20 Episode results for "James Joyce"

Reclaim Your Life; Reclaim Your Body

The Mindful Minute

30:53 min | 2 years ago

Reclaim Your Life; Reclaim Your Body

"Welcome two weeks. Two of our April series this month series is called reclaim your life. I really love it. I hope it works for all of us. So we started last week. And what we talked about was reclaiming our time. And really what that emphasis was was to stop playing victim to our calendar. And really acknowledged the fact that everything on our calendar something that we put their and then working within those parameters. So we're going to now take another step on the path of reclaiming. Right. We start with time. Maybe clearing some space or feeling at least aware of the commitments were making. And today, we're gonna talk about reclaiming our bodies. And we're gonna talk about it, in whatever way, you perceive, your body in this moment. Right. So for a lot of us that can struggles with that can come from media, images social media can from illness could come from injury could come from trauma can come from birth. It can come from thoughtless words from kids twenty years ago. There are a lot of things that impact how we perceive our body. And as much as I wish I was the person who could fix that for all of us. I'm not and I couldn't do it. If I tried, but I will share this. I have noticed a common thread among this struggle whenever it comes to talking about healing something within ourselves. It is almost always accompanied by the word should. As in. I should lose twenty pounds workout more. Try a different combo holistic herbs. Eat vegan, sleep, more, CEA therapist. I mean, the list can go on and on one of my therapist friends, always says don't should on yourself. Right. And we like do this infinitely should should should should should. And yes, maybe we should do all those things. And maybe some of them will even help or feel good. But none of those things will erase our lived experiences. None of those things will turn back the clock twenty years. And none of those things will be some sort of magic pill that fixes all the problems. So as much as we can tinker with diet and exercise and sleep in support as much as that stuff can help us. I also think it's really valuable just to look at the foundation, which is to reinvent our bodies. Most of us are living somewhere to the side or behind or above our body. James Joyce, so brilliantly brilliantly wrote, Mr. Duffy lived a short distance from his body. And that's most of us. Most of us live a short distance from our body. A lot of us live from the neck up. Right. It's a little bit easier. We don't have to really process emotion there. We can just be logical. We can get through the day. We can move move move. And what reclaiming our body is asking us is to get out of our head and actually come down from the neck down into the foundation of our body. Our practice really invites us to do that. Right. When we sit still for however long. We sit still today. It'll be about twenty minutes when we sit still. The invitation is to not leave and for many of us. That's hard work. Right. We sit still we close our eyes on our brain. Just naturally takes over all night. I will sit here and write the grocery lists that I'm gonna need for tomorrow. And I will plan how I'm going to get from point eight point see and the hundred other things that need to be planned. That's what I'm gonna do when I close my eyes and my work as a meditation is to catch it as many times as I can. And without judging myself without coming down on myself just to come back and say the point is right here. There's nothing to do. There's nothing to understand or explain you're not going to open your eyes and writer dissertation about your experience in your body today. You are just going to relax in to your body. The ideas of being present in our body without judgment and with compassion are the two pieces, I really want us to hold onto tonight. So without judgment means not saying I bet everybody else has their legs crossed. And here. I am having to cross my legs. And if I ran more or did yoga more, maybe I wouldn't have to do that. Or whatever your version of judgment is right. If I was better in meditating, I wouldn't be thinking right now, and then compassion so compassion is an interesting one because the definition is to be with somebody else's pain. And so our invitation when we met a Tate is to be with ourselves with whatever shows up, and it's not about fixing that in this moment. It's not about fixing anything. It's not about finding the silver lining or making it better are only work is to fully inhabit this moment. So we're going to practice together this evening, again, twenty minutes or so twenty minutes, and they'll be the space of silence in there. And in that space of silence Thatcher invitation to inhabit your body. With such gentleness, and such kindness. See if you can stay present for what you feel. What you experience maybe what you think just notice that. I tried desperately define this quote that I remember from years ago, and I couldn't find it. I don't remember who said it. So I'm paraphrasing entirely or making it up. But the gist of it was helium is not about getting back to where we were. Healing is about embodying. The present moment fully. So that's what we'll do tonight. Right. Even if it's just for twenty minutes. Can we body this moment fully, let's find out? So take a moment. If you've already had your legs crossed, you can crush your legs crossing the other way, just to get lead flowing, make sure you feel balanced you're gonna let your hands rest down onto your lap palms face down. If feels comfortable for you tonight, you can close your eyes. And absolutely you could take a soft gaze towards the ground. If you prefer. Together. Here we start just with the cleansing breath. So nice big in Jalan. Release asai. And we'll do that again inhaling. Big x let it all go. Allowing your breath just to flow. In our practice. We just breed as we normally would. And in this first moment, I always like to start. Just by silently same to myself. Now is my time to meditate. Now is my time to meditate. And with that invitation, you could feel yourself really sit down. Relaxing, your hips. Your thighs your shins. Noticing the base of your body fully supported this evening. Subtly lifting up in lengthening. The spy. Feel a nice sense of height. You might even stretch up through the crown of the head. So the back of your neck feels law. All. The muscles through the face. Relax, forehead, your eyes. John. If it works for you this evening, you could even invite in just the subtle hint of a smile. Not because you're happy or you're trying to be happy. But simply because we're going to allow this moment to be exactly as it is. You could feel your shoulders relaxing. Maybe noticing the length. The Wade of your are. Letting your awareness rests down into your chest. So that to notice bre. Heartbe. Sense of spacious nece are heaviness nothing at all what do you notice there? Gradually leading that awareness trickle down to your belly. Seeing if you can just soften the belly. What if in this moment, you didn't have to engage? You didn't have to protect. And so the back of our body is tall and engaged reminding us to be a week. The front of our body is completely saw. Reminding us to be open. From here, we begin to feel our breath. Perhaps today feel your breath just along the upper lip or the no. For some of you may be the throat or the chess. Where do you most feel your breath? Feeling are breath. Doesn't need any words. It doesn't need description. Narration. Simply inhabit our breath. And as we move into a period of silence. You simply gently do your best. To feel each breath. And without doubt. Each of us will also have. Each of us will get distracted by noise or feely. Without judgment. Just invite ourselves back to feel the next breath. Continually returning. To this body. And this moment. Taking a moment here just to deepen near breath. To shift your seed bid, if you need to relent mean, the spy. Together, a group. Let's take one final cleansing breath deep and Helen like go the Cy. Taking all the time you need to wiggle your fingers toes, slowly open, those eyes backup. As we finish up today. I just wanna share one final closing thoughts. Because when we work with the idea of Rian habbing our bodies, especially if it's a place we haven't been in a long time, it can be tremendously uncomfortable. It's one thing to sit here and talk about it and say things like, no, judgment, compassion. And it's another thing to actually put that into practice. So I thought I'd share a story that I love and find inspiring. And so this story is about a man named Hillary who is devoted meditators for many centuries ago. And he's very well known for. Really hanging out with his fears. So he was in his solitary cave doing his meditation practice and at that time and in that tradition. The goal, of course was in life. Right. And so here he is doing these devout intense practices and just like any of us when we sit still long enough all the shadows. That we keep in closets buried inside. They start to come out. And most of us battle with them. We don't want that stuff. I don't wanna feel angry anymore. I meditate. I don't wanna feel jealousy. More meditate. Right. So we struggle with those less pleasant feelings and experiences, but he was known for every time one of those fears or comforts would arise. He would say. I'm so glad you're here comes down. Let's have t-. Let's talk a while. That's what I say every time. And of course, fear has no interest in hanging out when you invited. Right. Just like every dream where you've ever been chased like by faceless person. If you stop and turn around and see the person you never have the dream again. It's over right fears the same way if we turn around and look at it. It's gone. So this is what he did. And all the shadows come out and one by one they disappeared dissipate. But the one the one with a capital T. The big one the monster would not leave. It didn't matter. How much he said come during tea with me. It didn't matter. What niceties he threw out? This one Munster would not leave. Until eventually he thought there was nothing else. He could do. So he walks over he places his head in the Monster's mouth. And in that moment that monster to has gone. And so I just offer that in whatever way perhaps it helps you as you sit in silence and stillness, and you struggle with whatever comes up that day to think about inviting for t- for hanging out for a while. And if nothing else works, perhaps we even place our head in the monsters. Thank you guys so much. I'm a stay.

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Tattarrattat

Something Rhymes with Purple

34:49 min | 4 months ago

Tattarrattat

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Hello i'm welcome to this week's episode of something rhymes with purple the podcast the word nerds but also anybody who has ever stopped to think. I love that word. Or i really hate that word. I'm susie dent. I work on the program countdown. I also dabble in dictionaries pretty much all the time and with me. Is mike wonderful percents. I'm friend john's frederick hijaz. It's good to be with you. We haven't met in a long while. And i would like you to be the first person that i hug. But you wouldn't want to hug me right now. Because i've got a cold a stinking cold call and i didn't know how you manage this because i'm looking at you screen but we trashing little bit before we came on and i now have a sore throat. It's the part of personality. My wife has been saying for me for years. You know marvelous jobs but just tone it down. A bit. remind spa- people you don't give them the full thing every time but i'm so keen on you susie that i've been breathing into the microphone. Has been going down the line. And i'm so sorry. It's the kind of illness equivalent of an echo. Praxis and echo. Praxis is the center prices. By which if someone you orleans then immediately infectious and you you have to you as well I didn't quite how that works for sore throats but yes literally just come on. i think it's all psychosomatic what we ought to talk about this week. Well every now and again we like to shine the spotlight on one person who has contributed greatly to To our language. So we've we focused on george orwell. Haven't we adopted. Johnson of course charles dickens and jazz. Ut's of weeks ago. Someone who i'm going to be completely honest about. I have not read very much of asshole. Which is a polling really because he has made an impact in a very sort of strange slightly tangential way he has made an impact on our language and you will find many of his words in the dictionary. But i wouldn't say many of them equally was we would use every day but you know so much more about him than i did. I'm going to sit back and listen today. We're going to talk about james. Joyce one of my favorite words that he came up with his smile's smoke s. l. e. s. m. i r. k. Which is a cross between a smile and a disdainful smirk. A smile smirk. He did have an amazing way with words. James joyce we are so blessed we who speak and read the english language that island exists because island has given us some of the greatest wittiest profound exciting writers. If you like the theater as i. Do you love the plays of sheridan and oscar wilde. And bernard shaw three. Great irish playwrights. James joyce also wrote a play exiles but he's most famous for his novels and i do not only because i did him for a level and a level and i dug up my notes and i thought i might begin since you know so little about him by just reminding you and everybody else who james. Joyce was james. Augustine allah wishes joyce great name ball on the second of february eighteen. Eighty two Same date second of every one of my daughters. She's called site through won't give her an interesting name and he died on the thirteenth of january nineteen forty one novelist but born in dublin. Where his father and his is relevant to his stories somebody went around collecting the rates. It was educated at a jesuit college and he became captain of school. He then went on to university college. Dublin he had a great imagination and a great mind. He started naturalist and symbolic symbolist literature. In paris he married a lady called nora barnacle in nineteen. Oh four when he was surely. Isn't it great namen. She again important to his writing nor is fascinating name barnacle an even better name in some ways and he left island and then lived on the continent teaching languages at trieste and in switzerland the more than ten years and living abroad is is relevant again to his writing one of his devotees who helped him with his writing and also is a great irish writer. Samuel beckett also contributed to the language though. He wrote mainly in french and then translated his blades back into english. Anyway back to joyce's first. Publication was a volume of lyrics poems and songs called chamber music and really he becomes famous and we begin to recognize him through his short stories. Dubliners and that was published in nineteen fourteen. And that's in a way a very good with which to start stories about dublin. And the book. I did at school and this is how most people listening to this to be introduced to him portrait of the artist as a young man. It's a biographical not and that came out in nineteen sixteen but his fame on the book that i have read many have tried to read an abandoned. It i don't pretend that. I've understood it all even understood any of it really. It's an avocado. Unisys was published in paris because of the censorship elsewhere. It was reset six times by the printers because joyce kept rewriting it every time he got the proofs but eventually yes. What did you james. Joyce the misprint your book would have been treated as a great original new words anyway. When eventually it was published the first printed copy on his fortieth birthday and one critic at the time described as the greatest novel of the twentieth century. While another said it was the foulest book ever print that we have to talk about how scatalogical he is because it made a huge impact. For that reason. Well didn't it. I think unisys is a little bit like tristram shandy. It's the book that you take on your summer holidays because you are finally going to read it and you never quite get round to absolutely. I still haven't finished warren peace. Nevermind ally sheriff's don't do proosed yet. Bruce seventy exactly the films. They they help us through a and people have tried to make things like you to seize in into films. But you're right. The language was banned in medical nineteen thirty three when a judge ruled that one many places it is somewhat emetic new. Does it tend to be aphrodisiac. And the story deals with a single day in dublin and it is amazing. Let's begin to explore some of the words that he uses and have some fun with those. But i will just share with you. My favorite samuel beckett story because it gives you a good impression of what joyce was doing with language beckett. The man who wrote waging forgotten was a younger person and helped joys in his writing he would dictate to beckett and becky would rides down and once or twice he was dictating a bit of finnegans. Wake and other great works. And in the middle of one of the sessions there was a knock at the door which beckett didn't hear and so joyce said come in and beckett wrote that down and afterwards joyce was rereading what becky did written down and said. What's this come in and said you said that. And joyce thought for moment and then decided let it stand so he was willing to see. Coincidences a collaborator. So i just need to worry too much. Somebody knocks at all. He says come in becket rides down as part of the book and it stays in the book so we can be quite relaxed in ways. So let's choose. Let's let let's look at some of the words. I mean he's most famous. I think for a hundred let a monster of a word. That appears in finnegans. Wake that begins by bob dying talk. I can't even do it. People will have to look it up or even read finnegans wake. Do you know about this word yet. Well it's it's supposed to be representation at the thunderclap that accompanied the fall of adam need so it Poster guess sounding frantically ominous and and heavy and powerful bass. Got bronco in it. Which of course is greek for. Thunder is gonna sun in the middle and it's got a certain look at the end which sounds very norse like and he much thunders viking. So it's a very clever word camera pronounce it. No no chance. If you it's one of those words you'd have to break down into ten parts and then you probably could. Because i think in the middle that i can see after bronco there is tornado. Which is the french fall thunder. isn't it it absolutely. Is the italian duo. No is in there. And the japanese cami nadi the most famous of the ten equally enormous words joyce conjured up if fantastic word as say the. These are the ones that stick in the memory. If not on our tongues. Because i think we particularly in a us many the words became up with. You can admire that fla the Versatility there is one word that he does ease. Which i actually quite like and i think we could do with bringing back into the into the migration that's up. Do you know what that means. I think it means with your wife. Isn't it means busy. I mean being devoted your wife. Yes so am. I guess joyce absolutely out this was a husband dotes on his wife. Possibly slightly obsessively there is a single word that describes the reverse a woman excessively fond for husband is meritorious. But if somebody's not wasn't picked up really but he himself said my right does which i think is beautiful. What treaty mattis is that love to love love. Awfully what is interesting about his books. Is that the only ones are certainly the easy ones to read. But even the ones that you don't quite understand is rather like i don't understand music but my friend sheila hancock we'd be making television series where we got on canals together. She has got me some airpods and is making me listen to classical music and is trying to explain what it's all about to me and i'm not really understanding what it's all about but i'm quite enjoying it and that's a little bit. What the this music. In the language of james joyce who don't always have to understand it tonight. That is one of his words tat well. It's clear its version of rat-a-tat isn't it. Someone's of someone knocking and it goes into the guinness book of records. I think as long a single word pal andromeda us directly that he a. T. t. a. Double a. t. t. a. t. He's a strange character and he has a tough life because after his written ulysses next seventeen years he begins to go blind. And this is when he's working on finnegans wake this is why you have to dictate to samuel beckett. And the truth is the stories are comprehensible. The latest stuff is kind of musical and strange and some of it really is to me anyway. People and he's experimenting with language ends up quite sadly because during the second world war. He is in zurich and he dies there. I mean people say worn out by privations and worry so. His personal story has great joy and great unhappiness to and the language. Is i think more intriguing and interesting than changing our language. He does take a word like sausage though news. It hadn't been used before. Do you know about that. Yes he verbs it isn t so. We've often said on the podcast. Lot's of people blame for being on north american english to say this is terrible. Sign of degradation of is that we turn everything into verbs verbs into nouns as well. But she's been going on for a very long time. and yes. Sausage transformed the noun jay. Joyce transformed sausage into into a verb from the noun. Meaning this is according to the d. to subject a personal thing to treatment reminiscent of the manufacturer or shape of a sausage. Which i think is good isn't it. He's not obviously one of the world's i think he has introduced language or or given a new twist is botch-up. Yes similar to bug up. I think but bochum tells about that. Yes say botch up is being used for a long time. So i definitely didn't Coin that's been used. Since the sixteenth century meaning to repair early barge which is another english style at were to make a massive something but again joyce took that verb and we worked it into announce her botch up in ulysses is a total mess. A botch up of concert. A veritable chabot. Yeah what about chiseling again. He bit like shakespeare is and it's very difficult to know whether a particular writer actually coined the phrase or whether he actually popularized something was already in common currency or at least bubbling under. So it's possible that cheese alert had already been in use in irish line before he puts into print in the nineteen twenties. But it comes from a slime use of chisel to mean to fleece money from so a cheese ller. He uses as a nickname for a young child and ulysses. Now you can tell me this. Do you know whether she's lawyer is actually a flea surra. Swindler works for a criminal of some kind. No i guess i think it's just an expression it'll nickname. He gives him like a like a cheeky brat. Then that would be a little bit like a a wide because a lack which we now apply to. A comedian actually began as a a nickname really for mischievous child and it was a walk. Holter say fairly dark humor here. The idea is that the child is so mr vested they might whack. I hang from a holter that the news of gallows so Yeah it's it's a similar idea. I think one of his words that i think is quite useful is mono ideal can me about that. One well mono ideal basically means expressing conveying only one idea mona ideal and we live in a world where people who are sort of obsessed with one thing and bang all about to the exclusion of everything else and i find that slightly irritating. I think that's a a coinage of joyce's Mono idealism existed about really before him in the mid eighteen hundreds meaning kind of single mental fixation but mono ideal is a word that he came up with. I mean what he was really into. I think is what we call on a matter. Remind me onomatopoeia means and what are awesome is sort of sound almost. Isn't it itches. Am it's used of a word that represents through its sound the thing that it describes the formation of a word from sound that's associated with it like cuckoo. Aw sizzle at that kind of thing. One of my absolute favorites. I was aware of this one. Because it's it's possibly one of his. Most characteristic sentences poppies mic his mic. So that's the smacking sound of a person's lip up post post participants quite hard to say but the sentence he uses it in in ulysses absolutely brilliant if i can get through this flurry whispers to her whispering. Love words murmur clapping loudly. Papa smick plop slop. It is consciousness. Isn't it really. And it's verbal music extrordinary. Another of his automatic words is more now mall. no. I think i'm pronouncing correctly. Who who's he isn't hitter tennis m. r. k. g. a. o. m. k. g. It's his version of meow. It's you several times. And with a variety of spellings in ulysses it's mao the cat said loudly blinked out of avid shame. Closing is mewing plaintively in long showing him a milk white teeth. Oh and you see it works in. Its own way. He is an extraordinary person. Do know the word polluted polluted. Yes i do know that one because it becomes this one after the break because it is one of many many many many synonyms in the english language for being drunk. 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Does the lots of words like this. Oh my goodness so the brilliance cobra for jonathan greenaway says the waterfront the slang narrow but very very deep and he produces these mice fantastic timelines of particular themes. Within english and you can trace the different synonyms for that particular concept. Some of them are quite rucci will find the vagina penis all sorts of things in there. But when it comes to drunkenness off. The timeline is absolutely incredible and quite losses in the d. But i have to say slang furnishes lot more if you can. I would urge you to look. Jonathon green's about jonathan green. His timelines of slang offering free All available online as fantastic's line dictionary and Yeah i mean polluted billeted just two of many did james joyce invent the kwok q. u. a. r. k. So what is he. Is it for it in the physical sense as we would use it today in infinite he three clocks musters mark and it sounds to me just like a bit of rhyming fund that he's having three. Quarks musty mark show. He hasn't got much of a bark and show any he has. It's all beside the mark. this is from as well apparently a us physicist murray gell mann he coined it in nine hundred and sixty four but he did later associated with the use of quirk by james joyce so definitely influential there he said i'm employed the sand quoque for several weeks. This is the physicist speaking in one thousand nine hundred ninety three before noticing. Kwok in finnegans wake which had parise from time to time. The illusion to three quirks seemed perfect. I needed an excuse for retaining the pronunciation. Kwok despite the occurrence of mark bark mark and so forth in finnegans wake. I found that excuse. By supposing that one ingredient of the line three quirks us mock was a cry of three courts for mr heard in. Hec air with his. Gosh that's there's a whole lot going on that great so actually it's core than kwok. I think i'm going to check if you can hit us. If you look in the oxygen rich me you can click on audio and get a pronunciation. Say hey guy kwok they go and in the. Us quirk the regret. I use the word ring roundabout. Because i rather liked it before the break. And that's used in ulysses demean To completely surround something okay scribbled the hobble scribbled hall. Sounds like was horrible. That was the name joyce gave to one of his notebooks which jotted down names and words ideas turns of phrase anecdotes and the word has made its way into some english name for a rough notebook. I'm gonna drop that down in my scribble. I wonder whether he actually lingered over these confections and really thought very hard about how he put them in or whether they were just very spontaneous as a stream of consciousness which which is what we got a new disease. It's in the oxygen inch dictionary. It appears that the first entry one of his notebooks for finnegans wake and he uses it substitutes scribbled the hubble for an instance of scribbled hoy used with reference to school children working at the lessons and in fighting remember. I said it reminded me of hobbled the hoi that already existed since the eighteenth century and i love husky hoy because it describes a teenager particularly boy here is kind of Slightly difficult twilight stage between boyhood manhood and so is ever so slightly awkward. Hobbled away very good. I mean some of these words. I think because of the story. I told you about begged writing it all down. And when the when he said come in keeping it in the book. I think a lot of it. Just all came to him like he has the word. Unbe shoot back. It's an refund. Bumper sheet isn't my favorite time for an umbrella. And what's the origin of bumper. Shoop is that a victorian term for number one. Victory in the bumba is simply from umbrella. Bumba and the shoot bit. I think is it. Works written s h ot that is a variant of shoot as a parachute because it kind of looks like a parachute that you sort of have above your head. Said she is particularly north american. That when i love it and umbrella does that come from the word meaning. Yes major. Son shades Umbrellas but of course particularly in britain and many parts across the world. I was actually hearing a lot about the fund. The plumps in florida this week from the trump's destroyed you being heavy sudden unexpected samples of of rain but in in rain-soaked countries. The umbrella became a rain protection rather than the sun protection for which it was originally designed. I think what joys was doing is winning. needed a word. If there wasn't a word that came to mind he invented one. When snus is a good example of that. I like that when snus means what it says of someone will something. Witnesses is sort of the source. Point where where they came from the place from which it came once when mrs gorgeous and actually we have a letter from someone. He's also been pondering some new word creations in the spirit of joyce so. This is a letter from minnesota. And pull peterson who says we recently gave him. The bibliotheque clapped meaning someone who still books and he's wondering if there's a word for the opposite. His wife for example firmly believes that no one should own books. And the if you read a book you love you to give it to someone who you think would love it as well with no expectation of ever sing it again. Is there a word. Such a person and he suggests pool a biblical. Do or pan bebe list which A great i think and arlen pondering this little. And i can't actually come up with anything better that would be great puts out to the purple people and and asked if the mistaken coined a word that means somebody who loves to give books away In the language of easter island there is famously documented. By adam jacob one in his usual tingo the word tingo which means to borrow objects from a friend's house one by one until there's nothing left i think he may have thought that from his his predecessor. Howard rheingold is brilliant. Tin goes. But i can't think of anything for somebody who just loves to keep books away did well. I think we need to challenge the bubble people to bring out their inner james joyce and come up with an original word and if you are if you have read any james joyce particularly if you read the tough ones ulysses finnegans wake and want to put his right on any of this on tennis. What y'all favorite james joyce word is do communicate with us. I think my probably my favorite one is yu-gi-oh box yogi box. It just it's fun. He coined that word in your aziz and it did to describe the equipment and paraphernalia. Little spiritualists carries around with them. Hits his yogi boogie box. So if you can come up with a word for the door or your favorite word by james joyce or new word in the james joyce tradition do please communicate with us. And if you haven't read an james. Joyce give him ago and probably start. Where i started when i was a teenager with the easy stuff. The portrait of an artist as a young man. All the dubliners and depraved his legs with caution. We've had to another letter. Yes about vice. Yes this is ryan from it. He says i just had a random random word thought and of course you were the first people i thought. What are the route to the word vice. I'm thinking device in vice president to do with holding position of authority versus device associated with immoral behavior. And he says the same thing some would say So thank you ryan for that. Well the vice as invoice captain simply means a substitute for a not comes from the latin vic v. i. c. which means change and not also gave his vicarious which means that you are experiencing something through the medium of someone else so the idea of channeling authority three. Someone else will substituting being substitute for someone else. So that's the voice is vice captain vice president etc device. That is the sense of immorality has a different route. That's from the latin. Vrt are u. meaning vices. Well which gave is vicious that originally meant kind of sharing immorality if you like but it was extended to mean savage and descriptions of bad tempered horses and later came to mean spiteful and now it's actually even stronger it kinda goes against the tide of many english words where they lose their power. This one is that she gained Over time and finally there's also the tool sent his well the voice. That's a kind of a screw or a winch. That again is different. Showing just how many journeys all advocacy makes that comes from the latin vetus via it is which means vine and that's because of the spiral look of the tool the spiral grace of great tendrils or my favorite letter. The week comes from one of our regular. correspondents professor. marc laviolette. who is in about. He has a great name. And here's a great job in the department of mechanical and engineering at the royal military college of canada in kingston ontario. And it's appropriate for this part of the podcast. Because he rides shawny the collective noun for three vocabulary. Words suggested weekly by english lexicographer. Susie dent an aimed at improving. Elocution and writings is a trident brilliant. Isn't actually thinking of that yet. Very dry dent. What is the origin of the word. Trident in fact we missed. Three three toothed really so you have to remember the content sent to and possibly my ancestors had quite permanent teeth. Alternatively it might be topographical to dent in in yorkshire. But yeah it means tooth so it was a three pronged. Fish spare wasn't it that poseidon And born by britannia three teeth. They said try again whether you are a trio and so have you got something we can get our teeth into. Have you got a trio of interesting words to share with us. This week's yes. I have a dialect word today from devon in britain which describes you if you in a state of nervous apprehension. I seem to spend my my life in that we were talking about being on tenterhooks. In the state of nervous apprehension you can say your twitter t snip. Twitter t snip snip. That's a little slow slightly. joyce were self snip. Yeah it is now. I think if you remember one of my trees for a little while back was a spin drift which is one of my absolute favorite english words and spend spendthrift is the tang of the season discouraged by the a you know sometimes you can taste on your lips. That salty tying the see but if the see is particularly whipped up by the wind producing a spin drift. It is spew. Mustn't spew mustn't means frothy or foam link. Spew mustn't will. I think that is worthy of james. Joyce to spew message and finally a gallimore free. I think some people will be will be familiar with this. One and gallup simply hodgepodge or jumble or a bit of a mass and it comes from the french. An unappetizing dish made of all sorts of different ingredients is strange concoction gallimore. Free hodgepodge exactly what. What is the yes. Indeed the joys went up but what is a hardwoods hodgepodge. Come from and hodgepodge hodgepodge right you know. We need to return to food. And i'll talk about them because they're so many different words that for a complete mess that are related to food. So leave hodgepodge with me. Good we'll come back to food will come back to you very shortly. I'll give you one more. James joyce story and then oppo him a short poem by somebody who was a a friend of his and also rather strange person who ended up pretty unhappily but this is my favorite story. A young man comes up to him in zurich and says to james. Joyce may i kiss the hand. The wrote ulysses which joyce replied no. It did a lot of other things too and now the poem. And i thought i'd do today by ezra pound controversial putt strange man. Eighteen eighty five thousand. Nine hundred seventy two. And he was a friend and collaborator of james. Joyce times and the is simply for lines and the days are not full enough on the nights unfold enough life slips by like a field mouse not shaking the grass such peaceful times excellent. Well thank you. Sorry i was just wondering that one. Thank you for listening as ways. Please do recommend this to friends if he likes us. 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EP 1 | Paris: A Curse in the City of the Catacombs | A Short Story of the Macabre | BLOOMSBURY CHRONICLES | Audio Drama | Paranormal Thriller and Supernatural Horror

D. J. Swales Gothic Horror Tales

06:43 min | 10 months ago

EP 1 | Paris: A Curse in the City of the Catacombs | A Short Story of the Macabre | BLOOMSBURY CHRONICLES | Audio Drama | Paranormal Thriller and Supernatural Horror

"The saudi fiction is recorded for an adult audience. It may contain scenes of explicit sex violence and disturbing supernatural entities listener discretion is recommended towards paris occurs in the city of the catacombs. Chapter one down and out and dublin and paris. I don't often talk about. Why left paris last year. But my mind won't leave us alone. Memories of my neighbor. madame blanket. Felder jolt me with the realization that there are things out there that want to hurt us to hunt us by things. I should be clear. I mean entities of this earth but not formed a flesh and blood. This last quality is perhaps why they covet us. I'd left dublin. For paris's a struggling poet following in the footsteps of james joyce and many irish writers and poets who all had their paris phase i even journey to the city of light in the same manner of those luminaries by boat and train. No low cost airlines for me. The has to be some hardship. I mean i'm not escaping. The mass deaths of the irish famine grinding colonial oppression. Nope i'd merely being performance every dumped by my girlfriend during his poetry evening. Her explosive argument practically shut down the event. I was so embarrassed. Another reason to leave dublin. It didn't help chances that my poetry had received twice as many votes as our own on top of being dumped the gourmet burger company. I slide for near trinity. College fired me without explanation. I later heard from nieve. A co worker from donegal that my bid. 'less face ginger. Kohl's generous againist waistline. Just one hipster enough hipster enough. I cried for fucks sake. I'm literally starving poets Top the to residents rombo. I can still feel the relief as i finally stood outside the sadly yet gracefully decaying residence rombo mansion blog on sweltering august day after picking my way through the dog. Touch that peppered. The pavement graffiti covered the length of the building. As high as hands could reach being august. Paris was half empty but the air was still thick with weed at the base of the building. While large incongruous foundation stones the sad remains our former medieval abbey. Five hundred years of dog pissed stained their hard surface like an abstract painting. I heard from another tenant that brick top secret tunnels in the basement once led deep into the bonefield paris catacombs behind me. A metro train rolled out of the iron lattice of the raised. Baba's russia schwa- metro station. I squinted at the hideous carvings. The honey coloured stone gago faces and macabre twisting vines wilting flowers. They surrounded every door and window of residence rambault. I think i sweated three bottles of evian just logging. My huge suitcase. The first four flights of stairs remember pausing and leaning into the stairwell trying to figure out the origin of some arab music that echoed around me as it very often would on the streets of what is now a very tunisian and algerian neighborhood within walking distance with a picturesque hilly cobbles of montmartre made famous to some their movies. Emily and moulin rouge and known to others as the haunt of monet renoir. Van gogh and picasso. Mamata was while i really wanted to live but the rents were higher than the of sacra the neighborhoods crowning glory shit. I jumped a frail thin lady. Had the color of snow was watching me and motionless. from the top of the staz. I laughed at the absurdity of it grabbed my suitcase and out of nowhere. She was suddenly next to me. Oh excuse me. I said i hope i'm not in your way. She looked into my eyes crossed herself like a good irish catholic then muttered something inscrutable as she melted down the stairs. That was weird. I thought but i got used to it. That was my first experience of my decidedly. Eccentric neighbor madame blanc and felder. Thank you for listening if you enjoyed this episode them. Please subscribe

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Setting Boundaries {part 1}

The Mindful Minute

30:40 min | 3 months ago

Setting Boundaries {part 1}

"Welcome you are listening to the mindful minute. Meditations created for every day. Join merrill net. Mama meditate her and head of mindfulness for shoreline meditation. This podcast is recorded for my life. Monday night meditation class where we have a brief discussion followed by a twenty minute guided meditation. If these meditations support you and your practice please consider donating to the show to support. Its continued growth new offerings and its ever-expanding team. You can find the link in today's show notes or simply visit merrill are net dot com and click on podcast. All right. y'all let's practice and welcome happy monday. Happy july fifth. Thank you guys for kicking off the month with me. Tonight we are embarking on an exploration of boundaries this month and like all of our topics it is rising because it just has continually shown up recently. The first time. I noticed it was in some of our discussion within this live. Class in the passions and paychecks series that tiffany johnson lead for us and we were talking about boundaries in our work lives and our personal lives and i noticed boundary coming up in a lot of my personal conversations with friends and family and even today i noticed a friend of mine who is a therapist was doing a brilliant posts that i will reshare tomorrow but a brilliant post on setting boundaries and words that you can use and i thought yeah. We need to talk about how meditation can be a tool for supporting us in awareness of our boundaries in setting of our boundaries and as we dive in set the stage as always that. I'm not a boundary expert. I am far from it. I work really hard on boundaries. And usually. That's because i realized i didn't have one and i'm like in a in trouble because of it right. I'm going to struggle because of it. So i spend a lot of time thinking about boundaries and trying to pay attention to what countries do exist where they lackey and stat dance of finding your own edges and sometimes going too far and having to come back and find center again that dances the learning process of how we find our own boundaries so together. We'll explore that over these next three sessions. And i thought that we would start so like standard definition of a boundary. Write a line that divides two things a line that divides subjects or limits of an activity or physical spaces. Right livia shapiro who's a somatic therapists. And a yoga teacher. That i love. She describes a boundary as a space that distinguishes you from others abound. Dri is a space that distinguishes you from others. And that's where. I wanna start tonight on the grossest level of boundary your physical body and. I don't know that we often stop to think of the actual edges of our body as a boundary but indeed it is right. Our our bodies as we know are made up of star stuff right. This is what carl sagan told us. This is what scientists tell us and the universe is made up of star stuff and the thing that that distinguishes our conglomeration of elements and the universes can conglomeration of elements is the physical boundary. Our body it's what holds me as me right. It's what contains not just this particular blend of elements but also this particular blend of experiences. The physical edges of our body and a meditation practice. Practice of getting present in the body is a brilliant tool to establish this first boundary to find our edges and it sounds so simple. Even as i'm speaking and i'm like this of course we know the edges of our body right. How simple issa except that. We don't most of us live chest a little bit removed from our bodies at all times. Right james joyce wrote it. Decades ago mr duffy lived a short distance from his body. And we still do today because we learned at some point that being in the body is uncomfortable. Being in the body means that we feel fear and anxiety and heartbreak and struggle and joy and all the emotions and sometimes it's easier or perceived to be easier. Perhaps to not feel those six and so we learn at some age some stage how to just step outside enough that we're living from the neck up or we're living just touch to the right or a touch to the left and i don't have to sit inside all that discomfort but then when we do that do we lose that awareness of where our boundary as so the first act in a meditation practice. This is why every meditation there's some form of feel your feet on the earth or your seat on the earth failure spy. Relax your shoulders. relax your jaw. Certainly that's relaxing the body of it but more importantly each of those invitations is an opportunity for you to be like. Oh yeah. I've been clenching my jaw all day and i did notice or yeah then walking around my shoulders up in my ears and i didn't notice or my back like curled over my heart protecting my heart here and i didn't notice so each of those cues in the beginning of meditation is a practice of becoming embodied once again landing within the physical boundary of our body. And then we're going to go just one step deeper tonight before we practice. Because i know you've noticed especially now that we're like maybe starting to be a bit social again after cova ed he knows. Sometimes you are with somebody or a group of somebody's. I'm you feel seen heard or energized or up. Lifted or you just full sense of like joy because you are with this person or persons or conversely afterwards you feel drained frustrated or tired or even angry. And it's because we only have a physical body but we also have an energetic body and that energetic body often is expanded chest outside or even spills a little further outside of our physical body so we have the physical boundary right our skin the edges of our body and then somewhere within the sphere around us is an energetic body and this is all of our emotion all of our energy like the way that we move through space. How do we take up space. When i was teaching yoga i would often say like. Can you take as much of your matt as possible. And we don't just do that with our feet or hips right. We do that by by being fully present and embodying ourselves as big lee. If that's a word as possible and so when we think about boundaries we think about that physical boundary of the body and then we think about the energetic body. Like do i take the fullness of my energetic sphere. Do i shrink away from the edges. Do i spill far outside the edges and as we start to pay attention to where that energetic line has. That's when we see. It impacting our relationships. Because when my energetic sphere your energetic sphere will now there's an experience happening between the two of us one that's uplifting when that streaming when that's something and this is how we start to become informed around boundaries for our own energy for others so this i practice that were going to do together is a practice not only being embodied in the physical body but being embodied in the energetic body like can i feel exactly how much space i take up. Let's find out okay so find a comfortable seat and if your legs have already been crossed can uncrossable crossing the other way where you can play at your feet flat on the ground to let your hands rest onto your live in your eyes. Close land here in this particular moment in this particular space. Let's just take a breath together. Deepen helen accel out a sigh. And we'll do that once again. Inhaling deeply actually not a sigh meal breath to flow. Invite yourself to sit a little bit more fully on the kushtia and her blanket beneath you. You say silently to yourself now. My time to meditate as my time to meditate in me let those words an invitation. A little nudge to land back inside your own body so from the various center of your body out just notice if you can fill yourself sit down a little bit more fully taking the seat today because you've chosen so set. Let go of your hips. And your i fill the long line of your spine. Maybe it'll roll your shoulders back and down to feel the top of your head reaching up and back just to touch breathe. We like oh across the forehead feeling before had smooth out in broad the skin around the eyes often feel along the line of your jaw inside of your cheeks tongue sensing that bit of space inside now a feeling breath move out crush collarbone inviting a sense of space all the way through the shots a sense of space all the way down through the bali we find ourselves inside our own bodies. We sit here together. Follow the breath next time your breathing in and i want you to feel as if you're breathing up the right side of your body all the way up the right side of the very top of the head and when you ask aalyah going to imagine this breath spilling all the way down the left side of the body gonna do this for about a minute in haley all the way up the right side of the body acts handling all the way down the left side of the body. I mean all of your awareness trace this path with the breath breathing. He's easy smooth bra. There's no rush. Now strain ryan the breath up the right side. Washington breath all the way down the left side gradually their necks pra just reverse the flow. So feel that changes you. Now breathe up the left side of the body. Exhale down the right side. Chilling the edges of the body from left terai almost as if the breath itself were tracing the outline of your body to in breath. Move all the way up the last and all the way down the right as you breathe in this next time you'll let the breath move up the front side of the body you'll xl all the way down the back side of the body inhaling all the way up tracing the front edge of the body accel breathing all the way down the back edge. The body noticing. What you feel you follow this path noticing if you don't feel when you follow this path One last time that we were in haley now the back side of the body accelerating down the front moving no ahead of the body untouched by the breath. Fill your breath awareness sliding all the way up the back of the body. Wash in all the way down the front of the body Julie relied go shaping. The browns we feel the edges of our body all the way around weakened feel the physical boundary of the body. We as as we said we breed naturally and notice that as you inhale your body expands in all directions when you ask how your body contracts back towards its own centre. There's nothing for you to force control. Your body does this on its own breathe and your body expands in all directions out your body contracts to its own center a last few minutes. Fill yourself brief. Notice how far past the edges of your body. Feel your breath. How much do you expand. How much do you contract room Really near breath hair. Feeling the physical and energetic edges of the body all of the ancient texts. Tell us inside. The body is a mini universe. First physical boundary contains our own individual many universes distinguishing them from the universe that surrounds us failure breath deepen into that physical boundaries. You wiggle your fingers and your toes as you feel the practice dropping away breath a bit more inhaling fully actually not a little sigh you shift around and stretch. She can let go of that practice. Plinking your is thank you Thanks for listening to the mindful minute. If you're enjoying these episodes please consider leaving the of review wherever you get your podcast. It really helps others to find the show to learn more about my live. Classes virtual meditation retreats my meditation app shoreline or to make a donation to the show please visit meryl are net dot com. Thanks again. i'll see you next week.

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About time, pt 2: Time in fiction

The Philosopher's Zone

28:26 min | Last month

About time, pt 2: Time in fiction

"This is an abc podcast. Hello from david rutledge. Welcome to the philosophy zone once again and welcome to part two of about time which is a four part series about time. That's running through september this week. We're taking a literary turn. And i'll guide through the library is sam. Baron offers had almost supernatural capacity to control time. They can speed time. Slow it down. Reorder it or destroy it completely. Or how do they manage to do this. And more importantly what are they trying to tell us about the nature of time itself in this episode. We'll take a look at the fascinating connection. Between time and literature at title starts in the early twentieth century with the rise of modernism modernists. Like james joyce and virginia woolf seemed tormented by time joyce's massive tome ulysses described the events of a day in such excruciating detail. That it's like he can't bear for even a single moment to slip through his fingers. He had help. Guide us through the world of modernist literature and beyond is associate professor. Ten adele zeal cherif english and literary studies at the university of western australia. Ten years latest book. Half the perfect world won the prime minister's literary award for nonfiction in two thousand nineteen tenure. Thanks for joining me. I said thanks for having me. So i mean there's a lot going on in this period with respect to time both in philosophy and science so in science you've got of course people like einstein thinking about time in completely new way in philosophy. Have john mctaggart who's arguing that time doesn't exist or time as a kind of illusion. I suppose i'm interested in the ways in which some of the themes that philosophers are exploring. Scientists are exploring might be interacting with what's happening in modernist literature. So you've got the modernists who are really focusing on. This felt time but then philosophers and physicists looking at timing this kind of almost objective person independent kind of way. What do you think there's any kind of interaction there between what's happening in philosophy and science and what's happening in in modern literature. Yeah to us that christian. It's useful to remember that many monness shit interest. We work of the french philosopher on reduction so becks is writing on time of the mind were translated and published in british general student. Fisticuffs of the twenty. Th century and he's id's of pure duration resonated with many monness was seeking to narrative is in the innovations of language. So they went simply applying begs ideas to literary forms. But there was a shed project. Across the channel so books him was offering a critique of kant critique of pure reason in which kent posited time and space as both i earn foams of sensibilities at once kind of empirically real and transcendently ideal and the idea that human action kind of was defined by natural causality but picks and stepped into that discussion and proposed differentiate time and space and he thought of consciousness as temporal and the number two stream-of-consciousness that we get in more mistakes like leasees. Like mrs dalloway suggests is interest in the temporarity of consciousness and both ulysses and mrs dalloway through the protagonists ugly oppo bloom and closer delaware respectively suggests that the past and the presence consta- so there's a complication of the idea of linear time for example that the calendar suggest. All the time might suggest as well you have to the the focus on can't really interesting here as well so for kant with thinking of time as being almost an aspect of human cognition which is applied to empirical information to structure it and give it form and so it's something that really comes from us rather than comes from the world. Do you think that there's a sort of element in the stream-of-consciousness of sort of thinking of time as something that we inject into reality rather than something. That's there to be discovered. i think it's it's a recognition of both possibilities to be honest in in the sense that new they is that sense of the social time but there is also the sense of is private time that the is really interested in exploring or thematically and stylistically. So i think it's not fencing. But i think they're just these interesting time in its multiplicity. So they're not die that dick or necessarily cushing particular pieces around time they're thinking about the multiplicity of times in the possibilities of them through the literary forms and i think this is where you get almost attention with the approach that philosophers and scientists might take where the goal is really to kind of pin time down nail it down get an account of what it is and yet there's a sort of sense that maybe there's something a little bit too aggressive about that project a little bit too as you put it didactic that maybe maybe a sort of more open perspective is something that we should explore and that. That's something that you get out of this kind of modernist explorations of time. Certainly the invitation to stink motor plate about time and to grapple that christian of hetty represent time. The sense that you're saying what is the time seems relatively easy you can look at the clock. Time is but to kind of pose that question. what is time is open yourself up to. All kinds of philosophical headaches and literature is one of the ways in which we can think with and through time rather than necessarily packaging it up in an easy manner. You know. i really interesting idea that you can use fiction as a way of thinking in and through time one of the things you mentioned was that there's kind of a challenge to linear time happening in some of this work. So how are the ways in which linear time gets challenged in for instance. Something like ulysses or or in in the work of virginia woolf. Yes stylistically oftentimes these challenges. Apart is faraz monez ticks infamously difficult because of the ways in which they think about time formerly so the by which they narratives are presented so sometimes when we think about narratives they worked cause and effect so something happens and then something else happens. You get an important one. It's takes don't work like that. So they oftentimes jump around passed into into the prison disrupts the present the sometimes dot at one point and then jumped somewhere else and then go somewhere else from this so they not takes that adhered to alenia moral of time and also not interested necessarily in thinking about releasing the way that that was understood in the nineteenth century. I looked around. And so modernity ushering in certain challenges in new innovations and were looking in their literature literature for ways of representing what they saw as knew about them so discussions around time through books. What for example. You was a challenge the thinking about how do you represent these or felt time in inwards in a very interesting thing to be thinking about which one is takes very often during and so you say that. They're not sort of interested in realism. Can you say a little bit more about what you mean by that. I mean we listen. In the sense of the nineteenth centuries three against a a horrible reductive caricature but thinking about really soon as interested in in the mature will of the presumption that language is a reliable medium by which to convey meaning those kinds of things. Scores oneness takes have kind of suspicion about language. They're they're aware of the wising. Mitch new during the i would wall. Words were harnessed for propaganda purposes for example. So they're very much interested in thinking about how maybe world comes into being through the words that we have available to talk about the world rather than words to simply reflecting the world and that i think will succumbs out with the interest in taunts said languages into something simply that we have at hand to discuss time but languages. So fees away of shaping time or shaking thinking about time at least which i think recalls us to the rising which we very often rely on metaphor for thinking about. So you'd think about time as revile or stream or these other consummate officials that we lean on to think about time can to some degree helps keep shape to thinking about tom and how we feel it what we how we respond to time. What i'd like to do now is take us back in time. A little bit into the nineteenth century and think a little bit about literature and time then so in the nineteenth century we've got newton and his picture of time newton's picture of time as one. That's quite different to the picture of time that we have in the twentieth century so for newton time really is this kind of almost mechanistic thing. This clock that ticks away and beats the counts of the universe in regularity. And what i'm interested in is how newton's picture of time whereas understanding of time might have influenced literature narrative around the nineteenth century. So is there a sense in which newton's thinking about. Tom gets picked up in literature or has an effect on the during that period. Yeah well in some ways and think about the influence of ideas about time a nineteenth century which is to also sidestepped the flurry of interesting time and time keeping. It was also based in practical development. So he the ontological distinction that may between absolute mathematically time and relative calm continue to fuel philosophical debate willing to nineteenth century ago. What time does feel. And he's mechanistic. Universe that soared time as universal and unchanging the medium through which everything mood probably found expression in time narratives such as hdl's the tarnishing. She was speaking about before but as much that was going on in the nineteenth century intensive technologic developments that not. His censure was also registered. So we think about england in the mid sixteenth hundreds. I'm tom devices. Such as puck approaches and domestic cox were largely interesting ornaments and gadgets for the social elite than anything else. And at that time jimmy sixteen hundreds church bells and diagnose signal circles largely regulated communities miss. It wasn't such a thing as national time if we skip forward to the eighteen thirties. I'm tom telling was becoming increasingly secularized and synchronous national time was being developed to support trade and travel and we also saw pieces increasingly owned by the middle and mola classes and as a consequence they chimes rang throughout nineteenth century. And it's literature. So some charles dickens and his serialized writings probably a case in point boys to medically and stylistically for the serums that deacons roach eighteen. Forty nine forty one. Todd muster humphries caulk and in that serial. We have a protagonist who stolz manuscripts in a grandfather. Clock and cox chime throughout dickinson's writing. But it's also interesting to think about. How the very serious not of dickens writings also pointing to how it new synchronised times making demands on wichita so dickens had to write installments quickly deadlines and the cooks around him reshaping. How and what he wrote. So this is kind of interesting. Since that these new time it was being rushing the nineteenth century was also determining how which was being written by the same time as that literature with representing the medically. These cops a might also be with mentioning that you between the seventeenth and nineteenth century is lawrence stones. Mid sent tree eighteenth century takes life and opinions of tristen shandy and that takes his mutt By the kind of temporal digressions that modernism with vita claim as its own has is notorious. Opening in which otis shanties asked by his wife and says happening while having sex. If he's welds long case kach which is the grandfather clock. so it's quite an heartening. And joyce together at least three times psychological time reproductive biorhythms and also these new forms of objective timekeeping. So time is definitely present in which a chump largely all the time a lot though interested in there one of the things. I'm really interested in. Is this notion of serialisation. So is it the case. That serialisation is kind of new and in some sense invented by dickens when he's developing these novels or is it an aspect of literature that was around before but dickinson. Mealy took hold off used yes. The cereal was settling before is kind of mentioning around the time. That dickens was writing so he was writing for newspapers. In following that he's novels would appear as novel so he was often renting as in terms of civilizations. But the new writing to deadlines at this nikola weekly installment immersed in the past. That wasn't an issue. It brunner. such things weekly installments. Because newspapers didn't come up weekly. Sorry that could change in. How time was being instituted. Industrially through the publishing industry had an impact on the demands on officers at the time. You think this makes a difference in dickens writing. Do you see a kind of sense of urgency in virtue of the civilization of the novel. He's writing or is that something that doesn't really show up in what he writes. I think very much does in the sense. That is the invitation to write in such a way. That you end with a cliffhanger just like the series of today do on ebay so that you will encourage to go and by the next paper so that you know what happens next. So there is certainly an impact on the rhythm of dickens writing in that regard during the philosophy zone this week where all about time in fact this is part. Two of a four part series. That's all about time. Sam baroness talking with the university of western australia's tenure del zeal about time in fiction. And the way that novelists have reflected and engaged with the philosophy of time of particular years. Want to time travel again. This time gonna jump much further into the future times that we've been looking at so far we've talked a little bit about the twentieth. Early twentieth. century talked a little bit about nineteenth. Century wanna come forward now to the kind of postmodern era the period that arguably we might be in now with respect to fiction. What happens to time once we get to sort of the modern day once. We're looking at time from a postmodern perspective in literature. I guess my my stance think about this is thinking about some theorising around wichita. Pets go by the end of muslims. We might think who've series such as joe bordered or paul really i guess they interests With the ways in which it could be said that virtually has gained dominance over materiality and how they registered in contemporary literature. And perhaps that isn't interested in the contemporary moment of the compression of ton so knew anything about novels like dont'a lilos what noise which was published in nineteen eighty five. Here's this really famous sane on our famous saying in the novel where he talks about the most photographed bond in american disappears under the right of repetition and the image and this is utter senior crump which is Pending popularized by works of john boatyard let novel by delilah. I'm point omega for two thousand and ten. He has a character who reflects on time by watching alfred. H hawks psychiatry slowed down to a twenty four hour. Running time told in that instance that we need time to lose interesting things. And i think what those examples direct us towards at least thinking about. Is that personal identity. Perhaps promises in some ways to do away with time so with the instant ninety that's ushered in by various technologies. We have perhaps a compression of time and space in terms of all the plastic arts and e. arts might be bitter position to realize represent this compression formerly because in many ways the written takes to formally tied to tarm insofar as one word for another so there is that sense of time attached to narrow teens but definitely pushed lunatics takes personal theorising poses the question as to with them time has been compressed to the point that instant he has by ridden the idea of times we gaps known in on this end in nineteenth century. Here is you put this in terms of doing away with time. I'm wondering also if there's a sense in which there's a kind of mastery of time that's coming out so you know you've got this person who's watching psycho slowed down to twenty four hour period. And they've got the power in some sense to do that and to manipulate time in a way that maybe we didn't think of ourselves as having that capacity prior to the late twentieth centuries. There's something about not just doing away with time but like bringing it under control pulling it out of nature and putting it in our hands absolutely. I think it's both in the sense again. That capacity of that you charge to consider these things in tiny as it were so i definitely thing that stain about what chain psycho in slow motion does have a kind of fantasy of having a mastery autonomy so often time is saying something that we're racing against that it was kind of an enemy in some regard and that same sets up the idea that we might have this kind of mastery over time but at the same time you know there. Is this kind of debate over whether those very technologies that allow us to ostensibly slow down time and have mastery over whether those technologies are all sorry doing away with time. I always feel with postmodern literature. That i'm being set up in some sense. So they are offer this potential mastery of time but at the same time when it comes down to it it feels like the themes such that time might take control of me or the thing that i'm supposed to be able to control. It's going to take troll of me. Is there a sense. In which the way that this mastery of time might be coming out in texas kind of duplicitous so sort of while offering us a kind of maastricht. Perhaps they're also suggesting that this is something that we are a slave to in some sense. That time is not something that we can control. In some kind of fantasy insofar as postmodernism has a concern with this assemblage of kind of grand narratives so it calls into question nationalism. All the kinds of certain he's that would otherwise orientate us as contemporary subjects. So i think in some ways they scenarios that we seem post-mortems takes less about trying to beat you publicists or to give us a false sense of what we might think of as relationship with time. It's kind of fantasy so that the anti that we might have control over time is kind of fantasy that it then disassembled and unknowingly. Sorry as well these kinds of moments suggesting simply but they they kind of moments of fancy of thinking about what what if we did have mastery over time When in fact we know that we might not competing okay so far. We've been looking at time in the nineteenth century in the twentieth century and in the modern period. And we'd been jumping around a little. Bit what i wanna do is zoom out completely and almost look at literature narrative from kind of timeless perspective. And think about the way in which in a very general sense regardless of the era in which someone might be writing time might be important to narrative picks up on something that you mentioned earlier namely that in a certain sense when you're writing a story or when you're producing a novel one word has to follow another and there's a kind of inbuilt temporarily to every narrative so is it the case. That time is kind of inescapable and essential to fiction and is that something that people are grappling with when they're dealing with time in narrative. Yeah i mean again. These horrible sweeping generalizations. But it's arguable that own. Our teams are about time so in an obvious sense in story see events or thoughts unfold in time and again that metaphor points to how we think of time figuratively Given that these otherwise inscrutable the idea for unfolding on. But what say may by these on very mechanistic little written narratives militia laced work because one word for is another so there is that temporal dimension to narrative poorly postman theorist argues that wrought he's always in deferred time always delayed. Sorry there. is this sense of time being essential to narrative evening visnar standard agreement on what that relationship might be. And if i mean. I'm wondering if because time is so deeply woven into narrative whether that makes narrative kind of uniquely positioned to disrupt time. Do you think that there's a special place for fiction in challenging. How we think about time. Well i guess too much not theory from basically aristotle was narrative has the capacity. Not the duty. To interrupt and rearrange roy events that otherwise type unplaced cosily and chronologically so nursing itself gives shape to varying orders of time and also explore and represent varying temporal schema. So a story can occur in the arrest us or it could be continuous Can abide by what we think of as linnea time and within the world of a text. The pace of time can be split up. Oh is compassionate. sentence We can say characters transported to the times and of course narratives themselves moved through time insofar as we can read check speech day to take an example so in that sense there is almost no obligation might be literature to be disrupted forces thinking about tommy pot because of the way in which one would full and other so. That's up very much that you're king with tom. No so just the job because of its imaginative flexibility simply can disrupt out thinking about tom and maybe put forward of possibilities that other disciplines don't have the freedom to do a really like the idea that fiction has a kind of duty to disrupt time but i'm wondering about what the upshot of this judy might be is their purpose that you think might be served by disrupting time in narrative. I think i think it's certainly not just doing it for the secondary. It's to kind of make us think about how maybe time works thinking about the concept purchase at time places on us and on narrative. It's also too. i think. Allow the kinds of stories about time to be told so perhaps time is harnessed by particular social organizations with our a capitalism. Or whatever name you want to give to it to auto bodies in stores in particular ways and the fact that literature can disrupt those times scheme is also perhaps lends itself to disrupting the stories that that organization of time support. So if time is imagined in different kinds of ways in the ways in which say. I'm afford stretchy lawn imagines time then you allow other stories. Otherwise of being in the world also to emerge so it becomes a kind of sight of activism or resistance to potential mall wrongs that might be being enacted by organizations large scale institutions places. Sort of safe place to resist. Is that the idea. Yes i think that's the case and again if is a very strong strain in which of thinking about the past and the way in which the past in some narratives perhaps is something that is safely quartered off away from the president or as literature can insist on the president of the past if that makes sense and that can really important its thinking about the way in which maybe clue new projects in the ongoing fix on stored or wising which we think about memory or how we think about nations diets or how you think about ourselves as on subjects so in that sense there is possibly that come of activism that is very much linked with disruption of time that we oftentimes see in narrative and does it work in the other direction as well. So we're thinking about the future. Does narrative also sometimes insist on the future being present for similar kind of purpose. I think that's the case in the sense that again deters is so enormous and multiple. It's hard to draw these generalizations out but certainly if you think about science fiction for example it's got a really great interest in the future. There is that sense that while they feature directed they're also very much speaking oftentimes to prison conditions as well so yes at deer of past present and features of collapsed in these narratives in that can be first purposes. Bitter will say can be thinking about how it treating the world how we treat other people. Those concert students tania del zeal. She's associate professor of english and literary studies at the university of western australia. She was talking there with produce. A sam baron. And you've been listening to pop to in a four part series on time next week we're going to be looking at all. The ways in which our perception of time can be chronically. Skewed to the point where you have to wonder how any of us ever manages to be on time for anything so set your alarm for the philosophy son next week on. David rutledge hype. You can join me then why.

