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James Kennedy and Raquel Leviss, Everything You Didn't Know About Them
"They from Vendor Palm Rules to Vegas and everywhere in between. It's time to party scene. This is and then again. And now here's your host Sheena Shea Alot. Everyone thinks for listening. We're podcasting from quarantine again but today I have my boyfriend back goes with me. What's going on? Hey Oh hey how are you? He didn't do it every time. We do a podcast. You always like ask people how they're doing but then there's no in there. 'cause I learnt Melissa More I learned. Yeah okay well. I'm excited because today for the first time on my podcast we're GonNa have her cal and James in my podcast before but I've never had them together. Raquel Welch bodies yes so give me one SEC. The squad is hair now when I mentioned squawk my view hi guys. Hey Sheena. Hey Hello. Hello what up that. Well so we we kind of have your whole squad here. You're so right before you guys came on. He was just sane. Oh my squad my squad so explain fortnight only a fortnight reference. Yeah I'm not on the squad. The fourth person is Brett Cap. But he didn't need to be on your on our squad today. Euro squad supported. Okay only cheerleaders in law for nothing. You can support me. I'll do the leading cheers. And then you guys are the squad. So yeah how his quarantine live guys. Ben Corentin life has been pretty productive for Jayme productive for me. Because I've got home studio our make my music and you know for me life just make. I can't make sure I eat workout shower. Make Music James will literally spend hours in our home studio hours in one room looking at his computer making music and I'm literally going stir crazy. I have the same surroundings every single day. I'm losing my mind but James Somehow is thriving and I feel like brock is kind of like that way to you. I mean I'm see that's another thing I want to ask you. Guys is the difference of being in a house in an apartment in Quarantine. Because like here. We definitely have more space. He can go in the garage and do workouts in his video. Pullover the sunny skies here. It's been raining and we've got a little grass area in the back where we take Graham for walks which is nice thank God we have that because like I'm thankful we have that but yeah it is definitely confined space in the apartment. Definitely Jealous of your house in Palm Springs ones at save. I'm having a party like a small under like fifteen people party but I'm going to still be out here for my birthday and I was like away but I can't like have people over so that's okay. There's bigger problems in the world and my thirty fifth birthday winter middle middle aged going on. I feel like it is down the middle aged more plenty in front. I thirty five was kind of a big deal for me by. I mean my birthday. I always make a big deal but thirty five. I was like I feel like this is one last reason to have like a big celebration until forty five years the pie between now and your home all right twenty one next week so we'd probably home so is there anything in quarantine live that you guys have like learned about each other they're like mannerisms or pet peeves that like you. Maybe didn't notice that you do now that you're together like twenty four seven remain about what? I'm I'm shocked. I thought John have a whole list of pepease anti now. Well it's like. Sometimes I get upset the dishes on done on history after he cooks. Yeah okay so I'll wake up in the morning edition and things. I'll put those away. I made breakfast. And then there's more things so it's like okay. I'll put those away tonight. It's dinnertime dishes constant constantly so I'm always out of silverware. Some go paper plates. And that's another thing because when I'm cooking like a filet mignon and asparagus and mashed potatoes won't play not on a fucking pain over there here for me. Yeah you're right. I I just feel like thinking like confined spaces. I feel I feel like I'm thinking of you guys location where you live in them. Just thinking like cellblock now know we have. We love our apartment. You know we've beautiful view of Hollywood and I see the hills every day and I'm very thankful for the kitchen. We have definitely make do. I'm quite the chef so I'm cooking up steaks chicken fish salmon. We got it all. Go in and actually my cooking's goes have gotten better because I've been forced to cook every day and I know we should be cutting still skills. Were already fantastic. It's yeah mom. He's so good and they catch and brock mix like. I don't even know how he just like creates these things like from nothing to Mike Whites but yeah. He just made a weight. I May Day right. Yeah you just meet those. Those caves actor each other. That's not the other day we're back coachella weekend already long. Yeah I think we don't mean street one. Yeah if not I mean. I talked about owner doctor anyway. Okay so one thing I want to mention one thing to recall them and I want to get into a big thing about James Your Sobriety Fi. I just have to say we're all watching the show this season. I mean every season I was telling broadcast the other night and we were watching. They said recalls by far the prettiest Auburn Vanderbilt Fox. By I just wanted to say like from you've been on for four years now and there is just every season you have always kind of like same with me where we can tend to be on the outside at times but you've always been such a strong person and you really stand up for yourself when I feel like people like mistake. Your kindness for weakness and I just literally love so much like watching you stand up to law because it's like a la La or Dossey with like nice girls like us like it can be hard to speak our mind and I just want to say I admire you for that and I actually like. That's one of the things that I was watching the scene with the law. I was like I felt like I kind of have lost that the last few years and I've just become even more positive and I'm just like whatever. Let them walk all over me and then I see you and I'm Mike Suck. Yeah yeah definitely. I think that's your compassion. And your client is actually a strength as well like so like. I'm Josh. You can stand by. We'll mommy not changing my ways improving invites doing the same thing. That's the strength in character and I. It really speaks one. That's what you've actually what you've done for yourself so well done thank you. I really appreciate that because in reality. Tv In that world. A lot of it is. What's the word you are? Sorry what am I trying to say? Mike? Your show a fake reality. World now expected to spectrum so all over the place and so jerry hang in a in a large way like large way. I'm not over the top and that isn't me so now I am realizing is okay to be like the kind girl that's compassionate with other people and that's who I am and I don't have to change that totally but I just. I love seeing that when she's like oh. I'm going to remind you of your place and you're like Oh we're having a conversation. I was just like yeah. I'm pretty sure the point I was outside with Danika going through her shit because we are not remember this happening. Like how do you have been around the same time but by gender? How long have you been on the show? You said four years so he is. How long have you on? The shirts will same fin on one so I feel like I think I think it was like a big one. The biggest one for me on that one. Is You count? I actually saw that the other day to like I feel like women to empower the women uplift each other you content around and turn better than somebody else and that's just the characteristics so I think law responded to you and I think he'll respond to she. She reflected on her actions as well. So that's that's my input on that one. I just wanted to say that before we get into too much of that because I just think it's really good and relatable for someone to be able to see that like the nice girls do still have a backbone and I hate when people call you dumb. It really pisses me off. I'm like I'm really not remind everyone what you have a degree in as so few of us on the show have degrees but I have a degree in kinesiology and emphasis in occupational therapy. Yeah she's smart people. Come on this have been. I've been in quarantine. I need to go to the doctor some of that. But maybe you could check it out for outside. We don't know we'll figure that we know workouts on and just stop in halfway through in his yelling at my clients and keep going with a bungalow eggs. Yeah okay the one of the biggest things that I really wanted to talk to you about James as how proud I am of your sobriety. How many months has been now ten months two more months for a year DASA months for? Yeah Yeah June fifth. It'll be excited for that. Yes how good feeling. Good this last. Ten months have been an absolute blessing for me and I've read discovered so many things about myself I've rediscovered. Dj In my passion for music. And I've come to terms of what I WANNA do with my life and how I WanNa do it and I thank God that Raquel stuck with me until this moment because I feel like sleeping until the last ten months my life. And it's just. It's a crazy awakening for me. You know I take things in differently and I'm just blessed to be here and I'm just so excited full. The future. One years I grew up I grew up with addictions in my family. Not a lot so my sisters. I mean I've seen her go in and out but she's she's crushing she's on fifteen years law and so. I think personally for me growing up I learned my lesson from my brothers and sisters so I love. I love that to it and I know that they've struggled so I could just from edible going up with that Bar I don come one year on. I'm not the biggest social drinker either. Like it's funny. How it with your friend grip you guys have like. It's always a drink in hand on my hand but it's so comfortable like when you go to a club I walk around and I'm down to have okay. I'll have a water allred born candy but it's like I still feel awkward. Sometimes in a group settings have beverage in my hand. Yeah yeah and it was a moment me when I I quit like you know. I'm still DJ. I never took time off touring. So it's like for me. I was still around and there was a little moments like everyone's doing shots like in hotel room. Or whatever like you and it's like Oh yeah that's doing right now and if I you have to deal with like the first week Two weeks denial of people around. You like Oh Yeah Sean James then and then you get through that. And then say oh. He's being serious. And then you know you start. Kind of like in the clubs. Dj and people like do shots and stuff like that say known. Sometimes you seem like the party pooper. People soon realize that you're not pretty soon as I get on stage and I started doing what I do. The fucking room turns up and that's the time I'm sweating. Probably most of anyone in the room. Because I'm talking out here doing work and get off stage. I feel this exhilarating feeling that I can't describe it's like I'm high but I'm not you know it's like what the fuck did I just do. All these people were looking at me. They won't photos and I'm playing music and you know it's it's really is just something. I I didn't see before because I was masking with this numbness. The alcohol gave me. You know I wasn't seeing what was truly around but now let's see and it's a blessing. Yeah well I just wanted to say that. I'm very proud of you. I've seen such a change. Whenever like I get asked in interviews like Oh. Who Do you think's changed the most? I think they're always expecting it to be like. Oh like law here. You know like someone who's like become like worse since the show. If I really think about it I think James has changed the most and in a positive way thank you. I really appreciate that you know like when looking back now on the show and watching me like you know go ham. I saw I was we were watching. Bravo and vander pump roles. Reruns were playing and I saw your episode your wedding episodes. Yeah like Oh my God. Jayme shooting is getting married. It was so funny I watched the whole episode and then I saw James Drunk his drunk in Iraq especially Kristen. I was like Oh man. I'm like I'm so proud of you. Like I see such growth and him and it's really for the best. Yeah I enjoy life way more now. It's awesome sour grapes. One Hour. No so there's there's a there's like a two part question from two different fan so sour grapes wants to know what are some positive changes in your relationship and then at Salvador Twenty Two D. A. Dot N. T. Wants to know is the sex really better ones sober sexist better so and I think spend a lot more quality time bomb. I'm not worried about where the night's GonNa go if we do go out. It's always a constantly got like I'm going home. Yeah a McGowan. Okay now go ahead but like I'm ready to go whenever she wants to go now because I'm not looking for that. Final destination of getting fucked up. I I think yeah. Exactly take that look at the success that comes from that what you get in review so much at home in bed nice and I wake up refreshed ready to go take on another beautiful day. It's a blessing and I'm thankful for that and works taking off to. I've been DJ more than ever. Now that we've been stuck in quarantine I've got whole ep about drop called jungle of light and I'm super excited. I was going to be released on all major platforms. And I'm just doing this. With people recounted my studio up real nice for my birthday and cool it the neon jungle and saying. I've seen that. Yeah I do my life streams and stuff side. This music has just been created jungle of light who we got workout. You're GonNa help me I gotta do. Sheen is room for her condo. Surprise Input Session has gone. We're turning her own bedroom into podcasting and youtube studio four months quarantines over the second bedroom my apartment completely gutted right now and we're going to order a neon. It's all happening sign and I wanna just kind of started transferring everything more to like at home like have like a Youtube Studio podcast studio. That's really cool. Yeah I love that. That's a great idea if you have the space for that it's such a good investment because now you take every dedicated to so much more professional even my little studio now. Do my live streams. And we've got this. Tripod fits perfectly on the table. And I'm just like damn this league. Say Yeah thanks dope. It's feeding of all that Brooke. Hal I think you should start a youtube channel. I have been wanting to start youtube channel. Ever since Youtube was a thing like in the middle school I wanted to start one. But I don't know I'm like I over. Think it too much. I'm a perfectionist. I'm going to take way too long. Editing videos I like now that we're in quarantine. I really don't have an excuse so if I really did want to make a youtube channel. Now it'd be the time right exactly and I have an amazing person who can also videos. I mean I only post one so me to do a job by it no seriously because the majority of questions a lot of people wanted to ask James Sobriety and your beauty tips and tricks and I just feel like there are so many like beauty videos that you could do but also like what I'm doing is just like a lot of the stuff that people don't get to see just the two of you at home together and like all of these moments that you get chopped up versions of but like I just I don't know I think you're thrive on your zero. I made a youtube channel. It would be definitely makeup like glam makeup everyday makeup. I learned how to do my makeup through Youtube. Yeah talking through. Brad's ex girlfriend. The author carly by Paul. Yeah I don't remember watch videos. Yes so I feel like that would be really fun to do. And then like of course around the house behind the scenes I would. I would have loved to do like video of me. Redoing James's Office into his studio room. But right now we ordered a few rugs and we're like amping up our home space because we're spending so much time at home. Yeah that'd be fun to film something like that because I love interior design stuff. I learned technical. I love that. Well then yeah. That's how I mean. I think Google Youtube what I really enjoy about. It is this gives us a platform but again like things that people don't know about you guys like for a great way for us to express these little things. Let's go if we will go a youtube channel. What would be some things that people don't know about you well? There's lots of union that people don't know brock. Okay giving me out because I would do. I would do James in the kitchen segment me just making accent cooking them stakes talking about sources Paprika. Baso Pepe Okay. Down with that. And then I'd like to do some studio sessions stuff like show people how I make music how I start some creativity like. Where does it come from like? I've got a lot of it and I just want to put it out there that's awesome. So that's what I would do recalibrate you. Interior design style beauty stuff. That's I don't know I'm Dan Cooking Interior fucking gaming. Show already channel. That's a that's a good spectrum of audience. Roy Who's your audience the world you're GONNA GONNA show on your audience got for. There's a youtube channel. This woman teaches. Our cat had a toilet and it's only dedicated to that. It's a thing like there's this chat thing that goes on top of the toilet talking. I'm looking at my friends. Literally doing it right. You train your video. Content cuts the comeback. There's a woman that has like one hundred thousands of scripts describe it. It's just from showing people how their cat can P in the toy over like a couple of months interesting poop in the toilet his own guys. I was disturbed by this story. My friend sent it to me like that's why I'm talking about in some meet. The parents Jinks here. Whatever their cat's name is only capable but that's a real big guys. How Pena Toll Cat in front of it? Free Pal? Good when you were growing up in southern California did you see yourself on a Reality Show. One day absolutely. Not You know. Even though I was nominated most likely to be on America's next top model gene so gorgeous. I love that I knew I wanted to live in L. A. I just didn't see myself on a reality TV show. Yeah another question. I came in a lot of people. Wanted to know if you'RE GONNA DO PAGEANTS. Oh my gosh. I've been going back and forth about competing again. I age out when I'm twenty seven so I have two more years. Yeah thank you yeah I always get that pageant bug always bites me. I do now. I have such a growth associated with my partner tree because I it pushes me out of my comfort zone and I love doing it but I feel like I'm at the point now where I really do know who I am and what I stand for as a person and it took me a long time to develop that for myself so I feel like I would go into it stronger than ever. So maybe we'll compete. Yeah let's see well if you do. I want to be there okay. Side note I'm teaching. These cast appeared and toilets. Oh my God I just started watching the video and I'm very interested and if I can catch to stop walking in the litterbox and tracking it through the house. I'm sorry Dan the TV's cats had a p and a toilet anyways. Let's move on to more topics you can watch that youtube video hunting or catch on later. Yeah what are you doing over them? I started watching one of these cabinets. Tricks anyway okay. So yeah they suck you in scribner's that's it by what we're going to put that. On next channel boom cats hashtag category million people actually one of your first training videos on county which ball brock taking on a leash. Man Shirtless Go. Oh my God you were so I have to ask Rick how what because I know a couple of days ago? You did law laws podcasts. And I've been asking you for two years to do my podcast and you knew if you did hers. You had to do my but you should have done my I i. What made you change your mind for both of us. I mean we're both getting you in the same week. I feel so special. You are very special. Both very lucky girls. Because I didn't want to do a podcast at all but here I am. I don't know I guess because Vander pump rule what's happening with Vander pump pearls. I feel like now is a good time to don't know just speak up. Yeah represent myself. And I'm not afraid to address things. Yeah And I love you so of course. I'm GONNA do your podcasts. Thanks so it was like two seasons ago on the bachelor honey. One of the girls on there's like a pageant queen and Raquel Ni- like she was like our favorite on the show and I was like okay I was like well recount. What if I can get her on the podcast? Will you co host with me? Because I was going to trigger into doing the show but then it'll be fun. Hunger never got back to me and didn't happen but not much for so long. Where have I get out of this? You come check out the new shoot. Are you GonNa? Have you put me to work on together? We're not just saying Looking at the camera on now this. Give me the head shake. No I'm I'm in. I'm we need. We need more human interaction. Yeah a lot of touched on this before but a lot of people want to know. Do you have a specific skin care beauty routine and also your hair like please tell everyone. Is it all really yours? It's not all really mine hair. Call it's not I have taping extensions from hotheads. They are the bomb and my hairstylist. Barbed hair yes. When I get out of the House for bars she and the Studio Salon in Northern California but she comes down to la every six weeks the civically to do my hair because she loves me so much and I'm so lucky and then she'll take other clients that are based in La But my hair is not truly long as very thin and fine so having that extra hair creates volume that I for sure. Well it looks amazing and a lot of people wrote in about thought. I mean I know you have exceptions. But I don't know if that's like known and it just makes people were short hair full butter. It's like okay. It's actually I could have. I buy that I met. I met recalibrate. Well Not Really Meh. We hung out. I mean who was? Nebraska was sitting on the saw. And I remember thinking of supermodel. Who is this James? You look good. Yeah personals like she liked Miss America going on send me and I was like with her by the embarrassment of cabins. Run on like the misfits at dinner. I Love I was so happy. You came the honey because it was like you got to meet everyone but like in the craziest setting and that was like a big test of like okay if you can get through like that like so you earn as Ronin. Their First Public Appearance Bravo on legs. I mean it was pretty cool to see like the people. React to you guys even when you went up on stage of James when he was DJ. Actually just these people but this is new to universally universe like you do it and also plays into this oath front stage. When you're doing the splits you couldn't see me in the crowd and even call me thirsty for Donald. You know what guys I'm thirsty for Mrs. Kay this vomited. I don't know if you've seen any of my wagner that we had the last one that we did. It just reminded me when he did that. I just left the camera rolling for awhile. Because he's always like we have so many of these good moments that we don't catch because it's like we're like okay. I need to make up for the VLOGGER film. This and it's like you just miss those moments so we set up the camera and it was last Tuesday when I was like. Oh the shows on and I was just like really sad about it and we got a really cute moment. So if you guys haven't see mobile just check it out because that's like the most like real self and that's why. I think you guys should do Youtube to cause us to capture those moments that you don't always see one. It's the summer. Will you convinced me? I'm going to start on my youtube channel. Okay so how was it doing lawless podcast? A lot of people have been saying that. She's not genuine that she's only like apologizing to you because she's looking bad and whatnot and obviously we all know her way better than the audience. But do you feel after the way. She's active the last few years towards you. Do you feel that this is now genuine and you see a friendship blossoming? I do think it's genuine. I think well we've been in touch. She's we've called each other and spoken because those last two episodes were really tough on both of us and after viewing it you know. She reached out to me because she was like. I have a pit in my stomach. I really don't feel good about this and I felt the same way. She said the same to me. So I'm okay. Yes we were on the same page together and she over the phone. She apologized to me and it was very very sincere. And I feel like you know who might not forgive this woman. She she's obviously going through a lot and that's her personality is huge. Yeah and you know. I'm I'm a forgiving person and I'm I'm ready to put all of this behind us and I do see a friendship. Blossoming that makes me feel happy too. Because she's I know she's reached out to several of US recently. Young and there were some things I said on my loss episode of my podcast and I was like I am genuinely hurt by some of the things she said. But I'm like I'm not gonNA text about it. I'm not I WANNA like sit down and have a real conversation in person. I don't WanNa do that. The reunion like anything Mike. Because everyone's like if that bothers you the monarchy say something. I'm like I just want to like we've known a long enough. I want to wait until I see her in person by. I think the word of the podcast got back to her because she also reached out to me and said shared a partner summit for her she had been acting towards me and I was like. I really really appreciate that and like that was all. I wanted to just acknowledge that. You've been a deck because like we've never given any reason to act like that so. I'm happy that she's coming around and I think it's really genuine. This time. Thinks she saw the footage and she was like Holy Shit. Did I actually do that? I think I think it. It was a wakeup call for her. And I think we're on the same page now. God and I mean especially with James in her working on music together. It's good that like you guys can genuinely be under good place and I love that. That's the thing I love about. Our show in our group of friends is like we can really go out each other but like there is so much love there that it's like we always figure it out but then someone else is in figuring it out so it stays entertaining by. I love him. We have these moments because it's just like it's so much harder to not get along with someone to me like it takes energy for me to be a bitch to go. It's just like it's not natural for me so I'm happy that you guys are in a better place for real clear. Brock wanted to know. How did you guys meet? Tell us actually Lala actually asked me on her podcast so I went into an in depth story. I know I noticed I. I know he had asked me before now. Like I'm just going to let them tell Hambo and all his james that's good shit. Tell this story a dressed. I told my side of the story to Lalas populace. Let's say you so recalcitrant table seven right next to the deejay booth and obviously I noticed it it because I was like. Wow this really pretty girl sitting right here with her for the family wanted me but she comes up to me and she asked me to play beyond say a couple of hours before. Like countdown went. And you know I I normally don't take requests but for Raquel ever and I played outside like every summer paid like ten never plays beyond us play the whole album and play single eighties and see if she stood up. I think he knew I was single. I got that vibe and I had actually show after the countdown on Sunset Boulevard at this legendary spot and it was like an underground brave thing super bowl and I was teaching as well so I'll obviously wanted to get this girl and bring her to my neck spa so I did that. I asked her to kiss her midnight. And she said I guess we like. She came over to the deejay booth. We did that whole thing that I asked her. I current friend to this party. There's an amazing. I actually lost my cell phone. She lost her cell phone right. It was New Year's Eve and I lost my cell phone at this party and didn't realize until the next day so then we had a scavenger hunt for that. You got a good so you're sick. Yeah I on A- that's when they started dating because remember we did their anniversary. Dinner with them weren't taller. Steak place are good storage where the medium in this is the medium between your stories between you two stories the pretty similar. I feel like he's he's heard me. Tell this story so many times because I love telling the story. Yeah I lived it. He lived I WANNA do some fan questions and comments is on. That came in and I knew you would appreciate this rebel at have an essence said Oscar couchville severely gorgeous and smart. She is serving. Elwood's to me. Oh my God right you. I'm honored Heaven Ness Sense at having ESA. You're so sweet doll I was like. Oh my God elwood's she's going to love those at Lindsay g Nichols wants to know. Did you guys feel that? You're portrayed differently on the show. No I feel like you know. Obviously you don't see every part of us because you can only show a little bit I i. What was the question do you think like your portray differently or do you think like what you say that what you see is I think so for me? I mean obviously like on Tuesday nights episode when they ask when I said I WANNA cheeseburger with. Oh Yeah I know I explained to everyone why I wanted it with cheese and the reason why is because I get so you can imagine the Times that I've gotten cheeseburgers without an order number back. What the fuck is that? So we got to make sure those teams to say a hamburger but police get a cheeseburger with cheese. You know you. Just don't see everything yeah conversation. Yeah did you well for me? I mean I've been like this about the first years of the show for me. I just wanted to always like turn out and be crazy and I think that it's me you still think you're still young when people meet me. Oh I didn't know you were so your source taller than I thought I think people really scrawny and not the case like six one six one with three. There's another three common that came in from Thomas Line side. They realized how much Fan Support. They've had they had last year when they were hanged up on so there are a lot of people rooting for you. Guys have comments that came in. Have you guys felt? The love? Felt Lavin honestly. I don't read like all my that. Just can't do that but you know I scroll through. Sometimes sometimes I'll read like the first couple of words and if I find it like open it up and just the messages you guys sent me about your story and your sobriety stories where you touch my heart and and it's those things that keep me going like okay. I'm not going to drink tonight because something like that happened. And it just reminds me to stay stay. Thankful I've been feeling the love from people reaching out to me on Hell's being seen for the polly. Lehman that she is. I know I. I've always wanted to say that. Speak up like you know. It's in these past years. I mean you say that she's the best at it and it's just like you know it's tough for her to get her word across. And this I feel like hard work's getting right across the me. Oh I thought I was on this show. I think it comes down to like how he sided conversation about like yours. Listen and and the reaction that were Callaghan to an issue. It was it was. I'm still going to be the same person I am. And she stuck to that. Now Characterize Kylie Greg to that being the girls just because that's what you are and look. I think everyone is seen it and they really see that traction of this stability of a good person. So that's cool that we can hang out in your all muscular. I mean for a second there. I thought I had to change something about myself. I thought I had to change now. I ask bigger and more entertaining but now I'm realizing I don't have to change any no not at all. I think one thing too that I don't know about James. Actually but I think so that one thing that we all have in common is getting bullied younger as a kid so I think when you know what's I guess we have that back story and to see you stand up to a quote unquote. Bully is very empowering for everyone and I commend you again for that. There are some other questions that came in about the new cast. And did you want to ask one of those are Kerry? Because I feel like I feel like the show I saw. How do you guys do you guys feel excluded from an divide between what's going on on the show right now? How do you guys fall into place with everybody? I this year I feel like I have been the least excluded I've ever been. Yeah that makes sense. I feel like I've been pretty included in everything. I was shocked when Katie invited me to her. Why I was like yeah. I was like okay. Yeah I'll be there horse like yeah. Of course I would love to come so I duNno. I feel like it's pretty good. I mean I. We obviously weren't expecting to go to Jackson Britney's wedding at all so I feel like we. We didn't feel left out. Yeah and not moment. Now I feel left open now. That means that everything in life happens for a reason. Yeah Yes to do a second winning team. Maybe I'll be. I think that would be very happy together. Yeah I just think that any of the cosmic has come on. Maybe I feel like coming into your friend. Group is we're CALC pro contest is very difficult avenue James. So now you've seen the third wave. Could you say a third way or even? Just the new wave of the costumes. Come on do you think. Sometimes you have a conversation and you look at them. You did you just say that to me right now does that make sense agendas behind conversations or generally think that some of these people on the show are just generally on the show to segue or might be just just WanNa work at Sarah and have fun with a group. I think everyone's different and I definitely think that there's some funny stuff that they say you know the funny show audience you catch people drag you guys keep going on giving cast is handling themselves really well like really frigging while they are immersed in this new environment. They've never filmed in front of a camera. Crew before and they they're killing it like Dana 's killing her comedy and doncaster. Because hilarious you bite this week I died. I must've watched five times. Says one of the best things I've seen this season nine. Leo's and Pisces don't -magine she goes and she's like trust me. I've dated into Pisces. Strata was quite. What did you say should I? It's not my problem. My phone's been at low behold like flirting between Leeson Bradley One. Oh you guys are offering a cheeseburger with cheese. Okay and then. Someone had elite cheese steak first off. Did you get cheese with philly cheese steak cheese with each vinci saying what is is that a thing I've ever heard of? It was the first second second off if it was a thing how I don't think the thing I haven't heard it before I think that They were both pretty buzzed at that point of whatever it is they think the thing. I just thought it was just completely inappropriate and I was just laughing because this shock of it was is a tiny. It's funny I mean. Come on how could I not fucking love? She's saying fantasy and you know after watching. It was right after the whole thing. Between Britain Lisa. Dana Birthday Party and I wasn't wasn't Britney's his personal China for like two days. My highlights highlight of that Oblast episode on Youtube Ice Shows. But what's watching Ken? Kenza reactions release was the best because he was just like. I'm John Straight I was like. I'm a jealous of Brett. He's young he's a young man. How good hands that much of a Boston? That like that. And he's like woman. You're not doing that book. Kenya where the paints but I also wear pants to act much. Was that date. Awkward outlaw underscore laws wants to know if it was his awkward in person as it came across was awkward at all. We had fun like cheese on your cheeseburger. Hungry Cheese steaks like it was like I was focused on food but it wasn't as awkward as it came up now. Yeah I just I was like I had never heard the fat pussy thing so didn't know that was the thing and on that note. Thank you guys. Finally doing this together. Ricco the great. I love podcast. I'm going to see more. I want to see more of this. Go TO QA support. You guys obviously fun to do it with a friend. Yeah and one Florentine is done. You guys laughter come over. I'll make you dinner your birthday. Yes and will podcast for my new studio that. Maybe you'll help decorate from US some tips via I'll tell you what we can. We can talk about how we can catch up synon- squads so it'd be your up. God Okay I'm not now. Thanks for listening. God thank you. Thanks for listening to shenanigans download new episodes every Tuesday and subscribe on the podcast. One APP at podcast one dot com or at Apple podcasts. And don't forget to rate and review the show on Apple podcasts looking behind and I got my girl with me. We'll get into most of them get over here.
2020's Biggest NBA Free Agent + Pacers Hire Nate Bjorkgren
"I'm going to take it Jus Legends in basketball analysis with over 70 years combined experience. This is the bar Brian and Jeff Goodman podcast NBA some college little bit of everything. You know, what can I say, but it wasn't what happened here with him. I was like okay with it because it wasn't about talented anything. All right, let's get right to it. I welcome in another episode of be Ryan and Goodman podcast. He's Rob Ryan. I'm Jeff Goodman, and we've got the NBA match-ups in the rearview mirror Bob, but that doesn't mean there's not things to talk about we've got we've got a new coaching hire Bob and you know exactly who Nate bjorkgren is, you know, you know mm, you know his whole resume you can you can ride his bike right now. You can write his bio Nate bjorkgren. I hope I smell right now. I could 24 hours ago. Yep. Could I'll be totally honest that one utterly blindsided me. I did not know of his existence on this Earth. I did not know him as an assistant in Phoenix. I did not know him as an assistant coach. I did not know him. But what I did find out I've done some research. Okay, you've done you're done anything this guy and he's from Storm Center for Lake Iowa not to be confused with Clearlake. We're that's where the music died on February 2nd. Nineteen fifty-nine case. You went me no idea what that means Bob. What does that mean? The Buddy hatch the Buddy Holly Big Bopper touchy balance. That's where they died in Clear Lake, Iowa, but not Storm Lake don't get them should have said I was confused. I thought it was the same right New York and he is A nurse guy and I happen to be in Iowa in Des Moines the day that Nick nurse was introduced as the coach of the Iowa Energy in mm. Right really wage was on the broadcast. Yeah, and don't ask me that's another story will do that for another day. But anyway, yeah, you know his resume higher energy Dakota off our again Bakersfield and then he got into with the sons and fifteen and then to want to with this man nurse fun fight. He went to after we left his first college. You went back home to Buena Vista university. Did you know that mister University? I have no idea about I didn't know I'm not making fun of them. I know I don't do that. No, it's a school found in the in the mid-nineteenth century by the Presbyterians and it started out. The first building was an the Opera House in downtown Buena Vista and birth. Here's a couple of alums Buena Vista athletic alums Jim. Doran is a name that I remember from the clients in the fifties. Jim fighting was the former general manager of the Montreal Expos. Johnny was a noted baseball executive and I must admit I missed Jesse's Schmidt wide receiver of the Iowa Barnstormers off of of the of the Arena Football League. So there's some of their lungs and so we'll we'll make Buren go down as the greatest and in in most successful person ever come out of Buena Vista. Well, the leader in the clubhouse is Fanning and and and because Doran was a successful player. Yeah. But anyway, but you know what this this follows the recent pattern of faceless analytics-driven. I'm sure coaches in the league that the the old forum. Yeah is dead. Now I want to do something you'll love this. Hello researched. Okay started covering the Lincoln in 1969 Ford Edge League. Yeah, one two, three, four, five six seven eight eleven of the coaches were former players. Wow, eleven of the operator calls. I'm counting the NBA briefly for the next nineteen. Forty-seven. I'm just giving you some of these names you could put it. Okay Garen Richie Guerin with the Hawks jeans shoe was the bullets Tommy heinsohn with the Celtics see more with the Detroit Pistons had been a Syracuse not when they won the championship, which migrated call Larry Costello pretty good player red also and of course, I've been a player. He's on his 51,000 Rochester Royals Johnny, Johnny red carded, maybe the greatest passing Center of Mall Jack McMahon who had been a guide with the Hawks George Lee was a sub with the with the dog. He was he was the coach of the Warriors and he had been a you know, and I'll Bianchi who was a longtime NBA player. That's the that was the general formula to become a coach in the NBA off in those days. Ten years later. Yep, how many we're still? Players Centric. All right, Jerry, Sloan Alvarado's Bob Leonard, Don Nelson. Kevin laughery, red Holtzman, Billy Cunningham Doug, Moe jeans shoe. Lenny Wilkens all for macros. So there's 10 NBA coaches players or coaches today. How many I didn't do today, tell me that's that's quite right ahead. But there are many yeah rivers rivers. Tyloo D'antoni Mike D'Antoni. I mean there are some but yeah, you're right it's worth it feels like Some of the the old players are being recirculated again. The Doc Rivers is at I lose but it's a lot more of if you're an assistant for a successful NBA franchise, San Antonio was obviously a big one right? I mean they were yes guys going left and right that were assistant coaches for pop off now, is it something where you had Toronto obviously to me Nick nurse is done as good a job as anybody in the NBA over the last two seasons. You can't even dispute that took the form the formula the biggest way to get give me an NBA coach right now. Yep is to be a A technician a a guy in any organization and work your way up. You don't have to have any college credential you have to have any pro credential. Here's the names and the end who could all walk down the street any Street in America including the one in the city where they work. Well, I love to have these guys in front of you Bob and you try to pick out who's who wage. That would be honestly we should do that. We should try to get you pictures of all these guys and see if you could correctly identify how many you can do since I wrote an article about this in January off a scab all times three of them have gotten it their heads lopped off here was who were here was some of the names though as of January and now as of the end of the season as of May actually the end of season was his in September, okay. Ready Rhett Brown. Yeah, Mike Miller Kenny Atkinson Steve Clifford James Borrego Lloyd Pierce wage. Mike Buda Hozier, Mike Malone Ryan Saunders and Jim Boylan I said they all could be in some sort of coaches Witness Protection Program. Yeah, they all Apprentice one way or the other and these Thursday. Now who are the poster child for this whole thing guess who the two guys are just played for the NBA Championship? Yeah. Yeah like Fogle who's Frank Vogel video coordinator years ago video Celtic video coordinator expulsed ra yeah. I hate feeling he's going to be a heat lifer wasn't it the battle of the video coordinators? Yes. This is how you get to be a coach you page in that regard and and and and you know study Bob, I would love to see a study for which group has been more successful. Now again, it's hard because some guys get better jobs right to the former players get better jobs than cuz people rip on the college coaches who go to the NBA and I always say it's not really fair because most college coaches you go to the NBA off. Don't get very good jobs, you know like Brad Stevens got a great franchise. Not a great job at that point. I mean they were terrible West 18th Street, right? I mean Billy Donovan, you know, obviously he was working in Katy when he went there. So it's not really Apples to Apples when you try to compare but I would love to see again the success rate overall the former player as opposed to a non-player. I think the biggest interesting transition is a way, you know that we had a period of time starting in a roughly 1968 when I bought a college coaches for starting to creep into the NBA Dick Motta cotton Fitzsimmons Bill Fitch. Crop came in doctor. Jack had been a GM, you know, it's a GM of the 67 Championship 76ers after it is fabulously successful careers. St. Joe's so the seat qualify as a college guy. He had a dog Yeah, you know, okay, but that was that was a good Avenue to get it. Did I mention Dick Motta who was plucked out of Weber State when no one knew would Weber State was at that time took off and I meant cotton that was the way to go for what a book group which were critical of out of Princeton who went to the Lakers and then later coached the Pistons and the and the Jazz. Okay, and then Thursday, they had varying degrees of success. The only one who ever wanted Championship, you know model one with the bullets it fits one with the Celtics cotton. Everyone McCloud never won another one John McLoud, Oklahoma. Would you like this or not Bob? Do you do you generally are you in favor of this or if you're a GM would you go more the former player rep. Well, I just think the way that you've I think there's always going to be a player who clearly has the aptitude for it, you know for sure. But not that many are going to want to put in their dues to do the this way, you know, yeah, no players going to go up the ladder. He's not going to go to the video room. And then what they're going to be on a name, you know, I know I don't know. I don't think there's any total right or wrong, but we know what the trend is, you know, and These Guys these these these elements helping these faceless guys that have this credential are they worked in the in the CBA now G League or whether they are a bunch of pointless. And the one thing I'll say is looking down the list list right. Now. You do have a bunch of former point guards guards Steven. Let me read him to you. There are like ten Steve Nash Billy Donovan Rick Carlisle not always point guards. But whatever Steve Kerr Tyler Liu Kang scanning down here Doc Rivers Luke Walton played Quin Snyder Scott Brooks. So there there are a few but you're right the number damoni Williams, so there are some guys who certainly wage But I think it's kind of a you know, kind of a split right now and it's interesting to see you know, where this thing heads. I just you know, the interesting part and we'll focus a little bit on the Pacers now off and you get a faceless guy like this and you have a franchise that certainly underachieved a little bit the last couple of years in the play-offs, but I don't consider what they did this past year underachieving because you had Victor Oladipo coming back from the injury and you didn't have sabonis, right? So let's I wouldn't even have fired to be honest. I wouldn't have fired an eight. Am you know, yeah, I don't think McMillian deserved to be fired after this year know they've got some good pieces the big key is what do you do with Oladipo his deal is up after next year. But yeah, there are some Whispers that he wants out. I mean Anna, I don't think he's really a number one guy. I know he made the All-Star team on his healthy two years ago, but I think he's player right? Yep. Ben Mitchell to me only sleep Donovan Mitchell are very similar to me. And in a sense that they can both get hot and have their unbelievable games. Neither one are incredible Shooters their high low efficiency High, you know, yeah usage high volume high volume guys that again, I don't think their top ten players in the league. I think they're probably Donovan's probably a little bit better than Vick right now, but they're probably somewhere in that 15 to 25 range and they're better off as number two guys, but let's face it down on Indiana. You're not getting a number one. You're not getting a free agent. Who's going to be a number one guy to come there to play alongside those guys. So they're almost forced to be number one guys, and they're not good enough time that you mentioned that I'm glad because I just bought this last year cost my head. I was harping four years on the fact that the Celtics could not attract a prime of Life free agent and didn't get one dead. You know until Al Horford and the only reason they got you know, great Ray Allen was conscripted he was traded for and Kevin kg. Oh, I'll go there now. I know he had options. He had his control. I'll go there to play with Katie in Paul Peirce. They couldn't get one if I got one. I don't know how many of those other old cold cities are those other things are about those lesser, you know off the radar cities are ever attracted any crime free agency either whether it's Milwaukee, you know, cuz there's the big one coming up. We all know everybody in a league team the Predators the the buzzards are flying flying and circling around the city of Milwaukee, right all them all the NBA buzzards. Yeah, baby, I think took a y, you know with Kawaii kind of knew who had a real shot with quad with the honest. It's almost like you really don't know what he's going to do with quite I think everybody knew he wanted to go back home. He wanted to go dead. Yeah, yeah, whether it's Lakers Clippers you wanted to go back home with the honest. It's like where does he go from here if he goes or is he is he loyal a loyal to Milwaukee and maybe they can they can pull somebody to play with them. Ultimately. They have a number one guy. Although a lot of people after the postseason this year would say Giannis wasn't number one guy in the place because you can't shoot and that's the key right? All those guys are mentioned Oladipo Donovan Mitchell Yaris are not great Shooters. They're streaking Shooters be honest being there school in some type, but they're not Shooters. Yeah. Today's NBA to be a number one guy kind of gotta be able to shoot the basketball, don't you? I mean LeBron, maybe the exception Clause is not a great shooter, but it's so good. We're talking now about two-time MVP and honest so mean he is the exception. Maybe I think we are so often exceptions to every rule as we all said, I'm going to say a long time ago, you know, but as a rule, yeah, so the Pacers if you're the Pacers in your Kevin Pritchard and you're trying to figure out what to do, you keep this cord together of Oladipo you put sabonis back in your roll the dice this year or do you trade Oladipo for what you can get now because otherwise you can leave you high and dry a year from now. The East is still not it's still available. Don't you think? Yes a Miami did deserved everything they got but I mean, they're not they're not a scare. You don't you're not scared of them to be scared of Milwaukee's been proven to be flawed to you know, charmingly flawed, you know, if we shall we say, you know, and they could be had as we know we found that out All Techs are you know, they they need something else to go great step. Nobody talked with separation in the me, you know, not that much. I think you can throw off. Pretty much of a blanket over this seems to be just discussed. And so he brought the Geist you roll the dice one more year with this group and see maybe they're healthy enough and collectively I'm got a good bench their deep, you know again without a deep. I thought they played pretty well for the most part this past season. And then again, you take sabonis out that team to yeah, you and I are probably the two biggest domas sabonis fans on the planet. It changes the entire to me it it changes the entire series for the Pacers. They're not over a wound up front by bam adebayo and and and in Miami, so all right before we go on to the other coaching changes, so can I read you who the biggest you know where the biggest free-agent is this year with no. Look at this. Okay, so Anthony Davis is going to you know, he's going to stay with Lakers. We know that Brandon Ingram's restricted. They're going to match whatever it is from New Orleans, you know, Gordon hayward's got a player option he's going to take it and and maybe Danny tries to deal him. But ultimately I think Gordon Hayward stays in Boston the best unrestricted free agent out of this class be ready for this one and I love old kid. I loved them twenty six years old average Seventeen and and six great defender played on a team in which they went deep in the playoffs. They want to title two years ago Robert Ryan. Can you guess who it is siakam know Fred Van Vleet. Oh, Fred look Friday, I believe Fred Van Vleet is the best Kitty corrected free agent out there for the taking about that what shows you a lot about this again? No deals made everybody feels Chris. Paul's going to be dealt from Oklahoma City. Yeah likely and the interesting thing will be about could somehow LeBron James get his good buddy Chris Paul to the Lakers game. I don't know how the money would would work. There was free, but maybe it does. I don't know maybe you know again if they have those 3, they might need to fill out the roster with with you and I rather than JR Smith and Dion Waiters wage, you're going to have no money left football is back. You might not be at a game this year, but you can still be in on the action at bet online. But online is going the extra mile to make sure you can get in on anything imaginable. This season game spreads totals the team player and coaching props that online gives you more options to wage war than any place online. You can get in on their season-opening Bose. Just today and start off wagering on win Division and Championship Futures today head up to bed online online today take advantage of all the great sign-up bonuses that online your page online Sportsbook experts. So what do you do you figure how do you project Rondo next year then you probably don't yeah, you probably don't if you bring out Chris Paul, I would assume that probably saying goodbye to Rondo. But again, I think listen Chris Paul and LeBron have been buddies forever in would it would allow Chris Palm maybe when a title before he he hangs him up, which would be you know huge for him basketball. That's right. Yep getting one. That's a really good analogy in a way. Yeah. No, you're absolutely right and the end of his career is not although listen Chris Paul have one hell of a year last year. We have a Goodyear great great year. So if you're Oklahoma City, you gotta be careful, but you know birth. And bleed Gallinari Montrezl Harrell another these are unrestricted once we don't think drug. It's might be I'm not a hundred percent on that one, but I think if dragus is unrestricted, but that's a huge one for Miami to keep number one more. Can he get paid at 35 whatever he is right now. Could he get one more pretty good contract for two three years you want to really make make money. But if you're Miami, I think you let him go the way he played. Oh, yeah. I honestly believe he was there in VP and and the previous series against the Celtics. I thought he was their night in night out most reliable performer, you know, God damn had the great explosive moments, but he was steady. They had three guys. I felt like Jimmy Butler bam and and and draw gets there were all absolutely terrific when they're on the court, but you know, they might be thinking well, you know, we remember we none had that terrific here and and and you gotta figure he's going to be able to build on that. They might be thinking but but boy dog Reminded how good drive gets here. See I I became a big I saw I I filled in my application for the fan club on that one. Oh, you got it. I mean watching him and how how I don't know. He just he felt like he had he had he had the cojones every time out