don't know a lot about the the strange wonder strange things about the business. Their clothes sometimes they wearing cloaks hats and they seem like with your nothing to laugh at right then. Men in black are out there and We don't know if they are infiltrating our society. What their purposes. They don't seem concerned with our daily issues. They may be you know like tobin concerns and you know political strife. I don't know if they're interested in that at all. We just know that they pervade our society for whatever purpose i think they're multi dimensional. I think they're say that yeah. Are they space aliens. I i really maybe beijing you know they come from another planetary system. I don't know either inter dimensional. Probably do they mean us harm. Dono do not know you think they could do some damage. Maybe they do damage. We don't know maybe some of problems stem from him but they just seem for whatever reason they seem very interested in the human race and i don't know that you should think they'd have figured out by now but they're not telling us what they're here for. How do we know they don't place some of the Negative things that we see here as far well Maybe they sometimes are the negative things. I mean there are different definitions of what is the demon. Standardly demon is a fallen angel capital of heaven in the great revolt. And there they were against human time aren't doing is purpose I think there has to be more to it than that. There was something different than that. i. I've defined a demon poltergeist with an attitude. You know that's one possible explanation. But they seem tied in together. I'm looking for some kind of unified field theory. You know us at hackney term the ties in ufology space aliens Shadow persons of men in black. You know There's something we do know some. Yeah is out there something. We are under surveillance. These things have been captured in photographs and recorded far too many times to discount them. I mean super skeptic. We'll say oh lose you know you know you can't you people wanna bleed these things so they're gonna believe well that person is starting off with a clothesline anyway so they're not going to experience anything because even if they did see something they have some cockney explanation for it but right they delays or out the people. I photograph james seen them. We don't know what they are. And what i say they. I lacking or absent your absence of light. They're just they're like figures. Cut out of dimensional reality. there's hole in reality is black things tournament just black because their absence of light and sometimes they're seen in homes and houses and what strangers if they're only quasi physical they should be able to kind of rock in the wall you know they should be able to go through things like a standard ghost but for some reason they seek the easiest egress they will follow carvers and go through open doors and come up through wells. Why don't they just appear one of just you know go through things but they look for access. They'll go up and down stairwells. In fact there's a very famous house in harrisville rhode island where this phenomenon manifest i. I noticed it in august of nineteen seventy-three and people still who haven't even heard of this report that they're in this house in harrison and there are other portals replaces where these things find egress intend to come through. I just wish they'd give us answers and tell us. I wish one of them will tell me. Why are they are here. probably i can't comprehend it is beyond my comprehension. My understanding Besides who's gonna believe me anyway but d- manala just you know if i come and started talking about space aliens. I don't think too many people are gonna i. I do have kind of following. That would listen. But i just don't know what these things are. I wish i could form a theory as to what they are. But i'm looking that unified field theory that ties all of this phenomena together it may even actuality strange animal. Now me find out though. No i don't even less. We do you know what i've asked persons of asked me Do i believe in bigfoot sasquatch. And i think the most frustrating answer i say yes i do believe in it and that phenomenon but i don't think they'll ever be proven one will ever be captured. Assessing specimens have been found but they they disappear. I don't think they're gonna get caught either. I if they were gonna go to call. It could have got a long time ago there. I think they they can go through another like a portal or something like they can just come and go like you're never gonna catch him. One researcher grounds that they find caverns and substrates under the earth where they can have find concealment as possible. I think they're only happier half of the time. I think they have Access to other dimension other dimensional realities Yeah so in a strange way. I have to say yes. I believe. They exist too much evidence. I heard the other people have seen them But they won't never been done with because they can't get not that they're They make well they grunt and they have their own language and they I heard one something the ground to scare us away and it couldn't have been anything. I grew up in the country. And i know what animal some like I was out on a bigfoot hunt one time at a place where they had been reportedly seen and buy some credible i witnesses. Something one lady didn't even want her name associated with it just told this story. Well we were out on this path. This isn't a watershed and cumberland rhode island and We were out with with the square footprints have been found the oversized footprints and well one very successful. Bigfoot on out there stringing up some lure Like calling me things try and bring the sasquatch and never seem to touch that but while we were out there we were out there rather late with other ten thirty pm and down this path. We started hear footfalls. I can only like this to what an elephant in the circus would sound like. It'd be an elephant legs and you. Well we heard this and it was reverberating and it was obviously approaching. We started off trying to call the sasquatch by doing with knocking. And you know doing a who to call it in now. This was this was young people trying to harass us. they would have been screaming and making grunting. Sounds you know throwing things you know this. We didn't hear the vocalisations that night. We just heard the footfalls getting closer and closer. And i'll tell you we were. Our team was only too ready to leave their. We didn't turn and run but we walked away very quickly very fast but we did have. We did stand our ground long enough to take some pictures but nothing unusual. Nothing remarkable came out the pictures now. What i wanted to do was there was some boulders. I wanted to sit up in the boulder. See if anything came out of that path but of this black creature with glowing is coming down that path. I couldn't do it. You know. I'm that are you know demonic. I've seen some People under the throws of possession but bigfoot seemed so real and so palpable. And maybe it exudes some kind of instill spirit people. But i just It was a terrifying thought. That was the most scared. I've ever been to the paranormal investigation. Just the best thing coming out of the woods and it was only about a year later. I spoke with matt moneymaker You know the head of the f. r. finding bigfoot show yeah big field research organization and Matt moneymakers their founder. And i actually brought the bahar. Oh crew to rhode island They did an episode of finding bigfoot. Call big rhody. Because that's what i call the sasquatch presence there in you know in rhode out the nickname. What are the two nicknames for rhode island one nickname is the ocean state. the other nickname for the state of rhode island is little rhody. Well i called the sasquatch. Big rhody and I don't think it lives all its life in the state of rhode island. But when it's in rhode island we call it. Grody so that episode of finding bigfoot starts with matt moneymaker say. We're here in rhode island looking purple big rhody and they did. There is there and i. Of course. I had personal Conversation crew and the team and moneymakers. I told them about my experience with hearing those footfalls. He said that's what they do. That's the scare other males away human or not that. They're trying to scare away other males out of their territory. Search on these creatures that we isolated to road males theories that they come down from the whitehall area in upstate. New york down probably have origins in canada over the border. Make their way down through vermont and then new hampshire and then end up in rhode island and they were only there in the warmer weather. Don't know why i guess. They say no the direction from from the magnetism of the ocean. Like even as human yes. It's to me it's fascinating even as human. We know when we're near the ocean. If we sightless we could feel it. There's a certain magnetism and a barometric pressure indicates you're near a large body of water. This case the ocean there's a magnetic coil Of course the sasquatch being basically non verbal they are drawn to that so they know they're headed toward the ocean. They don't know the going into little rhode island. You just know that going into this outcrop. That's new england and What i don't know. I know they could subsist on the vivian. The frogs and small mammals are abound in the forest. But they do seek out places that are near war and they would remain there through the summer and by november. They're going they probably go back to white ball areas. They migrate i. I don't know what they're interesting. I think logically. They're mammals late. You know can do us. If there's some form of primate you think they'd be looking for the warmer weather in the winter. But for some reason they took this trajectory and came down to our region and i was a member of a pretty Pretty spooky bigfoot team for a while and then lost cohesion you know and Certain people had to leave so it was a fascinating time to research bigfoot. And you can't relate bigfoot and and like trooper kabre and crypto your cryptic words as well as you to ufo alien and you can't relate aliens ghosts can you right. There's something that finds these things. Is there something that connects them. And that's that's what i'm looking into james and i are now. We are knowledgeable. We handle people people have situations they need help with with counseling visit when he can but there's another manifestation of our research and that is looking into these things like what is a common denominator. What ties together and Our manager dame analogy and dear friend issa least gio marco carlson and together at least an eye of panorama paranormal. So the three of us have these discussions and re do research trying to think what what could tie all this together. It's a strange world. It's not all as it seems to be obviously springs so they certainly could. If they wanted to undo us what would they. They greet some virus right if they have that science to do that. What we have covert you know. I think it's a natural man. I don't think it's synthesized by any extraterrestrial race. But you know but they could hold a lot of sway over us to take them. All i know is these creepy. These beings seem interested in us. And when i see a shadow person. I wonder if it's related. I wonder if it's something because flaps of sightings of shallow persons shadowy beings that dart around. Oh yeah i is not then you. You intend them with these manifestation when you see like a flap of ufo sightings when they reported was we always we have amnesia about a. Why aren't people talking about this all the time because strange things are seen in this guy. We can't explain them. We go on and just wondering you know Why when you see whether lack of ufo sightings you know why do you get more manifestations than otherwise get more cryptic. Wanted you get more shoppers. That we've discussed. It is does seem to be connected. You know so yeah. That's what i did a lot. Where shadows story now. It's fun but it's buki because these things are real of that. I am convinced we have training when you've seen them. We have questioned this housing one or the people in our chat rather you know how do you know. They are carnivores and not finding bones What do you mean with alexei. The bigfoot decrypted. Yeah i guess yeah yeah. How do we know that the the we. Why aren't the bones phone yeah. Why aren't there bonds town. Well that's the big nicb of say you know talk specifically about bigfoot for home. Why aren't they remain found. Well two answers number one. They are fund. There are specimens they primate blood samples of further. You know not fully human the sample disappear. Nobody knows whether they go after a while. Trust don't have anymore or they're just or the dismissed and ignored still such abroad ball. People over the plano talking about Is it had been explained away by the bones disappear and you really don't find many bones of bears. They're carnivores in the woods and Scavengers the will account for the remains and then just disintegrate naturally. But you really can't answer. Why don't we find the bones. Why isn't there ever a skull. I mean they've pieces of jawbone and molars from john canter pickus from the pleistocene were around singer. Send around twelve million years ago and we think we find a specimen he's of jaw of a jank again. That's only about How how old was that. it was it was. I think it was more like eighty thousand years ago very whoo. You know we're getting closer and closer. Yeah we found that y- yeah hey hominids on the planet there they were coexisting with our ancestors industrial the homo sapiens And then their territory shrunk the bamboo they subsisted on. You know disappeared and they dashed naturally died out junk. It was Something like a girl. More like iran. Dan i think and But with shorter arms and longer legs than most primates and They could be upwards of ten feet tall. Some were founded with those About almost twelve feet tall. I mean there's been gigantic. I've heard about to go on like mighty joe young. If you saw that movie around the they call it the real life king kong. Now we must them enough to prove that they existed but we don't find sasquatch was supposedly coexist with us now. Or you know alongside us. It's not close to us We don't find those guys find them. This is i. Don't think mythical. I call sasquatch. The modern myth churches do not like that. I didn't say made up. It's a modern myth because all myths were at one time accepted as true as fact. That's what we're getting minutes when they were one time. Religion the difference between theology and mythology allies ones degree of acceptance. You know so you don't believe in this mythology when somebody embraces. in fact it's theologies faith. It's religion maybe So bigfoot is mythical. There's a lot you know physical suggestion that exist in a lot of. There's even some. I won't say a lot of. There's some empirical evidence for the support existence. So it's it's a strange thing. You cannot prove this thing exist. One crip did you. That you can say exists. I i think it's been pretty much proven to kabra super cobras and would they be some. Unrecognized canine canine. Like thing you know goes into pigeon coops and chicken coops and ravages the animals and and You know sucks blown out and everything. Well you think has been photograph. It has been filmed in motion. Some people say oh that coyote or jackal with mange now. Not when you look at it. It's not and actually preserved. They have dna from the cheaper copper. Whole body has been preserved. doesn't matter nobly analyzed. They'll say that this is a head and somebody's collection it's been filmed in motion. Yeah chipper conference real. I think they got that and that was it still is not classroom. It's still a cryptic because it's not officially zoological classified. I'm just my point is. This is a strange strange world. there were things. We cannot add hen that we know are there and that's why we're paranormal investigators. The research is because we know there's something more accounting with having trying to have you ever heard we're a big big foot actually hurting someone because From the stories that i've heard and and shows that i watched or whatever. They've never actually heard someone. They've tried to scare them but never actually heard. Yeah the one. Yeah big foot doesn't hurt anybody until it does. It's like no story. Yeah it's like you know. Physical their physics axiom Nothing can travel the same speed as light or exceed the speed of light because it would just disintegrating would dole not matter anymore. That's true until it does then. We particles to travel faster than light. Bigfoot doesn't hurt or killed humans until it does. there are cases. where did Not verified theodore. Roosevelt became president. Teddy roosevelt avid hunter and know environmentalist. He was on one of his famous camping excursions and he heard the tale of a native american guides. Who told them of the the man like giant hairy giant. That would you know it would kill people who wanted off trails and for some reason this thing. We sounds very much. Like big like sasquatch would pull up their tongues would kill people pull out their toes. And it has the ability to because daddy roosevelt's out there camping in the year these stories and then he. He's an avid outdoorsman. And then environmentalists naturalists the. Here's stomping out there in the campsite night after night to not account for. He heard what i heard. Out in cumberland rhode island. I heard something you know. It was while in the law that this Like some miners were Mining camp. I think it was in utah. Might have been why owning but if somebody stray too far from the campsite sasquatch would kill them they find remains of the men. It'd be torn to pieces. So sometimes. But i wonder where they provoked that it or were they just protecting themselves like anybody else. Would i think. I think they didn't like the humans being there that they knew the humus where threat to their environment and they. Maybe they were road. Maybe there's some questions to do really have that attitude. I wouldn't call. But generally a sasquatch will not harm a human generally right raccoons coons except for being nuisance sometimes. Raccoons are really harmless until they bite. You raised yet. They can be nasty handle now. You have to you have to assume it's rabbit don't know especially if it's apperances acting bizarre sasquatch. Yeah they're not known for harming people but for some reason. I just do not. I would love to see one but approach one. I don't have an indie. I thought there was a big point at night. Oh wait for that. I'm not thinking is the miniscule chance that this isn't a nice sasquatch. Didn't read the books but yeah and they have vocalisations. They can speak sometimes A rudimentary form of language has been ron moore ned in the block creek area. The sierra mountain range in northern california. He's done remarkable work with recording vocalisations. It was they were recorded quite a while ago. The early to mid nineteen seventies But they're uncanny. They do not seem like they were contrived. They seem like some other species. Now if you're gonna do if you go to speak a bigfoot noise you know. I've and what does it big talk like you'd have well. These things really seem to have a language you know and they have powerful voices shrill and they have a lexicon. There's something they're not chimpanzees. There's some other species speaking to each other. I wasn't there. I didn't record it. I just happen to believe it's genuine. Because it's consistent. Yeah yeah. I don't i know mr moore. I just don't think he would make that up. I don't think he'd have any reason to because he never became well right. Bigfoot recording most people are not going to believe them genuine. Of course i do own a recording of them on cd. Oh that's nice but that's the right. I just on comic. If i tried to talk like them but you look you look up and i'm cheating those personal personal friend of mine in ohio. He has a. He recorded a big a friend of his had a record or out. They were camping the next day and they heard some tent was torn up their supplies. We've gotten into the next day. They played back the recording left on top of a ten. And you hit us. Oh it's spooky it it's not grunting. It's something would work with syllables. No maybe kind of guess what the end all with sound like you know. Maybe we can guess that you know. 'cause that's close we're going to get but look ron. Moorhead sierra mountain range okay vocalisations. You know it's it's on youtube. You might have to dig a little bit you changes. Yeah well. I'll tell you i have been dominating with i forty five minutes of this show. I was got high game but pearls is going to onto that james is hosting small fire. Yeah oh for twenty two already. James has gosh threat canister no and he's toasting marshmallows running to be 'cause he finds the so past but i know james has off twenty five. Thank you oh look like can graduate james the hill over the game for awhile. He's clapping of that too. There you go. yeah. I've been eating candy all the way back to the show. Welcome well james. Look we're gonna take a break and go to the green room and then we'll come back to you how that do oh good I had let me find this song. Very it's okay. We're gonna go in the green room and we're going to have strawberries. 'cause james said he's been a feed me strawberry if anyone grover. Yes beat grapes to their golfing strawberries. If you're listening we have number two three two three eight seven zero three eight seven seven three two three eight seven zero three eight seven seven. We are going to be on for another hour. So because i owed these guys in there i screwed up and forgotten that they were supposed to be on a couple of weeks ago and so i owe them this extra hour. You know. 'cause it's my fault. I our james very i. It was me. it was all me. But we're going to go into greener on we're gonna have. We're gonna have our booze party and we'll be bad strawberries minute. My we will be condemn Out there seriously. Hello we're back on in the green room. Oh is this show. We got me. I wanna go back. I think you're going to render. Hello i'm looking at a book. It is called shallow around deem analogy. Handbook yeah it is written by the co authors are karl l. johnson and jay brock is an accredited the theologian and author and We wrote this book together and it is precisely. Yeah yes thank you. Yes you have your topic. And that's your incentive. That's an insensitive Yeah that sounds like a mouse traps. Slamming down on genital. I don't know what that is. But anyway general available. That's that's the vision that came to my mind visionary and it's available it's available through the authors or through amazon dot com so again shadow even japan and now as promised james neto. Yeah wait wait. Handbook from the perspective. But they'll know is one star. No just kidding. The great put go by dr guy's a great book guy go check it out. It's updated perspective You know a lot of people ask. Well read them with the lifelong member in the green room. He's now a bitch bit. Yeah i want you to sing the song carl. He's going yes. What feeling do you want the song the bit. Oh my god. I loved it. How about four season. Oh you mean the bit song right thing. Now up guarantee when you made up oh He provided there's no Dares or the bitch blow that one. Yeah streets of laredo really. I you know with your picture that you are bitch club. I see by your pink shirt. Are bitch club to. We have a bitch clubs. You get a picture of this club to. That's that's an original. That was good. If i think another thing i'll be cutting into james time for that okay. I'm not. I'm not needed j. Right now in the background. Spending the records james. This is danger. You can even talk. some more. he is. He is very insightful. Creative innovative and fearless. I think you're getting on my falling off the roof down again. You know but i wanna give. You aren't going to break into the four seasons god no. That's pretty darn bad already. One year carl. I'll let you go. i'm gonna real my office chair back. And i can say so good about this man. I love eating really uh-huh uh-huh right sure. Why don't you come Oh oh oh my god. I come Come out not to not let me tell you. You won't hear that from john o. Entertainment every song. Okay right i am going. I am going to really them lose i am. I'm not gonna say anything. Until i for something from just hanging open on jay. I want british. Team allergist deacon james and needle candidate dot nice about him talking nice things about it are there is i. I can't wait took having to. He's ossified yeah. That was good. Yeah you talk about gypsies. Moving the bricks for the pyramid with the sound Yeah if that was what they used to lift the rocks to build a pyramid. God bless them. I've given veteran addition to that. So i was just. I like that was on the fifth season. That was like the season. No carl mein. I woke yeah. I i was thinking the foreground i now now. He's part of the club. Yeah you better wear the bath all. Yeah we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna be twinning. They wanted to me go. There's gonna be a lot of music no kidding. Gay frankie valli pa. oh johnny how who. We are unveiling. Tonight do damon. -nology now duo duet do a duet. You go wing a wing wing what What willing two Our own power more center. We don't know what. Joe joe is right now. I feel like i'm a new voice right now. Uh-huh wants to know the the chat room wants to know if you're taking requests. Well i have a limited range actually quite an expensive ring. We've made we should know show whenever gonna be asked on again all right. I'm gonna bring us back. Oh yes i was reading it back. We're bringing the jacqueline bring back down. We're bringing it back back back. I'm gonna bring back my house each time. A reality and i am going to ask games the question and i know he has an answer for shadow. People love now talked about some of them. I didn't even get into wilkinson. Million in slater mills that has has a resident shadow. Ghosn yes done. James your experience with a shadow person. Tell me you've seen. I mean something like they've seen that we seen settled for shadow station. Jody me i was just wondering who the co host work Hey most he through that you Let's go with that. Yeah what about I have a different perspective. A little bit On show people than carl does. But i basically think that in some form they are A lack of or some form of manifestation to something intelligent or residual or even maybe As carl ultra terrestrial. But i think in many forms It's not one entity but The the ability for it to happen as possible and then he didn't form so i think the general term is shadow people but i think the 'nigma that happens in many different forms. I think If you believe in aliens and science fiction and are l ron hubbard and allowed them famous people that Kind of made science fiction. What it is pop culture This possibility that ends could be interpreted in a foremost Physical body non-proportional close encounters with fourth kind They were Unforeseeable aliens that would Take over people. So i think it's possible i have experienced people One of the cases that I was involved with that. I do believe demonic in Was it cumberland rhode island. I do believe Willie it was actually on absolute of my ghost story It was called a got actual name of that. I think it was called the demon shadow or the shadow or something like that but Know it was one of the cases. I experienced Almost seven foot plus tall shadow vigor and it was actually captured on video And of course that was a basis of that episode on that capture and of course Collins the keys that would involve dryer And then of course I also got involved Who some people would know in the field. He's not really much of a part of it anymore. But i got a man named paul bailey involved As well in that case. But yeah so i think people are are true phenomenon. I think unfortunately sometimes Shadow people are a figment of the mind. You know we're in a dark place. Our minds get the best of us regardless of recovery come in neutral minded or whichever depending on what perspective. You have an investigate. I try to go with neutral skin point. You're still out of place you know why there you're might still can Unfortunately it's best of you so sometimes shadowed play and the Something our is our justin to whichever para dole Physical of course reality paradox. Here you're experiencing stuff to audio or of course a put photography or or Videography so i think it's possible I've experienced i trust. Yeah i've seen. I think we crazy. Sony on that idle about courts are the very fast to. Yeah who des. yeah. I think there quickly because in the form there that if you look shadow like there's not a physicality to you can tech you can technically say a shadow persons non-core real there's no physical manifestation to it so of course in. That would be able to move fast if you really kind of. Look at like physics Because there's no physicality to it the possibility of Its appearance in move is possibility if of course it is a non physical being or if it is some sort of manifestation of course. It's all theory or opinion but it could be an understanding why they're fast one of the craziest phenomenon that i experienced show people was This was experienced by multiple people. Nfl human all just Rich bowel does we were out at old south hospital and we actually seen a white shadow person. That's being solid lock. It was solid white was it was a experienced in viewed by probably doesn't people so that was actually a phenomena that i would relate to the shadow people and some form Maybe it was off some different basis or manifestation but that was very interesting. I now i actually never even. I've actually never even. I have heard of talks about like wight solid Shadow people before and talks. But it's not a phenomenon that's been experience too many times before Most times of course it is the black of blackness absence of like people it that they experienced but that it was a hotel pittsburgh hospital before it was bought by the new owners and Where when it was dilapidated should say it was a very Daunting place you know. I don't like to Give into the ability of places being the monica negative Like they are touted on television. Right imes but pittsburgh hospital Because it's so dilapidated or what the person the former caretaker you know. Actually the person that was staying there technically was a drug addict. Depressed practice a practicing satanist. You know he would along. They were ritualistic Point Throughout that whole hospital because he had free roam of it so there was bad. Juju there and i'm not saying it was the monitoring saturday maybe somebody would say that but there was negatively to it. You know. people brought their own baggage in. It was just like Basically a cold. I'll soldier and Things that were being mixed around and you know it was a very interesting experience That place but yet experienced that white Show person though whatever somebody would call that We're probably one of the one of the things that i remember most of that place and some of my parallel investigations experience. You know. I don't talk about it bunch but you know nobody really asked you either. So i'm not gonna i'm not gonna. Yeah moral said you know like the person with the vocalist For received the vocalized. Stations of the biggest. But some people are going to believe and most people are not going to. So you know. I you know we know tarum It's true You know we know taryn from Param abreu i and on their last night and but i actually had played We were talking about angels. Because i know you know and Oh i love all the combination of people. So i only have an isolated for their. I played on their show. And i don't really ever do. That was the first time. I've played in a physical thing but i actually have a recording of what i believe An angel talking to somebody. And i have that on recording so i played a little of that The there's just like certain things like that white shadow person that was that was experienced by twelve other people. One being rich vowed as who is a dem- knowledge. He's the demon knowledge for the united states. Will catholic church know that works with bishop long. So you know he's you know he's very well respected so him the experience that longside myself other very well experienced keith. Bailey was there Wow kevin kevin hart with there quite a few people that have some sort of name or a of very well experienced seasons estimators were were involving experienced that so but yeah even the angel things That was that was Experience that i've never had again and maybe ever have that. yeah winter. Oh great that yeah that. That's not my computer. My computer is not on good. I definitely either on the show next time or personally I'll let you hear anything special. It's not like if it's not like i think because some people i talked to an angel like it'd be like it'd be like some seinfeld entrance and like angel. What's gone. i have a question. Yeah okay being a demon allergist do you believe in doing exorcisms As you great question. Karl i don't perform exorcism yes. I was ordained a deacon. I was nordine mess of church of christ That would do perform deliverance. Is there sanctioned. Deliverance minister so but i never candy. I hear it. In the nineteen ninety nine and for nineteen ninety nine versions of the right of that excess. Ism songwriter fascism. You know. I have book literature. I understand the step by step process. But no i would not perform an extra system. I'm knowledge est paranormal investigator and not an exorcist I don't condone people that are properly trained in those realms and it's not even a god thing it's it's ah you're dealing with people dangers to excess zooms because You're there is some former cycle cycle psycho drama going on there might be something pretty natural involved there is a psychodrama involve and When you're dealing with human mind people don't understand with one sudden suggestion. Look at hypnotherapy. That's power you suggestions situation right there. we're gonna do a show on rest and next wednesday The four actually started before You know leave us magnetic system to heal his people some form of suggestions so in in that same topic. I think it's a possibility that when you're doing an exorcism in your untrained. There's the ability that you might put somebody in a medical situation. There has been people known to go into medical induced strokes or seizures even though they've never had experiences with that before during next them so i of course i would check all the boxes and make sure all the protocols right but once again i'm also not trained to do so and if i did so it's a liability at my own claws and i could wrong go to jail for very long time and i really wanna play with that kind of fire. You know my job is you know. Yeah carl's dollars. That sounds very best documentary right and of course levy as best as we can but then also directed to the the proper channels allow those right. They handle it. You know vice experience. Yeah question to even. We have a lot of fun with also a very serious aspect to is. He goes people look for something that they look for. Help with spiritual problems with mental balances. You know and we have to take a very very pragmatic accent assessments Before we could see him again. Yeah definitely we do. The room has a question what she wants to know. If you've ever been stumped by a client that you couldn't help all the time. Did you ever have uncommon. Yeah I i'll talk about a story. I and then carlson talk a lot of stories Okay so ten years ago We dealt with this person We will use initials. I don't wanna put them on blast because that's not right But his initials dp and kendrick kosta who is Basically a legend in steel like carla's. You know forty years of experience. He runs rise up a lot of rhode island. You'll also runs ocean. State power con With this team rise that brazen so much money for charity In rhode island thousands of dollars. So you know kudos to him a very great guy and ten years ago actually This is after. Carl and i were associated with teams beyond. They'll paranormal carl's technically. I had stopped work. Started working on my own Being involved in deem knowledge ain't doing ministry work then at that point with the church of christ and we came across the individual Dp of that. When i was of course consulting with him i started seeing lag even or are we on But i was also Hyper gullible back. Then so i would lean more towards the demonic more than made the psychological nowadays nowadays. Because you know when you deal with more people and you you start reading more literature and you start working with other individuals like you know call key. You know ralph's archie. Madonna offices and all these other people that guide you right you when you start formulating a better idea of what's possible especially when you dabble in and talk with psychologists neuroscientists and You know scientists in general and you try to get a better understanding of what's natural before you jump to the the supernatural so Can i had went there. Because i thought it was interesting. Why not check it out but you know when we got there there. There's in his bedroom is stab marks w where You know the brother who had lived with this guy had a padlock Locks on the door so the the the brother couldn't get in there You know man had schizophrenia. But would not take medication. You're one red flag one ready flag after yeah and You know unfortunately this is the sometimes. There's there's situations where Unfortunately i don't say unfortunately but We're we're involved multiple times because we feel bad or we're not necessarily helping them. Were aiding them for them to help themselves and then also to help them invoke a higher power. You know you can say that helping them but you really have to let make them help themselves and away so but yeah so and not seeing for him you know we seen all this stuff and it was instrumental in other and we actually left. We didn't we were there. No more than half hour and we had to leave. And and the one thing about this person and carl dealt with them as well but maybe have a different situation years after you but Ten years later he's still Well throughout this whole ten years and ten years later he still contacts. People still reaches out because He wanted to be a supernatural problem. And of course. Carl does And i can't denote fact that's not possible. I think if you put so much suggestion for persuasion or and perspective perspective and so much reality to that something supernatural in his life that you might actually invoke can create something Psycho kinetically our invoke something. I'm really bad at actually be created. He might be dealing with something. But yeah it's something that invitational means because of his psychological issues In the ramifications from that and the chemical imbalances which might have led to. I never experienced anything. And i know a lot of people that dealt with them that never experienced but some people have experienced things with him so that like That's one person that i know. I knew i couldn't help but there's been many people there's been many people that just wouldn't listen to the advice that you would attempt to give them You know i. I one thing i'll say before i give it off. Carl is no. I think were you know. People like laugh at nike and the was the were the wording or the the saying. Just just do it. You know. I i i think a lot. A lot of people Are going through a situation like that. They are the dictum and they are in Daunting traumatic experience. You either Keep trying your bass or just frigging do it and overcome it. You know and it's a lot of it ourselves we are. We are the two biggest motivator for herself but the biggest detractor and so you know a lot of on fortune lot of times. People don't feed what you have to say or can't overcome that themselves. And sometimes they have to overcome it themselves and they have to have that. Light bulb that clicks on And sometimes or two different personality. And i had to do that. I've had to give a case to somebody else. Because maybe i felt like their personality could penetrate Their their their characteristics their personality and sometimes has so brush situations. I try not to. I try not to second guess you know. Everybody wants to have a good experience. No you help. Somebody and we are applied demon. Knowledge is there's an academic team analyst and applied beam analogy. We try to incorporate both flies beam analysis from going to the site in the field and try to intercede on people's have and we fall into thinking of success and failure. None none of it's really a failure Sometimes you don't get the results you anticipated. Sometimes you know the cheap the results you want it which is to make somebody better or help them make themselves better you guys and put it's always fascinating case and i think it was a case in coventry rhode island A lot of our stories number settings and some cases. Oh it's fascinating is so. I don't consider failure but the clients the people who called me in us in it. I was not with james. Time listened to session but we could not save them from having to leave their house. They were driven out after. Just to But but the things that were happening. This was a genuine poltergeist case. I mean it was. It was the real thing a lot of times. And james will bear this out here People who can sell this call us in. There's an oh no it's just as you were coming over the the crucifix was you know i wear around. My neck was pulled off my necker. All hell broke loose after you guys left. You know things moving around. But this was a rare instance where we were actually observing phenomena. While we were there. I mean there were green flying around propelled by an unseen force. This has elements of what we would classify loosely as a demonic on poultry guys and Human response upon. It seemed to have all you know. But i basically how as opposed to just well. The second time. I went over there. I was seated in a chair. My chair with me in it when all the way back across the room i mean it happened so i hardly be chef driven. Yeah we were in the master bedroom. I don't know why it's found me special. Apparently this this entity I was holding a case here. I'm calling you. I think so because my hair went back across the room. And i know you have to be in that situation to fully appreciate it and I had a I was holding a remote thermal graph gauge the temperature. You know with a laser pointer and you take the temperature in the room and well. I just have one of the probably. The center of activity in the house was the master bedroom. So i was standing within the master bedroom of the other. Investigators and i just happened to turn to my right. And as i did. I saw something sailing down the hallway coming to the bedroom. It was a night like a kitchen knife but it wasn't. He wasn't pure wedding. It was like it was just coming back for three and it came down so somebody just tossed that it was like a dark. It was coming no sports and it hit the unit. I was holding in my right hand. Didn't struck my hand. It just hit the thermal graph. I was solely and thermal gauge and And the night. Night and clouded to the floor and i am a homeowner k. I said this this this this look like your night. She said oh. My god that isn't even my night and he just. I thought it was your nice. But then there's children in the house with no children. Were in the next room. Discount anybody tossing it anyway. I didn't spend like throwing knife. You just came down. There are so many things are going. Oh if you had visual. I think i've shown this before the homeowner one of the several times. They were driven out of the home. He had left his camera on the table and Next to the stairwell and so it was just like two feet from the door to the stairwell so he went and table. He's gotten his camera. When they were fleeing the scene with the children he went back in to get his camera because he had his paranormal evidence on that and standing at the top of the stairs with a hideous figure he took it home. And you know. I have the picture. It don't look you owe does not recall some degree. Yeah so. I'm sure it's you lady sometime and One of the ones that you're sending you. I woke up tomorrow and then we'll also too. Is you know this is shameless. Plug for us. You know we do have. We do have a weekly podcast as well. Usually on thursdays at eight pm. We took the night off. Because we we're we're with you lovely ladies tonight. That was worth it. But they weren't they aren't and But usually we have show every thursday. Apm mark and We actually have spirit photography and there's another show Probably within the last month where we have displayed that photo. And if you also we wrong coast to coast a m on in december and if you go to coast to coast. Am dot com. They have displayed that photo as well And just look up and face and you'll be able to see that for the Wow okay yeah three here and we keep them in their house. were there for three years would driven. Now that's crazy so not a failure but didn't achieve the results we intended. Yes got guys the ns happy. I was gonna ask about nears portals. But then you know talking about demons and so forth there I listen to your question. That's a different question. Okay he's done. Is this one questioning. Get to that real quick When you do an exorcism The demon is released from person. But yet there's other people in the family around and the demon has not a- left the building and is trying to get into someone else. How do you deal with that. How do you get rid of it from being there period. They wanted out of the home. But it's going after so that's actually a good. That's very good question because So thank you. One of the things is. I have never Actually been involved with the psalm right of access to them. I've not ever seen True assists and i stayed true because as many people claim that there are people very well. Trained your academically you know. And of course in the sense of their faith Were they have their doctors and psychology. And you know they are theologians and they are within the roman catholic church in l. Other churches orthodontic church and stuff like that. But i've never seen system before. I've been part of deliverance is performed. Liberties had been Involved in minor axes of homes Which is a home that might ask donald demonic and petition but never seen a song right done over possessed individual but if you read up also shirt and of course talk which carl and i have both to do so due to our backgrounds and One of the things you'll understand is of course you'll see in the movie access and some other form and actually kind of do Relate actresses and to pop culture. Accordingly is there's usually always to prese involved and that reason is because when the priests perform xs them Or i shouldn't say performing a enacting. The word of the sacramento axis ism Basically there are some in the pre nineteen ninety. Nine version are a religious provocation. Involve of talking human and asking the questions Straightforwardly that has been really denounced because of the dangers of possibly league If it is a personality to schizophrenia schizophrenia or dissociate of identity disorder did or for of course demont against you Sometimes they don't want you talking to the personality nowadays that that's more directive but That the possibility and you see this in the movie the right in the book. The right is that That the is a possibility that access actually gets taken over by this personality. Oh this construct yes And daddy why is there to perform the right on this individual. Pull them out of it now. You say oh if it jumps well it kind of kind of hick see-saw situation right. Yeah usually the priest will pick and allow who will be involved in the access system. Sometimes it is family of course and on there is the understanding that you don't look newman is we don't communicate with it. You stay stern ready. You pray and you don't focus on what's going on you focus on what's important and that's crying and staying positive and give them thought so. As long as they follow directives there should be jump or trends transparent transparent At of course There have been cases. Where i i was involved in case arkansas with a few individuals and You know A few that were part of the dominion ministry of one. That was on television. I won't say his name but basically the case and had jumped Until oh one of the family members and then jumped into one of the team members. And i don't believe that necessarily monitor but there some sort of transference that that occurred you know. I don't know how it occurred but it was very interesting of course scariest shit as well I think there's something but that's always a pasta. That's always a danger but you always do your best by staying in a good mindset. You understand why you are there and that's why you know we you know. Of course we are human. We're not that we're no better than anybody else but we also have different head on our shoulders. We know when it's fight or flight we we we stupidly. Stay there I i say that in a in a fun one You know but we also come out of an and analytical way like you said. We're applied to now swede take a study and we apply but we also take the analytical aspects. You know we deal with the real. Isn't like a least and we also look at. We do believe in some form of supernatural premium. Natural paranoid would have totally wanna used to it but You know we try to take a natural conclusion to it and so you know but so we try to come level headed and hopefully you know that helps us stay steady a allows for when we're in that kind of situation for state you grounded and in an attack you know staying as a team as a unit you know you have to the people that you are involved with message relation you know you have to be in war with each other you know you all have to be on the same right band and with the same spectrum No well said yes because they know it try to you against one another prey to yes because we have restored yes plans and you know weaknesses as well so it's going to be actually goes you know again you know trying to just feel like going into such a situation. It's like i'm not into this. I i what these people think. I'm an expert in in what the unknowable. I just feel tired and you know. What do i do posture. But then it flip flops and it becomes real to me. And i do realize i have a purpose you know and i i james and i make a prior resolution that we're not going to be driven out no matter what we see however startling it is you know we've got to be on the same page is there no. We don't always agree on our methodology. But we we're on the same page. So yeah that's so. Yeah because sometimes you come up against other. That's what's scary about intercession about going into say a demonic doors suspecting demonic situation is that element of the unexpected. You don't know what you're going to see minute. And that is that has been unsettling need first demonic case that i worked on his That was why. I realized that was what was frightening me. You know. i don't know what's going to happen. But that's when you learn yeah gonna make that prior resolution that commitment to stick it out you know. 'cause the subject was a fourteen year old boy going under these episodes bells and That was writing. Because you know the turnaround see him. Doing things physical endorse contortions. There should have been impossible. Beverly wrote the movie based on a real case. Of course you know that's the whole thing is scary but No you're suddenly going to turn around to see your subject doing something really freaky and the spent the normal and to be able to do like contorted bent backwards and glaring at you. All right you know. No that's as james was saying that you're happy down the stretch of the triangulation. Yeah it's it's scary stuff but it. It happens quickly. it goes by quickly. You're just wait it out. Your and didn't get because if i had left when i wanted to the case To which i was looting that happened back in nineteen eighty. You know that was just a young and and you know if i this is ugly. The this is bad frightening. If i leave them. I can go back to my parents house. And they have which i believe i would. No i was living in providence at the time actually but My parents have putin refrigerator. And i can just sleep there and you know it'll everything will be fine. I'll get some rest. But if i leave now i i might not be able to come back or something because i don't know wanna be facing so i'll be scared of that is so i i. It will be harder to go back to something. So i gotta stick it out then. I was glad i did. That was that was a success story. The boy was over that not that many it averages. More of what you really. You're left with a mystery. You aren't able to fully help the people because so much of it. Is you know rooted. Psychologically you can't deeply get into somebody's psyche and know what they're experiencing so you're not always right. Nobody satisfactorily Now it's not what happened. Go ahead you have another question. Do they have the memory of what happened to them after sometimes Sometimes that it is with the back of the brain It's something that can be pulled out. Some people would do of course hypnotherapy or some forms of our What's the word. I'm trying to think of reconciliation of the Knowledge of what occurred like reconciled. Themselves to some people do that i i wouldn't prefer it's like wow relived the traumatic experience because sometimes Some some people can handle it but other people would fall under and maybe that is where of course this personality this demon or whatever that they are flexing they were dealing with could could come back because that is the triggering that is that that invitation. All okay i dealt with this. Oh my god. Oh my god i dealt with it and it's a panic And so i. I don't prefer it but some you a lot of people don't remember. They spent the pieces like to to me like really honestly a troop desk person Is not going to really know. They are possessed. they might Some differences they might have some they might have something that talks to them but might they might think it's themself. They might think that they're going through this period but usually like our outside people that kind of reach out kind of really realized that situation that hand with like this person. Dramatically a one eighty of themselves and so usually most of the time. They don't really understand what's going on you know. Sometimes they'll they well. Yeah that boy. Fourteen year old. Boys davis lucas. And he didn't he remembered only bits and pieces of what he went through. You really did not recall the experience even shortly afterwards now. The clinical approach was a psychologist with Drive with be. I think to recombine is re competence like the reintegration of the vision personality. Yeah figured psyche. You know that'd be working may not. Yeah you know what it makes up for all the advances. That are still unknown territory in some form of metaphysical Confines where one can only inhabited by about trying to you know the soul. Yeah some theory. It is You know it's a it's the demon and takes over the the human host and technically they are kicking the human soul out running so can inhabit the human. The body know lasted said another. Actually physics is to occupy as the same time. So right right you know if someone is filled with the holy spirit. Then there's no burning in basically. Yeah you know. I if someone is an empty vessel then demonic spirit ken. That's very beijing. Look at the very back like psyches you also the spectrum too. Is you know Carlin i have very big loving to Parapsychology on so doesn't know these. You know we all got hit we all. That's why we do. You do the show as well as not only in the ability for us to discuss certain topics but also to have certain special guests on. But what's cool about it too is is if you look at the cases that we've done. No carl nyc can more specific But sometimes we give our our story. Yeah how respect those are boreham. Such just yeah. And i think that a lot of the cases that we've handled that we could probably say that we dealt with something where we can use to the demon work. It's form Trauma involved with individual and. That's always interesting to me. There was always some personal trauma. Some occurrence that happened in their life. What this were. This was the root causes. This is what was haunting them. This is what this demon latched onto an pulled and sit figured out in. Use that twist and turn person for this project to take over. It's interesting. Nobody will know trauma that i ever know has never been possessed. Maybe i'm wrong on that. But any time that i've researched the case or dealt with the case. Personally there's always been some form medical issue involved in. Did you know so you know th is what you're saying like somebody was whistling down the street and everything new job to lady in my life and all of a sudden this thing takes. It's always you did something in the past presidents some unresolved conflict. There are some serious submerged trauma and some foreign brides trump and some forms that could be a powerful faith too good for people And you can have. Yeah something that wants to try to Kind of come in rope a dope in your life like you podger grid. Examples became a sane. You know his his faith was undying you know he was. He gave the people who he was a gracious man. his love for god was pray I would say the word of god that the love. Unconditional love is so You know he was a pre one of the reasons why he was so of course Became a saint was because he was oppressed by demonic force and this demonic force never overcame him. He always kept his will over this. This forest is abrasive. Spirit and And kept his strength with god and kept his will and a lot of people. Don't realize that you know. I don't think padre padre pio had a tough childhood. Yes maybe that was the root of this this haunting but that is life but you know sometimes doesn't necessarily it could be. It could be a strength. I know you know People have claimed that they've done. They've done good all their life and in this terrible force comes into but that s very far into between that's more rare than rare and it's it's interesting. Yeah for some reason. Saints don't always have easy time of it now they usually don't they don't they have thrown challenges and struggles how they get into the hood. Yeah yeah i mean. It's good to be gardening like you know intense but they They don't have the key to having an easy life tough upbringing in people become more right to say hey the struggles the thrown upon them. Then they said when. I when you know of course I've had some separate Some former separation. But when i was ordained deacon and the one thing they kept saying seminary over and over again and which is also been said by many people. Strong faith is the closer you get to god. The hotter gets it. You know everybody's like oh you think it would be easier. But that's not the case because the more good you do the more people that are gonna try to rob your others and try to derail almost instinctual people with that. So it's not pride. That's why lucifer fell. That's what the whole aspect. Of course. Of course the biblical scriptures Per show you know kind of the destruction humanity you know the the great fisher you know So the the revolt all us itself tried you know so like pe- people realize that stuff like i'm not getting all biblical here but in some form you know the klu so i it it and it could be any different former fashion. You know i'm open for anybody's belief as long as it's a you know a good thing for human time The something is like. Hey you know. Yeah for other people's beliefs. Sure and i can i ask. Okay how do you feel about seances and we only have fifteen minutes left so you each get like five minutes Cars you you're the master. Well their tricky than not give lagos short Your we're supposed to where we conduct sounds that we are contacting somebody from the other side that that's plausible and the spurs. You don't know if you're getting the louis you don't really know who you're calling in having said that i find out a fascinating experiment. Yeah and i conducted somewhat scientifically. I do. I do for more i can. I participate in seances from time to time and i just like to see the results and i. It doesn't mean if i get somebody automatic writing or you know something. Manifest on a recording is in prison and oregon. I'm not gonna take his advice. I'm not gonna take that literally. It's just there are so many factors consider. If you perform a seance already most people sitting is like saying you're doing it around the table almost most people participating that sounds accept the premise that they're going to contact with fear or they could contact the spirit you know. And you're sending all that up. It could actually create the spirit like fame phillips curve conjuring up philip you know where spirit actually seemed to be created as a there's an energy that detachment or detached personality on kapoor personality was created by the say on. So there's a lot to consider to be an interesting thing to do You know you gotta make mature commitment that you're not gonna be let something have its way with you and take over your mind because i've known that to happen very yeah i call it. The tory seance was conducted in that house. They called the conjuring house in harris Yeah yeah well. The fact is october. Thirtieth nineteen seventy-three the warren's advise the sand be conducted in house so they could get to the root of the haunting which they thought was demonic and evil. And all that 'cause that's what they were supposed to say and what they felt. That's what they felt was there and tom. The sense was conducted. I think it an ill advise. Say on the the husband roger. It was not as the head of the household he was against it. But the people are already assembled there and there was a priest there so this medium assisting mrs warren's lorraine ward Tried to call for what they thought was the demon spirits bethsheba not based on any kind of history at all well. This was acceptable. She was taken over. Started to speak and some other gibberish language and was thrown. Her body was propelled about nine or ten feet away into the next room. Just get on the floor. Oh my god. Wow ill advised sense. But mrs paren- had been doing a lot of research in the house she was. She believed that the house is haunted by evil entity so she was already very vulnerable there so that was not something. That should have happened. but i just done Dances like an experiment. I think when people sitting around with audio recorders darkened room and they're calling for the spirits to give a message. That's the sound friend of mine down when you call it something else. Yeah i kind of want to roll anti us to forty credits. It's possible i was gonna. I was gonna talk about that. Oh yeah i return. I wanna run the i wanna ruin wrong How a lot cheaper tossing tower gear. Yeah has a different specific meaning to say on to say not you know. Of course you would sit at a table. All hands on deck all Putting the perception that you're trying to talk to somebody was usually one guiding individual tending to ask the question. You know it could be passed along but you would ask for rap right. You'd ask her noises. Ask for something to move asks for. Sign maybe here's something maybe the person that of course the clairvoyant or guy to basically the the Psychic medium whichever Says it out loud so everybody can hear. There is no difference between of course a bunch of people getting roundtable putting equipment and then ask say you can use my energy. Please speak through that device with a red dot on it i. It's in the form the same application action on it just a more modern sense Right people say no. I do get some people and of course. That's it but you're still asking for noises. You're still using trigger objects which can use and seances. So there's so many same of even harry price harry try it You know baby powder use the objects trigger off just in that same for him even though he would say investigation it. It's a different word with the same ideology. One communication so as far as the original concept of what the question was what that was basically say on says. Yes i i do. Perform seances In that sense. Because i do believe it is all the same form. No i do. Attempt communication carl. And i do do experiments even though we do our best to help people and we never experimented with people that we help re might do different questioning processes that maybe Alleviate stresses in the future with us. Maybe something that we might ask miss asking But when it comes to like doing group events or events we try or doing personal best places. We always try to do an experiment like we did a group say on that with everybody agreeing on the uss sanlam. Yes and The result of twenty five people experience You know there is. We're on a battleship with In the in the middle of shit basically you know where we are near a hatch but we are so far from the highway possibility of bleeding of audio from a car. Unless there was like some high-decibel audiences them whichever you know all. I didn't that that there. That era music. That ship was of course Embarked on this journey And commissioned was commissioned commission making fifties sixties. Yeah but it was that kind of music playing era it was from a different era experienced it and it was no way it was possible even had the person that runs the ship tours on ship with us. He says that's not impossible so like relaxing nominal but we we allow dirty people. Of course there were some theatrics to because staying on. We didn't fake anything. But what to say right all traditional saying onto there with the atra some sense because there is a par lay to getting people to reality of believing that they could not say. It's not constable. Put your you you when you're when you're when you're not focusing on trying to hear the outside or something trying to Communicate you you wanna get in a in a way now allow us something easier communication and that's what we were an isolated environment whether or not concentrating on what's happening on the outside they're focused on. What's what's occurring have possibly a successful and that's what we did and it was successful and everybody rate time we had to use it like thirty years. We had to quit and people love to using. We're on the ship yes it does. How about sixty years. People were getting equipment. Hit people. If you're a you know we know you know. He's a great friend of mine. Of course sometimes you never know how much human psyche is involved with it. But we even had my friend who's a medium Go under And had something communicate through him and people experience that you know of course So yeah it was. It was interesting and you know as as scary as downs and some people. Oh god that's horrifying. We put people in danger people. Everybody was you know there to Ha not for entertainment thing it was it was there you know we are going to do it. Paranormal wanted to be a little spooky darkened room focus. People want to be a little. I little you know spry. We do say not this and you know what control i is like. Trust me i. yeah. I have Experiences trust me. Dot gov g. badges. Just call ourselves something else you go there. You go okay guy. We have like six minutes left. So i just want to quit first of all. Thank you so much for staying two hours with us yes we There's like we have two of the kids from kid camp coming on Hopefully you too can come and help us a kid this year Elizabeth we doing so. Well yeah yeah. Come in hang with passing gettysburg. We'll be there all day. Oh yes we will know relief after. Yeah they would love hanging out with you die Well whereabouts tell. 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Camp Fire Missing-Persons List Grows To More Than 300 Names

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08:02 min | 2 years ago

Camp Fire Missing-Persons List Grows To More Than 300 Names

"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from internet essentials from Comcast. Connecting more than six million low income people to low cost high speed internet at home. So students are ready for homework class graduation and more. Now, they're ready for anything. You know? I don't know if anything could have prepared me for what I saw yesterday about fifteen miles from here in the town of paradise much of the community was incinerated by the camp fire here in northern California. Which is now the deadliest wildfire in state history. There fifty six people confirmed dead, but more than a hundred are still unaccounted for we spent the day in paradise. And I just want to warn you what you're about to hear could disturb you. We were driving around a bit with a young couple, James and Lisa Gabi. They let us in their pickup truck. There were power lines strewn across the roads. There were trees that had tumbled into the ash. They got out and they were looking at what used to be their home Clara lane. Nothing left. Basically just a bunch of rebel and metal everywhere. Cars wasted. I mean personal belongings completely gone. I basically got out with the clothes on my back and my pickup. That's all. I have I'm so sorry. When it was coming. I mean, everybody's been saying, you know, for years when this town goes up it's going up, and it went up James and Lisa had just gotten married about two months ago. And Lisa was ready to give up her place in Sacramento and move in fulltime with James, she loved the quiet small town sense of community here in paradise. You know and had my normal route like route that I would come and come up the street. And I always knew you know, who who was out, and you know, what the? Houses. Look like probably. Yeah. It looks like the route. We just came not safe. It was read over there. Yeah. This town still isn't safe enough for even residents to return. And the only reason this couple was here is because James works for the city. I'm just glad that you know, everybody that is in our family was able to get out in time. You know, I realize not everybody had that chance. Group will be. We miss county blessed canine, there's an interim ritual each day here. Now search and rescue teams gather in the parking lot of the tall. Pines bowling alley. Which is somehow still standing there California army national guard. They're police officers from around the state volunteers cadaver dog units anthropologist, who specialize in human remains. They were about to go house to house yesterday. Many of them were already suited up in white has meant gear and facemasks. They were told that once they got two houses, they should look near certain objects that may have survived like bid springs springs bathtubs. The primaries. Wanna look looking for a dentist? We're not looking for the little stuff similar doing this sweeps. We were standing right near a search team who came to volunteer from sin Yoma county. Mark Aldridge is the deputy sheriff there and he seen this before. It was just last year that fire in his county killed at least twenty two people the job here in paradise right now, he said is to look for signs of people who didn't survive and also look for anything that could be dangerous for crews who come in later. Well, think about when you're looking for your keys, honestly, you're looking for something that catches your. You're looking something that doesn't look like a belongs. So if we know we're going into a house that it was an elderly person who is bedridden we're going to go straight to where we think the bedroom is and find a bed frame and look there right now, we're just looking for obvious stuff, whether it be guns or a gun safe or. Yeah. Yeah. That we can tell them take them back and get these guns. If we find somebody deceased, we called the Buchanan sheriffs, and they're gonna come over and handle it as gets more refined. We go on with sifter boxes and look for bone fragments. Anything else for anybody? The order. All right, guys. Go far. He followed team cinema and some other teams into these eerily, quiet neighborhoods. I mean, it's it's just unimaginable. To even think about their wondering over the rubble of worth someone's home. And it's just. Ash. Everything is ash. I mean, there are just pieces of metal. But it's mostly just a pile of debris, and they're going through with sticks. And just having no idea if they're human remains like mixed in with everything else. It's it's just all terrible to watch. The weird thing about fire is what it chooses inexplicably to leave. Untouched. I mean, five six seven houses in a robe burned to the ground. And then one still standing there perfectly a scorched front yard. But the flagpole is fine. And so are the American flag and the Boston Red Sox? Flank fire, also, spared, David and Beverley Lagos. Uber talking to them back at the bowling alley in sonoma's county last year, the fire came within three miles of their home. Now this couple married more than forty years have come together to paradise volunteer. We were talking to them through their face masks, David spent years doing search and rescue for the US coastguard. Well, unfortunately, I've had this experience before where I've seen deceased people. You know, you just have to take it. As it is. And acknowledged somebody's passed away be as respectful. As much as possible and and move on. So this is your wife right here. Forty one years. What what goes through your mind as you're doing something? So awful like you're in a house. I mean, not knowing what you'll find knowing that their people looking for their missing loved ones and thing is if we can give resolution to the families because there are people who are worried, where's their grandmother their sister there? I don't think I'm going to be very traumatized. If we find remains the main thing is that I'm going to have a little piece of mind knowing that I've given peace of mind to the family members in are. They don't have to wonder for the rest of their lives. What happened to them? Where were they did? They get out. I think that's the best thing that we can all do. And that's why we're here. But people are still desperate for a different outcome at a Red Cross shelter down the hill here in the city of Chico. There's this bulletin board on sheets of paper people have written the names of their loved ones who are still missing you have someone looking for their daughter and someone looking for their son someone looking for a friend someone looking for drill friend someone looking for sister ex-husband father-in-law daughter, grandma, sister's son, dad daughter. Neighbor. She is ninety five just this list is it's massive. And then they're the few photos of people. Here's one asking shield, a call your kids and listed phone number.