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Crying in H Mart

One Great Book

09:15 min | 4 months ago

Crying in H Mart

"One great book volume five book to crying and h mart. Hey readers. I'm an bogle and you're listening to one great book. The short form podcast from the team behind. What should i read next. Where each week. I put one standout selection from my personal bookshelves until you it in ten minutes or less welcomed volume five our summer edition in this volume sharing new releases from our summer reading guide. So i can dig deeper into some of my favorite titles of the season. Plus share backless elections that pair beautifully with each recent release. I hope these episodes help you find great books for your own to be read list or to share with a bookish friend and if you haven't gotten your summer reading guide yet go to modern mrs darcy dot com slash s r g to download that now for myself. I always write about dublin. Because if i can get to the heart of dublin i can get to the heart of all. The cities of the world in particular is contained the universal irish writer. James joyce said this to arthur power in nineteen twenty two and since that time has become a truism of storytelling. How about these more. Recent words from jacqueline woodson about why her book brown girl dreaming resonate so with readers. The more specific we are. She says the more universal something can become. Life is in the details. If you generalize. It doesn't resonate. The specificity of it is what resonates in the particular is contained. The universal the specificity is what resonates in twenty eighteen indie rock star. Honor bend a piece for the new yorker called crying h mart in which she writes with great specificity about losing both her aunt and her mother to cancer in the span of just a few years of the things that trigger her tears years later and of seeking to maintain a connection to the korean heritage. She feared she could lose. In the wake of her mother's death. The new yorker article went viral and although she shared a specific personal experience. It was the emotional journey presented so vulnerably that resonated broadly with readers. The article landed on her a book deal and the book received critical acclaim and high praise from readers since april release just last week and gm label orion pictures announced that it will make the book into a feature film was honor providing the soundtrack in crying in h mart. Many readers myself felt zone. Poignantly captured pieces of their own experience in her lyrical and life-affirming memoir about grief growing up and making amends and it is one great book readers. Enjoyed this podcast. You're going to love my essay collection on the reading life. I'd rather be reading. It's for all of us. For whom reading isn't just a hobby. But a lifestyle book shape us define us and chance us and sometimes even infuriate us. Our books are a part of who we are as and we can't imagine life without them. You'll enjoy hearing about the books that hugged me on reading in the first place. My cheeky step-by-step method for organizing your bookshelves the joys every reading old favorites and the special relationship. I have with my own library and the books at holds. This collection of essays would make a wonderful editions here bedside table or your own library. Bookshelves an excellent gift for the readers in your life. Get your copy of. I'd rather be reading wherever books are sold or or your signed copy from my local indie carmichael bookstore. Ever since my mom died. I cry in h mart so begins on her story of losing her mother to stomach cancer when her mom was just fifty six years old. My town doesn't have in h. mart. Before reading the book. I didn't know h mart is a supermarket. Chain that specializes in asian food. Zollner describes it as holy and beautiful place. And also the only place where you can find a giant vat appeal garlic because it's the only place that truly understands how much garlic you'll need for the kind of food your people eat and before reading this book which i picked up pre publication autumn and the recommendation of a friend. I was unfamiliar was honor and her work. I didn't know anything about her music career that she performs and records under the name japanese breakfast. In fact there are many passages in the book where she refers to her band their gigs their struggles their hopes to work as professional musicians. One day and i was in suspense wondering are they gonna make. I finally googled and felt a little silly. When i learned the answer and soon enough i was listening to more of honor stories about her mother albeit in a different medium from her 2016 sixteen album cycle pump h central the many as honors memories and she finds the simplest things trigger her grief like the ingredients for a recipe. She wishes she could ask her mom about or even the snack aisle at h. mart. There's not one of us who has lost someone dear to them who won't relate designer when she writes my grief comes in waves and is usually triggered by something arbitrary action. Tell you with a straight face what it was like watching my mom's hair fall out in the bathtub or about the five weeks i spent sleeping in hospitals but catch me at h. mart when some kid runs up double fisting plastic sleeves upon tiggy. And i'll just lose it. Zahn herself was just he five. When her mother was diagnosed with late stage stomach cancer she moved back home to eugene oregon to care for her mother. She declined a descent. That was dizzying. -ly abrupt zollner says the onslaught of her symptoms was like something out of a disaster movie as soon as we got a handle on one. Something deadlier would emerge as someone who has walked similar road. I appreciate its honor. Stinging vivid yet compassionate picture of what can be the harsh in dehumanizing realities of late stage cancer and yet within those horrific times she also manages to capture the moments where those same circumstances created an emotional space for the to connect in a way they previously haven't and as her mother declines she's grappling with not only losing her mother but also losing the most important connection. She has to her korean heritage born in seoul to a caucasian father and korean mother. Donna and her parents moved to eugene when she was just a baby all her mother's family remained korea zona rights openly and honestly about her often fraught relationship with her mother though she never doubted her love after exhibiting challenging behavior and a bad attitude in her youth zahn or sees. Her mother's illness is her chance to make amends to be everything her mother needs and in her words to finally be the perfect daughter. of course. it's never simple as that. And i appreciated. Her vulnerability sharing how their connection ebbed and flowed during her mother's final days. This new memoir is perfect for fans of the light of the world by elizabeth alexander. Another memoir by a gifted wordsmith as alexander herself as poets. That sounds like it ought to be pure sorrow to read and yet is full of joy and like h mart deeply life-affirming that is not to say these books won't make you cry. Well sometimes grief is triggered by the unexpected. It was hardly a surprise that having lost a parent cancer myself in the past year h. mart hemi reaching for the kleenex. I can't say enough good things about crying. H mart on audio. I easily slipped into the cadence of the story. Achingly poignant and the author's own voice. I was grateful to hear every nuance of emotion as well as her fluid voicing of the korean phrases i might trip over imprint. It was beautiful. It's no surprise as honors voice owned from years of songwriting. Well in her memoir. She knows the power of the specific to capture the universal and in crying in h mart. We see her return again and again to the themes of food and grief. If you're looking for a vivid and tender memoir about love loss and the ties that bind crying h mart might just be the next great book. You're looking for readers. Visit modern medicine dot com slash one. Great book to learn more about crying in h mars and all of the great books from this podcast. Be sure your subscribe in your favorite podcast player. Because we've got more great books coming your way. In this volume. I'd love to hear what you think about. Today's book tag me on instagram. At and vocal. That's an with an e. b. as in books o. g. e. l. And you can also find me there at. What should i read next. That's the title of our long form. Podcast where each week or reader tells me three books. They love one book. They don't and what they're reading now. And then i recommend three titles. They should be axed. 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PODCAST EXTRA - Cork Heritage Open Day

Cork's 96fm Opinion Line

17:57 min | 2 months ago

PODCAST EXTRA - Cork Heritage Open Day

"The opinion line on cork's ninety-six fm by historian supreme liam o'hagan talk a bit about our heritage. And he's done another one of these quizzes for me. You embarrassed me last year. Liam don't do it again. good morning. you're good. You're too good ten me about the importance of heritage week. Well how is the induction especially through 'em other people mostly local historians in custody and we have can laughers historians. We don't have to go. Also just the city and all your delegation and nor michael oh jimmy lint and did any information on your those people. He does loud school just his started to society. And there's one historical society that to china industry yet and dip dot there for them strongly women the next door they tell us i know hurting another mission in that whole peekers that we never knew streets myself but i never knew anything. Hope because we wanted taught about it at school and then noise knee. Even all the toss they're going to this particular video. But this particular team the saints. Really all about thomas three and he and his family you know i can still recall the middle polish hundred shells from bill. Sweeney was born and no one ever taught in school disaster like locked up on uneven. They're just went to soft voter and is apartment and car heritage open day. Particular is so important to us one day when week but one day in particular to our local history like you said. Leave the history. We don't necessarily get to learn exactly exactly understand febru- on it's there for you. If you wanted on the information you have to do is winsor library book on the subject to want all their feelings but i still tend to be taught in schools the children but when they said sure fourteen or fifteen even tell me about heritage day too big event. Well yeah. I mean all them important buildings often today tomato actually and I don't know you're walking on. They'll say there's no problem and just fucked me. Forty five buildings no. You can't find something interesting. There's something wrong with you but They put things in other instance stampede. Trump's into not mistreat again bill on stage. We said sorry. Which has pigeons there dodge. But no one us the historic story dot charge his co. charge because no taught no. I look when i look back at no there trying to just watch. Tv just with the people not us. Even i'll see pm's didn't even go. Yeah you're not just one age. There's an awful lot of that history. Isn't there liam gone because it hasn't been passed and you're right. Tell the children in the places that running to play and kick a ball. Tell them what happened before exactly. Exactly you know it's impossible. I can appreciate it and they want to. They want to damage. We used to know he wasn't doing another damage as chasing pigeons into that. But i'm still. We didn't realize the impostor sadat building doesn't just one building and talk to everyone little pickle say symphony signed running. While you don't guess i'll sit. Yes sympton bells digits. And then i was into in belgium with dime forevermore late. We're going to hell. And i was so everything to be doing underway us. Yeah yeah no the celebration of our the. You mentioned actually freddy douglas last week and how we're really exploring his car history. You message me. And i forgot to read it out. You know more about frederick than places. He stayed in place to the visit when he was here. You see. I smoke twenty pasta last male story. You know getting part of information on these books minute audible amongst among the storms and he mentions pledge with dope. This and this deal you. Ss no to as the but he was really offends him told him job seem at the medicine. We call eighty father match you when to america. This is more invest found him. You know there's taught. The temporal school was on the island so say not so just open show even to american mentoring and then everywhere when he went to america fredericton tossed into doing that. Plays those we call it. Abolitionist movement intact. Not your shoes. Because he became the time to smoke. Went and your mind surgical this and then one fellow. He couldn't understand much. Didn't get involved in every squaring of this city we love liam has a story attached to it. Hasn't been history peaches every every street. You awesome on doesn't know all you have to look on the door or last night. I i knew that the history of the place it's fascinating fascinating. Even the courtship henry streets not miss the. Give me something patrick. St people might know. I wouldn't go council staples river and the river running on these and if you wanted to pass to st. I look across. Schools pouches bridge. You can see. Bill hotel clerval. Camille on into the into the north china policy with spells over of radar so dan against houses gasping. The kings and queens counsel concerts and there was a chinese. It costs us. Here and custos davis. Actually it's dots leaving on us. That was back in there and Every tunnel you'll often pap crossing. Don't walk no also in our there. Rachel played but i on being accused limiting connected. Morphine in water. You know you compare. You're done this. You've done this again to me you've compiled if you questions one wanting to rectify uncorrected is the first question on actually. No i the twenty to me. This is wielding encompass james joyce bonds that should be really conflicts. James joyce feld. Abon right right because i james joyce had a car connection to angles street. So it was. His father was born. There was actually a plaque underfoot. They're also do chip. But i know. I still know and in english history. Okay if you walked on komo site. I stem shop knowing speaking order to call the clock. I don't i knew connection to the plans put. The father actually was born there right. The first question actually is building ginger ball. He loves vomit. Open past dr driving me more. I told a few. What would your membership propeller place an ultra zip warren street. Juan's place once the only ones players. What was the on there for. Thomas davis bridge. That's easy that was reading. Tonbridge know lots of people. Still charlie wellington ridge. On if you. I just hang up on you for gordon. I have not a clue. I'm waiting for this there. The moti lane the muddy. What was the country one time. Yeah actually it was coming onto polaroid and says all those rich tensions. There's a map on initial is called euro as more daily. I would not have had a clue bet you. Half the residents of conley road probably would not either noodle often economical for st stop with demolished. The building of natural ski shopping center crikey. Now i remember the old key there. 'cause as a very young dj. I used to play a couple of those jobs. So i tried this one. There was definitely merchants. Streets went anyway. And and and there was a thomas street. Correct pastime last ostrich north street. Where we're was running from them. Metro ski oil. But i'm too much in streets range of. Don't the official straight fisher straight. Okay has gone to what else donald till you It'd be picking who you probably notice. Hold carpools known as the singing firemen. Oh was it jim or john. O'shea john orsha. Yeah he easter record. Member i he was he was involved in the shandon started regroup and you hope you this. She'll had a copy of his. Who's a tape back. Then we had a company of his tape years ago plead sold audible but sissy don't johannes on all of growing up in iran abroa- you're probably not as always on the oldest house. Yeah yeah no. I wouldn't be sure. they're out. Four victories in november twenty four as weekend storing host. Don't know about that security to be and does anybody there these this. Yeah yeah and you see. Because i know tom officially i inquired about host. It was on back in the day is all down there with. I've been traveling and demand. Probably wanted to grow their time. And it was clouds from tumbler in dot host with. I've been there then right. You see them just if you need the votes. No speaking okay. I know what are our guest. That's an easy one wielding caucus toyota on players. Haven't notion of tall station. I know it's a restraints. Yeah well if you don't call stage from blouse walk take the first left untitled on this down. What was the the mercy hospital. That was easy because the lord mayor used to live there one time and it was known as the mentioned us dot is correct. I know that's the street. I was bombed. I already out. I will fall next door. Two dimensional ugly house shrubbery house. Globally are you'll be. I'd have to guess it's got something to do with fistulas. Pack the boss to all the news. You all really. Yeah yeah yeah no. Here's one dot. Ibm again ibm ms. If you'll get this because anyone ever asked the little. I know right which church cough and what which coach classroom door to send is dedicated to us mexican needs to stores. Sand aida are sent eater. All i all i know is i know for sure. It's on the north side. But besides that i wouldn't i wouldn't guess no. I only phone people from once monthly and it was. I was shocked. They never held this open. All the knicks really. Yeah i knew. I knew i knew there was one. I knew there was one. But i didn't know church within right together into school is score which was done by the machinations. Those guess was there that that yesterday did that. You could keep me going on. Give me one more i could. I could over. I want to get back to ronnie and the runny. Are you going to fund. These wrote this book once. And they'll say this is another kindle. I went to mit pinch. You if you're looking for the mission field interested centuries the classical the as you storms. You'll combine you. Google your garage that someone you were faithful. I'm not sure a plate of history. Yeah it's amazing. It's amazing much conflict. Discover for instance man. It was the poor leo. sally. I just think that's the way. What was the polio. Jails the polio epidemic in evidence. All the poor. I asked was astor. Tb so it was would be the middle to late. Fifties collect under fifty fifty five fifty six fifty four. I'm hot last while ellen's that you okay just have been and no. Here's a really tricky one year name between folks who are in saint joseph's cemetery career now i i'd i'd one semi to think about that. One hook folks buried in rome. That's what he talked to go on me. The hell of pork on on marinate no television. They are for. Don't mind you trying to go down. There are maybe it's don't talk to or the decline and that we in the older tiny was known as the pool. Because is the mind I in college. I mean not just changed because we're known as the examination room right cool. I was trying to make a connection. With pope's key and i couldn't report to put clumps the age of the with all your conditions right about all that does calling the paul family member offs or send them for for non stop long over something them but you'll take disorder. Plus the top stories from the city is but this. This pope's are john. So john talking to see he must be in pompton men w. over him and not once the mentioned until december three player. Who was he he was so giant pork. David john hennessy. Nice raise but his his team onto the pokes. Sarah's name collect back in time with no one had double barrel nam bread. Yes i remember. We would under british rule at the tender going back today. At eight hundred. He became sore. John pork tennessee and his He was very relevant in the parliament. He was governor of hong kong. He was governor of mauritius. It was none of 'em babbio this all these things and they're not sure fact the have statues monuments and roll this call from hong kong. Any very very embarrassed inventory. I leave it there. Would you buy because we could. We could spend day at this great crack thanks very much that's historian liam o'hagan and trust me. He has story after story after story after story. And you name a corner of cock and demands got a story about it ultimate heritage week with stash tomorrow and cork heritage day with all those buildings open fear to go and visit but if and he's right you know he's completely right. There's so much history in our city that we know nothing about because why because nobody told us ever when we were kids. Corks nine thousand six fm.

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Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network: Travel with Rick Steves (June 15, 2019)

Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

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Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network: Travel with Rick Steves (June 15, 2019)

