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James Allison: Immune to Failure

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James Allison: Immune to Failure

"This is not an episode about Willie Nelson though that is him singing on this bootleg recording. No this is a story about the gentlemen playing Harmonica Willie Nelson at that concert. He's an amateur musician named James Allison or as most people call him. Jim Because me doc now so I play a lot of times so have you talked to him since he won the Nobel Prize. A play with it but I haven't really talked hasn't played with the Nobel Prize winner before adult. Yep Jim Allison Dr. Jim Allison is a biochemist in immunologist and a winner of the two thousand Eighteen Nobel prize and yes of course playing with Willie Nelson has been one of the highlights of his life but winning the Nobel for developing an entirely new cancer treatment. That has saved hundreds of thousands of lives and counting. Well there's no topping the APP Jim Allison and the key discovery. That opened the door for successful immunotherapy on this episode of what it takes a podcast about passion vision and perseverance from the Academy of Achievement. I'm Alice Winkler at a main. This child is gifted and I heard that enough that I started to believe if you have the opportunity not a perfect opportunity and you don't take it. You may never have another chop it. All was so clear it was just like the picture started to form. Itself was new wing. Which ally could prevail over the truth darkness over light their life every day? I wake up and decide today. I'm going to love my life. Decide decide if they're going to break a leg or it's when you go in play stay out of their off and then along companies differential experiences. But you don't look for you. Don't plan for the boy better. Not Miss Him. Jim Allison is a serious hard working guy. He came up with a new treatment for cancer for goodness sake but he likes to play hard to as he will tell you. The harmonica should have given you one hint on that front. He actually plays and sings into all scientists bands. The bigger of two the one with a horn section is called the checkpoints. They play mostly at medical conferences and do note that name the checkpoints because its significance will become clear a little later in this. If favorite song that the band plays several. My favorite is king. Baby I liked. I like muddy waters whereas old king be buzzing around your Hive Tamil King be baby buzzing around your hive together. We can make honey baby. Let me inside you know. Then it goes from there Mary. Jordan Washington Post correspondent by day is the person who interviewed Jim. Allison for the Academy of Achievement in the fall of two thousand nineteen. Mary warmed up with some questions about music before hitting the hard science and she really wanted to get to the bottom of the Willie. Nelson story turns out he. I played with Willie long before his star. Turn IN CANCER RESEARCH. It was in the nineteen seventies and he was doing a post doc in San Diego at the Scripps Clinic Playing Music. Two nights a week at a local club one day Willie Nelson came through town for a party thrown for him by Columbia records. One of the policemen the through the band. Tell me about this party. Because they were kept plotting security for it and he said you WANNA come. I'll get chance crashed. The party went up to Williams. The police help the doctor crash. The party Willie Nelson so so anyway so after you know after trinity was Tammy Wynette. I don't remember who knows Waylon Jennings. I think just each did a couple of songs and tributes there really finished and then I went up and just introduce myself said. Hey I've seen you hundred times in Austin anyways so strange because you say oh you live here and I said and he says well I got off and I'd like to play some music someplace. Second pick because he had his job on his bass player with him so I said sure. It's not down stingray and You know which I play that I was supposed to play said the singer that the next night you bought Willie Nelson Amateur Diet so we piled into my Volkswagen bus. You know drove up. We he was in San Diego. Actually we were in North County. So we drove up to the stingray and went in and and as luck would have it. This guy was supposed to sing. Sing in what we saw last crying in the rain and I walked in with really and this guy just about fanshawe after a while you know there were about eight people in this club you know. So we got up was based at a big devil read harmonica one one song or them and then sat down and they started plying pay for about three hours and it was pre- seventy some. This is pretty cell phone days with those. Never forget there was one payphone on the ball and people kept calling by the time. Willie I really cranking placers pack a number of years later Willie Nelson's actual harmonica player. Mickey Raphael Read An Article. About Jim Allison's research the article mentioned that Allison was a huge Willie Nelson Fan and had once even gotten to play with them. And so I got an email from this guy could've said hey you know what other word could do on it anytime you. WanNa play this. Come and sit in. At first the offer was too intimidating but the two harmonica players became email friends and eventually Jim Allison took him up on the offer several times. Mary asked Jim. Allison when he's on stage. What is it he thinks about? Most of the time God delivery blow it ex note you know by the time I was playing Austin city limits. They invited me to play with really awesome. Which was this huge festival there. Seventy thousand people in the audience and Someone out and played this time. It was Willie's hottest railway up and smoke me when I'm gone so I was say that whole Monica lead. That with Mickey I mean he was GonNA play one. I was GONNA play another and I'd just I blew out in the middle of it so pissed off it. So walking back to make bustard onset teams. I can't believe that he said Jab Jab Jab. You're the scientist. I'm the harmonica players. I want you to make mistakes mistakes. You just keep in mind what you're supposed to be doing. You're just having fun here. Don't take this stuff seriously but Jim Allison is pretty driven and for him these two pursuits. Research and music aren't entirely different with abandoned. Been playing. It's just something you know it's It's a little bit like doing science but not I mean very different in a way but similar everybody you know you got all these guys. And they're doing their own staff and then you get together and when it's all click it's amazing when is all clicking? So let's talk about science. When did you I know you wanted to be scientists? Say by the time it's about eighth grade scientist or or Dr Most. Certainly I mean. I didn't really know what science was then. Of course he knew enough though. He had a chemistry set and a microscope and he lived on the edge of town. I love the name of Alice. Texas where he often went into the woods to collect frogs and other things which he would dissect when he got back home. I was alone after. My mom died Yeah my dad anyway. I spent a lot of time alone. I was lucky enough to have some counselors who semi off to Austin during the summers to family. There's almost pasta family. I stayed with and attend classes in. Ut Austin that was my escape Kinda got seaboard. It's not that. Alice was a terrible price with except they wouldn't teach evolution and a high school. That was a big problem case in point. I had this teacher who was fantastic. One of the best. He can make math. Physics Chemistry Guy was the best teacher. Ever had biology. Nothing you know. And they say biology for last and Texas by then by the time I was coming up to take it. I'd I'd experienced policy. I've actually got it. A special program worked at a lab. You Know Research Lab at UT Austin one summer after my junior year in high school. And and I'd read be read Darwin and I'm not particularly but I don't see that I just don't see a problem but but I but I did see a problem with that because I said you can't. You can't teach biology without ideas of dollar anymore. You teach physics. The ideas of I mean. How do you make any sense of it? Do you believe in God. Yeah I guess so I mean I don't know I don't believe he's running everything all the time I mean but maybe I don't know who created anything I mean maybe I mean I don't know how they started. I mean I mean to me. That's not relevant. I mean we're supposed to do we're supposed to do right. I mean what is it we supposed to do. I think is just do good. You know I think every person just has an obligation to pass the world and make it a better place for you but for other people as well. It's your obligation but I I got big problems and high school because I refuse to take the course and So if I take the course because teach evolution and what happened when you refuse to told me I was GONNA Finish High School. I couldn't get my degree. Well what are we going to do? His Dad who was a country doctor backed him up and they somehow worked it out with the school system. Though Mr Arrear that science teacher who was teaching physics at the time made life pretty unpleasant for the remainder of the year. What effect do you think it had that you lost your mother when you were young Well it was first of all it was was pretty hard every one of the things that realize so much time but I have since then a lot I mean prolong times i. It's it's kind of red though. I don't really have any memories of her except her dying because I was holding her hand died and although I was nine ten ten years old and I should've I don't know I just before that he's over. It died of cancer star Lymphoma. I didn't know at the time either because people talk about it back. Then you know Cancer Hush Hush it should be radiation therapy for quite a while require you know. She's always thought it was always burned. Saw Her brother was diagnosed shoe after she died. Her brother was diagnosed melanoma on time. Still I mean there was no cure. So he's back. You refused their ops. That our oldest brother who was a rancher jacket Rolla bulldogs with one hand. Not as hard as he paid for the long cancer. But you know he had chemo. I got Saw Him occasionally to in an oxygen tent reduced from his huge full alive cowboy this sacred bones. Anyway I got this so you saw cancer really up close and what. How was eating people killing people and you yourself had cancer three times actually luckily my brushes with cancer. They've been taught early. My eye prostate cancer off. I have two brothers. Middle Brother died of it. All three of us have prostate cancer and Mine was caught pretty early but his was so severe and so rapid that Normally probably would have just waited but time they decided the best thing to do is take it out. Even though they could have probably waited a year or two made a decision. You WanNa take a chance given how fast your brother's progress so so. When did you decide you know? I WANNA BE CANCER. You know the asset a lot. I think that was always seminole or something you know but it's not that I said I'm going to cure cancer. I got into science. I said I WANNA. I really wanted to find something. I was interested in when I was in graduate school. I did a one of my projects. Did doing my page directly on on how to treat cancer but ultimately I decided that wasn't GonNa go that route. I got into the immune system Trained in chemistry biochemistry and took a course algae when I was in cal- undergraduate and heard about