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James harden will make his return to houston tonight for the first time since he forced his way out via trade earlier this season. And yeah that's a little messy but hard and hopes to get some love on his return saying quote the love the appreciation that i've given to that city in that i still give to that city. I'm hoping that the favor can be returned. Interesting to think about shannon fewer rockets fan. How would you react to hardens. Return here i'll be upset because he quit team. There's no other way around that. James harden the great player for that organization and when he's introduced our cheer. Because i realize and i think you'll have a greater appreciation skill as time passes but in the meantime i'm still a little absurd. I've said so when they introduce him at the start of the game. I'm going to cheer you. But every time he tells them all other than a buddha breaks off because he doesn't play the rockets eighty more he played for the for the next. So i'm gonna boo. But i'm gonna i'm gonna cheer i'm going to cheer for the time. The great moments that we had that he had while he was here and mentioned that a baked potato. Tim for tita says he's gonna retire. The number shoe. Skip james harden. Probably what the second best. I think one of the best player rockets history and then you can make tall slow between he and moses malone for second best but i think a wanted to hand down for me the best player one two jabs defensive player of the year minute the time birth evolved nba. I believe he argued the greatest defensive center. So we'll say bill russell so james harden what he's done in that organization but what he's done for the city of houston skip. He's deserving of having his number retired he should be impeached chaired in the beginning introducing james arizona state Hey you get the ball in boo so shannon. I'm with you about the jersey. It deserves to hang in the rafters. I'd also throw clyde drexler in there as one of the greats. You could argue somewhere up in that pantheon year but he you look great player yet. They love him because he played at the university of houston obviously north carolina state. But the point is we're we're you lost me a little bit was you're going to cheer him when he's introduced but then you're going to boo him when he touches the ball. Maybe i can't relate or identify with the rockets fan. But i don't think i could. I could flip that switch. I don't think so. I think if i'm going to boo boo. When he's introduced in they have every reason to boo him because he quit his way right outta town in one of the ugliest episodes in the history of the national basketball association. And he went from fat james flipping his switch in brooklyn in all sudden. Fat james was playing an mvp level. And you can make a very strong case. He deserves the mvp as we speak that. He is edged ahead with his phenomenal. Triple double the other night in which he had zero turnovers well early this year. Will obviously there was method to the madness. He just wanted out so we gave him one. Good winning salvo as we talked about at portland and then after that each is not gonna play because he wants out. Any successfully forced his way not only out but into basketball heaven with k. d. and kyrie in brooklyn and you see the results nail and unfortunately rocket fans are avenue to live with the results so that would hurt my heart if and have. Here's what's that. What about eight years. What about the eight and a half years okay. But you just can't look the bad times and sometimes you know okay. I'm going to give you this. These are the reasons that you should forgive. and forget. if you're rockets fan he won you an mvp three times this league in scoring. And they were three in a row and he also led the league in assists and twenty seventeen and he established himself as. I think we both agree. Simply the greatest perimeter scorers in the history of the league and you got to benefit from that as far as being entertained by that on a nightly basis. You've got to root for that but come postseason. You had more pain than joy. Because james overall record in houston in the playoffs was forty two and forty three as you know. They twice got to the conference finals against golden state. The first time they lost golden state and five in the closeout game. James really was disappearing. Act in then you remember what happened in two thousand eighteen. They lost seven but they were up three games to to win chris. Paul again pulled hamstring and it was up to james to try to carry the load and they lost game six by twenty seven at golden state. And then they lost at home in game seven by nine and once again. James was virtual no-show and we've seen him be no shows against my spurs big playoff calls out games so he he never delivered at the biggest moments in playoff games. So at least that disqualifies them enough. That if i'm rockets fan and i wash him quit his way out of town. I don't think i applaud him when he's introduced tonight. If anything i would just sit on my hands if anything. I just be quiet. Maybe maybe silence would be the most deafening. You know if if if they gave him the silent treatment tonight during introductions. Maybe that would hurt the most but to your point. I don't doubt that they're going to boom and boom louder and louder the more he touches the ball and he will have the ball in his hands a lot. But i look at it like this. You can appreciate this. You're in a relationship. Five six ten fifteen years and it doesn't end the way we all hoped we would let live happily ever after so. Are we going to discount because the ended badly. We're going to discount all the good times that we had. I was like damn. Did we go to super bowl. And then we go to the kentucky derby. Didn't we have good time. We went out to eat and had family gathering the got together. So you just got a discount. Every good that we had in only focus on the bat to rockets fans. Are you only to focus on the left. Nineteen games in which he quit. Give up by using his behavior. I want people to pay so us okay to quit. No it's not okay to quit. He handled it poorly. James harden will tell you. He handled it poorly but unfair. He gave you a really good years in the last month to three months. Were bad so the bad i guess. Now they're the prima of bad the eight month of good. That's only thing like you see that a lot of relationships if that people discount all the good that's been built up and just focus on the negative or the bay. I'm not like that but shannon to further your relationship analogy. What if in the bitter end she cheats on you and then she runs off with the other guy. I don't think you're going to be able to forgive and forget that one. I don't think you're going to cherish the good times. I think you have those skill. You can never forgive me as you can be freedom so i can't let her aghanistan the end in your heart. It's i. I can't be bonded because he is giving. It'd be a bad situation but you know you have to move on a. She's better she what she wanted. That's not how we wanted it to end. I'm sure the rockets play and didn't want it to end like this because you never don't get value back for james harden skip not getting another james harden the not know those guys. Those guys. don't come along like jane hard. Come along every fifteen twenty thirty. You'd and the rockets are not gonna get with like that. Yeah look at them now. They're tale spinning man. They're they're having are eleven straight. Yeah okay so we're talking about forty five hundred fans who will be an attendance and shannon since you brought me into this conversation with the relationship analogy. I'm not cheering for him. I don't wanna see him happy that he's moved on to a new relationship. 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There is good news and bad news coming out of the latest. Dak contract talks this according to nfl networks. Gene slater the good news. Negotiations between the team and prescott have been more productive as of late. The bad news for cowboys fans wants to repay right behind. Patrick mahomes who yes remember. Signed a ten year five hundred million dollars extension last summer. All dallas feels their offers quote respectable there clearly. They're not in that ballpark. Shannon is back. More close to home was money here. We have to be careful saying what a guy's worth because when you have you know the casual fan going to say no because you have teachers that people that are more important that a football player. Not making nearly that about money and so. That's the public sentiment skill. But you know you. And i both know. Gaza rarely paid what they're worth. You don't base it on. What a guy's worth you paid the market and the market kief creep creeping up because this is what we know who's coming down the pipeline dishes give josh allen Lamar jackson what do you think they're gonna get. Do you think they're gonna get more or less than forty million for years. When they signed the deals. I feel very comfortable saying both of those guys will be north of forty million dollars. Dakyns saying the shawn watson signed a deal with basically three to four years live at thirty nine million. He's willing to give you guys a discount for some long term security skill. This is a conversation. That jerry and dan should've had two years ago. And you could have for the number closer to what you wanted to pay ever polls to now so now. You can't say bad man i. I'd nausea that house. Why do i should about this. Because the value has increase in. That's what it is. You know how this being world value of players increase from year to year. And so it's better to give code check credit skill. He normally goes to guy early. Give them big money. And you're like wow. That's big money and we moved in two years grow from being the pain to in two years. He was like fifth assist. But that's what you do overpay early and then you get the bargain. You let play contract out. He's gonna give you a discount skill. Because he felt he he will fail. You forced him into a situation that you were betting against it. Jerry jones better gives dad prescott for three straight years and now after betting against them in that knows he bet against him a home. How about get a discount. That's not. I'm not going to be able to do that. Okay i get all the points. You're making but i have to gauge and judge this rank this right here right now. Back to the question is dak prescott worth a deal that could average say forty four million dollars a year over the next four years close to patrick mahomes money. The resounding answer is no no. No no no i love dak prescott. I have defended more than anybody. But i love my team even more my dallas cowboys and that could wreck their cap for the next four five six years that if he can't live up to that and i'm not sure can. I've told you from the start. I i love the young man. But i never said he was the best quarterback or the second best or even the third best quarterback. I've ranked him as high as tenth. And yet if we look hard at what's happened. I'm all for players getting all they can get but what was realistic was on the table. Going back. two seasons ago. I'm going to remind you jerry. Jones said after game number one two years ago after they beat the giants at home in their opener at gerry world. It is imminent. That was the quote imminent that we are going to sign a long term deal with dak prescott. What does imminent mean. It means within hours. Maybe a couple of days and shannon. You know and i know what happened. They let it bleed into the next week. And dag had another big game that one at washington then they bled into the next week and he had another big home game against the then. Woeful miami dolphins shannon sharpe. The hall of famer said no no no at that point all three. Were to quote you garbage teams so it's basically garbage staffs that you're putting up against garbage teams yet. That's win dak. And new agent jerked rug out from under jerry jones and said guess what we've decided april fools in september jerry. We want a whole lot more money. And that's when they started talking about north of forty million and at that point jerry. It offered somewhere around thirty five thirty six ish which even shannon sharpe said yeah. That's a realistic. That's a fair offer from jerry jones but once you jerk rug out from underneath that guy in negotiation you got problems because his pride is bigger than than his brain because his brain should say well. Let's give a little bit here. Let's get this done at. At whatever cost is now so we don't have to pay later but jerry's pride is so huge when it comes to what what he does best negotiating that that if you if you go back on a handshake deal. Which is what they did. You are doomed with him in a negotiation because his pride is going to get dug in deeper and deeper and deeper. And that's where we are now and it feels like the longer dak plays the higher that salary goes and so no. He's not worth it because shannon. I'm going to remind you one more time that year. After those first three games they played thirteen more. You gave back seven fs as in flunk as in failed in seven games after remind her game joan to but again you said he earned them and the games were longtime cowboy. Fans will know painfully. Exactly what. I'm talking about at new orleans at jets at chicago on thursday night. Remember at bill belichick and tom brady in the cold. Remember at philly for all the marbles at the end of the year. Remember buffalo on thanksgiving day on that big stage did not play well in those games shannon and he was graded by pro football. Focus over the last thirteen games. He was graded the fourteenth best quarterback and pro football so. He's middle of the road. Well i can't defend that because you know what was happening to me. Everybody said battle himself. Well he did. He was betting on himself than those last thirteen games two years ago. And guess what happened. He crumbled under the pressure. What if you give him an average of forty four million. He gets what he held out for what he stuck stuck in for what he demanded it. Do you think you can live up to it. I i don't know shannon. I can't trust it if you could promise me. That data would go win a super bowl in the next couple of years. I'd say good well done. Well pay worth every penny. But he can't do it by himself and if you're going to pay him that much money you're not going to be able to fix the defense or the offensive line and i say good luck dak prescott with the skill of the guys that you was fourteen appropriate bogus graded by fourteen yup with the thirteen of guys up contract extension. No because the. Because here's the things you let a guy get to the end of his contract. He's less likely to give you a discount and seeing what transpired every time. Somebody doesn't give you a discount. what do you do. You automatically hearken back to tom brady. And that's what i said. Tom brady has been a blessing and occurs because he's new england with their salary cap and now the expectations around the league is is that everybody should help in order to win super bowl. But you haven't shown the ability to feel the team like coach bill and you do not so. I'm not giving you the difficult. Because i don't trust you in. The quarterback situation is the only position that you bet on yourself. You don't have to have is typically great season. You just have to be healthy with the season's over okay. press got. He suffered that broken ankle. This he's ahead of schedule. Yeah i have no problem with that. I have no issue their. I'm with you but it'll cost you. Forty million okay. But here you say here comes josh allen. lamar jackson. Do i really believe better than those two younger players. I don't he's very good. But i don't think he's better than those you now all of a sudden now. You don't believe that it's better than josh allen. We're gonna last three years you. That was better than josh allen now comes. The gi gives the learning now. Jon allen is better than that no. I haven't said that we never talked about that. We never did them head. Yeah yeah no. We put him in a pool. Who you liked that you like this guy. You like that guy youtube back over. Everybody sell this. Sean sell patrick mahomes. You liked him more than josh l. u. lightning more than this one. Now by this less. We ranked quarterbacks. I think i ranked deck tenth. But that was going back a ways and i can't argue against what josh