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James Mangold Behind The Wheel For 'Ford v Ferrari'

The Frame

26:40 min | 9 months ago

James Mangold Behind The Wheel For 'Ford v Ferrari'

"KPCC PODCASTS are supported by Warner brothers presenting the good liar. A smart suspense Thriller About Secrets. People keep an allies. They live that will keep audiences. This is guessing starring Helen Mirren and Ian mckellen rated R. Only in theaters November Fifteenth from the Mon Broadcast Center at KPCC ACC. It's the frame. I'm John Horn on today's show. Washington lawmakers are working for better representation for Latinos in Hollywood then filmmaker. James Mangold wanted to capture auto racing from the driver's perspective in his new movie for versus Ferrari F. I'm GonNa make a sports movie and my shooting shooting style at the sport is going to look the same as what you'd see under began sports broadcast. It may just be my own sense of pride but I feel like I failed. And on this Veterans Day aac we hear from some vets who have turned their experiences into theater. allback coming up on the frame go. KP SEE PODCASTS are supported by Warner brothers presenting the good liar. A suspense filled thriller about the secrets. Secrets people keep an allies. They live brought to life by two storeyed award-winning actors. Helen Mirren and Ian mckellen. The film offers a clever unpredictable. Game of cat-and-mouse. In the vein vein of Hitchcock Thriller Imbued with Intrigue Danger and surprising twists on November fifteenth. Read between the lies. The good liar rated R. under seventeen not dictated without apparent only in theaters November fifteenth. Welcome to the frame. I'm John Horn. Latinos have been underrepresented in Hollywood for a long time both in front of and behind the camera last week a delegation from the Congressional Hispanic Caucus came to La to discuss the issue with Industry Leaders Congressman Joaquin Castro of San Antonio is Chairman of the Group and he says the Hispanic Caucus has a couple of concerns about representation. We worked in in Los Angeles on two issues in particular the gross underrepresentation of Latinos in the entertainment industry and the second getting is portrayal of Latinos in television and film for example. This latest Annenberg report found that of the lead characters on film. Twenty eight percent played criminals which is obviously for any American community or segment of society Misrepresentation and so we had meetings with six or seven studios and executives from those studios. We met with a few of the Gills. The street actors Guild Sag after and the directors guild and and we had a chance to meet with about forty Latino actors actresses producers directors and others about the Hollywood ecosystem Oh system and the challenges that they face hitting work in that system. It's not just the kinds of parts. That Latinos are getting. It's the number of parts Latino. Oh actors barely got four and a half percent of the more than forty seven thousand speaking roles in the top one hundred grossing movies from each though past twelve years and Latinos make up a huge percentage of the US population but also the movie going public. It's almost a quarter of all. Ticket buyers are Latinos. So was there any explanation explanation about that. Disconnect yeah I mean we had pleasant meetings with everyone And you know and everybody talked about. The things are doing to try to do better better. I can't say that there was a satisfactory answer to that. Issue up they did talk about their different pipelines for writing for directing. You know this and that that they're working on. But as I said to those folks in the meetings look if you're at three percents now of Latinos in front of the camera behind the camera then. Whatever you've been doing doing in the past obviously has not worked? So what are you doing right now. And what do you plan to do to improve those numbers And it's very strange that an industry like Hollywood this considered liberal and progressive. Then he would have worse numbers than the fossil fuel industry the oil and gas industry in my home state of Texas Texas. The numbers obviously don't lie the representation of Latinos along with a lot of underrepresented groups in Hollywood is terrible. Why is it important that that it changed? And why is it important to you personally. Well there is a cost to that underrepresentation in C. Suites In terms of casting directors producers etc and part of that cost is a misprint trail of Latinos. I think get no. We not only affects how the how people see themselves but also how. The larger American public sees a Latino community. So when a president or we're politician or anyone else gets up and says that Latinos are criminals and rapists murderers and people turn on their television set and they go to a movie movie and that's exactly what they see then. It affirms that idea for them that the person who's speaking is right and taken to its extreme. It leads to what you've gotTa Know Paso Texas a few months ago which is a madman driving Ted Hours to kill twenty one people. Because he sees Hispanics as invaders to the United States never mind that Latinos have been here for generations. So Hollywood has to take a really deep and close look in the mirror and start to change and change -serily not just by lip service but actually changed. And how do you think that will come about because we've had study after study leave for the last decade that's pointed out these numbers and it doesn't seem like the needle is moving. Do you see any hope for optimism. You you know I. I was Optimistic after it was conversations in terms of Congress's involvement in Congress does have jurisdiction over tax incentives. That provided to the film industry. Just like different state. Legislatures have jurisdiction over tax incentives. That are offered in different places where movies and television television productions are set. But I I'll tell you I did tell some of the folks in these meetings that for us for those of us that were on that trip for the Congressional National Hispanic Caucus and I think for I would dare say for many other members of Congress we have is a mark Zuckerberg level problem here in terms of Hollywood. We have have a problem where an industry is acting incredibly irresponsibly and doesn't seem to be doing very much to change it so the idea that you would bring executives from from Hollywood in front of Congress. The Judiciary Committee is the committee that has jurisdiction basically over Hollywood. That idea I think is something that we should consider consider. Let's assume that these Hollywood executives who aren't really doing what maybe there should be doing. Were to testify in front of Congress. What would you ask them? Congress has brought different industries In front of it to question them on their practices in terms of hiring and diversity and what commit. But they're making do those things and so I ask him questions about the processes they put in place. I mean. Look when you're in a city that is forty percent. Latino in a state is forty percent Latino country that's eighteen percent Movie ticket buyers. That are twenty three percent over indexed on movie ticket sales and this group of people only has about three percent of the rolls when you combine in front of and behind the camera you get to a point where you have to admit that that's systemic exclusion of a group of people and when we have systemic problems not just individual problems or one person here there air when you have problems. Those are the kinds of things that Congress and legislatures should get involved with Joaquin. Castro represents San Antonio in the US House of Representatives. He also chairs the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Congressman. Thank you so much for coming on the show coming up on the frame writer director James Mangold puts us in the front seat for his new movie. Ford versus Ferrari take welcome back to the frame. I'm John Horn. Ford versus versus Ferrari is as the title suggests the story of how Ford entered the nineteen sixty six Lemoyne's automobile race in an attempt to defeat the reigning champion and of Sports Car Racing Ferrari the story centers on the relationship between the men who took up the seemingly impossible challenge race car designer Carroll Shelby played played by Matt Damon and Driving Legend. Ken Miles. WHO's played by Christian Bale together they built and raced the car that we now know as the Ford? Gt I met met with director. James Mangold not too long ago. Where are we James? I want you to describe. We're in a meadow. We're in a meadow looking at some aspens and we were at the telluride film film festival where Ford Versus Ferrari had its world premiere. So are you at all a car night. Can you tell the difference between a Chevy and afford and impala the spectrum of car expertise being able to tell the difference between Chevy Ford is low. You're set the bar very low car nut I would say no now. I'm not a car nut. Although I got much more into it making the film had this story come to you what was your. What was the beginning of his script? Two Thousand Ten two thousand and eleven there was a script floating around Attracted me about the SCRIP. Wasn't just the car thing. But was the unique characters. This kind of Ensemble of hot-rodders riders and veterans and British in southern California and Italians and perfectionists and corporate types. And I saw so much of Frankly I connected with it on the even through the prism of our own business Watching you know this. This effort to build a car is not unlike the effort to make committee and all the different personalities involved in bringing it to market place The artists the marketeers. The naysayers the cynics the idealist the believers the Romantics the crazies These are all part of our life to and and in a way. It seemed like kind of beautiful allegory for me. Also so what was interesting On the level of why the movie hadn't happened. which is that? No one had pulled the trigger on the movie because it had cost every version that anyone who was doing doing were was costing too much and I think the one thing in this actually brings you back to your question was the one thing that really helped me and not being a car. Car Nut was that when I went through the script and tried to kind of Pera down to its essence. I wasn't that guy who is haunted by. Oh I can't cut that. Oh I can't they. I had that has to be the movie meaning. I I had the objectivity to kind of see the movie more than the kind of being such a car racing. Not that I couldn't didn't let go of anything which all the expense of the movie was the racing and so Well you'll know when you see it's movies kind of a private Ryan in Reverse I. It's it's a pretty much a straight ahead character piece ending with an hour of nonstop racing. But you do something with the racing you and your cinematographer in Michael Michael and that is you shoot the races from the racers perspective. We don't have these overhead shots of hundreds of cars. You are taking the viewer in the car. You're so that he or she is in with your razor. Can Miles absolutely John. I think that the whole I mean the to me the the on on a pure ego level if I'm GonNa make a sports movie and my shooting style of the sport is GonNa look the same is what you'd see on your weekend sports broadcast then. I've I've kind of May just be my own sense sense of pride but I feel like I failed but secondly the movie was about these guys and these guys pushing these cars to their limit but also subtleties. You know Ken Miles was a was a great racer and a great engineer but his greatest competition was with himself And I think we make that pretty clear in the movie you know He. He was trying to top himself. He didn't care about the marketing he didn't care about the rankings. He didn't care about fame he just had a goal of being as good is he could be and better than he was yesterday. And that even saying that. How could I ever show anything like that? If I'm not in that cab with him you cast tracy not let's as Henry Ford the second and there's a scene that I will just say we're Henry Ford. The second is in a car going very fast. You ready that was born. READY IT MR shelby and I'm watching that scene and I'm not sure if I'm watching eighteen. Henry Ford the second in a car or Tracy Letts and a car because it feels like what is happening is happening in real time and the actor and the character are both panicked by what is happening. Well I I don't know the Tracy was really panicked but I will say that Tracy was using what the what we were giving him and he did play the scene he we took him for Mr Toads wild ride in that car and And kept the camera running after it stopped you mentioned this kind of comparison into movie making so if Carroll Shelby is he the producer and director will these parallels are in perfect meaning inning that I mean the really interesting story about Carroll Shelby's younger years yeah in that to Matt Damon plays. The movie is That he had heart condition and and didn't know it and in the height of his racing career was alerted that if he ever raced again he die so he had to quit racing and so all that ambition and drive and and risk seeking all had to get pushed into design and salesmanship and so in many ways his relationship with Christians character. Ken Miles can it becomes a kind of surrogate for him. who gets to do what he can't do anymore? But when you ask the question of the studio yeah I guess I guess. I guess Ken could be the difficult actor. and Shelby is the producer slash director trying to hold it all together deliver the message he wants but I'll have to deal with the suits and all their are unusual demands at the same time. Nothing about my trunk. And your loved Portmanteau. You're holding the sixty two edition of the sea. You can stick this Ludi sticker with some pain seems to be the problem billion. It really isn't just doing my job. Fill fill in my experience. The various listen to me something like this. There's always a middle ground. All Right Kim satellite module. Understand you are. You know how he gets on race day that she's not gonNA teach you over trump. We're talking with James Mangold angled about his new movie Ford v Ferrari so when you're thinking about the sound design of the film you have the elements of racing and the motor sounds. Screeching you know pavement. That was kind of things and then you have score. What was the overall design of the sound of the film? Well my team and I put a lot of effort and sound every movie but this is the kind of movie where your people are are going to notice And I say that because you sound is such a character in racing itself you know. A Ferrari does not sound like a Ford and each to their braking systems are exclusive to those cars and each road is different. Gravel hard pavement oil pavement Is it echoing in a stadium. Situation situation is at a wide open road. Is it raining All these things have huge effect also all the power tools and welders and lifts and all that stuff is really really fun on a on the sound level of a picture and you forget the wind chassis rattling and so it kind of comes naturally that the picture becomes a symphony What we were most focused on though was not the snap is but really kind of creating the personality of these cars and again we wanted to place issue in the car and we want the sound to do the same thing? This is well before there are any women racing and there any women working at Ford Motor Company and and there are a lot of guys in suits and there are a lot of guys in fireproof suits racing cars. There's a lot of guys. How do you make sure that even though that is historically what is happening the name that this is not testosterone and cars that there is an aspect of family and parenting that? It's not just about guys racing cars and men being men well. I don't think I I think in the end. You don't ever make dramatic decision just on the sheer basis of kind of mixing up the sexes. You WanNa make it make sense for the story story because in a way the best statement I could make about how backward the world was then in terms of sexism is to really show how segregated it was so that that it's like I don't WanNa Ameliorate rate that on one side and lose the sense of the audience that man that was a white guy's world then but if the second part you're asking about it was really important I'm telling Ken storied. His family was critical and his family story was critical and Katrina. Balfour Noah Joop. We had phenomenal actress to play His family family and I think bring a lot of heart but also Katrina is tough and and real and this is ten miles wife as she plays Mollie Ken wiles a- and and she's just phenomenal in the part custom a-. Help you miss wasn't that an MJ fifteen hundred. You know you like them loved soundly. Make what goes right through you. gration second type of girl Eliah Lia Smell Besley you some kind of a deviant Cincinnati and. Let me ask you this last question. You teach film and is there a scene that you would teach out of Ford versus Ferrari that might have been really difficult scene to pull off that you think you could talk about in a classroom. And what would that talk about. And what would you pick well usually when I do a class. I'll actually pick a fairly simple. Seen that is directors. It's not always the stuff that everyone notices with flying camera flying through the window or through a keyhole that is filmmaking. It's actually actually. How do you handle a kitchen scene? Or how do you handle You know one of my favorite scenes in the picture is very simple. It's just Christian and Matt in a in a Mexican diner discussing the future of the movie. But it's like for me what I treasure and what value is how well a director does those simple things because the other stuff is all previous to the nine second unit. SPLICING IT UP. CG can come in and fix whatever you broke but just human beings beings moving around. You know one of the things. I think Steven Spielberg never gets acknowledgement for because his movies are so so spectacle oriented. Usually is that. No one's better removing the actors around just a simple scene of indie Jones packing before he goes off across the Atlantic is a is a tapestry of blocking crosses move closer to camera away from camera. That's what I try and focus on is how much you can do with. How Little James? Thanks so much for coming. On the pleasure event that was James Mangold his film Ford Versus Ferrari opens on November fifteenth up. Next on the frame on veterans today's vets turned to ancient Greek dramas to help tell their own stories. I'm John Horn and this is the frame. Here's our final story today. And it's about Veterans Day. It starts with this question. Ken Stories spoken thousands of years ago. Help today's veterans process there warfare experiences in Los Angeles a group vets are updating and performing Greek dramas Almas about war. The ancient wisdom helps them feel that they're not alone in suffering their traumas and moving the plays to present day. La Helps them feel more or at Home Isaiah Murtaugh prepared this story on the warrior. Bards George Kantar. Where's his gray hair? Long he's got a white beard Hazel eyes that hide a treasure trove stories. He reads his poetry and the room gets quieter. The air gets thicker or on the tarmac. Waiting for the plane. Hit the thumb of the chopper. Laura load off the dead grim reminders wasted grotesque PSOMAS of the dead back in Nineteen seventy-one. Kentaro was just eighteen. He left home hopped the bird and went to the Republic of Vietnam he got shipped off to be a combat combat medic and nothing eventful happened there except for a couple of firefights them incoming and the spring offensive in nineteen seventy two But even a couple of firefights had a lasting impact. I remember when I'm fighting to tell you the truth. If I'm threatened back then it comes back very strongly and it puts me into defense mode. Kentaro joined the screen actors guild. I was in apocalypse now go. He's a soldier chaotic nighttime battle scene. A friendly boat passes by and he jumps into the river screaming at the top of his lungs. They own cries that. Vote your son without him. Now cantero's home at least in body to help himself. He'll from Vietnam. He acts writes and plays a little music. uresolved both sides to Haiti's land. We dread I hear the THUMP thump thump of the choppers and screaming inside my head can tear and about a dozen other. US military vets have been working since August on an original feeder production. They are reworking for our time. Three thousand year old Greek war dramas Nate grazer organize. Is this group to help veterans. Tell their stories. And there's something that's happens in a human soul when you've sort of seen the worst that you can treat each other grazer says that when soldiers come home from war. They don't always come all the way home because they haven't really dealt with what they went through. You have to re enter her society as the new person and figure out a way to make sense of your experience and you now in a world that You see differently vein. The ancient Greek plays were Cathartic then and they still are these plays were developed as like an ancient tool. For helping UNPACK and process war or in homecoming act one scene one phil stands outside the Warrior bards meat in the basement. Classroom the cluster around table. Turn off the main lights in the room and work in low light. They read through drafts of their stories. Kentaro is the lead in a scene adopted from the Greek War Tragedy Phil. RTD's that one's about a war veteran with a foot injury on the island of Lemnos this time instead of lemnos it's the streets of skid row instead of a foot injury it's homelessness. His scene opens with a TV reporter thinking the soldier for his service. Don't thank me value. Me Value US bumperstickers flags waving your houses. They don't house us. We fought wars. What have you fought for? Certainly not us. The scene ends when a rep from the veterans administration visits him outside his tent on the sidewalk in skid row. She's played by another former combat medic. Mia Rivera you've been by yourself out here. The whole time is a veteran in a tent. Not Too far from where you're sitting for a couple of years. Ten burned down in front of me with him in it ever saw. Who let the match? Uh Bill go silent news with him in silence if you know that ask them I story then listen close. It might help to bring them back all the way. We Stan upon the tarmac lamenting for our friends. At jeter is in silence. The bird takes us home. That story Roy was produced by Isaiah. Murtaugh he's a graduate student at the Annenberg School of journalism for more Information Visit Warrior Bards Dot Org. And if you want to hear a great album that was recorded in collaboration with veterans checkout. Mary Gauche as rifles and Rosary beads. Raffle O. ooh GP Hall to would not me and that's the frame for today I'm John Horrid the Mon Broadcast Center at K._A._B._C.. We'll see you back here tomorrow. BAFFLES and Ralph.

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Ford v Ferrari (2019)  aka Le Mans 66 | James Mangold

The Qwipster Film Review Podcast

15:59 min | 8 months ago

Ford v Ferrari (2019) aka Le Mans 66 | James Mangold

"Hi Welcome to quit. Stir Film Review. podcast my name is Vince. Leo So I am the author of the Film Review Website. Webster Dot net. I've I have to check out over. Four thousand of my written reviews and read their anytime tipster dot net is where to go Q. W. I. P. S. t. e. Ktar dot net while you're there doing urge you to check out my podcast that covers films of the Nineteen Eighty S. It is called around the world in eighty s movies and you can find the link linked to that at my website. quitter DOT net today. I'm going to be looking at a film that has gotten pretty much rave critical reviews all across the board. It's called Ford v Ferrari or Ford versus for our if you prefer. I'm not sure why it's called for. Be Ferrari since it's not a court case but maybe that's just what we call things nowadays nowadays in other parts of the world. It's called Lamar Sixty six and it is a PG thirteen rated film it does have some language and peril in it. The run time is two hours and thirty two minutes. The main stars are Matt Damon and Christian. Bale Katrina both. Tracy Letts John Lucas. John Byrne Thaw Noah now at Joop and Ray McKinnon are also in the film. James Mangold is the director screenplay credited to Jez. Butterworth John Henry Butterworth and Jason Keller Hiller now James Mangold he really. If you've followed his career he does a lot of character driven dramas in addition to I guess more recently the Wolverine and Logan but this is getting back to those character dramas Ford V. Ferrari it's a true story. It had been kicked around in Hollywood as possible full motion picture for decades before it actually was made here. Mangold was particularly keen. To see it. Come to life. He had first heard of it back in twenty eleven but he put it aside he. He ended up doing the Wolverine and that led to attempts by other filmmakers Michael Man Joseph Kosinski there were stars were attached to it at one time or another back in two thousand thousand nine Brad Pitt wanted to star in it. Tom Cruise in twenty thirteen mangold ended up looking for it. When he was done with Logan he ended up scooping it up back in twenty seventeen gene? Because he wanted to distance himself from filmmaking that was based on someone else's pre-established intellectual property for his next feature. The problem would be trying to find into studio. That was going to fund car racing movie that is not an over the top actioner like the fast and furious films. Twentieth Century Fox was in the middle of being acquired by Disney Snee-. That may have been what made them make a fairly bold decision here bolder than customary to fund a film that ended up costing just short of one hundred million dollars in budget. James Mangold set to work from the script that was written for Michael Mansfield attempt to bring it to life in two thousand eleven. That was by jazz and John Henry. Butterworth that script was itself. A streamlining of Jason Keller version from two thousand nine. That version split the story between Ford and Ferrari team equally but the butterworth script incorporated incorporated elements including the name of the twenty. Ten book called. Go like hell that was going to be the name of the movie like Hell Ford Ferrari and their battle for speed aid and glory at Lemond by Aj Beim. The Butterworth's knew that they were probably too many people to split time between Ferrari and Ford. They wanted in this era to make it much more economically so they ended up concentrating. Just on the Ford side of things in money and in runtime mangold came into it in twenty any seventeen and he wanted a little bit more streamlined than that he wanted to make a film about two of the main characters and their friendship specifically and that would lead up to one lemond races as the base of the story instead of this very sprawling right stuff type epic that focused on every person involved over many years now most afford versus Ferrari surround the events leading up to France's illustrious twenty four hours of Lemond auto racing event and mostly glosses over for its losses in nineteen. He's sixty four thousand nine hundred sixty five as roads poorly chosen by them so we ended up starting with Carroll Shelby played by Matt Damon. He's a former elite race car driver. The first I American drivers to win it Lemond who retires into designing race cars and he also coaches the next generation of elite racers. After he finds out he has heart disease. He's he's considered a maverick by many of his contemporaries. His services were sought after when the Ford Motor Company who were attempting to brand their vehicles to younger people who want more stylishness and sex appeal in the cars that they buy Ford plan to acquire the financially struggling Ferrari back in nineteen sixty three those plants and falling three Greece spectacularly leaving both sides feeling insulted Ford ended up wanting to show up Ferrari and the world that they are more than just a company that can mass I produced family. Vehicles Shelby was hired on to build. What would come to be known as the Ford? Gt Forty model trying to maximize power and minimize weight and Drag Act to be the fastest race car on earth at least in the racing circuit anyway. Now thinning himself way down after plumping himself up to play Dick. Cheney advised Christian Bale here he worked with James Mangold on the remake of the Western three ten to Yuma that was back in two thousand seven. Here he is playing British racecar driver. Ken Miles Miles Miles sought here by shelby to test out his designs to give the Ford Company. A chance to come out on top in this grudge match with Ferrari miles is skilled at what he does. But Henry Ford the Second Henry Ford Junior wants him replaced by someone less of a loose cannon and who is willing to tow the Ford Line to the media can wife Molly played by Katrina Boffin. His son Peter play by Noah joop feel ambivalence about his quest to be the best. They want him to bring home the Bacon to be sure but they're also afraid that he'll be another casualty in the car. Racing arena arena. WHO Doesn't get out of his car? In time. Shelby has to weigh his friendship and knowledge. That miles is the best shot to actually win with the needs of his funders but they want want to promote their brand and they feel that miles is just not the man to do it now I had over two and a half hours Ford. v Ferrari is long film. Just right for some maybe too long for others. But the instances I think where it drags are very few mangled first cut of the film did run over four hours in length. He knew that would have to be cut his best edit of everything that he wanted to capture he winded it down to three hours and fifteen minutes and that was still too long for your commercial entertainment released at cost. Nearly one hundred a million dollars to make so two hours would too much so he split the difference by making the best two and a half hour film that he could and by best though he means a film that will satisfy most audiences of isn't necessarily gear heads. He felt that the gear heads would want a lot of technical information. A lot of historical reenactments. That really don't len whale to crafting a commercially successful product for theaters. If you look under the hood. This is a crowd-pleasing effort it's meant to leave. Most customers satisfied with their a purchase. It's not striving to be the perfect vehicle that will drive the company that produced it to. It's knees it is definitely meant to make some money not to save money on taxes and moving an appointment around much of the locale work for the track racing took place in a couple of states Georgia with some specific shots like the grandstand. That was done in Iowa. Dual say California -Fornia the State of California expanded the tax production credit back in two thousand eighteen that made it much more lucrative to make films in the state. There was a five year your extension just during the filmmaking to lower back the industry for a longer term they had to piece together racist at took place in different locales at different times day under variety of weather conditions. That was a real challenge to edit altogether but it does end up seeming seamless in the final product for most viewers who are not going to be complete nitpickers as two-time time in place on top of all this all of the cars do carry very distinct sounds and sound sometimes that is different performing at different speeds in performing different maneuvers. Whether you're at ground zero inside the car or in the pit or on television so it was a real masterwork of getting all of the car. Sounds right and you couple all of that fantastic sound design with the stellar cinematography here and some very skillful editing. And you will see that. This is a very well oiled machine running both on on the screen and off although this is a sports movie I think this is a story. That doesn't easily conform to a traditional genre mold. It does develop the four-team mm-hmm as the underdogs to a certain extent compared to Ferrari. But there really isn't that emphasis on winning and losing for the main protagonist so much as trying to challenge themselves to be the best at everything that they do. Ferrari here is kind of the antagonise but not so much. They're really more of a challenger that they have to overcome to be winners is the real heavies of the film. Come from within four itself embodied in Leo baby who is a real life person. He was. Ford's micromanaging senior vice president. Then he seems to be trying to undermine the maverick style of shelby to try to get them to conform to the corporate vision that he feels necessary to the company's ultimate goal of selling more cars. The film could have readily been called perfection vs profit to show the tug of war for what people should be striving to achieve when they pour all of their time or their energy in the resources sources in to whatever. They're trying to do mangled and his screenwriters really do bring a softer and quieter side to this potentially macho story. They showcase the home life of Ken Miles with his wife and young son. You know filmmaker with less clout might have left out all of that domestic drama in concentrated solely on the business side of the corporate dealings to try to break up on the ATTRAC- action but mangled knows that we have to care more about the individual people so are caring for Ken. Miles himself and his family makes his scenes. Go from the exciting. But to really nail biters because we have stakes in the well being of this man under the helmet and for that we're willing to indulge in some of the excess in the story for the sake of making in this a smooth ride even as the vehicle slows down in the post race finale. Try to sell the movie as an emotional drama much more so than when that's interested in sporting history still. I think all would be not without these actors to round out these characters that we need investment into as something more than just eat cleanly drawn archetype Matt Damon here. He was influenced to take this role because he wanted to work with mangled and specifically Christian. Bale he does very well in centering. The film with intelligence and Grit even though we don't get enough background on Carroll Shelby two honestly know what makes him really tick the fact. Is that many who knew him. Considered him kind of an enigma. So I guess that's kind of fitting eating. He's caught between conflicting interests here as a salesman and as somebody who genuinely cared about making his car designs the best possible Christian Bale here. He's the heart of the film. His his scenes with his family do manage to pay off and making miles a bit of a folk hero. Where the routing on is he drives everyone up the ball to achieve on the track perfection? I don't think enough Kudos are really going with these big high profile actors to Tracy Latte who plays Henry Ford. He provides just the right counterweight to give the impression of power while also feeling like he might be in a little bit over his head in running the top automobile company in the world at that time Katrina. Both she delivers the spunky appeal. He'll in her role as the adoring and supportive wife and their would. You does a great job. As the white eyed young son their roles feel a little bit manufactured compared to the rest from a Hollywood assembly. Line signed to broaden the film's sell through but it does work for versus. Ferrari is a film about racing. But it's also in its way about cinema itself. James Mangold is not a racing fan or at least he wasn't before going into this project and he didn't know the full story before he took it on but he did deliver some insight by making this drama on the screen being very similar to what he probably has to deal with off the screen as director in the world of racing. Some people do it for love and others do things for publicity and money in the film making process. It's pretty much the same mangled here. He wants to make the best movie that he can while he's also pleasing those who put up the money to sell the picture to earn as much money in prestigious. You just possible for their studio and their brand now. Mangled may not know as much about racing. But I'm sure. He identified with the plight of the automobile purists like Ken Miles. Enzo Ferrari who are figures who strove for perfection. At the cost of financial security. The Ford Motor Company is very much run a major Hollywood studio. They want sales els above all else but also to show that they can make something of exceptional quality once in a while and that's going to further increase the appeal of their brand carroll shelby he was known to be a bit a storyteller in real life. He's Kinda like director like Mangold. He has to take into account the perspective of those who are actually putting the money millions of dollars for them to succeed but he also has to try the line for those who are in his care who are in the business for the love of it now. Historians may come out quibbling at some of the liberties taken by Hollywood here here. Henry Ford the second never really got into a car and he didn't get scared out of his wits by Carroll Shelby Shelby never really bet his entire company on the outcome some of particular race miles. and Shelby's disagreements never devolved into wrench throwing or fistfights and ends Ferrari was not even in attendance at Lamont in nineteen sixty fifty six so documentary re-creations usually not what Ford v Ferrari is about which is to bend whatever facts are necessary to make audiences feel something to laugh to cry hi to cheer to applaud that all of the appropriate times and to come out feeling it was time and money well spent. That's what mangled is set out to achieve. And I do think he gets the film right right where it should count making a very highly repulsive dramatically intense racing film part of this due to nailing down these characters and the characterizations your motivations their stakes emotional stakes up are interested in seeing what happens out on the racetrack. To and the racing scenes themselves are stylish without growing too stylized to distract from the drama. And we get the emotion here from several vantage points. Were inside the car with Ken. Miles were in the pit. Were in the spectators box. And we're in with miles anxious his family listening or viewing the race back home along with them. The Ford v Ferrari is not a high precision race. Car is a movie however. It's not something made for the purest who who will never really love anything less than perfection. But what perfect is will vary in the minds of every purist so. You can't really please all of the people all of the time it's a lot like the Ford Mustang which gets featured in the film. It's not the best car that could ever be made but it is the best car that they could make that many people would want. This is a vehicle. Michael meant to sell to those who are not looking for perfection but in an enjoyable experience not a documentary to story to get us out of the ride feeling exhilerated and and a film made both to please those putting up the money for it in the studio and at the box office so in that regard it's a success even if purists like the racing using experts and historians who winced at just about everything the film might get wrong will not find the perfection that the expect from their racing entertainment. So as long as you're not nitpicky I think that four hundred Ferrari is an entertaining film all the way through even at two and a half hours and when I will recommend at three and a half stars out of four three and a half stars on my skill skill means that I do think that this is a good film and definitely worth going out of your way to see if this material at all sounds of appeal to you. Thanks everyone for listening. I hope that you enjoyed wait. This review if you have your own thoughts on Ford Ferrari that you want to impart you can write me. You can find my contact information on my website. That's I quit sir. Dot Net Q.. W. I p. t. e. r.. Talknet we can have links to my twitter feed my facebook page my instagram or just my email check that all out equity dot net until next time. Thanks everyone for listening. Please enjoy your time anytime you go to the movie.

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ACS (Part 1): Matt Damon, Christian Bale, and James Mangold

The Adam Carolla Show

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ACS (Part 1): Matt Damon, Christian Bale, and James Mangold

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News Bald Bald Bryan on sound effects and around the rotten tomatoes game and now we can go back to laughing at ball Brian and Adam Karol on got to get it on no choice at all to an end thanks I sharing pick show playing today good day Gina Grant handled right I'm GonNa Make Fun you later we can't forget that all right so couple things first off I heard that song for I'm not talk England Dan and John Ford Coley that's super-popular when I was eleven or something and I never got the I'm not talking about moving in guy I'd never move in moving in didn't mean anything to me like I'm talk inbound moving up moving stuff right I'm not gonNA rent tra- but I do WANNA come uh-huh over to not do something that rhymes with truck my whole life I'm not talking about Meridian what I couldn't I didn't know what moving in growing up with star wars obviously was not talking about millennium moving in it's a weird thing this horn into that melodic whatever and it's very pelote Hawaii when you're writing a song anyway so much I got a subtle Mike August story I have a little bit effective either hair question yes is this story that you're Harris telling that you just jumped in the pool I did I did go in the Pool Gel Jail Jalen wet from the pool it is wet from the pool and there is this is a genus of you're correct it is now now I'm now at the point when I'm I swim with my head out on the way to the deep end and there's down steam coming out of my mouth that I'm at that point where I'm blowing the steam out and then then it's underneath for the underwater swim to the other the other end because it is now officially cold outside the night right where I am all right so so much to get into Mike thing so I'm GonNa rely on you guys with a with a lean toward ball Brian well I'm GonNa talk to James Mangold today and if you have a question I will feel that in or he will feel that I'll set it up to him so I am going later today when we hang up here to the Petersen Automotive Museum and I'm going to interview Matt Damon and Christian Bale and James Mangold and then will marry it to this show and then you guys show show here that in theory I always wore I always have this there's always he's a little part of my mind that goes one of them's going to be there somebody got sick or somebody whatever but we are going and I am going to go talk to those guys it's about this movie that for I've been thinking about for a number of years because I was involved with it now it's a little bit tricky because the book walk go like hell which is a AJ Bain book who's a really good writer arsenal of democracy these are very good books very very informative books feature throughout the documentary right he was the guy who was kind of telling the story and the twenty four hour war that book was optioned for years his go like hell book was optioned for years and then at the end they didn't renew it and then they made the movie so it's a little that doesn't and sounds a little bit of a lawsuit floating around and I don't I don't know if anyone wants to go down that probably bring that up with that that's your so so and then the doc I made had aj in it was based loosely on the book so it's it's it's it's it's an interesting kind of cross pollination position there so there's that to get into perhaps or not also and I don't know if you guys have any Christian Bale questions or Matt Damon Questions uh-huh but if you if you'd like what a down at some point I'll bring with you and I'll try to weave it in the question for James Mangold James Mangold who do you think is hotter Matt Damon naming her Christian Bale sorry so then the subtle Micah and then we'll we'll play rotten tomatoes and do the news as well we'll try to cobble the whole Show together now the Funny Subtle Mike August I'm very interested in people not knowing doing what I'm asking or what I'm talking about or what I mean there's sometimes he'll say to people you know like you'll it you'll say to somebody oh how do you want that steak and go well done and they'll go well you want a ton of steak geico basic misunderstanding of just the fact why would I ask like now I know university the next sense everything just context context context context context you know what people do you know kind of the rhythms of what they're saying they invert things they flip flop things they speak and the wrong name comes out of the mouth but you know who were talking about do you know what I mean what we're I feel like when you're tuned in you don't you don't have to stop people time and if there's somebody if there's somebody name Dave and somebody's talking fast about Dave and Dave's late Dave showed up and David at some point they go then I come back and dancer sitting in the lobby is I is not even say that person like a new story I know the context I know what you're talking about I follow I'm listening I so how many people like Oh what they stopped I said to we're sitting on a flight to Vegas and I said to Mike How's your wife's insurance business us doing and he said that's all right just kind of breaking even or whatever his wife Doreen she real nice lady and she's she's a hard worker her and I liked that and I said she going in every day and he goes oh yeah she's six days going six days a week Monday through through Friday and She goes in on Sunday and I said her she goes in on Sunday why not when going on Saturday and he goes you've got to have one day off be with the kids like I'm not saying why not seven days a week you crave I'm like why does your wife work every single day all the time I'm saying it's weird to go into the office on Sunday versus a lot of people put in a Saturday right and then Sunday's with the Lord's death so when I said when he she goes in on Sunday night go why not Saturday he's like you got to have one day the question is why Sunday no Saturday not why not Saturday to say see I didn't burn the calories of saying instead Sunday Lear uh-huh right because I think you know the yeah I would never say to anybody why does your spouse work every single day why would never say by by the way juxtapose the my wife are you kidding me I'd be judging but they're still one day in the week she could be working she's leaning she can be Clean Lina so I don't burn the calories of saying why not this instead of that I can just go why not Saturday because within this conversation you should know what I mean you shouldn't yeah that is me saying why doesn't she work every single that that's absurd premise grandma also coming from me because I do that I don't know I know people like my wife doesn't work other people's wives do work like I never go like every why's your wife working every single day my wife's on the roof of our house right now writing asphalt every damn night and also so it is peculiar to work five days a week and Sundays that's also you know the context of this question because you you you phrased it this way right so what I say what's wrong with Saturday I cannot be about doing it seven days a week after we talk about the norm which is a lot of people do work Saturdays Saturdays but rarely is anyone on this ladder we cut to home in August is his wife like how was the trip out almost every day of the week Jesus Jesus Christ at a yellow talk about why you don't work enough do you ever adjust for your audience since you know what you're getting when you deal with Mike I yeah that's really on you and it's many years come on I felt like this was pretty I think it's it's rare that people have a pattern where they you just go into work on Sunday and not on Saturday unless there's some religious some religions involved and just you know he just said Saturday when when I yelled at him and then we drilled down a little too said Saturday's more the kids activities name which is a fine answer I'm just saying he picked a weird rhythm I questioned why should the rhythm to bring it to a normal rhythm which is some people do work Saturdays and I didn't feel like I need but evidently I I must learn the lesson I did valuable lesson from this I try to save a couple syllables going in and then I wasted complaining when he when he screws it up if you're GONNA pay for those double that's right all right so I also apropos to something which is our drive to the airport can we make a rule two we make a rule that when you're driving at a fast pace on a on a street street a main street like thirty five miles an hour speed limit if you're gonNA go fifty on that street which by the way I encourage and harassed by why but if you're going to be hauling ass like on occasion there's the street out in front of US people will haul ass three you'll be poking out to turn right they're coming at you in the distance fat you're not allowed to honk go hey what's up yeah because you're driving and increase speed that is closing this thing up faster right so you're allowed to drive fast but you can't have an attitude about it because the reason we're having this little issue poking out your coming up on me because you're going twice as to speed limit so we're on the way to the airport I'm in the left lane we're doing thirty four thirty five I start to go into the right lane gene and as I start to go I see my review someone's doing fifty like they're coming up fast so I go right back into my life I don't get into the lane I start it to go there I don't even know if I break the line and then I slide back into whatever as the person passes me they lay on the horn and give me the look now hey bitch I fixed it I fixed it i George or something and then I went back I saw you I went back still the necessity the honk as you're going by it was awesome though that a few moments later they got caught up in a left turn lane and laying on the horn good then on the way the retribution horn back on the way back Mike was like poking out of the jets we'd X. Parking parking lot or whatever and there was kind of a weird intersection where you think there'd be a stop sign but there wasn't so mike was like poking out and then he was like Oh this is there is no stop sign and he stopped the car and then the guy who went and turned just came the stink guy in game the horn the whole time I'm saying when you fix your behavior you should not be allowed to honk at that behavior was corrected right hornsby punitive I fucked up and you've got to know about it or like hey watch out thereabouts again deal there's no sour necessary sooner or that kind of thing I hope you learned your lesson right well it strange when you're speeding and someone's going to slide into the lane in front of you being me and then sees you and goes back so we've we've completed pleaded this transaction right when you go when you go past me actually I'm on your side I saw you moved back what was your Pathak this weird right all right it's very selfish all right we have the rotten tomatoes game I was GONNA say Jesus Christ I was thinking about aw thinking about my my world so it's off to the Peterson to talk to Christian Bale Damon McCain McCain mangled then Mike Lynch meets me at the Peterson then we drive back from the Peterson he's flying in and we work on the book because we're in the car it's a long haul back to my house then Mike Lynch sleep then Mike Lynch sleeps over my house and then we get up at six and we take off at six six thirty to drive down to Fontana to do Jay Leno's garage Mike Lynch it's back into the car and we'd work on the book to Find Hannah Than Mike Lynch does whatever in Montana Works on the book sleeps we get back in the car back from Fontana Hannah Oh so you come into the event oh I didn't know that's coming out here for for the only little I heard about it on the list so then he gets back we get our we come back to where I live and then that night get back in the car we work on the book when we're in the car and we go to last ball Brian and then do do comedy shut and then back in the car work on the book backup that's that's that's my schedule your work on a Saturday right on Sunday I'm telling you there's so much downtime in the car now if you you guys come up with something constructive to do it ain't downtime anymore I literally had the thought I didn't really consider it but it flashes my mind today because recording on a Friday lasted about Brian's tomorrow I'm obsessively trying to get prepared for myself and my hosting whatever and I'm thinking like should I go to work today so we're GONNA have like five minutes he'll I really work on you know the outline the show the whole thing and it's like now that's a waste of money but it was thirty five minutes I've really tax deductible Aaron backed by the way seventy minutes out probably somebody when a few years ago a friend of mine we were driving and it was my car and I'm driving driving and I just had a lot of my mind and I was trying to work and stuff out and they said the most generous thing that ever heard that I'd never would have thought of me to drive so you can think that was really nice things to try and figure out there there's a lot I remember years ago we're working on one of the books we were driving from I dunno spokane to Seattle or something I can't remember where but we had a long haul and Mike Lynch was in the car and Lynch's in the car and I was in the car and Mike August I was reading the book my book while I was driving along we're like commenting or whatever that's important here you got to hear the book Oh my mine God everybody here here your book because that's what I'm doing what I'm in the car you may not agree with your reading done this but when I read my book like at the end of uh read it to myself you mind just correct things like there's just gloss over things like oh I think subliminally like oh I know what I meant yes there is that if someone else reads it to you how air now I'm telling you pick question is Mike is not hardy stock doc Mike Lynch he's got aired he's GonNa get carsick in that car yeah he does he normally reads to me from his desk on a computer and I'm in the car Dr I'm worried about him getting carsick and put them back seat and work on it and I'll crack a window head up right so let's see we got the rotten tomatoes game to play yes yes let me hit the Castro first and then we'll roll into that stronger under pressure engines can lose up to ten percent percenter performance due to friction we don't want that castrol edge with fluid titanium transforms under pressure three times times stronger then leading full synthetic against viscosity breakdown edge formula always exceeds toughest industry standards it is the best it is castrol castrol edge everybody all right shall we play the rotten tomatoes game in the game to know Fran so before we dive into the Ford v Ferrari interviews we're going to dedicate dedicate this game to one of the film's stars American Hero Matt Damon We all know Matt Damon is no stranger to being part of an all star cast back in the early two thousands he and a few up incomers by the names of Clooney pit and Robert Scott Together for a series of high stakes heist movies so we're GonNa talk about the first sequel two thousand four Xlt Ocean's twelve closing closes love really great we got you let's see Ocean's eleven then there was ocean's twelve then I didn't mind the oceans eight or whatever they all chick version now that was not a good movie no it's not good but I'm saying I didn't mind it because people are good looking and it's always kind of style is very and stuff and there's some movies that are good but sorta hard to watch and then they're movies that are bad had an easier to watch and plane movies the all chick version is is easy easy to watch but you should watch it anyway all right so so ocean's eleven what's the one where they started by threatening to throw Elliott Gould off the building at this one other thirteen that's thirteen so that was was bad this is the one where they raise a building right in Venice to get underneath that I think yeah someone so this is the one that was the first first one was good the second was bad and then this is the one that angered me because George Clooney said yes this one was bad that I think with thirteen eighteen good okay oh I'm giving you guys too much information okay I got angry at thirteenth illegitimately great seen actually Roberts's character impersonated Julia Roberts in the film like hey you look just like Julia Roberts and then I kind of liked the look at it themselves Bruce Willis the early who do Julia Roberts it's pretty great all right all right four okay it's a very charisma to cast and for that I say fifty two yeah this is a really middling movie but I think it had goodwill 'cause it was the same writer director Steven Soderbergh all the same cast everyone loved the first one so I I think it'll goodwill bump I went seventy six I sure as hell hope Adams right because I two said fifty two ocean twelve is rotten good fifty fifty five okay also you know those movies where within the plot of the movie they reveal something meaning it was ocean's Ocean's eleven I think or maybe thirteen or whatever it is but at some point they had some magical elixir that Matt Damon Ca Dab on that would make all women attracted to you no matter adder what must have been thirteen seaview can now because he had a big nose on at the depersia right now is on on with those earning thirteen so at some point they're like hey how are we going to seduce this woman like how are we gonna get her naked or whatever and it's like here take this little vile it works every time they show him like Dab it on and then you hear the chimes the wind chimes she's Let me help you with that belt when you're watching the movie you're like hey you got that Elixir Elixir you don't need what's in the vault right now billionaire movie they run the world you're cured cancer these essentially if you have that Elixir you can sell that too about the vaults you'll have a bidding war by every major drug company on the planet and you will get a you'll get twenty times just worth what's in that Vault Austin powers at a good job of lampooning that whole concept whereas like I'm gonNA ransom for a million dollars Sir makes twenty billion dollars a year yeah the Gilroy fair ammonia is what it was called and Yes again stop the movie forget what's in the vault we got what's in the vial all right sorry here we go speaking of high stakes are next film is all about poker co written by friend of the pod Brian Koppelman Lina Damon goes all in to take down the enigmatic KGB played by John Malkovich whatever your guests is don't splash the pot it's one thousand nine hundred rounders don't sleep on Ed Norton and rounders no worm good movie I love this movie and it's also one of those movies with Koppelman where you go man that's writing eating like I I look at Rom coms horror movies I could write that but when you get to the real technical stout you go someone's gotTa write that where have you gone Gretchen Mol yeah all right this is a good movie intelligence moving people should like this movie but are we talking low seventies talking high eighties you know I really don't know there's nothing to the thing that's frustrating strating is is when it comes in seventy one you go really that many people to set it was below a C. minus surprise how do you how do you how do you not watch us moving just go yeah it's good sunshine the good and the bars sixty percent right so it's like I don't get why all movies like this why wouldn't they just be one hundred percents is everyone goes what's a good enough to yeah it's a C. or B. minus or whatever plus like why wouldn't it just be one hundred percent but it never as dont`a Taros greatness all right who's the old deal who was in Toronto Misdemeanors I'm blanking on his name oh I'll figure I'll figure it out in a second he was he was yeah he was in the original the old Jew from crimes and mister negative was the the original mission impossible no shit I he was he was in the TV mission impossible. I'm pretty sure googling told you we can all see as we can all see mine Landau Martin Landau savings originally in the mission impossible TV for all right you guys locked in hold on he was Martin Lyn Allison number all right I got eighty one I I think it's payback is kind of a cult classic I don't know if it was reviewed great upon release seventy three seventy four rounders fresh at sixty five in high and the people have it at eighty seven it's a really good movie why why sixty five like what what what's in it first off there's no surprises I I mean in terms of oh I thought it was going to be this kind of that kind of movie like it it is an advertising a lot of good performances good intrigue and why not people people had at eighty seven all right here we go well director Doug Lyman yeah directed the Bourne identity for the sequel director Paul Greengrass Green Grass stepped in giving the film a grittier someone say more nauseating handheld Paul Greengrass is Great Matt Damon reprises his role of Jason Born for two thousand three sequel equal in the Bourne supremacy I'm shocked at how many Damon movies I haven't seen first one was good second good to this this is a good example of a AH trilogy were all three movies work I love the third one all right Dan I'm but was this one that's good I'm lazy I wanNA saving so I just went eighty-one again any seven seventy seven for the first time in a few weeks we have a five point deduction that's me long time the Bourne supremacy is fresh at eighty one knew that eighty one wow points yeah I need to mount speaking of great directors is there anyone better than the Coen brothers and people have it at ninety I I think I think critics are they judge action movies and comedies ace like to to to harsh good what what is this kind of action movie to be a wise it below it it just should be one hundred percent because it's above sixty percent for everybody right in two thousand ten the Coen brothers took on a classic John Wayne Western recasting Jeff bridges alongside Damon and featuring a breakout performance from newcomer Hailee Steinfeld Adam always preaches about the importance of Grit How do you guys feel about True Grit I've only seen the original this is a movie that I really enjoyed and not everybody enjoyed waited as much as I enjoyed it this is my hateful eight which I enjoyed in this movie I really enjoyed is as well I thought bridges was great Haley Steinfeld is great that Matt Damon Mr La for whatever his name was with the beef we settled us so good stuff in there yeah but it's a remake of a classic so that's tough I mean good good performance I couldn't and figure out the end and we ever figure out the end your bump by the fact that she was reminiscent voice over like he died years later or some some time line there was a time line the thing that bumped me at the end which I couldn't figure out if we're in the past or the future that almost totally forgettable it's every hits the mark ARC com brothers hot bag and a B. but it's not bad for me just like in money or in one I f the other this is yes so again hateful hateful eight and this movie the two I like that you didn't spend speaking of Western James Mangold moving one movie I have not seen was a remake three ten to Yuma oh that's August let's get bail and I know you so bring that up that's a nice movie all right don't think the critics loved it but it's a good good movie with solid performances and a good cast and I'm worried a bet the people have it higher than the critics six but I still think it's a good movie sixty eight law this is where I met my comeback this is up for best picture going ninety one I split split the difference with Brian the movie how do you not interpret Brian by now in this game I get ten points just because it would brian never never give up my innocence better seventy five true grit is fresh at ninety six God dammit Charly Down I love this movie people have met yes the rug show that I did not lie I don't love this movie all the time and I'm looking at candidate Bryan knows he's very quiet very quiet Brian almost for this slip like this is up for best picture this movie I I love this movie but I thought they punish when they remake classics I thought they punish them sometimes I think true grits are sees me three ten to you must pretty high I think if if the if it's the right formula but the direct CUMBRAE Coen brothers man bad review God Damn I love this movie in our final film the Great Wall of China is under attack from wait for it alien monsters and only Matt Damon with his trusty esty bow and Arrow and a team of European mercenaries can fend off the CGI beasts and save the world or China or something two thousand seventeen the Great Wall Ninety nine or one hundred quit I'm sorry I have to say that this starring Matt Damon and Chinese Sneeze people all right that's great and the title Yeah All right this movie was only made for the Chinese market unfortunately there's no other reprint exists as wouldn't exist in Matt Damon wouldn't fight killer ants on top of an old wall I I have seen this movie defin- you have an advantage soup to nuts I've seen a lot okay because to get a drink I have I love Tair where you get me get me in maritime disaster movies at Sea World to at C. You got me and you always get me with giant killer insect movies noted always down with that edge tomorrow yes down always down with giant killer insect so I watch a lot it's really you know professionally made I trust throw me off Brian I never saw the boom mic once well you know crafted good CGI and all that kind of stuff now look there's people that can go zero here and and that that that's an interesting it's a bold move to close game but it's interesting you're five point deduction you know what I mean like you could go six but that's probably not going to get you the five you know what I mean had enough action in everything all right I'm going bald them zero well shit okay well with my Halloween costume circa nineteen ninety-two mark gray seventeen I was going to say eighteen and I wrote wrote twelve the Great Wall is rotten but not that run at thirty six runaway hit wow how must have been enough scared critics like scared of China critics are Chinese croutons yeah the landscape justic Yeah Oh yeah damn it the man had the lead the whole way but that thirty six points will come back to bite him g drag at sixty one you on the podium bald Bryan Investing Gina by two points fifty nine leaving Adam Corolla I deserve to win and when I say leaving Adam Karol I mean you left your gone seventy eight third-place Brian wins man and it should have been zero that's crazy whatever present well it should have been zero in the fact that just like rounder should be one hundred because again sixties the Mason Dixon line there's thirty thirty six percent of reviewers shouldn't have it fraction have an above that it was a horrible movie but I think maybe there was some Chinese folks involved with reviewing thing that it makes sense because how do you get that you know into the thirties it's it's easily at low teen single-digit Gitte move up all right all right check out the official Lakers podcast by the way on podcast one good podcasts on what's going on with the Lakers are back in in in rare former coming back into championship form all right we'll have yes real quick you thought come commonality between you and Three manual interviewing daymond mangled and bail you have all appeared at the Oscars. Oh not you on stage it'd be and one for writing ice-breaking Troy Christian Bale's run multiple Oscars I think James Mangled nominated for Writing Logan just a couple years ago all right the Moscow talk as Fellas has been the Oscars Multiple Times. Let's talk all right we will take ourselves a break we'll I'll have a Matt Damon and Christian Balance Mangled next and then we'll come back to that do from this long I stole all I found on the advocates curse and its eyes are just very life icon head keeps spinning ooh that is scary really scary missing out on GEICO's easy to use mobile app you can manage your vaco policy whenever Larry blacked played with another doll we can just bury it deep in the ground happy guy choline download the industry-leading Geico APP today at Metro the best deal in wireless is on switched to Metro get one full Amazon prime membership included every month plus get two free phones from top brands like Samsung and L. 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the ballpark and how much into cars ars or the sport or the hobby where you guys into before you started the film Matt You can start I wasn't which I think was a an asset because I along with the director we talked about that he he didn't ever fetish is the cars because he wasn't a car guy you know so you're you're always going just for story just for story and this is a really wonderful story that I think transcends cars and so people who aren't car people I think will really enjoy it yeah I totally agree it's a lot of heart in unlike any movie like rocky wasn't really a boxing movie right it's a movie about heart and overcoming versity and all the things and boxing becomes pardon the Pun the vehicle to justice express all that so Christian how about you I think more than some but nothing like you like I love it was a very bonding experience in between my dad himself we would watch Formula One when I was growing up one time got to go to brands hatch actually mind-blowing love the irrev- Alain Prost and Senna Nikki louder she'll Senate tragically dive on the TV show had that passed and was aware of Lemond as well so I knew shelby a new lemond but I didn't know Ken Miles Miles and I didn't know this story about sixty six Ken Miles after doing the documentary I just said the story is Ken miles like that's the crazy I mean everyone knew carroll shelby and a household name nobody knew Ken Miles and nobody knew the tragedy of that story and you know I don't want to spoil it but we could have done a whole movie on the ending yeah on on on just what happened to Ken Miles and how that works and how all people memories and they move on and you don't even know this character even amongst karn suzy s I would have to bring up the name Ken Miles and they I didn't know about it and I thought you did such amazing job playing him because he's so interesting quirky different kind of guy I think it was a real saving grace the guy was a very strong character would not compromise it this he was a real purist a real purist racer he considered himself first and foremost a a mechanic but was a phenomenal racer and that that search for this kind of perfect lap in this purity of experience was like his saving grace is absolutely Achilles heel as well he was constantly shooting himself in the foot winning by is losing the war completely Lee and now getting long in the tooth and not really having any opportunity until shelby recognized his friend if he would just shut up for once and let shelby just give him some some kind of strategy than he can put in there and the fact that these guys bloody did it they took on God in the form of Enzo Ferrari body one it's phenomenal you know it's it's funny someone was interview me and they're talking about how mighty Ford was and how small Ferrari was but I said you know Mike Tyson was the smallest heavyweight in his era and he just knocked everyone's ass house so Ferrari was Mike Tyson Jason like sure they were little boutique company not that well funded but they won all the time so in a way they were the giant up against Ford Orde who was physically giant but didn't have those winds it's incredible story I know you got to meet Peter Miles The son of Ken Miles which is much of much of the the story revolves around cannon in Peter and Peter this he must be over the moon about this I hope so I do hope so I watched the film with PM with peers and I was obviously really bloody movie and having seen the film you'll understand why for that and he was so helpful to me and telling me stories about his dad give me an personal artifacts and photographs and all of that he was he was really generous and I would be you know Texan listening photographs from the set throughout you know it was wonderful to have him around Matt how much did you know about shelby because I know it's always funny whenever whenever they go Matt Damon's going to play Carroll Shelby I go I know Matt Damon he can't play then you see him and he's Carroll Shelby like you became Carroll Shelby Okay Yeah I didn't know a lot I mean I knew obviously knew he's kind of an iconic guy but but I didn't know a lot about him and I didn't know a lot about him in relation to this story and this relationship that he had with miles which I thought was really you know it was really the kind of the basis what I was doing in the movie I mean it was interesting to watch go back and look at stuff on on shelby when he would talk about miles and he gets choked up and that this experience of Lamont Sixty six what these guys went through I mean it really I think stayed with him for the rest of his life and he would and he would say you know you know can miles a hell of an engineer you know he gets choked up when you go like man like God This is Keith carrying this you know when they brought the three cars and together they didn't I don't think they knew that that meant miles wouldn't win I mean he going to get the triple crown but you're you know even given that in he had all this stuff on he had to he had to he had to he had to toe the line shelby two line he had as Charlie agape you said to see you know they put they put you know tens of millions of dollars in two zero gram and what they thought and what he knew was I'm gonNA come back here next year and Ken is GonNa win next year we're going to win this thing again and again and again our car Charlie we asked Charlie when you went over there you are already once you bring that already one Daytona that year Charlie Acapulco win when he went spike interviews you guys he's not doing a deep dive on Charlie Acuff Charlie asks I know a lot and he's and he's wonderful the thing that's crazies these guys were doing this at nineteen twenty twenty one yeah so you meet the guy that was ken miles right hand man and he's a sixty three year old guy he's not old yeah it's crazy as vivid memories vivid new got choked up of course talking about Ken when I was interviewing him and we I I said Charlie how sure were you when you guys went over there and sixty six you know they were dominating with that car I said did you think you how she were you you were going to win and he was like one hundred percent I said really is at one hundred percent if we didn't break down we were going to win because we were would that car was just such a thug and and they knew it and and and so I think the you know to slow down you know what I mean I they all have their own perspective that all have their own you know ideas about why that happened and it just was like Ford could not they put too much money into it to have the story be anything but at the foreign car it also that was shelby he did ask miles many times to do something something strategic in a different race yes and miles always bloody ignored him even sometimes you would laugh and be flipping the bird to show and I think show become a loved you know I I think he knew I look I've got to do my duty I have to ask but there's no way cans going to do it and then Ken bloody did it why I oh I think because Ken recognized how much shelby on the line for him and wanted to give gratitude and did think he's still going to win the triple crown and did these bloody mind-blowing and laps beforehand only to find he goes screwed over yeah people don't know you win Daytona you win see bring you win la you win the triple all crown I sort of like horse racing and no one had done season at up until then Ken was obviously in a position to do that. I don't WanNa give away too much of the story you know if you think about Matt when you were saying they're gonNA come back every year in whenever year and they did and rightfully so did y'all so think about Bruce Mclaren who did begin to win and he probably thought he was coming back and then he died a couple of years later testing I think a Canam car so McLaren the guy surged ahead and got the win and Blah Blah Blah he didn't have such a happy ending and either in terms of his life the thing that's really poetic interesting is here we are fifty years later and Mclaren I saw McLaren car in the parking lot I see shelby cars in the parking lot now ten miles is going to be the highlighted in this major film like I dunno gives you hope it's kind of interesting that McLaren and shelby lb now miles fifty years on and here we are talking about him yeah God I I don't think they could have ever imagined that right now I do hope miles miles becomes more of a common name because You know we it was tragic and he was so bloody talented and like you said within racing circles I actually thought he was better known within racing circles than he is actually many people don't even know him we didn't know circles and he really deserves and coming from Britain as well right to be embraced as a bloody national hero for what he did and a lot of people have no idea a Lotta answer Larry People like Phil Remington all yeah he was so essential there was a triangle it was really the three of them and that was something that Peter said to me he said please make sure that you give fill his credit because they could not have done on it without him I interviewed Dan Gurney just before he passed and I went down to his place where he's building stuff for spacex and everything else gurneys and another amazing story in the film small role his son Ernie Yeah and he showed me Phil Rimington's workbench who had just passed I mean he made it late and he said that's where he worked for me he still we haven't touched it's works Nice God there's so much to this story you could do there is actually a a legendary or somebody has the rights to do one of the books that kind of covers documents this time and I think they were still talking about doing a whole extended series on it and they could totally still do it yet go like hell yeah hell I I mean because you because there's there's so many I mean the the one drawback to doing a two two and a half hour movie is like you got to choose you gotta and there's so it's so oh full of different you know the great colorful characters and really interesting people I mean you could really do run a of this you know it's it's an onion and you just have something I I did a movie called Winning the racing life of Paul Newman and in the middle of that movie we discovered a US guy named Willy T ribbs first African American driver at Indianapolis and then did our next one about him like as you're making doc about this one thing you discover all these other stories and they're all worth telling just at WHO's you gotTa pick and choose who's got the time to do it all are you guys is their Oscar talk here I mean the movie was so I'll tell you I saw the movie eat obviously I knew everything going into the movie and then I really loved the movie of a but then I thought maybe I love it like everyone thinks their kids are cute off Winston Churchill Yeah maybe this just the father thinking thinking his daughter should win the Miss Florida competition we we we just we just do a thing and then and then it's up to other people that are so but I I was so I got back and I was like I don't know I love this movie but I don't know I'm just preloaded love it and I looked on rotten tomatoes it's eighty eight percent last time I checked into no they had anything up yet oh sixty sixty folks if wade in and I gotTa tell you in this woke area we're living in now this all white all male all straight casts getting to eighty eight percent on rotten tomatoes he does not too shabby and they don't like car movies either gas guzzling he's just wasted a bunch of question we got a lot in France when we were it can't be announced is appropriate in this year right regretted some Burg into climate change and everything like that that we made a film about cars that run on gas trying to Christy Setzer we go should we go back and make them electric thanks why don't you guys cool running straight they were just propelled by gravity gravity yeah so I thought to myself a really high score in a wo- period where we don't like gas and petrol fuel being burned and all that kind of stuff that's that says a lot so there again critics don't traditionally like car movies as much Che's you know other human stories so there's gotta be some discussion or some thought I don't know if you guys are allowed to talk about it we we we know we vote in any discussions discussions about that someone's going to put you for someone does but nobody talks with us about and now they they just me yeah but but I never thought of this movie that way like you know there's kind of an award season which is you know the towards the end of a year and this movie was supposed to come out in June Ryan they just held onto it and so I I always just I just read it I thought it was such a crowd pleasing such a fun story it's such an interesting story and the one that I didn't know one that was really relatable and and that was kind of as far as I got with it and so I'm glad it's being well received that's great like but to me the big win would be if people just see go see it like that's at this stage in my career like that's really what I want more than anything I don't really I want people to go and I want people to like it yeah I'm feel the same way it a certain point you have enough money and enough stuff and you just want your work and you realize like we're talking about ten miles one day we're going to talk and Carroll Shelby we're GonNa talk about the actors who played miles Charles Shelby and we'll all be roasting in hell so I'll be I'll keep a seat open at the table I think I'm GonNa get there I ultimately timidly it's about the work it's about the body of work and it's about people walking out of there on these guys did a great job and if they kick it back for award season which they did which means they're thinking that way that's just so much gravy yeah it's a great problem to have well well they're telling me to bring it home but so just keep it another twenty three minutes I I gotTa tell you I love this film I thought you guys is both knocked it out of the Ballpark I thought that the it's it's so james did a great job shooting it's not just a car show it it really is poetic shots all the shots were just you could tell in a in a way it's better to have a person like James James Direct a non car guy like sometimes you get the fast and furious guys do the things you missed the artistry right part so in a way it was even even better I thought it was amazing and so Kudos to both you and if you WanNa see Peter Miles and you wanna see that nine thirty five at Laguna Seca I'll be there to when is that going to be it's the middle of August every single year the rolexes storks over there and all those guys is come out and we all race a great that's all so one more plug in theaters Friday November Fifteenth Ford v Ferrari and and What what a story Ray Chop Guy Choose thanks James Mangold Ford Ferrari director in theaters Friday November November fifteenth saw it loved it done so many movies Logan and three ten to huma which enjoyed desk so much wolverine girl interrupted I forgot that that was you so good on you good to see again to see you again I love the film I had done a documentary on the film or or the theme of the film and also just finished one on Carroll Shelby so going in I was worried that I knew too much I knowing you're seeing it I was worried that you you knew too much the good news is I really don't know anything so I enjoy the hell out of this thing and I thought you I know what you're trying to get you you try and get the details right of course but you're also trying to capture in a dramatic movie that you can't do as much documentary is trying to recreate a feeling or vibe or a tone you're trying to understand something about the personality these guys that they might hide from from documentary camera or something they may not show when and they're doing an interview like this you know trying to get in a way behind the mask what are they dealing with you know what are they haunted by what are they chasing there's so many interesting aspects to these characters obviously the cars are interesting but you know you think about just carroll shelby he's top notch racer in nineteen eighteen fifty nine winning lemond Aston Martin and suddenly finds out he's got a heart condition could never race again cannot get behind the wheel again right what does that do I mean and you can only imagine if you were suddenly told that all that joy and adrenaline and excitement and obsession you have about something thing is suddenly redirected and you can't do it anymore ever on a certain day and that he had to reimagined his life on days notice and turned all that passion into building and designing and managing races and that's so interesting then you take a cat like can miles who spent his prime years fighting World War Two as a tank engineer comes to this country still wants to be a driver is also interesting I'm not a big motor sports guy in that I learned learned all watching and making this movie and watching all the research but can miles is also an example of a day and age when when the drivers could also fix their own cars you know that that these were people who understood who built the car where the people drove the car yeah you had to just sort of where couple hats back then and a lot of those shelby is there's a guy named John Morton whose was a shelby driver and then he moved on on with Pete Brock Pete Brock built the Daytona famously that won the manufacturer's championship is seen in the movies while but these guys drove and built built right there their own cars and there's a romance to that I I mean I wanna say it's better or worse I think that as we all get more specialized there there is something that were robbed of which is that kind of renaissance man or woman of racing or anything that the people who build something start from zero and and deliver it to the final destination there's something romantic about that that is modern life has gone on we get robbed of we don't we don't get to understand that kind of pride and it's yeah so when you talk to modern day race car driver versus a gearhead and they're telling me the drive in F one car and I go what's the displacement waisman on the motor and they don't know I don't know I feeling like I get it they're good at what they do but if there was a barbecue Q. Joint and it was ron by a Vegan I wouldn't go in on a guy who you know who knows live the life

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Ford v Ferrari with James Mangold and Doug Liman (Ep. 238)

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Ford v Ferrari with James Mangold and Doug Liman (Ep. 238)

"Hello and thanks for tuning it to another episode of the Director's cut brought to you by the directors guild of America featuring today's top director showing behind the scene in stories of their latest films and insights into the craft of directing. Please take a second to subscribe to our show wherever you podcasts. In this episode James Mangold takes us behind the scenes of his new biographical drama Ford Versus Ferrari the film follows American car designer Carroll Shelby and driver Ken Miles who battled corporate interference the the laws of physics and their own personal demons to build a revolutionary race car for four and challenge Ferrari at the twenty four hours of Lamont in nineteen sixty six in addition to Ford versus. Ferrari Mr mangled strict royal credits. Include the feature films Logan the Wolverine Three ten to Yuma walk the line kate and Leopold and girl interrupted and the pilots for the series Vegas and men in trees following a recent screening of the film at the a Dj Theater. In New York. Mister mangled spoke with director. Doug Liman about filming Ford Versus Ferrari. Listen on their spoiler failed conversation. Aw James Doug that stock I'd love to take credit for this movie but well It's it's really a extraordinary accomplishment. Thank you the you know how gripping the the action is an learn how strong the emotion is in many ways. That was the. I'm not a motor sports guy. You know so my attraction to the to the story when I I kind of encountered it into the script was not Like I gotTa make a race car movie as much as the idea. I mean I guess the puzzle you and face a lot in what we do is how do we make intelligent larger scale movies that are aimed at someone of thirteen year. Worlds right so you're always looking for something that is grabbing you on the basis of character but also has some kind of muscular because we have to do compete with television. We have to get you. We have to get grownups. GROWNUPS actually to be one of the four movies. They leave their home to see a year so there has to be some aspect of it that is dynamic But also for me something that is Interesting or else I just can't sustain My own interests over the years. I'm GONNA be working. So what was it because this is a a script was written by friends John Henry. Butterworth Jez Butterworth. What was it in the script that The DRITA the story. Sorry the I mean. What was the moment in the script? You're like. Oh this is why I gotTa make this my loved reading it when I first read it was clearly. I could see why it hadn't gotten made which is is it kind of seemed uncalled. It seemed to be. I mean one of the things the Jazz John and I worked on once I came on was trying the reason the movie hadn't been made and banging around for a decade and a half was essentially that it no one could justify spending an excess of one hundred million dollars on an adult oriented movie. You know that really didn't seem to have an angle or a presale character per se And so what Jazz. I what I loved. It's a good question is is I love the world I I love. You know what I'm always looking for. It has a language its own of its own. You know I'm like a weird way. I believe people say they'll talk about director sometimes go oh. He's a world builder. She's a world builder. You know like we can make a sci-fi movie or I think every movie is a world building effort meaning every movie you want to have a language and a world At a map and a unique set of locations on that one kind of world is unique and special and regular world. Movies are just a bunch of overs in in living rooms and so the the for me that it had his own language that it had a a a kind of vernacular. The visuals seemed beautiful. Beautiful seem to capture a time. But what grab me were these characters The way that I related to them as a filmmaker you know the battle to get a car made the the kind of Is Not different than the battle to get a movie made but also what I was looking for was terrified as I was reading the draft. Cause I didn't know the true life story was I was terrified. There was just going to be a simple they win. And and and that that the story unwound the way it did that can ends up slowing going down and tying and then losing and then dying months later and then the way it unwound was profoundly interesting to me as a challenge to try to work my way toward your to prepare for this. I I reached out to Because because we have people we've worked with uncommon. The screenwriters worked with Ozzy Matt Damon. So I asked for a few questions to ask you from which you guys from from Madden Jazz. John Henry and one of the questions because you talked about the ending was the jazz and John Henry feel like the best scene in the film was written by you and meanwhile they're getting the credit as screenwriters which is the last scene of the movie. And how did the film originally end in. What was the process as a filmmaker to sort of hone in on that? You just talk about how you arrived. At that end. I felt among many there. Were many things suggestion John Henry and I worked on on an one of them. Was this idea that was chasing that I'd I don't I'm trying to put my finger on it. I felt felt that the F.. It's a character film that it doesn't end with the race because the race doesn't determine their character arcs at per se any in in neither case. That's so I work very carefully with them on how to construct what was kind of laying pipe going in starting with with with Carroll Shelby's Onset of heart disease were asked to stop giving you a taste of Lemond and then stopping but what I was after in the end was a kind. Ah I felt that I got to attached to Ken son and his wife and the world of Shelby American to just end at a race and then tell you that either tell your let your discover that can died a month later or but also I felt like neither what was so interesting going to me. formats character and with. What I felt was still missing from the script was some sense? Like it's so simple but for me. The two characters were really simply carols. Compensation for his heart disease was to become a kind of adrenaline junkie salesman. He became like a kind of a nonstop unstop salesperson and he was brilliant at it. But then if that's his compensation enact one what is his what is his turn in the end of the movie and And that was the puzzle that I still thought that we had an answered yet in the script read and similarly although was more of the pipe was more laid there can is a Christian character is a guy who never compromises is kind of a perfectionist. See will that is clear what that could be that Momeni slows down which is actually in. Its own way even though it's all giving up of the race it's actually an expansion of his character in that moment meaning. He's doing something he had never ever done before which was layoff That was beyond his capability in that. And so this is my theory of both characters and and a lot of the research suggests and John Henry told me about even with Carol and a lot of the written research told me that Carroll Shelby regretted telling Ken Miles to slow down all his life and that it seemed to me than there needed to be some kind of the noma where where where Carol was dealing with. The fact said he couldn't talk his way around this. I mean it's literally something we wrote in the end. I mean it's very kind of say I wrote but the The I mean I did. The last scene was was an effort to try. Nail something that we haven't quite gotten and the But for me it was just strictly the idea that Matt spent the home movie. Smoothing is way out of problems and in this last scene with a boy it. Just be with with cans boy it just becomes a scene in which just being present hasn't is all this required and he should shut up and that and that it's and that's what that scene directly before that I scratched out with with you know. Are you telling me I'm some kind of salesman you tell me. I'm about like my magic words. Meaning it's all trying to set up this idea that Carol essentially been gliding through life on the kind of ability to dance and that for once in the movie is going to be still and that was that thing was it was that indescribable kind. The thing that I was chasing that didn't know what it was and sometimes I tried after I have to try to scratch it out myself because I don't know what it is until I found it kind of painting thing. As opposed to a plotting thing and this is a world that is is not a world that you were drawn to before reading the scrapped as you weren't like a race car fan in fact I'm I'm the opposite. I love sports but I found into into a car race. I I did a commercial for some NASCAR. I don't remember what it was for something years ago we went to North Carolina. went all these trucks but it has is no I mean. It's so no I mean there's there's a- The culture around it was the process of hardening about it's you could then then share it with us. Well it was. It was second guessing myself. I mean first of all the NASCAR culture is kind of gross to me so there was just a level where wire it's become. I'm in America. But there's something fascinating to me if you go back the the kind of the just the car's covered with stickers and people screaming and just the music and the whole. That's not interesting to me when I tune it in the race itself doesn't interest me because of an this led me to thinking about how to cover the movie. The racist don't interest me because I don't know who uh-huh why is the yellow car ahead of the blue car and why is the red one pulling into the pit and why is the blue and now getting out of the yellow on and everyone's just sitting speculating in essense. It's a sport. We're we're locked out of everything interesting because it's buried beneath a helmet and then inside a car so that all the secrets of what's going on are inside that vehicle all and you're completely you're not privy to any of the juicy stuff so that gave me in a sense my answer of how to shoot it however obvious it is which is is just get to follow the characters into the race to be with every decision to understand why they're downshifting or pulling into the pit to kind of let you live moment to moment in the tactical did you. I mean I actually have not also a person. I LOVE NASCAR race but my life so I didn't even as Lon- still go on. Lamont is still there but looks nothing like this so we we were both. Oh I was I did fall in love with the look. Did you actually go to a Lemoyne's race. We went there was none I could. There's only one day year it is and by the time we knew we were going. The one at passed in the next one would be while we're shooting so the the But we did go lemond and we toured the track and and of course the track looks again. Seeing a current Lamont race would be nothing like seeing what was then. It is now a full blown blown manicured track with graded roads and rails and it looks more like the meadowlands than it does. the grandstand. We have here. All the charm is essentially gone or as it is an all places overrun with scale in. Did you the town is still beautiful in this one. Because I don't want to rat anyone out again from from one of our friends The question was that they found themselves working on the film occasionally occasionally driving their own car a little bit too hot and did you ever find yourself maybe pushing your own cars you were it makes you think about driving. I mean the the the I think the one thing. That's true for all of us is that the car is incredible. Metaphor in our lives A really powerful metaphor certainly in cinema has been but for all of us and yes. I mean it doesn't have me driving crazy but it has to be thinking about the road more. You're much more aware of of I got captured making the film by the beauty of the philosophies of these guys and how they saw the car car as an extension of themselves or mask or a kind of an and I responded to the gear the way I do connect gear on are doing doing what we do. You know the the gear making films gear cameras and cranes and Dolly track and lenses and animal versus Datta digital all that becomes comes into that gear. I saw. That's what they're in love with. Is there because it suddenly became less about. You know the kind kind of NASCAR idea of racing I had more about something much more beautiful and seeing someone like Enzo. For instance says such a interesting figure are in relation to what we do. which is that I saw? Like Ferrari was like Zoa trope. We'll hills like like FRA. Francis like it was like pursuing suing perfection or personal vision and going bankrupt but not caring until you have to find news financing and then Ford it was more like you know studios. We know which are making a product for people and And want to be cool. Wants some of the Ferrari cool we'll and and that is that he kind of tension between the company and the corporate side that is kind of playing it by the numbers and the person who's playing By romance all that is really deeply fascinating to me. I hope to someone else when they watch it again. And I don't want to hog all the questions so are are there questions in the audience. And then I'll I'll repeat it for everybody so the question. Is You know the obvious thing. Might Ferrari the villains but they were more humanized in the film and and what was the process of high net. There's two things I'd say one is I think credit has to go to jazz and John Henry First of all that they didn't write it that way to begin with. At least I see it that way but also you know part of the reason I like working with them and as a writer myself. I'd say I'm pretty strict in my own creative sphere about not letting anyone used the word villain or bad had guy And because I think it screws everyone up making the movie As if there is a person who wakes up and contemplates what evil they can do every day you know that the which is what the name implies like kind of just that that no matter at least is for the purpose of me making a movie no matter what Godforsaken Soul you would imagine me making a movie about. I would be trying to find the way that they actually think. Whether it's through an incredible Pretzel of psychology that they're doing good for the world or themselves or somebody and that so the first thing is I ah I examined and read everybody through their own personal sense of purpose and And and one one of the easy exercises you can make as a screenwriter as you could reconstitute a story like I could make Josh Josh Lucas character into a kind of heroic character with a couple book quick changes of Like A. He's trying to hold onto his job. which is prayer list with four? And he's there companies failing and the whole thing will go down and he's got a troubled marriage bridge and I could create a wholesome and then Ken Miles is soul narcissist who is committed threatens this meaning. It's all where you put the camera and where you where you right it. So that I really so having said all that I love for Ari like I would prefer his cars even to a GT forty. So and I'm the romantic in me. Loves what he's about which is in a sense Irrational idealism right. So if I could just ask them follow up to that. Ah such a fascinating answer if you were doing a film not Ford versus Ferrari but trump versus biden or Bloomberg or warriner owner. Pick Yours. Where would you be putting the camera to humanize trump? It would be. Wouldn't it be easy. I mean when in a busy really. It's like men wakes up obese. Corpulent can't let anyone see that. There's only three strands of head hair air on his head rushes to the bathroom with spray and shit has to kind of key can't even be seen by by by by the help before he's done a certain the amount of strapping and gluing together the level of fear and anxiety before he can even become public is so great and he's already been greeted by headlines And news the Ma- mock him that that so that you would deal with kind of terrified frightened troubled king who who is completely unworthy completely overwhelmed and and terrified of exposure on some. I mean you could that would to me. That's the only interesting story. The other story is just this this. It's the only one that makes sense to me in this world to be honest like I. If I make sense of this any other way I would. I wouldn't have any other way to understand it other than to try not to have pity on him but it's difference understanding him isn't saying `I absolve him or it's that that I actually go because I think the thing that that hurts us as a culture in movies and otherwise is when we say someone's bad we divorce ourselves from our culpability. Okay and how they came to be and we divorce ourselves from our culpability in it in our own lives because it's like Oh. I was bad I did that because as bad. No Oh you did because you were frightened of this or because you're weak or we take our mistakes and we turn them into simple Cartons anyway. It's a very interesting topic but in drama it's really fruitless To to do it otherwise on my mind question. I'm trying to figure out quickly. Summarize that question it's how how did we put it all together without having massive re-shoots or how how did we. Because you don't have a chance to do it again because of the scale of a movie like this that it's you gotta make acres decisions and trust and numbers so in project this project this large. How do you how do you keep your perspective and make sure that it's really good question and one? I mean essentially eventually. It's the struggle of. I'm sure it's a struggle for you as well. It's a struggle of our lives managing large things and trying to express yourself at the same time. You're managing something that is A multi headed Hydra of activity and many people their own feelings and contributions to make The simple thing I'd say is is to make sure you're enjoying herself and and and that you have a chance for all the preparation preparation that obviously you have to do to make a movie like this story boarding planning matchbox cars on maps pre-bus. Whatever that you have the mental all and physical space to change your mind and revise? I can only tell you that on my second movie cop land. I was shooting in New Jersey Out here Twenty years ago and in the first week of production I looked at My dailies and was coming home from dailies and I looked at. They gave me these contact sheets with deals. Guide shot that week on the set and I looked at what the stills guy was getting on my shoot and I thought it looked better than shooting and I realized it was because as I was doing what I planned and I wasn't watching what was there. And that's the danger in the larger movies and I think what we see often in larger movies is is kind of pre-bus shot. It's just you can. I always can tell because previous is always never stops with the arm like the guys in previous little apps can is never stop you and we'll make it in one and why make a cut because we're in previous we and so the the the to me it's being open to what is happening in front of you with your eyes like guy was when I was twelve or thirteen with a super eight camera and that you don't get and that's another thing about surrounding yourself with good people like I've really realized over the years that there could be qualified people who are who have some kind of toxic energy who just closed the envelope for you of the ability to think and that can't you can't have them around you no matter what scale it. Is You know that that that little bit of space where you can kind of go. Let's try this on the day and that the crew can manage that in fact because it's or that I see or hear something from my actors or my ep or or someone comes up with something else that just reveals the scene and you have to take advantage of that. Is that at all answer. Your question could but they're so. The question was a racing boot camp at the beginning for Madden Christian to to learn how to drive a race car basically not for Matt who didn't really do much driving in the movie other than the one. The one scene with Henry Ford in the opening but the But for Christian he took he took a few days and went to Arizona and it actually raced with Boban durant on on track I believe in Arizona and but both of them were pretty experienced drivers in movies and have done a load load of that kind of stuff and And so they also didn't do and be the first admit a lot of the driving meaning that the they're they're in the cars moving at high speed and they'll pull in and pull out and but they have family Anson we WANNA THEY WANNA go home to them and But we didn't do a lot of green screen either when we did predominantly was was put them in in cars. They were driven by. Sarah drivers are stunting called it. The biscuit it was this kind of device driver was on the roof of the car or offset to one of the sides. So that I've used these before on movies in different rigs for motorcycle scenes beans or whatever we you know. If you can't text and drive you certainly shouldn't be acting and driving and you certainly shouldn't be acting and driving at over one hundred miles an hour so the Ark of the driving sequences that play out like a sporting events where your you kind of know when you're losing your winning that all mapped out or did you find find that it was pretty I mean pretty mapped out. I mean either in the writing or in the boarding or the planning of it all. I mean there's a lot our editors found different rhythms. And you know it's it's I always feel like there's always this this kind of I've never satisfied with either answer to this this question which is to say We knew it all advance or we discovered it all on the fly because the answer is always both on the answer I always try my own processes. I try and Kennedy to collecting seashells. I know the legos or legos. I know the legos. I need for the scene. I know usually the ways I'm gonNA try IDA. I had a great teacher at Columbia University. Mentors goes to fund sharf. Who have this thing that he thought the only cut that was interesting in narrative? Film was the transitional cut and so he was like if you don't I don't know anything else at least plan your transitional cuts and that and so usually if I know nothing else I know what my outgoing in every time. I change location or advanced time. The outgoing and the incoming shot is planned so that it's a beautiful Gr- in my opinion or effort to make a beautiful graphic cut. You know the composition is weighted. Did so what will the cut across the neck seen will look good will feel good. Um We'll have a kind of Push forward narrative but within the bids I don't I don't know every time I'm cutting to the speedometer or the gear pedal or some of that depends on what Christian does or the way the light falls in the cars is one is overtaking another on the track et Cetera. But what you try and do ovoid at least is what I think at some folks in for me in trouble making action movies is just the hose it down like the the that where I I felt like I've gotten in trouble when I'm overwhelmed as you just kind of just shoot a bunch of figure it out later kind of thing is dangerous. I mean it it's essentially to me an abdication of of knowing what you're seeing is about in the moment and figuring it out later which for some may be an excellent process for me. I feel awful. If I've done that I feel like the only thing I should know. I don't have to know where every shot is going our home using it but I should know what the scenes about and if I know what the scenes about than I should know where the camera should go to cover the very thing that it's about so that the And that should I don't use. I don't carry many cameras on the show like even a second camera to me sometimes traumatic So that's the for me. The one at a time is actually more efficient. I'm if that answers any question as well. That's amazing I didn't have your film schoolteacher feature but When I was doing my first film swingers the only thing I story boarded where the transition transitional shots I last shot because I was like? How do I story board? What happens during the scene? Because I don't know what's going to happen during the scene. They're going to have to act and I'll figure it out but I was thinking I got a story board but the only thing I could actually intuitively figure out you could story. The board is the last shot of a scene in the first of the next. It's absolutely and with the things too fond would always say which I thought was so true. Was You know he felt the narrative film was trapped by continuity you. You have to make everything match and the light the match the people at the match and then it's so boring. He was an ninety year old Russian filmmaker but he thought that the transitional shot was also the the most creative because it was the one. That defied are normal seeing experiences. We we cannot in the blink of an eye be home. We cannot in the blink of an eye be ten years from now so the the magic of cinema is in the cut and the power of that cut in the juxtaposition of it which is partly why. Sometimes I get sad about the the fashion the the cut as ice when I teach young filmmakers and is trying to do everything in a one like as if the cut were some kind of concession When the cut is one of the most powerful powerful tools we have I mean wonder films are awesome and exciting too? But it's it's just the fashion of kind of feeling that the cut has become something people actually feel was a kind of like a crutch as opposed to a thing of beauty. So the question is Tracy Letts and casting of Tracy and well I I Have always been a fan. I mean I discovered Tracy I think for the first time through homeland where he plays the kind of diabolical a biological conniving CIA I think senator winds up taking over the Seattle remember. But he's great and that show and I felt like was mesmerizing arising in that show and I was like who is guy and then became conscious retroactively of him as a writer and When this role came up it just seemed like a home run to me? I can't tell you why or how I just felt like I'd be lucky to get him And and I was lucky enough to get him. And he's a great actor and I think what's fascinating about. This part was the idea again of of that that he didn't see himself as a type he saw himself as a legacy operating under the tremendous burden of inheriting accompany company in the family name. And what are you going to do with it. In sales are declining and And also a guy who's only lived in wealth and in a kind of bubble. I mean I think that's what's so lovely about his work in the senior mad takes for Dr is a tracy pulls you in. You're you're laughing at him for a moment and then you're suddenly suddenly. What makes the scene interesting? It doesn't end there. Suddenly he touches you when you realize he's a person and and he has pain and he's lonely he and he never gets to ride in a car and what a and suddenly he's a completely different human being to you you know and And Tracy took took that a country mile. It was beautiful but he did there. No we made those city How closely does the film hugh to to the actual events and that's my partner acids a reporter for CBS? The and the the the reality of the answer is that a- all our research and our researchers told us they do stuff like that to each other all the time in the pits and Carol was always screwing with the opposition and then I asked star researchers. How would they screw with the opposition? And they'd say well we could steal something. You could throw it not or Washer under the thing you could dump a little motor oil in the where the car just pulled pulled out when they're not looking good and all. This stuff was standard operating procedure. So I I'm being too coy and saying we just made it up. But that it was that he did it at that race ace. At that time I have no idea what was the other one lockinge. BB in the closet didn't happen but dragged shaking. Henry Ford for Dr did happen. Did he do it exactly like like Tracy did it. It is a reaction no but they took him for a drive in the car to to let him know because he was about about to cancel them or make another change and they needed to put him in the car to realize what they had come up with. Most everything in the broad strokes is based on reality. We just have to Obviously we're making a motion picture. Obviously thank you thank you and thanks for the thanks for listening to another Dj. If you'd like to hear more you can find past episodes of directors cut wherever you listen to podcasts. Stay tuned for more great human human as with directors Marielle Heller and case Lemons and be sure to subscribe rate and review us. We love your feedback and you can help ellison by show show thanks again for listening and have a great week. This podcast is produced by the directors. Guild of America. Music is by Dan and while he.