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Asias tech giant Grab could be the biggest SPAC so far

Marketplace Morning Report with David Brancaccio

08:33 min | Last month

Asias tech giant Grab could be the biggest SPAC so far

"This marketplace podcast is supported by bambi. Business owners know that. Hr issues can be a real headache and expensive. An hr manager costs an average of seventy thousand dollars a year. Bambi spelled b. a. m. b. e. was created specifically for small business. You can get a dedicated. Hr manager craft hr policy and maintain compliance all for just ninety nine dollars a month month the month. No hidden fees cancel anytime from on boarding terminations they customize your policies to fit your business all for just ninety nine dollars a month go to bambi dot com slash morning to schedule your free. Hr audit that's bambi dot com slash morning wall. Street's spac crazy maybe about to sweep up. One of southeast asia's best known tech companies live from london. This is marketplace morning report from the bbc world. Service i'm victoria craig. Good morning a forty billion dollar valuation is on the line according to the wall street journal which reports grab holdings is in talks to go public through a tie up with a special purpose acquisition company or spec. Those are publicly traded shell companies by a private firms to make them public. If the deal goes through it would be the biggest ever spec deal two and a half times bigger in fact than the current record holder united wholesale mortgage so what makes the singapore-based ride hailing company. So attractive david. Quo co founder of the smart investor. Explains how important. The company is to the region. It is very influential. First of all. I mean grab started off as a ride hailing app and then they start moving into things. Grab food. which was very popular here. During the lockdown period when people were able to order food from outside and then eventually into things like grab bicycles and then they have grab wallet which allow people to make payments online and then more recently has won one of the virtual banking licences here in singapore together with singtel the local telecoms operator so the two of them together will be operating this virtual bank here in singapore. So it's sort of an all singing all dancing tech firm and they have backing from some heavy hitters. Like softbank uber and toyota. Doesn't it well. Of course probably one of the biggest hitters is one of the state funded funds here in. Singapore called tamasek and so it was one of the early investors. This back deal that the wall street journal is reporting. Hasn't been finalized but if it falls through the journal says grab could just revert to an earlier plan just to take the company public itself new york. What do you think are the advantages to either option for a company like this where i think it's not so much for the company but probably for the investors themselves. I mean some of these. Investors have been in grabbed for many years now and they are just looking for an exit strategy. I mean it's all very well sponsoring company and funding it from the early stages but ultimately you want an exit plan and it is really a case of finding where to float the company. Eventually it really should have chosen south east asia. But i think it probably felt that it was better to get a listing in say america where it would commander slightly higher evaluation but having said that Singapore hasn't really started to embrace specs just yet and so if a company is looking for a flotation and is looking for a fairly rapid floatation. Then of course. I think america is probably the place to be. We'll keep our eyes on this one. See how it shakes out david. Quo co founder of the smart investor. Thanks for your time. Frankly victoria well. If you're scratching your head about why specs the so called blank check. Companies have taken the world by storm. We have all the answers what they are how they work. What kind of companies pursue them. I'm at victoria. Craig on twitter where you can find a link to my conversation with the top j. p. morgan banker who works on those deals checking the numbers now and sticking with the theme e commerce company coupon known as south korea's surged forty percents in its debut on the new york stock exchange yesterday today shares are up and other two percent ahead of the opening bell. Meanwhile here in london the footsie one hundred is down. Three tenths of a percent data today showed trade between the uk and eu tumbled in january after brexit figures also showed the british economy contracted two point nine percent during the month less severe than expected as the country's third lockdown came into force the daily grind. We praise it promote it. Sometimes though it can be unhealthy some people hate their jobs. Others love them. So what makes people truly happy at work. And what can we all learn from them. The bbc's swooping chant has been finding out. There aren't many people who envy what james maluso does for a living post controller in brooklyn. New york today could start off with something as simple as mouse problem. In someone's house it could be Bedbugs crawling all over. Someone's better all over their body in here in this race. There's just one rule. James works six days a week catching rats and killing bugs. the pays ingrates and the chemicals. He uses toxic rut catches impasse. Controllers are often on the list of the world's worst professions but james. He loves his job. I've never woken up in all the years i've done. This lab said go to work today. He says that look of relief and his clients faces. Makes it all worth it. When you all of a sudden you're laying in bed and you have bugs crawling all over you the exterminator that you would normally just pass up on the street all the sudden becomes your best friend and somebody that you want to be friends with. Study after study shows. Happy workers a more productive ones. Laurie santos professor of psychology at yale university. And the happiness lab podcast since we could take a leaf out of james's burke pest control while it might not have you know the degrees on the wall and all that prestige stuff. It has in a huge way this ability to help other people especially in there like worst moment of need is not just pest control as that can teach the rest of us a thing or two with john bowe spent us asking american work what them tick in his book gig he also found what makes them unhappy dependent on how much money they were making because the people who were making a lot of money felt like they had to stay in the job either because they couldn't accept the lower standard of living or they didn't want to let their families down so money clearly does matter after all dreams about high pay or a big office of all parts of climbing the career ladder. But the trouble is says. Laurie santos is often never enough. Getting more money does make us happier but not for very long in fact it actually ends up making us more miserable because the more we get the more we watch. What's about pest control. James maluso is he might have aided by money. My motivated by money. That's one of those questions. Where if you say. No people know that you're Blowing smoke and if you say yes. You seem greedy. I would say unfortunately the way. The world turns with money so enough to get by. Help me pay my bills. I'm not looking to get rich off this finding that balance between money and meaning can be tricky. But whatever gets you out of bed in the morning. It's often the small things that make the biggest difference on the bbc sweeping chen marketplace. We'll let us know what gets you out of bed every week day. A reminder. I'm at victoria. Craig on twitter and good luck getting that earworm out of your head. Today i will be humming rat race all afternoon in london victoria craig with the marketplace morning report from the bbc world service this marketplace podcast is supported by bambi. Business owners know that. Hr issues can be a real headache and expensive. An hr manager costs an average of seventy thousand dollars a year. 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The Tweet That Rocked the NBA in China

The Journal.

17:55 min | 1 year ago

The Tweet That Rocked the NBA in China

"This episode of the Journal is brought to you by Merrill get personalized investment advice and guidance to help your plans into action what would you like that powered do learn more at Merrill Dot Com while protests were happening industry thanks for listening see tomorrow long in reference to the pro democracy protests that have swept the semi-autonomous city of Hong Kong for the last eighteen weeks one tweet could cost it billions of dollars welcome to the journal our show about money business and power international trip to champion basketball around the World Ben Cohen Covers Basketball in the NBA Daryl Morey the Houston Rockets General Manager. NBA team tweeted his support for the protesters backlash is just the latest incident it's called into question how American the Los Angeles Lakers happened over lunch and it's not unusual for Chinese fans to be watching games on their phone during lunch so has given to the ACLU previously he wanted to lend support to these protesters in Hong Kong he did not expect it to be an international his twitter was quickly swarmed by Chinese people some of whom researchers have proven to be bots and these people were not happy with Darrell and he quickly in the NBA has taken a carefully plotted approach to China over the last few decades it sees China as the engine of its businesses can continue their growth in China while maintaining democratic values today on the show how a big company response when needed into one of China's biggest political crises in decades and put the NBA's partnership with the country at risk there are on Friday night a few hours after landing in Japan for the Houston Rockets preseason game there in what was supposed to be a friendly Deleted the tweet tweet up less than an hour I mean this is something that based on my reporting Darryl certainly believes in he is a supporter of free speech he brouhaha that would soon engulf his team the league and in some ways the entire world by tweeting out that Single Image Daryl Morey wait three hundred million basketball players in China there are five hundred million people watching basketball in China one of the reasons why basketball is so popular in China is that the time difference chur international growth and one of the reasons why people are so bullish on the future of the NBA is that it seems to be the only American sport so there are billions of dollars at stake for the NBA and for the Houston Rockets so let's talk about these billions of dollars at stake how did basketball becomes so important in one of the most successful executives in the League certainly one of the most outspoken decided to tweet an image that said fight for freedom stand with Hong Kong invest and people can watch games on their phones during their morning commutes and the West Coast Games with you know Steph Curry and the Golden State Warriors Lebron James Works really well for China so in Europe it's terrible because games start at two in the morning but in China the East Coast Games in the US happened over from Greece the Greek freak the Greek freak the rookie of the year was Luca Danni rich who is Slovenian and came to the NBA by way of Spain can truly be a global sport the NBA wants expanded footprints in essentially every country on earth now this has been hugely Brian and I'm caitlyn bought it's Tuesday October eighth so there is all of this talent from around the world the NBA is tapping into in addition to all the imports it is spreading basketball around the of China's biggest Internet companies ten cents streams NBA Games and other content on its many digital and social media platforms getting the end world and there is no country that has been more important to its international growth than China the NBA has a one and a half billion dollar deal with tencent one it had quietly come together basketball was only going to expand more in China and with one tweet this whole strategy has been compromised and this this is especially true because there's one team in particular that fans in China seemed to love Darryl Maurice Team one of the most popular teams in China happens to be the Houston Rockets and why is that that is because the best player in Chinese basketball history a man named Yao Ming Played His va in front of hundreds of millions of Chinese fans now this is like the dream for the NBA right I mean this is everything that they have worked for for the last few decades and official to the NBA there has been an influx of talent from around the world the MVP the league last year was GONNA set Cuco who is a Nigerian immigrant freedom's voting rights freedom of speech things that the Chinese government does not give its citizens and Maurice tweet in support of those tire NBA career with the Houston Rockets including when Daryl Morey was the general manager of the Houston Rockets and Yao Ming is crazy tall that is one way of putting I believe while he was at the rockets he brought in Chinese sponsorship for the team is that right that's right the Houston Rockets have Chinese sponsors and they are frequent visitors chip because he took a side in a huge political crisis that the Chinese government is facing protesters in Hong Kong are fighting for democratic hands was seen by some in mainland China as an affront to Chinese sovereignty so after Maurice Tweet on Friday people in China started attacking him and the rockets for example one of the most recognizable anchors on state run television CICI TV deliver the precise measurement of crazy tall seven foot six yao-ming with the number one pick of the NBA draft in two thousand and two and played with the rockets until two thousand eleven and just to China in the preseason so if there's one team that has a lot to gain or lose in China it's the rockets and Maurice tweet potentially compromised that relation continued to grow over the weekend the Chinese Basketball Association led by Ya Ming a former Houston rockets superstar suspended its ties and People's Daily the official newspaper of the Communist Party of China also published a searing editorial criticizing Maurice tweet and so by Sunday evening the NBA decided to act what the NBA did after the break Mer in all of China with more than five hundred million people watching basketball last year CICI TV said that it would not air rockets games and value have to be punished he also added will we actually like is China red not rockets red and the backlash to Maurice tweet perform in America and one basketball team's merchandise had disappeared overnight as if the team never existed that is exactly what's happening in China right now backlash from Chinese fans companies and the Chinese government itself is not something the NBA wanted dislike stirring diatribe on the nightly news in China one eight days instead Maury you've really committed a foul this time and when you commit a shaping your legacy Merrill can help turn your ambitions into action with personalized investment advice and guidance what would you like the power to do learn more with the Houston Rockets ten cents sports said that it wouldn't air rockets game on its streaming platforms ten cents sports happens to be the biggest Sri the Houston Rockets essentially became persona non grata in China my colleague Julie were now in Beijing says that when you search for rockets they're out of stock and they have pulled them from the shelves and they suggest you buy something else like a nice pillow for example like imagine if you opened every e commerce in days on JD DOT COM which is the second-biggest platform in China behind only Alibaba you get rocket ship toys on other platforms they just tell you that by Sunday it became clear that the backlash in China needed a response Daryl put out another tweet because like any story and at said that we recognize that the views expressed by Daryl Morey have deeply offended many of our friends and fans in China which is regrettable while Darrell has made nineteen this entire thing is happening on twitter in which he said I did not intend my tweet to cause any offence to rockets fans and friends of mine in China I was merely voice in China because he is the best player for the Houston Rockets at rockets practice on Monday morning said we apologize we love China appreciated the significant support our Chinese fans and sponsors have provided and I would hope that those who are upset will know that offending or misunderstanding them was not my intention -Tuation even more complicated is that the NBA is going to China this week the NBA Commissioner is in Japan right now for the rockets game which is an apology darryl did not apologize he did not say he was sorry a few minutes after delmore is response the NBA came out with a statement and my tweets are my own and no way represent the rockets or the NBA. 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The CFPBs Plan to Reorganize its Supervision, Enforcement, and Fair Lending (SEFL) Division: What it Means for Industry

Consumer Finance Monitor

40:47 min | 5 months ago

The CFPBs Plan to Reorganize its Supervision, Enforcement, and Fair Lending (SEFL) Division: What it Means for Industry

"Welcome to consumer finance monitor doubts. Were we explore important. New developments in the consumer financial services industry Issues that are of importance to Many of you who fall things in the industry i if The name of our podcast show is consumer finance monitor. Which you'll recognize is the same name that we use to describe our blog And our blog has been operational for almost ten years then block content that In there and the subject that we're going to talk about today We actually blocked about Not so long ago And i'm very pleased to have as my guest today. My partner and colleague on james. Kim james Works out of our manhattan office One are manhattan. Office is open. Which is not right now but hopefully we'll be soon And james Joined us after serving a stint in the enforcement division of the consumer financial protection bureau and. That's what we're going to be talking about today. before we get to the The the heart of our pocket show today A warm welcome to james. I'm delighted that you joined us. Thanks how it i appreciate. It and i'm excited talk about today's topic okay. And so what we're going to talk about today is a fairly recent reorganization of the the the enforcement area of the cfe. And what. what. I don le let me ask you first To describe james what. Kathy krant anger announced. And then we'll get into Some more details about the significance of the announcement tour so out. There hasn't been a public announcement yet of what's happened to date. Is brian schneider. Who's the associated director in charge of the entire sample division. Several standing for supervision enforcement air landing. He released an internal memorandum announcing the organization. Which is expected to go into effect in the coming months But may not be finalized for several and that memo was obtained by media had circulated in posted. So it's it's now hubbard lake and so there hasn't dated official announcement and bureau but but it he's in the public domain and people are talking about it and What what was in that internal mental james so the primary takeaway is that a new office within seth oil will be created and it will be semple office of a policy and it will be headed by haiti to. Who is the current auto current head of supervision policy. So essentially. what's happening is. They're creating a new office or new department with accessible and it will have consolidated a decision making authority in strategic planning authority for all of the several offices. And you know as i say it in as people may be listening they may say to themselves will. What's the big deal of integrated division. That houses supervision enforcement fair lending. Should there be a coordinated decision maker so to speak for the entire division. And that's very logical. That i think allen you i will talk about you. Know why this may be in probably will be a good development for. The industry will streamline certain extent decision making but it still big news because it's a significant change from the status quo status quo has been since the inception of the agency so for many years now and for the entire history of the bb of the status quo has been in. Currently is that the office of enforcement within several had the autonomy to initiate its own investigation and send civilly investigative demands without approval from outside of the office of enforcement of with one exception. It's an important one for supervised entities such as banks over ten billion there. There's always been an extra layer of process before enforcement could investigate a supervised entity such as a larger bank but upset or setting aside that population of companies enforced than had a a fair amount of autonomy free rein to investigate who they wanted But now that's gonna change with james Would look at historically What when on which will cover the period of time when you were there so as we all know the cfp supervises and examines A lot of non-banks You mentioned the larger banks that they supervised but they also supervised lot non-bank fly payday lenders and companies in the mortgage industry And a variety of other non-banks and so are you saying that historically the enforcement area could on its own without consulting with the folks in supervision could decide whether or not pursue an investigation against a supervised nam bac. I think that clarification is any supervised entity so thanks over. Ten billion in larger market participants subject to the bureau supervisory authority enforcement did not have unilateral authority to investigate them. There was a process. Were to basically it. Certainly give notice to supervision and vision the opportunity to win and i think in practice probably blocking veto that investigation which in the past all the time but sometimes resulted in conflict and disputes between enforcing supervision about whether or not a supervised entity should be investigated or If the bureau should use the supervisory tool and so the word tool is very significant audit. Use it quite a bit because that that's the vocabulary that's used at the pb. And i think some other agencies but specifically today to see at bb where the debate is often centered around at has been centered around. What's the appropriate fool. Choice is the appropriate will choice a supervision to detect and address issues or is it investigation through the and then a public enforcement action so to be clear the history bureau to today if the entity whether a bank or not but as long as it supervised a enforce nick had to go through a process of where there was input and ultimately perhaps in approval or denial from outside enforcement to start an investigation for supervising. Let let let me die grow. Spur a minute on Somewhat related topic and that is there was a reorganization at the bureau I think when acting director mick mulvaney Was there i think it was before chronic or of the fair lending area Fair lending Used to also have a lot of off tommy right. I mean they could start their own fair lending investigation I don't know How much approval obviously needed to go up to. The director at that time would have been cordray to get approval before i would think before launching an investigation but Am my right that out. Fairly things changed now with fair lending bear lending. Hasn't that been move somewhere else. I don't i don't think moved. It's still an office. It still housed within the sample division I think you know. Some of the reporting lies have changed But it still housed with inseparable. I made some of the particulars of that how it interacted with the other offices of i think did change but i don't know my view. Is this recent announcement of of kind of shaking open. Reorganizing steph. oil is is bigger and more significant than certainly affects more offices than just fair lending this assefa wide reorganization. That has in my view. The largest net impact on enforcement has compared to supervision so okay so now Turning back to the change that has not been officially Announced yet but seems like it's in the works based on that internal memo so today Or in the future when it becomes a factor if enforcement wants to launch an investigation of a cop. They can investigate small bags banks under the fifty billion but they want to investigate a non black. That's not a supervised entity a non supervised entity They would have to make a recommendation. I guess to this new office. Headed by peggy. Two week and peggy would have to approve of the investigation of. I've got it right. Yes she would have. Ultimate authority of the details are to be determined so the memo kind of at a high level lays out the road map for the new structure but the particulars of the process. I think need to be fleshed out. y- curtly enforcement staff at worst attorneys have to write a memo recommending in making the case for opening in investigation issuing cad approval of has to come from the director of enforcement of. But you're right in the future. I assure there there will be some level of approval within the office of enforcement but the alternate of approval or denial will now come from haiti and the office that she will hold which will sit outside of and above of enforcement so and just To complete the picture What role does the director or would the. Let's talk first when you were there with. The director have to be involved in the decision to conduct an investigation. Or only the decision bring a lawsuit or enter into a consent agreement so so currently the director of does not need to weigh in In other words you don't need director level approval to open an investigation based on the nemo. That's not gonna change so all of the changes entirely within the central division so I think within several without the director's input investigations. Candy open Again the key point being it's no longer it will no longer be a unilateral decision for enforcement for non supervised entities infocomm from the new position. You know in the new office. That's to be created okay. am and my right that if enforcement reaches the point where the either one over file a lawsuit or entered the kazan. At that point they've gotta get a approval of the director. Got the right crack in istat to the same going forward right okay so This change Will assume that kathy grander The director is behind it. What what the tell you. James about Transfers vision for the bureau What how do you. What are you reading into this. I think it's very consistent with public remarks since he assumed office he has consistently in inner public statements in speeches of talked about You know again. Let's used of the bureau's Poke tools tools in their tool kit. If we were to prioritize or sequence her preferred you know sequencing of how she uses the tools i aged haitian and prevention would be at the top. You know up rulemaking would also be at the top then supervision and enforcement is last so in. Her view enforcement is a last resort. only when the other tools are inadequate. And you're kinda left with these A fairly narrow set of situations where enforcement is necessary. Step did but you know for example. I don't think under her vision and the proposed reorganization at tickets less likely. I'm very unlikely that enforcement will be used in the same way that it has been date as a diagnostic tool to cut a ascertain whether or not violations have occurred. It will still need that for entities that are not supervised But i think the role of enforcement is going to change. And these these proposed i think align with very much did directors remarks. Today it james. What has been described. Sounds very much like wow. The federal banking regulators operate the comptroller of the currency for national banks. Fdic for state non member banks the federal reserve board for state member banks. They both have to vision. And they haven't forced men and it seems like in those cases There is a proclivity To See if things can get resolved short of a formal enforcement action Very often banks will enter into ammo us with the regulator They're not even publicly announced Unless it's a From for from securities laws standpoint as something material and needs to be disclosed Doesn't really align the cf pb with the way the federal banking regulators operate. I agree it does an excellent observation. The the model that you described isn't explicitly discussed in the internal memo. That was circulated but if you connect of variety of dodson you read the handwriting on the wall. I think a shift toward that paradigm that model the prudential banking model of seems to be in the cards. But here's a big but though with the prudential regulators occ fdic the fed in particular There is no distinction between supervised did not supervise entities. All their members. Touche's are subject to supervision so they get to examine all of their institutions. And then turn to enforcement if necessary at the cfp different animal because it's enforcement authority is a much broader that supervisory authority to there. Is that gap right to. If you use the provincial banking model that that could work and would apply to supervise in east. Both dan bank such as the large. Cra's but for all of the the. The huge universe of non-banks are subject to see pb enforcement authority sucker Tidal tatum dot frank. But art supervised the the only tool other than being subject to rules right But from an interactive perspective. There's no exams it. The only tool is enforcement. So i think whatever the plan is going forward has to address that and of course they will but my point is your observation is is a good one. I agree with it but week. That rather large caveat so What is the potential impact of this. Both the short term and medium to long-term and let's put aside The results of the election. And what a what adapt mate might be. But what what aside from that How do you see this happening. Slow going gonna slow things down He's to be another Extra layer of review Particularly at the beginning once say roll it out and they're not used to How it's gonna work I it might even slower at the beginning. I might reduce the number of investigations that Get conducted of a non. Let's say non supervised What do you think i agree. That in the short term of things will probably will be slower because it's new and they need to work out the kinks and You know every every time it goes through decision making process with different scenarios. There's gonna be some issues and bugs to work out. So i agree in the short term. It may slow things down but in the medium to long-term I can see this change actually creating a a more streamlined decision-making process that might speed things up in the past. It was kinda you know. You had conflict at times enforcement supervision and in other contexts. Such as you know the arc nitty decision. It was a group consensus decision Those those situations are all going to be superseded and replaced by consolidated decision making office right If for the time being or at least for the first person who will be peggy to so without consolidation there should be you know speed and efficiency. Because you don't have you know at these disputes. That might slow things down. You don't need consensus necessarily to make all these tool choice decisions. It's going to be the buck stops with with the one person right. So i guess who we haven't settled yet but the so called arc and i'd like you to tell our listeners. What our dance for. A r c. I guess But once you do that and describe for our listeners. What the role of archives ben Does this mean are out of the picture or will be unclear whether our will be abolished. Gernot the the memo actually references are suggesting that it's gonna remain although i think the ultimate authorities are reside with the new head of the central office of policy so far extent for action review committee. And it's not a very specific role When a supervise institution undergoes in exam and at the end of the exam when they identify potential issues violations if they feel like they're at a point where they may be referred to enforcement This number factors that kind of feed into that decision of than of harlem theater in the dating world is a fifteen day letter is sent to the institution in the institution gets the respond and with the report from the office of supervision about the examined issues out with their recommendation as well as the company's response The committee will sit down and make a decision about what to do with that company on the set of issues you know. Keep it within supervision transferred to enforcement. Sometimes there's a split some issues remain with supervision and they're dealt with through an ammo you or embarrass the den some issues perhaps the the more You know you'd have issues issues that you know ten that you would think would go to enforcement as opposed to the technically. She will get transferred to enforce to that. That's what the arc canadians Down that committee now not the the names of the actual people. Because i know that will change but the who Who would be on that. It's it's the it's a cross section of the a sample of leadership so it's the head of supervision head of enforcement head affair landing and that there will be a few people from outside of stefo certainly direct not director personally but someone from the director staff so fraught off. This is what i call someone from. The director spun off his will will sit in and have a voice. So tha that. That's the the general made with a key with the personnel. Being the heads of the three several offices plus a representative from director's office. So that's the makeup of oregon. As i mentioned that the memorandum that we're talking about in in re of suggests because it continues to mention our as a as a continuing to exist committee but as i said before it was. High of this jumbled consensus in. Sometimes you know a debate or fight that could hold things up among our navy members. Now i think probably exist as a deliberative body to help discussing bet and analysed Dc shoes in the decisions but the ultimate authority on questionably will be with the new head of several policy so after an article i think. got published in bloomberg about this bloomberg law. There was a response Right from from some people on the hill. I think congressman sharaad Kopech pronounce dispersed them correctly. Brown didn't like it I don't know who else Squawked about it maybe some concern other consumer trade associations didn't like it debuted it as anti consumer or my right. Yeah so brown's office were sent the letter and there may have been sa- public remarks about it as well but yeah i. I think the gist of it is What is the timing. Why now so late in the game before the election heater don't force a change before potential change in administration and also the substance of the change. Right concerned that it's a weekend Oversight over the industry companies especially those that are only subject to enforce not supervision and by gases just a gaffe that sherrod brown Do not know hegi doing Who has been a who. It's been indicated will head up this new area That will be involved in making Decisions whether to pursue investigations. Because if he had looked into her background. I think it would have been surprised to find out that. She is about as bipartisan is. Dr fauci is she knows from no a political parties Her background is that Before coming over to the cfp bay To get him file in supervision she was with the federal trade commission in their a division of consumer protection. She handled enforcement work out that at the ftc. When dodd frank was enacted. She was one of a small group of people who got recruited from various other agencies to go over to the treasury department to be involved in standing up the cfp backing after the in akron of dodd-frank july. Twenty one two thousand ten. I think so between that day and july. Twenty one of two thousand and eleven She was at the treasury. The obama treasury department okay in the s nothing to do with trump here and She was involved standing at all and she worked For several years under. I think rosh dante with may have been an acting director verb period of time. And then when. Richard cordray got nominated then but then there was. A hiccup involves a course in a his nomination. But the point is through the duration. The whole life of the cfe Though i guess the probably one of the most senior people who was there at the beginning who knows more institutionally about the cfe be than anybody else And is still there and is as she certainly not one of trump's political people who sat over to the bureau. She is a political Truly is dr fauci the cfp. I can't think of anybody in a better position to take on that role than peggy. To and i happen to know her personally and i. I can vouch for that. And when you think about it. Institutionally she's been involved is ahead of supervision policy in all the decisions to a dealing with supervised institutions to decide whether or not they should be referred to enforce or whether they should be dealt with On the supervision side You know which generally means dealt with privately and confidentially So now She's gonna be involved in everything not only will be supervised institutions but now supervised institutions. She'll be involved in decision Between pursuing the matter spruce supervisory channel or enforcement channel which should ensure more consistency with respect to making sure that companies and banks are treated the same for whatever. The same problem were issue. Might be so. That's my two cents. That i wanted to add in It really annoyed me to see a knee jerk. Reaction on the part of senator. Senator browner congressman. Been which i know. He's ohio is juneau james. It senator brown senator brown. Yeah i called congressman But what is your reaction to What i've said. I don't know if you i'm sure you met peggy when you were at the bureau but in my right she the dr fauci i- agree that her track record is in. A resume are unquestionably Very strong and she is indisputably well qualified for the job and Bipartisan is well if he's had a long career government under various administrations so i. I don't think there's any sort of basis to Criticize the selection of peggy to to hold What will be this new position. I eat idol. Understand exactly the the underlying concern that senator brown and some of these other critics may have But if i could take a stab at it and say Say something like this. If i'm playing devil's advocate This is not about the publications of pay two year any particular person that may hold that office. The criticism would be Structural nature In that you're taking autonomy away from enforcement which had been a today in even currently under direct manager a very robust office that had a significant independence and to be blood. You know a struck fear at times in the industry. And i think certain people would say those good things and that following the credential banking model is a mistake because of the financial crisis of two thousand eight nine proved that that model was ineffective in alternately soft and didn't properly prioritize consumer protection so i i think those those criticism those observations are all a matter of public record of you know there are people who think that the that prudential regulators have a problem of regulatory capture. I would note that the fdic recently has gone so far as to actually address the criticism and to say that they have an initiative to be searching address as appropriate the risk of regulatory capture. So to play devil's advocate. I think those would be some of the criticisms that would be divorced from any particular person and that person's issues for the pacific. Yup i hear you jayme some and chance. I think we've all. I guess the only thing we haven't really focused on and i really don't want to dwell on it Because i think it's almost odd very obvious said if there with with the election coming up If there is a change at the very top and kathy kranenburg get meeting. We have a new president and by manza replacing gabby granddaughter. That new director is certainly is going to have a lot of influences into whether or not this new reorganization actually gets pulled out right. I mean at The new director may have a completely different view. Things right for sure. I think all bets are off. If there's a change in the white house in a new director of variety of fronts the we could spend hours talking about all the different ways. The bureau could change under a different director appointed by democratic present. It up with their eight. Oh if i could just take a very high level observation. This this announcement is interesting. A lot of respects but this one this point about that than they really stuck with me which is a from the beginning the including in the statute itself in in kind of the the people that formed the bureau in director. Cordray there was a very conscious decision to have an integrated sexual function right to integrate and coordinate supervision enforcement fair landik of to differentiate it from some other regulators and And i think they saw real benefits to it. But the tension that was created was having integrated seth function but to also make sure that enforcement is robust independent and strong. So i always felt like there was some inherent tension. There and to a certain extent. Proposed changes are consistent with the initial concept of having an integrated cephus function. If that's the case then why not have consolidated decision making out of channel within within several of so. It's weird thing where it's almost like the announced changes which are dramatic and somewhat controversial in the eyes of some in many ways. Come full circle in are consistent with what i think in. Many respects was the initial vision for several. Which is to have it be integrated function but again. I think we all recognize there. There's an inherent tension between having enforcement being independent robust but also having a coordinated effort between supervision and enforcement. So i i don't i don't i don't claim to have the answer but it's just an observation that i had that You know people say it's such a dramatic change in mike it means but it really is it right The really dramatic thing of course. Is that the pb was created as an independent agency and all of a single director and funding being provided by the fad Not coming from congressional appropriations that that was the real dramatic event that occurred Ten years the more ten years ago. Anyway we've come to the end of our program today and James one thank you very much for shedding some light on what has turned out to be a rather controversial and contentious topic is so thank you For being part of the discussion today. And i want to thank our listeners today and remind you that our podcast show gets a new one gets released every thursday except for two weeks during the year when thursday balls don a legal holiday and you can find our podcast on our website or you can find them wherever you get. Your podcast showed beat on spotify. Google play Whatever the platform is. We are their consumer finance monitor. So again i want to thank everyone Very much for thing today.

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188 Listening to Users at Scale is Product Management

This is Product Management

26:57 min | 2 years ago

188 Listening to Users at Scale is Product Management

"This is product management. We each you're the brightest minds across the numerous disciplines that you'll modern product teams. Join over fifteen thousand weekly listeners to learn from product leaders authors, and founders from companies such as Spotify under armor Intuit strikes base camp and Airbnb they'll share their insights and best practices for experimentation user, research leadership corporate innovation and more to receive updates on the latest episodes subscribe to our newsletter at this is product management dot com. AM your host, Mike fish time. Bokan back on this episode speaking with James Cogan, senior director of product management for Microsoft outlook mobile, we'll share his approach to scaling product generating user feedback or an app with over one hundred million monthly active users. This is product management is produced by alpha the world's leading companies use ALPHA's on demand user insights platform to make data driven decisions about users products and new markets. Request a demo at alpha HQ dot com slash t I p m. Currently, I'm leading the enterprise growth programs for outlook on Irish, Android. So the exciting part of my current role is that I get to other cross multiple different product groups and field organizer actions drive Dopp Shen outlook mobile across every enterprise on the planet. What's really interesting is to outlook mobile on Iowa's androids as she a key component all our overall company vision to empower every person and open is eight on the planet to achieve more. That's basically on mission statement. So I get to work with incredible people help amazing companies pretty cool. I would doing that growth scale is may be a subject for a different day today. I'm gonna talk about what happened when I joined the company Microsoft about four years ago as the first PM lead for the tame. I did that for about two years. The team right now is being led the product management component is being led by Scott stiles tally. Ross michael. Lameta the defend tastic job. I'm gonna take back a little bit. When just starting out as a very small team. And what we did was we integrated teams integrated processes grew the team while we're growing usage too little over fifty million monthly active users in about two years. And that's really what I'm here to talk about today. James works across multiple, Bruce, Dr Dopp shin within the largest enterprises in the world within two years grew the nascent mobile app. Fifty million active users already I get started on projects of this magnitude. My Christmas dotted in Japan. Actually, I was embedded systems software developer, and that's where I I go might taste of product management. So in Japan, I was defining products in close collaboration with customers creating requirements and couple of patents loan away. And it's really dad that I got this. The sense of getting close connection with customers and really digging into find solutions to bet challenges. That's what drew me into product management since then I've moved over to the states have been here for a long time on them product management for embedded processes and price software, cloud infrastructure safe applications, and then now with outlook mobile over here at Microsoft, and without a shadow of a doubt, the largest scale products and project that I've worked on his actually out with mobile when our a global usage of product is well over one hundred million months actually uses now and will being used by the lodge. Prices on the planet. So a lot of challenges racing that live with scale. James began as a system software developer in Japan. There developed a sense of the need to create a close connection with customers since moving back to the US James has worked on enterprise, cloud software and sass products about what mobile being as large scale project, ask James to share his strategy for driving user growth. I think one of the defense pieces that we put in place with some of these these guiding philosophies, which is out look mobile needs to be not only trusted by IT. But also loved by uses. This is a product that is not just to be used for Email during office hours. But it is a way to communicate organize your time across your entire life. When you've got that particular probation, though, that basic philosophy then you can start to look at what some of the ways that we're going to be measuring success, and that came down to us putting in very clear goals in terms of usage because when you're within a company like Microsoft, you have to have a material impact you need to be racing scale. So usages of very key metric for us. But maybe what's the prizes some people as that. I'll key metric is love for the product. And we measure that in a number of different ways. But you. Can see that on the app store right now both in Iowa the Android. Very highly rated apps with millions of uses giving us feedback the were heading in the right direction. Those kind of the philosophies that we put in place very very early on. And they are the key piece is pace. And so we committed as a team to be shipping code to the app store on a weekly basis, which is probably more rapidly than many teams that are out there. But we held that as a coal tendon because it gave his couple of different things you gave his the agility and the ability to be responsive to challenges and opportunities in the market. But it also gave the teams a whole that sense of urgency that we need to continue to make progress movements on the product when you are rating scale, a can be attempting to slow things down to be more contemplative and analytical as you're approaching a particular feature. Our particular product. And certainly we absolutely our extraordinarily data driven. But it with that that he heartbeat that we have on that weekly drum beat that were pushing co to the app store and a week basis that enabled us to have this rapid pace of innovation as we all move in the overall experience forward. Before taking on the challenge of rolling out Allah for mobile James adopted, two core tenets, I the product needs to be trusted by IT and loved by users as a second principle James committed to a weekly cadence for shipping new features. This means that his team is well poised to address challenges and opportunities in the market. I asked James how he goes about generating user feedback, given the huge number of actor views IRS. There are lots of different tools and tactics that we actually deploy as I mentioned a little bit earlier. Our first port of call if you will was actually the Akra views when we fest that we didn't have a great amount of data that will work in from. But we did have these reviews within the app stole that said, we're doing great or doing badly. And what we did was we aggregated all of those reviews across both Android, the very different populations within those different operating system in ecosystems. And it was great looking at the five thousand giving us of ads on the back, but we really focus on the one star reviews, and we categorize those one-star reviews was it related to perform. This was it related to log in was it. I'm looking for feature Aksoy zett. How do I do why within your particular application and in the early days were very small team? And so we were able to all get in a room on a weekly basis. Look at those particular reviews and then. Then collectively as a team, I r ties take responsibility for dressing each of these individual coins. That I use a base were providing to us. So we started out pretty low star rating around two point two stars. We had a lot of challenges ahead of us. But over time we were able to get that up to the current four point six point seven out of five stars. And so very proud of the way we can able to turn the ship around. But that was really a first point of contact. I would say it really aggregating data at a level of scale to feedback into the at the other place that we looked at next was a net promoter school. We use back then tool Cokie lighted, and that's Abel's us to reach out to us a base a statistically relevant sample of that use base. And essentially if you're familiar with it when you do use will give you vote or a skull from zero to ten, and then they'll give you a little comment about why they gave you that school. And so you very quickly able to at. Scale understand in which direction you going the app getting whispers, the getting better, and what is really driving that sentiment and in the early days that was very helpful for us in again, driving quality driving. The us Rex parents who providing value to uses once you've got NPS up to a skull up to a decent level, and you maintaining that it doesn't really change that quickly very laggy lagging indicator, but in the early days that was very helpful for us. Another key piece that we integrated into the app was use of us. So that was an ADL does to really build up a community of people felt passionately about the product passionately about the brand, and they were able to give us direct feedback as to what features they're expecting or how they're expecting particular features to work until we were able to aggregate that over our entire population. Those people were contributing and then use that as a way to prioritize. Okay. These of the top three asks that are uses are. Asking full prioritize, those work on on delivering those particular features particular value to uses key part of that is insurance that you have cliff feedback mechanism because uses those particular views passionate about your product. They are expressing taking time to give you that feedback. You need to be closing the loop with them to ensure the fostering that relationship as you move forward because that's going to be very important in useful pool of uses this going to ensure that you're on the right track. One of the things that we did. It's very helpful being within Microsoft at a massive scale that we have and the reason that we have it on disposal. Maybe a little bit much Ellen James for a small team. But what we were able to do is recognize as a team that we were very North American in Europe Europe-centric intensive our own experiences. Although as extensive as they were it was very much centered around those regions, and those coaches in those languages we had. A blind spot. I would say in Asia and in South America, we have plenty of data who really didn't understand the why behind particular data points that we were getting and so on design research team, they put together this program whereby they went out to Asia three countries in Asia and three countries in South America. And they didn't go out there and say, okay, how do you use Email and how to use calendar? It was more getting an intrinsic, and this will sense all the context of the user in their lives. And so the research team sat down in the us homes and ask them, how do they communicate with the friends with their family with their colleagues? How do they organize time? How do they ensure that they're on track and feeling in control of that lives? A great deal of what outlook mobile actually, does is provide that sense of control to the user around their lives through communicating through Email, but also through how they manage that time in the calendar. And so we asked them what sort of apps. They using how they using them. How else are you organizing with say the fridge with posted on the fridge and seeing how they organized themselves that we got a tremendous amount of insights able to take back the team and some real eye opening ideas around how the division of the split between work and personal lives or modes if you will varies considerably depending on the country that you're in. So in a lot of North American and European countries as censor between nine and five is very much about work, you're focused. Maybe it's from nine to five to ten to seven. But that mode is pretty constant and the switching between personal work is not very rapid. Whereas in many countries in Asia that pretty much on all the time as ours work is concerned, but they're also on all the time in the personal lives. And that switching context very very finally between the tasks looking to accomplish all the way the trying to communicate with their work of what colleagues. With that friends as well. So understanding the differences in duality between someone's worker pestle a huge insight for us than the tame. We also built up a customer advisory board. I encourage any team this out there. That's driving an enterprise products to build up the relationships to phone this customer advisory board to have that honest open interaction transparency with these key customers, you can get real feedback. Not too not just about how your product is delivering value to the user. But how easy is your products to deploy to support what sort of challenges that they hear him back from that uses? They've provided as a tremendous amount of inside this help does prioritize not only particular features. But also how we're rolling features out. How do we help them in the change management process? And the prices are going through this digital transformation right now in his extraordinarily challenging they're moving whole organizations. Working geographically distributed Mana moving processes. From the analog world into the digital wells. And try to find ways to automate we is enterprise software vendors, we need to support our customers in in that transition that customer advisory boards, extremely helpful. And the last thing that I wanted to touch on with something that is quite innovative within outlook mobilised being used across a lot of different other pundits within Microsoft, and that's actually inap- support. So where the only Email and calendar app out there on the market west somebody can actually tap in and start a an IM shot session with outlook mobile expert. How do I do X something is happening with outlook? How can I get back on the right track? We actually have those experts, Microsoft employees, and they're helping the user to use the app and get more value out of it that also ends up being a key a channel or key signal froze to understand how the act is doing other any challenges that are being presenting themselves to uses then we can fact that again into how prioritizing along with all of the other signals that I was mentioning. As to what we need to do. Intensive you features that need to be developed new user experiences. Need to be worked on to make the app even easier to use a delightful to us. Then also we running into any bugs need to be addressed as well. Because the every piece of software on the planet has of we need to get the village into those bugs and get them addressed in an appropriate way. Wasn't much data for James rely. I the Venus team turned to apper views aggregated across the IRS an Android app. Stores and focus on the one star reviews. Then prioritized feature rollouts that addressed common complaints the app. Started at around two point two stars today is up to four point seven out of five James user insights to inform his product. This would have been pretty early on. We had this metric for growth and the logical way to think about growth you've got now of this late. But then you looking at retention as indicates a full that growth trying to poss- out leading into cases as he looking at Dowell the now, and what you're also taking away from that is the assumption that the mole engaged uses all with the product the higher, the likelihood that you're going to increase monthly active usage, so logical train of thought. And so the next step the took was okay. So Email emails a key part about look mobile. We need to make it easier. More enjoyable to write emails that just makes sense of why don't we start exploring how we can make it easier. More delightful to compose emails, and as we were going down that path. We started to look at our instrumentation that was being plumbed at the time. And we actually sold a d. Average session links for outlook mobile was twenty two seconds long, which means that on average when someone was opening up the app, they would look at the app and twenty two seconds late said they would shut the app down. And so clearly with only twenty two seconds. If you going into your inbox looking through your inbox, and maybe performing some actions around triaging emails, and maybe looking at the calendar what you've got on your calendar for the rest of the day. You not exactly going in their writing a novel for an Email. If you are writing an Email, it's extraordinarily short. And the key inside the we got from this data was that rather than focusing on composition. We really need to focus on consumption consumption of inflammation, the consumption of data the ease of use with which the app can be navigated to how quickly can somebody go from Email into calendar. And then also fundamentally looking at the first experience of the lands on the front page if you will of the app, how do we make that more focused on the coals of the product and strip out of? Pushed down ironically, anything extra rainiest because we have uses that our time and attention starved and the trying to get something done as quickly as possible. Strategically that changed our emphasis away from composition to more of consumption when it comes to Email and calendar and the other pieces we will looking at ways to simplify the user experience and we had back in the day. Not only Email and calendar, but you also had two tabs files and people lay also sold through the telemetry that those two components of the app were not getting a lot of traffic the one getting a lot of engagement. They were useful. But not as frequently as we expected, and so thought, okay, we need to still enable uses to find files into find contacts, but it doesn't necessarily need to be wear. It's right now as we need to push that down hierarchically, but before we push that down higher Klay to enable people to have a better experience finding things we had to do two things we had to bring such up to the top level of the user experience. And then also the such experience. Also, so the follow on from. That was two things festival. Make sure that the user experiences. Somebody is in the search components all our app is awesome. And you'll could go into outlook mobile right now and immediately worse surfacing through various different methods of machine lending and not oil intelligence, they likely results that you're going to have for the people. You're looking for the files you looking for the emails you looking for without you having to input anything into the Akkad self. And then the other component in matching vestment of Microsoft's making across all of the outlook clients is the performance of such it self whether it's the relevancy of the results the speed at which those results rushing presented to the user. So again, we basically went from a hypothesised the data crew that was flawed. We got insights incentive houses are actually using a product. And from there were able to look it up, objectively and say, okay, we need to have a different hierarchy of priority of of the different functionality, which then had strategic implications. Away when he to invest in the product overall. But our guest advice into practice with ALPHA's on-demand user insights platform teams at the world's leading companies use alpha to make data driven decisions about users products and new markets. Request a demo at alpha HQ dot com slash t I p m. James begins with hypothesis has sit and prioritizes roadmap accordingly. What are the strategies James us grow outlook Mobile's user base? Well, first of all like a said, he was it's really just listening to your your user and delivering an awesome product. We did have a process whereby we will reaching out to different consumers using Facebook for growth using linked in the growth, etc. And they did actually return some growth, but what it came down to what we really understood was that to get the type of growth at that level of scale sounds like a cliche, but you need to build an awesome apt the delivers value and get to the point where you're being featured on the apple and on the Android apps. Does that's worryingly where we started to get the consistent growth once we'd hit a level of quality level of value. That's when we will get in this old Gannon growth that's on the consumer space on the enterprise space. That is where we really upon very closely with a lot of our upon product groups, mostly. In the security of Maine. So within our EMS product line. We have a protocol in June, the provides a mobile device management and mobile application management controls and conditional access controls to pound very closely with that organization, and they naval those two very closely. With is very large enterprises, they're extremely security conscious and by selecting Representative customers within particular market segments engaging very closely understanding developing those relationships with those customers we were able to understand the prioritization of different features the importance of security, but not just security in and of itself will we found really interesting in our engagements with these customers is that these IT pros consider user experience as a security feature. They recognized that within a BYOD. Well, the bring your own device world. IT pros cons before getting onto the users. A terrible user experience because humans have very creative animals. They will find a way to accomplish that goals, and they will find a way outside of these security controls, and that's when an enterprise become susceptible to fishing to hacking to security leaks, in some way, shape or form and so collectively between outlook mobile ending tune. We have to present to the us a streamlined awesome, delightful user experience the just happens to be secure as well. So those are the two main avenues that we've gone through scale looking at the overall user experience building awesome APPA delivers valued we can get to a high level of user appreciation in love that was going to foster organic growth within the consumer realm. And then on the enterprise is building a custody advisory board leveraging building close relationships with partners partnering with your customers. Intern to deliver the types of features. They're looking for she can kind of walk and chew gum at the. Sometimes you seven both of these different types of uses and grow in that sense. Listen to your user and delivering awesome products. Jim says while this often means improving existing features or shipping new ones. The also says that you sometimes need to pare back on the Seri bells and whistles this James, no went to deprioritize strip out features. It's a common misconception that to increase the value of the product you need to add more features often a product his bone through the creation of maybe one to three features. And if you can keep honest to those three features that delivered they initial value to your coal uses and ensure that that is still forefront of the product and then build up these wrecks -perience from there. That's how you really build a brand build recognition for a type of problem the type of opportunity on the type of enjoyment that your product is going to be delivering. So once you product stats to devolve into just a collection of features than the user, not only has a hard time using your product. But they also don't know where your product fits in that lives. If you the Swiss army knife approach, it just becomes really really difficult for us to like. I say integrate the product into that lives in keep using on a regular basis. So keeping true to the coal value proposition. The reason you built the product in fest place, absolutely central, but then add value in a sensible way. So with us what we did is we kind of built this additional surface that we can use through the such environment. An awful lot of paternity for us to ill value into that surface. Not just by presenting such results before a user has looked things. But with by putting it using that particular surface with not violated. The fact that fundamentally we are in Email and calendar at a when you open the app, that's what you're gonna get. You're gonna get emailing. You're gonna get calendar. Very nicely integrated. And also presented in a delightful way to make your communication and collaboration and time management processes as delightful and his effortless as possible. James has shared insights on how to gain massive user base. Grading culture of customer centrisly at scale, keep true to the core value proposition of product ensure that your product is the life to the user as possible and prioritize features based on multiple sources of research. That's our show with James on linked in in on Twitter at James Cogan till next time this Mike fish fine from elva.