allen did last year did he not come on strong down the stretch. Last year i did love the way played in the plan but again over the last eight games last year after they got hail. Murray was not outstanding. Was number ten quarterback here. Do you ever hear the you ever hit him to give him press conferences. You ever hear them on the radio you ever hear them doing interview. Do you hear them talking to before the game. Of course not if jerry jones was his blood down and let the people that he hired do their job. You probably go a lot of other things. He wanted to be front and center. He wants to be praised. Organization and therein lies the problem. You pay quarterback that kind of money. He's the face. Jerem wants to remain the face of the bridge now. Lebron will miss his first game of the season. Tonight is the lakers. Play the kings in their final match up before the all-star break lebron is that all season that he doesn't get tired which is evidenced by the fact that he's currently played the fourth most minutes in the nba this year. But now we'll get a little rest ahead of the all star game sunday in atlanta. We're now joined by fox sports. Nba analysts for chris. Good morning how concerned are you about the minutes. Lebron has played the first half of the season here. Not at all. Not at all i for those. That may say all lebron. A week ago he was talking about punching the clock. And this is hypocritical. We all know lebron's been in ironman throughout his career but he's only played all eighty two games one time one time so he's always taken a strategic game off here or there a lot of times at the end of the season so this is nothing really to be concerned about if you're laker fan but as far as the minutes i'm not concerned because one i haven't seen a drop in play are he's playing what we know. Last ninety had thirty eight points. I'll get it. Somebody came late when he hit those three pointers but he played well. He was plus to the only starter for the lakers. Who had a positive plus minus lately as well. You see his defensive. Effort has been pretty strong. So i don't see any decline in lebron's play where i would think. Oh these minutes have taken their toll owning secondly he's only averaging thirty four point six minutes per game that's the same as last year and those are both career lows from last year and this year so the brian is not overextending himself and this is not unprecedented. You know because michael jordan skiff. You said this before. When michael jordan was thirty nine turning forty he played all eighty two games thirty seven minutes a night. Carl malone at thirty nine play thirty six minutes a night. Kobe bryant in his seventeen year played thirty eight minutes a night so this is not unprecedented and two of his last four games. Lebron has been under thirty minutes. And then finally if you share that you brought this up last week or earlier in the week the bras off the ball a lot lately like last night. Same thing off the ball. Which i like. Because it's making these other guys create but was that means. The minutes he is playing are a lot less taxing both physically and mentally like when he has the ball all the time and he's got to create ninety percent of the lakers offense for himself and his teammates that is taxing on the brain and the body. Now you see. He's taken a lot of threes. he's off the ball and his three point. Percentage is only a few games. But it's actually gone up. Forty four percent over the last three games. He's obviously playing pretty well so i actually think that that is making these minutes not be as hard for him as well so i'm not concerned in the least bit agree with you chris because i think nobody puts as much time energy and effort into their body and to maximize with a eat. Sleep the deal. The training all that does mississippi still played an elite level. He's basically twenty six eight name which is not bad for guy. You're eighteen at thirty six years of age. Twenty six eight. I'm gonna. I love to see some guys. Would they get your eighteen thirty six years of aid every those kinds of numbers. Because we've never seen anybody every those kinds of numbers this late in their career and i agree with schreuder taken more of the loan of handling the ball. Because if you notice give lebron is not bringing the ball up anymore schreuder. He's playing a lot more off. The ball lebron is ice now. The jail chris lebron one of these new age cars. You pull it to the stop light. You don't go software for like two three seconds the car so have preserved myself because i if you wear and tear on me and that's what lebron is doing by being off the ball but when he needs to be explosive you saw this last night he's still can get to the real. He's still convinced at the rim. He's still can get whatever he wants. He can post on the the put the hotpots and initiate offense. So i'm not concerned. A lot of these made it the thirty four. Just imagine chris and they hadn't gone to overtime in double overtime impor- last eight games. He would probably be somewhere around thirty one thirty two tonight. But because of the fifty plus made his deportes played forty six one game forty three forty one that increased in thirty four and a half which is still sick of light last year. what he played. I'm not concerned about go james. We take tonight all take birthday off. Take pride shootarounds. Go with this thing. Because that's what we do. We the cap that last three years. We win it and then we're gonna have more time but we'll be ready when we come back. The break you're in trouble were for here is called stays by about two so my turn and i'm about to call baloney on the king and on my man shannon sharpe because the king said before the season started on the shop to his man. Maverick carter. oh. I'm going to cherry pick a whole bunch of games this season and i call baloney. Then i said he will not miss a game. Shannon sharpe said all will. It's the shortest turnaround in the history of the nba from championship to start of season. Okay show me well. He didn't show me because he played in every game all the way until tonight's final game in the first half of the season lebron played. And don't give me average minutes. Give me total minutes on that body in the eighteenth season. Give me the fact that he is fourth in the league and minutes played in wait. He's only four behind third-place. Fred van fleet and he's only eleven minutes behind yokich his second in minutes played. So don't bring me average. don't bring me career lows. Thirty four point six. Bring me total. Bring me how many games did he sit to help his team. In the second half the season none. And i'm calling baloney on the motivation here because clearly. Lebron is playing to catch and pass kareem abdul-jabbar scoring the most points in the history of this league. Because that's all he's got left to make his case that he is go above michael jeffrey jordan. So don't it's all about catching kareem. And i believe he's put a personal goal slightly ahead of a team goal because this is a pace that he's on going into the second half of year eighteen at age thirty six and janet says well jordan played all eighty two. He played all eighty two seven times out of his first thirteen seasons. He also had an eighty one eighty but he only really played. thirteen seasons. that counted mattered. He took too often the middle of that forced in chicago run and then because he is coach was run out of talent. He said okay. I retire and he stayed retired for three years and came back for two ceremonial years in washington. That didn't matter and shouldn't count to me because it he was just playing because he could play because he was jordan so in the end. Yeah i'm going to knock on wood for lebron over the second half of the season for his team. Because i think there's a lot of new wear and tear on that great body of his. He's the most durable superstar. I have ever closely observed but at some point father time will tap on the shoulder and say you've stat padded too much through the first half of this season. You played way too many games. That didn't really matter too. Many fourth quarters that were blow out just to pad your corinne catching stats and something. I'm gonna knock on wood something like pull chris. What can you make a critique. Chris i would ask you this chris. You covered gave you say for a quarter century. Have you ever heard somebody criticized any of the all time. Great for playing the games. Like lebron james get criticized. So when jordan was playing sell eighty two games because before kareem had to record wilt chamberlain had the record. So was michael jordan. Trying to can't catch will when you've played all eighty two games because that seems to be your reoccurring theme. Lebron james played eighty two games that pad jordan bird. Magic kore- historically great players play eighty two games. We commended them. Now we are not. We offer cise lebrons of wanting to play. He hasn't alterior motive for one the play but all the other great guy coup. They got flowers. They were committed for played. Eighty two game. Lebron data. don't guy. This looked down on frowned upon. Because he wants to play is always an alterior motive for lebron. Nobody has had an alterior motive. They play because they love the game. Lebron play because he wants to stand pan. Wow i agree. I mean look guys. I remember year ago two years ago. We were criticizing the stars for sitting out nationally televised games. A lot of the lakers. Games are on national. Tv and lebron is playing in those games as well skit. We talked about the minutes with jordan. Coby karl malone even back then and we'll wasn't that long ago with a guy like cohen even back then the nutrition the training. It's still wasn't what it is today. And so lebron is getting the benefit. We see the same thing with tom. Brady guys take better care of their bodies because of technology so if they can play those minutes years ago jordan two decades ago then look run. I believe to handle these minutes today. And here's the other thing. I'm not blaming for trying to break kareem's record. Every great player jordan magic karim all day all have individual goals. That's what makes them so great. I don't think he's putting that above winning the championship. But you can do both can do both and i god bless them for going out there and trying to become the timeline score. That's a worthy goal. Michael jordan wanted to be the absolute greatest. And i'm not going criticize lebron for wanting to beat absolute greatest timeout. Michael jordan had one sole goal to win championships and he went six uno in the files with six. Ps case closed phony goat is lower james different on raw. Do get executive. That's a different argument. We're not arguing to go. You're looking down your blame lebron but wanting to play when you heap praise on jordan for plague every night when all these other great players play ula. Goodness lebron was sitting out in cleveland. You would completed michael jordan. Did this kobe bryant. Did that in different did this now. He's playing he's being selfish. The only thing he cares about his green. Why can't he get kareem's record mutually exclusive. You can do both. Just don't bring me what you've brought me over the last two or three weeks. Which is lebron. He just ran out of gas last night. I don't wanna hear it anymore now.
HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING: Previewing DaVonne Rogers and Nicole Franzel as Big Brother All-Stars
"Every what's going on rock here and we are hypothetically speaking about two other women who may be returning to the Big Brother House for big brother. All Stars next week. Of course, we don't know and we won't know for sure until Wednesday when the people start walking through royal rumble style on the big premiere coming up on Wednesday August fifth but in the meantime. We are reading the tea leaves and trying to figure out who might be in the cast and today we're going to be hypothetically speaking about the return of Dave on Rogers and Nicole France all. Yes that's right. Okay. So that's what we're doing here today. Make sure you don't miss any of our previous episodes by subscribing to the PODCAST ROB has a website dot com. Slash I tunes we appreciate your feedback and star ratings as well. This is the fourth part of this series today. Of course, we've already done episode one on General in cody hypothetically returning episode two was Ian and Bailey and episode number three from yesterday was Danny D'Amato in case or if you miss any of those, be sure to check those out as well. But. First we've got our conversation about Yvonne Rogers with, of course, Taryn will be with us for a both segments. Today we're GONNA be talking about Dave von with Amman Edwin, and then we're also going to be talking with Sharifa. Yes. Mean as well about Devan, and then we'll talk about Nicole Frenzel and we will be joined by Mel Hall and also by another Newcomer Chapelle. To talk about the hypothetical third time back for this big brother player we're talking about Dave on Rogers and here as he's been with me every step of the way Taryn Armstrong. Taryn. How are you? Doing. Great. Very excited to talk once more to some lovely people about some lovely players. Yes. Taryn I know you're excited to have devan comeback but no matter how excited you are it will not match the level of this person the Internet's number one. Avon superfan Amman had is here on how are you? I'm so excited. I'm I might sound crazy I really might crazy when I first heard her name pop up on some of these, you know alleged spoiler accounts. Medal. I got like just a smidgen materia because I am such a huge von Fan. She is my favorite big brother player. I know that that's a questionable decision to a lot of people but I don't care in the fact that she is going to be competing possibly for a third time on big brother. All Stars to is just the best news and twenty twenty that I could ever ask for super excited to be here and talk about this. Yes. This is such a wonderful relationship that you that that you just you stand Avon so much. It's. It's amazing. I stand her so much. She's like one of the people that I got so excited to wash feeds for I would just follow her around all the time during the eighteen. Did I I didn't even know what we were missing out on like when she left IBI seventeen. So quickly when she came back I was like, Oh, I am so about this and I've been about this for like the longest time so. Having a real friendship now at this point or it's only just that you from afar. No. I wouldn't classify it like that but I definitely will have a couple of conversations here and there with her. Nothing nothing nothing better friendship. Right And also here joining us, we have another newcomer from the class of twenty twenty. Welcome sharieff the yes mean Sharifa, how are you? I'm doing great. I. Am so excited because I am also a giant dimond ban and I stopped watching BBC seventeen because she laughed and I was wow. Yeah. I'm not kidding that season feelings about and I'll maintain that right now because we don't need to start a lot of fires. I was so excited to see her come back for eighteen, and then also to follow her on the challenge and get to see like her game play on the challenge and how she's evolved. So I I'm really excited to see her back and I think we're GONNA see a really evolved devan this year. That surprising that you would stop seven I could see eighteen more she had she came she came back she went further. You really you got a sense of her. So quickly that you said I'm out on the whole season. Well it was. It was the back to back. It was like losing audrey. A lot to me and then losing divine just being left with this castle like I hearst than elite didn't find anyone that I really loved and I have found that it's healthy with big brother season if you already. It going south for you. Yes. Log Of. Okay. All right for can you tell the listeners a little bit about yourself? Choice. So my name is Saudi mean I am. American My family moved here when I was three and I've bounced all around the Carolinas. I am a theater director by trade. It's an actual career look up and I am a survivor big brother Superfan. Ever sensory fields hit the beach exile island and I am so excited to talk about my favorite thing, but I never get to talk about with theater people because I think I'm crazy. Okay. All right. Let's get into Devan Dave. Came into the game and bb seventeen and she ended up having. She got a superpower even in