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NPR News: 05-31-2019 7PM ET
"Live from NPR news, in Washington, I'm Jack Speer, a mass shooting event at a Virginia Beach. Virginia municipal facility today has left at least eleven people dead and half a dozen more hurt. They've been taken to hospitals, Virginia Beach. Police chief James severa says the suspected shooter apparently was a city worker. We do know that shortly of the four pm this afternoon. The suspect entered building, too. He's a longtime employee of public utilities will not release his name at this time and immediately began to discriminatively fire upon all the victims. Police ain't addition to the eleven people killed the gunman is also, deceased. Police officer was among the wounded. It's not clear. What prompted the gunman opened fire. The governor of taxes is taking issue with President Trump's threat to impose tariffs on imports from Mexico, as Houston public. Media's Travis reports, Republican, Greg Abbott says the move would harm the state's economy, Texas in Mexico have more than one hundred billion dollar trade relationship. So when trade tensions flare up between the two businesses here get nervous Abbott. A Republican ally of Trump says he understands the president's quote deep frustration with what's happening at the border added calls it a crisis, that's at a breaking point. But the governor says he's previously opposed tariffs for the economic damage they could do to his state and remains opposed. To them if Mexico decided to retaliate with tariffs of its own in the weeks ahead, Texas would be hit particularly hard. Texas is the nation's largest exporting state and its biggest customer is Mexico for NPR news. I'm Travis Bouba. Nick, in Houston, attorneys representing migrant children say the federal government is violating a long standing court order by holding thousands of unaccompanied minors at a shelter in homestead Florida NPR's. Greg Allen reports emotion filed in federal court lawyer said the children are being held to several months in quote prison-like conditions when lawyers and doctors visited the shelter in homestead house. More than two thousand children ages thirteen to seventeen many had been there for months attorneys, say this violates the nineteen Ninety-seven floors agreement which requires immigration authorities to promptly release children to sponsors or move them to license, non secure shelters. The motion includes declarations from children about the harsh conditions in homestead children's say they're not allowed to hug, or touch anyone one hundred forty four boys share a single. Dormitory a former airplane hangar. And they're not allowed to leave the motion says holding children in these conditions. Quote can inflict long lasting psychological developmental and physical harm. Greg Allen, NPR news. Miami consumers or a bit more reluctant to open their wallets in April. The government reporting today consumer spending was up just three tenths of one percent last month. A disappointing end of the month. For Wall Street, the Dow Jones industrial average was down three hundred and fifty four points today. That's a one point four percent decline. You're listening to NPR. French automaker. Renault says it's board will meet next week to vote on a possible merger with rival Fiat Chrysler, Fiat Chrysler proposed merging with Renault creating the world's third largest automaker worth upwards of forty billion dollars. The mergers been billed as an effort by the companies to combine forces in order to better compete in the fast growing world of electric vehicles and self driving cars and trucks, much of the northern US is being bathed in smoke from a huge complex of wildfires burning out of control and Alberta. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says the thick smoke can be seen as far south is Kansas Montana public radio's Eric Whitney has the story. Many Montana's have been seeing Brown skies this week, and health officials are recommending that people limit outdoor exertion in at least three cities here. Wildfire smoke is common in Montana in late summer, but unusual this time of year. Bench met with Missoula city county, health department says climate change means smoke seasons are getting longer summers get longer. Fire's. He's an expands. It's just becoming, you know, hired protect one where exactly going to get hit by smoke event. Meteorologists say the volume of smoke from Alberta and weather conditions means it'll continue to stretch from the Yukon domain and into mid western states, as far south as Nebraska through at least Saturday for NPR news. I'm Eric Whitney in Helena, repeating this hour's top story at least eleven people were shot and killed by a gunman at Virginia Beach. Virginia municipal facility today. Six others were reportedly wounded. They've been taken to area hospitals. A police officer among the wounded the suspected shooter city employees reported to be dead. I'm Jack Speer NPR news.
Full Episode: Sunday, June 2, 2019
"Hey, I'm Brad milkey, and I hosted new daily news podcast from ABC news called start here. Every day we get you up to speed on the stories that are going to be driving your day. We get important context from experts with on the ground access, and we do it all in twenty minutes. So start smart. And subscribe to start here brought to you by indeed used by over three million businesses for hiring where business owners and HR professionals can post job openings with screener questions, then soared review and communicate with candidates from an online dashboard. Learn more at indeed dot com slash ABC. This week with George Stephanopoulos stocked. Right now Virginia Beach massacre. Twelve dead. In America's latest mass shooting, Virginia Beach. Our Virginia Beach police chief James severa joins us live and the special counsel breaks. His silence. If we had had competent that the president clearly did not commit a crime. We would have set sparking new calls for impeachment. More pressure on the speak eleven instances of possible, obstruction of Justice. Lucie fears impeachments that trap that could help President Trump at will Democrats escape, this dilemma can leave force Muller to testify. What are the consequences for twenty twenty west democratic candidates, Senator Michael Bennet, the chairman of the house, intelligence committee, Adam, Schiff and one of the president's top defenders in congress? Jim Jordan, plus Martha Raddatz on the ground in Tehran, for an exclusive interview with Iran's foreign minister if you did come back to the Goshi aiding table, would you trust President Trump and the president threatens new tariffs on Mexico and China as he prepares to launch his reelection bid. How will the escalating trade wars impact the race inside analysis? Moore powerhouse roundtable, we'll break down the politics, smokeout, the spin facts that matter. From ABC