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"Radio with printed. Robinson. Welcome. On behalf of the team essentially spokes. Today I'll be interviewing a very well known personality in the NBA Community He Carlos PNB done list. He's been running a such podcast for the past four years and not forget that his NBA analyst as well. So it's a great pleasure to be having Mr Band Scooby Robinson on our show. Thank you so much food accepting are in white and Getting killed. and. I'm glad to talk with you guys. I get alerts on my all the time. You guys always picking stuff. Yes. So, we viet the NBA team at essentially sports be value. Your school is a lot I mean really go through a lot of soda to write on a daily basis. So the economists great value to us what we've been focusing on is defense perspective. So the things right. The things you shed to the world are great rally and it has certainly been was so thank you for. Joining us with good content so Saw Lemme ask you how long have you been doing a defendant make it's certainly been a stressful time for all of us. Doing. Good. Honestly other enjoy being hold specifically because On top of all the things that you see me doing it home in Ryan aiden. PODCAST. I'm on a row you know Klay how maybe? Maybe Chicago Philadelphia one day. The honest with you. The slow down has been great for just mental health and just being able to focus on. One or multiple facing now. So I've been taking of my time. How you? I've been doing good. Thank you for asking. So one thing I wanted to ask you about this was an NFL saw coming. None of us saw this pandemic you know coming in and. Taking a huge still on each one of us many people have been changing their teams have been locked on for like several months. Now, it's become a part of a lifestyle. So people have been like adapting to do you as an individual, see a major change in yourself from a result of all of this. Do I see. More time do you see a mateen than yourself or your lifestyle from what give endured in the past few months? I. Think I've really paid attention to what's important. What's not? think family Family people giving doesn't necessarily have to be blood. Failures your close friends who become family I think you really sit and you realize who was important in why so APP. May Be. Seen. A change and Mike. Style. But. I also think from a perspective of writing. I have gotten better. At writing that a rushing because I'm trying to get to the next thing I'm I'm I'm. Sitting really process things. A really think that. The biggest changes you know hollow but I've always been socially this before it was a term of always been. Making some things happen. The only difference is on that train I'm not getting in a car I'm not getting on the play and I've really been utilize them. So. Another aspect that we've expedients food the lockdown is that many of those were forced to work from home. So for us, it's very different expedience. So there's obviously the plus side of it and upon of it so in your perspective. What are the benefits that you found to be even looking home and what are the things that? You dislike it a alleged. I've always worked from home to be honest with you. I was working from home. Two Thousand and eight when I graduated Undergrad. Need to grasp graduated graduate school. In Two thousand eleven oh for me, this is an exercise in futility of just. Basically. I have to do. Adult lead there was a major chain where from home I do you say that how? Has painted. Civically when it comes to relationships, the NBA and consider a relationship business. And I can tell you that the conversations that are hand with. People players. Coaches and more was about thinking outside of the basketball which tied back to back. The slowdown for me really allowed to be. Evaluate. People. I really did working from home is something that allow them to lawyers will look at is imperative for somebody, should try in a certain cities and meet with you zone host You instagram live of things of that sort I think working for all for me. I feel zone and it's On the new TV. and. Be In so acolyte. Is Great because I've been writing a lot but now the things that happen on paper or say in my path people are now becoming more comfortable with seeing me inherit voice. Different things for meet working from all. I've been great. At specs create and also I'm actually very curious to ask you this. you calmly football your middle name, which is scooby. So, is there any significant story behind it? Would you do like to? Shannon with us? So. I thought it in. Twelve years old had a radio show with New Jersey New Jersey and you know the now Brooklyn what happened was. I. Used, to be the. Players we're talking like. Tumble harm. 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Heard a lot of your podcasts I you had Commun- personalty like Alan, Iverson and Pete. Sampras, coming in on your show that must have been really exciting for you. is any any other prominent? Person that you would love to have a new show in the near future. Also I hope I. Hope he comes on your show soon, it'll be talking. I think. Definitely. So in a episodes in the past instead any particular one the closest to your heart. Come to people you've interviewed along the way. I played that the one that I think so. the information school radio literally start to you here. Yes I can. Okay. So goofy radio. Sorry, literally in Timberland shoebox. Familiar with Cumberland right? Yes. Okay so Tell people. No I started my. Old Radio with. How could we find? This free, right. Out of school. Like That was put in the box and. Collecting the my parents home. And so my reducer from pipette Eugene. Ago, we gotta start digitizing your so. Before. Tumble, VJ. Armstrong. So many leads back around. 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Than you with all over the videos in. and at least report of rock and a myriad of other places into mean that. was on Taylor and. He gave him quotes that people ran with it was perfect and. It was the timing on for from both of the gave on ESPN. Mom. On it and myriad of other people Carter floor. So for me. At the moment where I would really appreciate the crazy thing is i. See it live friend called me and. When I turned it back on. Utah Jazz on the job just. It was told but. The. Be will always be held years. Because Early start. Thank you for the bathroom. Speed the most. so far this year hasn't been great for any of us. It's been. It's been a donor really in in January of the entire basketball world you know and you're very tough loss. When. We initially heard the news about Koby Bryant's helicopter crashing. Nonethless. Believe it. I mean I'm still you know lost for words thinking about. That could be as normal. Made Solan Diana's and the sound of those looking. East how how did you react upon hearing the news? Did you obviously would have been in shock. Like how how I'll executive was did you get to know vote? So. Parts one actually called Kobe the phone. When when he died and so that was one. To. A. Couple of people in his daily for sure. What happened I was good. The Lakers, the ninety four Philadelphia laying the sixers when the Raja will racks former. Back to the time. The Timeframe That JR Smith. Had A workout with the Lakers wildly philly AD gotten that information. And so have put that out. It was a great man, her Joel Embiid with coming back that far week. Wait hold asleep I got a call from. Los. Angeles. Colleen. The Muslims School you verify Colin. Like. This. Question. I started the business. Kobe. Kobe. been around him. With a college down the street from low barrier. Right outside of Philadelphia. So I know Matt Landscape and I've had colleagues follow five so for me. Very piloted invested in. You know what was going on within within forty eight hours I was wondering the person. Actually. Said active all person covered. In a person new. was family. And friends. It has some TV that. Process. In. The honest with you I feel like a world has not say ESPN. Twenty fifth. It's absolutely. This year. You're absolutely right. So. After facing so many challenges the NBA. Except words and assuming the season in the Orlando bubble. So I think we'll be seeing NBA action in in a few Alaska screaming this is going to begin. I think it's been approximately about hundred though days since the league. was. suspended. how exciting is it to you that the envy is finally returning been about four and a half months without watching know competitive basketball. The our strategies of the. Official list of Serbia. Today though the patients are playing. The game. I will say that With you. I didn't Miss Basketball. Saying how unhappy? Back To. Some player be. Some. Of that cable then. The feeling of in five involvement in a few play. With their excited to get on the court New players were either right now before. The appleby nineteen. All is a career for me for this study. And anytime something is taken away from me was almost like your punishment and. have to go to bed early watching TV and. What happens? So I think for many people aback. Is. Cool. Watch me personally. Involved with it I enjoyed the break but I'm happy. You to look at the Lakers and. Clippers and teams that are the belief to potentially make up. then. You look at the other dog left. The. Portland Trailblazers. WHO Had with injuries during the course of feeding. And finding ways to potentially get that AC against the Memphis team that the southern January but but but. Surprising John. Working. Point. So Interested in seeing within lethal thirtieth. but no basketball is beautiful game. His Great. So, assistance in a recent connected by the league none of the place as it was. It's actually very good. News moving forward but there's one music listened Battisti bringing in of our minds that will be see a smooth completion of the season. Or will be you know mantle minor roadblocks along the way because the players will be in there for like about three months more than that. I. Don't WanNa miss a will be out of personally Geza about it. Also, remember that gave. Not. The League lose two billion dollars and the other faded. Elected Agreement Agreement Chancellor. That up that. Was No game place A. After. Policy. Where a efficient make sure you take out the scooby. Thursday of because I had actually this Matt Bianco one of the vice president of the players, association? Half. Tomorrow and. just the process of different. Players were discussing what was left with me in more. Places sociation. Over? Is the small vice-president, Nolan vice-president. Valid Yongbo. CJ mccollum and. Fly. The business out of it. He. Claims to step on the next play. Opens the Weiss's a bit faint Can You It's a bit lower volume. I mean yet audio. It's fine. Now I can I can get you. Cool. Thank you thank you So another thing we heard is that the players So when when Live the Lakers and the clippers are playing. So people from the other teams at least from the other teams. Can you know Kaufman and watch the game around? So do you think if? Say If in Daimler Goose was the Lakers play. Instead, anything that might arise from it. Do you see any? city taps happening between the players you know some something you know between them going on. So. I gather which they're asking me as the. Players to influence other players winning may eventually end up. Yeah I tell you this very good well A. Piece the other day. tweeted about how? something. Shared with him that the bubble something will come from it potential. As Free? We've seen it before look at the Medical Ron James, dwyane Wade for. they basically, you know Maurice to make things time I'll share if you that there was a vacation that earlier and Kevin Durant so. In the summer of twin eighteen where they decided that they wanted to become. so that being said Wouldn't surprise me if. Something if you look at the wheel. Ages. Opportunity, of course, raider me free agent or. you look at Look at certain. People heading out casually Work Yeah. You look at. Situations like the drapey you goes over the little older summer ways to woo. And I don't think invaluable. Data for Chicago back in. November And they function where a kid from his high school. Made. Chicago Illinois. You know, would you consider for the bowls? Those well, you know I am afraid summer. The Summer Free Agency you know carries over tax over when you look at the landscape of you know. What to do who's to say the influenced by by a certain team You know I personally did you know it's decision to make most could depend on what happens with the Lakers in the playoffs and no official finals and more of the same way could reality co? Combo is still more head coaches Jason Kidd assistant coach with the Los Angeles. If Anthony Davis the lead. They hit the other. Kid also. Happening and we are all indications who lead to the fact that. Could you know the next head coach of the next hour here in January? At the end of the day. Pieces that could happen in the next couple of months conversations to happen if I may. This is the. You know like summertime and the bubble is no different than summer camp. Play Golf. Course. You you never know what's going to happen. So from the from the initial clips that we solve on the players. Seem to have been enjoying the life in the. Players going fishing. We saw Patrick Beverley trying his hand at the arcade. Games I, mean, he was driving a bike V. so many other fun activities. can you give us a bit more insane only what what kind of luxuries if I may say? what sleepy? That have been added by the League for the players. Look at Of The Philadelphia, seventy sixers. He is. A documentary. whom you to. Back. Then he's been using so. sixers. Since you know getting. There arise said I hope to make a candy in? His documentary is. But? It's very highly. Driven, I told the story on the radio show. With. was on the red carpet at an NBA shouldn't take party in Los. Angeles. September and I was working hard harvey before wins the party. He's Bible what he had a digital domain, radio. Camera. Anthony Davis. In a bunch of other people and and then people. You it going back to. Carbon Dioxide that we just talked about his About Philly is working at the time and I think. Documentaries putting together is a good thing for camaraderie within the Organization of the laws not shared. How does it feel a rookie? He shared out you know really season was. Iraq's know he's changed into. Your she's technically until couple and Al Horford. Said and Dwell Avi. LOCI personalities with the. Wreck round. Happy, not heavy heavy Massachusetts an accident. There are a lot of different. Receives the Team and I think. Is using. Is, growing. So. The NBA is going to get down to the business end of the season. He'll soon, it's just a matter of eight days until the season starts So the players are coming back after really long break. It's been shown to be four and a half months more than that. do you think this year's championship will be tougher than any other year compared to what the players have come through to get back to the League? Actress mix of team based. So. You bring that up because. You of your previous. Power had little. Way Of life. That there is I lived there. I. said. What I'll tell you with. brought up the whole acid and he said he'd built himself it shouldn't. Yeah. Somebody's. Name. This is the hardest. Playoffs that there will be no in a sense of. Is Not, lifting lamb or walking through the runway connell. Aware Not. A situation where You know. WH, what's normal to to to your home or read it in into visiting area? Fans when I fail you with. This year then we ate finals needs to go back. To. Two thousand. was it started? When they? With the first one. That was a lockout season, the ninety, eight, ninety, nine. Yeah. And so will you say they were talking about it should be access Nixon they're. Referred a winning again it's down three, thousand five. Seven. Two, thousand, fourteen or did. You consider the San Antonio I, the New England, patriots of the and vice versa the patients McKinnon. Of the NFL. That being said. Be Easy for critics say that the Asterix Without knowing the sacrifices and The. Lakers you win the final issue many people eat it will happen. I don't think fishing aspects because they had all up against the. Really running revenue head coach. Frank. Coaching staff and Jason Kidd. Handy. Lionel Howard and more and then. You're you're the day after three days that happened last Christmas. Tracy. Davis. Love and draw. Because I'm Rod Game K. that was for you got. His rap was allowed. To, TRADE THAT TRAFFIC To get every day it's basically got was. And and they don't top of it. You brought to. What is what Howard you signed potatoes Colo.. Then you ran the more. Then you bring in Jr bit. Why we personally. Yet Be. Like me. was four it will create more. Now on the follow happened earlier in the season the Miami Yeah. The Lakers deserve the. Living because. Off Be mentioned. depakote. was a huge. Roll them up. He. is a former, a future hall of Famer was running and then the other players to be A. Really do think that the Lakers win it's deserving But I still have the Clinton Rubik's got off the bus but I do think the Lakers recanting. Pacific should be nasty. So I assume that you're predicting for the Lakers to enter the finals from the West. So, who do you think will make it to the United States from the Eastern. conference. There's so many Inno- off teams, battling it out the finals or from the east. The hard part. That's my our parent's pick your favorite child. backbeat said. Basically. I you. Asleep mckean that don't pay enough attention to was the Toronto Raptors. Rapid. Just do the people assume that because? Left Toronto and went to the clippers that it wasn't than deal. Toronto Raptors this to me. Is the fact that those guys actually were in Florida. For saw before all the other teams again, Florida in the simulator weather bubble was opposed to. The old will be. I I I the nurses coaching. I I admire A. Nurses coaching. Admire story coming from the the big lead literally. Hick. Over hiring, Jerry Sax coast. In Your coaching system just. Ended up the one that Memphis being coach now, the Vanderbilt. But. We as it relates you around raptors. Path the famous little year junior. This year but Scottie Pippen of the Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan retired or Leave of all the Eastern Conference Semis against the New York Knicks and nineteen ninety, four, the knicks outlet. Winning the Eastern Conference and lost to the Houston Rockets and ninety four but I like. The. And they really impressed me One Sees. How? He and Mr. Actor I like the soul of Brixton table. Og. As. Well, as Jackson and I look for him Robbie's. In the playoffs and I, really think that eastern preferences. Faith different things that with all. The Bucks. A lot of teams that are GonNa, do an out. Philadelphia to me moments the power walk position be interesting Milton are vision. And how we'd. Love outpost change playing all payment shooting by that but ultimately will actually come down shoot. And then the welcome box. So, let's talk about the NBA awards which haven't been given audit. So the League announced that The. A season games with still playing won't be a part of the counting voiding has actually begin. As if I'm must say. The two main contenders that stand out this year I honest onto Lebron James. That, they're you know. Full making board of them. who who do you think has the it's in the spotlight for the MVP. Run. As Most the season just simply. Because the Milwaukee. Bachelor but I think the. Jason's. Fact that he and basically at thirty five years old. Age. I billy his leg injury. especially. Shoulder Manage us and you must have. A Louis. Lay The point. From. Welcome with. You might insult me say. If you remember the Nathan. Magic. Johnson over the seventy sixers is real. Are Acids injury took over in your lashes that active? And there was rookie. Let. Be Radio. Looking. Directly. Engine envy people that do. Never. Going to the NBA. March eleventh. Remember runs as the Troll, the troll, the fire against the. Los Angeles Clippers the Lakers. Clippers. That we can they also. The walking bus and got hurt. Yeah. That the Lakers were just. Ingredients to the best. Of, Tiki Masala that it was. The. Team that level of success. I think the win the final went still losing admitting writers have capability. Think out of. Most. The fact that. You and I get on. So. I. I think. That's that's. But Lebron. Is Thirty five years old. He he's actually he's being in the seventeenth year, which is incredible. It's it's. Actually Amazing to see a twenty five year old. You know like Lebron James Competing at the highest level. But How how many more years do you think he? Can you know guys who play at that top level sustained himself as St Pe- contender like he is now. Five years. So. So bill forty. Okay, he be hoped that happens it. It'd would be. Very, very exciting. I think. Journalists. Personalities, we know that. Maybe companies oil to their power. Ryan James Represents. Era of the freelancer? That being said. From. Cleveland somebody. Go the Miami Mike Only. Four years. that. If the Cleveland was Grad School. We're going to create the reiter. Put. And I think that. there. Other interest as well. Basketball, of course, inches of space yet to. so. Is other heating rollout they put out as A. This is where rise to very obvious I think this shave. I. Think that Whatever. Created. Home played. The credit for. The. Most excellent. Since since talking Lebron James and Janas for already piece Let's take a moment to you know. You know about the future may be that can emerge in the league. I think Don Williamson certainly going to be one in the coming years. we've seen some. Incredible flashy performances some the amount of time that he's been able to play his been bad bay injuries that that hasn't been good on him like he's he has sort of what he can do as uh, he's just doing Wendy. So do you think van? He's definitely capable of. Becoming an MVP how soon do you on would be able to cement his lease as the best as the? Sure big. Excitement. And I think by social media. With this shit radiation. As. You, age bracket. Is What? I compare. Is a new social media. Writing yes. Interesting. Slam Bang. Not One of those guys that guys say to. Compare this person that person can help me I. Don't think that there is A. Comparison. To Lavar days because his his. However when I look at nine on Williams in the Finci me about him is the fact that. The fact it. At his side dated. Expect. I said. In summertime, and then we talk about it the game back everywhere reach. On. A. Place it's my those. Talking about. But My. We we Carter Charles Mark. In one. Funny because then. I look at by William Food. Charles Barkley. Undersized, collar. Four. Five, six, five, six, six. That table rock like a Gar- all rate post And my trump said Charles says the violence always moving in one hundred miles our needs to move. And I. think that's hard for somebody doing they've always depend on the exceed. Active with the is impressed me about it when he? Set. It also benefits you. Ever Point Guard of all and you play a little Brandon Ingram What happened. So I think the system I think when we look back at that trade between the. Lakers. I think we'll say that they say work off of won't team. Worked out for the Lakers short term thing with championship. Be for the area for Blonde Jane. All. In the long term. Ten years. Everybody stay work where they were arguably is the and. The NBA most. Year all star. This year is first. Of all the situation where he employees himself now, either along silent where you're actually are my position and so I looked. At. Unawares and have, and I like it. Again. I don't compare onto might cue for the what. I? Wore. Julius had to Walk Lake Griffin. Explosiveness. can you? Can you name the three exciting rookies that? have. The season with. John. we. Chicago shovels. Kobe. Shared with me. Talk. Of course of the season, remember the minerals locker room. Back in November and he actually told me. Gang. IS A. Rookie year. And gone. Not as a data surprise everybody. Because he went undrafted. and. MIAMI. Graphic, that's another team that when you talk about Eastern Conference. At the Miami wave team that is overlooked. And maybe he will scratch their head and Jimmy Butler the scientists welfare. So when I look at Kennedy Injured none surprised many the core interest none highly he world Jimmy. Butler. Year. On. Great One. This season. He added. Exonerated the. Year flat out. No questions asked. Checked in Philadelphia that February and Just A. Combination of both feet Jaren Jackson Junior. THOSE ULISES ON A. Twenty seven or twenty years old. And be so John, rats crazily effect on. The thing that. Not Say they're rose. Think. In the next ten years people to the next you know. People are going to say you know that guy plays. John John. Away. Our top regional way and Certainly of an exciting player, what's the? What he can do in his first season. So I think we can expect a lot of coming in the coming years. so like doing the initial period locked on me, I mean I think most of us are getting ad stated that we had to stay home. Batsman the last dance at. So de la. The ten episodes that we got to witness you know it's sort as it may take aleve. MD Three. Legacy So did you I mean you've obviously watched it? So can you like name a few favorite moments some the DOCU series. The interactive got. got Roller Scooby Radio and I had to close. The interaction with. No. Mandate Michael Jordan. And it's funny because. All, Scott. And All. This stuff is fascinating. and. Scott. And I think I, Michael Jordan West how Michael, Jordan love. But many people going. Clean. and. Work Human side of it. But the thing about it is. Who? Malcolm. Who doesn't say things that are not appropriate among your friends but he's Jordan and I think there's this pressure to be perfect. that. They show that. A lot of with all of the. Overview. I I'm very cool and Jason Capping Plate also. Is. It's funny. We were tape backups on the documentary of different things and I. Every Monday I would write something that's got will stay rather than Jason capped share with him. And it's That of all were able to be so successful. By. Multiple. Dramas. I did not know the whole stabbing at another berea contracts and stuff stabbing picket. I'm better being around goals during the nineteen seventy in particular. I episode on my show at the in Jersey hours before they had at one o'clock twelve o'clock payments the Bulls and I actually happened to play on the court and then just out the bulls. With this Rodman. Harper and walking along the road with this Rodman sitting in the locker room with. That kind of rolled out one of those. Days. Team. On the school he was sitting in owns. Before them. And a half. Like. On the show President Me Back My. Walk in the room. That was closed off your words and keep those action in the coffee. The late test receiving office Michael Jordan was. That it's meals like it was a crazy. On. My TV ON NBC and I didn't know what to say. So for me, it wasn't a salad for me. and will out Michael Jordan stories for me some childhood and it was great to be in contact with people who were in the documentary walls on I thomason. Our Second Fourth Jason Tacky Stop Morale. The came on the podcast and. the. Notion that when he said four five, my twenty. He told me. The. Action taken out of context. US With a misquote and he also says that we're Texas for. That was used in. So to me it was more just the thousands of going back in the archives but also. Maybe. The FIT. Under sister is twenty three. She's learning about the Michael Jordan is an adult she movie was mean probably didn't remember him as remember. Noah what was Down to me it just. Back. I mean for me you know getting all the little details that went behind reading the six tap into big was truly phenomenal. I mean he that at most no more look. It literally gave me to to you know see what even through as Lido as a team mate. it's unparalleled Michael Jordan in the last dance actually reunited the good debate. So it's been going on for A. Human not seeing that it hasn't been there ever since the last dance released that there's been so many debates, discussions about who who's the greatest player to play the lane the NBA. I mean the names at obviously pop this Michael Jordan and Lebron James. Or do how a thought player in the personal would would you pick among these? To. Go. Kobe Bryant as close early. Story to. An Oakley, it's fair compare Michael Jordan the. Because they're two different players Lebron James Clayton more like Magic Johnson. He is an immortal Magic Johnson with Oscar Robertson flair IOS played like hey. Hardaway Guy. Pippen. I think. If you maker in the oven. You can't compare your safe to Chris. The same time. Hyphen couture well-known state to a medium. That's not fair. Yeah. Is this generation Michael Jordan, but he's not Michael, Jordan and how Chevy should be all the way that you Cater. Own. Greatness. I think there are some there are some other own. Therapy there but I, also think. James. Is Back. Players. Rajin Thomas like Michael if I'm completely colby at times of his back vacuum replaced block with. Pushes. Six eight free trade. Chocolate gave then when he gets back to COBOL. Election stuff on over. Who could? All those way to the cup. We as a society in the next of all community oftentimes feel everybody. The around with a great is our Michael. Right if his era and. I that also? Thomas, doesn't get the credit he deserves. Towards killers the thirty two years old and I think we have that Michael Jordan with even the becalm from magic. H A. retired and Larry grew old issues but let's not that's it away from the race. visit. The I think wolf finally. Got It right and they beat them. But I also said that. Was taught. He played. Lay. Christie. Pastor. Mainly Magic's Maggie one Magic Johnson say Perkins. Your timeshare she. We got. Pisses and Michael won multiple NBA. Championships Looks Kinda clipping. Congressman. J I said he's a freelance, a higher and self. So multiple team to the NBA Finals and Many hope this will continue. just a couple of quick questions before we conclude out. So the opening night of the on. The Lakers playing? Suddenly going to be a blockbuster rating for it. But the clippers at the moment leading to and in the season's had to it. So how how would you think that will impact the momentum when the Lakers onto the court would. Would they get inspired you know that they're down to the court would you think there s as an? We. Move previous. Against the Lakers. Clippers. The only rise was so rich. So You Look, at our most. It for the first day. Radio. Any rain, but the Lakers would plead point and David Rogers was so figuring out this whole pick and roll thing. You know throughout the course of the season is. Like this running joke, he told me. That Lebron told him. A butter and Jelly Sandwich? Adam and They haven't quite made that. Every time I'd be the. And so you look at the creek. Lapses. and. I. Still without the didn't have. They didn't have Rondo. had. The Martin's cut. That can. the crews look. Just. Favorite out Sergei postponed because code. and. ESPN and the Lakers apparition. More. than she did have waiters play and they had Anthony Davis Lebron. James. Works. Maybe. Maybe some almond butter and some some some smarter jam. Don't tell them I said. Think when you look at the served. was more even though the clippers lost more indicative upon what they're. Looking at the Clippers added some key pieces joking? No, they ended Morrison added some other pieces. There's. This last game were thirtieth will exemplify. Marsters on both in. Mash people. Who? down. Still a regular season game. There's a long road ahead. Going into it and so. Going to be. Cool. will be like. Crew. Survey. Koby. Game. Path. The ball man, this is about a high school of comes. So On Saturday but. For sure. I I just have one question to ask you as a fan. You'VE you've. Seen a lot of players in the NBA from your experience. So you know you know lot of them were song and dad on aspect. So So if you had the time to build a perfect player. So, let me let me give you five four aspects. So the best shooting ability. The? Best. Possible. you know the best defender and the one with the best work at the so hold you to who you combine to form the best in. Neil. Player, you can. You can fuse for different players like you can get. It's like it's like you'll be boring their strength. If you had to be. Happen. To. Defending and work at the. 'CAUSE I. I. mean. Without. Defines. What was the last one we? At. Work the. Giving you a tough one. Three people say there are so many you know. I'M GONNA keep it back to the rigo fellow was back only nineteen, ninety, one work ethic would be my Lord. So shooting our and. Passing Jason Kidd Deepest Metal Roque's. Work. Out Too. That's that's absolutely wonderful. Thank you for answering that question. I mean. And thank you for your time. Mr Albertson it's it's indeed being. Chat I think I've learned a lot from what you have to stay US I'm sure I've US watching the slave will also be you know Dorky engaged with the conversation. You you certainly You know well, experience in your field and. I hope your podcast runs. Fully in the coming years and and I definitely hope that you invite back Obama on your show on. Yes Sir. Our to learn something from you I learn. That basketball. To. Interesting to talk to other people in the country. The skill of their personality. That's. International. Their. People. Overseas. Country are in two with personality sometime more than. Simply. Wrestling. I mean sports is always love everywhere in any of additional district late. Of. were. So. Yeah. Thank you for your time listed Amundsen. It's indeed being pleasure to you don't get the time to chat with you. Let me be myself. Thank you so. This is radio scene. You bring coffee bring the Dunkin.

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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 254: NBA finals Golden State Warriors vs Toranto Raptors and NBA News

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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 254: NBA finals Golden State Warriors vs Toranto Raptors and NBA News

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We have finally here it is the NBA playoffs Golden State Warriors going for the three peat against the first ever team outside of the United States to ever make an NBA finals. We got the Toronto Raptors. Game. One is tonight. And the first thing that I noticed about this. Was how it became one of those things where Canada had really just gotten behind Toronto and you hear about Drake and you see Jurassic Park and all the people that are surrounding, and then I saw the survey that was done. And it sucked the crap out of me actually it didn't shock the crap out of me, but it's surprise me. There was it's obvious that Canada is behind Toronto, but there was a survey done, and they pulled all fifty states of who do you want to see when the NBA championship? And I was surprised. Forty seven states out of fifty pick Toronto, so not only this Canada want to see Toronto win. But the United States wants to see Toronto win. So forty seven of the fifty states. The only two states that voted for seeing Golden State Warriors went again. Was California and the Vada which pretty much everybody in Nevada. They're kinda from California pretty much majority of the people are Californians or close enough considering I live in California here. And the one thing that made me think is. Why is quite Leonard even thinking about leaving their already in the finals? They have a really great team. And the one thing you get when you play for Toronto is you get the love of an entire country. Canada is going to love Kuwait, Leonard forever. He has a chance by winning this championship. Quiet Leonard kid, be the king of Canada and the king. Of the United States, having to countries that back you that means. You are instantly a global icon, you look around. And even when he even when he retires Canada will steal love him. Matter of fact, thence Carter left Canada, and they still love him. So it is something to think about seeing what I'm seeing here. I don't think you could get that anywhere else. Toronto has lost their mind over the Toronto. Raptors Canada has lost her mind over Toronto Raptors and it makes for a very interesting. Series here. Now when you start diving into the game. You start thinking, okay? What are the keys to winning this game? And I'm also going to tell you guys who I think is gonna win. And I'm gonna tell you why. When you think about Golden State Golden State's plan is early on is not necessarily the shutdown coli it's gonna be to play solid defense. On everyone. But if quite gets off he gets off. They're not going to try to control quite early on allow him to do a coup. Why does. But as the game gets late the big thing that they're going to try to do is. Try to really press Kawai in the fourth when a quiet is. At its most dangerous allow him to burn himself out in the first second and third quarters. But in fourth quarter start pressing him put dream on him. Putting clay on him double teaming him forcing the game plan is to force the ball out of his hands and force guys like Marcus all or Fred van Velde to beat them, but not let Hawaii beat them in fourth. They don't care choir goes off, for forty in the first three quarters as long as they force that ball out of his hands. In the fourth quarter that is the game plan that Golden State is gonna go with now Houston, not Houston. Sorry about that. Toronto. Their game plan say Houston on the brain because of all the talk about the trades and trading their entire roster of which we'll talk about shortly. After this segment here. But in order for Toronto win Toronto has to be smart. And that means slow the pace down, you can't beat no one can beat Golden State by having a shootout. If it's. If it's of Toronto of it's one fifteen one twenty I'm gonna tell you that as a loss. The game plan is to slow the game down. Make it a tough gritty game playing solid defense. The big thing is to pace Kowa Leonard, you don't want Hawaii going off, and burn himself out James harden did in which you spend so much energy in that first and second third quarter, but then can answer Bill in the fourth quarter and that's exactly what Golden State wants him to do. So being able to slow the pace down. Make it a measure pace make the game a very tough defensive game cannot give up. They're going to have to play solid defense. They can't play them the way Toronto played Jaanus where. You let you let him get open for threes because Golden State is degraded. Three point shooting team in history. If you start pushing them back, but you're not covering that thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen foot shot, Golden State will kill you not to mention the next thing you need to do is no matter how big of lead, you have you cannot get lax with them. You have to consistently. Play solid defense throughout this whole series of entire playoffs. Golden State has been behind. Numerous occasion, ten fifteen points down, and they just come back and win, because they can close a gap, so fast just one little period of time where you're lax and Toronto can look see a big giant lead disappear. Just like the trailblazer saw just like the Houston Rockets saw. It's about playing consistent, and that's the reason why they have to pay some self. They got a slow this game down. Make it so that it becomes a war of attrition where it's they want this game to be. Ninety five ninety eight you wanted to be, so you don't want to be. And a run up and down the court type game because that benefits. Golden state. Now, when you think about this, when I started looking at this, and I say, who I think's going to win and why? I look at this game and. I am taking Toronto to win the series. And this is the reason why. First off. Golden State has been off, they're actually going to be they've given up field advantage to Toronto this year. That homefield advantage is going to be big. It is going to be crazy. The energy is going to be high. I clearly expect Tronto to win game one. With that boogie cousins is coming back as well. So Golden State where they had this rhythm. That was working really well for them. Now, they're going to have to figure out how to work in DeMarcus cousin, this isn't. The regular season. This is one of the tough things that Steve Kerr was saying, if was a regular season game one we just put him in there and just say the heck with it. He's playing twenty twenty five minutes. Antill. We work him in, but this is the NBA finals. And if you try to force boogie cousins into this into this game, it's going to throw off the rhythm necks, if Tronto goes up game one they figure out they win game two. Now you have a situation where they're going to bring. Kevin Durant back. Now, you gotta figure out how to work in Kevin Durant, and Marcus cousins into a team who has been flowing through the playoffs because they haven't been there. So now you're trying to figure out how to work these guys back in. And yes, they had been playing for a while. But these are seven footers and they have to work themselves back in the game shape. They have to they are. They're both also coming off of lower extremity injuries, which means being able to loosen up joints and muscles. Just getting into that, that rhythm getting in game shape is going to take longer than the playoffs is going to be around. It's enough to really throw things off. And that's the reason why I am taking Toronto to win in six games. Now with that being said, if Kevin Durant was one hundred percent healthy and Marcus cousin was one hundred percent healthy that went through the playoffs, and they were totally playing like the Golden State Warriors were playing before the injuries. I would have taken Golden State all day and five or six games. But the fact that you're going to try to introduce one to two players into the series. I think is going to be a little more than Golden State is, is going to be able to do clay. And, and Steph curry is not going to have the same. Openings that they were gonna that. They're used to having because the whole flow is going to change it changes differently when Kevin Durant out there. It changes differently when Marcus cousins is out there. The Marcus cousins fills in a lot more in the middle where Draymond green likes the cut and drive down to the whole. It's takes time. Yes. They're used to plan that way. But it takes time to adjust back to once you've been playing this way without these guys to adjust with them. In that adjustment period that takes it into a situation where you could literally see a situation where they're down oh to going back into. Or co in the bay area and Durant comes back and now you're trying to really force grant back in that could get them into a whole. This is the reason why I am taking. Toronto Raptors to win and six and it is confirmed. The DaMarcus cousin will be playing and tonight's game. I'm very curious to see how much he is going to be playing in this game. But like I said you heard it here. I got the upset I got Team Canada. Who's gonna win the Toronto? Raptors gonna win in six games. When we come back, we're going to talk about a team that didn't win at all at all. Matter of fact, it's time to blow the team up. We're gonna talk about the Houston Rockets and the fact that del Maury has just made a statement about the fact that the entire team is officially on the clock and available for trade stay tune, we will be back. You'll do it right. To get your hands on tools. You can count on. And at lower prices lows, does it, right? To it. Savings during craftsman days. Hurry in and take advantage of great deals like a craftsman twenty volt max for two combo, featuring a drill impact driver. 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Get the latest football move both on and off the field from the NFL draft to treats to the rumor mill to the NFL combines. They got you covered. That's GMC podcast dot com slash footfall dash podcast get updates. I'm college. Why these key insights, and much much more. It's football talk the way you want it. This show sleeps and breathes football don't forget to like on Facebook and follow them on Twitter, visit yes MC, podcasts dot com. For more info. All right. We're back. Do just talk about the Golden State Warriors vs is Toronto Raptors game one night. I gave you my keys to gang and why I am taking Toronto to win the NBA championship over the Golden State Warriors stopping them from reaching their three peat goal. Now. This week. Dera Maury of the Houston Rockets. Made a pretty bold statement. He made it announcement that. There is it's come time to make some changes to the team and that all players. Are up for trade. Chris Paul James harden. Clint cappella PJ Tucker. Eric gordon. Everybody is up for trade. Now he did stop as far as say. It'd be kinda hard to believe are hard to imagine a situation where they would trade James harden, but pretty much. Everyone else is fair game. And when you start thinking about that. And you say. Wow, that's shocker. And I look at this and I say, why, why break this team up and I know the flushed ration- is cannot get past Golden State, but I tell you that the best decision is the state, of course, the best decision is the state, of course, because there is a very, very good chance that Kevin Durant will not be with the with the Golden State Warriors next year. That changes the whole dynamic, and the teamed, currently constituted could be good enough to win a championship. Now. One of the things if I was gonna make a change with the Houston Rockets. It would be to get rid of dantonio, Dan, Tony system has been proven to fail. When it comes to play off time I remember looking looking at Phoenix. Couldn't do it. New York couldn't do it Lakers. Couldn't do it. He that offense you have to be able to play defense, you have to be able to rain, nj harden. And that's the big thing. Big problem, when it comes to the Houston Rockets, when it comes to playoffs James harden, has no, no control. No one has teaches him how to play well with others. And what I mean by play. Well, with others, is that simple fact that whenever the ball is being handled by. Chris Paul, the offense is going through Chris Paul pay attention. He shuts down. He is not engaged when they're on defense. He's not engaged. In order to win a championship. You have to be engaged on offense at all times. When you're on when you're in the playoffs, and you're trying to contend for a championship you have to play defense. You, you look at the warriors and you say Steph curry may not be the greatest defensive player, but he tries to play defense and the rest of the team is one of the best defensive teams is one of the most underrated things about the Golden State Warriors, is the fact that they play solid defense, and they play solid defense for four quarters. That's the reason why I say. Get rid of Dan. Tony also another reason why you look around, and you say, Dan, Tony is the best decision. You're not gonna get anything for Chris Paul. The only thing you can do either just get rid of Chris Paul. Because when you look at harden and Chris Paul's contract. Nets year account for seventy percent. Of the team salary the year after that they count for seventy one percent the year after that they count for seventy three percent. Chris poll by the time his contract's up. He's twenty seven. He's way passes. He's already past his prime. Are you really going? Do you do you really see anyone? That is trying to make a run going to acquire a hundred and forty million dollar contract. When you look at this team and you say the Houston Rockets, have one of the highest payrolls if not, I I'm don't quote me on this, but I think they may have the highest payroll and basketball if not they're one of the top three teams at the highest payroll. But here's the biggest problem when you look at this team there to open team in NBA, when you look at the look at the contracts, and you say a year and, and Chris Paul is about one hundred twenty four million three years left on it before hundred twenty four million. You got Chris Paul at thirty eight point five million dollars. He's already thirty four. He'll be thirty five by the time to season by the time midway through the season. The next year. He's thirty six. He's thirty seven by the time they finally get out of that contract. It's a poison pill that I don't think there's anyone that's going to want it. James harden. At thirty seven point eight million. He's aged thirty. But if you trade dreams harden, what are you have left with his team? James harden, is not going to go anywhere. There Lakers aren't going to go and say, hey, LeBron for James harden. I've heard that talked about there is no way the Lakers are going to do that. So when you look at that James harden, his thing, Chris Paul is staying because no one's gonna want Chris Paul. He's an older player with a hundred and twenty four million dollars left on his contract, and he's lost two or three steps. The tractive one is Clint Capella at sixteen point four million twenty five years old. That is your most attractive piece, but he's also the piece that is the most attractive. But he's also the most promising peace at only sixteen point four million. It's he's under multiple years contract. Young. Why would you get rid of Clinton? Pella, Erik Gordon fourteen point one. He's thirty one years old PJ Tucker, PJ Tucker's, an attractive piece. He's thirty four but only eight point three million. That's an attractive contract, then as at three point eight he's thirty seven and then as far as rat picks go, they don't really have any major draft picks to speak of, how do you break this team up without destroying the team? I feel like any move that you make. To redo this team, which is too old, and too expensive just set yourself up to destroy a potentially championship team because without. Steph curry, do you, not give the Houston Rockets shot? Do you not give the Houston Rockets shot against Iran raptors because I do. So break in his team up, I think is a bad decision but. You have a situation where dome Maury is desperate for championship. And he is willing to do whatever it takes to get a championship. We're going to take a break when we come back, I'm gonna give you the latest news on Mr. Kyrie Irving. There are some reports out there. The kyri is getting close to a decision and there is some smoothing going on. 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Is Chris Paul who's too old into expensive. And James harden is a piece that would just blow the franchise up. If you got rid of him. So they're in a rock in a hard place. I suggested getting rid of dantonio the coach. Speaking of changes to an organization. There is a guy who everyone is starting to put the pressure on. And the recruiting pitch. Has come to career. Ving. Last week. There was reports the brawn James had dinner would kyri Irving. Magic Johnson talked about how he would like to see Kyrie Irving come to Los Angeles Lakers. And now. The word comes out that. Kyrie irvings mentor, the guy he looks up to the most is now recruiting kyri to come to the Los Angeles Lakers. That is Kobe bean. Bryant the Black Mamba. The one person that has a lot of say he has a lot of career respect. Is Kobe Bryant. He's talked about that Mamba mentality. Many a times this is a very interesting situation because there's there are some reports saying that. The two front runners are the Brooklyn nets in the Los Angeles Lakers, and that the Knicks have fallen behind and it's looking close to those two teams. And if that's the case if you're looking around and you're saying. What do you want between Brooklyn and the Lakers? Yes, you can say the Lakers have a lot of drama going on. But the Lakers are set to win Chiriqui go he can go back and join LeBron a person that he knows a person that he has had a lot of success with. A guy that he has realized that he handle wrong, and as contacted him in policies, and MRs what he had with the Braun. But this wouldn't be to Cleveland. Situation because of the fact that the Lakers would have LeBron they would have kyri but an interesting thing, if kyri did go to the Lakers, you would have a situation where right now when you look at the Lakers, they only have five guys on their roster. That's it. They have LeBron James. They have Lonzo Boral they got Brandon Ingram cow Kouzmin and Josh heart Rondo and the rest of the crew are gone. They can go out if kyri came there, they got plenty of room, if they wanted to keep the current team in tat. They could go for some and one Brown. Lebron with some shooting you could bring kyri and. You can bring Seth curry not Steph curry, but Steph curry, you go after JD Rettig, or Trevor Reza, or Danny green in which you could actually put together a team with Lonzo kyri ball Ingram curry JJ Rettig, or Riza where you'd have the shooting carrying LeBron would handle the ball that is a championship team there or option. Two is you could package up ball or Ingram Kouzmin you can pay in fourth. Pick you could either put one or two of them you two or three of them, you pack Jamal and end up with their own personal big three which a number of executives are starting to think there's been word the number executives are starting to think that the Lakers, we'll get a big three that they're gonna get Anthony Davis. Carrie and the brawn James in Los Angeles. And then that is a championship team to speak of. We're going to take another break. When we come back, we're going to talk about Anthony Davis because we were just talking about how he would be the perfect fit will when we come back, we're going to talk about that stay tuned, and we'll be back. You'll do it right. To get your hands on tools. You can count on. And at lower prices lows does it right to savings during craftsman days per unit? Take advantage of great deals like a craftsman twenty volt max for two combo kit, featuring a drill impact driver. 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The guy he looks up to Kobe Bryant and the word is out that pretty much is been narrowed down to the Brooklyn nets and the Los Angeles Lakers for where kyri wants to go the lent his services. When you think about it. And you say you look at the pieces that they have if kyri went there with the Braun and kyri you could package up a deal that would send LeBron James main Lonzo ball or Brandon Ingram or cow coups are Josh hard are all for those guys minus LeBron that is to New Orleans pelicans for Anthony Davis. That is a very interesting. Team. That's a team that could win and. Especially with the news that David Griffin, who has been consistent saying, consistently saying that he thinks he can get Anthony Davis to stay. Well. David Griffin met with Anthony Davis had a nice little meet and greet just to introduce himself. What the purpose of showing Anthony Davis that this is not your old New Orleans pelicans. We got Cihan come in and you and Zych Zion will be this force to reckon with, and how they've, they've really improved their medical staff is no longer using a foot of football team's medical staff. The New Orleans Saints. They have their own how they're all these improvements. That's going on. But after the meeting. When you start looking at things. The word Gat back the day of notified David Griffin that Anthony Davis has not changed his mind. He wants out of New Orleans. This is putting. A techy situation because there's a limited time on, how long you can hope keep this going on David Griffin wants to have another meeting with Anthony Davis to pitch him on how we want you to stay what we can do to keep you here. And what we can do to make you this global star was Zion. But it's not working. Anthony Davis wants out the damage has been done. He has been a star and a little market, and he wants to go to LA or New York. There's talk that Boston is interested in New York is talking about packaging up there. Pick that third pick and whatever they can do, but I still tell you, if you take personal feelings aside of what the New Orleans pelicans or front office feels about the Lakers. The best offer out there is what the Lakers can put together that fourth pick, and you pick your guy between heartened, coups Mon and Ingram and ball. That's a team that you could turn things around and really start your franchise going in the right direction, you would have Zairian let's say, you know, and you add those Lakers pieces. And that's a solid rebuilding organization right there. But if they and I feel like David Griffin has this approach that I can wait to the trade deadline get rid of him? But if you wait to the trade deadline, the offers that are going to be available are going to be significantly less. If kyri goes to the Lakers, which I do think he's going to go to the Lakers. If kyri goes to Lakers, and is LeBron kyri and coups. Mon and Ingram and balls healthy and they're really light in a world on fire. You could have a situation where all of a sudden those offers that were put out there are no longer there. And you may have to settle on an offer or send him somewhere that he doesn't wanna go. An end up with a fraction of what you could've gotten because you could fleece the Lakers right now and get pretty much that entire young core for Anthony Davis, the Lakers won a big three and they're willing to give up everything to get it. And I think I think the New Orleans pelicans should take it with that. We're gonna be rapid. We're going to wrap things up here because we got the game that's going on tonight. Very looking forward to it as I have the Toronto Raptors winning this game game one. I also have them winning the series in six games. I'll be back on tomorrow to tell you if I was right or wrong. No matter what, I'll be here. With that. Enjoy the game. 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GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 546: NBA finals Warriors vs Raptors, NBA News, Lakers

GSMC Sports Podcast

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GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 546: NBA finals Warriors vs Raptors, NBA News, Lakers

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We got the Toronto Raptors. Game. One is tonight. And the first thing that I noticed about this. Was how it became one of those things where Canada had really just gotten behind Toronto and you hear about Drake and you see Jurassic Park and all the people that are surrounding, and then I saw the survey that was done. And it shocked, the crap outta me actually it didn't shock the crap out of me, but it's surprise me. There was it's obvious that Canada is behind Toronto, but there was a survey done, and they pulled all fifty states of who do you want to see when the NBA championship? And I was surprised. Forty seven states out of fifty pick Toronto. So not only this Candida want to see Toronto win. But the United States wants to see Toronto win. So forty seven of the fifty states. The only two states that voted for seeing Golden State Warriors win again. Was California and the Vada which pretty much everybody in Nevada. They're kinda from California pretty much majority of the people are Californians or close enough considering I live in California here. And the one thing that made me think is. Why is quiet Leonard even thinking about leaving their already in the finals? They have a really great team. And the one thing you get when you play for Toronto is you get the love of an entire country. Canada is going to love Kawai Leonard forever. He has a chance by winning this championship. Quiet Leonard kid, be the king of Canada and the king. Of the United States, having to countries that back you that means. You are instantly a global icon, you look around. And even when he even when he retires Canada will still love him. Matter of fact, thence Carter left Canada, and they still love him. So it is something to think about seeing what I'm seeing here. I don't think you could get that anywhere else. Toronto has lost their mind over the Toronto. Raptors Canada has lost her mind over to Toronto Raptors and it makes for a very interesting. Series here. Now when you start diving into the game. You start thinking, okay? What are the keys to winning this game? And I'm also going to tell you guys who I think is going to win. And I'm gonna tell you why. When you think about Golden State Golden State's plan is early on is not necessarily the shutdown Kawai it's gonna be to play solid defense. On everyone. But if qui- gets off he gets off. They're not going to try to control quite early on allow him to do with. Why does. But as the game gets late the big thing that they're going to try to do is. Try to really press Kawai in the fourth when a coup. Why is? At its most dangerous allow him to burn himself out in the first second and third quarters. But in the fourth quarter start pressing him put dream on on him. Putting clay on him double teaming him forcing the game plan is to force the ball out of his hands and force guys like Marcus oil or Fred van Velde to beat them, but not let Hawaii Beetham in fourth. They don't care if choir goes off, for forty in the first three quarters as long as they force that ball out of his hands. In the fourth quarter that is the game plan that Golden State is gonna go with now Houston, not Houston. Sorry about that. Toronto. Their game plan say Houston on the brain because of all the talk about the trades and trading their entire roster off which we'll talk about shortly. After this segment here. But in order for Toronto Liu wen Toronto has to be smart. And that means slow the pace down, you can't beat no one can beat Golden State by having a shootout. If it's. If it's if Toronto if it's one fifteen to one twenty I'm until you. That is a loss. The game plan is to slow the game down. Make it a tough gritty game. Playing solid defense. The big thing is to pace coli Leonard, you don't want Hawaii going off, and burn himself out, like James harden, did an which you spend so much energy in that first and second third quarter, but then can answer to Bill in the fourth quarter and that's exactly what Golden State wants to do. So being able to slow the pace down. Make it a measure pace make the game a very tough defensive game cannot give up. They're going to have to play solid defense. They can't play them the way Toronto played Janas. Where? You let you let him get open for threes because Golden State is degraded. Three point shooting team in history. If you start pushing them back, but you're not covering that thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen foot shot, Golden State will kill you not to mention the next thing you need to do is no matter how big of lead, you have you cannot get lax with them. You have to consistently. Play solid defense throughout this whole series of throughout the entire playoffs. Golden State has been behind. And in numerous occasion, ten fifteen points down, and they just come back and win, because they can close a gap, so fast just one little period of time where you're lax and Toronto can look see a big giant lead disappear. Just like the trailblazer saw just like the Houston Rockets saw. It's about playing consistent and that's the reason why they have to pace himself. They got a slow this game down. Make it so that it becomes a war of attrition where it's they want this game to be. Ninety five ninety eight you wanted to be, so you don't want to be. In a run up and down the court type game because that benefits. Golden state. Now, when you think about this, when I started looking at this, and I say, who do I think's going to win and why? I look at this game and. I am taking Toronto to win the series. And this is the reason why. First off. Golden State has been off, they're actually going to be they've given up field advantage to Toronto this year. That homefield advantage is going to be big. It is going to be crazy. The energy is going to be high. I clearly expect Tronto to win game one. With that boogie cousins is coming back as well. So Golden State where they had this rhythm. That was working really well for them. Now they're going to have to figure out how to work in Marcus cousin. This isn't. The regular season. This is one of the tough things that even Steve Kerr was saying if it was a regular season game one we just put them in there and just say the heck with it. He's playing twenty twenty five minutes. Until we work him in, but this is the NBA finals. And if you try to force boogie cousins into this into this game it's gonna throw off the rhythm necks, if Toronto goes up game one they figured out they win game two. Now you have a situation where they're going to bring. Kevin Durant back. Now, you gotta figure out how to work in Kevin Durant, and DeMarcus cousins into a team who has been flowing through the play offs because they haven't been there. So now you're trying to figure out how to work these guys back in. And yes, they had been playing for a while. But these are seven footers and they have to work themselves back in the game shape. They have to they are. They're both also coming off of lower extremity injuries, which means being able to loosen up joints and muscles. Just getting into that, that rhythm getting in game shape is going to take longer than the playoffs is going to be around. It's enough to really throw things off. And that's the reason why I am taking Toronto to win in six games. Now with that being said, if Kevin Durant was one hundred percent health in Marcus cousin was one hundred percent healthy that went through the playoffs, and they were totally playing like the Golden State Warriors were playing before the injuries. I would've taken Golden State all day and five or six games. But the fact that you're going to try to introduce one to two players into the series. I think is going to be a little more than Golden State is, is going to be able to do clay. And, and Steph curry is not going to have the same. Openings that they were to that they're used to having because the whole flow is going to change it changes differently when Kevin Durant out there. It changes differently when Marcus cousins is out there DeMarcus cousins fills in a lot more in the middle where Draymond green likes the cut and drive down to the whole. It's takes time. Yes. They're used to plan that way. But it takes time to adjust back to once you've been playing this way without these guys to adjust with them. In that adjustment period that takes it into a situation where you could literally see a situation where they're down to going back into. Oracle in the bay area and Durant comes back and now you're trying to really force grant back in that could get them into a whole. This is the reason why I am taking. Toronto Raptors to win and six and it is confirmed. The DaMarcus cousin will be playing in tonight's game. I'm very curious to see how much he is going to be playing in this game. But like I said you heard it here. I got the upset I got Team Canada. Who's gonna win the Toronto? Raptors gonna win in six games. When we come back, we're going to talk about a team that didn't win at all at all. Matter of fact, it's time to blow the team up. We're gonna talk about the Houston Rockets and the fact that there are more is just made a statement about the fact that the entire team is officially on the clock and available for trade stay tune, we will be back. Quitting your burgers of a coffee table. 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Clint cappella PJ Tucker. Eric gordon. Everybody is up for trade now he did stop as far as say it be kinda hard to believe are hard to imagine a situation where they would trade James harden, but pretty much. Everyone else is fair game. And when you start thinking about that. And you say. Wow, that's a shocker. And I look at this, and I say, why, why break this team and I know the flush ration- is cannot get past Golden State. But I tell you that the best decision is the state, of course, the best decision is state, of course, because there is a very, very good chance that Kevin Durant will not be with the with the Golden State Warriors next year. That changes the whole dynamic, and the team currently constituted could be good enough to win a championship. Now. One of the things if I was gonna make a change with the Houston Rockets. It would be to get rid of dantonio, Dan, Tony system has been proven to fail. When it comes to play off time I remember looking looking at Phoenix. Couldn't do it. New York couldn't do it Lakers. Couldn't do it. He that offense you have to be able to play defense, you have to be able to rain in James harden. And that's the big thing, big problem, when it comes to the Houston Rockets, when it comes to the playoffs James harden, has no, no control. No one has teaches him how to play well with others. And what I mean by play. Well, with others, is that simple fact that whenever the ball is being handled by. Chris Paul, the offense is going through Chris Paul pay attention. He shuts down. He is not engaged when they're on defense. He's not engaged. In order to win a championship. You have to be engaged on offense at all times. When you're on when you're in the playoffs, and you're trying to contend for a championship you have to play defense. You, you look at the warriors and you say Steph curry may not be the greatest defensive player, but he tries to play defense and the rest of the team is one of the best defensive team is one of the most underrated things about the Golden State Warriors, is the fact that they play solid defense, and they play solid defense for four quarters. That's the reason why I say. Get rid of Dan. Tony also another reason why you look around, and you say, Dan, Tony is the best decision. You're not gonna get anything for Chris Paul. The only thing you can do is either just get rid of Chris Paul. Because when you look at Hardin and Chris Paul's contract next year they count for seventy percent. Of the team salary the year after that they count for seventy one percent the year after that they count for seventy three percent. Chris Paul by the time his contract's up. He's twenty seven. He's way passes prime. He's already past his prime. Are you really going? Do you, do you really see anyone that is trying to make a run going to acquire a hundred and forty million dollar contract? When you look at this team and you say the Houston Rockets, have one of the highest payroll, if not, I, I'm don't quote me on this, but I think they may have the highest payroll and basketball if not they're one of the top three teams at the highest payroll. But here's the biggest problem when you look at this team, they're the oldest team in NBA when you look at the look at the contracts and you say a year and, and Chris Paul is about one hundred twenty four million three years left on it before hundred twenty four million. You got Chris Paul at thirty eight point five million dollars. He's already thirty four. He'll be thirty five by the time the season by the time midway through the season. The next year. He's thirty six. He's thirty seven by the time they finally get out of that contract. It's a poison pill that I don't think there's anyone that's going to want it. James harden. At thirty seven point eight million. He's aged thirty. But if you trade James harden, what do you have left with his team? James harden, is not going to go anywhere. There Lakers aren't going to go and say, hey, the Braun for James harden. I've heard that talked about, there's no way the Lakers are gonna do that. So when you look at that James harden, his staying Chris Paul is staying because no one's going to want Chris Paul. He's an older player with a hundred and twenty four million dollars left on his contract, and he's lost two or three steps the track of one is Clint Capella at sixteen point four million twenty five years old. That is your most attractive piece, but he's also the piece that is the most attractive. But he's also the most promising peace at only sixteen point four million. It's he's under multiple years contract. Young. Why would you get rid of Clint cappella Erik Gordon at fourteen point one? He's thirty one years old, PJ, Tucker, PJ, Tucker's attractive piece. He's thirty four but only eight point three million. That's an attractive contract, then as at three point eight he's thirty seven and then as far as Rath picks go. They don't really have any major draft picks to speak of, how do you break this team up without destroying the team? I feel like any move that you make. To redo this team, which is too old, and too expensive just set yourself up to destroy a potentially championship team because without. Steph curry, do you, not give the Houston Rockets shot? Do you not give the Houston Rockets shot against Toronto? Raptors because I do. So break in his team up, I think is a bad decision but. You have a situation where they'll Maury is desperate for championship. And he is willing to do whatever it takes to get a championship. 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In the last segment, we talked about the Houston Rockets, and how they're they're warriors decided that his time to break the team up. Even though they're cash-strapped and the oldest team in the league. And their most attractive piece that they would want to get rid of. It's Chris Paul who's too old into expensive. And James harden is a piece that would just blow the franchise up. If you get rid of him. So they're in a rock and a hard place. I suggested getting rid of Dan, Tony the coach. Speaking of changes to an organization. There is a guy who everyone is starting to put the pressure on. And the recruiting pitch. Has come to Cairo Irving. Last week. There was reports the brawn James had dinner would kyri Irving. Magic Johnson talked about how he would like to see Kyrie Irving come to Los Angeles Lakers. And now. Word comes out that Kyrie irvings mentor the guy he looks up to the most is now recruiting kyri to come to the Los Angeles Lakers. That is Kobe being Bryant the Black Mamba. The one person that has a lot of say and he has a lot of career Vince respect. Is Kobe Bryant. He's talked about that Mamba mentality many times. This is very interesting situation because there's there are some reports saying that. The two front runners are the Brooklyn nets and the Los Angeles Lakers and that the Knicks have fallen behind and it's looking close to those two teams. And if that's the case if you're looking around and you're saying. What do you want between Brooklyn and the Lakers? Yes, you can say the Lakers have a lot of drama going on. But the Lakers are set to win Chiriqui go he can go back and join what LeBron a person that he knows a person that he has had a lot of success with a guy that he has realized that he handled wrong and has contacted him in policies and MRs what he had with the Braun. But this wouldn't be Cleveland. Situation because of the fact that the Lakers would have LeBron they would have kyri but an interesting thing, if kyri did go to the Lakers. You would have a situation where right now. When you look at the Lakers, they only have five guys on their roster. That's it. They have LeBron James. They have Lonzo Boral they got Brandon Ingram cow Kouzmin and Josh heart Rondo and the rest of the crew are gone. They can go out. If Kyrie came there, they got plenty of room, if they wanted to keep the current team in tat. They could go for some and one Brown, Brian with some shooting you could bring kyri and you can bring Seth curry not Steph curry, but Seth curry, you could go after JD Rettig or Trevor REEs, or Danny green in which you could actually put together a team. With Lonzo kyri ball Ingram curry JJ, Rettig, or Riza, where you'd have the shooting carrying LeBron would handle the ball that is a championship team there or option. Two is you could package up ball or Ingram Kouzmin, you can pay in the fourth pick, you could either put one or two of them you two or three of them, you can package them all and end up with their own personal, big three, which number of executives are starting to. Think there's been word the number executives are starting to think that the Lakers, we'll get a big three that they're gonna get Anthony Davis Carey in the brawn James in Los Angeles. And then that is a championship team to speak of. We're gonna take another break. When we come back. We're going to talk about Anthony Davis because we were just talking about how he would be the perfect fit. When we come back, we're gonna talk about that. Stay tuned, and we'll be back. Seven eleven has more drinks than times. You've been caught singing in your car and randomly stored in your brain combined. Choose from flavour-filled slurpy, and big gulp drinks, Chris coconut water energizing cold. Brew and hot coffee. 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Nets in the Los Angeles Lakers for where kyri wants to go the lend his services. When you think about it. And you say you look at the pieces that they have if kyri went there with the Braun and kyri you could package up a deal that would send LeBron Jane Meena, Lonzo ball or Brandon Ingram or cow Kouzmin, or Josh hard are all for those guys minus LeBron that is to New Orleans pelicans for Anthony Davis. That is a very interesting. Team. That's a team that could win and. Especially with the news that David Griffin who has been consistent saying, consistently saying that he thinks he can get Anthony Davis. Stay. Well. David Griffin met with Anthony Davis had a nice little meet and greet just to introduce himself. What the purpose of showing Anthony Davis that this is not your old New Orleans pelicans. We got Cihan come in and you and Zykon Zion will be this force to reckon with, and how they've, they've really improved their medical staff is no longer using a foot of football team's medical staff. The New Orleans Saints. They have their own how they're all these improvements. That's going on. But. After the meeting. When you start looking at things the word Gat back. The day of notified David Griffin that Anthony Davis has not changed his mind. He wants out of New Orleans. This is putting. A techy situation because there's a limited time on, how long you can hope keep this going on David Griffin wants to have another meeting with Anthony Davis to pitch him on how we want you to stay what we can do to keep you here and what we can do to make you this global star. With zion? But it's not working. Anthony Davis wants out the damage has been done. He has been a star and a little market. And he wants to go to L A, or New York. There's talk that Boston is interested in New York is talking about packaging up Vetter pick that third pick and whatever they can do, but I still tell you, if you take personal feelings aside of what the New Orleans pelicans or front office feels about the Lakers. The best offer out there is what the Lakers can put together that fourth pick, and you pick your guy between heartened, coups Mon and Ingram in ball. That's a team that you could turn things around and really start your franchise going in the right direction. You would have Zay on. Let's say you, you know, and you add those Lakers pieces, and that's a solid rebuilding organization right there. But if they in, I feel like David Griffin has this approach that I can wait to the trade deadline to get rid of him? But if you wait to the trade deadline, the offers that are going to be available are going to be significantly less. If kyri goes to the Lakers, which I do think he's going to go to the Lakers. If kyri goes to the Lakers, and it's LeBron kyri and coups Mon and Ingram and balls, healthy, and they're really light in the world on fire. You could have a situation where all of a sudden those offers that were put out there are no longer there. And you may have to settle on an offer or send him somewhere that he doesn't wanna go. An end up with a fraction of what you could've gotten because you could fleece the Lakers right now and get pretty much that entire young core for Anthony Davis, the Lakers won a big three and they're willing to give up everything to get it. And I think I think the New Orleans pelicans should take it with that. We're going to be rapid. We're going to wrap things up here because we got the game that's going on tonight. Very look looking forward to it as I have the Toronto Raptors winning this game game one. I also have them winning the series in six games. I'll be back on tomorrow to tell you if I was right or wrong. No matter what, I'll be here. With that. 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 The Right to Boycott