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Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law. Paul Souters took his small boat to spend the summer sailing up the coast of Hudson Bay. He wanted to photograph polar bears in the wild in the Canadian Arctic. But there were a few surprises he hadn't banked on. It took a lot of looking. I mean finding white bear on an endless sea of white ice took a lot of patience and determination hour after hour. For more relaxing, venture the countryside of Japan's island of Hokkaido's ideal for bicycle tour, mainly were enjoying the beautiful scenery is we cycle over rolling hills, covered with fields of flowers or crops almost looks like patchwork quilt. And if you're ever in Dublin on June sixteenth, look for Sweeney's pharmacy. That's where they hold special readings of Ulysses for plumes day. It's a little gem, and it only holds about twenty people if they're all seated in there, but we sit people in there and we read James, Joyce elder, lout come along for all sorts of adventures in the our head. It's travel, Rick steves. Paul Souters really wanted to take some great photographs of polar bears in the wild away from the distractions of other photographers tourists and maybe away from help to in just a bit. He shares what he encountered in the waters of Hudson Bay all so he could capture a few candidate ages of the creature at the top of the food chain. Walk around Dublin Ireland will show you how it was second only to London with its elegant Georgian architecture and you'll see evidence of seven hundred years of British rule, June sixteenth is also a fun time to be in Dublin when fans of James Joyce's. Ulysses relive many of the monuments described in that book. We get tips for a bloom day, walking tour of Dublin a little later in the hour on today's travel with Rick steves the northernmost, major island in Japan is Hokkaido it lies off the eastern coast of Siberia. It has known tins hot springs wildlife in wildflowers, which prompts many people to call it the Alaska of Japan Hokkaido is also rookie Canady was born and raised in where she returns each year to take fellow bicyclists on a tour of the island, and it's a lot less expensive than Tokyo Ruthie joins us today to tell us more about Japan's wild open spaces. Poquito ruthie. Thanks for being with us. Thank you. I think it's interesting that you mentioned Hokkaido is a lot like the last. Of Japan how so well it was far off the beaten track until the late eighteen hundreds prior to that the only people living in Hokkaido were the indigenous. I knew people kind of similar to the history of the Pacific northwest in the US Japanese didn't come to hook idle until the late eighteen hundreds. And they were really pioneers. There were farmers who are clearing the land, and establishing dairy farms, and crop farms and immigrants from the main island hone shoe and other places who wanted a new opportunity. So it was really only settled by Japanese in the late eighteen hundreds and then the nineteen hundred it's more than physically, like, Alaska, it's demographically and historically, like, Alaska, because when you go to hunt shoe, the main island, where you'll find Tokyo, it feels like the culture has been there for thousands of years. It's just so stab list. But when you venture north, that's like the wild west or the great frontier. Here, isn't it? Yes. And many Japanese who live in haunt shoe or the other islands further south have never been to hook idle. And when they go for the first time many of them remark. Wow, this is like going to a foreign country, it really is different the terrain, and because of the colder climate until recently, they didn't grow rice. They mainly grew crops, like corn and wheat and barley and sugar. Beets and dairy farms is your class Shetik image of Japan, then yeah, it's different. It's really similar to the Pacific northwest where I live now, Oregon, so you mentioned the indigenous. I knew culture we know what happens to our indigenous culture in the nineteenth century. However, the I knew fared this history is rather similar and sadly, I knew were discriminated against and their subsistence economy was based on salmon fishing and hunting, and that was banned private. Salmon fishing was banned by. The Japanese government at one point as an attack on the on the viability of their economy. Yes. And also their language was forbidden. So they were not allowed to continue using their language if they went to school, but recently their efforts to revive some of their cultural practices, and religions and also their language. Are they physically more like Mongolians, or people from Sino, not like Mongolia? They're like, indigenous people in other places like Inuit or eskimo. Okay. I think they're related to the indigenous peoples that came across the Bering strait stone with America with their own language. Yes, I don't think they're any native speakers left anymore, but they have knowledge of the language in are trying to teach it and preserve it. If you're a tourist to Hokkaido, and you wanted to learn about the I knew are there, museums or are there, cultural sort of preserves where you, you might be able to learn about this culture. Yes, you could go to I knew museums and south Boto or Scala. And there are several villages where I knew people live, still, and you can go and see and learn how their life is, and their textiles their music, dance, and so on, and they performed some shows for tourists who up like native Americans in our country. And I suppose most tourist would have on their checklist of things to do rather than the indigenous. I knew they would have emphasis on the outdoors skiing hiking enjoying the parks. What would we spend there in that regard? Well, there's many natural hot springs throughout Japan, but also beautiful choldera lakes in Oregon. We have crater lake national park in Hokkaido. There are five called ehrlich's so called derelict being the remains of volcano filled with water of volcano that exploded and then water gathered in the crater and formed a lake. And so, yeah, you can go hiking. You can enjoy being on the lakeside. Sometimes they're hot springs that come out of ground. Right next to the lake or you can dig in the sand and create your own hot spring bath. So scenic, beauty is wonderful and Hokkaido when I think hot springs, I think Kyushu at the other end of Japan. Right. But the whole island chain of Japan of all k- knows that came how Casey. All over the place. Yes, there over one hundred active volcanoes in Japan. Many of them are steaming in, they're closely monitored, to make sure when they're getting ready to erupt that they know about it. And Hokkaido is just across the water from Russia. In fact, you mentioned there, some disputed islands between Hokkaido in Russia. Right at the end of world. War, two actually, after the World War, Two ended Russia took over for islands to the east of Hokkaido, and the closest one is only a couple miles off the coast of eastern Hokkaido. And so it's still disputed Japan would like to have them back, but it's you know politically difficult Nabet. So you can literally see Russia from Hokkaido though, I grew up in eastern, Hokkaido and grew up thinking of Russia's being east of Hokkaido, because the islands were there the four island there you go. Ruthie canetti's. Introducing us to Japan's Northern Ireland of Hokkaido right now on travel with Rick, steves Ruthie was born and raised in Japan. But now lives in Oregon. She's the author of the moon, guidebook living abroad in Japan. She also leads annual cycling tours of Hokkaido and other destinations in Japan. Her website is Japan cycle tour dot com. Ruthie also posts regularly on Facebook under living abroad in Japan and Japan cycle, tours with the if you're going to be touring Hokkaido by bicycle describe what we'd experience because you've for years, taking groups around on bike, does it lend itself in particular debating, and what would be some of the highlights of, of an itinerary. Well, Hokkaido's much less densely populated than the rest of Japan, the land areas about the size of Indiana, but they're only five million people and one and a half million live in the capital city. So when you go to other areas of Hokkaido, it's really wide open. The roads are newer, and pave. And wider and with wide shoulders. So it lends itself to cycling, and there's many beautiful lakes and mountains and farms recently, you have opportunities to visit farms and help make something make a craft or make some food. That's being emphasized a lot more for tourists to give them some experiences on my tour. We also participate in traditional tea ceremony and option to try out wearing chemo. And we visited I knew museum. We also visit some art museums, but mainly were enjoying the beautiful scenery as we cycle over rolling hills covered with fields of flowers or crops almost looks like patchwork quilt, if I'm going to Japan and I wanna get the great outdoors and enjoy that bike tour sounds like fun. But I'm also just enamored with traditional Japanese. Culture much as does different. If you traveled in, in Hokkaido, would you feel the Japanese cuisine, and, and the Japanese sort of approach to life, there, or is it that much of an outlier that would be feeling like a different country? Well, if you stay in a traditional in or joke on you would still get a same experiences. Staying in Yukon in another part of Japan. Uh-huh. The tatami room where you, they lay out the dawn comforters and night asleep on and you take your shoes off and wear slippers. And you might be served your meal on a low table or you're supposed to take bath before you eat that's considered a way to relax and get ready for a meal is to yet, spring bat in my real I wanted to eat, and then like you bar Burien you can't eat. You gotta go soak in the hot bath, I guess, but it just wanna eat no. You got to go to. So I realize I'm not gonna win this one. So just go there and enjoy the bath. And it turned out to be a really a delight. I would say any good real kind. You'd have a hot bath. Wouldn't you? Yes. And especially for cyclists if you've been biking all day, and maybe it's either in hot and sweaty. Or maybe cold and rainy, a bath is something to look forward to when you arrive at your hotel, and even some western style hotels have large baths that are women and men are separate, but a big hot bath where you can splash, the hot water all over and so here, and I've had, I've had some very nice conversations with Japanese people in the spas, just people seem to be relaxed and a little bit. Yeah handed. I don't know what it is. But, you know, people talk about stuff when they're naked in a lot of hot water. Yes, I write about that, in my book, living abroad, Japan, that being naked is a great equalizer because you have no idea what their status is or what they do in their daily life. You're all in the bath together, you really are. And it's something every American travelers should do is get naked with Japanese people in a hot bath. Right. And watch what they do. And just do the same thing. This is travel with Rick steves, who. Been talking with Ruthie Canady her book is the Mon guide. Living abroad, Japan, obviously, you just love teaching Japanese culture, and you have a great sensitivity for it in an experience there in your work as a guide, taking your bike tours, around Hokkaido. What's one teaching experience that you particularly enjoy? Let's just wrap up our conversation with a final thought on the joy of teaching Americans intricacies of Japanese culture that you can enjoy on the seat of a bicycle. Yes. Well, I like to teach some greetings in Japanese so that people on my tour in greet people, and also phrases that you use at the beginning of the meal. Rocky maas. I will receive and at the end of the meal, go SAMA it was a feast, thank you. I feel that teaching those kind of phrases makes a good entry into Japanese culture, and also because it's so safe you don't have to worry if you're alone. Or if you get lost, I don't think I've ever lost anybody on my bike tour. But if you do get law. Cost, you can always find somebody to help you and they will probably take you to the destination. So it's very safe, and you can relax and enjoy getting to know people and enjoying the culture Ruthie can Agee when it comes to this quick, little discussion. We've had about enjoying Kaido goat so Cima. Good soil summa. It was a beast out again. Thank you, though, he does she must. We have links to ruthies websites with this week show. Rick, steves dot com slash radio. We're walking the streets of Dublin for bloom, stay in just a bit. But I it's a whole different world on the icy waters of Hudson Bay as a Seattle photographer goes in search of a rare close up of polar bears in the wild. That's next on travel with Rick steves. Myemma Concepcion Bengal this heavy via country sticks. Hello, my name is context Yana come from the all on, I travel with Rick states. So concept theon this via, if context it's some men when they turned fifty five sports car, but photographer Paul Saudis had other plans. He wanted to spend a summer alone exploring the waters of Canada's Hudson Bay to reach the sea ice, where polar bear slip. He's been all over the world even to the Antarctic to photograph penguins, but feeling the creature at the top of the food chain in their natural environment year, the top of the world was something Paul had long wanted to do, so he bought a small motorboat got lots of gear and made plans to spend the summer in Canada. He tells the story of his adventure with stunning photographs from the trip in his book Arctic solitaire. He joins us now on travel with Rick steves to tell us what he found as he sailed up. Hudson Bay paw. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me, 'enrich. So set the stage where exactly did you go and why? Well, I had wanted to photograph polar bears for years. I mean they're just the iconic species of the north whenever you think of Arctic Canada or the North Pole. You think polar bears, there's a couple of ways you can see them and it involves spending a lot of money and going to places and being surrounded by other photographers tourists? I wanted to see if I could do it on my own, that was the trick for me if I could walk out my front door travel, overland and alone and somehow make it up to the Arctic ice say about a little boat in sailed up Hudson Bay. But you've mentioned you're just not that much of a voter. I wasn't when I started. I mean, you know, it sounds like a an adventure of waiting to happen with not everything predictable. It was a disaster waiting to happen. That's the nice way to better way to put it. Yeah. I had actually bought the boat a couple years before that, because I wanted to take it up to Alaska and at least learn the ropes. So I went up to southeast Alaska and photographed humpback whales went out pass Kodiak island to, to take pictures of Brown bears along the Kent, my national park other photo travel of foul. I cut my teeth a little bit and all that. But I had a sense that these others were with the teams of people with guides or these were solo. It was also also. So this was your thing to go out in the wilderness, solo with your camera describe Hudson Bay, because I don't even know how the perspective changes on the map at different latitudes, or whatever. But it is big. It's Greenland size big. It is enormous. I mean, it they call it Hudson Bay. But really, it's a vast inland sea at six hundred miles north to south up to four hundred miles across and it's frozen half of the year. And there's not a tree or a hill, and half thousand miles in any direction stopping to win and not a hill to stop the wind. It is deadly flat. And then you were there in the summer. But apparently, if you go far enough, north you eventually hit ice. Exactly. I mean when you hit ice you start looking for. Polar bears. Exactly. I mean you'll see bears along the shore. And a lot of my pictures are sort of bears on rock or bear swimming from one baron territory for bear shooting. I think I mean it's just looking at the photographs in there. It's the sky is big. It is in his endless overwhelming. I mean it's really your little in that boat boat, tiny boat. You read that you are inspired by other historic sailors on Hudson Bay. What sort of historic action was there in that part of Canada? You know, in the last centuries, you know, the earliest explorers just came to terrible ends up there. Henry Hudson, the guy who the bays named after was actually set adrift by mutineers. You know, it was a wretched way to die. But at least he got the bay named after him. That was the end of them. They don't know where he ended up they never they never found him there. They set them adrift. What a cool place to go for a summer vacation. Exactly. Okay. So tell us about this boat because it's I mean I grew up on boats in twenty two feet. Is that's a little runabout. I found these boats more by luck than research. They were just sturdy cabin cruisers building fiberglass right up north, I'm Bellingham Washington to me, it seemed like the VW van like the camper bus of 'bout Zinni. Okay. It was just big enough for big enough for a, you've got to get out of the weather. Is it just one motor? I had to Honda forty horse outboard. So he didn't go to I definitely wanted to have a backup. I was always worried that something was going to go wrong. And it usually did in the name of the boat was seasick, everybody who buys one of the one of these folks seems to think the C stands for clever and names, some Sea Wolf, and seesaw. And I bought sea sick. And he said he learned the hard way how a boat can be a hole in the water where you put your money. Absolutely. I kept every winter, I would sort of. Think about it. What went wrong and what I could improve and would be online, buying a new chart plotter, and new a backup depth sounder anything I can think of I was bringing along and Henson bay are they're nice days, or is it, our can it be kind of brutal winter cold, there were some nice days of, like I could probably wouldn't run out of fingers counting them up where it was t shirt, weather, and you colic and the rest of the time, it was howling and stormy and freezing. So you left your wife for the summer for what three or four years in a row and you went over there, and you've got your boat heading north for polar bears. Tell us about, you know, refueling and the practicalities of this getting provision, my images. There's just a few little Inuit settlements and the skulls of wild animals sitting on the mainland, you know, you pretty much nailed it. There's just a half a dozen villages all along the west coast, scattered across six hundred miles, and I. Always had to be aware of how much fuel I had and how much gas, I had left, you know, it'd be very embarrassing to have to start paddling the last few miles. And so I always kept an eye on the fuel level and anytime I came to one of the villages, that was my first order of business was looking for the gas station and refilling. That was like a constant worry. And I was just always kind of thinking, like how much longer can I go? You're not sailing. You're motoring. I'm motoring. There's no there's no. When you're out of you don't wanna be rowing. Twenty two seasick boat, photographer. Paul Souters has taken some amazing photographs around the world right now on travel with Rick steves, he's telling us what he encountered on rather risky expedition, the western shore of Hudson Bay to photograph polar bears in the while. His book Arctic solitaire is published by mountaineers books. You'll find photos Paul took on his heads and adventure online at Arctic solitaire dot com. Okay. Now it's all about polar bears. What is it about poor rich, you call them the, the top of the food chain special creature? But what's the intrigue care for photographer? Just thing polar bears. Are they are like this iconic species? They really if you think about the north is the one animal that everybody gravitates to. They're smart. They're cool animals. They're gorgeous to look at for me. At least I really find it compelling to be out among predators among an animal because you're top the food chain. Also. I'm second I'm definitely not. I'm your number two at best bed because I'm top of the food chain. But I'm looking at this guy here this this, you're a photographer and the photograph on the cover of your book Arctic solitaire. One thing whenever I look at these, you know, I I've talked to other photographers all about, you know, polar bears. You look into the highs that polar bear and it's like there's another world there in from his perspective. And this is our world connecting with their world. And he's usually sitting on the top of a hunk of ice. That's melting. Absolutely. I mean there is an intelligence and a soul finis there so often. That's it. Yeah. That really appealed to me. You know, I went up there thinking that maybe I could somehow capture some of that spirit and my pictures, I don't know if I did or I didn't. But is this like the allusive dream, or do you do you pretty routinely see polar bears? When you're out there in the right spot looking for them, it took a lot of looking. I mean final white bear on an endless sea of white ice. What took a lot of patience and determination hour after hour either for one hundred days and your day is really just sitting there and your little seasick vote. Looking scanning the ice for something white. Absolutely. I had our our and then you see him and you, you some close, and he decides to lope away, most of the time, I have a I have a lot of pictures of the south end of northbound airs. He also says a few other ammos, I would imagine you got some great shots of walruses and sea creatures. Exactly. I mean, there's, you know, there's it's a big open space, whenever we I encountered ice I could almost always count on there, being seals or walrus something, you know, just hauling out of that really icy cold, water, and sunning themselves, or at least taking a break and resting on the on the ice. Our guest right now in traveled Rick steves is photographer, Paul Souters and Paul documents his summer sale. Hudson Bay in his book, Arctic solitaire, a boat obey in the quest for the perfect bear Paul's website is world photo dot com in that photo with an F world photo dot com. Paul, you write about how you had nightly conversations with your wife on the satellite phone until on. And I'm just looking at the excitement in your faces. You tell your story here and your wife, just must've pet Paul. You know you wanna be alone on a little boat for day after day on in the north end of Hudson Bay looking for bears. I mean, what's the joy take us there? Try to let us know what it's like there on a great day for you. Well, a great day up on the bay or any kind of anytime I'm out on the one she didn't just do this. Once she did it for four summers in a row. I went up for four summers, and it was immersive. I mean it just kind of just how I would wake up on the boat and the sun would be shining. And, and I just knew that like today was going to be the day even though it's never that day you kind of pump yourself up and have some coffee and some oatmeal and pull up the anchor and head out just start looking all around with the binoculars, and if I see a bear than the trick is not. Frighten it. I mean, not yet not to stress the animal. You turn the motor off. I turn motor off and actually I almost always set out in my little zodiac inflatable because it's much less threatening is lowered of the water. Right. So I would just run on a perilous low parallel course to see if he get curious. Okay. So we actually he's aware of you. And the question is, does he wanna come over and meet me? Exactly. Do you have something to protect yourself? If you wanted to do more than meet you I had to use my I just had to be really aware. I did bring y'all gun. I brought it's a little penny sized flare launcher that launches. Noisemaker shells. And I did also have a twelve gauge that I had bare banger shelves are called. I had those in there. But in the boat, I never had to do that at all. So you had to make a lot of decisions. I, I would think that you've got storms to deal with. You've got natural phenomena. She talked about title bores. What's a situation, you got yourself into. And you wish you would have done it a little differently. The weather almost. Always scared me more than the barest dead. I mean I was just a sitting duck out there. There were there's no harbor. There's no nice. Marina to go to. I just had to find a place where I could a little cove where I could drop anchor and shelter from any storms that were coming. And I relied on my wife Janet every night, we would we talk about the weather I right? And then I say, you're he knows where you are. This is cool, high tech kind of communication, and she can help you steer around storms are be ready for storms exactly with their fatigue thing. Or was there a fear thing you're alone? When were you really afraid, there are always credentials of fear? I think there was always an awareness of how far I was from any help. That'd be the major thing, something goes wrong. If you've got helped nearby, you're probably going to be okay, but something not desperate could go wrong. But if you got no help it can become desperate. I prided myself on kind of thinking through what could go wrong and trying to be ready for it. But there were times when things just snowballed out of control. There was one time huge pack ice came in. Coming in from the north and I was kind of watching it, but I wasn't keeping an eye on the other direction. And it actually I got pinched, and you could get in golfed and moving ice tables, I was closed off completely squeezed. The boat out of the water. I didn't wanna find out because if that happened, I guess, you've got outboard Motors. Right. So you could pull the Motors and not he wouldn't mess up your propellers. I didn't wanna find out. I actually I before I got caught because if I did then you're just I could get crushed. Both could be crushed by the ice. Little zodiac would be you'd be a little lifeboat. Exactly. And I didn't I just would be embarrassing jaws the talked about getting stuck in the ice. You wrote, quote, I felt like there was a target on my back and that was intimidating changing weather conditions suddenly, you'd be confronted by a wall of ice or a approaching storm. Give us a sense of, of that anxiety. That might cause every day, I had to worry about could I keep the boat safe, could I make sure you know, find someplace to. Anchor that night. So I always always kinda watching the ice and what direction it was coming from trying to keep an eye on the wind and always worried that I was going to get a big east wind coming in and blowing from four hundred miles across east, you're on the west side, so blowing across it's like an ocean wave coming at you. Exactly. It's huge storms. And there were a couple of times when big systems came in. And I sat hunkered behind just little crescents of rock, hoping that, you know, the waves wouldn't break over that. And I, I was stuck once for four days riding out, a gale and just a little cove that was probably one hundred and fifty yards long a wide so give you little shelter. I had shelter from the breaking seas. But could you've got the hook and be solid that you could sleep at night. Without it dragging. That was always the big scare anytime that it was blowing twenty-five thirty thirty-five sleep soundly, because you might wake up on the shore. Exactly. I I spent. A lot of nights just sitting in my captain's chair, staring at the GPS kind of watching the ark, as we went got were blown back informed or full summer vacation wonder if that's the case, and you, you had some encounters with the Inoue, it's the local indigenous people. What, what does that community like? And what did they think when they saw you coming in? I mean, I would imagine they'd wonder what you're up to exactly. I mean, there was a lot of curiosity because they just don't get outsiders coming in, in their own boat, just kind of motoring in out of the blue. They just don't see that it's there, so far away from any other no tourism there. There's very little tourism. We'll take a very hardy sort, as you go into one of these towns in its dislike your a trapper or something like that a little bit. I mean, their modern places there that they have to have modern schools. They have the candidates, they get their support from the government, even if they're in the far reaches exactly, they have to actually have really good infrastructure up there. And a lot of investment anytime I was coming close to a village. I. It always seemed like I'd run into a skiff full of, hunters, they were curious like, what is this? This is a new boat. They don't rank any at hunters exact meeting a little boat of guys that were out hunting. Yep. There's like these seventeen twenty two foot aluminum skiffs with one hundred and fifty horsepower. Outboard what were they hunting? They were hunting seal narwhal walrus. And that was their livelihood. Exactly. It's a, it's a traditional subsistence culture. They're using some modern technology the for Paul Souters shows us how a small capable boat can take you on the wildest adventures in his book Arctic solitaire about obey and the quest for the perfect bear. He includes photographs of polar bears, and icebergs, from his adventures in the Canadian Arctic labrador. And Greenland on his website world photo dot com and photo is spelled. F OT. Oh. The idea. The goal was to grab the best polar bear photograph ever, describe your most rewarding moment as a target for. Like you said, I went up there looking to take the best bowler a picture that it ever been shot. And I don't know that I did that, but I got certainly the best picture I've ever shot in thirty five years of trying. One of the earliest polar bears. I saw was swimming in the bay. And I saw her go under an iceberg and Popper head up to Burri in a little hole. And I managed to get the zodiac around and hold the camera out on a pole. So I wasn't right on top of her and she submerged and I thought the picture would be when she came up for oppressed. So I started shooting ahead of time just to try to get focus and she came up and breathed and went down and disappeared and swam away, I was shooting blind. I couldn't see what I was what the camera was seeing. And when I finally had a chance to look at the frames. There was just this one magical. Image of the bear peering up from under the ice at me. She was submerged and the setting midnight. Sun is off to the west and the sky is filled with smoke from forest fires to the south. It is a gift. It is like this perfect gem that perfect storm of circumstances. Exactly Paul Souters, thanks for chasing your dream in judging by the photographs in your book reaching it. Best wishes in your future travels. Thanks for writing Arctic. Solitaire, thank you. Some people call James Joyce's epic novel. Ulysses, one of the greatest works of literature. Others it's one the hardest books to read up next. We hear how James Joyce fans in Dublin try to recreate scenes from the novel on what they now call Bloom's day local guide, Joe Darcy takes us around Dublin next on travel with Rick steves. It can be a grand tour in when you have a good companion to take your on the streets of double the creative tradition of Irish literary greats like Becca Yates, choice in Shah continue on in its youthful arts and music scene to this day. And there's a lot of compelling history at your feet as well from its thirteenth century Dublin castle to its role as the second city of the British empire Dublin streets have known, feast and famine and they bore witness to the bloody struggle for Irish independence on a lighter note each year, the city commemorates, June. Sixteenth is blooms day. That's the day, the streets have Dublin become the haunt of James Joyce van says they painstakingly recreate the details of that day lived by his character. Leopold bloom in Ulysses. Joe Darcy specializes in walking tours of his hometown. He joins us now for insider tips for seeing the best of w Joe, thanks for being here. Thank you for having me. Thank you for having me. So Dublin was at one time, the number two city and the British empire it certainly was particularly in the eighteenth, century seventeen hundreds, it really was seventeen hundred zero period of architecture known as Georgian architecture and open went to a big big building boom, in the eighteenth, century, and Dublin's prosperous, Protestant class. They had a huge amount of money, and they built a huge amount all of these, when we see the great Georgian architecture, George in his British for neoclassical when you go to Dublin, and that was mostly Protestant bigwigs in Dublin representing the British throne. Yes. Sorry. Elite because the deal fish of the colony the official religion in Orland was Protestantism, although the vast majority of people were Catholic, we have this phrase called beyond the pale beyond the pale it relates the Dublin, when the Anglo Normans the precursor to the English when they arrived and captured the city of Dublin in eleven sixty seven eleven sixty nine your pardon and Dublin became the center of the English. Colony of Ireland in a very short period. They built castles in and around opened up to thirty miles north thirty miles forty miles south and ten twelve miles today to the west and that became known as the pale. P A, L, E beyond the pale and beyond the pale was outside the English control good life, teen you, if you venture beyond the beyond absolutely. Okay. Let's go back with our walk through Dublin now and to me that the center of Dublin would be O'Connell bridge, and you stand on O'Connell bridge. And what are we going to see your the guide? Tell us about the river. Tell us about over looking at what you're standing on O'Connell bridge, your standing on the, the river Liffey, which is flowing on the new rebel, if he flows in an east west direction almost perfectly EastWest for the city of Dublin. So what divides Dylan beautifully open to northside and southside, the northside of Dublin in the early Georgian period, was the place where the stock received built their houses, and then in around the middle of the eighteenth century, my name, James FitzGerald built his house now. Call lender house on the south side of the city and from the time he built his house there. All the, the rich people started to build their houses, on the south side, south on the north side kind of got deserted, from the, by the rich people and start to be populated by poor people. There's a working class edge to it. Yeah, yeah. Very much. So an in years, gone by, when Dublin's population was centered in the city Dublin's population that now spread into suburbs. But in years, gone by does a big population live in Dublin city centre, and you were defined by which side of the river. You were born on what's the joke. The north headers were called the accused the accused undecided side is where your honor your is that much of a gap. It's not so much now. But when I was growing up pretty rough rough and tumble district that when north side is where considered real less or more criminally inclined favorite joke, was years ago was why would us outside girl? I says the well off. Why would she go out with a northside a boy to get her handbag back? I want my handbag back just beyond the next bridge. Then down from O'Connell bridge. Wonderful memorial of six or seven figures, they are very tall takers. Very tall skinny figures. And I think what the sculpture has made them tall is to accept you. Wait. How thin they were Artem has had a long troubled history, but without a doubt the greatest disaster to happen to our was the famine of eighteen forty six hundred forty seven isn't the population of Ireland today, even less than it was before the great potato famine. Oh, it's still much less than the lately of the popular, ask something. There's a sense of art. In eighteen forty one the population of our was eight million people, the population of art, and in the nineteen hundred and one cents, which is the next one we have records for because a lot of records were destroyed was less than four million people, so half population hived and in a short period, there's no whether European country. No other. Western country think, has a population demographic that population is less than it was one hundred and fifty years. And that's part of the impact Ireland has had in the United States. There are more Irish people in the United States today than than in Ireland. That's very true. Yeah. This is travel with Rick steves. We're talking with Joe Darcy and he's a tour guide in Dublin, and we're taking a walk through Dublin, and Joe who went to walk from O'Connell bridge up O'Connell street. We see a lot of statues that just really tell the story of Irish history where some of the characters will meet on that dole Connell street, by the first, the first Dutch Z. It's right beside O'Connor bridge is the statue of Daniel O'Connell. He's one of my great heroes of Ireland, most of the heroes of Ireland our soldiers who have died fighting for Ireland but Daniel O'Connell is one of my great heroes, because he lived for ROY, and he was a politician in the early nineteenth century, who through peaceful means through organizing, the Catholics of ardent into a major, sort of block. They didn't have any votes in Ireland Catholics did not have the vote, but he organized a series of mass monster meetings, Munster meetings, tens of thousands of people. This was the Ford. They had amplified voice speakers yet this was very much like the velvet revolution. That went on eastern European countries. Soviet union. Yeah. Daniel O'Connell was doing this in the eighteen twenties. You'd also come upon the general post office, and, and this is to a lot of people going, well, it's the post office, but this is near and dear to the Irish soil genital post office, one of the most iconic buildings, not just in Dublin, but an Ireland why so I am an ardent has has been a colony of England for a long, long time. Seven hundred years, there's been many, many rebellions right throughout that time. And the most iconic of other guidance was through by nineteen sixty in which took place, mostly in Dublin on the morning of Easter Monday in nineteen sixty in a small group of Irish rebels captured the GPO, the general post office and declared an Irish Independent Republic. The rebellion was doomed to failure in terms of military, because they didn't have any numbers, they would easily going to get beaten, but what their intention was and what they succeeded in doing was to reinvigorate the demand by Artis people for their own nationhood, again, they had almost no chance of winning but they had dope. This just almost no chance. They had zero. So this is worse than the Alamo in America. Probably. She like the Alamo. To the Alamo. They had no hope of victory either nearby. There used to be a statue of the great British hero, Lord Nelson Lord Nelson's column Nelson's pillar was called. I think it was built around eighteen twenty or something that you can walk up Nelson's pillar in an internal stairway. I remember doing a chart for three Pence, which was a lot of money. I could buy a lot of tough for three Pence. I did it once in nineteen sixty six on the fiftieth anniversary of the nine nineteen sixty nine so that's fifty years after the years. Yeah. The general post office Republican Army put a bomb in the middle of Nelson's, pillar and knocked down from Dell. Halfway down you blew it up blew it up yet what stands there today? It was replaced by a statue of the river, goddess the goddess of the river, Liffey or name was Anna Libya. I loved an alleviates statue. She was a reclining figure. She must have been about eighteen twenty foot long surrounded by a fountain of water and most Dublin. People loved her there, quite often, people would put soap washing washing-up liquid into the fountain and chief peace around by Soanes, and she was known affectionately as the floozy in the jacuzzi. When the when the year two thousand was coming around a lot of European cities. I don't know about American cities were building doom projects to commemorate, the new millennia. Right. So there was a lot of designs put in for a new monument on the site of the former Nelson's pillar the winning. Project was a one hundred ten meter high metal spars called the monument of light and just like a stainless steel stainless steel spike, most people know what the spike, it's just like a big flagpole on it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Any other nicknames? It's the Spar. It's the needle the stiletto in the ghetto just that I don't wanna getaways as most popular nickname, you just across the road from the stiletto in the ghetto is a statue James Joyce on a streetcar north o street. And he's a typical James Joyce poll is he has his walking stick out, and he's known as the dick would stick. I'm Rick steves. This is travel with Steve for talking with Joe Darcy were walking through Dublin. Our phone number's eight seven seven three three three seven four to five and Charles calling in from Peachtree city, Georgia. Cheryl, thanks for your call. Hi, I'm going to be visiting Dublin on a cruise and I'm going to have a limited amount of time. We're just going to be there for about twelve hours. So I was wondering if you could tell me some of the things that I should I can't miss during that time. And maybe something that's off the beaten path. Well, one of the things hi it's Joe. What are the things that you, you shouldn't miss is the book of tells which is not the oldest mine descript. Book made annoyed him. But the, the most important, it's famous for the calligraphy and the incredible artwork. That's in it. That's on permanent display in Trinity College. Right in the heart of Dovan Moi advice would be if you're on a cruise ship does probably going to be lots of buses visiting into cut his they normally visit in the morning hours. So don't go there in the morning. If you go in there on your own arguably the most beautiful medieval art from the dark ages in Europe, the illuminated manuscript from the book of Kells. Absolutely. A, a reminder that Ireland was a real bright spot in Europe, when, when the rest of your Putin moon, call the dark ages, so as well as Trinity College, I would say, that's due in late afternoon. But before that perhaps, go up take a walk up to Dublin castle, in the grounds of Dublin castle, a lot of people get disappointed when they say Dublin castle because they're expecting the medieval castle Tobin castle, was destroyed by an accidental fire towards the end of the seventeenth century. And it's French-style building now but it's a magnificent building for a central government release ascent. It was the center of government of the British car of the colony of Ireland jet now. One thing I'd recommend Cheryl is to just take advantage of all the wonderful guides in Dublin. I mean Joe is one of them, but there's lots of good guides that give walking historic walking tours. They take an hour and a half or so, and students do it at Trinity College, and then guides meet you at different meeting points around Dublin, and they'll give you a good to our historical walk. So nuclear have fun Cheryl on your trip. Thank you very much. You bet and Stevens, calling in from cut of hay in Wisconsin. Steven, thanks for your call. Rick in two thousand thirteen my wife and I were is doubling and we happen to be there for blooms day, June sixteenth. And we took a. Guided James Joyce, walks, we went to Davy Byrne's pub for lunch. We have the traditional gorgonzola cheese sandwich and glass of burgundy and for anybody who has any interest in Dublin or Irish literature. I this should be a pilgrimage go just gave you a thumbs up that doesn't show over on the radio, but he's all for what you just said. If, if you were having good gorgonzola cheese sandwich in Davie burns on Bloom's eight two thousand and thirteen. I might have been there at the same time I was I was the guy dressed in. Well, that was Townsend's of people dressed. But I had a liberty bona hat on. I, I have my blooms. They outfit and I sincerely, hope if you did Davy burns on your pilgrimage that you went to a place called Sweeney's Sweeney's pharmacy is on Lincoln place in Dublin. And that's one of my favorite places until benun. If you're looking for something different to do and Dovan, visit sways pharmacy, not just on Bloom's day. Now what's so good about this pharmacy? Sweeney's pharmacy was a pharmacy built in eighteen forty five eighteen fifty. So it's a Victorian farm. Masih and the pharmacy has been preserved one of my colleagues in Sweden. I say when a Mike cottage, twenty six I'm director of FW sweaty complement, which is a charity, which looks after the Trump, it's a preserved Victorian pharmacy. But what makes it on the Joyce trail is in chapter five of James Joyce's? Ulysses classic book about dubbing onto sixteen to Joe nineteen hundred and four the Opole bloom around pen thirty in the morning goes into Sweeney's pharmacy, whitey's inswing as farmers. He's looking around. He's describing the bottles and jars onto shelves probably still there today. It's just it's just an incredibly preserved building on why these there, the oppo bloom Biza bottom lemon soap, so every visit our who visit us on Bloom's. They particularly they buy a bar soap, it's not just on Bloom's. They Sweeney's pharmacy is open every day. It's a little jam and open it only holds about twenty people. If they're all seated in there, we sit people in there and we read James Joyce L allowed on everyday between one o'clock two o'clock. There's a story read or a part of. Book. But if you go in there with a group of people outside those hours, they read a story for you, anyway. So now for those of us who are not that literate to have read Ulysses. What is boom? Stay bloom. They is the sixteenth of June James Joyce's, most famous novel is Ulysses which is about one day in Dublin and the day he'd show was the sixteen to June nineteen hundred and four, which is the day, that he went out with a girl named nor barnicle for the first time that was their first date, they eventually eloped a few months later. So the city celebrates James Joyce in his literary heritage every June sixteenth, every June. Sixteenth is now known as blooms day, and we dress up in the clothes of the period, and we follow the roots of both Leopold bloom. And a guy named Stephen Daedalus as they're walking backwards and forwards across Dublin on the sixteenth of July. Stephen, would you recommend being in Dublin on, on Bloom's day? I would my wife and I are going to be there again this year for bloom, stay, and we hope we can meet show and what you look forward to doing other than meeting Joe on Bloom's day. There's all kinds of. Titties, there's concerts, there's walks, there's just hanging out in the pub. A couple of other favorite hidden treats in Dublin me, we might want to be aware. The Marsh library is Arlyn's oldest public library, which three hundred year old I right beside Saint patches potato. So if you're a tourist in the likelihood is you're going to go along to Saint Patrick's cathedral at some stage and just a little bit further on. I'm talking fifty. Sixty ours is a Marsh library and the library has been preserved as it was built three hundred years ago. A three hundred year old library. Those are wonderful all of your plenty of find them in, in what's one more. Just a little bit outside Dublin city center is a place called the casino in Marino. It is an incredibly unique work of Georgian architecture from the late eighteenth century. It is a magnificent building on the outside. It looks like a Grecian temple would huge windows, a massive from door, and it looks for all the world like it's going to be one room. One big hall inside. And this would have been back from the days when Ireland was not chafing at British rule. But at least. Blin was embracing it and, and benefiting moment, it was embracing those Amman named James Caulfield, who was who had inherited a large fortune. And he went off in a grand tour of Europe when he was twenty years of age, and he came back with wonderful ideas of bringing classic architecture and classic art ninety built the casino Marino. Steven, thanks for your call. You bet. I'm speaking with Joe Darcy who's a tour guide in Dublin. His website is versus Dublin walks dot com today within walking through Dublin, and don't let just finish with temple bar, because that's just sort of the trendy khaki touristy full of him parties. Instead parties feared drinking zone. But you can't miss it when you're in Dublin. How can we approach and enjoy temple bar? You should walk through template bar Jordan the day because the couple of streets you're walking on our seventeenth centuries three that you're walking on. Yes, it is a little bit tacky. It's a bit of a tourist trap, but it's extremely colorful and there's also the music pub walk and the literary pub crawl. Oh, yeah. From the under wonderful experiences, because you can go from pub to public about the music or the literature, depending on your taste and temple bar, and Tilden was a thriving area in the eighteenth century. And it was full of as well as taverns and bars. It was full of theaters, including one called a small Couty theater, which has been restored now. And that was the first theater to be built in to British oils after the restoration of the monarchy in Britain in the mid seventeenth century so much history. So now when people go to Ireland they always when you order a beer, you get a Guinness. Yeah. If you say can have a pint, please department assumes you mean appointed Guinness. That's in Dublin in Dublin, of course. Yeah. Now, if you want the most scenic pint of Guinness, they say it doesn't travel very well. And if you want to get it right from the birthplace with a good view where would you go, the Guinness storehouse? Yeah, it gets very, very crowded during the summer months, and maybe go along towards the end of the day. What you have when you go through the Guinness museum? But you finish up on the bar at the top of the store, gravitas. It's called the gravity bar, and it has a one. View three hundred six you in the city. I think and he got an ice beer there. And everybody's in a good mood. And if, if you're kind of person that enjoys a brewery tour, it's an way to capita. So don't let's just finish. We walked all around town. We had our Guinness up on top the gravity bar. Take us to one last stop in the late afternoon or early evening. Grafton street is shopping street on the outside. The city it's been a pedestrian street feels like a shopping mall shelter. It's has a huge large department stores. But it has a lot of small shops as well. What Graefin street is most famous for us for the street entertainment. We refer to street entertainers of buskers on the books can be. US. K. I. N G. Sometimes my American visitors don't know that word I love that word yet rate, buskers unwrapped and street. And when I found unlike anywhere else is, of course, got street musicians. Chelsea have street, poets street poets as well. Yeah. Great opportunity to feel the pulse of Dublin dough Darcy. Thanks so much for your peak at. Beautiful city. Thank you. We'll see. Travel with Rick steves is produced by Tim captain is a Kaplan Wilner and caz hall. At Rick steves Europe in Edmonds. Washington banks to k- el-sisi an Eugene Oregon for studio help this week. 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Seven zero nine forty four zero nine joined the army because my father. My brother were in the army thought. Better join before. I got drafted Sunday. Three zero draft war there was one no rick tittle always goes commando. Thank you for that and welcome back and we have a full segment of open lines. If you'd like I'll call it once and breaking phones one. Eight hundred eight seven eight play American Forces Radio Network. Speaking to a friend of mine. Who's a navy vet and talking about dog tags and you can look on your dog tag and it will say like no religious preference or J. for Jewish RC for Roman Catholic. Whatever but for blood on the talk it said a blank peo s a piece of s but it means a positive when that dog was given out. We didn't have twitter talk. Like what a what a P. O. S? But that's pretty funny on your dog tag. A BLANK PEO S. I joined the navy to see the loan. What did I see on the One? Eight hundred eight seven eight play. The Chicago bears have made it known that starting quarterback job this coming season is going to be best man standing. And that's because they went out and they got nick foles to compete with Mitchell trubisky. We'll get to that in a second but let's go to the sunshine state. Is Mario Tallahassee? What's up man? I heard that Nick foles name though that follow be mentioned. Do you think if Jameson come on the market before they had signed Nick foles done this thing would brady and Tampa that they would have made a play Jameson. You'd they just wanted to go with a safer version of a backup to challenge trubisky. Yeah I think it would've flushed out the same. I mean as you know James. Is You know dynamite. He'll help you blow up the mind to get gold. They'll help you blow up the mind to cave in on you. Yeah and you know there was some hope. I think early in his career that he was going to pan out a little bit like Andrew. Lock because Andrew Luck would throw. The ball came quite a bit but he never really got past that it never it. Never let me this way. The Split Second Andrew lucked out protection. He was a pro bowl or all. Nfl caliber type player right. I don't feel that A. G. Gave James. All Day long back to make his reads and make decisions he would throw anything less than still twenty two twenty three interceptions year. I don't think that's it at all. You know the about the thing about luck two. He'd seemed pretty mature. And then I did Jamie's Winston at all until I watched hard knocks on the way. He was portrayed there he had the mind of a twelve year old. And I know you can't wash your hands of him after the whole Uber actual fondling thing you know if I were. Gm argument against. And I didn't actually call for James. Was this just came to mind with a pulse thing. Yeah there's a I don't know if you saw this or not rick but if I were GM or who. Who's coach? Came up to them. If I were brewed who went up to I would take I would. I would take that clip of the last game of the season. Where after being seven and seven and having a chance to maybe raise a little hey he threw a bunch of interceptions and in the last game of his career. Tampa Bay buccaneer picks overtime. He comes to the interview room or whatever I don't know what the technical name for it is a press conference and he says. Check the numbers. I'm Ballin are you kidding me or do you lack themselves. Are you kidding me? You just went from seventy seven to seven and nine primarily under shoulders you through a pick Dixon overtime to cause your team any chance. You Know Eight. Nate sound so much better than seven to nine direct. You know your team some hope and and you go up there and you tell the press. Check the numbers. I'm balling Oli cow. Where you should go up there and say man. I'm I just can't believe you can't understand disappointed. I am with my performance today. Check the numbers on. Get the hell out of here. Get the hell out of here. That sounds like the late Tony Soprano and I was at the ranch is what why is that. A body of work and he goes. I had nothing to do getting on a plane on my answer my question. That's a Rod Meghan infested corpse of work man. I mean that's body or you have you can't there's Times you look at a guy and you go. He will never after he's been in the League five years right. He's never gonNA to have the wherewithal to put two and two together and act properly. Both on the field off appeal somebody. They'll we'll take a chance on that electricity Somebody's sooner or later was gonNA to have their. Qb Go down and say let's you know what let's bring him in going full damn well the same way. Probably the raiders brought in Mariota that it may the Derek Carr may not be long for the starting job with Mariotti. Get a break or two or they have a bad game or to well. The Way I think the waiters look Mariota's that they think that if Derek Carr goes down they'll have a chance to keep winning. They did have that chance with Mike. Glennon Sean Kaiser. But the thing about it is is you know. Mariota is not going. To throw thirty touchdown passes but you know he's not gonNA throw thirty picks so just as intriguing. Jameis Winston. Is You know it's just like it's like eating a hamburger with a donut. As a bun- it looked so good No you don't want it. Yeah but it is tempting. Appeal them up and take them one piece at a time right and then maybe maybe try to do something with the remnants but in that you just can't the thing whereas you know what Mary doll is made me think they'll wrecks and you may see this in Oakland. If he gets the chance to start you always hear about guys who are conservative with the ball and and they don't go a lot of pictures and stuff guys who were generally conservative with a ball or conservative for damn good reason. They don't feel they have the arm strength to fit into windows sometimes ru sometimes. I don't know that you can get to a championship game without elite level. Four though you know I just don't well that's why I think your point about his fifth year. I mean Brett. Farve the amount of Pixie through if Jameis Winston had gone thirty three and thirty his rookie year people would you ten ten ten first round picks for him. Because all you can think. Oh my gosh this kid this kid once he learns not to throw picks but he did it his fifth year. So that you're right you'll never learn. Yeah yeah all the rationalizations new offense Yada Yada Yada? He let me tell you I watched every snap. I think I said these two before. Don't come and tell me that. All those picks were because he was taking chances down the field. Most of them were eight yards. From the line of scrimmage right into a linebackers hands it wasn't like he was trying to fit it in a window in a defensive player made an excellent play. You guys put one step in front of the receiver seven times last year and walked it into the end zone. Okay that's not taking a shop down the field high risk Cairo. Lord I know the difference for God's Sakes it's not that complicated anyway. The real reason I called. Where do you guys are? You personally must go ahead. I'm sorry just going to say one thing about your bucks. I know that Tom Brady has gone out member. He got out there and he tried to get Tom Terrific. Which is Tom Sue? Sierra which I hated but he's of course copyrighted top obey Tampa Brady. And I know you already got the copyright for Tampa Gay F- ears. I know that was yours. But what do you forget that? What were you gonNA ask me? You're you're you guys are probably hot you particular because I know you like Pascal guys. You probably are pretty hot for Jerry. Judy right at twelfth. Did you hear about those receivers at the Wunderlich? I do not okay so by the way I love Michael Pitman. I think he's going to be like Terry McAuliffe. And this this draft. Maybe yeah but but Jerry. Judy and CD Lamb Henry. Rugs they all were at Wunderlich if you get a ten or lower your illiterate so so they got like a nine or ten or eleven. So are you okay with all those guys being legally illiterate? Well I'm GONNA say this. I watched some of the more Some of the greatest receivers in NFL history are Randy Moss. Jerry Rice a couple of other guys. None of those guys. Let me tell you a really interesting thing. Very few great players are dumps are dummies. Okay no I'm not comfortable. Picking a guy menu running back the receiver to excite adjusts and has no where they're supposed to be a particular play. I don't think so I. There comes a baseline level of Wunderlich score and I'm shying away from because I need the guy that has some. He may have plenty plenty of football smarts but I need them to be able to understand things beyond football as well you know. Let let me throw this one at you because we've looked at Wunderlich questions before but this was one that I thought for sure had to be made up but it was real. This was one of the Wunderlich questions and it was which of these words does not belong January February march Tuesday June. And they got it wrong. Obviously Juge there's only got four letters. I remember Vince Young. He Put Cherries in the category of deserve judge. That was the one that you have used many many times in the many years. I've listened to you always If you were GonNa have backed with an animal. What kind of animal would it be? That's right question. Yeah Damon Stoudamire got asset NBA. Any answer to that will make you sound insane. And we'll make the president repeat the Animal. Go giraffe A giraffe. No I told you at the time just off the top of my head I would say that's human female. I mean that's an animal right. I mean you would have at least off the topic. I came up with it. You know. That's what you go a human an animal. I would say something like sort of like to make them think I would go. Well I would have to be a blowfish. Well have sex with an AARDVARK and I gotta tell you that wasn't that great 'cause I'm GonNa Scratch aardvark off the. Let's give me a minute. You know I mean Holy Cow Man. I mean I. I think I'd get up and walk out just as an aside and microbes people out but I just finished a book yesterday about Napoleon his Russian campaign of eighteen twelve anti Cossacks which were mostly tartars on ponies. But when they came in it was all beastie -ality with all the farm animals. Great Bunch of Lads. Well you know what that automatically gets out Scott Walker Song Contacts are rolling through my head right now. I'M GONNA go give us. I don't know if you know Scott Walker is but but Yeah I did not know that. I'M GONNA have to pick that book up. I'm not a history. I'm not quite the history expert like you are but I am interested in that kind of thing. I bet that was it was. I'll have to figure it out. It was a book written in the sixties actually and it was hard read because he uses every big word in the English language. Wonder like scores. Pretty gotTa have the highest. Who Do you think would have the highest Wunderlich score all the authors? I'M GONNA go with James. Joyce who do you got? Wow that's a good one. I'll say George will. I don't consider George Wilton author as much commentator George couple of baseball books. But that's all that's all I got it right now but Yeah you can go with the James Joyce for now and by the way. Now I know why. Sonoma's state changed their mascot from Cossacks to see wolves. Oh man well if you can get on twitter and by the way if you hit on twitter author up. I'd love to know who it was. All right. I'll talk to you. Seaman take care. I'm rick it'll come on back on the sports byline. Usa think you ask band? We are the dead. Destroy our network any debt. You HAVE CREDIT CARD TANS STUDENT. 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The quarterback from Iowa but quarterbacks of note Joe Borough got thirty four which is very good. Jake frahm did even better a thirty five out of Georgia Georgia Jordan. Lab had a respectable twenty seven. The worst score was to tag of a Loa with a thirteen. Second worst was Jalen hurts with eighteen before you say to. Oh my gosh. She's stupid at thirteen Lamar Jackson got thirteen. Raise your hand if you want. Lamar Jackson the NFL MVP. And then look at a guy like Donovan mcnabb. Who I would have thought. Oh my Gosh Syracuse. You know he probably got in the thirties. Donovan mcnabb got a fourteen Donovan. Mcnabb won ninety eight games in his career and went to six pro bowls. So just because you don't take tests well doesn't mean you can't play football well but it is yet another thing to add to the list of risk size and everything else that you think about from the combine and your injury report everything else the measurable 's it just depends on. How much do you WANNA put into it? Because if you're telling me. Lamar Jackson is too dumb to learn an offense and to re defenses. No but to attack of a loa gotta thirteen and Nate Stanley. Hey got a forty all draft him. You know saying that nobody. I'm rick that'll have a good weekend. We'll see a Monday nine. Am We don't have brain damage? You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting live twenty percents newsfeed. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by on facebook. Twitter and INSTAGRAM's is a message for Congress. Let's go congress. What are you waiting for? Unemployment Insurance Claims Brian is. I'm sure you saw twenty two million in the last four weeks kudlow. Speaking there on Fox News is frustration being voiced at the fact that the popular paycheck protection program is out of money in Congress's bickering over how to fund it once again. Texas Republican Governor Greg. Abbott believes the economy in Texas can start opening again in the near future. 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Live with Bryan Alvarez and Mike Zimmer Vivey on the sports byline Broadcasting Network elvers and Jim Valley here Wrestling Observer Alive Jim or you have to set you up with some sort of video like we got everybody else. Bnb doing these remote for a while. The the twitch audience dying to see all of these shirts and everything that you're wearing today. Yeah I even before we got figure four and wrestling observer hooked up the twitch when I did that video game show talking with the best wrestling video games. There's people on twitter who wanted me to get on twitch like play the wrestling video games. I'm pretty terrible so I don't know if I'm going to do that but we'll see what happens with this twitch. It's kind of exciting. Well we can take some phone calls here today. One eight hundred eight seven eight play one eight hundred eight seven eight seven five. Two nine in the final segment of the show Chris. Dickinson is going to join us. You probably have heard his name. A thousand times seem to the filthy. Tom Lawlor shells. So that should be a lot of fun for the second straight week. Annex T beat out. Aws Dynamite in terms of total viewers but lost in the eighteen to forty nine demo. Exactly the same thing as happened last week. Eighteen to forty nine and did not chart a w did boat when we got the numbers and x t one in the viewership by a small margin and a C. Average six hundred and nine hundred thousand viewers on USA and Wednesday night which was down. Two thousand from last week's show fell to fifty eighth in eighteen. Forty Nine on cable with a point one seven rating down ten point five percent. That is not good for straight week. The show has missed the top fifty in eighteen to forty nine dynamite average six eighty three down one percent from the previous week also fell eighteen to forty nine point two five rating down at three percent from last week. Twenty ninth overall on cable in that demo so it did move up in the demos. Compared to last week factoring out the news programming that dominated the rankings. Awa would have finished tenth. Eighteen to forty nine. Annex t would have finished seventeenth. So I'll say this again. And X T was fifty eighth. But if you take out the news shows they're all the way up to seventeenth so if you're wondering what people are watching whether or not watching empty arena wrestling. Well the answer. Is there watching the news? And we've not seen dvr numbers in a while but my guess would be that the dvr numbers for both annex. T and W are probably up quite a bit because everybody's watching. The News live and likely watching their wrestling later. The total Wednesday audience one point three seven five million viewers down one percent from last week. Second lowest overall total since both shows started airing in October. Still it is a it is a decline but in terms of the viewership of both shows put together is not that big a decline. I mean we're talking about one point four to about one point six which was the average so about two hundred thousand people. Every week are are watching news over wrestling and hopefully a lot of those people are watching wrestling on at dvr. I liked both of those shows on Wednesday that they were good shows and my big hope is that when everything starts to turn around which could be a while could be a long time before we see fans and buildings again but when that happens I hope that wrestling bounces back. Any thoughts on this. Jim Have you seen Kengo Mega tweet today? I DID NOT. I got a picture of Michael. Nakazawa oiling himself down. Maybe from the cruise. Perhaps I'd say ladies and Gentlemen I proudly presented to you. You're a true ratings war champion and he goes on and says get Mad Tag Tony Tag. Tnt TAG me. The numbers don't lie so you must have done the highest quarter hour. Yeah wow well there you go there you go so we've also got a couple of notes. Dana white is everybody is well aware when all of this all of this went down they know white announced he was going to. I guess purchase an island and he was going to build an arena and he was gonna fly over an octagon. It was going to be an international waters so he would be able to get people from wherever all around the world. I don't understand the details of his plan because there's a travel ban. It's not like you can say hey cubby but you know. I'll drop the try the private jet outside your front door at three o'clock this afternoon. Just be ready to hop on it. It's not that easy but yet all of these ideas for fight island then it turns out that Florida opens up and now it appears that they were gonna be able to run in Las Vegas Empty Arena shows in Las Vegas starting in. May so there's no need for fight island. They can run in Florida. They can run in Las. Vegas doesn't appear to be a problem. However they're all in turns out. Today this from enemy fighting you have see has filed for a series of trademarks with the US patent and Trademark Office for Fight Island and UFC fight island. So basically there's GonNa be a fight Eylandt even if everything opens back up again. I think this is just one of Danish things. He wants to have a fight island. He wants to market around this fight island. He was to run shows on this fight island. I guess his special shows I mean. I guess if you know there's a hospital available and there's the ability to everything you do on the mainland here on this island in the middle of the Pacific I guess. Go for it but man even with everything opening up. He's going full bore into this fight. Island fight island. Sounds to me like something. Tina fey would write on thirty rock that that would be some reality show. That's happening behind the scenes on a comedy that you'd watch on television. I can't get my head around around fight. Island have not talked to Chris. Pratt or Jeff Goldblum about these things. I thought we've got a lot of movies about why these million movies about about fight islands. Yeah we should not should not do this. Will the bachelor also go on Fight Islands? You get a rose. How does this a lot of exciting ways? The idea of fight island just the sound of it and the optics are baffling to me. But one thing to keep in mind with Las Vegas. Is that the mayor of Las. Vegas has been pushing very very hard and very very vocally and publicly to open things up casinos and get things back to normal in Las Vegas. She's been really vocal about it. So one would think that you know she. Dana might be allies in this color. Text messages here. This person says you're wrong Brian. We need a fight island. I want some wild matches their like the original. You have see insanity well my friend as much as we would all like the original. Ufc insanity were never going to see that again. Fight Island will be called fight island. But it's going to be five five minute rounds for the main events. Three five minute rounds for the other matches referee's judge's Cornerman it will not be like you have C. One I hate to break it to you. We'll we'll johnny cage beyond filing. This sounds a lot like mortal combat. The movie this person just said Dana White's fight island literally the plot of Mortal Kombat. There you go there you go. It was announced today. The new stadium in Los Angeles were Wrestlemainia. Supposed to take places pushing back. Twenty twenty event to twenty twenty. One is from a text message here. Construction is slowed. Completion is now uncertain. Do you think W we should rethink L. A. or hope for the best. Well I was told yesterday that word around Los Angeles is it's looking like there's not going to be a Wrestlemainia in Los Angeles now. Obviously they're supposed to run in Florida. This year and the belief was that they would be returning to Florida in two years as a result of me doing Wrestlemainia L. A. None of this by the way. Don't report this as a fact. I'm just telling you it's possible that Florida may get there. Make good this coming year and then Wrestlemainia will take place a year later now. Wwe So as soon as this new stadium is opened. There's to be a super bowl there and W E did not want to run in twenty twenty one. They wanted the super bowl to air first and then they would go in. Why well obviously so they can make up a number and claim that they outdrew the super bowl but the way things worked out. It looked like they were going to be going in twenty twenty one instead so I think w we would be happy to delayed till twenty twenty two and maybe Florida will be happy to get them back in. Twenty twenty one. None of this is confirmed. Everybody I'm just telling you that these are the things that I know and these are the things that I'm speculating. 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I can say right now. I have a question to maybe some other people have. Does this mean the youtube clips are going away? You will get all of your clips on Youtube and everything will still be archived on video too which is for live programming too which is for live programming everybody so observer live and maybe more to come but hey. Let's go to John in Memphis John. You're on the air what's going on. Where how you doing how you doing Brian and Mr Mr Valley? The great man like yourself is planning nice to talk to some personal class in intelligence and Youtube Ryan. So like I was saying I like. I'm about to say if this be worse in WWe history. And I thought about this out of a no I just got cut you off real quick anything involving death or murder. I mean the death of Owen. Hart Chris Benoit's killing himself in his family. If you WanNa talk about something non tragedy related then. This is way up there but there was a period of several years ago. I can't remember exactly when it was. But they cuts. They cut like ten percent of the workforce and it. Actually it is possible that when all is said and done they will have cut more than ten percent of their workforce. Here this is up there with one of the worst non tragedy days. Wes Web. Let me agree with you on that brand this. Let me put it into my in my sick twisted in my I never i. My I have friends and family members that have asked me so many questions about about what's been going on this week. They have they have no idea that Mr man is this. Is this bigger. Has this ego and I tell you and they doubted that he was a little crazy but he realized that he was and I was planning to them. Their informatics basically doesn't doesn't know anything besides bencher managed W. W. Dot hours crazy when I say something like that and I had to Spain damned history of the situations that has went through in the past twenty five years and they looked at them and they don't I never see a man that I can understand small businesses in other companies. That literally have to sit down as far as but when you have almost a you make a billion a year and you can keep their sports. Now she is is word for us. Ten percents boy for his. In in retrospect survive. I might say I might understand that but I I'm just. I'm just tired of seeing the same. Same Stupid Miss that. I have seen for the last twenty something years and somebody that is dead is out of touch with the RASMI pants. That's that's number one number two. I WanNa talk about the second most advertised person I've seen today. And that's my my my favorite Promoter saying I mean Dana White I have never seen a man that really out of basement man that really wants to have a fight is basically have cheesy nineteen eighties. Nineteen nineties movie in real life. I've seen some other situations like I wish there I've heard of but why is it is it is it. More of the capital is more of. They weren't to have context so he don't WANNA lose their contract. I'm talking about for both of them. Well this John We gotta we gotta get going here. We gotta get going girl okay. So so let's figure it's called fight island. It's called fight island all right but it's not like they're gonna be fighting on the beach right. There's going to be an arena. There there's GonNa be there's GonNa be a ring there. It is weird because like fight island idea. Fight Island came about when they're doing empty arena shows. So I mean I don't think fans are GONNA be flying to this island to watch the shows. It's going to be like what every now and then he wants to run an empty arena. Show and fight island is going to be like all the big grudge matches are going to be at fight island so you can run your biggest shows in front of no fans. I. I don't understand what's going on here like what's he doing. It's just. He likes the idea of fight island. He likes the idea that people can go there. Entrain and stay on the island so I mean there's going to be facilities of some sort there I mean it. It must not be like a band or not an abandoned but like what would be the word like just an island in the middle of nowhere with nobody on it. What's the Word Jim? What do you call nylon like that? I believe the term you're looking for is evil. Fortress Fortress of solitude whatever but anyway L. What's going on here? I don't have sharks with fricking laser. Beams it's amazing that these ideas have come out and this will go underneath. Radars remarkable. I can't even say deserted island. That's probably what I was looking for at least for seats uninhabited. That's what I'm looking for. It's remarkable some. I don't know you'd think that the the infrastructure and the planning all of the effort would take a lot of money in capital investment for a fight island for a proper fight island of course but I don't you think that'd be. There'd be more affordable options that number one move in this economy right now would not be fight island. Well Hey they gotta run shows. I mean maybe you know what you know what it could be look at US trying to figure out what this crazy is thinking about. It could be okay. That fight island is his backup. Okay because like things against slowly opened up again but you know that everyone's going stir crazy and as soon as everything opens up a little bit like some people not everybody. The Smart People won't but the stupid people they're gonNA go hog wild and there's very likely going to be a second wave. There is a there was a second wave with the Spanish flu. There's been a second wave and other countries that have opened up. We're probably going to see a second wave. So maybe his idea is well. Things are opening up. So I'll run in Florida or I'll run in Vegas but if it hits the fan again and there's a second wave and everything shuts down all at fight island. That actually could be the plan like it's back up in case there's a second or third wave or whatever or another horrible thing that happens. Maybe that's what's going on here. Because he is contracted to do X. number of shows or they're going to take a financial hit and you've seen does not. They cannot afford a financial hit based on the the outstanding debt that they that they carry so he needs to run shows. I can appreciate that. I appreciate his financial pressures and Dana. White is up in an atmosphere that you and I probably everybody else. Listening could only imagine. I'm same thing with Vince. Mcmahon but at the same time while nobody was able to fully anticipate the scope of what we are experiencing right now it is still their responsibilities to be stewards of their businesses. And their money. You know nobody told them of parent company to run a business You know with this kind of cash flow or lack of cash flow. Nobody said Vince McMahon. You gotTa go do this. Xfl You've got to spend all of this capital in time and effort and money and then lay everybody off immediately and then still make a huge profit. Nobody said this You know they always say they should that you're a business owner. I've seen it with small businesses that I've worked closely with you. Know they take a lot of the risk and I think that maybe we reach a certain level of wealth. Perhaps security and the rules are different. And that risk is minimized and perhaps transferred from the top. Down to the bottom spurs as. I've been a hardcore fan for thirty ish years. This is the first week I've not really cared to follow. Any wrestling shows other than finally skipping through a w today after listening to last night's. Brian Vinnie show. I can see a lot of people giving up on rustling through this pandemic. I'm not sure they'll come back when the crowds do. I've been worried about that for a long time. That's why get mad when people say not worry about the ratings. I mean these ratings matter I mean the the raw number I mean. This run number is is not good and AWS INEX- tear down and granted. You know I don't know what the INEX- expectations were. Aws expectations were five hundred thousand before there was a pandemic and they greatly exceeded that. That's why signed a new television deal but they sent a new television deal with numbers. Were better now. Numbers are down. I don't know how long does this last you know. The networks are hurting as well ad. Sales are down. Everything is down so I don't know you know it's it's a scary time. Somebody asked about rise. Is there any talk of Raw? Going to ours. Because the show drags. I've heard nothing about that but man listen if USA network is hurting and they're paying out all this big money to me. I mean maybe there will be an attempted to renegotiation. Hey listen we can't afford this. But Hey what have we pay you this in turn you drop the show two hours you know. I'm sure that W e they don't WanNa take that that monetary hit but if the if the alternative is we can't pay you. I mean maybe something would happen. There's a lot that people are not thinking about in terms of all of this like the the numbers are they are concerning especially with Adna. Ed numbers advice being down because a lot of people are watching less. Tv Now a lot of people are buying less ads and ads are what pays the USA networks And the T. and T.'s. And never and everything and that's how they pay the the wrestling shows so there's a lot to be concerned about here. 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For subscribers up at the wrestling observer DOT COM and Chris Dickson is us here today. Chris how you doing. I'm good. How are you very very good so I gotta start off by saying we can't swear on the show and there's reason I bring this up and I bring this up because the last time I saw you was it? American Ron and you cut an amazing promo a very heartfelt promo and without the profanity portion of it. I want you to kind of tell everybody a little bit about it. Are you talking about before the show Yes when we had the Locker Room. He s very passionate. Yeah no okay That's actually and there's actually a story behind it to you. Want to hear the real story. Yeah go for it okay so when I got to the building. Obviously you know. Listen I'm getting Sakamoto's like he's one of my best friends now. I never working before that point. And also those guys have their own agenda given to them by the office of Big Japan wrestling and keep Petar another good friend of mine but like we just had to get through like told me that he wasn't GonNa lose and the the booker was supposed to lose. It became like kind of one of those things like well. We have to call the office and talk to them and all that real old school wrestling. 'cause I thought it was so cool but I was like fuck. Excuse me I was the other. There's going to be a pain in the butt and And and we had the locker room meeting. I wasn't sure I was gonNA say something but I wanted second moto to maybe understand how important to show was or at least wanted them to understand how important the show was. So maybe they would understand. Wh- what we I kinda built get into it and I don't know I just was pumped up and I felt like talking and I started crying because I just realized that we were going to have a big stone and literally. It's funny we've been doing beyond wrestling since literally wrestled in front of note one so I was pretty pumped about it and I wanted them wanted everybody to understand how serious to show was and how much it meant. You know somebody like me and so I definitely someone like drew was been involved in working real hard to build the company into what to wear that now so I think that's what that's really what it was about. You know more so anything. I also had to convince Second Moto and keep Atari like. Yeah this is. This is how we have to do this. You know what I mean. Now you've been around forever and you're not that old so you would have been kind of can properly do the math here but in your teens when you debuted or or how old were you. Okay the real truth is I started going to the wrestling training when I was fifteen years. Old Fifteen hundred. Jersey Jersey all pro wrestling school. I'm should remember Jersey Opera. Oh yeah okay so I started going to the Jersey. School which was at the time was like a really good place. There's a Lotta guys that came out of the guys that didn't get super third. Jay Lethal was a student there. There's lot of talent that came out of there and And I was lucky that I got to start there so my fundamentals were like solid stuff throughout high school and I did a couple of shows like when I was sixteen seventeen years old like around New Jersey and just messing around. I wasn't good but I could get enough to have like a a passable match like a really small show but I was like I turned seventeen and I got. I play music so I was also. I was in high school at girlfriend so I just living life and hanging out and doing stuff and I didn't get back into wanting to be a wrestler until I was like nineteen years old so then I kind of went back to training so like finish myself and learn how to how to actually work because I started training with weeds. He was he was running a training school at the time. And I was lucky that I was near and I could go and this is somebody I could. I could definitely learn from so I went to trade with him and he told me he was. Like you know you've got the moves you have the the fundamentals your athletic and all this stuff Blah Blah Blah. But you gotTa to put matches together and that's one thing. I never learned when I was in high. School is really understanding how to put matches together so he taught me. He gave me like honestly. Although the tools I needed to learn over the years of wrestling how to put together a matching how to tell a story and that he really helped me allow that so I technically been in and around independent wrestling's that was fifteen years old. So it's been about. It's been about maybe about seventeen years. I've been around it. You know I look at it. Some of the stuff that you've done you've been all over the place for independent wrestling and you've you've wrestled. I don't want to say everybody but I mean it seems like you've wrestled virtually everybody and a lot of these names. Everyone from Johnny Gargano Lindsey Dorato on and on. They've they've moved up. And you know we know how great Johnny Gargano Whiz and Lindsey Dorado and these other guys but are their names out there that you feel that have never really gotten at big break but to you. They're just they blow your mind with how good they are. That like. Never got a big break in. What sense like they didn't make it? W W eight as far as like never never going to me or or national television. How about that? He was on he was on the Lucianne underground. So I I I count national television but I do feel like adblocker. Somebody that would have probably flourished in the WWE. And I in that you know. Obviously maybe because of what he that if it's The the the the porn video or whatever is a shame that that guy if he wanted I believe at one point. He really wanted that to happen and He was all optimistic and and and I think he would be great. You know and I mean I mean look at look at the stuff that people are exempt for now. Just because it's a couple of years later you know and I don't think anybody should judge him for it. I think he was somebody who definitely a been A. Wwe Top guy a are Fox There's a Lotta guys out there. That are good guys. Oh really good and I think honestly they even get taken a little too fast sometimes to go to WWe before they could really really hit their stride. Like you know one thing that really impresses me the most about Of course you know. You can't say enough good things about someone like Samoa Joe or AJ styles or Bryan Danielson even like these guys. -CCOMPLISH so much and did so much long before they even Wednesdays. W W you got like their legacy was so cemented already that it's almost like. Ww is just going to to their retirement land. You know but and then look at what all those guys so good at wrestling. All those guys are amazing and they spent so much time building up to the point. Where they're they're they're all top it pretty immediately in all different respective positions. Like you know so. That's kind of something. I really like like to see a lot. Is Guys that really? Stick it out like that. Those guys are are leaders of a whole generation of India wrestling But the real generation of wrestling and they were able to do that. You know. Who's better than Samoa? Joe Like he like I. I wrestled him and what I think is last night. It's on the Indian the next night dave raw for now. We have filthy. Tom Lawlor that does shows for us every weekend. The end of the show. I say what are you got coming up? And he he lives. He lives off his upcoming matches. And it feels like fifty percent of the show. We've done upcoming matches have included matches with Chris Dickinson involved so it feels like you guys have Russell a thousand times over the last year. What are your thoughts on filthy? Oh they'll be great. You know we did this thing a couple of weeks ago. Where watched along the entire season of uncharted territory matches with like a group of fans of the chat low and everybody talked and whatever and the match with Tom and I was like. Oh my God was was great. I mean you know I'm not I don't go out of my way. I'm not gonNa tell you every match that happens to Greg? Greatest like mashes legitimately fun to watch out who killing each other. But it was great and he. I didn't. Tom Is tremendous. I wrestled Tom after a couple of months after he kinda got into business. Not that it wasn't like it out long but he just kind of really started getting around wrestling and in the time from that which was probably in two thousand seventeen. I'll say told. I wrestled him. What the spring of two thousand nineteen or something or around the early summer of Nineteen? I mean he's become a tremendous wrestler. I mean he's really good now. Obviously one of the reasons you're on the show today has because Corona viruses shut everything down and looking at the number of dates you've worked in shows such. I mean this had to have been a big hit. What is your life like since all of this happened? How many shows if you missed out on. Oh my God. Well I mean I kinda described before and In another interview and I'll be honest. I can tell you right off. The bathroom was the first week of of the whole cancellations. 'cause I took two weeks off in March because I had so many wrestling matches at the end of the month and going into April. 'cause I was going to go to hell and wrestle in Mexico and then come home and then go to the UK and then from the UK go right to Tampa and then wrestle nine shows. So I was like are all save it. All for the end of the month can just that whole week weekend week loan. I loved I. You know close like if you can't really count merchandise and I gave myself a low estimate of how much I'd make per show even if I sold every show. I added them like merchandise plus on my booking fees. I probably close to nine thousand dollars now. Gosh that's a lot of money. Okay like Ireland. I don't I don't worry about talking about money and stuff on the Indians and people don't believe that you could make money. Doing it absolutely can make money doing it. You know it just depends on how long you've been doing it if you're if you couldn't go. Chieh and I had a really. I was doing really well and that was a huge blow so I've already got money saved up from the last couple of months because I've been wrestling so damn much and it's like okay. Thank God I did that and I saved money because I never was that good at saving money and I started getting teeth at it and go. Now what have we do really legitimately cut so it sucks. It sucks but you know when the time comes to do what I have to do it. Just spend money that you've saved up but then there's obviously a reason. Why did that you know you know it's it's I mean you're absolutely right that you know that you know this as well as anybody because you've been doing this for so long that there was a time where you couldn't make a lot of money independent wrestling and now that has changed and I guess tell us a little bit from your perspective? Like how long was it? When did you see that big change? Where any wrestling went from something where you know you do it. In the hopes you'll get a contract that actually pays well somewhere and the point where we are now. Where if you get enough bookings I mean you can make a good living on the indies. I used to do the Mass Mason. I know how to do. I've masonry so I used to work and I used to be on the job and I used to drive to like you. Know an excavator a backhoe or something and I would be doing the math in my head of how much I had to do and how much I had to ask for it. How many more shirt that would constantly think about it over and over again and I'd be like if I just wrestled many more times a month if I just got this much more money and and I would start with planning how it was gonNA work because I didn't want to work anymore like I was born to work and wrestling and it was going to school at one point off the same time. It's just it was very stressful. Had to figure out a way and then you realize like okay this person's paying me this amount and this personal paying probably paying that amount of money to this like someone like me single live on my own. I. I don't have kids. I don't have a wife crazy belts you know. My car is paid off my mighty but everything else. I think you know basic living because I have to ask for all right. We'll stand by. 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The floor is yours. You could also follow me on instagram. Like instagram Watt born. Dirty Dirty Yeah if you WANNA if you want merchandise you can contact me directly. I usually handle everything through pay pal. I do have a pro wrestling t store. You could check that out and Yeah pretty much. That's it. Thanks for having me on the show. Hey quickly throughout some matches people should check out if they have independent wrestling dot TV. Oh you should watch everything from the last two seasons of uncharted territory. A lot had a lot of a lot of real knock down drag out longer singles matches in the first season with a lot of really good restaurants. I would definitely go the first season of uncharted territory. And of course it is Beyond wrestling uncharted territory. Independent wrestling DOT TV. Give Promo Code. I think that God sex God everybody is your Promo Code. I don't know that might be a check it out on independent wrestling. Tv everybody there you go dirty Dickinson Dirty Dickinson. Everybody on twitter. Hey Chris I wanNA thank you so much in the show today and best of luck with everything and hopefully we can talk to you soon with things back up running again. You're welcome. Thank you very much. I really appreciate it and of course. Thanks everybody for listening. We are totally at a time today. WanNa thank all of you listening on sports byline all of you watching on twitch. Dot TV of course callers and listeners. Scott everybody to studio we'll talk again next time wrestling observer live. You're listening to the Heartland News Radio Network Broadcasting. Live twenty percent now her. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and INSTAGRAM's service newscast for Friday April the seventeenth twenty twenty. I'm Mike Clifford. 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Morning Jackson Beverly Hills Rochester's just entering the kitchen to prepare. Jack's breakfast still sleepy. I better get Mr Benn's breakfast started. The first thing to do is like the gas. Well now. The Room is lit up. I turn on the stove short sentimental. We have electricity in the house. But we're not using this week out of respect for Frank Remedies did ogle stove. I've got his orange juice in the refrigerator. The coffee is on. What else should I make the boys all? Yes last night. He told me that for breakfast. He wanted dollar signs Pam case. I don't mind making the pancakes but it's so much trouble putting the pluribus unum on riddles. Hot slow four on the better. I forgot to take the coverall Polish gays. The moderate party the field today stomach is dealer upset job so I can get the hot water bottle out Monday off my baby. My baby no poly just because it's warm doesn't mean as a say the boss dollar-sized pancakes with just about ready wholesale deal polly lift your head up. Look Brown remember you polling for the Eagle on him. Well everything will be very few minutes. Coming was the MILKMAN morning Rochester. How much milk this morning? And how much cream? Four points and let's see that's twelve quarts of milk and four pints agree rope. Well give them to me. That's a great cow. Mr Benny has sure is wait. A minute I'll get the stuff out of the refrigerator. Goya you know Rochester. It's against the city. Ordinance to keep our cow in Beverly Hills. Well how does Mr Benny get away with it? He painted starts all told. Everybody was a pet zebra. See You tomorrow now see better carry Mister baileys breakfasts up to have? I got everything on the tray. I wonder if I should bring him the morning paper. Not GonNa take a look at it. I I can take it to. The stock market is up again. Never forget the day. The market crashed in nineteen twenty. Nine Mr could is through but luckily I swallowed Jordan Day with the boss. That was the time is here to turn grease even the one of the cleaners the morning Rochester. Boss you're up and dressed already got up a little early this morning here. You say this looks real good Rochester. Oh look at those pancakes. What's wrong no date on them a little careful? I don't WanNa one draft before Japan. Oh Stop I want my food to look appetizing. That's all they are delicious. Though sleep last night fine Rochester. And what a dream I had I dreamt I was shipwrecked on a desert island. Eli Turn the page and on this island on this island with nothing but girls hundreds of the most beautiful girl you've ever seen. What a dream. I had formed a circle and they dance around me and made me their king then night came what happened. Suddenly assigned flashed on saying. Please stand by our pictures. Been temporarily interrupted. I don't know when I have dreams about cowboys. I always finish them. Oh well this. This coffee is delicious new instant Kobe. Instant Coffee Mr Komatsu on his windowsill. The cool and it was gone in an instant Rochester. You shouldn't have done that by the way. How's Paulie feeling this morning? Same last night as stomachs dilip said. Why don't you give her an Alka Seltzer? Try that but the bubbles keep offer birch. Just give her another hot water bottle. That usually fix her up. You can take the trae Rochester. There's really a very good breakfast. Shut up you're stupid zebra. Does she want to get kicked out. Beverly Hills Rochester. Sometimes I know you take the dishes back to the kitchen. I'll go to the door when I'm worried and I can't sleep. I count my money instead. I Fall Asleep counting. My mom does the good afternoon. Michelle Benin professor blank. I didn't expect you. I didn't know I was supposed to take a violin lesson today. You are not a came over to talk to you certainly professor. What is it sure? Benny to play. First Violin for the Los Angeles Film Orchiston. Oh that's wonderful professor. Is there anything I can do to help you? Don't tell anyone ever gave you violin less wrong. Well in other words you want me to give you character. References just. Lmu Don't Know Me Thong. But Professor Le Blanc a word for me might be very helpful after all. I am a big star. Michelle Benin in comedy circles. You are conceivable. One of the biggest left ghettos in the contrary. Unfortunately you're considered the same in music. Well at least wish you luck thinking Shumba knee. When will you give me my next lesson? Giving you a normal violin lessons we finished well professional blank. I guess this is goodbye. We need justice. Professor are associated has been such a long one and now it seems to be terminating so I'd like to give you this. Extra money is a little bonus. No thank you Meshu. I'd like to remember you just the way you You talked me into it. Goodbye Goodbye. Michelle needing key. I haven't practiced my violin and months. Well I got nothing to do today. Maybe auto start right now or Rochester. Yes I'm GonNa do a little practice and get me my violin. Your boss is broken broken. Yes did not tell you. Last time you went out on personal appearances you central back in your trunk and when I went back found it was smashed. My violence mass. Yes Sir Broken bits. You'll never be able to play it again while the express company will have to pay for it. It'll be glad to never mind. Not only will the express company paper so will the Insurance Company. What it means well. Don't you remember when I told my agent? I was going to play on my personal appearance tour. He suggested I take out accident insurance. How my violin? Nobody else that was on you on me. Yeah don't you remember the Blue Cross turned over to the Red Cross and the Red Cross declared you a potential disaster be fixed right away I want to get. Shall I know you take care of my violin? I'll answer Oh hello don. Oh Jack Hello Fellows in heaven. It's going to be busy the rest of the week. So can you listen to the commercial now? Sure Don sure come on in the Dan. Would you like a couple of Coleman? I mean coffee. How about you fella? All they have much time Jackson. We'll have to get right into the commercial and I'm in a hurry to how come I got to go to the doctor and have some x rays taken x Ray. What's bad you see coming over here just now and across sunset boulevard. The traffic was very heavy. And I think I swallowed a name. G per second April Seventeenth Nineteen fifty-five Jack. Benny on the Friday edition of Classic Radio Theater. Hey Son you want to go throw the ball around. No thanks dad when I grow up. I'm going to be a snack. Legal not an athlete. Okay how do you snack? Leads bond with their father. They go to quick trip and get snack like cliff bars or power age or warm bar. It sounds like you're making this up so I'll buy you a snack. Mom Dutch crushing my dreams again. Don't crash our child's dreams. Don't worry dad. We can throw the cliff bars around when it's time to review it's time for us mackel. Qt More than a gestation. Hey Son you want to go throw the ball around. No thanks dad. When I grow up I'm going to be a snack was not an athlete. Okay how do you snack? Leads bond with their father. They go to quit trip and get snack cliff bars or power age or warm bar. It sounds like you're making this up so I'll buy you a snack. Mom Dutch crushing my dreams again. Eight don't crush our child's dreams. Don't worry dad. We can throw the cliff bars around when it's time to refuel. It's time for US Michael. Qt More than a gestation we encourage you to participate in the Gift Card Challenge these days. 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They're important here family yourself and your community and you're listening to your class. Radio Theater on your favorite station episode of the Jack Benny Program April Seventeenth. Nineteen fifty five in the newspapers of that Sunday. Sixty five years ago. These were some of the headline. Supreme Court heard something from southern states. Last week sounded a lot like an ultimatum. Douglas Cornell for Associated Press writing the court orders are or an immediate end to segregation of white and Negro school children. They said then there won't be any public schools in some states. Lawyers representing Negroes in the federal government. Took that position. It was pretty much scare talk and when it comes to a showdown. There won't be as much trouble as some people predict over. Putting into effect the Supreme Court's decision that segregated schools violate the constitution. President Truman accused the Eisenhower Administration last night. A political fraud and trickery in the field of foreign policy and from my Stevenson came to call the Democrats stand for peace. Which is the most urgent business of the Twentieth Century? A hydrogen age the former president and the nine fifty two contenders spoke at a huge one. Hundred dollar a plate banquet in Washington Honoring House Speaker. Sam Rayburn the beloved. Mr Sam of Legions Democrat Dr. Jonas Salk came home to Pittsburgh yesterday with a vow to work for one hundred percent effectiveness of the Anti Polio vaccine which bears his name reported. Ann Arbor indicates the vaccine is a at eighty to ninety percent effective according to Dr Sulky told me he's been on his arrival. Now we'll try to prevent in those are some of the day's top news. Stories is reported in the newspapers of Sunday April Seventeenth. Nineteen fifty five on your radio. The Jack many program which continues now on Classic Radio Theater with Don Wilson saying rarely see coming over here Justin Island across sunset boulevard. The traffic was very heavy. And I think I swallowed a name g all right all right. I'll go along with your little. Joe You can go to the doctor and have your x rays. I'm sure if you swallow them. Gee It must be causing you. Quite a bit of pain That's not why it's worrying me Jack. What I WANNA find out if there was anyone in it down. That's as far as I can. Go with your little fat whimsey say before I run along just thinking if you're not doing anything maybe we can play some golf afternoon. I'm sorry I've got a date. You see Dennis Day and I are going out on a picnic just the two of you know all we're going with a couple of girls often enjoy yourself. Jacks along. Say Look what time? It is a Rochester. Yesterday's debate the Dennis Day Cau- Yesterday he's got a call and he won't be able to go on the picnic with you. How do you like that and I made a date with these two girls? I don't know what to do. And who can that Made Jack? Hey Bob Bob Hole. Good to see you bob. Come on in okay but tell me when twelve minutes are up our put a penny in your parking meter. No worry. I'll validate your ticket on in gets Nice. Drop in on me like this Bob. Well this isn't exactly a social visit. I mean you have some business to discuss with me Jack. I came over here about several big business deals. What are they well? I'd like you for a guest star on my television show. Also my radio show. I want you to play a part in my next picture and I need three-quarter Zebra milk. I appreciate your thinking of me so you want me to a picture with a jacket. That's GonNa very exciting when you and I play the part of two oil prospectors down in Texas. Say that sounds good. Tell me something about other people down there really as rich as we keep hearing about all they sure aren't fact. Texas is the only place in the world where they send care packages the Beverly Hills hair packages Beverly Hills. True down there. Howard Hughes's declared a vagrant by the way Bob Bob. I meant to tell you I read your book. Your new book have. Tux will travel era or three fifty for the cloth covering dollar for the paper. But your regular bookstore. How'd you like what I wrote about? You Jack. All it was very nice. Bob But I felt that you could have devoted more space to me in your book. Considering the fact that I'm responsible for your success and pictures are you responsible for my success. Factors well if I hadn't been so lousy. You wouldn't have gotten any feel better. No but I wanNA tell you your shouldn't talk that way about Yourself Jack. I think you're great and pictures. In fact I think you're great and everything you do really Bob. Yes and that's just my opinion. It's also the opinion of your writers who wrote the script. Now wait a minute Bob. My writers are very limits to bury all homers to hope. Hello Rochester. You WanNa see me by something. Rochester the male just came anything important. Just some circular some bills and a care package from Houston. But I thought you're kidding. Mr Is everything what I'll be in the kitchen. Okay Hey now jack getting back to the picture do you want to be in it with me I guess. So what is it going to be called the road to Dallas and wait a minute you make all Euroleague pictures with Bing Crosby? How come he's not going to be in this one? Well as I told you it's going to be made in Texas and brings a little sensitive around by Texas's they turn them down. Turn them down for what you wanted to buy. I know I know that being is loaded. I mean he's got a lot of how could how could anyone man by the State of Texas Gary's working now? Oh yes I forgot. Ok Bob deal good well. I guess I'll be running along the long Bob was nice. Hey wait a minute bob. You can do me a big favor. If you're not doing anything this afternoon not doing anything. I have a radio rehearsal. I have a script conference for my TV show. I have to go to a bookstore and autographed copies of Tux will travel. I have to be interviewed for a fan magazine. I have costumes fittings for my picture off. It's a shame you're so busy Bob you see. I have a date with to pick them up at their apartment now. We're we're late now so I'll call the girls and tell him that you're coming instead of Dennis days. Was that on the phone. May Mr Ben Gear Truth. Dennis Day can't come with the sound picnic not too bad though he's bringing Bob Hope. Instead what are you talking about? Well I know a girl who's been out with Bob a couple of times and she complained about that knows of his. Some knows he's got abetted can be very economical with Bob. A girl can get kissed and have her ears pierced at the curb. Still Rather Kiss Bob than here. I kissed him once in awful. What's wrong with kissing fanny were with? His is in those thick glasses. You feel like you're studying a blue bottle fly under a mike now. Something you're right come on. Let's finish wrapping the sandwiches. Okay Hi how come? You're marking prices on the sandwich. Well if we have any leftover jack takes them home and put them in his machine guy. They had the launches over. I'm kind of excited about this day. How do I look? Okay the seams in my stocking. Stray vest one is and this one is but this one is trying to be funny. Okay I'm sobbing when we go on the picnic. How are we gonNA payroll who I guess Bob and I should be with each other? Because we're the youngest remain. You're the youngest. Well I'm younger than you would. Bob Is younger than you. Uk talking like that Mabel. Then I'll tell everybody about your first husband. Oh no you. Oh yes. I will miss his John Wilkes booth. Let's tap arguing was supposed to wait in front of the house. Okay I'm ready. We got a real nice day for the picnic. Oh I gotta go back in why I forgot the open for the canned beer down by with hopes knows we won't nate. They come down the block to the my face and we'll get to the double date in the moment. Jack Benny with Bob. Hope from April Seventeenth Nineteen fifty five and yes. That's been a dare. I'm Wyatt got. You're listening to Classic Radio Theater on a Friday here on your favorite station. What'S THE EASIEST WAY TO EAT? A lot of fruits and vegetables balance of nature by simply removing the water and air balance of nature can take thirty one whole fruits and vegetables and put them into quick and easy to eat capsules with just three fruit capsules and three veggie capsules. You get the equivalent of over ten servings of fruits and vegetables every day. That's a lot of stored energy that your body will love so if you're looking for an easier way to get clean energy go to balance of nature dot com and order your bottles of sunshine today. 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C B Dot Org on our Saturday edition of Classic Radio Theatre will have Harold Peres. The Great Gildersleeve from seventy seven years ago today April Eighteenth nineteen forty three as guilty takes the family on a spring hike but right now the conclusion a- Ogden the Jack Benny Program from sixty five years ago today April seventeenth nine thousand nine hundred fifty five and the double dates about to get underway. Was Real. Nice here. Come on this date with me. Bob And Jack. The pleasures all mine. Oh look look there the girls. We have the date with those those those women. Don't look so disappointed. Bob Alad Mitt. They're not exactly chickens. Oh I don't know the tall one has feathers growing out of her neck. Bob Jackie Shirl. We're taking those two on a picnic. Yes why they look more like something. You'd find it a picnic apply. Please Act come on introduce you. Hello Mabel Gertrude. I'd I'd like you to meet a friend of mine. This is Bob Hope. Hello girls luggage getting late. Now let's get started for the picnic. Okay where's your car? The car's around the corner. But we're not using mine. We're in Bob's our isn't that swell. May this time we can ride up the hills to? Let's get going off. Hey let's rest. I'm getting tired. Okay there's a couple of Nice places where we can eat our food here under this career by that'll stream the tree fellers it safer why do you mean that? Say for Mabel. Well in case something start chasing us. We can climb the tree. What's GonNa Chase us all look at me come on? Let's not sit in the shade. Let's let's go out in the sun. I haven't got. That line is nice right near well. You can stay in the shade of you want to. I'm getting out in the Sun. Look at him he really wants to get a Sun. Tan is coach Sherrington. Hey what a guy. Benny as he goes on a picnic. Calabasas gets Asante then tells everybody's been shipwrecked on a desert island surrounded by one hundred girls what I've had that dream to with no interruptions all right. Come on. Let's have some fun. Let's go waiting in the street. What slow pokes you are? I'm the first one to get a shoes and socks all. Hey Maple look look what funny fee has only five tone? Let's get in the water. Wow this water is cold. Yeah and the Rock is so they hurt you feed. It doesn't bother me a bit across. It doesn't hurt your thank. You still got your shoes on. Doesn't want to take them off. Your wet is money. Stop Kidding look at that frog. Yeah there he goes. Let's cat to okay quiet. Now look if you WANNA catch him you better way to go bogus Taylor BIG FROG. It used to be a cow. This is silly I'm getting out of ood. I'm slipping help. I can't swim. I can't swim try. Standing water is only three inches deep. Come on help me a fire. I'm getting a chill okay. But I haven't gotten any matching I haven't gotten me. I haven't got an e how we start the fire. Why don't you try rubbing your legs together? Why don't you forget you Canadian? Everybody else has. Can you imagine being knifelike that doing a benefit should never come over to this network without taking shots loved? You has all I have kid. I have my cigarette lighter here. I'll start that's better. Let's see we can start with sandwiches while the Windsor Roasting Gee this beer is good and cold. Seem able. I told you we didn't need a can opener. Don't Miss Crosby Sandwiches Please Jack. Thank now. Let's all enjoy ourselves. Beautiful Sunny Day for optic nick. That's right hey you know jackets funny. What is well here? We are two comedians between us. We must have told millions of jokes about how it rains in California when it really does. Yeah but our listeners. Know that it's all in fun. Anyone who has ever been here knows. It never rains in California but did rain. We'll be funny by telling all the jokes ask the basic humor. The whole thing chicken sandwich may so alive. You Know Jack. We should thank our lucky stars that we live in California country. Well it's about time we started back. Can we go get in the car? Now let's wait here until the floats by we're downhill okay. Very few programs have a silencer. Bob I wanNA thank you very much for appearing on my shoulder you know. Welcome Jack and don't forget. You promised to mention my picture. Oh Yes ladies and Gentlemen Bob. Hope can currently be seen in the seven little boys he also makes a personal appearance tonight and Chicago Illinois and Gander Newfoundland Tomorrow night in Singapore and Guam and the following night and Casablanca and Pomona. However I can be seen tonight on television over the CBS network have talks world travel. Good Night Bob. Knight Folks Oh I'm sorry. Good night mail there. You Go Jack. Benny with his gas. Bob Hope from April Seventeenth Nineteen fifty five sixty five years ago on Classic Radio Theatre Visit. Our web page classic Radio Dot Stream where you can stream are programs on demand. Learn more about classic radio collecting and contact me. 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Buxton the New Hampshire state long term care ombudsman notes that overall the grant state is preventing the corona virus from spreading. We've been fortunate that his estate we have taken bold action early. We had that opportunity and we took it. We're not hearing of widespread constructions. She says she's also hearing of outbreaks that the majority of nursing homes. I'm Laura Ross. Tell reporting who helps your health. Officials claim the number of people hospitalized cove in nineteen has been stable for the past week or so and voting rights groups are praising the votes safe act of. Twenty twenty introduced in Congress. Thursday by California Senator Calvin Harris. The bill would set aside five billion dollars to expand voting by mail and early voting ahead of the November presidential election. Dr Matt with the UCLA. Voting Rights Project Says California already allows permanent. No excuse absentee voting and early voting. So it isn't out of the question for other states. 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Don't crush our child's dreams. Don't worry dad. We can throw the cliff bars around when it's time to refuel. It's time for US. Mekel more than a gas station. The USA radio network presents the greatest radio programs of all time. Ladies and gentlemen the story you're about to hear is true. Only the names have been changed to protect the innocent. Dragnet this is classic Radio Theatre. Thor's I was a communist lights out pretty fucking now. Here's your host why it talks. An episode of mutual program murder by experts as it was originally broadcast April Seventeenth nineteen fifty two Kim Diet as cheaply as one Experts the mutual broadcasting system presents murder by experts with your host and narrator the noted mystery writer redhanded. Dick halladay creator the world famous detective. Michael Shane author plenty of five novels. And whose latest work this is Michael. Shane has just been public. Good evening. This is Brett Halliday each week at this time. Murder by experts brings you a story of crime and mystery which has been chosen for your approval. I one of the world's leading detective story writers tonight. Our guest expert is noted mystery novelist Herald Q. Messer from his vast knowledge of the field mystery Mr Mercer with tongue in cheek as Joe's no light and fast moving comedy mystery but that very witty writer Milton Lewis and now present Lawson Zombie and Marilyn Erskine in two can die as cheaply as one names Duke Johnny Dupree. You'll find me listed in the classified phonebook under detective. If there's anything I hated violence especially to myself I've laid so many characters have showered me with blows that Susan. My slightly gorgeous wife has given up calling the eye and refers to me now as the black guy you have only to take that last case of mind to see what I mean. It all began beautiful spring day. Susan I was standing in front of our apartment house waiting for cap now in New York. That must be at least five thousand cabs and this one out of five thousand off actually miss that thirty fourth street and Fifth Avenue Right Johnny. What a lovely day. I don't see why we ever tolerate window. We can get days like this and for what some without a case last long will donald. I'm seriously thinking of quitting ragged crimewave loose in office city. I don't WanNa see anymore. Corpses I don't anymore beautiful murderesses throwing themselves at me. I don't WanNA jitterbug between bulleting happens once every year you'll get open at this time every weekend. GonNa get killed. Every week. I get constantly had two or three times like a bell. A rut any amount if I take fifth avenue not at all driver. And why do you want it? Once more chipper chicks and Fifth Avenue. One one must wait for a red light and by all means take v could tell you as a man after my own heart the minute. I lamb chair really. How did you know? He was fond of a chipper chicks on a JC. Madam I just senior up. Why thank you? What a lovely camp. You have driver's Ed. Hey believed in sunlight. Daytime what kind of I want to slide the roof bike like this. You can have sun beams at no extra cost food. You know sunlight's very helpful and also I'll also one out then ultra expensive out at them out now. What sold for about sunlight ultraviolet basic. 'cause you're not seeing as I have to give a lecture ten fifteen minutes. We heard about sunlight. Says that really your name cycling along with a name like that people think. It's very funny how I would've pushed like mind be a Tutsi get over that aside Mr Tootsie a we feel the heaven can wait. Won't you please take it easy? I am? It's their mother. Guys always get them one way but don't worry this caps falling apart. Anyway and avoid crash will be killed. That's now suffering setback and relax though Tony. Listen I don't fly I didn't hit trucks yet. Something sought me on the head. You got that kind of a wife to something. You can't do the open for the cab even when I'm not on occasion I'm not safe. This must be an envelope johnny. Darling look what's inside. It's an antique brace. Look at those stones we must be worth scans and scans mummy thinks like that. Ever Call my head. Hey alleged split with me. Happy happy you can give me my half in cash deadline silently. What can I do it half a bracelet check? Not you both know. This bracelet must be retired syllabi. He'll go perfectly with my new dress. It's how you ever find the owner name on this envelope. James Maxwell Importer. The address is one of the office buildings. We just passed all I can say. Is that anyone who throws a bracelet like this at a perfectly innocent doesn't deserve to get it back and besides I want short finders keepers losers weeping. That's right Jani. And into just say you were in Iraq I gotta deal with it retained. You'll probably find out it was stolen by some beautiful siren. Committed a half dozen people to get probably tried to murder me to get it back but she worked with a cutthroat accomplice. I'll have to arrest but I'm killed. See why he shouldn't give it back while you're dead already. Just because I'm your wife and I know what the kill is dead and if I return it spend this beautiful day bleeding in the strange apartments being mauled around getting kicked in the head having my teeth. Not Getting back into the same monotonous routine of mayhem and murder case. Don't you see why we should keep it? Yes Darling. I've made up my mind turnaround. What are we going to do? Why return it? If 'cause James Maxwell important that's the office try to make it. Snappy Darling remember took waiting downstairs in his care seems to be no one here would drive that inner office tally. Excuse me Michele we'd like to see Johnny what's the matter? She seemed to sleep at our dash. Susan think steady baby. She's been murdered two slugs in places where they count so. We should've kept countries that you'd only listened to open window in back of our faces a street she or the killer must have thrown it out there and it landed nightcap either of you hello you about exactly as I tell you get your brain. Your brain isn't large enough to hold. Let's Darling and what's your idea. I'll take that bracelet bracelet. What bracelet he wandered into the wrong place bracelet. You'll know India. He's obviously a home seidel. Maniac the crazy type. What's the racket now? I know why she was killed. I know who killed him and I know exactly what I'm going to do about it. He's a smart murderer. John he knows a lot. Oh take that gun. Away from Johnny's head you'll must his hair. I'm going to do more than Madame. I'm going to kill him now. Johnny took this nice right for an underdeveloped guy. Thanks Susan are you all right. Hey yes they went wild. I've got his gun and the bracelet. It's luck you came in to get impatient down there. You shouldn't keep me waiting like that. You'LL RUN UP A FRIGHTFUL BILL O. Who's the dead? Dial Well No. Yeah D- You'll why get half the take Susan Baby? This guy's Mr James Maxwell he's coming out of it on my head get up maxwell explain it simply so my childish Mind Grasping. Why did you murder? Yes what do you know? I've got a gun gentleman now. You please tell a girl what this is all about. And play no tricks or you'll be covered in your own Gore. I told you should've stayed in bed with that bracelet. Who owns the female hit over the head with Ray I do? She's my wife. You'd better pick her up. Someone might step on there. Johnny blaming you hit. Maybe you'll be all right. Thank you blanche. You came just in time for old friends. Just who are you? I'm Johnny Duke. This is my wife Susan and this is CR. Taxi driver well. What's the payoff going to kill us again? I certainly am not going to hurt. Jimmy you kill that girl. We just wondering here. What are you doing just looking at this hat brag? Is this what you hit me with? Lange? Yes I heard you in here and I thought you were harming Jimmy if I heard you I'm terribly sorry dear. That's all right. I was just trying to figure out how you use the head rag. You must've swung it like that. I've got the gun back Johnny. Oh my brain's aching I heard you. I'm terribly sorry dear. That was lovely. You'd make a good female blanks. Thank you touchy and dragged him to Maxwell that's right now we'll go on where we left off killing maximum. I didn't I was with Blanche. All Day wasn't here right. He was at my place. What were you doing? We were playing ringler. Rounder Rosie in my living room dear. What's your full name? Blanche were be. Why did ever see this bracelet before I can tell you about that bracelet belonging to my partner William Baldwin? It's worth a fortune at least eighty thousand dollars. I told you we should've kept it whereas now I don't know you just spent six months ago and was never seen again. He had that bracelet with him. WHO's dead or she she's Miss Ruth Perkins my secretary. She evidently through bracelet out the window. How To get here? I haven't the faintest idea to Duke. I'm sorry I lost my head before. I thought you killed when I came in before I heard you talking about the bracelet. I thought you murdered. Forget it gave that Blissett route beckons knows what my partner is. This looks like quite a case one. We're going to let the police solve it all up dowling. We'll probably be tied up with them until evening. Goes I love day and that you teach you goodness next time. We get hit on the head with an eighty thousand dollar bracelet. You keep it. Police headquarters please. 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Don't make sense Let's not start talking about murders. I'm decided to seek at gentler profession. Oh that's why you won't take the case right now. We won't mention it again. We are you all means. We certainly shall not even whisper about it. You'd think James Maxwell killer no the gun we took away from Maxwell. Was it different caliber than the one that killed him? I think this talk about baseball slightly. The Brooklyn Dodgers Win. The World Series this year. What make sure I live in Brooklyn? Do you think William Baldwin was bumped off to the police thought also disappear. I think they were both killed there. There should be no identification. That secretaries Chris. I'm not lead me. Hey I believe that what you love and wiping distress. Yes in the kitchen. Come on all right. We tried to do anything to Susan. Susan Susan baby she did. Someone tried to garage here. I'm GonNa get this Kordofan. Hurry correct Susan. I don't know someone come through the delivery entrance. Help the quarter on my neck. And that's all I know. Georgie a gun in that old sugar for taking down delivery exit. I got it so much. Any shoes in your K- killing much better. Now Johnny worship. Anyone WanNa do a thing like that. I don't know I'm pretty sure it's got something to do with that Bracelet Johnny. Darling you better take this case in Salva before all bumped off what may all be to to annoying for jaded sleuth like you but it's better to be bored to death. Been murdered you when I thought I would. That's why to piece things are the dead girl's purse there to addresses on different sheets of paper ones. The address of one. Sampson Everest is the dead girl's home address. Ain't no sign of any. Jared is out there. You must have got away. I listen see. We're going to find this murderer and you're going to help us. I want you and Susan to visit one Samson Everest. I'm going to poke around with Perkins place else going to welcome to the solid comfort. Funeral Pilots Madame Samson Everest at your service Everest. I Mrs Johnny Duke. How do you do you have seen our advertisement for a bargain funerals? No doubt we're running a sale. You know is it for someone close to you. Your husband perhaps no in fact. We didn't know you were an undertaker at all. By the way this is too high Samson. How do you do sir? You remind me of very dear dear friend of mine. Yeah yes I buried him five years ago Whom do you wish to put the rest? Monsieur well no one exactly come come now surely you can think of someone a sale like this doesn't come along every day. Adeyemi now to be buried as cheaply as one. I just want to ask you a few questions. Do you know someone named Ruth Perkins she among the living or dead the dead. I've never buried anyone by that name today. Why would your name and address being her purse? Perhaps she knew she was going to be killed and wanted to get in on our bargain. Really misses joke. You should take advantage of this. It's truly a Cutthroat Sale. Just wanting to get the money for only seventy five dollars. You get a hearse. Fraiche lillies to limousines. And a plot in an exclusive cemetery. Yeah what kind of coughing all of beauty. So comfortable to lie upon. You'll never want to wake up. Excuse me take Mr Everest. Do you know anyone named William Baldwin. But of course dear Mr Baldwin one of my best customers or did you bury him but he ordered a tomb from me. I had built in the gay departure cemetery overlooking the loveliest little pond. It's really a gorgeous place to go when you're dead. I'm sure it is. But why did Mr Baldwin have built to rest in when he passed on? Mr Baldwin was a man of great foresight. In fact daughter was here only yesterday his daughter as a customer or a victim. Ot was quite alive. I think of course she was she talked to me. She wanted to know where her father's tomb was why she was going out there to inspect it a very devoted child. I must say she wanted everything to be just right for the day when our father would move in really weary is gay departure cemetery just out of town in Westchester commodity. That's where we're going just a minute. Mr Abreast just. What else do you get seventy five bucks to Pallbearers and Organ Music? A Granite Tombstone as smooth ride with. Professional. Chauffeurs is too high. Spent my dear man. All our hearses have white tires. That goes without saying a you interested here. I sure would like one of them at that price to the only trouble is I ain't dead. Well we all live in hope my friend the CEO last another week. Maybe you'll be able to take advantage of it but I doubt it. I never had any luck. Shall we move Susan? Long speed attuned to right near the pond appropriate dress Susan. Don't you think we should've told it can take a delegation? I didn't want to wake him up and decide. I don't think he committed to come here at this hour. Get Out your flesh tone. Rest William Baldwin. Shall I being the bell? He don't have someone forced open. The door think somebody's ghost is loose. You don't have to take your hat off to see. I've never been no terms before. Hey very cozy tenure flashlight on that proper cane conference open and it's being slept in. Yes there's a college class in on his best. Pick it up an NC admission name on the Beker William G Bowen Class. Nineteen to eight assists mall was murdered. Look at those two bullet holes. The killers sweet not only murdered his victim but puts him in this tomb jacket. I don't yes I do. Of course how big the bracelet was hidden in that jacket. Come onto the. We have to get out of your phone Johnny Bench. Wake them up. Inspector feral relieved flat foot. You added the Perkins Girls Place about finished now. How about James? Maxwell IS ALIBI ETTA. We'll what's blanche. Wait a second. There's there's someone in the hall can I inspector? I'll call you back Asia. I don't know someone in the shadows. Don't leave me put you on the bed and call Dr Dr. Do any good for conclusion of murder by experts to die as cheaply as one from April Seventeenth. Nineteen fifty comes up in four minutes. Thank you for tuning. Into Classic Radio Theater we incur case on. You want to throw the ball around. No thanks dad when I grow up. I'M GONNA be a snack Louis not an athlete. Okay how do you snack? Leads bond with their fathers. They go to quick trip and get snagged like cliff bars or power age or warm bar. Sounds like you're making this up so while snack. Oh Mom Dutch crushing my dreams again. Annie don't crush our child streams. Don't worry dad. We can throw the cliff bars around when it's time to refuel. It's time for us. Michael Qt more than against station. Hey Son you wanNA throw the ball around. No thanks dad when I grow up. I'm going to be a snack. Not An athlete okay. How do you snack leads? Bond with their father. Quick trip and get snack LD like cliff bars or power age or warm board. 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Yeah goodbye drinks tea all right. Thank you blanche can use one? What makes you think Jimmy and I were lying about being in this apartment when that girl was killed. I think Jimmy killed him but I told you I know you were playing ring around Rosie right here in my living room. Shall I show you how it's done more? Uh I've played it in my time. Not The way I played you either rose e I'll make the ring around with my arms like this. This is a new way of playing it and it some fun. You look startled naturally. I've never been a rosy before you didn't touch dream Steve Lange. Would you like a a new thrilling experience? A that's my hobby. What is it being murdered by you by James Maxwell? Your next list. He's trying to kill everyone. Who can prove him guilty. My wife Perkins Girl Helen. Baldwin next you. You've got a morbid imagination. What do you need is more rain around? The rose have you drunk I answered. Hello Blanche Jimmy come in look. Who's here on a do? When I'm glad to see maximum your lucky inspector Farrell. Let you go free Eh. Well he knew he couldn't keep me no evidence you know as I drink plenty star. Awfully Funny Matal him haven Menaka draw. He's getting very wise. Jimmy you know what he told me he said you try to kill me. I tell him he was out of his mind. Funny turns out percents Jimmy put that gun down. No Blanche very nice of you to lie in Alabama. I mean now I can't trust so you're going to die. Now take lunch from the shoulder. He'll be okay. He didn't even have a chance to fire his gun you wanted. I dropped my drink under the pillow of yourself. I hope it doesn't stay johnny nothing. We came as fast as we call. Does he came just in time to hear. Blanche gives us a complete confession how `bout clench. Okay he told me this afternoon and beg me to Alabam I did. I loved them then. I went to the office the rest. You know Johnny dining how to do it. How'd you make confess was easy baby? All I had to do is play a little game called ring around the Rosie dear. There's no place like home and so peaceful johnny. You still haven't explained well. It adds up to this baby. Maxwell Kill Baldwin. They get that bracelet. He didn't know that ballroom. Had it sewed into his suit and Helen Baldwin suspecting what happened disappeared in order to investigate she found out that her father's body was in the tomb right now. She must have known where the bracelet was. She came back with it accused. Maxwell people the gun. She threw the bracelets out the window. You but why did Maxwell Line tell us? The dead girl in his office was his secretary. Ruth Turkey to protect himself. Install time if we knew who she was uh suspicion of Maxwell would be strengthened. He wanted to carry out the bluff by killing Ruth Perkins. They made a mess of that job though. But what good would that bluff of Donald well at the time Baldwin disappeared? His daughter told the police that there was some bad feeling between her father. Maxwell Maxwell wouldn't have had a chance if the police knew the dead girl was telling Baldwin. That's why he removed designation papers and things before we stumbled on the body. Johnny Dean. Do you still feel. You're you're fed up being a detective murder mayhem and monkey shines a single thing aboard can still board instill fear in Iraq But who says I want to get out of it? Career baby and so. The curtain falls on to Condi- as cheaply as one which was chosen guest expert Herald Cuma Sir. Mr Messer is author of the recently published mystery novel suddenly a corpse next week at this time. Merger by experts rings you a drama of a young newspaper reporter who covers the biggest story of his career only to find murder dogging footsteps as selected for your approval by one of the world's foremost detective story writers. Until then this is your host Brett. 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How does that Marmot know how to tell them what family I don't know I do not know it's got me? `have crazy no. I tell you. I laid awake all night long trying to figure that out. He just drive me out of my mind to this backwardness one thing. I've ever been up again. How does he do? I just wish arnold well. It's something do with that bad blame telescope. He's out there. I know but why just looking important. Tang or year that blame. Siamese dot sent out there. Stop here for advice on how to get your canned goods pre Tam sense a bounty taken over ten dollars over. Amer known get close to the winter. I don't want him to see US looking at him. I don't want him to think we're worrying towel hanging over that word and talent by is going bankrupt while they're bound to be word. Anything ain't must have ochsner. Yeah I know what I don't WanNa give granddaddy satisfaction and no one. He bankrupt in Marlene. Someway astonishing. Can't run him out there not legal. You got him out of the store by threatening to get out of injunction again you. Can't you get up another injunction? Run Him off our property trouble. He ain't on our property in their foot off of it. It public where he's at ten and ain't no says a man game beyond public property. Well Ain't this law about being a public nuisance. He Ain't no public nuisance though during the public a big favorite and getting canned goods for practical nothing. Well let's just call off the alien Lomax a thing to do. Just call it on. Then we wouldn't have no business at all for ain't GonNa pay good money for a lot of cans when they don't know what's in them now but we joint making no money on the bench. We're doing now. Everybody getting all that canned good free watch somebody misses and then we take in a quarter or make no little on on fruit jars careless to have home after we opened candidacy. If they guessed right yeah had stolen all right. Never mind out bring in own yard. Lytham bad brain many cram leave. I'll just go out there and run him off. Barehanded fistfights fine. I don't do how scuffle with about all that or just gives in more trouble. He could lawsuits for solving them batteries. Or so what? Are we going to do that? Alarm going to just sit here. Let him neither. What we've got to do is figure out how grand pep tails what's in them cans and we can do it ourselves and go back to sell merchandise like we used to am. And how are we ever going to figure out our wait? Just a minute overnight believe I got. I saw no no. I don't at Koetter hanging around in here. Roy's you're no use town Kodama Guinea and Raymond Avenue. Tell me what it was. I just thought as long as grand theft. No we're watching all antennas while we can hire him for clerk here in the store. Higher Granddad. Granny. Wait a minute. I mean you have got a good idea. There might be but I'm again it. Now wait a minute no. I hate to go again my own idea that away but I just don't want to have no trump at a bill legal right. I'll tell you what when he's working in here. You can be making new errors and they know deliver. You can stay home and I'll call you when we need. Well I mean thank. That'll win got to do it. And the only way we're ever going to realize anything out of these candidates I recognize line with started up ninety demolished. Talk to him right now. Open window there sometimes. It's a handicapped being smart as I am. Hurry up and get the winter. I'm getting GRANDPA. Hey Grand Pep Grand Pat after a ray mill for fair share. Why are you like Mister? Abner people in and Lomb got an. Id We won't talk to you about her. Mom Has I heard tell you that right now. I don't even know what it is and I burnt either. Who they're alone. They wait a minute. Grand have known on what it is now here daddy grant again. We're getting pretty swamped with working here with this. Grab bag sale on. We could use extra hand Baker somebody that knows the star like using do. What do you say Grand Valley? You like it worked. I I'll be thinking to deliver so I won't be around here much I can coming. You're picking gold store. You don't matter there that that injunction. Vigg in me you know. Well just forget about that grand. How about it and I don't know okay deals all now wait a minute it'll be an easy job granddad. You can just sit in the rocker in here and a Nice Comfort. Rocker stated that uncomfortable. You got out there and all you have to do is point out which canned goods is way too in. Customer wants Hominy or baked beans or whatever it is they want. Don't literally could get a job like that and I got a pretty good business going right here. I'm making a dime on ever came in there ever. Can we give away? You mean Kirby grab bags. They were here. I did not mind but you're the one that's run at first. He wasn't setting out there given tips would be making some money going broke well. I don't care that blaming honoring hide. Anyway they're watching ever hard on your breakers by often. The handlebars that'll keep crime. Man Do you want to? I hope he don't really say I'm making ten cents a can on everything right now. So if you add up to fifteen cents again I'll take theme. Sansei came Dane. Granny's we don't make that much ourselves. We couldn't pay that we'd be losing money appropriation. Take it or leave. It then happier. A robber low down here handyman here. I'm doing your favorite. I'm giving you a chance to take him. Some money on the campaign would wait is mary-anne take an hour to come out the winner. Bozo entering. Stop talking and YOU WANNA TAKE. Improvisation let me know lauber low down. There has got a point there and he knows he's got his right where he wants to hate and this by honoring hind to do business on that kind of a based on the thing right. I wouldn't if it was right and you that right now. I don't want to know to find out how he tells what's in Canaan and beating many game. Reckon he's a mind reader pantheon reader. I mean no explanation of this thing somewhere. Let's take it step by step now. You my own -pinion if you won't if got something to do with that telescope he's got out there with it. I don't know what it is but something. Maybe that's how magical telescope from. No he knows it your thing. I don't think well maybe it's got one of them extra ray machines inside out there. You know one and things that say no. That ain't no such thing. I don't think maybe it's got an extra ray machine inside ain't room in it for that and here's another thing we got to remember. At first he didn't use no telescope. We within the store again. He didn't look through no telescope or nothing else trying. Yeah still left to get a look through that thing out just what he's looking. So would I don't know how we're GONNA do it good? Well that's got anything to do whether he ain't GonNa let us look through his secret away if that's it. We just got to get away from that telescope someway. But I don't know I got adding You know how serious takes telegram deliver job? He Oh he thinks that's ingrained this one job in the world all right. We have sent somebody in town telegram. You have to go over to Dick. Huddleston this to get it delivered while he's doing that. We looked at the campus. Go Good I who. Who are we going to say? The Taliban hit don't matter just anybody. You're Lisbeth oh no not her mom. She thinks away she ever got a telegram. I don't think is somebody out. Call Davison store right now. Well less money now. They charged him telling me here. Working mom say I want to send a telegram do have I? Haven't he never gets calendering or yeah? Well they don't say nothing. Just leave it blank. I know but well. This is a secret code I think or or just sign it grover Cleveland. Sort of a joke thing. Yeah Yeah. Don't call him GRANDPA finding out over the delivered. Yeah so it's worse over now. Kilograms have to get over there in high GRANDPA GRANDPA APP. You better get over to date condos that we were just hoping to take on the phone. The telegram over there for you to deliver. Oh by over the work. Long look at Ham. Skeedaddle out there wait a minute. Wait a minute dad. Blame it on demand when he come back and got his telescope. They're located at lowdown Andrei. Barney what will they ever figure out? Grandpappy spears's scheme April Seventeenth nineteen. Fifty-three Lomb Abner on Classic Radio Theatre visit our web. Page for more information on Classic Radio Collecting. You can find that and you can also find our podcast there and you can contact me there. At Classic Radio Dot Stream Not Dot com classic radio dot stream and our programs are available. Anywhere podcasters served a search for USA Classic Radio Theater. Support this radio station by supporting the advertisers messages. 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This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by following us on facebook twitter and instagram's new service telling newscast with April the seventeenth twenty twenty. I'm Mike Clifford. The White House released new guidelines late Thursday afternoon for states who reopened amid the corona virus pandemic the Washington Post reports. The plan leaves the decisions up to governors to make on a statewide or county by county level. The Post ads. The guidance does not lay out any specific timeline for relaxing social distancing restrictions it instead a set of criteria such as testing and hospital capacity for state leaders to use an making their decisions according to. President. We're not opening all at once but one careful step at a time. Some states will be able to open the sooner than others. Meantime got her. Cristiano is giving Medicaid funded long term care workers at nursing homes and in-home care a three hundred dollar weekly pay Boo Story. Cove in nineteen crisis reportedly the first stipend of its kind in the country. So new is also increasing testing for the more than six thousand workers at long term care facilities in Rockingham and Hillsborough counties areas with outbreaks. It's all in response to staffing shortages. Ended immediate need about half the states. Thirty plus deaths from nineteen have been in long term care facilities. But Susan. Buxton the New Hampshire state. Long Term Care Ombudsman notes that overall the grant state is preventing the corona virus from spreading. We've been fortunate that his estate we have taken bold action early so we had that opportunity and we took it. We're not hearing of widespread in sections. She says she's also not hearing of outbreaks. The majority of nursing homes. I'm Laura Ross brats Hellum reporting who helps your health. Officials claim the number of people hospitalized for cove in nineteen has been stable for the past week or so and voting rights groups are praising the votes safe act of twenty twenty introduced in Congress. Thursday by California Senator Camera Harris Bill would set aside. Five billion dollars to expand voting by mail and early-voting ahead of the November presidential election. Dr Matt Butto with the UCLA. Voting Rights Project Says California already allows permanent. No excuse absentee voting and early voting. So it isn't out of the question for other states. I'm on the more rural counties. Have already transitioned to hundred percent. Vote by mail and do automatically send out ballots although there were already seeing that in parts of California I'm Suzanne Potter supporters. Say that making voting more convenient as especially helpful to low income voters who may not be able to take time off work or to wait in long voting lines. The HARRISVILLE would also provide grants for states and explore ways to allow for curbside voting to share wait times polling places and make elections more accessible for voters with disabilities. This is pianist. The temporary closing of meat processing plants raised concerns over food supplies during the pandemic. But in states like Iowa and South Dakota. They also renewed demands for worker safety this week at least two plants in Iowa suspended operations after a number of employees tested positive. Coaching nineteen including a pair of desk considered related to the pandemic Raphael. More Attaya is with the Center for Worker Justice. Blerta's station is so close indefinitely. Follow the Osha in. Cdc Gun is include this right. Montaigne seek feet between workers. He smithfield foods. Plant in South Dakota recently closed down on a temporary basis. Environmental groups condemning. New rules have threatened to rollback protections from toxic power plant emissions. The EPA is changing the way it calculates the impact of mercury missions to mercury and air toxics standards put in place in twenty twelve justified the cleanup costs to industry by including the health benefits of reducing other pollutants like sulfur dioxide and particulates the come with reducing. Mercury. The new rules consider only the impact of mercury itself. Mandy Warner with the Environmental Defense Fund says that undermines the purpose of the Standards Standards Reduce Eighty toxic air pollutants deadly search. That is the real world impact of these standards and that is what He. Pa SHOULD BE. Considering Trump administration officials characterized the twenty twelve rule as a dishonest mechanism used to justify regulatory action regardless of cost. I'm Andrea Sears. Reporting environmental groups are planning to sue the EPA to prevent the changes to the mercury and air toxics standards from taking effect. Finally are Eric. Takeoff tells US most Oregonians to protect. Wildlife Migration corridors. That's according to the latest poll results. This survey commissioned by the Pew Charitable Trust conducted in February before the Kobe. Nineteen outbreak five eighty six percent of Oregon. Voters think it's important to conserve. Migration routes I species like deer elk and Prong Horn and the same number. Want the state to build special passages across or under highways to protect these routes and drivers. Ken McCall Vice. President of the Oregon Hunters Association says. His group was pleasantly surprised with these results. Shows very positive interest on the part of Oregon's public for our deer population health and for the human health associated with deer vehicle collisions. That are pretty common. In the state of Oregon now there are about seven thousand wildlife vehicle crashes and seven hundred injuries as well as a number of debts from these crashes each year according to the Oregon Department of Transportation Support for the supporting provided by the Pew Charitable Trust. Here's hoping you'll keep six weeks of separation this weekend on my Clifford for public do service. We are member enlisted supported and Rollin at public service DOT. Org Jason. You want to throw the ball around. No thanks dad when I grow up. I'm going to be a snacky not an athlete. Okay how do you snack? Leads bond with their father. They go to quick trip and get snack meals like cliff bars or power or warm bar. It sounds like you're making this up so while by a snack. Oh Mom Dutch crushing my dreams again. Don't crush our child streams. Don't worry dad. We can the cliff bars around when it's time to review it's time for us. Michael More than a gestation the USA radio network presents the greatest radio programs of all time. Dylan the United States Marshal. The first man look for another. It's a chance a job and it makes them an watchful a little lonely gun smoke. This is classic Radio Theater James Stewart as the gun speed over the lone ranger. Now here's your host. Why it Cox Western adventure as we head to Dodge City Kansas for an episode of Gunsmoke starring William. Conrad as Marshal. Matt Dillon this episode entitled. What the whiskey drummer heard was originally broadcast April seventeenth nineteen fifty four around Dutch city and in the territory on West. There's just one way to handle the killers the spoilers and that's where the US Marshall and the smell of Gunsmoke slowed starring William Conrad Story of the violence that moved West with young America. Man With United States Marshal Mr Bill. Would you mind stopping again to hear per minute early in the day isn't it? I don't WanNA drink barkeeps holding some money for me. I won a little last night and I didn't want to put it back into the gay town that you want to get it now so you can put it back tonight said it yesterday money just Marshall. How are you Mike? Just before six my here by opened rink sure will tonight just her. Its use me. Yeah I had the bartender call you Marshall Dillon I got something to Tell You Mashal. Go ahead okay. You're going to die Marsh Hawk. I'm a whiskey drama. This time I've been to dodge though I worked around Saint Louis till they sent me out here better Saint Louis. Lots of important people there. Wait a minute what are you talking about? You're going to Die Marshall. I hit him saying you heard who saying so. I mean it would dock and they went they along. I didn't ask anything or they'd have known I was missing and then of course I'd never heard of you two just now. That is A. You're not making much sense. It makes sense all right and see. I wrote the Santa Fe out hip and Saint Louis and one night I was a little wrapped up trying to sleep and these two men came by stood that and I won the other three hundred dollars. He said it was to kill Marshal Dillon. But he didn't say where because I didn't know to just know that. All you know about it Mr Hawkins. Yeah that's all Marshall. I've done my duty now. I'll be going my. What do you make that bill? I Dunno jester. He acts a crazy. I don't know whether believe him or not. No I suppose we'll find out so prisoner. Sound sleep already and he's he's got dark hasn't got nothing else to do to Tom. Smith GETS HERE THAT. Who Your home for. I thought I told you but Tom Miss. Your F- TESCO's Ain't right I thought fellows wand in Abilene They never heard of him. And I believe that's why I worked Back for a minute chester. I think I left my bridal on the Hitchin railway. That's a good idea. Stay there tested. Stay there you've been shot. I was trying to play possum chester. I wanted to get him to come up where I could see him. Oh He's gone now. You'll scare him away down the alley. There will be lost in the crowd but now on sorry doesn't matter. Chester what he probably thinks. I'm dead so I just go on play impossible. How do you mean DOC's office? I'll tell you there. You say that risky Drummers Namias Matt Wilber Hawkins Doc but you never heard of this is first time and what do you have sense to follow those tremendous? I not who they were He was probably scared to death. Yeah in any way he kinda. Actually he got hit by lightning somewhere even when he's standing still. He gives you the feeling that he started walking sideways. Like a crab if you know what I mean. No I don't but I sure think twice before asked Neuter. Explain shifts there. What is it having mind to do? Nothing nothing not just going to do the work for a while. I'm just GONNA sit up here in your office and weet reader wait for what when justice spread the word around that I'm dead. Whoever wants me that way is GonNa make his play come right out into the open and do whatever he's got planned and then I'm going to give him a little surprise that one if ally the now. Why didn't I think of you better get going? Chester I'm kind of anxious to meet this man him and his gun yesterday but only one thing. Ain't the boys lot leader run a little wild when they hear you're not around keep a lid on things They might have to take the chance case you ran again. I think Justice Right Matt. A lot of men and dodge are just waiting her. Excuse this gets too bad. I'll just have to come to life again. Donald Duck. Where are you going to do to Entertain me while I'm waiting to hear why suppose they're gonNA feed you to give me a mighty host if you didn't know how long does he get on. Steam Hoon I duNno doctrine. I don't think it'll be very long. You Will WanNa play a little cribbage or rather pick suppers on. Yeah the first dead man I ever saw with an appetite but I will get the cribbage word that I'm making no promises about summer. Thanks Back C. Nearly midnight man. How long you GONNA wait? Have something happens I guess. Just let me know. It's quiet enough to maybe nothing's going to happen. It didn't try to kill me just for the fun of it that I guess right answer after I get to the back room. I'll be holding a gun on anyway I'm coming. What are you doing here this time? And then half me in the way of course. Where's the Corp Dot the finally? I find him all laid out math. You just don't seem to upset the Corp Skittish Soul while I talk and didn't make sense chester running around telling everybody you've been killed. No one I know chest that who you were dead. He wouldn't be acting like that no. I guess he wouldn't Boorda's anyway. I haven't seen him a couple of hours but most everybody else believes that Matt I don't know what you're up to but I figure if someone's been trying to kill you that right. Yeah ambush getting. That's not the way he's telling that another way who stover. I never saw him before. But there's a man standing at the bar the Texas trail bragging about out drawn. You remain these. Admitting he killed me. I thought you know this is what you've been waiting for anybody with him kidding alone. As far as I know anyway you better come to life again. Math is going to be trouble. If you don't want any trouble yet and working themselves up to maybe better not wait any longer. I'd like to take that gunman's employer along with me though you can find out who it is. Matt. Beat it out of you but come with me it so you can point this out and you take cover and Casey wants to fight any man whose coward and up to shoot you in. The DOC isn't GonNa face and maybe not but you never know like I said very cover tall blackbox kick our. Just wait and you wait outside. Always I I MUSCIAL DYLAN MR off. Who Are you? I'm Camaraderie? I thought she was dead. Marshall changed my mind. What do you want? You've been bragging about shooting me. His Talk Marshall. I didn't mean nothing by just talking. And a dangerous talk. Everybody said you was dead. I was waiting for you to come out of your whole Rogers like an ambush national. I never even seen you before. I didn't ambush right trying to face the bar. I'll take ain't gonNA try nothing. You got the wrong man. Marshall Okay Turnaround and Arrest Man. Just for talking. Jails right across the street. Rogers usually the way what was just talk. I can't prove now get going. I swear I didn't try to kill you. Marshall straight ahead Rogers. You're GONNA do some more talking. I want to know who hired you. Nobody I me- I got a job. Mcclellan which what are you doing out here? Who's this? Fella named Rodriguez Chester? He's been bragging about shooting. I was just having a little fun. I know gunman. It doesn't take much of a gun to try to ambush a man but I didn't do it. Marshall I heard them talking about it and I don't know why started saying feeling Ala Alabama web to doc. I was coming to tell you something. Well I've been over to Alpha Ganzi understand it. Well say it just as well. There's a fellow over there and he's been bragging about shoot new to what yes. And that's right. He's saying he outdraw you and kill you little drunk and courses it was rogers. He had allies scared him. Sober sure sure. I've been drinking Marshall. I wouldn't have caught like that if I've been plum. Sober gone right here so you turn me loose like you say right here. Just a big talker. What about fell over again? I don't even want to see him. Just he'll shut up fast enough when he hears I'm still around. You go on back to the bar. Rogers D- unless the men laugh you out of time yes. I'm sure sorry I've done it my sure I'm going I don't know what's the matter with me. Justin up figuring this. I might have known there. It'd be at least a couple of drunks wanting reputation for having killed me. He's not gonNA now. We're right back where we started from. Yeah whiskey lying to have forgotten. I got shot at Chester. And there's a man somewhere and still waiting to kill me April Seventeenth. Nineteen fifty four gunsmoke on Classic Radio Theater. So I don't know if you saw this but there's just this big study about anxiety among us really interesting in this study about what can keep us up at night. One of the top stressors out of all the things to worry about is paying for healthcare. A huge majority of us say we're worried about that is totally understandable. 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He's coming for his prisoner. You'll be here on the stage. May after tomorrow. We figured anything else. What is that all it says yes? That's all just one thing. Ms Justin dated was set. It got delayed somewhere along the line during the day. He what time is it about noon. Get stage ought to be here right now. Come on all right Mr Dylan must indigo. I don't see no passengers at maybe because they haven't got out yet. Just hear the COM- Tom Smith. Who that other Fella? He looks kind of mini. That's Wilbert Hawkins. Chester a little Whiskey drummer. I've been wondering where he's banned. Johnston sure glad that grips over. Next time I'll come horseback stages easier when you're taking prisoner back. I guess you're right at that man. Hope you still got him. I make this trip He's there anytime you want. Where's Wilbur Hawkins going and even going to say hello? Oh Yeah told me staying dodge US crazy talking man? I've run into. I told him Hawkins. If you tried thinking I might make a whole lot more sense a whole lot Prescott. He means well but it tells them mighty strange stories. Al-amin well of course we'd be true but he told me heard a couple of minute a bar talking about me. You didn't know they meant introduce myself on the stage and you recognize the name. What are you looking like that format? No no go ahead Tom. What'd Hawkins here said this one fellow is GonNa give the other three hundred dollars to shoot me. Dryness thing at sure is. I don't know that there's a lot of men liked to kill me but I don't believe that these around talking about it that way I kind of thinking made it all out now. He didn't make it up Tom. Not Quite you know something about this. You mean someone is out to shoot me. Yeah I'll tell you about it on the way over the dodgers. You wait here. Chester doesn't Casey get to pass. This ain't GonNa get past us. The conclusion gunsmoke from April Seventeenth Nineteen fifty. 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Open Up Hawkins got you know he was going to shoot my and I just sensed it. I guess look I can kick the door open with one foot then. You cover me dodger ready. I'm ready kid. I tried not to now. I had to Shoot Hawkins. But why did you want to kill us? Smith and me not people want to see. Nobody said nothing all that up. It took a shot at me. Last week didn't talk INS. Didn't you know like buddy now? Why why did you want to Hawkins? Tell me she loves me. I told them about this. Why I lo- I do. He's that that fit double. Was He talking about? I don't know about it doesn't matter much I don't understand it. I never saw foia. Hawkins was a murder Tom. Mcconnell doesn't need any particular reason nobody ever know why did what he did. He was crazy. If you like sure was crazy. You think he's done a lot of killing. 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Y'All truly johnny dollar. Ooh expense accounts by special investigator. Johnny dollar tool Richard Porter four eighty webster boulevard. Providence Rhode Island. The following is an accounting of expenditure during my investigation of the shepherd matter. More expenses item. Three twenty six cents one bottle of ASPIRIN FOR MR porter. I felt he was going to need it. I hope you trying to be funny. Mr Dahl Mr Porter. I think you've got a tough decision to make I I know that the commission on eighty thousand dollars worth of insurance would be high down. Thanks Mr Porter Dr. Sheppard told me he bought or tried to buy all at insurance because he thought a man named Forbes is going to kill him he bought. He said to make certain his mother as well provided for he was carrying a thirty two colt now he spoke of treating. Forbes's wife and of advising her that divorce would settle her health problem. Mr Forbes didn't like that and accused Chevron of trying to wreck is home and now what have we got? What your Doctor Shepherd is he the nuts. Nydia the cleverest man alive. I don't know I do know I believe about one. Half of what he told me. Maybe less what reason. What do you have to like me? If someone threatened your life or mine we turn to the police for help. Shelvin will do that. Insists that it would probably be hazardous in the case of his patient Mrs Forbes. I don't want to write up. This policy of what he says is true. But I don't WANNA pass up. The Commission of it isn't true. Can you stick around town for another day? Two and find out about it. I'll do what I can muster put him off. Go ahead have an aspirin. A he had an aspirin and I had a car ride once again out. To the offices of Dr Sheppard do the same. Things are more or less going on the same way is nursed mistreated appeared as distraught has ever once you recognize me. There was a quick dabbing at the is the straightening of the hair before she spoke the morning. Mr Hall like to see the doctor again. He was calling Mr Portas Office trying to locate you buzzing Mr. Do you have anything to do with? Why doctors been carrying a gun? No that's his business. In other words I should mind my business. I'm being honest. I've advised him what to do on the matter. He'll have to explain that to you. Mr Doesn't make much sense to me. You can go back now. Okay elements doctor you. You were pretty insulting today. Sorry about that but we both have a problem to solve and I get paid sometimes deliberately insulting people. You're a stranger. You WanNa Change. Your story about all this. I wish I could change it. It's still a mess a bad mess. I thought it all out last night and I still must hold on my original thinking my concern for my patient Mrs Forbes before anything else in other words you won't call the police and tell them your life threatening no and you're very stubborn about that part. I don't think you comprehend the situation at all. Wait a minute. Let's understand each other doctor if this man Forbes all you say he is and you say you're the expert on homicidal tendencies then the best thing for you to do is to prefer charges against him for threatening your life and have him locked up now. You can do that. According to what you've told me about Mrs Forbes and a serve in their home. Witnessing is threats. I will try to explain again. I can't do that for Mrs Forbes Sake I just can't. She's been through shattering ordeal. I must attempt to resolve this quietly true. I can generally anticipate a man's actions inside my office under clinical conditions. But I won't Forbes's different. That's why I tried to contact you today. Someone like you good approach. Forbes and possibly persuading to discard his ideas violence. Probably do it in a quiet way to support you doing. I'm willing to pay you. I mean you and I don't seem to get along very well but I bohm porter and he tells me you're one of the best men in your line of business. I'll pay go to Paul Forbes and talk to him as I describe. I can't figure you know I'll let you and I not get into any personality arguments. Will you do this for me for your regularly? I was going to do it anyhow for Mr Porter. In the fee he pays me. I just wanted to check you I. I'll do it but I still think it's a matter for the police all right. Let's leave it this week. You go top Forbes. You think he means to kill me than I'll call the police and prefer charges against him patient or no patient. How's that that sounds a little more sensible doctor? I took down the home address of Paul. Forbes climbed on my rented car and drove over to his home in the gilded edge of the city a story and a half colonial all the trimmings lawns trees. Plymouth convertible of which wasn't station wagon in the garage was a nice warm spring day and some flowers are blooming and smelling up the area. Very Nice Wet. Flies buzzed vs drawn. Birds Sang and I went up and press the door. I should've gone butterfly catching or taking a plane to spokane. Yeah I'm looking for Paul floor. Says he live here? Yeah he sure does. I'm Forbes just force my name is Johnny Dollar Yeah came over to talk to you gunsmith side of my head and I went down to my knees doors slam somewhere and someone either way. I I it around trying to see what it was all about then. I managed to get to my feet in time to see Paul Forbes plunging. The Plymouth out the drive win heading. I don't know where goods last good Mr foes. You heard me sports. Oh let me help y'all over here. My goodness goodness gracious. How did this happen as far as swimming on to own no shit? No easy easy down here. I'm afraid Mr Forbes attacked this gentleman Ms Forbes then go to my medicine chest and get some swabs in a panic. Cobalt doctors necessary. It just might be might be deep. Get the aid things in some brandy up. This is on forgivable. Just unforgivable please. I don't know who you are. You friend of Paul. No I'm Johnny Dollar wanted to discuss with your husband and something I take it. You're Mrs. For oh set them right here a little better. I don't know yet. They let me try. Some of that goes is an easy thanks to you up to believe it's not too deep. Missile has a few dollars. I don't think it's very deep. I'll be up. Didn't go telephone Dr Sheppard until him to come over here stellar. I can't tell you how sorry I am for this year. You can bring suit against us. You can do anything you want to. Mr Dollar Parts. Temper is just ungovernable. These days could have cue. He took the car. What's gotten into it two nights ago? You Take my personal physician to kill him now. He's attacked you for no reason that where he might have gone. Heaven only knows that's what he is only in Forbes had a right to be scared from what I've seen from what I've seen a husband. It was an angry man with a gun in his hand. Slugging it anyone. In sight. She was distraught woman with a darkening spot. Underneath a right I wasn't Mascara who needed more looking after Dr Sheppard Mrs Forbes or Johnny Dollar. You just still now sir. I guess you kind of faded a little bit. The act gets you. Just tell me about Mr Forms. A big opponent. Look I'm an insurance investigator? I came here today to talk to Mr Forbes about threatening Dr Shepherd's life will I I would want to talk out of turn so you. You bet discuss that with this for now. Just one question. Did Mr Forbes threatened Dr Shepherd's life yes you heard him. I did it attack. Deductor shepherd hit two nights also attack. Mrs. Forums Mr Dahl. This is an unhappy house. Things going all wrong here these last few months Mr Forbes Change Mr Foser. Why don't know why but please don't ask me to speak up against any? I'm just trying to find out the best thing to do for everybody concerned. What can you do anything like this? Is Terrible this about selling? I want you to go up your room and lie. Dow knows engineer getting any more excited about Mr Dollar. I DOC Hello Dolly well. I don't think there's anything worse than a cut. How do you feel on ask for straightened out? I hope so. I'll get some dollar. I should have taken your advice yesterday. I'm going to take it now. I'm going to call the police and have this man arrested. He might kill somebody next time. Is He a little. That'll wear off Paul how they'll take him into custody and probably talk some sense to hung up your room now. Mrs Forbes we will handle this upton take Mrs Forbes you just come along. She is not a well woman she looks to me. I wish you get an expert on that head. Can you come by the office afternoon? Give the police. I doubt if it's concussion or anything like that but it's best to play safe here a safe player all the time on doctor. What does that mean look here? I'm not hello yes I WANNA talk to somebody about a threat on my life. I my name is Shepherd Dr Charles Shepherd when I left him he was reporting Paul Forbes to the police he gave them Forbes description on the license number of Plymouth sponsors driving. I didn't stay beyond that. Maybe I should have. Maybe I should never have left that house. I'm not sure but if I hadn't left I might have saved a life. Now here's all star to tell you about tomorrow's intriguing episode of This Week Story Tomorrow. Well the big lie is as true as little green apples join us. Won't you when I bite into one and spit out a bullet yours truly Johnny Dollar Yours? Truly Johnny Dollar starring Bob. Bailey is transcribed in Hollywood written by John Dawson. 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I was just beautiful and smoking a cigar and just getting some sunshine in the police cruiser pulls up and a policewoman walks up to me and she wasn't wearing a mask so you know when she got up to like about ten feet away from me. I said hi how you doing officer. Where's your mask? Which Kinda took her off tranquil. Oh I'm okay I'm I'm social distance from you I. I don't need a mask and said okay. So what can I do for you officer? And she's like. Oh you know the governor said you can't be on the beach unless you're exercising and I said well technically Ma'am I am exercising. And she's like sizing your rights eighty. You're right you're just sitting there. Smoking a cigar. I said yeah but I am exercising. What do you do is exercising my constitutional rights to peaceably assemble in public? Where where I choose. And she's like but the governor said and I'm like yeah I I know what the governor said and I am not going to move. And she's like but but you have to move. I said why its use well for the safety of everybody. I said man. You're not wearing a masking shows. Yeah but I'm social distancing view and I'm like well before you walked up to me. I was social distance the more than one hundred feet from the nearest person and she goes. Well Yeah but and I said I said are you arresting me and she goes. Oh No I don't want to arrest you. I said well then then good and she goes. I WANNA ask you to move and I said. Are you arresting me? She Goes No. I said good because if you were to arrest me I would sue you for violating my civil rights that she goes and she actually said with a straight face. What our civil rights. Oh my goodness and then I looked at her and I said Ma'am to get to get that badge is you. Did you swear it off? So what did you? You're all too and she goes the constitution. I said okay. Within that Constitution are enumerated civil rights which include the right to peaceably assemble. Which you're violating by. Ask It. She's like Oh why never read it? I said Hey. Let's let's be fair right. Have you ever read any terms of service? Either agree to a lot of things. I've not read sure but the constitution's a little different. It's not like they don't cover it in school. At least I did when I taught government and last I checked. Government was a mandatory course in the curriculum. So you know so. She had to have at least heard of the constitution. And I'm thinking if you're if you're gotta be a police officer and you'RE GONNA be enforcing laws you might as well. You like. Read the laws that you enforce. I mean I I do environmental work and I have to read the EPA regulations and dot regulations. So you know and I think if you're going to be a police officer which I've actually had some law enforcement training. When I was in the Navy I did a little bit of shore patrol stuff and I had friends who are cops. And it's like so so you have to know at least your basic like the right to remain silent comes you know from the Fifth Amendment. So so the police officer let me. She was really nice and so I started talking to her about what. What civil rights are and She she actually like her eyes opened up and she she was sorta like you could tell that the the light bulb was was flickering on and then the gears were moving and it wound up me when I buttered up a little bit. I said Hey I know you got a very hard job and I respect law enforcement I do and it's you all thank you. I pray for you guys all the time you know to be safe. I appreciate you trying to make sure I'm safe. But how is how is a bothering people on the beach? Who are social distancing? GonNa save any lives. And she's like yeah that makes sense. I said if you she said so the well. My supervisor will get upset if I don't get you to move. I said well Welsh. Call your supervisor over here. I'll talk to him all that's not necessary. And then you know if I had a copy of my pocket constitution which I used to carry until I gave it to some guy in Vietnam I would like handed her by pocket constitution right there. I gotta get some more of those but on the whole it was a very pleasant experience but it it does concern me. That members of our law enforcement community do not understand what the constitution is and what the civil rights of the people they serve our yet. It's both very concerning but also there's a you know a positive in that as well right. It's bad at their swearing oaths right. I joked that we all accept the terms conditions without reading it but yeah no those are a totally different scale than a oath to swear to uphold something as well so. I think that is Unacceptable that they they haven't they should be at least a bill of rights. I understand if some of the more obscure you know. Does the state have the right to print money or something like that that no one really pays too much attention to those are are more under the? How many numerous powers are there like those questions? It's under Santa. Both our person doesn't know what they should definitely know the bill of rights. Especially the first one. If you're GONNA like flip and skip through your should at least be able to get through the First Amendment which is probably the most famous dot or the Second Amendment and it's scary that they don't know but I think the positive in this. Is that the way that police interact with people. Here is a lot more pleasant than elsewhere in the country. A lot of it has to do with and I'm not trying to knock the police officers but a lot of it has to do with. They don't want to go to court on their day off. So I've gotten out of tickets that in in in Michigan or other places I would never have skated out of. Because it's as plainly because if you are nice to the police here and you like put your hat in your hand and kind of like show little deference to them especially if you're in the wrong and you say yeah fix that you're right. They'll kind of like way in their head. Do I want to go to court on my day off or do I want to let this guy off with a warning and they usually let you off with a warning and another thing that I've noticed none of the cops here that I've met have a moustache in every time I've ever gotten a ticket. The COP at a mustache and every time the cop let me off. He didn't have a moustache. So if you see a police officer with mirrored sunglasses and the Freddie Mercury firemen mustache. You're in trouble. But that's just a theory I have. I can't back it up with anything. That's is there any experience you've had with that any of the anyone listening there as your mustache. Police interactions noticeably different. Then you're clean shaven ones. It's it's weird and also police women have always been cool to me. It's like clean-shaven cops and police women were cool. But you know the mustache cops. You're you're basically nailed man good to know and yet it's the police. Culture varies a lot from area to area. And it's partially training and partially local culture right. Some police departments. They teach you to take control a situation. Come in there yelling intimidating and make sure they know who's the boss. Yeah and I think that kind of training can work very well for some people or it can have very the opposite. The fact of what's desired. You start yelling at some people. Some will say okay. I'll do it. You say others will say who is this Guy Young me? I'M GONNA yell back who. Who can be louder? You get a lot more flies with honey than vinegar indeed. What are police like in your area? Have they been stopping you or anyone? 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Yeah Yeah I've heard it referred to as operation gridlock of and I looked at a couple articles and heard it on the radio on a couple of other shows and Apparently there were some large number of people. Most of them were in their car and driving around the state capital in Lansing. Some of them were actually were out out of their vehicles and a lot of them were open carrying had rifles and pistols on them. And and how I always. I always love to see the reaction of Democrats when when the people actually show up open carrying the state capital. Because you could see the fear and there is that they've You know poke the bear and so governor Gretchen Whitmer. She has this. The statewide stay at home order with a very with a very vague framework of emergency laws. That are kind of like a one size fits all deal so for example the needs of like some place out in the country like Western. Washington county are having the same kind of lockdown conditions as like the Center of Detroit and the thing a lot of people may not may or may not know about Michigan for example is Wayne County. Where Detroit is located is a fairly densely populated area. And it's mostly Democrat. But if you go outside of Wayne County it's mostly Republican and it's rural so it's like Michigan is one of those states. Where if you were to look at the map you have a big big bright blue spot in a sea of red so I think that's that's that's sort of one of the one of the aspects here and I. I'm trying to read the article here. So so they. The problem is like Michigan has the highest number of Cova nineteen cases in the country and I can understand why they want to stem stem. This disease by having some sort of controls but the people of Michigan are really get upset because for example you can go to the store but you're not allowed to buy certain things They banned the sale of Seeds for example for your garden They've banned the sale of paint and another home improvement items. And there's a lot of people that I guess while they're doing. This lockdown want to do some home improvement projects while they can but they're not able to liquors liquor a liquor is for sale. But you can't get carrot seeds to start your garden all gone to hell it governor. She might make a change right. Well I don't know liquor to feel excluded. We're an inclusive community in Michigan. She might say well abandoned all. Well actually I can understand. Why the governor's the control freaks would want liquor in marijuana. Sales kept going. They WANNA keep the public sedated. I mean if you're sitting there drunk off your butt and just drink and Miller lite and watching the game and smoking a Doobie and watching that flakes. You'RE NOT GONNA be out at the at the Capitol building with your Ar fifteen demanding your rights while shows you. They're concerned because drinking is going to weaken your immune system. Yeah so if they really wanted to protect people. It makes more sense to ban liquor than to ban seats right. Yeah yeah the thing is if you're stuck in your home and we're talking about a situation where the food supply might be disrupted. Banning you from gardening seems to be very negative thing to do. I mean I myself if I was to be Governor. I would say yeah. Plant a garden. You know do something healthy and then with the food supply is disrupted. At least you got some got some Lettuce or tomatoes growing in your in your backyard that you could supplement your diet with but yeah. I don't think that a lot of the government's really I'm distrustful guy. So I have. I have my doubts when they when they do that type of thing batting your ability to be self sufficient because they want to sue the or alternative agenda if we WANNA make is there. Is this conspiracy theory but observation? It seems that many Democrat policies are to make you more dependent. Well looking at Governor Whitmer and I don't really know much about her but I kind of like watched her speak during the week when I was preparing for this. And you can kind of see that control-freak authoritarian streak in her. Is that you see from a lot of Democrats and from what I've heard from people in Michigan. She is one of those you know. Sort of control freak people but calculating manipulation. Let's get as many people the more people that lose jobs. In the State of Michigan the more voters will have in the future. Because we'll promise them you know free benefits housing welfare everything like that and thus the more poor people the better you think. It's like a controlled plan such as that or it's more just like you know. Well we gotta be safe right. We've got to be safe. Let's just you know ban this ben that it's better to over ban under band well without having all the facts but just go with my gut. I would say yeah. She's a control freak. But that's just going for my gut. There is value in the good old gut. Pass right. Yeah what do you think is are these measures? Is it a mistake misunderstanding? Incompetence or isn't it over plan to gain better control over the country? Let us know your thoughts at eight. Five five four five zero three seven three three. The next generation wallet is coming from Divvy. In just a few taps you'll be able to send earn spend an exchange digital money in seconds. 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What I'm saying is was caught up in the Left Right Paradigm Man. Well I'm not trying to. It's just it's just it's it's so big anymore but but at least one of them was a Democrat which is good because you know back in my day. Democrats were just people who wanted slightly more welfare spending but you know they were basically on the same page with most most things that were you know what a lot of Republicans around the same page with and you didn't have a lot of the division so you know like when you when you watch the debate you had a lot of civilian. He had a lot of civility. And you know today. They're they're spin this lack of civility and this feeds into a couple of theories that some people have been positing that there may actually eventually become a split in our country. And it's something that I'm not against. I'm I actually see America as always settled that in the civil war you know temporarily. I mean they're they're they're that one incident settled for the history of America. You cannot split I. that's what they say. I I tend to anyone talks about Balkanisation or splitting up for secession. Just a war. You know. You can't do it. It's like well last time I checked. We don't decide who is right. We who can kill more people. That's not hire determine whether or not something's legitimate or not I disagree I think I think that brute force has settled arguments in the history of Man. Any say settled arguments that determines. What's right? Well well well what what is right is depends on your point of view. I mean if you talk to a person who's a Christian versus somebody who's atheist and you ask them what's right. They may have different ideas. I mean I'm not I'm not trying to Belabor this point what I'm just saying that and I'm not and I'm not sitting here advocating violence or saying that might makes right. I'm just saying that you know. As as Robert Highlight pointed out in his book starship troopers. He made a great point saying that. Yeah Brute Force is saddled more debates okay it in in in history while I don't think the left ever talks about it that way because they're a bunch of people who don't are not very worthy project exactly they don't WanNa come down to force they want to say. Look historically it's been settled history is like you know almost science God therefore there's no succession not allowed. Yeah don't even don't even think about.