John Henry Ferrari Director Ford Lamont Carol Ken Miles Ozzy Matt Damon Carroll Shelby salesman NASCAR Henry Ford Lemond Jez Butterworth New York Doug Liman writer directors guild of America James Mangold
The movie that takes a big Kiwi victory out of the picture

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The movie that takes a big Kiwi victory out of the picture

"I will put you in the driver's seat. Just shut your mouth and let me do my thing. We're on the verge or just something and now you tell me that I can't have the best man in the world behind the wheel. Give me one reason. I don't fire everyone starting with you. Well Sir that don't work for Nastier go to war. It's Matt Damon It's Christian Christian. Bale it's an all American victory story with a backing track of Bent Rabah. What petro hit could resist the tale told and Ford Mrs Ferrari showing doing now at a theater near you? It's all about how the Ford Motor Company a UBS war hero and an awkward but brilliant Brit took on the all powerful Ferrari race team and the nineteen sixty six lemon twenty four hour rice and one hang on the ninety. Six LEMOND. Wasn't that the year three New Zealand. Heroes of Motorsport covered themselves in glory. When Bruce McLaren and Chris I am on drove fords winning car and Danny home was driving the second-place Geezer well? Yes but you wouldn't know it from the story. It's kind of a half historians of kind of a strange shaped vision of the story. Hi I'm Alexia Russell. Blend on the detail today. How Hollywood spun one of New Zealand's big sporting victories to leave us out altogether? And the movie you see a flash of the win on the final lap. It's a black car driven by two Kiwis but the cameras focus is on the second place getter. In that case you briefly say an act back to playing New Zealander Dini home switch seats with the foams hero. Ken Miles who the movie series was cheated out of his chance of glory by being offered to slow slow down home. Dr Twelve hours of the twenty four hour race with miles has one line. This fleeting mention of such K.. Players has irked the listeners books and culture editor Russell baillie boils down to two main gars win. mega-rice fishing twenty four hour rises was team sport. So if you're making a movie about how one guy lost his chance to win. The rice like will not not too sure if those two things written sold it will. Bailey knew about the background because he studied it and has written about the Roger Donaldson Documentary on Bruce McLaren released. Two years ago Bruce had come into the factory one morning and said okay me going to work on raising cows. Today we're going to march across the Sahara. Our desert also Cambridge matter as you know something he just suddenly learn elbow blue blue. You've got to have it inside and all that kind of a golden era of New Zealand guys in international nights. In those days there was any home. Bruce McLaren who tragically died in the seventies. And who's Chris Ayman who died not that long ago Chris. On those days was was young Guy Bruce McLaren it was kind of the mechanical genius. Who became the guy who started McLaren too because a brand we still have rolling around the streets of of the world? Today Dini Hall was kind of quite you know maybe typical of the three. He was also a only Formula One champion. He won the Formula One the following year after so how in the Lexicon Zealand sport. How do these three guys stack up? Here is pretty big. I guess is a funny one for people because they I think it's patriots but you know these guys are athletes to drive the car that fast in that long you have to be an athlete as well as have no fear gleaned. These guys were the Spitfire politics of the fifties and sixties. Pretty funny when you have a carrier nudie cutting corners. Ah But this. Is this kind of thing about the film fight. This is on Shelby Matt Damon and Christian. Bale Kimmel's WHO's arrestable English guy who's used rice and chasm. He's coming to the end of his career agewise perhaps he is ahead. Write bracing ritual but on the kind of odd couple carroll. Shelby's kind of a good ol. Oh Boy X.. Motor sport champion now guy who makes Cobra sports cows. You know the famous Americans. So that's the focus but carroll shelby. Hey Bruce McLaren dinnie home Chris. I'm on on contract as well. Danny was in the cab with Kim Miles the hallway around in theory theory he over twenty four hours race he drove twelve. You get to see in for listing twelve six fill that unlike most of us believe in got interview. The film's producer James Mangold. So he asked I m about it coming at it from a nationalistic perspective. Is the director commented when I talked to him. I guess I had a few concerns about the you know with where the film was is putting emphasis and damaged pride on behalf of people who have those those three guys from most books. So tell me about interview with James Mangold. Did you bring up this whole thing. And his reply was that you but it was kind of get the screen obviously been through a few interruptions and he. He said he had decided that the film should focus on those two guys Matt Damon Character. The WHO's American Christian. Bale Guy who's British English and I get there. You know you have to tell the story and the dramatic and all those kind of things but at the same time you think well you know the guys actually won the race who were declared cleared the winners meet them. You know the Guy Dinnie home. Who drove the other twelve hours in the states would mind to see him? I guess AH was coming at it from a nationalistic perspective. But I guess I'm on rotting food in New Zealand listener and one thing my boss. The listeners was sort of maintained that outriders Anderson is. When there's a movie based on a true story ask the question you know with a with reviewing the critical whether you're talking two hundred ask the question? How much is based on a true story? And I'm in good on James Mangold for answering the questions heels in the castle. We're in California. He could have put the phone down in. I'm I'm in good on them and I guess it's just kind of one of those things. A lot of people are going to say. Yes but I but if it's only a movie Moody's tend to have a lasting effect on people's memories and this will be writing history. It's a very strange not strange. We RUTTA history. But it's it's it's kind of mythology sizing character whose real story King Mazas a really interesting guy. Yeah now. The character in the movie was kind of constant rebel constant maverick but This is a guy who was. When he was told to slow down he did not and he might have regretted that decision and carroll shelby the guy who told him to slow down went to his grave regretting decision and telling them telling anybody who would ask him about it? I regret that decision. Most any homes edited about it. I'm the only quote I ever found about him that was we was roped but he can be seed in a kind of winking Kinda way or I don't think he was to you. Hit up a better. It was one race in a very philly glorious career. He went on to beat a things immediately afterwards very soon after that period he was part of the McLaren team doing amazing things in the UK and Kane series in kindergarten states. So you know. This wasn't his biggest disappointment. He had big glorious to go on with by Bruce McLaren on the spatially. He's kind of the Lord Rutherford Patriots New Zealand and just to have to for him to be a magical character in a movie about this specific rex. You know I sort of go. Well maybe at least in New Zealand. You should know that if you get into this film Matt Damon himself in an interview with Jay Leno gave a glimpse into the reasons for the emissions. I was approached with a much bigger script with a lot more characters in it and it was just too unwieldy to try to do in a couple hours right but this script way they boiled it down to these two guys and this underdog story told through the eyes of this friendship. These kind of is yeah. I thought he'd get a great job. But here's a twist when it comes to New Zealand Matt. Matt Damon is a serial offender. He was an invictus. Clint Eastwood Great Film about the Rugby World Cup in Nineteen Ninety six so easy one they got out a thing on the side of the external Lami playing So you know Matt Damon Hesitant New Zealand. Everybody in so I don't was filmed just keeping them on in and watching from a theater Integra might might be an athlete. Of course my I guy. which was the film where the New Zealand diplomats involved in leading the kidnapped Americans out of the Middle Eastern country there was no New Zealand than there either. So you're not really sucks being the quiet achiever whenever Eh. When you comply people say just being discussed the movie is interesting move in another aspect outside the New Zealand bruised feelings in that I asked James Mangold the director about this as well because it portrays Henry Ford the second? WHO's the grandson of Henry? Ford The in reform so Henry Ford. The second and the movie is given to making a rousing speech of that war in Europe just because he'd been a navy in World War Two and now we're going to another we'll see ya and he's taking on. The ferry. Ferry was a manufacturer for the Italians will. We'll find Mr Ferrari. Himself fought for the allies world. War One because he was in the army so he switched. That's fine but the funny thing I thought and I put this after James Mangold. Who wasn't quite aware of it? Was There Henry Food. The seeking took over the food company during the will to Henry. Ford is grandfather had had come beck after its Ford. In reform son Henry Ford. The seconds father had died. Grand came back into the company near the beginning of World War Two at the time. Ford had a branch and Jimmy before America into the war using slave labor and Henry. Ford was quite okay with it. Henry Ford Seniors. This is a senior was quarter. Anti Semite the Guy Henry Ford senior a middle for being afraid of Germany. Not Jimmy before America Eric during the war did not know that if he's done his research there's this thing called wikipedia. It's quite good. I guess what I was concerned about and what I asked him it was. What was the movies relation to food because it kind of felt to me and a might be reaching possibly a a slice sponsorship? Deal those kind of a bit of a corporate reputation makeover geico happening even though Henry Ford the second was portrayed as bullying but of a buffoon there was kind of this slaughter education of unfortunate part of history. Gary and I want to say that once America range of the war. Something that injury senior didn't want them to do the food branch and Jimmy became. Its own thing it was. It was using slave labor but it wasn't under the proof will fall in the states had been nine hundred thousand nine hundred forty one mainland in America for Ford. Factory is churning up bombs and And Henry Ford The second is very proud of that fact and makes speeches and that that's interesting August. There are nine manufacturers that have gone through goodwill to who have grease history that if you look closely at it before senior head some gbs political views and and for his grandson to be quitting his will to service. I just thought Oh that if it is a movie that is very much saint through that kind of the way Americans often make movies. Though isn't it. You could've old-fashioned lager in I. I kinda get and it's funny. Though because he think not just the New Zealand Bruce Feeling that the GT for the famous. The cat by developed was designed in Britain. You know because Ford was an international Commu. It was designed in Britain engineered in the states. Hotted up by Carroll Shelby and how the People Kim Malls and other states they kind of refer to that in a way we love the mechanics have British XC. ACCE- Yes. Yeah so it's sort of interesting in its history for the second developed. A money is no object racing program used all the branches of food which at that stage was Oregon International Corporation not just an American Detroit muttering John and the other thing that may be slightly cynical is quite aside from the motor. Brands is is credit. Quite a bit of a product placement in the film from Turkey Cola. Every second seems to be considered techy color. So it's one of those movies. It's very of the time I mean ah the sixties is portrayed in its full of won't go justness with the lawyer Co closed and the people. It's great up short film and those type of those house was pretty sixty six dangerous because those guys safety features in the wound great compared to what head to head into those cats for people to survive five crashes on them. AS Roma's nothing speaks go cats really with you. Know seeing leader engines behind going over to the malls parral and maintaining speeds of two hundred twenty kilometres. Now for Twenty Four House Bruce McLaren described the hesitate especially not driving and the nineteen sixty six documentary. This time tomorrow night you have to watch you have to You have to look for the entire golden and of course there is a live at the diving. There is the headline daylight itself and as that came up you. Could you could consciously start relaxing. A little more and relief in fact out of the fact that night at least the way you're going in Hawaii Hi on and they've got a problem. They descended name guessing using without the hill. Having just gone on Nathan. I'm a break down to the suddenly that how they think that someone so bright I do that was to take I lasted next time round. Had A pit stop and the speeds on Rice Ave much higher. Now it was not bad. It's finding you stayed in the road just still cruise one hundred forty five hundred and fifty S. We went living too much time. Always knocking out again just sitting at coaster in the corners visit couldn't be doing anymore five mile down the corner and then dumping it into gear again valley pulling away with on the lot of joint winner right withdrawing in receiving difficult in low gear to walk around corners in the Mons might seem like a carbon footprint blot on the landscape Banal. It's being used for lawns was used because it was a bit who between Kanye factors as well as us. As as development track the features and the cavs trickle down and now they're using Hybrids and electric as the rises so just as NASA building rockets. The technology trickles down through. This this is an example of that. So it's not the terrible battle of internal combustion the engines that has lasted for since twenty three. It's actually a really interesting. Institution is a sort of technical logical Bellefield. Yeah I mean. I'm not a patriots will know this kind kind of history. You probably average sports fan will not snow from NBC Olympic. Do you got right this Kinda wrong. You've got a successful runway foam. Tom And at the same time. You can shrug your shoulders and guys just a movie because at the beginning of this movie based on a true story and sold along those lines kind of like well. I think you know annoying people like me to question and that's that's kind of my job up. Kaley petrol heads off few reviews one on irons. Eight frankly I don't know anything about it and Aren't key that took care of US motor sports fans my nose my joints look well. It's history maybe history history can be examined and Ford visits Ferrari. The messages that Ken Miles was robbed of the wind by a technicality. That benefited the Kiwi drivers by the racist. Halfway halfway point it was clear that afford car would be taking home the trophy but it was the races end. That would make the nine hundred sixty six twenty four hours of the mall. One of the most controversial finishes racing history as the final lab neared. Three of Ford cars were at the front with the lead to driven by miles team followed by McLaren Claire in Amen. Miles had been driving record setting laps and the historic triple crown win for him was clear insight. However Ford's public relations team had other plans opting for literal photo-finish Ford requested that miles slowdown and finish side by side with McLaren for a picture that would truly emphasize the company's historic dominance at that year's race after brief objection from miles he finally agreed to the decision believing it would result in a tie for the Ford team? But this wasn't the case as miles McLaren finished the race alongside one another instead of declaring the race. A Tie Lamar organizers stated. The car that had covered the most amount of ground was the winner. Technically McLaren and Aymen's GT forty had been lined up a mere eight meters behind miles car at the start of the race. Despite being the fastest driver miles had lost and the record books. Show Bruce Mclaren and Chris Amon came fist list. They won but the film is that when was tainted because it was stage managed by Ford so that that the first three cars which are all four G. Forties would have photo opportunity ending to the rice and they will get one two three and they would defeat Ferrari and sorry off into the movie for Everybody Spoil Historical. That's true that's true. Although it's a movie that takes this much much liberty with history. It could be a whole new so long story Short Chris Almond and Bruce McLaren roof declared the winner because Luhrmann's the Rosal Lamont's lawns are not. Who is the fastest? It's who's done the most distance in the twenty four hours because Jerry Rice. Okay there are lots of other things that go into the controversy about why they were declared the winner in why the cab driven by King Miles. WHO's played a Christian Bale in the film and any home who really appears in the film? we're sick and even though they were he'd in food bosses said let's have this vital opportunity. Slowdown King Malls was told. US down. Is some question if you read some of the books as I have about their he was too far ahead anyway. He was over doing it in his car. He was risking the car fall apart. This is ninety sixty six and nineteen sixty five. They folded into those calves. Cows of Mike none finished they all blew. Uh well they all have mechanical problems. They were entirely embarrassed. And that's not recovered in the film and previous rights. Ninety sixty five bruce mccown. He's on guy was driving with eighteen miles hero this film. That's not covered in the movie. The this kind of in fact Livy insinuates that he wasn't allowed to drive in sixty five abreast. No he was there and he was one of many full drivers. Didn't finish just a couple of months after the famous race. CAIN miles died in a crash against the filmmakers have extrapolated what he might have felt about the fact that he hadn't won at Lamont's against a grudge on his behalf though bearing prejudice and are we looking and clearly he would have been aggrieved at the time but he probably had notified rises together season and the fact that he died just two months later is stops that story in a way and it's interesting. He's clearly an interesting God but his teammates today today. I'm Alexia Russell. The detail is brought to you by newsroom. Dot Co dot indeed and made possible by the Iran deal ended on Innovation Fund at the subscribe button to stay across the detail every day. And if you're on April please leave a rating. As it helps effortlessness find us. 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Weekend: Lena Waithe & Melina Matsoukas talk 'Queen & Slim'; James Mangold on 'Ford v Ferrari' and more...

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Weekend: Lena Waithe & Melina Matsoukas talk 'Queen & Slim'; James Mangold on 'Ford v Ferrari' and more...

"KPCC PODCASTS are supported by Warner brothers presenting the good liar. A smart suspense Thriller About Secrets. People keep an allies. They live that will keep audiences assist guessing starring. Helen Mirren and Ian mckellen rated R. Only in theaters November fifteenth. It does feel like we're at war. You know oh I think. There's this sort of element of people being worried this film starter race riots. And we'll start a war. This make temperatures even hotter Lina Way. The screenwriter of the new movie queen and Slim isn't looking to spark actual conflicts. That she does WanNa shake people up then. The national enquirer documentaries scandalous shows how the supermarket tabloid got in bed with Donald Trump. What's so interesting as you talk to these inquirer guys who were sort of on trump? Don't back in the in the eighties when he was when he first came on the radar and they would say like initially. He wasn't inquirer material and Washington. Lawmakers come to Hollywood to find out why Latinos aren't getting hired in film and Television. It's the frame weekend from the Mon Broadcast Center at KABC. I'm John Horn. We'll be right back. KABC podcasts are supported by Warner brothers presenting. Getting the good liar. A suspense filled thriller about the secrets. People keep an allies. They brought to life by two storeyed award winning actors. Helen Mirren and Ian mckellen. The film offers a clever unpredictable. Game of cat-and-mouse in the vein of a hitchcock thriller imbued with Intrigue Danger and surprising twists on November fifteenth. Read between the lies. The good liar rated R. under seventeen not admitted without apparent only in theaters November fifteenth. Welcome to the frame weekend. And I'm John Horn on this show. We talk with creative people about how and why they do what they do and about how their art is shaped by the wider world later a new documentary about the national enquirer and the rise of tabloid journalism in the era of OJ Simpson and Donald Trump. We're going to start today with Queen and slim. The movie had its premiere at the AF. I Film Festival in La this week. The movie stars Daniel Columbia from get Out and Newcomer Jody Turner Smith. You can ask me a question or not salons to respond to me. I didn't realize that much time. I sent you a very well. Crafted message. Three weeks ago I spell check and everything got crooked pen today out of the blue you hit me up asking if you want to grab them. What changed normally normally? I would go home and have a glass of wine by myself. But I didn't feel like being alone not tonight you have any friends family can call now. We turn to tender. They play a black couple. Who are driving home from an awkward first date when a white cop pulls them over he he quickly begins harassing them? The situation escalates and the police officer is fatally shot. What follows is their escape on the road from Ohio? Ao Toward Florida. The movie is written by Lean Away and directed by Melina Matt soukous who's making her feature directing debut. They worked together on an emmy winning the episode of Master of none before making Queen and slim. And is this the first thing that you guys have done together. Yeah I don't Yeah we've been doing some interviews together. I convince me to do a show. Yeah we should or at least a talking toy or something like that I do I do. Interviews is with Molina. It is fun it makes it Payne. Who decided to set the story in Ohio? Well Lena had written into the script Because Ohio still has penalties obviously it was really important to queens character because he defends people on death row But I had traveled to Ohio for a Nike Commercial. A couple of years before and I have been to Cleveland. There was an area of Cleveland in the really black neighborhood and chat. Ah Still had the location pictures on my phone In on this one st so call. Saint Clair says really pushing to start there. I wanted to start In a really cold environment and had them mm travel south through the story. I always think of it as a reverse leave escape narrative where they are traveling south instead of north and Cleveland was also the last album underground railroad before slaves. We get candidate so I thought that was really pertinent. Like metaphorically for our our film and then also it's weird to me. Rice was killed. You know where I got a chance to visit the playground uh-huh where he was shot dead and so I just felt like it was the right place for us. He wrote it and then like you know visually I had been there. I have witnessed like how pertinent was US breath and then when you know a lot of other people on our crew we're really pushing us to just stay in New Orleans because that's where we are already shooting and obviously for budget reasons. It's easier to just do in one place but I wanted to travel with them and I wanted them to feel that journey As actors and let that inform their performance so we went up to Cleveland and while we were scouting we were on this this at St Clair and it was my director scout so we hadn't decided definitely go there but maybe and a half hours like Tuesday night. At least six black people were pulled over by COPS In a half hour time period and one of them was in a way to cord and that you are watching happened as where we're scouting scouting which blocks at me and he wanted to. Yeah and we have been saying in downtown Cleveland where there was no police presence so this is like a trapped in a black neighborhood to just like get the people and in a half hour they were pulled over and there was this one car with a accord and the Cleveland. Police car was behind him. Pull them over and my production designer designer took a shot of it and I was like best slim slim. That's his car that's who he is. He's every man and we have to be here. I want to play audio from a police. Stop I I think you're GonNa know what this is. This is Sandra Bland. Being pulled over in Texas. Put Out your cigarettes please remind I'm in my car put out. I think you can step on out now. I don't have to step out of my step out of the car. Still stand out of the car the right to do that. You have the right now. Step out or I will remove your views to talk to you. Identify Myself Out. or I will remove removed for out or our remove you. I'm giving you a lawful order. Didn't have a car now. And I should add. Sandra Bland died in police custody. Three days later she was found hanged hanged energy and he was being picked on and prodded and harassed by policemen that she pulled over to get out of his way you know and then he pulled her over. Not using signal to me is just traumatizing. That's you know and I think people don't realize for particularly black people when these stories come. I'm across our our news. Fees televisions our instagram. Fees is not just another story is not just a piece so news to us. It's it's like a piece of US dies every time we hear about a person being a piggly a black person bid an unarmed black person being being killed by police officer. It's it's we are all living in a state of trauma and I think that's where the movie was absolutely born out of for me in listening to that we've we feel like we are hunted. You know and I think that that's shown in in just hearing those those words it's there. There's this war going on and and you know Lino called another day of genocide which is exactly right. I want to play another clip from the film and this is I. Think kind of a moment of reckoning between Queen and Slam Kim. I'm GonNa play it and then we'll talk about the look on Slim's face in this conversation. Where are you calling find? Somebody who have phones often call my family if you don't know where we what they say that there's no guarantee they won't. You're a black man killed. A Cup took his gut amount of criminal. You aren't at you. You know he feels the weight he feels the gravity. He's starting to understand how he will be viewed that he is now viewed as a monster you know when he was in the right when he was just trying to defend himself and and and his woman in that moment But I think you know his eyes I think in every scene especially that one they really transform inform and the the weight of of what just happened is starting to land on him Y- think to me the the look that breaks my heart. Every time I've seen the movie move you'll hot but it's just after that. When he says I just WanNa go home? Yeah he's pleading he's GonNa go home and I want to see my family and I think that is interesting because because I I remember writing that and as a person who is not super close family but I was thinking in that moment. When you're afraid all you WANNA do get home to your family and also too I think about fruitvale station. You know in that moment. Where Michael Jordan says? I just WANNA go home. You know. That's what we all want. We all want to go home and wait on me. 'cause I am close to my family like in times of extreme need or terror or fear. That's where I want to go to the next to my mom and my father who won't ever look at me as a criminal you know. I think he has that same satisfaction and that love in his home wherever you like family to me. So you're gonNA come home to means you take Molina when you were thinking about casting this film other than obviously wanting great eight actors. What was the look that you wanted? What were the kinds of people that you wanted to populate this film well when we started Lena had already talked to Daniel And she hadn't given the world because she is respectful of me tremendously and would never give a role without you know making sure that I I agree with this. I met with him. And what should have been you know five minute conversations and then so hopefully. We'll be a lifelong collaboration because he's an immense talent. And so we had Daniel and it was important to both Lena and I that we use this opportunity to create a platform for a new black actress for a new voice because we don't get many of those opportunities he's and we knew we didn't want to waste it so we wanted to find our queen. We wanted her to to be introduced. Somebody new and we need to have somebody that would stand up against Daniel and then that that was really important for us is that she was dark skin that we could. I'd love to be a part of redefining. What beauty is in the world and we've never seen a love story between between two dark skin actors on on screen? The tendency is to get light skinned actors so they feel more white. Yeah exactly there's you know in this country obviously there's a tendency agency That the later you are the more eurocentric looking you are that that. That's what's considered beautiful right and so so many of our brothers and sisters don't grow oh up really having pride in themselves as dark skinned Beauties and so that was really important and also to show the love like between those two people all that could be dark skin and and have that represented it to the next generation. He does not even something. I grew up in having Lena. I want to ask you about this balance in the film home between brutality and beauty because this is a story about something that is brutal that starts this couple on the road and yet it's also a love story uh-huh and there's a lot of beauty not only in their relationship but also in the people they meet along the way When you're writing the story and trying to get the balance that you want to strike what were the things things that you were focused on A big thing with one to focus on a sense of community And it it was a bit of a meditation on underground railroad for Modern Age in a way and the fact that it does feel like. We're at war you know. I think there's this this sort of element of people being worried. Will this film star raise right. You know and we'll just start a war. This get will this make temperatures even hotter her and but the thing is that the same thing about U. The right things at the same thing about boys in the hood. They said the same thing about new Jackson all these these conversations while you're pitching this idea you know this was I think once we were done. Okay you know and once people start to see yes and to me is like when writing it. I'm very aware of that war that were already in. has its tooth. Yeah and so it was almost about what side are you on and they never know when they go out into the world and who they're encountering if they're on their side if they're not How you'd be surprised about who was on their side and who isn't and there's so many influences that I have whether you know? I think people are quick to say delmon Louise Bonnie and Clyde which I understand but also wizard of is in there Eh. You know it's also said off is You know elements of badlands. There's there's references I think people don't expect me to have but for me the people they encounter you know these these are somewhat small roles. I want every role to feel gigantic at one point in the movie. Queen Slimmer called Bonnie Rani and Clyde there've been other references to Bonnie and Clyde and talking about this film. It seems misplaced because Bonnie and Clyde chose to be the people they are queen and slim were victims of history. And they don't WanNa be hero. They don't consider themselves heroes. When you're talking with Bellina Lena when you're talking with the actors the what were the conversations you had about heroism and about being thrust into a story that you don't want to be a part of I think early on? I think I said this so Molina. Is that regular people like Emmett till like Trayvon. Martin like Mike Brown like Eric. Garner Garner can quickly become symbols of a movement And they can also ignite a movement and that was is not their choice you know. We know their names. We know their story because they were killed not because of what they contributed to our society. And I I knew even like talking to Molina. We talked about. This is that black life is is not a celebrated as black death and that is something that I wrestle with. I meditate on obviously and I was doing that in writing the script and so for me it was really about black people creating the heroes in which they need and and I think at some point we. He may need to stop doing that. Because we have to be our own heroes in our lives. But it's easier to follow than to lead and Lena. Thanks so much for coming in thanking Lena wait is the screenwriter of Queen and Slim Molina soukous directed the film. It opens in theaters on November KNBR. twenty-seventh this is the frame weekend. I'm John Horn meaning in Salem in the In constant conversation about who gets included in Hollywood and who doesn't isn't Latinos continue to be woefully under represented now some Washington lawmakers are getting involved last week members of the Congressional Congressional Hispanic Caucus came to Los Angeles to meet with leaders in the entertainment business to find out. What's going on congressman Joaquin? Castro of San Antonio Tonio is a committee chair. We went to Los Angeles on two issues in particular. The first one is diversity in Hollywood and the gross underrepresentation of Latinos in the entertainment industry and the second is portrayal of in television and film for example. So this latest Annenberg report found that of the lead characters on film. Twenty eight percent played criminals which is obviously for any American community or segment of society Misrepresentation and so we had meetings with six or seven studios and executives from those studios. We met with a few of the Gills. The screen actors Guild Sag after and the directors guild and and we had a chance to meet with about forty Latino actors actresses producers directors and others about the Hollywood ecosystem and the challenges that they face getting work in that system. It's not watches the kinds of parts that Latinos are getting. It's the number of parts. Latino actors barely got four and a half percent of the more than forty seven thousand speaking roles in the top one hundred grossing movies from each low past twelve years and Latinos make up a huge percentage of the US population but also of the movie going public. It's almost a quarter of all ticket buyers are Latinos. So was there any explanation about that disconnect. There's a huge audience. There's a huge segment of the population Asian. But when it comes to actually getting the parts. The Latino population is almost invisible. I can't say that there was a satisfactory answer. To that issue they did talk about their different pipelines appliance for writing for directing. You know this and that that they're working on but as I said to those folks in the meetings look if you're at three percent percent now of Dino's in front of the camera behind the camera then whatever you've been doing in the past obviously has not worked. So what are you doing right now. And what do you plan to to do to improve those numbers And it's very strange that an industry like Hollywood this considered liberal and progressive that it it would have worse numbers than the fossil fuel industry oil and gas industry in my home state of Texas. The numbers. Obviously don't lie the representation of Latinos along with a lot underrepresented groups in Hollywood is terrible. Why is it important that it change and why is it important to you personally? Well there is a cost to that underrepresentation in C. Suites in terms of casting directors producers etc and part of that cost is a misnomer trail of Latinos. I think it only not only affects how the how people see themselves but also held a larger American public quick sees the Latino community so when a president or a politician or anyone else gets up and says that Latinos are criminals and rapists and murderers and then people turn on their television set and they go to a movie and that's exactly what they see then it affirms that idea for them that the person who's Oh speaking is right and taken to its extreme. It leads to what you've got in Paso Texas a few months ago which is a madman driving ten hours to kill twenty one people because he sees Hispanics as invaders to the United States. Never mind that Latinos have been here for generations. And so- Hollywood has to take like a really deep and close. Look in the mirror and start to change and change sincerely not just by lip service but actually change inch. Let's assume that these Hollywood executives who aren't really doing what maybe they should be doing. Were to testify in front of Congress. What would you ask them Congress has brought different industries In front of it to question them on their practices in terms of hiring and diversity in what commitment. They're making those things and so I would ask him questions about the processes they put in place. Are we look when you're in a city that is forty percent. Latino you know in a state is forty percent Latino country that's eighteen percent movie ticket buyers. That are twenty three percent over indexed on movie ticket sales and this group of people only has about three percent of the rolls when you combine in front of and behind the camera you get to a point where you have to admit at. That's systemic exclusion of a group of people and when we have systemic problems not just individual problems or one person here there when you have to static problems. Those are the kinds of things that Congress and legislatures should get involved. Joaquin Castro represents Antonio in the US House of Representatives he also so chairs the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Congressman. Thank you so much for coming on the show you. After a short break a fading American car company takes on an Italian racing legend Ford versus. Ferrari it's next on the frame weekend. Stay with us. Welcome back to the frame weekend. I'm I'm John Horn filmmaker. James Mangold has a knack for telling true stories about creative partnerships. He did it with Reese Witherspoon and Joaquin Phoenix in the two thousand five movie about Johnny and June Carter cash and he's done it again with his new film Ford Versus Ferrari along knowing other. I ever break a promise to you. I will put you in the driver's seat. The mob. Just shut your mouth and let me do my thing in the film race car designer Carroll Shelby who played by Matt Damon teams up with British driving legend. Ken Miles who's played by Christian. Bale in nineteen sixty five. They built and raced the Ford. GT DT. Where are we James? I wanted to. We're in a meadow. We're in a meadow looking movie. Had Its world premiere at the telluride Film Festival and Director James Mangold was there the really really interesting story. About Carroll Shelby's younger years not to Matt Damon plays in. The movie is that he had a heart condition and didn't know it and in the height eight of his racing career was alerted that if he ever raced again he die so he had to quit racing and so all that ambition and drive and and risk seeking all had to get pushed into design and salesmanship and so in many ways his relationship with Chris Character. Ken Miles can it becomes a kind of surrogate for him. You can stick this stick with some pain seems to be. The problem is a billion talk about really the bill jobs. Bill Bill you in my experience there is listen. Listen to me something like this. There's always a middle ground right. Kens add a line. I understand you're you know how he gets on race day that you're not gonNA teach you over trump but you do something with the racing you and your cinematographer in Michael and that is you shoot the races from the racers perspective. We don't have these these overhead shots of hundreds of cars. You are taking the viewer into the car. So that he or she is in your razor can miles absolutely John. I I think the whole I mean the to me the on on obscure Ego level. If I'm GonNa make a sports movie and my shooting style of the sport is GonNa look the same as what you'd see on your weekend sports broadcasts then I've I've kind of it may just be my own sense of pride but I feel like I failed but secondly the movie was about these guys and these guys pushing these cars to their limit but also subtleties. You Know Ken. Miles was a great racer and great engineer. But his greatest competition was with himself I think we makes it pretty clear in the movie. You Know He. He was trying to top himself. He didn't care about the marketing he didn't care about the rankings. He he didn't care about fame he just had a goal of being as good as he could be and better than he was yesterday and that even saying that how could I ever show anything and like that if I'm not in that cab with him we're talking with James Mangold about his new movie Ford. V Ferrari you cast Tracy Letts as Henry Ford the second and and there's a scene that I will just say where Henry Ford the second is in a car going very fast you ready. That was born ready. Mr Shelby hit it. It and I'm watching that scene and I'm not sure if I'm watching. Henry Ford the second in a car or Tracy Letts and a car because it feels like what is happening is happening in real time and the actor and the character are both panicked by what is happening happening. Well I. I don't know the Tracy was really panicked but I will say the Tracy was using what what we were giving him and he did play the scene he took him for. Mister Tony Wild ride in that car and And kept the camera running after it stopped the message last question you teach film and is there a scene that he would teach at afford versus Ferrari. That might have been really difficult seeing to pull off that. You think you could talk about in a classroom. And what would that talk be about. And what would you pick well. Usually when I do a class I'll actually pick a fairly simple seen that is directors. It's not always the stuff that everyone notices with a flying camera flying through through the window or into through a keyhole that is filmmaking. It's actually how do you handle a kitchen scene. Or how do you handle You know one of my favorite scenes in the picture sure is very simple. It's just Christian and Matt in a in a Mexican diner but it's like for me what I treasure and what I value value is how well a director does though simple things you know. One of the things I think Steven Spielberg never gets acknowledgement for because his movies are so so spectacle oriented usually is no one's better and moving the actors around just a simple scene of indie Jones packing before he goes off across the Atlantic antic is a is a tapestry of blocking crosses move closer to camera away from camera. That's what I try to focus on is how much you can do. And how little James thanks so much pleasure man. Good to be James Man Gold is the director occur of four versus Harare. It has just opened in theaters. I'm John Horn and you're listening to the frame weekend. Ultimate Commission sell the most papers anybody in the world. I don't think any of US realize what was to come. Scandal is an engine that powers the national enquirer. So it's only natural that filmmaker mark landsman would title his documentary about the supermarket tabloid scandalous using archival tape and new interviews. He tracks key moments when the paper affected our culture from how we cover news too who he put in the White White House. What's so interesting as you talk to these inquirer guys who were Sort of on trump back in the in the eighties when he was when he first came on the radar and they would say like initially initially. He wasn't inquirer material. He wasn't sort of dig enough for us. We thought he was a New York. Real Estate Guy who just. He was very Provincial regional to New York and it was only after Marla maples which seems like a very well orchestrated stunt if you look at it. I'm not suggesting him that it was but it's almost too bizarre to show up with your mistress in your wife on ski slopes in Colorado together together in a photo and have a photo op. You know it's just all old ridiculous And I think that was at this point. There was a little bit of an epiphany among inquirer Leadership saying this guy actually could sell papers and I think with with trump there was a recognition like you know. Here's this paper that reaches tens of millions of Americans a week. They said that for every one person that bought an inquirer error three read it. So I mean that's an unbelievable amount of eyeballs San even if people didn't read it they saw the headlines while they're buying their groceries icy precisely so so he kind of grew up through the paper in terms of his image in popular American culture and of course that obviously translates into the apprentice and everything that would follow but the inquires really where it began and I think he saw as is stated in the film that the enquirer could give him a mouthpiece could help him amplify could help him reach a population that would never have given him. Second thought. Well in fact there's audio of Donald trump pretending to be donald. Trump's publicist says pitching stories about his client. Who is himself he would call the tabloids in New York to drop gossip items about himself breath from the couplet he's had pseudonyms where recall and pretend that he was a spokesperson? He really wanted to be a star. We're talking talking with mark landsman about his documentary scandalous. There's also a large part of your documentary that focuses on the actual journalism that is done at at the national enquirer and it sounds oxymoronic but in some ways even though the enquirer does things that reputable journalists don't do which is essentially pay for information. Asian they do break a lot of stories. I WANNA play a clip about a certain criminal trial in Los Angeles Inquirer editors say they have been following abuse allegations allegations against the former football superstar since one thousand nine hundred nine. When the Simpson murder occurred? We knew this was assembled moment For the national choir we already had used networks in place in the celebrity community in this occurred in the middle of one of our networks unlike the mainstream outlets like the La Times The New York Times Washington Post Globe Etcetera. You know who had maybe one or two reporters on this case. The enquirer had twenty This literally fell into their laps. As is he says it was in the middle of our source. remember that the enquirer had been establishing a spy network in Los Angeles since the early seventies just a cover up just to cover celebrities but but it was very an you know. J Simpson was a huge celebrity. So they had already had moles in the Oj camp all over the place and so when this thing hit they were ready. They were also remarkably one of the only publications to actually have the courage to cover Nicole Brown's abuse long history long history of abuse. You didn't see articles like that and other publications because people aren't writing about domestic abuse that way the enquirer took that on You know I'm not like not waving the flag for them but this is just this is just why they were so situated they had gained the trust of the Brown and the Goldman family. They were inside that family They knew people in the prosecutor's office. They were on the plane with Marsha Clarke you know they were everywhere literally everywhere and they couldn't be it couldn't be beat so you know you know when when a lot of the mainstream press was looking one way the inquirer was looking always something else happens during the OJ Simpson trial which I think is critical to understanding the history of the national enquirer. And that is that the information that the inquirer was reporting starts to appear in publications like The New York Times and against that backdrop. It's also important to remember that the three major networks devoted more time to covering OJ Simpson Simpson than they did the Oklahoma City bombing and the Bosnian war combined so the celebrity trial I think is a tipping point joint in the tabloid ocean of the News Media Dubai. By that argument. I absolutely do buy it. I mean and and so do you know people like Carl Bernstein and and really you. AH PEOPLE WHO've studied media by it. I mean it's exactly what happened. I think this is the point. When the fabric really starts to fray and people start to people in the mainstream chart start to you know give Kudos to paper that they wouldn't line there kitty litter with an olive sudden? You have somebody like David Golick in the New York Times saying that the enquirer the the headline said Inquirer required reading the Simpson case. I mean that was astonishing to people at the time and you have people like Carl Bernstein and others sort sort of you know sounding the clarion deal okay. We should be concerned about this folks because something has tipped and I think Look there's always been sensationalism sectionalism in journalism. Since the dawn of time I mean I don't think we I I think people really like to think of it as a black and white thing that oh well the mainstream publications. Don't do this. But that's not true William Randolph. I was doing it I just Pulitzer did it and people did it before they did This is really sort of one of the questions we wanted to explore in the film. Is You know how how did this happen. How did we get here? How did we get to a place where as I said in the film we can't have a civil debate about what is a fact we can have? We can't have consensus on. What is a fact anymore? That's a frightening thing you know. I mean as a parent of a young child growing up in this media saturated culture. I'm concerned about that. You know that we we are having public figures mess with facts and we're having journalists. Spend all of their precious time. Time trying to substantiate facts and then you have the fact that fax no longer matter because you're just subscribing to whatever it is you want here. We're an echo chambers as Gladstone John Likes to say so you know. It's very freaky time. Mark landsman is the director of scandalous mark. Thanks so much for coming in. Thanks John Scandalous. The true story of the National Enquirer is in select theaters. Now coming up after a short. Break Tony winning actor Jon Directs. A new play about basketball and China plays fundamental question for me is the question of whether or not you will choose to be a person who makes movement and there's a basketball metaphor here or one whether you choose to be still directing the great leap. That's next on the frame weekend. Stay with US and welcome back to the frame weekend Dan. I'm John Horn Tony. Witter Beatty Wong is known for parts on Broadway television and movies but but recently he's taken on the role of theater director. I you know I started out as a director when I was in high school. I had a wonderful mentor. Orioles relationship with a drama teacher feature coup encouraged me to not squander my potential and part of the potential that she saw was potential as a director Wong is currently directing the great leap at the Pasadena. playhouse it's centered on an actual basketball game between the United States and China in nineteen eighty nine at the same time that the Cinnamon Square protest was happening learn. The playwright is enjoying great popularity with a her to put up with Oliver Place but two in particular are in the top three plays that are being produced this year greatly and Cambodian boating around Banja. The news has almost eclipsed this play in terms of what's going on in China China not just in relation to Hong Kong but with basketball. I mean it feels like the headlines that are being written about conversations about sport and China and protest past. Couldn't make this more timely. That's absolutely true. And it's very exciting when that happens and you feel like you've kind of hit the Jackpot because you are doing something that is on the forefront of people's minds the comparison of course between what's going on over there and the play itself is is really real relegated gated to politics and basketball and China But that's those are three things that don't really use the same sentence all the time so I don't know what I'm you know why I'm complaining but it is it is it is just that it's not really like the play itself is going to illuminate anything. That's actually in the news but it is amazing that we're talking about Basketball in China and Hong Kong aww that in protests and stuff now the play is about identity. I think that's what you would have to say it's ultimately about and about finding your place in about family and how all those things are so interconnected even though basketball and China is part of the story. That doesn't feel like what it's about. Oh yeah that's the backdrop in the setting for it but the play is also about The idea of your own life path and how you choose to live in whether you choose to to be be a leader or follower whether you choose to make waves or not if you're pitching greatly to an audience member. How would you describe what you want the play to to do in terms of how they see the world or see themselves in it? I'd say that I think the play at this time in our lives as an American really. There's a lot of kind of political turmoil with our leaders and the kind of mess of the current administration and that frustration creates a question in our minds about what it it is. That is our own responsibility. What it is that we choose to do and whether we choose to step forward or not in the plays fundamental question for me is the question of whether whether or not you will choose to be a person who makes movement and there's a basketball metaphor here in there in the play or one whether you will choose to be still and that is a powerful question that you walk away from this display asking yourself which character are you are you? The one who moves are are you the one who stands still. I have to say that we all in this audience thinks it is the person that moves always. We always think we are that person but when we really ask ourselves we have to ask yourself. At what level are we really that person. What is our what in our lives and in our actions really show that we are that person Jason and to see to characters and great relief in the same play who are struggling with the Issue of that creates that question Russian for us. And that's what I want them to walk away with asking themselves that question we're talking with actor and director Beatty Wong. You played one of the main characters. Won- Chang who is the coach of the Beijing Aging University team and two previous productions. When you step out of playing a character and are directing that character what does that transformation like in terms of of your perspective on the role and the overall production? This is super interesting. Because you know it's a completely different point of view. Do you have a much more global view of the play the production and the other actors and so for me. My intimacy with the character plays a role in my relationship with the actor playing the role that I once played because I have a kind of shorthand with the part that allows me to kind of cut through some some things that have to be very careful about cutting through because an actor should have his own process and find something out in his own time and in his own rhythm them but sometimes I can have insight into a moment for example. One of the things that actors do play like Lauren's which is written with a great deal of humor is to try to find where the humor for that particular Acura but I can also say I I know per pack really funny so oh you should go forward careful that you don't say this is how I would I would I would never if someone's actually says those words which I think is something you'd see in a movie or something like that that just I bristle at the idea of it. Even though this is a international and national story it feels like there is so much of San Francisco in the city in the story. Yeah Yeah what is it about San Francisco about these characters lives that you think is so important to reflect in terms of the bay area and what that city is like and what these characters lives are like in that city. Well I think it's really wonderful. When a playwright uses a specific time or place and explores explores the universality of her characters through that specific time or place so when she describes these things struck a chord for us who know the place but it also strikes? Rex Accord because of its authenticity to anyone. Who doesn't know the place because as it turns out Lauren herself is from the bay area? And that's one of my touchstones with her is that we're San Francisco Chinese Americans and the San Francisco chinese-american vibes very prevalent in this play. And so I feel a sense of a kind of understanding her in that way and I love working on the play because of that I always have from the beginning as an actor but now as a director kind of trying to imbue in whatever way possible. Oh my point of view as a person from San Francisco in Chinese American. That's one of the more fun aspects of doing this particular directing job for me. The passing play the house like a lot of big arts institutions in and around. La Has a core audience that core audience. Because I've been to a lot of plays there is older and it's white. This is a play about a Chinese American experience. So how do you make sure that you are authentic to a new audience Chinese Americans who are coming to the plows and also give what. I'll call all the older white audience a perspective into a story that they may not have access to any other way. Well it's humanity you know it's like it's like eliminating humanity for a person of any color or any age is undeniable and when you strike a chord emotionally or with humor and Lauren does both of these inheriting very deftly Netflix. Then you can reach anybody. I will also say learning is a bit of a kind of gateway play right. She really can draw people into a seemingly specific story line of location and culture and open it up through like I said before humor and emotion. Listen to make. It seem completely universal. I mean universal is a kind of a buzz word that people like to use but it really is true that people can relate to the play because there is simply human beings and they have feelings and aspirations and dreams and and Disappointments just like the characters and displayed regardless of their race or their age age. Beatty Juan. Thanks so much for coming in and key so much thanks beady one is the director of the great leap. It's up now at the Pasadena playhouse. And The Walt Disney Company launched Streaming Service Disney plus this week with tons of content but there are some other recent entries in the streaming wars like apple. TV TV plus. It has just a few shows including Dickinson. It stars Hailee Steinfeld as the poet Emily Dickinson and even though it's period area story. This series has modern music. It's composers are a married couple. His name is Ian Holt quizzed and her name at least when it comes to writing in music is drum 'n lice. We did something so strange and so out there and they were like Oh love it and we're like okay. I think this is going to be fun. We thought those main titles would be the first and last thing that we've done this show. Hi My name is hopeless. And I'm from composer German Lace Sofia and I'm also a composer and performer. It was pretty random like we had no idea was coming in and we just got a call from from Apple. I think November of last year. Saying that there's this new strange show about Emily Dickinson but with kind of like a modern since Gore and I think we kind of thought that they might have been pulling our leg. Because we're like yes. Hello this is apple you know like what but turns out that I guess They really liked what they'd heard and thought that we would be good for the show because there are different sensibilities news exciting is maybe a little intimidating just because a lot of the stuff that they were putting in his temp music whereas take their inspiration is a really well known pop music. That's out now and produced by like three Swedish. People like months counts of time and thousands of dollars in or like. How are we going to compete with this? Yeah so you know it was kind of a tall order to have a score that can compete with attracts like that. It but then also live in emily's world NBC cinematic kind of carry all these different ways at the same time. I'm madly in love with view to someone else. Guess actually who is he. I'll kill him. You can't kill him. Aw has death. I'm in love with death. We can see some of the statistics of people listening. And actually there's One of the themes that's the death theme and we keep seeing that that's the most Shas. MD and it's such a compliment. Because I think people think it's an actual hip hop track and then they find out it's us and I love that I wonder what people's reactionist that one thing. We've kind of played around a bit on other projects. But it's never really been at the forefront was using Sofia's voices and actual instrument a different texture just to kind of make it somewhere interesting and as soon as they heard it they're wis that's amazing and now it's become like the biggest. No we keep getting more sophie. Marceau people because her singing voice. He really kind of become like the inner thoughts of emily in a way. I didn't really think about the fact doc. There could be this further connection between the vocals. And you know the way the she's feeling internally and you know invoices kind of something. That's it's been used to express oneself since the beginning of time and I feel like especially there's well there's one episode nine has one called the our death. Oh ooh which is interesting because it it starts off with being within a setting where you would hear a vocal piece. Because they're in a church but then by the end of it. She has an account one of the many encounters with death and it becomes. Sounds like Kerr Eulogy in my brain and foreigners to and fro I feel like we've worked together enough at this point where we've become. I'm really good at being critics to ourselves and trusting each other so if someone says something's not working leisurely trust that I think at least once every project there's always a bit of an explosion and maybe get slammed or something but on the flip side it also. I think that there's been times when if IAN started a Q.. And he's like no. This is garbage like let's start from scratch. I'll go in and it'll be like no we can salvage this and the new transformed into something different. And that's why it's nice to have the two of us because it's like something that Ian or that I would have thought was a complete disaster at the beginning can evolve into something that actually works. Uh We work at home studios so we're literally in the same room for every single Q.. Who and every single moment sitting at the same desk and we end up spending a lot of hours in the studio together? Yeah I mean I've been trying to get get on almost like a nine to five schedule lately. But you just you know in this crazy world of scoring like it just you might get an email full of two pages of notes at ten pm that are due the next morning by branch. Whatever so you don't really have a choice? You mean what happened last night. There's a lot that I think needs to get caught up on especially in the age of streaming especially when it comes to the fact that it's so hard for us to release soundtracks as composers and you know like you even in terms of you know royalties and there's there's a lot of questions in the air or talked about every new project it's like so how the rights going to work on this one. They think once upon a time people would be like okay. Well the royalties are you know At least like for us. It's like we kinda talk about this all the time like Oh to have been a TV composer during the ninety S. You know because you see all these like TV composers from the eighties and nineties. And it's like welcome to my Malibu home with my like to studios and meanwhile it's like. I'm just just excited that I get to make a living like any kind of living doing this but at the same time. It's like the same way that it is with spotify and apple music and with all of these like streaming platforms. Is that people people just expect for things to be free so when people expect for things to be free and when music is something that so abstract. It's really hard to put a price point on it because because you know if you're buying a painting you're like okay. I can see the materials and whereas with us it's like it's all just time. And how do you quantify time. Dickinson is on Apple. TV plus now. The frame weekend is edited by Darby Maloney and produced by her Monica Bushman. Jonathan Shift let Julia Pascal. Eskin and Emily Henderson Edward. Oh Perez is our engineer Andrea. Gutierrez is our newest cleric. Our intern is Paul ratliff. The frames opening theme music. Zegers Bhai Taylor mcferrin and the show senior producer is Oscar Garza. I'm John Horn from the MON broadcast center at KPCC. Have a great weekend will be back. Appear on Monday for the daily version of the frame. We'll see you then.

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Avatar 4 & 5, Boba Fett, Avengers 4, Twilight Zone, and More

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Avatar 4 & 5, Boba Fett, Avengers 4, Twilight Zone, and More

"Hello, everyone and welcome to slash film daily for Monday, October twenty ninth twenty eighteen on today's episode. We're going to be talking about the latest film and TV news. My name is Ben Pearson. I'm the senior writer at slash film dot com, and joining me on today's episode are slash film, writers, white trampoline and Chris STA. Hello, all right, guys. So we are delaying our normal water cooler Monday episode until tomorrow, I think based on the way people are feeling right now, and how things are shaking out. So we have a bunch of news items that we wanted to to talk about today, and I of HD let's talk a little bit about how Halloween is performing at the box office. Give us the latest. Yes. So this weekend. Halloween, raked in an estimated thirty two million dollars domestically bringing domestic total one hundred twenty six million with the chance to shoot for the coveted two hundred million Mark, which is huge for a domestic horror films, especially an RA of horror film. And I say that because Hala we may get the second big. The highest spot after it as the highest grossing RAM horror film in in history. So that's quite exciting internationally. It's no slouch either its recently made its international total be forty five point six million with grand total of one hundred seventy two million globally. That is a pretty impressive. Chris. What do you make of the way that Halloween has been received so far? I know you're a fan of the movie you saw it at a film festival. A while back sort of watching this from the outside looking in do you think there are any larger trends here in terms of like the industry, and how horrors being received? I mean, I think the lesson here is a people want horror in October for some reason studios. Don't realize I don't know why I mean for a long time the saw movies had the October market cornered than there was like a new saw movie every Halloween, and you know. Paranormal activity tried that too. But that's a died out. But people want to see Har movies in October. And there's also just a, you know, a legacy element to it. I mean, the fact that, you know, Jamie Lee Curtis is back, and it's the first Halloween seek on a long time. Like Hollywood always takes the wrong info from when things become popular. So I know they're going to screw this up. But for now, I'm happy, I'm very happy. This is doing so well, h Christie has I always thought that more horror movies were released in like the fall on October. But maybe you're speaking about like franchise movies in general, or is it just like, maybe I'm just kind of associating with the fall because that's how I see it. But maybe I I haven't seen a lot of I feel like there's a lot of horror movies that come out in the fall. I think you're just assuming that because it seems like it should happen. But it really isn't the case like I can't even remember what came out last October. So even stuff comes in. It's usually. Junk. So it's not a great. I don't know why they haven't figured this out. But there should be like a ton of horror movies hitting like I was saying like overlord is coming out in November. That's so stupid like that movie. Looks like the perfect hollowing viewing experience. Like, why isn't that coming out this month? I don't get I wonder if it has anything to do with like the low budgets of or the comparatively low budgets of a lot of these horror movies because in my memory, and Chris please correct me if I'm wrong L A lot of the sort of low budget horror stuff tends to come out at the beginning of the year in like those dumping ground months when there's not really a lot of competition from other studios. So maybe it's like a positioning thing where that's like, you know, the the number say the analytic say that maybe that's their best bet for like being able to make their money back on on smaller horror films like that. Yeah. That's true. January usually a dumping ground for really crappy like that movie. The boy came out in January and the movie with. Hockey with hell is called a is like the woods or something. It had that actress from game of thrones in it, and it was really the poorest Natalie dormer. Yeah. That was so bad neck amount in January. So that's usually like where they dumped them, but trends are changing, and it's like the summer movie season for a long time people thought blockbusters only Bologne in the summer, and now we're finding that's not the case anymore because everything is a blockbuster. Now so stuff is coming out in like April. And now April is considered the summer movie season. So it's just trends or changing. And then forget that get out came out in January as well. But I think they probably underestimated that film, and how big of an impact it would make L for sure and Asia. No, we did a big Halloween themed episode last week that you weren't on. But I know you had a lot to say about that movie. And I think most of it is probably spoiler related, but I did want to know, what do you think about the possibility of a sequel to Halloween is that something that you are? Justed in on a creative standpoint. I'm not particularly interested in a sequel just because I thought that film. So well, wrapped up the legacy of Laurie strode and felt like a good end point for that franchise, it it was both like an image to the visual film. But also took it into the twenty th century in a way that felt refreshing and not into incredibly hokey. And yeah, I feel like if they tried to continue it from there. They would have to do something drastically different. I know some people with E arising that maybe Laurie's daughter whose name I can't remember right now, lawyers granddaughter, not your degree degree is great. But Laura granddaughter like somehow, maybe becomes traumatized by this experience. It becomes like the new Michael Myers or something like that. Which I don't think I would like either to be fair. So yeah, I think that this would be a good place end the franchise, but knowing Hollywood, I don't think that will happen. Yes. Especially if this is on track to become the biggest rated horror movie. After it. So we'll we'll await the news of the inevitable. News of a Halloween sequel coming up in the meantime, let's talk about our next news item. And that is some new information about the Boba fett movie that I think last week we talked about is not happening. But now we have some information about what that movie could have been like Chris tells about that. Yeah. So the both that movie was originally going to be directed by Josh trank, who of course, directed the chronicle and then fantastic four and fantastic. Four did very poorly the box office and with critics, and there were all these rumors that Josh rank was very unprofessional on the set and that were less led to him being fire from the boat. If that new the he claims he left on his own, but it's it's like a poorly kept secret that Lucas, basically fired him, and he was really close to starting. I didn't know this. But in researching the story I found out that he was supposed to debut and actual teaser trailer for the both that movie. At the Star Wars celebration and the very last minute. He didn't go to the celebration. Probably 'cause he knew he was getting fired, and they scrapped that teaser. So that was in two thousand sixteen by two thousand eighteen which is this year. James Mangold directed Logan was announced as the new director. And we thought all right now, it's going to finally happen. And then look film pulled the plug on all their stores films following a solo which didn't do as well as they were hoping. And so now last week Kathleen Kennedy confirmed that the both that movie is completely dead. So it's definitely not happening. But now, we know a little bit more about what it would have been headed happened in The Empire Strikes back. There's a scene where Darth Vader recruits, not just Boba fett. But a whole slew of bounty hunter characters to track down Han solo. I mean, both is the most famous of them, but there was a whole bunch, and they all have their own names, which I didn't know because I'm not. A damn nerd so I had to. I had to look it up for this piece, but they all have really elaborate name, and they'll have a really elaborate back stories some of which were flushed out comics some of which were flushed out in the clone wars animated series. So the film was going to be fat. And all these bounty hunters. We don't know what the plot would have been. But we just know they all would have been in it together. But now, it's definitely not happening. So Chris now that you're a nerd by proxy having been forced to to look into the stuff to write up this article is something that you would have been interested in seeing look phone gonna head with the butt with that movie. I really don't know. I mean, I'm of the mind that Boba fett is a really lame character. And I've never got why people love him so much. I guess it's just because his armor is really cool, but in in the stores proper films, and I'm talking about the original trilogy. He doesn't do anything. He's he's only two scenes and he falls into a pit and dies. And. Reason people love him, and I've just never really bought into that for some reason. So I'm not exactly I wasn't exactly thrilled about this idea. I mean, I like James Mangold. So that sorta interests me, but I'm not gonna lose any sleep over this not happening. I wonder how much of Boba fett some like the iconography, and the popularity of that character came from like, the toy line and kids playing with toys, and sort of creating their own stories for that character because you're right like he really doesn't do much in the actual movies. But h what are your thoughts about Boba fett in a movie or this version of a movie that never will be? That was super dumb when I saw him in the return of Jeddah. Yeah. Pressure expect one of those who was in both. But yet briefly. Yeah. And I should never him like hilariously like falling into the fan pit. And that was the most memorable part. I had remember memory. I had of him. I don't understand his popularity and I was very happy. When that movie got canned. But from what it sounds like from what prescribing kind of sounds like Disney or Lucasfilm was trying to do their own version of suicide squad with Boba fett at the center, you know, casts of colorful characters in everyone having their own distinct personalities, so I don't know if that would work out, it could be like the cosmic space romp that guardians of the galaxy was or could be the mess that suicide squad was, but we'll never know now. Yeah. I remember reading a couple of years ago. How Lucasfilm was having some trouble cracking the code of boa fed because he's supposed to be like kind of a bad guy. Like a bow. Bounty hunter, anti hero character. But they also wanted him to lead this movie, and they didn't want audiences to have to root for a bad guy. So it sounds like they had a lot of different ideas here in the couldn't quite find something that that actually works though, they ended up just scraping the whole thing. And of course, the as we talked about last week. I I don't know if Boba fett that specific character is going to appear, but certainly Mandal orients are going to appear in John father rose original star were show that he's working on for the Disney streaming service. So people have that to look forward to sometime next year when that service a platform, launches in the meantime, let's talk about avatar four and five these movies are actually already filming apparently, according to Sigourney Weaver. So about a dot this time last year James Cameron who directed the first avatar which came out in two thousand nine guys. It's it's been almost ten years since the first avatar came out. He said, let's face it. If avatar two and three don't make enough money. There's not going to be a foreign five. They're fully encapsulated story. In and of themselves. It builds across the five films to a greater kind of meta narrative, but they're fully formed films in their own right. So we've been under the impression for the last year that avatar two in three are happening because production was underway on those and has been for quite some time. But we are sort of thinking, oh, maybe avatar foreign five. Let's assume the worst for that franchise and assume that nobody wants to go see an avatar movie anymore in those movies, do terribly James Cameron is basically said those after four and five aren't going to happen. But according to a new interview with Sigourney Weaver. She said that's the they just finished shooting two and three and she her exact quote was I'm busy doing avatar four and five. So that makes it seem like she's actually working on it right now. Not just like oh. In the future. I'm going to be busy doing the thing. She's spoken the present tense like I'm actually working on this. So I guess I don't know if Jay. James Cameron's plans have changed and maybe the production timeline moved up a little bit guys. We're in this weird space right now where like I said it's been almost ten years since the first avatar and excitement for the sequels is probably. I don't know if it's at a low point. But it's certainly not like the internet is not in a frenzy about avatar sequels at this point. I feel like we're in this weird stage where five years from now we could be looking on this looking back on this is like the dark times when we didn't have any avatar movies. But of course, you know, FOX and Disney are going to be just like throwing one after the other at us for years after this, especially since Disney is going to be acquiring this franchise at beginning of next year. How do you guys? What's your temperature on the avatar franchise right now, all these little news stories that we've been sort of writing about here and there little pieces of of information about the productions and stuff like that? Or you guys slowly getting more excited for the possibility of seeing of returning to Pandora, or are you still at that point where like you don't care and you'll have to wait until the final movie comes out before you're even remotely interested in getting excited. I couldn't care less. I've written several stories. Vowed avatar sequels, and I still don't I can't recall any of the characters off the top of my head despite following this news and trying to keep updated with it. I just I I can't bring myself to get excited about this the series, despite you know, how the actors have been hyping it up. How James cameras trying all this new technology? Yeah. Just I I don't think that I will care unless the second sequel like completely wiles me because I was not impressed by as impressed by the technology. The first film and hammers. It was and I would actually be down for an avatar like theme park. But as a movie, I was not impressed send you out to remember what the official name of it is. But avatar land out the in Orlando, Chris what about you? What do you where are you on the where do you fall on the avatar spectrum right now? I know from working at slash film dot com. I've learned not to outwardly dismiss entire things. So soon, but you know, the first avatar made so much money someone somewhere has to like it. Right. I mean, it wouldn't have made that much money. If people didn't like it. But I don't understand who is excited for this. I mean, maybe I'll be proven wrong when it comes out and breaks all box office records, but I just feel like no one really cares about this anymore. I feel like it was very much a film of its time. And I just don't know what people, you know, even think of this anymore. I mean, maybe that'll change when the trailers come out, and it looks amazing. But yeah, I can't tell you a single thing about that first movie that's like memorable. You know, the plot is polka haunt his basically and the characters I don't remember their names. I don't remember anything. I I saw theaters I didn't dislike it, but I don't. I don't get this this multi sequel thing I'd rather James Cameron made something else 'cause that I'd be excited for that. James Cameron making a new movie, but not avatar two through eight or whatever it is. I man look at Titanic comes on TV all the time, and my wife, and I are always stopping and watching that movie and just getting sucked into the beauty of that film making. But every time avatar is on TV. I just flip right through it. Like, I never stop and watch even like two minutes in a row of avatar. So I don't know. I mean, that's certainly that's. Hollywood is his tapped into my personal viewing habits and making decisions based on that. Now, they're they're clearly not. But team at least say Hollywood. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I have learned never to underestimate James Cameron though. So I suspect that we're going to be looking back on this as like, wow. That was a really weird period. But now the avatar movies are completely dominant. Like right back up there with Star Wars. So I I don't know. We'll see if if audiences agree, but and people if you're out there listening in you are actually one of the few people who right now in two thousand eighteen is super excited about the avatar franchise right in let us know at Peter at slash dot com. Tell us why. And what you think about what these new movies are going to do Chris tell us about trial of the Chicago Seven. This is the movie that I've been writing about probably off and on for like eight to ten years. But I don't think we've actually talked about it on this podcast yet. Tell us about the latest with the stone. Yeah. So a little over ten years ago. Aaron Sorkin wrote the script for this film, the trial of the Chicago Seven, which is based on the trial of these political activists who were arrested after a riot during the democratic convention in Chicago in nineteen sixty nine and so Aaron Sorkin wrote the script back a little over ten years ago. And at the time Steven Spielberg intended to direct it. And then try one reason or another it just never got off the ground later, Paul Greengrass was going to take her directing. But they couldn't agree on a budget. He I guess he wanted too much money to make this even though it's a courtroom dramas. I don't know why he would need all that money. But that's where it was so Paul Greengrass left and after that it laid a dormant for a little while. But now it's back on and appropriately enough Aaron Sorkin who wrote the script is now directing the film. It's going to be his he said. Director aerial effort. Having made his feature debut last year with molly's game. So HD have you seen molly's game? I finally have I saw on the plane recently and the threat the threat. Yeah. And I liked it. It was I have a a love hate relationship with Sorkin. I think he's a fantastic writer, but I do think that he tends to get held up his own ask sometimes, especially when he has like ultimate power like in for example, HBO's the newsroom, which became super preachy and infuriating to me. But I actually quite like molly's game. Even if I found his directing style to be just fine. It wasn't something to write home about. But he did a good job. I think as a first time director. So Chris knowing the history of this project. Do you think this is the rights of formulation of it? Do you think this is the right? You know are all the pieces in place here. Do you think this is the one that's actually going to move forward? Yeah. I think so it sounds like they're trying to get this going. Finally, I mean, I would probably be more excited. If Spielberg we're still directing. But I mean, he'll be producing. So he's still involved in. I do really like Aaron Sorkin dialogue. I do agree that he can be a little man splaine. I guess is the term. But when he's not doing that. He's very good at dialogue. So I'm looking forward to see what he does cool. So there's one bit of casting news that I wanted to bring up don't really have a ton to talk about here. But I just thought it was a really inspired piece of casting. So Michael Keaton is going to be playing John McAfee who is the tech giant who created McAfee antivirus, computer software. There's a new movie coming out called king of the jungle. Where Michael Keaton is going to be playing McAfee and Seth Rogan is going to be playing a journalist who goes into the jungle to interview him. And I'll read you guys the the plot synopsis here, this is based on the wired magazine article called John McAfee is last stand. The film tells the wild true story of rogue tech magnate, John McAfee, the creator of McAfee antivirus software who cashed in his fortune left civilization and moved to the jungle in Belize there. He set up a Colonel Kurtz like compound of guns sex and madness in the film, wired magazine investigator Ari Fierman accepts what he thinks is run in the middle assignment to interview McAfee. But once he arrives in believes he finds himself pulled into McAfee is escalating, paranoia, slippery reality and murder. So. Elva plot does description and just the idea of Michael Keaton, presumably, you know, like wearing war paint and just going nuts in the jungle. Just kind of sounds amazing to me does anybody else. Have you read any of the stuff about McAfee over the past few years? It goes are you familiar with this idea that this happened? I, yeah, I'm only familiar with McAfee through the McAfee antivirus program and had no idea of the man behind it or his journey into an actual jungle and believes that's crazy. And it seems. Yeah. Perfect for movie starring Michael Keaton. Yeah. Apparently, Johnny Depp was I guess lobbying to play the role of John McAfee, but the real McAfee. Did not want Johnny Depp to take part? And I guess he had his. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not tight. He could be tweeting from the jungle. I just saw tweet that said that he he was really happy to hear that Michael Keaton got this role over Johnny Depp. So Chris what about you, did, you know, anything about the story you looking forward to this movie? I had a vague awareness of the story. I am looking forward to the movie, especially with Michael Keaton evolve. Because I love Michael Keaton. I love the idea of him going crazy on screen. So I think that'll be fun. Yeah. And Scott Alexander and Larry Carrizo ski. I think I'll tell you pronounce his last name the writers behind American crime story are writing the script for that. So anyway, I just wanted to bring that to people's attention putting on your radar and in case you hadn't heard about that project. I'm just excited that this could be the Oscar bid that for Michael Keaton Becca finally wouldn't him that trophy after he was rudely snubbed for Birdman, which I still remember that moment at the Oscars where he took his speech out of his pocket, and then had to put it back in after Eddie red main one instead for theory of everything. Yes. Yeah. We'll see. I mean, I would not be surprised that sounds like it could be a completely outrageous like perfect icon, Michael Keaton performance, so there's a lot of potential there issue. Let's talk about a movie called into the dark. This one is in the worst that universal right now, it is eight tie cave. Rescue movie H E, how many tikey rescue movies is too many. Seven. Right now, we currently have a Christopher story about two months ago that said that there are six tikey rescue movies that were in development, and now this would make it the seventh. So this is still in very early development because universal has acquired the film rights, but is based on a book that has not yet been published. It's a book called into the dark with the subtitle that dramatic story of the Thai cave rescue. And it's currently on the going to be published by Ballantine books and universal has currently had option the film rights, but it as soon as that book is published it will likely go into development and be the latest of seven Thai rescue movies. So we don't have any information about like writers directors or anything like that at this point the book while we'll be penned by journalists author and frequent TV pundit Ellis Hennequin, but nothing else regarding the movie yet just a yet another tie case movie. I mean, this is one of those things that it seems like an arms race, right? Like, I don't know. How many of these seven are actually going to make it to the big screen, but I can't. Imagine that all seven do. So we'll just have to keep our eyes on this. And see we'll see what happens there. Chris one of the next items that I wanted to talk about was a the twilight zone reboot that is coming to CBS L access has cast a lead actor for a very special episode. Tell us about that. Yeah. So Adam Scott who you'll all remember from parks and rec in a million other things he seems to be in everything has joined the twilight zone reboot in an episode called nightmare at thirty thousand feet, and that will sound very familiar to twilight zone fans because one of the most famous twilight zone episode the original twilight zone is nightmare at twenty thousand feet which stars William Shatner is this man who's very afraid of flying. And he's on a plane while it's in mid air. And he looks at the window, and he sees a gremlin on the wing, and this was recreated also in the the twilight zone movie where John Lithgow played the part of the man who sees the monster outside the plane. So we don't know one hundred percent if this episode is going to be the same exact thing as that. But the fact that it's that title really suggests that it's either going to pay homage to that or it is going to be like a a modernized remake of that famous episode. So. Chris I know that you are not exactly the biggest fan of flying. Have you ever looked out onto the window and recreated this moving yourself? No, I'm I'm afraid to look out the window. When I the first time I flew in many years last year. I guess it was I deliberately got a window seat. Because I was like oh that I'll make it better. Because I'll see where we are. But that actually made it worse because I would look out the window. And I'd be like, oh my God. We're so high up I'm definitely going to die. So it made it a million times worse. So every time I've flown since then I've made sure to get an aisle seat as far away from the window as I possibly can. Adam Scott is such great casting for this. I mean, I think he has that sort of like every man quality that that this person needs like, you know, if you get somebody who's too manic to begin with, then you sort of are already eaten there's nowhere to go really with that with that kind of personality, but somebody like Adam Scott who has such a huge range. I think he's going to do really really well with this. And this is one of the first pieces of casting aside from Jordan Peele, being the narrator of a stepping into the rod Serling role of this twilight zone show is the first piece of casting. That's really got me excited about the show. I might be actually is this the first piece of casting period, Krista. We know if there are any other people attach to any other episodes of any other news pieces like that come out. I am fairly certain. This is the first official casting we know about. Okay. Well, there are definitely getting off to the right start. Then I hope that this this level of quality continues in their casting department. Okay. So. So our last story of the day. We're going to step into the spoiler room for minute and talk a little bit about vendors for. So if anybody out there who's listening right now, it doesn't want to know anything at all about of interest for stop listening. Nell come back to us tomorrow. We'll see later, thanks for listening. But if you are okay with some I would say very very light spoilers than listen on. So okay final warning spoilers for vendors for right now. So Brad wrote this article today called avengers four will bring another unexpected marvel cinematic universe character back and last week. I wrote a piece about how the character of crossbones who is a captain America villain who showed up in winter soldier. And I think he was in a captain America's civil war as well. He's played by Frank Grillo. He is going to be coming back. According to Frank Grillo himself, the actor gave up that information on a recent podcast episode. And he said he's going to be making an appearance in vendors four in a flashback. And we you know in that piece. I was speculating about. Whether or not that actually means that he's really going to be showing up in a flashback or because there's been a lot of theories about vendors four, and maybe time travel being involved in some way, if that could factor in and maybe he was just sort of covering for himself by saying that it was a flashback. And now Brad wrote this piece today and executive producer Michael Grillo, who's actually a as far as we can tell not related to Frank Michael Grillo is an executive producer on adventures for and he was talking about the shooting schedule for that movie. And how really damning it's gotta be hugely difficult to get that massive ensemble cast together. And he his quote is quote when we got till the Swinton she was just a one day availability end quote. So that's our first indication that Tilda Swinton is going to be an adventure sports. So she, of course, played Stephen strange mentor. The ancient one in doctor strange in twenty sixteen. But in that movie, she was killed by a silliest. I think is how you say his name ads Mickelson's character the Bill. Of that movie. So I just wanted to throw that out there to you guys and see what you are thinking about of interest for at this point. I mean, I know that most of the actual plot the hard plot synopsis the really drill down. Details are still being kept under wraps, which is pretty impressive for a movie of that size. But what do you guys think about these returning characters? They're relatively minor characters in the MCI. But are you worried about characters like my big worry for Infinity war was they're going to be too many characters in that movie? And the idea of like hearing that smaller characters like this are going to be popping up even potentially in small roles. I'm kind of like do we need these characters? I don't know. What do you guys think Christmas with you? Yeah. There is always that worry that it's going to be too crowded. But I imagine that since she's only shooting one day, it's going to be a very brief thing. Maybe even like the the red skull cameo in Infinity or Reeves only in like one quick scene. But I don't know. I mean, I like Tilda Swinton. So I don't mind going back. But I. I don't know. I'm kind of like burned out on this. I just put I just wanted to come out because I'm sick of hearing about it every day. It's like what's the title? What's going to be in avengers? Like just just release it at this point. Not a nerd eventually. The I'm sick and tired of this. Yes. Exactly. Issue. What about you? What do you think about the tilt just went and coming back? I'm also of the opinion that it's going to be a powerful time travel plot. But I don't think it'll be an appearance that even is as long as red schools in of Infinity were I think it will be like a second. Maybe like you see all these characters go through their past timelines and just flashes by and maybe it stops for like ten seconds in one scene. And that's when you see her speak, and then that's it, and it goes backwards and Owl's also Ford's in time, I would actually be down for that. Because I think that would be very visually appealing and exciting. So that would be a cool possibility. I mean, we've also had casting for other characters who are rumored to be future versions of like young children that we've seen like Cassie laying or. Like a possible injection of Kate Bishop, for example, interesting. I had not heard about that. So. Yeah. Where I'm going to relate here. The recent casting of Catherine Langford that we heard last this Friday in an unknown role. There's a lot of rumors that she's either playing an older Cassie Lang, which is ant man's Paul dot. Yup. Alright. Ma that's a daughter. I I like totally Scott Lang's daughter. There you go. Got lengths daughter or an older version of Kate Bishop has not yet been introduced in the MC you, but is the female version of Hawkeye. Interesting. Yeah. So I I mean, I obviously I don't have any big answers here. Just sorta wanted to throw that out there. And and again, sorta take your temperature on this movie and see where you guys are Chris it seems like you're pretty much over it at this point on HCR, you I mean, having tracked all of this stuff. Are you still in the excitement phase for of interest for are you sort of dampening on that as well? I'm still excited I'm still in the same boat as I was before I'm not like, you know in a frenzy, but I'm I'm still looking forward to seeing this movie and how they will wrap it all up. Yeah. I'm it. Seems it really does see I know they were marketing Infinity war is like the end of an era kind of thing, but of interest for really does seem like a huge moment in the MC like the closing of a door kind of thing. And because of the James Gunn stuff and all of that. We don't really know what they're going to be doing beyond that. I think the studio is not officially announced a lot of their movies afterwards are at that are supposed to be. Coming out after of store, even though we know that they're in development, and they they must be working on them and pretty far along on some of them. But yeah, I'm I'm very curious to see how all this plays out. And if you guys have any thoughts about any of this feel free to write us, and let us know what you think at Peter Ed slash film dot com. 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#390  Paul Feig, James Mangold

The Empire Film Podcast

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#390 Paul Feig, James Mangold