news. It's this week here now chief banker George Stephanopoulos. Good morning and welcome to this week. We have a lot to get to the sorting. But we begin in an all, too familiar place, mourning the victims of another mass shooting in America here. The twelve killed in a government building in Virginia Beach late Friday, the Cato Brown Ryan, Keith Cox terror. Welsh gallagher. Mary-louise Gail Alexander Mikhail, Gustaf, Joshua hardy, Missy Langer Richard nettleton, Catherine Nixon. Christopher Kelly RAB bird, smelling Bobbi Williams, the victims and their loved ones in our thoughts this morning. We will not name the shooter as we confront what has become a deadly epidemic. And we begin with the police chief of Virginia Beach James severe chief severe thank you for joining us this morning aren't condolences to your entire community. In addition to the twelve victims, we also know there are four injured. What more can you tell us about their condition this morning and the latest on the investigation? We do know that three of the victims, who were wounded are still in critical condition. One is in much better condition. Our fingers are crossed in our prayers are going out that, that winds up in a positive outcome for all of them, as far as the investigation goes, recurrently in what we call the evidence recovery mode, the F B I has sent a team of some forty investigators on our evidence recovery team to assist us, actually, they now have the lead at this point. So all the forensic techs from our city evidence recovery. Text from the FBI are still in the crime scene in the building, I have to let you know, it's a large building, and because it's an older building the inside is a honeycomb maze, of offices that have been added and some deleted, as time, went on when the building was first constructed they've been in there for since the initial shooting, and might might deep honor goes out to the work that they're doing right now to put this whole case. Together from this end. None of us want to give these shooter anymore attention than he deserves moved from what you've discovered so far. Anything more on the motive or whether anything could have been done to prevent this tragedy. We don't have anything additional on a motive or now interviewing co workers witnesses family members, anyone who will step forward, maybe to give us some additional background. I appreciate the fact that we're not mentioning his name. We did at once. That's the last time I'm going to do it as far as additional information on, on the case. Like I said, we're working every angle, we possibly could remember this is an open government building. And he's an employee of the open government building. So he has access through his card to get into numerous places that the general public would not be allowed into he had full access to the build any team the guns legally as well. At least some of them, we know the shooter used a sound suppressor. What difference did that make? And do we need more restrictions on gun accessories? Like that. The sound suppressor is just that. So someone in one of the building, would not have heard a gunshot going off as opposed to another end of the building. But again, this is a very large building them night, not have been an issue in this particular case as far as, you know, more legislation on on gun issues. A member major City Chiefs. We did publish something about a year and a half ago. I don't think most of that would have mattered in this particular case, we do have the second amendment. It is very stringent for our country in this particular case, the weapons were obtained legally everything was done in a legal manner by this individual, and your officers responded with their training quite quickly saved lives. You've been in law enforcement now forty four years. This has hit home for you and your force this morning. What is your message to the country? Well, my message is this the first four officers that made entry made entry into that building within a few minutes of the initial call going out other officers responded to search other parts of the building the team that made the entry that, eventually confronted the suspect made that entry began to clear out the first floor realize where the suspect was on an additional floor. The immediately engaged with him. It was a long gun battle for lack of any other word. What we call a long firefight. They stood their ground. They held their ground. He was moving. They were moving this wasn't something that you would think of in most police, officer involved shootings. And also, everyone has to remember this isn't a choreographed movie or TV incident. It was real. It was violent. It was going on those cops stuck themselves in that place to stop him from committing. More carnage in that building. One officer was wounded. I checked with him yesterday. He's doing just fine and they were able to. Take the individual down, and yes, it was a fatality, but we also have to know that when they realized he was injured when they realized he was down. They then switched over to first date for that particular individual because cops across the country believe in a sanctity of life, and they believe that they're the ones that are put themselves in harm's way for other individuals. And that's exactly what those young cops every single day chief thanks very much for your time. Thank you, sir. And we now joined by Senator Michael Bennet, one of the twenty three Democrats running for president this here. Senator Bennett, thank you for joining us this morning. He just turned the chief, right? They're kind of laying out the difficulties facing those recalling for more gun restrictions like you. What difference can a president make you know, President Obama supporter, more gun restrictions couldn't get it done. Thanks, george. Thanks for having me. I think president can make a big difference here. Look, we just to house representatives have passed background checks to close the gun show. Loophole, internet, loophole this this, this person bought the guns lawfully, as we know and, and every single fact pattern is going to be different, but we should pass those background checks ninety percent of the American people. Support it, but we know what's going to happen, which is the houses past it, Mitch McConnell will not allow it to come to a vote in the Senate. And we will not have national background checks after Columbine in Colorado, the people of this, western state voted to close the gun show loophole and the internet loophole. That was twenty years ago, George in every single year about two or three percent of the people that try to buy a gun in Colorado or stopped, and these people are rapists and murders and convicted of felons of one kind or another and it's impossible to argue that our state's not safer as. Result of this law. So my hope is that if McConnell does not take this up on the