there. He wanted to take the big shot. You take the big shot. He made the big shot. You know, he was just one of those things where they yeah, I felt like again his you forgot like maybe cuz he hadn't played on the big stage. So you just didn't really watch him enough because it when he made the All-Star team, he was in Phoenix seen nobody remembers exactly. Exactly. So so that's the the free-agent really underwhelming as the lease and I think it is if your Chicago or or your New York, I think you gotta go after Fred. Mentally. I think those are the teams to me that make the most sense. He's probably not unless Toronto wants to give them the money and he stays which maybe he should because It's it's obviously been a great spot for him and keep him with Lowry and siakam and you know, why can't they be very good again next year where if you go to New York, you're not going to win if you go to Chicago and they need a point guard. Maybe it takes your cargo from a non playoff team to you know, sneaking in as the eighth seventh seed, you know, you stay in Toronto. You've the culture there Nick nurse loves you the city loves you, but he's going to get paid. I mean he's going to get paid twenty twenty million plus easily. I'm pregnant home is a culture guy. He guards at a high level toughest shit, like just everything everything. That's right about a team, but he he can't be a number one guy. He's gotta have helped. He probably be ideal is your number three guy on a good team, right? I agree. I totally agree. Well happy form been in fan of his since I first saw song about like that's good job. The other big news of the week. Are you a big analytics guy? Do you consider your fake? I'm I respect. A place for it but you know how I feel about the three and and then you know, we're going to get it to the Mr. Man who has had the most nefarious effect on the on the Artistry of Aesthetics of the game in my view ever. You know, you are Bob Ryan cannot be a Daryl Morey fan. I know I'm not that when you're winded. I mean, I like balance off, you know, I mean the game he has done more to emphasize that the three is the game than any one individual ever and and he changed it. Worried that deliver so baseball and hockey and basketball and and and you know, cuz we he started here. I didn't know but but I didn't either I know you know, but no, I mean he's dead. So what I want to know where you going to do? Yeah. So Daryl Morey in case people don't know by now, I guess resigned is the the term due to personal reasons. I'm not sure completely buying that Bob. No, no, he says I don't know either because obviously the owner 42, you know is a guy that doesn't have a lot of patience with Iraq. It's so you wonder if he had had enough although you got to give more credit like eight straight years in the playoffs. No, great job keeping my to head to a point right now. They got like the the one thing with Morrie month that I always felt was he never he never took into account the intangibles and chemistry and he just threw guys together and based on again, maybe the numbers and the numbers said well if we got a chance to get Westbrook to pair with with with hard and you know, let's pair them together and let's bring on to white Howard and I just felt like it was just kind of he was almost plane crash every every day and sometimes this analytics-driven approach is a very interesting parallel in terms of level of success reached between the music off. Pockets in the Oakland A's and Billy Bean. Yeah. I mean couldn't get it done and play nice Little Engine That Could teams, you know, but playing down the way they did. But anyway, but now of course we're in a whole other world with with the the freedmen desk and and and and oh my God, yeah, that's baseball we get that later. But no, I'm not a big fan of Daryl Morey in that sense, but we need to respect. You know, he's no fool God knows you know and and and he'll hit you with the with the numbers that you know, you have to go. All right, but I still think that there's a place for a two-point shot. I still think there's a place for that post game. I still think there ought to be one, you know the Rockets up to an extreme this year. They went absolutely completely Hog Wild event, you know, finally with a putting an NBA team out there in 2000 Dodge Journey with the tallest guy starting at 67 Covington after they finally got rid of capella and and went the other way and and you know didn't get them wet again him not really a 6-4 Center in PGE. Yeah, it was a place in the world for PJ Tucker. But you know anyway, it's it's it's we can't talk about down more you not talk about the tweet and and what kind of eventual fall out with any organization and and and and and you know how angry the NBA people are in terms of the money that he costs them, you know for taking a bath support standard. He ought to be have a right as a citizen to take but which kind of backfired, you know, an enormously enormous weight financially, but people who don't know he is the general manager of the packets who way back when tweeted a support of the Hong Kong situation with the Hong Kong people against the Communist Regime and China reacted by faith in the plug on a on a a couple of billion dollars worth of business that the NBA was doing finally relenting and gave 5 of the finals Canticle the back and put the game on. Yep. Yep. A way, they're kind of a shock was there was an in mainland China to created that maybe there was some great push back that we never heard of that. I was amazed when you told me that that was completely under the radar to me that that occurred. So, all right. So the Houston Rockets now, I guess they promoted from within yeah, the general manager if they still don't need a coach now, how about the the front-runner? I guess? I don't know if this is true, but the three candidates are Jeff Van Gundy Steven Silas and John Lucas who might be the front-runner heard that well first I would you know, I have to give you the last interaction I had with John Lucas you love this story. Go ahead. Give me your thoughts on John Lucas. I wrote I want them dead and I want the end of the story for his incredible Saga drug battled Saga, you know to end on a positive note because he's a bright guy. He's I think he's essentially a dog. Person who you know who obviously had a system that really had a problem staying away from the drugs. Okay, you know, I mean, I I use them as a powerful. It must be to have an addiction that the career that he basically shift hand, you know because of his addiction. Yep. He when he's a bright guy with two college degrees et cetera, et cetera et cetera. He's try to help people now who does for a living and I root for I had a nice breakfast in and once upon a time in Boston, you know, but way back when and we've talked about all this stuff and that's a good guy. He's been assistant with the rockets for the last few years. So that gives him a little bit of an inside truck. I'll give you a quick story. I'll try to appreciate it. So I'm at a young age. It's called the NBA players Camp two years ago. Not this past June obviously cuz it didn't take place. But the previous June it's in Charlottesville, Virginia. It's the first year. It's all the top. High school players first year I got into it and I went to it because college coaches were allowed and MBA Personnel was allowed as well. So I get there and all these events now wage guys charge for the books in the information about the kids and all it isn't like rosters and where they go to school and it's a bunch of nothing maybe phone numbers. They charge $425 to each school. So Virginia have bought four of them. So they spent do the math $1,700 on four of these books. You needed to buy one for each coach. I believe that wage. So I'm their coaches are complaining about it. I'd about three books blah blah blah blah blah spent, you know, twelve hundred bucks and I made it out to John Lucas Enterprises wage and I'm like, huh? Why would you make it out to John Lucas Enterprise? Well, John Lucas was running the camp. Okay, but again, it's an MBA Camp sponsored by the NBA song. Tweeted something out there. I said coaches are complaining they may have this is quite a racket. I said quite a racket for John Lucas who I said, you know this 305 coaches here through the math times four hundred bucks down Lucas is rolling in it. So how about this so he called me from my crisis. They were down on the brake. We were upstairs on the coaches and MBA gods and media were up top and all of a sudden I see on my phone Mike rice Mike rice, he's down there and I looked down at Center Court down low wage. Jean-Luc is just holding the phone like rice and he's yelling at me. I'm not making a dollar off this I said, well John, I know it's on the coaches are making the mud the checks out to George Lucas Enterprises. He said well, I'm not making change that tweet so I changed it to something like John Lucas told me he's not making any money off this still a hell of a racket for whoever's getting paid. So that was my last John Lucas. Actually, I might have seen him since briefly off. Did you get any further info as a tried? I tried to reach out to the NBA Players Association to find out who the hell was getting paid off that list. All I know is if the checks are off my guess and I don't have proof of this my guess is this is the first year again that that happened the NBA had no idea how much money was at stake that could be made off these books. So my guess is John Lucas never had to tell the NBA they never would have known and he he gets that money. And it's again through the math. Right? You're talking four hundred bucks times three hundred coaches. Yeah. Yeah good. I'd like to 120 grade. I take it off right? I'll rock you 20 Grant. So I guess what I'm illustrating is John Lucas is a very smart individual bomb Oh, yes, very very smart. I know you said it was a first name, but he was the first pick of the draft and I just 76 number one pick ladies and gentlemen, Gianluca, Maryland Celica playing this game. And of course, you know his other great claim to fame he was he was Renee Richards doubles partner and I knew was a hell of a tennis player. He was Renee Richards really tennis partner double spider. Imagine him playing tennis, huh? Yes. Yeah, just yes life, you know like you don't see that basketball tennis, good. Yeah now we've mentioned this before but if it ever happens Steven Silas, oh son of my phone number. Yep, if he gets an NBA job, he would be the first NBA coach with whom I played Nerf ball and my knees in his living room listening that that that definitely will result in a story. That would be the store. Say Boston Globe the first NBA coach that anybody has ever played Nerf ball with under knees in the living wage that make you feel old email inviting fraternity. Does that make you feel old? No, it makes me feel good. Now. I'm behind all that. Hey, I'm sorry. I'm beyond that I am I how long I covered this league, you know. Oh, yeah, so all right so long and then we got New Orleans that I still think is a really good job. Like I thought I thought they'd be flocking to want to coach, you know, her know what David Griffin's do and why he's moving so slow you've got, you know strong and Gandhi a lot of people he's think he's going to get it. You've heard some other young coaches assistance be mentioned for the job. I don't I don't know what Griff is doing over there. Yeah, but I feel like why wouldn't you want to bring somebody in the draft is now under a month away less than a month away. It's a threat November eighteen scheduled and they they are strong hit, you know hedging right right now right now. Let's see. I'm over eighteen even today in the morning already read the paper money. There's a reference to it. It's it's scheduled for. Yeah, I think it'll be the 18th. I think they're going to unlock. I'm crazy happens. I think you're going to keep it for the 18th. But to me if your New Orleans you want to have a coach in place. Yeah, I'm David Griffin. I want to know what type of style are you running is that does factor in it should factor in at times to who you're going to draft if you're you know, I don't know where New Orleans is off the top of my head drafting but like to me again if there's somewhere in that range mid first-round and you're picking between two guys and and Stan Van Gundy is your coach. Well, first of all, you want to know personality-wise connect could handle Stan Van Gundy, right? Yep. That's number one. Seriously. Seriously. Yeah. I'd like to see both of the bank and he's back in so I don't want Jeff back in you want to cuz you want to listen to yeah, I like that about it too. But but they're great personalities to have back in the sidelines. I know but I felt this way for years. I said that he's serving a larger and more constituency than one little I know I think you're right. Yep. No, I would think he proved he proved he could still coach when he did what he doing that USA team. You know without last year. You saw like to have you know, Houston and walk ins and have Jennifer Stan. I think that would be fun to have the van Gogh. Yes, it would. Oh boy. I mean they're they're they're too again. Like we said they're great to listen to but I think they all should would add something through a league that you know again doesn't lack for entertainment and and and drama but I think they'd add to it they'd add to it and I'd like to see Jeff back again because it's been so long. So it's like it's 13 years. I think it's amazing. You don't see that very Dick Dick Vermeil did it in football with a big a big gapping and and tire and they didn't Vermeil retire or no? Yeah, I think so what he was doing in that internment was he doing any broadcast? I don't know. I don't remember. I don't think so. I don't need any way, you know, it came back and did it but do you have that still name is Jeff proved last year. It's still got the chops. I knew know that I know but I would miss him, you know, but hey, you know, whatever makes you happy. I know we're going to get to the draft of course, but just one thought. My head here when you mentioned a draft and it's the biggest. What's your biggest curiosity? I know what mine is about the about the first round of probably who goes number one Bob. I I I think it's as wide open as it's been in you've got major question marks with all these guys that could go number one. Lamelo ball and we've got through it a little bit but again the lack of coaching the lack of discipline not an unbelievable athlete but man he can pass the ball see the floor not a great shooter either terrible form kind of like his brother long. You've got Anthony Edwards out of Georgia who shot forty from the field and under 30 from 3 and his team lost just about every game we played last year and then you've got James Wiseman who played 3 games 7-footer long talented but a lot of people question number one his his motor how how tough he is and number two. Do you draft a a 7 a.m. Her with the number one pick with the way the game is right now. So my curiosity who goes for James Wiseman given the trend of basketball who goes to him. Now. I'm thinking I have no idea. You've seen him I have it. I mean, you know, I was hoping to see how much this year but I did fact he was going to come to UConn. I was going to go to the game, you know, it wasn't a game. Okay. Is there any way the number one pick Bob Minnesota, which already has karl-anthony towns? Yeah, that's for anything in him to reject him into a facsimile of Anthony Davis. No. Okay. Absolutely zero Twenty-One now, I don't know. Okay, not me any gave us. That's my question was he can't be Anthony Davis on the offensive end. He's just not that's not him off it like that. You can't shoot it like that. He's more probably more comparable to DeAndre. Ayton than he is. Yeah Davis and I actually think eight years. Is more talented from an offensive skill stamp. So but I listen, I like Wiseman. I don't love them. I don't love Edwards. I don't love them know over the top and probably goes like four. I like them. I just I think they're all about the same in in an ordinary draft. You'd have them all in that five to ten thousand. Yeah. All right. I like I like him at 5, but I don't like him at 1. So I think it's honestly a curse right now if you're gersson Rosas who's got the number one pick is just got the job as a GM of the Timberwolves. I think it's a curse to have the number one pick right now. Well back to hear when Bennett was number one and you know, look at that. That was one of those years in our great-grand fired off that Chris Grant fired in Cleveland because he took Anthony Bennett from a group that again there was probably no real win-win but he took the lose-lose there with which the battery was dead. Not even really so well, we'll focus. I mean again, what are we at now? We're at the 21st. Yeah next week. We'll start doing a little bit more of the draft. I'm sure we'll have a couple of these jobs. It'll be down and listen. We know they'll be more news cuz they're always is when the NBA maybe Marshall maybe we'll have a decision on Gregg Marshall. But yeah, and if and if all else fails all-wheel about the fact, yeah you I mean listen, I'll scream about 2-3, you know never take us to do that every week we can. All right. Well, listen appreciate it Bob will talk next week. Have a good have a good weekend. Okay, Jeff.
Hour 3: Baseball Culture
"Before we get to the clippers. Joel Embiid is out tonight. Sixers game. And I just want to give Clinton like seconds. You were fighting with Sixers fans all day about some things you said when you were mad on TV tears. Tears tears. I cry for Joel Embiid today. Listen, I'm not rooting for anybody's injury. Obviously, I'm not, but the Dag on karma of the unprofessionalism. He displayed after the last game laughing elbowing somebody in the head that he could have gotten injured and he got away with the call. And then he came into the next game. Well, you know, that's how the cookie crumbles aka trust the process. Spain sarahspain with you as always Clinton Gatesville Fitz on ESPN radio. We are presented by progressive insurance. Let's set out to the shell Pennzoil performance owing to talk about a different game tonight. Johan boo covers the clippers for the he joins us on the shell Pennzoil performance line hate that last game. We saw a thirty one point lead blown how much actual, you know. You know, faith and trust in themselves. Does that give the clippers or how much do you think? Even they are putting that on and unfocused warriors team. I I really don't think it affects their their trust or confidence in you know, if leafing themselves like this is the first team in NBA history to have re twenty five point plus comeback the seat now and the season. They did this the first game together in Boston. You know, the first game after they made their three trades at the trade deadline. They were down twenty eight in the second quarter to the Celtics during a stretch where the Celtics hadn't really been playing. You know, well together, they're finally gelling everything was right for the clippers rallies from twenty eight points down won that game in Boston know, the steam they set it in the locker room after with it. There are a bunch of roaches. Like, they they don't go away. They don't give up. And I I think, you know, would I bad as the the warriors were playing in the last twenty minutes stretches game too. It took a special team to come in. And actually believe they could take that game from them. I think that's what the gophers are. It sounds like to me that you're saying that as if the clippers don't believe that the clippers are done yet. When I think a lot of people looked at that win and said, listen after the trade deadline and everything that worked out because Jerry West did it. Well, and you know, all we've gone through Doc Rivers that win might have sort of justified the season at you telling me that the clippers believe that this is definitely going further because they might have come back at this year. Yeah. No. Like, I I wrote about it. I wrote a breakdown of the comeback that night and one of the things I said it and my piece was this game is in irrationally confident, but borderline delusional aware. They like, you know, it's not it's not playoff speak. It's not typical Aideed. We're going to give it our best. And you know, we're going up against the one seed, whatever like they think they could beat them. And and you know, I think the only reason they won that game was because of that belief like most teams would have folded down thirty midway through the third this team. You know was fighting loose balls. Offensive rebound. You know, hustling the warriors feeling the ball and stuff like that. Like, they do not quit. You're not give up. And I think that's really the only reason why they want it wasn't. You know, there's always in play. Well, but clippers took the game from them stain and since we're talking to Johann Buha he covers the clippers for the Atlantic. I'm sorry. The Atlantic is where Jamal works the athletic is everybody else works. The warriors have had a lot of trouble with Lou Williams mantras Herrell, what do you what do you see in those matches? Why are they struggling so much to stop those dudes? Well, it's been statistically it's been arguably the best pick and roll combination in the league this season. We we was top of points per possession, the pick and roll as the ball handler tries as vol-, man. So that that's really giving teams problems all season. And it's really what carry the clippers second unit. They had the highest you know, one of the high scoring second units of all time this season. And that was a large part because of the role of who and tries but to do it on this stage. I think is really shown that that wasn't a fluke. You know, they're not just doing it again second unit, but doing it against the warriors death line outfitting, the warriors, you know, multiple all stars. So that I think is going to be the most exciting thing for me. From tonight's game is how do the warriors adjust and try to take away kicking role. I think you might see them playing a aggressively defensively where they're just talking to paint allured president living in and around the pain. They're going back to paint the Cooper shooters after make them pay. If you know, Jerry, Michael Green Garrett temple or Wilson Chandler start raining. The reason. The warriors adjust. But until then I expect they're gonna play aggressively off the clippers shooters and try to make everyone else would beat them move on we've gone through this segment without mentioning the most important player in the entire series. I played him for Halloween on around. The horn is the five star general of the hands community also wanted dunk contest and that Ukraine, Patrick Beverley, my favorite condo, twenty miles. Listen, you can say what you want about how Katie out-schemed him in trash talk regarding getting to the backside. But let's be clear pay beverly's winning the psychological battle in this series. And I don't understand how anybody can say. Otherwise, no definitely is in. You know, Katie is still you know, Pat said it yesterday practice he's like kitty still averaging twenty five four hundred game. So it's not like I'm completely shutting down. But with that said, it's the way I think Katie scoring I it's trophy. It's not really in a flow, getting frustrated. I thought the tell to me was was. Comments yesterday a practice. What you like, I'm Kevin Durant. You guys know who I am. But they're just coming off a little bit insecure to me like, you know, we do know your Kevin Durant. You're the best or second third best whatever player in the world like we don't need your credentials. So I I'm that that to me is is you know, that I think Lou Trez pick and roll is the most interesting things medically, but but the Pat Katie matchup is the most interesting matchup night tonight. Just because you have a seven foot, you know, arguably the best score in the league best one on one, you know, option in the league and Kevin Durant. Going up against a six foot one pit bull who who's giving up. You know almost a foot in height, but we dig into his legs. He's pushing them. He's getting off in two thousand him. He's really disrupting him. And I think I defense has really been the key in bucking the warriors offense. It's benefits Clinton Yates Dylan and prevents. We're talking to Johann Buha who clubbed covers the clippers for the athletic. I mean, how much do I know you said they're delusional confident in themselves. We've seen Patrick Beverley be able to get to care. How much do you actually see talent wise that that makes you think that this team can give the warriors either another couple of wins or even a series? So that's a whole other question. I think that there's no real comparison here like one team has three all stars. And with with the fourth being Draymond green. Who could have been at all star. And it's always kind of in that conversation. The other team doesn't have an all star or all the player. Like, I think talent wise if you put these two teams on a blacktop, and we're no drafting to new teams you'd probably go, you know, the first three or four picks four years before you went to a clipper. But I think that just speaks to you know, the clipper as weird like Kevin. I dunno chemistry or synergy or what it's been all season. But they've been over achieving, you know, but I think the biggest over under for them was in that thirty five thirty seven rage. They won forty eight games. They blew that game for the end of the season against the Lakers, which would have allowed them to succeed how they won, you know, the seem has been defying conventional wisdom all season. But that being said, I I don't I still think that the talent disparity ultimately wins out, and you know. If you put you made me have to pick right now, I'd still probably go warriors and five, but I thought that the one game the clippers will get within four because the warriors have a Friday and Saturday in LA, and I I know they wanted that that, you know, the LA trip versus a San Antonio Chipper and Oklahoma City trip. So I think the warriors are gonna enjoy themselves Friday and Saturday night. So I was thinking, you know, Sunday morning game. Maybe the warriors aren't really right, energy wise, and you know, glow that game four. But now, you know, later chairman said it yesterday at practice. He's like we woke and sleeping bear. And I think you're going to see that today. I think the war is gonna come out trying to barris the clippers, and it's really going to be on the clippers to withstand not punch early. Quickly before we let you go. You mentioned it's probably not going to result in a series win. But how much are they doing in terms of selling free agents on joining this team next year? I just thought about that today. I think that game to come back. You know, it was the biggest comeback in playoff history, which apparently playoff basketball is obviously four point in the regular season basketball. So that's purposes, the greatest comeback in NBA history. I think that alone is a very big selling point for free agency. Oh for potentially Kevin Durant. But Kawhi Leonard Kyrie Irving, whoever they pursue this summer. I think you can show like of all the teams with a lot of cap space, you the Lakers the Knicks. The nets the Mavs falls. Like these teams, you know, they have enticing aspects to them maybe a player to or or the market or their cop space. But I think the clippers have the whole package when you look at, you know, forty eight one team, you know, the coaching of Doc Rivers this season. They got some interesting young guys. They got draft picks. They got enough top space or two sars-like. I think to me there the furthest along competitively and if you're a star looking to leave your team. Whatever reason, you know, the in LA market, and they're you know, I think they're they're better than the Lakers. They have more talented than they were better season. So I I think if you're looking at the LA market and wanting to to kind of raise your profile and kind of build a legacy in a bigger market to me, the clippers are are no brainer. Awesome staff. Johan thanks for making time for us. Of course, six I got you. Sorrow world. Do we live in bizarro world? Did you hear what he just said? I'm going to check out checks are better than Lakers. He's right. But he's saying I want to get to this quickly. I will go on at this. He played it. Lebron has been clips, but we'll get to it. We'll give David save. It. We want that fire. Bring it back to it. Share the beauty of the spring season with one eight hundred flowers exclusive thirty for thirty offer thirtieth sorta tools for just thirty bucks to order. Thirty stunning. Assorted toots thirty bucks, go to one eight hundred flowers dot com slash ESPN. We'll let him get fiery about baseball. We'll save the fire on the clippers for later. It's all coming up next pain in bits and Fitz on ESPN radio ESPN app. Sirius XM channel eighty thorough Spain with you Clinton Yates filling in for fits could his PIN radio's presented by progressive insurance, making it easy to bundle your home and car insurance Clinton was pretty fired up about the clippers. We're going to stick with that. But I I want to have a quick chat about the wars because couple couple of days ago. Our buddy. Dan, lebatardshow is going off on his show about nobody has the courage. Nobody has the goods other than STAN Van Gundy and stugatz randomly couple couple of months ago. Throwing it out there that honest was going to be the next big thing and put the warriors run to bed. He's very angry that no one is willing to say that the warriors are going to lose. I don't think anyone needs to say that unless they actually believe it. And I don't think a lot of people do standard and Gundy is one of the few that said he thinks they're vulnerable. He thinks they're actually going to lose. They're not going to win a title this year and again on Dan lebatardshow. He said he doesn't think they can turn it on any more. They don't really have the ability to just turn it on and off whenever they want. You know, they have had some really really bad moments this season. And they have not been able to flip the switch. I still say the warriors best is better than anyone else's best. But I'm not sure they can summon their best as easily as they think they can are you actually worried about the warriors. I mean, I realized that if they were to go down we'd have these convenient narratives as to why. But I just I'm not in a position where I feel like other than just being a contrarian. I believe that they'll get taken down this year. I'm not worried about the warriors from a basketball cinema point. I kind of think all those guys gonna hate each other to any this year, though. That's cool. I mean, that's a totally different totally different topic. I think they might already hate each other to win. No, it's going to be like a hate run. Absolutely. I mean, I think that you know, and that's alternately what Steve Kerr probably hardest job is at this point is getting guys to get along. Yeah. It's spain. Infants Clinton h filling in for fits we mentioned earlier in the show we've been replay. A couple of stump speeches that we've had bloggers and radio people for various teams produced for our show to help you decide what bandwagon to jump on. It's not too late. We'll keep running them throughout the postseason incase your team gets eliminated. You want to figure out who to root for and we don't recommend that you root for the warriors. In fact, they got enough fans already and they don't need your help. But if you want to join the enemy, here's grant lift host of warriors, outsiders on NBC sports bay area telling you why. I'm grant lifting and I'm campaigning on behalf of the Golden State Warriors. You absolutely need to root for the warriors. If you love cheering for the lovable underdogs what you love to support the frail point guard that fell in the draft because no one believed him or the quiet shooting guard that lives in his father's big Laker shadow. How about the lanky seven foot small Ford that is considering joining the New York Knicks for charitable purposes. The undersize power forward from Michigan state that is charming and understated or even the big goofy center that is experiencing playoff basketball for the first time root for the warriors. Because well if nothing else you'll probably win. So that's cool. I mean, you know, one needs to jump on that Ben wing. I don't blame them. I mean, there's a lot to like, but come on now known Burt one reason to root against the warriors leaving Oakland. I'll leave it at that. All right. All right. Well, if you need somebody else to root for Michelle who's that up from clips nation tells you why you should be rooting for the clips instead. Hi, this is Michelle you Seta from clips nation, and I'm here stumping for the Los Angeles, Clippers are you? Tired of spoilt franchises, ductless? Mouthguard chewers snakes and bring kickers me to three peat. It's been done before. Try rooting for an underdog this postseason. The only team that matters chemistry, dip, heart hustle. Our team of average Joes has it all most experts had the clippers win healing thirty five games this rebuilding year. But here we are with forty eight wins in a playoff berth. We've got shooting covered with Danilo culinary. We also have the smooth style of closer and soon to be six sweet, Lou Williams. In the paint. We've got Dunkin power and intensity mantras herald. And on the perimeter of the smack talking motor of lockdown defender, Patrick. Beverley don't underestimate this team. They are not lying down. The reigning champs are for fight. This first round hop on the clippers bandwagon. We're spoiled for your dreams. Awja solid solid dismount. Right. We're spoiled warrior dreams. Unfortunately for the clips and everybody else. The only person who can really spill their dreams is themselves their tempers, right? If Katie gets gets disrupted by Patrick Beverley, if he and dream on get too many texts, that's really the only thing that's gonna take this team down already lost psychological battle, the clippers which America has lost a psychological about it, a little clippers rows, you know, when we were thinking about when we were talking to you have on earlier, I was just replaying in my mind, what has happened in the past five years since Bomer took over that team. In a clown show of a press conference hardcore clippers everybody laughed at them. And when he said straight up the clippers are better basketball option for most of these players looking to go someplace than the loss. Angels lakers. Let's not forget why Palmer got the team to. Begin with because Donald sterling off and said some terrible things terrible person before that specifically blaming Magic Johnson and say awful things about you. Now, Magic's out owner real after walking out and controversy and the biggest kicker to all of this. The second biggest kicker is that Jerry West put this on the train the trade deadline and beyond that. Hegel would the clippers. Are you kidding me clipper nation has eclipsed played it LeBron in like the actual NBA? I cannot handle that as a thirty eight year old American. That's lived as I've lived. It's just mind boggling to me, and it is totally deserved. Which is so crazy say what time to be alive? This is a good thing. I can't tell if you're happy about are not super the cherry on top of the poop Sunday for the Lakers is you're right. The Jerry West is the one run in this. Right. And and you get a team that has constantly been the red headed stepchild that hasn't been given the respect you get a team that even this year was like, you know, what I think we should start a rebuild. I know I think we should make a playoff run. I think we should do that instead leave and you look at you get your own building coming up. You get to be outside the shadows of the Lakers and everybody that came before you get out of the family, sometimes mess that is what's going on with the Lakers right now. And. Get to lead the clippers to greatness in a great big market. That's looking for a team to love. It's awesome Inglewood is where the great western forum was it is these central location of the Lakers dynasty. Bobino brand new joy bear fly clippers flaw. Run your wing, we need you. We love you clipper nation clipper nation. We're here for it. I've been saying this for over a year that this is the place you should be going. Instead of the Lakers will see a free agents believe the same on if LeBron James somehow ends up not being the draw that everybody thought we're gonna keep Clinton hot. We're going to get into the bean ball debate in baseball is all coming up next. Glad to have Clinton Yates with us today. Kosice fired up about a whole lot of things in the timing. Is right. We got Joel Embiid out for the Sixers after he says he's out on 'em bead. So we've got we've got the clippers make an run for best destination in LA as they zinc it. Lebron exactly clips planet. Lebron? And now we've still got the remnants of the White Sox Blue Jays dust up and by desktop. I mean, calm chat near the near home base resume trading. Yeah. I'm gonna I'm not gonna yell about this one because it takes to explain. Yes. It's something that's a little closer to me. I'm more of a slow burn on this. Exactly. Pain and fit sarahspain Clinton Yates on ESPN radio. Temper straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. Best phones. Best networks, no contracts. Just to set up your slow burn. I'll point out that to manderson had a sort of shocking of the back towards the White Sox dugout after a game-tying home run against the royals Brad Keller. And then they everybody thought Anderson was shown up the Royal? So then he got pegged in the behind. And then everybody came out to have a chat and not throwing punches somehow Anderson got toss forgetting thrown at right? And a couple other dudes too. Because cowboy Joe west wanted to make it about him because it was the show. And here we are once again talking about old school values and playing the game the right slash white way and fun and managers were almost coming to blows on the field. This is what the deal is here. Let me explain something to you about how baseball works. Baseball is not just the bigs baseball is played all over the globe. They play in South America. They play it sexual America. They play in Asia. They play in Australia. They play in Europe. It turns out, and that's not to say that the culture of what the game is in terms of where it started is obviously here, and what it is grown to become is something different. But the point is this we all know that baseball. At this stage is down from a viewership standpoint, we talk all the time about the popularity of the game is in. Hugh, the best player in the game plays in a secondary market in a big market excuse me at a secondary team in a big market where they're making so much TV money. Don't even have to compete to do anything. There are half a billion dollars or concerns about where baseball is if participation is one of those concerns think about what's happening on the field at the highest level. You talk to me about why baseball doesn't have a bunch of black players. Why the pipeline is all messed up. Here's the deal. If you feel that at the top flight of your professional existence. You are not allowed to be yourself, and represent your culture. It is not something you are going to want to do and achieve at that is simple simple motivational economics when it comes to this country. So this is what my point is here. Don't tell me that the unwritten rules of baseball are that if you bet flip you get beaned 'cause you know where that happens. It happens only major league baseball in the United States of America. Look at the game. Oh, the Koreans are bad flipping all over the shop. Our form go to a college baseball go to a high school baseball game. There are backflips galore. Because that is ultimately what the game about is about. It's about fun. Okay. And if you're trying to pull it every support is about exactly. When when you've got chest bumps from Jordan Spieth in Gulf that are okay. And you've got fist bumps and everything else and everything else in golf that people are starting to embrace. That's the last best in right? I mean, we're letting people will end people grunt all over the court in tennis and do crip walks, right? When we're still stuck in baseball. You know, play at the old fashioned way. Even though it's born people to death, and they're all leaving the sport legitimately born people to death. And the problem is the examples are right in front of you. Major league baseball is full of vibrance fun stars people that want to play the game with fund your man have you by as my favorite player right out to weights. What's that guy? Every once in again tuned into a guy who's not just stamina stammering around the mound scowling because he doesn't feel comfortable enough to express himself. That's not what baseball is. Yo I'm sorry. If you think that's the case you haven't played or been around the. Game long enough the rules that regulate major league baseball on the field are not writ large. What everything about the game is? And if you don't recognize that you were going to kill the one on the major league baseball field and then happening, and the problem is is that first of all unrolls, a baseball are the dumbest thing in all of sports, and they are counterproductive counter intuitive to what we know about sports what draws people attention. What gets people interested, right? These viral moments these moments that you can enjoy even as a snapshot and a little tidbit out of a game are backflips and massive homers and people who think that there could be something wrong with the idea of pitchers showing guys up the same way that batters do our our our delusional Romi would love to see some guy get rung up on a strike three looking and have the pitcher give give a massive fist-bump. Give them get super excited about it to a dance on the mound. No one's gonna no one's gonna be mad about that. If you're going to continue to say that the only way to resolve. One guy doing his job. Very well. Because sometimes it's just even hitting a Homer. You don't have to bat flip, right? You can do your job. Well, and Natalie there too long. Yeah. And that'll get you being. But if the if we're if we continue to have some sort of battle, we're only one side is allowed a weapon and only one side is allowed to attack. How do we keep somehow trying to legitimize this and rationalize it unless batters can start throwing their back javelin style at a pitcher who strikes them out? Then this is this is about protecting the fragile egos of pitchers. You jog my memory to one of my favorite players in the history of the major leagues by mentioning. It's on the mound and beautiful behavior. After strikeouts. Is Lima time believe it's Jose. The late. Great was one of the most exciting performers in the game. Literally had names for his outings Lee MC dime. You know, why you showed up because it was Lee MC dive. Here's you wanted to see what the guy was going to do when he struck somebody out that was part of the deal. He's from the Dominican. He's greatest one those fun. One of those fun players ever played in the big diverse Cecil. But my point is is that when you take away literal parts of the culture where the game drives. And we're the sport exploits people from come on. Now, you can't not let them do it at the highest level. Bryce Harper flips a bet at the nationals dug out, oh, it's beautiful. What happened not forever? On the white snap for everyone though. I will give you that that most of the time it is about playing the quote unquote, white way it is about where the players came from. It is about the color of their skin. But Bryce Harper doesn't always get immunity on that he heard of younger guard singling out Bryce Harper. He's the he's the poster child for let the kids play, right? But exact guys on the field. Don't actually care about that. You're playing yourselves. It doesn't matter how many pipeline programs you have. And God knows I respect. And really actually love the fact that they do this. But if I'm a kid sitting at home, and I see what happened in that White Sox game. And I'm thinking, oh my God. For the baseball team next year, the next Tim Anderson. Yeah, I wanna be the next two manderson. Now, if he's getting being though, so I love the Tim Anderson puts on his Instagram a black and white video of him hitting the Homer Chuck in the bat put some music behind it like really gets into it. And then when Randall Grachev is like guys are getting a little excessive on pimping homers. Meaningless homers to act like you've done it before one time and Tim Anderson responds with put a name on it. So we can see who you talking about bra. Right. I did it like he's bringing attitude a natural. We want the we are constantly talking about how baseball needs the kind of faces and personalities that gets investment, right? Of course, you're going to care about your team. Of course, it is extremely regional. There are so many games for your team. You don't really need to go around looking for other teams to watch to have those players that stand out. You got an encourage it not shout it down. And I'm just wondering if we've been talking about this so long, do you think that there is going to be ever a sea-change where some this conversation enough voices are talking about enough younger players are coming up that we push it into a new era where people are accepting when the player who becomes the dominant next player in the game is a pitcher a Bryce Harper of pitching and stands behind the right stance. Then you'll see ability different. The kid who will stand up and just not throw at a guy because he's just not going to do that. Even though keeping the Homer. But of your point in his last thing, I'll say about Sarah is that the cultural exclusion is one thing and how it makes me feel as a black American. And as a baseball fan, primarily is another played. It's just plain bad business and it s the point it's one hundred percent bad business. And it's about retaining the viewers who are aging and and going to be eventually gone in at the expense of the younger viewer. It's absolutely bad business. And it's totally not understanding what's coming around the pike Spain infant sarahspain couldn't gates villain and Fitz on ESPN radio. This was straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless, nationwide coverage on America's largest and most dependable four G LT networks coming up NFL teams doing some pretty cool things with their schedule releases and a couple of quirks that we found including one team that will never play a game outside of the eastern time. Zone. It's coming up next. Look NFL schedules were released we always make a big deal out of it. Yeah. You want to schedule your road trips? You want to figure out if you're going to go out to London see your bears play fits as raiders. I get that. I get that. But we we do a lot of talking about it. And in the end, it's just a schedule. It's just a it's just a box because win, but that being said some teams really took it to a new place, and there's a Washington Post article that sums up all the different social media handles for the different teams, and how they cleverly announced this year schedules. And there were some really good ones. The bills come to mind they treated it like a sort of Tinder dating app where they wiped each. And then you could see who they were facing who they swiped pass. And then the ones they played against it said, it's a match up, and they are taking shots left and right at everybody during that did you see that one Clinton? I did see that. That was really good bills quality in my opinion compared to. Was good. The falcons game of thrones theme, including having a wayward ram run over a Saint. And then Aref saying no call nothing happened. All good move on that one was pretty good in my opinion. Thirty good that happened to me was the magazine magnum opus file mile. Okay. Well, did the Panthers who went through every single school video game? That one was really good. Well that one I like the what the one I did not like that. I I mean there were parts of it that will that were intriguing, but it reminded me of an old spice commercial, gone wrong. Was the Jaguars. They had their kicker. Hosted sort of like a foe. You know as seen on TV ad and they're taking shots all over the place inexplicably. Titans fans. Eating a lot of mayo. Not sure why taking a shot at the Broncos trade for Joe flacco taking a shot at Cam Newton's close. But like it's all really awkward like really really awkward to the point where I think it crossed the line from like intentionally awkward too. Like, this ain't working fam-. It'd say titans titans fans. Eating a lot of mayo. Yeah. As in now as as in why people eat a lot of mayonnaise. That is serious. Is that what they're doing their thought mean that I couldn't figure it out to that with divine in that aren't there a lot of places fool, my people? I mean, but Nashville country music, it's a whole thing. Okay. Yeah. I feel the guy does of his shirt tucked into his two white jeans. And he's wearing a visor with the fake hair attached to it. So I don't know that's joke. That's just what came to my mind when it could be it could be. Yeah. It's a weird one. Check it out. Check them all out. There's some good ones. There's some funny ones. The chargers inexplicably just used stock footage. So every single match up they found a random stock footage of a horse for the colts. And then like a Bronco a bear sitting near a lake having a chat with a man. So that one's pretty good. I mean, they're all clever. Feels like there was some sort of edict from above that they all needed to do something. Cool. I agree. And that's fine. And that's good. You know, I was actually talking about this. When outside the other show, I was on before. I'm just saying that because we're also around the horn getting ready to hit the sack. So that's yeah. I mentioned the fact that like, let's not forget that when we like the NFL we really liked the NFL. It's cool. We've been knows for. Yeah. And that's just one of those things where that happened. It's like they say their powers, you mean, their budgets. Exactly get it together mixing some marketing. So we can get a little pub here and the nailed it. I like it. I like it. Also, my Chicago Bears celebrating one hundred years and they're doing some. Cool one hundred year things coming up in June. So there's some good ones to go. Check it out. Look at all of them. See which ones you like see which ones you don't. But what's also interesting is when you get into some of these schedules. Some interesting details one is that the cardinals in releasing their schedule showed a little promo video all their opponents dates of the game some highlights they feature, you know, the usual, Larry FitzGerald, David Johnson, Chandler Jones. No Josh Rosen. If you want a sign of word that they are ready to move on after everything they've told us about not having a decision made. And he's our guy that is the sign that Kyle mortgage Murray is going to be there. Yeah. I mean, it's it's. You know, it's it's just I I don't know how much more awkward that can be for a kid like that. Didn't do anything wrong. You know Rosen was the smart kid coming into this. He did what everybody thought he should do tough. As it lands at tuition situation in general. You know, what I mean in like to get then kinda shafted. On the way. I I don't like that. I mean, I don't I don't know if you know what you said it sounded awkward enough already and fits by the way, serious being Clinton Yates villain and Fitz on ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance. You said you don't know if it could get any more awkward listen to this interview with Josh Rosen on an SI TV feature. He's at the Grand Canyon with his buddies. He's sitting in an RV for this and the music behind it legitimately makes it sound. Like the cardinals are about to stab him in the back mid. I think when people talk about like, you can't listen to criticism or don't ever read articles like you have to be aware of what's going on to a certain extent. Like, I definitely understand the situation. I mean, it's annoying. But like it is what it is football's a business, and I I definitely respect the higher ups and their decisions. What is that heartbeat? It's like did didn't like the guy. The cardinals mascot is approaching him with a stabbing object at that moment. We were talking about quantum leap in the break. And I felt like we were thrown back. Weird time travel. Obi guys explaining something. That's inexplicable. That was weird. That was creepy. Right. That music just I don't they were going for dramatic. But instead they went for like horror flick where Cuyler Murray is approaching him from behind about the Tonya Harding him. So there's one would bring up their warp lasting if it's because fits is not here. And because he talks all the time about his season ticket plans and all the trips he's gonna make to Vegas and all this at a third Oakland not getting a game at home for like, two months. That is a direct issue shots across the bow at the city of Oakland. And I think it's unfair. What are you saying game in week two? And then they do not play in their home stadium again until week nine. How how does that happen? Brutal. You can't have they also travel in NFL high thirty five thousand three hundred fifty five miles this season. It's like it's punishing them on top of the team leaving the you want to know how many miles the jets have. So like, I said raiders thirty five thousand three hundred and fifty. Five jets travel six thousand seven hundred eighty eight miles this season. And they never play a single game outside of the eastern time zone thrown easy pass out here flying planes. Is completely crazy. That is a legitimate competitive. Disadvantage my opinion. Yeah. Philip those lines out as twelve twelve more arrests as than their opponents lions never plan opponent coming off a bye patriots. Have thirteen fewer arrests as than their opponents and they played three teams coming off a buys. So there's some there's some quirks in here that have you wondering if teams are going to have some excuses late in the season. If things don't go their way over the go one thing right pain, America's team the Cleveland Browns. Wore nationally televised games. I was in Cleveland last weekend. Cats are pumped while you dance to Monday night football games. They've had to in the last ten season combined. It's unbelievable. What's going on? We'll talk while clippers one if relevant one if the Browns land egg how they Dink what if they're absolutely trash and midway through the season. They're only a couple of games into their many primetime games. And everyone's like, wow, we really really jumped the gun on this far kitchens. That's what he's very well the team, you know. And that's what's weird about it is that they're coach is somehow like on the hot seat and this season is even started very very, very odd. But Cleveland, I'm rooting for you, don't let us down a couple other quirky things bucks. Have no home games in Tampa. For a six week span. The saints play four twenty eight team playoff teams to start their season. Another slow start for the rough cardinals played two games in the month of November. There are four teams that played five games in the month of November. Right. It's a little weird if the cardinals draft Cuyler Murray, and he'd be starts week one. It would be against the lions the last two Carter to make their first start against the lines one. So that's good. It's good news for him. That's a little specific right for like that's a little bit much for me. And most importantly season starts with my bears versus the Packers. Oh importantly, the knows far. That is the Packers. Get out of here. Thanks to Clinton Yates fulfilling in for fits, Freddie and Fitz. Fitzsimmons are coming up next Marin Metcalf in for fits.
