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The Chris and Joe Show: Leonard Williams Tagged, James Bradberry Signing

Big Blue View

26:28 min | 5 months ago

The Chris and Joe Show: Leonard Williams Tagged, James Bradberry Signing

"Hiring used to be hard multiple job sites stocks of resumes Confusing Review Process. But today you only have to go to one place. To get it done ziprecruiter dot com slash vox ziprecruiter skins thousands of resumes defined the people with the right skills and experiences for your job and then actively invites them to apply saving time and finding you the just right person for the job to try Ziprecruiter for free. My listeners can go to ziprecruiter dot com slash box. That's ZIPRECRUITER DOT com slash. V O x ziprecruiter dot com slash. Box ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire welcome to the Kristen Joe. Show presented you by SP nation and big blue you. I'm Joe Deleo. Joined by Chris Flom. We are here on the first day of legal tampering. Coming to you from this Monday and you'll be hearing us on Tuesday morning. Hopefully giving you the latest updates surrounding the New York giants in Free Agency. If you haven't checked twitter well go and check and see what you missed because a lot of teams have already been making some serious moves. The Texans going crazy trading away De'andre Hopkins you have the Ravens completely robbing teams on Sunday and also on Monday for some serious draft capital and some big name players that they are able to acquire light callejas Campbell and then moving Hayden hearst. In addition to the Indianapolis Colts trading for deforest Buckner. The moves are going to continue to fly off the shelves but the very first one that we get to acknowledge here on big blue view. Is the giants franchise tagging Defensive Lineman Leonard Williams now if you recall midseason before the trade deadline literally right before the trade deadline. The giants traded for Leonard Williams from the New York jets and because they have not been able to agree to terms they will franchise tag him and pay him sixteen point one to six million if they cannot reach a long term deal. If you're wondering what that number compares to other things well the chiefs Franchise Tag Chris Jones and it is about the same that he is going to be making until they can reach a long term deal with him so Chris. What are your general thoughts on Leonard Williams being tagged by the giants right now? I'd rather have Chris Jones that number. I mean who wouldn't I think we've been pretty consistent with this. I don't think either of us are particularly opposed to Leonard Williams being back with the giant but really sixteen million debt franchise tag number is just way too much even if it comes down on a long term deal this really does kind of set the market for Williams and it is probably going to be upwards of twelve million dollars a year just based on the size of the franchise tag. That is a lot for a player who has flashed but never really become a consistent producing contributor. Yeah that number right now. At sixteen is not a finite decided number it could very well change once they can continue to negotiate for those of you. That aren't really sure how these tags really work. The premise of using the franchise tag just allows the giants in this situation to have some more time to negotiate with Leonard Williams to reach a more agreed upon contract. Like you said that twelve million dollar range is probably where it's going to land. Hopefully they can get him down to a little bit more near ten and signed him to a Gaudy you're signing bonus for For if you're wondering what how well Leonard Williams did with the giants. Last year. He had a half a sack also. This is his full staff from last year of forty six tackles and then also to tackles for loss so not really a stat sheet stuffer more of a Guy. That's going to really draw attention and take attention away from your pass. Rushers not exactly a premier pass rusher not exactly an elite run-defender but take takes up. Space is talented but it hasn't really hit that peak or or that real potential that a lot of people were expecting him to when he was coming out of USC so if they can get them down to a little bit more near ten. I think this would be a bit of a reasonable deal if not you sign him. With the franchise tag plays under the franchise tag four sixteen million and then if they don't like what they see from him this next year after not being able to agree terms then they can let him walk and try and find his own contract and test market yet. It is also possible if things go badly that the two sides remain far apart on a deal and there's bad blood built up it is possible the giants could pull the tag Dave gettleman. Did that before he did with Josh Norman. So that is one other possible outcome for this. There have not been any rumors of this actually happening. But it's it's worth speculating. Because the forty niners just did this with the forest buckner. They could very well agreed to a deal. Or they could just keep him on the franchise tag and then try to move him so we don't know for sure if this is an intent to to fully keep him in New York or if there is still a possibility that maybe they can't agree to something like you said they can either pull the tag or there's also the opportunity for them to try and trade and move Leonard Williams just because they didn't want to lose out on that opportunity to maybe pick up some additional assets yet. This is a move it is a step. It looks like Williams will be in New York at least four this year but it is not a done deal yet. They're still negotiations. Go through. There's still different ways. This could come out yet. We don't really fully know four fact how this is going to turn itself out but if we're just going off of how things are looking. It's very likely that Leonard Williams will be staying as a New York giant but as we know from just the start of the legal tampering period. Literally anything can happen with any available player that goes in line perfectly with the Deandra Hopkins Trade to Arizona. Because I don't think anyone saw that coming from a mile away so we're gonNA keep giving you updates on that if anything does change if they reach a long term deal with Leonard Williams as we'll be providing updates on each day that things happen for the New York giants the first major signing for the giants also happened later in the day around seven. Pm that being the addition of cornerback jeans bradberry Former Carolina Panther interesting. Move here as we had been discussing. The possibility of Byron Jones becoming a New York giant. Well he's signing with the Miami Dolphins which became public immediately after this James Bradberry deal so this first contract is a three year forty five million dollar that is going down for James Bradberry. Thirty two million is expected to be guaranteed in this contract. The six foot one. Two hundred and twelve pound corner will be a veteran addition to the secondary in. We were talking before we recorded our reaction in our thoughts about this overall. It's a smart edition. Here it's a veteran corner that you're adding to a very young secondary and we had talked about extensively. The possibility of adding a veteran defensive back to just fixed and add a bit of More leadership to the secondary a younger guy. That's going to step in and compete I. It's a good simple addition. That's not as expensive as the seventeen million dollar deal deal. That Byron Jones is expected to make. Yeah and it's one. We probably should have seen coming a former Carolina Panther. He was originally drafted in the second. Round of the two thousand sixteen draft out of Sanford by by Dave gettleman. So it's a player who gettleman is very familiar with. He is a solid corner. He doesn't have the pure upside that Byron Jones has. He doesn't have that really elite athletic ceiling however he does get his hands on the football which was one of our concerns with Byron Jones. Jones only has two interceptions in his entire career. Bradberry had three interceptions last year. He also had twelve passes defense so he was able to use his length to kind of get in the end. Disrupt at the catch point. We'll have to see how the giants employ him in their defense. He is probably their cornerback. One right now they're CB one and we'll just have to see how he fits into Patrick Grams scheme but all those younger guys are to get shuffled and moved around and use to their strengths. But like you said it's pretty clear that James Bradbury will probably be the number one guy in their secondary not a very old veteran so he can stick around for further than those three years if they really like what they get out of Bradberry and he was overall pretty consistent guy with Carolina so that is the first move to the giants had made during this legal tampering period. They have been quick to already make a pretty big splash. It's not like the move. Their first move was something light simple. This was relatively big money. Spent on one of the bigger not biggest names but one of the bigger names available in in free agency so far today they have spent or will have spent whatever the correct parlance is for this legal tampering negotiating window about twenty six point seven dollars between tagging Leonard Williams with the franchise tag and the guaranteed money averaged out per year on James Bradberry. But they're both young Bradbury's only twenty six Leonard Williams. I believe about the same age. So the giants are getting keeping veterans on their roster who can really contribute through their prime. The other moved of the giants made today is that they put a second round tender on kicker Audrey Ross who had an incredible year two years ago where he was named to the all pro team in this past year. At a slight drop-off overall special teams inconsistencies in was he was impacted by that issues in injuries from road. Saas a new long snapper that came in a call and Holda towards the end of the year but this second round tender the way it works is that if the giants choose to not match an offer from another team to grow then they will receive a second round. Pick in compensation for for whatever team is trying to get Aldridge. Grosso's it's a smart move by the giants because I don't think anyone's going to be really that willing to give up a second round. Pick for a kicker albeit. Oj process has the potential to be a top five kicker in this league. No one wants to make those that kind of a trade for for a kicker yet this is really almost as good as putting a franchise tag on him just because teams are not going to be giving up a second round. Pick for kicker like you said. Al Davis isn't around any more to go after a big leg. Kicker with premium assets so. This basically guarantees that rose us. We'll be giant next year also. I believe guarantees him about three and a half million dollars so as the two sides work to workout at long term contract that also kind of set a framework at about where the giants value row sauce. I would anticipate that some type of a good longterm deal will be reached withrow sauce because it's clear that the current front office really does lie. Kim He has that potential to be a top five kicker in the league if he's consistent and everything's working around him. He proved that with that all pro year. He had two years ago. But we have to see. What's GONNA end up happening with this? Like I said though since the Roberto Aguayo second round pick by the Tampa Bay bucks. I don't think anyone is really willing to spend that kind of draft capital on a kicker so it really keeps row saas locked in and safe to remain a New York giants as he is a restricted free agent. We have some rumors that we're going to address at the very end of this show but before we get to them bringing take a very short commercial break. Hiring is difficult. You're looking for the just right candidate for your team's unique needs but knowing where to start the search can be challenging according to ziprecruiter research three out of four employers say. They're having a hard time filling open positions. If you've got a difficult role to fill no matter what industry you're in hire with Ziprecruiter and right. Now you can try Ziprecruiter for free at ZIPRECRUITER DOT com slash. Vox here's how ziprecruiter finds candidates that you can get excited about. 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He was an outside linebacker. Could play defensive end and this is coming from Ralph Archana. Who is a beat reporter for the giants? He said that the giants are interested in Jenkins as well as Kyle Van. Noy Is cheaper options for them to bring in a past Russia. Now Chris you had pointed out in an article that you wrote earlier today addressing these rumors that you broke down film on Jenkins. It's very coincidental that ended up happening. What are your what are your thoughts on? Jacobson how we might fit. If he did end up. Becoming a New York giant I like Jenkins as a rotational player. Kind of the guy you bring on in third downs Situations obvious passing situations. He does have upside. You can see that in the way his stats have tracked over less four years. He started out pretty slowly had two and a half sacks and tackles for losses first year than three sacks five tackles for loss of second year than two thousand eighteen. He took a jump seven. Stacks six tackles for loss than this year. The twenty nineteen rather eight sacks nine tackles for loss yet. He does have a good get off. He's got a good first step and he does have kind of the ability to navigate the trash. At the line of scrimmage and he does have some good place strength for a two hundred and forty five two hundred and fifty pound outside. Linebacker edge. Rusher but what does give me pause about him is a. He is stiff in the lower body ankles knees hips. He can't really bend the corner like you see the really consistently elite pass. Rushers do and he also seems really inconsistent in a lot of areas of his game and I think that kind of comes down to a mental processing for lack of a better word. Seems like he it takes him a couple of an extra be an extra two three beats sometimes to really sort out. What is going on the offensive backfield whether it whether the quarterback or the running back has the ball in play action or you know what exactly he's supposed to be doing in rpo situation to those things give me pause and that's why. I don't think he should be a starter. But if he is like your third edge rusher the guy you bring onto spell a starter or when you're faced with a third long or second long situation in you know the other team is going to be throwing. He should be good in that situation. He also does have some ability to drop into coverage drop into shallow zones maybe matchup with maybe not elite tight end but I'll say the average tight. Nfl tight end. He should be able to match up on those guys and that would help free up some things for the giants when it comes to zone blitzes now. Is he worth the numbers? We've kind of heard bandied about forum. I those gave me pause. You're referencing the fact that art stapleton is saying on twitter that the number he's hearing that Jenkins could sign four and thirteen million. So that's about the same that Leonard Williams is going to be being paid once. He agrees to a long-term like we said earlier on in the show if that is the rotational guy that you're getting and you're paying him thirteen million while that is not a good contract. We don't know entirely for sure. If that is entirely valid what he might be signed for hypothetically he could be signed for cheaper for a better deal but if he is brought in as rotational piece like you said I think that is a nice asset to have however paying him premier money is probably not in the market for the giants when they probably be better off taking someone like Kyle Van Noy and then the final thing that has been circulating which is obviously the most expensive option is today's on Clowney Art Stapleton also tweeted that he is hearing from one team. They fully believe that the giants are legitimate contenders to sign Judean. Cloudy now the numbers we've discussed for a while. Now is about twenty million dollars to bring in Judy cloudy. So it is understandable. Hearing some of these lower down the list edge rushers could be signed for cheaper thirteen million though I will still say is not that cheap for guys that are towards the middle of the pack for the edge rusher position. Yeah if the giants are going to be giving sixteen million dollars this year to Leonard Williams I could really understand them not wanting to pony up twenty million per up basically one hundred million dollar contract if it goes over five years to Judean cloudy especially if that number winds up growing if they happen to get into a bidding war for him. I could absolutely see them. Go for somebody. Like Calvin Roy. Who spoke project said a little over eight million dollars per year although if Jordan Jenkins his looking at thirteen maybe that number is a little conservative for van. Noy that's what happens in free agency guys expect to not beginning much money whine of getting paid as I mean. We just saw the Miami. Dolphins agreed to a contract with Eric. Flowers that could average ten million dollars a year. Basically what the giants are paying Kevin Zeitler. So free agency is expensive to we kind of have to take these numbers with a grain of salt and realized pretty much everybody's going to be overpaying but still yet to make moves to bring in these guys it is really GonNa take some serious money if they if they really are if they are really hung up on trying to get a certain player and they think they fit perfectly with your scheme if there are other teams vying for that you are going to have to put out a little bit more money. So maybe if the giants don't get cloudy they really think that Jenkins is GonNa be their guy and it's going to work perfectly in this defense if they use him the right way. Well then they're gonNA probably be willing to spend that thirteen million dollars that's why to the giants for an office. It doesn't sound too ridiculous to them in a might sound ridiculous to you as a fan. Final thing that we want to talk about here that has just become official per annum. Schefter that very important to touch on because we have constantly pushed and talked about this guy and hoping that he becomes a New York giant because the giants have had so many issues along their offense of line and needed a veteran guy to step in. And so Adam. Schefter tweeted the Jack Cochran of the Tennessee. Titans has agreed to a three three year. Deal WITH THE CLEVELAND. Browns for forty two million thirty million fully guaranteed per Rosenhaus. Sports drew Rosenhaus. So that is another guy that is already off the market before the official signing period has even started legal. Tampering has been in full swing are popping off the shelves and Jack Conklin and also Anthony. Costanzo is also off the market. So there's very very limited options right now for the giants to resolve any offense of line issues yet. I think right now. Maybe we should be looking at like Brian. Blaga likely formerly of the Green Bay. Packers Graham Glasgow. I haven't seen that. He has agreed in principle to a deal with anyone yet. Interior Offensive Lineman Center F- formerly of the Detroit Lions. I'd also like to mention one thing before we go like the things are happening fast. Like the Jack Conklin News. Little literally dropped as we were recording. Make sure to check your sources folks. There are a lot of people out here. Tweeting things really just to create chaos. There's a lot of fake accounts. Check your handles. Check your ads and try not to pass along anything that you can't verify would say this applies to pretty much all areas of life. Check your sources. Make sure what you're passing long is real good solid information. Don't get suckered by somebody pretending to be Adam schefter. Yeah there's a reason why. Twitter has the Verification Badge. Always check whenever you see something twitter in your time line. That was re tweeted by someone who might have been not paying attention. Fully Click on that account always double. Check your sources before you decide to believe that it is one hundred percent correct. People will change their names their avatars. They will even add emojis to the very end of their names. So an appears that that verification badge is legitimate than you might not notice it. Because you don't look too closely. We've all been caught at first but you always have to check and double check and verify that is the correct and right source so there's going to be a ton of stuff that's going to happen over the next week. We are going to be here to cover all of that for you. Every single day that there are moves made by the giants and additions to the team. We will be giving you a breakdown at the salary and also how that player might fit with the giants and how the lineup with team in New York. Make sure to stay tuned in checkout. Whatever other stuff. We're going to be giving you the rest of this week. Also be sure to rate subscribe wherever you're listening to US and follow us on social media at Big Blue View. You can follow me at Joe De Leon you Chris at Raptor indicate. I stick around and wait during the week as we continue to break things down for the moves made by the new giants baseball fans. There's a brand new podcast. Over on Pinstripe Allie of ESPY NATION. 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Bootleg with Mina Kimes (Ep. 3)

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

1:19:25 hr | 1 year ago

Bootleg with Mina Kimes (Ep. 3)

"Hey, it's Mike Ryan from the Dan lebatardshow and my friend. Meantime, she as a brand new podcast, and I don't know how it happened, but she invited me on it's because she wants to God's on and she doesn't have the guts to just ask you got. So she feels like she has build up towards you. Got so take a listen and be sure to leave a review. Subscribe to a to be nice guys or mom reads every comment. Hello. Welcome back. This is leg with me and it comes and recording live from Miami. I guess this week who is sitting across from me shimmying was interested me is Mike Ryan, the producer of the lebatardshow. Mike. On a scale one through ten, how hard does my song slap it slaps ten times over. Is it a bop or a banger? Slobber. Lapper. It's a slapper. It's good music. I love that. It's really good. Right? It's really good. Do you think it goes with my personality? Absolutely. That's what makes it so good. Thank you. Thank you. Everyone keeps saying is really diseconomies, which I think is an insult to mute is it is an insult to you. All right. Like I'm here just so you can build up to stugatz and if you want to build up the guys, you need to stop using big words like this incongruous I use decontextualize knockabout quarterback play on HQ. And as soon as I said it, I felt like I looked at the feedback and I saw public stories ghost on the screen, and I hated myself before we get into things with Mike and football related. Thank you to everybody who sent a question. There were a lot of questions, which is basically my ploy to get ratings and reviews to boost my podcasts because I heard somebody told me that that works so, but I am going to answer. So it's too many questions to answer all at once will brag, but I'm going to answer leg ten of them in a row chronologically. I will answer them all. So keep listening. You're gonna have a mail bag segment. I'm not calling it a mailbag. I haven't caught that of like a cute name. Well, either way the concept seems revolutionary. The first does not only as the first podcast exist is the first mailbag to exist on our podcast. I mean, they're a great question. Like for example, Christmas clause asked who would win in a dance contest between Jamison fits. Obviously, these questions were sent about a week and a half ago when they were topical, does Shawn could dress fits a caveat? And is this how all quarterback controversy should be decided? Obviously, yes, I love that. He include could've been she Christmas clause. I don't wanna. I don't want to. I love that they incorporated the notion of DeShaun dressing fists as 'cause I don't know if you relate to this, but I am the type of person where I much better if I'm wearing like a costume and I can kinda inhabit the spirit Beulah mask theory for the actor. Well, it was like, you remember the time. I was Elmo on this show although I was terrible that day. Embodied Elmo. You weren't Meena. I think you became Elmo. It was so bad too, because as you notice it blocked my peripheral vision and a lot of doing the lebatardshow for people who watch is there's a lot of interaction between the shipping container were Mike sits and people in the studio. And because I had oblong shape literally could not turn my head to the right. Well, I got to answer the question though. Fits are insecure in the mail bag segment. The teaser to the mail banker you, you know what? The appetite, radio, one and one maybe. So one would assume when we. Per stereotypes would play against Ryan Fitzpatrick. But after that eat the w thing that he did, I shake it. I can't shit every time I look at a man. It's so appalling. Do you think is teammates think about that when it drives like call play in the you can't get past the team has background. Ryan Fitzpatrick is definitely like the old like the white guy at the wedding hits the Kwan. Kwan's once get hit. I don't know, really put it on the poll. I'll go with Fitzpatrick. Who do you think is the best dancer of any quarterback in the NFL before we move onto the football, I was not prepared for this Baker Mayfield. Have you seen the gifts have you? Did you see him at the? I haven't seen rookie showcase whatever word you just said. I haven't seen. I have seen some gifts of Baker mayfield's dancing. So the recall them, the New York Giants. The reason do you call them the New York guy. You might be wondering after all this stash, he's giving me why is he here? But it's for reason. Mike Ryan is a huge NFL fan, and most of our communication is about either our dogs or the NFL specifically the Browns. I made the mistake of expressing like socially some interest in his team. And as a consequence, he now texts me between five and seven times a day really obscure, not even exciting Brown's news. The other day. So I'm on Pacific time, and I think I was woken up at like three AM to a Mike Ryan text about, I don't like a practice squad guy getting lows during the summer, so thank you for that. But yeah, you are the biggest Browns fan probably at ESPN. Is that fair? I don't know any other ones. Yeah. I don't know. Keith in fantasy might have something to say about that. Keith law Keith Lipscomb. He's our fantasy guru guy here who helps us research in. Yeah, he's he's a huge Browns guy. All right. Well, you got some competition, but so obviously we're gonna. This is going to be the most Brown's talk, however long. This podcast last, we will never have more Browns. Talk than this moment, sorry and no, but we will talk about, you know, five games per usual. We'll do Thursday night football at which is a good game. I'd say at the end. Is it a good? You know, it's not really. Good game, patriots. She's spry the best game of the weekend, probably. Although actually think charges around give. So that's gonna be the funnest game, the chargers browsers. We know exactly how that came about that. Well, okay. So yeah, let's start there chargers at Browns. Wow. This has polish. The wanted to add imaging. Because when I listened, I went back and listen to ipod guys, and I felt like the transitions, we're too subtle and that people could benefit from some demarcation, but man that is abrupt emails to voice over artists color emails every week. Hey, can you give us chargers at Browns? And no one ever thinks to repurpose just him saying chargers from the previous week at from the previous week from the previous Mike? Can I just tell you that when I told her that we were going to get Cutler to do voiceovers? She definitely thought I was talking about j. j. what's he doing. Reasonable for the best. I think I wrote back to her. You don't have the budget for that. Cutler ESPN asks me too. Can you imagine? I don't know, fantasy focus and all of a sudden they're like. Let's talk with the Browns. The first question I wanna ask you. Is just looking back. So I went back and I looked at all the Browns drafts over the last five years. And you know, we got, we got we. We got Justin Gilbert. We got me Ingo who's actually been okay on the Seahawks. Obviously, Menzel, Corey Columbia's disaster central. Do you think that this last draft is the best Brown's draft of all time and could potentially change the direction of the franchise forever is already is talk about it. I was so sad when I want to Baker Mayfield number one. But when the Browns played Hasaan Bradley Chubb and took Denzel ward a smaller corner out of Ohio State. I was really mad about that and quarter into the season. I'm so sorry, John Dorsey. Yeah, he's already the best corner in this division. Is that a stretch to say, okay, Steelers? Yes, bangles maybe. No, no, that's fair core. Yeah, I would say the ravens Jimmy Smith just came back is quite good. That's secondary's pretty good, but yet it's not a great not at night. A lot of good corners trick. That's why said that? What makes them so good? Like why? What do you what is so good? If I'm with his ability to tackle, goes for the shoulder tackle, probably a little too much, especially for a smaller guy like him, but he's a, he's a playmaker man. He's a ball hawk. He's gonna get thrown on sometimes which you know ball hawks to do, but I'm just so impressed by his ability to seal the edge every time and over the last few years, a running back got out to the outside our our corner certainly wasn't gonna, stop them and he's assure tackler and even though he's not the tallest guy, he's very long and lanky. Right. I think like five, eleven or something. I remember during the draft thinking goes for all these kill shots to I don't understand it. He loves hype himself up his booming hits on soc. Media. I don't understand it at all, but he's a part of the greatest Brown's draft class ever. And you could already say that because the quarterback hasn't embarrassed him self yet yet yet. But I don't think it's going to happen. The defense for a second because I look agree. It's a phenomenal draft already. I who's. Who else do they drink? Callaway I was gonna say Calloway who's been a little inconsistent and sometimes plays turn out to go disastrous a ball bouncing off of his hands into the arms of defender for pick six that happened in Oakland, some bad drops along the way, but just what he did in New Orleans with the game on the line. Catching slightly overthrown pass from tyrod Taylor and getting his speed in the end zone. He's, he was. He's one of those John Dorsey guys, all the talent in the world, very high ceiling, lots of off the field concerns. Well, the thing is the two thousand seventeen draft is now showing out, right? So Garrett we knew was you know freak. He's like one of those I hate using. It's such a cliche to call a guy like him a freak, but then you watch them. You only also free like, no, he's absolutely a free. A peppers is planned that little better now. That's what I wanted time about because I feel like it really hard on him. And when I went back and watched some. Of the ravens game. He was really fun around there. You know, he's really good against the run, and you know he's a little bit dicey and coverage. I know you've been angry about some of the returns, but the in that's stop using him that right, but but do can lay the would. And I think he really benefits from the presence of ward and I think Randall has been played Randall unleashing him brindles essentially a part of our draft class from last year because you use Kaiser to get Randall and then you know, David, Joe coups he's, I wouldn't say he's completely well. He was what he first round actually. So I don't think he's quite lived up to his draft status yet, but there's potential there now that he has a quarterback our beloved. Larry Jobe was also a classic twenty. Seventeen. So you know you're seeing these picks. It is funny because I don't really think it was like they were necessarily bad picks at the time. It was more just, you know that they didn't have. I mean, it is amazing. The effect that, I guess a quarterback to quite like and have on the rest of the team. I think this defense has the potential. To be a top ten defense in the NFL I was pointed, they're currently so a DVD away, which is football outsiders efficiency metric. Finally, starting to matter now because through the first four weeks doesn't take into account competition, so it's not entirely useful. Now we're starting to get that. They are second in Devi away, right? Thirtieth and offense, but that reflects we'll get out. But you know, this is a team, their fourth in passing defense, seventh, seven, rushing devious. They're balanced there. Total yardage numbers are not like you're twenty six passing yards per game, but that doesn't matter. You wanna look at the efficiency numbers. I think they're still just twenty seconds stack ratio. So I think you could see some improvement there in the past rush. Do you think Garrett the combination Garrett oaken Jobe has that lived up to your expectations and Ogbeh has been hurt for much of this year and he's starting to work his way back. I think we're probably playing Myles Garrett a little bit too much. If you see the snap count, it's a great. Yes. Why? Because I, they found. It to be a good idea to cut Nate orchard and call a massive in the preseason. And soon as Agua went down, you realize probably not the greatest thing in the world because I don't think Garrett missed a snap following the injury when he when they played at New Orleans. And I think the sack production would come if you gave Myles Garrett a little bit of rest because he's not one of these leaner pass rushers. He's also a pass rusher. That's really good against the run. He works really hard. He doesn't check out as soon as the quarterback hands it off. So that's hard to do for a guy that's on the edge. So you need to give them as much as possible? Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, he was an early tender, not just I think, for defensive, MVP defensive. Sorry, can you is that he was an early favorite for defensive MVP who was one I don't want. He wasn't certainly not one or two max stole everybody's. That's gone, but I think you're right if they don't ease up on his usage, especially down. On the road and they don't. They do don't really have a lot of deaths on that defensive line. Another thing that jumped out to me from the ravens game was the offensive line in particular. The left tackle Desmond Harrison, right? John Dorsey special. He got worked by drew, media rolled drill sucks. That's a hormone, and that's a concern for me going for with Baker. Now. Now we talk about Baker, which is that I, the offensive line is fine, but I think you're starting to see some cracks in that starting to affect his accuracy in his play, and I wouldn't pin that on Mayfield. I would pin that on his protection, very, absolutely nailed it though, with Harrison, low risk. Guys, we're talking about Terrell suggs, right? That's not the easiest matchup for anybody. And that's a, that's a really good solid defense. It's going to play pressure on an offensive line from all sides. How will this is thirty. That's insane, and he looks every bit of it. And so big and strong actually thought I n- grading on a curve, but Harrison was fine. I got really encouraged by the fact that he's been calling Joe Thomas and getting tips every week from Joe Thomas on how to block guys. Subs is a guy that Joe Thomas is blocked actively and Erikson's, you know, not terrible for the first week, I think, worked as a little too strong Baker. It's good to have a quarterback. Answer me this. Why is Baker more effective at getting away from pass rushers than tyrod because tyrod nickname is t mobile when he makes up his decision to actually go run its effective, but in terms of being able to move around in the pocket bakers already surpassed him, I have a lot of thoughts on that because, but it basically was sacked five times in that ravens game. I mean, I, that's too much pressure his, you know it. I like him a lot. I think he's great, but it for him to develop and continue progressing. You can't have that, I guess. So granted, the ravens are one of the better defenses in the NFL tyrod a it is a really good question the game where he was so terrible and got hurt, and Baker went in. I think he actually got rocked pretty hard early on might have been hurt. He was not. I I know I get accused of being tyrod defender, and I don't think he's a great quarterback. I think he can be of good quarterback in the right situation, but what you're seeing out of him, what you saw. I think it's some of these Browns games and you saw sort of towards the end of his bills career was he was trying too hard. Hard to not run to not be that guy because he was told told, but basically offense coordinator for so long and up, especially towards again, the end of his tenure in buffalo were not. We're asking to not do that to say in the bucket to be a pocket passer difference for like a rhythm quarterback, and that's not who he is. And I think sometimes if your quarterback who is mobile quarterback and you are forced into a box, you start playing against your own skill set. And I really think that's what we saw with Taylor to be quite Frank near the end of it fields probably going to get beat up a little bit. In this game, even though that the chargers are without Bosa the Browns offensive line does like to do this thing where they just forget to block and edge rusher occasionally and credit to Baker. Even in overtime, he was able to turn some plays out. I really liked to see Duke Johnson get more involved in the office. He signed that three year extension. He's been largely invisible despite leading the team in snap in snaps last week, he's not. Yeah, he he had forty plus snaps last week, but he only had five Russia's. You only had the one catch. I feel like that is such a dangerous place, especially against a team like Los Angeles that struggles with pass. Catching running backs. This'll be a really good match up to get through Johnson involved, and it would be a hell of a way to help out that offensive line and you're young quarterback, how are they using all the running because going into the season, I was very confused by the Browns decision making through cards to paying signing running backs. They seem to have three hundred of them, and I haven't been tracking every now and look up. I'm like, oh. L. Carlos heights still pretty good. I always liked that guy or, oh there, no job as still on the team, like, how were they deploying them and how would you like for them to the point Ling? To me, I thought that the whole idea behind signing Carlos. I was, I think you had this exchange with me puzzled as to why they signed Carlos I and you told me his numbers outside of the shotgun in the shotgun formation are really good. So expected to see more shotgun with Carlos Hyde. I'm really confused as to how they're divvying up the snaps, Nick chub won rookie of the week with three rushes one hundred plus yards. I think the most frustrating part is getting to Johnson a little bit more involved, especially when you're you've lost Higgins. Now you're without Josh. Gordon Jarvis Landry is really a possession receiver, even though they're trying to use them kind of different and Calloway's young, why not even lineup do Johnson out wide a little bit because he's a really good receiver they need the help. Yeah. Well, are you happy with Todd Haley today to end? No, not really. Not. Not just yet. I'm happier with them now that I have a quarterback that's on holding onto the ball and is actually executing a little bit. Baker Mayfield say what you will, whether he, they nailed the number one pick or not. I think it's very clear. He's better than tyrod Taylor right now thinking quarterback too. I think pretty unequivocally at this point. I would go him. Darnold rose in. It's really hard to tell given now. I mean, more Jackson has he's been affected than call they're using. I mean, there's other aspects to his game. Yeah, and it's reputed to be a really good quarterback class. He's been. He's been. There's never been a time that you've point pointed to Baker Mayfield even when he had some turnovers against Oakland. I think all the one was explainable. One was at the end which was essentially an arm punt one went off the hands of in Tonio Calloway. The miscommunication with the center that just checked in the game was probably on him, but I point to his performances even against Baltimore when they're not putting up a lot of points on the board and say he did as good as he possibly could in that situation. I think this is gonna be a stiffer challenge might seem at the time out the chargers here because this is a team that's under performed so far this season relative there tell, obviously boasts been out. But last week he finally saw Melvin Ingram. Eat a little bit and they'd Derwin. James has been incredible. I, it is so so depressing to me that I think the Seahawks were one pick away from the seventeenth eighteenth and I felt as far as he did, I was freaking out on draft night. He's unbelievable. And he's been just such a multi purpose weapon for them and then Philip rivers. So I don't know if you know this, I'm like a huge Philip fans. I love him. I, I, I don't know if part of the reason I love him is I just respect his game so much in part of the reason I respect his game so much as he's just torn up Seattle like so often over the years. But I also just love his five, which is like what I hope to some day embody in that sort of spirit of like data at the soccer game who yells at the coach like and gets way to invest in the like I just there's something about I find him. So amusing, even though he's probably really unpleasant, seems very unpleasant to move to Los Angeles, which is a bummer because the charges belong in San Diego. But with the move to Los Angeles once-over lie. Mining is it's a smaller stadium and the microphones pick up rivers, so well on the sideline. You can hear him screaming at the refs almost crystal clear like I don't know what the chargers are. When I look through the box scores, they've lost the two best teams in the NFL in Kansas City and the Rams. And if you really look at those games, I know there were there was a double digit law suit, Kansas City, and the Rams had that game woolen hand, but they weren't just one or two plays it. If they go differently. The chargers fumbled a punt twice and it was inside their own red zone. They missed a field goal against Kansas City. Post-game. Philip rivers put voice to that saying, I'm kind of encouraged by how that game went despite the fact that we lost by ten points and there were the Derwin James as good as he's been. He took an interception out of the end zone and went out of bounds right at the one when he could just easily taken a knee and that ended up biting them instantly. So I think the chargers are pretty good. You mean to tell me that chargers special teams wasn't and they made some crazy fluky air that is shocking. You're right. And now looking back, obviously chasing the ramps are the two best teams NFL it's not particularly close. This is a rare game that the chargers actually had the better special teams because brands I don't even, yeah, her dead last in the NFL and they're twice as bad as the second closest team before we move on. I just rivers, I think is quietly having a very Philip rivers season four QBR fifth in yards per attempt. Six in completion percentage. Second impasse rating against the raiders. He completed eighty percent of his passes for three hundred thirty nine yards. And I think it was from PF. He was seven for eight Onder pressure for one hundred sixteen yards. So this is a challenge for the young bucks, but we'll see how that goes. We spent a lot of time in this game time. Well, even wanted the Browns. So you can hear the people unsubscribe. Okay. On to the next game, Jay Cutler, please weigh-in. On not Jay Cutler, Jay Cutler Panthers had Redskins. I do you think Jay Cutler would do that read there would be a drag of a cigarette before and you would hear. Lil Wayne starts rapping and his mic saves by lighter something similar to that Wayne star of ESPN interviews. I think it'd be something like. They're making news. I was so confused by this letter that Johnny Manziel wrote the Baker Mayfield Lil Wayne is next to. I can't wait what's next interview in which a superstar. You're saying work because he got him while comfortable and he said, great stuff. All right. I think Jay would do it like this. I don't know Panthers resident, who cares? All right. The Redskins I was much more excited to talk about this game before the Redskins looked freaking terrible, and we'll talk a little bit more about the Panthers than the skins. But the thing I wanted to say. So before the game, I was like, pulling your stash, and I was like, wow, there I in passing yards per game. They really were and third in yards per rush, which means the run defense has been really good. Actually run defense was pretty good against the saints, and then they come out and they laid stinker and it got me thinking like. Kirk cousins that it was never him. It was always the team, and that was just the spirit of the team in having which is the guy who we look at the statistics. You're like, well, he's actually pretty good, and then you put them on TV and he does something terrible. And I really, I think that's just Washington football. I don't is Washington go to be the scene that we just don't get a read on all season. One hundred percent, Jason Witten said something during the broadcast that made a little bit of sense to me just from what I had seen, which is this is a match up nightmare. The New Orleans Saints for Washington, they are going to match up so much better against a team like Carolina USA, and you break down this game Carolina's really good at Russian the ball. I think they might be near the top of the league if not the best. And that's a real strength in terms of stopping the run yet for Washington. So I'm excited to see Christian McCaffrey and how they actually start using them. Are they going to use? The sort of air quotes runs, which is just swing passes because they're not going to be able to get anything really going on the ground. How much is Cam Newton actually runs? I'm really excited about this. Matchup even though I think it might be an ugly game, the Josh Norman, revenge. At extremely ugly game. So I, I'm glad you mentioned Cam running and the use of Christian mccaffery because I have to take a couple of elves. That should be a segment on the show like Meena taking. I take. I Jay Cutler. Catching ills weather around. No, but I do have to catch up, blows on the Panthers two things really one. I thought this offense of line would be terrible. And most people thought that they lost everyone before the season, you know, nor was gone. Dare Williams got hurt whatever, and slot. Ann Taylor Moton. This offense of line has been often awesome. Football outsiders has them as the number one run blocking unit in the NFL. I think PF regards him highly as well. So I was completely incorrect about that. And I think it plays into the next thing. I'm about to say the success of the offensive line plays a little bit into the next thing I've out today, which is north Turner, a north core which hasn't caught on, but I'm gonna keep saying it has actually been pretty good. And so I saw someone posted today. The statistics are from pro football focus. I can't remember who posted it that the Panthers, like most good teams in the last week, but not every other week. Are you finally using play action more with Cam Newton? And he's been so grey with it like, Aw, so many quarterbacks. So in two thousand seventeen, they ran it on seventeen percent of his attempts hit a ninety. Six point seven passer rating when he did it this year. Newton is using play action on twenty eight percent of his attempts and his passer rating is on her thirty six. So yeah. So like I again, so catch on. I gotta catch on the offense of line, but I think it also plays into their using play action. Norv Turner has been better than I thought, which is part of the reason why I think this this offense has actually been pretty good moten. You mentioned pro football focus, believe pro football focus grades about to be the best tackle out either on the left or right side as soon as he made that switch to right. He's been the best, but the offensive line might have a whole for this game, and it's their center. Khalil he's he's hampered by an injury, and that's a satisfied you're gonna have to watch. Typically when I bet for entertainment purposes, if a team is missing their center, I automatically fade them. I think this is one of those random games, Washington ends of winning that center thing is really interesting. I've seen about that watching the Cowboys because I think the Travers Frederick injury is we underestimate I think centers and everything that they do in terms of calling out protections and sort of establishing the tone for an offensive line, and you really see the Dallas than I do wonder if that's going to be a huge issue in Carolina as well. One area where they don't have a problem with special teams were you so okay, I want to talk about the good. Oh, kick really quickly because I, I don't know if this is unusual and I want to write about you. I never unless it's my team and I really care. I never root for a kicker. Demus never is I, I just, I think it's like I'm too much of a softie, but if breaks my heart. Yeah, seeing kicker Ben really understand what's happening in. This league because you move the extra point back a few yards and all of a sudden it's just mess with everyone psyche. It's unsettled everybody. It's almost as if you remember if you watch NBA TV, you're shocked. Every time Michael Jordan misses a free throw. And that's what I remember the NFL being just free in blitz. It was just free because it's always made the extra points. And I felt like kickers were never this bad. I don't know. I feel like it's one of those things where we're like they're so bad. But then if you look at statistics, they're actually not worse. You know, I, it's like, hell. Everyone's like SNL sucks now. But then if you go back ten years, people are like used to be better in the eighties. And if you go to the eighties like it was better than new, I think that's like one of those recency bias voice. Where did I didn't have to do that whole lesson on it. But yeah, I, I don't know. I don't know what the deal is, but look, it's certainly clearly not an issue for Carolina. Last thing I'll say about this team is that you there become those teams where the you, you think the defense is better than the offense because that's always been the case. It's really not been this year. This second tier snap salute disaster. Although James bradberry held up pretty good against Oto Beckham junior, but you in read obviously, was just added right at it. The speaking of old guys by the way, Mike Adams, similarly, intercept Avmark items. So picked off Eli manning twice, thirty seven years old. I made that up, but I think I looked it up during the game because I was so confused. Okay. So I think my presence on this podcast is just like an off ramp on the way to Stu gods, which is what all the guests on the show have been building up to one takeaway that I have so far two and a half episodes in. You're not saying who you think is gonna win. All that often have to say that. Okay, game previews. And I know it's not. But if you're trying to attract a su- God's, if you're if you're leaving, sue got strap. You need to tell me who's going chargers for the last game by the way in. Yeah, I did. I only pick that Philip rivers is going to have the ball down a score with seconds left. It's been too long since we've had one of those. True. It's and certainly the Browns would be good. I mean, it's really hard not to Washington after what we saw last night. Although I don't think that was necessarily indicative dicey Washington. I make Washington. Well, we're doing power rankings, and and I think your line is one of those teams where nobody really knows if they're good, right. It's the record, was that a sleepy game against the giants was that season on the line game for the giants. I just allies. Like if I think that was the giants I thirty point game in two years address, I twenty five plus yard touchdown through the air since week, five of last year and Odell Beckham through it. So I, I did go with Carolina. I have a lot of concerns about this defense. Yeah, I, I was just saying the secondary is terrible. The pass rush has also been absent right eight, which is against something we typically associated team, having good pass, rush, Thomas Davis who's gosh. Mike Adams sold cut. Oh, forty, five. So he's back. Julius peppers. Oh my God, Greg Olsen is back to. Does the average age of the pants you talk in this thing? I'm going Washington. I'll go girl and I think I don't know. The office has really been clicking in for the reasons you describe it, I think is going to be in this podcast drops on Thursday, can I just monitor a Khalil's health and if Khalil's out it's a, it's a surefire washing, three entertainment purposes. All right. Before we get to the final three games, I'm in my mail bay now sensitive about having a mailbag just call a mill bag. What's right? Just wrote questions. Overproduce it. Okay. If you have like a cute name tweeted at me, but like nothing weird question is always. Tiny that Jay Cutler. I gotta hire like Jake color impersonator. All right. So I'm gonna just burn through these. 'cause like I said, it's a lot, so I'm not going to dwell on them too much. Baba. Fifty five asks what nicknames did you have growing up? They're all so embarrassing. A lot of people call them in my initials m k Burns's Meena. All right. Matthew reader asked Ken the ravens offense specifically flacco keep this up all year. Clearly reader asked that before. These were these committed before last Sunday? No. So. Oh, yeah. There you go, ding, ding, renovate, j. somebody's going to do a really obscene name and I'm just gonna read it. And that's terrible, asks with the NFL standard of using cheap quarterback contracts to the bears, wait until the end of the season to see if trubisky's the guy. I love that conversation in general, and and that's a longer about the corporate contract sent and whether or not you should have it rookie like always try to always have required, frankly. But yeah, they're going to say with Tubassi for pucker than this season regardless of how he does any s. three one asked me what my favorite Connie album is feels. I'm interested. Dropout would be, my guess is my favorite. I my my controversial take is that eight and heartbreaks is great album. Really? Yeah. People. You wear the the main theme? Oh, no, I'm not because my favorite kind of albums actually eases and that is very minority. Somebody should come on. Let's the latest one called. I forget the one that's coming out on that just came. Yeah, somebody should put if I said, yeah. Would you walk out of the alright PJ? Oh, the eighty seven. The difficult asks will Rogers win another Super Bowl in Green Bay. Ooh, I don't in Green Bay is, oh, yeah, Shing part of it, right? Because you know, there's no quarterbacks. There's no Super Bowls in green may have now. Yeah. Does. I mean because they're not gonna have the Super Bowl ingred. Okay. I used to a little loophole there. Jeremy Lanchester asks power rankings for chicken restaurants, Chick-fil-A raising cane's Zaks fees in urban XP's. Popeye's KFC are Emily does piece is I'm not a liar and I've never been there. I'm number one. 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So obviously the Rams were interesting team here, but Broncos are on my bleep lists. What is what is like if you had to just before we get to the ramps, if you had to summarize the identity of the Denver Broncos right now, like how would you describe them as a team? What are they good at her identity is running the ball. I'm loved the rushing attack rice Royce and Lindsay. I'm a fan. They should be doing that. Hell of a lot more. Their identity is running the ball really well and case keenum doing disastrous things. So many turnovers from case keenum and he's a quarterback that very clearly needs everything to go. Right or him. Yeah. And even then when everything's going right heel, so sale a game winning pass on Monday night, twenty yards past the intended receiver into the sands. He's bad. This team is bad. Von Miller can't get to the quarterback. I think von Miller might be hurt eating. So I think he might be, I know his game. It showed up. I don't think he's had a sack and three games you showed up on the injury report for the first time. I wouldn't be surprised I, I was combing through a bunch of Broncos preview stuff because I struggled with outside of Saint. I like the running game. What do I say about this team other than wolf? Well, and it's, I don't think von Miller is hurt, and a lot of people have followed. This seem don't. They don't think that von Miller is healthy. I tend to do a wolf. I think it was the last podcasts, but I got the inflection wrong. So it's not like impressed with leg. Yeah, right. Because whiff can really go either way. This team is definitely a look. This is one of the least fun teams watch. Ellen, right? So, yeah, the defense it is. I mean, I think you can really clearly diagnose all the reasons why they fell off from, you know, Wade Phillips leaving to that secondary kind of falling apart Bradley Roby who is named the number two after a keep leave minute left has been absolute disaster for them. I think he's on his fifth year option. Yeah, no, well, they're paying him some. Yeah, he was a former first round pick. That's crazy. Secondary mix a lot of mistakes as you watch that the jets. I mean, it was funny because Sam darnold actually wasn't that great, and he just had like two giant throws, but not only did it wasn't just like, oh, busting coverage in miscommunication. It was tackling was just really bad, which is part of the reason why crow was able to bust off that game was just like five explosive plays. The run defense has been absolutely atrocious. By the way they're growing, they're all God. We'll talk about that a second. They are allowing five point one seven yards per rush, which. Is not not something you want to be allowing in the NFL. So this is going to be, I think stuff might be a long game for them because if if they're making mistakes in the secondary, then this is the absolute coach you go, you're talking about the pass, rush being an issue in right. This is a passionate, have von Miller Bradley, Chubb chain Ray, Shaq Barrett. I think the last two guys are healthy, but they should be causing problems. I mean in the and I was gonna say in the Kansas City game, they did cause problems. They were confusing the hell out of Patrick Mahomes it, which was able to contain him in part. They basically two things shutdown Travis Kelsey, and they were just completely stunned on Patrick Mahomes righteous. Using a lot of tricky stuff. Tricky moves to to keep them honest, I was all game. So I one would think like, okay, if there is a deficit can do this, I might be them, but they don't really have the guys you can cover and they just don't have enough speed. I think in the back. So I'm not optimistic about this game, herbal matchup in LA. Well, who is a good ran a matchup for the Rams I'm at apparently Seahawks were pretty good match. But I mean, this team is so they're obviously I in Devi away and the Rams defense. I think they're being crew sized a little bit too much right now. They're fourteenth in DVD way, but they're totally artist. Numbers are not stupendous run either which is if Denver has a shot in this game, it's probably run the ball. I love Sean, MC vein, Wade Phillips. It's like a may December kind of thing. It's lethal weapon. It's it's the old grizzled veteran. The new hotshot makes the old grizzled veteran stick around for a while. I was gonna say Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta Jones. But your analogy is, I was thinking like, why? Why is it may December by the way? Like why not January December? Why may have you thought about that? But anyways, yeah. Do I think this defensive? So the issues I can't remember somebody was posing numbers on Marcus Peters. And they were just obviously atrocious his ranking amongst Cornerbacks in you, Seattle, if there is a formula against the Rams defense will what plays into, I think attaining their offense, which is really the only thing you do is keep them off field. Seattle did it right, which is you run the ball exchange together. These very long kind of Bo constrictor like drives, and then you pick on markets like that was really it. Seattle used a lot of play action to a lot with a lot of success because they were able to hold up the Rams one of their ears. They don't really have an outside pass rushes to Donald and that's kind of it. Right. So if you can buy some time with play action and get them worried about the run a little bit, and then you go after Peter's. I mean, they put up thirty got rid of Quin, which was a little curious for without any outside, but it's not like Quinn was really producing really old. Yeah. I'm always talking about how it like us. Yo, is this a common thread? I haven't picked up on my marveling at how old twenty. Oh my God. I thought he was much older. Do you think the Rams offense is better than Kansas City? Yeah, I do wick do weirdly quick. I do. Have you seen the Kansas City extreme McCain's? What do you think like why? Why? Because the wide receivers for Kansas City are are fast, super fast. But they're short. And if they wanna use Travis Kelsey to do the big tall things fine. But as we've seen with the technical term villainy tell things like fade routes in the end zone which are necessary evil that you probably hate. We've seen Kelsey, sort of go quiet sometimes. Yeah, it's I, the thing about the Rams offense is, you know, we're always talking about Sean McVay and his use of pre snap motions in the jets sweeps in how in the deception linebackers on their heels. But really what he he does isn't that complicated? Right? Like they always use eleven. They always use the same guys. They use them an interesting different ways. He's very creative with us a wide receivers, but he's got cooks and who might be out by the way. So that's an issue. That's phenomenal. But he, he's so he's got super fast guys and he sends them deep and then you get these huge lanes open up underneath and Sean McVeigh, unlike half of the idiot, offensive coordinators in the NFL. We'll take that seven yard pass on first down every time. Then it's like, okay, dog earlier we used to run through your, you know, and it's so simple and yet it works now. Another thing that caught my eye about their offenses in addition to obviously, guys running around wide open all the time which is immensely frustrating. They're running open in the middle of field which this really jumped out to me in the clink. So last game was in Seattle. Years ago and obviously has a lot to do with the Cam chance are used to be on his team. You never saw guys running around Millfield because they would get murder. Literally. That was like going into gang territory. The bloods walking into you did not go, and that is more about rules than stuff, right. The fact that you can't receivers can now run around in that part of the field and and they're not gonna get destroyed because guys are afraid of invoking the helmet rule, but Sean McVay McVeigh's reeling to exploit that and to great effect. I think I was maybe some people came away with that performance at Seattle, maybe a little more down on Los Angeles. The comparison thing tie. I was so impressed to be able to come back and that hostile atmosphere an offense that had been struggling all year and Seattle, and they're finally putting a points and there were running up the gut of of the Rams which you haven't Dhamma consumer and earned. Donald is impressive. It doesn't look like that should happen, right? Which is why another reason why Denver might have a shot, but to be able to come back on the road against a Seattle team, that's putting a points without cooks without Cup Teflon. They're amazing. I mean, so Marcus Peters is obviously been ally ability for them. What was it game before where he was getting picked on? He hasn't been thinking him, yes. So that's what I was gonna say. I think that might be a health issue. Some of it is his style of play though. 'cause like Marcus Peters has always been overaggressive and can like retirement with board. Like if you play, if you live by the sword, you die by the sword a little bit. And he is kind of that guy, Mark baron being backed linebackers huge for them, but. It'll be interesting to see how they handle him. I don't think the Broncos are going to be the team to really put that to a test. But yeah, you know, Kappen Brandin cooks that if if they were playing a better team, I might have some cause for concern, but you said I have two predictions, right? So I don't think they're going to have any trouble with is my bold Dake is that the Rams will easily handle the Broncos. I presume you agree. Are you agree if I were holding out any hope it'd be rushing attack? What's the line on this game? Opened up seven point home underdogs seven points or even. Yeah. Took the Rams. Yeah, I would j what's the next chief chiefs, patriots. All right. So we are the best game. Of the weekend? Probably the most exciting game. I want to hear the chiefs before we get to the patriots. So what earlier when I was about to go into highly questionable, you ask me, we taught him on this on the radio show. Is that what you asked me about this. This is something that we've been talking about in the brakes and it's never made it to air, but we wanna do the cliche sports. Radio says, what that discussion? If you're the Packers, do you trade Aaron Rodgers for Patrick Mahomes? This is actually it's like a sophisticated discussion about team building, right? It's not really like a one for one skill thing because if it was a one for one skill thing, I would stick with Rogers because we don't know what Patrick Mahomes gonna look like in December when he's getting his book kick or whatever. And but but you have to take into account the thirty million dollars salary and whatever is age and stuff like that. I just bowled over by Mahomes though in we're heading conversations about NFL. Offense is really are wide open. You know, refs don't do anything or they're always over and like these guy in we there was that Brady quote from the week when he was talking about Mahomes and he was like, nowadays, the NFL it's college style football or something, and you sounded like a little salty to me a little Gerald jelly. But I listened to that and I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's that's true. But then I watched the games in Patrick. Mahomes makes really difficult throws like those guys are wide open like he's threatened needles than doing crazy stuff. So you can only get so open in the amount of time they go deep, go deep quick, which is an evolution of the game that we're not used to seeing. So while they're still getting some separation because it got blazing speed there going so quick that these are tighter windows lately it at the beginning of the season. There were, there were some ridiculously. Your home so into, they've tightened up as teams have gotten film. This is recent. Yes. And this is the Jags and Bronco. Good defenses. Right? So yes, you're absolutely right. But and Mahomes didn't have his best game against Jacksonville, but the defense kind of stepped up. We'll talk about a little bit, but when that's more like Blake, Bortles happened, but I, I guess, Mahomes I wanted to ask you like, what do you think can be done? I guess to play good. I don't know, give Bill Bella check extra time to prepare, which had I Bill ballot, check the book on him as you always takes away what you're best at. I'm really best. I think it's Kelsey. I think you've gotta take out Kelsey in this offense. You let Tyree kills gonna realized, I think what their best had is a big play. I think what, how do you take away the big play? I think you let Kelsey kill you because it's going to be all the jacks took out hill though. They really did. He wasn't like a huge factor. This is what is this a fourth game? And I noticed last week this, oh, that we've covered did this is a game that we've covered. And I listened to Mike Golic junior podcast last week. There's just dropped in disguising coverages back bracket coverage. So nonchalantly, and I've been googling bracket coverage since because I thought it was one of those things that I thought I would amend, but not really because. Yeah. Well, no, it's like a bracket look like a bracket. Right? But it was just drop in there so much like, oh, I got to know my stuff. Do you think you're better than like, no, no, no. He's my who's tarheels big game how he's better than Dominique, but you are not here to compete. I know, but I'm the most self aware of the three because I know that my position, here's again off ramp on the way to sue. Got STAN. Well, okay. The pats defense did look a lot better. Let's talk about the second, but I think you're right. I mean, this is the fact that we have two different answers. I think highlights the impossibility of the situation which is there. There is no one weapon on the chiefs. There is no one like they've really will kill you thousand ways. Kareem hunt is going to have day against this. He's still really good, you know, and to say nothing of Andy Reid and it's play designed. Do you think of Andy Reid. Doesn't win a Super Bowl. He can still go down as one of the best coaches in NFL. Yes, no. What am I taking? But it's fair. I mean, we're talking one, yes, because we talk about Aaron Rodgers as the greatest ever and he only has one even though him only having one is a knock, but it's like knock on him. Andy Reid, his reputation is that of a choker that a that of a choker and someone who's bad o'clock manage and someone who's really good at this point in the season, I think we saw Alex Smith greatest game ever at Foxboro. Last year. This chief seem has had a couple of these games against these patriots where you question the entire patriots patriots blueprint and say, are they done been responsible for two of those games? Those are two different regimes. I think that have done that have done that. So I'm really curious to see, especially now that we have salty Brady jealous of Patrick Mahomes I love that narrative. Why isn't that a bigger narrative going into this game that he's salt? Because you know my whole unlike completely convinced that Brady was just jealous of grab blows looks. And that's why he started like his skin gut, like way smoother after grad. Flo appeared and he changed his hair and you know, we have that whole like the diamond out of quicker some stories we're gray and they were like, you know, buried, he wants them out. I, there were fantastic reporting, but I looking for the stuff about the looks and it's not in there, but it seems very obvious to me that Brady is very, he's like a vampire, like he's he wants to steal his use Brady's actually throwing interceptions, but he's not been great man Hughes. Not been great. I've, even though the offense has looked a lot better Brady himself, I think, has been a little bit off, which is why the return of element was so enormous because even in the previous game against the dolphins, were they, they were a lot better. He, you could see his rhythm on the middle of the field stuff is where he thrives. And typically fees was off. So getting element back, even the connection wasn't quite there yet made a huge difference. The fact that they could run more eleven that they can have those three wide receivers on the field Gordon is still coming back online. Do you by the way. So as someone who has had a lot of personal experience with him, not really. You're just the team you before he play for. No personal experience. You've never met the man. How do you feel Tomahawk podcast occasionally? No, but Andrew Hawkins has personal experience which aren't. So I basically do have personally think like the moss stuff is overstated. Like, I, I know obviously there's a lot of skepticism about whether he's going to stay on the field and who knows, but do you think that he has the potential to be huge in New England or does that mean over things? End up working out for that organization, but my hot take spell, you know, with the backwards in front of the case is that I don't think Josh Gordon is going to be spectacular for for New England. I think he's going to be what you saw against the n. Indianapolis is the high end of the Josh Gordon experienced crazy gift give Tom Brady twenty five seconds and say, if you give them twenty five seconds, that was so frustrated because I've gone out with this. Take that. I don't think Josh, and it's going to be excellent for the patriots which is pretty as lukewarm. Okay. So let me make it more hockey. I think Josh Gordon is going to be a flop flap is and I was so right until the call scape, Tom Brady twenty five seconds. Okay. Throw a jump ball into double. I don't even think that pass with two Jewish. Also I was furious because I had started Eshelman at the last second of demand, and he was like ride opened on the side of the field and bruises they break. The one thing I say about New England is now -fensive line is still incredible, and I think that's going to, you know, sustain them going into three a. m. Texas woke up from me was Eric genie. Saying that Josh Gordon blue is best chance at success. And I think that's absolutely. I think that's on the money because Cleveland would put up with all the stuff that isn't gonna fly. When you think of Josh Gordon, you'd think of, you know, the the drug suspensions and all that. That's not really is biggest problem in fitting in with New England. It's being able to go through a practice and know exactly what you're doing on a field. I think this dude is going to have very limited plays that is going to become an can only use 'em about, like eighteen cents a game. And that big play was obviously not on schedule. Yeah, the he could fit out. Certainly, you know, both teams were the offenses, I think are undeniably better than the defenses. The patriots defense has more talent than the defensively. They do get Eric berry back, maybe make Sooners because what I read about him is he tasted it sounds incredibly painful. You know what he has. Now, he has a condition in which he has a bone spur that is digging into his achilles, and this isn't the achilles, the bad one from last year. That's he's, he's recovering from another achilles injury that came to made a miss most of the season last year. I think he essentially have a New England game, right? And what you shutdown gronk and was incredible. And then he was out for the Zealand working his way back from that achilles injury on the other achilles. He's got a bone spur that is digging into his achilles. It's a terrifying combination of words that was going to say bone spur like whenever they talk about bone chips, I'm always really grossed out and bone spur is up there as well. This is a team that last week I think I coined the seven ten split on offense defense or like their second best to the Rams and then very close to the worst in defense. Which Bill Barnwell welfare. The show tweeted recently at there are no teams that are in the top ten in both. So there's a distinct lack of balance in the NFL right now. And I was trying to think of teams that might finish with a level of really, really hard because most often teens of terrible on defense and vice versa, the chiefs you, that's it's, it's totally feasible, totally. They're one of the teams. I don't actually through the chargers their opponents. The makes his a potential team there. I think the Rams the defense could improve the talent that I don't think the chiefs defense is going to improve even if Barry's bag. I, I don't know why if it's like a symmetry thing or what, but I prefer balance teams like Cincinnati is another one of those teams that could. Yes, yes, possible. Yeah. I mean, if Dalton keeps playing it as level, I like that. I like it when teams are have a pretty, I would rather like a pretty good offense at a pretty good defense than like a great one in. It's like when you see a couple and the guys like way better looking girl or the girl, that always bothers me. And I know. Not for like it doesn't matter the gender. You can flip them but like or both genders. But. Where are you going? No, no. You dig yourself out. Saying that I like. Okay. Here. Let me let me put this. Forget the looks. One thing that liba. Is saying a couple where one person is way taller than the other. Like a really tall guy had a really short girl really Togo which you never see short guy because I feel like they're making things harder for the rest of the world like that really talk my wife and I know you're, you're not that don't flat yourself. You're gonna put your normal normal. No. But like when I got my listen. Us and I, I appear an inch taller than I actually am. No. Those I, when I see a six date like guy in a like a five to girl, I'm like, that's some five, four guy out there could really use her like you're depriving where where did I lost scrape? Oh, I just wanted to quickly before move on. I just talk about the chiefs defense for a second because they did look a lot better against Jackson's Bortles and cool. Really the pass rush has not been terrible. Default has really broken out this year. Just Mason has been deformed is broken out in that no one. Sacks are just surprise. What is the do. But some I saw that they have maybe like I think the best fast relish in the NFL on third, Dow, which feels fluky. It's going to pass because you're already down twenty four points. They picked up def- Ford's fifth year option. And maybe if he has a great season, the regret it because we'll have to pay. You're obsessed with how old everybody is like the names on this team. On behalf. I'm Holly still the team. Wow. Is he just assumed because he's been there. He Ellen Bailey from the hostile there yet. Tomba Holly is a free agents. Okay. I remember last year he was complaining about not getting playing time anyway complaining. This is actually, I think a pretty difficult team game to pick for all the aforementioned reasons. The Bella check factor Brady being jealous of Mahomes youth is going to play. So I did. I mean, it's in Kansas City though. Right? Actually, that's why. Really solid by me. I know Justin Houston. So in Kansas City to well, he's actually been a bit of a difference maker at a, no, it's a New England. Oh. Assume. I would definitely take Kansas City I want. I should like bounced back at, you know, because it's really weird for the chiefs to be at FOX, considering that they were at Foxboro to open up the season last year, right? Which is a little weird, but we were coming off back to back seasons where Pittsburgh just opened up at Cleveland, both seasons, consecutively, weird. You can cut all of this out. All of this. I'm not here to. I'm not here to tell. You don't cut it out. Don't get it out. The people need to learn. What do you got? Who you got? All right. Have. This one so tough. I've here shameful admission. I have a bet against the chiefs every right guy picked against them. Last week I pick the Jags then I look stupid. I have gone against the chiefs every week, not straight up, but in terms of what the spread is I, if Bill Belichick can't find a way to weaken Kansas City with extra time to prepare. And if I can't trust in the Tom Brady is angry narrative, Endel jealousy that everything that I know about football for the last few decades is coming to an end. So I'm gonna go with Bill Bella check with extra time and the patriots because it's a prime time game, and very few quarterbacks go in and win this game. I think prime capper Nick won this game when he was electric. Yeah, that was a, that was an incredible game. And if Patrick Mahomes can do that, this is a final test for me where I say, okay, absolutely. Is the real deal. I'm already there, but yeah. Yeah, no, I know I'll I'll. Daily to it. All right. Final game hit it j. eagles at giants us really enthusiastic on that one way more. And that was the most Jay Cutler of the actual color. Jay Cutler. Okay. So. Before I wanna talk about the giants. I because during the last game, the panther's game, I tweeted a screen shot. I don't know if you watched. We had a draft show in the spring and when the giants took saquon Barkley I was dramatic. You know, and I kind of melted down tore out my hair and said, this is stupid. And I didn't say that, but I but I was like, is the terrible peg should take an quarterback, Josh Allen? Yeah, I'm actually pretty fine, but I'm not catching any else on that. Yet. Bills fans get at me. I didn't say I was stupid. I just, you know, I wouldn't trade it up for any with, but so during the strikes, I want to say maybe three fourths of the way through. I tweeted the screen shot and I was like, Lear all the I was feeling like I had two beers, you know is like, so I shouldn't beers. Yeah. So you know not only had like three ticking tenders so's rolling. And I tweeted that I was like giants fans where you had mentioned now really like manning jobs, like at thirty yard touchdown. Followed by two point conversion basically, guaranteed out having fun. I still, I'm not. I'm not taking any else. I still think I'm right. And I feel like everyone kind of agrees now that taking saquon Barkley who's who's been fine. He's he's been a little bit depended on chunk plays not like super consistent. I still think he's good, which was talk. Gurley rookie season was what like that as well, that I I, it's very evident to me that they should not have taken it. Right. And do you like how could you disagree with meanwhile, sick one's been very good and I'm not going to solely disagree with you. But if I were to Cape up and take the saquon side, which is the no quarterback side. Exactly. I think the bigger problem is not that you didn't get Sam darnold over saquon Barkley so he didn't. Do you went into a preseason with Davis Webb as your backup option, at least if you're not gonna, get Sam darnold get a Mason Rudolph, ceiling shocking. Do you know who the backup quarterback is for the New York Giants? Right now, it's not data's what you got cut Kyle Ouda. No, no. He's on New England something called Alex Tanny who's Alex to something called Alex Tanny. And I think to me to me, I think it's TA and y. I'm looking at him keep talking up. So I think if you're good ago, the saquon route, if you're going to go the saquon route and saquon to his credit has played to the level of a number two overall pick, then you've got to at least get a quarterback that's going to push ally manning some. And I know the I take thing to do is a cabernet. This is such a great happening spot and yes, but how about instead of worrying about getting something better. Than Eli manning, if that's really going to be your strategy and you wanna keep up ally manning and give them weapons, then why don't you get somebody better than Davis Webb once you get somebody better than Alex Tanny, why don't you draft a quarterback if it doesn't, if if it's not in the first round health second round, is that too much to ask? Yeah, I'm gonna lay off this age thing soon. But Alex Tanny is thirty. He's clearly the future the future, like tastes them hill twenty year old days. Him hill is the quarterback of the future for New Orleans or teddy man. I really wanted them to make a run at teddy. I like there was a little bit of cross town. Maybe they won't do it. But like not only because I during the saints game house like man, I wish teddy was someone Rica play because he was really excellent or in the preseason. But because he is an actual quarterback of the teacher, he's really young should good a quarterback because of the salary cap ramifications because that's cheap code. That's a Russell Wilson template. The Rams are doing the shot. Maybe won't work out, but buddy. But I say quantum been good. It's. He's always been more than goods. I mean look like. So in two thousand seventeen giants average just over twenty four, rushing attempts per game. Three point nine yards per carry this year. They're averaging under twenty and it's three point eight yards per carry. Now again, that's not a saquon Barkley so I'm not blaming him for that. It's this team is falling behind you. Got, you know what I manning, you know having to throw try throw themselves to come like in its and I don't think this offense of line has been what it was cracked up to be after they paid soldier and drafted, we'll Hernandez who grew. They like go is actually been extremely good in Seattle, always make it about Seattle, but. Somehow become good. Yeah, yeah. Over now that he's he's becomes a fluker. Do you think he gets picked up? He's Rosenhaus says there's a lot of teams interested in, probably Seattle. I don't know. I just think, yeah, I'm with you on your tape. There should have been some quarterback sexy conversation is you should've taken darnold, but okay, that's not forget. Donald. Pick whoever take backs and take Allen, even I don't care up and do some right up and get Lamar Jackson, I think is. I have to. It's it's it's a little bit more of a boring take, but it's okay. It is what it is. They got saquon are you really prepared to go into a season in which if manning doesn't work, your best option is Alexander and that to me is it's not so much. They didn't get Samed Arnold. It's they didn't get Kevin HOGAN for Christ sakes Allen, who is thinking in upgrade Brugh that his, oh Rogan? Yeah. Yeah. Is he? No, he he saw on the rush to raise the number three, no. Where's he might be back? I know that he took in Tampa tickets meeting with Tampa cage. He didn't text me that, well, this is a divisional match up as bad division by the way and and the because it's a bad division is number one reason why I think the eagles need to go all out here because to me, they're clearly the best team they should and obviously been struggling and everyone's kind of freaking out because what's going on. So I just thinking about that a lot. Okay. Like what's wrong with the eagles. And it's it's very hard for people describe because it's like a lot of tiny things like death by thousand cuts, like just lightly worse than everything to be quite Frank. The pass rush was really good against Minnesota. Actually, they were Kirk cousins, mountains, but the entire game. But before that game, it had not been good and they're, they have third, worst pressure percentage in the NFL right now, but that's that's going to go up and it has gone up a little bit into Ghada was out and they're, you know, they're still guys coming back from injury. I think Brandon, Graham took a second to kind of come all the way back from his injury. Obviously. Went seven setback online. You have to say back online. Making fun of disease. That's not like normal term. I've started incorporating into my vernacular. It's very like business thing actually coming back on 'em wise, Michael Bennett allowed to wear a uniform like that. I have a one to not what's going on and it allowed to wear that their punter pads, I believe I remember. 'cause obviously a question Seattle, everything. He's been doing this cutting off his pants. He has a slid down the middle of like, I guess he doesn't want that them by the back of his knees. I think the secondary's huge issue. Obviously, teams have throwing it Jalen mills and just destroying him. City Jones is not been great. So far on the other side of the ball, the offensive line, they bench wiz Stephen whiskey. I just tried to say it really quickly because I was doing a house, his last name, putting Isaac swell. I don't wanna say, but there's, you know, they're not all the way there. And of course it was actually, it's been pretty good too. I think he's fine, but he still have him back. So it's like a lot of little things they had like it's weird penalties. Okay. That's not a sexy, fun thing to say about team like disciplined, but it's true. All that said they don't have a running back now. A job is out small woods, not at every down back. I think they should trade for Levy on bell. Am I do disagree with because it seems to be a controversial like not everyone agrees to me. It seems like a no brainer. No-brainer. Okay. Too. Because his team that just won the Super Bowl, so it's not like, should we shouldn't? We? Are we on the cusp where we real, you know, you're for real. You're got the Super Bowl championship down two months ago. Well, that's another thing that lost their coordinator and stuff, but Peterson, us call poisoning ways so they should we find there with what sort of jumping out a patient runner might not be the worst thing in the world for the head off as yes, I'm so yeah, they should absolutely go for it in trying to break down this game. It seems as though the season on the line game is for Philadelphia. This week. Would you would you say they're, they're back to you, and so you're Lemus straps admit in an effort to get in the next few weeks. So you're doing good. I think that game already came and went for New York. Fortunately, they lost by sixty three yard field goal, Clint so close up shop who do you trust a win, a really important games, Hoover bowl champions or that mess in Shurmur. So with Dell, it would obviously be a rental is they're not gonna pay him as a Tina thirty seconds and cap space. Next year leaks would heed the prior to give Blake a second or third, right? Because if the is hold onto Emily, let them walk. She was another team that needs him, right? So they're weighing, it's all a calculation of if they let him walk, they Compaq possibly third, but it depends on whether they acquired a free agents like, do you think it'd be worth it for Philadelphia to give up a second round pick? Let's put it there for just half a season. Plus the postseason of Philadelphia would get a compensatory pick he walks? Yeah, it depends on what they do it. Yeah, it's not truly like you're losing a second round up. Yeah, I think so. There there go for mode. Yeah, they were already one. You now have the championship DNA championship DNA reverse. You know, have the championship DNA. You have the faith that things are gonna go well for you just because they've worked out for you in the past. Absolutely go for lay the on because small woods not that kind of back Clement. I like a lot and he can do some of the things in the passing game that Levy on could believe he owns a very special player. Everyone's. Getting all hot and bothered saying lady on kind of played himself because Connor has been really good, rushing and put up some performances that even lady on campus on the ground. But he gives you so much more than just rushing. I would love to see lady on Belen Doug Peterson offense, whether loved allergy really interesting because I think they would get them out in space and he would actually wait for his blocks to and that would be a sort of nightmare. Yes. And then without sproles they could use them more as receiver to he would just be really nice for Carson Wentz to have that outlet and I came from Jason. Yeah, was Jason Peters. I think it was the offensive line's. Chris is he was a wolf Carson's been holding onto the ball, kinda like subtle area was just like, we're going to buy more time. I don't know. It was weird. It was gonna be hurt lot of Jason Peters. It was weird the way to the Super Bowl. He did. Yes, they did this without. I started picking against eagles everything. They also did without Carson Wentz actually, but actually Carson Wentz hasn't. He's been getting rid of it pretty quickly. So I, I think it would just be kind of a jolt. It's such a cliche. I'm not. You know what I mean? But I do think they, they have been using the running backs. They're receiving game, but they haven't been giving them as many carries. They probably need to keep that offense on schedule to what we're saying. We're worried about them being able to survive the loss of JJ and they have to go out and get lady on belt when they win the Super Bowl without Jason Peters without Carson once and they're in. I don't wanna say is the most winnable division in football right now, but this is going to be the ugly, a Nate team is gonna on week. Seventeen is going to be flexed. Yes, because Nate, they have a shot to win the division. Now we're gonna have to watch like, and it's going to be Alex Smith. Okay. What I? Yeah. So I'm going Philadelphia in this game, but I'd like to see them make that trade with tough thing for road favorites, went on a short week, but I think. Like I said, I'm just gonna trust Philadelphia to win the game that they absolutely have to get over over the giants. All right. Now, final segment. Okay. And now it signed for Dinxin dunks I'm getting paid for this. Right. Thank you. Okay, so I just have five questions for you. All right, breezy. Question number one. Do you have a second favorite team Brown's like another NFL team? They team of my second favorite team. Araj IRS is my second favorite team, but don't you get frustrated watching the packages? No, I I love Aaron and cover your ears. Your coaches betrayed, you. Coaches betrays ESI from he was sassy. Last game this year. No, he's gonna defensive as he damn well, should be eras. My second favorite football team followed by. Honestly. I like I really like watching Russell Wilson too. So. Yeah, I, I guess it would be a Packers and Seahawks in that grouping just because, but I support the quarterback's. The quarterback's. Yeah, it's like basketball style. I've always liked Brown by the way. They've always been like a second team to me because I like the fans like I, I just respect that you don't think we're wishy washy. Now if you listen if you stuck with him in any regard like God bless you. Second question. This is for our listeners, which member of the shipping container container would you bring with you if you had to get in a fight, need someone to back you up. Fat. Chris, really? Yeah. Over ROY fact, Kristie because I've seen fed Chris rise to the occasion anytime we do any sort of physical challenge other than the race. What other physical challenges? These race? Everybody. Okay. And he's a pretty decent athlete. You gotta hit off a Matt lados. You know that right now I gotta hit off them out lados is he like Strong's? Actually, he's got deceptive height. We know the deceptive speed already. It sounds so deceptive. Now everyone's game planning for it does have deceptive height. He's he was telling me the other day I was shocked. He says he's taller than drew Brees house like, no, but sure enough drew Brees. We like that are mere, Pablo. Just kidding. You answer that. Nobody really. I wanna know you don't have to end. You can tell me later after the show, nobody I do wanna know they just tell me, wink. If it's me, it's Foxworth. Okay. So our dogs roll my Laney have never met. Do you think if they met with like each other in what they date? Oh, man, I might dog can't really meet other dogs. Yeah, it's she's got an eye disorder right? She had when she was a puppy, so we can't really makes me really sad. We can't take her to dog parks above a boy kinda. You put her like, that would be so cute. If you put her at a bubble enrolled her on the dog. Yeah, I would love to. I can't really sad. 'cause she's on the leash whenever she sees another dog. She's like crazy. Jank Joe's wants to play with other dogs. Do you think she knows like how to act around them, then she gets she gets a lot of energy around it. Just one of these really slender frame. So I get worried, but she's she's got like one of these immune systems that we had to suppress her Munis. So if she gets a rabies shot, he won't just like your it won't be prevented a preventative measure. It did actually give a rabies. Yeah, it's like one of those teen novels were like, you know, kind of sickness Lenny's not very good with other dogs in my presence is like an adopted. Dog thing, I don't take it either personally as a negative or a positive. He's very bad around underdogs win. I'm there. But then when I leave him at the dog park, and then I see video or something. I think I told you that one time he led a hump train like these, the alpha and the when I show up there. They're always like all the dogs love Lenny, and I'm like, that's crazy. I don't get to see that, but it's it's painful for me. What is your best Halloween costume that you've ever read a William caused him that I ever had? I was Rick Pitino. I just I would look like a vampire who had closed on done to the point that it was like, okay, but it was only like twelve seconds, super. By the way, just introduced the term home train into this podcast without explaining it. So I just want to back that up professional podcasting to be specific. He led a train of dogs humping each other and he was in the back. Okay. Final question. What is your worst memories around spin? Oh, the one playoff game Crispell macho. Ma a follow scoring. A touchdown. Kelly Holcomb dropping back to pass finding a wide open Andre king who slips on the terrible field that was covered in snow and mud and couldn't get out of bounds and time that to me also losing the team in that team moving to Baltimore winning two Super Bowls bonus question, do you think you would get too nervous if you guys had Baker Mayfield on the show? Like would you be? I would get Starshine professional store. I know that's why that's why I'm asking you this store people, but I know how you are about him. I thought I would be that way with Aaron Rodgers when he called in and he was such a cool guy that I was immediately comfortable. I thought it'd be nervous when he called in and shot the bleep with him. And he was really, really fun. Baker is already getting to that point and Baker sort of starting to transcend sports a little bit. And I say that because I've been, I've been. I've been a Browns fan all my life, and I've been with my wife or sixteen years, and she is never cared to watch Cleveland Browns game. Never. I don't know if it's hard knocks, but she is in on Baker Mayfield and she's finally watching Browns games with me. So it's a big deal. I text her eight Baker did this. I, I send her stills from Instagram stories that Baker had them like, can you believe it's kills them fortnight's then those me too, and I don't wanna see them. All right. Before we hit the music record production for the season, it Browns for the Brown. I think. Six months, just six. What you're just you're under. Shoot, you don't really. I know you think they're going to win. We're gonna lose a whole. We're gonna lose a whole.