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The Right to Boycott

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Nino in other nights said Jim your child in the river by the Cyprus whatsoever in fear that us as homemade side with this JP is a translator and poet from Houston, Texas one day early last year, a curator at the university of Houston's art museum got in touch with JP about this Spanish essay, he needed translated into English. And he asked me if I would be willing to do it. And I said, yes, the curator Email J P the contract. So I got home printed out was reading through it. And I found the clause it's caused number thirty three no boycotts. Contractor certifies and verifies that it one does not boycott, Israel and two will not wake hot Israel during the term of. This agreement. So under this clause JP would not be allowed to do work for the university because J P has been boycotting Israeli product for the past few years Sabra hummus, it's made by a company with ties to the Israeli military and refusing to buy this HAMAs JP's way of supporting a movement called which stands for boycott divestment. Sanctions Bedia supporters Sita's as way to use nonviolent protests to pressure the Israeli government about his treatment of the Palestinian people. Support for Bedia has been growing here in the US in recent years. Sitting at home staring at this clause JP head to figure out what to say to the Curators. I initially crossed out that cause and it put my initials next to it scanned it. And sent it back to him. I think the next day told me that that wasn't a possibility that I couldn't just cross it out that I needed to either sign it or not signing JP didn't sign and didn't get the job as a poet. I think very hard about how I put words together. And what words I put out into the world. And what those me, and that was a definite combination of words that I was not willing to sign. My name. This clause can JP contract comes from a law that state of Texas passed in two thousand seventeen a law that mandates that contractors who give money from the state agree that they will not cut Israel, and it's not just Texas today at least seventeen states have laws or executive orders. Like the one JP ran into. All this is happening at a moment when how Americans talk about Israel has become one of the most controversial questions in politics today. But no matter where you stand on the Israeli Palestinian conflict. We're not here to talk about whether boycotting Israel is right or wrong. We're here to talk about the right to boycott itself. Because when JP saw the clause JP was not just thinking about Israel. So something like the first amendment feels a little bit distant to me. But I definitely thought because I was reading that. I know that I have a right to hold my own beliefs. And this seems like an infringement on that right today on the show we asked who has the right to boycott who doesn't reporter Julius. I'm and takes it from here. If you want to understand the thinking behind Texas's anti-abuse law, a good place to start is in Washington DC at the conference where some of the boycott movements. Biggest critics gather every year. This is APEC the American Israel Public affairs committee, a group founded to represent the state of Israel in America. This year's conference started with a giant singalong thousands of people waving their hands back and forth. After the music the speeches started. And there was a theme are deeply opposed. The boycott divestment and sanctions movement. It is wrong to boycott Israel beady s is pure unadulterated, racism, even before Israel came into existence. Boycotts were used as a weapon of those who oppose the very existence of the Jewish state that was New York mayor Bill de Blasio. Vice President Mike Pence Senator Jim risch and Senator Charles Schumer, Senator Schumer went on to explain that in his view. The current boycotts of Israel are part of a alone Streep. So from the moment, Israel, drew our first breath until this very moment. Israel has long been threatened by boycott movements. And I will always stand with Israel against those who seek to do her harm by boycott. Or by any other means? Back in Texas JP, the translator does recognize the complexity of the issue how that gets sorted through. And how people within Israel and Palestine decided to deal with that, you know, I don't know all of the answers there. But I do know that those specific claims of the BBS movement are important to me important enough to do more than simply refusing to sign the contract JP joined a lawsuit. Brought by the ACLU challenging the Texas law without knowing it JP was joining a legal fight about the right to boycott that goes back to a tiny town in Mississippi during the civil rights movement. Yes. We met in the movement. Yes. We will come resin the struggle. This is Caroline. And James Miller. They grew up in port Gibson Mississippi met in the youth group of the end of Lacey pe- seventeen. If as you. Did you talk about as teenagers? Caroline and James used to hang out at a local mall. Chop called Eddie lease. It was their spot. They would come put it nickel in the jukebox play some Curtis Mayfield. Get a chili dog famous hat dogs and malts Eddie lease was a safe haven for them. Even though the town was majority black most of the stores were white owned and openly discriminated against black people, especially the Piggly wiggly supermarket. Caroline remembers having to enter at the back of the store as a little kid. This is the way about it was I didn't even realize it was the front door. Oh, damn big wing. There was rude. White full. This is Charles Evers brother of the famous civil rights leader mega Evers who's assassinated in the sixties Charles is ninety six now after his brother was killed. He became the head of the Mississippi and. CPI import Gibson in nineteen sixty six everything was segregated not just the stores and besides voter drives and lawsuits one of the main tactics. N W C P had to fight. Jim crow was boycotts. Were and that'd be we bought him. Sloven more car store they killed they've Fairleigh should be fed down. So this was part of the movement was a movement Charles Evers, and the NWEA leadership wanted more job opportunities an end to segregation and just basic respect for the black community. So they sent a letter to the local white leadership when the white people didn't respond the black community began a boycott. So in port Gibson. How successful was the boycott. We're most of the black folk participating. Oh, yes in need you. And then we begin old stores. I own black owned businesses. Black people were going to places like Eddie lease or even to neighboring towns for groceries, but not too white on stores which started shutting down, and then the white businesses did something that the black residents didn't expect in nineteen sixty nine the local hardware store, the piggly-wiggly and many of the white businesses sued the N W C P and more than one hundred individual plaque. Residents of the county. Suan us for asking for basic courtesies and may know foods to me. That's Caroline from the NWC p group. It didn't make sense to her husband James either. And a warning to listeners there's an offensive term in this next part that some might not wanna hear, you know, how can you sue somebody 'cause they don't spend their money until store when you call them. Woo. You don't give them in a basic with spent the white businesses were asking for millions of dollars loss from the boycott. And they wanted the boycott to stop the case went to the Mississippi courts, and they sided with the white businesses the N W C P appealed and the case went on for thirteen years in one thousand nine hundred two they finally ended up here. Arguments next in C P against play barn hardware, the supreme court of the United States. Mr. Cutler, I think you may proceed whenever you're ready attorney Lloyd Cutler stepped up he was representing the end up Lacey. Pe- Justice, and may have please the court. He started by going way back to the Boston tea party. This nation was born out of a series of colonial boycotts against British merchants in support of petitions to the British king and parliament, so the redress of grievances. He said the founding fathers loved boycotts, and when they adopted the first amendment we submit they could not possibly have intended to exclude from its protection. Very means of petition that they themselves had employed. Cutler argued that from the beginning, the founders were talking about using the power of the pocket book to express political views, and they change it is so wrapped into our history that we do not see how the first amendment could be ready to the country, and the supreme court agreed in an eight zero decision Thurgood Marshall recused himself because he used to represent the NWC p the court said the right to peaceful boycott is protected by the first amendment. The end of lease EP and the black community of port Gibson had one. Caroline and James Miller helped organize a victory party. But not at any lease. It is in here. What we needed to get some? They wanted something a little stronger than a malt. We clean doing most memo. Now, we've been a little Jack. Thirty six years later. Caroline's now, a first grade teacher James works with juveniles in the Justice system and to be closer to their grandkids. They now live near Dallas, Texas. I asked them if they'd heard of Texas anti-boycott law, they haven't. So I tell them about the law and about JP. Instant replay is like it was the same thing happened in import gives them. I mean, how can that even be constitutional? I mean, come on. Well, there are definitely people who do think it's constitutional. I'm Eugene controversy is a professor of constitutional law. George Mason, University Scalia school wall Eugene's Isreaeli American. He also works for an Israeli think tank, and like a lot of people I met at the APEC conference, he sees the boycott divestment and sanctions movement as discriminatory towards Israel lease. So for the past few years, he's been working on a legal way to combat these boycotts. Eugene's actually been called the intellectual architect of America's antibody S laws because he's been helping elected officials all around the country. Make sure they're laws passed a sort of free speech smell test. I helped advise them on different paths to take in a safe path. Follow. And what do you mean by safe, a widely acceptable doesn't raise any constitutional questions? But as James Miller said they're actually a lot of constitutional questions and some of those questions go right back to port Gibson, Mississippi, and the supreme court case clayborn hardware versus and W C P first of all curb on hawed involved. Consumer boycott. That's the example of you buying Sabra hummus. So none of the state laws involved. Consumer boycotts. Eugene saying all these recent anti-boycott laws around America. They don't affect consumers. They affect companies and j p the translator Eugene says is a company a sole proprietorship a one person translation business, according to you Jean J P can boycott Israel as a consumer till the cows, come home. But if Jay piece one person company boycott Sabra HAMAs the state won't contract with that company in the Capac. In the capacity of his contractor as a state. He cannot boycott Israel now in practice. A poet has a limited ability. A translator has a limited ability providing translation services to actually be boycotting Israel. So I would say this law has almost no application to him. Why he couldn't get paid? He could get paid. Because how as a translator is he boycotting as well. He's he's a difference between personal and corporate capacity. What I can tell you is these laws do not apply to individuals that apply to businesses. That's not exactly right. This is Brian house. One of the lawyers on the ACLU team representing JP Brian says under Texas law and most state laws JP, the consumer versus J P the company it's all the same. The law says that there is no distinction between the sole proprietor as a business entity and the sole proprietor as an individual. So in a sober pride or signs a form saying that as a contractor. They will not participate in boycotts of Israel. What they're certifying that it is that neither as an individual nor as a business. Will they participate in a boycott of Israel at all for the duration of the contract? So I think this notion that you can cleanly separate a contractor's operations as a business entity versus as an individual. I don't think the law supports that some states around the US are now changing their anti-boycott laws. So that they don't affect sole proprietorships like J P and only affect companies with more than ten people. But Brian says that even then those companies still have the right to boycott. The supreme court has been extremely clear for several decades that businesses have the exact same first amendment rights as individuals Prien an Eugene, don't just disagree on the details of the laws, but on the very reason for being of laws that ban boycotts against Israel Eugene cici's laws as a way to protect Israel and Jews from discrimination. And he notes that EDS singles out Israel. When it doesn't treat other nations. The same way why do people who say they care about human rights? Why do they only talk it as well? And it's a fair inference this a proxy for anti-semitism. Ryan says yes anti-semitism is a problem. And he says the government can make laws to curb some types of discrimination, for example, with public accommodation laws the government can say to a hotel, you must rent rooms to his Rayleigh people. You can't exclude them, but if individuals are boycotting Israeli owned hotels as a means of political expression. Bryant says the government can't police that as the nineteen eighty-two. Clayborn hardware case showed the government can't take away the right to use boycotts as a means of political speech. And Ryan says the government definitely can't single out one type of boycotting in its loss. The fact that the government in these cases is only targeting boycotts of Israel, and not even attempting to prevent discrimination in any other circumstance gives rise to a strong inference at the government's real interest is not in preventing discrimination. But rather in suppressing speech? That it doesn't like. Little over a week ago. A bipartisan group in the house introduced a resolution condemning the movement of Waikato, Israel and back in January. The Senate overwhelmingly passed the combating beady act sponsored by Senator Marco Rubio is basically the federal government allowing the states to continue their anti boycott laws. I asked several lawmakers, including Senator Rubio to comment for this story. They all declined or didn't get back to me. But there is a video of Senator Rubio defending his Bill on the Senate floor issue doesn't in any way. Prevent anyone from participating in boy carting divesting from Israel. All it says is that if you do your clients in the form of state or local governments can boycott or divest you in return free speech is a two way street but team oh headed e a civil rights and liberties attorney says free speech actually isn't a two way street that misses the entire purpose of the first. Amendment which is to protect us against government interference in our first amendment activities de MOS a- cooperating attorney with the center for constitutional rights and the director of Palestine legal an organization that tracks antibeach ES legislation and she says people need to remember the first amendment starts with congress shall make. No law, the founding fathers were saying the government isn't allowed to retaliate against speech. It doesn't like because today the government doesn't like speech against Israel. But what about tomorrow what will be next? If this boycott is unparalleled -able to our elected representatives. What is the next one that will be you can imagine that they don't approve of a lot of boycotts, and activism that happens. So that's really important to understand that punishing one kind of boycott really affects all of our first amendment rights as for JP the translator. In Texas last fall university offer J P a teaching job just waited to see the contract than I got it. And it had the same language and other contract. J P didn't sign another job JP couldn't take. I've definitely lost money already. I mean, I definitely am looking forward to the day that this law no longer exists, and that I can go back to contracting not only with your age, but also with other universities and other institutions around the state this past week, the ACLU attorneys went before a Texas judge for a hearing on the case to determine whether or not this anti-boycott law is constitutional. They're hoping to get a ruling soon. Julia Simon for that story. Brian house in the ACLU are also working on lawsuits challenging anti-boycott laws in Zona and Arkansas we also mentioned that Brian is part of a team representing reveal in unrelated case. Julius story was about laws that could restrict people from taking part in a boycott. But what do you do if you live some place where it's nearly impossible. The find a way around buying stuff from people you want to boycott that's next on reveal from the center for investigative reporting and PR ex. From the center for investigative reporting in PR X, this is revealed outlets. The idea of boycotting Israel didn't start in the United States. It started with Palestinians our families. We always used to try to get the local stuff food, drink, whatever. So it's another blood. Samir crazy is a thirty five year old Palestinian entrepreneur. He says this idea he was raised on boycotting Israel is not an easy thing to do when you're living in a place like his hometown Ramallah. It's a town of about thirty five thousand people in the occupied West Bank, which is controlled by both the Palestinian Authority and the Israeli military Samir walks up the narrow sidewalks of Ramallah steep hills towards a vegetable shop greasy owner out front. He points vegetables inside the store. Come on early. This is regular potato. Apple can see the low Goodson Hebrew is Riley carrots. See it's produced packed in Israel, most of the produce in this small shot comes from Israel. That's said Samir says because when Palestinians by Israeli growing cucumbers to chop into their salads. They're supporting businesses that feed the economy of the Isreaeli state in Samir's thinking, a military state snipers GPS in army of nearly two hundred thousand soldiers forces that Samir sees in his everyday life doing military raids on his hometown or winning crosses a checkpoint to leave or enter Ramallah. He remembers the first time he encountered Israeli soldiers. He was just five years old. Yes, actually was sleeping and on broke into the house and took my father go snack tonight woke up because they were really loud. No one will were no one will forget such. Such a horrible night. Samir's? Father a journalist was arrested and imprisoned for half a year. And it wasn't just as father Samir has watched his friends and relatives get detained by his Rayleigh soldiers, his whole life and his whole life. He's been looking for the right way to take stand. It wasn't until his twenties eighty founded and the idea came from an unlikely place producer, Shane Sheely takes us there. It was a chilly spring night in twenty twelve in the Palestinian town of Jericho Samir was at a party with somebody's backyard of a friend third was looked of almond trees around of and few bid these world friends, close friends, they hung out a lot sometimes won't Chinga movies, sometimes going to high into whatever they got together. The topic of conversation almost always turn to one thing starting an entirely purely Palestinian business of yard via cross our mind like opening a bug out even creating Bill in their minds giving Palestinians the option to buy homegrown products. Instead of his Rayleigh ones would be a step towards self sufficiency right now, a majority of Palestinian imports come from Israel as many resources like water and Elec. Trinity senior in his friends wanted to do something to show independence from the Israeli Konami on this one having a butterick accused a vegan fend of us. She she just lift like ten centimeters for us to lower meet, and we would like John you can't do that. With your vegetables ju to admitting on the grill. And then she went on one of those vegan rants some of. You might have heard before how healthy is this mushroom is and the fiber and the protein in this mushroom, and she was explaining to us, and we listened to her, and we will fascinated by this idea of the of this creature much Winston near saw that his vegan friends mushrooms were from Israel inspirations struck. Then we decided that this is it smush list too much. Semiarid is three friends decided they'd start the first Palestinian mushroom farm Sinai DEA, except they didn't have a clue about this creature. The mushroom Samir was in his late twenties. He had a good office job at a development NGO, but he threw himself wholeheartedly into this new idea juice, the good job to talk too much fun because I felt that I have to do it. To help me understand why he would drop almost everything to get. This business. Started Samir tells me a story from his childhood it was in the late eighties around the same time. His dad was arrested during the first Palestinian uprising or intifada against the Israeli occupation Palestinians. Collectively decided to boycott Isreaeli institutions taxes goods, they threw stones at his really delivery, trucks and military tanks. There was a spark of revolution in the air. Some year wasn't a taxi with his family on their way to a wedding. When a group of men wearing woven scarves, Kefalas halted the car to a stop us. What do smoke, and he said I smoked times times as an Israeli brand of cigarettes. The men continued with more questions. Don't you feel ashamed of yourself that you're smoking the cigarette of those who are arresting you of those what killing you'd sons and two for those who claim that you do you do not exist, and then threw away the drivers pack and handed him a new one of Palestinian made cigarettes Zeus to strange musk men. They hadn't attentive that Hans some twenty five years later Samir now saw himself as one of those kefiah wearing guys instead of cigarette alternative he'd provide mushrooms. A meet Mathurin fail. One of seniors partners at the mesh room farm offer dirt road with palm trees all around. He's wearing sweats and a few neck smoking a cigarette. About a year after that fateful barbecue. The guys found this piece of land in Jericho the same town where they came up with the idea they named the business on moral farms from the Emirates who lived on this land in ancient times, and they taught themselves how to grow mushrooms. The tour from outside Amouroux farms. Looks more like a row of white. Double wide trailers than a farm mushrooms are grown insulated rooms carefully controlled for humidity and temperature. Meudon latches a first store into a hallway and a second into a small empty room. And a third into a dark sort of mushroom hall all these separate entrances are to block outside air and to create a clean sterile environment for the mushrooms, it's so full to be in this room. It's like a big mold room. Definitely not mood says the materials for growing mushrooms aren't available in the Palestinian territories. So since they wanted to avoid Isreaeli goods the mushroom guys imported stuff from all over the world, air conditioned. For example, comes from China. The exhaust fans, for example to control the CO two levels. Come from Spain. The electric comes from France. For example Schneider. Germany not mood shines a flashlight onto flat shelves of compost stacked like bunk beds. The shelves are completely covered with ready webs of white fungus. The shape of they might see them really trippy Slyke spider nets. But it's really really really white. And it goes into all directions, and you feel like it's Infinit that it's never ending. In October twenty fourteen about half a year after they bought the piece of land. In Jericho, Samir muffed mood in their partners harvested, their first mushrooms and fraught them to market Samir says seeing the mushrooms on store shelves was like showing off his be vs. Never forget that day. I saw I saw I saw mushroom from the shop. Within two months mushrooms were flying off the shelves, a moral sold. Twenty two tons of mushrooms in the first year, then twenty five tonnes in the second. They hired twelve pickers all local women and fans posted mushroom recipes on the immoral farms Facebook page. And then in January twenty sixteen an unexpected hitch their compost, which they'd been importing from the Netherlands to derive the guys waited. And after a month Samir hired a lawyer to go to the Israeli port of dodo. Shadowed were goods from Europe come into the country Israeli customs was holding the compost there. But the lawyer couldn't figure out exactly why that isn't any photo of response of why our product is being delayed on the put some years as the compost was held for ninety days before it was released their next shipment was delayed for a hundred days and the next for nearly four months and for each day. The compost was held a moral had to pay a fine to these Rayleigh port for storage. Samir still doesn't have answers about why the Israelis held his compost. I also tried to find out why they held up the shipments. But I didn't get much further. One possibility is an order from the minister of defense regarding certain materials like fertilizers that can be used to make explosives Samir says he suspects the compost was held because thority saw his business as a threat to the Israeli mushroom industry and wanted to shut a moral down. Eventually a moral farms ran out of money they had to close their doors. Some year says he felt his heartbreak when he saw the empty mushroom hall. It is one of the sad images in my life even much more than the blood east images. But like you're looking at an empty hearts like like, a skeleton, dozens of Palestinians wrote to him and posted on the immoral Facebook page, some your read some of those messages, someone's asking can't find you mushroom. We miss you someone road. Good luck. And someone replied your mushroom as date plays in our heart. The farm was closed for about a year, but they eventually came up with the legal work around with help from a Palestinian man living in Israel because he has his really citizenship he can import the compost himself then deliver it to Jericho as an Israeli company. That was a solution. He has all the papers sending this product from this company to that company. This new method still involve some risk but immoral was able to get back on its feet again, less spring. So the guys are happy to once again be feeding mushroom loving Palestinians. Their pragmatic about compromises they have to make. Back at the farm. I point something out to move see like those labels on the walls. Have like Hebrew writing. This structure comes from Israel. This is structure. So again, we don't have a company that produces these is unfortunately in Palestine, we don't have the capacity to produce those. Yeah, tells me it's sort of impossible to completely cut out Israel a band of the day. What the electricity that we use to run? This farm comes from Israel. But again, can you substitute things or you cannot this is the issue. I ask some year where he draws the line for himself. Imagine a moving line. I feel I have the privilege to throw it to raise it as I see it. Suitable necessary Samir uses his Braley medicine, and even has guilty pleasure. Israeli snack foods like Bonda the peanut butter. Version of Cheetos, he simply can't draw a single line separating himself from the Israeli Konomi. No matter how much he may want to and one more question. Do you think of yourself as someone who is boycotting Israel? Answer that question by question shy. Okay. Can you can you into the acts in a normal way? With someone who beat you had us you on daily basis. No can't. So for me it is beyond by cutting for some year. It's about the act of creating about building a Palestinian economy rather than supporting an Israeli one. Those reporter Shane Sheely. People cod Israel, and the people who boycotted white businesses import Gibson, Mississippi, really everyone who takes part in a boycott today. They owe a debt to nineteenth century Catholic priest in rural Ireland the man who coined the word boycott and in the future. Finns against the community. You can assed him. You can isolate him you can buddy cut him. That story's coming out Wednesday, April third on this podcast. Do not miss it. I mean, you know, just go ahead and subscribe make it official. Jentzsch Aeon edited this week show by Lee producer with STAN Alcorn. Thanks, also to OJ supreme court archival audio also thanks to Ramakrishnan Maria la- hood, Emily Crosby, and Brian Casey production, manages Jeeva, Meany are sound design team is that dynamic duo J breeze. Mr. Jim Briggs of Fernando, my man, yo Arruda their helped this week from Catherine Remondo and Caitlyn bans. Our CEO is Krista Scharf Berg, Matt Thompson is our editor in chief are executive producers. 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Episode 63:  James Powell on the power of social work practice to heal from trauma

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Episode 63: James Powell on the power of social work practice to heal from trauma

"Either podcast listeners welcome to engendered the show that features stories that explore the systems practices decision policies that enable gender-based violence and oppression and the solutions to end it we use gender as the lens to understand power and oppression teach feminism and decolonize hearts and minds one story at a time and gender sponsored by candu. It spelled k. n. d. u. I t. and i'm your host terry. You're in our guest. Today is james powell assumed to be social worker and practicing therapist at the new york city counseling practice james believes that healing and self actualization result from a lifelong commitment to self-reflection constant pursuit of increasing congruency between one's values and behavior her psychotherapeutic beauty practice is rooted in buddhism twelve step philosophy chamonix spirituality humanistic psychology and psycho dynamic theory james works with clients who have experienced inst- loss interpersonal violence and addiction and today will be speaking with james about her practice and how her identity and experiences informs sir work as a practitioner helping others engaged in similar struggles journeys welcome james hi. Thank you for being on our show l. Yes i'm excited so i love to hear about how you started to become interested in social work and become a therapist. I know you're in school now. No but the journey is always almost coming to an end yeah oh man i feel like my life up to this point. It has been a about getting me here about becoming <hes> a clinician a social worker <hes> so healer is my vocation and psychotherapist as my profession so being a healer for is being expressed through that channel. I heard the call to be a healer. When i was four. I had my first spiritual experience at the age of four four and i'll never forget that moment but i it's taken <hes> talk about. I don't know twenty two years to discover what that meant <hes> and so i was a precocious child and i was very very much interested in the terek arts and spirituality and began my spiritual practice around the thirteen and at that same time i was also an academic elitist snob and i thought i would become an attorney in so i studied i had a broad education in the liberal arts and a studied history and political science and so i became involved in a relationship that lead to interpersonal personal violence also my upbringing very much groomed me to enter that relationship it was a whole other form of <hes> domestic abuse in childhood aalto and in my teenage years from mainly emotional and verbal abuse and then so i met a man who i became involved with around the lake nineteen and <hes> yeah it was a domestic violence situation and my active addiction took off around that time of my life and so when he went into treatment i kept hearing the refrain of you know you're really gifted like doc in her personally gifted and relational gifted and <hes> you have a certain emotional intelligence i think you would be an excellent therapist and this was a a course i heard sung to me my whole life really <hes> but i really genetic knowledge it because i was going to be an attorney and i was going to work at the u._n. Dan all of that and so it really took <hes> having these continuous traumas and my life and becoming the wounded healer literally my life path i would say <hes> was about getting me to become a healer <hes> and so then through my own recovery journey i started to unpack that moore discovered <hes> the meaning of that initial call when i was four and so it led me to social work i went to my therapist and i said i succumbed. I concede. I think i meant to be a therapist and she was like i'm going to tell you a secret and you will uncover it for yourself and music what's that and she was like you're in need social worker and so <hes> discovered you know the differences between social work and mental a <hes> mental health psychology and marriage and family therapist and i realized pretty emphatically yes indeed i am a social worker occur and so here i am can you share with our audience. What the differences are what gratitude towards social work yes the i would say. The cardinal difference is a bent towards social justice and really looking at problems not within people. It's loaded locating the problems within in societal structures. I didn't realize that yeah. I feel like there are some social workers that i know who do not have that systemic perspective absolutely lutely is that something that differs by each social social work grad schools is every social work grad school. Do they overtly say that. Social justice is part the mission so i would say there are some schools taught lead with that more than others hunters. A great example of the fat hunter. I think is pretty famous for its social justice orientation. I would say unfortunately i love n._y._u. And y you you is where i attend <hes>. I knew i belonged at n._y._u. They are <hes> famous for their for being a more quote unquote clinical school. I wouldn't say that that is an unfair assessment. I also don't necessarily think it's entirely negative gave either. I think you know were being heavily. Scrutinized right. Now is a school i. I think that inquiry is necessary. Sorry and hopefully they will make some changes within their systematic structure in start becoming more a little more. I leaning social leading what they have been in the past. I will say to be fair. I don't know that it's just a school issue like an institutional final issue so much as there are people that intersocial works school with the primary objective of just being psychotherapists. There's a multitude of reasons for that like me for example. It's it's choosing social workers as an easier path to become a psychotherapist rather than a psychologist. I i would have to almost start from the ground up again and so i think some people are like okay two year master program. I don't have to vote for years back to get a psychology b a. I don't have to do a masters and then a p._h._d. An order to hang a marquee outside my door art allowing me to clinically treat others so i think there's some people that have that mindset and are like okay fastest route to becoming a mental paul health clinician. Would you say that social work <hes> grad school in terms of its academics prepares the practitioners more broadly rodley for issues that come up in their practice clinical issues versus psychologists or psychiatrists yeah so i i can't. I know those other two domains as well as my own. I would say that any schooling really there's going to be broad. It's hard to fit it all in and it's hard to fit and how to be if you nominal clinician shown within two years. There's just no way to do that and to be honest and to be fair with psychology programs. Many schools advertise take actually if you want to be more clinically driven. If you want to treat people like one on one direct practice please do not apply to our school. Oh so psychology right now and i don't know how far back this can be dated. I should ask my stepdad. He is a psychologist and editor university academia but that's primarily what they went psychologist to do to stay within academia or to stay with alive and research <hes>. They're not really interested in investing in clinicians. That's really being filtered down more to marriage and family therapists social workers mental health therapists a lot of threats misconception conception for most for the lay person that when they go to an office to sit down one on one with a professional that they are a psychologist or that's that is considered like the standard most people are surprised that the majority of does mental health professionals that they're seeing our social workers yeah i thinking amongst the people who i've interviewed who've had access to clinicians a lot of them have been working with social workers because because the survivors at least if they are dealing with trauma required domestic violence expertise doesn't seem like psychologist necessarily have that it's usually it's usually falls within social workers because we're getting trained through an agency or something like that yeah and i also think i mean i don't know exactly ackley on a systems level why there's been a change as far as what professional domain is is treating wide but a feel like it's a great gift for a person to sit with a social worker because another feature that sets us apart from others is that we operate from a bio psychosocial perspective so again when we're trying to understand a problem for an individual we're looking at a person's biological call elements say college psychological elements and where they are socially located in the society that they're in <hes> also what their current contact says says and what there and what arc of their context has been really. How does that inform problem. How does that inform who they are. How they conceive of themselves i i would think from what you described that every therapist should have that approach and many do i will say my best friend who works in addiction <hes> <hes> hi alicia. If you're hearing this she it went when when we confer colleagues i have heard her talk about about the bio psychosocial and she was trained as a mental health therapist and so. I don't know if that's school provided that i'm sort of training and so they or if the treatment center she works for operates through that lens and i know there's a bunch of social workers <hes> i thought treatment center honor so i don't know how that wiggle it's way into her lexicon and then her practice but it did and so it's made me curious as to when i heard her say ah i wonder what other clinicians outside of social worker thinking that way the office that you currently practice new york city counseling on the website they talk about distinguishing between when someone might need counseling versus when somewhat might need coaching and and i'm wondering if you could talk us through the differences in help some help listener identify which is the best route for that person okay. That's a great question shen so i would say i'm a partner when i speak so if there's a delay it's just i'm an internal processor. I should say got to the listening audience. I would say for life coaching my understanding and again. I feel badly. I don't want to speak ill of any profession profession. My understanding for life coaching is that they are considered the expert and they're going to help you with tools to master her problem or to bring something into to manifest something that you're hoping to have in your life where a therapist is of. I would say a good therapist proper therapist <hes> does not consider themselves the expert but that you are the expert of your own life and that it's an egalitarian carrying relationship. It's a relationship in which you both are exploring together hand in hand <hes> what the problem is or problems problems and and what you're doing well tara tackle those problems and what maybe you're not doing so well and and what's getting in the way of that and how you both together can discover that <hes> i basically call myself as a therapist lantern turn holder. I'm not over here. Forcing someone's path <hes>. I believe they're path is already laid out. I just get the great privilege and honor to walk doc beside them and hold a lanterns that they can see their way better so as far as picking what it is that you want if you know a life coaches almost like a self help book and human form what the website says specifically is if you're happy and healthy but feel you have stalled and wanna make a change coaching variation of counseling can help establish goals and encourage you and your progress while still holding you accountable so i guess my question is says if people first of all happy and healthy so subjective and i think we as a society. We're so hard ourselves. I don't know anyone would say that. We're all happy and unhealthy. I don't know maybe there are people and fair like i personally believe that happiness juvenile pursued a whole spectrum factor feelings based on that that definition than wouldn't wouldn't be almost impossible for people to to even choose the coaching route if they are very hard on themselves they're going to gravitate towards therapy on the other hand if they have not necessarily inflated sense of self but if they have a maybe denial or avoidance of their situation and they want to think that they're happy and then they're going to be avoid avoiding therapy be as an option when they may actually need it. Yes yes you know coaching might just be more more of a palatable approach of getting the door as well and through. I don't know who we have in the office right now. That is a life coach every all of my colleagues therapist. I i do know that our office administrators eighth coach <hes> so she might be the one that is providing that service <hes> on to be honest if somebody were just coming in for life coaching. I don't even know who to refer them to in the office. Yeah i think it was just a helping to distinguish for people who are coming if it was appropriate for them to seek therapy yes yeah so what about the <hes> the the kinds of challenges that your clients tend to come to you for <hes> you have a whole list of of issues from grief and loss to interpersonal violence diction et cetera given that this podcast is about gender-based violence. I'm really interested in the clients that you're working with that have some sort of experience of violence or abuse whether it's physical emotional what's whatever and at what point did they come to you. Is it like during crisis. After crisis is at mit multiple years <hes> where they've had a chance to process it and and what are the impetus is or catalysts for for therapy in those cases okay so i would say for sure that it's after crisis where a facility that we don't we don't see clients her a high risk per se <hes> of course i have a currently i'm seeing clients that have some suicidal aviation and so there's always safety assessment and planning and <hes> but somebody who is <hes> like an act of psychosis or <hes> in crisis. <hes> does would be referred out. This is mainly a practice that somebody is had an experience encounter recently or <hes> <hes> several years ago that is stable enough to really do the exploratory work <hes> to really begin healing from that rather than just putting out the fires of like <hes>. I can't get out of bed. I don't <hes> that are really paralyzed by grief fear and panic and terror that would demand a higher level of care to their functional in their lives. They have jobs and sustain themselves so yes and like in functionality is also kind of relative to irene. I think we're all like m._i._t. Functioning but yes that they're being able to maintain a job or even if they're in a precarious place where you know they've missed a lot of work or <hes> there again. There are some suicidal aviation being expressed <hes> that doesn't necessarily connote like extreme higher level of care that's needed or warranted but just just they can still be seen in that office and get them out of more functional level these clients that are that have had these experiences are they also actively involved in relationships with people who perpetrated those incidents in their lives or are they over another words or are they trying to to manage those relationships still yes so currently i do not have any clients that are in the middle of harm okay and and by that i mean also like you may have an ex husband who is still in your life because you sure child or parrot our it who you have sporadic contact with and even on the holidays you have to you have to negotiate whether you're gonna visit and how contact or not my colleagues aches are seeing clients. That currently are in those situations personally. I don't have any clients right now that are in the middle of that so that's great and they have that do do feel feel like it makes a difference in the work that you do with them that it creates that openness to do work more freely versus being kind of stuck doc in the emotion of it yeah when we're not talking about logistics and lake day-to-day again. It's the putting out. The fires like trying to just manage okay. How how do we get to work or how do we pick up the kids from school safely when those are not being dealt with when those a situations are put to bed then we're able to do the work that deeper psycho dynamic work of lake relational patterning and what you find is effective have or what are some of the factors that contribute to healing as you say. How can you tell that there's healing yeah great question. The first thing that comes to mind is safety sense of safety within the relationship. You know how for any therapist that might be listening to the podcast m._s._a. Something really trade and it's gonna be embarrassing but the relationship really curative like that's what we say that the relationship shen ship therapeutic diet is the curative element in the room no matter what the problem is so especially when there's been interpersonal personal trauma of any kind and most trauma is interpersonal to be honest life and is inherently traumatic and our relationships tend to be the sights of trauma my in perpetrate trauma but they can also be this sites of deeper awarding healing and so the office the container <hes> the therapeutic repeater container can be an <hes> deter the healing agent itself so what has to happen for the healing to be midwifed left is safety safety first and foremost the client has to feel safe and i use the word client a lot of people use patient i think because we revere the medical michael model in this country but my clients are not sick. They're not sick people. They're not coming for some disease that i am curing them of they are quite equipped to heal themselves. I'm just helping facilitate that process so the yes oh safety because they feel unconditional positive regard for me. They feel respect for me. Trust just an inherent trust that i we see them. As a human <hes> i don't see them as a walking wounded or problem and then saco education especially when it comes to trauma psycho education is a big piece normalizing through that psycho education saying oh yes that makes sense to me. I feel like that's a constant. Refrain refrain of mine and i wish i had another but saying oh yes that makes sense to me and here's why is incredibly normalizing invalidating for person and that makes them feel quote unquote less crazy. And what kinds of shifts do you or. I guess you can't really see because you're only in a therapeutic setting but do they report back. <hes> <hes> <hes> of of your clients making changes in their lives and a shift can happen within the room. You know another a cliche thing to say. The body keeps the score and i will watch my clients breathing will hear their breathing shift within the room <hes> when when something's been viscerally validated for person you can notice their color change. They sit differently again. They breathe differently. They give you a deeper gays you. It's a bodily experience. Everything we're sensing feeling vessels soul so <hes> when when somebody says something to you that can knacks and a validates you you can't help if you're being honest and fully engaged in the room for your body to take that and process that before the mine dies and so you see it in vivo with the client like something things steadily shifted for that person in insight was gleaned and then yes hopefully that carries out than into their behavior and in their actions and they do report back in subtle. They're small changes. Were talking incremental process. Just testing things out is an act of bravery for people so they'll say yeah you you know i i decided to give my hand at twitter or not twitter tender or trying to date again or i have this one client dan who was so severely traumatized <hes> that i actually came to her home instead of coming to me i was doing home visits and and <hes> she was suicidal and she has not expressed any. I dilution over a year. She was not doing anything social social. She now is a member of a writing group goes outside of her home regularly getting haircuts. She was having trouble bathing on a regular basis so yes. These are the concrete tangible results but that took months you know of of just showing up to her just being consistent. It sounds pretty unusual for you to be made. A house calls yet. It's not actually that unusual unusual for social social workers absolutely not there's a lot of house calls that get made yeah. I would say maybe in private practice now. This was not affiliated with the place that i'm currently at ad but yeah within agencies <hes> house calls are paying and i like what you said about <hes> earlier you refer to your clients not as patients but clients because they're not sick and i think you know since you're working with a lot of clients who have trauma trauma. Um i think is misunderstood and mis characterize as an illness instead of an injury. Ya that's a beautiful saying yeah so injury and because is a lot of the survivors that we i mean most survivors actually have trauma and they're penalized penalized for their symptoms in various institutional settings that don't understand trauma who basically don't like their symptoms. That's what exactly really yeah unlike the symptoms yeah and you know really trauma is two things and we use one word to explain to things so trauma is the assault the injury rape that is that is a trauma and then trauma is also what then happens to you on a bodily psychological emotional and spiritual level that continuation of the experience <hes> from the the the initial injury and then that injury could then be aggravated by what we call secondary assaults of trauma <hes> mhm like and what that was looked like is a very like traditional <hes> classic example would be a a woman who just experienced sexual assault. Let's say a rape to be more explicit or specific so she experiences rape and then she she goes to report that rape and the police officers are very impatient with her and say some sort of victim use some sort of victim blaming language <hes> unbeknownst unbeknownst to them and then that would be secondary assault of trauma yeah and i think also as a society we don't we don't define gene <hes> abuses anything other than physical or at least it's not really in our laws and so <hes> and even if it were to change like it did in in europe in in great britain it still took years before the enforcement of coercive control as as a <hes> law yeah was was implemented effectively. I don't know that i wouldn't even use the word effectively now until apparently there was a a radio show where you know the to the co host the show where engaged in a relationship that we're was visibly observed by the british population and they were able to who identify from that kind of really personal level of having invested in these two people and their relationship but before that happened there was there's still you know even though the law was in place people didn't know how to implement it because they weren't example as publicly. Yes what you're speaking to is so true and judith herman talks about this in <hes> her seminal work trauma and recovery and how <hes> <hes> movements are like inconvenient truths that are discovered was basically what you're talking about <hes> about like oh there's coercion and their psychological manipulation lieshan and there's these other expressions of abuse that like hasn't didn't have a language before for them but we're happening when those inconvenient truths are discovered there is not a social and political system in place it a container for that to hold these inconvenient truths that they'll just go away say that they that they'll be suppressed. They'll be denied there. There's not support for that. <hes> so part of lake why i it was a there was fails acknowledgement for these other forms of abuses in large part because can you imagine how many people it'd be implicated. Every physical abuse is i guess roger than emotional verbal mental yeah yeah and so and and yet like <hes> so there's this famous his feminist on twitter. Mraz is her handle. Her name is feminist next door so i follow her and i choose you know very very large following and an influence i think in teaching feminism by responding to everyday news item <hes> <hes> <hes> and one of the things that she posted recently was why she does that work and she in her tweet briefly describe the physical violence that she suffered be she shared her quote and then she started the hashtag i a._m. One yeah <hes> and then i wrote it's also every soul crushed and dream deferred and denied and hope thank wished i am one so this ties into evan starks definition of course of control as liberty crime. You know it's not what you have done unto you but what you are <hes> keeping someone from doing for themselves and if you're engaged in a relationship where for whatever reason the protective parents i've interviewed myself included we are basically enslaved to the system and to to an abuser and and the level of daily tactics of mental anguish they create for us because of their their manipulation and coercion especially if the children are involved he will just don't understand how debilitating it is yeah and the punishment that gets exacted toward you for not following rules that you didn't even know existed yeah yeah and then for speaking out when you're when you're trying to call attention to it to to to make changes people don't like that at all young so i'm really happy that your perspective is about long-term healing <hes> versus just dealing with a problem and that you have this lens of the bio psychosocial perspective to really ground and your clients in larger systemic issues so actually i want to call your attention to the recent guideline despite the american psychological association regarding masculinity ideology if you've read the full document. It's thirty six pages very wrong but you've heard about it now. Oh you haven't okay so in twenty seven the american psychological association shen published a report about girls and women and it's was similarly lengthy lengthy <hes> an talked about the ways as in which girls and women are socialized in in their gender roles and how that impacts their mental and physical health and then so in january wary of this year the took them a long time twelve years later <hes> they published guidelines to help psychologists specifically addressing addressing issues of men and boys so i guess if you're treating your clients are men and boys which i'm actually very male heavy right now oh well. This is a great great tool. Then i'm reading from the report quote traditional masculinity ideology has been shown to limit male psychological development constrain their behavior result in general strain and gender role conflict and negatively influence mental health and physical health and the idea <hes> is <hes> that masculinity ideology is important to highlight because representative characteristics that are unhealthy for men especially especially men who are sexists violent or don't care on take care of themselves and i i also thought that it was really great that the report addresses his power and privilege and how it can be used or misused end so i just thought wow this is i mean first of all they had a tool like this already for women but now that they have it for men to what extent are people actually using it informing themselves of it and applying the principles because because because this is this speaks squarely to patriarchy and systemic issues that you were talking about the beginning and it doesn't seem like a lot of people that i work with have <hes> that i've spoken to have those discussions in their therapeutic sessions blaming for example example the violence they experience on the patriarchal structures at enable the violence that the experience <hes> yeah so the women that i see because i'm in the eh cultural milieu lieu of new york city tend to be as the kids like to say very woke and educated on patriarchy and you know the the long the short term and long-term effects of the patriarchy so they come in typically with that frame already they and they allow that to inform even how they share or the questions that they pose. I you know <hes> i find that currently in the room the women working with it can vary much feel lake aac feminist dialogue. Now i tend to i mean i have a postmodern feminist perspective that guides may work <hes> but they're bringing that <hes> in fact one of my clients came in because of the cavenaugh hearing <hes> she she was aware of of some of the sexual abuses that were made against her <hes> prior but there is one specific incident that she had that you know she labels as the gray that if it were processed through the court of law that that it might not be seen as a sexually violent act <hes> but she knows like viscerally in her bonds and and i know when she described it to me that yes there was a nonconsensual sexual moment that occurred and <hes> that started out as consensual that then and became nonconsensual and not happens and that happens frequently in the fact that you know so like she and i talk about like the the the the gray the data's how we've termed it and and amongst my girlfriends and other clients and and just women when i sit down with women and we have conversations about this. It's like if you have a moment where you're you you question like what was that. What is that the fact that like. We don't know what it is with that. In of itself has red flag that it was a violation a violation of some. I'm kind the fact that it is unclear to you as to why did it feel good anything. That's consensual. You know oh like you know and there is a difference between like a regrettable sexual act versus like what was fat. Ah versus something that's more violation in other words violation the was that as the expression for violation yes and and and so how how do these clients that you work with process these experiences do they do. They then articulate eight there. There are sort of lack of consent afterwards with these individuals or do they end the relationship or do they decide side to do better in the next relationship. How do they process. It will look i love i use the word relationship because because most of these encounters are not within relationships and the like and the and the term lay of exclusive monogamous relationship a lot of these encounters have occurred through casual dating or you know or maybe some sort of relationship was established but but not again like i wonder if like that that thought also is under girded and the fact that we're not really free as women to express ourselves sexually in that way we're not the assumptions made oh it must have been in a relationship because women don't have casual sex. No i mean you can still i. I think that there's consent can happen in any kind of situation of intimacy. You don't have to have met someone are known someone for a long time but it's just a matter of how you define what makes you comfortable and if even if you are going to meet as someone casually for the first time there could be a discussion that you're having before anything happens or you can have ongoing consent being confirmed as well and so it doesn't preclude based on how long you've known someone the opportunity that you can create yourself to reaffirm consent <hes> and so i'm wondering like do they change. They changed their behavior next time so that next time if they are going to be in that situation there active. I believe like making sure that this these are my boundaries and maybe feeling more comfortable articulating that versus the now that they've had that experience recognizing what was uncomfortable for them well then i on some level of puts the onus on them instead of really looking got the in this case it you know as a heterosexual exchange then putting the blame or at the response response responsibilities about our responsibility back on the men to not sexually assault rather than looking at women like what could i have done differently. How could i mean. How can i prevent. You know. That's going down well. I don't know when i agreed to you know this one sexual behavior. It did not mean. I agreed with this so yeah. It's up to you man to learn what ongoing consent means that it's assumed we'll because i liked this that i would want something further to happen. <hes> become systemic issue because do we teach that insect said today eight do kids. I don't even know first of all you know. Sex ed is state by state and so not all states especially in the south bible thumping states even teach that in fact they're going out of their way to prevent it from being taught and instead having abstinence education instead right so in the state of new york i mean ongoing ongoing consent <unk> extreme it's not and and people barely even know the enough is enough law for new york state for amongst college students since you know where it actually is where applies which brings me to an article that came out <hes> few days ago in the times times by a writer peggy ornstein called. It's not that men don't know what consent is and i wanna read something from the article she she says the truth is men are not the most reliable arbiters whether sex wchs was consensual <hes> and she talks she shares a lot of <hes> different anecdotes around <hes> people's experiences but also cite studies <hes> around consent and then to further says around this study study sociology study that was conducted in the university of michigan when they realized that that is the men that their actions conflicted elected with that benchmark which is benchmark of consent or lack of consent. They expanded their definition definition of consent rather other than question their conduct. Oh yeah that's how they deal with cognitive dissonance. That's how cognitive dissonance as actually like mainly. We don't change the behavior we change. Asia are definitely of what that behavior means or what it is yeah. So what do we do with that yeah. How do we have a conversation. How do we prevent. Is there a way to minimize co co. Let that sort of yeah yeah. I don't know i don't have the answer. I'm sure they're much smarter. I mean i know there are much murder people than i but may be a hey hold the answer. It's interesting. You know that you brought that article up too because i had this thought with a <hes> woman. That's <hes> that you also know mutual friend or <hes>. Maybe they're just an acquaintance of yours. I don't know but i was telling <hes> neary who you when i both know that because i don't drink i have been sober for over seven years and said an and you should see man's faces when i go on for states with them and they you know the question i feel like new york is very much alchoholic city and the end of the first question is do you want to grab a drink and yada yada yada and so sometimes. I'll just accompany them to the bar. Whatever if i'm up for it and i'm i'm like okay. Don't drink in their face changes instantly and i want to say oh. Don't worry like if i wanna sleep with you. I will like absolutely like it will happen. I'm horny. According to an i like sex and i actually really like sober sex. It's incredibly empowering because i am conscious of this choice. I'm really invested in my sexuality and my interest interest in you and it should be an obvious compliment you that i don't need to hero be trunk or not in my full alright mine too impaired to one to have sex with you but what this article is saying in my point that i'm drying. The parallel. I'm drawing from this article. Is that men on some level lake for women to be impaired that they don't act that. It's somewhat of a turn on that. They aren't consenting intake that they are getting to act out some sort of sick fantasy of power and dominance over my body and my sexuality that they're actually running from the hills for me because because they don't want to have sex with me because i am in my best judgement well speaking of being impaired there. There's another study at this article cites <unk> twenty sixteen study researchers at khan fee online resource dedicated to women's health issues <hes> and basically they ask twelve under college students and recent graduates what they would expect to happen next quote unquote quote if they went home with someone whom they met in dance with party and according to the survey men found that the actions of a quote unquote tipsy guy hi much more acceptable than a sober one meaning they let themselves off the hook for potential sexual aggression even as female assault victims who drink are blamed because they're they're also in the same study <hes> engaging in denials of responsibility <hes> when consent is withheld and so there's this like you were saying earlier cognitive dissonance where if someone is under the influence of alcohol and it's the man the aggressor it's okay but if it's the female the <hes> the assault victim kim then she's blamed ray so the double standard shows up which i guess brings me to the just the general oh promise of the article around the concept of good people can do bad things and and that because as a society we tend to label people monsters black and white you know all these celebrities who are in the news around their sexual assault and and and other kinds of behaviors that's over there and not over here and the were not able to reconcile that people can engage in bad behaviors and i would i would actually argue. Why does it have to be good. People can be gray why you know it doesn't have to be black and white where you're good or bad. You can just be gray like you. Were talking earlier. The situation could be great but the person can be gray and because of that because they're not actively moving themselves towards values news and a set of behaviors that are actually you know good then they're more likely to be drawn and let themselves accept an or create excuses excuses for their behaviors when they're in violation. Yeah humans tend to rationalize or justify their unsavory behaviors all the time. That's just is kind of human. I don't know that makes us bad. People like to your point so you think it's okay kind of jared. What is what what is your response to that. Characterization is at keeping society from better able to better able to confront these situations when they show show up because we have this very bifurcated perspective on that good or bad yeah well. I don't think i don't think any person is good or bad. I think we're complicated people. I don't like those terms even gutter bad <hes> i think we you know engage edge and more optimal healthy higher conscious higher align behaviors at times and then at times we don't i don't but how do can you reconcile. How do you make sense of people who i think the question how i am hearing the question. Is it coming down to like. It's a social control question. Like how do we regulate human behavior. How do we hold people accountable for things that they do you <hes> that are harmful in an order to hold people accountable for that in this country in in an and i am assuming it's done elsewhere. I never lived elsewhere so i don't really know but that in order to enact some some sort of like retribution payment for harm caused they have to be then be labeled bad or i don't know i don't know and why we have the labeling. Do you think that the this kind of mindset in packs the healing and recovery of the clients you work with tape or whatever mindset they have with regard to how they characterize their experiences like you're asking does does labeling person and as good or bad help a client in their healing. We're not help or not help so yeah. Oh my gosh this is this. I feel like in order to answer this. It's not going to be a cogent delivery. <hes> and it's a a dynamic question actually which demands a rather throw answer so when a client conceives it themselves themselves as good or bad. That's very unhelpful. Okay okay when a client has had a harm <unk> act against them in order for them to heal initially. It's helpful to conceive of that person is good or bad especially and a d._v._d. Situation <hes> or when there's been a sexual assault to move away from <hes> especially as as you know no working in on the sphere of domestic violence. There's a tendency to to keep going back and in order to move away. It's helpful all for that person to conceive of them as somebody who's never going to change and that behavior will just always will be persistent and so the label bad can and then be placed upon the perpetrator not can be really helpful to like okay. They're sack. They're suffering dots never changing their a terrible person curson and they're only interested in exacting harm against me so that's helpful in that way now for deeper her healing i would say which comes the leader <hes> is to look at people as complex beings and so even as a therapist and i and my work <hes> <unk> to look at a <unk> perpetrator of harm is instead of like what's wrong with you is what happened to you like what happened to you in order for you to do this to somebody else and to look at them as being a victim has most most likely they were most likely they experienced physical abuses and the forms of sexual assault or physical injury or you know mental psychological abuse emotional environment. Did you grow up and to engender the tape of human that you are so that brings me to. I don't know i do but but that brings me to to a pilot that new york city is launching with few agencies to nonprofits <hes> and according to the the powers that be. I'm not exactly sure who was involved in conceiving of this these pro the program. If it was an individual or group of agencies that came together but there was research that was done around the trauma of the edberg abuser and <hes> and then they interviewed some survivors who it was unclear if they were still in the midst of their <hes> you know of harm or potentially like have left the relationship and they were looking back from a longer term perspective <hes> but i think it was the former because a lot of them said <hes> they wanted to be able to have tangible means to work with the abuser in their our life survivors yeah yeah yeah and so the the pilot is basically having survivors and abusers and maybe children if they have children all be served by a an agency that works in intimate partner violence and in in some ways have therapy be and so some of the survivors have stated. I wish i could have therapies. I've always only had therapy then you know then we would be able to address these issues together yeah well. No i mean i'm not suggesting that at all as we were talking earlier. Are you know that that is not best practice at all clinically to have a an aggressor work with you know <hes> victimised survivor <hes> no that is not what i am saying. I what i am saying is that services need to be provided in there are services i just i don't know where they are in new york a fairly new resident from florida <hes> needed some d._v._d. Work down there but the the via the batter the abuser. They need therapies. They need resources. Being you know channel to them. <hes> for their for their healing i mean they are suffering people. They are sick people so i guess you know when i when i change i change the social construct from gender to race so you know abusers are basically exerting power and control because of their male supremacy. Let's see <hes> in that in that context of gender violence <hes> contexts so if we were to imagine a white supremacist a k. k. k. member or not see supporting person. <hes> you know being recommended therapy to deal with racism. That doesn't seem really feasible. I don't i don't i can't imagine doesn't seem feasible but i hope we live in a world one day where that's there they need i i would you know therapy. Is there to help induce. A sakic change a personality change. These people are in need of that then the violent right so it goes back to the original question we we started with is the difference between a social worker and other forms of therapists. If you're going to a psychiatrist arrest or a psychologist who doesn't have that social justice perspective in lens and they don't see systemic racism and oppression and they may actually we support this person's opinions and beliefs like you don't so then then you don't have the ability to interrogate where they came from yeah right yeah so what do you do. I don't know make everybody 'social order. I i think i think the pedagogy of the other school of thought need to change. Perhaps i i don't know well. I think that's a great place for us to conclude before we go always ask my guess the engendered questionnaire i adopted it from inside the actors studio james lipton's questionnaire so first question what is is at stake in the struggle to end gender-based violence and oppression. What's at stake to end the struggle well. I'll say what came to me. Immediately will is that that male domination power. They're going to have to be willing to give up their power the power that they hold what gives you hope <hes> basic human kindness. I see it every day in the city and final question. What can we do more of less of start or stop in the struggle to end gender-based violence. Oh man what can we do more we could start first by doing more of cultivating alternating as as for man when they're young boys we can help them cultivate their emotional literacy for one we do more of that for for sure we hindu last of training women to and rewarding them for being obsequious and submissive serve less of teaching them what how to be quote unquote polite we could. I think goes back again. We can start by helping paying. Young boys like raise their desire for help seeking and then what should we stop. I mean there are so many things to stop. <hes> what's one. That's true for me. That really speaks to my heart. We can stop trying to locate problems within the individual and start locating them in the greater context. I don't know that's so trite but that's what i want to have. Those are great. Thank you so much james. Thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure and i look forward to continuing our conversation. Thanks for listening to this episode. Soda engendered the show sponsored by candu q._n._a. Appear base knowledge platform that connects social service providers in advice community and learning you conjoined can do at q._n._a. for free at q. n. a. dot k. and d._u. I._t. dot com. I'd love to get your feedback. I can hear any questions or suggestions you have for the show. Please email us at engendered podcast a g mail dot com with your questions.

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.NET Core 3 and Beyond with Scott Hunter

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.NET Core 3 and Beyond with Scott Hunter