this paper. Actually the Max Brand Jacques Miller and these two guys did were but these guys discovered two components the system b cells and t cells. And I said I gotta get into this understand this. This is the coolest thing I've ever heard about all this work. That's come from. There's and they're just now. Getting record is the week before this interview. In fact Max. Cuper and Jacques Miller were awarded the lasker prize the most prestigious science prize. In the United States apprise Jim Allison one in two thousand fifteen aurora. Maximum voter. Can't believe my work. Everybody Springs from yours. Can you explain to the people listening? You Know How. Your cancer cure works. Yeah so it's not that hard people have been you know your immune system of course has the ability particularly T. cells to detect. When there's something wrong and I say that I mean because that kid include infections you know I mean it's just a very good obviously at detecting when you've got a virus infection or you got bacteria and dealing with them and they know how to deal with the bacteria not hurt your cells and that's the fascinating thing about him and they do. This is recognized. Not Self which is it. Sounds like a complicated thing. But basically they know that that immune system as receptors that enables it figure out when there's something going on inside a cell that shouldn't be there they don't need to know what it is but just out to be there at some new And Way that works is pretty fast. They're these receptors generated individually on different T. cells to probably got somewhere around fifty million different ones. And you maybe maybe a hundred. Nobody knows for sure but they each can recognize something different but when they recognize something. That shouldn't be either like a virus infected cell. They'll recognize can recognize things. That virus causes the cell to make. That aren't no you and they respond to that by expanding from a small number two a lot and then killing it so we've got these hunting. Tens of millions of different sow such. You've got a diverse repertoire. Of course then you've got to get hundreds of thousands of one or two or whatever it is that can help you. That's the cool part of the immune system because that's where the critical switches t-cells see something and it's got to quickly generate hundred thousand copies of itself. You know so that you get the army to go and swarm around your body go through all your tissues and look for stuff and hopefully kill it so they could do that to cancer as well. Your innovation was the antibody. Well it was to figure out people understood that process. You know. T-cells recognized expand. They do their function. The contract you know most of them die and then you end up with some that. Are there for the rest of your life. I mean that's the really cool thing about immune system is because once it develops you've got it for the rest of your life these renewing t-cells key. Nobody really understand what starter they thought it was. Just switch you flip it and so nine hundred eighty two we worked out the structure of the Antigen receptor. Which is the molecule like? Ignition switch in the car. That's that thing that there's you know. Tens of millions of difference in your body and people thought well you just flip that and that's it so the people that have been trying for decades to vaccinate people in failed hundreds of failed trials just trying to back because they really didn't appreciate that you can't just there is no single switch is flipped it takes turns out. There's a gas paddle wheelers another signal that it's a way of keeping your safe from. Tc does get back to when they ought to. So for the T. cells to spring into action when they detect something awry in other cells of the body. They need the right signal to get them. Started the ignition. And they need a secondary signal the gas pedal but what was the next step that there was a break. This was the key thing. There's another molecule that nobody had found before really expected impact. There is a molecule that people thought was another gas pedal. But we used to. We showed that it was Nah. It was actually a break. Because when those t cells you it gets the first two signals. Divide not crazy so you go from. I don't know making these numbers up ten to five hundred thousand cells in a week. You can't let that keep going. You know you've got to have a way of stopping that it'll kill you and You know I mean you can't do body can't put all the energy and everything just producing those t cells in probably do. What are they go? You know you. Can't you gotTa Stop That in control? And that's what this molecule does except in cancer kicks in prematurely for you know I can go into the race but but that's basically what we've found but and also told us as it's turned on when the gets those other two signals so when people try to immunize naming is aiming is what we figured out was after about the first you know few times I mean. Is there actually turning on the brakes off the gas pedal? That's why didn't work because the TESOL goes into this. Let's stop now pays anyway. We found out how to stop that just disabled the brakes time. So that's what we do is and and Mice I had to do is just inject this one. Antibody that interferes with that breaking mechanism. That's the main system. Keep going for as long as that drugs around the T. cells could just keep going going and they just keep killing tumors and so in mice. We could have dejected. And of course like about it was the kind of cancer doesn't matter because you're not treating the cancer. The work had nothing to do with cancer. Nothing directly to do with cancer because it was really basic research into how the immune system operates to reiterate. What kicks it into high gear. And what tells it when it's time to shut down you now? I asked you to remember the name of Jim. Allison's band well now's your moment that molecule and the T. cell which signals the body's immune system to step on the breaks. It's called a checkpoint and the medicine that James Allison eventually developed to disable those breaks is called a checkpoint inhibitor. It used to be the kind of cancer out now. Are you burned to cut it out or poisoning right and now? Instead of radiation or chemo or surgery. You're trying to turn the immune system to kill the immune system. Do the job without doing any of that other stuff. Mary Jordan asked. Jim Allison to tell the story of that breakthrough moment when he realized that. Disabling the breaks on the immune system with an antibody has the potential to revolutionize cancer treatment at a new guy. The lab and I wrote out exact experiment for him to go do this which was nice to inject half of them with this antibody. We'd made and the other one's not you know they came back and show you this. Data basically said all the mice got the antibody alive and don't have tumors all the ones that didn't get it. Or Dad they died of these big tumors and there's a lot of data for the middle just said now this can't be right. You know this cat this possible. Were just messing with one molecule out of everything that's going on. How much time passed went from the injection to win about two weeks? Today's two weeks because that's how I think maybe it could work but you said No. It couldn't be that experiment. Unfortunately I didn't watch it all the way through he. Just show me the results at the end. I just said I started asking him so cautious. He could ascertain has said. You GotTa do this again. First of all it's really important experience He shouldn't have been there while he should have known what was in the mice. You should blinded you know somebody else should read but this one you know. You'd need statistics in the area. They're all dead. They're all alive when there was no question about little differences. Well no he said I said you said you gotTa do this again and he said well it's Thanksgiving and I'm going to go see my girlfriend Europe and it takes a long time. I said no no. This is potentially the biggest thing I mean. This result is the most spectacular thing I've ever seen and this is not gonNA wait till February. So here's what we're GONNA do. You'RE GONNA go set up the experiment and then you go whatever you WanNa do and you just show me where the mice are housed and numbers. And that's it. I'll take I'll take that cover it from how I'll go. Measure the tumors. I'll go away the mice. Get the calipers do all that and this land is where Berkeley Berkeley. And so every day you went in and looked at every other day and and Anyway I started from the start checking every couple of days and I couldn't tell the difference and I was beginning to get really bummed. How did he county? Screw this up. You know because the tumors were getting pretty big and you know I didn't know I was. What except that everybody's saying you know and then I think it was Christmas or something. And I. I don't my family's gotTA WANNA be depressed. Skipped a couple of radio which you know do you know and but then I went in and clearly a similar the mice you know the terrorists had stopped. That Ha- got back on schedule was in there. Every forty eight hours and sure enough and did you know then how big much at that point said. Okay and there is always it. Just this tumor. Oh is it just this cat and mouse or is it? How many more are we spent two years doing every mouse model and we can find every kind of mouse and they didn't all work but they all work if we added something to allow Cattle Chemo. And we just did a lot of messing around very exciting. Yeah except that. I was trying to convince a company to do it work. They wouldn't do it. They say Oh anybody could cure cancer in mice or therapy will ever work. Berkshire mice never worked in human. So nobody all that time. I was trying to find somebody to help us get it into humans lettuce. Nobody was interested. Jim Allison was not about to give up. Though he knew he was onto. Something big really really big and he'd come across a lot of detractors. Before you you've said if somebody tells me I can't do something I don't deal with it very well. Said Amir system will never work. I said well you'd have done it right now. I guess we don't understand it well enough now to say that but what I did know. Is that the way that other people are doing. I said it's promising. It's away buying time. There's nothing wrong with making people's tumors disappeared for six weeks six months here. But if you know it's GONNA COME BACK. That's not satisfying telling you you know you're foolish to be pursuing. Most everybody I went to that was invited in two thousand six as you know the Mecca of cancer research. Long Time tells big harbor Jimmy Johnson's labs. There had been cancer meeting periodically where everybody gets together. It's summit of cancer. Jim Watson as in Dr James Watson the person who identified with Francis Crick the double helix structure of DNA. So I was invited to give out of their opening dogs and thought out. They're going to listen to me just talking to us about friends. You know. It's not gonNA listen to you. They hate this stuff you know they. They start naming off this guy. This guy this guy this guy. They're going to be sitting in the front row and they hate this. Mu -nology stuff. Those other scientists the ones in the front row. They were mostly working on another approach to treating cancer. When that uses small molecules to block the growth and spread of mutated cells ideas works. It is correct except that cells have more than one