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"james okeefe" Discussed on The Peter Attia Drive

The Peter Attia Drive

08:41 min | 4 months ago

"james okeefe" Discussed on The Peter Attia Drive

"I. Mean. Sometimes I get excited about the state of natural knowledge and how it continues to evolve and I. Can't wait to see five years from now what we know on this question because I was a bit surprised by the combined EPA trial I really expected that to be a favorable response especially in light of what we saw in the four Graham. EPA VIS EPA trial. So again, we just have to see where this thing goes but but I agree with. Trial you're talking about. That's right. There was halted early. Yeah. So it might be that four grams of EPA in concentrated form is the way to go in a super high risk person for cardiovascular disease. But a combination of EPA DHA through food. Oily fish as you said, might be what's conferring the real benefit. That's how we got it in nature. I think the broader question always comes to is there harm of higher doses of EPA in Dha and I I feel very confident now that answer that question is no provided, you're getting your product through a clean source, the answer's No, and so we have zero affiliation with any companies that produce any of these products. and. We had a third party, do a validation of Carlson's, which is the one that we have preferred for our patients. And we found it to be pure without contaminant and it contained what it said it contained. So I'm always happy to pay that little bit of a premium for that product to at least get over the counter version. That's that's good. So I don't have to fork over for a prescription version. I'm the chief medical officer for a company called Cardio Tabs We. Don't get paid anything from them but that's kind of my goal with them to be also sourced from. Norway, they know more about purifying, concentrating, detoxifying Omega three than anybody in the world stars unconcerned usually over to Scandinavia there and visit with lesion that just to say what they're lacing greatest stuff is but yeah, this is a food and I think it's super important not only for against the health but Peter the latest data. On mental health is is really important. Again, this is a fundamental component of so membranes that most Americans upwards of ninety percent of Americans aren't getting enough will make it three in their diet and it poorly, it's depression adhd suicide cognition dementia, all those things, I? mean. This is like super easy way to markedly improve mental health my wife Charles Constantly Harping on that you know there's all this violence and suicide and depression and The basic thing do is take nice high dose of Omega three, every day it's harmless it's cheap and it has profound benefits lots of times you can keep people. Off of antidepressant medications. Like welds ORBS curcumin with. Mega three is as good as or better than any other depressant out there in, and they also help to improve brain function and again docket wall prescribed. These are very, very effective ways to improve mood cognition. In probably reduced dimension, we have paper coming out central copy of the journal Alzheimer's Disease Show in the highly durable curcumin In. Trial the study was a chin- elephant in addition for preventing dementia. Anti, NFL phone as you know, is this master hormone inflammation in some really fascinating which we outlined in this systematic review that the biologics that reduced. Alpha like Catan out is the best it's decoy receptor for the NFL. and. So it reduces inflammation and there's multiple big studies of millions of people in databases. observational data buffeted reduces risk of Alzheimer's Disease Sixteen seventy percent. Now, those are expensive biologics sometimes caused serious side effects of. Curcumin is active turmeric use a highly absorbed one. You get some pretty impressive reductions in NFL, Alpha that have been correlated in small round amounts trials with reduction, and there's good animal models on It's the most exciting things to me right now I, really think this is easily the most exciting effort for maintaining ignition ending Alzheimer's disease and it's still needs to be flushed out. But there are some very good biological plausibility behind it and some fascinated animal data, human data, and even some small small randomized trials. Working with Richard Isaacs who I've interviewed for this podcast and I'll be interviewing again shortly. We've sort of put together. Our our in house can play playlist for basically once we identify patients that we deem high risk for Alzheimer's disease, which we define his age over sixty, a relative that has a history of Alzheimer's disease or at least one copy of April. We've four gene or some other gene such as an anti NF gene or Tom Forty or one of these other genes that that tends to be associated with Alzheimer's disease plus or minus eight before. We just have sort of a full court press approach and one of the things on that list is indeed Thera- cumin for exactly the reasons you stated I became pretty impressed with those date about two years ago and So I was excited when you sent over that manuscript last week. You notice that Richard is extend was a CO author on that paper Asthma's Gary Small from Ucla in my opinion, those guys to top brain scientists in the country for things like preserving preserving competition. So yeah, I mean I think that the people who are best informed on that would agree with you on that approach you I guess closing thought James, is. I'm impressed by the breadth of your sort of curiosity and obsession you know about. Interventional Cardiology is a niche sport, right? It's a you know you're a cath jockey at that point and Sort of left that behind in the world has become your oyster. So to speak and you're now interested in the role that thera cumin can play in inhibiting tumor necrosis factor in the development of dementia. I mean you kind of look back and reflect on the journey of your career pas there before asking another question. I just followed my heart and what I was most interested in and. Highlights joke I mean I I've been doing the same thing right now I wasn't getting paid him their love what I do. And I think of life as you know like this gift of we have our time here on earth and it's about like helping others and making a positive difference on just so grateful that we live. Now where we have all these tools like you say, it's just so exciting all this emerging data for people who are trying to pay attention. kind of like that line from. Dickens. It was the best of times. It was the worst of times. This law of people out there that off suffered from all sorts of terrible things alive is lifestyle related and it's not their fault I mean, it's like this whole world is set up to minimize. And Maximize Calorie consumption. But there's also people who are paying close attention and in have all his power tools in use information, help each other and to live not longer but more sort of act of fulfilling and enjoyable lots to me. It's just a blast. My last question then James would be if there's somebody listening to this who wants to go into medicine. And feels or is in medicine for that matter and and kind of feels the same conviction you do, which is the real answer is in preventing disease, and whether that's their passion is in cancer or cardiovascular disease or neurodegenerative disease diabetes whatever the case might be. You know you said at the outset nobody's reimbursing really for prevention. You've got to kind of create your own path. What would your advice be to somebody who wants to become a preventative oncologist a preventative cardiologists a preventative neurologist how would you advise them to craft their way? That's difficult question but I can just tell you that it doesn't have to be all or nothing. You know even like the Cath- junkies like this you know some McKnight organs are Catholic you're very located Butler and and you know not yourself you have to do it all the time, but you need to be able to be well versed enough to strongly endorsed and. In a big group of sixty five cardiologists with the won't another fifty nurse practitioners or physician's assistants. So I can kind of carve out that live.

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"james okeefe" Discussed on The Peter Attia Drive

The Peter Attia Drive

05:36 min | 4 months ago

"james okeefe" Discussed on The Peter Attia Drive

"Are The Instinctively would understand that, but then I start thinking. Well, you know particularly for us sort of like emotionally challenged gender males like. Make friends were and we have our family but lots of times we don by playing. And when you think about these the sports. then. We're done playing. were, the ones that conferred best longevity and they're also the ones that sort of promote more social activity. So I think I think we need to change your mind around about what best exercise is not if you're training for Germany. Yeah. A couple of notches but also make sure that you have some play in your life. We played as kids. We need to be playing as adults even more because it's so important for social bonding stress relief for at the depressant the. A just think it's so important. Yeah. I. Think my reading of that was basically look there are a lot of variables that can't be. Teased out of any multi variant analysis or correction but a couple of things stuck out to me one was I think you're right I think. What tennis and Golf Badminton? Soccer offered that running cycling and swimming didn't to the same extent on average not globally. But on average is you got to combine two medicines instead of one. And you know better than me that to drugs are often much better than one to control blood pressure. So when you got to combine exercise with social interaction, it does better than just exercise. That's the first thing I take away from that. The second thing I take away from it frankly is that challenge of doing any sort of large scale study where you don't have a close ability to understand the intervention and I'm very fortunate that I have gym at home. So I don't work out in gyms anymore. But from the days when I used to work out in gyms I, realize that if we were going to treat everybody in that Jim as one cohort of everybody who goes to. The quote health. Club. We would glean very little because the difference between what people did in gym is so enormous that the average of that borders on meaningless just as the average of what any group of individuals does is effectively meaningless because there is no ability to control for it. So those are the two things that I took from that. Now I do want to go back to ten of something you said 'cause I look I, think we're going to be a lot of people who listen to this who are going to be exercising more than what you put forth. I think you said earlier something to the effect of look fifteen miles. A week of running is probably adequate if you're. Running is something you enjoy doing you probably don't need to be running more than fifteen miles a week. I'll tell you this right. Now, my wife runs a hell of a lot more than fifty miles per week. So here's my argument to her to run less. It's an economic terms called opportunity. Cost. It's like look Joe I know you wanNA run fifty miles a week and I know if you had all the time in the world, you'd run fifty miles a week but it comes at the cost of you doing not a single other form of exercise. No strength training know rowing no this. No that. So really the argument is and this was the argument for me and cycling as well which was look. One you just you're tired of spending all this time training when you you have kids that are getting older and older, and you have more kids and it's there's just a cost to being away from that. But but it really down to how can you be more balanced athlete for life So maybe not a better athlete in a very specific sport because. Cycling's a very specific sport. Running's a very specific sport. If you want to be very good at those things by definition, you're not going to be very good at much else. Life is a pretty complicated sport and it requires strength stability, aerobic fitness, and ANAEROBIC. Fitness. Flexibility I mean all of these things so you have to be able to train all of those things. Unless you're retired I'm not sure how you'd want to run more than fifteen miles a week if you have to be able to put effort into those other things. So for me, that is the prescriptive takeaway here is how do you? Have a portfolio approach to exercise. What is your prescriptive approach to patients I just sort of laid out mine. Yeah, you're right on as usual. If you're spending a lot of times that running a lot of patients who run or cycle like a lot. I mean thirty, forty, fifty miles a week of running in you know like an hour a day of cycling. It's like you're getting your your aerobic fitness really high but but it's not great for your skeleton your you know your balance or tell people just after thirty or forty, five minutes of aerobic exercise. If you WANNA do more circle back home and do some yoga to some weights these things that kind of dome necessarily tax your heart the same way to the other high-intensity sports do or you know sexual activity if nothing else is exercise that again is a totally different realm that is worth investing time and energy into and also. Is Relationship Building in so Yeah, I think that it's a matter of being more balanced, and also if you if you try to figure out the area under the curve for maximizing your heartbeat you WanNa do stuff that keeps your resting pulse low but some.

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"james okeefe" Discussed on The Peter Attia Drive

The Peter Attia Drive

06:32 min | 4 months ago

"james okeefe" Discussed on The Peter Attia Drive

"And you also. Start over taxing the heartless and I'm not saying it's not a big deal. Especially when you're young, you know youth is yellow when we're younger. So resilient, you can get away with doing this stuff when you're fifteen twenty or twenty, five, thirty, thirty, five, and maybe even forty or forty five, and after forty five is starts more likely taking a toll you start seeing you know proponents arise and and. An N. T. PRO MVP will rise up to really really strong efforts like like marathon tell folks what those markers mean because anybody who's been to an er with chest pain will know what a tr- opponent is or has taken their grandmother into the are with heart failure. But for most people, they might not know what those are and why seeing elevation in those post exercise should cause us to pause. Yes tr- opponent is one of the proteins that is unique to the heart. And yet leaks out of the heart and gets into the bloodstream when there's been some heart damage. Usually associated with like you say heart attacks were a artery closes off in the Muslim starved for oxygen dots downstream in that unless those good collaterals. so that really raises our eyebrows and gets us into actual. We see an elevated opponent but a lot of people I mean upwards of half or more people after marathon will elevate your opponent. It's just the best at that high level twenty, five, thirty liters minute for two and a half three, four hours. It starts overstretching muscles in the Atrium and the right ventricle particularly and into the bloodstream, and again, you know like tell people you run a marathon on, you know run one or two but toe Macon. Like, like climbing Mount Not WanNa do that do it once but don't do it like three times a year you know you could do it brag about it this you know you gotta move onto healthier forms of exercise because these really especially after age forty or forty five, really protracted exercise will cause this small little micro dench like overstretching tearing because the high levels of catecholamines and high levels of a free radicals that are now. Offered, and so if you're designing like I, like to talk about training for longevity is very different than training for peak exercise in a car buff like you can understand like if you're going to build a formula one car to go fast powerful, the most impressive performance machine ever it's GonNa look inform a certain way and is good at that but it's not going to five hundred thousand months. Don't it's built for power and speed and performance now. Like a car standing with five, hundred, thousand miles on might be. In, a Honda car that you're driving never more than seventy miles an hour and maintaining it really well, and so the point is that you have to really focus on what your goals are in our goals as an athlete is different than our goals for longevity and health and well-being. You. Know I love that analogy and I I appreciate you using it for me because you know how much I do love cars I actually think i. Made that comment to a patient this week using a Formula One. Car is the reference because as you pointed out James these are cars that are built for each race effectively, they'll go through three engines in a season. So everything about that is meant to extract the absolute maximum performance I. Again, I want to reiterate what you said. If. Your goal is to win the IRONMAN triathlon. Nothing, we're saying here should pertain to you. We're not gonNA tell you how to train for that. That is a remarkable feat I mean when I think about what it would take to go seven hours in that heat. To do what's involved in iron man? I. Can't fathom that there's never a time in my life when I've even approached the level of raw performance that the winner of iron man is GonNa take or frankly even somebody who comes in under ten hours swimming the Catalina Channel in the hurt. In intended F- hours that is also a pretty remarkable. That's way beyond what the normal pressings anywhere capable of two. Yeah. Perhaps, I've never had to do all three at once. So when I was growing up I was a good runner good is a maybe a stretch. I was a decent long long long distance runner when I was swimming channels I could swim for long distances and then when I time try like a time-trial but there's something about the ironman athletes that can do all of those things simultaneously that's always impressed me but my point is You're bringing up the important distinction here, which is at some point in individual has to decide which master they're serving. Are they serving the performance master or are they serving the longevity master? And I think everybody goes through a difficult transition here and I see this struggle with many of my patients especially the former exceptional athletes or frankly not even people who were themselves exceptional athletes but people who have also become. Wonder, how to describe it but they've found a new sense of purpose through some of their athletic endeavors and they've done their first marathon and they thought Oh my God. This is really a great thing to do because there is a purpose there is a gold there was a training plan. There was a camaraderie that came through that I got to do the thing and now I wanna do it again and again and again and again, and they made a lot of friends doing it too and it's a it's a it's a bonding experience and Good about that, but I'll just interject my transitions because I. Played basketball competitively, Varsity in high school and college. For. The first two years of college ran then because I felt that the exercise was so important the I made this mental note when a stop playing RC basketball that are exercise pretty much every day because I knew it made me happy and healthy. So. Then I kinda got into running than triathlons short short distance sprint triathlons but I hammered trained really hard and especially during my thirties up until my mid forties and I was pretty good. You know when like sprint distances you know in local races and stuff like that. But it was just the fun of the competition in France and all that. But then then I started noticing when I'd go out and also in the back of my mind being a cardiologist sort of thinking being proud and the deal that I'm capable of doing this, you know in my in middle age. But then I started noticing like when I go on really hard rods and do those hard intervals after a sort of. Sense..