floor that the American people, and the people of Kentucky will hold them accountable for that. And that we can actually put leadership in the Senate, and the White House that will do something about this. You're not the only Colorado in the race. I your former boss when he was mayor of Denver. John Hickenlooper is also running, of course, he was governor of Colorado as well. And yesterday he had a pretty rough reception at the California Democrat convention, when he denounced socialism, wanna show, it, let me be clear. If we want to be Donald from an gene big progressive goals. Socialism is not the answer. I was reelected. You heard those boos right there, you know, at the state of the union, you applauded President Trump, when he said America will never be a socialist country. Are you worried that you and John Hickenlooper are out of step with the base of your party? Well, I think John might not have wanted to denounce socialism in San Francisco that might be the last place that you to do it. I don't think I'm out of step. I, I was not applauding. Donald Trump is applauding the idea that this country will not become a socialist country. I think we have two hundred and thirty years of being the longest lived democracy on the planet. That's something we need to preserve. It is becoming harder and harder for us because we have had forty years of no economic mobility in the United States, ninety percent of the American people, ninety percent George have not shared in the economic growth of the last forty years for them, those periods of economic growth have acted as a recession. And as a result, they can't afford the basic components of a middle class life and on. Top of that. If you're poor in this country, your chances of getting into the middle class are lower today than they've been in generations, that is tearing it, our democracy. And if we don't figure out a way to to begin to address that to reestablish in this country, the idea that when the economy grows everybody's income grows, we're going to have real problems. And so I don't think we need to call it socialism or not says it doesn't matter what we need is a country where everybody has a share in our prosperity, but it's not only rhetorical difference there real substantive differences, as well. He was also booed when he when he took on the idea of Medicare for all that it's going to take away health insurance from so many millions of Americans that's your position as well. Again, the base the party seems to be going in another direction. Well, actually, I think that Twitter universe in the party is going in another direction debase to the party that I've been meeting with in New Hampshire, Iowa and just yesterday in South Carolina. They don't think we should take insurance away from one hundred and eighty people. They actually categorically do not agree that Bernie is right on that. And I don't think Bernie's right on that. I think he's wrong. I, I remember when we voted on a bond, ObamaCare, I was there, and we all said, if you like your insurance, you can keep it and, and sounds of people in the country, lost it because the insurance that didn't prevent people with three existing conditions from being bounced from their health insurance, and it was a political catastrophe. Now, we're saying, look, if you like your insurance, the Democrats are going to take it away from you and replace it with a government plan. That's not going to be acceptable to people if you want universal healthcare, which I do. I just I just had a prostate cancer operation myself, and I feel very strongly about this, if we want universal healthcare, I think we're a lot better off saying the American people, you have an option for your family. And for you to decide whether you want to be on a public plan. Minus called Medicare X were on a nonprofit plan, which is what I'm on now, Kaiser or for profit plan. If we tell the American people, we have to take it away from you before you can have universal healthcare. It's never gonna work, and that's not because by the way, single payer is a bad idea. It's because we have an existing system of insurance today if we had no existing system, I think we should be having a different conversation, but I just. Yeah, I know you're hoping to be the not I know you're hoping to be the nominee. So as Bernie Sanders, can you support him as a democratic socialist. If he gets the nomination, I absolutely can support them and I can support him wholeheartedly. If it means we're going to beat Donald Trump. You think democratic socialists, can be Donald Trump? Well, I think the only way we're going to lose to Donald Trump is if we disqualify themselves, and that's why that's why these issues around how we approach universal healthcare, how we approach climate change. We as. Democrats, we have to build a broad constituency in the country, not just Democrats independents, and Republicans Stover come Trump. We should never have lost Trump. We lost to a climate denier. He should have been disqualified from office, just on the basis of that yet, we lost on jobs argument to a guy who is threatening or promising to drag us back into the nineteenth century me. We have two good to make this case you're gonna have to get on the debate stage right now you're having your you haven't qualified yet there two criteria. Sixty five thousand donors want to show a chart here from five thirty eight sixty five thousand donors, you need one percent in at least three national polls. They say it could be tough to make this debate even tougher to make the third debate where they're going to double those criteria. You confident you can be able to get on. Well, I hope so I only got in the race four weeks ago. So Georgia, I'm behind and anybody who wants to help. We'd love to have the help but I also think I hope the DA. NC sort of takes a look at this and reconsiders I one to really tough races. In Colorado, a swing state a purple state in the west. I've cheered the Democratic Senate campaign committee, I raised a record amount of money while I was doing that. I've been in the Senate for ten years. And I think that the tragedy for adding voices to the democracy, if we're basing it just on what people can raise on the internet and just a handful of weeks. I just don't think it makes any sense. I mean, you should see George the emails that people are sending out to try to get. Fundraising contributions. I mean, the desperation is unbelievable and has nothing to do with putting Democrats into a strategic posture to win the White House from Donald Trump, which is where we need to be Senator Bennett. Thanks. I think that's where we need to. Thank you for sharing your views this morning. Thanks for having me up next tensions between nine states in Iran. Martha Raddatz is in Tehran for an exclusive interview with Iran's foreign minister, we'll be right back. Get cash back for shopping, you were already going to do racket in is free member base. Loyalty program that lets you earn cashback on shopping over twenty five hundred stores like Macy's best, buy, Nike, and more. Shop online internet percentage of every purchase you make up to forty percent cashback every three months members are paid the pay pal or another method sign up today. Rocketing dot com. That's our A. K U, T E, N dot com. Capital One is building a better Bank. One that feels an axe nothing like a typical Bank. 