"Welcome back dot net. Rocks. This Carl Franklin, and this is Richard Campbell. And you know, spring has sprung, but damn it doesn't feel like it over here in the chili over there. It's it was like forty degrees this morning. Yeah. Now, it readable and sunny, but it is cold it is cold. And just can't we can't win I want. I bought this smokeless fire pit, you know, it was one of those ads that pops up in your Facebook feed for some reason, right because maybe I took pictures of my old word firepit at some point your life. And Facebook heard you now is sold. I mean. I mean, they have your basic open pit, and I would take pictures of my feet resting on it with a fire going and stuff. And so naturally, I get ads. Anyway, this thing is amazing. It's smokeless literally when it gets going. There is no smoke, but it burns hot, right? And I burned a hole through my actual deck with it because I didn't. There wasn't anything. That was good enough to insulate my deck until I got this industrial strength. You know, gridiron kind of heat disburser pets noth- about the weather. Catch you up on what I've been doing lately, I've been working on a lot of Azure stuff. Nice Cosmo's db service bus event hubs messaging building software, you it's been really really cool. And so my better no framework is directly related to what I've been doing. So roll the crazy music. Aren't do when he got this is on get hubs in Azure samples, it's an Asher functions planned switcher. So it's done function. They use Azure, durable functions to schedule the scale of function at plus Cosmo's DB two appre warmed premium plan for like four hours after the four hours. It moves the app back to the consumption plan and scales down cosmos TB. So the scenario is, you know, you have this maybe like a weekly time card processor for employees. And this is right off the right off the get a brief. Oh, while time cards might be submitted anytime during the week the bulk of the requests are made late Friday afternoon. Sure, they're all going to bomb at the same time. Right. You got it. So to ensure high performance even with large bursts of data you can use the sample code depre-, emptive scale, the service components on Friday afternoon, scaling down on Friday evenings. Nice. So you don't actually have. Log in press, the lever to get actually be scheduled this in is like we're going to get hit on this day. Dial it up then dollop back down. We've been talking about auto scaling on the show for how many years, right? Yeah. Yeah. And some things do it. But you know, it's just pretty cool. Here's just another way to do it. I love that. That's really cool. Nice. It's just now. It's just code, right? Like used to be voodoo. And now, it's like, this is the thing us, very cool. Awesome. So who's talking to us today? Mr. Campbell grabbed common show, fifteen forty three when we did back with Mr. hunter may of twenty eighteen which when we first announced dot net core three the first conversations around that. And I think this show was right around build last year. Probably right reality show right around build this funny. How that happens? Yeah. The might almost be theme emerging weird. And this comment comes from Ludwick Seon, and I hope I pronounce your name correctly. I did it with enthusiasm. Anyway. I said I'd just finished his podcast. And I love the windfarms people can reap the benefits of dot net core work because one of the parts about core. Three was we're going to have that windfarms of UPS as a windows ST K add on right? This is sadly, not the case for us web forms developers. The end of the podcast got gives advice to upgraded dot net. Core when just supporting or leave it as it is or when active Elting or porting it over there's no path for web forms applications developers except a rewrite which we can't do right? Loyal. We're revisits with Scott. Let's introduce him. And thank you so much for your comment, a copy music buys on its way to you. If you copy music, oh by right? I comment on the website at Don Iraq's dot com or on Facebook, we publish every show there. And if you comment there, and we read on the show, we'll send you copy music. Oh, by and definitely follow us on Twitter. He's at rich Campbell. I'm Carl Franklin send us a tweet. We scale it up on Thursday mornings. Cosmos db of Twitter. All right. So Scott hundred by now, probably needs no introduction. But just for those who don't know he owns dot net. He's the guy he's the director of program management on the dot net. Team at Microsoft has team builds dot net framework dot net core ASP net entity framework, manage languages, web and dot net tooling, welcome back. Scott empty to be here, whereas web forms, these days friend, what's the solution for the web forms developer who's not prepared to do a rewrite f your weapons of Oper, and you're not prepared to rewrite you'll only stay on top of framework point eight and we do have framework four point eight. That's a recent release four point eight came out s- just a few weeks ago. Actually, it's out in the wild. Now. Nice. It comes with the, you know, basically dot net frameworks ship with the latest update when operating system so it's available as as. Download windows ten whenever you're your machine. Grabs. The newest updates it'll bring framework four point eight down as well is four point eight the one that has the the core libraries at the at the bottom of the stack for performance. We did the jitter from core and back ported into dot net framework four point eight era. That's that's the primary change that. You would you would you would see from any core bits going back into Dinant framework. Ryan so fierce still on the net framework and not on dot net court this point at least he'll have some performance improvements. Yeah. You'll you'll be on some of the same tech that we you know, that we have four eight, you know, technically was released on April eighteenth, it has it will be on windows update later this summer primary things that you're gonna see in the four point eight are some accessibility improvements for windfarms WPF. Now, we've got improved Heidi support for monitors. As I said, the is with parody with the dot net. Core two point one release those the main main big things coming in. That's available for download today. And it will be available as well. In the nineteen three release of windows ten and that's coming. That's on MSG in right now. So I downloads has that available day. It's not been pushed to the general public. I think that's happen in a month. So awesome. And now you could do side by side of you have an existing web forms app. You're up at four point. Eight could you also be building new stuff on that site using core? Yeah. That that's actually what I would recommend. I would I would tell Augusta over, you know, by the way, make as if you have a perfectly working application just pouring into or is, you know, not exactly you're not going to gain a whole bunch out of doing that. So in many cases, what we tell people do is leave your old assets where they are on an edge you build new stuff bullet with core. And we did work. Let you actually let's let's get a website that requires log in we did work where we can actually share the log in Tokyo between four and and framework. So you can actually have a application that's got log on with web forms and in part of that same site serve or we do support. In would how do you explain why you're not porting web forms? So there's there's basically three refrain works that the not art on as part of the core effort web forms is one of them. WC f is another one and windows. Workflows the third one. If you look at those three frameworks, this workflow, there's actually a open source port of that on getup today. So that would actually is available up CF in nets. We actually did a full analysis of could report them and it ended up being something. We're gonna take our team about three years to do. Wow. Cheese. And when you start looking at the cost, you know, that that isn't an estimate. So we could have been wrong. Neither side could have been expensive or are or it could have been too cheap. We don't know which way it actually blows. But some of the things that really, you know, we thought if we're gonna put web forms number one. It would not have been a hundred percent compatible anyways, just because burning on core some type of different. So you wouldn't be able to like to use your web form controls that you have the day. They would have to rebuild you're not gonna lift and shift anyway, right? It's not gonna be a automatic. Switch on the second thing we want if we're gonna do that effort. Also, it's gonna run on kestrel. So it's running on the same way. So it's going to be on a different stack. So you're gonna write some of that program. Some you're gonna have some breaks there as well. Because the underlying tech is is a little different. That was the thing. I always thought about was that web forms was. Utterly tied to I s and so to be on core. You just can't be tied to I it would it would it would be broken stuff. There is actually there's a big piece of web forms of aid of owed that basically bolted IS, but you could run it in a windows container. I mean, if even if you're not on core, right? You could still take of modern software, practices and throw those windows containers and have right with more. That's what we would run right on containers on windows, and you know, you can take advantage of all the latest ways that we're building software and deploying software that that's also. But so it's not compatible on it's very expensive right on and today. You know, you're not gonna. Are you are you really going to put your old weapons application, probably not? So you're not really gaining anything. I appreciate that. And you know, it's time it's time. I mean, it's it's it's a good move for consultancy slack mind. Because, you know, the customers coming to saying, you know, help we're being left behind here we need to need to get with it. But you know, it's time it's been a long time since people have built their flagship ASAP net web yards site from an enterprise architecture perspective, you know, if you get ten years out of an app you've done just fine. I do that's two thousand two maybe two thousand five tack. It's twenty nineteen. Yeah. NBC's ten years old for crying out loud. And what we're what we would do is we we recommend customers the web warms. I would recommend recommend them to move. If you want use your skills as you move forward we'd recommend blazer because it has the programming models. Got more of a component model right than like an MVP stack. Does on. And blazers now a product, right? It's no longer an experiment. It is a product. Now, it will ships as part of the core. Three. Did you guys talk about that build? We did talk about that bills. A bunch of exciting things, you know, we talked about build. Let's let's. To a quick recap of some of the core three stuff. And then I wanna jump into and talk a little bit about what's coming after or three. Okay. So core. Three on some some stuff. We announced it build is. We announced the date. So we will release poor in September nineteen B A R see where the framework so basically. Quenching p is in July of ninety allow so we are we're just a a mother to, you know, a couple months away from the RC September will be the and we'll have dot net on. Virtual conference in September. Matt that release now I'm gonna go a little further. Okay. We think of the releases of dot net's associate at core. They have been all over the map, and it's kinda hard for a customer to know. Hey, it's that three's going gonna ship. But when is the LTS built the LTS Bill is the long-term support version of gore or three right on we also announced build, but that's going to ship in November nineteen. So, you know, if you're listening to this that means you can start playing with core in July or three and then you'll have RTM September. And if you care about the LTS that's gonna come in November. And then. As you move forward. And we think about the the next dot net's. We went actually make roadmap something that's actually easy to predict. And so we will have a RTM dot net. Core every November moving forward. So they'll be a five oh in twenty twenty there'll be Exaud in twenty twenty one seven oh two and eight. Oh, involuntary we're we're gonna follow the same pattern that like no J does of does and have a very predictable schedule that our customers. Can they'll know when the next L Theus bill's gonna drop they're gonna know when the next preview built, you're gonna drop the, you know, I've always subscribed to this sort of two Aussies of shipping software. There's the deadline version where you cut features to make the deadline, and there's the feature version where you shift dates to make the feature set why. And you guys have been on sort of a feature set model for a long time. Why switch. From a reasons I the first one is I'll give you what I hear all the time. As I run to talk to customers, they start asking me for extent support on version dot net core, and I'm like, well, why are you asking me for extend support world? We don't know in the next LTS is going to be. So we have somebody to get like six six years of support on this version of of core having that right that that that that schedule like that makes it very easy for the customer to go every other year, there's LTS. And so I know that I need to get moving, and I can see when the when the future is that that's part of it. I think other part of it is, you know, as we get to beyond on court three the the release after that we haven't yet on on the show that release I think will will be when we've actually got done or to very mature place. We have the desktops we've got the web stacks. We have the microprocessors we have. Machine learning we have a big ADA. And I'm hoping that we've gotten past all crazy huge milestones ilk. Dotting core to it brought dot net standard if Brock's or center to which was a lot of API is look at that core three it brings, you know, the desktop stacks and blazer if you look at dot net who or five because we're likely going to skip the four that's going to bring you ahead of time compile. So I think that wave we've done all the big stuff, and it should be good for our customers as well. It means the changes your year will be more incremental and leverage these huge piles of new functionality. And it makes sense to me the you hit a maturity level. Now, you can go at a steady. Cadence right. Not racing for big thing unless something disruptive comes along. And I can't imagine what that is. Well, there are disruptive things and I wouldn't say. Erupted you could still use technologies. But like, for example, you moved our Jason. Who moved my Jason. Right. I mean, the built in support now. Right. So you don't have to use Newton soft. But but the you know, the syntax still use use Newton's off the. You know, the reality is having the framework after depend on third party packaged. Even boot itself up was kind of weird. I never understood why James kingdom work for Microsoft, man. That guy's genius only works worse. Now. That's the. Out of it. That's the best answer possible is its planes. A lot actually. James James, James works in the ass but net team oddly enough because working in office would be weird. Let's let's go through the Dominic Cork three stuff real fast inlets after a little bit beyond the dot net. Core three stuff on. So, you know, thinking of that in court three obviously desktop is is is a big piece of about four three bringing the windfarms WPN frameworks to Dinant core. And you know, which gives you the same side by side support that webloggers of had the last couple of years the, but but one of the features especially I think for the desktop apps as we have it's a feature that comes in or three three wave. You'll be able to take a box instead of visual studio when you compile one of these applications, and you can say you wanna make a single XY and that single XY will obtain Donna core. And you're done is which means, you know, if you wanna go build an application, deployed crusher enterprise that you don't have to worry about deployment on core to all. Machines, you can actually make these self-contained XY. So we're going to a link the link out assemblies, and we'll give you some tech that will actually take the all the all the assets required your -plication on make them into a single Lexi single, click, install your in your ghost. That's that's the desktops and that comes MSI X installer. Now. Right. So we don't have to worry about all the problems that we've had with right? So MSI x will be a replacement for the quick wants technology MSA Xs being backward ported down to windows seven. And so whether your windows, seven or windows ten you'd be able to use x nice, hopefully by the time that that real ships real it. Also brings C sharp eight bunch of features in our aids ranges noble reference types. That's probably my favorites. That's tech to make. That huge debate around that let's let's dig into that a little bit so noble reference types, what it is is basically the flag sets. And when you set the flag, the compiler pilot will tell you if you're not putting check for for all around using that type. Right. So it enforces you to put the right knoll, no reference checks in your own. It is it is worked. I will. I will tell you that. We we tried to flip that thing on for the BC L, and it likely won't be won't won't be fully slipped onto us feature until three point one because it is a lot of work, but we looked at we were looking at twenty what's the most common exception that done coat has. And it is no no reference exceptions. And so we started asking ourselves through with compiler try to help people solve this. Once again, I probably wouldn't turn it on for my old goat. But I would turn it on for NewCo that I right? And and it is something. It's as you had to turn it on. So it is not on by default. You have to file and attribute that you want to have this feature. Oh, you know. I swear this reminds me of option explicit circa nineteen ninety four. Yeah. It's very much that invoicing that you declare your variables in this case check for Nells. But I think it will it will it will make you more of your right? I think it's a good feature. Acing streams is another one that's basically being able to return a an an innumerable from a sink function. So we've had you know is a wait for a while. But we didn't have support for it against I numerous types. Now that comes and that'll from web perspective at allow a lots of really cool scenarios dunking or no big file operations and stuff. Like that. Now, you don't have to write weird code to us that the declaration is the same as a noble value type. Right. Just the question, Mark. Yeah. Pretty cool, which express James cursive patterns. There's a whole bunch of each are features defaulted, limitations. I think this is a good time to call. Something else sharp aids will only be available in court and above. So the won't be sharpie for Stanford work right framework will not have will not have sharp aid support on and will not make C sharp eight work for gun incor- to organic or one only. Donna core three I'm Ford. Yeah. Dunakor three and above unless running a web forms apper dub, CF winds workflow, you know, brand new. I don't know who would be doing that wreck greenfield, you know, you should there's no excuse. Yeah. That's what you know. One of our going forward. Things is storage. Quickly as part of the team. We've tried to take new features important backwards in drier versions of frameworks and stuff like that. And every time we've done it. We broke stuff. So most recently when we did not stand two point zero backward that all the way to dot net framework for six to immediately broke it, and we had to we had to emergency windows patch within the first month of shipping or standard sandwich point, oh to go fix that. And so we just have a history of a scene every time we try to go take a feature, but it backwards we break stuff, and I think Colonel made great points. If you have a dub CF app that you wrote ten years ago. Are you really gonna go? Add us each are eight feature inside of that thing seem online. So why take the chance you're going to aid in new code not not in your old code? But I also think you're now basically getting that mindset of these are legacy dot net apps, and they have to be treated as such you don't insert new bits into them, right? Know our evidence we have talking to customers that they're not doing stuff like this. So I think it's going to right? But it, but is it change for us? Basically were you know, moving forward. You know, you're gonna be on the latest version of core. If you want the latest version soc- shar, that's just not that unusual right at other languages. Do. It this way. Right. You guys have been the odd docs for poor back porting new language on the old platforms. We have we have been the odd. Duck and said, it's it's also burned our customers got we're not gonna do anymore. Yeah. I think it's much much easier to say if you want the news features young the latest of core at just the way works. It's simple. But as you said, Richard it is a change in and. People have to get used to change was talk about things got three. And let's talk the onic though nets. We are bringing GOP support to framework. GOP stands for Google RPC. And it's it's great for people wanna have contract-based based Arpey RPC purring models. We're reasonably embracing Google RPC or GOP is because their support from many languages for this. Which means it's it's awesome. That you can write a GOP server in that four and you can call it from Java or node on or vice versa. If there is a somebody else has survey wrote in Java, for example, you can easily call it from dot net. So it's it's a awesome for people to want the the contract based services, and it's also great because of all the cross language interoperability that you have on. We've also got a new project type called a worker service that we have in ethnic were three as well. And the worker services of our our our toes into the microsatellite in right now. When you build a if you want to build a microscope with Dominic or it's it's kinda weird. 'cause you know, let's say you're gonna use a controller for doing API's. Well, you're gonna actually write code. This says, you know, use it use as NBC, and there is no there is no view in this in this application. So the worker service is is stripping out a lot of that stuff. So you can basically get down to the rock owed. So in this case, you'll get all the features like Jackson and you'll get all the logging. You'll get all the for project press today, but you can decide if you wanna if you just want to actually find a route and have that route directly to code or if you wanna have some code runs for a long time, for example, a worker like service, that's maybe monitoring cue or something like that. So that's going to be first class and built a framework as part of a little bit of a step up from a function or web job then. Yeah. Now. There is a get hub project of GOP for dot net. There right. The clearly in a James Newton king day Fowler. Like, they're all contributing to is this the project will. Yeah. So I should point. So the support that we have in court three we didn't just go right around GOP support. When Europe you see there already was dot net intimate Asian and so what we've decided to do as week. We are now contributing to that project. So that's why you're seeing Janki right? James funny that we mentioned him g gig is like the top contributor to is. Yes, we're contributing to that. The implementation that already had in fact on a David Fowler meets I think weekly with GOP GPC team Google, and so this open source, so we're trying to be good citizens and support that project and you'll see filed templates inside visual studio for this. It'll be baked in. The tooling and product of nice. So the final one, which is the one that kinda kick this thing off as Richard asking about blazer sa- blazer is built in the box in ethnic for three point. Oh, and people don't know that blazer let you actually write C sharp code that can run in the browser. So using what assembly you can write C sharp runs in the browser can receive that runs on the server, and the cool thing here is if you're trying to build modern spotlight application today, you would use frameworks like England, react or view. Now if you want to you can build a dot net spa application, just using C sharp. Yeah. And so that's kind of the cool thing about blazer runs all the browsers supported on all the mobile browsers. You know, unlike using the Java script now you now you can use a strong type language from up the bottom on and you can use the single tool chain top to bottom as well. And start off the the work that's in or three all of your sharp actually will run on the server, there's a signal our service. It's actually running the background and makes it although the we'll have the wet simply support as well. And that's we talk about after the break. That's that's gonna be the net. Punt core, very cool. And as Scott said, we are going to take a break for this. Very important message. This episode of dot net. Rocks is brought to you by data dog. A real time monitoring platform that unifies metrics logs and distributed request traces from your cloud, containers and orchestration software track. The health and performance of your dynamic containers, apps and services with rich visualizations and machine. 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I mean, there's been plug ins for Java. Plug ins for you know, active AC nuns all kinds of web what plug ins, but there's only been one native language. It really has been the browser. Nesterov script writing at the website era is gonna is gonna bring a real change there. Which is no longer. Are you forced to to use Java script if you wanna write an application runs in the browser? Now, you the right and see plus plus or C sharp or Java kudos to Inco think. Or well yet. You already great support across variety of languages for web. Simply and me democratize the web where no longer are you forced to use a one technology. You can use the skills that you have. I mean, I I know I saw a demo or a or presentation where Autodesk they had other debts running in browser. And I believe it was basically the native peoples plus code Autodesk's written in and they the Bill a web version of that project of that program and get it running into browser. I'm sure that webpage wasn't large at all. That's a big deal L, dude. Holy man. What what level of sharp does web semi support it? It'll be some subset of dot net. Standard point. Oh, okay. Outswing whites. Subset the web. Simply runs in the browser runs. Nebr- our human running code in the browsers might be scary. But in this case, I don't think it's scary because any of the code you run runs in the same. Box that all web applications running browser today. Meaning that you can't ripe whether simply code touches the registry can't right of simply code, which is the viruses from outside the sandbox. And so the levels compatibility of CR will be the those those the barriers better write to the file system exception tried to write to the registry except try to use a invoke. You get an exception. Is you have to run inside the context of rouser? Yeah. There is a file a PI where you can touch the disc, but it's all within the sandbox of your app. Like, you can't go out to the documents folder, for example. Exactly there. Yes. There is a there is a mechanism today where you know, a browser can actually touch the file system. But it does it in a sandbox specific place. And it is can't go out and touch the root of see Dr can only you can only create files in deal with them yourself. You can't share them while you could certainly upload the data to API, which is what they do. Yeah. And so your your compatibility will be basically within what what the bounds of that sandbox are some of the dot net will work because they would they would ally. They would try to get out of that sandboxes. So they would just throw in. But you know, it's interesting is that I don't know why you would wanna do this on the client. But there are, you know, libraries for some of these great attitudes like service bus and all of those that are core compatible. You know, and what it means is if they're dot net standard to oh that right Vel and their core. Will they will they run and webley will you've able to call them. Yeah. You you build an entire application at random web simply and went out and talked to service boss or talk to Osmo Devi or talk to sequel server, all those things those are just web API call. Yeah. I mean, that's pretty cool because that's sort of takes a little bit of a load off of the off of the server, you know, sort of like spreading spreading love. That's you mentioned that there's a there's a you were L you can go through which is try period healty, period entity, try dot net. And that's that's that's a a website. You can go to in what you actually write dot net code in Nebraska. And so the died of here is you don't have to install any tools, and and that's a funny one that we actually when we first built that website. It was running all the dot net code on the server which meant we were getting billed every time. Somebody ran some code on the server, right? And a few months a few months ago for that website to blazer because being when blazer now it's running the code in your browser. Yeah. You're not using the CPU azur. It opens up a whole lot of flexibility in your architecture now, and we saved our company since two thousand dollars a month. Right by moving the workload from the server, the client, and that's where you're gonna see web simply in blazer do a whole bunch of stuff. But I wanna talk about the the real exciting thing. Okay. Yeah. We ill. So we just we already announced it Bill dot Nic. Is ship in September. But it wouldn't be a Bill. We didn't talk about what's after. Right. So, but it's kinda go do a quick history lesson on on dot net. So in two thousand fourteen we have three nets. We had done it framework that everybody was used to we adjust introduced dot net. Core fully open source cross platform, and we had Zaman for building mobile applications, and that's using mono on the back end. We have three of these nets. And we know there's a problem. It's hard to share code across these dot net's. And so in two thousand sixteen we introduced dot net. Standard and old on standard. Really was is a untracked saying that all dot net's must implement the set of eight is called the dot net. Right. And so it made it very easy to build on simply that you wanted to share across framework dot net or or done or Zaman that that's a step on that road. Now as I look forward to beyond core three we wanna do something crazy. Why do we have to have three dot net's? We're gonna take. The the best parts of core and the best parts of mono and merging together into a single platform. And we're gonna call this. We're not sure what to call it yet. It's either gonna be called dot net score five or dot net. Five. And which you're gonna get you're gonna get right now, the Zaman application, the the mono the Zaman runs on is a nother implementation of the EC L base class, libraries right on hasn't provisioned of the base class library since we have our teams are actually supporting and building two different BCL's, though this Bill B one B C L. It shared across all the applications. Not as awesome. The modern technology has ahead of time compile on and headphone pile means that we piled up there is no Jiting with. It's basically, it's basically native code the minute from that. And they have to do that Zaman because on some of the devices they run on like devices apple doesn't let you have interpreters or jitters on those devices for security reasons. Right. Yeah. So they have to have that not. This means we're gonna bring that same AO technology into core. So you can build a. ESPN core application and compiler twisting Alexi. This the same Ailton technology is what's using web assembly for blazer. Wow. But I am super excited to have a re- converged in single platform dot net that's hordes web mobile desktop. I o t and console. It's everything's gonna use the exact same product system. So like today, for example of Zaman project uses the older MS, Bill styled projects not the new simplified. She has project that we have in Adana core applications OB it means we'll take the best of gourd mono merged together. One BCL one single tool chain and everybody gets jets and not out. We have been waiting for this day that is so awesome. Everything unifies at the same time. It's the mono version of dot net that runs blazer right because it C plus plus at its core is saying right right now, the the when running web simply we're using the AL take from mono, right? Make that run today. And so this is merging. This is the conclusion of that story to make that riot. We don't want to be running mono. We want everything to be running at four. Right. And so we're taking those parts of mono inputting them into core. It's great interesting. Everybody's sharing the best of breed to make this one. Awesome platform runs everywhere. Yeah. And to have a single unified platform fully open source fully cross platform scrape both jet for Jit will always give better performance on a long running web application. Sure, the technology will give you better start up on and potentially a smaller application, and so as a customer, you can decide to dial in when you want us. One of those, you know, either jet or using mic drop yet. It's it's funny. Because I we were as we were thinking about this internally. We were wrong this on the whiteboard. Back in November of twenty eighteen and I'll tell you tell you guys a funny story, we were all doing this on the whiteboard. We've got the Celtics on the on the call. We're talking about put this together. And we're all laughing at the the customers might go. There was always a plan to do all this. It's it feels like we were just laughing. How out it looks like a perfect plan outside? But we never thought of it for years ago. We weren't this. Mom. Sure. Well, and it's just too much to think about because you need to know so much to think everything's matured enough. Now that you kind of in a place where you can talk about what that would look like. Yeah, exactly. We never never even thought about it back then because. All the technology. Stocks were so far apart. There was it was too hard. Even think that way. Yeah. No, total totally predate that. But I also think you're gonna have more cycles now with a unified stack like this means that you can actually add more features faster because you're not back porting and making sure things synchronized and updating standard to keep the API's consistent. Like, you don't need to do a lot of that. It's just gonna happen naturally because it's one stack. Yeah. Well, the the cost evenings of not having to different teams writing BCL's is going to be a Mets just having one unified BCL team. Right. I mean, a lot of folks don't realize that you know, like when we we have a new API to dot net. Core. Then what will happen is the the design folks will go in and look at the reference source code for core. The reference source code for dot net framework on and on time. They grab code at of both right and into make that through the eye on the on the motto side and not having that duplication of efforts in having slightly different Implementation's on both sides of you know, should be a huge wins the customers it's gonna mean things like video for MAC. It's gonna run on that in four which means it's gonna run on a. I would say more proven BCL. Yeah. For running desktop sell applications. Well, it's, you know, those people are incredibly talented, that's obsequious skills. They're that they're not spending time back forty means. They can continue to prove performance. They can continue at base features. Like, it's all evidence. If we have one. Yes. So I'm pretty excited about that. That's good stuff super excited about it. But time you're also getting mature enough. Now that there's not going to be huge tracts of new features needed to be added. Right. This sort of a gradual improvement scheme now, I hope so and that's why you know, as we mentioned at the beginning of a up cast going to annual cadence, and we think platforms could be mature enough that that hopefully stuff is mainly for mental which also means my customers as well. 'cause it's easier to move from version diversion. Yep. But you're gonna get the best of all the world's too. So it's not like you don't have to get all the side by side. You get all the cross platform. Get all the app types. I'm excited. So getting back to windows desktop. What's the story with windows forms and WPF again? I mean, a no that they're dot net core. But does that mean that they can run on a MAC or Lennox desktop? No, the the desktop stacks are very very hooked to windows technologies, for example, windows forms is basically a wrapper around around eight ges the landed yet desktop is built above right? That'd be phone top of direct x right? Yeah. And and so both of these technologies are very ah wanting to windows technology. And and let's say we did port those do you really want a wind windows ninety five style looking application running on a MAC, don't you would get what you actually want out of that. So the whole idea of doing cross platform you is. Always been a challenge. Nobody's got it. Right to this day easy. It would've already been solved. But nobody's got really nails. I think if you want to build a cross platform desktop style application in your dot net. Developer are blazer technology is probably the right technology. I showed a demo few months ago retook a blazer application, and we wrapped it in electron shell into our people know co electron is the is is some of the technology that's out there to make a web application the real desktop application. You know, examples of of electron applications or visuals, THEO code, Microsoft teams slack are all examples of of these types of applications. Yeah, they don't easy to tell when you're running electron after see how much memory you have available. How many copies of Chroma my running? How many of those electron? I'm excited to you guys. Get hubs a wholly-owned subsidiary now not so much for the source control. But hey, thanks for making everything free. But now the own electron Kenya work on it. Well, as we we haven't playing with getting issues on the electron interesting. And and when you when you run a dot net blazer applications electron shell you'll get better. You do with note. Thoughts on and you get better performance as well that you do in the know GS apps on so we will likely make the electron option available to blazer developers in the future. Right. And we will keep looking at you know, at once the platform unified in the dot net five or five era. I think, you know, figuring out how to bills cross platform, you I will be something. We'll do whether it's the blazer plus on the electron shell or something else. You know customers. Do ask us about this all a whole bunch. And so it definitely spoil the area nine I do wanna circle back on camera a bit because I remember a time when Zamel ran on the MAC, we just call it, silver, light you. I don't know what you guys probably do it w PF and and all of that in the case. But if it goes open source like somebody could make an implementation here. It is all I mean, I know it's working against. Direct expert doesn't have to I with the about windfarms. It's sort of an old style thing. But Zamalek is just about anything. And there's some people I've heard rumor that are not wildly excited about HTML. No, just some people love very many would some creating this room for an alternative. I think there is saying we will continue to explore that space. Okay. As you said once we get to this next wave, and we have cycles available. We'll go look and see you know, what the right solution. It is as I said is laser electron show right Zaman foams that runs a all day all the the operating systems. I don't know the answer. Yeah. Well, I mean, what about blazer mcmeel, you're still using Tim L to do the rendering we are. But you now have a component model back into play. And all the vendors are already offering free versions, you know, sample versions of their component library. So we're back to maybe a drag drop he -bility sort of way to. To build a client, which is interesting. The question is good enough. Right. I don't think we know at this point if that's good enough. I yeah, I think wait another another cycle before we actually, you know, figure that out and here we are getting back to the reality of their using two grand plan. There is put stuff out there watch what happens adjust accordingly. Right. And you know, we all we're always our team is always watching technology space all up to see what's what's the next big thing German, but we have all the pieces. Now, do some pretty crazy stuff. I mean with the web simply stuff, you know, you could actually run Ross Blatt from you. I in the browser. You could have imagined controls that are actually running invited. Simply. Yeah. So all you need is browser on all the platforms. There's there's tons of stuff. We can do to Scott where's Phoebe net today. So dot net court three does with new version of v the language we try to make sure that as we add features to see sharp that there is a Quance in the BBC. And that if you right. Code using the latest sharp features. We wanna make sure you can still call that code from the visual his language innovating. The language is innovating basically, primarily end being able to use the same features as he sharp. The way we look at languages is. We lead with each are. And then we take that functionality make sure that you can call that code from BB and bring those those features are back to or for example, Tupelo something we did in C sharp seven, and we made sure that we had to be, you know, be code could do the same thing. So, but we don't we don't innovate on on of languages at same time. She is the leader. And these kind of the follower, right? No. There's a passionate group of people that still use the language very cool while I'm sure there'd be a few people listening who are happy to hear that. That's good. So so what's next? I mean, build his over he go golfing or. What do you do? Now. What's next is we ship Dunakor three? I mean, if this are Seattle in July and then have dot net. Confidence timber for the launch. That's really the the next thing. And then we'll get that LTS out in November. And it's called on previews of a five will start coming out. Yeah. Busy summer, though. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you guys keep on Rockin and doing what you're doing. It's amazing. What you guys are doing? Thanks. We will amazing. And I guess that's a show. We'll we'll see you next time on dot net. Rocks. Dot net. Rocks is brought to you by Franklin's net and produced by plop studios. A full service audio video post production facility, located physically in new London, Connecticut. And of course, the cloud online at P W O P dot com. Visit our website at DOT any T R O C K S dot com for RSS feeds downloads mobile, apps, comments and access to the full archives. Going back to show number one reported in September two thousand two and make sure you check out our sponsors. They keep us in business. Now, go write some code CNN time.

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Episode 4: Algorithm Shmism, Hashtags not Hash Cakes!

Life and Pencils

58:20 min | 1 year ago

Episode 4: Algorithm Shmism, Hashtags not Hash Cakes!

"Everybody and welcome to orchestrate four of the nine thousand pencils podcast but a model. Starring didn't actually get this fall. I always knew Nikki and I didn't think we'd get to ten. You know four. It's always achieve all good stuff so not do this week. Anything a good news bad news well over man this week quite literally. I have decided decided to do this. Drawing of a group of houses which is completely out of my comfort zone to begin with and added a past or background. Which I've never done before either so I thought well you know all everything in So did the puzzle background. That turned out really nicely. I was quite happy with that and then it came to join horses on. I am with the call. A Pencil and the coal pencil wouldn't stick to the paper because at filled tooth with the hostile so a nearly threw it way. And then I thought no I'm going to persevere with so I got myself Quite a stiff at paintbrush and I went over where the house is going to be. Went over to get some of the Paxton of the tooth of the paper started Coleraine with McKEN souls. Didn't work had one layer On there and I could literally move off with my finger of the peniel so it was just awful so nearly threw it away again. Went for Cup of coffee. Came back can thought Noah I'M GONNA win. I'M GONNA win. This is not going to beat me so I then and did. A layer an unsuccessful mayor mayor out of Color Pencil all over where the weather I also going to be. And then I got my zest it which have mentioned on the group actually recently Just explain to people how how donor so got this estimate which is a pencil blend. Eight tends to dissolve the wax and all the aisle in the penny. Yeah and you end up with the tooth of the paperback again We'll put linked to it on the show notes like So I've never used it before so you tried tried that and it seemed to work out of managed so fast get quite a number of layers on top of on top of that so it seems it seems to be okay. I've got past the that moment just repeal the temper throw in. I did have a sly incident in our eating. How rebel at the time and around the lid off -I disaster some of this? St went on my my join desk and a harrowing did and could it. Yeah it was pretty awful. That can actually still taste it about three days later. The best boss for the record. Don't recommend when you eat or digest any odorless mineral spirit and Snee- way he says a danger may be fatal if swallowed and we can confirm you still. I'm still have fun. I didn't drink the bottle. I just literally had a little bit of a days Baron Archie. That stuff is now. I've I've of used a few UTAH I haven't eaten it used as a dip. But don't don't let me while I was thinking about it. You Watch also flow got about that but yeah I was based perhaps the orange. I don't like an ad. It mentioned on the group that there was an incident along time ago with with a rogue piece of Orange Zest. PODCAST I don't know if the podcast is the right place to talk about. Not all agree we talk about you want to know about it then actual yeah I'll post the grades on on and you're in it. Yeah probably never never wants to discuss it ever again after us but yeah it resulted Tim among ring in the store and yeah. I didn't go back while I was I was small anyway. Let's play on the group but yeah that's been my week I'm going to be smart this week and it seems to be working well and I've not died so that's not quite as eventful a pottering alone. Work was not nothing really exciting to to report on Eve if not eaten any poison haven't even any personally no. I'm citing that for next week. Summit look forward to spread. These things started instant Christmas snapping this week. which I know I asked the upsets me is supposed to be joyous time? If you as an how wrapping. Thanks mom mom she she she makes quite a thing of it you know. She puts a Christmas film on or Chris Museum. Little drink bayless at least look at account there at the voice hump before during and after the process of wrapping presents. I really do I do. I know some people are very particularly lovey in buildings and compare it so to speak. I think I'm just I. I've said this before is a bit of an age thing. I used to pay off my mom when I was younger. Still thinks she's got bananas. She do like mad stuff like him and then the want signing liver sausage in an inner in the troll kitchen Joel does just any the old reputation and everything. But there's just got otherness just got stuff in like batteries and a truck driver you help your case is that you. You don't own the guys in that jewel of our blue tak about all that stuff Listach in inner not found on that in that So she's reading. We found appear more profit school shows in the freezer wants. Apparently that was today. We've heaping administrates. Mom Come on sit down on my brother. School shows for in in the phrase. Apparently that was to tearing gum shed shed a get out clause on that one. Oh yeah that's a good way of getting to go to go on. His show is bombing. I really thought that was so. She's now she tried to make a phone call on the remote control once. That's my favorite actually dialed well. I've got to say I'm same at Dave tried to pause life on the on the remote control quite the day at dropped something so I immediately reach for the remote control to press pause. So and then rewind it so I wouldn't have dropped it but it doesn't work you realize like we should discipline to add rewind years and years. He was trying to try to pay. Remain remain on a piece of work that you're working on after. Yes yes today. I'm drawing. I'm joined something for somebody that I can't talk about on here just in case and yet it wasn't big enough and so I tried to read on the picture that I was actually drawing not on my phone the actual often on that so many times now or just need to go get a little bit of detail in their return Pinson. That's what I was doing. I was trying to do trying to win at zoomed in on the photographs or zoom in on we picked of that could just anyway so so yes so you're weeks being full of them. I think Tommy Not that time of year when you just got so much earning head. You won't finish up with work and get that then. There was the whole I'm actually going to have to buy stuff. Radstock factor of that going on. I've got to that. Yeah just generalize. We had We had this actually bring meal Quite nicely now to beverage cake because we yeah well homemade cake this week homemade really. We've got too much time on the house as much cake. Honestly my youngest. She's doing comb. It is to call it home economics comics. They call economic. Always food isn't it. Oh Food Tech. I said through thick theta yes I basically. She's been she'd go given two weeks and I could choose whatever they wanted. Until she's my doors with Ashton insurance make cake could anything sorry for eight web. Search wants cake. I think you should have disarmed her if she hadn't if chosen Kate probably would have thought she'd been swaps hospital if she hadn't gone cake. So that's fine. But two weeks is tighten her right to try and and decide what she wanted and she wanted to do a trial run of set cake. Well that's fine so on the Friday last week she with an that's what she was to to make the Keta school on the first day. I'm emailing her at school. Saying what about this recipe. What about this? Because she still hadn't decided and I said if you don't tell me now I call gone by the ingredients and we are cutting you off boy so she finally settled on this sponge Caramel for sting Caitlyn but the thing is we made the cake on the Thursday that was joyous US trying to cook dinner and everything Anyway what to do after school you wake so it was supposed to take an hour. The instructions that administered that immunised two and half hours that cakes two and a half hours And then of course. She made the cake in the next day. Says there's a lot of exists assists with a cup of coffee which is why I have. So Yeah Oh gosh well at least for US tweets all day Ed for weeks and I've coffees well on today. I have a cream home now. That's something I've not heard of. Yes my now policies for cream on. I'm having a beer in eighties revival because also got because I'm being inclusive even have also got a costume cream cheese. I've not acoustically view. I Mike Grandad used to bring me customers to stay with him and my mum on the weekends sometimes. My mom was a party girl so should be a standard Manana. Grand data needs to wake me up early because he was out with a couple of take not in get straight tapered off. But he's waiting young. The Cup of tea and the play and Eastern Harbour Costa Cream on it and a digestive notable. Oh Aw that's so nice you bought that let me about you did that. Yes so talking of talking of kids. I've got set my son to interview after school today and it's going to be. We initially went through weekend. CAFFEY assistant in this. This local at furniture shop is quite posh furniture sharp. So He's quite a nice clientele so you know it's it's quite quite nice. Cafes or by steps on works there on a temporary basis just while he's between between university courses so we we talk about about my son getting a job so he's applied and he's got an interview today and he spoke to the lady yesterday so it's looking promising but apparently it's not the job that I've actually applied for because that's been filled internally. It's a different job and it's temporary until Christmas. And he says I've got to be good organizing. Listen people and good with children. Oh is he going to be for Christmas to think I think he might be an l.. Health does not gonNA stories. Oh so I've told him I've told him that the end of the interview if she actually but only if she actually says okay the job is yours that needs to sit there completely deadpan and say so. Do I get an Elf costume. The only if she gives him the job if she doesn't if she says she'll come from like to talk about so so I can't wait to find. That will happen exciting day really I suddenly off but I actually update on the next day or in the group or something like that as to what happens it might not be among the kids in the car. We're going to be so devastated. He's not else now. That's my most favorite Chris film altitude seniors. Who they to to Father Christmas album I saw on thing the actual subjects so I want to talk about instagram really and I think I think we should dedicate this podcast to instagram? Because I think that is the the most kind of scary secretive thing really facebook. I think he's it's quite self explanatory having a facebook group Although do yeah ultimate booty. Talk about Sestina facebook group and running facebook groups in in our various podcasts. I think instagram is a bit of an enigma. To allow folk and I used to think you just post a nice picture and people will like it puts a lot more than they are and you know. I think I heard somewhere that I was listening. Some I was reading some fan and they were talking about Ashtec strategies now I actually guilty of posting the pretty pictures and putting some hash tags on their the. I've seen other people use and thing you know the that's all right I'll do but actually I've taken. I've taken this advice that I'm about to impact on your and it's actually really increase my reach huge slick and it's it's quite anyway so far and then I thought well should I share it so the idea of of hashtags and that you know some new. No this Nikki. But a Hashtag really is like the index of a nonfiction book. So if you're looking at a book of animals you your contents at the beginning we'll have what chapter in the book and at the back the index will have it all been spectacle data and it will be Kaus am mentioned on page one five twenty fifty two dogs mentioned on so it will have every subject that's ever mentioned in the book in that so if you're interested in one one subject is that so hashtags ally that so you'll creating an index fear posts off. Yeah and so. That's that's kind of what the Ribao and I think of them. A little bit like a Google search. What would people search Sean Google to find your picture in this instance? So if you're post a picture of a house do not GonNa Post. You know. They're not going to do a search fan dog art. That's the thing see people probably would search stuff like that own group that look what it is is that you will never gonna come on that the front page because there's so much competition that Hashtag all that yes sir. That's why so so rather yeah. So so he's kind of like getting to the top of Google with website and like like Nikki said he wouldn't get to the top of a fair Google if you did a search for an Dog Art our hearts aren't chances are your website will be on page. Five hundred people searching never well being optimistic okay. Five hundred so yeah people would never scroll down to that many pages to eventually reach your website and it just wouldn't happen for you so he best to SM- makes small. One is not a word but make your niche a little bit smaller so if you live in Manchester Chester dog are Manchester. Are Spaniel Arts Manchester Awesome things slightly more specific so that your light let you more slightly to reach the top of Google and that's what you'll hash tags are all about real So I was just GonNa say but you know equally really. You need to make sure that you're not Nosov so much to the point where you're using a Hashtag that no one's ever GonNa look for so you can see your you know you can search the Hashtag yourself before you use them to see. How popular is you're looking for something that's got you? The following has got a a good amount of post-summit but isn't absolutely flooded. If there's hardly any pass this point using anyway because you know you speak into into an empty room In his millions of posts again. You're GONNA get buried. You're looking for something this relatively used I But is not so awfully flooded to the point when you aren't just swallowed up what why read was an. I know you've much down. Hey before that the the optimum number of Hashtags for any post is between fifteen and twenty and you can actually get thirty and you can do your And you can get ten into your stories as well which is something that I haven't used. I've never used Hashtag Zima story but I will start doing now So yeah so the strategy did you really what they were saying. Is that if you've got less than ten thousand followers and this is a guide. This isn't a rule if you forgot less than ten thousand followers was then you want most of your hash talks to fairly small so mainly between five hundred and five thousand and then have a few hashtags that between in five thousand one hundred thousand. I reach off followers and then a couple that a huge just to get your your reach out there am am and you will find that you come close to. Your aim is to get into the top ten now. I've got to say I post something earlier on this week and I I feel. This is a win book. My post was it was basically made painting and of had a bit of a double as we know we've painted in not that great i. I'll admit that so. I posted this same this post and my hashtags that I used. Let me find them. So my first Hashtag was a bit of Jo Kwon and it said Hashtag full of pain because a rumor jeans Mahar was completely enclosed. Ms Shoes are ruined. Indiana ruined the carpet as well which have seemed to have recovered but my first Hashtag was Hashtag full of pain. I was the top Hashtag full of pain now far arm you still there. I'm still have just checked up in the south of that so that's a win for me. Nobody's probably rented it. NOPE ally to to be so. This is a win for me. The ones that didn't come close ball the idea is to use that spread of the reach of hashtags. So that you know e- starting starting to get a little bit of traction am so it is it is slightly different to go in the factor When you ongoing going into an account on the front page that's you know what you're trying to get on the front page follow circular? Kate works once you get there. You'll you'll you'll remain there all the time that you're working to keep yourself that's where you stay whereas on instagram. You've got older competition so as everybody else. So yeah you know you can't use Hashtag. Could this absolute used by four million people now. Some of those filming people will sit on the top but it will only be a matter of minutes. Because what's happening is this is getting buried straightway because someone else uses the Hashtag then someone else someone else someone else's constantly pushing it down if you happen to post a time when a lot of people online looking at it can hashtag within your post still seen but you know again you might sit on the on the UK it gets split you get through the recent posts and then you get top hosts know talk. Price will remain yeah wife well and they have gathered some momentum got some likes thanks. A lot of it's luck more than judgment. You know when it comes to things like that so like you said you do spread yourself out a little bit you know. It's always worth us. Yeah yeah some of those hashtags winners. Millions of people aren't sauce. I can't use Matale because you know who's to say that you know you won't get lucky with it. So it's always worth mustered only keep an eye hashtag. Oh and you should have if you're using instagram. Absolute hundred sent. You should be using it as a business account Which is free? So if you if you haven't got your instagram account set took business account you must do that and you can actually see how you hashtags during three parts. So you actually click on your profile page and if you click on one of your posts that you can see underneath it. Have you insights insights on the on the individual post and if you call now it will bring up those insights for that specific posts. Now you can push that paid up and bring more information down the bottom now right down the bottom. It will tell you your reach for that post and it also tell you the reach from from your hash tags so the particular out isn't it from hashtags him from Home is from your followers from in the field. Yeah so yeah so from Hashtag. I mean I'm looking at post I've got here it's abandoned post picked on here so from Hashtags I've got five hundred seventy one so that's five hundred. Seventeen and people are impressions. That looked that. Take you to post Purely from hashtags that I've used so You know if you're if you're looking hashtags and deciding which ones teams which ones work that look post and see what particular post performed well in terms of the Hashtags I mean you can stop truly down. What what shame that? You can't see which it's not as successful as Pacific that I mean you know you could minimize the amount of Hashtag Slightly by something. I don't tend to use the full amount and to be honest with you I get I get better Reach the fewer hashtags. If I if I go up to the higher end into a therapy my post don't there as well as if I stick sir manned about the Dane sometimes even lower interest. I am so. Don't feel that you have that as he's not because because instagram that algorithm their famous algorithm thinks that. You're you're being quite definite about where this post six. Because maybe if he put thirty on that I think you know. She's just trying every old thing. They sold algorithm Saturday's dusk. Ask just thinking. She's just she's just a chancer I think our she's spreading thinly or what it is is I think when I use less Nice Hashtag on more specific about where we want them to shell office more thought that goes into it from my end when I use more Hashtag so I turned to connor right return hashtags views before so I will often use the prompt. If I'm in a rush start writing at Hashtag going to bring up once I've previously because it brings up for you or make suggestions at once similar so sometimes bash service the onion a nice Hashtag Stan of the patch tax of potentially quite flooded. But when I actually sit down and deer like a little bit of research and and keep some notes and and have some hashtags put by the quite specific and then I better than I do that. I don't tend to put a hallowed of the mattress. You know Perth you you know. I think it's just a case of this more thor. And what's to let him for precise Ayso targeted plewa anyway. This thought that goes into it. I'm not carrying. It could be him staring out the window. I told you I am these point. I'll be live associated in the draw any day. Now the last said what about you live with the bizarre. I told you. Put the captain in the fridge the other day clearly clearly right so so so back doc to the the instagram thing is not all about hash tags and also about content and engagement and how to increase increase engagement. From what you type and this again goes back to the thing where it's not just a case of in a pretty picture. Here's my current whip. Hope you like it Hashtag heart. It's it's not you know you've got to maybe look at what your customers are doing clean on instagram. See what who. They're following what they engage with you know what if they liked and you can do that through instagram. You can see what what specific people pull dawn in the last week so you can go into one of your followers. See what they've done going to one of your competitors and see what they've done in the past week who who were they talking to you who you know. Who are they charge him with? What content do they like more than others and do they like what sorts of photographs do they like? One one tape. Actually I. I heard the other day was when you're taking photographs for Instagram is always passed on on. I'm saying always actually generally speak it because it's a grid actually better to take photographs straight on so that when it's on your grid it looks better than if it's an angle. I've not tried that but it's something to think about really I just hear these things and you think he's not right. I'm not sure and who I mentioned it. So Yeah so look at. What content they they're reacting to what kind of images what kind of taxed at a looking for advice and you know maybe you could start including some of that information on your your posts and asking open questions makes such a difference rather than say in? Do you like it. Hope you like what do you like about it. Do you prefer you know some things drawn in this way. Why is that? It's the whole who. Why where everyone from Wednesday encouraging people to to give an opinion? I mean people like to get an opinion but you know quite often. Don't give then also just the fact that you're encouraging foraging. That makes a difference and that's kind of how it works you know with Instagram is. It's all about the interactions that you make with people whether that's you you try dancing on their posts all them interacting on yours. It's just all about engagement. And Fundamentally is absolute prime motivator swapping any content in front of anybody definitely an on that subject. I'm always always better to to create your posts. Organically else you post in them. You can put drafts in there. And he put rafts in instagram. You can't you can't say the drafting and Scam Ya. Yeah but never schedule. Bjornsson doesn't use any software any sketching. Somehow this is it's called social media so so the idea is that it wants you to be social it. It wants you to post something receive replies and respond to those replies so if your scheduling some thin it's thinking well you're not even here so all those those people who were replying just leaving their reply into the in Isa Relay and maybe you reply six ten hours later when you come back from whatever you do so now he wants you to be there and be social and interact with other members to encourage the other members to be there So you know so try not scheduling and also try not to copy and paste going back. Hashtags don't copy and paste your hashtags onto each post. I I've been guilty if this because he's so much quicker I've got them in my nose and my phone I copy and paste a whole bundle of hashtags onto each post and then at a few specific the ones at the end you are used to do this and that again is just not. He's not what he wants. Basically anything is a shark or anything that saves time hi on Instagram is basically about his. But it won't she on there all the time and it will give you rewards in reach and comments UNSA engagement if you spend time on that site because that seat's ultimate aim is now well. It's awesome does were firstly to deliver the content thinks thank. You won't say I wouldn't necessarily guys farsight once on the you know all the time I think it does. He wants you to reply in once. She's have have conversation to be real engagement. Yeah I mean because that's what Islam in in this not really serving a purpose otherwise but in times of talk ah the the I don't use any scheduling software specifically merely because some of the software can come across to instagram spammy. SPAMMY in terms of just the way that it's been built and viruses and things like that the software the things. That is blacklisted access. Did so if you're using it. It cannot cheaper babbit flag up to instagram. The actual process behind. So then you can't schedule with instagram because instagram the the theory behind it and the reason it was in the first place and originally designed twist your out with your phone and you take a snack or something and you upload it straight talk and it's not your life at that time so it's it's the here and now so that's why all these things are valuable I wouldn't however say not to use things like scheduling software facebook me face because schedule Heist and the reason for that is because you can. You can stay are scheduled to go out eight o'clock tomorrow morning because my audience is on nine o'clock in the morning I'll be there towards the questions. Why don't have AIDS for the morning morning time to what post however I do have that time now so I wouldn't say no to to authorized software scheduling? Because you around like you say you know to be there when it goes out to answer questions so if around them as good but I wouldn't I wouldn't rule out out using that because I think sometimes we're busy if you can get a few things down Special schedule now or instagram. The grand combined some posts and just keep them in a notepad and then and then put them on there or something like that something here just yet they do like top draft that you you click. Okay they really rather than the scheduling. I think I think the effort everywhere of read it does it doesn't like scheduling on facebook. But if you have to you have to. And I've tried and I've done and I've gotta say my reach hasn't been any less but then I do find it difficult deciding what's good and what's bad because some of my post go down better than others different times of day so oh yeah time days in the post I mean we have to talk to her again. And that's the thing I mean. If you're into if you're in marked in oil intimate very interested in it then you can run so so many tests from the time of day you post to your an audience itself with their male female age I fall into. There's so many different ways that you can go about it but at the end of the day. Do you really want to think so. You know what you want is to build a nice audience audience and be able to interact with them without getting overly involved in all of you know the background of what works. What doesn't you can so you can go as deep as you want? But I think ultimately what people want is just to know roughly what to do in the way without getting totally. Lina sleepwalk down. It's like this achieve recently where people constantly being told consistencies K.. If you park on instagram regularly so if you post three four times a week an all of a sudden you you can't anymore or you don't want anymore and you're posting wants week now. The fear of God is in here. Because you know if you suddenly day that you're GONNA lose follow this you probably will. And so he follows. It's nothing to do with the fact that instagram is penalizing. Air inscribed doesn't go into account and who followed followers because she can't be bothered to post anymore. If you post all the time you will actually get more followers because you'll reaching out to people new people with your hashtags if you're doing it nor people was here personally. More people will follow a but you will also get. Automated follows people using software. A Nice follow is that encourage people to follow back because a lot of people if they get any follower would just automatically follow back then when you follow back these ultimatesoftware within on follow you follow. You might certainly go on there one day and you've gone from having one hundred followers and you've certainly talked doc down to ninety two and you think what have I done. Why lost eight follows? Well I had an I ad nightmare. The last week I was just on a thousand followers and just done the post going. Your note never do that and looks again. It was like nine hundred ninety so I thought well I'll just leave here. I'll just leave it until the next day and haven't posted anything not day because I don't post every day because I just think sometimes real-life takes takes over and that's just how it is so I didn't post anything that day next day I went on the wonder from Baku to one thousand because I didn't get followers from absolutely nothing. No Jason Nine hundred eight around the thousands of ages. It was up down down down put. He's probably really liked that all the way through every number. But because we're on the thousand mark it was so obvious so I'm glad I didn't post it so I waited till I was about a thousand and didn't before because I think I spy some people might have seen that and come on. Let's get they said. Yeah I mean a lot of people Get quiet down about that. Because they'll be on Friday so the chances are these. Thanks so you get followed because you've been followed by a robot effectively automated software so these people that are interesting stuff anyway. Eight literally is is just a number doesn't mean anything and secondly sometimes People have in their heads if they follow too many people they themselves don't look popular enough so that's so true often in every every time you speak now bar when I was on about two hundred followers is when I had two hundred followers I was following about four hundred people. I when I was looking at everybody else all these popular follow that. Yeah you think it's so I did star big on follow campaign about nine and then I thought well I actually want to see the storm so we followed some of them are. You should just follow in the people that you know you interested But yeah people have in their heads you know. Oh I'm GonNa much better on instagram. If you know I've got one thousand followers on I'm only following twenty people not true. Yeah actually doesn't it right Sheila Bair ever ask now. Can't use that word. Let me think these fish dad. Yeah just yeah. I'm guilty following a lot. Less people than paper. The following May and a low of is tying thing it's time here keeping sit down and actually really pay attention attention to the people that follow me me and really stuff and spend some time and it's always a time thing it's not because I'm being completely ignorant. It really is just a time thing but don't feel that you have to go in and follow. How people because Oh my goodness she can't be seen to be following thousand people? You know when you've only got two hundred followers absolute rubbish rubbish. You actually coming coming across this a much more sociable. Nice passing the more people that follow the more the more you know rich things aeroplane southeast. So that's absolutely crowd but people with sometimes again. We'll go through their instagram. Because I think can all I'm I'm following ex people and I'm not seeing half of the stuff that I want to see because because I'm following too many people so I'm seeing posts from people. I'm not interested in post I am interested in. I'm not saying thoughts following so people working guys frontier. Oh let us see Mike few flies firstly again. Don't worry about it if they found footage because I think we're not really that keen on your stuff then all that stuff it doesn't matter yeah. They were never going to buy anyway so well. Most neither one of you is enriching each other's lives in any way. So this upset you know point just let it go no highpoint worrying about your best off in a small number of quality owner of just people that just just like scroll likes grows lights go scroll and no benefit to anybody but you I I want to follow some of these people who started following me because the follows have ramped up in the last US maybe six six months like that they have ramped up. And I'm the same I don't get chance what daunted just automatically follow them. Because I don't don't want full of stuff that I don't WanNa say so I do need to let yourself sit down and actually think actually that's the best really good. I'm GONNA follow those and it's as only then when you find new people isn't it and you know if you feel that you're not seeing posts senior time line of the people that you really want city with. That's probably it down to you know engaging because if you make a point of liking that person's heist if you make a point of commenting on that person's post instagram goes. Oh Oh okay so all the people you follow. These are the ones that you liked device because you like them and you'll commented on them so therefore all prioritize on all show them to you so you will see much more of the things that you want to see if you make the effort and engage with them and on the flip side of that when when you encourage people to engage with you or your purse lay within see your posts in their time and that is what you rainfall. That's very very true very true days. Yeah I've always wish with instagram really that you could have different sections of people in the so. I don't know how we're GONNA explain this now. We should not sausage bars. You know how you have a group of close friends on their that. You want to see everything the Post and then others but I suppose I can comment in does actually create that. The top ten does if you want to say all I always always whenever you post them thing I think yeah I always said because I always of scenes fact with your stocking stuffer because you know I get on with your why so. Yeah I believe you might be my top funnel face prime. But you know initiatives are required worse. I always always yeah. I can't get away from your job literally in space. When are you going to buy west painting done? And then I'm thinking you know we'll never know well. I think this might be the one this might the woman. I get Princeton realistic on a fly out the door honest you do know that once you go down the whole group of easing pastels. Economic factor is a painting so a painter as well as like a touring Pennsylvania which is paintings and drawings. Look doc even more Hashtag as three performances more hash taxi and start losing pastor easing the pain as well. That's a whole new world tagging so that that kind of concludes my instagram. And Bet on the podcast. Pass it on what you've actually talked about your your conduct. Yes I think people my my the underlying point is the people people get very very wound up with the with the outwith. What does the algorithm main? What does it mean to me? That and the problem is is so many people who spout nonsense about the algorithm and they don't know what they're talking about so misinformation goes out then uh-huh oh that's the Alabama gets blamed on that. All you really need to know is that you put out good quality content content and that you engage with people and that you let people know how to find it by easing your categories scenarios your hashtags and it's pretty much. It's as simple as not you turn really need to get into any more INS and outs. And how an algorithm is an algorithm is purely to keep good good quality content towards the top and spammers and stuff out so really and truly instagram's algorithm is there just to bring in quality to to what he thinks that you as a consumer. I want to say. So that's what it is whole. Go and what you want to say is really down to you dictate. What what what like? What you comment on what you going to? Yeah and I think by by spending time on other people's accounts rather than your own Caserne. Paul is one on May of doing that. Yeah because I think the temptation is to just look at your likes and your comments on your your pictures but actually stopped doing our start looking at all the people's accounts and other people's pictures and unhatched eggs the older people use and be more outward in your approach rather than immoral looking. And then you'll find the things that you like on the air and and you'll see them more often in a New York it so much more support if you actually start to build builds quality relationships with people on your posts were certainly start to fly. It follows will go up because you know if you if you go and comment on someone else's Post and they engaged back with you as you should be doing on your own and you start to build up a bit of relationship. Well then the next time they post them. Think you'll probably see it because you've engaged with so then you promptly comment again. Then the poster will get to know you the other commented now a couple of times may make the effort and have a look at your staff start comment on your was. They might have quite big following so in that respect that help you because they they might start promoting charity. And that's just how it's all about building relationships on it. You know it takes time it does take time so you know you. They shouldn't get help for the sets sex and it will be a time Seinfield SOC media but don't don't get consumed that spend all day every day. You could begin at any time when you post. Get Your power start this quality coppola way down Every single die and do do you know when you're working on anything type pictures waymo catches thing you ever considered using take a short video of yourself working on something and just thank you for days when you're working on especially this time of year. So many people working on commissions that seek post anything. That's a real problem. Yeah so you have to go to resources stuff that you think you know for like rainy days and don't be afraid of every posting something are you drew or painted Six months ago and say oh it's an Oldie but a good thought share this with year while I'm working on such and such And a completely different audience will see that picture. Churn okay some people might see it. Actually chances are it might be reaching a completely different audience. Six months later six down the lion and the you know the other day a apart from growing your your followers and growing your business There's there's actually a human side to all this as well. The other day I I was looking through instagram and I saw this this picture this painting of a heart and it was absolutely jurist amazing. Just sent shivers. I chivas down Maria loose off up and I thought you know I'm going to say something and I commented on it instead. It was just it just made me feel something really the hot to comment and it was absolutely fantastic blah blah blah and the artists came back to me and this artist has something like. Oh Gosh I. I don't know how many followers bought huge and had not fully enough effort known how huge they were a probably wouldn't have commented because you think oh well they won't notice my Karma. Oh Man I'm just over and over and you know they won't care. They got that many comments they won't mind and actually about ten or fifteen minutes later. This chap came back to me and he says you know what you've actually just. I made my day said Jill. podcast absolutely no. He said you know you've absolutely made my day. Thank you so much because I'd actually said something genuinely felt. Yeah about his picture. I didn't yeah I didn't say oh. Yeah that's great and it's tempting to do that just some time time just to say that you set saw but I actually said something quite particular about his charon and spots of blue or something like that it will actually drew the drew the attention attention an elevated stay thought you know business aside. It was quite a nice exchange real because you knew said something really nice. This made him feel really nice. which in turn this into food is I know we all feel really lovely as name so anyway so this week? I've been looking on instagram. For people who I actually look on there and found a couple of people the lady who I have an followed for quite a little bit. Actually she's called Jayme Braithwaite and she's quite local to me actually of not matter but I'm going to a preview as Johnny's been stalking her so she put out because because I wanted to do harm. Tom Is because I actually just admire work so much. It's Fab Eliana finished off follower. And she's on instagram and her instagram name. Is Jane Braith so so J. A. N. E. B. R. A.. I T. H. R.. Word have a look at that. I've got a bit harsh but this week. And so she she's just one of the whistler oils. Oh yes she says yeah owners he's just Fab- and I think that's why I started doing the background. They sweet because of how you saved asks me finish up inspired you with my terrible somebody. Yes so relief. Yeah it was you and not Yup. I can say that I'm slightly superior to James Works most most likely me those little white flowers the way we're not going to speak to so now she's a peaceful peaceful whack. Yeah Bet I still one of those. Things are still haven't Joulwan yet. I will do my line of the phone structure and then yeah the structure of the face. When I see the pictures because I always look because they're so Muslim Muslin Short hair shown. I think that that always kind of strikes me as looking like a really interesting thing to have go out but Hosni's and it went on me once in my skin. What really peculiar was experienced citing really left me? It's the same with you. Could draw all the though with in safety. That's I don't know maybe. All snot was a horse snow and incident. Oh my God the incident but I I drew a bowl a few a few months ago and my latest house looks like a bull with along Matt really whereas whereas weirdly my bullet like APPs to for quite a while it is all out. Yeah all comes so so yes yeah so who you spotted or have you got anything that you share with us. I have got something I want to share with you. And I'm coming away F- Minister I think we've been a bit instagram overloaded this week so I recommend in a couple of APPS. Now I haven't S- bad but you know I haven't actually done my research in terms of whether they're infallible on Apple I assume they all are attentive similar. You know what she talk okay so so the first one is called forest so this is valuable on Google play store and it's basically it's like it encourages you to set period of time and work so rather than getting distracted with things like social media. Picking up you find go on facebook or instagram. Because you finds beat it would encourage it. It is available so basically the gist of it is is that you have tree so you can set your timer for however long as a minimum of ten minutes but then you can conservatorium of habit. Also if he wants to do a solid hour block you'll tree will grow now. If you get distracted you come away. You pick your favorite right or what if you didn't see us. You're going to kill your tray so I used. They saw billy. I've used a long time ago because I've caught little cloudiness to it and it says I condone lawyer because awesome in my power to I want you kind of get that feeling. I don't WanNa kill my tree so actually kind of because you're nurturing. Those Animals Touch Watch not twenty thirty years ago. This time it got to keep him alive. Yes same mentality as a human you know you think I've got this little tree. It's the oil may in a if I don't carry on with my work and I- distract myself with facebook or instagram likes or whatever else is distracting. But it just it's good. It's good practice because I think you start to do that. On a regular basis you automatically become more focused. It's so easy to get distracted with `electronic things nowadays. An what and I think. Sometimes you ain't getting head down and grow a trait a same time. Does nothing nothing bad about that. Will everyone on should go trey and I wonder if it works. I've been I've been told that Well I don't know if it's my it's my age kind of after about hip so so I sit too long drawn and it's really really not doing my hip God at all and I've been told by a physio that they recommend that you move every twenty not minutes while you join now. I find that really difficult because I draw with kind of fourteen hour sessions. You know dogs loose. It can this possibly midway mid ground that we could achieve their so. I'm wondering whether it would set me. An alarm to kind of you know. Remind me to go and do something something. I could just literally set myself alarm. I'm just recognized. Well you were trained for twenty minutes. I mean if you because if you're moving for your the benefits of health then that's that's not a bad thing but the point of growing the tray and setting yourself the times that within that time that you set yourself you don't let you so get distracted so you know it's fine if you've gotta get out and stretch your legs or whatever Then that's fine but the point is that you don't suddenly go on a tangent because someone sent you a facebook messier from an answering that and by the time you've done not even tougher now because something else is caught you bryden something else. You know an commitment star kids coming back from school or or whatever else. He's hunting knife and then you think well I've just to bend Allah Ella. Yeah so it's kind of good for that and the other one which I think he's good. Is that cool. Time squared So basically with this up you punch in and punch out so you tweet like is if you're writing at work so it's very good for being table to Keep track of the time spent on the piece the working on which in turn. especially if you're just starting out gives you a good idea of where your price range needs to be so what you can ultimately do is set yourself at hourly rate. So let's say for example that you wanted to charge an hourly rate in your mind what you're aiming for initially as ten pounds and our just say that if you put that as you're right in ten pounds and our that every time you start to work on your piece he punched in and then every time you stop you punch how so. By the time you finish this piece it will tell you exactly. Okay how long that has taken you and what that peace would affect because so if that's taking you twenty hours that will effectively. Typically you would have found two hundred pounds so That's what he's saying. So if you can spend twenty is on something You WanNa earn two hundred pounds. That's what your price point needs to be. However if you spend twenty hours on something Forty hours on something. You price points now. Dropped five pounds hours. It gives you. Oh good idea of what your in terms of what you're charged into the crowd and you can have as many as we feel working on three pieces you can have right. Client one client inclined inclined three. But I think it just gives you a really good idea how you're spending your time. It's like you punch in punch and in conjunction with the other APP. You know if you punch in your charging effectively ten pounds down your head yet. You spent an hour funny about on facebook again. He into your time so I think this just the one I can say here is called. Squared time management. And it's a yellow and black line is that this is the most as cool tying squads squads on the play store but I think there's various different apps in similar. Yeah the one on on my iphone the nearest one can gaze. SQUARED SQUAD DASH time management. And you can't different projects in this. I said I'll say equivalent one. Yes so that's that's worth mentioning. Yes so what score goes. I'm GonNa tell ya now see that I met working for fifty an hour. which is the downside of it? I mean you might be a horrifying than just think. Oh but again you know you can then so think about helping you partisan an unfair quite justified. You can tie mounts with in client inside. This is how long a piece traits you on average Yom before you pitch mon.. You can see that my hourly rate isn't actually extortionate. Yeah yeah that's very true very well I think that kind of brings to to a hose. Relation ice yes. It's been quite informative this week. I think we've actually partaken in some information. Wacky found good information. How many people last week on the back of that podcast went out bought? John Tasks awesome the greenwalds loads. I know I know a best sales jumped up and they don't even know wh happened yet today. Jumped are increasingly saying a massive sweat. Wet home trying to keep up with demand down. I have no idea that they will lie. Inflated and it's changed my life to be so yeah so anyway I think now is a good time to say. Please come and follow us. Were on our facebook group and life and pencils those podcast FACEBOOK obviously we've got an instagram group. Also price page profile dog group page pages. Just the word. I'm looking for a life pencils and I'm you can find focused on on either of those places to be linked to them and I can come to our website. The life and Pencils Dakota. UK It is. It is on proud of US thank you. I usually say I'm GonNa do it at seven you can also subscribe. Connie can subscribe teams. You can subscribe by stitches spotify a and all of your favorite platforms for listening to podcasts. Lovely right thank you very much listening guys and we'll see you next time. 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The Right to Boycott (rebroadcast)