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"james okeefe" Discussed on The Peter Attia Drive

The Peter Attia Drive

06:34 min | 4 months ago

"james okeefe" Discussed on The Peter Attia Drive

"Goes down to thirty forty, fifty percent. But. Then for the loudest uptick, the people doing the most extreme exercise, you start to lose some benefit in his probably upwards of a third of the benefit. So people argue well, I mean Nelson's scaring people off of exercise I. Mean It's a story about encouragement to to not exercise knowing that if you overdo it, you could make yourself worse and. To be clear, it's only like two point, five percents, of Americans, or overdoing exercise versus at least fifty who are undoing exercise. But still it's a bit like just because fifty to seventy percent of Americans are overweight or obese, and it's like saying, well, we don't really WanNa talk about the dangerous anorexia because then you know Kinda. was discouraged people from not eating as much minutes the mirror image of this but the point is you can overdo exercise and you know might be interesting. As just an example I know that you swam the Catalina channel like fifteen years ago. And those pretty amazing feat. So when you're sitting here, talking to me and your heart is beating probably forty five beats a minute. And pumping out about five minute of blood. When you're doing high intensity intervals or when you're swimming across the channel, you I mean at Fast Rate Than You did that twenty miles twelve half hours to actually I think cycling is a is an even more amazing place to show that because actually for the channel. I would probably a there's something about swimming where you're horizontally. Thank your heart rate. For very short distances can obviously climb like crazy but I find on the bike, you would get the highest heart rate. So so for me, the maximum area under the curve rate was a one hour time trial. So. So like a forty kilometer time trial would be absolutely maximum heart rate. Thousand, it'd be going I have a slow heart rate all round. So my Max might my my heart rate would be about one, seventy two for for that type of race our well taking us in our probably yes. Exactly. It would take about fifty, four, fifty, six minutes fifty, five minutes maybe not a perfect example because it's not only. High heart rate, but it's exercising under a load. It's like rowing. This is your your and big muscles. Your blood pressure is also probably to. Your systolic pressure, your pulmonary pressure is probably eighty sixty, seventy eight. Let's give people some metrics of normal. So obviously, doctors listening to this will know what we're talking about. Let's take a step back. So let's say my blood pressure is pretty normal blood pressure I'm probably about a one fifteen over seventy five is my normal blood pressure. Can you tell people what that means by the way? What do those numbers mean when you have but blood pressure checked? This is just The pressure that is exerted to pump the five liters of blood around your around your circuit. Every mint, it takes that pressure to that's the normal pressure that just can't get that blood swerving around there, and then it comes back at only like two or three or four up from the legs, and that's that's more difficult physics problem right? Because you're overcoming gravity a low precious, which is why it's good not to be obese it's good to be exercising those muscles milk. The blood veins who? Also up to the heart and those two numbers of course, referred to his systolic diastolic. Like is when the heart is squeezing. So during the squeeze of the left Ventricle, the pressure at the tip of the basically in the order is one hundred and fifteen millimeters of mercury. Now, anybody ever mucked around with a pressure transducer will actually be surprised at how much pressure that is. That's a non trivial amount of pressure. If you've had the luxury of operating on people, you know what? One, hundred, fifteen, even a normal hundred and fifteen millimeters of mercury that'll skirt across the room crust. But the seventy five refers to the relaxation phase of the heart. It says even when the heart is relaxed and in the what we call diastolic phase receiving its blood supply, they're still quite a bit of pressure in their seventy five millimeters mercury in my case because you're vessels are nice elastic. So you know. Receives. The bullets blood everything expands and then on the belt shots than those vessels the rebound a little bit in keep the take. Those sort of pulse Tom Bowl is slow internet to moral Amazon, less ball flow so that elastic the vessels are super ordered. Now you talked about my pulmonary pressures, what are my pulmonary pressures sitting here right now and I'll I'll confess to you. I have no pulmonary disease though I've never had a Swan Ganz Catheter placed in me. So what would you assume my pulmonary pressures are? Allow you know like twenty, twenty, five or fifteen something like that. Nice and low. Okay. So basically, that's the same exercise but now you're in my pulmonary arteries instead of my systemic arteries. Let's just assert to a heart rate's forty, five beats per minute. And you said, my cardiac output is five liters per minute. So that means every minute. My heart sends five liters of blood around my body. So I love that you brought up cardiac output because I think that's the variable most people are sort of failing to appreciate how much that has to improve so. We can like me would try to do his best one hour time trial or when the best cyclist in the world or the best runner in the world is you know doing their most exerted thing what's the variability of the range in cardiac output that we can see from best in the world to SORTA weekend warrior to average condition person Just, by way of context, if you look down at your hand and make a fist, that's about how big your heart is this is an amazing up. So five quarts minute think if you are squeezing a bulb five cordesman five liters per minute five liters per minute. Never stops and you're a good heart should have. About three or four billion beats in it. Without ever stopping it's about a billion beets every thirty years..

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"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

The Portal

16:28 min | 1 year ago

"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

"This is directly connected to the premise. That were destroying people. I don't think we're destroying David Wright and I had maybe we're maybe we're freeing. I had the wall come after me. Okay k they like personal destruction. Don't get them wrong they're into. I agree on those on all right so then. I don't mean to grapple with that but what. I'm struggling with his. I don't view it as a distraction and I'm and I'm ready and willing to live in a world in the sense about a hypocrite. But we're if someone's record me bar bragging bragging openly because this is you're you're also getting paid from this. I mean I don't mean to say that that's why will actually make a profound comment about this. I started in my and I'm passion angry. I'm just passionate because freesheet. I'm not this. I'm just passionate. I started this on my parents bedroom floor with a laptop people thought I was frick nuts. And and and and what you making this argument. 'cause I can make it better for you. Well be the fact that I said that you were getting paid for. It doesn't mean that this is your road to riches you could get more money doing something else. Let me make the point very clearly. Am I right that you're basically willing to die for what you do might come across as you know I don't? Are you always risk death for what you do? It's a very common. Are you willing to risk personal destruction for what you do you willing to risk jail for what you do? Probably yeah that you're willing to risk ruin. Yeah Okay my my favorite guy. Albert Einstein said that the the public intellectual has to be willing to risk ruined financial ruin but he generally jailed talking during the McCarthy era okay. I think it's very admirable. I don't see enough of this in my world and I I struggle with. How much am I willing to risk to run the show? How much of my willing to risk to do an episode Jeffrey Epstein? When I don't know what the Hell is on the other end of that story right. There's no amount of money that you can pay me to do. It's not why I do it right. I sat on that. I sat on that episode for a long time but I just found. It was leaking out of me. I couldn't stop talking about it because I'm worried that I'm part of a country that looks the other way when somebody who has intelligence Maybe a freelancer. Who KNOWS You know is Is is trafficking twelve year old girls. My my country and my reporters won't stand up and ask the Goddamn questions Right and so I. I don't even know if I made a sane choice. I just know that I couldn't sit on it any longer. That said this is your game. It's not my game And therefore I don't have the same need to be able to say well I'm willing to go into a bar okay. You've accepted the game accepted. That's the price of what you do. But what you're don't understand is the rest of us are not like that because we haven't made that bargain. We both think you're protecting US and hunting us at the same time. If you were trying to hunt power you could have less collateral damage to the individual. I won't say it again because I think I've said it enough right. My feeling. Is You displayed enough depth of character on the phone when we were talking as you struggle with these issues and you evidence a higher level of inner conflict of dialectic of concern your stories would benefit so much more from showing that person rather than the person who knows exactly what the laws of a one-sided recording are in Montana versus Iowa. I I hear it and I wrestle with that. Every time we release a story probably should have started by talking about the process by which we wrestle with it both from a company like my my colleagues and me personally at a in my bed. Every night These are these are inherently situational tests. But going back to our rules for radicals book which We can talk about or not but hell with Saul Linski. I know I've people think it's controversial. I keep citing Alinsky but the he says the name of immorality is to do nothing and this is what he says than Indian idea of morality is to do nothing and I could never justify inaction and I tried Eric delivered normal life. My personal story is is pretty crazy. I I I tried to law school. I tried going to business school and I'd sneak out to get into the video lab. You're right I have a unique role in society which may be makes me more willing to subject myself to the the tactics that I do but that somebody has to do it. the insiders. It's point zero. Zero zero zero. One percent of people are probably willing to strap a camera to themselves violated nondisclosure agreement for the public's right now in the country hundred million that's a lot of people. There are roles that we have and we. I don't know maybe we just want to move on to the next point and you know who witold. Pilecki IS. Adv remind me. He was a Polish. I guess Nobility and he had the idea during World War Two that he should visit Auschwitz so he dressed up as if he were Jewish so that they would take him into Auschwitz and he did reconnaissance any organized resistance and then he got himself stuck out so he could tell the world now it was deceptive Was it justified? Twelve thousand million percent. It's not about deception right. It's not about not wanting to bring these institutions when they are doing wrong to their knees and is not about the issue that I do not see. I completely agree with you. That journalists have taken this privileged for themselves as an indulgence of working for the Times that they have the right to behave in this fashion and those outside of the Club do not The issue has to do with whether or not you are actually being effective in not wrestling in a more productive way in front of your critics given that you were going to continue just if I take things where people are simply going to feed you information. Because they can't trust anyone else and my claim is is that that is what places this moral burden on you. You familiar with Stanley. Mcchrystal and Michael Hastings in two thousand ten. You know he burned McChrystal in Rolling Stone magazine. It's customary for reporters to go you know speaking going to bars and the military brass or saying things could've off the cuff. Yup and E. Are you familiar with this story? Goes McChrystal resigned or was fired by Obama or whatever the case may be. Do you believe in that circumstance that Michael Hastings Is this a is this consistent with what we do are different because it didn't involve the case of video and Orphans. Not just about video. It's about the fact that you are one of the only people standing outside of the structure. Who's got the organization and the stones to go up against this honestly in some sense. I'm doing a different version of this. I'm not as powerful. I'm not as prominent yet. But the portal is in part in another place for things to come to the surface that need to come to the surface where there is no other break. And I guarantee you. They're going to try to fit me with the same shit. Suit that you with. Oh we can't trust that that appeared on the portal. Did you see this one tweet from Eric Thousand Eleven Blah Blah Blah. This taken out of context that Russell conjugated it's at Cetera. My point is you're not filing a flight plan and I don't WanNa meet you in the skies. Doing your barnstorming tricks too many costumes to little pixel attention. Too Much Hidden Camera Shit. Too many people being felt being made to feel that they are vulnerable. When you're targeting an institution like a tech platform right and your collateral damage is an individual. Who WENT MAY BE MISGUIDED? May Be sanctimonious may be hypocritical. This is the William. Tell problem from the original tweet that I tried to mention you. Keep aiming to low. Now you can come back at me and say Eric what the Hell of you done. I could say you know what I'm so worried about hitting the kid that I'm not. I'm not coming close to the apple so I'm willing to be the other failed part of this enterprise but my point is maybe WanNa take your aim a little bit up and maybe I need to be a little bit. More pointed bringing myrow a little bit closer to the fruit. I appreciate your point. I think I understand it. Now thank you for. Thank you for putting up with me. Heart conversations is unique conversation. Because I'm so used to dealing with disingenuous and bad faith criticisms but I don't think that you're doing just I'm just you're just going deeper into an issue that most people at least on the surface don't have an issue with and I will say that on on on being very vulnerable here but I'm I consider myself pretty transparent person. I can say to my staff speaking on behalf of our reporters from minute. Who OPERATE ANONYMOUSLY. Really Wrestle with this and in some cases we even have a curriculum workshop. I can't get into all the things that we do. When we train our people but we we actually have entire half day where we look man is it's do you do you empathize with the person that you're you're and it's almost like we accept it? We take our medicine. The I'm talking on behalf of the reporters and go willing to balance the public's right to know and it's circumstances will determine what they're saying and it and we do. We do struggle within the way that I'm wired in my brain is I have internal dialogues with myself. Yes that's what I'm trying to get. People don't know that I know about me. No kidding in fact I would say even my staff doesn't even but that's what I gambled on giving what it is that you do because you do things that I know. You don't have to believe me but I hope he'll take your word for it leaks out and what you do James but I mean I mean to say is very important point i. James O'Keefe have internal dialogue in my brain like an angel on one holder devil. And right did I do this. I'm wired to do this. I think I have internal governor that like a like an old car that that that That stops the How faster going. I I have that governor. And I surround myself with people. Joe Haldeman one of our producers. He's never voted for Republican his life. He's never voted for a Republican ever. He's a he's an old news man and I tried to create a management team that we really do grapple with these things but but what it comes down to is the people believe so much and I and I mean I'm coming here from very. I'm trying to be as genuine as I possibly. Can they believe so much in the value of the information and the public's right to know it that kind of have to take that medicine and deal with the harm done to the individual and that specific circumstance and it's something that we we do despite the harm not because of it We don't we don't want harm We farther you get away from things. That look like entrapment. Selective editing invasion of privacy. Needless destruction of personal reputation etc etc etc. All the stuff you can imagine the greater you make the intake of your messages because more of US understand that we are not in your crosshairs. You See in part. I don't really. I don't WanNa be your worst nightmare. I WanNa be your best nightmare. I WanNa be the person who has the conversation with you. That gives you the criticism that you never get because most of the criticism is it this very simplistic level right. I have to grant twelve things before we even get to the conversation that we're supposed to be having okay. Well we got a chance to do that and I promise you that. That's what you were going to get my right that there was no misrepresentation as to what this interaction was even very fair. And I think you've been very fair and very forthcoming and I really appreciate that. What I want to say is I would look forward to being able to have this conversation with you again when and you have my number feel free to call me up the key thing that I'm trying to focus on his to the extent that what you do is a good thing that must be done and to the extent that there is almost no one else willing to do this. Consider that you are not on the efficient frontier and that upping the ethics may up the effectiveness. I understand what you said about. You cannot afford a denominator of negativity zero hours. You know badness or whatever you WANNA call Right my claim is partially what is harming the efficacy of your of your project. Is that people feel. They are in your crosshairs. It's very technical argument. And that you're getting too much pleasure out of the voyeuristic spectacle and I don't think that's actually what's motivating you. I really I mean a gamble and say maybe that makes it medic and people WANNA watch somebody be destroyed but the information is so much more important that ABC might be holding back information on Jeff Epstein that the major tech platforms have their finger on the scale and maybe trying to tilt elections. I don't even remember the names of these people. I don't care and you know to be honest. It's like in a corrupt world if I go to Nigeria. I guarantee you can find everybody taking and giving bribes right right and so in this moment of universal corruption you really WanNa point. Two individuals being sanctimonious or sub ethical or disguising speech. We all do it so my my claim is is you have a unique opportunity which is stop talking about the trade off and start working on getting to the point where the tradeoff kicks in point taken out. Now consider that James would be a pleasure to have you come back and further the conversation. We look forward to what you guys do next. Let me know if I can be constructive force in your future and I'm really glad whatever the cost that We chose to sit down. I think this was a conversation that I was dying to have with you. And you have behaved terrifically in that chair in..