mutation. They could have hundreds of mutations per cell so you go after one and they'll be another one that'll pop up do jog. Does it work and then you got to do it again. And then by the end the tour genetically unstable and you'll never cure cash that way. What does resistance feel like when you're working on something you think? Hey I think this is promising. Immunotherapy is the way to go. How does it manifest? Do they mock you in other peer articles or just at about that time? I'd submitted an article actually was right at that time. As a matter of fact any rest they were back into review. I told it was going to have attitude because I'm going to contrast what we're trying to do with what everybody else is trying to do. The make it a scientific case for what you guys do at work so some extent. It'll never be cured whereas what we're doing can be inherited but anyway I got to be his back. There were pretty good but I had a friend on editorial board he said. How'd you like to use for you? And it was accepted. Heads active us. I said they were fine. Why he said. What do you mean they were fine? I said they were fine. Good good secretive. He said but how many do you guys to say whatever three though as well the third would say he said well. It said that he had always been crap and we should never wasted he pages this anymore and journal. It always failed. It was never gonNA work and so they shouldn't even publish your paper and I'll just for that reason. What is your reaction will. He couldn't complain too much. Because apparently the editor just threw that one away published. Anyway you know because I wasn't particularly help review but no but seriously isn't it wrote who wrote that but at this particular meeting I was warned. You know and it shouldn't happen. I looked at the program. Was the only allergist speaking to ten days list. I was the only at the media and I was sure from what people tell me because I didn't know these guys. Well that you know. He told me we're going to be on the front row. Who are by the way on the front row and had is GONNA kill me in barbecue or I. can't you know this is. This is not good and So I really went toward trouble for that presentation. Have read this out. I said I know you guys think that this is all about the snake. Oil is never going to work. The plays just suspend your disbelief for few months. Give me a chance to talk to you about this mechanism. What regulates in responses so. I went through. Showed them what they're used to as the molecules and how you can manipulate it and all this and then went into the clinical data. So the next day Jim Watson came up to me says Jim. You almost convinced me. Commune System does something as the giants. Almost all the way he's been he's a big supporter now. I've talked a lot. James Watson is certainly not the only skeptic who's come around to appreciate the immunotherapy approach James Allison. Success is undeniable. How many doctors are people are now using? What you kind of your advancement in the fighting in cancer. Oh there's hundreds of thousands of patients have been treated Robbie there's doubt tens of I mean everybody uses it. The first human patients to participate in a drug trial using James Allison treatment had melanoma skin cancer and that was for a number of reasons one because it was well established that t cells try to kill melanoma that's not true of all other tumors by the way but it is the case with melanoma and the problem is that the. T. cells step on the breaks before they can finish the job with Jim Allison's innovation to disable the brakes the prognosis for melanoma patients has drastically changed. The first drug to get tested. Which is now in. Widespread use is a mouthful. It's called it balloon mob or its brand name your Voi-. There are fewer diagnosed. So we started this word. If you'RE A dog does stage. Four melanoma the the median life expectancy being fifty percent. People would be dead within seven months and there wasn't any drug that ever pull on that at all. My brother died at thirty seven with melanoma. And they there was nothing there was nothing then and that was twenty five years ago today. Well when we went into the first trial and they still consulting with the company is doing this but I mean it was I I mean I was part of the group I guess but it would meet obviously doing it but but anyway there were fourteen seven seventeen people I think in the first child three of them their tumors shrank one woman Had been given a few months to live and she was one of the first. You know to get the drug in a safety child- Her tumors completely away within about three months that was in two thousand and one. She still alive I I saw. I met her in two thousand eleven when she came in for a first decade checkup but the follow up since the thousands and thousands of people that have been treated. And there's a study with ten years follow up and if you get a single round of treatment with the drug and you got melanoma you got a little over twenty percent chance of being alive. Ten years plus lighter just flat. Nobody dies after three years since they know about the second checkpoint drug came along several years later and it's looking even more promising but is it a cure. Mary Jordan asked can cancer be cured? Well it depends on how you define care. I mean. This is very difficult and pretentious and controversy where it's used to freely sometimes wet. When will it stopping the deadly? That's an excellent question I think but let's break it down so melanoma now the data that we have says that somewhere approaching sixty percent well over half of patients are likely to live a decade or more after they're treated. I think that's a cure. You can't call it a cure until the first five years. Technically you can't people say you can't ever say people are cured of their cancer until until you know that there's not a single cancer cell anybody that's possible criteria and. I think it's a disservice to the patients because I know patients now Quite a number that are three four or five years old their tumors have all gone away. And the doctor say you've got a manageable disease. Chronic disease not very comforting to the patients. I can tell you that but that's fine. I mean until we get data but now we know as I said. Studies of thousands of patients statistics. Show that after about three years essentially nobody dies of melanoma and so I think after five six seven years you could tell the people you're cured go on about it and I don't care if they've got a spot on their cat scan. You know people say well. There's still a silent or cats go. Which is the you know the goal static. Except if you go. Bob See those. They're not cancer. They're scarred tissue where the war was breast cancer dot. There's beginning to be some responses. But it hasn't responded. Well that's why I say we can't melanomas the farthest along now. What else melanoma kidney bladders doing very well lungs doing pretty well. Hodgkin's lymphoma I'll people with a certain mutation response rates eighty percent you know a millions and millions of people that would have died. Twenty five years ago are not now potential here. I. It's hard I can't get numbers. How many been treated hundreds of thousands of now some cancers? We can cure a lot of the people will never. I don't think you're all catch. I think that what is happening now is that we're for for for the first time. By the way you know the pillars of cancer therapy or you know ever been for surgery. Cut It out then. Radiation came along historically and then chemotherapy starting in the fifties and getting better with the German. Genomic things those all work to some extent in some cancers. They've got a lot of particular radiation and Chemo have a lot of toxicities associated with them. So does that mean to therapy. But it's a lot less but now we got four pillars of cancer therapy. Algae and a cool thing about it is it can be used with all of the others if future he believes will be in figuring out the right combination of Chemo or radiation and immunotherapy in the right ratio for the right tumor. That's what he is working on with his wife. Padma Nisharma another very prominent cancer researcher. And just a side note in case you're wondering they'd been working together for quite a while before he popped. The question as only a scientist might probably wouldn't acid. You know nobody else can stand us because all we do is talk about. T. Cells all the time so I might as well get married. She said Oh. Yeah okay. That's kind of the way it went. Jim Allison and Padma Nisharma run a lap together called the immunotherapy platform at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. They have a third partner by the way who's also the keyboard player for the checkpoints. And I should probably mention here if it's not clear that Jim Allison is not a physician. He studied biochemistry and he has a PhD. But but all all the medicine stuff. I mean you know. I resented science and Rafael. Wanted me to be a doctor so I started as premed. But then he took organic chemistry which he thought would be about the beauty of building compounds by knowing the rules of structure instead. It was all memorization and it did him in would he? Later learned was that they teach it that way intentionally for medical students finally figured out what position has to do is get all these facts and get them in their head. So the the see patient they can look at what's going on you know. See how the patient presents what symptoms Tetra. No the different options downsides etcetera etcetera and. Bring them to bear that patient. Better be right because if they're wrong you know the least that'll happen is they won't help them. It might hurt him with me. A while to really figured out. Science is very different scientist. You're supposed to be wrong. You know 'cause you're supposed to ask a question. Nobody knows the answer to and then try to answer and if you get the right answer it's probably a stupid question you know. It's probably not very interesting question. So the heart of the question more yet to be wrong in China answer. I would rather go where I don't know exactly what's over there now. I mean that's the I've done science. It's risky that's how the that's other big reinisch way and the tough question. Jim Allison has been asking since nineteen eighty two is. What are the earliest signals? The precise mechanisms that urge a T. Cell to go from sitting there doing nothing to killing tumor cells. What starts that process. He still working on that question. Almost forty years later though alongside the trash heap of wrong answers. He's found some very right ones. Do you think because cancer has taken so much from you so many close family members that somehow this is more personal. Your your work. I think it's it's gotten that way. They said it was kind of always there. You know because my mother and my uncles but but It was it was sorta underneath everything you need to do. But I was going to go at it now. Just WanNa go directly of. Its face if his personal run-ins with cancer weren't enough motivation. He's now had a decade of run INS with people whose lives he has saved a pretty rare and gratifying honor for a research scientist. He recounts the first time it happened in two thousand six. I guess which was well. After the phase phase weather show that it worked. You know that we were on the right. Track can never tumors just melted. You know Complete responses I mean. That's what the stories about the whole. Tumor goes away everywhere in the