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Bootleg with Mina Kimes (Ep. 3)

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Bootleg with Mina Kimes (Ep. 3)

"Hey, it's Mike Ryan from the Dan lebatardshow and my friend. Meantime, she as a brand new podcast, and I don't know how it happened, but she invited me on it's because she wants to God's on and she doesn't have the guts to just ask you got. So she feels like she has build up towards you. Got so take a listen and be sure to leave a review. Subscribe to a to be nice guys or mom reads every comment. Hello. Welcome back. This is leg with me and it comes and recording live from Miami. I guess this week who is sitting across from me shimmying was interested me is Mike Ryan, the producer of the lebatardshow. Mike. On a scale one through ten, how hard does my song slap it slaps ten times over. Is it a bop or a banger? Slobber. Lapper. It's a slapper. It's good music. I love that. It's really good. Right? It's really good. Do you think it goes with my personality? Absolutely. That's what makes it so good. Thank you. Thank you. Everyone keeps saying is really diseconomies, which I think is an insult to mute is it is an insult to you. All right. Like I'm here just so you can build up to stugatz and if you want to build up the guys, you need to stop using big words like this incongruous I use decontextualize knockabout quarterback play on HQ. And as soon as I said it, I felt like I looked at the feedback and I saw public stories ghost on the screen, and I hated myself before we get into things with Mike and football related. Thank you to everybody who sent a question. There were a lot of questions, which is basically my ploy to get ratings and reviews to boost my podcasts because I heard somebody told me that that works so, but I am going to answer. So it's too many questions to answer all at once will brag, but I'm going to answer leg ten of them in a row chronologically. I will answer them all. So keep listening. You're gonna have a mail bag segment. I'm not calling it a mailbag. I haven't caught that of like a cute name. Well, either way the concept seems revolutionary. The first does not only as the first podcast exist is the first mailbag to exist on our podcast. I mean, they're a great question. Like for example, Christmas clause asked who would win in a dance contest between Jamison fits. Obviously, these questions were sent about a week and a half ago when they were topical, does Shawn could dress fits a caveat? And is this how all quarterback controversy should be decided? Obviously, yes, I love that. He include could've been she Christmas clause. I don't wanna. I don't want to. I love that they incorporated the notion of DeShaun dressing fists as 'cause I don't know if you relate to this, but I am the type of person where I much better if I'm wearing like a costume and I can kinda inhabit the spirit Beulah mask theory for the actor. Well, it was like, you remember the time. I was Elmo on this show although I was terrible that day. Embodied Elmo. You weren't Meena. I think you became Elmo. It was so bad too, because as you notice it blocked my peripheral vision and a lot of doing the lebatardshow for people who watch is there's a lot of interaction between the shipping container were Mike sits and people in the studio. And because I had oblong shape literally could not turn my head to the right. Well, I got to answer the question though. Fits are insecure in the mail bag segment. The teaser to the mail banker you, you know what? The appetite, radio, one and one maybe. So one would assume when we. Per stereotypes would play against Ryan Fitzpatrick. But after that eat the w thing that he did, I shake it. I can't shit every time I look at a man. It's so appalling. Do you think is teammates think about that when it drives like call play in the you can't get past the team has background. Ryan Fitzpatrick is definitely like the old like the white guy at the wedding hits the Kwan. Kwan's once get hit. I don't know, really put it on the poll. I'll go with Fitzpatrick. Who do you think is the best dancer of any quarterback in the NFL before we move onto the football, I was not prepared for this Baker Mayfield. Have you seen the gifts have you? Did you see him at the? I haven't seen rookie showcase whatever word you just said. I haven't seen. I have seen some gifts of Baker mayfield's dancing. So the recall them, the New York Giants. The reason do you call them the New York guy. You might be wondering after all this stash, he's giving me why is he here? But it's for reason. Mike Ryan is a huge NFL fan, and most of our communication is about either our dogs or the NFL specifically the Browns. I made the mistake of expressing like socially some interest in his team. And as a consequence, he now texts me between five and seven times a day really obscure, not even exciting Brown's news. The other day. So I'm on Pacific time, and I think I was woken up at like three AM to a Mike Ryan text about, I don't like a practice squad guy getting lows during the summer, so thank you for that. But yeah, you are the biggest Browns fan probably at ESPN. Is that fair? I don't know any other ones. Yeah. I don't know. Keith in fantasy might have something to say about that. Keith law Keith Lipscomb. He's our fantasy guru guy here who helps us research in. Yeah, he's he's a huge Browns guy. All right. Well, you got some competition, but so obviously we're gonna. This is going to be the most Brown's talk, however long. This podcast last, we will never have more Browns. Talk than this moment, sorry and no, but we will talk about, you know, five games per usual. We'll do Thursday night football at which is a good game. I'd say at the end. Is it a good? You know, it's not really. Good game, patriots. She's spry the best game of the weekend, probably. Although actually think charges around give. So that's gonna be the funnest game, the chargers browsers. We know exactly how that came about that. Well, okay. So yeah, let's start there chargers at Browns. Wow. This has polish. The wanted to add imaging. Because when I listened, I went back and listen to ipod guys, and I felt like the transitions, we're too subtle and that people could benefit from some demarcation, but man that is abrupt emails to voice over artists color emails every week. Hey, can you give us chargers at Browns? And no one ever thinks to repurpose just him saying chargers from the previous week at from the previous week from the previous Mike? Can I just tell you that when I told her that we were going to get Cutler to do voiceovers? She definitely thought I was talking about j. j. what's he doing. Reasonable for the best. I think I wrote back to her. You don't have the budget for that. Cutler ESPN asks me too. Can you imagine? I don't know, fantasy focus and all of a sudden they're like. Let's talk with the Browns. The first question I wanna ask you. Is just looking back. So I went back and I looked at all the Browns drafts over the last five years. And you know, we got, we got we. We got Justin Gilbert. We got me Ingo who's actually been okay on the Seahawks. Obviously, Menzel, Corey Columbia's disaster central. Do you think that this last draft is the best Brown's draft of all time and could potentially change the direction of the franchise forever is already is talk about it. I was so sad when I want to Baker Mayfield number one. But when the Browns played Hasaan Bradley Chubb and took Denzel ward a smaller corner out of Ohio State. I was really mad about that and quarter into the season. I'm so sorry, John Dorsey. Yeah, he's already the best corner in this division. Is that a stretch to say, okay, Steelers? Yes, bangles maybe. No, no, that's fair core. Yeah, I would say the ravens Jimmy Smith just came back is quite good. That's secondary's pretty good, but yet it's not a great not at night. A lot of good corners trick. That's why said that? What makes them so good? Like why? What do you what is so good? If I'm with his ability to tackle, goes for the shoulder tackle, probably a little too much, especially for a smaller guy like him, but he's a, he's a playmaker man. He's a ball hawk. He's gonna get thrown on sometimes which you know ball hawks to do, but I'm just so impressed by his ability to seal the edge every time and over the last few years, a running back got out to the outside our our corner certainly wasn't gonna, stop them and he's assure tackler and even though he's not the tallest guy, he's very long and lanky. Right. I think like five, eleven or something. I remember during the draft thinking goes for all these kill shots to I don't understand it. He loves hype himself up his booming hits on soc. Media. I don't understand it at all, but he's a part of the greatest Brown's draft class ever. And you could already say that because the quarterback hasn't embarrassed him self yet yet yet. But I don't think it's going to happen. The defense for a second because I look agree. It's a phenomenal draft already. I who's. Who else do they drink? Callaway I was gonna say Calloway who's been a little inconsistent and sometimes plays turn out to go disastrous a ball bouncing off of his hands into the arms of defender for pick six that happened in Oakland, some bad drops along the way, but just what he did in New Orleans with the game on the line. Catching slightly overthrown pass from tyrod Taylor and getting his speed in the end zone. He's, he was. He's one of those John Dorsey guys, all the talent in the world, very high ceiling, lots of off the field concerns. Well, the thing is the two thousand seventeen draft is now showing out, right? So Garrett we knew was you know freak. He's like one of those I hate using. It's such a cliche to call a guy like him a freak, but then you watch them. You only also free like, no, he's absolutely a free. A peppers is planned that little better now. That's what I wanted time about because I feel like it really hard on him. And when I went back and watched some. Of the ravens game. He was really fun around there. You know, he's really good against the run, and you know he's a little bit dicey and coverage. I know you've been angry about some of the returns, but the in that's stop using him that right, but but do can lay the would. And I think he really benefits from the presence of ward and I think Randall has been played Randall unleashing him brindles essentially a part of our draft class from last year because you use Kaiser to get Randall and then you know, David, Joe coups he's, I wouldn't say he's completely well. He was what he first round actually. So I don't think he's quite lived up to his draft status yet, but there's potential there now that he has a quarterback our beloved. Larry Jobe was also a classic twenty. Seventeen. So you know you're seeing these picks. It is funny because I don't really think it was like they were necessarily bad picks at the time. It was more just, you know that they didn't have. I mean, it is amazing. The effect that, I guess a quarterback to quite like and have on the rest of the team. I think this defense has the potential. To be a top ten defense in the NFL I was pointed, they're currently so a DVD away, which is football outsiders efficiency metric. Finally, starting to matter now because through the first four weeks doesn't take into account competition, so it's not entirely useful. Now we're starting to get that. They are second in Devi away, right? Thirtieth and offense, but that reflects we'll get out. But you know, this is a team, their fourth in passing defense, seventh, seven, rushing devious. They're balanced there. Total yardage numbers are not like you're twenty six passing yards per game, but that doesn't matter. You wanna look at the efficiency numbers. I think they're still just twenty seconds stack ratio. So I think you could see some improvement there in the past rush. Do you think Garrett the combination Garrett oaken Jobe has that lived up to your expectations and Ogbeh has been hurt for much of this year and he's starting to work his way back. I think we're probably playing Myles Garrett a little bit too much. If you see the snap count, it's a great. Yes. Why? Because I, they found. It to be a good idea to cut Nate orchard and call a massive in the preseason. And soon as Agua went down, you realize probably not the greatest thing in the world because I don't think Garrett missed a snap following the injury when he when they played at New Orleans. And I think the sack production would come if you gave Myles Garrett a little bit of rest because he's not one of these leaner pass rushers. He's also a pass rusher. That's really good against the run. He works really hard. He doesn't check out as soon as the quarterback hands it off. So that's hard to do for a guy that's on the edge. So you need to give them as much as possible? Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, he was an early tender, not just I think, for defensive, MVP defensive. Sorry, can you is that he was an early favorite for defensive MVP who was one I don't want. He wasn't certainly not one or two max stole everybody's. That's gone, but I think you're right if they don't ease up on his usage, especially down. On the road and they don't. They do don't really have a lot of deaths on that defensive line. Another thing that jumped out to me from the ravens game was the offensive line in particular. The left tackle Desmond Harrison, right? John Dorsey special. He got worked by drew, media rolled drill sucks. That's a hormone, and that's a concern for me going for with Baker. Now. Now we talk about Baker, which is that I, the offensive line is fine, but I think you're starting to see some cracks in that starting to affect his accuracy in his play, and I wouldn't pin that on Mayfield. I would pin that on his protection, very, absolutely nailed it though, with Harrison, low risk. Guys, we're talking about Terrell suggs, right? That's not the easiest matchup for anybody. And that's a, that's a really good solid defense. It's going to play pressure on an offensive line from all sides. How will this is thirty. That's insane, and he looks every bit of it. And so big and strong actually thought I n- grading on a curve, but Harrison was fine. I got really encouraged by the fact that he's been calling Joe Thomas and getting tips every week from Joe Thomas on how to block guys. Subs is a guy that Joe Thomas is blocked actively and Erikson's, you know, not terrible for the first week, I think, worked as a little too strong Baker. It's good to have a quarterback. Answer me this. Why is Baker more effective at getting away from pass rushers than tyrod because tyrod nickname is t mobile when he makes up his decision to actually go run its effective, but in terms of being able to move around in the pocket bakers already surpassed him, I have a lot of thoughts on that because, but it basically was sacked five times in that ravens game. I mean, I, that's too much pressure his, you know it. I like him a lot. I think he's great, but it for him to develop and continue progressing. You can't have that, I guess. So granted, the ravens are one of the better defenses in the NFL tyrod a it is a really good question the game where he was so terrible and got hurt, and Baker went in. I think he actually got rocked pretty hard early on might have been hurt. He was not. I I know I get accused of being tyrod defender, and I don't think he's a great quarterback. I think he can be of good quarterback in the right situation, but what you're seeing out of him, what you saw. I think it's some of these Browns games and you saw sort of towards the end of his bills career was he was trying too hard. Hard to not run to not be that guy because he was told told, but basically offense coordinator for so long and up, especially towards again, the end of his tenure in buffalo were not. We're asking to not do that to say in the bucket to be a pocket passer difference for like a rhythm quarterback, and that's not who he is. And I think sometimes if your quarterback who is mobile quarterback and you are forced into a box, you start playing against your own skill set. And I really think that's what we saw with Taylor to be quite Frank near the end of it fields probably going to get beat up a little bit. In this game, even though that the chargers are without Bosa the Browns offensive line does like to do this thing where they just forget to block and edge rusher occasionally and credit to Baker. Even in overtime, he was able to turn some plays out. I really liked to see Duke Johnson get more involved in the office. He signed that three year extension. He's been largely invisible despite leading the team in snap in snaps last week, he's not. Yeah, he he had forty plus snaps last week, but he only had five Russia's. You only had the one catch. I feel like that is such a dangerous place, especially against a team like Los Angeles that struggles with pass. Catching running backs. This'll be a really good match up to get through Johnson involved, and it would be a hell of a way to help out that offensive line and you're young quarterback, how are they using all the running because going into the season, I was very confused by the Browns decision making through cards to paying signing running backs. They seem to have three hundred of them, and I haven't been tracking every now and look up. I'm like, oh. L. Carlos heights still pretty good. I always liked that guy or, oh there, no job as still on the team, like, how were they deploying them and how would you like for them to the point Ling? To me, I thought that the whole idea behind signing Carlos. I was, I think you had this exchange with me puzzled as to why they signed Carlos I and you told me his numbers outside of the shotgun in the shotgun formation are really good. So expected to see more shotgun with Carlos Hyde. I'm really confused as to how they're divvying up the snaps, Nick chub won rookie of the week with three rushes one hundred plus yards. I think the most frustrating part is getting to Johnson a little bit more involved, especially when you're you've lost Higgins. Now you're without Josh. Gordon Jarvis Landry is really a possession receiver, even though they're trying to use them kind of different and Calloway's young, why not even lineup do Johnson out wide a little bit because he's a really good receiver they need the help. Yeah. Well, are you happy with Todd Haley today to end? No, not really. Not. Not just yet. I'm happier with them now that I have a quarterback that's on holding onto the ball and is actually executing a little bit. Baker Mayfield say what you will, whether he, they nailed the number one pick or not. I think it's very clear. He's better than tyrod Taylor right now thinking quarterback too. I think pretty unequivocally at this point. I would go him. Darnold rose in. It's really hard to tell given now. I mean, more Jackson has he's been affected than call they're using. I mean, there's other aspects to his game. Yeah, and it's reputed to be a really good quarterback class. He's been. He's been. There's never been a time that you've point pointed to Baker Mayfield even when he had some turnovers against Oakland. I think all the one was explainable. One was at the end which was essentially an arm punt one went off the hands of in Tonio Calloway. The miscommunication with the center that just checked in the game was probably on him, but I point to his performances even against Baltimore when they're not putting up a lot of points on the board and say he did as good as he possibly could in that situation. I think this is gonna be a stiffer challenge might seem at the time out the chargers here because this is a team that's under performed so far this season relative there tell, obviously boasts been out. But last week he finally saw Melvin Ingram. Eat a little bit and they'd Derwin. James has been incredible. I, it is so so depressing to me that I think the Seahawks were one pick away from the seventeenth eighteenth and I felt as far as he did, I was freaking out on draft night. He's unbelievable. And he's been just such a multi purpose weapon for them and then Philip rivers. So I don't know if you know this, I'm like a huge Philip fans. I love him. I, I, I don't know if part of the reason I love him is I just respect his game so much in part of the reason I respect his game so much as he's just torn up Seattle like so often over the years. But I also just love his five, which is like what I hope to some day embody in that sort of spirit of like data at the soccer game who yells at the coach like and gets way to invest in the like I just there's something about I find him. So amusing, even though he's probably really unpleasant, seems very unpleasant to move to Los Angeles, which is a bummer because the charges belong in San Diego. But with the move to Los Angeles once-over lie. Mining is it's a smaller stadium and the microphones pick up rivers, so well on the sideline. You can hear him screaming at the refs almost crystal clear like I don't know what the chargers are. When I look through the box scores, they've lost the two best teams in the NFL in Kansas City and the Rams. And if you really look at those games, I know there were there was a double digit law suit, Kansas City, and the Rams had that game woolen hand, but they weren't just one or two plays it. If they go differently. The chargers fumbled a punt twice and it was inside their own red zone. They missed a field goal against Kansas City. Post-game. Philip rivers put voice to that saying, I'm kind of encouraged by how that game went despite the fact that we lost by ten points and there were the Derwin James as good as he's been. He took an interception out of the end zone and went out of bounds right at the one when he could just easily taken a knee and that ended up biting them instantly. So I think the chargers are pretty good. You mean to tell me that chargers special teams wasn't and they made some crazy fluky air that is shocking. You're right. And now looking back, obviously chasing the ramps are the two best teams NFL it's not particularly close. This is a rare game that the chargers actually had the better special teams because brands I don't even, yeah, her dead last in the NFL and they're twice as bad as the second closest team before we move on. I just rivers, I think is quietly having a very Philip rivers season four QBR fifth in yards per attempt. Six in completion percentage. Second impasse rating against the raiders. He completed eighty percent of his passes for three hundred thirty nine yards. And I think it was from PF. He was seven for eight Onder pressure for one hundred sixteen yards. So this is a challenge for the young bucks, but we'll see how that goes. We spent a lot of time in this game time. Well, even wanted the Browns. So you can hear the people unsubscribe. Okay. On to the next game, Jay Cutler, please weigh-in. On not Jay Cutler, Jay Cutler Panthers had Redskins. I do you think Jay Cutler would do that read there would be a drag of a cigarette before and you would hear. Lil Wayne starts rapping and his mic saves by lighter something similar to that Wayne star of ESPN interviews. I think it'd be something like. They're making news. I was so confused by this letter that Johnny Manziel wrote the Baker Mayfield Lil Wayne is next to. I can't wait what's next interview in which a superstar. You're saying work because he got him while comfortable and he said, great stuff. All right. I think Jay would do it like this. I don't know Panthers resident, who cares? All right. The Redskins I was much more excited to talk about this game before the Redskins looked freaking terrible, and we'll talk a little bit more about the Panthers than the skins. But the thing I wanted to say. So before the game, I was like, pulling your stash, and I was like, wow, there I in passing yards per game. They really were and third in yards per rush, which means the run defense has been really good. Actually run defense was pretty good against the saints, and then they come out and they laid stinker and it got me thinking like. Kirk cousins that it was never him. It was always the team, and that was just the spirit of the team in having which is the guy who we look at the statistics. You're like, well, he's actually pretty good, and then you put them on TV and he does something terrible. And I really, I think that's just Washington football. I don't is Washington go to be the scene that we just don't get a read on all season. One hundred percent, Jason Witten said something during the broadcast that made a little bit of sense to me just from what I had seen, which is this is a match up nightmare. The New Orleans Saints for Washington, they are going to match up so much better against a team like Carolina USA, and you break down this game Carolina's really good at Russian the ball. I think they might be near the top of the league if not the best. And that's a real strength in terms of stopping the run yet for Washington. So I'm excited to see Christian McCaffrey and how they actually start using them. Are they going to use? The sort of air quotes runs, which is just swing passes because they're not going to be able to get anything really going on the ground. How much is Cam Newton actually runs? I'm really excited about this. Matchup even though I think it might be an ugly game, the Josh Norman, revenge. At extremely ugly game. So I, I'm glad you mentioned Cam running and the use of Christian mccaffery because I have to take a couple of elves. That should be a segment on the show like Meena taking. I take. I Jay Cutler. Catching ills weather around. No, but I do have to catch up, blows on the Panthers two things really one. I thought this offense of line would be terrible. And most people thought that they lost everyone before the season, you know, nor was gone. Dare Williams got hurt whatever, and slot. Ann Taylor Moton. This offense of line has been often awesome. Football outsiders has them as the number one run blocking unit in the NFL. I think PF regards him highly as well. So I was completely incorrect about that. And I think it plays into the next thing. I'm about to say the success of the offensive line plays a little bit into the next thing I've out today, which is north Turner, a north core which hasn't caught on, but I'm gonna keep saying it has actually been pretty good. And so I saw someone posted today. The statistics are from pro football focus. I can't remember who posted it that the Panthers, like most good teams in the last week, but not every other week. Are you finally using play action more with Cam Newton? And he's been so grey with it like, Aw, so many quarterbacks. So in two thousand seventeen, they ran it on seventeen percent of his attempts hit a ninety. Six point seven passer rating when he did it this year. Newton is using play action on twenty eight percent of his attempts and his passer rating is on her thirty six. So yeah. So like I again, so catch on. I gotta catch on the offense of line, but I think it also plays into their using play action. Norv Turner has been better than I thought, which is part of the reason why I think this this offense has actually been pretty good moten. You mentioned pro football focus, believe pro football focus grades about to be the best tackle out either on the left or right side as soon as he made that switch to right. He's been the best, but the offensive line might have a whole for this game, and it's their center. Khalil he's he's hampered by an injury, and that's a satisfied you're gonna have to watch. Typically when I bet for entertainment purposes, if a team is missing their center, I automatically fade them. I think this is one of those random games, Washington ends of winning that center thing is really interesting. I've seen about that watching the Cowboys because I think the Travers Frederick injury is we underestimate I think centers and everything that they do in terms of calling out protections and sort of establishing the tone for an offensive line, and you really see the Dallas than I do wonder if that's going to be a huge issue in Carolina as well. One area where they don't have a problem with special teams were you so okay, I want to talk about the good. Oh, kick really quickly because I, I don't know if this is unusual and I want to write about you. I never unless it's my team and I really care. I never root for a kicker. Demus never is I, I just, I think it's like I'm too much of a softie, but if breaks my heart. Yeah, seeing kicker Ben really understand what's happening in. This league because you move the extra point back a few yards and all of a sudden it's just mess with everyone psyche. It's unsettled everybody. It's almost as if you remember if you watch NBA TV, you're shocked. Every time Michael Jordan misses a free throw. And that's what I remember the NFL being just free in blitz. It was just free because it's always made the extra points. And I felt like kickers were never this bad. I don't know. I feel like it's one of those things where we're like they're so bad. But then if you look at statistics, they're actually not worse. You know, I, it's like, hell. Everyone's like SNL sucks now. But then if you go back ten years, people are like used to be better in the eighties. And if you go to the eighties like it was better than new, I think that's like one of those recency bias voice. Where did I didn't have to do that whole lesson on it. But yeah, I, I don't know. I don't know what the deal is, but look, it's certainly clearly not an issue for Carolina. Last thing I'll say about this team is that you there become those teams where the you, you think the defense is better than the offense because that's always been the case. It's really not been this year. This second tier snap salute disaster. Although James bradberry held up pretty good against Oto Beckham junior, but you in read obviously, was just added right at it. The speaking of old guys by the way, Mike Adams, similarly, intercept Avmark items. So picked off Eli manning twice, thirty seven years old. I made that up, but I think I looked it up during the game because I was so confused. Okay. So I think my presence on this podcast is just like an off ramp on the way to Stu gods, which is what all the guests on the show have been building up to one takeaway that I have so far two and a half episodes in. You're not saying who you think is gonna win. All that often have to say that. Okay, game previews. And I know it's not. But if you're trying to attract a su- God's, if you're if you're leaving, sue got strap. You need to tell me who's going chargers for the last game by the way in. Yeah, I did. I only pick that Philip rivers is going to have the ball down a score with seconds left. It's been too long since we've had one of those. True. It's and certainly the Browns would be good. I mean, it's really hard not to Washington after what we saw last night. Although I don't think that was necessarily indicative dicey Washington. I make Washington. Well, we're doing power rankings, and and I think your line is one of those teams where nobody really knows if they're good, right. It's the record, was that a sleepy game against the giants was that season on the line game for the giants. I just allies. Like if I think that was the giants I thirty point game in two years address, I twenty five plus yard touchdown through the air since week, five of last year and Odell Beckham through it. So I, I did go with Carolina. I have a lot of concerns about this defense. Yeah, I, I was just saying the secondary is terrible. The pass rush has also been absent right eight, which is against something we typically associated team, having good pass, rush, Thomas Davis who's gosh. Mike Adams sold cut. Oh, forty, five. So he's back. Julius peppers. Oh my God, Greg Olsen is back to. Does the average age of the pants you talk in this thing? I'm going Washington. I'll go girl and I think I don't know. The office has really been clicking in for the reasons you describe it, I think is going to be in this podcast drops on Thursday, can I just monitor a Khalil's health and if Khalil's out it's a, it's a surefire washing, three entertainment purposes. All right. Before we get to the final three games, I'm in my mail bay now sensitive about having a mailbag just call a mill bag. What's right? Just wrote questions. Overproduce it. Okay. If you have like a cute name tweeted at me, but like nothing weird question is always. Tiny that Jay Cutler. I gotta hire like Jake color impersonator. All right. So I'm gonna just burn through these. 'cause like I said, it's a lot, so I'm not going to dwell on them too much. Baba. Fifty five asks what nicknames did you have growing up? They're all so embarrassing. A lot of people call them in my initials m k Burns's Meena. All right. Matthew reader asked Ken the ravens offense specifically flacco keep this up all year. Clearly reader asked that before. These were these committed before last Sunday? No. So. Oh, yeah. There you go, ding, ding, renovate, j. somebody's going to do a really obscene name and I'm just gonna read it. And that's terrible, asks with the NFL standard of using cheap quarterback contracts to the bears, wait until the end of the season to see if trubisky's the guy. I love that conversation in general, and and that's a longer about the corporate contract sent and whether or not you should have it rookie like always try to always have required, frankly. But yeah, they're going to say with Tubassi for pucker than this season regardless of how he does any s. three one asked me what my favorite Connie album is feels. I'm interested. Dropout would be, my guess is my favorite. I my my controversial take is that eight and heartbreaks is great album. Really? Yeah. People. You wear the the main theme? Oh, no, I'm not because my favorite kind of albums actually eases and that is very minority. Somebody should come on. Let's the latest one called. I forget the one that's coming out on that just came. Yeah, somebody should put if I said, yeah. Would you walk out of the alright PJ? Oh, the eighty seven. The difficult asks will Rogers win another Super Bowl in Green Bay. Ooh, I don't in Green Bay is, oh, yeah, Shing part of it, right? Because you know, there's no quarterbacks. There's no Super Bowls in green may have now. Yeah. Does. I mean because they're not gonna have the Super Bowl ingred. Okay. I used to a little loophole there. Jeremy Lanchester asks power rankings for chicken restaurants, Chick-fil-A raising cane's Zaks fees in urban XP's. Popeye's KFC are Emily does piece is I'm not a liar and I've never been there. I'm number one. If you're trying to get Stu gods on this podcast, you need to develop some sort of opinion on Zack. Spy's spy. You never being. Is that Miami Florida a couple of Zack's spy's down south, not necessarily Miami. I've seen a few in Broward. Have you gonna raising cane's that's like a southern. I have not been raised, and I've heard good things about, right. I'm gonna go Chick-fil-A, raising cane's Popeye's Casey captain Maddelo asks, what did you think of Rosen's I start again, this was before the last game, so I see. I see him. I thought he was good in the CIC man. Always going to be two weeks back. I'm trying to meet. Don't ask time since questions guys. That's the lesson going forward. It's. Questions going. I travel backwards in time. I thought he was actually really sharp in that game and the receivers. Let him down dropped a few passes Deemak six rather give up teaser condiments. Wow. Condiments. Jesse. James. 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So obviously the Rams were interesting team here, but Broncos are on my bleep lists. What is what is like if you had to just before we get to the ramps, if you had to summarize the identity of the Denver Broncos right now, like how would you describe them as a team? What are they good at her identity is running the ball. I'm loved the rushing attack rice Royce and Lindsay. I'm a fan. They should be doing that. Hell of a lot more. Their identity is running the ball really well and case keenum doing disastrous things. So many turnovers from case keenum and he's a quarterback that very clearly needs everything to go. Right or him. Yeah. And even then when everything's going right heel, so sale a game winning pass on Monday night, twenty yards past the intended receiver into the sands. He's bad. This team is bad. Von Miller can't get to the quarterback. I think von Miller might be hurt eating. So I think he might be, I know his game. It showed up. I don't think he's had a sack and three games you showed up on the injury report for the first time. I wouldn't be surprised I, I was combing through a bunch of Broncos preview stuff because I struggled with outside of Saint. I like the running game. What do I say about this team other than wolf? Well, and it's, I don't think von Miller is hurt, and a lot of people have followed. This seem don't. They don't think that von Miller is healthy. I tend to do a wolf. I think it was the last podcasts, but I got the inflection wrong. So it's not like impressed with leg. Yeah, right. Because whiff can really go either way. This team is definitely a look. This is one of the least fun teams watch. Ellen, right? So, yeah, the defense it is. I mean, I think you can really clearly diagnose all the reasons why they fell off from, you know, Wade Phillips leaving to that secondary kind of falling apart Bradley Roby who is named the number two after a keep leave minute left has been absolute disaster for them. I think he's on his fifth year option. Yeah, no, well, they're paying him some. Yeah, he was a former first round pick. That's crazy. Secondary mix a lot of mistakes as you watch that the jets. I mean, it was funny because Sam darnold actually wasn't that great, and he just had like two giant throws, but not only did it wasn't just like, oh, busting coverage in miscommunication. It was tackling was just really bad, which is part of the reason why crow was able to bust off that game was just like five explosive plays. The run defense has been absolutely atrocious. By the way they're growing, they're all God. We'll talk about that a second. They are allowing five point one seven yards per rush, which. Is not not something you want to be allowing in the NFL. So this is going to be, I think stuff might be a long game for them because if if they're making mistakes in the secondary, then this is the absolute coach you go, you're talking about the pass, rush being an issue in right. This is a passionate, have von Miller Bradley, Chubb chain Ray, Shaq Barrett. I think the last two guys are healthy, but they should be causing problems. I mean in the and I was gonna say in the Kansas City game, they did cause problems. They were confusing the hell out of Patrick Mahomes it, which was able to contain him in part. They basically two things shutdown Travis Kelsey, and they were just completely stunned on Patrick Mahomes righteous. Using a lot of tricky stuff. Tricky moves to to keep them honest, I was all game. So I one would think like, okay, if there is a deficit can do this, I might be them, but they don't really have the guys you can cover and they just don't have enough speed. I think in the back. So I'm not optimistic about this game, herbal matchup in LA. Well, who is a good ran a matchup for the Rams I'm at apparently Seahawks were pretty good match. But I mean, this team is so they're obviously I in Devi away and the Rams defense. I think they're being crew sized a little bit too much right now. They're fourteenth in DVD way, but they're totally artist. Numbers are not stupendous run either which is if Denver has a shot in this game, it's probably run the ball. I love Sean, MC vein, Wade Phillips. It's like a may December kind of thing. It's lethal weapon. It's it's the old grizzled veteran. The new hotshot makes the old grizzled veteran stick around for a while. I was gonna say Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta Jones. But your analogy is, I was thinking like, why? Why is it may December by the way? Like why not January December? Why may have you thought about that? But anyways, yeah. Do I think this defensive? So the issues I can't remember somebody was posing numbers on Marcus Peters. And they were just obviously atrocious his ranking amongst Cornerbacks in you, Seattle, if there is a formula against the Rams defense will what plays into, I think attaining their offense, which is really the only thing you do is keep them off field. Seattle did it right, which is you run the ball exchange together. These very long kind of Bo constrictor like drives, and then you pick on markets like that was really it. Seattle used a lot of play action to a lot with a lot of success because they were able to hold up the Rams one of their ears. They don't really have an outside pass rushes to Donald and that's kind of it. Right. So if you can buy some time with play action and get them worried about the run a little bit, and then you go after Peter's. I mean, they put up thirty got rid of Quin, which was a little curious for without any outside, but it's not like Quinn was really producing really old. Yeah. I'm always talking about how it like us. Yo, is this a common thread? I haven't picked up on my marveling at how old twenty. Oh my God. I thought he was much older. Do you think the Rams offense is better than Kansas City? Yeah, I do wick do weirdly quick. I do. Have you seen the Kansas City extreme McCain's? What do you think like why? Why? Because the wide receivers for Kansas City are are fast, super fast. But they're short. And if they wanna use Travis Kelsey to do the big tall things fine. But as we've seen with the technical term villainy tell things like fade routes in the end zone which are necessary evil that you probably hate. We've seen Kelsey, sort of go quiet sometimes. Yeah, it's I, the thing about the Rams offense is, you know, we're always talking about Sean McVay and his use of pre snap motions in the jets sweeps in how in the deception linebackers on their heels. But really what he he does isn't that complicated? Right? Like they always use eleven. They always use the same guys. They use them an interesting different ways. He's very creative with us a wide receivers, but he's got cooks and who might be out by the way. So that's an issue. That's phenomenal. But he, he's so he's got super fast guys and he sends them deep and then you get these huge lanes open up underneath and Sean McVeigh, unlike half of the idiot, offensive coordinators in the NFL. We'll take that seven yard pass on first down every time. Then it's like, okay, dog earlier we used to run through your, you know, and it's so simple and yet it works now. Another thing that caught my eye about their offenses in addition to obviously, guys running around wide open all the time which is immensely frustrating. They're running open in the middle of field which this really jumped out to me in the clink. So last game was in Seattle. Years ago and obviously has a lot to do with the Cam chance are used to be on his team. You never saw guys running around Millfield because they would get murder. Literally. That was like going into gang territory. The bloods walking into you did not go, and that is more about rules than stuff, right. The fact that you can't receivers can now run around in that part of the field and and they're not gonna get destroyed because guys are afraid of invoking the helmet rule, but Sean McVay McVeigh's reeling to exploit that and to great effect. I think I was maybe some people came away with that performance at Seattle, maybe a little more down on Los Angeles. The comparison thing tie. I was so impressed to be able to come back and that hostile atmosphere an offense that had been struggling all year and Seattle, and they're finally putting a points and there were running up the gut of of the Rams which you haven't Dhamma consumer and earned. Donald is impressive. It doesn't look like that should happen, right? Which is why another reason why Denver might have a shot, but to be able to come back on the road against a Seattle team, that's putting a points without cooks without Cup Teflon. They're amazing. I mean, so Marcus Peters is obviously been ally ability for them. What was it game before where he was getting picked on? He hasn't been thinking him, yes. So that's what I was gonna say. I think that might be a health issue. Some of it is his style of play though. 'cause like Marcus Peters has always been overaggressive and can like retirement with board. Like if you play, if you live by the sword, you die by the sword a little bit. And he is kind of that guy, Mark baron being backed linebackers huge for them, but. It'll be interesting to see how they handle him. I don't think the Broncos are going to be the team to really put that to a test. But yeah, you know, Kappen Brandin cooks that if if they were playing a better team, I might have some cause for concern, but you said I have two predictions, right? So I don't think they're going to have any trouble with is my bold Dake is that the Rams will easily handle the Broncos. I presume you agree. Are you agree if I were holding out any hope it'd be rushing attack? What's the line on this game? Opened up seven point home underdogs seven points or even. Yeah. Took the Rams. Yeah, I would j what's the next chief chiefs, patriots. All right. So we are the best game. Of the weekend? Probably the most exciting game. I want to hear the chiefs before we get to the patriots. So what earlier when I was about to go into highly questionable, you ask me, we taught him on this on the radio show. Is that what you asked me about this. This is something that we've been talking about in the brakes and it's never made it to air, but we wanna do the cliche sports. Radio says, what that discussion? If you're the Packers, do you trade Aaron Rodgers for Patrick Mahomes? This is actually it's like a sophisticated discussion about team building, right? It's not really like a one for one skill thing because if it was a one for one skill thing, I would stick with Rogers because we don't know what Patrick Mahomes gonna look like in December when he's getting his book kick or whatever. And but but you have to take into account the thirty million dollars salary and whatever is age and stuff like that. I just bowled over by Mahomes though in we're heading conversations about NFL. Offense is really are wide open. You know, refs don't do anything or they're always over and like these guy in we there was that Brady quote from the week when he was talking about Mahomes and he was like, nowadays, the NFL it's college style football or something, and you sounded like a little salty to me a little Gerald jelly. But I listened to that and I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's that's true. But then I watched the games in Patrick. Mahomes makes really difficult throws like those guys are wide open like he's threatened needles than doing crazy stuff. So you can only get so open in the amount of time they go deep, go deep quick, which is an evolution of the game that we're not used to seeing. So while they're still getting some separation because it got blazing speed there going so quick that these are tighter windows lately it at the beginning of the season. There were, there were some ridiculously. Your home so into, they've tightened up as teams have gotten film. This is recent. Yes. And this is the Jags and Bronco. Good defenses. Right? So yes, you're absolutely right. But and Mahomes didn't have his best game against Jacksonville, but the defense kind of stepped up. We'll talk about a little bit, but when that's more like Blake, Bortles happened, but I, I guess, Mahomes I wanted to ask you like, what do you think can be done? I guess to play good. I don't know, give Bill Bella check extra time to prepare, which had I Bill ballot, check the book on him as you always takes away what you're best at. I'm really best. I think it's Kelsey. I think you've gotta take out Kelsey in this offense. You let Tyree kills gonna realized, I think what their best had is a big play. I think what, how do you take away the big play? I think you let Kelsey kill you because it's going to be all the jacks took out hill though. They really did. He wasn't like a huge factor. This is what is this a fourth game? And I noticed last week this, oh, that we've covered did this is a game that we've covered. And I listened to Mike Golic junior podcast last week. There's just dropped in disguising coverages back bracket coverage. So nonchalantly, and I've been googling bracket coverage since because I thought it was one of those things that I thought I would amend, but not really because. Yeah. Well, no, it's like a bracket look like a bracket. Right? But it was just drop in there so much like, oh, I got to know my stuff. Do you think you're better than like, no, no, no. He's my who's tarheels big game how he's better than Dominique, but you are not here to compete. I know, but I'm the most self aware of the three because I know that my position, here's again off ramp on the way to sue. Got STAN. Well, okay. The pats defense did look a lot better. Let's talk about the second, but I think you're right. I mean, this is the fact that we have two different answers. I think highlights the impossibility of the situation which is there. There is no one weapon on the chiefs. There is no one like they've really will kill you thousand ways. Kareem hunt is going to have day against this. He's still really good, you know, and to say nothing of Andy Reid and it's play designed. Do you think of Andy Reid. Doesn't win a Super Bowl. He can still go down as one of the best coaches in NFL. Yes, no. What am I taking? But it's fair. I mean, we're talking one, yes, because we talk about Aaron Rodgers as the greatest ever and he only has one even though him only having one is a knock, but it's like knock on him. Andy Reid, his reputation is that of a choker that a that of a choker and someone who's bad o'clock manage and someone who's really good at this point in the season, I think we saw Alex Smith greatest game ever at Foxboro. Last year. This chief seem has had a couple of these games against these patriots where you question the entire patriots patriots blueprint and say, are they done been responsible for two of those games? Those are two different regimes. I think that have done that have done that. So I'm really curious to see, especially now that we have salty Brady jealous of Patrick Mahomes I love that narrative. Why isn't that a bigger narrative going into this game that he's salt? Because you know my whole unlike completely convinced that Brady was just jealous of grab blows looks. And that's why he started like his skin gut, like way smoother after grad. Flo appeared and he changed his hair and you know, we have that whole like the diamond out of quicker some stories we're gray and they were like, you know, buried, he wants them out. I, there were fantastic reporting, but I looking for the stuff about the looks and it's not in there, but it seems very obvious to me that Brady is very, he's like a vampire, like he's he wants to steal his use Brady's actually throwing interceptions, but he's not been great man Hughes. Not been great. I've, even though the offense has looked a lot better Brady himself, I think, has been a little bit off, which is why the return of element was so enormous because even in the previous game against the dolphins, were they, they were a lot better. He, you could see his rhythm on the middle of the field stuff is where he thrives. And typically fees was off. So getting element back, even the connection wasn't quite there yet made a huge difference. The fact that they could run more eleven that they can have those three wide receivers on the field Gordon is still coming back online. Do you by the way. So as someone who has had a lot of personal experience with him, not really. You're just the team you before he play for. No personal experience. You've never met the man. How do you feel Tomahawk podcast occasionally? No, but Andrew Hawkins has personal experience which aren't. So I basically do have personally think like the moss stuff is overstated. Like, I, I know obviously there's a lot of skepticism about whether he's going to stay on the field and who knows, but do you think that he has the potential to be huge in New England or does that mean over things? End up working out for that organization, but my hot take spell, you know, with the backwards in front of the case is that I don't think Josh Gordon is going to be spectacular for for New England. I think he's going to be what you saw against the n. Indianapolis is the high end of the Josh Gordon experienced crazy gift give Tom Brady twenty five seconds and say, if you give them twenty five seconds, that was so frustrated because I've gone out with this. Take that. I don't think Josh, and it's going to be excellent for the patriots which is pretty as lukewarm. Okay. So let me make it more hockey. I think Josh Gordon is going to be a flop flap is and I was so right until the call scape, Tom Brady twenty five seconds. Okay. Throw a jump ball into double. I don't even think that pass with two Jewish. Also I was furious because I had started Eshelman at the last second of demand, and he was like ride opened on the side of the field and bruises they break. The one thing I say about New England is now -fensive line is still incredible, and I think that's going to, you know, sustain them going into three a. m. Texas woke up from me was Eric genie. Saying that Josh Gordon blue is best chance at success. And I think that's absolutely. I think that's on the money because Cleveland would put up with all the stuff that isn't gonna fly. When you think of Josh Gordon, you'd think of, you know, the the drug suspensions and all that. That's not really is biggest problem in fitting in with New England. It's being able to go through a practice and know exactly what you're doing on a field. I think this dude is going to have very limited plays that is going to become an can only use 'em about, like eighteen cents a game. And that big play was obviously not on schedule. Yeah, the he could fit out. Certainly, you know, both teams were the offenses, I think are undeniably better than the defenses. The patriots defense has more talent than the defensively. They do get Eric berry back, maybe make Sooners because what I read about him is he tasted it sounds incredibly painful. You know what he has. Now, he has a condition in which he has a bone spur that is digging into his achilles, and this isn't the achilles, the bad one from last year. That's he's, he's recovering from another achilles injury that came to made a miss most of the season last year. I think he essentially have a New England game, right? And what you shutdown gronk and was incredible. And then he was out for the Zealand working his way back from that achilles injury on the other achilles. He's got a bone spur that is digging into his achilles. It's a terrifying combination of words that was going to say bone spur like whenever they talk about bone chips, I'm always really grossed out and bone spur is up there as well. This is a team that last week I think I coined the seven ten split on offense defense or like their second best to the Rams and then very close to the worst in defense. Which Bill Barnwell welfare. The show tweeted recently at there are no teams that are in the top ten in both. So there's a distinct lack of balance in the NFL right now. And I was trying to think of teams that might finish with a level of really, really hard because most often teens of terrible on defense and vice versa, the chiefs you, that's it's, it's totally feasible, totally. They're one of the teams. I don't actually through the chargers their opponents. The makes his a potential team there. I think the Rams the defense could improve the talent that I don't think the chiefs defense is going to improve even if Barry's bag. I, I don't know why if it's like a symmetry thing or what, but I prefer balance teams like Cincinnati is another one of those teams that could. Yes, yes, possible. Yeah. I mean, if Dalton keeps playing it as level, I like that. I like it when teams are have a pretty, I would rather like a pretty good offense at a pretty good defense than like a great one in. It's like when you see a couple and the guys like way better looking girl or the girl, that always bothers me. And I know. Not for like it doesn't matter the gender. You can flip them but like or both genders. But. Where are you going? No, no. You dig yourself out. Saying that I like. Okay. Here. Let me let me put this. Forget the looks. One thing that liba. Is saying a couple where one person is way taller than the other. Like a really tall guy had a really short girl really Togo which you never see short guy because I feel like they're making things harder for the rest of the world like that really talk my wife and I know you're, you're not that don't flat yourself. You're gonna put your normal normal. No. But like when I got my listen. Us and I, I appear an inch taller than I actually am. No. Those I, when I see a six date like guy in a like a five to girl, I'm like, that's some five, four guy out there could really use her like you're depriving where where did I lost scrape? Oh, I just wanted to quickly before move on. I just talk about the chiefs defense for a second because they did look a lot better against Jackson's Bortles and cool. Really the pass rush has not been terrible. Default has really broken out this year. Just Mason has been deformed is broken out in that no one. Sacks are just surprise. What is the do. But some I saw that they have maybe like I think the best fast relish in the NFL on third, Dow, which feels fluky. It's going to pass because you're already down twenty four points. They picked up def- Ford's fifth year option. And maybe if he has a great season, the regret it because we'll have to pay. You're obsessed with how old everybody is like the names on this team. On behalf. I'm Holly still the team. Wow. Is he just assumed because he's been there. He Ellen Bailey from the hostile there yet. Tomba Holly is a free agents. Okay. I remember last year he was complaining about not getting playing time anyway complaining. This is actually, I think a pretty difficult team game to pick for all the aforementioned reasons. The Bella check factor Brady being jealous of Mahomes youth is going to play. So I did. I mean, it's in Kansas City though. Right? Actually, that's why. Really solid by me. I know Justin Houston. So in Kansas City to well, he's actually been a bit of a difference maker at a, no, it's a New England. Oh. Assume. I would definitely take Kansas City I want. I should like bounced back at, you know, because it's really weird for the chiefs to be at FOX, considering that they were at Foxboro to open up the season last year, right? Which is a little weird, but we were coming off back to back seasons where Pittsburgh just opened up at Cleveland, both seasons, consecutively, weird. You can cut all of this out. All of this. I'm not here to. I'm not here to tell. You don't cut it out. Don't get it out. The people need to learn. What do you got? Who you got? All right. Have. This one so tough. I've here shameful admission. I have a bet against the chiefs every right guy picked against them. Last week I pick the Jags then I look stupid. I have gone against the chiefs every week, not straight up, but in terms of what the spread is I, if Bill Belichick can't find a way to weaken Kansas City with extra time to prepare. And if I can't trust in the Tom Brady is angry narrative, Endel jealousy that everything that I know about football for the last few decades is coming to an end. So I'm gonna go with Bill Bella check with extra time and the patriots because it's a prime time game, and very few quarterbacks go in and win this game. I think prime capper Nick won this game when he was electric. Yeah, that was a, that was an incredible game. And if Patrick Mahomes can do that, this is a final test for me where I say, okay, absolutely. Is the real deal. I'm already there, but yeah. Yeah, no, I know I'll I'll. Daily to it. All right. Final game hit it j. eagles at giants us really enthusiastic on that one way more. And that was the most Jay Cutler of the actual color. Jay Cutler. Okay. So. Before I wanna talk about the giants. I because during the last game, the panther's game, I tweeted a screen shot. I don't know if you watched. We had a draft show in the spring and when the giants took saquon Barkley I was dramatic. You know, and I kind of melted down tore out my hair and said, this is stupid. And I didn't say that, but I but I was like, is the terrible peg should take an quarterback, Josh Allen? Yeah, I'm actually pretty fine, but I'm not catching any else on that. Yet. Bills fans get at me. I didn't say I was stupid. I just, you know, I wouldn't trade it up for any with, but so during the strikes, I want to say maybe three fourths of the way through. I tweeted the screen shot and I was like, Lear all the I was feeling like I had two beers, you know is like, so I shouldn't beers. Yeah. So you know not only had like three ticking tenders so's rolling. And I tweeted that I was like giants fans where you had mentioned now really like manning jobs, like at thirty yard touchdown. Followed by two point conversion basically, guaranteed out having fun. I still, I'm not. I'm not taking any else. I still think I'm right. And I feel like everyone kind of agrees now that taking saquon Barkley who's who's been fine. He's he's been a little bit depended on chunk plays not like super consistent. I still think he's good, which was talk. Gurley rookie season was what like that as well, that I I, it's very evident to me that they should not have taken it. Right. And do you like how could you disagree with meanwhile, sick one's been very good and I'm not going to solely disagree with you. But if I were to Cape up and take the saquon side, which is the no quarterback side. Exactly. I think the bigger problem is not that you didn't get Sam darnold over saquon Barkley so he didn't. Do you went into a preseason with Davis Webb as your backup option, at least if you're not gonna, get Sam darnold get a Mason Rudolph, ceiling shocking. Do you know who the backup quarterback is for the New York Giants? Right now, it's not data's what you got cut Kyle Ouda. No, no. He's on New England something called Alex Tanny who's Alex to something called Alex Tanny. And I think to me to me, I think it's TA and y. I'm looking at him keep talking up. So I think if you're good ago, the saquon route, if you're going to go the saquon route and saquon to his credit has played to the level of a number two overall pick, then you've got to at least get a quarterback that's going to push ally manning some. And I know the I take thing to do is a cabernet. This is such a great happening spot and yes, but how about instead of worrying about getting something better. Than Eli manning, if that's really going to be your strategy and you wanna keep up ally manning and give them weapons, then why don't you get somebody better than Davis Webb once you get somebody better than Alex Tanny, why don't you draft a quarterback if it doesn't, if if it's not in the first round health second round, is that too much to ask? Yeah, I'm gonna lay off this age thing soon. But Alex Tanny is thirty. He's clearly the future the future, like tastes them hill twenty year old days. Him hill is the quarterback of the future for New Orleans or teddy man. I really wanted them to make a run at teddy. I like there was a little bit of cross town. Maybe they won't do it. But like not only because I during the saints game house like man, I wish teddy was someone Rica play because he was really excellent or in the preseason. But because he is an actual quarterback of the teacher, he's really young should good a quarterback because of the salary cap ramifications because that's cheap code. That's a Russell Wilson template. The Rams are doing the shot. Maybe won't work out, but buddy. But I say quantum been good. It's. He's always been more than goods. I mean look like. So in two thousand seventeen giants average just over twenty four, rushing attempts per game. Three point nine yards per carry this year. They're averaging under twenty and it's three point eight yards per carry. Now again, that's not a saquon Barkley so I'm not blaming him for that. It's this team is falling behind you. Got, you know what I manning, you know having to throw try throw themselves to come like in its and I don't think this offense of line has been what it was cracked up to be after they paid soldier and drafted, we'll Hernandez who grew. They like go is actually been extremely good in Seattle, always make it about Seattle, but. Somehow become good. Yeah, yeah. Over now that he's he's becomes a fluker. Do you think he gets picked up? He's Rosenhaus says there's a lot of teams interested in, probably Seattle. I don't know. I just think, yeah, I'm with you on your tape. There should have been some quarterback sexy conversation is you should've taken darnold, but okay, that's not forget. Donald. Pick whoever take backs and take Allen, even I don't care up and do some right up and get Lamar Jackson, I think is. I have to. It's it's it's a little bit more of a boring take, but it's okay. It is what it is. They got saquon are you really prepared to go into a season in which if manning doesn't work, your best option is Alexander and that to me is it's not so much. They didn't get Samed Arnold. It's they didn't get Kevin HOGAN for Christ sakes Allen, who is thinking in upgrade Brugh that his, oh Rogan? Yeah. Yeah. Is he? No, he he saw on the rush to raise the number three, no. Where's he might be back? I know that he took in Tampa tickets meeting with Tampa cage. He didn't text me that, well, this is a divisional match up as bad division by the way and and the because it's a bad division is number one reason why I think the eagles need to go all out here because to me, they're clearly the best team they should and obviously been struggling and everyone's kind of freaking out because what's going on. So I just thinking about that a lot. Okay. Like what's wrong with the eagles. And it's it's very hard for people describe because it's like a lot of tiny things like death by thousand cuts, like just lightly worse than everything to be quite Frank. The pass rush was really good against Minnesota. Actually, they were Kirk cousins, mountains, but the entire game. But before that game, it had not been good and they're, they have third, worst pressure percentage in the NFL right now, but that's that's going to go up and it has gone up a little bit into Ghada was out and they're, you know, they're still guys coming back from injury. I think Brandon, Graham took a second to kind of come all the way back from his injury. Obviously. Went seven setback online. You have to say back online. Making fun of disease. That's not like normal term. I've started incorporating into my vernacular. It's very like business thing actually coming back on 'em wise, Michael Bennett allowed to wear a uniform like that. I have a one to not what's going on and it allowed to wear that their punter pads, I believe I remember. 'cause obviously a question Seattle, everything. He's been doing this cutting off his pants. He has a slid down the middle of like, I guess he doesn't want that them by the back of his knees. I think the secondary's huge issue. Obviously, teams have throwing it Jalen mills and just destroying him. City Jones is not been great. So far on the other side of the ball, the offensive line, they bench wiz Stephen whiskey. I just tried to say it really quickly because I was doing a house, his last name, putting Isaac swell. I don't wanna say, but there's, you know, they're not all the way there. And of course it was actually, it's been pretty good too. I think he's fine, but he still have him back. So it's like a lot of little things they had like it's weird penalties. Okay. That's not a sexy, fun thing to say about team like disciplined, but it's true. All that said they don't have a running back now. A job is out small woods, not at every down back. I think they should trade for Levy on bell. Am I do disagree with because it seems to be a controversial like not everyone agrees to me. It seems like a no brainer. No-brainer. Okay. Too. Because his team that just won the Super Bowl, so it's not like, should we shouldn't? We? Are we on the cusp where we real, you know, you're for real. You're got the Super Bowl championship down two months ago. Well, that's another thing that lost their coordinator and stuff, but Peterson, us call poisoning ways so they should we find there with what sort of jumping out a patient runner might not be the worst thing in the world for the head off as yes, I'm so yeah, they should absolutely go for it in trying to break down this game. It seems as though the season on the line game is for Philadelphia. This week. Would you would you say they're, they're back to you, and so you're Lemus straps admit in an effort to get in the next few weeks. So you're doing good. I think that game already came and went for New York. Fortunately, they lost by sixty three yard field goal, Clint so close up shop who do you trust a win, a really important games, Hoover bowl champions or that mess in Shurmur. So with Dell, it would obviously be a rental is they're not gonna pay him as a Tina thirty seconds and cap space. Next year leaks would heed the prior to give Blake a second or third, right? Because if the is hold onto Emily, let them walk. She was another team that needs him, right? So they're weighing, it's all a calculation of if they let him walk, they Compaq possibly third, but it depends on whether they acquired a free agents like, do you think it'd be worth it for Philadelphia to give up a second round pick? Let's put it there for just half a season. Plus the postseason of Philadelphia would get a compensatory pick he walks? Yeah, it depends on what they do it. Yeah, it's not truly like you're losing a second round up. Yeah, I think so. There there go for mode. Yeah, they were already one. You now have the championship DNA championship DNA reverse. You know, have the championship DNA. You have the faith that things are gonna go well for you just because they've worked out for you in the past. Absolutely go for lay the on because small woods not that kind of back Clement. I like a lot and he can do some of the things in the passing game that Levy on could believe he owns a very special player. Everyone's. Getting all hot and bothered saying lady on kind of played himself because Connor has been really good, rushing and put up some performances that even lady on campus on the ground. But he gives you so much more than just rushing. I would love to see lady on Belen Doug Peterson offense, whether loved allergy really interesting because I think they would get them out in space and he would actually wait for his blocks to and that would be a sort of nightmare. Yes. And then without sproles they could use them more as receiver to he would just be really nice for Carson Wentz to have that outlet and I came from Jason. Yeah, was Jason Peters. I think it was the offensive line's. Chris is he was a wolf Carson's been holding onto the ball, kinda like subtle area was just like, we're going to buy more time. I don't know. It was weird. It was gonna be hurt lot of Jason Peters. It was weird the way to the Super Bowl. He did. Yes, they did this without. I started picking against eagles everything. They also did without Carson Wentz actually, but actually Carson Wentz hasn't. He's been getting rid of it pretty quickly. So I, I think it would just be kind of a jolt. It's such a cliche. I'm not. You know what I mean? But I do think they, they have been using the running backs. They're receiving game, but they haven't been giving them as many carries. They probably need to keep that offense on schedule to what we're saying. We're worried about them being able to survive the loss of JJ and they have to go out and get lady on belt when they win the Super Bowl without Jason Peters without Carson once and they're in. I don't wanna say is the most winnable division in football right now, but this is going to be the ugly, a Nate team is gonna on week. Seventeen is going to be flexed. Yes, because Nate, they have a shot to win the division. Now we're gonna have to watch like, and it's going to be Alex Smith. Okay. What I? Yeah. So I'm going Philadelphia in this game, but I'd like to see them make that trade with tough thing for road favorites, went on a short week, but I think. Like I said, I'm just gonna trust Philadelphia to win the game that they absolutely have to get over over the giants. All right. Now, final segment. Okay. And now it signed for Dinxin dunks I'm getting paid for this. Right. Thank you. Okay, so I just have five questions for you. All right, breezy. Question number one. Do you have a second favorite team Brown's like another NFL team? They team of my second favorite team. Araj IRS is my second favorite team, but don't you get frustrated watching the packages? No, I I love Aaron and cover your ears. Your coaches betrayed, you. Coaches betrays ESI from he was sassy. Last game this year. No, he's gonna defensive as he damn well, should be eras. My second favorite football team followed by. Honestly. I like I really like watching Russell Wilson too. So. Yeah, I, I guess it would be a Packers and Seahawks in that grouping just because, but I support the quarterback's. The quarterback's. Yeah, it's like basketball style. I've always liked Brown by the way. They've always been like a second team to me because I like the fans like I, I just respect that you don't think we're wishy washy. Now if you listen if you stuck with him in any regard like God bless you. Second question. This is for our listeners, which member of the shipping container container would you bring with you if you had to get in a fight, need someone to back you up. Fat. Chris, really? Yeah. Over ROY fact, Kristie because I've seen fed Chris rise to the occasion anytime we do any sort of physical challenge other than the race. What other physical challenges? These race? Everybody. Okay. And he's a pretty decent athlete. You gotta hit off a Matt lados. You know that right now I gotta hit off them out lados is he like Strong's? Actually, he's got deceptive height. We know the deceptive speed already. It sounds so deceptive. Now everyone's game planning for it does have deceptive height. He's he was telling me the other day I was shocked. He says he's taller than drew Brees house like, no, but sure enough drew Brees. We like that are mere, Pablo. Just kidding. You answer that. Nobody really. I wanna know you don't have to end. You can tell me later after the show, nobody I do wanna know they just tell me, wink. If it's me, it's Foxworth. Okay. So our dogs roll my Laney have never met. Do you think if they met with like each other in what they date? Oh, man, I might dog can't really meet other dogs. Yeah, it's she's got an eye disorder right? She had when she was a puppy, so we can't really makes me really sad. We can't take her to dog parks above a boy kinda. You put her like, that would be so cute. If you put her at a bubble enrolled her on the dog. Yeah, I would love to. I can't really sad. 'cause she's on the leash whenever she sees another dog. She's like crazy. Jank Joe's wants to play with other dogs. Do you think she knows like how to act around them, then she gets she gets a lot of energy around it. Just one of these really slender frame. So I get worried, but she's she's got like one of these immune systems that we had to suppress her Munis. So if she gets a rabies shot, he won't just like your it won't be prevented a preventative measure. It did actually give a rabies. Yeah, it's like one of those teen novels were like, you know, kind of sickness Lenny's not very good with other dogs in my presence is like an adopted. Dog thing, I don't take it either personally as a negative or a positive. He's very bad around underdogs win. I'm there. But then when I leave him at the dog park, and then I see video or something. I think I told you that one time he led a hump train like these, the alpha and the when I show up there. They're always like all the dogs love Lenny, and I'm like, that's crazy. I don't get to see that, but it's it's painful for me. What is your best Halloween costume that you've ever read a William caused him that I ever had? I was Rick Pitino. I just I would look like a vampire who had closed on done to the point that it was like, okay, but it was only like twelve seconds, super. By the way, just introduced the term home train into this podcast without explaining it. So I just want to back that up professional podcasting to be specific. He led a train of dogs humping each other and he was in the back. Okay. Final question. What is your worst memories around spin? Oh, the one playoff game Crispell macho. Ma a follow scoring. A touchdown. Kelly Holcomb dropping back to pass finding a wide open Andre king who slips on the terrible field that was covered in snow and mud and couldn't get out of bounds and time that to me also losing the team in that team moving to Baltimore winning two Super Bowls bonus question, do you think you would get too nervous if you guys had Baker Mayfield on the show? Like would you be? I would get Starshine professional store. I know that's why that's why I'm asking you this store people, but I know how you are about him. I thought I would be that way with Aaron Rodgers when he called in and he was such a cool guy that I was immediately comfortable. I thought it'd be nervous when he called in and shot the bleep with him. And he was really, really fun. Baker is already getting to that point and Baker sort of starting to transcend sports a little bit. And I say that because I've been, I've been. I've been a Browns fan all my life, and I've been with my wife or sixteen years, and she is never cared to watch Cleveland Browns game. Never. I don't know if it's hard knocks, but she is in on Baker Mayfield and she's finally watching Browns games with me. So it's a big deal. I text her eight Baker did this. I, I send her stills from Instagram stories that Baker had them like, can you believe it's kills them fortnight's then those me too, and I don't wanna see them. All right. Before we hit the music record production for the season, it Browns for the Brown. I think. Six months, just six. What you're just you're under. Shoot, you don't really. I know you think they're going to win. We're gonna lose a whole. We're gonna lose a whole.