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We were on the streets of Tehran that night surrounded by Ronnie, and people food, folks, these people are so happy that punishing sanctions will eventually be lifted and sanctions were lifted double digit growth quickly followed. But today in Tehran there is little to celebrate with the sanctions back in place. The Iranian economy is in dramatic distress here in Tehran's grandma's czar. There seems to be all kinds of goods and plenty of food. But the problem is now the prices are astronomical prices for red meat and poultry are fifty seven percent, higher vegetables forty seven percent milk, cheese and eggs, a thirty seven percent increase one of the sanctions done to to your. Very bad. Among the young people here, a majority of the population fears of war seemed to be dwarfed by the crippled economy, are you worried about finding a job? I'm actually voted about everything in my life right now because I, I cannot see any future ahead of me. Reaced Doron's foreign minister about Trump's so-called maximum pressure campaign when we sat down with him this morning. It looks like it's having a devastating effect on the economy. President Trump has called it. In fact, economic war. I call it economic terrorism. And the reason I call it taking on MC terrorism. Is that it targets ordinary Iranian people. President Trump says he wants to talk he has invited running officials to give him a call. How likely is that something likely because talking is the continuation of the process of pressure? He is imposing pressure. This may work in real estate market. It does not work. Indeed Invidia on, if you did come back to the negotiating table, would you trust the United States, would you? Trust. President Trump, the last experience was not vide- optimistic and does not provide optimistic. Perspective for future. This is what I believe is happening to the national community. That's his people think twice before they talk to the United States because they know that what the agree today, may not hold tomorrow on Friday. The International Atomic Energy agency said Iran is in compliance with the original nuclear deal, but the EA is also raising questions about new centrifuges in Iran, and the US has accused Iran or its proxies of sabotaging four oil tankers near the Persian Gulf charges. A reef disputes, if the United States decides to declassify some of its intelligence if they show images which some officials saying system of cruise missiles being put on small Iranian boats. Will you simply dismiss that enough believe it? No, no, no. You see called displace. Footer reason. So it's next to us, we have a right to defend ourselves. Just imagine if Iran, where to come to California coast over to come to Florida coast. How do you feed? How would you treat that these ships are located very close to our waters? We have the right to put whatever missiles, we wanna put on them you've talked about escalation, that there would be dangerous consequences. What kind of consequences? Are you talking about the United States rely like to keep President Trump guessing because he likes everybody in the world to keep on guessing about what is happening in the United States, you here to one day, something coming from the White House? The next day something is coming from the State Department since they want us to continue guessing that them continue guessing to what would you say to President Trump? I've said it before threats against it on never work. Never threaten Iran. Tried respect that may work foreign ministers. Reef says, Iran would only act out of self defense, but that can have a very broad definition. George. Does this sound like eleven negotiations anytime soon Martha? Thanks very much. The opinion says that the constitution requires a process other than the criminal Justice system. Formally accused a sitting president of wrongdoing. Opinion says you can indict a president while he's in office, but he could have reached a decision as to, whether it was criminal activity, very different views there from William bar, Robert Muller when it talk about that now with congressman Adam Schiff, the chair of the house, intelligence committee, chairmanship. Thank you for joining us this morning. I know you're coming into us from San Francisco, this morning sight of that state convention yesterday, and I want to start by showing everyone has speaker Nancy Pelosi speaking of that convention, and almost getting drowned out by these calls for impeachment. Let's listen. The report lays out eleven instances of possible obstruction of Justice by the president of the United States. As. And now you've been supporting the speaker, she holds the line against impeachment. But the pressure is building. Can you hold the line? Well, look, I think we're going to do what's right for the country and at this point, the speaker has not reached the conclusion, and I haven't either that it's best for the country to put us through impeachment proceeding that we know is destined for failure in the Senate. Now that calculus may change if the president continues to stonewall if the president continues to demonstrate his unfitness for office, there may be little additional cost to going through that process. It is in a way, even if unsuccessful in the Senate, the ultimate form of censure in the house, but we're not there yet. And I think if it is a close, call close calls, go against putting the country through that we have an important legislative agenda to try to advance, we have important oversight work. We can do outside the context of impeachment, and I think, at this point that is still the preferred course, but it would still could still strengthen your hand against the department of Justice in court and opening an inquiry is not the same as reaching a final judgment on impeachment. Why does the evidence laid out by Muller require at least opening that inquiry will, of course Muller, didn't say that what he was presenting required impeachment. In the same way, he didn't comment on the question of indictment. And by the way, I think, Bill bars completely disingenuous and saying that it would have been perfectly fine for Muller to say the president was a criminal. I just can't indict him if that's the way Barfield than perhaps. He should let these other district of New York know that they can say individual one, the president United States