body. Everything if it's a complete response I mean that's the definition and so we saw out of that. But you know it wasn't there you have to do this. Study's proper ways but his to get registration but just while there was expository step There's one woman that I met She was twenty two years old and Sharon Belvin. She allows me to talk about this actually encourages but anyway she was twenty. Two just finish. College was engaged started feeling tired in turned out. She didn't have the typical kind of melanoma but our brain and lungs but riddled with it. She had thirty two. I think long metastasis centimeter and a half to our brain and You know so. She went to Stone Kettering jedwabne chocolates. Her position there who's part worked with him a lot Anyway she got a miraculous studied just gotten engaged in so they told her. There's nothing you know. We'll try some stuff but said is experimental and so she decided So there would have had gotten married. I mean right when she was starting chemotherapy when she failed. Wise fail this. She failed everything they threw at it and finally said you know we're done hospice. You know we we just got a few months but now you qualify for this child with this new drug. Ap Liberal Man. It took Sharon Belvin three or four months to respond to the drug. She was coming back in for a checkup after this treatment. And Scans the path allergist called him and said. I think there's a mistake because she doesn't have any cancer prepared that compared that with the previous visit and she had thirty one long. Madsen the Brian. It's all gone and So Jed was really happy to call her and she came showed up at his clinic with you know her parents are husband and then the guy that developed its hair you. WanNa meet him and she said Yeah so. He Calls Me. You know he says. Hey Jim Coming Clinton said come on. I'm busy and he's not come on my office though absent. Upper East New York City York City in the outpatient clinic was twenty blocks away or something and so I said okay. I'll go. It's a day and I'll walk you over these people in the room and this woman. She's very big. She's taller. She grabbing picked me out when she worked out. Every show was crush my ribs. It was amazing it but her husband was there and everybody started fine hugging. You start crying. I was mad I encountered I was walking back to that lab thinking. Jesus you know the mice all the time but they bite me pee on me. You know. They don't care of course gave it to him in the first place. So guess what does it feel like to melt away tumors and allow people to live. It's hard to say I mean that's what it's all about. The day she went on. You know I mean. I've kept in touch with her fourteen years now and But she taught me a lot about the other side of it. A lot about this thing about conic is anyway. Her doctor says not a good idea if you'd have children now she's twenty four twenty five. She said what you know. Screw Melanie I'm going to have kids anyway. You know so. She's got two kids now. Wow Jewish actually went to Stockholm in other words. She joined him when he went to receive the Nobel prize which he shared by the way with a Japanese scientist named Taku. Honjo rumors had been swirling for several years. The James Allison would win. His name had even appeared in bedding magazines that give gambling odds for Nobel's who knew when his turned finally came in two thousand eighteen. He was at a hotel and a conferences wife was attending most Nobel call. Stories are pretty similar but this one had a glitch at about seven in the morning the phone rang but it was not the Nobel Committee. It was his son said. Dad Dad won the Nobel Prize. What somehow they didn't have my right number. Alabel Committee but my son got up early to watch the press conference. Oh my gosh so you didn't actually get a call. They even announced on TV. Apparently they're having trouble. Finding man was sick or died or something about an hour later with the help of PR person from the MD. 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38: James Allison: For an engineer, F1 is an unending work of invention and skill

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38: James Allison: For an engineer, F1 is an unending work of invention and skill

"Hi, I'm James Allison. And you're listening to beyond the grade. Hello, everyone Thome clocks in here. And welcome. Once again to be on the grid presented by Bose quite comfort. Thirty five to wireless headphones this week. I'm speaking to one of the most thoughtful and take your people in one during his thirty year career as an engineer. He's worked for most of the big guns in the pit lane, including Ferrari, Reynaud and of late Mercedes. I'm talking about the silver arrows technical director. James Allison now, you won't find a more modest man in the pit lane James doesn't like to be singled out from the team around him. But that's what we're gonna do. In this episode with a record breaking four one twos to start the twenty nine hundred season Mercedes of raised the bomb once again, both technically and peration Louis and James should take much of the credit for that. Even if he'd always immediately deflect it back to those around him we could up at Mercedes HQ in Brackley where we had the chance to spend a good hour face to face. I can safely say that. He didn't this appoint get ready for some fascinating insights into the winning machine. That is the modern silver arrows along with some cracking anecdotes about Lewis, Hamilton, Valerie, bots and more. James, welcome to be only. Great. It's lovely savvy on the show, and what a fantastic time to be here in Brackley just after the Azerbaijan grown pre. There's a buzz about this place. You guys are going this year. This year. We are in quite well, but you might not believe it within like an arrow two of winning a race you start worrying about the next one. So the happiness is there bubbling away in the background. But mostly it's just just thanks. Excitement to tennis. Happens after race. Does it Bubalo in the foreground? I mean, do you guys come does the champagne flow on a Monday after victory? The you really can tell when you walk in e you could not watch the weekend. You could come in the factory and know, whether we had done well or not because the mood of the of the building is is palpable. So you can you confirm. Sure say when we've had a good on and people will will be full of smiles and and team gained to meet your eye. And you know, the just just a an energy to the place in terms of formal things that we do when we win we do give an address champagne during the debrief that we have in front of the whole staff during the day, but there isn't sort of riotous celebration. One of my take home things from the the backer grown pre was that first corner between voucher and Lewis. And I think it does beg the question. Are you nervous that the good vibes between those two if they if it does become a championship fight between them could it get a bit edgy incredibly nervous, the as they jostle for position on the track where necessarily they get very very close to one another. You're very nervous that neither of them is making a misjudgment might lead to them touching. And then, you know, the disaster that follows from that, but we're all very conscious that huge asset for this team over the last couple of seasons and over the beginning of this one has been the relationship between our two drivers. They know it we know it and all of us would like that to stay the way it is. But we also know that the dynamic between drivers. And the team is fragile thing and needs nurturing. So I think the whole team is very conscious of the need to preserve that, including the drivers themselves because they know it works for everybody. Okay. And looking at the bigger picture four one two consecutive one one-twos this year. How do you guys continue to raise the ball? Well, that's not a one word on, sir. Those thousand people here just practically in this in a very large operation down the road in bricks with as well covering the broadest range of disciplines and all of this team has been been enjoying a period of Nero unprecedented. Success in the sport that success is certainly not an accident. But it isn't down to one thing. It's down to just hundreds and hundreds and thousands of of things that all add up to the competence that you see on the track. But we have had a few things that have been strongly in our favor. We've got a brilliant driver line-up. We have extremely good level of of budget from. From all our partners. And and from our owners. We have a sort of maturity in the team they had a degree of stability. That is extremely unusual. Normally a team that has been a successful as they get get systematically picked apart by by our competitors. Who want to both have good people? And also disrupt the team in the process we've we've enjoyed stability for long along period of the core part of the team and preps above all else. The team has really really cared about not being complacent and about being having humility the sound very soft in in a world reform, which is quite a sort of bustling hard-edged world. Sometimes the softness of of saying where we have humility when we're not gonna get complacent such a weapon if you can really live that out rotten just say the words. Then than it means that it's true that that a few hours off to after glorious one-two in back. You you start worrying about the next one and start thinking, well, you know, we were fortunate this weekend in some regards. It was a lovely lovely end result. But let's remember full races. Only two of those races where we really strong the other two one. We should've taken a pasting in back who we could easily have been beaten, and we're about to go to Spain where we got an absolute roosting in in winter testing. So that humidity is in the bones of of the place, and it's it's a very very strong asset, and it comes from the top from people. Like you TOTO. It will foot. It's embedded across the company. But it is it is certainly lead from the front by TOTO. And there's a critical mass of people who who really truly believe it that allows the the whole organization. Imbued with that spirit. And how much designing the you do now as the technical boss or you purely managing people are do precisely none. And in fact, it's one of the things that makes me so uncomfortable. When people talk about, you know, this is your last year. It was my first full year in the team. This is the first Alison car, and he just cringe internally because because although the sport puts personalities, but they put a face to a team and buy through that face. People can sort of talk about team the truth is that each individual plays. The smallest smallest role in thing like this. And I just set you do know designing numb I hope I play a part in the team is is worth my salt. But the idea that a single person is the architect of a car is just around Monson. So seriously, do you bounce from meeting to meeting trying to stay with different departments? Not quite no I do bounce from meeting to meeting. The probably half to two thirds of my working life is attending meetings and to in some of those meetings. They are key decision making meetings where the people in that meeting are trying to set up some of the strategic things that will sort of set are still for the coming races and the coming seasons, and in that I clearly have a voice, but I'm one voice amongst many, experienced engineers and only when when there is just no obvious direction emerging that