her short time in. Seventeen. Remember that. The last the last the last laugh with cabinet with Kathy Griffin right on. Yep last laugh Kathy Griffin wasn't going to do again. Out Avert or I think it was very yeah. Yeah she can't revotes. Wow. Okay, let's talk about the early days. Your first impressions of. Dave on BB seventeen. Well, off the Bat, I mean, she was the only black person in the house so that for me was like Oh man like you already have like you're you're rated at a stand, you know you just want to support her no matter what. But. On top of that, I, really could be seventeen was actually I like I like I like. Relationship with big brother is like very gradual. Fifteen is where I started. Sixteen is where I kinda caught my bearings and then bb seventeen was where I actually started to pay more attention to the culture of the game and everything. So actually was. Washing all the interviews before during the preseason and something that really struck me with her was just how much of a fan that she was and how much student of the game that she is. She's a very cerebral player and I think that a lot of people tend to forget that because she has a big personality matched that and the two don't always go together in the Big Brother House but that was the thing that really drew me the most to her be seventeen. And then just seeing her interact in the first week with the rest of the house guests was just like go to me I mean she's she's a sound about sound by Queens. She's the Queen. She's like a lot of people compare her to Britney, Haynes just naturally funny without trying and you just you just naturally want to root for her even even though you know that she doesn't always make the best decisions just drawn to someone like that. So that was like my first impression I was. Instantly love. Yes. It was a good feeds also bb seventeen to to get started. FEE feeds were lit early on in that season. Yes, they were very late and she was a big reason as to why I didn't I wasn't really a big feed watcher and be seventeen and that was like the thing that I. Would hear so much when she eventually got back for eighteen was like Oh my God. We're so happy. She was so great on those visas like really in two weeks this must be a star like she's a Damn Star I love it. Yeah. Taryn could you just set the stage of some of the story lines in the early on in BB seventeen? Yeah. So she was part of a big alliance that formed early on I can't remember the name of it. It might have been something to do with the moon or might that might have been the later one? Not. I can't remember exactly but it was a big alliance that included. Audrey and shelling clay and Jason and meg and them and they're very quickly started to break apart into different factions. Audrey was running around playing, sequester, and big brother. And and it was it was not working out super well. and. There's also a lot of tension that formed between Day von and clay I think in particular. which really was something that then Vanessa, who was on the outside of that alliance was told about it by Audrey, we used to help split it up. And then sort of divide and conquer. And then Dave von found out about the twin twist but not fast enough in wasn't able to use it well enough to say. About being. Yes infected from the house early on there in week two. Yes. She noticed it was a slight difference between the Nolan twins if I recall. Yes. I think I was GONNA say it. Out there, let's cow. Yeah. For sure. She did have a lot of fun moments Dow. Mentioning on the IAN PODCAST OUT WIN Steve Moses said I, love you to her. Yeah, I've forgotten how that. She like the think about it and I think the reason she got invited backer bb. Eighteen. Left such an impression in such a short amount of time I. mean she had all those moments. The fact that she was a poker dealer, her relationship with Jason the fact that she would call out clay to his as they have that whole hugging moment where she looked straight at the camera and she clocked them for the Gods she like she every moment with her was a story in an event and it was so. In genuine to her character that like image you really bass and just a pure entertainment way when it came to her just something really really quickly I think we should get out in front of his as well like. On big brother Seventeen I think it was Klay that coin did I'm not entirely sure. They often called her Mama Day. And I'll. I know a lot of big brother fans are you call her that? Because that's what she called on the season. She actually really does not like being called that. So So hopefully, you're listening to this podcast now you know you should not call her mom and day you should call her Dave van or even just day I. Think is fine. But do not call her mama debt. Shelvin new nickname because I feel like that, that would help why if you could replace the nickname, people would call her the newer nickname that would be devan approve. I mean, just like I think that days just fine. Yes. She wasn't a big fan of that. She was I think I think the exact quote was like I'm way too young to be anybody's mom and his house. So she was twenty seven years old. Time. Yeah I mean even even though she is a mother, she's not damn. Mama's though not. A mind. We talked about Jason. Can you talk about a few of her allies in the BBC Seventeen House so we can get a sense of the types of players that she'll work with. She was definitely big big fans with our big friends with Jason on. She had a thing going audrey even like in the beginning of the game she had a thing. May, end with shelly that eventually disintegrates by week too. She she was a big fan of Jackie as well. I think. During during the BBC seventeen she came back for this segment called the B. Sound off where she was a very vocal about like how Jackie had come into her own as the game progressed, and of course, as well and James I. Think. The name of the alliance was called the GOBLINS. That's what you were trying to refer to earlier or. Later when it was just like Meg and There it was like crescent moon was on I swear I've not crazy crescent moon. Okay. That's not familiar they. I think they have like they had a bunch of names. It was like really I think Audrey named it. of course you did. Okay. All right. Anything else from Devon BB seventeen or should we jump ahead to one summer later? Important to talk I'm sorry on. Dark Dark Dark. Dark Mirror or that's I think it's important to look at in her sort of evolution from bb seventeen eighteen is like the end ammonia judge Donna? Is Her relationships essential. Great. Easily like she initially had this alliance with Shelly. Audrey was supposed to be like this all female power trio and I think what we saw in seventeen in what led to her early exit is. Dan Has a challenge of being able to like contain how he personally feels on something and sometimes I. It will drive her game clay instead of letting her allowing it to sort of like standard surface and breathe and just like clock the knowledge and use it and how he moves forward. But what she did is audrey she called out shelley and those relationships disintegrated and. Ended up leading to her affection because sally was the h who came up with this whole plan on the block just so that she could get devan out who used to be her ally Devan have been able to stay calm on the situation and not call her out and try to maintain a relationship with shelley in clay even though she already caught them as untrustworthy think, she would have had a lot more longevity in that game. It's a common struggle in the story that we see a lot of the time specifically with men on shows like these like it's the way that if they pop off, it seems like Oh my God like that's it. I can't trust her now like she's she's she's going to go against me. That was that was all reasoning right? Like she I think the exact incident that we're referring to is when she went. Is that she's a fan of the show. He loved the show she loves a little twist. So she went into the room to go and count like all of the Knick knacks and the room because she felt like maybe at some point Oh. Yeah. That will help her along the lines in a competition later on. And, Shelley and clay were in the bed all booed up and they saw her go in there like what's what's going on and they I forget who it was but they set someone in the room to see what the heck she was doing and Dave on heard that and so obviously that you got posted be my allies but you obviously don't trust me if you filling the send somebody into a bed room to see what I'm doing, what are you going to be doing in the bedroom? So that was that was frustrating for her and she let it known that it was frustrating and when she did that seemed like it was just like irreversible damage to the relationship. Show you say at at that point when she nominated her I feel like you can't trust me and I can't trust us at that point I feel like you just have to go. Well, she had the whole other layer and I'm on. I'm really glad you brought it up but she had the whole other layer in that game of being the only black person and one of three people of color I think in that entire game and she like the thing about it, and we don't discuss it that much as a whole other game that people of color often have to play especially if we women when it comes to big brother and they're often targeted immediately for coming across as untrustworthy in quote unquote. Dangerous and I think that season would have worked out a lot differently. If we saw the diversity that we're starting to see now on there and her game play I think and thank you for challenging me on that because I think her game clay is a lot stronger than she got this show because of this whole extra layer that game that she had to play with. Okay. as I do want to just do that all the comments about correcting me about dark moon I apologize dark moon would be like. Audrey was evicted. Based on something that Audrey said in the house I still can't remember the name of the original big alliance but. Don't you don't need to dominate. Brock. Okay. All right. Then, let's skip ahead a one year. The producers knew that they had found Golden Devan. They knew that it was wasted that when she went out early and seventeen brought her back as one of the four coaches to comeback with uh frank and with James and with Nicole F-. In Big Brother Eighteen, and she would be the captain of his team known as big sister a little team with. Was Put together with. Holly? Yes. All the KEA. Kia Yeah. Paul your boy and Joe's as the massage. Just, I was just depressed differentiating from Paulie Calif era. Yes. Yes. Your brother. But They reared. Price is right. Advert. Version of the price is right where they had all four of those players I believe on the show including Devon and I was going back to like what we were talking about. The time we were talking about like I wonder if this means that they're bringing Devan back because she's on the price is right? No No. That's Preview. TOMORROW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT Doing press like the pre in like may into June eighteen she was popping up a lie I mean she she popped up in the prices right? She popped up on in an interview that Robin Cass. Was a part of where she was talking about like you will come into the open call like how they should be presenting themselves with the one chance to get on the show and von was sitting right next to robbing you know giving them advice and they and Robin again, you have to just be like just like your end up on the show and Yvonne was like you know making little hints there in there that. When I do this again, you know. I I would do differently to make sure that when you play you play with no regrets and you just go balls to the wall. So a lot of people were like, Oh, my goodness like. She must be a part of this why? Why are we getting so much dave on content if not going to mean anything so I was I was super. Yeah. Point that was like something's up something is I'm blown away tearing that the big brother prices right was all the way back from before big brother's seventeen. That's when it was. Big Brother. Eighteen. Pre. Team. Yeah Wow I think frank was there to back before. Yeah, it would be. One year later where Paul would go play. Candy crush also. The Golden. Age of being on Big Brother and game shows at the same time. Okay. All right. So here she is. Part of a big sister shrp tell me about Dave relationship in in in big sister because that seemed to be the group that was maybe not so much going to follow the lead of their coach, you mean dysfunctional and turbulent. Yeah I mean I. Came in and she was on a team with Josiah and Kia an Paul who were all sort of pushing the initiative of like we need to go after these veterans we can't let them like escape to the end. We've seen what happened in bb fourteen we've seen what happened and bb thirteen and It was really unfortunate to watch because devan could immediately towel that she was in this position and she would just be in a diary tears and I remember people thinking that she was the first. Boo because she was the only person who is in the diary room in different clothes. Then remember was when we had the first elimination which I think Glenn ended up with. How could you forget? Really, nervous for her and then she i. think it was the second to last challenge. Big sister ended up winning. Then I think it was a nickel France aimed I ended up going to be the elimination it was. y'All Dave Dave on comes into this season with a couple of vets that she plans on working with, and she again starts off the season. In a big alliance, this one I do remember the name of it was called the eight-pack. And it was it was a big group of people that she was again part of entity canned. Part. But but she was doing a better than the first time. This time that she had better connections she was she had better allies one of the major thorns in her side was Nicole Frenzel. And certainly. was was frank who I'm sure we'll also talk about but. But that eight-pack was was where she started. She also tried to do the fatal five, which was an all women's Alliance. That also did not work out. And also Nicole was in that. Yes Nicole is also in that one it was it was really like. devan frank and Nicole as the the three main. Of the four. Were were really like these these sort of like they none of them could ever trust each other NAM and they just kept screwing each other up in in any alliances that they were all Bardo. Well, they actually really trusted France all she really really trusted friends and I can't remember what happened when she got a piece of information because free ansell was starting to connect a lot more with holly and that really tall or the name Corey and was starting to descend from the fatal five, which actually had some legs up into that quaint and divine was continuing to trust France a which was. Shocking because days greatest superpowers, her level for presumption. But France all was sort of her Kryptonite and I think she got some sort of piece of information that may be Amman. You can fill and that was the final piece in the coffin of her being able to trust France all, and that's when that was sort of the beginning of the end for Iran. Yeah. It was something something to do with. Pau earthy me Frank. It was frank. Yeah. told him told her about Nicole wanting her out and she didn't want to drop from that competent. It was the competition where they had to hold their arm keep the thing. They were they were there to like the Sun. Rose that more than. One Air Yeah I was I remember being so upset with her when she decided to pull because Ridge didn't WanNa fall because he was she was little cabbage patch kid for Frank but. They didn't want to either because she couldn't really touch France. But you couldn't really touch Nicole either she just knew that the people that she thought was supposed to be on her side the beds because she entered the game having to be with them right when she didn't like. It either a team up with the vets or? Were done for so. Why not having any of their in her corner was you just really bring her out? It was. A weird situation where frank was such a wild card and like he told Paulie about the pack and that then they had to bring Paulie in. Nicole is working with the women, but she was also trying to work with the guys. She kind of knew poly because he was connected to cody she really wanted to work with frank frank was like her favorite player of all time. At the time, and