should be charged when he leaves office. But in terms of the impeachment process, it's not mandated by the constitution, we can avail ourselves of this, when the president demonstrates acts that are high crimes or misdemeanors. It is certainly true. I think that much of his conduct qualifies for that. But at the same time we have to recognize the reality that one party, the Republican party has turned himself into a cult. Of the president's personality and is not likely to act to consistent with its constitutional obligations. And we have to figure out in that context is this, the right thing for the country, and I'm just not convinced not yet. That's the case. What might help there is hearing from Robert Muller before the congress, where things stand with getting his testimony. Well, I was disappointed to see during his statement, the other day as such a profound reluctance to testify. Now I understand that. But I think he has one last service to perform it's not enough merely to speak for ten minutes and say, I'm not going to answer questions for the congress and the American people. There are great many things that are not in the report, we want to find out what happened to those counterintelligence findings that were sent back to headquarters, what other things did you learn during the investigation, then ought to concern us in terms of whether the president is vulnerable to influence from Russia. Does the president? Still, did you find the president still intends to build a Trump Tower in Moscow? Is that why that in financial inducement why the president can't criticize Putin or take adequate steps to protect our elections? There are any number of questions that we have every right. The American people have every need to answer have answered here. So I hope that, Bob Muller understand as painful as it may be as much as it Mesa. Abject him to further abuse, by the White House. He has a final duty here to perform like any other witness. And it's my hope that he will do. So and it's my hope that he will do so voluntarily. And if he doesn't subpoena, well, it will be my recommendation. Yes. But I hope that is not the case that will be a decision really that we'll have to make collectively. And with our leadership, whenever there's use of compulsion, because it may lead to litigation, but I would hope none of that is necessary. That's not how this process for Bob Muller should, and these dedicated public servant. And I hope that he'll come and testify voluntarily. Meantime, the attorney general's made it pretty clear that he's going to continue this investigation of the investigation here he was earlier this week. Sometimes people can convince themselves that what they're doing is in the higher interest. The better good. They don't realize what they're doing is really NFL to the democratic system. We have he hasn't reached a final Jesuit. He's made it pretty clear. They suspicious something when very wrong at the start of this investigation. We'll ironically, of course that statement here for Bill bars a perfect description of his own conduct. He's willing to cavalierly throw out terms like spying and pretend he doesn't know just how George of that term is he is a smart, man, and understands exactly how incendiary what his allegation is. And it's designed to be that's, that's why he is. I think falling into such legitimate criticism for acting as effectively a henchman of the president. You don't talk cavalierly about intelligence agencies to the FBI spying on presidential campaigns and given how much he misled the country about Muller's zone. Report and findings. We can sadly expect that given this power to declassify information. Now he will do so in a selective way, designed to mislead the country in the president service, and their baby no opportunity for rebuttal this time. There will be no further Muller report that will set a straight this selective declassification that he may put into effect and the fact that he will say he doesn't want to speculate on that what went on early in the investigation until he knows. But he's willing to speculate that it was spying tells you all you need to know about how disingenuous he's being with the country championship shift, thanks for your time this morning. Thank you, George. Let's hear now from a top Republican in the House Judiciary committee. The ranking Republican on the house oversight committee. Jim Jordan from Ohio. Thank you, congressman joining us this morning. You just heard chairman shift. They're very suspicious of the attorney general attorney general is going to get to the bottom of this. He said four six weeks ago in front of the Senate finance committee. George four things I thought were very important. I said, there was a failure of leadership at the upper echelon of the F, B I. That is definitely true Komi fired McKay fired under investigation, light three times under oath chief counsel, Jim Baker demoted, then, then left, the FBI currently under investigation, by the Justice department, Lisa page, demoted and left the FBI council, and of course, deputy head account or intelligence, Peter Struck demoted and then fired. So there was definitely a fair of leadership at the upper echelon of the FBI, then he said, three other things that everyone should pay attention to said spying did occur. He said second that there's a basis for his concern about the spine that took place. And then maybe most important, he used to terms that should scare all your viewers. He used the term unauthorized surveillance and political surveillance, and he's gonna find out if all that actually happened, the evidence seemed to suggest that it did. Well, we don't know that yet, but we will find out from his review. What, what they find me. We've also heard from Robert Muller. He laid out four incidents in the obstruction of Justice. A section of the report that met all three criteria for obstruction of Justice obstructive act connection to an investigation corrupt intent. Does that concern you look, Bob Muller had twenty two months thirty million dollars? Nineteen lawyers forty FBI agents, five hundred witnesses twenty eight hundred subpoenas if he could have established obstruction. He would have done it. He couldn't do it. He that wasn't his finding regardless of what the, the office of let's council tournament at the department, just what they can do with the sitting president or not, if he could have established obstruction of Justice. He would have done it. He didn't do it. Bill bar said that, that there wasn't obstruction of Justice deputy attorney general rod Rosenstein said the same darn thing. Well, that's not what rubber Muller said, don't he laid out the evidence? Or are you gonna are you concerned enough to take a look at the evidence? No, I've read I read the report, I'm looking at the evidence, but what I want to look at this is what Bill bar wants to look at this