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Amy Shares: Care-frontations, Skorts, Therapy & More!!

4 Things with Amy Brown

31:43 min | 4 months ago

Amy Shares: Care-frontations, Skorts, Therapy & More!!

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There easy and safety us on multiple types which means you never have to think twice about those germs when used as directed on hard non porous surfaces kill sars cope to covid nineteen virus. A have you tuesday. Welcome to the thing. The bonus episode to the fore things podcast. And i've got my friend cat here with me cat. Defatta host of you need therapy podcast. And she's going to go over some of the emails that you have sent ten. That's what we dedicate this episode to but can always start this episode off with a quote. And i'm just going to quote you and your merch because i'm wearing a unique therapy podcast shirt and just says feel your feelings. I also have a coffee mug. That says fill your feelings. So that is our quote for today that quote feel your feelings and then coming up one listeners actually emailed me about finding a therapist and cat is a licensed therapist. I thought she was perfect to bring on for this. And i get asked that a lot and we've addressed it here on the podcast before i think cat has even maybe addressed it at some point or another. But you ever know in conversation how something might hit you differently. If if you've heard us address this before and we'll get to that question just a little bit but my first email is for taylor in california and she said hey amy i'm listening to your first thing and catch referring to last thursday's episode. Because mary was on with me for the first thing so she said i was listening to your first thing with mary about her calling you out ha sorry mary what a great friend but it got me thinking. I was really surprised to hear. You say you're insecure about aging or how your eyes look. Because when i see photos of you i would never ever have thought those things the exact opposite and i thought it was a great reminder that we can be our own worst critics and we need to be a lot nicer to ourselves and see ourselves the way others do because i can guarantee others aren't being nearly as critical of us as we may be to ourselves and if they are then well maybe we don't really care about their opinion anyways all that to say thank you for sharing that with us it encouraged me to be nicer to myself about my insecurities realizing that they probably aren't as big or noticeable as i think they are all right cat and other listeners. Backstory of that. I had been around. Mary a lot in person because of a lot of different things that were going on and she was with me and also with me during a lot of hard stuff and i think that i was just feeling down and on the inside and so what was coming out. I was looking in the mirror and just so tired looking and not happy with myself. So picking my face apart of Alex tired of old. Like what's wrong with my is this you know. And she noticed it once. She got back home to california because the people who hang out with nobody was commenting on their looks that way and so then we ran facetime on night and i said it again and she called me out on it and i was grateful for it because she didn't in a very kind way but she's like. Hey stop talking about yourself that way. I'm kind of paraphrasing. It people can go back and listen to our chat if they want to. As last thursday's episode but yeah it was just a good reminder of how you can communicate with a friend like if you notice a pattern or something going on with them and that it's okay because you're saying it in love and as a friend but then also a reminder to to not talk so badly about yourself to yourself and mare even pointed out that i've made so much progress when it comes to body and food in that area but then it's almost like it shifted into morose somewhere else which that is interesting because what we do know about body image and how we see what we look like. It's based on the intercept of messages. We have inside so how we feel is how we see ourselves and so you probably have been working a lot on being kind to yourself when you look at your body. Come into your body but you still feel that feeling because you going through something or tough or whatever that was and so those feelings come out in different ways like you just said and so that is an indicator. I would say to anybody if you find yourself being really horrible to yourself. It's indicator that might not be really what you look like. You're seeing how you feel so you see something different than icy and that's why so often a friend will be like. Oh my gosh. I looked so discussing this or that. And they'll be like what are you talking about because we see one thing and you see what you feel right is so interesting to me. The other thing though that i think is important to point out when it comes to this stuff is if you tell yourself something enough times your brain is going to start to attach to and believe it. You're teaching yourself something about yourself. So if i say will say. I bags under my eyes. I looked tired. Or i look old. If i say. I look old enough times. Eventually my brain's going to make you look old versus if i say i looked bright or look radiant or i look happy or whatever. That's actually going to be what you believe about yourself. We have a lot of power in that. Yeah and that's what i've had to lean into ever sense you know. She brought it to my attention. We were saying she called me out. That's why the listener even apologize. Sorry mary in the email. Mary's i don't like the way that sounds. I wasn't trying to call you out but it's just a in a nutshell. It sort of what happened. But she brought it to my attention. And once i was made aware of it i've been able to focus on it and i'm working hard to undo it but that's exactly what happened. It became a pattern in my brain every single day and every time i looked in the mirror. So that's what she was hearing all the time. Because that's what i was saying out loud to her and you know that's exhausting for her as a friend to hear a friend doing that but then she said to what can happen but it may not be this exact scenario. I'm just saying for other listeners. What ends up happening to those around. You is then you may cause them to then look at themselves in a weird way that they never would have thought of and then they're starting to break down if they looked tired or old and they're like well with amy feels old mold because it's like well of what amy looks like is what old looks like and i feel like amy looks younger than me than that means. I really look old if she thinks she looks old fusing and so. You don't think it's just about you. But because we are culture of comparison it becomes about all of us. Yup the other thing. I would like to say about the calling people out where i used to work. We would do it once a week. I'm like we would have a group with clients once a week. We would kind of confront each other. We called them care. Frontier is cheesy. But it's actually like what. Mary did is really kind of thing like she said. Hey care about you enough to not ignore this behavior. That feels like it's hurting you and might be also hurting me but confrontation gets such a bad reputation when really it can be a very caring loving to deal with a friend. I want my friends to tell me what they see. They see something like that. I don't want them to just like ignore it. And well and i think what would i was breaking down when i was processing. What happened again. We ron facetime. But i received it. And i think if i wasn't in a good place i would have gotten defensive and been upset but i think because i was been doing so much work and i'm in a place where i can be self reflective right now and i can look inside myself in evaluate Maybe there is some truth to that. Wasn't right away but it was on the in the time of the face. Call that. I know that i was able to say. Hey thanks for saying that to me. Yeah and it's also about delivery. She probably was mean to you and she said no the delivery really there has to be a patient care for dacian all right so next. Email is from elizabeth and south carolina. I've had people started telling me where they're emailing me from because i'm very curious. So the last one was taylor in california. Now we've moved easer to south carolina. Elizabeth said hey amy. I absolutely loved the jeans. You're wearing in your recent pimp joy photo shoot. Where are they from. And i will tell you. They are mousy vintage mou s s. y. Or maybe it's ma mousy honestly. I don't know how to say it. I'm too cool for these genes. I mean these are to switch that these genes are too cool for me. Actually kelly whose at velvets edge on instagram she got me these genes before the pandemic hit and i thought wow these are just so out there but kelly knows style was happening. Man she was way ahead of the curve. Like i'm just now to wear like okay. fine. I'll wear these. They're cool because they're the total rate leg in wide now. I wear them all the time. So i will say they are a little bit of an investment there. The odessa wide straight leg jeans those q. Thank you cute. I know that c could you imagine maybe two years ago. Oh and that's what. I tried to kelly. But she said trust me. You're gonna want these. So i think i wore them once for whatever she wanted me to wear with with heels and i felt okay with it but now i wear them with flats those because uber broke. These have now. I'm always late to the trends. But i will say if you are wanting to invest in a pair are pretty awesome. I know that made. Well has some super coupons which would be a different price point and down a little bit. You bring a pair of jeans to made. Well you get a discount if you donate They'll do a swap. You can yes. Give them your like denim to recycle. And then yes they will give you a discount and then i think it's wild fable just at target. Well i'm trying to make sure it was wild fable or i think it was. They had a wide leg. Or it's like a straight leg wide situation. I don't know exactly how to describe it. But the target had a pair as well. There's different varieties of this. Look but yeah if you go to my instagram at radio amy and you look at the bobby bones show pimp and joy photo from last week you'll see the genes that we're talking about and then maybe you can find a pair similar because yes they are very very very cute and i mean i'm not even patting myself on the back for that because i didn't pick them out and actually i was resisting them for quite some time. So thank you for the notes. Elizabeth and now cat is over here shopping percent off. But there's only one size left. Can i make a comment about genes. Yeah i've gone through this revelation the cap past couple of weeks which seems like i should have gone through this revelation earlier but this year. I decided i'm going to invest in pants. That i really think i feel good in especially jean shorts. It's summer and i've always had an issue with finding shorts that fit my body. Because of you know just how djing short-term made and this is a very simple thing but this year i said to myself i'm not going to go to a million stores and buy a million pairs of shorts and try to make myself fit in and this pair of jeans this pair of jeans jeans and get frustrated when i don't. I'm going to find a pair of jeans that i like that fit in one area of my body and then i'm going to make the genes fit me by altering them. It's a little thing but in in my head is have i for the past thirty something years been trying to fit my body into this one mold when bodies are so different. We know that all bodies an alderman shapes and sizes. It really is crazy to think that the same style and cut of one thing would be right for me and you because we're so different and that doesn't have to do with you being better than me being worse when it comes to what our bodies like so. It was very empowering for me to find a pair of jeans. Shorts like how they fit in one part of my body and then go get them take an inner altered that fit the other part of my body and now for the first time literally in my life where i have not been in active eating disorder. I was so excited to put on james joyce yesterday i love that. That's awesome and you also just posted recently about skorts. Oh my gosh skorts back. We'll one score back. But i got a score has so cute two years from now. I will be wondering. Because i'm always behind but yeah so t tell people what score is in case. They don't know we'll escort. Is it something that is. It's shorts but it looks like a skirt from the front. And i got this super cute. Gene s- court from american eagle. That i saw somebody on instagram wearing. And i'm obsessed with it it so comfortable it's stretchy. It's the best the eagle. They also have good genes. They do so does abercrombie just saying they have some mom. Even if you're not a mom you're going want the. I bought a pair of shorts from them. And it's their they said it's advertising really gets me when people use words like our number one bestseller like well okay. Then i'll get that one. I'll i guess. I need to buy it and then i'm thinking oh don't offer that but they really are awesome and they are like the mom high waisted short and they're a little bit longer in the back and then like there's a slit and so they rise up a little bit in the front but not too short so there's some options for some denim. Hopefully you can find something in there that you liked. Thank you for the email. Elizabeth mental health awareness month is a worthy thing to celebrate. 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Amy be two five hundred five hundred. all right. next note is from aaron. i don't think aaron put worshippers from won't want we'll just have to guess or not no or you can pretend you wherever she said. Hey me longtime bobby bones show listener and newer four things listener here. I'm writing. Because i wanted to see if you had any advice on how to find the right therapist. As i listened to the bobby bones show and podcast to hear you talk very about your own therapy and i know you're very passionate about your time with your therapist. I find myself in place where i think talking to. Someone would really help with some internal struggles that i'm having. There are so many options psychiatrists psychologists licensed clinical social worker etc. I was curious if you would be comfortable sharing your experience and finding someone and if you had any thoughts on the differences between all of the many options so cat. What is the difference between a psychiatrist and psychologist and a licensed clinical social worker. I actually liked that. She added that part because a psychologist a psychiatrist and a therapist or all different things. Yes a psychiatrist is somebody who goes their doctors. They go to med school. And they specialize in psychiatry like grab medicine one one hundred percent. They're great for one thing but you don't usually see a psychiatrist for therapy. A psychologist can be therapists as well. But most of the time somebody who's a psychologist is going to be more invested in research and that area than just doing one on one private practice although they can and a lot of times people that become psychologists get a master's degree in like Clinical counseling or something like that on their way to becoming a psychologist if that makes sense yep when it comes to therapy there. The main things a licensed professional counselor. So that's what i am. There is a licensed clinical social worker. That somebody you get a master's in social work and then there is a marriage and family therapist who gets their graduate and marriage and family therapy. All of those can operate as therapist. They can all we can do. Essentially the same thing but we have different backgrounds and different trainings and we are taught and invest more time in certain areas in certain things. Okay so. I know that my person that i go to my therapist now is a licensed clinical social worker. So what are you again. Licensed professional counselor. The initials at the end of our names are different. But we can do the same thing. Okay and then. There are experiential therapists. I've learned this so the person i'm seeing. She is experiential and linda. I did my intensive with. She was experiential so that for people. Because i've really personally enjoyed that. So experiential therapist. You can get extra trainings in that. But that's not like you go to school for that. So i am an experiential therapist. But i don't do that in every session with every single client. Experiential therapy just brings in metaphor and experience into the therapy room. So you're not just talking will do things like i'll get a box of scarves out and be like pick a scarf that represents how you're feeling were pick a scarf that represents your mom like linda me pick out a beanie baby yes one hundred percent or not yet or when i did adventure therapy. That was experiential. We would go out in the woods and do all these really cool initiatives and activities that mimicked the feelings we have that are going on and what we're dealing with inside makes sense and so to circle back to errands email. Like how does she best find out. Who's for her and again. This is a question. I get a lot. I know it's a question you get a lot especially being a therapist and you're on instagram. and you host. You need therapy podcast. So i know that you get this question as well. So how do you respond to it. So i have a post on unique therapy podcasts. Instagram account in. Its in the highlights. If you go to at you need therapy podcast you can find it in the highlights and it gives you a couple of steps to find somebody but basically what i would recommend anybody to do. Is i figure out. what is it that you're wanting. What do you want to to therapy for. Because yeah somebody could have the same degree in letters behind their name as me. But i might do something different where i specialize in one thing. They might specialize in another so really. Try if you can get an understanding of what you want and what you're looking for and then what i would really recommend if you can try to ask round and word of mouth referral. I think those can be the most beneficial the most helpful. Maybe if you have a friend that sees it therapist my clients all the time asked me for referrals for their friends because a lot of you don't want your friend also see your same therapist because what if you talk about each other and awkward. Yeah yeah but i have people. I can then My client their friends will go see them. So if you can find a word of mouth. That's a really really helpful way to do that. You can also look online at places like psychology today and you can look at what people say that. They specialize in when it comes to picking somebody based on psychiatrists psychologists social worker. This that whatever. If you're looking for therapy like the therapy that we talk about you're really going to be looking for a licensed professional counselor. A marriage and family therapist or a licensed clinical social worker. All three of those can do the same things. I worked at a place that half of the people were licensed clinical social workers so we did the same thing had different backgrounds. And you might have to go try it out. Yes with people or there are resources online. Where therapy is becoming more accessible. And you might find someone that you can do. Virtual sessions with that mean sometimes even just talking things out helps. Oh much but you wanna make sure you vibe with the person and i've honestly had therapists before. I just thought you know i just don't end up going back because it's not a good fit and then i find the right person and i know it's a good fit but i'm still having to put in a lot of work effort because that's not fun. Starting that process over because there is a lot that they need to get to know and understand about you and that takes times. You have to be patient. It's not something that's just going to be quick fix or you think you can go a couple of times and wallah. I think that you'll have sessions where you walk out feeling better. Sometimes you have sessions where you walk out feeling really heavy. And i'm like oh feel like we just unpacked some stuff but then hopefully the next week you can start putting some of it back together but i guess my thing with that is. It's nothing's overnight and it's it's ongoing work. I think there are different seasons in your life where you may need it more than others and in your therapists may tell you. It's appropriate to take a break. You know. I read that book. Maybe talk to the one lori gottlieb. And i think in there she talked about. And maybe you might remember. Because i know you read it too but that yeah there comes a time where the therapist even feels it to that like. Hey we're on. We're kinda done so your your free Be bird highway and also like you can be done with what i can offer you and maybe you need somebody else. And that's only two things one there so much power and being okay with taking the initiative to find their. That's right for you and not feeling like the first person you go and talk to has to be your therapist now. If you were going to not go back after the first session. I would encourage you to dig deeper into that because sometimes people just get scared and walk away but i also think it's okay to say like that didn't feel right. That wasn't a match for me. So often i think people go back because they feel bad for us. The therapist and i would offer. You don't have to worry about that. 'cause we can take care of ourselves and a good therapist will not take it personally because we know we're not the best fit for everybody and then the other part is when it's time to terminate therapy or transition or whatever you wanna say is yeah. Our goal isn't for you to come forever. Our goal is for you at one point not need us and so it's actually a really cool conversation when a client tells me. Hey i think i'm ready to go. I'm ready for something else. That also is not something that as a therapist we should be taking personally. Because that's a good that means we did our job. Essentially right. yeah yeah no. That's i mean is good for people to understand the full process that it not. You don't have to be scared of like if you sign up for therapy the now you're signing up for something the rest of your life with that person. Might i have a therapist. And i'll see her. I saw her for like three years. Probably once a week or every other week and now i see her. When something's going on i'll go see here for a couple of weeks in a row and then i'll take a break like i still have in my life and she's really helpful and i really really adore her value her but i don't have to see her every single week and she's okay with that too. That's like the point. Yeah well so. Good luck with that on. Thank you for the email aaron. I know it's a big leap to start something like that. So we just wanna send encouragement your way and in the meantime to you could also listen to. I mean shameless. Plug here for catholic. You could also listen to her podcast. It's not a replacement for therapy by any means but there are a lot of great resources on that instagram page for the podcast and then in the podcast itself with different interviews and talks and topics that cat brings up so check it out. subscribe rate and review. You need therapy podcast. Thank you cat is on my podcast network. By the way in case you didn't know. But i'm thankful to have her on there. Because i think cat is really awesome. She's very smart. I think she delivers things in a really easy to understand way. And i was honored to have you come aboard the podcast with lisa. Heym who has a podcast called true theus life and you're about to go on that too. I am as well so cat. And i will both be going to be on says podcast. The truth is life which i should subscribe rate and review to that blood gas do and then lisa co host outweigh together which is going to be having a baby soon so there might be some episodes cat where you and i r- i would love hosting outweigh together. Love that All right last and final which is the fourth email is from colleen Again no no no city but yes in case you are a new listener. I'd love to hear while your name and where you're from and then you can sign the email your friend because we're gonna say calling from arizona. Oshii is okay so quick question this morning. You mentioned the cell phone that has been working for your daughter. I looked it up. But i was in the middle of getting ready and i need the cell name again because i tried to pull it back up on my browser and it was gone so i guess she has a son and it's summertime and he's gonna be around the neighborhood and hanging out with friends so if you are looking to get your kid a cell phone what we gave. Our daughter is the gab. Wireless so i pulled something from their website and says gob wireless is dedicated to providing a safe cell phone for kids know really a safe cell phone for kids. No internet no social media. No games no worries so boring. I know but it's a cell phone as supposed to right and so she's able to call us if she needs to call us now full disclosure. My daughter does have an ipad. That has a certain games on it. Really we got that for her because she really wanted this procreate which is an art app. She loves art and drawing colouring and then from there she does have access to you. Text and facetime with certain people. But it's linked up with an iphone that my husband and i have so we can see every single interaction happens on that ipad because that's not the main purpose of it but she does have certain apps on there but no social media. She doesn't have instagram or anything. I don't know when that day will come mean she's fourteen so we're just kind of feeling some stuff out but she has adopted she's only been in america three and a half years so she's a little bit behind thank goodness socially and emotionally and stuff like that so even though she's fourteen i don't feel like i'm dealing with what some other parents a fourteen year olds might be dealing with. You know what i'm saying. So they've over that. But the gab. Wireless it looks kind of like an iphone. So it's not like a cheesy kid. Phone look childish and i think that that's helpful because you you know a fourteen year old doesn't want to be embarrassed. They're cute little like frog zone. That can call three people you know like she's or like what we is like a brick nokia walkie-talkie well. I didn't even what i had. When i when i was a pager. A we didn't even have you wanna picture. Yeah she well. I go back to that. And i'll be like you have to find find a payphone or school phone and just look like an iphone. It does yeah. I mean and i feel like we've been super happy with it. So calling gab wireless. Hopefully that's something you can check out for your son and thanks for the email. All right thank you. Everyone is listening for sending in notes. Love hearing from you. Four things with amy brown at g mail dot com is where you can send emails and if you want something to end up on the fifth thing i just ask that you put v thing in the subject line whether you have a question or something encouraging you wanna share with us or a quotes where anything because i mean i feel like we're our own community here and we all help each other out so you may have some wisdom that i can read and share to someone else listening and it may be exactly what they needed to hear so i love hearing from. Y'all appreciate all the notes. And then i know we were talking about cell phones in ages. But you you're younger than me. Like i had a pager. You probably never had a paycheck. What year were you born. Eighty nine eighty nine. Okay well i was asking 'cause we put out our board near sweat shirts and they're super cute. We only had a few years to begin with but just a heads up. So you'll know we have thirty three years now. Available eighty-nine is available. Eighty one available sixty nine available lead up. My sister came was born in sixty nine like. I don't know that. I really wanna wear that on a sweatshirt but we've sold like ten so there's ten sixty nine torture that we're kind of didn't think anybody was going to buy sixty nine because it's included. Yeah they do. it's there to sell. We have yet ninety one which could be good because a lot of people turning thirty this year. The eighty one's for people turning forty. Oh and oh one so check them out if you want to those are up at shop s blah dot com and. You'll have a great week and we will see you on thursday by by cat. Cat default everybody thank you. You can clap for yourself to by okay so food can be something that brings families together especially if you spend time in the kitchen with your kids and if your kids are showing interest then why not nourish that with radish kids. You can give your child the skills and the confidence. They need to discover foods that they love. 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Para-Ramblings Roundtable | BONUS