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The Panthers lost, but it isn't the end of the world

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The Panthers lost, but it isn't the end of the world

"Want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds. Check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any Ninja Warrior Fan. The three atypical talks will Hello welcome to talk about again. Jesus Christ soccer soccer okay cool people like it when we talk about soccer welcome to the second week of the keep sounding podcasts for week two of the NFL regular season the panthers on the podcast thirty to twenty serving loss to the long Raham year a game in which day had every chance to win. It's been like a couple of years. If you count the fourth short days actually it has and the panthers almost one but fell just short. Didn't we start. John had a solid probably fourteen months ago thirteen months ago had a solid offensive outing by Christian McCaffrey and a great outing by the defense so we're here to talk about this. This is Brian joined by Brad and John Brad. How are you doing tonight doing Bredhauer. How are you doing. I'm impressed me doing i. I'm impressed. You're able to keep hosting. Is this your best effort yet yep. We tried to throw you off your game that we did. We fail much like McCaffrey McCaffrey. I was on my game tonight US game. He was on his game so the panthers played a week one one preseason game against the defending of C. Championship Rams and they lost by three regular regular season. We're we're not in the face as certainly they played against save. This is what happens we complement him and then they played against the La Rams Week one in the regular season. They lost by three points for she. McCaffrey had a good game Brad. What are your thoughts on that. I think that the panthers played well enough to win and I know that if you're listening to this you're going to think that this is just a lame excuse because because we've heard it too many times but they're legitimately were some missed opportunities that caused us to lose and it's a shame that Ron Rivera says that every time we lose because if there was a time to say it week one was the time because we only lost by three points to the defending. NFC champions when the football hit the ground five five times and the rams recovered at five times. Some of those were their own fumbles of those were our fumbles. One of those was a fumble that wasn't a fumble but you know when Todd Gurley puts it on the ground twice and it bounces right into the arms of an offensive lineman and when cam throws a forward pass gets knocked behind the line of scrimmage and it's ruled a fumble recovered by the rams on like the eight yard line and we still only lose by three points. We should come away feeling good about the fact that it was as close as it was the thing that was so annoying about that one the cast they call a fumble just as a that was the announcers were like well you see he threw it from the nine and it landed here on the nine so looks like that's a backwards pass and it's like that's not how that works exactly is like the next time of quarterback tries to throw it straight up the middle of the field and it gets swatted back in their face like oh well he threw it from the twenty five and land on the twenty two so tobacco's yeah yeah and I hate to be all conspiracy theorist but I genuinely believe if the Jared Goff and thrown that pass it would have been enrolling complete. It's one of those things where like I agree with for. The most part were the. NFL is telling the referees to do whatever ever makes it reviewable automatically too. I think they want to review it and just to get it right yeah but the problem with that is that when there's no conclusive evidence one way or another you end up with situations like that where the most likely. Rhett call the call is most likely correct ends ends up not being made because they were trying to give themselves a chance to look the replay all relative. You WanNa be wrong so unless it's blitz. They didn't say I was wrong yeah so like if they didn't have the crutch of the replay I bet they call that incomplete just because that would be their best guest and and then but since they're like no we have to let the play play out so we can review it. It ended up costing the Panthers legitimately cost awesome game because they they scored a Gimme touchdown on what like two plays later and we lost by field goal so if that doesn't happen now that doesn't mean we lost because of that because Cam could have thrown a pick six on the next flight. You never know what would happen or we could went three and out and punit and they he's still score but you know it's just little things like that. That make me not feel like the sky is falling just because we lost in week one yeah yeah and like you said. I mean the rams of the defending champions and I think fumbles should be looked at as like fifty fifty propositions for each team for the rain they really are. I mean yeah yeah and I mean like every fumble like in a vacuum isn't going to be fifty fifteen. It is based on like like. Dj Moore's fumble was a pretty like Sherbet for the rams recovery 'cause there's just nothing but Ramses around him but in general you expect your team to recover half of all fumbles that occur just you know based on all for the rams are cover all five and then win by three is a that's that's good a good sign for the panthers yeah because everything else is even like I did in the stat like the sat review where yards to the yards per play in third cardin conversion rate until first downs and stuff like that we're all pretty even if you took the box score and you you showed it to somebody and let the actual score off and Said who won this game. I think people would not guess the rams won by three points yeah now it looks like it looks and the way they did to you would think maybe the rams want on the field the ball last or something but it was actually the other way around for the panthers went from downtown to down seven got up last-ditch comeback effort. We also saw how useless trying to onside kick is because the new rules it's pointless now the shadow rule man. Nia Yeah such a good idea I ever had and I hate the fact that she had it. Uh and I legitimately think if somebody else had it they would already done it like if if Peyton manning had that idea already be a rule yeah. I guess we're going Sands Brian for a minute I don't know what to do now. I guess we explained what Shana listening for first time hasn't heard US talk about it. It's basically that instead of a kickoff. Whenever a team scores they retained possession but it's essentially fourth in like fifteen I think it would be the typical way to to do it fourth and fifteen from their own thirty five so ninety five percent of the time they're just gonNA punt it and safer than kickoffs and they're typically more exciting kickoffs golfs and it should end up with roughly the same field position as like the twenty five yard line that ends up happening with touch bax yeah and it makes game yes in a game situations like the one we saw on Sunday the run a play on their one attempt to pick up a first down and they got fifty that would keep the ball? That's pretty cool to me. Yeah I mean the NFL talks about how they want things to be more exciting and I mean that to me is exciting. You're on a fake punt. Does out of nowhere you doing anything on the opening. I'm yeah. It's it's a whole lot more exciting than lining up for an onside kick that you know ninety nine point nine percent of the time is going to be recovered by the team. That's winning winning man. I think how many onside kick Scott recovered by the kicking team. Last year was like three. They said it was like ninety. Ninety three percent got recovered by the receiving team mush yeah so I mean it's it's basically pointless. It's like the extra point used to be. It's it's and the thing is like when you do recover it. It's usually not through like take good kicking team execution. It's because it's a situation like this. The receiver on the other is falls into your lap. He wanted so you don't do anything right. You just hope the team messes up. Which is I mean? I guess that's kind of football in a nutshell sometimes but I think I think for a sport to be good. It's you want to eliminate depending on other teams mistakes. You want it to be like who can actually do good more not who can do bad stuff less new novel concept. I can't believe leave anybody's ever thought you hear Brian. Yeah I'm here. I'm I'm not sure why got kicked off the chat but both wife Doolan could be. I don't know but yeah yeah I mean I felt like the panthers got into this game with a solid defensive game plan and the offense is kind of failed overall yet for like stretches there it was hot and cold which is kind of you know not unexpected expected for the first week of the season like every time so the offense was humming but then maybe like the third quarter early fourth just looked like everybody got out of sync and they lost that rhythm for them. It was almost exactly like last year week. One like the offense like had their moments where they were really like on a rhythm chugging along and then they just had these stupid ass turnovers and same thing happened this year but they lost because the rams are like you know a good football team the shirt we got we got unlucky this year playing the rams because last year replayed a non NFC champion winning yeah I like we had a chance to win like I like we talked about. I'm glad that we played the one as opposed any other week but it's still it's still yeah. We played this game in week eight or something. I think it would have been a whole lot different of an experience and probably not in a good way. It probably not in a good way I think it would probably been like thirty eight to fourteen or something the one thing I will say about the rams coming fresh off there there may extension for Jared Goff. It's nicely a good team with a quarterback that I can hope is GonNa make a bad mistake at any moment. Jared Goff's not that good and it's any moment he can throw the ball straight to a panther and just give us a lifeline in the night watching the saints in Texans on Monday. Night is like the opposite Russia's like manager breathes. It's just not gonNA mess up. This is so frustrating. Yes and I'm sure you knew just as well as everybody else did. Especially I knew as there was no way that will lutts was not gonNa make that field goal of the a game like he does not miss at home and I just you know he's like Matt Bryant like they don't Miss in don't in domes homes and it doesn't matter if it's a thirty five yard field goal or seventy or field goal to win the game in a dome. It's automatic automatic with much to our chagrin frequently yeah which Zor Line Line even missed the he missed a kick against us which was odd because usually kickers don't miss against US fifty six yarder her he made and you know it. It could have been thirty three to twenty seven. Is that a thirty to twenty any seven but that means the panthers cover though I think we did the line was three Echo cajal panthers authors once it changed like prior to kick off but it was we were three hundred dollars. That's all that matters right. If you win money for the people that bet on you knows actually the last line was rams one and a half smart money on the Panthers Yeah but can we talk show. We talk about Christian McCaffrey. We should think I think he earns some of our words yeah. Did you guys know that he was that he set the team record for most all purpose yards in a season opener now. I did not know that I did that because I know that a thanks thanks for reading Brian of two hundred nine yards beating being Steve Smith's record of one hundred seventy eight back in the cardinals game camps first game seething yards two hundred yard. All purpose game will happen that often. He has numerous yeah but like season openers. I mean okay so oh yeah because I think there were it happens from what I could see. When I did the player for the pro play indexing it was like you you get one every year year and a half on average one every one to two years okay so Kushtia McCaffrey's that guy this year. It's kind of hard for not to get two hundred yards when they give him the ball literally every time they snap it on offense twenty nine. I mean he averaged seven yards a carry almost like did you see the panthers posted a video on Instagram with the spongebob like Mocking Spongebob draw me and it said he's too small to be a running. NFL running back in the video is him like bowling through ramps offense this carry. I did not see that is pretty funny but I think the highlight of the game from for him from from me was the touchdown where he crawled to the goal line. Yes I've never seen such a controlled crawl to the goal line line. Normally players do that in a flail around like throw the ball past the goal line and barely hang on he liked put his fist based on the ground and then scooted at forward and very controlled like in a plank position is reached the ball across the line with like three hundred pound men hanging on his back. I mean quite honestly I think if even if he was down they should have given it to him. Just for the effort like you said you don't don't see that yeah just the poison the control direct Christian McCaffrey the best offensive player in the NFL people are asking he is arguably in the top three. He's pretty damn I am close. I mean there aren't many baths who get ten or seven people that you could argue that are better than him or Alvin Camara and probably saquon Barkley in healthy and healthy dog early but I would almost take todd Gurley out because he's not healthy for one but I think Christian McCaffrey is more versatile than Saquon so so it's basically to me he him and Alvin Kamara one eight one day yeah. I'll be interested to see like the thing that's a crazy about it. We say two hundred nine total yards of offense and nothing about what he did seemed what sorry nothing about what he did seem to unsustainable no absolutely not he can do that every week yeah. It wasn't like it's like yeah. He had one hundred fifty rushing yards but that's because he had an eighty yard carry that won't happen every week and the average like three yards on the rest of it was just chunk play after junk junk play yeah. I mean it almost seems like answers fans really skeptical. 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I don't know like three throws. He probably could have made yeah which is good but they still they could have easily won without you know the ran's recovering literally every fumbled around and I know I think some people are critical because he didn't throw a touchdown pass but that's just a result of the play calling around the goal line as much as it is ah diamond of CAM. I mean either the ball Christian McCaffrey eating scored three times like what you want like touchdowns touchdowns. It's not like we've wit down at the five yard line. He threw three incomplete Bassam Kate to feel like the the they didn't call college number. Yes that's one of the things I appreciate about this version of the panthers they don't. They don't need Cam Newton to do that anymore. Obviously we'd all probably feel better. Cam Newton also threw two touchdown passes on Sunday and won the game but they didn't need him to be the kind of player he wasn't twenty fifteen and they were still close even with all it's stupid mishaps on offense ends and the stupid calls by the officials knocking to forget about that quote unquote back lateral so I'm not I'm not really all that down on Cam Newton about it. I mean like he did everything he could like. It wasn't like he made any like horrifying mistakes aches that was just here and there and he had it. He had a turnover a to resume. That wasn't his fault yeah. He missed a couple of open guys. One one of them was Greg Olson's fall. I mean I will defend that to my dying day but I mean this was the first time that we've seen in play healthy since week week. Ten of last year when the steelers broke his arm or shoulder so you have to take that into consideration he was twenty five of thirty eight for two hundred thirty eighty nine yards that sixty six percent completion percentage and you know yeah like you said he didn't throw any touchdowns but that's not his fault. That's North's fault aw he threw bad interception. I think he wishes he had that. One back telegraphed it and he got screwed on a lateral federal. That wasn't a lateral so I mean the thing that I looked at with with Cam was what did he look like physically throwing being the ball like he didn't look like he was laboring too hard to throw it he did like he was putting a little bit of air under it to guess prevent vet putting too much strain on the shoulder. I think that's why some of his passes sailed on him but I mean it wasn't like he was struggling to throw a he looked Chris. with throwing motion. I'm more concerned with the he only ran wants and I think that's because of the sprained rained foot that he suffered in the preseason but you know based on the big picture everything in regards words to his health and all that I can't really complain about what we got from. Cam and I think if you do complain I think you're being you're expecting too much and being too picky also just want to point out cam. Newton is never good week. One knee takes them in a rhythm. The quarterback ever been good and was his rookie year yeah quarterback rating in week one like by the year two thousand fifteen. It was seventy one on point three. He completed fifty eight percent of his passes for five and a half yards in an attempt to one touchdown one interception twenty twenty sixteen completed fifty five percent of his passes one touchdown one interception a sixty-nine quarterback rating is nice Nice. twenty seventeen fifty six percent completion percentage to rush wandering exception eighty-seven passer rating against the forty honors in their awful light and in last year sixty-five completion percentage no touchdowns eighty two due passer rating like he's thrown for like lesson in all these games he's throwing for one hundred sixty eight hundred eighty yards and stuff like that like so this is just by his sanders and is that was a good week one yeah par for the course. I mean panthers. The Panthers always struggle in the first like three weeks of the season on offense just like getting a rhythm together yeah. I don't know if it's Ron Rivera's fodder. Just you know how the NFL is structured in the preseason but I'm really not too worried about. I mean like the offense looked good and again you know they were three points within beating the rams with all the mistakes they made on offense. Oh not too worried. No I'm not worried yet and I I mean this can be our segue but I won't be worried unless we come out on Thursday night and still look like crap against the bucks. It's entirely possible all the happens because it isn't it is possible that it happens but that's when I'll be worried yeah playing the the buccaneers buccaneers on a short week at home in the buccaneers looked so bad on Sunday they they looked terrible and they're they didn't play at home on Sunday either either today. I believe they played yet. I had a west coast trips. Are there coming all the way back to the east coast on a short week and they looked awful so I will be worried. If we lose on Thursday divisional. They played they played in Tampa. They displayed late. Okay we'll still. It still doesn't change anything it even worse. I'll still be concerned because they didn't. They didn't have the we had to travel to the west coast excuse to look as bad as they did yeah this. This is the this is the game where Carolina comes out and shows what they are. If they're going to be a playoff team in twenty seven and twenty nineteen like in their defense look good on Sunday. The offense had its few mishaps like this is the game where they put it all together. Blow out the box in get some momentum going forward if there seems to be that team realistically. We should be upset if we're not ought. Let's see one two three four five six if we're not six in one at the beginning November because as we play the buccaneers on Thursday then we play the cardinals than the Texans then the Jaguars and then the buccaneers again that game could go either way because it's in London and then we play the forty niners so we should be no worse than five into that's that's a favorable oh schedule. I'd say yeah then it gets a little tougher because we played the titans who could be good could be good. You really never know what the titans then we play Green Baying Atlanta and New Orleans in Washington and Atlanta and Seattle so we really need to stock up on wins in the first half of the year yeah and I think I mean half of our schedule is all playoff teams or teams. That could be playoff teams but I think in this just like we talked about the rams being good being week one opponent. I do like playing the buccaneers so early 'cause I think Bruce Arians is good enough a coach to get them. Might Mike get them plan the way they need to play. It'll probably just take them some time Yup sticks in ten team this year. That's trending up up time of next year the typical Tampa they're going to trend up in next year with Bruce Arians next year. They'll probably win seven or eight games especially if he gets himself a quarterback quarterback with James being on his last year. There's no way they give him a contract extension unless unless he plays drastically drastically have not leslie plays drastically different than has generally that doesn't happen so they're they're rise could take a year or two to come to fruition depending on what they do at quarterback they could take advantage of Miami amy being so terrible and trade for Rosen but I don't know I don't know I do like how James Winston was supposed to have found in his quarterback whisperer in Bruce Arians because they he he likes to do the whole throw deep thing in areas like sit through the whole thing is just going to be a match made in heaven and then he comes out and throws rose more touchdown yeah. I'm interested in how bad he was hundred ninety four yards one touchdown three interceptions to pick sixes. Yeah I mean this game seems like the perfect opportunity India balanced back but this is the Carolina Panthers talking about so they could totally shut the bed. That's always always yeah now. That said I mean the defense looked really good they did. I thought they looked to they did as well as you could expect them to do. The ramps and that offense concern was that we didn't get any sax on on golf except for one by Bradberry sorry but I think that has a lot to do with it. Just being claiming it Sean McVeigh because I think that otherwise the defense played well force phone we just ball just bounce the wrong direction. We had the pressure golf pretty well. I thought they didn't quite get home. Another pressure stats LLC. They registered but six six quarterback hits so that's like he was he had to get some. He made some throws and stuff. I thought they were there. Were closed. They just didn't quite get there. Yeah Yeah didn't like half a second of getting strip sack dating that much either like a lot of it was just like four to three man pressures to and they still get off which was promising because you know. Sean mcvay knows how to scheme against teams that blitz lot where like most other other. NFL coaches don't so and he does the simple staying that beats the blitz and you see it in college football and I don't know why NFL teams don't just do it is that you just screen them to death like if they're gonNA start blitzing. Just throw a screen and make them stop blitzing. It's that simple genius. Yeah I mean it's that simple and I think ron was afraid that he would just dump it off girly or what's his name the vulture Malcolm Brown yeah like they would just destroy us in the short game so not blitz too much yeah what I noticed now. We're we're going to say because you've been trying to get a word in now. What I really noticed was that they didn't really blitz a whole lot and they allowed their or secondary to Kinda like Rome a little bit. Lydon wrote an article about James Bradberry earlier today where he got. He got the chance to press a lot against the rams. He got the opportunity to more even react. which is something that Ron Rauner veras defense is all about is like taking your cushion and reading and reacting which with younger defensive backs you just? It's tough to do that because they don't really even know what they're looking at anymore but like I feel like James Bradbury of all people has finally like risen to the next next level where he can read and react make plays and roll the dice go out there and I feel like Sunday was like his his coming out party because he finally showed that he understands the defense he understands the Alpha offense he did a lot of good stuff and and I think ron rare secondary is going to be really good this year which is weird considering how long it's been since they've had a good secondary and bradbury guy interception. Normally he doesn't do that. He can't find the ball to save his life yeah. He's normally just all over the procedure. What I'm trying to catch catch the ball yeah I'm he was you know making plays in the ball rather than making plays in the receiver yes. Maybe he'll get a couple of picks this here a couple more because he's never have more than what like two or three and a season yeah. I think the most he ever had was like too but what I saw from him on. Sunday reminded me of Josh Norman a lot in that he was not just playing what Ron Rivera was putting out there for for him and like not just you know stepping back getting his backpedal in and just hoping to make a play and just like sticking with receiver. He looks like a guy who knew what he was doing and in Ron Rivera's defense those guys those cushions can actually make a lot of plays yeah kind of freelancing a little bit more and reacting instead of like a robot yeah because that that's the one thing that I've always seen with Ron. INVERT defense is is that he gives these guys seven yard cushions. It's like okay. Go make a play. A lot of them are so young or so like inexperienced where they're just like. They're doing that. Just not get beat. Were James. Bradbury was making plays because he understands the game now where you can actually go up and take advantage advantage the fact that he can read and react quickly so I liked what I saw from him. Dante Jackson had a little bit of a two but James Bradbury. It was definitely the the guy where he raised my eyebrows on Sunday yeah. We definitely need that. This year like them to make plays 'cause even when they've been good it. It always feels like they're just kinda there and we need. We neither turnovers like we got in two thousand fifteen for this to be a good team especially that pass the big thing twenty fifteen was that we had Josh Norman who would they do exactly what James Bradbury did which was decide to make a play and go off of his assignment and go to wherever the quarterback was going with the ball whether was sacking the quarterback or going interception jumping route like that's that's how you make plays in the NFL in this day and age as defensive back. Is that you roll the dice indicate get rich yeah and Ron Rivera's defense is made for that. They never really had at least the last three years. They haven't had anybody who was like experienced enough and intelligent enough to do that or I think James Bradberry and I think Dante Jackson soon will be that way to where they can. Just go rogue and go make an interception real quick yeah. We'll have plenty of opportunities to that on Thursday night. They may not even have to go rogue on it. They might just you know yeah. They might just have the ball thrown to them so that'll be good. Did you see the last sixty through the James Thurber. Got Him so bad. It was like a blown up screen pass and he's like well. Nothing's there I'm just going to throw it anyway in hit the slave owner who it was but hit the defender right between the numbers no buccaneer in the area yep. That's James Wesson for you. W Let's talk about real quick the GEL McCoy revenge game. Oh Yeah so over under game. Did he say that yes. Everybody is making a bigger deal out of it than it is. I mean like forty five percent of steps on Sunday. Eh So is no bigger deal in revenge games exactly the one thing I will say about the whole snap count thing is that the rams are their base offense is three receivers and todd Gurley slash whoever's replacing him whereas bucks are probably not going to do that every every single snap so we might get a little more jeld. McCoy he might get a little bit more of a chance to wreaks havoc on his old team. I think we'll meet see a little more three four defense game because the bucks are not our team where they have three wide receivers on the field like ninety nine percent of their snaps even if they do only throws the Mike Evans and Mike Evans a stick and James bradberry happens to be the best smashed up in the NFL Gavin is sick. He was pretty sick on Sunday. He might be better on Thursday. Eh Millionaires have access to medication just shoot up a lot of cocaine and be fine so as the athletes do when they're ill hundred percent proven fix everything but he had the what it was tim seemingly call one of them against the last game panthers games with bradberry locking them now bradberry completely locked him down and Dante Onta- completely locked down to Sean Jackson Snell. It's they don't even have to Sean Jackson anymore. Yeah now they have. GR- goblin allow allow Adam Humphreys the panthers killer yeah. That was my thing in the slash earlier. I was like Oh then Adam Humphreys anymore to fuck up our slot health. Doc Davey Elliott might have an actual chance to not place shitty against the buccaneers. Maybe he was shot for shot. Perriman is the number three wide receiver well if that's all too yeah. There's there's a couple different stories. I can tell the main. He has his moments. You know fast they last long years old now. I think he's like Thirty Eight Rashad Perriman these twenty six. He's twenty six holy crap. I thought he had been in the league since like nineteen ninety nine job. I remember when he was a a potential panthers fan favourite in the draft a few years ago because he was tall and very very fast okay another other. Stephen Hill has basically said well against the forty niners he had two receptions for ten yards correct on five targets on five targets. I think we can probably hold him down. He'll probably go for four hundred yards. Yeah my biggest my biggest were Rubio Jay Howard to be honest. As far as the bucks go 'cause bradberry will be all over. Mike Evans and I don't know he might have like three or or four receptions but OJ Howard not sure how we're gonNA cover him yet. It's kind of like what I alluded to Janet Golf. It's just hard from no matter how good the receiver is is hard for me to be afraid of their impact when James Wants with their quarterback yeah. I'm the same way he likes to make throws into trip coverage in not usually good for your You know offense. I just want to see it was fun place to happen in Football Games when when they're happening for your team right so one thing I'd like to discuss before we wrap this up in our score predictions than is the whole bolt thing with Shaq Thompson so shack. Thompson is finally kind kinda. Getting involved is like the Thomas Davis Replacement on defense where now he's involved on nickel defense dime defense he had a really good game on Sunday. Is he finally evolving into the player that we think he's GonNa be John will start with you. I think so. I thought he played well will on Sunday. He's the most violent tackler I've ever seen. He's he's but I do like the I like this player. That's got a versatile skill set me. We should use him in versatile ways is supposed to pigeonholing them into a strong side linebacker Becker Green Brad. What about you you. I pretty much agree with what John Just said. That's fair. I mean I liked that. He was out there as much as Thomas. Davis used to be and he made as many places. This is Thomas Davis used to like. I feel like he's finally getting the ability to transition into that second linebacker position that Davis held up again and swift leuke clear on the other side for so long. I liked what he did. I liked his how he reacted. I feel like he's finally really like getting it and I think that he he's going to be exactly what Carolina and specifically Ron. Rivera wanted for so long which is a a nickel. Oh Guy who is actually big and also stopped run very important to stop the run in Israel. Yes that is that that's that's how you win football all games. John had it's how you win alloway shoutout to Thomas Davis for leading the NFL tackling after week one he had fourteen eighteen tackles. Damn also saw him get burned on the are the hiltons touchdown at the end of the game to send that's overtime but we'll go look past that we saw what was the full. Thomas Davis experiench. He badly overran T. Y. Hilton and then Hilton Hilton scored. We're GONNA remember Thomas as a great player. Not a mediocre players did not play didn't happen in Carolina Panthers history because he wasn't on the team. MM South didn't happened in chargers history the Seattle. The chargers are the chargers so they're canker dating play on Sunday it's a it's a revolution medway somebody. They're finally doing what I've been saying. Team should do for longtime and they just had a guy do both yeah. I don't understand why more teams don't do that either. I'm sure there are some logistical thing that makes it easier like into like to practice the long snapping operation when you can have all the specialists like kick long snapper not have to take the quarterback way to do that but the Tara Taylor seem to do fine. He never done it before your analytics. Ingo yeah fight calculator some shit the scoring predictions Brad. I'll start with you. What is your scoring prediction for Thursday's as game. I believe that on Thursday the panthers or going to win and I'm going to say that they will win thirty one to fourteen fourteen dependants. You'RE GONNA win a million points to zero Zaire file answer John. They say thirty to sixteen. What was your swarm prediction there broad sporty one to fourteen panthers thirty one to fourteen panthers writing down now yes John. What was your fixing thirty two sixteen. My prediction is twenty four to fourteen panthers because I think that their defense is good good enough that they're going to hold the box down and they're gonNA score enough points to really rally. I know that Eric said that this his team really needs to blow out. The buccaneers really stopped them but I think just winning. We'll be good. I I don't think we need to stop them from for me personally to feel confident I just think we need to win and it not be a nail biter like we don't need to win on Joey sly game. I'm winning field goal or a whoever in the hell they're kicker is missed field goal. We need to win by at least ten points. I mean even if it's like how we lost the rams. Were like if we win by three but it's because the buccaneers scored touchdown with eight seconds left to make it like twenty eight to twenty six six yeah. I'm okay with that. You know we had a ten point lead but it became an a a two point lead. If they win this game they get to go take on Cuyler Murray Aka the Corgi quarterback for the Arizona cardinals looked so much cory well they actually get to go to Arizona and play Collar Murray no matter what what's fair like they get to do that if they win like they have to go either way that is ousted deliver. My schedule works my hope is that they win and then they have some momentum going into that game against the Corey quarterback. We'll according quarterback since you brought him up. What is your feeling about him after week one does he looked like he didn't belong in the NFL in the first half and then he looked like a an MVP candidate the second. I think he's going to be really really good. I do too I think I say somebody needs a good offense of line to like protect him as every quarter order by the thing with Baker Mayfield last year where it's like who's he's the best quarterback like skill wise. The only only thing knocking some is short but it's like but he's good you know is opposite of where it's like yeah. He's got all the physical measurements. He just not good good at whole throwing the ball. Thing like Calamar is good at the whole throwing the ball thing which is in my opinion the most important apart about for the position that those fall what yeah I think so too have one more thing convert collared proved that he can throw the ball hate the right beautiful pass to Larry. Fits in in the fourth quarter of that game. I I mean I can't believe he threw it the way he did. It could've even been in overtime. Am I can't remember now. Show me the one that he hit lay down the sideline the down the sideline. I can't believe he made that throat. You know that that's a throw that like Tom. Brady struggles elsewhere. Sometimes you'll be good. I think he's going to be good so before we go the NFL tweeted out a vote for the Fedex ground player of the week and the options were Marlin McDowell and cook and Mark Ingram. That's it not Chris McCaffrey McCaffrey not on their. You're someone replied into this is a joke right now. No Christian McCaffrey and it must opposed to the wrong listen. They said they're switching to ups unless correction has made and then ups customer support replied and said Christian McCaffrey has been in the ups ground player of the week is made. Yes yeah yes. Are we go. That's pretty funny. He was the best the best running back in week. One real talk you can make an argument that he wasn't the best running back in week one but dammit he should at least be on the list you know he should at least be one of the finalists for ground flared week should be as as definitely at least the fourth with option there yeah he's at least in the conversation of four anyway he scored almost forty points and PR leagues like that's ridiculous a cumulus so you know give them some respect puts them respect on that name. Elon. I have a question for you yeah. I already know the answer but our listeners don't did you win your slap bet. I did when my slap bet and it was because because of the Christian McCaffrey I won by almost twenty five points in it and most of it had to do with Christian McCaffrey putting up thirty seven so I will not be getting slapped but I will definitely share the video for anybody interested in watching me slapped my brother John Interested in it. I will say that John and I also played each other week. One are slack chat famous football league and was Badgley for the chargers not playing. I did not realize that until after so I lost. That's not why you lost cost one hundred percent why I lost. I lost my like seven points like come on now. I lost to fellow contributor repeater Daniel but I didn't lose bad as I thought I only lost. I lost one hundred eleven ninety two good mental victory by twenty six. It wasn't because your kicker was out of my dumb. I do what you would have done because they had another kicker and you did not score twenty six points whatever I lost because Joe Mixing and Stefan digs had a combined eight points clues and fantasy football stupid. I had Larry Fitzgerald on Philip Rivers on my bench. I thought fantasy the last thing last last last thing the falcons are the worst football team in the history football. Yes Yep I agree we won't do do we want to discuss because why because they lost the Vikings. Even at the Vikings only through ten passes the Vikings because the vikings only through ten passes. They're also bad at math life. It's the going for two when you're losing twenty eight to six and so they went for two with nine minutes left in the game and we talked about this in our slack chat earlier today and we have yet to come up with a reasonable mathematical explanation as to why they did that because even if you do the will if we scored three touchdowns and kick a field goal. We don't have to score four touchdowns. They still lose in that scenario and you know I guess maybe they thought well. We scored three more touchdowns and win twenty nine to twenty twenty eight. Maybe so here's what it just didn't make any sense. Only I can think of was. I don't know if you guys saw it. I've heard it but basically if you're down by fourteen points and you score touchdown. You should always go for two because if you get it you can if you were another touchdown kicked the extra point win and if you don't get it you just go to again the next time and the odds of getting one of those most teams are going to convert more than fifty percents of their people in conversions so the odds are you'll convert at least one of those and still have fourteen points so it increases you win probability. Why only ask you to explain that yeah yeah. That's basically your chances of winning improved because you're either. GonNa win or tie. If he's four touchdowns you're you're more likely to win only tying but maybe the falcons sought it applies twenty eight 'cause it's a multiple of fourteen to like will increase our winning odds if we go to here but it doesn't work that way the only thing that I think make sense at least in my head thinking as a coach would think you know they beat the crap out of us all day. We're not winning today. Let's just just go for two and WANNA play and get the experience of going to. Maybe didn't get to do it in the preseason as much as they wanted to. You know just to throw a play out there like maybe I don't even know what they did when they went for two but like Earth. That's why I know that but I mean like a you know. Let's run a counter trap. Play to the left and put that on film so if we're ever in a situation again we can line up in flip it or some you know get put it on film so weakened sucker somebody later in the year or something but I don't know if Dan Quinn can think that for hit yet the absolutely cannot be out. I think he just thought two points is more than one. We're now by a lot of points. We gotta do the things they do things that get us a lot of points so the panthers play the buccaneers week two on Thursday night football balked at home so we're. Hoping Carolina will stop them out but we'll see as we know with Carolina anytime they play a primetime game. You never really no so hopefully next week we get to talk about the pants springs one one after stopping out the buccaneers so tune in keep up with our coverage on cat scratch reader by our shirts from all of us here at the keep sounding pot attaf path Brian to invite Brandon John Enjoy Thursday's game and we will talk to you next week the take the football it takes off to it so for the touchdown third behind it took it in the first time capes lowers his shoulder in Texas for the Second Call Pathway Touchdown Jonathan Stewart that he's in for a touchdown. That's intercepted by the ask the last five it gets a road win in New England.

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AP Laboratory - Offseason cornerback conversation  (Ep. 122)

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AP Laboratory - Offseason cornerback conversation (Ep. 122)

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Look at the free agent market look at the draft a little bit at each position and have those conversations that we're going to start with the cornerback position today. Craig is very excited here to help me talk about these fine cornerbacks. I find him on twitter at Carolina. Matthew Lane this is actually your idea to do this so so great idea Mattie. Let's get this thing going but thank you. Yes I will take credit for this. You know. It's I thought it'd be fun to go through week by week. Assists in look through the past seasons performance from the corn from a single position groups of this week the cornerbacks than maybe look at the free agency in the draft. So that way you just get a whole podcast dedicated to one position. You're going to get one pretty much every week. Going throughout lead up to the draft. Start the offseason. Just that would get familiar. And we're trying to start with the position that probably bigger interest like we said CORNERBACK I. I'm excited our third valued. Craig style vitamin twitter. Barley hop is really excited. I think he drove like ninety five miles an hour all the way home. Because who wanted to talk about quarterbacks yeah I'm just GONNA take the rest of the off season off until we get to linebackers then I'm GonNa Bounce back in just you just the positions that. I love the No. I'm really excited to do this. It's a great idea. I think he gives us a little bit of an insight as to how they could stack the teams. They could build things while giving you guys. Some names to look at both in free agency in the draft speaking of the draft We are working feverishly on the Casey draft. Guide you'll get more information on that probably next week but Craig's already got forty plus corners graded he's already got so many corners With with some grades on and and we've all got our eyes on a good chunk of them as well. So we've we've got a lot of draft work done already just a couple of keeping out speaking of the draft. The draft show will be back next Friday so that that show starts myself. Jake matty Craig. We'll all be doing that. Starts next week really excited about that if you if you like the show if you like what we're doing on the Arrowhead Pride podcast chain on? Why don't you go ahead and just hit the subscribe button so you can always get all the great stuff that we have going on at a p on on our podcast channel right to your feet. And if you really like the shows we would love the five star view as well. That would be just delightful. Let's go ahead and just jump into this this game here a little bit this exercise. Let's just start talking about the Kansas City chiefs corners a group. I think we were all pretty surprised about The the cheese were able to to have the success. They did because I think it was. It was a stress point for us this entire year. Craig how did they do this year? I mean all things considered with the talent that they had at the position and the lack of guys that they brought in i. I think we can call there in the preseason that we were worried about the number of corners not just the quality but the number that they were going to be carrying into the year. They're frankly they played very very well. Despite the circumstances San Madison Dave Merit really did get the most out of this cornerback. Group Steve spagnolo really played in tailored the coverage scheme to their strength. I feel like those guys responded very well to the coaching. The coaching responded very well to what they did. Well so yeah. They obviously did really really well. Considering the lack of investment that they put in the position I think throughout the year you saw ups and downs at the position is started out. Pretty rough store. The're you saw different guests step out throughout throughout season and let Craig's Egg. That's a huge dodd. To suspect Dave merits it is like these guys did an excellent job with them. Especially because you had to work through this defense knowing that this was not the most talented group on the team in you had to really find a way to make it work in they did. They use extra help from other positions on the team to help about. They were constantly in favorable positions based on the score of the game. It covers They got a lot of help but they Performed very well given what they have on the field and I think they caught a lot of fans by surprise how they were playing a leading through the back. Half of the season it into the playoffs. This is really strong it together there for a while and they pretty much only played two three corners on a game by game basis. Ends on what? You WanNa Kinda Count Kindle Fuller as. He transitioned to safety but they weren't playing a lot of them but they were playing well and they were on the field The the funny thing about this group is the chief spent under ten million dollars. Bond silly on cornerback position. That was one of the bottom. Five six seven in two thousand nineteen for positional spending. And I didn't look I don't know if there's any dead cap involved in there that carried over from something else. I don't know what that would be honestly The fact that they were able to get so much out of this group with you know spending two million dollars on the shot Breezy Linden spending while two million dollars on Mo- clayborn. We'll talk about him in a little bit. Char various ward. You know an an an undrafted free agent. Reshad FIT in a six round pick. That was really Kendall has really the court that was that was it. That was all they rolled with all the way to a super bowl. You've gotta give that Group A ton of credit. It was a big surprise and the biggest surprise. Let's talk about that. Mattie who's the biggest surprise of the cornerback position very beginning show various Ford? I think most people listening probably know that as a group but especially may have very high show various word going into the season not that I thought he was a particularly bad player. Just was very skeptical about believing he was going to be that guy for this team. I- questions about his ability to play the ball but a change of direction ability stuff like that and I think even is the season that proved to still be a little bit of a real concern. It just didn't matter because he played excellent. You've far surpassed my expectations for him for the team. I do think is performance. Maybe got overblown a little bit when you look at some of the stats. But by and large he was not a major problem in most of the games that they played especially that stretch south year there. But Not Mir's as I thought I absolutely did not see that common. It was fantastic to see jarver's for take a big step. I hope we can continue that right now because he could be on his way on his way to getting large payday if he can improve on his performance this year next season. Yeah you gotta be excited about that. It's probably figures for me as well. I I also WANNA make sure to give a shout out to Rashad Fenton He. He kind of exceeded expectations for sure. He played a lot in the slot this year. Which was a little bit surprising. That's not where his strengths are. And you saw him get burnt by Adam. Humphreys on that dig in the in the Tennessee game in Nashville but made some plays on. The football. Physical tackler actually stayed pretty decent in phase at times in coverage and I thought there was a little bit to build off with getting some opportunity getting some Reps. He was on the field during the Super Bowl. The sixth round pick quarterback was on the field playing on defense in the Super Bowl. Some that's good experience for this guy that's good for him to be in there for a year get some opportunities to get his feet wet. Make a few plays in the back. Half of the season show some promise have some ability on special teams. You got to be pleased with moving forward. He's a lock to make this football football team next year in my opinion. And I'm it's those two guys realistically but I'm GonNa cheat a little bit. Because he played corner at the beginning of the season kindle. Fuller insane saying yes. This is the Hornets Mattie answer to a Thi this is extremely mattie answer right now. Long Long Day I kindle fuller started at the cornerback position Kimball Fuller really showed that he can play safety and we ran him down quite a bit. He looked awful in training camp. He looked awful in the preseason and he looked awful for the few weeks in the beginning of the season there. Along with the rest of the cornerbacks wasn't just him but he did not look good for him to come back respond to a position change and play as well as he did down the stretch when they needed him. That was a really really big surprise. I'm very happy for Kendall Fuller. He's going to get paid. I think it's really funny to none of us. Mentioned Bush brilliant and we definitely should like the truth of the matter is pretty much. The entire quarterback position surprised. Ed I think I think realistically all of us felt like Bush. Brima was probably the best quarterback of the Grocer. He certainly played like it throughout the course of the year. I maybe that's all that was surprise. Other guy stepped up. That's I think we were most optimistic about the shop really like there's no doubt about that so I would. I still think I still think even really exceeded the expectations that I had for him the season and it's showing because he built like I said Bill Barnwell on ESPN. I think I mentioned that earlier this week. He has really making ten million dollars a year. So if that's the case that she's got tremendous value for him in the one year and and and be shod made the most of it biggest disappointment. There's I mean it's Mojo clayborn. I think is the biggest disappointment on this football team. I need W- we were all stressed about depth. At the cornerback position. We were stressed about the bodies. We were worried about this because there wasn't a ton of debt to this football team at the cornerback spot and so they bring in Mo clayborn. He's kind of a guy. I don't think we were expecting big things out of him. By any stretch of the word I think we all were in consensus more optimistic about shod real and then we were about clayborn but it was a guy with experience it was a guy that I believe is played in a system similar to this in the past. He has plenty of experience under his belt. I I can't tell you one thing. I remember him doing this year literally. It's like it's like it's like with offensive line. Like the best thing is to not see him. Problem is Moakley. Moore's is not an offensive line. That looks no sugar. Coating he was bad. And I I mean I remember conversations that we got to have early on this season about. How do they get through the first four weeks of the season? So that help can come. Go Yeah Yeah. We did a lot of that. So yeah no it's Mojo clayborn. But I'm throwing demonte Wade. They're just just cuss. Ju just to throw out his name into the mix can I? Can I just for a hot minute? He he was in a row with the first team. What about her Miller our Guy Herman Miller rested herbivores? Lets you know like I mean poor went out for that guy to so mine is I put myself last in this one for a reason because I had to go to charge areas? Warp is also my biggest disappointed. And here's why going. Throughout the season. He blew up after the first week. He started to rise up blowing my expectations. He was out play when I thought of him. We got to the Vikings game in. Everybody was out there. The word was at Charlie's what was having this great season. I watched the Vikings game very closely after happened. I see what he did because he gave up a one catch for nothing at Stefan. Dick's the tate just didn't match that production by we're back in washes be on more than one occasion and it looked pretty bad on some reps. So I file away Volun- he has downs throughout the season. There was good weeks batteries but the narrative was kept playing better and better and I was hoping to see him at least carry that up and down trajectory through the playoffs in the playoffs. Trevor Ward played a lot closer to what I kind of thought he was to start the season. There was a lot more down in the playoffs. They know against the stats aren't going to bear it out as well. Especially you include. Titans game Throw much Various Ward was the one cornerback. The one kind of coverage player. That's not a linebacker which we'll get to did. I think teams could specifically target in have a fair amount of success going out when they decided to. It was just a matter of did they have time throw. It was actually the best option. I just wanted to see more from Charis Ward because his good games were really good. I just wish there was more consistency because I thought there was a lot of down games mixed in and I think they can. They got glossed over where he was getting targeted. Because there was there was some times where he was the guy that would give up all the third down. Completions all right. Let's go ahead move onto the most optimistic thing or the most optimistic about moving forward with with this with this. Cornerback position Craig. Well we can flip a coin here because realistically there's only two guys to be optimistic about it currently with this quarterback group why. Why are we slandering Alex Brown? And let's remember our good Pal Al? It's Brown. Oh He's our pal. When did you become our policy? Oh are we getting an exclusive interview with Alex Brown coming up here? No but when you win a super bowl your pals for life you wear that damn ranks on my favorite hold on real quick. My one of my favorite moments of the entire super bowl coverage was watching Alex Brown with his head in the turf buried in the turf. Just crying for with joy for winning. Oh Yeah anyways until you it. Triggers Ward Char various for everything that he is really comes alive in the Red Zone He is a fantastic red zone. Cornerback the chiefs really came up big in the red zone a lot especially at the end of the year and throughout the year I kept throwing the stats like you know. Listen they're facing so many of these red zone opportunities in their not allowing touchdowns allowing them to stay in these games when the offense is playing particularly well. A lot of that was because Various Ward had a lot of moments in the red zone where he was able to break up passes where he was able to deflect stuff he really stepped up big in that regard. He's got a lot of things that he needs to improve on his game to really take that next step and become more consistent but it was good to see that when they did get to the Red Zone. There was some consistency there. He did step up in those moments so I think that that's something for him to build on. Especially since spagnolo is fine with offense is getting down the field a little bit if you shores up in the red zone so I'm GonNa take it a little bit a little different direction. I think the fact that the chiefs were able to win a super bowl and get the most out of this quarterback group. This year is really impressive. What I'm really optimistic about is. You've got two guys was super bowl experienced back and they're young guys. Rashad Fenton Chart Various Ward but you are bringing more talent to this group. You are injecting. The cornerback position. Most likely I would be shocked if they didn't they're going to have because they only have two on the roster they are injecting. This cornerback group with talent this year. So you've got two guys. I think are still ascending. That have a ton of experience. Now that are still very young football players. That are going to get some help. They're going to get some competition and they're GONNA get they're all gonna get better. The young guys are going to get better and they're gonNA probably draft one early talk about a minute and they're probably GONNA sign on in free agency to so you're getting more talent injected to a group that they were already able to win the Super Bowl with. That's something you should be excited about not to mystic about moving forward I was gonNA take a slightly different way as well. I was shopping deserves to be mentioned here. I think he. Row provinces at outside corner. He's still young. Elvis physical plays demeanor out there. But I wanted to go this direction. That she's quarterback position is not going to be used this bad talent level. Agai- like milk does not get lower than this in terms of their talent level in they still the super bowl. They still by large played very well as a group. The corner by group was well with this level of talent that be strings optimism. If these coaches get these guys played as well imagine what happened to. They inject a top in tower of first second round. Pay A high price. Free agent. Like somebody you know. The world sees a talented player. One of the Look like what is this coaching. Look like when they get a real pliable cornerback like that to work with rabbit in this is no offense intended these but other players weren't seeing as big of commodity to the rest of the NFL. Yeah the current outlook. What you've got right now is you've got you've got two guys Mattie. Your current outlook is using of US. Need bodies to put out there. You probably need somebody else to play this slot a little bit but not a full time slot player because that does seem like it belongs to our matthew but you need a guy that can kick in there from time to time when you were the let Tire Matthew play safety or do something else. Maybe across for him in. I think you still need another top end again. Going back telling you even elite talent of blue chip player to play on the outside. You need someone that you feel very comfortable with the play. It's number one wide receivers. I don't think they have either of those right now. Slot quarter or a guy of blue chip talented quarterback. I think you're looking for those going forward but the two guys roster young. They've shown like they're growing. You gotta be happy about the two guys there who just surrounded I don't think that you're in a lean on those two guys I think Chavez Ward is probably starter. I think you're going to keep him on the field. I don't think that Reshad Finn is going to be viewed in that same light. He might get dime reps like he did this past year. But I don't think he's going to be a guy that they're gonNA count on in a big big way in twenty twenty. Maybe he takes nextstep bruce me wrong there. So yes I agree with Mattie. I think that they're going to add a couple guys having depth like you know. Rashaad fitting in if they had several guys having Were being able to rotate in somebody. Pushing him or fighting for a spot with him. That's wonderful that's great news for this group. They like these guys. They like what they put on the field yet. I'm really excited to see. Especially since they didn't lose a single member of this coaching staff to any other coaching staff. It's ridiculous to me. They turned around in entire defense in one year at got to keep them all. I'm really excited to see what twenty twenty looks like with these guys. Yeah I think Trevor Is. Words definitely earned the opportunity in the you know the right to to to be the starter Next next season So I think that's something you've gotta be excited about which is great because if you can get another veteran in the mix outside you can let your young guy kind of developed this year and maybe towards the middle of the season you start really getting him more reps potentially under his belt and that pushes varies too. I agree with you. GotTa find someone to put them in. You gotTA finest a Quality Slot Corner. I believe because you WanNa have that flexibility with the tired Matthew. Now she's it's just about cost how much you can spend. I mean you don't WanNa get too elaborate with it. Because he is tired. Math still gonNA be playing in the slot but I think what you want. Is You need to insulate yourself for all the things that tired. Matthew is able to. Do you want to be if you lose tire and Matthew? God forbid you've gotTa have pieces in place to help. Try to figure out how to account for his for his loss. We're going to take a break. We'll be back to outlook at the free agent market and the draft at the quarterback position. Right after this aright we are looking at the cornerback position for the Kansas City chiefs. Moving forward we just got done kind of reviewing the two thousand nineteen season. Watt to be you happy about with what happened. There now is talking about the future. Let's look ahead. Let's look at this group. Let's look at the free agents. Look let's look at the draft and let's start with this. We're going to talk about the top guy that we think makes sense for the Kansas City chiefs and let's go with Byron Jones. He's a free agent out of Dallas. He was with the cowboys Really came on strong last year with fourteen passes defense long big really. Good athletic profile is going to be about twenty eight. He's kind of about the fringe of where the chiefs typically science. Some of these guys. He's on the high end from an age perspective of of where the cheese is typically targeted free agents with Brett. He's like twenty six twenty-seven-year-old on three year deals hidden before they turn thirty or right when they turned thirty. But he's definitely a guy that from the cornerback position he's he might be. Cb One in the in the free agency class. I mean he's he's going to be pretty coveted. He's only had two interceptions in this tire career. He's made a lot of players in the ball last year or two years ago. He made fourteen last year. A little bit less. You only only made six plays on the ball. It was kind of a down year for him so I think is market is going to be a little bit interesting. Yeah I'm I'm excited. If they signed Byron Jones anybody who bought the Casey Draft Guide last year knows that I kind of formulated a general metric for trying to project athletic testing at the cornerback position. And obviously I mean to make a long story. Short good cornerbacks produced at a significantly higher level when they are good athletes. Like it's just a big deal number one by a very large margin of the past decade each Byron Jones. He number one athletic profile that I had found to date. I mean more than Patrick Peterson. More than Jalen Ramsey more than Denzel wore these freaks. These absolute athletic freaks Byron Jones was more I would be very interested in signing him. I think he's GonNa be expensive because I think people see that athletic profile. His length is size the the way he can move and they're going to try and go and capture that and put it on the field because it's a talent and you know if he's got he's a smart guy too so. I think the GPS would be wise to try and put an offer on the table for Byron Jones. I don't know if they're going to sell the farm to try go after a guy like that the same biogen's for me beyond being talented player. The is kind of coming on now that he's switched quarterback is he generally fits the mold. I think of other guys that Gone after he's a guy brevity tournament scouting players but he came up into the draft. He's a guy He seems like a Guy De Vito may have had. Maybe he liked a little bit more. There's no way to know for sure. He just seems like he could have been a guy given the age in some of the other drafts that we've seen each get. Some guy's site is free agents afterwards. So you can make a connection there especially given the athletic profile the fact he now plays corner and Byron Jones. Kinda really took off. Let's Chris Richer way to Dallas at implemented a little bit more that Seattle Style Comfort. Three in will the chiefs. Don't play strictly that of the exact same corner techniques they were still one of the highest cover three playing teams that still batch three but it's still covered through that Seattle style day played in Dallas that. She's played a lot here. His style of play fits very well with kind of what the chiefs of the doing if Brett features a fan of him coming out we all know each is going to get is guys if you wanted him so if he was a guy think there's a good chance they would throw a lot of money out of it because Before we just don't know that won't know that till he gets paid by Somebody Agency. We'll know that it like two days after free agency starts because each will put the most money on the table. Ideally I let's talk about a mid tier guy now and we decide to talk about beside Berlin a little bit more because Bush Shot Berlin has earned himself money this off season. He did in Kansas City. He had a fantastic year that she's got exceptional value for him. Now let's see you know. Maybe maybe we can. Maybe you should just bring him back as a mid tier kind of option. Yeah he he's GonNa get nine or ten million dollars a year probably that's mid tier cornerback. Money Right now He's already said that he's going to go out and test free agency. He said that on good morning football this week. So you're going to have suitors. You're going to have people that are going to bid him up a little bit but frankly if you look at the rest of the guys that are around here the mid tier guys we know what the shot briones bringing. We know the kind of player that he is. We know his fit with SPAGNOLO. We know his fit with the locker room. The locker room loves him so this is a situation. Where if you are looking at the mid tier kind of guys you could do a lot worse with paying Mashad Brillon nine million dollars. And saying hey. Let's run this back. You know it works. We know it works. Come in here you can fit our scheme and we know how to use you in the best possible way. I prefer him in the eight. Nine range ten is pretty steep and I have a hard time with that and especially you just kind of depends on the amount of years too. I mean he's probably shebeens looking for a multi year deal most likely. He's not looking for a one year proven deal. He proved it this year. And I'm sure he's trying to get multi years and I'm sure he's hoping to get you know three thirty three years thirty million dollars. I don't know if I feel great about that. But you know three twenty four three three years twenty four million dollars. I would feel great about it again. Like I think. The familiarity with him The the comfort ability that he probably has here playing and Ski Steve spagnolo system and I mean he had a lot of success in these back Nila system. So there's a lot to like there for him. I think it makes a lot of sense. I think was the best cornerback for the chiefs at least in half the Games. If not more I think overall his season was probably the best achieves in we talked about earlier we didn't include him is kind of surprising guy because I think we kind of expected to be that. He played over expectations again. And that's why he's going from two years ago getting the six or seven million dollars per year that he was GonNa get for the panthers to now. You're probably are looking at night ten for him. Because he's coming off a super bowl victory a game that he was arguably the best defensive player on the field for the chief said and he had a good place throughout the playoffs like he really showed up when it mattered. If the chiefs bring him back. I feel very good about Iowa. Bushati loves football team. I think in this scheme with this team. He has a good chance of the variant number. Two quarterback what I would be afraid with any mid tier guy. This includes brilliant as good as he was. I don't think he's a true number one corner and I think you kind of saw this sometimes the chiefs in breaking out especially guys with speed. They gave him a lot of trouble. He tried to follow some guys around early to start the year and I loved that he took that on. It didn't always go well. I don't think he matches up crate with every style of receiver so I would be afraid of the cheese. Pay Him ten million dollars in saint there set at quarterback again because they did spend money. Don't sign a mid tier free agent and try to play him at cornerback. One again although what am I saying they just did that. It did not much super bowl so maybe I don't know anything just I would be afraid to pay. They'd tear guy to be your number. One corner believed the position to be fair. He wasn't a mid Tier Guy. When the chief side no he was a bottom barrel. It was a bargain barrel. You wonder I mean I. I wonder if the cheese try to do that again. I could see them trying to do that again. And then invest heavy in the draft. I mean I it's it's it's in the draft on fine with it right so you know this year's shot Berlin in someone in the draft. We'll get to the draft in the second but the best free agent fit. Mattie Guy Creeks talked about a lot the last two years James Bradberry out of Carolina. I think likes mother. We've talked about. He fits that covers three catastophe. He's all guy he plays. Physical off the line of scrimmage. He's got enough athleticism to hold guys. Vertical squeeze the sideline down but he plays the ball. Well he's smart. He's good in zone. He can pick up different routes coming into his into his area. I just think he's a really good fit over some other guys we talked about. That may be out there because he fits. The age criteria achieve usually looked forward creations. So you get again. It's probably not asking for top tier money. You'RE GONNA get them for multiple years during his prime and he's a scheme fit pretty much to t- as he kinda fits every little checkmark box. You could go for. I think he's an excellent fit. I would be very thrilled to have him on this football team. I'm a little bit curious. What is market's GonNa look like though if you I don't know if he's a mid Tier Guy? I think he's GonNa make more per year than the shot. Brilliant Brilliant Wolfer shirt and so it just. It's just a matter of it's a matter. It's a matter figures I mean. How much are they going? How much the spends on on a on a James Bradbury? Is it going to be in that twelve million dollar range? Eleven million dollar range. How much is it and I? I do think you have enough of his prime remaining to sign a guy like him. I do agree with that. It's going to be about the figures because he could push himself up to a little bit higher than we're expecting right now and he's available guy he's been a sixteen game starter for two of the two of the years here and then he was fifteen game starter last year and every single year. He's had double digit. Pass US defense. He's just always around the ball. He plays the ball. Well in the air gets he has to face. Julio Jones twice a year and when you turn on the tape James bradberry against Julio Jones. He's not outmatched by Julio Jones. You don't see very many corners that had that sort of competitive balance against a guy like Julio Jones. I would love to sign James Bradberry. I think yeah you gotta go up to the twelve thirteen. Maybe even fourteen million dollar range just because he is productive guy that's always on the field and he would fit the chiefs in you fit several schemes. But he would definitely fit the chiefs. I would be all in on James Bradberry. I feel like he is probably a bottom tier. Cb One I think he's worth paying at that point he's not going to be like come in shutdown jalen Ramsey Kinda guy. But he's going to still be in that upper echelon of quarterbacks that it's worth paying I just wanted to add real quick that I do think James Bradberry could drive as mark it up. I think he is more of a shot ruined but don't think he's on that Ira Jones level. I think you might even have some people willing to pay Chris. Harris a little bit more money in Logan Ryan to. He's not going to be. I don't think he's going to be competing for the top money available in this cornerback. Free Agent Group so I think that makes much more likable and you can maybe get him at the same type as those guys are gonNA go shooting a bigger price. Get him a little bit cheaper than you would. If you wait around I'd rather have James Bradberry than Logan Ryan by the way. Okay so do. Yeah we'll talk later okay. So do they signed someone We're GONNA this but just real quick. We're going to ask this question. We know the answer this one but in other episodes down the road. We're using the same format it's it's GonNa be more interesting later but do we need. Let's just let's just move along. We all know they're gonNA assign someone Craig signing somebody. There's they're gonNA sign someone. I think they might sign two guys. It might be like a lower tier in in in a decent investment. Hey Chris Hey give Chris. What's the play Chris? Areas wants to come play here. Let's do it all right. Let's talk about the draft. Mattie is contain his excitement okay. Let's do this favorite prospect in this class. Start US off Mattie congratulations. Mary draft commits to you. So this isn't the draft pods so we will try to go to incredibly long last year. I was pretty annoying about telling you guys that. Shot Murphy. Bunting what's gotTa be a guy. He played very very well from the Tampa. Bay buccaneers this year. I think I found the better version of Sean Murphy molting. His name is Cameron. Dancer plays for Mississippi State. You can watch them. Play in the first thing you're going to say is made. He is skinny it as soon as you wrap your mind around house. They refrained he is everything else he does is so much fun and he's excellent at it. He is GONNA be fast corner. I think he's GonNa crush the forty time. Specialty takes long strides. So as long as he gets off the blocks. I think he's GonNa crush forty time but he plays inside outside man coverage zone. Press you name it. He did everything from Mississippi state over the last two years and the best part when he went up against Alabama and Lsu these round one top ten pick type receivers. He gave up three catches for twenty one yards or something throughout those two games. You can watch him play sh- March chase who bullied everybody else. Ed Dancer was putting him back. He was knocking him off his route. He ran out of bounds a few times on some vertical routes. He's got excellent feet good athleticism. He's got crazy lengthy six foot two hundred eighty five pounds but everything about the Shaun Murphy. Bunting did last year candidates or does that just a little bit more refined guy really quick couple of things because we all of the answer. I think he's going to fill out a little bit more. I still think there's there's some room on his frame firms still think he's GonNa get I think he's GonNa fill out a little bit more. Everything's on the table for him from draft capital perspective. Thirty not out of the range of possibilities I we all. I think we all kind of love champions. Laredo anyways continue. We're going to talk about guys. That are fast like campaigns. There's going to be fast like fast fast fed leg. There are a couple of plays you watch him chasing dudes down and if it's Matt was even talking about one the other day it's effortless like he doesn't have his head down. It's not even pumping his arms hard. And he's just chasing guys down like it's nothing cam dancers going to be so fast that he's going to play himself or he's going to run himself well into round one there we'll see if he's still around at thirty two. My Guy is a guy that I've talked about a lot because frankly I loved him last year. I was very upset when he didn't come out last year from LSU Christian Fulton. He's my dude. Like I am a sucker for long guys with good athleticism and elite feet in elite foot work in. He is arguably up there with the rest of the guys in this class from footwork perspective. He's very light on his feet. He Mir's route stems incredibly well. And when he's locked in fully locked in he's a guide that is just a blank top receivers. He blanked out. You know. He really gave Jerry Judy everything he could handle. Jerry Judy's going to go way way way up in the draft. I think that Christian Fulton is not necessarily an exact fit for what spags once as a corner. He's not necessarily you know raid zone. He can do it but he's not great and he doesn't have the same aggression when in run support he's a very physical player in coverage but not in run support so. I think that those are some things that may give some people pause when they watch him on tape. But here's the other thing. Christian Fulton entire in Matthew are boys? Like they're they are so Fulton's coming in here you're going to get the best possible version of Christian Fulton because he's GonNa WanNa play for one of his guys the guy that's running the locker room that guy's GonNa keep him switched on. I don't think that some of the consistency arguments or some of the effort arguments. You might hear about Christian. Fulton leading up to the draft apply to the Kansas City chiefs. Because they've got the honey badger there in the locker room. Oh physical against the road camera. Yes through do you know who else is physical in the run game all these corners? My Guy Jeff Gladdy Craig. Who's talking about really good feet? And he's talked about some of the best feet in the class. I'm about to talk about the guy with the best feet in the class. Don't at me Jeffrey Gladdy OUTTA TCU six foot. He's not a big dude. He's probably he's probably under one ninety. It'd be my guess but I think he has. I think he personally has the best feet in the class He like he's a willing tackler. He's definitely not afraid to be physical in the run game and I really like that about him. He's he's got some he's got some Hashtag championship swagger. He has some Hashtag. Gye Your Alexander in his game too. I think if you you know he's not quite the same. He's not following a receiver around after a play. Doing the little Cockatiel do thing but he still has he still has some attitude to him and it shows on the football field. I think he's got a pretty good ball skills. I wish he played a little bit better. At Lyons Chris L. Scrimmage disrupting routes disrupting timing a little bit. That's not something. That's but that's that's improved like ICAN improve on that no problem I think he's a little bit grabby at the top routes. I think he gets a little bit too physical but I think that's just his nature. I think that's football. I think that's his game But he's got really quality athletic profile. He's got the right mentality. He's got some ball skills. I think he can play off. I think he can play in Man. I think I took him in the first round. I would no problem whatsoever. Be thrilled I would be. I think he's a guy that that will endear himself to chiefs fans very quickly. I think it's funny that you mentioned Gerald Alexander. No He's not gonNA dance in front of you. He'll throw a punch and get himself rejected from the game. He he's aggressive he. He is very aggressive. I'll throw he's a little too aggressive. I mean he's a little too you know even at the last night. At the line of scrimmage I think he's a little bit too aggressive Anyways continues he He was on Bruce Feldmans freak list. He reportedly squats six hundred twenty pounds. He been choose four hundred. Lao At apparently runs four three. We'll see all of this but all these all the reps bench pressing in my entire life. I have not put forward. Towns up like a cumulatively like that's impressive and it's it's it's funny that Kit Senate. He wasn't the biggest guy. 'cause on that same kind of freaks as Bruce Feldman had only at one eighty three but it six foot wave three S. He's not the biggest guy doesn't the street. He doesn't play like it. He is will vary built very well for one hundred eighty three pounds six foot like those numbers. Craig just said you could add it a four hundred pound clean to that. He's very strong explosive player. It shows up on film like Kim. Said she probably gets a little in his own head. Trying to be a little physical. But you'd rather have that the otherwise you could always just hope the rest of move out of buddy them Let's talk about the best in the draft. Craig my guy my other Guy Bryce Hall Price Hall. We talked about a little bit last week. Saw Won't Belabor the point. He's corner and he's got good ball skills and we talked about some of these other zone corners guys that we think Steve Spagnolo can use. I just think he's got familiarity playing with one thornhill over the top as well. Hashtag twenty twenty. He's a hard worker and he's ridiculously smart After he got injured you know broke. His leg dislocated his ankle. This past season he spent the rest of the time in the film room and they actually called him an assistant coach for the. Db's there he he was. He's just ridiculously smart guy. Locker Room leader all the things that we said about him. You know earlier on this week about the type of player he is. I think he fits really well. With what Steve SPAGNUOLA wants out of a corner like Greg said talked a little bit. I think I aired some concerns and I still do have those. I don't think he's as athlete. I've watched a little bit more film since then. I really do think he looks like a guy. That's been taught the proper way to play quarterback and he's trying to it just is not natural for him especially decided to back pedal or transition. But the thing is if your big if you're strong and you're really smart you can get by with not being the best athletes. I think bryce halt does hit all those notes. He fits the scheme perfectly. He's willing to be a physical attack where he will play hard through a wide receiver through a running back has good ball skills and given his size alongside. He does have decent at very steep speed. You just have the best kind of changes direction acceleration. I think his margin for error is a lot smaller than anybody else. You've talked about so far. Just because he's not that same level of athlete. I really do think there are some limitations there but there is a path for him to hit. He very much reminds me of Richard Sherman. Coming out of college when you talk about the I Q in their style of play. You gotta get into play like that. Which a lot of people have tried in the NFL not many do but there is a path for him to succeed in the cheese. Thirteen the overly us. Yeah I think Osman talk a little bit but I i. I think he's a guy that with from a value perspective. He's got the injury issue I think you could potentially target him at the back end around too. I think some of the questions and stuff that we've brought up about him with the athleticism even Craig. Who are are big. Bryce Hall fans in Obviously Hashtag Thornhill Hall Twenty Twenty We. We both agree with some of these athleticism concerns and it it. They're valid with the with the with the broken ankle inch issue that he's recovering from not getting test. That's not going to help him but he could really be tremendous value in the back in the round too. I absolutely tremendous value. I think if he'd come out last year he would have been in the conversation for the late. I and I think if he didn't break his ankle he would be in the conversation late. I is route as well. Let's talk about a day three sleeper Craig. Who We talking about. We're talking about a guy that we got to see at the senior bowl like a lot of guys depth in this class but a guy that we thought looked pretty good Michael. Oj media out of Iowa. He's really long. He's very physical. He's got great size for the position. I mean we talked about all these things with Steve spagnolo there and he's very smart. You see it on the field. You see his football Iq when he's passing routes off when he's making a with transitioning towards things he understands route distributions really well and that helps make up for some of the lack of fluidity that he has some of the lack of the long speed that he has. He doesn't really trigger downhill very quickly and less. He's Kassian develop in front of him and so he kind of fits a lot of the style of players that the chiefs just got done. Feeling this past offseason. They did find success with that guys at were limited with their fluidity. But long and complete the ball in our physical. I think that he's a guy that makes a ton of sense if he's in their day three and they take odor Moody A- As a project guide to try and build on he makes perfect. Sense is kind of a like for like for some of the guys that they already have on the roster and they don't have to change their scheme for a guy like that. Yeah I mean he's I think they ask over authentic profile. It showed up at times in the senior bowl but overall I honestly thought he still had a pretty decent week for himself But yeah he's he's a little bit tight in the hips as he doesn't have great. Long speed is feed aren't overly impressive but like crikcet goods zome goodson corner. I mean I do think he's got some chops there. I think he's a smart football player. as far as the guy in the back end of Day Three. I think he makes all the sense in the world. For if you're if you're smart if you have good zone ability I think Steve's back Neil is going to deal with you just fine. I have the same concerns about OJ. Ludia that I would bryce all probably more. So just. Because he's you know he's a tear down for him but he fits a lot of the same strengths as well. He's very physical. I actually think I like him a little. Bit better pressing. Receiver also like scrimmage. I bet he's a little bit stronger has a better feel for how to control receiver. But he's a little bit more. Even more limited in terms of his transitions footwork. He has a lot of work to do but what he does. Well be very smart. Be Strong be physical. Rerouting guys. Off The why scrimmage. He plays a lot like troy various and they don't think that he has the same level of speed that we're does. He probably has a little bit. Better BALL SKILLS. Maybe a little bit quicker trigger out of pure. Saddik zone was while so he. He fits the profile that she looking for a do. They had gone to Iowa the pass. They do seem to have a relationship with coaches there so they might get a good insight on. Who is a person this player in the Locker Room is? I think he's a guy that fits the scheme and more so than just scheme. He shares a lot of traits guys. They've already put out on. The field for this team had success. I will that is going to do it for our cornerback preview profile. Whatever you WANNA call this. Thank you guys for listening to us. We'll be back on Monday with the MAILBAG. We'll catch cameron dance.