one. John Durham is now charged with finding I wanna look how this whole thing star. Did I wanna look why they put someone next to George Papadopoulos someone in pretending to be somebody else this as rhetoric individual to find out what was going I wanna I wanna learn about that. I wanna learn about why they didn't tell the FIS court, this is something I want to ask. Bob Muller you ever comes and testifies, did you actually explore the dossier? They took the dossier to the secret court didn't tell the court, the Clinton campaign paid for the document didn't tell the court, the guy who wrote it. Christopher Steele had told the FBI he was desperate to stop Trump. So I wanna I wanna find out about that. And I know Bill bar wants to as well. And that's why he's doing the investigation. He's doing. They did say that. There was indication of political motive behind the funding does, but you just said you wanted to hear from rob Ramona. So you believe he should testify. I mean that's up to Jerry Nadler, I know this, I got questions for him. I think the one question most Americans wanna know when did you first learn there was no obstruction or excuse me? No collusion. The, the central charge of Bob with his central task was to find if there was any collusion between the. Trump can't change since he didn't look at collusion. That's not what he said, when, when he spoke in his report, it says very clearly he didn't examine that question what he did say that he could not establish a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia. So when did you know there was no conspiracy, no coordination, Oklahoma, what you want? It's those been entertaining for for the last two years. So when did you know there was no conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia? We knew when we deposed Jim Komi, we deposed, Jim call me. He said all weapon till the day. He was fired may nine twenty 2017. He told us they had no evidence of any type of conspiracy collusion of coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia and that was after ten months of the FBI investigating that was after that was after putting ads return next to George Papadopoulos, that was after using the dossier to spy on the Trump campaign via Carter page. So after ten months, they couldn't establish collusion. How long did it take Bob Muller? And if you learned this early on why did you wait almost two years before you told the country that there was no conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia to influence the election after all? That was your central focus, your central task of this entire special counsel investigation. So that's a question. I think the whole country has for Bob Muller. He didn't he didn't bring an indictment of Roger stone until the end of the process. You don't know that he didn't that he'd reached early. But, but I do know what Jim Komi told us and he said, after ten months of the FBI looking into this, they had no evidence of any type of coordination conspiracy, or collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia to impact the twenty sixteen election, so after ten months, he didn't know how long did it take Bob Muller with nineteen witness nine thousand nine lawyers. Most of them were Democrats who were out to get the president. How long did it take him to figure that out? I think that's a question. Most members and Franklin most people in this country would have for Bob Muller so becomes that's something that's going to get asked. We will see if he testifies congressman, thanks for your time this morning. You bet Democrats can no more. Keep a promise to take us back to the two thousands of the nineteen nineties, then conservatives can keep it promise to take us back to the nineteen fifties. Let's invest in hope in these places. We don't need a crime Bill. We need hope Bill, some say, if we'll just calmed down there were publicans will come to their senses, what our country is in a time of crisis. The time for small ideas is over. Democrats say convince yesterday in California, Democrats taking their first shots at the front runner, Joe Biden their vailed shots. Perhaps, let's talk about it on our roundtable joined by our chief political analyst, Matthew Dowd. Racial Baid congressional reporter for the Washington Post Lonnie Chen, policy director for the Romney two thousand twelve campaign now, fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution and Jen Psaki, democratic strategists, who's communications director for President Obama and matters. Interesting to watch the footage yesterday from the democratic convention out there in California, does appear that we're heading into new phase of this democratic race. Yeah. And I think everybody should keep in mind that every time we show an audience in one place, it doesn't necessarily represent the broad audience in some to California Democratic party activists are much different than somebody New Hampshire when you've heard, Michael Bennett, Copeland, the Twitter, democrat, and I still that we don't understand fully. What were they really want to? They want a new progressive. Do they wanna stab McGrath? I think that's still unknown. I think we are in a new era and a new time mainly because we're about to start at debates. And I think those debates are really what's going to decelerate from sort of the top four five from everybody else. And I think the first ones that this month, then July and then the ones that are on ABC ABC in September. I think that's the time when somebody that's not in the top tier right now can break through and come through in this or lose. Warren can separate herself from Bernie Sanders and how Joe Biden does. I think the debates will determine really more fundamentally anything else where we go in the meantime, a fundamental question Jen for Joe Biden. Of course you worked with when you were in the White House is posed by Dan, balls in the Washington Post this morning, can't he'd be the candidate of change, which usually works for Democrats. It's more challenging for him. No doubt. I think you know, he was criticized for not going to California. He made a decision to go. Hi o and that's a strategic call. But I think for Joe Biden, I've watched a lot of his speeches. He's appealing to people people like him. But a lot of it feels like the kind of speeches that John Kerry gave in two thousand four and I think he's going to need to update. His message. He's going to need to give more four looking message. I think they're thinking about that, internally which is good. But right now he's they're factoring in nothing changing with the rest of the field. And as Matt said think the debates seeing some of these candidates rise and have their own moment. Some of these candidates that have been doing a lot of town halls or very fresh with the kind of questions that will come up like a peep Degi or even a bit or work who's been a