535: Jon Rahm's Positive COVID Test; When Do We Start Believing the Habs are for Real?
"The s wp ottawa. Sports talk every weekday. Welcome to the show and a new podcast week happening a little later than usual. It's steve warne. And jim jerome former. Tsn morning radio hosts michelle we called for years teague now expressed in the podcast world. James good to be able to be with us today. Listen listen you. you've got to lower your expectations. Your expectations are so freaking high. You you expect me okay to read a text word for word and not expect that i'm going to look at it and and interpreted miles away instead of the precise way you lay it out. Ok you gotta you got lower that franken bart you got. Who way up there. Okay you text me and say just a reminder of something. You remind me last week about and i said gimme a nudge and then you do okay and then you say don't forget we're on for nine. Am this morning okay. What the hell do you want from me right now. There's yeah. I mean. I think maybe you might say okay. We're we're we're on the same page when we said we were going to be on the same page. Yeah yeah like just that. Little in the lower case k. Right if you just texted that back to me or or can't do it or something. Here's the thing maybe because your boys you know. They're probably you know it's summertime. They probably looking for a little extra work at high one of them to actually go to your house and make sure they'll just sort of like gingerly like an old gentleman just grabbed me by the elbow and hustle. You over to your computer and microphone the time it comes What are we going to do with you. I've got i've got an idea. Here's willing to do you. Can't it's against the law to do electric shock therapy okay. You can't do that but dr whole okay. He's been around a long time. Now you know dr whole of course. Yeah okay so. I tried one of those things. Okay so i borrowed one from someone and you see these things in your place them on your arms or wherever the afflicted areas stephen. Okay and i said how can this be and it's like because the thing packs a punch. It's unreal okay. It's like getting bolted okay. It's not it's it's kind of like ala a little shock you feel. I thought i'm gonna hook myself up to that. When i have to get up and then just instead of the alarm. The stupid thing okay. I sleep do that all right. I'll get the doctor hobie waking me up every morning that may that may work a. I'm sure i've seen another things too with that. Same product like for weight loss and stuff. You put the little thing on there at all. When you're up on your back fat there and good deed it just sounds like beef. If i was. I was looking forward yesterday to Talking to you about the hottest story in gulf that everybody was talking about. So it's a little little less fresh than it would have been yesterday but still people talking about spanish golfer. Jon rahm and that crazy moment. We saw at the memorial at the end of day on saturday. Here's a guy that's got a six stroke cushion over his closest competitors. You wanna talk about social distancing. The distancing between jon rahm and the field was substantial. Yeah goodbye br. And i bring up the social this for a reason. Because at the end of the day officials walked over to him greenside and said great. Great round kid but You've tested positive for kovin right. Wasn't that wild to see. Cnc it all play out on national tv. Well you know. I i only saw the highlights of it. I missed it but a couple of things So it is what it is right and is what it is wamel. Positive no big deal. Because i'm barely making the cut not so much much. Okay i got. I got six snipes up on everybody. One thing that struck me as where it is the guy who's standing a foot away from him telling him the news right. Okay that i'm going. What here's the irony of all ernie's listen john. We need to tell you. The god almost has his hand on his shoulder. You've tested positive. Okay that guys allegedly eighteen inches away. That's weird and you wonder. If i'm jon rahm go wait. Wait a minute here way. Is there nothing we can do. Okay is there. Nothing i can listen to. All my caddie can stay. You can toss me the clubs. He can put gloves on. We can wipe them down Could use a carry bag. You do go by himself. Give the cat in the day off. You know you have to have a caddie i think is one of the deals but of all things. It's hockey i get it. I get it if you're in a stanley cup final game seven and you test positive. I i understand that right your shoulder to shoulder on the bench. You know the the obvious of the contact but Engulf we could. You could almost accommodate a guy. I guess you know but you'd probably be into a pr nightmare. The optics are poor. I mean the reality is you really. There's no real complaint about that so if somebody came at you and said well we can't have a player you know with covid on the golf course. How would that look would look exactly like around three. Because jon rahm just completed an eight under round with covid so we just thought and the bottom line is you wanna take as many precautions i. It's uber precautions. But that's that's how they handled it. Of course there's a number of things though that were weird about it to what why. Why would the two national cameras like. Why couldn't you take jon rahm and bring back to the scores tent. Tell him there were. Cameras aren't watching every second right so it and if the argument is well you know we had to let him know as soon as possible so he could take proper precautions but they didn't take proper precautions after he got the news he didn't they didn't they didn't handle a mask. He walked through a throng of goldens in. So it didn't make a lot of sense to me why they had to give him this very sensitive news and he's doubled over and upset. You didn't really have to do it in front of the entire world light so that that that was inappropriate that they handled it the way they did but Hey maybe even more than that. I'm curious and i have still not heard the question answered. The first thing he said was oh no not again. I'm like you've you've had kobe before. What no one's ever talked. No one's mentioned you know what the deal is on that. How how could he have. Covert twice to. Can you do that. Maybe or maybe maybe for his contact with them. Well you know what they got to throw the bubble over him right away. They come running out him. you know. He won't know what's going on what happened. You got to whip the you gotta let the tent over just like the the concussion protocol tents stevie shores shoes slap. That thing up there easy to do you can get one a canadian tar the bendable rods. Zip zip it's over. Maybe a quick little little tasers or something a little tranquilizer actually just to be on the safe side. Yeah pull out all the stops for swift thank you gotta hit them with that tasers. Stevie as you'd say okay okay. Here's the other thing stevie though where if you have a choice which which you know. He's he doesn't but if you did if they don't hit him with that stevie and and it comes out three days later you can. You can look. I'm talking about the the dates of the. Us open golf tournament. Of course if they if they don't catch it then call so now. He has to isolate for two weeks. I think that brings them right to the eve of the us open. I think it's a couple of weeks to today's the seventh. Is it in two weeks. Stevie it starts on june seventeenth so ten days from now. So maybe maybe they've dropped the two week thing to ten because i think they're saying he gets in under the wire. I think he's okay. He locks down now. He would have been locked down since saturday night. sort of put on just under the sort of two weeks thing. I guess yeah. I think i think sound like an idiot. But i think they changed the isolation. They've dropped it over the over the several weeks the past several weeks. That is maybe only ten days that you have to do it so anyway. What a what a heartbreak. What a heartbreak man you know. Although he's a great player got lots of dough and all that stuff just to be handled. That going want what happened here. Yeah i remember the old cova say. Yeah here's the. Here's the thing that i find very interesting. I mean everything we talked about. I found interesting but the thing we didn't talk about is what i find most interesting in the other angle. Is that this guy you know. He walks away from what he didn't get vaccinated. That's number one so by not getting vaccinated and getting a positive covid test. He basically loses out on sank. One point seven five million dollars assuming he was going to hang onto his six stroke lead. And i'd be surprised if he did. Not so these are all the things. You're talking about another heartbreak and all that and no. It's inappropriate to have learned the news on tv. Ever people compare it to the dj club grounding that cost him and he basically got disqualified. I think because of that did you. Not yes that's the jay the first big law longtime ago. Yeah so i want it. Yeah that story was. They gave them full warning on this course that they played. I think it was. I think it was in. Wisconsin might have been whistling straits. Something like that. And they were having trouble re defining bunkers like. It's like okay. Well this is sort of sand in the rough is it. a bunker isn't and then they came out with a rule and they just said okay. You've got a treat everything. Okay when in doubt and dj his shot up into the left or the right shit and thought it was rough grounded his club and then he finished out tied. I think for the league. They've sat him down with got the bad news. Right yes that's hr yes for sure so that's one of many talking points that we've tackled here and and others have the same and more but no one is discussing in this. This whole thing of. I hope he's okay right right. That's because we just assume he's going to be fine. And that i find that fascinating in the midst of this worldwide pandemic that so serious it's brought us to our knees to a standstill for the last. What fifteen months. Whatever it's been an and then someone gets it and no one talks about that angle to it you know. I hope he's okay right one hundred percent but it's it's just such a weird thing may maybe it's an assumption because he's he's a young athlete in good shape as in okay shape and liberties that anyway but yeah he's a little tabby. Let's be honest. But i find that that that doesn't even a and i've heard i've talked to three or four people. I've listened to some conversations both online and on radio and that's barely an afterthought if it's thought at all great point great points right just shows you how how everybody is so wrapped up in competition. Everyone so so hell bent on on performance against. Yeah good absolutely. I gotta admit neither did. I didn't think for once. Oh my hope. He's okay so on behalf of the s. wpa. He's okay right. Be good point in that. That notes tv speaking lose out on one point nine or seven or whatever. It's a big tournament. That's jack nicolson's term memorial. This mckinnon thinks. Tv good segue. Yes pretty pretty pretty pretty interesting deal there. Yeah how about the headline. This isn't a new headline but it is going to be a discussion point because before long they'll be talking contract with nathan mackinnon who some people believe. Is the best player alive. Messed hockey player alive and his quote was. I'll take less again on my next contract to help my team win. 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A couple of years ago regarding nathan mackinnon and as i watched colorado and vegas and what an unbelievable that series that is so entertaining so much skill on display. Nathan mackinnon included. It's hard to imagine that you know any year or to his contracts going to expire. And he's going to take less. He said that a couple of years ago when he took less at six point three million dollars he said he would take less in his next deal too. And i find that fascinating. And the reason he's taking last of corsi. Nhl is a salary cap and he feels like if he takes a little bit here. A little shave off the old bottom line that will that will allow his team to stay together. Keep more skill than it could otherwise and I find it an amazing story as a watch. Colorado in vegas i say to myself well that is one of the best players alive if not the best player alive and and it just blows my mind that he's only making six point three million dollars now. I know a lot of money granted but compared to other nhl stars you see a guys that will also be hart trophy getting hard trophy. Love guys like austin matthews here at eleven or twelve million mcdavid in and around there as well so To mazing to me well many games colorado games and you know. I'm i'm caught up. You know i'm tunnel vision. I've got my dry seidel. I've got my connor mcdavid. I've got my watching other guys who were supposed to take a run out them. The austin matthews martin. Those guys right So i'm watching. That i watched colorado game the other night stevie okay. Unbelievable how. good nathan mckenzie. Yeah well i mean it. It comes down to. This is putting your money where your mouth is because every nhl player regardless of whether there grinding every less set of negotiation or what. You're what mckinnon is doing. Every player will say they wanna win. But unless you're doing with what mckinnon is doing and that's realizing okay. How much money do i actually need. Rise la in his lifetime or my kids or my grandkids. I'm making six. Think about that for a second six million dollars a year. There's lots of people listening right now. Who are thrilled to be making sixty grand a year six million a year and you say as hockey play. You say i need to win. I'm so competitive. i want. I wanna win more than anything else. No no no. I think in most cases what you want more than anything else is dough right. That's what you want more than anything else. Don't come at me as the winning is paramount. Until you're doing. What what nathan mackinnon is doing right and you know lots of people say right when it comes time to retire or something right and they'll say okay the guy's gonna retire but but he's a tom brady making a. I don't know what tom brady makes. Okay ten million i. i don't know but millions and people say well who cares about the money right but it's easy enough to say okay but when you're staring at a deal and he only makes six million nathan mackinnon. That's right. I mean what would he sign for. Say say they win the cup. What would he be worth eight. No no no. He'd be up in eleven twelve million a year range. That'll be next deal. Almost double what he's right and the theory is is they'll probably talk in it. Eight nine ten or something like that. Come in less so that the team can afford more talent under the canal people. We've probably all been through it on a much different much different level but it's easy enough to say as an outsider. Okay but when you're staring at money stevie when you're looking down going okay you can you can make eight million okay right now but what you're saying is you're going to give up two million okay. Who you do it. Okay you do that. So it's it's easy enough to say but it's very difficult when you're looking at a lot of money that you can get to say okay. I'm not gonna take you know so kudos to that guy you know it comes to the same same deal. Asaka this thing to this chick is is pulling out right same deal. I'm not about the money. I'm not about the cash right. Even though you've make this point right it's it's really hard to not be about the money because it's so good you know if i wanna take two million dollar cut You know or or if. I want to give alway give me the ten and i'll take the two million and give it away instead of giving it back to the there's all sorts of the things they can do so It's it's hats off hats off to that guy. 'cause easy enough. Said he can take a pay cut and laugh at them. Of course you can take but you do it. You walk away from two million you retire right now when really you could keep playing for a couple of million a year right now. It's up it's it's it's more difficult than you think. I don't care how much you make. I assume it is because otherwise it would be you know like a sixty forty split. Something like that like there just aren't players. Who will do it very often union. Yeah and so. I'm not you know. I probably made it sound a moment ago. Like everybody's greedy in hockey. No i understand you know. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes It's absolutely not easy to leave money on the table Because i thought more than winning and more than money is your family and You want as many people in your family to be taken care of and So and it's also it's also an ego stroke to it's always k. I'm on the third best player in the league. I don't think there should be more than two people in this game. That should be getting more money than me. And it's it's just comes down to not just the amount of money just where you are in the packing order and are you being respected and all those things for sure. It's not easy. Now you mentioned the meal saka We've got the we got wimbledon coming up on june twenty eighth and we're not sure if she's going to be there We've talked about it. In previous episodes that she basically pulled out of the french open. Because she didn't want to be a distraction because she announced going into the tournament that she was not going to do any media. She's not going to do any post-match press conferences. May they make her uncomfortable. She talked about her mental health issues anxiety and such and so she said i'm not doing any of that. She windsor. i ground gets fined. And then says i'm gone. I'm i don't want to be a distraction. Hear anything like that. And she's going to take a little break here la- she's just pulled out of the i guess would be last tune-up for wimbledon So she will not take place Participate in the berlin. Wta five thousand grass court tournament grass court getting ready for wimbledon. And so she's the number two in the world. And i guess we're kind up in the air as to whether she's taking a long break now or whether she plans to return to To wimbledon or not right. Yeah it'd be interesting to see she's really holding your ground you know. She's really holding her ground so the longer this thing goes on the more incidents of her saying i'm not gonna play because of stress and anxiety. The more i begin to understand the the the trouble she seems to be going through right. And i think she's also she's also trying to make things generally better. I think it's a it's not just for her own personal well-being which is a big part of it. Obviously but i think she's also trying to create change her. Here's a quote I'm going to take some time away from the court now but when the time is right. I really wanna work with the tour to discuss ways. We can make things better for the players press and fans and we hope you're all doing well staying safe. I love you guys. I'll see you when i see. You know he's trying to make things better for everybody involved and And may maybe there's other players who just like or maybe she's had enough conversations to know she's not alone in this and so when this thing came up She may be not just fighting for herself on it Give me your thoughts on this thought. tips tv. It's a great story okay. Great in terms of intrigue in terms of commitment in terms of giving up in terms of of holding your ground in terms of saying you know. You're going to walk the walk right. There's not a better example that i've seen the longtime that she's talking the talk and walking the walk but a lot of people have said steve and i've been reading comments that She says i'm not gonna do these. Press conferences because i have stress. Okay because i am suffering from anxiety. And and i don't i don't say that lightly okay. It doesn't say that the dismissive way but some people. Steve have weighed in this week and said okay. Look if you have a physical injury okay in in a sport you're going to go away and get help for it okay. You're going to go away and get and get help. we understand. We're not gonna make you play okay. we're not gonna make you continue to play. You're you're able to pull out and you're going to go get your hamstring fixed. Okay some people are saying that should be the same case with her. You know. I don't agree you don't okay. Okay that she should go get help and then get back here. You know as soon as you can know if if it was a mental health thing where she was twenty four seven anxiety anxiety filled and and miserable than yeah he probably should go and deal with that but it sounds to me like the only thing that's causing her mental health any sort of level of Issue is is the press conferences. I don't think that the mental health is in play. When she's on the court. And i know that some people will say well. You know if you're a great tennis player and the pressure that goes with being a tennis player. You know there's pressure in that too and that would make you anxious competing and stuff. Not necessarily if you're on the court that could be your happy place right. Talked about it before with gretzky. Right gretzky's there on the ice. That's that's a safe haven for him and is a issue whereas the average person the average schmo who loves sports loves playing. They get out in some of the circumstances gretzky or in osaka. Of course they're going to be nervous. They're gonna be out of their minds. But i think in the case of osaka and some other greats that it's just the opposite. They love being out there. That is their peaceful place. That is where they feel most mentally whole so. I don't know that you can make that make that conclusion that she should go away and deal with their mental health. No she could. He could play to the french open and not gone to the press conferences and she would have been just his fine right so here. Here's the thing people are if people are looking at this thing saying well. This is totally unfair to the other players. Okay that she she's not going to have to do a press conference when we do. Okay so i look at that and go. Have you ever watched prescott. We talked about it before. Okay who gives a shit if a player misses those lame duck questions from reporters in press conferences. Okay softball's okay. Even in the loss even in a loss right you're gonna get nothing you know riveting from one of these player so i look at big -til okay a little difference. Tv if they said okay. She has mental illness that she's dealing with so so when she enters a match. Okay she's going to be up fifteen love okay. We're going to give her a little little handicap. Because she's behind the eight ball because she's playing gerber who's got the strongest mental health either. Ever and she doesn't so we've gotta make it unjust that that's the way people are looking at this thing. It's an interesting story line to follow. Because i'm not sure which route that in this case tennis. We'll take yeah. There's lots percolating here absolutely to see what's going to bubble over here. Let's take time out of the program back with final thoughts right after these words. Hey everybody knows that jim kaye. Ford is a fantastic choice to handle. Your automotive needs bought. They are also full service commercial and fleet dealership. They supply the great companies in the ottawa area with work trucks of all shapes sizes and functionalities from a small delivery van. Right up to a big s f. seven fifty whether in towing landscaping or deliveries or any gangway and need a big truck. Jim kaye ford. Help you with the right truck customized for your needs jim k ford dot com fourteen. Thirty eight you vill drive in orleans. Have your insurance rates been going up year over year. You're not alone it's happening. Every i'm josh muldoon's ontario semi attacks and see if i can save you a bunch of money. Eight six zero six zero zero eight all insurance ontario your modern boutique broker and compared of this time last year. The price of a single family home in ottawa is way up through the roof. A curious to know what your home is worth in a blazing hot market like this. You should call. The glenn walton real estate team today for a free no-obligation estimate you'll be shocked to learn what you could get for your home and would similar homes going in this market call. The glenn walton real estate team. Today they are at glen. Walton dot com. What do you think of the montreal canadians. What they're doing. I mean as we record this. We're gonna miss game for in terms of our conversation but the montreal canadians james. Somehow some way were dead and buried after four games in the first round against the leafs there one win away from sweeping the north division. Final like it is blowing my mind that the montreal canadians have gotten this far. Yeah so so. They've won six zero. Haven't that's right there down three one. That's right so they went three two three three three four grade and those are all under elimination circumstances. Yeah unreal unreal. Well the maybe one of the things that i was thinking about was because the jets look so different than they did against edmonton. I think maybe that you sometimes lose your mojo too much time off. Because of course montreal and toronto went seven and montreal basically had i think forty eight hours later writing to the next round whereas the jets were over a week at least eighty seven to nine days and They looked like they haven't come out of their rest face. So and then now all of a sudden wam wam wam. They're down three. Oh and they're almost certainly done. They're almost i mean. Was it up three times in the history of the nhl. I guess if it's going to happen it would be. It seemed like montreal up three nothing because they are the lowest ranked team in these playoffs. Everybody was burying them when down. Three one to toronto like talking about him as a joke. And you know shouldn't have anyway. They've dade caught fire and got a six game win. Streak going at absolutely the right time and they. I mean if you look back at the early start of the season they They had a nice little run there as well. They they they started. Phenomenally out of the gate right here. Here's the interesting thing steve. When you looked at the start of the playoffs. So they were. They were the biggest underdog because of the matchup toronto montreal and everyone looked at. Okay they got no shot okay. Nobody said they had a shot. Not anybody even going. Well you never know. You never happened trait in this thing. And then they looked at it and go. I want to look at the teams right. They're going the wait a minute here. Winnipeg you know. They they can do this against edmonton edmonton might have been a favourite. But i think only a slight favorite and everyone kept saying well. Here's the problem if mudgal ever did do the impossible okay. Then they got to face winnipeg rapid and they got no chance so there. There's one other saying. They got no chance they got shot. No matter what happens they got no chance really okay and they chances now no chance against vegas that we said it'll be the third time in her always said vegas in control now against colorado and Yeah that's who they'll face. It'll be montreal. Taking on vegas and everybody would be saying the same thing. They got a share. They defied all odds and and swept winnipeg and they came back to be toronto. But this time. No chance in this one against the vegas golden knights but we shall see. Do you have a final thought. I have no final thought today james. Do you do this past week. Get a final flam shot. That's flammer this past week anyway. Not nice comments okay as you never met him. But i had a brother joey. There who's killed lots of people know that back in eighty six longtime ago and His birthday's on the second of june. Lots of nice comments will be. I love seeing it every year and So so that was every year we get to look at it and and and you know the people are just beautiful. He was a wonderful wonderful guy. He was my younger brother. But i gotta tell you a great story about him. So these are some of the things stevie that i did that. Probably not only is against the laws steve. But if i've already got caught. I probably would have to do time. Okay okay anyway driving home stevie okay you know my parents had you know. I got to use my parents car. They let let me the car and we didn't even have to pay for gas. Tv back in those days. You remember gas cards. I don't know if you remember like an esso gas card. Sure you remember. They weren't credit cards that you could just use it for so that was always in the glove box. So is no excuse me. I'm driving home to in the morning or something. And i run out of gas on highway. Sixteen okay and i gotta get the car home. Not only that. But i can't get home without gas. Okay i somehow get home. I gotta run out of gas. Leave the car inside. i get home. We have a second car and my brother joy there. And here's the idea. Came up with steve. So he's fourteen or fifty. Okay i go home i gone. I'm going to wake him up. And i'm going to jump in the car with him and We're going to go get some gas. And then i'm going to let him drive the other car home at fourteen years old and i woke him up and he's pissed you know he's been doing what are you. What are you doing. I said this new won't take the car for a drive and yeah so many great memories. Oh my brother. Joey but anyway. We pulled it off stevie. It was like the only way i could describe the scene. Is you know as as i'm doing and going further and further into this transgression of of you know go. Maybe i shouldn't. Maybe you just have to take the heat. And from my mom's the cars outta gas and i know this is okay to drive. The other car is never driven a car before. This'll be fine. And so st is okay. Don't drive too fast. Okay just follow me. Okay are all follow you so the scene was risky business. Wasn't it the tom cruise for the breakout movie for him when driving. The car and the guy is so slow. Do you remember that. Yeah with that well. That was us driving down highway. Sixteen full flashers driving at about thirty miles an hour. If you get every time you get caught for something is probably it. Sounds like there's about ten stories where you did not get caught as well it there. I got more next on the swat all right. Enjoy your day. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Good night we'll see you. Thanks for being with us on the s. Wp please subscribed today or support. 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Analyzing Every Deal from the 2020 NBA Trade Deadline with Ben Golliver (Ep. 180)
"Welcome to the hoop side podcast. My name is Alex Kennedy today was the NBA Trade deadline. They were plenty of move so we have a lot to discuss joining me to break down. All of the moves and make sense of the moves. Is Ben Gulliver. He's a national. NBA Writer for the Washington Post. He hosts the open floor. PODCAST and the greatest of all talk. PODCASTS he also has the post up. NBA Newsletter Ben. How are you? I'm doing Great Alex. Thanks so much for having me bag. We got a lot to get through. It wasn't like there was a bunch of superstars who got traded. You know we didn't see like a top ten level guy go but we did have a bunch of rising stars. Whether you know de the Ngelo Russell Andrew Wiggins I mean that type of caliber of player wind up getting traded for each other in some other notable moves among you know aspiring contenders whether it's the clippers or the rockets or the sixers. So we got a lot to dive into yeah. It was a fun one every time there is talk about. Oh it's going to be a quiet deadline. I feel like it just becomes crazy deadline and there's still a ton of moves the NBA trade deadline never really disappoints. Fortunately so yeah. There's a lot of moves here. I feel like part of it is because they are such a big gap between the top top teams in the league and the bottom teams. There's really not much of a middle class. These days in the teams that kind of were in that middle class teams like the Oklahoma City Thunder or San Antonio Spurs that. Come to mind. They didn't really make any moves. So really you had a lot of contenders trying to pick away assets from the losing teams the the the bottom half teams Oh and then those teams roxy trying to get young players and pick so they can focus on future season so yeah we do have a lot here. Let's start with this. Who are the biggest winners for you? When you well you can be players that can be teams that can be certain executives who were the biggest winners of the day for you? Well I think it's always important to take a step back and realize that just because you didn't make trade or just because you had a fairly quiet deadline that doesn't mean you're not a winner and I always start with the top down right so I look at a team like the Milwaukee Bucks in the Eastern Conference and then the La Clippers in the western conference says the big winners because Milwaukee doesn't do anything but the teams that were chasing them. Whether it's Boston Toronto Philly Miami now a couple of those teams made moves you get Andrea would offer the he'd You know or getting Alec burks for the Sixers but those are not game changing type move. So Milwaukee goes into the deadline in a very restrung position as the favorite in the east and I came out of the deadline in the same in the same spot now in terms of the western conference. I like what the Clippers did. It wasn't necessarily super super splashy but going out there cashing in the Mohawk Liz contract and some draft picks to get Marcus. Morris was a clear upgrade for their frontcourt. I think he fits with what they're trying to to do from a physicality standpoint from versatility standpoint from a shooting standpoint. He's an expiring contract. So you're not necessarily taking on future money I think he fits with with their star level. Players gives him some very nice interchangeable. LINEUPS that they're going to be able to throw out there during the postseason Yeah he's in his prime. You know a veteran at h thirty I just it was a very logical trade deadline. Moving I think they paid a fair price to the fact that they get Marcus. Morris for the clippers and the Lakers. Don't really make any move. Houston kind of go sideways by Trading Click Capella for Robert Covington. That fourteen deal. I think the clippers wind up coming out of the trade deadline week as the clear favorites to win the West. I know they're not that number one but I just think they match up better with everyone especially after making that more strict. Yeah I had. The Clippers is one of my winters to Morris not only fits them so on the floor like you said with the defense and the shooting. He's GonNa fit that culture so well. Those are a lot of guys that are greedy and tough and they really push the two way play. They WANNA make sure you're working on defense so to go from the nicotine. Though struggling all year to the clippers a situation that he should fit perfectly and I love love it and they got their guy to talk that they treat for him last year. That was something that Jeff zeal get from. USA Today reported they tried to sign him in the summer as well. So they've been wanting Morris I for a while So yeah I mean I think that was great for them and they're the rich get richer. I mean they look even scarier now which is pretty crazy. Considering how tough they already looked I think the cavaliers here's our winner for me getting drunk without having to give up much at all in a very low risk high reward move. That was impressive to me. Even if it doesn't work out then and you just part ways with him and you know either in free agency if you resign him or let's say he option to that contract and next year he's expiring deal a twenty eight point seven million dollar all are expiring deal. That can help team so you could try to flip in Oregon. You just let them walk in. It was worth a shot. You didn't give too much for him so I think that was smart and then last thing here for me in terms of winners shout out of some of the younger newer. GM's out there you had thirty-seven-year-old Colby Altman again. In Cleveland Landing Drummond thirty one year old Zach Climate and Memphis abyss. Getting a nice return for Andre Gonzala rather than having to buy him out. He's had a great year. He's done a fantastic job over there. Thirty nine year old. Michael winger the clippers. Getting Marcus Morris US forty four year old travis. Lincoln Atlanta Getting Clean Capella and then forty road. Elton brand adding some nice bench pieces and billy. So it's always cool to see some of those younger newer doing good good job so I wanted to shout them out as far as biggest losers for me I think the warriors stand out. I wasn't a big Fan of return. They got the Ngelo Slow Russell. I'm not a big Andrew Wiggins fan and we'll discuss this more in a second when we talk about the Russell trade ad you like got the first round pick even though it was top three protected affected but I just feel like they could have held onto Russell and kick the can down the road and see you know looked at this off season to see what kind of offers were out there. See if other teams showed interest or or if the offers improved so the warriors out to me and then like you said the Lakers. You know the clippers. Obviously there's a great job of Adam Morris. If like the Lakers missed out on Morris missed missed out NIGGA DOLLA. We heard that they were looking at Dennis. Schreuder and some other options. Now they could still Leeann Darren Collison and be fine but for me whenever you come out of the trade deadline trying to gain the momentum and you're talking about adding Marcus Morris and then minutes after the deadline now you're paying two we'll work out. Jr Smith that feels like a losing move to me so they're in a great position position. Obviously they're one of those teams that they have excellent chemistry. They're so talented. They didn't necessarily need to make a move like some other teams. But if we're just looking at today the trade deadline alone they weren't a winner in my eyes just because they weren't able to really do anything who were some losers. Sit Out to you. Now let me build on your point about the young GM's from a minute ago. I mean what about that. Fourteen trade words all new age Jabs Garrison Rosa's Darrell Darrell. Laurie a SH- LINCOLN ATLANTA. That Tim Connelly's dead. I mean it kind of feels like you know guys like US playing fantasy basketball. The ball thrown together at twelve team for twelve player. Four team trade. I mean I thought that was pretty funny to a great point You know in terms of the losers though You mentioned Andre Very drubbing it. Why Cleveland winds up being a winner? I had to circle Detroit as a loser right. Because it's a franchise level center. At least they thought he was a few years ago. A Guy they definitely could've traded for a a lot more than they got You know at various points of his career. They wind up getting basically nothing back in return whatsoever. It's essentially a salary dump by me. Me John Henson and Brandon. I don't really gonNA help you pick. I mean that's kind of whatever for a guy who's been a leading the league in rebounding and you know he's been a multiple time all striving. That's that's really really tough for them. And it also is just kind of symbolic eight years of the Andre Drummond experience. They never have any postseason progress whatsoever. They get swept wept last year's playoffs and on his way out the door he's tweeting about how there's no loyalty in sports and how the the front office didn't give him a heads up in the whole thing was just sad and depressing and dark so I guess I kind of feel for him a little bit and we'll see if Cleveland's kind of the right fresh start. I'm not super bullish on what that's going to look like with their other pieces there from offit standpoint but I just thought it was a really sad and kind of depressing for things to end in Detroit. I'm actually going to go the other way. Though on the warriors you know. I think I'm just lower lower on de Ngelo Russell than most people out there. I think that you know the the Comeback Possibility of steph curry had a real chance to marginalize Russell and potentially Ashley cut into his trade value. I think he's the books already out on him. As a poor defender below average defender. And then you know I think that you know cashing him for a player like wiggins. WHO's a better fit he'll plug in as Harrison? Barnes two point. Oh just You know kind of a corner. Three shooter a weak side attacker on offense and then you know you expect. Expect him to play some. Hopefully some physical defense on the other end I think that's okay from Golden State your ears kind of swapping bad salary for bad salary and getting some picks out of it. So I'm I'm gonNA defend what they did a little bit at the deadline ear. Even though I know like defending Andrew Wiggins is one of the trickiest things to do on the Internet. You know there's not very many people left to who are willing to stand up for that guy. Feels like he's one of twitter's favorite people to get after. Yeah no I get that and I am lower on Wigan so I think that's why that skews my perception of this deal. We'll Well let's talk about that draper second for people that missed it. The warriors and Timber Wolves agreed on trade us in the Ngelo Russell Jacob Evans in Amari spelman to Minnesota for Andrew Wiggins a a top three protected twenty twenty one first round pick and a twenty twenty two second round pick. I like to steal from Minnesota. I think Karl Anthony towns and de Ngelo. They're obviously good friends. And that's big because towns it's been very frustrated recently but again let's get back to what the warriors got back in return. I'm not a big Fan. I'm not a fan of that that contract but I guess when you're the warriors they're already a situation where a lot of their guys are locked up so I understand that for them. It doesn't matter as much for another team they just Trying to add a guy that can help them on both ends of the floor and the contract isn't as big of a deal for them. But I just think with twenty-three-year-old all-star which is what Russell was he. He was an all star last year. I just don't think that's enough to get back in return. I do like that. They got the draft pick again. Talk Re protected. Twenty twenty. One should be a much better draft twenty twenty based on what the experts are all saying so in top. You're protected. I mean this Minnesota team made it could finish between four and ten could end up being lottery picked so I do think that is very valuable. That's my favorite part of the acquisition here for the warriors I just feel like with wiggins. He's been so disappointing. Maybe maybe they feel like they can help him reach us well potential. We know they've done a very good job of developing guys. They have great leader as a strong culture which may really help someone like wiggins. This could be totally wrong around here. I will admit that maybe wiggins goes there and this is exactly what he needed to reach us and become a better player in guys like Steph and clay and dream on push push him. I just feel like how did they wait until the offseason because they couldn't afford to be patient here. There really wasn't a sense of urgency. I would like to see if there were different offers or different teams that kind of came to the table. I just don't think this is the kind of package that you pounce on when you have a great trade ship and again twenty-three-year-old all-star and no roe pressure to make a move now so but I it is newsday what you're saying. Though had Russell and curry not work together you think that Russell's trade value could have diminished. So I see what you're saying. I'm just not a big Fan. I think that's my problem here. Yeah and I think for Minnesota standpoint It's a very interesting gamble. Because of course they want him as a free agent right and it's always nice to be able to sign a young player like that. If you get the right opportunity comes along but they miss out. It's so let's remember that to make this deal happen. They basically had to ship out Jeff Teague for basically nothing it trade Covington to get some assets assets kinda like sweet things up and they have to wind up trading wiggins out. It's actually make this deal happen with golden state so I don't WANNA say Minnesota gutted their assets but they actually you. You know invest in quite a bit to get Russell. Now the upside to doing that is you're gonNA have a very exciting offensive oriented team where you've got your best players are both all three point shooters with Karl Anthony towns and Diangelo Russel and they should fit together. Great in pick and roll it could pop situations right so for a fan base. That's been through a lot here. Typical era the Jimmy Butler you know You know being upset a few years ago in the long losing streak this year. I think there are some genuine hope and optimism with that pairing between those two guys. But I think my concern is that they really have stripped out a lot of their other proven talent around them and I think that both those guys are just minus defenders and that part it makes me nervous right. Because you know if you're trying to picture these guys is like this inside outside duo right well you want at least one of them to be a plus defender. And I don't think that's it's ever GonNa Happen for either one of those guys and so now it creates some roster challenges where you have to go out and target some other perimeter defenders guys who can help cover up for Russell in towns so that you can at at least be you know average on the defensive end. If you WANNA be a winning team so I guess long story short I think they invested an awful lot of assets. Just make this Russell thing happened and I'm not totally extolled. That he's the right guy to pair with towns but big picture. They did the most important thing which is keep Karl Anthony towns happy. He's their franchise guy he's been disgruntled. You you know for for months now because of all this losing and so I think they do get a short term went out of that. Yeah I agree with that. I think you make good point there. They kind of just blew this whole team up. I mean you look at there was two other trades. I want to say they were part of that fourteen deal and they also traded gorgeous. Dang I mean they made a lot of different moves here so they have a very new look roster hopefully I I think they're trying to appease towns that's early what it feels like. You're you're right about the defensive end. That could be an issue there and I always I never want to overreact. Act and talk too much about a trade. After it happens I want to analyze them and talk about what this could mean. But I'm definitely open to being wrong. This could very well be a great move move for the warriors in a bad mood from the timber wolves. It's always hard a few hours after your trade to really digest it so we'll see what happens with that one. I want to jump around and talk about each of these trade. So let's move on to to the clippers acquisition to Marcus Morris. We talked about a little bit in the beginning there. It was a three team deal with the Nixon. The Wizards Morrison Isaiah Thomas as Isaiah. Thomas went to La La Mohawk list. It's twenty twenty first round. Pick a second round pick went to New York in Jerome Robinson went to Washington. The Clippers are waving Thomas and it seems like they'll continue to pursue Darren Aaron Collison. Who's going away? All of his options over the All star break again clippers wanted more some time they got their guy. We both think that was a great move for them. They just continue to get scarier. Sure They also are very intriguing destination for veterans who are bought out since they're a top team there in Los Angeles great weather there they check all the boxes for a lot of players is that hit the bio markets so we could even see them make another move but As far as the other teams I do like that. The Knicks Traded Morris. I think it's smart business to get a first round. Pick in a second round. Pick for a veteran who sitting under sticking three agency in July. It sounded like before Steve Bill was fired. They were leading to or keeping Morris in trying to resign him in the summer. But I think it was smart the cash about and get some assets back in return as for Washington. This is a pretty minor move but they did turn a thirty year old Thomas who was a minimum offseason signing into into a twenty two year old. who was a lottery? Pick back in two thousand eighteen. So considering where the rat in terms of their development there rebuild. That's a smart move so that's kind of where I stay on this one one in terms of the other teams. What were your thoughts as of this deal as a whole you know like you said? We liked from the clippers standpoint. I'm glad you give the knicks a little bit of loved Alex because I think there are an easy team to beat up on the Internet. Too Right I mean it's a punchline. Hey you're gonNA fire your president two days before the trade deadline. What kind of a crazy organization is this and Going through a transition period trying to hire new front office and everything else They needed to hold the garage sale right. They needed to sell off some of these guys. They signed last summer to just questionable double deals Questionable fits so the fact that they were able to get something for more is Is this a little bit of salvage from what was a really frustrating off off season where they're getting guys like Taj Gibson Julius randle and all these players who just don't fit together and have not worked together on the court at all. So you know I think Kudos to New York for just looking in the mirror and admitting hey look this wasn't our year Let's go get a pick out of it In terms of the cost in front. I WanNa ask you this question with the clippers. I mean if I'm I'm looking at what L. A.. Did or or what the Lakers did to where they're just sitting sitting by and not doing much cost has the opportunity to really play an important Horton role for the Lakers. I mean they need another ball handler to keep the pressure and the burden off of Lebron. He's been wearing down leading games here especially against younger star level players whether Colli or or yawn as Damian Lillard on the Kobe Bryant tribute night. So I think a player like call us and could be really helpful and actually have a big role for the Lakers at the same time. I'm though if you go to the clippers you have less pressure you're joining a deeper roster. You don't have to do quite as much a little bit easier to join and I think your chances of winning. The title are better so Alex. If you were Darren Collison what would you do. Would you go You know take the limelight of the Lakers and play with Lebron and and get a lot of touches and minutes. It's a responsibility or would you go to the clippers may be Maximize your chance for a ring. Yeah it really comes. Down to what factors he's valuing here Does he want a lot lot of playing time in the ball on his hands. Like you're saying you know if they win and get a ton of credit or does he wanNA situation where maybe fit in a little bit better. Maybe he's a better shot at a ring ring. I think I'd probably choose clippers again. I think this team is really scary right now. After adding Morris I like where they're at I think that's a really interesting fit in just knowing what calls in his all about I think he fits that Clinton Organization. I had a chance to go to Indiana recently and I talked to Chad Buchanan and Kevin Pritchard and those guys and we talked about Carson quite a bit because they were talking about how they created their culture their now call us. It played a big part in that and they were blindsided by his decision to retire. They were really shocked but they both said they wouldn't be surprised if he did. Come back and play and it was kind of as those rumors were just starting out So yeah I mean I think calls in is such a strong veteran presence since I think he would help any of these teams he could. He could really help a team around the league right now. He's a great passer in the locker room if I were him. I'd probably choose the clippers. I think you're you're getting your argument. There is pretty good but you really can't go wrong situation. I think he's he's definitely in a spot where he can join one of these top teams. And maybe there's maybe teams it's too. I know I know when chomps rainy was the podcast on Monday he was saying that Denver Philadelphia. There's a number of other contenders that are also showing interesting collison. We're all hearing hearing about the Lakers and the clippers because those are two of the top teams La but there are a lot of other teams showing interest too. So I think that's why he wants to not only consider. Should I make a comeback period over the all star weekend. He also wants to look at all the different options and talk at these teams a bit and see what makes the most sense. What what would you do if you were in his shoes? I think I would go the clippers. I mean one. Other factor is that we've seen Patrick Beverley Gillis a minor injury issues recently And yet a groin the other night. It's just kind of been in and out and I just think that like is definitely the best opportunity to win a title. I think for him would be joined the clippers and I think there's a connection with doc rivers You know he just fits age five flies with you know. Basically what the clippers are trying to do their from just having a real veteran heavy win now type of roster and I do think that like like You know if beverly winds up having injury issues that puts a lot more on sham it makes employees Lou. Williams may be more late in games and I would it be super comfortable having Lou Williams. Just kind Eh. Defense of liability necessarily closing a bunch of games during the playoffs so there could be a a real role for him to kind of fill in the void there as injury protection as an extra ball handler. So I guess if I was saying you know I would choose the clippers. But we'll see what he does in Lakers history the and that fan base and the limelight. That is very tempting though so we will see and even if the clippers don't get call us in. They could still be a destination for other players that are bought our other free agents. That situation is very attractive so I could see some guys considering an clippers. Maybe we'll talk some these guys and see what's out there so clippers may not be done but if they are done I mean they've done an amazing job of really going in and putting this team position to potentially win at all. Let's look at the clavier trade. They acquired Andre Drummond. I'm from the Detroit Pistons. They traded John Henson Brandon Knight Twenty Twenty Three Second Round pick. We kind of touched on this already. This is one of the most surprising moves for me because his all week all the talk about how there was no market for Drummond and probably wouldn't see him traded. Everyone was saying that he wouldn't be dealt even five hours before the deadline Yahoos. WHO's Chris Hands tweeted that it seemed unlikely that Germany would be traded? But things change very quickly around this time of year we see situations where all fluid and then one second guys looking unlikely to be traded. The next second he is getting that call so you never really know. I think there was talk about his opt in or his option and causing some issues here in complicating things he could hit unrestricted free agency this off season or