we can coalesce around. I do I actually end up parents came off we're going to do this. But luckily a team like this with the the quality and quantity of people in the have been doing awhile have good judgment. And and are not ego driven most of the time that. That's a these decisions make themselves and all the necessaries that we will just we'll just put our shoulders to the wheel. And how different is compared to. I don't know when you're Larousse head Aveiro Larousse what ninety three hundred ninety three ninety four. I mean, like how many people you said there are thousand people here at BRAC year. How many people were in the whole of the Larousse form Lunde? The twenty five years ago. Well, it was it with the Larousse Formula one team is divided into parts through as a race team. And then there was a technical office. And the the race team was a French racing team owned run by jarred Larousse. And he commissioned the manufacturing design of the car to a small officer engineers in Bisther who Larousse UK, and I think through about. Remember the precise numbers? Maybe fifteen of us if you include the receptionist who and the arrow department was may and to model makers, and we were of course, truly appalling. Because because you can't be anything other than that with with so few people, but equally truly remarkable to make Formula one car that would actually sometimes finish. Right. It's occasionally still a point when the points down to sick place with with little was a herculean cheapen and an a great enjoyable blast to to be doing that in ninety five or whatever year twenty four twenty five and and and just living the dream great. We say living the dream James why I mean, let's just wind the clock by a little bit. Why Formula one view because tell me if I'm wrong, but? Looking at reading a few things about you've there's no motoracing history in your family. It's much more airplane. Does no motoracing. There's there's lots of machinery and my family, and and a love for things that an kind makes and uses and my dad was a fighter pilot in the air force, and like old cars and bought me up helping him to mend the things that he couldn't really afford to own and used to break quite lot that we used to go flying. What did you fly? You say was a fight. He will when I was blown. He was on Lightning's. Then I guess the majority of the bits. I remember as a boy he was on phantoms. And then after I left home, he moved on tornadoes. So yeah. And it was that the I love for you was aeroplanes. It's at age thirteen what you want to be. When you grow up. You would have said I would've said I would like to be if I two pilot Lima data, but I would have also said, but I'm colorblind, but I'm hoping to cheat my way through the tests if you really well and. Oh, pretty early on when I was ten or eleven. Yeah. 'cause there is a story. A malware of of you trying to as you say cheat your way through the issue Howard test, right? Yeah. So for people Dino initi- Haro test is these tests where there's lots of colored dots. And you try to say what number is is on the colored dots. And if you colorblind you just can't see it about what you can see if you've got a certain type of color blindness as you can see a number. They're trying to spoof you into saying. So typically, they will make a pattern that to a colorblind person looks like a seven let's say, but actually it's a three. And if you look at the top of her number seven, it's got the same shape as number three. But then once he gets halfway down seven thousand three start looking different. And for the colorblind person. They will trace a pattern that only colorblind person can see that makes scream seven at you. And for a noncolored blind person. It's blindingly obvious that is three. So if I saw seven I'd say oh three I'm vice versa. And. And that. Get well that trick can work. But there is a sort of moment of computation and some of them are not as cleanly and clearly translatable as the seven three example. But there is a moment of thinking about it before you say ten even though the test you're supposed to get five seconds. And it's supposed to be done in good light the test is more of a screening process than a definitive test and annoyingly the doctor could see hours doing too much thinking. And so he gave me the definitive test, which I which I failed magnificient. And and so I wasn't allowed to be what I'd hoped I could be and how much of a setback was where it was pretty crushing the time. 'cause 'cause that's what I thought. I'd want to be when I look back on it. Now, I think it was the most awesome blessing because I think the life that I have subsequently been granted to have was just infinitely more diverse enjoyable and challenging and that's not too. Then. Great the the life of a RFID pilot, which is exciting and challenging Alzheimer's. So my dad do it. And and this I think this huge things recommend it. But I've been very very lucky in in. What I've done have had had the best time doing it was quite a pneumatic talented. We was posted all over the world you have to follow him. He was so we had periods in America periods in Lincoln share periods in Norfolk in London in Germany moving jobs on average every two and a half years or so and moving schools with it until to my secondary school age where I my dad, and my mom can't moving around. But but my schooling was constant 'cause I went to boarding school. And I was polishing shoes. I don't know. What what what does what does son of of a military person do for first job at involved in any way? You mean like a casual labour time. My holiday job. I had that always paid for was printing. Because this is one of the Lincolnshire phases. Rural Lincolnshire as a shitload of potatoes to be harvested. And there was I had a job where I got paid one pound per thousand potato sacks printing with a sort of stamp where you put it in the end can then put it on the potato sack printing the name of the type of potato on the sack and that was that was. When we need to go. So the former one thing what happened next. How did you get involved? You went to Cambridge University and studied engineering your, and I was doing a postgraduate year that I wasn't enjoying a loved my undergraduate degree. But once that was over. I started doing a masters didn't really like it that much and thought I'd ra- much rather get a job. Most of my friends were I've had headed off into the city to work there or were planning to and that left me, very cold. And I had been I'd been sponsored through university by Dunlop aviation and at spent my summer holidays, not finding myself in India, but working in Coventry learning how to draw learning how to machine things and having a really brilliant time, actually, and that sponsorship by that company left me utterly convinced that I wanted to be an engineer by good to me, though, they were. I was more attracted to the engineering that was possible inside foam in one than the sort of traditional engineering that was that was possible in some of the other companies in the country. And and I always been a fan of f one and I just thought well, I'm I'm an engineer. I really liked Formula one. I want to stay being an engineer Pratt's if I'm really lucky they might take a look at me. So I wrote a letter that and luckily, go got one reply one one replay from the Benneton, I got one reply from better than what I really wanna know. I got two replies. Got one from McLaren saying, thanks. We've put in in our filing system, and then one from Bennett's and saying what any come down for an interview, and it turned out that my application had arrived on their desk as the first of many people applying for jobs that coincidentally they had advertised that week in order sport for a junior draughtsman. And so my my letter which was pitched nicely for such a task. But holy by chance was the first ones come across their bows. And and I. Lucky with that. And you got lucky, and so that was the sort of Tom woke insurer wasn't it. That was no that was the Johm Bonnard era was of a short period between Rory Byrne where I'm Pat Simmons where Flavio had sort of invested in John Barna. There was the fact split across two sites on up him Whitney one downing looming on burnouts house, and I was hide into that. And then a year so later became the Ross Brawn era with Pat Simmons and Rory Byrne and co coming back from exile to work under him, and did you know mmediately you've made the right decision, and you a happy in Formula one and any found the were interesting. I it was brilliant right from the start, and it stayed brilliant all the way through as a way of life. It's it takes a lot from you. But it gives massively in return, it you you. You get to work with a strong characters who almost to a person are nice people. There are few sharks kicking around. But most of the engineering community is extremely optimistic fun. Exciting adventures people who make your working life extremely enjoyable and the challenges that are putting front of you on nearly always difficult, but they but they normally doable in some some former another, and they they never ever dull who've been the biggest influences on professional. I guess I've been lucky to work for some splendid people along the way. From an engineering point of view. The biggest ones have been about who I worked with sort of alongside at Benneton and then worked for when he was my technical drector when I came back to that same team. But when they were then Reynaud Ross Brin who is lucky enough to work for during those glory years at for Ari and also previously at Benetton, although he probably didn't know I was working thing. But the but by the time, we got Friday hours playing slightly more important role. I'm his his leadership style and his calmness were with things. I definitely learned a lot from those probably the two biggest engineering figures that I've I've worked with and what about your favorite era because you've sort of, you know, we talked about LaRussa the challenge of having a, you know, a group of fifteen twenty people pulling things together in. In terms of from a regulation point of view. What if you enjoyed the most is going to sound really orange, but I've enjoyed all of it. I mean, all of it even even years that were enduringly grim. Still still plenty to recommend them as life experiences. But people often ask me, what's your favorite car? What was your favorite race? And I think one of the abiding characteristics of motoracing is that everything that's happened is almost autumn almost overnight. I'm interesting what what matters is what's coming next. And are you are you ready for the next race? Are you going to be ready for the next season is the group of people with building strength and moving in the right direction the caused themselves once they're not animated by championship. They're just pretty lumps of detainment, plastic and rubber. Founded like a driver in your outlook too. Always. I thought it was expecting a little bit more sentimentality, I suppose, you know, car that you've maybe had particular success with I don't I don't think of them in those terms, but are done. I'm hugely sentimental about the sports, and the people I have been lucky enough to work alongside and the and the sense of comradeship that being in a team brings you and and that that sense of cameraderie is something which has had peaks and troughs depending on how fortunate you're e were to be in a in a team that really understood it or teams that perhaps sort of said the right things, but didn't didn't live