so she was trying to play the women and the men off of each other. But Frank was a Jew wildcard the went and told Dave von and things just catapulted from there. It was it was a it was a really, really really crappy situation to be in an I remember I remember when. I started Dave von was starting to sink into. This attitude of like I just WanNa play by myself. She literally said sitting here talking to us. I just WANNA play by myself because they put, they put her in this big sister alliance. With people that she knew were coming after her and it was really really really really bad because she just felt like she had to play this game by herself because she felt like putting spring herself too thin was going to be what put her in a bad situation. So I was really really proud of her when she was like the instrumental person and bringing together the eight-pack because. Okay Okay Dave and okay like you're you're learning that you have. You have to play with other people. You don't even if you can't just I know that you got screwed the last time but had at some point you have to learn how to trust people, and so I was really happy to see her at least make that changing her game. Yes and I think the key the key parts. That about a lot of people remember about day vons game and their eighteen was that she was basically approached by Nicole and Corey Pauline Akia to be the fifth in their showman's Alliance and she turned it down to their face. And basically, it was the fifth wheel. and. Then she told James I believe it was james that she was approached by them and that's why Nicole was like, oh well now they know that this is an alliance you you're adding it's out. and. Call. was tension. Right like there was this the tension circled around. And again like that led to the. Fatal five and. And, the the frank situation and all sorts of stuff that. Did Not work out well perfect. I mean when I talk about day, not really hotting tolerance level for just like do what you need to do in the game because in that moment. Saying yes. Every alliance talk shit about later say yes every alliance let them think with them because that would have put in a good position because she would have had those who couples having her back. She still had the Kea and Oh my God. What is her name? It starts with an M. and she does show Michelle each each. And she had big need as side relationships and she sort of had like a loosing with James and Natalie as well. If she had just like bit her tongue gone with it, she could've putted the demise from the inside but I don't think that. Jay. Has a great ability to look at the bigger picture and I think that's what happened to her here and like you said, it's of was the beginning of the end. Yeah. hearkens back to. Season Seventeen we talked about it. She felt she was the one that figured out the twin twist and I did a podcast on this that Vanessa ended up being the person that used the knowledge of the twin twist to really effectively transform her game whereas Devan took it and was like Oh let me tell my friends about it like this is so exciting that I figured this out right I think you're right like the big picture stuff is what she has lacked in the past. By. Hopefully, what we can talk about is that you know she's had more experience on the challenge now I feel like we've. Certainly been talked to death the I feel like both of those mistakes, classic mistakes that people talk about all the time I have to imagine that she's heard those things she has learned from them. She's definitely the kind of player that strikes me as the person that could learn from those things. So you know Moving forward from here I'm very curious to see where she goes. I I don't know whether it's get into talking about her challenge game or different relationship things. We're on eighteen I. Guess while we're while we're here I have such a vivid memories of. A DEVAN in the jury. House? Jess. Just. Tearing Paulie. To shreds in the jury house, and as we're talking about other hypothetical people that she's going to be playing with that, she is not going to be playing with polly in this season, but she is going to be playing with. So. Thank. You I is it possible that she still have a beef were smoke with the California's? From so I don't really follow the challenge too closely but from what I know they. Patched things up as well as they feel like they were pretty cordial when another the first time that they were on the show together so I would have to imagine that holly his pro maybe he's not like days number one fan he certainly probably wouldn't I feel like he probably would hope that his brother would vote. Would work with her I would assume. So I mean it was you're right it was a very very Fiery relationship between the two of them in the jury house it's probably what makes. Grab. One of the best jury have one of the best phases of the modern seasons of big. Brother. I just want her to I just wanted to say to cody at some point That's the one you lay with not. Haven't seen you to a man yet. You buckle name yet. But I got the I. Think I think I think that I think that actually and this might have been Dave van kind of doing what she needed to do with challenge because polly was a big figure there. But from what I understand they're actually on pretty good terms. Divan polly So I if anything I think that that's actually a probably a good connection, a cody and devan okay. I watched her her youtube videos that she did back when the challenge was airing and she actually talked about her polly or friends now. Oh, they reach Al like they not to get into it but when he was going through this whole thing with car Maria like day was supportive arm. Support a friend to him I. Don't know why metaphors trying to us, but it wasn't successful but They're actually friends to. From what I understand. Okay. Could. You just talk about Divan as player in the challenge and any differences between the way that she played big brother and the way that she played the challenge? I, think that like they von ultimately and like I said I, haven't I haven't followed it that closely but from what I know what I've seen on the show I think that she has learned how to. Calm down yes and also to just think before she speaks I think that she's also learned. She's also improved a bit of her physicality as well. He came away with a few wins in the first she was there. She also came away with more wins and she placed pretty far in the second time that she was there. So I feel like she has at least similar arcs on both show. So I'm hoping that this third time around big brother, it's the ultimate improvement I won't make the call for. What that ultimate improvement is but I'm hopeful that will be that because I feel like she's learned how to you know temper herself when you need to be but also sort of a thing I think what remains to abundance that she used Avon through and through that always comes out at the end of the day year she's in her thirties now and there's a level of maturity that happens at that point and The ability for her just like half patients like we she was partnered with Stephen Bear. He's cracked out his I'd and she was so patient with him and good with him and they were actually successful team because of days ability to work with him and it was just such a level of growth that we saw from her than what we saw in bb seventeen where you know she wasn't able to have that same level of tolerance. Yet she's such a diplomat on the challenge, there are all kinds of. Wacky personality is on show. As you mentioned, she was partnered with bare choose able to get along with him. And get along with the rest of the House who hated him at the time she was able to like manage that. She got over the be like she was able to mend the beef with polly and is now friends with Paulie Fury, not from big brother but from the challenge who is like ten times as You know Zany as he was on big brother like she has honed this skill of dealing with all kinds of different personalities and being somebody that can really get along with everyone. That is that is her character on the challenge as far as I'm aware from what I've seen from her on the challenge, and if she can bring that to the Big Brother House. I think she'll be a really good spot. Is She a popular figure to challenge fans that don't know her from Big Brother Okay love. Her. Has a level of popularity in challenge, I? Like she kind of had him big brother big. Fan Base but did challenge she was quite loved if I remember correctly and she's regarded as one of the best big brother players to come to the challenge they wanted to come back and the only reason that she's not because because she said no so they they they're they're big fishing. THEM ON. From what I've from what I've heard from Matt Liguori is that they did not treat her very well, and so she decided not to come back season. Alright. She's come home to big brother hypothetically for big. was. Training based off of the things that tournus Riva have said I feel like this was a training ground for for this very moment. So the fact this is even happening just like I mean you couldn't even ask for a better story. Okay and I I think people I, think people will underestimate her because they don't see the growth that has happened. And and I think and they were they probably remember her for this is the one you lie with and and all of that and I. I'm not GonNa be the fifth wheel like. I think they're going to be surprised at how? How Good she can be. Spied to you know what I mean based off of the alleged cast like I mean, it'd be already kind of talked about cody they're probably going to work together I mean. Depending on like what's going on with Josh and Casey like she's pretty good with friends with mfl like a lot of the ways like Josh is on the season like she is going to probably be doing the exact same thing that she did with even bear with Josh. So I discussed all leads to like a really really good spot or hurts. Know. Well be behind the scenes on that note though I do feel like that the big story that we need to talk about. The status of Josh in Casey is extremely hypothetical that. We're recording this podcast, but I think that it comes back to her big brother eighteen cast member Frenzel, and what is the status of that relationship now, we know that Nicole must like Dave on enough or that devan wouldn't be on the cast right Taryn. Obviously I think Ali I think probably Nicole is just allowing Devan be on the cast just so she can humiliate her and get her out. I. Think that's probably reason. Okay. What else seriousness in all seriousness? All right. What do we have any insight into the status of this relationship? From what I picked up on and rather be Bob more information please fill in I know that there's a level of respect there between both them especially day was the deciding vote for all to win that game and call even talked about in interviews after she sort of regretted what happened with her relationship with Dan she wanted to get to know her more and we saw like if they can and become not only allies but friends with polly backup to a man. Yat Poly. You know I have to think that having on the cast is actually a benefit today because I think days one of her few relationships that France will actually has coming in Yeah. I mean I've talked about this a little bit before with some other players but I do worry that this is the kind of relationship where they want to be good. But in the backs of their minds, they're gonNA remember and they're going to be suspicious and it's going to spiral out of control. Because I think it's I think it's a lot easier for former enemies to come together and work together I think that people who tried to be allies, multiple times and kept stabbing each other in the back and kept betraying each other and kept. And ended up fighting the that memory is GonNa be there they're going to be Oh, well, we're working together but we were before too and it went wrong. So. I need to be watching out to be covering my back, and then the other person sees the other person covering their back until like why are they covering the back? They don't trust this alliance I need to cover my back and you know. I honestly feel it's in Devine's best interest to. Play the Gill Card you can't be too heavy handed with it but like you, you do not need to be about reminding Nicole as to how she won that game. You know what? I made enough. You're like a CO has such a I'm going to get you before you get me mentality that I feel like on should remain wary of but. I think it is far better for them to call the truth whether or not. They're going to be able to do that. I really don't know I really don't know. But I mean like we said if there's any if we can get any inclination based off of how divine has been to mend relationships with anything really to men because even though. Cut Her she's so for her to win so I just feel like I just I just feel like as long as she would keep Nicole in her back pocket by any means necessary. Okay. Good. Honestly, if I'm if I'm Dave Van I'm I'm going to shake Nicole's hand I'm going look in the I'm going to smile and be like it's word cool and then I'm going to get her out as soon as possible. That is what I'm doing. If I'm Yvonne, it's just not worth the risk it's not. Cold going to feel like that's coming or maybe Nicole might have it coming down. She might feel that it's coming whether or not. I'm going to do that to her so I better do it to her. Actually disagreed slightly I agree with the mindset it's harder to trust somebody that you trusted before but I just seeing day on the challenge she's really good about Lake repairing bridges now in a way that should watson before and I feel like if I'm coming into situation I'm looking at it hey, everyone is going to expect us to have tension with each other and if we can figure out a way to have true honesty and transparency, we can go really far. I think they is out of place in her life that one she's to acknowledge that that's what she needs to do and too I really think she could execute it. I think that's fair I. Think she has a lot of other options though so Very, true like she might not need to but but I think that I do agree I think that's the ideal way to handle it. If. It's possible. All right look hard like the more and more we talked about it the more I'm damn. Maybe she just get. Has Been. It's Nice talk about some of those other options are there any other of these players hypothetically that are coming back? That are positive relationships for Dave on. Race what if race is on I know there's a lot of questions I think that's a major major hypothetical at. Yeah, we're not how. He's a big fan of genetic thing is a big day von Fan as well. So there I, think there's something there for the two of them. Do they have any history together or it's just? Social media interaction. Admiration like very vocal about how much she likes Geno? Yeah and they're also both mothers and I think that. Like we talked about with Gina, Gina will be looking to bond with the mother thing. Like she did with Britney on the amazing race. I think that. Jon. Wants to work with women. It wouldn't surprise me if Devan wanted to work with women, I. think There's a lot of different connections there. There's also been a picture that's been floating around of Devan Kiesha? Were know what their relationship is, but they look pretty friendly in the picture it comes from the the twenty premier. beat. So that's recent too. So they have a connection and I don't think Kisha will have many other connections. Yeah. So I could easily see that being somebody who's GonNa photo because I feel like that some of these things that you go to these events and then you just like, Oh, you get together take a picture. I even if it were. If like, yeah we're talking about Kisha who taking lots of pictures with people that vote in the out of reality. Okay. Picture is. Buffy. We'll be you have you have a lot of relationships in the community whereas I'm not sure Kisha does. So if you're. Looking around. She sees a friendly face. She had a good interaction with Avon even if it was only one. Then that's still something and it might be more than that. It's like, oh Yeah. Yeah. Yeah that. Bailey was recently on the challenge. I don't know if they've talked at all or if they've talked about it at all but I feel like that's a good connection as well. They can talk about their time on the challenge especially now that Josh and Casey aren't there to get