"On the Empire podcast this week. We have our engines with James Mangled. Talk about lemon sixty six. Everyone's reaction action. The movie is Oh I know what this is just to our car ad within. We know exactly how it's going to add and I'm like well I couldn't give less of a shit about the cars and it doesn't end like you. I think it does and Chat Sensor with Paul Fig to mark the release of his new movie. Last Christmas I loved the script so much and there was like Oh and the ad bonuses. We think we can go live in London all all this and the usual movie news reviews nonsense on the only movie. PODCAST that has received a sonic the hedgehog style makeover and now looks fifty percent less horrified. Hello I'm Helen Harris and I'm once again stepping into the enormous clown shoes of Chris Hewitt who is so unaccustomed to taking leave which he did last week that it actually made him ill so I'm afraid he is now home with the Lurgi and we wish him all the best for speedy recovery. And in the meantime the PODCAST is mine. Oh I am sorry. I'm here hello. I'm joined by two colleagues of such lethal cutting. I is our west winger a man who insists every single single morning that young man bring him the finest muffins and Bagels in all the land and calls every single vessel from which he drinks the Cup of glory. It's James Dyer. In fact drinking from Cup of Glory. Yes it's funny like my my. My introductions have never ever evolves from the West Wing that's that's essentially into no although I will say Helen it's the Keg of glory more than the Catholic Lord. Wow I'm drinking from the Cup of glory but I like to think Josh Josh. Lyman will always be drinking from the KEG glory. Well he is a lot better than new. So this is in a frat boy we also have with as you may have heard him. In the backyard's I'm a woman who such enormous fan of the Lion King that his stay doesn't start until he's been to London Zoo. Hoist a baby animal. Whatever into the air until for Rock and wait until all the other animals bow? Did you know that so it takes him hours sometimes this is true. He doesn't even deny it. Must be zookeepers if you've been wondering what's going on it's definitely nice so yes we're here at least we don't have the LURGI. Are we Lurgi free. I'm lucky free free now. This is good Hurrah okay. Hey well done us for clean living in washing our hands lots. Shall we have a question. Sure let's during Helen. Okay so this comes from Carl Jackson. WHO's on twitter at Carl from wolves and he asks what other Christmas songs would you like to see turned into films? Obviously this week sees the release of last Christmas which does feature last Christmas Christmas by one and other music George Michael and Williams. What other Christmas songs to we want to see ooh Hertel New York. The old is already a film right. Is that story though. Oh God no no what you mean is a you know homophobic and what. I don't believe it is now. I think the film L. Mississippi is fine. I mean it's not fine. It's terrible but isn't homophobic that I'm aware of okay. This is the songs been canceled. The film has not been canceled. The Pharmacist roundabout word in the song has has been cancelled and song has not been canceled. Played though many more like it doesn't get listed because it was a bit. There was a big hall. Wasn't that sounds cancelled what what would use okay. Let me let me bring a Christmas song. Say I have to so one of them Santa Baby as a sequel to the boss baby. No I'm thinking I'm thinking actually the sequel to the Christmas chronicles. Because hus what I'm imagining will happen at some point own firm. SANTER CO assault senator baby which means that. What Kurt Russell is turned out? 'cause like Santa Baby and someone's trying to seduce sexy Santa Kurt Russell into giving them presents. I was super with you but super sexy sons Kurt. Russell turns NHS into a baby. Though it gets better it gets veteran so super sexy Santa Baby and because of that Goldie Hawn on Mrs Center has to step in to save Christmas really. It was just engineering to get. Because who wanna see that Goldie Hawn Asante do wanna see Goldie Hawn and Santa but I I feel like we are missing the potential of the song because apart from the name I feel like it's not a very baby centric song. Did you know by the way that that song has a sequel. So what there is a sequel called this year teenager. You're still acting like the song about babies guys. You need to get past the idea that the song is connected to baby. There's a sequel recalled this year sends a baby also by the case and it basically genuinely you can look it. Up is The story of how all the gift she got the previous year turned out to be rubbish and she needs new replacements. Placements wrought the world's most entitled Christmas Song Never Sons. A baby is a song where she's basically trying to seduce Sunday into giving her an enormous amount of some very rich presence. Diet for me that is genuinely a film that I think somebody should make an I would like see if they have because I think that could it ended up being a porn film Helen. No I don't think it would have to. I think you just need a sort of you need to kind of Marilyn Monroe fifties kind of. I've been a good girl this year. I just know and we need to sort of bad Santa Crossover well Lula Gilmore's gang fuck me scientific Santorin. I just don't need that in my brain. I just feel like there's a way to do this. I feel like it's a dying with love kind kind of Marilyn Monroe gentlemen FRY belongs Kinda thing. The could sort of work. I'm not saying I've ironed all the kinks yet. I think it could work. Okay Sir my second one. I'm still working out the particulars on once. Isis settled on this title. I'll be home for Christmas Bing. Crosby awesome okay. So stay with me but I'm thinking this opens up on the former COP in prison. Wrongfully convicted talk. You flavonoids a gritty students. There is one month away from getting out of jail talking to his family. In one of those things promising the heels they home for Christmas is going to be home for Christmas togas. This is why I took his two daughters tenure water. You'll be home for Christmas. One month later day he gets out. Is Christmas Eve. This and that is how how the media began thinking too low. I think it should be a sequel to the wages of fear. I mean it's all be home for Christmas or bits of meat will be smeared across the landscape. Like it's that's that's the level. You should be pushing this up now. full of Christmas spirit there. Well let me think what other what other I just wanted to say if anybody is listening to this any Hollywood producers the mind twenty percent the twenty percent the little the little drummer boy. I'm thinking a love. Actually spinoff starring Thomas Brady sangster's character right you have to. You'd have to see you a youth him that we D H Him. That's no problem. I think that could work. Santa Claus is coming to town well. That's almost certainly porn Komo you fatal. Probably so is uh-huh Mary's boy child coup drama about a woman could marry here. Okay moving on from that Jingle Bell Rock. It's the rock climbing jingle rebels sign. I couldn't be more. I have my own suggestion. One of my favorite Christmas songs and I'm not kidding is called Maliki Makah. Ah which is a Hawaiian Christmas song. which was recorded in the fifties as a standard? If you hear it if you look it up you will find. It's kind of spelled like it. Sounds Melika Kalikimaka and it is great. I don't have to go with this but I think it's important that I go to Hawaii for Christmas to research is so a Hollywood producers. If you're listening if you're not sure by giving I'm on twenty percent of your next film give me. I don't even need twenty percent. I just need the budget ago. So why for Christmas and research my undoubtedly hit navy. I'm saying if we don't want to be constrained by songs in which just pitching Christmas movies to Hollywood would. I'm just saying Christmas. Fallen Jerry Butler I. Who can we get to record? The theme Chin like Adele Dowell singing. Christmas has fallen. Kinda work right. I think she'd be up for it. I mean celine. Dion did a dead pool song so which is great by the way a great song is better than the most bond songs on this is. I feel like we're onto something here. I feel like some of these could be actual films. Made probably are in development developments. Wouldn't they making like three more. No as many things least off falling and one of them has to be Christmas and that's terrifying in London's fallen angels. Jews have already fallen. That sounds like a Christmas movie. Um Sort of it's a wonderful life isn't it. Yeah it's a wonderful life to angel has fallen uh-huh Colon Donna. Just don't have justice ringing a bell trying to get all the angels backup. That's an wonderful so we don't need more Christmas movies because we already. We have the perfect Christmas movie. Which of course love actually really? I feel that at that point. We can just retire until you're going to say well that was mainly if your own personal benefits reach across the table and I as I have stated before but I will say it again because it needs saying every year. I don't mind if you diehard is just. I just don't think it's clever originals. Pointed out a guys so just FYI. I love actually is certainly a film that happens at Christmas that I mostly like I think most people like bits of it. Everybody lies Amen Thompson bid known I on the Bill Nighy bits on the bill. Nye Bit's okay. Those are pre. Yeah uncontroversial uncontroversial. The rest is a little bit more a love every minute of it with the sole exception of the Kris Marshall. We're GONNA plotline is. It's just a tiny bit of the end. But that's the only part of it that annoys me. I can even deal with the Currently under Lincoln thin creepy as it is now. Yeah she couldn't did do better in that whole thing about that is not so much that he's it's a little bit me too ish but also. His friend entrusted him with photography at his wedding and he fucked it up. Yeah it's terrible isn't it if you haven't seen love love actually we've just given you a whole Lotta spoilers. It's been a few years. I feel like you should have seen it by now. Okay so Hollywood call us. We're waiting for your goals and ready and willing to make the greatest. I think Christmas movies that have ever been made in the meantime while we wait for the phone start ringing. I think it's time for an interview. We have to great writers this week but but since we just talked about Christmas it seems only proper that we start with poll fig he's a comedy genius behind bridesmaids behind freaks and GEEKS ghostbusters spy. I want a sequel over the all spin off Jason Status Character. I need more fires literally. The best film is evident. Spy is is really a great film but this week he brings us last Christmas. Smith's which stars Amelia Clark Yes her from. Game of thrones as a Christmas Shop Elf whose life is in and I think it's fair to say a complete toilets like Ostra disarray. Until that is she meets very handsome. Man Who's played by Henry Golding and I went along talked and find out more about the film. Now full disclosure. I forgot to press record until halfway through our first question so there aren't any friendly greetings at the beginning of this there where they just got slight. Does it just begin with you apologizing Nicole Kidman interview from Ostia. I just I just quietly you know we just did it just before the first question but I didn't actually we didn't him the only completely honest with you on the recording. This can we started going to be honest with you. I'm an idiot. I hope so anyway. Apologies for that but trust me he was a very pleasant man. There where pleasantries. I just didn't record them and here is the first question enjoy so Emma Thompson came to you with this film. Is that right. Yeah yeah she just dropped in my inbox about a year and a half ago. Because we're supposed to. I was supposed to direct the movie late night with her. Yeah and So we got together. There are a few times and kind of talk about the character and just really hit it off and major major league then when that didn't work out because of scheduling we stayed in contact going. Like what are we gonNA do. Where we we love each other so much we have to do something together? And then yes. The script shows up that I didn't know if she had just written it. Or whatever and then I find out that you know they'd been eight years in the making. I mean the minute I read it. I was like I'm in like where do I go. I mean if you can work with trump some work with Emma Thompson. Gosh Dame Emma Thompson can we. Yeah she wasn't he was supposed to be in the movie I mean she was producing it and then he had written at CNN. I always had the writers my movies on the set with me all the time so it was like you know you'll be with me the whole time and she wanted to be and then I was something going like well. How am I going to explain to people that I had any thompson on the set the entire time and she's not the movie you gotTa play the mom? She's like well. I thought about it but I don't know if it's a good idea and it was like I'm telling you you will be great and I'm not going to not let you be the the movie spectacular. What is Emma Thompson? Kind of glomming herself down for Christmas movies like because I love actually as well. That's a lot less glamorous that she actually he is. I mean that's what I love about. One of the many things I love about Emma is there's no vanity that would hold her back from doing a great performance and being all about the character and and she's playing characters these movies that happened to happen to just that is their thing. They're real life people who are having problems and sort of you know that's the point. They are are in their life. And I think it's so great but you know then you see late night. She's all clammed up gorgeous. So it's the mark of a great actress to just be able to lose themselves in the character so much that they don't really care ear how they present themselves and I think that's wonderful. Oh absolutely and she does look incredible in in late night. Young suits US exactly everything. So does it tell me about the rest of the casting Amelia. I think he'd met a while back. Is that right. Yeah like four years ago. I'd had a had a meeting with her just because she was in town when I was in la and that was a big fan from game of thrones and it was was Kinda curious what she was all about. You know because I expected her to come in very serious and STOIC. Like she's not an actress and she was this wonderful evil bubbly. Funny Person Just couldn't get over funny. She was yeah. You don't get that from gave me turns really at all. She's she's great in it but he has a place so contained in stoic back in and once I find out that somebody's funny I become obsessed with wanting the world to know that they're funny and so I left that meeting going like okay. I've gotta get her comedy and I was writing something at the time that was trying to write her into. But I didn't wasn't happy with the script itself so a couple of years later three years later when I read the script. It's like this is the one because because she can be a great actress and have all these great scenes jails we funny do physical comedy and was always London. Set this one. Yeah which is one of the other things that drew me to to it. 'cause you know I've been wanting to shoot a movie here forever and my wife and I've been wanting to live here forever. It's funny because I was just about to sign a movie that would shoot all in La and my my my wife going like well she goes. That's fun for you but for me just just my life just continues on as normal you know because we do have fun. It's fun to movies on location. Even though the Stresa making movies is always wacky but But it's just nice being somewhere you know it'll be paying for and you know when I read this. I love this so much and there was like. Oh and the AD bonuses we. I think we can go live in London Henry as well because I think you had to kind of wait for crazy rich Asians to come out. Were you worried about that being successor. That's going to be make. No I knew because my wife had seen Joe. We were friendly with John. Chew because when I did disciplined favor I called John Because I wanted to hire Henry just because I liked him I saw his online real of when he was a you know travel show host and thought he was so great then called John on like real and he's like Oh yeah he's great so because of that. We became friends with John In. My wife has always been obsessed with the crazy rich Asians books books this so great and so he let her come to an early screening and she came back for that going. Like this movie's GonNa be huge. She was just like fire about this thing so I was like. Oh well you you know because I read the script is like this is perfect for Henry but nobody knows who he is yet. That like the studio didn't know who he was bringing them up. Kinda like haze going to be in this. They'll let you okay. Yeah but let's try ready get so and so and this other famous personally okay so it Kinda bided my time until it opening weekend and then we went through the roof and I was like hey remember that guy. Henry talked like no we love him. Cast him was like okay. We've always been huge friends. You're my goodness there's also I'm not giving any four. There's way here but there is also a scene in the movie where he does a Little Sean Connery James Bond impression. Now have you included that specifically so you will look like a genius. One day when he is cast upon all I can say is Henry. Golding should be James Bond. It's nothing has been more clear in my head than when you see him especially when he's in a Tuxedo or whatever it's it's no that was just it was a joke that was in in the script already and it just felt right and then you know we've thought it'd be funny to have him try to Sean Connery. And it's you know in the Greg wise was on the set kind of coaching him. How to do the accent? There's very funny outtake. That is is on the DVD. And Blu ray of him trying to do a longer version little line and just really falling apart and it's very very funny but we kept it in. It's it's cute. He just bought. It gives you a impression of cleanliness. Exactly there you go right. Henry's economy via Henry. Yeah there is. There is a tiny show of Greg wise in the in the crowd Andrew originally too quick for me to notice and yet did you have any problems with that ice skating in them because you know. Can everyone ice skate. Well I mean. Amelia wasn't a great ice skater but that was nice because it's all about her not being able to escape. Yeah but you never want to get somebody on the ice and killed themselves either so that would be a downer. Yeah exactly but she's she's so good at everything but she you know she used it it to her advantage on. Henry is an amazing ice skater. which is so funny because I actually thought Melia find? Henry can skate having grown up in Singapore. But then you go like. Oh Oh well I know we do a lot of skating there and then he lived. You know he's obviously groping in London too so he was just used to used to skating and I was so surprised that he ah so good at it. Because I'm a lousy ice skater. But they actually reconnected with and I was out on the ice with them the entire time. Because we're doing so much stuff. Going around them with the cameras was that I had to have my monitors. I was like skating around behind the camera. Try Not to kill myself. But it's fun to be out there with them and also we had L. E. Palley all to ourselves which was magical. I mean that's the greatest feeling the world when he goes something like that and just like. Hey we're here I would just kept putting on my skates and going out there and skating around inventing reasons why I had to be on the is. I've got to ask now. Do you have to have like are there. Are there cameramen who have on their CV that they can ice skate. Is this a thing that will have listed as one of their skills. There's something going. Oh so so can skates what happens to them. We pretty pretty much put on a sled. Then have our grip department with these spikes on their their shoes going around. But then my DP John Schwartzman could ice skate too. He was like a hockey player so he and I are out there like skating around and you know because he's always John always is there would with like a balanced board kind of right off camera kind of sending Nice warm light and reflections up into the actor and actress phases. So it's good so he was very funny. There's footage I think on the the DVD -s kind of skating around who that while they're doing is lovely love. Scenery alternate kill ourselves. This whole group of people around the really. I literally like out of a job. And also explains why everyone looks so sort of dreamily. Perfect Yeah Yeah. Well I mean judge workman's such a genius cinematographer because a lot of these outdoor scenes in London. He wasn't able to do much lighting. Because when you shoot like on Regent Street or any of these populated related areas the rule. Is You have to be able to clear everything you have off the street in like a few minutes in case there's an emergency it makes perfect sense so you can't always be condors is an all these you know lights all over the place so John I was like we have to go out with my light meter and see if we can even do this movie. Because we'd had to shoot a lot available lighting but he came back so excited because he was on Regent Street. You know with just the those Christmas lights. Obviously I think we can pull this off. Bringing a few battery operated lights and just kind of augment with that. But I think that's why it looks so pretty because that natural light all the colors come out then you know if you kind of overlaid it I feel like everything kind of gets. It's kind of homogenized -vely in this gave so much depth and color and in in warmth I just love it and I mean that scene where they're in the Christmas Shop Alma College decorating the trees having that conversation that entire scene is lit just by those the lights on the tree so gives that kind of coup bricky and sort of glow Dr Barry Lyndon via these cameras. We shot on these eight K.. panavision cameras and they're just amazing. I mean there's there's so light sensitive live but also so beautiful. We wasn't seen. There's one scene when they're talking in the bedroom and the only take. I had that I really liked that. This woman exchange exchange. They have was in a big wide shot and I was like I want to be in close on them. So we're like well it's eight K.. Can we and so we blew this frame up so big. I like to turn this wide shot into this tight to shop and you cannot tell. It's amazing so I'm a big Fan of Eight K now. I do want to ask ask about that same. Because you're one of the few writers who has come to London and showed a film here and not have people living in palaces the fours which was impressive that is a Brixton. I think that was a that was brick lane. Wasn't it Yeah Yeah exactly. It was a bricklayer. Yeah which which actually Henry used to live on real life. Yeah he's lived on Tom. Street read was crazy. Yeah I hate that whole thing like everybody lives beyond their means. And they're they're down on their luck with this enormous place. No I really really. It was important to us to make sure that we have made this real. You know because it is. It's a story about like real people and also about how everybody's you know the melting pot that London is and all the things that people are going through and how you live and where you live. What happens to you in live? It's all part of that part part of the authenticity of who you are. And so I don't I don't like to have any false beats. Even though it's a movie that is you know has a fairy tale ish element to it. I just want the trappings to be fake. You know I think the the interactions can be kind of heightened or it can be more dreamy or a little more. I don't know Oh movie Ish than that. But I I want the trappings to be real at least for movie like this and you do have the the fairytale side of things as well. I mean Ah I do WANNA ask as well about the Christmas shop. Run by Shell Ios Center. I want every single thing she wears in this first start but I mean Michelle. Yeoh has not norman castle of comedies in her career. Why not I mean well? That's the thing but again this for me. It all comes from this. I always like to meet people you know like I don't necessarily that's like auditioning people in big stars on additional them anyway. But that's what I always anytime. I can have a meeting with somebody and not a meeting a dinner drinks or something then and you can really icy who they are and then I go like oh I want that person to be on the screen on his show the world. I want them to have their misconceptions that I had blown away by the way I did. Because I'm a huge Michelle Yeoh Fan. I mean I I love you know. I'm just as a movie nuts. And in all the martial arts and stuff so we've watched for years and years eighteen years and I had a big crush on top of yes so gorgeous but then Henry. We're shooting simple favor when ladies like. Hey you know Michelle's in town we're GonNa have dinner with her. You WanNa come as like Michelle. Yeoh exists you know 'cause there's certain people just go like well they're not real. You know now is i. I'm I'M GONNA have dinner with Michelle Yeoh really nervous too. Because I didn't know what to expect in them who she's GonNa get you punch me I don't know and I show up. She's the most wonderful warm person I think I've ever been. I couldn't get over at the minute. We sat down together. I think we were best friends and thirty seconds. It was just like connect with somebody and we had so much fun and then we just became obsessed with. We gotta work together. We have to do something together but I kept going. I want them to be funny. I'm GonNa Make Q.. Funny saying I'm not funny. That's all she'll say like I'm not funny. I'm not funny I hate to tell you you are so when I put her in the movie like you know even during it she's like I'm not funny as Michelle. Stop saying look. You're getting his audience so it was you know again when I see that side of somebody and nobody else sees it and I want to put it onscreen and I actually very much appreciate her commitment to ridiculous Christmas decorations. Because I am the person with Christmas robot on the tree. You know it's the The Fun thing about Michelle is she loves Christmas. She's obsessed with Christmas just the same way that Santa is. Yeah so honestly when she she was worried when I you know when she read the part. We're GONNA kind of be making fun of it and also kind of having her be somebody who has like a a because we always the store is always described as having so much like crap and and you know just like like in bad taste kind of stuff but she was really worried because she was like I love Christmas and I also don't want to be portrayed as somebody who's like ripping off people. It's no I totally get them. which I don't want that either? We're GONNA have weird stuff and we're going to beautiful stuff in there and it's because those stores are that and you just find out you know when you you do something like this and you're doing set dressing or seeing the interesting. There's so much the nothing that hasn't been made into a Christmas ornament. There's no noun in the English language that is not a Christmas ornament one hundred percent like sometimes things just because I've never seen them before but then I'll see ten of them the next year because something everybody's making like McDonald's fries. We the every every food item is an ornament crocodiles with pom Poms ornaments shared with the pump. The movie so that's is going to be my next thing. I knew definitely an what are you working on. I heard rumors about a monster movie. Is that yeah very written my first draft of it and I'm really excited about got it. Yeah it's for universal. Where my deal? Is You know. So they've got this old. The you know the Classic Monster Catalog and Yes I wrote this thing that I'm very excited about kind of based based on a there's a couple of side characters on the movies that I'm bringing into the actual thing but then creating characters around them or out of out of them if if you will and so I I'm not talking about who they are yet but I'm very excited about it because I'm such a fan of James Wale. Those older like the Tod Browning movies which they just had. They were scared but they had a good sense of humor about themselves but they were not parodies. You know so. This isn't young Frankenstein Stein. Which is brilliant? This is more you know I mean bride of Frankenstein to me is just the touchstone. It's just it's such a weird great movie that has like comedy beat Zimet and weird stuff in these extreme characters but then it's scary. That's what I WANNA do. I want to bring that bag. Amazing are you talking sir. Period sat or kind of modern. altern day there's a whole thing going as well as someone who also has a bride of Frankenstein Frankenstein's monster Christmas ornament. I approve my really good. Well listen best of luck with count come with say again. Quite frankly definitely going to Christmas movie. And that's the whole point of them right. I never never again thank you. I appreciate that. and which ones do you watch. which ones do you go to the wonderful life on this? My I have to can't be Christmas. Watch that Love actually miracle on thirty Fourth Street and die hard of course the classics. Yes thank you very much all right time for some movie news so What has been happening this week? The can only be one place to start this week and it is mcklusky okay. So I haven't the Disney plus. I haven't watched this yet but I'm aware that there are new four K.. Yes versions of the star wars films true and greet. Oh says MC clunky did so Disney plus finally. It's long away to debut happened or they're not in the UK and indeed a handful of other terrace which we might be getting them until next year but in the US and elsewhere Disney plus launched. Amanda Laurean arrived to mixed reviews and the original star wars film specifically episodes one. Two three four five six and seven and row Guam who all appeared in four K.. Hd Are Dobie Moss else which had never released had lost yet I in Solo have been released you hd but the others happened so that's a really big deal. Everyone was very excited. However however it turns out that George? Lucas blesses little tinkering. Socks has still been fucking about with star wars and he tinkered with a little bit more before he sold Lucasfilm to Disney. So this was done a few years ago. It's twenty fourteen and twenty two thousand twelve even twenty twelve. So he saw did it in like train someone some of that he's tweaked the dosing again and it's been sitting there waiting to be seen for those years. It has finally dropped. We've now seen and he has simply changed it one more time so to give you some in some some clarity on this. Obviously Veasley Rideau shot. I know you killed greed and any in the world acquit him. Him on account of preemptive self defense has absolutely he was to be shot he was about to show first Jalan go away anyway. I'm show agreed it's ordered. Were real happy with it. No one is having Hong George Lucas however did so when he did the nine hundred ninety seven special editions he tweaked it so the greed I shall I then when the DVD came out in two thousand and four he changed again so the students first but they closer together and then when the BLU ray came out they shoot a basically the same same time. Enhance Elliott has a little weird. CG Dodge thing was fucking now in the four K.. Version they shoot at basically the same time. Still still dodges. The scene is a little short few frames missing of greed falling now before he pulls the trigger for reasons known only to Himself Look Sahara goes mccloskey and that is his final word. So is this like somebody said this is something in hotties. Well I would argue. That greeted probably speaks. Rhodium a not haughty. He's mistaken wrong but I just assume he's eroding anyway. Apparently SA- Bulga says my clunky and apparently it means means something that you're about to meet your end or something. I don't know if that's true or haven't bothered to look into it but I can say the greed emigrants Mike and that was the word that launched a million alien means this week. mccloskey is now every film. It is now in everything you can't. You can't swing academy Internet without hitting a Funky. Who's one of those things I the twin indications popping up on my phone and see McConnell what is going on I just ignore it then one lot the one for this? I need to find out what this is. And Yeah this is why not kidding turn off notifications only drive you man. What's the best part of this? I like to think is our very own Ben. Travis never one onto let my clunky lie called up. Paul Blake the actor who played Griego and got his. Take on clunky gates. Oh my goodness I mean it turns out and this is absolutely true. He found out about it because BIB Fortuna texted him and said McKay and he was like Babe. What you doing man did was like check on the Internet? Does he call. They probably know Fortuna Texted Credo to tell him about MC clunky. I'm for that alone and in need all the other many things he has to say about this go to empire Dot Com and read bends interview with Pope. Like about MC clunky. It is glorious amazing. Yeah this name is made me laugh. I'm actually wondering whether there are other small tweaks to be found in the films as well because people have noticed that I understand why because Ashby mess around with more than any other place. You'd look I imagine there might be other subtle changes because I remember when Star Wars when the Three hundred came out on bleary. We reviewed them. But we made me review the extras because we didn't watch the films. Because he thought his family millions. I am therefore we missed new which is obviously horrific inside the liquor shops. At the end of the Djeddai when Veda picks up the imprint. French fries and on the shelf he now uses the same news that you hear. Revenge of the fifth on that again is horrific to watch. George George what we need to talk. Please stop please but but actually what you want from not to stop you. Want Four K.. Versions let's be honest of the original Kadewe. You and you've got to think now the Disney and Fox and they could legally do this they clearly going to cause it's surely a license to print money get a license like since two. Well exactly now I mean you can like people have on the snap have acquired thirty five mill- print scan them in a couple of different people who've done really really painstaking restorations of the of the original prints and released. Those shows illicitly in four K.. So they are available but other than that the official way to get the unedited ones is fire a DVD release which was limited DVD ROM. That ran I want to say two thousand six but they came bundled with the original versions but in classic George Lucas Style. It was a a big fuck you to fans because he deliberately included them the not in five to one. They're like Stereo surround. And the knock cleaned up tour letterbox there really grainy and it was his way of saying in. Hey you want the originals. This is what they look like. Isn't there a laser discs. There is dysfunctional swap. But then I mean who owns this. I'm betting they'll do that. When this guy will come out and blew the whole set? I wonder or I wonder whether they'll want to release the four K.. Special editions as they are and milk VAT and then once people of Bo Bo is. Maybe I think there's one thing left to do. Let's do this. Who knows in a physical media to an extent that it would be worth their while to do that? I don't I don't know I feel like there's a generation of star wars funds might like fucking boy I'll tell you so if Disney plus subscriptions start dropping off this. Did you see the numbers. So they released the numbers for for Disney plus. And I don't have in front of me in a comment but it was something ridiculous nine million subscribers on day one so it is a reason. Yeah I mean the day. It's yeah they'd had a bit of a thorny I I think the only down note for them because my clunky is good for them like it's fun for them but aw I think the man delorean's reviews have been quite scathing. So I didn't know whether that bodes particularly well but But then I think I've read a couple of us who said that. He picks up after episode one to episode two and three apparently pretty good. But I haven't seen I'm trying to know go cold Turkey and just jelly pilion trying to just ignore and mutant. All the stuff is good luck with that. Yeah I know already gift circulating of the final scene of the episode so you can't really avoid that head in the sand for now for those of us in the thirty first of March smart. I mean it's just rude isn't it. I understand it's business. Necessarily I mentioned at the top of the episode but there is a better subject trailer. Are we happier yes we are he no longer looks like like nightmare fodder. I mean April's horrifying I. It was it was. It was if it's quite uncanny valley but it's definitely uncanny. Ah He had human hands and weird sexy legs and it was just an his face was no and now he looks like the game character. which is I think a good move not to mention? That's trailer was soundtrack by gangster's paradise for some reason Julia got to do with sonic the high school you'll have to do with dangerous minds. Didn't really yeah but we should give a shoutout to Tyson. He sues the guy who led the visual effects team. Who came in and did all of this is really really the impressive honestly edition to the sonic looking better? Jim Carey looks like he's having a lot of fun when he's on four Green Batman forever vibes. No good thing. Yeah he had. He was funding Batman forever. I've got time for about some a limited number of Homey threw me kill me but not so much this Li- I enjoy a blue speedy hedgehog of the next person but carrying particular on. This feels like he is. He is firing on the absurdity cylinder which I do not I don't know or the other kind of comedy or the third comedy but you're willing to sometimes they'll either fourth Audi only Mike Tyson quite specific specific. We had a very very long conversation this week. About why you'd dismiss parks and REC is being the comedy of embarrassment. The office and I had to explain it. Some length isn't that that's true so maybe I should give that chance because I always thought it was from Sharman comedy which is which is the type of company. I truly truly cannot sit through parts and Bekker's on my Komo wants to get out of my own succession and stuff like that watching never parks and REC is comforting in joyous John. Just pick me up you need after successions so it's perfect. I'm also in slightly painful news. The joker movie has now passed a billion dollars at the box office. So that's the thing that happened. Well you know what Unity Heavens Enjoyment of film shall we say was limited but There was enjoyment enjoyment. That it's dumb that well I mean not. I'm not surprised in the anything. Attached to Batman is obviously going to a certain amount of attention. I think it's the it's been very successfully marketed as the comic book film for people who think they're above comic book films and I think that that has worked enormously well for them and obviously continues to do so. It is still for the record a comic book movie. Your children just like the US marvel fans it just has the trappings of intellectuality. That you so crave do you think Jimmy is the comic but movie that Moscow says you approve essentially does literally release it so if I were a cynical person. I'd say that you know discussion unfed into that billion dollar box office quite well. I don't think he's that cynical I don't think he is but Jeez it didn't hurt that film's box office. which book success stories more surprising to you joker venom? Venom van is inexplicable inexplicable. It isn't objectively terrible film and everyone went to see. I can only assume they left morose disappointed in cheated leaving joker they did go and see her and I slept that they saw the trailers right like it looked terrible in the trial is what it is in the trailers and yet people alighted to eighty fuck off with all being said. I am intrigued about Ventoux and circus and circus. AH IN CIRCUS. We Trust I. I would think that venom to Mike ultimately be a decent fill with them. There was there was potential. There you could see some the thing that could work the kind of more absurd moments. I'm sorry James. But they wear the more absurd moments I she worked really well and so maybe if they lead into that in this equal then they could be really owned something. Just I have eminem back on the soundtrack but I'm I'm also you can explain to me the importance of mark. Wahlberg apparently joining uncharted. It wasn't he at one point going to play Nathan Drake and now he's playing sully now is name. LG mental elder. Yes so like he's he's you know he's not a spring. Chicken seems like a slightly but any of this is young this young Nathan Drake so he has to make sense Tom Hall Yeah. He's a spring chicken so so so I mean I guess it works in that regard but again I'm I'm not honestly and ultimately what it comes down to is. I'm not on board for any uncharted film. That doesn't feature Nathan Nathan Fillion as Nathan Drake and ultimately I will be moved from that position so watches. I Love Tom Holland. I'm not there for this. Did you watch the Youtube. It's amazing and I love it and they should stretch the over now and a half from release it on the honestly. I won't ask her sally as I recall. Yeah Yeah I won't believe this movie's getting made until I know this. Meet the press. Release the day WANNA filming. I start because how many different situations it's just gone was connected for actually quite a long time one point so oh I should have a say while we're talking about video games. Someone needs to make the movie of death stranding so this is a game I thought deaths surrounding trending was the movie of deaths Toronto. I mean it is a little bit so this came out swimming. This goes it'd be lost weight went so this is a game where it's delivery is the delivery simulator which features reaches Gammo del Toro. Who ran a character who die Hartman and then Edgar Roy who pops up for no reason to give apostle to deliver and also him from walking dead a yes and also has been readers who drinks a lot of monster energy drinks it is absolutely bat shit in a level? I don't think I've ever encountered in a game before. I like my video games but I've never had watched a few of us of this game and it seems like you're walking from a to be a lot and that to me is very boring play. It is literally deliver. You have the delivery. Pack Doc was kind of on your back and the whole mechanics of the game are. Can you deliver these boxes from A to B without falling over. I I can't see myself. I've I've watched a views and I and I've seen politics on social media but I'm this like I know I feel like when Gamma del Toro asks you to deliver a box folks to someone on the other side of the mountain. You just do it. Are you going to ask. What's in a little bit? I would be worried. That's all I'm I think. I want to see this film making also in news this week. Paul Thomas Anderson has announced that his next film will be a nineteen seventies high school movie. I heard this and and I just started having flashbacks to like. Richard Linked Glider Saurav dazed and confused kind of movies. But Paul Thomas Anderson Making a good movie. The new movie is well. Actually the tourists good new movie from Paul Thomas. Anderson is always good news. So I'm still here for. I'm just like what why seventies don't know we'll find out we will Very good news. Also the Little Mermaid has find her prince. Eric it will be Joan. How're king who you will? Of course remember from from little women not that one the TV one from a couple of Christmases ago. So the one who isn't Timothy Chalet but who also played as I remember Lori in that film I'm not sure to be perfectly honest. He's handsome enough to play Prince Eric. I'm not sure I ever who in the world is handsome enough to play pin Prince Eric. So I'm willing to allow him in. He seems like a nice young actor fair enough given foggies been saying things this week. Please tell me it's not about anything. Well he did respond to the Martin Scorsese anything diplomatically. and kind of like well. Everyone has a different view of liquor. We've done we put our characters against civil war fucking we killed off of them and infinity. Walking okay yes I am. I think points but more importantly he made a comment about S- Disney plus which incensed a lot of people. which was that you will? I'm not understand the full story of the Msu unless you watch the Disney plus shows. I mean not spend obvious for a little while. Yeah I feel I feel for some of the I wonder whether like wander vision. Feels like something that will be a nice diversion. But I don't know that that's necessary unless it tees up your multi madness but I feel like it's I think it does I. Ah I mean or ties into the release. This feels a lot of people were like. Oh you know if you watch marvel's agents of shield he won't and it's like no really tuners it but but then because they were always on different judge Moore wishful thinking on our part than anything else because there was just. It was never possible to plan those shows around the marvel movies. That was why the events of Captain America the winter soldier came such an unwelcome surprised they dealt with it very well but there was no no way that they were going to be able to kind of lead on that so you might have something like that where things happened in the movies have repercussions in these shows. I don't know how much will we'll be going the other way because you still have to make the movies work on. Even though he said this and it makes sense for them to say circus. He's trying to feed the base and he wants to be to Disney. Plus but I would be I mean it would fundamentally bad filmmaking if you made films that didn't make sense without having watched TV show. I don't believe for one second he would entertain that. Will you get pops a deep understanding and background ground knowledge from having watched it. Sure why not but I don't think is going to fettes. Any one character have had lots more back story. That will have meaning two hundred percents in the same way that you get more out of for example watching silo if you've seen Rebels and clone wars. Because you understand this sort of mall legs thing his evolution as Garretta. Yes the adds more to it. Do you need to have seen it. No of course you and I think that's very much the case but that didn't stop the Internet from burning foggy in effigy for trying to make them. Disney must be day a ending in wine. Speaking of burning effigies. Just finish up. Limb House is making a new Christmas and announced this week there would be a PG thirteen which had people incense because Oh my my God. Every horror movie must be an hour the Internet because the Internet. I'm an actually the filmmakers of come back and go no. This played really well with sort of teenage girls quite frankly and we want them in our audience we welcome them into our audience. Why wouldn't you want them to have an introduction into horror you idiots? They didn't say that last bit free wheeling there but I feel like that sentiment was underlying it so that's happening and apparently the word from their screenings is good. But I don't know for sure so and so I think that's most most of it anything else for news for you guys hours just going to say why talking about Mc you Some Disney plus can clips have been released online assuring a little bits and pieces from what if also showing the new redesigns for Bucky and Falcons cap costume. which I like far comes costumes but actually prefer his comic book costume to? This isn't really cab. There seemed to be like somewhere halfway in the middle. This is the costume is the concept that we've we've seen is closer to the animated series then the comic costume as mightiest heroes. Event as my desserts is available because counting by the way Checkout how so I enjoy it but yeah I check out Falcons coming book top costume. It's much better. I am Becky we lamenting the loss of his half uh-huh four two although in the animated. Or if you will that we've seen he's got his head back. He's fighting Zombie cap and you can do that without emotion can also. I mean I've had this discussion with them before. I have an objection to marvel zombies almost entirely because they made Wolverine Ambi- which I don't think fits his healing factor January. That's my principle. Objection to the entire unstoppable Zombie. Because because he has not amandime skulls you couldn't shoot him in the head true. I'll bet through the I will. Maybe through apple glad I could help so I have a question about funding in the winter soldier. Okay so you're the Falcon right and cap comes up to you and says it's time and gives you showed in your life dude. I've got fucking wings one. How am I going to do with this? Like he has no superstring and I feel like counts. America works with the PHEONIX. This shield is an accessory. He was because he's a super soldier. You give you know Falconer. Show needs just a dude with a shield the man. Dan Has Wings down grading to hold a shield. He's not stay has the wings wings can use the showed. While he's he's not going coming to you we'll take that shield totally doesn't obey the laws of gravity like we know that is because caps super strong. I think you know you you give it to you. Give it to to Falcons lift expertly to before Zuma Talk Yeah I'm enough alienate anyway. Adamant isn't heavy. It's like Mafia refunds brain eum Helen. Sorry by brain. NEOM isn't heavy. You'll find. It's like myth real okay. Sure say that was a Geeky level thing. I'm by the way. The roosters are making a film but the rivalry between Marvel DC. But it's a documentary. Yeah that should should be interesting. I mean there might be objective lick. I'm sure they will. They will objective and I'm sure they will have great people from both sides. Yeah I think it's time for another interview. I'm we have a real treat for you. The director of land sixty six if you're in this country or if here in America the director of Ford Versus Ferrari shavings banks title. It is a better title. Apparently was quite hard to clear with legal in this side of the pond. Is James Mangold. So he has had an incredibly eclectic career so far making the likes of girl interrupted Kate and Leopold leads. Logan of course ten to Yuma. He's basically done every genre going. And so it was perhaps only natural actual he would come to the world of films about men and room talking about cars that you don't have to like car racing to like as myself in. Chris went to talk talk to him in London. Recently and find out more about sixty six. So James Michael Welcome standpoint podcast. Thank you for coming in with a lament sixty six six or four versus Ferrari. Do you have strong feelings on the title of the US versus the UK. This was one of those movies. Where in a way? It's the most unfortunate thing is we never landed on a title while we're shooting and so then it becomes a bit of a free for all upon release with each territory. You know the biggest problem you have is that well one of the reasons I think it traumatizes title the British press so much is that usually the UK title in the USA title or the same easy but all the other territories for. I've never had a movie where like girl interrupted. It isn't called girl interrupted in France. It's called Lab la silence or in Spain not the same in Brazil. Different ingredients different in China's certainly different. So so the real trauma is just why two titles in English speaking territories and the only answer. I can offer you as it's kind of it's a group of factors one is that apparently apparently for the Ferrari is not something we could call it in the UK because of trademark press. Laws are here than there where you're not allowed to use trademark that at the company who owns it hasn't given you permission to use in a title and so clearly I mean I think ultimately Ford. We'll get good things out of this movie as well Ferrari but but I don't think either company was in a position when I wouldn't even show them the movie yet to Give us a pass. trae yeah beyond that. I think there's also through through much of Europe of feeling that everyone knows Lhamo and in USA. I think one out of twenty people would what Lemond is so. There's that the educational factor as well also at once. You want to call the film the Mon you have the film Lemond deal with as well so is that why is sixty six and then the title certainly. I don't think we could call it exactly the same thing I wouldn't want I wouldn't have wanted to although if we're real about it. How many I mean? Maybe you're very specific audience. There's a hell of a lot of people aware of films like La Mama Grand Prix but so many of our right. Yeah Okay but the but. The reality is among the current cinema-going generation those movies. You know you're talking about one in fifty people who des. Yeah yeah so I mean this film's been kind of on your radar. I think since Insp affor- The wolverines right I I was not only on my radar but when I got the script to the Wolverine which was right around the time Darren stepped off it when I was on a meeting at Fox trying to get them to let me make this move but it was they still had. We're working on a different package with director and different actors and it was kind of locked up in that and I was just a Pirate Trang steal something so it was made clear to me. I didn't know that of course I don't go normally flying in and trying to steal other directors films but but I just read a script and S- in what's happening but the struggle with this film I think has always been the natural fear in our modern age that there's no one over twenty twenty five. who goes to the movies anymore and that it's an expensive proposition to make a film like this and without you know pe- character That is a known draw. Aw or a kind of property that is known draw to a very specific base of audience. You don't have a guaranteed return on your dollar. I mean for many in your audience. It's the simple reality studios. I wouldn't call them evil or good. They're just kind of impassive in the sense that they have a very simple role. I think William Goldman I put a finger on it which is the assume your movie will be Shit and and and which is not unreasonable because as directors and filmmakers we don't Batta thousand so they're putting their money on the line they assume you're going to make a mess and if you make a mess. Can they still can. They still sell a mess. And so with a superhero theme or known character victor or an hour an ongoing franchise they can actually do the estimations of whether this film will be a success. Even if it's shit and that that way A. F. I succeeded making a good one. It's just gravy. It's cherries it's it's it's all the better but you know if you get down to it when you're buying a house and you inspect inspect the house. Your House. Inspector is wondering how the House is going to hold up. In the rain now the household up after landslides. There's a mudslide or how much of a fire danger your house is is so clearly even our own lives. We buy things assuming that we can't think less of the studios for assuming the worst because most of us in our decisions if we are to survive in this modern world don't make all the decisions out of Romance We make them out of some realism. About what dark shit could have. We're trying to plant say you're trying to play. We're trying to survive survive. So how do you how do you kinda hedged for that. Is that part of getting like this amazing cast because this is a it's an embarrassment of riches. Well thank you. That's they are I. I am honored by all these actors who joined US particularly not only in the leading roles. which which you can imagine a really attractive but even in the supporting roles there's just a wealth of talent and your questions like interesting because on one level? It's not like you go. Oh well my movie topic is much of a draw so I eat better than shit actors you know you. Don't yeah you always trying to get amazing cast but the but the fact is that whatever it was about Jazz John Henry script the topic the world and and I think what drew me to the material was never racing. I'm not a big racing guy on what drew me were the great characters everywhere. You looked whether you're talking about Enzo. Ferrari the Henry Ford. The second were much more interesting than on the surface to certainly ken miles and Carroll Shelby who are unique and dependent upon each other and really unforgettable characters to all the creatures who inhabit the and the and the engineering world and the way they're all interconnected and competing eating with one. Another I think was really attractive to actress. So let's let's say for example that pre wolverine you had got the green light on this movie and you had snatched away from let other director Jim it strikes me as you could still made it with with Christian Bale and Matt Damon only have eight years ago. Yeah sure yeah different different actors in mind. Yeah no I I. At the time I was stocking it. I didn't even have actors in mind. I just had in mind trying to get my hands on it because I felt it possesses. I mean this project. Roger kind of possesses everything. I'd love to do in the current climate of film. which is it seems to me? I love to work on the big screen and as long as the world's leading me work on the big screen. I'm going to work on the big screen. It's a big screen story. It's a story that justifies the movie going experience not only In action but also so the style of the period the the look of that period the recreation of this kind of innocent romantic moment in sports before the world was taken over by television and sponsorship and when these characters were kind of mavericks cowboys in a way themselves and there was a kind of magic to the way they were risking risking life and limb without computer models or a risk averse abilities to build these cars. You had you just put your lives on the line. All that was so bloody interesting to to me but what. I was really trying to answer in your question. was what makes it the kind of movie I love to make as I miss these movies. Meaning I miss. When the David Leans of the world were making pictures and there were movies that were for? grownups were adult films with adult characters. Having real life problems paying their taxes holding their family together staying afloat fulfilling their dreams and that the problems of the characters in the movie weren't oriented toward an audience of thirteen year olds and and that we've all gotten so used to it that we've actually kind of disconnected and connect. You know when we watch movies. We kind of I mean I even think on the level of folks who do what you do we all just put on our thirteen year old. Inner Self Hat and absorb the film through the prism of kind of our younger selves. And that but I do you think there's a hunger and it's answered when you see certainly the success. I felt with Logan more what we may see happening right now. With joker and other films. There's no reason we can't can't combine fantasies and ideas with adult themes because that's what cinema has always done. It's just that the audience on the business model level has so shifted toward children that every film has to be kind of maintaining this foot in each door. I love to make films for a whole family. I love to make films accessible for everyone. But sometimes it'd be nice to see an action picture that wasn't idiotic or the didn't didn't build its characterizations on that of a pin. I do think that the characterization in this one was great and the balance of action to carry it to work into you know men in rooms talking saints which which I tend to love if they're smart man and get ready so there's things at stake and even though it's talking or kind of chamber piece there's something thing at stake I mean. Everyone can't be watching the crown or or fleabag or all the other amazing pieces we see on Netflix or HBO. Otherwise is that I mean. Even game of thrones mostly chamber pieces of brinksmanship between characters. So audience is clearly have a thirst for that and those are adult pieces. Isa's I mean. Game of thrones as an adult piece. So what's frustrating. Is that the theatrical movie. Experience has been somehow infantilized in however over. You'd say it adolescent is while the cable or television streaming experience is aiming itself squarely at US thirty plus year olds. Who Don't leave the home anymore? So this gets me in a twelve minute. Roundabout way to making movies like this as an effort to kind of sustain the original film as a theatrical trickle event not just the small independent original film that may play for three weeks in art and cinema but a movie for everyone and when we use the word characterization it sounds like some cod liver oil. It just means these characters you like or interesting who surprise you. And and who have something new to say you know and they do like continuous continuous spoilers. But you know I did not see Ken. Miles developing the way that he did not see Carroll Shelby that he did. That's that's the thank you. That's the point and in many ways I saw in our run up with the movie before a lot of the press had seen it. Everyone's reaction to the movie is. Oh I know what this is just just to our car ad within. We know exactly how it's going to happen and I'm like well I couldn't give less of a shit about the cars and he doesn't end like you think it does so it's like this kind of it's just is that plus I'm always amazed. They never say that shit about marvel movies and it's absolutely true. So the the the reality is that everyone assumes the worst assumes will we'll we'll lean into every trope and everything will end up with every fanny getting padded in a way that is that is obvious or stereotypical and I my whole all attraction to this story was from the moment. I I read it almost ten years ago. Nothing turned out the way. And it's interesting that far from being a car rod this points to some real problems in the corporate culture essentially a Ford in particular a Ferrari maybe to a lesser extent and it felt like there was maybe a parallel the way that certain other big businesses that you may have had experience with certainly. It's I identify hugely with these characters. In the struggle to make a car is not much different than the struggle to make a movie movie. You know I'm not trying to level lame at anyone in particular. I don't think it's about blame. I think these are the forces of our world culture and this is in the mid sixties. It's kind of turning point as corporate culture is taking over But you know Ford Manufacturers cars for working people affordable cars Ferrari manufacturers cars. No one can afford except the very rich or racers so they want. It's really the story of a battle between kind of working class manufacturer trying trying to get the cool or acquire the cool of an aristocratic car manufacturer and that to me in itself is interesting because it speaks so much to all of requests I even find Ford's quests sympathetic in that they feel dumpy and dumped upon but they're not even the same realm is for our referring out to make money in fact he's going bankrupt it's a Kotei ask journey of just making the very best bloody thing he ever can in fact if anyone has similarity in the movie it would she can miles and Enzo are similar characters. Because it's kind of a they don't care or think about tomorrow. They're just in pursuit of perfection action. And that's a really beautiful for me in artistic metaphor but also kind of romantic sentiment that I wish more people had today. Yeah yeah no absolutely and By I love the fact. You're saying bloody lots. Is that just totally. I'm like when the Clintons go to the south or the. It's I've been here a couple of days so it just starts to I. Also families of describing an apartment is a flat and so I I'm I've completely give me another two weeks. I'll start with an accent. Oh my God brilliant brilliant fully anglicised. So we're making mcdonagh. There's an image as I go very far so throughout your career. You seem to. You've you've always made left turns as a director. You're the guy who drafted cop land but also kate and Leopold Guideline David also three ten to Yuma. Non Lewis Films are the same but do you see the Matt. Similarities is something that that drives all his movies for you. Yes first of all. It doesn't have to be thematic. It's kind of my I love. I'm making movies I wanNA see and the everytime I jump on a movie. It's a two three five year experience developing and making it and I'm also trying and to develop myself you know billy wilder went I mean he made one comedy or comedic slightly comedic film in his first sixteen and then it is mostly known now as a comedic director. I've only made ten films. So Howard Hawks made westerns and comedies. And it's only a very newfangled situation that directors are so clearly branded as a teller of one kind of story or another. I don't think Sam Mendes should be reduced to only telling or making one kind of film having said that I also think that. I'm always in the quest for intimacy or a kind of naturalism or emotion. And I can only scribe Dr. This is the universal thing for me that if I'm making a romantic comedy I wanted to be one. That's a little less that honors all the classical movements but is a little a little less of a product that there's a little more of a handmade feel a little more loopy a little more personal so for me whether it's cop land or it's Cain in Leopold orients three ten to Yuma or girl interrupted this unites all of them together for me that I'm always after this kind of the ultimate special effect. Thank you would which is acumen thought recorded and each film teaches me something for the next and I think I suffered offered a little for this in my early years directing because it's so much easier when guys like Youtube can put me in a box because then it's easier. It's also easier for me to get hired. They become the master of Rural Cinema. or I become the the the new master of comedy or I become the new master of horror I get anointed did something and then I get lots of offers and material and books come my way all along those lines but when you're kind of a lifesaver variety pack you You you As a as a creator it makes it a lot harder for anyone to figure out what you are. You don't end up. As an honest many lists because no one's making lists of all around utility players. There may list of of the best in a certain category but I feel like I've reaped the benefits later in my career now where I can make any kind of movie next meaning unlike some of my peers. Who are now kind of locked in a prison of the brand that they built? I can make a musical. I can make more picture picture I can make A. I can make a intimate indie style. Movie I can make a drama. I can make a war movie and the doors are shut to me because the ground were. I've made aide enough successful pictures of different stripes. That people have confidence that I can handle. Whatever it is I choose to make and can I say one more thing about you know when I first started like most directors starting out? You just want to be a great filmmaker right and that makes you tight because it's like you're every moment moment you're shooting has to be bloody great has to be great and you're trying I'm also using bloody to replace a fucking am. I okay okay. Well then I'll just do fuck you want everything to be fucking great and it makes you tight. It makes you really really tight on the set. Everything is so precious. You feel like your career hangs in the balance if you don't make your great opus if this isn't as good as Fellini or or Antonioni or or or John Ford than your washed up but it produces a kind of paralysis at least for me of stress and and when after a first couple serious movies or movies where you had hopes of you know like I did in cop land or getting honored in different ways my actors did on girl interrupted. You suddenly make a movie like Kate and Leopold and we'll there's no way I'm ever going to any awards show or being held in the Pantheon for this picture and it produces this relaxation. Yeah it's like Bruce springsteen recording Nebraska on a cassette machine. You're just alone with your material. You don't have the stress you don't feel like you're GONNA have to get over some limbo bar of perceived excellence. You just try. I make the best movie you can. And after making identity and Kate and leopold coming back to quote the serious Oscar picture with walk the wine fine. I was really amazed. How much more relaxed I was onset? How much more playful would have better director? I thought I was for having made movies with a lighter touch touch where I learned. How sometimes really good things can happen on set when I'm not squeezing the orange so hard? Yeah well I mean for the record I would absolutely let me see James Mangold musical. I think that would be amazing. I mean according to. I'm Debbie. You're working on them well. You're linked to by eight different things I think at the moment. Can you tell us what's next to you know you can't. I can't not only because I can't but I can't because I don't know I literally working on about eight different things than just seeing what happens to feel right for the next moment All of them I think will happen. I think they're all really great. I mean I'm in a great place but it's about which script feel strongest. The the right cast assembles and feels right for the time. It's a really tricky time in movies and I think that you need them to play or work for an audience just to come out and see them and I WANNA make sure we're offering something. I think things are going to get better but I think it's really tough right now so I'm trying to make sure we do things that also also get seen just very quickly the force I love that Book Domains Lewis Book and you are attached to that. We've got Franken. I've been working away on a draft radio. I'm not writing off anything and you also said you a that each movie teach something to take the next so what it logan teach you going into dilemmas city. Six Will Logan Tommy of anything a confidence that my own taste can sell. I really had my seatbelts is fastened for a wholesale rejection by fans given. I mean not only did we challenge the kind of normalized marvel tone completely -pletely top to bottom and not only. Did we leave threads hanging and not even deal with our connections to the quote universe But I took for good measure in writing the script a couple shots at the comic world and out of love. I love those movies as well but I felt you know. I inhabit the character character that I'm writing about what I work on film and in the case of Logan I think it's the ultimate craziness when fans are like wisely wearing his uniform. Guy Like Logan would never wear era fucking uniform. He hates being a superhero. Why would he be walking around with like with like a trademarked outfit on it? It doesn't make any sense. I'm trying to make this character real and this guy doesn't like being famous. He doesn't like being a superhero. By what logic would he in the morning after a coffee and a bathroom trip go to putting on a trademark outfit with a with a logo. Go on it for the team. He is part of but all that angst on my end got out in the movie and in a weird way got enjoyed In good nature. It was being offering him but also in the reality. We were creating a lot line in his scripts which was put out there. The CG city destroying succoth on now passed into legend. That is well. It is what we feared. And what I even found that the pressure on me when I was making Wolverine would there's this kind of logic about the action and how often the action should occur. And how the big the action should be. And everything's gotten very programmed and I think one of my great regrets is two degree that sometimes the twitter verse and the Hardcore Fans Fans of these medium. Actually play into the way they've been marginalized people think they need to be fed. Certain things to be happy and then when they aren't Fed ed them. The audience does go nuts and improves the marketeers right that they've achieved a formula and we just have to keep making this soil and green and everyone will be happy and that I really think the reason we love comic books. Those that is the love Comic Books Not Comic Book Movies but coming books was at the Jack. Kirby's made things the new they didn't draw last year's silver surfer. They did draw last year's fan for they didn't Superman was reinvented. Seven Times to the point where they had to create a golden and Platinum platnum and or whatever universes they had to to account for all these reinventions and remaking that filmmakers are bound to this kind of idea of festivities this connection to one another only reduces to making episodes in the world's most expensive television show as opposed to really exploring cinematic. Louis what can be done in to any need agree. Marty's recent comments the headline in Empire refer more to that. I think making a generalization. All movies are all any movies is extremely dangerous addressing because there's great shot happening marvel. There's great filmmakers working for them. There's great filmmakers working on Star Wars universes and other sequels and originals all sorts of stuff but whenever we get into an assumption and a feeling you get sometimes from some of these films that they're more about selling you on the next movie the One you're currently watching or on a kind of product line or that's where I start to detach and start to wonder whether it's quote cinema or just marketing on the most galactic scale where where things some of the attempts to ape the marvel model have fallen down because of that. Because it's been so nakedly about yes ended up a universe. You have a story to tell you. Also what I think. Kevin Feige Marvel had been really smart about is that in most cases they don't see I don't think the superhero hero film as as they make comedy or they'll make us a kind of a bridge over the river. Kwai or a kind of the last. The you know They'll make they'll make a war picture or they'll make a kind of force kind of guns of never owned picture or they'll make a comedic heist movie but in each case. I think they assign just like we did with. Logan is a western kind of war. you assign a kind of genre to your film. And then allow these well-known characters to exist and explore that genre as opposed to assuming the genre itself is just create a big villain Hira famous British person to play them. Give them a costume. That doesn't look like the last movie and we'll please the fans fans have everyone reassemble slightly tweak. The outfit so that bag scenes like yours can do stories on the quote new. Look and on and on but it's like the real fun in those films that came from guardians or came from ant man or some of the great moments in in the avengers movies is where we're the film's embraced. They're kind of roots in war. Movies and Hercules Achilles pictures and heist movies and the lineage goes back further than six years. Yeah James Mangold. We could talk all day but sadly European snatched away from us. But it's been a a pleasure pleasure guys. Thanks always look forward to seeing you in the next mystery project Khalil's and say all right time for reviews which was this week brought to you by the lesser are l.. And the person Adam driver so let's let loose with with the L's first. Let's talk invite about the man's sixty six. Okay let's do it. This this is as you have said James Mangold film about Lemond the twenty four hour race in. Yes you guessed at nine hundred sixty six then. I'd just rather shit together. So this stars Matt Damon as Carroll Shelby the famous call designer behind the Shelby Mustang among other things and drive a Ken malls play by Christian Bale who's sort of a volatile l. call driver who's enlisted here to take Ford up against Ferrari which at the time was unthinkable because dominated that race in the lemond twenty four hour in and not just six story by the already of God. It from there is that Ford is the plucky underdog. Arie is the behemoth in that scenario. Yeah so yes. This is an interesting one. I really wasn't sure I was going to like this filming is I am not big fan of racing I just if I thought a twenty four hour is just is my idea of living hell and yet and yet this is really compelling and it's carrot. It's a lead like Ken. Malls bail is brilliant small. He's volatile. He's off his fascinating about how we get screwed over by four and and you know how he approaches. All he's a he's a really interesting sting kind of person who's got his own demons to deal with. It also is one helluva driver. And then I think Matt Damon has already get your sort of charismatic car. Designer who's also trying to navigate AAC managing miles but then managing upward to the head of Ford. And then you've got Josh Lucas as a eleo baby who's kind of folds number two. Who if I have to say of every character in this is the one that didn't work because he's almost sort of a sort of cots out? Corporate Goon fell. I'll be interested to see how close to reality historial. Waylon is because I felt like Hollywood embellishment to me but it's not a short film two and a half hours long. which in some ways makes us on amount of sense because much as it is as an endurance race? The film is also a bit of an endurance race. And by the end of it you feel a lot lot. You've been driving for twenty four hours but even though it as long it is also recruit. It is really. It's it's a lot of men in rooms talking like there is a lot of that. There's lots of men in college driving. So that's like I don't care about car races like I'll tell you I oh and I find this film fascinating anyway is about. Corporate Culture is Bureaucracy in in an interesting thing like it's looking all these different forces that Kinda collide and get in the way of themselves. It's not just manning car versus other drivers it's manning car versus corporate overlords August company politics. I is all these sorts of elements and even down to the fact that they have a problem with the car that the brakes keep overheating. And then it's the legal wranglings of whether or not it's technically within the room to remove the whole brake assembly mid race. That doesn't sound very interesting but actually in the context of the film. It's really good and also you. Should I know that this film has a habit of cutting fairly regularly to John. Barren tells Lee IACOCCA. WHO's another car legend? Just having reaction shots has so so many reactions wasn't feeling he's like dress. Like don draper has reaction shows every five minutes. It's amazing about this. Their head of marketing is the fucking punish. He's also built like the fucking punish so the head of marketing looked like he could literally tear anyone's head off while he's sitting this morning at them and I early enjoy bass boats on that. I thought it was fun. I love Jonbenet and finally I think he should be in everything so I had this conversation online with Hollywood. We religiously saying this should it'd be a condition of your film. Being up for all is at least five minutes worth Jones reaction shots spread throughout the film. I mean randomly. I wanted but I completely agree. I had from me and we actually watched this eight. AM and any time. He'll fully engrossed in the movie at that time of the a day. You know that this working and I was really into it and the bromance between bail and Damon Kaya. This is great at one point they fight and it's just that the wife life with the play the play by Katrina about frustrating for her because she doesn't get much to do doesn't know pointing she's also people from outlander right but she that she just watching them for a very very funny. I really enjoyed and mom this little predictable but I was really into it from. I'm enjoy them. He puts on. I say doesn't excellent plummy accent. He sounds a lot like a peaky. Blinders for most of the people were thrown by. But it's a lot of fun even if it is like the race unnecessarily long that's possibly jury and then we gave it four stars which is a very strong recommendation agree sticking with the letter L. Let's talk about about our other director interview this week last Christmas. So yeah last Christmas Milk plays cates. Who what's the job as a now? The London store owned by Michelle. Yeoh and his name is literally Santa whose name Santa. Yeah I like that touch. Yeah and as we mentioned she's in the downward spiral but then she meets golding. And and that brightens up her life. That's fair the aren't with this. One is forgettable fund but fun all the same. I think clocking building a very charming together and Clark is really likeable. In this movie she has to carry most of it on her shoulders and she does that very well. Golding does a bond impression at one point in the movie. That's that's not going to do anything to quieten down. Those rumors and I one thing would like to see building. Ethnic Promvonsga Craig is done in the role I liked Emma Thompson who also wrote the movie. She's very funny. As case Yugoslavian mother and the movie also has a few things to say about brexit. which is initially jarring to me but they circle back to a couple of times and ends up being quite effective? I agree with ten percent of what you just said. which is my dominant five highs in that Emma Thompson writer and she's great and I had so much goodwill going into this because I I love love actually saw softball for? Let's be honest Shit Christmas movies with Emma Thompson and I love Emma Thompson so anything anything she wants. You think it's got to be great. The problem with this is a hits. All the schmaltzy notes someone actually does but while she is awesome on every level. She isn't Richard Curtis and it's not the writing for this just wasn't up to it for me also and this is where I'm going to scream at the Henry. Golding was fucking absolutely terrible. This no entirely early by his own fault because his character easing credibly bland unto dimensional and from the little bit annoying and quite condescending. So I think he's problematic. I think he's under under served. I D- I don't agree that he's condescending because I think that is character actually She's like I'm homeless. Well his a homeless shelter though. I volunteer you like. How is that helpful helpful Henry? Well no I think he's. I think there's a little bit of almost tough love there. which is weird? I think it's more film about her getting her shit together than is about the Roma. Oh my I think. That's why some of the romantic scenes feel off. Did you nothing. Genuine cannot remember a quote unquote romantic movie. Where the leads have had show little title chemistry as to almost repel each other? Whenever I feel that it's Khomeini the O? I just shot it. I was like if there was close to kissing. ooh feels we'd like in. Their devoid was so not romantic with so little chemistry. This looks like watching a brother. Kiss Assistant Star Wars and I just didn't I I just didn't feel the love at all and his bond bitten is cringe-worthy as if you are going to palm is no and a half now and the one thing I will say for this I thought Media Clark is this film's saving grace. She is so charming and so likeable and even now sometimes she doesn't have that much to where we're at Thompson. Kasama saw the bits in this there moments in this genuinely funny so I think it's not like Zuma's for me it's here. I missed great stuff in this. And there's less good stuff in this. But I think Clark elevates the stuff that she has hey good really good. I think we'd like she's full into an unfortunate rottweiler. She was crying gamma threatens and most of the other things. She's have been Paul. I'm starting to think maybe that was it. Maybe she can only do the nearest Doug Marion in this. I think you know what she has. Chops as a comedy actor can see her getting great roles off the back of this. The thing thing with this film really as severe two things safe for Thompson because high characters Gr and Save Michelle Yeoh who is literally the best her wardrobe. Yeah in her. One Liners Thompson writes. Brilliant one liners and Yo- delivers them perfectly. And I think the subplot all of the up law is genius and when an talk about it in detail but when you get into the reason why she's called Santa that was my favorite Rifkin the entire show here so there is stuff to like him this but I found. There's a lot of stuff to hate in this as well. Well and all of it is Henry. Golding sorry Henry. I'm sure you're not in this. So three stars then for last Christmas which is recommendation mendacious. Obscene star is a gift. Let's take his own b break and let's talk about little monsters which is a new Australian film film which stars Lupita Yongbo as a kindergarten teacher. Who takes her kids on a class outing? She's lovely. She's wearing a fabulous yellow dress. She Shing takes him on a lovely outing. She has a Ukulele with her all his right in the world. They're going to a petting zoo at a farm and then a Zombie outbreak happens. So what did we think of little monsters. I enjoyed it but but there's about so alexander England plays Dave and these another contest trying to get his his shit together and he has a nephew who he's trying to help out and he he's he's really going on the class trip to try and get with the teacher and he's a character who for me doesn't deserve what he gets by the end of the movie and that was an issue for me but I still did enjoy this movie I think the Taylor swift to the titans of really funny I of her sons in my head by the end of the movie and I would recommend it but with caveats I I think is really cute. I mean you're right so Dave's character is awful and he is his fixed on Miss Caroline. So I think you're meant SEC- assure love interest developing there but really he's he's he's nowhere near her league. She is incredible we should also mention Josh. Gad is in this he he plays a sort of kids TV presenter whose Teddy mcgarrigle I believe is his name gray. cartooning terrible human being. It's is on B. Movie. I leave it to you. Imagine what might happen to terrible human beings in this movie but it is really inventive. I have not seen a Zombie movie. That focused on tiny children before. I'm very much enjoyed. That and I very much enjoyed the fact that Lupita Yungas Miss Caroline acts like a teacher through. She keeps counting them to make sure everybody's there she keeps everybody's spirits up. She worries worries about juice boxes. And you know snacks toilet breaks and things like that. She's just adorable and also for miserable and it's a heck of a mix so I did would really enjoy this. It's very funny. It's a very funny movie. Although there is a lot of blood and Gore as well we gave this four stars. It's a good week. Isn't this week wraps up the portion brought to you by the letter L. Let's talk to you about the portion brought up by the actor Adam driver and we'll do the report I because I feel like we're going to have much more to say about my story so the report is the story of Senate staffer a US. Senate staffer done Jones whose bye-bye driver who is set by Diane Fairstein the California senator. WHO's played by Annette Benning to investigate the use of torture or enhanced interrogation by the CIA in the aftermath of nine eleven and so he spends years on this report only to find that it threatens never to be released once he's finished comes to us from Scott Z burns? What what do we think of this one? I really liked it. I think the the second half is much better than the first half I think partially because the beginning of the movie that starts off with the people who are charging ahead and drive his car to do this you have two main too emotionally of neutral Get emotionally involved that way and then sort of unsurprisingly. By by the time the second that's awesome out. He's very much emotion involved. Once that happens. The movie gets a lot more interesting and on the driver's incapable of giving a bad performance and once once that AH emotionally starts to kick in. I really became invested in the second. Half was really is with great. Yeah I think he's good at showing that gradual development as well. It shows him going going from you. Know he's he's passionate about. The law is passionate about doing the right thing. But he's not particularly engaged in this topic above all others until the time goes John and then and then this gigantic report. He's he's compiled threatens never to be seen within the first exposition dump. We should say as well. I mean it has has to be a film by people talking. That's I mean you could say the same about the man I think I feel like. It's it's an this is another. You know films all about people in rooms talking but it again. They're incredible people playing interesting roles. So you're kind of willing to allow it but yeah I think again. I'm drivers is phenomenal. I feel like this is the film. It's GonNa get lost in the shuffle this week but even if you don't see it now do look for it. It is a really heavy hardcore. Look at a horrific episode in American history very and an indeed. You know Britain's implicated as well in in terms of extraordinary rendition and stuff like that. But it is. It's a really really fascinating film and a really rigorous rigorous feeling look at it subject matter so we also gave that one four stars. What frigging week? Oh my God and it's only going to get better because now we cut the other other either driver movie of the Week Marriage Story. From Noah Baumbach Scarlett Johansson and Adam. Driver play a couple Nicole and Charlie an actress and director who are married and who are breaking up. It's Marital Bliss and movie poems makes you feel good about your relationship you know. What a genuinely weirdly weirdly does give you a weird sense of hope for love? I find this really. I find this ultimately very life affirming coming in a very strange way I can entirely But I think it's an extraordinary film. This is a really even-handed handed look at both people in the in the marriage and both are decent. People both are trying to do their best for their young son. Both are also trying to do the right thing for them. So the the issue is that Nicole's been offered a job in La. She's going to take this job in. La The first time. She's maybe made aided decision entirely for herself. In the ten years of the marriage. Charlie is still based in New York. That's where his theater company is that he is devoted to where his career is and yet they have this son. Where does the son live? Who Does the son live with? How do they balance this life? Can they do it. Amicably without any lawyers involved left or is it necessary together. People involved in some way on. What will be the implications if they do so? It's dealing with some. I think it's fair to say enormous issues right now. I thought this was incredible. And Yeah you you said very even-handed and initially when I came out of the movie I was very of not very slightly skewed towards Scotch But the more I think about it the more I think you're right is very family. Even that's a tricky balance to get right. But Noah Baumbach does the performances are just out of this world. Believe I'm you know I mean for for all all of jokers fault say I have declined also most advantage okay. but Joaquin Phoenix in. That film is great but at the same time. If I don't drive does not win. Best Actor Arthur this. I don't know what we're doing because he is on another supernatural in this movie on top of everything else that we know he can do very well and I can apparently Singhvi well which is just unfair? Almost but he is great. Scarlett Johansson is great. It's just messy and war and human in all the waist knowledge. This devastated by. It is my second favorite movie currently of twenty. It's very high up in my top ten as well. I think it's an extraordinary film. There are also other great performances formed. We should mention Laura dern does turn up as a as a divorce lawyer that Scarlett Johansson Consults at drivers character ends up talking to lawyers played by I and all in Alda. And they're both amazing amazing characters as well. There isn't a bum note in this film. I have to say it is just when the banks. It's also funny. It's sad it's funny. It's warm it's terrifying it's upsetting. It's a loving it's hating. It's just everything else is a great Randy Newman score to. Just yeah one of the easiest five star ratings. I will arguable movie. which is what we did? We gave it five stars and that is a heck of a recommendation so for those keeping score at home we have last Christmas on three stars which is recommendation nation. We have little monsters the report and the man's sixty six all four stars and we marriage story on five stars. If you don't go to the cinema this week there is something wrong along with you with the best in the world get out there and see stuff and what a week I mean. I'm driver must be exhausted. I don't think we will see him in another big film for a long go. Hey must be home for the duration. Wouldn't you say joins us. He won't be back in cinemas with no no. There's no Adam trauma films I can think of No not anytime soon. Now I think that's it so anyway Great Week for cinema. Yes Marty Yeah so do please get out there and enjoy it now. Just sort of personal podcast note. 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Matt Damon, Christian Bale, and James Mangold

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Matt Damon, Christian Bale, and James Mangold

"You're listening to castle car. CAST on podcast one okay. Well we're going to hear the Matt Damon Christian Bale and James Mangold episode. Here from from the Peterson Museum on such a fine movie so we got that. Come in I Tommy John Tommy. John is getting extra ballsy. This holiday season with an unbelievable offer exclusively for my listeners. Twenty five percent off sitewide shop their biggest sale do it now. Experience amazing fit and feel the products like the breathable breathable wedgie proof underwear. Ridiculously soft lounge wear guaranteed to fit perfectly. Ladies first off you can kiss this panty lines. It's goodbye with the Tommy John Underpants. And then you can also upgrade the most comfortable Bra on the planet guys got the Horizontal Quick Draw flies in a more fly fishing Asian down. There they're just the best they're all I wear. I've literally never since I got Tommy. John never worn another brand of underpants ever again. Plus they got the no wedgie guarantee. 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So I came in loaded with information and sort of worried that I was going to be bumped and I wasn't Tessick Nick and everyone thought with loved as well. So congratulations number. One on knocking it. How ballpark and how how much into cars or the sport or the hobby where you guys into? Before you started the film Matt You can start. I wasn't which I think was an asset because I along with the director. We talked about that. He he didn't ever fetish is the cars because he wasn't mcharg Guy you know. And so you're always going just for story just for story. And this is a really wonderful story that I think transcends cars and so people who aren't car people. I think people really enjoy it. Yeah I totally agree. It's all lot of heart in an like. I mean like any movie like rocky wasn't really a boxing. Movie a movie yeah about heart and overcoming adversity and all the things and boxing becomes pardon the Pun the vehicle to just express all that so Christian. How about you? I think more than some but nothing like you like I I loved. It was very bonding experience. In between my dad himself. We would watch Formula One when I was growing up. One time got to go to brands hatch absolutely mind blowing loved Apish irrevelant prost and Senna Nikki Louder Show. Oh Santa Tragically die on the TV show had that passed and was aware of them on as well so anew shelby a anew lemond by didn't know Ken Miles didn't know the story about sixty six Ken miles after doing the documentary. I just said the stories stories Ken miles like that's crazy star mean everyone knew carroll shelby and a household name nobody knew Ken Miles and nobody knew the tragedy of that story. And I don't want to spoil it but we could have done a whole movie on the ending. Yeah on on. Just what happened to Ken Miles and how that works and how people memories and they move on and you don't even know this character even amongst Karn throughs. Yes I would have to bring up the name Ken Miles and they didn't know about it and I thought you did such an amazing job playing him because he's interesting quirky different kind of guy. I think it was a real saving grace. And the guy was a very strong character would not compromise it till we we he was a real purist a real purist racer. He considered himself first and foremost Mechanic but was a phenomenal racer and that that search for this kind of perfect lap in this purity tapie of experience was his saving grace but is absolutely Achilles heel as well he just was constantly shoot himself in the foot. Winning does Luge Asian the war completely and now getting long in the tooth and not really having any opportunity until shelby recognizes in his friend if he would just shot up for once and let shelby shelby just give him some kind of strategy than he can put in there and the fact that these guys bloody did it you know and they took on God in the form of Enzo Ferrari D One is phenomenal. You know it's funny. Someone was interviewing me. And they're talking about how mighty Ford was and how Small Mall Ferrari was. But I said you know Mike. Tyson was the smallest heavyweight in his era and he just knocked. Everyone's ass a house. So Ferrari Ferrari. Was Mike Tyson like sure. They were Little Boutique Company. Not that well funded but they won all the time so in a way they were the giant. Yeah up against Ford was physically the giant but then have those wins. It's incredible story. I know you got to meet Peter. Miles the son of Ken Miles. which is much of that much of the the story revolves around cannon in Peter and Peter this this he must be over the moon about this? I hope so. I do hope so. I watched the film with around with peers. Door and Elvis. She really bloody move in having the film you'll understand why for that. And he was so helpful to me and telling me stories of is dad giving me and our personal artifacts and photographs and all of that he was. He was really generous. Jason I would be texting and photographs from the set. I'm throughout you know. It was wonderful to have him around Matt. How much did you know about shelby I it's always funny whenever they go. Matt Damon's GonNa play Carroll Shelby. I Know Matt Damon. He can't play then you see him and he's Carroll Shelby became name Carroll Shelby. Yeah I didn't know I mean I knew I obviously knew he's kind of an iconic guy but but I didn't know a lot about him and I didn't know a lot about him in relation to this story story this relationship that he had with miles which I thought was really you know it was really the kind of the basis what I was doing in the movie. I mean it was interesting to watch. Go Go back and look at stuff on shelby. He would talk about miles and he'd get choked up and this experience Lamont Sixty six. What these guys went through? I I mean it really. I think stayed with him for the rest of his life and he would and he would say you know you know get miles an engineer. You know he get choked up you you know when you go like man like God this carrying this you know when they brought the three cars in together a they didn't i. I don't think they knew that that meant miles house wouldn't win. I mean he thought Still GonNa get the triple crown be even given that he he had all this stuff and he had to he he had to he had to. He had to toe the line shelby. Head to toe the line he had as Charlie agape you said to us you know they put they put you know tens of of millions of dollars in two zero gram and what they thought and what he knew was. I'M GONNA come back here next year in Kansas GonNA win next year. Yeah we're GonNa win this thing again and again and again our car charlie. I we we ask Charlie. When you went over there you are already once you bring that already one daytona that year Charlie oppo? Yeah when when when he wants spike interviews you guys. He's not doing a deep dive on Charlie Ackerman Charlie I know a lot. And he's and he's he's wonderful thing. That's crazies these guys. Were doing this at nineteen twenty twenty one so you meet the guy that was ken miles. Right right hand man and he's a sixty three year old guy like he's not old. Yeah it's crazy. Nancy Vivid memories vividly got choked up. Of course talking about can Dan when I was interviewing him and we said Charlie. How sure were you when you guys went over there and sixty six? They were dominating with that car. I said did you think How she were you you were going to win? And he was like one hundred percent I said really is at one hundred percent. If we didn't break down we were GONNA win. He goes we. That car was just such a thug and a and and they knew it and and so I think the you know to slow down you know what I mean. They all have their own perspective that all have their own ideas about why that happened and it just was like Ford could not. They'd put too much money into it to have the story be anything but the Ford car. It could go so that was shelby. He did ask miles many times arms to do something strategic in a different race. Yes yeah miles. Always bloody ignored him. Even sometimes he would laugh and be flipping the bird to show and I think I love that. I think he knew. Hey Look I've got to do my duty. I have to ask but there's no way is going to do it and then Ken bloody did why I think because can recognized how much shelby on the line for him and wanted to give gratitude and did think he's still going to win the triple crown and did these. He's bloody mind-blowing laps beforehand. Only to them find he goes screwed over. Yeah people don't know you win Daytona you win see bring you win you win the triple crown. I sort of like horse racing and no one had done only season at up until then can Obviously in a position to do that I don't WanNa give away too much of the story but you know if you think about when you were saying they thought they were just gonNA come back every year in whenever they did rightfully show and they did you. Also think about Bruce McLaren who didn't get the win and he probably thought he was coming coming back and then he died a couple years later testing. I think Canam car McLaren The guy searched ahead and got the win and Blah Blah Blah. He he didn't have such a happy ending either in terms of turns of his life. The thing that's really poetic and interesting is here. We are fifty years later and McLaren. I saw McLaren car in the parking lot. I see shelby cars in the parking lot now. Ten Miles els is going to be highlighted in this major film like it is. I don't know gives you hope. It's kind of interesting using the McLaren and shelby and now miles fifty years on here. We are talking about him. God I don't I don't think they could have ever imagined that right now. I do do hope the miles becomes more of a common name. You know because You know it was tragic and he was so bloody talented and like you said within Racing Jason Circles I actually thought he was better known within racing circles than he is. The actually. Don't even know within those circles and he really deserves an and coming from Britain as well right to be embraced as a bloody national hero for what he did and a lot of people have no idea. A lot of ancillary people like Phil Remington all. Yeah he was so essential. You know there was a triangle. It was really the three of them and that was something that Peter said to me. He said. Please make sure that you give fill his is credit because they could not have done it without him. I interviewed Dan Gurney just before he passed and I went down to his place where he's building stuff for space acts and everything else gurneys another amazing story in the film small role. Oh his son. Yeah Yeah and and he showed me fill RIMINGTON's workbench who had just passed. I mean he made it late. He said that's where Ram that's where he worked for me. He's we still haven't touched his workspace. God there's so much to this story could do. There is actually a legendary or somebody. He has the rights to one of the books that kind of covers documents this time and I think they were still talking about doing a whole extended series on it and they could totally still do it. I go like hell. Yeah Hell I mean because you because there's there's so many stories the the one drawback to doing two and a half hour movies like you got to choose you got it there so it's so full of different. You know the great colorful characters and really interesting people. I mean you could really do a ended run a of this. You know it's it's it's an onion and you just have something I did. A movie called Winning the Racing Life A- Paul Newman and in the middle of that movie we we discovered a guy named Willy t ribbs first African American driver at Indianapolis and then did our next one about him. Like as you're making a doc about not this one thing you discover the all these other stories and they're all worth telling Just who's got to pick and choose. Who's got the time to do it all are you? Guys is their Oscar. Talk here I mean the movie was I saw. I'll tell you I saw the movie. Obviously I knew everything going into the movie and then I really loved the movie but then I thought maybe I love it like everyone thinks their kids are cute. Good I oh look like Winston Churchill but maybe this just the father thinking is thinking. His daughter should win the Miss Florida. Competition we we we. We've just do a thing and then and then it's up to other people that are so but I was hat so I got back and I was like I don't know I love this movie but I don't know I'm just preloaded to love it. I looked on rotten tomatoes. It's eight percent last time. I checked. Oh I didn't know they had anything up yet. Oh sixty sixty folks folks who weighed in and I gotta tell you in this woke area. We're living in now. This all white. All male all straight casts getting to eighty eight percent on rotten tomatoes not too shabby and they don't like car movies. Either on the gas guzzlers. Yeah he's just a question. We got a lot in France when we were kept being asked is appropriate in this right. Regressive some bug in the climate change and everything that we made a film about cars that run on on CASS. Kristen said should we go. Should we go back and make them electric. Why didn't you wouldn't cool running straight it just propelled by gravity? Yes so I thought to myself Really high score in a wo- period where we don't like gas gas and petrol fuel being burned and all that kind of stuff. That's that says a lot so there again. Critics don't traditionally only like car movies as much as you know other human stories. So there's gotta be some discussion or some fought. I don't know if you guys are allowed to talk about the we we condition we know involved in any discussions about that. Someone's going to put you for someone. Does you know nobody talks about it. Just how they don't know but but I never thought of this movie that way like I. You know. There's kind of an award season. which is the you know the the towards the end of the year and this movie was supposed to come out in June Ryan they just held onto it and so I I always just I just read it? I thought it was such a crowd pleasing such a fun story story and such an interesting story and the one that I didn't know one that was really relatable and and that was kind of as far as I got with it and so I'm glad it's being well received that's great but to me. The big win would be if people just see go. See it like that's at this stage in in my career like that's really what I want more than anything I don't I think I want people to go and I won't people like yeah. I'm feel the same way at a certain point. You have enough money and enough stuff and you just want your working. You realize like we're talking about Ken. Miles one day we're gonNA talk and Carroll Shelby we're GonNa talk about the actors who played Ken Miles Charles Shelby Shelby and we'll all be roasting in hell so I'll be. I'll keep a seat open at the table for you guys. I think I'm going to get their I ultimately it's about the work it's about the body of work and it's about people walking out of their. These guys did a great job and if they kick it back Jack for award season which they did which means they're thinking that way that's just so much gravy. Yeah it's a it's a great problem to the have you. They're telling me to bring it home but so I'll just keep it another twenty three minutes. I gotTa Tell You I love this this film. I thought you guys both knocked it out of the ballpark. I thought the IT's such. It's so James Integrate Java's shooting. It's not just a car the show it. It really is poetic. I mean the shots. All the shots were just. You could tell in a way it's better to have a A person like James Direct a non car guy like sometimes you get the fast and furious guys to do the things you missed artistry right part so in a way it was even even better. I thought it was amazing. And so Kudos to both you. And if you WANNA see Peter Miles and you wanna see that nine thirty five at the Laguna Seca. I'll be there to. When is that going to be? And it's the middle of August every single year they have the rolexes. Storks works over there and all those guys come out and we all race. That's all so One more plug in theaters Friday November Fifteenth Ford Ford V. Ferrari and What what a story Ray Chap Guy Choose my thanks ED castrol edge stronger under pressure? Engines can lose up to ten percent of performance performance due to friction castrol edge with fluid titanium transforms under pressure. Three times full longer against a breakdown leading full full synthetic oils it is the best. It is castrol edge formulated in ways. Succeed the industry standards. It is. Castrol Edge James Tangled Ford v Ferrari director in theaters Friday November fifteenth sought loved it done so many movies Logan three ten to huma which I enjoy so much. Wolverine girl interrupted. I forgot that that was you So good on you good to see again to see you again. I love the film. I had done a documentary on the film or the theme of the film and I'd also just finished one on Carroll Shelby so going in I was was worried that I knew too much. I knowing you're seeing it. I was worried that you knew much. The good news is I really don't know anything so I enjoy the hell out of this thing and I thought you know what you're trying to get you you try and get the details right of course but you're also trying to capture in a dramatic attic movie that you can't do as much in documentary is you're trying to recreate a feeling or a vibe or a tone you're trying to understand something about the personality these guys that that they might hide from a from documentary camera or something. They may not show when they're doing an interview. Like this trying to get in a way behind the mask What are they dealing with? You know what are they haunted by. What are they chasing? And there's so many interesting aspects to these characters obviously the cars are interesting but carroll shelby he's top notch racer in nineteen fifty nine winning Lemond an Aston Martin and suddenly finds out. He's got a heart condition. We never race again cannot get behind the wheel again right. What does that do? I mean you can only imagine if he were suddenly told that all that joy and adrenaline and excitement and obsession you have about something is suddenly redirected. And you can't do it anymore. Ever on a certain day and that he he had to re imagine his life on a day's notice and turned all that passion into building and designing and managing races. And that's so interesting. Then you take a cat like can miles. WHO SPENT HIS PRIME YEARS Fighting World War? Two as a tank engineer comes to this country still wants to be a driver there is also interesting. I'm not a big motor sports guy in that I learned it all watching and making this movie and watching all the research but can miles els is also an example of a day and age when when the drivers could also fix their own cars. You know that that these were people who understood dude who built the car where the people drove the car. Yeah you had to sort of where a couple of hats back. Then and a lot of those shelby guys has a guy named John Morton whose was a shelby driver and then he moved on with Pete Brock. Pete Brock built. The Daytona famously. Won The manufacturer's I championship is seen in the movies while these guys drove and built right there their own cars. And there's a romance to that I I mean I I wanna say it's better or worse. I think that as we all get more specialized there is something that were robbed of. which is that kind of renaissance man or woman of racing or anything that the people who build something start from zero and deliver it to the final destination? There's something romantic about that. That is Louis. Modern life has gone on. We get robbed of we. Don't we don't get to understand that kind of pride and yeah so when you talk to modern day race car drivers he says a gearhead and they're telling the driving f one car and I go. What's the displacement on the motor? And they don't know I don't know I might feeling like I get it. They're good at what they do but if there was a barbecue Q.. Join and it was run by a Vegan. I wouldn't go in on a guy who you know who knows. Listen live does he get tiredness. Own Supply yes. I want that and also the cars back then because I've talked a lot of these guys who race Aloma. Aw then and now and then it was a lot of about endurance reliability. Famously in the movie I won't give give it away but Phil Remington the designer engineer. extraordinaire comes up with a way to make the brakes lasts longer and Blah Blah Blah. They had to drive. I've interviewed Dan Gurney on this. They had to make those cars last now. The drive the car at ten tents for the whole race because everything synthetic and the cars are so durable computers work and everything and doing everything that they don't have to simultaneously race the car and sort of maintain the car. No it's it is so different now I mean what makes Lamont so interesting And was for me as I did. The research on the movie was then it is not a car is not a race that is all just as it was first created as a race. It wasn't only about winning. It was about surviving. It was it was. It's a racist old as you. Well know as the automobile itself and was a way of putting cars on a road and seeing who had built a vehicle that could would just stand that kind of usage that kind of test. A lot of what crosses the finish line. Element is not about people who have fallen into tenth or twentieth the position but usually about people who just fall away in the past. I think that's is true anymore but no and there was a strategy. I mean it. Send one guy out to be the rabbit right. Hopefully the other guy with chase them and break right in the that. That is the point. And then you have these cars. Because it's a dawning moment in car design the cars themselves e more personality because they're a little more lopsided you know they're now we've I've got no this kind of tipping point where they can with computer design and just experience. The cars are all pretty good all around. There was a time when you might have a car that was nimble. But but it wasn't it was it didn't have the talk that another car had you might have like. Gt Forty had all this power but what they were. They knew from the moment they had kind of put that engine in the forty. At least as I understand it they kind of knew they were faster than anyone else. They just didn't know if they can stop or turn so the the reality is each. Each car has such a unique personality. And and you get to see these these these racers and and shelby in the pits. And they're all and REMINGTON. They're all all dealing with the unique personality of the monster. They've created a Ferrari too in the sense that the Ferrari has its advantages and disadvantages the I notice a lot a lot of filming at Willow Springs which is a track. I'm very familiar with and I was thinking as I was watching hot. They're cool. I mean when we the shooting the guy is. I don't know how they don't sweat. I never know this about movie stars. What why what what they do to make the sweat never occur? We're shooting in one hundred and twenty degrees. And I you know I have obviously looked like a overheated lobster. Right clinging to a slice of watermelon but but the the shoot itself. You're you don't feel that you feel the joy of that. Well it is that it. I was transported back. It made me want to race and DR driving out for the weekend with a bunch of gear heads and tooling around one of these beautiful tracks. It's beautiful willow springs as I was watching the movie and I've done a professional transam race in vintage races and stuff there. I'd struck me that you didn't have to touch a thing. We very little because that places places and Change Nineteen fifty seven and it's thrilling because the real characters were making the movie about race there and they haven't touched a thing it is it is and what I love about it is it hasn't been turned into some Not Sean on kind of life right like the style. GIC thing rice just is what it was. 'cause it's not it's not been turned into some kind of touristy things no Marilyn Monroe Mannequin that grass. You shop or anything I it's it's just the place like it's been always. I know I was thrilled watching it. And I were talking Christian about out The car this bumped me and that bumped me the only thing the sensitive the entire film that bumped me is. There's a couple Bush shots where you're going the wrong way on spray. Yes yes was that in the later sequence when they're testing the car because that's we did intentionally. We like going the wrong direction but as like you're the only person in this theater that knows shop the racist going there now. I know there's a later sequence where they're testing other testing thing the GT forty when they ended up tying the yarn to it that we did shoot. I think we shot at going the wrong way and a couple of places the Trying to freshen up the shots figure figure when you were testing on the track you can drive any which way you want. Yeah it's it's such an amazing film and it's I was worried that I was going to love it But that America wasn't gonNA love it because they don't like cars than ever to worry of mine too. I'm glad this story. The story of can in his son in what happened can and this sort of tragedy Ken Miles after. I made my doc when I thought I was just making a doc about sort of Ferrari Murari versus Ford like the film and I realized Oak. Ken Miles this is the human story in this in this whole big. The big macro ness of the whole thing the microbes really can his son his wife and his tragedy. We'll also he was such a wonderful character actor. Everyone remembers him with such clarity and And the way his friendship intersected with the way he him in Shelby's friendship was so mutually beneficial. How they each needed each other in a way? Ken to be Carol's kind kind of driver his almost projection of himself behind the wheel and that can would never get a chance to drive. It wasn't for Carol because Ken was a handful. You know and that that to me was so interesting and then a lot of the relationships were interesting. I found Henry Ford the second really interesting. I mean the idea of being a legacy running this company. Roofer makes kind of slightly boring cars affordable cars for the working man. And then you have a guy like Enzo. WHO's much more of a maverick? No legacy created this company who makes unaffordable cars rumbles. No Man and and each man has something in on the corporate case of the corporate side. They each ban has something the other other wants. Ford wants to be cool for wants to be solvent awry you know and the And it's in so many ways the characters it extrapolates out of racing and becomes about all the decisions we make in life and the choices we can make about the tripe type of person we want to be the way we pursue our goals that that either bankrupt. US or enriches but we go. How did I get on this track making too in this boring shit and the and the all and the efforts to kind of change your track even Ford? I very moved by Henry Ford. He's trying to change it up. You know he's trying to and and one great scene where you know Matt's character. Shelby takes Henry for the second out for a drive. I always find it very moving because you suddenly realize this imperious kind of Intimidating executive is also really living in a bubble and it's kind of sad and never gets to taste on the ground level. What it is they do that act there has a tracy lattes yeah yeah he was fantastic? He's a Pulitzer Prize winning playwright as well but he's really actor yeah he's and The Guy Played Remington. Ray McKinnon. I thought was awesome as well. And it's He was in deadwood he. We created a great series for years. He's he's a great. He also is a great writer to Greeley Interesting Group of people. We gathered together and the way it was shot. Let's let's just magnificent. It looked so good. Great DP Fed Papa. MICO and we've worked together in five movies and We you know and and I've done a lot of commercials in my life and I didn't want the movie to look like a car commercial but I did want to be beautiful like A. There's a I wanted you to feel it as real like sometimes. Sometimes when you're shooting car commercials everything gets so creamy and beautiful. That every car looks obviously no one wants to see their car dirty right here. Part tired of the sexiness is the dirt. is the dust is the the sense That they're being used one of the interesting factoid. I know from other life making making other kinds of movies and also doing this. As you know a lot of the characters I met especially the willow spring southern California racing characters they knew George Lucas because he was a hot water and he would have out He would sleep on a lot of their couches and was at willow springs and all these places and and for those star wars fans part of the reason that all although spaceships even in the very first star Wars Malim Falcon. The X. Wing's look so soiled right house of George Lucas his experiences and drag racing and in racing and that that all that exhaust staining and all that stuff was was his influence of trying to kind of carry something like. Why is everything perfectly clean in outer? Space Brierley is unattractive the American graffiti great movie and Yeah Ryan Harrison Ford plays a drag racer with A. I'm fifty five. I think he's driving a Bell L. Landscape movie. If you haven't seen it a great soundtrack is it's an impossible to afford soundtrack now. So they're telling me to bring it home so so I'll heap praise. I knew the story. Well I loved it and I thank you when I went to rotten tomatoes and saw it eight percent which again is amazing. Score Dwarf because critics don't like car movies and ones where you burn a lot of fossil fuels and guys robber they might deduct a couple of points for that What's what's next I tell you what for sure what's next? I'm working on a couple of things. Nothing like this But something something interesting. I mean I am always trying the move. Maybe something would maybe something with guns. I don't know maybe something. Maybe something in the woods. That's the most I'd say right Jerry. Lee Lewis no but good guests guns and music. So congratulations thank you. I was just a great great film and data in a way as I told Man Christian I think finding non Kar Guide to make this film to really tell the story and to really make it look his wells it looked and and by the way for those who are who are watched Once upon a time in Hollywood and sort of dug all the seventies sixties seventies tackling You got that going in spades. I mean it is. It is a real throwback time capsule. Yeah what's a CR- such a great time in this country when when people were making things And risking themselves making things you couldn't you couldn't figure it out on a computer. I you had to put your body in the chassis and see whether it held together as it made the turtle imagine living in California and in Venice beach a guy like Carroll Shelby two showing up and in opening up a shop a bunch of young guys going to import those cars would be impounded. They'd be at the docks they'd be cray market vehicles. Yeah the EPA would be. They're going what are you doing but think about this. I didn't even put a label on the scenes but when we're when shelby American got the deal with four develop the car they were doing it at LAX. And Will you noticed but but most people don't know this and let the you know where you're gonNA drive these cars every day at that kind of speed where you're gonna find that kind of blacktop. And in the airports at that point were closed during most of the night so they built a garage off of lax and a hangar and all that racing you see is is where we land now and we're coming in from New York or la or on Kong or wherever that was the proving ground for the GT forty with those runways simpler times. James Aims Thank you so much for And and sharing some time with us four Ari theaters Friday November fifteenth. I sought and I shall bring my son and see you bring also you can bring non racing people. I absolutely. 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LCB Ep. 279 - Best Matt Damon Characters, Bourne Identity Review, Mulan Skipping Theaters, And Boyd Holbrook Interview

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LCB Ep. 279 - Best Matt Damon Characters, Bourne Identity Review, Mulan Skipping Theaters, And Boyd Holbrook Interview