little off the radar. They have good moments in the debates. And I think Joe Biden has to be prepared for that. One of the debates is already breaking Rachel. Baidu covered on Capitol Hill, this debate over impeachment. We saw Nancy Pelosi kind of get drowned drowned out there, but within her caucus, she still has a lot of support. That's right. And pressure is building on her. There's no doubt about it after Robert Muller came out, and basically said verbally, what he had written, which was that he didn't feel. He could make a decision on obstruction and basically, kicked to congress. People saw that as a referral and more, and more Democrats are coming out, but Posey's the boss and Pelosi doesn't wanna go there. She is still worried that the Senate. Adequate him. And there's all evidence showing that they would and you know, there's sort of a split screen right now. You're seeing actually in these swing districts, there's a lot of attention being paid to California and you know what happened yesterday with people saying impeach impeach impeach. But, you know, I was out in some of these Trump districts that are held by Democrats that make Pelosi's majority this week. Nobody was talking about mobile, nobody was bringing up in peach mint. And that is exactly why Pelosi doesn't want to go there. She's worried. It will blow back and that is why she calls it a gift to Donald Trump. Is it really a gift as he really wanna be impeached? Well, I think it's a gift because it feeds into the kind of energy that the president on the campaign trail when he's out there doing vents, the more, he's able to feed on that energy from Democrats say, yes, they want to impeach me. Yes, they only want to come after me. I think that does help his cause I think that is, frankly, really in his wheelhouse, in terms of how he appeals to his electorate more broadly, speaking though, I think that the challenge for Democrats is presenting an alternate vision. Right that really is what this campaign needs to be. About and the more they're talking about impeachment. The more they're talking about Trump and Muller the less opportunity. I think they have to present that, that's a fair point. But Matt how do they balance this out? I mean for a lot of Democrats re read the whole report. They look at those instances of instruction, Justice say you can't send the message that, that president is above the law. How do they balance at the politics that could be negative of impeachment versus their responsibilities? As members of congress will, I, I think that both sides of the aisle, I think that should be confronting this, we'd have a tendency to ask the Democrats, what are you going to do on impeachment? What are you going to impeach on, and we let the Republicans up look like you're not doing anything? And you saw congressman Jordan was very comfortable saying he's not concerned about other as opposed to his, his one of his members just Mahsud basically said, we ought to start running this, and I think that's a question for the Republican side of the aisle is are you unwilling to hold the Republicans accountable in any of this? I think the Democrats have I mean, if you listen to the Democrats on the campaign trail, they talked very little about impeachment, and they talk a lot about a lot of issues guns. Which is obviously in the news today healthcare, and a lot of number of other issues. I think there is a way to talk about this, which is basically the president should be held accountable impeachment is one option impeachment is one option. But there are many other options, hold the president accountable, and we as a congress are going to both legislate as legislation that we've tried to do over the course of the last three months, and investigate, and I think that's the way to talk about this just say, impeachment is one option. But the president needs to be held, and is it inevitable is speaker Pelosi as more events unfold in coming months. Perhaps the testimony of rum, rubber mulligan, have no choice but to at least open proceedings. Well, I think the door is still open and the perception that Pelosi is closed the door. I think is wrong. And same with many moderate Democrats out there, there is certainly a building a building support for impeachment. But I think Pelosi also I mean she has gotten to where she is because she has very astute political instincts, and she knows how to get rid of opponents, her calculation is this is not the way to do it. And if that doesn't change I don't think her position. Is going to change and she'll still have members with her. One of the questions we'll be will. She be able to get Robert Muller to testify spent a lot of time talking to members about that this week. Yeah, they're in a pickle because everybody thought after the report came out that Miller would be the one bright spot. They knew they would be going to war with the White House. They knew the White House was going to try to block testimony from aids. That had talked to him documents. But everybody thought more would come in and you know, he's made it clear. He doesn't want to, and there's a reluctance you can see I hear it when I talked to my sources that about subpoenaed him. I mean he's basically saying that they might have to right. I mean because he's not willing to appear in public, right? But they don't want him to look like he did something wrong. There's a concern that they could look over aggressive. There's a concern that they could bog down their investigations by getting caught in his back and forth and some people frankly, privately want to kind of move on. And so this is this is an issue, though. Because Americans overwhelmingly think three quarters of Americans lays pulling wanna see Muller testify. They wanna hear from him. And when he speaks. Has an impact we saw that last week. And so, you know, it's an issue for them. Meantime, William Borys really filling that vacuum. Do you think that Robert Muller at some level misjudged his old friend and colleague William barn, and it was almost a prized by the links of our would go to in the way he characterized them on the report, perhaps, perhaps, I mean, I think it's, it's always difficult. Because now the attorney general's and maybe in a different position than when he and Muller, I developed that relationship. But look, I think the question on Muller is, do we actually think he's going to say anything else of substance? I mean he's already come out and said, look the report speaks for itself, maybe if they haven't been close session, he might say a few other things. But he's aware of the fact that he's restricted from feeling what might be a currency operative case, if there's grand jury information, he's probably not allowed to reveal that either. So what do we really expect? Bob Muller is going to tell us tell members of congress. That's really actionable in moving the ball forward on make a