opt in to a twenty eight point seven million dollar salaries so I think that's why Detroit probably got next to nothing for him. I know a lot of fans on twitter. We're wondering how is that. All the Detroit got but that situation complicated things I think certain teams were worried read about him just being a rental and walking certain teams may be worried that he would opt in. And that's a huge salary. So that's something that kind of complicated. The situation I'm I'm not a big fan of the I'm not a big fan of move for Detroit as kind of talked about but great addition for Cleveland again a low risk high reward move. He's twenty six years old to averaging nearly eighteen points sixteen rebounds two steals two blocks and again. If it doesn't work out you just end the experiment. So I'm a big fan of this one for Cleveland. Yes so here's what I would say that it's important moment in time for the NBA. Right because you've got drum. WHO's a traditional center? He's not the world's greatest defensive player doesn't move that well. It got played off the court during the playoffs last year by Milwaukee and their incredible shooting. But he's he's a very very very good rebounder in one of the most prolific rebounders in the entire league. Nick and then he can score a little bit on offense around the basket to write and what this tells us Is that this type of player is just no longer valued as much as he. He might've been three or four years ago. And I don't WanNa say it's like comparable necessarily to Roy Hibbert who's like entire career fell apart where he was all star one year and then the next year he's out of the NBA. I mean drumming can definitely be a helpful contributor for years to come in the NBA. But this does show that when everyone's trying to play pace in space when everyone wants to go with versatile lineup since switch things on defense and get into small ball stuff and You know try to have guys who can defend on the perimeter player with like Andre trae Drummond skill set which is very old school it would be like perfectly at home in one thousand as basketball. Just doesn't really have the same demand in twenty twenties basketball and it's not a huge surprise but I do think when you're looking at that return package. It caused me to raise my eyebrows. And say wow like I knew there wasn't GonNa be people beating down the door for him but man man that's that's basically nothing and I do think that contract part that you're pointing out. There is a great point and I wonder you know. IS HE GOING TO BE A LONG-TERM FIT IN CLEVELAND. Cleveland because You know the Tristan Thompson situation is probably going to need to be resolved at some point. Cleveland was not able to trade Kevin love like many people expected at this deadline. So I just think that they have some things to work out You know in their in their front court and then also just worry from Germans perspective like he's a guy who relies on a point guard to set him up and I think that you know their guards in Cleveland. sexton in Garland are still a couple years away from being real impact level players. I think that they've really struggled at times this year. You're just because of their youth and inexperience and so I think that for Drummond he goes from one. You know pretty dysfunctional or just kind of depressing environment In Detroit to another one in Cleveland. He's just gotTa hope that one of those guards makes the leap and kind of carry symbol along with them. Yeah you're right. He was born about twenty years. Too late I kinda I feel bad for Drummond. Because you're right. You'd be one of those guys that years ago decades ago. He's dominating the League in getting payday so his agency will be interesting too. Because it's like you said this was kind of showing that his value is diminished so much they were executives. We do some pieces before the trade deadline. hoops hype where we talked to executives about different players trade revalue what they could return. The deal and executives are predicting that he would you know return a little bit more than this and there were guys talking to you. They run the league that were surprised when they saw all the packers. Detroit Guy I think a lot of people assumed okay. Well Detroit will just keep him if they can't get anything of significance in return but Kevin O'Connor saying that they were worried that he would opt in so that was something. That kind of added interesting wrinkle this but yeah I mean his free agency will be as well because there are teams that are moving away from centers and especially paying a lot of money to send her so If his trade value here was any indication then free agency could go very differently than I think. A lot of fans would expect for Drummond. Let's talk about one of those teams moving away from centers altogether really at the fourteen twelve player trade between the Rockets Hawks Nuggets and wolves kind of kick things off. It was the first domino to fall. Houston received Robert Covington Jordan Bell and a second round pick Atlanta received clink cappella. and May Minnesota received a leak Beasley. He's leave want. Hernan Gomez Jared Vanderbilt Evan Turner in the Nets Twenty Twenty one first round pick Denver received Shabazz Napier K. debates HD op. Navan lay Gerald Green and the rockets twenty twenty first round pick man. That was so much to read. I'm not crazy about this move for Denver I I do like it for Atlanta As I mentioned in the intro there traveling did a great job year. They've been looking for a center for a while now. They showed interest in Stephen Adams. They had some conversations about Andre Andre Drummond now they get Cappella he's twenty five years old so he's on a similar trajectory as their young core. Houston the interesting one for me. Here they get Covington. He was highly coveted Latino showing interested in him before the deadline and now they're really doubling down on their small ball three point shooting ice. Oh heavy style. PJ Tucker is expected had to play the five for them. COVINGTON play the five bit to Houston also did move Jordan Bell to Memphis for Bruno Quebec blow in separate trade. So they're really small now and again. That could could change. There's always veteran free agents and Guys that get bought out. So we'll see if they try to out of senator. There were some rumors that they were trying to add Someone that could give them a center center on the roster some frontcourt depth. But we'll see what happens there but I think it's very interesting. Bill Simmons recently interviewed Steve. Nash and Nash talked about those Mike. Dantonio let Phoenix Suns teams. That were playing faster than everybody and shooting a lot of threes. But Nash said that when he and Dantonio talked about those days they both regret not doubling cooling down that style and take it even further. You know shooting more threes playing even faster. I think this is Dan. Tony and they're more rockets doubling down on their style of play and it works great. If it doesn't at least you try and did things your way and you don't have any regrets like those sunsets teams do about the way they didn't push things even further for Minnesota. I like to move got number of talented young players. A first round pick. I know they were trying to acquire a first round pick so that they felt more comfortable giving away a draft pick in the NGELO. Russell talks Again not huge fan of the move for Denver because I really like Beasley and hurting Gomez I think they're both solid players. Great Locker Room guys But they clearly wind wand mixing up a little bit. What do you make this deal? It was a very complicated one. You normally see twelve player trades very often. I think the Carmelo Anthony Trade to New York was thirteen players players. But this is one of the biggest trades hadn't awhile in the NBA. Yeah it was a wild trade. I mean I think the the central force of this trade was used. Did I mean they're basically saying look. We cannot continue along with both Russell Westbrook Inkling Capella in our main lineup. Because both guys are non-shooters and they're making life too difficult. Christopher James Harden. He doesn't have enough room to operate. And just you know the game has just been coming harder harder this season than it has been some past years and they've just been more prone to inconsistency from from him so there are absolutely trying to spread the cord around heart and more often and they're also saying look. If we have to match up with Lebron James Leonard in the playoffs. We need to have a guy like Covington. WHO's capable capable of doing that? That sort of the highest priority and the biggest flaw their roster and so they were able to address it. If I were them I would have done that. Move but I don't think it necessarily puts awesome over the top. I think it's kind of like a game of wackle where now they've created problems. Where like if they play the Lakers? It's just GonNa be Dunk Parade ilab parade from Lebron to Anthony Davis Javale McGee and Dwight Howard. I mean those guys are just going to be playing over the top of Houston Small Ball lineup. It's going to be very difficult for them to to match up in that situation so you know they're giving hard and a chance to sort of be as bestself and they're giving the hardening Westberg Partnership As much opportunity to find success as possible but to me it's still think Houston winds up being a team. That's just not quite good enough to get over the top this year. My big winner from this whole deal was actually Atlanta. I like Clint Cappella. You know quite a bit I mean. Obviously he's limited offensively. It's not the words most skilled guy. But he's a talented finisher. A high volume rebounder a good defensive player and I think like if they had to choose between who would you rather have Capella or Drummond. Because the hawks linked to drum and in rumors as well I think they made the right choice. Only giving up a first round pick in Evan Turner basically to get clink. Capella a guy. Who's who was in his mid twenty s who is under contract for a couple of years so you know how much he's going to cause and who should be a really nice target for trae young anti could be the focal local point of your defense? You know a team basically had the worst defense in the entire league all season you know to me. That's a big win for the Hawks and I think they're a step in the right direction. Yeah I agree with you I love it you know. I think they were really warning that cap space and holding onto and protecting it future cap space. But when you get a guy like Cappella you can land. They were willing to take on a guy that had multiple years of his contract and sacrifice that cat space. Because again like you say he's a great fit for them and he can really help going forward for the rockets. They were already kind of transitioning listening in this direction. I saw something saying that February first. Their win against the The Dallas Mavericks. They were the first team in the NBA. In fifty seven years is to play a game without a single player taller than six foot six. So I mean I was super interested in that I mean that was you know. We'll see that much more now. GOING FORWARD WE'RE GONNA see Super Small Ball lineups so definitely be interesting to watch. It's GonNa be fun for us. let's talk about. Let me let me hop on that real quick. I have this this whole philosophy okay. It's called total basketball and people might remember total football from back in the day where it was like interchangeable positions. Everybody kind of is capable of doing everything on the soccer for field and they all kind of share responsibilities and it winds up being something for the greater good. I think what we're headed to in the twenty twenties for the NBA is a vision. Asian of total basketball. And I think the Houston is definitely on the cutting edge. It's where you're going to have basically five guys who are capable of shooting dribbling passing and playing defense we're all gonna be kind of similarly sized and they're basically going to be able to switch everything on defense than You know have five offensive threats on the court at the same time I think. That's like the ideal vision for where the game his going. When you look at how fast they play what you look at how important shooting is to success in the modern league? I think it's just the next natural step. After playing the way golden they played and I think if you look at the clippers. They're almost doing like the incredible hulk version of this where they could put out almost five wings simultaneously. Now especially that the Bhagat Marcus Morris Where these lineups you could build them around You Know Kawai Paula. George Marcus Morris Green Landry shamet something like that where that is is such a new age weird type of conception. You don't have a traditional center. You don't have a traditional point guard. That's a a a really really a tough. Ask to ask another team. The try to match up with those guys in the playoffs and the clippers can do this with like five six seven eight different guys. Were all kind of in that same mold of of being a you know multi-positional wings. I think that's where we're going. I think that's the cutting edge basketball of you even see it with Milwaukee where you're honest is almost like a point center right you can surround him with as many wings as you want and have have a really devastating offense. I think the future is now here a little bit and Houston is just another great data point for this trend. Yeah that's a great point. It's kind of taking the versatility and then really positions basketball to that. Next level will be a lot of fun to watch Masako about Andre. You'd all go into the Miami Heat. It was a three team deal with the heat. Grizzlies and timber wolves. The heat got dolla. Solomon Hill Jae crowder Memphis Dion. Waiters winslow gorgeous Dang and Minnesota gets James Johnson. Listen AG DOLLA also agreed to a two year thirty million dollar extension with Miami. I think a perfect fit for Miami. I love that he kind of came out of nowhere to win. The IGGY sweepstakes the Hicks Miami could make some real noise in this year's playoffs. I like this team. A lot and waiters winslow and Johnson haven't really played a whole season so it's not a huge loss in terms of the guys that were contributing this year. I didn't actually question giving up a twenty. Three road winslow for thirty six years old but winslow hasn't lived up to expectations and and he's been very injury prone so that's something to keep in mind. I was surprised by the extension as well. Especially since we haven't Segalla play and he's thirty six years old and he's been even he has a lot of NBA miles on his body a lot of wear and tear since he's been on quite a few championship runs in Golden State. I mean you look at Steph Curry Klay Thompson. Kevin Kevin Durant Draymond Green. These guys are all hurt. And those deep playoff runs take a toll on guys in usually injuries. Unless you're Lebron James Somehow Because you superhuman. Fortunately I think having eight months off to rest will help a bit. I think he I think this has really been able to extend his career bit it and give him some much needed rest so I think that's good. I do think it helps that the second year of extension as a team option. So I like this as for Miami I really do. Initially I had some questions about it but overall I think it's a a smart move. It sounds like also part of the reason they did that extension or offer that extension is because was it puts them over the top and help them get him. When I read eighty dollars interview with Marc Spears? He was talking about how that meant a lot. You didn't WanNa go somewhere for eighty days. He wanted to be able to go somewhere and commit to them for more than one season so it seems like he was pushing for Miami as well because they wanted to give him that extension. So I'm okay with the move. I think it it makes this team pretty interesting. Do you like the move for Miami. Yeah I think so The part that gets lost to me in this deal is that they also got Jae crowder and he's another guy who can give you minutes in the playoffs and it can be a helpful wing Peace Now is he gonNa be a difference maker. Who puts you over the top? Maybe not but he's a good rotation player and he's given some good minutes to Memphis this season when you look at the the East playoff landscape Milwaukee's Jaanus. An khris Middleton right. You've got Boston. They've they've got a bunch of wings. Jalen Jason Gordon in a in in Toronto you've got to deal with both Pascal in. Og Nobie and then with Philly. You've got a lot of size on the wing whether it's Tobias Jesuit Centre or Ben Simmons to so if you're Miami you're feeling great about how your seasons on your like one of the biggest overachievers in the league. You've you've got this great culture Jimmy Butler step up as your main Guy Bam at a bios and all star. It's all look engrave but you can look at those other teams in Eastern Conference and say you know what they just have deeper wings than US deeper core of wings and you're getting good minutes from Duncan Robinson but that guy you know is relatively inexperienced and so when you're importing both Igwe Dolla An crowder I think that's worth it. That could be the type of move that helps get you into the Eastern Conference finals. I'm not completely convinced. They're quite ready for it yet this year but I do like the aggressiveness. Also a little bit of skeptical about Igwe Dallas Health. Do not only as he missed an average of fourteen games per season over the last four years years just due to injury in Golden State. But he's also broken down at times with minor things during the playoffs. You remember a couple years ago. He missed a good chunk of the Western Conference Conference finals that they almost lost to Houston and then last year. He was really dragging the western conference finals against Portland as well. So that's something to keep an eye on your bringing a man you WanNa take Kazlo. Make sure he can stay healthy and hopefully he can hold up during those big postseason matchups because he would be helpful against Janas or or tatum or any of the other L. E. Players in eastern conference. Yeah absolutely and again props the Memphis. I think a lot of people are thinking. Oh they're not going to get much back in return they're going to have to just buy him out But you know obviously they WANNA get back a few pieces a guy. Justice winslow who as I mentioned hasn't been great and he's been injured lot but he still only twenty three years old so at least you got something for you all. At the end of the day they got a first round pick in order to take on all his contract so to be able to add another piece from that transaction and being able having dolla. You're getting something back from that period of having Udal that makes a lot of sense and has good for rumpus. Let's go through there. There's a number of minor deals that we don't really have to touch on too much all read them off and if there's anything that you want to add we just kind of weekend I'll read them off all together and then at the end we can try jump around a bit if you have any insight. So the Hawks acquired dwayne Dadman two second round round. Pick from the Kings for Jabari Parker. Alex Len the sixers out at Alec Burks Glen Robinson heard from the warriors in exchange for three second round picks. That's probably the biggest deal that we didn't talk about. Just sixers. Get some bench depth and bench scoring the wizards traded Jordan McRae to the nuggets per Shabazz. Napier the clippers traded Derek Wall junior to the hawks for cash considerations. The sixers traded James Ennis to the magic for a second round pick and the blazers traded scallops to the Hawks for cash considerations. I believe that's all the the trades. Are there any that you WANNA touch on. Ben Why do you think it's important to know that Sacramento. I mean they. They spend all this money last summer to bring in Trevor Rees Dwayne dead men and then months later they have to blow the whole thing up and Kinda hit the undo button and tried those guys out and not really get a lot for them. I think if I was a kings fan I would be really frustrated with how this season has gone on on the court and I'd also be really frustrated with Kinda just confusing vision in terms of what he's trying to do. I think the one silver lining for them though is bogged on Gov which is a really nice player and there was some concern they might try to trade him or not. Have enough money to repay in. That would have been a rough loss. It does sound like they've kind of set at themselves up where they are going to be able to take care of him this summer in free agency. It's not totally clear. He wants to be there but at least you know maybe they're going to be in a position to to retain him so I guess set the silver lining but from those minor deals that you mentioned. That's the one that kind of jumps out to me. I just you know I I feel a little bad for the kings fans and you know I feel like this has been a a completely completely lost year. Where their off-season envisions just did not come to fruition? Yeah that's a great point. I think it's funny. The hawks are kind of the Anti rockets right now. They got cling Cappella. Ella Dwayne deadman galaxy. They're like give us anyone that's tall. We love it a pretty interesting. So we'll see what happens there. Let's end on this note. Obviously after the the trade deadline Focus kind of shifts to the buyout market which players could be available through buyouts or through free agency just to be clear. It's worth noting that Isaiah Thomas Trey Burke Tim Frazier. They're all getting waived so there are not going to be bought out. They're just GONNA be free agents after being waived we mentioned Darren Collison already gotten to that you have. Jr Smith working out for Lakers trevor. Booker Amir Johnson. There are some other big men that are out there that have been staying in shape and they'd be talking to some teams about possible deals after the deadline. But if we're our staff hoops hype. uh-huh came up with a number of guys that could potentially be buyout. Candidates and that list is dion waiters. Evan Turner Tyler. Johnson MS Mack biondo Brandon Knight. It Marvin Williams Solomon Hill Courtney. Lee John Henson in Matthew Villanova of that list are there any is that you know think could be a contributor on a big team Or a top team Evan Turner. I know he's kind of been the one that people are talking about so far that he could make sense in Boston or Miami. Who are some of these guys that stand out to you you know? That's an awesome list. I mean very thorough work by you guys I mean Turner is named definitely pops to me. I think Marvin Williams pops as well. I mean just because he's such a clean fit again. It's a veteran guy. He knows exactly what his role is going to be. Stretched the court play a little defense and and not causing headaches problems. I mean that'd be another one where I could see maybe M. cutting loosen and helping someone but You know when I look at kind of the powers in both both conferences. Whether it's the Clippers Lakers and bucks in those those those teams feel pretty firmly entrenched to me like there's no disrespect to Denver or Utah or in the Eastern Conference Toronto Boston. Those kinds of teams but I'm not sure any of those names that you mentioned are really moving the needle and and narrowing the gap between the top tier teams. I view as the top three the to La Teams in Milwaukee Walkie and then the rest of the pack. And I'm not sure there was a true difference maker from that group. Do you feel differently now. I agree with you. One thing in mind to you. And this is something that would talked about with with the Milwaukee Bucks and chomps talked about with the Los Angeles Lakers both of those teams really value their chemistry. They feel like they have an excellent locker room. Shaam said that the Lakers chemistry mystery is beautiful and something to behold woge said on his. ESPN trade deadline. Showed that the bucks feel really comfortable. And they're kind of concerned about taking anyone out of that locker room or adding anyone new in because the perfect right now so that's always something that they consider it to you. I think we we an fan sometimes have that fantasy basketball mindset lego this. This guy can help that team. But there's always the off the court locker room chemistry side of this as well and if the bucks feel like they have an amazing locker room and the Lakers feel like their chemistry is amazing mazing. Then that's considered to you when you're talking about who may be taken away in terms of waiving someone who you might introduce in terms of free agents or by players so that's always something that I think is interesting to just the the off court applications. Here yeah man I I. That's right on the money. I think that the clippers came out This week as well saying look. We want Paul George Inquirer boats that we wanna keep with these guys. Were glad that we're not in a bunch of rumors. We like our group. Going forward with the Lakers. Do have amazing chemistry. I've been spending time around them. This season and they also felt like Kobe. Bryant's death brought them. Closer together. Ryan I think you know. I wasn't surprised at all to see. See them like not trade Kuzma for example like he's a major part of what they're doing and to have that kind of a big move right in the middle of all that would be it'd just be weird and it would cause is locker room issues so yeah. I think that you know winning. At the level of those teams are winning out is always a combination of talent chemistry and you know just personalities personalities being on the same page and so you know. It's a relatively quiet deadline overall and especially for the best team. I wasn't surprised by that. You know I think that they Sheila. They've got positive momentum so why try to fix it. If it's not broken for sure well then you have a Lakers game to get to you so I won't keep you much longer. Thank you so much for joining me to break down all these deals every appreciate your time. Thank you so much. Oh It's my pleasure. Alex Take Care of and best of luck with everything and congrats on this and everything else and we'll talk talk soon. Thanks so much. I really appreciate that. Make sure you guys are all falling bent on twitter. Checkout all of his work with the post check out the open floor podcast and the greatest of all talk podcasts. He also does a fantastic job with the post up. Newsletter Ben is the man. If you guys WANNA listen we're episode the Hoop say podcast. CHECK US out on apple podcast spotify wherever your favorite podcast are found and until next time. Thanks for listening.
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"Maybe baker just really needs to move into a house of his own instead of living in his stadium like those commercials. No at a certain point you start to get concerned for a guy. Hey there welcome to hot. Take down the shore. The hot takes the sports world. Meet the numbers that proved them rights or down. Today is january fifth twenty twenty happy new year. Everybody i'm clear. The sports editor at five thirty eight joining me in new york city is senior. Sportswriter neil pain hainkel. Hey sarah happy. New year to you and to you from los angeles as fivethirtyeight contributor. Jeff foster jeff. Hello sarah hello neil. Hey look we're just going to be very. This is twenty twenty. I'm going to be very polite. The nicest or not gonna have any grievances about how someone was introduced or not introduced to on time in my case. You're going to bring it up even when you were. That's amazing i like it. Oh i'm not i'm not. This is were very polite. Happy new year everyone indeed. Well god bless us everyone. yeah How 'bout we era grievances about our nfl survivor pool. We could start off with that sir sir. Sure now we have our results. And i am thrilled. Because the ravens thrashing of the mangles delivered me a brilliant comeback tie. Yeah that satisfy not even a little after fifteen weeks of this pool because we didn't start until week three because we're a little slow. Neil and i ended up tied with twelve points apiece while jeff ended with eleven making our week. Seventeen picks before week sixteen really worked my vantage since neil had picked the chiefs and they rested. Everyone lost to the chargers australian chirping all year. About how you were waiting too long on the chiefs in this situation. It's going to happen. I think i was back chirping as you. Were not wanting to talk though last place but if i listened to the guy in last place i could have been in first place. That's how was i going to take. I don't know it's whatever who cares who cares official stance. That's how neil feels about ending the season tied with me the worst. Hey if i hadn't. If i hadn't picked in two different vikings games. I would have easily won on today show. We'll talk about the college football national championship game. Alabama takes on ohio state next monday. And how the semi final games did or did not change. Our opinion of the playoff committees choices will also chat about the nfl playoffs and the super wildcard weekend. We have ahead of us. And finally we'll take a deep dive into data with our rabbit hole of the week. This year's college football national championship game is set number. One alabama absolutely rolled a just happy to be nominated notre dame and justice fields and the number three buckeyes put on a revenge fueled performance to beat second ranked clemson ending the college career of trevor lawrence and sending him to the jaguars presumably now just in fields face mack jones and alabama's considerable offensive weapons on espn sportscenter. Tim tebow savored. The matchup at quarterback back jones. Like i said yesterday has the highest. Qbr in the history of the metric of the history of keeping he has the highest qbr. And so i'm going to give a slight nod to mack. Jones for the consistency factor. Plus the weapons are around him. I think there are a little bit more elite than the weapons around justin fields at ohio state. But what a quarterback match. I mean both of these guys playing with such focus such a chip on their shoulder such determination. I'm excited about this national championship. As i have any the playoff. I'm so so excited because both of them are playing at such an elite level in their hot right now and so we're going to have something special on january eleven. So let me start by asking you guys this. Are you so so excited for this national championship. I mean not as excited as tim. Tebow it sounds is not possible. I guess tim just for enthusiastic about everything he you know. He likes to attack life and enjoy it. Who can blame him honestly. I guess it's exciting. That it is not alabama versus clemson. Will there be next year. They'll be nostalgia for alabama probably not. Can we get that. Can we get the cavs versus the warriors in the nba. Final like really wanna live my life as though it's twenty seventeen but actually kind of a little bit at the moment. Yeah well all right. So jeff did did justin fields kind of alter the expectations for ohio state with his performance against clemson or or do we expect alabama to walk away with this game. I don't expect him to walk away. I mean i as a jet fan. I was like scouting that game fields. And i was very impressed. I mean he. He looked incredible. Some of the throws was making the fact that whatever happened to him. I mean he was clearly hurt very injured And probably shouldn't have been playing but he was played And i like orion day was like. Yeah he's tough. He's gonna play unlike so does he not have a choice in the matter. you know. He was missing his top receiver in that big ten championship game. So i think we saw you know what he's capable of with a full arsenal of weapons even though they were down one other top running backs as well Master teague but that being said the throws i mean what were they. One of them sailed sixty ours in the air. It was incredibly impressive It was a great performance and precise to that. That's what got me like. How the precision that he threw those long balls. I was just like oh hello. Yeah so i wouldn't count him out by any means That being said he's going into a buzzsaw. Because i think this even by alabama team standards this is one of the better ones that have. I might not be the best defense. They've had. they've certainly defenses. But in terms of offense is right up there with the best offenses pat in the same era. And i do like the how the seesawing Assessments of fields are just so indicative of the small sample that this season has offered where it's sort of like after the the big ten title game. It was like is justin fields even the second best quarterback draft behind trevor lawrence in the now at see-sawed completely the other way and now it's like hey is he may be better than trevor lawrence. I don't think that that that's a little too far. But i do think it's is funny where it's like it really is a microcosm of how our assessments of like everything have been in in this college football season where it's like one game on the one hand it's only one game but then on the other hand it's one seventh of ohio state's entire season so it gets a little bit extra weight especially considering came against clemson. Yeah i yeah we do. We didn't know. I've been saying we don't know enough about the big ten and and and how bad it is but they're also things we don't know enough about the big ten and the teams that are good to like. We don't really know that much about any of these teams. When they haven't played that much time you know and so i. I saw many tweets on saturday. Which is my first from About ohio state showing that it deserved to be in the playoff. Which wasn't that. The buckeyes couldn't win in the playoff. It's that they didn't play the necessary games to get into the playoffs and the committee decided to just not care about the regular season. Also i will hold firm to my beliefs. The big ten is wildly overrated this year regardless of how ohio state ends up and that of conference overrating contributes to everything being out of whack. The bottom teams in that conference are so bad. Whatever anyway jeff given your position as as the given your position as the ardent buckeye defender on this podcast what does their flogging of clemson mean for the whole process doesn't mean anything. This isn't such a tricky question. It's a broken process. As i said and we have this weird variable of the covert year. Where all these games are being canceled. I just all i was saying. I was defending ohio. State is that. They shouldn't be punished because their conference was a little bit. Whe- their conference was ready to cancel the season. Let's remember let's go back a few months like they were out in front of it. Along with the mac saying we're not playing football this year. It's not safe. And then the sort of peer pressure got to them. Were like oh every once plane okay. I guess we're playing to were starting later is short schedule. And then a bunch of games are gonna get cancelled along the way. It was kind of a messed up process to begin with because there's no central body that has any control over these conferences. And i. I don't think the players on that team should be. You know downgraded because they only played six games going into that game i and and i think it they were making their decision to let them in based on the talent and the team sort of going into the season the team on paper and i think sarah un issue with that is that it should. It should be a clean slate. But i saying it is. It's not necessarily fair to a team. That never even has a chance to prove themselves to say They're not good enough but as they didn't play enough games they didn't they didn't they didn't go out there and Risk risk their lives against deadly virus as much as some other teams that were more liberal about a when we can start playing and when we can start practicing i think honestly i think i hold that roller coaster decisions against them and against ohio state because they were the ringleader of wanting to play. Because that's true. I mean they they won't nebraska come on home. Lots of things again. They were they were the two recliners but if they were the ringleader. I mean they were the that means that they would have preferred to play a larger sample of game. So it's sorta like we're holding against them that they played not enough games but if they had had their way they would have played a full schedule. It's the other teams that were standing in the way of them. Playing more games if them they but they but okay yes. You're right in the term in terms of the general schedule but the reason they had games cancelled was because of covert outbreaks including on their own team so they they wanted to play so badly in the middle of a pandemic and then they didn't keep themselves healthy and keep their students their students. They're young people healthy the whole season and i do hold that against them and i hold the whole thing against them. I mad about matt about a swell. Yeah and it does make sense like you know. Fact that i think all of these special exceptions were made like maybe the big ten chose to play at all in part because they knew that ohio state had potentially really special team that could potentially win the national championship and then they broke the rules for them about qualifying for the conference championship game because they knew that this team had the potential. At least to do what they did against clemson and then they did that against clemson so it is sort of like a question of on the one hand you have to admire the talent. They have to be able to do this. And that was the driving force behind all of the decisions that were made and the decision to put them in the playoff Because like we said it wasn't necessarily as much based on resume was based on talent on the other hand you know it's it does run into some of the other schools that played more games than had resumes. And this that and the other and it all comes down to this sort of inconsistent logic of college football honestly. This is the only sport where this happens. I mean you could argue. That happens in college basketball with the decision making in in the who makes these tournaments but at the same time they allow so many teams in that it's never it's never really that important to a teams like championship prospects. Whether or not there a bubble team or a you know an it team so this is the only time it happens but if you go to an i know we've been banging the drum on the game play of as most people are for a long time. At least you'll give these teams an end point. Where if we win this conference in were in a power five conference Sorry group five. Were not quite there yet. We will make the plates kinda like washington football team. We win this division. Even if we're terrible were going into the playoffs. We know that it's very clear We we don't have to wait till a bunch of people get in a room at sit around a conference table and and make a decision More sitting in a zoom and make a decision in this case. And that's really the way it should be. It should be in the pac twelve and it should be in the big twelve to. Which are these two conferences that we see year after year or cannibalizing. Each other You know washington is great and then they lose. The usa. Oregon is great and then they lose to washington. I can't i. I like keep going back to this. This you know obviously. Ohio state and alabama are recruiting powerhouses and and like that reputation of course helps them recruit more kids who are five stars and and helps them keep winning on the field. But that recruiting also factors heavily into the ratings of those teams which then of course has to factor into the committee's selection this season it. I mean the potential of teams player. It seems to me that that was given more weight than what actually happened. On the field by by these rating systems. I mean like. I cannot let go of the fact that this wisconsin team that i really like they are. They're ranked eighth right now and espn's football power index ahead of nine and one after four and three seasons like that. I cannot get over that. And i and that contributes to my opinion about the big ten meal. Am i wrong about all of this. Does a recruiter does a teams recruiting strength matter. Maybe more than anything else at this point. Well you know. There's been a little bit of research into this. So i found a paper. By jeffery mankin. Julio rebus and jeffrey j jewel in two thousand nineteen called the effectiveness of college football recruiting ratings in predicting team success that people can look up and they found they basically looked at the twenty four seven sports class ratings and tried to use them to predict the saccharin. The jeff sagger in power ratings for each team and they found that recruiting rankings. Explain about thirty six percent of the variation sagging ratings. Just kind of by themselves. So i don't know you tell me. Does that sound high or low. Because that seems a little bit low actually. I was a little surprised to see that number. I would have expected it to be higher and of course. This is like longitudinal. It's across every team and there could be effects where you know it's much higher for the top teams because it does seem like it is constantly the top teams who are at the top of the recruiting list. But i think that. That's also interesting when it comes to somebody like steve sarkissian leaving alabama as coordinator going to texas because there was a stat that looked at who had the most. Espn top three hundred recruits over. The past i think like four or five years or something like that And where the those teams ranked in winning percentage and so you had like alabama had the most. They had seventy six and they were first in. Winning percentage not surprising georgia was second seventh and winning percentage ohio state third second in winning percentage lsu fourth. They were tenth in winning percentage. And then you had clemson who was six and there were third and winning percentage but the big outlier. There is texas at number five. There are only thirty third and winning despite having the fifth best recruiting class. So it's not perfect but it does lineup reasonably well for those top teams when we're looking at how it translates to winning on the field and could say texas. Maybe that's the reason why they fired tom. Herman and they're bringing in steve. Sarkissian is hoping to convert recruiting into onfield success. But it does seem like all of these. Other powerhouse programs have done a really good job of creating these pipelines that self sustained. And you win more. And then you recruit better and then you win with those recruits and it's very difficult for teams outside of that group to kind of break through the top of that list. I mean it's totally real. Look into how. These teams are unbelievably deep ego. Back to that. What was a twenty seventeen national championship. Where nick sabin has the luxury to decide the future. Nfl quarterback jalen hurts is in Isn't getting it done so he can bring in true freshman future. Nfl quarterback to a tagliavini ville a pronounce. The name right there. it's just a luxury they have. I mean they lose jalen widely considered the best wide receiver in the country in the first week and now they have a wide receiver probably or may win the heisman trophy it. The depth is unreal an end the same thing unfolds at some of these other programs like the like florida are like georgia and like ohio state and oklahoma they they just have incredibly div and clemson certainly also incredibly deep rosters with so much talent where there be teams are superior to the majority or the vast majority of the eight teams of the of contrary. Well how about the last ohio state. Champion where j. t. barrett goes down with an injury and cartel jones who i'm not sure has been heard from sense Steps in plays great. They win the national championship and then he gets replaced the next year and they also have braxton miller a couple of years you know. It's just like they had this unending. A procession of quarterbacks and i think that's true of all like the second and third stringers on these top programs can can kind of come in in case of injury and just they'll be fine. They'll be totally fine and they can win a national championship that way. I wonder if they have those players will stop going to those teams though if they think that l. like be discarded purse to be. Yeah that's sorta supposed to be the theory behind it and people were thinking. Well that's why we see. So many quarterback transfers now is that you have the top teams sort of hoarding. These guys out of high school and then whoever doesn't win the qb competition transfer somewhere else and you saw jalen hurts me. You know he went to oklahoma and was amazing And so i guess that's the failsafe in the system to kind of equalize things but it's one of these like invisible hand of the market type Things not like a an enforced way of creating parity there's no way to create parody with this. The one interesting idea that i did see was by guy at usa today. Let's see tim. Walters of usa today. He suggested that there should be a cap. On the number of four and five star recruits that any team can sign in a given class and that would basically force the wants. Notre dame and once clemson and ohio state alabama run out of their their quota for four and five star recruits then. Whoever's leftover has to go somewhere else. And i don't know how fair that is to the kids. You know wanting to go wherever they want to go and also would create a lot of chaos. I would transfers where you'd have teams skirting this you know. Oh i didn't sign you out of high school but then come on and transfer to me you know when the moratorium is lifted but at least it was kind of an interesting idea. About how do you put in a salary cap type system to control talent accumulation in a sport that has a pretty big parody problem. I don't know if i agree with that. He i think that would be that. Sounds like football recruiting socialism But i i think you could. It used to be hard to transfer used to have to sit out a full year and it was tough and now i think these guys will go to these elite programs realize a pretty low on the depth chart. I'm gonna go somewhere else. Run guaranteed to start where he used to be able to make that part of the recruiting process being like. Hey you wanna play you. Come here i mean. I was safe quarterback brock party. He was recruited to alabama. And he i think saw the line not gonna play there and you know and is a is a starter on top ten team so hey. The system works trafton. Teams can't get drafted not next year. Because he's coming back But yeah eventually eventually. Yeah but so texas there. This interesting wrinkle. Where the the recruiting hasn't translated into success necessarily in espn's fbi. They are ranked sixth right now again. Like amazing but because they haven't made that leap into that success they they're going with steve sarkissian who also hasn't necessarily had that success. But that chasing what alabama has i think is what these teams will. Just you know continue to do because it's working right now. Jeff what do you. What do you think about that higher will will it cause any trouble dick sabin either. Probably not monday but maybe down. The line is old hat for nick. Sabin back the amount of time. He's lost coordinator before its final game. I believe it's five times. So i think they'll be fine. I mean he's very committed to this this game and i don't think it's gonna affect alabama whatsoever i did i did see that. Texas and alabama have a home and home series scheduled for twenty twenty two twenty twenty three. Which so that. That'll be fun. Theoretically it'll be between those guys. Yeah but i mean you know you look at sarkissian and you're right as a head coach. You know it wasn't like he wasn't working with a lot of talent at usc and he didn't even last a couple years there And then with washington. You saw chris peterson. Come in right after Sarkissian left and them to a whole other level. So yeah It's kind of you know if you already have the recruits. I guess maybe you have to identify. Was it a recruiting problem and his previous stops or was it a coaching problem at his previous stops. And where do those lines blur in college football right now because it is so much it's thirty six percent about recruiting So you know Yeah it's it's kind of a question of getting the talent versus doing something with the talent once you've had there but you can look at sarkozy and say like maybe he didn't actually even maximize the talent. And if that's the problem for texas seems to be maximizing the talent not getting the talent we talked about the number of top three hundred recruits. They have over the years. And by the way i As a michigan fan who hired a former offense coordinator josh gad is to be our offense coordinator and you know when when we made that hirose like oh well then were. Offense is going to be awesome. We had alabama we got alabama's offense quarter. It doesn't always work out. It doesn't always work out all right. We'll take a while to see how that works out but we will know by next week how the college football championship plays out again. Ohio state and alabama face off on. Monday we'll talk about that next tuesday. All right let's take a break and we'll be back in a moment to talk about the nfl playoffs. We have made it through week. Seventeen and the nfl proved it can play a season during a pandemic give or take a few postponements and games played without entire position groups. The playoffs are set beginning with an expanded six game wild card round this weekend. The kansas city chiefs in green bay packers top seeds in their conferences. Get a by of course. There is still plenty of familiar faces. In the wildcard round. The saints will see if they can shake off their recent bad luck in the playoffs and the mar- jackson we'll see if he can shake off his personal bad luck though washington football team. Maybe thanks in part to an assist from eagles head coach. Doug peterson we'll play a wildcard game after four seasons out of the playoffs of course maybe the team. That's happiest is the cleveland browns who have not seen the postseason. Since two thousand and three they played the pittsburgh steelers whom they beat in week. Seventeen to clinch the sixth spot in the afc or might technically be more accurate to say. They beat the steelers backups. Last week as several key players sat. And they'll actually play pittsburgh on sunday another wrinkle for the browns on tuesday morning. It was announced that coach. Kevin stefanski tested positive for covid nineteen and will be available for the wild card game and the browns practice facility has been closed yet again. Were obviously not sure how that will affect the team going forward. But regardless of how this specific game goes on the wringer fell show kevin clark posited that the browns have already one to me. I'm intrigued to see next week. Because i think the steelers win this game but i think that this browns team has gotten significantly better since then i feel like kevin stefanski. Who by the way was able to do all of this stuff with no training camp with a short training camp not as no offseason didn't even meet his players until august the fact that he's able to get this team to improve this much in a short period of time is a testament to everybody in cleveland at our level. They've done i don't think they have they. They have what it takes to win next week But i don't think that we should just sierra for the first time no it's been eighteen years since we've sat here on a week. Seventeen sunday ends in the browns. Go on the playoffs. I don't want this season to feel like a failure for anybody This is success for cans. Fancy baker mayfield andrew berry who i spoke to in august. And he said our jobs to make the quarterbacks life easier mission accomplish okay. So i'm this is a victory for the browns. They should be extremely happy with with with how far they've come. Jeff should we look at cleveland as a team. That's already turned in success story this year or do the browns needs to actually win a playoff game. I am most cases. I would probably say no. That's not much of a success to make a playoff year they expanded the playoffs inexplicably Why are we expanding the playoffs. Joe really remember that that was pre covid too. Yeah right that's right No but i think in this case it's a it's an accomplishment. They should be happy. I mean considering all that team is gone through since they rebooted which is just ugliness and firing coaches left and right and changing quarterbacks and drafting new quarterbacks and You know all that. This team needed this. And i think it's a step in the right direction. Obviously i think you know as kevin says kevin stefanski done an incredible job there and even though they didn't beat the jets which is inexplicable good for them. Visit a step in the right direction for sure. I don't know. I think the thing that's kind of missing is. I'm still not sold on whether baker is the long-term answer. I think you know when you have a good coach and a good system your plane within your talent often. The you know the team will win. And we certainly saw this. Jared goff in and mcvay and then they'll reward that quarterback of a big contract and commit to him. And maybe the quarterback wasn't you know as as as important as the quarterback is in especially with this team and how dependent they are on the run. I don't know if he's going to be the long term like franchise quarterback that leads him to multiple playoffs and multiple deep runs That that is to be determined that being said you know bakers a hard player to get a read on you know. Sometimes he looks incredible and does look like a of quarterback that can lead a team for longtime other times particularly when there's a defender in his face. He looks borderline in nap so We'll see long-term how they do but they've clearly got something going there meal. What is the next step for cleveland. What should they is there. A certain thing they should be looking to do with their off-season. Well i mean. I talk like avoid lost to win the screen. Sure there's certainly a lot of ways that they can win that game. I worry about them a little bit as a team that is prime to maybe take a step backwards after the smoke has settled on this season. And you kind of look forward because yes they. They won eleven games but at the same time they were outscored by eleven points this year despite the eleven and five record And the you know you would expect a team that got outscored by eleven points. A five hundred record at best So they could be a team that sort of as a candidate to regress going forward. I think about the two thousand seven browns. It's a little bit of a different story. But that team went from a foreign twelve to ten six and they outscored opponents by twenty points so they actually were Thirty one points better in terms of point differential in two thousand seven. This year's browns were and the very next year they collapse back to four and twelve and it was just part of this. Like procession of terrible. Cleveland teams now. Baker mayfield is probably better And has more potential than derek anderson at quarterback so i think we've seen from baker lot of a lot of lows. Maybe it averages out to be kind