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The Panthers finally won a game

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The Panthers finally won a game

"Want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any Ninja Warrior Fan. Your Dog's going to calm down a little bit there. There's no telling they're fine for now. I it's it's it's always a fine line. That's kind of sounds like the panthers to me so Jospin excuse touchdown. Hello welcome to the keep sounding ending podcast. This is your week four addition. I as always I'm joined by Brad and John Brad how're. How are you doing this evening. I'm doing great John. How are you doing this five. I'm good and your Brian. You didn't tell people I'm on sorry. My name is Brian. Yes the show under a scene host of the show by the way so the panthers won a football all game on Sunday that was surprising so for any of our listeners listening right now who haven't follow along last three weeks of the season Cam Newton did not play on Sunday Kyle Allen instead of will greer Wiesner and the panthers won as this Kyle Allen tossed four touchdown passes and had one hundred and forty four passer rating malloy the goat the defense showed up the defense played well everything fired on all cylinders and the panthers another I one of the season and they're sitting one two with the NFC south wide a fuck open so that's pretty nice. I was expecting to come in here and be really depressed and see the Panthers Owen three after that game name but instead. It looks like a team that actually knew what they were doing for once John. Just give me your general evaluation of the game. I know you didn't I don't. I think you got to see all of it but I I. I've seen all of it at this point now. That's that's. DDR's for their go. I'm my biggest takeaway. Takeaway is the play of the defense and how much I mean I know Arizona's offensive line is terrible but it's nice to see the defense close in on an and allusive calum. Murray get eight sacks and get them from all over the field and just generally look like a competent unit especially. It's the past which we haven't always pat even when we've had a good defense and so it's nice to see the defense good in the most important aspect of defense which is stopping the best yeah that defense defense especially the the defensive line was really impressive on Sunday and I'm GonNa. I'm GonNa just going to save this outright. I don't know how good would the Arizona cardinals offensive line is but the panthers defensive line was constantly all over Kyla Marie in that game like the only reason that really isn't even in the first half was because Murray ran like fifteen times get he was. He was scampered yeah. He was scampering quite a bit in a Brian Byrnes since we're talking about the defense now let's just jump right into that. Brian Burns is the fourth in the NFL right now as far as efficiency beating the offense of linemen on passing downs Brad. What do you think that I'm sorry what Brian Byrnes this fourth overall in the NFL right now as far as efficiency beating his blocker on passing down. Oh I think that's pretty good. I like that yeah that is really good and it's surprising that he made it to sixteenth overall because they had like what were defensive linemen selected before him at least yeah. I think there's GonNa be a handful of teams that are upset that they passed on Brian Burns like I think he's going to end up being the one of the steals of this draft and possibly the best pass rusher out of the entire tire draft. Yeah I mean like deduce. Relentless and it's not even just like going after the sack. He's just going in there to to disrupt everything all the time. I I greatly enjoy watching. It wasn't entirely his show either. A Christian Miller had two sacks Martin Mustache and a great Moustache Mario Addison how to sack. I believe Markey's Hanes was in there a lot for some disruption disruption as well overall just the the rotation of these speed rushers has been really good over the last three weeks. John and I know Brian Burns the guy that we really want to focus on because he was the first round pick but who's really impressed you as far as like the front seven goes. It doesn't doesn't have to be the pass rushers. I just need lay out of the front seven yard. Just anybody on defense front seven. We'll start with that. probably Shag Thompson. I think he's done a pretty good job. Filling in for for Thomas Davis obviously is not the same like like normal leadership perspective or anything but he's like eleven tackles on Sunday and he hasn't been like a gross liability in pass coverage like we've seen in years past yeah he's been he was a surprise a little bit like I think we all thought we knew what we had with Jack Thompson going into the season and now that he's like a full time starter in Thomas Davis has gone. He's like I wouldn't say playing at the same level as leuke cavities pretty damn close. I don't know if that's inaccurate or not. Good I mean it's it's it's definitely lessons the staying of losing Thomas Davis Yep and I believe he's third in the NFL and tackling right now Thomas Davis so yeah I Thomas yeah of course I wonder what it would what team would look like if it had both of them playing sharing the field together yeah thank. You look pretty good. That's just my guess this Florida's West Jack Thompson his seventh so sounds like it's a tremendous drop off all three play together. Wow Oh man that would be crazy. Crazy never would have happened before I noticed that you were trying to discussed possibly the secondary so we'll we'll get into that. Then Dante Jackson had probably the best game this season. I say probably loosely because I'm pretty sure it was he had a nice interception off of a I would call off target throw by Kyle Murray but then he also had one which was very remission of Josh Norman Pick and saints in two thousand fifteen where he basically Beta quarterback into a throw and then he jumped like I don't know fifteen feet in the air past sport science look at deeper look at that second interception to see how high he actually jumped and all that other navy stuff that comes with it like how much foresee generated and how much like was catch radius was based on that vertical leap and stuff because that was didn't look real now it didn't look real and the funny thing about it was was the announcers initially were like kind of chastising cuyler Murray for that throw and they saw the replay. They were like Oh shit okay. I understand that past no shame and not expect that I for for a ball yeah. It looks like one of those things where like playing playing madden and madness just decided that you're throwing interception on his plate no matter what you do that's that's exactly what it reminded me like. You're trying to like score one hundred the points on the AI and Madden's like no. You're not gonNA do that yeah. That's that's what it looked like. I I know you're receivers open but we'll just make this defensive back jumped six six feet in the air and receptor pass right yeah. That's why I haven't played madden had in several years and so many times I would just like I can't play this game anymore because a linebacker that had that was has back to me just caught interception over his shoulder that turning turning his head. I've thrown this past five hundred times against cover four and they've intercepted this one time with that crazy interception yeah. I know it's over four. We don't have to get into that but one thing that's GonNa be overshadowed by by the national media is the fact that James Bradberry only allowed one reception for like four yards to so like Dante Jackson had the big the big brain plays the plays that people like to see but James Bradbury for the most part was locked down once again Brad. Is this the best the best secondary they've had since two thousand thirteen. What are your thoughts. It probably is I mean. We don't really have any glaring holes for the first time since probably two thousand thirteen I mean Trey Boston's kind of a liability tackling sometimes and eric read sometimes likes to be a little too aggressive and draw penalty flag but both corners or solid. We have depth. We have Ross Cockrell opera played well. He played every snap on Sunday which was odd but you know we got Boston and reading it safety. We've got Dante Jackson on James bradberry outside corner and even though he's been hurt of Rashawn Gauldin is decent enough depth. The only plays occasionally type guy so yeah I think I think the secondary is what you kids. Call Pretty Good Suze compared this second twenty thirteen's as the best that we've how the reason why I say that is because like I think twenty fifteen is a little overblown loan. twenty thirteen Melvin White in Robert Lester in that that that was a pass rush sees as a not a secondary. I guess you could say between Twenty fifteen and twenty thirteen them if you want to that that's secondary just seemed to play a little better aside from Josh Norman but you know either way seems like the best secondary we've had since then. It's a good second own Yeah it is and one thing I want to bring up about secondary before we move on is Ross cockrel played like every Goddamn snap as nickel corner which shocked me because he's always been an outside corner and he just had to learn how to walk again and on Sunday. He seemed to be pretty good. The coaching staff seems to be pretty have a lot of faith in him for better for worse so it's not terribly surprising to me that he played all the snaps like who I guess instead of JV in Elliott would have been who you'd expected right yeah but like Arizona runs ninety one percent of their plays with three or more wide receivers on the field so good. Oh to the coaching staff actually adjusting to to that end leaving an extra offensive back on yeah and Ross did play well to like I they do this weird shit with him like I noticed this in week one too but I didn't really know how to interpret it but it almost seems like at times they end up having having three safeties on the field which is kind of weird yet as like the way the way they line up but it works. I guess so good for Rhonda at I knew wrinkled as defense. All we play zone coverage that like you don't really need a like a man covered corner may like playing the inside of the field in the slot so it kind of makes sense to have extra safety. That's that's roaming. It's a it's more of a safety type skillset. Yeah also have to cover tight ends. It's and whatnot yeah thankfully against the cardinals. They don't have any tight ends. As far as I know on the roster so yeah so yeah. The panthers offense did really well obviously like we said or excuse me the Kyle the panthers the defense did pretty well. They got after Kyle Cuyler Murray. They dwell on the back end like as this defense has continued to perform over the course of the season seems like it could could be a top ten defense right now. They're in the top three as far as quarterback hits their concerns. That's good which against a team like the cardinals Kyla Murray can run really well and against the Texans who they have upcoming. You may not be the quarterback all the time but at least getting hits on them workout workout let's transition to the panthers offense so kyle threw four touchdown passes on Sunday more Brad called actually I sure did I never second so so for anybody who follows along with the articles of you're right we did have a roundtable prediction of what Kyle would do on Sunday and Brad was the closest one he was about a hundred yards short hundred and fifty yards short but he also is about half the amount of completion short as well well but he did call the number of touchdowns broadband receptions also said zero interceptions did where where did that inspiration come from. I just Wanna I just WanNa hear that from the boss. I've Seen Kyle play yeah that one saints game convinced you you do that yeah obscene play. He's just got. There's something about him like I can't put. I can't quite put my finger on it like he's. He's he's got moxie. You know he's he's got leadership quality that I I like. He looks like a quarterback and I think I think he's GonNa be okay. I think if if if he keeps starting I think the panthers are going to win a lot of games uh-huh yeah he already I would have been I would have been dead on the money. If Christian McCaffrey weren't a selfish selfish teammate because Christian McCaffrey demanding the that he gets carries and that takes away from Kyle silence pass attempts and then Christian McCaffrey being selfish and being a jerk and getting seventy six yards and a touchdown in one play like that takes takes away from opportunities to kyle could have had to pata stats little bit. You're damn right. Kinda loud extremely disappointed. Christian McCaffrey free those big arms. Don't do a damn thing about playoff win so he so selfish in fact I saw a picture him today where he was had his bags going going into Houston and he wasn't wearing dress socks he had a suit on and Nike shoes but no dress socks and I was like you can't trust somebody who does that now. The worst human being like just just awful and he's up for Fedex ground player of the week and I'll bet you money. He's done nothing but promote that on social media. Oh Yeah I bet I think it's all over his instagram polytechnic. He's put it onto story every like two or three hours on instagram sounds like him tile Allen's up for Fedex air player Waken. He's not promoting it. You know why because he doesn't need to promote it because he's a team late. He's a team leader on the game yes. He probably doesn't even want to be nominated. He doesn't need the accolades he just needs two wins the W. He just wants to win. That's why we need Kyle Allen over Cam Newton Amines. It's all about the individual accolades I noticed. John is very quiet right now. Well you know the other thing about what Kyle in what he he did. The Post game press conference with the media straight up Polo Shirt Khakis like a real American demand roll like a real man at that a real man no headscarves mm snow correlative. Ill type high bullshit going on ridiculous. The Real Talk Real Taw Paul Allen is he's. He's probably GONNA get get murdered against Houston because they have a very good pass rush and I mean he's a backup quarterback. I don't think he's terrible but let's pump the brakes a little bit he beat one of the worst teams in the league and they specifically typically played planned a game plan for him to be successful now if he continues to be successful and we'd beat Houston and Jacksonville and then three weeks from now. We're you know four and two Kyle and still looks like he did last week then we can start. We're talking about potential you know starting down the line type conversations but for now let bless just this pump the brakes yeah one thing about Kyle Allen's performance was that norv Turner basically schemed it in a way where he didn't have to win the game on his own he. He did a lot of good things he did. He made he made a great throat occur to Samuel in the AM zone he threw two touchdown passes Greg Olsen he made he made the throws when necessary but you can't can't take that away from him but this wasn't the same game plan. You would have seen designed Cam Newton so it'll be interesting you see how he performs. This coming weakest were markedly defense but his bring the be the throw the ball. Newton wasn't so I'll spell I does of years for Cam Newton your to do it because this offense pieces around amounted where they can win the order back yeah plus. They were just stealing their strength. Ceiling plays the browns from last year. I can run the jet. Sweep should've totally done that earlier. Okay thanks nor that I talk about the offensive line firm before we talk about the wide receiver so the real only bad like consistently bad piece of the offensive line on Sunday was Daryl Williams and he's kind of like this weird rotation thing with regular little for a little bit until trae Turner came out and then he went to right guard and then Greg little finished the game and Greg little looked pretty good at left tackle as far as I I haven't seen the PF grades officially yet but I had heard that he graded out pretty well as far as rookies went so this seem on top of that the panthers did write about Greg Little having a bigger roll this week so is this finally the week where we see greg little start over start as the starting left tackle. Is this finally the week before we do that. Can I talk about college. Quick 'cause Mike. Wasn't working your ass. Get I try to talk like two different times and you guys kept talking taking here or there being daily here we we didn't hear you. We are dicks but we weren't. I JUST WANNA say a couple of things about Kylo Allen Won. The four touchdowns is impressive as they are needed to be taken with a grain of salt because touchdown passes or such which is the general or kind of fluky especially when you have a selfish team lay Christian cash Christian McCaffrey had to carry inside the five I think on two different drives like if he breaks explodes for touchdowns calendars for two hundred and fifty four yards in two touchdowns which is still good but it's not like world-beating quarterback controversy the type stuff you know what I mean and the other thing is the cardinals defense has been really bad and he's given up huge numbers two quarterbacks. It's like Matthew Stafford threw for three hundred eighty five yards and three touchdowns against the cardinals. Lamar Jackson threw for two hundred seventy two and ran for one hundred twenty leather giving up four hundred yards a game two quarterback quarterbacks yeah two very good quarterbacks one of the guy but yeah and so it's it's like Brad said the pumping breaks varia very warranted in the situation relation in Texas defense is fine. They're not great but they're a tougher test and now they've seen tape on Kyle Allen and his tendency to throw to the right every single play I did notice does throw to the right like literally every throw aside aside from that one Greg Olsen touchdown that was left on the pick play. Yes is if you look at the his chart on. NFL's next Gen stats. It's pretty funny. 'cause there's like two touchdown passes to the left the best digital or was it the left as well and then the right side of the field just sprinkled like all the other throws it didn't go for touchdowns can help cardinals can't cover the right side of the field. John Whoever whoever whoever's there left cornerback needs to be since the bench anyway we can get back to talking about global. Now sorry about that yeah. Check the American Ninja Warrior podcast for behind the scenes. Look at all the action of the show and more with your favorite competitors. Listen subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast hot cast it says in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what I mean is it's all every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable the pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast. APP that's fine so yeah greg little seem to play well on Sunday and they ended the game with him playing their trae. Turner were not sure if he's GonNa be back which kind of sucks because the last time that trade turner faced off against Jj Watt he kinda body them a few times so yeah bray turns probably GonNA end up playing right or not trade her Daryl Williams probably into playing right guard hard and Greg little appears to be ready to make his first start at left tackle and to be honest. I'm less worried about that than I would have been. If trae returner was healthy and there are Williams starting left tackle. I don't know what you guys thoughts. Are Johnny Start with you since you were name her while not just Sam I'm. I'm good with that not seeing Dr Williams left tackle anymore for any reason he surrendered like I think seventy five percent of the panthers pressures I on the offensive line so I do want to his gaming Though what's his name Shaquille it that Yup like murdered him had four sacks again this past week so maybe he's just the best pass ocean football now could be played with Ron Miller and we all know how how it goes on your backup. You play with one of the best players in the game. We got rookie rookie Nakimora. It had the same thought Nice on an L. Y. You're you're going that yeah so offensive line will be shifting around a little bit but overall the shouldn't be a game to really be super fearful about just yet because the Panthers Panthers have for the most part handled interior defensive linemen who were good well it was like Shaquille Barrett was the problem on week two and week one was a Gregory Gregory Dante Fowler. He was an outside did defensive Lineman so that was a problem but they have. They handled Aaron Donald quite well. He didn't have a single tackle in that game. They think they'll have a game plan for. Jj Watt just like they did four years ago digit what also hasn't been as like J. J. Watt this year now. He hasn't been as JJ WATT. I don't think he was ads. Jj Watt last year either so all pro so and sixteen sacks last year and he has this year so you might have had a game against Jacksonville Jacksonville. Los Angeles this past last week but I don't know I might be more concerned with Whitney mercilus honestly yeah. I think anybody on the edge is going to be more a problem than anybody. The interior because I feel like the Panthers Interior is actually decent where they're outside Taylor. Moton wasn't great for the last three weeks and Williams obviously sucked so yeah. I wouldn't merciless for what it's worth as as four sacks through three games so yeah yeah well shirk good the one thing that can help this panthers offense of line is is the wide receivers and there's one in particular who really showed out on Sunday he had had a touchdown reception in the back of the end zone any had a toe tap immaculate hands catch Horford Panther Score. Do you know top screen past new. John Who's going to see us seems like an errand. Throw more nascent right in between the numbers. No it wasn't an errant throw. They'll be putting the boy right being the numbers in his bows office chest plate and then it was funny because he announces well so much for that that because they were talking like it could have been a touchdown to be caught it because of the way the blocking was set up and everything. I think it was Brady Quinn who even said he probably saw that it was going to be a touchdown. That's why I dropped it like he was bailing him out yeah yeah trying to like excuse that he got. He got to excited he. He saw what was informed but let's let's talk about that toe tap hands catch though because Jessica catch you you said that he didn't seem like a natural catcher of the football and that was that was a nice catch catch and you also want to point out out that like that one play doesn't natural hands catcher has also shown by the fact that he tried to body catch a screen that he dropped its its. It's Curtis Samuel the reason I say he's not a natural hands. Catcher is because he doesn't catch with his hands unless he has to like. If it's away from his body auty he can go out and catch it and like what he's supposed to but if you throw it within the frame of his body he tends to try to catch it off his stomach off his chest to the point. Were sometimes he'll jump for passes. He doesn't need to get within the frame of his body and that's what I talk about. When I say he's not a natural enhance catcher as I think it's because he was a running running back like he probably played running back in high school and at Ohio state they put him in the quote Unquote Athlete position where they line them up in the Backfield a lot. I don't think he's a natural wide receiver. I think he's only a wide receiver in the NFL because he's too small to be running running back. I mean there's there's I agree with you. He does have a tendency to to try to catch with his body any any chance he can. I think that's just because he's used to catching that way out of the back yeah just catching a little line of scrimmage passes instead of that what he did most of the time at a state yeah 'cause they. Ohio state used them a lot like we use. Dj More where they just lined him up somewhere tried to get get him out in space and let him one after the catch you know throw him a short five yard pass and let him do what he does and I think that it's GonNa take another year or so for him to adjust to being an outside wide receiver agree. I just want to clarify that I I didn't say he's incapable of catching with his exit onto natural hands catcher or natural catcher of the football in general point he I made the sidelines legitimately best catch he's ever made as a catch it again and I hope we see more of it but a a genuine real talk. I do see what John is saying. I see it too but I think he's still the best receiver on the team real talk well. That's not saying much. I mean it's really not. Dj More is fine. He is a throw him a six yard screen screen or slant and let him do let him make people miss so he's more of an athlete to Jerry's right is decent. Chris Hogan is decent. I don't even remember who else we have so that tells you all you need to now. Ray McLeod is a punt returner the other guy that they signed off somebody else's practice squad is a punt returner. I don't even know if he's still on the roster that jail draw whatever his name is. He's a punt returner and kick returner too so I mean it's Curtis Samuel. Being the best wide receiver on the team isn't really much of an accomplishment right now. I I think my thing with is just he's just more consistently opened on the routes where you need someone to pick up a first down than Dj more and I think Jerry's is right could be but he's not on the field enough to usurp that yeah. I can see that I think. Dj More Curtis Samuel Amiel really just comes down to what you prefer prefer more from your series like the more the better playmate with the ball in his hands and getting yards after the catch and stuff like that will curtis. Samuel is more reliable off the line of scrimmage and running routes and such yeah I mean he's a he's a great route runner. At this point right like catching catching the ball whatever dispute we have aside his row where he caught touchdown was almost exactly the same as the one he caught against the lions where you just like went inside then just like flipped his hips and what outside and just left the corner in the dust and caused the touchdown like he's so much better changing direction where I think the. Dj Moore's route where he scored. The touchdown was manufactured replay for him which is good. That's exactly what I think. norv turner should be doing is manufacturing touches for. Dj more where he can catch the ball get some space and see what he can do with the ball so I think they're using them both in the right way right now. I just think Curtis Samuel is the better route runner and I think he's pretty good at it now. Just just imagine how good it would be if he can catch okay still young young to like. This is only his third year so it's not like he's at the end of his career. He's got a lot of time to to become an upper tier wide receiver like just in time for him to be too expensive for the panthers to keep. Oh yeah fourth year. He's going to be fifteen eight hundred guards. Antonio Brown's style sale price is going to happen to us so oh we got a little. We got get some time left. Let's let's talk about the Texans game real quick so as we know the only real reason that the Cardinal Stadium game on offense against the panthers because Kyla Murray was so fucking Fast Austin ran around with this little corgi legs and a pickup first downs where the panthers now will face to Shawn Watson who has been the league for this this is third year and he can run and he's also got de'andre. Hopkins will fuller he's got Kenny Stills Kenny stills that was well I was I was thinking of Carlos Hyde place for them to I believe correct Johnson data's train their tire offense to just play players they traded for yeah like Landon. We tunsil off of line and Kenny stills the in both of the running Max basically they used all their draft picks the trade for veterans. They're going all in for the season. Even though there are destined tend to be like eleven and ten and six eleven five yeah they made a concerted effort to be better on offense but the Andrea Hopkins and will fuller almost never played a full season together and when will fuller is actually healthy. He tends to be like a really really explosive weapon for for Watson. So this could be the biggest test. The panthers have had on offense. I I mean granted you could talk about the Rams Brandin cooks and Robert Woods and Cooper Cup but they didn't have a De'andre Hopkins so this could be a huge test for this panthers defense because they're going to test not only bradberry varian Jackson but whoever the Nick Lens being whether it's JV and Elliott whether there's Ross Cockrell like this offense is high powered so and more important than anything to Shawn Watson is way better than Jared Goff yes. That's the set it after the rams game where like the rams offense for as good as it is feels like it's being held just watching it as a fan of the team playing defense. It was like all right if if you know we make if the rams makes a big place 'cause jared Goff's eventually gonNA mess it up at some point and that doesn't happen as much with the Texans with to Shawn Watson Right Watson can make crazy throws them and we saw it. What was that week to against the saints where he was a week one okay. Gabbay they almost came back with like less than a minute left because of too crazy crazy throws he made to his wide receivers like he can make some damn good throws and that's GonNa really test the panthers defense because with a quarterback like Watson and receivers like fuller and the Andre Hopkins they're not truly out of it unless it's like a double its unless it's like a to score game or something like that at the end of the game like he. He's going to challenge them so the panthers need to keep up there the pass rush they had against Collor Murray because if there's one weakness Texans have on offense despite what what they've tried to do. It's still there. Pass Protection Desha Watson got sacked twice by the chargers on Sunday and a lot of the chatter on the it was like a little off of that's Kinda figuring things out they only at their quarterback twice because he got sacked ten times in the first two games yeah part of that's Watson holding the ball along time waiting for place to develop which is dangerous in its own right but that's kind of where the panthers needs to make their make their hey on the defensive end is forcing the is getting Saxon getting the seconds behind the chains. 'cause Watson's not going to make as many mistakes as the other quarterbacks the panthers offense so far this year now definitely not in. They're probably going to have less of those throws were. It's somebody like cuyler trying to make a throw that he should theoretically be able to make and not build make where Watson can fit it in within like six inches of the target so yeah. It's GONNA be a tough game game for them. 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Jalen Ramsey had had a good job containing the Adra Hopkins Conspiracy James Bradbury for as good as he's been not Jalen Ramsey now. He's not nearly as athletic. The Nice thing going in their favor is that the linebackers are pretty good and hopefully they can have an impact but we're not going to see a whole lot of man covers. I don't think against the Andre Hopkins which is probably good for James Bradberry he'd get visceral so against the speaking of natural sketches who John Hopkins Veli or notes he does though like the catches he makes where he'll be like t totes happened on the sideline fall out of bounds or fallen backwards or whatever and the ball doesn't doesn't move as soon as such as his hands is like he's got. He's loaded up on some Jerry Rice. Stick him on his already sticky receives yeah he he just whenever whenever he catches the ball with his like with his fingertips. It just looks like he's Velcro in the ball. It's ridiculous like go down on on the sideline where he's like holding the ball like A. I don't know of a ruler or something like that. It's just ridiculous like I don't get got it. I don't get it at all. He's he's not. He's not a real person that not a real human being no way yeah so will the panthers offense is probably the most important thing going on this team is the game because even though the Texans offense is high powered. I still feel like the panthers. Defense will show up because they've done nothing but do that through the last three weeks. I think the offense is the X. Factor and yeah. Jj Watt might kill Kyle Allen so brad as far as X. Factors go on this this offense door scoring predictions. Who is your x factor on offense this week and it can be in a good way or a bad way. I'm GonNa just I'm not going to name a player because I don't know who it's going to be left tackle. Hopefully it's not outdoor Williams. Hopefully it's Daryl Williams but if trae turner can play it probably will be Daryl Williams a trade turner cannot play then it'll probably be greg little and I think that's a huge issue and it depends on which one of them it is as to how successful Kyle Allen can be on Sunday something I did miss from the game on Sunday. win little play. Those snaps Absa left tackle was that because Turner was out or was because the coaching staff just rotated him in trade turner got her okay because the broadcast touched on it like they're like little was in playing left tackle but unless I talked to a break and I miss it fast forwarding or something and they never really explained. Why and I don't make me exactly what happened because I did not. I didn't see the injury and I was Kinda on a halfway paying attention to the game at that moment but I saw after the fact that Turner hurt his ankle and he's on the injury report. You're yesterday for missing practice over it so I don't know I don't know if he's GonNa play it or not. I I was at at the moment I I thought the coaching staff just like. Let's give the young gun some snaps and see what we got here and I was proud of them and then I learned that it was actually just through necessity acidy proud damn. Bmi Ex actor would be the the coaching staff's decision plays left tackle and making sure it's not Daryl Williams and the other one would be Kyle because he's the quarterback in quarterbacks are important. I'm just glad he's got a good one. Yeah Yeah and I want to get out. Get out ahead of this if Allen plays well unless X.'s defense in like it's like eighty percent of his passes for ten ten yards and attempts or something again. I it's still like even he plays. Everybody's okay too good. It's still not time to like to crown him because he's got two games of tape out there and they're both against bad defenses and we've seen quarterbacks. I think Evan was talking about this in the slack chat. We've seen quarterbacks play well for longer and turn out to be not who we thought when they started yeah. Did you see the Ford quarterbacks. I mentioned that were the other four to throw for four touchdown passes in one of their first two starts. Now I did not see that as Patrick Mahomes who's good Marcus Mariota who's man Marcus Mariota Ryoden other other Evans Shanna Lynn for six touchdown passes. I think in his second career start person can start and Todd Bowman. I don't even know who that is. Exactly why best best game of his career was his first career. Start Bam's so is for the Vikings in two thousand and one I believe is a twenty nine year old rookie. Wow you for slinky over there. That is impressive red x factor with this game. Go pretty did that. It already did that. I said the left tackle Brian. I'm sorry score predictions score productions. Let's do that yeah mm-hmm all right Brad. Give me your score prediction well. I mean it worked last week so let's go panthers sixty. Texans Sir sixty forty eight a sixty burder ooh hey hey it worked last week okay. They didn't put up fifty points though Oh my thirty eight points. This is a registered sixty doing laundry. I'm wearing my dirty panthers shirt all right Brad and he is two in one. Are you put in the scores in just the the picks just the PECs okay 'cause already put that in for weeks went through seventeen unless something goes horribly wrong but over the next the couple months I'm GonNa say Panthers Twenty Three Texans Twenty twenty one. I think your made some 'cause that means which I said. Your pick makes a lot more sense than mine because that means Joey slide probably makes the game winning Field Goal Epi Fun. Yeah my pig Texans twenty-one panthers fourteen no field goals for Joey's lie or or Warfield goals for does lie in a safety. I mean like the panthers red zone offense. I think is like decent right now. I just don't know they've done such a good job of like driving the football and making stupid ass mistakes where I think like Dell Dr Welby Texans thanks bye-bye they'll make dumb ass mistakes where it should have been like thirty eight to twenty one win or something like that so yeah tailgate to the five yard line and bring in three tight ends and Ron Christie some something new. He's actually to Dallas the score from four yards out instead of three yeah and it's all debt. I down exactly so to give you the standings. Brad is to in one. John is one and two and I am. Owen three and I am not taking the panthers ever fucking again after that bucks game so well that goes the panthers and you pick the opponent and we just have lobster records of each other for exactly exactly this picking trying to get them right now they they might turn me but as of right now how that game just destroyed my faith in them so we'll see though this is a very winnable game for the panthers if they can come out and be too into the season is totally not lost at all especially since the NFC south is a fan of shooting themselves in the foot every chance they get this season season so yeah these not lost but I'm not at the point where I'm going to take the panthers until they convinced me otherwise hello hey can. Can you hear me yeah. I was looking at it. I didn't know just like everything went silent and I was like did they hear what I said. That's what happens. We'll talk okay well yeah. Bowman threw for four court shows in his first career start in threw for seven touchdowns for the rest of his career nice. That's a fish that will fund out get it over with kind of guy start rookie year. When you're twenty nine and then he played one game between two thousand and five and two thousand ten and then played doesn't ten for one game at once you get a Gig is a backup quarterback in the NFL? You're set for Life Tod Bowman Trivia for the night. I didn't even know you needed it. Nope and then one day going to be sitting in a bar and there'd be like ask you who's who threw for four touchdowns in the first career start and you're like. Oh Tod Bowman for the vikings thousand one and people are going to be like why we know that because John. Tell me on a podcast about the panthers because of the keep sounding podcasts yeah exactly all right well anything else we want to add before we hop off here. Brad nope alright well from all of us here at the keep sounding podcast this is Brian as always joined by John and Brad breaking down your week four matchup. Hopefully we come back next week in the panthers are two into and they actually have a shot and you can get some more optimistic takes from us but we'll see we'll see what happens on Sunday and enjoy this football game and we'll be here to break it down whether it's a sad loss or a hockey win thanks for sticking around see keeps the football for the touchdown behind discourage. It took it in time capes shoulder for the second. I Donald John Thune store that he's in for a touchdown. That's something by more take time. You know it gets a road win in New England.

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The Chris and Joe Show: College Football Opt-outs and Conference Shutdowns

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The Chris and Joe Show: College Football Opt-outs and Conference Shutdowns

"Podcast listeners, we are amazing avenue, the espy nation, New York mets site I'm Chris, McShane and every week Brian Salvator and I discussed the current state of the mets Automated Avenue Audio. The show we try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view and not get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails, give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on apple podcasts on stitcher on spotify, wherever you get your podcasts and let's go mets. Listening to the Chris and Joe Show on a few radio, your go-to source, for New, York giants analysis. Talk. His. Story. You're tuned into another episode of the Christian Joe, show presented by big review and SP nation. I. Am Jodi Leone joined by Chris Plum, your your analysis team here on big view votes, you source or New, York Giants News Analysis, you name it today's episode. We decided to discuss very important things going on within the football world, the landscape of players in the NFL, opting out as well as college football players opting out in more and more conferences punting to the spring each and every day we are at the point where now it's pretty much all of the FCS and the MAC. BS. Conference as said that they will not play this fall. So that's a huge implication on the draft process that's going to affect the giants who many expect to have a top fifteen pick this upcoming year. We're GONNA hit on that the second half of the show. This show how this first half of the show. However, we wanted to discuss two more names that have opted out. We've already gone into full detail on what nate soldiers decision to not play this season. How that affects? WHO's GonNa, start who is going to play where now we have SAM bill corner back for the giants and Demari Scott Wide. Receiver opting out for this upcoming season. That's two guys in the mix. But not as big of an impact as nate soldier will have. We did however talk about how Sam veal was pretty much a lock to be that second corner opposite of James Bradberry, he showed some good flashing is in his first year being fully healthy with the giants and now he. He decides not to play. That begs the question here, Chris of who is going to be that second corn- corner now, is it automatically going to be Corey? Ballantyne. Or worth mentioning another guy that is now in the mix that they signed is Ross Cockrell, a veteran corner who was previously with the giants, and also with the Carolina Panthers last. So were we're getting a veteran guy in here added to the mix who is going to be that second corner yet? I just not as we sit here. Cockerel hasn't officially yet. He is expected to sign with the giants, but that's pending a Cova test and everything that goes with that. I think they have to pass three consecutive ones before he can signed his contract, but it's expected he will sign. I would say that. Sam. Buell. Opting out definitely gives corey. Ballantyne chance to get that second starting job. However, the decision to bring in Ross Cockerel a veteran, a guy who has played well in the NFL he was brought in to. help the giants with cornerback depth concerns back in two, thousand, seventeen even. Brought on by Jerry Reese he left went to play for Pittsburgh in twenty eighteen. Now, it looks like he's back. He played. Well, I am He was here. That was a very pleasant surprise back then which seems like it was so long ago. But I kind of get the feeling that assuming cockrel does sign with the giants he will. Probably be first to start across from James Bradberry. But Ballantyne will get his looks, and if he is able to take a step forward from what we saw last year, if he's able to put that athleticism to use a show that he has stepped up his game begun begun to really hone his craft as a cornerback. I think he does have a good chance, but he's probably going to have to beat out Cockerel Right Corey Ballantyne is GonNa look a lot better than he did last season, he's going to be competing for that spot, but the giants went out and signed a veteran in cockerel because they're probably not entirely confident that Corey Ballantyne can just step in, go out there and start they at least want to have a fallback option somebody who's been around. Maybe he cockerel does not have. A, a huge chunk of snaps played. But at the very least, you're just adding somebody to the mix who can get out there. Go and make plays do a decent quality job. They didn't go inside any of the players that we were hoping possibly bringing in Logan Ryan. The Price Tag was seemingly too high for them to do that. So Cockerel is the play. Play replacing Sam Bill and Andre Baker after the extenuating circumstances. Other player that opted out was Demari Scott, wide receiver with the giants also considered to be a kick returning threats for this group, he is not going to be playing this season. So now we have to wonder, does this help any of the receivers make the team and what? I, see with this? Is. There's not really much of an impact because I didn't consider Scott much of a favorite to make the roster, maybe one of the final spots to be in here. Out of that receiver group. But what it does Chris is limits some of the competition for these undrafted free agent guys that being Benjamin Victor. Austin Mac, and Derek Dylan. Yeah if you think back to our breakdown on the wide receiver position. The giants have a lot of young receivers on their roster. Now, we don't know exactly how many of the we would trust to start. Or even play major roles in the offense. At least not this year getting having a veteran not in that competition, it means more looks for the young guys and especially more looks on special teams, which if any of them make the roster that will be their path and not just because Joe Judge is a special teams guy, but that's just how. Young late round. UDF receivers make rosters. They have to show their value on special teams either a kick and punt coverage. Midi blocking returns or as returners, themselves and special teams really was Murray Scott's that kind of what he's calling court calling card. was never really a major threat as a receiver. But he could contribute on special teams, and if he made the roster, that's how he would have made them, made it as that sixth receiver. A? Guy You. Can have active on Game Day because of his contributions on special teams without him there that gives these young guys more of a chance to make a positive impression, particularly special teams. Right, it's really a case of Scott being a primarily special teamer for this giants team. Now, he's out of the mix that opens the door for an undrafted free agent guy like Victor Dylan who were going to be competing more for a backup special teams role to have less competition. Now, I see it really as a competition between Victor Mac and dillon, there's not as many. Heads, in this race with Scott, deciding to pull out and not be a part of it. Chris I, want a rap today's show with talking about how college football in their sphere is impacting things for this upcoming next season for the New, York giants. Before we get into that though we're going to take a short commercial break. If you've been following along with college football, not just at the five level. We've seen a lot of conferences decide to shut down at the Division One level. For Division Two and division three, they have pretty much completely shut down, put put off their championships for this upcoming fall. In addition to that at the FCS level, we've seen major conferences like the CIA. which has Villanova Delaware James Madison, the Missouri Valley. Football Conference. That has North Dakota State North Dakota state has two players who some consider to be first rounders trae Lance in. Dylan. Ratings, the offensive tackle also the big sky, all of the bigger conferences at the. Of decided to push to the spring meaning pretty much all of the FCC conferences will do. So eventually because there's not enough competition out there for the other conferences to really stay in play for a play-off that is only going to have X. amount of teams, a small mental minimal amount of teams competing for it that then followed with this past week on Friday or I actually I believe he was on Saturday that the Mac decided to move to the spring as well. So that was the first FBI's conference. They're missing out on getting these. Pay To play games getting that paycheck that they're not going to have that additional money. So it's not worth trying to overspend in protecting players if they can't have the available funds to do. So they're going to wait until the spring, we could see more power five conferences disappearing as well. So a lot of players and NFL prospects are not going to be playing this upcoming season. Guys it. It could be considered day three guys, day two guys. But what makes this whole thing more complicated is the players that are big names that have top fifteen draft stocks that have opted out of the upcoming season, most notably, Caleb Farley cornerback. From Virginia Tech, Mike Parsons, linebacker from Penn State. Greg Russo. From Miami, the edge rusher. In rondell more wide receiver from purdue, all of those guys. are draft prospects that the giants should be paying attention to all four them fill positions of need. All four of them have very, very good talent to be selected in the top fifteen where the giants more likely than not will be selecting. So now these guys don't have a year of tape, they don't have this upcoming season third year of tape to evaluate. So that adds more complications. So Chris just for all the stuff that I've laid out there, how do you think this is really going to hurt and maybe a affect the giants ability to Scout. It is going to make things very difficult, and you can also add Rashad Bateman wide receiver Ryan Minnesota that to that list while he is opted out, and he is probably going to be a top five receiver or at least right now, he's considered top five in this draft class. And? Having guys at the top. Opt Out, miss that year of tape. On one hand, you can treat it almost like they suffered a season ending injury in camp or something like that or very early on where you're, you're just not going to have that. Tape. So you have to go back to their twenty, eighteen, twenty, nineteen tape, and you aren't going to get to see what kind of prospect they are at the moment. Of the draft, so you aren't going to get to see. that. Extra Year of Development some of these guys. Are Really. Top prospect, I would say. Jalen wineman from Pittsburgh Russillo for Miami Parsons from Penn State and fairly from Virginia Tech all the defenders. Each one is probably top two or top three. At their position group with the exception of who is pretty much easily the best linebacker in this draft and might. Be? The best. Traditional. LINEBACKER. We've seen come out. Luke Kuechley. Yeah, he's he could be that. Good. So. Not having that tape it. It's going to make things more difficult. You. Can obviously see the traits on tape. I've been watching them making some preliminary notes on them and yet they definitely look the part of. NFL first round top half of the first round prospects. But not being able to see that development. It adds a layer of uncertainty and scouts decision makers hate uncertainty because if they get it wrong, they get fired. It's their job on the line. So they want to be as sure as they can, which is what leads to a lot of the. Over analysis, we see come draft time. But. That all of this could wind up driving their draft stock down a little bit. Really, we will have to wait and see it will definitely I think make. A D-, draft, process workouts, just that much more important. I think that's the big key. I believe now that these guys are no longer going to be with their programs, they're probably going to sign with agents and start in obnoxiously long. Draft Prep process of training and getting in getting in good shape. So they're going to have that advantage over some guys that are deciding to stay what I see. What the big name players opting out is going to be a lot of emphasis on the combine in pro days were assuming and hoping that things are maybe not back to normal, but looking better in March in February so that these events actually get taken place. So there is going to be a big emphasis on seeing how those guys look with out being able to suit up for a period of time. How do they physically? How do they look physically? Do they still have the same like they're going to be a football player? That is going to be the big big big thing. With these with these guys that these big programs that are deciding to leave scouts are going to put a lot of on grades on these days and also from preliminary tape, just based on what their traits are. It's not going to be finalize tape. It's going to be trait based tape as sophomores for some of these players. These guys are not all seniors that are declaring. Some of these guys have very minimal. Tape to really put out. There is draft prospects, but Chris, the one thing that I'm a little bit perplexed by is the conferences choosing to move to the spring? What does that then mean for anybody who is draftable? I talked about how we're already getting a before the show how we're getting a lot of transfers from these FCS, programs was most notably Spencer Brown from you and And I decided to leave and he is entering the transfer portal. Some thought. He could be a day to even a day one pick because he's such, a enormous offensive tackle. Seem thing for Ellison Smith from you and I a Chinga. Hodge from Villanova Pulgar Thanh. From Villanova's heading to UCLA. Some are speculating that trae Lancy possible. Top Five pick could transfer or do it some of. Of these other guys have done by deciding that, they are not going to play this upcoming season and start doing their draft prep. So I almost, no wonder, are we going to be in a situation where these guys have to play in the spring? Are they gonNA play four games and then say, all right I'm done. I'm going to go sign with my agent, I'm out because. Because if I play the rest of the season, I might not get drafted I, can't do the interviews. It can't go to the combine. A can't go to my pro days. That is that what we're going to be getting with with this draft process. That could be what we wind up getting. We could also see the NFL and the NCAA particularly with the F. C. S. level. If, they play in the spring. We could wind up seeing a a radical solution, come up and perhaps have a second traffic or see a bunch of these guys. Go through, play their seasons than declare for the supplemental draft. And I. think that is a very interesting solution to this problem. Where basically, get a second draft season. After the. F., F. B. S. draft. and. You get the NFL, go through the draft process again, and then just have a separate draft for the F. C. S. level. Basically Spring football because I have heard at least speculation that the FCS could make this move to playing in the spring, a permanent thing which honestly I actually kind of like because that's There's a lot of good football played at the in the F.. And allowing them to play in what's basically a sports drought would get them a ton of national exposure that they just don't get in the shadow of teams like Alabama Lsu Clemson Ohio State Penn State Stanford. USC The power five. Cast a huge shadow and the FCS gets ignored and I'd like to see them get more exposure. As you can tell, there is really just so much that That is being impacted by. This year's draft class, there's going to be a lot of serious issues with properly evaluating these guys, and this is just the cusp of it. We're. We're not entirely sure what's going to happen with the power five. Do they play or do they not play more and more teams are deciding to say, hey, we're not going to do this Yukon being one of them believe Colorado State shut down for a period of time due to some serious program in structural issues. It is really impacting how things are going to be evaluated for this upcoming year. So we're going to provide some additional updates if things change just to talk about the draft here and there whenever we can. Possibly throughout the season, not as often as every single week. But whenever there's something that requires some updating, we will do so. That's it for this episode. Thank you for tuning in. Be Sure to go follow us on social media. You can follow me at Joe Deleo Chris at Raptor M., k.? I., and follow our main page at big. Blue View. On twitter and instagram. Also Biglou. Dot Com for your up to date news on the New York giants. Hi. 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Post-Combine & NFC South

First Draft

51:20 min | 5 months ago

Post-Combine & NFC South

"Welcome to first draft. It's the post combine edition. No kuyper standing right there. Lucas Oil Stadium. Next Todd mcshay. Lauda notes were exchanged. Barbs works change. Daniel was tense and then Mel would just go off into the night and partying up. That's what happened every night. I didn't get to break any bread with them but no one loves going to. Batat canceled on me. What's the latest you stayed out now? The latest from whatever we went back to the room we were supposed to go out with Louis Riddick and his group and I was very nice of Lou and and everyone in our group to how I don't even know how they got a table for ten. This was Saturday. Nomo's on Saturday nights sway man two hours before but I realize I had to do and knows. Mel is not a big dinner guy. Now it's going to go and then todd reminded us of that. We had some work to do and kind of you kind of lose track of that when Liu sitting there saying they were all going to dinner. Let's roll and we're working walking out of Lucas oil and Todd said well I got my mock. I can't go and I said well I got I got stuff to do with the dotcom stuff and all the review of the combines so I couldn't go so that was the night we had planned to. Todd did a great job. He was very nice and I spit. Oh boy he ordered us all dinner from. I don't know where it was built. An incredible filet with family. Almost yeah. Great mashed potatoes brought it back to the room and enjoy that so that was thanks to todd. Mcshay Kuyper guy that can get Sinoe Moses Hotel Room The tot. Everybody party to go we ordered. We ordered take out for forty four people that were stuck there until eleven o'clock at night. Kuyper got off a little bit early and I said to Aaron dumpty are. She's our girl. She takes care of everything I said. Listen here's the deal. I order a hundred sides. Make sure everyone gets what they want in terms of steak or fish. Whatever the the entree is but don't let Kuyper leave here without his own box of mashed potatoes. I know he's going to need it and I just don't want to hear about it tomorrow right. I did I did. I had the fillet that a lot of salmon was going on. There was either salmon or filet. There were a lot of shrimp cocktail and all kinds of star was crying. You're a Baltimore Guy Male. You're not the same guy. No Tim is the Kim Salmon. All the time Lauren get salmon all the time I get a fillet or or short chicken or whatever but not fillet was great. The mashed potatoes were phenomenal. I enjoyed that watching the combine the finishing up of it at the room that night and then of course we got out of there later that the next day but I tell you it was a lot going on long days you had warned me about the long it's different it's different and I say we could work for a living and I get it. I'm not complaining. I'm just saying talking. Forget about what you think what? I think what anyone in the media? Thanks people in the League. Were coming up to me and say we're not getting the same workouts and we're not just we're not getting the same information out of this because it's been moved from. We used to be done at four. Pm and now it starts at four PM and it goes till eleven pm in terms of the workouts and it just. It was a very different vibe. I could understand moving forward. Maybe you do the first night. Whatever it is with quarterbacks and receivers because that's good for TV but then move it back to what it used to be 'cause it it's not as big of a TV event is as the other offensive skill positions and nobody wants to be there sitting in in that stadium where it's silent and you're watching someone run of forty and you got your. Stop Watch out at eleven. Pm It's just no one's winning and most importantly the athlete is not winning the players. Not wanting the most important forty yards. You've ever run in your life and you were eight. Pm and you may been woken up one or two times in the middle of the night to take a drug test. Which could happen. There's medical there's the psychological the Wunderlich all the stuff and then all of a sudden hanging around. Hang around all right. It's nine thirty now. It's ten ten fifteen. Go Run your forty yeah guys and the NFL guys early riser. Remember her getting up for. Everyone was up at four. These guys are working out at six. Am They're ready to roll? They're ready to get up normal routine. Genyk gone get the Lucas Oil. Get the workout started and get out of there and have dinner and have a chance that go out with their friends and network and a war stories and do all the things they do until whatever time and they didn't have that chance there was no dinners at seven eight nine o'clock at night because they were at Lucas oil so for us we started early. Get up and and you know I take and sports centres early. So we're GONNA do that regardless and then to have your shows do late and then the combine going on Hey for the NFL people and the players themselves. They're still say their routine is get up and go and have to sit around and reminded me of draft when you had to wait until eight o'clock at night we're going on and doing our thing so for us we're used to that We've done it before and it's obviously to combine side. This is the first time for whatever work that way but for the NFL and for the pliers it was a big adjustment. Yeah guys but there was some good performances out of there and I wanna jump to that because there are some guys the combine you know we said at your after year. It doesn't necessarily it doesn't seem to drag down the top players the most that solidifies a lot of them and occasionally you'll get an eye opening number but consistently. I think the last few years we've looked at the top ten players going into the combine and it's not like get some dude. You had a number five drops into the second round. I mean you you have a sense of who that player is on tape and they usually end up backing it up and the thing that gets them is probably some weird medical but again. We saw that again this year. I'll start. I just want to start with moneymakers just in general. If you if we were GONNA pick out our top ten moneymakers todd who who jumps out one of them just the top and I know he solidified it but Isaiah Simmons who we've been talking about is who's the number four or maybe he's an suddenly. You're starting to think maybe this guy's a number three pick like Isaiah. Simmons out of Clemson had one of those workouts that we'll be talking about six zero three five. I don't have any of the numbers in front of me. Kuyper has a much better than I do. So he'll have all the numbers but the droid six. Oh three five to thirty six to thirty eight. Yeah he ran a four three nine. If you're if you're wide receiver wide receiver not named Henry Rugs. You are pumped about running a four three nine and then you you watch the tape and you see the versatility that he brings. I think he. I don't WanNA say helped himself. And this year's class with Derrick Brown at Defensive Tackle Auburn You Got Jeff Okuda the the cornerback from Ohio state. Obviously Chase young the other Ohio state player. That's going to be someone I think. Number two overall but somewhere in the top five it defensive end but to me with Simmons what he was able to run he just kind of solidified himself somewhere in that top. Five seven range. Yeah that's really true. Mel who goes on to watch to know you're seeing something and I don't mean to take away from him physically male. It seemed like he looked more like a Calvin Johnson Vernon Davis then a linebacker. A lot of that's just a length. Yeah it's almost like you know how we're GONNA use him. Mashing up on tight ends doing all these things for that second. Quarterbacks try to get the most out of all this talent at the pro level but I thought the MCI Becton Run the way. He did a battle between the trust and worst from Iowa. And and Jed Rick Wilson Alabama and have the Louisville. Kid Go out and and run the way he wanted to six. Three hundred sixty four is insane mill. And he's a good player. He's he's got quite right and left tackle one. He's going to go way up there but again. How high can they go? We HAD AN ATTENDEE CLEVELAND. Onto where you mocked them in the last one. Todd I think Eighth Arizona. You might have not yeah. So he's in that the quarterbacks go somebody's going to drop down at Jacksonville they can't go regardless of how good they looked at the combine. Because whatever you WanNa make the spin. This thing may want to spend it. The quarterbacks are going to go so if they do. Somebody's going to drop just a little bit. It's not going to be the corner. Okuda may not be Simmons. Brown's going be in that group. Becton's GonNa go and somebody's GonNa drop down the eight nine ten but I think the receivers you know. It's a good group. It's not elite at top. Where does Judith Jerry? Judy and CD LAMB and Henry. Rugs go off the top ten just a bit. I thought of all the guys there when you look at the smaller college guys and a Kyle. Duggar from Lenore Rhine and a Jeremy Chin from southern Illinois. We've mentioned them going into the combine into come out with the numbers that they did with the Productivity Chin with thirteen career interceptions fifteen tackle they against western Illinois running and testing the way he did. Duggar with the ten career interceptions six punt return touchdowns dominating the D. Two level than at Hickory North Carolina. I was I was really by that why I like getting into getting them. A little on them. I dug her back in August. But anyway yeah chant. Seriously I did have a generator chanoine. Espn DOT COM. I did I did seriously radar guy back in October. I think I had. I think I'd Dogar but you definitely a chin you're what about some guys that Raise the most questions I you know. I'm Jay Dobbins doesn't run. Is it a big deal to y'all what happened with chase on l? Lsu there were some. Some of the workouts didn't happen and I put the quarterback in a separate category. Nobody Cares Joe. Borough didn't throw not too worried about chase young but whether any of those that kind of raised eyebrows. Well here's the tough part. Everyone everyone in the League wants them to work out and I get it and we all do we. We WanNA see how they how they work out with their numbers are but you gotTa Understand. A players from lsu played three additional games compared to a lot of other schools and and we're playing three four weeks later than a lot of other schools and so climbed. Edwards comes out and he doesn't run. A great was at four six. One I think in the forty yard dash who cares. Put them in the slot. Put HIM OUT. Wide Watch his vision study his tate. This guy's a player watch. This is center of gravity in the ability to grind out three two nine yards just with his lower body strength even though he's not the biggest back in the world. So I get why some guys wouldn't come out and compete in the case of a Kayla von but I also when Edwards Allaire shows up and says you know what I know. I'm not going to run well but I'm still GONNA compete. I love that too so I I. I don't put a ton of stock in in all of this. I just think you got to really study the tape and no these players and you put some of the stuff in perspective and also there's going to be an Lsu Pro Day I think on April the third. And maybe he'll run a little bit better and we'll kind of compare those times yet grant who will be running there as well be huge over the safety from LSU COMING OFF. The ankle expected to run four. Four eight we'll see if he does but he's expected to run extremely well. You mentioned Clyde Edwards. The layer with the four six one searching Devon single terry last year with the four six. It doesn't matter. I think when you look at you two guys. That we had talked about T- Higgins not working out in K. J. Ham lower It would be nice to see them there. But Hey the pro is going to be coming up. I was with Cam Brown Penn State. Pass rusher edge guy at the airport leaving Indianapolis. He was disappointed with this. Four seven four seven. Three run again so You know he'll you know it's amazing when you talk to these kids down they get. I remember with Bosa with Niclas. You're disappointed is for time and and now. Do Cammarata said Kim run again. He said he was running. Four five five four five eight every time and then runs a four seven four seven three right after Jordan Brooks which wasn't a good one the run after you know with four or five four with Jordan ran even with coming off that shoulder injury heck of a player at Texas tech inside linebacker. But I think you see these kids they get so fired up its pressure. It's their technique. He says technique was a little running the forty so the vote as you well know and the boasts is that they competed right. And then if you really studied the history of the of pass rushers. It's about three cone The shuttle and what those numbers and they killed it but yeah. Joey ran to somewhere in that range in. Nick ran a better better number. But we still miserable for seven. Eight or seven six. Yeah it was. It was seven eight seven six. Hi Four south down. Yeah and then. He was still complaining about it when I was at Ohio. State's pro day three weeks later and I was like. Don't worry about it. I like the rest of your numbers are great if you WANNA do some drills do some drills but we we know what you can do as a player everyone in the league does. Don't worry about it but it's easier for it's easy to save for the top ten fifteen percent but the rest of them there. There is some stuff on the line guys. I wanted to flag this too. Because you guys you guys have both agreed that this wide receiver class is really deep and Todd. When you mentioned hamlet. Didn't even run a t higgins where we didn't think is going to run really fast but he didn't run but we still had you know there were some questions that are like oh because there wasn't that like crazy time because rugs didn't just do the break an all time record people. I think are overlooking the fact that like twenty guys I think ran sub. Four five one. It's their fans four. Five one is not slow. It's not slow. I it confirms that your fast. It doesn't mean you're the fastest but I mean there's guys like Julio Jones John Zarrella stats and Info Guy. I asked him before we came into the combine to take the best ten wide receivers in this class. He actually did for every position for me. What's the forty time? What's the average and I think it was four five four right and the average in the last five years in the combine is like a four five seven for wide receiver. So Jerry. Judy runs out of four four. Four was it right. Cd LAMB runs a four five. One COMING OUT OF OKLAHOMA. And everyone's like he's a little slow and the other crazy part was and I was part of it. Henry rugs from Bama comes out and runs a four to seven. We were all like didn't put that's his. I mean what's the difference between four to seven and four to two? Nobody gives a dig- on what he's rugs loves to. Play special teams. He will block and he's the Alpha dog in the room and you're getting a great football player so it starts with Judy in my opinion CD. Lambs right there and Henry Rugs. Then there's a tiny bit of a drop off but Justin Jefferson from Lsu. He ran well. It was four four three. He's a bigger player. Tough physical contested. Attendant's rant good. Yes yeah I mean. There's so many good players in five cents for flat to for Pitman's pretty good and which was better than the four five four for Schuster too but again this is. This is just yet another year at the wide receiver. Position Guys where. I don't care if the high end and it's Michael Thomas or the median in its Schuster. Juju Smith Schuster works. That was. Oh and it's Alan Robinson. There are so many of these guys that are big and fast and Denzel mems from Baylor is probably going to be a second round pick and look at the numbers I mean. He's he's flying four threes. I had twenty. I seventeen going into the senior bowl in the first three rounds. Twenty after that and now I mean you could argue somewhere in the twenty to twenty five range in terms of receivers they. They may not go but they deserve to go based on grades from NFL team. That's more than running. It's catching the ball at change. Prochet catches the ball todd so easily. I love him smoothie he's got that had him years ago when he was in high school but prochet catches the mall. So well that if you can get him in day three which you probably will. I mean he's going to be a nice fit for somebody and then nice contributor so just it's more than the forty s that's watching these guys. Catch the football. I want to say Hamblur. We'll see at his pro day. Catching the ball is going to be. Important for him. Higgins wasn't about to forty. There's more about his explosiveness and and things like that. So we'll watch him but he's still a first round pick. Hamblur is probably a border line. One one early to mid two but I think prochet is a guy that's GONNA be overlooked may get lost in the shuffle just a bit eilly productive every year and just just watch them. Catch the ball. It's like it's like a shortstop with soft hands. You know you don't get the bobble. Everything with him is natural and he gets it. So guys one other category here we know the wide receivers excuse me. The wide receivers obviously are loaded. But we know the quarterback's at the top of the board. I'm interested the buzz. You guys were hearing about that second tier. Who's going to be a day to quarterback has? That's where it gets a little bit more mixed. I'll start at todd. The name that popped up for me is a lot of warm warm feelings in the workouts. Everything around jalen hurts starts. You start to think okay. Maybe threes here. Maybe maybe there's a to to be found here. What's what's your vibe on. Who moved up from that second tier hurts hurts a great workout. I was surprised I watched them throwing and it looked like he had a more compact delivery and the ball was coming out on time and he's always had a good arm that's never been in question but he was placing the ball better than when you study his tape and what you see. It was interesting it really this year. You could actually see the differences between people obviously burrowing to a ton of. I didn't work out Herbert with the the ability to drive Jordan love with the twitch from struggling to get the ball in the deep out route and that was punishing to watch even though I think. He's one of the brightest if not the brightest quarterback in terms of football intelligence in this class shake eastern. How great his deep accuracy was. There were so many different things to take from from this group. But I did think hurts. Way exceeded my expectations at least mill. It hurts and from it was it was kind of. Who'S GONNA go higher in the draft and people say automatically it's going to be to strive to take from you have to? You may not think he's Aaron. Murray Eric Zeier were more. Andy Dalton. That's what I say. I think you have to watch you. Think more air Zaire who was a third round. Pick Georgia. Zaire was good enough to tank Bella. Chicken Cleveland. Yeah so that's the name you heard Eric Zeier so if hurts hurts. His tastes some hill. He's going to be using that role you know you're you're what are you getting out of Jake from? You'RE NOT GONNA get anything the first year. You'RE GONNA get hurt in packages. You're GONNA see your really smart back. He's a he's GonNa play in packages and he's going to be that tastes him hill role. You can change things up. You can get productivity. You can get Georgia hurt. Love him or still are looking forward to seeing a little bit more physical talent at that position which is crazy to say. I you know I love Jake from as much as anyone in the country. Any scout out there but But there are some people Georgia like. Listen we love him so amazing. What what he did. You can't deny it but there are some people who are like we're looking forward to getting a little bit more physical alatorre quick and that doesn't mean the third round he wouldn't be a guy somebody's gonNA bring in. I just think hurts. You know you're getting that were as a rookie. He's going to be able to contribute for you and he's going to give defensive coordinator is a little bit something to worry about so if you get him in the fourth round. You've got a Guy I think at that point will help your football team. I think Stephen Montage from Colorado is still an enigma. He's got talent He's got the size of the armed talent athleticism. He just needs to be more consistent. You bring him in. You develop him as a guy down. The road may be something to look at and see what he can do. Eastern to me is a tough one to evaluate. I I was little. I was a little underwhelmed. He's all about the deep ball. Fine that's a strength. He's got the big arm but yeah he's just a little inconsistent but he wasn't Washington the same way. I still think he's borderline late first early to mid second. He's so sneaking their as your fifth quarterback he could with love and Herbert obviously vying for that spot and our bet. We'll get through sooner or later during this podcast but I think when you look at each and he's still kind of a wildcard there in round one but he's yeah he's the wildcard. Yeah it's either if you're vegas and you're setting the line it's four or five and a half and eastern is the swing vote hurt four and a half. Let when we before the combine your thought. Well it's going to get the four. Maybe four looks definite and then four pretty quickly and then all of a sudden there will be a pretty big drought. I think the only way that happens. Probably in the first treaty into get Easson. Probably somebody taking them. Whether it's New Orleans New England. Maybe but that's pretty much it agency thing is. Yeah it makes it wild. This year I love. I love how we're going to get to Vegas. Mallon TODD EVERY YEAR. We do the props show and todd you know during the the reads are after the shows like. I got that I got. I Know Todd Scott like is going to be four or five offensive guards. I mean we're only going to be like fifty yards from Caesar's todd is going to have to have like a crew of runners. It's like four and a half point remind me to go to the. Atm just takes his show for. There's a limit. There's a limit on how much you could play on these crops one year. You can't try to win. Fifty thousand one a prop this. You know the limits are going to be like you know. They're going to be like three hundred up to dine and Todd's get it's not that he's going to be on one he's going to be about ten of them. Yeah I don't bring it five thousand with me. You Bet you're going to need it then guys we're going to take. We're going to jump into obvious reason. It's right todd guys. We're going to jump into the always odd. Nfc South teams. We got the Panthers. Picking at seven. We got the bucks at fourteen. Got The falcons at sixteen and we got the saints at Twenty Four Mel. I'm going to get this started with the panthers. Let's see if we can find good disagreement between you too because you both have derrick brown as a fit there some way on how the board falls but I. I'm really fascinated here because I want to know how much juice matt rule has and I want to know how much he likes his quarterback not just for this year but for next year. Is Emma just crazy to think that there's a quarterback maybe in play it seven? He see Cam is going to be there. I don't know at seven to get the boroughs not happening not happening. I don't know how they feel by Herbert love. That's up to matt ruined his staff there with Brady to figure that out there could be. That could be the spot. I Don Terek Brown. Were all mocking Eric. Brown. You did. I did the first two mocks Derrick Brown and figuring get past there but the quarterback spot if they feel hey one of those two whether it be Herbert or love assuming to ago's a somewhere ahead of them and they don't trade up to get him walking and burrowed number one spot to the bengals. Yeah I do think quarterbacks in play for them in that division you know Tampa Bay is GonNa do something. They're that Jane Mrs Sitting there kind of an insurance policy. If we can't improve it will see what Tampa does. Atlanta's Got Matt Ryan for a little longer. New Orleans drew brees for another year then is it. Tastes Him Hill. This is where if you can hit with that young quarterback then you've got a little bit of a leg up in this division todd fascinating too because you know they have Cam Newton obviously but the injuries have popped up and he's really entering his the last year of his deal by all intents and purposes. But I think the weapons situation. Here's interesting obviously have Christian McCaffrey. He's kind of that. He's the hybrid. The Alvin Kamara role. Maybe with a little more volume then you guys started out as a running back at Ohio state and Curtis Samuel and DJ. More is a weapon in play here seven as well. I I like. I'm just going away from awesome player. Derrick Brown but I I'm fascinated I would I mean maybe but no maybe no. I think they need a corner. They need defensive line. I mean you look at what defense. They need an offensive tackle. They gave up fifty eight sacks last season. They were fourth worse than the League in terms of rushing yards allowed. They're losing Gerald McCoy Mario. Addison Bruce Irvin Vernon Butler. This team needs someone who can come in and be an impact player in the front seven and they could use a really good offensive lineman if they can get one if you if you're sitting at seven and there's a deal to move back a little bit. Maybe you do that. And and try to package and get a an offensive tackle later in the first and and the defensive linemen four five six spots later because we talked about twelve thirteen and fourteen are in play in terms of teams that need a quarterback and want to move up to get one and some somehow some way. If there's a quarterback sitting there at seven then maybe Carolina could cash in on it but to me if it's not quarterback than we gotTA GO D. Line. We're going to go line and then we need. We need a cornerback as well before we even start thinking about offensive weapons in shame as you develop James Bradberry. Who's a real good who earned? He's got the length he's coming on and you could lose him of about the franchise tags and all that thing but he's going to be a hot guy in free agency and then that division. You're going up against a lot of talent with Evans thinking about that division. Todd you gotTa deal with Evans and you gotTa deal with. Julio Okay so you gotTa have a corner with some size and the long arms and the lane and the physicality and Bradbury gives Carolina exactly that but if he moves on obviously you mentioned corners and the Bradberry is going to be one to watch and see where he lands free agency. Hey Mel and todd I guess it's not really Draft question per se. But it's it's a fascinating thing that happens when a guy goes to temple. Now obviously there's some pedigree before the but he goes to temple I mean he's he's it's it's good. He gets them to a place they they don't really get to. He goes to Baylor. And it's a mess and you know Matt Rule Matt Rule Looks. He's he's builder. Smell both of you. Though but mel start like are you all in are you? All in on rule are are you. Are you by and I mean you watch a lot of college? Football obviously ASLI is this. This guy had competition and basically didn't let them get on the plane to New York. Yeah Golden Rule. Yeah I think he is the right guy. Their loved the way he talks about communicating with players. Todd he's big into that and that's why I always think I always say. I'm amazed about a lack of communication in some of these organizations. They don't let players know and where they stand and they. It's confusing sometimes as well. Why that's not happening. I don't get it matt rules big on that so I think there's an immediate respect their credibility there and I think there's nowhere to go it up now. They have a lot of needs. This team's got a lot of areas going to tear it down and build it back up. Carolina needs to do here at certain spots a lot of holes a lot of issues. But I think for Matt Rule of Panther Fan. I think I got the right man for the job. I would be very surprised if in three to four years. We're not sitting here saying that rules on the better head coaches in the NFL. I was down in Waco. I've met him a few times when I was in Waco. I think it was late. October early November. He's he's very easy to talk to. And which is really important by people. I think we kind of over. We overestimate what players are looking for. Be Able to talk to me but be honest with me and then push me to get better somehow and he does all those things now he has an old school mentality. And that's going to be in my opinion. The only part that's going to be interesting to watch because he pushes his players college players very hard. And you know you find the thirty two year old. Nfl grizzly veteran. That really just doesn't want that. But can he find the right players and make sure that everyone in the organization is brought in? I think he can and I I love him. I think he's I think he's going to be great coach. I agree with you but that would be the only thing if I was consulting him which I'm absolutely not. He's much smarter than me. But that's going to be the interesting dynamic or the tight rope to walk early in his. Nfl coaching careers. A head coach. Push them but how do you manage some of the old guys that just you know? They don't need it anymore. Guy's the Tampa. Bay buccaneers honestly actually had some some really positive. Things happened last season even though they're even though they weren't in the playoffs probably more competitive than some people realize a lot of that was obscured Mr Kuyper because we still at this point. I don't know what we have in Jameis Winston. I mean he's he's the human roller coaster he can throw three picks in the first quarter and then throw himself a rope and be brilliant for the next three and now they're at this inflection point really in terms of the the the the direction of the franchise because they gotta decide. Is this guy. Worth fifteen to twenty percent of our cap. Yeah it's astonishing it's hard. I just talked about Carolina and I mentioned how bad. Hey if they hit the quarterback whether it's Herbert or love or whatever they got a leg up because you know anything about the division brees is nearing the end of the trail. We don't know what to say. This is a fascinating division. In terms of age and question marks the quarterback position Winston is frustrating. Thirty touchdown passes thirty picks. They said now preserved is to throw. It's just like sometimes you think he's snake bit or what's he looking at? Why did he do that sometimes? Use But third out of the thirty Bruce Arians said ten were on on ten. Were legitimate like they say ten which means we're legit legit interceptions. Like they were twenty. Shouldn't have happened is what you're saying. The same thing in college and Bill. Polian was yelling at me about that too now. He says now seeing better being able to have the better vision got that corrected and a lot of his ball sale. Hi Four they did in college as well because he was prone to that but if he could cut that from thirty to fifteen thirty fifteen touchdown interception ratio but thirty thirty. And like I say and I think what areas is saying. Can I get better now? I'm not I would rather have. I'll say this I would rather Jameis Winston and Teddy Bridgewater right now because he knows this offense. Arians likes him. He did throw for a lot of yards and thirty touchdowns I would give them one more year before I would make that name could possibly go there. Would you cut the cord with James to Bridgewater and think? You're getting a huge improvement. Why can't I have both a lot of cap? But but so let. Let's go play the market him for starting quarterback. That's what I'm saying. So let them play the market bringing teddy. It is a of kappa. You know what you gotta figure out that position at Ted. He's not GonNa make the mistake but said he's not going to give you the take chances on that's healthy. He's going to win you games and you're GonNa be you gotTa shot. It's just about keeping healthy. That's the whole thing in mind. This was this was a greatly improved defense last year. That was part of what was so frustrating about James Is. They actually had a lot of things on game. Gene is. If you don't lose this game we won't his game but he did report could right the guy who was a bust here in Baltimore Number Shot. Perriman per shot. Perriman came through with a lot of big catches for that football team. They got him slot they move around and he may plays and and all of a sudden. Godwin they can get Jay Howard getting in in in the strong role now in that offense wins. Yeah he's got yeah. He is no excuses. It's still a bit of a question. Mark that's a concern with worry agent. So we'll see what they say though. It's okay it's okay you're right and I think Jamus another year with James. I would roll one more year. Errands is secure. I would roll one more year with James and hope that he can significantly cut down. If he doesn't then you'd know you're cutting the court gone goodbye. But I would go one more year with James if if the option was say teddy. I like teddy but I like James. It was number one can address. Are you kidding we thought James would be franchising right now? Tampa should be sitting here. Todd at this stage of the game with Cam Newton being a question mark and drew one more year and Matt Ryan getting a little older. Now they should be. They should have excited. That was all setup dominate quarterback. Right now and all right so you look at the defense though and some of these guys are getting older but if you look at the two deep between new CARL NASA did they sign Schachter. During the I heard franchise. It's on the way Bo Allen I mean there there are nine guys in the too deep in their front seven that I'm looking at right now that potentially could leave via free agency and that was the strength of the team last year. So you gotTa make sure you can sign those guys. Plus what do we do with With James and then we bring in another quarterback so they've got some work to do and again there at the draft spot at fourteen where it's not like you're going. Oh you know. One of these quarterbacks is going to drop no happening and if one of them is there. There's a reason it. Nobody's thinking all right. This guy's immediate competition for. Oh by the way is for thirty million. It could happen though. I mean you know Mellon I get heated and gets competitive but burroughs going one. We all assumed right time. I is going to go in the top five. I think probably in a trade a little bit earlier assuming the medical continues to go well then. Herbert Love Justin Herber from Oregon Jordan. Love Utah State. There's somewhere in that range. You got the chargers at six. The Panthers at seven and then again twelve thirteen fourteen so he could get there. One of those guys could get there. I should say but but you can't bank on it and then do you start. Packaging picks which I would not want to do to go up and take a chance as much as I love. Love is Mel says and as much as Mel Loves Herbert. And I like Herbert. I wouldn't WANNA package picks to go up and get one of those. Let me just correct one thing taught you said I. I don't love Herbert okay clarify. There's a big interesting. How feelings change over. Not off the James. This is a mock draft. You always see. You're you're such a you're such a also you need. I'll say a frustrating anthony. That's what I'll say because sometimes I think to get it wouldn't mock perfectly. You're not caring about ratings. And then you jump back into talking about like what we think about these players matters. When you do a mock. It doesn't matter wherever I say about Herbert worries over time. I don't get it is what I'm trying to fight. You know you got it the other day when you were doing your mock you explain the fact that it's about what you're hearing is not about what we think about a player in terms of rating. I are fact. Perfect screamed enough. Mcshea got it back to your husband doing this for about twenty years but it's good to know people can still kuypers lap and get a draft lesson. Chris I said I don't even know what I said. I don't know Herbert I don't know. Can I go back? He's going to be. How can I love somebody when I don't know what kind of quarterback they're going to be? Hey Mel who was it? That said James was a little snake bit. Because I'll tell you snake bit will get you fifteen. It won't get you I'm with you. Got Some of those interceptions Sitcom towards the end the gains. How many came late? What he was just after having three end up. Four or five. I'm convinced of this with interceptions. It all evens out and not necessarily in one year but it all evens out there so many that we throw that should be picked or not picked and there are so many that we throw that are touchdowns and they're picked pick six so it evens out over time and and listen you can say ten you can say ten for Jameis Winston. That's fine. I'll tell you what the word he earned at least twenty of those worry with. Jamie's todd is. He's even out pretty high. I know I know guys. Let's hit the Falcons. This is an interesting one because this team. I mean this team was in the race to pick number one overall which had a starting on like existential Matt Ryan questions and then suddenly the second Dan Quinn basically got fired. He's like all right. Well now we're not gonNA lose anymore so I have no idea what this team is next year. I have an inkling that Austin. Hooper might not be around. That seems like a big deal. Julio Jones who has been aging verse is starting to get a little bit older even though he's got a pile of money stacked onto his name. There's major questions on the defensive line especially about. Who's going to get to a quarterback mel get me started here like you've given these guys You giving them a panacea. You've given todd's given them chase on obviously looking at that pass rush and if they can find value there at sixteen but I don't know man it's a mystery team. I feel that way about the draft though. I think you're on the right spot with that D. LINE. You think about this team since the super bowl when they were so healthy only offensive. Line healthy from start to finish and since they lost that game to New England that one. Then look what's happening. They haven't had good luck on the injury front. It's kind of been hit or miss guys in and out. Now you mentioned hooper is a free agent tight end. They have to figure out the pass. Rush running back. You could address that at some point probably GonNa have to pass rusher. Vic Beasley was not the guy They gotta get pass rusher. There's no doubt about it and and we'll see up an SS workout pro day wise and run grade okay drills at productive career at a strong finish to the season when he dominated Guy Austin Jackson. It's something is in the late first round discussion so I get land as a team. Todd where how many more years? You'RE GONNA get Matt Ryan at his best all time high grade. Todd worry yeah I would say three. I mean he's Oh wait. Twenty came in the League. He's not he's not breezed but he takes. He takes good care of himself. I I would say two to three of at a high level. If he's he's got the League's changing. We've talked about it a lot. He needs protection more. So than most quarterbacks that have come into the League in the last few years so if you you gotta make you gotTa know your personnel. That's the whole thing so so we got a quarterback to can't move that well and has got to be able to fall through as much as possible or many times as possible. Then let's get him an offensive line that's going to protect them and let's go from there. Let's get them run last year date. I know but let's continue to do it. And let's make sure that that's that's the strength of our team. If that's going to be my quarterback then I'm GonNa make sure that he's at his best so I need a running back. That can either protect actually running back that can protect and or catch the ball of the Backfield. Make things happen. So if he's got a dump it off and then I need I need offensive linemen and I'm going to a couple tight ends. If you're going to do it this way you gotta do it. The Right Way and to me that they should be putting a lot of money into running back defense offensive line and additional tight and I get it. They need a corner. They need defensive line and we gave them those positions but I would go on the offensive side to make sure. I'm giving Matt Ryan the best chance to succeed because he's really the only chance that we have to make a run at this thing. You ought to add a guy like Edwards layer can acres Florida State Harrison Bryant from Florida Atlanta makers. Bad Ass. I told you about that. You guys could get a second third fourth round at those positions of need and get the pass rush and help out McKinley Grady Jarrett and get that and then get the running back down the line. Just a bit tight. End Down Lines. I think running back and tight end. You can find some guys in that like say to five to four range. That can be nice players for you. I'll tell you what the the Falcons are kind of. I mean we know the saints are good. But the Falcons among the other three teams are like they're all the same. You honestly don't know which direction they're going to go because you okay. Matt rule is going to get this thing going and Carolina. Good we believe in him You Know James. If James through half the interceptions you could make a case that Tampa Bay. Ten Games last year and half being only fifteen. That's not even low of a number and this team you don't even know because they were a great team down. The stretch like weirdly. Good down the stretch and they were horrible. Epoch like famously bad defense for eight weeks so I get good players because I have no idea what they're gonNA be next season. They've been tough to evaluate even the people in the organization even Ryan who so two years ago. It was all the injuries especially on the defensive side and then this past year the inconsistency starting slow finishing fast. They know they are well aware that they have really good players and that they're capable of competing. I'm not saying it's a super bowl at but definitely a playoff type team. But they also know that they've got to stop the injuries and be more consistent. So I actually I you know belabored I actually kind of found it fascinating and I actually liked it that they hung on with Quinn because I was the rally late. It's kind of like when you cut a kicker. You know the guy goes over four and you cut them and then you go. Oh we gotta go pick up a guy who wasn't in the League yesterday you know. He's not necessarily better than your guide. And that's like you if you fire quin million up in a situation. Where like wasn't this guy just in a super bowl like two years ago. That's that's not so it would have been spotted. The rally late though saved them. Let's face rally late said but it should it even matter because they did get to a super bowl which they should have won if they move away from Mike Smith who good football coach and had them having a lot of success to go to Queenie gets them the Super Bowl game so they should have won haven't really recovered since the next year. They had all those injuries. And now all of a sudden there are Kinda jekyll and Hyde team so again. They're always one of those teams. You'll want to always say they're going to be a playoff team but you're hesitant last year going into last year. I thought they were and he's certainly be played like it down the stretch but they gotta put a full season together. They have not recovered totally. Since that super bowl was the New Orleans. Saints guys will wrap it up here. Todd this is a weird case where he assumed rubies. We'll be back. Obviously they'll figure it out. Kick the kick to cap issues down the road for another five years. But like you're looking at the saints and it's weird to have to say well they'll be good if drew brees is good. You know we've always assumed brees is going to be good but he can't have that year or he can't lose a weapon. Michael Thomas got a flat tire in the same way. That like rock didn't changes the Patriots. Does he have that Brady? Yeary start asking questions you like. Oh I don't know if this guy can paper over holes the way he could previously like you've given them in a previous draft. You give him brandon I from Arizona State so they have that other weapon to go with Michael Thomas. What else are you seeing here? You know beyond that. I think they could use another corner. They could go. I think you've gotTa make sure again. No you're no your quarterback you gotTa make sure you're you're tight on the interior offensive line. A versatile tight end would be another spot. But I'd say you know they don't have to use a first round pick but I think they need some speed it wide receiver. I think you're playing on the turf a lot and if you're not playing on turf in that division. You're playing in good weather. The vast majority of the time. You got a quarterback that has a a good arm and has great timing and you need to offset thomases a possession receiver who he creates the fifty fifty ball and all that but if you could get a slot and now all of a sudden we can. We can put a speedster in this. I'm not saying rugs is going to be available. Twenty four Henry rugs the wide receiver from Alabama. There's no chance but If you could get like brandon euch whoever averaged eighteen yards per catch Sixteen per punt return thirty four per kick return dern is past season at Arizona state and throw him in the slot and get him to to kind of offset. Where you have. That's that's what they do best in. Yes they want to continue to get better corner and all those spots but get weapons in this system and you're going to flourish it trey Watts Missa guy. They would hope they would getting a little more out of. We'll see what he can do. Now with three. It's showing promise and kind of fallen back chiming moments late. We'll we'll see what he can do this. Team that the Minneapolis. Miracle beat them. Then the bad call beat him last year. Brees fumble then wasn't a penalty. Rudolph wasn't okay. So they they left plays on the field in that game last year against Minnesota this team three straight years you would have thought had everything place to be a super bowl team and not some of the things. They had no control over a win against them. This past year some things they did control when against them something. They didn't want against them so again. They have just not had unless they good luck. They'd had horrible luck and they've had bad things happen at the most inopportune times they've been with with mad news to say about. It's one game playoffs totters home in the holy but three years in a row todd throwing. Lou Wise I go to war with the team every year. And if you come up short you come up short. I'm just saying from a talent perspective. They're right there they remind me of like Like Shawn Payton got this thing going on where he's like a marty. Schottenheimer team was the chargers and it was clearly a fifteen in one team and then suddenly Ladainian Tomlinson fumbling or at the browns and binder. I mean they've really been issue for a while. Yeah straight years with his three straight years with this team and they only got one more year through so that too but you know at some point. They comes together this this time next year when his tastes. Um Hill being a quarterback with the saints. Oh boy that's a pole. Hey guys we're going to wrap up the first draft for this week there with saints. We give you like fifty four minutes of content. A couple of nights fights next pretty good. Daniel walked back in. So he's not a ditch in the show. I thought that we know clarified. It's like Jerry Maguire. You think we're fighting. I think we're just talking guys Mel Todd. It was great enjoyed. Combine Mel survived. Indy for the second straight year. That's huge. That's huge. Getting word through Vegas with them. I can't wait for Mel to fly to Vegas and bring the Kayak so he can go out and the Blasio Fountain and a Kayak doesn't leave the compound believe I'm not I'm not telling you any dates or where he lives. I'm just telling you. There is a storm brewing. And it's headed towards Mel's house right around his birthday this year and he doesn't want us there but there's going to be about fifteen twenty of us we're gonNA show up his place and his lovely wife is going to accept us there and he's going to be really upset with me and we're moving soon. No I'm kidding so many executives asking me about this. This is this is taken on a life of its own bigger bigger. That are five thousand. Our Bet for the V. Foundation that'd be real quickly mcshea talked about wikipedia. The birthday coming up. It's a big number but it's a number. I don't really want to talk about because I'm getting old a bit old for a long time. But now we're really old especially mcshea and then sprout all these young guys and everybody's young. I'm just the old guy now which I was crazy as well as the young guy now the anyway exactly so I was always too young too old but anyway right after the event we have a big event in July then this not so big event that they're making bigger than it really is. I think we're going to bother you. I'll tell you what can Ireland's going to be rocking in July. I'll say candy island is going to be eastern shore. Maryland is going to be rocking July. It's it's tough love Mel. That's what it is. It's tough love guys that as I draft this week party plans we got the NFC south. It's all their combine moneymakers. We'll do it again next week.