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"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

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12:03 min | 1 year ago

"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

"Cluttered the issue and the issue is we know we have a bad person. For example Hitler gave There was a protest. In the Rosen. Stresa of women who wanted their half Jewish men back from the death camps And somehow these women were so bad asked that they actually caused a problem for the Nazis and the Nazis relented and released these men. Okay do I wanNA say good for the Nazis for doing this this this thing in the middle of a horrible You know psychotic situation. I don't WanNa say a damn thing that's positive. I wanted to be so simple so clean that is just Nazi equals bad right right so this is kind of the problem that we have is that we don't want to acknowledge anything. Good about somebody we deem to be bad but the but the way. Our videos work is that they slip the disc insofar as they force a reaction and that end justifies. That particular me may be. The idea is wanted to be a little bit less certain about the numerator and denominator of what you're doing because it adds up to effectiveness and I know that in the next two years. Somebody is going to send you a piece of video that I am going to say. Oh my God. That is incredible. I needed to know that. That is the most important thing. And it's going to have project Veritas stamped on it And I'm going to show that to people and you know what they're gonNA say. I'll just tell you because I move it. I move in academic left-of-centre circles. You can't trust anything from Project Veritas and I'm GonNa say wait a minute. Are you claiming that there's a cut in this? Are you? Just let me nothing. Listening are are you claiming that this never happened. Are you claiming this and they are not going to listen to a word? All they're going to say is I've got my fingers in my ears. My eyes are closed them going so I don't have to hear a single thing James O'Keefe ever says that's their strategy to keep you from having the impact that some of your the best of your work deserves and it will work for a while but then one day we'll catch some things and we'll catch some more things and for some more reactions and little by little over time people will go you know but that T- There's a guy in New Jersey. David Perry that guy was caught on tape telling a person he thought was a child. Abuser teacher just lie and put it back on the child the Democratic State Senate of New Jersey. Where I'm from this is two years ago. Held hearings about it. They they they the governor of New Jersey who Phil Murphy. The big big friend of the Teacher's Union was forced to condemn it. So what by getting the reactions from institutions by forcing other insiders to come forward? It's just after a while that we just keep going. We just keep doing it. And I I hear you partially effective and I can't get the I'm not trying to focus on my self righteousness or my heroism. I'm trying to do is tell tell you that in order to do this job the reporter has to have a sense of singing near tunnel vision. Nothing can get in our way if I let anything. Stop me from that vision. Which is a very by the way I it's going to happen. We're going to recruit more insiders. They're going to record more things inside these institutions and and there's going to be double the output every year and after a while we did one of these stories in Delaware were a teacher. A Teacher's Union official was caught on tape and the Union of Duke. You CAN'T TRUST PROJECT. Veritas there right wing extreme criminals and the membership most of whom were probably Democrats but not as political as as us. We're like but he was on tape. Protecting Child Abuser. Why are we trying to cover that up? There was a slip in the disk. And I've got the documents I could show you the source material where the members were taught chattering on the internal message boards and Eric. The president of the Delaware Union said do not click on this youtube. Do not give O'Keefe one more one more view and all of the numbers but but what's why Hedo Keep what's wrong with what he did here so my point is content. Is King James? You're not getting it. I am well. I feel like what you're doing is you're telling me that you are effective and I'm not disputing that. Why why bother telling me because we're having an impact is because if you want to evaluate the ethics in the abstract it's impossible for me to justify cannot. It's impossible him not telling you to be an angel. I'm really not it's I cannot I will not. It is ethically impossible for me to justify using a disguise in the in the ways we do. Because it's like trying to give. I haven't even said about whether you're entitled to do some of that stuff. I maybe maybe I need to make myself clear. Maybe maybe so but I believe what I. It's going to be very difficult for me to make an argument. A logical argument defending methods. That taken in the abstract are indefensible on their own. It's like trying to one ethicist. Says I tried to invent fire proof fireproof coal or dry water? I can't I'm not asking to be a perfect angel. I'm telling you something different. Which just doesn't land okay. I don't think you're on the efficient frontier. I think that there are things you could do. That could minimize the individual harm and maximize the anti institutional effectiveness of your operation by individual harm right in other words. The problem that you have is most of the people that you're broadcasting to are like me poor schmucks who don't have this stuff completely sorted out. They partially sympathize and partially cannot stand. The people you're catching on video And by doing more to up the ethics of your game. You would have more effectiveness and I'm not saying you have no effectiveness. I'm not saying you've done no good. I'm not saying you don't have with us of steel. I'M NOT SAYING THAT. I haven't thrilled to things that you've released. I'm not backing one. Second away from my decision to invite you here and I think I made absolutely the right decision. I I have things I could try to. Gotcha you with. I think you'd be fine with it because I think you're a pugilist and you accept the game in a way that I do. Not In the key issue is. I'm standing by what I'm doing. We want your roic behavior and we want you to get some of the flies in your -pointment out. Maybe not all of them. Okay all right. I think I think I understand and going to see you struggling with the fact that somebody is not going to have a job when you're done with them or somebody who's going to be humiliated somebody. Maybe we'll take their own life at some point. So why put if picked with sorry when you could have pixelated their face and gone after the employer like twitter late the face. If I use these strategies you can figure out with look as I said. I'm not making a case that I would not make against dateline. Nbc. You don't know what you you don't know the unknowns which is that we do in fact redact omit and otherwise Zack for his face when you had him on your program else yes until yes. And he made the decision to go pie. Understand that but my point was that there was a period of time where you were protecting your source. Yes and not protecting the target Eh Jeneid Google were examined and what I'm trying to say is I wanna see you wrestle with the ethics more than justify the ethics because to be honest I had a phone call with you and you were wrestling with the ethics and it was inspiring. I think I think I russell with them more than you see. That's what I'm saying and at night I getting little naked at the at the booth here I. I'd I torture myself. That's what I'm trying to fucking say and most people don't see that in. The single single-minded driven you don't wrestle with the idea whether you're going to protect your sources but you wrestle with the this is the thing that by do you have to take my word for it but at night when I believe that when I'm in my bed. I'm willing to intern internal dialogue with myself for example in the upcoming story which I'm not going to say on the air the upcoming story. We have this person that was. We had to protect for reasons. I can't even say and our team had two days of conversations about do we blow the person's face do we all your name. We did all that And it and it comes down to a Cliche Which we the PAM's Ackman said in the nineteen seventies which have to balance the harm to the person with the with the weightiness of what is being exposed and you only have to do that on the efficient frontier. Do you understand the point. If you're in an interior point you are not at the point where you have to balance those two things yet. Your first goal is to get to the efficient frontier. And that's an issue of skill. Okay help me understand. More helped me understand. Bridges concept me efficient frontier emerge unharmed versus public. Important right. Imagine for example that you hadn't pixellated somebody's face but you could pixelated and you could have the same effect now. Just for the moment I see the point is you don't have to balance the harm to the individual. In fact you can even get a boost in both. It could be that people say. Oh my God. He's trying not to destroy the person he's really concerned about the platforms. That have a bias. That can't be discussed in public which I'm really disturbed about and I also you know I hate. I really hate the Donald Trump as president. I really do But this is a democracy and we have the we I okay my show go ahead. We have a right to elect donald trump. If that's what we're what we're GONNA do. We don't have a group of people that gets the right to stop Donald Trump. You either signed up for Democracy project or you're not. I'm signed up for the democracy project. So if the electorate elects donald trump I have to accept the Donald Trump is the president. I don't have to like it right. But that's part of what being an American is in God. Dammit if my guy at some point wins you're gonNA have to suffer through him to sue tough shit right. That's that's the bargain that we sign up for his American Okay you don't have an unelected group of techies get to keep their finger on the scale and say well for the good of the world. We have the right to control the election because all the information passes through our servers K. I get that what if you're in a situation where you can protect the individual and by protecting the individual display a kind of humanity that causes more people rather than fewer to sign on because the content rather than the destruction of the person Is What really animates. Are you telling me that? I'm being de boosted down ranked and. They claim that they don't shadow ban because they've got different words for it. Are you telling me that Google has an internal thing called the good sensor and they won't talk to us about? Is there an Esoteric Esoteric game? Are you telling me that? A bunch of people who politics I don't know is determining exactly what the contents of my mind are that we can't even discuss this. I'm animated by Your Content. And what your instead showing me is the pornography of personal destruction listing interesting the pornography. I've heard say it was me the pornography of Personal Nog Rafi of. I think I think I've I've I've heard this some. I've heard this argument before somewhere someplace by someone so I've actually thought about this and I think we're we`re. We're we disagree on the premises that I'm quote destroying unquote. Someone by letting them talk and what. I'm what I'm what I'm trying to reconcile here is that I. We believe so strongly that that journalism is corrupt. Because you don't see the intonation the movement of their eyes. I've already seeded the. You've already see this to me but to me..

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"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