"I'm not I'm not. Dumb. Net. Around. Fifty and beyond. Me Can get me out of this massive. Finish off your. Sh might pay. You can't handle the truth. Maybe not. Maybe Fuck Yourself. Shoot your kid. One poll DOT Day of. What we've got here is Saying? Yes just. Well we're going, we don't need roads. Your thought. What noise Kabar to seventy nine, ten, Jack Tro bonds we are coming at, you miss this or according to Wednesday releasing on a Thursday something that we always do our doing a little Matt Damon. Episode. A Little Matt. Damon episode of reviewing the Bourne identity. The Bourne identity on NBC peacock. You. Can Watch. They went when you open up the APP, that's the noise at Knicks. Every time. Watching. Watch. Peacock heard or your headphones. And then Matt Damon character draft. Drafting daymond characters what else I don't know what else we doing oh, Boyd Holbrook interview with Boyd Holbrook. Matt Damon. No interview we actually have David. That's the one I forget. Oh. Yeah. We had Damon now in him. But Holbrooke though is was a lot of fun to talk to who do the Jimmy Kimmel thing. Yeah. We're just saying met Matt. Damon's coming on the just keep that one running. Face a digital on for a second laugh and everything. No no no no. No you're a big your big reporter of of Hashtag I support. Ellen right now other other late night you know other Jimmy. I just. I don't know the whole Ellen thing is is something that We may have digs the four 'cause. Just. If, you've known anyone in the industry or read wind items. It's been something that's pretty well known for years allegedly. That, it's been a rather tough work environment so. Coming to light now I guess. US It. Yeah. You know I'm GonNa go with you said it. That's all. That's all. I'm going to say you said I mean I don't I. Don't have like look I don't have any comments because I feel like. I'll go cynical that the whole industries in meat grinder. So whenever here stuff like that? That's unfortunate. But that's my perception of the entertainment industry is like people will get big heads because they're big celebrities and. Then we want to be shocked when they're not great people. Did you see who defended her today pretty openly on twitter? Who? Owns this. Ellen. Shia. Getting dragged quite a bit on the Internet. Says she's given a lot of money to charity. Would comment but she is someone with a gun right off camera. On twelve gauge aimed at my head I don't know I ultimately. I. Don I don't care. That's the thing is fueled people. The way the Internet is like there's always going to be one conversation going on at one time and it makes you feel like you have to care about that particular conversation. It's okay to sit it out. I'm going to sit the ellen thing out I don't have an opinion it's entertainment fucking tough industry I just. Not. Shocked. But I don't care. I got my own problems. Allen's now one of them. That's the appropriate take. 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In I'm sure you're passenger rating is better than Maya's why is yours bet I probably because I get Uber's on a drunk. Or have have been drunk and like I'm not a bad drunk but I'm sure I'm you know it's obnoxious to drive? You're not gonNA drive someone who's drunk and then give them five stars but I'll tell us swift asshole. Six disc changes. Nine hundred, eighty, nine for best album. Still think it's red. Folks. I had. I had a have your. Shoe Jor boat where I think he's a he's got to stop and get food on the way home and you're drunk hey, on by you like whatever you go through a drive through no because I'm too worried about my score. We've done that because I always offer and I've never taken up on it but recently for a video at work. So Can Uber New Jersey. Jessica dairy. Queen and I offered the Uber driver I said, if you WANNA blizzard a buy you a blizzard for waiting for like five minutes. She's like, yeah, it's like okay Elliott. Guy Okay. I. Love she ready to go to I. Think She just assume I do I was gonNA happen like, yeah I, I respect you taking the up on this. Why did you the quest for point? Like you can't get back into Carlos you flip it best flip in front of me a four point seven, three although my last. Uber was December twenty four twenty. Nineteen And then my last uber before that was July fourteenth to nineteen I don't take overs often. Zoo One bad one bad. Experience with meals someone else like perhaps I did slam the door a little too hard and they gave me a to that that could that could skew it. Where do you owe? Four point eight one is that good or bad I five now? I think the four point eight cer- kind of like those are just considered a good. Yeah. I you don't go to me I can see the stars are the Five Stars I. Guess I guess you can only see the five stars you got. A lot of rides did not get five stars my friend. All right. Let's get into into some news actually, pretty pretty massive news off the top. I did not think this was going to happen because there's a lot of money put into. We said pretty firmly, it wouldn't happen want is going to be hitting Disney plus it'll still release in theaters some countries, but it is hitting Disney plots in September for thirty dollars Disney plus subscriber. You can buy it for thirty bucks and you keep it forever. Yes but you're not by buying or keeping it forever if you're. Subscribing to Disney plus I wanNA make that clear true but. But Disney show for a second anyone who watches this movie or wants to definitely has Disney plus. Right like the majority of people yeah. The there's just a there's a huge difference between buying an owning it forever, and you have to remain continuously subscribe to a service to access something you paid thirty dollars for which pay thirty dollars for it. I'm not arguing against it but I, I just WanNa make sure us as consumers don't get the rug pulled out from under our feet feeling like companies like Disney being extra generous for giving us the right of the perception of ownership when it is in fact not owner shot. But. Mental, indentured servitude of movie I that that's a that's a very firm point. We can't let him off the hook I do like this model unlike. Released in quarantine it's like thirty bucks in its rent. And there is no way to keep it off screen record your computer, which controls world tour. Scooby. Doo, they get I don't i. Feel Scooby bought. By Yeah I. Think trolls was the one that I really. With Salt It was only fourteen dollars I think. Corral politics movie was also a thirty dollar rental. Tough. Because it's called it backdraft I don't. backdraft wrong. Wrong. Vote was at the. The longshot. Nope, not even that. Sounds right candidate I think I think this move. It we've talked about Milan, a lot of the episodes one because the only piece of news but I think it is a fascinating. We call it the moon online last episode for. There was a movie that's going to get tipped over the edge like this. One's going to sit firmly at the line between being released a not released and I I I don't want to be a pessimist, but I, do feel like it's Disney. Cutting their losses to some extent with this or a canary in the coal mine for them. In the latest yet or just them their opinion on the short term by ability of getting back into theaters anytime this year in a large enough critical mass for them to come close recouping. But they spent making this movie So I yeah, it's an experiment slash sentiment as to the the box office viability of Moulana Twenty Twenty and I think they just don't want to put it on the schedule and twenty twenty one St. Joe. Did you just don't WanNa Walk Jamil now I think this is probably the biggest blockbuster is going to quote unquote to as well and I think that is going to become a litmus test for them moving with the rest of the basically an arsenal of movies acute up to go and they're just have to. Sit on giving either super late release dates that they keep having to delay or potentially move onto this platform that they're adding on Disney plus which I don't think that they built just for a one off experience. I think other movies that they are going to end up releasing on there I. Don't think I'm crazy in saying that right? Yeah and they they made extra sure to emphasize in order to avoid what would the AMC universal beef I think Disney was careful to to highlight the fact that this is not a signal for the normal release schedule. How movies are going to get released moving forward, even know. Maybe like. A smaller. They're pretty firm black widow to it sounds like shit ain't going. Well, who knows that's what we said about Milan man I, don't know. But black widow is definitely even further than that. But I never felt that way about Moulana was following Milan was something that they were just kinda holding in the pocket and evaluating seen whereas like black widow something where. Assuredly move on the international release they. I felt like our them making their evaluation on like we want to recoup the money in China because it's going to be big there. We think or something like black widow is we just we can bring anyone to the movie theater with black widow at any time I don't feel like they feel the same thing about Milan. You've guaranteed success with black widow well, success successful relative to White Cove at. But like furry out code all that like that's a guaranteed winner you assume move on his dizzy live actions make a lot of money but this one is definitely not on milteer. Lying King it's popular busted make. Seven, hundred million dollars or something right leading can make that. Milan's making it over a billion I think in. would. Below Aladdin in terms of popularity now, I don't mean necessarily popularity, but I just mean in global gross if Aladdin Aladdin made a billion dollars. So leading can make a billion dollars I think globally in a covert free universe. would be yet but we don't. We don't. We don't know win a covert for Universe is happening and what it looks like. Completely. Agree with you want has the. May maybe it'll hit a billion. Aladdin has bigger popularity but I do think the US I agree. I do think that. I think that part of the factor would be like the Dumbo of the world to like like I. I. Don't know what Milan would do and what a little bit of controversy overseas to with their with the lead actress I do forget her well. So I don't know if that would play defect with her it's that's the norm for. Entertaining because for them, it's either you have to support the Chinese government or you get blacklisted forever in China and your career is over. So for them like Jackie Chan does the same thing Donnie Yen all Chinese entertainers toe that line which sucks. But it's just a reality situation for that which is. The water on the Hong Kong issue. Exactly. She like has actually controversy. She posted one like prefabricated graphic supporting the Hong Kong. Police. And like the same exact graphic that like every entertainer across Chinese social media posted. So it's just like, Hey, some government official told them hey, posts order your blacklisted for life. So for them it sucks, but it's the reality of their situation. Yeah I. Don't know what they're. At any rate, Disney is going to spend this office a tremendous success in order to make people feel like they're missing out for not spending thirty dollars on movies because I I. I do feel like even though they say it's not going to be a long term thing might be for some I. Live action inductions already going to Disney pluses it is. Yeah. Right I. Just I don't know what I don't know what the math is to to say, what's the profitability of sinking x amount in releasing on the digital service without. Like going through in in giving anyone else take the movie. I don't know what that looks like in. I. Think you could get away for something like Mary, poppins, you can get away with I don't know how successful that was. That's something where I didn't WanNa go see it in theaters other than the fact that we were reviewing it but I probably would return it for fifteen dollars. So there's things I would do I. Think it's GonNa. Move that way but but for the bigger ones, I don't think so I think what we'll see is. We'll see his judge Jeff saying we saved a lot in hold onto the avengers but at some point when things do normalize, you have to wonder like what what the landscape looks like it. Are We all going to movie theaters for big blockbusters now is it all fast and furious type things because it was a lot of that begin with but Some of these smaller projects I just you know already tough to get a made in a post consolidation of all the company's Type A world but I I don't know I. Don't who knows. Yeah. It's GonNa. Be Very, very interesting. This was of. the fairly. Early large large piece of news. This is probably the. Big Mover potentially. Could set a precedent. And that billion, only three hundred and fifty million was from the US I would've thought it was significantly more more allows off the USA box office breakdowns, kind of nut sometimes that will also puts like Avatar most sources, but there's other movies that make so much here and you're like, wow, imagine if it did anything on Star Wars. Yeah. D- Asia's doors is fucking stupid a hate it yeah because they can. They can China. China. His other other countries don't have this big cultural fascination with I. Love Star Wars, but that is a big like is intertwined into manure culture, which has made its way into the mainstream in a way that I don't think other countries have. I think it's mostly China. It's still very popular and other. Yeah. Yeah. No, it is very popping China and India never really took off in those. Those are the two biggest movie markets outside of us. But I'm sure there's like a like the French love the bar. Right. GotTa. In bars never really been a huge thing here. But I'm sure if Bob Barr drops in France, all everybody's lining up to see bombarded. I'm just assuming or ten ten right. What's what's the best Dutch right I don't know? To me. It looked like looks too smart to be American. Church. Insulting, coach of Tinton. Move on Netflix Netflix spearing platforms netflix's has a a fairly a small goal. They said, we're looking at big broad audience, PG level adventure films. As something we want to get into something along the lines of the first star wars or Harry Potter one into. Yeah I would. I would love. To, be unlike earnings call, it just have someone say that on the earnings call near like an analyst from. Goldman Sachs and like. When you when you say that like what specifically are you looking at I? Mean that's like that's just a that's legitimately the worst the NBA like what do we need? She get a Lebron. Just need generational player Yup. That's it. We was like a marriage talent. We want to go any. Way Towards Lucrative Star Wars, it was based on a book. If you have that kind of imagination liked us with the Matrix. We feel like we're the place to take the chance and those types of innovative films it felt. That such a thing I feel like it's a filmmaker based on other stuff to what the filmmaker that kind of scares me a little bit works like what? You're looking at that. Small. Any product that I really liked that I'd love to get on but is this is just like when you're? Somebody. When they're like twenty one and they make facebook status, it's like so lonely tonight which. Somebody would come over in hanging out with me and it's like intended for one specific person. Are they are they trying to court somebody with this? You think where they're just like, Gosh. If only someone had an ip out there that we could make that'd be crazy. We WanNA, make a four billion dollars. That's our ingenious. Plan. For this year JK Raleigh, you want to help us out the thing. Does same. Please catchy be attached JK rollings name to anything. It's GonNa do well I. that's what it feels like to me i. know they said like Harry Potter but original but you need that you need that brand name stuff and they tried to do stuff to which. Is One. They didn't. They didn't I don't think that. One has a mainstream appeal and I don't think to put enough money for to work, and then the series of unfortunate events is like that family that was too dark and too limited in scale and scope. So I don't know what else exists for them to put on camera unless someone just comes up with something out of their ass in the point, you almost have to have a big. Name attached to it even sell the idea in the first place I also like I'm just trying to think of I don't know what if book series that can be adapted into something like this like. Is there any book series you think should be thrown the movie I can't think of one that maybe ranked apprentice selected. James. Patterson book. What about the like the James Patterson Bill Clinton collaborate. Is Missing. President is missing fictional universe where a new president is missing every episode. On a plane to be well, they want PG and he's got he's got a kids book it's called Oh. No. Now what's it called use TV commercials for the book and he was wearing red nose. That's how you knew it was James Patterson yes. Why were James Patterson do a commercial that you put you put James Patterson three person lineup I could not tell you I. Know It. I'm assuming he's a white older I do like WHO's watching TV? It's like Holy Shit. James Patterson's on a commercial that's wild man. Like when the commercials with these to do that like, Hey, look it's linebacker Bryan Iraq Poe. GEICO caveman like Oh. For linebacker Bryan Iraq's my one of my favorite commercials airports didn't exist. I wouldn't know who James Patterson would. Accept that book is always front and center the Fox News. Channel, store. Right there it's not strip. I. Like to be the Guy in charge of those licensing deals Soglo guy got a portfolio news companies are just like I want to put on your airport shops. Put me in the duty-free baby. last minute news before our next add read raised by wolves from Ridley Scott got a trailer coming to HBO. Max. Big Time big budget thing from HBO Max. Ridley Scott, the man behind it. Travis symbols in the. In the show we talked to at one point for him. We talked to him from can't see you like what you vikings. You're big fan of like, yeah he's the the ragner. Love Brooklyn like. Race by Wall Senate around two androids. Mother tasked with raising human children on a mysterious new planet as the burgeoning colony of humans threatens to be torn apart by religious differences. The androids learn controlling the beliefs of humans is a treacherous and difficult task. Shit Yun's dropping in in in the forward. Charles. Start out you are you gonNA be watching Walls each I love this shit I. This is the Shit that makes me feel smart like season one of Westworld. Yes we're. Not Actual smart person stuff, but it's it's it's normal. Make you feel smart stuff I feel like this? Is it It will get me just sitting there in in my shorts just thinking about like what it means to be a human like what defines humanity and then I'll go to the retinal lake watch like Goku master debate with light finger blaster eighty, seven like early theories around the next episode I'm not being I'm not being sarcastic at all I feel like this is one of those shows where it's it's going to it's going to make me feel like I'm asking a lot of questions that have a lot of mystery and intrigue behind it that leads into me going to the. As I, love the shorts comment because that's exactly what I'm GonNa. Do I'm GonNa be wearing the same exact like five dollar champion athletic shorts that I'm wearing right now to watch this show and be like fuck man I'm so smart I figured out the theme of the show. It's so cool and really Scott, he's got an eye obviously for many great things but is such a great for Seifein his for a lot of not good things to that's. Not. Good. Things. But but but I I do think he? Do. Think he he's earned his reputation where. It was another one associate his name with this is enough to get me a peak in my Yeah. Here's one of those those tomography where you look through it and you see one movie you're like, oh Next one. What was the Gods in? Exodus gods and kings with that was ed right. I don't know was that him it sounds like he would do you don't think he did exodus gods and kings he did he. Did he do Alexander. That was Oliver Stone I think. Accidents. Exodus. Somebody. I know. Somebody who? Did. No I. I always And then I. was confused that in Kingdom of Heaven. is like Al Qaeda struggles. Yeah. Just. All. The swords, right okay. But here, let me let me clarify this Kingdom of Heaven. The theatrical cut was awful Kingdom of Heaven the director's cut, which is the one he wanted to release. Incredible. It's so good. I did one of those three years were were everybody was convinced. ORLANDO. Bloom was a star. With Chris Thousand Two, thousand, five, they everyone was like, yeah he could do it. Yeah. Like he can lead this movie up and just think about if the pirates movie didn't have. A Captain Jack Sparrow who's like the real main character without being the main character. Because Orlando Bloom is just there. He's loses charisma. is nothing he's just hot. Totally fine. which is great for the legalist character because fit in. So well with what I think Elf should be just very high in borei. How how old would you think for these guys? Eighty two. Yeah. Because John to look you know I I'm dead some. That was your actual guests. Yes. I was GONNA say 'cause I looked at his age recently and I was like. Yeah and I was legitimately shocked with Gaza I thought he was in his maybe a little seventies or something but. There it looks good. Is What competing page picture. His brother also shot up to Tony Scott rest in peace big rip one of the best action directors of all time. Top gunmen Talk about our second sponsor here also sponsoring the dozen Trivia Competition. Scott paper tells. It doesn't matter if you're a pro athlete state-owned parent or you spend eight hours a day uncomfortable chair everyone needs support to make the day. Desk athletes, people who just sit at their desk all day you get those injuries. 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Japan, No Pinocchio. Just, a recipe for to make like a five, hundred, million dollar movie in like you put up this Meka's putting together hangs again Dream Team back together putting Disney into that mix the movie's GonNa. Make Five, hundred, million dollars even if it's creepy versus in your life which no matter what it's going to be, you can't make a CGI marionette movie without it being creepy. There's no fucking way I yeah I mean you're right. This is the most Tom Hanks. News Possible I. my first reaction is just hadn't play Pinocchio. Is just woody part to. Play Pinocchio do a high pitched voice the whole time that that'd be a lot more interesting but and he do a high pitched voice. Yeah. You ever heard of actor acting. Is going to act like he has a high pitch. It's me I put. Okay. Oh. No I'm long again just like the the GEICO commercials same voice, and then also the voice from the Gingerbread Man an Pinocchio from Shrek same thing. I just. They're just you know it's funny because you can see the tears of the the animated movies that they're churning through right now just scraping the bottom of the barrel for things like Pinocchio like I thought. Dumbo. dumbo would have been at or they're kind of like you know maybe there's there's diminishing returns on which one of these movies we do. But no that the answer is to get Tom Hanks in them. Like if you're if your idea sucks. It's one of the. Nineteen fifties movies that that were made back when when everyone had like severe iron deficiencies. All. All Day was like can can chicken Talk of fully cancer immediately clear about that an entire chicken in in a maybe I'll give you a lot of liner but. You. Know for a modern audience I just do POCO even train it doesn't move the needle for me I. I I Would Think Pinocchio for me is one of. The worst walk. Disney movies. I don't like it. It's boring and it's scary. I don't like it. I I like the princesses Gimme the princesses every time keep doing those but Pinocchio falls in Dumbo category me. The lady in the trump is well, that was another one Disney plus him why do we watch it? Yes. The throw in Tests Thompson Monday. I don't think you reviewed it but they didn't. I don't think I watched it. Nothing to it. Does ignoring doesn't negotiate like it's like. Mr Hank you have to do an Italian accent. On not doing that is like no you we're GONNA MAKE YOU TO A. Very Bad Italian accent be Japan always Japan. You GotTa do it. S The into my roof. Tom Hanks Japan It's a me Tom. I don't want to talk more about this new had another teaser still going to feeders not being released on streaming. Literally nothing outstanding Nubians this point. Chet Hank should be Pinocchio Oh no. We'll also We're also going to be reviewing a minute in American pickle on Sunday. A new movie et Cetera good movie I'm excited about that I am too. I last the Andrew Lloyd Webber opened up about the movie and didn't like it specifically didn't like Tom Hooper said the problem with the film's at Tom. Hooper decided that he didn't want anybody involved in it who was involved the original show the whole thing was ridiculous because twenty seven one might argue. That original cats as ridiculous to though but I, I get what Andrew Lloyd Webber saying. You can't make a movie about cats it can't be done. You cannot make cats movie. It's A, it's A. Show, which leans heavily on the implausibility or the. I guess the suspension of disbelief that musical theater requires you to have going in as any other production in history. Just Nabi Trans translated over the movies. Yeah you can blame Tom Hooper all you want your blood Webber's love those checks though if they had made like the same thing with that same cast but just did it like a tape recording of like almost Hamilton style right just tape recording of them doing the performance on stage. In love that that would of sucked it was suck because it's cats. I'm saying I would have liked that more than I like the forgotten. Murtaugh loved it. I would have hated it because cat sucks ass. You would hate to see like Taylor swift run around the cats outfit I don't think. So my friend Taylor Swift one had done that because Taylor swift showed up for the money bag. This wouldn't have had a money bag attached to it would have been a quick little production on cats is fine. I'm Joe I'm just kidding I. I don't know how much Lloyd Webber make from this need to make a lot even though they don't think movie did all that well, right? Just had to get the rights and the the the music and whatever you make. Enough Tom Hooper's and other really interesting person. He's very up and down for Margaret. He's done some things both good and bad. Yes. Let's just make Russell Crowe the mean one of the main musical leads noble could go wrong. What could go wrong but Let's see what is what's I ENJ- over. Again saying I promise you. Danish girl King's speech cats the Dana Girls Okay though I liked the day Alex underscores world aside from it being of it. It was. Yeah, I don't know I think I liked that just because I thought that. That was when cantor was on a tear like X. Mock in red meat. Eaters. Yeah running to, but like I think this is one big candor is really coming into her own I enjoyed her in that movie. Agree All right that's it. That's it for news. Holbrooke, we interviewed him. Can I just say one more time does rule that we specifically called out the James Corden, would be for Jones. Yes. Day One yeah I just. Love, the fact that sometimes the. This whole thing is so obvious sometimes sawn oak into existence. fucking. He's busted for Jones looking person there it's. Did he defend on. Musk is writing crew. I know he has yet because people also want him to replace. Allen. That's that's why I saw their names intertwined. That's because it. All right Boyd Holbrook. We talked to him a little bit about a lot of things. A lot of that Logan had a really good chat on Logan he was villain in Logan said some great things are James Mangold that I loved the way to chat here it's we are joined now by Boyd Holbrook how are you doing today? How's it going? I'm doing good guys as I told you I'm under construction a little bit of you hear any power sauce going off I might have to move rooms or something like that. There might be a battle between us because they were moving scaffolding from our building and if they make their way over to us, this will be quite interesting. I'll tell you. I'm right next to a crying baby in my room to so we'll have an trifecta going start. As much chaos actually. Just the sound effects episode. We're here to talk about many things but I off the top we wanNA talk about the fugitive in for those wondering that fugitive. Kind that's that's essentially what we're getting at here. It's an update on the nine hundred, sixty, three series in nineteen ninety-three movie out this little synopsis sent a bomb rips through the Los Angeles subway trains riding on fault the evidence in the ground in tweet. Now confirmed later, journalism paint a nightmarish picture. It looks like the world that Mike was responsible for the heinous act wrongfully in very publicly accused Mike must prove innocence found covering the real perpetrator before the legendary cop heading the investigation can apprehend them urinate keeper throttling. Natalie Martinez Andy Buckley Glen. How're more debuts on Qube on August third. The people know why should dive into the fugitive here in a very different format and? Promo over twenty well. Almost thirty years since the the movie. Yeah. I mean you took the words right out of a mouse there I don't know how more. detail. view than that. Yeah. It's a it's a really interesting equal to get involved in a I'm a big fan of the. CanNot. Solve my parents via the first time, and it's a reimagining of of that class theme right of innocent man on run his desperately players name. It's pretty much the only way he can do it. and it's just you know A. Modern for modern. Way With that when she engine between the. tweet now confirm later culture that were reserved spiracy. Is there any like nerves involved even nerve but like what is like the nostalgia feeling here? Because again you said you saw your parents, you know very well known very popular where you are now involved in making something with that name you've done it before with the Predator as well. So, what like what does that? We always love ask Nick because I feel like you know people whenever they here especially with Hollywood or anything anything being quote unquote remade or rebooted they're like, oh no like never. So what is it like on the other side where you're involved with that project? Well yeah it was a good is a really good question. I think with the fugitive particular you know I related back to my next looks experience that was narcos because that was one of you know that was when when Netflix's was basically gearing up their regional series a really Hatton kind of exploded yet. Narcos was thank the first show that was going to branch Netflix out into. South America. Central America Brazil all these countries have know so people. Her base learned subscribe to this new platform. So I felt it away you know a like kind of getting it in the ground floor and In general is really. Just it's it's an allusion is based off technology. Cameras and lighting. ETC So. When I found adequate, he was doing a new platform Jeffrey Kassenberg was involved in it Bass where what you're saying is way that option or someone stigmatism to make doing a remake or reboot even if it's just playing off the theme, right? So when I found out that Their model on what they were trying to accomplish. made it that much more appealing to me encrytpion general at such a different platform we've talked about Quimby of branch. It's now it's you can be viewed in multiple ways, but obviously, it's the short form. Do you feel any of that difference white when when when you were shooting the fugitive like can be seen onset? Yeah you know actually. Prepared for this role like I would prepare the yells else we pretty much shot it like. Everything else I've been involved in really the different dynamic that it boils down to is essentially the editing. Editing in the release of it all because in way it's it's almost It's almost like. Short. Film a sequence. that. Have these or cliffhanger. Climactic. Beats to them at the series which goes into the war Jackson of how trying to lay out this format to be unit consumed there. So there's a moment in this show at you would imagine because this is based off the series in the previous movie. There's the moment that you realize that you're the prime suspect and what would you do you boyd. Holbrook, do in this scenario would you run or give yourself up? I'm fucking run. Absolutely. We won't hand this over as evidence that you've ran but we'll we'll stay quiet but we'll know see between us. Yeah. You mentioned Narcos that island we've asked anyone this question before besides being the actor here narration of big thing what is it like I? Know we haven't really asked anyone narrating something how different is to narrate no series a movie or anything because narration is sometimes viewed as almost a negative. Oh, too much agency. You know narration kind of has to be nailed. He you really have to make sure narration is on point. So the story still flows with it. I looked at a lot of ways you know there's Gushers goodfellas. Right And it's film it's It's it's it's a two hour films. Let's start there. So narcos. Fill. is also by legal. So viewers also. Either they speak both languages or they're reading one while listening. To another one and seeing action on screen. So I I started that that level and then I did a lot of based. Off The of style and the rhythm from Josie Jones I two thumbs. Elite squad, which were all set in barbells. Brazil and bogner more plays. Public Mar narcos was the narrator that and they created a bit of style in a formula. So those things to bind, that's how I approached. The never get asked like be more smoldering be more be more mysterious get a retake on your in the booth yeah. You know I would probably spend like maybe eight hour ten hours on episode. So I've never really watched it goes obscene it in. Hundreds, hundred times, multiple segments. But never legally in full full watch. Yet I there's there's just. I mean getting notes on different lines Wish, I could more sexier for you. Getting better you. Know you know what you watch something back that you think is funny that you've been in, but you watch it back. So many times like well, that's just not funny anymore is that you like if you were to go back and watch narcos because you narrate, it's like you've seen so much for your like I don't like this show I've just seen it so many fucking times. Yeah with I don't know I I. Love It. It's It was such A. Trailblazer away was shot in films that still holds up. So I don't know if you're tired. You mentioned an interview you did for narcos awhile ago how generally impossible it is to get movies made in general and how movies are in a sense commerce, which is true and in many cases good because that's what helps keep the movie industry live but as a screenwriter, how'd it because you are a screenwriter as well? How difficult is it to pitch something that isn't going to be a temple movie. while while I companies will. I think that sort of tipping point has has has kind of. Spilled over I. Feel like the Temple Memories of Models for example, I feel like they have history packs in a way and Woke the so so many of them. were, the wheel edge may be looped. In a lot of production companies. Are always looking for original material because those films are the films that are winning Oscars winning. emmys. That are not temple movies I've heard that they're trying to make categories for these those types of films, but it hasn't happened yet. So the real against esteem in the clouds that correct go along with that. award-winning. winning. Cereal. Really backbone of incident. From thank people in turn the pitching you know it fluctuates to really fluctuates. It's it really just boils down to the idea. It's a lot of it has to be timing to right because you see these these sub genres I think is probably the best way to put it. You see like Neo Westerns for example, new westerns have really hit more of a peak in the last probably ten fifteen years maybe they will in five years from now before that like have you had ideas if you've been involved with something. Where you've ever realize you like maybe this is too soon or maybe we missed it by like a small window. Is there sometimes you're like Oh this June this movie like Star Wars for example is when has all is actually a for Walter cronkite he's like if you really star wars two years before it's too positive. You're a two years after it's too late like an had that with an idea like it's just timing wasn't exactly perfect here. I mean. You can probably say that about. Every film whether successful or not. Just how? Microsoft in secrecy just boil down. So so much to was was super topical today You know I think I think I've been watching black fuck and that show is straight up hilarious and maybe a show. Or five years ago. But it's just on the nose on the needle. In in so topical so off people are in terms of pitching of the people are looking for that commentary. On what's happening today because you know that is the. That, is the Golden Grail of being nar is that you're able to get out there and say things in a Quote Unquote sophisticated way during art form through medium to get across all these these points that are people are generally working through and going through in their day to day life. We. I did mention Western you mentioned marvel's let's combine at you or in very significant role and what I would imagine most people who've seen I mean I don't know I know Ken Jack and I probably top three comeback movie ever made period and that's Logan. Easily. that. Spider versus. Spider is like there's a three way data free between spider, verse, Logan and the Dark Knight. That's that's pretty good company okay. Gotcha. Now we'll get is loans number to come on to me the best live action movie ever May. Agree with you and it is it's neo-western in a sense to Were you a fan of comp movies growing or comic books growing up did you have that going into it? You know I really I. Wish I could lie straight face was a common begun but it you know we weren't either that was. Kentucky was. Playing in the woods and trails and riding dirt bikes and. Get One daylight component. Dr. I did that too is school. So a lot of my Adolescence was just hanging out in the woods so. I I wasn't but. I was a fan so many things that were happening that. Scott Frank. We wrote it had made a film with. Welcome ITUNES STONES WAS Earlier, roles. A great opportunity for meeting Scott. Obviously James Mangold. Hughes. Just doesn't get much better than that. And then I found out, they're not actually going to be doing. A sort of classic pg version that they were going to. Not. Exactly I I was I was in Colombia ambition for the role. After work one day ascended out And about straight up at the end of narcos about eight, seven months later they said I. Think you're GonNa get this role. Which one they said the Wolverine Are A. I just thought that was gone so. I guess it had to go through so many people in. Big You know big rain rain around so. I never read the script as okay. Can I read the script? and. Burst on the title page a I can't verbatim but basically said Scott Frank Roach in this world if you jump off a building you die. Not, bounce off or Latino Superpowers help you this reality. This is the real world. So take that and run with an industry was just a force from that going on oscar-nominated. Talks, Scott after a Scott that he's living you with all the work done. Comical that you get nominated. Pretty Cool and Super Games, you know game changing. All those things were approached. You mentioned mangled a little bit. What do you think he does different from other directors that maybe you've worked with before and also do you think that he'd be a good director to take on a reboot of Indiana Jones. which is something that's been floating around now for a long time. I think anything gangs does will read Because of his His work ethic How who he has a lot of experience. He is A. James's very delicate guy he's he's obviously. Really cares about people he works with in the environment that he creates. But what I love about. James the also talks like a truck driver. And certain he can penetrate in, get you to where you need to go the absolute quickest vet mixon's. There's. He really. Be a bad example, but the first day on set were going through just is. First Day outside you're getting your. Character in order and everything's becoming no longer rehearsal is becoming reality in your setups in shooting he had only a certain amount of fakes. You're on you gotta be on. I didn't realize I did it but I guess nodded in. James immediately calls out for all crew. Boy There's no nodding in my movie. And it's like, okay. Know I did that but. He just kind of corralled unionize way. There's He's definitely one the best you know. All respect all the director that June there in tastic. But since we're talking about James. He has a certain way that I like to prepare that I don't really. Some area but I don't need a director and hopefully come in with all of the beats. The marks everything known I don't haven't made his job in difficult more difficult. Does is he'll see what you're doing and he'll say try this try that. For example, is really nice cinematic moment logan wear. Red The smelting plant and we come up with good blocking and everything's going well, we get into the actual setup, we actually getting my coverage. And These cool glasses. Sick less they will really cool. Jack Nicholson Film. He did blue-blocker so much. But I'd like. On this line, which glasses says over there in. Heaven around, and then ask the question I'd like to meet in just made. It's very simple kind of thing, but it just made it cinematic. That was I was like, wow, that's that's real direction I come in knowing my shit well enough for you to. You know support me x give me the little you know treats to to just emphasize it enhanced much more. So that's that's great insight living adjustment especially after watching four versus Ferrari, and the knew that went that movie to make that thing. So fucking real. Him. Telling you not to nod nick so much like just in the most poetical like that makes so much sense. Yeah. It's in those little things. Got Like savings of yet you know. Character Nods Report on your movie. Just lose you know. It's a very hard thing to verbalize but. Subtleties, they just have different. Put off gives off Gil off students something. So it's really soon. So micro. Is there something he could tell us about Q. jet but offset that maybe people don't know because I just imagine he's breaking into Broadway songs in between takes. He didn't in Broadway with me. He's man. You know I've worked with a couple. Christian Bale worked with Christian Bale. Christmas. He. Was Nice enough to. Invite me to another job that he was doing with terrence malick. Shoe has his way about him. That is. I like blue collar mentality. I'll be very strict about that. I like people who don't complain a lot. Just get the job done. Because that worked construction sites and that's just the way it goes. I don't really see that much difference in a film other than you have some Barry. Privileged doctors in you know people cater to them under that circumstance, but everybody else on on a cruise bust enhanced. and. The physical physically demanding jobs being biting scaffolding all stop so. Hugh has about it. He's he respects everybody He's he's the kind gentle guy in doesn't really take watersheds so You know he's cool. He's he just gets it done and he does it in a really. I Dunno elegant way he just got. that. Grace. Last thing on Logan Real quick that movie was set in the future. Disney. Marvel Studios owns X. men. Now what if if they invite you back maybe alternate reality altering university reprising that role. I'm. By circumstances. Absolutely. Make it a list. J. K. Simmons we. Tell when this J. K. Simmons was on we you're gonNA reprise your role he said maybe one day literally six months later he was in the movie in a cameo so we're making a list so do I need signing You Os ten percent. You'll is ten percent of whatever your take is. What we say we don't have jake as yet center nil. The hell. Last thing I, want to ask you favorite. You're cinema which I totally forgot your movie is gone girl. One of my favorite I. DON'T WANNA say ambiguous because number a bigamous they're together but angry endings I love a good ambiguous good movie that makes you feel really anger than you'd like, what are you shitting me there together gone girl has that recently uncut gems do you have any movie ending that cuts off like that whether one year in or anything? You've seen that you love 'cause I love that experience of leaving you thinking for the rest of your life about the ending yet set refrigerator when you're grabbing something out of the fridge. Shit that's going to happen now to. Ask killer ending. Off the top of my head. I don't know but I think that takes case Yeah I mean David fincher. He's the main. What we just talked about the other at one of my Matt that's the people didn't know the book and they walked out of that theater like, are you serious? He's that's really how it ends like love to backer. Fugitive on. Qube any last thing you want to say about fugitive August third dropped on qube check it out. I don't know my dad was his podcast but his birthday lumpy dad I'll happy birthday Epworth Yeah. He he's the best Yeah. Take it out. It's IT'S COOL I. Got Really Cool Platform going here in excited soon after. We appreciate taking time man. Thank you so much. Absolutely I saw him give of course they. Make. US All right. Thank you to boyd. Our? New. Friend. Great, Great Neil Western voice that guy has just the vibe the look. Kentucky has it all. Let's talk about the Bourne identity. The Bourne identity released in two, thousand and two. Also it's on. Hulu, currently. Israel. Also. On Hulu I didn't think so I thought it was just on peacock. Anyway. I don't think it's on who I think Google's wrong on that one. Anyway, it's on peacock. Came out in two thousand two. Made a lot of money off pretty modest budget sixty million for a big action movie. Directed by Doug. Wyman. If, the crude space movie soon as a ton of people in this movie. Matt Damon Chris Cooper Clive Owen. Ryan Cox Julia stiles. one that surprise Ken Jack I won't say yet. Brian Cox is one that always throws me off because he just doesn't look like can absolute years later twenty years later but. Like he just looks so different. And he does that I don't know why that's me when I see him in braveheart when he's the uncle or whatever, whenever assuming that a Mike. Cox. Louis now. But like just looking at it. I'm like I just I. I don't see Brian Cox there. You just like a Brian is problem thinking angus? Yeah he just doesn't have. These, Scottish? Maybe. But but. Brian I someone born before one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty with the name Brian just weird to me. I always forget to that Paul greengrass director I one. Lyman Paul Greengrass has the most I I run the Bourne Franchise name of all time and yeah right. Like you just know Paul Greengrass send their this. Jimmy, can we get more green grass and here? Smoking. The born identity. Pretty decent scores always has had on rotten tomatoes. Eighty three from critics audiences like even more ninety three. I mean, this is one of my favorite action movies. I've always loved the born franchise. Gets worse as you go along. I think ultimatum is still good. Supremacy is good. But below VAT and then legacy is a significant step down just shouldn't have been made to free fall. That's the one with our with our Guy Ready Rain Jeremy Renner, and then Jason Bourne speaking of the candor just shouldn't have been made. And I'm Matt Damon apologised when it comes to his movies I typically like Matt Damon Movies more often than not I was born ninety, two, hundred hundred for me. I love the Bourne identity on my list it's two, hundred ten though I can jack went through all the movies for our rating database and hit a hit a point of what like in the thirty like because you are rating them you rating than based on. For, me and when you get to the thirties and forties, it's very depressing movie. Yeah. It'd be a fun thing like Oh great memories. Great Memories of watching this. Yeah this is funny as fundamental. Wow Oh, no a lot of DNS and a lot of. Made this movies. Bler. Yeah to ten from my rankings ninety, two out of one hundred I've always loved the born identity we'll get into it though because. Boys this. You can tell when this movie came out, you can tell from the style of action the way it was shot and a lot of movies tried to copy this. You know a lot of always tried to be born years after this, and they for the most part did terrible jobs including the born franchise, the born franchise Moen's for like, ooh, this is just just not this is not better it's just getting worse. Trill what would you score and I know you have a lot of thoughts on the year. This was released as well in terms of just what you're looking at just feels very. Alston's it's so did you start the movie poster exceptionally early two thousands actually looks like it's still from video game. Terrible. As bad quality been it's got. It's got the precursor to the blue and orange poster thing where like the blue and orange are very like. Visually pleasing merging together and clouds whereas this one's just straight up split down the middle. Oriental. They're still trying to figure out that blue and orange goes together while movie posters but they haven't haven't done it completely well, Yeah. You're right this. The born identity is a very of the Times of the two thousand and early two thousands type of action movie because it it combines that like post matrix raising the bar in action sequences with the fact that like. I don't know like I. Don't think they're there yet necessarily like understanding. Like who I'm trying to say is like they wanted to do big action sequences but I don't feel like they got there in terms of being able to do them without doing the shaky cam in order to increase like the plausibility of US perceiving them as really intense action sequences and that's really hard to do because I. Think it's done to protect perfection in the John Wick movies, which we talked about like in my opinion are completely crisp. In in clear in terms of what they're showing you in like what you're hearing whereas this movie, the action, a lot of is just a mishmash of things shaking around which gives you the feeling of like you're you're in the middle of the action I guess but at the same time, visually it's not aged well. So I don't know if that makes a whole lot of sense, but it does feel like. The Matrix is one of those pivotal movies where everything turned on its head nothing the kind of like what they introduced. They're like one up the stakes, not only in the action movies but then I also think this movie shows lineage to the Matrix by the matrix elites like you know when you're a teenager and watching it had that like I was talking about with the Ridley Scott thing had that normal person makes me feel smart thought provoking a backbone to that releasing that deep of the story but to a fifteen year olds kind of mind blowing. Oh, what if the world not real? But I thought, I thought the Bourne identity. Had A little bit of that in terms of just some of the plot points in them. Maybe wanting to be a little bit smarter about like who is this person like what? What's the real background like like in their search for like really finding themselves and how does that relate to like their overall arching objectives in in motivation behind what they're trying to do so I think it merged like, yeah. The early two thousands of just mindless action with his need to like maybe pretend like we're smart and if it together really well and I give it, a seventy five is very enjoyable action movie. Yeah The action was shot I think is the main thing to talk about here. that that's kind of a big. Big Takeaway. Ken Jack. So I gave it an eighty five and I, think the movie achieves its main goal and that it's intriguing espionage with great fight scenes Senate romance be plot that doesn't really detract too much from the movie, which was definitely think sort of an overarching problem with a lot of action came out during this sort of out see previous ten years normally Amnesia as plot devices something that like on paper out find very lazy but I think that the way lime doesn't in this just feels a little more unique in May that's because triggers that like cavemen switching our brains that just enjoys action regardless of purpose but I don't know and I also think he caught like the European vibe very. Well considering it's an American completely american-made movie and because I, think even in this movie and many other movies, they just throw the Blue Tint on and they're like, fuck it whatever we're done scholar dates. European looking now it's got a blue tint and we got the arc-de-triomphe were in Europe but I think he does a better job breath not even just casting the world around molding into making feel like you're actually in a European setting, which is not as easy as just sounds I think part of that is maybe due to butcher her name. Frank. Ponte just having that very distinctly distinctly European look and think she plays well off Damon because Damon is obviously robotic but I think with purpose. Because I- Turpin it sort of Stoicism, which is like the classic calling card every action hero ever and that he combined that with like good intimacy in small moments like the hair cutting scene is obviously very intimate. I. Think he does well there and. It's it's intimate. I. Don't think it reminds me so much of the puppet sex from team America world police in that it was kind of just like that. That real like I. Don't know that this is what sexes lake. When you think of dying and cutting hair though in movies, it's that scene I always think of it fucking bored franchise period vets that scene and I think that scene is very intimate and that and I think very different in fields the most of the rest, which is cool. Obviously a love Brian Cox Anything Chris Cooper's just like the ultimate government Guy Actor, you could have an ultimate dad actors will and five own great sad guy when he dies mixed. To the a little hall because he's a I. Do I do think the hair cutting scene is the most memorable scene from this movie. With the first real fistfight. Yeah I just love it. Good. Hand all romantic sex implication seen in action movies. That's that's like I. Don't know it feels feels like something you gotTa have for to be like a good action movie. But we don't always get in sometimes it's good to not get it. 'CAUSE I. Mean You couldn't really imagine John Wick like piling somebody. Current. Mental. State. A bit like the board born, you can right 'cause his. Know he said something about the Nesia but like is of Nizhny implies of vulnerability about him and that vulnerability I think is something. You also see in Daniel Craig's adaption James on and I think that's another factor of like being a by the Times like early mid two thousand action hero because I think this is kind of the start of win like he became a little more socially acceptable to show a wider range of emotions as a man. In in I don't know I mean look I know him over analyzing it. Part of it is like I like to overanalyze it because I think these movies are made by the culture there. but but I think that's why it's like it's a tender scene of this guy's been. Programmed to kill people like. Brainwashed to kill people in I. enjoyed that. I, it's maybe mentally criticism of it will be that I. I think it's not as tight as I remember it being like I didn't remember dragging at least a little bit of a few points. I thought it was just pure. adrenaline but I would say just intrigued throughout through through but there's nothing a couple of points were dragged but other than that. Great in horrible video game that I bought for too much money as a kid and immediately through warwick after the born born video game the. Game. There's Bourne identity game. It was the same exact cover newsletter. You're just playing plot like shot for shot the movie in. It's awful a hated it and. We're GONNA. Mention before one guy I forgot was in this completely was Walton Gardens is he shows up and he has real bad hair some of the worst hair I've ever seen him with his entire life and he's a very handsome in but I just I haven't seen him I think in any free like. Two thousand four and seeing him with like a stream receding hairline was very jarring. This able. Yeah he's. He's made villages he's made some edits. Smart he got a good hair guy and. I want to say, this is the ultimate hot couch guy movie in my opinion control no, I think. You can write off that I. Think it's a great hothouse movie. I think that this is. I. I think that this. I WanNa Talk Shaky Cam thing that's the most important thing. It works for this right is that what are you talking about aging trill? It's the Shaky Cam, right? It's the way the action shot. Yeah able so I shit I'm going to be honest with you because that's my biggest still works for me. But I again I think it's the Weirdo. We're comments thread about leaving big questions and takes someone said it's the league shaky but it definitely inspired imitators in this. You know this movie probably gets lumped into that. The person referenced have taken franchise at a great example of this Europe thing shaky cam it's a fucking mess I've always found moves be nightmares they're fun and they have the fucking Liam Neeson comment quote whatever. That's cool but. The imitators were bad. I can still handle this because I think it's is done in a way that worked for the moving tone they're trying to set, but I think your point is well would come up the most for someone washes the first time in years, right? Yeah. But it also that's the thing is that that's how this was. I. Felt they when when if you're tell me like what I take away from early? Two thousand actions movies what came out was like. It was a shaky Kim and so like part of me is willing to let that go because it just does the fad. That's how they got people into the movie. I think it works specifically welfare this movie because it's disorienting and I think this is a hero whose just generally disoriented In constant state of questioning his existence. So again, it would be fighting would be disorienting. If you didn't know exactly why you're fighting I agree I think it lends itself well for this specific or or this one specifically, and I think mostly because it's used I wouldn't say sparingly but definitely not as liberally as I thought it was My thing is like, do we ever go back to a shaky cam style action world because now it's now if you do it, you're a fucking joke like you're just a joke I mean the hunger games the really good example of like a franchise that. Like, they changed directors because the first the first Hunter Games is one of the most of noxious shaky cam things in the history it is. To it's hard to take in. It's not a bad movies. It's it's miserable. The shaky cam do we ever go back to shaky cam? Being. Me Acceptable because with John Wick and mission impossible. It's basically eliminated shaky cam in terms of big blockbusters that matter and action. So I I think would those two movies you have? At least your lead actors. Are Willing to train in learn stuff in perform like things that are of martial arts. Or firing guns we've seen the footage of Kiana at the gun range and I I think like that's sort of Athletic Bilbao. Like we talked about it with the baseball episode is sometimes they're just not that athletic believability in baseball movies. So they have to cut the pitch and then cut the hit to try to make like a big name actor look like throwing a baseball before. I think maybe the shaky CAM is a way to hide like not I mean some of the stunt work. The lead being in a scene in trying to blend that in with like having the field that they're actually doing don't work in fighting a competently with something like mission impossible. Tom Cruise probably took you know he'd be willing to take a fifty hour training course on how to parachute properly or whatever you know. Maybe you're afforded that ability to get those crank clean shots with the main stars in them because they actually look doing I think it may be believed that Matt Damon was like legitimately got like his black belt or something because it will. He could actually fight. Is kind of I think hope that jubilee cream shots there for someone said I said Crane. Coach. Tom. Criminal. Georgia. bulldogs. Tom. Crean so much in the last two years or said Man I I wish Tom Crean was still a coach of Indiana. Which I didn't basically call to get him fired on twitter for. All your fault. But. I think. I helped Matt Damon in this movie in your right. It looks like Shit but he wasn't that when I think of the born movies in like the last time I wash felt the whole thing was shaky is definitely not Yeah. I mean I it's it's it's used to. Augment, the action in order like I get it it it it does it does work, but it is of the era. I'm glad we moved away from it. But. I would ever come back. It's it's hard. I mean, who knows I know that's not not a real interesting answer but. tufted. Tough to forecast that when you don't know anything about filmmaking in where cycles of it, where do you put the second movies movies after this? Because I've seen some applies to we asked what the question a lot people said. I prefer the other ones over there is the best I? Think. This is the second best. Okay. Okay. Yeah I liked this one third in the second. Thought, the Middle One was not the best one ultimatum I think. Yeah I didn't. Supremacy I think was third second movie last one ultimate him. I mean also like here, here's here's the one constant between the three D. movies. Got The greatest ending song in movie history. I mean fucking versions just different remixes of. Moby did remixes on top ARY mixes it just it just when you end anything with extreme I'm going to end the pollen extreme ways we've done before if just hits different, there's a goosebumps feeling, which is funny because they about movies we watch for character stay alive or like things continue and you kind of I roll sometimes you're like Nah. Sequels they do it in this shit I'm amped. Yet. He's Still going strong did if. Boarding in Bali or whatever now the movie. With the music, the music fits in well with what they're getting across at the end of the movie I think legally specially in the first one. Where that music hits in, it's got that like an he's got he's got this like tents. Unfinished business tone to it. Dan thing like just still happening songs like basically telling you to be continued I think it works really well in that and it was smart for them to basically make it like a signature ending for the series because that's like one of those things that we lost out of like action franchises is is the. Signature songs, whatever we used to have with the James Bond movies. You know we don't always have that anymore. So I kind of missed shit like that, and that's a signature, the Bourne series. Along with the Matt Damon. Well, then. That was it part of our biggest thing the score for mission impossible fall out with just a ton assault mission impossible theme weaved in different ways and it just that's what the vibe in that movie is. So fucking good. Another here's another question how much better argus or worse is the born franchise Mark Wahlberg is Jason Bourne. Oh be awful. Awful because he can't act like that. We're nearing twenty out of one hundred at that point for every movie. He can't I don't think he can act robotically like I think kind of it's almost difficult in a sense to act like stoically robotic the I think if Walberg British try that, you would sound like guy in the happening or whatever that movie was. There's no I. Don't know who I am. Crazy the issue is that with Matt, Damon. Matt Damon geometrically has a very likable face. Sorry like proportion wise. His look his vibe is very likable. Now that works for this character because it makes you sympathize with born as he's killing people. Whereas like with Mark Wahlberg Mark Wahlberg bad boy it's got a bad boy face and we know he's a bad boy from his days mark, Marky mark working with the funky bunch. And I would not sympathize with Jason Bourne as he was forced to kill people in in a quest to find the answers to his life. Does those. Confused This go ahead. A little my trips matthew. What's redstone? This this comes from APP. Paco Phil. Says what non-weapon household item like a pen role that or towel would you grab a fight? Oh. Magazine fight was sick. I forgot about that that was an ultimatum them right. Think. We're grabs the magazine puts in a Toaster F.. Forget something some happened. It was cool. Man. Let me think about this. Would you hit him with your big unbuilt box of our two? D.. Two legs ever built bat or is that? Is Yoda I am building. A good weapon. To Use a Guitar Charlie Illegally Jeff Jarrett the wwe. Tar over someone's head. Yes. Don't they means real. I. Don't think it hurt him that much because the guitar you probably couldn't get a good swing speed with the guitar because the aerodynamics of it and then hollow inside I mean Electric Guitar for sure were hurt somebody but not an acoustic going. Let's do We'll do it like the Dudley. boyz mutual. It'll be like Paul loons. Tables, and then we just like double team, Agai? Strictly through it it'd be awesome. What about a belt? Like you could use a belt like to try to tie tie someone up right. That's that's got to be one of the best cock like cartoon. like. I don't know what the best measurement the the best way cartoon to wash somebody beat someone up as when the old head goes through the guitar strings are all. Are All rolled up. I'd say. The best way to cartoon somebody gets hurt is when you pain a tunnel under the side of a mountain. And then you try to trick a bird into running into the next boring the next like the sixth born movie just like paints a tunnel in the side of a mountain. That's how. Worn finally dies, is he just? He paints a tunnel and then forgets he paints tunnel and he just he just drives a dodge challenger into it. Baby Grand Piano dropped on his head and his teeth into piano quick keys. Piano key there jason born crushed by a crate. Acne. Corporation on. Had Twenty Hyphen. Inside. Where they buying envel-. Where do you get that? You know if people make jokes about like Oh, we know as a kid I grew up I. got the hot lava is going to be a bigger problem and actually was in my life. Like. How many people are using an Villes in the forties When he's ready to in cartoons were coming out where this was just like that's an and bill. That's a very common thing in my wife I in the fifties I don't think many households just had an end Ville right. I can't imagine i. don't see why anyone would need one. No I don't think any households had and bill. The Smith he had an ad. ADVIL advil. Is, it just needs to do casual iron working around the house. I don't think so I'm not smething or on the house. Did the sound of Smith Cools. Hell though. It is the CLINC. Where you know video game like nope world. And you just hear clink clink and you know you're about to upgrade your weapons. But. In skyer him whenever you go to forge, there's just as the Smith is there clinkenbeard disorders in Europe, cotton acquit forget this claymore. Sick. Oh, it's a great feeling just got. Just. Got The. Thousand Island Stare. No. I'm about to say Sonics continuing on one last point. Did you ever listen to that come down said. No we're. Stab said, instead of a thousand yards D- stare you said it thousand island stare. All right. Audience. Funnel discussion audience gives it an eighty nine. By the way I love reviewing these. I'm very sorry for new movies. fucking come out just. This way more fun. So. American. Pickle later on the week eighty, nine from the audience. All Right Matt Damon though we're. GonNa keep talking Matt Damon. Then the podcast here the Matt Damon. Draft who went I last time Guy Denver. Okay. True. You did. What, what was their last draft? He's GonNa. All we did we did best performances in a movie. The audience took Lady Gaga I so trill UD I. Truly, trillion cares okay here we go. True you're up first. Matt Damon Character Draft. Matt Damon. Matt Damon Character is his his cameo from from Euro trip. I mean the guy do it sorry. be missing is character from rounders but come on. Yeah character I mean that was the audience is number one I mean that's that's the. That's the Michael, Vick and in twenty eleven. And I had them that Game Redskins, my fantasy team on real what a great day that was. Fantasy fantasy no Michael Lorettes after that year, and then the eagles built the super team and they got a Non Diaz more. Sucked and everyone thought the Eagles are GonNa win at all because they all the. Eagles were bad. The remedies, his his God voters was the year before. Yeah I'm saying but it was the. Half the season. Yeah. But that was the year big. Draft on that high fantasy because they didn't know what he could do. It's only when he got in those games, they became a fancy commodity. Then haven't Kevin COBB got her in the first year. He got hurt in those those blue and yellow throwback jerseys. That's embarrassing I get hurt in. Tough Jersey Yuga, hurt and so then after that I think the next year is and Michael. Vick. was back as the starter. That's when people took him. Telling Chip Kelly revolutionizing. That's. V gave all that ride Moody's. that. Keo Lonzo he was removed place Jamba juice John jus I say Jumba juices around then. I mean I have to protect what? You smell good. Because it's like chocolate and fruit nuts it's clean. It Smith smells like clean when you go into the fresh oxygen. That's definitely. Manufactured smell yeah but he's got, he's got a clean smell to it. You walk in Jama juice it smells like you're at the Hampton Pool. Good I'll tell that hotel pool smell smells clean is great. Yeah. I agree with that. Actually there's if you ever visit New York. New York and you want to do a very something very, not fun. Do this By Penn Station Madison Square. Garden if you walk towards macy's, there's one place just smells like chlorine smells like a pool I don't know what it is. Yeah I don't know what it is but. There's a brief second. You're like Whoa you think you're swimming pool is it a rooftop pool? You think you're getting a WATT format high up that'd be it actually under the Empire State building actually now it's nearby so I don't know what it is it's just it's Some some one of those like palatial underground gilded age pools with the Joe. The fucking statues look like they're in Gotham city. Yeah if you really WanNa do something not fund do that I have to go because the audience will take this from me. I, have to go with is from Ocean's eleven. Yeah. Even though he's really just on the receiving end of the best moments in that movie. Like he lied us doesn't do much to kick. Can I take linus from Ocean's twelve? Has This? Once I'm taking from the oceans franchise. The. Franchise. Even better if I held that one and just. Just. I assume you were going to take linus number one just to like no I like I like donny. Donny is good. Pick I gotta go linus. Again you know again he's. He's just. He's on the receiving end of most stuff illegal saying getting the God, Damn House and. some sun if you Max may be viewed. Ken Jack Number Number One I pick of the draft for you Mak Damon. Characters. I'll go through hunting because I think it's it's arguably his best performance. Maybe tonight is. My favorite character of his boat I think it's his best performance. Okay we'll hunt. That's that would have been my number two. Even though I do of born which boring audiences pig Yanni born to end around one, a will hunting I would say we'll have thinks is best role. Next up for the audience, they're going with his cameo from Thor Ragnarok. Feeling I didn't write data Mike Someone's going to get it early for some reason. Yeah. Save for some reason even though I wanted him. Cameo? From. Thor RAGNAROK CAC your second pick of the draft. I will go with. Sergeant Sullivan departed. Great role from him. Very his characters rate clean in that movie. Department it's part his apartment. Various Barbara. Surround system. Entertainment System. That's right the headphones on the wall. That's how. They're freeze character like listen to the tapes. Entertainment headphones on the wall. Explain that to me. Now. Richmond's best buy back in the day when they had those. Melissa listen stations like pick a disk and sample from it. mountain headphones on the stand. Mature loves the end of the Party likes the rat art. You're always talking about. World. Jimmy. What do you mean? Well what I saying. They're joe at the end of the departed there was a rat in implying that. You know he he was a rap. Rat. That wants to. Know, it's quite possible that. What have you got the eight of your Christopher Nolan and you're like, Hey, movie endings in a lot of controversial movie endings. You know ambiguous you don't really know what's going on. You care to comment on the rat at the department, just throw a curveball. He gets his notes out for the for the answer on inception. Screen ran I don't hate screener rant because we use a lot of their articles for news. They're really good curing. They had an article to tweeted out. They said a trailer for inception re release spoils the ending. Twenty years old but very much spoiled movie. Now, what if what if the re release the totem like started spinning in the just flew upwards office tree? Just, like an animation cel being pulled up. And it's like the what do you call it? The mighty ducks dark winged duck theme that did it did it did it did. Get that. Make it more ambiguous. God. Has Slide whistle sound effect. Lead slide whistle. Next To me, I'm going mark. Watney fucking while the Martian. Them me to bats. Second best acting. Job. He so good. He's just there I know I. Know People joke about how that one musical or comedy the Globes free silly but. He's very funny that movie that's his like in terms of charisma and charm very smart, very, very outset convincing as being an actual scientist, which is not something I would beg Matt Damon as ever. Met? The Real Merck. He went to purdue. Me How they watney actually Mark Montigny in that movie went to purdue right we've discussed this. There's some purdue mentioned in there. Someone, had a purdue something maybe lose astronauts. So them sure they had to they all went to. The ship was called the boilermaker when the. Just. Either in astronaut or a you're you know you work maker? WHO's up Jeff looking at a picture right now of the Martian, doing a screening purdue. Now, I just take Mark Watney trill to picks last around two I around three. All right. I'M GONNA take bill the Krill from happy feet to. ME WHY BILL THE KRILL Cameo voice in there's also will the Krill who? Is Brad Pitt they both cameo someone call in a favor to get them. Both movie has one of them has the best line of all time and think is Brad Pitt where How like ever since Ice Age all the like a lot of the animated movies are Pixar like we need some lake funny character side plot. It's like disconnected from the rest of the movie, the Krill. On. Toy. Story for the KRILL curls are Kinda like that here. We're we're willing to Krill bill the krill questioning will the KRILL and Willa. Crow goes no I'm one in a Christian I. Think I. Saw Fill The crows Japanese movie though my next pick is linus promotions thirteen. No not doing that hold on I'm taking Bob Tender from stuck on you. It's great. Big. Stuck on you. Even Mendez in general thing just slept on by the cinema community. We Got Mad Damon. Who else can we get? What about Greg Kinnear? Definitely. The most likeable faces of all time. Greg kinnear person that you have like ran into a restaurant while visiting Greg Kinnear like I feel like you. Near story I mean why go Malibu? He's a WHO's your baby he's from Logan's yeah. It's like the what do you call Kimmy Schmidt last season subplot or whatever titus runs into on the street and just decided to put on a play with him or something? Yes. I always like an ear I was like when you see somebody's from Indiana and the look at their college education it's University of Arizona Arizona State University that person knows what's up I gotTA get out get. OUT OF INDIANA, go these Arizona's schools I don't blame you a wish went issue. I'm going true grit for my pick will beef. Couldn't believe. Fantastic character that might I keep saying that? We can move. We watched it a little bit recently for the for something we owe Coen brothers than I don't full sit down just turn the phone off and enjoy. Ken Jack. Number. Three. Third Round Getting A. Private Ryan mostly I can't think he was really good. The movie Nabi shows up in the second act but I think he did re nightmare second third but he Does a really good job especially in that Improv moment where he did it all like off the cuff that random story that he made up is incredible these regan that movie young to that point. K private. Ryan. Prior lasted that wrong. Audience have private Ryan next snakes there. Pick book that little payback. Yeah. How do you like it motherfuckers you like an audience? Of you audience members. They their next pickings. Matt. Damon. Is Not really himself but Matt Damon from. Team America. and then Loki from dogma. Are To. Keys they got both locals. Yeah. Which rules Dogma that is. A Very. Good. So you're up next can jack. I'm going to go Carol Burnett from thirty rock. Because it's one of the funniest. We wanted to pilot. The pilot it's so fucking funny. This is it's something I never really saw coming out at like someone like Matt Damon it kills me every time I watch three rock that. Damn right that's that's a very good pick. Him In him in John Hannah to the better characters in Carol, Burn. That's another's did you watch the thirty rock thing they did The Twenty Twenty F- The covert episode restore now incredibly off putting I did not like it and I turned it off he's he's had to two roles in Carol. She was. Yeah we'll hear shelby. In for the for. Me Bring Carol back is a is a dude's name. Okay go for. That's a cooler. The powers in your hands. Okay I'm my. Name. Is Carol. Just a name change okay. Okay last two picks the draft row. Matt. As himself from the two, thousand, nine entourage. Give a little bit. And then I'm I'm going to take a Matt Damon as low key from the Jay and silent Bob Reboot. O. From. I can't do that because the same character. Sorry about that. I'm going to take franchise I. Think he could the view. 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Eddie Redmayne, Vol. II

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Eddie Redmayne, Vol. II

"Prepare your is humans. Happy sad confused begins today on hoppy. Say Confused Eddie. VITMAIN RE teams with Felicity Jones for the era knots. Hey guys I'm Josh Horowitz. Welcome to another edition of happy. Sad confused yes. The Great Eddie read main one of the more charming sweets talented gentlemen on the Planet Planet Returns to the podcast today for another random fun interesting conversation about a great many things including his excellent new film kind of like an old fashioned adventure story with him and Felicity Jones as I mentioned. They've re teamed they of Course Star together in the theory of everything that one worked out. Pretty well where Eddie Tacoma an Oscar for that and in this one they play too. He plays like a meteorologist. They scientist They are in a gas air. Yeah balloon and they kind of a real time adventure set you know. Many many years ago obviously and they are testing the limits of science And exploration and find themselves in a really harrowing adventure It's it's a it's a really. It's a great film to see on the big screen. They're both excellent in it and I had a great time with it. It opens on December. Sixth you should check it out. It is called the aeronautics. So that's the plugging for for Eddie's new film out of the way other other than that I just want to mention that this conversation you know really runs the gamut. We he he was last on the podcast. I think it was about five years ago. Surprisingly although I talked to him a obviously many times for on camera conversations for fantastic beasts and other projects but it was it was really fun to. It's always fun to kind of like really go deep with with Eddie in a kind of a A little bit more of a haphazard conversation a little extemporaneous conversation. He's currently shooting a film that we reference In this chat that I couldn't be more excited about its Aaron. SORKIN 's new film that he wrote and directed called the trial of the Chicago. Seven We allude to the fact that this is a true story about antiwar activists that were put on trial in the late sixties You can look up the details if you want. That's going to be coming. I assume probably late next year that that's a bad. It's an Oscar kind of film for next year. So that's very exciting Also talk about his his his many friends. That are currently working on Broadway whether it's Jonathan Price. Tom Hairston or Charlie Cox who again was in the theory of everything he really came up with this amazing crop of of young a young talented actors who are all now like hitting their stride. I mean they've been hitting it for a few years but they were kind of ruling theater and film so that's pretty cool Ah You know if you've seen Eddie talk you know he's charming and self effacing and just always a delight so really thrilled that he came back on the podcast the talk about the aeronautics today other things to mention let's see other cool things you could watch that I've done recently. Had A great chat with Amelia Clark and Henry golding their film last. Christmas is currently in theaters They couldn't be more fun to talk to that conversation is up on. MTV News Youtube page you can still check out my personal space. Conversation extended offended chat with Jason Momoa. who was just a blast to talk to? We went to link Livingston gets horrors in New York to talk about his life and career and his new film on Apple C- And then I saw I talked to the Charlie's angels gang the all of them though the three three leads including Kristen Stewart and Elizabeth Banks. Thanks the writer and director. So that's going to be up on. MTV newses social platforms and Youtube page of very soon. I think by the end of this week. You'll be able to watch that one so lots of good stuff. Lots of good movies out there guys. Ford v Ferrari opens this Friday. I would highly recommend that one. That's James Mangold latest film. Another true story starring Christian Bale and Matt Damon Yeah there's a lot of good stuff. Marriage story is playing. I think in in New York and select elect theaters. That's going to be a net flicks in a little bit. But that's one of my favorites of the year. It's turned out to be a pretty great year in film So hopefully you guys are enjoying doing The newest offerings as much as I am. And that's about it. Let me let me toss it to my my big old conversation with the Great Eddie Redman right now and with one last reminder minders to review rate and subscribed happy second fused. Police spread the good word. And I hope you guys enjoy this this chat. Can you believe Okay Eddie. It's been five years since he's been on the PODCAST has it. There's no I mean I've seen you thousand thousands in the Internet and the interim doing other things I guess making like doing happy second it will do again. Yeah it's five years since you broke broke the bird man action figure that still here. I God that was vicious of me. I'm with Michael Keaton so I'm going to say he can hash this out. I'm sorry I'm so excited. He's you probably got. Did you get to normal little bit on the surface and fleetingly and I liked him so much and we've got to scenes together in this movie but the film filming sorry currently. I'm really excited. I'm also looking at your table able things most terrifyingly. I'm sitting a poster for Willow Willow was yeah. I was taken to see when I was about eight years old right and I went to the Lou about twenty six times during Ed and my taken by grown up. She's not you're around. I find I was so terrified of that film. Queen by mortar is an imposing. was that her name. A wicked witch stealing ruling babies about a genuinely seeing that image is. Ptsd yes he has the Eddie's broken out into a cold sweat so is New York temporary home right. Now it is so my wife and I Have moved over here with other ones for four months and loving it absolutely loving it. So is this the first time you've lived in New York since since since radio so I did a play here. I feel say this point decade ago. Yeah and it's is as vibrant as ever filled with life and it's something about the CR- also one of the first film. My Dad's one of the first ones was good shepherd and we shot back here and it's the first time I've kind of wish the New Jersey but I I'm here for an age so what must also be obscene. Your life has changed quite a bit. You've got a four on family. You're you're a different. It's a different Eddie in some respects that's living living's actually a New York life right now and it's talking about all these restaurant the restaurant I'll see it also strikes me I was looking around. I see a fair amount of theater. Here I feel like everybody you've ever worked with is currently on stage on stage now. This is quite true. Yeah which is probably a sign saying that. I should so so Tom. Tom and Charlie Cox doing betrayal. London was fantastic and offer all the price on a hero. Stage yeah waiting for the errands doing go on ruse rates Aaron Tomatoes Doman Rouge. Have you seen. This is extraordinary spectacular as expect about clearly the tickets nine thousand dollars and are impossible to get. I'm going to have to pull as many restaurants in town right now. I get into that one two hours. Yeah Mockingbird I've got I've got plenty of theater and then this amazing play which was on in London called the inheritance. I'll just opening the again. I didn't see in London someone to catch all that to the West. So is is theater again. You've got you've got a lot going on at homes or something realistic at this point to get back to or as realistic and the book for Me With I. Suppose there's a certain sense with British actors there's this like Canon of I've parts that your mentor. Sort of play a lot of the Shakespeare and classics and when I started doing theater my first play London was an Edward Albee play with a goat and then I did John Logan's play read an Christopher Schiphol. Now they all new plays and I loved left having the writer in the room and getting to create characters sort of for the first time. Yeah and so. The last pair did which was major goes Richard the second. Ah since having a craving to a new play and finding what that is has been spoiled the ones you rattled off there. I've been so spoiled and I've had this weird thing in the theater. I mean films. I've done lots of sort of films that are hit or Miss Right but theater of the the difference with eateries you my way of choosing theaters. I always go okay. Worst case scenario right unit right to don't get on the. The price is a nightmare. The reviews a horrendous. No one comes and sees it like. Is there enough in the park and the player to still give you kind of sustenance continues safe for months when your paint. So where did that's quite kind of is decision to whereas with film there is an Alchemy. Which which I've never quite understood their scripts thought were brilliant? Yes end up. Being bad films their scripts though I thought bit dodgy the end up being good films. There's something in the process of making it. That is that is that is almost here which is wonderful. You mentioned and I've seen betrayal. I saw both in London in New York. Yeah Charlie and Tom do their thing along valley. Yeah so did. I know you knew Tom in school. Partly just on the circuit like like met. I'll tell tell you I met him. I met him when I was doing. It was the opening of the goat to separate Albie plant in London at the Alameda Theatre and Charlie had just finished doing and much in Venice with Chino and he came see the play and we were both we and clicked and became fast friends friends and then when he did theory of everything was kind of the most amazing in theory of everything because oversee Palestinian I had some showy apart and yet he grounded that film and this real man in wonderfully and so that was special for us. Does the Peer Group that you kind of got to know early on like whether it's like when you see Tom's career for is that what you would have like. Yeah he's going to be this like I mean. I walked out of the theater with him once and I saw I've never seen. Yeah I've never seen people reacted with any of us. Had Adore is that there was this troop. We were all auditioning. Whether it's Tom with Charlie overall Pattinson or Tom Sturridge Andrew Garfield we just for years we were scrappy. Hungry young actors like but but we were just going up a tiny parts. Tiny things we'd be like looking slightly kind of shovel wandering around Soho in London. All these these audition rooms in the basements of this underneath the edit suites and we'd go for these additions and you end up having catastrophic auditions and going to the pub and laughing about it afterwards and it felt. Ah We look back on it with great romance. Yeah it was probably horrendous and what was love news that you were what's been amazing from that group we've all won on some lost some and so and of course as competition and there's and over the years the wonderful things because everyone has sort of had an element of success. Now it's like everybody got not underdo and figure it out there pal. Also the wonderful thing back thing. Is You get to work with the older actors from the word. Go and you see and you hear from them in kind of mental larouche places that obviously careers in our world. They also late they never go. They never start in one place and end up going continuously being fantastic kind of ebbs and flows and the lovely lovely thing about working with L. Directors is the that's still doing and that's still passionate about it. And that you can have moments that hit at different times and parts that suddenly appear and then you can have periods when it's so. I think we will have a reassurance in that you mentioned like Jonathan Pryce who somebody that like like. When I was a kid I love? He was in Brazil and you mazing and urban been probably five five patches where I haven't seen them price on a film and like he's probably been working steadily for whatever reason right now. He's got the two popes odd way as well. So Joe Johnson is I. He gave me so he basically put me in this. Play the goat. This Avi play when I started. I'm really was a mentor. And I adore him and his wife Kate by he was also play and learn so much from him and continuously go and watch awesome onstage and do brilliant things on screen but but getting to then extraordinary thing when apart hits the right person whatever point in your career you are and seeing two popes which is a masterclass from both him and Anthony Hopkins assist. I find really emotional is very moved by it because Sir all Johnson's workers always been exceptional but for me this was sort of other level. Yeah now I will say we're talking about your your kind of your friend group. It's funny because like in a different way like obviously I talked to you guys to over the last ten years therapist therapy like I do feel feel like this weird like I'm rooting for all you guys. This connections like I knew you before like fantastic beasts happen tonight and I knew Robb way before I saw rob at a party this weekend. And I'm like your Batman and what happened. Yeah and it's great to sort of just like even be like to watch the ride. So wait is when you've been in it long enough like our our relationship with you for example it's this sort of we meet and these off environment. Yes and your kind person and you you have like warmth to that it is a sort of. It's lovely to but that's what the industry is is that you realize when you start out you feel like it's going to end with the next job and the wonderful the thing even doing it long enough that whether it's journalists or actors people human beings one person back to begin with it sales line as good so we should mention you mentioned felicity of who obviously you've redeemed on for this new one the Aaronow so when did you first meet felicity the city we contest she. I feel like we. We met at a party of a playwright. polly Stenham who was actually kind of almost a sort of ringleader in some ways of oatmeal of ringleader? But she housed a lot of these young reprobate actors when we were all starting outing out wonderful playwright screenwriter. I thought we met at her house once but flippity things. We didn't know digitally made an audition for film that never got made could mood indigo in which felicity was cast and she was telling me the other day. It was me Tom. Hardy and Andrew testing for this part opposite and Dominic Savage Mitch was directing it and we had to stay. He told me to stare into these is just to see if we had chemistry of two minutes and the thing occasionally when a review goes great chemistry feels very warming because there was is a period when it wasn't so and then but we really become close again so simply to the guys you know whether it was st st or Carey Mulligan Haley and all these sort of axes. I've what is we. We were powerless as well. So it's kind of it's wonderful getting to two with it's funny. I think when I saw you maybe it was for the last Motassedeq Beasts. I think we were just chatting and I was asking about this film and I was so like like under the. I didn't realize what this film was. I was like. Oh it's going to be a sweet story of just like hanging hot air balloon. He looks like a nice little romp. You're like no I'm dying and almost killed me. Yeah and yeah. It's basically it's like gravity in a hot air balloon. I mean it's what I loved about it. So when you read a script we're talking about Alchemy we'll makes I just read the script and there's a moment in the film where felicity client which may have glimpsed trailers. And she she you know she climbs on top of this balloon and she is literally on top of the world and I read the description of it and I said this time where everyone's questioning cinema and I want to see that I just WanNa see and sometimes the reason one chooses a job is competing beat to do with who you're working with. It can be to do the character. It can be collection things but for meals is wanna see that like I would like to be in a movie that happens in sort of a diesel fulfilled that for me and and and the weird mixture in this film of in the one hand you have the intimacy of two people confined to this to me. Talk to me to space. And then you on this canvas like this to reeling macro adventure so I thought those things kind of entry a clever kind of construct words essentially in real time. But you're flashing back to earlier portions of the ship. Yeah I mean there was a point where director wanted it because so the so the the the balloon journey takes place as you say in real time as a second when he wanted it to be exactly second to second second second and also. I think it's going to be based the timing if anyone's really guy I must be like Al Roker say movie. You're celebrating meter meter meteorology asses. His aides say he's been waiting for is the most British film ever. It's up to people in a balloon in tweed told me about the weather much. What did you? I've never hot air balloon. Yeah so I'M GONNA I'M GONNA call you on this so it's actually gas abilene. Mary's a difference just because so basically gas balloons are literally a balloon filled with hydrogen helium with ropes so touched to it attaching it to a basket or as hot air balloons. You can turn up the heat. Which Ritchie judges? How high and so the only way that you can let gasoline saloon? Down is by letting the gas out pulling out and lets the gas out God and it means that the only way that you can keep going higher is by letting sandbags out losing losing balanced anyway. Listen I made the film. And they'd built this gasping. They don't really existed in Britain anymore. So they built one which has to go through the same testing syrup lanes the aaronow test of good which is fine. which makes it sound really safe? But it was in no way saying and often bliss denied done all this research search on these nineteenth century balloonists and they all basically ended up dying and then suddenly after we did I fly in which they were being shot from how we are being shot from helicopters and drones and that was all very great and peaceful and beautiful and then try to land. We did crash into a forest forest and come hurtling down and flip very died and and also oh why did it not Kurt. Why did it not occur to me having read all this? Nineteen essentially knowing that basically the technology hasn't changed in one hundred and fifty s right. Why did I think it was gonna be different now? You know why they kept going back then let themselves go. Yeah that's the way. The oddest thing was that whenever you do film the Insurance Medical thing you do they want to check. You're not going to die of illness while you're doing it because because all this money has been invested in on this film that the insurance rigmarole they put me through till I run topless with things. Attached Voids Attached to my to see whether healthy enough and I love it. Basically put all the fat check that I wasn't going to get a stitch breathless but at the same point. They're very willing to to put into a death Mississippi. Anyway have you jumped out of a plane. Have you bungee jump any of that stuff. I'm not gonNA I feel like you did I saw. I'm not that guy but I know if I were to do I probably would jump out of a plane rather than Bungee jumping bungee jumping site at least as of osteopathy offer his plan. You're putting your trust in one expert. Not Too I have done is. I've like jumped off. I have paraglider off a cliff out to go. Take that judgmental race. The back with someone chasing you or was this just walk off actually skied off like a mountain okay. It's great there because you don't have to have the moment of going. Oh I'm jumping cliff. Because he just just gently ski and then it catches the catches the parachute behind you and then you all was attached to someone who wasn't but you you have a great yeah yeah. So what percentage of the actors that we've talked about what you WANNA be confined in a basket with for for months on guys. Do you know what are the ones. I've mentioned how it'd be very happy to to hang out in ALFALFA'S I haven't made any any of the Turks hard-core yeah so okay. So although I know what you're looking by omission now I can figure it out. Oh wait okay. So since we haven't had this kind of a chat post a remarkably posted the amazing a theory of everything. Oscar run. Did it. Did it change a lot for you personally personally. And professionally. In retrospect I mean what would it changed was it just gave you more choice because again the the other thing thing is the sort of The reality of our industry is all financial one the euro unless apparently I've never seen these lists and how financially viable. Oh you are internationally and whether small movies can be put together with and again with older actors and your your on a list a certain place and and and and you don't know where that is but your conscious that you're not being offered the work and then and then suddenly for a moment on top of that list and you get offered more things and again that'll change and shift so what it did. Is it allowed choice which I hadn't hadn't film for and and that but what's interesting about that is whereas at this time when we were all in so hone going out for auditions is what happens. is you get sent an email by agent. It says you know this is Elizabeth the Golden Age starring. Cate blanchet direct by shake Kapoor with Jeffrey Russian. Wow all those people are brilliant. Uh they want to addition for this part and so you go on a par I get it where suddenly what happens when you you is your now being sent me scripts before they may be directors attached or. Maybe you're the person who has to taste. I suppose is being challenged Allen Jr all right I whereas before a lot of caution when Koga machine but you'd also go well if these great quality people attached hatched than you. You'll sort of having to sort of make some of the calls and and that's been curious kind of loved it in some ways and The judge of a script like I read. Let's do you know what my I often have an instinct. Alfred Molina said something when we were doing read which is used to read a script and added. There's a moment where you feel nausea. which is when you basically realize you've got to do it? You go from reading. Reading is an objective thing to kind of see I feel sort of the same But then what's lovely is when there's a no brainer which like for example. The film to Chicago Seven where where this thing. Just leaps off the page in a way that that you just got some of you know outdo craft service thing. What's that one I like because I'm so excited for that for reasons? Aaron Sorkin. Yeah I don't have a bucket list Gracie hey this is quite often. When you're acting people go what are we going to do the act together and I don't really have any answers to those questions other than our sorkin so when this came around? It's yeah it was a moment when the phone calls happened. And then I'll read a sentence crypto. Please please be pace because it was and for those who don't know I mean I I know I remember saw Daca. And he was by Brett Morgen many years ago about these guys Antiwar activists. This is a problem. It's been around around for a while to Spielberg was going to do it at one point. It's an amazing ensemble. You're playing Tom. Hayden Antiwar Activists Talked to me a little bit about. Also here's something that occurred to me. I don't think I've ever I do at least in a while speaking American accents. Yeah how's that GONNA. Yeah so I had years of doing these tiny little films Sundance Yohannan playing angle. The Americans and on theater on stage you know read playing America and so basically my whole ten years but the known surroundings so it doesn't feel strange to me. Sounds a good sign but but it's but it's also nice been wonderful getting to workweeks. I've actually love dialect because I tend to approach it in a way. It's a bit like playing the piano or learning a dance Mike. I'm already cropped onset and it takes me forever to learn the move but once I've really got embedded in me I can kind of and and so what I love a- as an actor yours trying to work out. What you'll route through character is what the process is? I'm what's lovely when you doing specific accent. Is you start in a really technical Michael level months beforehand is how I live today and then by the time you're playing embedded freeze you anyway. So yeah did you question. I don't it's okay. We we both are extemporaneous the perils of this podcast on. Did you know that much about this history like this. I knew nothing about it and then I read the script and it's you know is a. It's a film about these antiwar activists it's about the sort of the state making an example of them. I've got to find a way to talk about the film. It's a courtroom thriller thriller but it is the most scintillating writing. I'm sure that I've I've I've read in an age and it has this thrilling kind of urgency to and and at its appropriate symbol. And that's what I suppose was something that I hadn't realized that I was whether it's there have everything. All the Danish girl or arnauts beasts is much more of an ensemble but but to get to work with this a ray of actors. I knew that because of the quality not of the writing that Aaron would attract wonderful rice but the film's not since attached to it for a couple of times and it's and you the that's been quite emotional already. You're quite right invested in it. Got What Sasha Baron Cohen and just Karai Lines Juggling love lovely actor shop And Giancarlo Lynch and and uh-huh Michael Keaton. I it's really failed to the brand and rylance literally gave me my first ever job playing violin in twelfth night opposite him paying Livia almost twenty years ago and that was that got me an agent and a career and getting too because a lot of it is courtroom at the Franklin Jenner is getting to watch Franklin Jello and Mark Rylance masterclass. It's a genuine near that kind of. Yeah because I didn't realize he was playing William Kuntsler who I as a New Yorker I grew up like. That's a I can see right well anyway so also you. We've also made light of the fact that like part of what I present many people I think appreciate about. You is like a your kindness but also your self deprecating and sort of like very own your nervousness this attack. That's how can be summed up right if there was a sound that embodied anywhere near arsenic the flooding. But here's the thing okay so even post-oscars that's not something that we're you can like. If you're you're nervous moments on set you can you can think like I have got. I've reached the top. I been celebrated no because because you know the look the thing about acting. His anyone can have an opinion Because you're playing humans and so any human can stop and go. I think that's it's unreal. I don't like that and and in acting you're made aware of it people and they tell you lovely things of course and they tell you when you when you think you've you've felt and so what's so it's a life of any. I suppose a person working in the public is something for for for people's criticism but the interesting thing is that no one is as critical. I heard Kate Blanchett said actually it was interesting to see again from people that you think middle. Yeah but you're no one's credit 'cause you're by yourself and so what sometimes tricky acting is when people are going. I don't I agree. I'm not sitting here and the weird the thing about Phil more than anything is you can't do anything to change it. So you in the hands of others. And that's what I'm I and do you own people go here. We go hundreds of takes you really. Don't I don't particularly something like I'm the silicon movie which is a low budget indie film in some ways you you get out and there is and then you just have to wait and see the things that you're upset with worse than fifth you can try and mend. It is the constant appeal theaters. You can kind of go and have another iterative. It's sort of like. Yeah what's also you're making a Komo struck bug actors that have to make choices on that first day on the set that you can't like there's only so far you can you can vary now from where that initial choice. Well this is consistent and then you you talk about an pull. Dino is a good friend and he was directed a film recently and was talking about how riveting actress is being in the edit suite and seeing from all points of view. You see isn't actor you. You have an instinctive choice that you've sort of created in a vacuum because you've been working by yourself tonight and when you have four takes you choose those four takes to mine that specific choice because you've got this idea but you want to make sure the camera captures the best version of it or you just let it go for different completely different various and hopefully consistently listening listening to what the other actors are giving you back and it was interesting hearing his take on that having having step from behind the camera. So what does he as a director want does he want. Yeah yeah when he says well. I think it's I think it's more complicated than one or the other. It's riveting to to find the and I think the more I sort of. Ah I find that all of that compelling an actor who said I'm totally misquoting. Because of this I was told secondhand recently as of one of the things that makes acting unfulfilling. Sometimes when you go home that's is just a graveyard of of untapped ideas and so robin guy all those ones but all of these other things have been at number. Actually that may be slightly kind of excessive. But I hope he's right there talking to mark rylance about it. The other day he described it is and he's such beautiful optimist and he was like thinking of it more as a meadow of growing ideas. I try to take. That was on told him that recently. Recently my wife and the House and she's a great gardener and she. I'm super impatient and not Gregg Allman. She said I just thirty some seeds down. And just just make meadow of men and I thought you just had to rattle these seeds around and then transported. You had to subdue meadow died. Sounds like Komo is telling me about. This meadow of identity Meadow Slam. That's your nickname. Is there a point now. Still in every film where you even. If it's not a rational thought you think you're going to get fired. You think it's not gonna I think I'm sort of weirdly weirdly a little bit but what happens definitely when it started like for example theory of everything. Now I was cost without an audition I was has cost through a long discussion and I think there were various other actors that Jones March two one Taylor spoken to and sweet. He cost me without addition. which is? It's amazing but got it would have been terrifying to try and audition a Stephen Hawking before having done four months research short but I do remember day one on set I I hear it. Is You say well those interesting in the Danish go we did some tests very early. F- F- partly. Because I wanted to Tom. Hooper wanted to to see just months before we started filming and then yeah and so quite often for example. Now it'll be when you're auditioning with other actors who are auditioning for the directors will get a first glimpse something in your way is. That was a are. You still have to audition can you. Are you non. Not No not at the moment but that is we've been through the traumatic dish. We get through but at the same point as I always say to. You know. I think what the other thing that happens is within within an industry. Your seen in a certain way and I've done as we've said like years of dealing English period dramas and I always make it absolutely clear the as you just said. You haven't done American accent for wall in fact that those little films that you've done the people that you care about the directors you'd like to work with obviously haven't seen those because they were tiny films they weren't necessarily right but so I'm always an advocate of you've put yourself taper to to to prove people uh-huh yeah you're you are capable sign different so I i. There's no kind of relation pulling any and you've watched what your friends have have done it. Re- crofting people's interpretation of them. Yeah is so. In retrospect what in the decision process fantasy beasts was there much doubt at all or was it like this is. There's too many grows. There's too many obvious great benefits to this to have much concern that I got ought to read the first script and I just I love the magic of the world of it and I found the character unique because he was he felt like an anti stereotype really of in the midst of a of a of a big sort of movie. Well that's not the protagonist and so that was. That was my question and I've got to say I have loved loved making them that it's a really creative bunch you do keep in touch with cast between the big as a beast of what's up briefest Allison's currently in Australia I think so he's back in New York. God knows Astra is some knows as this makes me so happy being one of them do a great deal seeing except for the fact that when we came into your madness wrangling as percent me Mike Dodd. Hey this wasn't say I've got some choice videos by Ezra to uh-huh randomly amazing from the streets of like random streets around the world and I'm like what are you doing. What is amazing? Even come together I some I know yeah so is it. Sounds like the third one is moving forward. Steve Clovis is now helping to right. It's the this is exactly what I've heard the same thing I really don't know I don't know any more than that other than it's got to be exceptional. It's gotta be like it's got to be something wonderful because it's hotch an astonishing world and it's a world that I loved in the Potter Films Swimming and and there's a fan base. It's just people that love that women have expectations for it and we need to hit those excited to go into it with a with everyone. Having Faren ringing all senators and wanting to make it the best we can be sensitive at all or do you watch serve the reception of it. It's so funny. 'cause the second film I think made like six hundred fifty million. Yeah and there was also the there's some perceptions that it wasn't as great as I one table for whatever reasons for better worse hair all of that and and and the reason when people say you re Chris I do because it's sort of galvanizes you and that's why I was totally open to all of that and and and and I think that everyone was because again because jk rollings created something that is so. Is this weird thing where world's reach of status with that almost owned by the by the Argonne was this. Yes they feel that they are right as a fan of of of complicated thing where it's called still how how a baby and her imagination. The expectations are high. And so I think we're we're going to go in with guns blazing. I just hope he ones. I just hope you guys supposedly it set at least partially in Rio. Ya just let you guys go to Rio. At least I mean if you're going to have a film in Rio any should get go to Rio for can tell me about it. Let's in his speed walking down. Copacabana Lauro's going Polit Pale red main Ford slash commander. Skin there's your down Cococabana combined with like I don I I like it. Yeah I mean to be honest. If what you're saying hang is can you actually go and shoot locations. Can I just make it absolutely clear that I have fought hard to go to every I I sort of right emails relatively consistent consistent to offer juices going so you just on like scouts in this country looking at what the so that you can rebuild. Build indies if we all shooting which we are shooting I think quite low in leavesden. Yes they are rob and Zoe and pull will are all shooting Batman in leaves. And that's the way I have a busy pitching for like although I think that's been caused as well now is it's like basically. I could come dressed as news out. I could be the anti circuses. Alfred Alfred's Powell Harvey Dent Harvey Dent. Yes they're still looking for that are they. Okay desperation the desperation one brothers making it. They know me they do. If I was crossing their mind they would have. They would have called happy freezing. I think the fact that we're shooting at the same time that's why are you okay with do you feel like you still need to check the superhero the box or is it so I honestly it's script script I would never. I know that sounds city but you don't don't say anything. There's I mean like your buddy benedikt like you could have done dr strains that make sense like I feel like I have. The physical presences is Ben. Does you know he's got like the. We've never seen him in a speedo on the Copacabana. Yeah I okay how to make sure Essequibo does what nevermind. Nevermind the right. Do you know what's what's coming up after you're in the middle of this year just I started getting started halfway through shooting Jeremy Strong in this movie as well if you want accession astronaut Jeremy for many years and he is just so wonderful in this again talk about an after finding the right part of the right. Yeah and so. We're right he was pointing out. We're literally halfway through. I've still got my Michael. I actually break the Birdman Wings. I don't think I did. It wasn't like you cracked it enhances your ear need let you picked it up. It was probably already precarious construction. Okay that wasn't on purpose. I thought I just heard the I remember losing the institute. Those are gone. I think those are your passing off like you didn't steal it but we know now to check your trailer on the set of this it spilled with Saas Harlot Shit everywhere I love. It is the thing you're always welcome here came on set. Yeah Yeah that was that was pretty cool he spielberg what. I'd met him once when when I was doing red and and I was really hung over. So they have this thing on Broadway where they do like Sunday matinees which in the UK. You don't work on Sunday and it was the first week and I had done the first week and I'd sort the forgotten that was the Sunday shows how got to Saturday. We have two shows. I've gone out and it'd been pressed week and gone out and got really really obliterated and then turned up the next really one of the only time I've ever been slightly out of on stage and there were only two of us on stage so I felt like I was floating the whole way through the play and then at the end as I was coming down past past. Alpha from Lena's dressing rooms I hate. Stephen likes buckle with shame so I did. I haven't that was about ten years ago. I hope you didn't apologize. I I was on the verge of just scoped into a back room. Yeah he's clocked me. That's Yeah Yeah No. I'm excited to see west side story. Not Saying that he had an amazing tale that. I'm glad you're enjoying your time in New York with Mr Aaron Sorkin just talking for hours. People probably checked out of his paws about no not always welcome here. It's not gonNA be five more years before you're back and as you can see there's plenty in the office to Karen just has. Has this office been photographed. 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Ford v. Ferrari Trailer + Tracy Morgan's Bugatti Gets Sideswiped

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Ford v. Ferrari Trailer + Tracy Morgan's Bugatti Gets Sideswiped