in the way. I think. You know there's there's something there. So I i. think she has a lot of different options. Here we got. We got to see a bit of light them after the BB twenty finale Dave almost really supportive the whole. Proposal from. Swaggie, and everything and so they. Could definitely see the two of them working together. and. Also Day la- has lake. Very. Much expressed her desire to work with other women of color especially black women at something that she's. Tried to do her relationship with the keough whereas Tribuna moments with something that David a lot of building blocks in for. Not Building blocks I knew this off saying that word. Challenge with Cam there was a lot of investment with faith. So I think naturally day is going to want to see the other contestants exceed especially if there is a number of investments that are in this game like. There's a natural trust that's going to be there from being able to be around someone who understands about your experience because the majority of the cast does not and it's it's a valuable thing that people can do i. actively think that they will pursue relationships with the other women of Color in the House and tried to unite them, which is exactly what they need to do, and I also think that day is. A really good position with the people that she doesn't have relationships with like I. Think she worked with Nicole Anthony and heartbe lake. There's a lot of people that I think are going to gravitate to wanting to work with day I just think this is a really great cast for her. She's she has a great reputation in the in the community like I don't think anybody's GonNa go in there other than Nickel Frenzel. Thinking that they might WanNa target, which is again why I banked Avon my it's May might be just be worth it to get rid of the the one person might target you. But I think that I think that a lot of people will probably gravitate toward her I think a lot of people want to work with von. And I think it's a very good thing for her. Yeah. She's a really good spot I. think she's a fan favorite the rest of the people going into the house they're gonNa know that I imagine that there's like a slight a slight alarm bell that goes off and people's having like. Put on the blog too soon because I don't want these fans coming from you A. Little bit of that. Going on I. think that she's really in a great position suggest have her pick of the litter. It's kind of like the way that Nicole set her game up and be eighteen kind of like what Dan Devine, kind of walking into automatically would be. DB twenty two already had a bit of a cocoon like if I can be you know presumption presumption have this what comes out of a cocoon. Eight something that makes poly cry blogger fly. Family. Butterfly, was like okay. GotTa. Be careful as quick. that. You are following Dave on social media very closely. Is there anybody that she's not a fan of that is hypothetically in this cast In this, cast. I do not believe so okay. How does she feel about tyler? I think she likes Taylor I feel him. Yeah. He had a problem with Tyler. What about she was in vocal about how'd you hear about Paul bb nine eighty had some because if there's anybody in the House that's a Paul. Fans maybe not a great relationship like maybe like maybe a holiday something. Yeah. Yeah that might be a little strange. and. I Don know yes I don't know but then you have to think about like how? But. Then you have the big about how the rest of these players feel about Christmas, because I thought about that too. and. I don't necessarily know of Christmas. Is that popular going amongst the rest? Certainly not yeah. Date coined calling Christmas thanksgiving and President's Day Day. Steve. Led the charge. So they're completely oh well, this could be great diary rooms that. Maybe. Chris Yeah maybe Christmas is the person she should target I. Yeah. That'd be right. Okay. All right. Anything else about Dave van that we WANNA make sure people know about. I'm just I'm so over the moon, Ya like it really reminded moon yelling that I. Dark Wind Sir. I'm just over it the because I I remember when the Premiere episode, it'd be be eighteen and they had those bets pop out of that trunk and then we saw her come out and that's gorgeous. Trunks were so stupid. Forgot. It was I just remember being. So excited to see her back into play this game. I mean I think we knew that this is going to happen I think we're kind of like you're you're crazy. If you assume that big that big brother is not gonNA call Dave Bombay or an all-star season but like now like close the confirmation as we could get what if. Trunks you're. Out of the boxes. To, break cited all. Okay willing to make a bold statement. Yes. I'm a bold person. I really have a good feeling about today's chances to win this game. I think she's at the right place in her life I. Think she has the right relationships coming in I think more so than almost anyone else and I really think this could be her season. I. Really really do yeah I really. But I'm glad you did I wasn't thinking that she had especially bright prospects for. Going all the way this season. But this was a very convincing podcast. I mean I it's not pitcher alone in that either rob I. think that a lot of people they just they remember her differently they just don't. Yeah. All the nuances that go along with the game, and of course, the challenge part of August, and that's why she could do so well because it's the play, the players who never do well in the players like Oh, this person like Malcolm's definitely GonNa, win this season because that. This is the. Painful I'll start no but this is like she's really in in a good spot for people that you want people to sort of like e sleeping on you. So you think did not very very figuratively where they're not they're not targeting you not gunning for you and you have to have a network of relationships. Dave Dave Devan is definitely in my top tier of. I. Think. She's one of the top contenders to win personally. Okay. Wow What are we doing to? Actually crown this podcast I have no. But of band. It's taking me really taking me out like I'm so happy she's back. Down really crazy and everything but like I have one of this for her for so long because she's wanted it for herself or so he's been every six months. He's on twitter like. Me Back Call? I'm ready to play again, ready to play and she's getting that chance and I really hope that she does well, I, really do so I'm so happy she wants it bad. She wants to take that title and I think that drive is going to take her really are and everything that she's learned and she's not coming with massive target because I'm bb seventeen and eighteen she was perceived as this big. Threat especially, mentally she was really perceived fry and then I think now because of how seasons played out, they're not going to see her in that light and She's not coming in with the reputation that Paul is coming in with you know she's not coming in with the reputation that France is coming at Webb she's coming in as a likable person who is trustworthy and are going to connect with that and she's Calmed down enough in terms of just growing older that she's going to know when to speak and when not to, and that's going to take your fire. You know Dave van. So well from watching her over these years that is there any other like win condition for her where if hypothetically, she doesn't end up. Winning but. Plays a great game is like, is there something that she's hoping to get out of the season that might not just be getting to the end and being the winner of the season? If it's like a season where the she's like really under the radar and just happens to get the win I guess is a version of the big Jaffa. Would you rather be like win? Beheaded but win win and. Nobody cares or losing I. Think it's more Ikea like, would you rather win? Not Be respected losing be alleged. Yeah. from what I know I. Mean there's there's a clip of her at the open casting call for BBC seventeen and she said I want to be the first African American player to ever win this game So I I really feel like she has her eyes on the prize and if she doesn't win the game I, think if anything if she makes far if she she improves upon eleventh place. And proves the people that she can. You know she's not just like what people think of as the game of big brother I feel like that's also something to walk away with like you you. She's able to prove to everybody that she's not just that loud personality and that she's she's not just personality she added to the Gamer like she wants to be known as a Gamer and I think if she walks away with a win as well and just that you mentioned in the eleventh place of, is that what was finishing big brother eighteen? Number injury. Sort of wild this is her third time out and her best finish is eleventh place. So she has a lot of experience in big brother under her belt, but it's it comes in a package that people are not looking at her like she doesn't have like a deep run where anybody is lying. Oh, got to watch out for. Because this is what she does when she gets to the end. I think she's another one of those players where you dave on the person and Dave on the player. She is better than what she's been able to show on the show and I think I would imagine that. You know barring Complete Vegan title victory at the very least she wants to be able to showcase that finally, I'd to be able to have a game that represents who she feels. She is as a player. Okay. All right. Anything else for. David. We set it all that we can GONNA go down from here is is so happy. That maybe they should just cancel the season. There's we're we're already. Know. I need to get her flowers and need her to. Flourish this season I need it native for my soul. Okay. All right. Amman where can people see more of what you're doing? You can find me at Amman Allen on twitter most likely at this point going off about Dave on okay tyler. Sure. What about you? So you can find me on twitter at city. Yes. mean why as I an underscore talk a lot about reality TV and sequester. I also have a podcast for sequester called podcasts there Please come check us out if you don't know about sequester, you should. Okay. and. Of course. Taryn. We're getting closer and closer to the big brother kickoff. Where can people keep up with everything you're doing? Can find me on twitter at Armstrong, Taryn and twitch twitch dot. TV Slash Taryn Armstrong. Okay. All right. This was so much fun to talk with you all about Dave on and look forward to seeing how she does. Yes. All right. Dave van. Rogers coming back Renton Coal Franceville hypothetically returning here in just a moment get into all that with Taryn and Mel End Chapelle here on episode number four of hypothetically speaking series. But first let me thank a sponsor for this episode of the podcast and we are going to be talking about light stream if you want to save money to summer why not start by paying less interest on your credit card? 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Dot com slash are subject to credit approval rate includes a point five, zero percent auto pay discount terms and conditions apply and offers are subject to change without notice visit light stream, dot, com slash RJ for more information. All right. This is going to be a fun one because I know this is a highly anticipated person who could be making a hypothetical return to the Big Brother House for what would be her third time. We're GONNA be talking about Nicole Frenzel winner of big brother. Eighteen, of course. Back. With me again is Taryn Armstrong. Taryn. How are you? I'm great again. So happy to be talking about big brother especially after big brother eight, a big candidate was unfortunately cancelled and it's good to be talking about the person responsible for no no I don't think that Nicole had anything to do with that. Come on. Come on. You I mean rob let's we don't need to be nice. We know we know what Nicole did. It's become such a big story of all things from preseason that may or may not be being blamed on Nicole you. Yes yes. Yes. Kadosh. Oh okay. All right. I'm very excited to have a with us here today to talk about Nicole France Mel hearst this year Mel how are you? Good. Thank you. Actually Hulst Oh you're still a lot. A Lake that's hearst. Anyway I'm excited talk about our fruit loop dingus friend Cole even after all of the terrible things she's done lately. McKay. For people who are joining us the UNINITIATED I. Mean right now, we're not. We're not. We're not blaming the call for doing anything Else. Would be drinking and I'm also excited for a man who was making his rha debut part of the class of twenty twenty. Welcome Chapelle Chapelle. How are you? I'm good rob. I'm good I'm very excited to talk about well as fellows lorraine. I'm very excited about Lord Baltimore. Nicole Renzo. Queen of darkness she who must not be named. Okay. All right. Was it big meech that called Nicole snake- snake. All was that was that a nickname that big meech had given her and big brother eighteen. Guess. Picture her hosing sneak. Yeah. Yeah again. Joe's. Chose yeah. Like week one on on Nicole's. wiki page the Phantom wikipedia page she has the they often list nicknames. This Nicole's nicknames fruit loop dingus Snake Coal Nicole Bre rat call. To name a few that was working animals for. The Nicole stuff but yet, Nicole is a very polarizing player. I think people have strong opinions about her that she has many people who love her as a player. She's got a big following fellow podcast was also a lot of people that do. Not Love Nicole, a lot of times probably fans of other players who feel like that Nicole has wrong turn way and we'll try to sort out the fact from the fiction as we preview the return of Nicole France. From Sixteen Big Brother Eighteen and we just saw her most recently on the amazing race. Amazing race thirty one of the Reality Star Amazing Race where her in Victor had a another deep run but. Chapelle. Let's. Start with you real quick could tell listeners a little bit about yourself. Yeah so I've been listening to big brother. Tube. So Day One, we just now that I one of. I watched all the way through every season including nine. I think. And here I am now to talk about big brother I'm very excited longtime listener the podcast among a patron at this point but. Very important for me to make a bunch of light rain and so I was excited to get to talk about. because. There's not a lot of people to talk about with. Thank you. It's. An honor to be included in that list Chapelle. It's now five or six people three hundred. Okay. She will do you have strong feelings about Nicole France Oh. No I think my strong feeling that people should not have really really strong feelings about I think the low like this. This love that they have this prohibit they offer is not warranted. She's done anything evil. I mean aside from targeting our Queen Devan Devan I stand like everyone else but I don't think either I might have missed them. But the level of hatred issue. Give I don't see it but also as a winner, she's fine tearing I feel like that Nicole from Big Brother Sixteen I think is like from the part that we met her at in her starter that season I've become like a different character than we saw in her reality TV infancy. Very much. So she was a fan favourite on her original seasons was why they brought her back I believe she was in like second or third place on the America's favorite vote. Donny won pretty handily but. Can People liked her a lot? She was the her character was this kind of cute showman's she was one of the only people to be onto Derek at any time during that season. People left the season feeling like she had more potential that low is left unrealized and then she came back And people did not like seeing her fulfill that potential. Yeah. Mill I also part of her story early on was. Wasn't it that she? Needed to have things explained to her and she like didn't know like lots of like common like a well known piece of information. I don't really remember that. Thing up I duNno. Tearing off to ask You A. Feeling like. A like a Jordan Lloyd. Part of her character in her first season. There I'm sure I'm sure there was. There's always an element of that with Nicole. Later talking about like things like talking about our hometown the she has moments like that but but not like strictly Jordan. I think that is what they were trying to paint her as though she's just this little girl from like I'll be Michigan she was. Twenty one