of a average middle of the road type of quarterback which again maybe that's better than derek anderson but not like leaps and bounds better And their defense is bad you. They ranked twenty six this year in defensive. Points added per game Twenty-six against the pass specifically and twenty fourth in pro football reference is simple rating system which adjusts the number points. They allow per game for the strength of opposing offenses. So by whatever metric you wanna kind of look at it. They need to upgrade their defense. If they wanna make a splash going forward and they also need yeah mayfield to continue his progression and he was a lot better this year than he was last year. That's objectively true. And probably one of the most improved quarterbacks. Outside of you know like josh allen and guys like that Just because he went from being pretty bad at times last year being okay you know and i actually do think dave legitimate shot to beat pittsburgh even though they got completely trucked by them at pittsburgh earlier in the year and their worst loss. Clearly i do. I think i wonder too. That was sort of a different Pittsburgh team too. You know that was a much more bounce pittsburgh team than the team now with that still seems to be kind of reeling Aside from their comeback against indianapolis the the browns are interesting to given the weirdness of this cova season having to play a game without any wire receiver which like got to imagine that hurt baker a little bit. That hurt me and survivor. I probably did some important now. So it's a little hard to but yeah the the defense seems like it has to be a focus for them in the off season To to get this team a little bit more to fit that profile of what eleven teams should be. I am excited for this match up. Though i think it'll be good to to see the boat the steelers and the browns. I think this will give us a pretty good answer to which team is better I don't know although the wildcard match-ups all there are a lot of really fun matchups. This weekend i mean you know the it's interesting how it turned out that the rams and seahawks are playing each other mean that. Nfc west has been so strange this year the ravens who look also on fire now have to play the titans which has sort of been cretin problem. Yeah exactly Yeah the like one of the games. That's not interesting as much as the bucks in washington after washington made it in after a An interesting game on on sunday night. A questionably coats game. I just i also love. That game was on national. Television like nbc. Must just been like you've got to be kidding. Me part of the hullaballoo around that game was that you know it was optioned into the lake game and and if that that hadn't happened. I might have flown a little bit more under the radar but everyone was watching and it was the most important like when we broke it down and looked at its influence on the ripple effect of its influence on every team's playoff odds. It actually was the most important game just because it determined the fate of all these. You know bad. Nfc east ianfitz still teams. Yeah i mean it was the right call except for that like oh yeah. This is the nfc east. Maybe we shouldn't do that. It was the right call in every way except for that. Like just that little extra something. So we've talked a lot about taking over the course of of this season and in previous seasons and how it becomes hard to distinguish between a bad team flamed badly and a bad team tanking so to steal a question from our friends. At the politics podcast was the was. The eagles benching of jalen hurts in favor of nathan held a good use of taking a bad use of tanking or not at all. I mean i guess it was a good use of tanking in the sense that philly now will have the number six pick in the draft as a result of it. So that's like all you care about then and maybe that it should be all you care about in the last quarter of a meaningless game that you have no chance there's no stakes for you whatsoever. Lots of stakes for the new york giants. But there you're bitter rivals who also the football team a little like. Who are you helping here. I think it was a granted. Okay so sixty nine is a guess significant. Yeah it's probably significant in terms of draft order optically. It was a disaster. It it looked bad. It was a you know you had the announcers collins orphan them michael's basically openly mocking saad bell who And the and the eagle liver probably wasn't great for sud veld's career. Let's i feel bad for saad failed. I mean come on. That's not fair. But also here's why. I think it was a bad decision because they don't i don't think they have any clue What they're going to do it quarterback with hearts and and and wentz and and here's a chance to see what hurts can do. Can he lead this team back and win. This game was within exactly nodding so leader. So yeah i'm totally one hundred percent on the same page with you jeff. But you don't you don't have a lot of film on this guy in real real football situations against an opponent. That is doing everything to win to you. Know by the waves and a great defense You know he wasn't playing great but he also was plane. Okay i mean. He ran for two touchdowns moving the ball Against a tough defense. I would have been interesting to see what he could do and i think maybe he let's say he leads a philly back to win that game. And maybe that makes that decision easier. Because now i have no idea what they're gonna do well with person wins. You know actively trying to get off the team. I don't think he's going to start next year i do. I think there's some you know chase young was if jalen hurts gets injured in that game. Then we have a completely different conversation about why doug peterson left him in. You know i. I just feel like the stakes for for philly were nothing. Yeah but also i. I don't have any sympathy for the giants. I mean boohooing. Six games habit that you're a bad team you should they can but you know i have family in washington and and even washington fans are like. We made the playoffs. Yeah they're not even like that happy about it so all right well so our regular season survivor pool is done. But we're not quite ready to let go of it so we're going to do a survivor pool for the playoffs to to keep keep some skin in the game for us. It's them truly important high stakes skin in the game. So all right. Here's what we're gonna do. Everyone can choose any team again and we'll see if we can make this so it doesn't end in a tie. This time a team a win will be worth two points instead of one. If you have already picked all the teams remaining in the playoffs you can still select a team but that win will only be worth one point and after the conference finals. Whoever is in third place will be eliminated before the super bowl. If all three of us are tied. I'm not sure what we do. Then we'll figure that out as we go. These rules are fluid. That's what makes it fun. So our producer. Wonderful producer has randomly selected a pick order in that order for this week. Is i me then. Jeff and then neil so i'm going to take. I'm going to pick against football team because of course because football team shouldn't be there. So i'm gonna take a tampa bay aright jeff. Who who will you take. I I don't wanna take the bills. Because i feel like. I want the bills. Look amazing although you know that that could see that going either way because india's a emmy nagy case for anything i'm gonna actually take same seattle the seattle even though. I'm a little little wary of this pick because I just think what's going on with the rams and the quarterback. I just don't think they're gonna have enough to get over Russell wilson even though their defenses plane. Amazing i see it being close. I'm probably going to sweat it out. That pick is dedicated to our former producer grace lynch. Who's a huge seattle fan. And who got after both me. And neil for not picking the seahawks during the regular season will. This is just for grace. Okay jeff sorry jeff. You've got to see neil. Who do you have. You guys have left me with Some interesting choices. But i'm gonna talk. I'm gonna take team. We talked about earlier. I'm gonna take the pittsburgh football steelers in one. Wow that haunts me. I was thinking about taking the new orleans football saints. Because i think they're actually probably the biggest favorites around. But i want to save the saints for later but who knows. Let's remember the seven and nine talking about the seahawks. A seven and nine seahawks making the playoffs a number of ten years ago whenever that was and everyone thought they were the worst team to ever make the playoffs because they didn't know about the two thousand twenty and east see the future. And what did they do that. They beat the saints at home. Granted they had a pretty big homefield advantage because they hit full crowd and allowed one at that squash level of exactly. We will see how this super wildcard shakes out. But i think we can end this here for now and we'll be back in a moment for a rabbit hole of the week at five thirty eight. We often find ourselves falling down. Various rabbit holes data suddenly stories. Some don't we end each week. Show with one of those two cents. The takedown rabbit hole of the week. Take it away neil. Yeah so it's been kind of a weird season for steph curry and the golden state warriors. So far we talked a little before the season about how different this team was going to be from the dynasty team that dominated the nba over the previous half decade and that showed early on as curry shot. Thirty four percent. The words lost their first two games by an average margin of thirty three points per game. People were sort of like a. I don't know about this team. But they have started to look more like themselves recently. They won four of their last five games including a thirty one point route of sacramento on monday night and to roll back one earlier day on sunday. Curry showed us a particularly bright. Flash of the greatness that made golden state. So unstoppable just a few years ago against the portland trailblazers for the second time in three days. Curry scored thirty one points by halftime. And then he was like why not do that again. He scored thirty one in the second half as well to finish with a career high sixty two points. It was the first time that a player scored over thirty in both halves of a game since pistol. Pete muravich did it in nineteen seventy seven and it was again a new career high for curry. His previous career. High was fifty four points in a loss to the new york knicks. All the way back in two thousand thirteen. I guess that's not too surprising since all the time since then saw curry surrounded by so much scoring talent that it was kind of a necessary to have one guy shoot enough to even put up such a massive scoring game and since two thousand thirteen only one other warrior cracked sixty in a game. Klay thompson did it. In december twenty sixteen against the indiana pacers now when our friend and copy editing colleague tool came on the show a few months ago to talk about fifty point games. We focused on the most random guys to ever cross that threshold and there were quite a few random guys to do that. Seeing as how one hundred nineteen different players had done it. Three hundred and forty five times since the merger in nineteen seventy six. So you might think fifty points sixty points. Well what's the big deal. It's another ten points. Well you know what what does it matter but sixty point games are significantly rarer than fifty point games in the nba if we include curry's game it's only been done thirty six times by twenty two different player since the merger and very few people on that list were not total superstars if not hall of famers The average player to score fifty in a game only scored eighteen point six points per game in his career about a fifth of those averaged fewer than fifteen and a handful scored in the double digits for their career. So it's like you have some duds in there. Yes you have like the michael jordan's in the kobes and people like that but you also have corey brewer. And some of the other guys. Tony delk the guys. We talked about in that episode. Now the average sixty points score though has a career average of twenty three point. Four points per game so more about five more points per game than the fifty point scoring group and the lowest career average for anybody that scored sixty in a game. Was tom chambers. He had seventeen point nine points again. That's still pretty good. That's a that's a good score. You don't have any of these random out of nowhere guy scoring sixty in a game. They might get fifty nine at sixty and curry added to the star power ever so slightly because his career average of twenty three point six points per game is zero point two higher than the average for all sixty points scorers since the merger curry also was thirty two on sunday when he did that. Which is the second oldest for anybody at the time of a sixty point game since the merger. Kobe did it at age. Thirty seven memorably. He got exactly sixty in the very last game of his nba career So he was older but curry's pretty old as far as these Sixty point scores. Go and we might have wondered what took him so long. It seems like a guy like kim is destined to join this club. Why did it. Why did it take this long. I mean devon booker of the phoenix suns. Did it when he twenty. He scored seventy points in a game against the celtics in two thousand seventeen and it was only one hundred and forty seven games into his career but curry. this was his seven hundred and fifth career regular season game in which he crossed sixty. But if we wanna make another comparison that i think is interesting. Lebron james somehow did not crack sixty in a game until twenty fourteen which was game number eight hundred and twenty of his career so it actually took lebron longer in terms of games. I if not age to score sixty in a game than it took for curry now. Naturally curry scored points number sixty sixty one and sixty two of that game on sunday with a three pointer that he took with forty two seconds left in the game. It was his eighth made three of the game which marked the forty ninth time that he made eight threes in a game during his career. Is that a lot. Yes it is not only. Is that the most times hitting at least eight. The reason game by any player in nba history. But it's also more than if you took the number two and number three players on the list. That hard and damian lillard together because they only have forty one combined eight three games Now eight threes. Get you to twenty four points by itself. That's a pretty good game. If all he did was shoot. Threes but curry also needed a put in twenty points from twos and another eighteen from the free. Throw line on sunday to get to that sixty two points anyway. It was really nice to see curry erupt for not just vintage game. I think you could make the case that this was one of the best if not the best game of his career and it happened right now in the twenty twenty one season Yes the warriors do have a lot of flaws. Outside of curry that they need to work on before recapturing any of their former glory. But one thing they might not have to worry about. Is if curry coming off this injury. This loss season this sort of decline of the dynasty. Whatever you wanna call it can be his old self again. He looks pretty unstoppable on sunday. And he's playing better by the game. It seems like in the early going the season that eight three pointers that he's done that so often but not gotten to sixty points before is really interesting because harden has a bunch of sixty point games I i'm i was. I was really surprised when i saw that. How the game he was having. I didn't it took me a second to realize that he had never had a sixty point game before. Like i just kind of assumed that he had and i was a little surprised by that too and yeah like klay thompson is another guy where he has had thirteen eight three pointer games which is not that much you know. Certainly not in the neighborhood of curry but he has a sixty point. He had a sixty pointer under his belt. Years before curry did but thompson is like one of these guys. That famously can just erupt for god. Knows how many points in like a quarter or a half and you're suddenly just like. Oh my god. What did he just do Whereas curry has always been a little bit. More of sort of a you know he. He hasn't hit the highs as much as as maybe klay. But he's very consistent in his. Yeah i'm gonna go out and make eight threes. I guess you know but again that only gets you to twenty four. You gotta do some other stuff to to close the gap For the remaining points to get to sixty. Thank you for doing the math for me. There i was like i was struggling. And he could hit fifteen threes. That'll get closer. I mean yeah. why not. Why not do that stuff. Just step back. Don't take those mid-range jumpers yeah. They don't they're not i think they're they're going to see what they can do with just curry being that seemingly one man army for. Hey maybe that bodes well for seeing more sixty point games. Have to share tony more. Just go out and shoot. I mean it'll be entertaining. At least right and i guess that's all that we could ask for as as fans of the nba. Give us give us more. Sixty point game scary. We like that all right. Thank you meal for that rabbit hole and that will do it for this week show. We'll be back in your feed next tuesday. If you like what you heard please subscribe and if you are subscribed please rate interviews on apple podcasts. It helps new people. Discover the show. You can also email us at podcast by thirty eight dot com to let us know what you think are pockets producer. Is sarah tony. Chow is in the virtual control room and our podcast. Commissioners chad mellon. And i'm sarah. Thanks for listening. Talk to you next time.
Best Of (LeBron's credit, GSW potential, Simmons' Sixers?, Faith in Thunder?)
"Welcome to the podcast. I'm your host, Jenny Taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip, Shannon. Let's go. Here's the thing. We do talk about LeBron a lot on this show. And there is conversation that always seems to go back to a certain moment in the twenty thirteen finals were skip credits. Ray Allen for saving LeBron's legacy with his game tying three in game six where he was asked about this shot yesterday and said it was quote foolish to think it saved LeBron because every title team benefits from contributions from various players LeBron. Of course missed his three point attempt for the time before Allen kept Miami alive long enough to eventually give LeBron his second career, title, Shannon. Are you surprised race said this milk voted through? You know, what I like I like formation because I really got Email, and you know, when you book a flight, I go to Atlanta back and forth, you not fly delta. And I love when he says confirmation, which means I am confirmed. All this book a hotel firestorm. Cork you are. Confer which means I have a room upon my arrival. In other words, what Ray outages did for me is awful confirmation of what I've been saying since it happened. No, Allah will write these all level rate because he saved your. That's so unbecoming. No one wants to talk that when they ended the fourth quarter. The Miami Heat were down ten points. Lebron James scored sixteen he had to assist on threes. So he accounted for the twenty two of the thirty points. They scored in the fourth quarter that was LeBron James to give that context give you remember game six of the Golden State the year. They went seventy three nine and Klay. Thompson was bonkers. He went bonkers had eleven three. He accounted for nineteen points in the fourth quarter for context. Lebron James we're responsible for twenty two of the thirty in. No one ever mentioned that Klay Thompson safe. Steph Curry's bacon. But that's the hurdle that we will get out. I just wanted to throw that out there for contact. Why do you always get changed? But I like context we liked contact. But why do you do get no one mentioned that LeBron James headed triple double in that game? Did you know this did you LeBron James at thirty to eleven and ten and that game in which railing save this bacon and say, so we didn't get to the highlights. What Ray was saying? He said, but Mike Miller had a big three to Mike Mila hit a three with no shoe and play before that run James came down and lost or three. He says without LeBron. We're not even that close. We're not even there you see Ray Allen, just confirm what I said all along any teams what you need teammates. And LeBron James only one not allowed to have teammates because you see no one ever says Adam venit, Terry zave. Tom Brady's bacon. Even though he ticked kick game winning Super Bowl. I'm set up every time he said it up it's not like to an inner seven and then Adam venit. Terry said I'll kick an eighty yard field goal. And we'll win the game. What about LeBron sitting it up by scoring sixteen points? Did he set that up? No moment. It's my Dettori. I'll give give me like thirty seconds. No one ever says Steve Kerr, and Jim Paxson John Paxson saved Michael Jordan, but they hit shots. That's what team makes Duke. And now, I would say he's Rahab thirty five and a triple double. And LeBron only had one three point six points in that game. I will say skip you, absolutely, right. But that would point of order would happen if Steve Kerr and John packs missile shots. What would happen? What would have been the ultimate outcome of those series? Will never know Michael Jordan would one we don't know. It wasn't do or die wasn't game. Oh, yeah. No. I know that we don't I know we don't know. We don't get though. I know you have say he was six it had he not been forced to retire. He'd been eight. No. We will never have got a game seven because he didn't need to go. We don't know this straight in the in the final that's impossible straight allies. One thing about my turn here. Affirmation chance McCarthy. Good. This is laughably sadly absurd. This is Ray Allen saying what he had to say. Do you think rail is gonna sit for a TV interview with Sports Illustrated and say, yeah, I save lebrons legacy. He's not going to say that I've been around Ray. He's a really good guy. Nice guy played for twenty years. He knows how to play the game off the field is allowing cannot take credit for saving somebody's bay issue. Just cannot well he won't he won't. He is class your class. I would love to hear what race as off camera about that right now. I don't think so at all. So let's go back to what really happened because the game really didn't start until about three minutes left though. I must go back to the five minute, Mark. When LeBron did miss a free throw that could've put him up for. And you never know how that would play out. But let's start at the three minute Mark, shall we? In the last three minutes. Lebron James had three turnovers. Think about that this game on. This is season saver here. If you lose his game it's over and my team wins yet another championship as it becomes the dynasty. And yet with three eighteen left. Exactly. Lebron had an offense foul a charge that costs you a turnover then with we all the way to the thirty nine second Mark LeBron just dribbled into a turnover. And the guy who's up in Toronto. Now got the ball. He he got credited with the steel. But LeBron if I just remember like last night feels like last night, he just dribbled ride into that guy. And the ball gets loose them. There we go in by the way that guy got fouled immediately at thirty nine seconds left that went over to up in Toronto to the line. And he missed the first free throw in if he'd made that that would put my team up six with thirty nine seconds left and all of a sudden to score game. Lou, I just don't know could we have hung on with the signal lead. 'cause you couldn't hang on up by three with like. Well, hang. Now, we get to the twenty eight point two second, Mark. So just ten seconds later. Lebron dribbles right into just lose the ball. And even I don't root for LeBron James somehow bet on his team. But in this case, I'm saying you can ask Ernestine I'm saying what what are you doing? What what what like he'd just come? But I'm glad you did it what are you doing that? I'm glad you did it. So I also neglected to mention it the 4._0._1. Mark Ron Missa seventeen foot jumper. And now we go all the way to twenty three seconds left in the game. He missed a three point shot liberate it. And the reason Danny green is now raptor occurred right here. Because he never quite got out of Gregg Popovich's doghouse for what he did next for some reason Danny green who's got a little bit of moon. Man indication where you just say, Danny what are you with us or not he takes off running like he's going to cherry pick Bergen. He's going to try to snowboarder and he did not block out one. Mike Miller who retrieved a long LeBron rebound just like the last one was and he just gives it right back to LeBron. Who's just all alone three three point line? And he made it made it and that cut the lead to to believe. Yes. Cut the lead to two. So now, it comes the things transpire, but we go to the seven point nine second, Mark and LeBron LA Brix three to tie in as soon as it hit the missed it while you gotta say bring so everybody is anybody that misses the three moving board. It's a nobody has longer LeBron rebounds. Lebron James nobody because they Kline so badly that they just blowing. What about Westbrook? Well, we're talking about Braun come on. What are we talking about? Because I want you to stop this. This this notion that will LeBron misses is brick they were sexual events. They're going out to the three point line. So what happens Tim Duncan is not in the game. Don't ask me why they wanted to guard the three point break Popovich, they leg you could argue that guy in Toronto the first guy who say that's his legacy. Go go, I wanna make you. So obviously Chris Bosh allowed to roam free Ginobili tries to contest him for the rebound. But he's only six and he can't leap with Chris Bosh Bosh, very deftly. Just flicks. It right to the corner and rail and Tony Parker. If you look at the video is all over him in the corner. And does a great job of not fouling him. He got up into him as close as he could get without fouling. So you can't guard it any better. And this is the greatest clutch shot in NBA his that was it right there in a soon as that hit nothing but bottom of net. I just fell on them. That I just pick. It was devastating. It was dumbfounded. Because I didn't see it coming as soon as the ball hit the back iron from LeBron. I'm thinking skunk. We got this. And it's over about they had circled the they put up the court on's the rope. Call felt whatever right in VIP of VIP are about to have are about to present the championship trophy to the San Antonio Spurs. And he did that. And you could just see as Popovich said my team just couldn't get up off the why hold on wait a minute. A team coached by Gregg Popovich, one of the three of best coaches in the history of the NBA with Tim Duncan the greatest power forward to ever breed minute nobly. Tony parker. You just admit it was the greatest show. It's hard to recover from the news, especially if you're not at home, you're. On their court in the momentum shifted while Judy. If you don't mind me, maybe you could help me out 'cause my memory fog. Sometimes my memory comes and goes, can you tell me where game one of the NBA finals last year with in Cleveland and Golden State at Golden State. So another words when JR Smith had that snafu and LeBron James like JR, what were you doing? And they win the overtime. Isn't that the same thing? At the end of that game. Lebron James was had been as hot as I've ever seen him from distance. He had the ball in his hand and got the switch. He wanted with little tiny Steph curry it's like Patrick Beverley on Kevin Durant, and he can rise up over Steph curry and shoot basically a free throw line jump shot. And he turns it down in favor of passing to George hill. Who look Giorgio came mrS Schott, Milwaukee you see that. You can't miss a three. You can't put the ball and George hill sans. He's not that guy twice the Spurs gave up on him. I know I know what you say Mr. free throw in the miss that free throw heat a put him up by six. Can you tell the people who missed the free throw before co idea that was well before minimum? No, no, it was on the minute left in the ballgame. Can you tell the people at home because they weren't they they were sleeping late went late into the we yell care. The people that home who missed the free throw before missed. Here's minute Ginobili missed one of two what one of two, but it was the one don't do a magnitude had risen, you know. And I know that was free throw. And by the way, would you believe that guy had shot eighty three percent from the free throw line during the regular season? Eighty percent skill number two. And what people don't talk about. Did you know of a possible? Fifty three minutes overtime ballgame. Lebron James play fifty and gay your trip dome. I guess he just running out of gas at the end of the game all those turnovers. Michelle what happened what happened in overtime? And what happened in game seven tell people at home would have an in game seven that virtuoso. My team didn't show up. What you mean the had the lead? They didn't show up at elite lay the ballgame out of gas. Lebron says, no light great and game seven. I get you. But he knew he was front running and games. Do this. I just noticed this on the video the rail and show LeBron's out at the top of the circle doing this. Yeah. Give me rob another show. I just wished that Bosh pass it on. I just wish I just wish have another chance don't drain that with like. Like with the lucky because there was no you, you know, you're gonna say. No time, but thrown to the phony go. The phony golfing. What about the one that Mike militates down any pass it back to LeBron? And LeBron do with that one that one. Oh, there is no real heat. What would you say this what who or die or as we call it on this show DWI or die? Right. It's do or die mountain dew. All going toward die, Shannon, usually go. The last time a team went into the fourth quarter down by teen. Yeah. In the Boston. I'm not going anywhere. But you got up if LeBron Gada good free throw with five twenty eight left. You're up four that's cruising. You shoulda cruised on. He's the closer. But we know he's not. Is the. He closed that he opens triple dubbing game. He had a dubbing game six virtual so in game seven thirty seven. That's why he averages has the highest scoring average in game seven in beaten a history. So anybody who knows basketball would say right Allen saved LeBron's legacy because without that shot. It just comes down to that moment that shot without that shot. Lebron James is two and seven and what about the? What about the so did Malcolm Butler say Tom Brady's legacy? No because he's got six. No, he wouldn't have six. So we're gonna take the Malcolm Butler pick away. We're gonna take to field goal. But have Avila Terry. He's three and six now. He's three set up the fields each oak. Did he commit turnovers like LeBron? Did did. He miss John. Whoa. Whoa. No. No. He didn't. I mean, Tom Brady played great all the vegetarian. He didn't play. Great. He played all time. Great. The lavar didn't play great. He was flawless in all three how many Viteri games where there too. Oh, he was. He was. He was he was he was lawless. He was flawless in. That gives the ram Florida ornery wasn't at dry Abeille four quarters. Go back and look at it. So he can look at this zoo member John man's up there, saying take the ball out of the kids hands. Just shut it down a play for overtime to completion. Completion completion completion field goal. You know with this is where you and I separate bring you. And now we walking down the road. But this where you go left and go right because every time that Tom Brady is always if a moment Tom Brady did this in a moment. You never say LeBron did anything in a moment. No less. He has fifteen points in the first second third and fourth quarter. Lebron cannot have a moment. Cannot have a two or three minute theories where he goes bonkers. But he look at the turnovers that hair he missed two free. Throws the truth. Is you go left, and I always go right though. That's the point. I always go right though. I'll make a little in another Lempicka right back to the writing ashamed that I'm having to defend Tom Brady in the same. Same sentence with LeBron James because Tom Brady has six rings on six game winning drives. That's that's Jordan measure. That's beyond what you were the only been two six to nine what happened with three. Well. Yeah. Second. He had a game winning drive with two minutes left against the law, and then the ram game winning drive the game winning drive if you lose he gave him moving drive this. Defense. They say about Malcolm Butler did he from Russell Wilson. Do you realize Tom Brady against the legion of boom in the fourth quarter four hundred twenty four yards and two touchdowns just in the fourth quarter. So he had done everything he could do to get them to that URL Tom tall lay room Kamchatka had a torn meniscus. Richard Sherman had a torn elbow ligament. They had lost their top two corners would have broken and Shannon Sharpe. Always tells me if you step on that field. You have no injury. Do this get. Oh, good. You have no excuse. Did they not have those torn those ligament have no idea? Then do I to me, you know, what? They're getting lit up by little element and little amendola. You know were getting lit up by twelve. No. That's not the here, nor there Ray hit is the man that was in the arena has spoken. I did not save. Lebron James legacy confirmation. Do you want me? Get put ball bowler that we're gonna ball mother thorough investigation. You know? Kevin Durant led the warriors to an easy game. Three win over the clippers last night. Katie responded to see curse challenge to be more aggressive leading the warriors with thirty eight points. This was after dren only shot the ball eight times during the game to collapse. Durant certainly appear to be motivated by something. But after the game he continued to insist there was no extra fuel to his fire. Take a listen. For twelve years. Thirty two only show. Nobody nothing at this point. I think a lot of people who are the game who analyzed game thought that I should be engaging in a one on one physical battle whatever that is to other people would Patrick Beverley. I don't I don't do that type of stuff. I just play. So that's why I was trying to let people know by f s one NBA analysts, of course, Burr soured. Good to have. What did K D show you last night? He showed me when I say in a few days ago that I've always believed about Kevin Durant says he's been in the league, he's unguardable and as much credit as Patrick Beverley deserves for the first two games. And he was great. The fact is Durant was limiting himself by only taking eight shots. If you go. And here's the thing with Durant. If you go back to the last two months of the season all the March and April for some reason wasn't shooting is much. He went from nineteen shots game. So fourteen shots again. And I don't know why nobody else's shot stopped his last. He gave an eloquent reason for his struggles. In the first two games. It was it was basketball savvy. It was it was great insight. It was right about the refs leading Beverly get into more. But the key phrase to what he said was. I'm Kevin Durant. Y'all know who I am and yes. And that's my point. You are Kevin Durant. We can't have you been a role player. We can't have you taken twelve shots. Eight shots. We need you to go out there and be the star. And so that's what Steve Kerr was trying to get him. And last night. That's what he did. And what I liked about it most was the way. He did. It was he didn't do it with over dribbling. He didn't do it with too much eyeso-. If you look at last year Houston in that in that series. There were they baited him with their switching defense into going one on one a lot and ice. Oh in a got Golden State out of his office and almost lost the series in large part because of that yesterday. It was post up. It was one or two dribble. Pull up it was catching shoot. And when he does that. I mean, it didn't take away from anybody else. Like, he was fantastic. And you just need. Kevin durant? To be Kevin Durant. Like, you said, he's Kevin Durant. Then beat that. Don't be a role player via star Kevin retinue show me anything that already know. He's unguarded. He the unique. He the unique talent because we never seen the guy. That's this tall this scaled that can do what he can do most of them who coming up they played with the back to the basket. They couldn't step out to the three point line dirt. Brought that in as simple Dirk can't put the ball on the floor like this guy. Can he can put the ball on the floor and go to the whole he ungodly? So he didn't show me anything. He can scoring anybody. I like that. He let the game come to him. He was aggressive. But nothing was forced you know, the difference between the I'm being aggressive and you force bad shots. Yeah. He had a couple of heat check because he's feeling good. He wanted to see how far is ranch could be pushed out, but Kevin Durant. Let the game come to him. And so even when they posted him skill that imposed him down the block they posted him at the top of the key. So now and the. Clippers like bra if you wanna be facilitated go here, that's not you. Lebron impact the game by passing the ball. You impact the game by scoring the ball. So we'll take that. We'll let you. We'll let you take eight nine shots a game. And you wanna have twit ten twelve six have it. But the way Kevin Durant gut you is by the mid range putting it on the floor. And if you watch them in transition last night skip he he went to the rim a couple of times. But he pulled up fifteen he followed up put back and one. Kevin Durant plays. Like, look he plays like this. Oh, yeah. Well, go might have to concede that he best player. But as Chris layer two months, he's taking fourteen shots per game as opposed to nineteen and we did see the first two games. So until we see more this because we know what he represents. He is Kevin Durant. The most scale player that we've seen especially at putting the ball in the hole Sam tall ten put apex on his jump shot. God all that. So he didn't show you anything that you didn't already know skill by the way quick point of order. I do remember them on one fast break. I think it was game. Three two years ago pulled up in the three point line. Yes. It was gardening. Ex-team? He would what LeBron on field. What he likes to do is the hazy new light. And then go by MO he saw LeBron thinking anticipating that he pulled up Kim. I gave him credit. What you want me to? We're not talking about that yawn said I'm the best player on the planet because that was the kings house that was the first time they've wrote through with Kevin Durant to win and his first finals MVP out of two straight. So Chris, Bruce, I have closely observed Kevin Durant for a long time, and I found him often baffling perplexing con pounding because I've never quite figured him out because he's never quite figured himself out. He still suffers an identity crisis of who am I I came to Golden State to play beautiful basketball share the basketball unselfish basketball. And then to your point he after a while he wants to be a cog in the system. No, no, no. You're the system. You are the guy. Draymond green was crying in the parking lot calling you on a cellphone after losing game seven because they realized that group couldn't do it without one more based nuclear weapon phase. Okay. Did you? Drop a triple double. So I have told you for two years. Kevin Durant is now the best player on the planet. But I have conceded an asterisk to that. Which is when he decides to be because he doesn't always decide to be last night. He decided to be it was a little bit of an indictment for Kevin Durant that he needed the media to push button because the media pushes button last night. He he reads everything he's the thinnest skin superstar ever. It doesn't seem to really thwart him in any way. He not on the court. That's why I mean, he rises above it on the court, but he reads absorbs and takes to heart every little speck of criticism and this got him. And he's saying, you know, me people to analyze basketball winter meeting gauge with Patrick no we wanted you to engage with the game. How about just engage dried your Patrick Beverley up? Right. You shoot do. But bust them all up, and then I loved his, quote, you're reading about the I'm Kevin Durant. But he said, I'm not gonna get in the way the. Game because I wanna have a little back and forth with Patrick. Beverley? No, no, Kevin. You are the game. You can't get in the way because you're you're in right. They're going to go as far as he takes them in the end Steffes trims all time. Greatest shooter. Clay canby streaks? And dream on dream on. He can be the guts and the glue. But, but we know when push comes to shove, it's thirty five or bus in. So last night there a little bit of trouble against the clippers. They know the clippers see said, we know they're gonna come out with a lot of energy, which they did. And what did he do to their energy? He just shot it. He makes his first five shots. I got twelve points of the quarter and the game's over it's forty one to twenty four ballgame right guy. Like that can score the basketball. You don't won't James harden to go five or five you don't won't step in these guys like Katie to go. It's over what they see the ball go in the basket like that. You got no chance of stopping. Okay. So kevin. He's had the shoop campaigns and my nice, Kevin or am. I not nice who am I don't know who I am. Am I tough guy? Rem I really good guy. I don't know who I am. Because some days he's that guy and some days he's that guy, and my friend the mean streets of seat pleasant Maryland or an entrepreneur in silicone valley. I'm all of the above right? He'll wake up on a daily basis. Like today. I feel like I'm that guy day. What is the confrontational with the media? That's what he is most. I've said to Kevin because he'll text you when need unlike something you you say, oh, yeah. Yeah. He'll tax you. He'll let you he will and asset to him when the guy on Oklahoma City is different. Like now since you've been Golden State, cursing more calling out the rest more going, and he told me he said, this is the real Kevin Durant. The guy. No, casey. I was just being trying to you know, what I needed to save the median glow because he'll curse I didn't. You know candidate, you know, bible. You buy whether you bite or not. That's what he that's what he told his this is the real K D. Okay. And I don't know. Like, I said it wasn't just the first two games. This is gone on the last two months. I don't know. A remember even said it in his his little spiel the other day for the last two months. We've been playing this way. Well, he's been playing that way. Steph shots having gone down clay's haven't gone down. I don't know if Katie was trying to get boogie more involved his shots when a little, and this is why do think that I think they'll be fine. Maybe better without boogie. No, no offense to him because he is really good individual. You can have too much, right? Like, he giving it to boogie takes away from K D And staff and clay. So now, I think it'll be more fluid with the three of them sharing a ball, and they should be able to row. I don't care if you go into the, but he could have went to a back and forth 'cause he could have got up twenty shots and go into get into a back and forth. Like, Ben Simmons got into it with Jared Dudley yesterday skill and he wasn't, you know, he, hey, I'm just going to do what I do. And then at the end of the day, we don't count it up. So we've got the most points, right? We're talking about it. Bottom line. Steve Kerr two days ago said Kevin Durant can get any shot. He wants at any time period that could do that James Horne can get into shot. He wanted anytime. Lebron James could get any shot. He wanted anytime. Steve curry breaking news get like, he wanted interrupt normal schedule program to break this news here into can get any shot. He won't eight foot jump shots. That are unstoppable. Three point shots are stoppable, especially when LeBron or LeBron shoe, you go let let his growing here, we see the specialist trying to their growing Basel. We got some somebody your next year buddy go into that physical therapists in Beverly Hills. He's off the team. Ways. Core pool is not a bus ways. Core pool is not a taxi ways. 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Looked pretty dire for the Sixers last night when Joel Embiid was ruled out of game three with a sore knee just minutes before tip. But Ben Simmons made sure there was nothing to worry about. He led the way with thirty one points and seven assists and made eleven of thirteen shots. This came after Jared Dudley said Simmons was just average in the half court. But after the game Simmons denied any extra motivation and said any feud with Dudley it's over with Shannon. What did Ben Simmons show you last night? If you don't keep them have to paint you have gonna have addict trying to stop him skip. And they was lagging off him so bad because they don't they don't respect his ability to shoot the ball outside. He doesn't wanna shoot the ball outside where they gave him a head of steam become downhill at him. He is sixteen if you stand in the lane, and you let him get ahead of steam. He's gonna either dunk on you or lay the ball over the top of you those are two options do. Eleven of thirteen Levin of thirteen eleven those shots came into half court, set only two came in transition. He was nine eleven from the free throw line. Ben Simmons phenomenal talent. And I told you yesterday skip I believe J Diller the way to the series before he said what he said. Of course, guys skip you or saying Ben Simmons is averaged ball player is some is one thing a current NBA player saying that is something entirely different. Of course, he's going to take that personal. Of course, he's going to come in. And again, I say this. I believe once the net once they saw Joel Embiid. Yeah. Because his greatest been Simmons played Joel Embiid is their best player. The tendency is when the best player goals out you relax. No, you can't do that. And Ben Simmons took it upon himself to play down. He'll to get everybody involved. And they played extremely well. But. If you let him get in the paint. Yup. Six put you in trouble is a simple as that. Because these shoot a shot outside. He didn't shoot a ten put jumper. He didn't shoot a three all of his points were in the lane layups or dunks. Okay. So this topic is just like our opening topic of this show. I asked previously. Why did it take the media to push Kevin Durant button? Why did it take Jared Dudley to push this kid's butts? This is only a second NBA season. So let's let's be a little patient. But I'm gonna remind everybody because I know Jared Dudley very well. He's been in this league for twelve years. He was once upon a time the ACC player of the year Austin college. So he was no joke in college basketball conference in America. You could certainly make that case historically. Yes. And Jared Dudley has started to hundred eighty five NBA games played in thirty one games. So he's been around. He knows how the game is played off the floor. And you said he should have waited. I believe there was method to this madness because Jerry Dudley's mostly very PC with what he said. Yes, I think he decided that this kid is psychologically vulnerable if not week. Let's. Go for the throat because we're going home for two games with at one to one and we've got them on the ropes and maybe on the run. So let's just go for it here in let's put the pressure in the onus on him. And he didn't know Joel wasn't going to be able to play obviously. Right. But we had Michael Rapaport on this show yesterday, basically trying to incite a riot. That was a hostile environment. Would I can't hear via TV everything it's being screamed at Ben Simmons? But you know, and I know it got vicious Ryan thought posted the poster outside missing poster. Yes, very clever very clever right on tech kindle Jenner. If you sit right. Okay. So, but it was what it was deserved. It was it was warranted. Because he's asking for that. But he got it right between the eyes and then he gave it back. Yes night. And the reason I was so highly impressed was that was hard. What he did? He's here in all kinds of taught ridicule from the first three rows. And remember. They went right up. Let's go to the end of the game. They went to hack a been at the end of the game because they don't respect him at all. And they hacked him the first time he missed the first two free those which the only two that he missed and then they hacked him again, and he made to and they hacked him again any made to and I don't like the way shoots because it's like sideways, he turns his left hand this way. And yet he made nine out of eleven, and I believe he will them in like out of anger. He tried to dismiss Jared Dudley at the shoot around yesterday like saying come on. It's Jared Dudley. Well, no, it's the guy's legit then around he's played out. He knows what he's talking about. And by the way, Jared Dudley is a career thirty nine percent three point shooters kind kinda knows something about shooting. The basket. What new player skill? What new players say, regardless of the sport players know, they know so now so a thirty nine percent career three point shooter was going after a kid who's owed for eighteen. From three in his whole career been Simmons has never even made one three point shot in his career. So we know and he was a fifty sixty percent free throw shooter this year. So he's kind of Lonzo like malign. Right. So for him to step up in. I don't know if they turning point, but it was eight turning point in the series in that game with no Joel Embiid and make nine of eleven and then in the half court, not not in transition, which was Jared's point. But in the half court, he just terrorized them. Right. They're playing slow. But okay, I'm a big Joel Embiid fan. You are too. I'm saying he's the new beast of these postal LeBron. But last night, they look like a different team without Joel Embiid because the ball was moving and people were moving in the lane was unclogged. No. So ball with the big name. That's the thing those give because because he plays with his back to the basket. The majority of the time he's needs to be close to the lane. Yeah. That makes it very hard for Ben Simmons to do what he did last night. Because. There's no traffic there Nozoe. Now. He's not he's out of the game. You can space the floor. And then getting the ball that the free throw line. They're not even a bony. Yeah. And so now he takes one dribble crosses over. He the lane. Yep. And what does he do very well highest level? He can pass the bath. He's got the gift the passing gift, so he had nine assists last night. And when he gets in the lane, he's causing problems because even Greg Monroe can standard of the basket wide open and dunk it exactly. Until by his hairs got some buddies from him on just because everybody's trying to keep Ben Simmons from the William would if in plus two by got hot. He did. So he outside. He didn't miss a three. So now he gives he gives you twenty nine and sixteen skip JJ ready gives you twenty six. So if you're gonna go eleven fifteen oh that team whoever you play if you have two players, go Levin fifteen from three point line. Yeah. Oh, the other teams losing. Okay. So I am not for one second trying to. Say they're better without Joel Embiid because they're just not in Boston. They're better without now. They're not I'm sorry fool yourself. But I thought last night was also great for Joel to be forced to have to sit there in the front row. So to speak on the bench in watch this unfold, and maybe made him sit back and wonder. And then once they wanna play game without me. Wow. Oh, maybe I maybe I should they should take this little more serious. Right. Skip is not very many playoff team specially playing that. Now, he's going to come back and play that you want to gain without your best Platon. I don't believe to Ronald going. I don't believe Toronto's beaten, Orlando qua. Why? Point though. No, I don't believe that. So it's not I'm not sure they're going to beat him with don't do you try to do that that's becoming. I can't even believe you do that. But let me tell you what it does skill. I'm rooting for. I know what you. It does something to eagle it does. To know that your team can win without you. Yeah. And this moment a regular season games. That's one thing. But we put value, regardless of the sport on playoff victim. And they got a playoff win against the team. A good team not saying that, you know, they made eighty eighty six a failed ticks, but they're good team. And they won a game without you. But if Ben Simmons is going to play with this age because I yeah, he had a Madge, but he wasn't out of control, and you go let him go come down. He'll legal let him play down. He'll and you'll let him finish at the rim with a dunk or layup. What you got this? What you're gonna get. Yeah. And by the way, when he said in the shoot around come on. It's it's just Jared Dudley. Didn't look like it was just Jared deadly wound. They're out on the court together. Because when Jared did airball three he's he's doing this. Like, see I told you what about them? Don't forget. He mean, he mean bug into the crowd. He looked like what? And he was. Scoff inside and giving side item, you're Dudley. Right. So I think he got him all of a sudden Ota play the players know ask the players. Okay. We ask a place where we didn't ask him. He bothered information skill. So he said this. But now you're gonna just county you can discount us on. What is he? No. He didn't play. He never dribble basketball, the MBA yada, yada, yada. Jerry doesn't have your being film room study. What he said. Yeah. We'll be mad at me be mad at him. He took it out. He's been on like twelve teams. But that's that's a good thing. And what we're talking about. He's been around because they valuing they do because he's three Indy. He can. So Gregg Popovich had a great quote once upon a time he said, you must play in big playoff games with the appropriate. Fear like appropriate fear, meaning you play scared but good scare right last night. Philly played good scare with appropriate. The're. They played with. I think an urgent desperation because they knew they were up against it at Barclays center. Right. And they were stood early run by the now because got out good. They got. And I think they knew skip you can't you can't afford to go down to one another game in this building. So now, they rust wrestled court back away from the news, and it gave Embiid an opportunity to rest because you don't wanna put him you need to try to end this as quick as you can to get your beat. And because the father you go he can't be missing games in the second round skip. And he governs. Governor final. He definitely can't miss a game. But I don't know if that's his call. I mean, I just think he's hurt. Probably say he needs much as he can because it's not winning without him. You can start and the further you advance you not winning without your best player. Yeah. I hear you. So here's what we saw from Ben Simmons last night eleven of thirteen shots. Nine of eleven free. Throws nine assists in three block shots. That's big time. Yeah. Right. I'm going to ask this again. We're has that been so to speak before been whereas that been why did it take Jared Dudley to get that out or why did it take Barclays on the road to get that out of you? Why can't you do that on a pretty much a nightly basis? Why don't you play with that kind of urgency or edge as you call it every night would would because that's what the greats. Do. Lebron always plays the way different lately. But Drew's prime. He played every game. He just brought it. He was going to be LeBron Kobe was always going to have MAMBO mentality. And trust me, the real Twenty-three up in Chicago every night. It didn't matter who it was. It didn't matter. No, the real Twenty-three doing that on. We're about to talk about the. Oh. You better. So unbecoming new. It's not it's so becoming. Because you hope that LeBron becomes that. He just won't that. But what you mean? Because when is well the point is been Simmons can become something really special like he can become an all time. Great. But how did that feel can you carry that feeling into game four because this ain't over do? They think it's over your funded by one you talk about heat. He could become LeBron is already a butterfly. Why do the hope he could become a Caterpillar? He's already been a butterfly. Yes. Okay. I'll give you butterfly. He plays like. That saw what I'm saying? He already going this. Okay. He's already gone there. You talk about a federal route around about. Ooh, I wish I could be a Caterpillar been there done that hated it. Really? Yeah. He was a Caterpillar Jordan was never Jesse was never had don't you know, what he was born alive. He was alive. A lion code do any became wrangle. All right now. Right before tip off in Brooklyn last night. While Embiid was ruled out of game three with a sore knee. But the Sixers still had been Simmons. He led the way with thirty one points and seven assists, and he made eleven of thirteen shots this came after Jared Dudley said Simmons was just average in the half court. But after the game Simmons denied any extra motivation and said any feud with deadly is over with Christmas art is still with us. So Chris, what are the Sixers show you without dwelling on new dated need oil to beat Brooklyn. Okay. They still got three all star players Benson or caliber all-star caliber players Tobias Harris, Jimmy Butler, Ben Simmons. They will need him be to win the next round against Toronto to have any chance or really winning that round. But last night. Let's let's just focus on Ben Simmons because he was the story and what I saw from him. We've taught we all know about his lack of jump shot, but he can do everything else. Everything else. He's a good defender. He can post up he even through a sky hook you laugh. He can get into lane. The key for been Simmons is his aggressiveness. You you talk about. He can't shoot that's a liability in today's game. But on the flip side the floor is more spread than ever in today's NBA and so driving lanes or there. So he can until he gets a jumper. He can overcome his lack of a j by being aggressive getting into the paint. And if they wall him off he can find the open shooters because he's such a great path. So he was terrific and last night without Embiid. The lanes were just wide open. Because usually you got Embiid in there and you go through him. So the game plan was different to even when you had a Senator in a Greg Monroe. Bo Bon the game plan isn't to go through them to jail. So it was more wide open for Simmons to do what he does. And he was tremendous. And I've said it, and I do stay. By Embiid and Simmons are not yet mature enough to lead them deep into the playoffs in my view. Maybe Simmons's maturing before is. 