Hysteria 51

53:39 min | 1 year ago

Para-Ramblings Roundtable | BONUS

"The shape I'm disturbed incredible. I think we're getting into a weird area. You can't handle the truth through these fifty one. The truth is out. Find detail coming for you. Look that has one of them now. Here's about been awhile since I've had a full house and I feel like it's actually just been merely gasser. John and I guess for a long time. I've got three people hearing no you this week and I hate you for an art. We brought you back in for two weeks because you're glutton for punishment the hey guys if you listen previously to our FLATWOODS MONSTER. Evanston art from Mr Bonkers. Conspiracy time podcast. I I can't say I made it that long just so I could confuse you brands. Like what would fuck up is parrot is art. Thanks for what's been going on. Hey Man not much You know I heard you ringing that bell on so I thought this is kind of like a hotel. So I've been here and hysteria studios kind of haven't left waiting outside with Joepat. We don't let joe inside but it's cold. It is unseasonably. I think would be the word us. Oh Yeah and unseasonably unpleasant. We have assistant ray. He sitting in on the Mike. Ray I mean that that's enough and now I will say is usually unpleasant. Sounds about right. That's right so what's up with you ray. Other than so. We got you working on hysterically one. We got you working on sad times. We're going to have you working on rat or fad Which is new. Show that producer. Leeson I haven't come out well else. Can we explain you? I don't know but you will find a way somehow. I'm sure we will. What are your kidneys? Look like are they good? What about your liver I think CBA hasn't got those when you guys. I want to do an episode on the black market and I want it to be a well researched episode and I feel bad if I haven't sold something on the black market. Well I can see. He's only got something from me. I'm sure as your gallbladder there your liver spleen everything's good. Se by often. Why woke up next to me? He goes you know what don't even ask so. I I just follow his thinking. That's probably the best but the man of the hour someone we brought in someone that I wanted to have on it. We've been talking about this. I got Ron and I. We're far buddies. Is that the best we? We met a local watering hole. Called the James Joyce have had some fascinating. Conversations have run. What's going on my main first of all an absolute pleasure to be here. It's a beautiful basement the studios. This is an attic. I'm sorry you already lion to ours. I think it's the white wine. It's really cool to be here because I'm just like this guy who's been off their paranormal radar. And now I'm experiencing this firsthand your thoughts with that with a thing on my head and like yours and I got. You said he said Do. I really have to wear the headphones I said. Of course I'm like really blown away by the whole thing because it's really cool up until now you were like if I'm gonNA come over here and it's just GonNa be a phone in like a room. I I was really Kinda Shit face at the Joyce for came over here and But seriously I I really is looking forward to this and I've always been into this in. It's really cool to hang out with you guys. Yeah well that's really exciting to have you because the thing that we always talk about is paranormal. That's been our our conversations and that's something that's kind of followed you around your whole life. Where would you say was the jumping off point? Or what stars you. What was there an Aha moment where you go this stuff? Something I'm into. Yeah so I mean great question. I'm fifty one years old so I'm not old but I'm not young. You're in the we don't care about you age group in the No. Thanks Pal. No I'm there to you know it's like you're not young. You're not you're not. You're just in the what's going to happen. Yeah okay whatever okay boomer daiki about dinky so the bottom line is in third grade in first of all. I. I've been lucky enough to live on both both coasts. Yeah so I lived in California and Virginia Real quick which one's better between the two young I would say I'd say Virginia. Well I'm right on own opinion. I mean California just more expensive California listeners. There Yeah Yeah. Rei ever lived anywhere other than I've been Chicago born and raised in the never left some from beverly. I was born in Beverley but I lived my father's a retired navy captain so I loved around. You Know Air Your Navy Brat Navy Brat. So it's it's been good but my first real experience of of of realizing that I loved the paranormal was Pleasanton California Pleasanton California is a suburb of San Francisco. Okay Okay and Mrs Pike. My third grade teacher makes landing there. Is that the Big in San Francisco or making that up. You're making no so Mrs Pike Guy Immediate I. Yeah that's hard but Mrs Pike Actually. Act All the children boys and girls. Can you draw picture? And we're all like yeah Sorolla into it. And of course the girls draw UNICORNS and laying grunting and in in the boys. The boys draw baseball players. And football's whatever the hell they drew and then. I drew a lot ness monsters. I remember I remember giving it missiles. And she's like Mrs. Zia we need to have a conversation about Ronnie. Yeah so she was like Okay so I said this is what I love and so I was. I was lucky enough to actually visit it. Loch Ness Scott. Upper the highlands in Scotland. Noaa now did you have a sword. When you're in the sort 'cause there can only be one so you know why did ask them to not take a SIP. A white wine here. It's not a spitzer wine. I did ask them to Is it okay to steal some rocks? That were submerged in the water and they were fine with it anyways so that that third grade you know like I said fifty one. I don't know how it was. It was like probably nineteen seventy four. Seventy five hundred. But that's what I really Kinda got into. Yeah so you had a an interest or an inkling early on you guys. You know did you ray. When did you kind of think that you're interested in the paranormal Probably around two thousand four or five. So when he was in around the fifth grade pre-owned Close Golem. Get your weather really been. Yeah no you wouldn't even have been in fifth grade. We all know it'd be like what are we going to get his third the same age as you know agree on it. Yep around. I still think he's in third grade. Yeah what about you you know? I visited Scotland as and we went on a ghost tour there and that was pretty. I mean that was. That was pretty scary. I was easily scared by that. They went like you know underground catacomb thing. We did that but like as far as you know supernatural paranormal stuff. I've never had a a Actual experience myself but I'm definitely interested in it. It kind of freaks me out a little bit. Like I'm definitely a superstitious and scared of it so I don't know if I can pick a particular instance. I grew up in a house that we had weird things happening. You know I grew up. I lived in the middle of nowhere and we are surrounded by cornfields cattle and the edge of property was a cemetery. So that's a lot of people are like. I don't even want to go to your house. 'cause you live out there and then we had things happen. You know you hear things lights. Go on things. Go Missing and show back up. But you can't explain things fall off walls or move and stuff like that and as you're a child I realized with my family. We didn't talk about it until I was a little older. Still at home you know but like a teenager and not even a teenager but not like four or five six seven eight. We were talking about it because everyone's having experiences but you don't you don't know what to say or you're kind of embarrassed or you don't. WanNa talk about it and then I learned very fast. You don't tell people outside of the house because they don't believe you WanNa talk about it unless you find the right people that are willing like you. You know round it to to be able to talk about stuff like that but I haven't lived all over like you have you know you've you've well. You know huge Places you you said you lived in Norfolk Virginia to another place Big Navy Navy Yard Sir. Have you ever had an experience? So yeah I mean so. I've always been in the paranormal sincere grade. It's a definite blessing. I really do feel passionate about it. I just never thought a haunting. I'll clarify that in a second. I'd never thought would happen to me. I always thought it would be kind of like A professional wrestling. You're fascinated with it. You'll watch it from afar. Yeah you know what stage but it was extremely fun thing to watch right. But you never. It would actually happen to you. And I did. And so a Norfolk. We had we did not have a haunting. We had a Poltergeist very different very different. We've actually we did the episode Too terribly long ago with all the different types of offerings and how poltergeist. So what was your experience so we had several experiences. Poltergeists like you know for the audience. I'm sure they know already. But they're listening to you because you know what you're doing. Everyone's got a first episode. I am not so sure. He knows what he is talking about with. Anita yes exactly exact- so so haunting 's obviously forever but poltergeists are temporary. We had a poltergeist in eleven. Await Main Noli Avenue in Norfolk Virginia. Some would you said son of a bitch. That's my dog. I tell you what I had the greatest damn childhood Iran in larchmont Norfolk Virginia. And by the way Reagan. Outspent the Soviets and that's how we won the Cold War and so the eighty eighties. The eighties were fantastic. Decade of excess. Everything was. Did you ever care about anything other than nuclear war? Nuclear was Kinda big but I was telling them. This'll kind of put things into perspective for you in recently as talking about how when I was in school you know we did the duck and drills because I ever went to get your desk will save you from a nuclear. What are you talking about yeah? You're fine yeah we're drills no NATO drills you go out in the hallway. There's no way you do the Turtle Position. No no you. Don't we got time with that ray? Within our school wanted to kill us. Which is true. I'm going to be honest. Everyone stand next window grab rain. Tornado drill can't beat a desk. Ray You go outside. You're the spotter. So yeah so so Norfolk Norfolk Virginia. We moved there in one thousand nine hundred. Seventy eight right. After Star Wars Star Wars came on seventy so so we came out and seventy eight. I love that that is your measuring post. Yes W before star wars. Everyone's everyone's match. Where does that after the battle of your oven? I don't know I'm just saying seventy seven is everyone's you know star wars is everyone's history Biegel. Yeah exactly so poltergeists in Norfolk Virginia Beautiful colonial home We were lucky to be in a really Nice House in a beautiful neighborhood. I'm a big Halloween guy and it was just great. Halloween neighborhood for folks who are out there who think about Halloween and love Tober. It was perfect so we were just like there was like four incidents occurred. So now we're getting down to you know. This is where the rubber meets the road. If you listen are flatwoods monster. Those are the gummy deposits that are inconceivable. Desert Watch for local BOYS IN THEIR TRACTORS. So my my understanding from our home is that there were two owners and the first owner was under gear old own and the first owner was her name was Mrs Robinson so it was like right out of Sarma Garfunkel but the bottom line was she died in when she died they had back in back in those days. They would have the week in the home paramount overlook the body. Yeah exactly so southern Virginia. If you've never been the southern Virginia summer it's it's a wet blanket so you know the wakes are pretty hard core and so the body starts you know. Mellon like a body does any who so we're the second owners and I experienced these things that I'd never experienced in my life and up until today I've never experienced. So one of the first experiences was always get very unsettled by being in the house by Myself. I I lived in Pleasanton. I lived in Monterey a lived in Pensacola Eleven. Coronado lived all over the in places if people want to want to end up. Yeah Norfolk whatever Virginia beach but I never experienced and so there was several occasions or I actually had. I wanted to be outside. I didn't want to be in the house. You know. Why are you just I? I didn't know why because I didn't feel good internally and a buddy of mine came over. He said who is your grandma here in. What are you talking about? Because my mom and dad and my brother were out one brother. They're out shopping or whatever they're doing and My buddy came over and I said what's up. I WANNA get out of the house. And he was reading. I was reading newspaper because I did not want to be in the house and I said WHO's your grandma. And it wasn't known so now so did he see her in a window. Sar knew she was staring out at him. An old lady was staring out of him. And why would you do that? Why would you say that it made no sense so we let us normal things like as a your grandma or something? That's what kid would say. Absolutely yeah so so you would smell you know how your mother smells the perfume You would smell things that would not that. It's not your mom but it smells like someone was there in the House with you. Yeah exactly and then now you're around art. That would've been shit because he would've shit himself of a I don't deny it have you smelt. It dealt it. Yeah but I mean the worst. The worst incident was once again. This is echoing to the whole poltergeists thing. I was in a guest room in our house. My father was see a lot. 'cause Navy captain and whatever but he was out at sea and I was sleeping in the guest room by myself for the reason. My brother was in the room and it was a nightmare. I just saw cross. I know that sounds crazy but I saw cross on the on the wall and it was just like I was counting down from ten to one gets really there. You know we're is like you've heard of nightmares. Yeah but you've heard of night terrors. Right right this was a night. Terror night terrors are much different. If you ever had one. Don't have one and so to sell. I had I had that and my came in. The bed was literally shaking. This is Linda Blair. You know me as like it was like the the bed was shaking. I screamed at the top of my lung. Semi Mom came out and she opened the door and she said to bring her. Now she's like seventy two. She's she's in good health. She said Yeah. The bed was shaking so there was there was something going on now. The question was it focused on you a new alone in the house. Or was everyone experiencing now go either way a lot of times a great question? I would say it's focused more on make Ricky my brother didn't really experience anything. Mom Did Dad's always been like a bullshit but No now yeah. I think it was more focused on me to be honest with you. Tell you what let's break real quick and when we come back. Let's keep this going because that is a A terrifying way to live your life as a child. Let's head to break right back. We're going to keep that going on hysteria. Fifty one hello hysteria nation. We ARE AREN'T ANDY FROM MR BUNKERS. Conspiracy Time podcast and we've hacked into. Sebok because we need your help each week. The illusionary masterminding conspiracy theorist Mr Bunker AB- ducks and forces us to podcast about conspiracies paranormal activity. Ufo's all things bizarre. If you listen to new episodes every Wednesday we might just be able to stop Mr Bunker find us at Mr bunkers conspiracy. Time dotcom apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. I think CIBA's onto us. We gotTA GET. Outta here so what run was getting at is. That house was not clear. This house clear or is it clean. This House is clean. That house wasn't clean so he said like six weeks. Did it stop or did you move? Because you're moving a lot because you're in well I mean we weren't yeah. We didn't move a lot. I mean we were lucky. Might my father again. He's a navy so you don't know what's going to happen so when you're a child you don't think about role. Yeah exactly. So he An Admiral Marin Admiral Saint Louis sent him to the coast Japan and that would have been a big deal. But now we stayed in Norfolk for twenty years. Were you in the House the whole time? Yeah so that was like it was one of those things where it happened and then when it stopped at stop it yeah six. Do you know anything about the woman that had lived there. Did you ever find anything about her? I just knew about our from neighbors. Yeah she was older lady while so you said six weeks. Was it kind of those? Where you just you newest six weeks or you're just saying well let's that was a short time between the two loves it okay. Baltic we both go to the James. Joyce I'm one of the things that is famous for is it is a A haunted bar in the Chicago land area and they actually do a thing called spirits with spirits. There I've done that. My my co hosts. John has done that. They come in and you've done that. You actually guys didn't an investigation in the bar afterwards. Right that all hang started with me and my wife Charlotte going to Galena. Which is one of my favorite tells the entire World Galena Illinois and so we went to a bar. Is that where we get? The F- The Geneva Sarah we got. What is that stuff called Taffy Carmel? I have no idea what's going on my life. All over to Brent. You're overdue buddy. I tell you where I'm going next to Uranus Missouri for the Fudge. I've known you a long time. Yeah I just thought you'd be more intelligent. I get that a lot. We yeah everyone did. Yes Yup Yup. And he's a he's a special guy. That's what that's what they wrote on all my paperwork right. He's special. I feel very special. You have to go out of your way with. So yes you do. The investigation at the joint. Oh yes so we did we but but it started with Galena Illinois and Galena Illinois if folk. All you young hockey players out there if you don't know about Galena Illinois it's fantastic. It's beautiful it's haunted L. And it's just wonderful. Wonderful Throwback to old times is great spot so we we bumped into these folks who did this They did go sunny. And it's called all seeing paranormal and I'm going to throw out their name. 'cause they're great and Colleen Carroll Yeah Colleen actually when I did my spirits the spirits she led that and As part of the the also paranormal. Yeah she's she's solid man. I mean she's she knows what she's done now. Did you get a happy ending when you did? Your spirits. Fear talking to my job. Yeah I did not and I didn't know those were expected. Am I confusing that with something else too? I don't know Lisa yells a meal. No I didn't get a handwriting. And I you know I think that'd be Kinda mean I wouldn't find it you heartache. So you're serious. You're England you meet them. Yeah so I met them but there were there were only dealing with northwest Illinois. So they're like screw you Berlian Illinois Chicago. I'm rivercenter so I'm sorry. Confused you cross Ariella do not right. You've ever ciders and Berlin of a big difference there man. You know we got. We got skokie over here to yourself. I got more taxes than new so the bottom line was it was cool. We had a great conversation. Colleen went over the joys and we did go. Start a legitimate goes. Something we started at three in the morning ended at six thirty. Just staying up to have that hunt would kill all my God. We had some Guinness. It was great you are in a bar. You're the best Pora Guinness scissor. I think I heard something upstairs. Go back at the bar. Oh look what fell in mcgladdery was fantastic and the bottom line is first of all for all you guys out there James. Joyce Irish pub is easily the best Irish pub in Chicago. There's not anti everyone's family there and the the owners Colin and Chalky. They're fantastic and they have some. So here's the thing that blew my mind is. It was around Halloween time of last year. They do decorations. And they have these You know the fake cobwebs and stuff that they put up they have some and chalky actually got this on film. He taped it the one by the door. And it's not like you've seen those move when when blows them when stuff like that. It's like someone. Is Yankee it down violently and everyone's there and there's one of the guys at the bars like Your Guy. I've seen stuff like that before. Knock it off like one of the guys drinking at the Bar. Just like some random. He's like we're not doing that. You know and that was one of the things like you can't really explain. That you know is so weird and I'm not. I know it sounds weird when you say. Yeah AF- Akaba was blowing in the breeze. No not at all. That's not what was going on and a lot of people will have said that when they go back by the bathroom they get touched or someone like that pushes them but like you know Not In the way that you think when you go to the back of the lead producer. Lisa's laughing like yeah. You go to the bathroom and some grabbed you. You don't say she just paces back there waiting for it to happen please. That's me? Yeah Yeah it's interesting spot and and people you need to go to their website and talk about so many people will come in there and be like is this place haunted is like why are you saying that. I feel something or or whatever yeah other. There's definitely something going on there. I used to go to the red lion pub right across from the bygrave theater and you would have folks come in October Eissa. Do the Chicago tourist thing so me and somebody's would just walk around taking pictures. Yeah I I'VE BEEN LIVING IN CHICAGO FOR OVER THIRTY YEARS. I was born here but navy breath and so it was cool going to a bar that was haunted And you ask anybody who was there listening you ask anybody who's ever been red lion the old red lion. Yeah I mean the fours are slanted. It was just. It was cool to see your your old neighborhood. Bauer that's which is crossed by a bag for dillinger. Got You know shot up. It was great spot so the energy there is really saying. That's insane out right so I'll be. We would go to the second floor where that's where the scores. Really Change. And you would see what everyone's talking about. Yeah and it. Was it what you felt something? Yeah it was different so that's cool. Last time I felt the bar to drink piss myself what had happened so Yeah Colleen Carroll. I'll seeing paranormal. Yeah she came out to the Joyce and She always told me never pay for go center. That's fantastic. I had a buddy who used to do stuff too and he said you know people that want to get paid for this exactly they go in sometimes when you help you do things they tip you. That's fantastic and things like that but this shouldn't be something that you're you're you're not the ghostbusters coming in and you know using their proton packs to zip it all up get out of there right just like my free cat extermination business. Yeah that's that's a little bit different there buddy Not Not exactly ghosts art. I don't know if you know he's well see but has problems. I'm aware yeah so we've talked to Ray on the show before about. He's you know he's had some experiences. You haven't had anything at all in your life. Now this is probably the norm right. That's the norm. I would assume so. I don't know I mean you know. I'm I'm very skeptical of a lot of things and the tangible if you can't put your never experienced that before you know I've I've been. I've tried to go to haunted places and stuff but again you know what he's getting at Ron is he's calling you a liar and I'd like you to to fight but that's that's that's great. No that is true because it is a thing a lot of people. If you haven't experienced something you can't wrap your mind around the intangible unless you have an and even then you know we have least. We're talking to a gentleman who spends his. He owns an old hospital. That you tours there you can do. Investigations is named Josh Herd. Goes even I who make my living off this? Someone tells me a story and I allowed time going year. We're eight eagles. What am I doing you know? But that's just where your mind goes. it's unfortunate or not. But you know I mean you know it's okay. It's okay to be a skeptic at if you've never experienced it that's fine. Yeah exactly and it is in. They need skeptics. And something that you were. I think you said this before too is every before we started every ghost hunting crew. Everyone is doing. It needs to have that. Skeptic doesn't believe on board with them absolutely you know they. They should be an absolute employees. Your ghost hunting. It's such. It's something that we talk about lot in the UFO field. You're trying to scientifically prove the existence of something but a lot of people that are the yes men get very upset when you talk science and you go well. This is not an observable repeatable thing or this can be explained away by X. Y. Z. They go go. Fuck yourself no. That's not how this works like you can't just believe I believe in my heart. Well that's fine but that's different when we're talking about something that like is this a material from spaceship is this You know that thing up in the sky is it actually a spaceship or if you can look and we know that at that time a blimp was flying over it was probably that blimp. You know what I mean and so many people just want to not believe or want to believe so hard that they fall into the wrong category. And there's bad as a skeptic so you gotta have that Happy Medium and to your point Brent you also gotTa Watch out for the Griffey's too and you're kind of talking about that. The People WanNa take advantage of people believe in this stuff you know. They want to pay have paid to go hunt. Go for a nominal I can come in here and do XYZ thing that. I it makes you think of the the television evangelists and the people that milk every society for what they are right right now. It's not but that's human nature You Never WanNA turn it back. And everyone's got an angle usually. Let's take a break. We're good when we come back. Let's let's talk about the spooky stuff out in outer space. I don't know if there's anything out there. Let's talk aliens Kovac on hysteria fifty one low. This is Michael From Penny Haven. What is Penny Haven? You ask well. Penny haven is my youtube channel on this channel. I share with the viewer. Some awesome coins from my collection and the new ones. I pick up every week. I also have a bunch of informative videos that show you what to look for in your own pocket so you can realise the worth above face value in circulated money. I'll teach you how you can get silver coins for free or at face value. I'll even tell you how you can get a free piece of gold in the mail. Absolutely free and beautiful so come on over. Subscribe watch my playlist of informational videos or anything that catches your eye. Send me an email to find out how to get some free gold and start getting the most out of your money so please go to YouTube dot com and search for penny haven. That's P. E. N. N. Y. H. A. V. E. N. on Youtube Gentleman. I think before we head to the outer space one of the things we were talking about to run clairvoyance. That's a hobby topic. We we've talked about before we talked about a little bit with show. Kosta and clairvoyance. You've had a couple issues and I want to bring up. It's something that Leeson. I have talked about a lot with clairvoyance and I wanted to tell a little story. So couple weeks goes. She has a dream. She tells me she goes. I woke up. She woke up. She's like I'm driving a truck and it's on fire it's all engulfed in fire and. I'm like it's okay. It's okay everything's okay. And she goes all of a sudden. There's eggs next to me. And she's eating these eggs and the rotten and then she's like. Oh my God I gotta pull the chuck over. She wakes up. That's paraphrasing it. So she tells me that. And you're like okay that day. She's on her way to work and she had had a meeting so she was Ubuntu Work Uber and they come up on a food truck on the side of the road totally engulfed in flames. She's like did I dream of this. Like she had a dream of a liquor delivery truck. She was driving eating food while was on fire. Is that like an example of that? Would you know? Or Or. Where's your mind? Go with that. I don't know either new fad diet after flaming out of a truck Rodney. What's your what's your. What's your experience with clervoy thing about clairvoyance to me is that you sound like you're a batch crazy right right right and I've always kind of straight away from Sour Patch about me. Thank you very much But I mean the thing is I've had a couple episodes that were interesting. Yeah I can't explain them but like I had a buddy in high school Addison norsworthy very interesting name. Addison norsworthy needs a letter at the beginning and a junior at the end like G. S. ignores very junior. Addison norsworthy norsworthy. That's a stately name. I mean he was a great guy. I didn't know him that well. But he's like cool cat and I knew him in high school so about how many years it was but it was like I I thought about them in other Bluh Bluh like came into my head and I said all right. Let's look up Addison because everyone can look up everyone And he died. He died like a week. Before Cesar that weird it's kind of popped e popped into my head and old high school pal but he. He died in a car crash. And you're like what the fuck like what's going on universe. Why are you giving your lucky? We're live in the time of the day were. The world is so small you can look up. People like that. Similar thing happened to my father before he passed he was in the had been in the army and he was stationed in Germany and he was like I was thinking about this guy. I wonder we look online. And see if you know. If he's on facebook I just got my down on. Facebook will looked up and he died like the month before and my dad's like a wonder why he was on my mind. Like maybe like it was weird. Like he's just telling you like I I. I don't know like it's weird. It's weird and it could also you know. Of course it could be just a coincidence. But it's a hell of a coincidence. It's so weird that you think of someone like that by desert. I hadn't thought about him in years and years and years and then he pops into my mind. Well Charlie. Trotter was another one of all of all people Charlie trotter the world famous chef. I thought Charlie Trotter died and then the next morning he died so it was like what Ron powers. When you talk about your pre cog honest to God. That was the wizard one kill. And I'm not. I'm not listen I I. It's that's the thing about clairvoyance. It sounds so psycho no it does it though because it's because I think everyone's had little things like that that they don't realize are maybe possible. Yeah or little coincidences a little Mandela affect episodes or whatnot. I mean you know I was just GonNa say that I killed George Burns and Jessica Tandy in the same manner. What do you mean I mean the same thing like I I had a whole time. There was a couple years where my mom would tease me about it. Because it would be like like you know what I wonder if Jessica Tandy is alive and that time we didn't have the Internet. Just go pop up and look and like the next day it'd be like on the News Jessica Tandy died today and that happened like I forget who else I know. It was and granted. Some of those people were older people but I thought it was really weird like and I never really told a lot of people that thought they think I was out of my mind but I mean I'm not trying to claim that it was or wasn't anything I'm just saying I I I get that whole thing. You know unlike the dream stuff so I don't know that's my two cents today right. You're welcome. Ron Is that your definition of clairvoyance. I mean is kind of having a premonition like a dream. I think it's I think it's I think it's definitely predicting something you don't know what it is but you can predict it so you can be one step above it. That's that's what clairvoyants to me is and I guess the next step would be tapping into how do that. And then not predicting but influencing ice pick for that. I don't I don't think it's influencing no. I'm saying that would be the next logical step would be right. I'm sure here's the thing the. Us government study clairvoyance for decades. And then when they say they stopped. They didn't the minister coats. It's a literally a true story about what they did. You know the remote viewing Psychic warfare everything that you can think of is things that they've talked about and it's interesting. How if there was nothing to it. Why did they spend so much money on it but then again it is the US government so it would make sense if they spent so much money when there's nothing to it so it's two sides of a coin you know it is something that they at least really really really put a lot of stock into? It's it's stuff that came from. It started with scientology and the the the people that were these these feeding levels thinking levels. I'm going to say the wrong anyway. People like how put off were were studying it and then those people went and they worked with the CIA as you know these psychics by building things and now that someone who is on the board with TSA to the Stars Academy and these are the people that are making claims that they have materials that are from extraterrestrial craft. And if you guys have seen the the the the piece of of slag it looks like metal. They came from Extracur- Crafts Art Bell a couple of decades ago. He gave it to Linda Moulton. How she's now sold part of it to to the Stars Academy you know. All these things are intertwined and I. It's it's fun and exhausting to try to put your mind around in the interesting in futile in the same way to try to figure out Where everything goes and how how? It all intertwines. But it's interesting you know and everything like you saying from clairvoyance to to aliens in the the outer space is all my brand butter. Wants the way it goes. What's your over under our nose. Speaking of you know we've talked about. We've talked about And I want to ask you to. Are there no rain? I've talked about this a lot. Ronald Start with you from the paranormal. We've talked. Do you believe to twofold question number one. Is there life out there and you can explain what you think it is if there is has it reached us as has been here. Well I'm I'm I'm I've been in finance for twenty eight years. I meant numbers. How can not be a statistical improbability that they're not be right? Yeah I mean seriously I mean come on. There are more stars than there are pieces of sand earth that's a staggering thing to think about. So yeah there's there's there's definitely life out there but we the the problem is you can find it. How do you have a lot of technology? I guess you know so but we can't find and it's so far out there. It's the universe man amidst like the Milky Way. Yeah you ever see that you ever see that. Picture of the Hubble telescope where Zuma blackspot no no no no no black spot in just the hobble telescope of different galaxies. There's a picture. They took the Hubble on a down time and they put it onto what they call the dark spot is the spot where there was no white. They thought and they let it run for. I forget how long exposure picture and it came back and there's literally just thousands of galaxies in that spot. The couldn't see that is a staggering thing to think about where you add on that as far as aliens existing. Yeah well like do you believe. There's life period. Yeah there's there's definitely gotTA be other life forms out there in some manifestation. I mean there's there's the idea that they That some kind of like Microscopic organism was on a meteorite. That crash landed here and it was the spark. It has this thing that can store tons of DNA. So there's the idea that were the culmination of lots of inland. But I agree with you. Like statistically there's probably got to be something as far as if they've been here maybe some will fund one talk and that's the big thing. That kind of is the the pitchfork in you apologize. I guess is like do you believe that it's out there and there or do you believe it? They're actively visiting us. And you know you look. It's the the Fermi paradox and all these things we talked about like if there's life whereas of that well time is a grand equalizer in one way or another time is what you know. It takes a long time to go a long distance. Even if you become spacefaring saying that that is to believe that we're not breaking the while physics or bending them in a way that wormholes and things like that are statistically possible. You Know Science says they are bent whether we can harness them and use them. That's a big difference. But even if millions of years ago another galaxy had a planet that got to the point where they could traverse base. They can still be coming here and we went now they might be coming here to look for dinosaurs because that's what they saw then they get here and we're here in the like what what's going on. We missed them again. I like to think that they intercepted some hysteria. Fifty one. And they're coming for you. That are that NUDIE PIC. We sent with directions to our planet like we're just literally on the gold disc is like pictures of naked and how to get here. It's like what are we doing a recall. It's like the lack recall from beyond grinder. Just say I just I just think that we need to focus more earth now. There are lookout. I'm not talking about like the whole like you know. Global warming thing. I'm talking about like the fact that we're even thinking about the there are no. Ufo's a tail lights. That's blinking her. No you foes but tail light okay. Yeah Yeah Yeah so I mean say. Let's just focus on what's going on. I think a lot of the things that people see and can't explain a lot of times to our black project aircraft. I actually had an experience when I was younger and I. It was until very recently I figured out what it was. I was in a pool at night. And we're all just having having some drinks hanging dipping. Yeah me and sixteen or seventeen in my lady friends. Just you know cabinet and no but we see a white across the sky and it goes boom boom in it flash different colors in it like shutout what. I would call but Colori Mr something like that took off and we're all just standing like what the hell was. That will come to find out after talking to somebody worked in black projects. It was a ramjet engine which is still something that's classified and what they call it is it makes the after burn. Looks like donuts on a rope and at night. It'll light up the tail lights because they have the blinker lights and it will make those those doughnuts. Look like they're different colors so to me. It was exploding out colors. And it's going to. It was a ramjet engine at low altitude and I was like. That's what it for years. I saw a ufo because a really afo is just something that's unidentified. I think the the problem is people mainly alien. And that's not the case even though it's fun to go that way yeah but that was something where I was just like everyone got silent whereas Smi and sixteen women just silent picture that and you remember that baby you're there and She wasn't and that's the way it went a brand new Greg Lake. I like my beginning statement. It's like professional wrestling. It's fun but it's staged but not off on my closing statement. I do think there's something going on not with. Ufo's I mean come on 'em Yummy light-years takes to kid over here well a Lotta people say though that the metaphysical things that's another oppose are intertwined you know well multi-diverse and other universes and bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster. They're they're just they're phasing in and out of our reality. Well that's another four hours. I know right but we are they. Are they visiting? But I I do think there is paranormal and I do think that's what validates this show because there is some by God better do sell hip and made a nice. Little clings on appeared in. You can't do you modify injecting ask a question. I mean so do you. Do you think that there is a like concrete afterlife or do you not know or what do you think? Oh you know I I do believe in God do believe in a higher being i. I do think there's something going on. I don't believe in religion. I think religion is responsible for a hell of a lot of people dying. That's probably not good right not usually so Less it was the eighties. Ronald Reagan was at the hand of Roddy. Raygun knows and defence a Reagan. He took care of my father. That's true that is i Soviet. So that's a and we weren't having a Russian clean. I'M NOT GETTING FLEX lease bottom line is I mean you know. We're human and we just have to live and assure him keys. Nothing's that is true. Be kind of one another and if we were we'd all figured out together. Right Zach guys let us know what you think though let us know if we are way off base and also tell us your paranormal experience. What have you had that? would make art question. If it's true or not and you can let us but I go at hysteria nation on facebook just go to facebook dot com search hysteria nation. Also go to facebook. Dot Com slash hysteria fifty-one pod. That is a page. Don't forget also Patriot Dot com scientists. There one big Joe tweet us at hysteria. Fifty one pod voicemail seven seven three six six nine seven two seven seven again seven three six six nine seven two seven seventy forget. Any of that should go to hysteria. Fifty-one DOT COM. Which I've been slinging away out making it out so much better. I think it's actually. I was looking the you ever use the way back machine. Oh Yeah I was looking. I've been saying it's it's three point. Zero it's four point now. This is the fourth iteration of this this website because they're terrible I have some bad ones. I've worked on him. Made it a little better and we're joined on. It got way much so much more better a lot. Prettier with your face on. It is when emend let for hopping on stuff though you can have onto another show. Mr Buggies Commie propaganda show. What's it called again Mr Mr Bonkers Mister bunkers conspiracy time podcasts he comes out very captain kangaroo. Yeah so he touches children's WHOA. I don't mean that against kangaroo but he always looked like a pedophile. I don't know I didn't grow up with no captain kangaroo. So what Mr Bunker does he ducks andy and I every week. Well you know what if you're GONNA get abducted and you need a snack. Uranus Fudge from Uranus Missouri. That's right Uranus fudged. Contact these people because I love their products. The free publicity. So we're we're can we listen to you everywhere? Eight apple podcasts. Spotify stitcher where we find podcasts. Remote view the show. Remote view to show You know we're on the twitter's were on the Instagram's at Mr Bunker Pottsville we taught and we plunk and Ramat. Whatever the kids are doing these days we plug each other. That's right and get your plug you plug and Uranus Missouri and Uranus Fudge Factory Dot Com. I don't even know. Oh my God rod thank you so much man and I think I think we'll have to buy you a shot. A sounds good. Yeah Yeah So. Ron and I have had many metaphysical conversation over just a little bit of alcohol. Can't if you if you guys are essentially our remote viewing like some of you guys. The arms he just showed was like the size of twenty. Probably Twenty what does he got like Tentacles Lake where we had here? You tell me 'cause that little bit is I don't drink I'd under I. Real quick interesting thing happened. It was just a little anecdote at the bar sitting at the James Joyce last night and a guy sits down and he puts his phone down next Lisa. He's got just like doing it. He has it. Hysteria fifty-one sticker on his phone. And she goes. What's that he goes? Oh it's a podcast sticker from a podcast. This is awesome leases like. That's our show how she was. Lisa says you're fan. I'm like no you're supposed to say he's Fan. Baby that's the other one jeeze were he's like. Can You? Stop talking to me now. Please. I'M NOT GONNA listen if you keep doing this all right. So with that. Said I've been Brent. Iron has been or Ronnie Zia. There you go. He's been conspiracy but stay woke. 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If You See Kay Paso Robles Red 2016

The CheapWineFinder Podcast

09:55 min | 2 years ago

If You See Kay Paso Robles Red 2016

"As Dave from cheap wine finder dot com. Get in for another another combatant gas broil upholstery. Just put up on the cheap wine. FINDER DOT COM website. And I know the last time I said we're GONNA put one more Halloween party wine on the website and I did go out looking for it but failed. I couldn't find anything that was scary enough. You know there'd be some gargoyles on a label and I think there is the castle of the devil or something from Chile. But that's a little bit too obvious and I ended up coming up with a wine that I thought was just straight up party one Then and when I give you the name of it you'll figure out what I'm talking about and and here it is. I mean it is a wine from Posso Rodas or Robles Sir. I don't speak English to also I'm not sure which one it is but it is called the. If you see que PASA robles also red blend. Now that was a sentence NAT Not Not just a letters is i. F. Y O U S E capital k. a. y. if you see Kay Yeah I know that means. I'm I'm not well. We all know what it means. It's kind of funny because go on the website and the label now is a strong girl bad ass. WHO's driving a car with us? You know the shifter hot ride. And she's all tied it up and she's K. and she's cool and this is the titles annals after a book by James Joyce from the twenty s like no if you see Kay means You know I mean sex but he has what it means. L. Gets the name that will make schoolboys giggle. When you tell them what what you're drinking and bought and bought it and brought it at home and I started looking up some things and I'm not sure if he still with this one because this one's been around for good ten years and the original winemaker Acre Made his name making two hundred and fifty dollar cult wines. You'll limited edition mailing list winds only you know only only five hundred cases of wines from Napa Valley and he was like a hot shot and this was a wine that he put together that would be affordable affordable so. This was someone who knew it. The heke was doing and made this out of Paso Robles in ten years ago was still you know a little bit of unknown mean people know pasta robos in the wine. Prices have gone up. It's no longer. Now you still get bargains. It's not as easy and this was a wind. Should sell for about seventeen and it's in the same kind of of vein as the prisoner. I N. prisoner. I think I've seen for thirty thirty five. Used to be around forty five so this was at a because it's from possibly the prisoner there was from Napa. And what have you. There was a price differential. And I like David any day the guy behind the prisoner and those winds now I think that guy really knows his stuff but Um this if you see Kay had a messing around here this is this is a solid one. This is a well well made wine. I mean With the style might not be. Your style is big and bold and it's ripe and juicy but if you can get behind that this is a really good example of that style and I bought it. You know if you see Kay you bring it to a party. It's got a cool label. It's got this weird shaped bottle that weird but it's thinner that a normal wine bottle and in the labels very vertical thing Canada looks like Some kind of some kind of wall-painting finding some cool neighborhood on the label I mean it's doesn't look like the stuff is called if you see Kay probably not as cool to call a why now was in two thousand nine O. N. O.. There's a Song Isla. Aw I looked it up on an apple music. It's from April wine that was called. If you see Kay if you see Kay Tiller I love her till our neater so you can play along the car driving someplace but this is a really really good party wine. It's it's not inexpensive. You can take someone's aunt's house. Seventeen dollars legit. They taste it. And it's in the prisoner vein of things that the thirty five forty dollars Napa time and I'm GonNa take a SIP because I've been talking about it and I haven't been drinking it and I don't know who made it because the original winemakers long ago I don't know if he's still there but this is one of those wines even tell on our on a really big bold wine nine that is controlled like whoa like whoever made this wine knew what they were doing and the the very best of the Australian winds ends from six seven eight nine ten name share a long ago. It is where that way to where they would go over they would go almost over the top never quite go over the top and and just walking them line as you drank. It was like the winemaker. Did this type rope walk in. That vein is not that largest not that big. It's not that bolts not that spicy but it is a large wind specially today standards and it's delicious. It's really tastes good. And it's called if you see. Kay Amy if you bring it over to a party. It's going to cause a Ruckus in until they drink it. And they gotta like get and so not exactly Halloween one. But we're going into the Party season and You know it's it's it's a good choice for a party in seventeen dollars. You're I mean you don't want to bring it a cool eight dollar wine two party A.. Could but you know you wanNA bring something a little bit more expensive. And this is from a small section one of inland Paso Robles all hills and valleys. So it's all from a You know sort of Ohio Heil obation Bachchan in the valley and so it's a mixture of that fruit it's mostly Cabernet. Sauvignon and then it's got petite Surra Zinfandel and petite not Verdun and at possible is a great place. For a Cabernet Sauvignon Zinfandel. They really do well there. In petite. Verdun Verdun show is one of the Bordeaux grapes. It's always like one or two percent of the Bordeaux blends always very small part of those blends. That's because because it doesn't quite get ripe enough in Bordeaux to have more in there but you put it in California and it gets plenty ripe and then Petite Sarai is the EH. It's an every blend out there. It's it's the you know. The secret weapon of Red Blends Bennett also really goes well Zinfandel and I I think they put it in. Miami's peed on the wire. Take another little sip just because I'm coming to the end. There's no reason not to take a SIP. So there you go. It's a party if not exactly a Halloween party won. Uh It tastes great. It has you know it's it's one of those wines that is big and bold and rich and ripe and extracted extracted and might be sweet side but it doesn't taste that way. I mean. Imagine if I knew what the sugar level wasn't here it'd be like Oh that's kind kind of hiring I thought but it's so controlled within the city. which the city actually is really well balanced? You don't know what's there Tannin's are bounced to you. Don't really taste them. But I imagine the city balances also. I'm not thinking I'm drinking a sweet wine though. It might be a touch on the sweet side but it's under ripen juicy and luscious in the delicious the side and that's a good side to be on when you're at a party and that's it for me the if you see Kay Tiller I need a toll I love you. That's the words the song and this is a very good PASA robles. Red Blend and it's everywhere should be well everywhere about seventeen dollars start being on sale. Come November December if it'd be a bargain if you want the prisoner you don't WanNa pay the thirty five bucks. I think this might be a good choice. Good choice to try something in the same vein but a little bit different. And that's that's it for me audio spill something for too long. We're going to start going upscale with November and more bubbly and more maybe a little more expensive ones just because that's

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S2 E127: Alcohol in the Arts

Strength To Be Human --Literary Podcast, Hosted by Mark Antony Rossi

33:28 min | 1 year ago

S2 E127: Alcohol in the Arts

"Hello and welcome to the strength to be human podcast with your host author and play Ride Mark Antony. Rossi, this show explores all forms of creativity for those searching for meaning and a place in the world. To Air as human, but so is to learn now without further ADO, here's your host. Hi, folks and welcome back to sent the be human. Does your host mark. Antony Rousey poet, playwright, author, and host of this show is as well as I. will companion show a metal future, which is about rock and roll and things that happened in music these days. Now this is GonNa be episode, one hundred and twenty seven. And we're going to be entitled in this alcohol in the arts, but to full while now so we'll talk a little bit about. How alcohol is played a role in the arts even since the earliest days. Of recorded history. And recorded history means back to the a debate Egyptians. Were they literally had? depictions of them making wine and beer. In their the horrific said literally had the process detailed, so it's it's amazing that even back then it played a real role in culture, and of course in arts, and people put it in a in in their material in Anonyna- culture, and they put it in there. There arson and pottery. Reflected all over the place. Now Ancient Greek of the lot of the painters. associated alcohol would religion some of the mythologies, so even had a god of wine, called Bacchus, and usually showed him drunk. I guess that works out. the the Romans alike to portray alcohol in our banquets, or even some of their their orgies, even of course sometimes showed people an intoxicated, so wasn't too unusual for them. I mean it's hard to really watch anybody putting together a Roman show or movie. That doesn't don't show somebody with a big challenge. Jong down some wine. It's as common in Matt who you were. Now Chretien's. When they got into the arts. And they had some alcohol involved in. It had more to do with a religious of function, so you'll seen it at the last supper and you'll. You'll see you talked about a bit. In the Bible especially in the Old Testament. Lot of poems all these to comb psalms there. There was a lot of wine in there. And of course, unusual things have happened with with alcohol as well. No guy completely drunk. You know after after he, he landed the ARC. You know there's even a painting. The drunkenness of Noah, so they actually painted that. one of the The more I guess you'd say obscene. Portrayals of alcohol gone too far is. A lot leaving the city as being destroyed by God, his wife is totally becomes a salt pillow because she looked back when they were told not to look back his daughters, wanting them getting drunk, and and rape, them. So. And they have children and start different tribes that. I guess him and the Israelis wasn't allowed to mess with anymore, but. That's I know unusual way for for alcohol, but the Bible can be a rough book. It's not all a hallmark flowers in in in candy, Sankei to some rough stuff in there. especially along with alcohol, and and and even sexuality. Now. Alcohol has been a big part. Of various paintings over the years, okay. the marriage of Qena, the peace and the House of Levy of course we talked about the drunkenness of Noah Liangelo by the way. there was actually a painting locks and toxic lot intoxicated by his daughters, so they don't actually show the daughters raping them Thank God and a painting, but they do show. The daughter's Getting Ready for that raped by getting him drunk. So, he got some stuff there We have a number of other. Paintings. The Drunken Silas said that's a that was by rubens, Van Dick. I think it's Vandyke, but I don't know I. Have to look that up. To me looks like Dick, D. Y C K. Okay of course, covered GIO. Did bacchus himself the god of wine getting getting all smashed and everything, so it was an unusual. Once we started hitting the renaissance around the fourteenth century though. A lot of art lot of paintings, sorta change from. The philosophical and religious more towards the individual so yet a lot of lot of things about simple life about the average person a living, but just things in nature so that there was a lot of that, and of course it was a lot of alcohol in that. A lot of the the Dutch painters are seem to really like in the seventeenth century. Put a lot of their works in there. There was a a Patriot by name a John Dean and he wrote a huge. He drew a number of paintings. Painted peasants before the an party of peasants. I Dunno, these peasants really partying something here they really are. It's no joke. So, that was really really popular. The Spanish French and English schools as well so do a lot of that. Velazquez a very famous Spanish painter he. He did a lot of alcohol a lot of times he did nobility holding a drink, a holding a bottle of drinking, so that became a pretty repopulating. anyone knows anything about Beer Street in Gin Lane. A caving carvings by William hogwarts a British. Painting in the eighteenth. Century heeds a lot of that. Almost made like beer like practically marketed with his paintings. And he did a lot of fun anything to getting drunk whenever vote would have voting during elections. There's. Some interesting paintings by the Scottish painter. David Wilkie. that. Shows. Men being intoxicated in the village, but. He shows in a way of of human understanding and and common human frailty that people have so. He's more sensitive about it. He's not making a mockery of it. He doesn't think it's funny. He kind of thinks it's sad and almost pathetic, and that's the kind of tone that he has with his so as you can see paintings already changing from something. That's glorious wonderful. There's something that could be sad than destructive. I'm not a moralist. So I go tell people how they need their lives, and we'll talk more about you know. My own dealings with alcohol in my own. Other people with alcohol and the arts, but what I will say is that. It has it has its positive fund side like anything else as long as you don't abuse it and let it. Ruin your relationship show your life You work or anything else. I mean it's. It's a fun. Thing is I, don't I? Don't find it to be i. don't find alcohol. Be Dangerous. I Find People's misuse of it to be dangerous, but alcohol is self. Wrong, having a drink now and then why not? No big deal, it's just when people get carried away and we'll talk a little bit about both of those things, okay. All right so now we'll talk a little bit about. Writers Okay and unfortunately. His were going bad. You know Because, we have too many writers that unfortunately. It became a problem. It became a life loan addiction and became a destructive thing. And some cases we'll talk about a couple of writers who believed that it was some sort of Muse. I don't advocate that position by the way, but this is what they say on report it, and that's it. That's all I could do. You know but I find that to be a little silly, and maybe there could be some extreme exceptions. Some of these folks I don't know or they could just be drunk when they said that or to simply exaggerate hard to really know, but I'm known too many people that it's not amused. It's not helpful at all. When it comes to being inspired or comes to being creative it often, it often shuts off the faucet so to speak of now. It's almost like You know if you're under the influence of the. Yeah. You're not really going to be seeing the spirits because you just sort of blocks, you many ways you know. So, let's talk about some of these folks right? We Guide Dorothy Parker One of the great female writers even did Writing Radio when that came about complete. Total Alcoholic. Destroyed marriages. Distract on such a regular basis that when they finally put her. And a sanitarium. which is sort of like a sort of like a psychiatric would back in the day. Although I it went for all kinds of different elements, but alcoholism was one of them. She literally told the guy. yeah, this. This is a great room. I have here. This is make sure I have access to leave every hour because I need to go. Get a drink, so here's the here's a person. That was really drinking every hour on the hour that she was up during day. I mean if you think about. Dow Most of us are up on average of between fifteen and sixteen hours a day. That's a lot of drinking. I don't care if it's just once every hour Jeez that's that's, but that's what she was doing. And some of the quotes for these people, you could take seriously because. There's no reason for them to lie about that part it's on. It's unusual because alcoholics are famous for line about everything. You know except for their own level. Drinking seem to understand that honesty. So let's unusual how that works out. High Truman Capote. One of the few writers that came out as being gay wasn't hiding it, so he didn't use. Alcohol is the way to to deal with the demons in the presence of of being gay in society doesn't understand. The more hated them any problem with that. He had more mother issues and other other psychological demons plagued him. A famous writer became very well known. And unfortunately. Literally! Literally drank himself to death even when he was undergoing treatment for cancer. He was still drinkin-. Incredible. All. Right James Joyce. Here is where he came from this. If you've ever heard about that whole Urban Legend. Like I call it about irate better when I'm drunk. I more inspired intoxicated well, I came from James Joyce literally said that he literally said I I write my best novels when I'm when I'm smashed. That's what he said. So he believed that ironically, if you go over the the interviews and the testimonies and quotes from many many writers who had alcohol problems. He's one of the very few actually made that kind of claim him in one others, which will talk about almost nobody else did and fact many of them. I did why I like to call. The police methods only drank in between. Between writing, PROJECTS And oftentimes they only they only they only drank. When it wasn't writing at all. Maybe because there wasn't inspired or whatever, but that's what they did. Many writers did that so even they understood in their own, you know. Addicted way that you know it had. It had its limitations. All right Bukowski. Ironically. He a completely unique take on all of this, unlike any other the other writers. He never claimed that alcohol was good for his creative writing. He actually did not right. And drink at the same time, but he claimed that alcohol was important in his life, and he thank God for it because. It helped him from getting out from being a more depressive shy person so that he could be more of extrovert when he was actually naturally an introvert, so in a way, he kind of gave credit to alcohol to help them become creative, only because he helps them to come more out outgoing. So, he always had some positive to say about it, but he never really drank when he was winning was writing. And member many times these people they love papers behind Aleph edited versions of all sorts of things we know for Poe especially that you could tell it was not possible for something like that to do fourteen fifteen sixteen revisions of something and and be drunk. It's not possible you can tell. And that's that's how we knew that he wasn't some constant. Drinking Alcoholic through everything. Most of them are not. A might be ruining their lives, but. You know. Now, we'll talk about Agrawal Impo-. Now I'm not trying to defend him as much as I love poem. But I can say this. It's my opinion, okay, but what I can say is unlike a lot of these writers and yeah. I don't know everyone of the demons and all their personal problems. Okay sure. But we know on on a very outward superficial level that poll more than most of these other writers seem to have a natural, a urge to WANNA drink from all the very horrible things that went in his life both parents Stein early. Semi adopted by complete ruthless idiot distributed them poorly. both the woman he loves dino of consumption, or as for these to call the back, basically tuberculosis. You cough your lungs out and see you bleed to death at your mouth I mean. There's not any reasons for their drink. Under those circumstances. Poe had many of them, but POA also was while those that they drank between these things and a lot of writers did that, too. We don't know all the things I mean we know. Hemingway drank on a regular basis. We don't know all the problems that to Hemingway's had. We. We suspect where it concerns hermits, Ernest Hemingway because of the Hemingway's himself seemed to have had a genetic issue with with mental illness and depression through many the hemingway's through over one hundred years, so that could be something genetic going on in that particular family. We also know that unlike most of the writers. That had to deal with alcohol. Hemingway was one of the very first in one of the very few you could put them in. Your hands is how few they are that actively tried to seek treatment I mean a e. therapy psychotherapy electrotherapy drugs that they had to try to control I. Mean Anything. This guy can think of to try to stop it. He was trying to do. He didn't want to be that kind of a person to the end. That's how he was unfortunately Hemingway committed suicide. He just couldn't stop. The depression couldn't stop the drinking. The author of incredible novels, very famous fellow, wonderful, wonderful human being in many ways, but You know he's plagued to the end of his life. With this sort of thing, he god bless him. He tried to stop everything can. So you want it. You want to definitely salute any of those efforts. Now Hunter S. Thompson to the writer journalist novelist. This is demand that Louis drank from when he was fifteen, so the day he died. On a regular basis he believed that it was okay to write and drink and didn't care. He believed that and he had an interesting quote I mean it's pretty unbelievable, but this is what he this is what he said. I hate to advocate. Drugs Alcohol Violence or insanity Fr-, anyone but they've always worked for me. So? He lived I kind of an incredibly. Depressing violent. Under the influence life from the beginning to the end. And again one of the few writers online just like him James Joyce. One of the few writers actually said. I'm doing this. Even when I'm creating, it works fine for me. I don't care good to go. I said I don't advocate that. Ben His only very few, because most of them understood. It wasn't GonNa Work Out William Faulkner. That with his almost his entire life. He was famous for literally Sane in the interview. I right and between novels and I go on binges for weeks. Wake up who the hell knows where I'm ready to go back to writing. That's lily how he lived his life. Until he died. John Cheever had some similar results. Unfortunately, he was also battling with his struggle in his depression, regarding his bisexuality. Apparently, that wasn't something he was into, but he was driven that way and so alcohol helped him or didn't help him. I guess through all of that. But another one that that dealt with that in in a very serious way. Incredible, Now I don't I don't want to hear to this This new school thinking which came out like in the fifties at you know. The Modern Man of the twenty twenty first century is is become week because he has so many different. Technologies and appliances inconveniences in his life that he no longer can can be the strong one that can drink and handle these things and Blah Blah Blah and women's rights are rooting men's strengthen. All's it's this much crap and excuses. Okay does does nothing. that. We can't naturally see. FEM Even five six thousand years ago. That didn't say that there was alcoholism in society and in the people because it was. Sure the art and many the religion. It might even celebrate it in certain ways. I mean if you think about it. When you don't have. Theater Radio Videos TV's rockets. Electronic signals, computers, phones, and all that crap you know I mean alcohol becomes in itself, almost like a theoretical device. Almost you know. Wasn't it wasn't but a common thing that you know. If of actors suddenly got some some some state tried was never jitters. There'd be a jug on wine in the back over here. Take a SIP man, come down, go out and rock and roll. So it, it became natural lubricants lots of people's lives, and of course it made sense that it became part of the arts, but mainly because so many artists writers in the CETERA. Plagued, with own instances of depression and mental illness. You know and and all kinds of other demons that they might be tackling some of those things that drove him. The be artists in the first place. And alcohol help them to regulate things, but as you know. Whether it's yesterday or five thousand years ago like anything else. You misuse it. Bad things happen I mean it's still different than if one hundred doughnuts I. Mean you're GonNa you're GONNA get sick. You'RE GONNA. Get diabetes eventually I mean. Have you eat them all one hundred dollars a week, not a good idea. And there was one guy was testing too big MACs. He ate them for a month in something his cholesterol was like. Somewhere in the roof or something so anything else. You know it could become. A A weapon or even a dangerous instrument I against yourself and against your health, and of course ultimately against the people around you, so it's one of the reasons why you know advocate and I. It's not not something I would do, but I'm not also one of those people that are going to be. You know moralizing you about it would. I can't say. About my own exploits is when I spent. Six years in the Air Force I was around all around the world. Drink a whole lot. I even tried to drink. And right and didn't work for me like most writers. It just shut you off. Now having a drink or two editing, something is okay because it's okay to have a bit looseness because you're not trying to tap. into something creative, because remember when. When you're being creative. It's an intense feeling. You're drawing from something, and therefore you need concentration while alcohol isn't exactly the device of concentration is, it's divisive lack of concentration. In fact, it's about relief intention, because remember concentration is attention. Alcohol is a relief attention, so you can see how alcohol many ways is counter productive to creativity and many instances, alcohol is counter creative, so it's not always a helpful thing I find it helpful for editing and I've been known to edit. When I have a drink you to not a big deal because I'm not doing really creative over, it's simply about. Rearranging words and doing some basic grammar, you know occasionally I might see something. They can get fixed, but you know I'm not drawing from you know the spirit of the ages of something. Okay, it's something that I know from. My own my own instincts and don't need You know to tap in some ancient music or something. But, On the personal level you know I've dealt with people especially artists that. This has become a problem for them and I tell people all the time. Live the life you WanNa live I'm not gonNA. I'm not gonNA be bothering you you wanna you WANNA shoot. You die you. WanNa drink until everybody is abandoned you in. You ruined everything in your life. You free to do so. I mean I'm not I'm not for that lifestyle and I prefer. Be Honest with you not to do that, but I'm not going to be here to tell you all day long to not do that. That's not my job and I'm mainly interested in doing that. Will I am interested? In is the same thing is I'm always interested in. The art the writing the reliability decree ativity, and you really can't have any of those on any kind of regular basis. If you're some kind of alcohol portion that has problems with alcohol you can't and I've had I've had let people go because of that. People get metal they want. That's fine, but. Now. He's that my feelings, but that's simply the most practical thing. If you, thank you can function with it and get things done artistically. Be My guest. I don't have a problem with that. You know, but if you're not gonNA show up for things are going to be unreliable. You're gonNA chase people where you're gonNA, act like a fool, and you know, and you want somebody to forgive you every five minutes. So that's not for me. That's the church forgiveness. That's not going to be happening for me because. Whether we have a demon problem not with a have uncle problem announced drug problem that depression problem that whatever the hell problem. We have okay. It should not interrupt what we do in creatively. It should not interrupt with our own reliability and own responsibility. If we can't maintain those things while then you might WanNa pull away from that for awhile. Whether it's pull away for creativity will pull away from alcohol. I don't know that's up to you. But I I tell people all the time. I treated the same as anybody else, but I'm expecting the same standard I'm not giving you a different standard because you got divorced yesterday, because you're dealing with depression, alcohol or drugs, or whatever you're not going to get a different standard for me I expect you to perform everybody else same standard. That's my idea of equality equality. Now excuses and and and story lines. And that's unfortunately the problems with with too many people like that. They live so long with people ignoring it side shack knit excusing it. Lying about it pretending it's not there and all that stuff that one day wake up and go my God this Guy's alcoholic. Nice for you to notice ten years later. saw. As you could see. It has as its positive in a does. have it it. It's negative. It's this unfortunate that the too many people you know abuse it. In I? I honestly would say. To anybody. I would know that has You know real real issues that they should try to avoid it as much as possible because I think eventually. You know. Day can slip into a situation where it becomes an addiction or becomes a correct sure just becomes. You know the well. They go to too much. Try to make that to be creativity. I know I know a guy that. He dealt with that for awhile and. He wind up the trying to do it less than and that's what he did. Danny tried to replace it more with exercise if you felt. You know really. Really down the dull geons that day is something. He went and did a couple of miles. Running took a nice shower in. This Sosa music or something like that things like that. Many instances when he did things like that, it helped him, so he's not going running to a bottle right away. as saying he has a problem, yeah, he probably does have a problem. Does he need treatment I don't know? Maybe, that's his treatment. Everybody has a different way handling all this. But. If you have that personality, all you have that. Desire is to drown yourself into something whether it's data or something else you know you might WanNa find something more more, constructive and positive to do. So this way. You're not harming yourself harming your creativity. Because I tell you. The world isn't always fond of us as riders as goddess than not always welcoming of us. You know we got. Science thinking we're Weirdos, religious, religious or religions, can we're you know we're nut jobs? The world not understanding us. I mean so I. Don't understand why we need to make ourselves anymore. Misunderstood them, we're ready. Are Why make ourselves anymore the enemy then so many people already perceive us. You know. And I tell right? Is this all the time I? Don't want to sound like I'm preaching, but it's. It's my heart from what I I truly believe. It's hard enough out there already. Why make it any harder? White be any more misunderstood. So those sorts of behaviors which I don't know if you realize the not already built into the stereotype of the artists. You Know I. Mean You got? The starving artist got drunk office. He got the druggy artist. Yeah, he's in a corner man German and a guitar is totally out there. I mean. We already got all those Damn Stereotypes where? If a girl brings home. A Guy that artistic the first thing the parents are action is on man. Jeeze, drink a lot. You. Know Dizzy hitting a magic mushrooms floating off to another distant land. I mean. No sign of that, but already people thinking that will saying that. So we already tagged with all this nonsense. Why add any more to it? So, we should try. But. That's not just the reason as long just because of stereotypes. Does the general health reasons. I could tell you a long list. Everybody from PLO. Down to Shirley Jackson people that have lent. Their habits and their and their demons, where the health down to where the dead most of them dead before the fifty. Help Poe dead at forty ridiculous. That is the Diet forty. When you're when you're really doing some the most creative and brilliant things what more we could have gotten from him. What more we could have gotten from Shirley Jackson perhaps the the greatest female writer ever. A same thing a table Butler Again dying early. Why? Addicted to smoking in Greasy Foods and and and and a lifestyle that has nothing to do with with exercise nothing. unle- unless you counted the time. She left his chair to go to the bathroom. I mean that's about it. Horrible. You're. GonNa get those sort of things. You can't live that way. So oftentimes it's better for us to pick up healthier habits just so we can have a longer life along their life. That means we can create more. And maybe we could try to. Patch up repair some of those things we've done with with people over the years, so that we all we can, we could die with more than two people out of funeral. It'd be nice to. So! It's another good reason for that. Tried to find more positive outlets, okay? I'm not saying you can't have once in while. Maybe there are a few. They can't just because. It's such a early in addiction, but there's others that you know. If. They find a way to. Replace their their worship. Loans's with other things to save the save the drink for you know a better day rather than a worse thing. which. I know a couple of people that do that. They say mark I won't drink. My bad days only drink on my good days. I go well. I guess you don't do a lot of drinking, then But. Yeah, that's what it is and I've done a few people that do that. They do the yoga meditation exercise. When did some boxing? It stuff out of him. Hit the hit the hit a boxing Was that that big pageant, you hit, you know. To me I! Think it makes a of sense will only do that. I like running myself. Although I do I do it more for weight control than anything else. You know but. We can stay creative. If. We try to stay healthier. We gotta remember that you know. We got so many folks out there. They're like mark when I get his writer's block from well. You know if you didn't have any pants emotional problems. They just came on union. Someone broke every year. Mesnier. Divorce in your wife or husband, or whatever then ill, it could also be that the way you're living. He's smoking too much to drink too much. Ain't loud junk, and not exercising those things that really do mess around with your mind. And your health and you're GONNA get writer's block and that's sometimes the only way you can solve. Those things is trying to get a little healthier. So please keep that in mind. Does not necessarily anything wrong with alcohol it's it's just like anything else I mean to me. Alcohol is different in a knife. Or A gun. You can use a gun to to shoot your neighbor for no good reason, or you could use the gun to shoot the enemy trying to invade your country. Oh, shoot a animal because you. You want to hunt for some some food for your family or maybe just to hit it for fun target something so many positive things you could do with a knife for with a gun, but as you know, there's also a lot of negative things you can do. So it's like anything else. Eight in itself is in bad or evil. It's just how we use it. In many ways why? Aren't itself can be a weapon and we have to also use that correctly as well so and that doesn't just become. Something to make people upset on purpose. Make them angry or offend them when WanNa do that as well. All right folks until next time I really enjoyed getting that out there a little bit alcohol just really thought it was an interesting topic to have, and you know some folks that asked me to talk a little bit about it, so that's what I did. Does episode one hundred and twenty seven until next time, folks, Shanty Human God bless. Thank you for listening, follow the show and support our efforts by purchasing an e book at Soma Publishing www dot soma publishing dot com.