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I use it at home as it here we use it in the garage. We use it everywhere. Available at JV. Well dot com. Home Depot Lowe's. Autozone O'Reilly WalMart. I mean wherever you, wherever you get any as if are really anything. Amazon J B weld world's strongest bond. All right. So excited the trailer finally dropped for Ford versus Ferrari. Yeah. We've been waiting on this thing for while as predicted it's kind of the Christian bale story or Christian bale portrays Ken mine, the end miles story with Christian bale as can miles. They, he looks like him naturally. Yeah. Yeah. You kinda does. And it's it's going to be. I I it's going to be great. They get like a great team behind, like we said bail, and Matt Damon, James Mangold. He did such a great job on Logan. I love Logan. I thought that was I thought he did a great job on three ten to Yuma, which is another one of his films. So it Shelby and it's Ken miles, and so far, it looks like the story of Shelby and Ken miles, and Ken miles, and his son, but wife, did you dig into it at all the, like who's playing some of the Ferrari, people is there an Enzo like at one point that was talk of, of an Enzo movie or, or talk of like Robert deniro playing Enzo, maybe in this film, or a different film. And, and we keep talking about David and bail because they're in the trailer and I realized I don't know who's who's playing the Ferrari role. Well, I was looking down the I'm db page, and it's sort of in order of importance appearance. You know most. Screen time. I normally so Christian bale, Ken miles, I, I think Matt Damon Carroll Shelby second. I think third is like his wife, or his son, I think, is wife can miles wife, and then there's like Lee Iacocca. Yeah, there's a bunch of guys that are in our, you'll see them in the twenty four hour war, you know, like, like Shelby will bring up names like Dan Johnson said, come come down to headquarters, and I'll show you whatever, what are these names, and you'll see those names in this doc and, or in this feature film, when you get debt you gotta go down a little ways to get some Ferrara guy. Yeah. Down there Ferrari himself. I think you gotta you gotta truck down, like nine or ten names to get too far which says to me he's in it, but this isn't his story. Yeah. And then the Ferrari the Ford V Ferrari portion of it is this on? Innis like Ferrari is out there and they've already been dominating without having to sort of reflect on one particular person, they can just build it up as for our in general. Yeah. Do I am. Db Amax, Pat. And you'll see that I think for is down the list a little bit. There are other players, and there is a guilt guys like Don Beebe or something like that. Don BB was a wide receiver for buffalo BB. It is their sound talian. There's a fri- I think there's a BB guy that Leo now not Leo baby. I think there's a there's like a done fry. Oh, maybe there's lealbm. It's like Don Frye, Leo. Bb. Yeah. We'll figure it out. I think Don frying, Leo, BB, we're names like that. Or what they are what they put up there. And so for Ari. Right. But Charlie Acapulco who's the mechanic for Ken miles is right under that. So we interviewed him. He's in our doc. He's young ish. I mean, he must've been when he was the mechanic, or on the crew for Ken miles, he must have been nineteen and a half. Yeah. Because he seems like he's sixty three now. Yeah. Not an old guy. Right. And he came to our shop, Charlie do. And we interviewed him so sorry start at the time. We'll sort of take take take a look. So it's ten miles, Ken miles wife? It's Shelby Lee Iacocca film, burnt all he's great. Phil Remington is the mechanic. He's mechanic, you're right, Leo BB. Oh, Josh Lucas places plan. Live. Right. So Peter miles, the son, Henry Ford, the second. There's so you don't realize not a lot of Ferrari in here until you get down the thing. That's kind of funny is Chris dharga plays home in or moody. I can't remember home and moody. The guys built engines and did all the stock car stuff and put some of the GT forties out there, some home and moody GT forty Tolman my buddy from a million years ago, the groundlings Chris dharga place a home. Is it John moment? Leo Hohmann, John. John holman. Right. So it's, it's an interesting story, but stopped me from wrong MAC to Pat Enzo Ferrari doesn't come on. I'm DB thing until, like fifteenth. Yeah. Tiki bar waitress commentator. Right. So this is the story of Shelby and Ken. Yeah. And this is the story, I said, should be talked about max patta found a two year old interview with me talking to Haggerty about just doing interview about probably the twenty four hour war. And I said, the Ken miles story that yeah story that people need to hear, so. Yeah. See, I'm sure I'm not going to be recognized in my time. In anybody's time. But one day, they'll a wreck the monument, and then some ballots kids wanna torn down. Yeah. So I said a few years ago, the story is the Ken miles story. Yeah. You said it in August, two thousand seventeen and then it was announced James mangled with directing a film called Ford versus Ferrari, in February of two thousand eighteen. Right. And I said, what max patta? Sorry, you said we started making twenty four hour War, I hadn't known as much about the Ken mile stories of probably should have that part to me, was, I hope inning miles was such a gentleman. And he was so mild mannered. He's going to be the first guy to win the triple crown of Daytona, Seib ring, and Lamar and basically just got gypped out of his limo win, only did I tragically testing some months later and all this has just been lost to the dustbin of history. It's so sad that most people even gear heads, and people that are into the hobby, don't even know who can mile. Was so James Mangold receives his Oscar at some point he'll go shout out to Adam Corolla not being for the Haggerty online Hagerty insurance online article about another project where he singled out, Ken miles, I would never had the inspiration to tell the store. Yeah. Think that's going to happen. No. Okay. I'm sure he's also going to say I heard, there was a really great documentary. I did not. I'm going on record did not see that documentary. That's right. But Hollywood always gets the opportunity to take liberties with the story and build it up and make an exciting. But this is a story that's already has all kinds of drama and tragedy and things. But how do you how do you think James mangles going to turn it into a two hour super dramatic rush type movie rush- esque? I think key focuses on the Ken miles relationship with the sun, the Kenmare. Relationship with the wife and you really get invested in Ken mile. Yeah. And because once you buy into Ken miles, the man than Ken miles, race, car drivers, easy, because that story just tells it self going for the triple crown gets completely jacked out of it at Loma. And then his dead seven weeks, later testing, so, yeah, all you have to do to the audience, get them invested in Ken miles, as dad and Ken miles is a friend, Ken miles, Shelby's, Fran and Ken miles, the husband, Ken miles, the racer that story, you don't need to change a word and that story. That's drawn out like a Shakespearean play. Right. That's a tragedy of Shakespearean pumping oil right there. Yeah. Well as I was telling my friend Aggradi. Several years ago, I do know that, that story did at the time. But you know what better now? Animas that Ken miles of the documentary world lost the dozen very tragic stories. Right. Ken burns of the documentary set, but I'm I'll be the Ken miles, if they never made a movie about Ken mile. So watching the trailer of the I guess, the, the online version the longer like two minute trailer, and I love that they have sort of a, a thrashing seen to get the car together. It's all it's all rocky in the gym, you know, either tiger kind of thing going on, and it's but it's the crew and I don't know how long they had to actually I don't recall specifically how how long they had to build on the car. They said ninety days, I think it was more than that. I like that. They were bold enough to show a sparks flying. That's great showing avait if it's never been done. The grinder. Right. It's also easiest seen to set up when you're filming because you go, what are we doing with this grinder now than just just go on top of this piece of metal sparks fly out? And then we'll get we'll get the grind scene. Yeah. They all focused and. Are they in a diner room during the dining room? They had that famously it's in our dock where the head that, like computer punch card. Yeah. That simulated Lama. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And they had, I think, Dan, gurney was talking about it. But they took a four twenty seven and ran it for like, forty two hours nonstop, and, and they, they moved all the shifting and everything to simulate Lama. Yeah. So it's like malzahn straight. You know we're running at seven thousand rpm for four minutes. And then back down through the turn. And then back, you know, so literally built a mechanical simulate. Yeah. To run the engines for, you know, if the twenty four hours, a Ma they'd run it for thirty six hours, but Ford was developing the Ford was working on the engines, not in house, it Shelby. Right. Because they could never afford it. Yeah the, the Ford. In at Ford, I believe in, like Dearborn was this state of the art big, mechanical, Dino, ran the engines as it with one of those computer punch cards like simulate race. Everything was analog obviously. But that was part of the we have an unlimited budget to beat for Ari. Like what other teams had a Dino, they all had Dyno's but then have Dyno's where they could run the engine for two days? Simulate the track every shift in breaking point, right? Yeah. It's gonna be we're gonna wash it some trailer. It's going to be pretty exciting. I'm excited for it. It's gonna I'm looking forward to this film. What does it November fifteenth? Yeah. November fifteen number fifteenth. Now how do your sink Oscar season? And I have yet to see I saw the trailer of the Shelby doc of your Shelby doc, but I have not. Seen the film yet. And in the twenty four hour war, when you guys cut that when you Nate were cutting that originally, there was a, there was a big Shelby portion of it, and you're like this is its own movie. Let's, let's reduce the amount of Shelby that's in it, do standalone film with that. And let's focus more on the, the Ford versus Ferrari, aspect of, of the battle, we had in within the twenty four hour war for Ford versus for our, our dock, and it was a la- mom was the big thing in the middle of that dock. We had. I don't know twenty twenty five minutes of like Shelby Shelby building that they tone, a yeah. Shelby. Cobra Daytona winning Daytona, having set the lap record or tested riverside and have it be three seconds faster than a Cobra and all that stuff. Caught on fire. Daytona Shelby sort of pulled the plug, and blah, blah, blah, it was all in there, and the whole thing, you know, things like two hours, long, maybe over two hours. And when we're watching it. I was saying that in the middle of our doc about really developing. The GT forty the Ford GT forty to go to the mall and, and beat Ferrari in the middle of that story. We had this story about these guys from Venice beach building Daytona and winning at Daytona. See bring in some other place, winning the manufacturers championship, blah. But I was like, we shifted from the GT forty to this other car for a long period of time and then we're going to go back to the GT forty and I was like it's confusing. I mean it's not confusing to me, but anyone else would sort of be confused that we're hopping around different cars. Are we talking about which wouldn't Cozma rising, and it's great story? But it's it's wasn't exactly accurate. As far as it wasn't telling the right story for the twenty four hour war, right? Kinda setting up a little bit too much. I said, we kept kind of tightening. It up and paring it down. But I said, I think we just need to kind of remove that whole chunk. And then we'll use it when we do the Shelby, doc one day. So it was funny when I was watching the as watching a rough cut some months ago, the Shelby dock and it's like two it was like two hours and twenty minutes or something like that. And I was just watching the whole thing, and I was like, that's needs this, and it's slow here and he's that and certain point got to, like, sort of the middle. And I was like, oh, this part works. It really picked up when we hit this part and really look good from this part of that part, and then it slowed down again. And it was like, yeah. Because that's a part. We just took out and put in from our other movie that was already done already. And I don't even remember I didn't remember the guy. I'll sudden it's good like it's fast working. Everything's good. Good. And I was like that middle parts. Really? That's done. So that's why pages the notes on that one. All right. So I was like. So now the whole thing, the Shelby, doc is, is good and twenty four hour wars. Good. It's all good. But Shelby doc is over two hours. It's not a short not a short doc. Now, I must say also so maxa PANA tells me the, the UK title and maybe the European title for the Ford V. Ferraris Lama, sixty six which makes sense. Although a little, I'm necessary I feel but I guess it Llamas bigger race. There understand it more everybody. There is familiar with Ford and Ferrari, but maybe not familiar with the battle the, the, the versus portion of it as much as we are. We don't. Yeah. So Lamar sixty six that she'll be the European title for. And. In, in Japan, they've retitled that Toyota V dots. Yeah. If you know that I mean these people in the door trying to get all in their push. Switch. All right. Let me hit Castrol over here stronger under pressure engines can lose up to ten percent of performance due to friction Castrol edge with fluid. Titanium transforms under pressure keep metal from rubbing and I know you say rubbing is racing but not inside of the now you want that little film of Castrol edge three times. Three times stronger against leading three times, stronger than leading full synthetic against Scotty, breakdown Castrol edge, everybody. Yeah. All right days of thunder when they got that oil leak right before the race. We had a switch engines we've found some metal in the oil filter. Oh, Where'd you get? Well, we still. From Randy Quaid. Tender Faust also in the Ford be for Ari as Ronnie buckman. Yeah. He's probably done some stunt driving in that movie. A little acting. Well, our, our friend Jeremy fry Jeremy fries, Ben here. He's been on car cast. He used a driver and baby driver and all the John wick movies, and he was working on this film. How does he drive in this John wick movies when the drive shaft is? All right. I don't know. I have no idea. It was pretty interesting poor sunny. He's explaining me like I love, John wick. I was like, okay, but here's depart, daddy doesn't like. He doesn't like John Leguizamo saying that the drive shaft is all shot to hell. You can't drive it. When the drive shaft is all shot to hell. He drove it like from his garage, because he parked in the garage at night, and then drove it like out into the middle of the streets of like was. Oh, can take a look at it. It's weird. I think he was driving home from where he stole it. Well, I think drives home. Parks it in his garage at night. And then the next thing is, like, like almost like outside walking around the car, and I didn't have the sound up. I just feel like drove it he was driving back from the place. But maybe you're right. Also know that senior tastes, I had to explain explain to sonny's like he's like, John wick. He's got a puppy. He's got a really cool car, and I'm like, okay. Daddy's five ten is much better than John width piece of shit Mustang. What's driving it? Sixty seven or something sixty sixty seven look dick, just because you put craters on a month thing at blackjack headers doesn't mean it's not a piece of shit. It's not about the car. It's about the dog. It's a it's a sixty nine oh, it's a mock one. Yeah. John wick drives seven thousand dollars. Yeah. You put an ad Elif suspension in the back and blackjack headers on their Rikers. I mean, what, what the fuck would that car? If my friend was, like, I'm going into this rushing impound, and I'm going to go shoot, the place up and getting Mustang back. I'd be like or we can just go to EBay and get another one for eight grand. It's the same car. Yeah. Better, the damage that he did do it's gonna cost one hundred grand with sixty nine Ford, Mustang mach one. Right. It's just like black with a black interior. Like what? When was it curricula show stupid with cars, like I I'm sorry. I had to do to my son, but he's like he's got a really good car. And like I off your mom's tesla. She sold it with my eleven of car. Okay. So you think your mom's car super cool? He's. I mean it gets him where he needs to go. Datsun six ten that's much better than that car in race trim. Yeah. Yeah. Even stock I swear to God bones, doc, I might take dots and six ten. Oh, what the films they call it a boss for twenty nine but all the car guys, like no. Yes. Not about for twenty nine but like in the movie like his wife gave him the car and the dog. I think yeah. And that I don't know. But it definitely gave him the dog. Ford made a four twenty eight Cobra jet. Yeah. They made some money I made a four twenty seven. Four twenty nine made an engine afford twenty. Yeah. But they didn't write didn't make a car. Yeah. And a four twenty nine boss. Yeah. So they may twenty seven twenty eight and twenty nine yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's not a boss for twenty nine. That's a different. This is he's basically driving the Mustang that Mary Tyler Moore. Drove in the beginning of the Mary Tyler Moore show you show, the beginning of the Mary Tyler Moore show. I'll show the Mustang. John wick was driving. Stupid hers is better. What else that thing have on it like some rims and a Hershey after knob? Yeah, it has a new driveshaft correspond. The radiator of I don't know. Guys in cars like it's like when people talk about the bullet Mustang with, oh, man. It was bad ass, man. That's, that's a piece of shit at recess that cars fucking piece of shit. Who cares about the bullet must I could beat the new things. Better. Anyone you could do a bullet Mustang recreation for no fucking money, and no purpose. No, anything no fanfare, no anything. That's what I don't get cargo is. You know what I think it is? I think I think here's what I think people do. I think people think car guys do what hipsters do with Radiohead lead hipster goes, I'm listening lottery. Oh head, and then all the other fuck and bovine head nods, go. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No radiohead. No. Yeah. Think I'm cool. Yeah, I don't listen to right ahead. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Car guys are insecure because a lot of car guys, don't know anything about cars, so then lead brings up. Bullet Mustang and then all the flock of buffoons go. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's bad. That's bad ass at bat, right? Because it's the famous car. The famous movie pieces shit now it was a bigger piece of shit. Now it was a piece of shit. Then it was a cool movie like a cool driving scene, and all that stuff. But the car piece of shit, right? Okay. All right. Would you want? Would you want that car? I mean, if you got it sell it the next day, but you wanna drive that car, look at that car, not if it doesn't have air. Would you wanna race that car? It's not race car by you. Wouldn't wanna race it, you wouldn't wanna drive would you want? Would you want to take the Steve McQueen bullet, Mustang and drive it in a spirited fashion on Mulholland Drive now that's the Panthers. No, because it's got a live rear axle and drum brakes, and legal nineteen bullet over not dead car. That's a piece of shit. Okay. So it's a four million dollar car. And he said to me, would you like to drive it go? No. Because it's a piece of shit. Yeah. Okay. I'm mostly mad at my dad 'cause the guy owns the cars. Dad bought it like in the recycler for like three grand. Yeah. Just hit it. And now the dads died, and now it's also it's like I don't know, eleven million dollars or something whatever it's in. I think our for are they estimate. Or maybe more who knows? You know what it's worth what someone will pay for it? That's what and then who all the guys that are like, we gotta find the poll it Mustang. Like why? Why it's a piece of shit Mustang from the seventies, right? What do you need to find it for, I don't know may not seen puke. Green Mustang before with with headers and a four barrel. Holly, does that exotic to you, do you know how much you're irritating. Bo. Bachman right now. Shit. It's shit Mustang. They put some gears in it. Yeah. They probably beefed up the leaf springs and shocks. Yeah. They probably put some headers Cam four barrel. And, and. I don't can't even put a sway bar in a car like that. But that's the car now. When the movie came out, like what's a cool, muscle car that we have available to I get it piece of shit now. Right. Right. I get it right. Let me take nice about gyco. Everybody's got to do list drop off your dry, cleaning pick-up some milk. And now you can add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance to that list. And you don't have to drop off or pick up anything. Just go to Geico dot com and in fifteen minutes, you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance. So if you want some extra money in your pocket, this is the most rewarding to do you can do today. Be sure to check out geiko dot com. All right. You've got the one talk about Tracy Morgan is guy. Yeah. Did you hear about this? This is what's bugging me about the story is not run or something. He got a used Varun. Okay. I mean I don't like the Veira. Yeah. Right there on superior shit this here. Can you wanna drive? Came out. It was cool but. Got blackjack headers on there. Yeah. Craig survey, Ron, I never liked the look of the mayor runs. It's kind of egg-shaped, but I think this shy whatever it is that Rohner something Toronto is a much better car. But what's cool about the Bhairon is, when you start taking the body pieces all offer it super high tech underneath which piece the super cool, it's because of all the coolers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When we took your, your seventy nine the two eighties X, twin turbo v eight car, and we put it in the video game. We, they took the body off and photographed everything and it's just cooler lines. You wanna drive? Custer custom blackjack headers feed the term. That car looks like a spaceship, total spaceship. So this Tracy Morgan. The car gets damaged. I'm gonna say that what bugs me is every headline is Tracy Morgan crashes. Two million dollar supercar right after leaves the dealership. Right. It sounds like he's an idiot. He doesn't know what to do. He's over his head and this car. But that's not what happened. That's just the headlines it is. He took it out. He was driving it. Somebody was like gawking at him or something. It's side. Swiped. Him hit him. Right. Right. But here we are with the headlines, going, Tracy Morgan Rex's car. I'm like, come on. I know we're all what are we doing now? It's just talk about click bait. I mean, it's and they're like, oh, and it's it's it's within three days of the anniversary of his accident. And I was like. It's like it's, it's, it's fine sides a little Fender bender and I on his cars can be super expensive. If you just have gyco, let me, let me tell you. Let me tell you where I'm at now. Where I'm at now is I realize everything is such clicked bait. And all the stories are so weird lopsided and stuff that as a car guy with a computer who's a friend of Tracy Morgan's I didn't bother looking because I knew was zero. I I've seen expensive cars with scoffs on the quarter pan. Yeah. I'm moving on. Yeah. And it's, it's insane. Our storytelling. And the news is insane, because I've just reading this article, and it was like Trump goes to England. Trump goes to London and insults, the mare, and it's like, okay that's the story on CNN except for they left out the part where the mayor of London called him a big orange juice bag four he came to London, so probably not great journalists. Right. I'm reading a story that just sounds like Trump role than to town and. Demand. Screw you get back on the plane, the mayor insulted him, and then he went back and fired back. But that's not really Trump fires back at that would be more hair depiction of it, and you should also include what the mayor said about him, not just the second part of the argument. So it's basically. If I were standing with max Pata and max in the, in the kitchen at, and max paddock, kicked me in the ship. And I said, hey, and I kicked him back in the shin. Yeah. If you're CNN you can't write a can't write ahead. Corolla kicks employees in the shin. Although, accurate, technically you're not doing a good journalistic job. I would argue that I'd be submitting to. Yeah. That's, that's the way it goes. That's the way it goes. Also, the only part of the store, I like is that he was hit by Honda CR v which is the car for people who wish they didn't have to drive a car. Yes eighties. The eight is my number one car for people this go. I don't wanna car. I wish there was some goddamn public transportation, I could take everywhere all the time. But if I must own a car, I will get a Honda CR V, especially the earlier front wheel drive. Only one see that huge daylight coming through the rear suspension, where the pumpkin would be like, where's the rest of it? Let me ask you a question. Yeah. You've gotta make one mole in run. Nineteen Eighty-eight bone stock Honda CR V my stepmother drove bay Brown and Brown x-terry with a beige cloth interior. Yeah. Front wheel drive. Yeah. Or the original bullet Mustang. Oh, you'd have to think about pause for me to see every works in the air is on the volt Mustang roll down the windows why. That car piece of shit. I'd go with the Mustang you just to say it, but scared I'd go slow. How is there a minimum our? That's a question. If you can't below the cantaloupe go below fifty or explodes max Pat Eddie Griffin there was. There was some. Eddie Griffin ends up for our crash. Remember this one? Yes, you do. Remember this one? Yes. All right. So there was some controversy a few years ago, because the had some movie come out. So what happened is fast and furious franchise started really getting momentum. So all the other people went back and went, like, we gotta come out with Redline or maximum RPM. Some kind of weird har- thing we gotta get in on this like let's go to Eddie Griffin. Griffin. Yeah. Eight didn't crash his ends. I don't know what the story says crashed his ends up, no. No. The guy that like one of the producers that right? Pretty much bankrolled that film, like put all of his cars in there and the story that was may may have been red line, or I think it was red line. And the story was like he destroys his real like McLaren S are, and, you know, in the film, and he's like, yeah, it's the price of doing filmmaking. But then. Enzo crashes and people are like, oh that he was at Irwindale the core. He locked up. He locked up the brakes. And the point is I first off. That's a real car crash. Secondly, people were like, is this a publicity stunt to try to draw publicity like now? That's a guy crashing a car, that's a guy you lock up the front, brakes, you turn the wheel, but unfortunately you've locked up the front brakes. Yeah. So you have a choice. You're either breaks can work before you hit a barrier. Or you can let go the brakes in turn Kearns finit, but Eddie is not that experience, and he locked up the front brakes and turning the wheel while the front brakes were locked up. And he went hard into a cement barrier. That was not a publicity publicist on definitely one of the cars that the owner and the producer movie did not want to crack. Right. He says, I was coming around the track and came into a tight turn, and I hit a cone and the cone got caught underneath the tire. So the tire locked up and I slammed into the wall now that's not what has happened. Whatever that's not what Levi, hit a cone. He did a hit a wall, and he knocked over cone. Can I tell you, there's so much auto crossing going on in this country that if a cone did that locks up? That's higher. Never be cones on any think about it. How does it cone lock? The cone could go through it could cycle through and then be spit out. Yeah, it could get a look your guy around and I had a Royal purple sign. I had a three foot by nine foot Royal plastic Royal purple signed that I dragged all the way across track at gonna say and independ- lane, and I could drive the car fine. Make some noise and someone's yelling at you with a flag, but other than that it's fine corn. That thing couldn't spit out the back of my car and spot. Weld underneath my call it melted to my we haven't hanging. Right. There's no way that cone locked up. We'll let me see it. One more time, Pat. You see him hit the cone. But both we'll what you can't see the drivers can't see the driver's side wheel, but that you see the passenger side, wheel front wheel locked up. There's no cone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like a good story. Hit a cone cone locked up the wheel. All right as you hit the cone. How we hit the cone, the cone, flew three in front of them. Go underneath the car. How accurate portrayal of knocked up front? Would that be? We literally have video footage of that not happening. I was just quoting detailed the news. And of course, the news was like, yeah, that's what happened. I'm sure that's what happened because no one's going to check the footage. He should never work for the. Eight is the ATF the transplant in other guys who like reconstruct, the airline commercial airlines. Yeah, that's ATF now. That's hall tobacco and firearms. Right. This is the Arunachal to transportation. I don't know what is what is the reconstruction of. It is like an AT something with the f-. It's a f- eight. It's I don't know, the guy should do the reconstruction of the commercial airline flights. They get all the pieces that get a hangar, and they reconstruct all. Plains all he says, and they put it back together like you're digging up dinosaur bones and putting them up in a museum. Eddie Griffin would not be good at that job. No. Why did this Airbus three eighty crash pilot Zita sandwich? Oh. Drop to BUSTER on his lap. Went down. Yeah down he hit a cone cone. All right. Got what do you do? I got the next reader you got. You got j b well, yeah. What eight ATP? Hey Pete, dammit. AT. CTB ATP. I don't know who, who investigates, commercial airline crashes. AT ATP AT. There you go. What does it stand for? Right. Click away from that aviation Ono this sorry, this is the wrong part, if you stay TB I think it's an issue. I don't know whatever I said, sort of change for bureau air transport makes sense. So out a alcohol tobacco ATF, and they do in this day TB. Yeah. Okay. It's a little nuts, but not pretty close. It's all government stuff all gonna love acronyms. I'll tell you what I love I love j. It's not an acronym. 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Auto what autobiography. Really? Yeah. It's the super fancy version two hundred eighty one thousand dollar range over. And this one so far is doing well, I drove the Range Rover sport plug in hybrid and had so many problems with the electron IX, the infotainment system. Everything was crashing. This one is spot on, I was getting a seat massage on the way here they have different versions of it. There's like combo and there's like wave. And then there's hot stone is the stones the name of the seat massage. Wow. And it warms the seat it gives you on the way here we should do the podcast from in the vehicle because I feel like hundred hundred and eighty one K has to be the most expensive Range Rover. I, I think there's a long wheel. Base version, L push two hundred Jesus. It's beautiful. Donovan quilt stitching. Yeah. Back, everyone who could have Wait a minute. One day, we'll be right up the Haggerty. Article where you mentioned, I haven't stitching said, this is the thing when I was yelling about diamond stitching twelve years ago. Yeah. Fifteen years ago when I was yelling about time and stitching and don't ask, don't take my word for it. I took a Lamborghini, tore out here and put it diamond stitching interior, that was thirteen years ago when I was. Yep. Ing about diamond stitching, the only vehicles that came with diamond stitching were, like a Ferrari five seventy five or Ferrari, five fifty Marinella. That was about it. Maybe a couple Ferrari offerings, but a Ferrari, v twelve five seventy five probably when I was yapping about timing out itching in two thousand three and two thousand four came with it. Maybe Bentley maybe Bentley maybe no other vehicles had now every vehicle everyday has diamond stitching. Because it's cool. It's cool, and it's genius. It completely changes the interior and car companies are doing, what have always said, which is if it doesn't really cost anymore money like there many things in the production of an automobile, if you wanna make McLaren f one and nineteen Ninety-three, you can't just say Honda just replicate it just not get off because we can't carbon-fiber tub, but things like diamond stitching and certain shapes on the exterior and certain shapes on the interior. I've been yelling about this, my whole life, just rip off what the expensive guys are doing your Honda, or whatever, I always used to get mad at like, Pontiac Chevy Ford to a lesser degree. I'd go look and eight VW Jeddah has a perfectly. Nice interior, like bolsters on the scenes and cloth inserts, nice looking dash just go do that. Would you please just rip them off what they're doing? And now everyone. Is just doing like Hondas just going fuck it. We're just gonna make an Audi a seven. Yeah. We'll just knocked twenty five grand off the Genesis. We'll be the same shape. Same interior diamond the diamond if Bentley's doing diamonds quilt thing, then we'll do diamond quilting, if. Yeah. I think it's fantastic. And now you can get it pretty much everywhere. And it looks great. And it's fantastic in the Range Rover. And the other car we spent some time in the in the McLaren seven twenty s spider. We got into it on the show earlier this week, had Brad Fanshawe, call in while LA well Goldberg on his way to Saudi Arabia to fight the undertaker. I don't even believe Saudi Arabia's real about the undertake. Although it's, it's, it's a battle, it's a battle for her. So he's going to go out there and get paycheck, come back by some more dodge, challengers. But Brad, and I got we met up at the Ritz Carlton, Laguna gal. And we did some photo shooting down there. And I gotta tell you like the seven twenty has gotta be. 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Water Cooler: Frozen II, Ford v Ferrari, Survivor, The Crown, 21 Bridges, Klaus, Marriage Story, The Irishman, Uncut Gems & More

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Water Cooler: Frozen II, Ford v Ferrari, Survivor, The Crown, 21 Bridges, Klaus, Marriage Story, The Irishman, Uncut Gems & More

"Hello everyone welcome slash daily for Thursday November twenty first two thousand nineteen on today's episode. Were and talk about what we've been up to. At the water cooler the slash from editor in chief Peter Surata joining me as Pica Slash Managing Editor Tikka Pau L. O.. Hulu we editor Brad Omen. Lets me senior senior editor Ben Pearson going on and writer Chris Evangelista. Hello folks that noise. That was me. I'm so used just a waiting for H.. T. coming before me but then I remembered she's not here so I had to quickly rush back practicing. You're Hannibal impression of air rushing back into the room is I've known the Boyd. Well that's a good transition because ht is away. She's on vacation. He'll be back in a couple of weeks so we miss sir but We can we can do it without it right. We can have on our own. We're trying very hard okay. let's start. Start off with what we've been doing it by the way. I probably have very little to say today's episode. So I'm going to but I because I did very little this week but I did decide to finally create my own twitter account. I now have at Peter Saretta so if you wanNA fallen follow me on there you can I I was in the really weird in position to I started when I started slash foam when twitter. I you know twitter came about like a couple years after I started slash on I was the only writer later on the site and Slowly the first six years there was some other writers site but I would say ninety eight percent of the writing on the site with me so the twitter account was my personal quitter in the website. Twitter Account In recent years obviously I would say I I do I. You know I am very much not a big writer on the site Oh the bulk of the work goes to you guys in also our freelancers. There's And I've also found it hard to the site. We've increased our news coverage we have with so much it's news on the site now. So it's hard for to put personal tweets out there or even personal observations of movies and TV because every half an hour. There's a news news tweet being put onto the feed and also you know. I started this Youtube Channel Ordinary Adventures and a lot of those people are looking looking to follow me on social media. But don't want all this movie news so I thought it was finally time to create a twitter account. which is something? I should've done done a long time ago. I will say that Self selfishly is hard of giving up this this twitter account that has has almost two hundred thousand followers to start over from scratch. which is you know interesting in? Its own I will say that You know we started the slash on twitter twitter account in the early days of twitter. You know have almost two hundred thousand followers but I think probably at this point out say more than half those people full. Don't probably don't even use twitter anymore because it's been almost fifteen years right like actually when I was transferring over to my new twitter account and following all the people it followed on at slash film. I was actually saddened at how many people always following that are now dead. You know I I I did not weed them out over the years and it was. It was what. What is your people that are dead following? I oh I'm trying to think of examples of this but Originally Steve Jobs just like people that you knew. No well. No no no no. Well I mean some people I knew but like people like Stanley and you know celebrity. You know big figures that have died over the years but it was just interesting. I didn't even know I was still following among those people on my old twitter. I thought you were talking about like people you knew it was like someone like targeting your twitter followers look out. There's a killer on the loose. Starting Peter's followers. Yeah it's actually not a terrible pitch. Chris I think you should write this treatment no Monday. Thank the twitter killer. It's going to be the next series on Qube no so I have started this new twitter account. I'm doing a lot more personal observations which I In recent years has been like kept to our our slack for good or bad Out I feel like I. I've shut up a lot online a slash on twitter account so now I'm talking a lot about galaxy edge and Mendel worrying and movies and TV. TV Disneyland so if you WanNa follow me you can follow me at slash from. But that's the whole story on that at Peter Sorretto. Oh what did you say at slash photo. My God this is this is just like yeah. It's a life change I. It's it's hard to move on after you know having something for thirteen years. Here's or you can say what other things that's a big benefit. Here is the sheer number of times. Where written article from our freelancer or one of us that was different opinion than yours? And somebody who assumes everything on your twitter feed all Europeans. They get really mad at us. 'cause like why did you change your opinion writer so I'm glad that confusion once and for all. Yeah now that was a common problem. People would always bring up to me and arguments and stuff on twitter and social media doing but you. You like this movie and I was like no I did this movie. Yeah so anyways ended the confusion Foamy at Peter Saretta and that That ends era so anyways I also this weekend I went to Disneyland because Disneyland a lot and I filmed filmed the video with Kibera on holiday. Tips and tricks Disneyland. Hoity Christmas secrets that you might know about the first part of the video. There's is a two part. Video series is up on the ordinary adventures twitter Youtube Channel and I'll put a link to that in the show notes but I recommend it it I also I think last week we were talking about When is it when is early enough to put up your Christmas tree and This last week was late for me I did. We erected our Christmas tree and our dray tree and we also did a video on that because people love Christmas and love seeing all the like star wars ornaments that we have. And so you want to see that Click over there. I know I know Brad Brad you do like a day okay we instagram photo of your ornaments right. The starting December idea thing where I it's called br advent calendar for my friends and then I did you Anderton and advent calendar on twitter through the Ethan Anderton twitter account. And so I just I pick a new ornament that I have that I haven't posted about for each day in December. So at some point I feel like that's going to get more difficult because otherwise I'll have too many ornaments from my tree or I'll have to a second tree and then it'll just be insane gene. I'm already in that that World Brad but I I was inspired by your dream post to make this video and now people can can see. Kitchen is a Christmas Christmas tree and the tree and he all our favorite ornaments. So I'll put a link to that also in the show notes. Chris what have you been up to I usually. They don't contribute to the what we're doing column because I'm usually doing nothing but I figured I would I would jump in this week just because I did something and that is i. Adopted did a Turkey from farm sanctuary to be clear. It doesn't mean the Turkeys like coming to my house and living there it's basically like fostering. Ah a Turkey at this sanctuary up in upstate. New York and I tried to do this every Thanksgiving because I'm a vegetarian and I have a soft spot for animals and this is my way of contributing to Thanksgiving. Because I don't I don't eat Turkey so I give money to this farm. I'm so they can keep these turkeys alive and from becoming food and her name is Elsa the Turkey thank you everyone wait wait did you get to name the Turkey or no they give you an option to do picked various turkeys. They already have names. I didn't I did not get to pick the Turkeys name was going. It's a like number one frozen fan that we didn't know Chris. Do they check in with you like send you updates on the Turkey like throughout the year or something or is it just around Thanksgiving in. That's it it's like every once in a while I'll get an email. It's not like a constant it's not like a weekly thing. Here's what you're up to right. Yeah so so I try to do it every year around this time just to you know do this one nice thing I do. It's so one thing I put out into into the world is this. I pay money for Turkeys to live Chris Making me feel terrible guilt trip. Anyone you know my wife still elites Turkey around Thanksgiving. I don't like you know stare at her like judgmental I understand some people. They don't WanNa give meet. They're fine with eating meat and that's fine. I don't I'm not one of those like crazy. Vegetarians who was like. How dare you eat meat but for me this makes me feel better? It's a thing I can do. It's the least I can do what I do. We'll just wait until you find out Some of these Turkeys falling on your twitter feed her dead so Brad. What have you been up to So last weekend my girlfriend Chicago to do a double feature and get some food And I guess I I was really mad with one person at one of my Movie screenings because they would not shut up Seriously one of the worst people I've ever encountered because this guy who was drunk was responding to almost every scene that was what's happening in the movie like every line who's going like Yup. Oh yeah you know. And like there was one time when he was even seeing Christmas and he goes well Merry Christmas. And it's just just this drunk for just drunk Essel who wouldn't shut up me and several other people to tell them to be quiet three different times and every time we did he was surprised just like he forgot people were around or and that he was a jerk. I just like the and made me want them to never serve alcohol in theaters. And I know that's upsetting. Some people could. Could you WANNA cut loose when you go out. But Hey don't be an asshole. Don't come to a movie drunk especially if it's a movie that's long and I have to endure your stupid ass for for several hours. Just shut up when you go to the movie theater. Okay so don't get drunk in the movie theater with Brad. Brad have you ever. Have you ever got and drunkenly theater. No because I'm not an astle were going to say I wasn't gonNA say anything. I was on Mute But I will. I've been drunk in movie theater about five or six times. Let me let me rephrase it's okay to be drunk movie theater but but I'm sure Jacob you're not allowed jerk about it. Oh no I'm allowed jerk jerk afterwards see there you go okay. Let's Jacob have you ever had because as you live you've lived for many years with Alamo draft house which is has draft in its name. Have you ever had this problem in your neck of the woods In in my over a decade on the draft House Austin. I've seen two people who were drunk enough. They will not be quiet. Thrown out I think this is pretty good. People who were who maybe with drink. We're told the you know. Be Quiet by manager but they always did maybe twice. I've seen people had to actually be removing beater. Ben How about you so I basically wanted to turn this into a referendum on what is and is not acceptable in movie theaters. Because I saw that Brad wrote this on our Documenta of something that he wanted to talk about. And I actually have four instances that I want to bring up over the past week or two where Maybe a little bit longer. But I I've been sort of Banking these to talk about in one big burst on the podcast feels like the perfect place to do it. So I've experienced some really really ludicrous. This behavior by audience members theories recently so I went to see frozen to recently at the El Capitan Theater which is owned by Disney. It's like a family theater. There was a guy I sending directly in front of my wife and I who had his computer outlook a full open laptop thankfully by the time. I'm the movie began. The laptop was put away but leading up to the movie he had his movie. He got his entire laptop open and he created gated like a tent for himself. With like this huge Like a raincoat like a Poncho thing that he was wearing so he would hide the laptop on his lap and and then like basically like encase himself in this in this Poncho set up where he was like typing stuff and and doing God knows what on his computer. I actually happened to look over his shoulder right before and saw that he was trying to get tickets for COMECON next year so he was like I like playing this game of chicken with whether the movie was going to start first or whether he was going to be able to get into the waiting room and actually get his tickets. I and the the people the families that were sitting next to him were so concerned because they did not see that he was doing that and they I'm sure thought the absolute worst of this guy like what the hell is this guy I doing. And so then he called trying to get comecon passes but like it's one of those things where like you see this. He has no intention of or no there's no sign of putting away as the music is playing at L. Catholic Leading into the movie essentially. So it's like. Is this going to be a problem. Is this guy going to be like you know ducking under and having a full brightness on a laptop the whole time so that was just an absurd situation eventually security came over and told the guy to put his computer away and I. I don't know whether he got his tickets or not. But good luck to that guy. I guess and then this lady in the front row of theater that I went to recently decided to get out of her seat seat and just sit on the floor and lean back and use the theater. Use the the seat cushion as a head cushion. I've never seen anyone do that before. And so she was like her full body. She was laid out on the floor like extended toward the screen. And I was just put. This is not your living. They just sit in a seat like a normal person. For God's sake added to be fair. Those seats El Capitan are really uncomfortable. This was not L. Cabin a different screening room I'm by the way just trying to take the absurd devils. Well I I. Speaking of drunk is there was a drunk guy at a Q.. And A. of honey boy where Shiloh buffalo we were actually in the front row for that screen to and this guy who was sitting next. Listen before the movie started. He's like so like what are you guys. Know about Shiloh. Buff like big fan and we're like whatever my wife's like I used to watch even Stevens when I was growing up up and he's like yeah. I don't really know much about him. I I watched the transformers movies in the Nice saw that he was in NYMPHOMANIAC. Does like I see you player. Play on all right. Cool whoa cool. Yeah and we're like all right and then so like this guy. Basically admits that he seen what four Shiloh buff movies total and so he's drunk throughout this whole. Oh thank thankfully. He was quiet during the actual movie but during the Cuban a he sitting you know ten feet away from Shiloh buff. WHO's right in front of us doing this this Q.? And A. Session and and he's just like talking to him openly as the QNA's going on he's like we love you brother. Yeah Yeah like just like interjecting and it's just like men. QNA's should just be banished but I mean yeah I guess piggybacking off what Brad said. Just don't be trunk asshole in the theater come on and then finally there's just take drunk out of there. Just don't be an asshole in theater. Yes yeah absolutely and then finally really quickly there is somebody that my wife and I have referred to as the sniff Bro. Who I don't know if he has a cocaine problem or what but there was somebody in our screening of God that in the the good liar? the Kellyn movie where this person was doing loud sniff multiple times a minute and I looked over to make sure that they weren't actively doing cocaine in the theater and they were not. I think this person was just sick. But if you're so sick that's your loudly sniffing literally multiple times a minute and you're sitting in a theater where there's not that many people and everyone in there can hear you sniffing. Maybe just take a sick day and don't go to that screening so all of this boils down to like think about the other people who you may be affecting with your actions and and Just try not to be an astle. Basically yeah the the worst is when someone is doing that sniffing thing when they're trying not to sneeze and if they had just sneezed knees bother everybody. Oh Yeah I mean there. I won't mention who but there is a journalist in in the journalism community who has a laptop it impressed Greenie. He puts the laptop in his in his bag and he has a keyboard aboard on his lap and he puts a puts his coat over his keyboard. He touch types his notes during the movie. And and you can kind of hear it it it it is that bad. Yes Oh my call the police. Yeah you can't do that man like I'm sorry you know you can write things down with the notebook and a pen like a normal person but if you're clicking away during a movie no I I don't think so I remember reading a profile Roger Ebert back in the day or described. How how are we going to go to east? You have a big stack of paper or a notepad are you. Would Scroll his notes during the movie tear paper off and throw it to the side at Eh movie. His wife. Recollect all those papers for on the ground and they'd leave thinking like if even Roger Ebert too bad movie goer. What's going on here? I think that might have been earlier in this curve. Because I know when before slash on my I worked as a volunteer at Sundance Film Festival and I know one year I think maybe two thousand four for two thousand five. He lost his notes in a In a screening and buy at that point he had this whole all system he had this like I don't know if it's notebook one of those leather things unzips. It's like a portfolio. I Dunno whatever it is on one side. He would have like like index cards and on the other side pocket. So He'd taken index card out right in note and then put into the pocket another side And that was a system at at least in the last like ten years of his life But Yeah I'm or maybe maybe that was just a system at Sundance because You know his wife couldn't wouldn't be there to pick up all the notes but he lost it in one of my friends actually found it and was able to return it to evert so that was a fun story back in the day Okay let's move on to what we've been reading. Ben Is the only one rating this week. What'd you read? I read the art of game of thrones which is the final game of thrones owns book in this series that I was sent from inside edition and I loved this book. This one was really really great. I was slightly disappointed with the photography book. But this one one sorta gave me everything that Dr Facebook did not it it has. It's basically just full of concept art in a few of concept art and you liked game of thrones even up up until you know even if you didn't like the last season there's so much to love in this book Jacob. I thought of you a lot when I was reading this. I think this you should definitely add this to like your Christmas list or something thing because there's so much cool stuff in here. This book is so nice. It's it's really heavy in huge and it's like a perfect coffee table book. There's also really interesting stuff in there too. Who about it's not just concept? It's like a plans and blueprints and stuff for how they built the stages and the the sets and They talk about you. You know this area where surtees bedroom was was built in the paint hall. This big this big Spot where they built ships in Northern Ireland leaned back in the day like where the titanic was constructed so surface bedroom scene was in this big sound stage and then they redressed that to turn it into like the hand of the king's chambers and stuff like little details like that. I'd never read from all of my game of thrones fandom obsessively reading basically everything I could about it. This book still taught me some stuff about like how the actual production team went about making the show so all of that is mixed in with You know the the sort of the the main course of all of this incredible Concept Art so the book is called. The Art of game of thrones in its out right now and I would definitely recommend checking out. If you'RE A fan. I know some of those. Other game of thrones books. You're disappointed or mixed with it. Sounds like you like this one The bats. I think it's between this one and the costumes one for me because because the costumes won't also it just gave me a whole new appreciation for the level of detail that went into the show that the costume stuff. It's like you can barely catch some of those details on camera because because they're so far away but you get so many close ups into the work that Michelle Clapton and her team did there and how all of the decisions that she made basically like the further the characters stories or went into their head space in was made with materials that those characters would theoretically have access to in those parts of the world world and all that stuff so You know if you're into like that level of detail I think the costume one is really great but just You know from a sheer like beauty. Perspective the art of game of thrones is really awesome onto very cool okay. Let's move on to what we've been watching this weekend. Ben and I both got to see frozen to at the Almeida screening at the El Capitan Theater. You're just mentioned previously in this. PODCAST I actually. You know I'm GonNa throw it to Ben I. What did you think of the movie? I really really loved the the first frozen and I didn't like this one quite as much. I still think it's worth watching but I thought thematically sort of dropped the ball a little bit at the end of the movie. It seemed to be making some pretty big statements and setting itself up for a pretty Subversive and maybe even like a controversial shoul kind of ending and then it it's sort of It zigzagged when I thought it should've zagged and I came away with a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth because I didn't I think quite stuck the landing and maybe we can talk about that a little bit more in detail like once. The movie comes out but You know it's a beautiful movie in terms of animation and all that that stuff and the voice work is tremendous I think Kristin delegates a real Even more of a chance to shine here as `Anna than she did in the first movie she has a lot to do in this film but yeah ultimately I kind of mixed on it. What did you think Peter? I also was a big fan of frozen one. I know a lot of people breath wayne done that previous years. You know the let it go everywhere but I I think I liked this lesson. You the band. Actually I thought you were GonNa make more more than that but I do think I just like this more I don't think you know what it feels very much to me. Me Like Toy Story. Four feels unnecessary and even the story that they come up with that kind of they try to find a back asks words reason to have. It feels like it's not necessary infield kind of like oh We're GONNA add some stuff to the you. Know the deep backstory of these characters. So that they now have this thing at the end you know you want to get to and I don't know it just doesn't work for me. The music is not nearly as good as I am one There is one musical sequence which is brilliant. But even that to me. It felt weird because I don't want to spoil anything for anybody but it feels more contemporary. Then the the rest of the movie. You're talking about. Yeah you'll so you'll know what I'm talking about when you see it. I will say this Olaf who I was kind of annoyed by in the first frozen I love I fell in love with and in this He's much more introspective. It's such an interesting way to go with that character. The end of this movie. We're we're probably GONNA have to have a discussion at some some point. The end of this movie leaves the characters off in a place. That's very problematic And Yeah so I think there's probably it'd be lots of Editorials oriels written about and I. I'm surprised that Disney didn't foresee that but Yeah we're worth see Prefers into into and so I guess we're both saying maybe go see it. Yeah I think so. Maybe we go see if he really liked the first one. I think. Just set your expectations a little bit low. And maybe I'll still have a decent time. It's for Thanksgiving movie with your family. It's probably fine but You know if you're hoping for something Tremendous yet. It's not like that for me. It's definitely not a bad movie and I will say this. It is beautiful like the animation and the Like all the locations and I it just looks so beautiful like Yeah anyways okay moving on let's move onto Ford Verse Ferrari checkup you saw so yeah fortress. Furry it's really good James Mangold who did a walk. The line and Logan And he just wanted to consummate filmmakers who shows up because the story says how I told the story the best suited the best way he can. There was a movie that may not have the highest ambition from the outset but ends up being sort of old fashioned entertainment that kind of like lingers like movies. He's made that. Maybe I didn't love at the time Out of if I see him on. TV I watched them and see my streaming. Oh I'll watch if you mentioned back in those guys who as old fashioned vibe but I was still making were. We're just about story I character. I delivering that I and Ford versus Ferrari really continues That style filmmaking. And everything about here here is always simple Hollywood pleasures. It's you know movie stars. You like looking really cool and racing gear It's fast fast. Cool cars going right toward the camera. it is funny. It is Intensive dramatic romantic. It's just everything you want out like a four adults you know into and a half hour racing drama. It really delivers his audience film. And in an era where we everybody's you know pondering about you know what's the future of this kind of movie uvi where everything's Superhero blockbuster epic this movie. Existing gives me hope that you know Disney's Fox can do as a studio and they let them continue making movies like this because it's not going to end the year by guarantee you if former safari comes on. Hbo You know two years from now. I will sit down and watch it again. I'll do that again the year after year after because it's just two and a half hours of things working in clicking and moving at a pace that is just a chef's kiss I really like forwards Brad. You saw too. Yeah I did Enjoyed it quite as much as you. But it it's a very entertaining movie for sure Matt Damon and Christian Bale are outstanding. And I love the dynamic between These two friends who you know are are you with each other and are are kind of at odds but you know still respect each other at the end of the day Josh Lucas is great. As you know this smarmy for executive keeps keeps trying to derail the the The plans that belan demons characters have because he doesn't know any better Tracy Letts as great as Henry Ford the second as well I always love seeing him in supporting roles like this he just brings so much so much weight to every rolling place. He's one of the best character actors working today I think the first half of the movie is a little bit. Neat needs some work as far as pacing is concerned because it drag a little bit to me but the second half Moves at such. Ah Great Pace and it's so exciting that it didn't really take away from the overall Movie from me but I feel like some some fat could have been trimmed Here and there but overall it was very enjoyable. Gioia blanchard covers no surprise that my dad loved it. As many DADS will mentioned total bad movie. I forgot to mention when I was talking about about this At our last week or the week before it's also a movie about the act of making movies It's one of those. Where like Matt Damon and Kirsten Bales Characters are on this quest for perfection? And I really felt like James Mangled was making the statement about You know getting little creative winds here and there within like while while working within the Hollywood studio system so I forgot to mention that before but I think if you if you're interested in this movie and you look at it especially through that Lens it may be adds a different layer to it too so you have been completely right here. I mean the movie is about two guys building cars in trying to build. You know the best possible car is to WHO achieve they need but ordeal in concert. Corporate meddling from people think they know how to build better cars and Mangold is getting and you know. He's been studio player for most of his career. It's fascinating of all the guys who make this movie. He's the guy who knows what's like to work within that system and still deliver me. He made Logan for God's sake you you know his his triumph despite being you know Released by major studio and being an excellent movie Real quickly and ask everybody this because I know Christian. Bale is seeing a lot of pretension here. Oscar tension because the unearthing Christian Bale this loose in fund a longtime. He so often he's about you know playing characters you are so deadly serious area squire him like do physical transformations here. He's just being a really charming movie. Star which Christian Bale doing a long time. I think Matt Damon is. I don't know maybe because I'm from Texas Matt. Damon is doing the Texas man so well here His generation became the grandfather's. I'll new. Oh and I've met so many old Texas men who Matt Damon's nailing mannerisms of. I think they're both really spectacular. I WanNa hear quickly What do you that'd be performances? Because that is my favorite Matt Damon Hear Christian Bale and quite some time. What do you think Brad? Yeah I wasn't quite as Spitting I guess so Matt Damon Cigarette. Because I didn't feel like there was I don't know much reigned in his performance. He speech pretty level the whole way through whereas Christian Bale I think has has ups and downs downs and then maybe just because his character's journey is a little bit more complex than Matt. Damon's you you get a taste of Damon's character in the opening moments but after for that. He's pretty much on the straightaway the entire time so I think maybe that's why I like Christian Bale's more but you know Matt Matt Damon still very good for sure. Yeah I think this is the kind of movie The could just be Kinda dud with the wrong people in it and I think these are the perfect people for it and they they bring such an ease to their performances. It says that That works really really well in the high pressure situations that that are all throughout this movie. So Yeah I'm right there with you Jacob. I really liked both working this one. I know you were talking about the the movie analogy here and I'm wondering because I have heard some people online talking about the some criticized criticized it for kind of like it's about like you know who can spend more money to solve the problem like is there something there with the Hollywood system as well I I think that doesn't carry a lot of the actual narrative of the movie doesn't I I think if you want to compare it to modern day racing. The academics Marnie racing is who who has the most mind to build billy better car but so much of this movie's dedicated to How that money is used in the creative process of utilizing the funds giving them by corporation? I I have a hard time looking at that as a negative thing. It was about artists Trying to protect their art as opposed to people being given enough money to win automatically. Okay I still need it okay. What I've been watching I've been watching the main the Laurean You can hear all about that on the Friday podcasts. That I've done with Brad so check those out And I've also checked out the first two episodes of encore Disney boss. I know Brad talked about this a couple of weeks back back. This is the show produced and hosted by Kristen Bell and it is about about You know like college or high school programs that were like stage programs that they bring the people back like ten twenty years years later to perform that same musical again. The first one is any The second one is actually beauty and the beast which seemed like it might actually have been better. I episode considering this is a Disney streaming service but bell does not appear at the actual production at the end. So I assume that's why they included the one they did. I actually think the second is probably a better episode as a whole and Surprisingly I don't know I didn't expect to like the show and this is this is junk food. Entertainment Reality Television but it is entertaining and is one of the Disney plus original shows as I think I will keep on watching so But I I it does seem like bow like is not a part of the show. She like put her name on it. And you know doesn't intro. Oh I don't know maybe maybe she's very heavily involved in choosing everything that The only other thing I watched this week wise is I've been watching survivor. I know I've talked about this Already on this podcast survivor. island of the idols is the season and and this season has been so good. It's been one of the best survivor seasons so if you're looking to get into survivor I would say you know maybe check this out. I I think it might be on at least on. CBS All access. It might be on blue and The season has been kind of getting into. There's some more social political topics like I mentioned a few weeks back. There was this whole discussion at tribal council about You know the whole idea of an all female alliance and help sexists that is in the last episode there episode before the last There was a whole metoo to thing. Where one contestant she was having problems with a guy contestant touching her in which what she felt was inappropriate ways and she expressed us to some of her team members and they also said that they were having problems? So this is like whole metoo to thing where the producers had shut down the show that talked to everybody. Involved it I don't don't WanNA spoil where it goes but actually goes to very disgusting in that Some of these people were using that for game for their gameplay and it wasn't actually that they had you know thought that his touches were inappropriate. S- so it's very very interesting thing and I would highly recommend checking survivor the season. It's very very good Checkup what have you been watching. One thing I've been watching a Often has been the crown season three which is hitting inflict last week and I've always liked the crowd. I like it or madman structure where each episode is own contains short story. And he's he's he's gotTa build all to like ahead even though each episode stands alone and the big deal this season is that like i. You would follows the reign of Queen Elizabeth Throughout her life in twentieth century but this season recast Claire Foy Coleman to Show showcases the passage of Time Matt Smith. Now now Matt Smith's on the show he's now played by Pretty Phillips now played by Tobias Menzies and everyone has been recast and for the most part. It works really well. I was surprised. By how seamless the transition to the new cast was Leave he calm. That is just she spectacular. She went Oscar For the favorite recently and this is a very different performance that was a very crass comical performances is a very severe withheld performance. And she's just a miracle wonderful to watch and I she makes somebody settled choices that resonate and when she does go big matters ways that that that really linger with you The big issue is that the drama is a bit less intense. I mean by this point in English history The crown mattered. Less monarchy mattered. Less so so much of the season is about The Queen of England and her family trying to make sure that they're not written off and trying to make sure they survive and leads to a lot of conflicts that are very minor like should should Prince Charles be sent to Wales to learn Welsh. If he's going to be named you know Prince of Wales. And that's actually one of the the season But you have to understand and appreciate ashamed at the drama is low key and the show is asking you to you know go along with these conflicts that are so beyond traditional dramatic story telling dramas very quiet. It's very austere But if you like the first season is more of the same in a good way And that's the crown season three on Netflix. Okay Oh actually one. Last thing I wanted to mention I know I was mentioning Disney plus TV shows. And I think the last week or the week before I complained that the avatars that you choose for your user Avatar that Kiro was couldn't pick ray but they had like a stormtrooper the Avatar so a bunch of people wrote in and explained the reason for the the reason is that except for Disney channel shows that they you don't have the license for human faces. So that's why like on a lot of these kind of merchandising things you see kyle in his helmet. You don't see color without his helmet here here. You don't have any of the Star Wars characters that that have you know their helmets off. That's I mean I'm guessing that's why star wars helmets because Disney can get away with with not paying these human you know actors for their businesses. So isn't a any conspiracy you know we know where raise it's just a you know they don't want to pay the money. It's okay Chris. What have you been watching? I saw twenty twenty-one bridges which is the new Chadwick Bozeman movie and it is very forgettable. I saw I think three days ago and I already the forget most of it so twenty-one bridges you can avoid seeing it I promise you you're not missing anything. Do they show all twenty one. Bridges don't like three bridges. That's another thing. I demand even though I didn't pay for the movie. I demanded by money back because they didn't show twenty one. Bridges in the film I also I watched clause on a Netflix has a new animated movie. And you know what does movie is actually pretty good What's what's good about? It is the the animation looks gorgeous. Even though it's computer animation it's styled to look like it's hand-drawn it looks really good and you know. The jokes are are are abusing its. It's surprisingly dark for a family movie. It has like really dark sense of humor. And you know it's not like GonNa blow you away but for are you know an animated holiday film. It was a lot better than I thought it would be. So check that out. That's NAPA streaming. I feel like Netflix. Doesn't get a Lotta gotta love for their animated stuff like not just TV but also their movies like they have a lot of like pretty decent original animated productions. Maybe it's not on the level of Disney Pixar or dreamworks but The pretty like yeah like I would you know I would say this is better than any of those God damn many in movies. They keep releasing like this deserves actual attention and it probably will get. It just went right to Netflix. But I urge you to check it out. You're listening and finally I re watched Copley which is something. I haven't watched a few years just suddenly like came to my mind You know this is. The movie. Came Matt Nineteen ninety-seven and it was like a big deal at the time because Sylvester stallone like gained a bunch of weight and it was like I really like serious role in a very long longtime because he had mostly just stuck with action movies and I remember when it came out. It was like a big deal because they had all these people had. Ray LIOTTA and Robert DeNiro. I and Harvick. I tell you know it was always like Martin Scorsese actors basically and as a kid who grew up on Morrissey. He's talking. I was really excited about that and the movie was so low key. I remember not being sort of like impressed with it at the time but as I've gotten older I've come to really appreciate in this film. It's very very low key and there is a big shootout at the end but other than that. It's it's really just like a character. Drama and stallone is is really good in this movie is probably his best performance outside of maybe like creed I think he's really good in the first creamy but this is it really quiet somber melancholy performance and it. It just feels like This is like a Western crossed with Bruce springsteen song and there's like it's just has that vibe and I really loved it and this is also a James Mangold film so we have to James Mangold films on this show. which is just a coincidence students? That's a coincidence. He didn't revisit this. Because of that movie. No it just suddenly just came to my mind out of nowhere. I say I didn't own it on BLU ray so I I think it was like for sale for like nine bucks on Amazon. I was like yeah. I'm going to buy cop land and I did see Chris back me up here. Jay's mega makes movies decade or more later you you remember go now. It's a good movie and you watch it. That's what James Bengal makes true. Okay one of Chris's favor moves the year Safaris Irishman Brad. You got to see this this weekend. Yes I finally got around to seeing it. It's playing the theater in Chicago and I wanted to make sure I saw it on in the big screen before it hit net flicks and I love this movie. It really. You know it's It's been awhile since I think I've really I don't know hardcore loved loved. A Martin Scorsese movie. I think wolf of Wall Street fantastic and that was definitely one of my favorite movies that year but this movie is odd just just on another level it really is A masterpiece Mr P.. Astana it's easy to throw around that word but this this really is you know a a film that represents Martin Scorsese's you know the the late phase of his career and Jacob talked about this before about how it's really a rumination on his place in Both life you know and and film history I feel you like He. He reflects on what he's done previously especially when it comes to all the mob movies he directed. It's it's so funny to me that thinking back now on the whole stupid. Marvel Martin Unsworth Sese controversy. About how many people were trying to take jabs at Scorsese because all he makes her mobster films and this movie really kind of digs into that reflects on the the significance of those movies and his significance and impact on on cinema and that genre or sub genre. If you will and I feel like it's just it really is this wonderful reflective Film the has a lot to say about where he's at in his life and how he it looks back on the legacy that he lied. He'll leave behind. What else have you been watching this week? Brett marriage story which was playing in thirty five millimeter At the music box theatre which is the closest thing that I have to having something like a new beverly or an Alamo draft or something like that around here And it was pretty cool. Let's see movie On film it's been a while since I've seen a movie that's actually not a digital projection and the movie itself was outstanding I think it's Noah Baumbach Best Film probably and Adam driver and Scarlett Johansson are delivering powerhouse performances. In this movie either. They're so sincere. A. And heartbreaking. And it's it's a tough movie to wash the because of how authentic their their pain fields and I love how Baumbach just like lingers on. It's not he's not just focusing on the the the big drama and uproar that comes when they have these arguments like he lingers on the quiet moments and really. Let's you feel like the pain that's there but then also there's the more tender moments where even in the heart of this terrible bitter divorce you can tell that they're still love between them even though it's not the same love that they may have had when they first met Ns just yeah. It's IT'S A it's a fantastic movie and so That'll be out on Netflix of an In December remember as well but if you have feeders I think it's going to. There's like so many good movies. I have missed this year so far I got to play catch up in the next couple of weeks. Then what have you been watching Peterman. I suggest the next time you're going to Disneyland or whatever go to the movies instead here. Here's the thing though. I now have a youtube channel that we have schedule three videos a week. So it in you allergies so you just always go to Disney for these. We do other stuff like a Friday. We're going to Knott's Berry Farm for their holiday celebration next week. We need to bring the camera camera. Bring the camera into the movie theater. I think aloud legally and ordinary adventure than going to the movies. Ah good point deciding to take on this whole ordinary adventures thing has definitely cut down on my movie watching because it does between going to these things. We spent a whole day and Disney editing. Them you know making a thumbnail you know writing a post to go along with it like a lot of work. I'm not complaining but I'm just saying I I've just had a lot less time to actually go out and see movies and get yourself. An intern unpaid unpaid intern for small. So you don't have to spend any money on this just put an ad out somewhere for college credits. So that's how they sucker people chips. Put that out there. Yeah I refuse to Chris not a time Peter. It's November twenty. I if you're if you're still doing three videos a week for the rest of the year you're not going to be able to catch up. Your here's the most horrible thing is I'm part of a critic circle and we need to put our votes in this week so I have not seen a lot. I'm hoping that this is bad to say. But I'm hoping that you know. The the people make critic circle. Have I've seen a lot more than me and that those nominees will win out in. They'll give you a chance to catch up. Once the nominees are available with. I know what I need to catch catch up on. I know what the talk is about but I just have not had time anyways. What are you watching? So I saw uncut gems. Which is the new movie by the SAFDIE brothers and I talked not too long ago about watching good time for the first time and how that movie is just like you know? It's very It's very high key all the way through and this movie I think is even more so it's like high anxiety the movie it is not the Mel Brooks movie. But it's it's it's a movie full of that gave me anxiety the entire time and I'm not really prone to it but man this thing is just it's like people Like everyone in it. Adam Sandler Kevin Garnett's LAKISHA stanfield idea Manzella's in this every single person in this movie seems to be operating at a ten ten out of ten on the volume scale at all times. It's just like everyone is screaming their way through this thing and like talking over each other and it's one of those movies is where somebody wants something but gets sidelined. The entire movie is the sideline like you know just being taken away and trying desperately to get back to to the thing that you want and you know it's like I'm not always a big fan of that as a as a structure like there's this episode of Atlanta that it reminded me of I've I think it's the second season of Atlanta The fifth episode where paper boy is just trying to get a haircut. And he goes to this barber shop in the barber's like okay. Yeah I can give you haircut. I just need to do this one thing. Like come with me and we'll just you know it'll be just a minute like I can take you to my house and do it. and they just the entire tire episode of them getting sidetracked and paper boys just getting so frustrated because all he wants to get this freaking haircut. That's what uncut jumps reminded me of. It's very much like that and I think think Adam Sandler is as good as everybody's saying he is. He definitely like gives a shit in this movie. And it's it shows I think he you know he just got a nomination. The Nation for an independent spirit award this morning and I think that's totally warranted. But I'm just not sure if I'm on the SAFDIE brothers level as anybody else here here seen this movie. I don't remember if you guys have talked about it like Chris. Did you see it at a festival or any. Yeah I saw tiff. And I'm right there with. I actually loved good time. I thought good time was great. Even I know I agree. It's very tense. But this people seem to love this more than good time and I'm like the opposite end of the spectrum. I don't think I don't like his movie I need. It's it's really well made. An Adam. Sandler is great but this movie is so tense and it's literally people make bad choices. The movie it's like two full hours of people making really bad choices. And I'm I have unlike you I actually do have have anxiety and I'm I'm I'm like anxious all the time to begin with so sitting through this. This is like the last movie I saw a tip so I had to see this then I had to catch a plane. Not everyone knows. I'm always ten about flying to begin with so I was already tense and I watched the most tense movie ever made. By the time I left the theater like I felt like my head was going to explode. So maybe I need to really creepy visit now that I'm not about to get on a plane but I do not love this. There's as much as I love. Good time be describing. Sounds like my we made me. I'm so excited to see I. It's one of those things it's just just like I I couldn't get on its wavelength but I think if you are if you're able to get on its wavelength. I think it does exactly what you want from this kind of movie. So Yeah there's there's my take on uncut gems I think that comes out really state for that December thirteenth twenty four is releasing that so I also so how chance to see the fleabag one woman show so everybody knows fleabag. The Amazon show created by phoebe. Waller Bridge It began as a one woman show and fathom events was putting on sort of like limited. I don't I don't think it's a one time only thing because they've actually done it once before and I was out of town and I wasn't able to see it but they did like a the broadcast of the recording of her doing this one woman show and since my wife and I really loved especially season two but all of fleabag we wanted to go check this out and they. Yeah I mean it's like I don't know how much I want to talk about this because I'm not sure how many other people are going to have the opportunity to to see it but if if you're a big fleabag fan I would definitely recommend doing this if Fatima events does something like this again and it's just so good like the writing is so on point. Lean and just watching her. She sort of acts out some of the characters as well as you know she. She plays this version of herself for this version of this. This lead character that she's created raided but she also does like some voice stuff here and there It's A. She's mostly sitting in a chair on a stage the whole time and it's not super physical but she gets up and moves moves around a little bit. I thought that It's just a really like you can see. The Gem of fleabag was there from the start one woman show so the the idea of like a producer sitting in the audience watching her and being like my God this is the perfect thing for a TV. Show it's very easy to understand how that happened so Yeah if you get a chance and your big fan of The streaming series. Then check out the flea. One woman show fathom events is where I saw that at an AMC theaters. So maybe just keep an eye on Adams Adams website for upcoming shows do that again I also saw the souvenir Came out earlier. This year is directed written and directed by Joanna Hogg and and it is a movie that sort of vaguely autobiographical. It is about this young woman who is at film school. WHO's supposed to be sort of like a version of Joanna Hogg when she was growing up and It Stars Honor Swinton Byrne. Who is Taylor? I'm sorry go till the SWINTON's daughter and I think this is her first movie and it's really. I mean the thing. I walked away with most from the souvenir. Is just being really impressed with this as anybody's first performance it's very very vulnerable in raw and and yet it. She is immediately somebody to keep your eye on in terms of up and coming actors. I didn't love the movie. I just watched it this morning. So I'm still sort of mulling it over in my mind but I think there's a lot to like in it if you are a fan in a of You know if you like movies that come out of the Sundance Film Festival in your up. You know if you're into your tapped into the indie scene at all Definitely add this one on tearless. 'cause there's there's a lot of tropes there that you know it's sort of check off a lot of boxes in terms of like the cinematography the aesthetic the look of it The the idea of this sort of quasi autobiographical story I. It seems like very I don't know like on on paper. It could seem like just a checklist but the movie itself comes alive. And I think it's worth checking out if you're if you call yourself a sinophile maybe then than watch watch it. Also shout out to Tom. Burke actor I've never seen before who plays the male lead in this movie and he is supposed to be playing Orson Welles in David Ventures new movie manque which is a a biography of Herman megawatts the writer of Citizen Kane and I thought that like watching him. And knowing that it's like you can see the Orson Welles in this guy and he's going to be such a perfect Orson Welles. So that's Tom Burke. The movie's called the Souvenir. And it's on Amazon prime video right now. You want to check that out. Has Anybody here. Seen the souvenir here yet I did. I saw it at Sundance L.. Okay what'd you think about it. I really like. It's very very slow which I don't have a problem with but this is the one movie Salat Sundance where half the audience walked out. Just because it was it was a wow go slowly but I really liked it I mean I it. It's it's it's. It's not like a traditional narrative. It's sort of like bits impeach scenes from this person's life rather than a straightforward story. But I really like it the the the the acting is phenomenal so I cool And then finally I re watched one of my favorite movies of the year portrait of lady on a fire My wife and I love it so much the first time that we went back and saw second press screening of it it actually just this morning. They announced I think it's who's who's is releasing this as a twenty four Oh neon yes. Thank you They just announced that They're doing a one week exclusive engagement on December. Sixth at at the end Jelica Film Center in New York and at the arclight Hollywood in La. And then it's gonNA open wide on Valentine's Day twenty twenty Add this movie to your list. I know talked about it briefly before it is like one of the most beautiful love stories I've ever seen in my life. It is a full blown like true and true. You know all the way through masterpiece it is. It's one of my favorite movies of the decade and it's weird to say that parasite and pit portrait late late empire are probably my one and two of the year and they are also very very high up on my best of the decade lists like what a one two punch but got. This movie is just it's almost like a perfect movie. I can't think of anything wrong with it or any single thing that I would change so I can't wait to see us and we can talk about it more because it's the justice moving and emotional and like powerful the second time through so that's portrait of a lady on fire definitely added to your list thinks okay. Let's move on to what we've been eating being Jacob. You've been eating at a place that was featured on shark tank. Yeah I I wouldn't bring that normally by Peter Unite both watch shark tank so that you could get you find some interest here. I think it was two weeks ago. An episode I came out eight and they pitched a chain of a milkshake. Bars called the yard and the whole thing was crave. Shakes crazy milkshakes. Top with you know cupcakes and chocolate chocolate cake pieces and full all kinds of toppings and customizable and you know higher price ones ten dollars for a milkshake fourteen dollars for a milkshake and they got a deal on shark tank and have a location office. I thought Oh they'll check out you know I've I've been to love ice cream places. I'll see if this one is up to snuff it after all. I you know large investment on popular television show and I regret regret to inform you. Peter that The Yard is only okay. It is It makes you wonder if anybody who were on shark tank had shake a longtime. Because what they're doing here is nothing new and while it's fine is not particularly impressive and maybe it's awesome location but if you kind of person who says come spend fourteen dollars on this milkshake. Oh you on top of the cupcake. Maybe high using store cupcakes local grocery store because you can see those packages behind the counter and it just like all the toppings things in all the special things like all Lindley bottling grocery stores they only GonNa hide and shakes themselves are fine. They're totally accurate milkshakes. But if you're the kind of person who I saw them pitching this on a major. TV Show where he multimillion-dollar investors says. You're the next big thing. Here's the money. Let's make this happen I think there are much better options for sweet sweet treats out there especially in a city like Austin or anywhere else. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA find this place. Yeah I I think it's this whole instagram culture though again like it's not that it tastes amazing. It's that it looks amazing and it makes people jealous on your instrument. That's probably up to this point in fact on fourteen dollars on Dan milkshake taste good. And it's only okay. Disappointing here that Jacob By the way I So you're taking day off from your diet. I'm taking Kito break right now. I am still exercising five six times a week twice a day Let's see we Pacific. Peter I uh-huh actually twice a day Monday to Friday so I'm maintaining right now I'm not losing but I'm also limavady recharge going back to Kito on January first See I I. I went off the Diet. The this this youtube channel has been the death of me. I've gained twenty pounds of the sixty pounds lost off Back and and But I've recently gone back on the Diet And I have gotten a thing called green chef which is kind of like a blue apron or any any of those like me you know you get Three meals in a box and you cook them and they actually have a Kito plan. So if you're looking for a easy way to make he you know you make the meal like a half an hour and they've been very good. I've had two weeks them. I could send you a referral if you need it but Yes please reach the point. Where like my body just needed a break so i? I haven't gained the weight of. I've been you know just having you know backtrack at all So it's it's been interesting And I'm looking. I'm looking forward to getting my system cleaned out hanging back to the low carbs situation Once Christmas is over because between now and Christmas. I can't make it happen so as long as you're not gaining weight Jake. Don't worry about it. You've made great progress so I mean and I just saw on your instagram. You did like a photo of you from two thousand nine to two thousand nineteen and you like. I didn't believe it was in person. Yeah I was over four hundred pounds in that picture and I'm not gonNA pounds now so that's crazy. Okay Brad what have you been eating So when my tonight when Chicago to do Double feature and food out there. We wanted to find someplace really Cool to get some dessert after our second movie and we found this. This place called Mendis hot chocolate and there. I had the best hot chocolate I've ever had in my entire life hands down This place was unbelievable. it's kind of place where the hot chocolate does cost. Eleven dollars but holy crap. Is it worth it They the the cocoa tremendously tastes. The way like Badgen hot chocolate in movies would taste because they make it look look so creamy and warm and delicious and so the The one we got is it's called the old fashioned and it's medium hot chocolate milk chocolate cocoa nabbed nipped whipped garage and they put a marshmallow in the cup and it is so creamy and very rich to the point where we couldn't even finish ours even though it tasted so good it was it was hard to finish just because it was so so rich But it was the the taste was absolutely incredible on top of that. They have amazing desserts to The the one that we try try that was our favorite was It's bread pudding. But it's much better than just plain pudding. Because it's banana chocolate Babka butterscotch cream cream and oats Kaci crunch and man. It was. It was so good It's it's definitely A little a little pricey considering you're getting just desert and hot chocolate but in my opinion it's it's worth it to try it out so if you're ever in the Chicago area seek out Mendis hot chocolate and you won't be appointed very cool okay. So that is in Chicago. Yeah very cool okay You can find more of all of our work as awesome DOT com. You find me at Peterson on twitter. You can so you can find this podcast. Social Daily published every weekday on itunes. Google overcast spotify all the popular podcast. Please feel free to send your feedback. Questions comments concerns. There's so peter at Sauce on that Com and please rate Andrew this podcast Nigerians tell. Your friends spread the word. But we'll see you tomorrow. They take taking a break from kid. There's no joke buckets. That's a no no jokes. I didn't know that. Can you hear me Peter. Can you hear me. Can you hear me yes. Unfortunately it's Jacob. I think we lost the. I can't hear you then I'm going to announce into the void To read from the book of Insults Offense Refinery Sharper Torts ripostes costs equips implant put-downs by Louis. The only one who saved today. ht because he's halfway around the world. This is from page forty five in the cream. Puff section which I think may be a slur against feminine men. we'll find out Peter Yours jumpy. As a kangaroo as fidgety is an old made as pliable as wax what yours jumpy as a kangaroo. It's fidgety as an old maid aid and it's pliable as well. Why isn't old maid fidgety? Peter you're jumping as a kangaroo Old Maid and as pliable as wax. All Right Chris. He gives his conscious a lot of credit that belongs to his cold feet oh then conviction conviction after he knows his wife. Thanks Yep and Brad. He has a lot of courage to bear. The misfortune of others Seems like a compliment. Isn't it the courage readiness fortune of others. We can't question these. We have to just move on. Well I'll tell you what we're all nervous as a diner watching the chef handling racing for him I don't know what raising form is Jacob. I'm so sorry. He's as nervous. Dieter Racing Forms I'm confused like a racing form like you go to the racist and you bet on the horses. He never says a diner. Washington chef handling a racing form Yeah it appears is to be that Peter I just Google there real quick. Why is he at a diner though he did? Maybe he's going to gamble away the diner and they're like oh no. Maybe you're taking a gamble rambled. You're not actually eating the horse. I don't know I have no idea. Well he all you guys also have as much guts as a skeleton fair enough you all work so hard with your too nervous to steal feel like. That's a good question is that how is that in an insult. Your ulcers are not from what you eat but from. What's eating you? Are you giving US extras. Because we might not have a watercooler next week because the holidays checkup. I'm very concerned about this. Peter also I miss I miss being able to hd she always took it in stride ice. I think the cream puff section. I was initially worried. A homophobic thing apparently cream puffs by definition of Louis Safety and is a weak willed person and not not. I'm not a gay man which is making. I'm very very concerned. I'm wanting to open a section. This book guys Find Racist Homophobic Shit. I've been promoting Louis savings work for years ears and something. They realize he's a monster and not just a great man of all time. There's deathly sexist stuff in there. We we've encountered it. Yeah true to guys while we're here Other never looked at the very first page of this book. The very first joke of the book and Peter you can cut the darkness after I say this because you can't top this one He has gone the way of all flash.