it. And in that respect I've been in some pretty good places. But this place is is truly remarkable in that regard, this place, Mercedes' Mercedes. Yeah. Do you think the regulations now are too restrictive? No, I wouldn't say that particularly people. Sometimes I think look back at the sports and pick out some big innovations. You know, you'll you'll hear people talking about the brand famine car or the or the twin chassis cars of the boss would facing exhaust pricing exhausts. There's any number of things that that you can pick out as big features. And they say see there's no innovation in Formula one. But but if they were to come and live alongside us and see the way in which the teams the engineers in the teams and the teams find find lap time in the most unlikely of little holes, it's it's an unending work of invention and and skill and in in many ways that the sort of invention in skill but these rules force upon you're the is the invention skill of the sort of prisoner of war escape artists who is constrained by all manner of appalling things that is trying to keep him keep him penned in. But but the engineer is is what breaks free, and and that engineer is is writ large across hundreds and hundreds of details in the car, which add up to. To to a lot of lap time. And so so I actually think the rules are are way of almost bringing the best out of people to find the opportunity when the seemingly none do you find it? Intellectually stimulating what you do. Because I'm asking that question is I read somewhere that you'd said you've never been as challenged academically. Anyway, as you were when you're Cambridge and. Formula one hasn't. Had the same demands. Intellectually feel of this two different words, there aren't there's intellectual and academic. And and there's no doubt that the environment of Cambridge degrees condemning quite challenging, and and they ask a lot of you in that regard. But the intellectual challenge of of being in a Formula one team is vastly richer than condemning than the new undergraduate academic degree, the the breadth of challenge both technical and human is so much richer than that. I ask searching questions off you all the time and any asks them of you, very often when you're you're on your knees with fatigue, and one of the things that he's is thrilling in its own way is when you're surrounded by hundreds of people who have who have given way more than they're contracted to give a month after month. After month, and you can see them their pilot unwell looking sunken. I'd greasy spots. And yet the thing that they're doing together is breathtaking and the way in a good team despite that fatigue, people keeping nice to one another and keep their minds on the overall task. And don't lose their temper don't start throwing their toys out the prime that really makes you feel part of something special. When you have people who understand the bigger picture, even when they are utterly riven with with the talk of being part of something special. Can you shed some light on what it was like to to win everything with Ferrari in the early naughty? Pretty good. Lovely and all that comparisons to be made with what you're going through. Now. There are comparisons. I'd say there's differences to first of all it was it was extremely exciting for me because up until that point I had had a factory based existence and my role. Ferrari was the first time I'd been exposed to the track and being the pointy end of a racing car team. When you haven't previously opens your eyes wide, and does the thrill and the immediacy of of the hoopla attached to to victory and the ups and downs that happening very intense way at track. And so that was that that emotional rollercoaster was something I was experiencing for the first time. There was also something pretty special about being in Ferrari when they broke their drought there. I think he'd been twenty seven years or something without a championship at the point where where Michael did it in two thousand. And when we got off the plane in bologna there were a thousand or so people waiting in the airport to greet is not not friends and family. They were there as well. But there were just a huge chanting throng with a giant Scuderi flack. And so it was it was quite a quite a thrill, although people remember that as a period of dominance there were two seasons. They were actually dominating. But the were also some pretty challenging ones where we had to really fight for it. So that was that was great. But with the benefit of hindsight, I can also see that that those victories were there was a degree of asymmetry in the teams back. Then that Friday was the biggest team the biggest budget, and it wasn't that close. Either had an utterly magnificent driver and the teams that we were beating off and and winning against in some ways were were not the same size of. Endeavor Ferrari, those sort of war machine Rory had put together, I think one of the things that makes the aero that Mercedes finds itself in an has prospered him. More remarkable is that there are some real titans to beat the three top teams. They are all extremely professional. Extremely well-funded extremely strong organizations and for anyone in that climate to the win. They've done a very fine job. And so for miss eighties to do it. A number of years on the chart merits it merits, a degree of recognition. What about the guys if worked for over the how much contact did you have with toward when you're for region towed or was was Ross very much the points of contact. Of course, if you're one of the travelling community, then each of the meetings that happens during the race weekend. And you probably know that race weekends are punctuated by enormous string of meetings before the session after the session before the next and ask the next session, and John would be in the majority of those meetings. So it's impossible not to be named Yana lot. If you're part the travelling community, but that didn't mean that he was regularly. Pulling me into his office saying, hey, James what you think about this? It was very clear to all of us who were at for our in that period that John was the team principal and that he worked very hard for us. He he put a big shell around the company that kept all of the extraneous. Knows that can sometimes drag Ferrari down that just kept that away that was he just put a huge umbrella over the place he was very decisive in acting on things to to keep the team running smoothly. So if he could see that there was a friction in the team, he would either intervened put it right, or if it was clear that a person was just a troublemaker, then then he would pull them out of the fray, and then they wouldn't be a troublemaker anymore because they wouldn't be in the fray, so he was very decisive in that fashion. He's also someone who you could be pretty sure if it was half nine at night, and you're still working in the wind tunnel, or whatever it could be pretty sure that he'd be around at some point that night. And he would just wonder Alan ask you how you going, and it was a classic case of management by walking about rather than that. He knew what went on guys were up to her or anything. But he knew he knew a lot of people. Names in your lot about their their lives and would make a big effort to make sure that the team was rolling along nicely. Can we say the same about your your previous boss, Flavio Briatore? Flat wasn't quite Matt's. Flab sort of rather sub that out to people like Bob bell. And Pat, Pat and after the race team and Bob loot after Basie ran my complete from factory side. Well, flab is not to say that flat was important. He was he was hugely important to the ark of Benneton, and then Reynaud, but he wasn't a sort of hands on figure, and certainly certainly not the type of person you'd wonder at talking to anyone. When he went back to Ferrari in two thousand thirteen how different was the place two to the previous stint the team, it was pretty different because that shell that. I described the GM had erected around the Formula one team that made it feel like a racing car team that had been. Depleted over the years. And there was a lot more tugging of strings. There were coming from outside of the race team that made made the job of the team more complex. You know, you just made it more more pressured and more difficult, and where decisions were not necessarily aways taken the right level in the company of by the by the neverthe- understood the thing it was making the decision about. So it had the tendency to make the company reacted short term pressure bit more. Whereas it needs to a Formula one team needs to have stability in his to mate com decisions, and it needs sometimes to hold its nerve, even when things look bleak because because the sport is difficult, and it's because it is so much easier to make things worse by intervening. The might them better. So actions to intervene it became recalibrate. David and Cathy measure than that requires a sort of steady hand on the tiller for a number of seasons. And I think one of the interesting things looking for are in now is that I think they sort of get it. You see I think you see a resolve in the team that we're up against this season. They know that the they have they have some assets the that are going to grow into something strong, if they can hold on of and do the right thing, and they have a fast car, and may have some extremely people, and it just it's just a question of keeping cool, not panicking and things will come to them. Some wonderful insight from James so far, but we're going to press pause on our chat for just a minute to give mentioned Harry's the online razor company, which might just be able to transform your morning routine with thoughtfully made, shaving tools, and well rounded skin-care every man and good news for beyond the grid listeners. Harry's are offering you the chance to get your hands on a tr-. Royal set for just three pounds ninety five. All you have to do is. Go to harrys dot com forward slash f. One put cast these trial sets are fantastic. And the perfect way to test out. If Harry's is right for you. 