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Samantha Crain Thought She'd Never Make Music Again

World Cafe

37:42 min | 4 months ago

Samantha Crain Thought She'd Never Make Music Again

"You're listening to the world cafe. I am kaleo last. Year has taught us to deal with tremendous adversity. Be it physical or psychological. Our next guest had a head start on dealing with the trauma of a life. Changing experience samantha. Crain had been performing as a singer songwriter for several years. When she came into some terrible luck she was in three car accidents in three months and along with the host of other issues. It prevented her from performing or even picking up a guitar for awhile. But she's overcome that incredible setback to release an album in two thousand twenty a small death and now an ep. Twenty twenty one. I guess we live here now. The records are two sides of a coin coming to terms with her accident and moving forward. From it i talked to samantha about her perseverance and how her experience prepared for the pandemic and what attribute is most helpful for dealing with trauma. I we get started with the performance of the song. Blooms day this is samantha. Crain here on the world cafe Slow stir breakfast shit saga by ensue. Eleven percent got spat on la Talk in the shut you on something that. With dottie read about and ways leaks. Play schneider the city gate array tomorrow morning. He's gonna hurt so Sir laugh It is samantha. Crain recorded live for the world cafe. That's a performance of pastime. You can find in her twenty twenty album a small death. Her new ep is out now. It's called us. We live here now. Joining us for norman. Oklahoma is samantha. Crain samantha. welcome back to the cafe. You have of course you call the new ep. A postscript to your twenty twenty album a small death and we heard this song pastime from the album up at the top. And i'd be remiss since we haven't had the chance to talk about the full length album if you're willing if you're comfortable to tell us about the circumstances that led to that record. Yeah so basically. Coming out of twenty seventeen i was experiencing a quite a lot of pain due to some tendinitis and carpal tunnel issues. That i've had for a long time and also sort of of burn out Meltdown sort of thing Just from you know various things substance abuse and you know on dealt with trauma things like that and it. All sort of came to a head That summer 'cause i was in three car wrecks in a row All within a period of three months. I like to preface that by saying. I'm not a bad driver this was just like a weird Spot of lock or unlock. Or what have you But it's order just exacerbated. All those problems. I i got might the pain that i was experiencing just sort of Off the charts The physical pain and then also sort of a mental state just started deteriorating pretty quickly due to a lot of light the finance financial uncertainties of the car wrecks and then also just started getting really depressed due to not being able to like play or anything like that And i got to the point. Where i couldn't really even use my hands and i was just sort of at home by myself without the ability to work tour or play or really anything and it was just like a really dark time for me and i didn't think that i was It it just felt like i was sort of. You know at the very very of the barrel. I guess and Through various sort of therapies and support from my community in friends. I slowly started getting a use of my hands. Back end Sorta working on just myself in all sort of getting to know myself from scratch again who i was outside of being a musician. I think and During that time. I was sort of just writing little bits of things. I didn't think i was gonna make records anymore. It felt like that was kind of like the end of of things. The i i don't i don't mean to interrupt i that's kind of what i i imagined. Must be the hardest thing as you said. You aren't necessarily thinking about life a musician you're thinking about life as a person. Yeah i was just like i was in such a survival mode that it just felt like. I'm just trying to stay alive here. Not not worrying about how this is gonna play into a some sort of creative process and so it was more just for for my own mental wellbeing that i was keeping notes of of ideas or little bits of poems and things like that You know after about a year and a half. When i started feeling better felt like i. Could you know hold a guitar again or play the piano a little bit. I just started pouring through a lot of this little notes that i had been Keeping over over the year and a half and Yeah all the songs. The all these songs from small death sort of just poured out of me as my experience or things that i had been Keeping kind of push down for a long time kind of coming to the surface and there wasn't any expectation of even being an album. Like i'd kind of come to the end of my My record deal and and so it was just sort of like i. There was no pressure from anywhere to make a record. And so there is this real freedom with Just cataloging my journey. I think and i read a story about you. Know you sort of having a song that kind of to you when you picked up the guitar for the first time imagining thinking about taking a year off from not holding your instrument in your hand. Can you tell us a little bit about an echo to me. It was really the starting point of that whole record. That was the song that sort of dominant domino affect the rest of the rest of the songs coming out of me. Let's listen to a little bit of an echo from a small death. It's a mantha crane here on the world cafe som between the became so they could thinking of a to injustice too. That's a little bit of an echo. That is from samantha. Crain death here on the world cafe. she's guest. yeah that's i mean. that's a lot to overcome. Yeah i think for me. My whole thing is toughness like that. So much of my So much of my personality but by kind of led me to the point. Where i got to be in this sort of breaking point i think so for me this was like a real discovery of vulnerability and how important it is for me. It wasn't like makes you tougher. It's you're already tough enough You've got to know when to like ask for help. You've got to know when to stop. You've got to know when to take a break you've got to know where to set boundaries or else. This is what this is. What happens this is like how things just crumble. Well we really appreciate you taking us through that experience. That means a lot to us. This is the world cafe. Where here with samantha crain. The new ep. Is i guess we live here now. And we're going to talk about the ep a moment and to get a taste of it to our audience. We've got a live performance. Coming up of bloom's day. It's such a cool song. But it's one of those great songs where you can sort of dive deeper because there are little that reveal themselves several references here at play including james joyce the lyrics from a traditional song that you get to sort of incorporate the lyrics into. How did this come together. So during the pandemic i was working part time at a grocery store and there was one day that i was feeling particularly. Just sort of awful just like in a bad mood. I think upset that i was having to work through Through a lot of this sort of like unsafe And uncertain conditions. I think and i started humming the song this little light of mine. It's a song that was in my childhood a lot. I have a lot of sort of weird sensory memories tied to it. Just because i feel like it was always around And sometimes i'll just sing it to myself. And it makes me feel better just kind of helmets myself and i i did. I was coming in myself. I was sort of stocking shelves in immediately. Sort of made me feel better. It just made me really aware of of how much agency. I have over my participation in my day Just by just like a little thing. Like that. And i was looking at this poem that i had written That were a lot of the verses to bloom. stay and it seemed to kind of mesh together really Well bloom stay is. It's from james joyce's ulysses and that novels just sort of Cataloging of We uphold blooms just sort of boring day and i think it really just by sticking those verses with Sort of a reworking of of this little light of mine. It sort of became an anthem about the possibility of sort of each each new day without sounding too cheesy but feels like a lot of times. We're just being kind of pulled along in life. But we do have the instrumentality to find light and belief within also changed like other people's days for the better as well to let's listen to it. This is recorded. Live for the world cafe. It's samantha crain with blooms day Staw started stays is You you does ono no snake. Zoo added Ladder that's bloom. Stay recorded live. By our guest samantha. Crain the new ep. Is i guess we live here now. You're listening to the world. Cafe kaleo The new ep. I guess we live here now. I mean it's it feels like a nice sort of bookend to a small death life kind of life changing record. What were you thinking about in how they connect together and what you wanted to do with this ep. Well after i finished the small dead Started reflecting on like the person that i have become like what that experience had turned me into Kind of thinking about all of the tools that i had found on my journey like all of the little tricks of survival that i learned during that struggle. And i think i just had these four songs that sort of felt like an expression of myself Increasingly at peace With uncertainties and sort of beginning that lifelong process of balance between Ambition end satisfaction. And i think it builds like the postscript of like the worst case scenario letters like the part the part like after just the worst thing that you can think of happens and then the breath is taken but like relief is side and then that thought like injure mind that there is no unbearable burden if you are still alive so that sort of the person that i was thinking about. When i was writing this ep i mean it sounds simple but it's also you know profound and i think especially in the last year with what everyone's gone through you know sort of we've all become a little bit more resilient and maybe a little bit more vulnerable going through this process Did you feel like you're more prepared to to write these songs and be in this moment. Because of the last three years. I do feel like i kind of started the process that so many people have gone through over the past year just like like their lives being taken from them like they're normal see and then in some cases they're their friends and family members Just like their whole life. Being sort of flattened in some way And then having to slowly sort of bit by bit piece things together in get to know themselves from scratch outside of who they are working in this like machine of a life that they've built probably finding some peace in that probably finding a lot of joy in the slowdown finding things that they enjoy that they wouldn't have had a chance to define and then coming out on the other side of that. I definitely feel like. I started that process in a way like two years earlier and so for me to write about this. I think that that's why a lot of these songs are sort of striking accord with some people right now because it's basically the same process I've have a couple of years to record and release it and now people are hearing it while they're going through it i think. Did you end up being the person that you could. You could do lots of advice. You were prepared to help your friends through this. I try not to be that person. Because i am very much just by nature. The person that wants to like have the answers. And so when i start doling out advice to people it can probably start sounding really annoying really fast so i tried to just sort of nod and listen because i don't wanna be that person that's like well. Let me tell you about my experiences. And how i got through up next. On the world cafe with samantha crain. Our guest we're gonna hear performance of goodbye Can you talk a little bit about the setup on this song. Rarely do we have the ability to have such like in assuredness like in a relationship situation. Whenever it's our own experience we always can give good advice until someone like. You don't need to see that person anymore. If they're making you feel that way. So i think it's just about like accessing the strength Finding the empowerment. To just be like. Oh you know this just isn't working so we're just gonna have to call it so that's all this song is about is pretty simple like kiss off song all right with that in mind. Let's take a listen to it. Recorded live for the world cafe samantha. Crain malachi goodbye. You luck a but go ahead. Stree- lynn sales normal books. A a home you owe to me. I've been the same volt. Dc arise This you know how to a business. Say stay to can see yo- can be Prefer barren mine do anything your way lay down smoke us. This may be the family. Us had That's a performance of malachi. Goodbye it's from. Our guests samantha. Crain the new ep. Is i guess we live here now. I'm kaleo on the world can affect you know. We have returned guests to the show It's been eleven years since you joined us listening to you. Talk to host emiratis david di at twenty two fascinating talking about touring and bought and living in boston. And i'm curious. What do you remember back from that period period of your career is. You're shaking your head. I don't remember anything. And i'm sure like anything i said was ally honestly like i just. I was such a snot. i like did not. I took a lot of things for granted back then. i think i was pretty Insincere at a lot of ways. And so i thought most interviews were sort of like a joke like i had a very i mean bob dylan like early. Bob dylan was like my hero at the time so any time that i could like piss off somebody. I was fully trying to do that. So i don't know how i came across in that interview. But i'm sure that i was like making a bunch of stuff up and being really snotty and just kind of being trying my best bob bob dylan impersonation. That's like the. That's why i've not in my head because it's just like I can't imagine what it was like well first off. You're not a snot. So that was that was good. And secondly i think everybody in their early twenty s goes through a little bit of that process where you're trying to like sort of sort out who you are and your your influences. Are there you wear them on your sleeve and yeah early. Bob dylan is not somebody. I would want to talk to you as an interviewer just because i mean it would be sort of theater the mind like what are they making up now which ties in perfectly to my next question. Which was what would you tell your younger self back. Then if you got a minute with them maybe you don't want to say anything to them. Maybe you know you obviously led to this point but say it didn't affect your future didn't affect who you are presently. Wh what advice would you want to offer younger you I think it would be pretty simple. Honestly it would just be like you are like as who you are like. You don't have to pretend to be someone that you're not you don't have to like people are going to like you and appreciate you for you. You don't have to your worthy enough as who you are I think that was something that i was not told very often. And so whenever. I did get any sort of Attention when i first started making music I was just sort of always acting out. Because i was seeing you. Know what parts of this What parts of my cells are things that like people are responding to. An what parts do i need to like down. Hide away and what ended up doing was just like confusing me even more. I think than so i think just to have like a nice mentor. Patting me on the back through all of that just being like your good like your analysis. Your fine Would've probably been very helpful. There you go. Well we're here with samantha. Crain this is the world cafe. The new ep. Is i guess we live here now. We're going to close it out with actually attract from twenty twenty s a small death. Tell us a little bit about joey joey. I wrote sort of as a letter to friends that i've had for about thirteen years. There's something really special about the friendships. where you don't have to give background information. They already know the context that you exist in because they experienced it along with you Most of the time a friendship like that feels really great. It feels really good to just be known and understood but for someone like me who's kind of like prone to nostalgia. I think the thoughts of lake the good parts of youth that you tend to like romanticized creep in now and then so really this. It was just sort of a song that was written about that feeling of like looking at a picture and saying like i know that that's me. I know i went through that. But i don't remember that at all cool. Let's hear it this is samantha crain. This is joey recorded life for the world cafe John kalra see system assault. Your face was sweaty wrath. I don't know if you spill your home. Know it's real feel memories. Good you say four even see sees you smell it'd be joe albuquerque. Sharpton he pays de screwed but feel free. 'cause we stay so narrow service defy anymore even sees you talk be able may it's throw. It stings lot. Joe before you into a mickey too own to town And to play that is alive. Recording of samantha. Crain here on the world cafe her two latest releases twenty twenty s a small death. The album is available now as well as her new ep. I guess we live here. Now samantha. thank you so much for coming. On thank you that samantha crain will be back in a moment with more world cafe. 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At Home in the Heart {part 2 of 3}

The Mindful Minute

29:06 min | 2 years ago

At Home in the Heart {part 2 of 3}

"Welcome to the second in our February series and this series is titled at home in the heart. And really what it's about is. Coming back into our bodies right for most of us. We learned a very early age to sort of separate ourselves from gut feeling or intuitive reaction because we want to fit in culturally, and socially and be good boys and girls for our parents. And so we learn how to sort of tamp down and enor-, and we live as James Joyce said very often a short distance from our bodies and this series is about getting back into our body into our feelings into our intuition into our heart. Simply so that we can feel and last week we spent some time talking about the value of that the importance of it and also the simplicity of it. Right. We spent however many years twenty thirty forty fifty years being detached. And then suddenly we start to talk about reintegrating within ourselves, and it might sound complicated or foreign. Or like you have to do a lot of things to get there. And what we talked about last week is that that's not the case the practice of being at home in your body is simply the practice of claiming your body to be home. Right. It's same. This is my home I belong here. It's innate we all have intuitive wisdom every single one of us does most of us. Learn how to ignore it. Very fast. All we have to do is start asking questions and listening to tap back into it. You might not hear it right away. But the work doesn't change. It's just asking and listening. So we started with the side of simplicity and. Although it simple, perhaps it's not easy. And what I mean by that is it doesn't always happen automatically, even when we decide, oh, I'm going to start a meditation practice, right? And it seems like that is so clearly about being in your experience. Right. But we can really easily make it about observing. We can really easily say meditation is about being in the present moment and noticing what's going on. Right. That's kind of the definition, but I can notice from like up and back as if I left my body in a looking down in watching myself have an experience verses sitting inside the experience, I'm having in the moment. They're two totally different things. We're not trying to be an observer, we're trying to be an experience. I stumbled across a quote by Mary Oliver in her interview in the on beam podcast, which I highly recommend if you're into Mary Oliver, they just replayed it right after her passing, and it's beautiful interview. And at some point she says in her sort of Kerma gin Lee way. Attention without feeling is merely. A report. Attention without feeling is merely report. And we're not trying to write a report of our lives. We're not writing our auto biographies right now, we're not narrating an experience right now. We're just trying to live. We're trying to live through a rainy Monday. And enjoy a sunshiny Tuesday. We hope and whatever else is happening in our lives. We're trying to live. So our work. I is the simplicity of sane. This is home my body. My feelings, my heart home, the work tonight that we're gonna talk about is the discipline to stay. So we decided we want it. We have claimed it as ours. But now we have to do the work of stain because the minute we sit down and say, yeah, I want I wanna feel my feelings. I wanna live my life. You know, it's going to get uncomfortable. Because that's just how that works. Right. So it gets uncomfortable. And for most of us, the tendency and discomfort is to do something about it, very fast. Some of us will get up and run away. Some of us will totally numb out with food drugs, alcohol, TV, social media. Some of us will ignore it and Tampa down and go with the it's fine. I'm fine, right? There's a lot of ways we can run away from discomfort and our work in this practice is the discipline of stain even in the uncomfortable moments. When we say now is my time to meditate, and we set the timer and. Close your eyes. And then you go. Oh my God. I've got that thing. I got a return to target today. And you get up and leave. Defeats the purpose. The work is to go on my God. I've got that thing to return to target come back to the breath. You don't have to target and this minute. I know it feels like it. I have actually this is a true story. And I've told it before I definitely have actually had that thought stood up and started walking before I even realized what I was doing as oh, we I I'm supposed to be met the timers been half a minute, right. And I had physically stood up and tried to leave. I was that uncomfortable. So our practice is to feel that discomfort to say, it's okay to say. In fact, there's value in stain right because as we start to experience our discomfort. We start to experience boredom or irritation or fear or anxiety. We also start to discover our strength. Our resilience. We start to discover this remarkable ability that the human brain has to experience more than one emotion at the exact same time like anxiety and safety like sadness and hopefulness we can experience opposite ends of the emotional spectrum in the exact same moment. And they both be valid and real. But if we never learn to stay we don't notice that that's possible. We're too consumed with running away. You know last week our analogy the whole class was of an actual home your physical, home and will stay with that today. Right. If you're in an apartment and the floor starts to squeak, and you immediately move to the next apartment, and then that one has dirty window. So you move to another apartment and now it has a dog that barks all the time. So you move again. We never stab wish any trust in home. We never establish a sense of safety or belonging. And instead we move in and the floor starts to squeak, and we throw rug over it and the wall, it's a crack in it, and we spackle over and added piece of artwork and we claim is ours. And we stay for through the dirty windows through the cracks. And then it starts to have a flavor to it a personality to it it holds meaning for us. And it feels safe. It's a safe place for us to explore grow. To feel new things. So we'll practice tonight and our practices evening is always one of discipline. Every single time we close our eyes we start to feel our breath. And then we start to think every single time without fail. The discipline is to go here. I am thinking come back to the breath ten thousand times if you need to without saying I'm bad at this without getting up in stomping across the room leaving without running to target. You don't have to do it. We stay. That's the word and every time we do that. We're building our strength to sit through really uncomfortable moments to sit through a disagreement with a colleague and not lose our cool to have an argument with our child, and maybe one day be more mature than them. I'm still trying. So we'll practice this evening in this class. We do about a twenty minute practice. I guide you through about half of it. And then we sit in silence for the other half. And I bring us all out together at the end. So when we hit that span of silence, that's where it's really easy to get lost. And if you can really kindly really gently hold onto that disciplined tonight. See if you can bring yourself back. So if you've already had your legs crush, you my uncrossed them and cross the other way just to make sure they feel good. You're gonna let your hands rest onto your lap. However, they feel comfortable palms down palms up. What feels right? You wanna lift up that spine a bit? So you feel nice and tall. And when you're ready. You might closure is some of you might feel better. Just staring softly at the ground. We take this first moment just to simply land here land in your practice. We'll start with our Braff. Nice deep in Jalan. Release a Asai? We'll do that again in Hellene. Ax. Let it all go. And then we allow our breath just move to its own natural pace. Is he in hell's next Hal? And we start always by claiming this moment to be our practice. So you might just silently say to yourself here. Now is my time to meditate. Now is my time to meditate. And so we really sit. Try to relax your hips, your thighs. So that you feel the full weight of your body settle into the cushions or blankets beneath you. Notice your spine hair. Make sure you feel tall and alert. You might even feel gentle lifting up through the top of the head. The muscles to the face, relax. Forehead. The is the jaw. I find it often helps just to invite in the hint of a smile. It doesn't even have to show on the outside. That smile just the reminder that you're allowing this moment to be. Just as it shows up for you today. Fill your shoulders press back gently Dow? As if breath, alone bless you as if Blat breath alone could relax your shoulder. Feel a few breaths, moved through the centre of your chest. Just allowing the center of the chest to soften. Maybe even noticing how the center of the chest feels this evening. Do you feel some things you feel nothing? Gradually the wariness in the Braff moved to the Bali. Just invite your bellied a relax. We're not engaging here. We're not protecting. Soft belly? The back of the body gently away. The front of the body. Open receptive. Just start to feel our breath here. Where do you feel it when you? Perhaps it's just inside the knows maybe the back of throw. And remember were not narrating. We're not describing our experience to someone. We're feeling our inhale. And are ex hail. Does we move towards a period of silence? Do our gentle best to stay right here. In this place of feeling the breath. And whatever else happens. Whatever thoughts are stories pop up for you. Whatever sounds rise up fall away. Whatever it is that distracts us. We just noticed that totally fine for that to happen. The gentle discipline. We simply return ourselves to the feeling of the breath. Taking a moment here. Too deep in nearby. Savoring the fullness of that inhale that X hail hap- just noticed. Same your experience. Drifted off about loss somewhere notice where you went. Notice experience of trying to come back and stay with your breath. And then with a bit of a smile. Bit of kindness for yourself in the work that you just did you might start to wiggle fingers toes a little bit can some movement. As you feel ready? Bring your palms together in front of your heart like a prayer. Value changes slightly just taking a second to think yourself. For carving out the time in the space to sit. To claim your heart is your home. And then to stay. Thank you guys so much for city with me today. It was my honor to be here with you. Let's just finish with one breath together deepen Helen. Nice. Big exile. Now, stay.

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Is mixing Vitamin C and Niacinamide a problem? Episode 268

The Beauty Brains

32:52 min | 5 months ago

Is mixing Vitamin C and Niacinamide a problem? Episode 268

"Hi i'm perry and you're listening to the beauty brains. Hello and welcome to the beauty. Braves the show. Where real cosmetic chemists answer your beauty product questions and give you an insider's look at the cosmetic industry. This is episode two hundred sixty eight. I'm your host a real cosmetic chemists perry romanowski and with me. Today is another real cosmetic canvas gallery. George a low valerie high end the real valerie. George the real no now. Nobody has called you. Georgia's weekend not this week. Well valerie and i have been busy with work stuff. I actually had teaching an online course about cosmetics to some industry insiders today and valerie will her day job always keeps her busy and her side job also keeps her busy so but we didn't want to skip a week so today. We figured that you know what. Let's just answer a an audio question that was sent in and it actually turns out that it was a few questions in the one audio question but also you know about some things that we saw in the new. So today's question we are going to cover is actually a few parts. It's also a question we've gotten from a few people so this isn't just like one person's question it represents questions. We get from a lot of people so today we're going to cover. What's the deal with vitamin c and niacin. Cinema is using them together bad. What's the difference between reactive and sensitive skin and are the products who disclosed their percentages on their bottles. Better than everybody else. There's so much marketing in cosmetics. Where people pretend. They're better than other people aren't they. Oh my gosh. I have my soapbox prepared for today. I know i'm looking at you. Clean beauty all right. But i valerie our patented patent. That was your last name was carr. Banded chitchat yeah well. You know not too much going on this week. Aside from just lots of work. I'm finally back posting about books. I've read This year so far. I don't know if i'm gonna be able to get fifty two in this year. Because i really read three I've done some audio book. So i you know audio i think audio books count do they. I i think so. I don't post the audio books. I read just the physical books that get from the library. But i'm i'm back posting. And i haven't heard a whole lot of time to read this year because you know starting a business and all and running it without mr. Cosmetic chemists is very stressful. Very stressful person. Just takes a lotta time. So i haven't been back posting post my first book yesterday. The fabric of civilization. Oh was it. Oh incredible you know. We take a fabric including clothing for granted and it really ran civilization for millennia. Oh it's about actual fabric. I thought it was just a history book. Now it's not a. It's not a metaphor. it's not like no literally the fabrics that built the world. It was very good. It sounds very cool. A book i read in that same vein was safe If you haven't read. I think you've talked about that if you haven't read that one. That's an excellent one book. I'm reading right now. what are you reading. It's quite a challenge Ulysses are you still reading that. The james joyce book. Yeah well it's it's a hard book to read analogue even reading it for a while. I've been reading it for about a month. And i have to say this. I listened a lot of audio books. But i also for this book i decided. I'm listening to the audio book while i'm reading the book so i have the book while i listen. I listen to somebody reading me. The book and i actually really enjoy doing that. Is that like the juggling of reading. It is the is kind of the juggling of reading audio books that you read in your head. Well it's a whole new trend. I hope i can start it. Oh my gosh well upcoming this month. And i just wanna tell listeners so we get out there and get some time. I am doing a talk for the professional beauty association on behalf of the beauty brains and my employer. Should the talk is. What are these ten ingredients doing in your salon professional products. It's on monday. June twenty eighth eleven. am pacific daylight time. And basically. I'm just talking about the ten most common ingredients. You could find in your salon products that you or your style is that you're buying from your stylus or that your stylist is using and then i'm going to do a little. Qa session where people can chat about ingredients products hair-color more so sign up. It's just ten bucks to support the professional beauty association which is an advocacy organization for professionals whether you're salon professional or spa repression or just another licensed individual in the professional beauty industry but not professional baseball players. Then right it's not the it's nor that it's not that nor the professional bowling association is not that one either. It's all right. That sounds very cool. We'll put a link in the show notes. Also don't forget for people who are following us on patriotic or subscribers. Thank you very much. You keep the show going We've got a live event coming up june fifteen. Check your email for when that's happening and also we have a book giveaway so if you're patron By the end of june you will be eligible for the book giveaway and we will send us books out to anywhere in the world. That is books are the original beauty brains book and our latest. Can you get is. It's okay to have lead in your lipstick. Those two tomes which. I actually just referred to one of my friends the other day. She's a big fan of the show. She had you know a family member. Contact turns say. Oh my gosh. Can you recommend any. You know makeup brands without lead. And i was like well. Actually she contacted me. And i was like well first of all you can detect anything in anything but really bad shouldn't be in your lipstick any significant levels. And there's a book by that same title so a exactly so we'll check that out and if you wanna be available for free dry and go to patriotdepot dot com slash the beauty brains and subscribe. How about we move into science beauty news or is it beauty science news. Its beauty sites news harry. Things are getting a little tougher for cbd sellers makers and basically anyone involved while we've been if you fund following show for any length of time. We will talk about. Cbd medics is a pretty big trend in the cosmetic industry But it seems to be waffling a little bit and maybe some of these new regulations are going to contribute to that. The first story that i saw was that california is prohibiting. Hemp derive cbd in cosmetics. Valerie what is this one all about. Oh gosh cicis been a really big deal. Obviously because i'm in california em what's what's going on in your state because i work in the personal care industry and it's like leave it to california to create some crazy regulations. Now i just found this really interesting because yes the federal government has in the last couple years loosen guidelines on how. Cbd can be acquired and what can be done with it. But most people don't realize that the regulation of what really can be done happens down at the state level and basically california has sherman food and drug law that provides that That says that any food can be adulterated if it bears any poisonous or a delay which is legal word. I'm probably mispronouncing substance that may render an injuries to users and so basically they're saying you know what that actually kind of includes a cd and cbd derived from him specifically so While that law includes food beverages and you can see a lot of beverages infused with cbd in california and pat your food. I have yet to buy pet food for cucolo that contains a cd but basically anyway they're saying That you know what we don't even want it As an additive in cosmetics dietary supplements pet food beverages all that kind of stuff which is really interesting. Because i feel like a lot of people are already selling these products here. Yeah they are. That will be a tough one to police What i will add also is that. Is it Recreational marijuana legal in california it is anybody can go to a store and get some so get. You could eat. Gumy's with the cdn it. You just can't put it on your skin. It's yeah yeah. The whole thing is crazy and i think this this article really just speaks to that in the united states The this law really speaks to that. In the united states things are really dynamics. still there continually evolving changing And so if you're brand thinking about developing a cd cosmetic one you're probably late to the game in an overly saturated market. But you won't really be able to do that. Moving forward and i just don't think that's a something unique to the united states. I think a lot of other countries are having these challenges. Well speaking of other countries that brings up the story that i saw a according to this article. China is banning cannabis cosmetics So cbd might be trending around the world but east asia risks missing out on the buzz Very very clever style dot com. Or whenever you are but Basically what was happening here is the regulators in china are saying. Hey in your husband Yeah we're not going to allow that and That is going to be a big blow to you. Know people who who thought china was going to be a big market for their cbd products. So that's another thing Which is going to hamper the growth of cbd in cosmetics. Now if someone can show some actual cosmetic application of c. b. d. or there's just a large consumer demand. I think they might get around these regulations. But boy i don't see. Cbd sticking around for too long if regulations like this keep sticking. Yeah well well guessing. I didn't make a cd brands. That was very forward thinking. Good thing you didn't make a brand either because jay j. lost their supreme court appeal was that was one beauty science news article. I i was going to bring up. We have covered this. Jj talk debacle quite a bit and for those of you. Who don't know the supreme court banned sickly just told jane j. in their appeals process. Yeah you're dunzo pay out you. Don't get to appeal this anymore. So i was kind of surprised for that Well i i think the supreme court just said we don't want to hear the case. They didn't rule one way or another which way the case was going to go so i think jay still has. Some appeals left At the state level state supreme courts in that kind of thing that the supreme court. Just kind of said. Oh we're not gonna get involved here so we'll see where that goes. Yeah there's no way they're going to win this at the state level they're dunzo to be. That was the message Yeah no it's a it's a challenging thing and also j. and j. has stopped selling products in the united states. Anyway so yeah make them. Yeah it's insane. And i actually was surprised at the. Did you see the legal fees that jay j. has already accumulated fight overdose cases. I can imagine they're pretty high. It's in the billions of dollars. Unlike you might as well just pay out and say you know what we'll agree to disagree and will write that on paper and here's a check and You know but man who i think it was in the in the billions. I think this is gonna be really a tough situation for cosmetic companies going forward when you don't have to prove that ingredient causes cancer you can just kind of imply it in the way talk is And then you have to be held responsible. That's going to be pretty tough for the next ingredient. That's vilified without evidence without good evidence. Anyway so all right. How about we move on to our questioner. We're only going to cover one question. But she had a lot of questions that a lot of people have also asked so clever. Daniele sticking all these questions into one. I ll riley. Clever here is danielle s question. Let me cue up the audio. Hi guys Danila from argentina. I've been listening to your show for about a month. And i've heard every single one of your podcasts. So thank you for all the information. You put out I wanted to ask What's stood deal with vitamin c. Assume i'd i apply that this morning and turned out very very read. It didn't hurt or anything but my skin didn't like it. I don't know. I looked up and saw that my face was completely read. So that's the question all the way from argentina. Well thank you yellow for that for all those questions. And i think it's so impressive in just a month. She is almost caught up. Well i have to say this question came in a couple of months ago. So hopefully she gets. He's got a few more months under her belt. Well okay yeah let me fair so valerie. What do you think about vitamin c. ni- cinema. Are you familiar with people having reactions to those who blended together. Well no not really. These are two really great antioxidants that work well in conjunction with each other to provide skin benefits Vitamin c is known as You know we all know as an antioxidant weather taken orally or applied topically it. It works really well to to brighton. Look skin and then nyah cinema. It is an excellent antioxidant that actually creates other antioxidants within the cells. And so it has this nice you know on. Call a regenerative effect in that sense. Yes an extra antioxidant and these are really great. Both for clearing hyper pigmentation. And so it's my interesting. They work together. I have not heard of those two in combination causing irritation. I've heard you know if you're doing a retinol. Vitamin c redoing regular chemical peels and using a vitamin c and or vice versa. You can't get some irritation there. So my first instinct would be what else is going on in your routine. And maybe are you kinda overdoing it bit. I know that a lot of people are sensitive to ella scorebig acid especially because it's not very a stable form of vitamin c. So that could be as well I'm not sure what product is being used but Up my instinct is that it's probably part of some attribute in the routine and that's just a sign of your skin being sensitive to the type of products so i i would look to restore the moisture barrier within your skin and Just make sure you're finding out what's irritating you. Of course if the product continues to make your skin red even if it doesn't hurt. I would consider not using it. Yeah but that's just me well and even a product like that it might be formulated at a p h. That is too low for your skin. in a way to stabilize vitamin c. Is you keep the ph really low. That's one strategy and so it could have been formulated in a way but it seems to me that the vitamin c is probably that causing the issue. Although you know what it could also be something like fantasy ethanol the preservative system in the thing is causing an effect like that so there's a lot of chemicals that could be in the formula that might have that kind of effect where botanical fragrance. Or something like that. You bring up a great point with a p. h. because typically especially with these you know l. scorebig acid type products. You want to be really low To keep the vitamin c. Active in unstable. So if your skin is not able to handle that. Extreme shift with the product that could be An issue in in your system is disrupted but you know my instinct is. It's probably the overall product and nearby pharmacy contributing in. Probably i would look at your routine. The best thing you could do in that instance is i would say. Probably ask a dermatologist. They could make the right recommendation for your skin type absolutely now. Let's check out the next part of her question. What's the difference between reactive and sensitive skin because my skin didn't really hurt or burn or edge. It was just read but identifying anything all right This terms of reactive and sensitive skin. Well the first thing you have to understand about terms like that these are scientific terms. These are marketing terms. And so that means that the definition of what those things are. It's it's variable depending on which company is making it or the internet. content producers are writing about it. They might mean different things when they use that term. The brand skin suit articles uses the term it a reactive and sensitive skin interchangeably in their marketing material. Basically they say that sensitive skin is skinned that will react to exposure to various chemicals. Reactions include redness itchiness dryness etc. But then in the book beyond so by doctors. Sandy scott nikki. Your one of your One of your fans right. Are you a fan of hers. Well i thought the book was very well written. Okay there you i. I do kinda remember you mentioning that book On a previous episode. I did yeah anyway. She tries to quantify whether someone has sensitive skin Or not m by using cheeses a questionnaire and a rating scale. It's also claimed that sensitive. Skin is a genetic trait which makes skin more susceptible to having some reaction whereas react to skin is that which has been exposed to environmental factors like skincare ingredient or environmental pollutions and that causes contact allergies and causes other kinds of reactions so basically reactive skin has been trained to react whereas sensitive skin is just something you're born with kind of the difference. I'm not sure the difference matters that much but that's kind of in the marketplace whether they're interchangeable or they mean slightly different things that they can have the same ultimate impact. It reminds me of the maybelline's slogan where it's like. Maybe she's burned with it. Maybe it's me believe it's like maybe you're born with. Pb its environmental pollution. I don't know we'll have to be worked out. You know you will now. What type of product was were. They talking about that hair color. Was it lipstick. Well the most famous maybelline product. Is there skara. Oh so maybe she long lashes then. Yeah yeah yeah. It's kind of funny. Yeah i very much love old beauty commercials in old S i especially love old beauty ads from the nineteen fifties and sixties there. So over the top sexist who are to our sensibilities. Now it's ridiculous like there was the whole one about hallett and how that was like an invented term getting people to feel bad about the whole big. Oh my gosh well. Maybelline is famous for their Great lash that hideous container. That looks like a nine thousand. Nine hundred. eighty s watermelon with like. It's like pink and green Still sell that. They do they do. I actually remember anyway. The commercials very effective. I remember that that jingle today. Well if you're listening maybelline people. We still love you. Yeah that doesn't make your packaging any less hideous but we still. Yeah oops sorry. I should be more polite. You danielle had a few more questions. Let's go to the next one also last question. I wanted to know our product who have disclosed the percentages of their actives. Better than the ones. Who don't i have a niacin. Might serum back. I don't know the percentage so maybe it was too high. And i don't know maybe i should start. Buying a brown dad discloses to percentages. I have more control over what i put on. My skin at the same thing happened with retinal. I contacted the company and they told me a couldn't tell me the percentage. It was because privacy. So i stopped buying them because i want to know what i'm putting on my skin. So what's your take on that. Thank you for all you do. And lots of from agencia. So what do you think about brands. That put their act as on valerie. This is like what the ordinary kind as big in this but there's other brands now especially with the internet. I feel like the trend. Obviously i don't wanna say they started. I feel like the trend started when brand started disclosing. How much hydroxy acids were in products. Because that's an important thing to know. At some point you know especially with salsa illich acid it's regulated up to a drug at two percent and you know the difference between a one percent guy colic acid solution and twenty percent could be a huge difference. Right yeah could be but then brands started getting into well. Let me tell you the percentages of my ingredients and you know with the exception of retinal. I would say you probably almost never need to know percentage of ingredients in the product so danila. I totally agree for brand advertising. They have retinol. They should be willing to disclose the percentage because that active stems from the pharmaceutical industry in doses. Really important because you could use a point. Two five percent retinal as newbie. You don't wanna jump into a one or two percent retinol a cream as a newbie. Because you're going to have a lot of singing irritation redness and maybe challenge so. I think it's definitely very important. But otherwise you know how would a consumer know what percentage means well it yeah it certainly can be misleading consumers. Have this idea that more is better. And so then it becomes a race to the top. Like what's the biggest number we can put in there and that makes it convinces consumers to buy our product. Because if you're in the store and you see something that says oh. This has one percent. Nyah cinema. And there's a product next to it that says oh this is two percent niacin. I think a consumer is gonna go well to percents definitely better than one percent right. Yeah they don't understand that one percent it could totally be efficacious. Exactly it's like you're putting on too much right. One percent is the most you can use and i get asked all the time. How much ammonia does this product contains. What's the percent ammonia. And i always say if i told you had one percent or four percent free ammonia not that it would have for this very dangerous. It's a lot but what would that mean to you. How would that help you make a better decision when working with your guest in the chair and and people say you're right. I don't know how to use that number. And i say what you really want to know is is this right and i figure out what they're trying to get from it so i think the whole percent claim is very damaging numbers using used in advertising. There are a way to quantify claim and give consumers a way to kind of compare between brands. But it's so. Very misleading because Those numbers don't mean what the consumer might think it means exactly and as a consumer you aren't aware of the efficacy that a product can have a certain percentage over another. Are there a lot of brands pudding. You know what. I call a kool-aid packet amount of product ingredient into olympic size swimming pool. There's should calling kool-aid years a lot of that going on tons of that but it does a this whole numbers game really does a disservice to brands. That are using ingredients at efficacious levels. But they're just not the highest level right and some percentage having an ingredient can be bad for you and i just. This is one of my least favorite trends in the world. And i've actually been wanting to talk about this for a long time and go by. Danielle asked the question. Yeah well i would also agree that. I don't think brands that. Disclose percentages are necessarily better. I mean it might be interesting to know. But just because someone discloses a percentage on their ingredient package. That doesn't actually tell you everything. For example some brands will claim that they have seventy percent roenick. Acid yeah no what they really means they use it. Seventy percent of a one percent solution. Because you couldn't possibly us seventy percent how you run a gas that would not have liquid product. It would just be a solid mass right. Yeah so brands. Like that are just trying to trick you. You know the other thing is i. I've seen it with vitamin c. Were trying to have all these crazy percentages of vitamin c. And at what point is it just like a crazy amount of of ingredient. And it's not really doing anything. How much can you can. Your skin actually have Can actually be bioavailable to the skin and your erase or with Alpha hydroxy acids ph super-critical. So yeah i could make a ten percent glycol like acid hair hair serum for you at a ph of seven. You're probably going to have zero. Active guy colic acid and it was. I could use one at the right ph and have just the right amount of frequent colic so exactly Numbers in advertising are all designed to impress you because people are impressive. It gives you a nice easy way to compare but often the numbers also may look different. But they don't there's no consumer perceivable difference if while technically like the number ninety nine percent is smaller than one hundred percent you know. Could you really tell the difference between those two things. It's not likely so. I think for the most part number claims are are simply gimmicks. So number shouldn't really lead to any extra trust in a brand from my vantage point. I would actually say aside from retinol leads to distrust. There you go you. You heard it. I hear from valerie. I probably shouldn't say that i'm kidding. Of course he should say. I say that if you want you could say that actually i think numbers should lead to distrust in a brand not more trust but you know. It's just a marketing tactic. Unfortunately the marketing tactic works and that's why brands continued to do. These types of things is because they do marketing that actually works to get people to buy products. And that's just reality. No the reality is. I think they think it works. I don't think they're like. Hey let's make up the stuff. I think they really think products. Do this stuff right. what i think. As far as getting people to buy products Numeric claims are pretty effective. This well on that happy note. I at the end of the show. I love you guys. Thanks again everyone for tuning into this episode. One as we mentioned the Are on patriots. And if you wanna buy part of our patron event coming up on june fifteenth go to patriarch dot com slash beauty brains and subscribe. If get a chance please go over to apple podcast and leave us a review that will help other people find the show. Read the nice things you've written about us and ensure we have a full docket of beauty questions answered. And if you want to say a lot of nice things about valerie coming into this show in how much so much better than randy. She loves to see that too. And if you have a question just record on your smartphone and then email it to the beauty brains at g mail dot com. We prefer only one question at a time. But as you can see. Danielle snuck in like three. Or four burke and we totally. Don't mind it because we love these questions so much. Also don't forget to follow us on our various social media accounts on instagram. Were after the off often. Eighteen on twitter rathi baby brains and we have a facebook page. All righty thanks again for listening. Everyone and remember he greenie about your beauty. Thanks everyone bellary. Do you think it's weird. That i just went out today and i bought cans of wet cat food for a cat. That's a on outdoor that i don't even own. You should have talked about that on the show. We're still on the show. I stopped recording online. Oh my gosh cat dad. I walked out. I walked at the sporting imports giddy. Was there and normally runs away from me. But i saw many kinda gave me a look. Aga- hey i got something for you. And i had an extra can a wet cat food and i took it out and i dish out on a little paper plate and i put it out there and portuguese. He came right up and he loves the wet canned food. So you said. I'm gonna go get some for you. It was only twenty four cans. I figured that could last all summer. Right oh my gosh kim. No no i. Don't get the pets as i get the gravy the friskies gravy that he likes the gravy. That guy at the gross absolute crap their cars. So is it weird that you're buying food for a cat you don't even own. I love it. I gosh it's very very indeed.