'cause I love the fact that with the fans in Philadelphia going at him with the media going at him with Jared Dudley calling him out with this. You know, the little signs the missing jump shot signs that were outside in Brooklyn outside of Reno with all day, he answered the go. He's show the dog any, but I need you to have that dog in you every night, especially in the playoffs every single playoff game. You have to have it. He didn't have it in game one. There are times he'll willingly just let himself kind of be a bystander even when he gets close to a triple double or big numbers. He doesn't put his imprint on a game. He's good enough to put his imprint on the game every night. That's what he did last night. He needs to do it at least every playoff game. Would you look at this game? Skip we live in LA close to the. Full five the full five doesn't seem nearly as crowded with those eighteen wheelers not hogging up on traffic. You know, it get crowded regarded skill. But when eighteen wheelers not out there. It's not nearly as crowded, and that's what Joel Embiid. And so the lane he him being the ballgame. It's open, but you know, what else opened up the lanes Tobias Harris go and fix for six from the three JJ Riddick hitting those three. So now you can't clog off so you're trying to catch him. Because you like why am I gonna pressure about where he not gonna pull up unit? So you trying to catch him and you letting him get ahead of steam. Well, they seem JJ hit that three. They seem to buy hit those three. So now, they're less less apprehensive to help you right now he's able to finish at the rim either over the top or Dunkin on your head. So if you're right transition, he only had two baths to make baskets in transition only took two but in half court said if you let him run down he'll and he's gonna people forget he thinks ten and a half. He's not in six one point car. He thinks ten so he's going to be able to finish over them to everybody in the NBA. He's got touched when he finished, and he competed with either hand can't I mean, people I sometimes I pick you shoot the free throws right handed but shoes eleven so I don't really know. What he he could either hand he can throw the ball into the basket. Getting that the difference was last night. Yes. He was aggressive. But when guys are gonna make those shots, and you can't help him off because he is a sixteen point guard. So he knows how to pass the basketball out of the double team. So they let him one on one. He put his tomb ever had him one on one in the basketball. So last night was everything we've all wanted to see from Ben Simmons. It was a tour divorce. This is really only a second year. But that was rare last night I seen a lot of that. From Ben Simmons over time that was more of a blip than a trend. I'm might even suggest that was an anomaly, right? Like, it's it's an exception to the rule. The rule has been no dogging him not enough dog in him. What did I sit and say that whole year he was at LSU point low motor care. Does he stand on the side? You guys do it. And it felt like because he got stuck at Baton Rouge for year because straight they don't make you wait. Come here, and you have to wait a whole year pro basketball and cash your first check, I don't know. So the point is that it took Jared Dudley Dudley to flip his switch last night for the first time, and he got really slipped and I loved what I saw. It was highly impressive. Maybe it took everybody flipping switch. Maybe it took. You criticize him me. Criticizing the world criticizing the Sixers fans starting to turn on him in going to Brooklyn into hostile environment as you could ever experience with a missing poster out on a pole outside who saw a couple of those. I'm sure he did. And you don't think they were all over him last night with Redick you'll that that is unspeakable, and they even resorted at the end of the game to hack in because he's a sixty percent free throw shooter. And he missed his first two and had the guts to step back up there. Two more times and make both four for his last four nine for eleven that that's guts to me that showed you what he can do win challenge. What about when he's not challenge? What about when it's just free and easy. And it's just another game to him. Does he care enough or disease only care if somebody really checks in same approach Joel Embiid in the lineup? Maybe he took me out. I can make the case obviously, the Sixers better without joylin be. No. But can been Simmons be better without Joel Embiid. I can make a case. Yes. Well, when he gets a jump shot and be it'll be great together. Then we'll have to always go into post and force him. Out. But until then and if he never gets jumps on Philly may have to make an decision eventually because NB health may always be a problem. Oh, who can we say with certainty that four or five years from now joylin MBA going to be a monster and killing go, and you could I'm not I would not break them up right now. There's no way they're too young led them both grow let them develop together. But you could certainly make an argument that you could build around Ben Simmons as your big into days MBA because he can post he can scoring oppose it you do if you shoot some shots. But but the aerobically. Let's be honest. You could feel radically play him just like Milwaukee plays Jaanus, you if you put four shooters around him and have been Simmons bring the ball up, and he can either drive or post he can pass out. Like you said teams today the defense is don't help because you have to stick on the shooter's we rather get a two to three but with his ability to get into lane and finish. That's a that's tough. It's a tough choice to mate with. Here's the thing. What we starting to see John? This is Johnny Jaanus is starting to take three. He's starting. The middle men Fagor at it. Then he will not even tell elicits shot clock running down or the last segment of a quarter or half. That's the only time he's going to tempt two three for eighteen in his career. He's never made one three right? Last night. I had to watch Yokich to sit out there and just rip them like their free throws made three seventy that's going to be the key for him. He's gonna create he's going to have to develop shell question suing. No this some right? This is it you brought it up. Does. He have that dog and killer in him. I saw fire and desire last night. I've never seen from him. But it was inspired by Jared Dudley. So you and I part ways on this one. You think that your Dudley should shut his mouth until the series was the do in either Jared Dudley has been around so long on so many teams twelve years in this league? One time ACC player of the year at BC. I think he saw an opening that this kid to him appear to be psychologically fragile and he. Went for the throat. Well, he's great in transition. But he's average in the half court because he wanted to plant more doubt in his brain making play out of character making out of sorts. And instead he rose to the Cajun. Of course, he scoffed at shoot around yesterday come on. It's Jared Dudley. Well, then on the court he's saying Jere deli airballs at three and he goes here is. I so clearly he was well aware of what was going on. I understand that you know, he saw to his man this, but just because the doors open doesn't mean you walk in there. It might be a trap. Okay. Well last night, it was a trap. It actually worked to their favor that in Beed had to sit the all the sudden the whole onus the whole focus went on Benson. And in fairness Assim Simmons game to within be there. He did the same thing. He didn't score thirty one set the tone with his aggressiveness fifty one. And do you think the nets underestimated because in be was not gonna play like without their best player? They can't beat us. Possibly they're young first time on this stage. Yeah, I could definitely see D ngelo. Russell your leader. Look there people around the league that will tell you about been Simmons that he's more interested in being a celebrity, and I wanna be a star. But yeah, then a superstar he's gonna look LeBron his ICTY. He's got a not a bad. Not not. No, no big. But I'm saying that's what people say about being bins Ghana recognize, and I know clutch rich are telling him the way to become this icon, this cultural icon, this celebrity is to be the greatest basketball player you can be. And he's got a focus on that. You're right. His motor has been in question. And the question is is he going to be a Magic Johnson type killer because magic at that killer. Even though he was smiling and on stuff smaller. Izzy is the Andrew Wiggins who Andrew Wiggins has nights like this where he'd shows you. You know, every we know now what we is. Okay. But Andrew Wiggins is more athlete than basketball player to me this kid can pal. He's got he's got it all, but if he doesn't bring the energy every night and the attitude of I'm gonna put my imprint on his game. I'm going to dominate this game. Then it'll it'll fluctuates magic killer about. What we will boy imagining you do this to me right after they. This would a boat. Keep it going game for tomorrow afternoon in Brooklyn, Chris. Have you? Well, it is pretty much a must win for Russell Westbrook and the thunder tonight, they're back home. After losing the first two games in Portland. Russ may just five of his twenty shots in game two. And after that game said, quote, I take full responsibility for tonight's loss. Because the way I played was unacceptable on the other side. Damian Lillard has been great averaging almost thirty points per game in this theory, so Shannon. What shot did you give to win this series Vegas small shot? But I'm gonna give them a chance because they still have to all star to all India players, Paul, George Rosa Westbrook's. And if you really look at it if you look at it for player for player, they might be more talented Portland because Stephen Adams is better than the me. Do you like you like you like grant or you like heartless? So when you look at you start getting peeling back layers, but I think the thing is he just can't help themselves get he can't help himself and let the game come to him. He wants to insert himself and beat. The deciding factor in the outcome of the ball game. And he is most times, but not in the way that he had hoped because he shooting bad bad shots. Yeah. I hear you. I'm gonna stick with Oklahoma City to win this series it it's probably going to go seven. But that means Oklahoma City is going to have to win three games at home, and that will be hard. But I think they're highly capable in Vegas definitely thinks they're highly capable because they are a seven and a half point favorite tonight. Russell Westbrook will play possess tonight. Snl? I said that the other day his problem is he tries to hard. No one plays harder. Sometimes you try to hard. Okay. So can he back off a little bit? Can he channel his rage into beautiful basketball? I don't know. But when this team is right. It can be really really, right? Paul George sits. I don't love him sitting on the bench with big ice bags on his shoulders, healthy the show. I don't know. I have no idea. But. I don't know seems to be able to shoot it pretty cleanly. They go as he scores and defense. Russell is obviously the engine but the score and the primary defender is Paul George. So if you're telling me that he's got some shoulder issued that is really hampering him, then all bets are off. But remember they were favored to win the series as the six seed over the three before Vegas. They were the favorite, and I like them and I picked them, and I'm going to stick with it is an uphill. It's way. Uphill. I got losing six. The question is are they going to be able to solve that puzzle which CJ McCollum and Daimler averaging fifty eight points between the two of those? And they seem that they always do. Okay. Got no chance you can't stop that. You gotta shut that off. That's your only chance you really have to shut off all the rest of it. You can't have Innis Kanner coming in and just doing you can't really do anything again to he did have twenty eighteen game. But when you let CJ goes for thirty three, and then you let go for twenty nine you got no chance I've seen him. Both go for big numbers and lose games because it's just Golden State. Yeah. Against your right? But in the end Stephen Adams needs to play big because he's a huge man who can play big and Jeremy grant. Yeah. He he's like, a borderline all-star talent. You know, he's got that much body can protect on ram shoot two three. And listen Schreuder was a shrewd pickup for that team. Because he can really light it up coming off the bench and he had a bad game game. They cooking him. Yeah. Dame, giving it to a point guard Dame giving it to. Yeah. Tonight is a big game for Russell Westbrook. Maybe even for his legacy. We talked about this the other if they lose this game. And then they just sort of go up in flames, and maybe get swept this would look really bad for Russell Westbrook because it would discount three. Straight years of triple doubles because it'd be easy forever. I sit back and say what a second that's three straight years you've flamed out here. I exactly so the value. Yeah. Got him got him into the playoffs. But he's going. He's getting bounced as these historic seasons in the first round. Yeah. Especially you got Paul George and you're getting you've been bounced twice with Paul George who by the way, remember in the close out game six at Utah. He scored one field goal and that was mid first quarter. And that was the last field goal. He scored in the game. Really? Okay. Joe? Oh now, he's yours fault. Again. I thought I thought he was balling, George W like Paul George you had him in the MVP discuss had him leading the. But I just go night tonight. I say what I see. And I was seeing a guy who had taken over the lead in the but that was about six weeks back. And then I think he hurt his shoulder. I don't know how. But that's what they kept saying. Nick finish. But I like James harden new questionnaires Russ was going to be a stat line. He's probably going to have a triple double. But really be officiant. Yeah. Well, he's been in the playoffs without Kevin Durant. He is averaged six turnovers a game. It's hard to win when you average six turnover. It's just too many gonna leak because what happened to the ball overs. Give you have a lead you allow team to get back into ballgame without giving you opportunity put the ball up against the rim. So with that being said, he just needs to take better care of. But he needs to he needs to shoot the ball better. Yeah. All shots aren't good shots. You're not this great shooter and your score not shooter that I understand the determine the shooter shoot. But that's not what Russ is. Yeah. I promise you he'll be even more possessed tonight. Because of what happened last night at Staples Center because his ex teammate was the talk of the NBA once again last night. Kevin durant? It hurts in it eats atoms. Get not a bit. He's not a good player. Kevin durant? Why would that eat at you time Oklahoma City management decided he was Rome middle flat wrong? Bad Rome DA, Rome. He just needs to be careful. Not to do too much rustling counterplay, Katie. I do not. But it again, do I love the way he plays with that crazed rage. I do and win again when this teams, right? It's good. It's better than. Thank you. For listening to the speeded podcast. I'm Jenny Taft. Keep an eye out for the weekend edition of the podcast tomorrow morning, featuring this week's best segments have a great weekend. Everyone. Of of one.
The Sean Salisbury Show 11-10-20
"I got a quarterback friend. sean salisbury. This is the sean salisbury. show very. Good morning houston tex. Sean salisbury show. I am on job sees here and so shot. Mortar guys man. I'm doing good. How are you guys doing today poland. It's a I guess jeff little is gonna sue off get twenty two million bucks back right the up. Some of it baseball had a rough night. Or i don't know if it's rough yet with jeff lynne. Osuna tony larussa d. You are become a korean baseball league fan. I'm watching him right now. That's still it's still on there in the playoffs. They're not even they're they're in like there. S or lcs right now. I didn't watch it when it when we weren't playing in the united states saw did i mean i know what other than what is on in our studio. I didn't know it was still going ought is. I didn't know it either until yesterday. Good gracious that's a august. It's a normal season considering when we're playing in the united states it's a hundred and sixty two games and they started about sense. This is the playoffs you said. Yeah it's like the round before the final round of the postseason which apparently the t the number one team in the regular season gets to sit back and watch the other teams play three rounds of games before they they play against the one of the teams already secured. Well there you go guard. Can't wait to break it down. Blast could be. It's it's it's the nc dyno's so it could be the kt whiz of the do son. Deuce on team is can't wait now. I on bears look forward to our the analysis. Look forward the now night joss emc. I'm here seven one. Three two one two five seven ninety. Jeff koons lawsuit. He's going to sue the houston astros. Jim crane used quotations around the word investigation and calls in the resolution between jim crane rob manfred that enabled the team to keep its world series championship and went to great lengths to publicly exonerate crane and scapegoat. Luo that's part of it Going on and i imagine he's got some what he's gonna do is force baseball's hand and they asked astros hand to make sure the next step is to tell everybody how this went down and quite frankly while i like i said i don't know if it's frivolous or not It's obvious throughout this whole thing. Why we didn't hear you know. Not us but jeff wasn't same much. He was crafting. The right thing to say in that press conference the rest of it and and It will be a battle. I think they're going to have to listen to actually going to get to court. I down because of they'll saddle. Yeah reading stuff really. I guess the chronicle all put together some legal people illegal team worth of people here in houston saying that. They don't think that not a single one of them thought that it was going to get to. It'll it'll go to an arbitrator and in the work it out. Yeah oh no he's gonna get paid. Jeff gets money and so so you don't to be if you don't see you don't get to hear everything that was said or went on behind the scenes because you know subpoena those That whole thing because it'd be different lawsuit as attached to the original. You know suspension Or should i say a lawsuit attached the original suspension. and so. yeah they're going to go to it and you probably hear anything about it other than there was a settlement and it probably won't take you know it won't spend one day in court more than likely you're exactly right so but I understand just frustration but depending on the and yet none of us truly deeply no every branch to the story about you know whose fault was really was the you know the original who started it and major league baseball for the most part for them hasn't been overly transparent through a lot of this. Just ask the the People who wanna know about the yankees and the rest of it right exactly. So they're they haven't been transparent and we don't know all that went into this and the red sox and other teams being investigated so you know i. There is a frustration. Part of it. And i'm sure there are some who On jeff ludo side with this and some don't but here in houston just trying to move on from rb yeah. I'm sure the legal people who know far more about this stuff than we do would be able to answer the question over whether they think that. that this is going to end up in court most likely won't And sometimes that's would it be a doozy. Well that's what i'm saying. They did if if it did and all of a sudden they said. Nah no. we're going to battle you on this giving up any money and that's not going to happen. Because in essence what a settlement says his. We don't wanna go through with this because there's just you know let's just let's just get this thing over with which means there may be some usually in this. I'm not saying this for the astros but usually in this when there is a settlement. They they're not sure they can win. Okay the side and says let's settle if you know what i mean. They're just like we all. This could be. This could get interesting. Let's get this done and not just here but it happens. You know we see these type of things not in a cheating scandal but these type of things happen all the time but it would be that i would imagine jeff's analytics and a smart guy. I would imagine his team would be you know and missed the upsides really smart too. I would imagine there'd be some deep diving into that situation with the the the cheating scandal in sign stealing scandal so but jeff leno is suing file a lawsuit against the astros for twenty two million dollars over Breach contract basically and Felt like scapegoat. So that's something we will keep a close eye on and discuss and Maybe you guys have an idea. Seven three two one two five seven nine hundred if he's got two legs to stand on with this And will listen and white sox hire new manager white sox new managers got a dui. I believe that's number two. Then he fall asleep at stop sign. Handful y- years ago like down. I think it was two thousand eight or two thousand seven governor so some explaining to do the white sox say they're aware of the situation regardless of what it was or how it happened. What's going to happen with this. Not a good. Look by tony larussa. You know a guy who's been given another opportunity at his age to manage major league baseball He's obviously a hall of fame guy manager. Should i say unfortunately this This is a. This is a mistake now like i said i wasn't there. I don't know what his blood alcohol levels. I don't even know that they have all he refused. Say there's no way probably even dip. Yep oh but it's it's still a and he was widely wise to refuse the test league. He's wise to do that. Not wise to drink and drive and not wise to put himself in this position when he's been given a tremendous opportunity and i don't know if it's going to cost him money and embarrassment but i still think he'll manage the white sox when they opened the spring with a slap on the hand from the organization. I this is a bad look it is. It is a very very bad. Look considering there are a lot of people resisting this higher. Anyway his stage you know his stage of the game. Yeah i mean it was the dumbest higher of the offseason to me and it will continue to be he. He wasn't the choice obviously should have been. Aj hinch and they didn't go after him because their owner wanted this guy. Oh here we go. Here's a dui good luck with that. Yeah house app for validate. And hey you know we really appreciate You know you give me the opportunity to manage. Let me go out and celebrate. I mean obviously that. I don't think that was tony. Larussa thinking but you just. I've always wondered. Why guys in that situation. Don't arts smarter about it. Almost comes back to the micromanaging ego thing right. Oh i can drive got this we have. I know he's like seventy put on his phone. It's not that hard. Yeah i all the more reason. Why the elderly the the the more you should do the you know. Protect yourself and get somebody to dry for your call lubar. Even at a time. When it's you know covid or or don't fall asleep at a stop light or stop sign. Don't get in your car and drive when you've been drinking. Just don't do it. It's done and he should know better because wouldn't wouldn't he like i said i don't like to judge people but this is just this is just stupid. It's just down because wouldn't will. What would happen. If one tony larussa players came up to him and said coach or they got a call in the middle. I coach. here's what happened. Last night wouldn't be. I mean that's just bad decision. And while you're good player. We do this canada blah blah blah blah and. Go through the checklist reasons not to do it right. Yeah and you would have thought he learned the first time and here. We are a grown ass man making decisions you think. Well this guy's gonna lead my team and lead a team that's filled with young players. Listen drinking and whether you're twenty two or ninety two and driving is is not smart but you're an influential guy unfortunately driving under the influence. But you're an influence. You've got influential guy who's been given another opportunity to make smart decisions that you ask your players did make and unfortunately tony larussa starts off and really well. He's got a lot of things that answer to now. And that's a it's unfortunate for not only the white sox but also for an organization that many people thought show hired somebody else right it. Just it's a bad. Look terrible luck and a good good again. Good luck to that. I mean just there. There's there's just kill. The reason dropped like people are going to love their team. The optimism of thirteen. I can't imagine being a fan of like okay. We hire this guy now. This has happened fun. Yeah after all that's gone on you you'd like to fresh you like man alive this is. This is what a golden opportunity right ban ivy given this incredible chance. Don't drink and drive okay. You want to celebrate. Do it at your own home. If you're going to have a drank hire somebody hire a buddy pay a buddy not to drink and give them a couple of five hundred bucks. It's gonna cost them a lot more than five hundred bucks to To go to this. I'm not sure if money matters to this stage. I'm sure he's probably got plenty of it but the embarrassment and and the message you're senator an organization the team you're trying to lead doesn't fly it just doesn't all right sports talk seven ninety so tony larussa dui and jeff leno suing the astros. The texans. i wonder how many people get caught up into the false. What's the word. I'm looking for into the false. Because they want hope house even go deeper fat zero of them yesterday. Thank god Oh the that believed in it. Yeah i just don't don't buy into it when they can buy into certain positions. Don't buy into this a good football team because they let a young rusher and a young quarterback universe start. Put them two points away from winning a game. Regardless of the good players they have the defense is just. They can't stop anybody they just can't sit on. Don't don't start buying in yet. I mean you can be a mr optimism but do not buy into They took a step closer now. I actually. I actually feel like the would. They took a win in the win column. they did. They didn't take a step closer and fixing their woes will talk among other things. It's sports talk. Seven ninety m c josh. A great to be back here and great to be with you guys on tuesday morning. Come right back this godless quarterback. Listen to sean pulse berry holes. Were john salisbury. sports socks. Ninety your home of us baseball sports talk seven ninety and a master's starts mc josh. See here the masters will start on thursday. No patrons and tenants No ropes family close friends members and their families if they want to attend Supposed to get a little bit of rain or a lotta rain on one of these days soft. So will the distance guys played better sergio. Sergio garcia will miss because of his Covert positive tests whereas wife tested negative So he won't be in. Its first major. He's missed in about one hundred years soul. The the names will be there. They're kind of excited. And the golf course looks really good. Be different colors weird with no grandstands but Still masters is the master. So you know. Tiger always a favorite there but Start to think of d. Sham bows and there's some really really good players and listen to them talk. They seem jacked up. Juiced up about it Regardless and this is the this is the longest and eighty some years or whatever The shortest distance of a major in some eighty years. It's like a hundred and thirty days or something hundred and thirty three days or something between this one and the next major which obviously be the first major twenty twenty one is the master so whether it'll be in the eighties today As another practice round kicks in and they get themselves ready and probably the some of the best news coming out of augusta yesterday was the committee Their decision and the members decision to have lee elder in twenty twenty one give scholarship men and women. There's college scholarships to men and women golfers Also elders name longtime golfer. African american will along with gary player. And jack nicklaus and twenty twenty one to further at the honorary tee off and he will be that guy so a great. It's awesome recognition and bringing more awareness than bringing also more young Minority african american athletes into the sport and he made a big impact. And guys. i cam. And charlie sifford and calvin peete. Jim thorpe Tiger woods obviously now so this is a great move by not only the you know the committee probably overdue. But we'll get a new face off twenty twenty in april at at augusta's on honorary captain and that'll be lee elder along with jack. Nicholson gary player. I think it's awesome. It's going to be great and thursday. Honestly just can't get here fast enough ready to go. Yeah you're probably pretty pumped. I think it's going to be I'm just curious. We watched de shambo. He's not gonna use the forty one eight inch driver because he says it's too much torque on his body as well but he will still try to bring the course to its knees. And you know if it's really really wet you would think now it's a shot makers but not a lot of rough so they can score. Everybody then comes into play even the inaccurate drivers he would think that the long hitters. Can you know when you're hitting. I guess yesterday and a practice round to par fours or par fives. He didn't have a shot at of more than one hundred upper eighties into a green. So even on the long par fives. He says even said himself. He said par for him on this golf course sixty seven. And that's all into cocky. And i'm really ever then. He sucks now. That's that's what he said. He said par for him. If he's planning he goes. I could play poorly as well. No doubt about that. He goes but if i play. Well my par- my head is sixty seven on the golf course so that means that you know. Obviously his life is going to he believes is gonna come into play it. Will you would think that a soggy golf course means less carry which means the people who can who have the carry in the air unless role should i say and The people hit long and far and you know people who can change their change suggests there ball flight. He also hits at high when he wants to amfar. So you'd think that's an advantage depending on how accurate is us open. People didn't for the longest hitters. They favor of the most accurate london. He he didn't have a problem Was the us open. Yeah not the pg us open. He had no problem Taking care of business on that course of his length so it's it will we'll see You wonder how much fill in tiger come into. Play here in the filter company He's he's done. Yeah i just wondered. I wonder now with with the no rough. There's no pine needles and all that stuff or the lack thereof option. I'd say a lot of graphs t that's an i'm just but i'm wondering if you know. And he he can't. He hits it off the tee. At times i don't mean lengthwise but like an amateur something that he does he gets me like. What are you doing. But i would imagine. He's gonna come in here thinking he asked pull that out of his golf bag. And you know cut corners on certain driving holes to get there and we had a hit an iron into greens but because he's still fairly long just can't keep straight. I wonder though if the lack thereof of you know all the stuff that goes on is gonna help him. You know d- shambo also. I think on the fifteenth fairway. I mean on the fifteenth coaches. That dogleg left par five. I thought it was hemmed. Who said he is going to hit it over the trees into the fairway on fourteen on purpose and he likes the angle into the green from their better. Now we're talk. we're we're tired of holding. The he's changed in the shape of the golf course to play played in there with the last time. You heard a guy. Say i'm gonna hit it over the drive. It deepened into the fourteenth. Fairway so i can come in from the fourteenth fairway. Because i liked the angled better of the whole now you know that will piss people off because the design will this is designed for you to be able to hit it over there and play over here. We don't want that but he doesn't care so Interesting approach if that's the case if that's what he's going to do to approach this golf course this week but i can't wait. It's weird to have it. Now that it's it's still guston. I'm pumped up for the it's going be an awesome thursday and Gonna be basically must watch all weekend. Do bet this tournament no. I honestly haven't bet on anything in a while. i really have been wanting to get back into it. But we're doing other things that are not spending money so i'm probably going to be out on betting until next year i would. I would definitely do it. Who would you bet. Take one of the favorites. I think i watched kept over the weekend play here. I think he's playing. I think he's he played really well and his putter started to look good. I would bet him this week. Honestly he's been close there before. Yeah the you know. There's the guys like bat cooter who were good putters and just hit it. In the fairway steady. He'll find his name. Probably somewhere in the leaderboard somewhere. Dustin johnson who do off covid what he i think he finished in second place last. He's another one right looking at yup. So that'll be interesting to see how he he's always a name but those names and they'll be there's more europeans in the tour than there is a us players But that's a lot of times the case and they're always good. I mean although. I'm trying to think when's the last time lee westwood's finished second twice. I think was lee westwood. Or maybe what lee westwood. It was Who's another irish golfer Scottish call for now wasn't graeme mcdowell. It'll come to me but he's finished. What the the whoever no. Maybe it was lee westwood. Maybe it might have been lee westwood but Finished second twice there. Good player But they you know there'll always be a guy the mean the those staff so many european players that they'll be they'll be on the leaderboard. I'm just trying to figure when the last time a sergio one win twenty seventeen. I think he's probably the most so sergio tiger in two thousand nineteen and of patrick reed gave it the tiger. Yeah so k. So yeah those. Somebody great golfers europeans and young players old players and the young players. They're hitting it so far that they're they're on the ass. These veteran players veteran players are trying to keep up with him. It'll be on and they seem to have no fear. I mean it's like you know. Then you've got the tony females. Who were always good players. That'd be fun. i can't wait. I can't wait to see what it looks like. Actually on golf thursday friday saturday sunday when they're none of that and the loud roars and you know the tiger made a of to fairways over. It's gotta be a blast to watch. We got much to discuss. Obviously in the nfl. The texans we will discuss their next. At cleveland And then i believe the patriots follow that focus on the cleveland browns and they're similar teams in the way. That records not similar but in their heads scratching a lot of times for different reasons the way they play against good teams and we will discuss it. Sportstalk seven ninety emcees. Here joshi's here you could chime in. You got a master's choice. Seven three two one two five seven ninety canada. Texans win two in a row. The cleveland browns will us next men's t clinic. Men's clinic dot com. These are my guys the If you're feeling testosterone slow if you feel like you're sluggish you feel like you Major weekends back your libidos down. 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And by the time you leave you'll know where your testosterone is and what the approaches and how they're gonna monitor it to make sure you get your life back in the heights cypress parallel pasadena and spring. Grand parkway and kirk kindle. That's exactly what you're about to get when you go in and fix it. One of great locations can dramatically improve. Your claudia rely life and relationships. Get it fixed now. You do not have to settle for low testosterone. Take care of life gets better. Men's clinic dot com men's clinic dot com. Am i suppose junior astros. You're listening to sean salisbury. On sports talk seven nine lance mccullers out about the performance. Your home for houston astros baseball question. Crush ten plant one question. This us the big one the big question. Today on the sean salisbury berry show. The big question is simply about augusta national. It's a hot button topic because everybody loves the masters and majors and we all wanna see. Tiger woods is going to be on a sunday on moving day on saturday. The big question is are you as pumped or excited about the masters in november as you are when it comes around in april so is there are pumped about both but is there one is going to be a different look. The colors will look different. The golf course will look different without patrons and ropes and it's kind of field. It's going to feel different and the weather is going to be a little bit different degrees wise. So there's a lot of things it will look and feel different for you. And are you usually ready for golf in november when it comes to tv golf which in the past has been like silly season and getting yourself tuned up for that. We've changed. How the golf season worked. So are you just as excited or should it more excited now or less excited but the excitement level between august and now however josh you're gonna go word it and level Exciting in november the gusta or but five plus months later or whatever. It's going to be the exact day For the masters in april. So there's your choice visit and maybe give us a reason why you'd call in seven one three two two five seven hundred. I wonder if there's anybody more pumped it says. I mean that is so if you weren't going to like if they were moving this golf tournament to this day and this weekend permanent. They're not gonna do it. They're right back out of it. I wonder if during football and the rest of it if the people would would Be bothered by having a major this late in the year. And i wonder why we don't and i well i mean timing wise for sue sunlight available with the babbio it's limited the field to from what sixty it's now fifty the way that they the people that make the cut and the rest of it and they're starting i think at both night. You know both nines where they they don't call it the front nine the background. They called the first nine in the second night. I believe in augusta. You have to call it that. But this'll be lanced barrel the producer. Not many people know him but fuel will watch golf and he took over fracture kenyan And he this is his last masters That he will broadcast in the booth. He started as the spotter. And kind of his do everything lance lance barrel for pat summerall. So he's also a great article in golf magazine about it I was reading it on the plane and just All the things that barrow scene and pat summerall He started with and ended up now at the top golf job on the planet by at least on tv of producing this great event. This is his last last one. But i just wonder yeah with the daylight i just always wondered. And that's the main reason and obviously football in the cold. The cold in the year gets They don't do it but i mean they did. They're doing it here in the neck keeps people's you know. Oh my gosh. We got master's in in november. This is really cool. I didn't think i'd like it at first. But i've missed it. And i'm okay to crown a champion two times in six months. I think it's pretty cool. Yeah it's going to be weird and awesome to have it happen that quickly twice. I mean i'm. I'm not mad about that but i'd prefer the the normal time of year. Gab april yeah right after the let you go. Final four Augusta and they usually go with. What is it seat. Pine harbour town. Is that with the hilton. Hilton damian in that next tournament usually follows. They're on their way to south carolina. I think So that that whole time. Right around there is awesome fired up about this spring So the question is do you. Are you just as pump for this. One is you are for the one in the spring when it comes to the masters tournament again. Congratulations to lee elder. Who will be part of. Jack nicklaus gary player in twenty twenty one in scholarship and tremendous recognition. Is he will be one of the honorary Golfers at t off on the first hole to introduce the masters Next spring and and i love the fact that they're waiting till the spring. Why because all the fans that are going to be there. Lee elders deserves as the golf deserves to have all the patriots. When i say fans patrons that's they call it again other patrons their to cheer him on when he tees off on the first tee box that'd be a great thrill for him so many great great for golf. This is an awesome decision by them. So i i prefer spring. I'll take now though because when you're a football teams you know baseball and basketball over. Although basketball is going to start seeing your football team is to and six and not playing well. i'll take four rounds of golf At augusta. I'll take rounds of golf across the street but on tv for your viewing pleasure The for instance. This sunday i will probably be far more into this final round. Especially if it's closed depending on the leaderboard or even not that. I will be on a couple of football teams that i may not be interested in watching at a certain time day right the later after depending on what the afternoon games are I have no problem tune into golf. November watching the masters as opposed to The haves and the have nots in the nfl. We also get a lsu alabama leading into the mass or after the master. So you can just leave your tv on saturday. Yup at in In question to right now though. There's it's that games. There's a possibility could be in question in danger because of covid missive mississippi state game That game has been postponed and moved the because of covid I think texas a and m. has delayed As i don't wanna say shut down. But his temporary delayed Football operations. Because i think a player in somebody within the organism within the school or somewhere a student or something close to the program has had Possibly tested positive. So that's possible. I mean this is just it's gonna keep it. Listen like it's not about of if it's a matter a when it gets to every program yes there you go so it's games are gonna continue to be endanger games. They're going to continue to be postponed. And the longer you go. i don't believe we're making. I'm not sure. But i thought they said they cancelled it the university of arizona. Utah game last week. I don't know if that was postponed now. Maybe i'm wrong. But i thought it was canceled. And maybe they're planning to different date. There's not a lot of leeway for that conference. I believe it was just cancelled. Yeah there's on one last game not a lot of leeway for the conference to have these the these situations and it's going to happen it's gonna happen it just it. It's not a matter of going to get to your program. It's a matter of win. It's a matter of lynn. And i mean hate to say it till you folks but if you're one that doesn't get it the hopefully the symptoms will be down and not not a lot but i'm just telling ya your it's all these programs these tell. It spreads easy. it is not the. There's i'll be shocked unless we don't know and hear the results if most programs since it started to now if there hasn't been a player or so on every nfl and college team that plays that's been tested positive at some point and maybe they'll have no symptoms. Or what have you. But i just it's just people who you can wear a mask one hundred percent of the time and there's still a chance that you may good chance you're gonna get this virus. I mean i've been there and some some people may not even know they have it. So i hope i'm wrong but i just it programs that are taking all this protocol and even in somewhat of a bubble is much as you can be on a college campus. And they're still getting you know flip. Athletes are rounded. It's it's going to happen. And hopefully i mean it's proven that it happens a lot of programs and the question is how do you keep it from being spread. Rampant is going to be a key and you know everybody living up to the protocol and being respectful and enduring the things that they need to try and stay away from it but even in the offseason you may get it so it's a it's a virus people get and unfortunately people you know some people get it worse than others. Let's hope they don't but it's just it doesn't surprise me that we keep hearing this on college campuses. That's all i'm saying and it's not going to surprise. We keep hearing it in pro sports. It's just not. I don't know if you guys talked yesterday did you guys talk about notre dame storm in the field. You have a problem with that is not i said was helpful. I've just pointed out how funny the internet was because yet everybody earlier in the day out in the streets party and about the election and everybody on twitter like multiple accounts or pointed out like. Oh we're taking to the streets. This is so great to see and everything and then the pig tweet pictures of the football game and saying how awful this isn't there storm in the fields like. Yeah while they're in the streets party celebrating for yeah no question. It's just silly all right so the poll questions up at sports seven ninety you can check it out and re tweet it as well. We and tell us what you think sports. Talk seven ninety. Mc josse myself boy. It'd be nice if we had a six into football team to talk about wouldn't it. We'll discuss the texans and What's next as we move forward and play the cleveland browns shots southbound show normalizing your testosterone levels can favorably impact a variety of functions improving your mood. Cognitive function improved energy. 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Go see my friends and dramatically improve quality your life. Men's clinic dot com. What happened and he's got a lot to say about. Sean salisbury continues on seven nine sports. Talk seven ninety asking going through watching this game on the weekend. The texans jacksonville and i would have thought going in that. This was going to be a much bigger large victory texas regardless of players. Were out the code. That you're facing luta Jeff luton who's a rookie quarterback you facing a running back who you know as a young kid who's not exactly a first round draft pick. Your day are a team. That's while young with some good players you're should have been they've been outmatched good ones and they weren't yeah it it just. I'm fascinated every week. That i watched them play that i can't see them. Put a fourth quarter game together. It's painfully obvious for david johnson. I you know. I don't like to see anybody hurt or anybody's expense but duke johnson's a far that are player running the football. And he wasn't he wasn't even goodness game right and he's better it. See just hits the holes better just does he sees it better. David johnson has and neither one of should be the starting running back to the texans and twenty twenty one. That's my while david duke. Johnson's a better player. All around right hits that hold a little quicker. they're just they just. There's not a they have no chance right now with explosiveness out of that position because they're limited if they don't pass well they just don't win Now like i said. I i'll take a win like i've always said i'm not going to go away from you. Find know good teams. Find ways to win when they're not playing their best. The problem is this now. The texans play every week. They were a two point conversion. I i didn't like the call. I would have got the quarterback on the move to give him more than just a one quick out option But there are two point conversion away from pushing the overtime who knows. Then you win. The coin toss game could have been over and does any do either one of you guys trusted. The texans would have gone off the field. They were not getting off the field. I mean he had the luton had a couple of moments where he looked like a rookie but for the most part he didn't he had twelve incompletions threw three hundred four yards. I mean that's yeah any razov now. For a great run of his touchdown run was outstanding and they ran the football effectively enough. It's sesame statistically. They weren't far off matter of fact in certain categories. Were better statistically than than the texans were. And in truth like i said. I'm just trying to point out. All the people complain about calls they got i counted. It was almost four seconds between the clock. Zeros and the referee not calling the delay of game. When they threw the touchdown pass the fuller. That was it in it by like a half. A second i i i went with thousand one one thousand two thousand three as i started to go down to one thousand four. The ball got snapped and the clock was still zero so they stole it. They they they got. It wasn't kind of a kind of a gift it will now who knows if they'd gone down and scored anyway but it was a major gift because it turned into a big home. Run for a touchdown that should have been five yard penalty and they're fortunate there so and not like oh wasn't that yes. It was a cab back and forth over dole. It was between get to three. Try lifting your arm up when you're going like a referee does count the guy in the back court you'll get your third second almost coming down to your fourth when they finally snapped the ball to my count so the the rest blatantly you can bank play on a passenger ferrets. But that's that is a controllable call which is inexcusable. But fortunately the texans took advantage of it a touchdown so you take them how you can get them. But i i just. I don't know why people are so hung up on band. This team's got players where you tell me if you keep telling me. They got a bunch of good players. And i've tried to hell. I bought into two by watching sample. That pretty good player and that guy's a pretty good player that kind of good and most of them were on offense when you're on of good players and then you get down to it but the the the the sun does the departs while some are a few of them are fine. The some of this team is just is not good. Correct that affect played consistently as bad as not name. The jets in the maybe. I don't know the giants seem to have moments. As far as defensively goes they've played as consistently bad as any defense cowboys include. Catholics actually played better this weekend against pittsburgh but it's consistently awful as any defense in the country in the nfl this year and they're giving us all these yards bad teams like this. There's no way when. I mean if as long as baker mayfield's out there playing this week he's going to feast against them well and imagine the run game two because dave's they're committed to. I mean this is a good that they run the football pretty well in cleveland We'll discuss when we come back about the plan. That i listen to your right if mayfield having one day put it this way. It's easy to be accurate and to to to get put the texans or one of the best teams in the league at if you're having a bad offensive performance to get healthy against the if you want to eat. Play the texans defense. If you're like man i have. I'm feel a little hungry. I need to eat as a player. you'll eat when you're playing the houston texas defense. Everybody in fact they eat so much they stop themselves and they're sick after the game because they got to eat so much against texans defense it and how you can you fix who. Who are you going to get superman and batman an eight available incredible hulks not available either. Who you get. You're not getting any help on defense right now. One guy can't change this defense's might point and quite frankly offensively they're inconsistent to. Let's just say. I mean they'll put a passing yards because they have to. But the offensively watson. I'll scare you and then they'll do some silly stuff. The team will but offensively they. They'll cook points on the board. But you gotta score. Hell they damn near how to score thirty to beat jacksonville. Damn near had scored thirty to overcome jacksonville jacksonville. With a guy who'd never started a football game has life hell. I don't even know if you it. A snap. No not in the nfl going into the season so and he he. He didn't look like put it this way. If i told you this kid started would you have been able to tell me if you didn't know him and i said well how long you think he's been league. Or what have you and you wouldn't have known that it's just a rookie quarterback because he did not have any struggles you know consistently that a rookie supposed to have against a good defense. So i don't know how you know. Eight games all. Yeah i would not like to thank. There's people out there who are bs themselves into thinking. That were a player away. We meaning the texans. We'll discuss next. And how you approach the cleveland browns right now. The approaches survived. It's just surviving. Keep winning now. The colts we'll discuss the division to the colts. Don't beat any of the colts. Winning percentage the teams a colts beat. I think they're winning. Percentages like four hundred. the so. they're not real good against good teams either for the most part They're better team but they're not real good against good to good teams. So and neither is cleveland against pittsburgh and baltimore so that's the similarities. We will discuss next. It's sports talk. Seven ninety going around the league to to a looks. Pretty impressive is young. Quarterbacks are setting the world on their ear man they just every week. It's another one playing great. Football sean salisbury. Show mc josh our number two next gulf club of houston golf club houston dot com my peeps out at golf club. Houston and i am so fortunate to be part of that family with such a great group and the golf courses phenomenal phenomenal. You know it's gonna previous site of the of the houston open the tournament. Course when you go out there and play. I had an nfl buddy know when he was in town Jack del rio with me to go out there and play golf course he. He walked away san south. 