difference. It does though, because a lot of Americans have not read the report, and, you know, and that is having him. Up there out of wit at the witness and talking about Don, Mcgann getting a call from the president and saying, you know, you've got to get rid of Miller. I mean that people watch this difference, you know, the Democrats are saying, there's a difference between reading the book and watching the blockbuster film. And I think we saw that last week. Well, that's what I think ultimately Bob mother's. Message was listening. You have everything you need. Just read the report. Right. His message was I got the thing down. I put it all together congress to your job read the report read the report read the report. And I think you're right. I think the vast majority of Americans haven't heard them were, I would bet the vast majority of people in Washington DC, sitting in power in the halls of congress have not read fundamentally read the report. I think Bob molars. Right. Is you have what you need? Now decide I would say this is a clear easy. Call for Democrats. I think I was very surprised by how muted they were when Muller said he wasn't going to testify they need to push on it. They need to subpoena him if needed it's about repeating what's in the report because people aren't paying attention, but there are some clear questions that can be acid. He can give or no answers to. He can give a little bit more context. There's more that needs to be said. And I think for him, we owe him a great deal of thanks, but his duty as public service, as Adam Schiff said is not done, and we can accept it. You can't say, you're not letting the president of the United States off the hook and then drop them. I can go on vacation, he owes us more this also relates to impeachment as well, because, you know, Democrats say they need to build the case to the public is not on board with impeachment right now, but in order to do that, if they want to do that they've got to have people testifying. They have to have people in the witness chair, and they don't they haven't had anywhere. Anytime. Anytime you found with the Democrats George tomorrow morning. The thing I'd be talking about his gun reform after what happened in within Virginia Beach. I would let's say good. We can give this a break for twenty four hours about Bob Muller, but we've now had another tragedy. We've passed a Bill in the house of representatives. It may not do everything it will do something. It's time to act Republicans on this, meantime, the president is talking about tariffs and Mexico to relaunch his campaign is well in a couple of weeks and Lonnie. I wanna talk to you about that. He's got clear sailing now acceptably on the Republican side. John casick this week so he's not going to challenge them there. He HOGAN governor of Maryland said, he's not going to challenge him the economy so far still a strength for the president. Is he putting it at risk with these calls for tariffs on China in Mexico? I think this is the big challenge for the president. Is that is he is? He trading off some short term potential gains for really long long-term trouble in the economy. If you think about the tariffs, there's an argument in the short run, he gets Mexico to table and immigration. It certainly seems like president Lopez over doors saying, we're willing to make some concessions on. Immigration. But in the long run does that mean he doesn't get the US MCA the revise NAFTA trade deal, which really would be important for the economy doesn't mean with China, for example? He wants that short term deal at the expense of the longer term relationship with China. I think that's really the big x factor for this president in this coming election is what's going to happen to the economy and how much this is going to end up being self inflicted. I think the president has an opportunity here to focus on some of these economic themes, but by mixing, for example, immigration with trade. Now, I really think he's putting that jeopardy hitting some of his own voters, farmers across the midwest. Also, the stock market is not the economy, but since he's been talking about these tariffs over the last month about five six percent drop. That's right. And I think the politics of the economy is to build on what you were saying, we just alluded to, I mean, the, the imports are not just avocados right there. Auto auto parts and trucks and manufacturing parts and states like Michigan and parts of the midwest. As you said, there par-, their places in the country that will be deeply impacted. Could be deeply impacted by these tariffs. It also won't address the root cause issues, so maybe in the short term Mexico may come to the table. I don't know I'll be surprised but at the same time he's still threatening to cut off funding to Honduras, and a lot of these countries where people are coming over, because they're facing such terrible condition. So this is a short term gain in that regard, even as well. I think his instincts on the trade deals back in the campaign, we're actually right on, which is the trade deals over the last twenty years, have not necessarily been invented working class, people, whatever those trade deals were, and there was a lot of certainly don't feel the and especially in the industrial midwest where he put together prison where it's they felt suffered under these trade deals that help big business, but did nothing not necessarily help working class, but I agree with Lonnie. There's doesn't seem to be a real strategy here. A long term strategy of how do we put together deals, and if we should use tariffs in how do we revise these to build on that point, the president just hours before the terrorists had actually signaled to congress? He wanted them to try to work on the revised NAFTA. Yeah. Bye. Partisan, both Republicans and Democrats are very confused by these news. I think the one strategy we could see from this as that again, reinforcing, that twenty twenty Trump is all about immigration and following through on a campaign promise to do something at the border. He has got rid of whole bunch of leaders at HSS. He has used an emergency declaration to build the wall. He has threatened to cut off aid to these countries where the migrants are coming from nothing is working. And so now he's trying to shift the blame to Mexico to say it's their fault. But really what needed to happen. Was he needed to do a bipartisan deal with congress, and he walked away from the table on immigration when it came to a bipartisan deal a lot several times over the past few years seems like it's not gonna happen anytime soon. All we have time for today. Thank you very much before we go. We on our fellow Americans who servants amplifies. In the Monday may one servicemember died overseas supporting operations against. And that is all for us today. 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