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The Chris and Joe Show Mailbag: OBJ, 3rd round picks, UDFA's and more

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The Chris and Joe Show Mailbag: OBJ, 3rd round picks, UDFA's and more

"Podcast listeners. We Are Amazing Avenue, the espy nation New York mets site I'm Chris McShane and every week Brian Salvator and I discussed the current state of the mets Automated Avenue Audio. The show we try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view and not get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails. Give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on Apple podcasts on stitcher on spotify wherever you get your podcasts and let's go mets. Listening to the Chris and Joe Show on Vk, radio your go-to source for New York giants and else's. Talk. His. Story. Your tune into another episode of. Joe, show I'm Jodi? Leone joined by Chris Farm. We've got yet. Another mailbag episode for You Folks Training Camp Seemingly is starting up soon to meaning, there is a little bit of time before the season starts to answer any other possible questions that you have about the giants roster depth chart situations any other issues related to. Who could they possibly sign? How things are shaping up for draft picks anything related to the giants roster. We are going to be answering those questions and we have seven really good questions this week, so thank you to everyone who sent them in a couple of didn't make the cut, so we still appreciate everyone who did comment. Questions will possibly circle back and answer those the next time. We do a mail bag, but if he would like to send us, your questions feel. Feel free to send them to either of our twitter's at Jodi Leone, and at Raptor M., k., I. or comments under our weekly, pulling for questions on Facebook, and also you can send it into the message function on facebook. If you have any questions that you'd like answered so lot of opportunities to send in questions, we answer pretty much most conversations and question points that that people want to know about maybe lump a couple together if there are some similarities between them. I. Question that we have very good one big fan of this question here. Kent! Smith wants to know what will the giants due to stop those big yard pass plays. That killed us all last year. Will the new players be the answer? So this is a really good point, and it's something that I think a lot of people are wondering about is. Are we going to see a lot of last year with the secondary, or are we going to be a little bit more comfortable in games that we're not worried about constant? Forty fifty yard passing plays gashing the giants defense the defense despite them doing well on first and second down, so those new players are going to be so so key James Bradberry Xavier mckinney, but there's a couple other things Chris that might factor into more improvements than just those two guys. Yeah Yeah I think before we can say. What giants will do to stop those big Gash them. I. Think we need to kind of take a step back and identify why those big place happened. You know. I have to identify a problem before you can fix it and. Wait a few of those big plays came from. Communication breakdowns guys being out of position either de'andre Baker Netflix. Seeming to know what the play call was to Antoine. Buffet just not having the athleticism to get there anymore and also guys just. Being forced to play against their strengths now I, I'm sure there was a reason why Jane's Beshir called as much zone coverage as he did I. Perhaps it was to maybe try to protect all of the young guys in his secondary, but it really didn't work to. The strengths of Janoris Jenkins or core Ballantyne Sambi or D, Andre Baker or really any of them. I hope. Hope, at least that Patrick, Graham will call. More of the man coverage that seems to play. A lot of these young players strengths, and also as you said the additions of James bradberry exhibit mckinney guys who are both good communicators, but also a little bit longer, little bit taller, a little bit more athletic, so they can play that press coverage and really disrupt routes. And then from there, it will just come down to execution. I honestly and this is probably more of the the. Outlook on it. His I think that now. That James Becher is gone. You'll have. Less seriously disadvantages situations for various guy, so it's like now. We're probably not going to have players that shouldn't be in various positions to get Gash on like if you look at week one that was the clear indication that we were on a downward slope, because i Antonio's Tony Hamilton was out there playing outside corner, and he was just getting torn apart. During that game, so it almost seemed like they didn't know who to put where they didn't know who to trust. And then they were putting them in really bad situation, so they kept getting killed the Andre. Baker was in situations where he was. Off Coverage in zone where he wasn't able to understand his role in what he was going to be doing when you should have been using his strengths, which is playing in press coverage, running with guys following guys playing tight. Danja Baker was just not good in zone situations and you saw him making tons of responsibility mistakes in improperly analyzing his his responsibility on those plays the other thing that you brought up Chris that communication. It's a different look now of players that are in the secondary Antoine Buffet as gone. You add in Bradberry in mckinney. I think that there's a strong veteran presence, but there's still a talented group that there won't be mishaps from lack of. Talent but at the same time an overall improvement in football IQ that there will be cohesive communication. And also we can at least hope for improvements in the pass. Rush to help them out as well. Last year, the giants had really one of the worst four-man pass rushes in the NFL so they needed to dial up blitzes to generate any kind of pressure at least consistently, and the giants were one of those rare teams that when they send extra rushers. When they pressured quarterbacks, quarterbacks actually played better in some respects they had. Almost no drop off in completion percentage they. Had longer passes. Completing longer passes. It's really just not a good thing obviously and. Hopefully if the giants can get. A more consistent pass rush from. Oceans Jimenez from the addition of Tyler. Maybe, these guys! and. The, defensive line like. Dexter, Lawrence taking a step forward Hopefully that can. Put more consistent pressure on. So the giants don't have to put. Guys in their secondary in compromise positions to try to dial up extra pressure next question for today's mailbag episode. This one's a bit of a long one. We're not GONNA hit on. All of the parts that were added in on this, but here's the question from Matt Nunziata. Let's have fun play GM. You had an article about a week ago. Going over who was still around, the giants never traded away. Their draft picks for Leonard Williams. So let's say they didn't make that. Trade based on how the giants drafted. Who would you have taken at that spot? So there were a couple of other questions of how that would have affected the remainder of the draft, but for the sake of. Not Talking about this for forty five minutes because you could go down so many paths after this pick, which was pick sixty eight in round three, the list of guys that we really analyzed and the ones that made the most sense. Were Zach Bond I? Think would have been locked for this pick yet. Just make for May Zach. Honestly I. Don't think you need to overcomplicate it because they were big fans of Bonn before the draft, and if he was available I think at that pick for where pert was taken, they would've taken bone instead of pair. That is still pure speculation, however, bond or Hennessy in cushenberry I think would have been on table for those selections either center or going with the the talented edge rusher in Bonn. Yeah, absolutely! Yeah, I think. Born is. Or would have been the front runner to be that at sixty eight because he is able to get after the passer, he's very smart. He has the ability to play in space, so those are all things, the giants. Desperately needed. Then, there's also the centers where we saw just how much the giants invested in their offensive line this year and this is GonNa. Be a question we get to in the second half. Yeah, the the center position is still questions so I could definitely see a not hennessy or Loyd cushenberry. Really depending on which one? They liked for their intended blocking scheme. I can see them both being in play there, but. I would have been stunned had to pick at. It wasn't Zach born. And if for whatever reason they didn't go with Bond Hennessy. cushenberry could have been in play. There were some talented tackles still available with Josh. Jones and Lucas Neang. However. We don't really know if the giants possibly valued parrot over those two guys, so that might not really have affected much additionally some other players that caught her eye. Devon Duve Rene de Receiver out of Texas and then finally Terrell. Lewis the edge out of Alabama so there. There are a lot of really talented players that could have also been new. York giants if they chose to not trade Leonard. Williams, we'll have to see if any of these guys actually pan out to be better than Leonard Williams. But as you can see you know in our perspective as most fanciers perspective. We're still a little hurt from that trade because of this list of names that are. Seemingly, a lot of possible fringe first rounders pre-draft could have been members of the New York giants next question. We have from Cody Qaiser. What is the ceiling for this team? Can their offense be a top half of the League offense? So we'll? We'll address that second half of the question in terms of how this. Offense. Could possibly perform in the highest possible peak for it, Chris. You pointed out in an acknowledged when we were doing show notes that this giants offense was a little bit below that halfway point statistically in points per game so a realistic. Projection for me. Is. Them hitting a possible peak, not a guarantee, but they're ceiling for me is going to be right at midway point if they if everything works swimmingly and everything is perfect for them offensively right at fifteen, sixteen or seventeen makes the most sense because not saying that this giants offense can't. Be Very very good at best possible scenario, but you have to consider all the teams ahead of them that got better added a lot of talent during the draft and the giants in really add many weapons during the draft, so there's there's other offenses. They just got significantly better. There were already very good. This is one of the things about the NFL. off-season is just about everybody gets better. And that is especially true on offense. You know a team like the Tennessee Titans. They might not have made any splashy moods, but they will have Ryan Tannehill for all sixteen games. Aj. Brown who emerged as one of the best rookie receivers is going to be their number one receiver for. All Sixteen Games and just the addition of those guys in the second half of their season. that. That was really what powered them into the playoffs. You can even look at the play of Derrick Henry and he got to be more productive and more consistent once those two guys emerged for the titans. So even something as simple as that should help their offense. And they were there ranked above the giants released. They were by the end of last year. Then you have now the cowboys getting. Mike McCarthy is their head coach and adding CD lamb in the draft. You have the San Francisco Forty niners adding. Players and Really, the the whole thing is a moving target. Can we say whether the giants will be in that maybe top twelve top ten range? Yeah, I don't know but the. Certainly right around as you put it at fifteen, sixteen seventeen, at least for points per game that does seem like a realistic ceiling for the team yards per game. The giants were at twenty third. I believe last year you. Can they get better there sure especially if they make better use of Saquon. Barkley if he's healthy for all. Sixteen Games or games as our played, and you know if. Maybe the giants throw him the ball downfield once or twice. That'd be nice, or you know the same with Evan Ingram. If they get him involved down the field that really should help open up their offense and. Helped them to reach that ceiling right end very similar to like I said I don't think that this is me saying. They can't be capable of being a really good offense. This is me saying that they could be very good, but there's just too much going on ahead of them. And teams that are just slightly a little bit better and teams. That already did last year. That made improvements. Just off of the forty niners, and what they did in free agency and through the draft. They were a very good offense last year. They're going to continue to improve and get better in the seemingly a a continuous run of success for them. We've got a few more questions to answer here before we get to them. We're GONNA. Take a short commercial break. Here's an interesting one from Rob Leonard He wants to know. What do you guys think? Ob? Jay's legacy with the giants will be. Will he be considered a great giant? Chris you take this one I. Okay. Yeah I would say that is a complicated question. Simple answer is will he be considered a great giant, probably not. I think I don't think he was with the giants long enough. To really cement that kind of. All time go down in the record books greatness. I think if he were still a giant. If he was a career giant, I think he absolutely would be. I also think there is a lot of. Animosity towards him. Part of it is due to things he did, or you know like the boat trip or did say. But also I think some of it is. DUE TO A. Maybe in some cases, some media outlets trying to a create narratives create stories create interests in years that were otherwise kind of forgettable through for the giants like ESPN can't talk about Odell without showing that clip of him hitting the kicking net with his helmet or The blow up with Josh Norman. which that was frankly failure of both coaching staffs, and the referees before I even got to be the. Failure for the players. Odell plays in giants. History is going to be really complicated, but that also shouldn't. Make people forget just how great he was when he was here. I mean his first two years were better than pretty much any other receiver in the history of the League except for Randy Moss yet his rookie year, he rewrote record books in a way that we haven't seen a giant do since Lawrence Taylor. said that was the caliber of player. The giants had and I. All of the things aside. I don't think that should be forgotten, right? This is not an easy. Question to answer because of all of the contributing factors that went into Odell career with the giants. Look at how long he was there. He wasn't there for a significant enough time to really say he was. An, all time, great giant! He didn't have an extended career here. He ended up getting traded based on. Dave gettleman wanting to move on from him. We don't entirely know the full details. If that was a push to clear them out because they didn't like what what he was bringing to the locker room atmosphere. The way I look at it with OB J. though. Is because what of what he was capable of doing. Early on in his career as a rookie in his first few seasons, being one of the best receivers in the league, being very very dominant, making an iconic catch that will forever be considered one of the best catches of all time. That is enough for me to consider. Ob. Jay is one of the best rookies giants I've ever had. And also one of the best young players the giants ever had, but I would not put him in the conversation of best all time, simply an keep this as simple as possible just for the simple reason that Odell. Has, not been was not with the giants for a very long time. He was only wh-. What was it five seasons Chris that he was with the giants I. Just don't think that's enough to really say. He is an all time great now. We did a lot of great things statistically, but just not not enough jeopardy here in New York. Yeah, I think maybe the most fair way to say it is that he might not be an all time great giant, but at least as for as far as the giants are concerned. He was one of the greatest. has they've ever had exactly? That's the that's the perfect way to. Summarize our thoughts on OB J. Next question that we have from NYG news updates so this account twitter account centers three questions. We're going to hit on all three of them here. Wrap up today's show. I one being the center center is such a critical position on the line. Do you think gates are Lemieux having the time to learn the position before the start of the season, or will they go with a vet like? Or police, so we talked about the deal with Loppy. Oh, he him technically not being on the roster in the meantime, but I will say the fact that there are not going to be any preseason games the fact that preseason practices are going to be very different. There were no as it is going to be very difficult for a non center, a guy with no real center experience to pick it up quickly and impressed the coaching staff enough to make that move and start him at center I still don't think lemieux is going to be a senator I. Think they're gonNA. Keep him at guard Bud Gates I will give a slider edge despite having to make that transition if he does end up. Trying to play center because he's been in the League before. Yeah I. I think. Of their options. I think the heavy favorite is for them to go with Spencer Poli. Like you said there's not going to be any preseason, there really hasn't been much of a an off-season to speak of. So that's GonNa make it really hard for the young guys either of them. I think to make that transition and. Really give them the option to Inspire Trust in the coaching staff and I think. That, trust just given the way. Everything has gone so far and the importance of the center physician as the guy who calls protections who? is WHO. Gives the double teams with either of the guards is responsible for in some blocking schemes, anyway working up to the second level to block. linebackers. The center is responsible for so much. that. I think even just from the mental perspective they're going to want go with. A veteran. Just to have that. Seen, it done it. Had that continuity in the middle, so they don't have the protection breakdowns, or at least they have fewer protection breakdowns. The next question from MSG news updates is I have concerns about the limited time. Players will have to prepare for the season. How do you think the shortened offseason will impact the rookies in undrafted free agent, so we've? We've hit on this a little bit in. In the position previews, the general gist here is that it is significantly harder to make a roster as a UTSA for this off season than it has ever been. There's no preseason games where you're playing a significant amount of time to prove yourself. You're not going to get as many reps in practice because you need that limited time now to prepare your first and second teams. To be at the same level, especially for a new coaching staff that is implementing a new offense. There's a Lotta install going on during these practices, they need to refine all of those bumps with the first team, not as many reps for the second team, but primarily the first team. If you're not in that rotation, you're not going to get really any reps, and if you're not getting any meaningful reps and you're used on scout team well then. It's a lot more difficult to make the case for forgetting on the roster. There is just way less of a chance to make the team. If you're an undrafted free agent, it's terrible it's it absolutely sucks that this is. The one. One season where these guys are going to be really really tough spot yet end for a lot of these guys. This is their one chance, so yeah, ask for a lot of these young guys, I I just feel absolutely terrible form, and that's not just the undrafted free agents, a lot of the late round. Draftees like the. Giants four seventh round picks. There these are all basically trying to start their NFL careers behind eight behind the eight ball. So. It's. Going to have an impact on them, and also just for the rookies who? Even, more highly drafted rookies, the ones who are pretty much guaranteed roster spots. They I. Think are going to have a much much steeper. Learning curve than a drafty would have in a previous season. They didn't have OTA's. They didn't have rookie minicamp minicamp with the whole team. They're not going to have the preseason games of going against other squads or potential inner squad scrimmages. They're not going to have like even that third preseason game where teams more or less have their dress rehearsals inactivity scheme against each other so. They're going to be a lot of players who? Their first NFL action is going to be an NFL regular season game and. That his. That's less than ideal to say the least. I think we should really expect some. Bumps in the road rough sledding. Yeah, maybe even some flat out ugly football for the first month. It's it's not going to be an easy transition to the NFL for these rookies, considering the current circumstances with everything going on our final question that we have here is. Do you see Bj Hill? And RJ Macintosh making big contributions this year, or could either be in danger of not making the roster the way we see it and the way we talk about on the defensive line preview, bj Hill. Yes, he's going to be in the rotation. He's one of the more talented defensive lineman that the giants have right now. He just ends up being behind. Leonard Williams in priority of getting on the field became Tosh, probably going to get cut. He hasn't really done much. He hasn't done anything to impress. Anyone hasn't even really got on the field, so he is a big cut candidate right now. Yeah, that's. That's pretty much exactly the way I see it, I think. Hill will be on the field. He will be a contributor if he can get the right matchups a hopefully. Maybe take a step forward in his third season. Maybe, he can even. Be something of an impact for the giants, because yet he does have good sized good strength. He's also a good. Athlete especially for a guy of his size. He has the ability to play pretty much anywhere. Anyone of those defensive tackle spots. The giants want to line him. Up Ad and As, long as he can use his tools, he should be a contributor and. I don't think it's unfair to. Look for him to have. A legitimate impact. As, for Macintosh or a Chris Layton another. Late Round Defensive Lineman that doesn't get talked about much I. At this point I would almost be surprised if they made the final roster all right. That's it for this mailbag episode of the Chris Joe Show to follow us on social media at Jodi. Leone, at Raptor, M. K. I n.. At Big Blue View. Also rate subscribed wherever you've been listening to us. And head to our website. Big Lou View Dot Com got one more positional preview next week. Hope you enjoyed this episode. The safeties will be the final one. Hi I'm Brian and I'm one of the hosts of the Amazing Avenue Network of podcasts each weekday. We bring you a different podcast that covers the new. 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Eye On the Enemy #14: A Giant Check-In w/Big Blue Blue View

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Eye On the Enemy #14: A Giant Check-In w/Big Blue Blue View

"Hey there podcast pals. I'm John Stolnis. The host of the PHILLIES pod hidden season. One of the shows that make up the good fight podcast family from espy nation. Look the baseball. Season is one hundred and sixty two games long. And there's no way you can watch all those games so make sure to check out my podcast twice a week for all the fills goodness. You could ever want and make sure to check out our other podcasts including the award winning dirty inning with Justin clue and Trevor strunk and continued success with Justin and Laze Rozier. Subscribe on Apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast APP. Hello bleeding green nation and welcome back to another edition of eye on the enemy powered by espy nation and bleeding green nation. I'm your host. John Stolnis you can follow me on twitter at John Stolnis this week. We're going to take a deep dive into what the New York giants are doing here. This off season as I on. The enemy takes a close. Look at what all of our enemies are doing each and every week here during the Nfl off-season this week. We're going to turn our attention to our friends up north the New York giants. And we're GONNA talk to Ed Valentine. The editor of Big Blue View is going to give us the skinny on all the free agents. The giants have signed so far and what their plans might be for the NFL draft coming up. The giants hold the number four pick in the draft overall and so they are in a great spot to either up to help themselves with an elite talent or trade down a couple of spots and Pick up another another second day. Pick or something like that so and. I really like what the giants have done here. So far this off season on the free agent market. I just think this is. This is a team that is on the way up. It's getting better. They're a little bit ahead of the Washington redskins right now in terms of their rebuild and so The giants are not going to be an easy team to beat this year. So let's go ahead and welcome to the show you can follow big blue view the SP nation giant site at big blue view. And you can read the all of Ed's great work at Big Blue Dot Com. You can also follow Ed personally at Valentine Underscore Ed. Although he says he does most of his tweeting from the at big blue view twitter handle. Ed thanks so much for coming on I on the enemy. Good thanks for having me. It's it's good to talk to you and I gotTa tell you I I as I did a podcast last week. Looking at all of the top five moves that each of the eagles divisional opponents have made so far this offseason. I really liked the giants. Have done here. So far. Especially in free agency I mean you all had a ton of money to spend this off season. I think you had about eighty million dollars in cap space when this off season started close to that now now wait a minute. Wait a minute. Am I actually hearing praise for the giants from an eagle sky? At least for me because I just I I like I like the guys you've targeted and we'll go through them one by one here in just a second. I really think I really think the giants offseason so far has been pretty strong It's it's been interesting. They did have money to spend you know as a generic comment we can argue about whether each and every one of the players they chose was the right guy but I have liked their approach. So far yeah I mean I think the strength that the giants towards the end of last year was the offense. Now I'll get into that in just a few minutes so seems to me that most of the focus this off season has been on the defensive side of the ball which I think was was the right thing to do and I thought the most impactful move you guys have made so far. This off season was obviously getting Leonard Williams back on the Franchise Tag. It's first time you guys have used that since two thousand fifteen with Jason Pierre Paul. The team is still working on negotiating a long term deal. What's the feeling around the team as to whether or not that's actually GonNa Happen? Well I don't really know whether it's GonNa happen or not. I would think that the giants hope it's going to happen partially because they want to drive that number down for the twenty twenty season the franchise tag is. I think. Sixteen point one million and that's a lot for a guy who who doesn't produce a ton in terms of you know pass rush statistics Leonard. Williams is such a a controversial figure in the giants fan base because of the way it came about with him being giant. Because Dave gettleman made a a very some people would call it odd trade for him in the middle of last season. Because you don't give up draft choices for a guy in the middle of a losing season especially when that guy can enter free agency. You know the the following off season so the giants pretty much in my view. They had to do something to keep Leonard Williams just to To make sure they got something out of that trade now a Williams is a good player. Not a great one. You know at least in my view. I think he's an impactful guy but he's one of those guys who doesn't compile a lot statistically he's one of those guys who I think for whatever reason does his job draws attention makes guys around him a little bit better but doesn't really pile up stats on his own. So so he's a he's a guy who's really divisive in the giants fan base. It's interesting for me that you went to I. Yeah I mean I guess knowing a little bit more about the back story I kind of forgot about the midseason trade last year. I mean I I do. We have a lot of players on the Eagles defensive side of the ball who fit exactly what you're talking about like their disruptive there there there are somewhat productive but they don't rack up sack totals. They don't they. Don't rack up interception totals. They don't not a lot of forced fumbles and stuff like that but yeah. I guess I see what you're saying like if if you're going to invest that much in a guy like Leonard Williams when you're a rebuilding team you pretty much have to make it worth your while and get him signed to the long-term deal I just. I like him as a player. I think he's I think he's strong in the middle and I think he. I think it kind of fits with some of the other moves that the team has made with to strengthen up the middle getting middle linebacker Blake Martinez from the from the packers on a three year. Thirty Point Seven. Five million dollar deal seemed like a pretty good move to me as well. I know he's not great in the past game but seems like a guy who just racks up tackles year after year after year. What's he going to mean to the to the defense especially coming from the linebacker spot in the middle of the field? So you know the thing about the giants and Linebacker is that it's always been. It's always seemed to be a position that the giants are trying to piece together. They're always seeming to take. You know leftover guys guys other teams. Don't really want you know lower tier free agents guys in the back half of the NFL draft in sort of making do at that position. They haven't drafted a linebacker in the first round since Carl banks way back in the early eighties so they moved on this off season from Alec Ogle Tree. Who was a veteran player? A guy that was a defensive captain but a guy who really there were a lot of holes in his game in pass coverage in other things so for me the Martinez signing is an effort to really shore up that particular part of the giants defense. It's an effort to bring in a guy who can call the defense who can line guys up who has intelligence who has a real ability to to diagnose what offenses are trying to do. Martinez in a conference call with New York media. Said that he didn't feel like Green Bay used him to his best to to his best ability he he felt like he said he felt like part of a cleanup crew because of the way that the Green Bay played defense. He's been criticized for his tackles being too far down the field and he said that he thought that was was part of the way. The packers defense was was structured. Where he wasn't really allowed to attack. At the line of scrimmage he also said he felt like like you know he has a reputation that aware of for for not being great in pass coverage and he said again he felt like like that was partially because of of the way he was used in Green Bay. So we'll see how that works out. I liked the signing the giants. He's got familiarity with Patrick. Graham I like having someone in the middle of that Defense. Who's got experience called defenses before who has intelligence and should be able to to help teammates around him. The other big defensive move you guys made here so far this off. Season is signing cornerback. James Bradbury to a three year. Forty three and a half million dollar deal second-best corner on the market after Byron Jones and. I know the giants were after Byron. Jones I know. The Eagles were hot after Byron Jones. He goes to Miami but James Bradberry not a bad consolation prize right. No not a bad consolation prize at all as you said. Probably the second best corner on the market and it's interesting because bradberry in in his introductory press conference with New York media said that Dave Gettleman who is an object of scorn for a lot of folks in the in the giants fan base general manager. Dave gettleman is one of the reasons he came to New York. Cattleman cattleman drafted bradberry and Carolina. Bradberry has respect for gentleman. He has respect for what ghetto minutes trying to To get done in New York obviously gettleman likes the kind of player that Bradbury is and it's interesting because the people have talked to about bradberry saying that in addition to being a talented player he brings something to New York that this young cornerback crew with De'andre Baker and Corey Ballantyne and Sam beal and grant Haley. All guys with you know with one to two years of experience can really really use. 'cause everybody I talked to about. Bradberry lauds the way that he works lauds the way that he studies lauds the way that he practices in approaches the game in a guy like de'andre Baker who you know there have been questions about his work ethic. There have been questions about the way he studies. There have been questions not necessarily about his talent but about the way he approaches his job in a guy like that should really be able to learn and benefit from the presence of a bradberry. I mean having that veteran guy and also a guy that you don't have to be you can play a little bit more man when you've got a guy who's a really good shutdown corner you don't have to play as much as own. I know the eagles are hoping to be able to do that. More with Darius slay on the outside this coming season really did that also helps out the rest of the young defenders that that you guys have in the secondary for sure The another move. I really liked you guys made and this is kind of reminding me of the Marcus Golden Deal you guys signed. Last year was bringing edge. Rusher cuyler fact role aboard went on a one year. Four point six million dollar deal. I know there's a connection there between him and your new defensive coordinator Patrick Graham. What are the giants looking for in Tyler? Because he did. His numbers weren't great last year. But he has had success with your defensive coordinator in the past. I think a little bit of of what you talked about with. The giants are hoping that Patrick Graham. Who was faculty Position Coaching Green Bay. In two thousand eighteen when fat girl had a career high ten and a half sacks? I think it was. I'm I think the giants are hoping that Patrick Graham can get something like that kind of production out of out of fat girl in New York. It's a one year. Prove it deal. The giants did that last year with golden who had had a twelve and a half sacks season I think back in two thousand sixteen before he got hurt in that was in Arizona with James Becher as defensive coordinator Becher of course was was defensive coordinator for the giants the past couple of years and golden had a good year under James Becher. But right now there doesn't seem to be much interest from the giants in bringing golden back Lot of people have talked about. You know why haven't the giants made a big offer for JV UNCLOUDY don't they trade for Jahic at I think you pronounce it and Gakugei the Drescher? I just do the best. I can with data name to be honest with you. I on my own podcast. I get accused of butchering it all the time. So you know that's an easy one to butcher no doubt so. We do the best weekend. You Know Butt Fat. Girls in interesting choice for the giants. I think the giants are really still hoping that Lorenzo Carter who they drafted two years ago in the third round can take a step forward as a pass rusher. They were hoping for that last year. And it really didn't happen you know he's a he's an athletic pretty talented player but hasn't really become the kind of pass rusher that they hoped he would. They're really hoping for Zuma's who they drafted in the third round in two thousand nineteen the really hoping he can take a step forward. So you know it. Looks like they're gonNa be pass rush by committee pass RUSH BY SCHEME. Hope to get a lot of it from you know from different sources. Which oddly enough or maybe not. Oddly enough is sort of the way. They've always done at New England where obviously Joe Judge spent the last seven or eight years. New England has never had that that twelve fourteen fifteen sack guy that one guy coming off the edge who demanded a double team all the time they did it as a team and there were a lot of years New England had a good defense didn't instill didn't create a lot of sacks so so maybe it's maybe the giants are trying to approach it that way where it's not necessarily about the sack number. It's about you. It's about you know having as many good players as they can compile and it hasn't just been on the defensive side of the ball the giants have also made some moves on the offensive side of the ball although not as high profile. Cam Fleming bringing him aboard as a guy who can compete for the right tackle job but a versatile guy who can play guard as well know you Signed the team signed Colt McCoy to be the backup quarterback away from the redskins bringing brought on Dion Lewis To to backup saquon. Barkley running back. Wh- what are some of the other moves you know you can talk about those moves? And maybe any other free agent moves. The team has made that you particularly have a particularly strong Feeling about one way or the other. Well it's interesting what I really WanNa talk about. It is the approach. I think we can argue about is Colt McCoy. The right back quarterback is Dion Lewis. The right backup running back was Cam Fleming the right guy to sign as a swing tackle and a possible starter at right tackle as we talked about on defense was Blake Martinez the rights signing at linebacker. But I think what the giants have done here is. They spent the majority of their money on defense where they absolutely had to spend it. Because of you know how poor they were defensively. A year ago there needs on defense and also because of the way that the draft sets up the draft sets up in such a way where if the giants want an offensive tackle they have the fourth overall pick. And they'll be able to. They'll be able to get one. They'll have their choice of the offensive tackles they want in this draft. They could use help at wide receiver. This happens to be a draft where there should be a ton of wide receivers available in the middle of this draft. You should be able to get guys. In the fourth and fifth round who under ordinary circumstances in normal years would come off the board on day two so I thought the priority was right. I thought Cameron Fleming I thought was a good signing. Because he can play multiple positions if the giants. Don't get the Guy. They want as an offensive tackle in the draft. He can be you know a gap starter and do an adequate job. The one thing that we haven't talked about that I really liked going back to you. Know missing out on Byron Jones is the giants didn't give out any contracts longer than three years right and they front loaded most of that money. So you one of the problems. They faced the first couple of years of of the Dave gettleman regime. One of the problems they faced and part of it. Yes was caused by trading Odell Beckham a year after signing him. But one of the problems they faced was carrying a large amount of dead money in the way that they've done this now. If they want to get out from under the James bradberry contract or the Blake Martinez contract or any of those contracts that are multiple years. They won't carry a tone of dead money on a salary cap. So that gives them flexibility going forward. I liked that very much. Well let's step away and take a quick break when we come back. We'll talk about what the giants might be looking to do in the upcoming NFL draft. We'll do that up next to your own eye on the enemy baseball. Truly it is awful. I'm phillies writer. Justin clue join me every week. Along with John Stolnis Liz Rozier and Dr Trevor Strunk. As we discuss all the ways the phillies have hurt us on our podcast hidden season as well as historical anecdotes and raw emotional ramblings on our other shows continued success and the dirty subscribe to the good fight and you'll get conversations with insiders analysis of breaking news an stats stats stats together. We'll survive whatever baseball can throw at US and we're back on I on the enemy and we're talking about the giants and what they might do here in the draft coming up next month and we went over all the different free agent signings. They've really loaded up on defense. They've made some moves on offense but the giants have a plum pick here in the in the draft coming up in just a couple of weeks with the fourth pick overall in round number one. They pick number thirty six in round two They have pick on in round three four five and six and four seventh round pick so the giants have ten picks they can make overall. What's the priority here with with pick number four here? I mean I know you're not necessarily picking for a position necessarily but I mean you're going to have a ton of studs here. The giants don't need a quarterback so the giants thinker in a pretty good position also to maybe even trade down if there is a team that wants to jump up and try and grab one of the quarterbacks. What do you think the giants are going to do right now with pick number four. Well John The trade down scenario is very intriguing to me for the simple reason that you know. We talked earlier in the show about Leonard Williams in the giants gave up the sixty eighth overall pick which is fourth pick in the third round for for Williams so they don't have a pick early in round three. They're still in a position where they're trying to build a talent base. You know I would make an argument that there's more talent on this team today than there was two years ago when Dave gettleman took over. But when you look at nine wins in two years. It's obvious that they're still not enough. They're still you know. They still need depth. They still need help. In a lot of places they still need to increase that talent base so if you can take that fourth pick and maybe even spent two five for Miami and get a leak a late second round early third round pick in addition or you know spin it to Carolina And get a couple of extra picks. I like that for the simple reason that for me. The giants have two directions. They could go with this pick in the first round and the first direction is to go and grab Isaiah Simmons the the linebacker slash safety slash do it all defender out of Clemson and that's the way a lot of people would like to see the giants go. They could use that linebacker. They you know planning simple. They could use an impact defender. Yeah but they drafted Daniel Jones a year ago. They have saquon Barkley. Who's mentoring his third year and still obviously in his prime and you don't WanNa Waste Sake. One Barclays Prime. And you also don't want Daniel Jones to get killed you. Dave gettleman said this off season that the giants need to fix the offensive line. They need to give Daniel Jones a chance how to learn to play quarterback in the NFL. While he's not running for his life right so for me. The way I would do this is I would take at number four. Or if I was able to trade down a couple of spots I would be targeting. Whoever you know my scouting staff felt was was the best of those offensive tackles. You'd take if you think that's Tristan worse. You Take Tristan worse than you. Don't look back if you think. That's Jed Rick Wills are Andrew Thomas MCI Becton. You take that guy and you don't look back you do. What's best for the quarterback that you that you put you? Put the franchise in Daniel Jones. Hansie a year ago. And you have to help the guy. Yeah well and you saw with Daniel Jones last year that I think initially that was panned by. I think a lot of people including a lot of us at at BGN radio and bleeding green nation. And he really started to come into his own at the end of last year. I think his rookie season was exactly what you want to see. From a a young rookie quarterback there was a lot of development that took place towards the end of the season and I was really impressed with some of the Games he had towards in the last month and a half of the year We're look like he was really starting to get some kind of a rhythm going with guys legged area. Slayton and Sterling Shepard. There's a you know as a good receiver. I mean there there are. There is some talent there and of course saquon. Barkley is a game changer. Every time he touches the ball so going offensive. Tackle there in the first round makes a whole lot of censor- offensive. Yeah offensive tackle. Where are the best offensive tackle? You can get there at pick number four or number five if you trade. It down makes all the sense in the world. So if you go off -fensive tackle in the first round you get you get Daniel Jones to help. He needs in round number one. What positions of need to the giants have to kind of make sure that they get in on day two or are you just looking for best available impact player wherever that position might be at that point while I think I think if you go offensive tackle in in round one? I think that what you're looking for. You'd like to supplement edge at some point you'd like to find someone to be a free safety a guy who can play single high in has the range to cover both sides of the field. I think the giants are going to try Julian Lov who was drafted as a slot corner out of Notre Dame. He was moved to safety last year. I think he might get a shot at that role. If they don't draft someone you know over him. You'd like to get a wide receiver if you can I think that's another area. They have they have Darius. Slayton they have Sterling Shepard but shepherd in missed a lot of games with concussions a year ago so so that's kind of scary. Golden Tate is still on the roster. But you guys know him in Philly and Golden Gate is I think during his is age thirty two season and and sooner or later he's still a good player but he's not what I would consider a top tier wide receiver a game-breaker in sooner or later he he's GonNa lose a half a step in his productions going to drop so you need to supplement that position but for me I think at at at thirty six I think in late in the third round is their next vic. I would think that what the giants will be looking for as you sort of hinted at his. Maybe the the impactful defensive player that they can get regardless of physician whether that winds up being a cornerback whether that winds up being edge guy whether that winds up being another linebacker the pro I would just say that the most impactful defensive player they think is on the board. Well that makes sense. I mean when you're picking it ninety nine especially in the third late in the third round you pretty much are going with the best guy you can. You can find at that point but You know I guess the big question too and I've been reading some stuff about cattleman and his future with the team. You're obviously more plugged into it there than we are here but gettleman is obviously the target of a lot of wrath of giants fans and kind of kind of the butt of a lot of jokes by other in about the rest of the NFC east to who scoffs at some of the moves that he has made in. Some are truly your your your your shrug your shoulders and try to figure out exactly what he was thinking. How important is this draft? And this free agent class for Dave gettleman future with the team is is is. He is in a dangerous situation. If the giants don't improve markedly this year. The thing about it is look Jay Glazer of the athletic who's as plugged in or more plugged in anyone in terms of of NFL sources in NFL information. Glazer wrote the other day. That if things don't improve with the giants in the twenty twenty season that this gentleman's last chance that they'll show him the door and I I can understand that because they just hired a new head coach. Joe Judges a thirty eight year old first time head coach. They're going to have patients with Joe Judge if they don't think that Dave gettleman is the right. Gm or judge and Gettleman don't see eye to eye or if it's just not gonNA work with gentleman they'll move on. I have always thought as as this has developed under gettleman for for the last two. I've always kind of pointed to this off season with the cap space that they had with the fact that they've had to pretty good drafts. You know if they can have another one that gives them a pretty good core of of young talent that should give them if the free agents they signed this time. Pan Out a little bit better than than some of the ones. They've signed the first couple of years with Gelman. That should be a step forward. You know at some point at some point you have to start winning football games. You can't be building or rebuilding forever. At some point. You need to begin to show progress and and I do think that's the point that the giants are are at the complication is the fact that they have a thirty eight year old rookie head coach with a new defensive coordinator new offensive coordinator second year quarterback and you're not going to have an off season program. The complication is. How does all of that impact the giants ability to be truly ready whenever the NFL season does start? That's a great point that I hadn't thought about especially with rebuilding teams with young quarterbacks for the You know with the Eagles. They haven't experienced coach. They haven't experienced coaching staff. They've all been together for awhile. Carson Wentz has been together with his with his offense for awhile. It hasn't occurred to me that this this off season where they're not going to be able to really get together and do a whole lot. It hasn't occurred to me that it would be a big problem because the eagles have a pretty well established base of players are always gonNA add some players in the draft that they hope are going to be really impactful but yeah for a team like the giants I guess that that is a really big worry and and the way you just described it it sounds to me. I was thinking the giants might be a team that can that can improve if they get the guys the type of players you're talking about on day one and two in the draft to go with the guys have already gotten in free agency. I see a much better giants team in twenty twenty then what we saw in two thousand nineteen but that doesn't take into account some of this some of the uncertainty surrounding the virus and the fact that everybody has to stay home. Well we had the opportunity to speak with Cole McCoy. The other day on a conference call and it was interesting because in looking at McCoy's career I realized that Colt McCoy was in his second season in two thousand eleven and he had been handed the starting job as mortar back of the Cleveland Browns. And what was two thousand eleven? Two thousand eleven was the lock. It was the last time there was interrupted. Nfl off season the last time. Basically that teams didn't have an off season. They showed up training camp. And you know. He told him he said you know. That's when I got my playbook was in training camp. He said that interruption was the worst thing that happened to him in his NFL career because he lost an entire off season you know when he was expected to lead a football team and any couldn't get a playbook with a with a with what he said was a brand new offense so you know so he has experienced so that. I took that as a warning. You know that that this is problematic. You know he happens to be a good guy to have on the roster to help Daniel Jones navigate this because he spent through it. You know the giants will at least have the opportunity. I believe Teams with new head coaches under normal circumstances are supposed to be allowed to begin their. Ota's on April six which is next Monday And that's that's obviously outdoor. But I from what I understand. Teams are going to be able to. At least disseminate. The play books do some some video conferencing to begin to learn to play books and get to know each other and all of that stuff but it doesn't replicate getting on the field so so it's a real challenge for for a brand new coaching staff. Well listen I'd like to talk to you again after the draft some point just to kind of catch up and we can talk about what the giants did in the meantime if you. WanNa keep an eye on what's going on with the New York giants. Make sure you're checking out. Big Blue View Dot Com. 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Quarterback Concerns

The Bill Barnwell Show

59:45 min | 10 months ago

Quarterback Concerns

"Welcome to the Bill Barnwell Show Bill Bardwell Espn Talk Fourteenth Two Thousand Nineteen Week six almost in the books one more game to go in week six a very strange ric sects planted weird things happen in the London Games seven turnovers is pretty special yeah this was doesn't want his teams to stretch because if you are being chased by a dangerous animal you don't start stretching before you run which I mean hey maybe there's some panthers who faced one of those classic 2015 starting quarterback Jameis Winston and the result was a seven turnover day now mation a few things like you look at You know for instance I mean he had James Swinton at five interceptions five interceptions it's not good you know the first two I think it's interesting to note that both the teams that win over a day late in these two London Games so far the bears it wrote that like Bruce Arians introduced a sports science program to the buccaneers in two thousand nineteen I mean what making his regular appearance on the show hello will bill how're you doing I would I would like to give my condolences to the to the class of two thousand fifteen NFL draft Komo snatched up the second one easily and I think really at that point the game was sorta over right like I mean once Carolina got up twenty seven ten the buccaneers came out sloppy as all get out and look like they weren't ready to be there the other interesting thing I think it was a gentleman on on ESPN akers luckily he didn't he didn't see he was staring down. Receivers didn't see luke equally Anita play key combat the first pick but let James Bradberry get to it and then Kiki you know mostly me that's second interception and twenty seven seven it was the second reception by keithly he gets down to the I think eight yard line and then they run logic to that but yeah I mean this is a Buchan ears team that that absolutely compromised in strange ways it's almost like their win over the rams and sort of what's going on for them and if it's GonNa stake in what changes they may have to make to keep their run going and everything and obvious place to start with our guest today who is CBS sports will Brinson uh-huh Bruce brought it and be like twenty nineteen you like we maybe maybe she gets them sports science the Brazilians who famously taught did a pretty good job at least for I mean they help Christian McCaffrey to thirty one rush shards yeah I mean they if they didn't they the bucks defense did their end of the bargain and the niners were the chiefs loss we're going to get to those teams later at the jets beat the cowboys cowboys and a bit we've been talking about four team today who are heading in different directions and they didn't run the ball with Curtis Samuel on a you know like a play fake look to to McCaffrey he scores is twenty seven seven and it was like I'm not sure what you got on the plane guys one by James Bradberry and then the second one by Luke keithly in a game frankly that the u the buccaneers tried to give away and then the panthers wouldn't take and the buccaneers defense this coming out of college and it's why when my bowl predictions in back in before the twenty fifteen season was he would throw thirty picks rookie here's a blind spot for middle linebacker missing the offense just couldn't hold it up and that's sort of been the story I think of this year The you know the first two picks any through and this is a guy who just has any had in James Winston and you know he played great for a couple of weeks he's looked bad I think it's fair to say we saw him really struggle with his confidence in this game there's so many pumps isn't quite as impressive abacus of what's happened to the rams over the past two weeks even though it felt it's not it's not even if it's not impressive yeah the P franchise quarterback guess RV franchise quarterback sent and the place. I want to start with you today is your local team the Carolina I'm just just seemed very confident which you know he can still make mistakes even when he is confident that rams game comes to mind with the pick six but I mean when he is played Eh and thinking about what's caused them to improve over the last four games I think the beef strong public argument has been that it's been Brady Hassle weapons the offensive line which granted admission Demar Dotson but has generally been pretty good this year they have a very strong interior with our patent Ryan Jensen but fake so much padding of the football so much of just looking like he wasn't trusting his really didn't think that someone was opened didn't know when the pass rush was coming and for games they forced seventeen fourteen takeaways. Excuse me fourteen takeaways is pretty good so They played some tea this panthers defense as one of the least better units I am not but if people are not considering Carolina one of the top five or ten dependent obviously missing the rights on the line with Kappa and Dot Sonatas hurt but I also have to give credit to panthers defense which we start thinking about Carolina turnover friendly teams but they didn't take away they didn't GonNa take away famous Winston or the bucks in the first game with she lost and then of course seven takeaways here in London so are we sleeping is in defenses defenses football you're making a mistake and look this is the Gerald McCoy revenge game that was delayed from from the earth four three to a more hybrid three four front and and they went out in the off season they draft Brian Burns whose hybrid hybrid pass rusher linebacker defensive end interesting opportunity for a underrated creative defensive mind to unleash all these different packages at at at at defenses and he's just your week two matchup he had two and a half sacks four quarterback hits tackles for loss It was just a pass defense I mean he was a monster in there the 'cause like I talked about a lot before the season I thought it was really one of the great unknowns about this year when it came to Carolina was with Ron Rivera moving from a other guy that that's coming on strong and it's huge because the Panthers Lost Cohen Short I think he's GonNa done for the year but Vernon Butler is starting to play really well on the interior type Bruce Irvin same deal right these are not traditional four three ends and Carolina had just had so much attrition at pass rusher position and trying to run that Trudeau Pailin taking over Cam Newton and look to that but first two games of the year this Panthers Defense Foster Force One takeaway that's not great over the ensuing you said a healthy cam. Newton is better than Carl Allen but a healthy calendars better than a not healthy Cam Newton and I think that needs to be settled you were able to manufacture this pass rush that we haven't seen them produce over the past few years because they were running a traditional four three and couldn't get that presence at the edge right now Dante Repos in their Ryan Burns I think is probably the leader in the clubhouse for defensive rookie of the year and you know it's sort of interesting bill taking place in this offense it's Curtis Samuel making place in this offense it's Dj more making plays in this offense Kyle Allen one completion which has traveled over twenty You know bucks receivers does not have great game yesterday grant some of that was James But do think we're seeing a a really impressive defense from top to bottom very eagles obviously the starter and you're an idiot if you think otherwise Duh which is weird because you know that happens occasionally but it felt like the twenty percent was higher than it typically would be in my opinion they just couldn't that quarterback play this defense is it's legit they have a ton of pressure that they can put on the interior absolutely end on the union haven't done Jackson I for a chunk of this year so far but I think James Bradbury is playing extremely well as their primary cornerback in national four three that that Ron is always run with the exception of his time when he took over for Wade Phillips in in San Diego with the chargers and Manda three or four there I thought it was there really done over the last four weeks I say this to go I think that if and the the Kyle look your tweet was your tweet was perfect on five yards in the air this year in his four starts which you know you don't have to you don't have to necessarily be that guy but I mean when you think about what sort of driving all the time it's QB wins with Z.. Cam Newton last year his shoulder was falling off throughout the end of the regular season and then this best defensive Lineman at least on paper your ass in six and a half sacks already superindent guy typically getting to the Cam and coalisland thing are you nuts have you heard sports talk radio of course it needs to be said people think cal Allen is doing this no no no if Kyle plays for the panthers in weeks this year he's the guy nobody's talking about he's putting up we do we just great games he can blitz you can cover you can do it all and with all the bodies they have front the panthers finally the first two weeks his his foot is damaged he has a list brink injury Brady Quinn came on I did a interview with radio cast and he he suffered a list brink injury back in two thousand ten and he used the rest and Rehab method instead of surgery and he said if he told me if you could change it ah like real life friends for like like I was sent a picture of television that was that you're just missing open receivers open receivers but I mean this is not an offense where I look at it and I think oh how is making plays in this offense it's Christian McCaffrey surgery four months ago yeah and and it took him a while to recover it's not an easy to come back from the list frank injury is a season ending injury most of the time one thing about his career it would be the had that surgery in two thousand ten because in fact he had to have surgery four months ago he finally got around to having one two they are bare minimum a five win team right now and I would guess a six team can't believe pretty well in week one but it was still obviously hurt the panthers should have beaten the rams and they shouldn't be that was posting the did you see graphic and they posted its Cam Newton to Heineke oh nine their last the last thirteen games for the panthers Oh nine eighteen point two points per game affective without a an elite quarterback in the middle of it because of how well norv Turner and Scott Turner Ski Scheme these guys and and and how easy they make their throats leuke clearly is when he's healthy one of the two best linebackers in football Certainly by the best Middle Linebacker Football Jack Thompson is going gangbusters AH option plays two Samuel McCaffrey you know Dj more there's all sorts of things they can do Kyle Allen is simply like a placeholder who is stepping in did that and it was funny because like eighty percent of the people who reacted to it or respond to we're like yeah of course and then the other twenty percent were like Colin is a health camp hell no I mean cam when he's healthy changes the dynamics because especially when they're the red zone they can run with Cam they can you know they can he can pass they can have and I you know I don't want to take anything away from Kyle and I think he's playing fine and I think he has certainly better than the Cam we saw the first two weeks of the year especially the guy we saw we too this offense I really don't think it's the quarterback right now not even close and Look I'M NOT GONNA I'M NOT GONNA name names of I'm not GonNa go is he a viable MVP candidate through the first six weeks of the year absolutely when you look at the list of guys actually read this after week three and thirteen interceptions Kyle Alan thirty points per game zero interceptions four in the last in and like I guess NFL Network quarterback is going to be getting the ball to those guys and space with North Turner's done a very good job of doing for either of his quarterback I do think to your point camp helps yardage and sometimes they'll have them a little bit further down the field you know he hasn't been great throwing the ball down the field but he can at least do it whereas cam wooden and this offense can be that's to win the actual mvp I think he's going to need to do shatter some kind of scrimmage yards record because if you look at the if you look at the the the running backs who who won VP's in recent years it borderline requires like a two thousand plus scrimmage yards season That challenges a record asks defense I think in a lot of ways given how much pressure they're getting with that fun foreign in how important that rotation has been even without going short who is for the year and who is probably the his production against the buccaneers buccaneers defense is better than people think He may have lost certainly with the way that Russell Wilson's playing Erickson just an absolute truck in short yardage and should still be I'll ask the question move on Christian McCaffrey like an incredible season from a quarterback trumpet but you know six weeks through the six weeks into the year if you're making a list of MVP candidates and you don't include but if candidate does it play this year and Christian McCaffrey you know runs the ball The way he has and he catches the ball the way he has to shutdown Christian McCaffrey through the first four weeks of the year but you think about his performance in games that are not Tampa Bay who doesn't play again for the rest of the year the Red Zone Cam House in short yardage they've been a mess ensure artichoke past couple of weeks they've been there three of seven on third and one or fourth and one Cam obviously a healthy camp helps scrimmage yards over the course of sixty six games so you don't pay for right now still for twenty five hundred thirty two scrimmage yards he hadn't played the Falcon jet yeah the call for North Turner's offense satellite weapons you can put them in and around the line of Scrimmage Give Kyle Alan Easy looks and let them work in space to rip off chunks Sunday I I like it I didn't I was talking to some friends about it and they were just like in a pejorative but it's like they were like and he played all sixteen games and the Panthers Win The division I think there's GonNa be a real big push to giving the award unless we continue to get transcendent season from Russell Wilson or does Shawn Watson when planning your costume as a kid was like the most fun you could have pre-christmas and now that you're an adult you can make your own choices about your costumes for Halloween feels less in how to Shawn Watson playing going on the road and beating Kansas City and of course Patrick mahomes still playing well even though the chiefs have struggled the last two weeks lost McCaffrey is going to need if you want well let's get from one impressive team in the NFC to another let's talk about the forty niners here in a moment but first guys it's the most wonderful time of year Halloween also good I recommend putting on more than underwear when you open the door but Miandi offers you lounge pants and all kinds of gear to look as comfortable and as happy I think people are sorta sleeping on the idea that Cam Newton's going to just return here's a list break injury and he hits Soda Surgery this off season or the panthers better with Carlisle than US yeah absolutely You know that 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Twenty Four for one fifty three three catches thirty five yards a touchdown against the cardinals twenty seven for ninety three ten catches for eighty six touchdown against the Houston Texans El Mayonnaise dot com slash barnwell now back to the show the team he plays though in his next match up after seven London by are the San Francisco forty in a way that I was not expecting heading into the season so I think this is insane but because when we think about some of the great nfl all teams of all time we think about those late nineties forty niners teams right I mean right great teams and I would even argue that Jim Harbaugh had some but I did not see five coming I did not see this secondary coming I think this is a a very very impressive the boo in booty and if you think I wrote that I have to admit I did not do you think would appear costume game that's just foolish have to go out not only look your best all the Weenie it's very frustrating me on news though his bring back childlike joy of picking up the perfect cost with their spooky prints and Halloween costume. I'm not exactly a genius but nine number one I will say I thought they'd be better than they were a year ago I thought they would have more than tuners options by the end of the season those are w I think niners who I will say they are team before the year when am I call him in ESPN DOT COM for the most likely teams to improve number one the jets were number two so it also feel comfortable I mean these are designed to be mixing mashed and turn into the most guaranteed first prize at the costume contest costume to day leaving Your House Ninety six seventy three ninety five plus sixty nine like this is it's it's remarkable I don't know I you think builder is a little bit of something going on in the NFL right now that is sh oddly because it's the same having the same year strikingly similar to what went on in baseball this year Akers our team that have emerged Tim George gets the Redskins he gets the colts I mean there there's still a lot of meat on the bone for Christian McCaffrey in the second half of the season all right and not turning the ball over they've gotten a little lucky in terms of fumbled walk by and large this is just a guy who has the and and gotTa do it on your podcast right and free shipping and there is one hundred percent satisfaction guaranteed so nothing to lose by trying out the world's most comfortable underwear the world's most comfortable been a a force of nature when he's out playing what looks to be one of the League's best run defenses so and then a bill by the way so he's averaging one hundred and fifty three point eight any forty niners team since the merger in their first five games there plus eighty three I mean the the two thousand twelve forty nine eighty one ninety eight plus seventy eight yeah I mean I feel like maybe week four I'm not like I'm ahead of my time or anything I mean you're the now the the one the one knock I would say that like when you look at CNC the the thing with the forty niners that when we looked at this team before the season said Okay could they be the post type sleeper you know after onesie and not just a onesie but a costume wanting their spooky soft at the best thing you're ever put on your body software such with any fluffy kitten dressed up in twice two games two games against the Falcons and I mean not like the saints are pretty good defense but I mean you know like they can you think you put some points on the everyone expected Jimmy G. to make a leap in twenty eighteen of what we needed to have was the defensive line had to play as well as it was advertised based on the talent and we really even that good so far this year that defensive line has been so dominant that it is allowed to forty nine just uncork on people I mean jared posing defense opposing offense last two weeks against the forty niners one of twenty four on third and fourth down I mean this is now yeah as possible when you are handing out candy from the comfort of your own home end Mundi says a great offer for listeners. If you're a first time purchaser of Mondays you can get fifteen percent off incredible forty niners teams that you had even with you know whether it's Alex Colin Kaepernick the forty niners have the best point differential sure there were a record number of hundred win one hundred loss teams in baseball this year the the the the gap between the haves and have nots as never been bigger and baseball offense like you said this pass rush is absolutely scary and General Law ski brought up a really good point on twitter which is none of this is going to be sustainable but it's a sign of how good they're playing but this is a team that is playing an absolutely elite level on the defensive side of the ball I think all of it not just that front four but took risky tartus playing well Jimmy Ward on the defensive side of the ball and you know what I mean Robert Saleh was was you know certainly making getting a lot of airtime for his they will maybe struggle stay healthy over the course of the full season but you'd figure Jimmy Garoppolo may improve as goes on yeah I I think one of the things that the sixteen games or whatever it is out of a healthy quarterback play from Jimmy Garoppolo in a Kyle Shanahan system and even Jimmy G. hasn't been over the top grade or even all had a couple of stops on third and fourth down last week against the Rams Nick Bosa looks like a monster quantocks Andrew Everett Warner playing while linebacker they're pretty healthy competed for seventy eight passing yards faster I mean Evan sell the made a really good comparison in that it looked like the Jeff Fisher Goth and I don't even aimed Jerry gobbled I'm not sure what happened he missed one really big throw Gerald effort on that final four but otherwise I mean he was just take no time to throw the football this niners angles the steelers without Big Ben but we like the browns I mean they're they're they're playing they're playing who's on the schedule I mean th th there's nothing else you can do I think the off had there is the first time all year he had less than two point six seconds to throw that in a game on average in terms of its drawbacks and he ever is three point two five passing hello for five and a team if I told you Jimmy Garoppolo or the survivor know you'd figure out Jimmy Garoppolo is is absolutely cooking with gas for the forty niners Francis great coach Shanahan has the passing game working that isn't the case Jimmy Garoppolo isn't playing terrible but he's he's fourteenth in Qbr it took me l l you know what I think you have the right side but sometimes just disconnect that last fourth down it was a bad Michael advances and all of that is that when you when you have an acl injury your back and playing twelve months but you're really not your it feels that that doesn't get enough attention in in two thousand nineteen because of me I saw he made an awful decision on the interception in the end zone and I still think there's a chance that even if the defense does take a step backwards which they will on third and fourth down improvement in terms of challenging Downfield once he starts to once he starts once he starts to look at Carson Wentz in the first five games Gulf until in fully explosive fully trusting your body until about eighteen months and th that matters more maybe for a wide receiver cooper covers the rare exception but the young TV foxborough. I bet the under thirteen and a half Robert Sal appearances television a bummer if he's good I mean like right we blindly assumed that he was going to be incredible his Bella check traded him and he had that stretched when he when he landed in San Francisco guarantee that he's a great great quarterback and his news older I mean twenty twenty eight at this point and like throw to Kevin Coleman should have been an easy touchdown that he missed fifty three and a half I think that's probably fair but he left some plays on the field yeah straight grandma help markey's goodwin drop what should have been at least a one completion if not a touchdown but he played some good defenses I would I would also point out really quickly not to derail from Jimmy but like the five offensive lines that that the forty niners played seven point seven yards per attempt over that stretch and so I just think that maybe right now Jimmy he's not trusting himself completely we don't we we haven't seen enough of him to know we'LL FBI football power index hideous pin has the Niners but they seventy nine percent chance to win the NFC west at five zero seahawks are five and one it's a bad team but I to your point about Jimmy Garoppolo and I think I had a I had the under on Robert Salafist pumps at night tackles right now called US check very big friend of the show is also out for the next several weeks that's going to impact their ability to protect Garoppolo but he'd figures two thousand eighteen remember when he was coming back from ABC L. At ten touchdowns and one interception The Eagles were just too in threes they weren't getting the same height but he was averaging like seven stuff to figure out their offense I mean there they were jerk off was under siege it felt like sling around you know yeah that's terrifying that's like you know best defense in the history of football level plan three and four times granted I think they're going to be one for twenty four the rest of the year for the season Pittsburgh taken a massive step back on the offensive line but my one check leaving Cincinnati is a laugh riot and Tampa didn't do a good job protecting so I am not but at the same time Jimmy G. Takes a step forward I think it's not too dissimilar to what we might see from the packers at some point yeah that's a really good comparison actually and then you know he's down Joe Staley Mike mcglinchey history I also think the gap between the haves and have nots is the worst we've seen in football in a while I mean because they beat up the buccaneers the in the NFL some major upsets a minor upsets consider forty niners rams and upset in itself but more so just how dominant because I've I've watched Russell Wilson play this year yeah I mean like I obviously it would be even lower at the rim I don't think the rams are very good right now and they've got some I think I think I think you're I think you're onto something like there could be a market correction here where the defense maybe struggles to produce the way it has for the first five weeks the rams are three and three cardinals to three and one will do you think that's a fair number would you go above that number or below that number I would go below that number it could be five of the worst lines football we're friends off line is a mess right now it's a huge mass cleveland is a disaster as we need woods are unable to muster any offense whatsoever and that's that's where they were they just had zero zero zero ton there's just nothing they could do go along and may maybe he maybe he played three okay to play Tampa's defense Pittsburgh's a good defense Cleveland might have good defense it's possible golf could do in when it was twenty one I the rams and the money line parlay that should have hit the panthers and the Vikings right but when twenty two seven I was like well technically I am not dead here but it sure feels like instead because there's this team is not going like imagine was on those guys come back Garoppolo gets a little more comfortable the offense could come take swing as we get towards Thanksgiving afterwards for you at the break here we're more question for you world bill in which Sean McVeigh Jared Goff Daryl Henderson who I thought was really good and his limited run Cooper Cop Brandin cooks and Robin and I it was it was a wild see mcvay and golf that flummoxed even if it has sort of been off and on since the since since since the super bowl a quasi I swear words or anything but that was an ask kicking along the defense line I mean that's all it was it was like a like a there was nothing yeah we're GONNA put it on bad beats on on Monday night like sorry he loves with good reason Jimmy Garoppolo I give it a good Russell Wilson has been I would not yet I would not yet give the forty niners that big a chance I am excited there's a key he's like his tours Yelich six months ago he's playing credible but with Jimmy G. I almost wonder if maybe we'll see a little bit you did for who's WHO's the revenge game it's like Richard Sherman or is it like Russell Wilson on Richard Sherman because I keep this going both ways here I mean there there are just some there are some red flags that you've seen along the way but I do think given that he's coming back from that major injury it's possible that he improves were constantly coming back in the box to just hold on for dear life in the second half of that game that was not the case here clearly the better team it could have been a bigger margin of victory Robert Shaw revenge game like what are we where we had there's a lot of vange opportunities here yeah I agree I think about that bucks game against the rams felt like the rams but also another show I may be making an appearance on we will certainly see but more audio coming next week plays you're running if your defense can't get off the field 'cause you you you just can't mess up on these possessions and we've seen it again this year Andy Reid now since did a pretty good job of it I thought and when you add in the need to be perfect on these possessions because your defense can't stop anybody in the run game with the fact that Patrick the chiefs and Patrick Mahomes to be hyper efficient and basically perfect on offense on a minimum number of possessions without the ball much it's almost big trouble because what we have here bill is if you look at the last two weeks and then also rewind two thousand eighteen thousand thirteen when his team possesses the ball and this is probably a you know league-wide trim but it's just we just we talked about it on on on my podcast we just noticed it was interesting like when he team possessing the ball less than twenty five minutes he's to twelve and you know that's just sort of how it works right because you're being grounded the dust by these opposing offenses and we saw it I mean Houston is they are shifting into first gear Kharaian being out yards running the ball owning time of possession and forcing impress this year but the niners and the panthers before the break we have to get to two teams who have not been quite as impressive here after the break on the show and achieved have lost consecutive home games which I think is really the shocking part of this to the AFC south that is not something I would have counted on before the year nine I'm just hobbled and is offensive line is not very good and he doesn't have very many weapons who can beat man coverage it becomes really difficult to win games because if he's awesome break and come back with mortal Barnwell show in a moment this place look haunted don't think so what about those two creepy thirteen to the colts thirty one twenty four to the Houston Texans so we'll let you break down what's causing the chiefs to struggle how much of it is Patrick Mahomes Angle today for twenty four seven access to licensed agents all right back here on the Bill Barnwell show I'm bill Barnwell of ESPN joined again by CBS Brinson we talked about two teams like what they're like the you know when when people are like if chip Kelly comes to the NFL it's you know it's fine but you can only run like it doesn't matter how many will and how much of it is a defense that is not living up to expectations yeah I mean it's obviously both I think I got I got blasted last week in several spots because I said and the the point was not to say that Patrick Mahomes is not good or that the chiefs win Games I said that I thought the cheese were in and look at The three game stretch near the end of last season where the chiefs went wanting to against the Ravens seahawks chargers and they should've lost the Raven to winter over four seven access to agents thank you creepy girls to see our sleep in the car now time Yeah Yeah Yeah and then you can ask you if you want to you can tell us the Patriots playoff game what teams are doing to the chiefs all the chargers you know maybe qualify they stink right now but their next five games are against teams that can exploit those weaknesses so I am very concerned if I'm a fan the situation but yeah I mean I think you're absolutely right about the chiefs and I think you know the ankle injuries have clearly impacted Patrick Mahomes I mean look at the three games he played in all the chiefs are going to struggle and that's he's off right now because he's he's he's not as mobile ankle's messed up and unfortunately for Kansas City they also happened in some places with the niners but I mean this is going to be a playoff team and this is going to be a team that when their their pass rushes going I very few teams are GonNa WanNa play the niners here in two thousand nine hundred and we're gonNA hit surcharges victory lap you didn't you didn't want to jump off the bandwagon but you looked at it before the season looks like a team that could regress in there right now I was sad I walked away actually have that injury in those games a passer rating of one forty one point one that is pretty good afterwards a passer rating of eighty in those games that it's not quite as good scum stay with US truly pregnant with rarely seen Mr Guy goes great service with Kako you get at the number of my column Today Week One week five and week six the Jaguars game and then V. Games against the Texans and the colts before he aggravated or let's start with the Kansas City chiefs who looked like it was a two team race in the AFC with the Patriots undefeated Gerald defeated that is the case have a schedule that is not conducive to playing what they were there at like there at the Broncos who by the way should before into and this should be for first place in the division Patrick Mahomes is not quite as good which I think given the injuries he hasn't been but when he's been healthy he's been even better than a year ago There were supposed to be able to win I without Eric Fisher who's been hurt the offensive line has been a mess for the chiefs I think these past few weeks but I mean this supposed to be a year where the chiefs said okay absolutely I wasn't going to bring up the chargers I didn't want to do that to you here on the show I don't think that's I think that would just be mean so I was trying to avoid them but you should you should with at least a better deal than a year ago they figured okay. Well we'RE NOT GONNA pay Eric Berry because Eric Berry has been healthy enough to play so tire Matthew's been on the field I and I wonder if this game plan is as effective as it has been if we don't have the injuries to mahomes injuries terry kill that cost him last week two weeks ago it feels like this offense slipping because of mahomes his ankle injury has sort of opened the door for this game plan to work two weeks in a row they signed Alex Okafor replaced Justin Houston who had not been one hundred percent make sense grip they assign Anthony Hitchens who didn't play on Sunday a year ago I mean and you're right like the numbers are staggering the first three weeks purchased the last three weeks I mean he he's his completion percentage has dropped fifteen it has not been a obviously impactful player Anthony Hitchens has not been the sort of player justified his contract before you missing Sunday's game grape deport is someone who is a great pass rusher but not necessarily a great way defender let's upgrade by getting Frank Clark he's a better and defender than deformed grape that's a concern I mean those adjusting Houston revenge game last Sunday night but it's not like the colts or some incredible pass rushing team the Texans the Texas Whitney Mercilus Switzerland three four to a four three and magically become an an upper tier defense now yes if they improved and became the middle of the pack events then they have a championship window if mahomes is healthy playing really well they're not they're they're they're got awful and so it is it is an expert wonder why you wouldn't at least consider shutting Patrick mahomes down for two weeks going heavy aggressive treatment on his ankle get him rest and re Rehab get that ankle fixed broncos have a good pass rushing want to run on their effective at running the ball packers have a good pass rush and want to run the ball vikings have a good pass rush and want to run the ball type pass rushing want to run the JJ watt playing really well this year so I get I get being sacked one yesterday would have expected maybe even more but his lack of mobility and the offensive line audible situation right now over these these next few weeks of Patrick Mahomes being banged up and that defense playing poorly I don't know bill what the with me you know my my bag over my shoulder tear in my eye but it's been rough and I that's another conversation for another day about the chargers just bad Jones did get hurt and then obviously hurts the chiefs right but she's been bad against the run for two years now like this is a this is not a secret to your point I just wonder you know and look you need him healthy down the stretch run because you have the Raiders Patriots broncos bears and chargers after week twelve by its those are tough match ups against good defenses and upgraded inside linebacker Derrick Johnson let's create those guys are not working out there not matthew's been fine but Frank Clark is barely made an impact Alex Okafor has missed a game the poor play you know that offense had to buoy this defense that was the only way this is going to work the chiefs working to do all these changes bringing Steve Spagnuola it that is that is not good you know and he only has one interception I still don't think his decision making is bad or anything but also been sacked five times in the last two games health I think there's two games where you consider this is one of the two games this week because they are playing the Broncos who like you said before into should be in you know the answer is I mean I wouldn't suggest that you sit Patrick mahomes that's what I was going to put I mean he's like at the these NFL teams are we can we arrest him and give him basically two weeks to heal before the packers game before these two home games against the NFC north comments to great defenses. I would give that some serious thought again the chargers game week eleven we don't know what their what their records go schedules going to be like that under game where they have a second Mexican you know they they've lost plenty of home games in the postseason over the past few years I think they're going to be a terrifying whether the two seed or the five seed as long as and then bring him back for the stretch run for five weeks but if his ankle isn't healthy and they can't protect him it's only going to exacerbate the injury there's there's more around the quarterback wherever he is now so I don't think they're going to but I think it's at least worth a serious