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50:46 min | 1 year ago

The Right to Boycott (rebroadcast)

"<music> from the center for investigative reporting n._p._r. X. this is reveal. I'm ellison when democratic congresswoman ilhan omar and rashida to leave wanted to go to israel recently president trump urged israel to keep them out. Here's congresswoman this woman to leave. It is unfortunate that prime minister netanyahu has apparently taken a page out of trump's book and even direction from trump to deny this opportunity to lead had planned to visit her grandmother in the west bank. Israel eventually said she could make that trip but she turned it down. Saying the conditions of the offer world presses part the reason for the flareup the congresswoman support a movement called beady s. which stands for boycott divestment sanctions supporters say is a non violent protests protests to pressure the israeli government about its treatment of the palestinian people those who opposed d._d._s. believe it's goal is to eliminate israel as a the jewish state even though they're both democrats and republicans who oppose trump is casting criticism of israel as a partisan issue and i think any jewish bush people that vote for a democrat i think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or greatest loyalty long before these controversies made their way to president president trump's twitter feed john lucre known as j p was losing workover j. p. who uses the pronoun va. Is a translator and poet from houston houston texas last year curator at the university of houston art museum got in touch with them about translating spanish essay into english and he asked me it'll be willing to do it and i said yes. The curator email j. p. the contract so i got home i was reading through it and i found the the claus it's caused number thirty three no boycotts contractor certifies and verifies that it one does not boycott israel and two will not boycott israel during the term of this agreement so under this clause j p couldn't take the job because they boycotts bahamas. It's made by a company with ties is to the israeli military refusing to buy this hamas his j._p.'s way of supporting b._b._s. j._p. Didn't sign the contract as a poet. Ah i think very hard about how i put words together and what words i put out into the world and what those mean and that was a definite combination of words that i it was now willing to sign my name in that meant j._p. Didn't get the job. The contract clause comes from a twenty seventeen texas law. It says contractors who give money from the state cannot boycott israel today at least seventeen states have laws or executive orders like the one j._p. Ran into for j._p. This isn't just an issue of whether it's right or wrong to boycott israel it goes to a more fundamental american right so something like the first amendment. It feels a little bit distant to me but i definitely thought as i was reading that i know that i have a right to hold my own beliefs undisciplined like an infringement on that right. Today we ask who has the right to boycott and who doesn't his reporter julia simon with the story we. I brought you back in march if you don't understand the thinking behind texas's anti b._b._s. law a good place to start is in washington d._c. At the conference where some of the boycott movements biggest critics gather every year this is apec the american israel israel public affairs committee. A group founded to represent the state of israel in america. This year's conference started with a giant singalong thousands of people waving their hands back and forth after the music the speeches started and there was a theme i deeply opposed the boycott divestment and sanctions movement the wrong to boycott israel beatty. S is pure unadulterated racism. Even before israel came into existence boycotts were used as a weapon of those who opposed the very existence of the jewish state a newark mayor bill de blasio vice president mike pence republican senator jim risch and democratic senator charles schumer senator schumer humor went on to explain that in his view the current boycotts of israel are part of a long history from the moment israel drew first breath until all this very moment israel has long been threatened by boycott movements and i will always stand with israel against those who seek to do her harm by boycott loyd got or by any other means back in texas j._p. The translator her does recognize the complexity of the issue how that gets sorted through and how people within israel and palestine decide to deal with that. I don't know all the answers there but i do know that those specific claims of the movement are important to me important enough to do more than simply refusing using to sign the contract j._p. Joined a lawsuit brought by the a._c._l._u. challenging the texas law without knowing it they were joining a legal legal fight about the right to boycott that goes back to a tiny town in mississippi during the civil rights movement. Yes we met in the movement. Yes we will come when the struggle. This is caroline james miller they grew up in port gibson mississippi a. b. met in the youth group of end of lacey pe- seventeen think what are you talking about. As teenagers caroline james used to hang out at a local mall chop called eddie leaves. It was their spot. They would come put a nickel. The jukebox plays curtis mayfield. Get a chili dog. Famous hotdogs and malts eddie lease was a safe haven for them. Even though the town was majority black most of the stores were white owned and openly discriminated against black people especially the piggly wiggly supermarket caroline remembers having to enter at the back of the store as a little kid the just the way about it was. I didn't even realize it was the front door. Oh <music> damn big wingman a rude wytheville. This is charles evers brother of the famous civil rights leader mega evers who was assassinated acid in the sixties. Charles is ninety six now after his brother was killed. He became the head of the mississippi w._c. P import gibson in nineteen sixty six everything was segregated not just the stores and besides voter drives and lawsuits one of the main tactics n. w. c. p. had to fight. Jim crow was boycotts while the blackfoot wor and mutual we bought him and slept more call they. It should be fair down so this was part of the movement was a movement charles evers and the n. w. c. p. leadership wanted wanted more job opportunities an end to segregation and just basic respect for the black community so they sent a letter to the local white leadership it when the white people didn't respond the black community began a boycott so in port gibson how successful was the boycott most of the black folk participating in need yet and then we begin to alone black owned businesses black people were going to places like eddie lease or even to neighbouring towns for groceries but not not to wait on stores which started shutting down and then the white businesses did something that the black residents didn't expect in nineteen sixty-nine the local hardware store the piggly-wiggly and many of the white businesses sued the n._w._c. and more than one hundred individual black residents of the county suan us for asking for basic courtesies and made no sense to me. That's caroline from the n. W. c. p. youth group. It didn't make sense to her husband james either and a warning to listeners. There's an offensive term in this next part that that some might not want to hear. How can you sue somebody 'cause they. Don't spend their money until staw when you call them nigger you don't ultimately basically spent the white businesses were asking for millions of dollars lost from the boycott and they wanted the boycott to stop the case went to the mississippi courts and they sided with the white businesses the n. double a._c._p. Appeal and the case went on for thirteen years in nineteen eighty two. They finally ended up here. We will hear arguments next in n._a._a._c._p. Against clayborn hardware the supreme court of the united states. It's mr cutler. I think you may proceed whenever you're ready. Attorney lloyd cutler stepped up. He was representing the end up lacey pe- mr chief justice listen man please the court. He started by going way back to the boston tea party. This nation was born out out of a series of colonial boycotts against british merchants in support of petitions to the british king and parliament for the redress of grievances he said the founding inning father's loved boycotts and when they adopted the first amendment we submit they could not possibly have intended to exclude from its protection very means of petition that they themselves had employed cutler argued that from the beginning the founders founders were talking about using the power of the pocket book to express political views and may change it is so wrapped into our history but we do not see how the first amendment could be ready to the country and the supreme court agreed in an eight to zero decision thurgood marshall recused himself because he used to represent present then w. c. p. The court said the right to peaceful boycott is protected by the first amendment enderle c._p._a. And the black community of port gibson had one caroline and james miller are helped organize a victory party but not at least it is would we needed to grab celebrate. They wanted something a little stronger than involved. It'd been allowed to clean do most jack thirty six years later caroline's now a first grade teacher james works with juvenile's in the justice system and to be closer closer to their grandkids. They now live near dallas texas asked them if they'd heard of texas anti-boycott law they haven't so so. I tell them about the law about j._p. Damned is like an instant replay. It was the same thing happening forgives him. I mean how can that be constitutional. I mean come on well. There are definitely people who do think it's constitutional. I'm eugene jim controversy. He's a professor of constitutional law. George mason university scalia school law eugene's israeli american. He also works for an israeli think tank and like a lot of people. I met at the apec conference. He sees the boycott divestment and sanctions movement as discriminatory towards israelis so for the past last few years he's been working on a legal way to combat. These boycotts eugene's actually been called the intellectual architect of america's antibody s. laws because he's been helping elected officials all around the country. Make sure they're laws passed. A sort of free speech smell test. I help advise vise them on different paths to take safe path to follow and what do you mean by safe. Widely acceptable doesn't raise any constitutional questions but <unk> as james miller said there are actually a lot of constitutional questions and some of those questions go right back to port gibson mississippi and the supreme court case claiborne hardware versus and w. c. P. first of all curb on hardware involved a consumer boycott. That's the example of you by sabra hummus so none of the state laws involved consumer boycotts eugene saying all these recent anti-boycott laws around america. They don't affect consumers. They affect companies companies and j p the translator eugene says is a company a sole proprietorship a one person translation business according to you jean jay pecan boycott israel as a consumer till the cows come home but if jay piece one person company boycott sabra hamas. The state won't contract with that company now in practice. A poet has a limited ability. A translator has a very limited ability providing translation services to actually be boycotting israel. I bring up the fact that j._p. Can't get paid so doesn't the law have an impact on them. There's a difference between personal and corporate capacity. What but i can tell you is these laws do not apply individuals. They apply to businesses. That's not exactly right. This is brian house one of the lawyers on the a._c._l._u. Are you team representing j._p. Brian says under texas law and most state laws j. p. the consumer versus j. p. the company. It's all the same name. The law says that there is not stink tion between the sole proprietor as a business entity and the sole proprietor as an individual when a sober pride or signs a form saying that as a contractor they will not participate in boycotts of israel what they're certifying that it is that neither as an individual nor as a business will they participate in a boycott of israel at all for the duration of the contract back so i think this notion that you can clearly separate a contractor's operations as a business entity versus as an individual. I don't think the law supports that some states around the u._s. are now changing changing their anti-boycott laws so that they don't affect sole proprietorships like j. p. an only affect companies with more than ten people but brian says that even ed those companies still have the right to boycott the supreme court has been extremely clear for several decades that businesses have the exact same first amendment rights as individuals brian an eugene don't just disagree on the details the laws but on the very reason for being of laws that ban boycotts against israel eugene chain c._c.'s laws as a way to protect israelis and jews from discrimination and he notes that e._d._s. singles out israel when it doesn't treat other nations the same way why do people who say they care about human rights. Why do they only target israel and it's a fair inference that this is a proxy for anti-semitism ryan says yes anti-semitism is a problem and he says the government can make laws to curb some types of discrimination for example with public public accommodation laws. The government can say to a hotel. You must rent rooms to israeli people. You can't exclude them but if individuals are boycotting outing is really owned hotels as a means of political expression brian says the government can't police that as the nineteen eighty two clayborn hardware case showed the government can't take away the right to use boycotts as a means of political speech and brian says the government definitely can't single out one type of boycotting in its loss. The fact that the government in these cases is only targeting boycotts of israel and not even attempting to prevent discrimination in any other circumstance. It's gives rise to a strong influence at the government's. Real interest is not in preventing discrimination but rather in suppressing speech that it doesn't like in july the house overwhelmingly passed resolution condemning the movement to boycott israel three hundred and ninety eight to seventeen meanwhile the senate passed stronger measure sponsored by senator marco rubio allowing the states to continue their anti anti boycott laws. I asked several lawmakers including senator rubio to comment for this story they all declined didn't get back to me but there is a video oh of senator rubio defending bill on the senate floor. This doesn't in any way prevent anyone from participating boycotting divesting from israel. All it says is that if you do your clients in the form of state or local governments can boycott or divest you in return free speech is a two way street but thima headed headed a civil rights and liberties attorney says free speech actually isn't a two way street not misses the entire purpose of the first amendment which is to protect us against government interference in our first amendment activities demos cooperating attorney with the center for constitutional rights and the director of palestine legal an organization that tracks antibeach e._s. legislation and she says people need to remember the first amendment starts with with congress shall make no law the founding fathers were saying the government isn't allowed to retaliate against speech. It doesn't like because today. The government doesn't like speech against israel. What about tomorrow what will be next if this boycott is unpalatable to our elected elected representatives. What is the next one that will be. You can imagine that they don't approve of a lot of boycotts and activism that happens so that's really really important to understand that punishing one kind of boycott really affect all of our first amendment rights as for j. p. the translator in texas last fall. A university offered them a teaching job. I just waited to see the contract and i got it and it had the same language and other contract j._p. Could sign nine another job. They couldn't take. I've definitely lost money already. I mean i definitely am looking forward to the day that this law no longer exists and that i i can go back to contracting not only with your age but also with other universities and other institutions around the state in march. The a._c._l._u. took j._p.'s case before before a federal judge in texas. The judge ruled that the anti-boycott law is unconstitutional. The state is appealing that decision julius simon for that story brian house in the a._c._l._u. are also working on lawsuits challenging anti-boycott laws in arizona and arkansas. We should also mention that. Brian is part of a team representing reveal veal in an unrelated case. Julius story was about laws that could restrict people from taking part in a boycott but what do you do if you live some place where it's nearly impossible to find a way around buying stuff from people you wanna boycott. That's next on reveal from the the center for investigative reporting n._p._r. Ex from the center for investigative again reporting n._p._r. X. This reveal i'm outlets in the idea of boycotting israel didn't start in the united states. It started the palestinians our families. We always used to try to get the local stuff vegetables food drink. Whatever so it's org blood. Samir crazy is a thirty five year old palestinian entrepreneur. He says this idea he was raised on. Boycotting israel is not an easy thing they do. When you're living in a place like his home town ramallah. It's a town of about thirty five thousand people in the occupied west bank which is controlled by both the palestinian authority and the israeli military. Samir walks up the narrow sidewalks of ramallah steep hills towards the vegetable shop greasy owner out front points vegetables ables inside the store. Come bizarre israeli. This israeli with eight to apple can see the logos and hebrew is rarely carrots as you see. It's produced unpacked in israel. Most of the produce in this small shot comes from israel that sucked said samir says because when palestinians is by israeli growing cucumbers to chop into their salads they're supporting businesses that feed the economy of the israeli state in samir's thinking a military state connivers gps an army of nearly two hundred thousand soldiers forces that samir sees in his everyday life during military raids on his hometown or winning crosses crosses checkpoint to leave or enter ramallah. He remembers the first time he encountered israeli soldiers. He was just five years old. Yes actually i was sleeping and israeli army broke into the house and then they took my father costs. Naturally i woke up because they were really loud. I know what were no. One will forget get such a such a horrible night smears father. A journalist was arrested and imprisoned for half a year and it wasn't just as father. Samir has watched his friends and relatives get detained by israeli soldiers his whole life and his whole life. He's been looking for the right way to take a stand. It wasn't insult founded and the idea came from an unlikely place producer. Shane sheely takes us there. It was a chilly spring night in twenty twelve in the palestinian town of jericho. Samir was at a party with somebody's you were at the backyard. Word of a friend. Third was lots of almond trees around us and few bids. He's were old friends close friends. They hung out a lot. Sometimes watching movies sometimes going for the high end whenever they got together the topic of conversation almost always turn to one thing thank starting an entirely purely palestinian business idea crossed our mind like opening a bar or even creating embiid in their minds giving palestinians the option to buy homegrown products instead of israeli ones would be a step towards self sufficiency right now now a majority of palestinian imports come from israel as do many resources like water and electricity senior and his friends wanted to do something into show independence from the israeli economy on this one night having a barbeque used a vegan fend of us she she just left left like ten centimeters for us to lower meet and we would like you can't do that with your vegetables due to stump admitting anything on the grill and then she went on one of those vegan rents some of you might have heard before how healthy is this mushroom is and the fiber and the protein in this mushroom and she was explaining to us and we listened to her and we were fascinated by this idea of the some of this creature when samir saw that his vegan friends mushrooms were from israel inspirations struck then we decided did that this is it swish listen to mushroom severe and his three friends decided start the first palestinian mushroom farm sign idea except they didn't have a clue about this creature the mushroom. Samir was in his late twenties. He had a good office job development ngo she oh but he threw himself wholeheartedly into this new idea juice could the good job to talk among because filled it. I do it <music> to help me understand why he would drop almost everything to get this business started. Samir tells me a story from his childhood. It was in the late eighties around the same time. His dad was arrested during the first palestinian uprising or intifada against against the israeli occupation palestinians collectively decided to boycott israeli institutions taxes goods. They threw stones at israeli delivery trucks and military tanks. There was a spark of revolution in the air some year. There was a taxi with his family on their way to a wedding when a group of men wearing woven scarves called keffiyehs halted the car to a stop the us the taxi driver ever. What do you smoke and he said i smoke times times an israeli brand of cigarettes. The men continued with more questions. Don't you feel ashamed of yourself that you're smoking the cigarette of those who are arresting you one of those were killing youth sons and due to for those who claimed that dude you do not exist then threw away the drivers pack and handed him a new one of palestinian made cigarettes strange musk men. They hadn't attentive hands some twenty-five years leader. Samir no saw himself as one of those kefiah wearing guys instead of cigarette alternative. He'd provide mushrooms <music>. I meet mahmoud fail one of some years partners at the mushroom farm off a dirt road with palm trees all around he's wearing sweats and a v-neck smoking a cigarette about a year after that fateful oh barbecue the guys found this piece of land in jericho the same town where they came up with the idea they named the business a moral farms from the emirates who lived on this land in ancient times and they taught themselves how to grow mushrooms from outside amouroux wpro farms looks more like a rove white double wide trailers than a farm mushrooms are grown and insulated rooms carefully controlled for humidity. The and temperature mahmoodn latches a first store into a hallway and a second into a small empty room and a third into a dark sort of mushroom hall. All these separate entrances are to block outside air and to create a clean sterile environment for the mushrooms. It's so cool to be in this room. It's like a big mold room. Definitely not mood says the materials for growing mushrooms aren't available in the palestinian austin and territories so since they wanted to avoid israeli goods mushroom guys imported stuff from all over the world air conditioned for example pill comes from china the exhaust fans for example to control the c o two levels come from spain the electric <hes> comes from france for example schneider and germany not mood shines a flashlight onto flat shelves of compost act like bunk beds. The shelves are completely covered with threaten webs of white fungus like <hes> the shape of food they might see them really trippy slyke <hes> spider spider net but it's really really really <hes> white and it goes into all directions and you feel like it's it's infinite that it's never ending in october twenty fourteen about half the year after they. They bought the piece of land in jericho. Samir mahmoud in their partners harvest their first mushrooms and brought them to market. Samir says sing. The mushrooms on store shelves was like showing off his babies. I'll never forget that day. I saw i saw i saw mushroom shop. I did it for two months. Mushrooms were flying off the shelves. A moral sold twenty two tons of mushrooms in the first year then twenty five five tons in the second they hired twelve pickers all local women and fans posted mushroom recipes immoral farms facebook page and then in january twenty sixteen in unexpected hitch their compost which they'd been importing from the netherlands and didn't arrive. The guys waited and after a month. Samir hired a lawyer to go to the israeli. Port showed were goods from europe. Come into the country. Israeli customs was holding the compost there but the lawyer couldn't figure out exactly why that isn't any former response of why our product is being delayed on the put. Samir says the compost was held for ninety days. Before it was released their next shipment was delayed for a hundred days and the next for nearly four months and for each day the compost was held immoral had to pay a fine to these really port for storage. Some years still doesn't have answers about why the israelis held his compost. I also tried to find out why they held up the shipments but i didn't get much further. One possibility is an order from the minister of defense regarding certain materials like fertilizers that can be used to make explosives. Samir says he suspects the compost was held because authorities saw his business as a threat to the israeli mushroom industry and wanted to shut down eventually. Immoral farms ran out of money honey. They had to close their doors. Samir says he felt his heartbreak. When he saw the empty mushroom hall it is one of the saddest images sir my life even much more than the bloodiest images but like you're looking at an empty hearts. I like a skeleton dozens. Thousands of palestinians wrote to him and posted on the immoral facebook page. Samir read some of those messages someone's asking i can't find your mushroom awesome. We miss you someone good luck and someone replied mushroom as great plays in our heart. The farm was closed for about a year but they eventually came up with illegal workaround with help from a palestinian man living in israel because he it has israeli citizenship he can import the compost himself then deliver it to jericho as an israeli company. That was a solution. He has all the papers that i'm sending this product from this company to that company. This new method still involves some risk but a moral was able to get back on its feet again in the spring of twenty eighteen though the guys are happy to once again be feeding mushroom loving palestinians their pragmatic about compromises. They have to make back at the farm. I point something nothing out mahmoud though i see like those labels on the walls have like hebrew writing on disk structure comes from israel this structure so again we don't have company that produces these panels unfortunately in palestine. We don't have the capacity to produce. Those yeah mood tells me it's sort of impossible to completely cut out israel at the end of the day what they electricity that we use to run. This farm comes from israel but again. Can you substitute things or you cannot. This is the issue. I asked him year where he draws the line for himself. You could imagine a moving line. I feel i have the privilege to throw it on to raise it as they see it suitable and necessary. Samir uses uses israeli medicine and even has guilty pleasure. Israeli snack foods like bomba the peanut butter version of cheetos. He simply can't draw a single line in separating himself from the israeli economy no matter how much he may want to end one more question <hes> do you think of yourself as someone who is boycotting israel. Gonna answer that question by question okay can you can you interacts in the normal way with someone who beat you. Harass us you on daily basis. No you can't so for me. It's it is beyond boycotting for samir. It's about the act of creating about building a palestinian economy rather than supporting an israeli one <music> things reported shane chilly for that story <music> aw whether they know it or not samir in anyone who engages boycott owes a debt to ireland and to the protests that gave boycotting its name. That's that's coming up on reveal from the center for investigative reporting and p. r. x. from the center for investigative reporting n._p._r. X. This is revealed. I'm l. Listen as we will working on the show about boycotts we started to wonder under where the word boycott actually comes from so we looked into it and it turns out it goes back to one man charles cunningham boycott aka okay a captain boycott. He was an englishman living in ireland in late eighteen hundreds when all of ireland was ruled by england and the irish countryside was divided fight it in a way that was almost medieval you had poor peasants who lived off the land and then you had rich landlords who owned the land captain boycott was right in the middle reveal reporters. Stan alcorn has his story which we originally ran back in march. Captain boycott was barely a captain his his parents bought him a spot in the british army and he quit after just two years at age twenty <music> spent the rest of his life farming horse racing and doing the job that would make him famous collecting rent as the agent for a land board wound two thousand acres on ireland's west coast. I wanted to see see that land the stone houses and boggy fields for myself but my boss wouldn't pay for the plane ticket so instead. I started calling people people who live there. I found a lot of them know the story of captain boycott as part of their family history. Hi it's elaine knocked-on ancestors were farmers who rent boycott. My grandmother used to say they were hard times but nobody knew measure because everyone was very equal back then. If you were running short medical day you knew you could go to the neighbor and you'd be given milk in exchange. You give back eggs the following day everybody. Everybody wants to do the same thing for everybody else. They just want a fair rent. What seemed fair to farmers dependent on the harvest and in eighteen eighteen seventy nine the potato crop was the worst in a decade there were reports of starvation and a fear that the great famine that killed one out of every ten the people in ireland. Just a generation earlier was about to repeat itself so captain boycotts tenants got together and send a message to his mansion but lough mask house asking him to lower the rent by twenty five percent boycott said no and he had the local process server. That's basically weekly. The official court messenger start serving them with addiction papers. He went house to house with an armed guard of eighteen police officers what seemed to have kicked kicked it off was when they tried to deliver an did it delivered eviction notice to and a widow according to the local paper the widow told them you'll not serve my house house. As long as i have life in my body. The story goes that she had a red flag him. Once you raise the red flag all the women and children came out from behind the bushes and basically just started pelton the process server would stones and kind of drove him the whole way back to our house the next day a crowd of maybe one hundred men women and children swarmed a hill near boycotts house. It looked like things were about to get violent and from my understanding i think fathered john molly kept control unless if anyone could control the crowd it was father john john o'malley the parish priest whose influence you can see in the rough limestone church built where today father petty gilligan has taken his place on the wall next to the altar. There's a small bronze plaque for father john o'malley simply it would be forever remembered the faithful priests and defender of his people's rights in very hard and trying times and i say this <hes> that was certainly the mood of the people you know. Can you compare <hes> the role that that he played in the community not at that time with the role that you play now would be to contrast rather than compare. I think while father gilligan speaks gently about the building community father o'malley gave fiery speeches warning that landlords wanted to annihilate the irish people he was the local leader of a political movement sweeping sweeping the irish countryside called the land league that saw the fight for the rights of irish farmers as the first battle a war for irish independence but he you didn't want it to be an actual war around that time requires a number of incidents where the agents of landlords who were trying to collect rent mortared so he tried to persuade them to make their protests to make peacefully any specific civic protest tactic in mind when that had just been laid out in a speech by the president of the land league charles stewart are now his speech was reenacted in one thousand nine forty-seven movie captain boycott at the speeches climax parnell asked the crowd if a landlord addicts a farmer. What should you do you if another farmer helps landlord by taking over the evicted man's lease. I think i heard somebody say shoot him that that is a much better way and more christian and charitable way you must shunned him shunned him on the roadside when you meet him in the seats of a town in the shop on the fair lean in the marketplace and even in the house of working by isolating increments kind of old east you do this. You may depend upon it. There will be no men so loss to shame at astute dare to face cold accusing finger of public scorn scorn and shannon. These were the weapons of the land league and father o'malley helped convince his parish to use them on captain boycott. Apparently he'd be walking down the street. I mean be shown elaine knocked-on again. No one spoke to him. The postman refused to deliver his post every racing person participation in like he was completely left on his own down there. The blacksmith wouldn't shoe horses that baker wouldn't make him bread read not only did. The farmers refused to pay him rent for their land. They wouldn't do any work on captain boycotts farm which left him with acres of potatoes and turnips that were about to rod in the ground until in a plot twist in the movie version that also really happened boycott wrote a letter to the times of london refound more sympathetic english audience extraordinarily humphry nicole boycott out in the west his neighbor's body as boycott story spread fifty british loyalists from northern ireland volunteered to come help with the harvest and the british government chipped in with an armed guard of hundreds of british soldiers to contended attended the landlord would fight to the last of the sweat reporters came from all across europe to watch them dig up captain boycotts tubers the so-called so called boycott relief expedition worked but it was expensive. It made no sense like it's reported to have cost five thousand five hundred years. Worth of crop. Boycott couldn't afford another harvest like that so when the army left so did he the shining it worked. It was quite simple. Selective as captain boycott fled the word boycott was just getting started credit for coining it typically goes to two men father john o'malley and james redpath an american journalist according to local lore or it happened a short muddy walk from father o'malley's church in a house. That's now a stone. Ruin covered likened ivy stoop down. When it's joe grainy was born in this house that was his mother and his grandmother and great grandmother used to be the kitchen and he believes a great aunt pissed rented a room to father o'malley. Look right sitting here in this room inside that windows for qualified traumatic would sleep because that was the bedroom when i was a child where my grandfather and grandmother would sleep and lester that was a little pantry callers where we left a bag of flour all wet colts autzen slipped into the cetera et cetera and if you look there's one stolen there at an angle was a lovely little turn on us that is more likely to stolen. There were sitting at the a father used. The word in joe's telling father o'malley was talking to the journalist about another landlord a man named brown. Let's get brown. Let's do what they did to boycott. Let's do a biker job on this brown. That's what we're gonna do. We're going to buy coffee brown. That's the stolen that there were most likely sitting executive. Give the fireplace in their boycott was catchy and father o'malley saw that by putting it in the newspaper james redpath that journalists could help it catch john all across the country like nineteenth century hashtag he saw him as the modern day twitter then facebook where i can get our message pitch for this little village to the world a year later there had been more than one thousand recorded cases of of boycotting in ireland with tenant farmers winning millions of pounds in lower rents your after that the word boycott was in the dictionary in the u._s. and it was being used in france. The netherlands germany and russia in the place of the word was born. People are proud of this history but not everyone. I asked local producer dear mcintyre to knock on the door of captain boycotts old mansion lou. There is an american radio the station the current occupant is the grandson of the man who moved in after captain boycott left is names john daly. He's nearly ninety and he has a dissenting view on boycott. The say he was a good for a fellow. I have to say you're the first person person i've ever met who said that. He seems to be a nice guy because this story that he wants to school in the first team to teachers bank customers a bad man he wanted to monet from the sun heaver. This is nothing but he was vague. Kearns of the teacher could have anyone to do to john. Daly captain boycott was just doing his job working for the landlord landlord. Was it fair what happened to where they wouldn't fear but if you like say teams just the way it was and we're taking over the mob mob lov headache this view that boycotts are threat to the rule of law was there from the beginning britain's prime minister at the time called boycotting intimidation for the purposes of destroying the private liberty of choice by fear of ruin than starvation and it wasn't just the english the first judicial opinion in the u._s. To use the word boycott 1887 upheld a charge of criminal conspiracy for passing out leaflets for a boycott against publishing company. The judge called the boycott a power outside of law and said that like the taste of human blood by tigers it creates an unimpeachable appetite for more part of why the original irish boycotters are mostly seen as heroes today okay and not what thirsty tigers is that mob law eventually became actual law a few decades later ireland won its independence and the new irish state took farmland away from absentee landlords and gave it to their old tenants. The few acres of the old boycott estate went to elaine knockdowns family so my mother's family would own some of us and then the majority of the land around it is all owned by neighbors. Elaine is is proud of our ancestors but she's never taken part in a boycott herself. I haven't had any just what do you think it would take a uh to to make you joining a boycott. What would it take. I suppose if it was come to a point where i was losing my home and people around me. Were losing their homes. Then certainly yeah you can imagine starting some kind of a revolution or takeout or whatever. I just don't know where to start. Today and people are losing their homes today. It's just that it's often some international ain't doing the addicting and what do they care. If one small town shuns them stops paying rent but then again small town shunning. That's not what most oh boy cats are today. Instead there are people all over the world making individual gestures of solidarity. They hope add up to something greater the words it's the same but the boycott like the world has changed stan alcorn with help from producer dearmad mcintyre in ireland janci an edited this week's show our lead producer user were stand alcorn. Thanks also to pay for the supreme court archival audio also thanks to ramakrishna maria lahood amanda shea nor emily crosby the and brian casey a production managers wedneday in hosa original score and sound designed by the dynamic duo j. breezy mr jim briggs and fernando my man yo arruda that helped this week from catherine mondo and caitlyn bins our c._e._o. Is krista scharf merck. Matt thompson is our editor in chief. Taki tell anita's is our senior supervising editor. Our executive producer is kevin sullivan. Our theme music is by colorado lightning support for reveals provided by the raven david logan foundation the john d and catherine t. macarthur foundation shen the jonathan logan family foundation the ford foundation the democracy fund the housing simon's foundation and the ethics and excellence in journalism foundation reveal is a co production at the center for investigative reporting n._p._r. Ex i'm alison and remember there is always more to the story.

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Hour 3 - Rough Week for Fitz's Flops

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Hour 3 - Rough Week for Fitz's Flops

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That's what happens on the Monday after a weekend of football everywhere, but we're going to help you get through its benefits on ESPN radio, the ESPN app siriusxm channel eighty Jason Fitz hanging out with field Yates who's in for Sarah field. You're doing a magnificent job holding down the fort so far and dealing with my my crazy takes. So I appreciate you. My friend, you are crazy. You know that it's not just the tattoo. Does the throw me off right? Because you don't. You don't see them when the sleeves are down, right? You roll those sleeves up and all of a sudden go into this. Level of just takes get hotter. You know, it's weird. It gets me it up and then you can't put me in a box so feel because how many guys that are all touted out to, you know, the drink cherry vodka, right? Don't too many guys drink Terry vodka period. Well, many people, you know what the next time then the next time you have a little spare time come over to the apartment and I'll teach you the ways in suddenly you will. You'll be forever transformed. You're welcome. ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance. So to sort of celebrate some of the best and worst of the weekend, we're going to give you there's good news and bad news, which do you want first. So again, I'm feeling positive right now. So I'm going to go with a little good news out of the gate, and I'm going to give good news in really unexpected way this is going to take a twist. All right. This is like a choose your own adventure book. It's going to go. I'm giving good news to Georgia right to university of Georgia. We have lots of good news. I'm giving them good news because here's the thing number two team in all the land did not necessarily look in the minds of some did not necessarily look like the second best team in all the land right there. There's a moment where they went out and they beat Missouri, but it was a difficult game. They couldn't generate a lot of offense. They had a problem getting any rhythm, but I will look at this. I'm going to give you a positive out of it when you can go in against a conference foe. All right. When you can go in against a conference opponent that has a good quarterback, that's gonna put up a bunch of yardage with your lock, Missouri. If you can go in and you can play a terrible game where you can't get your rhythm, you can't get your footing. You can't seem to get anything going. Jake from can essentially laid pig Oleg and you can still walk out with a couple of touchdown win. That means your program has now as elevated to the level of we don't play great and we still beat your, but that is, that's the top tier program. The Georgia now sits in when you can look at it and say, we can play a disorganized chaotic game. There were not necessarily proud of, but we can still dominate. We're one of the best teams in the country. I'm finding some good news, a beacon light for Georgia. A lot of good news. Let me get to my own good news. Good news. Thank you. They're very much. Mine is south bend, Indiana. Ian book looks like the real deal quarterback. Notre Dame was kinda stuck in the mud for two weeks stretch after a really impressive week. One win over Michigan. Ian book takes over as their starting quarterback has three passing touchdowns. Excuse me, two passing touchdowns three, rushing touchdowns, then even did not need a ton of rushing yards to pile up all the scores through the football really. Effectively junior quarterback comes from California has been around the program for quite some time, so he's not a total newcomer, but this is the good news. Notre Dame needed to get its playoff chances. I don't say back on track. They never were off the track, but don't you take Notre Dame more seriously when you see that kind of offense of output? Well, yeah, not only that, but I mean, it's a reminded that Notre Dame got through the first few weeks offensively they didn't really play well offensively and there was a lot of conversation about what the future quarterbacks specifically for them would look and there's been a conversation about rotating quarterbacks. I want to stress this about Notre Dame. They're not rotating quarterbacks because they went out and they just beat the snot out of Wake Forest and that game was out of control, but they didn't take Ian book out and what that means to me. Brandon wimbush didn't get any snaps in a blowout win. So there wasn't some sort of hand holding, let's get him, get him a little rhythm. Let's get him a little identity. Go going. There was none of that. They made a full switch to Ian book and they're going to be better for a glued on that. You want the news I or what? Not. Why don't you give us a bad news. Okay. That's just not very good. UCLA Nebraska made, perhaps the two splashy est hires of the college football off season. Can you think of others that might surpass them either in terms of the coaches, former pedigree or what it meant for me story line standpoint, chip Kelly, going to UCLA, Scott frost returning to home for him. Nebraska where he, of course, was dazzling quarterback prospect went on to play in the NFL and then most recently lead UCF to a national title or something close to it, both. Oh and three. There aren't very many teams in the power, five conferences right now they don't have win. I think there might be the only to UCLA and Obrastsova and I get it. Both of these coaches have long-term security and both of them understood it was going to be not a total tear down, build it back up, but this was not going to be the year for UCLA or Nebraska, but there's so much buzz in hope during the off season for a lot of college football teams don't you think either one or both of them thought one out of three wins to begin the season or one of the three games with the win is not that difficult to. Accomplish? Yeah, and I think that part of it is the eye test and part of it is how terrible it is looked. It was an epoch loss for Nebraska. Obviously, the win total or the the point differential was I think, the biggest loss they've taken in years. I don't remember these acts that from our Saturday show, but it also just as a disjointed effort, and it's a reminder that Scott frost is going to need some real time to build something. They're UCLA also interesting because we talked on Friday field, you weren't here. We talked on Friday about how much blowback I've gotten from Nebraska fans for being harsh on them. And we also talked about some of the blowback you've seen from UCLA's quarterbacks father on Twitter, about the coaching schemes of chip Kelly. So one of the things that really stands out to me is within each program you can look around it between what players are saying, some of the press conference moments, and then you get dads on social media. It really feels like things are unraveling early and it. It'll be interesting to see how landmark coaches come in in a certain their identity into these programs and how long that actually take. Because I don't think it's a quick process for either of them, but speaking of college, football, I'm also going to chime in with some bad news, any bad watching games actually. Well, say that when you've got a top ten team in the country that's finding themselves at the very end of an epic game, it's finding themselves being pushed to the brink by army, and you can't find it anywhere. You got a problem for anybody that didn't see this on Saturday. Oklahoma goes down to the wire with army in an incredible football game, and we were all watching on Paris cope myself. Included? Okay. Because this game was not available anywhere. There's a, there's sort of a little nuance in the TV rights that allows for each team in the big twelve to take one game and do with it. However, they please. So Texas puts one game, for example, just on the Longhorn network. So they, they move these games around Oklahoma, put put their game on pay per view every year. They do one game that pay per view, and they basically require. Oklahoma fans to spend like thirty bucks to watch this one game. So Oklahoma army gave a game on Saturday had thirty two thousand people watching a twitch stream of the game shot by shot on a on a guy's phone. So that's what we were all doing. Like I was sitting on periscope trying to watch a guy's phone that was watching the game on pay per view for what we thought it one point was going to be one of the biggest upsets of the year. It's incredible to think that we could get to that point in a top ten matchup that we could get to that point in. It's a reminder, one of the things college football fan, say all the time field is that every game matters. It's the OS to college football fans to make sure that every game is somehow accessible. Pay per view. Broadcast for only the fans is not accessible to me. Whoever did that on his phone. I give that guy a penny of eat thirty two thousand years, and he likes her gets his investment. One hundred ten times over, hey, that Mandy that is not a bad idea. I'm gonna figure out technology that lets. Set it, but go fund me. And once you give me a buck, you can watch my stream. I would've done it that night. That's the sad thing could have made a lot of money. So what I like about you feel entrepreneurial even through good news, bad news, Steelers boxer tonight on ESPN's Monday night football is the game gets underway. We are going to head to Raymond James stadium and get update from j, Richard J. What do you got force. Big is everybody on the field right now for the national anthem as the two notebook nears take on the show one in one, Pittsburgh Steelers, Ryan Fitzpatrick, looking to keep it going dealers looking as I mentioned for the first win of the year. Pre big crowd fills a Tampa Bay Buccaneers fans as well as a lot of visiting dealer fans, not just here for the game, but for Tony Dungy, former Steelers player and former puck nears coach who will be honored at halftime and inducted into the buccaneers ring of honor. And it's Monday night football here in Tampa Bay, and I will guys up when I hear updates for scored, Jay, thank you so much. We'll be with us throughout the course of the night. Anytime something big happens of the game. You will know about it, but straight ahead NBA training camps got underway today. What team questions were answered on day one find out next Spain and Fitz feel gates in for Sarah on ESPN, radio, Spain, and Fitz, and Fitz on ESPN radio, the ESPN app and siriusxm channel eighty Jason Fitz field Yates dancing to the sweet sweet tunes ESPN radio. Presented by progressive insurance, small business protection, just got easier with more than thirty coverage options available, progressive. Has you covered more at progressivecommercial dot com? Now, obviously, as I said earlier, we are going to keep you caught up throughout the course of the Monday night football game, and we've got a lot of football that we will continue to to discuss, but I wanted to have a little bit of a conversation with you field about the NBA. Okay. Because in in in your all in for the NBA. And I love that about you. Like I, I'm a little little surprised. I'll be honest, I didn't know feel gates. I said that somebody in the halls the other day, I didn't realize field Yates equals NBA aficionado alerts up day fits, you know something when you cover a sport everyday like the NFL like I do. Sometimes you have a different perspective on this that when you just watch it as a fan, like I do in the NBA well, training camps opened up today, and I know I can't believe it like we were just talking about the NBA finals. I understand that training camps opened up today, and so we got a little bit of honesty. We got to. We got a little bit of weird laugh. We got a lot of personality going on, but I wanna start obviously with LeBron because that's where every NBA conversation starts. LeBron was pretty open and honest today about the the gap between the Lakers and the warriors. I thought that was an interesting piece for him to come out and be so up front, managing expectations from the minute he starts, I think, is important for him and for Lakers fans to sort of be reminded. Of where this team is versus where they intend to hopefully go through the process. This new territory fits right. I mean, think about this LeBron to the NBA finals for seven, straight years in Cleveland and Miami combined. So the expectation every single year, no matter what other Eastern Conference teams did or what the Cavs did or did not do the expectation every year was for him to get back to the NBA finals. It was wake up, start the season, get to the NBA finals, compete for a championship in the west, like you have to manage expectations in a major way. There are some. We don't know if the Lakers or even a playoff team. I tend to think they will find their way into the NBA playoffs and probably win close to fifty games. But too. I also think it's possible that there's a case for them as the fifth best team in the west. Of course, I do. So for LeBron not only is it a brave new world in the sense that he's not expected to necessarily show to the NBA finals who like getting out of the first round is going to be difficult for the Lakers this year? Well. And I think we have to remember that. He also was asked about distractions in projects away from basketball in reiterated, double down on the fact that he's got no focus other than basketball. Do you buy that though? I mean, I think this is the natural piece that happens when you see something like the announcement of Space Jam to which we talked about last week, sort of funny jokingly. We talk about it in that moment. But when he comes out and says that he he's only focused on basketball and there's no big deal for anything else to you by that. No, but it's okay. Here's what I mean by that is like, why wouldn't LeBron have a vested interest in other things besides basketball out in Los Angeles, just like any athlete. The plays in a city like Los Angeles, the second largest in the country, and obviously the epicenter of the entertainment world. That's totally okay. I wouldn't be grudge that Blake Griffin when he was with the clippers his profile skyrocketed, right? I mean, and he's still, you know, Blake Griffin is a great basketball player is the case in Detroit just like it wasn't Oklahoma, just like it was in Los Angeles, but part of being as you get the benefits of playing in that market. But there's nothing wrong with LeBron it's possible for players to have interest outside of their sports or to have awareness of other parts of their brand that extends beyond the court will also be uniquely dedicated to their primary job as a basketball player. LeBron James. Works out and it's legendary stuff. He has a different physical mold than perhaps any NBA player we've ever seen. I have no concerns if LeBron came out and said, yeah, I'm all in on basketball, but I'm also here in part because or I'm glad about the way that my brand is going to take off and some of the work I'm doing off the court. How wouldn't care at all? Well, and I think that has to come back to distractions and the conversation around it in the sense that what we have to remember is that certain people just managed time better than we do right. What we all want to do is apply our own logic to there's no way he can do all of these things. There's a limited number of hours in the day, but the more I continue to look at LeBron the more I wonder if he just better utilizes his time, he'd better maximizes his time and he better utilizes his platform. He's got an entire team around him. So you have to look at some great people and say, great people find a way to be great. Now, with that being said, as we mentioned, tempering expectations LeBron did bristle at the notion that he has to win a championship to be successful in LA. I don't believe. I don't believe the only thing of success you Morgan seasons when a championship was only one champion, but that doesn't mean you're not, you know, not successful. I think you know there's going to be wins and losses and things of that nature. But what you can control how you prepare every day. How we prepare every day to try to get better every day. You know, we're, we're new ballclub coming together, obviously have some returning guys. But as far as the ball club, we're all new to each other. So you know, we have to take our bumps and bruises. We have to. You know, it's going to be good ties. We'll be bad times, you know, and that's what happens what a team has new. But if we continue to work to process and we continue to, you know, sacrifice one another and put in a commitment in time to to being graded in, you know, everything else will fall into place as I say before well, and I have to come back and say it's low hanging fruit to make some sort of comment about not needing championships to be successful. Obviously, what LeBron has done is already successful. So it's not a surprising message and also not a surprising flash of his personality. What was the pricing was a little bit of flashing personality in Toronto from Leonard, we've been asking him to speak. We've been wanting to hear from him ever since the entire thing, but this goes down and ever since we start hearing from everybody put him, but maybe this is why he wasn't showing a lot of percentage. Hang out a little choir. I'm a fun guy. Obviously, I love the game basketball. I mean, it just more question. You have to ask me in order for me to tell you about myself. I just can't give you a whole spiel. I don't even know where you sit in it. Oh, it was a guy with the terrible laugh and I can admit that about myself field that laugh from coli is epic. Let me tell you something fits. I got an idea here. You're ready for this the next time that you need to fill in on this show. I have and I'm not available call. Why. Gold right there. Right. Usually when you're a fun guy and you, you know, you sell it like that. I'm all in. I just I felt sold on how much fun he must be. Let me back out for this for one second though, because the only thing I'll say about Kawai and his personality or lack thereof is the only issue I have is when people have an expectation that a player deserves owes it to us to be this spirited character. That's a soundbite waiting to happen. They don't know what to us at all. Kawai Leonard when healthy is arguably the best to a player in the NBA he shows up in produces. That's what fans in Toronto or ever. He winds up playing in twenty nineteen beyond will care about most. We can have some fun with that. Strained laugh from Kawai Leonard. Whatever you wanna call that that strained awkward laugh. But like just because Kawai Leonard isn't Mr. light, your world on fire doesn't mean anything about legacy as a player or dynamic ability or what he means for respect their franchise because the raptors went all in for one year of or at least reset their organizational trajectory for one year of Leonard, that's all they're guaranteed. I can't get enough of that. You are a thousand percent? Correct that the only thing that matters at this point is that he connects with the guys in that locker room that he wins games for that organization. At that point, being quiet becomes part of his endearing charm. We only care about that when things don't seem to be going as well. But as long as he wins games ain't nobody gonna care about the laugh about the awkwardness about the silence. Any of that his job, his action is to do that ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance, straight ahead, an NFL team, looking for a new quarterback, it's no laughing matter. We'll tell you about it next Spain and Fitz, Spain and Fitz. I just saved hundreds of dollars by switching to Geico. I should've done this years ago disclaimer crumpling Buchan time physically impossible unless you know how to build a functioning time machine. Then by all means trouble twenty five years back in time, Switzer car insurance to Geico. 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General manager, Bobby Evans is out his San Francisco Giants GM according to multiple reports and his first reported by the San Francisco Chronicle. So staying in the bay area, obviously a little bit of conversation that you just heard right there regarding the the obviously there's just it's heartbreaking to lose a quarterback field. This early in the season for the forty Niners losing Jimmy Garoppolo with a knee injury. This is just one of those moments that takes your breath away as the fan base is an organ. Station for guy, they've invested a lot of money in that they haven't seen a lot of football from this is is just heartbreaking. But how do we in of last year fits the forty Niners were winless listless toothless on offense to borrow a word that I heard my friend, Matthew berry us on our podcast last week. I haven't heard that one in quite some time. They had no direction on offense. They had gone from Brian Hoyer to CJ Beathard. Third round pick marquees Goodwin had been a nice pickup for them, but really a bit a vertical threat. And next thing you know, Jimmy Garoppolo arrives in San Francisco and they played it slow, right? Jimmy. Garoppolo did not start until CJ Beathard got hurt five wins later and off season that included an extension for Markeith Kubat who took off the addition of Mike mcglinchey in the draft, the signing of jerk MacKinnon in free agency and overall feeling by the way, adding guy like Richard Sherman on defense that this team was maybe not going to challenge the Rams for the division, but could make the playoffs this year. Deflated. All of those feelings have gone by the wayside. Now, this team is not left for dead, the seasons on over, it's only three games in, but the whole future of their franchise changed when Jimmy Garoppolo was acquired him at trade last year, and now he's not going to be available for the final thirteen games in this season. I wanna continue this conversation, but quickly from one day to the other. We're gonna take a quick run to Tampa Bay, but we have news from j Richard J what's he got? Forced my friend. Other going. Reception four yards for Cameron braid is I catch of the year, puts the bucks up seven, nothing on the drive. Big plays by OJ Howard in the past game, including a run up the gut for eighteen yards for Pete Barbara, the buccaneers lead the Steelers, seven zero one left in the first quarter. We will keep you updated as the game continues to move along. But I will tell you so far. My favorite thing is that buccaneers fans all over the stadium are wearing fake beards. So I'm all for that's what fits magic gets us. It was a win so field. I want to go back to this conversation. We were having obviously about Jimmy Garoppolo being gone because you you mentioned that the the future the organization changed when they acquired him. Obviously, it was a large investment sort of an eyebrow raising investment in the minds of some. When you see a guy with a limited body, a work, get the type of investment that they gave Jimmy g. part of it might have been right place right time. Part of it's the timing when the deal was there. However, you wanna look at it. If you're the forty Niners. Does there any level at this point where you're looking at it saying, man, we just paid a ton of money for a guy that we're still trying to figure out exactly who he's going to grow into his appro. Now he's he's out with an ACL injury made it just has to feel like the future even becomes a little bit murkier because of it. I'm not so sure about that part fit because I think they were sold on the investment in a few ways. First of all, in the NFL it's hard to pay a quarterback a year too late or right on time. You kind of have to make that commitment in a lot of ways year earlier than might be comfortable making that commitment like look at the Marcus mariota and Jameis Winston fifth year option that were exercised. This past offseason. Both of them are now scheduled make over twenty million dollars next year. James Whitson might be a backup quarterback. Marcus mariota had one hundred passing yards on Sunday. I get it. He was a backup and he was hurt. My point is merely this in the NFL usually a quarterback who gets paid a lot is because he's the next man up with their car. We saw with Matthew Stafford, Andrew luck. Jimmy Garoppolo Aaron Rodgers probably soon enough. It'll be Ryan Fitzpatrick now I kid, but I would say this. It's not so much about the evaluation of Jimmy Garoppolo. It's just that in the NFL things changed so rapidly, they felt like they had a chance to maybe at least flirt with the playoff picture this year and some of their key pieces on defense. You know, everybody, everybody will be a year older next year. You just don't get that many shots. Right? And they have plenty of cap space and youth and draft capital and all those things going forward, but but still feel doesn't have to be lake. Think of young quarterbacks. You just mentioned. We've had this conversation when you think about Derek Carr, and you think about James Winston, Marcus mariota think about Dak Prescott thing about how the body of work has changed the overall perception of who that quarterback is. So wouldn't you talk about Jimmy g. you're talking about somebody. They've got a huge contract based on half a season of body work again. I understand. It's because he was up. It's just his time. Right? But there's a piece now it only delays really. Getting more body of work from him. And I feel like we're forced in today's society to make decisions on quarterbacks before we have enough of the book to be able to know how it should start, how it should be the middle and how it should end. We just don't know, we'll maybe we should then reconsider how we evaluate decision-makers when they are making decisions on on quarterbacks in the draft or perhaps in the free agency or when traits my goodness gracious. Whoa, we saw that touchdown right there, but vans McDonald's did did something that I'm not sure is legal in many states. You know what we're behind the curtain here field or watching on two different TV's and he's about eight seconds ahead of me. So you just went, whoa. And I'm like, well, I mean it was a catch, but it wasn't. And then I watched it all go down, so beautiful, beautiful touchdown, you know, just a a. That this is it's an epic moment. I'm sure we'll get an update from the stadium. We will keep you updated as it goes along, but to the point of progress in what we're discussing about the forty Niners in their future, want you to hear what Ryan Clark on NFL live said about their progress being put on hold. Now you go into next season and Jimmy Garoppolo has what ten starts now. So you're still you're still back at square one with this offense with this personnel. And he's like the more you try to continue to to grow the more. You try to progress. You're getting set back by injuries, and that's a very difficult place to be as in, hey, coach and also has a play call. And that's that's sort of what they're the, the beasts that they're up against at this point field and there's nothing they can do about it other than wait it out. Yeah, you gotta wait it out. This is where your patience has really put to the test, right? I mean, and that's the hard part in the NFL. It's like you wait all off season. The NFL is the shortest season in terms of the time from the first game to the time of the end last game in. Your season, right? I mean, it's seventeen weeks which feels like a long crawl at sometimes put. It's like you have one, two, three games and all of a sudden it feels like the wind is taken out of your sales. You know, it's tough, but Kyle, Shannon, I thought, Hannah this really well yesterday and saying, listen, you know, other teams have gone through things like we have gone through his thing we can do of the continue to forge forward. Well, we want to get to the shell Pennzoil performance line. Jay record joins us. What did you got forced what's going on in the game? My friend. Hey, guys, three plays. That's all it took for the Steelers to get on the scoreboard Vance McDonald with a seventy five yard touchdown reception breaks the tackle of Chris Conte at about the thirty two and rumbled into the end zone. The point after was missed at the right upright and came out. So it's seven, six buck nears with five forty eight left in the first yet. Again, we see some rearing of the head ugly heads of missed kicks field. We will keep you updated on the game. He said, broke the tackle. It was more like just a man imposing his will. It was criminal. It was a cry tweeted. What he did was illegal in forty five states. The feel like that's what would happen in the halls. Like if there was cake in the cafeteria. And like let's say, I don't know. Boettger was there and I was racing booger. That's what happened right there like, yeah, put down the way booger. We'll put me down for cake and rightfully so straight ahead. The name of the segments is fits flops this week. Yeah, they did flop. We'll talk about it next. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio, Spain, and fits in Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. The ESPN app and siriusxm channel eighty chased him fits hanging out with field Yates field in for Sarah. This Monday night football game looks like it's going to put up yards galore field. They are just moving up and down the field. It's a thing of beauty. So thinking beauty to watch if you if you love offense. I'm still not over this big band with play. Has anybody confirmed the Chris Conte still with us on this earth. I m curious, like, what do you do at that point? How do you go back to the sidelines? Like, what are you save your teammates? That point? My bad do. Here's, I mean, when you go back to the sidelines, you put a helmet on, but make sure the helmet has a mixture of the helmet has like the inability to see out of it like, don't let yourself see any of the replays. Don't let the fans say anything to you because I'm just telling you it was devastating on Chris Conte, but we can get back on track. Your flip flip fits because I know you had some flops that you wanted to get you from the weekend. Well, yeah. So you know every Friday you weren't here on Friday field and I continued my tradition. I lose every bet I ever since I started this show. It is not been pretty Sarah. His crushed me to the point that I'm fairly certain. I owe her a small island, a private jets, a tour of the Eiffel tower and then appear mid like an actual great pyramid. I o are all of those things and I paid them, nothing paid none of them. So I. Oh, new stand that I don't necessarily do particularly well, but this year we changed, we changed it and we decided instead of letting me pick winners, maybe there's a little psychology action here. I'll pick losers, so I'll decide who's going to lose the bet. And by doing that so far this year when it comes to picking losers, as I do every Friday on fits flops, I've been able to. Are you ready for this? I've been able to pick out of ten games, do five, five a week. I came into the weekend, seven wins two losses. One push seven, two and one that is pretty spectacular pattern whole, yeah. Yeah, seven two in one. It all went to heck and Handbasket on Sunday. It was not a pretty day and I'm willing to admit it. I'm willing to admit where I was wrong. I started with the saints and falcons where I loudly declared that the falcons will have fixed their red zone offense issues, which I might add. I was right about right, and I loved lead declared that the falcons would be able to put up a ton of points on the saints which I might add. I was also write about, so you. I'm feeling pretty good about it. The saints were favored by three, and I said that New Orleans would lose the bet. All I needed the falcons to do anything in overtime. I mean anything in overtime, and instead the saints get forty three thirty, seven win meaning they won by six meaning I lost. Never going away and it just never going away. That's gonna be with us forever. So I'm all in one for the week. Okay. But I feel good about that one. That one, I feel like that was a pretty reasonable pick and I had a shot for it. I did not have a shot in my second game. The second game I picked Packers Redskins with the two and a half point favorites for the Packers. I was convinced that they would come in and roll Washington and it wouldn't be a game. So I took the Packers. I took the Washington Redskins to lose the bet meaning that I took the Packers to win by more than two and a half. And instead the Redskins went out there and whip that Packer, but so now now Owen too, and I'm not feeling good about it because that one that wasn't good. But you still with me right field like that was that wasn't an outrageous mindset, right? Nothing wrong with what you've done. So I'm gonna back you up at a second year fist, but team with your flops because they're kind of funny to me. Okay. Okay. The next one we finally got on track like just maybe you got to get a little rhythm. Maybe gotta get things go in Niners chiefs. Kansas City favored by five. I said San Francisco would lose the bit because right now I don't think you can bet against the chiefs whenever it involves winning and scoring a lot of points. So I took the chiefs to win by more than five. They win thirty eight to twenty seven over the forty Niners in another offense of explosion, they find finally get one bringing my total to one and two for the week. That's pretty good right there. I wanna say this. So this year in the fantasy focus football podcast, which you can watch every day at eleven AM eastern time on Twitter. We do something called pigskin pick him where we pick every single game and up until this year we had just done so with who would win, who will lose not factoring in the line. This year we have incorporated the line and if I'm not mistaken, the leader in our group which is like I want to say tens of thousands of people through forty, seven games, understanding that tonight's game has not yet been played or had not yet been decided at the time that I checked this thirty three correct picks was the outright leader. Third. Thirty three or forty seven picking games with the line of the NFL is exceedingly hard to do that. Taking off the hook that much because one and two still kind of thinks fits well, it didn't get any better. Bears. Cardinals was my next one. And this wasn't about being high on the bears. This was about being particularly low on the cardinals. Chicago four and a half point favorite. I think AirAsia is gonna prove to be one of the tours teams in the league by the end of the year. So I constantly said that the bears behind Mitchell Trubisky would be able to generate enough offense to win by more than four and a half points they win, but they only win by two sixteen to fourteen the bears do not cover, meaning that wrong. Again, taking me to one in three. It's not getting pretty Stein pretty, but but field, you know what I saved a little face at the end. The Bengals at the Panthers Cincinnati was at three point favorite. I think that everybody got on the hype train too early Cincinnati. I think the Panthers are good football team. I. Thought they would win this game outright and it turns out they did. So I finished the week. I get that win. I I get the win on on Bengals Panthers, feel good about that. Takes me to what two in three for the week. My first. The final was two and three. Is that correct? Two and three for the week. Right. Not bad right now. Terrible. Nine, five. And one is your aggregate score for the season? I think that's pretty good, bad right there fits. I mean, listen to what? Chris, Connie. Sorry, I can't stop. I gotta stop with Chris. He's gonna. Families got kids for all. We know that probably has a family at the very least. Well, by the way you're listening to Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio all guests on the shell Pennzoil performance line field Yates in for Sarah, hanging out with Jason Fitz if I may by the way. Can I get back on this about this this weekend and what it was and how it turned out is like, how can someone be discouraged by your two and three performance? When we saw weekend where the bills were were seventeen point underdogs and they go in there and they whack the Vikings, the patriots won in one. I are. They lost by ten plus points against the Jaguars or eleven points. It was in week two. They haven't lost back to back double double digit games or games by double digit scores. Since two thousand and two, they go to. They go to Detroit, they lose that game twenty six to ten other weird and goofy scores talked about Green Bay. I would have totally been in favor of picking Green Bay to cover in that game against Washington. I mean, even Philadelphia, that game was closer unexpected for them to beat the Indianapolis Colts wasn't just the bad beats. It was everything else. The guy get why you're. And three week took place like that's life in the NFL well, and it's a difficult thing to wrap your head around. I've used the lions several times as an example, the fact that you can go just a couple of weeks ago from getting your butt whooped by the jets who you know, nobody knows at this point if they're any good or not, and then you come in and you woke up on the patriots, it just it just doesn't make sense. I can't. I can't make it make sense in my mind in the fact that I'm sitting here looking at a Redskins team. That's two in one. I mean the Redskins get a win over Green Bay. They go to two in one. At this point they're tied for first in their division. I know it's early, but we didn't see that coming for the Redskins and I don't look at the Redskins necessarily and think, oh, that's a division champion type team. It's just doesn't. You don't see that when you watch him on the field, but guess what? Two and one two in wines a long season. So let me ask you this quickly. To wrap things up because the only a couple of minutes left here on the show got teams that are three and our two and one some to come to mind that are surprises include Miami, include the two one, Washington Redskins other teams Dighton too. In one little bit of. Surprise there. Which one do you believe in most to sustain things going forward? And who do you believe in lease? Which one feels like a Mirage to you? I just don't believe in the dolphins and I got hate on it last week. I'll get hate on it again this week. But realistically, the dolphins were outgained outplayed for a lot of that football game against the raiders team that I don't think is any good. So it's not the first time this year that the dolphins have sort of found themselves on the statistical wrong end of the game, but they managed to find a way to win. I don't think you can maintain that throughout the course of the season. And I think if there's any team to give love that, that continually surprises me right now, the titans have would have every excuse to be Owen three over the last two weeks. What they've been able to accomplish when they were undermanned with a lot of injuries with the backup quarterback that was then replaced list week with the starting quarterback that is not himself because of nervous you in his elbow. I, I mean, I think that was really impressive to get to one coaching is making a difference there so they send out what's who stands out to you real quick. I agree with. A two and one titans standing out in a positive way that I would not have expected. I think the bears have surprised me a little bit defensively. They're dominant and maybe it's been more about the strength of schedule than has been the overall level of this team. They can find a way to get Mitch Trubisky, just adequate. The team could be really, really good, but it's it's gonna be hard for me to buy into it. It's funny you say that about Mitch because their times where I think it's easy that he's going to be good, and then I look at it other times. I can't can't make make sense. Thanks for filling in field. Thank you serve. I'm back tomorrow leading into brewers cardinals on ESPN radio, and we figured like we have to, we have to sort of up the star power since we don't have the star power of field Yates were expected to be joined by. I dunno, Josh Norman, that's, that's been be Freddie and Fitz is next. Thanks as always for hanging out with us. 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The Family Business