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When you've spent so much time at a rival in your case Carrara do feel, you know, so many of the people that you know, Matt not. So for example, very well. Do you feel you can imagine quite accurately what's going on? And how they're developing the car because you know, the characters behind it. So does that help you here? I don't particularly try to second guess them in that way. The weird thing about being in one is that you can have extremely deep feelings of affection towards a place and people are many, many many friends in for Ari, and that that affection can genuinely sit alongside a rabid desire to crush them into the ground, and it's a strange thing. And they would do exactly the same to me, despite the fact that we've we've enjoyed many things together, and I want nothing but good things to happen to them. Brilliant technical people. But you've also worked with some great drivers. And I just wanted to ask you, I mean, I don't they're very few people in the pit lane who've worked with the list of greats drivers that you've worked with and I'm thinking so look at my list here Lewis Hamilton, Michael Schumacher, Fernando Alonzo Kimmy Reichen and semester you've worked with them all and what made each of them special. And can we start with Lewis? I'm I'm not sure that I could give you a happy list of drive by driver, what they're defining specialness is what is it about Louis that impresses you first. They are all impressive people. They're all if you take the great sort of smudge of humanity drivers are not in the middle there. Their way off in the far distant somewhere at one extreme end of the bell curve of humans. They are not normal in. In their attitude to life and their their willingness to to give themselves to a very hard task that requires minute level of of detailed attention, and and caring about winning way beyond what someone who thinks they're competitive cares. So they're all unusual people. But take that as a given. That's there for all of them. So the things that the thing that has both surprised me. So one one thing I was expecting when I came to Mercedes was hours expecting to find a fast driver in Lewis because you've only got to look at his stats to know that he he didn't get them by accident. He's insanely fast. And interestingly for someone who is not in the first flush of youth now in driving terms, he still a pole position machine, which that doesn't tend to be as true as a driver. Gets a few seasons under his belt, and is is blisteringly-quick in qualifying. So I was expecting be impressed by that. And boy, am I I think the other thing that I was expecting to be impressed by bird, but of come to pre sheet more is is just how how cleverly he races a car and how cleanly he races car. He makes other people make mistakes by by placing his car in a place on the road, where they have no choice except to hit him or to back down or to make mistake while he doesn't, you know, he just places a car in a in a place on the road. Immaculately but cleanly as a case in point Vattel in Bahrain. A more perfect example, in my opinion would be Monza last year where going against bastion again. Louis just put his car on the road. Not in a way that it was easy for Lewis to do. But just put his car on the road in a place where left left Sebastian. We're nowhere to go. And and I just thought that was that was magnificent, and and you know, Uttley clean. There was nothing about that. I didn't wasn't like he didn't leave room or anything like that. It just it. Just just brilliant driving. Let's see like is a as a bloke was going to say that those are the things I sort of expecting. But when I see it for real, it's again, I was expecting it. But it's more. So it is more is better. The thing I utterly was not expecting was the Lewis bloke part of it because I'd had no interaction. With him prior to coming to the team. And I sort of could see the that he was much more of a superstar driver than the rest of the grid with a much bigger public image, which he to some degree Celtic ated via Twitter and stuff like that. And I was I was expecting to find someone who had a much more overpowering ego than the than the person I found and have rather enjoyed finding someone who is pretty appealing as a character in not not like sort of Mother Teresa or anything far from it. But a person who who's whose values of and behaviors are ones that I think most people would enjoy being alongside and g think you only see that inside the team. Do you think the public image is different? I think will deeply fortunate to spend enough time with anyone who works. To track with the drivers is gonna spend enough time with them. They're going to get beyond the sort of fluff of a press conference or the sort of cliches that tend to get mouth from weekend to weekend because the type of question that gets asked is quite repetitive and formulaic, and so the answer's tend to be repetitive and formulaic as well. If you spend enough time with a person in the type of environment wherein, you get past that and you see the person beneath. But I told this story before but my introduction to Louis was unusual say, the least, and but it was revealing about him in a way that has had an important bearing on our is my relationship since. So my my first encounter with him as an employee of Mercedes was in first winter test of two thousand seventeen and we been introduced in the morning, shaking, hands and. Made the sort of looking forward to working with you tight noises, and he'd gone off to do his thing gone off to do mine, and we didn't we didn't bump into each other until mid morning of that day where he had clambered out the car because we were doing something to it. And I was stood in the garage looking at some telemetry, and he walked over mitt to me, I think just to be friendly the run before a been going around the track, and he'd had quite a big moment in turn four where back at come loose, and he'd kept his foot down quarter and carried on and he came out to me said, hey, did you see did you see that moment in turn four? And I was thinking why sort of know the form here drivers drivers light to be told how cool and brave. They are. And they are quite cool and brave in many ways, they do things the rest of us would. Probably want to a good old sit down off towards and they put it straight away to the back of the head and they push on. So I know the deal that you need to say. Yeah. That was massive who are. But he quickly I didn't want. I didn't my I interact with Lewis to be a sort of forming one. And so I rather unwisely said, yeah, I did see it. But the thing that the thing that always amazes me about you fuckers is that you come back for more of it the next lap. And in my mind that was a sort of way of acknowledging in an indirect way that they are unusual people that they do a dangerous thing that they immediately put it out of their head, and they come back around and do it more. But I wanted to say in a way that didn't say like, oh, you're so cool. But it was like this bit wrong with you guys that was what was going on in my head Lewis faced with on the same page all his face just fell. He looks very surprised that me turn on his ear off in the opposite direction. And I thought. Her. He's no quite getting me. And a little bit later in the day towards that evening. So to came up to me and said, I James Lewis said you're pretty route him earlier, and I knew what he was talking about. But I also knew I haven't been rude. I might judge. But I wasn't rude. I make ill judgments, and and I I know that was I wasn't trying to be rude. I'll put it right. Don't worry are gonna chat with him. We didn't have an opportunity to talk to each other for the for the next day or so and the first time we did come across each other was back in the factory, and he and I dumped into each other. And I and we saw a trigger downstairs for coffee down in the in the canteen atmosphere, or none. It was clear that both of us wanted to just clear. The photo TOTO, absolutely. Have said there. There's no harm in him. He's just go potty mouth. You don't need to worry about that. And so it was it was it was just necessary to to put it straight. Not. There was going to be a row, and it was an opportunity to sit in a relaxed way. So we go sit downstairs, and I I sort of explained where I was coming from. And who are you know, hour again, and he said done, you know, carry on being you. I just it was just a weird thing to have is the first thing that someone ever said to you. And I thought yeah, probably was, but but what what then surprised me? And this is this is really the parts of the story that is much properly revealing of Lewis is that he he said to me, look I haven't had a chance to say until now. But I just want say how sorry I was about your wife who. Sadly died six eight months earlier. And and he said, I, you know, I truly truly sorry. That's a terrible thing. And that completely caught me by surprise in a very welcome way. Because a death of anyone who love is in massive thing. And it it runs around your head. It's still runs around my head today. I the will not be ten minutes of my life where I haven't thought of Becca since then and it runs around your head continually. And it's a lonely sort of world where your thinking about this pain, and very few other people even remember that it happened still less have the courage to acknowledge it and say it because there's a lot of difficult in embarrassment Brown. I'm gonna upset person. Is it is it wrong? Is it right? But it's it's lovely when someone does have the courage to do that. Because it's an acknowledgment of a loss that matters to you more than anything in the world. And it's less lonely. World when someone does acknowledge that. So it's certainly not what you expect from a driver. So caught me by surprise. And I said, my thank you. And he said, I don't know it's something you wanna talk about not bombs. I just needed to say out in what I just told you about the fact that it's lovely when people do, and and he he took the conversation on a little bit and said that you find some way of learning to live with it. And I hope the in in good time, you'll you'll eventually find happiness again in the future, which is a lovely thing to say and absolutely again, not not where I was expecting to be on a Monday morning. A canteen in a Formula one team talking to her forty one driver who are not generally the most sensitive of souls. I was deeply grateful to it. But I was also where that that probably ought find a way to to bring it to a close grateful sort of way. And I said, well, I would daily. I hope so too. But I you know, that that apps future that you set out that would require me to actually start talking to a girl, and I'm pretty rubbish of that. And. And he looked at me and he smiled knee went. Well, maybe just don't call them fuckers. That was. That was that was sort of all to our relationship. But it was it was at the start and it mattered a lot to me. And I think that just in in a small way that shows you there's no cameras. There's no Mark tra- phones. There's no one to show off too. That's just him being considerate. And and being emotionally literate in a way that people probably would not have anticipated. And it certainly enabled me to connect with him in this in the months and years since and and one thing that I'm grateful for would you say that your relationship is evolved to such a point where you are. A friend of Louis Hamilton, or is it purely professional now wouldn't wouldn't claim that at all? I I hope that I would wish him a good day and good things in his in his life. And I hope he would wish the same of me. But but it's a professional relationship. I think the race engineer who works with day in day out is is a closer bond than than technical drector. But I think he and I we have a trust. That means that when he comes and says that this I'm Hearn here. This this the car needs to change in. If I say ever do believe me, we're working on it. He will know that. I mean, it that it will happen them. And and that the things will change in the direction that that he's he's talking about. And similarly, I I'm pretty sure that wherever to need to have to say to him Lewis. This is hurting the team. Can you please do X Y or he would him out an act act in a way that was the right one? James what about other drivers micro mecca people say he was a a very there's might very much a human side to him. But I think Sabine came saying that he was very good at remembering people's birthdays in the team. And yeah, is it a common trait that we're starting to see across no drivers not all like that. By any means. I I would say the good ones. No, no. Even the good ones. But Michael was certainly someone who properly understood the power of team and understood that the acting in a way to to build a team spirit and an atmosphere around his car was away to get the best people giving their best. I