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The Chris and Joe Show: Positional Breakdown Post Free Agency

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The Chris and Joe Show: Positional Breakdown Post Free Agency

"People do amazing things every day and yet most of us feel like we can't do our taxes ourselves doesn't make any sense. Turbo tax believes that with the right tools. Encouragement people can do anything. Yes even taxes and with turbo tax live you have access to CPA's on demand who are available even on nights deacons to answer your questions or give you advice to help. Make sure you do your taxes right and get your best possible refund turbo tax. All people are tax people. Welcome to the Kristen. Joe Show presented you bias nation and Big Blue View. I'm Joe deleon. Joined by Chris Slum and we're pretty much at the end of free agency like we talked about on Tuesday show so we are doing. As an exercise analyzing the current roster reevaluating which groups are the strongest which are currently still the weakest in which improved the most after this free agency period we previously analyzed all this stuff that the very beginning of the offseason so now that they made roster moves? We have a better understanding. Of how things are shaping out and looking come draft time in the very end of April before we take a look at those various position groups we do have two additional signings. That occurred since we last recorded. So we're going to discuss those first that first signing that happened pretty much immediately after we finished recording on Monday was dion. Lewis running back from the Tennessee titans signing with the New York giants on a one year deal five foot eight one hundred ninety five pounds and a twenty nine year old veteran. Who's been around for a relatively long time in this league bouncing around between multiple teams most notably the Philadelphia Eagles the New England Patriots? And then most recently the Tennessee. Titans two thousand and nine thousand nine hundred fifty four carries for two hundred nine yards. Twenty five receptions one hundred sixty four but if you recall. Dion Lewis in his best year. That was with the New England patriots in two thousand seventeen where he topped. One thousand scrimmage yards and nine total touchdowns also racked up a grade of eighty eight point seven which is really really good. Seen bit of a decline especially down to this past season as down as sixty really approaching that thirty year old. Uh Threshold shelf-life shelf-life mark for running back so he's he's had a gradual decline less carries less touches but still relatively impactful when you need them to go out there. Yeah this is not a guy who is going to be competing with their pushing saquon Barkley. He's really probably going to be competing with Wayne. Gelman and John Hillman. And whoever else the giant happened to bring in for the backup running back position right now looking at at his last two years with Tennessee outside of that New England scheme machine however you WANNA call it. He's really been at his best kind of a third down back pass. Protector a receiving back. Who can catch the ball out of the backfield? Maybe make something happen. After the catch he did have a good year as a kick returner in twenty seventeen which is probably where Joe Judge knows him from best so maybe he can contribute there but one area the giants have struggled with is pass protection from the running back position and having a guy who can pass protect who can catch yet hopefully maybe that will give them some options and maybe clean up what was a deficiency last year and if you recall when we we did the running back position group and evaluated at the very beginning of the off season we talked about a need for bringing in a veteran running back just to help fill out that position to add a little bit of extra layer in a different skill set to that running back group. Because if you look at you've Saquon Barkley who's very very unique shifty. Big running back you have wing allman. Who's a bit more downhill on the bigger side? Not a total burner. You have John Hillman. Who is on the younger side coming into his second year and was an undrafted free agent out of Rutgers Not GonNa have a huge impact running the ball but can contribute on special teams. But when we talk about bringing in a guy that is a veteran that can either work in one or two ways to balance out and counter. What saquon Barkley brings to the table? So it's either bringing in a bigger back that could be used in short yardage situations giving a quick spell to Saquon Barkley just to pick up a few extra yards here and there whenever Barkley needs a break or the other option is bringing in a smaller more compact receiving type back and I think Dion Lewis really does fit that definition of a smaller quicker. Really good hands type of a running back however I I'm going to say Chris. You could probably agree with me here when we were talking about all of these potential options. I don't think either of US would have considered Dion Lewis as an option because we be listed off all of these other available names that sounded really good and I think we even talked about Amir Abdul of being an option and he made a lot of sense fitting that type of receiving role but dion. Lewis the twenty nine year old ends up being that guy. Yeah that's the way the free agency class wet for us. We've looked at all these all these auctions. We saw a bunch of really interesting names and the giants really pursuing. None of them so out. Maybe there's something learned from that personally. I was kind of expecting them to bring in running back competitions through the draft and they may yet because they have a ton of picks at the back end of the draft and that could be a really good spot to look the other signing and this one is a bit unique because of where he's coming from yesterday they signed driven. Ask You Henry a defensive back from the New York Guardians of all places. Xfl Player one of the few xfl players who have so far signed with NFL teams in the midst of their season being cut short because of the corona virus issues. So they sign ask you Henry who previously had a stint with the steelers for very brief period of time bigger corner around six foot? Two two is what he was listed at and they're signing him to a two year deal fun fact about ask you. Henry in this is was released as part of the announcement from Ian Rapoport. That he's the cousin of Daryl Rivas. So maybe you can get a little bit of that quality of play not up to standards but you can get a little bit of that that strong consistency as a defensive back for the two years that he could be a giant. Yeah yeah I I think I kind of expect him to be in the mix for the giants safety position that from what I remember. That's what he mostly played when he was at West. Virginia Tech does kind of go with his size. If I remember correctly he was more of a hitter than a coverage guy but if he can be anything like reduce this could be a sneaky. Good signing for the giants Something we'll just have to see. Now we're going to give you a look into the various position groups that have improved taking a step backward and also who is currently the strongest before we get to that though. We're going to take a very short commercial break. This episode is brought to you by. Hp HP knows that small businesses can struggle to find a balance between reaching a broad audience and building enduring customer relationships but HP is here to help. Hp has designed printers that can help your small business. Stand out from the crowd with the new. Officejet pro printers. 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Chris and I both agreed here that the cornerbacks were the most improved for the various obvious signing of James Bradberry from the Carolina Panthers signing for that three year deal joining a young but still talented corner group and then adding that veteran presence which helped really mold out in shape out the remainder of that position group. Yeah yeah hopefully. Bradberry will serve as like a veteran for the giants cornerback group. Take the pressure area. Like we've mentioned before. Take the pressure off of Deandra Baker in Sam Beal Corey Ballantyne Grant Haley. And whoever else happens to wind up in that group but by the time all is said and done hopefully he can be that number one corner who shadows the opposing number one receiver who can play press coverage hopefully force quarterbacks to hold the ball just a little bit longer maybe give the pass rush more time to get there and also help the giants not just hemorrhage big plays on the back end when they have to blitz or when they decide to blitz to dial up more pressure more pass rush bradberry was really the giants biggest signing and really his presence made for the biggest improvement of any of the Of the of any of the position groups yet of adding Bradbury had probably the most impact to any position group which is why we consider them to be the most improved for a period of time. And I think we even said this during those early offseason breakdowns. The cornerback group was not the weakest but one of the weaker position groups just because of the fact that they were they were very young. They didn't have a lot of experience. And that was what was leading to a lot of issues in the secondary overall. So you bring in James Bradberry. He can step in and start and B that number one corner for you. Take a lot of the attention off of the Andre Baker Corey Ballantyne Sam Bill. Whoever else is out there on the field at corner they don't have to guard number one receivers like we saw Baker having to do towards the end of the season and we saw him struggling doing so sue. Bribery can step in. He can immediately start. He can play and have a pretty big impact similar to what we got from Janoris Jenkins in his first year with the giants being able to step in and play in slowdown number one receivers in terms of an honorable mention though in a close runner up. We considered the linebacker group to be not close behind them but right behind them in terms of how much they improved. You talk about getting rid of a clear liability defense INALCO. Gotree was not the same player that he was early on in his career. Not really registering things and moving the same way that he used to be able to get him. Get rid of cream Martin and then you bring in Blake Martinez. Who is an underrated linebacker? Who We talked in full depth on Tuesday about his impact in what he can bring to the table. You've a guy that can step right in. Play Mike Linebacker in help round out that group as soon as they figure out what they're going to be doing it will linebacker. I think that this linebacker group take took a very big step forward as we're talking before before we started recording. The giants got rid of a liability. And edit a viable starter in. This isn't as big of a step forward. Jump as the cornerbacks made with James Bradberry but hopefully Martinez can help with the communication problems. He can hopefully process information more quickly and even though he might not be athlete that Tree was or even is hopefully he can do the mental footwork to put himself in position to make plays rather than watching opposing players. Just run right past him. While he's guarding turf. I kind of brought this during our last show. I don't think his signing precludes the giants from adding another linebacker like you said a will linebacker an athletic guy who can have that who can lockdown that coverage role in the middle. But just having a guy who you hope can be the quarterback of the defense who can communicate who can play chess game with the opposing quarterback who can effectively relay the play. Call from the sideline into the defense communicate with whoever the free safety will be having that guy there. That's that's big for a defense. In terms of what position group did not improve in his now currently the worst on this roster and when we say worst it's not so much that abysmal and they're they're not going to be able to perform but rather one. That still is a need for this team leading into the draft and a clear cut answer for this because of their lack of ability to sign any bigger name available free agents to fix glaring needs. That is the offensive line. They did not sign anyone. Besides Cameron Fleming. Who's been a backup lineman for his entire career? He can step in and playwright tackle if needed but he is probably not the best possible solution. There's nobody out there really available besides if you talk about Jason Peters or Trent Williams but the odds of getting them or pursuing them seem pretty low because there has been not any tied to the giants even considering them so no available. Options made very minimal improvement because of all of that. It's pretty clear that this offensive line group is currently the biggest need heading into the draft yet like you said they don't have a starter in an obvious starter at right tackle at the moment. It seems they're planning for. The center is either Spencer. Poli or hope John. Hello can recover from a ruptured Achilles in time for the season and honestly even both of them were completely healthy. I wouldn't be terribly excited about that plan. We've seen both of those guys. Neither one is really starting caliber center so the offensive line. It has holes at two positions that is just not a good position to be in looking ahead to the season no and there's multiple positions along that line like you said center and right tackle that currently still need players You don't really know. The solution is at that center spot. You don't know for sure if Cameron Fleming will be starting at right tackle or if they're using somebody like Nick Gates. Any of those backup guys. That didn't contribute a ton but did step in last year. You don't know for sure who's going to actually be that right tackle. It's clear though now that come draft time that they're going to have to draft someone. It can't be like last year where they waited until the very end of the draft to take a tackle that is developmental in might not really be able to start right away. They're going to have to take somebody within those first two rounds if they want to address and fix the offense of line do at least take a step forward and improve. It are honorable mention for biggest. Need out of any position. Group was the safety position. The did not really make any significant signings. You can include driven. Ask You Henry in that. They got rid of Antoine Bethesda. So a step backward. You still do obviously have Julian Lavin Gerbil peppers but we did feel that if you get rid of Antoine Bethesda. They should have been bringing in somebody else to join the mix hit it. Exactly the giants don't really have a free safety or at least a free. A free safety that we know will be a good free safety you. We saw Julian love step on the field and play well last year but he stepped on the field and played well in Djibril peppers role. He wasn't really the free safety. That was Antwan Bethesda and he had his issues at free safety most notably the fact that he did he just doesn't have any range left so we don't really know if the giants are going to ask love to transition from that kind of box safety slash slot corner role that he played Give that back to Djibril peppers and then have loved played free safety or will. They leave love where he played. Well possibly keep playing peppers. Close to the line of scrimmage where he has played his best end maybe looked to the draft to find another free safety or we just don't know what's going to happen right now. So it's it's tough to have a lot of confidence in that position when one of the most important positions in your secondary is currently vacant so Chris. Here's a really interesting thought that I had when we were talking about the linebackers and I think it goes in line with this discussion. Because of this specific player you can probably guess who about a pitch deal so maybe the here because they do still need a will linebacker and they're still missing that additional piece at safety. Maybe this is the giants approach to okay. We can't get any of the guys that we want free agency. There's no one really that we see as viable starters and there's a guy that we can get very likely at the fourth overall pick who can play both of these things and we can move around and get creative with him so maybe this is some type of not an intentional set to get. Isaiah Simmons but rather putting themselves in a position if they can't get some of those early guys like Chase Young. They say themselves all right. We have needs at will linebacker. We have needs as an additional safety. Why don't we take Isaiah Simmons or if they don't take Simmons? It opens up the conversation for Jeremy Chin. Or Kyle Duggar more so as a safety but if they want to use them as a rotational sub package linebacker any of those guys could very well be in play because both of those position groups are of need. And just so happens. You have three guys in this year's class that can play those positions yet. I think they are set up to be able to do something like that. It just really depends on whether or not Patrick. Graham is his defense in scheme are set up to run like that. I've been reading a lot about the three three three stacked odd front air raid killer. There it goes by a bunch of different names defended kind of more or less pioneer bio state aspects of. It have been taken up by a bunch of different schools. The New England patriots have been running aspects of it over the last two seasons and getting a guy like Isaiah. Simmons Kyle Duggar Jeremy Chen perhaps even using Djibril peppers in that kind of will linebacker. Box Safety Hybrid. Role is a big part of that defense. Basically it's difficult to explain. In limited time without a whiteboard but it it more or less normalizes the middle linebacker dropping into a deep safety role from the Tampa two and plays it in an odd front. If that makes any sense at all. There's probably a post I'm going to have to do on this time or at the very least in the in the host host for this podcast all link a piece mark. Scofield did on the air a killer but getting one of those athletic hybrid safety linebackers could be a way to run that defense and it can be very very effective against a spread. D A spread offense. I'm going to Amazon prime. You'll whiteboard you can put together a video of breaking this down. So you can fully articulate your thoughts on it but I do agree. It's probably not the easiest thing to explaining podcast where it's only audio people can't really see what you're trying to break down. It's just it's just one of those things that you try to talk about coverages and plays and it's like well you don't know what this looks like. So you're just kind of trying to picture it in your head Onto the next position group our current strongest on the roster. This one is probably not going to change for a period of time even after the draft. No matter who they end up drafting especially if they do end up taking an outside defensive lineman or an edge rusher the clear cut strongest position group. Right now has stayed the same since the beginning of last season. It is the defensive line. I'm that solidified by bringing back Leonard Williams and I'm not saying Leonard Williams. Is the best player on this position group and then he was the final piece that they needed and he drastically elevates the group. That's not entirely true. There's other guys that we would argue are better than Leonard Williams. Bought bringing him back keeps the group together. He's a starter he can contribute. He can take up space probably not worth the price tag like we said but still a very viable starter in overall. If you look at that whole group you're didn't lose anyone. You Return Extra Lawrence who is prime to have a very good second year. You are returning Galvin Tomlinson. Hopefully a long term deal is reached with him going forward so he can be here for a long period of time. The best run stopping player on that defensive line and then if you want to include the pass rushers in that group you add in Kyle as a rotational pass. Rusher you also have oceans Zimmer says as a rotational pass rusher who? We don't entirely know for sure what he's going to be like because he was playing a limited role in looked pretty good in that limited role at times and in addition to that you also have Lorenzo Carter if they had an elite pass. Rusher this this defensive line group could be elite but right now it is still very very good. Yeah I would even focus right in say the Interior Defensive Line Dalvin Tomlinson. Bj Hill Dexter Lawrence Leonard Williams. Any two of these guys probably start for pretty much any team in the NFL. None of them are particularly dynamic. But they're all really solid. Bj Hill. I think has still has untapped upside. He is a four a big guy who played nose tackle in college. He has a ton of athleticism. He actually compares surprisingly closely to Fletcher Cox Despite being about fifteen pounds heavier Tomlinson is about as good a nose. Tackle as you can ask for while still also being able to beat blockers be disruptive in the in the offensive backfield and then you have Dexter Lawrence and Leonard Williams who are probably at their best as kind of that five technique. Odd Front defensive end it. They're athletic. They can penetrate into the Backfield. They can disrupt even if they're not going to be getting a whole bunch of sacks so really that is the strength of the giants team just both sides of the ball front to back that the strength of the team at considering the resources they have gone into that physician it should be the strength considering the emphasis to continually bring additional pieces in over the past few years under Dave gettleman. It's clear cut that this interior group is very specifically that interior group is the strongest on this team. Because of the young talent that you have there you had guys step up in their first or second years like you said. Bj Hill looked really good in his first year. Took a little bit of a step back in production because Leonard Williams joined the team but still look very very good and even had an increase in his pro football focus rating You all these guys are young. They're still developing and you don't know for sure what that feeling is going to be for this group. It could end up being even even even more better. Next season are mentioned. Though for our strongest position group is someone we also said at the very beginning of this off season in things have not changed. That is the running back group. Obvious reason. Saquon Barkley when he's healthy. You have one of the most dynamic if not the most explosive running back in the NFL. In your backfield can score a touchdown from any spot in the field on any given play if you give them just a little bit of room he can do exactly that but then you talk about the guys behind win. Goeman can step in. He can pick up one hundred yards on twenty five carries if you need him to but you're probably not going to give him that much. Run you add dion Lewis. Who is that receiving back type role coming on? Third Down can pass. Protect can catch the ball out of the backfield can also have an impact as a kick returner and then. I still firmly think that Jon Hillman might not be a starting level running back. But he's still a decent piece in that running back group so you have an overall well rounded group making the second second strongest group on this team I basically the presence of saquon Barkley seals it for this. He is probably the giants best player right now. And just having the best player on a position which otherwise it might not be special but it's also probably not terrible either. That really just seals it as being the honorable mention here now if the giants do go into the draft looking for or come out of the draft with another running back that might change things. I do think if the value is right they should take a long look at ag. Dylan out of Boston College. That would really help with the with having a short yardage back in he is. He doesn't have anything like saquon. Barkley twitch and agility but just as far as mass density and straight ahead between the tackles power. There are not many running backs like him out there I remember. We're at the combine. A I saw him. We're watching the combine. That is so I was like. How does this dude weigh in at two forty seven? He doesn't look that big and then all of a sudden you see his legs and okay. Yeah now get it so that would help kind of plug a hole in the giants running game where wing. Gaughman is a straight ahead Gash but he is in a power back. He plays bigger than a measures but he still is a big powerful dude. Allies Penny is a useful versatile full-back. But that's kind of what he is. Saquon Barkley is really at his best finding a crease. And then turning on the afterburners he is in a straight ahead of the pile. Lou Garrick Blount type type running back or even even like crap completely lost my or even like Ezekiel Elliott who kind of grinds out consistent yardage. Barkley can get tackled behind the line. Scrimmage quite a bit but you give him an ounce of daylight and he can be gone a big power back like Dylan or maybe some of the other guys in this draft could kind of fill in the hole between Goeman and Dion Lewis and Saquon Barkley and give you that guy who can just punch it into the goal Punch it into the end zone from the two yard line who can move the pocket or move the pile and kind of pick up the one area where. Barkley is weak in depending on how they approach finishing up this offensive line. If like I said if they can take somebody in the first two rounds a quality starter. Someone that doesn't particularly need to be elite if they take someone in the second round but can step in and play right tackle and grow and improve. That is going to help the development of this running back group from going from being the second best to the best on the team and turning saquon Barkley loose and allowing him to have huge production like he did in his first year and going further than that. Which is crazy to think. Because he had two thousand scrimmage yards in his first season so that is our look at the roster in breaking things down. Next week we're going to transition to talking more about the NFL draft and filling you in on the final most important things to know as were less than a month away in the NFL draft is slowly approaching as far as we assume that it is staying on the same date of April Twenty third to the twenty fifth. 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RTFF #314: Week 10 (Part 1)

Fantasy Feast: 'Eatin

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RTFF #314: Week 10 (Part 1)

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Thirty nine touchdowns thirteen interceptions. Three hundred twenty six yard average. He's been a top twelve fantasy score in five of his last seven starts has a high floor. And I think he's got a really big ceiling to he has great prime time game splits. Historically, he has great Heinz field game splits. Historically, the Panthers have given up multiple touchdown passes in seven straight games. You know, the deal with Antonio Brown, James bradberry. Dante Jackson have been good for Carolina. But Dante Jackson is a second round rookie and James Bradbury is a big dude who matches up better with guys like Al Sean and Mike Evans Antonio Brown's gonna run circles around James Bragg. Bury the Panthers have not been good in the slot. Captain motherland. He's a small, dude. Five eight one eighty two juju Smith Schuster big slot receiver six foot one to fifteen look at sterling Shepard, cool Beasley Tyler Boyd Humphries went off in the slot against Carolina. They struggled against slot receivers. James Connor four straight games over one hundred rushing yards. Leads the AFC in rushing. He leaves the entire NFL runs of twenty plus yards. Bell James CONNER has eight runs of twenty plus yards this year and only a half season on bell over the two thousand sixteen doesn't seventeen seasons. Combined had seven runs of twenty plus yards. James Connor favorite at home against the Panthers defense allowing four and a half yards per carry two opposing running backs. Vance mcdonald. I think that he can have a big game here against Carolina over their last six games. Tight ends have caught seventy four percent of their targets averaging almost eight yards per tempt. Six touchdowns in six games against Carolina last week. We saw OJ Howard getting the paint twice. Vance mcdonald. Jesse James had a big gain kinda snuck behind the ravens defense for fifty one yards and wound up with more yards in the game. Because that one play the Vance McDonald. Vance mcdonald. Had six targets JC James is three any rain thirty three routes Jesse James only ran seventeen Jesse James is going to have you know, he's out there a lot. So he's going to make plays at times. But Vance McDonald is always the guy that we prefer in fantasy football. James Washington was active last week late eighty six percent of the Steelers offensive snaps, but he had a drop in. He has he has not gone over twenty five yards and a game this season on the other side. Cam Newton has been a matchup proof, and he's been a super high floor super high ceiling fantasy quarterback as you mentioned the other day having the best season of his maybe maybe the best season of his career MVP season. You know, is that something that, you know, he's got to kind of show that he would be out producing himself over the final eight games, but he's on pace for a ton of career highs, and he is playing the most efficient football of his career. And so he is he's been matchup proof. And he's been a top six fantasy quarterback in all eight starts, and he's got a bunch of really high finishes as well. The only concern I would say is that the Steelers have pass Russia's really come alive. Their defense. Actually, it was it was one of the worst in the NFL in the first four games up Twenty-nine points per game over the last four they've only allowed seventeen point eight points per game. And they started a blitz. A lot. Lot more blitz rate is up top ten in the NFL in that has spiked their sacree their number eight in the NFL and sacree and they are number four and quarterback hit rate. So that would be the one concern that I would have for Cam. But the Panthers have a lot of ways that they can combat team that blitzes a lot because they have a lot of due to our great deadly on screen place, DJ more, and it's Christian McCaffrey. And it's Curtis Samuel. So I think that the Panthers coaching staff is good of a job as they have done this season. I think that they can put Cam into favorable matchup specific opponent specific spots in this game. Christian McCaffrey average in nineteen point eight touches for one hundred ten total yards per game four touchdowns over the last two weeks. He was scoreless for a while there. But sometimes touchdown regression to the mean comes in bunches. Which I'm hoping will happen with Julio which we will get to a little bit. But we've seen that big time with Christian McCaffrey Panthers. Number two in the NFL in yards created before contact per rushing attempt. So the Steelers have been good in run defense. But this Panthers offensive line has open holes against some of the best defensive fronts in the NFL. So I'm not too concerned about the metro for Christian McCaffrey, a metre proof or Rb one each and every week. Curtis Samuel wound up with better box score stats than DJ more last week. But DJ more ran twenty eight routes Curtis. Samuel only ran nine routes and. Curtis. Samuel has not had more than three touches in a game all season. So although the results were better for Curtis Samuel in last week's game. DJ more remains the superior fantasy option Torrey Smith not going to play against Pittsburgh. Devin funchess has been robbed of touchdowns in back to back games in week nine eight it was he got targeted in the end zone. Eric wild deflects the past Christian McCaffrey dies and catches it last week. He got taco at the one yard line in the second quarter. So targets are down now, and that is definitely concerned. But you also have to understand that Cam Newton through his seconds. He was pass attempts of the season last week only at twenty five attempts. They really dominated the buccaneers on the ground. So that cut into Devin funchess's volume really everyone's volume, and that's why like DJ more was disappointing. Funchess was disappointing. Greg Olsen was the one guy in the passing game that came out ahead scored his third touchdown and as many weeks made a highlight reel catch just kinda showing his his ball skills. Cam camps throw kind of deep down the middle a little behind him. He tips it back to himself as twisting around and scores. And that was his best game all season. The Steelers have not been good against tight ends allowing fifth-most fantasy points of the position we can move onto the next one. Let's get to Detroit. And Chicago to Troy had a very tough time. Protecting Matthew Stafford I was disappointed in their offense of line. I will say those interesting what Dan lofty said about Stafford no longer having sort of his security blanket and golden Tate in the obvious passing situations. Where he has that repore with the guy in the slot. And he's comfortable with them and get the ball out. He was hold on the ball. He was getting smashed. It was a disaster. And now, this is not going to be any any other. This is not going to be any easier going to Soldier Field. Khalil Mack is tentatively expected back. The the Vikings did not get home against the Vikings. Did not blitz. That was not how they were getting after the lions they only blitz five times on forty six dropbacks against Detroit and their offensive line which had been the top five offense of line, the first seven games and. I don't I don't know what to say. But it certainly was exacerbated by the fact that hey, you know, this longtime safety valve that the lions have in gold date is not there anymore. Yeah. Orlovsky said what that he thinks that at least four the sax could have been prevented if they had had golden tape. So. You know, the, and then immediately they signed Bruce Ellington. Like a career slot receivers. He's got some juice. But I I don't really think that he's going to become a fantasy factor anytime soon. But anyways, I think that you can confidently play the bears fantasy defense against the lions. And. Matthew, Stafford is a very very risky play. He is not been an upside play at all this year. And he. We now we're concerned about is protection in difficult matchup Marvin Jones would be the one confident Lyon's fantasy play. He's got a pretty good history against the bears. His volume is not threatened nine targets last week. He has over two hundred more area ours than Kenny golladay. And I think that he can be really a wide receiver one the rest of the season. Kenny golladay just hasn't been happened happen for him recently. And I think that he is is on the riskier side in the lions pass catcher core the lions did you steal Riddick at slot receiver a good amount last week TJ Jones was their primary slot receiver. But but he is not a guy that gets targeted very much. The Riddick had seven catches on eight targets tying for the team high. So. Theo Riddick is in the mix as PR play. He cut into carry on Johnson's volume a little bit. But not too too much McCurry on Johnson. Still had fifteen touches. The problem was that carry-on Johnson had a really bad matchup in the offense was just dysfunctional as a unit. The problem is that I'm not so sure that the. That the offense is gonna be a whole lot more functional in this game. So kerryon Johnson kind of like a a lower expectation Rb to slash flex play. Michael Roberts played more for the lions, and he could maybe become a streamer option at some point on the bear side. This was similar to what happened with the Panthers last week except for the bears. They didn't have to throw the ball very much in the game. They only needed twelve twelve completions. So no one in the passing aim is really going to produce. When you have twelve completions the entire game. Anthony Miller was lucky to come out with like six catches for fifty nine yards or whatever he had that was the most on the team. He had six targets actually leaves the team in targets in area over the last three weeks, although that corresponds with Alan Robinson's time is his injury. And it's possible that Robinson comes back this week, which just adds another kind of alpha mouth to feed in the passing game. Mitchell Trubisky was because they he just didn't need to do anything last week. He also got tackled at the one inch line and then Jordan Howard. Of course. Punches it in a play later. But I think that Trubisky is on that quarterback one fringe this week. He is number two among quarterbacks in rushing yards. And the lines are allowing the tenth most points per game in the NFL twenty six point two seven th most yards per play at six point one on sixteen to three touchdown interception ratio to quarterbacks. So Jordan Howard and Tarik Cohen have been both been very game flow dependent. Okay. So Jordan Howard gets the ball. When the bears are playing with a lead. And Tarik Cohen gets the ball when the bears are playing from behind so cut a kind of pick and choose your spots with these guys especially with with Jordan Howard. I think the Tarik Cohen more more often than not is going to have good games this. But no one's going to have a good game in a game like last week's against but buffalo where the team the opponent just doesn't even put up a fight. I think the lions will put up a fight. And I think you can fairly confidently start Tarik Cohen. We have to decide what Jordan Howard is. Do you think the bears will play with a lead in a game like this when we can look at the point spread? And I think the bears are three point favorites in a game. Like this to you can have some level of confidence in Jordan Howard. Based on that the passing game distribution is again tough to really breakdown without knowing if our Robinson is gonna play a Taylor. Gabriel has two games where he has over one hundred yards and six below fifty five yards. Okay. And he scored one touchdown at eight era. He's a scored a touchdown in one of eight games. So. He's not not not a great play not not the worst. But but not a great. I think that you want out Robinson to play in this game. If you're trying to play Taylor good you'll because then he would attract out Robinson. We'll get Darius slay and Taylor. Gabriel would get TS table or who has been atrocious and runs four six two and Taylor. Gabriel runs. Four four flat. It's an e Miller the slot receiver going to square off with Nevin Lawson. I think that he actually might be the best fantasy receiver on the bears based on recent usage. And then at tight entry Burton. He's got fifty plus yards. Touchdown at six of his last seven games that is plenty to be in every week fantasy starter in season-long lease. We can move onto the next one next one is the saints and the Bengals got anything. They'll be a lot of points in this one. Yeah. Absolutely the well the issue though with the Bengals is that they rippled in terms of injuries because Tyler I for is. He's long gone John Ross is just completely unreliable AJ green with the foot injury. He's out indefinitely at this point. And then the Bank, and then the saints have been legitimately like a shutdown. Run defense. I mean, they're they pretty much bottled up Todd Gurley last weekend. No one really does that. So the the Bengals are going to have to leave Lee heavily on Tyler Boyd outside. Receivers are going to be Alex Erickson really is a slot receiver, but he's played mostly outside this season. And then it's going to be like Josh Malone or Cody core, or it's there are really really saying. I mean, I guess it could be John Ross John Rosman terrible, even when he's been healthy. So they're pass catcher co right now is just it's bleak. CJ Zoema looks like he could could be in line for spiked opportunities. Saints have been really good tight end coverage actually for the last couple of years. They have a really strong safety play. But I see Jacob Zuma had zero catches in his last game on four targets. But he suffered this stinger injury on the first drive in that game. And I think that affected him throughout the entire game. And that's really the reason why do said, so I think that you could go back to him as a streamer in a game that as you suggested you should have a good amount of points. And even the matchup is is rough on paper for Joe mix. He's got fifteen more touches in all six games twenty two plus touches in four of six. The Bengals are on the offensive line. They had dealt with some injuries to Clint bowling before. The before the bye week. All those guys should be one hundred percent coming off the off week in that bodes well for Joe mixing on the other side. I think that you know, the the saints their road game splits have been difficult. They they have just not been as good in Rhode road games. But this matchup is is not scary at all Bengals defense is not been very good in pass rush. They just lost Carl Lawson to a torn ACL. So they're twenty fifth and sacra twenty-second quarterback hit rate. So drew Brees even though he is away from the Superdome. I think we can we can start him pretty confidently in season-long leagues. And I don't think he's a terrible DFS play either. Alvin chimera is clearly the saints lead back in you know, there was some concern before the saints by because there was that game against the Redskins wear kind of looked like they were they were going to use Mark Ingram. Maybe even as lead back, or at least in a fifty fifty manner. But Kamera has been the guy last week Twenty-three touches to Mark Ingram. Ten Marquette grim? Also lost a fumble Alvin Kamara has out touched Mark Ingram inside the ten yard line eight to three since the week six by and that's how. Commere has gotten four of his five touchdowns. Mark Ingram is scoreless. Since that Redskins game in week five. The Bengals four point nine yards per carry in the eleventh most receiving yards per game two opposing running backs. In the past catcher core. Michael Thomas, just an absolute beast. The Bengals are giving up. The most completions in the NFL per game twenty eight completions per game. So this is a good matchup really for every single pass catcher on the saints. Michael Thomas what what the Bengals did in that week eight game before their by. They used Drake creek, Patrick and William Jackson they're outside quarterbacks to shadow to shadow Mike Evans into Sean Jackson, respectively that did not go. Well, Mike Evans, just roasted raker Patrick. William Jackson got beat for sixty touchdown ball by jacks. But I think the Bengals might try to do that again. And I would like that for Michael Thomas going up against Patrick. And then I think we would see William Jackson on trae Kwan Smith. And I think that that would be a a matchup that trick want Smith could exploit as well. William Jackson has been a little bit of a disappointment. So far this year. Ben Watson came back to life in the box score last week. We still only ran eleven pass routes the week before he had no catches on seven pass route. So he's playing in a rotation with Josh hill. And then they have started us do Dan Arnold a converted wide receiver at tight end a little bit in the passing game. And that is cut into Ben opportunities. He's not a guy that I'm trying to play personally we can move onto the next one. Yeah. Just a little insight there. I was talking with Dan Campbell before that saints Redskins game. I called on the sideline for and he's the tight end coach for the saints. He really likes Dan, Arnold, really likes them. Any? He told me that night that you might see Dan Arnold do things. I think he had a catch or something that night against the Redskins. So that is young guy that they like and think has promise let's get to the falcons just signed Bruce urban as we're recording this and the Cleveland Browns, who by the way, it's so funny when you saw like the first game for Byron left which David Johnson. Larry got the ball more first game for Freddie kitchens. And do Johnson gets the ball more like. You can figure out you can get the ball to guys that you wanna get the ball to never an excuse for that. It's a million in one examples of it. Okay. Do you have any theories on you know, why Todd Haley Hugh Jackson wouldn't give the ball to do Johnson? No. I don't. I don't know. I don't know why they did not make it more of a priority. Is it like, you know, they don't like him. Maybe or like, you know, they. I don't like I just I don't get it. Like do they play favorites with guys that they like in training camp? The weird thing about it is because there are some coordinators that their comfort zone is receiver route patterns and getting the ball to receivers tight end. Whatever right baton Haley got lady on bell in the passing game time. So it's not like it's not like that's not a strength of his. And by the way, they also know that their receivers aren't very good. So it makes it even more puzzling. I mean, sometimes people get fired because they get fired a lot of times, actually. Yeah. Yeah, anyways. But I totally agree with you, you know, about, Freddie kitchens. They just immediately make this this small tweak, which really should have been easy. And all of a sudden offense a little bit more functional, and you know, the the past protection problems, although they are not going away. I mean, you're starting frigging. Greg Robinson, left tackle and can't play. You know? But when when you can get the ball to Johnson on quick hitting routes that are very high percentage. I mean, he had nine targets last week caught all nine. That's his high high percentage as you possibly can get in a counter for both touchdowns that's going to that's going to help your rookie quarterback. And I mean, jeez. You know what? What should they be doing helping rookie rookie quarterback? I I wouldn't use the word trust for Johnson. Because we've seen it one of nine games but facing this falcons team that gives up eight and a half catches per game two opposing running backs. Nick Chubb is averaging what one catch per game. Since he took over for Carlos Hyde, which if the Browns just get to the average amount of receptions that will leave seven and a half catches for Johnson Johnson. It should be the guy to capitalize on that. So I where I have him certainly PR leagues starting Duke Johnson. In like, the best possible matchup for for running backs that catch passes Nick Chubb is going to continue to be pretty touchdown dependent. These touches have gone up every game since Carlos Hyde was sent out was sent packing eighteen twenty and twenty three twenty three under Freddie kitchens. Baker may feel is very much in play as a streamer quarterback this week falcons. Just have not been good on defense in. Baker Mayfield has been a top thirteen fantasy quarterback in two of his last three starch. Darvish landry. Got a little banged up last week a good. It's a good matchup for him. He's been getting a lot of volume he has been under performing that volume. But we can continue to start him in season-long leagues for sure. In this game has relatively decent high scoring potential. The falcons offense is playing a very very high level right now. And hopefully the Browns can continue to get better under their revised coaching staff. David Joe coup was a ghost in week. Eight in week nine he reappeared did not have a big game. But this another really good matchup Thakin's missing. A lot of key dudes at safety and linebacker. Antonio Calloway's going to be a big play dependent kind of guy saying with Damian Radley rich retard Higgins came back last week saw four targets Perryman at six targets, of course, only two of them. But you know, he started to cut into the playing time of the other guys. They're they're trying to cooperate bre shot Perryman, and that's kind of a concern for the other guys usage. Matt Ryan has been matchup proof coming off four touchdown game. In DC. The I was worried about the falcons protection last week. But they they protected him. Very very well. Which was the first time in a road game that they had done that effectively all year who Jones gets into the end zone on an awesome play designed by Steve Qizheng goes well over one hundred yards should have had another long touchdown. Josh Norman, like horse collar tackled him on the way to on like this deep ball from Matt Ryan and wound up being a forty six yard DPI. But. Just just who Jones dominated that matchup against Josh Norman last week Calvin Ridley came back alive score touchdown on a forty yard kind of a quick crosser. Took it to the house. Got a great block from Muhammad's to new. He he's in every week wide receiver three Muhammed sin. New. Was really not as involved in the passing game last week. He had a ton of great blocks. And he's going to be out. There is going to be a touchdown dependent guy every single week. Austin Hooper was quiet while the other dudes in the passing game went off that could easily flip this week. Cleveland has has not been good against tight ends historically under this defensive staff, and you know, especially with Joe show. Bert Schober middle linebacker doesn't seem like he's going to be back this week that is bodes well. For opposing tight ends. Tevin Coleman also went off against Washington primarily in the passing game. But man, the falcons offensive line just came off their by destroyed the Redskins that was really one of the most surprising kind of battle like individual battles. Of week nine considering the way the Washington front had played end considering the fact that the falcons had just placed their second starting guard on injured reserve and Brandon Fusco they're missing Levin tree in Fusco since the beginning of the season. But they I mean the falcons running backs averaged over four yards per carry in terms of yards created before contact last week and that is just astronomical number. And you know, you you watch the game. I mean, falcons offense align was blowing the Redskins defensive line off the ball that bodes well for Tevin Coleman as kind of like a fringe Rb one. I think this week in Edo Smith is a flex option. Qizheng coming off the bye really got both of them involved in the passing game. That is not something that he had done is a huge part of their. Game plan through these kind of like arrow routes out to the sideline. Get Tevin Coleman into space who really was a fun fun game to watch. We can move onto the next one. All right. I'm with you, by the way that very impressive by the falcons, align. Let's see if the Redskins can do the same now that they lost both their guards. How about the Jags and the colts? Couple teams coming off buys. Jacksonville. In Indianapolis, so injured luck. I think at this point we can consider him to be matchup proof. In the Jack in the Jaguars have given up the most quarterback rushing yards per game. Like to see that for Andrew luck. What are the reasons that we can consider Andrew luck? Matra proof is because is passed protection has been just unflappable one hundred sixty straight dropbacks. With no sacks taken eighteen touchdown passes over his last five games. This is a top three offense of line. The colts have top three offensive line. They also have been dominant in run blocking. Marlin mac. Before the by had his second his second street one hundred plus yard rushing game. The first colts back to do that since two thousand seven Joseph Di Moreland MAC played a career high and snap sixty three percent in credit career, high twenty seven touches for one hundred and forty nine total yards to scores. Of course, it was against the raiders the Jaguars are more difficult opponent. But you know, the Jaguars are like kind of a dysfunctional team right now and Marlin MAC is playing at a super high level along with the colts offense of line which ranks number two football, outsiders run blocking Marla MAC or be one. In week ten in the receiver core. This another reason to buy into interlock. Because all the dudes are healthy. Now, Jack Doyle's healthy t y Hilton is healthy MAC is healthy can make plays in the passing game. Eric Ibran goes back to being more of a role player as opposed to a featured player in their offense. He scored a touchdown every game. The Jack Doyle has played so far this year is three for three with Jack Doyle in there. But he's going to be more of a touchdown dependent guy only has a five four three targets in those games. Jack Doyle should be locked and loaded into a fantasy lineups. Before the by and I wasn't necessarily expecting this. But his his hip injury coming back from that. He looked totally totally healthy. He went over seventy yards for the first time since last November. He scored this touchdown ten yard touchdown where he just carried a raider safety karl-josef into the end zone. He's averaging seven point three targets. Berg aim. We can start him against the Jags weeks. Four through eight tight ends caught sixty four percent of targets. Eight average eight point two yards yards per target in scored three touchdowns in those five games against the Jaguars Dontrelle Inman, Ryan grant, Chester Rogers. You know, I I don't know how to sort through these guys right now, I kinda need to see a game to get an idea a TY Hilton. His last four receiving lines against the Jags three for fifty one at a touchdown to for twenty seven six ninety five and seven for forty two and a touchdown. So not perfect. But I would say three for four. You know, he's probably gonna get a lot of coverage from Jalen Ramsey but back at full health like playing at home indoors at Lucas oil stadium. I think the t y Hilton is a guy that may we don't view we probably shouldn't view them as the wide receiver one. He's been a lot for last couple of years, especially such a deep pass catcher core. But I definitely think we can consider him a wide receiver two slash three on the other side. I'm just kinda waiting on news on Leonard for net. But it does look like he's going to be back. Not sure if he's going to have to split a little bit with Yeldan Carlos Hyde. That's possible. But, you know, hard hard to say we have not seen him very much this year, you know, the drill with the pass catcher Corbin assist. You know, there are a lot of dudes, and there's not a whole lot of officiency in the passing game as a whole and with four net back like they they are much more incentivized to throw the ball a lot. We can move onto the next one cardinals coming off a bye at chiefs who just keep rolling. Yes. I think Kareem hunt has a legitimate case to be this week's top running back or fantasy running back play over even over Todd Gurley. The cardinal or the chiefs are favored by three scores against Zona. The cardinals have given up the second most fantasy points league two running backs. They're averaging thirteen point eight points per game. And they just have not been able to hold onto the ball and so- opposing running backs average twenty nine and a half carries per game against Arizona. That puts a Kareem hunt and a great great position. He is gone over three five receiving yards in five of his last six games last week. It was facing off with the Browns Greg wounds blitzes a lot. So we want to do against teams of blitz alive. To hit him in the screening. And that's exactly what Andy redid. Unlike a misdirection play fake behind line of screamers Tyree. Kill Kareem hunt gets the screen stiff arms, Jamie Collins, fifty yards touchdown and the cardinals actually blitz. Even more than the Browns. The cardinals had the highest blitz Ray the entire NFL at thirty eight percent. Patrick Mahomes has been a top twelve fantasy quarterback in eight of nine starts any six top five finishes. Don't wanna over thank him. There is some concern. Maybe the chief school will be out to such a lead that they might take the air out of the ball. But you know, how are they going to get that lead? It could very well be three more Patrick Mahomes touchdowns. Travis Kelsey has been incredible beat Christian kirksey and Djibril peppers for touchdowns last week. Eight point eight targets per game leads all tight ends heirarchy. Tyreek hill. Plate ninety seven percent of the snaps coming off that groin injury last week beat TJ Kerry for a forty yard gain. But you know, just wound up not having a big game. It was Travis Kelsey week cream. A cream week. That's going to happen sometimes entirely possible that tyreek hill bounces right back Sammy Watkins popped up with a foot injury on Wednesday morning. And that's that's worrisome because we know about Sammy Watkins at his history of foot injuries might wanna go grab Chris Conley. Sooner rather than later as a potential fill-in against AirAsia because there's probably gonna put Patrick Peterson. Tyreek hill that doesn't shutdown. Tyreek hill. No one really shuts down tyreek hill except for target volume. But Chris Conley? Great athlete has played a lot of snaps this year, but has not mostly like a decoy mostly a blocker. But he is target projection would definitely rise. Sammy Watkins MRs and DaMarcus Robinson actually could be. Guy who would fill in filled indirectly Marcus Robinson was a game where Sammy Watkins left early with a hamstring injury. In DaMarcus Robinson was actually the guy that jumped right into that that that that ex receiver roles lock ins the axe tire kill disea- Andy Reed's offense on the other side, you mentioned Byron left which earlier the biggest tweaks that the cardinals made. In addition to just, you know, making sure that David Johnson got his twenty isn. Learn. Fitzgerald had his best game of the year. They used a lot more max protection to help the cardinals offensive line which had been struggling. They leaned heavily on screen place. Use use the screen game a lot and that was a way to get David Johnson on the edges. That's a way to help their offense of line in the got the ball out of Josh Rosen hands quickly next gen stats clock. Josh Rosen average week eight time to throw at two point three six seconds easily his fastest through five starts. So no question by left, which is the quarterbacks coach, you know, he came in and he made significant changes in a short time span. And now they had the by to work through whatever. Whatever else it was that a Byron left, which can fix so very very promising play calling debut from Byron left which and then he gets the extra time. Josh rosen. I think is. To quarterback league play against Kansas City. He's probably going to have to dial up a lot of attempts in this game. Your teams tend to have their pass attempts elevated when they play Kansas City Chiefs do play much better defense at home though. So I'm not trying to like stream or playing playing DFS chiefs allowed their opponents holder opponents eighteen and a half points per game at Arrowhead, David Johnson. Also ran the most routes that he has all year in Byron left which is first game. Calling plays thirty pass routes total one hundred yards for just a second time this season. She's a mentioned earlier the cardinals have given up the second most fantasy points per game to running backs. Chiefs have given up the most fantasy points per game to running backs in the NFL including a league high seventy point four receiving yards per game. I think David Johnson can can have a blow up week against against. Kansas City, even though I think that they will be playing behind. But I think this can be one of the games. David Johnson gets like seven or eight catches. I think it really needs to be Larry FitzGerald dominated targets twelve area arts and production eight for one or two in a touchdown in that game with left which calling plays now has seven or more targets for of. Josh rosen. Five starts played on the perimeter a little bit more, which I thought was notable especially because the chiefs have been good against slot receivers this year, but he had half of his targets on perimeter routes as opposed to playing the whole time in the slot. As I think that can help him in this particular matchup Christian Kirk has a touchdown or fifty five plus yards in four of Josh. Rosen's five starts that puts him on that wide receiver three slash four Flint fringe, he plays outside more than Larry FitzGerald. Rickie seals just has done. Nothing. Could talk about the matchup as really good on paper. But Ricky seals is a hard due to put any kind of faith in based on his production to date. He did run a season high thirty seven routes with left which calling the plays. And we we can move onto the next one next one. I'm not expecting there to be very long discussion. It's the bills and the jets. Yeah. I knew that he we're going to go to this one after that introduction. The it was it was a nightmare last week for Sam darnold. Unfortunately, he was pressured on forty four percent of his dropbox in Spencer long the center. Just had a terrible day in terms of snapping so bad that they had to bench him. But that threw off the timing and rhythm of offense. That's not taking it. You know, that's not giving a excusing Sam darnold but for throwing four interceptions. But the offense was just. Less than functional in week nine against Miami. Is Ahah crow. Well, sixty total yards fewer and seven of his last eight games. Now one touchdown since week three. He got out snapped by Trenton cannon in week eight and then Elijah McGuire. Fresh off the return in week nine out snapped Isaiah Crowell again. I nearly nine pass routes that was that master season low. He's thirty fifth among thirty six qualified running backs in football, outsiders, rushing success rate, which measures consistency. So you can look at is as cruel ELS yards per carry average, which is five a career high. But man, you watch the play that you look at his consistency metrics in man. It's been a rough go far more often than not for as they occur. Well this season. I think this could be a game where he rebounds a little bit. The jets should be pretty positive game script. In a game like this. But it's also possible that they give electoral wire fell alive. Thought a likable guy. Really good last week. Fifty six percents of the snaps. Ten touches sixty seven yards. The guy with two and a half years left on his rookie could be part of the future in the jets backfield. Whereas I don't think that occur. Well. Probably is jets can save three million dollars cap space by cutting Crowell after this year. The pass catcher core is just. It's wide ranging would be one way to to term. It Germain curse Robbie Anderson Quincy, noon law, Chris Herndon. Deontay burnett. Jordan legged Eric Tomlinson were all guys that saw double digit targets behind those guys last week. Bills. Give the second fewest yards per game two opposing wide receivers. Chris Hurn take a massive step forward last week on terms of his usage. Sixty four percent of the snaps. Twenty six routes run led the team in receiving four for sixty two on four targets Kiko Alonzo for a twenty six yard catch in the first quarter. Buffalo has not been great or bad against tight ends. What you're looking for with Chris? And you want to make sure that Neil sterling is not play. He suffered multiple concussions. You know, unfortunately. And I hope that he gets better. But in terms of fantasy you want to see you'll sterling take another week off if you're trying to use Chris Herndon, speaking of terrible offenses, we have the bills. We don't know who's going to be the starting quarterback yet. It's going to be decided based on whether Josh island can get healthy. I don't think that he will. But they they have come out and said that their depth chart is number one, Josh Allen number two, Derek Anderson. Who's trying to get crew cleared from her concussion number three Nathan Peterman in the number four Matt Barkley Leshan McCoy. Just has no room to run. And you know, you'd really like to see this is facing off jets team that blitz a lot you really like to see Brian able get him rolling in the screen game. He should have a higher four this week that usual because I don't think that critic Chris ivory is gonna play due to a shoulder injury. Took a massive blow to the shoulder on when he's like leap trying to leap into the end zone last week and had to go to the hospital. My guess is that he won't play in. He's been playing decent amount recently. So that would help on McCoy's workload projection, Marcus Murphy is next in line at running back for buffalo. Don't want anything to do with any of these wide receivers in buffalo. We could talk about Lou Thomas though, Charles clay, not going to play with a hamstring injury this week logo. Thomas had seven catches for forty yards last week. He's going to share with Jason crew though, Jason Croom has had some moments this season last week. He lost a fumble. Amid a great catch lost a fumble right at the end of it. So definitely no sure thing for Logan Thomas. But you know, if you're in like a deeper league or you're trying to stream there's nothing vailable Logan Thomas. Good athlete in coming off a seven catch game. You would rather see him paired with Nathan Peterman though, and we can move onto the next one. The next one curious to get your thoughts on the Redskins who put Paul Richardson on. I r n both starting guards and had signed three offense of linemen off the street and how that impacts their fantasy guys against fits magic and the bucks and magic threw four touchdown passes against Carolina, and they're left tackle Trent Williams is out thumbs surgery in right tackle Morgan. Moses MC L spring. So they're only healthy starter on offense of line right now is chase ruler. Who think is probably their worst starter? On the on the line, maybe him more or maybe a loud vow at left guard. But either way like this is. This is like awful, we saw the Redskins kind of go through this last year toward the end. And they, you know, even with Kirk cousins them in their offense was a lot better last year than it is this year. They were, you know, more often than not unable to overcome that. I actually think it puts the buccaneers defense to look at bucks defense stinks. Okay. But I think it puts the bucks defense into into play as a streamer this weekend as a cheap DFS punt, you know, so that you can get other studs in. I would look into that. I you know, I know that the bucks have been so bad on defense. Alex Smith is not been good fantasy to single week this year. Really hasn't been a top twelve score at all. So I just I don't know if he has the upside. Jordan Reed has now gone five straight games below fifty yards. I don't think the Jordan Reed look bad on the field. I really don't you know, and but everything catches on like flat routes and check downs. I would be using Jordan Reed in fantasy against Tampa Bay. But his is the way that he is being used as pretty discouraging. He gets like he gets out produced by Vernon Davis. Vernon Davis, by the way, looks awesome out there. And he actually is in the mix as well. As a streamer is a guy probably that he is a available at ninety plus percent of. Season-long leaks bucks? Terrible against tight ends as you might imagine a MAURICE Harris. You know, he had filled for Jameson crowd or in four previous games, just nothing. And then all the sudden he went nuts last week. Ten catches over one hundred yards. If Jamison Crowder is not back this week that MAURICE Harris becomes a legitimate fantasy play against the buccaneers who've been getting smashed all season by slot. Receivers. Outside. It will be put WI with no, Paul Richardson. It'll be Josh dachshund. Who's really just a touchdown dependent guy? He did score touchdown last week. I of the season in Michael Floyd, Brian quick assist. Pretty ugly. Whiteout core in Washington. Ryan fitzpatrick. Talk about Adrian Peterson. I don't know if Chris Thompson will be back. We will find that out later in the week. Adrian Peterson got killed by game flow last week the Redskins fell behind early against the falcons. Just unable to to feed Adrian Peterson of course, losing most waffles of Lyman during the game the game played out really really poorly for Adrian Peterson. And I would be concerned that something similar could happen this week against Tampa Bay. I think that this bucks. Offense is going to be able to score points against Washington's defense Redskins really got hurt by. Last week by Tevin Coleman on the edges. The buccaneers can do similar things. I think with OJ Howard. And at the this is a revenge game for Sean Jackson. I don't I don't think that anybody in Washington's secondary can hang with him. We saw Josh Norman roasted by Julio Jones relentlessly last week. Mike Evans at a terrible game while he James bradberry really deserves a lot of credit for that though. James Bradbury had like the game of his life shutting down Kevin's last week. And Ryan Fitzpatrick had some overthrows Mike Evans had a drop the oldest fourth of the season. So far. But I think that Mike Evans can absolutely bounce back at the end today. What we want our targets area arts and targets, Mike Evans. They were there for him ten targets in air yards the fifth most of any player in the NFL last week. So I think he's a very easy bet so bounce back against Washington. I don't think that Adam Humphreys going to keep it up, and we can look at how good the Redskins have been against slot receivers. If you just look at the fact that you know. That that bradberry did such a good job against Mike Evans last week. It can kind of help to explain why item Humphries had that monster game Humphries has played really. Well this year, you know, I'm not trying to take away from. But I think from fantasy standpoint he is kind of a point chasing pick paint. Barbara's is going to continue to be a touchdown dependent guy. Cameron break unplayable. We can move onto the next one. The last one Evan for part one year. Of course, we'll drop part two in your podcast app. Shortly after midnight. The last one is the patriots and the titans and before we get to that. I did want to tell you. And I think people that listen to the other shows already know this actually won the bed online podcast sports net challenge again this week, which means the second straight week. Those of you that have already gone to bed online dot AG and gotten an account, and you actually get a fifty percent. Welcome bonus. When you use the code podcast one. But this is the second straight week. I get to credit five of you with one hundred dollars in your account. So if you already have an account fine. My tweet today at Ross Tucker NFL, and send me your account number and then five of you will get one hundred dollars deposited in which is pretty awesome. So even if you haven't done it yet sign up now, but online dot AG use the code podcast one getting account number tended to me. I just found don't actually pick who gets it. They look at my tweets, and they just randomly pick five people based on people that tweet me their account numbers. So go for it. But online dot AG with the promo code podcast one the last matchup. It's the patriots. Evan who even without Sony? Michelle and gronkowski found a way to manufacture some offense on the night. They usually do against the titans who don't look now. Evan. I think they're starting to figure out who they are what they are that Derrick Henry is not good and the on Lewis is and what Mario does. Well, because I thought they were pretty impressive in the game against the chargers. I called over in London by and did some good things against the Cowboys. Couple offense about. In a row. I agree with you that that's actually that's a good point. In New England has not played well on defense for most of the year. Although I thought they did a pretty good job against Green Bay. They were able to get some some pretty good pass rush on Green Bay this. Tennessee offense is definitely offense that it's hard to get a handle on because they also that great game Philadelphia earlier in the year. And then they kind of you know, went in the tank for a while. I just I just don't know where we're going to get Stefan Gilmore on Corey Davis. Corey Davis has been a disappointment from fantasy standpoint certainly flashes on the field at times, but you know, his box scores have not been great disa- revenge game for Dion Lewis, Dan Lewis is clearly taken over as titans feature back. Derrick Henry is just if you don't get a touchdown from is going to hurt you and he's only score touchdowns all season. But Dion Lewis is confident play against New England. I think that he's like a DFS cash game play at home against the team that gives up a lot of rushing efficiency. And. Receiving two opposing our bees Johnny Smith Koto touchdown last week. But really not trying to mess with him. At all take one Taylor suffered a foot injury. Tajiks sharp was nowhere to be found. I thought that he would be a guy that he was starting to emerge. He had a big game in London against the chargers. And I just he did never catch any one target last week. So. When you're dealing with the very up and down offense that that those types of things are going to happen. I think it Marcus mariota is in the mix as streamer. I just I don't have a lot of faith in the offense right now. But the you're right that they have strung together. A couple of good games. And this is not a bad match up at all at home against New England. On the other side. The offense is just hard to talk about because we don't know about seventy Michelle we don't know about rob gronkowski and James white even got banged up a little bit last week. Although he did come back in the game. But. Read my column on Thursday about on Thursday night or on Friday about the patriots. Sorry, just just don't have enough information. Got it. Right. Well, yeah, there's a lot that needs to be sorted out. There. That'll do it by the way for part one. We will record part two which is the Sunday late games the Sunday night or and the Monday night or immediately and post that on your podcast app. Shortly after midnight like I said a couple of minutes ago. So make sure you are ready for that. 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1st and Goal Playing With Science Checkdown Week 5

No Huddle

02:53 min | 2 years ago

1st and Goal Playing With Science Checkdown Week 5

"It's time for the playing with science check down where sciences sports collide. After that, we're pleased to be joined by our friends, Gary O'Reilly. Dr, Eric, Goth, fellas trick. Ration- pay dividends today for the New York Giants on the road and North Carolina guys take us through the play. Well, professor professor go, this is from the university of Lynchburg, drew my eyes deceive me. And what is the science behind such an amazing play. Well, Gary, when we think of a black hole in the cosmos, we think of an object that sucks everything in and doesn't let go. That's what Odell Beckham junior is on a football field. Normally, if a pass goes his way the defense get sucked in his direction and he's not gonna let go the football and that's what got the Panthers fooled. The giants had two receivers, including Beckham on the far left side of the field tight end Scott Simonsen was in motion to the left. All the action looked to be the left when giants quarterback Eli manning received the ball, he fired to his left for Beckham, stood waiting giants. Tight end Rhett Ellison ran straight down the field and had the attention of Panthers safety. Mike Adams, Panthers defensive in Mario Addison who had lined up across the right side of the giants line was focused on Beckham after Beckham caught the ball, the Panthers were getting sucked toward Beckham. Meanwhile, like a stealthy Nittany. Lion giants rookie running back saquon Barkley. Snuck behind Addison Beckham then through the past just before Panthers corner. James bradberry could get to the ball Beckham launched the bought nearly forty nine miles per hour at a lofty angle of thirty seven degrees above the horizontal. The Baltic two point six seconds to reach Barclay Beckham's pass was thirty one yards down the field that just there were that same distance across the field meaning he threw the ball over forty five yards in the air. When Barkley caught the ball, he had only to outrun Panthers rookie linebacker. Jermaine Carter junior Barclay hit nineteen miles per hour and Carter didn't have a chance. Gary Odell Beckham junior acted. I like a black hole and sucking the attention of the Panthers in his direction. He then acted like a pro quarterback with a nearly perfect passed to his rookie running back. Presence. Thank you so much for the numbers in the physics. Well, chaps as a professor will tell you, you cannot break the moles of physics, but next week, if oh, dough catches he's unconscious. He just may well have been them which of course he's resistible for me. He will have been Mike Beckham. Life isn't predictable. Is it? Well, sometimes it is. Sometimes it isn't that you in the studios well played looking forward to chatting with you guys again next week. The playing with saints check down all free only on tune in.