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Episode 117: Parasite + Ford vs. Ferrari

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Episode 117: Parasite + Ford vs. Ferrari

"No no no. No Judy Garland. Liza Minelli Debbie Reynolds No. That's so wrong Okra. That's really wrong right. Maybe Judy Garland. Liza Minelli Related Debbie Reynolds. I don't know shoot but it takes you through the that part of her life and I'm sorry to interrupt you. I'M PRETTY SURE. Tiburon actually older than Liza Minelli water. Hello everybody welcome back to the film. Buds podcast. This is one seventeen one seventeen so thank you so much for joining us once again. My name is Henry Khloe and this time around we gotta a doozy big show. Yeah we have a review of the best picture winner parasite and then also a review of one of the other the only other one. We haven't reviewed best picture nominees. Which is Ford Versus Ferrari? And if you do want to check out our other reviews. Khloe said we have done all the other nominees prior to this and then we might talk on the the new wes Anderson trailer perhaps maybe talk about the Oscars a little bit. We actually have a question concerning awards shows in general so I love that. Yeah my little soapbox and maybe talk about Batman all the good stuff and now they Portman Cape Yes Lord. Well we'll Khloe. How are you? You're just getting over having died? Yeah yeah it was more restful but not worth it. Don't do it don't try it at home So good gave me life Henry. Excuse the Pun was actually before after thereafter that right. Yes wow if I hadn't come back to life yet if you had placed little picture of Not In natalie poem of follow the. You know just put on my little heart or something like Unicorn tears that would have brought me right on back. That's the best thing I've ever seen That's been fueling since it happened. Don't not putting a gas in my car donated. I can't think of any other ones. But Oh my God. And they all looked so good. Take a look basic. But that's understandable but timmy. And Natalie Oh my God ah and. He didn't change for the after party. Which I appreciate. He never does. And I'm with your buddy stickiness ridiculous will are you amy. Oh not bad. Been Pretty busy owned happy. Valentine's Day we should say is happening. Yes shy maybe. We should have done a Valentine's Day show but a well that's yeah Oh. We have done Valentine's Day terrible movie. I don't know I remember action. Culture delivered flowers. I never sought theaters remember. I said Kilian I would swap every week. All right. That's part of that ochre. I saw lose. I want to see when they're in that time. My Life Right now I appreciate. Everything is Something not too much going on. They interesting happen neither of us since we last either I O one thing so I'm in this. Oh actually before we get to that. Oh I got a a lovely letter in the mail. Hey love letter. No not this time in the in the mail from Guilford tech where I go to walk forgotten. No I on. The Dean's list are made the president's list top. A heck is ask the top five percent of the school. Yeah Henry Proud of you so that was good. I had no idea as ing thank you. I've never heard of the present me. Neither what's this joke arm? It would be. It'd be just a weird. Could you imagine the head faculty for school? Punking student to be good. You'll be charged with money. It's not funny it and also this internship that I'm in at Yep roc records here in Bro North Carolina on Tuesday. I got to assemble a lyric video. Four Chatham county line one of their bands land and the footage was already there but I got to add in all the the word the words in could do some little touches here and there and so at some point. It'll be live. How Fun. Yeah Chatham County Line which one the what song no Chatham County with what other county? I don't know we'll have to ask inspecting. Yeah it all of them. I guess all of them. That was a weird question. Just the whole line. If anybody knows out there goes all the way around other than that. I don't think there's much what about you. Khloe not much. No somebody called me. Clo- J. Simpson. I I heard that Adam like that and as we have no similarities rude. I can't think of one. We both have two eyeballs. So there you go. I have some gloves that don't fit anymore. Well cool I guess with all that said so disappointed. I don't have anything to say. That's good what the heck. I'm sure it'll come to us. I don't think so today Henry. This show is going to be all you. I'm about to fall asleep which is not good tad sleepy myself. We had a busy day at the coffee shop busy. I worked at Marian. Megs families restaurant last night richer upfront. Wows it twist how how to go. It was pretty good. It was so busy like they. They were full for reservations but there are ways to any reservations. It was like. Have you ever seen fawlty towers of ever made no okay? Well it was very much. It was like fawlty towers ask. The farmhouse is funny in and of itself. Like it's so cute. No windows in the middle of the woods like the bars very small. And there's no bartender like this is a lie and I can't understand half the people the client I'd counters Jan. Their accents Which makes it difficult to talk to them. Yes as you know that's makes it tricky but their actions are so thick. I'm not being funny here. They're so thick it's the orange high school of Yes restaurants. How dare you wait a good restaurant? Though I mean in terms of a shares. You're okay not the quality or the audience accent wise or intentionally. Yeah it was. It was crazy. People get hype on Valentine's Day. I Tell You oh yeah I've never. Why would you go out to dinner? Amounts day no shade to those who do. But I don't get it. I don't know we don't have that kind of stamina now too busy too. Many people man not for me not for you know all right. Well let's let's jump in see no what. Valentine's Day is based on like an ocean. I learned this in elementary school. Tell us do you know I think so. I'm murder just one. That's not healthy. No over a lady. It's not good. Yeah don't do that. Think on that romantic. You know. I'll let me neither cat. Murders snuck you know Make bumper stickers. Murder is not cute. Especially if you do it to chloe. Yeah don't worry she can take. It again was enough. Yeah everybody out there. Welcome with your first time listening. Check out the last episode if you want to hear more about chloe's little hospital fiasco. Yes Yeah my best friends made me a little coffee. I saw that means. That's friends all right. Well let's let's jump in. We got plenty to talk about. Let's get into our review of parasite and La. No no time because one out. We love doing that. I love doing. We can do it right now. I think a okay I got it. Okay which one you WanNa be no preference but now now before we I'll be everybody. Do the clip. Should we read what it's about so more people have context or she'll do it. Okay okay do it. The way it goes with us. I'll be everybody. Chirp can jump in if you want. Local is that the LA. I can't remember his name. Why is he here? Did you invite him? No I want to Mir is he. He's not coming in as he always not coming in. I know how many people are we talking about in the same life for all right just in case. You haven't seen the movie you might be a gay gave ruined. Hello everybody nice to see you. What are you doing here? How is everything you look so nice? Oh my gosh. What's that big is it. Oh I shouldn't say. He said they enter the movie. And then You come in well. This box is heavy so I brought it in so I didn't understand boxes. Heaviest could be heavy no matter what. Anyway Jeff big big plot holder say. Here's the box. What didn't they would who she's opening? Your box is that a beore rock. No it's a piece of modern art. Oh it's so metaphorical. I'm actually doing very well. I think these are some of the actual lines. And then he's a he's like. Oh Yeah this is the rock and it symbolizes What's that called material wealth or it'll cause material? You know that kind of thing. This rock is material wealth. It's from my grant. I just visit my grandpa and he insisted that I bring it over here. Oh that was so nice and then shoot. That's pretty good. There's a little more about the rock but that's basically. Oh so you have a lot of these around. This is boring. See in the movie so you have these Ram Oh yeah ton to studies for them. The Whole House is the college whatever he's got lots of rocks rocks this one trail. Thank you man who wouldn't want to watch that movie. Give me an extra media. Yeah and now the Henry. You'll be surprised. I think a lot of that was. I'm not kidding. Genuinely I think a lot at was quoted a lot of that was I believe you. I know for a fact. They say it's metaphorical Yeah we'll of what hair site. The Synopsis Is a poor family. The Kim's con their way into becoming the servants of rich family the parks but they're easy life gets complicated when their deception is threatened with exposure. Strange and it's directed by Bong Jun Ho. I didn't hate that. Was maybe my lethally favorite. Yeah so wasn't good and it stars behind pronounce the names here King Ho Song Sun. Kyun Lee Joe Jonjo woo-suk Choi So damn park and feel others backwards. But that's okay backward. No I mean I usually do the success last but oh well. I don't Alpay okay. Well as we said earlier this did win best picture best director best original screenplay believe it really just swept the Oscars this year. Mullen the nineteen seventeen to win the most. I don't think it only one so it wants cinematography my and my guy and maybe sounds land. That's about it though for nineteen seventeen. I didn't watch it and Mary kept texting me saying this is boring. Nineteen seventeen sweeping up. But that shows you. I don't think so I trust you and I saw this one back in theaters. Maybe in December when it was first making its rounds. It's just had another massive wide release because of its wins at the Oscars Khloe. Now you have just watched this movie you Yep First Time Watch. What did you think of this? Does it does it. Live up to the hype. Is just a good movie. This is the thing I don't know what the hype quite. It's just all the Oscar buzz around it is. They'll order. They say that it's one of the best of the decade that it's just broad strokes. More broad yeah just overall a very well. Made Movie Concur concurrence on this side of the table Yeah where to begin? Let's see would this have been in your top ten? Yes okay especially because my top ten was a shaky anyway totally. It was the most okay. Not My favorite to watch. It was so stressful. But not too much but yeah sorry lady. Just very stressful. That said it was like how do I it? It had all of the Clean Lines of Asian cinema. Both a very kind of universal while now so had like the clean lines Asian cinema and then it had the But to go with it had a very What's the word I'm looking for casual sensibility? Sure which is refreshing. I guess and it makes it seem a lot more realistic Which of course makes it all. That more unnerved thing H. Definitely like check for most colleges a movie of the year. Five far might be a good a war next to add to the buddy awards by far the most college essay movie of the year. You know what I mean because you could. I mean. This thing was about wealth disparity especially in terms of climate change which is fat He loves that we add Polar Express stope which we did review. Both of those on the show are reviews of that. Yeah I get really early on yellow just like Oh God I gotTa Watch that. He is a his. It's solid prolific. Yeah and he also did the host a long time ago. It's a good movie is it. Yeah Certian not the how. Temporal South Korean. I've seen that I've seen that I've seen not seen the worst kind of dark like visually. Yeah Yeah Yeah last. Season Game of thrones dark sure yes well put visually while you know other ways as well as his nature never seen. The host researcher Ronin never have shoot been meaning to but I wouldn't have those early on and then if he oh that was like the first time she tried to be like a grown. You know you Max. Irons isn't it. It's weird sure his character. You know like nepotism anyway. I talked about the movie. Yeah it was so solid. I mean like there's so much I really appreciate as you know I love you know. Intricate intricately weaved pieces. You know who doesn't right? Who Down and the thing I like it. It's not like punch you in the face with it. Like they're not like a clues or Easter eggs or anything like that that you know what I mean. It's just And it's not like overly symbolic sorry mother not my mom. Pamela is perfect and I would never call her mother because she hates that the movie mother. okay. I got you like Would it still affected like everything is intentional? But again it just helps like form this world? The world is interesting because it wasn't really that kind of odd really matter. I don't know I'm I'm rambling. You can save me out. We'll do those where you talk than I Interrupt JUMPING. Because that's that's where we that's our that's the thing well when I talked about it on the show a while back. None of US remembers. Yeah so I'll refresh you. I liked it a lot as well. I don't think I love as much as some people seem to. I personally would not have chosen it for best picture. Let's say that's not now. Oh nine hundred seventeen I would have chosen once upon a time in Hollywood but thank you. Okay however I it winning for many reasons. Is it's deserving. But maybe not the most deserving yeah get one best picture and best foreign film over that that's the other one at one. Yes thank you. That's the yeah I think the Bong Jun Ho has a really good style of making something feel kind of self aware or laying within a genre but also grounding in many types of reality or many yes I always think of them like plays almost. Yeah they feel very contained. Yeah Snow Piercer is still my favorite of his. But that's almost purely because just of the genre enjoy more on bass stick. It's all the same theme. It is the same way more bombastic. I did it. Watch the trailer before I saw the movie so I didn't know anything amounted to skin so I actually went in thinking that it was like a biological scary. Roller like a contagion. Kind of things. Didn't want yeah and what I loved about that is you. Don't really know that you're in it until you're in it because there's like a point where the characters are building in the world is building and then all of a sudden one person after another in this family is like hunkering down and I thought it was just so as you said beautifully woven and very subtly done as well in terms of the bunk. Joon-ho style he's able to keep it slightly heightened so it feels kind of humorous and off the cuff a little bit but still making it feel like you're watching real people. Yeah so that element just from a filmmaking. Standpoint is amazing and as the story builds and builds and builds it does all of that very very well and never really misses a step for the most part Allenton. I wouldn't say there's any real glaring flaws but my only real is the ending. The Third Act. I felt like there was a point where it was gonNA wrap up Swiss army man. Yeah and then it had this extra maybe ten fifteen minutes not say that those minutes were bad per se but it felt like it was culminating to something and then it just kept going a little bit and while I enjoyed those reveals and the discussion at brought up by the end I felt it overstayed. Its welcome a little bit pun intended. But we have to do a spoiler discussion. I don't WanNa be presumptuous. Henry Nah I think we might have another little women ending on our hands again. I I didn't have an issue with the way played out. I just felt like purely from A. I looked up the lyrics to the song at the end of the movie. Okay and it tells you all right more than you see. I'm not surprised by that. Stay tuned the party was dope. The party was good. Party was dope. Yeah it plans. I love movie. The plant seeds Plants Church throughout throughout that the end you see the garden Shaped like they're dropping. Tj Why they wanted to random places then you get up on the roof you see that sprang at the word. Gotcha got and that's what it says. I mean not not to give anything away. But there's a point where there's this big storm tunnel. Shift a big storm and I felt like that sequence was where it would end. And that's just me being a viewer. I felt like it was wrapping up there. Yeah what because there's this all this chaos that you know the the heck are you talking about? Sir and I felt like again not not say that what came after it was bad. It's it just felt a little extended. Wait because I think there were forty minutes left after that. Not Not not that long one hundred percent I. It's about forty nights watched it. We'll we'll we'll figure it out. We'll figure out okay. Oh a recording. Yeah I can I can not. It's all good that out to that in a while. I can edit that out I think the performances across the board all very good steady. I my favorite was The the rich mom the mom yes. She was the best of everybody. I also like the father of the main family. Yeah yeah he thoughts up a lot. Those will be the statue from you as well and there we go. That's funny yeah. Yeah loved the opening really strong and did you like how well I could be wrong. Could be annoyingly reading into this. You know I'm good at that easy to do with this well. But like some Li- correlate with wealth like the amount of access you have to sunlight wealth. 'cause like obviously their houses like just like panoramic windows right the rich people and then they live half basement so they can look up and then other less. Sunlight occurs as well total. Wow that's true that's also just like the prison system. He said these are so universal. It's crazy he has a good grasp of very timely relevant themes but is able to present them in a relatable tangible way where it's not south you know hitting you across the head with that. It's just it's there for you to discuss but even if you didn't pick up on any of it it could still be a very entertaining still good movie. That Dole still fun. That same thing with the snow. Piercer eight you can. You can turn your mind off for that movie and still enjoy it. Exactly ride sadly like. I don't think everyone comes out of this like me when I finished. I was like well disparity and Climate Change. The two things go together a lot and as the same thing with slope. Oh my God it. Snow Piercer the do the poor people cars didn't have windows. Oh man this guy's making goodness sake and I guess. Okra is slightly oak. There's a little more punch you in the face. Yeah and it's all my God. That's like everyone else's Marley. And me is my. Oh Jeffrey. You know what I mean. Sure it's like. Why are you gotta be like this Killinghall know yeah. I also really liked the scene. Where they're all hiding under the table. Amazing sequence where. It's just this kind of play of suspense. Where there's this the sun playing outside and the couple right near them and it just so incredibly done. It's you're never really bored. It keeps things moving very well but also not losing track of. It's like that main line. It's like the classic were like well. Let me whatever you have to like. Know the rules to break them I feel like this defines that really well. The movie was so well executed. And because of that it could be why you'll the instill make sense you know Because it was wild. Henry was some big twists that I did not see coming. Did you see them all coming of course but I'm salty? Yeah I have the rage inside me the things I care about these are things I care about. These are the things I think about. I know all your I respect you so much for that. It's I'm glad you do not a I'm not you can't think about using dollar dime no of course not but I do yeah. I'm glad you do. The world needs hand. Anyway you know. Yeah I also really liked the look of the house and General Gorgeous. They built it for the movie and have it was fake. Upstairs was all green screen. Any seen upstairs. Yeah that's right. Yeah Yeah Yeah what. It looked really good. I didn't get any I didn't notice either. Yeah wow which is very impressive. The relationship with the the father of the main family and the father of the rich family I loved it so much especially when they're driving because he's the the main father's driving him around and I loved all of that and this other choices with ages as well. Yeah Yeah Yeah the dialogue and the the banner is so fun and it's also pregnant. I can't think of a better expression. People say that accurate but it's gross Sacrifice but a beautiful thing. Because we're just weird. I mean like all the dialogue. Like there's no it it feels like like comes off like on filler again. It comes off so casually and everything but it all has his so intentional that you and I think that goes to show his way of filming where he's a little withdrawn. He's not he's not trying to yes yes yes to his success very much so yeah. I agree with that that way. You kind of come back to it later or on re watches. You're like Oh yeah I see how his head because he's not too close? Yeah Very Hitchcock. In in that way. That's true it was so good I don't even know there's so many memorable moments as well. There are no original ideas. Which is you know a twist these days so nice well. Should we just move onto spoilers. Or let's do it all right. Well Star ratings. It's a four and a half for me Do this is a hard one. You know what I mean. It's hard to get a vigil on it. You guys close my eyes and see what happens. Please have it when I said that it popped into my head. Aren't a tarantula sitting on top of like a birthday present. You know the classically wrapped sure. That's like tiffany colors. Bigger the most tiffany boxes. Black really just like a perfect cube. The torrential sitting round top of where the Bo is oh while standing to torrential sit and I don't know yeah. We'll stay tuned for spoilers at the end of the show. I wanted new parasites did good move not to really. I think it's it's more like definitely. Yeah but more representative parasites. But that's why you know the hence the there's the rub you just WanNa give too much away. Yeah now what's not no not all three not the just to know all right. Well I guess we can move on. Let's get to our second review which is Ford versus Ferrari and we have clip. Well so take a listen in the last three years. You and your marketing team had presided over the worst sales slump in US history. Why exactly should have missed four? Listen to you because we've been thinking wrong for. They've won four out of the last five Lamont. We need to think. Like Ferrari for our makes fewer cars in a year. Then we make an a day. We spend more on toilet paper than they do on their entire outweigh. You want us to think like them. Enzo Ferrari will go down in history as the greatest car manufacturer of all time. Why isn't because he built the most cars? It's because of what his car's mean. Victory Ferrari Wins Lama. People they they want some of that victory. What is the Ford Badge? Men Victory. All right well. Ford versus Ferrari is directed by James Mangold. Who just did Logan most recently which we reviewed on the show. He's another big. I mean he's like people don't know his name but he's he's coming up. He's a big. What do you mean coming up? He's made lots B. movies. Yeah and feel free to name a few since. I can't remember them but I know yes. Along with Logan he also did the Wolverine before that but SOM- tied him out what we'll get to in a second anri to deal with here. You know anytime of the audience now getting entry. You're stuck with me well. Hopefully so we'll be like I get you. I'm kidding anyways. No we had that one reveal. I talked too much. They agree with you. Thank God yeah Are It will it? Stars Matt Damon Christian. Bale John Byrne Thal catch Ryota both Josh. Lucas Noah. Ju Ju Tracy Letts That's about it. I guess and the Synopsis Is American Car Designer Carroll Shelby and driver Ken Miles battle corporate interference and the laws of physics to build a Revolutionary Racecar for Ford in order to Defeat Ferrari at the twenty four hours of Lama in nineteen sixty six. Well this one. I think at one best Editing I think maybe some sound design at the Oscars and also as we said got nominated for. Let's Pick best-picture strange. Oh man makes it makes sense. It makes sense being it takes Hollywood but yeah yeah now. I as I'm guessing you. I just saw this this week just came out on Blu Ray and digital purchase dot as well and I will start off if I may henry but of course okay. We are equals. Yeah well I was like to ask. It's nice yeah doubt. It's okay. It's how we it's it's our dynamic but we should say it's only called the stupid name in America every well. It's called like twenty four hours off much better name much better they make. It seem like like Matt. Damon is Ford and Christian Bills Ferrari or something. They're doing it out and secretly love. Yeah now in. Everyday life. I'm not a big car guy. That may come as a surprise to some of you but it's true that being said when it comes to movies about cars racing I love it. It's funny you're like supra stereotypical macho man in terms of the movies. You like to watch yes but now I realize right. Thank you so much for that. I'm the opposite so when it comes to movies like even Mad Max. Fury road is a perfect example. Just cars racing everywhere engines roaring. I love it But even more traditional racing movies like rush with Ebay to the Ron Howard Film. I Love Speed. Racer gotTa really view that at some point or Retro Review. Yeah Not Review. Wasn't done once. Confused got to do it again. So I enjoy movies about racing and that part of culture and some ways so I was curious about the movie and I think it it may sound cliche. Put it this way. This movie is impressively consistent but not necessarily consistently impressive. See what I'm saying. Thank you thank you. Give people a minute to But one marinate but it's consistently well written well directed well acted has a nice tone enjoyable fun tone to it at an especially for being a two and a half hour. Long it crowd-pleaser long for Does from most part a pretty good job of keeping pace and not faltering too often to meal east or at least not glaringly so and ten stupid I would have liked it if they took it all the car. Stuff all the racing. Yeah there's a lot of car stuff in here but the racing mail that actually no matter it does a impressive job of just keeping Matt quality up but there's not really anything in it at the same time that is really that impressive. I think Christian Bale's by far the best part of his performance. He so yeah. He somehow the most charismatic music so good. If Christian males isn't good luck trying to get anyone to pay attention to you fair. Good luck I think his story his character is very interesting. Especially with how selling when you care about it ends up and I think even the the dynamic between Christian Bale and Matt Damon is interesting in in some ways and also how the final race does play out between the two of them I think is effective with how the higher ups are controlling parts of them. But then there's the pullback movie on their side the artists versus the businesses so all of that I enjoyed a fair bit more than I thought I would actually not really look looking forward to moving on to watch it. Yeah I said a Christian bill movie. I don't WanNa Watch that saying something you to James Mangold definitely enjoys a Western for sure. James Mangold was borne from apiece of I haven't really stupid now. I'm not stupid I'm just straight up. Lay Gang Mount Rushmore ammount. My Roosevelt stuck in my head. Which obviously anyway so James Mangold. I feel like it was born for a piece of mount. Rushmore that chipped off Tumbled down and just formed Lou. Benjamin Button Baby Interesting be an interesting concept for film. What everybody into falling off Mount Rushmore? A rock shit maybe a pixar short. Maybe turning into bad actually but it'd be pretty bad in terms of James Mangold Gila. Why would it be around me because it was pushing? Okay we'll James Mangold. He did also do walk. The line three ten to Yuma girl girl. This is what I'm talking about. Girl interrupted the Wolverine drafted most recently Logan and which I think. Logan is my favorite so I think he brings quality brings that Western sensibility to his movies. Okay pretty well and I think this one is no exception. It has a fun not necessarily outlaw but slightly rebellious personality to it right in terms of in terms of Christian. Yeah I know I think it did a decent job of making like corporate businessman talking about how to go about making a car fairly interesting. It's not it's not edge of your seat but I thought it was fairly well down for movie like this. Some people pop up like John Byrne Thal always is really good. He was good. Yeah about five saying spurs good. Yeah since it did win. Best editing I think the editing especially when it comes to the racing is very very. Well done it's just very fluid and clean and compelling whenever it's indulging in those races it's really exciting nevertheless there are some lulls for sure it gets bogged down a little bit with overcomplicating lot acting too many characters but for me it was not the opposite of the kind of movie that needs that like this is like again like a crowd pleaser. Kinda like Americana Kinda thing. Do you know what I mean just like. We don't need thick plot. We don't need all these people pop up. Just give us the simple story at what you WANNA give us with Matt Damon Hill Accent. It's all we need. Which wasn't too bad. I'll say I was worried. It's not that bad. I thought how he can hold it. That Matt Damon can hold it down. He says nothing next to I what. I'm sorry I'm sorry. Yeah do you know Matt? Damon was originally the dude in the fighter the fighter. Oh yeah that's right. Yeah Yeah I'm glad Christian did it robby in new. I saw that. Kinda pissed me off. Get Out of here. I Hate Israel I hate you know have have we ever is not even a nice person. He's Maine Yes for numerous complaints and also he's plagiarize her house that three kings three kings right. He stole that movie Hausa he stole. Look it up. I mean I remember all the T- exactly so I'm not GonNa occur but he did also his punch somebody in the face onset not cool no like Johnny. Depp apparently allegedly on that city of lies movie on people saw Naing. I'm sorry Johnny Depp Henry. I still love him but it just must be confused. Get BACK IN THE GAME. Come on you can do. You can move on from us. Not So nice move on from amber. Hey this thing if you don't like it ain't no problem for me. I mean I'm going to watch his movies you know. I just hope that he's going to be in more movies. Which at the same time does even bad recently. He's been terrible well. He was not bad in the professor last year that nobody saw cavalierly. You never saw it. He told me as bad knows all right he was good in it. Now I'm below. Is the movie bad? No I gave it a three three and a half. Jaba your show nicer to normal person. One and a half. Maybe anyways I think as you're saying for this kind of movie not needing those thousand Whistles Yeah. I was worried about the run time. It's two and a half hours. It's too much. Yeah which I could. It happen two hours absolutely then one thirty. I would being a two and a half hour film. I still thought it carried itself fairly well but I think many moments I was like all right. Let's keep get this going. Even the final race is to extended and there were great moments in it. I felt like there were so many stopping points bow. She's like okay. How long do we have left here? Yeah that's not. That's not a great for movie. If Chris Your mail was non screen it probably wasn't super interested and not even a creepy shall may way K. He just by F- like lit up the movie. Really you know and not by fault of his own if that makes sense like he you know I. He's always just doing. I think it can be said records from like. He's doing his job. He's not there to be like the star you know what I mean but he just outshone the rest. The movie to me. It was I'll what's the word people use serviceable. It was good. It was like solid very solid but like you know it was fine. It was clean. It was polished but it wasn't interesting to look at. I guess you know in that kind of way versus Christian. Bill's performance just kind of like just another level. And there's just a despair you. They're like I might have in some ways even like the thought. I don't know if I would like to more. My thoughts movie was better overall. If he wasn't in in some ways you know what I mean. It was a more level playing field. Sure yeah when. He's he's on screen. You're like I'm in. I'm in Christian so good I know we have. I liked him more than you. I think we even hostels. I didn't like it very much. I did it like the movie but I tell you said he was the only really thing about it. I agree I would watch that again just to watch his performance. Yeah Yeah of course. Oh you should. You should see me in the theater. It's been long enough right. I can do spoilers on that movie. Which one hostels Timothy Xiaomei died? After being moved for ten minutes I almost lost my mind. I said there's one reason to know fantastic for the podcast by was like not having a good day. All right let me just be like secluded and go see a movie because sometimes our dark western. Exactly right I was. That is my jam million. I'm having a crappy day. I'm GONNA go see. Yeah Ten to Yuma Nice Tie thank you and then when they killed my guy after us see I remember. Yeah Oh my God. I didn't know anything about the story. Yeah and that not to spoil it but I think the final big moment of the movie was effective. I thought and I think also those sure. Yeah I would i. What anyway not story if you like cars. That's good. I'm sorry that'd be mean you don't like stuff I like or you might. Hey thanks and that's great. Not only the big moment at the end but also how Matt Damon's character continues. I thought was kind of refreshing. Twist twist and very Deeply rooted in a very human feeling. Where Yeah 'cause it's like he just gets in his car and just Kinda has to keep going. I thought that was really like it's not necessarily the prettiest of actions but in reality. That's sometimes what you just have to do in certain situations that don't work out in the way that you want yours. I have to keep going. You know so. I thought that was a nice final scene. Yeah that's fair enough. I just hard for me to know that the movies good enough. I'll get into no matter what it's about I think right like you're you're setting yourself up for a pretty high bar to get me interested in movie about a super wasteful. Kind of whatever sport. I don't like racecar driving. No I like the plan at number one number two. You're driving I-drive more dangerously too often game number three number three. I should say in terms of in terms of my interest when I was a kid. I was obsessed with NASCAR WAILUA lately now fit in with your little southern school. No I actually did you go to actually hillsborough elementary a data Stanford I went to a private school. I now is terrible hated. We talked about this. I don't know what school is it. Triangle Day school. I never heard of that terrible triangle as well what the heck that garbage garbage is not very good. I Dunno triangle taste. Yeah stay away listeners. Done I mean not. It's not a wasn't a prison. I'm just saying share. Not like fame. In retrospect now that's not to say I'm sure almost all middle school. Experiences is are not good for people. So maybe I'm just feeding off of that but no I I did not like it. I'm sorry but I was captain uniform. No I was captain of the baseball team all three years but you allowed to play sports in sixth grade. Oh Yeah I choke What the heck. I should've gone to private school. Actually I was on crutches so it didn't matter if we ever got a like a like a diving play or a home run or something. Our teacher or our our coach would go by a cookout milkshake. Yeah and so. We're like I have to make like an amazing play in this game so I can get milkshake tomorrow. But here's a good. That's crazy about my crazy. I've told you this milkshake. No I don't know if I've told this story on here that's what might be too much. Oh God never mind okay. I wrote a poem in second grade about like a smoothie. Milkshake thing was like cream. Cicle smoothly which is basically milkshake and It caused a lot of commotion for me. It was knocker The poem I didn't say in the poem it was about like milk shake or smoothie or whatever and apparently came off. It was very much about something else that is heading into known about which. I didn't those about this movie Yes khloe mix up. I hate saying that lately. Come on maybe. We'll save that for another day a slow day. That story. Yeah I think that is far as we can get pretty. We go forward on the show. Nothing we're not. Pg I notice it's setting man. Okay my my smoothly poem. I was quite good at poetry especially for sure. I'm like Nelly Mister McGregor's WANNA emporium. I peaked peak. Okay I was this capable all that time ago which is probably why I feel so incapable now at this level when I was seven in any case gum anyway so I wrote this poem because my dad. We're borders rest in peace border. Oh man what a good shot. We went there constantly. Yeah this is the best place. I'll go there by myself to just it was around. Genuinely the best place was in the world. The kids section ridiculously amazing comfy. They they kind of encourage the idea where like sit and enjoy whatever read. My Sabrina comics to the history section. And just read all about World War Two. That's so US I was reading. Sabrina comics in your reading out. Go by get like a textbook. I read a lot of architecture books though interesting. Yeah my dad used to tell me I wanted to be an architect I don't Anyway Anyway. But so he used to be like whatever. I'll give you a smoothie. You read a poem about it. You know Dr Strauss. Very supportive of the arts and everything but I was like fine gary so I think so. I wrote a bomb and it wasn't my low poetry folder in school and my there was like a special lit teacher and she read through my poems like US market lead teacher whatever and she read through the poems and she said Oh my God why is this seven year old having inappropriate relationship house pow in what way inappropriate. Apparently my poem. Outta smoothly came off very sexual all right well. That's that's what I was getting it. 'cause I know what you made me say it but nobody has caused a lot of commotion. I'm not look I'm not trying to be a perf here and find out the details. I'm just saying in. What way was it inappropriate just purely just just wrong for yours? Lewke something I know Bloom her house got out. I remember when line was I. Yeah I just wanted to smoothie okay. That's what I could see myself doing that. I just wrote this about like a milkshake. I just WANNA cookout milkshake. Baseball coach. Milkshakes bring me to the yard. Yeah that's like when I asked asked the girl out an middle school and I gave her a pack of Gum. She said no but she gave it out. That's extend you those for you for asking somebody out in middle school. Though I was the talk of. It's done anybody out. I'm not doing it. It was the talk of the town at the time. No that's so sad. No that's what that's one thing about the school thirty people in in my grave when when one person sought everybody thought that if it makes me feel better no matter how many people learn this goal. That's the case. Yeah and and thank God. Social media was not like in full bloom. Yeah Yeah and so were. Everybody was talking about it. It was almost just on the grounds of the school. It was contained if instagram and facebook had been you know Blue Moon I would have been. I don't think you will be hearing about how you would have gone viral forgetting Cardin. I'm kidding just just now if I if I did something you probably would have gotten now. I wouldn't care if dates I haven't given I haven't asked out someone with bubble gum. Maybe I'll try it. You should try mobile area so it worked this time. Maybe do a live stream of it for the show the work. They wouldn't say yes to that they'd say. Why are you filming me not be like recording me? Why are you going to record them? I can blow it up their fix. It's not there. It's not that post. It's not after the I think when you approach them one with a pack of gum which is fine with me. Here's some gum. This might be the lowest end prostitution offer you've ever received then the the recording device being involved my also be a Red Flag. But who knows with you knowing you would probably work. Maybe Yeah Okay. Got Off track there but all right well anything like me. They'd chew some gum dropped on the street. It gets stuck to my shoe probably. That's my that's my name anything else about Ford versus Ferrari. I mean it does. It does the job. Cushy mills great quite actually has Christian bills accent that means that that is weird. I was like what are you talking? That's not you. I'm talking like because you bail. Yeah he's got some good comedic chops to him like he's just like 'cause he does so much dramatic work. Forget about that but when he's funny he's he's really is. That charisma is the same thing. If you asked me that makes him so being scary out of nowhere sure you know what I mean. Yeah I gotcha. I'm picking up all right well out of five. It's a light four for me. I love a good racing movie chateau you what I thought of Russia's better but what I sw I N C. I can't say much but I'm I doubt as Daniel Bruhl. I don't like I would think I like it. I don't know why would you think that people people think I like him and I don't think I like puzzles. This is one of. I just found that out against what everyone. I don't like puzzles. Get upset if you. Can you wait that I do like puzzles? I don't like the marker so but if you like them that's great but I don't have the patience nominee either. I applaud. Those like just be done already. You know what the heck just be put together. I did that myself in the mirror every morning. Me Too thing. I don't know. Oh okay. What comes to mind simply is like grass grass is how Greenwell and Dandy no nice grass. No or a little little too long. Yeah we'll natural okay. Yeah sure was not mode yesterday might be mode in a couple of days just grass vivid green light green. Yeah no vivid green but not wet or anything. Okay just like grass gamage school. Who'S ALLERGIC TO GRASS? So this is not into them. You know what I mean totally grass. Great grasses. There doesn't yeah. You gotta be looking for it or you forget. You're walking on it. Yeah cool all right well. Let's let's move on. Get to a little bit of news now again. We do have the whole Oscar thing so maybe we can talk about the new Wes Anderson movie coming up first so just in the last couple of days. The trailer for the French dispatch was released. Wes Anderson's next big film star studded assumingly next film period. Yeah Star studded as always and of course starring Timothy. Shallow McEwen shellman. Now this not related to him. This could be completely. His hair is a whack. I love it. It looks like Kurt Vonnegut. You my God. This is unrelated to that. I thought I swore this was going to be another stop. Motion Animated Film. What yeah why? I don't know I thought I heard that. No I never I never done. That could not be more disappointed. I was like no not not truly I mean. I think the movie looks very enjoyable but I was like wait. I was wanting to see another wes. Anderson Animated Good Vision. I'd love to day right. I mean I could make it but I think that we creepy I feel like that'd be like some Lewd Dahlia knew. Exactly again you picked up without putting down and that makes me a hesitant but this now I think as I said I think. The movie does look very entertaining. Is All WES ANDERSON MOVIES? Do I think however is look entertaining that I'll give you? Yeah however immediately. When the started I almost started laughing by just how much this movie looks like Wes Anderson. Yeah you more than that. The Voice Oh the music in the voice over. It looks like a mix between. I got like Grand Budapest. His pants and royal tenenbaums and a sprinkle of that train movie. Oh Yeah Darjeeling. Yeah now that said just because it looks like a Wes Anderson movie that still means it looks very good attitude. Black and white good humor. There's good characters as infused of all the things to be repeating. That's not the worst. And so I I'm still looking forward to it and we'll say it could be amaz- exactly for me as well we'll see what's interesting. I resent very deeply because I think I love. I wish I could live in a world that Wes Anderson created designed right but he always leads me down like I hate is dialogue and the plots are always so like oh You know what I mean. I don't hear indescribable because I feel it so much. Exactly what I mean. I'm too close to a even give it to you. You know what I mean should so part of my being. I've never had to describe. It can't do it well. Yeah this one. I think it's possibly going to have premier at Cam and make sense the summer. And then I'm guessing. Come out maybe in the fall you know us. Anderson loves upon especially when it becomes real life exactly but I do think it looks very enjoyable and as I say many times when we have a just autour film coming up it is just nice to see someone who has such a distinct style. Yeah it's even if it ends up being a bad. It's just refreshing to watch someone who is so confident and passionate about their own style. Absolutely I could watch any of his movies on mute and be very happy to do that now. Actually not any of them on little dog with scissors a K. Nobody wants that nobody. Nobody was like kind of funny. Nobody wants that but not not funny enough. And I mean Quentin Tarantino. He never would but he can make stabbing a dog. Were kind of good probably that. Make that weird. I think I'm GONNA place today. That's okay who do you think would have the worst killing with others because I think I know mine and then to twist I know mine Lars front-rear okay. Okay okay you win some ways maybe Darren Aronovski if he was feeling especially violent. Share see Miami more like emotionally violent I think the most upsetting one for me could come from the bombeck. I could see that for sure. Yeah I would like him to direct I feel like Bomba could direct Curious case of the curious incident of the dog in the nighttime maybe he could do together because it needs a little bit of you know nurture needs a little bit of that I think he you know anyway yeah. I wonder if that will ever be a movie. Maybe be a bad movie though Broadway show. They made our right. I don't know it's hard because the book is so good. Have you read the book? No it's a classic. It's so good. But it's like first person injury distinctive voice and he's like figuring out so my not maybe but it could certainly be done. No just leave ansel elgort out of it. Okay everyone's developing this movie. Do not let antle be an okay. Let me pick. Who's in. Please calm commie up. That'd be great casting director. Do you would have make a movie under a false name going. This already horse. You don't go in this. Maybe make a movie under a false name. Then like a student like Richard Gailbraith whatever. Jk rollings was K-. The movie is about to love story right. Of course the casting director gas myself. Who better yourself of course my opposite. Timothy. Yeah then you realize `oh twist you realize zoom out. You see a camera filming the thing. It's two layers then. The movie actually about soon back further. Well how shoot a loading movie down with? Love was basically that. Oh Gosh talking about the office when Michael Scott is talking about his. I know but I'm talking my thing it's already taken by urine. Mcgregor renews a Wig. Because she wrote that whole book To sneak be like. Hey Hello All right well. That wouldn't comes out later this year. So we'll keep you updated on that one. Well I guess we can move on and talk about the first look at Robert Pattinson. As Batman in the upcoming reboot remake. So they just released some teaser. Footage of him in costume Mostly cloaked in darkness. It didn't give too much away but I thought that the design of costume was good and I think the music as well. It was very good. We need to see him in the in the not in the daylight at night keeping in the dark but I really do need to see some real footage rather than just the casting commercial. Yeah that's a that's a good. Yeah like he hit on But I'm not convinced yes I'm not and I love our pets. I Trust Matt Reeves. I mean the planet of the apes movies a great showcase for what he can do so from a direct action standpoint. I think it's going to be very good but if all of the casting choices I don't know how it's going to be so bad. I'm sure we'll get a trailer sometime soon. I'm guessing but I'm not good. It's not I mean some people think it's good I don't think it's GonNa are Kind of pulling it off. If he's like he should be like a Sassy anti hero like rage ful annoyed Batman. Yeah I think it's going to be it. Seems like it's going to be relatively subdued Darnay but subdued like. Not Zack Snyder. You know in your face all the time so I mean if again I think planet of the Apes. That's a good example. I think it's going to be have moments of rage and violence but I think they know what's not GonNa have Laguna Thura who's chloe's pick for Kampelman upset but we'll see twenty twenty one. That's a really good That we can talk about me. I liked their new album. Netter when it came out last year is a fun time. I Love Him. I love him. Yeah been low to getting back into the killers recently as well clearly. Yeah their new album's coming out at some point to their toying. A bunch of cool. Yeah their first show for. The new tour is in Paris. When Kobo is in France no way so if I can mice make my land train. I have my ticket to go see Green Day weezer and follow up way In Washington DC. And really. Yeah that's the closest the nine thirty club. No it's at a stadium. Oh it's a silly me. They're all they're all done at the stadiums. Pretty sure so sorry. It's going to be a epic for sure. Dc The. I wish there playing and not to the concert but if somebody could museum Sir Mary I got kicked out of. I've told this story kicked out of Museum Smithsonian. They thought we had a bomb. Didn't actually it's actually very funny. It'd be a really good TV show. Because Mary and I specifically did not get kicked off with the bomb there. It wasn't a bomb. Sorry the fake bomb. It wasn't even a word y'all know that game with a password catchphrase catchphrase because BP. Mary and like five other her friend. We went to Washington. Dc for like thirteenth birthday. Or something. Like that and Mary. And I were in our. We were doing you know as we're doing our little thing from everybody else. The four other people got kicked out for the cash phrase game right eight. Her Mom got kicked out for stepping over the line. Too many times to look at the you know how they have the lights on. We got kicked out. Because I picked. Now you'll remember this one time I tell you this part. I got kicked out because there was a stack of catalogues for the museum. I said okay. I picked one up man because apparently that was a frigging sculpture Okay we all got kicked out for different reasons. Well and I think that's kind of great. Yeah well okay. I guess we can move on and get to our listener question. So the film buds podcast at gmail.com is the address. The can reach a set also on facebook twitter and Instagram at film butts. So please send us any questions or comments that you have if you're a new listener or if you've been listening for a while we'd love to hear from you will the one we have this week is from. I've got big circles. So okay. Another solid username. I've got big Sur. Yeah like under my eyes circles under is open. To interpretation of. This is the called right. Uh-huh circles are they. They're colder hemispheres or no semi-circles. Right so they say what is up. My Film Buddies. What is I haven't got? You've got big ruggles quote unquote heartache. Here we love it but what do you think would happen if all big movie and TV awards shows were eliminated? Emigre do this would make movies and TV more or less relevant discuss if you don't mind wonder if you to. Oh thanks buddy. Thanks for the question. I think I enjoy less relevant for sure because people love to bandwagon yet but also at the same time better maybe. Do you think that this would cause people to be like? I don't know what's people are favourite. Absolutely not no. Have you ever heard a word of mouth my guy? Yeah Yeah I enjoy watching the awards shows just because I I you love with Spectacle Henry. I love a good spectacle spectacle. Yeah you love and eminem performance. Oh Christ Luke gets that in a minute but I get to see a celebration of movies. Shit that's what I like. You get to see the best clips from all the good movies. I cry constantly when I'm watching an award. Show that that doesn't happen for me but have pure disdain for them. Because I think they're just so I like this or like I said that about it. Right cry the whole way through top to bottom. Yeah no I would. I would just cut the Golden Globes. I don't know who pays hates the golden gloves. Does everyone hates him? They open now. They're the opener. Yeah so to be fair. That's when people are really showing up. Whatever so I think in this day and age cutting them yes it would make them less relevant even more than I think they already are at this point for a lot of people and for movies. I think he's already step more chills when people pie watch them less. Yeah movies in in general not even award shows about two hundred percent choice. No I think where we are now. The majority of movie goers are picking their like big movies to go to the book films or the Star. Wars Films Harry Potter. It you know. And then they're not going to go see the the twenty four movies or whatever you know. It's Thursday we we see all those talking about I said the average or we we go see everything a lot. We got sonic the HEDGEHOG. No I stopped doolittle. That's my Lyda so I don't think for the sake of movies. I don't think it would be a good idea to cut them completely. Okay but I do also find issue with just the quote Unquote Oscar movies. Getting the only real attention just because there are so many other movies that are not only better but are very deserving of having a showcase an innovative in yeah create a twenty four films for one thing yeah even even Harlequin movie. Yeah so creative. I mean I guess it could technically get nominated for an Oscar will see but if joker can show you know saying I didn't like that at all okay safety. Oh no no no. I'm talking like production design. I'm talking like whatever it will not be shook McCarthy. Maybe costume probably not maybe said design or whatever they call that one maybe but nothing else they would nominate Margot Robbie for that. I can tell you that right now and if I'm wrong that'll be hilarious when it's inserted into will laugh about it later. starring. That's that's what I'll have on my tombstone. Yeah so yeah. I've got big circles. I don't know if I'm not saying you're encouraging the idea but I don't think it would be a good idea to sue. What kind of a little different? I don't know how much you'd matter I make movies overall. Maybe better because people aren't thinking about Oscar Oscar. Whatever that's not a bad idea is that is kind of that's true. Yeah Yeah I agree. We'd have less period pieces. I can tell you that all see. I'm I'm all about the period destroying kind. Yeah I love it. I Love The dad movie yet. Two and a half hour Davinci code the DAVINCI. Your this Ford Versus Ferrari is a dad movie for sure. Your bridge of spies. Pretty much anything with Tom. Hanks is a dad movie. Yes yeah what how even frigging. Toy Story is quite a dad movie. Yeah wham that's a mind blown right there Yeah so I don't really know I'm all about a dad movie period piece. Whatever but I think it would be interesting to see the impact of them not having a certain end goal to hit and then being able to be a little more free with their their vision and what they go for so that. That's an interesting idea. Well said well said thank you. Yeah I do that but also you know they're kind of also not really Basel. 'cause I'm annoying as early for someone who loves all of it as much as I do it. You know seeing people walk down in wearing a million dollars of diamonds. Is You know repugnant to me so I gave you made a movie. That's really good impactful movie if someone whose whole life is movies the joy in life movie since I was way more so actually when I was teeny. Now that said let's till second thing especially in the age of the Internet and stuff. I think there's like so many more. If you feel like incorporating I it almost feels like really dated I agree on stage with. Yeah well good question co you did not watch the Oscars I did. But you did not catch them. This this year actually thought it was a pretty good just in terms of presentation. I thought it was pretty good. Actually for what? It's been like recently saying. Oh that's one thing that's an. I told you about that before him. I was like I'm so worried. And now they still managed to keep it down to eleven thirty at night that which long eight thirty it used to be like midnight. Twelve thirty or something. But I don't need all five original nominated songs to be performed Yeah don't need it and I doubt many people watching need that maybe one or two. That's fine the the biggest but the pattern to the people performing death ruled. And that's good eminem. Oh yes so. That's the thing that your favorite the imminent performance which a lot of people are talking about. I didn't have an issue with the performance itself. It's that before that it was this great. Oh Marge to movies and music coming together to create these iconic parts of cinema juicy southpaw bre and it had all of these wonderful moments from the forties and fifties eighties and nineties all these great moments and then all of a sudden it cuts to this extended sequence of eight mile as EMINEM and it takes maybe three or four times as long as all the other clips like why are we spending time just watching EMINEM walk around. Should've been southpaw. Yeah and then. All of a sudden he comes out of the stage and performed underground. Yes I hate that which again the performance was fine but it completely killed that nostalgic. Yeah cinematic love. It was just like I don't care about eminem in comparison to all these iconic film moments Lose Yourself Song. Yeah and so that was very out of place. I wish they could've could've still performed but I don't think that was the right place to do it the right time other than that. There weren't many bad moments. Everybody who got up on stage. Who won had decent speech is not many people all night. My means I mean my main guy. His speech wasn't tiger. I think he did not use going to. I'll even say that I love type. I I yeah I do too. No his speech about of scenarious. Okay yeah it stressed me out? I feel like he was super stressed out and it came through. I was busted in the Gut. Okay Yeah I didn't cry and that's a twist for me. I was really stressed by it but I thought the the presentation and everything was pretty enjoyable and whereas past years. It's been a little awkward but I thought they kept things moving alien hathaway. I mean. Also it doesn't get worse than that. That was that was that was shocking Washington that for my living room in Highschool Maga and now I know some people who I know. Even don't like the hostess Oskar but I love it. I think the cause the issue with having a host is that if you don't like the host that's the entire show and so it's not like now where if you have someone come up on stage who's kind of obnoxious like they had Josh Gad. Come up like and I can say okay. Josh DAD IS UP ON STAYED. Fired up onstage. Okay I don't like him but he's gone thirty seconds but if he's the host that's that's the entire time and so. I think that they have made a good move of keeping people's interest because someone may say two months in advance. I don't like that host. I'm not going to watch it but now you have like you got Timothy. You Got Natalie you got all these other people and is so varied that keeps things fresh so that part. I think they should just stick with that. Were Thinking Megan faster? Yeah but it was It was a fun time and now I texted khloe about it but walking Phoenix watched speech was quite something and very valid points. He did. I think it was just just walking. Phoenix's personality was it overwhelming personality. Yeah it's number one personality. My favorite thing about it was that when he went up on stage people were clapping and he's just like stop stop and he just started talking. I it was so yeah it was very the thing is I love how. They didn't cut away when he was talking. I would've loved to have seen people's reactions in the would've been amazing. Leila's loving it really. I'm sure yeah. Well you know Natalie loving it. She made a movie about it. You should watch if you haven't seen it Carlos now Shoot so really good movie God just look I'm Natalie Portman documentum up except you probably won't want to but that's fine What was it called feeding. No for animals eating animals is it called just eating animals. I think it's called US eating animals. Just a you know. I think it's just called the animals anyway I'm sure the audience was just like I. I love that they should have cut. Somebody should edit the reactions from EMINEM's performance into the Joaquin Phoenix against. Wouldn't that be funny? I wonder what Rooney's expressionless shoes. Eleven it probably with Vegan chocolate pie. That's a good point. I saw really good to me. Said like Joaquin Phoenix. It's ankle. Who's always on the border of super woke and also somehow super offensive. Sure that's him shell. That's good yeah. Yeah like intellectually. I probably grew about everything but I also happen to think he's the most annoying person in the world. Yeah even the most of our values line up extremely well he so annoying for. I'm sorry Henry that's okay. Don't clap. Clap chill to start talking. They'll stop clapping. A. K. You Know League all does my head in apparently Renee Zellweger speech was like Spacey Long. That's not surprising why she win and everything. I don't know we didn't but I would talk about. I watched judy couple of days ago. Then okay. So we'll talk about interested. It was her speech. Was You could tell. It was heartfelt like she's very appreciative and nevertheless it was like all right. Let's we get it. We get Rene so bless her but without people feel about the show. That's that's fair. All right well we can move on so thanks again for the question. Thank you question. I didn't hear that time me and it wasn't me then. No great the film Butts podcast. Gmail.com is where you can reach US review. Oh Yeah if you want yeah. Totally so yeah. Let's reader review. That's one thing. If you do rate us on Itunes we love to read what people are saying and so go go right now and if you've not get that you'd like to read me that's not bad you get it like read me as a person. No it's an expression to read somebody. Oh you got that you did yeah neaten like. You're reading me like my like how am acting. No how do you? How do you mean it's it's basically like calling out someone's faults to read them interesting? Give me an example of reading. 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Out there you know. I called the Oscars. Yeah Hashtag eliminate the Oscar. So thanks film. Buds opens my eyes and ears I would say hard shoot. Should read the next one. Yeah okay this one is from year the board we got some good username Borat. Yeah they say engaging title very cool group consistently academic hope when it comes to films and TV you learn a lot. Plus they make you laugh. People say they learn a lot. I don't know what we're saying that is at all to me. It's coming off that way. I hope so too. I'm happy it's coming off that way. Be Nice be nice feeling. We're teaching the masses. We know things. Yeah it can get intense at times usually for the better however they listen to the Taylor swift one or the leave no trace one shut up. Khloe is the one I relate to most similar personality from what I can gather. I'm the BORAT quote unquote if you know. You know as she said if you know you know canyon. I don't know I recently rat thing. We're playing a game and there were it was basically like charades are Kinda deal and there were queer people in it and if you know you know and if you don't you're screwed in that game which is what ended up happening and it was terrible. Could how else do you act out? Kerama Brown I have no idea you know. I just told me doesn't know what I mean. It's from queer eye but I've had. I don't know what I would do if you know you never know you know she says and I really enjoy her. Reviews and thoughts always kin. She keeps up with the world. Trust me marital soapbox at the same time I tend to find. Henry's reviews very engaging as well possibly being the most focused and concise when it comes to critiquing of all the various hosts and guests. Maybe not brayden though. I don't know he used to. Do you remember the show before about academic keep me on track? I can tell you that we don't talk about McDonald's nearly as much now that he's gone though stupor milk. I can't drink milk He used to love talking about little milk. Used to eat it right there and I eat milk however he occasionally a little data. Well if you know you know I feel you but that's okay Henry a little what. You're no I know it's hard to say. Who's my favourite fave? Maybe both of them. Give it a poke. Whether you're a khloe person or a henry person or both person. You'll enjoy the film buds podcast. I'm a both person to maybe a more so a khloe person but I'm Henry President well Yeah so cool. Well thanks for your the Borat Burson. Yeah that's fair. They feel me. I feel you. You're the BORAT. Well thanks again for the lovely words entered tiny big circles and Public Pena which took me a long time to get you got. Yeah all right. Well let's let's enough with their picks of the week. I guess I think the only thing I have this is judy. Tell me all about it. So Renee Zellweger won for best actress for this film and she plays Judy Garland. I don't know I'm saying you're saying that weird. Can you say it for me Judy? Judy Judy Judy. It's a weird name to a fair gauge. I just have to say it very quickly judy. Judy I'm still saying thick do there. I'll say that. Yeah Yeah strange. Backed everyone someone. This week that I was anti Semitic they didn't. I was Jewish. Now I've talked about this July and everything and it led to a very awkward evening. Yeah well this is a bio pic about her later the buzzing. I didn't hear any buzzing just got it? I don't know but let us know out there. The film lead that you miss about the later part of her life when she's starting to decline a little bit and trying to figure out her next path. If you will and I liked it I think the performance within the context of the movie is good. Like it's very she gets Judy Garland's kind of quirks and mannerisms down pretty well. Can I tell you something? Please remember how I said that Whoever I said was a walking has most knowing person in the world. It Judy Garland or something. I can't watch it right. Even Easter Parade says my guy friends. There I really like to Garland it struggles with the same thing as so many of these other bio-pics do where it's lingers a little too long and just goes into things that are not that interesting. Unless you're like the most die hard fan of hers there are a lot. Yeah maybe not. Yeah but it's still at times quite moving because she's really struggling with feeling so completely far gone from everything that she used to be and being so unsure of how to move forward with where she is even just from a health perspective feeling very different and Ostracized from other people. Me Too and so. All of that is very effective as well as her heartbreak of her kids being in the states and her not having custody over them why she in London. Yeah I don't know any of this. Yeah she's in London. There are all these phone calls with her kids and her dealing with this need and want to be with her kids but she can't really and so she's doing everything that she can to be back with their kids but there are so many roadblocks put in front of her that she can't really and so that part of the performance is very effective. It just shows this kind of what you know who? I would have liked to see do it. Who's my favorite actress? Mom Nicole Kid- should be good. But it's it's I thought it was more moving than I thought it would be maybe not not groundbreaking by any means but it's worth seeing for the performance. It looks pretty good. Good costume design. What was that weird movie with Annette? Benning and Jamie Bell. Oh movie stars. No don't die in Liverpool Stars. Don't that we have. You got the last three words. At least it's better than that okay. Same same kind of feel though. This one's a little more personal little more. Same kind dusty. This one's more clean film stars Film Stars. I think it's it's kind of similar but not not totally. I think this this at least in comparison. This movies better okay. So it's it's still one of those movies in the end that the performance is really the only standout thing about it see for the performance but don't expect anything else really sucks so mocking not to say the other stuff is bad. That's just kind of standard. If the performance wasn't so good it'd be not many not many words about this one people would say and then did rewatch. This is the end yesterday. And it's fun to wild. Yeah I think there are some glad. He finally went through puberty and stop making those movies. Yeah I think for what it is. It is indulgent or self-indulgent. But it's still funny. I think in some ways and they do good jobs of poking fun at themselves and other big movie stars. I do think that it definitely overstays its welcome. I think the third act is it takes forever to get to and by the time you get there you just want it to be over the problem with those because they were obviously making it like the thing that should we charming buys like they're making it 'cause like a bunch of friends like they're having fun and making this silly thing that they wrote bike now give it to somebody to add it. Yeah you know what I mean. I agree but I think that the main banter between Seth Rogan James Franco and Jay Baer Shell and Jonah. Hill is amazing. At times hilarious. I think Joan Hill in particular his whole character of being like Super Super Nice but then actually hating Jaber Shell all that separately and then Craig Robinson also very good the whole scene with Emma Watson. I like of course but it's yeah it's it's a fun time if you need a kind of a relaxed just comedy to watch that. Twelve Yard stressed me out so much because like climate change is real and so for us all. Yeah I wasn't well Di Fire Fire. Don't worry we have time. I'M OPTIMISTIC. In Auburn. Okay. Yeah but also you know. Also that extra schism of Jonah Hill is funny. Oh it just staple yeah. It's good not to overstate but Owen. Also Danny McBride is hilarious. I love him in this hostelry. Yeah I love him. There's no my mom in a book club with Wolfe's Aunt Mo she's racist. I could see that but the also Michael Sarah very funny in his little. Bit towards the beginning and yeah. It's it's fun. I liked it so I liked it. Just throw it on. Khloe and getting frisbee right into the DVD player. And that's about right. Yeah Yeah I watched the the only thing I really think I've watched the mini series of Ama-. Oh Yeah it's a weird choice. When did that come out like like late mid two thousand ten so I was a kid? Anybody big enough Jonny Lee Miller which is weird A lot of people who are like Like American famous and then there's like British successful lot of British successful in their hooker. Dumbledore is in their nice. Yeah Nice where can I watch that? Who Maybe ooh. Maybe I think you might need a pat an extra password that why watch something else where I needed an extra password and I have forgotten what that was. Okay if y'all need my direct TV information email us at the film. Buds email that com. All right. Well that's about it. I think I think that done done does Henry. Yeah what a Doozy as always peered is should be here tagline. We pay our dues. No PEER TO PEER. Attend like okay. Yeah it's not good but I did. Change The tagline recently on. I tunes it's reviews for Everyone. I like it when I hear it in Bernie. Sanders voice reviews for everyone everybody to give a view. Yeah Yeah so oh boy. Next week I don't know there's fantasy island clothing new blohm house moving had to the no no no. Donka one thing that surprised me of that movie. It's PG thirteen. The trailer looked so are to me but of course they're gonNA make a PG thirteen because it's kind of like a fifteen year old gonna go watch it and you know whatever and besides. We don't want to do a blunt house movie because we have a and visible man at the end of the month. Khloe. Are we actually doing it? I don't know forget I'm GonNa see it. I don't know if I can sit. Oh I don't know if I can sit through Elisabeth. Moss playing against nobody to God is GonNa be interesting especially when it's such a good like just to make your own thing okay. Don't take from something. Classic scrambled around like semantics without the heat on and then serve it up right in the movie they turn up. The truth does the opposite. They got the heat and no eggs. I'm talking about no heat. We'll figure something out. We could also do the Donovan movie. The Savior Dolan movie. If we wanted. But it doesn't matter to me. We're we'll figure it out. I have no idea. 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Shame that you can never get rid of if you open your laptop in downplaying in public than the other type person they play frigging Sims with with speakers plugged in facing away facing everyone else full volume whole time You know which are you out? There he guesses o out there. Let us know we know what to what I am. Actually I probably come off but I'm totally the other. Which are my Khloe okay? You're the third category where they're going where you have your headphones in will you don't realize you didn't plug them into the. Yeah that's you know that's okay. It's probably the best one honestly. Yeah Yeah Well. Just stay updated. Because we'll we'll figure something fun out for next week. Lots of choices out there too many and make sure to check out the music buds. If you have not yet you know. The most recent episode was two weeks ago. So check that out. If you're not yet I just tried to keep an yawn and it tasted like pool like the pool water. Like chlorine I guess this weird strain who said. I didn't stay on task. I did yawns focused flavor me neither never had it before well discoveries. I might between two ghost or Zombie. Maybe I watched that. Joe Died called my D- ex-boyfriend boyfriend dimension. That no they're not. I don't think sexual cute cute. Well it may have caused your death. I still have a boyfriend. What's fair. Now here's a dead one. I'm the boyfriend ex boyfriend now. It's really cute all like the person if you like what I like you know you know. I think it's on Hulu. It's like small. It's very small scale by cute sweet little store. You know what I mean little pocket. Ajoy Nice. Love those all right. Oh what the thing I told you about was I saying never mind. Forget what are you saying for my Laurean Water? No something unrelated. I was listening. I don't know we'll figure it out. I said Ou save it for next time everyone. I'm really a heat for that one. Now cutting you off. Sorry and we'll Khloe is always thank you so much for taking the time you always great to see you feel really bad so henry. Now I mean it wasn't anything that importance it's okay. I've never had a John that tasted before too much much have never known someone that had that happen. So it's new for both of us. Yeah all right anyways. We hope you enjoyed the show. Thousand seven hundred eighty seven seconds seconds. Leded you got it. We'll see you next time all right. Well let's let's get into spoilers for parasites you have not seen. The movie isn't anyway feel free to listen. What is it is GonNa be good right? Well Chloe wets when you're ready. Yeah whatever you ready. Yeah don't don't push it all right. Well what's the first thing on your mind? Thought okay thing on my mind the end tell me what you think happens. The last seen what is it. What do you think is going on now? Remind me is I know the end remind me of the very right to the damn this ready each other notes. Yes Oh that is what I want to say another. But it doesn't matter feel like some of the the male characters had way more and that kind of bothered me. Sure they really really did. The women also came off way worse and that bothered me as well but anyway for the mom and the daughter of the main family versus the father and the son of the main family they were like. Don't think about bother me. I want to say about the stuff but it's fine. The movie says it. I don't need to You know but okay so the end to the right leisure jobs to the dad writing a letter to his son. Say I know you never see this but I hope one deals or something like Babalola right and the sun is ready message to his allowed to his father saying. I'll go to school later out. Do this do this later. I know now that all I have to like I just have to make a lot of money. I'm going to make a lot of money. I'm not gonNA think of. I think that's not going to do anything else. Make a lot of money now. We love by that house and an oil advocates. Walk up the stairs because he knows worse. I knew it. Dad was right in his mouth. Yeah that was one of those twisted. We all know breath okay. Those were a couple of points where I was like. Okay like kind of wrap it up those. Yeah but not a big thing but going and then while the large red they're showing it but they may get a little disjointed so it's so than it so okay so they're doing it and they're like oh it's just his imagination like he's they're just showing what he's writing right. Switches Perspective to the Dad. And the you see the two of them outside and they're all blurry she don't know exactly who it is. I thought I was going to end it. There like inception ending. So you don't know if it actually. His kids are not earning wall. Sars stuffing kids his son and wife or not that I. That's the thing I would have wanted intention. But instead a great entitled. Yeah they just show a little rolling on the table but instead to keep going and then he goes over them and you're behind him now and as far as you know the DADS reality is actually reality like. There seemed to be an intentional shift behind him. So that this you're like oh but this is the real part because he obviously looked rough the hugs him so it is them right but now now. I've reminded you what you think happened from what I remember. I got the The Sun not to just kind repeat what you just said but the sun was writing the letter saying I I WANNA make a lot of money to break you out and I thought that the final scene where it's showing them together was a just a wish that he had an in his mind. What future was just me? I'm just attornal optimist. I'm an ideal to him. So sad all the time. You know chlorine okay. I thought it was real. I was like Oh snap because it could be built not. It's not. It's not the name of the song at the end. That bond you who wrote the lyrics and everything else. It's five hundred sixty eight years. Which is how long he would have to make enough money to buy that House. Ochre sandstone. So definitely didn't actually happen. I got that just as a as a dream my little heart. I said okay. This is fair enough because they are in a prison of their own making of sorts. You know I'm being a little lady Gaga famous prison here. I knows a nice house. Sure liked they obviously can never leave. So it's like they're now like kind of haunting the house which is why again. I would prefer it if it was just ended if it ended more ambiguously embiid exactly if you didn't know foods real or not or whatever yeah as opposed to being like nope this business which having get anyway apparently like okay. Because they can't leave and he can't he literally can't leave and they can't do the house buried dead person the yeah but but no five hundred sixty eight years so long time absolutely not that as to sad because the the you know I get that I mean satish is sad enough such sad thing again. They'd be trapped at the House. He feel like yeah but he has to live with his parents. I whole life. That's awkward and that lady is about to rope into the whole thing yet. A fiancee I guess. In the in the dream which is sweet pash tag relatable might as well call her Timothy Chaumet Mars well but also that's as equal. Oh by the way. My Dad lives here. He's a murderer. Don't have you heard about that a while ago. I dyed my hair. She can't tell you. Did I say his hair is different than perhaps now I would love to hear from what other people have to say if they maybe they who knows the might be other people that in the song lyrics there yeah rented to it the same thing. Same Way did you know. Be On the phone butts. Podcast Edgy Mail. Dot Com is professional. Please do please. Adnia thoughts on the movie. You think happened in. Yeah I got it more. As though she something he he was dreaming of. So this is my little women moment. It's Even our it or even know. Hey some other things I loved the it was all crazy so good the big moment. I can't remember if it's before or after scene. I was talking about during the main review of the rain. Them hiding under the table out that the one where they're all scrambling to Clean up or no. It's exciting when they're fighting and the The former made is there with her husband. They're all yeah. That whole sequence was incredible. Oh yeah that was jarring and so tends because it's just how it's filmed us you don't know who has the upper hand who's who's going to win really how they miss it could be anybody you That's the point. Yeah it's the same God. This man really has some things he likes like oil like how I have the same sweater. Five colors which is true. Color combos is not solid sweater. Don't get me. Don't get it twisted because in snow piercer. They had that whole big fight in the dark. That's right yeah. Yeah a lot of that. Yeah he definitely has things. He likes now at this point in his career. I don't have an issue with him. Kind of repeating. It doesn't so differently EXAC exactly like it's not. It's not a word for word. I guess you could say certainly not shot by shot. But it's not even word for word like he's he has the if he's It's kind of side of an autour. Maybe like he's forming. I think yeah. He's definitely not tour of sorts for sure. Yeah but like a sign of as he's form this kind of like like I said like anthology about these particular themes everything in different times and places and scenarios and realities yen. Those those kind of tied together with a if you watch doctor who you might get a little more on this one you know. Also the sequence with the peach allergy with the the made loved that whole thing. Just how. It's kind of devious Canada. Yeah that's what really reminded me of hitchcock that has really you know. Also with the the moment with the spring. The eggs ketchup were hot sauce. Hot Sauce on the plus love that. Yeah so many. So many great touches maybe. Jk have to come back to that later. No thank you. You GotTa have wikipedia statute of limitations than maybe. We'll come back to it. Also the really one of the biggest points where they discovered the underground. Oh it's not to mention the entry for the viewer into the underbelly of society. Like you're like oh. These people aren't doing so hot right like growing up. I was main family. But then there's the whole other level right and that intro is the only kind of Like I would say like horror horror especially now like modern horror where she's like she's like Pushing for her life and she's totally horizontal In the like that is Ho- creepy you and you don't even quite know why but it's so creepy and then that is really the entree into this whole thing. I loved a Ghanem. I don't WanNa go into it because I'll take forever like all the messages about like these lower cut like there. It's kind of this. Movie actually is a lot like us. Not you and me I agree. Yeah a lot of like the You know the old housekeeper new housekeeper. They you know kind of. They're looking at each other right like now sound stupid but hopefully you know what I mean. I really What I mean is like they're having this heart to heart like they're the equivalent of one another for example made these two are the same age basically and so on so forth right and she's like please lime say down there like you must understand like I'm dealing with kind of thing right. And she psych now girl and you're like really like you do get what she's talking about like it's super weird but what do you care you know like obviously they're desperate you know and and and like you yeah and Until that little it just shows that like had destructive is to fight against While they're both by the way everyone's still idolizes. The park's like a you know basement. Man hit his head against the thing and they think it's a ghost which is so cool. I can you know all the things that he's gone from society these come on But like they're all still obsessed with the park's like new neuron but they're fighting each other when they should be maybe helping each other like a lot of lower class for example poor people who vote for trump right. Sorry did I break it there. Yes but also that's true. It's not just trump romney because you know it's like not Not to not to be presumptuous. Blake a lot some of the neighborhoods on the way to like my high school from my house. Where like not clearly? Not maybe a optimal like it's not what you would nominate to have given any option right And those were all the houses that had like the Romney things in like. Nine trump. Like all the Romney things in front of their houses like when I was in school and I was like Mama what is going on like. Do they not understand that? They're the one being harmed by this kind of thing. But it's like the the idolize the idol is Islas. -Ation idolizing is that the idolatry whatever word idolatry okay right. 'cause I'm Jewish. Have it now? The Portman keeps her Oscar in her bathroom because she wanted to be an idle. Because Right Anyway Anne. Wet So Oh I really lost track if I think about Natalie Boardman I'm gone. I'm just thinking about her. Look again her hair my God. She's my what she's what is she going to be in next for an and I know thank you can rent it on Amazon shoes in that. You're Dolan movie was supposed to be not good but it's I think we can rent it and it has. Let's rent little kid no job. No Jacob Tremblay yes. It's got trembling pretty sure and I haven't seen I haven't seen it either. We should watch it Henry or whatnot both paying for it on Amazon. I won't allow it. I'll find a gift card. I'll rent it can watch it together. I can't allow for knowingly two different whatever their actions anyways that'd be hilarious with a anyway only to show help us Rent that movie. Let's give money to the company that this movie is. Basically you know but one thing I and maybe you can remind me of the exact line but the scene where a metaphorical. Yeah the the seniors Iraq. Yeah the scene where from GRANDPA at varian when the the father from the main family loses it on the F- The father and the the main family and does he say like is it respect that he says that it's like that and that's something that's repeated through the whole movie that someone says words like No. That's crazy ghost man crazy goes man. No no credit goes man praised Mr Park and it keeps going respect with that. When they're ready Daddy Park doesn't say anything he just. Piss 'cause Could he's looking dead daughter and Mr Park comes over. Tries to get the keys to his car and then he grabs his. Now's Kazaks a whole thing about the smell. Was the scene where he stabs him before. That were there behind the when they're about to do the tie in. I know the cultural the Just the Rep. When they're hiding behind the bush about to do that. Reenactment kind of the name of making thing is amazing. The kids where the father just immediately. Kinda is starting to change his viewpoint on the the rich father and then again with the whole smelling thing. That's that's what it was that is repeated. It's my thing is amazing so yeah some of the desktop so effective especially with as you said C. Planting Yeah throughout the movie even as Low Gross. But this actually is very relevant and I just thought of it. Okay the whole thing with the underwear. Yeah how they these? The rich people are like fantasizing. Basically like about gossip fantasize like they're like that like that class that like British idea of repression. That kind of thing like this is grossly put on the gloves and everything like the plastic gloves and then when they're having a little intimate moment he's like you should get those underwear. Oh yeah like that also ties and really well if that made sense Just the made sense minute ago. There's much to think about too though. It's also Oh. Yeah it's I think comparing it to snow piercer. I think this one will still have a much longer shelf life than that. Just purely in terms of the discussion. It's brought up and the amount of buzz that it's had. I feel like so. Just tell underrated it is and I think it's already been kind of many times did you. It's already been kind of forgotten and I think this one thankfully will really help Cement Bong Jun. Ho's a real voice and Cinema and I think it's already causing people to go back. Who maybe had not seen his other movies and he has a lot of them. Yeah to go back and watch others which is great and I think Hollywood it seems movie called. Mother there there there. There is a movie a South Korean film called mother. I don't know if he did it though. I don't WanNa tell tales out of school. But what the heck was that line Harry Potter Reverend? No tell tales out of school. Yeah is that like a southern expression it is. I've never heard that telling. Tales out of school is like presuming or or or Yelich presuming or falsely. You know her that. That's dope. Yeah that'd be a good movie name maybe ten days at school but it'd have to be in another language but that's what it would mean him yet for any. I just heard the non-southern southerners out there. I recently learned the devils beating his wife. It's if there's a thunderstorm which is God awful no pun intended. Wait say that one again. That was being his wife of heard. That's not recently but eighty two. What do you mean? I didn't hear yesterday hasn't rained in a while though I've heard that said in a while but I mean I've heard it before sometime in life. There's last time I don't remember Like is your daddy glass blower. We've we've talked about that one because I didn't get it for a long time. Yeah have you ever. I'm overweight you're talking. Classic for any non others apparently means move. Could Your blog view because your dad can make things that people can see through? That's weird but I like it. That's a little southern lingo. Everybody out there. There's so much but we can't talk forever but there's so much I want to talk about like things will just keep popping in my head like Oh and this is like the native American thing like I said that was great tie-in and there's so much. Oh okay let me see I. She said this no regular one are beckon. That's too hard. We all know there are all sorts of it film buddy believing you anyway. I really liked that. They didn't apart what made it so Effective and also kind of casual and Hashtag relatable and all those things I say too often. You know accessible my favorite term movies. Accessibility is that there were like the rich. People were not evil like they weren't horrible. People The poor people weren't completely. You weren't like looking down on them like all these poor like they would like you now. They're real people and you're like why are you doing that? Bre that's messed up just like that kind of thing turn your back on your people pushing him down the stairs when you're better off just worked together. Plus what's so creepy concept living into But also like those are the things they're hidden away present. You don't think about the families and think about these are the like all the other people who fuel their lifestyle but also it's not they're not evil. It's not malicious or anything. They just not thinking about it which is so much more relevant. And that's why the movies actually kind of impactful. You know what I mean in the same way as Florida project. I would say sure this one's of course more in your face. I think in terms of that like this one's a lot I mean obviously the very different This movie movies. It's more I would say at least a very similar. This one is more refined and kind of playing within a genre or is that when more. Yeah I don't know I don't know what it was almost like docudrama something like that. Yeah some. It's like this new substance. It's the Sean Baker. It's this is Shaun Baker. Sallis it. Yeah I think it's an excellent movie. Also I'm good like I'll probably I'm watching again with someone to be like look like to show someone The movie does that make you know? I think it was better than us but I do think there are a lot. Actually I think about it of a correlation what shows how universal and important and You know effective exactly these These stories are which I really appreciate because like Oh people won't WanNa hear about that people on watch that people were Blah. You know which And I think it's awesome that like it got so much recognition more than because it's a foreign film and that's why everyone excited about which is also you know it's cool. I don't know how relevant that is if you ask me but I think it's cool right but Also that it had these intense messages and also because performing while. Oh Yeah. It's doing very well. Yeah and it's like meaningful and I like it okay. So like Florida project again. There's like there's like a spectrum. Florida product was not so successful. I think I mean I know it was like critic like New York City was successful. You know what I mean. Is it all that so sad? And those kind of like the point of the movie was basically like showing that world and that was that slice of life but also. It's not really nice life because obviously formulaic like is it was scripted. You know what I mean so. It's kind of confusing. That's one method of doing it. Then then I'm the toll opposite side I would say almost maybe the reason for not being as successful maybe in some ways. Interestingly enough is no piercer because like I said same themes for sure but super heavy genre apiece with mostly American leads. Everything which might be like. I have these things I wanna say but I'm to use like I'm worried about the reception that I'm just GonNa hide it away until it's not really what I want to say as much you know what I mean like and then like my mom doesn't WanNa put a Bernie Sanders bumper sticker on her car. You feel me sure. Then in the Middle. Is this movie which had enough genre were fascinating interesting dynamic to watch and because of that it kind of Makes the the intent unfortunate reality is that you must examine if you want to? You know kind of be like a you know functioning human to quote two killers. Who is courting poem from somebody else? Sorry about that other person. Are we human or are we dancer? You know what I mean those but if we put the Florida project things into this movie they're so integrated into a visceral emotion at the moment. Which kind of almost What's the word? Almost mimics like empathy. You know what I mean so much more effective. Yeah did that make any sense? Yeah I think I had. Maybe a moment genius little brower. And they're they're going away to the record books. Just be hit the top of her. I mean our hands because people people like horror movies and stuff because it makes them feel it makes bodies literally react right. So tying that into these integral issues of global society together is going to be like. Oh this is the deal. This is for real as I feel like a lot of movies that address. This kind of thing. I really slow and like a observe and tried to have lots of life little sweet moments to make you to try to make you sympathize like all like a puppy. It's a little patronizing time in some ways. Right as opposed to this one which lays it out so relatable even like the opening scene with the Wifi. Yeah you know totally. I think it's I'm glad yeah. I'm glad this movie is what it is. I think that at the same time. I am also glad that movies like the Florida project exist. Yeah because I think they can in many ways unintentionally so I think they feed each other and so I think it's you can't have one without the other. I think in in some ways not they could survive on their own and be effective. But I think in this day and age I love the. There's the Sean Baker look me to the ball Juninho. Look yes as well bound. You has a little bit like happy feet. You seeing a movie about Kilo Penguins and guess what Paul Ocean here. That was all they stay DECAPA. They did the counselor style on the Penguin who. That's when I came out of that movie. I said that was genius. Trick you know. Even though chloe was like that They're tricking everybody. Went into steam this movie and climate change et Cetera. Paulo Shaggy says pollution warm climate air pollution. Yeah Yeah the climate change at the early to them by chance. Did you see the when parasite one who was the woman Who came to talk? Who could speak English? What she said about Bongino. Oh you need you love him. She was super. She's Like I love Bong Jun Ho. He he is never takes himself seriously. He's always making jokes he's he's. I love his hair like happen like when I was watching it. I was like Khloe Gut. I'll have maybe I'll try and put it into historical you know. I'm going to cry when I watched. You could tell how embarrassed he is. He's like I love his like I love his voice. His kids crazy hair as amazing. Oh my God that's amazing. All right anything else probably or find or there's so much henry. That party scene was everything. Oh it's amazing it's amazing.

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117. Feature Presentation - Logan (2017)

Midnight Double Feature - A Film Podcast

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117. Feature Presentation - Logan (2017)