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14:14 min | 1 year ago

"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

"But I come from a part of the left that you probably would get along with much better. You know questioned by people who stood up for the working poor people who are very focused on the abuses of power Wherever they are And I look at you and I say you're politics your own crusade like I. I see the issue with justice. I have a justice issue as well and it it both brings out the best in me And the worst And when I asked you about like you know searching your soul and you start talking about all of the things that make you more heroic. I'm not hearing the part that I'm looking for. Which is what opens you up to people like my family. My friends my colleagues. Which is you're doing great stuff sometimes. Sometimes you doing terrible stuff. I don't WanNa get into what I think is great and what I think is terrible but it's enough to say that some of it is great. All right I want to be able to bring my people what you do when you're doing great stuff and I don't WanNA spend three hours talking about the ethics of James O'Keefe. It's going to be hard Eric because no matter what we do. I think it's a you're a rare individual because all of the time it's extensively about the about the kids but in reality but then your case it is not what you were saying. And you're saying that the methods make an e you an easy target I i. It's IT'S A. It's a conundrum because you can't get the effects you can't get the the no no no in minden interior point. You're not on the efficient frontier. Jerry's just not there is no other means of ACQU- disagree if you if you were targeting twitter. Let's say Okay and you went through an you said. Look we're we have a new Program Project Veritas? We are going to try to get this information. But we're GONNA try to do is we are going to try to limit the collateral damage to individuals because we don't really want to destroy people. What we want to do is to make sure that it is understood that the world has an accurate idea of the platform on which it communicates. Okay right and then went through great pains and you said. Look. Here's our first line. Our first line is we're going to try to spare people and then we're going to provide greater and greater resolution as you come to ignore our work because the content layer is different than the than the really sexy humiliation. Later the VOYEURISM. You're you're you're talk. I can't stand the voyeurism. I maybe it's been it's been characterized the twentieth century's is voyeurism like the television. I say something that I really appreciate. You came up with that word. I wanted to use it and I thought that's not GonNa be fair to him and so it feels to me like that's in good faith and I think viewers have a right to know. The public has a right to know what? David Wright said in that bar with his face. May I don't know the answer to that question because I think the answer is yes? Okay and I struggle with it and I understand your argument and I worry okay okay and I also worry that for all of us hypocrites in the audience. I don't WanNA see your face in a bar. I don't want you in a moustache. I don't want you to address. I don't want you with a camera in your purse. I don't think privacy's completely dead I don't all the business in your life. You may have gotten to that point and I know that all of the people who own tech companies WanNa tell me. The privacy is dead because they WANNA monetize my privacy and to be honest. I don't know what they're doing in their bedrooms and so it's the asymmetry that I don't wish to live under and I don't wish to put a camera on you to keep you from putting a camera on me now. You may have accepted those terms. But I am rejecting the game and I'm rejecting the GAME IN THE NEW YORK. Times plays it with New York Times published. My wedding website Last Sunday and I can tell you in a personal moment of vulnerability here. That was hard for me and a lot of people a lot of people. In fact I would say the majority reaction was they docked O'Keefe's wedding and I remember I was in a grocery store because I think this cuts to your point. I was in a ghost or thinking. Man That sucks that hurts but I kind of simultaneous up. That's my cross to bear. That's you've accepted the game. I've accepted I have not I I hear you and most of us you see. Your appeal is limited by virtue of the fact that most of us are sinners. Who Don't know where James O'Keefe's editing don't know where James O'Keefe's disguises don't know where James O'Keefe's practices begin and end whether the in General Covenant Between Two people that is assumed which is often violated often. Yeah not not actually but that existed before the advent of technology lead me. I understand that I understand your point that better to actually have an accurate representation of stuff but the thing is is that I also think that in part do you remember like this program to catch a Predator. Of course I I remember it okay. So that was really really interesting. Was that the right way to go about that problem. It was a it was a little different than what we do. It was it was a little. It was a little that was mainstream. Yes put that out Chris. Hanson An NBC and the NBC. Dateline Chris Hansen would set up these people with wind and and intre entrap them. I not legally speaking. Because they're not the government but In the case of right and robot particularly as this acid tote gets a little less problematic I would say to ethicists were just literally letting people and I m innocent strong with right. We didn't even quote him like even the were. But we're trying to where I'm trying to do is to say what dateline did if it is in fact dateline dateline. Nbc Daily Germs. Did was to set up something much more extreme in some sense than what you do and do you use the entertainment value of catching and destroying someone. Who would on chill you? Have you have something an activity? Which is completely evil. Yes in my book and I don't. I'm not going to back away from the word. Evil Probably committed by people who are mentally and psychologically damaged in fact our friend. David Echelman even gives the case of guy who had no pedophilia. Pedophilia DISA- desires until he developed a brain tumor and then suddenly had them then. The brain tumor was excised. They went away than the. Pedophilia came back and they scan the brain again. There was a tumor. So it's possible to destroy life based on a weird physiology thing. It's possible that these people are just sick. Evil horrible people. I don't know what it is. I'll tell you what I do now. I know that the activity that these people were engaged in was evil and I know that the techniques were entertaining because they were so destructive and vindictive so a lot of ethicists in the nineteen nineties tooth and the two thousand said that it was akin to using a bazooka to kill a fly. It was voyeuristic at Project Veritas. We didn't I'd I'd I should've been sorry. I don't even know that I may be the case that that was so terrifying that it actually stops some stuff. I don't know I have very complex view on this but I strongly believe that there are some like we're talking about now we're talking about. It's a situational ethics and listened to the beauty and bane of the ethical thing is that it's inherently situational. You can't evaluate the means used to obtain. The Info used to obtain the information in the abstract. You have to evaluate on a case by case basis. This is what all of the reporters have said in the twentieth century when it comes to this and when it comes to what what what we're talking about now we're talking about Disney corporations children's company. We're talking about Google. You know with whatever trillion dollar market CAP. We're talking about facebook. We're talking about These these these these Leviathans the and and we feel. I don't know I don't know how else to say. It and I know I'm being redundant but we feel the public has such a right and I also don't think you can aim your your rock with enough force and I don't think you're stone will be true. I think that you're you're not understanding the point. Which is you're paying for things that you could do. Better by limit in the effectiveness of the project. If you could get your politics the hell out of what you're doing. I did on this point. I'm going to vehemently disagree with you. Please we focus. We don't moralize we don't we don't we don't editorialize the content the that the the medium is so pure. It's the purest type of reporting. We don't add to it. We don't edit it out of context contrary to reports. We don't do any of that stuff and what other journalists do is is try to contextualized and add moralism to it investigate. Our stuff is is hard fact. It's it's hard fact and people. Is that what? You're right wing. Here's the deal. If the New York Times wants to say on the front page Jim root and Britain wants to make the argument that we need to cover this guy unfairly and they used the paper of record and the bully pulpit to do that then. If I just take my camera and aimed in any direction I vote. I'm going to record things that are contrary to what the media says yes and the media has A. I don't even want to call it a left of center but Lucky Democratic Party bias. I believe that it does you may not. I can say that it does. It's not up to you. I'm not mad asking you to say I just don't my politics tone. Where'd you go after a corn because I logged onto youtube and I saw a video tape of of of will three reasons number one a girl message me on facebook instead love to do something on? Acorn so I logged onto youtube. Two thousand nine I typed into the search bar acorn because they didn't know a lot about them and I saw a video where they were squatting foreclosed homes and looked at my said. Well that's against the law so while that might be morally justified in some circumstance. I think that someone needs to expose or test. These acorn workers propensity or willing this to break the law. And then Hannah Giles. Young Woman said. Why don't you poses at? Why don't I pose a prostitute and I said well that's interesting there's a prostitute probably should be some pimps. So I was. I was testing an affirming. Why is it that this organization which may get billions of dollars in federal money is allowed to break laws and do people have a right to know that information? And what was different about what we did is. We just walked in off the street and had a conversation. It wasn't some elaborate deception. We go after the sacred cows. Eric we go after the organizations that the media is unwilling or unable to invest. I believe that there's a huge problem that you have an ostensibly and I hate the term left of center media Sort OF CENTER LEFT oriented media that refuses to go after Senator Left Counter Narrative Stories. And that would be a counter narrative story so in other words. I think I can tell the tale which is each. There is no news outfit. That is so good that it can run counter narrative stories. And there's no news. Effort that so inept that it can't run a story fairly that comes right down the center of its narrative and then the key question is what about the stories that are thirty percent oblique to the to the narrative who knows what's right and so this is like the main problem so given that the major organs you know tend to be aligned with the sort of center left perspective those stories? Don't get cut that. They live in the blind spot and so. I understand why you do it. And in part this is why target the same group of people because my feeling is that they are destroying the confidence now. What really divides us is that you and I have radically different ideas about what to do about this problem. And I'm concerned that I'm coming across and I'm saying here are my biases Right you even saying you're right wing if I say you're right wing versus right of center versus conservative versus outright like. They're all sorts of ways to conjugate. Thin Sinclair was a socialist as Seymour. Hersh the guy who broke the. My Lai massacre was an antiwar activists. All of the people that have ever done anything worth doing as far as I'm ski about manufacturing no no. That's not my point. My point is is that anybody who's ever found facts that were the fiercest of indignation fused with the hardest effects. Were total ideologues and more power to them. As far as I'm concerned as long as what they were reporting was actually factual I that is not your job to investigate all facts and you have a right to choose what you want to focus on and right now that's probably the fourth estate is is the beat. I understand it but you. I'm missing the point. Well or I'm or or I mean I've say most of the discussions really good but there is a point at which we the ethics of what we do and I don't know if I can. I don't know if I'm qualified academically to go deeper. Strike me as very self righteous and insufficiently reflective with respect to some of the most persistent critiques and it is not the case. Like I don't think you've ever been given your do for the good. You do like trump. When he does good we tell him that he's a jerk. Right in. General is a society so the idea. Is that if you wanted a model when you decide that somebody is themselves bad. There's a belief that you should never say anything positive about that person right because to do that..

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"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

The Portal

11:31 min | 1 year ago

"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

"It's the lower brain probably. Okay probably right. So when the New York Times Jim Rootin- Berg I believe was his name said in two thousand sixteen something to the effect we have to cover trump unfavourably or unfairly. He basically said this on the front page the executive editor Dean Beck. Hey who's definitely no fan of mine? Executor d McKay said good good for Jim. Grinberg to say that the paper record has established on the front page of the New York Times basically by Jim Rottenburg who we must cover the president unfairly and when we live in a world hell. I'm trying to address your fundamental argument when the premise is that are s that our institutions that inform our citizenry by the way I believe. Government is downstream from media. I I agree with Sultan eats in that. The press has more power than all three branches of the government. And I think you probably agree with that too. If you don't. We should talk about that. I wish I saw it as distinct from the government. Yeah okay but unlike the government no we don't elect our media officials in there aren't any committees and there's no there's no way of holding them accountable so when you live in a world where that is the case and the paper of record says we are going to cover this person unfairly and everyone's okay with that. I mean I don't know if it's just war theory or whatever the ethical implications as again. There's an efficacy issue. Which is a Casey for example when you were given a tape that needs to Air And imagine that you had two ways of airing you had a way of airing it. With Project Veritas stamped on it or without project Veritas stamped. I'd have to use project Veritas. I feel strongly because you believe in your own project. No because in order to have the authority to make the decisions tinted. Let me let me finish his point because I this is my Martin Luther moment here I stand. I can do no other in order to have the authority to not sell the lawsuits such that I can draw another insider out to come to me with. I know where you're going I I have to I have to. I have to be able to draw a call. It The the network effects. If you will Whip Sawing effects of drawing out other people they they they have to know where to go to you. Project Veritas. Because no one else. Everyone else settled lawsuits. Everyone else will quit. They're the barriers to entry. Don't even know if this is correct Spanish. But like Cuevas del Toro you know like you're establishing at some level that your organization will stand behind the people who contribute to you. You will protect them that you have the competency that is how you see. Project Veritas. Let me see for the purposes of this argument that that is true. Okay hypothetically imagine a second white label that had established the same track record. The did not cut white labeled that established the same track in other words. People had come to them. They'd never cracked Broken they never settled on defamation. Or whatever right I would submit to you that the barest entry are too high for that. Because I'm saying what I'm trying to get at is. Do you acknowledge that you have not evaded? Shitsu very effectively. Maybe you think you've done as good a job as you could do. But I can guarantee you like I. I had a choice when I sat for the Senate when I decided to. Have you sit for this interview? Which is how much did I want to spend on James? O'keefe I thought you important really important me me and my history I've done or do you mean by virtue of the fact in in the crazy left of center mainstream game. They play in association. Game right so yes so you sit in this chair. And I don't say anything that's positive about you. You normalize the that's what they're gonNA say. Whatever the hell they're going to say they're idiots. Yeah right if we if we think about the idiots who sit in. The golden thrones Inside of the Commentariat. We will never get anything done. You're worth spending in terms of their idiotic calculus of adjacency on graphs Okay so I've decided to lose credibility I've decided to lose some viewers. I've decided to make a very easy target on myself. Just by sitting with you because they're evil and that's wrong. You deserve a hearing. You've done a lot of stuff much of it good and I'm still pissed off and angry and I don't know that we've exactly connected okay. We haven't even gotten to whether or not they're selective editing on some videos all the usual things. I tend not to spend time where other people do spend time. I figure you can have that conversation with somebody else. It's a waste of my time so I want to. I want you to have the conversation here that you're not gonna be able to have anywhere else. Thank you okay. Thank you so what I'm trying to get at. Is I want to see you more disturbed if you think about this as a fraction. It's important truths per unit deception or Deci Unit sub ethical deception. Okay and your point is my fraction is positive and I want you one to search your soul. Could you have made the denominator smaller without making zero? I'M NOT? I don't think I don't WanNa hold you. The stints to the standards of Jesus. Jesus was an investigative report. Okay the ASAM tote towards that didn't it's like over time I think it'll get cleaner and cleaner and cleaner. That may be but the point is is that you had to spend a lot early on learning your game. I think that and I also I want it. I want an effing. Come to Jesus moment. If you're going to continue to be the only place people can. Let's take your insider from before you and that person says look I couldn't go anywhere else. I believe that in some sense that's true and I believe that you have to take on a new responsibility. You're right you're right actually one of my fourteen ethical principles which actually don't have memorized but I generally know them. The fourteenth is with great power comes great responsibility very cliche but I tell my team. Every day I got to. My folks are out there in the green room and they're and they're winking at me like I tell my folks every day that we have a profound responsibility where I disagree a little bit is that and I'm I'm I am trying to in good faith get to the fundamentals year. We've had a good faith conversation so far. Well absolutely. I'm just trying to address your fundamental argument. And it's an interesting point that you're narrowing your pinning you're down on. It's interesting Eric. Because nobody else even in even the people I are my heroes of the twentieth century all of them were took the SORTA like. Aw shucks like. Are you kidding me? GimMe Gimme an effing break about ethics. The guy's not gonNa tell me the stuff unless I go in there. That's how they say it. They say the only way to get the information is to use this. And they do go for the jugular but they're not bloodthirsty. It's not blood sport. They they they believe so much that government agencies not stepping up all the rationalizations that. I've gone over with you here about why we do it. They and for me in college the Lucky charms it was literally justice complex. And when you're wired the way that hypocrite. What's that? Are you a hypocrite? Im How so? I don't know I say lots of things that aren't true. I L- I sometimes I have a rosy opinion of myself. That probably won't say is you're saying in other words you're saying. I'm a sinner to use the religious. Yes I think so not to be destroyed from my sins constantly. I don't always want to be reminded of the far from Sparta. Although it's a pretty damn good limerick. That is a very astute point. A lot of people have said are wary because if they're in front of the magnifying glass you're gonNA find if you're in a bar saying things and I think it goes back down as it while you're losing people impart impart the idea is I can't see the difference between if you had a more clearly stated ethics if you went to greater lengths to I try. Can we get the reform without causing somebody to lose their job? But can I can. I make one modification about our vision statement. Lis Our vision. Statement has evolved from ten years ago and now we have these brave insiders that That wear the cameras and and in some cases violate their own confidentiality agreements and their tier point. They're heroes for what they do and they're willing to lose their jobs and why because they have some sick fetish with being`martyrs course dot because they are so motivated by the Justice Complex owned by the way when we talk about being hypocrites every of course. I'm a hypocrite I. Everyone does things that make mistakes in the private life. If you put my life brings to hide I do. Of course we have secrets. Yeah and there are boundaries on where I appreciate it what you said before that you had things that could destroy somebody that you wouldn't air because you didn't one hundred percent and we tell another ethics rule of my fourteen rules. Is I tell my staff behave as though their twelve. Jurors always watching you eric. This is a very important distinction between me and us and I would think other newsrooms and in the intelligence community A huge distinction. Ethically that we that I believe in is that you have to behave like their twelve. Jurors always watching you whenever you work. Who in your bedroom? I don't WanNa know 'cause on your bedroom I don't care I think that's a boundary. I would never cross I Brag when drunk in bars. You I don't I do not do that. Drink very rarely I drink. There's nothing wrong with drinking. Okay when I drink. I become disinherited. When I become disinherited. I say things that self aggrandize that I think make me look big in the moment and when there's a contact with a second sorry now my point to you is not to tell you that. I'm the world's worst person in a bar. My point is that a lot of us go drinking in bars. A lot of a say stupid stuff A lot of say contradictory stuff a lot of US puffer selves up. A lot of us come forth with lies with truths all sorts of things and effectively. What you're doing is you're losing those of us who wished to remain sinners and part of this world. Now I see this. In terms of a right of center counterculture for example you are particularly animated by the story of leftists professors extolling the virtues of stall and when he was an incredible mass murderer. I'm with you I come from the left I hear you. It makes me effing crazy likewise I can tell you that I am very very pissed off and angry about all sorts of stuff that goes on on the right now in general I spend my time targeting. The left for very different reasons that you do my feeling is you guys are throwing the game you make us look terrible what are you? You're like from my perspective. You're supporting mass murderers. Now you know you you WanNa talk about the starvation in the Ukrainian when talking about the show trials you WanNa talk about Article Fifty Eight. Who the hell are you to extol the virtues of Joseph Stalin K your perspective may be? That's that lefty crap..