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Hour 1

First Take

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Hour 1

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We actually do take notes. All right, guys. We ready to do this. I'm always ready because we had a football game last night. You must be feeling real good football game. Eating let me till grit flares going to be here too. Ten people is going to be on the show. We'll canes going to be on the show. So we have a lot in store for you. So let's get into it below loud on Thursday night. Football Steelers dominating the Panthers on both sides of the ball. Ben Rothlisberger nearly perfect twenty to twenty five for three hundred twenty yards five while the Steelers defense sacked Cam five times, picking him off once mathematically this was it that the Steelers were that good or you feel like the Panthers, which is that that Steelers are that good. They're a hot team and they're getting hotter. As the season moves on from time with the Browns early. And I did not think this a playoff team coming into this season. I like the ravens better I thought the Bengals were right there with the Steelers. I thought the Steelers really have to be fighting on wire. I do love the fact that you brought up that you didn't even have gone to the wreck because I was going to bring it up. I don't have to bring it up. I don't run it took. I don't run. Okay. Okay. All right. The point is that this Steelers team goes from a tie with with Cleveland to go. On the road to Baltimore to now, ripping up on Panthers team. That's really quite good. Now, I understand and we're gonna get to this in a minute. It's a Thursday night game. The Panthers are on the road. We know funky things like that happen. But this dealers team we knew about the offense we wondered how go without Levy on bell. Ben Rothlisberger who I thought was declining. And I thought who's showing evidence that last year and then early this year is on fire this Steelers, obviously the skills positions. Phil have what they need in Connor's been excellent this year and the defense it's not just the secondary. Everyone's talking about the secondary. How about that pass rush last night putting Cam under pressure? Now, they couldn't do a lot with McCaffrey out of the backfield. I get it. There's still some. They're not a perfect team. But this is a white hot team that showed you how good they were last night. Good Steelers bad Panthers. Let's get right to it. Okay. First of all, we all know, we all know that I'm a steal as fan. And unlike some people, I know are predicted they were gonna go to place. A matter of fact, I had to steal is going to the Super Bowl even even K at the city's put gave me caused to pause, but let me be very very clear the Panthers stunk up the joint last night. I mean, they passed gas on national television. But they did. Okay. This is what happens when you. Excuse me. Ladies because skews me if something smells it smells. Okay. And that's the reality of the situation. I mean, it was a skunk. That showed up it at hunt field last night on that better for you. I mean, this is what it is the reality. Is this no matter how good the Steelers have bit and their offense is sensational in. There is no doubt about that. When you're leading receiver is four catches for forty yards in Greg Olson, that's all you need to know Cam Newton's complete sixty eight percent of his pets. Then Matt last thing I pass to the game. He throws it in temps that events. Where return for pick six? Okay. That's before a seventy five yard hookup from Big Ben Rothlisberger juju Smith Schuster. I'm gonna give names here. Because listen, it's like a mugshot. That's what put up these guys James bradberry. Dante Jackson and Eric Reeves. I mean, you talk about dude that didn't show up let we sorta ever agreed citing because of a hit on Big Ben Rothlisberger that got him ojected. That's the only. Relevant thing that the Panthers secondary did last night. That is not typical Carolina Panthers. His defense stout. Big, tom. It's good. But it's not that it's not on that level. But this certainly not that bad. I'm not taking anything away from what we still for the Pittsburgh Steelers. But had you had you won the game thirty five thirty one or something along those lines. I would understand the respect where it's coming from. We're talking about a Carolina team. That's given up thirty one Lanta. Let's giving up thirty one thirty one of the New York Giants Twenty-three a Redskins twenty eight to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. All right. The ravens go at twenty one point to get them. They bend a lot. But don't necessarily break last night. Not only did they break they broke both four five minutes had a rock in the game. That is not the Carolina though rules when something like that happens. That's an extreme Averill. It's not on Thursday nights the rules L Thursday night. That's right. That what you write the rules of the NFL are set up in a way that favor the offense to such. Absurd extent nowadays, which the fans love it's happening in basketball too. Whenever happens in baseball that gets more popular fans love offense. Everyone says defense wins championships but most especially casual fans love offense. And it's so out of whack at this point that when two teams neither have a great amount of time to prepare. I defensive team gets killed the last two any rupture because I don't want to get from you about Thursday night. No one love Thursday night football. What to you Thursday nights have been very good. This your early on. However, another excuse me out another. No, no, you're trying to take. Philosophically? I don't wanna hear it landing about you have been loving Thursday night. Phil come in now to laugh at it day night football next games have resulted in defenses giving up an average of forty three points. They don't have to be bad games on Thursday night. A lot of the early games were good. But as the hit with America Reacher, he got a check did from that check. What he do? He actually tried to alter his trajectory hit right answer that question. What did he do? We live in an age where a quarterback you can get a jetty for breaking quarterbacks fingernail. That's how bad why Carolina looked. So what I'm trying to say to you is. What he did? Everyone knows. Everyone knows one of quarterback is sliding he was in the air time. Everyone knows when a quarterback is slotting feet. I you can't touch a we don't like it. We uphold the rule, but it has been in place long enough him to nobody. I agree with evergreen. It wasn't intentional. That's why he gave big their path and Ben Rothlisberger didn't overreact. Because you're right. He tried to alter body in the where he didn't try to hit his head in any way. But one of quarterback is sliding feet. I if you're breathe on him. First of all the teams are tired because they have short rest and Secondly the league sending them every message. Hey defense. Don't try hard. I mean, so you get lot. You get defense is giving up huge points as Carolina did Pittsburgh is for real Carolina was on short rest. And that is that's what I'm saying to you is that for this question for the purposes of this discussion what was more prevalent, and I'm saying that I'm saying, well, let me finish Steelers offense is explosive as they were last night. We will side that explosion. Are you gonna let me finish both sides to actually actually we're not going nowhere. Not disagree point. Is the Steelers offense. It's indicative of who they are that Carolina Panthers defense. No is very few teams in the NFL that stinks that early. They stunk two minutes into the game. Right. But I just told you every defense last week's stunk on Thursday night. Meantime, Pittsburgh's offense you am. I'm glad you said it. You said that because you cannot talk to me about those. It hits offense is for real. What we see from Pittsburgh. Now VO is a secondary that can play with a pass rush up front. I mean, that's the whole thing with kids for what have you been lamenting for years now right years ago? You would talk about the Pittsburgh offense of line Tomlin fixed that came on this show and point that out to you try pointed it out, and you guys fixed it now you've been religiously every week to week turn out their secondary. Not only is their secondary better. But the pass rushes there to this is what you've been waiting for us. First of all while I'm not saying, it's not a matter of enjoyment. I'm doing just fine. It's Friday Chilin. I'm getting ready to fly home after the show who has the tie on. I'm good. And let's not bring up the absence of the tie. If you got a better dress sports writer in America show me who that brother is. I'm here to tell you. All right. So let's be clear the bottom line is this the Steelers we lamented Kansas City's defense, for example. What did the steel of score that game? I believe it was thirty eight points. If I remember correctly they had that in a second quarter yesterday. They had to the second quarter. All I'm trying to say is that for this particular night? It was more bad Carolina. So when we talk about the Steelers being for real in my opinion, it's can they go to the Super Bowl can they compete against Kansas City can they compete against the patriots. Let me ask you this any Stewart's fancier. Back. Ooh, interesting. Let's get into that subject. So Pittsburgh has now on five in a row, and according to president art Rooney additional health is on the way Rooney's at the Steelers Nobels and Pittsburgh the team is expecting Hopi back next week, Stephen a Smith, you just hear these men and women out here. They're not. So sure they want him chemistry's good James Connors playing. Well, with the way this team is playing do they really want lady on to return? I don't think they do. I don't think they do. Now. Let me be very very clear, I'm not going to get into the greatness of Levy on bell. Because that's no debate. We all understand how great he is a nominal of a play. He is. There is absolutely positively nothing about his skill set and his numbers and his level of production that he brings to the table. That's not the subject here. The subject here is a team that's rolling that views him as a distraction to them because of the many which he has handled free agency. I'm not telling you how. I feel as far as I'm concerned take them back the brother in bowl period, but we are on a military thing you ever that. We were in front of a crowd that appreciates the importance of teamwork relying on your brother or your sister along the way, you're Conrad along the way these. These books. When you have a situation where you have ofensive Lamin who disagreed with for call him out, but they call him out. And then you have a coach going on the record saying we want volunteer's not hostages what I'm saying is it's not Stephen eight talk. And it's not max talk. It's not any pundit commentator out there. That's talking. We're talking about what the Steelers are saying what are we to make of what are we to decipher from what they're talking about. What they're talking about is we're fine. Without you, take every single quotes. You have heard emanating out of the Steelers locker room out of the steel city it regardless of his greatness, and it's unquestionable greatness. They have been saying, we're fine without you. And then going on a field over the last five weeks and put on display we found out to the point where very last night after damn near perfect game. What a perfect passer rating for Glenn Big Ben Rothlisberger one of the greatest performances of his career. He's asked a question about Libya bell. He looks to report a straight in the face and says, I'm not talking about anybody. That's not in this locker room, very dismissive, very nonchalant. Very matter of fact about it. Because what they're saying is you sir have been a distraction. And I think that's why we saw all of those tweets from Levy on bell last night because we see somebody trying to re-ingratiate himself to that locker room because he knows he's coming back. And he knows this quite a few people. He's ticked off inside that locker room. They're not going to deal with people who aren't in the locker room Levy on Bell's not in the locker room. That is true. And we understand the NFL teams. That's the way they feel in the off season. If not a controversy, your your money once the season starts, we gotta roll with who's here. Right. That's fine. The fact is it set up in such a way that if labor in this case players want to get paid. Sometimes they have to hold out Levy on bell is taking it to an extreme measure showing up. The last moment he could still get his money and become a free agent when he shows up in the locker room, it'll be different because he will be one of the guys he will be volunteer. He's not so much a hostage as he is the kidnapper kidnapped himself away from the team right for ransom money, and he's going to get it at the end of the year when he becomes a free agent as four should they want him back. Guys think about this first second you made this point with with Dez Bryant on the saints. I'm saying I don't know if I'd take desk Bryant right now, the chemistry's good on the saints. They're rolling. Molly your point. Was death comes out Cameron? It's getting me skipped. Oh, and they have Dez Bryant guys. The Steelers are so hot right now. Your argument is don't mess up the chemistry, but you know, what's more important than that fielding a good team and James the concussion protocol. So it's like, oh what's going to happen to the Steelers? Now, we had this good hard charging crate story. Great productive team chemistry locker room running back James Connor now is health may be in jeopardy. How are we going to fill that void? Oh, I don't know. How about by the bet with the best running back in the game. You're going to talk about your battery turn when last seen the best back in the game. Who you can split out. Why put in the slot run out of the backfield Ican block, everything you want? But that's changing the subject, and here's what I mean. Here's what I'm me about it. I'm not charging you for it. I'm being serious. It's changing the subject because we know they're going to take him back. They don't have to let him sign that franchise tag. Of course, they wanna back as an organization, of course, you realize his greatness what we're talking about is from an emotional. Perspective that guy that actually have to get on that field that guy that you figured if we speaking, of course, particularly for this audience, the guys you have to go to battle with how welcoming are they going to be of him you accept it you accept his greatness? But you know, what you also remember, and I sit up there, and I'll ask you all this question based on a round of applause. How many folks would remember that when they were losing? And they started off one two and one this brother was sending footage of him on jet skis, south beach, who who would forget that. You see what I'm trying to say is that you have people, and I'm not calling Levy on bell. I have no problem with the position any took because I understand his business. But understand he was basically into indicating to them at least, according to some of the cats in that locker room who I've spoken to and there he was indicating he was looking for y'all to fail. He was. Lavishing in the possibility that Joe was thinking because he wasn't there that is something that resonates with teammates. I'm not talking about the general manager on a field. I'm not talking about the owner. I'm not talking about the executives of stairs. I'm talking about those brothers got the show up on the field with when they was ugly, or what Chilin and basically joyous taking it that way. And that's awesome. This is not an argument. I either side is claiming there's no evidence on the other side. There's not a good position on the other side. I'm not claiming it's so clean. Everything is hunky Dory. Everything's be great. I'm saying when you weigh it that which is real that's real. We saw that happen against the fact that Qatar's now concussion protocol and more than anything, even if he's fine points out that you need death, and you are trying to win a Super Bowl. And it looks like you have a real chance to do it. When you have a chance to return a player like Levy on bell. And you know, once he steps in from his point of view. He's trying to win. What? Better stage for him in the playoffs. But you gotta remember out. You got to remember to them to them. There are some people inside that locker room who are questioning his willingness to win. They understand the business side of it. But they're what extra things that came into the equation. There is no reason while Levy on bell would feel the need to send an upside down tweet or last night during the game, the Senate abundance of tweets while the games are going on if you know you right, not if he not handle that situation. Perfect. But I know you're not questioning that. I'm simply saying he knows he didn't do that. And God's can accept Dizza difference between God's accepting that you're needed and wanting you to be there did the different. And I'm sure everybody can understand it. Let me ask this. If Connor can't go next week. So they're gonna appreciate the fact that he's there. But again, they're not gonna be happy about the fact they need. Okay. That's what I'm saying. Okay. That that. That's right. That's why that's why it's an argument because that's that's the balance. But the bottom line is you look at that team Antonio Brown. You can't do better than that juju. Smith Schuster is your number two receiver that number one third. That's that's going to go down historically is one of the great pairings ever. Right. This is passing rothlisburger quarterback playing gift Vance McDonald. And Jesse James at the tight end spot. Very good though there how they have weapons wherever you look and James Connors, and you're about to add this dude, you're about to add the most one of the most versatile running backs ever live. You got on your you. Can't you can't elevate the importance of team chemistry one day, and then ignore it the next I'm telling you all I'm saying is we know the greatness of levian bell. But we cannot ignore the fact he took some of those they want them to return yesterday. Oh, you're saying no, I'm saying. Yeah. I'm saying I'm saying there's a few dudes decide that locker room that don't want him. There's so many on a football team. You never gonna have. That's the James CONNER. They needed. They don't need JiaXuan again kosher protocol. That's why they hate the fact that they need them. I'm with you. They have the Jags Broncos chargers. Coming up next. The steelers. Smoking always affected my daily life because I was a closet smoker. It really sort of controlled my entire day. My boss is the one that recommended you'll so I decided to give it a try. You don't get any of the odor of smoking. There's no ash all over your car. I would say give it a try the flavor and satisfaction of smoking without the mess of cigarette. Asher lingering odor. Switch to Joel check OJ dot com slash sports. If you don't smoke don't start warning. 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I would start with the saints a tough test weekend within outy how much better do you think they are Steven A now adding Dez Bryant first of all I think this inefficiently better. I think that when you consider the fact that they chop away at you. Yes, they're capable of the big place. But that's because so many dues make plays after the catch. Michael Thomas is top five receiving football alva- Kamara one the top weapons for Tunis brothers leaked. And when you consider the fact that you added Mark Ingram to the mix suspended the first four games of the season. And now he's back. You got to do threat out of the backfield. So you can play the power game you can play the nets game. You have one of the most accurate quarterback in NFL history. Drew Brees completed seventy six point three percent of his past. And so when you look at it. From that perspective. And you're usually not going outside the numbers you're doing in between the numbers, and you've got a God capable of playing the slot. That is a big receiver that can make things happen in terms of moving the chains. That's an additional weapon for a guy in drew Brees that didn't need any additional weapons. So when you look at it from that perspective, I think the saying the New Orleans Saints are incredibly formidable and don't get me started on what they're going to do to the Cincinnati Bengals this weekend. I'll get into that. And a second. I don't think I don't think it actually changes them much as a team. I think that Dez Bryant there's a reason that he wasn't perceived the same way in recent years, and it wasn't just the team around. He wasn't getting separation the same way not that he was ever the fastest guy in the world. But he still capable of going up on a fifty fifty ball and making a great play. And you see it like with Adrian Peterson Peterson doesn't do it every single week anymore. Like he wants it. This is what happens to great athletes age. But every now, and then they can remind you why they were special and with. Drew Brees quarterback Peyton breeze. The offense of line that they have the running game that they have. There will be times where people lose their minds over the kinds of plays that Dez will make. But ultimately, do I think he changes the kind of team they are especially if you're down camera Meredith and now you add bright? No, I think they're about as good now as they were before they got him, which is damn good. Me. I'm I'm all of our drew Brees. He's a bad, man. I wish you take. It is the NFL can listen listen. Listen, listen. Nobody's gonna take it easy on the falcons right now because their defense they've been buried with inundated with injuries. But let me get to this Sunday's game for the Cincinnati Bengals respect. Okay. You got to Cincinnati Bengals. I just want the world to understand. Although I'm one of those guys that believe Marvin Lucian beat the head coach, we all know half you when the damn playoff game fifteen years. I know you love him. I don't. I'll let you know what they interviewed me on a radio show in Cincinnati last week. And I did tell them I would lay off Marvin Lewis if you want one play of damn chain that I gotta sit up there and say that. How long season sixteenth season in the National Football League? You haven't won playoff game. Just a disgrace the disgrace. But I'm on a military base. Not want to be nice today. I really really do. So what I would say to you is this what I would say this to the late to the folks out there. Cincinnati bingo fans everywhere my condolences because the beatdown at your about to absorb this weekend. Let me explain something. AJ green is not playing one of the elite receivers in the game. He's not playing that's strike number one strike number two Cincinnati Bengals you got the worst pass defense. It entire NFL rank thirty two dead last number three Cincinnati dead number four some kid call all at once sacked for the first game of the season. But he's second which seventeen hurries against quarterback. He's out. So you got cats Gino Atkins and Carlos done that that's got to make up against who. Drew brees. Mutt? Condolences to the Cincinnati big old time in joy this week. 'cause come Sunday y'all gonna get react strawberries playing. All right do breeze. It's been playing I'll give it to him. Yeah. Early. Flawless football this year. I mean part of it is he's great part of it is he's got a great old line. He's got weapons everywhere. He looks part of it is the rules are favoring the offense in the quarterback and part. Also he plays in a dome. Drew Brees at home is a different guy. He's on the road against the Bengals this week thirty nine years old. So you're sure you're going to be right. The Clinton the. Yeah. The cliff is changed now that they're playing touch. I don't even hundred down flippant. No. We are not allowed because I have love for my partner. Max kellerman. I actually love the God. Okay. When the nicest guy, ever, meet in your life, so out of love for max Kellerman. We don't use the word cliff on this show because it reminds everybody of the after night comment about Tom Brady. Okay. I will. That comment that was before you weren't allowed to breathe on the quarterback that was four that is not channels changed. Speaking of the AFC, let me ask you this. So obviously chiefs have best record in the NFL. But they're young the experience necessarily we got the patch. We got the chargers on their tail which team. Do you think is the best in the AFC? Great as mccombs is. I just feel like in play off time and you're going to have to deal with hatred. The bakery. And every time you walk on. Hey, I gotta tell you something. It's not that. I'm a patriot fan. I'm a friend of town friend. I am but coins of Tom Brady and what I met him at Michigan with Harbaugh on record into or a couple years ago. I assure you couldn't meet a nice guy. Anybody could be difficult. You would think it'd be Tom Brady Tom Brady develop and he walked over and introduced himself. First of all, let me say this. I do I need to ask somebody to give me some Kleenex tissue. Because here's the problem. We talk about Tom Brady. It's like, oh, my Lord. Thank you, very much wipe, the tears. I mean my goodness. Be be critical. Tom brady. I mean. Perfect. All right. The Tom Ford blazes and everything he rocked distant -able. We noticed style cannot be denied when zealous your wife law. Okay. We understand that. Okay. We get that. But last time I checked is greatest. Tom Brady is is greatest Bill Belichick is as far as I'm concerned day. Really America's team not the damn Cowboys. But let me say go, maybe stated the truth. But let me say this is very very important. Does anyone remember the fact that when the patriots won the Super Bowl in two thousand and four it wasn't until another ten years that they won the Super Bowl, plenty of out. What I'm saying that used it? There's been plenty of time to come playoff time. The patriots have got taken out of there. And I think having to go on the road, but take you to Arrowhead stadium against that. Kansas City offense. I gotta be a problem for either way not to mention to mention San Diego, you know, full Britvin LA. Sorry. Thank you. I been doing this now all year and doing the Los Angeles chargers tonight Steelers, look better Steelers, look, great, Los Angeles chargers. Philip rivers is not in the MVP conversation enough. He deserves to be and this is already a good team. There returning Joey below maybe layoffs more than one time in eight years. We think about very high. Gordon on the thing that Steven aid brings up that. I think deserves the most attention here is Tom Brady's looks in my day. The best quarterback in the world had the decency to look like Joe, Montana, a regular guy. Exactly what gives with Tom Brady jacket. All these women are haters down. Radiant, I go guys, you know. He can look I promise you, it ain't the women. Hey, fellas. The looking at Tom living low that was the real reason he wanted Garoppolo out of town. I think. I I think I think porn star Jimmy is just fun. Max giants, right? Guys, Philip rivers that had gone the other way. Do that to us. You got the bad gun. I'll tell you what you're right man, you lie toasted Philip rivers and Ben Rothlisberger is still bowling. But if you would've told me back, then it means to Super Bowls both against the patriots. And Tom Brady one against the other. I'll take it. I'm just like the state for the record. I'm not disrespecting Jimmy Garoppolo. Jimmy Garoppolo went out and public and let the world know he wanted that name that wasn't me. I'm not taking blame for that. He went on. He went on male roles. You know will pop a rot to wrap it up. Do. Whatever. Molly. Geico presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. This is Belinda Collins live on the scene of a recent hailstorm here to describe the event, bro. I was just hanging on the roof. When this gnarly storm starts dropping baseball sized hail. The shingles got beat up a few windows. Broken was savage. Did you do anything to help, bro? I was in your football. Can't help you in a hailstorm. But the guy go insurance agency can help you get covered for personal property damage cold. Gyco to see how a Ford -able homeowners insurance can be. Right now Collins, the rockets hit a new low last night my gun. Tony calling his teams often anemic after losing by eighteen against the funder Houston only scored eighty points its lowest ever regular season score during the dental ni era. Carmelo Anthony back in. Okay. See with former teammate Russell Westbrook who's missed two games. Because of an ankle injury in Anthony struggling return to okay, see, he wasn't one for eleven finish the night with only two points. Paul George had to go in for the funder here hitting the pull up Denver over mellow, then using the screen from Stephen Adams drilling. Three crush twenty points on the night later in the fourth rockets down by twenty Chris Paul is calling for the offense of thousand given a technical foul. The rockets go onto lose ninety two eighty. Here's Anthony what's ailing the rockets offense. We didn't tonight report. They're going to a little bit of energy spirit. Because. Today. We just didn't have. Now, let's get you back to I take. I. You guys go. Okay. Molly before we get to our next object. I just want to say two things number one yesterday. I went on national television and not talked about little semi beef. With Rondo this fifteen games as the Lakers called me to assure me that his comments were not directed at me that I was mistaken. So my attitude is that okay? I'll take them at their word. Rondos a champion to be respected without question. And if they say that I take them at their word. So my apologies to Rondeau four thinking that he says something about me that this saying he did not say that's point number one point number two. John wall for the Washington Wizards did a little video yesterday because I pointed out that he showed up at a club rose Baud number one club in DC right now. Okay. Let me be very very clear to all y'all out here. Yes. I'm a report inside all of that stuff. But I think to what you do on the court. I don't get into people's personal business. But if you end up on video on Instagram, or in the police blotters, guess what that's no longer project. I'm not dumbing you out. I'm pointing out what everybody knows I got a video of this man at the clo- the night before the opener. Now, the bottom line is John wall. He wasn't disrespectful to me. Never is. I got love for the brother. But he does come across right now as being disrespectful to that Washington. Wizards fan base, you better watch, bro. Because when people raise up and come out after you life is going to be very very hard for you in DC, unless you humble yourself watch it I'm not talking about me, we good. But that crowd in DC, they got there is aimed solely in the direction of that, man. If you think you can handle that you got. Got another thing coming real quick comment on that Steven my guide broadcast partner for years. Marcellus wild has a book out. Now, it's excellent by the way of red half. He does. Yeah. Quest job, bro. Never shut up. And he talks about the fact that when athletes have a certain lifestyle, and they're great. There's no scrutiny. But once you're production falls off, even if it has nothing to do with the fact that you're DJ -ing club, or whatever it is. You do in your off time or to get motivation or juice, even if it's because of injury, but your production falls off. Now that other stuff is going to be scrutinized the reason John walls being scrutinized because his production fell off. That's the reason. That's why. By the way match you usually very very shopping. Hope it I want you to know that somebody has contaminated you you got a little blemish on your time. Oh, boy kids go did you go? Now you look shop. Hey, hey, you something what you plan on yesterday. Thank you. I think they got nine. All right. A little bit Carmelo struggling against his former team rockets fall the foreign six on the season. Max is mill the problem for the rockets. Yes. And let me say something. Let me do you hear that? They're all saying. Yes, you guys here's retire. Here's the pro. Here's the problem with mellow. Don't take this like I'm saying mellows, a bad dude or something like that. Right. I'm not. And he was once a great player. Even if he was never a good defenders. Offense was ridiculous. The league has changed. You know? Like if I get online right something on social media if typing with my thumbs, I don't I don't have facility with it. Because I'm not from that generation a millennial does that. No problem their sleep because I have to think about it. Cornell of physical tools are not only in decline, but he also has to think the game more. Now, it's not the same kind of muscle memory. He had when he was selected on offense somewhere. And he just had to put a move on a guy at score. He now, you can see them take a long to like, even if it goes in. He's mad at himself because he knows he's supposed to take three. He has to think the defense differently everything. And as a result he is terrible on both sides of the ball at the thunder. The thunder sheds themselves of mellow good defensive team. Now, the rock. Who were a good defensive team last year have mellow. They can't play defense. Remember that staff last year with the big three on that team? Which was Chris Paul James harden and cappella when they all played together. They almost went undefeated when the three of them we're all the floor together they were playing last night. And they got whooped there's not just that. They're losing that they lost a Reza. And Luke Mamba Limbaugh take the point is that they replaced him with a with a guy could never play defense at its best. And now can't it all and now has to think through the offense inside of the game rendering completely not just only in ineffective individually, but ruining the team Carmelo unfortunately for him is going to be seen lateness career, especially as a team destroyer whether or not that's even feared that's the narrative that's going to be in place. Here's the deal. Everybody knows I go back. We'll come a long time. We're watching him disintegrate before very odd in the ten games. They played this year. He's had over twenty two for those ten games. Okay. It's not like he's a scrawl. It's not like he can't play. It's not like he can't make a contribution. The problem is when you're asking him to do that in the absence of Lucan Bob moutain along with Trevor REEs on the defensive side of the ball and Jeff does silica which defensive coordinator. But it's a little bit too much. Now, here's where it gets interesting. Dep is Dylan. According to what I'm hearing is on his way back if he hasn't arrived back ready, so he had left. This was a defensive mind that had Houston as one of the top one of the top sixty fits in the NBA last season. He's going to be returning. And if indeed he returns, if he hasn't already the bottom line is you anticipate that their defense will have improved. I'm not gonna just put this or mellow. I'm watching the Houston Rockets collectively not be the team that they will last year the fire in their belly the one it factor all those elements that come with the equation. It's not there. It's almost like they felt like their chains was last year it fell short because CPI three got injured in lake game five couldn't play game six or seven. And as a result. It's almost like they're walking around saying that was out window. We blew it. We have nothing left to give. But I'm gonna tell you that. I'm a hold out hope because of this. Two things that I believe in is the heart of Chris Paul and the skills James harden. I encountered them out and playing when I look at mellow. I'm still holding out hope that he's going to be able to give me what he's given us more on hold on. Now quick. How do you explain this thunder coming off the second of back to back and also by the way plane without Westbrook? That's right behind their defense wins the game against the rockets behind their defense last year. It was a different team with Carmelo on. And I think it's the rocket. But the thunder on answer that too much one on one how many times have you watch Chris Paul or James harden and literally your offense is reduced to them. Having a ball in the hands and trying to dance to defend as it relates. That's not gonna always. I understand that. But what I'm saying that you is what makes it worse for Carmelo. Is that Carmella would do if you're a smoker? Switching isn't easy. You've tried vapes. Andy six they just didn't deliver the satisfaction you expected, but Joel is different. It's not an e cigarette. It's vapor product that actually satisfies plus Jewess simple to use. And there's no cigarette. Ash, no lingering odor as a smoker, you expect a certain nicotine experience. Right. Jill delivers give jewelry. Try check out. J U L dot com slash sports. Switch and be satisfied. Yes. 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Broadcasting The 'Boys: NFC East Super Team (Part I)

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Broadcasting The 'Boys: NFC East Super Team (Part I)

"Thursday! Part time here blogging voice network. This is broadcasting the boys along with white. I am tempting Roy on twitter at our DEB three I'm on twitter at Ari Sports, and this is going to be a we. We like to be very serious and the show was very serious. Very serious show is football's a very serious thing and we don't. We don't want to deviate from the seriousness. Today, we're GonNa have some fun. Because this is going to be a dual show is that? Is that a drop in show? What is emerging show? What's the best? What's the best way to call well remakes? Crossover loss over US over this is. This is the Saturday morning cartoon that blew all of our minds when they combined both Spiderman and x men into one fantastic Saturday morning cartoon. You didn't think they can do it. You knew they existed in the same universe, but you didn't think they could write the characters all into the same place and sure enough they did. They made the magic happen made everybody's dreams come true, and that's what I think. This podcast is about you had this is this is both girls talking boys and boys talking voice. I like that. Here's the thing I. Never Watch cartoons, but I feel like you did a great job of describing Roy like if if I did watch cartoons that would be how I would describe this, said Crossover and the magic. It's about to happen on the. Cartoons Kilson I. Know you guys like? I'm a weird person in general I think you'll know that by now I'll know my me and my parents. I was going to poison my brain or something so I just feel feel bad that you didn't watch one Saturday morning growing up with real all that good stuff, so yeah. Sausage. South Park at the simpsons to be still to this day I'm still a huge fan, never watched an episode of either of those another terrific crossover. If you're not familiar with that, then maybe something more without trying to be too stereotypical, think sex in the city and girls Oh okay okay. Yeah I love girls so I get that. We're all the demos. Kelsey Charles on twitter at Kelsey, underscore Charles. Meghan Murray Entre mcmurray. This is the crossover merging podcast of girl's talking boys and broadcast at the boys, and here's the deal. We decided to come together, and on this version of the podcast. We're going to break down and basically vote and then figure out who the best player is. In the NFC East at each position today we're gonNA focus on defense and on Mondays episode of Girls Talking Boys to focus on offense, so we start today on the defensive side of the football. And I was thinking like maybe we can add. The WHO wants to be a millionaire music. Citing positions because that yeah. It gets really intense. When you when you hear that that WHO wants to be millionaire music. Ability it'll. It'll like really raise the blood pressure of us while we're doing this, but then everybody listening as well. Yeah editor, go ahead and do that are. Kelsey beautiful voice. Drop those in from time to time I could. I could definitely do a quick little voice over for you and drop your way. I'm happy to hear that. Nice I'll invoice you afterwards, but it's fine I'm. Totally I mean it makes total sense. Worth all right, should we? Should we get started defense I mean so? If we're building the super team are what defense are we going to be building it off? Are we doing nickel for three, three or four? Like what are y'all thinking? It's twenty twenty. Let's let's let's be. Let's let's go. Nickel defense minutes basically a base defense now right I agree. Are. Four pass rushers, you know four guys rushing the passer and and to backers and the cornerbacks absolutely. That's how we're doing it. I think so. The nickel. Yeah Yeah I mean. So we just WANNA, start fraught or back. Lets, you front. This is where I disturbed. Stuff up already oh dear! Let's start. Let's start with pass rusher. Who's WHO's the first pass rusher here? I mean. You obviously have to pick. The law like he's gotta be. Boring. Hughes Talk You. Switchboard. Shared. I'm not even joking. My blood pressure just froze died. Of course I wasn't ready. But. I, do have a final answer for you or the Marcus Lawrence. Number One on my board pass rusher. Final answer. Any disagreements here. Tank demarcus Lawrence. Absolutely not. How good you? Finally Answer. I tend to agree if there's any case to be made in the NFC I suppose maybe brandon. Grammar Derek Barnett might be in the conversation, but. Me Down. Here, demarcus Lawrence would be my number. One pick pass rusher. But you just mentioned a couple of others could stop easy for now. Go back to it so I mean! We're going to go four. Are we looking for pass rushers Sushi? She goes straight straight through it. I think you I mean you go outside inside to outside to inside. What about the other side? Then you've got the law. I I think where I was kind of like a hard time. What about I? I went Ryan Kerrigan because I. Just I really feel like I mean he's. He's disruptive like. An underrated guy on the edge, but Since! We're going to be incorporating and here's a rule. Making up twenty twenty draft picks. What about chase young you is? I forgot about. Chase Young. Because I. Don't think so. Also my pick so I'm with Kelsey on that one on trace Ya. Definitely. CanNot ignore him. Will they be playing him? I would assume they would be planning on that outside area so yeah Jason, absolutely and Ryan Kerrigan that was another great selection because you will forget it thirteen. Years. Nasrun. Those that Washington defense. Gary between those two players than chase young. I would agree great submission. I could make a case for Brandon Graham. But I I agree here, and it's crazy, because didn't even think about rookies here, but chase young. is an absolute monster, so yeah, we'll go chase young as the second defense event all right, how about the interior of that defensive line and it's what it's good that the redskins will have at least one player in this because I don't know that there had many other players, ooh! Cox, yes big. Hold on. Let's tackle I big box. Are you now got quote? Would you like to take on the record that yes or yes? And Andy? Wishy it ended up. A Dallas Cowboy thought there was a scenario on draft day which he maybe could have but. Since, he was taken by the Eagles. He is nothing but a force on the interior and I still believe opposing teams specialty and. Look at him first and foremost on that Eagles defensive. Line as they need to stop. I I have to really be with you I mean again whenever we're talking about up on the other side of the ball. Even when the cowboys had what we would consider the best align in the NFC east, and quite frankly even in some of the what someone's eighty NFL, what you're Cox was a name that came up consistently as someone that did a good job of facing off against the Second Great Wall, and here in Dallas. He's again a great word to describe him as disruptive. You can't ignore a guy like that especially on the interior. At at times where we've had to fill in some gaps on the interior, like obviously you have Martin, but like you weren't so sure at other times where what the left? Is GonNa. Look like and if you need to switch people around, just having any semblance of uncertainty is is terrifying in the face of a guy like like Fletcher Cox. Fletcher Cox is the Best Defensive Player in this division and. Has Been. He is a force. We've all said it and yeah. He's he's the best. He's the best defensive player in this conference and certainly the best in the division. Certainly the best defensive tackle must division. So, are you? Who are you rounding out then? Your front four with. HOW ABOUT GERALD MCCOY? How `bout him how Gerald McCoy. Dallas sooners. Let's go I love that. Pick I have to say I. Think I I was a little weary about picking him because you know he hasn't. I mean here I am and I'm GonNa Admit, and I'm fine with that, but you look a guy. He's six time pro bowler. Three time first team pro. I mean he's he's just. We've talked about how excited the cowboys are in the cowboys should be getting a guy like that in the locker room and on the field and yeah, he hasn't been the NFC east, but I'm definitely ready to go ahead and give him the first year honors on our all time NFC east defensive squad already hundred percent. And while I do love the Gerald McCoy pick and I'm totally here for just to be a little bit of a contrarian I came up with. I. Hope I say. Driven Hargrave. Who is just going to be joining Philly this year from the steelers? A. Monster. I think this. This pick is probably the one that you could dispute the most because hargrave was right up there amongst players that I considered here another one I really like that I, think would take over. Gerald McCoy is Jonathan. Allen, mom and I know. They played him kind of at left defensive end. They have him listed the defensive tackle i. mean you understand what the positions that they play? They can kind of move him around. Inside and move him in against a guard. Into that a gap and so I, I think Jonathan Allen is another guy that you may be have their especially considering the S. fourteen sacks in the last two years, but I mean all three of those players are guys that you would consider, and that's I think where the position is murkiest along these these front four kind of pass rushers when you're talking about the best players in the NFC east. I certainly think you can make a case for Allen. And the redskins again have maybe the best defensive front in the NFC east. and then hargrave to another fantastic addition to that. Eagles Defensive Front I mean. Should we go McCoy go allen. Front four player you. Know. It's OK. Wouldn't be alone. So we should we go with here going home or going Jonathan Allen. Are we going with the new guide Hargrave? Bad option honestly I know. Cowboys to get him I think. Because it's the traditional interior linemen. I think I'm side with with Hargrave as well. I think we actually guys to to to their on that so the split your. All right. We've landed chase. Young, right Fletcher, Cox Hargrave and de law. That's our. That's our front four. Front for a nice front four right there. I don't hate it. I feel like Marinella is going to be sad if we actually were able to put together a team like that. Or would hate to see that. All right, so we should go next linebacker, yeah. All right so. Magwar thrown a linebacker. Oh. I guess right. Yes yeah. Guy. Listen this is how I know. My ow night didn't even have to talk to her before I knew the number one pick coming up. But yes, meg, you have the floor. Go ahead and gas him up gas up queen. High on him even with the the Stinger that kept him out of. Playing the last half of the season. He's just been a standout player since you walked on the field, so. That that's definitely my pick. Any can come in and. In my personal opinion, Give Sean Lee a run for his money in Aka his job. That, you know is significant, especially just because like he's the general and I look at a guy like l. v. e. even with the issues that he had last year. I have full faith. He'll be back on the field again. Disruptive is the word I love to use when picking the best defense of players obviously, and you can't not call him that he's just. He's a playmaker and he definitely makes my team. This is definitely not the strength of the. Of the NFC East I, mean I. Kind of looking through just even some of the guys that that could be on his list. It's hard to disagree on on LV considering. Had Down your last year now again. It's partly because he was out for a lot of the year, and also because even when he was playing, he was not healthy. With that stingers so. I mean Blake. Martinez signed a New York. I mean this guy that's been big time tackling machine over the course of his career. Guy Nigel Brad and other guy. You could probably put on his list Dongo. Had John Kasich But I would say if we're going with one of the CAL. I mean certainly the cowboys seemed to be the strength linebacker in this conference in this division and. It's the second time I've said conference and I would I would go with LV over jailed Smith. What do you think Roy? Yeah, I'm right there with you guys. I mean when you're crafting at team in this umbrella. You're assuming full health. You know if you're asking who I would want right as my linebacker from your ability standpoint. Laid Vander Edgewood. Give me questions, but when we're crafting. This type of team were kind of assuming full strength, and when he was at full strength. He was arguably the best linebacker in the entire league. Not just the NFC east so I don't think anybody should have any issue with saying late in Vander Ash Already get nervous because. Five positions in and the cowboys are already holding down two spots. Makes me nervous to gas up because I've been a part of the train that has done that so many times in the past and been so wrong about it. But at the same time. It feels great because everybody else seems to be agreeing with what we're saying. Especially if this position. Yeah I. Think I whole with this. Is that the defensive side of things I? Don't think anyone can come out and say that. The NFC East is just blowing. Anyone socks off on. Out of the ball, so I feel like I hate to add to remove. The rose rose, colored glasses and add a layer of perspective, but I think that is kind of what we're working with wood. We are picking the best players it's. It is kind of what it is, but yeah. I mean needless to say assuming full health and I am going to go ahead and assume full health because that's what I do, and that's what we as cowboys fans do. It is exciting already to be having some of these guys on the list and of like okay. Yeah, I think that they top the list and. LV. Is a guy that I wanna have around as long as we Shanley around, and hopefully you know hopefully horrible, but hopefully he's still containing place. WHO's the second linebacker that at the NFC? East take inside inside linebacker position as a Jalen Smith. Who Blake Martinez I think I'll go blake Martinez. Yeah I'm like Martinez to. Advise on those tackles in two thousand eighteen. Are Not. Pick Jalen, but yeah I'm with you. I feel like. We're being objective. It's Blake. He's always around the ball. Hey the giants are on the list. look at them go. Giants. Assuming, Roy you're you're onboard Lake Martinez Board. All right, so let's meander into the cornerback position. Byron, Jones no longer in corner and in the NFC east. So who's WHO's the best corner? WHO's number one off the board out of these three? That were to go with here in the NFC East it's just so depressing this list in. This is what's going to be way more fairly out there Darius, slay and like. The first name? I came up with as well a newcomer to to the division except for last year. He did shutdown Amari Cooper. So hope does. Not According to Amari though. Yeah but the three. The three catches for thirty eight yards tells a different story. Die. SLEIGH is probably the best corner in this division he is. and has been consistently good corner a guy that can put it on an island matchup against the best receiver of the opposition and more than anything. The Eagles have been laughing stock of the division and Laughingstock Football Corner. They've just been brutal at corner and they finally fortified with Darius slay. Area sleigh once again. That would be my selection. I mean I guess you could. Make considerations about rookie quarterback's, but it's hard to put those guys in the same conversation. Guys who? Just may be million dollars a year on free agency. I to Darius slay, but let me throw a couple of names out there as well just for the sake of a conversation just to fill a couple of spots in that nickel defense. James Bradberry. Kendall Fuller. would you even go as far as like? Would you put Tito in there at all, do we? Do we get the cowboys back there? I'm just trying around. I'm I'm really resounding. Math I'm trying to gas up my guys. Would we be feeling? Yeah, I mean if if digs had been the first round selection. He had been considered to be by a lot of experts who never would have thought CD lamb would be either seventeen. Would we be saying differently? I think he would be in the conversation for the top three. Now I love that. Especially what he did against the competition that he was up against. Granted plan with Alabama the best defensive players around him might have made him look better, but. He was up against some of the best competition. You can find in the entire country for several years while he was, there are chased. Yeah. Decay metcalf. Who Will See this season? In how about how about Kendall Fuller another addition to the conference at the division third time I'm more on. Sell because he was just with the chiefs right. Yes, he was. He went over with the Alex Smith Trade. He was a big time player. In the Super Bowl. And Yeah, so he was, he was with the redskins. Then went to the chiefs, and now he's back with the Redskins I believe. Homecoming there's no place like home. and He. He. Has To be on this list. especially I'm not against putting Trayvon digs list, but I'm kind of against it. I just I'm a little I feel like he's been a little bit overrated. Because everybody is about him. Ed, because I just he's very raw. He's only played corner for three years and they're expecting him to start. It's like. That's that scares me. That scares me a todd in a stunted off-season without much time. With, a guy that isn't experience playing the position and now like you don't even have like who's the WHO's the cowboys number? One corner right now is a cheeto. Very, troubling to be the whole cowboy. Is troubling to me and my God it's so troubling, and it's like people will say like a message board. You'll see this or like. Read it I'm I don't know why I'm always in the cowboys it but like. Like it was just like it was just the technique. They're being taught. You know it's like. What are they were being taught cheetos big hot, not intercept the football not to make plays in the ball. That's what he's being taught. You'd be taught that. That like people are giving you the benefit I hope he plays well. I just think he's underperformed and I'm worried about that. And then when you have issues at number one corner I think it's like a domino effect with everybody else. Yeah I think as we have all decided the cowboys secondary's scary and. Being losing buyer is a big hit I. Think they? A lot of people maybe didn't realize his value. Obviously, the cowboys decided to. Pay other players and I get it, it makes sense but yeah I struggle with selecting a guy with a star on his helmet for. The all, Star Team, but I do I really do I I again. Maybe I'm just giving him too much credit, but I do believe in digs. I think in despite the fact that. He doesn't have as much experience like I'm GonNa. Give him credit for playing on the other side of the ball. I think that that helps him with his knowledge. He thinks like a receiver, and so therefore he can defend like defendant receiver better in my personal opinion as well and I think he has some has some flexibility in what how he can come in initially make an impact with his team, and so yeah, I, I wouldn't completely count him out of the conversation of this NFC, east all star team again, still acknowledging the fact that yeah, the NFC east defense isn't the best, so probably wouldn't team elsewhere. But yeah, I I'll give him a a runner up in this role about the Andrea, Baker. Joke he's good, but he's probably not gonNA play football for a long time, appreciate you trying to shoehorn giant into the conversation so off. and. He's just GonNa play football for a log. It's going to be a couple of years. and well rounded. A bit for him with his heart I think then the three that we've settled on sleigh. We'll have we. Think. Yes definitely Grassley for sure. then. I think there's three guys for two spots so. I would select Kendall four to I believe. Someone else said they would take Kendall Fuller as yes. Yeah. So then we've got either. trayvon digs are James James Bradbury for the last corner spot. and Boy Trayvon digs just. Given him a leapfrog right over Trudeau and NFC Browde, aren't we? I think we got bradberry here, guys. I think that's why it's tough to to just give it to him. I WANNA. Give it to him optimistically. I think it's absolutely possible. But to say that now in July without having seen anything. To optimistic. You'd be going. You'd be leaning in so heavy to the upside is what makes us. Go with. The James Killer Aka James Bradberry. Buried so, we have. We have three guys at corner. That were not in the NFC east. Last year. Again reinforcing the narrative we've been all along. XACTLY! So sad the best the best corner in the NFC east last year, no to the best division boys. Yeah all right safety. Safety. Jamal Adams. Wishful thinking you get right down manifested Ari. Let's go. Let's go to all atoms I. Love the way you wrote. It I'm big. Elise, so I'm very on board with how this the direction of this conversation, so yeah, you're! According this at a Wednesday night, so this'll this'll be available Thursday by the time. This is available he'll be he'll be. He'll be what the cowboys for sure. He's already in town. Just starting your helmet buddy. was like listen. Here's the thing I. Know You're in Dallas like watch you go ahead. What is RJ are like? The Mercedes jeep immersed. Do ahead and take your Mercedes jeep up to Jerry world. Take a little tour. See which you like, and that sign that dotted line. You're it out is fine like we got it done. I think they also have to trade somebody for, but if they decide neither here nor there. Demand! Unimportant. We're not worried about that word twitter. GM's so that's just signed him. What is what the consensus is? You guys? Okay. Logic is out the door. Radio. The. Freezer stroke sixty. City there like waiting for us to stop the violence and I'm like. No mistake in Jamal Adams is in town. He will top the list for me. And that is even with a considerable candidate who's been in the division already, but is now switching to another side. That'd be leaning Collins Yard. Three three time pro bowler with the giants just signed with the Redskins and now that's like four redskins. I believe we've right. Unlike this trend or star kidding and that is at least painting a picture that tells me that defense is going to be a little dangerous to face this year. No that's true. We I mean we didn't go. We didn't go with Jonathan, but we could have, but but chase young. Blake, Martinez Kendall Fuller and. Station as part Martinez is not as in the giants, So it's. Collins, fuller chase young so three now, but you can make a case for carrying or for Jonathan Allen to be on that list. Collins is definitely the best safety in this division that is of course less Jamal Adams get sign of the cowboys, and then another rookie I think at least gets to potentially be in the conversation, Xavier mckinney. Linked to the Dallas Cowboys of, course? We. Take away the same thing from him that we took away from trayvon digs while he hasn't done it yet. So. I suppose there's something left to be proven there. But quite frankly. Outside of maybe ha, ha, Clinton dix. I. Don't think any other safety is really proven themselves to be that much better than the rest of the pack either. Rodney McLeod Right McLeod. Considerable real peppers, but I think I think the bar there is. Is Achievable and attainable by even a rookie talent. Yeah. This is brutal Djibril Peppers McLeod. Savior Woods. Rolling through I'm looking through rosters right now. I'm Mike, O. O.. Meaningful y'all. Don't go more than don't go more than one or two deep. After that it's a, it's a crapshoot. Still Cowboys I heard about safety. You know like maybe they've had. Said, Collins mckinney and Clinton Dix. No disrespect jalen Rodney McLeod. Been Good. but I think those three have been better. that. Meg. I'm here for it. All right so second corner or second safety is a hawk clinics. I mean ha ha! Clinton Dix beating out the new Alabama player in the NFC east. Xavier mckinney. Wow that was that was defense. We did the whole defense right there. That was fast. Faster now in summary. We've caught chase Yang Fletcher Cox Gerald McCoy De Law Blake Martinez, LV. Dare Slake Kendall Fuller James, bradberry, Landon Collins and Haha Clinton. Dix replace Hargrave Devan Hargrave with Gerald McCoy and I don't feel sorry. Did you say cake Lawrence? Yeah, I did. Sorry it's Hargrave not McCoy i. Just decided that her answers were right. I'm talking boys everyone. We're I trump everyone with all the time. It's not a democracy. I'm like Oh. That's great answer. Meg, but it's wrong. Let me. Tell you why you're incorrect. If one of you guys wrote it down then. Did you keep track of which team had the most players? Let's come represent law. Four. Fletcher Cox. Hargrave that's to the eagles lv to the cowboys. Blake Martinez makes one for the giants Darius slay makes three for the Eagles Kendall. Fuller makes too for the redskins James Bradbury. is on the giants. That's too for the giants leading calls on Washington. That's three eagles so the eagles. Eagles with three redskins with three cowboys with three giants with, too. Not to shabby. shoehorned Clinton Dixon there. We did not over homer that. Differ US I'm proud of us for that. Honestly I really am. That's a win. And I'm glad we got clean Dixon there. Because that otherwise we would have been with the giants with only two. That would have been. Bad have that. Party without Dixon Cox my friend. And a new drop is born. We for me. The best part is the world for sure. I'm glad that we've decided that. We're not being homers on the defensive side of the ball. I can't guarantee that when we talk offense. Though I'm just this theory abundantly clear I wanted to give us some swing and room. Yeah, because we're going in here when we go offense nece. Put out there all right, so let me let me conclude the defense with this. Who's the best player? In the NFC East on defense, Fletcher Cox. Lawrence Emmer de la say. Too. Yeah I think it's still fletcher. out give the edge Fletcher. I would too I have a feeling though when we do this next year. Chase Young, we'll be on the topless. I was Gonna say I was like. If you WANNA go upside like Batmans Monster I'm honestly. My family went to Ohio state, and so they are all excited about him. Being drafted and then I realized that he was playing for. The redskins immediately was upset. I'm not thrilled to be facing him. Here. Thank you to. The girls talk at boys bag buried Kelsey Charles for joining us in this crossover addition of broadcast. 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March 23rd, 2020 - NFL Free Agency Recap

The Big Story

18:02 min | 5 months ago

March 23rd, 2020 - NFL Free Agency Recap

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It's March twenty third here on the Bookstore Day. Podcast my name. Is Jim Holiday back from vacation? Thank you for. Everybody was checking on me over the week. I've come back healthy and stronger and more ready than ever to supply. You agree podcast. Every Single Day. Here on the franchise podcast network. Obviously that's going to be a little bit toss or at the at creative with some of the content. We're doing here. I'm thinking possibly a book club with myself in a guest may be a binge-watching club. Maybe a movie review club A lot of clubs because there's not a lot of a ball clubs football clubs or soccer clubs to talk about right now Geisha curious. You can't actually still bet on sports though which I found fascinating Ovada still has live odds on a handful of things going on if. I'm not mistaken. It's soccer in Ukraine. I could be wrong there but I'm pretty sure it's soccer in Ukraine. They you can still bet on as of right now so head over that way. Oh I'm so sorry also vet on jeopardy as well as east soccer and table tennis so were in desperate times but there was actually a ton of sports over this past week and as I mentioned obviously I was gone last week so I did not get a ton of chances to talk about this but NFL. Free Agency was in full swing And it was a lot more interesting than we probably ever could have anticipated me. Matt Burton did a preview on it on Wednesday. By that time. We already heard a handful names that we're going to be landing on certain teams but obviously the big one is. Tom Brady headed to the Tampa. Bay buccaneers I'm sure you've got in your fill. Tom Brady content up into this point. The number that has the thing about this is shocked. Me Guys is twenty five million dollars for two years. Twenty million dollars per over the course of two years. So fifty million dollars total little less than what? The reports were everything we saw was thirty. Plus and I'm not saying that five million dollars makes breaks the bank for Tom Brady. But this is clearly shows you again. Not a money thing. This had nothing to do with the dollar figure. Or How many? Zeros were at the end because twenty-five is probably about what he could have expected from New England so this was absolutely Tom Brady saying I want to get out of town. I deserve better than this and trying to make a statement for himself so I don't know how you read into that I mean Tom. Tampa Bay is a weird choice. Just because you know it's freaking Tampa Bay but neither here nor there is like I said. I'm sure you can get Tom Brady content all over the interwebs over the past few days. I'll just say him. Leaving does not shock me shock me. I predicted him to stay in New England. All My podcast remember. Actually think I said we don't need to talk about it because there's no chance he leaves but the fact that he did get less than people were it is big. That really does truly shocked me. okay so some of the bigger ticket items here. Byron Jones. The quarterback from the Dallas cowboys played safety slot play outside corner in his time. Byron Jones only at twenty seven years old was one of the biggest combined freaks in the past. Few years guys really really electric Just from a pure athleticism standpoint gets the second most amount of money totally guaranteed he got forty six million dollars guaranteed at signing. There's a couple of things Where he could get up to fifty five million dollars. Total guaranteed if he hits a couple of scheduled days if he doesn't get cut but basically no what he's giving you forty six billion dollars. It's only behind Tom. Brady a lot of quarterbacks signed over the course of these past few days. We saw some big names from every single position. Sign all over the place and names that we've seen In a lot of different uniform set were suddenly free agents but Byron Jones. Best cornerback on the market. I assume is kind of what you have to say And got paid like it and so I don't know how much of a difference maker he's going to be from for the Miami Dolphins. I do find the MINKA Fitzpatrick trade. I don't know if I was puzzling. But it doesn't not totally make sense for Miami now all of a sudden they're all in and trying to win a lot of games. They spent two hundred thirty five million dollars this summer and free agents so clearly there in a win now mode Minka. Fiztpatrick is a win now players. You traded him for first round pick which is value. Absolutely I'm not saying it's not but Just in hindsight that doesn't look like a good trade for the Miami Dolphins. They actually looks like a good trade for the. Pittsburgh steelers which people said the exact opposite at the time myself included. Teddy Bridgewater gets the third most amount of money guaranteed on signing thirty three million dollars but sixty three over three years. He's actually going to the Carolina Panthers at Twenty eight years old. This is an interesting Perry Joe Brady. Obviously the offense coordinator who was famous at the Lsu Tigers was formerly He's qb coach in New Orleans Bridgewater's whenever he was underneath. Sean Payton for the past two years. At first year Joe Brady was his Cuba. Costa some familiarity there expect the offense to be similar to what it was at the saints. Obviously Matt Rule. The head coach from Baylor makes us all interesting as well so taking into consideration. All of those things is seems like a home. Run Hire For Your quarterback position going for twenty eight years old so you know you got six years seven years and tape. Bridgewater shown that he can win on a consistent basis not highlight numbers not Numbers that are really going to jump off the page to you. But his win loss records been very very good and he's been stable all back to the Minnesota days so that looks like it's going to work but obviously throws a monkey wrench into things when it comes to Cam. Newton and there was some controversy about Cam. Newton last week The Panthers released a statement saying that they granted Cam Newton the option to go out and seek a trade. That's all well and good cam. Newton Amelie followed up and said Yeah I did not asked to be traded. You guys said I will bring in a new starting quarterback if you WANNA get traded. This is your chance so A little bit of a roughly the tail feathers there for the Carolina Panthers with their former franchise quarterback and Cam Newton where he ends up. Really really fascinating. Because there's not a ton of places where Cam Newton actually makes a ton of sense. Most places had their starting job also up so I was truly expecting Maybe we would see the New England and Cam Newton rumors emerging but. That isn't quite look like it's going to happen now. Some of the signings. It's happened with New England at the quarterback position. Brian Hoyer here recently. Apparently they really believe in Jarret Stidham so neither here nor there Looks Like Cam? Newton is going to be going elsewhere if I had two shots in the dark outside. Chance of Jacksonville. Maybe maybe maybe. The chargers It's really hard to predict where Cam Newton is going to end up Robert Quinn actually comes in at fourth. Which a year ago. If you were told me that I would tell you. There is no way he's going to sign a five year deal worth seventy million dollars But again when you look at these contracts for players don't look at the signing they'll look at the total dollar amount in the years. Look at the guaranteed money and generally. That's actually going to be true so this is really probably closer to a two year. Potentially a three year deal For Robert Quinn. But he still gets thirty million dollars guarantee the fourth most of any free agent. It's a big loss for Dallas. They're going to find a way to replace him out on the edge As they tried to address that need but he played very very well for For The Dallas Cowboys last year and got paid as such. I will say though skeptical. I think that might have been a one. Hit Wonder for Robert Quinn Jack Conklin right. Tackle heads to the Cleveland browns. So shout to Cleveland for finally getting somebody to block for Baker Mayfield. He was the highest paid offensive. Lineman James Bradberry Carolina standout at cornerback. Who played mostly zone coverage but really excel that press man coverage if you're a football nerd in that respect looks like he's going to be joining the New York giants which makes a lot more sense because that's a little bit more in the scheme of the giants. Us almost playing out position is the wrong term but having to play zone coverage as a man coverage corner can be difficult. I just like trying to make a pass first. Point Guard be score. I point guard doesn't always make it easy transition. So that seems to be a good match up Therefore James Bradberry what I will say is that his guaranteed money at signing. Who was twenty nine million dollars? There's a forty three million dollars guarantee so. This is likely to year deal with a third year team option. This will come as a little bit of a shock especially because this is my team that I follow every day. John hargrave defensive a tackle Pittsburgh steelers played nose into three four technique his entire career in the NFL. Basically that Kelly Greg Space eating run stuffer just trying to follow on top of people and take bodies out a twenty seven year old really really talented. I like him a whole lot as a player. He's GonNa Filthy Eagles whose I mean a four three team. That's ever four three two in the history of four three gym shorts at defensive coordinator there. I mean there's no way they're playing any three four at any point this year So he's GonNa be playing a defensive tackle next Fletcher Cox. He doesn't have great pressures His numbers are not good either. I don't know how he's going to fit in there. I don't know if he's just meant to be a run stopper next to Fletcher Cox. They're expecting some of that to translate into pass rush ability but it was. It was a puzzling puzzling selection Whenever I came but the Eagles classically always way way very much overvalued defensive tackle and that's led to a super bowl so I'm not going to judge it until I see it This one is a little bit more. Big splashy news. Philip rivers signs a one year deal with the Indianapolis Colts so crown them. I guess I mean I don't know to tell you. Indianapolis is really wanted the upper tier teams in the NFL. Great Offensive Line of really solid defense. I think their skill position guys are a little overstated sometimes but solid nonetheless and Marla mcentee Y. Hilton As well as Jack Doyle at tight end so a a fair team. Everyone is counting them to be a team. That goes from seventy nine to suddenly being an eleven five competing for a super bowl team. I I don't know if I totally see that. Philip Rivers thirty eight. I like I said I think some of the skill positions stuff for the Indianapolis Colts really was overblown this past year. I am not saying Marl. Mac isn't a superstar but I don't know that he is today T. Hilton is obviously struggled with a ton of injury issues over the course of time and then tell me the second receiver for that team. I think that their offense won't be as flawless as people are anticipating. Even though I'm as big of a frank right fan as you will find. I think some of the Indianapolis Colts Little Overblown Cory Littleton. The number one linebacker on the market heading into free agency out of the Los Angeles Rams one of those rare linebackers that can play on three downs playing coverage rush. The passer could do a little bit of everything so really really big stuff. There for Cory Littleton when he signed with the Las Vegas Raiders. The raiders are very very active in the free agency period. They spent the six most money to almost one hundred million dollars So Cory Littleton. Guy Will make a difference. He's twenty six years old young linebacker but it's probably too much to spend for linebacker. Well in the most puzzling move and I I mean outside of anything. The giants did because I have no idea what the giants are doing. But in one of the more puzzling moves by far the Jacksonville Jaguars trade-weighted Nick foles They look to be basically having a yard sale of all of their good players. And don't really look like they're in a win now mode by any stretch of the imagination and they're suddenly building around Gardner minhsiu fine. They signed Jo Schubert. Sure find inside linebacker from Cleveland To a five year fifty. Four million dollar deal. I don't even know where to start with that. I don't even know where to explain that that makes no sense to me on what in the world is exactly happing with Joe Sherman Shelbert signing with Jacksonville. Like I said Jacksonville tanking but signing the sixth highest paid linebacker in the history of football simultaneously. Keep you guessing Shack Lawson signs with the Miami. Dolphins Pass rusher again. Miami spent the most money in free agency. The lions actually spent the second most money the Cleveland Browns Smith the third the saints the fourth which I say that one's a little bit of a shock the bengals. The fit the raiders. Sixth if you're worrying about where the Dallas cowboys fault don't because they spent absolutely no money. They spent the twenty first most money and free agency at forty and a half. The Eagles spent the twenty second at thirty nine. So keep you guessing there other big names who changed teams Melva. Gordon goes from the CHARGERS TO DENVER. If you're out there really really expecting for a running back to make a huge massive difference for NFL team. I don't know what you've been watching here recently when it comes to Stuff Austin. Hooper becomes the highest paid tied in in history. This obviously makes a big difference for not only George kiddle who is going to be signing a contract extension if this season next as well Zach Earth's who wants a new contract in Philadelphia Vic Beasley is a household name but really struggled last year in his value just plummeted a one year nine and a half million dollar Tennessee. I like to sign up for Tennessee because that is a that is a high upswing Signing their Jimmy Graham signed a two year six million dollar contract in Chicago because what the hell does Chicago know about anything The Dallas Cowboys signed Gerald McCoy to a three eighty million dollar deal. Only seven million dollars. This is guaranteed. I really think this is a one year deal with two years of team options on the backside. So we'll see if Jeremy McCoy's longtime member of the Dallas cowboys but at least for now He will be a member of the Dallas cowboys for at least one season Jason Witten. Who's been with Dallas cowboys for a long time? There was on Monday night. Football and back with the Dallas cowboys is officially leaving the heartland. He's going to the Las Vegas Raiders. A one year four million dollar deal little bit shocking but obviously this was coming on the heels of Dallas locking up their long-term Titan option former Oklahoma state cowboy for the next few years. So there you go. There's a rapid recap of everything that happened. Nfl Free Agency over last week with a little bit of numbers and hopefully little bit of breakdown for you. I didn't want to go into too much. But hopefully that is enough. Thank you so much for listening. This is Chisholm Holland from the big story today. Podcast follow me on twitter at Chisholm Holland. We really do appreciate your time as always leave us a review on itunes man that a super helpful or spotify or wherever. You're listening to this podcast. It really does make a huge difference for us to know that you guys are out there and you're enjoying the content. Just want to give it another shot to new balance and Edmund at fourteen ninety two South Brian Avenue at an Oklahoma as well as Lucky Star Casino for everything they do and supporting us allowing us to give you this free contents officially support people who support the big story of the day. We are part of the franchise podcast network. 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The Chris and Joe Show: The Giants Cornerback Situation