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Dui as the new manager of the chicago white sox obviously refused to take breathalyzer at all that. So we'll see how that happens and what goes down with that. After just a handful of weeks removed from being a a couple of weeks removed from being the new manager named in new manager of the chicago. White sox moving forward and then you have Jeff luneau for twenty two million to file a lawsuit against the houston astros. Basically saying he was a scapegoat. The drop manfred. Jim crane Wanted to ask us to keep their championship so he became the fall. Guy basically so the question is will that lawsuit ever reach court. What happens next will jeff luna work again and That relationships obviously been Well it's it's not exactly on the best terms so we'll see where that goes. I'm not sure we'll ever hear. It would be very interesting to hear if that was ever in a court. Look what was said about major league baseball because major league baseball hasn't exactly been transparent with all this but i don't think we're going to hear anything about it probably get settled and move on right. Imagine that's going to be the case and and part of that settlement would probably be Gag order not allowed. No talking allowed a lot of times if you're going to get a settlement. I think that will look to that. There's some who'll you're not allowed to if you're going to write a book. Guess what doesn't get touched. The story exactly right right so wants. This is it. You may not hear much from About the situation depending on what the word loss it goes and if there is a settlement that i would imagine if i was the person if i was the astros at part of that settlement would be The it stops today. We were talking about it. So we'll see jefflin's sue the houston astros and twenty. Two million dollars. Seems to be the figure and then the question is will this affect or what affect will it have on jefferson his career or what is his career for a very bright guy who helped build a baseball club and says that he didn't have knowledge of it. So of what went on with the astros so We'll see and and we'll see were just career goes. I was about this guy's and we'll get to the texans. We got plenty to talk about with them but not a lot of you know. Put it this way. They don't they. Don't make you wake up in the morning pumped up about your football team right. You don't wake up in the morning you wake up in the morning so blah. It's like it's not we get to talk about him. You know what it is. We have to discuss this that that. That's how i feel. Sometimes because i feel like it's groundhog day every week. It's it's an obligation to an extent to watch them because they are the team here in the city and we want you mean for for us. We're going to have to talk about them on going to watch them even if they stink. But it's easier to be. We've talked about this yesterday to have no emotion involved in it clearly because it's a bad football team that's it. They're not good in anybody with a brain function. We actually had somebody call yesterday and they look a lot better. And you know they're they're that's that's the kind of stuff you need to see to get you back to the play offs and it's like What did we see. I mean nothing. I saw. They have they suck. I'm just trying to figure out that. It is an obligation. I will be honest with. You is a football fan. Die hard football fan. That has my computer in one lap. And tv's on and watching the nfl ticket wound scrolling around and look at it every game and then going back and watch shortened versions of so you can talk on other shows. You gotta go onto about the team. You're going to talk about like the cleveland browns this week on wednesday and fortunately for us. The opponent is cleaned brown. So i get double double dip and talking about these two teams. But i personally if i i'll tell you this if i didn't live here in half and you know we need to inform because there's nothing worse than somebody trying to come on and tell you about a team that hasn't watched right trying to analyze and breakdown a game that you didn't watch is is is not really a recipe for given fans true insight to a football team so you gotta watch and you gotta watch it right and you gotta be honest and i know some people like there are some people in some cities. Don't want you to be honest. They just want you to tell them how great their team is even if their teams not that that that is going to happen on this show unfortunately because well or fortunately. Because that's just not how we do but it is honestly. I would not watch the texans. If i did not live here and i i wouldn't either. Well we'll say at least this game is past weekend was semi entertaining from the offense the standpoint that there were points scored but i still will not watch them. I wouldn't i hate it. But it's just the truth they stink. I go back and watch some highlights at to shine. You know i'd let sportscenter show me f- five or six highlights. I need to see or the ten highlights. I need to see. I go back if i was again. Just because i'd wanna be up on where they were. But i a for instance. If i'm going i'm not watching jacksonville's games there's if there's fourteen twelve thirteen sixteen sometimes by weeks over games a week. I'm i'm not. I don't spend time watching four quarters of jacksonville jaguars football. I don't spend four times watching. I didn't watch last night's game had stuff going on scene family. I i saw plays because it was on in the background. I go look at it this morning. Watch i i didn't i could. I know the patriots won and it was a good game. And i know the jets were winning and i did tell a person last night. That was watching the jets. I don't wanna lose this. Because we're gonna get two trevor lawrence here in a second jets. Don't want to win this football game. Maybe they got to back off be told. Hey man maybe we should Quit plan well you know we. We don't want to win this game. Well i said exactly. I said don't worry about it. It's early. the jets will find a way to lose this. And i'll be damned is. That's how adam gates does but i didn't watch i mean what interests you have other than if there's a player on there you wanna watch but this it's so frustrating to watch and it's not like you it's not. I'm not going to bad mouth. Just bad mouth them but you gotta break it down to be honest football teams. It makes it very difficult to get into for four quarters. Each week is my point right and we very difficult watch and it's it doesn't give you the. Ah you're looking for juice each week and it just it doesn't give you an ibm. If i was working in another city the texans would fall into the well. Yeah i also the texans would fall into. I'll watch the highlight. That's how the texans would be if i wasn't here right now. Watching them play frustrating. But i'm never quit on them but because the quarterback but the defensively. I'm always looking for them. Have they had a. I'm looking for a signature game. I guess is my point. And i haven't got it this year. They have the beaten the jaguars twice and barely diverse. But this one was even the only up thirteen seven going to the fourth quarter right right so it is a not that they're doing it for my viewing pleasure and you'll like i said i know windsor tough to get in the league. No matter who your plan. But i think that people honestly still think that the team has chance. I just try to figure what tells you. They're going to go on a defensive run. What tells you absolutely nothing. Nothing's going to change. They're going to continue to be look and we talk. We went to the optimistic group yesterday. That their next three games are all games that they they can win. Who's a third what gets Detroit the game. They all the next three opponents. They face they could also get beat by all handily and i honestly to them on the road. I'm gonna pick them to lose two of the three guaranteed like because they're not going to stop anybody that's exactly. That's the biggest reason why. Yeah i don't know what the weather's going to be like in cleveland this week. I haven't they haven't seen the weather report but it just like. I said i pull for them. But they're hard watch. Because i i have every team that you were a signature performance of good teams. Good teams have signature performances. They haven't had one as a group this week and i. I'm not sure who you talk to yesterday. Said man now. That's the type of game makes you think they're gonna win i. I didn't see that. I saw flashes like i do every week. I'll offensively see flashes over there every single week but flashes of it. Get you to six in look at the teams that are winning even when they don't play their best. They entertained enough to win the football game against good teams pittsburgh kansas city and town. We haven't seen those teams play the best look at the tampa bay buccaneers. They're supposed to be a good team. They played like you want to. Humiliation is a worst game. I've seen a good team play in a longtime worst. I've seen a good team playing a long time. But that's neither here nor there or with the texans are here and they will. They will frustrate you week after week. We'll see with their approach to the cleveland. Browns is defensively this week sportstalk. Seventy the group is here. 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He's sweating twenty five years old so he was young when he was drafted Got experience You wouldn't have to. He's only do. Let's see what's he do. His fifth year option so he is a free agent now negoti get him cheap You will get a guy who's got some edge rushing skills and i would imagine for some at that age of venue. Change would be good. It just hasn't worked since those first two seasons when he was a really solid player. I would i would. There's a handful of teams that should look into it. I would see what he's got an attack that's one that's not going to help them win a championship. Defensively right now with the people they have but he instantly becomes one of their best address yours automatically and even though he struggled so why. Let's see what he's got under the hood. I'm all in. Yeah i would at least give it a look i would i would. I would do it. Hires on that for sure just from the standpoint of mean keep them around for next year right yeah and then like i said it's not the cheese is not expensive. You know right now. He doesn't cost that much in the could be actually a bigger reward than risk right. I mean so. If i who who hasn't struggled in atlanta the last couple of years defensively and that team finishing game so i am. Mckinley to me is worth Kicking the tires on and bring him in. Somebody's going to and it's going to happen sooner than later If you're a team that's looking for one extra player and you're on the cuss. That could really help you. And if your team is defense isn't good taxes and you could you. You may start to see some says if we can get something out of him like it landed when they made him a first round pick His first two years then. It's worth the goal. That's my opinion. So yes i would. All right sean. So super or your. Nfc favorite shruggled just to say the least their sunday night against what was the most concerning thing or what was your biggest takeaway from that game Biggest takeaway was first of all this team. How often do they put three in. Tampa bay three or five three four back to back to back games together. That a really really good. They struck they. Didn't play well against the giants. The one thing about them with all those weapons they somehow. There's something missing from the clothes you out in completely dominate. You like they did against green bay weekly because their personnel says they should might biggest takeaway was the game was. I didn't see any. Defensive adjustments drew. Brees that they've you're not. You should not against a veteran quarterback. You should not play. What's the word i'm looking for. I would never play The soft zone vanilla defense and not hit drew brees. I would take him off as mark. Drew brees is at his worse when you force me east and west and make him throw the ball down the field vertically now drew brees is when he had his worst is pretty good but he can't beat you. Push the ball down the field like you used to and sometimes struggles with. They played right into his hands. Allowed him to drop back. Throw the short stuff in zones without hitting him. They killed him. The i'll tell you what else they rushed. Five times for eight yards. Tampa bay rush five times for eight yards and again and i think the saints and the time of possession the number of plays it was like they had like thirty more. Plays than thirty or more plays than tampa bay. Did i mean the when you look at the statistics which sometimes can be misleading statistics. Statistics misleading. This was brady played awful. They didn't run the ball. The drop balls dating target proper receivers. Their todd bowles made no adjustments. And he's a good defensive coordinator tells me right now that the afc has minimum of three teams better than the innocence. Vesting right now. Kansas city pittsburgh baltimore and maybe buffalo. On a they dismantled the the seahawks defense the bottom of the third best team in the afc. Minimum of the third is better than any of the the the better tampa veteran green bay. Better new orleans better. Seattle is better than any team in the nfc. The afc's the the now the has become the better conference this year. Top heavy wise. They're better. Kansas city and pittsburgh are better far better right now than the best team in the nfc and right now the baltimore may be as well. Baltimore was playing tampa on a neutral site right. Today i would take baltimore to beat them me too. I take baltimore right now yet. I'm not going away from the tampa hopefully can get it right. I got them You know going to the world to the world championship the super bowl. And i'll tell you. Another thing is blowing homefield advantage see without fans. I'm telling you teams that. Don't the breeze doesn't want to go on the road and play in green bay in december. January damn righty does. So when i start to look at that. Who's the best suited to go on the road in the nfc. Russ and darren. Rogers you don't wanna go into green bay and have to play them in rogers and he doesn't care about that weather and with the wind and the rest of it so you had indianapolis is the same way. The colts going on the road to play pittsburgh in january. There they got no shop. They will not win. I think like you said in the. Nfc is there's not that many elite teams i saw stat yesterday. That cam newton threw for. I believe it was three hundred ninety six yards against the seahawks defense going into last night against everyone else. He only averaged one hundred and fifty six passing yards a game. That's the hawks. Devi insists on. How many think about what. We're saying about some cowboys. Texans seahawks rule defense. I mean just horrible defense atlanta. You could score on all of them. I mean every single week. It's like it's a quite frankly humiliating. So yeah i learned a now. I don't know i would've thought that tampa after. Lose them to orleans early in the season. It's a divisional game. You did not play well and had to really really earn a victory against the bad giants team. I would have thought it home that they'd been ready to play. It looked like a team that surrendered in about the middle of the first quarter. I ain't never seen that before. So one of the worst all around performances. Like i said by a team that i've ever witnessed honestly. It was embarrassing from wins the last time you would watch a team that good and say in the middle. The first quarter by halftime wanted to turn the tv off because it was a it was. It was embarrassing they were they were horrible. They got some fixing to do if they're going to gain that respect back as new orleans looked like new orleans. Look like a super bowl team. The tampa did not make it difficult on them at all right sports. Talk seven ninety steve. Tyler zola's gonna join us next. We'll get some insight on the texans and we'll try to move around the league a little bit too after we talk about the tax. There's not really a whole lot to talk about other than groundhog day. Because i can guarantee you steve's going to have to come up with well. They didn't do this. they did this to this. I'm wondering what's there to be excited about other than that. I mean the the offense can put up big place moving forward. We try to tell them. Every week tried to go a different angle and it always leads back to where they can't stop anybody. There you go sports talk. Seven hundred steve follow next. You know. it's not healthy stressing about work. You know maybe you're out of work or not getting enough hours. 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It's not rocket science. It's my computer career dot. Edu throws it doubt then house listened to rockettes radio on your smart speaker alexa. Play sports talk. Seven hundred on iheartradio hottest hottest takes in houston sports team. The sean salisbury show continues on sports. Talk seven ninety right sports. Talk seven hundred ninety seven thirty. This is our time of the week. We join steve pal. Solo senior analyst pro football focus. The grades us out in grades a local team and quite frankly getting around to great some other teams force to their insight. Steve welcome in i am. I feel like every week when you and i are talking while you give such great insight that it's kinda groundhog day watching the texas. Yes they won. But steve you and i and this is the most maddening thing about it. I can point to the same mistakes every week. And that's a problem for me on a football team. Yeah there's a lot of the stuff yes. I don't have time to add this week. You know. it's the same the same strengths and weaknesses. I think we've seen from the texans. I still wanna point back. Being encouraged by sean watson's player black three week. This wasn't this wasn't best game of the season. I think what i'm more encouraged. West actually mediocre game. I think overall for watson but great encouraged with is the lack of a disastrous game. He's had those teams in the past where he's just been so far off and he's he's avoided those for the most part so I'd be encouraged by that. I think the offense still showed Even though everything is knock clean down for down when you have fifty plus yard touchdown to bring the cook. The seventy seven hundred well fuller. I think that's what they built. This offseason is that big playability that that's in there and then gives you leeway in other in other areas so i think that was like the say but yeah but down the down consistency. Both add to the boss still still lacking for the titans. Yeah sadly if watson's the blow up games where he wasn't very good what happened against the two. The two wins. Jacksonville were a series or two would have cost them picker something wrong. They'd be on eight. Thank goodness it didn't happen in those two games because they got pushed to the brink this past week. Stay you make a point and i'm with the run game. Let's start there i. They're starting running backs down on their team in twenty twenty one. I don't think the guy who's on here now but is it. Is it obvious to you. Or am i missing something while. I'm david johnson's a nice enough guy. And he's had good moments in his career. That duke johnson should be touching the ball. More if they're gonna give if they're gonna establish something doesn't do johnson have to touching the ball more even though we don't consider him a three down back. Yeah absolutely. i mean what's the three down back and saves. nfl would you look at christian mccaffrey. And he's a three down back right now. A great duke johnson. His entire career has maximized touches. He was you know he's a guy that dabbled at playing actual wide receiver with the browns. So he lives up all over the place he Does really good job in the run game when given an opportunity now. He's left efficient this year than he's ever been but we're talking about a guy that Generally makes guys generally creates a little bit after contacts. And he's more of today's nfl type running back so Yeah there's definitely something something to that. You know as far as giving given more opportunities i think you know the the offensive line built the path for attach more than it's built run block. I think that's the key for the and again it's not the worst thing in the world. the can't kansas city is actually the same way but they're just so good everywhere else. Teams cats respects to run so they have more space so I i think that's the biggest tea. Is you know if you you pass to set up. The run in the past game continues to create big place. That is what you hope kind of opportunities. I'd say the run game. Steve you've studied. Cleveland is well both teams. Have the odd that against good teams. They don't close it out and beat good teams. Meaning the browns and the houston. Texans both have some explosive players key positions. So i would ask you this. what With these two. Teams are headed to cleveland this week if they both played their best game of the year that they've played just this year known what you know about both rosters who wins next week if they both play their best on this year's teams. Yeah i i think cleveland is is better all around you know. I think they. They've made more plays and they're back seven they have You know one of the corners in the league and award myles garrett who just makes plays up front you know. He's he's the best pass rusher in this game. If the if the best game though comes from watson versus baker mayfield. That's where we have some some questions. You know bakers just been so inconsistent. He's actually had his highest rated game. Pipe standards this year bengals and then the lowest rated game of his career which was against the steelers and they came back to back weeks and then everything around that has been a kind of a well-protected season for baker protected by the scheme. that is Where defense he's done a good job so i think the browns have cleaner all around team but as always comes down to. What does the what does the quarterback play look like and again in any given week. You get high watson who can certainly carry a team if you were trevor lawrence. Would you leave this year. Yeah i'm not. I'm not this you're not buying into this time. It because what if the jets lose and go back next year. I mean they could be the first pick next year. I mean. are you buying that. This is his last five or games as a clemson tiger. I think trevor lawrence has done in college. He's gonna come to the nfl. I mean you just you just go to just go to the team that needs you. Go be the. don't be the guy. Go be the star. I don't think the jets are gonna look as bad next year as they are this year. They've not only do they. Have they have lost her. That was not good but then also got hurt quite badly So they you know. They're they're looking worse than they probably. Are you know. And if jacksonville ends up being the team who cares. You know. they'll turn the jags around. Bye bye boy martin. Now with the star just go Go to where you have to go. In turn franchise around. I think trevor lawrence will be. When's the last time you saw a good team that we hold in high regard embarrass themselves as much as we watch the tampa bay buccaneers against New orleans this past weekend. I can't think of one. It was so cantieri. Every everything was back Defensively there was multiple times. David guys lined up whether it was a run fed or whether it's coverage is the end zone brady was off. The entire. offense was off the often. The wind got beat up. I mean it was all it was all bad But still you know when you watch the film to. It's not as bad as it feels. I mean that one felt like a single game right but it was also you know early on drew. Brees throws one right to j. p. drops it many throws a touchdown and brady has dropped touchdown in the end zone. I'm not saying that changes the outcome of the game but it probably changes the perception just to touch but overall it was beat down by the saints in a game that they needed to win both teams. They win to take control of the nfc. East south. I it was just a statement by the saints. All right stamp. Thinking about two veteran quarterbacks. Let's leave brady out of this for a second. I still think they can recover. And i would hope because i i liked him in the nfc. But i still think that. Kansas city pittsburgh and baltimore all better than the best team in the afc in the nfc. I do. I believe they are but let let me ask you this. If if new orleans and indianapolis in different conferences have to go on. The road in january in inclement weather can drew. Brees philip rivers lynn. I got a little bit more faith. In breeze than rivers rivers rivers. Neither one has a good arm at this point. Breeze is playing with that. My my podcast called the accuracy slider like dramatic jacked up to one hundred or the intimidation slider jacked up to one hundred. Right he's still sees the game as quickly and as clearly as any quarterback this degree. I could see him handling it but by the way we're also one week removed from him playing chicago in the howling winds. He had one of his grade of the last four years by our numbers. He's got with thought he should have thrown two picks. He should've thrown a picnic and the game overtime and another one that actually could have ended the game. Eddie jackson so i think the saints certainly much better. Different team outdoors would rivers. Yeah part of his issue is he. Doesn't have that level of anticipation and accuracy. The freeze does Plus import decision making their plus. Any hint of pressure and rivers is Just not feeling it right now. It doesn't have the maneuverability of the pocket so I definitely trust a little rivers in those situations. Did anybody like josh. Josh allen i think was twenty at twenty with windows of three yards. didn't volume hit the ground as mahomes past russell. Wilson is the. Mvp front runner. I would say no i think. You know wilson did throw the game away a little bit. But i think we sweep. Think we get too much into this week to week. Russell wilson young. Someone else gets into what i mean. People are gonna look at mahomes and say twenty five touchdowns and one interception and he is not in the mvp conversation because of twenty six plays. he's not. He has six stream passes for touchdowns more than anybody in the league and he had about five or six dropped interception. So if you're just looking at those twenty six played and saints. Mvp you're missing it Love isn't the mvp compensation because he's awesome and still playing well but wilson still claims phenomenal. Yeah yeah yeah. He's the homes is not playing as well as russell. Wilson aaron rodgers this season so i still would put them ahead of mahomes and that's not take anything away from patrick but you know he has. He is so well protected in that system when he has a bad day the stats. They'll look good other players. Don't have that luxury in their respective system. So mahomes is really good. But it's not because twenty five touchdowns and one interception. That's not telling the whole story. And steve let you on this. I honestly and watching mahomes. I mean i know you watch it and studied every week and watching pittsburgh and ben and mahomes and kansas city. Every week i i honestly do not believe yet. That eater quarterback has played their best game this year with dan. They're finding ways to win and they're both very good and make have slashes where it's like. Oh my gosh and we know how special mahomes is. But i don't think either one of them have been the home sharp. That did if he has that game lookout and he said you know you look at the numbers but i'm just talking about the deep inside stuff that you study your that i'm looking at. I don't think ben in mahomes have had their best games yet this year. Yeah i agree overall mahomes. I'd say maybe the raven game right at night. Football the jets game for whatever it's worth. I mean it was against the jets. Say the raymond game. Was that from a home but big ben. Same thing i mean we. We got steelers. Fans all riled up. Say look big. Ben's middle tier quarterback this year as far as how he's playing. He's doing his job. Well he's playing calling alex smith. You know he's taking care of the ball distributing playmakers. He's not taking turn it over. But yeah i. I would look at that and being courage. If you're the steelers and say yeah. Big then. Got more in the take in their undefeated without complaints football. I completely agree with that as an a crazy mahomes is doing this and i just said well have seen his best football this year. It's pretty scary with those weapons what they can bring to the table on any given night. It's frightening to watch steve. Great stuff man. Have a good week. And i know you'll be back at it and we'll look forward to break down this browns and texans game and see if something changes in our groundhog day conversation about the houston texas football club. I always appreciate brother. Thank you got it. Thank you john for accents. 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Jeff sebastian at classic chevy sugarland classic chevy highway six chevy highway six on sundays sports. Talk seven ninety so steep. Pelizzoli was pretty cut and dry about less than you go. Where your drafted and go change the franchise around and play. Are you guys. Let me ask both of you guys this. What would you do if you were. Trevor lawrence is gonna do. What would your families. Are you advise you to do. If if you're coming out this year the jets were going to be the first pick. You go where your drafted period. That's that's what i would do. I wouldn't consider anything else. I wouldn't would you. Would you stay in school. Would you stay in school If i didn't love the spot i would. I would stay in school over forcing a trade and doing that. Whole drama and create net situation. Yeah here's the order for me before josh before you answer one is if you've made the decision to go out you kick but the rest of the college football season hopefully get back to a championship play well and you leave the first pick of the draft. You didn't you didn't i. At no time that we hear. Here's two things i know. We grew up doing whether your football baseball bat fell safer me and although baseball basketball where my love's first but you want a number one be the best play you want to say. I'm going to be the starting quarterback four and we all grew up loving our team right. I was the oakland raiders. But as time goes on while you have your team you never grew saying. I'm starting quarterback for the oakland raiders in the first pick of the draft or nobody else. That's not what we did growing up as kids. It was like matt love to play for my hometown team. I want to be the starting quarterback or the center fielder shortstop for the astros center fielder for the yankees. Or you know. I want to point guard for the lakers. Whatever it is so we grew up. Saying i want to be the starting player for our favorite team but as time goes on while it's a dream. I don't remember college. Saint if i don't play for the raiders. And i don't wanna play football so if you're trevor lawrence and we don't know maybe the jets are team that he liked up. I don't know but i can tell you this. The number one way you do is if you made the decision to go out you go you go play for whoever takes you period. Secondly if you decide you're not sure want to stay beco- back to clemson and play another year and have a blast and be in position to win another national title and probably a heisman trophy or at least be in that position because after missing two games you may have lost out on that opportunity this year and then number three is you want to force the hand. i think. That's the last option josh. What would you do. Yeah i think if there is a chance that there was someone else who could are. There wasn't as high of a chance that the jets were just going to be the first picnics years. Well i would consider maybe coming back but at that point i would also sit out the year not risk the injury because while trevor lawrence even if he gets injured still probably would be the first pick. You don't take that beating. Don't take the chance of getting hurt or blowing. Acl doing anything like that. When you have that money much pocket right now right and that's why you go play. If you're going to get injured you might as well get injured under contract right exactly. Go play unless you have a big insurance policy which maybe does clemson. But you know what. I never have made a decision. Like what if. I get hurt but but they have to now. I mean the money so big and you have to think about your career but for me the and even the last option is to sit out a season right. I wouldn't do that. I'm talking about a full season next year of. You're going to be starting quarterback at clemson. Your decided not to go on the draft. Replaying all our games. I don't ever. And i understand it for a guy like boasts that when he got hurt. Couldn't come back. And then set out the last handful of games for ohio state and then was drafted. I get it. But i would never encourage a quarterback to sit out a full season. Would you guys. I just don't believe in that. I hate it russ could make you just look terrible whereas you come out as a rookie and then that could lead to snowball effect of. Hey do we believe in this guy you start to lose your confidence as well as just as it's tough to to sit out but i can get it for guys like a leonard fournette and things like that where that wear and tear on a running back is one thing quarterback. You don't really need to sit out. You just go get your money when you can pretty much. I think that i'd be willing to. I don't know what the gambling odds are. But i'd be willing to gamble that there's no question in my mind. Trevor lawrence goes in his first pick of the draft and doesn't demand that somebody trade him. If it's the jets. And i'd just i still don't see him asking for trade i don't either. I don't believe. Just watch perot doing me. How many times is the main thing even happen to manning. Elway doesn't lead to long time. What happened did mike. Michael vick said he wouldn't go to the charges but they ended up not getting the first pick right right so he didn't have to face it. Yeah of the two studs of now. Andrew luck went back to school. And maybe that had something to do with who was supposed to go to it. Wasn't luck gonna be or was he going to be drafted because luck went back to school. Now you can either say he just loved going to college and one which you said you definitely by the andrew low school no question about it so yeah or if it was like he made it seem like he loved going to school but decided. I don't wanna play for that team. But i can picture andrew luck state. Nah i'm gonna stay. I love this calls life school right it. It was by the way it was the carolina. Panthers there you go okay. So cam newton been that awful right so there then hell. They may have taken him anyway if they fell in love. You don't know we don't know that it taken right. You would think andrew lucked with was a stud to coming out of school so just interesting. I don't believe. Trevor lawrence how how would this change that draft by the way lock does come out you think by your of pride takes number one denver right number two they von miller they probably take cam newton there. Oh for more than likely. Yeah more than likely they have no they. They had quarterback manning was already there and he was always there yet. Tibo very i pay. Was that math that next season. So that was josh mcdaniels. Coaching the team. At the time. That was good. Lord had to be john fox his. There's john fox than john fox's fox first year okay interesting. And he's a defensive guy so you makes you wonder what they have taken cam newton and built for the future or would they have jumped all over and stayed with miller. They went eight eight year. Interesting turn quarterback. Private wasn't any good very very well. Could have changed. We'll discuss but what would you do if you were trevor lawrence. I can tell you this clemson's quarterback situations good for the next couple years largely to tell you that we do We got lay is pretty good by the way no other. Well there you go after. I after taking him into first round. We'll discuss trevor lawrence and his future sports talk seven. Ninety sean sows we shall whitsett vision. 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Mahomes is twenty five and one. I want you guys to think about the take about this now. Mahomes hundred touchdowns in three years in his throne. How many picks did you say josh. Eighteen nineteen picks. Now you now. let's just assume. First of all the touchdown to interception ratio stupid when you compare them to like at this same stage when far when rodgers gets to four hundred. He's like two hundred. Ticks lesser hundred and eighty picks less than Farve less he has not had. He's had two seasons of double digit interceptions. Just doesn't throw laws. Goes two thousand ten yet. Still thrown in making big plays off ballots. You know what i'm saying on. How many how many over the last three seasons do you think he has picks yeah eight. That's exactly right eight. It's it's it's some guys will throw that in four weeks okay. Now i want you to fathom this and both ways number one. How good mahomes is at at his rate. But you think about this now. Think what we how the regard we hold mahomes and his hell explosives with all those weapons. Let's assume that he has a fifteen year career and averages which is pretty phenomenal. That you're you're talking about zoo thirty three and a third touchdowns a year okay. Which in this leaks pretty good. Let's just say over the next fifteen over the next twelve years. He does the same so for fifteen years. The averages one hundred touchdowns every three years. That's what five hundred touchdowns right. Yeah he's going to break the right her by lot but think about it well but think about this so it looks phenomenal. And his touchdown interception ratio will be through the roof as good as he is. But you think about this. Do you know how how lucky you gotta beat a play fifteen years in this. This leaked the where you just expect like. I mean the the franchise quarterback is playing that long because they don't have too many examples of them not basically playing that long right right but you start to think about guys who i mean cam. You think cam's going to get to fifteen years now. But he's a star. He's not that plays right. He plays a little more getting beat up and knocked around and he runs. Physical point is though even then as good as you think about even then now he may have a season where mahomes goes back to back fifty touchdown seasons. He's at good thirty. Three may be on the low side for him as we continue to roll on once. Say this facetiously ineffectually. Once he learns how to play okay and and even understanding what would he gets even more grasping this game. It could be frightening once he on pace for this season. It's gotta be forty something. Well he's he's twenty five eight games. Now are the nine they are. They're nine games for almost fifties on pace for forty eight. Forty six to forty eight hours ago finished. He's on pace for forty seven hundred yards forty four touchdowns in two picks and may not win the mvp. Yeah if he's all those numbers that you can't not win the mvp if he will unless unless of course with russia's defense and he goes russell roll the ball the team though right roscoe's forty eight and fifteen and they make the playoffs a thirteen touchdowns thirteen interception. I don't know if russell though that many but you're right did it could be. Maybe i don't think homes is out of this mvp race. Let's just put it that way. And that's an understatement. But think about this though. Averaging almost thirty five touchdowns a year if he averaged thirty five touchdowns a year for the next twelve years. You know what he's not going to be ahead of brady and brees. Yeah so we're looking this guys. I mean if we if we parlayed this out. We're looking at mount rushmore guy right. I mean we're looking at one of the not only skill set. But his skill set is touchdown performance will match the potential assume. He's going to be mount rushmore guy. Right i would. I think it's and while maybe an assumption the performances barron itself out quickly. okay. I'm with you one hundred percent but you think about what he has to do and what he is doing. And what a tribute to the longevity of reason and not just longevity but you know how a lot of guys will play really good for a decade and then we start to see their game then they start throwing twenty five touchdowns a year. You know what. I mean twenty. It's just start to see a tail off unless it's the but the brady brees rivers. They still keep putting up touchdown. Numbers i trip out. Because i can you imagine though. And all that. And you still haven't reached those guys touchdown passes because their longevity and brady still not done and brees. Maybe he's done at the end of this year and and working at nbc. Which i think he will be. But you start to think about that. How phenomenal it is what it's going to take to get to six hundred touchdown pass now. Mahomes is definitely capable but good gracious. They make this guy's a sizable. I promise you supposed to be this easy it now. Maybe it's they. It's not easy to them but it sure looks like like the mahomes of the world make it look easy. Don't they just like bingo at no time when they're playing do i ever think that he's not gonna take it down score. It's weird. i mean. I just always believe he's gonna make me a throw. That gets him in the end zone. And andy reid gonna dial it up but you look at all those guys that all those guys get a chance to make things happen right and get a chance to to put the ball in the air and mahomes can have an unbelievable career and at fifteen years still not be the all time touchdown leader which is hard for me to fathom and we we talked about extrapolate or whatever. The proper term is mahomes. Doing exactly what he's been doing for that fifteen years he'd be at around like five hundred. Td's and ninety five total picks that that part is why he ends up. Like i mean if there's a guy that's going to flirt with it it might be him but they also throw the ball so much that at some point he's going to have your big. He's going to have a season where he goes back to like. Twelve picks has a few of them. He's got away. Mahomes has got away with some this year. It should be higher. But you can say that about every quarterback you know a an interception dropped. But here's another thing that's fascinating to me about the mahomes thing. He's not in a. Hey let's Low risk football operation. He's not a low risk offense now. The low risk part of it is the screen game. They throw a lotta screens slow screens. Bubble screen smokescreens tied in bubble screens at the goal line. They saw a lot of those high-percentage not not as easy throws from the angle. Trust me and coach the people think high-percentage but as often as he pushes the ball down the field and throws off schedule and off bounds. They pushed all this is. Hey let's protect the football. We're not gonna take chances offense. You know what i mean. They don't play horizontal football all the time they mix it in but they ain't afraid to take shots and push the ball down the field as we've seen a million times in his three year career at his third year starting so it's just pretty fascinating that he still protects the ball so well but can make throws in windows. Two other cats wouldn't even attempt. I just am fascinated by the numbers game. Which leaves you to say. Guys are quarterbacks and then from josh allen who's obviously on a charge we got some really good players at this position man i mean and in homes is the very best of the best and you know the guys behind him a pretty good not in his team. I'm talking about all over the league. The guys at art. Patrick mahomes any other. Time would be the consistent you know. Oh in a lamar jackson mary. Russell wilson to shawn watson. I mean these guys are all so phenomenal yet. The buck stops at mahomes. When we're saying build a team and it goes to no other player it stops there there. It's not it's not. This is close now. As good as a quarterback position is when jerry rice was the wide receiver in the league. It was rice. Still is rice. Randy moss probably the closest second now after their careers but is rice rice rice. Rice rice. Tell me is there one. Gm in this leagues did taken anybody. But mahomes i no matter who their current quarterback is. If you can't right now. I mean it's it's a unanimous decision correct regardless what they tell you in public about their correct net right. I haven't been having to be behind. Closed doors texas it here in love to shawn watson if you could go to them and say you can have patrick mahomes to they want to say. Thank you for your service to show. Yes we're going to patrick mahomes. Not even and they wouldn't question it and if they did. They wish they'd be stupid. I love or anybody any of the young good young coordinator Anybody it'd be stupid to say. I don't want that guy thirty. Two head. coaches thirty. Two quarterbacks are sitting in an office right now and and we're not going to know who says what and they're sitting around and it's it's a private you know a pentagon style private meeting. Guess what they're all saying near sixty four cats you know they're saying i've got the first pick dude who you want one of those fun. Fantasy joke drafts. We all okay. You got i bit. What if you had a. Who would you take every single one of them. Choose them mahomes correct. And if they don't then. I got a question what sport they're watching correct. Yes you hit him on the head. And say yeah. Va today. that's a that's a great one. Yeah or are you have one of those snickers bar moments come on. It's mahomes and that's saying something because we've got some great players at that position but no greater right now. The number fifteen. Kansas city when it comes to overall building a franchise in doing the things he can do. And there's some really good ones doing it. Sports talk seven ninety shot south. My peeps are here. The phone number seven one three to five seven hundred eighty. If you disagree on the fact that would you take somebody else. Other than one of those dan. Patrick mahomes to start your franchise prove it call in and let us know no matter what team. You're on sean salisbury. Show soda at home program soda weight loss s. Ot at stamps her state of the art right. Let's be honest if you're struggling with your weight and you're like i need to go on a diet. Don't say that word around me diets and appetizer. Suppressant till's it. You're gonna go right back. That's not soda. Come at me and say. I want to change my lifestyle. I wanna weight loss program. I got it. 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How are you stopping the run game because it is the best one two punch in the league over under two hundred rushing yards the over. What jacksonville we just talked about. This is that they were in for one hundred forty something. I think they outgained you in that game. Oh yeah over. Under two hundred yards between them. The entire time saver thirty four carries for upper one eighty s. Yeah pushing two hundred. And i would. I would be hard pressed not to take the over in the game. I don't know and especially of the chubs if he's practicing now and he's got fresh legs and determined to get back at it. It's not a good sign. I don. I don't listen when you when your biggest strength for your team. When they're both healthy is running that football. No matter what you say about baker mayfield myles garrett. Obviously maybe their best player. But i've talking about their defense isn't their biggest strength their biggest strength. They're going good as is the they they can run the football and if chubb is right you're dealing with the you're you're gonna have a hard time because that they would have to play a wing. I'm just trying to figure out where they're going to get are you. Are you going to have these guts and say well. We're just gonna load at the box and well. That hasn't stopped anybody yet. But you look at the box and stop the run game for them. Baker mayfield is capable of beating man coverage he's going to. I mean like the texans. They don't have anybody if a rookie like luton can go out there and do what. He did baker mayfield. I don't care how badly i think he's done isn't nfl quarterback overall compared to where the rookie year was. He's going to feast against the texans. Cashew saying that. I'm with you. I hate the you know having to go in weekly thinking this is. This is what i mean. You know. the texans are the capable of beaten a brown jacket. I honestly the browser tail two teams. One week i'm thinking man. This is really impressive to watch the next week. I'm like these guys. These guys are not a playoff team. That's been the browns. But you know they're still in playoff position obviously and they're really the record says but look they'd beat the they haven't beat but then they're planet to and sixteen right. Yeah this should fall into the category of good quarterback daily not not difficult to beat the text attacks by the way of giving up over two hundred yards rushing to two teams this year. I'm guessing you can guess which ones that were. Tennessee correct and look. Give me their teams. They've played again pittsburgh. No pittsburgh didn't get yards. They did not Tennessee it's another north team. Oh baltimore baltimore. Baltimore had to thirty on thirty seven carries and tennessee. They had to sixty three. I'm twenty seven cares. Yes take this thirty sixty three yes. That's like big twelve. That's like big twelve playing against an fcs school right. It's it's nuts or an sec planning against an fcs school that they you know. They're favored by thirty eight to win. The game. i i. I don't if cleveland smart. They're at their best. Look their record when baker mayfield stolen under thirty times. Twenty three twenty five. He's at his bed now. He had twenty three in a row. The data ended up being. What was he twenty. Three to twenty eight through less than thirty times misses i five against cincinnati and then went on to complete i think twenty two twenty three straight and then the game ended so when you take a look i mean. They still through under thirty times. Throwing under thirty times for baker mayfield is worked wonders rushing the ball in the thirties and winning the the attempts running over again yesterday The attempts it's overwhelming number of teams win games. You'll get the aberration or kansas city. Can throw red half the time. It's still beat you. But they're screen game as we've talked about is nothing more than an extension of the run so but it's overwhelming again attempts and they're going to get a lot of attempts. Why if you're watching the tape with the cleveland browns. Do anything different. There's no let's come into the rescue. The phone number seven one three two one two five seven ninety. I like to know what's coming to the rescue this week. The tells you you're stopping the cleveland browns. Because if you look at their weapons don't aren't they one of the three or four best teams at texans. I mean weapons wise. Yeah a parameter. That the texans will have played this year so far even without odell beckham. They're going to be insanely difficult. Yes as good weapons as gets right. So i just i'm actually tripping over. How how come up with this win on defense now than they score. Sure how you block in if myles garrett moves around you how you can block him this week. No they're not going to. I mean like pals was saying. They're definitely but i felt like they had they had deployed zach fulton way too much i think lie but they they were terrible against the jags. That passed protecting to sean. Everybody was like love. And the i thought the offense. They made some big plays in the passing game which they do every week. I actually thought that the texans offense was just okay. This past all completely agree because it was great early like you said with the big plays and then it went just mia for a lengthy period. Four quarters where they've been great right. I was watching it. And thought. I this is i mean we watch the game. I'm like i was thank goodness. They made a couple of big plays in some runs after the catch and the the one where there was a delay game didn't get called and hit will fuller but overall i was like okay. This was very it was uneventful. It was like okay. They should throw for that and made some big plays. But when i saw a couple of yeah now this is the way you're supposed to look. I don't know what that met because it just to me it was. I thought it was a very inconsistent. The win i'll take. I guess they're tough to come by. But i thought it was a very inconsistent and kind of blah offensive performance. Didn't you guys did. I miss them. No it was completely blah and uninspiring and outside of the big place. I mean i guess it was uninspiring because there was just a lack of consistency and there was absolutely and that's their one facet a team. We're watching it. They can only throw the football. They can't run teams know what they're going to do. Isn't it weird. How we say every week like you said. Mc and we do this all we all do and and rightfully so we so well because a quarterback they could win the next three. Do not often. We said that will they could win. We say could win every yeah every week they could win but you know what. There's a really good chance they won't win totally secure that they can. They're going to hammer the new england patriots in two weeks. I mean no because much as bad a season overall cam newton has having he he and that offense should be able to guess what moved the ball on. You i. I'm just trying to figure out how we're gonna come out of a game this year where we like when the grades come out. We're like yes. That looked like a team i saw at points last year. So it's just. I i want the win. I'll take it to in both wins game against jacksonville. You got a chance to go on the road and get a. I don't know if i'd call it a signature win but against a good team. Who's in playoff hunt on the road. At who knows about the weather and pull off a win against a team that can run the football and got good weapons. You gotta show me something. And i know we keep saying they can win but i got to see three or four and you know what josh. You mentioned it during a break. This team is great at this going on about a two or three game. Run and people's ears perk up. There is see were close. We're not far out of it and then losing a couple of games where they had a chance to win and breaking your heart. I've seen this movie man. I have seen this movie. But i'll tell you this movie i haven't seen is their defense. This bad since. I've been in the city. Yeah we haven't seen this. This is the we tried it was. We found the years the two thousand ten team this. This defense is worse than the two thousand and ten team in the two thousand ten team was horrible on defense. Yeah and i wasn't here in town at the time nationally. Yes when you're seen it from outside but living in test. I've been here in the city. For seven years. This is by far the most inconsistent team and the worst team. I've seen when it comes to overall put sixty minutes together and on defense it's not close and i can't imagine what it looked like number four wasn't playing. I can't. I can't imagine it'd be really. Yeah they want a game. If he wasn't i don't i don't think they can quarterback for that. I feel like they could luck into a win against jacksonville. Just 'cause jacksonville so so bad but josh's right you can't guarantee if they would have won either of those. Mit they might be one seven zero eight team right now. Yeah and you got one of the best quarterbacks right yeah you got one of the best quarterbacks at a league and you're still to in six and the only team that you beat our jacksonville with quite frankly with most people thought was kind of backup. Quarterbacks i think is a good player but they haven't beaten a great quarterback yet sports talk seven ninety rolling on. It's it's interesting seven one three two one two five seven ninety gives us something good to go on folks gigi we. We need a little uplifting about texans this weekend against the cleveland browns shirt salary show our number three with mc and josh here on sports. 