years old her first season which I often forget and yeah, she's just like the trope of like I don't know how to do anything helped me and she played into it for sure that they know. They know what? Chapelle. Do you have any memories of the early days of Nicole in Big Brother Sixteen? No. I really wasn't that number. I. Think she was like most people that season with upon of Derek's. She got an alliance with Hayden. So Mad. She linked over Christine. Another one of our favorites. and. I think that's pretty much wishing was known for she want Joe Ages. Loss of because about little blocks bemoaned a couple of times but no ice and she wasn't. Eric and people were rooting for our to you like you know usurp serve the you know the king at the time and so we all love to. And then when she became Queen hitter. Yeah. It's interesting because she she really was. The force in the House that that could have been the opposition to Derek Machine. You won the co- H., O. H. with him in week three, and he basically had just spent the entirety of week to establishing dominance over the house. And he did he tried to do the same thing to Nicole as co Hoa Jr and she saw through it. She was like I don't trust this guy hate and I don't think we should work with him I think he's dangerous and they they they were into that unfortunately for them Derek is going to retain control of the H. Wage. Because he he was able to get Caleb. To throw the competition for him. But I, she really was skeptical of Derek in his early portion of the game unfortunately for her our other two closest allies beyond Hayden. WER- Christine. In Cody. who both ultimately work hard to make sure that Derek is vouched for, and then Derek is able to sort of weasel his way in and and get them into the place that he needs to be. Your big part of the early going for Nicole in that season chapell mentioned with Hayden. Hayden Voss. Four people not hate in Moss. That's a different guy who I guess hypothetically I guess we could see on Wednesday night but I don't not sure at this point time if he's still in the mix but hate in Voss was her showmances in that particular season. Chapell. Do you have any thoughts on the Nicole and hate in Romance? It's over Think about. You know in a second season she goes on to to find another one of those. Yeah. So Get together to late. A longtime didn't have like pester her for weeks and weeks. Zuma Hayden or Corey Yeah. Yes. All of the above. No Yeah Hayden was was very much Lake Lake looking for looking for a kiss looking for. And it didn't have. It was like a very, very like middle school. I don't think she wanted to be one of the people who were seeing like being intimate camera at least not that season. Sixteen. So all right. Taryn if I recall a memory serves me I feel like a, there's a point ultimately where. Things are things are looking pretty good for Hayden and Nicole but there's GonNa be a last minute slip. which is going to ultimately. Right. Before I think it's a is right before the double eviction that's going to ultimately do in Hayden, when the House is GonNa Flip to save Zach at the last minute. Yes and people forget how close they were to nailing that and being essentially replacing the the the detonators. In terms of leg wear Derek cody were leaning is. Nicole had won the Hoa Age and and she was going to target. Zach here. And, the idea was. Giacosa is is the Pawn Zach is the target and she and Hayden had convinced Eric genuinely to take out Zach who was a pretty valuable piece on his board at the time. and. He was willing to take that hit in order to please. Nicole and Hayden and not have to expose himself to them. Where in with Joe Kosta was not a fan of Derek it was this was not a great like outcome for him, but he was almost there until last minute caleb of all people talk to him but the value, the value of loyalty and how like you don't want to get rid of one of your own pieces in Derek like you know what like you're right man like I I I have to flip this eclipse to keep sack. Nicole in havener blindsided, we had strayed into the double eviction where Hayden get sent packing and just like that, their game is over. Yeah Mel. This was one of like the. Great like Wednesday night the house is locked to flipping by the eviction on Thursday. This. I remember this vividly Chapelle because I had done like a whole eulogy for Zach Ranch on the podcast because we love Jack Ransom grants was so much fun. It'd be sixteen. Yes. You could use that for sure. Yeah. I just watched his talking through fruit loops that everyone. He was good I mean nobody was a no doubt all-star star more than he was before I. I. Mean I. Look how to like a screw up your opportunity with CBS. He is the poster child for that because. He could have gone on to do anything he wanted on any of these CBS shells and he really wasted an opportunity. Not to go off the. Coal. In. Your. Calls. The reason that Zach is an on this season. Yeah. We should have. Yeah. Okay. All right so Hayden ends up. Going out and then the call is GonNa. Be following him out the door pretty quickly. Is there anything worth mentioning about her first fiction? I mean famously she had. She. Had won the wage with her closest ally left in the Game Christine. Her and Christine is co O. Ages that should be the safest place for. And she gets dethroned and Christine ends up back during her and sending her out the door. Again. This is a very funny situation for me at least because Nicole is in this season seen as like the person that is trying to work with the women. You know she she was. If you remember L. Quattro. What was the thing way back at the start of the season? He's trying to work with Christine and Christine is the one that people are criticizing four. Like just like rolling over for the men and she hates women and she's targeting women. In important a WHO would like to work with women is getting screwed over by Christine who only wants to work with the guys. And this is a great example of people hated Christine this week for turning on Nicole. Fan Favorite Nicole. Can't turn. Yeah Okay Nicole is going to go out but wait that somebody is going to get a chance to come back. We're GONNA do a buyback with people I. Think it was was was was Zach was this like that big brother of He's still in the house was it was awesome though Kosta And I don't know who the other person. I think it was exactly the fourth Oh. Okay. He didn't get addicted and he thought he had an and then he had he was in the he was the fourth person. Think so because it wasn't amber. Right, right right okay. So yeah, Chapelle do you remember this when they ended up having the live competition to bring somebody back in Big Brother Sixteen? Yeah I remember I remember We were dangerously close to Kost coming back. Nicole Inter out in I was devastated I was hoping to see more. Obviously route of that, that was one point of Nicole's transit transgressions against me I've never been able to forgive her. Yeah. We could almost had Kosta come back and big brother eighteen then and marcus could cost to come back in a BB. To be a two-time winner but you know we'll never know we'll never know calls fall. Okay Mel Nicole here she's back in the mix. She's not immediately eliminated like I. Feel like that Derek. TR- at least. has some use for her in the short term. That is trying to turn her against Donnie. Will she comes back in and connects with Danni again right away and he wants to work with her where she really screws up here is I don't remember how soon after she got back in the House but she tells Derek that he reminds her of dangling and at that point it was done there was as soon as he says, she said that. He was on the top of her she was on the top of his list. Sorry and they made an especially big deal of this on the show. She was she was at the bottom anyway. Like it was it was a moment where because she had been in the jury house talking to Hayden. Terrace cruise over. Wait a minute. Derek has been behind everything like she came back in with that knowledge. And tried to work with Donny who also seen it and couldn't do anything about it. And she was just she was just flounder. She had no. She couldn't find any purchase anywhere except for Derek Derek was the only one who would pretend to even work with her, and so it was a very weird situation and they did make a big deal of that moment on this show but it was a lot funnier than it was a really meaningful or impactful. That's so interesting to have. Nicole Derek Dan. All all involved with this and had those. Never be connected in any way ever again. No she holds no graduates for this moment whatsoever she'd never said their names on more her life. Yeah. Okay. All right. That's about it for. Nicole BB sixteen. Does she vote for Derek in the end. Yeah, okay right vote for Derek. Sent comp record in this game I mean, it's it's not quite accurate because the head battle of the block, but she won a couple of those. She won the battles and the H. Wages and the buy back. As part of that competition was. chapelle anything else to add about sixteen call. No big when she went out, it was kind of like you know she was the person we love like I said my parents third third-place America's favorite of vote voted for dairy. So she voted correctly, we all support that and then we thought that she would go off into obscurity ask someone who wants yes I think she learns a lot from Derek this season as well. When she comes back for a season eighteen, she has taken a lot of lessons from having played with Derek right I remember saying that she didn't even talk to Larry before. Though. It was basically like you know her her just from what she saw and what she learned while being the House with. She said, she didn't watch season. would be a lot from her being in the room with their seemed to pick up. A lot of good knowledge is she went on to use in eighteen win I believe she said that in the preseason she did not talk to anyone even Derek who asked her she lied to him. because. She did not trust him in the preseason and I wonder. How relevant that is to our current situation Could have trusted him but you know he rides served Dan. geeze links. Yes. All right. So calls going to be back here in big brother eighteen as one of the four captains here in this season, with Dave van Frank and James from big brother seventeen. She's going to captain the freakazoids with the Great Glenn Tiffany, Rousseau, and Corrie. Brooks. Legis champions right there. I remember, did they draft these teams? Yeah it wasn't like a random draw. Okay. The freakazoids would go into the I like elimination. Ship, it was a weird twist where one person was GONNA get eliminated from this group but then one of the remaining people was going to get to be the H. O. H.. It was something like that and she had to, she had to compete and like a coconut ws. I say. With. Barely escaped the nation. and. Oldest and you've found that he would have been h had had things worked out and you know. Seconds difference in a Glenn going to win eighteen year will corey would have been the person that was between Glen and Corey would have been much different season if. Glenn stays. and. Corey goes. But ultimately. We're going to see in the beginning of the season that Nicole is you know she she ends up putting up Pala California on the block in the first week as one of the initial. This is one of those weird seasons. With three nominees but we've come to learn that it's because she wanted to pre-game with Derek but it seems like at least there was some comfort level with the canopy or brothers. I think he ran into poly. In. But if I remember correctly again, it's been a while but I think Paulie kind of she kind of course them volunteer into going on a block. Yes because he felt like he knew cody and so he'd be safe and that might be one of you know that's gotta like a pattern in the game in eighteen a lot of time she had holly or other people kind of all of to do her dirty work or and I think it worked out well. Okay. Nicole is involved in a lot of different alliances in the early going here in Beebe Eighteen Taryn it's she's a person that it seems like a lot of people were willing to work with this season. Yes she had an alliance with the vets she had an alliance called the eight-pack which was the vets plus. Some of the new players. She eventually is going to get involved in the fatal five, which is another attempt at an all female alliance. that they VAUGHN is a part of. That's not going to work out super well and then eventually she's going to settle in with. You know this kind of hybrid of the what what we call the showman's Alliance of her inquiry polly ends Akia. That was also attached to I. Think they call themselves the executives it was like. polly in Paul in. Coriander. and. Yes. There's somebody. Like some of the guys. Chapelle at that time in like around the middle of this game. People said that is Paula cal theory playing one of the best. Games of all time people felt like that at the point where. Frank in Devan, we're going out of the game. Those big targets were gone and Paulie was the person that was going to run away with this. He was the new Derek. He he he was definitely the new sub think of and he gets he gets a lot of credit as he has. He deserved at the time I remember thinking they're. Running. Away with it I. Think we come to find out you know being the head of the snake is great you. Talked off in the body of the snake Nicole. Comes in and. Scoops up remains, and so that's what we saw there after the hospital on. On Poly Nicole has recover from that, and then see continues to kind of make our way to Dan Yeah I. Feel like this news of pelley being a great player came right before he cried baking pies at that rate. Was No Lotta. Times. With these people like they're great when they're out in front and then it all came crumbling down when they revealed everything to come after him. It really was and it's something that we talked about was that he was in such a great position and he clearly had the ability to play well, but he couldn't put a lid on himself. He just he as soon as he got social capital, he spent it immediately and Nicole talks about this that she was like I. Love polly he's spending all of his social capital on me essentially like this is benefiting me and I get to just sit here and let him do all of this stuff and it benefits me and it makes him such a big target like this is amazing. Yeah I definitely think that's a good mark of Nichols game too. If she has polly from wheat wind basically do I forbidding and she For. Some reason has corey doing his well like she's able to kind of insulate herself with these big guys I. Know We talked about her trying to work with the the women in our last game but finding a bunch of strong nails to go out and competitions and to have the fight with the rest of how she was able to just kind of lay back and do nothing essentially. From the fans standpoint. and. Reap the benefits of everybody else you. I think that was a really good move on our part. How does she pivot from poly being persona non grata everybody hates polly everybody's excited that he goes he ends up going out on a five zero vote. How does she survived that ultimately get to this position where she wins the game at the end? I think the answer to that is cory she switches her meet shield instead of using a meat shield it's police uses it as corey she just continues to lay low she has all of her alliances. Paulie was the the main meat shield, but she still set up so well with everyone else she has the remains of the eight-pack. She has this showman's Alliance and yeah, she's just able to be the top target on anyone's list. The thing that happens is that it's Poly. GETS, flipped. On and loses. Bites but there's still a lot of the Meat Shield still exists like the House has flipped but now like. And Corey stand in the way. Wins Nature wage which helps delay the inevitable. Finally they're able to get rid of poly but by then now because because again I, there's this myth that all Nicole did was lay in bed with corey all season long, which is just it's very, not true because she was very, very active. In the early portion of the season. And she retained a lot of those relationships out of the work that she did and so by the time polly is gone, she's able to use those relationships even ones that have been burned already like James Flipping on them. She's able to rekindle that relationship with James and use it to manipulate him and threw him Natalie. And flip