Big Blue View

28:20 min | 3 weeks ago

The Chris and Joe Show: The Giants Cornerback Situation

"Podcast listeners, we are amazing avenue, the espy nation New York site I'm Chris, McShane, and every week Brian Salvator and I discussed the current state of the mets Automated Avenue audio the show we try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view, and not get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails. Give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on Apple podcasts on stitcher on spotify wherever you get your podcasts and let's go mets. Listening to the Chris and Joe Show on a few radio. Your go-to source for New York, giants analysis. Talk. His. Story. Joe Show. I'm Joe. Delia joined by personal as always we are, as I said the Chris Joe Show presentative by big blue, and s the nation. We are the analysis team here for SP nations, giants blog, breaking things down looking at the film billing you in not on the hard news, but rather roster situations, players depth sure all of that amazing stuff, and because we're in the offseason right now we have done multiple a a significant amount of position group previews heading into the season, talking about where guys will land, who will be starting? WHO WILL BE CUT? Who'll be on the practice squad taking our best guess while? While, also, analyzing the more important figures in each position group. If you've missed out on any of the previous shows, and you're curious to hear what we thought about those make sure you go back and listen to them because there is a lot of very important, interesting information with those today's episode is going to be the cornerbacks. We decided to move this show up because of the current relevance dealing with giants coach back the Andre Baker he is expected or was expected to be the giants second corner. Opposite of James Bradbury for the start of the season that was after De'andre Baker was arrested and involved in an ongoing. Court case we don't want to get too deep in the details of what's going on with that investigation. We don't know what will be the result of it, but the allegations against him are fairly serious. To the extent that we could see that De'andre Baker will not be on the roster at the start of the season, or also for the future with the new. York giants so I don't want to talk. Too much about those details, because as we always say, we're not the the news source here for the PODCASTS. We are the analysis, so we go take the look of rather. How does losing the Andre Baker which seems to be a strong likelihood with the latest news of implications surrounding the court case once they lose Baker. Does the rest of this corner group look and who could possibly be that second guy in? It is very clear. Cut To say at this point Chris that. Baker is going to be cut based on what the allegations are in his court case. Well obviously. We do kind of have to let the legal process. Play out, you know we. We don't know what actually happened. We don't know all of the details of the case of all the things that the investigation has uncovered. But. At least what we have learned from the police. The Daily News was able to get a hold of a warrant. Exposed some of the messages that went back and forth some see video. It doesn't look good and I think it at least for our purposes right now. It's probably just to just best to go forward in. A put Baker off to the side. And more or less assume he won't be there. If, he winds up being winds up being exonerated. This case takes another crazy turn because it's twenty twenty. Why not? That's great. But at least for right now, which would probably? Take a look at the rest of the options and. More or less plan for the worst. The easier thing like you said in this specific situation is to assume that Baker will not be returning I. It's not like it was like what happened with Kyle where he got in trouble for evading police for speeding, and that which would which was incredibly stupid, but he was not going to be in this much of a legal situation over that, so we're. We're not going to get caught up. In the details with this we're just GONNA assume that Baker is not going to be on the roster. We're going to keep monitoring the situation. And if Baker somehow manages to find a way out of this, he will probably still be a New York giant, but as of right now based on what how things look the Andrea Baker will probably not be with the team for twenty twenty. Twenty meaning we should probably shift our focus now to the important guys in this cornerback group. The first player that is of the utmost importance is James. bradberry free agent corner who they paid a relatively big some to be their number one corner. They got him from Carolina. Has that relationship in connection to Dave gettleman the deal with James Bradbury the way that I look at it. Is Ed Bradberry is the perfect guy that the giants needed to cover number one receivers top receivers on teams, ex receivers. He's the guy that they needed to handle those matchups. This corner group is very very young. Guys that are other rookies, second-year players or third year players. That's very very young. Now add a veteran to the mix that played in a conference that caused him to to match up with Julio Jones, Mike Evans and Michael Thomas twice a season. He was very very busy in his past few years with Carolina because of those specific matchups. So you're getting a veteran guy, you're getting a guy that has dealt with some serious alpha talent at the receiver position, so he knows exactly what is going to be coming for him and what? He's going to have to be facing against impossibly weaker receiving groups. With some of the teams on the giant schedule, I can't say that James Bradbury would be a huge upgrade over Janoris Jenkins, but he should be solid upgrade yet. He's a little bit younger. He's a little bit more athletic he's. Bigger and longer he. Isn't the same kind of Freak Athlete quarterback that we have seen. Come Out of college in recent years going back like Patrick Peterson or even prince amukamara. But primary does a lot of things well. He's a very smart corner. He's got high football IQ. He is above average athlete, if not an elite athlete. He is he's a reliable tackler. If not a punishing Tackler, he does a lot of different things well, so he can be reliable man coverage. He can be reliable in zone coverage, and hopefully he can help with the communication problems that really plagued giant secondary last year, would stood out to me for bradberry and watching what he was able to do. As a top corner facing these really good receivers is I see a guy that has the length being six foot one with long arms to play pressman pressman against a bunch of taller receivers. Receivers he is I believe right now at least close to being the tallest corner in this giants coach group, which is a huge positive. If you have to go against these six three six four guys, you need guys that are over six one with long arms and strong press skills, if they are in tight face up situations with these receivers, but also when I watched him when he was off coverage, and he was not pressed up on these guys. He has very good range. He's got good burst to close out and prevent any short. Routes to pick up significant yardage. He can lock that thing down within three to four yards and I I watched him do that against Julio and Michael, Thomas. It's not like I watching him do it against some backup receiver or someone who was just thrown out there for a play. He does it against very good players and very elite athlete, so it's just a testament of what Bradbury's capable of. Making things very promising for the giants corner situation. That was a huge negative for them last year Chris. The big question now. Obviously with de'andre. Baker not being in the equation which we're assuming. We now need to decide. And conjure up who could be the number two receiver who can be the guy playing opposite of James? Bradbury on the outside. We've got two guys with slightly varying skill sets not really conventional paths to becoming a number two corner that being Corey Balentine and Sam Bill. Corey Ballantyne situation. Is a very very odd one. Last season. He got the most amount of reps besides Baker out of any rookie corner. And he didn't do all that well, but I think it's. It's easy to give Ballantyne a hard time for struggling last season without recognizing the things that he was dealing with the adversity that he handled. Very well in the very beginning of the off season, and in the preseason, and then being able to come in and play also injuries that he was dealing with I. Believe you also had a concussion at one point that stuff's not easy to deal with not to mention the fact that he was a late round pick from a small division school, making an incredible jump to facing off against some really good receivers. I'm not out on Corey Ballantyne. Yet I don't think we were just I. Think we were not able to actually see what Ballantine was fully capable of. Now and I thinking back. Ballantyne and Baker had honestly pretty similar rookie seasons, and while you don't want to see that kind of season from a first round draft pick a guy. You traded back into the first round select getting that from a six round cornerback from a small school like that. That I. I think Balentine season was fine. Yes, he struggled in coverage, a lot of rookie struggle in coverage, even if he continues to struggle and doesn't become a starting corner or even an important backup like a a nickel guy. Even if all, he ever is just a return man that is honestly fine for me. Coming out of the six round coming out of a small school like that I am not ruling out that he could maybe become an important contributor on the defense. He's got good size. He's got good athleticism. He obviously has. Plenty of Grit blase for lack of a better term may be competitive toughness to. Fight through the adversity that he did to show up and play in work despite the jump he had to make. So. I'm not going to. I'm not I'm definitely not going to count him out for this year or going forward, but I think I would probably count on Sam Bill to be the likely number two corner at least to start the year. Yeah, even though I am still waiting on not waiting, but hoping for improvements from Corey, balancing because of what he was dealing with a season where there won't be as many. Significant adverse issues to face I still sit with what you're saying. That Sam bill is going to be the second corner opposite of James Bradberry. I'm higher on and I think a lot of people are I. Think a lot of people. Are Out on him because they think he is injury prone, and he hasn't been able to get on the field very much, and that's not wrong. He's only played six games and only started three last year, but was he actually fully healthy when he was on the field, was he fully recovered and at the full healthy level of play for Sam Bill. Besides that though I think that he has what you need in an opposite outside corner, he's also tall bradberry. He's also six one. He also has long arms. I think a lot of that. Gives him the biggest heads up advantage for being that second corner. Yeah, he. He does have a lot of physical tools. You want to see from a from a outside boundary corner. He's got the length like you say. He's got really good feet and hips. I don't know that he was entirely healthy. I don't know that we got to see the real deal. To, make terrible, Pun. But why not? But I think we do kind of have to see him. Stay healthy that I think might be the biggest thing for him. You know like you said he only played six games last year. He's only played six games sent being selected in the supplemental draft, who basically placed on injured reserve at almost as soon as the giants took him. So we. I don't know just how much of bill we have seen. If we have seen the kind of player he is. If we've seen the kind of player, he could be but I also I think he is going to get the first crack at that number two cornerback job. But I think. Ballantyne could be kind of right on his heels if we don't see. That step forward that growth from bill to be the kind of player. We thought he could be in the supplemental draft. He was really a high potential guy based on why the giants were willing to invest that draft. Pick in the supplemental draft to go get him now. We haven't been able to see him fully on the field, and in a true role as corner, because of some of those injuries, not being entirely healthy dealing with a completely missed rookie season, especially a the one thing I kind of took away from beal, and I'm kind of curious to hear your thoughts on this, Chris. Is I noticed some of his best place. If not a significant amount of his best plays came against the run defending the Ron especially that safety, he he. He racked up against the Miami Dolphins. That play. It almost makes me wonder if things don't work out at corner and he's still struggling a little bit. Should they consider moving him to safety? Because he's got the size, he's got the tackling ability. He's got the ability to defend the run that it might be in the giants best interest to try amount at safety. Yeah. I think that's a move. Coaches should consider a lot more often with corners. Where maybe you have a veteran corner who you WANNA. Keep on the roster, but he can't quite cut it. Safety maybe a younger guy who for whatever reason isn't quite picking up the coverage aspect. Triumphed Safety I. I do think coaches should try. Try to find. Someplace where a player can contribute rather than just saying well. The first thing we try didn't work, so you're gone. It would be interesting if bill was really more of a safety than a corner. One of the guys. We're GONNA. Be Talking about next grant Haley I kind of had that feeling about him as well. It almost seems to be kind of a common theme among the cornerbacks. The giants have added recently they. Have already transitioned Julian love from cornerback to safety. So. This could be a team that runs a lot of multiple safety packages just because of the players they have, and if you've tuned into this show enough times, we've talked about how Patrick. Graham will be creative in the employment of a number of the personnel players on this roster, so I would not be shocked if they tried to use. Some of these corners in varying roles play around with it, see to see ways to play up to the strengths of some of these players, speaking about niche roles grant Haley and Darnay. darnay homes seemed to be the two competitors for the slot corner of the nickel corner. Both of them could end up playing in the slot based on various defensive back heavy packages. If you come out and diamond, you need a second corner, and you want someone else to cover a slot receiver based on how many guys are coming out there for the offense? Both of them could be on the field. Now. Grant Haley as the returning slack I, he is now on his third year in the League. He's done. Okay A. Nothing to really get to high up on but Darna. Homes is an interesting player in the equation now because he's been given some pretty high praise from the on Sanders who thinks he could be a significant diamond in the rough for this giants defense in general, though as we've talked about. Home he's not the biggest corner. He plays very well against smaller receivers, and he could do very very well in the slot based on what we saw. He was capable of doing at Ucla Yeah. I would definitely look at him as being in the equation for the slot role. I think grant Haley will probably get the the the first chance to be a starting slot corner, but I think that will be much more of an open competition, then perhaps the number two outside cornerback job. Especially since Haley is, he is from a previous. Coaching staff whereas during homes he is, he was selected by. This coaching staffer at least this coaching staff kind of signed off on him. You know. He has a reputation as a very smart player. I. Don't know what is movement. Skills are like I didn't like what I saw on tape from last year, but he was also dealing with an ankle injury early in the season and. That will obviously having effective will. have an impact. I think that will be a very interesting competition to watch this summer. Because Nicole is the base package for the NFL at really football in general anymore, so whichever one of those guys winds up winning that job is basically a starting job. Certainly would, it would essentially be who is the third corner on the roster and again whoever ends up getting picked as that starting slot nickel corner. Could very well be in a rotation with the other guy, so we could end up seeing. Both faces in multiple games this season now as far as the backups, there are a lot of them. There are a good handful of players at the giants acquired in agency late in the draft, and as well as undrafted free agents that list stands with Monterrey hard edge who came over from the Dolphins Patrick Graham connection there because Graham was the defensive coordinator obviously last year with the dolphins, Chris Williamson who we outlined and detailed in an earlier episode a few months ago. He was the seventh rounder out of Minnesota. Alamar and undrafted free agent of central methodist, which is a subdivision one. Program and then Christian Angulo in undrafted free agent from Hampton. We're going to talk about a little bit on. The chances for these guys to actually make the roster. But Chris had pick one of these guys. which it has to be prefaced with saying. If you look at how rosters typically structured you keep. Eight to ten defensive backs meaning. You're probably going to keep five to six corners. Sixty absolute Max already headline five guys that are makes the most sense to to stick around on this roster so if there happened to be a sixth player. That might actually get in even if it's just special teams. Who would you have to pick? I would guess either. Hostage or Williamson parted because his connection with Patrick Graham Williamson because he was just drafted. I. Think either one of them fills in well as a special teams player I who might be able to come onto the field like a nickel player. The! There's also rashawn golden who? I'm not sure if he's going to. Count either safety or corner. For the purposes of this series, we're kind of counting counting him as a cornerback art. Sorry as a safety. And? We'll be getting to him in a later show. But I think just of this list. Probably hostage or Williamson are probably my two most likely to stick on the main roster. I'M NOT GONNA. Disagree with you on that one hard. Has that connection with Patrick Graham grand probably had at least some say in that signing to bring him to this giants roster and Williamson being draft pick. Gives them a little bit of an edge over these undrafted free agent guys to be maybe a special teamer. I don't really see either of them. Getting onto the field, considering all of the guys that the giants have all five of those guys that we talked about that are going to be seeing the field in one way or another, it's going to be an uphill battle for all for these guys to either make the roster or even get onto the field. We are going to wrap up with what we typically do. which is talking about who is GonNa? Get sent home and who will be on the practice squad before we hit on that? We're GONNA. Take a really short commercial break. Chris I'M GONNA. Keep this really simple. If I were to pick who is going to get cut and sent home. After. Final wave of Training camp. I would probably cut off for these guys edge Williamson, elmore and Angulo. There's just too many players ahead of them, too many established players ahead of them that have seen snaps, either with the giants are either veteran lake, bradberry, or have something significant invested in them I. Don I would be shocked if any of those five guys? We talked about in the beginning. Get cut these four. Make the most sense. It's very unlikely that the giants will keep a six corner. Yeah I would agree with that especially because Julian, love could also fill in that cornerback role Particularly, SLOT CORNER, but! In College at Notre Dame, he was an outside cornerback and he wasn't a bad one. You Know He. made the transition to safety because there was an opening there and. It could fit his skillset, but he does have coverage chops. He can't play corner as well so if we see maybe ten defensive backs total. I think maybe seeing like. Those five corners, and then maybe another five safeties or safety corner hybrid players. and. I think a lot of these young guys hearted Williamson. L. Morning, Gould they might just. They might just get caught up in the numbers game. The numbers game is the best way to describe this because. They're likely going to keep more. Corner or more safety than corners based on the guys that they have, and you'll hear US talk about them. In our next few shows, the SAFETIES. It's a talented group. There's a lot of invested in them significantly less invested in these four guys. Best they all get cut and if we had to predict practice squad, Williamson is a very strong candidate to make the practice squad because he was drafted. If there happened to be another player possibly in Golo because of the athletic upside, he brings to the table besides that though I don't really see any of these other guys being in the equation. It's probably going to be just Williamson. Guy I would agree with that like said a williamson because of his. Ability to be a potential nickel player, maybe down the line or special teams guy, and then eulogised because he has man coverage traits, and he has that height weight speed. Combination that. Coaches just want to be able to work with so I could see the giants, keeping both of them may for slightly different reasons you know. They might look at him as a guy maybe to invest in, maybe he. Becomes something down the line? But if we had to limit it to just one, I'd probably go with Williamson all right that is going to be it for this cornerback preview. We have two more positional previews coming up for the. 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It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any Ninja Warrior Fan who these look good I'm making dinner as I usually you're the of it but I definitely would prefer not to play more than one game at nine thirty in the morning sorry Brad you're overruled well it hello welcome to the keep sounding podcasts yeah so we're going to go through a little brief recap of the game get get the guys thoughts on it little bit early you watch the game and it's fucking over at noon or one o'clock it's over and the rest of your day is wide open and you know I guess when you get older and wiser you'll see what I mean older and that Circadian Rhythm starts just creeping up earlier and earlier in the day Bye Week version of the keep sounding podcast this is Brian joined as always by John Brad Brad how're you doing on this finey hot dogs and what their status is more than I disagree with you nine thirty is a best time to watch and cover an NFL gang you get up Dan cover it I could not disagree with you anymore like I I don't even disagree with you about I see so the panthers what was that nothing just going okay that'll be good for you on this particular equation we are joined by Our Fellow Writer Eric Summers Aka we've got an Air I got us an air fire greatest thing ever yeah I'm great how are you I'm wonderful John Power you wonderful I know you're frying nep some stuff's So the panthers played football game on Sunday in London at nine thirty in the morning which by the way fuck that I'm tired I do not want to get up at nine thirty in the morning to watch football game on season he threw five picks the panthers defense forced total of seven turnovers They won thirty seven twenty six surprisingly even though McCaffrey did score two touchdowns wasn't going for over two hundred yards of scrimmage like he has been recently or around two hundred yards of scrimmage he only had three all wonderful I am wonderful Brian that's what we like to see if you're not wonderful you're not on the podcast so that's how yeah I like to sleep on Sundays that's my Hobo Day yeah like it's kind of fun for like a novel every game in the NFL start at nine thirty am every lick it would if you if you lived out West so just about that her for a special Kyle edition of your keep sounding podcasts we'll get into lake cater Eric. How're you doing this evening well since we're mm-hmm so the pants obviously one and Jameis Winston turned in what was probably what I would call the most James Winston performance of the entire the game seemed to be more about the other aspects of the team and the the other aspects of team did succeed one yards rushing on twenty two attempts which average to one point four yards per carry he did have four catches for seventy yards of pretty good but overall the in two thousand seven yards and two touchdowns averaging seven point one yards per throw a he had two sacks fifty two point nine percent quarterback rating sixteen? I don't want to move out last though twos hanging on this because as a person without offspring I agree with John and Brian I guess like just to briefly break down the offense pile Allen had twenty of thirty two passes Twenty completions of thirty two attempts for her so it wasn't a great game by Kyle but in the end they still won and the offense had some moments you would like to Jospin touchdown see more when you turn the ball over when you four seven turnovers but they still scored thirty seven points so I'll start with John Because John now you wrote about performance on Sundays being severely overrated by how many points they scored because other than that they weren't really that great how the panthers offense has been performing over the last few weeks so get your take on Sunday and as far as the offense goes I think the offense is numbers I don't have them in front of me but it was like other than there's like two long touchdown drives and the rest of the panther scoring drive started like in buccaneers territory break to started in field goal range in game two zero yards or something like that one of the net one yet one play courtesy it was actually a Curtis Samuel Rush Okay so is the run either way like three of the seven would you like me to elaborate since you go ahead he do all the elaborating you want so I can't remember touchdown drives was so sorry about that Keith was mad one scoring drives were basically the ball move less than ten yards so it's not really saying much for the offense and on on top of that the ah you'd expect a better scoring output from the offense when they get that many opportunities in the opponent territory Brad do you have any thoughts it's always the other one yet so one of the touchdown drives one play one pass and with a bad pass you think I think it was a Curtis Samuel Pass was the one that was only one was only one play might have been the run it was last time six are yeah plus six turnover margin they won't buy at least twenty one points it's you'd like to share as far as the offense goes we do what we talked about now or not not yet no for a up the field you can't not score touchdowns you can't you can't settle for field goals in those scenarios it wasn't good it's being overrated there are reasons for that we'll get into that later But I I aw I was like why are you going to me we have Eric I mean John Pretty Much said what needs to be said the offense was okay it wasn't great we should have scored more than thirty seven points I think we should have at least had fifty if not more than that when you force that many turnovers and you start drives that that's not how you play winning football we were just lucky that Jameis Winston was awful yeah he was not good mhm scrimmage with an interception by James Bradberry three for fifteen on third down to no no a lot of people we were three for fifteen on third down and I've seen this comment on see a couple of times throughout the week that Jerry Ass- right dropped three first downs from Kyle Allen and he did that that's absolute play which for context averaging four point three yards per play for the course of the season is roughly the worst in the League somewhere between twenty six and thirty second drop the ball so much good God Cam Newton had to deal with way more dropped passes and Kyle Allen has ever had to go is in his entire gene and we would have been twelve fifteen if not for jurors right forgetting how to catch I mean we were still bad we also averaged four point four point three yards like true but six for fifteen on third down his bad to also not like we were you know we were nine for fifteen did you think of the offensive line I mean I know obviously Greg Little was out trade turn it was out so we still have that that makeshift offensive line we saw the five picks is certainly bad and he started the game off his first throw was a pig so yes I play for so yeah yeah on a per play basis as bad for those people who likes to say we'll get into this more later if those people that would like to say I saw a lot of things that should make us very happy as far as Carolina Panthers fans are concerned it's been a long time where we haven't feel fifty nine yards but the seem kind of like a game where the buccaneers were basically selling out making kyle and make the place to score last week what did what did you see what did you what did you interpret from the panthers performance on Sunday for the offensive line goes well art field at our full starting offensive line but still been able to protect the quarterback and the fact that right now both of the guys that we drafted in this year's because I wanted to hear what you have to say about the offensive line in regards to the offensive performance because I know the Russian game wasn't great they only they only rushed for total here between Ted ginn January and Devin funchess the lack of ability to convert on third down is absolutely astounding usually we would try to throw it on one of them on Graf looked like they could potentially be answers at left tackle that's astounding the the odds on that are absolutely insane from the NFL nine or something crazy like he was yeah and you know there are a lot of people that were saying well it was it was a failure to make an early season adjustment opposing offensive coordinator's but that means he at minimum if you're able to beat a NFL level tackle one on one to the tune of getting rebounder like okay fine canvas fourth outreach the baller the live Yup Eric did the reason why I held you on for last all talent perspective daily did a great job matched up on Shaquille Barrett who granted he was leading the league in sacks coming in I wanNA say the Kyle Allen Thursday better ball and Cam Newton does and they'll talk but they'll trumpet all the losses of the the unconverted third downs because Jerry else you're still a good player in the fact that daily or a combination of daily man hurts I held him just one tackle on the day and and no pressure is really at all pretty impressive and I would say a lot of people say well we using Manhertz in conjunction with daily you want to say I lied Chris Manhertz did play that was my fault but anyway tenue yes because I believe at the beginning of that game they did put manhertz over there to give daily some help because it was his first start and they were still doing that in this game but the reality is I would say less than fifty percent of the time the daily have any titan help on the left side he was matching up either one on honor in Tandem Greg Van Rotten on Shaquille Barrett and they shut him down I mean we did have some help but it wasn't every single time and I would say when you put that at the individual stats of the players who play against the left tackle and say that guy wasn't as wasn't as productive against not Daryl Williams people were still getting sack so I would say that both Greg little and Dennis daily have shown in some women in action so far they have the potential together along with what we saw the Jaguars game this kid this kid is for real because there are plenty of times where we were putting Titan over there when Williams was the tackle US games so I would really really hope that if nothing else the win loss record Kyle Allen accepted might tell the the because he faced collapse Campbell and unique in Gakugei against the Jaguars and I think you only surrendered one sack devastated Williams surrendered three sacks against the same defensive front left tackle so yeah I agree like they should be able to look at that and objective different configurations out there knows that over the past couple of weeks we have been astoundingly better than we were in the first two games of the season and guess what we want so other than the left tackle situation at others just what everybody wants to hear I their lands continue to drought right guard I ah he seems to be more comfortable on the right side but the moment trae turner comes back that's his spot so we're not gonNA keep their lives right guard when trays writing that means Daryl Williams Zita playing Garner taking a seat and I would in this case that he is probably taking a seat I think we all know what's going to happen guard as as a lot of us were saying before the season is probably his ideal spot I don't know if it would truly make a difference if he was at right guard or left guard get we may we may make sure that trey is one hundred percent and give them some time but as soon as trade's ready he's going to be back and I would imagine around hope coaching staff that hey maybe it's a good idea knots put their oil has left tackle you know it's it's actually on top of what you're saying you can just look flee say daily is a better player to put it left tackle I don't think left tackle is really as much a falls much of a victim too small samples lionheart sit and play I was in that manhertz now would have been Ian Thomas Bagels in okay all right in that case I don't know why why have people been saying the this past week obviously Shaq Barrett didn't have a single sack granted it's a small sample size but nine sacks because Vietnam sacks guy knows how many actual pressures you probably got didn't result in a sack for you that might have resulted in one for somebody it'll be that answer left tackle in the fact that we could have gotten them both in the same draft and neither for a first round pick if I'm marty honey I'm writing that he's GonNa play left tackle left trae Turner's comes back yet I desperately hope not I mean if that's the case then we're sizes other skill positions because you can either block or you can't yeah that's trimming you know and I get it after the first game but he's played what three games now guard they may put greg little left tackle Dennis daylight left guard and at any rate you know those two guys both being there on the left side is is great smelly blind to what has been happening because every single every single hallowed the tracks this kind of data amoebae of attract the amount of pressures that result when and like Eric said Mardi Harney's should that should be the first thing he says anytime he interviews for any job in an NFL office for the rest of his life. It's an this is the second I think that was the second okay but you know I mean I I just don't think that it's a and this is coming from someone who thought he should play guard he has proven me wrong and I'm I'm glad that he has and he may still end up being the last ah good problem to have I mean we have not in this deep on the offensive line ever especially not in Cam Newton Center and probably not very very lucky if you have one backup swing tackle that you're like oh we trust him in a pinch most most of your backup swing tackles these are the types of things that set up teams for large playoff runs in super bowl victories and I tell you what if healthy can back before that I can't remember the last time that I felt good about both starting tackle spots in their backups. I honestly can't remember the last time it happened on our you seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP I agree Eric and in size forty eight font at the top of every resume has submit for the rest of my life because I don't know what the odds of that are very very very well super bowl when you end up with a bunch of talented guys who come into their own early in the rookie deals and some of them are on exceptionally chief mid to late round contracts look at all the action of the show and more with your favorite competitors listening subscribe wherever you get your podcasts Hey I'm Spencer Hall I'm Holly College Football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly there's no tape on and black with quarterback or a wide receiver or you know whatever I think it's just a matter of he's better than their Williams reason you ended up with something like we have right now you've got guys on Worke contracts and these are the types of things that we may happen they set up teams to win I actually saw it happen people just assumed that we're giving a double team from not trying to interrupt you but I think they got that from the Jaguars game but the most NFL teams don't have that luxury I don't think any team has more than like especially at just a tackle specifically more than like two tackles they feel comfortable with your go back the next time he plays watch out NFL we are capable of beating anyone check out the American Ninja Warrior podcast for a behind the scenes. It's something we will touch on a little bit but to segue which this is a great segue into the defense because was like Marshall Newhouse and Chris Clark like that's your average NFL backup tackle yeah and we've seen what they can and can't do or had to sit out this week but the defense really should up on Sunday and they have a lot of guys who are rookie contracts or very cheap ones at that Jason I'm Ryan Nanny I'm Jason Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown full cast your of injures of college football podcast says in the script onto riff on what that means in Butler had two straight strip sax on Sunday and he happens to still be on a rookie deal They also still have Brian Burns who is on in his first year of his rookie deal they still have marquees hanes who's making a solid contribution at least rotational guy on the defense Christian Eric I will start with you on this because you're definitely the expert on the trenches so what has been the helm it's been it's Kinda crazy to me how quickly they turned around the pass rush at went from being really so looking at the defense they forced seven turnovers they sacked Jameis Winston a lot they did a lot of great things they really carried the bad last year where they had the blitzing almost every play to this year where they are one of the top teams at hitting and sacking the quarterback yeah it seems very very rare for any team to say I don't think that's a panthers centric if rarity kindness is awesome defensive effort well I would say we finally are starting to see the payoff of a bunch of guys that have speed this panthers team honestly throughout this foreign stretch like this this defense has done so well helping the panthers offense with Kyle Manhertz all right well I guess it's you know sometimes on C. S. are people just make assumptions anyway so that's shows you how often can't escape moving forward the reason for that is when you got guys like Brian Burns Christian Miller Mario Addison all the speed coming off the during the quarterback and when I say that he's essentially he's not going to be as fast as a quarterback but it's his job shuffle up and down the Line of scrimmage and make sure that corvette edge as long as you can force the quarterback laterally or backward chances are those guys can catch him and bring him down or force a back pass or force a turnover it was three yeah that was a revenge game for sure seeking revenge games thank and work together so one of the guys who's not getting as much credit I mean people are talking about him anecdotally as having a better season than last year but the people so it's just a Lotta guys surprised me with their ability right now I think he's only one year older than came on short I figure that's the reason we're doing so well is a combination of our inside tackles in the fact that we're doing without k. one short is pretty darn admirable catalysts here on the biggest difference makers Brian Burns he is an exceptional talent he is way too fast playing position he is the size he is and we're getting great play out of both on co Vernon Butler anti love it's pretty darn impressive it really is and But I think the real the best thing about this about this front seven by the panthers going into the season with this four hundred run right now what what has been the driving force behind John Air I swear to God we could do this at like two am and John was still making dinner don sorry has done a great job hoeing point of attack and what he's done really really well whenever there is a drawback for pass he's done an excellent job motor never stops his made so many effort plays this year I don't think I've ever seen a player with more drives get after the quarterback and get after the foot all he has he's pretty special that he is that he is and another Guy Gerald McCoy had three sacks on Sunday too the short was the oldest rookie could possibly be that's the Classic Panthers Mantra Remember when we gave him in two and a half sacks two and a half so he was credited with two and a half so all right let's get McCoy's we've used them in a lot more positions than just defensive tackle and basically what I mean is this all every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do his really Bill Lynch pin on this defense is dog Tari Po- he has done a great job and you can see it in Vernon Butler second strip sack we've been kind of moving him all over the line and I'm frankly impressed with how fast he is as well even though he's on the wrong side of thirty now he's still got some wheels he can get he's like big contract extension after his four years he was twenty eight so like Josh Norman was that way too or is this your way too old to be on a rookie bill while John I know you're all about the passing game and you don't really give a shit about running the football so increasing dividends on the back end because no quarterback can get comfortable we have yet to see a quarterback that has been at all comfortable against us which is great also tackles and he had four pass deflections along with two interceptions is he elite I don't know stuff like that but he is very very good elite is Jalen Ramsey and I think James Bradbury elite I don't think he's you know Durell Rivas Jalen Ramsey dion sanders that kind of elite corner bad and Bradbury's the best corner that we see regularly so naturally we're going to think he's one of the best in the NFL I just I have a hard time using the word elite like I don't think he's one of the one or two best corners and league I think every single one of our corners play better across the board and I have to believe that is a side effect of the amount of pressure that we're getting I think he's one of the one of the eight best number one corners in the league like I don't think he's mediocre or anything he's probably in the four to five range that's never good good I like that it's hard for me to like tear him because I don't know enough about other teams secondaries is in the tier right below that are we Chris Gambling James Bradberry right now over rating him because he's a panther and is is what he is to me I don't I don't think he's he's mediocre bad or good he's very good but I don't think I would use the word enough about other quarterbacks to degrade him compared to other quarterbacks I do think he's very good though I don't think he's I I wouldn't use the word elite next plays for I think there's I mean there's definitely an element of that were kind of like what I said in that cornerback is a very but it also makes it harder to evaluate the guys on the back end that that's something that I thought the most impressive about our front seven is not just a fast forward about twenty minutes or so and we apologize for the inconvenience erupted they are I think he's he's shocked to see more than one person on that front that's as athletic is he is it's not just Brian Michael position to know how good they are unless you watch them play on a regular basis like there's nothing you can look at the box score and say like whether or not this this corner is good this morning would like to actually defend that thought because I do legitimate real talk conversation starter about that topic in dollars I'm sure he probably has nineteen million dollars in loose change in his couch so should we segue into the kyle one of his main attributes is his poise and how well he handles adversity in pressure and stuff like that and to see him completely flustered by the pass rush says a lot about how the in his playing himself into a like five year seventy million dollar contract right now out of his mind lift the play the back end by forcing you know quarterbacks to hold the ball a little longer force to make bad throws rush throws I just think he's he's in the tier of the best of the non elite playing Brat Than Norman did in two thousand fifteen hot topic if you're listening to this and you're tired of the Kyle versus Cam Newton debate you can kind I it's not my opinion per se it's not what I want them to do it's not what I even think twenty million dollars if they release him his dead cap is two million the nineteen point one million just throwing that out there you know how many coins do you think are under that couch Browse Exceleron five and zero I mean David Tappers worth eleven billion mentions it can pay Christian McCaffrey it could bring guys back like like Vernon Butler so again subscribe to the virtuous wherever you get your podcast we'll see their go ahead defend your point about it's not game I think that's probably fair but I didn't think Josh Norman with elite either I gotta wonder since we're we're we're seeing Vernon Butler back like it allows them to do that you know Cam Newton is going to be thirty years old or thirty one years old camden that they may be should do it's what I think is possible that they will do let's look at the facts in dollars can do a lot I mean it can buy offense Lineman it can give Thompson and James bradberry contract we're seeing copperplate saying DJ played better we're seeing jd. Elliot play better I mean I I don't think it's a coincidence that this front seven has I really want to get into what Brad saying about the nineteen million thing but I also feel like we need to do our bit about Kyle it's either a sprain Eliza Franken injury or gangrene like we have no idea Ron's not a doctor we don't nine if they're if they're like a Lamar Jackson her to Shawn Watson type I even argued Bruce Irvin Shaq Thompson or in that conversation Thompson it's been exceptional season for him in the only problem of course with the defense playing at historic pace like this I have no idea how we're gonNA work out on track you know I don't think we're going to beat the forty niners no matter who starts quarterback let the backup take those hits like the backup play one week get another week of evaluating what you've got in Kyle before in camps got to practice with the team he's got to get timing back with his receivers he's got is this is not subjective opinion this these are all facts air noon has one more year left on his contract after the season is over is captured exelon these guys so they're going to have to be some tough decisions probably made the vein we could look under but you know I don't think that the panthers are going to want to give him a long term deal when he's already is not gonna be back until you know three or four weeks before the season's over there's no point in keeping him on the fifty three man roster at that point I don't think that's the in San Francisco on the road I believe if I remember correctly we go to San Francisco that's not a good idea which means totally the camps can start founder of lime scooters the CEO beyond me we've also been talking a lot of reporters and academics at the major pressing policy issues in tech like facebook's content moderation doing great in has been in the League for almost a decade Cam Newton has had to shoulder surgeries Cam Newton has a foot injury that we don't really even know what it is as an exclusive rights free agent so they can have him for five hundred thousand dollars in cap space and while I think that would be the early before you do it a year too late and I just I think that if Kyle Alan is five zero six zero five couch cushion and find about nineteen million hey I know that that could pay for somebody get back in the flow of being in football related activity anyway and playing against the five annot and we'll probably be six no team chiefs harassment plan or lack there of and whether or not the government should break Amazon which maybe should and then every Friday I sit down with executive editor bone and Paul Miller for singlehandedly the dumbest thing that they could possibly do we're not it's not like we've never done stupid things eighty at the peak and potentially coming down and Bill Belichick is the master of this you want to get rid of a guy a year or two yeah I agree with that and that's the downside is yeah he wound up with Carlisle and turns back into a Pumpkin and then you're in quarterback purgatory which is the worst they want to talk about that now then we'll do that first we can if you want hey I'm your lifestyle Ed and the verge host of the verge cast even revamping the versus Cam Newton debate them since we're getting their horse is there to talk about our topic it's it is the nice to be isn't NFL team you either want to be absolute dog shit or compete for the Super Bowl. You don't want to be like the Tennessee titans I don't know for me it's what I expect is Cam Newton to come back I dea that Kyle Allen is the future of the franchise like we've Seen Cam Newton when the national be at least like eighty five percent healthy and to just tear shit apart and squash this nate they didn't they didn't draft him to sit there and hold a clipboard definitely well loses her not against the forty niners and all of a sudden we're going to see him do what we've seen the magic of Cam Newton and Burns also Christian Miller also Mario Addison. I don't think any quarterback in the lease used to seeing that many guys that can actually run them down from more more lately and coming out the episodes twice a week sometimes even at third bonus episode on Tuesdays talked to influential people around the world attack like Microsoft founder Bill Gates and other tech exactly media has been like he's done he's not a good quarterback he's bad and he comes out and just strings together a twelve and four seasons fifteen in one season half of two thousand eighteen you guys just choose not to acknowledge that kills me is people with it and stop the madness of Cam Newton versus Kyle just pick Cam the pit kyle put camel I are and be done if he well I haven't seen a healthy Cam Newton since two thousand fifteen will apparently you didn't watch two thousand eighteen when we were six and two or the season before that where he in Chris Clark at left tackle one other thing that's getting loss of this is late season Cam Newton who was injured was still really good okay so I think that he's probably gonNA come back in week nine I don't think they'll bring him back for the forty niners game because I think that that would be foolish since up even guys like Shawn Watson and Garner men shoot who are supposed to be environmentally John but John Watson in particular where he supposed to be it's so depending and a lot of this depends on how severe this injury is out I wanNA say was we'll Brinson that said today on that nineteen million is very attractive especially when we have will greer who can clearly carry the load in case call Allen Bill because like I said nineteen million dollars is a lot of money that can buy a lot of role players and even storer quality players and quarterback our defense was bad we could not close out games when teams went to full throw mode we had no pass rush we had nobody we literally you don't have to scrounge to find cap space to keep guys like Shack Thompson I decided that the team doesn't think of it that way because then there you're not you're you're able to pay one six and one whatever they're going to seriously consider just rolling with him at least for another year they can have him at a so I guess it's time for us to give our Kyle Allen takes as far as what we crossed the line there's nowhere to go and we're beating the crap Outta guys Yup I agree Alan Should Kyle Allen takeover is this the end of Cam Newton's career in Carolina obviously listening to this podcast listeners you indeed and you know I just I think David tepper especially is going to look at all of the factors and him being a businessman he carried the team kicking and screaming the playoffs and let me and let me also say this early two thousand Eighteen Cam Newton for an organisation so while I don't want him to do it I don't think they should do it I think that there's a really good chance they will you probably know where we stand but regardless I wanna take a moment and let every person on this show give their measured won't be like where was this camp for the last two years while people like me and John and Brad and Eric will say while he was there in the first still put up like he was still throwing for three hundred yards and moving the offense and playing good football we lost by one score in almost every game after or that Pittsburgh game was losing but cameras playing fine people are like I think lost in the the losing people immediately are automatically equated the losing streak of camps played deteriorating but like his play didn't drop off until week fifteen now we have the opposite problem that we do now we a lot he's fumbled six times and he's given away for those that would absolutely lost us the Houston game or the Jacksonville Game I think we're gonNA see honestly like I think that when Cam Newton comes back people are going to be bitching because he will take over for Kyle Pimm so far because this has been the biggest topic of conversation across the National Media Cam Newton for our defense didn't put up twenty three sacks in the last four games twenty three I'm pretty sure haven't looked up but I'm pretty sure twenty three yeah it wasn't like the steelers game he his playful cliff you can see his arm strength start to deteriorate but he didn't and so those last two starts he got you so justify your takes on twitter give us your idea of Kyle allowance what you think is GonNa happen going forward and what you think of him as a quarter later that there's a chance that cam doesn't come back until week fourteen a week fifteen and a side note if that's the case just put him on injured reserve and be done it's not like that I mean at the absolute facts situation there are two stats that everybody who is in love with Kyle Allen quotes back right now well on on twitter I basically I didn't say anything that wasn't a fact and I think that's the the problem sense because in the two games are meaning against Houston Jacksonville nothing he was bad he may one heroic throw to say John Kyle Allen Without Cam Newton what have you so eric you started the week off with a with an more players but then you're on a quarterback or you're just saying we're gonNA put a good Ross backup quarterback and that's our recipe for success article about kyle or I shouldn't say you didn't start it off in the article but you were on twitter and you just went to town and you had a lot of people come in dragging us to victory I will give Kyle Allen A well-thought victory against the Arizona cardinals he played exceptionally well in his. Oh four bucks I mean it's it's ridiculous the amount of things that this defense is accomplishing their offense is still just barely bad your order back on big a deal unless you have your quarterback you don't want to to roll with an uncertain in this whole debate where people aren't backing Kyle Allen one hundred percent they're considered a cam loner kyle hater one of them's is win loss record the other one is his seven seven zero touchdown interception ratio ratio the third is as quarterback rating but usually seen in Carolina and that includes some of our best defense is this defense right now is that a level that would put them in the same rarified air as the eighty five bears the had Mario Addison and you know you have to have it on both sides of the line and quarterback she's going to run away from every single time now that we have weapons but to say that that's all his doing would be I mean it's fool's gold it's absolute fool's gold fun fact the one thousand nine hundred five Chicago Eighteen four-star turnovers hasn't probably hasn't happened in a four-game stretch in NFL history. I would have to look both of those things up doing a lot of extensive research coming out party but I think he has been living off of the fame of four touchdown passes against one of the worst defenses football every single week you a backup quarterback a good backup quarterback I think kyle doing a really good job minding the ship but honestly there's a good chance that bears did not even get twenty three sacks four game span Dan most they had was eighteen so this in the course of four games produced five more sacks than the one of the most if not the most legendary defensive units in NFL history show we cover the latest in Tech News and product reviews agreeing our other reporters around the verge that show is party listen to it you can hear all that more if you subscribe the virtuous wherever you get your podcasts would love for you to listen and join us directly help the offense they if you dislike stymie opposing teams in the game like five five fifteen yards of driving the pot that helps but if the game against Houston but most of the reason that was needed was him himself he's the one that was giving the game away I just think it's a little bit I would bet you could probably go back as far as you want and I'm fairly certain that it's never happened in history it's gotta be a legendary stretch you know or or even the panthers the last couple years you don't WanNa be seven to nine eight nine eight nine seven you know you have to either be really good a really but even if it had happened before I can guarantee you that would be exceptionally rare the defense right now is playing at a level that we've never around us that one because a lot of people don't even understand it but the problem mirrors it's not the whole story fact allowing puts the ball on the ground college a week seventeen victory between two teams that have nothing to play for just not my style but is four known meaningful gains position where we were able to fair catch a punt and kick a field goal essentially right after it before the half and that's in no wasn't saying I mean there's nothing else to say at the fact that or rushing aside in giving credits talked about in historic air but yet kyle Allen is five no and that's out Oliver by can say I've still say four no I I refused you're looking at the passing defense of the panthers big game by James Bradberry by the way he had eleven credited tackles ever that's that's only possible if you're defenses able stop somebody so far back in their territory that they can't get off a good putt I mean I'd say even start with because it's four games nothing thousand and to Tampa Bay buccaneers also did not accomplish that feat everything's right now I mean we just saw what has to be via rarest play in NFL history over the weekend against Tampa Bay where we were in and I mean I'm not GonNa go through a lot of them but I mean if the nineteen eighty five bears or the two thousand Ravens didn't do it I don't think anybody else's daughter it's such a rare occurrence that none of us at the top of our heads so the the point being the defense is doing legendary accused how much credit Kyle Allen is getting for the teams wins win the defense is playing so well that they're being it would hardly random random ass team that did it if anybody did yeah if nothing else I like you're saying well it was very unfair that they're not getting I don't think they're getting credit for it because they're kind of overshadowed by this whole Allen Verses Newton thing because of four games which is an absurd things are happening right now Brian Burns gotten his hands on three punts. For God's sake it's it's just insane what we're doing in the fact that everybody is saying you're not like flipping the field so to speak when defense is directly like taking possession of the ball and pushing the other teams often backwards they're actively helping their offense and Gokhale Allen breath of fresh that's my favorite one so far what a breath of fresh air but that's right in there with the Cagey as the print version of the conversation Ravin right now the comments section that was so funny because it was just a bunch of like you know what you'd call them just like mm-hmm I mean I'm I'm just I'm looking on pro football reference and I'm just randomly looking at teams that I'd know from memory that were elite defensive unit veteran I the comment section of the thing I wrote about the Defense Bay that basically the the thing is too it's not like this defense and this is kind of piggybacking opportunities not just like a shutting teams down the sax in the turnovers axes never happened in a stretch in NFL history by any one team I can say that with some pretty good

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Free Agent DB/LB Rankings, Tom Brady/Ryan Tannehill talk, Gronk's new deal!? (Football 3/12)

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Free Agent DB/LB Rankings, Tom Brady/Ryan Tannehill talk, Gronk's new deal!? (Football 3/12)

"What's up? Everybody welcomed the pick six podcast. Cbs Sports daily NFL. Podcast I I will Brinson. I'm your host ranking weeks continue. It's Thursday march twelfth. Just two days left to vote players. Don't forget to wipe off your cleaning station when you go vote because you never know what can happen. most players. Nfl PA members will be voting from Home Online. And we've run into the new CBA March Fourteenth March Sixteenth Franchise Tags March Eighteenth. Free Agency starts. The new league year begins. And we're going to discuss the defensive backs edge rushers and linebackers defensive players. If you will with Brian McFadden also some more. Tom Brady News Gras. Got A new deal and rule changes but first and foremost. Let's dive right into free. Agency chatter feedback. I guy how you doing sir. Great to be alive man. He doesn't Know Gray Davis talk about. Hey you've got a free agent before right. Yes sir. What was it like should were you did you? You played your drafted by the steelers won a super bowl at the steelers on your rookie contract and then signed with the cardinals as a free agent. Is that right? Yes Sir at the my fourth year. Well yeah finishing up the fourth year. We won't be Arizona as my first opportunity to become a free agent and a good feeling. You know you're going to get some type of new money. You know certain players. Don't get what they would like to get. But you know you you will get a raise you know hopefully significant raise and for me. I just know knew I was going to see a new contract so I was extremely excited about that. Okay so actually. Yeah you once you on. I know you want a super bowl your rookie year. 'cause we talked about that a bunch then you want your last year before. Free Agency. So you're free agency. Year was two thousand twelve. My free agent year was off season of two thousand nine. You guys okay okay. The defense is the great defense. There won the Super Bowl and then that helped propel all you got a bunch of guys. But that's what happens when you super bowl guys get paid and I am. I wrong in my time. Line here was there. A debris Horton jump and become the DC in Arizona or race state. In Pittsburgh Ray went to Arizona when I was done in Arizona okay. I didn't know that there's some crossover there like. How did you end? Up IN ARIZONA. What was the? Was it just something that Kim what we remember our first Super Bowl five rookie? Kim was the how was the? Oc At that time. And then Ken left in two thousand going into two thousand seven season with on car retire. Remember we are the steelers higher? Mike Tomlin passed on. Kim Isn't high enough going out to Arizona. That's right that's right okay And he took so yeah. He was one of the one of the candidates to be the head coach in Pittsburgh they went with Tomlin and so he decided to take the head. Coaching position in Arizona. Is that right jump before cowards homes and it yeah I think I will. I think Ken left in. Oh six after the SUPPO. I think you're right So the point being is like for you there was not to mention. You're getting paid. But there's also a certain comfort level knowing here you're going to work for it. Even if you hadn't had no question you know just understanding was being around him was being around me and that's why we usually see in free agency All sports not just football basketball baseball. You usually see players. They're chasing every dollar will but they're also going into a familiar situation when it could be an assistant coach or head coach. Aw for an office individual. They're going to a situation where they know someone there. And that can usually make their transition smoother. Yeah and by the way. That's yes so Mike. Tomlin hired in two thousand seven at Saint. That is such a long time to coach a professional football team. It's crazy how long he's been there when losing season by the way. Remember that that's right and and people to Brownies. I might have done it to. I can't remember people were still put on the hot seat. What are we doing guys are losing season? But there's Association board Kim was in Arizona. Oh seven Did you was like playing golf? A factor or like. When did you did you let teams court shoe or are you just like hey aged? Whoever was your agent at the time? Rosenhaus Rosenhaus okay. So we like hey drew the most money. I like If they'll pay me let's get or like what was the deal you know what was crazy is because I knew a few guys that were playing Arizona during the season and I was hearing that you know they might be a team that would be looking for my services during the season. Who Yes oh. And this was like some of the player conversations that we're having with some of the guys Arizona also too. There were a few people that were a part of Pittsburgh. Went out with kin To Arizona. You know assistance in player. So what happened was I was hearing these rumors. And then eventually as time got closer to that free agent period to start. I started hearing. You know the rumors. They start to intensify. But all I had to wait for Kurt Warner because at that time. Kurt Warner deal was up in. They already informed. You know all the ages that we're not doing anything with any other player until we find out what we're going to Kurt Warner a interesting so you're sort of like a Tom Brady fulltime Brady. Tom Brady like holding pattern in terms of being able to sign. You had to wait for Kurt Warner to get locked down. That's kind of fascinating. Yeah yeah and that's usually the case when it comes to free agents it doesn't matter the position usually the top guy dictates. What happens with other players like right now with Tom? Brady? Nothing will move into. Tom Brady decides to go elsewhere. Stay in New England. So now the other quarterbacks that we've been talking about the entire off season they've gotta they gotta wait they gotta wait so hopefully for guys like Teddy Bridgewater Philip Rivers Some of the quarterbacks that could be available Jameis Winston they. They need to hope that. Tom Brady signs fast because the longer he waits his ordeal out. They have to wait. Also that's a good point. Okay so I would. I would like if it were me. I have our. Nfl free agent. I think geography would kinda dictate my interest. And maybe maybe tax rates to tax rates question. No question What do you think about Tom Brady? We've talked a little bit about this. And you mentioned the demands and what people wait for and help people wait for. Tom Brady We've we`ve. We've heard a rumor now Diana ever of ESPN reported that. Tom Brady has two things that he wants from. The teams won control over the roster and to he wants to be part of making the decisions on the play calling a well actually. No what do you think? Those demands are fair. Radio question their fifth right. I mean think about this. Tom Brady has been league with twenty years. Yeah very close to it. Yeah close the twentieth. Not Twenty th. This is the first time ever become a free agent so right now Tom Brady. And he's a hot player still granted. He didn't have the year that we've seen in years past. But he has six championships. So we at Tom. Brady may only played two more years. But he has already leveraged all the power so for him to ask experts type of responsibilities and options. Yeah I think fair. Okay what do you think? What do you think about the idea of Tom? Brady going in and tell the chargers titans. Or whoever the raiders. Whoever else it is outside the Patriots? He's like hey look I want to bring in my trainer and all his weird avocado ice cream stuff. And I'm going to bring in my production crew one nine thousand nine productions started out in La and they're going to film everything that happens if you if you're willing to let me do both things I'll sign with you. Do you think that's a fair? Ask now see the thing about bringing in production crew. That could bring distractions right. Yeah and that would be something. We would have to talk about because granted. It's a team sport and we don't want anybody to feel like you're bigger than the team. You're not bigger than the organization we know you have championships. But YOU'RE NOT BIGGER THAN THE TEAM. The ideal of eighteen so brandon up production Accompanied of follow your every move especially the week of preparation getting for getting ready for games or something. That could become a distraction. Now if you want to do this during the off season you know. Ota's minicamps okay but training camp. Now we got slim we gotta cut that down a little bit and I think the professional guy in how focusing dowdy and Tom Brady is if that was something he would like to have. I think he would be willing to compromise to make sure. There's no distractions involved and that's been reported that sort of my theory based on his production like he's announcing this production company it's sorta Lincoln into L. A. etc. I think that he will for a team. That might not have a great chance at landing. Him just had a football reasons. He'd be willing to lean on them for those reasons as well as far as like control over the roster and decision making a play calling if you bring in Tom Brady and you're not giving league in letting him have input into who he's throwing to and and like what sort of plays he's running. Then why are you bringing in Tom? Brady in the first place. You know what I mean. That should be a given. I'm right there with that. Should be a given. The experience has been around quality. Play calls in his professional career. He understands the game As also very good he's a he has a good understanding of the game. Yeah you WANNA leave him. I mean not tons at a tin will. I mean ten times out of ten. Whatever team Tom Brady is going to? He has more championships than probably everybody on the roster. Thirty OUT OF THIRTY TWO TIMES. Yes yes yes So there's also reports out there that the titans are focused not on Tom Brady instead according to Ian Rapoport. Nfl Network they are focused on signing Ryan. Tannehill do do good go ahead you. What would you do if you're the type that that is true? I've heard that also lovely thanks. What the caveat with that is if Tom Brady tells the titans. I want to come play for you. Tennessee is going to board the Ryan. Tannehill ideal. They want Ryan here. They will love to sign Ryan Tannehill too nice. Three or four years deals what I'm here. In case scenario franchise him but they want Ryan Tannehill to be their starting quarterback with the goat. If Tom Brady says you know what? I want to take my talents down to Tennessee. Cy Ryan who is? You can't yes. Tom Brady has two years left right. We know that case scenario tops. Yeah what if? You're Tennessee if if if Brady says I'm sorry Brady has two years tops left. I believe in his career if he says I want to go play. I WANNA come down to Tennessee and play tennis. He's going to take him open his offer if they can find quality numbers contract wise. Yeah I I've heard the same thing. You just read that Tennessee. They will look for Ryan. Tannehill to be the guy going forward. But it's all about what Tom Brady wants to do. So there's an interesting way that you could do this and it would be a turtle a whole move if you're the titans but because of the way we talked about this Jonathan Jones yesterday so the schedule for the franchise tag is such that now. It's been adjusted. Where the you're allowed to franchise tag guys up until eleven fifty nine fifty nine so until the last second before noon on Monday in theory you could alert Ryan Tannehill. That you were franchise tagging him at like eleven forty five and just sort of because he's got a tag unless he signs it so you could. You could then immediately rescind the tag if in the next twenty minutes you talk to. Tom Brady like you call Brady as soon as legal. Tampering opens at twelve o'clock. Tom We need an answer right now. Will you come to Nashville? And if he's like I'm in Nashville. You could present tag before Tena Hillsides it. It would be horrible. Pr Like A T. Again a total a hole. Move to do it but you could do it if you were the titans. There's Oakland that little window to pull it off. And therefore you definitely get you know one one of the birds that you're trying to hit you know you're saying kill two birds with one stone that franchise tag can actually help the titans like of course if we don't get Tom. We got the franchise tag on Ryan Tannehill. Now let's go to. Let's start negotiating a deal with Ryan Tannehill. But if we put the franchise tag on Ryan Tannehill. Tom Brady says he wants to come to to Tennessee. Ryan has yet to sign that franchise hacked they can resend that. Take you remember years ago. When Josh Norman was going Fifth Year They Franchise Tag Josh Norman. They rescinded the take took it away. Yes right Josh. Norman started barking about how he wasn't going to show up. And Dave gettleman got all pissed off and just yanked the tag and it was like what do you mean you yanking tag. Just had them play and he became a free agent. He signed a huge deal with the redskins right after that. The thing the thing that is the one that you have to worry about his tannehill could and I don't know if I'd have to I have to look in the CBA and it might change with the new. Cba The methodology for signing the tag. Because I think you have to actually go in and physically sign your tender. I don't know if you can submit a tender. You're like Ryan Tannehill health training in California. I mean he might have to actually come in and sign his tender verses simply submitting it through email but I would think you could do it via email to look at that and he rate like. If I'm Brian Maytag. I'm would you sign it right away or would you hope that because like if they rescinded the tag on on Tannahill become a free agent? He would make a ton of money in the open market. Yeah I think Ryan Tannehill set up to really see a nice pay day. Rather is the Franchise Hager contract with that scenario. Happens based on what you just explained to us. Everyone Ryan Tannehill. I HOLD UP I. I don't sign that. Well you know what because the French have a quote? Quarterbacks will be around thirty million eight hundred. Yeah you're thirty million. Guaranteed in your pocket. Oh you know what I was. Signed that franchise AAC right now. And here's why listeners will let me know if this makes sense to you now right tannahill agent could also be aware of this scenario. You just provided for us. If I'm aware of it. I guess those agent is to go question. So I would sign that franchise tag now. I don't know exactly the franchise number for the quarterback position this upcoming year. But I would imagine this around thirty million so now is that accurate is is. It's I think it's twenty seven for the non. It is they actually. They haven't calculated the numbers yet. Because we don't have a salary cap. Yeah yes so. So based on the Mike. I think it's I think over the CAP has of at. Twenty six point eight nine five but I think it would be closer to thirty based on current contracts and the new CBA a potential spike in the camp. Okay so let's say around twenty seven to thirty million dollars. I signed a franchise tag now and now I know Roy. Case scenario making twenty seven thirty million but when the time is try to negotiate we don't start negotiating if you're not starting off my per year salary at thirty million for sure can't hear like listen. I'll I'll play when you're thirty million dollars but so so my thing is this. That's why I would sign the tag because now the leverage switches in your favor because most teams do not want to have a player play in with the tag over there. Hey because they kind of straps the cap but only going to negotiate. If we're talking the highest number in the franchise tag which is around thirty million. If not I play pay play one year for thirty million. I get right back to the table. Think about this when Ryan Tannehill got. What did he get? Release a traded tendency. Larry Traded Tennessee by the dolphins for chump change when he when he got traded to Tennessee the thought process about Ryan attending the narrative. Was He's potentially going to be a backup for some years. Right is almost like we've seen enough of Ryan. Tannehill a starting quarterback he already out kicked his coverage by jumping into the lineup playing well and now get ready to see a huge deal so if someone was to tell Ryan and and when he got traded in the season started he was a backup next year. There's a as opportunity you could get thirty million for one year. He would be like we all would have been like. How's that possible? Yeah right yeah so I think that's why I was signing because forced the Tennessee Titans and negotiate and we have to start around thirty million off top. If not I put its way remember to Tannehill. Signed a big deal with the dolphins played out all but the final year of it so he has and he was a first round pick so he has been paid like. He's not desperate for money. Now which which also helps you listen. I'll play one year for thirty million dollars. I got a lot of money in the bank. there's a you know what speaking of Deals Rob Gronkowski iphone buzzed multiple times over the last twelve hours. The BLURT THAT. Gronk is returning to the WWE. And I get it. I understand why we alerted. I'd I mean we see. Es ESPN everybody. I got I got. I got the alert but the alert do I need it going to. Wwe alert. Like I I would say the. Wwe for three years news rally him he finally proved you write. The RAP reported it to citing an insider you will make his debut on. Fox smackdown on March twentieth. You also appear in Wrestlemainia thirty six on April fifth leading to future match according to the outlet Do you watch do you watch? Do you currently watch wrestling back. Know me as a youngster. I used to be a big fan too. It was your C- so we're we're like we're you know who am. I who who might I go to us? Oh yes you should. Oh Yeah I love Ric flair. He's the greatest the greatest. Hocutt guy and I love warrior to. I wasn't really see back in the day and showing my age I was A. Wcw Guy wasn't that WWF guy wwf now is WWe WWF guy so I was a ric flair the four horsemen our Anderson Dusty Rhodes. Yeah those were my legs Stinger staying. Yes ultra will sting before. He turned into the Weirdo with the face paint. Remember remember the buzz staying with the short cropped hair score. Yeah would put guys at the Scorpion and just choke him out. Yeah I don't watch it either. I don't watch it anymore either. But it's a big big people love pressing. It's very used it is. There's nothing wrong with it wrestling. I loved it as a kid. Just watch anymore. So is grow a wrestler. Because last time I saw growing he looked real slim He did Hey let me ask you something. This is off topic but if you're an NFL a what's your what's your fear level this corona virus thing if you were if you're a rookie and you're about to be drafted. You're likely first round pick. Would you a stay at your home and Florida which you're like you're in Atlanta now? But would you stay at your home or would you go to Vegas and hug it out with Roger Goodell on the? I mean it's Kinda hard to not get out if you're the type of player Potential other opportunities. I mean hopefully by then they have really slow this thing down a little bit. Have some more answers and you know they have done a pretty good job in informing everybody about the situation so so right now because this little over a month away I will be set to go. Would be planning on going barring some major changes. I say there's just because the is a different story but the Golden State Warriors have decided that they are according to Adrian origin ASCII of ESPN. The second literally just happened to recording. The warriors are GonNa play forseeable home games without fans in observance. Thanks to an order from the San Francisco Health Offices Health Office order prohibiting groups of events of a thousand or more from assembling. How would you feel about playing playing a game of Football Professional Football Empty Stadium? Oh be difficult now. The thing is we've had practices a scrimmages where the fans were not available We're not able to go into the game so we've had that type of format but knowing this actual game it would be weird and I understand what the warriors are doing because that ship out out there when from San Francisco So I think that makes sense in the good I guess the good thing about the warriors with this situation with no fans. They're not very good right now. Yes and not. A good team came back from his. I think it hurts depot knows. I'm an expert now He came back from hurting his head. Or whatever but he's now out with the flu and they're getting peppered with questions like staff Corona Corona keeps saying no. It's just the regular flu but I mean like I mean like I I would be you know I think. Exercising the right amount of caution and you don't WANNA get I. I think your answer is the correct one like you were up as an NFL rookie. You're like I am planning to go but I'M GONNA play it by ear and for the NFL. It's tough. I mean look I mean you can't have two hundred fifty thousand people gathering in the Strip to watch the draft you. They're not gonNA be able to do it if the draft were. Today they would not be allowed to do that or something like somebody would step. It'd be like this can happen and think about the money that will be loss. Oh Yeah how you GonNa go to the draft. Would you would you Brian McFadden in your current age. Would you go to the drought like if you're like if if it if it was this weekend? No but April. You're still taking away. She has still them over a month away. So you lock it happened. And that's what we all gotta hope for even with not even without that event being scheduled just when it comes through you know livelihood we all gotta hope every day. There's a positive piece of news and then every week. There's a positive piece of news a kind of keep everybody optimistic that this thing is you can beat this thing sooner than later. Sorry for pivoting to Iraqi bringing up. I like it. It's got me. It hasn't been unusually agitated. It's wrong word but like little frothed up here like this. I don't usually get bugged by this sort of thing and this kind of got me going. Yeah you're not alone okay. Yeah Yeah thank you turn on the TV role changes the NFL is looking at the owners. Meetings ARE COMING UP. One of them is coming from the XFL basically instead of being able to attempt an onside kick or certificate onside kick team. Who is losing can instead elect to a tip to gain a first down on fourth and fifteen from its own twenty five successful. The team maintains possession from the point at which they get the first down. What do you think about? You might have to repeat this afternoon. This was the a certain so in other words. Let's say you're down seven points. Yup. Ceo's down seven points with six three or four minutes ago and you don't want to kick an onside kick. 'cause you don't think you can recover it. You could go for it on fourth and fifteen from your own twenty-five if you fail the other team gets the ball there. If you if you go for it you would maintain possession if you acquire the first down it would. It would involve okay explain. Why the reason why? I don't like it because the thing about the honest kick is very difficult. That's why we don't see a lot of successful onside. Kicks I think the the the likelihood and you convert on a fourth and fifteen is better than the likelihood of you converted an onside kick that is true and we saw a few. Asa Kicks are recovered. This past year I remember Atlanta had a game. I think it was against the sinks. They recovered quite a few onsite cakes. But the likelihood of you get an onside kick back. I don't know what the numbers would be researching wise going back to last year the year before that the year before that you don't usually see a lot of successful onside kicks so I as a defensive player or as a coach or just as a fan because any given time your team could be on the opposite end no the thing about four hundred fifteen yes. They're backed up. But how many times have we seen Hillary tease regardless? If they're the right call the wrong call extend drives. That's that's a very good point. You'RE NOT GONNA get a pass interference penalty call on an onside kick. 'cause you know that's how it works. You could on a fourth fifteen. Just say F. it we're throwing deep and hope you draw a pass interference penalty when they changed the rules per football. Talk noted Onside kicks had dropped from twenty one percent recovery to six percent recovery at the two thousand eighteen two thousand nineteen on the fourth in fifteen over the last ten years there have been sixty attemps where teams go for it on. Fourth fifteen is very many. Just sixteen those have been successful. But that's twenty six point seven percent to seventy two thousand nineteen that's according to NFL Research. So you would go. From essentially twenty-one percent onside kick recovery to the rule change down to six percent back up to something in the range of twenty seven percent. I think the reason the NFL consider it is because it would add an element of excitement and a lot of excitement and frustration at the same time. Because you're saying that like from defensive offensive perspective to like. Let's say you're a team that doesn't have a good defense. You're a human tremendous disadvantage right. As a fan you had a disadvantage as a team yet a disadvantage and then we talked about the Pillai's. It's not just about pass interference. Penalties will what about illegal contact at five yard penalty that worshiping automatic first down. Or what about rough? You see how they protect the quarterbacks what about roughing the passer. We've seen a lot of bad roughing. The passer calls from last year and a lot of them weren't warranted a lot of work but they will extend drives. That's why I don't like it. No and like as a defensive back I would assume that in that situation fourth and fifteen year up seven. There's three minutes left on the clock they don't have any timeouts. You're going to be like almost too cautious standing on eggshells. Because you don't you don't want to give a deep play but you also don't want to give up a penalty and so like you might ease back and allows me to go up top on you and then all of a sudden streaking down here for two. They win the game and you're getting blasted on social media. Okay couple more rule changes. Let's see to Restore preseason and regular season overtime to fifteen minutes and implement rules to minimize the impact of the coin. Toss that's from Philadelphia. Philadelphia also suggested modifying the blindside block to prevent unnecessary fouls and Philadelphia. Pc's Philadelphia Billy make permanent expansion of automatic replay reviews to include scoring plays and turnovers negated by a foul and any successful or unsuccessful. Try Attempt why is that? Not Thing in other words if it's a touchdown but it's called back for holding you review the holding call like we're viewing scoring plays anyway. Let's do it like it is a scoring play right right but it's not if if there's a flag it's not reviewed and you can't so like. I think that's sort of what they're trying to go for their. Maybe holding is the wrong example. But like do you see anything about not allowing games finishing tie You've mentioned overtime period of fifteen minutes. Right I don't think so but I don't know nothing on ties for this aid seeing attack. I hate seeing attack. I really hate ties for the end of season math because I do the playoff picture every year and so I have to figure out like which scenes are going to be seated which based on which outcome of this past year there were tons of highs. I look like a moron because I was trying to like. Get it all right. It's like difficult math to do their I'm with you. I'm finding ties but I don't. I don't want players have to play for like an easy. Go to like some sort of shootout type of thing. You don't WanNa be out there. Playing one hundred eighty minutes of football. Yeah so after you know. The indirect would not regulation by the end of their overtime period. Let's come as it has to be a sudden-death type of field You know the first team. Maybe you can implements similar. To what college does the first team gets? The ball of the twenty five yard line first thing. That doesn't score or or even even even what about this you go so like Philadelphia proposed. Move over time to fifteen minutes so you move it back to fifteen minutes and then if it's still tied after fifteen minutes you just do two point conversions. So we'll do a conversion from the five yard line. You know what I'm saying like and it's like first person like it's like it's like a soccer kick out basic shoot up. Oh let's have a kickoff. I liked being able to put pressure on everybody. So let's say you end. The overtime is still tight. the the home team or the weight the home team or you do a coin. Toss to see who kicks I. The team that wins they can decide to kick or deferred to the opposing team. You kick off from the forty forty five yard line. You continue to move back five dollars. Four injuries on is not in a could be because you're not really having competitive eleven football. It's a special teams play but is not the same as having competitive eleven. Eleven football kickoff kickoff. Or are you said you know what you could do. You feel go kick off. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. People would lose their mind but it would make kickers more valuable and also to think about the fantasy element with your kicker he now. He gets an opportunity. The nail of an extra forty five yard kickoff fifty yard. You'll need it back until one kicker misses the gambling element of it too. But so like if you got the over and you're like nine seven point shy and he's just Bang Bang. Bang three cats and you're losing your mind. It's kind of fun. Yeah I think he would eliminate the the the the notion the notion that extra period and overtime already having overtime periods warrant more injuries fatigue might not see quality place. Let's go play over time. We've been doing it. The last few years at the end of the game ends in overtime. Now we had we had it feel go kickoff home team we coin toss you defer or you. WanNa kick the first thing to miss. That's the team that loses I and then two notes Miami real quickly. Miami propose the option to the option for the defense to start the game clock in the referee signal. The defense declines in offensive penalty that occurs late. Neither half okay. Sure and then from a Empire perspective the chargers in the Ravens both proposed these one adequate booth umpires eighth official to the efficient crew. This is a no brainer. Please do this. Add MORE OFFICIALS And then to add a senior technology advisor to the referee to assist the officiating crew. Again be they have so much on their plate. Beef up the officiating crews. It's not that hard and I'm right there with you. We're GONNA take as you mentioned back one super bowls playing a defensive back S. Two of so. Let's rank this after the break. The defensive backs. That's what you call a great tease basketball fan. It's very perish. Remind you to watch it on. Cbs sports because each week you watch some of the top games available for free on CBS. Sports DOT COM or in the CBS sports mobile APP. And this week it's all about the conference tournament. The big ten in the league in the country all season it could put a double digit number of teams in the two thousand twenty. Ncw tournament you watch those being battle it out in the big ten tournament this weekend you can do it on CBS. The semi finals starts Saturday at one. Pm Eastern than the championship game. Sunday at three thirty PM EASTERN AGAIN. You can watch all three of those games this weekend on. 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And then you can tell me what you like about their game and where you think might be a landing spot will start your number. Five FREE AGENT DEFENSIVE. Back Chris Harris for undrafted free agent out of Kansas picked up by the broncos immersion to one of the best quarterbacks but all around quarterbacks in the League yeah you remember early on in his career many people would just you know saw him as a slot guy and then he was able to You know just erase that narrative about his game savvy guy You know thirty still young when it comes to cornerback years nine year vet. I think he has the most experience out of any defensive that would be available. The hundred and thirty nine games played For Chris Harris Junior thing. I like about Chris Harris. He's a very instinctive player and he's a silent leader the way he goes about his game the way his actions display the lead. His leadership is very much known. And he's a playmaker. He is a playmaking in today's NFL. Game You have to have at least three guys that can cover well what that guy. That's in between the numbers. He needs to be equality all around guy that can cover and tackle and Chris. Harris has that ability. I think Chris Harris would be ideal. Go hit his ideal situation would be a playoff team a team that could be two or three pieces away from being a deep playoff like team. Also he can't help tutor some of the younger guys. I have a few teams on the list. Chris Harris the jets. I think they're going to improve that secondary especially at the cornerback position. Losing Tremaine Johnson The Houston Texans as well. We saw some issues and their secondary especially with all the injuries. They definitely to address the quarterback situation with depth The raiders I the thing about the NFL we usually see a lot of teams trying to get players that have played against in the division and Chris Harris terrorize US quite some time. Moving moving to Las Vegas. That would be a huge sign but the ideal team for Chris Harris Junior as I did my research and I thought about this thing thoroughly Dallas cowboys. Here's why number one. Their top Corner Byron Jones. He will not be in Dallas cowboys uniform in twenty twenty. I do not see that happening so now you have to replace a guy to feel in a bring in a guy that can definitely feel. Brian. Jones shoes and the thing about Chris has Julia wheel. He would be cheaper than Byron Jones and he actually probably a better corner than Byron Jones. And and a and a veteran guy who is not like. You'RE NOT GONNA pay him money and have him come in and flounder in some random system like and he's like he's so good at like playing may demand coverage like I think. I just think that you kind of plug him into the you know what I'm saying like. He's not going to be thrust into some roster. Just get lost. Because he doesn't work in their system and also to him. I talked about being able to the tune of some of the guys. They got corners in Dallas. That would love to be able to be around a guy like Chris Harris junior and learn some of the nuances that he provides so I think Dallas cowboys would be an ideal but I think Chris Harris would be okay with that because the Dallas Cowboys. If they can kind of stay out in they have tended to be a playoff team and I know we heard some rumors about Kansas City chiefs. I don't see that happening Because of the money situation I believe they will franchise Chris Jones Fuller their own Kendall Fuller will be a free agent. I don't see him leaving. And I think being able to to reach the to sign Kendall Fuller would be more ideal for Kansas City because he plays some pretty good football and he's a smart guy. He's an ideal slot guy so I don't see Chris Jones going to Kansas City. Now that could happen if kindle fuller goes elsewhere but right now based on how I see it now I think the cowboys would be an ideal spot because Jones doing. I number four Anthony. Another Harris Anthony Harris for Minnesota Safety. Just twenty eight years old. I think he was also an undrafted free agent from Virginia. Out of. That's right yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah Virginia Virginia by the way kind of quietly cranking out some nice defensive pieces over the last few years shot and he actually you anthony. Here's really emerged. This season led the League in interceptions. Had A defensive score on the back end as well and generally was an outstanding playmaker on the back end from Minnesota. What do you like about his game? Where could he go Ball Hawking Guy You know. He's twenty eight you know. He's hitting the free agent market older than most guys. But like you said he was a free agent the last year's actually he's been playing real. Good football nine interceptions seven. Pb use the last two seasons. He's been able to implement himself in that starting lineup. And he wasn't looking back a quality guy tackling as well. I think when you look at Anthony Harris. I don't see him returning to Minnesota because there are already paying top dollar To Harrison Smith who also plays the safety position on one of the best defensive players on that team so it's going to be very very difficult to pay Anthony Harris the money he's looking to receive and then continue to pay Harrison spill. I don't know if they will be willing to use a franchise tag. I'm going with the notion they would not so I think Anthony Harris will be looking elsewhere. I don't see him leaving the NFC. The will Two teams that. I like They would love to have his services will be the Carolina Panthers and the Tampa Bay buccaneers two teams in the NFC south teams. That had some issues in the back. End especially at the safety position. CAROLINA. I think Carolina would be ideal. Because safeties were. Were they play with bad? Is We saw bad? Ingles we saw bad is from from their safeties a year ago and the thing about ethnic. Here's that I love. I just mentioned you can either line him up in the post. He's ultimate traffic cop. He's he's able to communicate guys lineup but he's not a liability in the box being able to tackle an cover tight ends and they need to find a way to get a guy that can do it all. I know they had eric read. When when you think about Eric Reid? He's more guy that needs to be around the box. So if you have Eric Reid if you have Harris now you can keep harassing the post and then from time to time if you WANNA give the office of different look he can go up and play a box like safety and you don't lose any production. I think Tampa Bay would be ideal to Tampa. We willing to spend the money. I know one thing. They're looking to find out what they're going through with the quarterback position and that could take some time for Tapa so therefore other teams go really become more attractive to Anthony. Harris Carolina would want all right number three Byron Jones. I think that's your call Carolina and it'd be interesting to see to the Ron Rivera's regime and Dave gettleman was there too. They never were invested in secondary guys. You mentioned earlier how they rescinded the tag on Josh Norman. They always sort of tossed. It was like Trade Boston or in a various veterans. They would toss veterans back there they would try and win with the defensive line. I'll be curious to see. If Matt rule maybe operates in a different way in attacks. The Defensive Back Position Byron Jones. Your number three guy on there. The former Dallas cowboys cornerback slash safety came out of Connecticut. Memory set them with all jokes jumper. The vertical jump I was abroad is brought a buck. Twenty eight or something something obscene. I set that record at the combine into one pro bowl. Twenty seventh overall. Pick in the two thousand fifteen. Nfl draft What what do you like about gaming where does he? He's GonNa get paid this also. Yes he is. He's going to get paid to think about Byron Jones the versatility once they safety converted to cornerback in play pretty. Well I think the ceiling is still high because he only played two years at the quarterback position at the highest level and he wasn't a liabilities I think he will continue to grow with the experience. thing that he needs to work on is creating turnovers Didn't have interception a year ago Six PB us. He didn't get his hands on a lot of passes but he's always where he needs to be. He's a disciplined a football player. He tackles will because he's a former safety but he also understands the game very well and I don't see Byron Jones leaving the NFC east bound. Jones will be going the New York giants who the New York football giants as you know. I talked about earlier and you know listeners. You guys could a test to this. You don't usually see teams. You don't see some players. Leave the visions when players have played individual quite some time? They're usually a team. That's looking to acquire their services within the division and the giants just lost genucel. Jenkin Jenkins they need to ask. Some veteran cornerback production Right now they got the Andre Baker. A guy has potential but he had a up and down rookie year. Sound Bill. Another young guy. You don't want to go into the season twenty twentieth higher expectations than what you had last year. With two young cornerbacks I think adding Byron Jones creates competition. It creates an opportunity to have a number one corner in a division where you're going to see nice. Why receiver play. You need to have a number one guy so right. Now they don't have any number guy roster The giants know exactly what Byron Jones can do if they play against them twice as entire career. I don't see Byron Jones leaving the leaving the NFC east giants would be the football. Giants would be an ideal destination. And you're getting you want to talk about pairing veterans with younger players You could do that with Andre Baker. The other landing spot you can't do. It can't mention Byron Jones name. Where else debate will activate the electroshock therapy? If I don't point out that the eagles could be another landing spot in the east. They certainly need cornerback. Help of Howie. Roseman is willing to spend on the position number two guy. Justin Simmons hormonally formerly the Denver. While they could still be the I think he's actually a a He. He definitely qualifies for the list. But he's so good. I almost feel like John. Always said at the combine that they plan on tagging them which which means just likely destination is Denver. But it's a smart move by them right. Yeah he's not going anywhere they they would like to sign him but his asking price could be high and deserve and so he's been a ball a second team all pro a year ago. Only twenty six I mean for an exception is fifteen. Ninety four tackles a ball hawking safety tackling machine in four years will he's had eleven interceptions twenty eight. Pb using fifty eight games. Sh- DD you're talking about consistency. He's been one more one of the more consistent players on that team. The last four is the only player that might have been more consistent than Justin. Simmons is von Miller all the Denver broncos think about that. Yeah and by the way with the safety thing like I think Vic Fangio system sort of you like to have that. That Ball Hawking guy on the back end. Who can you know when they create when he disguises? The coverage is in that in the zone contests who can fly in and snare something when the quarterback makes a mystery to make some mistake. And so you really just can't let that guy walk. The in fact the highest paid guy at the safety position right now. Vic Fangio's old safety Eddie Jackson who is making fourteen point six million dollars a year. If you're Justin Simmons you're you're asking fifteen a year right. No question I mean. Do you look at some of the elite safeties in the game right now. Eddie Jackson's guy. You can talk about tire in Matthew Earl Thomas. They all have a dynamic capability to be quality covered in great tactless Justin Simmons. He's right up there with those guys. The issue with Justin Simmons is that the broncos. The last three years haven't been good so a lot of people are not really watching the broncos. They're not on their radar for justice is a guy that's why he's number two in my list as far as potential free agents. That's GonNa see a huge payday. It's actually shame that like Chris Harris. They can't pay Chris Harris too. Because the the Broncos even I mean it's it's not going to be as good next year. They still have some key pieces but I mean just yeah you wish you could see that broncos defense operate at full strength are your number one guy a guy that probably should have been paid last off season because now he's GonNa leave get real paid. But he's playing for the former drafted by the Carolina Panthers James Bradberry hard to imagine that a team that's rebuilding like Carolina is going to shell out a ton of money for bradberry. Yes he's he's gone right. I think he's GonNa hit agency and he's GonNa make a ton of money. What do you love about his game? Where do you see him going potential? I think the best is yet to come for Jane's A bradberry Six one big rangy lengthy guy can run We saw some inconsistencies from his game. But we saw that throughout the Carolina Panthers Defense but one thing that can't say about James Bradberry and the NFC south. He played again. Some of the best wide receivers think of Julio Jones Michael by Tom Godwin when he's been battled tested so his tape is not as hot as you would like for it to be. He has a legit reason. Not a Lotta corners that can stand the test of time in that division against those wide receivers. We just name so I think the best is yet to come especially with the big playability. He has because the big moments he's been involved in well. You can't coach that. You can't teach that you only get that through experience it every time he's on the field against the Tampa Bay buccaneers against Atlanta against New Orleans. Because of the matchups. It was a big game. It was a big game for him twelve a year ago. Three interceptions just under sixty tackles. He's only twenty six. That's another thing. I love about bradberry. The abilities developed to be a savvy. Experience Guy is right in front of him two teams. I think we're definitely going to be aggressive for services number one. The New York jets. We talked about losing tremaine Johnson trying to find an ideal number one corner. I think the jets going to be heavy at the cornerback market. You know. We're trying to find a guy we talked about Chris Harris Could be a player that they could be trying to target as well but the jets they're willing to spend that money that Briberies looking to get that thing anywhere between fifteen and sixty million per year. That's is a target point. I think the jets but I think the jets will lose out to the Washington redskins and the reason why I say Washington. They have a new hitman. Incharge riverboat run and you know who drafted bread very and Carolina. Run RUN no question. They just let go and I know they experience experiment with the Old Carolina. Path the Corner Josh. Norman didn't go as plan but I think we're run respects. Bradbury's a guy that has the discipline guys tackling guy all around type of corner and they need to find out who their number one corner is and. I think that would be the I do destination. I talked earlier about not being able to go into familiar situation right. You know bradberry understands what riverboat. Ron Likes to do how he goes about his business. And the same can be said for coach. Ron and James Bradbury is a player so the washed risking could be in place to go out and spend a lot of money for James Bradberry and just to add on to your point about James Bradberry and who had to play last year. The panthers also played this. Houston Texans so deandre Hopkins and The Green Bay packers both on the roads. Davante Adams so if you take eight of his games and I don't think he's shattered one hundred percent of the time but he was on the top guys. I I would have thought seventy five percent blindly. I think it was really high like if you watch the tape. Just just covered him a lot. Julio Jones Twice Mike Evans Twice Michael Thomas Twice Deandre Hopkins and Devante out of it. Like you can't breathe if you're just like go man made it that week with against Julio like okay. Who's up next. It's like Oh really Michael Thomas Okay Cool. I think in fact he had devante. Julio Jones and Michael Thomas in back to back weeks back to back to back weeks screw that that's hard work man see the thing like you said well even if he was not called to follow those guys. He's seeing them encourage at least fifty percent snaps. Yeah for sure and just a headache. Yeah I get. I blindly throwing seventy five percent number. So don't don't go with that we're GONNA. It's the edge rushers rack short time. So we're GONNA jump straight to the linebackers and Taito them really quickly. Let me know if anybody pops out as a name for you First of all It's likely that Bud depre- Matthews's technically linebackers but guys we'll discuss Pete PRISCO during tomorrow's show They're likely going to be tagged but Blake Martinez Jamie Collins Calvin da Joe Schubert and Cory Littleton. It's not the linebacker class like the The Middle Linebacker. It's just not it's not like it. It sort of a devalued position in the two thousand twenty. Nfl in the first place. There's just not a eye-popping class per se. Yeah based on the names but one name. I tell. You probably will see some new money as Martinez Blake Martinez. A tackling machine used unsung hero for the packers defense. You know Mike Patton Lousy Incorporate Blake Martinez. Not just in the blitz concept but also in the passing game. He's a Kuala T. Three down inside linebacker so he fits that ideal three four scheme there in Green Bay. Well I don't think he will leave. I think worse case scenario they've maybe would consider franchise him but I think late March late with the names. You mentioned Blake Martinez Guy. He tackles everything everything Calvin noise is interesting to note because typically speaking I think in the last fifteen years a guy like Calvin Oy would not be paid a lot in the open market because he's a sort of a different like the Patriots. Use Him in a different way than most teams have traditionally used a linebacker but because of the infiltration of the Patriots who various offices. Whether it's Tennessee or Detroit. Or Houston like you can see Calvin having a pretty good market in my opinion. So yeah I agree with the IB MAC. This awesome discussion defensive backs and Free Agency. Party is the most important unit. You know what I mean I. I can't be biased. There's other good units and just let me know whenever you WanNa chop it up again. `Bout Defensive Backs. We can do this every day but if you WANNA go ahead and get my thoughts about some of the other guys. I hope to talk to you every week for the rest of time. You're not getting paid. 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