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"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

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12:14 min | 1 year ago

"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

"My staff has to scuttle around the country on airplanes to meet with these people and ask them for money and it pains me to have to spend three quarters of a million dollars little old lady in North Carolina. You Sue me for defamation. I did not the famous. I quoted her accurately. I know the law. And the facts are on my side and the arbitrator or the The person in the middle's get lady twenty five thousand dollars call today and I have to spend three quarters of a million dollars to I understand your prom and you break my fucking heart. You really do because you do stuff. That is unnecessary. That causes harm to the effort to illuminate what it is that you're trying to. I'm I don't have your politics argument. I is it. You're making very interesting argument. I do thing would let me see if I can restate re saying. I do things that hurt my argument. But you like you like the the the The effects of it or you like the truth. I perceive and I could be wrong about this. You're a very unusual person. You're driven by something which is not money. There are easier ways to turn a buck than what you're doing right. You were driven by. I think could be wrong. In part an ideological need to get it certain things that are going unreported anywhere in essence. They're a tiny number of places that can break story like the stories that you're breaking and I want to be able to wholeheartedly say. Did you see that thing that occurred? And when I see project Veritas and I say okay beyond that. I already know that the big boys are playing unfairly with you right so it's not like. I'm saying that everything that they're doing is fair to you. But you do things that are unnecessary. The tarnish what it is that you can bring to the world. You're not on the efficient frontier and this is my irritation and my anger with you. Okay is that you've got cheap stuff in there when you're supposed to be a stat reestablishing investigative journalism like what what's the give me some example. I think that this. I think that you could do a tremendous amount to let people know we've got the fucking goods on you say cheap stuff. Just give me an example recently or and even last Daguin. You've got a camera in a purse or whatever and something feels to me. Like you're on the verge of entrapment or you're making one of those technical argument. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. We we looked it up and we were perfectly within our wedding. That kind of stuff occurs And you're in costume And I'm thinking like okay was the porce the poor SOB Who happens to be employed in this way as you know speaking with bravado? May maybe the idea like the standard reporter techniques of buttering people up. I heed those when that comes from the New York Times. I've been through that mill. Yeah Okay Yeah. I don't like the behavior pattern and my feeling about it. Is that ethics clearer. Ethics are a Peacock's tail in other words if you have if you have the ability and the skill you get to have the ethics if you're this close to the line it's because you haven't gotten your skill together now. I'm trying to do some of what you're trying to do. I released an episode recently Talking about whether or not Laboratory mice are broken for the purposes all sorts of science which may include drug testing And I I I did not go for the jugular. It was very pointed but I invited the person Who's most associated with the story onto the story after them back? I have tried not to speak much in public. Giving them a very long time to figure out how they wanted to respond right right and I. I intend to close the story out but I am struggling with the ethics and my concern is is that I wanNA watch you writhe in pain as you struggle with the ethics of what you do. I the argument that you're unearthing things that really matters. La could like what's that line from the Shawshank redemption. Whatever since I've committed paid for them and then some I've been God. My story is in other deal. I've been on probation for three years. Federal probation supervised charged with crimes. I haven't committed. I've been sued depose dozens of times. I've I've laid my soul bare under oath and depositions where they have all my emails and Chesterton says you know the thing about bathing in hot water is it. It keeps you going these twin problems and you're not getting away with that line just very carefully. Those things make you heroic. They may be incredibly not listening. I'm listening they make you hero. Ick They may be incredibly painful but all of that stuff speaks potentially to courage and nobility to being the righteous man in an unjust world. That's not what I'm talking about. James let me see. If I can address your the fundamental issue here of the curse Cam or the Button Cam the Lapel. Kale or what? It represents what it represented. What whether I ride in in in in consternation I guess the easiest way I can explain it in a very personal way. Is it when I was in college? I went to rutgers. I'm twenty thirty five years old so when I was twenty years old on Saint Patrick's Day which I believe is this. Is it other today or tomorrow? We're around Saint Patrick's Day filming here. I was surrounded by professors telling me how Great Stalin was and I'm like well I'm not really a history buff but that seems odd you know. Should we also talk about the Gulags and again? I wasn't a very show trials. It said I wasn't I wasn't learned about style and I said well that's odd and I read the New York Times every day because I liked to read the New York Times. I said well that's odd. They seem to be using obfuscation in there and I felt compelled to wear a hidden camera and go into my dining hall to try to prove a point and I tried to get lucky. Charms banned on the grounds. They were racist to my Irish heritage. It was a little stunt like it was a little Borat Lake. It remains people's favourite video. I'm getting to a point here and that. What is my show you what I realized in doing this was that I had to hold these people to their own expressed values because they don't. It's really hard to shame. These people in and we can be shamed because you believe in morality you believe in probably some sense of law and there should be equality before the law. You believe in all these principles and the people that I'm dealing with are just irrational. They're just like Stalin's great. You should love him. And I'm like Wan paying money to come to school here to learn about philosophy anytime you how great the Soviet Union is that that's just unjust so when the premise is that these people in Rutgers University the student handbooks that you're not allowed to offend anybody. For any reason I said well that's that would lead maybe cents that-that's irrational. I know so to confront the irrationality to hold them accountable to their own expressed values or as Alinsky would say make them live up to their own principles. I went in there. I was very scared. I was shaking. I was worried doesn't come natural to do these sorts of things and I don the Little Kodak Camera this is before the iphone two thousand five and I put it on the table and put a little cloth over the Red Lens because in two thousand five cameras would blink red when you record video and I began to do to to to pretend to be something I wasn't I said Emami. I am Irish. But I'm not offended by lucky charms and I said as Irishman this serial offends me. Mascot offends my heritage owned by the way it's a violation of your own campus rulebook about offending people and the dean of dining services. Took me seriously and the dean of dining services said they'll be no problem removing lucky charms from the cafeteria what we did is a microcosm even though they're magically delicious Endo- they're magically delicious. I even said the marshmallows were teeth rotting. I said that I'm six foot one Irishman which I am O'Keefe is my last name and I said I this offends my heritage and I tried to keep a straight face was very difficult and even though I was shaking because I was afraid of what I was doing and what we did is offer the Community Rutgers University which is far left an opportunity to go. That's ridiculous we slipped the disk. We we show we show and and and I am and what you're saying is I'm doing the thing that you don't that they did. The during Peterson. You're saying is what what the argument is is that I should feel more Unclean I should no no no help me understand. The argument is The what you're doing is you're you're balancing harm that you have to inflict with good that you have to do and I don't think you're efficient on either one. And in some sense you're screwing up stories for everybody else because they don't have and this is look it's a complicated point and I don't think I wanNA understand okay. I'm trying to my belief is is that the the Zach voorhees story about Google insider and what was actually going on. Google isn't a really important story and any if I took a terrible terrible important story. And I put project Veritas on it right I know that won't have the impact that it would have if we could somehow force it into the world in a different degree with you but I am who I completely disagree with you. I strongly strongly disagree strongly to make sure that we actually do disagree. That we're not having a miscommunication. I'm not sure but the statements you're making Zack. For he says documents Zach had come to me come to us. Some years ago we had to send a reported talked to Janae who was an innovation person for Google. She was of Irish heritage and we filmed her in a in a in a Mexican restaurant in San Francisco Saying that she wanted to prevent the quote trump situation and there was some ambiguity. About what exactly she meant by that did she mean. Stop trump from winning reelection. She means stop Russian interference but Jeonju. I also said on this hidden camera. According Zach did not provide to us. There is filmed by our undercover reporters. She also said that That Google needs to stay big to to to fairly fragmented than you wouldn't be able and you wouldn't be able to to stop trump essentially so this is what this person said that amplified Zack's messages his documents. We interviewed him and I. I feel very strongly that I do. Do you understand. I'm worried that we're not communicating. Get I agree that? There's this really strange problem that you can't go to CNN. The Washington Post. Npr New York Times with a certain class of stories that run counter to their unstated narratives. They won't run them. Yes I'm writer. Yes so let's let we can be in agreement agreement on that. The New York Times is the paper of record. They call themselves. They used to be they call themselves. Who knows what but certainly not all you are. You are a very intelligent man. You pay attention to this stuff. Your audiences is. I'm certain extremely intelligent. Most people on in Los Angeles looking out the streets have no idea what we're talking about and in fact when you go into the airports no hair or JFK. No No. I'm also the guy who goes to the airport and temporarily when I look at that screen and has CNN. Yeah the right. Iran's yet whatever my brain goes into the same stupid trance right as probably even does yours right..

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"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