"Most perfect myself. Seeing on. What happened? The fish until today. Told me so we just kept. Away from. Hey, what's going on you at your house, you made it where will you nearest bar for starters? Hey, I got you here. That's all I signed up for even gave back the money such a. Nice man. Hey, I never asked for this. All right. Charles never asked for this Caliban never asked for this, and they're six feet under the ground. So I don't know what Charles putting your head. But I am not whatever it is. You think I am? I only met you like a week ago. You got your back. You're, you're the Lila your blah, blah, blah. Whatever. Everything you ask for. You've got it. And it is better this way because I suck it this, that shit happens to people I care about you, understand me. Then I'll be fine. In the near future, a weary. Logan cares for nailing professor x at remote outposts on the Mexican border, but his plan to hide from the outside world gets up into witty, meaty young mutant who is very much like him lugging, must now protect the girl in battle the dark forces that want to capture. Welcome to another feature presentation midnight. Double feature on this episode, we'll be covering two thousand seventeen slogan directed by James Mangold. Well, let his gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of may not this is a fair presentation episode of Logan. I'm your host have, and that's call Collin. Colonna. Doorman. Fucking god. I love those noises. So awesome. That's just a fuck. That's his best this year, just having sex, isn't it? Can those noises come out of a man? I'm doing well I actually I love watching huge ackman the audio for this, you ever see that video. I have. Yeah. Is that Auster? He's clocking into it, man. Before we dive, right him. Let's let's get the housekeeping out of the way guys. Thank you so much for joining us here. Another episode of feature like I said this feature presentation episode where we go through the movie sequentially. We talk about it. We talk about things talk about a funny stuff talk about we make shady jokes. And in order to do that. We're going to be spoiling the movie. So if you haven't seen Logan get the fuck out now and what are you doing with your life? You haven't seen luggage is, ma'am. So we're going to be definitely spoiling, the movie, we're sir. We're also going to be talking about probably what the X men may toss. Aceh I X men movie, sir. Let's let's dive into that for a little bit. And if you're not ready plays, follow us on our socials, where on Facebook, which is not fair, where on, we have outside with Facebook group as well. Which is the off to potty, some great stuff going on over there and Merle, so on Instagram, which is at midnight buffet and Twitter, which is at MDF pod. If you have any requests from that you'd like to see us cover plays citizen, Email at me, not favorite J, mail dot com and probably most importantly, what would really appreciate is if you, if you like what you hearing, if you like what you're hearing. Let us know. And the way to do that is via living a review plays on Arjun and rod view. We'd love to say what you guys think that'd be fucking awesome. Calling let's get into twenty seventeen. Logan. James mangled, 'Red hit me hit me with you. This is your pick. Yeah. Right. I think this is the most modern fucking movie ever pick known just gonna ethic. Figured fucking. Yeah. Okay. Well, it's been a while. Yeah. I had young Frankenstein in their head to kick it old school for minute. But I. I picked this movie. I it's. I mean, what's to say about this movie that is there, anybody that doesn't like this movie. I like strain. I really struggle to, like, find somebody who'll even though I know people who have problems with parts of it, it is still like a extremely well, made movie is what I've always heard. I've never heard anything really negative all round across the board. You know, it's like what the fuck? It's crazy. I don't really have that experience from the movie, especially a superhero film. And this is not even really a superhero from that. Don't think you can call it that, but it's, it's like a super western, you know what I mean? Like it's, it's, it's kinda weird feel like if this, if this movie were follow game it would be fallout. New vegas. You know what I mean, all those all the Al is amber, kind of colored hues, and especially with him like driving in the car. And there's a lot of neon is off. He's driving around I guess, Vegas at the beginning of this, or whatever. But. I, I absolutely loved this movie. I think I think it's I mean probably one of the best superhero, quote unquote films ever made. I think it's probably one of the best films made in the last twenty years, I think it's definitely. I mean outside of the John Russia in its own, right? Standing on its own film, as its own film, because it's again, it's not so much. You can't just keep calling it a superhero film. It's, it's so different from that. It's like a drama with superhero element sprinkled in, you know. And something like this, you know, it, it only comes along every once in a while, and I think that I've never I've very rarely say that on this podcast because I think people throw that around too much. It's like the word of mazing people just ruined the word amazing or just any fuck. Any word general cool like it's just like it's, it's just like such a lazy thing to throw out there. But I think something like this all the cards have to be in your hand all the stars have to be line. You've got Hugh Jackman about to retire. You got Patrick Stewart about to retire. You've got kind of a, a few shitty wolverine movies, and there are no though, will Verena is not as bad as origins, we'll get into those, but you've got a lot of convoluted bullshit. And especially even now dark Phoenix coming out in a bombing. You've got a lot of bullshit going on with these movies, and you've got to, you got too many cooks in one kitchen, and something like this comes along and just rips out of all that mess and just goes leaps and bounds in front of everything else. I can't find a guy. Dan, thing wrong with this movie. There's there's, there's maybe a few things I think, with Daphne keen, that we can get into, if you really wanna put it under a microscope. But you your straining this point your having to strain to find those things. I know I was, but I all I absolutely loved this movie. I a brief history on the excellent. I remember going to see the original in theaters with my dad. He was a big like OG like marvel comics, like, he was born in forty nine or forty eight. So he was like growing up when these were coming out and shit like he was my age when like Frank Miller is doing over in daredevil shit. It's crazy to think about, but the, the cool thing was seeing that movie. We went saw a bunch of the daredevil, X, two X three, the whole ghostwriter like all those. And I can remember, I think the last one that we saw might have been ironman or the hulk had never nor infest last saw, unfortunately, you know, he is sick, he passed away in two thousand twelve but I know he would've fucking love this movie. He was a huge western fan. He loved John grit. We had the shoot us and a bunch of shit like that, at the house, but I've always thought about my dad when it comes to this movie of, like an older person who sick. And my dad even had that similar kind of beer to one point like a full grown up with a lot of like silver in it. And I was like, man, even even in the facial hair and stuff, they kind of like, like mirrored each other. So this movie's, always meant a lot to me when I saw, especially with ending, and how he dies and I was like, man. This is like this is really I'm drawing a lot of parallels here, and ever made to be one of my favorite, I guess, quote unquote, superhero films of the, of the Jan rutta, I think that it'll take a long time. The only thing that might be a head of this is like the dark Knight. Maybe. But it's really even it's apples to fuck in town. Injuries in that one. They're two totally different films. But yeah, I absolutely love this. I'm just gonna say it renounced fucking like ten out of ten. There's nothing wrong this movie. I think it's perfect movie. And I think it's belt density, fucking covered in especially getting some X men. What about you? What is what's like your history with X men shook is man? I've talked about this a lot. But you and I haven't really talked about X men much. Yeah. Love mentioned on the podcast, quite a few times, now, I'm not a I'm not a comic book writer. I've never was was never really my thing. Even the lately have been sunny move, more and more. I think we talked about it on the Batman, podcast returns, actually. My history with X men is solid, unscreened. It's pretty fucking solid. I actually remember. Remember what great I was in third grade or fourth grade, I was not dialed into movies and shit back that, man, like I was just like, oh, I don't know. I was a little fucking snot my little kid. But anyway, I didn't even know that there was an X men movie out by that point in two thousand I was like, I remember distinctly talking to someone at school. And they're like. Yeah. X men is on TV tonight on channel seven and I'm like, what the the concert because I remember the cotton. And they're like, no, no, this movie and I was like, what I remember got home that day. And that not like it was on. And I was like men like they made this is a movie. This is so cool to have Pels and shit. Because don't forget, man before Spiderman. There was X men, the X men created this. Modern genre of superhero that way. And you can argue blade fish oil, you can argue blade, but I don't think blade really kinda hit the site 'cause as much as X men did, I think it was just X men, look to say, Brian sing is X men. Yes. Kind of, like, you know entered the realm and just fucking stole the show for a bit man. Like, yes, I watched that I X men and I was like, damn this is awesome. But I remember watching that X men and being like I wish they did more with this. Like it felt a little small scale. It's it felt like they could go further. And man when X men two came out, I was like this shit is then as that's the one that really kicked it off. Oh fuck. Yeah. Like that shit was also. But yeah, Matt look my, my history with experts pretty solid. I've been following them pretty much watching them kind of day one as I've been coming out. X men, two X men, three. X-men what soft of that origins Jesus, man? Holy shit. Origins will rain is not a good movie like that. That is irony being so excited for that into. Mata vein are nine I can't remember I think it was seven. No. It was on Jesus Christ. But yeah, I am base excited for that. I was like, yeah. Fuck and he's gonna get his own movie like it's going to be also had like all of these characters in the like I liked the whole sabertooth thing manly of Schreiber we've talked about him in the podcast before, like that guy's Olsen. He might be one of the best parts of that movie like that just kind of like comes out of that movie unscathed. I didn't really was not really a big deadpool fan. So I didn't really get latch onto how much like everyone hated him in that movie. And I was like, okay, cool, right? But man like that maybe it was just so disjointed. There are some ideas that this movie uses Logan uses from that movie and they fleshed it out so much fucking better. And I'd like to get into that later. Yeah. But, like, look, man, my, my favorite X men movie might be days a feature. Pause. That movie is fucking awesome. I love. Hellier and first class is not far behind it. By the way, I was gonna say if not yet, future pass its first class. Yeah. Yeah. Matthew vaughn's can also, by the way, if you guys didn't listen to Russia aside, is saw doc fainting, and it is a much more Shen. Is man, because it's directed by Saban kin big who actually the first time director, but really, produced all of the X men movies, like he produced loading. Oh, wow. That's crazy. Yeah. It's sucks. Actually because I was I was either. It was either rocket, man. Dr Phoenix that dead won't die movie and do really wanna see that thirty minutes away from me closest eater dark, Phoenix saw, like, well time for rocket man, fuck it. Yeah, man. It was it was bad. I really fell asleep. It was boring, if anything like how do you make X men, boring dark Phoenix fucking boring? Like, look, just you're not interrupt. You look at the core to look exactly what they did. Like that was, so captivating me as a little kid, I can understand it. It was a good story. I knew the stakes very well as Duda suck the fuck into that goddamn show. And not only that you've had two chances on Kimbe to do, doc, fainting onscreen. Honestly, X men, the lost Dan, max necks. Look like like just like it's like X men lost. Dan is fucking God baba? That's what I'm saying. It is. Well, yeah, an X men lost hand is not great. But anyway. Woah headed. We can jump into the look guys. I will get my thoughts on Logan. This is my roundabout way. I've given my bolt on leg in the way. Fox's handle the X men franchise. Man, knock right? Like I it is where the continuity just fucks up man like this. You're totally right. This movie just kind of like, does such a great job of escaping that continuity fuck up that FOX's just done with the whole X men franchise, like you can watch Logan, as a completely separate movie and still know exactly what's going on. I think that movie, I think this may be just completely. Excels in the in that area man, like I think it just goes like. Like escapes all the fucking bullshit. The train wreck that is now the X men franchise. I wish that franchise ended here at Logan. But unfortunately the dog fan but anyway. Man, plugging remember watching an advanced granting of this actually two weeks before it came out in cinema. Like I was working at Hoyts is working at the head office in remember, like this guy walks, it sorry is the cinema Chinese to work full. Okay. Yeah. No, no. This guy woke say that I was friends with, and he's like, hey, man. I got to the wool sorry to the lugging. Miano. Yes. Before even auspey did. I'm like, yes, got me to sign a nondisclosure grabbing fucking win wash did. And I was like, man this this shit. This shit was awesome. Man. I not early did a close off seventeen years, one of the journey for Hugh Jackman, which is incredible. But men, the other part that I really wasn't expecting to hit me as much was professor Xavier. Holy shit man. Like both of their performances back to back just absolutely incredible, James mangles direction in his movies just circle. And I was I remember a little nervous because the wolverine was not good. And he directed that too. So see, I haven't seen that one and was like I've heard I've heard it's better than origins, but not by a long shot. No. That's, that's your like you're definitely right? It is better than Arden's, but not by lot. It definitely has a really really cool moments. But it just it at the end it just kind of like devolves into like a big CJ fight and it's just like I, I'm not for this. Yeah. So roy. But man, I remember like delving into sort of like a James mangles resume. He's done. Some solid shit like Hades done walk the line. He's he's done. One of my fucking favorite Westminster three ten year with Christian bale in Russell Crowe that movie. Yeah. Yeah. That's fucking awesome. Man. He's got this one. That's coming up that I really fucking stark. Folded fucking Ford, vapor, Ari, with Christian bale and that diamond. Oh, yeah. I'm watching rush and being like weird. Somebody watching me FOX. Bring that up with the rush podcasts as well. I kind of looked around. I was like. All right. That's not a matrix glitch. Whatever it's like you to say two cats in a row. Yeah, yeah. It's like the fuck in simulation in assimilation, Rick and Morty episodes. You don't watch morning. Fuck me. I'm not cool. Sorry. Logan, fucking incredible. Great, send off for this character. I. Hugh Jackman has expressed interest to come back and I'm like man honor like let this interruption of wolverine bay, because this was this close was just perfect, like you guys this tonight attended. I'm giving this ten out of ten as well. There's nothing in this movie I would change. No story. Our change. There is one thing. Maybe it does feel like runs a little long at points like it feels like it's a little indulgent at a couple of points. Maybe that's just me. I was sitting here writing night's loss on message did. I'm just like man you're gonna have to take off. Why? Because I am let me sleep. I say this full four times in the movies, I watch this, by the way like damn almost off the hot. Yeah. But yeah. Look love is maybe, thank you. Some choosing it if it wasn't going to be you. It was going to be may fish oil, because we're going to cover this movie eventually, and I'm really fucking start to get into it. So what do you say we dove into this bitch? Yeah, let's fucking do it fuck. All right. Man. We get this really simple opening with the like, you know, it's a cool contrast, the X men movies, which have these, like, really flashy opening credits scenes. And this is just like a blacks grade with what credits. Which caught like let's see. No, what kind of movie you're into right? It's just kind of like this bad by stripped-down movie that I'm here for, you know, it's, it's actually super refreshing. Oh, by the way, fuck out how do we not talk about this? This movie is right at. Oh, yeah. That was a big thing when, when this movie got announced, because before this, the for this Twentieth Century Fox had a lot of success with deadpool, which was there. I already X men film experts off rather. And man, I remember hearing about this being read it on. I was like, yeah, man. I'm fucking there for that. Like it was it was, it was refreshing for it to be an Allred movie like it just feels like they've taken the chains of this thing. You know. Yeah. Like it should have been already too along. Oh fuck. Yeah. There is a saying in. Actually, the wolverine has a director's cut. That's actually read it up. Oh, yeah. You can watch. You can watch that. But it's all sage a blood like you can tell it's being digitally added and it's not it's just not as satisfying as this. Yeah. All right, man. We mate Logan away. Immediately. Can tell this is a different lugging than we used to write fucking bid is bad Osman. Yeah. Man. Like, you know, it's funny, you just picture them, always with the iconic shops. And when you see the beard, you're like you're miss net, the whole time it's weird just one little. I hear right there. That's, that's what I'm saying. Man, he just looks fucking bad. Osman. This is possibly based on the very famous old man. Logan, storyline in the COMEX again, not something that I'm across. But just wanted to mention that, that out that. Hey, those are clone printed loves you're gonna strip him. Mid-sentence. Get blasted by fucking sewn off, Ben day whole Cup run. I love this dude. Of course, lugging gets up. Trust raisin with them. One more time extent is close, but it's not like how it used to be a little bit of a erectile dysfunction. Takes guys out man. This is brutal. Like they James Mangold does not hold back on. Hey, does it you know, this is a hard writing when he you know, they, they start fucking with him. And he gets that berserk rage. When he gets up and chops, that guy's arm off and the shot, you know, hits, the fucking truck, it kind of like it's such a violent and explosive act of arm getting chopped off you. It's so genius to even put a little laugh right after that because the shotgun hits the cargoes mother fucking before he can get it outta gets kicked in the face. So I love the fact that it's this amazing violent fees of wooo. We've never seen this followed by a punchline, and then they go right back into this fighting because I mean nothing of like this is ever been seeing a major. You know, like superhero film, quote unquote, like seeing actual limbs get shocked off the guy getting stabbed under the chin. The one that go me say dude. Yeah. That's I think that's the one that gets everybody. 'cause it's like holy shit. That's fucking brutal stabbing dudes in the fucking like side of the head and shit. Like it just really shows you what this guy, you know, even video games when I play. You know the ultimate alliance games. You know, the rated t so there's not blood. There's not violence and stuff. But actually seeing people get turned into, like fucking I mean, watching the turned into like slice pro Vallone. It's just insane. Just like cutting, these people into nothing to awesome seeing the actual like potential of these things for once the full potential of what these things can really do. Right. Man. I remember watching X men two and you when he'd like fucking slams that God against the fridge, and like it's just like this really visceral a will rain moment, like he just like, like it's, it's paratroopers inviting the expansion and they're in the kitchen and like he extends his claws and runs this guy fucking. And just like Slim's double fisting against the fridge man fuck it bat us. And I remember being like oh we have not really saying that kind of lugging until lugging. Yeah. But man like one of the one of the things that gets me and I wish Mangold did it a little more? Pulling the camera Becca little like from the action. I wish like it does feel a little little close at times that a new. No, no. Yeah. Now that you said I could see I think it would, I think it would, especially when you have five or six people in an engagement, you know, I think I think it might be it's probably easier to do those scenes close when she get far away. You get something kind of like the dark Knight rises, when he doesn't even hit the guy, and he just like drops like, oh, no. I'm on dude. Yeah. That's fucked. Oh, poor poor form. Poor form knows, ever really been a strong action guy. That's a whole fucking different fucking conversation that will we can have one day. But yeah. Then when, when, when mangled does pull back, there's one woman haired in fucking fight saying that I love it's really like quick, like jab jab jab that he does like. He's, he's just kind of like, punching him in the guts, like with with fucking closed. It's, it's awesome. I dig it. I love it. I love all of this. The fucking rapid like. Dude, that is one of the most brutal arts spaces. Well, it's like oh, they wears it. So so, well so, so, hey fucking kills Marseille's guys, the other takeoff? I love the simple music in this sort of, like first half of this movie DP, Anna Haywood, the tapping of the symbol, and, like this, this opening main titles by Mark Beltramini. Fucking awesome, dude. And we get a clue that setting twenty twenty nine with the billboard, and you get the radio, of course. The forceful ejecting of the bullets from his body Mazzy standing that sink like again something we've seen before. But like, in a different context now, you know, you see him get shot in the bullets just like pooping plink fall off. But him having to like imagine trying to take shit. It doesn't just come out. You get a force it, and you're like fucking like something. Yeah. The thing I think something so easy in common for him. It's just now a struggle. And it's like oh, that's totally. Totally new feeling. You know. Right. And this is kind of like hint that he's not healing. Lucky used to be right. This is an older Lurgan, like his his house, just aren't really what they used to be. And man, like in this moment. Jackman Jackman sells a pain man like the look on his face throughout this whole movie. He's just like I'm fucking over all of this. He works jobs is driver, which makes sense for this version of Logan to be this. This guy who? Bit of a learn a bit of a. His his saving up for this some Seca and this is probably like the only way that can do it. Mike sense. Quick quick. Look at lugging looking at this on Seca at this federal whissy Logan, downing a bottle of something doc. Mike, ana. Got now. Did you did you notice the kids what the kids are drinking? What was it a lot of people haven't done. It'll come into play later. It's called hypno- and all them are drinking this energy drink called hypno-. It's the same energy drink that Laura has and the gas station. There's an ad there's ads everywhere, and it'll come into play at the very end of the movie. Wow. That's I did a little digging. And I was like, dude, it is so, right. Fucking in front of you the whole time you're like son of a God, damn bitch, dude. If thing we're snake bit. Like, it's it's there the whole time. You're like what the fuck? That's crazy hypno-. Yeah. Fuck you hit me hit me with that. When when we get to it. Yeah. We'll cross every Shia. All right. So is it the central? Drinking as he's approached by Gabriella played by. Elizabeth Rodriguez oranges. You're black plans. You'll recognize who asked for his help. I just like immediately fuck. That's a good impression. Flock, Faulk is not having to cheap lades and she plates, as Gabriella drives, off leggings as we come to know is Laura in the back seat in the back of. Lugging goes to get the meds on the sly, and he's met by this guy piss played by Boyd Holbrook man. This uses cool. Oh, he's great. He's like, he's like, if they if they ever did, like a retelling of the of the story of Adam and eve and the snake in the garden, this guy would be great snake in the garden. Totally, like I say, in something before so before this was actually, the laid in the fest, who say's of Nakas. Oh, okay, cool. Yeah. Bet you he's great in that. Here's man, he's also the laid and probably the best pot of the new predator movie, so sorry, boy, but yeah. Sorry to deal with that. But man, like, hey, hey, makes he elevates that movie and rolls. Yeah. As I live and breathe the wolverine. Okay. Motherfucking doc Holliday tombstone should over here man. We, we kinda like kinda like went over a little bit. But going to get the meds on the slider. I love this shit like this kind of, like. Him being so. Trying to trying to stay on the right are trying to like Cape. Everything locate. I, I love like that element of it as well. Just just don't want to skip poss- like all the stuff that like kind of contributes to that. It's just it's just right. Not having to answer to anybody not having to deal with this shit like him being trying to put down his date of birth when he's filling out a prescription card. Like, yes. Oh, your two hundred and fifty years old. Oh, you fought in the civil war. Pierce basically tells him, he's been tracking his movements us. Whether Gabriel is fan Logan yet, and that he's looking for someone. She took something of mine something for which I am responsible for. Hi, is like, found three dead show Low's off Republican cut into look like they've been cutting, you know, cut the pieces cut by Freddie, Krueger or Tiga now. Neither one of them can drive being as one of them's fictional in the other one is extinct. It's, it's also great world building with the auto trucks and shit like that. This is what feels kind of blade runner twenty forty nine ish. To me, we've got a lot of desert. You got a lot of oranges. We've got you know, these animals that have gone extinct. We've got people like with robotic parts limbs at fills a little twenty forty nine to me sometimes which is no, I love and you know what they Cape. The Cape, the futuristic stuff to a minimum and early kind of put it in there when it's needed, right? Yeah. Really appreciate that. Yeah. The show lugging denies that tells pays to get the fuck out of the Cobb, and he changes his little when piss mentions the Keeble south of the border and ost pay what he wants pays gives lugging his cod says his fan and tips. Tips, on out of there and leg freixa fuck out when rates pays cod, which says Alkali trains gin. What exhibitors tech classified weapons of mass destruction now. Right. Yeah. What do we do? We find that out here. Yeah. I think he says something like heard the feds laid out of flannel. Yeah. It's a little ranch thing like that compensation before fucking. He gets hit in the head of the pipe, damn never on them. Well. Yeah. Fuck you. Alkali transitions in Alkali Alkali lake. Lugging was made pretty fucking cool. When, when he saw he looked cod arm on Washington. Lugging talks to the seller of some sake, and trust the haggle with him, but he's not having it. I love the little detail of leg and already knowing the border officer when he grass him, he's much. He's like. Just little details like that, man. It's cool. Arrives little hideout and his met by Caliban played by the fucking right? Stephen merchant third. I love me some Stephen merchant. This Nome fucking massive pot of the UK office help create the US office. He's a director buys iron Ron, he directed fighting with my family starring Nick frost. Oh, he did that. Yeah, yeah. It was awesome. He's hilarious. The first thing I ever saw him in hot fuzz? He's like he's like, what else does the duck swan look like? Well, it's a small this. That's all I've ever seen him in honestly, did, he kills every fucking invading of, and he's in, he's fucking hilarious? But Caliban he was also in x men apocalypse the year before this, like a different version of him. This is this is an example of FOX being pretty fucking disorganized. When it comes to the X men. Franchise dude. Let me let me read you quite from James Mangold about this. It's a funny messy story of how so often these things are not as coordinated as everyone thinks I actually had written him into our movie. And I didn't he was an apocalypse and then they kind of ran into them and they call someone in them and I had not seen it and was working away on mine. What, what Jesus This? Well, I, I can way Stephen merchants fucking. I mean, more fleshed out. I mean the other one. Cameo, you know. But I like the fact that. With this one with with Stephen merchants like later on. He's getting interrogated her used to work for us. But wa and he was like he says something he's, he's like, which do you get religion or something? He goes, well, you know, things aren't always as they seem or something like that. So it's, it's kind of the no, you're talking about someone else. That's what he says. I'm like, oh, that's fucking. That's kind of funny. It's an NGO like to a little bit. But it I mean they could be that we're looking, maybe at the fictionalized version of Caliban their comic books and shit. Like I dunno. I think that's super interesting how they can kind of reference and not reference it at the same time. Yeah. Yeah, because I definitely have been confused. Like I followed it was. Yeah. Still follow Hugh Jackman on Instagram. And like I remember like saying, like post, like little tasers and shit like, oh before this movie came out. And I remember saying, like a photo of mention as like Caliban, and I was like that is that going to work like, yeah, I don't know. But anyway. Calvin tells that he's the meds on enough and that, hey, meaning professor x was communicating with someone. He says the tank as in is supposed to act as a Barrio, but that's not really working out that way. Yes. Fucking looks like goddamn, Swiss cheese, does man that's shot of lugging walking out towards the, the Dan, motel. Fucking awesome man. By the way. There is a vision of this like Mad Max here road. That is black and white. Yeah. Lugging wa I haven't seen in. Have you seen it? No. No, not at all. Okay. Yeah. I be interested. I haven't even seen the black and client crime vision of, of max but kinda wanna say how it goes. That's another thing as well. That I'll bring up a bit ladder regarding Mad Max but we'll get to it. So we Olga crazier Charles Xavier. He's ranting about the Luba from Taco Bell. I said, make sir said, that's probably one of my favorite lines that he that he that he gets he's he pulls up stops in front of me make way, sir. He says it normal versus like you could tell in his head. He's I'm on a horse and a forest with a suit of armor on like he's very so confident in his insanity. You know, it's kind of other mission. Yeah. Yemen. Like he's kind of sensually lost control of his mutation, right? Like he leads to this, like, unfiltered vision of the pow that he used to be able to control like it's kind of like turning on the radio and getting every single channel and nothing out of filter out. I'm assuming right like, right. Well, I, I it's you know. A mind I in the most one of the most powerful minds in the planet just slipping into senility. That's kind of crazy. You know, it's like, like, like, if wolverine get like fucking carpal tunnel or something, it's like oh, like a hand disease or something that keeps your claws old time like. I think it's I think it's interesting to do because his mom, he is so powerful and it's what's the way you know, magneto could probably control it. You know, that's something you have to like activate, but his so powerful it's almost like and it just instinct, turn it on, like just turned on by itself. It's kinda crazy. One of my favorite parts of this whole thing is that way, when we think of professor x when we think of Logan wolverine when we think of fucking people like I dunno cyclops we immediately think that okay this here has POWs and shit like, you know, the pretty much invulnerable but I love that. What's, what's kind of effecting? Professor Xavier is very human condition of dementia. Right. Like this, this degenerative degenerative, Brian is as oh, like just just fucking getting old. Kana shed like it's like hey, is not invulnerable like he is a human just with luck genetic mutation and he can like the rest of us. And he does get old and seen all wheel will sadly that. I'm going out on my own terms. Boy hits fucking blunt. Let me lo this animating a bullet real quick. I'll just take a normal wondered. I'm good. Shawls gets knocked off his wheelchair. We see something happened. Anyway, this stasis like power that he has that he conned control men. We saw this X men, two ways just kinda like able to control the modifications of everyone around him. But this is like this, like him unable to control the, the level of, of pal, man. Like that's warring. It's like a Charlie horse on his brain. You know, it's kinda just this, this clasping. Oh, god. The pain that must be like I mean, the mental sensation of like I can't move. And then this cr- I can feel than just being squeezed. It's like oh, Faulk. This kind of feel awful. Right. What do you think about the way it's portrayed oil of it? I think is great. It's, it's kind of I don't know. It's, it's I love the way that later on what they do with you Jackman like how he's like digging through the walls to try to get to. But this. Whole thing of the fact that it doesn't affect him. It's kind of almost the only thing that I like to X men last Dan, who said he's able to actually charge, gene, because he's able to re grow, you know, and they do the same thing with these future pass. You know, the fact that his mind can handle it, his body can handle it. That's kind of interesting. It's like it's, it's a very cool power, but at the same time, it's, it's a curse that's kept him alive for this long shit. That's kind of crazy thing. It's interesting that it's also the for Logan. It's being able to handle almost everything that life is thrown at him. But it doesn't matter because it's, it's, it's literally killing you. The other half of that. The him you know killing you. Right. Right. Exactly. I actually have a question as to why Logan is the one that can stand this, okay? Like there could be a couple of days. It could be that he can heal really quick, which is probably the right. Like that's probably, yeah. Yeah. Oh, bay. His may getting, it's my crackpot theories and might be answered in the COMEX Logan. Okay. You know how you how magneto was that fucking special helmet to protect himself from? Logan has adamantine in his skull, right. Yeah. The whole skeleton is he is he less affected by this, because he's also got meddle in his skull. I mean I could see that being beneficial like it's gonna be. Yeah, it's going to keep you waited. And I mean, he is he uses that as benefit, literally, he's like climbing up the fucking wall. Right. So I, I mean I definitely think it helps with resisting probably. Yeah. Yeah. I, I see what you mean. Like it's protecting his brain. I could definitely see that helping. It's, it's not a really explicitly said it's probably it's probably more healing factor. But I think that's a genuine like. Oh, wow. I actually didn't think about it that way. That's not. Yeah. I thought about this time around half pot. Like I heard one when win Pierce I heard you Phoenix. Somebody's that's a reference to last, and I'm like, no fucking get the outta here like. God, I couldn't fuck fucking believe it. When I heard what fuck you. That is stretching. That's like you like you're running on a five K fucking stretch as Jesus. Well, this was a logic one, like I was like okay because I remember definitely saying when he was like, injected with the. Adamantine like I remember definitely saying going into a skull right? So, I was like, if, if the logic of magneto where the home to block out professor X's like Palo works than what is this, and that? But not. But you some fucking comic book rate is like screaming into their fucking radio right now. That's not how it's supposed to be. It's because of this reason. Email to get on Twitter starting started petition to get somebody band, or rehired or something. Let's get rid of. Manado. H O. Logan injects him to neutralize the effects. And because we also see, like, the, the effect this has on Caliban Ryan, like he's fucking losing his mind over there in the kitchen. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Doesn't Helen vein, though. What the pills amazing moment it as finally swears and says the word fuck telling lugging off what reveal okay know this is it was shirt in the trial is, like, I remember, like, the, the, the moment after the title comes up leg, and there's like a little thing like you know, when he's like fucking ninety it's like wall. He's sweat this is just like fuck off leg. And I was like, whoa shit. Yeah. Ahah Patrick, you supposed to be closely and shit drinking. Oh, great. No time for this bullshit anymore. You know. Patrick Stewart losing twenty one pounds man. You gotta be fucking careful like he's up there. Like how I mean how fucking owns Patrick Stewart? Now, I think he was like, what late thirties, probably early forties or they're doing next generation. Like he's been, he's he's, he's like the Paul Rudd of older people. Fucking seventy. He's seventy eight years old. So he was seventy six on this. I guess seventy five seventy six who who is in twenty pounds like that's man. That's true good. Not good. But we, we haven't really talked about is homes in this dirt. He is man. There's no other like there's no other word to use of men incredible. Like. Mike now. Go ahead. I was just gonna say man. Like, like, hey sells every emotional like it feels like he's being on this, like seventeen year old emotional journey, and it feels like he's tired, his done and Hayes. Like the last thing he wants to give to this world is to give Logan sense of place. And a sense of like. You have a purpose and I love I love that relationship between Logan and and fucking exile. Yeah. I think that I mean a he's weathered. He's worn. He's on his optimist not as optimistic as used to be, but he's still very optimistic at the same time he's not as altruistic anymore. He doesn't he's lost a lot of those like the lease Logan is gone. You know, he is like one like, if, if Stewart was like ten and then he draw to a seven Logan was, I got a five and dropped to a one like there's nothing left for him. And I think it's interesting seeing Patrick Stewart still so kind of being optimistic but the very father son, kind of dynamic, you know, like the I mean, which is it's always, it's always kind of been there. But I think that him being like you said, very whether kind of worn by this, like Logan, if I think it affects so differently. I think he's fuck. Twice. This guy's age almost three times as old as is a silly exhibitors, like oh, you're so pessimistic on. Logan's like dude. I've seen I've been. I've been around long enough to see history repeat itself twice. Like like you. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. That's why love that. I mean it's kind of like what is it future pass, where he's like you're like me, your survivor? Am I? Oh, that's fucking such a bad ass fucking line. I love that. And it's so true about him as well as I think it's something executive doesn't understand about him as much as he thinks that he does you know, to a degree. I think he does. But not as much as he thinks. Well, he he's dubbed into his mind as well, right? Right. Yeah. He's unlocked, like a lot of stuff to. You mentioned that Caliban is a species, which is in Newton a young one, their full, so trying to kill them. And Greg coal back to the I wonder the wedding for you at the statue of liberty special liberty was a longtime ago who it's so good. I love that, man, that made me feel old watching that, like, Harry. Lugging mentions that hasn't been in twenty five years, and it's funny that the movie Newman's gotta trial, eight months. Light off this movie came out. Yeah. I don't know what to make that looks like a horror movie. Some totally different than my interesting. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's, it's confirmed finally to be getting a release. An actual release. It it'd been like undated for the longest time, it's coming out in two thousand twenty directed by Josh burn it. Yeah. The pan is going through a bunch of razor and shit. I'm Cain is saying like this assay what kind of like? How it goes. But I know people have lost interest. I can remember that being one of the first new things I reported about at the beginning of the spot cast was they've been delayed in his supposed to be out at the end of twenty nineteen. That's a big long fucking delay. The trial came out in October twenty seventeen. I remember reading the article says, oh, do you add in July twenty tain? Jesus. Charles takes a look long look luggage until them how disappointed he is laments. The moment when Charles family and took him in gave them a family lugging says Vega Nell love this man. Like just how he tells them about look, when I found you had been fighting, you've been cage fighting, and you'll lost. And then I gave you a hermit I gave you a family man. Like these in this moment, just make this fucking movie for me, but you can give me as much violence as you want. You can give me as much bazooka rage as you want. I'm there for that. I'm down for that. But if you don't get me if you don't give me lugging and Charles in this movie this doesn't work, right? Yeah. If you don't get me the. You know, the, the people that I love always end up dying aspect of him, like, and the people that are still around some like he's has like bitter kind of, like. You know, kind of strained relationship with executive at this point, you know, no one should live drugged up a fucking tank, bubble bottom, like oh shit. Like things are not this, the fucking this ain't Manchester, or Westchester. Let sessa. Let Sessa Jesus Christ shit. Right. I think in Manchester fucking bonnaroo is going on right now. Boy, there's a nice little coal back to the wolverine. We get a quick shot of Kacem Russell Manton legends will. Yes, a little. Yeah. Muscle touch. Lega m-, forcefully extended extends at one clue that wouldn't come out and just drinks and reminisces. Looking at his dog tags. There's a quick shot of Xavier. Why away because lugging sleeps. I've got this dog tags actually I bought them online. That's bad us for bottom for a cost you my brother, actually, gave them to him, these wolverine claws, you put the bar in your hand and the three of them come to your finger, dude. I gave him doing because I can't wear them to a con or anything 'cause I stabbed into the box at of Rodman and just shredded it. Fucking of Japanese steel, and I was like holy shit. These are bad ass. Don't ask me what pays for them? They're fucking cool. Also. It's, it's Chafee. But it's a very cold book thing. But I mean, his last name is hell, let I know, I'm they come on dude. Like lock like, yeah. That's that's I don't know. That'd be that'd be like. This is different time. Did it was a different time when it was written? So it'd be like, Anthony, Anthony Mackie you know, playing falcons names like Larry Falco what the fuck on dude? What the fuck. Yeah. Yeah. Calvin wants to discuss things with leg in saying that executives day doses, too low, and that he knew he died this morning mentions that lugging his less affected. I'm assuming because healing and. You know, we talked about this, by the way spotted dick sober. So who's going to say something about spotted dick and always gonna say because I remember did you ever watch the Shanghai nights with, like fucking own Wilson and ten years ago? Yeah, yeah. I remember ten honestly that was the last or to remember, watching was my brother and like they get often spotted dick, just cracked up laughing. Two children that we are. Yeah. Also poss from the knuckles Yeesh raw. Oh, yeah. You can even when he says smell you. It's like, oh man, you get a good sense of that. He's drinking all the time. Like I did I work with some people come in on Monday morning. They still smell from Sunday night. And this Meli. Like liquor, and I'm like, dude, I'm four feet away from you. I'm for fucking spray him down. Give them a piece of gum, like fucking get some coffee. So we've basically confirm that Logan is a homeless man in this movie. Yeah. I mean doing wrong he's making fucking Bank, but it's because I mean you think he's paying here? Go onto God just wants a boat on his chest on healing stat of my ship, something's happening. You lug in on the inside. I can smell it. Why? Oh, yeah. I was like, what did I draw? What are riot? Rod, hey, Dr Dr days. And then brackets Talladega nights because the chick takes top off in the fucking driving here. That's right. Just because I love Logan looking back. I'm like he's grinning, yes. He's titties. Good. Because titties. So that's. Logan gets a call to the liberty Moto where he finds Laura and Gabriella. Gabriella says there are men off to them. They need help going north to Canada lugging. Dismisses it saying that anybody can do that job, by the way man. How many herb is did she call to get Logan? Oh, yeah. Well, I don't know. Can you can you request buddy, who were Cam? I didn't think he can be a weird. Let's, let's spend fifteen minutes talking about this. Yeah, let's, let's get Uber. On the line guys, we're gonna we're gonna peci three to San Francisco. Rubas on the line gives suck it. It's twenty Twenty-nine fuck it. I'm sure there's some way, I don't even think it's going to be on us. Yeah. He fucking can just run his own shit, you know. Yeah. Chauffeur's lugging fifty K Gabriella collapses. She argues with the motel manager fat ass back into the office, you'll get your money that fucking part little mama seek. It's going to have to pay for that. I hope them, which one if this guy, sl- slipped your throat butter would come out fuck, like I was I was hoping he would stab ravioli porn out of her leg. Did she she's on the ground and she's still asking for money? Yeah, she's got money. I've seen her do. Oh, dude. I just I wish I could pause the movie and just kind of lean into Logan be like, no one would know she's even gone just like real quiet like come onto these people always wanna see fucking slaughtered, and movies like this. I just want to see Laura just fucking extend a clause and just dude, his when she starts coming out, Gabrielle is like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like she's very like, don't touch her like her. And you can tell it's not for Laura. Right. Exactly. Gabriel tells lugging that she was a nurse in Mexico City. She was engineer the Boorda got away for men who knew who now. No. This is out. I little instance, Logan spots x-men comic dude, this whole element of it is fucking awesome. Like bringing early being met up at bringing the whole letting us know what the X men in this world is fantastic. Like duck, faintest his great thing. And look, I'm going this, the only prize that I have a faint. The star of that movie spoilers mandis boilers, this law that movie they get called up by the president, and like they actually well earned actually, I heroes. I love that element of it. I love that element that the X men something the legend the legendary like you know what I mean? It's it's mythology now right? I actually read something. This is on the verge dot com early on and Logan and older beaten down. Wolverine comes across a pile of Intradex comics spitting. The stories is hyper ball, he'd Bassim fabricated, the comics for more than throw a gag, though, there to propel the story's plot some of the plot in the questions about here wisdom mythology. Ising whatever of the past that is to say any random uncanny x comic wouldn't have worked speaking to slash film in February director, James Mangold noted that marble, permitted them to use comics in the film provided, they were not real issue. So they turned Joe they provided to chief chief creative officer Joe Kasahda and artists Dan. Piano. A peninsula in to create his own. These aren't real comic books but he was like dude, we were totally playing off that like late sixties seventies eighties. Like vibe, like, more, specifically the eighties. I. Yeah. 'cause I can man look at these, like one of them's like the pterodactyl with the blue or the purple shorts like, dude, I remember that from from kid. I remember that character so well and it's, it's, it's so crazy 'cause he does look a little different. He has two lines going down his head. There aren't usually they're like, in the in the Reiter comic book and shit, and like the regular characters, it's a hair, different like it's tiny bit different in some shots, like that's cool. I like that. I like the way it looks. It's, it's interesting ads these, it's great world building layer of, like, you know. Yeah. About what you've heard a quarter of this is true. It's not even fucking accurate. You know exactly it's kind of like. Chinese whispers or something here on the grapevine, and it's like this was real. And now like everyone's everyone's like blown out of proportion. This is not what it was a love it works. I will extent acidly. Gabriel office. Gabriel gives lug twenty K saying that her friends will give him the remaining thirty K on completion and her boyfriend wants to kill her and take daughter to take a Laura Gabriel plays leg and saying that they have to get to North Dakota by Friday or all they'll miss their chance across. So this is the mission. Right. This is L, if you compare this to Weston's which, this movie is right. It is compared to westerns quite often. This is very west into me like this whole kind of, like I need to take protect this person, and get them from point a to B. I talked about on the lay on costs that this movie does this fantastically. But I think I think the best pace of media at that to have done this element is the lost of us like Joel, and Ellie, getting them from point, a debate, man like that story USO dialed into that thing. And when lugging came out it's like holy shit. He looks like Joel from the house of us. You know what I'm saying? Like I I'm here for this and it's just it's sorry fucking awesome. Dude, like this whole kind of, like his you'll mission get her from here to there, and that's it. It's done. It sounds as e but it's better. It's easier than done. Oh, by the way, Sony is totally looking to expand the last of us remastered on Xbox One, Sony as fully supporting the latest PlayStation. For console expanding. The library of exclusively games in the coming latest dish into this library is a remastered version of the last of us coming to XBox because I'm an XBox. I've always wanted to play that game but I'm not buying PlayStation just for that game. I'm not even kidding fucking day. One that shit. Like I bought the played it went on three, the dead came out in both the Ray Monsanto wanna pass folded. Like I was just like damn. But I'm also got an XBox, you can fuck and believe that I'll buy that shit again for XBox. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's one of those two. Okay. So Beckwith Charles leg tells him that he's going to go away for a few days. He's gonna get some good money than they're gonna buy the but will way be safe. There, Charles says, yes. Lugging goes to meet with Gabriella funds ruins being broken into and find her dead. Diane, I heard. Yeah, I know. I mean, I guess you just looks like she was being designed maybe even then. Yeah. But I expected him to turn around in the chair, and it's just like the ring were head fucking rolls off. See her face all contorted and shits like scary movie, three, are you? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We've references like five times in a year. The thing is, I don't know how to cover scary movie three. How the fuck that movie Frankenstein, young Princeton show me, how hard it is purity films like you're just going to quote at all time, and who cares it. It's funny fuck it. Just do it. Exactly, exactly. Lugging guys back to the hideout, Caliban funds the truck of the trunk of urban finds a backpack before they figure out who's it is a truck rolls onto the compound and out walks his piss us about the old man. I'd like to meet him mentions that his brain is, is clauses of weapon of mass destruction. Hey. Says that it's damn shame what's happening Beck. Aced, what happened back? Aced, right. Like as not really first clue, but we're getting a little bit of. We're getting more and more puzzle paces, as to what happened to the other expert, ride and why lugging and then went down here right down south. Yeah. We're being drip, fed exactly how much we need. And when we need it, and that's really about it. Yeah. Right. Which is which is fucking perfect, dude. Like giving us his massive sequence of exposition like making us guests. And that's fantastic. Love that. Wasn't over. The Gill is not the only one that's paid in hazard. I love his. Yeah. The Saji there's no much say J in this movie, but the word works sorry where they use it and accounts it fucking works. I love it. Right. It's, it's just little stuff. You know some guys have metal legs. One of them guys have like mental arm. It's not like they have a robot Neo fighting on their side. It's like, oh, let's kinda cool like, even you know, later on with with logos clone. It's still it's a flesh and blood thing, it's not like CG you're a machine, or something like that. I thought it was a good choice. The fact that it's organic and not like Terminator or something. Right. And look that might have been a store like that might have conscious decision by James Mangold not have that, but it also could've been budgetary constraints. Because don't forget that this movie cost a lot less to make than, I guess, other x-men men movies, right? Like this is a much smaller scale film. So, yeah. Okay, so can cups. A metal pop to the head, as we kind of officially meet Laura executives taken a liking to telling that it's going to be okay. I always loved her. She goes and snatches back from lugging just way. She looks at lug injured. Holy shit. Yeah. Do you wanna talk about definitely Kane? Yeah. You know, I, I think that she does a good job. I. I heard that she beat up, she beat up Millie Bobby Brown for this that they both auditioned and Millie Bobby Brown was like, you know, don't me wrong with love to be in that movie. But at the same time kinda glad I'm not I'm not getting typecast as the scifi girl, you know, the quiet non speaking, Sifi girl. And I think the Daphne king does a great job. But like if you wanna put it under maestro, there's some times where she's just she only has the two modes. She has just deadpan doing it ever, she wants or she has that, you know, that kind of growl and stab kind of thing. And I think the only reason why okay with that is because what she's like ten or eleven maybe, you know, so she's ten or eleven plus used this thing that's been raised in, you know, in this, you know, in a facility, and she hasn't really had a full range of experiences. You know, she never even had fucking birthdays and shit. So and willing to let us slide a little bit more. But I think that like in that makes sense to me, why her character is like that. But I think if they needed her to have. A bit more range. I think she's lacking, a little bit just because our standards for for, you know, thinking if I'm thinking child acting though. I'm thinking, like her Natalie Portman, Bobby Brown, and those are like three three best female child acting I've ever seen anything. They're just all three of them are great. But I think Daphne keen, she's lacking and some parts. But I mean still she's like an eight out of ten like she just she knocks out of the park with most of the time she knocks out there's, there's a couple of things I changed, but not much. Yeah. I don't really bump up against performance at old man, like, especially for like, what they've set up like you Braise it pretty well. She is this like thing that's being. And like I guess, Khanna like a fucking textural life like when she gets added into the fray world like she's kind of, like, you know, exposed to a whole different number of things. Like I like that she is kind of like a little bit more of an Android. Little bit. Little bit more robotic. But like when she did when she emerged because she needs to sell that funnel, sane but lugging like you, you need her to have that reaction to Logan's death when it comes. And I think I think she just cells that fucking say, well, man like like she does raise. Well, she does a quiet. Well, and she does the confusion well as well. I think I think I think we can't really. Yeah, I don't know. I don't really have a problem with what with her in this movie at all. We'll get that final scene. We'll get to it. Oh. Guys. This is the end of. You just keep that dick in your pants until the end. Mr. Logan tells Caliban take them after the wash to take his after the washing dumped him dude when he fucking kicks piss. Kicks his. Hey, his you are dead. Now, you kick them with an animated foot that has a boot on it with it. That's like RoboCop coming up in just like. Just like crushing housing lung to look Khalil, the man like I mean, I like when he kicks him. And I'm like, dude, you're I would love it. They cut back to Pearson. Just like there's a dent in his forehead like. Well, I wasn't dead doodo sticky like fucking cracked skull like his forehead is like eight made is away. What is the purpose? Here. He gives Caliban the gun. So cabin will just shoot him and dump him. I guess I soon that's what's happening. Like why don't you just kill him here? Like, why don't you just kick his fucking head in, like just crushed the skull? I don't know. I mean, I guess you have to go movie bullshit, but it's like I if they're not going to kill him under understand why they're going on here and dumping them. You know, just assumed like he gave Kelvin's gun to dump with. With with his buddy. Oh, see. I thought it was like, hey, take him out there. The fuck rhythm. We're out of a get rid of all the evidence kind of thing, right? Because you think he thinks he's by himself for this minute. And then he's like we're at it here. He's, I go get rid of him, and we're gone. I've got the money for the Sunseeker we're leaving. We're in the fuck outta here, right? Xavier watches, Laura or shades cereal. And, you know, you can say on communicating with the telepathically. And tells lug in that Gabriel is not Laura's mother lug and forces him to take the pills adamant that she is a mutant the luggage, not having it. We catch up with Caliban as he dumps pays his buddy. One of my favorite moments in this time, maybe closes the door paces already up and you just seeing the background the fucking convoy, your fuck nam moody. Yeah. Yeah. Love it. Our level of lugging gets wind of it. It's not a Tutu. Yeah. Tesla. Look or. It's not a Choo Choo, shoves into his car and takes off, dude. Love it says that the girl isn't that problem? He didn't go fuck. He's like by this is nothing to do with me. Right. This is not X men two. X men. Three logan. This is a guy who's just Saint so much shit and just wants out like he does not give fuck about anyone else even a little go. I love it. Lugging con get out of the compound because he's cornered. By the way, man, like these fucking federalize that with peers rights are fucking joke. I'm a non-energy rainier and actually nonagenarian. Buck that up. Yeah. You did. Octagenarian. That's where you're eighty to eighty nine or something. Yeah. Oh, say octagon nightside's eight right? Okay. I was like nonagenarian see saying, like I don't like hold age. Generic like age. No, no. Lugging shape briefly here, fucking dirt. Did you notice the guy with the gun? No, his, his aesthetic. It's not even a nom. He's not holding one. He's his is a gun. Check it out. He's behind Logan the whole time. Yeah. Yeah I see it now. Holy shit. Never caught them before. Like is that an attachment like if you to fucking shopping center to get some groceries like, do you gotta take that shit off? Yeah. That is at work. He marries, a case of like shit. I'm gonna call this right here at thirty four twenty two. Ding, ding, ding naming money shot. That is fucking the best shot of the movie in my opinion. When he is what did you do with Caliban? Well, I left him in the same issue was gonna leave me. And then he just turns in he rifts that claw. Oh, yeah. But like the shot of everything right behind him. And the guy grabbed him like the way it's framed is like flawless like the way it looks like with Logan on the right. We have we but Pierce far back enough from Utah. I'm a fan of seeing Sean where something that's a little bit farther away in. There's something in the foreground of it. That whole shot is fucking great because he this is Logan's instinct, to just rip into these motherfuckers. He just kits fucked up right? There's a raisin like that show was used very prominently in the trial is man. It's fucking beautiful. Yeah, that's my favorite shot is fucking fantastic. Piss and his men to go get Laura and boy, oh boy. Does this kick something off, by the way, the guy that sent in to get a this looks like chocolate del like the, you know what's funny? He actually is a UFC fighter. All right. I can. If you give me a second, I'll just look up his name. Cannot fuck. You remember because I thought about that too. Is it every fucking UFC fighter on this? Where what is his name? Laura walks out threats fucking, Chuck's head appears man, I love Pierce being slightly annoyed when he says, he's like Laura. It's like he's like, like, Bailey, sort of phased at this, like decapitated head, isn't it? Isn't it meddle in his neck, like his head kind of like? Enhanced thing as well. Did you notice? I did not even look because as much as I like it, I kinda wish when she comes out and she throws the head that the that the it's such a small Nick. But if the face hadn't landed so perfectly have always always the mohawk kinda like that's fucking weird. I, I'm not even gonna try to pronounce guy's name. It's like his Kosinski took chink co. It's, it's something crazy. He's literally called mohawk in the God damn movie mohawk. He's fucking jacked. Yeah, that guy's fucking huge. Yeah. Man. But I love as fucking awesome. Dude. I, I really wish that we didn't say this in the trial is man, like this was just like I wish this reveal was in the movie and not in the trial because Laura just slowly like advancing and just like she extends a close. Love the music dude. Fucking piss command, stop, but Cran stop. Wagon that finger always so good. It's awesome. He he controls it so well man as a federal is thought to make a move. But man, I love like when she gets super close. And he's like, all right. Go like this. We have we have lost control of the situation and this case off fantastic action sequence. It will even exposition they do. Okay. You know, we have stuff at the radio at the beginning, it's a little heavy handed. But I can I can tolerate that much and that's about it because they all take off. And even this part of fifty fifty don't like do like where he's like, stop. She heels they all take off. See you've revealed me that she has caused and she hills in thirty seconds. Like maybe a healing factor would be a nice little reveal like something like that kinda like how the back claws on the feet work. I'm like, oh, cool. I didn't see that coming. But I still I, I would have liked to have seen, I guess, if she has the clause, you can start to assume that she's probably gonna have the healing factor. But. Like you said, you know, I don't need this all in thirty seconds. It does it does come quick. But I mean look at his nitpicking, look, I'm not like oh, fuck riding tending it off, like I it's just like a small little niggle, lex Melilla moins. But whatever. Third. Let's, let's talk about the section sake. When I didn't have nights for this fantastic. I could say all in capital letters, and then I'll just read foot claws. Yeah. That's about as well as you could sum this up because. I mean her. The kind of standout moments are this for one when she's end the refinery, she wraps at dude up takes down stabs him in just stares at him. And it's just like. And in runs out of frame like that. Like she's so quick. And I think that's what's interesting about wolverine wolverine was like a in. He's definitely fast. And he's Phero, but he was more of a plant your feet and dodge and we've and kind of get in there. You know he wasn't. He wasn't like a night. Crawler nimble agile that wasn't that agile? But with, with, with Laura she's like that. She has that night crawler dare she's like daredevil with Claus. That's when I fucking life, because I'm a big daredevil fan and I love his like, in fact, ethnic, had she does martial arts. She is a gymnast. So a lot of the stuff like she has a stunt will obviously, but a lot of stuff she could actually do. And she was really good like the basic stuff. I five fucking love how mobile she is in, like, I actually wrote, I like an idea for like a like a comical character like a female complicated or kind of thing and somebody instead of instead of sitting there swapping blows, you know, with somebody in the using the tactical quick strikes in the right locations. She got knees. She striking arteries in the back leg, she's cutting throats, like she's a mobilizing people, and she starts with the legs on a lot of in just brings them down. And that's what's fucking grade. That's it's very smart. What she's doing right? The Cario cafe in the style of it is really until they've put some fucking thought into this man. There are couple times where I'm just like man James, just pull the camera back a little bit a little bit. A little little too tight on him. But look, I'm not having this, especially like when they get outside, and it's just like it looks beautiful man like this fucking Dan's of debt that she does with these guys them, we'll the dust and sand everywhere. We should talk about the lighting here, actually because I was reading that almost all of their lighting, if they were inside was like one or two lights, and that was it everything's very dark when they do the lighting on a lot of stuff is natural like when they're inside. And he's like, oh, no to chew look mature like almost all of that lightest pouring in through the windows through the skylight. There's like an open hole in the top of it. Like a lot of this is natural lighting. Even when he goes into the hotel. It's the one light on the nights in. That's it like a lot of the lighting of this is ruin. You kind of know that it's one of the things that you're not really paying attention to, you know, and you're like holy shit. It's such a great job with this. It's, it's really good. It does it does look fantastic. It just looks. Visually striking like it stands out from other films of this, and it just likes to look very unique. But yeah, they fucking make a run for I love. I love the stuff of the cause and the fucking chain link fence, man. Like this guy is poll fucking mud about God just gets -absolutely slammed against that Bill. Holy shit. Oh, do like one of the little details is so great is when they all start firing into the limo for one thing, her entrance into limo is fucking amazing that awesome. They roll up on her and almost sitter, and she just she rolls on top of the hood in the just parks, herself and disclose into the car when they start shooting. She, she grabs Patrick Stewart and like holds him. She's like no. I can handle this. You can't that is fucking amazing detail. That is so cool. And I've never caught that before she smart enough to know. This guy's knock on a survivor this if I don't do she's already being hero as locking cool. She's already being here, but it's also like she's very combat trained like that. You because you had to think about well, Gabriel says leda like fucking exposition dumb. She. Like that would training these kids to be soldiers, but you know what I mean, that, that is something soldier would do like, you know, fucking die for their brethren? All right. And she's having to fight full grown men. So she's kind of already adapted, you know, and as a debt to this. Yeah. It's cool man. One of my favorite kills always happens inside the limo. It's fucking the stabbing through the gloss and just read around. What are you gonna? What are you gonna happen, dude? What did you think what's going to happen, when it's imagine there are two giant bees, in this car, and they can sting you through the car on the fucking car like like that's so stupid. Fucking red shirts. Can you too? Yeah. So off, they make the getaway they cut off by behind the train, right? After get away lugging once who Laura is child respond saying that Logan knows who she is. And that she should remind him of somebody main while we say Caliban being tortured with his using the sunlight to head him. Yeah. But the way. Little running that they're looking for. But they wanna bird, call Sunseeker. Yeah. I mean, a course toys like why you know what am I going to come at night? Stay below deck. It is it is pretty funny. You know, I bet you I still think if they get the boat Calvin now I'm not going all stay here. I don't I I even I don't think that he would wanna go even if they invited him, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Let's this, this whole torture Seko's man, you can feel the pain that it's causing fucking Caliban pass, once Caliban track, Laura for him, beware. The light man wild. Okay. So this is. This is one of the gripes have about this movie. This Beck story via this video that Gabriella records about transition. Little too long, and I don't like this. Two of them. Oh, yeah. That it cuts out in the kind of gives us like, yeah. I mean I can take it or leave it, you know. Like if the video if we lost this whole thing of them going in the convenience store in him getting the phone charger in her in the snack stuff. Like, I don't hate it. It's funny and I do like it. I think maybe it might be there for a little comedic relief possibly. But other than that it's not completely necessary because even then like this found footage style. Like when Richter is bringing the blocks out of his room like the walls like that looks just like a movie. That is look like something you shot on a cell. Right. Right. But all the stuff in the hallway of the kids going in, and you can tell she's kind of trying to hide it and stuff. That's cool. I like that personally, it doesn't bother me, but I think your point is totally valid, I will say to me is just brings. It just brings everything to grinding halt. Right. We'll see. I don't know. I think in some ways, we might need this. Because look, we're, we're forty six minutes in. We know that there are no mutants that it's a future. Logan's die. Professor x has disease Calvin Hanko out in the sun. Laura's a clone of then this woman's died like, whoa. This a lot of shit right off the rim. They've had to kind of dump a lot of stuff. I think it's okay, it's okay at this point, because we also have to introduce who these kids are like what is going on there? What this year remiss if they're using what the kids are possibly capable of, like for what they do. I guess, like the, the scene of the kid telepathically hitting the guy instructing him and shit like you can cut some of this out. We don't need to see like all of this. But I do think it's kind of I think it's kind of necessary because we've had two bad ass action scenes, we've had the introduction of several characters in several points. Maybe it's time to kind of pause. Do a little mini intermission. Just kind of see where red gather everything, kinda go forward. It doesn't bother me in that way. But it can absolutely be shorter. You are right. I think I think we're kind of, like really rub up against it is because it's just I wish lugging had found this information out doing something else other than watching a mobile phone video. It feels it feels a little too passive me like it feels a little lazy considering how, how all of the other reveals in this movie fantastically. Well done, it just feels kind of likes to sticks out a little a little bit more than the others. It doesn't work the movie at all. It doesn't break them. It's just a little. I think that. I mean for one thing, why don't we give Charles a little bit of a redemptive scene, where he may be he meal against Mogens wishes. He's like, I'm just gonna read her mind and see what's going on. And we can see through that, you know, where it kind of gives Charles chance to be somewhat useful and not just like a burden and he can actually do something kind of like the with horses. We can sprinkle in another one of those scenes shows him like he can be resourceful. But it's kind of like at a price. I mean I don't know. That's just kind of idea right off the rip, but I do appoint she's on the horse right, behind her is a big fucking ad says hypno- and there's two there. And if you're looking when they're in the limo looking at her, there's two of them right, fucking there, and I was like, how did I miss this shit? It's everywhere. I did not enough saying this he's fucking times. I still have not caught on she's even drinking a fucking candidate this Hitler shit. One of my. I always hated this, this. Okay. So what I'm about to show you is legal in the US and Canada. I hate that I wanted she add the US and Canada, just lay out that part of the say, what I'm sure he was legal. I've never really paid a fan of that line. I like the way she's kinda like the way she's just. Essentially, we say these kids big experiments on, we say them h have special mutations, one of them looks like a young Rami. Malik. Yeah. He does. That's richter. Yeah, there's a couple of them like the kid, one of them's based off of a complicated or called avalanche like when you look at, when he's looking at their pre pork later source DNA, the kid who the short chubby black kid who shoots electric trysofi and the Rami molecule kit, or actually, based off to real men like marvel characters. There were hardly ever use. That's cool. I love when they do little, she liked that. That's awesome. The arrest in the bellies of Mexican girls. Who now cannot be located yuks some X-Files ship. A love the contrast of the gruesome shit. We here, then we say, the adorable image of Laura rotting on the motorized loss could shit? There's a little bet celebration peace walks in as left the quick, little line birthday Nobre. Blame like waves the fucking those wanna fucking dick. Yeah. This is also we've made Dr Russ Wright played by Richard E grant, who tells one of the message that we do not trust them off a Halloween. We do not call them baby kiss boos, do not think of them as children. Think of the mist things with patents and copyrights, damn I love when you look at Xavier's face. And he said, we do not, you know, we do not just my friend. We do not see, I feel like that hurts him. Doubly more she's like a fucking teacher. Like, that's exactly what I did. That's all I did. I give it hit him so much harder. Oh, that's fucking cool. It's very quick. Didn't even consider that. Yeah. That's sucking guts. That's awesome. Also, Richard grant, man like we I like him. He doesn't get too much to do in this movie. He's gonna be in the new stall was really can't say who he plays probably. Yeah. Yeah. Probably I order general because his British. Oh, yeah. That guy man. That's that's good. That's a good pick that I didn't know that it is. We say the kids doing yoga, practices Gabriella tells us that they're making soldiers and killers before we get any more luggage better, does, as lugging of lookout, Laura lose his shit because the whole stop Xavier tells Logan, that she's his daughter that Alkali had his genetic code, but Lonzo like you're not the father going on. I don't have time for this shit Logan. No. I'm not listened to. I have to p. Fucking good. He gets mad fucking Patrick Stewart does this whole thing is there's like moments in this just I fully comedic, and it just breaks the series of it. I love it. He's so giddy when they're leaving. And it's like they're being shot at like violently like you see what their car looks like when they roll up to this casino, and he's just like Logan. Don't forget about the show. Oh man. There's, there's actually some great delivery when he's being loaded up. Logan's like fuck the girl he's like Logan, please. No. You can't leave the girl. It's so fucking good. Man. I, I can't believe I went past out. He's great. He sells the shit out of that. Like urgency he does man fucking, it's to it. It's Petric's to it. Like a stupid to think that he couldn't fucking bowl. This off lugging bags of your in the can is Laura's searching fulfilled through the gestation. She staunches his click, who looks like a little, like our intelligence with. The same thing. Because he does it. I was like holy shit. Is johnson? Not. Okay. A love. Is this really good? This is. Yeah. This is. Remember this very, very clearly in the trial is led and grabs the phone and Tagab full leaving with Laura and Logan. Which is the rest of the video, doesn't he super disturbing as Laura fucking cuts, and then hails them that just the way she's sitting in the sound effects of it. Yeah. Really says that they couldn't be controlled man. The kid running off the roof. Jake Zoli shit. That's a whole other layer right there. That's really takes it home. You're like. A soldier who will not fight as useless Gabriel says they're working on something better than the children, something without a soul, and that they must have been successful. And the because this, this is told him to try they told him as shut the program down putting the children to sleep dial. Gabriel says she read about a place mutants a sanctuary cold Aden. She says there's no money in that Laura is not her child. But she loves her says at lug and may not love her, but she is his child, she begs him to take to safety. Man. This this, this is the mission. You've been braved he ago I like that. It kind of feels like Mad Max here wrote a little it feels like you have this point bay that you've been given we don't really know it yet. But when lugging sorts death, the fucking the existence of the cycled Aden. All the grain price Mad, Max I love that. What keeps them going? Is this hope and belief that'll beta that? You know despite despite despite rumors despite all fucking, everything, telling you on the contrary that it's probably not gonna bay the I'm going to get you because that's my mission. I love that. I love that lament of it. And that's something that by fear, right? And log into hell. So, so, well, I think you also take the protagonist and you get him to a point where their back against the wall where it's like this, this possible. Nothing is better than something that I even have right now. Mike. I mean, for Laura, it's like it's she's forced to. She asked to like, there's no way. I mean she could she would get on the street. Get picked up probably murdering someone over a Snickers bar. And then she'd be right back with Alkali. So I think it's interesting seeing the position that these characters are, are actually kind of like their hands are forced into these things. And I mean, this is something in road trip movies. Even you know, you wanna take something like this, or fury road, or even like planes, trains, non-mobile, dude, a dumb and dumber like it's been in so much stuff. I actually love the sex drive, isn't it the one fucking hilarious? The movie I love the cross country road trip kind of feel of stuff had. I think that's I think it's great. Then I think it works really well here because it's a western sense, of well, love the wagon up. We're going to the next down because the gold, stride up, you know, like, that's just kind of the feeling that I get from it is this constant packing up in moving, like, like a caravan like a western, you know, I think it's kind of interesting that Logan drives a long black limousine kind of like a long black stagecoach kind of thing drawn carriage. So I think there's enough room for everybody to sleeve the provisions on it like I, I don't know drew a little bit of a parallel just now from that and it's and it's very simple ride like it's, it's very simple. It's very easy to follow. It's not this X men puck lip situation where you have a villain from fucking times or wants to fuck attack out of the world and do all this shit to kill all the other humans. And it's not that it's just a two bay get their alive. Like you know what I mean? Like it's. Official. Like that. That's about halfway or actually, it was just may being lazy with the most because I was just like you take over. 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That's, that's so having the, the backing vocals that he gives me. Yelling. We're Jovan ripe and before we do, we're not jumping ROY back in, but I I it's funny we're actually talking about expert of the series in south because. The creators of this, now the dark Phoenix and Logan, and everything's been taken off of, you know, the thing that the, the, the cartoon the one that ran ran for five seasons in seventy six episodes. So they're actually talking about bringing this back. They're talking about bringing it now the dark Phoenix of it's in limbo, because Disney marvel cited what they to do with it. So yeah, they're, they're thinking about bringing back the animated series right now. Trying to make a comeback, according to a report from Boris kit and the team at the Hollywood reporter the creators behind a series. This fan much of the nineties is currently working to put together a pitch for a team at Disney. Okay. Cool. The report quotes X men artists Leary. Houston is that the goal to continue right where the show ended? So that's pretty fucking cool. I they did dark Phoenix naturally. Well, it, it's really cool shit and the show did you ever watch that grownup? It was never really my jam. Matted fischel. I'll do that. Fucking bill. The fucking theme song. Like to be that was just like Mighty Morphin Power Rangers didata dented identify, Dan air like those two tub. No, dude. Big little. Little three your shredding and gross explodes in front of them. Yeah, exactly. The actually, the end of the X men theme song, kind of almost sounds like dual fates like the end of one is like this bump up on bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-ba bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-ba it always reminded me of dual face, but it's an amazing things on love. I loved that cartoon it's even as super cheesy is probably it is now. Before we get into it. I, I have a question for you. And I'm not sure if you want to answer it here, or at the end of the episode because it is a it is kind of a big a big deal like like it's kinda like the elephant in the room, if anything are any. The X men joining the year. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I hit that at the end. Yeah, yeah. Let's, let's think about it as he goes on. We hit it at the. Okay. Well, let's end we've got Logan Laura Charles arriving at the hotel. They're getting some closed or going to catch some rest, did, you know, the Daphne keen is digital and all these, like she wasn't allowed in the casino. She's not of age. So they actually had to shoot her on a green screen and all of that stuff with her in the casinos digital while fucking hands off. Like, like I fucking never would have. What's our hands off hats off? I never would have noticed that I had to read it to catch it. And I was like holy shit. That's also one of like, because also Logan's 'push pot of leggings faith rather movie, is also digital. No. I did not like there's a there's video online on YouTube, basically, it's full the scarring and his aging as well. Yeah. Read shit like on his face kind. Right. Right. Exactly. So, like there's some really subtle CJ Waco on this movie. No, it's fucking great. I love the way that they do this the way that they handle all their CGI's. I've harped this times on this podcast, practical over digital all the way. Lauren Charles watch Shane slogan goes over this paperwork, that she's got sees the x men comic. I love this confrontation that they have, you know, hey, look, we got ourselves here, next men fan is, of course, they're all bullshit, about a quarter of it actually happened, not like this. There's been some theories on the internet. The writers of this comic book in Logan are actually X men, because what he says, is, you know, it's written by some self promoting asshole, like so is this, like an X men writing a comic book about their time as X men like because is Eden, it's I think it's a coincidence, that Richter's able to get hold of somebody over in Canada, as like who would actually be there. That's what I don't understand. Like, who would have these exact coordinates, only if you read the comic Booker, maybe it's a group of kids who read the comic book, and it was real for them before anything ever happened with Laura, and their group. So I'm wondering are there other. What we know that. Seven X men dies were probably talking. Well, nightcrawlers storm be cyclops, you know, like probably the main ones, you know, maybe maybe mystique maybe night, crawler, you know, shit like that. But I'm wondering what she doesn't sit in the in that radio yoyo referencing radio about seven X men, dying, I don't a must be running this, but I thought it was seven mutants stud several of them as were ex-pm. I think will when you're when you're reading, she's like, what six hundred people were injured and seven people were killed, including members of the in cuts off. And even you know, so funny on my captions on YouTube is literally says several members of the x men like even though she cuts out, it actually says that's fucking cool. But I guess it's not particularly seven has an to be seven of the X men, but I think there are definitely seven mutants though they get killed in this Westchester incident as it's known. Logan leaves. Look for a new ride discovers that this Eden is in fact, from the comic books that Laura has been reading what did you think about this revelation right here? Like what the fuck has been right in front of them this whole time? We're like an hour in. Yeah. Look, I'm I liked it. I liked it. It was kind of like oh shit. My full phila-. Like it was just like, well, now I'm not gonna do this because it's all fucking made up. And it's just a whole bunch of bullshit. But then again, it's kind of like what I was talking about before the break. They're doing this on belief like just off of belief like that it's going to be there. And I love I love that element of it feels very west intimate, feels very like we constantly, we have no evidence that it's day we actually have evidence going in the opposition that we that is probably not going to be there. But because this is what we need to do because this is what I promised someone that I was going to do, then I'm going to get you the m I I love that. Like I yes it is like an hour, and it's just like oh, shit his revelation that exists. But it's just also like that ever wrote it for me that whole kind of, like, we, we need to be like, we need to get the. Yeah, it honestly, even reminded me of it because in the in the story, it's like like or even the new movie. No. In Mike, Cox back that gun and shoots it and it's not loaded. But it actually injures anyways is like you believe in it, therefore that Israel because you believe in it. But yeah he he goes nearby this truck. I love that. He's like, I'm gonna give you tend to forget about the pay for well, you still need new tires, man. They're bold this. This is good. This going back to the store, the guys like already talked to all the cops, and it just cut outside and you hear him screaming like, that's their do what you don't the theater of the mind is always stronger than if they showed us doing something crazy to him. In my mind's fucked up. Like, I'm I'm so that one of these guys is writing the stood or. Yeah, or they're like, shoving this guy's arm and a deep fryer, like back there, like uh something crazy. But Logan, Rives back at the hotel, just in time as Pierce men have arrived and exhibit your started have another seizure. Queue, this Batta slow murder crawl has, I have in my Nosema go, the other, they're holding back with ropes like, like I guess they're green green colored rose. But they did it because I want the real look of me tugging to get into this place. And even right away, when he shows up the car, slamming into each other. It's like oh, that's just like right there in the first five seconds. You see the damage that this can possibly cause of what he doesn't mention if he's on a plane in this happens like holy shit. You know, you start like the logistics like the, the logistical nightmare of, like, because he does this, this shut off in Bogo, blah, like, oh my God. That's that's fucking that, you know, you, you can kind of understand we're Logan comes from now where he's I can't have you out in public like this anymore. He's a bright nuke. Yeah. One of my favorite moments in this entire sequence. They'd like I it's, it's, it's awesome to put yourself in the shoes of, like one of these soldiers, especially this fucking guy who like really, really quickly, you see is, is turn as he say's Logan coming firm, and it's just like, oh, BOK conto anything to stop this. Fucking three metal claws coveted fucking slice my face. Yeah. Having having to like literally watch your death like slowly slowly like being paralyzing snake, just each you from the feet down or feta. It's like oh, God. The sauce into watch it because it's just like like the way the way that buddies like Bailey moved because they're in this kind lex stasis like as he as he like fucking stuff. To just absolute destroy each of these guys like their bodies move. They move like, like, like they're just frozen in time, which they, it's also but I also like I also like this, this little quick little shot of piss just watching on the screen in his little Ave. And he's just like stuck his this, like, I'm watching this. But I can't do anything just just quickly. What do you think about this as a as a villain d like him as like a I kind of liked that he's kind of sort of as Alie overcome like he's not this big villainous, bad guy like he's just this military guy like trying to hunt them down? Like I, I like that of it. Right. Well, I think when you take, you've got Charles Caliban Logan, Laura. You've got four of them, and maybe he has this army, but they're an army of dude would just guns. And at the end of the day, even Laura can I mean you pumper full of bullets and she would just be fine? She would bounce back from it, Logan, not so much. But still. Just the fact of all of them combined. Like look at Charles sister, slight flick of the wrist, and he's able to just like destroy all these people. So it's like, yeah, you might have numbers, but we have we have, like, what is this story about these to this town that was going to be attacked and Afghantistan, and they sent five people out to fight a force of one hundred people, and they're like, why would you do that? And the king was like, I would rather send five sheep than five hundred lions or sorry, five lions than five hundred cheap and it's like, oh, that's fucking cool. Like, you know, it, it just pumped it I always liked that kind of story it's the quality of what they can do versus just a bunch of dudes metal arms and guns, who aren't used to probably fighting mutants because there hasn't been one around in twenty fucking years. They've been dying off. Right. But I have Clinton era, right. I, but I do like him as a villain. I think he's good. He's not the big bad. He's not a bumbling dumb ass. But he's like you said he is flat, publi valuable, and that makes him a little bit more three-dimensional in my opinion. I think there was a works. I think it works out. Well, absolutely, dude, I love Logan gives them the shot just in time. They probably get the fuck outta dodge exert. You're having to be wheeled through all the people. And he's like, I'm sorry. I'm so and dude. Writing heart. Fucking breaking dude, like, seeing like him actually have to witness like of all these people were dead. He'd have a heart attack. Like that's that's fucking awful. The have to drive him through that shit. But yeah, they get the fuck out of dodge on the road, Laura, and executor argue over their relationship and their purpose with Laura. This is good conversation between them. This was one of my highlights of it. Not only just for exhibitor when he's sticks his tongue out talking about that pills. That's so fucking great. Like you said his comedic timing in this when it when it's perfectly timed and it's just enough. It's so funny. But this conversation with them is so fucking grey. Like, you know, do you do not derive any sense of purpose for doing his. No absent fucking. None of it, and he's like probably because this is all men and Charles really know that this is all based off the comic book, yet, he's not really. Yeah. He's a he's not really a prone to. He's not privy to the knowledge that Logan has about all this being based off of a comic book and stuff. A lot of this stuff is, is the stuff that I like I haven't played the last of us, but a look at the bunch of screen shots in the him being in the truck and her being the past the I mean it's undeniable the image there when that when that when the trial is for this came out. It was, it was everywhere, like, like the comparisons, pretty even boss boss, logic on Instagram like the guy that we he's awesome, by the way, go, check out at bus logic on Instagram. It's fucking awesome. He remember him like, hey, mucked up like a piece of fan like with Joel and Ellie. And was like a crossover with x amount of con-, really specifically, remember, what elements of X men, they put in there. But it was like, yeah, it was it was it was palpable. Yeah, I this, this conversation so good. Where he's admitting that he that he, he hasn't been taking his medicine, you know, how, how long has been you. Take your. I don't know. He's like fuck. Isn't taking him in two days, you know, you derive no sense of purpose of what we're doing. Oh, this love exurbia writer will just be like everyone else blame someone for your fucking boring shit. God. That's awesome, like apathetic fucking kind of cool. I did this. I did the not. He's like Yoda if iota fell on hard times like you. He's a little bit darker. I love seeing characters like that. And. Oh, yeah. And this week you back to Caliban being introduced to Dr rice, now this is Russ. This is our first, like actual face to face with rice, isn't it? We've seen him in the videos and stuff. Yeah. Because, hey arrives him this helicopter and basically, he's telling off ride like his dislike you'll not in charge of this Iraq, soft Kalaban. And they have they have little little toki. Little talk talk. Yeah. I like it. You know, he he he's trying, you know, trying to play that higher kind of. Oh, we're just, you know, we're trying to stop them for their hurt. Anybody else in doing? Good, right? Every good. Bad guy thinks that they think what they're doing is justified in Marla. Good, right? Yeah. Exactly. This kind of higher morality thing, but. They're on the road. This is where we get your after they're arguing where we figure we learn about Laura's like that clause. You know how the female lioness and a pack is both for vita in both mother Ann hunter. So she has used the back lost of incivility. What did you think about the foot clause 'cause I'm kind of, like I don't really need that, you know, I guess it's cool but like I don't I mean I could have done without it. It's not imperative to the story. You know, it's not like it comes in later is a big thing that she does that Neo like that many bullet. It's not like the back the back claws. The adamant ending a bullet comes later. You know what I mean? Well, here's the thing of the X men and like the like the way they show the pal is. It's cool. You know what I mean? Like it's cool. I don't necessarily Nate from Laura's character, but I'm glad that it's like I'm glad that had like pumped up in an action sequence to be more visually striking. I like that could smell like a it's like that. It was over done like you know what I mean. Like it's just like it's there. And honestly, like the white, she's like Elliot when she's like flipping around doing here like Baletic fucking movements, with action sequences. It's it looks cool, and it's also and the sound effects of two plus it was is actually cool reveal the first time you say the foot claws. It's like shit. This is near right? Because it kind of the first time Logan sees the claws. You're like oh shit. And then he sees to foot close. He's like fuck. Fuck on. This is were introduced months and family with the auto trucks is great world building auto trucks, man. That's to me. That's, that's like on the level of like, I don't know. Like, you know, the, the, the Asian woman drinking, the cola in Bladerunner, like it's this great like building devices far away from this. Like that's nothing like twenty twenty nine we really far away from motor trucks, right. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's not like an even mangled said he wanted to stay away from this like from what he called touch tech like the ironman, everything touch. You know you like the holographic kinda shit. He's I just wanted to stay away from that. And I think that a great job of that, too, with the older trucks. How, how do they work like Asholi there's going to be some kind of emergency brake system assumption? Like like, like you know what I mean? Like Scholley like some fucking all ladies woken in front of the straight. There's gonna be some kind of mechanism for it to be built in for it to stop, like it's not going to Cape going, right. We'll see. That's what I think will is the dad's name he kind of, like when he's talking about all the fact that they're trying to run them off this land mobile, blah. And that's right. Logan's like what happened with auto trucks and wills like no, he's like I wouldn't put it past them. So it's like this might have been an intentional thing which I think it's great. That adds another layer. It's fucking cool. I really really enjoy that. These horses, the horses get out so close to getting by one of this fucking trucks. Ooh, there's one that really comes suppplies date. I'm like, yeah. Like a man, somebody animals, like now that I've had a dog of my own for like a year now. I get like, really like other road like fuck these kids road have used sane Texas chainsaw, the beginning. Now I've never seen any of those movies. Okay. Look, it's not good. But man like the I like I've Ning say quences like literally them hitting a Cal, like dryly Shittu Akao while it's on the road and just fucking goes everywhere destroys the car titled, but yeah, it's, it's brutal. It's vomited chant. Dude, I love Rice's voice role before we get into that. I'm like watching the movie trying to skip it because I, I actually love rice wishers more of him in this. He's great, especially just his his speaking pattern is great. He's got a very been Mendelssohn rerent. No, Richard Richard E grant. I can see him having like a very similar career like Ben Mendelsohn for sure. But they ended up getting these horses back on a loving Xavier another little moment of redemption him, you know, being able to bring these horses back in, they also symbolic just like you know, this wild horse like a wireless talion in a western film, this can't be tamed like that's kind of a bit of a metaphor for Logan as well. Kind of like eggs of your bringing these people in you know, to him. I like it. But yeah, so they, they ended up helping these horses truck out of the ditch they offered a free meal. Great comedic shit from, you know, from from, from Charles. He's like, oh, yeah. You can come in knee with us. Now. We've got that lovely waving his hand adorable. Little old man wave is so fucking great. But this is where we get that conversation with rice, and Callahan, where he's, you know, trying to bargain with him. I just love that he's three very ineffective behind bringing new tools to pair. And I'm like, oh, that's great. I love his speech pattern the way he talks. I really hope that guy just voice acting like his British. For sure. Like I was even like dude, you might like I've been fan casting Mr. freeze lately, and I'm like, dude, I have no problem with this dude being Mr. freeze, I think he'd be fucking cool. Like make him a Lou. That's good. Make him a little bit less dorky than he is in this. He's awake way too excited about all this shit. Hey, was just in something, also, the actually, like I, I heard some I didn't think he was moment. There might be a might be mistaken on that. But that was, it was the movie starring Melissa coffee, which is weird. Can you ever forgive me was the name of the movie? Like it was like a really. Apparently was Oscar sort of favorite, but yeah, it was nominated for three Oscars. And yet he was nominated. Yeah. Yeah. Nominated for best performance by an actor is pointing row damn. I've even heard of that movie. I'll have to check that out parents bread. But so they up inviting them over for dinner over dinner, the two families bond and get to know one another. I think this is great, especially it makes me so sad, the line, where she's like, well, I just want to travel and practice and I bet you will, and I'm like, no, they fucking. Dead in like six hours. Everything that happens is family is just tragic as fuck because just like that deserve it. I remember watching this, dad. I was just like Heqiu heck who was the movie, you know, it was really sad lugging died like it was really sad. Patrick suet died seventeen years, and he's like, I'm just out of that family. That is that shit all American. You know, blue collar people trying to get by and bring forced out like all of this shit that their life has been about like having this farm, trying to get these tractors that he would provide me some new, you know, whatever he says, and then, you know, they've also they're fighting for land. I love the instinct like when the water get shut off the bat like I've heard several times when your water get shot filth about of, and that's so believable, there's such a believable family that again, it fucking sucks like the outcome of them, because everything that you are or have known or ever will be just gets wiped away. It's like nothing in the face of what these people are doing, and they brought this fucking shit to your doorstep. Like, Dan, that's, that's so heavy when you think about to not mentioned like not. For the first time. I mean, I remember which of the fuck and four times this happened when I watch this movie and cinema. But man, this is such a great moment with, like this is early smile and law from lugging this movie. Yeah. That's in my fucking like him, and Laura, except for him getting smirking when they flash him tits at the beginning. That's about it. Right. I love this whole thing where he all drop out of school or careful. You're talking to a teacher there. You know he ran a school is like, oh, it was a special needs school. But how casually he points he was there. Like making him sound kind of like mentally disabled the fuck. I wish I could say you were a good pupil. But the words would choke me. Fantastic. Mistry. Yeah. This guy could I mean, Patrick Stewart could fucking probably charm, my girlfriend into bed like Jesus Christ. He's so fucking. He's, he's so great in this. He so. Oh lindsay. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Lauren logo smile logo. Lauren and Logan mile also realize Warren Logan, five letter L names like this. For the first time the bliss short lived as someone is shutting off the water to the Munson. So I want to give the timing of this. So it's like Laura and Logan smile. And then immediately we pan outside to the trucks, arriving s like immediately. And I remember definitely like cinema. Like people like people love this moment, people love them these two like having finally some kind of solace, like some kind of like happiness and then like I just remember like a couple behind me being on, like you know what I mean? Like audibly just being like on. A love that reaction. Because that's exactly what Mangold is going full, right? Fucking fucking kicks you like right in that God damn teeth. Like, there's no there's no two ways about it. But, but yeah, the this this, this fucking like water. Shut off. In this whole thing about them being forced out of the land. We see a little bit more of the word voting like the corn. He's like, oh, nobody's gear anymore. These I it's all high fructose corn syrup and, you know, this, and the other putting in food, this is what I'm talking about these energy drinks, where I guess we can just kind of like we've been avoiding this whole episode, I guess we're going to get to it as like, Harry, because I knew. What you're talking about. It's rice at the end, Rice's, like you know, we didn't perfect ourselves we need perfect. What we're taking in our food, or drink Bob. Aw. It's all this shit that they've been growing like to kind of polluted in eliminate mutant. So, like it's like, gene correction thing they've put him in stuff like this. This hypno- drink. And that's why we're at the field. We see the corn. We see the drink like constantly. I actually I didn't realize until just now this is so random. So one of the prom kids at the beginning, like you say, you really have noxious thing we usually do on here, when it's like Hoon it's American episode. We one of those kids actually, Chester from are not. His name is Chester in real life is MS Chester. But he's a he's in stranger things. He's like, he's like Steve's best friend in the first season. Chester rushing is his real name, but I had a friend of mine that I worked with at the restaurant, she said one night, they went to high school with this, dude. And he was like hitting robbing like I'm in love with you watch I get the fuck away from me. She's like, and then all of a sudden he's on stranger things like that's so random that, so weird. Like it was such a funny story telling me on I saw every time I see that guy. Now, of course, you're name's fucking Chester like something creepy. But. Oh, yeah. But, you know, they're going to go, and they're gonna shut off the dealing with this watershed off problem before they go Logan, toxics, if you're in for the night, that's doorbell exurbia tells Logan, you know, Logan. This is what life looks like a home with people who love each other. A safe place. You should take a moment and feel it. You still have time like that line. You still have time like again. I'm like dude exhibitor. He's a hundred and fifty years older than you like, like he is. Like I think you don't I I don't think sometimes he takes into account like emotionally out his age. Imagine how emotionally wise that exhibit your is, and double do this guy. I mean he's just like whereas grew up in a mansion and had no, this nice loving family. Logan's I, I mean I murdered my dad when I was when my claws pop like turn don't forget, like, although shores hasn't lived legs life. He knows exactly what Bain threes. He's unlocked his mouth, his mind. Right. The first the first x. Spanned even the side of the second X men, I think actually a big puzzle. Second. X men was Logan leg in going to exert year and being like nature. Unlock this pace of my memory that I've that's been closed off to me. And in doing that. I think get I it's not much of a stretch decided that executives exurbia is exactly everything, the leggings being through right? I think he's still knows what is best for Logan. But, like I just think he has a problem with getting getting through to him because it's like I know he can. I think it's one thing to see it and like feel it but it's like you, it's not your life though. You get to go home at the end of the day, and still be exhibitor. You know, it's like this is my life. I you, you see it. I have to live it. I think that's an interesting dynamic that they have. And yeah, just the especially what he retorts back to him. He's like Logan, counters and says that the world isn't what it used to be that eating is real. And I love Charles but it is for Laura nets. All it is the conversation. Motherfucker of all of our level like this, this tear up. It's all sequence back, just performances performances genuine love. I just really let onto that whole shea believes it. So we should we must as well, like automating, latch onto that part of it. I love it. It's really well done. It's believable as well. A little kids would believe in something like that it's easy for me to believe that they believe. But. Yeah. We get this world the corn. They don't they don't they don't eat it as for current corner up those things we get those big. He's like, look like t Rex with those big arms no brains like that knows those mammoth offices. Yeah. Dude, I love those I kind of like a James Cameron aliens feel like when I saw them out in the field, like, oh, I get a good like a good harm movie vibe from this shit. But. Yeah. Yeah, they go to fix the water and they are confronted by the landowners, who were trying to push them out. I this, she's oh, dude. Yeah. I'm gonna give you the count of three and he's like I have a lawyer now one, he's like I've, you know, I don't really wanna go over the logistics of this. But I guess that what they somebody else on the property beforehand. He had a he has. He's been Reisman with previous on. Oh, yeah. But my thing is like previous right? This guy owns the land. Now. He's telling you to fuck off, like us that legally something he can do. Like, as I know we need to get we get an American real estate lawyer in ear. Get him on the line to craze mystery with, with, with, with probably law and probably a aren't fucking shit as probably wrong because again, high probably as mints carry, they get lunch with the government, and they carry over to whatever next. So it should be, yes, it does it does carry on, like, because it is it's not like oh, it's full of the previous changes that we've done to the property. Reverts back to what it usually used to used to be. I guess lodged with the government the land and property summation, and then it just carries on. But the way guys I'm sure when you signed up for the leg podcasts, he didn't think it'd be getting fucking property law. Yeah. It's funny actually kind kinda like this. It's just a movie that, like I had to learn something a little bit like how is this legal detrimental to the story? But it's, it's cool. I like that kinda shit. That's why fucking month that might not that might not be relevant to bump fuck Oklahoma where. You know what I mean? Like a relevant. I'm just saying that's how it is. And he's got you got you. Gotcha. Yeah. They get this big at this water shut off. I I love these guys roll up wills like all right. Just stand back. I got it. Okay. But I could go out there and rip these guys fucking half right now. And. I liked it will things Loris mute in Logan's, psycho. Yeah. Been beginning just goes with it. It's good. But these these guys in front of my love. He's like, oh, looks like Mr. much near one got him. Some muscle using on the guy that's telling you to get back in your nice little play oak tickets and place else. Like. Like, if a guy that looked like Hugh Jackman does his stepped out of the shadows. I would throw down my gun. It would be like I'm sorry man. Sorry for threatening them like wouldn't I would assume the bullets would bounce off him even if he even if he didn't heal right? He has this. Like if you look at Jackson because, like I actually been going back to the gym and paying attention, like some, some celebrity workouts, and stuff, you know, not like his worth, or Chris Evans, or anything, but, like you Jackman has one like holy shit. You know, I mean like my body frame, I'm not gonna look like that fucking six four and like naturally two hundred thirty pounds like I can't wait any less than that. So I'm never going to be like shredded like that. But the way he looks and Logan. He's like, more. He's got like bigger PEX. He's more bulky than he is like shredded. And I love that. That's such an interesting detail. They said, Hugh, Jackman would drink wooden, drink water for up to like twenty four forty eight hours. Before scenes, because he because it did something with, with his muscles in his water weight, and it made his muscles in his body. More dried out more tired, right? And he vice I do not do this at home. I shouldn't even be doing this, but I run for, I'm a professional that's, that's what bodybuilders day before Shirali hydrate themselves to make it look, more sort of like muscular Invesco up like the I think the biggest have been like just just looking at it. And I'm pretty sure he's admitted to was the wolverine, like, hey, was huge and rip like you could take a block of as and you could make it fucking pates that chase. These right. He we are talking about fucking bodybuilding, all I'm thinking about as pates. So what does that say about me? Oh, dude, I can't wait. I'm fucking shoes. I'm done with this, the rest of a burger in a to go box fucking. I went to the gym on my birthday. I went to the gym today. I went to the gym like three days ago. I'm like, all right. I'm fucking in smash burger or something, I wished you happy about the off the potty make me wish you, you bet. They hear on the episode. Happy them, man. Thanks is fun. I, I. I was yesterday for anybody who cares. I went out and got queen's greatest hits on vinyl and. I bought a bought a wolfenstein. The new order says, I want to check this out. I'm not a big wolf chip Guinea, quaint tickets. Yeah, yeah. My girlfriend got me tickets to Queen with the Nashville symphony. It's going to be an outdoor concert. It's going to be here in about two days. I'm fucking pumped. I loved the Nashville symphony the really, really good at us. And thanks everybody in after partying south who said happy birthday, LSE's page and shit like that. You guys are awesome. I appreciate is really fun really fun day, spent thirty minutes of it at the gym fucking sweat, my ass off watching Logan. And I like as I'm watching this. I'm like I just put forth for. That's what I look like. That's what I look like that. And most of it's like the shit that they do man. Like it's even the workout shit. It's like dude, I can't afford the diet. These fuckers have. But getting back to this movie we can get out of our, like heterosexual lying like these homosexual overtones that we've got going on. But they staple here in facial, all yeah, absolutely. They confront these landowners. I love Logan. Punch him in a fucking nose and snapping the fucking gone over his leg. Ooh, God like any indication of how strong he still as UC Neetu or will. He's the fuck. But a Logan Simpson. They're sent packing back at home executor of the scene. This saying this same, man. Holy shit Patrick. Suet cape. Fuck came on and say Patrick Wilson that's a whole different fucking. Patrick Stewart just absolutely sells this man. Like you can hear the vulnerability in his voice, he can hear the sadness in his voice man. Like he's just like I remembered, what I did. I kill killed all those people. I am. I have no control of my body. I've no control of genetic mutation. I am a weapon, but this is being when he says this has been the most perfect not of my life. I believe that I believe wholeheartedly. Yeah. Because like as much as it's kind of the same thing like I think, were he and Logan failing on communicating a little bit. Logan is failing to community and just realize dude. He's not a complete invalid. Like he knows what he's doing. And he knows that he's done something, and maybe he can't remember it. And even says this is not the first time I've heard people like you. So something else has happened before I'm sure smaller scales of this leading up to the Westchester instant. Which actually fuck I was in game. Stop yesterday. They had a goddamn baseball cap. That was it had an X on the front. It was like zebra school for gifted youngsters Westchester. New York in my head stupid. Fucking suck. But it looked really cool. Navy blue and gray fucking sweet. The. The reveal that he's not talking to lug in. I should have seen that coming. I should've seen not not, not that it was another like that. It was X twenty four like a clone of lugging. But I should've saying that it wasn't lugging standing there. Like you know what I mean? Like he doesn't talk it seems like really, really sort of like eerie, but they do such a good job of this reveal. I was not expecting. I was not expecting exhibits this early. I had feeling that it'd be closer towards the end. But this was just a total shock to me like when he puts the, the fist on his chest, and they like extends a close into his chest. I'm like holy. See, I think new something was when you see him walk in, but it was okay like, I think, after about five or ten seconds, when they hadn't cut Jackman as this is not Logan like something's going on here. But the shock of it, the fuck of it is seeing fucking extra twenty. He's twenty four right? Twenty four. Yeah. Twenty four seeing x four like wait. What the fuck like it. I think I knew that it wasn't going to be Logan. But I wasn't expecting it to not be Logan. You know, it's like fuck like this is kind of crazy. Even like the is he has gold colored like is, like what the fuck like it's, it's I it just threw me through such a loosely seeing him with his head buzz down. That's really crazy. Like Logan, without the signature like haircut. And you know what? I kinda dig it man. Like I wouldn't mind. It all Logan. Some point I'm just taking this shit all down and keeping a full fledged to. Yeah. Fucking of course. I like bald guy ball guy with a beard. I mean, come on. Also the way he's carrying fucking Laura, would that, that Bryce that he's got all that things. Faulk cool lesson better tackling shed as need dude. I like that. But, but yeah, this is back at home savior. Admits not deserving. The amazing night that they've just had saying that he's done something terrible, and that he had forgotten all about it until last night. You know, basically Logan, wouldn't let him remember I think I finally understand you now savior. But this moment is unfortunately cut short when quote unquote, Logan, stabs him through the chest. I love Laura diving right in and just start. Slicing in fucking dice heard you guys insane. Oh, dude. Yeah. That's like I mean, it's kind of look how Logan reacts to exert you're being killed. I think she's right there. Like I mean league Xavier is probably one of the first people that she talked to eight telepathically, that's gotta be insane, but then being this nice older man, whose gets okay, it's okay, like, imagine the, the feeling of relief that he must be able to put over you, mentally when doing that, like, hey, it's all right. I'm not gonna hurt you. And it's like oh, that's awesome. But. But yes, she begins attacking x four Nate attempts to intervene fucking Bob. It's like just comes with a bat. I'm like not a good. No. Not a good idea. Like I get it. That's great. But Faulk this roots. Not not a good, not a good plan. Proper should. This is all shocking to me. I wasn't expecting the kid to like. I just like, like maybe maybe the parents, maybe probably definitely the dad, but I was not expecting the kid to die at all. I was like holy shit. Like this maybe is case. Yeah. They, they earn the fuck out of that are rating. And that's what that's what I love. It's not grotesque but it just really shows you, you know, in this in this kind of world, you know, the lawlessness of this movie is something we haven't talked about. And that's what feels very Mad Max to me like right at the beginning. We have these guys on the interstate stripping, the fucking tires of this thing, where anybody can see them 'cause they don't give a fuck who's gonna come and fuck with them. You know, I think the lawlessness of all this is, is the lawlessness of all this. But listen as Faulk. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's great. It's kind of like every man for himself kind of feel. Laurus captured. I love the mom pulling the shotgun out. And like, right. When they show up, you know, she tells them. Yeah, you stay down there would have been like do get the fuck up here now. To stay downstairs fuck. But they arrived just as Katherine that're name. Catherine is killed in the tool the tool. Marines come face to face. That's a great fucking shot him, just like. Yeah. In having this used exhibitor Laura envy fuck, like, not only are you seeing basically clone of yourself, but you're having to make the choice of, like if he's got Laura, what the fuck is happened to Charles. Oh man. That's, that's a terrible kind of decision to have to make. Because he's again, he's a juggling everything he's trying to take her and take care of him at the same time, man. It's fucking brutal. But. But yeah, the Logan, Russia's exam. You're trying to help him trying to help them use. It wasn't me. It wasn't me. Oh, that's fucking great. That's such a good detail of him be like no. No, no, no. That wasn't me leading with him. I don't think exhibitor thinks that it is because he's like, wait. You're not like I mean, I'm sure this guy has seen a clone of somebody at some point. I mean, if you lived in the X men universe like people are reborn died reborn all the time. So I'm sure he I'm sure he's I know that's not him. But it's also like I'm so he knows that he's not the type of person to do this. Right. Like, hey, he knows leg in very well. And he's like, hey this is my friend. Well, essentially, my son he would never do to me. Right. Exactly. Totally. Logan brushes to save. You're trying to help him just as x twenty four is about to leave the landowners, term more people in temp to attack the months family. I love this. Listen, I don't know pain, but I'll double give you five grand weeks. This is like his came would start you at five g. Is the fucking competence of this, dude? Like the, the, the only thing I can like, like think it's somewhat similar to like an actress with the doctors. They walk into Reagan and she just smacks, the fuck out of him. Why? All that's, that's so hilarious. And. Yeah. He just. I mean he turns these guys into fucking like selfies hike swan holy shit. Yeah. Dude wasn't a Sam. Fucking on. And. Yes. So you know he ends up taking the fucking but I mean he's also unleashed. You can tell they can't they don't have control over x twenty four. I think that's another interesting detail. It's like it's Logan. It's the essence of Logan. You cannot control him like that. Like it's not, you know, this guy has the, the will in the anger of the Hoke without being able to hoc out like he's got that rage who so fucking great and you've got you've got doctorates trying, trying to a real amend is twenty four twenty four. What are you doing, but yeah, you'll definitely right man. Like you can't control concave, cage this animal, right? Exactly. He's tearing up the landowners. Logan is trying to help exhibit, but his wound or to grievous I love what just the Sunseeker is, like what he's like the boat, the Sunseeker. And that's it. It is, you know what the fut- ham. It's, it's so unlike I don't know, think of Jean Grey's, death and X men last. And like it's so Unser Omonia like like this is the opposite of last. Unlike its, so he dies in a fucking Oklahoma in the back of a pickup truck like what the fuck like one of the smartest and most powerful mutants ever lived is. Yeah, it's just like holy shit. But of course this sends you know, this is going to send Logan like fucking into a rage Pearson. His men attempt to bring x twenty four back in, but they're caught off guard by Caliban who's throws the two grenades and says, beware the light. Oh shit. That's great. That's most mounted. Yeah, I really I really wish they went with practical explosion, the. Yeah. I mean I like I don't hate it. But I don't love it at the same time. It's one of those fifty fifty things from like, you know, explosives. You've got kids, onset. You're like fuck it. Let's just let's just make this easier and safer for everybody, like totally, especially when you've got kids, onset and shit that much. But just the framing of him and, you know, he clicks us to cuts over two years, the pins. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man, it's, it's so well done, and just the deaths of the months and family Charles and Caliban back back to back like whoa. Like this. I mean this scene breaks fucking bad like. Deep. It goes real bad. But, you know, so Calvin sacrifice themselves trying to kill peers Logan and x twenty four start to face off. I love what the hell are you, and you can really see it fucking Logan up to like win this when he slashes him across the stomach. That wound is there. I think pretty much for the rest of the movie is fucked up like the I don't wanna go possibly on the sound of them like fucking swinging each other in the sound of the blades, the clause, it's fucking fantastic. But also like I love saying just have bloodstain their closer. There's a Merman. Hey when like legs on his back and like twenty four is like standing above him. And he's just like he, he goes to plunge like by his fist into into Logan, beloved and blocks. And he get us really close up of old four of the close intersecting, and they'll just bloodstained as fuck, man. It looks it looks also. Yeah. Like I said they fucking earned that are rating as bad ass. And, you know, they find round for a second and looks like next twenty four is going to have him. But then here comes will rolling up at. This fucking truck. I, I love it because it was so unexpected, you know, I like I wasn't really expecting to see this. I actually wrote here. Logan interceptors twenty four before he's able to reach Laura, and the to engage. In battle. Fortunately, for Logan will surprises everyone by smacking, X four the front of afford going about forty miles an hour. He gets out. He unloads the fucking shotgun into twenty four and he goes to shoot Logan. But it clicks kinda Shawna. The dead feel right there. Little bit. What do you what do you think about him pulling the trigger fucking India blame him? Even if you're not the one who killed my family like this is still like you brought this to my doorstep like xactly. Yeah. That's where I at first, I was like, I don't know about that. But then, yeah, it definitely don't like, hey, you just saw your wife and child. Right. It's like what I got to lose at this point fuck it. Why don't I just kill? You. But they. Yeah. Him fucking up x twenty four is great. The I just totally gone that empty socket as shit. Oh, it's so fucking goat. I love it. Shoot. Logan. The gun is empty he collapses and dies Laura and Logan, escape and rice tins to x twenty wounds? I like this. Where is this refers? Introduces green tea room kinda shit. Yes. Right. Exactly. He's like, it'll make you heal foster, right? And I would normally have skipped right to fuck over the scene. But that's kind of important like this. It's kind of being huge in the story. And I love when they get in the car, and Laura sees Charles, she fucking freaks out that so good. That's that's really all my God and so easy to go right over that. And then they just take the time to do it. Fucking scream. Yeah. Several hours later. Logan, Laura berry exhibitor with Logan. Unable. Say anything about his late father, but not unable to destroy a truck with a fucking shovel. Did one of my favorite sayings anti-money like this, this whole sequence just highlights. How fantastic Jackman is man like he he can't spit out pas. It's got water is just he's he's so loss for what's. He's a he looks like shit. And bay. He's just he's lost the closest thing to him. He's got. He's got nothing. And I just love the absolutely poignant fucking, my Laura, grabbing his wrist and very much like leg in lugging fashion. He gives up he fucking gets pissed off to deal with this shed, guys and deals with it in his in his own way. I love it, right. Yeah. Because like let's take this moment and breakdown for thirty seconds breakdown. His time line of X men, so you've seen you ordered your father, your step brother, who is your friends of becoming an enemy. You see you yourself have killed like, like dri, Jean grey. At some point, even if all this is red Konin shed, he still has memories of this, like he seen all these people civil war award, one World War, Two Korea. Vietnam, she like all these people get murdered all the events of the days of future past, and people being hunted down and murdered. All this shit. I mean, imagine the concentration camps he seeing. World War, Two imagine all of the shift that he seeing the humans and immune to have done to each other, and to constantly, see your friends and family murdered or die like in the comic books. There was a woman, there's an Asian woman that he fell in love with, and that was a big part of the story and the enemy that series as well. And. What that's also comes into play in the wolverine. Okay. Cool. I actually. Yeah, I need to check that out if they're playing from that angle, I always Doug that about how my love, I love the fact that wolverine to character that can play off he can he can put together like a samurai and a western film, and I know that those are similar in kind of theme, sometimes, but it's just the fact that he can be a western samurai super euro as fucking cool. Like, like I think that's so interesting. And that hasn't really been done with a lot of comic book characters. But yeah. Him going to fuck in town on the truck. I mean this so typical Logan, like can't express through words. So I'm going to pick up the shovel and go to town on this fucked up truck like just goes, she goes fucking crazy with it. And of course, that, that Jackman screaming that he has, so fucking good. Like it's so I don't know. It's so like whereas Laura's feral I think that Logan's is more this like, wild guttural screen that's fucking grades like a blood-curdling growl. I love that. But he eventually collapses after fucking up the truck and Laura's forced to get him to get him. Help Okun wakes up at this urgent care, walk in clinic, and it is actually also revealed allures, not mute, which I take for granted now that I see this because I feel like she's already spoken. And then I'm like, oh, wait. No, I forgot. She hasn't said a word we're fucking hour and a half inch. She hasn't. I love this doctor. He's like I really thought I'd never get to meet one. You've while, you know, and I expected to be like, I wouldn't be okay if I were to lick your wounds closed, I would very much. So love to do that. Like he kind of I know he's like he's he so oblivious, to what's going on dude. Look at me. Do you wanna get involved with this shit? Do you really wanna see you really wanna like breakdown as he what happened to me because this is probably gonna happen to you? If you keep fucking with me. Like, like seeing his his naievty to the whole thing. It's like dude. This is like look, look. Look at me. Don't fuck with this shit. Don't get involved here, this very bad idea. But. But yeah, you know, the she oh, and also where we see the Logan knows that that has caused reporting him. He's like, you know, get go to doctrines. He was poisoning. You already know what's poisoning me. So they go out into the truck lure stole in this new truck. I love these like you can't just be stealing shit. Like he's think very. Fuck it. I don't even care this conversation is fantastic. Again, Hugh Jackman. He gets better as it goes along. I'm not saying that he's shit at the start of it. But man he's taught to feel the weariness of this toss of this mission. And here is where I like I like it hits me man. Like when he's just like, now, I'm fucked up. And I cannot get you to North Dakota. You know what I mean? I buy it. I buy one hundred percent right? Because this is him at his weakest point like he is. I mean he's on his last of legs. I love when she she's not the quota per for, and she's pointing in the conversations, I know he's like, listen, it's it might have happened once, and like it, you can see he can't keep up this gruff demeanor where he just like, no shut the fuck up mobile like he kind of starts like he he's trying to reason with her a little bit more than just like forcefully, screaming at her until she punches him in the face. Those also. Of the oh, do that's over booking me because it looks like she's straight fuck and pops him. And I was that's what I wasn't expecting. Oh, kid. Putting an adult in the face fucking that's amazing to watch it or know what it is. But especially him screaming back at our she's like, yeah. You know what is a Galleria? Victor, Chris VAR shut the fuck up like. Oh yeah, her. I, I love her XM big like, you know, a little bit of Spanish, you know, I've, I've gotten better and better at it. But I like I love her like her an NCA shit of stuff that you took the medicine. I love wedding off. Yes, she's, she's fucking adorable. I, I wanna see a million Bobby Brown on dishing tape. At least, though, like I think that she's a little too old for this role like when it came out, she was still like, what she probably would have been thirteen fourteen I think probably, she's definitely older than this girl for sure. Are no, no, go ahead. Well, I was just going to bring up something completely unrelated. This was the first of a superhero movie to be nominated for a screenplay also. Oh no shit. That's awesome. Yeah. This is don't forget like this predates Black Panther. So this kind of, like, Bligh's, the trial, man. That's awesome. Actually. No. It's crazy death. Keen, Millie, Bobby Brown or one year apart like really hits. You. Yeah. Yeah. No, I never I never would have liked thought that at all. I hope she does more. They're talking about expanding onto this character and possibly, you know, maybe when Disney and FOX stop digging around and get everything like lock. I would love to see that I would love to see. I'm I'm good. No, you don't want to. I'm not I know I don't wanna see continuation of Logan. That's not what I wanna see. But I wanna see something of like maybe it's been ten fifteen years, and she's a woman, she's an adult now. She's like, you know, now, I lead a team of X men, you know, we, you know, the, the seven rate of us that escaped while end up like making a community I wouldn't mind seeing somewhat of a continuation at least with the character because I think I think it's awesome. Like we see. We've had Hugh Jackman for like seventeen years, man. Like I think it's okay to switch to somebody else. You know, it's kind of like seeing everything go from Hoke, cap, ironman, and four to get swapped over like captain marvel in Black Panther. And okay, I'm cooler shit like that. Like, let's just slide this over a little bit like it's the same character just like I don't know. I, I wouldn't even mind like like like that. And beyond like it's kinda the same premise. I'm like, I, I don't mind those kinda stories just because like seeing Alexey. In other people take the man is what I'm saying. I definitely like to say about NBA. We'll talk about his ladder. When we talk, the, the X men, but yes. Sorry, go. I just totally. You've got your loss in the way. Oh, no, no. You're five is like I wasn't even really saying. I think just the fact that they had this great conversation, and, you know, he saying, you know, this about all the should is just made up and it's not fucking real and that, you know, you know, your nurse. She read too many stories and, oh, it's it's so fucking good. And I love his like you said, he's like no, I'm not taking you because I am too fucked up a two days, dry for place that doesn't even exist. Fucking pops him in the face. And that's what just ends the whole fuck. You wanna go find fucking. Let's go. But. Yes, she demands. He take her to North Dakota. He refuses. That's a two day drive into fucked up to take you there. He he eventually and begrudgingly agrees, and they take off Donald Pierce gets their destination from a picture of Laura's. I like that. I like the families that. His name is Donald this is a story of. Of children out 'cause a wanting to get the US to to the normal. My god. Did you catch that? I caught that back like wine twenty seventeen because he just, hey, he just won the presidency tells it's like, oh, is this, what is this? You know it's crazy. I share his birthday. Oh man me Boy, George boy. George from the I was at culture club. And, and Donald Trump all have the same birthday that man talk talk about a real raging party between the three of us. I I just finished the show when they say on net flicks and without any spoilers. I'm just gonna say I could not hate Donald Trump any more than I do now. So I mean that's saying something. Yeah. But. So the next morning children. Leave for the border lugging bags just slip, right? Into that. We like fuck Wallin Canada's well. One-star. But. So. Yeah. As, as you know, they're driving. We see we see Pierce got the location from that picture. We see Lauren Logan or talking in the car about how Logan wants to die. And that exuberance told her not to let him. That's so great. You know, I I love this, this whole exchange where he's not like shut the fuck off. He's like, oh, yeah. What else did he tell you like he's flex? He's like sarcastic to this point anything give fuck anymore. Laura forces Logan off the road and demands that he rests, leaving her to drive them the rest of the way really great love him, waking up in the car, and she's like I keep of our. And he just means he's a cop note. I can't fuck into this and he just totally collapses. Looking wakes up in his lifted up to the children, who give him some of the green serum to help him heal. I, I love the what did you think about this? Like lost boys, mutant club thing. I mean like you know, we, we kind of had a failing that was coming right? I mean, you know, that United is going to be more kids out there. And I had a feeling that she was going to meet up with guys before she goes north. I do I do like it like that. They that she has other people like elect that she. Similar to what exurbia wanted Logan to have. She kinda has people like him and kind of sorry people like like. Like a family, more or less. Right. Right. At we end to have someone your own age, as you can relate to she's been around with ninety and a two hundred and fifty year old though sold. So she's like alright need to be around, like aids my own kind people weren't fucking dying. But yeah, this is where Logan also has this fucking nightmare to his sound like this. Fucking sounds like. I like it. It's a little much. I was like dude, this sounds like when I'm playing video game and my dog knocks out on the couch and he starts having a nightmare at I have to like shake him up. I'm like, hey, Tom, Tom, Tom after wake a little bit sins like when I have sex. Tussling with the body pillow. This leads into one of my conversations in this movie. This is just how brutally honest Logan his with is with Laura. But she chose him the bullet and she's like always. Who's actually thinking about shooting myself with it, and I'm just like holy shit. Like we know that, that's why you carry the bullet, but I was not expecting you to tell this little girl that like you know what I mean I was on its. Can he look anymore? Like Clint Eastwood, like when he's leaning up on the one arm and his head kind of slush over dude, like, where are you for Clint Eastwood bio pic, like they need to get on that shit for, I mean, what Shane I know old man Logan. The comic book was a little bit based on this, but also the unforgiven with Clint Eastwood, which I've only seen a little bit of no, it's great movie. But I really, really need to finish it. I got burnt out in sick, a western are dead, watch some true grit shoot. A sons of Katie elder. You know, bonanza likes just westerns and shit all the fucking God damn time. And I could not handle any more stand, it Daniel fell to listening to this. I'm sorry for you. What you just hood. Big western fan halos lessons. See, I wouldn't mind, but, like that's why think grew up and I was like horror, and SCI fi. And because they were totally different stories, you know, after westerns, especially around those times as westerns or kind of I mean, they, they play out very simply, you know, like the you can see the plot coming from like a mile away, but that was movie making the forties and fifties, sixties. Right. Gonna do wisened on a big thing here, like a, you know, because like it relates more to an American to American history, right? Like I mean, if he bring into to trailer, it doesn't really have that much of a of a cultural re residents, but I I love it like a lot of people love it. It's just not as big of a of a thing. I actually personally love it as Yarra like the good the bad and the ugly, like, come on. That is the Paik that good high plains, drifter a really like even something like no country for old men. I feel like as a western like that. I mean yeah you've got the point eight point. We like we talked about earlier, you know, I definitely consider that a western even Django even the more like a southern flight. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I saw him team that. Yeah, check it out. But. Yeah. Let night Logan has the nightmare. They wake up and he discusses their discussed her dreams. Laura says Oliver dreams are her being hurt. But Logan's are of him hurting people. Yes. By the bullet which you talked about says that he's keeping keeping keep kept it as a reminder to himself. But then later well, yes, I know shoot myself with. And I, I love her going to sleep. She's like, you know, I heard people might dreams too, but they're bad people. In ease doesn't matter either way, same thing. But not really not. It's not. It's not really. But I like that it's kind of, like it's this Logan that doesn't really give a shit anymore. It's his leg, and who has a hard time differentiating between good and bad and Mike. She says in the car, and we totally pan over this. She's your dying. She's like you're to Meritas or something like that. So you're I can tell you're dying. I think it's like I don't have time to, to, to put, like they said earlier, I don't have time to take care of booze and call you babies. There's no time left. I'm fucking dying, like, come on. We've gotta go, like I can't sit here and baby. You, you know what I mean? Yeah. But I mean, and that also goes back to Shane while, you know, once once a man's kill these gotta live with the killing that branding. You know, go in you tell your mom news. No, there's more guns valley. That's totally what it's looting to like, I get what they're saying like a murder era death in killing, is I mean, ultimately can call whatever you want. But at the end, the action is still the same like you've taken the wife of somebody for good or for bad. But you and your life, right? But I'm like, dude, she's killed like eighty people. What the fuck you talked about. I think she gets it. I think she, I think she may be has a little bit easier of a time, differentiating people who probably did horrible shit her for the last eleven years. She's now in problem, put my fucking fists in the back of that guy skull. It's different. It's also this thing about, like lugging being a father figure to her as well and trying to trying to make it easier for her somehow. And that also goes into the thing. You know what he goes into at the end of, you know, he wants her to he doesn't want her to be him. He doesn't want her to be the weapon x like one or two have to deal with all that. It's ten years, and she's already had to deal with this whereas Logan, you know, he was alive for like, what one hundred years, probably before he got his claws like the Anna manual Mike laws. He's born eighteen thirty eighteen four and he says, like Vietnam. So it's like liberal long time before he did this shit. So I think he's like listen. You're going to have to live a probably longer than I am. Or depending on what they've made your claws out of now is that you're gonna live longer than me or just as long as you're gonna have to deal with this shit, and you're gonna have to realize what it is really like kill somebody be okay with that. But. But yeah, Logan goes back sleep and wakes up after two days with the children shaving his beard into classic wolverine. Yeah. That's fucking cool. The visual gag of all them pulling something, and this is yeah. Pulling something in a frame or like outer frame the frame sit still is fucking that gets me every time it's it's it's Larry. That is not funny can love that little kid. I'm not sure which one is short chubby black kid. He reminds me of the one off hook. I can't remember what the fuck that kid's name is. But he I think he's actually playing with a wolverine like toy like a blue and yellow like classical his his definitely got it in the funeral saying lighter. Yeah, I had one of those a fucking loved it richer talks on the radio. Someone over the border and offers Logan the money which he declines. There's actually in the credits this movie. It says something special thanks to alpha flight from what I was reading something like alpha flight is the Canadian version of basically. So I wonder if they're talking to somebody who's, you know, 'cause you think yes, in the US a you made these products in new shift amount, but that doesn't mean that there's not as many in Canada, like I can see Canada not doing that. You know, being more natural about the product and shit. Apparently kept him level is currently in the L fly team in the comic book run. I don't know if that's because I still listener Manby on Kevin Smith and soft like they. Yeah, they get to talking about a little bit. I heard that recently but yeah, yeah. Really much. He's gotta change that Fatman shoot. He's lost. A lot of way. Good did man. Did. So, like they talked about ESP Fatman on Batman, but it's like Fatman beyond because we're beyond Fatman now. Okay, good. Good. Good. Good. 'cause I know it means a lot in always, I'm very proud of Kevin Smith fucking. But that night war, and Logan end up fighting with oaken explaining bad shit happens to people I care about Laura says, than I'll be fine. That's good. That's I mean, this, that's the gist of this conversation. But this whole thing you know, which we read off at the beginning. You know, I suck at this, you know, I'm no good. I'm fucking noise. I'm going to the first more when I get outta here, and it's so much better this way if you just leave it alone. And like that's what that's the saddest part about it. His not even the bench. Should happens to people I care about. I mean that's going to happen, regardless. But when he's when he when he looks at her, and he's like it is better this way. It's like oh, dude he has had. He has said that so many fucking times to himself in his life, like it makes me think of this great movie that I love call man from earth, and it's about a guy who lives like forty thousand years, and he has families, and he watches his children, die. And like it's fucked up. He like they're part with a reckon. He's like, reconciling with all that. And it's like dude, it's so much better this way. If I just leave and just don't be a part of this anymore. It's kinda like Benjamin button, you know, when he's like, and he just pieces out towards the end of the movie on my. I don't blame you do because it is so much better this way like, oh, it's fucking heartbreaking, though. Something that always gets me is such a nice, man. Yeah. So yes, she ends up walking out. Logan goes back to sleep. I love the fact that he's just like he just knocked out for four days by the end. He's like, dude, I gotta rest man. The next morning, the children, leave for the border and Logan, wakes up to a note telling him not to take all of the serum that they've left for him at once. He wakes up, he sees the drums, coming after the children and takes off in the forest children are hunted down realizing that he'll never catch back up. Logan takes the entirety of the serum. Oh man. I love seeing Pearson, his guys racking up with with rice and shit. You know, you know, it's getting big when, like your manager is actually on the site like. All right. This is going to handle this shit myself. Yeah, right. Yeah. There's a there's an also shot. I'm not sure if he's got if. It's Logan running through the aerial shot. It's lugging running through the fucking trays and then like, in the background, you can say the convoy. It's it's only one talking about. Yeah, yeah, I'm watching right now as he breaks to go and get the kids. Yeah, so good. I mean, especially seeing him like run up that hill and trying to make it it's like man, this is just he's in such bad shape. Like, I mean, low think Logan dude that guy it's fucking basing up that hill, no pun intended. Like, you know, like they're like, there's that should be so easy for him. But he can't even mention taking a bullet this guy can't even run up a fucking hill right now. You're like holy shit. But yeah he takes the the entirety of this medicine. Oh, dude used you know, there's no coming back, once that needle drops note, this, it's over it's done. There's the I, I think I started getting feeling that Logan's gonna die because he's pale. He's covered in blood. He's taking all the serum like oh, that's it's rough man. The children are hunted down. Really never catch back up. He takes the serum the children run and use their powers and Logan. Goes resercher on Pierce's men. I love all the kids, see the plant girl. She's actually a deftly keen, stunt, double, and James Mangold was, like, I loved her so much. We just put her in the movie. Wholesome role and gave her a fucking power and just let her go crazy. See what? I got a mention. I don't know his name because we keep calling him this. But the chubby black kid running, like man. I'm like those me at every fucking school. Fucking cross country carnival athletic shit. That is literally me in the one hundred made a dash. That's fucking Leary's. Yeah, I wasn't much better. I'm just like I'm like a boulder with legs. I can't on this kid is booking booking. It. Oh, deuce. And I love what he's the he's the electric kid we've got plant girl. We've got the ice breast woman. We've got richer. Yeah. We got fish boy, Richter Richter can control like seismic activity. Apparently he's based off some avalanche from what it was from what I was reading off. But. But yeah, and the shot of Logan, you know, like you can hear him in the background that. The cut they cut to just empty shot of the forest and it's just the fog rolling over the trees and the pines. And you're like dude, you can you know his he's common for that ass like he's just booking. It through there and just the scream of him out in the distance somewhere is fucking scary, like, oh, shit like this fuckers about the rain down on us and I and I love that. I love the I love the like the foreboding -ness of it. I think. But yeah, he comes. He comes running up. I love I love all these deaths at the kids, you know, freezes arm. The guys aren't breaks it off. And she ripped one of those guys into into pieces like the pine needles and shit like, oh my fucking God. And yeah, if Logan goes fucking Abe shit on these guys. So cool. Just a great nonstop shot. Just him sawing through these motherfuckers. Because as he comes run off one of these guys. I think one of the guys literally says, oh as wolverine he's on your left link or something like that. Oh, that's awesome to actually hear somebody like oh, that's fucking wolverine like. I didn't I didn't hear I think so. I might be making shit up. But I swear to God I fucking heard at one point just got dammit. Let me lift my. Shut up lie around here. He he's marvan's way to these guys. The double fist pump into the guy's chest. And then he pulls out and just like that, so great, like, that's, that's fucking Premo, vintage finely distilled ancient bottled wolverine. You're like, let's not forget, this is what fans have been wedding to safe, a very long time, like wave tasers of this in other movies. But you don't really you don't really get this. You don't really get this in any other X men movie, but this you get little little glimpses, but this is just the unleash it awesome. Right. Yet it actually makes me think of that, like jet Lee movie back in the day was unleashed, or something like that kind of primitive, just fucking letting motherfuckers go, so awesome. And this is where we get this confrontation between rice and Logan. Right. What, what did you what did you think about this, how this, this whole thing I love this man because I was like on is gonna stop one lugging. Literally all you get is like probably maximum. Thirty seconds before fucking rice gets blessed away. Yeah. And especially him. He's I call my father was, what does he say whatever's father? Right. He says he's follow like helped create Logan, Beckett Alkali like outdoor for second. Oh shit. Is this related to strike? Oh, but that's what fucked me up at first, to, like, are we talking about striker here? And. Yeah, I, I love he's like, oh, my father was talked to Alexander rice believe knew him from the weapon x project. He's yeah, he's ES whole put this poison in me. He's like, yes, I believe he was one of them. Pretty sure I killed him. He's like, yes, I think you're right. I've heard now either his dad was in the wolverine James mangled, one or somebody said it was X men apocalypse that, that whole scene with him escaping, which I'm not gonna lie. It's, it's either x two or or if let's say, we don't have Logan, my favorite wolverine moments probably gonna be that scene in X to, you know, he goes crazy in the mansion or his cameo in apocalypse is fucking cool. Like I like it's I was a big fan of like the weapon x like wolverine when I was a kid ahead of toy of that, like I remember being like this fucking really cool. And, and. Yeah, but either way, this is like you said he's fucking monologue ING, you know, talking about how they've been poisoning, our for lack of a better term poisoning, the food supply, and the, and the y'all these rings and stuff random you. Tmc went the way of polio. We embarked on an endeavour growing your mutants of your own precisely of love piss of passages. One shops. Respect. He wiped out you kind. Yeah. Like what the fuck dude like either spin that sentence? It's not really make sense. Yes. So he fucking shoots. He shoes rice ends up capping Pearson, the hand eye level. The kids bringing action, you know that one kid shocks the fucking thing. Laura runs up on those guys and x twenty fours on least. And this is when you're, like, are, you are double d fucked like there's no way, you're getting out of this. I love a love how his traits as a Doug Wright. He's like Showtime boy, right? Yeah. Exac in my thing is like he's sitting there watching, you know, like like all the kids are sneaking up on Pierce right now. But like my thing is the scene. You have to kind of hand wave like movie time ships. I'm like, where are the kids, the whole time will like Logan's woman is asked with the fucking door because it takes like Pierce standing there like. Yeah, come on. He did that he killed rice get him. And I'm like do this seems like a lot of time. People could be chipping in somebody's ass. Because like it's there's a lot on the line here. Like Laura has the right idea. She jumps, right? The fuck in and just goes ape. But there's other kids, I'm like, yeah. Anytime now guys like Laura's over there, whooping asked me, scheduling drinking fucking like three sun. I get the sense that Laura is a little more. A little bit more combative and a little more. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like because they say that they started training these kids to be soldiers rights, probably make sense. And not all of them would be fully trained that. Yeah. Yeah. That, that is a good point. It is some mo- some movie bullshit. You gotta let stuff. Don't fuck in defended. Did you fuck off this bus? Movie. I mean it basically is. But, but yeah, I loved this, especially once Logan is just kind of, you know, he's getting fucking annihilated. Yeah. And the fact that they that, that Laura steps right in, like no hesitation industries going crazy. I'm like, oh, that's fucking awesome. Dude. And her using back lost the shot of her on top of his chest. That's fucking gorgeous. Pearson's shooting Logan leg with a harpoon gun. He starts pulling him in the kids trap him up, again, there's eight of you to of you could do this and other six next twenty four for the love of God. Somebody help him. Except for I complain about that until Richter steps in. And he drops a fucking like combat truck on him. But what did you think about Pierce's death this like multi this miss multi kill that? They've got going on. I like it. I mean, look at its breif it is brave. I would like to see Preska out and some crazy fashion. But I mean like this makes sense like the kids kind of get their little Justice. They get their little moment against the capita this guy who's being totally fucking, suppressing them their entire lives. So it makes sense it's poetic. It's, it's, it's good. It feels a little anti-climactic for some reason. I don't know why. Sorry you cut out there for second. Would you sell said? I it does feel a little in declarative for some reason, maybe I just would like to say peace to a little bit more. I think maybe that was it. But. Oh, I do like it like that. The kids get, you know, get a little revenge. Yeah. For sure, I'm especially at first, you're kind of like what's killing you know what exactly kills him? And then you see the neck just like pop. I'm like he's fucking dead. And. And yeah this awesome. Again, this battle continues with Logan, next twenty four. This, this whole time this whole time like when the truck is up and it lands on. It lands on twenty four. I remember thinking all pleased are into the big CJ battle plays into the big sage eight battle, like I was like, if he if they're gonna start throwing trucks and shit. I'm just like this why. But it doesn't go that way. Thank fuck. Right. Yeah. It's, you know, and that kid like even though these are kids like their powers, or I think that may be one reason why they have to team up to kill. Pierce because it's like a loan, they can kill maybe one guy, you know, like a they can really fuck shit up. I don't know if there's a strong is Laura is or Rick director seems like a little bit older. You know, which actually Richter Richter scale he can he can troll seismic wave. Clever. So, yeah, the to battle back and forth with x twenty four weapon that asks the children. Co men, Richard dropped truck drives, the truck on twenty four buying them time to escape Logan holes back twenty four as long as, as long as he can. But he is fucking impaled on God damned tree limb, like holy shit. This was not brutal headed. Oh man seeing him getting scooped up and lifted like that was you can't do that. Like you, you can't do that. Wolverine. Jonah doing something crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you care about spoilers for doc fakes? Not really not if it's that bad. Yeah. Okay. So gosh, spoils, doc saints. You wanted to get ahead. Fifteen seconds. This mistake does out the same way that lugging does. Oh shit. Really? Yeah. Because doc famous is kind of like losing his shit. She pushes a. She gets impaled on, like a tree branch or some shit. And she goes, she's dead. Damas hoping you'd say, clone of wolverine comes out and impales her in Canada. Trust me. We'll be starting. There is. I just, you know the rampant asshole marvel comic fans that are out there like, oh, the tree limb couldn't appears will Rene's bubble by, if you look at actually go straight through like it, misses his his spine and back and shit completely dude. He's dying like to stop just shut the fuck up. Like I am one of those model fans. But, like, no, I'm not that fucking rampant. Sorry, right, right. He gets impaled Laura shoots twenty four in the head and Russia's over to Logan. God this scene, Jesus Christ. Man, man, Jesus, did you did you talk about how she led the adamant him bullet? Shut twenty four. Oh, USS. She shot him in the head. But I guess with the manual that good pointing out that does. I mean, we had set up and payoff. So should've should've said something about it. Yeah. Okay. Forgetting that you knew around here. So I gotta. Yeah. But to my just for me perfect way to, to end leg story. Like just the funnel line that gives. So this is what it feels like. Like that is that has a lot of meaning man, let's unpack that because like a, you've got the, the obese one, right? This is what it feels like to, to die to finally fail. Some kind of like ending clump, some kind of analogy because get two hundred and fifty years is a longtime be alive and bay. This is what it feels like to care about something. This is what it feels like to have a family to have to have a blood you know what I mean. Like to, to finally feel like you've accomplished something for someone that you care about. Because he, he didn't get to do it for Charles but he got it over Laura. Right. Yeah. I think it you said, there's so many meetings in there. There's so this is what it's like to, to not be fighting. Like I don't have to worry about anything more. I'm dying, right? I like you don't be what they made you don't fight your whole life. He's now as the only probably one of the only moments in my life that I've ever been able to be like, now I'm done. I can relax. The also have the whole thing. Yes. I'm you know, this is what death literally physically feels like I've always wondered, what this felt like and I'm sure there's moments where he was closed but not anything like what he's feeling now than the whole thing of this is my family and this is what it feels like to. This is what it feels like to. To love somebody in this way. And my thing is do you think Microsoft's does he love her at the end of this, or does he just like, does he have the same love that appear can have for a kid or does he just like, is it that emotional of avant? Or is it just like love your kid hope you do? Well, like like, like, I'm it's like he's a native protective of her like that kind of love. I think I think it's definitely the protection of love, like I think. As cynical as he does Stott as he, as he starts out in this movie like he develops a bond with a develops like friendship, this kind of, like it is it is to some extent paternal thing, but I think the protection the protection of it like over Trump's all of that, and it becomes like it becomes, like I want a wants you to bay something that I never was. Right. It'd be something that I never had the opportunity to be like, I've, I had to be this fucking thing God, damn that's fucking terrible. And. Yeah. And especially I again wine, don't be what they made you like. Oh, that's so good. Like this is the shit. I would've told myself this. Right. This is this is the shit. I would've told myself the second ice skate from Alkali, like somebody was there to tell me that I didn't have to be this thing, just because they wanted me to be. Yeah. And Lor mourns Logan. He dies now. I do like this scene. It's good. I think that I think it's her saying daddy, that might no, I check out. I'm like, no, I'm that. I'm not buying like a she hasn't even ever said Logan if she just said, please Logano. Logan, or like wolverine or said something to like, like she's never said his name. She's never been that kind of like or she said James James, please don't bubble. I call him by his true. Like biblical name. Even that would've made meant more to me than just daddy. 'cause I'm like, dude. We don't really if they'd it in just one scene. One more scene of like maybe they get pulled over by a cop. The cops Lexus your daughter, and he's like a yeah. Like he's kinda yes. She is my daughter like him, kind of realizing, like, like, I don't know, it's kind of like saying to somebody. Yes, this is my daughter kind of helps him believe it a little bit more, because I. I don't think that there's enough setup for this payoff. I didn't feel the emotional weight of that hit the whole daddy thing. They don't have a moment where except for the, the dinner with a month. There's never a moment between and Logan, where it's like, yeah, your mind like, like, like I'm or I'll always be heard protect you or any of this stuff. Like it's a very tough love, kind of relationship, but I just think we needed at least one or maybe two more scenes of seeing that bond be a little bit stronger for me to by saying something like daddy, because that really that's like a gut punch. That's like Mr Stark. I don't feel so good. Like it's like, oh when it happens. It really hits you. So I don't know. I just I wish they would have built it up a little bit more. But it's not huge, like I, I don't mind ethnic and right here, I think she's doing. Well, but if you're calling this person daddy in, you know, this is now your father that you're seeing die. Like I would like to see a little bit more like she freaked out more when Charles died, and I'm like I kinda wanna see a little bit more right here. But it is good. Especially for her age like she does do damn good. Like you kind of have to grade it on a curve a little bit. But other than even if it's an adult or a child still thinks she does a great job. There's just you know, there's a little something missing there for me. I think what takes me out of her emotional reaction to this is the fact that I don't think that set up paid off that well to earn this type of this ending of her aknowledging him as her father. You know what I mean? Right. I think I I'm inclined to agree with you, because I definitely remember kind of feeling that way cinema festival much like I it doesn't I don't know. It doesn't fully. Like you're right. Like I think this is long enough already. Another additional sane or anything like that. But I think it is it doesn't sell like the, the fact like I buy that Logan has developed these protective feelings, and like this kind of connection with, but I don't buy that she has come to accept lugging as father because, like she doesn't know that genetic. Genetic makeup is from Logan. Does she? I mean I sued if, if they talked about it, this, this much in the open. How is she not? I find it more likely that she would know that she would have just somehow missed that information. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I think I do agree with you. I think you probably gave the best example that you possibly could. Because if you if you compare this to the, the tiny stock, spotty relationship that, that worked that worked for me. Yeah. The other and sunset of situation because like a, but look, the that also has the benefit of having to movies behind where they could relationship. So, yeah, I mean, look, I it doesn't break the movie for me or anything like that. It is a little less slight little annoyance, but I, I can look at it, right. Exactly. I think we're in the same boat. We agree on that, like it could be improved. But it's not as far as endings go. It's just I think that with the fact that it's Logan finally dying. The you know it's not like you can say anything here and you get away with it, but they do. Okay. They do fine. You know, it's, it's pretty well done, it feels like it feels like fucking like at the bottom of the screen screen. It should come up. Achievement unlock follow. Laura mourns and the children berry Logan, and Laura recites. The inning lines of Shane, there's no going back from it, right? Or wrong. It's a brand a brand that sticks. There's no going back. Now you now you run on home to your mother and tell her tell her everything's alright, and there aren't any more guns in the valley. They all walk away. But before leaving the screen Laura tips, the wooden cross, so it becomes a next. You know, because he was in the eggs, man. Oh my God. You know I like it. I am the reason. I like it because the X men were thing in this universe, like she looked up to them. So I if they didn't do the comic thing if they didn't do all of that stuff. Then I'd be annoyed odd be like, oh, this is bullshit automate, but as the X men are legendary mythology in the in this world than like it. It doesn't. I mean it's a little cheesy. But it's okay. You know, this is a superhero comic book, right? So we get we get in with a little bit of that. You know my yeah, that's fucking Logan. Man. That's luggage. Let's jump into some listener comments do some final thoughts and get the full look out of here. We had some we had some good ones. This one. Didn't we? We did. Yeah. I'll tell you what do you, you wanna take factor? You owe me to you can Patrick man like Patrick fucking. He even even like in champ, haven posted like. A fucking pray comment. He's like fuck. Yes, bay prepared for novel of, and I'm just like I'm just like way, await full stop. I'm always excited here. Patrick, Patrick Harrington of married people watch movies, which he does with his wife bar. Please check him out rate review on I tunes while that other stuff. I love their polls doing their polls when they come up, this is bar. None the greatest comic book movie that's ever been released Jackman Stewart perform billion as grizzled old guys who have to live with everything they've done with their pass and realize they're almost at the end of the road. I love that. They watch Shane during the movie because this is the modern retelling of an excellent. Western the old gunslinger Logan gets caught up in one last ride, and it brings him to his end knocking ally. When Laura cried out, daddy at Logan. I fucking cried like a baby in the theater. It as one of us battery. This is everything movie about wolverine should be. And I could watch this on an endless loop eleven out of ten so fucking great, great comment any continues, also the supporting cast is excellent. Stephen merchant Boyd Holbrook, Eric LaSalle in the unsung. MVP has to be definitely keen, Laura. She such a ball, a fury and claw. She can go from rage to vulnerable and his utterly. Fantastic. Can we tear what you guys sale this movie? I am punked. Thank you. Patrick off talking. I just Patrick and your head. Imagine the Drake gif of them like ooh. Fucking class and like that look, but no hit us with a one from Daniel out. Yeah. Going from Daniel Phelps commenting Daniel Mona fan of comic book movies all the x men series. But this one was one of the best movies in the last five years, the west infill of the story of the focus on loss of mental control of professor executives, fantastic, the pursuit of the of these old man sacrifice. For the loss time, save the new generation was a perfect way to close out a series of movies. The world wasn't at stake, just a feature of some kids, and that is enough Yemenite a love love it. I love the personal stakes and this movie like a love that it's fucking x men apocalypse with the whole world is just coming to an end. It's just like this guy from eight bay. And not doing it. But yeah he got. No. Yeah. I love I I it. I'll take Jessica visine Martin the hostess with the most just over at LSU media, if you guys want to check that out. They've got great Hawkins report noble right now, by the way they covered lugging on that episode. It was actually on that episode with Dana Matthew, and that, that is fantastic. So definitely go check that out. Yeah. I forgot I need to check that shit out. I don't know. Might need a Logan purge. I've been doing nothing but, like watching reading reading Logan for like a week. But she says this movie is fantastic and something you could recommend to a non comic person very true. It isn't a good isn't a good comic book movie to fantastic movie, period. So motion angry work from Jackman are perfect by wolverine consent. Any better myself. I totally agree with all that buck. Yeah. And last, but not laced from the fantastic Floyd fry checkout, his podcast, the pope list, he appeared on L podcast. We covered Mad Max two. The ride warrior, and fear right back to back with him. So thank you so much for joining us. That's lloyd. And thank you for commenting on this his is coming. There's a select few quite combing book, ladies that'll put put on your Brian, declare them film lugging, his one of these, it's an autistic endeavour trying to say more than quite fallen the story to the next chapter. So we can sell tickets it falls in line. So I had falls in with the likes of the watchman unbreakable and to someone of lesser degrade. The Nolan Batman series. It's an unrealistic concept that takes it self socio that you one hundred percent buy into it and intern. And most importantly you care for the characters and their ventral outcome. It's an Altima so world on. I can hear him reading that. Well, beautiful fucking XM listened, I've listened to so much populist. I can hear his me. I've, I also went on Ford show. We did a three quarter of sewed about the zodiac killer knows a lot of fun, guys. Please go. Check his podcast out. It's fucking great. And it's make sure you guys go check out patent barb over murdered people watch movies for the love and check out L. She, you know, gotta check out. Jessica dean, Matt, and everybody over there before the way, we, we we're going to go back to elephant in the room. AM. So you're hit me. What do you think? Okay. I'm cool with it. I know that even Jackman said at one point that he didn't if he'd known Disney was buying it. He would have rethought, like pulling out right now. I think that it's it might be high time for another cast. But the way they're doing with the Spiderman for from home and we're talking about multiple mentions. I wouldn't mind at least a cameo from Jackman. I think that'd be awesome. I think that'd be really cool to see him. Maybe pop up and something along the lines of that. But the probably recast the rebooted, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I'll be excited either way you know, it's, it's a it's a character that we can't possibly keep down now and they won't poss- it's like it's like morals Batman to an extent. You know, like the so low film that has done so well. And I think that DC has the dark Knight, marvel has like Logan during your on of injuries Infinity ward game. All this great, but this is an this is on a whole other level from that. And I think that there while. Those are great movies like this is a great film and not to take anything away from them. I think those are extremely good movies. But this one is, you know, it's the r rating, it's geared, I think, for people who don't want just action permitted kind of thing. And like I said, it's not an end of the world story. It's small stakes and I think that this will go down like the way to do. The R rated superhero films when they when they start flocking out, which I really, really hope that they do. And the I just wanna see an injury versus X men movie. That's all I care about. That's like them buying all the stuff. I mean it's great. They're going to get what fantastic four and, and all that shit back in. That's fine. But ultimately, I really really, really hope they just even if it's animated give me like an animated of injuries versus X men movie, give me an R rated X men movie like at straight are rated one, I'd love to see that. I'd really see cyclops like melting some fuckers head off likes bright burn shit. But all in all I I'm excited for it. I just wanna see what they do with it, and maybe do something unique and original, which Hollywood is also prone to do. So, yeah, that's kind of where I'm at with it. I look and I'm excited. I just I, I wanna give it a few years, like I'm a little, I'm a little town, especially after fainting. I need to wash that shit out of my mouth. Just give me give me some time before you start. Introducing the X men into the year, I think it actually is going to be a few years from what I'm hearing in terms of rumors and shit on reelect talking rumors, I didn't hear one theory that was actually kind of interesting. And I don't like delving fanciers, but in endgame spoilers for endgame in endgame, you Roca tells you that went Donald's did the snap. It kinda like sent off, like a radiation sparkle, some kind of like some, some kind of like Jane altering thing. So to have to have mutants come from that, like, that's kind of like days to enter it like to bring it in. I think, but then you've also got the issue of well as mutant Swick created and like, what the loss fucking year. So, yeah, I don't know. Like I'm show I trust. Kevin foggy and the guys over Dempsey. Fucking at mobile studios, like, because like I'm haven't given me any reason not to trust them. Sorry, I'm I'm stuck for whatever they did it'd be on us. Like I'll be right. Well. Kevin Feige even says they're revealed discussions, currently aren't happening in any way shape form fashion. Somebody asked him. Introducing the beauty of the franchise. They've been trying to tie the various parts of the comic university with ten years now. You're right. It's not too far out to talk about whether it will happen or not. We're not working on it anyway. Shape or form. We've got five films on the docket. We've already announced that we were taking a big percent of our time. But I will say that you're very good question that if you look back the fate, the face one after iron man was released announced are coming films. One of which was store people said, how in the world you bring. Oh, Norse, God, who flies with a hammer into the world crew savage for Tony Arkansas industry. So, yeah, they've got the reputation. I think they'll do it. Fine. I just still do some oriented ones, man, like come on this. It's this is Naomi. Yeah. Well, it's like this is the feather in your cap for your x-men films. Yeah. And it's like deadpool as well. Come on, like a just I don't know. I just hope they don't fuck that up. But his Nate Disney now earn who're. And I think I think they did say that they going to Cape deadpool rated, and they're gonna move it on to Hulu. I love Hulu. We didn't have. We didn't have it here. Thought. But anyway, yeah, I tell I'll go with my closing thoughts. I love this movie. There's not a whole lot of complaints about it. I would say, I would I would say, it's, it's like it's right editon anything less than I think it'd be like a nine point five for me, just because of with the like Daphne Qian's kind of emotion things. But the fact that this is God, the I mean, I think that Hugh Jackman this uncomparable to most of especially to most, but it's, it's kind of hard to compare him to anything when most of these actors haven't been given a chance like he has to do this kind of character do the same character for fucking seventeen years. Knock it out of the park used started at you ended. And that's that nobody else has been given that kind of opportunity, you know, he had to take a huge pay cut for this like he got paid twenty million dollars for origins. And then he got paid twenty million for the wolverine so like holy shit. Like in his time he has made like God damn I'm sure down. Getting. Bigger payday from iron man, but, but still Jackson's fucking cheeses, forty million dollars from making two movies. So like you said, I, I hope they do arrest after this and just give it a little bit of time. It was kind of, like seeing Jerry Lehto as the joker. Ben Affleck Batman, you know, just like not even what five years later, people like this. Okay. So I think everybody kinda needs a breather. We've just wrapped up within game. And we're closing out the that phase of the new. So I just, you know, looking forward, I hope to do it, right. To do Justice. And I hope they take their time. But I think the James Mangold did an absolutely great job with this, especially I didn't really know him from anything else. I know he actually directed walk the line, so that there's a few Johnny cash song stone in there. But I need to check out more of his stuff, but this is a very this game is very, very lar-. This movie is very like last of us. It's very fallout. New vegas. Very blade runner, and I mean, those are quite possibly some of my favorite things in the in the world, except for last of us, some sure I'm gonna get sucked into that comes on XBox. But all in all I love this movie. I don't really. Have a whole lot of flaws with it as a plot. There's not really anything a plot. That drives me crazy about it. You can argue why the fuck do they have to hunt down, Laura, if they already have X twenty four and it's like, well, you don't want loose. Ends running around, you know, they're going to go. Start a colony and start a fucking mutant colony and come back and kick off our asses. But other than that, I mean, what's to say about this movie that hasn't been said in this three hour long podcast? We. I love it. There's very little wrong with it. And I hope that people use this as a template for how to do more already. Superhero films in the future. Hell. Yeah, man. I you, you hit the nail on the head as I like to say. I think I think this is one of the best news out. They in terms of giving a series closure and finality. I think I didn't I didn't feel how I felt about this movie until endgame, and I know that's only what two years, but still, like it's just it feels like and for me to compare this movie to end game like that. I loved endgame game. And I loved the closure gave to I'm and kept America and this, it feels it feels like that, like it felt like this. We've just closed a chapter and we've closed a perfectly. We couldn't have done any better, you can feel the love that James mangled has this cartoon field. Love, though, Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart Heff h of their characters, you can just you can just feel that they want to do this Justice, and it plays onscreen as perfectly as a does. The acting in this movie should not be undecided. Like, the, the moments that, that given to shine like this Jewett. And I was about to say fucking mcallen. Stew, it injected fucking absolutely knock it out of the park. Definitely cain. Also also this movie's just visually striking. It's always a great, great watchman. Like, I, I wish that this movie was the end of the X men franchise, but we got paintings to me. So fuck it. Yeah, really, really really glad to have covered this movie man really top notch, one of the best when the greatest in superhero films of all time. If you wanna if you wanna reduce it to its basest element that it is a superhero, many then fine, one of the best truck and superhero movies of all time. I'll say this compared to the dock nights. I think I think, yes, I think it I don't think it's the posit I think it stands shoulder sold with it. I think they like you said definitely two separate movies. I think Nolan had a lot more to juggle than Logan does. But I think I think this definitely stands up to the doc, not as one of the greatest films of all time. And one of the guys superiors fulltime. Well, hell, yeah. Dude. But yeah, I mean I agree with you more. I just, you know, let's see what they do from here. I hope they circuiting this more animated stuff like DC's been cranking out there animated shit, which is great. They're fucking. Really, really good. Kids. 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Episode 341 - An Abundance of Caution - 3/5/20