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Chuck Wendig

Carry The Fire Podcast

1:02:43 hr | 1 year ago

Chuck Wendig

"Welcome to carry the fire a podcast. We explored the big questions of life through the Lens of the good, the true and the beautiful. I'm your host Dustin cancer and my hope is that through these conversations with people of diverse and divergent backgrounds and beliefs. We can glimpse the world the new through each other's unique perspectives. I always say that plot sort of irrelevant it unless you assume that characters create lot with whatever they do anything a character does creates spot too many storytellers I. think approach plot like it's a thing you. Kind of start with and then sort of graft characters onto the plot, but really to me needs to be the other way around, and that creates an organic hopefully ideally growth for how the narrative goes I. Let them take the lead on it into. They're going to do in response to it. If what they do changes, my perception of what the story was going to do, that's great. That's actually ideal because it means it's surprise me. And then if it surprises me. Ideally surprises readers, hey, everybody today on the popular joined by Chuck Win Dig Chuck is an author and storyteller and a variety of mediums, his most well known through his novels, the most recent of which is titled Wanderers in which I read recently and really enjoyed. In our conversation, we talk about the way that fiction interacts with good the true in the beautiful, including the relationship of cannon to both fiction and religion. The way that fiction can help a see things that reality has obscured. And the way that the best fiction, both gives you an escape while simultaneously bringing you right back to the real issues from a novel perspective Pun intended. Let's dive in. Thanks for Hey thanks man like starting with the question What would cause you to feel a deep sense of wonder when you were a kid? Because they feel like it kind of gets, gets at some of the stuff in a different way. What would cause me to feel a deep sense of wonder when I was a kid? You know and it's something that I think. We're missing a little now and I understand why we're missing it, but it adventures. Is that make any sense? I would just leave my house. descended disappear until someone. We'd a bell, an old rusty bell on our front porch. Someone would ring when it was time for dinner. Starting in the middle of the day or even in the morning I would just get the hell out of the House and be Gone Yeah. Where where did you live? Where'd you grow up? Affiliate Ebbers. So like it's pretty wild trees and grew up on a farm, so we had sixteen acres. But, even then it was just a farm I would give him a bike and. Ride ten miles and known would know where I was cellphones, and no idea where I was it just it was fine. Yeah. That's hard because we went through this weird period where we got conditioned to think that everyone's getting kidnapped all the time and just like Yeah we? I mean. If you look at the numbers, it's it's. At think safer than it was in a lot of ways. I REMEMBER! We were warned about not just like molesters and vans like Satan Satan. Thing as it turns out. They weren't coming for us at all, but like everyone's like look someone spray painted a Pentagram on wall seat Nisar here and you're like. Yeah. No, it was just some kids. Man Yeah. That was a big thing to Satan is. And the Russians. The Russians. Yeah I mean. Coming back in a weird way. Yeah. We just need Satan to come back and then we're and I feel like I. Feel like at least now. There's some like. There's nuance it's. Putin is bad and but like we. At least. Forty but like when I grew up. It was like. The Russians are like the bad guy like their air evil all of them. At least everyone I'm was like that was understanding. Drowning kids in Boston, whatever they were doing horrible. Okay, so yeah adventure! You would just get get go, so I mean just leave and it was scary to sometimes you'd be. Because you didn't know, where were were, or you'd be find some Weirdo out there. You just be like this moment of. Fear and wonder in 'cause. You kind of felt a little bit on your own Terrify good way sometimes something. That's empowering and part of growing up is like those those little moments of independence or for? Seeing a bigger world. Are. I wonder. I don't know I feel like we have a different Different head space to work through then our parents did for like letting your kids do that stuff. Yeah like our parents came out of that generation where you had a ton of kids knowing that like well. At least two of these aren't GonNa make. So and then they need to work. The fields or whatever it was like you need someone with the plow and feed the horses so we're in a different. Kids are a little more precious now. They're almost like A. Palace dog when I was a kid, some people had dogs for the purposes of chaining them up outside barking at Strangers Horrible I mean. We can't even imagine that now that you'd be like yeah. I just have a dog and I put him on a chain in the driveway. and. That's what the dog is to me. But now obviously, we don't do that dogs or Pets in general it should've precious. Parts of the family back then they were like tools. Like what is my is my alarm system. Golden Retriever! Totally. Yeah it's very interesting thing about how. Actually. How quickly to our body is about certain things shifts? But yeah. I live like near this creek cool creek trail. It's actually I used to play on it. When I was a kid. And now there's a bunch more houses around it, but I I let my kids like go out. They have a cell phone with them. which makes me feel a little better, but like they. Don't want at, but it's I. Think it's good for him. feeling that that weird sense of like. They'll. Eat Shit on their bike and they're by themselves and they got a or dollars. She's like. Think. That was either a wolf or cody as. Much money says Kennedy, but that's cool yeah. All right, so you're the first novelist on the show I've had people authors and in various ways. Usually it's kind of riding around. You know their work or maybe more of a memoir type thing, but yeah, the first novelist fiction writer. COOMBE WANNA. Talk a little bit of what like the way that novels have impacted you and your? Thinking about your own novels in relation to the good, the true and the beautiful don't WanNa Talk Truth I. Don't resonate I'll just edit out so doormat. FIGURED OUT I'll. Truth on look at them in two ways one like. Facts like I feel like sometimes fiction books have like you know you do research like there's interesting things there. and then also like maybe truth has a deeper understanding of reality, learned through the reading of a fiction book but. Yes, so the server. The facts kind of thing. That you remember like. kind of being blown away by like. Certain facts certain stuff you'd never knew about it and you're like what? Specifically about? Fiction! Fiction book like. Yeah, There's a nal that really sort of affected me as a kid, an epic hard swansong is in the same vein as the stand, but it wasn't. A pandemic book, was a nuclear apocalypse book and still supernatural, like it was like the end of the world via nuclear war, but then this like sort of devil, like figure rises up and begins to. CAUSE HAVOC has developed figures are to and I. Thought I just didn't know. You know I mean, we were in the middle of nuclear panic back going back to that whole. Sickness molesters. Obviously a core component to that and reading the book was fascinating, because taught me a lot of like I didn't know. When I was a kid I didn't know that we had all these secret. Launch tubes in buried under cornfields in the Midwest and turned out to be true. Back, now they're selling those things for. You, know rich people as like apocalypse bunkers just. Ironic and and disturbing in equal measure. So just sort of learning about all of the things that happen to people after exposure to radiation and walking goes phase, and all that stuff was sort of sort of grotesque to learn as a A. preteen or teenager. But it was cool. I, it's like you know sort of way that help you can. Text is all the strange terrible things in the world. So that's facts, but then truth is. Probably. The hitchhiker's guide to county. just because it's such. I mean it's obviously a completely made up fake satire type of book. About you know Galactic Shenanigans, but there's so much truth to the the absurdity of life and existence and bureaucracy. and. You know just the sort of little rituals we have from whether it's a computer program or making T. I just thought there were a lot of weird little truths in those books. As the books went on, they became a little more overtly philosophical. Not, always to their. Success, but always to make I mean it was interesting. The and of took these you know simple things and made them bigger yet. It ends up I think. Engaging people in. Questions that you know they might not have found their way to any other way, right? Exactly There's an emerson quote, says Fiction reveals truth that reality obscures which I like because I think. Reality in the sense of you know the modern world and all of the things we're with they. A lot of that is built. To obscure. A deeper truth because it's trying to you know, get money from you or whatever it is like. So instead of wondering what really makes me happy, you are being sold something that is supposed to make you happy right precisely. Yeah, it's all a distraction to some degree. Yeah, so I I recently read wanders which I loved and. I feel like you probably did a bunch of research in that book like Yeah, but I mean part of it was. On both a really lazy greedy writer in. a lot of what goes into that book was stuff. I was already interested in. So I had already done research, not for purposes of using it a book just because it was fascinating and strange to me. Epidemiology artificial intelligence to opposite politics to getting. You know getting that altogether. And then wanders sort of coalesced and contextualized. Anxieties and interests at the same time and instead of just sort of picking one. And running with it I was like well. What if all, but the snakes in the CAN? That'll be a good way to write this book so I literally just jammed the book full of all of the things that. I was interested in both is again in Active Supreme Laziness greed. It's kind of rather because it. I'll try not to. Boilers. It's hard. If you yeah E. Show Gory Wanderers if you haven't before he listens and. I feel like it doesn't end up coming across as Like weirdly packed full. It gives like I don't know it gives like a broader reality to the the story. Because all these things are interacting, it's just like hyper focused on one thing, and it's out of context of everything else. It's like these things all affect each other and you know like. that. especially like any kind of pandemic works is, it is affecting one thing, and then it affects everything else because of that. I really wanted to create that sense of be gears were working together and and giving it enough. Time and energy around the characters to serve sell all the weirder stuff like it's really about characters, and if they're not finding a connection to all those things in being. The movers of everything that's happening. I always say the plot is sort of irrelevant. Unless you assume the characters create plot with whatever they do, anything character does creates opportunities storytellers I think approach plot like it's a thing you. Kind of start with and then sort of graft characters onto the plot, but really to me needs to be the other way around, and that creates an organic. Growth for the narrative goes. Yeah, how do you? See Try to start with you maybe a rough idea and then find your characters. Where the starting ago. Yeah and then I let them take the lead on it and they're going to do in response to it and. If they if what they do changes, my perception of what the story was GonNa do that's great. That's actually ideal because it means it's surprised me and then if it surprises me. Ideally surprises readers, and that's kind of one of the goals, anyway, simply surprising people. Do you have. The general thing laid out though after you've kind of like played with this in your head before you right at all. I usually do wonders did really. Wanders just like A. Had Pieces and I knew where it was going to end up, so not exactly how? Lake physically in the book I knew the location of where I wanted to go But beyond that no it really I was sort of building it. Is Actually. It was a book that showed me I didn't know how to book a write books because. It was entirely different and everything. I thought that I knew about how I wrote books, not just about how writers right, but how I write. Tended to be wrong so. whiffed my deadline and I wrote a huge book that I didn't know I was going to write A. Book because I did I wasn't steady. Like sometimes you know usually. I read a book. I read about two thousand words. A day and Kinda hit that, but this was like some days. I great five hundred words five thousand. Is just a way more erotic. came out feeling more organic as a result of that so I don't know I. Don't know if I'll ever be able to do that again, so we'll do I. Mean I feel like that is partially because it was? Being powered by all of these random things together. Like what do you mean what do you? What do you attribute the difference to? It might be that. You know if there's an analog to cooking sometimes. If you get the right ingredients together, it's mostly just about adjusting levels and discovering the flavors, but. Maybe! It's because I've been doing it for a long time. To figure out some things internally about how you tell stories you don't know them intellectually. I've or maybe it was just the right time for that, but yeah would. That's kind of what I wonder if it's so. intimately like. Connected to what is actually happening in the world right now and a variety of ways, but like a variety of very weird ways. Yeah, so you have a in their detecting pandemic? You have a pandemic going on with. From Bats. Yup but from all the political stuff and White supremacist. Thing yeah, and I feel like. I don't know I. Think it's a helpful way to. Hopefully for some people to to see some of that stuff on I think the way you handled like some of the white pharmacy stuff Through a sympathetic character kind of coming into contact with that stuff and like showing. Some of like the poll of ideology or something, and but while. While then starting to show a dark, the dark side of it in a way, that's not just like. Hey, this is bad. It's it's more vice real sense of that Yeah I think that's that's the thing it's. It's you can't do that in A. At least not in the same way, it doesn't impact the same way in an essay or something. You're not living now. have to have some legs. To. Talk a little bit with the truth thing on like. Cannon issues I know you tweeted that? Is An article from. Bio Nine something a little back. talking about people's obsession with cannon kind of ruining. Yeah. There's a quote from that I. Thought was great says. The hunger facts above all else leads to things like filler episode, becoming a derogatory term for stories that don't advance the larger ongoing plot or don't include some shocking new revelation that someone can add to a list. This need rob's discussions about the stories of nuance interpretation because who cares what you think happened when there's an answer from the word of God to the question that you might have had you tweeted. This is true and right Yeah I just I wonder if you anything like you. Thought that that sparked in you. Have you experienced any of that like over intense cannon with your own? Absolutely? Star Wars. Obsessed with cannon, one marvel story that was. A vader connection to rogue one, and it never overtly says what it says. It just makes him suggestions about what Darth vader's involvement in the. Death Star plans in the corruption of these plans. and. People were like well, this is. How could this be Canon because it doesn't perfectly agree with? Everything that came before as if everything could perfectly agree with everything that came before and they view. A curiously they view things like star, wars or any sort of fandom with whatever their particular you know. The piece of media is that they love so much. They view it almost more unflinchingly than we view history because we we recognized history and and to a degree also science are a series of teleporting bullseyes like we understand that history is constantly thing. That's being excavated and relearned and change sometimes in good ways and change it in bad ways. History is a sort of a record of what happened in. Our you know advancement of that and how we. Experience history changes over time depending on WHO's telling that story depending on what book you're reading depending on what new piece of information have been learned, but they can't. View. Stars the Saint Player they can't view star, trek or transformers, or whatever it is, there's just a there's some people who are really locked into a sort of a quote, unquote fact-based. WICCA pedia style storytelling narrative universe, like with these are the facts, and everything works together and having plugs together, so they can't disagree and you can't do interesting stories because everything's sort of locked tight in a paradigm of quote, Unquote Fat, even though it's obviously all made up, so you. WanNa tell an interesting story here and if that fudges cannon a little bit. The value is the interesting story not. Canon. These people often point to someone like Tolkien. For being like sort of the master of his own candidate for of Tokens work didn't agree with itself constantly, it was changing things, and sometimes plainly in some ways that I. don't even know that he recognized. He was changing things. Because, that's important and vital that we do that. Evolve or see stories as an evolving thing just as history and Sinar. Yeah, it made me as I was. Reading that and thinking about. Kind of my own journey from a guy. evangelical and. There's this huge obsession with like it's all hung together on this idea of an appearance in Aaron see that the the Bible's like this perfect thing and doesn't contradict itself and. It Is a very similar. kind of feeling that I it was seeing like there's almost. the people who are obsessed with. Cannon in fiction are almost doing so like this strange kind of religious sense where it's like you're. You're messing with my my scripture right like. but it. It it misses this. This. Understanding that? Even with something like the Bible or something it's. It's been written over time by a bunch of different people and those people. Have always been engaged in. In changing the story to a degree, they're taking what came before and they're. They're writing. What they feel. Like is the thing they need right then and. It's it's a conversation over time, which is amazing if you see it, you're like Oh. Wow, local can learn from the way that these different humans and communities have engaged this idea of God and. I mean the Gospels alone four stories separate and divergent in the Bible. And then there's how many that didn't make it into the candidate, the core cannon. and. You know revelation as an view it as something. That's quote unquote revelatory to the apocalypse that you could view it as a subversive from someone Trenton and island, who had very strong opinions about his current time and not. Coating to our time, so there's so many to miss. All of that is to miss. All of it I mean it's not strange, but you're missing the point. Yeah, you're like really just like these are truths. These facts not not even treats, but fats details that must be true for everything to work in. Reality just doesn't work. And then it causes a bunch of cognitive dissonance. When part of you knows that that's not all. Staying together. It's not all saying the same thing like you can see that, but you have to figure out a way to believe that it does and it. I did not enjoy the. Top One, yeah, so it's been a long time trying to put the pieces together and realize that this may be the wrong way to look at this whole thing. I also thought it was interesting though that. There is something of the spirit of like. Going beyond the creator or something, where like Lucas himself, who's basically? God Star Wars like gets pushed back right when he does stuff in the prequels or something that you're like no like this wouldn't be the thing and I feel like there's something in that spirit. Not that you? It's like look. He's making thing. He's GonNa. Make the thing and you can disagree with that, but like I, don't know there's. There's something good in that impulse I think to be like. Man I think I think. Even though you created this thing like you're missing something. Maybe like a textual. Boy and it's interesting to watch the fandom sort of complex relationship with him. Because initially it started out. Obviously, he's a genius for creating. Star Wars prequels and ease likewise jerk recreating star wars. Then he changed the original films, and then some people love those something paid them, and you shouldn't mess with perfection, but even though it's his thing, domes- with and then. Too? They hated him for a long time. Then he sort of killed stars for awhile in the sense that it was just he didn't WanNa. Make movie since they were mad at him for that, but then. He sold them to Disney and Disney did their own thing, but now he's to some people. Georgia's sort of saint again like he's been canonized his own. Sainthood and you can't now. How dare you do differently? Even though a lot of the stuff, they're mad about the new new movies this stuff it. He planted seeds in any way and was like well. He supports it and it's just a strange people's relationships to that sort of author. Alter effect is kind of fascinating, sometimes at a great way, sometimes in a really weird way. I feel that I mean it's a fascinating case study, because it's such a huge phenomenon, and it spanned over like multiple people's lives times now and so you have different generations interacting about it and. It's all sorts of weird I've come to. Appreciate. Some stuff about the prequels that I didn't earlier like I think the. The story arc of the the way that democracy is a bird, and all that is actually really interesting and right on this very sharp. How she predicted. Yeah, some of that stuff like the politics are surprisingly good. Yeah, it's just Kinda the rest of it, that's. I think had not directed. It might have gone a lot better murder. Apparently he tried to get other people directed and everyone was like. No, you do a buddy. So you. You take this. said. So fiction. What is it What is it good for There's a quote which is it rehashed from other things, but David Foster Wallace applies it To fiction specifically said good fictions job is to comfort the disturbed in disturbed, the comfortable way thing about that. I. Don't hate it. I mean there's. An aspect fiction that can be escapist, and there is an aspect of fiction which is the opposite which brings you closer to the type of thing you're trying to keep, and then there's a really. Almost masterful form, and it's something that genre is very good at. When, in the right hands is something that feels escapist, but it's really talking about the exact thing. You're trying to escape from so somehow giving you. Contrary both of those things at the same time, and that's really the I think the maximum power fiction is to. Both give you entertainment, but then Austin make you think and feel things at the same time. Yeah, I like that. Do you have a book that you remember? That was like a large comfort to you and certain time. Comfort Comfort to me. I mean that could that could be. It just gave me an escape from something horrible. I read before I was really reading books I was reading. Comic Strips Comic books by the I was reading Bloom County in Calvin and Hobbes and farce on those were my earliest escape. 'cause they were sort of really absurd and deranged in a wonderful way, but I also feel with something like Calvin and Hobbes county. And far really all of them. There were some sort of deep squarely truths buried in there. They were they were not. Young, Calvin and Hobbes especially sometimes really stared down the barrel of like sure he's a kid imagining all kinds of in saint stock, but. There's some there's some rich. Loam soil kind of going on in strips so. Definitely, those were things that were comforting in escapist to me, but that even looking back now you're like Oh. There was a lot going on. Those. Three panels than you imagined. Yeah I used to. My Dad gave me he had this far side and Calvin Hobbs then it was. A recently tried to. Had A couple books stored away. I tried to get my kids into one of them like that. Yeah I don't know. Hasn't gone there yet I I I really liked him, but I really liked them especially, because like my dad gave them to me and it was like a shared. Shared thing what about a book that has afflicted you in that way? That's kind of brought something baron you that that. You wouldn't. saw otherwise, maybe. Looking at upsetting. Disturb the comfortable. Yeah, yeah, like Oh man. Didn't I hadn't thought about that and I'd probably need to. Yes the early works poppy bright. Pretty fantastic. There's a novel. That she wrote the now he's billy billy, Martin. An avocado exquisite corpse, which is just A. Grisly, Disturbing. Syria Gay serial killer book and a dislike, the gory sloppiest Viscera, but beautiful in its pros and really. Astonishing -ly. Beautiful in how has written and There was something to that it was so upsetting, but also to find that there were these characters finding love in this sort of. Visceral in the most literal sense, visceral place. Was Interesting. Very just an unsettling uncomfortable book, almost of like watching her reading requiem for a dream. There's just like Oh okay. you start to realize not everybody reads fiction to feel good about things, and then you're like okay, so that's good to know, and that's certainly I've been there and done that. In certain times of my life, he really cleave toward those types of books as opposed to steer away from yeah, as in a way of Like commiseration, someone else's. Is Thinking in place right now. Yeah and also, if you're in a more comfortable place, it's easier to read that type of thing. Whereas if you're in a less comfortable place whether globally emotionally, sometimes, you want a little more. Home cooking and not something. Strange yeah, it makes sense. NPR NPR review of wanders that said It's full of social commentary that digs into everything from global warming to racial tension. While never preaching or bogging down, the action packed story I think that's true and I wondered. What does it look like for you to try to? Have commentary in there with out You know preaching in the pejorative sense. It's hard. But you never to me? Preaching is about. Talking Down to? Talking over people trying to be like I'm just trying to broadcast a thought into your head a via the book and I don't want to do that. I said one of the things a book should make you do make you think. In addition make you feel things should make you think and thinking is not something. You do easily if I don't give you. Different ideas different polar viewpoints in nuance for it's just like this is bad. It's asking you to accept an answer and not think about the question. And I don't want to give answers I. WanNa give questions so I. Try for I mean. There are some people who think the book is preachy. I've seen some reviews that suggest that they feel that it's. Too Political and then it's making too many statements, but I tried. Diligently to. Offer alternative sort of you points and different types of characters who feel and believe different things and even in. Either quote unquote protagonist, what you would conceive as good characters they have. Massive falls from grace, and they have you know complexities inside their hearts, and they do bad things, and sometimes some of the not good characters. To. Say something that you think Oh. That makes sense like Oh that's upsetting me now. The someone someone horrible said something that makes sense. So I think trying to put all of those things in there. In giving those layers hopefully gives people a richer experience in doesn't just kind of lead them to the meal. who demand them to eat it, yeah. Yeah as I think about that. There really is such a complex. Movement in each of those main characters that there's there's none of them that you're just like. You did it gets. Right exactly I don't. I don't want to write like a heroin arc in district sense. I'm not trying to tell like A. Superhero story where it's like. You know always hard, and they faced adversity, and now they're good. It's just you know this is like an epic story. I wanted to feel that sense of complexity nuance in you know fiddly BITs. Without spoiling in the end by the end you just like. I don't know if I've ever had a book. That felt that way at the end. Read just like. I. Don't know okay. That's good. I like that GonNa. Ask You about Pastor Matthew in the book. Feel like. An now hearing, you talk about the state. Were you raised in a Christian home. No. No my mother was. Catholic and because she prior to my father divorced. Her husband prior to my dad the Catholic Church, of course, not accept her so. I know she tried to do things like she baptize me on her own tub and you're like. I! Don't think that works. polically speaking. And I know she tried to send me to Sunday school. And then I remember one day I came home like just crying like well. There's a guy bleeding on a couple of sticks up there and I find very disturbing. So I didn't go back to school, but I've always sort of read. My Dad was a very non religious. He believed in. Quite literally what he called the God of the land. which I don't even know what that means. He was super clear on it, but he was very much about gardening and farming and. He believed that. There are some God in the land. He was A. It was like you know you are murdering people in the Korn like that feels like. Here stealing you're gonNA. Admit it, you could tell me. But no such admission every. So. Yeah so no I. Didn't we didn't was not released raise. But I had friends who were and I know I watched my mother grapple with her sort of. Waning in waxing, Catholicism and I always I studied it in. College religion. Interesting. I just found that. That Coming from my background. I found that character very believable, and and that's that's impressive that. He didn't grow up in that but I. I mean as much as you know. I'm at this point disagreeing with you know most of what he is. Believing certain senses like you see that he's trying to do good and he's grappling with These issues and he's got a framework, though that's like leading them to certain answers and. I duNno I like the way you handled. That character specifically was was. Really Great I don't know he's kind of the Lens through which. One of the two that book moves, and it's a kind of a brutal. Progression, but yeah, it's brutal journey for us hard to write in that regard I think necessary, but I mean obviously. You, never know in terms of what's necessary or not necessarily fiction, but he felt necessary to me, and it felt necessary to give him as much. Of that sort of Wrigley. You. Know uncomfortable morality in questions I mean he's guy trying to. He's trying to do right, but there's people who want to take advantage of his wanting to do right and just because. You know and it's not just the people in the book, but obviously some of his upbringing in he's been taught about. Things are complicated how he reacts to things, even things with his wife and things of this. Character? Damn. Hard To Talk to you a little bit about. Horror as like a? Genre. I feel like some people. If they've never read any or gotten any, it seems like. Well that's just. A key. That's just bad But like why you? You tend to gravitate towards writing stuff that's at least horror adjacent. Yes. Why why is it good like wh? What is? I think horror. Obviously, there's first of all. There's the services thrill of it just the. Roller coaster ride aspect of Har- like you're experiencing kind of fear, but in a controlled environment. You know that what you're reading is not real. Just as you know, a rollercoaster is not real, but you still your body and mind are capable of producing a fear reaction, but it's a few reaction. That's Cathartic so yeah. That's obviously what you're getting out of that at the surface, but then fiction itself Har- fiction. It's also uncomfortable. Sometimes what you're reading is like no. The the the surface level horror isn't real, but there's something deeper under the water. That's absolutely true about it can kind of getting back to that stuff. You're talking about about being truth versus faster. What what's good? What's True There is some stuff in horror that can be genuinely true. It's genuinely telling you something released opining on something. It's giving you a thought perspective. and. That's another thing I like about Harz that it contextualized some very big weird. Stuff and it's not even a genre in the sense that. It's about your plot beats certain. PLOT PIZZA DETECTIVE is we're going to do this and the build the clues. This way and we're gonNA reveal the murder by the end Har can be anything. It's an emotion. It's one of the few. You know like thriller. Genre that's about an evocation of emotion comedy. It's like it's just there to make you laugh. That doesn't mean you can't have comedy in space doesn't mean you can't have horror. That's historical fiction. Horror is doesn't even need to be the genre. It can just be a thing that it's. It's in the book. Most books and stories in some capacity have. At least scenes of what you would consider to be quoted Harlem. And that's great to me because it's such a vital tool in the author's tool belt that for people to dismiss it too easily is like. You're you're not? You're not acknowledging something. That's useful to really every storyteller. Cool wanted to ask you about in the good category Representation so you. Got Some brazen mostly a lot of Shit for having think it was the first. As t protagonist in the New Star Wars Canon or is that wrong? Yeah, I think in the new cannon I think there was prior to that. Also in the Canon and LGBT antagonised I think. Protagonist? Yes I just was curious about I don't like your maybe progression and thought in thinking about Representation in your books or why you? Feel like that's important I mean. I can tell you in retrospect. It's important because at any event that I've done especially like the bigger comic con type events. I have a lot of. LGBT readers of those books Star Wars fans and readers who come up in are like really. I mean they're. Moved and I don't mean to I I. Really run the risk of making Gosh. I'm a hero. I didn't really good thing, and it's really not the point. People are seeing themselves in a place where they've never seen themselves for especially star wars. which is this massive massive? Probably arguably the biggest story world I mean marvelous, obviously the titanic to but star wars out forty plus years of. Existence. And so. To have been kept out of that and not see yourself there. Is really a pretty good way to tell you that it's not your story that it's like well. It's this did this for these people and you can enjoy it, but it's not really for you. And that sucks. Obviously Star Wars should be the biggest possible tent so for me. It's just about SARS about making the biggest ten possible. so many people saw that as a political statement but I'm like I. Don't think cluding different types of. Should be conceived of as a political statement a outside of the fact that. The most basic level everything is political, especially stories, but I mean it's not. It's a Democrat Republican. It's up progressive conservative. It's just like well there are. A lot of different people in the world and we should try to. Speak to them and make sure that they are all finding a seat at the table in this massive massive story world. Yeah I think the position that. You should not included. That's like a that's a partisan position that saying like no. No, no keep them outright like nobody if you just look around like. These are people in the world and. Get a seat at the table to write the stories. It shouldn't just be about me giving them. Character Room I mean should be actually be fundamental to. But in terms of the authority, level or production level for your level. I mean that's. This type of thing is variegated. Quilt, do you need to get? Up and down the. But for my purposes I can't change the someone writing the book. So what I can do is ensure that the characters representative, and then you also get a amount of shit for being a vocal about certain things on twitter and other places Which? I've always like I don't know I think there's such a Like, so many tweets like there's such a compassion for humanity and for people, and then sometimes it's. You really mad and I feel like it's I like the combination of seeing your heart in the sense of Hey. I'm showing compassion in this way, and then I'm showing compassion through anger I think another times. You do it with some style I feel feel like. Do you ever watch deadwood? Very Chris origin. Where engine. Aspect and not as Elizabethan maybe, but there's. But. Yeah, you gotTA. You got fired from doing those star wars. Vader things for speaking out. What? Yeah against Cavan yeah okay. Yeah, yes, like and it's something that I. Struggle with his well because I'm making music, but then. I? Care about reality right and so I feel like I should speak out against certain things or for certain things and I. Don't know. How do you look at trying to balance that out as a creator like? Like me, really, it's tough and IT'S A. Complicated. Thing, because. Some of it gets into the nature. What twitter is and dozens of it's about. Stories and storytellers, and if we have a responsibility and I don't think. That we do I don't think there is a responsibility as in. It's our job. To have or share opinions but I think we're also. Uniquely not just storytellers, physicians in artists are uniquely placed. Here to be able to conceptualize all kinds of things. In a way, it's again artistic or metaphorical, or whether it's just creative profanity. And while I don't think it's their job to have an opinion of state. I also don't think they should be kept from having. Those opinions first of all because artists are people as it turns out as much as some people want them to be. Wage, slaves or people who just don't. Contribute anything at all. I If we are to assume that everybody has a voice than certainly artists writers musicians have. An equal voice and so there's no reason we shouldn't talk about this. Just people just as having the ability to engage subjects. And then in in a sense to try to talk about what we're feeling about thing in to. Move people to. You know consider that opinion or to be. Argued With so you? Are having that living conversation. Twitter is also. Sometimes one of the places where it's great and bad. Too to have those kinds of conversations, it gets difficult. Because there's. Increasingly so little signal and so much noise, so it's hard. I was talking because. Twitter being what it is like I, was talking with friends recently, and it's like twitter. Tiny used to be a little bit more of a water cooler place for writers you know in terms of our perspective is writers We would go there to talk about what is whatever's going on in the industry ourselves and it was I mean we knew it was, but it was still kind of like quiet chatter links were not big news stories. They were just link or you didn't have a bunch of photos. Just mostly just tax dowse. and. The you know that has changed would change from. Water Cooler to a stage, and everybody's up on that stage, and so it gets difficult to. Know who saying things because they believe them, or who's saying things because they're trying to? Chase cloud, or whatever it is, and then you know when you say, thank you. Don't WanNa be you WANNA try to authentic with it and not seem like you're just trying to score points and you're like. Did I say that right did I make sure I convinced people, and then you doubled down or to it's very, it starts to like. Get to a point where you're like I. Don't know that I'm giving I might be giving too much to this thing. And not getting enough. Reality back and I don't know where that stands now. Yeah, and I. Think he also something I struggle with like the main thing that keeps me from. Posting certain things at certain times is kind of the law of diminishing returns like I. Want People to hear this important thing, but if it's all, I talk about then I feel like I'm losing the year. And that's really hard to balance and I feel like I. Don't know right now with everything going on I'm really not giving shit about that, but But. I don't know. Yeah, it's it's weird and. Strange Standard of like hey. I listened to you basically saying through art all the time, but you don't actually have you don't have a human voice here. You only get your artists and I. Think I don't think that's fair and I think. I think they're two different things like I I do think. Your point often. Can Be made deeper in your art, but it's not alert to, and there's Times that requires if it's not subtle, it's preach. Yes, right? It goes back to I, think we're talking about it so that you're just yelling people. Yeah, but there's that time like. Stand up Yelich. Things wrong like and you don't. No one has time for you to read. Five books about right now. Exactly I don't know. Hey, everyone if you're already supporting the show through Patriot on, thank you so very much if you aren't yet. I wanted to let you know that you can now become a patron and support the show for as little as five dollars a month. Becoming a patron can provide you with a variety of perks including access to additional content like song lyric breakdown episodes, QNA episodes, where you can submit questions for me to answer additional conversation episodes that won't show up in the public feed and access to our discord board where we're building community and engaging in deeper conversations around the show. Here's a sneak peek at some additional Patriot only content. That's an interesting question that the self talker inner dialogue I think. For one that was. There was a two days. where it was Kinda debilitating the weird kind of introspection that went on as I came to grips with being pretty sure about this And I was thinking i. Don't know how to describe it. You know like if you sometimes, you might be like introspective. About. What you're doing I was like a level. Deeper. Introspection as I was like two steps removed from reality, thinking about thinking about. Everything that I was doing feeling. Really worried, that was gonNA continue but. That did not that was. More just a kind of a reorienting, and then I realized hey. Here, okay, you've always. been this way and you're fine, so you need to overanalyze it, but it does. Give you different tools. You have some kind of understanding Sometimes. An issue in some maybe. For Yourself. For Yourself and an opportunity to yourself in different ways so for me I. Think sometimes it means giving myself permission to like. Take a break from social situation. That might be Kind of hyper charged for me an overwhelming. other times it's. Being in that situation and acknowledging. How feeling and taking some deep breaths And that understanding of what's going on with me. And that it's okay that I feel that way. can be. I think a lot more healthy than just feeling overwhelmed, but not really being able to take a slow step outside of that and acknowledge it. Yes, I, think I think it's almost been part of a larger. Change in south talk and inner dialogue where? I just have more understanding of myself and for myself. If you're digging this podcast and wants to join me and others like you in our pursuit of the good, the true, the beautiful than joining us on. Patriots is the best way to do it. Sign up today at Patriot Dot com forward slash. Carry the Fire Pot all right. Let's get back to the show. All right onto the beautiful. What is beauty mean to you in your your everyday life? Beauty in my everyday life is like little things. Just moments in nature is the aspect to me beauty like I am. A big proponent of authors and actually really sort of any artists finding a creative outlet for them that. Is Separate from the thing you do for. Money in. Something you don't do for money? For me, it's photography I am not. Photography I have been paid on a few instances on a Lark because I have tried to i. Don't consider myself a professional by any I don't even really know what I'm doing. I've some sense of it. But I try not to know what I'm doing I just want to just go out and. Take pictures of bugs and birds and see what happens in. That to me is where I find those little moments of beauty just. Sort of weird sublime. Moments of coincidence or things? You didn't know you were going to see when you're outside. Yeah, photography is an interesting art form in that sense because it's. More than anything else. It's about like looking for that little moment of beauty. Right like yes, everything else you're. You're like processing. You take any of your time to read. put it out there and but protagonist. There's something right there and see I. WanNa see it. Yeah, captured in some sense. I want to be able to look at it to get. You live kind of out in the sticks, yeah! It's not. It's not a sticky as he used to be. My last a little more. But yeah, but it's still pretty pretty much. The sticks like it's tons of just not a whole lot here a lot. Animals running around. Three Oh, yeah, we got Fox's and remember Fox's. and. You ended up having foxes. The new place do great. Yeah. We don't have them as a den. Okay well, we've seen missile multiple times so good. The crap on our yard, so they're here. And you. See. We brought this up a little earlier, but you have a little shack shed whatever do shed the ad I had went to last place in this one had built. And they got it done like the day or two before lockdown, it's. Perfectly timed that I could get this thing. Rock I moved to a new place like right before lockdown and had a little more space, which was huge so. For Two. So when you're at is exclusively like this is where you right D- do other stuff out there. Currently, it's just I right. I mean I have. Bookshelves that are I just got Don't have any books on the have the books in storage, so it'll be place. I read I. Think I'll probably get. I had a treadmill. That I was thinking putting out here, but honestly I don't really enjoy. The trip melts kind of dull, so thinking of something else at your terms of exercise cool. defined. Having that kind of dedicated space pretty necessary for writing. Yeah, if only because. We got our last place I had a corner office on the second floor and it was really nice. It looked like overlook. The Woods is pretty beautiful, but. We had a kid. And by the time you know, your kid gets to be like four five years old. They're going to like? You can't just be like no, no, I'm working, said don't bother me. Because they just don't get that and I don't blame I. Don't blame them mad at him for not getting, but he'll John. McCain his way into the vents. You can't stop it from coming into my office when I'm working, so it's like all right. I need something especially because it was at that time, I was ramping up the stars, work and I had a month to write the first draft. So of the of the first novel. The first book yeah. Yeah, we'll take deadline so. Yeah so just to have that extra space somewhere we we try to figure out what it was like you. Garage space or to an external office that I go to every day or we thought we have the woods. That's put a box in the woods where I go great right. Okay I'm going to come back to that question. We've hit on all of them. Is there a writer or books that have struck you as particularly capturing and commuting beauty to you. WHO. That, Exquisite Corpse Bunkum is grotesque as it was. Was Something beautiful about that? You know beauty tricky in terms of fiction. Because for me beauty, she comes down to. Pros and how the word? Yeah together, WHO stands out since. The work of Tony Mars and is I mean. Assange Song Solomon. You. Just really amazing beloved talking about Har. It's not a hard novel. Beloved my God. I got to meet Tony Marsh which was very cool. Yeah, definitely I mean James Joyce's ulysses right? I mean that's a weird. Speaking books that sort of combine all that aspects of truth and beauty and everything else at the same time Joyce's ulysses covers truth and beauty. Ian Kind of everything in one big tango because it's that. This massive Brecca book that takes. Like a daily life, just a day in the life, and gives it back scope. Man That's interesting because we're all kind of here is in her own world, and we're all you know grappling with this sort of. Moral complexities of daily existence, and also this sort of black and white mythic of existence, and so I thought there was something really fascinating, and some of his prose especially in. A job where Joyce before Joyce gets really indulgent. The reports of an artist. There's some really profoundly beautiful sentences just. It makes me when I was trying to think about myself I was thinking of Thinking of mine was McCarthy. yeah, just some especially like I remember in the road. It's like so sparse and. Dry Feeling, and then he would just like insert these little. Almost many. Poem Prose type things and it would. It was such a weird contrast. I loved it. Yeah Yeah. I agree with that school. I think the last question. Do you have any consistent practices or habits that are helpful for you? I did. Everything's been with both with. After reading wanders and then. Obviously, the quarantine. Are Very different. You know generally speaking for me. It was all about. Just sitting down and finding a secure time in a secret place to right and then. Knowing how to not be distracted, right forty five minutes a screw off or fifteen whatever it was. That's changed a little for me. To the core, precept remains the same. It's time for rubber meets road. You've got sort of again. Protect your time and protect your space in whatever way you have to for me. Tournament the shed that something. That's for me about protecting space and making sure that they have a place to go and take it seriously so few people. Take our seriously whether. themselves. But largely sort of society. People don't respectively. To like. What are you doing right a book that? What can you do different from? Just, do something different right now you can go back to renting you stupid book later, but can you do these ten things for me and it's like no, but this is important and you have to really, and because you hear other people. Treat it that way you. Can. You internalize that you're showing well? Maybe it isn't that important is writing stupid stories. Who Cares and then that's how you lose it, and that's how it goes away, so you've got to protect. Yeah I. Think it's also yes, you have that and you also have like the idea that. You. Don't have a boss like you don't have. You know what I'm saying like it's. I sometimes long for like. A boss to that can be like. Hey, they said. I have to go work. because. You know there's I mean especially. You got a family and there's like. Yeah, I really need to do this, but like. Technically. I don't have to do it right this minute, but that easily. Happens all the. Exactly exactly. Yeah, you don't so I try to let like my mortgage statements beat boss. Pin them up there. A of being yelled at by my bill. Yeah? Yeah I feel like the. CORONATE has made all of that much harder so much working at home and. I built us like a desk into this lake. Little closet in our. A room, but it's really we can't. She's on meetings all day on zoom during right. It's just like this is insane. And the kids are doing school and. So, very everybody's. Screens. All right man well, it was a pleasure talking to you I. Really appreciate you taking. Thank you. Everybody. Go read wanders and other chuck things what? Where should they keep up with what's going on with you? I'm on twitter height. So that's probably not curly. You're not gonNa find me a match winning their. Match underscore winning on Instagram, and the blog is usually the cleanest. Place to find that's terrible. MINDS DOT COM. Cool. Awesome well thanks so much man I. appreciate it. Hey, thanks man! If. You have a moment today. It would help a ton if you leave us a review on Apple podcasts and show this episode with a friend be sure to follow the podcast on twitter and Instagram at carried the fire pod on my producer, Andy Laura, and all of our executive producers. Chris Reeves Tony Pinero Sam George Brandon Valencia. Re Duchess Thomas Forecourt showing your Hassan. Hassan Amy Armstrong Luis Rivera gave him new news. Cameron Lane Michael Maitland Andrew Diaz Adam Collins Susannah Coleman Ian Hunt John Paul Diego David Cobb. 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The Spanish Flu | The Pandemic of 1918

Can We Health You?

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The Spanish Flu | The Pandemic of 1918

"Hi welcome to our podcast. Can we help you. My name is alice lloyd. And i'm a nutritional therapy practitioner and my name is lesley earned off and i am a registered yoga instructor today. We're gonna be talking about nutrition in the spanish flu era about nineteen eighteen but first pandemic that we had really to gain more modern history and more modern history. Others write true. Yes yes and we'll also talk about What people were doing as far as exercise during that time as well so Just a few facts to get us started about what was going on what people were doing in nineteen eighteen The president was woodrow wilson. If you were going to go to a movie it would cost you. Twenty seven cents Books that people were reading would have been metamorphosis by franz kafka a portrait of an artist as a young man by james joyce you might have been dancing to the tiger rag which was done by the original dixieland jazz band or rock. A bye your baby by owl jolson. So those are things that people were doing. Maybe prior to the horrible flu pandemic over in one thousand nine hundred eighty before they got sick and sad sick. So you're going to talk about What people were eating back then yet trends were happening yes. I'm super eager to hear. Okay going on all right so just for timeframe World war one was Nineteen fourteen to nineteen eighteen and then the spanish flu came around february nineteen eighteen. So it's thought to have first been identified and military personnel. Actually more soldiers died from the flu than the war. This crazy isn't it. Isn't that right and it was in kansas right Yup i yes emerged yes But the flu of nineteen eighteen was fatal for infants and healthy adults as well. Right adly Older people who were typically The first victims tend to have been spared because they may have developed immunity as young adults due to the exposure exposure from the russian flu. That was a russian influence which handwriting yep so. That was a pandemic as yeah. That was so. By the time it was nineteen eighteen they had perhaps developed residual bear. Uh-huh yeah so back back then There was no vaccine for the flu. That came around the The government focused instead on social remedies like isolation quarantining good personal hygiene use of disinfectants limitations of public gatherings. Which sounds exactly like what's happening today. Graphics and social right and masks as well like fabric it wasn't like they weren't really good. Right what i read that. They basically would hold up there like handkerchief that they had. Yeah remember like. Yeah but see handkerchief. rain They would hold those up on the subway instead or the trains or whatever instead of an actual like legit ma right So that's totally similar to today. I feel like even. Today people are talking. More about these social limitations. Instead of right attrition. absolutely nobody's talking about what you should be eating mine really and we're gonna talk about that. We are a bonus episode So the surgeon general's advice to avoid the influenza Continued to be more lifestyle of course than food like i just said they say to avoid needless crowding smother your costs and sneezes i think that the word usage interesting yes so minister. Say your nose. Not your mouth was made to breathe through Remember the three cs clean mouth clean skin and clean clothes okay. That's really one see. Just just clean cut. Okay point. they they said To your food. Well wash your hands before i ask. Why would that matter chewing. You're just thinking about digestion. Staying healthy that way all right. But when i get to some of the food that they recommending digestion doesn't really seem like it plays a part. Okay the doesn't necessarily like healthful. Okay with your hands before eating. Don't let the waste products of digestion. They were really concerned with like bowel movement. Bowel movement Thank avoid tight close tight shoes take gloves seek to make nature your ally not your prisoner. Yeah okay when the air is pure breed all of it you can read the deeply with pure air Maybe they're referring to like people in the denser population The smog error are habla lucien. And you think about the vehicles flowers are still very new xilai shocking. Yeah streets with all. They're like yeah you know so. Fresh air was harder. Exotic combi Maybe close relations right yeah. Urban areas people were getting the flu Yeah well yeah. I wonder if there was an exodus of people to the country. Like there is kind of now. Yeah people have been kind of getting out of the city right. They're coming to. Our county are are rural canada. Okay so food food during the pandemic so typical. It's called invalid. Cookery okay. the invalids were not people that were not valid but people that were sick sure they were cared for mostly by women. It was in food that they fed. The invalids was soft liquid easy to digest food so beef broth beef broth. Okay now be from. He's other meat offs. They had the right idea That immunity does come from good. Good healthy for your broths. okay But they also used a lot of milk-based puddings right eggs cooked cereals. Like farina that Serials were coming into the food system at this time for rena is like cream of wheat and okay oatmeal milk. Toast women so women care of these of the invalids and they mostly focused on Giving them all of these foods like in liquid form so for eggs. I may do this. It's called it's just a segue drink right at quite lemon juice and sugar ray. It's super super sweet name. Yeah it really. Did he say lemonade super and it was. It was pretty good but it was because of all the sugar l. The sugar for sure. The health of egg necessarily isn't in the white. It's in the yo so it was a white not total guoco so and it was raw. Am i going to get from this. No but i didn't. You brought me a nice egg. That's full of a beautiful farm fresh. I really appreciate that. Thank you so. The women fed the invalids. This egg drink. They also made oatmeal gruel which was oatmeal sugar salt Almost equal parts equal par parts. And then you get out of salt. You pour that mixture into pint of boiling water. Cook in a saucepan for thirty minutes. Strain added cup of milk and bring to boil. I have to tell you. I'm thankful you didn't make that for me to drink the drink much better. Yeah that sounds right. Lots of milk. Like malted milk buttermilk. They added citrus to milk products to make these kernels it right. That makes it prouder mill. I think in their mind it makes it okay to eat if the citrus is kinda into raw egg even like a preservative preserved acts as of So when so you know that's what they were eating. Yeah sounds delicious. When the patient's temperature would return to normal they increased A more the broths became soup With bigger chunks of meat our potato or care at okay. Potato soup boiled custard. Still lots of sugar Potato soup i so all sugars because that seems like the complete opposite of what you would need when in the twenties is when the sugar sugar was really becoming quite the thing to have k. And there were starting to preserve foods okay and overseas for the for the war So sugar sugar. Consumption was increasing rapidly. Interesting I wonder if there was a correlation with like weight gain during that time period. I think it took a couple of decades for a really start really because now it's like everything right or even everything so upsetting depressing labels it is. It is awful. So that's kind of all. I could find about food The kind of like soupy pale food right. That didn't that doesn't in my mind have that much nutritional value so it was more just to kind of keep them alive absolute things that they could keep down. Yeah certainly when you have the flu. I don't know. I mean you're not necessarily vomiting right now but it's bland brat diet the brat diet. Yeah that's no that we were. I think we were taught that yet. Arkan's just bland easy to digest foods absolutely kinda similar. Good new nutrients were lacking for sure. Sounds like it was nothing green because now they say of course you know you wanna have a colorful elite in front of me rate. That sounds like it's so monotone absolutely everything. Yeah yeah they were focused. More on like food handling was very important to them. Just like the social limitations. unwrapped bread. They were worried about That was carried home. They thought maybe the flu could be Transferrable into the home from holding the brad. Okay like it would pick it up. Pick it up. Yeah or fruits and vegetables. They were worried about the flu. Like attaching to the to the foods in a stand that you would see on the side of the road on the sidewalk. How they displayed food You know The made back then. There were many people that s worker house workers if she does not wash our hands and skuld the dishes properly Sickness may come into the house or if the cook taste in stirs with the same spoon. as this quote says she would be treacherous albeit intentioned person to have around readdress with good intentions neighboring. That of course ashamed. We're be doing that anyway. Should know they were. They said that the the milkman is honest and sanitary man. A lot of trust was placed on the milk delivery. Cain which is interesting to me. Because i feel like at the same time This is when the food giants began their Relation and serials were invented Everybody at home wanted fast. Quick breakfast us sure. So as the milk was coming to their house they had a brand new box of like cornflakes and boom there was breakfast around like the first convenience and even warnings were coming from the government saying that. Trust your milk okay. Don't worry about it it's good food. Meanwhile which i don't think are very healthful foods Cereals were also being touted as a health healthy way to start your day right. Well thank you used to have to make their their. They'd have to get like three in the morning. Show get the oven warmed up. Yeah had to bring would start the funeral fire and grinder. Weet the bread and go collect the eggs or wrap the x. From where so yeah. It seems like crazy made change for. Somebody's day yeah. Whereas when i'm trying to get breakfast ready for my three kids which is waste employer than what they had to do. Something simple. sometimes it's just like oh of course. Yeah then. I feel lazy but all of so that that in a nutshell is the bland diet of the spanish flu. Pandemic very bland. Yeah well it's interesting interesting stuff. Think about you know help people even today like you're saying the brat diet right. I was trying to say my youngest got sick when he was an infant near like. Give him the diet. She was like an infant. Like you wouldn't even be doing that stuff anyway. But it was still something that was being touted. Even he's fourteen. So yeah now that's not that long ago. Not it's not something they're recommending needs days. I don't think right I don't know yeah i have not heard. It's not that. I think i think right immunity for ya or if you're ill you just keep hydrated absolutely and put down which can yeah and it might be bland like toast right absolutely. But yeah but being hydrated. When you're sick as is most important. I don't you think see anything. And he thinks about hydrates. Nothing about hedger's For movement background while they're eating their bland while they reading their bland foods. Yeah well yeah. And the other people eating It seemed like everybody was sick. So you know i'm rambling. That horrible plan food. Yeah so a when. I was doing my research for what people were doing. As far as movement goes You know there wasn't a whole lot necessarily of what you would think of traditionally today movement calisthenics or jumping or whatever. What people kind of do today but what they did discover and actually learned this a little bit ago when i got certified to teach pilates is that joseph pilates the creator of the exercise that we now know ads. Pilates developed his exercise program during the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic over during the spanish flu pandemic so Joseph pilates was born in germany in eighteen. Eighty three so. Yeah we kind of go through what he did and how he developed this and why he developed at number one so he was born in eighteen. Eighty three and as a child He had as he was kind of sickly And he turned to exercise an athletics to battle his pants and was always studying. Various exercise regimes to expand his knowledge base He also observed the fluid movements of house cats and children and began to mimic them. That so cool now. Rate and he also kind of studied the classical greek ideal of man who is balanced in body mind and spirit and he began to develop his own exercise system based on that concept so the balancing of mind and body which is also we know in yoga got as well from animals to to like certainly saw some of the postures Are kind of would relate to yes to the animals to animals and then some are like more like shapes. Yeah yeah so yeah. That's true the point okay. So then what's pilates reached adulthood He overcame his ailments so he was able to through his kind of persistent work Become he then became a self Excuse me now. He threw his work He became a skier a diaper. A gymnast and a vox her so he was really active. Really very active and in one thousand nine hundred twelve. He moved to england and became a self defense trainer for scotland yard. I also found so. I've read that in one article in another article. I found that he moved to england to become a circus tumbler. So maybe he did. Both you never know. Circus circus tumbler. Yeah because he was kind of lake into gymnastics. Yeah goes partly stretching and students and the amount of strength that takes to do that sort of thing right. Oh my god you know he. He seemed like he really like revelled in strength and things at the body can do So yeah so he was. You know either or self defense trainer or circular So then along came world war one and of course he's living in england and which is of course nineteen fourteen like you mentioned is when it started and he along with other german nationals were placed in an internment camp on the isle of man because i guess they thought they were concerned he was a spy or whatever and we know we did that too right and world war two okay so he was assigned the position of nurse And one of his job duties included rehabilitation. So i guess people who were injured in the war would come to this place And he would help rehabilitate them. Well how does he was there. I know right so during this time. He refined the ideas. He'd already been kind of working with working on as a child and as he grew up And he trained other internees so the other people that were in turn with him in his system of exercise so what he would do as he would. Rick springs to hospital beds in this would enable the bedridden patients to exercise against a resistance so that spring provided persistence And that innovation led to his leader equipment designs what we know as reformer rain but not supposedly not a single one of joe's trainees died and he claimed that testified to the effectiveness of his exercise system that the movement was able to keep the body strong enough to fight off disease while so that was what he kind of attributed to flunk jeopardy so finally he was released and he was repatriated to germany in nineteen nineteen and he began working with medical practitioners in hamburg and berlin and it was during that time that he further developed his theories on fitness and conditioning So his thinking was shaped by his work with injured soldiers during the war was a big into fitness and sport and he benefited from this post war intellectual era in germany in which science literature philosophy and the arts flourished European holistic therapies such as hydrotherapy trigger point therapy and breath work also influenced pilates development as did meditation and modern dance while these things. It's not like they were kind of experiencing some sort of enlightening kind of phase during that time He invented an apparatus which improved upon the standard equipment of the time. Which could both address physical dysfunction or injury and condition the body Pilates prototype apparatus eventually became the universal reformer also. We all know that day or some of us who are taking those classes. yeah Which i enjoy those type of classes. the reformer. Who has i. Don't take it off into their over former class and a matt. Yes they're different okay So when i got certified. I got certified in mat pilates. Okay and then yeah. You have to get a separate certification for reform her to teach other reformers super expensive I believe they are as a teacher. You have to have a couple yellow expensive. yes yeah. it's an investment is sure and you need multiple and it's nice to be in a class with multiple people i think But get matt is different but similar. There are similarities between the. Yes when i took the reform classes like oh a do this on. The floor is just now resistance. slightly different. They're both a lot of fun. And good for you and matt you are resisting with your own body Okay yes you're really working hard war. Yeah i think they're both challenging in their own ways. Because you know you're still using your body weight with the reform of it. The new a little resistance with the the springs. And then you have these kind of police overhead. You're holding onto these handles. And so you're moving your arm and down. There's all sorts and you might be pushing off the Like a kind of a bar to move your body on the little carriage. There's sort of. I guess what you call it a carriage anyway. Yes you're down there and there's a moot and there's all movement and you do have to really coordinate mind and body. Yeah you have to think about what you're doing. Think about how your breathing. Which all kind of brings you into yourself you know similarity. Okay all right. So where was i okay here. We are the principles of pilates. Were astonishingly modern. They revolved around. What's known today as functional fitness. Meaning that the goal wasn't to look hot or develop large muscles so it's more just being fit not necessarily trying to Get soul as they say. China didn't sound stupid but anyway the aim was to master everyday life and tasks the method revolved around a series of thirty four. That exercises performed in sequence today at the heart of pilates instruction okay so now we're moving onto nineteen twenty And pilates began working with famed boxing manager and this particular boxing manager Managed the heavyweight champion of the world. Max sch lemming that was in nineteen thirty He was the heavyweight so he kind of worked with is really famous boxing manager. So i think that that gave him a little more. Notoriety and attention So he because of this notoriety. The german the german military took notice of him essentially and they wanted him to start training the military police but pilates became aware that the government was covertly attempting to rebuild its military which he was against. He opposed the prospect of another war which sheriff so many people thought because the world war one or the great war as they called it had just really it was so close by you know just barely in the rear view right so sure there was not a lot of people didn't want to go into another war so anyway so he was opposed to the prospect of another war so he immigrated to america in nineteen twenty six brought his neon and we got the benefit from it So he had a brother. Fred who already lived in saint louis missouri and together. They made several improvements to his original apparatus which included placing the frame closer to the ground and replacing the original. Wait stock with coil springs. He also added leather straps. Which could be used to imitate movements Which was a popular exercise at the time and he developed an extensive repertoire of exercises to be performed on the apparatus. He named the universal performer. Which i already mentioned And he called the program. Corrective exercise and leader branded. It control aji But we still of course no it s pilates today so he didn't call it pilates. Sure if eventually he did but initially it was called control allergy. So that's what he that's what he called it because you know you're trying at the science of control right so your. I'm not sure when it shifted to become known as pilates if it was later when he had opened up his gym and it was called because he called his gym pilates universal gymnasium. Oh wow And that opened in the fall of nineteen twenty nine. Save by them. Well let's see so twenty nine. He was born. What did i say. Eighteen eighty threes lake so supportive. Yeah forty something Yeah yeah me right And at that time to nineteen twenty nine. He petitioned for his citizenship of the united states. so by the late nineteen thirties. New york city had become a mecca for dancers and during this plot developed a reputation for his ability to quote fix dancers injuries. Yes Sounds like a nice man. I think he's pretty nice. I'm not reading anything to the contrary then tom nine. Yeah it helpful. Yeah looking out for people's health health that's not a word health Yes oh oh yeah okay. So among those who came to the pilates studio where to famed modern dancers ruth st denis and ted shawn and shawn invited pilates to develop an exercise program for his dance camp in the berkshire mountains And the place was called jacob's pillow which sounds weird. But that was the name of the place Where pilates taught between nineteen forty two in nineteen forty seven and that place at jacob's pillow Pilates developed his signature matt exercise. So that's when the map plot. I was born during the forties So then he published some books and his second book was called return to life through through control allergy and that was published in nineteen forty five and this defined his credo for total wellbeing He passionate passionately believed that if his methods were universally adopted and taught in america's educational institutions every facet of life would be improved and his vision. Was that a systematic disciplined approach to physical and mental mastery would raise the individual to a place of higher personal awareness and would positively impact the world by eliminating human suffering and reducing the need for hospitals sanitariums mental mental institutions and even prisons. Wow some serious marketing. I mean leagues me. Really had a lot of faith in him. Change the world. I think those same words should be used for the marketing of pilates. Now right yeah absolutely should out of prison and try wanna stay out of prison. That's perfect their new tagline. All right so then. He kept on working tyler. Tirelessly teaching his ideas about the body health and wellbeing. He was profiled in magazines newspapers and on television television throughout his career yet. His work remained confined to an elite group of loyal followers. So really didn't kind take off. It was more. I think people in the dance community and then people who maybe a new york maybe new york socialites. Or whoever Would you know kind of take his classes and ascribed to his worldview. Yeah so in. The nineteen fifties bodies began to grow bitter about what he saw as the medical communities. Myopic view of health care not focusing on preventive care and poor standards for proper physical conditioning. Which i mean for heaven's sakes sounds like today right absolutely our know. Our health system is all about treating the sick not preventing zik of serie. So what i wrote but all was not lost. Many dance studios began incorporating his mat exercises into their warm ups and his first generation teachers began taking his methods worldwide. So in nineteen sixty seven at the age of eighty three joseph pilates died of advance emphysema and his wife was smoking. He might have been all along. I don't know. I mean. I guess you don't have to smoke to get him but back then i feel like it's directly probably but you also have to think of back then. They didn't know that smoking was bad. I thought it was okay. Fashionable and cool totally cool. Yeah i'm in now. It's not an now in the nineties. Still very cool yeah. Absolutely dummies So his wife continued to work until she retired in nineteen seventy so just a few years after that. She kind of kept it going. So today pilates is taught in studios in gyms all over the world and joseph pilates dream. Conscientious living based on daily intentional. Practice towards one's health mental and physical is has been more realized So yes of course we all know that pilates as an exercise form took off and is still widely practiced today and of course it is something we can do at home during the pandemic and though there are those that would dispute pilates claim that his regimen prevented the contraction of the spanish flu There are those that would contradict that. They say mainly because the isle of man where he was interred in turn rather was fairly isolated and didn't see a whole lot of cases anyway. So maybe that's probably more likely why not necessarily but it could have been a combination of the two But regardless we know that starting from a healthy place that is exercising and eating right you are less likely to get sick and even if you do your symptoms can be less though not always nothing is one hundred percent effective So at least comes from a good start. Yeah yeah nutrition right taking care of yourself in getting enough sleep drinking enough fluids water all that right. No fast food. No no yucky I did want to mention which. I had forgotten to write down that the reason that it is called the spanish flu is because during world war one Anything that was seen to hurt the war effort was kept under wraps and they thought governments worldwide governments who were participating in war. One thought that mentioning the flu As being serious pandemic would hurt the war effort so they kept it. Unwraps and spain was the first one to admit that they had the flu shots. There was presence. So that's why. It's called the spanish flu though it likely did not originate there. I mean there's this possibilities originated plenty of other places including here in kansas So some found that interesting so we call it the spanish flu but it really is not spain's fault interests right. Yeah that's interesting to be Corona guess is kind of mentioned to be the china chinese flew chinese flow or whatever. Yeah but china virus the virus so it seems like we need like a place. We need to blame it. We need to blame somebody. The pen on the map somewhere where it came around right. It's a little bit harder than that. Yeah and it's not you know especially in today in just like back then. There was so much movement because of the war. Yeah that's the way it was able to spread so fast globally. Yeah and just like today. Such a global community. Of course it's going to spread. You know stuff like that down how hard it must have felt like to have war and then global pandemic. so you're losing like having global pandemic which is horrible. I mean thank god. Well there's wars and stuff happened nas as global not a world war great war. How major right. You're losing family members to the war. You'll family members to the flu. Yeah awesome any little shred of hope to hang onto like how dare i judge their their food. They're bland flute because they really right. That's been working a little bit. They were trying then. They were trying to try power to that to the women taking care of infants right pilates or in time or anything. Yeah yeah great well well. It's so much fun talking to you about this. Sounds like we have few little bonus epa. Say yes out of this kind of branch off. Yeah so we'll have a bonus episode of What to eat during this pandemic day during this pandemic scared of what. I'll is a little bit healthier way to keep your immune system up right right so just yeah like and subscribe right. I'm supposed to say like screw up and follow us on instagram grams. Can we help you. Oh there's an underscore at the outset. Don't forget that. Yep yep we're there okay right. We'll see you next signed.

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Ep 493 - Mrs. Dalloway, by Virginia Woolf

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Ep 493 - Mrs. Dalloway, by Virginia Woolf

"This is a head gum. Podcast while andrew and craig believed the joy of discovery is crucial to enjoying any well told tale. They will not shy away. From spoiling specific story beats when necessary. Plus these are books. You should read by now Hey everybody welcome to overdo podcast about the books you've been meaning to read. My name is craig. Name's andrew in the face that you've been making lately before you wind up to start saying the name of the podcast does make it look like you're inviting angel to yeah habit your body. Who could is there. A greek which is which is the greek god of writing. You look that up real quick. I'm inviting is no jerry homer god of writing oh muse fath- thought off. That's egyptian okay. That's gonna say did a bad. Google did a bad job sing to me. Oh muse about a complicated podcasts. Stor enter into me so that i might record this show which is about books yet Each week on the show one of us read one of them tells the person about it and then we get out on the other side. And maybe we've learned some stuff as we've discovered when we've read other books. It is best to assume that the greek gods are all surrounding us at all times in an testing us to make sure that we're meeting up to their expectations. So yeah whichever greek god is into you just. It's best if you just pretend. There's one mike look over your shoulder right out and all the time i'll miss listen to our podcast. That'd be nice. I mean they've seem like they have time on their yes true. I buy that We're gonna talk about a book. This week i read a novel by. Virginia woolf called mrs dalloway. We have talked about virginia woolf before what books that we read by virginia before andrew So we read we read orlando we you read orlando. I read orlando. That sounds about right to the lighthouse. Are there any other ones. No we talked about her and the reason that we're doing this episode is the hours episode. Yeah I read the hours a few months ago which was based on mrs dalloway and on air. You basically dared me to read this book. That's the best way to get somebody to do something to to get them to begrudgingly. Agreed to it in like a high pressure public situation a lot of success with that method. And what's interesting is that i could have stopped the show and edited the part where you dared me out of it you could. Have you know you had that edit. And you didn't do it. I think this is how we got. You reloaded rings to just kind of happens like this. Yeah yeah well here we are. What do you what do you want. We should remember some things about virginia woolf just in case someone is like just come into the show justice covering virginia woolf virginia wolfe is an english author was born in eighteen eighty two and died in in nineteen forty one She is a fixture in the literary canon for many reasons including her work and her sexuality and her history of of mental illness and what her works have to say on on those topics she was a. She's a modernist. Yeah school of literature. That she is she is part of. And what you need to know about. Modernists is that they're modern. It's the whole my like self-consciously avoiding like recreating previous kinds of art. Like you're you're trying to do something new and you are doing that on purpose and sav just like kind of doing it as an evolution like a clear evolution from a previous thing. It's more like in opposition to our in response to the previous thing. Yeah i think that comes out. And that comes out of world war one being so unprecedentedly. Traumatic in horrible that. Nobody knew how to process any of yeah. That's the that's the shortest answer on that one. Yeah i'm not gonna pretend that's comprehensive. But that's part of like i went back and listen to the orlando the orlando episode in the intro to The hours episode. And that's my summary of the summary of the dosage assure modernism. This is a very modernist episode that we're doing right here or is it postmodern who knows anymore. They're one and she also was was she she's also pre well known for like a stream-of-consciousness sort of writing style which i think mrs dalloway traffics in a lot. As the account of one day in the life of one woman who is like planning party. Yes this is her third an awful or no her fourth novel. Excuse me I had my bullet points wrong. Because like yeah sorry. Her voyage was the first one night and day jacob's room. This one is nineteen twenty five and so the other novels that we've covered are still to come Lighthouses next i think in orlando is after that and i think a lot of folks point to this as the like. Oh this is what she would be known for like. I have heard of those other three novels. I just said prior. Mrs dalloway except for every time i've mentioned on this show like the other virginia woolf books i've heard of there's like they resonate out in someone who's a listener and is a fan of wolf should write in and tell me which one of those i'll read at some point but this book came from too short stories that she had worked on previously. And i think. I don't know if the for if mrs dalloway in bond street had been published. I think it had been published prior to this novel. Being written and the opening line is different so this book is famous for its first sentence Mrs dalloway said she would buy the flowers herself. That's getting of the day. Okay apparently in the short story. It was said she would gloves herself. I'm left sort of nonplussed. Guess what kind of questions do you have about the flat about the flowers. And the mrs and the herself guess you. I guess you pick up a lot. Well i don't even know if you pick up a lot about mrs dalloway from that. I guess i am left. Assuming that is having someone else by the flowers would be an option hung. She she i guess she has to help probably means yeah she's married and these flowers are significant enough to her or whatever she's doing in some ways she's chosen to do it herself instead of delegating. Yeah or else. She just has problems delegating in the first place. Also i get it see. We're learning a lot just with a few words if by learning you mean pool and stuff. Alvar butts then yes. I'm i'm learning all the time pulling stuff out of the text. This is what a close re we don't do close reads on the show where we just pick apart ten words at a time or so. That's kind of how we do. Our bonus don quixote thing. That's true one of our friends. When hearing that we are still reading don quixote said. Are you still reading don quixote. Yeah so that's you. You'd asked me to find interviews with wolf about this book. I didn't really find anything on on a quick search. But i did find an interview With a professor and critic named merv imre who edited and annotated collection of wolf's working was talking about mrs dalloway in particular and she says quote hits that sweet spot and her career the middle period of her novels and with it a much more deliberate and purposeful understanding of her own craft. Which you see in the diaries and drafts. A my approach is that the entertainer is a kind of companion along with the author a friendly voice or an occasionally critical or compatible combat. Voice i transcribe the entire manuscript myself. And i never been that close to text before in doing this. I realized just how political novel. Mrs dalloway is. Many of my students ask. Why should we care about an old posh woman throwing a party but when you read it you realize how concerned she is with british imperialism. And how bitingly satirical it is is about an entire society coming out of lockdown and mass death and how to grieve without compensation. That's a great quote. Yeah so there's i. I don't i i can't always count on one of us having a smart thing to say so we can outsource that to somebody else. Yes there's somebody smart saying something smart about mrs. Yeah there's a. There's a letter that wolf had written. I was reminded of this also speaking of smart things to say right. I love san smart stuff but we don't always got so bad at it. It's fun to do. And you get there Marine howard wrote the forward to the addition that i read And talks a lot about this work being this modernist work. That has responded to the war. that's responding to other mon. Modernist work like ulysses by james joyce responding to prove. We're gonna have to repress one day it's been almost five hundred episodes and we've avoided it so far so okay. Let's keep just like neo. Dodging those bullets. And there's some stuff in there about this. The political nature of the text of the sense of time talks a lot about how. We've brushed over this today. But wolf was also a pretty respected literary critic and published a lot of different essays on on fiction and nonfiction. Like think she'll start a lot of private stuff that letter. There's some speculation that mrs dalloway is like a response to or like in some kind of conversation with james joyce's ulysses and wolf is. She has a lot of bad stuff to say about ulysses but only in public but only drive it. Excuse me private but so. She was apparently working on an essay while she was writing this book. And there's some stuff about the The the unity of time like the whole book taking place in one day being kind of set within this one location with these characters that does feel very like greek aristotle poetics kind of stuff but then you said that earlier andrew about like never. This was a smart thing. You said about nev- botanists. Not wanting to write the same story twice or the same type of book twice and wolf said in a letter about the curse of writing modernist novels i have to create the whole thing afresh for myself each time. Probably all writers now are in the same boat. It is the penalty. We pay for breaking with tradition and the solitude makes the writing more exciting though the being read less so one ought to sink to the bottom of the sea. Probably in live alone with one's words which is an auspicious or inauspicious. End to that quote But yeah the sense that you you can't just write a bunch of novels like this and have the be part of a series like wouldn't you couldn't just have a whole series of mrs dalloway novels that function this way which is interesting. I think mrs dalloway showed up and a number of short stories by wolf after this book was published but No this is not like you. Don't this isn't the seven th in a romance syria. This is not genre fiction all right. So i've told you about the opening of this book. Andrew and i'm glad that you did okay gonna do the plot as it were because i didn't know a win to bring this up but you'd like struggling to decide whether you think the plot. The book has applauded. Reminds me of this hub article. I found called the thirty six. Best one star amazon reviews of mrs dalloway. No and it's a lot of. It's this article is a joy to breed because there are a lot of people being critical of the book and not having a plot and then they're like one or two like virginia woolf reply guys who are popping up all these negative reviews to t- there's one guy named dvd easy. Yeah that's indeed who keeps popping up to tell people how wrong they are. And they don't like mrs dalloway but anyway my favorite of these referred to mrs dalloway as quote as bad as faulkner. Just being very wordy and verbose and all kinds of just like coming at you and be in sort of vague and shapeless and so so yeah when we talk about the plot of the book understand that that is not widely understood to be the point of the book or like why you read the book. No so let's talk about the plot. And i'm sure it won't take long is what i'm saying. Yeah clarence is going to buy some flowers for a high society party that she's thrown and she's going to explain it all the somebody and then a man comes in through her window. There is a a window feature in this book. I wonder if clarissa explains it all got her name from clarisa dalloway. That's interesting maybe four. It's not interesting because it's not true. We'll never know no one it up ever clears. The dow is buying flowers. She's walking down bond street in london and she's looking book went like bookshop windows. And jesus picking out some flowers she bumps into this guy named hugh whitbread. Yes hugh signature hewitt read. Yeah he kinda stinks. he's just. He's just like a pompous obnoxious dude. Most of the guys in this book stink for various. Most people in this book stink but anyway and like wall. She's out on the street. Noises happen a car backfires. A plane flies overhead in the sky and these events are ways in which wolf will like kind of shift. The camera away from dow away for a second give us a little bit of somebody else. Some other person. In london responding and noticing the sounds So a cup. Some of these characters come back many of them do not. They're just people living in the world having thoughts about things primarily when the car backfires. It's who's in that car. Celebrity is in that car. is it the queen. there's a sense of like. Would you be a celebrity. Whose car was a very. It's a very fancy car. I it's also the nineteen twenties so all cars are kinda crappy. Yeah yeah. There's an aeroplane in the sky and it spelling something in the air. Surrender dorothy it. It's people don't know if it's spelling like one person thinks spelling cream. Oh one person thinks they're pretty sure it spelling toffee is. It might be an ad. It's unclear what it is. And again it's mostly different people reacting. You're getting all these details though all thrown at you. yeah And mrs dalloway is like in and out of this part of the book. She has met hugh she's bumped into one or two other people she has looked in some shop windows The big thing for her in the first part of this novel is that her former love. Peter walsh peter. Walsh peter welch. Peter walsh Something he is back in town he has spent instead of boy. He's back in town away in india And he is as he tells us later in the novel he is here to like. I think kind of deal with some marital divorce paperwork point. I'm sorry to keep in. Mind is up as at the point when india still a subject of the crowned that is it is. I made a note of that. Because you know so that post i think the that starts coming apart in nineteen forty seven when india gets independent. Something like that so here. We are postwar one. So there's a lot in this book where these like upper-crust people have thoughts about england. Most of them are good. Thought most of them are good thoughts or at least even if they have quibbles end qualms with what specifically happening in england. They're li- they're still feeling very protective and rally around the flag about it. Got uh-huh uh-huh and yeah. We're twenty years from decolonization. We are the empire we are now coming out of. World war one. It's been revealed that britain is no longer like the biggest military power in the western world. Like there are reasons to not think that you are the best people on earth and some of these people think that they are Is that some of the underpinning is certainly came into this book not expecting it to be political. I had not done that like the research coming in. I knew about it. Being a woman's day buying flowers and stream-of-consciousness like inner monologue inner turmoil stuff. I was not expecting the commentary on british class. Stuff that i probably should have expected knowing when it was written but still i. I didn't know get on virginia. Woolf's twitter and tell her like stud stick to gay kissing. Stop to stop doing all this political stuff. You imagine telling telling someone to stick to gate kissing. Don't even think there is. There is no civically talked about how little kissing there was in virginia. Woolf's like entire body of work. So i mean there is a kiss. There is a kiss between two women in this novel. it's very notable. yeah but you're i'm just making financial. Okay that's all i'm doing. The thing with her and peter is that she had rejected his proposal years ago and married. Richard dalloway instead. He's were. I think he's in parliament. He works for the conservative. Government does a lot. Somebody calls him. Like has steady has a second rate brain. Which is while. he's he'll never be in the cabinet but he seems to be competent and fine It's peter's opinion that he's kind of boring in and has Rendered clarisa a like less interesting version of herself and she could have become sure Worth noting that most of these folks are in their fifties or sixties. It is a very middle aged book from these perspectives. And i think that's important. Does that cover clarisa too. yes Fifty two. I think unless i'm just remembering but There is this sense that like we made through. were one or they. We made it through the war. Didn't know we made it through the only world war that there will ever be great war And we our generation you know we were not necessarily ones in the trenches but like the world is were part of this big changing world and most of us have most of our potential to change behind us. So now we're gonna on this day. We're having a party. Were gonna have a lot of feelings about how most of us have changed. And not in the ways that we expected to do so The scene between peter and clear so that happens a little ways. The book gets really close to 'em expressing feelings for each other. it's a lot of internal monologues about their feelings for each other and he cries. She kisses him briefly. They have more internal thoughts and feelings. And then just as. He's about to ask her if her husband makes her happy courses daughter. Elizabeth comes in and peter runs away and she goes. Remember my party later and Invites in a panic to her party which he had not planned to do. This is the set up to a seinfeld episode. Gotta hope not the other major character in the novel is this guy named septimus smith. He is like thirty ish He is a veteran of world. War one And he suffers from. Ptsd in the book and in this era it was just kind of blanket. Lee referred to as shell shock And so folks who might come to a wolf novel expecting some investigation of mental illness or at least some stuff that might resonate with what we know about wolf in and her life like this where you find it in septimus. I believe this is alluded to not disillusioned and this is depicted in the hours. there was orig- originally the draft of the story Clarissa dalloway dies by suicide at the end of the book. Septimus coming into this was like later invented as she was working on the novel And he does by the end of the book die suicide and his the beginning of his story is that he has attempted it and his wife is seeking treatment for him and he his stories. Very sad He suffers from a lot of like hallucinations. And shell shell. Shock is one of the things. Yeah yeah. I mean that's all anybody calls it in iraq. I mean that that is the you term that is used to encompass a wide variety of like p. t. s. t. and other related things that we understand slightly better now but yeah that was. That was the phrase. Kept coming up while i was reading stuff about the book Was shell shocked and he has married a young woman from italy. This woman lucretia and or the criteria. I think there's z. In there And she wants to have kids or and again. I'm telling you things that are like we discover them in their heads as they're working through their problems and i'm sure a lot of this stuff is happening like you are putting it in order for me because that is how a conversation about a book has. Maybe you're not getting all of this. All right in a row all neatly lined up by no necessarily like you get a couple snippets of the two of them earlier in the book when the characters from dow aways plot will like wander by them in the street and go those young people look sad they they have a whole lifetime of married sadness ahead of them just they wake kind of thing so beautiful yes so moving and she is taking him to a different doctor to try and get him different treatment. That is going to that. Doctor wants to commit him to facility and keep him away like separate him from her 'cause he doesn't think it's healthy and that's causing tension for them At some point. Richard dalloway goes to lunch with a lady who may or may not like clerks a more on lady bruton to come but he walks home from. Lunch is kind of looking around at the thinking about his wife. Go and i should go home and tell her i love her. I'm gonna buy her flowers. I definitely gonna tell her. i love her. I love her so much. My life's kinda sadam sixty. I don't know what i'm doing. I'm gonna buyer some flowers until i love. He gets home. He gives her the flowers and he doesn't delleri loves they. Just there's just a moment where they go. Yeah you gave me some flowers. Thanks for these flowers. Very men have always been very in touch with their emotions. Good at communication they understand each other The what else the septimus plot resolves after. He thinks that the doctors are going to like kill his soul by taking him somewhere One of the doctors is attempting to see him without lucretia consent. They always they never actually talked to him. The one guy. Mr holmes after that mr hall no difference after septimus like i says he wants to take his life he says you're a funk Like is just yeah. it's comedy. is that the medical. I was not long back thing a character in a novel from nineteen twenty two or whatever to be like you're in a funk. Come on and they never really talked to him about his treatment. They only talk to her. Which on one hand makes sense but they're also like ignoring the patient in front of them and so he takes his life and this doesn't intersect with classes plot at all until she does throw her big party. Which based on the hours. I was not. I didn't know if we were going to get to the party. 'cause i don't recall us really getting to the party in waiting for godot party. Yeah i was waiting for something like to happen or not happen. That would prevent me seeing the party but we do go to the party. There's a lot of people there. The prime minister shows up. There's lots of people getting good party. It's a well it's an important quote unquote party. That's why met. Why says a good party. Yeah there's no dancing. There's not room for dancing so many people there to important people. Yeah and it's kinda dizzying. The the beginning of the book has a lot of people out in the street law. Different perspectives the middle of the book. Slows down a little bit as we dive into these other characters and then the end during the party. The party and wolf is just like. Let me give you a paragraph from this person a paragraph from this wacko person in paragraph from this person who judges everybody and a paragraph from this person who's kind of simple but as rich and it's like all right. Ms dow got talked to all of them and the big sticking her craw is that peter is there. He did show up to the party and like his eyes on her are like making her feel very self conscious about the life that she's leading sure and she finds out at the party that this young veteran in town has taken his own life. And i think the exact quote if i have it. I'm not sure if i have it. She it something to the effect of ono death at my party. Basically like how. How i death or somebody died the idea that someone would come to her party and talk about death. I see of all things is kind of shocking to her. And then she considers it and you start to see that like they are foils for one another. She tells herself a lot that she loves life and he has kind of found this. He doesn't think that human nature would will allow him to continue living his life and she sees that he has found. Some sort of. She tells herself anyway. She doesn't know who this person is. That maybe he has found some sort of freedom from whatever confinement. He was in and in a different story. You might think that she would make a similar choice. she is not she goes back and rejoins the party albeit kind of not sure how she feels about herself. Or you know there's a lot. I think there's a lot of interpretation to what you think of her internal state by the end of the novel. And even if i had to write a book about every party that made me question how i feel about me. I would be a very prolific off her. So there's there's something to the quotidian nature of the book. That i think is what has made it work for so many people like the characters. Don't do any like obviously some big things happen in the novel as i've talked about but like a lot of the pages of the novel is people walking around to people eating some food together And people go into one party yet and they're running errands for the party sometimes and like but wall of that is happening. They have these big thoughts about who they are who they are in relationship to these people in their lives Who they are in the relationship of the country they live in to the war that was fought And so it's it's one of those things where maybe it's like here in the in the year. Twenty twenty one. It doesn't sound as revolutionary to have this be this like internal monologue thing that characters are doing. I think it's probably progress. It's progress to the point where it's kind of thing you expect in a lot of literary fiction. Well yeah like a lot of time. You get something. That is innovative at the time. And then you just put it in the toolbox of things that you know popular fiction or popular. Whatever is allowed to do because it's been done before yom's becomes another thing that you can do I don't know. I found myself thinking of something about like just the people sitting around like kind of sniping at each other without sniping at each other openly. Reminded me of some of the stuff. That's going on like austin even but this has a much richer more metaphorical internal description of all these people and were like learning about their entire lives within their brains and minds whereas like austin might dislike. Give you a glance and talk about what they're you might. You might get a bunch of people dismissed. Because they're they are they have some weird deficiency or they're not worth taking seriously as a partner for marriage but you would actually then go to that person's internal monologue and find out that they had a rich inner life and thoughts about those stories are still really much more motivated by action. Even if they're not like you know it's not like fast and furious action but it's still like people doing things via what i mean. I do wanna just like. Would i would read victorian novels that were it. I don't want to go all like pride and prejudice ambi- you don't want everybody but like can we. Just what do you get when you append yokyo drifts to any given victoria like weathering heights coal in tokyo. What do you. What does that book you know. Start with the title in working out. Yeah lady chatterley's lover tokyo drift. Yeah premie frankenstein. Or a modern for the tokyo drift to jane to air new on my brain was going to two gentlemen to verona. But you know it works we. I want to give a couple like snippets of some of the other women that we meet in this book that i've i've of glossed over in in focusing on clemson peter. Yeah because we got a smooch right. Can we talk more about okay. Let's start with the smooch. So the smooch is. Sally seton who i think is like a childhood ish. Friend of clara's grew up with her. And peter and richard in the bunch. I think Spent a lot of time with close family Away from her own. It is like a little out of the mold. She smokes cigars. She's kinda brassy she gets into hijinks and things and they strike up a friendship mostly kind of this felt like a trope that is now like i'm very familiar with how like fresh was for different people at the time. I don't know but she like excites clarisa because she is not like openly flouting all of society's conventions but it's just like different and is willing to step outside of the boundaries sometime. You sure and they start up a friendship that clerk immediately recognizes his is both very deep and while it reminds her of the way that you might become interested in a man. She does say that isn't it is incredibly different because it also built on like the solidarity that women in the society share instantly which is a theme that crops up a few times between some of the characters share and it does In their younger years leads to them Alone at one point. I think they're arranging flowers or something flowers crop up all over the book. I can't imagine why that might be a recurring theme and they do kiss briefly and it is this like electric moment. it does invite some jealousy between Peed with peter and the whole thing so then clerk kind of shuts it down and then obviously she moves on and mary's richard and the kind of all that is left in the past when we encounter sally later in the book. Who's gonna going gonna come to the party She's married says at least once maybe two or three times. That has five boys. Like i don't think she says five big boys but the intonation is like i've got five big boys. You're just thinking about that. Because i upload that video henry saying that he was a big boy allure. It's it's both that and it's the ways in which wolf is is having clarisa see. Oh this woman who i thought was who at the time felt very transgressive and stereotype. Breaking etc has has been domestic sized in the way that this whole time. I've been carrying her as like outside of that. So while that kisses is very important. And i think is part of if clarisa looked back on her at all the things that she like diversion points where she could have not become mrs dalloway. That's like one of them But she sees sally and tallies also a version of that here as well. There's the this is the. There's one scene with this woman named doris gilman To name i for somebody who kills men. I think it's supposed to be an angles in anglo. Could sized does good. You nailed it and anglicized anglican vic side is an anglicized version of a german name like keel mon- or something still sounds incredibly intense. Who came i don't i. I don't remember if it's explicit in the book when she came to europe or when her family came to came to england. Excuse me But there's some illusions to like anti german sentiment during what we're one in how the dow always gave her work as a teacher and stuff and she is lower class though than mrs dalloway and her daughter. Elizabeth has struck up. This really like powerful friendship with doris. Gilman and that is a hurts kill. I'm sorry why. That is a relationship that i definitely remember having an analog in the hours there's the like there's a there's an nyu professor or something. Who's this kind of like activists lesbian figure that throws a lot of things back in the mrs dalloway character in that novel as well like So here they have this kind of like. We are two different types of women. Gilman really doesn't like that delaware has never really wanted for anything. But they both share a love for elizabeth and hopes for elizabeth's future the conflict in as much as there's conflict because it's this novel that we see. Is that like before the party. Doris wants to take elizabeth to the stores. Like just good. Take her out for the afternoon. Seventeen i think and get some internal monologues. Ms skillman do not hate. Mrs dalloway turning her large gooseberries colored is upon clarisa observing her small pink face or delicate body or air freshness fashion mig- skillman felt fool simpleton you of no neither sorrow nor pleasure who've trifled your life away and then clarisa says after she is like pondering a page or two about. How monstrous this woman is for like trying to steal. Her daughter away from her and clearly doesn't like her opposite was as miss. Gilman stood there and stand. She did with the power and tasks eternity of some prehistoric monster armored for primeval warfare. How second by second to the idea of her diminished how hatred which was for ideas. Not people crumbled how she lost her malignancy her size became second by second. Merely miss gilman in a mcintosh whom heaven knows. Clarisa would have liked to help at this dwindling of the monster. Clarisa laughed saying goodbye. She laughed and then later. She laughed at me dog. God like i do. I do hate her from the bottom of my heart and it's this like all she did was say i'm taking your daughter the stores. Hey remember the party later. And they stare each other and then she laughs and says goodbye like on the outside and wolf is on the inside and like these women hate each other and here. It's it's really good. There's the that stood out stuck out to me. The other one is lady britain. Who is another. i think. She's slightly older than clarisa. She regularly meets with folks. Like richard and other men like he whip red and has them like with bread. Has them write letters to the editor for her because she has opinions and wants to influence things in the world but knows that like her stuff isn't always going to get published or she needs to like phrase things in ways that men in power will respond to so she needs to talk to these dudes over lunch and she asks richard house clarisa at one point and up until this point it seems pretty clear that labor does not care for clarisa at all at least as what we've been told When she said in her off end way house clarisa husbands had difficulty in persuading their wives and indeed however devoted. We're secretly doubtful themselves of her. Interest in women who often got in their husbands way prevented them from accepting posts abroad and had to be taken to the side in the middle of the session to recover from influenza. Nevertheless her inquiry house clarisa was known by women infallibly to be a signal from a wellwisher from an almost silent companion who's utterances half a dozen perhaps in the course of a lifetime signified recognition of some feminine comp- comradeship which went beneath And it's just like smartly writing in this book like there are multiple times throughout this book. Where i was like dang you got him. You gotta virginia like you nail that person in like a paragraph and now i actually am able to hang my hat on some of the more challenging language because i have a very like clear signal of who this person is and what they're doing. I think that the book wouldn't have worked for me if there weren't those little like guideposts of character wall while these people are like regretting and reminiscing and dreaming and things that could all get really formless So yeah the the other stuff. The last thing i'll i'll say is that and this is i'll take from the From the forward that This phrase endurance is now the heroic mode. Is this thing that the forward mentions as like. We're out of world war one. What do we do in the world. Now we there. Lots of depictions of people just like. How am i going to live. Why do i live. what do i contribute to. Society is society worth contributing to And so it was like to say to me. This is not and that's what this book's about this. She's like a one point. Dalloway is trying to figure out what she's doing with her life. Why does she throw these parties. She recognizes that like. She's not super clever. She's not super well read. She is like attractive but not like super like beautiful. In a way. That's going to change the world or maker. some sort of fashion icon or or something. Like she's just a lady who is interested in people and people need a place where they can gather and feel seen and the book like gives that a lot of humanity but also undercuts it incredibly with this like end yet. This type of person is is has no notion of who septimus is and has no notion of the people that are that are not living after the war or the broken people following the war. And things like that. So i think for me. The big tension of this book is like yes. It's this wonderful remarkable novel of inner life. That if you're interested in like what stream-of-consciousness writing can do for that and things like that. It's really it's really powerful but it is also what you said at the top of like it is way more satirical and critical of a post war britain. That is like leaving people to languish. That is restricting. Social mobility for women Yeah and it's all wrapped in this like modernists. I had to event a new kind of novel to get this. I don't know what's an errand that you've run recently andrew where you had big thoughts while you were on. The errand had big thoughtful house on the air or just like and when i mean big thoughts. I don't mean like you dreamed up a new type of quantum computer but dislike. I understand I don't know if i've i've i've gone through some life changes recently whether you're talking about years or or just like months like i changed jobs. Recently he was a big thought. I you know. I've had a child and there are ongoing cushions about whether to do that again. Like i do most of my thinking about that stuff when i am on errands where my brain does not need to be one hundred percent engaged in the air in that i am on the whole time. Yeah i don't know that. I have a specific example for. I don't know but i can i. I don't know it's weird. It's not maybe a as good of an example. I have a lot of sense. Memory of aaron's i was running leading up to my wedding and while that is a higher stakes party than mrs dalloway as i have a lot of i have a lot of memory of dislike what roads. I was on in like what rental car i was driving. And just the those individual blocks of travel and stuff were kind of whatever. I was just going through traffic right but there was a lot of time during all of that process. Where you're like. Oh what i got. I'm thinking about the hundred people. I'm going to see this week. And all of the ways in which they've impacted my life and whether or not. I want them like how i want now. Whether or not how. I want them to be moving forward. I'm making cuts mares. But there is a there is a. There's a pizza place that every time i pass. It is so when when susannah was in the hospital She has she had to be her. Water broke and then she had to be in houston. Is this whole thing. So so it took a while and i Went home for a couple of hours that first night when we were just kind of waiting for stuff to have to take the car homes. We won't have to pay for parking in the parking garage and like check on the cat and make sure that because we look we it was just as rush magin. Yeah yeah. It was just a saturday morning. I was sitting in like playing dragging my ipad thinking like well unless this is probably just another lazy saturday unless something happens and then something but so. I was walking back up to the hospital from home effort. Drop the car off and everything. And there's this pizza place where i stopped and got a slice of pizza and every time. Pass that pizza place. Like i go through that. Not just memories of the entire like experience of of my fleet son being born but also the like that pizza place is a is weirdly aid like dividing line between my life before i was apparently life as and every time i pass it. I just think about that and so that there's a i don't know if that answers your question but does thing. There's some heavy things that is a heavy thing. Yeah yeah for sure. I think about when i think i don't know i'm just thinking about. We're just wrapping right now. Buffalo chicken pizza. There's a i would. I would abolish chicken pizza right. There's a cookie place whose emails i still haven't unsubscribe from because i got them for you. I i get that cookie places emails as well. But like i get those ads and i just think to my self about my friends and their kid and that's nice I don't think about regrets. Post war like the people in this book but there are other things that trigger those. Yeah and i think that for someone reading this book now in the year. Two thousand twenty one after a or during a big series of lockdowns and life and world changes and here in america we have purportedly just ended a war that went on for very too long Just like i don't know. I think a lot of that stuff will hit and it probably has hit generations of readers because those things and those like big societal changes rippling into your everyday. That never goes away. So that's that's the closest thing to a smart thing. I think i've said today. Sure but i still i brought. That's martin luther person said earlier so i'm still feeling pretty good about it was a good smart thing that you brought things. If other folks at home think inder. Thanks for listening to me. Tell you about this book course. And let's get outta here if folks at home. Want to tell us about the cookie places that give them memories and emails. Send us an email at overdue. Pod at gmail.com hit us up on facebook and twitter. Tell us more at overdue pod. Thanks to emily sean. Katie rachel salamander. That's what my notes say. Rebecca that that seems more. That's what my notes say. Thanks everybody we have to talk to you throughout the week. 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[Unedited] Mike Rose with Krista Tippett