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14:48 min | 1 year ago

"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

"He he he literally used disguises in infiltrated newspapers to show how the news colored things you had the Chicago Sun. Times ran this Undercover operation where they purchased a bar Chicago. Actually let let's frame. This is this is really important. Yes you and I both have the sense that journalism used to be very different and much closer to the methods that you're using is that I would say even further so then the methods as but yes but but your methods were are closer to an older styles journalists. Yes so I also have this impression. Yes and you've said this okay so fast. Yeah who would I had to ask you on the phone we spoke is can you frame for us? A timeline of what change that relationship between journalists in this kind of aggressive style investigative reporting which you at least partially exhibit in Project Economics Question as well which we which well I'll try to get to but investigative reporters back in the day. There were newspapers and they were typewriter guerrillas as they call call myself a guerilla journalist as videos my medium. But these guys did things like there was a guy named William Gaines who dressed up like a janitor in nineteen mid early seventies. Nineteen seventy two seventy three and got a job at a hospital. He literally employed himself as a janitor and the surgeons would say hey come. Can you assist me with surgery? And without even washing his hands. He was asked to participate in doing surgery on somebody. Oh and also he won the Pulitzer Prize. So the I would I would never do I would never. Can you imagine? James O'Keefe gets a job as a janitor assists in in in fixing someone with the corona virus. I would be. I would be the bacteria on my hands would get inside. Gloria Steinem of Playboy bunny. Gloria Steinem was a playboy bunny But you had these reporters Clark Clark Mall and off at the Iowa newspaper you had. Bob Woodward Lied Deep Throat Jack Anderson in the nineteen seventies and all of these people were hated. I mean hated by the system while they were doing right they were. They were despised where they were attacked by the establishment media and then something changed and we were talking about. The phone was what I think chain whether there was this. Old Line about What are the ten most feared words in corporate America? Equality laws from sixty minutes is here to see you. Yeah yes so Mike. Wallace used to ambush people and board rooms. And and and and. Then something happened in the late Seventies. I trace it to this incident. I wrote this book called American Providence. I researched the nineteen seventies journalism. And what what what happened. What I saw was that in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven. The Chicago Sun Times. Which was the center of all this muckraking newspaper reporting ran this bar for like seven months. They bought a bar under under disguise and it was bartended by newspaper people and they put cameras in the in the in the rafters of this bar. Aptly named the Mirage. Actually call the thing. The Mirage is kind of ironic and they filmed all of the city. Inspectors taking bribes. Bribing each other you know payoffs and asked Pam's Ackman was working at the at the Chicago sometime. Pulitzer Prize winner. They were asked. Why did you have to resort to all this so-called deception? They said because nobody everyone was afraid of Chicago City Hall. None of these people would talk. Not even on background not even off the record so they ran this bar and this is the most consequential in my opinion investigation of the twentieth century. Like fifty people went to jail. The mayor lost reelection. It was just such an consequential impactful things so it gets nominated for the Pulitzer Prize. Nineteen seventy eight and Ben Bradlee. Who's the legendary editor of The Washington? Post Says No. We're not going to give you surprise. Because you're a deception was to elaborate. Your deception was too much and I think the quote was you know when when when cops pose as journalists. We don't like that so we shouldn't poses something that we're not and that was the one of the few inflection points in American history because there was no there was no There was no currency in doing this. It was EXP- it's expensive first of all which I can talk about in the how expensive this stuff is. Then you'd Mike Wallace in the mid eighties. Mike Wallace Sixty minutes said it became about drama. Not Illumination I. I think that both Ben Bradlee and Mike Wallace were were disingenuous. I don't think that was the real reason they stopped doing it. I think that argument which is one we can have today relates more to economics of mass media And and Ben Bradlee probably was a little close to people in the Chicago machine and And Bradley reportedly these are not my sources had contracts with people in government and so forth and so on and it became. This mass media became had a symbiotic relationship with with those in power and using these tactics. He's just too close for comfort. You're you're burning these institutions agencies and things that you need access to to get your information from so that got cut off in the seventies and eighties and finally ABC News in Nineteen ninety-two got sued by a grocery store food lion but they have griot. Shane is called food line grocery again they they got off. They got jobs working in the butcher shop and they recorded it put hidden cameras in their wig. Like you might be able to fit a camera in that in that. Hairdo of yours and hedwig grow at this tiny little thing and they filmed. The meat was rotting and repackage the meat. So this was. This was like bleach or some kind of Leech. The meat was rotting. It was devastating. Expose Food Lion stock tanked. They got sued. Abc Did they lost ed trial. They won on appeal. It cost God knows over a million dollars and ABC's Base brass basically said to hell with this. We're not gonNA spend a million dollars. There's nothing in it for us. So investigative reporting was not profitable it was not profitable. It wouldn't get you the Pulitzer Prizes wouldn't get you the trump. I WANNA do your point even more than you're doing. Your people are going to hear that. It's like Oh. Is that where you're doing reporting to get a Pulitzer Prize? That's not the point. Let me do it doing my belief is that the Pulitzer The Pulitzer Prize to say nothing of Worth Pulitzer Fortune came from Was intended to say this. Is Heroin Behavior? This is admirable behavior and when you took away the prize it was the community saying we no longer want to see this as heroic. Yep and that that message rather than the prize is the chill. And it's one of the reasons well to your point about the growing links between the journalistic community and The institutions they cover those links. Were not absent earlier in fact there were some. I asked you to look at the story of Jean Seeburg. A woman destroyed by the FBI using the Los Angeles Times in Newsweek As their conduits for a smear campaign against one of the leading actresses of Hollywood because they didn't like her politics So there have been very chilling threads between our media and the institutions of power infect the cryptic institutions of power. What I don't understand is given that those things existed before something had to change environmentally for this type of reporting to all but disappear over a period of perhaps twenty years and that's economics a lot of it in my opinion Investigative reporting was a loss leader on a company's balance sheet. So in those days there is kind of a L- newspapers were certainly more profitable than they are now and David Wright on. Abc TAPE PUT IT. Thus he said it change in the digital era when it became even more commercially he says the commercial commercial imperative is incompatible with the news and I get branded some right-wing guy and it's like well. Actually that's a. Chomsky argument from manufacturer. Lots and let's be honest. A lot of my friends on the right. Spend a lot of time quoting Marx. Chomps I mean there's a lot of commonalities there is there is dead and I agree with that statement so the commercial imperative is incompatible. The News said David Wright he was suspended by ABC News for saying it and investigative reporters. Like I'm going to give you my economics of what I do. I'm a charitable organization. I'm a five a one C three organization and let you project. Veritas we You're you're a huge part of prime the chairman and CEO of the company. And I had to be the chairman to have the authority to make decisions like not to settle lawsuits. You know sixty minutes got sued over one hundred fifty times in the nineteen eighties. A hundred I maybe even more than that all of the reporters I mentioned earlier. The nineteen seventies were were. I mean some of them went to jail To protect their sources they were sued for Libel Investigative. Reporters had to deal with all that stuff and to your point and this age. I'm vilified for having to deal with all that stuff back in. The day was considered to be a thing. So you go to jail for your source. One hundred percent and Jill. I've been to jail. We talk about that but not only would not only does the reporter have to be willing to go to jail. They're the reporter has to be willing to appeal it all the way up to the Supreme Court and if the Supreme Court determines that you have to disclose your source. The reporter has to be civil disobedient. Yeah that's what you have to believe in your heart to do this. Most the people in the news business. These days you kimmy. They're just trying to get to retirement. They're just trying to to get across the finish line. Get their pension and be done with his. What makes you such a difficult? Character is is that you have so many of the most admirable features of journalism and. I don't think you get to have the conversation where somebody who really is troubled by what you do also acknowledges the positive in what you do you you to me are a superposition of what is noble about journalism and why. I can't stand journalism. That may be so. I think in light of the recent exposes though Eric there have been a couple of reporters Paul Farhi of the Washington Post. Guinan at the daily Beast. Have actually talked to me. I've never actually endured frankly. This is manifest destiny. I'm sitting with you here. You wouldn't be sitting with me but not for the events of the last six months. But why's that I've been aware of you for a long time? I think because I think because of the the that. I'm them continuing to do this. That that I'm getting and tell me if I'm wrong but I'm getting reactions from these institutions. That the worst. You've been interesting person to me for a long okay. I did not know that So by the way I should just say people assume that you and I are connected somehow through Peter Thiel and completely untroubled. I know just had my first conversation with Peter About you. Ever The New York Times Front Page Story Association between Peter Thiel and the and the substance will be. It's unclear exactly what relationship and then they'll run that and do that whole thing But so the economics of mass me. This is a very important point one of the reporters I researched and Pravda. When I wrote this book Pravda was that bosses have to have said bosses with balls. You have to have an editor or someone that works for you. That has gone as that that has principle and his Unisex because it works for what is it. What is it saves waves? You have to have cuevas and in back in the day there were bosses with balls enemies in these days with David. Wright says is so ironic dip right actually says at the bar. My bosses don't care about this stuff so that's is. That integrity is a lack of morality. And then you have the economics of mass media. It costs My Organization or our organization. Because it's a nonprofit project Veritas over one million dollars to do a story and sometimes it will cost us as much as three quarters of a million dollars to fight a lawsuit. I do not settle lawsuits. Eric in fact I've won eight straight lawsuits. You have settled us I have not ever lost a defamation lawsuit. I've never settled defamation lawsuit. Eleven years ago. I was sued. For Invasion of privacy and Californian I settled one and I made a mistake and I'll never make that mistake again so I appreciate the distinction but you have settled important distinction every time you say something. That isn't they're gonNA THEY'RE GONNA they're gonNA play the game and I'm not again. I am not trying to destroy. I'm not trying to build you up. I'm trying to get you a fair hearing yet. Let me be clear. We've never lost a defamation lawsuit. We've never settled defamation lawsuit and eleven years ago. I was sued for invasion of privacy for recording guy in a room with the door open in California. This guy was coaching me on how to get girls across the Tijuana border. He claimed later he would claim he was playing long but I did not defame him by quoting him and I was sued for invasion of privacy. I fought it and I didn't have any money so I settled so we don't settle lawsuits anymore. We've won every lawsuit we've leading the way. I also just want to be very clear that there are all sorts of situations where people settle when they're in the right because of the economics of of the legal profession. They're held to a different standard than me. So totally understand. It settled the and your audience knows this. Cnn settled the COVINGTON LAWSUIT FOR. They were sued for two fifty million. People said a loss all the time but my point is this that you have to say. I don't think you should be held at the standard of never settling as the if you can meet it. You WanNa know something very interesting lease a lot of the insiders one of the reasons. They came to us other than the fact that the Washington Post in your time. He said that these one of them said to me the fact that you didn't settle that lawsuit. Yeah the fact that you stood by reporting the fact that you would stand on principle at great economic cost..

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"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

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13:49 min | 1 year ago

"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

"Slime US call US liars but they have to put on the front page of the style section. The Washington Post. Yes so this is. I mean this is exactly where I want to be. This is the conversation you're never gonNA get anywhere. Okay so what we we know. What this is we call it. Fud fear uncertainty doubt right the ideas that we have to create fear uncertainty and doubt around you but because there was no way of just pretending that video didn't exist it had to enter the Jin get it institutional narrative. I accept your point. Now I want you just to listen to something which is very tough For me to say consider that heroism and socio pathy are adjacent right. A friend of ours named named Andrea. I'm just blanking on her Polish. Last name for the moment has a theory called extreme altruism and her point is that an altruistic hero and associate pather one toggle switch off of each other and the key. Question is when you have this kind of need to shake things up. Is it done for the self or is it done for the greater good and detect that you actually have a commitment to this that is at a level that is somewhere between heroism and sociopath to be blunt? Now I get it. There are no super tough. People who don't crack don't fall have their own organization are willing to fight in the courts and this is in part what you're doing and you know what let's talk about another story. You covered which I was brought in before I believe you were brought in which was A Google insider Now it can. We use that person's name. Yes let's do it Zach voorhees okay. So Zach Voorhees Was talking to me about all the stuff that was going on at Google and he showed me things like screen shots in programs about m. l. fairness machine learning fairness and how. Google is going to bias Search by unbiased. Sing it. You know that he didn't say those words but that was my encapsulation and I did not know how to help him directly. And what you're saying is true in a world in which no one will cover the Goddamn story. You're looking for the outlet that will and that's what happens repeatedly is not just with you. Fox News Breitbart. You will cover stories that go counter narrative to this mainstream left of center tradition or narrative. Right and so for example as you know when my brother was driven out of his College where he was a professor by racists students calling his anti racism racism that was so completely bazaar for something like the mainstream media that you had effectively a black lead. Maoist uprising with a white Sort of ultra woke pre president against an anti-racist behaving in an anti-racist fashion being called racist that story was so destructive to woke ideology that the New York Times couldn't cover it and so my brother ended up where at Fox News with Tucker Carlson. So once you understand that there's sort of this weird rule which is if all of us pretend that that thing isn't happening then the idea is no one has to cover it. No one has to discuss what it is and the only places that it appears a right of center and then each of these right right of center weakenings in the crust. The crust is as the disc You you have a narrative. Which is everything on Fox? News is bullshit. Everything that Breitbart Prince's crap everything that comes out of a project Veritas. Is unfairly edited in his an unethical. Peace Threat Okay. You're not helping when you go into your self justification mode about will. We have to do this. I mean you may have to do this but you you I have to do is to exhaust all the things that both serve the ends of informing the public where they need to be informed and minimizing the damage to humans unless those humans really deserve the damage. So let me. Just try to get my contention is anytime you move private life into the public sector. It appears bizarre and his incredibly damaging. We are supposed to appear here as we always put on sport jackets and button down shirts Let's say in conduct ourselves. You know in this kind of weird mannered interaction which is in some sense force now for example. I love Fart jokes. Just love them. Do you like fart jokes. I'm not too familiar with the FART jokes. Well for example. There's a fantastic. Really Long limerick called the farther from Sparta. May I say the phrase that once was a fellow from Sparta a truly magnificent? Farda on the strength of one being he'd blow. God Save the Queen and Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata and it goes on and on like that right really quite good now. The problem is is that when I talk about fart jokes in public is like wow eric. You Doing Potty Humor. Nice classy classy anytime. I move private life into the public sector. It's destructive and that's why it's not just about the written rules. It's also you know we talk about in. Judaism the written Torah and we talk about the oral tour And I believe that your lawyers know what the rules are for recording conversations in public places semi public places where the doors opened close. One sided two sided consent Blah Blah Blah and the idea that varies from state to state and the average person. Their idea of these rules is zero. Their tongue completely ignorant of the law so the key question is don't we as Americans have an oral Torah? An idea of what one shouldn't be doing the goes along with the written rule. And you tend to get alerted to this when somebody says something is perfectly legal. That's the phrase that alerts you to the fact that they're usually violating the oral Torah rather than the written Torah is that they say perfectly legal rather than merely legal. And I'm concerned that what you're doing is perfectly legal and overkill with respect to the individuals and it's killing your ability to actually stick it to the institutions who need to be policed in your setup to police okay. Oh Boy First of all I gotcha here. But it's no it's it's it would be as you're speaking. They were about seven points. I wanted to address there but let me try to take it from the top You know I was reading a book. I think it was About images and the the Marshall Hope. I pronounce his last as long as Marshall McLuhan The medium is the message. You know that book and you know the way that the medium changes how we perceive the world around us. It actually changes how we think it does and I I. Maybe this is self but I truly believe that this medium McLuhan sense of what we do. Which is transmitting these little hidden shaky videos on a tweet and gets ten million views in an hour that changes the way we perceive the world around us in it affects our understanding of each other and to quote Scott McNealy like. We've lost our privacy already that this is a new world maybe a brave new world and when they invented the the the the Telegraph. I think there was a criticism. This is an eighteen. The mid mid nineteenth century that there was a criticism that well what is Maine in Texas. Have to talk to each other about anyway. When they admitted the twin Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone. It was like well. That's a kind of an invasion of privacy transparent heaps of Jelly to one another was a characterization that was made about the telephone time. You couldn't cut a man off by gesture. Look when you're talking on the telephone so now we have this new paradigm where you or I could be recorded in the bar. Staying C. U. N. T to a friend in a in a in a context that we think is private and that can be broadcasted instantly. And then we have. This CAN'T CANCEL CULTURE PHENOMENON. And who wants to live in that world? Two things first of all. There's a difference between recording something and broadcasting. It and I would say this this oral Torah Metaphor that you this oral tour of the US. We draw the line at the choice to broadcast the information. I can't tell you on my server. How raw tape. I have where someone said something that was very private. I'm not going to tell you where or who. But there was an example where someone at a bar said Come up to my hotel room and engage in some nausea trois. I didn't publish that. It's pig's blood. It's my duty as a citizens. My obligation not to publish. Because it wasn't newsworthy. Wasn't it wasn't newsworthy. It's a it's a private sort of private sexual nature of people. There was probably some infidelity. But that's not what we do we. We try to focus on areas of profound public importance. Now also tell you that when Upton Sinclair Young wrote the jungle there were no you know hidden cameras Upton Sinclair was. It was extreme ideologue. As far as I'm concerned he was a socialist and he cared about worker participation he. I don't think he set out to expose the meat conditions. He wanted to social you know is. This is an advocate for socialism when he infiltrated undercover posing with a lunch pail and taking off his tie to fit in with the workers. He he he didn't even have a. I don't even believe he had a writing. Utensil I think he sprinted back to his hotel room to write down from memory what he saw so we would make the argument that the recording the recording itself is distinguished from the broadcasting of the recording and that recording someone is a fundamental human right just like writing down what they say is a fundamental human right to restrict someone from saying what they hear it goes back to my argument the First Amendment that we live in a world that that We we live in a world where we capture people audiovisually. This is a new paradigm. Now's list George. Carlin on comedy show recently and he was giving the sketch and he said we live in a new world earth plastic we live in a new paradigm earth plus people at bars being recorded and that being put on twitter instantaneously and just like the at the invention of the telephone. The invention of the telegram the invention of the automobile. It'll it'll remake. How we view our world but there are safeguards against privacy. Privacy issues existed before the advent of technology. You can you can choose where you go and what you say to people. False friends existed. Before the advent of technology betraying people existed before the you know and in most cases it's not in your self interest to betray a close friend. Or Confidante so I don't think and I I really strongly believe that what we do is moral forgetting the legal that we can talk about the law but forget the law and you realize that I understand the argument that sometimes what you're on earth is of such consequence that it would be immoral to hold it back wholesale but it is also the question. I mean. I'll be honest about it. I feel like you get a kind of pleasure. You and I both feeling guests. It is might you. You feel like I get pleasure out of out of out of out of wet. I'm worried that you get a pleasure. Out of sticking it to the sanctimonious elitist progressive thing that SA- fuses absolutely. I'm just trying to make it easy for you to understand where where I'm coming from. Which is I can't stand what the left has become. It's unrecognizable to me. It's not it's not a force that seems to want to fight for working families. It doesn't really seem to care about the environment like the you know. The Sierra Club used to be against immigration it sanctimonious it's pure constant sanctimony sanctimony in the service of institutions. So the ideas that I see this kind of we are the world Not as this beautiful song and sentiment but as the cover story for breaking your bonds to your fellow countrymen so that you can go seek cheap labor overseas or something like that. The Davos crowd if you will Betrayed the left. And the the right who's always found the left to be irritating This a part of the left on this show. The can't stand the part of the left that you that you may be targeted. That said I have to stay my hand because I don't want to engage in the kind of crap that they do and I feel like you're in some sense doubling down on their methods I disagree. I think that investigative reporting you know going back to the nineteen sixties and seventies and. I'm not an expert on this by no some. These people did some things that were maybe we. Are you disagree with their tactics? But I mean you had let me give you a few examples You had Guenter while was an extremist..