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The Family Business

"Hey there outside in listeners. There is a single stray f-bomb in the story that we have left unbleached if you'd like trying to skip it. It comes at about eighteen and a half minutes when we're talking about the conclusion of a global climate negotiation. So good luck. As I said, I've had the privilege of knowing working with John and his son Michael over the last six years, I've learned much from that association. I'm confident that you'll feel the same after today. It's my distinct honor to introduce governor John Henry sununu. This is Joe Delia a meteorologist who doesn't believe human activity is driving global warming. Introducing John H sununu in two thousand thirteen sununu served as governor of New Hampshire for six years from nineteen Eighty-three to nine hundred eighty nine in political circles, he's famous for being a rhetorical knife fighter and attack dog and an expert Crafter of incendiary soundbites, and that's any row peak environment reporter in New Hampshire. Public radio's newsroom. Thank you very much. Joe? We've gathered to bring some reality and some sound science to the ongoing debate on climate change and global warming. John H sununu is famously whip smart. He reportedly scored near the top on a test that billed itself as a mega IQ test intended to distinguish who are the smartest among geniuses following his governorship. He was White House chief of staff, and is something of an elder statesman to the GOP, and I'm pleased to be amongst the this very distinguished gathering of experts who have come to make sure that the world knows that the debate on the science is not over as chief of staff John H took a special interest in the subject of global warming. But the anti-growth and antidevelopment crowd are a very hardy bunch. They won't give up John H gave the speech at a conference Hartland institute a think tank that has focused on trying to rebut mainstream climate. Science in this speech to new lays out his theory of the origins of global warming. My message today is to make sure we recognize that no matter how effectively we deal with exposing the errors and games behind that agenda. We need to know that the battle will never end because the issue is not really global warming. This. Global warming crisis is just the latest surrogate for an overarching agenda of anti-growth and antidevelopment that grew and gathered support in the years after World War Two global warming. John H argues is a Trojan horse carrying within its belly the real objective massive reformed capitalist system, socialism and the scaling back of economic growth. One of the first issues to be celebrated as a crisis by these reformers was overpopulation. That fad peaked in the sixties and seventies the bible of that coat. The population bomb argued that the battle to feed all of humanity is over and acclaimed. We had lost the battle predicting that in the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties. Hundreds of millions of people would starve to death. That clearly phony crisis was followed by warnings about global climate change. Argues that the primary tool of these plotters is computer models in nineteen seventy two a group called the club of Rome used a computer model to argue the world would soon face resource, scarcity food shortages and economic collapse by the end of the nineteen ninety s all of which failed to materialize, John H sununu argues that similarly climate researchers have cooked the books use the models to achieve a predetermined outcome, but cast of characters involved in this has expanded a bit. But at the core there is an unbroken lineage back to those unbelievably wrong unscientific prognosticators. The speech were hearing is from twenty thirteen and maybe you've heard arguments like this, perhaps even recently be expensive. This would be absolutely tremendous. I mean, there's no way to even comprehend how much implementing this would cost. Well, first of all H L Mankin who was a democrat said it correctly, the urge to save you Mandy is almost always a false face for the urge to rule. This is really about socialism. This is nothing more than a socialist Trojan horse. That's why they've inserted all sorts of programs into the green new deal that have nothing to do with green energy. But John H sununu has been making this argument since the nineteen eighty s well before global warming became politicised at intractable back when there was twenty percent less carbon in the atmosphere. And when there was more time to transition to a lower emission society. What's interesting about sununu is that he developed. This whole skepticism and. All of these objections on his own and yet now they have become in various in various forms. The main talking points of of the right and climates in islets. But I think he came at them independently. So in some ways, he's kind of prime mover there. This is author Nathaniel rich in the nineteen eighties. There was a growing lamentable to address climate change momentum that ultimately fizzled out. This was the moment. We're history could have swerved in a very different direction. Rich, I wrote a detailed account of this period in article cold losing earth. But an expanded book version is due out next month. It's a tale. That prominently features John H sununu now if you look at it if you just came to them cold you'd say, oh, he's one of the rest of them. But now, I think actually strangely this sort of these these crank theory. Series have become the. Central tenants of republicanism. Today on outside in a family. That's been on the front lines of climate change politics since the very beginning. I'm same Evans Brown. The sununu are perhaps the most powerful family in the history of New Hampshire politics. They've been governors Senator congressman and even a White House chief of staff today, we're going to track this one political dynasty and with it. Mainstream Republican thought on climate change where it's been where it is now. And maybe where it's going. Clean air and clean water. The wise use of our land to protection of wildlife and natural beauty. These are part of the birthright of every American thing to keep in mind. A huge number of our foundational environmental laws. The creation of the EPA the clean water and clean air acts the toxic substances control act and many more were passed in the nineteen seventies. Under Richard Nixon to guarantee that birthright, we must act and act decisively. It is literally now or never at this point environmental issues had strong bipartisan support and Republicans wanted to be sure they didn't see this ground to the Democrats are I believe in a sound strong environmental policy that protects the health of our people and a wise stewardship of our nation's natural resources. That's enough about me. But less than a decade later under Ronald Reagan, the backlash to the environmental movement through he put administrators in charge of the and department of interior who worked to rollback Nixon era policies and to open up previously protected land, his EPA administrator and Gorsuch who also happens to be supreme court Justice. Neal Gorsuch mother cut the EPA budget by more than twenty percent. And when lawmakers accused her of mismanaging Superfund dollars, she wound up being held in contempt of congress Reagan's interior secretary, James watt increased the acreage of land the federal government leased for coal mining by around five times, the secretary of interior. Jim want is the prime target for those who claim that this administration is out to level the forest and cover the country with black tops someone in the press. The other day said of Jim discovered a cure for cancer. There are those who would attack him for being pro-life. These figures were not popular environmental groups fund raised and rallied against them. And they were pushed out and so in nineteen Eighty-eight when George H W Bush ran for president he positioned himself to regain the trust of the environmental community. We all know that human activities are changing the atmosphere in unexpected. And in unprecedented ways much remains to be done by this time. Global warming was already a high profile public issue. The first official government summary of climate science was finished in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine two more landed within a week of each other in one thousand nine hundred three and recovered by newspapers and TV news, James Hansen. A nasa. Scientists who wrote one of the first computer models of the greenhouse effect. I testified before congress on the issue back in nineteen eighty two articles about his research had already been front page news and the New York Times, so it should come. As no surprise that. This was an issue that Bush was talking about is. Residential candidate. What's particularly noteworthy to me that I remember was the one liner on climate change where Bush stated that those who are worried about the greenhouse effect are ignoring the White House affect he was making a very clear commitment on the issue. This is Rafe Pomerance and environmental activists who's worked for friends of the earth the world Resources Institute, the State Department and a hodgepodge of other campaigns and organizations in the early eighties. He spent years putting global warming on the national stage by personally arranging meetings between lawmakers and prominent government climate scientists by the time the nineties rolled around Rafe had already seen more than one climate change hype cycle, wax, and wane with no real action. So you're right that there were Republicans who were taking the issue seriously. Now, these were liberal Republicans, but I would say in the hall, the Republican party was much more moderate and open at that stage. So that's the political vibe of the nineteen eighty s. Some Republicans are prioritizing business over conservation. But you still had a Republican running for the Oval Office explicitly claiming he would be quote environmental president, unquote. It's here that we turn our attention to John H sununu at first he was an engineering professor at tufts, but he decided he wanted to put a smarts to work serving his community. He won a seat to the local planning board and later in New Hampshire's four hundred member house of representatives. He lost four elections twice for the state Senate and once for the governor's council and finally the Republican primary to be New Hampshire's U S Senator. But in one thousand nine hundred two he won the governor's office and like other Republicans of this era. He dabbled in environmental protection. In fact, Rafe Pomerance helped with an environmental campaign that caught John H is attention. I was involved with me leaders in New Hampshire and a major campaign around acid rain at the time acid rain looked feels and smells like any other rain, but the water in acid rain carries poisons, like sulfuric acid. An enormous now over one hundred towns at the annual town meeting approved resolutions calling for action on acid rain that campaign organized a conference in Manchester, New Hampshire and all of the democratic candidates vying to be the nominee to challenge Reagan attended. But curiously or importantly, John sununu, the governor came to the conference, and my recollection is is that sununu ultimately was a supporter of of acting on acid rain as governor John H sununu signed the nation's first acid rain legislation requiring a twenty five percent reduction on sulfur dioxide emissions in the state, so an environmental issues, it seemed that John H and President Bush would be on the same page in the nineteen eighty eight presidential primary sununu threw his weight behind Bush's candidacy, the bombastic governors rhetorical force and connections helped Bush win I in New Hampshire and then his party's nomination. We had a great candidate a candidate who got his message out candidate who. Engaged certainly with his nearest rival made it very clear what the difference was. And what I think of the most discriminating voters in the country did a little comparison shopping, but between the two of them and decided George Bush was head and shoulders above them in. Thanks after he won the White House. Bush appointed sununu his chief of staff, it was in that powerful role that John H personally shepherded a Bill through congress that said a gradually declining cap on pollution that causes acid rain and loud polluters to trade the right to emit. It was the model for the type of market based solutions to climate change that we're still debating today. All of this adds up to a situation in which it would seem that when it comes to global warming, George H W Bush who had promised to deal with the issue on the campaign trail, and John H sununu who had proven himself to be a pragmatic dealmaker on acid rain. We'd be simpatico ready to get to work crafting some kind of conservative solution. And in fact, when Bush came to office the table was set for them to do something big less than a year after Bush's inauguration world leaders planned meeting, the first ever international talks on a binding treaty to limit greenhouse gas emissions. The talks would be held in Nordvik in the Netherlands. This would be the ideal place for Bush to hold true to his promises of being an environmental president to lead the world in addressing climate change. But immediately it became clear that John H did not seek global warming is being like acid rain, and this teed up in internal battle within the Bush administration. This became an issue inside the Bush White House. And agencies some people really very enthusiastic about moving forward. Others like governor sununu chief-of-staff with not. What happened was during the crucial week when they were going to make a decision Hanson again shows up James Hansen. Is that NASA scientist the one who's models of the greenhouse effect? I got Congress's attention back in the early eighties. He had continued coming before lawmakers, including now famous bombshell testimony in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight when he declared that global warming was already being observed. Now, he was testifying again. But this time John H sununu intervened and Hansen's testimony was altered by the Bush administration and later as I have learned sununu claims he altered the testimony and diminished its conclusions. The new text said that climate change might be attributable to quote, natural processes, unquote, which Hanson did not believe this was leaked to the press and was splashed all over the front page of the New York Times. The Bush Whitehouse wound up with egg all over their faces. The Hanson alteration had a big political impact on the deliberations inside the Bush White House Rafe says that when you look back at newspapers of the time, you see editorial writers throwing Bush's own words. Back at him, the self-proclaimed environmental president had promises administration with tackle climate change. Instead they'd been caught doing just the opposite secretly trying to downplay the problem it put the White House on the defensive and for a moment in the roiling internal debate within the administration. It seemed like John H sununu had lost just before the historic first ever climate negotiations in the Netherlands began he wrote a telegram to the State Department's negotiators reversing his previous position and telling them to work toward a quote full international consensus here, again is Nathaniel rich, the author of losing earth through the strangest detail of all is that there's a series of talks on the eve of the trip in November at a Tonio. Allendc in front of international investors in the American stock exchange sununu. Although he's not there to speak about climate change necessarily. He's he's just there in his capacity as sort of powerful person within the Bush administration talk about the economy spends most of his talk on on Nordvik and on this idea of a treaty. And in fact, comes out fairly forcefully. It's a very strange thing to read in favor of a global agreement. And he's challenged at one point by an investor in the audience, he says, well, isn't this going to have some major short-term economic costs? And he says, yeah will be some up front costs. But that's nothing compared to the the back. The back end costs. If we don't do anything. And yet despite all of this despite having lost face by altering Hansen's testimony and having been pressured into supporting global greenhouse gas treaty somewhere between that speech to investors and the final negotiation Nordvik sununu flipped again, it meant Americans began the talks with a hard line stance. We won't sign anything that's binding in terms of emissions reductions, and you know, we won't we won't. We won't take part in anything that doesn't consider the economic implications in the short term, basically. And that's the end of the dream of a of a global binding treaty, essentially, that's the that's the closest we've ever come. This set the template for old climate talks that followed every subsequent attempt that of binding greenhouse gas reduction treaty has failed even the much lauded Paris agreement which the US also backed out of was completely non-binding is where we get this. Great, quote, which I think's the Swedish Environment Minister walking out of the room and saying your government is fucking this up. Yeah. Right. And they did. If that binding treaty had been signed in nineteen ninety and if the global community had lived up to it. There could have been fifteen percent less carbon in the atmosphere when the effort to scale back emissions began. There would have been a thirty year headstart on developing solutions and driving down their cost in short. The problem would have been a lot easier to solve sununu today would say, well, we were just being the only honest broker that all these other governments were full of it and had no intention of living up to any kind of treaty binding or not. This was not the end of John H sununu is legacy with regards to global warming. He resigned from the White House in one thousand nine hundred one after he was found to be using military planes for personal trips and taking a White House limousine to a stamp auction. But just a few months later, he got a job as one of the regular hosts of the TV show crossfire from Washington crossfire on the left might Kinsley on the right? John sununu for Jerry Taylor. It was an ideal situation. I left college in nineteen eighty six I didn't graduate. I wanted to get into politics. Jerry was a prominent climate change skeptic at the time that he was a regular guest on crossfire. He used to work for the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank that also traffic's minority viewpoints on climate science was one of the nation's leading gunslingers promoting climate skepticism Jerry has since left the church of climate skepticism. And is now the president of the disc. Cannon center, which works to promote conservative solutions to global warming. But back when he was on the other end of spectrum he was a frequent guest on crossfire. This was a political TV show that the New York Times described as quote, a week nightly half hour of aggressively expressed uncomplicated opinions delivered a spirit of absolute certitude in where I am daily sex. If you talk what what phrase? News talk about that. You can talk about adults. They generally have a script where you have a person on the right who argues very strongly for, you know, non action, and then you'd have a person from the environmental community on the left arguing very strongly four action. And producers were there to book, the the the most telegenic and glib and entertaining people they can take those two slots and back in those days. I was nothing if not glib and entertaining. Just like their guests the crossfire hosts, including John H sununu were not expected to be neutral. And this was the nineties it was the period during which oil companies were beginning to launch a media campaign designed at undermining the scientific underpinnings of global warming the media pounced on these new talking points. Suddenly the issue had two sides, and John H sununu was a perfect fit for the role of climate change skeptic. I mean, he had just left the White House chief of staff, so we still important political player in Washington. And so it's kind of a thrilled to get a chance to hobnob with somebody like that especially since John sununu was steeped in climate knowledge and climate skepticism, and he was no casual actor through the nineties think tanks began sprout up with their own self proclaimed experts like Jerry Taylor who you could book for your talk show, whereas previously global warming journalism had. Met writing about dry government reports and National Research Council summaries. Now, it could be covered as talking heads shouting at each other. It was the beginning of a time in which the media shifted from covering climate change as a scientific certainty to something that was up for debate. And as host of crossfire, John H was given a prominent voice in that debate. And so in these conversations oftentimes, I'd be an debate. And in the course of the back and forth. Sununu jump in and throw his own shots that were as capable as those that I was putting on the table. So he was not disengage, and he was not lightly informed. We couldn't find any old footage of sununu talking about global warming on crossfire, but other records show his main arguments in this period were simple. The climate system is complex climate models are too simplistic. And the jury is still out on global warming. These are all talking points that at the time Jerry Taylor was also using but unlike John age as Jerry dug deeper into climate science, he became disillusioned with the arguments of the. Skeptics when I was on these programmes and talking with governors know, what he was putting on the table was no more enlightened than the kind of crackpot ary that I was marketing on knowingly at the time. John H sununu would hold onto his platform on crossfire for six years all the way up through nineteen ninety eight misrepresented in California you. You. Whatsoever with and then he stepped out of the limelight. He began to take an interest in business investing in all kinds of companies. He was on the board of a company drilling for oil in south east Africa and even bought a ten percent stake in an honest to goodness gold mine in other budgen as John H eased into the private sector. Republicans began flirting with a new approach to the climate issue. Just as a new sununu with his own views was rising into political prominence. I thought it was more important to get something done to get a good bipartisan Bill that raise those fuel efficiency standards after a quick break. The next generation takes the reins. There are a lot of finis. Josh. News. Okay. There are a lot of soon news, John H sununu and his it is impossible to. Okay. There are a lot of sununu John H sununu and his wife Nancy had eight children most aren't public figures, or at least they keep a lower profile daughter. Kathy runs a museum, son. Pete works for a media company in Louisville and son James works in the family business, which it's worth noting spans a lot of areas that are kind of adjacent to energy and climate oil mining water infrastructure utilities, there's a lot going on. But some of the news have gone on to use the family name and political connections to their advantage in nineteen Ninety-six during the Clinton administration, John e sununu, that's the son not the father was elected to his first term in the US house of representatives for New Hampshire. If John H sununu was a prime mover in the shift of the Republican party's stance on global warming and early voice for the abandonment of mainstream climate science and favor of the fringes that questioned the very foundation of atmosphere physics. How would his son approach climb? Senator sununu with the energy Bill as you mentioned the energy Bill passed after very close fighting congress minder standing was universally opposed this Bill. No, not at all what I opposed was the tax package. John e served in the US house of representatives for three terms starting in nineteen ninety seven and was the youngest member of congress that whole time he was seen as a rising star a party darling who into two was recruited to a Republican incumbent from the Senate that had been giving the party heartburn. He won. So this is a case where you know, if you actually stand up for doing something that's bipartisan, then some partisan in this case from the far left is gonna come at you and say, oh you while he was in office. His voting record was consistently conservative the times that he broke with the rest of his party were usually because he viewed their proposals as not adhering to Republican principles. He joined a democratic filibuster of the Patriot Act because he believed it infringed on personal liberty. We had to filibuster the Bill we had to stop it in its track. Ax in order to get those changes made, but they were worth fighting for and fight for them again, and he helped block and energy Bill calling. It a grab bag for special interests that was too expensive. But toward the end of his time as Senator thanks in part to the unpopularity of the war in Iraq. Republicans had lost majorities in both the house and Senate and good morning to you. It is a new day in America. The people have spoken a seismic shift in the house of and this environment action on climate change, experienced brief moment of bipartisan support. Hi. I'm Nancy Pelosi. Lifelong democrat and speaker of the house Gingrich lifelong Republican, and I used to be speaker. We don't always the I I do know. But we do agree. Our country must take action to address climate change. We need cleaner forms of energy. And we need them. For years Republican Senator John McCain and democrat Joe Lieberman had been pushing different versions of something called the climate stewardship past these are facts that cannot be refuted by any scientist or any union or any special interest weighing in more heavily on this issue than any issue since we got into campaign finance reform, Mr President, that's the Arctic sea that's the Arctic sea and even look at the red line the boundary of it in nineteen seventy nine look at it. Now, you can believe me or your lying eyes. This was a cap and trade Bill a market based carbon reduction scheme that use the same model that John H sununu that's the father had helped to get through congress in order to deal with acid rain and Senator news case he actually had an interest in climate bills. This is grant Bosse I worked on energy and climate issues for Senator Johnny sununu from two thousand three to two thousand eight toward the end of Giannis time in office. Remember, that's the sun Republicans on their heels, and we're looking at an unfavorable election map in two thousand eight and he had a tough opponent, the state's first ever female governor. So despite being a rising conservative star despite the name recognition, his family enjoys Giannis. Reelection was a real question. So with Democrats holding the gavels there was a lot more momentum to pass some kind of carbon Bill, and when it looked like Khan. Grice was gonna pass something then you wanna jump in? You wanna make that Bill as productive as you can't which is how it came to be that John e sununu son of the man who would go onto co climate science. Unbelievably wrong prominently signed onto a carbon cap and trade Bill a collaboration with Delaware Democrat, Tom Carper, the Carper in new plant there were all sorts of bills that varied in scope in varied in their approach. Some were more top down. Bernie Sanders had a Bill that was pretty much the federal government taking over the energy sector. Cain Lieberman was cap and trade Bill Carper sununu was actually multi pollutant. So it had as much to their quality sulfur nitrogen mercury. So because Senator sununu cared about it. I cared about it. So what did sununu Bill look like it was a so called cap and trade Bill cap as in it's set a cap on economy-wide carbon emissions and try. Raid as in it allowed companies to buy and sell allowances to emit carbon up to that cap. So you've got a financial incentive to free up as much of that those emissions as possible. So you can sell the right to admit to somebody else. This is the same scheme as John H sununu the father designed to deal with acid rain. It's a market driven solution. And grant says John e sununu wanted to carry that idea forward on climate change in congress. But more to the point when you listen to John e sununu at the time, he supported a wide range of initiatives to deal with climate change. Here. He is on New Hampshire public radio in two thousand eight. We got the Bill done. It's been signed into law, and we can in should come back and look at that tax package because there are a lot of pieces in it. That are very good that I support tax credits for for for wind renewable energy for solar for biomass. All of those are provision. I've supported in the past and will. Continue to support. So just to make it. Crystal clear, Senator sununu the energy Bill let some this up. John sununu, the father arguably was the most important single political actor opposing binding global treaty to limit climate change. But nearly twenty years later, John e sununu the sun facing a tough reelection and a political landscape in which the most prominent Republican was championing a domestic carbon reduction Bill is putting forward his own climate Bill and talking up tax credits for renewable energy. And so you saw a number of Republicans offering these ideas, mainstream Republicans, even consider Republicans. This is Jerry Taylor. Again, climate action is coming best that we do it in a rational market based fashion than suffice them scattershot regulatory jihad. So so Senator sununu was not an outlier in the GOP by any means, even though there were conservatives on the GOP oppose these ideas back at that time, you can take this position without risking your political career with the Republican base. But the bipartisan efforts to pass an economy wide cap and trade Bill fizzled when McCain launched a bid for president and abandoned the idea. For a lot of critics of the GOP this all prompts. A question were those mainstream Republicans like John e sununu sincere and more broadly are they ever sincere when it comes to action on climate change. Or is this all posturing, what climate activists call predatory delay? You know, I think with regard to climate. There was a certain amount of avoidance another former staffer for John ISA new Sheridan Brown. There were things that he did that he could tout. Cap and trade Bill towards the end when he was up for a tough reelection. But there didn't seem to be a lot of interest. Unlike grant Bossie who while he says, he's very discouraged by the state of today's politics has stuck with the Republican party Sheridan has become disillusioned with the right and become a loud critic of this new family. He's now on the team that believes John e was never serious about acting on climate. If you were truly believing that climate change existed and was caused by by man manmade emissions of carbon. You wouldn't be at the same time pushing for more drilling in places like the Alaska national wildlife refuge. You know? That's. The two are just not. Not in agreement grant Bosse doesn't buy this. You had a bunch of people Republicans and Democrats that agreed that. Yeah. The the earth is warming human activity almost certainly has something to do with that. And it would probably be a good idea. If we could do something about it and lower our carbon emissions in a way that didn't cripple the economy. Always a great emphasis on on. The fact that you were dealing with an engineer, but he wasn't climatologist. He was a chemical engineer yet. Great weight was placed on. Here's a bright guy. Here's an engineer who can think this through is really funny that you say that because. That feels like a sununu family TRAN. Yeah. I'm an environmental engineer. I studied in worked in the environmental engineering field for ten years. So this is something that I know a lot about combined that with running ski resort where we're completely whether bending. Johnnie lost his campaign for reelection to the Senate in two thousand eight washed out of office and the democratic wave triggered by Barack Obama's election. But New Hampshire would go along without a sin new in the halls of power the earth has been sold it warming since the mid eighteen hundreds this. There's no doubt about that. Is it manmade or not one thing? I do know. Nobody knows for sure. Back in New Hampshire. Another sununu was making moves in the business world. Chris new the second youngest of the eight children was put in charge of a very big family project. The snooze worked with a group of investors to purchase Waterville valley. A scary in the heart of New Hampshire's White Mountains a move, which if you're concerned about climate change might seem like a risky one. New Hampshire's winters are already getting warmer and research says that's bad news for the ski industry, but so far Waterville valley has soldiered on after the sale Chris was made CEO of the resort, but the whole family got into lending their half to promote it. Hey, there's this pizza new with the Waterville valley resort. It's been very gratifying for the wholesome of family. Over. But even as he was managing the ski area which included overseeing a major expansion of the trail network. Adding new lifts Chris new was dipping his toes into politics in two thousand ten he won a seat on the executive council, which is an office very specific to New Hampshire. It's a panel of five that share executive branch power with the governor. What was interesting is that Chris new was always opposed to the solar projects? This is another Chris now congressman Chris Pappas he served with Chris new on the executive council at a time when the five-member body was split three two with Republicans in the majority. You know, we would have a discussion and sometimes get to an agreement on some of the other alternative sources of energy. But whenever it was a solar project. He was leading the charge against it. A main job of the executive council is to approve state contracts public money. That's already been set aside and just needs to be actually spent one kind of contract that often comes before the. Anel is for renewable energy projects hoping to receive grants from the states of renewable energy fund when efforts to pass federal climate legislation faltered and fell apart in Obama's first term climate advocates shifted their attention to state level policies and trying to get local renewable energy projects off the ground. Still today. That's where most of the policies aimed at reducing greenhouse gas. Emissions are advancing back. Then I was New Hampshire public radio's environment reporter, and when Chris news on the executive council getting one Republican counselor to flip and vote for them became the only way that a solar project could move forward. You're remembering that very correctly. And oftentimes that's how we tip the balance was just local folks weighing in in support of particular project getting to their counselor or other members of the council and just saying what's the hold up here. You know, we're waiting on these dollars to do something pretty important for our community in his six years on the executive council. Chris Newt never voted to give a state. To a single commercial scale solar array, I take away is that he's skeptical of solar and the promise that it holds more than wind more than you know, any other type of renewable generation. That's been my experience. So from the beginning from his investments in the ski industry to his Taghizadeh toward the solar industry. Chris new hasn't seemed very concerned about global warming. But his rhetoric on the subject has shifted in two thousand sixteen after three terms on the executive council. Chris the new one the governor's office. This is how talked about climate change when he was running in a competitive Republican primary. Nobody knows absolutely one way or the other. Whether it's man-made or not we have to be smart and with myself in the governor's office. We have the opportunity to have a governor that understands these issues now here he is two years later when he was running for re election and had to worry less about turning out the Republican base. Let's be very clear humans have contributed to climate change that that is not a question, contrary to what my opponent may say, I'm the only candidate on this stage that has fought to lower electric rates and here he is live on New Hampshire public radio late last year to quickies on this. So do you now agree with the consensus? Manmade emissions are indeed responsible for the temperature rises. Manmade emissions have a part to play in climate change. Yes. Fact done. Let's move on. Right. What are we go to your original question? What are we going to do about right here? What are we going to do about? And that's where my focus is in terms of what is an appropriate. Not just roll. But position to be in terms of making sure that we're being responsible, we're helping the environment. We're looking at the social impacts, and again, we're just in a tougher place. A lot of other states when it comes to the economic impact already so burdened with these incredibly high electric rates. So what's going on here? If John H sununu was a prime mover publican began to question climate science before that was a safe obvious political bet for publicans to make and of John e sununu was an office at a time where Republicans felt it was necessary to at least put forth some sort of proposal for how to mitigate climate change. What does Chris new represent you might be able to tell it's hard to pin him down. He's not the only Republican who has had to hedge on climate change these days. It's just not a winning issue with their base. Even as the pro business crowds. He's economic opportunity in finding solutions. No matter what Chris new believes personally about global warming. He's working within Republican party at war with itself. It's no longer his older brothers GOP which could get away with taking climate change seriously talking about policy solutions. It's the GOP of twenty nineteen. You can see a very clear dividing line in the party between. Prateep party in postie party. Again, Jerry Taylor of the Niskanen center pre-t party. You could be a Republican even staunch conservative like Senator sununu and argue that we have to do something about climate change. And you were not jeopardizing your career in a primary challenge or anything of the kind nor were you, you know, symbolically speaking putting on a trade over t-shirt by making that argument. Nobody's going to question your conservative bona fees may disagree with you about the issue. But after all atmospheric physics is not ideological and there's room for disagreement about this within the Republican party. But after two thousand ten that changed or excuse me after two thousand eight and that election taking a realistic position on climate became an absolute kiss of death. When asked about climate, Chris new doesn't have much to say he rarely acknowledges the effect that rising seas will have on parts of New Hampshire's small, but economically important coast or that warming winters will have on the just as important ski industry, which his family still has ties to when climate change comes up. He tends to pivot to energy and business. He says New Hampshire's electric rates, which are some of the highest in the country are too high and he's been in favor of bills that lower those rates and has veto bills that he says would raise them in one case vetoed pro-seoul or legislation that passed on a bipartisan vote in a Republican dominated legislature. Now that the Democrats have the majority this same Bill is getting even more support. But sununu is still threatening. Another veto his budget proposal for the next two years. Also, pull money from the state's renewable energy fund, the one that supports those solar projects he used to vote against in other words, even as his language shifts his policy priorities dome. But while Chris new in his role as governor has thus far been cagey on climate change. There is one Morrison new you should know about one who has been much more spoken. So it's pretty easy to sort of Google your name and find headlines that call you a climate denier. So, but it sounds like you're not questioning the idea that carbon dioxide warms the atmosphere. Let's let's talk about what that means a climate denier. Do I is the world warming up? Absolutely. I don't think there's any question in for most part, most of the pieces, I publish one of the first things I acknowledged the world has been warming since mid eighteen hundred this is Chris older brother, Michelson new he's not a climate scientist, and he's never been governor Senator, but he has made himself something of a public figure largely by writing editorials about climate science, by the way, we reached out multiple times via phone messages and emails to all of this new news who've taken a public stance in the climate change debate, John H John e Chris Michael was the only one who agreed to sit down and be interviewed. Remember how Chris has used rhetorical contortions to never quite say exactly what he thinks about climate change. That's what an ambitious elected Republican New Hampshire needs to do to satisfy both the conservative base and the general voting public. Well, the numbers have ticked up slightly in the last year only twenty five to thirty. Percent of conservative Republicans say they're worried about climate change. That's compared to more than fifty percent of Republicans, more broadly and nearly seventy percent of independence. That's a wide Gulf and a real conundrum for purple state Republicans, but Michael can speak his mind his views on global warming are well outside the scientific mainstream. He's sure that observed increases in carbon dioxide are driven by human activities versus natural processes. He isn't sure that CO two increases drive warming versus the other way around and even questions the fundamental principle of the greenhouse effect the degree to which CO two molecules effectively absorbed heat compared to the role of water vapor in the atmosphere. So I think you know, I'm not a climate scientists, obviously, I'm a norm. I yeah. But I do know that I could call you know, after again, very cursory googling any number of dozens of time scientists who would tell me that you're wrong about just about everything that you just said. And I'm curious how you respond to that the fact that it would be very easy to to produce climate scientists who would who would reject a lot of your surgeons. I think what you have to ask is is really what are they basing that rejection on are they basing it on a model form of our climate which most of those rejections will that's their foundation, which I would say that that's models are not science. Here. The connection back to his father's views is quite clear like John H sununu Michael says that the assumptions and simplifications made by climate models make their conclusions on reliable, this is despite the fact that historic climate models have to date done a pretty good job forecasting. Today's measure temperatures, but if John H sununu was personally digging into the assumptions made by climate models and picking them apart and John e and Chris choose their talking points on global warming based on the political calculations of their individual moment. Michelson news views are somewhat different. He hasn't had to create them whole cloth. When you ask him about his influences, he points to a few his name is Joe delay. Oh, he was actually one of the founders you mentioned Richard lindzen. Pobably Yogi toward I think voice Spencer a Judas curry eminent climate scientists. There are voices out there that I think in good voices that talk about the science these figures that Michael sites are a who's who of prominent climate change skeptics, they are scientists and some like Judith curry are actually cited by the United Nations body that evaluates climate science the IPC. They're still mainstream though, their studies are the outliers forecasting much less dire climate change than the rest of the scientific community when you read climate sceptic, blogs, these are some of the maybe two dozen names that come up over and over again in attempts to discredit the IPC their names that are very familiar to Jerry Taylor. The former gunslinger we've been hearing from throughout this story in two thousand sixteen Jerry was invited to New Hampshire to give a presentation at the university of New Hampshire while he was in town. He was. Asked to brief the president of a local right wing think tank on climate change over coffee and we arrive for coffee and to our surprise. There was Michelson. Anyway, we didn't expect to see Michael there. We didn't always going to be part of the meeting, but that's fine. He's an aboard guy. The president of the institute had asked Michael sununu to come along. In Jerry's words as a kind of climate council Yari. And so we had some coffee and started this conversation. It became clear that Michelson new had downloaded just about everything out of the right wing thing- tank world or that showed up on Fox News. The Wall Street Journal or Breitbart or Rush Limbaugh, and he was prime for bear. Just like his father was back in the day. I don't believe that Michelson new had any doubts that the the case for climate action was a as he would put it kind of a cooked up a bunch of nonsense that can't withstand even a casual examination and he was going to demonstrate that to me. So he was off to the races. And I finally stopped him. I said, Michael, I don't know if you know this, but I wrote all that crap twenty years ago. I mean, I I know what you're I know. I know this story, I know this evidence. I know these studies you're offering I know these arguments intimately I was paid to promote them twenty four seven. Let me tell you. What's wrong with them? Or at least why it was that I began to doubt them, but he would have none of it. Michael says he does consulting work for telecommunications. Clients and says he's worked on water development projects in the Caribbean and southeast Africa and helps manage Waterville valley the ski area his family owns and runs. He was briefly involved with an aborted plan to develop a coal fired fertilizer plant in the mid west as he says, he's not a climate scientist. But when many prominent New Hampshire Republicans have questions about climate science. It's Michelson new not Jerry Taylor who they turn to he presents on climate some regularly at the New Hampshire business and industry association's annual conference. Do you think that since you've taken on his mantle of talking about this that your views have gotten traction here in New Hampshire? No. I don't. And it's unfortunate. Because as I said, I think is there is a overwhelming public perception that sometimes I feel like syfy rolling boulder up the hill. So even even with things like getting invited to the BI to present to the BI, a, which is you know, it's a form of fairly powerful. Folks. I mean, it's not there's lawmakers in that room. You don't think you don't think your message just landed? I'm not sure I mean, it's it's it's always hard to tell. But I I mean to some extent, I guess, I'll know the message has landed when I see somebody here in New Hampshire get up and say, you know, I was on the other side of the climate debate. But these questions really that he raises actually has some village validity to change minds. I want them to ask the questions. But even though he's invited to address lawmakers and business leaders, even though he advocates for and against energy bills at the New Hampshire state house leveraging his last name, even though he's in visor to an energy group that has close ties to the governor. Even though the governor is his brother Michael doesn't believe his opinions on climate change matter more than any other Joe citizens. So you don't feel for instance, that I mean, do you get FaceTime with your brother? He's known listening to you know, none at all. I'm sure there are a lot of listeners in the general public out there who think that, you know, the sununu family gets together at dinner every week and figures out what we're doing all ten of you know, it is not and and I I avoid. Talking to my brother about these policy issues one for his sake because I don't think he really cares to hear me complain about what he's doing. Or you need certainly doesn't need me to support. I think the good things that he's doing it. It certainly for his, but for my sake as well. I think the issue is not is not, you know, my family. The truth is Michael sue might not need any special access in order for his ideas. Hold sway. He might just need to be. They're putting out these ideas. So that other Republicans can take them in run with them. Certainly he doesn't have to try hard convince a lot of Republicans. They don't need to put forth any sort of plan for taking action on climate change one thing to climate skeptics in denial of done. Very well is they have made skepticism and denial ISM about climate science, a core part of Republican identity, and that means a lot more to people than being quote right about an issue times have changed. But this noon family is still very much tapped into climate change and energy, politics and New Hampshire Michael testifies against carbon taxes at the state house. Chris veto any law that increases electric rates and their father, John H the former crossfire knife fighter has been known to poke his head back into the issue too. Question. That's the elder sununu late last year in a ritzy Bank would hall with views of New Hampshire's Atlantic coast. He was at a conference that sparked controversy locally because it had a lot of speakers who've become synonymous with climate change denial and not so many on the other end of the spectrum. But the speakers who are skeptical that we should be worried about climate change had a fan in John H sununu. So where does this leave us? Of course, it's anyone's guess if you'd asked Rafe Pomerance, the climate activists who watched John sununu torpedo the first climate talks Nordvik in nineteen Eighty-nine. He wouldn't have guessed that we'd see the questioning of climate science that we've weathered over the past three decades. These e part was a science you put more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere the earth warms up, very straightforward. Who can who can who can argue with this. I was totally wrong. Right. So I thought the science was straightforward. The stakes were enormous that that there would be a response. I didn't predict divisions or think that the divisions. We now experience what happen? But if anyone's got an idea, it's going to be someone who spends a lot of time talking to Republicans someone like Jerry Taylor of Niskanen center, right now, most elected, I would say most elected Republicans are not the sort of blind denials that seem to inhabit the White House. Now that doesn't mean that they're ready to Embiid Asli act, but their minds are open one of the the only common denominator to the Republican party from the time of Lincoln to the time of Trump. And there is only one common denominator is that. It's always been the party business always and as climate change becomes more and more of a problem. It's going to cause more and more losses to businesses to ski resorts to fishermen to the egg industry. To various different other resource industries at to the recreation industry to to a number of them. What do you think the chances are that they will just quietly accept those losses versus perhaps launching legal action against the fossil fuel contra companies that manufactured the products that gave them these losses. We're already starting to see those kind of losses. We seem the from the municipal level. But we we just recently saw them from the fishing industry in the Pacific northwest. And we're gonna start seeing them more frequently I think from the ski industry and others. So that's one thing that could change the way Republicans think about climate change. What if they're favored industrial allies are the ones we're increasingly animated about recovering the damages that are being done to them. It does feel like level warming is having something of political moment right now, we have to deal with this. It's a top issue for Democrats on the twenty twenty presidential campaign trail or planet is in peril. Moderate Republican governors like Larry HOGAN, Charlie Baker or acting on climate at the state level. We have tougher tougher clean air standards. Progressive Democrats have put their weight behind at least the framework of the green new deal. Challenges are one of the biggest existential response group of Republicans, including Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham and Lamar Alexander have counterproposal. They're calling a new Manhattan project for clean up our air, raise family, incomes this fall after a year of fires floods and devastating hurricanes. All potentially linked to the warming trend opinion polls registered the first real uptaking concern about climate change for the first time in more than a decade. But we've been in these moments before and if history is any judge there will be sununu in the room who decide where we go from here. Talk. Forty seven. This episode about side in was produced by me Sam Brown, any row peak in Taylor Quimby with helping Daniel Barrick for prince L, Josh Rogers, Nick kep Ajay, Jimmy, Gutierrez and just in paradise. Erica Janik is our executive producer. Maureen McMurray is director of dynastic succession, planning if you're interested in hearing more about this story, we're trying something new you can find full unedited versions of several. The interviews. We used to put the story together including the one with Jerry Taylor Michelson. New shared a Brown and grant Bosse on our website outside in radio dot org. 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James Pearse Connelly - Everybody Forgets the Size of the Mouth

Decorating Pages

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James Pearse Connelly - Everybody Forgets the Size of the Mouth