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Episode 341 - An Abundance of Caution - 3/5/20

"Show for Thursday. A March fifth twenty twenty. Welcome to this is only a test. The official PODCAST OF TESTED DOT COM. This is on the Is welcome singing norm? Absolutely welcome to this special episode. No it's not special. It was going to be special this episode. It's not special every episode. I special Jerry Williams. Various duo cast cast now. This is just what we do here. Wow is it no I refuse to believe it? It's the new normal well. If you're watching the video you can see. It's just chairman. I on the PODCAST. I was hoping that shore could be here. He could not. He's out of office but we may have him check in a little bit via satellite via satellite. Of course but I was hoping to have ever awesome today for talking about the ten th anniversary of testing. I do I do. I didn't know I didn't know brought you a gift. No one knew who remembers. Are you making thing of it on the website Youtube Channel? I mean as they get over the weekend and I tweeted about it last week or maybe it was over the weekend but all my gosh. It's like it's been ten years and it's popped in my head because when we started in March twenty ten and then we'll remind me was march eighth twenty ten so that would be a Sunday. I WANNA say this year has he didn't know that though right. I'm sure we'll do that really. I'm sure I'm sure it's ingrained. You know if you go back to the DOT com and you look at our blog posts. Then you go to. The very very back of the archive is possible. It's possible absolutely. It goes to the very first few posts in the first post is on March fourth. Nothing more and more and not March eighth and that's because launched post. We exactly we were already working on the site and doing some putting up some content and putting it back logging it Not Back logging. It but Building up a backlog I guess before we launched there would be things for people to read and look at but March eighth when we launched officially when we first video do you remember. The first video was was it. Slow motion balloon. Throwing No. I was like a year and a half or two years in. I have no idea what was it was flip phones in condoms using them as under water protectors really tested. Tested is what we do. That's that was the idea. Jeremy Wow oh my God. I went to page one hundred and I'm only two thousand eighteen so yeah it goes back page one hundred one hundred you only do. Peach was a thousand. Maybe where does that take us? That takes us. Two thousand eleven. You're close yeah getting off. My God. Holy smokes I promise also a lot of people who who listened to the podcast because this is still a podcast. We would dwell less on the video aspect. I'm really glad we all right shouts army behind us that we can use to do things like facetime our friends in remote gallons and put up some media to reference the things we're talking about but it's really the audio listeners. Love you to Youtube viewers but the audio listeners who who support the podcast and it's true and the video listeners They complain about the microphones in our phase. And the it's all for the audience and the Audience Right Right Right. You know most people who probably watch it on. Youtube probably just put it on the background. Listen to the audio so long way of saying. Let's not dwell on the imagery but ten years also so. We're not doing a big thing because when we think of anniversaries it's tested had said so many has have had so many interruptions. You know you could count tested from when we started our youtube channel which was not in two thousand ten. We didn't have a youtube channel properly. Turn we w you do channel until really after we started working without him in two thousand twelve and so like twenty twelve was like really when you when you can think of it as one of the ways you can think of a milestone of the Kern version of tested started and also budget per milestone. Well congratulations rummage. If you'd think you'd be doing if you anything for ten years you think he'd be good at it and the one thing. I took away from thinking about it. This weekend is that boy. We're still figuring things out. Maybe you've always been good at it now. Just still still figuring definitely not always been good at it. He looked back then. Definitely not that that first video a flip phone right. Yeah condoms in condoms jumping into a pool. I'll give behind the scenes thousand two and a half minute video first of all that's proprietary video player on out in the whiskey media network. We were still working with our friends at giant bomb and comic vine paying for video uploads paint Yup and an hosting and it was two cameras. It was that video was shot in. I believe the backyard of the general manager of whiskey media McCain amac then his His poor Vinnie care. Villa shot that along with Joey. It was a first Hammamet. Joey really the shoe was on that shoe. Brother to cameras and what? I'm wearing in that video on Youtube. We did eventually. There is a costume of an old timey swimsuit that I got from like costumes on hate which was a costume swimsuit not an actual swimsuit so just soaked up water real heavy. Oh yuck cafe was gross. Yeah but put those goggles on. Held up those flip. Phones jumped in the pool and recorded some video. That's good yeah norm. Congratulations I know our top story this week. A bike has hasn't canceled no. I was just admiring that they had. Gdp in twenty eleven thirty on your blog law. Yeah Ooh so our top story. This week is talking about all the things that have been canceled this past week. Any surprise here I was I was holding out. Hope I don't know at this point. You know it's not so much as surprise we'd already seen some cancellations but there's some big ones this week especially GDP for in our in our own backyard. Yeah so in the past seven days things events in our sphere things that we would have followed or even attended that have events that have been canceled out. Overabundance of caution include the game developers conference and that was in the following sponsors and exhibitors pulling out right right so Microsoft. Ea Sony facebook all said they would not participate they would remote events and stream so GD unfortunately not well. It's exactly cancelled with organizers. Said is that they would be having it sometime later. This year postponed respond which. I'm glad that that's what they're doing. One I love. Gd It's a local event. It's a great place to we'll see if that out though because asking a lot of the world of game developers to set aside time later at an unknown date in the year and then make new travel plans and arranged together. I mean that said it's important event to them. It is important to a lot of smaller developers for big companies. I think it's also a big ask the Aslam to realign their announcement plans and the releases. Because you're That's going to have those things are going to happen regardless it's a networking event though most people just to get together for that. We absolutely want that event it's not like GDP only happens in San Francisco. They have other. Gd See events in Austin and there are other big game valve runs as well so by. Do hope that that's something that they will be able to manage doing and getting those sponsors backing exhibitors back. Because as an organization these these big convention companies Monologue People Nell but they're not all just flush with cash they can't just say cancel and chop it up as too bad. It's going to look at the next one could disrupt the organization and we don't know what the health of these organizations are. Yeah the cutting their losses. Because these are. The cancellations are due to current events concerns and they can't afford to have their staff capsule sick for for two weeks their staff but also the Chinese yeah. They can't afford their ten dis to be in. This is all adult very very practical and reasonable decision making but it is one of the effects that is that we're feeling it now not just reading about it in the news other events that have been canceled. Google that's a big one. That's going to be the heat for that. Nope that's not the link. The proper link in next two months ago Facebook F eight conference is cancelled. What else and those are. The those are the big technology events the Geneva Motor show. Did you see this video? This was fascinating toes. An empty motorshow. It was the city of Geneva. Due to the concerns said that any gathering of larger than thousand people had been cancelled. And so this was right. Before the motor show is going to start. That was mandated. Yes so the convention could not operate. Wow but the exhibitors that already shipped out there freight and had their booth not properly set up but had them in the building and so there's a video of you find if you look at it if you search Jeff Williams on Youtube of this photographer. Walking through kind of what looks like a wasteland of a child auto show convention. The cars were there. There's there's lots of booth set up and it looks like it was all the people were sending up just left for the day and our on. Coming back yeah. I don't know if everyone in the in the world who listens to this. Podcast has the same concerns as as we might in the bay area. It's a we have a different type of perspective here. Having had the first community contracted case of Krona virus like less. No we can go just down the road and then in Seattle of course on our coasts to have had the first US deaths from Ron buyers. So I think there are certain nucleus of the concern for the what's what a pandemic that could potentially open up and become more of a more of an issue in the country But yeah I know that there are people who are saying is much ado about nothing so we will. We will just have to wait and see and we're GONNA get kind of an update. Hopefully when we shorten later on the podcast other events around the world so Disneyland and legal and Universal Studios in Japan have closed closer doors for the time. Being Young. That makes total sense again. These disruptions that while they may be over cautious. It is totally the right thing to do. Because you don't want these big facilities and these parks to be potentially epicenters of outbreaks And then there are conventions that are still going on for example the Olympics so far are still on although there is talk that they may be postponed as well. That's a massive postponed. The Olympic right as an organizational thankfully. It's the summer Olympics right. A lot of these events you could imagine they could do virtual events online or does fairly three but sports sports lympics having our imagine what the Olympics does and there are a lot of comparable pensions. I mean Adam was just that one this past weekend C to e to But there are things like Emerald City. Comecon which is happening and some exhibitors not showing up there but the actual convention itself is still happening so and we know a lot of people in the Seattle area of going Emerald City Comic Con. And we'd love to hear from you about what that convention is going to be like When you're there if you're still going In the wake of all all these all these happenings there is a website you can go to. It's is it cancelled yet dot com. There's the top half of the websites useful. The bottom half is is for funsies. It's there's Little Fund is an into interjected throughout the funds. You don't care if not not so much. Yeah E. Three on the convention and we're keeping an eye on and so far not cancelled. Yeah odds are probably will be. That's interesting I talked to some game industry friends and they said maybe not not look at packs like passes thriving. It's doing great. I saw the to the tweets from people at Paxton looks like just as packed packed. Everyone's usages tune the elbow high five. The thing is that as a community fan event which is a lot of people are asking e three become that this might be the do it. You know just like say. Make it now so if it if it is strictly industry event. I think that's the thing holding it back and it might actually. I could see it being cancelled and see. Why don't you? I mean if you're planning on going. Would you take going if you'll still going on to someone you three are? There are events that you would decide not to go to. I'm considering not going to pinball league by absolutely just your. Yeah every weekly an league. The weak link in the chain is the kids because they go to explain that. I've known that for for at least fifteen months. Well we have a win win. Years starts going to school That the whole note new You know a hole in the wall there go to the Petri dish where all of the diseases are now. Just coming in and being shared with the most resilient the children yes yeah but they get home. Okay it's a logan's run and yes. Yeah yes that's bad news. So it's I'm wondering what would it take for a school to get shut down for two weeks you know? Is it going to be hundreds of local cases or is it going to be? Are we going to get cut our losses and close early? Who knows who knows. I mean I could see it happening this year at some point. I'm sure there are board members in group. We'd citing that right now. Have emails having this? Conversation has said as much yet yeah and probably giving parents the option to keep their kids at home if they not yet not yet really openly. Although I'm your kids asking for kids get sick all the time and stay home so I'm sure they would treat it like that but is there an awareness. I guess in the elementary Middle School. Yeah community and the kids themselves of virus and what it may mean. Absolutely and yeah. I think that the kids are probably their opinions are reflective of their parents opinions and whatever they're talking about at home and like I said you know some people think it's much ado about nothing. A lot of the kids say that and a lot of the kids who have parents who are more concerned are saying well. This could be real so yeah. It's who knows all right we'll keep tabs on things that are cancelled schools and conventions and podcast and hope podcast. We can do remotely Jeremy. Okay I'm GonNa make still do the podcast. The people out there at the audio listeners need need even there's no work commute they're gonNA be listening. Yeah somehow hey before. We're going to move on to the next house. You're you're you're gone last week. What would you tell? Oh Yeah we go every other year or so to ski that one in San Francisco Typically Goes Yup to Ski Yup and we delightful time had a birthday had turned forty six. Congratulations thanks and the time. It's very slushy up there which I resort to did you go to Northstar. That's a good one we. I think we're GONNA mix it up if we go back around and go somewhere else but we had a great time. The kids just love it. They love it because they don't get to see snow ever people in the mayor. We don't know what snow we don't get style and we don't get seasons really. What is that thing a lot? A lot of people the same year none none. I told you it was slushing. It was like sixty degrees. Oh then not a lot of snow skiing to be had they made snow you know and then they groom them at night and you can. It's okay in the afternoon because it's not like iceberg rates. It's whatever you WANNA powder or yes yes you do. Yes you take what you get from break at this point almost all right well happy birthday birthday and welcome back shoot up the segment with a little bit of a down note. I'll say had the partying of kind of an icon in in entertainment news and entertainment discussion. James Lipton who for long time host inside Actors Studio? Who was an actor himself? Cameos and things like arrested development had done work in soap operas and and really kind of our generation we think of as the first who who did celebrity interviews actor interviews in a serious way in a way that a lot of people do now in great conversations. He passed away at the age of ninety three. I used to watch this show every week like this is back in my days. Subscribe to it. We watch all the inside Actor Studios I. It was an hour long interview program with no scandalous material. It wasn't comedy although they had its moments but I mean he got actress to open up in a way that I just absolutely got addicted to and I loved that show and I will I miss. I Miss Watching it but you know he was man. The world is better to have had him in it for sure there. What are the interview shows that you go to now? If there are any fill that void I mean I don't I have no idea that's a good question. I mean there's hot ones which I think is that is that's that's where the millennial generation for sure. I think it's great. I think what they've done is is a really smart thing but it is not inside. The studio. James Lipton took himself very seriously but at the same time he he he got the actors to give in mentally personal interviews and open up about themselves in the Robin Williams. Episode alone was one of the Best Robin Williams performances like on film. Is there an archive of? That's good question. Yeah I'm sure I'm sure there is now a fantastic show. Not He was ninety three. Wow me neither now. Directors and actors themselves now are have lots of platform to talk about their work and one of them that I like. A lot is varieties program They have a director series where directors look at specific scenes of movies. And they break them down so the have a almost a screen in front of them and they literally have a dry race smarter they can annotate on the scene they and they pick. It could be a an old movie. New movie like for example Ran Cooler for Black Panther. Did the big fight scene inside the South Korean casino. There's been a great one to production designer forrest. Gump talk about this scene. Where they were forced goes to Vietnam and kind of the whole set dressing of that is really really in depth and fun. Kind of just a mini documentaries almost and it's not an interview format. It is literally the filmmaker just talking to you and there's one that was released recently by Ryan Johnson. Not for the last Jedi but for knives out out have you seen yet. Yes saw the future. I didn't sorry okay. I think we thought it was all right but I I. It was one of the rare cases where I saw like. I figured it out. I saw the ending coming I. That's not usually me. That's usually so as I watched it actually thought I wonder if Norma's enjoying this at all because it seems I myself roll with it. It seems rather predictable. Did you not think okay? This makes perfect sense. I like the way that I rolled with the movie where the where I felt like. I had a hard moment. Oh it's going to go this way. Ron Johnson was smart enough to anticipate that or at least. That's what gave you the clues to know that. Okay if this clues planted here the audience alley. Some hard ons is going to figure it out very soon. After and so I'm just gonNa tell them and not not have the weights all the big reveal. Yeah like he. He kept he. He kept pace with his reveals. Okay that's what I enjoyed the acting immensely I would. I would go see the sequel. As soon as it's out there and they're working on it's going to be another Daniel Craig playing the detective and but the the reason we're talking about this is he broke down. The scene is out the the seven scene where he pops in and he starts cursing out everyone. And it's a twenty three minute video where he talks breaks down like the blocking of the scene in which claiming that it's it's one it's in the trailer like Phew Phew few on your shit and your shit right before the will read the reading. Yeah Yeah Okay. Yeah and he mentioned drops the kind of anecdote in this video where he says that apple refuses or okay so this is an interview. It's not about nights out. This is not about knives out this. He says that said Apple will not let you use their phones for the villain. It's crazy this sounds like a rumor but he's saying this is fact in Hollywood. That apple will not let not let movies portray whatnot. Allow VILLAINS AND MOVIES. Use iphones so that they won't be associated with evildoers one. I can't imagine this is actually true. There are villains in films clearly using IPHONE. No he says they can't absolutely there are villains in films using I gotta be. I'm picturing one in my head and maybe I can call one out right now but there has to be maybe what he meant was that apple will not give you promotional consideration right like they won't let us show the apple logo or they won't pay to have their products in your movie. If you're villain uses an iphone I mean it's just. It is interesting to me how much we think we're apple things that this makes a difference like clearly that there there's some grain of truth whatever. Ryan Johnson say apple has at some point suggested they don't want villains using their IPHONES. Right right I mean we. We can at least take that for granted that that's that conversation was had at some point so that means that apple thinks that if villains did use iphones people would like the iphone less reputation they would sell less iphone and apple TV plus being its own streaming service and there are the rumors when they were spinning up. These new shows that the shows had to meet some type of you know family friendly guideline because Melissa family friendly brand. And that's not the case at all. These shows are tons of cursing swearing. They're big. They tackle very tough subjects. And they're kind of really all over the place and apples okay with that so I I don't know of Roddy saying actually is actually true but it did make some headlines so okay so we're going to say it's not true. I don't I don't think it's true. Okay I and from a legal perspective apple could not come in and say you're not allowed to use an iphone. No that's the question if it were true but with the leverage be like what does apple have that the movie studios need because apparently there's not distribution. It's not like. Oh we're not GONNA put your movie on Itunes if your feelings using an iphone right. I don't know it's weird so I think the leverage is probably if there is an existing relationship maybe in that case like like if there is promotional consideration the the ars Technica article that talked about this. They have a quote from somebody. An attorney who says the movie studios do not technically need. They don't need the permission approval in order to use everyday devices on screen if they are us as the device was intended right. Yeah okay is that. Is that true so like you couldn't turn the phone into like something that's not. Is that what you mean? That's exact crime or making a big plot point communicate with outer space. Can I communicate with aliens with an iphone as a villain like would apple allow in evitable? Et remake for iphone to us as the seen those commercials VR Ones De. Yes yes it's mature banner for comcast horizon. It's one of those big media. Companies Elliott's all grown up now day. They brought him back good for him. Good for the actor whose name I don't know go get a cash a paycheck and rebuilt et. Oh yeah well as soon as they rebuilt it. Yeah it wasn't. Cg though no Real Amtrak that's nice. Yeah all right. We're going off the rails here. Other bits of Culture News Amazon prime subscription service is launching a bunch of new science fiction. Show one of the few services where I feel like. Maybe it's like Jeff bezos direction because jeff basis is such a known science. Fiction Fan. A he was he cameos in Star Trek beyond as an alien and and he's definitely like he's a guy who who loves science fiction and for his service maybe it's under his direction but he wants to see science fiction on their and that's why they had that th Okay Dick Series the all g series and there's a new series coming out called tales from the loop okay tales from the loop. I'm super excited about this. Because this is a series based on concept art from artists Swedish artist named Simon Stone Hog and actually featured one of his books on one of my favorite things they once a year or two years ago. But it's you've probably seen this concert five floating around and got these wonderfully painted scenes where it's a mix of kind of other worldly robots with just very grounded on earth scenes you know farmland amongst cars. There's an acronym aspect to it. There's a car is farmland. Yeah Industry and then you have like a giant robot in the in the background and it's an alternate world right of what of these aliens or robots although it gives realism that some Scifi to slacks. Yes for sure right. It's almost a neo. Blom camp style disregarding. What if these very fantastical things live very long side? You know earthly population without having to make blade runner style aesthetic And he released. This book called tails loop and it was a book of concept art with some of his kind of world building behind it connected. Some of these pieces together wasn't graphic novel. It wasn't a story isn't a story behind it and Amazon license that art. Yeah and now is making it this show That's GONNA be out on April third and there was a trailer and it's produced by some Swedish filmmakers. I could never let me go. Director of enrollment go Matt Reeves who stand the Batman also a producer on it. And it's about a town who lives not really anthology series but each episode I think's GonNa tell us different stories about people who live in this town that are all connected by these by these robots and these creatures that was going to ask because you said there was a story to the book and they licensed the book and so if every images kind of disconnected are the episodes going to be. I think that's the idea. They're taking a piece of art and then using them as inspiration for an episode. Yeah but then creating their own methology for how these things can be connected but it was in the trailer you see essentially these these these concert pieces you know realize and put on screen and it's just it's really lovely. That's awesome. Yeah he has another book I also like the electric toast. I WANNA say Google that quickly electric state the electric state. It's about traveling a road journey across the West Coast and that's also licensed as well to do options as well to turn to a movie. I believe the Russell Brothers are turning that. A movie and does producing. It looks awesome. I mean the the aesthetic. They have a lot of children in there. That are using technology in a way that they're very comfortable with which makes a lot of sense. It looks like it might be. There might be some scary moments but it doesn't doesn't look like a horror show so I think this is totally in the vein. Black Mirror in terms of like technology interfacing with everyday life. But let's hope less so much of a cautionary tale and more in the vein of like a science fiction novella of like they're just trying to story. You might expect that from Amazon. Yeah Yeah Indiana Jones. Five is being filmed. Well we'll be starting filming in a couple of months. We have to acknowledge for it does. Doesn't it yes? No we watch for a couple months back and I enjoy for what it is. Get out the rest of this show. It's still Steven Spielberg. The worst Spielberg movie is still. There is still. He's such you can't not enjoy watching. Spielberg movie just for as visual competition. Just we're like inventiveness. He has an his filmmaking. There's there's good stuff from that movie. I'm not saying it's a good movie. I'm saying there's good stuff in that. If you'RE GONNA make an Indiana Jones film. It has to meet a minimum bar. It just has to be a minimum a minimum of quality. That unfortunately for you. If you're making aced an Indiana Jones film that minimum bar is quite high. It's actually pretty good higher lower than star wars movie. Well they're both lose products. That's a good point like that's very good interesting thing but because of the stall John Because of the love you have for the first film the first three all three three okay and Tahseen all three set a bar. Yes yeah there's an expectation involved here and that's that's absolutely true but you you expect with Spielberg like like Lucas. Could've been hands off enough till the let it be good. But maybe maybe you're right. Maybe was Lucas's contaminating of that fourth movie. Is He involved in the fifth? He cares not right now. Lucas done. He's out yeah. Spielberg might be done to. Yeah because the report is now that Spielberg himself isn't directing it right. That James Mangold who directed at four V. Ferrari we'll take the helm it'll be Harrison Ford back. You'll still be Indiana Jones in his mid seventies seventies. Maybe take on the Sean connery role. He's tweed jacket right now. He's going to be Professor Jones. And May I. He's knocking swing on ropes. Skilling you're right I don't think and it's not been confirmed I don't think Charlotte buff is back in this one. That was the big that was that was a problem. We all had. Let's be honest. That was the problem. We had with Indiana Jones for it. I mean whenever I mean. I'M NOT GONNA blame in a Shiloh buff. I think they made some very crucial decisions store. Decisions plot decisions or all. I remember is swinging on the vines and that was the everyone talks about some innovations that is by far the worst part of the movie. I don't remember that because people talk about it. I remember that because I saw it. I didn't I didn't see it with any expectation I was. I was hoping it'd be enjoy good food good movie everyone talks about because that is what we all remember because that was the worst part of the movie it was bad. Cg was unbelievable action. It was if you look at like the action sequences that Spielberg has put together. Kind of like the chase stuff. One of the best things he's done is in Tinton. Do you remember that chase sequence in adventures of Tintin going through the town? Tinton had that polar express and so I never watched it. You should watch it. But it has that uncanny valley doesn't it yet but they're they're they're not supposed to be photo real characters they're still with the. I should say should see ourselve- hair guy I I don't think that all of India Jones for his bat okay. I think there are some really fun sequences when in this move on what. Tell me about any Jones five. Well we don't know anything about five but my point is without Spielberg. Why Make Indiana Jones five at all? I understand I think it'd be Mayo. Indiana Jones movies is a young man's game I think that's a that's fine for them to pass the mantle. They they did it with star wars and it got better well at that point then. Why even make Jones is so tight unlike star wars which was not just tied to Luke skywalker or Han Solo or Ker Fisher? Indiana Jones is tied to the namesake. Right the the the one actor the one character. Unless you're going to go full reboot go prequel or complete reimagining and recast it. If you're GONNA do Harrison Ford Indiana Jones also gotTa do Spielberg. Because then you want to close a story you want to say okay. Maybe we didn't get to do what we WANNA do. And for we want to end Indiana good note. This is your one chance there's Lore you're so gentle gentle you like James Lipton like he would never criticize anybody's work on the on his show and you were so kind to the I. I'm not saying it's a good movie. I just saying I understand that. A lot of those lockable. We did a lot of hard work on that film and creative decisions. That's where Lipton's coming from. I think he has that that that inner view on the industry and he appreciates all the effort that went into and I I will say even you know. I'm not afraid to be critical of performance like Harrison Ford Indiana Jones for. I think better performance than he did in force awakens or bladerunner. Wow all right there you go l. Listen at least it felt like even cared somewhat really. I remember thinking he knew this was nonsense. And that's Indiana Jones. That's the character to whatever. He lives in an crazy. The only novel my comic surprise is that in Spielberg. Not doing it is that I mean. Clearly he could do it if he wants his Steven Spielberg. He can decide what to drift and what not to direct the fact that he doesn't WanNa do it tells me something like I dunno because he must know he must know that his worst movie in. No I'm going to rank steelwork movies. What do you think is worst movie? I think probably that one. No loss Traffic part two loss world. I doubt I don't remember hating that movie while I was a kid so I did. I didn't know that movie but I if I re watched those movies I so. I'm surprised that he doesn't want another shot. Michael Jackson coming back to play basketball. He he icon surprise. Bill doesn't WANNA at least just cleanse himself of Indiana Jones by doing it again or so. What does tells me is that. Maybe he's he's beyond that he's like above it as wise enough to pass it on if he is still involved at lease out producing aside and this point maybe he had done enough work on the film already to lay the groundwork and it's just the day to day you know he's already blocked out all the kind of types of scenes and visual flair that he wanted and then James Mangold. Is there really there? It's just a direct performances. Then I could see that in terms of still worst films did you Google it. I mean his list of films yet. They're all pretty good for if you're talking about the film. He directed of course. Of course he's produced some some producing means nothing right putting your name for roosting. There's that can range from you read the script and made some notes to your heavily involved. Day-to-day like absolutely as a title doesn't mean much to me. Crystal Skull. I think is definitely up there. In terms of the worst yeah. I never saw the G. He didn't do the jaws sequels right. No no no I kind of like films Munich. And Oh yeah even the terminal. What's wrong with the terminal? It's kind of unspectacular. Yeah it's a solid bright film hook people don't like by Love Hook that was like high school for me. It's Doug I had the soundtrack and everything. Oh Yeah Elementary. I don't know the software the soundtrack but for me it was being lost. Kids wore the world's some people might say is his worst one. Tom Cruise wore the world's movie. What do you think that's a c? I get that and Independence Day mixed up as not him. That's real quick him but it doesn't think of the movie I forget now. People say was a disappointment because it was so little focused on the the war with the Martian. It was just a small story it was it was a Spielberg story right. It was a father and his kids trying to survive. In this apocalypse I think the takeaway here is that a bad spielberg film is a rare thing and it must be something strange. There must be something else contaminating. The water he's made unremarkable films. Bridge OF SPIES. I it was Oscars. Yeah but I thought it kind of it was okay. It was fine. It didn't like it didn't need Spielberg right. I don't know about that. That's that's your taste speaking. They're still at high quality film mentioned bridge of spies and Crystal Skull and like say that they just don't even seem like the same director they they seem completely at odds with each other if I had the option of watching bridge of spies or crystal skull as just like a Sunday afternoon. You're a nerd. I Would Watch Crystal Skull. Because that's at least a fun. Romp right purchase spies too serious okay good performances but doesn't scream spill burke to me anyway. Hopefully we can get Stephen on the podcast. Talk Fed off Lipton's not here anymore. You know this podcast can can take up the mantle inside the director studio one trailer. Want to talk about before we leave pop culture segment. This is a new animated film from Sony Pictures Animation. It's called connected and even though I larry just two minutes ago said that producers I take producing involvement with a grain of salt. This one is being produced by Phil. Lord and Chris Miller the level guys directors of movie went to twenty one jump street twenty two jump street the first director of Solo unfortunately and also the CO writers on producers on the spider first film so they have produced this film. They're not writing or directing WHO's directing of one of the guys who did gravity falls the cartoon. Funny Okay. Has that sense of humor. Our plan the trailer behind this. You should definitely look it up on Youtube. But it's I like the style meditation. It's different this. Is Sony going with a very different style of information again compared to Spiderman and it's way different from Spiderman well so when you think of like I'm all animation studios have once like their look. Illumination definitely has a look. Okay now the people who do those are the people who do the minions films and the secret life of pets films right. I think their style their their direction and the way they do animals or expressions havelock dreamworks. I think also somewhat has a look when you look at things like the crudes and how well known that they have a look they have a facial expressions s yeah very gum and dreamers film and Pixar to some extent look no look it's quality. I'm not saying it's not quality but if you look at how they do the humans in inside out and how they do the humans in old. Saudi there are similar are they. I think they're a little bit similar and that's absolutely true if you look at incredible obviously very different visual style. That was the first film where they're really even did a lot of humans this Disney animation studios right like we look Moana tangled frozen. Those characters have a Disney. Look yes them right. And that's a that's inherited from the Dizzy Wright the style I think for sure even though the the the the rendering and effects may vary intentional. Sure Sony it seems like very different and then paramount also like if you look for the film or a what's one of the ones they do But anyway Sony. The Norman thing. There was a year. There was a polar bear Ryan called. Yeah H right. That's Faulk here in Norman so when I was thinking. Oh that's like Oh row was stop motion. I'll stop motion paranormal. So I didn't I didn't think we should watch BRASCHI. It's stuff like also there's a look if you look at the Kubo NPR. Norman Corwin. Sony Super Interesting. This has a similar kind of look to The county of the chance of meatballs. But they're doing. I think some of what they did with spider verse and using CG animation but makes it look like a different medium in the into the spider verse with CG but it looks like comic art right so they're doing a lot here with like hard edges and is almost look solid white so I think they're doing a lot of things that would traditionally be used to illustrate in but they're bringing in the. There's almost painfully standards. You mentioned. Yeah he gave you look at even the backgrounds like the wood paneling. There's looks like watercolors right. I really really into the style. The lines are all squiggly. A little bit On their shirts and I'm really into the the visual styling. I hadn't noticed that. Look those trees in the background. Those are paintings. There's not it's g model right. It's not like Bijan Matte painting with all CG. And I really appreciate that. These artists are allowed to kind of experiment with visual. Even they're still using computer rendered environments and characters but the story of the trailer self almost plays like a short film. Like it tells you a lot about what's going on. It's a two minute forty second trailer and it's a dad who is Probably very familiar to a lot of people in the podcast audience especially in the in the west coast where we don't allowed technology at the table and we're trying to communicate relate to kids trying to communicate with the kids and get them to do in a personal things out of watching. Tick Tock. Yeah and so. That is the dynamic they have fam- family mother and father with two kids and I guess there's some daughter's college wants to leave the family leave. The father wants to feel connected to his family. That's not the film. Yup while the kids are connected to the Internet. And he's there he goes too far accidentally breaking one device. GonNa vote solve. This got connects us. Go to college road trip to college on its face. I do think it does sound a little derivative it's like. Oh this is an obvious story. A parable about our times in the Addictions that we have to our devices. I think unlike most cartoons I think pe- families might go to see it because they can obviously relate to it like on the on that level. Though but the trailer does tease these fantastic elements that are gonNA excite me or people who may not relate to this yet right. They have their robots in this. There's there's some type of it ends up. He's right and ends up like he's clearly justified thinking that technology is bad because technology turns bad. Yup Yeah so yeah and I hope that the guy did of course no one for Lord with their humor irreverence and also just kind of big bold storytelling. Do I love cloudy with a chance of meatballs. I hope that makes it through West Film. What I hope to see from this film is not just the he's right but that the kids are also they're also their form of right so that they can sort of because I'd love to understand what it's like to grow up with a cellphone like I don't know what that's like and so I would like a new perspective on how that is actually not all bad just like you hope the kids would love to know what it's like to have grown up with dial up or no Internet if only you could make if we can make a whole generation of people appreciate you know. We're the last generation. Jeremy I was. I was telling my son about those like using. He was downloading far cry or something on steam and I pointed out how fast he was downloading. Gigabit yeah like sonic megabytes. Second Yeah and I said you. How big a megabyte is it's a million most consequential Tim. Yes a million a million bites. Yes and then I was like. Do you know when I downloaded games. I had to download games at three hundred mega bits. All your Lucky Jeremy. Do you remember when the quake three Q. Three tests came out Q. Three tests it software released. Its own download manager for a q three tests and back then those multiplayer. Only this is back in two thousand. I want to say and this was the first demo anyone who is in the PC gaming was looking forward to this. You get to maps to play in quake three to check out and this is when the graphics cards were were discrete graphics. Were first blown up when people buying VOODOO ONES. Hutus for this and nvidia Riva weights and downloading remember. How big the Q? Three tests was. I'm guessing it was maybe a meg. No No is more than twenty six. Was it wholly what that no care? You say so. I'm going to confirm Q. Three tests was twenty. Two may look at that two to twenty two mex who I know this because it took me two weeks downloaded two weeks because it started. Stop Okay I actually on twenty eight K. Dalla as long as we're just one upping each other. What I actually misspoke. I meant what I was telling. My son was identified things at three hundred. Three hundred Baugh. Not There's Kaby no three hundred baud so I downloaded sixty four K. Game took me forty five minutes. I mean it was nuts and I would of course down things overnight to two weeks though too. I would leave it on during day. Go to school. Yeah come back and it would fail. Restarted to trial and error to get it. Did you have a dedicated phone line? No no so your parents were like picking up the phone and Yes yes. Yes no share. Imagine the cell phone equivalent to that that you could not text which is equivalent of you if someone texted you while you were trying to watch youtube video that would ruin your really to watch youtube video. That's the equivalent that's that's equivalent of nausea more download EMICA phone call right so no snapchat use snapchat or youtube or twitch. You can't have both. That's what it was like dollop and even after a downloaded the Q. Three tests and ran the benchmark. Was it like ninety five ninety six three three. Yeah Yeah. That's that was the one. I was excited for the job by. Then what should we have Pandora Gamer point four years later? You're talking about only on my interview three tests but we're the lost generation remembers who lived a significant part of our life. Yeah with our Internet and then are living of course the our lives with Internet. I love it. I would not want to on the perspective. I wouldn't want to be an any other generation honest to God like even in the far future because to be the generation that grew up ridge the Guy Saul video games begin and go like when asteroids was like something amazing. Yeah missile command like defender when these things were brand news this equivalent of someone growing up in the eighteen hundred seventeen hundreds and saw the printing press and like we have the right down books manually and then you could buy a book. I suppose so. I suppose there's there's a similarity there but I think I'm not sure if books have ever been as popular as video games are in terms of consuming generation or two now. Yeah it definitely not cars like there are people go one hundred years ago who lived in the world with horses and then automobile right and that changed the world for shore or Industrial Revolution Right. Which is not to say. That books aren't better than video games even but I just don't know if like if they've ever if they do you think. Do you think books were the video games before video games four of entertainment and credit output. Yeah one hundred percent. Yeah they still are but happened like have they been used surfed? I mean every kid plays age of mechanical reproduction right the loony manuscripts versus the printed page. Right I mean mass production democratizing of publishing right now. They're analogs there but definitely not as pervasive as digital technologies games being one part of it internet connectivity digital device and it's all about convenience it's all about feeding getting those neurons firing feeding that it was also connection and how easily it is to connect to millions of people. Yes we're doing right now. And then how the world before that? How isolated but still how the strength of those connections. Maybe were stronger. The strength of one's really ship with the characters in a book. You mean or or not you the the the five friends you had over message board. Oh shrink those connections over the kind of more federal connections. We have today. Yeah being everyone being interconnected perhaps so. Maybe that's why the Vr community is so tight. Could be to wonder what would that be for my child. Yes no idea. It's scary conducted in theaters. 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Yes Tech News. Get Him ready to get. The loan. Takes a Ginger Success Ginger Candy? We'll goggle yeah. Yeah Yeah. Oh He's got. Oh ooh I see an email? That the new Mickey and Minnie Reid is opening at Hollywood studios. There's another new ride. There's a new ride. It's replacing the American classics. The old animatronic ride going through them. I I sigh because I love that old. Ride the one in Hollywood studio. I don't know if you would studios was a half day park. Before they open the galaxy's edge and one of the premier rides was this kind of it was a dark ride that went through the history of film and they had animatronic replicating so my connex scenes in film from wizard of Oz. Seeing the rain aliens these great showcase of of the onyx and they closed inside the their version of the Chinese theater in Hollywood studios. Nasha down into me and replace with the first Mickey Mouse. Ride Mickey and Minnie's Hollywood studios a runaway railway which is kind of a kid. Friendly sounds a little bit of a roller roller coaster. You're on a train a train ride. Yeah Not Thunder Mountain though. No no yeah I missed it by two weeks and also I'm bummed that the other riders unscarred. That's why I say that right. Some VIDEO GAME. News teachings off here half-life Video Game News Kinda Kinda what maybe right death trending which Kajima and studios released on PS playstation a PS four highly regarded game of twenty nineteen. Yeah played it. Got Many awards at the Games. Awards the hiking simulator back man simulator. And I think that that's not selling it correctly. I think that that the apparently I haven't played it either for the very first part of the game with a lot of that but it opens up into something entirely different looking forward to what tally different media. Who play really like it. While Kajima game rate so big ideas interest in art style gear materials in this game as well as Norman. Rita's he went to my high school. Caramel detoro no normally. This Benicio Del Toro with him is different. Belgian. Del Toro here for different dealt. With how dare you being ported to PC and it will release on June second on steam and the epic game store awesome now on steam. There'll be some bonuses including half life is high in. What does that mean. I don't know it makes it look a little silly. I didn't. I thought the game was took it more seriously than this. Maybe not I think there are accessories. You can trust your character in to make them. Look more Gordon Freeman. Glasses had crab hat. There's you can wear the gravity gloves. Somehow Alex so definitely they've got assets are have partnered with valve to put these half-life needed assets into death stranding yeah and it's launching simultaneously with epoch so they get the exclusive on this one. Yeah Yeah Yeah definitely look forward to playing this or at least a couple of hours the hiking simulator. If it's relaxing it's a thing to zone out and do and that what you want from life video games and says the photo Florida as well for people who want to take these really cool photos with ahead crap on June second. Some apple rumors apple of course or always looking to the next thing not talking to iphone this week talking displays on lap book laptops laptops macbooks and also the I mac. The latest rumor out of analysts and from the supply chain is that apple is going to start looking a mini. Led screens releasing later this year on the IPAD pro and maybe even the the macbook pros the sixteen inch and thirteen inch might become. What does that mean to me? The consumer norm. So there's GonNa be some confusion because micro a mini are different from micro you fold. Cbs This past year micro. Led's were hot new technology and kind of the the successor to lead. A lot of the manufacturers are a lot of money Do Research had built factories for micro. Led production they have the benefits of old lead with the burnin outstanding But many led's are basically are traditionally accepted the back lights. You know how you have a back light up panels. But you don't with lead and sue me don't with micro led correct correct but we're not. There are very expensive and burn issues over a long time and my colleagues are very expensive. Because they're not even out yet and there's still being okay yeah so cheaper or more cost effective and still standard is l. CDs and the LCD's are backlit with led lights. I asked the led lights on whether or not their laptop have basically zones the used to be one big light and with the development of led lights because smaller lights toback light. And then you have to find a good balance to defuse that back light and to not have Have even mighty outright. So you know how these kind of weird dark spots around the edges as well as local dimming which allows for better battery usage also better contrast or are you telling me that that. M- many many allergies are the back light yeah for LCD displays and it is video is just the all all catchall name for LCD displays with now smaller. Back Lights okay. Small to a point where they can be two millimeter. Wow that is many so talking about maybe a doubling of or quadrupling of zones of back lights. Yeah because it used to be on size to get zones at all used to pay a premium used to be like a global backlight and undesired supreme. But now you're saying it's like super zoned. Yes and super zone and that would be the standard for at least apple products on things like the IPAD and the macbook pro interesting which means perhaps better better contrast right better block levels. Yup maybe brighter screens as well. The bigger news new permanent and o'byrne of course and they're getting burning on these streets because the iphone uses Oleg. And it's cheaper I would've met because L. C. D.'s are basically free now like I don't know if they're like there's you if you go to buy you can get fifty five sixty five inch. Tv for like nothing. The factories our expertise experiencing cut them at any size. And really yeah. It's a commodity product. Lcd Panel itself so these Oem's and apple find ways to make them interesting and improved quality. All right good and the bad products are great. We'll have all my advice is aside from the IPHONE. Lcd's you're not my TV is not true but you know my laptop desktop all LCD. Lcd's fine totally fine But the bigger rumor is that in addition to the sixty inch pro getting this display the thirteen inch backward pro. Which is what you're using right now. Yep May get a similar upgrade. What the sittings Scott. Which is screen Mike? Bigger while the form factor same an apple may be looking to bump up and revamped the thirteen inch backward pro and make a fourteen point one inch Mac Book de Seems like their Mo is to make bigger screens. Keep the same foreign becker. Yeah maybe slightly thicker for for battery purposes. Do you have a lot of basil on your screen. Not I mean I'm going to say it's not terrible but there's certainly room for improvement a lot of space up. That's right Tim Cook. Yeah those guys look at it that there's at least another inch. One point. One inch of improvement. I could see on that display there. I'm sure just how the conversation yes measure out there. Yeah I WANT. I want this part gone. You can keep that part and keep that front facing camera. Maybe go for your for your face on camera for that would be. That'd be pretty good luck. You'll love that thirteen. That's the the super popular form factor for the macro proline good for airplanes. The question is whether this will include discrete graphics or not if this graphics on yours who knows video games on a Mac. It's not just for Video Games. Oh rendering rendering what you know you could. Oh you mean like rendering video. Yeah run over and it's not video but also like if you do cinema four you work on your Michael Pro. Yeah some people do that because they do. You know Invidia has different drivers now for whether you WanNa do games or studio work. No yes I stopped driver. Yes and they say. Like if you use these new drivers with a blender or you other three d studio apps the actually get like six six the performance? What go figure? Why not just have one package in no applications specifically what you're using? And then you know I like your drinking I do like you're thinking what inhibits. I have no idea it has to be done at the driver. Level like there must have been some techie engineers there. That said you know we can do this but we gotta make different build. Can we do it sir? And then like the corporation and they said let's try it. I wonder if it's a competing departments that we made the driver. I like it. We made no at least both and see which one gets downloaded more. I don't that's that's how it works out Trevor. I'm curious if anyone knows love to hear apple sticking with apple they had to they had to give a settlement a five hundred million dollar settlement from class action lawsuit if my third or like in on this he wants his twenty five dollars over. Sison to throttle performance. Base on battery derogation. So what's before in? Iwa software over time your is. Your battery got worse. Apple decided to start a performance as opposed to letting your battery over heat and some people didn't want that and so you can get up to twenty five dollars for each iphone owned. Yeah an apple actually backed off on that they allowed you to on throttle. Yeah Yeah pretty soon. After this came out yes I wonder if if that was a that was a bad for them. If that led if that was used as evidence in the lawsuit that they had done wrongdoing. I don't go aspect. Of how how that case when also know that they also conditions allowing people north all their phones. They're not completely up front with the fact that batteries are consumable now And they're programs built in place for you to replace your battery if you want to go through that inconvenience and pay apple or a certified repair center to do that because apple rather you just swap out the phone by phone. Yes but replace the battery. How do you find out if you're eligible you? That's a question. I don't know they usually have type in the serial number who would know their old serial number. You must be able to just say I bought one and build the show receipt. And yes but there's gotta be a website. Once website launched up for people to start following their claims. We'll we'll share that but up to twenty five dollars per per phone. I want my twenty five dollars. You're going to do it. Yeah Twenty Five Dollars. Twenty five dollars absolutely. Yeah there's a rumor out. There in apple rolled. That apple will be making a smart keyboard for the next IPAD. That will have a built in track pad a smart keyboard with builds intrepid for the IPHONE. Basically for that turn the IPAD to essentially. It doesn't have that right now. No you can buy the IPAD. Cover the keyboard but no no no no track pants sport right now because it's pretty limited. It's accessibility yeah. It's not it's not very user facing well there. It is turning the IPAD into their laptop. Do you want occur on your IPAD. You ever feel like you need the cursor touching the screen and dragging knock enough you do get her like in a text thing like notes if you hold down space bar and then you move the cursor with Arrow key Arrow keys to move that around dude using a touchscreen to move. That thing around is fantastic. Yeah Yeah I would want us to aero case no the the ipad itself is a touchscreen us so did you. Why do you need a track pad convenience? If I'm down here at the keyboard on stay down there I don't get fingerprints on my screen. I don't know seems like a good idea to me. Do you think it speaks to more mouse like functionality? Though I think it opens the floodgates a different types of confusion some application that maybe optimize for these things they have the pencil. What about the DOBIE APPS DO THEY SUPPORT MOUSE? But for those adobe apps you have the pencil I mean like I can't imagine like active mouse support on an IPAD application to feel as good as it is on a desktop class system right but what holding is there anything technically holding. Iowa's the IPAD pro back from running ten APPS. Yeah they're the ones. That are the ones on six that's you can't you? Only apple solved that internally. I mean they would be going the other way. They've been trying to get a yes but they're complete different user interfaces like. I want you shop on on Ipad the same way you use photoshop on on your desktop. But I'm just I'm waiting for one of these to your products either IPAD or the to start supporting the other ecosystem because it does seem so obvious to me that you could do that and opened up a whole world of software. You WanNA use ipad applications on your desktop on your macbook touchscreens. And they they won't give you touch. Screen is not for exactly but that's what it would like. They could certainly do it in a heartbeat if they wanted to. This is what makes the move from Intel to arm on the macro aside on macbooks and I max and Mac pros seem like such a big challenge. Like which is still a rumor. That's that's the rumor is going to happen next year. Due to see the first MAC books and we'd short. I've talked about this if they do it. Would it be across entire line? Would it just be like an? Would they segment the entry level? Macbooks would have the chromebook style. That's his arm compatibility or would you would you? Would someone be buying a four thousand dollar sixteen inch macbook Pro and not get full functionality on day one because developers are still scrambling to port the applications? And you're never going to get support for some applications right. Yeah that's that's a big challenge for apple and then the argument that. Oh if they got arm working on their macbooks the fact that you could run than ipad applications with a cursor. That's not a. That's that's such a google way of thinking about things as a crutch to say. Now you have these millions of IPAD APPS on your math book. That's that's not a good solution value at you. Say so me. I don't think I need a truck truck bad on the smart keyboard. Well I'm just saying what does it signal. Yeah Yeah if if they do make it happen Google speaking of which they updated the pixel phone lots of new updates one of which is basically three touch. Which Apple got rid of the averill place? The force touch with it was called three touch. Yeah phones was it. Yes because they got rid of the whole sensor that can detect pressure sensitivity right on the screen of the phone. They changed it to duration long press. Yeah Right which kind of works doesn't really work by makes things very confusing like on the camera. Application does belong press for recording video versus for doing the lots of Shuttleworth shutter. It tried to make three touch a killer feature of the new generation of phones were reviewed it for the iphone success and then they did was they realized so few people were using it. Let's just make it you eye problem because it wasn't clear how to use it the best implementation three touch on the lock screen when you would hard press a button to turn the flashlight or quickly access the camera you say that but I bet most people still don't know that that was there like I think it was just an invisible feature and so what but what they did was they made. They made the feature available to everybody was long touch with longtime. Yeah well for Google on the Pixel phones as part of the speak feature drop. They have basically their version of three D touch. Yeah no the Pixel phones. Don't have that sense or don't have actual pressure sensitivity. But it's not duration. It's eight nine is force. Yes and their way they're approximating. The force is how much of your how much of them come. Touch is actually smushed onto the screen and make sense and they trained that through machine learning. Yeah I don't know why apple didn't do it that way because apple doesn't have machine learning resources that Google has apparently that wildfire by that. But Okay Kinda like night-sight the night mode on Google. I think better the night on on Iowa and they were first market and there I end is one hundred. Percents machine enables feature and Google's speech recognition better too. Yeah if apple had the ability to this they would have used this as as the replacement for three touch or oriented an option at least alongside mom touch. It's just weird to me. I do think that longtime is more easier to rock as a user especially people who aren't carefully tactical. I don't think that the idea of pressing a screen with varying pressure makes a whole lot of logical sense to people because it doesn't appear to respond to pressure in any way that you can see or even really feel unless you incorporate those half Dixon phone enough you you the whole screen. Press down when you press the screen. No yeah there's an old android phone Yeah we're we press like it move and whole screen dip down just a little bit like I mean visual effect. No like physically okay screen. The press screened depressed to make you feel like you're pushing something. People have been trained since forever. That touchscreens are just sort of like a tap lights out. There's not a nail log like it's just tap interface so it's a it's a hard nut to crack. Yeah Yeah and last of techniques about Tesla cars because of the virus it turns out that Tesla can't manufacturer enough of their new computer systems that you need for full full self driving and so some people who've bought the new model threes are supposed to have the new process and they're don't get that chip and said they have the first gen chip people complained already. And so Tesla. Beta statement and said that the hardware would be upgraded free of charge later on the supply chain was back in operation. But right now you're going to get the two point five chip as opposed to the three point. Oh chip what does that mean you know they upgraded the actual hardware three hardware inside that was going to do you need that for full subscribing even paid for. How long has that been in a sense? Last April I believe okay. Yeah Yeah are we. Are we dialing? Ooh preempting. Getting Ready. He will not soup and then the last bit of technology who's also with. Tesla if you bought a model S. or X. Previously I think two years ago you had the old infotainment system. Meanwhile the speed of your touchscreen interface wasn't as fast as when they upgraded that processor. And you could actually operate that now. Well Twenty five hundred bucks. Would you pay on your Chevy upgrade? No no that's a huge pro and you lose something lose like am FM radio place with streaming radio. That's funny yeah. But then you get their century mode and you get a lot of other more responsive touchscreen and and but that's that's A. That's a I read that the new seats are good. Did you read about that? They actually changed the model three seats this year this year. Yes so change them. The first year they came out I saw was different from two thousand seventeen. Twenty twenty. The seams are in a different spot. There's different what's different support. It's supposed to feel better. You got old seeds dude. That's okay at the two thousand eighteen model. I've Mayes of the two thousand twenty model. Twenty seventeen bolt was great until this year. We're now the twenty twenty bolts have hd backup cameras built into the river both the rear view mirror and the backup camera which is like in the main con- person no well you don't wrestling out on. I've seen all you know. Is that the intellectual information that that you are now inferior and even know what the benefit is. I know I wanted you. Could you could mean completely meaningless unlikely. This is a high definition man moment both sides are. Oh No can't hear you speak. I'm speaking there. He goes hike ashore. So Nice of you to join us. Yeah it's great to be with you. Jeremy and norm old seats fan over there. What do you? What do you call me hold seats all model three as the old? Oh thank you yes yes. The seats were only the passenger seats and not the driver seats in which case I don't care that's what I'm gonNA virtues to believe how you doing. I'm doing well sorry can't be there. Something came up. I'm excited to be here. I don't get my music. Jeremy What's going on? What did I play no? He played science. Maybe shorts can hear. You couldn't hear us very funny. Did you hear US talking? You heard heard you talk for. I did play the music. You're good. You're good okay. Is there any kind of science stuff that we should talk about this week? Nothing going on rain. We're talking about things. Being canceled is our top story but why things are cancelled is why we have utilized in A. What's the state of things? So there's a few things I'm GonNa do my standard qualification. You should when it comes to the crying virus you should get information from highly vetted sources like the CDC or the WHO. I'm adding a new level of of caveat here. I think most people should stay the fuck off twitter for Corona virus information. I think it makes you crazier Frankly the WHO actually add a line on their guidelines telling people to stay off social media when it comes to sources of information because it changes so rapidly by you know. I want to say I just told my wife to join twitter and subscribe to Science Quiche to find out information about corona virus. So I will now pass on the new advice. Well I have some other twitter people to follow. If you're really looking for information. There is a doctor. Tara Smith who is an infectious epidemiologists ideology is her handle myemma. Jim Dr who is at the Harvard School of Public Health does a lot of great reporting in the public health perspective. Helen Brands Wahl from stat is probably one of the leading journalists. Who's been reporting on infectious diseases for a long time but I'll share a link that we can jam in the Youtube comments and elsewhere Public Health researchers have been maintaining a twitter list of experts that are curated by public health experts. And it's a really good resource if you want to deep dive So all that being said my first comment is that there is the single most logical phrase and all the entire galaxy and that's dope panic and that's the right thing to do even now There's a few stages that were kind of going through with the crown of Iris The first stage which you know if you wind back this podcast a few weeks. You could hear me talk about. Is when scientist start talking about. The mathematical models they start talking about are not and the prevalence of the disease and the potential prevalence of the disease as its spreads a classic globe. The next phase tends to