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"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

The Portal

14:09 min | 1 year ago

"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

"Hello you found the portal. I'm your host Eric. Weinstein and I get to sit down today with James. O'keefe the head of Project Veritas James. Welcome great to be here. I'm really glad to have you now. You know. Of course the by just having you in that chair. Some percentage of the world is going to go bananas and say Oh my God. Eric has jumped the shark. He's beyond the Pale gone too far. He's platform somebody should never be platform. And this is going through my head. Even as we speak and part of the reason I bring that up is that I wanNA fight that. Which is that's ridiculous. You're an important figure we need to talk to. You need to understand you and I also want to. Just begin by commending you because you got to be here in part by your Answering a tweet of mine by just being open about the fact that I you didn't feel like I was being fair to you and maybe I would just begin by reminding Our viewers and listeners have began okay so we do that. Sure okay. So you project Veritas had just caught David Wright of ABC News on Undercover Camera. Saying some things that he probably shouldn't have and he was suspended by ABC. As a result of Project Veritas is actions. New tweeted that out and I responded Why is this person suspended? Because he's a socialist question mark because he thinks trump is addict question mark because he discusses the dinosaur broadcast broadcast channels because he is thinking about institutional bias. DuNno and then I say I also have to admit I hate this shitty hidden camera. Gotcha crap And your response. Was You hate this Shitty Hidden Camera? Gotcha crap right was in a public space speaking freely amongst his peers in newspapers. That's called reporting. You're prejudiced against the method. Doesn't make any sense. You prefer a report this all caps without the audio quotation anonymously sourced close quote and I thought that was a really interesting comeback and so if I can recall I said thank you James. For this question. Let me answer. This is honestly as I can. We have a William L. problem. Aim too high and you miss the story aimed to low and you kill the impact. Do the uncomfortable methods. In my opinion. You are aiming to low and I am aiming too high and I think that that really comes down to the the interesting issue that we have for listeners and viewers today which is I think you and I are agreed on a lot about the problems in the current system and were radically divided by the methods. And I'm very concerned about the damage. Project Veritas doing. And I'm also interested in the Progress Project Veritas. Making and most people want to have a one or the other perspective and I have a superposition of the two issues so I thought that In place to start that'd be a great place to start. Do you want to talk a little bit about how you saw the interaction in any background that you WANNA bring to the conversation? It's a lot to unpack here. There's a million things directions to go into. But I thought that was a very interesting conversation and credits you because after having the conversation you actually invited me to to to talk to you into call you in that in. Kudo Steve Because most of the people that I deal with. Don't even think that I'm human. They kind of want to dehumanize me. They don't want to engage in conversation. So thank you I think that a lot of people It's extensively about the methods of what we do but in reality it's about the findings. It's actually not about the methods. It's used as a kind of an excuse and in that particular Tweet Twitter threat you're referring to. This is a common theme. It's it's the ethics of recording. Someone like David. Wright was in a bar in New Hampshire. And do we want to live in a world where our our likeness can be broadcast and transmitted in St Louis to everybody likable? Don't want to live in that world. My argument is going to be has been my whole life that reporters all there. There's a routine nature in journalistic methods to both utilized deception and to broadcast things to the world. That are not as accurate as a camera would be. There's a routine nature first of all of using pretense journalistic deception is standard in the industry by reporters. Make you think that they're your friend. And then they betray your confidence they appeal to your sense of loneliness or vanity and then they betray you. They pull the rug underneath you. That's that's what I meant when I said that's the Paragon of investigative reporting and then when it comes to the actual medium itself which we will talk about here today. The camera is a more accurate version of the events in question so surely not just from a legal perspective from a moral one. We would consider AB- considerate unreasonable to place ethical restrictions on recording someone when we don't place restrictions on someone writing what they said down with a. Pencil and paper and shouting it from the rooftops. Five minutes later because the recording does the individual more justice than secondhand hearsay. Words are different mediums. So that was the point I was making to you and and I think you had a. We had a very honest back and forth there. I appreciate it. Thanks very much And it's a great. You know I think your Your tagline something like be brave brave do something do something and I think that is brave to come into. Somebody's studio when you know that they've got a problem with you from the get. Go so Kudos teaser I think that you and I are so. Let me also just try to be radically different than most of these interviews. I've told you that there will be no Gotcha And I mean a stick to that. Because I don't I don't like Gotcha your perspective. Which I thought was incredibly honest was. It's it's an interesting thing to say. Because Gotcha is in some sense. What James O'Keefe do we project Veritas? And so what I said in response was. It's an interesting question. Whether or not the Gotcha problem that I see in the news industry should be doubled where you got your back to the irs or you should try to set an example of cut that shit out right. And that's in part what I try to do Which is I? Try to go after institutions. I tried to knock go after individuals what I wanted to talk about In part is that because I see you and I as in agreement that there is a serious problem with the sense making architecture that currently goes under the name of journalism and it's not clear what that architecture is actually doing and I think it's clear it's more and more Americans than others increasingly are asking. Is this even really what journalism was supposed to be all about as we start to see the mechanism fail? Because I'm agreed with you. There's a serious problem. I don't think that when I say I'm really disturbed by the methods that I'm part of the thing. That's trying to protect the institutions. Which is I think what you're usually getting from people who think you're the devil I think what I'm really concerned about in part is that you are actually damaging the enterprise that. I'm interested in by pursuing in in some ways I sort of you is analogous to Donald Trump. Okay and here's here would be the argument again. It's a loose analogy. It's not a tight one. We have a situation in which for example. No one is allowed to bring up all of the problems with immigration Within the standard architecture of news in general there's only one role for the restriction EST and that is the role of his NFO which is preposterous. It's idiotic. It's beyond belief the way in which that weird meam has perpetuated Has Been Perpetuated for at least thirty to forty years where. There's only one reason to oppose immigration. And that's because of a moral failing of the self Can only happen by the news choosing not to report all of the reasons. One can be a restriction EST so as an example of of the the comparison I would say trump found a way to talk about immigration restriction ISM openly in a way that many Americans could respond to because a lot of Americans actually want immigration restricted on the other hand tinged it with stuff he played with the whether or not. He was actually openly racist or not. You can make the argument that you went right up to a line. And that he caused people to complete thoughts and their own head that he didn't actually say but he got very close to some very ugly sentiments at the barest minimum and in part the method of bringing something dangerous up in public tinged that perspective with a kind of meanness or unsavory nece that I didn't think that it needed at all because of the vacuum was created by the media not functioning as it should trump filled the vacuum and he also brought this extra little bit which was an unsavory tinge to the subject. In some sense. I would say I see you as doing real journalism hard hitting journalism and that is to your credit and then it is tinged with something which I see is very disturbing which is kind of Methods that make us all uncomfortable. And I think you're quite correct to point out that journalism is itself openly deceptive practice as practiced by the institutions. And I wanted to say I also find the journalist practice of trying to be your best friend and then stabbing you in the back discussed okay. Good man there's a lot to unpack there. Where do I begin? let me just address the The characterization that on gotcha person Blues came from you. It didn't I didn't say fair enough fair enough and I and I may want to correct myself year because maybe there's a universe of gutter. I may have said it in the tweet but I didn't mean to say no I understand so I think I think we don't even quote people he we let them be themselves. We we assimilate with the people at the Bar. And in you know we're letting people be their natural selves. Sometimes people don't have the courage to be themselves in in public In the way that we record people and a lot of these people in the media that we recorded like whether it be Patrick Davis at CNN or this Right at ABC. They didn't have the courage to say these things publicly and I happen to agree with these people what they said but when it comes to the methods you have a choice to make you can either from my perspective deceive your audience or you can for lack of a better word. Deceive the person that you're interviewing such that you can tell the truth to the audience and and one is worse than the other and you only have these two choices and That's that's what makes Guenter Wallraff was a hero of mine. He was a legendary undercover reporter in Germany. Still Alive he's in his seventies and and this man said I don't like the way he utilizes the word deception but he says my task is to deceive in order not to be deceived to break the rules of of of of of the game in order to disclose the secret rules of the power structure and lots of ethicists have basically said the same thing and when it comes to this sort of journalism. It's you you only have two choices you can. You can hate the methods but then you're going to broadcast lies to the public and telling the truth to the public is paramount. The public has a right to know this information. So you can you know this sort of the beauty and bane of ethics is that I guess it's it's always situational but we've reached a point in the media. I mean you know look at what's happening this week with this Mass hysteria to we. That's another subject but that that the the mass media has become so so far gone of an industrial system of this production that manufacturers consent that we're getting to the point now where I believe. These methods are universally justifiable because the media is so broken and I have a choice to make. I can repeat what they say to me at a podium or into a microphone or I can or I can use disguise which we believe is morally necessary. I would even go so far to say. It's actually immoral not to use disguise. If the only way that you can get to that truth is to use disguised and other reporters throughout the twentieth century. Agreed with me. Many people are not alive anymore but at this point it's gotten so bad that we think these tactics are are completely necessary. Because we live in a country where the public's right to know is very important. We cherish the First Amendment. We we hold these truths to be self evident we we we believe in the First Amendment so much that you're going to have to deal with the methods you're going to have to deal with the possibility that the person sitting next to you has a recording device because we cherish these values if you wanna live in a different society which doesn't cherish those values which which leans towards secrecy and the public not knowing things then you don't have to deal with those methods and that's that's an inch shorter why we believe that Undercover work Pretending to be something that you're not in order to extract truths from people are not just justified. They're morally necessary in this environment. Good so can we both say that Were possible to get at the truth without using deception. It would be better to do it if that was possible in that circumstance society professional journalists. I think he was in early..

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"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

The Portal

02:04 min | 1 year ago

"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

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"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

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01:36 min | 1 year ago

"james okeefe" Discussed on The Portal

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"james okeefe" Discussed on The Charlie Kirk Show