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Seven hundred ninety crew is here taking your call seven three two one two five seven ninety update on some news tony larussa. Dui new manager chicago white sox tough way to start. Jeff leno's suing the astros for twenty two million dollars basically breach a contract Saying he was used as a scapegoat. So the astros could keep their world championship and basically was pushed off on him and he doesn't like it when he the astros and we'll see where this goes and wonder if it's gonna get uglier or if it's going to get settled if aleve and make it to court and hopefully by the way the news. The report was out yesterday that they are attempting to get a deal. Done michael brandon brass. He's interested in returning as well. That would be a positive for the astros. Obviously yeah wouldn't they. The thing for me is what would stop them from attempting to get a deal done with them. I mean this should be a foregone conclusion. correct. I i completely agree. I think that was a i said yesterday. I think they knew is a must do. And they're operating as if it's a must do and clearly him being interested in coming back is the most important thing because he probably have his pick of places to go and i have a feeling that they watch like. He's one of the guys that i think gets off the mark quickly. The rest of them are going to sit forever. He'll get a deal done just to stay here which in turn. Which would the only bad news about that. Which means that it. George springer won't be here and i think we do that anyway but more than likely that the odds of both them coming back are slamming pretty close to none. I would assume so. If i think we we thought we've seen george springer take his last at bat here but this may even validate but probably a much better chance of signing michael brantley than you would george springer to and less money correct. Oh yeah over the long haul. So but michael bradley i agree with you. I don't see him being let it fester guy right being getting this done and became a free agent a few years ago when he signed here it was he didn't he was one of the guys that again didn't sit around all winter like he pounds on it pretty quick so do the astros that kind of like that guy. I mean i understand why people want to get all the cabinet. If you think you've gotten close to what you want and you like the security and you can get back to business. As usual and work. He seems like kind of just matches his personnel. He lasted less than a month. A free agency. He signed an early december last time. Around so helluva player and just goes to goes to work. What a great example for young and old alike veteran players and young players to just how to do how to do work then. He's good at it and he you know you hear the term professional hitter with him. He's just a pro all the way around in every in every aspect of the way he approaches his craft biscuit. Welcome in and by the way texas am have. What do they say. Stalled or temporarily halted football operations because of covid test. Trevor lawrence should be back this week. Arkansas head coach has covered positive tests. They're they're just they've just got it. They're gonna continue to filter all around the country and we should be used to this Not the we think it's okay but used to for the fact that people are going to test positive biscuit. Welcome in a the morning till you fellas. Hey johnny and and how you guys talking about the texans and I i had a question for you. Because i'm watching the game and Want a certain player when substituted him. It just seemed like it was a break. And i'm looking at the running back position and with the team they got on. It just seems like johnson is just a better fit than david johnson and adding to the trae look even worse but my question is as a quarterback. What's way to quarterback quarterback the hey man you know on like that i can. I get this the game a little bit more. I mean do you. Can you as a quarterback starting quarterback signing can you go into that also coordinators the head coach in a private office and know nobody around us. Hey let's go with. This is that that doesn't happen own regular regular occurrence biscuit. Thanks for the call. Let me let me respond. That is it happens all the time. It's not a knock on player coaches lakota players for solicited advice and say. Hey man what do you what do you think about. How do you feel about this receiver. It doesn't mean they're not from a personal they're talking about how how how is he in the huddle house. He practicing. Why because who would know better than the guy is thrown to a receiver and as a running back. Goes you know. Sometimes you'll get alignment that you're standing around limelight. Come up to you and say mandy. He just hits the hole faster. And then the next thing you know the quarterback's let me off of it like you say you never got a bad mouth. The guy david johnson's a good guy. But the fact of the matter is in bisky hip a really good point on another part of it is when you said. Hey i don't make the trade look worse and you are one hundred percent correct with. Guess what you can't do operate like that because if you operate like that guess what happens is you as a franchisee get worse. You can't be in the lifetime achievement or all. We got david johnson. We gotta make sure we've experimented. We're eight weeks into the season. David johnson is not as good as duke. Johnson it's fact and it's it's obvious to see i mean he's he just is a better player right now and it doesn't make david johnson a bad guy and but i think and you make a good point biscuit but i think that we've already realized that trait sucked so now to the texans smart football team. Say this sucked. It's time let's go fix this. Let's give our team the best chance to win moving forward knowing that david johnson's not going to be on your franchise next year and duke may very well not be either so but i i. You have to make a decision. What gives us the best chance. So yes does does shawn watson reserve the right to walk into romeo cornell say coach or tim kelly the play more. Of course he does and it's not like. Hey i don't like david johnson and you wouldn't do it out loud or embarrass a guy but yes it's responsible. I believe the quarterbacks job all the time or the leaders on the defensive player and you're the middle linebacker and your sam linebacker is coming up and saying hey man or he's not playing good football and every day he's putting your middle linebacker and defensive bind. Don't you at some point if you're the middle linebacker talked to the defensive coordinator position coach. Say did he's lost. Gotta get somebody who understands more that that's not being mean that's just the truth putting our job. Yes you're putting our job in danger so yes biscuit. If the shawn watson likes david. Johnson great likes to the same about liken. You can respect a guy still and like a guy but go behind say coach. Our offense is better with this guy we got. We got a plan and quite frankly. If you're coaching you don't listen then. You're not watching the same that the rest of us are watching. Or what to sean saying. Yes you're comes a point time when you just can't follow let's just toe the line and the the trade sucked but we gotta protect the trade. Because and i think that's what you're saying we just got a biscuit. We just gotta you gotta move on and realise. The trade was not a good trade. So what are you going to do next. Play the guy that you've turned you're making the duke. Johnson trade not a good trade by not playing him that was a third round. Tick conditional so now. You're making it will. That guy's not even getting any run. So that's just as bad with the second round or not. I mean notwithstanding deshaun deandre hopkins. So yes you're damn right you got to. That guy has got to. You've got to let them know you just do but it is and you're right when you saw the other guy come in. He hits faster he just does so it works. Doug welcome in how you doing our young good. What's on your mind. Hey i heard discussing the brantley situation. And i rated the astros. Go ahead and resign him. I'm just not really understanding. Why what the whole situation is. We can't have them both. We can't find him in springer you got burland or green tea. That are going to be coming off the books in the next couple of years. And that's basically seventy seventy million dollars. So i'm not real sure what the astros are thinking like. I mean they have these studs that are all under contract for the next five years bitching and we're concerned about all. We've got to figure out what we're going to do in center field. I mean it just doesn't make any sense to me. Hey doug thanks for the call. I think part of it is a day. Use it right. I think you can do it financially. If you want to to. In a free agent contract guess what you have to have to to to players us and the guy that played the position in the negotiation. He's got wanna stay in. You got want to keep them for the right price and then you start to look at okay if we signed to a five year deal. How old will he be. That deals over for the money. We're paying him and so the question is does it fit. It's not a matter of next year. Could they fit. Brantley and george springer under sure could. Yeah the sure they could but the question is do you want to. And you feel. It's best for your future and your team moving ahead. I love springer rally. I think that. I think in their minds that they've already resign themselves to the fact that they may make a small go at george. I don't think they've. I don't think they believe they're gonna make the pitch. That's going to keep springer in. Houston i don't want him back. It's just against the fact that he's thirty one years old and james clerk came from a franchise that doesn't operate on signing old players analytics. Don't say sign old players. He's not old but he is an older player and they're going to prioritize signing younger players. So i have. I mean brantley not younger. But he's a short term deal. You live with that like. They're going to prioritize. I think signing carlos correa period. And quite frankly probably understand. Although it's a bummer. Right yeah i'm talking about. I mean honestly in the business from the business side of it. I wouldn't consider signing george springer as well period. You're a businessman as a fan. I want him here yesterday. Yes that's just not going happen right. We can discuss. And i know fans are the exile that goes with it. Hopefully michael brantley all limit your anxiety a little bit more and They can get this deal done. Texans take on cleveland browns. This weekend looks like nick. Chubb is going to be practicing all week and more than likely will play this week. This doesn't bode well in the run game much to discuss. You know what's not healthy though will play against a good running team if you're the texas defense but also stressing about work. Maybe you're out of work lost hours. You're not getting enough hours. You need to stop stressing hit the reset button. Because i got a great option for you and you could start a new life as an it. Pro and internet information technology professional as little as four months from the comfort of your own home was zero computer experience instead of waiting to see what happens next. Let's like when life gets back to normal and quotes. Why don't we just take care of that now and get ahead of it and get ahead of your future now by jumping on it. 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It's going to rain pickling got you think yes. It is and Teams that stan to improve themselves That are really good already. We will discuss sportstalk seven ninety and we were talking about duke johnson and number forty Josh romeo cornell on duke johnson's performance now it wasn't oh my gosh stellar to the point. Where a blue your doors off. But she did see something different. It looked a little bit different. Here's a romeo cornell. Had to save duke johnson as a running back. I like the fact that he was able to step in and Get some tough yards. He stepped up and he blocked protection. he can catch the ball out of the backfield. That's why we had those those two guys. They complement each other. Have david duke will take the load and i think we'll like what we see From him doing that job and he did nice job. Yeah you will like what you see. Can we get more of him. Need to get more of him With duke johnson and he also mentioned about the shawn watson and he spent time and time again number. Thirty on the shawn watson and and how good he is and heroes romeo cornell onto sean this past weekend you this describe that he has going. I think that's going to help the team quite a bit. And you know his running ability as we talked last night. I mean you know. You really don't want him to have to run But when he does he's got a knack for feeling the the rush of the pressure and being able to to get himself out of trouble and so We'll let him run if you can stay out of trouble guys. I heard that comment previously. I i don't why don't you want him to run. I don't know because this team we've gone over this. A million times no incentive to losing games. They should actually try to win them. And they have absolute zero running threat and you should be letting them run the football. I don't care like watching guys. Run all over the place running. This is different. I know i know. Romeo came in the league longtime ago. I don't understand now. Do i want him to have to bail all the time. No on of course not. Of course. I don't i don't want that. Nobody does. But i'm just i don't know why we'd say we don't want him to have to run. Don't know are they running the ball pretty well with quarterback in buffalo doing okay. How about the quarterback in seattle. Doing all right now. Aaron doesn't have to because he just different yes he can. You extend plays a guy in baltimore. Ultimate is not bad. Kyle kansas city chiefs arizona. Miami i mean i don't i don't know why we're discouraging that matter of fact. I'm under the impression that we should call more. Designed runs for to shawn watson giving him on the edge to create pressure on a defense see. Here's what happens when a defense doesn't feel pressured to ways and they just dominate you one way and then every single. Then everything's more heightened. Every single thing you do in the passing game has to be perfect now. Does shawn had a decent gambling. I watch he missed some throws it were wide open and then he makes some throws you say damn good okay so for this past week it was just. It was for shawn watson in my mind. It was an for him. Judging were his bars. I thought it was an average game for him. I did. I thought it was just kind of a. It was enough to win. And how do you played like that against kansas city. They got blown out of the building considering all the restless stuff right. Yeah i mean. The other quarterback was a good quarterback and a good team. The jacksonville is not a good team. And to sean t threw for two hundred eighty eight and he was. He was solid. But i've seen him play far better and he missed some throws it. Well did he shouldn't miss and that's okay but imagine the windows that are open if you the effective not only in the run but if he becomes a run through most of the showers runs if not it seems to me ninety percent of them happen out of him stepping out of trouble now if romeo speaking of that will you don't want it to run like half to run like that no sweat there a. Yeah you want protection to be sewn up. But i don't know why we discourage a guy from breaking defenses heart. I really don't i. I've never understood it. Well we don't want to get hurt a say again. The most vicious hits quarterbacks take unless lesser dumb running the football meaning don't know how to protect themselves and decide they wanna take on the best strong safety in the league doubt that's that's dumb right less third and five and you gotta get me. You know six yards in. It's the fourth quarter. Don't take the guy on but there's also smart running and getting to the point where you get out. Put pressure on him when he makes those runs but designed runs to put pressure on the defense. I would love to see more than non forced runs and more design runs. Now i'm not talking about lamar jackson style. But everytime sean breaks the pocket runs he gets me eight. Ten twelve yards. Don't you agree. Look what it's doing for. Josh allen when winces at his best. He's doing both right he's struggled. I mean it's just. I don't understand why the discouragement of that makes any sense. They have no run game. So i i'm not going to your best running back your quarterback. Yes yes you hands in that way right. That's exactly right so i to me. I think the discouragement of will. We don't want to run since the wrong message is the encouragement should be. We want him to run. Because guess what happens when your best football player has a football in his hands. Plays or made do yes sir. Good thanks good. Thanks actually have a chance to happen. See what we don't want. Mc is like when when altuve as having on rolling we don't want him with the bat in his hands when he said they're rolling. He's hitting everything. Hey writing lay down a bunt right here right right or take every pitch that comes right down to you know. Take the tissue. Just don't go swing at it. No we want you to swing at him and we want you to do your thing. I don't wanna take the ball out of my best players hands the hell the more i could put it in hands the happier i am. That's just me. Maybe i'm selfish. But it gives me the best chance to win and limits. My defense happened to be on the field and we have breaking news real quick by the way the in nba the nfl. Ben rothlisberger has been put placed on the covid list. Well benjamin so now that means that he will. We'll see but more than likely are they buy week this week. pittsburgh off or they play. I think they might be all or no. They were already off weren't they. I thought well. I thought i thought the nine and on our they eight now maybe eight now nine see now. You're now i'm thinking of the bengals this week into okay. Okay there you go. So they are eight no i think. I don't think i think there weren't they part of a covert with another team to ten aside and they have tightened so all right so big ban. We'll see we'll. We'll see what progress progresses but the undefeated now the undefeated season on the line. Because if ben doesn't play it's a different team and the titans are pretty good. All right sports talk seven ninety hour number four next we will discuss been discussed the the impact that has on this game. And we'll also discuss you know the the nba calendar and what we're trying to bunch in there and what it means with free agency and the draft sports talk seven ninety sean south reshow classic chevy sugarland classic chevy highway six. I just wanted to explain something. All the deals are spectacular. I think that's pretty obvious. 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All come down the pike here very soon. Here's a calendar november eighteenth. Which is let's see this friday the thirteenth. so fred. What are we teeth. Night yes tried is the thirteenth andy. Draft of ember eighteenth. Free agency starts november twenty at six. Pm november twenty second free agency. Signings can begin at twelve. O one pm is that is that twelve one pm. Am yeah 'cause pm on the tweet usually has to be a m. It's who's going to be waiting. Whose door waiting for a Whatever to sit down with each other it's going to be who's going to be waiting zoom room right. I've never known at. Yeah exactly. i've never known it. Pm at twelve o one in the middle of the afternoon for a free agency to start. I'm assuming just for me. That's twelve one. Am on the twenty second. Free agent. Signings can begin december twenty mean december first training camps open and december. Twenty second is opening night freeze on trades. Being lifted is still to be determined but remains like here. You go free. Agency starts at five central on friday the twentieth right six. All these are eastern. Time is six. Pm eastern time but the signing. That's the free agent starts at twelve one. Am starting november twenty second. Yeah so that should be eastern time one set time. I don't understand why you gotta have a two two day buffer period. I i don't. I don't know what that. Why do we have to have that one to me. When they say free c starts. You should be able to start signing people. let's go ahead and tell me that tamperings not going on already. Well the guys that are gonna leave going damn right. They do they already. But you think about this from november eighteenth so a month in two days we gotta get a draft. Get rookies ready. Start free agency. Sign the guys in free agency open training camp and be prepared open. The nba season december. Twenty second three days before christmas in a in thirty two days basically and you got all that done and have your offense put in and new coach is taking over their teams. Doc rivers all these. I mean envy ready to go and just ended your season. The lakers haven't even fitted their fingers for rings yet. Good luck it's it's going to be the whole the whole doing free agency in november and playing the scene a month later to me is wild. Hold the crazy thing about it is. These guys are going to sign. And they're gonna blinken. They're going to be in their new city. It's great houses quick. You have to be what we were already i saw. Pj tucker yesterday. He's working out at the facility. Already with the rockets facility. Because you have to be at this point. The literally camp is going to start in less than a month because you know. What is your 'cause. It's easy to lose conditioning and stuff. You can sit around for two weeks like oh my. Gosh i gotta start all over but it's hard to get back it's like damn and every year by that offseason grind becomes tougher and sometimes they forget just the physicality part of it physical random another court. It's the mental and emotional part of just dealing with another seventy two games plus playoffs. I quite frankly. I know team like golden state's fired up because well they've been hurting their guys been waiting right so that that team's excited they got the second pick of the draft but and i'm sure a lot of players are excited young players on a roll but if you're a veteran it's been in this league and while you'll agree to because you want to get paid and get going i just i. I don't see how this is well. I i know how it's called money but it's just. I wonder what the players privately think about this. December twenty second start after the season just ended. I mean can't be thrilled digger. The bulls are really bad teams. That didn't go to the bowl. They're happy they're happy. They're ready to play. They don't want it to be delayed any longer because they haven't played since what february march wounded. That's the last time they played. If you're a bad team you may be able to steal a few wins early against right golden state. Is you want to talk about a team to watch them. Come out and just blaze people early with everybody me especially with. i mean. we'll see what they do at the second. I still don't think they're keeping the second. Pick their tradenet away. There's been a lot of talk to that. If they did wiseman would be the pick right. Kicked eight. oh he's an athletic played can defend both ends. I mean play. The rim at both ends does develop into a really good offensive score. And you know night. Be good for them. But there's also talk that they're gonna dangle that out there to go get something else because he's a good pick and he's gonna be a really appears that he's going to be a star in this league because he can run the court to yourself watching him play he is he's pretty he's pretty damn impressive but yeah i would imagine. I think that sentiment is You know you hear that the ball. Ball's name bantered about what edwards is going to be the first pick right. The kid georgia's more than likely putting lamelo boston. Fellow ball right yesterday that there's belief now that lamelo is going to be the first pick instead of edwards and. I don't know how much i believe that. That may be just some agent trying to put it out excitement for a guy again but it's going to be interesting draft and if you're golden state if you're somebody who likes to bet i would imagine early in the season bet golden state take the over. Yeah legs all my. Gosh could be fun to watch i. We'll come back and discuss. 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See and M. c. on sports talk seven ninety grateful to have you guys along as well free agency in in Basketball the draft signings regular season training camp all that usually sale man. We got an incredible six months. No that's in thirty two days up and it starts on december starts november. Eighteenth is when That's the draft. You had on the due diligence. I wonder how you know with all the the the twenty twenty covert stuff. I wonder against the emphasis like in football this year. And anything you're scouting department in how you rate a guy how you observe him than how you break him down in great him had to be with more urgency and you have to trust in people and put a little more trust the people that have seen a guy more than in the past or do you think of the nba that turn on the tv and watch the tape and say that guy's got game. I'll take him. You gotta do your do diligence to find out what he practices like. I mean with they've had to pick up the tempo with this one right. Yeah i mean you ha. You have to have an idea right. You don't need all the advanced stuff to know. I would think you have an idea of more basketball than any other sport right. Yeah i think the only thing is because there for at least a college players. You didn't get to see a season from them. Did it and get enrolled either. Exactly it's hard to really know if there's anything that changed but like you said in general you see a guy you can kinda tell if he's an nba cal replay or not. I can you walk us. Just take us three for example in a sport if we walked into a. Let's say a gym with the top. Let's say we went to a big highlight. The las vegas invitational big high school basketball tournament. Right we would know. Yeah and we're sitting there and we watched about four or five games one after the other just. We love high school hoops that are watching one of the two or three best high school tournaments in the country. I remember when i played in it. It was. I mean some of the best guys had gone onto. And you'd look that guy that guy that guy the best of the best were they are right from all over the country and and you'd sit there and everybody you'd be sized them up when you'd walk into the casino your stay in the hotel and then you go in the gym and the gym within all these games are going saying oh man oh he's going to ucla. Yeah ralph jackson a ball where he was in inglewood high when they were the number one team. You know you can tell as a fan if us. We walked in oak hill academies there you know you start looking around the country wouldn't i. I can tell about a half or a game. I can dwindle down. I know who the fifteen best players appear to be in this gym. I think i could now. There's always that guy who made in shoot well and then in games two and this right right and so while. i know. I'm not trying to simplify it so much but damn it doesn't take much to watch. Wise men play or edwards. Play the or ball play and say okay pretty good now. Let's get to him scout. So i would imagine i easy. He's probably not the right word. But i get a better feel and you talk to the coach kind of practice habits. Josh made the point without having season we missed another season. How clutch they are in in moments you know or for some guys we we missed. Who would the fast. Riser of ben. Right there's always that guy in college season that you missed the college season. There's always that guy to you. Like man he went on a twelve game run or had a great tournament and pushes himself into the first round right. You miss that guy. But i would imagine that if we can see it with the naked eye. Who's got that. You know the guy with extra handle the guy who's a really good passer. It doesn't take me long to figure out who the best deals on the corridor. And i would imagine that the nba feels that same way. When you're now you just gotta decide well. Is this guy a little bit better shooter than this guy who's got better who shoots it better. Long range under pressure dizzy fit in with our team. You know that that think that would be the harder part fit then it would be the guy got game when skills i i'd be looking for the weakness more than skill because the skills stick out sometimes a game. When you're scouting you may be able to hide some weaknesses because of a as zone defense. Can you play man. You know those things. But i think it's pretty obvious to me now. The the if we were to put the top twenty five players in the country in a gym and we watched and and we didn't put the names on the back of the jersey. Just the numbers. I'll betcha we could say well that guy. I'll bet you we could break down. Let's say there was thirty dudes. I'll betcha we could get close to pick in the top fifteen or twenty nine betcha we could now. I don't know if that baseball. I still more difficult. That's exactly. I gotta see a long and in football like at quarterback. I got to see a bunch of that to go. Who the biggest workout freak is. That's the problem you find it football. I'll i i've witnessed that per i went to the johnny manziel pro day and i was completely convinced after watch then person standing five feet away from it. I'm like oh my god. This guy has a rocket for an arm. He's going to be incredible right. Yeah he can do everything. Well he had don't forget he had shoulder pads and he put through his pro workout. He did all that to show them that he could throw with. All that is hard going. Everybody else going to that. Like i was really. I was in the in the category of this guy's going to be a superstar and that's where the workout freak in football can kind of be hidden right. Yeah there's a big difference in plan shorts and a t-shirt where you can throw the ball and then all of a sudden yeah but he doesn't recover very well when there's eleven other dudes out there. What have you in baseball right. The main over the course time so difficult to fight you. That's gotta be along. But i got news for i promise you i think i could go watch edwards play five times which we've seen in play and say well that guy's a on court right because guess what they do play in shorts of t shirt. That's right right and you what you're seeing. There is what you're gonna see when he's playing pickup hoops. I mean now pressure part of it kenny. Is he again. Can he make free throws when the games on the line. All those things but listen if you could shoot shorts and a tee shirt in when you're playing ball georgia or you know you're playing ball memphis and and you're doing those things you could see the moves around the basket know we can see those guys and as long as it's then you're saying well okay. I know the strikes let me find is the guy. Movers feet on defense. But i to the three major sports basketball would be the easiest. If there is a word called easiest scouting anybody would be the easiest to define who the best players were the fastest. That would help us in a year like this. But now they're going to be facial all this pressure of bunch all this crap in and in the meantime making sure your veterans are taken care of seeking get younger players. Ready to give the veterans arrests. The first couple weeks of the season right. I say rest is limits minutes. They get their legs underneath them. Having to worry about scouting. These young is which you'd think most of it's done by now but getting them in camp. And then roger that it's all right. Who are we going to add from free agent. It's a lot in. It's probably going to split your team in twos of. Hey y'all are worried about this. You already about this and then hey we have this similar mindset that. We're trying to work with. But i think in general. It's not tough to do. Each one in basketball issues the cumulative effect of all in such a short period of time. That's best the real challenge for them. Oh i agree. And i will not be surprised with this thing. We were talking about teams that are jacked up that were didn't get to the bubble and teams that didn't get to the bubble but when they're healthy argued into the bubble if we ever had what again. Hopefully we will have to do that again. But you mentioned golden state. It will not surprise me if they're in the nba finals. All not one bit insanely difficult. But i i'm very interested to see. Because i think that trading the second pick in for salary standpoint being able to match it up now honestly i would. I know that. He's the the time their heart and soul if you had to use dream on dream on second because the contracts not good but they can use. Andrew wiggins is an actual negotiable piece to get maybe some better. Somebody's looking to move. Something i yeah. There's been a lot of talk about. He's been the biggest aside from if they were going to drive to. He's been the biggest name bantered about up in in northern cal about the wiggins. If he's there without you know what. I mean the just the whole fit for andrew wiggins what you're talking about The are you a fan of his i. I'm very interested to see how it goes with with the other guys like. I think he could be a very good fit. And i think they may end up being the third. I mean he's not going to be a number one guy anymore. We never needed to be like he can be nineteen points and i guy i think in a very efficient level because he has other great players around him when he's being asked to go score twenty five twenty six night. He's not good at a lot of guys are better and i think that's the he for sure doesn't have to be the first of the second right now. You don't have to be the one of the two and he may be he could turn into. Golden state has away he to be a better three point shooter. That's born to me. That's exactly right but he he's a he could actually be you your third option and your third option at eighteen to twenty points a game. It's pretty good good option. Yeah also the thing that the warriors can do with this pick. That's allowing them so much flexibility because they have dc young players and guys like wiggins. You make a lot of money. You can match big sellers. They have a seventeen million dollar trade exception. I believe still that they can just float in and not add a play anything yet. Almost twenty million bucks a seventeen million. You said seventeen point. Believe i mean. They're sitting on top of the world right now. They're part of the story. And it's at here locally. Obviously you have to and it's going to be interesting to see all these contenders play it because the west is going to be a monster in this year and you can't screw around early in the season because this season it looks like you. Add the golden state. Warriors to the mix of memphis is right there with a young budding team last year. Portland expected to maybe be better new orleans. Yes should be better. San antonio's not great but if they keep all their players they'll linger they make you work. New orleans ended. The conference could be twelve deep right. Utah's always gonna give trouble. Portland is going to give a troubled. Denver lakers clippers mavericks rockets. And we've mentioned all those teams. Oh by the way those at team who knows how to win championships like we said it. Golden state so it is going to be a monster. But i'll tell you what if you if we had tics and you wanna give me golden state and some odds to be world champions. I'll take him. I think. I think they have that capability and i would imagine. They're they're probably want to take it out on the world after what happened. Fbi's right now they are trying to bury a so. They are in a really good position. Josh you mentioned with the the you know the money in the and with the second pick and getting the most out of out of their players not name klay thompson and and And steph curry. They're well coached. I mean what's not to like about him right so put it this way. Good teams go. Miss playoffs couple of this year. State has the fourth best is in vegas to win the title. And who are the three they got milwaukee. Milwaukee is just ahead of the meth third right. And then you've got the lakers and clippers one into what brazil to lakers are one right behind golden state at the frost eastern conference team of seventy sixers. Now celtics note their sixth he not the heat their seventh staying Brooklyn brooklyn fifth. always forget. Oh yeah they have. A they have steve nash with dad tony staff now if nothing else that will be a very interesting watch. Let's put it that way With kyri and new. I mean it's going to be be fun to watch. They'll score some points. I'll tell you that one of katie is going to be the same after aquiles workout. At least he looks pretty good. Yeah i was gonna say what's not good for him and you know i mean bug and test. He may be mad at the world to kind of gold state is katie. May decide he wants to go all you know. What do they go wall What's the what's the phrase they use. Version no not all hand- will handle or legal. Yeah you might go away if you if you want to bet on something for brooklyn. Their number for total wins. It's seventy two game season but it's forty three and a half fire on the over. I'll take the over twenty. I'll take in the over seven hundred seriously going to get online right now. That's not a bad idea. All right sports talk seven hundred thirty minutes left in the trenches next with md. And chris gordy. This is fun banter and we're going to get a lot of the next thirty days because well the nba is gonna budget. 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These young guys threatening for a world series will jeff will win. Money in this lawsuit are settled. A win money yes. He will get at least some of his money back that he was going to get. I don't think he'll get all of it. It'll reach settlement like age. Aj hinch reached a settlement quietly. It never got to this. I'll say yes. But i party wants to say no just because of what could come out of it but it. It feels like the ashes will do anything to make sure that none of astra's don't want us to go. I mean yeah they're not gonna want go to corn. The answer is yes that we will get paid. Don't know if you'll get it all but he'll get paid just ended. Yes that they'll put a all you know a lot of the old gag order on. Don't talk after this is done and move on and he's gonna get paid just because nobody regardless. Nobody they want this done. They want to move on and twenty twenty one will jeff luneau get another job by twenty twenty two in baseball now. I think this with all the other stuff. I i think. His name is going to be rumored about. It's been lightly brought up already with the angels job but there sound like there was no real actual discussion of it. I i just get the feeling. That the way that i think unless until he sits down and i just think that he's being so defiant with it's going to turn a lot of people off but only takes one would want to win and he's definitely one josh. I'll say not baseball by do think there's a good chance. He goes and becomes a some sort of adviser for like a soccer team in england or mexico or maybe gaming mean like an eastward team. Something weird i think. He'll have a job but i don't think he ever gets back in baseball for how he's handled this by twenty twenty two for sure not. He'll have a job in sports. It just won't be in baseball running a team and after twenty. Twenty two maybe twenty twenty three twenty twenty four. Somebody starts to decide that enough times past but also when lawsuits hit baseball teams. Get leery of that sports teams do. They're like who could that happen to us. You know what i'm saying. They just they don't like it when people go after their former employer because they're wondering if that's going to be damn whether we whether you guys you know like at home or not but no baseball by twenty twenty two Cam newton and patriot past this season. Nope not a chance. I'll i don't think so. He's not been good. they're not good. I think they'll draft quarterback. I'm going to say yes. But i think most of what you said scraped. I think they're going to draft a quarterback they may bring some young kitten or a young guy in that has an upside. Like maybe bring setback or something. I think cam still on the roster. But i don't think he's gonna be there guy for the future i think he just maybe a holdover until they get the next guy that they want to at least see what he has you know if cam newton's dot the star going in not coming back i don't think he's back and i think there's a chance of this continues at jimmy. Garoppolo could be the quarterback in new england next year. I think that that is a depending draft. A guy garoppolo. Well at the san francisco for the dc. They only have to pay four point. Eight million dollars. You cannot believe the banter going on in san francisco. Where do you go from there. You have a super bowl roster that just banged out this season and that that's and that's the other side. I've tried to bang the table for that same. Listen let's not. Let's not make knee jerk decisions if you're the forty niners but here's the problem. A lot of us look around the league with like the. The instant impact. Quarterbacks are making in the passing game right in. Jimmy struggled issue but he helped. The team gets the soup with good numbers. I think what it is is they think fans and media think that there's another quarterback gets another level and that if you let him go. Could you trade for sam darnold for a third round. Pick under a rookie deal and do that. And now there's a lot of banter about zack wilson. Now the kid from byu. I moved to trade for him. I think jimmy is a good player. I think they think there's i think they liked jimmy. I'm not sure they love him. And i think there is the chance. I talked to the patriots color commentator. I said who's on. Who's your starting quarterback next year. And he said he he's on forty niners roster right now in which way. I found odd but they loved him. There didn't want to get with him. Could happen because it only costs and four point eight million dollars total over the next two years to get rid of one hundred million dollar contracts. So we'll see. I like jimmy. I just wonder if they love him enough to keep him. I think a lot of the san francisco fans have also started convinced himself that aaron rodgers is a real threat. And i don't. I don't think it is it all the he's gonna stay with the packers as long as he wants. Then they'll bring in love. They're not gonna get to love quicker to get aaron rodgers aaron rod jordan. Love going to be doing what he's doing this year set in his ass right on the bench a plan while rogers air and the forty niners are not gonna be able to pull that off next year. But there's growing there's a groundswell of new either change. Is there any chance that rogers says. Let's let's go ahead and do this. All if he's pissed off they keep pissing him off like they do baby. And it'd be perfect. You give rogers a healthy forty niners roster the way they run it and they're def- lookout man different story right rogers on that team when healthy and deebo samuel and they're pretty good. george kittle. Yeah bosa back. Be interesting all right. We'll fuller texan next year. Yes i think that they franchise tag him is my guess money but i just i don't think they would have kept himself into a corner. When did that's exactly what i was gonna say. I if you asked me three weeks ago. I would have said no. But because they are so defiant about keeping it feels like i'm just they have to lease franchise tag him. At least they may give him the big deal he wants but i don't think he goes away at all like he's a little bit. Is sam darnold a starting quarterback in the nfl. on another franchise next year. Yes i will. I will say that. He's starting for somebody whether it's chicago chicago. Mix to inver sometimes. Been right for them. I think i think locks future for denver. But i think this is an intriguing. One as san francisco to with their rosters right. Yeah somebody who. He'll start for somebody in extra. There's no way it just won't be the going to look at. This guy. needs a reset right up in place where that's not the jets. Yep i would agree. One hundred percent josh. Yes or no yes. I don't know if he's the fulltime star but he'll start a game or two for at least some team next year okay. I'll let you mull this over and before you answer. We'll patrick don't don't blurt it out. Will patrick mahomes of win the mvp this year sports. Talk seven ninety. Willie or won't he will they or won't they will it or won't it. We'll finish that up here on sports. Talk seven hundred. Sean salisbury show a lot of hardcore good opinion here continue to roll on with the crew coming back sports. Talk seven hundred you know what's not healthy a stressing about work. What's even more unhealthy as if you're out of work or you're not getting the hours you need to support your family case. Ah let's stop stressing. 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I'll say yes just because it seems like no matter what happens every single year as long as he's healthy compla- off time. Lebron james somehow makes it to the finals. This is the first time. I'm going to say that in a short season he's even going to. I mean as what a freaky is. But that may be. I don't know is will get too comfortable Not with his fitness but to what they want again. Now these done it with the lakers will tame the same challenge. Be there for wanting to for wanting to get to the championship right. I mean and he pushes himself and josh. You're making your point as long as he's right he there's a drive in him right because now everyone's going to sit here and say well the age is finally going right here right. Thirty about to turn thirty sevice. Thirty six december and the beating on his body cool kinney take the short offseason. And so he'll take that as another challenge to piss him off and go. So i don't i don't doubt they're going to be in the final four in the western conference final. Say somehow some way that they just somebody else gets there. Will he win the mvp again in the in the regular season mvp. Will he ever win another one. I would bet no just because there's too many other guys that are going to put up more rawal massive numbers than he is going to put. Did he deserve at this year. No all right josh. I after the fact if you include playoffs. I think he did deserve it this year but going forward i think if there's a player on the lakers that wins in mvp it's going to be. Anthony davis yeah. I don't have. I don't have loved. James harden here locally is gonna put better numbers for regular season. Mvp award and to me. It's going to be more deserving of the mvp award most seasons because his numbers are going to be way better. And i think will be the case again next year. That's just one player there. Janas will do the same. I think you could give the mvp award that. I think it's like ballot. Check when normally. I think you could give the mvp award coach of the year award. I think you could give it to lebron every year. If you really want. I can make a case every year. Why he should win it but i also can make a case. Why somebody else. What you won't. I don't think he wins another mvp but there may be a going away party at some point for him to do it. Will yana sign a supermax in milwaukee. Nope absolutely not. I've i can't believe pivoted on that. But i think that there is. We all know his last hurrah with the bucks after after that he series last year. I think that's when he decided. I know that they're trying to say at this stage. Exactly i think there's growing optimism and everything is they're saying up there but i don't believe it i just think he knows. Hey you need to sit around with a elite shooters and other guys who can score whenever they pack the pain. You know like when i they shut me down i need someone else. He's not going to get that in milwaukee and to me. That's why he is the he's a great player and he'll probably find a way to at least playing in a finals at some point but he is completely overrated completely because he can't shoot and in crunch time. I can't give the guy. The ball. I know i can get to the rim. But i can't remember offense through he shoot. I used to think that he was a he might actually be better when you have another guy. That's as good as him on his team. That same when i played with james harden like that would be amazing for him because he wouldn't have to shoot threes as i mean he could he would. He might average thirty eight a game because he's so physically means that good mid range and inside and i don't know if he's ever going to be able to develop a three point shot right on a consistent basis. He's a great player. But when i say somebody better than embolism anybody bed but if you want with harden where he doesn't have to be the clear clear clear number one that uncertain like an la who's the number one now is a lebron or is it a d. so you think anthony davis joshes right now. Some could say that they wanna championship. Because anthony davis not lebron. James could make that argument this year. Correct but neither one was winning a championship. This year without the other one janas needs another one like him. It is does. I think and it would make me even more effective than he already is so with that in mind. He's not going back to milwaukee he is gonna he's gonna fall into the trap of the big he's gonna go somewhere where there's other star players not named. Chris middleton still just think he's going to miami and you may be very very you may be right. Let's end with this one now. He listened closely. Is there a better chance that brady wins the super bowl this year or before. He retires or rivers. Breeze darnold fulls. Garoppolo are all are not playing for their same team next year. Whether it's retirement or elsewhere better chains wins so there's a better chance of brady winds and there's more likely of moral put it this way more likely chance brady than all five of those guys are on their same team correct. Okay i'll i'll go with all those guys on their team. Just for the fact that i think the only one that really i believe has a shot. Stay on their team next year. Is garoppolo breeze retires. This year he plays again. I think he has a good shot. They'll be in there but everyone else is done on their team. So i actually think that. It's pretty close that i had brady winning one and i know. Mc you're buying into what we were talking about it to ours. Brady get another one this year. But i- garoppolo maybe of those five guys the least likely not to move but it's probably fifty fifty right now by the people in that city. Who think he is gonna move so it's interesting to find out. We could have a whole bunch of changes at quarterback across the landscape next year. And we'll be back to try and change the sports world tomorrow for mc and josh. I'm sean we don't ever take you for granted in the trenches with andy. Chris gordon next followed by the math thomas show with ross the a team this afternoon appreciate you appreciate my partners. We'll see in about twenty hours. Be safe out there. Thanks for joining us in the trenches next.