things back around so that she is able to pull in the other payers in the in the in the final endgame portion of the game and flip around on you know Paul and Victor and then on Natalie and James until she kinda rides in the perfectly position a spot to take on the winter. Yeah I think that's good to know if you think about all the people who she had in front of. There was frank and Paulie and cody and James, and all of these men were just shooting southern the for left and right to make Nicole path easier and so you're right and once they what's all he was gone and she was able to flip look the house back. You know she convinces Natalie and James to go against their own best interest to help her. And then she lifts them again you know. So I think he did a really good job of doing that I think I don't think the tragedy has been a US any better in big brother at least her defining moments is really that the back section of the season where. You know we have a situation where she you know Natalie has the H. Wage Michelle is a co H wage and they end up to Michelle ends of nominating Corey. Instead of her they sending Victor Home instead of one of them then she's able to go into the final seven with to. Buy intake intakes out Michelle who is the person who is gunning for her the most Michelle took it. Is took very well right jury management on Michelle, but take Michelle was the perfect. Position to do that because she then goes into the final six with two other payers, which again, she's able to manipulate Paul. Victor into going after Natalie and James, and then. It's there. Were there was just. Moments where like this shouldn't have happened like it was Paul and Victor with Natalie James. They had flipped it on poly they were the established group, but Nicole had managed to slide in there and and really play them off of each other until all the way until then yeah, it's a really great endgame that season with those three pairs that's one of the. Big Brother eighteen gets a bad rap for being not to degrade season but that endgame where we get down to the final six with a three pairs that was very, very exciting to see how that all played out in the real time ultimately. It's going to get down to a Paul with. Nicole after Corey goes out at the at the final four. Did she cultivate a relationship with Paul to get Paul to take her to the end in that game. Completely. See completely disregards James like the last two weeks of the house like she just doesn't talk to him at all G. Focuses all on. On making sure that Paul will take to the end just showing the Lord's. was Um with James or weeks. Ever since the W vixen I think he's just been he's been dead our and he doesn't know it and so he's running around like spinning you know different stories and trying to make it to the end. She really just spoke Paul and I think it paid off because I think Paul of course could have beaten James. Paul picking the coal might have been definitely was the detriment because he goes on to try. And something else that helps. There is Nicole has corey talked to pollens Nicole can't win oh. Yeah. The jury doesn't like her all that stuff and I think really makes a big decision a factor in his decision to take her to the end. Did she direct quarterback? Yes and. Honestly. Some of the best work that I've seen and I am astonished that people don't do this more often because they often do have loyal allies with them in the end game but she sits corey down when it's clear that he's going and she instructs him on what to say to the jury about her game for to say to Paul about her game. And it all works like Corey has the social capital to get these things done and her directing him to do it killing. It definitely helps convinced Paul to take her definitely helps convince some of the jury members to vote for her. It's it's great work that more people should do something the Paris did in the six to. Degrade effect. And we? Want to see it more often. It's it's clearly very effective. How was she in the final two? In this season she wins five to four I don't remember ultimately. House she held up with the jury questioning was was she that was Paul bad? I think a mixture of both I think Paul. Any favors whenever asked about his game. He was like I'm crazy I had a good time. I'm never. And Yeah never cared is all that stuff. I think the jury really wanted him to own up to some of the meanings he had said about some of the women share. and. Take credit moves, and I don't think Paul knew the game well enough to know exactly like how to. Articulate articulated game whereas Nicole. She have the jury support that the that most players would like to have at that time didn't try like Duri management was not one of her concerns she's really trying to get in. And then she realized once I got an packages, articulate my game and talk about the moves I made then you know I can come out on top and I think that's what she was able to do. So I think a mixture hall being not so great in the final questioning Nicole, and a step ended up at the time when she needed to. Nicole coming back as a winner for big brother at do you think that she's regarded as a very dangerous player forget all the outside relationships. Do you think that people are looking at her as a threat based on her being the winner of this season? I think it depends at what point they remember her legacy gone through phases where at first Nicole wine and it's like all Paul should've wind was was a lot of people's opinions. She didn't do anything like we talked about before she just latte around with Corey and now there's kind of this backswing of wait a minute she's done all this stuff she had agreed social game and it kind of I feel like it self-correcting and that people give too much praise and it Kinda gets style back a little bit. So it it depends on. What they think of her basically, it could go either way. She could be this huge social threat who she was the first woman to beat a man and final to She has a comp record granted. That's different now that there's more physical comps. But she could be regarded as a huge threat or she could be remembered as the girl that lied around with showmances on both the for seasons. Okay. Now interestingly, she ends up with a different big brother contestant she's going to ultimately fall in love with Victor They'd run the amazing race together I'm not sure if it's worth revisiting Victor and Nicole on the amazing race but if we certainly can. Importantly, they make some enemies on the big brother amazing race in particular Rachel and her sister Eliza. But I don't think that they did a great job with the other members of the race either. Yes. Do. You feel like that. There is some smoke between her journal. There, could I mean I think they were fine on the amazing race from what I remember but but like if John L. has any kind of relationship with Rachel Elissa then like that's not great sir. I think that's the important part of it I. I don't know necessarily does any relationship between And Nicole that's a problem. But if anybody, then this cast is close with. either. The Riley sisters that I positive that they got an earful Nicole coming into this season. Yeah and I'm sure people were calling Rachel and Melissa are you on the season? What are you? What are you hearing and? It. Would not surprise me if if a learned about the snakes snake coal. So we saw in celebrity big brother that Taymor and candy even though they didn't get along so great and the outside world once they came in able to work together because they had that relationship. Even if it wasn't the most positive one, you think we could see something like this with Janelle and Nicole or because there's so many good relationships this one, it won't be important. I. Think that Nicole might try to go to journal I think that she will try to go to some people I. You know, I think that we what we need to get into is the rumors surrounding Nicole in the pre-game, it seems like take it away their alarm. Let Me Open Up my twenty page document of all of. This. This is where we have to talk about like It's. Nicole's fault. So. Initially, there was a rumor that Nicole was didn't get a call for all stars was very upset and so she called production and complained to them until they castor on the season. Then houses word for these shows is that. On. China. Lobby to that or rob you tell us. Make some calls. Eventually people start. Yourself Rob. Eventually people started saying that. That Nicole was involved in some pre-game group chats with Dan and Derek and she ratted them out to production and production went Dan and Derek. You guys are playing the game in lying to us. We would never think that you would do that. How dare you do this pre gaming? You are now no longer allowed on. Our All star cast we do not want you. Listen, call thank you so much Jerick that do you realize what this is big brother do you realize the integrity we have on show come on no gaming you're out of here. Did Nicole get immunity or something so she was part of the pre gaming but because she snatched she's good invited on or she complained so. Much line. I believe is the whistle blower act is what it's called. Go ahead and as long as you are the ones. You're good. So. That's that's another example of Nicole, and this is cut tally. She s she has taken people out left and right before the arts. But there were rumors that people did get in trouble for a for pre gaming to some degree And those were out there before this Nicole stuff came around and again there was this other rheumatic Nicole called production and complained about not being on the season. It seems like there's potentially something here unless there's a really bad actor just out there creating these fake stories all the time about Nicole, which honestly wouldn't be that surprising but at the very least. there. Seems to be some amount of credibility to something that Nicole. Is doing out there. Derek. Did make tweet where he said that he he was not happy with Nicole in the lead up to two all stars he he made sure to clarify that it did not have anything to do with these specific rumor regarding him and Dan being on the season a separate incident but it seems as though Nicole, has been messy at the very least in the pre game and could easily end up heading into the season with a pretty big target on her back. Okay. All right Chapelle, what do we make this a? Derek, what is that about? Like you see everybody is like speculating and then you're like, yeah, I'm Nicola out. Think is. We live near a lot. He's a copies of family man but that. Low Messy. Massey. Monday could. Go on instagram live to say I like I'm sorry it was it was ill advised of me to to put it in that context I shouldn't have done it. Right via. Who? WHO DEREK THIS Conversation that I have with my wife where I ask her are you are you mad at me for the thing that I said before is like, no I'm not mad at you for what you said before. Okay. All right. So it's not it's not that we're getting close to. Something something, right right. Okay. Derrick did nothing to people off of Nicole back nothing at all. But Mel do you think that this might mean that there is? A little bit of a problem with Derek's right hand man a cody California and the call could cody very running for Nicole. Very possible. It's hard to say whether this is due to her like she was trying to pre-game and did something wrong or Derek didn't like it and then. And then is kind of upset about it. So I, guess it matters when it happened because if he's getting upset now that they're in sequester then maybe it's fine but also I would think that Nicole, we try to be pre gaming with them like she played with cody and she knows their clothes. So I. I don't know it very well could be. It seems like a natural connection in the Derek would help grease the wheels there. But if Nicole did something wrong, then something could have gone wrong here and it could end up being a hindrance to her in especially in a spot where it might be her only life. Okay. Taryn are there any other outside game rumors to discuss here as we're talking about Nicole? Everything, under the Sun because it's so ridiculous that Nicole would have control over Dan and Derek being on the cat but is there anything else? I agree you. I think that's laughable to think that that big brother had Dan Derek in their pocket and then kick them out because allegedly that they were group chat with Nicole. I think that that is one of the most ludicrous things I've ever heard. But is there any? Is there anything else where where this smoke is coming from? Well I mean again, you know the it wasn't just that one person in fact that one person probably was taking previous rumors in putting their own spin on it trying to make people extra mad at. Nicole because it involved Dan and Derek all this. but they were out there before from a few different places it wasn't. It wasn't even just like Evil Dick like we even had share on the podcast. She heard similar things about Nicole, involved in in some messy nuts I will say. It was really weird. The Guy who was like breaking that news was like out somewhere like wearing a mask. He's like, yeah, I'm just going out to get some food right now but also breaking this story about that. The reason why Derek and Dan are on big brother is because Nicole caught them pre gaming until CBS. All right. I'm getting my lunch now by. At. A multitasker he. He's got a mask on sunglasses. An hour later that's not what happened. To all of that to be wrong. I'm curious about. So there's information that came out about the amazing race as well. There's a similar ridiculous claim that Nicole stopped like people right before the the amazing race aired from also being on that season. Okay. Stop from being on the Amazing Race Mel. I can find it would definitely lots of fan favourite leans even. Now you the list. Yeah, I. Think it was James Caleb. Were maybe a team. And, yeah. I can't remember the others but. There were a lot of comments that were like, Oh, we missed them. Okay. I'm not mad Nicole for that. All right. We we stand Nicole Yeah. I'm pretty way right wait. Wait. Yes James. WHO A prankster jeans. Cowboy. Pair what I always heard at that time was that was going to be Caleb in high and they were going to be a survivor team. I don't know who they were going to might have been an. A hole yeah. I think it like a big list of names. James and Natalie had already run run their course. By that point, I mean how much drama is one season? Brother. Between a doctor will. Leave this Nicole stuff like this. It's so much drama on the amazing Nicole. Get kicked off the amazing race hypothetically. So it's just four names they're not paired up, but it's corey. Not, cody. Andy Lena. Where the other two. So we did not get to see Elena which every single right now is devastated at this news. Who is cory going to run the amazing race with none of those four pair up together so I don't know. I think it might have been Corey James. I. Think that might have been the pair. All right. I was going to be like Corey and Clegg dinner the same person. WHO's driving in his passenger? They love two lanes on the amazing. The twin twist of Marines the new Natalie and Nadia could be corey and clay on the amazing, right? Okay. All right. Let's go. Let's talk about some of the potential allies here. We're talking so much about different feuds but WHO's here that? Could be may be willing to work with Nickel Mel. Do you see any of buddy? That is like okay. I could work with Nicole. So we have the people she played with if that means, they're more likely to work with her because we obviously have cody from being rather sixteen and amber. And then we have David from big? Brother Eighteen Bailey was on her podcast recently could be. One at a time. We talked a lot about. Dave van. Nicole. In our preview of Dave van but ambers and interesting one if she's here from Big Brother Sixteen, did they have any sort of a relationship? Not? Not. Much of one. They did not get along particularly well. Nicole was not the biggest amber fan amber again, L. Quattro was a thing. It was Nicole an amber were in that together. An amber kind of bailed on that for the bomb squad. And Nicole was not fond of like. How pretty amber was. So it was not a great relationship now. Okay. In terms of Dave Devan, we talked about David and the call a lot from David's perspective and how she would be potentially looking at a relationship with Nicole but we have any insight into how Nicole feels about