On Being with Krista Tippett

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[Unedited] Mike Rose with Krista Tippett

"Support for on being with krista. Tippett comes from the fetzer institute helping build the spiritual foundation for a loving world veterans new study. What does spirituality mean to us. Reveal spirituality informs our understanding of ourselves and each other and inspires us to take action for the common good explore these findings and more at spirituality. Study dot org. I'm krista tippett up next my unedited conversation with the late micros. He died in august of twenty twenty. One there is a shorter produced version of this. Wherever you get your podcasts. Then let's just go. Do you have any questions of me before we start Gee i don't think so. Just well i guess one question Since we're taping. If i find myself going down a road and i'm in a dead end. Can i just start over again. Yes and you know when we We will edit this later and switch means we to have a real conversation. It doesn't have to be completely linear and if you go down and did end you can back up and walk down another direction and great. We have a lot of freedom and Terrific and digital editing. It fantastic invention. You know we could all use it in our daily lives. I'm for that. Yeah and you know. I know. I know you're familiar with this show and i think that there's such a the way you write and think and work is is very kindred to what i do i mean. It's it's getting big ideas but narrative. Lee so i i mean i think you know that but that's what i wanna do. I wanna talk about some some of the important ideas that you think about and write about and and also draw on who you are and what you know through experience as well but again i feel like i don't even have to explain that 'cause that's that's the way you approach these things so it's nice to hear it though and and You know. I really do want to have a big deep discussion and not get too bogged down in some of the discussions of education that get hashed and rehashed like no child left behind. I mean i know you've written. You know what i mean because i want us to talk about something that can endure and so we may talk about some of that near the end but but i really want to Pulled back from some of those Things those hot button issues of the moment so little man. I'll tell you. I'm hungry to do because you can imagine interviews that i do. Yeah always gets just nail down to well. What about high stakes testing or blah blah blah. Yeah like oh my god. Can we please talk about something just a little broader that. Yeah well so we thank you. Well so what we don't do. Is you need to talk about the broader things in order to have a really thoughtful critique all of this right or to caddo vision about where moves next. Okay so that's a we'll try to do And you know. I always them. You've written a lot and you've written quite personally but I i haven't seen much About this spiritual or religious background of your child if there was one that was very active In that's a place. I'd like to start. You know what. What was that in that world of your childhood. You know there wasn't it. It's interesting that the the the way religion played or didn't play in my childhood. My parents were both italian immigrants. They were catholic as guessing that yes. I was raised in the catholic church baptized first communion. You know all of that They were not cho- churchgoers particularly. My father was sick. Most of the time. I knew him and my mother had to work to keep us afloat so she was working all the time waiting tables. So we weren't. We weren't observant catholics in that sense. You know we. We didn't go to church. A lot and I did go to a catholic school and at some point krista somewhere around my sophomore year in high school. It just ceased to make a lot of sense to me I i mean. I certainly wouldn't have called myself. An atheist had fourteen or fifteen. And i'm not that now but there was a sense that the church and its dogma and what it represented It just felt distant to me. And without i guess without the close surround of a of a of a family connection to church I found myself drifting away from all however having said all that you know when you grow up in a working class italian family The catholic church is ever present. Various ones fabric and things isn't it it is in the fabric and interestingly for immigrant folk it's also mixed with various and sundry kinds of rituals and beliefs that the catholic church would find opponent so i remember his as a little boy. My mother took me when when we were still. We moved to los angeles. When i was about seven or eight and before that i grew up in altoona pennsylvania which is a town about an hour east of pittsburgh a classic train town the pennsylvania railroad made and then broke altoona pennsylvania and before we laughed to come west. I remember my mother taking me to my grandmother's who then took us down. The to the good witch in the neighborhood and right there on the wall is a crucifix and pictures of our lord and the blessed virgin and she's also doing good witchcraft. Right she pronounced some some incantations over me. And if i remember right i think she hung some garlic from my neck or put it under my armpits and said some other things and that made me good to go. I was protected from the evil eye therefore when we moved west so it was a really interesting Almost novelist Exposure to that side of working class immigrant italian religious life this bland this mix of of catholicism and and beliefs. That would be more. i guess. Certainly non-catholic This is intimate blend of the two. So so so these notions about damnation and hell and redemption and salvation and these iconic images of you know of jesus on the cross and all that that is part of my consciousness. It's part of my makeup. And even though i ceased to be a practicing catholic has a young as a young man All of that stuff stays with you and he. It's been true for lots of folks right. I mean joyce the writer james joyce The the the ever-present irish catholicism is just the woof and warp of his fiction. And let me ask you. I mean ask you this How would you start to tell the story of how when you became attentive to what you would call the spirit of education. Maybe you wouldn't have called it that then but what you now think of as the essence of education right that's a lovely question And and you're right. I wouldn't talked about it that way. I've gotta say i've got to say that. It began for me in my senior year in high school. I you know. I didn't do so well in school. I i could read which was really fortunate since. That's the sort of meta tool right so i could read and that was immensely helpful but i was horrible in mathematics. I couldn't diagram a sentence if you held a gun to my head. I was just so much didn't learn. Didn't know i was a kind of a dreamy disconnected kid and just didn't do that well in school and so then i went to high school I ended up in the vocational. Those in the days went win schools. Were were pretty rigidly tracked right and you know you ended up in attract that geared toward going into into the world of work usually physical work and then there was a sort of large middle ground and then there was the college preparatory track and so i ended up in the vocational track for a few years and drifted through that and then a remarkable thing happened. Somebody found out that somewhere along the line might entrance tests to high school. Got confused somebody else. Who's last name was rose uh-huh and so suddenly my junior year. I find myself in this college. Prepartory i was. Ill prepared for that. As i was for playing the defensive tackle on the football team i i was so in the deep end of pool and so i- drifted through all that and my senior year had the sheer dumb. Good luck of getting an english teacher who himself had just left columbia university and came out west and wanted to teach for a few years and he ended up in this school and he was maybe six or seven years older than we were. Just a classic bohemian. Now as jack mcfarland a net was check mcfarland and so suddenly after all those years of sort of drifting around and not knowing what was up we hit this guy who is giving us every other week a new book to read starting with homer and working his way down to hemingway and we were writing papers that he assiduously corrected in commented on and for some reason complex. Set of reasons. It caught my fancy. The guy just caught me and that was the beginning of this road that i've ended up on now if it wasn't for him i wouldn't have thought to go to college if it wasn't for him. I don't know if i would have found the pleasure and excitement in the challenge of that kind of intellectual work and so when you ask me the question about when did i begin to think about or understand in some kind of way this spirit of education. It had to be there again. I certainly wouldn't have expressed it like that. But there was something about what he was doing with us. That caught me in a very deep and powerful way. Some something interesting that strikes me in your writing and in the way tell the story also am is that we tend to talk about education in terms of cognitive abilities. Right i mean maybe that's the debt working definition. We have in mind but when people talk about education when it really started to click if they have those stories It's it's always embodied right. I mean it's not just. It's not just what the teacher taught you. Because that's not really what you you remember. The whole his being right and the effect he had on you and the feelings that you had about the learning and you're right about that with other people with students all kinds of students. You've worked with but i just don't i don't think we we paused to consider that you know we don't and unfortunately we sure don't today it seems like you know there's for a generation now it seems like are the primary story de we tell about why you go to school is to fit into the economic order. And i appreciate that. I come from a working class background and if without without schooling without the education that i got after after jack mcfarland i i i mean i would have a very different kind of life. So i'm not pooh-poohing the fact that historically people have sent their kids to school in the united states to advance economically. But that's the only motive you have rats the primary narrative that we tell ourselves About what school is four. Then everything else gets dropped out. I mean the curriculum gets narrowed. The way people teach gets changed and touch on your point All of these other dimensions of education get short shrift the emotional side of it the social side of it. You know the existential identity side. I'm i mean you know what happened there in that classroom with jack mcfarland in me was that i begin to. I think i began to think of myself in a different way right. That's what happens on. Education is working. Isn't it right. I think so. And if i could chris i'd like to say just one more thing and that is focusing on the cognitive that the the the the the intellectual content subject matter disciplinary area of education. That's i think that's completely understandable and it's fine and and i'm constantly conscious of that. It's a big big thing i want. I want students to leave my classroom knowing things and knowing how to do things but you know what's interesting is. I think we strip away from the cognitive the emotional and existential side of of of cognition That's part and parcel of right. So i think. I think that you know when we were reading homer or hemingway or conrad or shakespeare or whomever for jack mcfarland the way he was teaching us. And what we did with it was at one and the same time. Cognitive in cognitive plus writing is cognitive and social cognitive in interactional And i think we make a mistake. Sometimes when we so narrowly defined by for kate these aspects of human experience that are really intertwined. And you know my my background is is quite different from yours. but but i I i grew up in the you know in oklahoma kind of in the middle of the country in west. What's similar is well. No it's not really so it's different. But as i think what i was very if i think about the the culture of my childhood in terms of education i was very much in the thick of of of an anti intellectual frontier america right And you also have written a lot about that strain which takes different forms Indifference different probably different regions of the country. Different socioeconomic groups but That is that is a dynamic in american life and sometimes i think when education isn't working it becomes a default place you've said know that it's okay to just two people to say let's just be average right the the common joe Talk to me about You know about that as something that that is attention in our culture and even in our in the culture of our schools. Yeah i actually like to hear a little bit more about about how you experienced. That growing up in oklahoma did you. Was it something new experienced personally or you just saw around you or well. You know the football team just had a much bigger budget debate team. I mean they're you. Could you could pick out in dollars and cents if you wanted to. And what happened when things would be cut. Would the advanced courses would be cut right so there was a point in my high school years where there were budget cuts and the football budget wasn't being cut and it was already incredibly large right but they were cutting all the classes that had fewer than ten students which meant any advance languages any advanced sciences right so it was kind of thoughtless. It wasn't that people sat down and said well cut. Let let's let's stop creating opportunity for our most intellectually ambitious students. It wasn't like that it was just Well this must not matter And it and it was know but it was also based on a deep sense of what did matter football which was not on the table Right you know that these these tensions that you're talking about. I mean they go far back in the public hits. It's an interesting. It's an interesting dynamic and and You know nobody wrote about it. Better than richard hoffstetter in the book. Anti-intellectualism amir right and yet this country has achieved absolutely extraordinary feats on all fronts through its massive intellectual energy so again it's this odd tension and in gets expressed in different ways right sometimes it's expressed in terms of rural or country or mid america versus The city or east coast elites or east coast institutions right. so there's that sort of country city tension that runs through our literature back into the nineteenth century and And in fact. Sarah palin was masterful at plane those guitar chords right in her in her speeches. So there's that kind of tension and handling glove. There's a there's another tension that i that i understand and it's the tension between book learning and practical experience. Yes and i think that was the attention that you were most acutely aware of when you were going out Yes and it's a very interesting tension to me and again it goes way back way back in our history and in an and what part of what hoffstetter. Chronicles is the the way the country shifts over time from more and more of a weight and credibility given to practical experience. The practical man The wisdom gained through living verses the certification of schools bookwork intellectual endeavour Certification all of that sort of thing and we have moved into the twentieth century. And we've become a culture of certification right a culture of school based Credibility and training all that sort of thing. So what you used to learn in the apprentice shop. You now learn in a classroom. So there's this this whole cultural shift but but the tensions remain i- somewhere i quote my cousin And i love this this this little sane because it captured so much. He says he likes to say all the time you know it. It took a guy with a college degree to screw this up and a guy with a high school degree to fix it so perfectly captures that that tension. That's part of the american spirit to really. It is isn't it and you know christa. I gotta say given how. I grew up and what i what i experienced as i grew up. I understand the legitimacy of the point of view that says the or that gives that gives credibility to hands on experience versus the abstractions That can so often emerge from just learning through books. And of course what i strive for in my own work and with students who have worked for i strive to try and figure out how you blend these these strands because again and i guess you saw this when you look through my stuff. I'm very uncomfortable with binary with simple dichotomies with it's either this or it's they've there's above the neck learning and below the neck learning we talk about and then we stripped the intellectual out of physical work and we stripped physical out of intellectual activity. Yeah right and and in those those Things that we do with our mind when went when we talk about culture society or human activity. I think are just troubling and reductive and end up doing more harm than good and so what i strive for and in fact i think what happens in most kinds of good work. Whether it's styling hair neurosurgery assist you. Get this blend of formal training with hands on experience and the folks who best blend those strands are the people who are usually the best at what they do. Let let's talk about Let's talk about that. I mean let's you one of your books is the mind at work and And i i mean let's start there and we can talk about education and intelligence in many forms at takes but You know there's this beautiful through these beautiful sentences like this may be the beginning of your book. I grew up a witness to the intelligence of the waitress in motion the reflective welder the strategy of the guy on the assembly line. This then is something. I know the thought it takes to do. Physical work wonderful statement and i'm sure many people have made those kinds of observations but again i think it's something we don't sit down and formulate speak out loud or read on the page like that. Thank you Thank you for that. You know i guess. I guess had no choice but to see things that way right i mean as i grew up my father and i Until he just became too sick to to get out of the house we would Take the bus downtown and go Spend time with my mother. While she worked we'd sit at the counter or one in there was his back booth. You know in most restaurants. There'll be some little back booth where the the the cooks in the waitresses or will take their breaks and so we sit there and watch. I'd watch her work. And you know. I mean even to a child i it was just such an impressive display incompetence well invent you later. Interviewed your mother for this book. I did so. Tell me about what you've learned then or what you were maybe able to put words around that The that you had observed but but hadn't really were able to grasp right right right at the mind of work in her waitressing right and that was one of the joys of doing. that book was I- i express it somewhere in the introduction. This way it was like this opportunity to bring together. These different parts of my life All of this training. That i had gotten in the university and graduate school all this training and cognitive psychology and thinking about how people think and all of that it was this wonderful opportunity to take all that and bring it right back home right. Bring it right back to the kinds of work that all my forebears did working in restaurants or or machinists welders in the railroad yards or working in the automobile factories. When when When the automobile industry was booming and it was a chance to bring these these these parts in my life together. And so what. I was able to articulate better through bringing this formal knowledge of cognitive science to bear on my mother's experience. Let's say I was able to give a vocabulary to what i saw her do. I was able to both label it and understand it and this was very exciting. I was able to make connections between her work. And this lofty research taking place in research laboratories right and in away tests that research with just the the lived experience of her work in a restaurant. So for example. It helped me understand The complex memory work that waitresses waiters in in in in restaurants are able to especially in. You know these big chains that have the rushes at breakfast and lunch. Where you see these folks just zooming through places and they and they always seem the goodwin seem to you know they know who who gets the fried shrimp. They know who gets the chefs salad. They know who gets that omelette. So they're remembering that stuff remembering things about. What the regulars like or don't like really good bartenders are that way to. You've had that experience rate. You walk into a place. They know you and you go they go. There's the gin and tonic right. So all the memory work and then all of the play of attention and vigilance the constant kind of scanning of the workspace right. Who needs what what's going on. Somebody dropped a fork somebody else's waving hoops the manager seating some new people over there hoops. You know what. It's taken too long for that. Shrimp play to come out. I better check on that. So there's all that kind of stuff going on. There's you know when you watch when you watch a waitress at rush hour. They seem so economic. Col- they're zooming through the place but they're not missing lick right will what's going on is that they're prioritizing on the fly the different things they have to do As as one waitress. Put it to me when i interviewed her. She said you know if if you don't do that if you don't cluster these tasks together you're gonna run yourself ragged. And so there's a real efficiency that emerges in the middle of the action on the fly. So it's this kind of talk cognitive too. That's very cognitive. And i couldn't talk that kind of talk. When i was a kid watching her do what she did right. yeah I there was something that you think. It was her mother who said i. That was so interesting that that sometimes when things are so crazy. Like you know as you're saying when you're sitting in one of these restaurants when every table is full and there's big waiting line and And i and i have had this experience of watching waitress and thinking how are they holding it together. It was it was it. She didn't want. He said that the she almost described as you didn't use this term it as almost like a transcendent experience. It there was kind of a rush that you that you're just went into this place i can you remember what she it was. Yes yeah you know. It's what it's what these these folks today. Call the flow experience okay. But she didn't have that. Yeah yeah and again. She wouldn't have said this. Like a zen place she wouldn't she wouldn't have said that either but she and other Waitresses and bartenders. I've talked to they talk about that. They talk about the fact that that in that and this is almost counterintuitive that. They're more efficient. The busier it gets that they get into this kind of of performance zone. If you will where just all cylinders are clicking. You know the vigilance the attending the prioritizing the quick physical movement all of that is just working like a fine machine And my mother would talk about the fact that when it was a lot slower She found herself board. And probably less acute you know less on her game well and actually you know. I think i would probably say that of my work to which has more to do with sitting in front of a computer screen or a book right or But it may be. You would say it's it's all intellectual or verbal but being on deadline energizing even then it becomes harder to click the tasks off when there's no. There's no urgent reason to do it. We re rise to those occasions. And what i mean what it made me think of when i you wrote about all kinds of all kinds of work That again we think of as physical labor and This is another experience. We have all the time. But we don't always name is how you know there's giftedness in every occupation right in a in a plumber or a painter or waitress or a hairstylist. Certainly you interviewed. You had a chapter on hairstylist. For and it's and it's that same. I mean you can't other. We don't often talk about intelligence in these spheres of work It is that mix of skill and intelligence and sophisticated knowledge and judgment in instincts. that's been honed by practice. Exactly right and and i guess that's what i was trying to do in that book. Right is to especially in this high tech era where we are so an understandably so we are so captivated by electronic media by the continued breakthroughs in technologies of all kinds An absolutely those are those are worth celebrating and worth marveling at but what unfortunately happens is that is that our marvel at these new technologies plays into this unfortunate trend in the west of looking down on those who work with their hands. Right a tendency. That goes all the way back to plato. Aristotle to consider the person who works with his or her hands labor manual labor of any kind to be of lesser quality to be Soul shriveling to be you know they they the the greeks even talked about making one unfit for civic participation. So this tendency has been around for such a long time and it so undemocratic right And and and so. I wanted to try and turn a lead on its head and say all right. Let's take these frameworks of intelligence and cognition and analyzing tasks that usually we reserve for white collar folks professional folks biographies of scientists and entrepreneurs and whatnot. Let's see what happens when we take these lenses and turn them on folks who comprise the backbone of the economy of what makes the world run right physical manual label sir set labor service work and that and what happened as i did that was just this revelation of what you were talking about the the knowledge base. You have to build to be good at anything from styling hair to plumbing to Welding to brick whatnot the and the deployment of that knowledge in solving problems with it and troubleshooting and and Making decisions on the fly and it was just such a wonderful experience what an excursion was to spend this kind of time with these folks folks. I've grown up with. But spend this time with them and using that lends to kind of highlight and underscore the richness of their work. Which just so often gets dismissed until it gets dismissed until krista until something goes wrong with our plumbing and suddenly the most important person in the world. Yes exactly so then. Let's talk about the educational implications of this the policy implications if you will and you know there's a question that you pose repeatedly writing and i think we'll come back to it again this conversation. You know what kind of education befits of democracy and which is very resonant with what you just said about How you've thought about intelligence in different kinds of work. And i was quite interested to read when you write about vocational education. I mean i do think that the notion of vocational education has had a bit of boone in recent years. I mean there's more attention also as we become globalised. I've been aware that you know. The the united states compares itself to cultures like japan or germany which have very robust Vocational education sectors. But something that you've pointed out And i i. I don't know lived in germany. I'm not sure if this is true in this other cultures. But i think it's true here that Even as we try to take this notion of vocational education more seriously we we strip out a sense of the cognitive and civic aspect that precisely what you're describing you said we talk about these students. He said the way we talk about these students or not going to go to university. Better going to be vocationally. Trained is inflected with a sense of their limitation. If wanna if you wanna look at a hundred year case study a hundred year institutional case study of what can go wrong when a culture holds to these kinds of diminished notions of the intelligence involved in everyday work. That that we've been talking about if you want hundred year case institutional case study of you look at vocational education because when when you go back and look at the origins of of volk ed In the nineteen teens and twenties you begin to see that even at the beginning at the beginnings of it there were these notions afoot. Like for example. Well there are children who are hand minded. That was a phrase that the hand minded and then there are those who are abstract minded. Now these were states. Either one of those sunscreen which option is better right. Yeah well getting back to something. That's dear to me. Is that hopefully all of us to some degree or another are both of those right right but so imagine then you begin this enterprise. That's called vocational education with notions. Like that that separate whole huge chunks of young humanity into one category or the other. And hey no big surprise the kids who clumped into that hand minded group tended to be poor kids immigrant kids kids of color right and those who were moved or categorized as being the abstract minded. Folks she no big surprise they tended to be white and and Here for generations and come from more well to do families john. Dewey you know. Our great american philosopher called called his social predestination so at the at the very origins the very beginnings of voca d- as it manifested itself through most of the twentieth century. You had these kinds of ideas right about students about intelligence about work about mental activity so no wonder we ran into this situation where the vocational track ended up being for many kids a dumping ground. Right you know kind of a place where you put the kids that you're not sure what to do with and they're not exhibiting you know all sorts of terrific and they're not getting great grades and you know all sorts of reasons that students might get get slotted into that can now having said that i. I don't want to deny for a minute that there weren't great vocab teachers all along the way through there. Were people learn things. And so i don't. I don't want to be dismissive of the enterprise right but yeah i was just going to say but when you look at the whole trajectory of it no wonder it ended up creating within the school. This place where the intelligence of the work being done was not for grounded. Where kids at a at a crucial transitional point in their development are categorized as being not that bright And the kind of curriculum they got a particularly outside of the workshops was just in in many cases not that stimulating. And not that inventive. So no wonder. We ended up in the fixed. We did now. You're right in the last decade or two. There's been a lot of money in a lot of attention. Paid to try to revitalize voca ed and to blend back bring to revitalize the natural intellectual content that so that is see that that is part of some of these good programs that have sprung up in the last que do you think they are knowledgeable intellectual That they are and they are. They're trying to break this awful hundred-year-old barrier that separates the quote unquote vocational from the quote unquote academic that. That's another one of these splits. I've been talking about these dichotomies. In binary is right. That's another one of these splits. I think that have gotten us into trouble. Something that i That concerns me is When people talk about meaningful work you know that it's one of those phrases that's really out there in our vocabulary now As people you know. I try to become less materialistic The kinds of conversations. I end up having Or to question some of the materialism that surrounded us or to think about what are we as whole human beings in the spiritual aspect and you'll hear people talk about the importance of for human beings and i just think this is true to feel that we're doing something meaningful and purposeful with our lives and and i think that's a fact And but what concerns me Like people often say to me. I can tell you if it will say my you know you must have the best job in the world right and so what they think is that i that i spend my time having these wonderful conversations and and i mean i you know i am incredibly grateful for my job but what i say them. Yes but it's it's a job. I mean there's a huge amount of work and a huge amount. That's not romantic. That goes into this by the same token a worry when we then romanticize certain kinds of work as meaningful that are more you know that are overtly meaningful right me. There are kind of work that are overtly meaningful and there their companies that are doing producing products that are overtly more meaningful than other companies right. But i feel like we lose sense of all the different ways in which work is meaningful and to me you know working to put food on the table for your family to eat also makes that work meaningful in some sense And i just. I don't know. I'm kind of throwing that out because this is something that concerns me that that this is another way we might have of making people either feel good or bad about the work they do and their identity. I'm really. I'm so glad you're bringing this up because what you're putting your finger on. Is that the use of this notion of meaningful work. Which is a a lovely notion as you say i mean. What's the bottom line thing that that drives. Our lives is to is to have some kind of meaningful life to not just be a blip and that's it you know so so so so that's all well and good but what i like about what you're doing is you're putting your finger. On the fact that the way people talk about meaningful work can unin inadvertently have a very elitist tinged this and again i think it's his intellectual versus physical. It can have that too like you are on the dime So let's then bus this notion of meaningfulness open right. Let's think about this. It can have great meaning to somebody like my my uncle joe. Who worked like a dog at general motors Starting on the nastiest dirtiest job on the assembly line and then making his way up. That work ended up having a lot of mean for him in various ways but it was immensely meaning meaningful for him. This guy with a with a ninth grade education. He was immensely meaningful for him to be able to support his family to send all three of his kids to college. Right at that gave huge meaning to his life So so as you say being able to regardless of the kind of work to be to be able to support a family or put food on the table that's meaningful for for for for my mother doing this kind of work which was very hard work and it took its toll on her physically and she had suffered the kinds of insults that all sorts of working people have to suffer but it was a way for her and she talked about this a lot to be out in the world she she. She saw that job as a kind of social sphere social field. She talked all the time about being among the public. What that meant to her so for her then the midst of this difficult work. In difficult circumstances there was great meaning in the kind of social dimension of it right conversely you and i both know people who are doing work that the culture at large from a distance when say his really meaningful earlier. Yeah exactly yeah There there there there is unhappy as can be. You know the miserable lawyer. The unhappy neurosurgeon right. There's there's those two so meaningfulness. I'm glad you're doing this. Meaningfulness is a more fluid and rich and variable concept. I think than we tend to to to to imagine right. It's nights it can't. It's not a job title. It's an either positively or negatively. Yeah well put okay. Well i'm i'm in wanting to talk about that with someone and thank you for your yeah and and So i i'm also very tricked by you. You've written a lot and worked a lot on what is often called. Remedial learning You you know and have worked in situations where there's a criticism that you recite that. In fact it turns out is as old as american democracy that This generation that p that students are turning up for college completely illiterate and unprepared right. So you point out that everyone has said that Across the ages but certainly that's a theme that's a refrain that's out there at our culture now and and there are a lot of people turning up in college and and a lot of effort being put into addressing skills and abilities that it seems they should have had from high school. And you've you've worked In that sphere You know on that frontier and I i'd like for you to you know one of the things. Maybe this is a place to start about. What you talk about is not is what opportunity. You're interested in what opportunity feels like again. You've you've learned that where this works again. That just that word remedial is such a piece of baggage right works and his humanizing a bullying is is where what what not just happens as people catch up with skills but that they expect they experience opportunity that it's a whole body experience. Let me tell you story This was about twenty years ago. And i was doing Was involved in a research project at an urban community college and As as payback. Kind of to to the folks who were leading me Study the remedial programs there. I did a lot of tutoring. So i was tutoring this man He was in his late thirties. he had suffered brain damage as a child from a fall and it because of that he was kept out of school for a long time and probably it wasn't treated properly so he he he both was. He both missed a lot of school but probably had some kind of damage as well that that was permanent So here he is. He's in his late thirties. He's back in this basic skills program in a community college Really interesting man. He had educated himself he could barely read and write but he had educated himself by he was a janitor and so when he was doing his work at night. In these office buildings he would listen to public affairs programs on the radio. Listen to fm. radio probably npr and stations. Like that right. he would watch public television at home so he got his information orly from these these sources and he decided he wanted to come back to school. Now obviously one of the reasons that he did that is because he wanted to turn in his mop and pail for a job that would provide provide for better for sure so the economic motive was there. There were all these other reasons to. He wanted to be able to better help his daughter who was in school. He wanted to add to these other. Sources that that you know oral sources that he had he wanted to add to the sources he had of gaining information about things because he was just a voraciously curious man. So we're this is late one one afternoon in the library and we're sitting there together and i'm helping him read a flyer that he found at school. It was on the dangers of cocaine and he wanted to be able to give it to his daughter and talk to her a benefit. So i was helping them read this now now by the way notice why he wanted to read it right because he wanted to get a great niclas but because he wanted to have the skill to better guide his daughter. So we're can away and it's late in the afternoon and it is dark is getting dark and it's cold outside and the wind is blowing. It's rainy and you know that kind of bleak urban landscape right with newspapers glowing in the rain and flying up against the windows and all that and it's late. And i'm getting hungry and i'm thinking about the the long walk back to my car which was parked far away in the dreary weather. So we're doing an and boom suddenly. It's getting time for the library too. Close okay so we get up. And we're getting ready to walk outside. And he turns to me and he's got a big smile on his face and he goes man he says you know. I know this can happen by us. Moses but this is where it's at and i just. I was so taken by that moment. That i can't get it out of my head so here. Here's this man sitting in this library. And and he's experienced seen the potential of new self. Really right he's he's experiencing ways that he's going to enhance how he learns about the world. He's getting the sensitive. That's going to be able to help his daughter This is powerful stuff. And that's what opportunity feels like right. At least that's one manifestation of it here. I was this. This was also humbly. Spirits frankly krista. This reminded me of something that i think anybody in the helping professions or the healing professions constantly needs to be reminded of that is. Were always gonna miss things and there's going to be times when we're just not as connected as we should be and so there i was thinking about. Oh my god it's also let's say let's look at it more positively. It's also don't always know when you're doing your best work. Well that that puts a generous cast on it. Yeah but it it's it was it was a reminder of again how important this work is how it can be meaningful folk sometimes when you don't realize and back to your point it's that kind of thing that gives you this palpable sense of what it feels like to some body to have a notion that oh my gosh. There's something more i can do and that you know what opportunity feels like. That story just told that that also really brings out. What i what i got from here. Work which is you. Know literacy is much bigger concept than being able to read right. I mean you wrote. There's very couple of poetic sentences you've written. I think you were writing about those students that time in your life and you said you know. Poverty has generated its own damage. Script scars manifest in the spelling of word in another place. You wrote you know what's at stake. You wrote literacy here is intimately connected with respect with a sense that they are not beating the mastery of print revealing the deepest impulse to survive. Yeah it You know it's it's a theme that's been running through our conversation right that that work or education or any of the other kinds of powerful things that people engage in that they have multiple dimensions to them and and certainly one dimension functional economic and pragmatic. But there's so much else to to write. It has to do with the sense of who you are. It has to do with sense of hope has to do with the sense of being able to do something you couldn't do before it can be It has a side to that can be so much more than just the economic so so let me ask you a question. Now that i thought i might ask you earlier in the conversation. We know when you you talked about jack. Mcfarland this english teacher who kind of set your mind on fire. There again is an image. That's both tactile and visual and intellect cognitive And then you and then you write about going to college. I mean you and there was you know it was only very recently that you'd even thought that college would be something that was in your life and you had other teachers and he wrote these are mentors who collected collectively gave me the best sort of liberal education the kind longed-for in the stream of blue ribbon reports on the humanities. That now cross my desk so tell me about that. What is your imagination about the best kind of liberal education that you both received and that you know that you think about and work about work on now. I should say that that college that i that i went to was the only place i could get into and i got in there because jack mcfarland. My high school english teacher had went. There had gone there himself Seven or eight years before newsom folks there so he went over and talked to them and he got me in as a probationary student. Right so There i was i and boy once more. I found myself at a loss. My my freshman year didn't go so well and and you know at one point. I was getting close to not fulfilling that the terms of the probation. Let me just say by the way an aside here you know. We're we're we're we're telling a lot of stories and i'm telling you a lot of personal stories but i hope what comes through. Is that these things that i experienced or other folks talk about are commonplace. I mean something that. I see happening throughout my career and working in different kinds of prepared. Tori programs is that is the the phenomenon of the young person who Does well in high school or does well in part of highschool anyway Is the kind of pride in their neighborhood. And then they come to college and and run right up against a brick wall because it's a whole other ballgame right and it's larger in it's anonymous and there may not be support you know so system of support there so that same thing happened to me well again. Sheer dumb luck I managed to get some some professors mostly in english starting in my sophomore year and this was a small liberal arts college so these folks were. They are pretty much to teach. I mean they weren't they didn't have a publishing career. They really devoted themselves to their teaching and their students. And what i meant when i said they gave me the best kind of liberal. Education was not only that they taught me a lot of things that they taught me a lot of things about history or literature how to write how to write better. They certainly did that but they were. Also people whose office door was open and who would spend a lot of time talking about the material. You're learning and would work over a pc writing. I can't tell you. How many times krista i'd be sitting at the elbow of why these folks and they were going over a paper yet once again and saying you know try saying this way try. Try it like this so all of that kind of personal attention that it gets back to something we were talking about earlier the embodiment of knowledge in a relationship and it seems to me that that finally is what good teaching is all about. And and that's all the way from good teaching kindergarten through graduate school through medical school through apprenticeship through the the carpenters workshop. You name it that somehow or another skill and knowledge is integrated into some kind of a human connection. And that's what i meant when i said it was the best kind of liberal education in it. It was a humane humanities education. It was built on relationship and certainly was rich cognitively but it was at interplay of the cognitive and the social the personal and the cognitive. And something you you also Have concluded with your work with remedial education and that you describe in your own experience at loyola was how working with your with you know with with that wall. You've come up against it. Didn't mean it that it wasn't what worked wasn't dumbing it down for you and then making it really simple. It was it was making you as it was. It was also about high expectations. But then supporting that right. I mean so expecting you to write papers but then helping you get it right but i wonder also if that relationship piece isn't what makes that possible absolutely if you don't know how to do something well and particularly if you failed at it before your impulses to bolt right is to run the other way who likes to confront something that reminds you of your failure. Nobody so having some kind of connection some kind of a personal linkage can make all the difference in the world because at person reads. You knows you you know knows when you're losing spirit knows when it's time to move in and add a little more support but also knows when it's time to back off so that relationship is is potent on a number of levels right But you bring up another point and i. I really wanted touch on it. We've been talking about these assumptions in the culture about intelligence and ability. And one way we've been talking about it is that there are these unfortunate strands in the culture. Very egalitarian strands that connect physical work with low intelligence. Well there's another strand that is troubling as well and that has really worked against us and that is if somebody can't do something we easily leap to the the intellect default mode that is we think. Oh you know. They don't have it more they're not sharp And that unfortunate strand has woven its way through remedial or developmental or basic skills education The assumption is if someone can't do something then it indicates some some deficiency some deficit and our tendency has been then to take whatever task it is whether it's mathematics or writing or reading and break it down into the tiniest little morsels an answer to skill and drill folks through right. And you've you i. Everybody has seen jillian times. You know the grammar workbook. Or the the the entire remedial course. That is just focused on getting the verb tenses right filling in the blank and that sort of thing. Now let me say here. That's important stuff. I want people to be able to get their verb tenses right but it seems to me that this approach we've taken which is to assume that if somebody doesn't get something you gotta break it down into the tiniest morsels and just focus on. That has just not been that productive. So what do you do what you do. Is you create conditions. Where right from the jump. You're giving people intellectually engaging material and even if it so if if their skills are so poor that they can't read you read it for them. You get the conversation going around this question in political science or sociology or a piece of literature you generate that you use spark the activity agreed intellectually aspirational environment. Even if you're still working with little pieces y-. I don't think that you can win. The focus is just on the race. Okay right now but if you get this if you get this excitement going if you get this conversation going and everybody can contribute. Because everybody's can everybody can pull things from their own experience. Every you know everybody's had some had had rich lives of experience You draw from that you bring in concepts maybe you have to scale things down a bit. Maybe you even up piece of reading. And you edit it down. Maybe you rewrite it even so that it's a bit simpler to use but the point is is that you throw people into the activity and then along the way you address the bits and piece. Okay all right right you. You don't let those go by the wayside but you integrate them into a meaningful into a meaningful classroom into a meaningful engagement. That makes them feel like you know what. I'm in the middle of something here that i haven't been in before. Eat something that reading your work reading your stories about yourself. And all the many people you've worked with What reminded me of what it kind of immersed me an were My own memories of those moments when my mind came to life right And as you know. As i told you i also didn't have much kind of what you would call formal education anything very anything rigorous at all until i went to college and I also had that situation of feeling. Like i couldn't do it for a while. But then but then had this experience that more privileged kids didn't have kids who had had good educations. All along you know is that there is this advantage when you haven't had that a new have these moments where it's like the whole world opens up and and something clicks and And And i hear talk about these moments and I you know like dis- physically. I think you use the word yearning and your writing it is. It's an ache as much as it's a thrill You you actually. I meant to bring this with me. And i didn't but you you have a coach paragraph from a book. I did write the title the metaphysical foundations of modern science which was assigned to you in those early days. Right would you didn't know what you could achieve. And it was this paragraph that you had to go over and over and over again and underlined but it was. It was i. It did take me back to these moments. Where for something where it major brain hurt and it felt so good right because it somehow it opened possibility and i dunno i. What did this also makes me think is how precious these educational experience is hard because when we get into you know what my father call real life capital our capital l. o. u. We you know those those are special moments And maybe you can have them when you're eighty not just eighteen but I mean you get to be present to that a lot. That's that's a great thing about your work. I think i think it's really a those are powerful moments and they can be defining moments. You know When you talk to people about their memories of school memories of teachers you know. Oftentimes you'll get some some. Certainly you know you'll get some bad memories and awful teachers and that sort of thing that's that's to be expected but when people talk about the either falling in love with a discipline Falling in love with the subject matter or a teacher who made a difference. It's interesting how often they'll remember a moment You know they'll remember something that they read or something that somebody said or something. Someone did for them tho. Those moments are powerful And i think they live on in memory for a reason because they they helped shape who we are and where we go. There's those moments as you put it a possibility And you're right. I mean. I've been really fortunate to be close by as as those moments erupt and i guess the point i want to make about those moments and quote unquote remedial or basic skills education or students. Who haven't done so well in school is Again this is another unfortunate binary that we fall into. I think a lot of folks would just assume automatically that those moments happen all the time with kids who have good educations and go to good schools and have good teachers they also happen all the time and and are always at the ready with folks who are even coming in with the most basic of skills and the the longest way to go. It happens if you can create the right kinds of environments for them. You know it it. It happened with the the fella was describing who walked out of the library and just was beaming with this sense of possibility. And and what this What this community college experience was going to mean for him something else. I wanted to come back to something. you said. A minute ago about We make an assumption that if someone is in good at something that there's an intellectual defect you make a very interesting point about How our education across recent decades has been shaped by psychometric tests and measurements. And you make really interesting proposition and this. This applies to very much to the college bound. that a high score on a lot of these tests we use like let's take the. Sat does tell us something we can work with but a low score tells us less is less useful. So you said it's a measure that only works at the upper end of the scale. That's really interesting. yeah. I really think that's true. It's like we have a ruler that is is very precise Up to about half a point up to about I didn't say that correctly. We have a ruler. That's very precise For half of its width or length rate I'm interested. I'm interested in those folks that don't do well on those kinds of tests that don't do well on the standard iq test or don't do so well on the the sat's let's say. Because again what. I wanna know is i wanna know what they know. That's not being reflected in that test or another another angle on it is i. I wanna find out more about what didn't happen. In their educations that made them do poorly on that test so or in their life experience. So let's let's take the iq test right. That's has candidate kind of standard instrument in our culture for the last century If someone does well on an iq test that certainly tells us something right. They've got some smarts no doubt about it but think of the folks who might not do so well on those kinds of tests because they didn't have a lot of formal schooling and everybody admits that there's a direct correlation between amount of formal schooling. And how well you do on tests like that. There's an intimate connection between those two things So they didn't have a lot of formal schooling. They haven't had a lot of experience taking those kinds of tasks they also don't invest as much in them right. I mean you know those of us who have been through a ton of schooling. We've been socialized to know that when one of those things appears in front of us. We better try our damndest. So there's all kinds of reasons by which we can explain through which we can explain somebody not doing so well on a test like that reasons other than some some intellectual deficiency so then i say an interested in. We'll see what happens when we go out into the world with this person and we watched them work. Let's say or we watched them raise kids or we watch them figure out how to make their way. Through the day or some complicated social relationships what emerges that speaks of intelligence what goes on right under our noses that speaks of some kinds of smarts so the plumber who reaches up inside of the wall of an old building some where he cannot see and he can only feel and through feeling around the structures in their feeling the rust feeling feeling moisture. If there's any feeling the way the thing is structured he's visualizing what's back there that he can't see and then bringing knowledge base to bear on trying to figure out what the problem may think of. What a complex Set of mental operations are involved in that or the the hairstylist who is presented with someone who comes in and they have a you know a botched die job. Let's say or And the stylist and and and this woman said this to me. When i was t- i was watching her work. She said the first thing i asked myself. What was that previous stylus trying to accomplish so interesting question to ask right and what an interesting problem solving road that takes her down now. Those kinds of things are not going to be picked up on an iq instrument. They're not structured to get to that stuff. But those are certainly manifestations of intelligence so this is so much fun. And i feel like i could talk for hours week. Sorry yeah we have to quit at two o'clock. So i think for the last few minutes i should ask some of the questions that people might have expected me to ask all along I mean okay so so you know so much. You've been doing this. You've been studying it. You've been writing about it. I suspect you're having conversations with other scholars and teachers and systems that i don't know about. We hear a lot about a say. No child left behind our latest latest flash point obviously and understandably We hear a lot about and you've written a lot about how we've reduced this reductionist approach that we got. We were just getting out of bit testing standardized testing. And i think i don't know it seems so obvious me that standardized testing doesn't capture either intelligence or our education. But i i like to ask you you know are are things changing We're learning a lot about the brain now. I'm you know we've tried charter schools What do you know about that is happening. That maybe below the radar I'm not necessarily asking you to painted. Put a happy picture on this but you know what would you. What do you see when you look at the big picture of what's happening with education. Well you know. Unfortunately i see i see that. We are locked into a way of thinking about school reform. That suffers from so much of what else we've been talking about in this conversation. And that's a kind of a reductive approach to schooling to learning to teaching. But doesn't everybody know that it's reductive at this point. I mean this is what i can't figure out it's yeah we're it's a runaway train. I think We're we're so locked into a way of solving the educational problem quote unquote No child left behind which everybody wants to distance themselves from now but it did it did it did pick up on something in the culture And that is a belief that there are these kinds of technocratic ways that we can measure with precision what people are learning how well teachers are teaching and that we can make consequential judgments based on these measures and the technocratic ways of course these high stakes standardized tests now unfortunately a lot of that same kind of thinking i mean the particulars are being tweet but that same orientation is carrying over into this new administration again. I think they're they're. I'm not saying these are bad people right but i'm just saying that it is. It is a way of thinking that makes sense in a technocratic managerial society. Which is what we live in. But i think the unfortunate thing is is that if you really know about schools and you really know about teaching you get in close to classrooms. You watch this very intimate and difficult and complex thing called teaching and learning You see what a far remove standardized test score is from the cognitive and emotional and social. Give and take the classroom I'm i'm not. i'm troubled by the over. Reliance on this way of thinking about schooling and you ask. Why do we keep making the mistake. And i think it's because a significant number of folks who are involved in policy formation are at a far removed from the schools Most have not taught Or if they've taught they taught for a year or two as a longtime bag and i i- contrast that with a journey that took around the country A while back spending four years. When i could get the time visiting good public. School classrooms many of them in poor or modest income districts many of them rural some urban spread all across the united states. And the kinds of things that i saw there and the kinds of qualities of good teaching and and that kind of learning that goes on i think can impart some little piece of it. Some aspect of it will certainly be picked up by the kinds of testing regime that we put in place but certainly not all and certainly not the kinds of things we've been talking about. My hope would be that we get to the point where we began to look for much richer ways of thinking about teaching and learning the the and and richer ways to try and assess. What's going on in schools and classrooms. Because here's the good thing about. No child left behind and the good thing about the current impulse is that it is admitting and putting a bright light on the fact that there are a lot of kids who don't do well in our schools and those kids tend to be tend to be poor kids immigrant kids children of color and that we absolutely have to do something. This is a moral ethical question of equity. We have to do something to do better with those children. But i don't think that the kind of curriculum in schooling that emerges from the current program of of accountability. I don't think that's the way to get it to us. I don't think that's the way to get us where we want to be. Do you use the term a lot. When you talk about breakthroughs in your own life where you said. It was just sheer dom lock. You said that a few times i mean. Is there more shear dumb luck to go around than than we might imagine. D do you. Do you find enough individual programs schools teachers. That are doing something that corresponds to this. Very rich imagination you have about intelligence and education that gives you hope. Well there are. But i think the important thing to say in terms of policy you know which is what we're talking about now is. How can policymakers create the conditions for more of that kind of rich teaching and learning to occur. And i don't think that a model that says something that goes something like this. We're gonna we're gonna give these assessments. They're going to be of this particular kind. This fairly narrow kind and this will be the way that we will. And this is a phrase. You hear all the time. This is the way we're gonna. We're gonna hold teachers feet to the fire and administrators feet to the fire. The problem with that way of thinking is it's it's it's first of all punitive approach to this problem and the second thing is it doesn't include anything in it that are going to help. Teachers really develop if they don't already have these skills it's not gonna help them develop a rich sense of pedagogy. A rich sense of intelligence rich sense of student ability It's simply going to be a set of measures given to them at a certain point with the admonition that you have to do better but there's no place in all that were then you're taking teachers together informing intellectual communities and saying. Let's talk about how we create these really rich classrooms. And we're going to bring some people in who have done a lot of this and we're going to think really hard about it and we're going to read stuff together and we're gonna try it out and then you're gonna come back either. Virtually or in person and we're gonna work through this further you. I mean like a whole other way a kind of a a human development way that we could think about addressing this problem that we're not educating all our kids as well as we should instead. We've drifted to this kind of technocratic narrow standardized test based way of approaching the problem rather than a developmental intellectual approach that really values teaching learning. Ask rhetorical question in your writing Sometimes when was the last time you heard a really moving speech about education. And i i think about this other context as well. I mean the word education itself has become laden with the word. Education doesn't inspire. I mean it should You but you almost interchangeably use phrases like human possibility. You know i mean reading. You made me wonder if we just also need to to think about the language we use. And i mean let me let me ask you this positive question. Maybe because we're running out of time you can respond to that or also another question you ask. Is what kind of education befits democracy. so what. what is the answer you would give at this point. Well you know. The language we use is hugely important. It kits to what we're talking about here that if the language use a strictly instrumental functionalist language that says we we go to school. We send our kids to school because we want to compete the twenty first century economy. And therefore we're going to get these subjects hard and we're not gonna hit these other subjects like music or art or literature or even social studies If that's the way if that's the language we're using and that's the way we think about the purpose of schooling. It's going to dramatically narrow what happens in schools. It's gonna change the way we think of what it means to be educated and that has implications for. I think who we are as as a society right. So what kind of language should we use In a democratic society certainly a language that includes the economic motive absolutely of course but that braids that motive in with all the other reasons that actually historically in our country we've talked about as well the civic motive we send kids to school to become civic beans. We send kids to school to learn how to solve problems with each other. Children go to school because their parents want to help them develop into better people. They want to find to find passions they want them to learn how to learn these that and what about in democracy Learning how to speak up when you think something is not right or learning to take a risk in this kind of test based world that students grow up in your penalized if you take risk but yet just about any intellectual breakthrough of any kind. That that you'll study has seen that. It's been a path of breakthrough and failure of risk of going beyond. What so we're in all of this. Our children encouraged to take intellectual risks. What kinds of classrooms at created that allow that. Do you see what i mean. When i say the language we either is essential it either closes down or opens up the richness which with which we think about schooling in a democracy. I i think we have one minute. I this is great. Is there anything you want to say that one minute anything. I haven't asked you. You wanted to add on gosh you don't have to. We've had beautiful towards I just want it. Can i talk for a second about this. this experience of going around the country so in traveling around the country and looking at all of these fine classrooms many of them in poor neighborhoods Spread throughout rural urban north west. East south he you know i came away with this. It was a remarkable trip. Because i not only learned a whole lot about education and a whole lot about what's going on in schools but i learned a whole lot about the country. I heard a whole lot about this place called america. It was as though. I discovered america through its classrooms and it was such a powerful journey and after a journey like that it is so hard then to to return to a place and in our in our educational history where we talk so narrowly about schooling and the purpose of schooling. Because in fact what you see when you travel through all these communities and you talk to parents and you watch these teachers who worked so hard and you spend time with these kids. Is you get a sense of this. Immense rich thing. That classroom can be a place of both of both learning subject matter but of learning how to exist in a public space. And how to get this. How to have this feeling the sense that you matter and that your mind matters and that that this is a place that safe and respectful and where i can take chances And i can learn something. And that can have an effect on who i'm going to be. That was wonderful mike. I've just really enjoyed this so much. I loved getting into your writing. And i'm glad you're out there doing what you do. So krista this has been great for me. I you know as you know i listen to your show for a long time and it's just You're just terrific interviewer shun. I've done about one hundred and fifty the last twenty years and there's three or four people who do it like this and bill moyers was one studs terkel was one And and and and and you are thank you. it's nice list. well it just. It's just so nice to be able to talk about this stuff without feeling like on a. I'm ana amman o'clock in responding to questions that the publicist gave to host you know Thank you well we will. We may have some questions following up. And we'll let what's going on with this. And i hope maybe we'll meet in person one of these days. I would love that. If you ever ever ever get out this way Please let me know all right. Take care you too by.

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