"Decorating pages is a podcast dedicated to taking behind the scenes of designs of your favorite TV shows and films each episode. I'll be sharing design stories. From some of Hollywood's most famous sets interviews from set decorators production designers directors and actors about creating the look of tedium film about their design. Inspirations and stories take sets from page to screen hello and welcome to decorating pages. I'm your host Kim One up. I WANNA start off by always thanking everyone for response that I get Two episodes and questions and feedback end. I tune reviews. I really appreciate it and please keep them coming. If you have any questions I hope I get back to you in a prompt the amount of time. I'm starting to get a little swamped already with the prep of the show. I started which the next American crime story for FX. I still have three weeks. Prep before we started shooting. And I'm telling you right now. It's not enough. It seems like Oh you have all this time now. I don't have all this time and I know I'm not the only one who feels this way in my business. You just never feel like it's enough time or money in our in our world put I guess I do. I do try to unwind after the twins go to bed and I am keeping up on TV. I hope I hope you're watching the outsider on. Hbo Because it's really good. I have no idea how Stephen King still comes up with this creepy shit. But it's really good it's a really good thriller and then you lighten up when little curb your enthusiasm so. I love that watching the young pope which I have no idea what's going on but I like it. It's innovative. It's weird it's pretty to look at. It's John Malkovich. It's chewed law laying on a bed naked for half of the seasons. Pretty good so far and I'm watching that documentary MC millions also which is pretty interesting because I admitted I like McDonalds sometimes and I definitely know in the nineties when the monopoly ski was going on I couldn't. I tried to get bored. Welcome Park Place. I think everybody did. That's really interesting. I like that documentary. And I'm we're almost done narcos which I love narcos. It's a lot of reading but it's really good in the sets are fantastic. So let's just a little bit of. Tv I watch if new idea fit it all in but I love me some. Tv This is part. Two of my interview with production. Designer James Pierce Connolly and I would say the less buzzed portion of the interview but we had a good time and I was just listening to this and it really is interesting to me how he runs his career at this point because production designers for like TV our long half hour and film mostly are hired by producers and then put together their art department and Set decorating team their construction and they stack it with people they WANNA work with. They think who can handle the job? And then you know who's available and the majority of every show that that's how this works and you're paid by the company like right now. I'm paid on an effect show so I'm getting paid by Fox which I think I'm getting by Fox. I don't know if it's Disney or Fox or whatever but with James He is hired by the producers and then given a lump budget kind kind of like to spend on the crew and the sets in commercials are also run this way so James. Basically runs a production studio that takes in jobs. It's different than I hope that makes sense than like how off TV film. Productions are run. We talk more about it James has nine nominations and won. Emmy Win and seven archer guild nominations. His designs include the mass singer. The voice making it nailed it. He's he's been doing a lot of. I mean it is mostly all reality TV. And I hope you enjoy a twenty four because they had a lot of challenges with for singer like that. It should just be one submission and adding everybody in the show submission for stage theatre stuff like that like. Yeah we load him. That mass stage we do. Several tweaks changed the judges backgrounder. Whatever and then through the episodes that generally doesn't change. There's an art director and her team. That creates performance looks so she does. I stay as credited as production designer. she's credit as an art director on the episodes to drag out the fan boo forest right and in which is which was which happened in a day and a half which is unbelievable. It's quick and it's amount of work on the mass. It's you spray it down. So you design the stage the interview room and like the judges table and all that good stuff the bones so then when carrick guy goes to do like his clues is that all green screen set that. Someone's putting up. Are you designing those little vignettes of Susan? Mora designed all those vignettes. In season two. There was a lot of their creative and so fun creative and they're really fun in season two. They hired a separate team the same woman. Her name's Natasha. She does the performance looks and the clue packages. There was actually a budget issue. And so they did some green screen in some real sets season when we did it all locations. It was really fun And so they're just trying different ways officiency I think from the networks point of view L. Who's in there? You do take it back what. I just got a random. I just kind of random email because there's a spinoff called. The mass dancer has been announced at and I will say I got a random email about the cast. Ms Dancer that. I probably shouldn't have been attached to do which is really exciting. I have never known the massing. They're super top secret. Even the director doesn't know what no it's true but let me ask you this. They whatever so. They're singing they prerecorded. They're not singing. That live the prerecord because the mask. It's too it's too. It can live voice changing okay. Ten talk they really talking the lives of track. I think they are singing. But there's a mixer right. They've they've sung the song. Yes I get that but like unlike like Silvio is a very talented singer the mask has enough perforations. They do a ton of testing can take the Audio. And so there's there's definitely a maximum sentence. Unbelievable Marina is really incredible. She's he's also been handed an incredible opportunity to flex that power. Did you collaborate with her at all with the with the stage design like a any color? Like should I be now? I've known her we've worked together. We work together on a couple projects before a stage. Show for the voice and world of dances in one I love her. She's amazing talent. But you know when you're like you're doing a show and you respect the other person so much you really don't even need to talk to them like it's just sort of like the only thing that we had an exchange about was. How big are the mouths? Were walking through. They're like they're like eight by six. Okay got it because I have a wingspan on my crow. That's like five and you're like cool. Okay this is a real conversation. Yeah Oh yeah our daily. Nobody seems to ever remember the size of a mountain so either way it's like eight by six. Must email like nonstop That was the early conversations other than that two shoes in her own world and the way the mass singer started to was Fox didn't know how much they were really going to get into it. Yeah it was very straight could have gone very wrong. It started off really like this is like saying before I think got really wrong. It was one of those moments really embarrassing horrible. I walked into my office and I have a team. That was the hookah guys. Well it's over. Rejoined the Mass Zinger. We're GONNA show it's called comes out of Korea and Thailand and we're GonNa make the American version celebrities dressed up in crazy costumes. And they're going to sing on stage and you have to guess who it is or just or just. GonNa do it really quick? We're GONNA make it as good as possible like sort of embarrassed and it turned out of it now. I'm like you I can't i. Can't I thought Berlin nine was GONNA tank? I leave me now. I am the worst. So that nailed it. That was another one we rely on and on and on. It's so funny and I'll tell you this show is so was done so inexpensively look into itself. Look its own nail that project and Brittany my art director of so long. Now we will. We were doing wall of dance season one which was like NBC like money spectacular. And I was looking here. We have this little baking show afterwards for net flicks. They have no money. And we're just GONNA have some extra walls can bring some extra brick walls and pull this thing. Together Warner Brothers is starting to get their hands into some set construction. They're going to do a deal. Blah Blah Blah. Were there were completely out over. Budget may cut the judge's desk. The judges will just sit in director's chairs. And I'm like okay fine fine. We can't afford that desperate. Can't afford the thousand dollar desk? Oh my God wash lex. We put it all in and the judge's desk. Well we cut it out of the budget. We need a judge's desk. This is crazy so he was riots. Butcher Block table we put cardboard in the front. The whole thing was just rental this and like cobbled together bath said demeaning and it turned out to be turned out to be this. A runaway. Crazy isn't that because people watch it's funny too. It's just like a disaster. Yeah it's cute and you know it. You keep talking accumulating these questions sure hold on. How many people do you have in your design team? Okay so I have. It's me an we design everything and then I have a three artists so we work a little unconventionally. I put a lot of focus into the development of a design. I think that my personal philosophy for unscripted television is is that I am the script and I create the situation that affects behavior and so I will ask production for deeper. I regard the`deep. I'm deep but I really love the creativity of these shows Does this guy have like a cat fetish or just like honestly secret is as I just want more time? Yeah Yeah I'm like just Gimme timer develop this with you and so we So we'll get hired very early and we'll develop the production designed long before mass singer. Did you have before it aired or aired taped for taped Probably probably six months that sound a lot. Oh that's insane amount of time my world. You're because you're also you're like eighteen other projects well not like L. This is the only thing I'm working on and because of the shows are multiple project do multiple projects for so many reasons. But you just never can count on them so then they go away. You can work on. Be Working on something and it just disappears. So it's very strange. It's a strange sort of live event slash theater slash television business that this kind of the John Riggs assists in and you get people from all over that approach business wise different name so you never know you can't count on anything and so when you started production designing and then taking on more and more shows when did you start like you basically have your own design company at this point you almost like. You're like independent production designer house kind of. I don't know how to describe it. You know we it some company because I feel like it's very organized you've got projects coming in and out. You have certain pipeline workflow. We have development design studio which is definitely the artists in the studio work with me on the conceptual stuff before it gets organized into production agreement if it does sometimes we do a ton of live events stuff that doesn't and then when if it is organized and it does go to air. There's a production office downstairs. That's that's the art director and set decorator and a coordinator and they with me produce the art. Let's be honest. I'm an architect and I have a general contractor and I have carpenters and painters and it's the same workflow so things constructed out are they outsourced well because of our business mills right. You'll have time or studio time. We basically go to shops and being tilted the union. Yes well it depends on the union brave thirty three. Are we working forty? Four right? Which is which is stagehands or the other. One is television and thirty-three stagehands right thirty-three stagehands forty four eighty are. Will you know this? Yes exactly you and so. How long did it take you to build up this company? I've been working like this since two thousand twelve. What's that that's eight years? So are there other designers? Who Work like this now. I know I sound like an idiot but I really don't know because James Works in a different area of our world like it was very eye-opening to me to be part of that Emmy Panel Peer Group. Because I don't ever get to talk to you on this level or understand y. You know reality. Tv needs different categories and will. Yeah you're right. This has nothing to do with this and it should be its own category and you know and I would hope you. It's the other end of the coin to like. Oh yeah that's why our needs. Its own strange medium. I feel like the one of the reasons why I got on. The voice was as I was a union designer who specialized in reality television. And that's the I mean. Perhaps it was because I had some talent but I really feel like they just needed that. Nobody else did that so I've been able to work in an industry and organize it how. I think it should be organized. Because it's a total runaway train. Nobody really like Oh John. Smith has a production house. Like this like I wanNA mimic that. This is no no. You're doubt that's what's neat unique and awesome is that your you've made you've made it into a business. Yeah of your own. Business is commendable. Yeah and I mean who will soon mark nineteen projects in nineteen? I mean that are on. Imdb that's fun to five hundred thirty five and twenty nineteen and we that's obscene. It was a lot. Don't you feel greedy great year? Now I now I don't actually I don't I feel like By usually so lucky I mean people want you to design that they're in demand well said and that's what had been reminded to say. I honestly Tom will say twenty later. They'll be like Oh James. You're so busy and I'll say to some of my family like what are you. Save when people say that like. I don't want them to think that I'm too busy. I actually want to work on projects. And they're like well. People ought to work with you. So just say that. And that's the answer like yeah people like to work with us we deliver we put it on paper but you're shows are successful also yes. Most of the shows are successful. We really care about our shows. We want to elevate them to the same level that you do. Your shows narrative right. I've just been able to examine our process and find efficiencies in it and And that comes in some additional help but also some just digital ways of fixing things like the art of Three D. 'cause you post a lot of Reality renderings versus reality which I always loved to see. I always love to which I never get an opportunity but I do have plenty of like empty rooms and decorated enough time to but it's like and that's the fun thing of like. Oh now I know who the character is like now. You can see what I've done really you just set it though like you don't have time to post it like if you just had someone to help you previous. It just had a beauty photo. Yeah beyond what would happen if you did post it like you would get you. In maybe yield two more projects out of that because somebody will be so enticed yet so I do self invest. Yes I do hire photographer. Really take those here but that used to be a standard for all of us. There's there was photographers that can haber used to do. Are Probably still does and it was like. Oh we should hire a photographer. Get the lighting guy in here. We're going to do this and I don't know what happened in the last five years. It's completely out of like mind up there. Yeah and timing I decorate with the lights off. I don't have I'm not shitting you. How many times I've decorated with only goes lights and or the house lights upset. I have no idea what this color is. I don't see the practical. No I know we all do it. We definitely bitch and Moan to lighting to be teamed up. Please leave the lights on over lunch. Now he's I just need twenty minutes photos now. It's my own money. I have photos but you have higher. If you want a guy they have to hire guy to come lane like an hour early to turn the lights. Remember that on Parks. We had pictures done and they had to like hire the guy to come in early to turn the lights on. My personal opinion is frustrated with that. That's sad but nobody can do us a favor for that after work so hard on something. I mean. We're making this incredible world. Sometimes it's just a fantasy and you'd think that you could get a photo of it but here's the other thing too is. I got a picture of my film to do and photography luckily on our phones or like I do own a good. Take a lot of my own set photos at this point because on her. If I have the time and I brought my remember camera that day. Which is you know you've got plenty of work. You're fine you're doing the top shows slot are. You won't always doing it but don't you think you think so. I. I said I've said it many times after veep never going to that visit really. Yeah I think people that I've said it to the designer. It sounds like trouble right now. I know but I don't know I just think that's probably that's probably best it's ever GonNa get. That's the kind of psychosis that I feel like. A lot of people go through in our field like like like even after the voice I was just like wow. This is my moment. Yeah God this and then you just deliver another But I think it's sad that we don't have those moments to appreciate our work and have good photos because it does mean something I'll tell you I'm I'm never around for the moments when it's shoot day one and I should be and I watch these. These designers that are around Fisher taffer rap. I'm never around for that. I'm never everybody's wrap gift giving giving rap game. They never remember jackets. Have all the senators like yeah? There was so great the crew was the production was great to us. We got this company that I was there for like the Rehearsal Day. That was miserable. Yeah no I mean and we get like we like at the end of the season. There's like a really nice lunch like surf and turf and like half the time. My guys never out of there out on a run returns. They get sucks as set dressing usually gets screwed up the time on that. But but it's also a generosity and a nice thank you from the producers. It's it's the sediment of like. Hey we should have a meal together like this was really Nice. Thank you and the red parties are always very nice. You do get to like feel like a like this past one. I was like really going to suffer some of my life. I'm like I don't care then like I wanna go fine. It's twenty five an hour. My God you're right then. It's like another jacket another swell bottle I take. These things are granted but you know ten years from now when I'm hocking my good place well bottle or not. Even I got a lot in here. That's for the College Fund. There are probably a lot of older in right now. That are just like Oh my God. I can't believe they're even saying that. I know I'm saying I'm an asshole for saying it yet complacent or like another another. I mean I know repurpose do I? Care? I get him on my size on care capable. I mean you know my I have an assistant and I'll give it to my assistant or whatever. They just weren't glee as hard. They're not included in some of them. Say My parents. Yeah Yeah what else I kid you talk about some of the process of when you. I guess I already. I guess you already went through the process of like the different types of like if you're doing a dance show versus I will say or making it. Our PROCESS IS DIFFERENT. Because it's not this performance there. Although based on people movement everything's based on people movement entrances exits space allowances. Cooking is the same as dancing is the same as singing because just about how people are flowing through space and so Circulation Sir Yeah. That's a good way to put it. I feel like look I've learned is is like they're two types of cooking shows. I feel like they're cooking shows. That are your washing cook. And they're all in one place or you're watching somebody cook and they're running to the pantry or they're running to the ovens of the running back to their placed a crap and they're running so you have to kind of understand which is going to be witch before you even get into it. You have to ask those questions I mean. Did you top chef top chef? I've done six years right. You do the top shifts of like the most interesting locations you did. Like Austin was awesome date or Texas Texas One. But they did. They have a Texas when I did. I did Boston South Carolina California. I've actually done the new one in California again. Oh my God. I can't travel yes. I'll travel with it. You do you travel and then hand off in Colorado and then hand off to the art director for the specific challenges or no set. You yes Okay so we'll do the main kitchen and being interviews and everything that's an in that city permanent set. Yeah you do the set and then the weekly challenges are the chefs table series. The judges table. You've done the judges tables all do. And then they'll ship the jets table wherever and then series team will set up that challenge. But it's the same judges table as a like that big surfboard season and I think it was a surfboard with tablecloth. I think they got away. Cloth being season seven. Great Yeah and then peas. Would I hate that thing? It's hard to do. A desk can be relevant for years in my world. It's all about the desk when dusk is the power of the shows. The judge judges in saying you have to emphasize that in what they're sitting on sitting Adam always trying to find the find the the furniture piece that feels indigenous to the space and It hacking practical enough that it could be that it could be used and it doesn't too produced. The top chef desk doesn't do that. I inherited it. It will it existed. I have modified it tons. It's always last in the budget. Tweak this last pass we painted blue. We resurface the top. We put butcherblock in it. We chopped off the bottom. We sat people lower and I was like guys. This is the last time this baby a judge's table. We need a new desk and it's okay to sea legs. Yeah why are you going to see? Ped- legs come on our tongues. Very concerned people their legs and privacy panel. Well they want them to feel very comfortable but I always. That was weird about the judge's desk for a second please is that it was sort of like surfboard. Sort of wrangle on it and I was like they must do that for camera angle. When they get that shot of like the four of them have no idea why. Oh always started there. I really thought it was for that one shot because it's a season one bad habit that went from it was a tablecloth right. I can picture look the early. Two thousands so in the lips probably was a sexy shape back then and then it's just evolved. No I would love to make it square killed massacred. Yeah maybe just bump that up in the budget next year. Oh my God. I'm very lucky for the two going on. We rework kitchen every year. And it's totally. It's a brand new set every single year. Wow by the time he gets a different city. You're not just like never save any assets. It's brand new. It's a personality per city. So he has to be completed and you see that in the design of it and and for Promo they really base everything off of it and in the challenges you see like the city the personality of the city. It's nice to see how some of these reality shows evolve. That's cute to see how it goes. I I would say I don't watch it on. Put It on it but I please don't put me list but I I watched probably the first ten season. I don't know I watched a lot of top chef. Only burned out like recently on K. Through it did it after Texas. I think this is my last one lowest ratings and I'm proud to say that in now that that's gone up since every season since I wonder why I don't know why the job watch I watch messinger. Okay I do and I'm going to be honest. I fast forward through a lot of it. Not Really Fan of the judges I would say. That's probably the weakest part of the show for me because it just seems so fake aside to singing okay but to say that the judges are the biggest thing on that show. I think is saying a lot. Well truly is the are truly. They're commenting everything they say is for soundbite to me. That's what's annoying and some of their. Some of their guesses are really like really fucking far fetched. Very Mariah. Carey isn't on every show. She's not GonNa do it man because you know what you taping two hours a juicy superbowl though. I will say this like yeah. They were making guesses and I was like I mean I guess that could be true like at this point the show is so big that like Lil Wayne yet. Lil Wayne was a good one that was who carry this week epoch. That was epic. No yeah that was an Anna Curse and I can say your name and a Gershon from Saturday night live. I guess at against Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah no I like it but I love sister wives so I'm watching sister wives. Curb your enthusiasm okay. The outsider is fantastic. I'm watching McMillan's started last week. I still kind of watch the goal burks. It's basically the only thing now. The good places done that I watch on network television. Okay besides Massingir. I taped to the Lego masters. Because I WANNA watch stat. That feels I didn't do it so it was about your reality show to me. Well yeah first season of any. I have a housewife is the best one. Because you really get to see the. Are you watching housewives? I watch yeah I watched it seriously. Okay Oh sister is different okay system. I watched Jersey. I watch Atlanta's on I I don't watch Dallas versus adults was great but I fell off of it. I'm watching Me York Orange County Jersey without Beverly Hills without a doubt. Yeah. New York's best to make new. York's the best really good to some times sometimes. It's like the dog thing at a camp was a long story. They try to seasons of dog. It was like come on guys now. Vicki's gone and Tamra and this official fatty skinny chick. Yes they're gone three of them doors. Gone Theresa Amigos. Yes having a moment yeah. No true yet is literally needs a text while I'm right now in Orange County. Why are you serious right now? Yeah they're all gone. What is that? So who's WHO's the the Kelly died is like the old school chicken is crazy. She's crazy scary like she scares me crazy. She scare well Vicki love. I love them all in. This was a really great season. Kelly is up and down and feeling she's on like There's something really wrong with. Why are you just two quick? It's there's something really wrong like you go over a line once and you. Paul Uber. Line like every show. Would you ever decorate one of those reunions fucked? Do you know how many times I've written into Cohen? Yes I met him twice. Look good though. Look yes I think. I've had influence on that because I have said to him. This looks like a Mexican like pharmacy. Pharmacia are like that one looks like a war house like Andy please. I'm telling you I'll do it for free. Just let me do one of the reunions. The vignette so bad glass bottles everywhere. And he was like Oh. Am eating healthy dream. What he gave me like the whole email. Are you kidding me? You got him now. Dj connerly never got back to me along so you got a hold try. Yeah I went to like a book signing superfan. That's amazing they did step it up. They hired Bruce. Yes you did the clubhouse I did the clubhouse yes here. I want to say this about Andy really quickly. Because they've had wine is I've worked with him and I've worked with him on another show on a pilot this recently and Andy's amazing and he's really authentic and think that I've watched every episode. Watch what happens live and I read books. It is so good but I. That's what I think is a charming about him. That's the clubhouse has such a great history too because when you look back at the old I didn't do the last. I only did the last clubhouse and I did in the new bar and the it comes along. A lot has an old show when he started those office chairs and there was nothing else but that rug never man they actually got that set and he was like he couldn't decide on what it was going to be what it was going to be and then he was like his book shelves in his house. And he's like I just buy my book shelves with my stuff expedites. Yes turns out as I start to uncover and research the history of watch. What happens live when I redid the new set and he is a collector? Kind of like us. Yeah and but like all of the little mementos shows and things and plan this random stuff that you can throw away bottles of P. I was in his office trying to redecorate his clubhouse shelves and understood when I was in his office. Going through piles of stuff. But we're here. Let me in so many things being like and some of this stuff away. Do you remember like before. It's not now but he had these little tiny frames little tiny tiny magnet frames. I had them on my fridge. And they were like him and Diana Ross or something like three little ones in one country and I was at the bottom base. Just as it's right behind. They're heard when we moved into that space. It was I. I took photos themselves on my phone of me. Redecorating the clubhouse Alps and it was heaven. It was a moment and I had seattle spread all of his stuff from the previous clubhouse and then new stuff from his very enriched office of things onto tables maybe more on the floor and then I just started carefully placing in sort of over there. Like that's real life. It's better I feel like it was like so nice to go through and it was because then being a fan it made it better because you could could emphasize what people would want to see. And now knowing while I watched the show and things around he likes to fuss a little bit but it's still kind of like at least there's a sort of cohesiveness. It was a disaster. Because I'm going to say this to you. What is up the lighting? Please tell me that you are not having that lighting right. Well it's a small room. It's pink the Guy I'm GonNa be doing it. I'm just saying well. I'm just saying as a viewer. I'm like I try to just my color like the first when that first couple shows of the new clubhouse came on I was like what's what's the what's it going to limit this. What's going to Bravo? Will this year that the skulls thank the bookshelves are so close to them? They're like really like they're two feet apart. They're like this wall to the couch. I added another piece of embedded. Led into the shelves. Twos laid it on the front lights from the front the back now given its in depth some try to give this object. That's in the shelf unit a little bit of actually talking about the set until my Andy and everybody on. I'm not I'm not I'm not. I'm not saying it about the same like this living like right now. I'm sure if they're soft boxes. I mean and then you did the outside. He has like an outside bar sometimes. Yes yes yes yes. Yes yes the compound. They basically got her new floor and they moved from the production office. Upstairs cores work like that though but aghast at nighttime view of I mean it's black. That's hard because you're not you can't let buildings and shit they generally you when you go to any location with shoot into the window. You're like fucking Christmas lights for that. Do you prefer more to do interview. Type shows or more game show or competitive. What do you like when you get a project? Like oh I hope it's. I love the variety of work that I I love talk shows now I did. Did the Kelly Clarkson show and now. I'm addicted to David Spade. You'll watch what happens live but now I'm like Oh this is kind of fun. This daytime talk really fun. There's a lot of fun personality architecture. I Love Music Show. I love dance like I. Don't actually that much into the game show world and I'd like to be more. I'll tell you I need a variety. I guess it's more competitive. You wouldn't say that top chef is a game show you of a competition. Show something with buzzers. Yeah Yeah I'll tell you though the shows that are probably the biggest and the most are like chapel. Call Them Challenge. Shows like Shows that require like jumping on different obstacles and house shows so like? I'm doing a house show right now. And it's people fall in love in a house and every room is a set and so every room needs all wall covering all window-dressing off furniture all lighting all textures finishes Color Palette. So they say. What do you mean to people fall in love? Like no look bachelor. Oh Okay so did Paradise Hotel and I'm doing another show not sure if it's out yet but for its. Hbo Max and Couples Falling. In love in one house and then couples falling. Love another house. I tell you what nine months ago someone said. Hbo Max they'RE GONNA conversation we're like HBO's putting out another thing. Like I know what you're doing now as please please around. I know like ten people working on like HBO. Max stuff like they are they want net flicks like they're out for cutthroat loose from top secret. They're sort of immune netflix opinion. The way they're approaching television. I feel like Netflix is now working for for them. I really like working for the grace so not only did I. When I got the it was my favorite show. Not only was I floyd for that but it was an achievement of like. Oh my God can't believe I worked for HBO. I know I know. I know it's really nice. I mean as a fellow like TV Geek Age. Yeah it was a premium. Yeah yeah feels like that and challenge you if you look this. Certain challenge me in terms of like making smarter choices. Yes yes and not. If it's not said to you. I had that higher standard of like this. It's not TV it's HBO Yeah We me. Hbo Max have given us a lot of projects lately and it's like I feel really blessed like and they're all different which is which is exciting but yeah they're all they're they're definitely come with like certain standard that you're sort of can't can you cheat can you 'cause I forgot to start with How did you get into this? You quickly tell me I'm GonNa Start with that I'm I'm a child of an art teacher and an architect. Wow and my actually. My Dad helped me influence a helped influence me about how a form of business don't work model and I was really like always in our school and sort of sketching school and then I kinda threw out and was like now. I'm not GonNa do that anymore. And got really obsessed with like computers and science and and then realized that drama club was cooler and those are the people that I could kind of gravitated towards and one I graduated high school. I was terrible at like foreign language and sort of started to heat physics and so what got me physics. I can't do couldn't do wedding maker. I couldn't I couldn't do it. I wasn't smart enough. I didn't click now. I will actually wish do Jones. Of course Yeah Johnson Algebra physics. I wrote ice cheated every says everything in my in my caffeine. Are everyone everything out. I remember the first day in this intruder design class. Actually I'll be totally honest. I had no idea what a set designer was just went to Switzerland drama. I was just like backstage. That designer was I barely. I mean I knew what a production designer was I could. I could sort of guests like a set decorator but I mean I watched the credits because I'm a Dork but like I don't know what all those people were until I worked in an art department. Yeah no idea. I knew I wanted to be a part of that but I didn't know how there was an introductory class and they were like so costume designer. Does this type of lighting designer abuse. This and it was like a why. Sign myself up for this curriculum around. I'm now learning about what am I doing? When she was describing these professions. I was like so really all I have to read a play and like making a Diorama about the play. Michael totally do that. That's pretty easy. Plays are easy to read. I'm this is cool. I am into this and that was that was kind of like my trajectory. I used to do the same thing all at bill. Diorama boxes for you're on the computer and it all fell into place. It was very competitive program. How'd you say I graduated in two thousand and two? I was going to move to New York in Brooklyn and dude like the theater thing but it was conveniently after nine eleven so there was no work. And you know valvoline. Yeah Yeah we're close women school together. I got a Job. I wasn't I didn't know where I was going to go up. Peppering my resume. My College resume to all sorts of different regional theaters. I got a random job in San Diego and San Diego as a prop shop supervisor prop master and I was like. Oh well shoot. I'll take it whatever I mean. As long story short I got the job. I'd never been out to the west coast. I got it. I hired val occasionally to fly out because her family was out in San Diego to like help me so together we built props. That's OPTIMA super random and super cool. She got married out in San Diego and at her wedding. I met just calendar this Kenner. I just can very well. She sat at my table and she told me because I was sort of like officiating. Meeting or like stage-managing bows wedding. This is in two thousand three and and was like she was like you'd be really good in La. You should really think about moving lane. I was like really cool. Blue literally came on like having the time in my life and San Diego making five hundred dollars a week. Smoking endless we wake. My best friend is flying out occasionally. We're just like painting random bred day day. That's the that's the life I didn't Miss Your Act that it was you're gonNA get back to that at some point. Yeah I was living on the beach and really have a lot of fun and I will say. San Diego was great but it was also like I didn't know I was twenty three. I didn't know what was next. And a she said I'll give it some friends and show. She introduced me to a group of my friends. Scott Wellborn fern chuck. Aubrey who were in the variety world. Scott worked for a guy named Bob Keane and Brian Stonestreet and Chuck was working for Scott Story and a few other guys and they were kind of in variety unscripted but they were gay and having fun and going to bars and we hung out and I started to work for any of them a little. Bit Hell's kitchen dudes. No no I made friends with them one and then like every word season my would see them. They're super great for a long time and I haven't seen them. Yeah no the little pockets and that was just rolled from one thing that the next reality was hot and I just we had such a platform in the mid. Two thousand I will. I'm so grateful for social media to meet everybody in my industry all at once. I got to be on their levels of media. Yes but they were older than you didn't give a fuck. They were friends. They were my friends as soon as they signed up at like eight hundred talking about facebook. Facebook your friend on facebook. Well then you begin. You just started to know them. I only joined two years ago facebook. Yeah Oh my God I was anti and I'm right I'm right. I only joined because of the podcast. Oh my God I have never and now I post things so people can see the baby's which is probably really bad but barely posts personal stuff to share all some of that but it was so nice to engage with so many people professionals so great. I got to know everybody so I ain't hustled at meetings. Instead I went to the academy mixers. I went to so many of those and like screenings and all that jazz you how many projects you got going on right now. Don't lie to me okay. Are you ready to Kim. Yeah go ahead give it to me. How many one two three four five six seven eight nine ten ten wrapping up eleven twelve thirteen fourteen right? Everybody knows you can count exceeds giving. Is there anything you like anything you can take on my balls with eighteen schedule wise from a designer this could amass over the next seven or eight minutes one can be shooting next week? Live one could be shooting in three weeks so it's all staggered out. It's not like I don't know what I'm saying it's not gonNa ever GonNa miss of et a rehearsal. So all of the schedules are just very strangely. Listen if I showed you the settlers for American Crime Story FOR THE FIRST EPISODE. You fucking head was explode shirt. Yeah I was thinking like. Oh what's that you're crazy and then I'm like I have like. Yeah you've eighteen says over the next couple of months I've aging sesame shoot like one week. See what I'm doing you did right. Here's your decorator. Why isn't she named Kim? Want up to decorators. Now we should say that decorators don't need to be position in a lot of reality slash. It's crazy I love. I know you are a friend of decorators. Front of decorators perish. Whoa they serve a purpose for my passion unloved decorate. I have decorated before so I love us. You have an extensive little resume of decorating. That was that's what it was. I think decorators incredible value and I will always at a decorator no matter to. Who's expense when you Kim? You have to consult finance some of those things. That's decorator on nailed. It is out of my own pocket well but isn't that a lot of how like right. Commercials work the same way like okay. You have thirty grand we want the sets and we want the crew and went the manpower out of this and that and then you as the designer like divvy up that money. And it's usually like the seth need this much. Can you work for this? This is how many days I can give you. Four workers like that. It's a lot to like and we break it up like that. So the decorative comes out of that and she gets two or three weeks at work but it's small bits. Quick Quick Bites. Chick is ready to take a vacation. I'm like I need small by jamming out said. The last time he decorated was two thousand nine on real chance of love. That's crazy I don't love. You did rock of love with Bret Michaels. My God I used to do those houses in two weeks party. Prep ever to talk. Did you ever do any Jersey shore? I'm trying to that would have been good have worked with that team before ninety five south. It's four ninety five. I'm it says here. Massing nailed it making it now. That holiday the voice. I mean every credit you have is like so huge right now. Confetti never watched always on facebook yeah okay so Confetti Mexico you have one hundred and seventy two episodes and then confetti the TV series. You've to forty nine while get credited on them. So isn't that crazy there? So can you count up? How many hours of television have you ever done? Get your number for my ending. It'd be crazy. It'd be a lot. Well rounded up Bro. What's he doing? It's a whole lot of TV and the thing is the type of TV is very like you. Don't even know but I've probably touched it. It's a mass market. Hey how do you? How do you who washes? Confetti and real discuss done some two hundred odd episodes of this. What is it a huge game show on facebook and facebook land? You could watch it for like two seconds gone. That's cool. What do you what do you? What would you love to work on? You were like the dream project. Gosh I watched the Oscars last night and wished someday I wished to earn that Pristine Gaia not I got a call from potty talks realize so timing really really proud of the family built. Now listen a year from now. Potty talks is going to be the biggest thing it could be nailed it and massing. I'll be hashed hanging potty talk you never know Kim. Yeah I mean Oscars. I would love to well death to think you're like I played. I'd like to the outskirts. I'm that's never going to happen. Beloved design the Oscars. I'd love to explore what elegance means I'd love to do the Oscars. I mean the Olympics. The broadcast radio maybe over the opening ceremony the broadcast via the desk. I love to do that. Big MONEY IN DESIGNING DESKS. A lot of money in desks on my brother's a lot of sports like he's all in od death so much money desks. I will. I will say when. There's so much money in desks when there's so much opportunity in desks. There's a lot of pressure desks over again. Like up causes sitting at your desk. You better be fucking everyone's looking at it. Everybody wants to talk about how it's different. Yeah we got TA. We would do better than that and we did like. Cbs Good Morning on veep and it was like they went through a couple of death of the designer and everything because it was built it was it wasn't like I didn't find a obviously couldn't find you know what I mean. Yeah and it was a lot of discussion of like we WANNA see. Her legs are now. We don't want to see like the whole thing like we went obscure. We want like a privacy now. We don't we WANNA see your legs like it should be taller. Oh could come to their way should be a little bit below their ways. It should be looking at like. Abc like okay. But now with analogous Kelly. Like desks is a lot of discussions of fine art. Yeah how people sit and talk. And then how people sit and broadcast is a finer which I think Kelly Regis Ryan whatever weirdest desk ever. Yes so weird. That comes from the wrong height comes from my history. It's so wrong how people sit and talk shows how you. How are you designing a chair? And a couch is truly an art form. It's all custom. Why Never Swivel Chair? Short back in India Swivel Chair. That's about it but like letterman. Never or like it was never. It's a race to sit to drop their knee. I prop the backup. An stiffened stiffen the seat out and get people to perch if you can't get them to perch on seat level then you put them on a counter level stool but usually people want to sit for a long time with Kelly higher than her. Kelly sits in a chair. That's not custom. Kelly Clarkson actually the way. We just repulsive some frames that we've got but custom chairs. The Kelly Clarkson show was based on the anti talk show. Yeah so it was like comfortable. Hang out yes like honestly Kim like we're here. Yeah that's where she wanted to be. But look when you do other shows you have to really pay attention to that science like Sarah Silverman. It's different well. She needs to look good. But that's different too. I think because of the way it was shot right. Yeah Yeah Yeah. They're paid hundred nuts thing. Kelly just was like I just WanNa have a good time. I don't really give shed so you're back. You is particular about how that seat teach you. Ellen. I've done on a couple of times not feeling homebase furniture but I I just ellen greatest line of giveaways in her on her furniture for that and she's a furniture maker two so she's she's fairly advanced with at all and so hat's is I knew it. Yeah Yeah I think. Letterman being higher. Yeah yeah well. Letterman's furniture was so uncomfortable. That's the way it should be. Yeah in everybody needs to sit like this. I was in the audience twice freezing. I was like second row both times. He's crazy. I like almost the same seat both times. Will those lights are so hot? Will they used to be another early freezing? I remember standing outside waiting. Cause us to wait hours to get in and it was colder inside. Fit was outside and we went like February or something like it was crazy but I'm glad I saw him. He's like my. That's my jam huge. Yeah I was at thirty rock in November for a pilot and everybody's in their freezing their tax off the Moore. We're up in the third row the audience. Oh it's so cold so cold and I'm like is it so called because the stage lights and I'm like they're all led. We're in rehearsal. There's no talent out here. You can turn on the air conditioning. It just needs to be like this. No doesn't this is crazy talk. They're just people just put on cold. Nobody know we all have production jackets? We government last off. It's all James. This was fun. Thanks Kim two bottles. Good job those never going to get to sleep. This is good. We recap the lot talked about all your stuff. I hope. We got our eighty G. R. Oscar in recap. This was way fun. We ate allies times a worth of a lifetime within Chombo near air. We gossiped crazy. It's going to be so much cut. Atavism you've no idea. I can't imagine you're an edited out. I hope you don't make me to know now. We didn't we refined were. We'll talk later. Thank you this is. This is awesome awesome. It's funny I mean he he was really open and honest and I appreciate that so much and the time that he gave for this interview. I kinda thing he knows. Who's in that mask though? Because I've been thinking about it and wouldn't you need to know who's in the mask if you're designing those little vignettes so to ask about that again? I hope you've got a new full. I'm your host Kimana for decorating pages. Decorating pages is sponsored by students. Floaty luxury pool flow on sale now on Amazon oetzi and Stony FLOATY DOT COM Florida. If he got him.

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Brisnet Call In Show - May 23rd 2019

The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast

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Brisnet Call In Show - May 23rd 2019

"Originating from our Jimmy Johns of Lexington studios. Kiss is the prisoner dot com. College show on the horse racing network. The phone lines are open call now. Eight nine six six HR that's eight eight eight nine six six four seven seven six. Now, here's Anthony still and James Scully. Good evening, everyone and welcome to the risen dot com calling show here on the horse racing radio network on the big AM east L up at beautiful bell on park down in our Jimmy Johns of Lexington broadcast do goes, James Scully from Brisbane, that he's in for Rosa producer. Lee dela Pena, eight nine six six four seven seven six the number to call to join in on the phone. What's happening? James big. Glad to be here with you, the hope you're doing well Memorial Day weekend, snuck upon us. It's hard to believe we're already at that point of the counter. But I know you're in full swing for the Belmont Stakes that your time of year. Yeah, it's pretty pretty crazy. Right. James. This thing is we got to this point already in the year. It's like it's. Completely flown by completely flown by it really has. Yeah, I mean it's kids. I mean Saratoga. I mean you're counting the weeks almost two it already. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No that about that allows just about seven weeks away. Get ready to head north soon sooner rather than later. We got plenty to talk about great week in recent coming up. Let's get right to the phone lines can is in Pittsburgh. Hey, Ken, welcome to the birds net dot com. Calling show. Are you doing? Quick question Saturday. I got a complaint about a racist Belmont, Park and. Everybody talked about it twelfth race the last race. If you watched the head on Leo. Brian came home with a sixty four dollar winter, but I'm shocked at the horse came out of the gate, native complete left. Turn it took out five horses pay sixty four dollars. And I'm like, well, you know, he couldn't tell on the pain, what happened, but on the head on and there was a what objection. So my comment is if you get a chance to me favor watch that race. I'd love fee to make a comment on it sometime next couple of I mean, it was stay right with state Ken stay right with us. It's funny I was alive. I was alive to four or five horses. You tell me, I need to see the head on of this. The header watch the head on. And what I was the name of that. And I look it he'd made Bioern look like he was straighten the Breeders Cup. That's how bad it was. And the fact that it wasn't even an inquiry shock. You can get those head on, on twin spires a big now. Yeah. Now I got well. Right. Well. I know when you come out of the gate the way they look at it, you got the whole race try to make up ground, but he impeded the other horses so badly that the race starts in the pin it it's unbelievable. Wow. And shocked turned around the jock even turn around. And look, no, I did not see this. I did not see this. Unbelievable. Wow. I don't know. I just so disgusted. Not the fact that look, I love Leo Brian wins three races that year and all this is over sixty dollars. I'm like fifty now but the point is, is that I just don't get what it wants the jockeys objection. Yeah. The seven eight nine the seventy nine were all affected and the jock even looks back. I know. And the only other kind of they have is I had a big Zach of war, and will and Owen Dale, the and I'll tell you right now, Rosero gave that ten and unbelievable writing all day speed was winning on the rail. And when he got to the rails, I don't know somewhere around the people that horse exploited Giraldo's five wide. And if it's the other way around he's won five. I mean, I was heartbroken, but Veron Farrand through on Owen Dale and he was like at least five watt he was watered than that. I thought that was I, I mean it was unbelievable how to Owen Dale off the turn and what really got me was going down. The if you watch the head on down the backstretch warriors charge, the other Cox horse with Keselowski on the lead. And he's at least two or three pass off the rail in war of wills like hugging, the rail, which is the best part of. The track and not even taking Cape pack really from warriors charged because he wasn't like taken advantage of it. I didn't think so Owen, Dale yet for that, you know, watching that replay of that race, it's amazing and, and you, you bring up a good point. Ken, I mean because you even mentioned Bioern and it seems like just I mean, even ever since that I mean these stir services don't even take a look at the start of races anymore or hardly ever and done surprise me there whatnot. Get objection because. I mean, and it's trouble take an issue that really gets under people's scans. Because. You know you can be so reckless coming out of the starting gate. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, thanks, guys, Levin show. Thanks can give me some Osita 'cause I was alive faint thousand dollars. I think to my I'm, gene. And they didn't even look at that. That's interesting stewards about that small. I would. No, I will. I will. And I know what I'm going to hear what you'll hear from every Stewart of North America that it was out of the gate. But I, I like to feel about it, though. I mean, do you think like Byron? I mean do you think he committed a foul out of the gate? I mean, I think he'd not share belief like right out of it right at the start. And, you know, I mean I it's all hooey how could you? Tell me the gate doesn't count. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Are they the bankers? I mean, I, I don't the I think there should be more of a like, I don't know. I a more serious look taken at it in, you know, because it is it can be. I mean the start of the. Seeing like, you know where there's that gap in this horses. Typically come out and bouncing each other. But I mean sometimes you will see just I mean, some I mean that's what I mean I'm not a big believer in absolutes right in, in life, especially in horse racing. I'm not a huge believer in absolutes. So, I think every situation needs to be dealt with accordingly. They had at least take a look at that. And I don't remember there being any kind of inquirer or anything back to the phones we go Pete on Long Island. Hey, Pete welcome to prison dot com. Joe? James. Thank you, my great show as usual, Anthony. I crapped out with improbable again picking him. And I got took another beating. But I won't you, I tried Pete. I tried. I tried everything I could to tell you the pitch him. No, you're right. You're right. I should listen to you. I really should've. But, you know, his is the kicker I would've never had ever fast. I mean, I, I saw nothing maybe Joel Ario. Here's what we here's what we need to do. We need to do. And this is what the game's all about an unfortunate that I've just thought it to learn this in the last few years, I didn't. I've never learned enough for my mistakes, and I've started to and was my mistake. My biggest opinion in Preakness one forty four was improbable couldn't win. Why the board? So now I'm taking the two one favourite out of everything, right? Mike second-biggest opinion was, I don't want nothing to do with another twist fate. So now the favorite and the horse that's taken a lot of the. You know, the sentimental money, Kelly, really the first woman trainer to win a triple crown race. The local horse. He's won six in a row. I've now taken the in, in my mind, I have taken the favorite, and I've taken one of the other three choices completely out of the equation. A fifth century. My third opinion is the only two that could win a war of will. And bourbon war. The yours I thought to win the race. Foot ninety dollars. Well, no, it would have been. Yeah. It would have been ninety dollars ninety dollars now would have been less than that. It would have been. Yeah. Would have been ninety dollars. It would have been one on top of ten for fifty cents is, is, is forty five dollars for the try and the same thing. Yeah. Just a complete botched up on my part for the triple fifty cents. I don't even remember what do I wanna know what a paid probably myself aggravated paid, right? Yeah. It's bait hundred dollars pretty Jack. I forget what the triple pay. But it pays to wheel sometimes these races, you know, like you take two two keys and wheel in the second and third position and hope for, you know, I don't know. I really I listen, I might need help with the Belmont, 'cause I never sent triple pay twenty three hundred forty nine dollars. I wanna puke. Now. This is great. I guy calls and tells me about the inquiry and now I gotta look at the non inquiry now know that's how, you know, Ed, hit it because he liked war will and laughing FOX and he was pretty much doing exactly what you said, Qian those two, he keyed them with everybody all but improbable, and that's how he hid it and, and it, but he said, if he wins have photo, he also hit the super because he did the same thing, but he like narrowed and second for the second and third of the try. He just did a fifty cent two-horse over however many without a probable in that same way. And it was funny in both the derby, I mean, improbable was like six to one early Saturday on derby day maximum security was favorite all the way until the end when the odds flip-flopped and improbable took all this. I mean, enormous amount of late money when it was the same thing, even in on in the Preakness. I mean he the gap between him and. War voile in verba war. I grew late in the day. I mean, enormous amount of money winning on him, and both races, and he didn't hit the board in both races, so peed. All I could say as tread lightly if game winners you're picking the Belmont Stakes. No, I I'm gonna listen. I don't know. Like, because don't as Belmont, I have no luck. But I tell you one thing before I hang up to Kentucky Derby, just Mark my words, any preparation that had the best timing, like maximum security, one forty eight ninety every year that holds up the winter remember that you could go back and look at your race forms and go back to all the preparation you'll look and you'll see from right or wrong. I'll have another always dreaming, people that just California chrome all those horses had the best prep timing. I go by the fractions, you know, minus the links, you know, and the links so you, if you look at that you'll come up with some good winners. I mean with the Kentucky Derby, the Preakness Belmont at something different. So I don't know. Thank your lucky. Li you gotta thanks for the call Pete. Luckily, you have a the bee's that Valmont disposable. There you go. Telling sherline this on talking horses today. It has been fifteen years. This is a pretty impressive. Humble brag here, it's been fifteen years since I went back to back without cashing ticket in the Belmont Stakes. Impressive. And last year yet. Hoff berg. Right. So, yes. Yeah. So yeah, you're that's that is. I mean that's the money year. Yeah, you're your odds, salute sound pretty good in that, that perspective. I'll tell you a long shot that intrigues me just real quick on the Belmont. I don't know if he's good enough. But is intrepid heart you know, he he came stumbling out eating get off to road. I don't want to. I don't want somebody else, or game winner, any of those right. You don't mean commissioners little brother somebody else, you meant to say another war. Yeah. Eight nine six six four seven seven six takeoff. First break. 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Tell you Thursday. I was off. I got to spend three hours on the actual race. I didn't work the card on this card on Thursday. I spent three hours on the race. Normally I spend one hour on the race. I did it three times. And I came up with war will every time strictly from a pace standpoint. And I, he, he got the exact trip that I spent three hours on that I got in that trip every time I couldn't see him not getting that trip a long story short. I couldn't decide whether it was win place and show that or trifecta one all and then place show money. So fifteen minutes before I just want to realize that I'd rather play the one all, and then just back it up with a one four all improbable was full goal to me. But I had to play it because if the. Four ran second at tickets, not valuable, but long story short, the reason I did it was I didn't wanna have the wind bet, and then watch the Tribeca pay the moon, and I'm sitting here hold and you know, a couple hundred dollars to win on the one looking silly. So I bet the one all, and then I had placed in show money on war will. But I gotta tell you one thing, I heard, and I don't know if it was Ed to Rosa James Scully last week and my memory's doesn't correct me. It was that. Yeah. He said, well, I been like more will. But now that his odds are down. I'm not as hot on him. I agree with that, if he goes from one to one two, two five, but even if he went four to one I don't know, in my lifetime, and I've been doing this forty six years, not as long as some people in my lifetime. I don't know what's wrong with four to one. I never 'cause you're don't even think you'll like this with four dollars a show if wrong. Money on the back end. Listen. I couldn't agree with you more George IV, gimme four to one off four to one. If I knew now, if I had four to one if I get four to one another because I'd like for the rest of my life. You'd never hear my voice again. Retired you understand what I'm trying to say. One two, one question about on out and listen, three two one four two one, one in the Kentucky Derby, is a lot different three to one of four to one of the freeness at Belmont. It's a lot different. It's a lot different. Yeah. Game. But I gotta tell you real quick how I watch the race. It's funny. I heard somebody on Steve BIC say they never even know who got second because the NBC's feed was so bad showing the loose horse express long story short. I had at the pool all day all day with my headphones my phone. My race. Inform. My magic marker and my pen and was underneath an umbrella with my cooler and was on the express bet Pimlico feed. And it was a great way to spend a day. Yeah, it was that ten looks good. You get everything. Thanks for the call judge. Great hit, you know, great job. Yeah. The, the, the all balls friends. Sometimes like I said, if you don't I didn't like him probable like sound like he didn't either. But yeah, I gotta find a way to make money in that race. While we wait for the phone lines ring, eighty eight nine six six four seven seven six. Time now for the blurs news update and look at the top headlines from Lois dot com. I work from maximum security since Kentucky Derby in his first official workouts being disqualified from victory in the may fourth grade one, Kentucky, Derby, presented by Woodford reserve Churchill Downs rate, when Florida, derby, winner maximum security reason. Easy half mile may twenty second at Monmouth park, turning to teen of slow breezes, which trainer Jason service with maximum security, head of the derby, the son of New Year's day Cleveland, four fifty three and four moved ranked twenty fastest of the twenty one at the distance slow breezes have been the norm for maximum security work, three times upon those between his March thirty Florida's every win as talking to every run where he was qualified to seventeen on the far turn each of those removes the slowest of the distance that day also working was Japan's mass Defensor who's being through June eighth rate. One Belmont, Stakes his sixth place finish. Kentucky. Wraps up tonight to this update, the blood or some Weatherbys willful stallions at that has a wealth of continuously updated information on eight hundred million, including recent that's foles upcoming entries. And we resolve the app is free and worse phones, and tablets now of the after eight or go to global stallions app dot com. To learn more. Back out to the phone, lines, we go. It's Eddie on Long Island. Hey Eddie, welcome to the prison dot com. Call in show. Big as said he'd be hit. Hey, how are you? Good. Hey, listen. I just wanna give a real boo. Boo. The Brian Gumbo HBO on that. What show that on the night, and I will never watch it for remedying as most one-sided esteem. Thing I've ever seen in my life. Matter of fact, it turned to about ten minutes through it and wondering, why are interesting can't. The organization or something, you know, reclose of hetero. I think we're coming close to that, that he's referring to train. Righty Baca, by the way, is main mainstay on the near Christmas. And I think what, what he's referring to Eddie's referring to the real sports on HBO special that aired during the week, I have not gotten a chance to see it yet. And now the game of thrones is over and combined with this. I probably will get rid of HBO subscription. Yeah. You know what everything that's happened this year from the problems in California to the derby inquiry to the loose horse experience, at, at Pimlico. I think we'll get closer and closer to. I don't wanna say governing body, but someone who's going to really take the horns and pick a bull by the horns and straightness out and, and get everybody on the same page at the very least from a PR point of view because it because from what I'm hearing about this, you, not the first horse, one horse, horseman, or horsewoman to complain to me about this is that it needs to be refuted, and, you know, we need to. Better term punch back because right now it's yeah, we need the punch person. I mean, there's no person. Yeah, I need this. I want to see this. Coming out of the Kentucky Derby. I mean, it would have been great to have John Asher there, you know, to be like, at least talking to the media the next day, and or you know, even after the race. And I will I will say, yeah, I mean I mean, obviously, California such a huge part of it the loose horse though, in the Preakness. I don't even think that was that big bad thing. I mean that got a lot of. Of. You know, I thought positive social media where you know, nobody was down on that horse like running around. It was amazing that he was doing it like that. And it goes to show how these sources do just love to run in love to race. They also show what's his hang on oil, ship the slaughterhouse, and it was so biased. So disgraceful of Justice. And, and, and we really we really need to punch back and they, they thanks for your time, man. Just a little listen to you. Thank you. You gotta be thanks for the call. And thanks for, you know. You know, bring it up. I like I said. I have not had a chance to see yet. The plan is to get to it over the next few days from what I was told the by some friends and colleagues that have seen it, and I'm going to be pretty angry and upset, and it's probably better. I've come to learn James that. While it makes them more entertaining radio. It's probably better. If I'm a little more even keeled when I turn this equipment on, on Wednesday and try to get through Friday with passion, but without a lot of anger. Yeah. So I haven't yet, but I plan, I plan on watching it over the course of the next few days. And I haven't seen it either. And I did read a lot of feedback though earlier about it. And yeah I mean it's like it. He said, I mean, I'm sure it was a. Parts of it were unfair and inaccurate in just don't but it's unfortunate, you know that it's out there that kind of stuff, and it's all in the wake of you know what happened earlier this year big a. Yeah. You know, and that stuff's unfortunate, and if you have seen it or you wanna talk about it or talk about any and everything thoroughbred racing was a call. Eight nine six six four seven six look it's unfortunate. I don't think anybody really tried to rush anything under the rug sweep anything under the rug as what happened California this year. You know, you know, this is this is this is a church down show. But I think even we would acknowledged that the strana group to an extent one out there and, and, and at least made themselves visible enough now, whether whatever happened after that happened as far as Peter and everything goes. But at the very least there was communication, and there was. You know, community everybody was incommunicado. It's just it's unfortunate that it happens in. Yeah. The mainstream media is going to grab a hold of this and, and use it as a chew toy. And the thing I heard about the show big a was that they started at the very beginning mentioning what happened at Santa Anita, but they were unable to craft that argument like with the people, they interviewed at tot two out there. So soon as they make that point, then there's no correlation to, like, what happened or whatever. And they went and they featured Penn, national or Penn national Charlestown, mountaineer track site that, that. Have been targets before. Right. Right places that have been that have had some. I'm trying to find the word. There have been some incidents in there have been already been some controversy, if you will. Yeah. Again, not surprising. Right. For whatever reason, mainstream media in this country, especially in this day and age. Takes the negative and shakes like a Utah Dogwood shake to tie and it's, it's unfortunate. It's really, really unfortunate that, that they don't champion and highlight the greatness, allow our sport. And they, they opt to go that way. But, you know, it's almost like a sex sells kind of thing in this case, though, it's, it's, it's gore. I guess it doesn't make any sense to me. And, you know, I'm not gonna sit out here and say, I'm a I'm an angel. But I, I never understood, you know. And people say to me while you say you defend the game and go after riders and stuff. All that's different. You know, the going for somebody for doing the job in the industry, or if I think, guy gives a guy are gags bad ride. That's one thing that's part of my job is to be a critic, but, you know, inside the gates, it's our world. We, you know what we say is a lot diff. From the outside or say, what is in my eyes and. Yeah. Maybe, maybe it's time for a time for a spokesperson, it's time for a governing body, if you will. I don't know I'm not one for thirty but. Maybe it's time. I, I don't know eighty eight nine six six four seven seven six. 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You know, you're talking about the problems with the industry and public perception and all the rest. And then there's certainly a lot of problems. But some of the problems have been created by the horse racing industry within. And I don't know if you knew but this past weekend with the running of the Preakness, the strana group did not supply the feed from Pimlico to a couple of tracks that are affiliated with search downs with fresco downs, for instance, Pennsylvania, Louisiana downs. And I think that America Online, they did not provide the seat, you could not bet the Preakness at the off track as the site at, at presque isle downs, for instance, you didn't even have the feed of the race there. And when you're biting, the hand that feeds, you the actual people who go to the track and bet over petty disputes within the industry about, you know, all the things that go on. I, I think, you know, the industry really needs planning on, of its own, let alone the actual product, which, you know, my Suu TRAN of, but that kind of problem, you turn off the people who support the business, and I think it was just plain inexcusable. I mean, if you went there to go out to have been there. Bet the races watch the Preakness the same went for black eyed. Susan day was it were the pillow feed was not there on both Friday and Saturday. It's just in excusable. Unfortunate. It is it isn't, you know, James works for see the I so I'm not going to put him on the spot to answer this. I'll take it. It's inexcusable. It was an I mean, you know, it's. Yeah, I know I know people have affiliations with different. It's. But this is our. Yeah. No, this is your hour. We want you guys to call with anything and everything, you know, that's why I'm that's why I'm here. I'm here to, you know, where here for the most part, but I'm here to, you know, to be the swell scary, as this is the voice of reason. That's that's a bit. We're in a bad place if it's on, it's on me. Yeah it's not good. But it's, it's unfortunate is what it is. The end is has lots of problems. And we know it has problems. There needs to be some recognition of both from the PR standpoint and a business standpoint. But my gosh when you go to track and flame. One of the crown races Stanford. She track because the tracks is affiliated with a competitor. That's that is just the worst kind of pettiness and it's certainly was a huge turn off and almost embarrassing, frankly. Yeah. That's a good word for it. Let's go work for thanks for the call. Loop pre sheet it as always. Eight eight eight nine six six four seven seven six and look, I get there's a business aspect to everything, and, you know, we trade, these signals and sell these signals now and it's a competition. But, you know, when you deprive the fan. Nobody. I don't understand how anybody thinks they win when they deprive the fan of the ultimate experience of being the racetrack. Yeah. Way around totally agree. It's unfortunate. I mean you see it with these big events. Whether supreme NS or the art Trump like SADO like some places have had that in the past, and it's just like right. Yeah, it's like you, you said earlier, you know, racing's getting closer to some changes you would think. I think it isn't. I think part of the reason the fans gonna stand for much longer and a good for them. Good for us. I should say I'm a fan from anything else. Good for us. Good for us Eriksson, Texas. He's on the line. Eric, welcome to the prison dot com. Call in show. Hello, eric. Hey, I just had a quick question for you. And I found out that his started listening to programs at this point, but horsera- pee more than the average fair. And I'm just wondering one of the protocol for declaring someone like happening Preakness, is that was one that, you know, closely would be no out close that thing on started. I would have lost a lot of money on the first question about this coming at six thirty seven. I thought we had a lot sooner. So and Jud and I were talking about this on the afternoon show. Yesterday. When I first watched the incident, I said to myself, automatic, nonstarter, automatically got to give the money back and then Jude made a very compelling argument yesterday. And I we watched about I half a dozen times last night. And I agree with. I, I don't think the worship have been declared onstar. I'm completely backing off a statement I made I don't not think the worship remaining non starter when the assistant starters are in the stalls with these horses. First and foremost to protect the horse and rider. I know gamblers don't wanna hear that, but you know what, what those horses, we don't have a product. So I'm okay with them being the first line of defense the horse and rider are are the utmost of the utmost. Importance when Bodey express acted up. Not only is it the assistant starters job to grab him and settle down. It is a I would imagine I've never been in a starting gate will resource. But I would imagine that as the knee jerk reaction to grab and settle that. And now it was unfortunate that he was in his hand when the gate, open. But it wasn't like he was holding him because for no reason he wasn't just holding them to hold him. He was trying to settle down. And then, the, the latch sprung, so he kind of did it to himself. Right. He and he was pinning John Velazquez against the side of the stall. And yet, I mean that, that could have been that was going to be a disastrous break, potentially for the horse if he's like leaning sideways into the jockey. I thought the optics were bad, because it looks like he's like holding him back. I mean. Definitely hold him. But I think you know, once he like bucked out of there just let him go. I mean I don't think he pulled him back. He's trying to get the horse so he'll break properly and safely, correct, right? Yeah. John Velazquez set it at the start. He didn't blame this starter. All he was like the horse, acted up and was like an EMMY against the side of the gate, which is a perilous situation for the jockey. Well. Well, is it not, it's really not even the stuarts call to declare non starter. If you do call. There's no it's a sewage call this, because the stewards, obviously have the angles and everything, and I'm gonna be a little bit of a wise guy here. This is what everybody gets betting on a mate in. Well, I mean, if you've got a real, Eric, he might have had a chance, kind of report, you so high listen, I try to that. The reason I did was hitting all, but I mean the nine could Iran in there just as well as the course ran second guys. Come on. I don't know about I just one I don't know about. I mean, I didn't I didn't have any argument about about the call. I was just wondering you know what, you know, not L. Let's say no, let's say can thanks for the call. Let's say he was just in the hands of the stall of the assistance daughter. Let's say, you know, like all the other words in the race he was in the hands of the assistance daughter, and he had an acted up, and he was just he, he just didn't let go of him on time. Again, up to the stewards to make that call. But I think it would have been a for a longer process, and you would hope it would have ended with a different outcome. But because he kind of did it to himself and the star was, you know, you, you basically, if you refund that money, you are condemning the star for doing what he is being paid to do, and that is to protect horse and rider and have a fast start. So I, I didn't have listen. I had plenty of all buttons. So I would not have minded a little bit of a refund plenty of almonds. But I the right call was made. So eight nine six six four seven seven six hundred two Preakness James. Nine again. Okay, good derby day on the card. But I did like one horse did like on Friday and was my lady Carlin and naturally. She opened up nine to five and a sort of backed off a little bit. And then. Right. At the, you know, the rice she went off three to one eight forty, but I think that's going to be a nice Philly from Cox, obviously, he had Kaffee undercard who was a preconceived per star. That was unbelievable one of the most impressive performances of the weekend that Philly. I mean while one seven they is that time been confirmed. I mean. I haven't said anything, right? Yeah. They haven't said anything. Of a minute, and a second and fifth second and two fifths. And I mean forest wildcat an extra heat. To crack crack sprinters held that track record. And she just annihilated. She did. I mean, and I, I didn't even think her last race. I know she was coming off a winning Keelan, but that track that was a real speed favor and track that day. And boy, she got laid in, in, in deep stretch in bear just held on, you know, maybe the winner wasn't going to catch her, but it was still like that was like I mean, she looks like she's going to be tough as nails in the test, and, and those races coming up in New York. Yeah. Looking forward to. To that division with that Philly looming. For sure for sure. Eight nine six six winded. Asked me sin. I mean, I'm like Kate asked me sit on the Belmont undercard. I mean, you gotta pay Ticha to me when he wants so many races at Churchill Darby weekend, and then that New York central. I mean, I just couldn't believe the way that Saran. I mean he had another good weekend on the Preakness. He and. If he comes back for the true north. See if he comes back for the strike powers, pointing to Norfolk info he was a big winner down golfing, for Mark Hannigan his return. And he's gonna have Matola in the met mile, you know, that's gonna make Donna. My yeah. Great race. All right. Let's take one more break. Eight nine six six four seven seven six. Join the action when we come back, we'll wrap up this edition of the prisoner dot com. Colon show here on the horse racing radio network. Bris net dot com. Call in show phone lines are open. Call now. Eight nine six six h r r n that's eight nine six six four seven seven six. 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Welcome back to the president dot com on show. The big A and James Scully. Wrapping it up Christner jerseys on the line to help us do so you can still give us a call at eight nine six six four seven seven six. Chris, welcome to the show. Hello, chris. Chris. Going once going twice. Chris. Hello. Yeah. Hi. You're on their Chris Christie. Hello. Yes. Good. Chris. How're you terrific? Here's a horse out there. It's got to be going back to mass every Sunday on the name Catholic. Boy, what a special course. No, you don't love the horse happened to catch the horse when it beat that analyze penalize check round and then caught him in try, how close did you dollars when I in a plastic, but single them Saturday picks five leading into the decent score? And my question for you is. At this point. I know what you're learn only what older horses in training. I know that turf in third one older horses in trading better than that or on the third, if you were to take a future fed on the Prius classic right now. Who do you take? Wow. I I wouldn't it's way too early for me. It is no great older horse training. Cleaners Cup classic will be at Santa near this year. So you would start with, like gift box and McKinsey my. Oh my. Chad. I mean, if you create a horse agree, I hope to God. I hope the God, those are the first choices of rediscovered. I'll be firing away somewhere Christmas, right athlete boy, I mean, it's pretty sweet because we've got both him and world of trouble this year who are running on both turf in Dr old school. Yeah. Oh backs man. Love and both became a Catholic believer this weekend. And that was that was a cool rice. And now he's gonna go in the suburban. Yeah. Welcome aboard. To raise you always look to see a hoist e something special when on his hat allies. It went by him and teach stretch list, here, late ahead and Dc stretch. Three to five Catholic came back and won that race. You're looking at a race for the tremendous amount of heart and then analyze it did it a second time when half in front of him. And he rallied again and you know it's just a special horse. I drew even money. So I was a lot of money on the wind bet, but it's open, hope teach five pick four around singling him and told him as a kid and got an nice score. And I'm really looking forward to seeing the throat in the suburban I'm looking for the same. The worst Saratoga and try to win a stake race at Saratoga, two three and four. And then I wanna see that hoist do something, a Prius class be pretty remarkable. It's a good point too. Chris, thanks for the call of the within the within tissue, easy for me to say the with anticipation when our as a two year old Travers winner at three both at the old Spahn will see a narrow so many. I mean you know, you could see something goofy, like a. Depending on what they wanna do them. They can go Whitney four-star, they can go Whitney. But odd baroque they I mean as so many options with him. You know, he's one from seven and a half to a mile and a quarter on the web with LeVine mile. Yeah. Whitney would by mile. I mean is so many things they could do with him. I'll tell you this. If they know what's good for them. They stay away from bricks and mortar on the. He's not beating bricks. Yeah. Well that's the thing is if he's running in the Breeders Cup. I mean it's it's the one thing about the races is is that the mile and a quarter distance of the classic under a better fit. I mean that's a little bit of this, you with bricks and mortar, whereby you know, chats like, hey, I'm a stretch him out two mile and a half and give it a go. But I think he's a little concerned that he's sort of in between the mile and the and the turf mount half distance of turf. Yeah. I mean, you know, it sounds like he's running in Hatton Virk, some water, which will be an interesting test for him to go to my Milena a quarter, because it always gets good feel the Manhattan. So I'll be very excited to see them in Hatton. I'm always excited here on Belmont Stakes. Are you coming up? No et is. Okay. I'll be here. So all right. Well funded other Waltzing Matilda William Owens in Houston Owens on the line. Hail welcome to the bridge's net dot com. Calling show. Thank you. People didn't understand on ever. Science go back and watch the holy book. That was the best five lied run down, the stretch, share those same people can tell you to watch the found a youth in the Florida derby, can't they own. He's paying the odds. I went over and under on the exact is pretty good. What I was looking for nail Roman city ready to runs played it. Good for the any BU name sack. Yeah. Oh, in Dale should have been an easy try fi. Amanda, the try. And that was a click their big. I went up and down whatever Fezzani exact big a and that's it. I mean, truly ever fast and market king, where the two biggest like no hopers in the world. So I mean it's, you know, I was stunned to see it. I lost track of laughing FOX. And at one point I thought it was him. So I had a one eleven exact I help. I played the race one too. I boxed one to eight eleven I went one two with one to eight eleven with all in the Tri and I made some examined inexact boxes. Well, because, you know, again, I spread but didn't spread enough. And I have absolutely positively. Learned my lesson I will spread a little more. You know, in, in on the big days, I absolutely will do that. Especially when you know my biggest opinion in the race was improbable can't cash. And if you feel that way and you now the race now to really to win contenders to outside shots again, gotta make money if he's off the board. You gotta find a way to make especially in this day and age James. I'm giving myself Alexia essentially, but especially in this day and age fifty cent tries and dime, supers-. You gotta find a way to some money in those fields and those pools, I agree, wholeheartedly. It looks like the Belmont could have a decent size field again. I mean, that's, that's always, you know, that mean I'm always happy to see at least ten in these triple crown races. I some good bedding races often. Yeah, I agree. I what's what's the what's the racing plan from Memorial Day weekend? Well, I mean we definitely got you know, we got Santa stakes going on grade, one stakes out there the shoemaker and gamely New York has. You know, New York bred stakes day, but yet come to percent dot com. We've got all the reports this Memorial Day weekend. Andy Harrington for California Bruno for other circuits including California. We got Churchill Downs has big single six carryover going on so yet percent dot com. Check out our reports and all our formation where wherever you do your racing this weekend. I'm at Churchill Downs on Friday and Saturday, and then I'll be there all week Belmont. We when it's up there in New York. Nice. How about yourself? How's everything going with you at Belmont? Everything's rate will be here, all weekend long breakfast at Belmont, all weekend, long Saturday Sunday and Monday, always loved that program having the kids come out and teaching about great sport. And we have a real real fun time with that. You get pretty comfortable in front of the camera, aren't you? Yeah. I love the count. Was my friend cameras. My friends from my friend for a long time, although Andy's early, paid me a great compliment. He goes, you're really good on TV. You're even better in front of a crowd. I did is. I did his at the post live radio show with him as a guest last year. Saratoga closing Thursday, and he said, the man, you really know how to work a room. I love working crowd. I love I, I love the TV. I love a crowd. I love just put microphone in front of me and I feel very comfortable and something in life with your great. You know, everybody here on the network does a fantastic job, and it's not easy to do. Now, people I tell people all the time, you know, especially with the talking horses gave, there's plenty of people that are just as good as a handicapper even better. But you know you gotta entertain. And you gotta, you gotta know how to, you know, you got get your point across preview it and apsolutely make it. Yeah. People can say, oh, well, you know, I could do that. Well, come more than welcome to come given. What are you doing all day Belmont Stakes day? What are your are you working that day or I'll be hosting? I'll be doing talking is in the morning. The BCC a auctioned off a couple of tickets, we got a couple of tickets for the Belmont at the Kentucky Derby party. So I donated half hour, my time to go over the card with the winners of those tickets. So Margaret Gardner and her guests will be here. I'll go over that with them a couple of other folks going to be here. I'll do the win place show. My man, Joel with the out at emerald downs. And then I have talking horses and undercard for HR beyond from two to five. I believe what's your mouse game? So, so you will you be up in the press box watching it. I'll be up here. And then I always go downstairs me, Christine, usually slum around for the Manhattan. She's getting dragged into the paddock ac- bricks this year, obviously, and then we'll watch everything downstairs. I like to watch everything downstairs. Yeah. I enjoy being down crown you'll get a little bit ahead. Derosa. There's well. Yes, yes, yes. We're doing dinner Wednesday and Thursday and probably some pizza over Teddy's two weeks from now getting ready to head over to headaches for the annual HR in party. Desolate t a big look with your Belmont Stakes pig. Jim, Greg job is always, we'll talk to you right after the ballot menial route the triple crown. I think all right. That's how it's going to shake up. Ray job. Thanks to all of our callers. Thanks for sticking around with us all day long back tomorrow at three when live racing from Belmont and Gulfstream. We can stay preview tomorrow night eleven Saturday stakes in all until then for James sculling legal. I'm thinking Anthony spiel hope you have a look night. I hope you all photo finishes. We'll talk to some are what three.

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