Dave on. I mean nowadays I'm not sure she had a lot of trouble trusting von on big brother eighteen. They both attempted to work with each other at multiple points and they both ended up just just didn't work and what we talked about would they von is that? That paranoia can get to the can get to you I think even more. So than Dave on I, think it will get to. Nicole. I, think Nicole will go into big brother a brother twenty, two with Dave van and go. I can't I can't trust her I need. I need to go and it wasn't until day von left brother eighteen that she really got a hold of a good solid position in her game. So it wouldn't surprise me if she if she starts to go after. A day voted for Nicole's you know that might be time of a of a minute sense. We'll see. Okay. Do. We know about Nicole's views on any of these other players we talked about in Danny's Previa Danny. Denardo was at Nicole's bridal shower in the big brother, house which I was in big brother. was that twenty B B Twenty right. At the Time I think so. So a bridal shower in the Big Brother House that's the event was right white this from. was there like They're. For the engagement that rumor that they didn't know why they were. Case. There she didn't walk out as soon as she's on the call. SO THAT'S A. Plus. And if that's the case, if it was be twenty because she would have met tyler there also. So. That's something. Ironclad relationship right there. Of course, e on the cash. Right? You. Ian Ian Hypothetically that a lot of really nice things about Nicole. During her first season, he was the ridden Nicole Stan He Bailey like completely disavow our relationship with Hayden. He said it was never going to work and that they were meant to be. I'm sure much to his chagrin. Corey. which yeah which I think again, he was writing about that Ian was right and now he's with victory so. I think I think this is a chance to put into the test like how bad the one is in Nicole is Mary. you know. Ian Are you willing to make? Could we seem to call out here doing the things and are you willing to make? Again and just claim that no relationship in the big rather has is gonNA work. I'm going to be right like ninety five percent of the time I think IAN is, is one of the more likely people that she could work with the the only problem is, did she get him kicked off of the Amazing Race Yeah. I. Think that his problem more was that I, feel like the the people that they wanted him to race with I think that were a little wishy washy in terms of whether they wanted to agree to I think he was up for and who was who was at fault for that who was calling his potential partners in saying you'd better not go on I don't want to get on the amazing race. Can I say that I'm GonNa make a prediction here that I think that somebody that Nicole France is going to target I predict that Nicole France is going to target Nicole Anthony. the name she wants to be the last one gonNA WANNA Nicole. Or for just frenzy the Nicole that sucks. Want that she's not GonNa want that. Could speak from experience. I was the victim of that once upon a time that the ample don't like to. Have the same name in your class. You don't want that. She's like wait no I'm on the Nicole I'm the call here I don't WanNa be Nicole. F. All. The time. And Nicole Anthony's very very like very like to nickel one point zero and a lot of ways at least as far as the TV character goes. Model F might be to caddy. For Nicole a I can see that right I mean what I'm saying is that I think that like Nicole Anthony is essentially like the TV character version of what Nicole used to be in big brother sixteen. And you know who knows. There's you know there might be a little bit of resentment a little bit of like I'm the Nicole. Yeah Of course. Yeah. Okay. All right pick the pick your Nicole. Do we think that Nicole could make her. Meet Shield strategy that she worked out. So well in big brother eighteen, it doesn't necessarily need to be a romantic connection as she was able to have Paulie California? Out. In front of her for the first half of eighteen, do we think that she'll be able to make that work potentially in big brother all stars? No I don't I think t on her head. If all of these rumors are true, they're coming in and they're gunning for Nicole everyone's going to put. On, demand. So and she's going to be the the the person who everyone is gunning for I think that if she is going to be able to use the Michio. I think the people who don't want to work with it right like genucel. Allegedly doesn't want to work with her. I think are. Going to be on the season, we know the case it'd probably only seen the season like his seasons. So genera gets in his ear maybe WANNA work with. Tyler is a super. He might, WanNa work with her but I don't know tyler. For because everyone's recently seeing tyler run game. So I don't know if that's going to work I. think she and. coldplay without a showman. Oh I don't know she can do that. I think she needs to round up Ian and Tyler and maybe even drive or journal and say Look Ian were winners Tyler Janelle were big guys are big names big threads like we need to stick together. We are the lions of the season. Know like each other or not. We need each other in this game. That's essentially what she did with the vets of big brother eighteen in held for long enough get reporting elsewhere I. think she should try it. It might give her enough runway to lift something off. I'M GONNA make a prediction about Nicole, F here that I think that ever GonNa come to this House and she's GonNa be a big target people are going to be gunning for her she does going to make her very sad. She ends up being a big underdog in the house and. What do the Big Brother Fans love more than anything an underdog I think. Dog. Yes. I think she or under cat for big brother. I think she ends up. At work wherever she finishes I think she ended up leaving the season. Much more popular than she is going into the season and I think she's experience. When she had to dress up in that cat costs you and. The, the final H. Challenge are believed. The term is under snake under sir. Yes but but yeah, no I. Agree of the only way she doesn't redeem herself in the fan base is this year is if she wins and issued leads the House with an iron fist and she is the princess that was promised. Then we all she does that but she's the underdog somehow defeated and narrowly misses the win. It will stand Nicole once again. Yeah Anthony should be worried. She's always been the kind of like hated player where people hate her for reasons that like they don't hey plenty of other people they just didn't like. season. Right and and so a like definitely the kind of player in a new context. She could once again be very liked, and in fact, the fact that she was so hated for reasons that weren't that Jerry from survivor. Australian outback. Where it's Wait we hated her oh that that was that was too much Look at her now she's not that bad. And in fact, it's actually now cool to like her because of how unfairly hated she was I feel like we're almost there already. She can only screw it up from this point forward. Yeah. I would buy some Nicole France will stock I. Think it's going to be on the rise in the FANDOM. I think it's people. Cheap. Yeah they love they love to. Talk about how she ruined everything. So I think that she is probably more popular than she realizes. We'll see we call this. We could say it might be a little bit autism involved in Nicole. Hate you know just a just a just a teeny bit sexism. Because you know like we say we. We've seen her run the game and you know I think. God that backlash I don't think anybody was complaining about Corey laying around. But say coal. She who must not be named. We just couldn't them Happen. I think she's similar tyler in that sense where he set himself up very well, and then near the end of the season, he's able to just hang out with Angela, and obviously he worked or more of the season and he did a little bit more than she did but they both got to a point where they were comfortable and they were able to just relax and tyler definitely doesn't get that much criticism. All right. Let's talk predictions for Nicole Three Point Oh here on big brother. Chapelle. Where is Nicole GonNa land? If all these room was a truancy. Really great is then she's not making the jury. He could look like a very enticing person the tape to the end because I mean who would vote for the person who before the game got really Dan and Eric and ruined the amazing race for seventeen other players and destroyed. Several relationships in the mix she has production and pocket matter of fact. She, not win this season. WHO's the saying the coal doesn't just call her favor and take it all the way to the end I think the sky's the limit. when all this year. We'll see what happens but I pretty sure. She could either go first or or win the game. Plays my bed on either end of the spectrum I guess the question Middle What did Casey or Josh Dudin Call. Cook. Gave Them Kobe I don't know we don't else. Just. Wait. On. Julie's going to say. By a vote of twelve two, zero Nicole you have been hey, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. No no no no. No. Did. You know that half of those votes pre gaming here's can you just check my phone I know I gave it to you ahead of time for just this purpose. Yeah. That's what I thought. Cancel those votes please. Get rid of them. Evictions canceled. Let's let's roll it. May You guys you know the competition to run right? Right? I mean. I wouldn't. I wouldn't America's going to riot when the gets halted Hicks. We still don't have week one feeds Nicole needs them down to be able to get everything set up the way she wants we can't see that The night. Yeah I think the call is probably going to be. An early target I think that she is probably going to be one of the people who is endanger early on. However I think that if she manages to survive that could work to her benefit, and if she survives long enough for the bigger forces in the house to start to go to war than she could go into snake whole mode and slither her way through the game as people underestimate her actual big brother playing ability and that could be her way forward. So I do see a an early exit. Or late a potential late game run for her if she's able to survive. Mel You want to plant your flag on a prediction. Sure I'll go opposite then I'll say she'll make it probably right in the middle I. can see a lot of names we got the Kevin's David I guess he is connected but Kisha like people that don't have all of these people in the House with them. So yes, she's going to be this big threat, but there's also going to be these so unknowns and they're big names and it could be just So easy. So we can get Nicole anytime like everyone knows how sneaky Nicole is. Let's see her for a couple rounds. Let's get one of these people that I don't know what they're gonNa do if they win at least Nicole we can try and work with her and and make some speak pleasantries and maybe get through the week so I can see her going let's say right pre jury or early jury. I'll be the lowest on her I'll predict that she's out of first or second I. think that the fact that she won is an easy reason to put her on the block if you're one of the early ages like Nicole nothing personal, but you're a winner and so you know this one of us has to have a chance this time. So it's an easy way to be able to target her without making it that personal and also she's like a really good like consensus person that like a lot of bill. Yeah I don't care if not I'll go. So I think that be an easy person. For an easy win for early H.. H. If she weighed the I h I wonder if she could use that time to like to kind of get in people's ears say you know I didn't do anything to win. I just laid around all day and maybe if she at first the first week of safeties you can. They'll start to believe it. Later on. In. The House to save her you know she's just sitting duck, and so they'll come back to her later. Maybe that's our best move. Hey, eighteen that was the plan. She was one, the first one, the game. So maybe she can Lightning can strike twice. Okay. All right. Anything else you want to add about Nicole No I'm excited to see her play. I'm not. I would rather see people played twice where it's going to be her third time she started so young. So it's been kind of interesting to see so she would have been twenty four last time she played now she's twenty eight So I'm interested to see Nicole three point Oh no show mance a lot more experience under her belt multiple TV shows. and. See if she can pull it out with this huge target on her back I'll be really impressive. She does. Okay. Chapelle any final Nicole thoughts. If Nicole win this season. She is the greatest. Brother player. Already does based off of the pre-game alone. Top reiterates big players of all time. But if she wins this season like we have to sit down and talk about Nicole as an icon. As a Queen as the devil as all of those things because he's earned it. So I would like to see McCall win just because I think that would be great I ain't GonNa. Be Fun to listen to she's everything but I'm rooting for yeah. Okay. Taryn, Nicole Frenzel life feeds. This would be your your first season of life feeds with Nicole as a live feed, a daily update or. Yes It I'll be very interesting. I'll get to track all of the places that she's slithers to. It'll be great We'll get to to see you know who who she is calling from production It'll be interesting it'll be fun. Okay. All right. This is a lot of fun to go through everything with Nicole Mel where people see more about what you're doing. You can find me on twitter Mel. Hulst. Each us. Between a lot about sequester. So mute that if you don't like it for big brother or sweet love salad. I also love Salads that's true at me about salad. We'll have a chat. Yes. Would what do you tell people about salad? So it just has so many you really going to get me started has so many options. You can have me croutons anything you put on a bun you can put in salad and have like twice as much. It has that Chris Flavor Lettuce is just like a vehicle. Okay. Okay. All right. Good to know that I was. Curious to hear more about it. Right Chapelle besides big brother, what are some of your other passions? Big Passion. The it's definitely a passion I guess we could talk about it but this long. I I'm passionate about education. About civil rights. You can follow me on social media. But if you don't, if you don't agree they're black lives matter and I think it's a waste of time you might WanNa just following us and if you have anything negative to say about that, my block button POPs verily. So don't worry about it I that for sure but but not I like I, like a lot of TV I like a kind of laid back on that kind of thing I don't like to argue with a bunch of people like to be entertained you can make me laugh that's always so I love to talk about survivor. Things. So yeah. Hit me up. We can discuss whatever you WanNa talk about what's your handle? It's at Chapelle show on twitter. So that's C. H. A. P.? E. L. L. S. underscore as eight or W show. Some to some other guy whose name Chapelle, I don't WanNa get into that. Okay. All right. I. OLDER THAN HIM That's Why I wouldn't say older than him per se but. Russia virtually. In England he was famous yearly. You'll before he was like Chapelle Yeah I've Been Shapiro since day one. I we can share it. But I'm recording my name. Okay it's mine. All right. Well, it was really fun to have you here with us today Chapelle you as a pleasure meeting you all and of course, Taryn Armstrong Air, and where can people find you on twitter at Armstrong Taryn in twitch twitch on TV slash Attaran Armstrong. All right. Let's see how much damage Nicole France could cause in this. Big Brother Twenty two house. Hypothetically, if we see her walking in the door on Wednesday August fifth thank you so much. All right, and that's GonNa do it for us here today talking about Dave van and a call coming back from big brother eighteen to big brother twenty two I'm very excited about our next episode because we are finally going to talk about the hypothetical return. Of Tyler Crisp and that's GONNA be coming up. In our next episode we'll get into Kisha as well. Hypothetically returning to big brother look out for that one tomorrow. Hope you guys are enjoying this series as much as I am having a lot of fun going through all of this. 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