The Charlie Kirk Show

10:35 min | 1 year ago

"james okeefe" Discussed on The Charlie Kirk Show

"And so you've been doing this for how many years now well I started a college newspaper and I was Nineteen Guy Rucker Centurion. And then I I started. Project Veritas in Two Thousand Eight two thousand nine. I did the plan parent expose larose and then the acorn expose Hannah Giles. Two thousand nine so about a decade officially and and now we have over fifty employees. It's like the Special Forces of investigative journalism. We have a small cohesive team. And we're growing. We're we're we're we're up to a couple dozen journalists now and And even a couple dozen whistleblowers with cameras inside these institutions while. What what which one of these? If you're all your project with one of you most proud of great question I think the creamer one charlie the that I showed you privately. It was unbelievably good. That was that was huge that was covered covered on all the mainstream New York Times Front. Page they hillary had to fire. They had to fire Bob. CREAMER WHO's married Jan Schakowsky days before the presidential election and trump brings it up in the debate with Hillary. She denies it. I think the biggest one I think. ABC News was big. Because of the Epstein and I I also think it has inspired other insiders to come to us within media companies and that's really big that other what he says something they won't even go to any other conservative -servative Herald. Say something would happen. I'm meeting with these people. It's like something out of all the president's men I'm meeting with these sources in these hotel rooms and wherever else we meet with them and they said to me something something they said. I couldn't go to the New York Times I couldn't go to the Washington Post they'd sell out in a heartbeat. I had to go someplace where those people would have my back. Never quit. Never surrender screamed from the rooftops. And they says there's only one place I can think of. Going Project Veritas. While no one else will tell our story story in this country. No other American journalist would tell the story that we showed Think about how damning that is of our media environment but that's the status quo and so what's been the biggest lesson doing all this the well. We have a lot of young listeners. Who Books about other lessons? Single biggest understand James. A lot of our menu listeners are just being exposed to you. In the recent years I would say biggest lesson. I'm looking at my producer Sir. Because my mind is going through thirty lessons one of the biggest lessons is Churchill said What was the quote from Winston Churchill? He said Success is not final failure is not fatal. It's the courage to continue. That counts the courage to continue. I am thirty five years old. I've been doing this in a major way for ten years and I have been through. You know arrested. I've been through hell. I been sued twenty five times. I've been threatened with lawsuits. You'd never lost lost not lost a lawsuit that I've litigated when seven lawsuits this year and yesterday one of these Teacher's Union people had to pay US money after suing us the the lesson I've learned Charlie's to not stop is too in. That may sound simple. It's actually is something. I've learned the hard ways to keep going is to an and there have been many times. I've thought about quitting. Who wants to be called names and called racist and ensued and being federal jury trials and be arrested and so forth and so on? But I've learned there's one thing that they can't defeat and that is The willpower to stand up in the face of their lies made. Maybe they're betting on our surrender. That's the only thing that they've gotten their favor because they have one thing that we don't have. And that's the power of the media to humiliate you we we don't have a CNN in airports that propagate are narrative every day they have that so. That's a very psychologically powerful deterrent. So I have to stop you there. Do you understand and you probably know this but you expose. CNN You know there's like this whole very interesting infrastructure behind CNN is in airports. I'd love to have you ever. They have an exclusive contract with the federal government to pipe. CNN through all of our airports is to the FAA the Federal Airport minutes they have this whole exclusive contract. The only news providers can be H. L. C. N. which were due to Turner properties. So you up. Seen in an airport on federal government is assisting that needs to be exposed to but that but listen the temptation. My point is air traffic controller whistleblower. There's the target rich environment either way. That's that's you'd I should target rich environment. But here's the deal the temptation Haitian Charlie to sell out to took off. I Want my book review by The New York Times. I WanNa get good morning. America the temptation to do that is so great that most people most human beings are not willing to be. I mean you gotta be a masochist to do this for a decade and I've had people who stopped doing it say I don't know how you've done this for ten years James. No that's that's that's a legitimate question. It's hard yes it's but there are some things more important than being praised by the most impressed by with James Two things your perseverance severence through the adversity. I mean I've dealt with a lot of people that are hated by the media. It's it's a next level with you. I mean I've never seen anything I mean and Andrew Breitbart would say that that is a Honor that's a badge of honor but it's not easy and rush limbaugh says to Charlie says no one likes to be. No one likes to be hated. We are brought up wanting to be life social creatures. Yeah but if you're GONNA do this if you're going to expose the truth is your expos. ABC Goldstone working with the Royal Family to cover up child. Pedophilia you're GONNA be hated by all the people you want to be liked by and your book will not be reviewed by the New York Times you you will not get the positive inc but what you will have is an army of Patriots. Many of them were at this conference. Who are that's what matters to me? Is the people the majority of good people in this country who care about integrity. And and the second part James that impresses me and I don't WanNa say under. I never estimated you but I did underestimate estimate the potential of your effort three or four years ago because I thought you would run out and this is what I thought you were going to run out of people to get on camera conventional truth I thought James. How do you catch these people? I said you've got a big infrastructure problems because eventually they're going to be very paranoid about what they're saying on camera and you're just gonNA run out of content and you said. Let me let me worry about that. You keep doing yourself S.. Well comes down to the these people people especially Democrats in red states instead of fixing the problems. That's what people do the targets that we film instead of reforming their behavior they just work on not getting caught doing the thing that that we exposed but that that's what's so fascinating. That's the that's the thing I would reform my behavior. I would say shame on me. Let me do the ethical. That's what I thought they would start. Never now you know what they do. Is they take the fraud into the shadows. We have to be more clandestine and sophisticated and catching it so the instead it's such an important point. Is that the left left. They've never been sorry for what they've done. Never they're only sorry they got caught always always and that's why we have two more sophisticated undercover about access SASS. Meaning you have to be you have to be in the place. Have the relationship bill. Which is why these whistleblowers and insiders coming out of CNN ABC Google etc.? See more more coming up next year. That's why it has to be about whistle blowers filming it's a movement of whistleblowers who follow their conscience and do the right thing. That's very inspiration on proud to say that it's going to blow up next. What what do you have to say to the accusations and the left that you're using unethical tactics and all the I mean these are the things they can never i? I say Earl donate ten thousand dollars to the charity of anyone's choice. That's watching this program or listening. If they can name one thing that we have published that is not true. Since project. Veritas was incorporated Charlie. They can't do it. They'll say will you look at the tape name. The edit. Please find the edit. The so-called Edit The Washington Post The New York Times edits things all the time in fact they've printed dozens of retractions just appelt may also. Let's let's be perfectly clear any interview review with the New York Times any story. They'll interview you for an hour and a half million one-sentence and editing and that's causing a very and then they'll never disclosed does the rest of they'll never and they nonethless sources Bob Woodward you WanNa talk about hearsay. Bob Woodward does a book on trump. He quotes anonymous source who quotes another source and puts what's that hearsay in direct quotes and calls that Journalism Charlie. I don't do that. I only report something when you can see the person's face and you can see their lips so I think journalism has become deeply corrupted. It's it's lie by omission it's hearsay. It's anonymous sources have been abused and the only solution leanest to do the work and to be the leader to be the change we wished to see in the world. We have to do it. Unfortunately we have to do the journalism and set the example for The American media media. How can people help listening to this? podcast they can donate the project Veritas. They don't want US action. which will be more important? Yeah we got to see three and a five one c three. I see four as familiar and I would say that the way that they can help is to go to veritas tips at Proton mail dot com. And if you're on the inside of an institution if you see something You can be a hero. Our heroes are not the people on TV Our heroes are big men who actually do something about the problem and are celebrities are big names are heroes are big men. So are the honest cop. It's the honest schoolteacher to the honest silicon in Bali engineer. Charlie send us a tip veritas tips at Proton Mel Dot Com. It's incredible anything else James. You'd like the plug. In the time we have remaining ever lying cheating stealing scamming you may just be the next unwilling Internet celebrity. Stay tuned for the next show. You're saying I have to share that. I will share it. I don't have to but I will be sharing it on my twitter feed. Whatever you met love that I'd love if you could do that? You gotTa James. You're an American patriot. Thank you thank you Charlie. What a great conversation was with James? O'Keefe checkout his work he does at Project Project Veritas and mix you guys subscribe to this show type and Charlie Kirk show hit subscribe. Get your friend to do the same to friends right now to subscribe to the Kirk show we. We are growing amazingly quick. Thanks to your support and if you want to get involved a turning point. USA CHECKOUT TEEPEE USA DOT COM. That's Teepee USA DOT com. The organization Tation is growing by leaps and bounds. Ron Two thousand high school and college campuses across the country fighting for free.

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"james okeefe" Discussed on The Charlie Kirk Show

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11:02 min | 1 year ago

"james okeefe" Discussed on The Charlie Kirk Show

"Something hit me an I underestimated this two or three years ago the collusion between the Criminal Division at the Department of Justice and the mainstream media and I it's important understand they work in tandem the DOJ oh Jay will leak to the whilst Washington Post or the New York Times Or daily beast even. So here's how it works. In my opinion if it's a more less substantiated stantione story the more less substantiated. Is the more fringe left. They'll leak too. So I you know buzzfeed daily Beast toughing post but if they have more facts to leak to Oh Washington Post New York Times I've lived. I've lived in a smaller way for the last decade of my life. We did a story New Hampshire on voter fraud and we had filmed at the poll. Polling booths ballots ballots being offered out in the names of the deceased and and the media was contacting professors. Trying to find the law professor. That would say oh Keith broke the law and has just listen. We're we're up against a tidal wave of media corruption but we have to be the media. We have to do the job. And you've said this to me you know you know when you tweet out our stories you have a blue checkmark. I actually don't by the way I seven hundred thousand followers have been kicked off twitter altogether. I think it's gotten to the point. Knock on wood. Where if they do that? It's too obvious. I don't even curse on twitter and I do nothing that would that would make the reason for diversification. uh-huh verified me in the first place. Charles I thought you were verified at once we've ever been we have. TV is verified. I'm not so I don't know the reasons. Some bad dudes that are verified commitment viewed as a badge of honor. I I think not. Being verified is the new verified. That makes me feel pretty bad when when you have this many fall. Now I'm verified the club now no but it's a badge of honor they don't Legitimize me in in their own is but I can tell you that we have to do the job ourselves Chelsea. I'm trying to help with distribution you great job and you said to me if you can get those clips into the hands of people just like don digestible belong stuff you know it has to be embedded and it usually does very very warm in the Epstein one. We caught pretty early and we were part of many others. I mean that had eleven million twelve on twitter. That's an unbelievable story story. That was the tape of Amy Rohbock. This woman was very sincere very credible. It's an unbelievable expose. Yeah and it was recorded and shot by an insider or working for ABC News. Who still is on the inside? They fired the wrong person. They retaliated against a woman at a different company. They thought was our source. It was an extraordinary event. Charlie and an ABC was colluding with CBS News. These are competitors and ABC's owned by Disney Corporation and innocent and the whistle blowers. Just trying to talk about. How epsteins protecting the Clintons Child Pedophilia? So yes we live in dark times and message tomorrow in front of all these students that you've you've gathered here. Is that you guys. Some of you are going to have to do the job yourselves. And it may not be working for the Washington Post because the Washington Post The New York Times trying to hunt down the person who recorded that tape instead of actually Tell the story of what they uncovered and so the ABC DC News. They were more outraged that the tape got leaked then the fact internally. They suppressed the story. But even worse than Matt where was the outrage from the rest of the clamoring pundit media that. ABC did not cover the epsteins story. She said she had all the facts. All the sources sources everything and got killed. Yes there so I can tell you charlie that there was indignation privately but none of the people in the media had the the stones to say that publicly publicly If that's a change James you know what the changes though you wanna see how much our politics have changed do think acorn would be defended today. Probably the guy who's very very complicated long a good question the question. I think we should talk about it. Because you got you got a government fund you got a government program defined with the Democrat Congress yes democratically controlled House and Senate. You GotTa you gotTA program funded in two thousand nine. Yes and decade ago and President Obama signed that legislation so yet Obama and again they reappropriated the money in a different way all sorts of crazy corruption stuff right but acorn closed. Its doors the eighty th how a Senate voted eighty three to seven in September of two thousand nine to De-fund Acorn born and there was of your work. There was a sphere of consensus. I mean this is what Andrew Breitbart called the Abu Ghraib of the Great Society. These government workers out classify prostitution is performing arts on ninety tax return. But but James That's just as bad as what's his name deleted delight and delight and we might go to jail he he hopefully doesn't and I think I think that Did an unbelievable outrage. It is an Joe's videos that he had a planned. Parenthood are equally if not more morally reprehensible not necessarily because our laws are so screwed up when it comes to abortion. Then your we'll surely. I was incarcerated at least temporarily and vindicated. Eventually after the acorn story I was I was in a a federal building. I showed my real driver's license. I did not break the law but they arrested me and because of what I did with the ACORN story. They charged with the crime. When you take on people in power our when you expose them effectively you're going to be attacked? No I agree at this. But there's a deeper point here what's changed since two thousand two now where Democrats said. Oh no we will defend this thing. Yeah they would hold the line today. They have the issue. Now I think in this is a really good thing to talk about is that they have no shame. They'd deny facts. There's no way to see the spirit. They had shame. and Oh nine yes okay. Yes so what changed from nine to now. The the Democratic Party has become Monolithic and and they deny facts. They didn't they. It's journalism by implication. They don't WanNa they don't WanNa Support Org knowledge facts if those facts imply public policy. Yes that they disagree with and in the ACORN story even Jon Stewart said this is bad. Yes but the guy on comedy the central. What's his name now? Trevor Noah he would. There's there's never even acknowledge so it's the Leninist Soviet way were you don't acknowledge or don't say the facts that imply the public policy that you don't like that's what's changed and it's very it's very significant and this is what's confused me with with this and I always use I use this Use Your example frequently people I I think one of the biggest fallacies and I always try to call this out on our podcast. People say well history repeats itself itself goes everything goes in a circle is no evidence of that whatsoever. I think it's much more vector theory that that there's there's no evidence that we're GONNA go back to the way things work No no evidence of that and this this example. I don't know in my lifetime. We're going to go back to an America that in two thousand nine you get a government program defunding in front of Congress. Because of I'm an expose video there was I'm not trying to invalidate the work. You've done recently obviously not just. I'm disappointed. In how the countries that would be if that happened today every Democrat would say acorn does proud work in our communities right. This is an out of. This is an misplaced. Video selectively edited. That was a stunt and it's an isolated for example. I would say Charlie that yes or no that the that the media apparatus and the Democratic Party leadership would say that but they're like two percent of of diagram that is a larger and I do think that like we did this thing on the Teacher's Union Into two thousand eighteen and the guy looks like something out Sopranos. This guy goes we put the abuse back onto the child. We protect the worst people and the Democratic Senate and the Democratic legislator and the Democratic governor all condemned the Teacher's Union. And they're on on the on the I know but he did anything happen. Reforming fired the people involved. And I think this is. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. I mean this is the thing I have. I have to say that to the students tomorrow. Have to say you you hit them and you keep hitting him you keep fighting. You don't stop and You keep going your indefatigable. This is what takes and the key thing is they hit you back. After the first they hit you they hit you. They hit me. The call costs whatever. They WANNA call us but you have to be willing to be like trump used to be pugnacious and indefatigable. You have to be hit and you say I don't care what you think of me. I believe in this. And that's what they're scared of we. We're going to break a story in January Charlie and I'm not gonna I'm I'm not GonNa say on the record what it is. I'll tell you off the record after this. You have to tell us well not on the record before January and I'll tell you off the record after the interview and we have these tapes inside the campaigns and they're saying things that you oh my God you release one and they say that's an isolated incident. You released two three and four you release one. LET THEM REACT S. That's the bread. Andrew Taught Us Andrew Tommy that let's talk about Andrew for a second. I never to chance to Andrew. Sure he passed away about a couple of months before I came on March first. Twenty twelve twelve ever remember that. Forget that day. You're in his documentary. The documentary hating Breitbart. It's it's so raw an offense. It's very very authentic. You know what I liked about. That documentary is that there's a lot of new media pundits you flip through twitter on our side right all these guys that have big followings in channels Andrew was is the first of the first of this yes Andrew Andrew. This is this generation their generation Z.. I suppose Andrew died eight years ago so I I was. I talked to my every day. He he he tweeted probably probably. I'm not exaggerating hundreds of thousand times. Sweep the hate. She was like his he was like a human machine and he would retreat. Every negative tweet beat about him and he would fight. They say only punch-up he would punch down towards the bottom feeders and it was hilarious and amazing and intelligent and incredible credible and he would do it while he was running the company while he was writing columns he was brilliant. I know and there's not many people alive today. Yes they're nature abhors. There's a vacuum and there's some but this man was a one stop shop at fighting back and there's no one like him he died and it's very sad sad and What he taught me more than anything else was when you are lied about especially on twitter you fight back and you don't stop and you run towards the fires what he used to say having Donald trump or someone had learned something from somebody that's true that's true? Donald trump many have said he's he's the the Andrew Breitbart and all of our generation. Yes if you don't know your numbers you don't Know Your Business. This is a great product. 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"james okeefe" Discussed on The Charlie Kirk Show

The Charlie Kirk Show

07:02 min | 1 year ago

"james okeefe" Discussed on The Charlie Kirk Show

"Hey everybody welcome to this edition of the Charlie Kirk show with amazing guest and a credible conversation with him. James O'Keefe founder of Project Veritas who has been banned from twitter. Recently he has done done. Some amazing exposes of the left and is a true citizen journalist. We go into all things mainstream media bias tech companies. You name it. He's become a friend over the years and he fights he really really fights he is a great American citizen and activist all around before we get into this episode. Shoot US an email freedom freedom at Charlie Kirk Dot Com. That is freedom at Charlie Kirk Dot Com. And take out your phone right now. Type in Charlie Kirk show to your podcast provider and hit. That subscribe button right now. Now we are on spotify so make sure you guys are following us on spotify and help us continue to surge in charts type and Charlie Kirk show hit subscribe. Leave us a five star review and here we go Please enjoy exclusive interview with.

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