don't know. How calculated it was because it always felt very natural. After every race. He would you know, win news draw. He would come in talk. But if we won he would, you know, he share his pleasure in the win with you personally, in a way that made you feel that you've been part of it. And that makes you feel very good. And and makes you feel like the thing you're doing is is much bigger than actually is and do things in a racing car that very be seen very few others do certain anything of any particular MoMA. Agents. He was extremely strong race driver. So he was fit in an era where not everyone was fit and able to thrash out qualifying style laps for all race because back in the days of refueling on ties that were pretty robust. He he could you know, that was what was asked of of a driver. And he could he could do that and get out the car without hardly a speed of sweat on him that level of attention was I think unusual. He's also. Where a lot of drivers don't particularly like testing Lewis in particular is famous for hating it. Why does Louis hate testing so much Connie see that puts in no intellectually Artie understands it's important, which is why he does it. And he doesn't do with grace. He does it properly. He just knows that. It's like the hard yards necessary to to do the thing that he loves doing which is racing. Whereas I think like Michael love training loves very loved it. And he he liked being at a test track with the team. He would be pushing the team for testing opportunities at every opportunity. I remember one particular year where Monaco done Thursday, and he thought I'd I want some star practice and at the time you're allowed to certain number of Columba's to shake down the car during a race weekend or before race because so he helicoptered himself back to fear on oh spend Friday doing star. Practice. Well. Back to the track. And he would routinely finish each season. As the driver who had spent the most kilometers in the car. This is a person who buy them had got championships coming out of his ears and yet still finding the enthusiasm to do that. And and I think genuinely because he loved it the discipline and environment of being a Formula one driver, including all that testing was just a lifestyle that that was right up his alley. And that's something that's coming across quite strongly in this conversation is that it's a lifestyle is right up. Your alley is. Well, is that it's it's been very good. Very good to me. I'm the things many many things to love about it. If I if I compare myself to my brothers and sisters and look at the the careers, the working world, they have inhabited my working world has got a lot going for it number. One thing is the utter. It's a clarity of what we're trying to do is. No, most companies I think they have a range of competing priorities that they are. They're trying to look increase sales. The after prophets. Look after shareholders whatever we're just trying to win. And we're trying to make the fastest car with the best opperations. So that we can win and everybody from top to bottom in the team. Whether they're on the technical side of the commercial side, the operation side, all those people completely get what we're trying to do. And that gives a racing team a sort of unity of purpose that makes doesn't make you feel like you're in a company cooled or racing team. Because it feels light your team. And I love that that sense of being in a team of people. And and I love it. The most of all when when we do something that's really difficult where? The outcome is very far from certain. And yet somehow we prevail because the wave of emotion that runs through a team that has really given everything. Has punished themselves physically of have skirted a work life balance at home that is just barely manageable to try and play their part here in this company when you achieve it. It makes you swell fit to burst with with the pleasure over and the pride and the and just the sheer buzz of of having been part of that you'll very competitive person. I I. Want on the squash? Cool. Would it be absolute life and life and death? Do you do not eat me? No, ma'am ground. Not not in physical sport. I'm fairly incompetent sportsman. So I just take for granted. I'm going to get beaten. Takes me quite might drug be as a as a schoolboy in university. But that's more of the I like running around you now going to tell me that you go to blue in rugby. Lame faith my college. But no nothing like that. Did you have an outlet for that competitive spirit away from racing away from formula, why do competition Baticle that was that was the main thing I did outside of work that was competitive, but with success with Monica success here, but the compared with the competitiveness of my working environment. Everything pales into insignificance. So so you're such a good advert for for this team. And for what you do any of your children lately to full you into do. They have sort of engineering bent, do they? Autistic, actually, no, my my children fewer befalling into one Becca was a was a singer shoes, a professional singer. And my children definitely have a lot of her in them all of them have a degree of the performer in them. But is absent in me. And while there's aspects of my personality share, they're they're certainly none of them engineers. My my daughter studied languages at university, and is very much on the humanity side of the academic spectrum and has my wife's wonderful emotional literacy, some which is sort of picked up by association with my wife. But but haven't haven't got anything like breathtaking skill at my middle child. Matthew is a studies geology, and he's just finishing a masters in geology at the moment hoping to do a PHD in it and. Absolutely loving it. And I guess one of the things that I do see that. He's taken from Beck around from me is the attacking whatever he's going front of him with enthusiasm and taking joy from it is clearly evident, and so that's lovely see with him. And with with Jonathan my youngest. He has just just been accepted to go and study drama at rose proof of drama college. And. Can be happy for him. Three hyphen is well all three very different. But they're certainly massively proud of them. They're lovely on the language front after stints at Reynaud and. Ferrario now Mercedes assume you can speak suddenly Italian my right only Italian. German French hasn't quite made. I very definite talented linguist. But one of the real fun things about working in Italy that first time round was we rule them Becker kids local schools living in quite a rural part of Italy and me working in a part of the team in the air department that was very much not dominated by English folk. And so learning Italian was both in Cecil and complete through because I gone through school adequate things like English and Joe Griffin stuff like that. But really really pretty Duda. Science type things and had quite early on in my life written off languages as as Austria relevance and something I couldn't do. And so to find myself later in life, actually, living and working in Italy. And where I very quickly. It was very far from an irrelevance. But also finding that with enough necessity that that it was something I could do and learning Italian was even to the sort of crappy level. I got to was really really pleasurable. And the fact that from time to time someone from Ryan, oh will spring a microphone on me live erase and start asking minitel, Ian about your staff and having to reply a live TV and Italian that gives me a buzz and makes and makes me feel some pleasure. And and certainly living and working in a different culture was was a million experience for both Becker and for me, the whole family, and look we can't we've been talking about Dr. That's what we can't drive is not talk about Val Trie. And would you agree that he's up his game? I think he's I think that. Just look at the results, and you can say that he is performing at an extremely high level. He's one point two head of Lewis and Lewis is no slouch. But I think it's also worth remembering Veltri was pretty unlucky. By this stage of last season. He should have won backer. He could so easily have won in China this time last year. And so fell tree is is a pretty good driver. What we've got to see is whether that fortune will keep favoring him and not rob him of points as it did last year, and and whether whether he's going to keep this strong performance as we as we head into some of the tracks that were more bug bearish to him last year. But the determination that he has this year is extremely evident and different to previous. I think just just a degree of. Focus on the areas of weakness that he had last year. So he's he's had a number of polls off of Lewis even in previous seasons. But on race pace he had floundered a little certain races last year. And I think he has worked very hard with his race engineer to understand where that deficit was coming from and to to try to moderate his driving moderates driving style to to not damage the tires in the way that that he had done on occasions last year twenty twenty one. Yeah. What do you want to see from a technical point of view? That's a very difficult question. I think the objectives that liberty have. So clearly set out they are things that anyone who loves the sport would want to see. So the objective of healthy grid with teams that a putting good equipment on the road. The best drivers where where the racing is close. Where overtaking is a feature of the sport where the spectacle is one that you tune in on a Sunday to watch. 'cause you're you're looking forward to the coup. How this is going to be great experience. That's in front of you all of that is stuff the that we can get behind. It's complicated sport with many, many many stakeholders and many interests to to keep looked after suggestions, finally eluding Illing life. At a fast pace, how long are you going to continue in Formula one? I mean, is it something you can do forever? It's. A bit like Louis in the last few years, we've seen Louis take interest outside of Formula one with his clothing and everything else. He's going on a you starting to have interests outside of Formula one that could eventually poorly away fulltime. I'm not sure that I'm living life at a fast pace. Been doing this for. I don't know since Ninety-one so twenty happy exciting years, and these years the years where I've been blessed to be technical to have been the most interesting of all and have felt like the the years of greatest privilege. The the some sense I feel that there are only ten technical director slots and the longer there, and I'll get holds onto that post. The less time there is for someone younger to enjoy the fun. I've had but equally the fun is massive. You don't wanna say goodbye to it? And yearly than you have to a lot of people would say you currently the preeminent technical mind in Formula one. How does that make you feel that would make me cringe as we just because the because there are hundreds of people just the other side of the wall in the room where talking in who would have equal claim on that with me, and in many many cases, a great acclaim because there. Are a huge number of really brilliant people in this team alone. And then team by team by team down through the pilot. You see people with similar education with similar brainpower and skill. So the concept of a preeminent mind is just such nonsense. You know, we all have certain skillset to bring and I've been lucky through the sort of arc of my career to be exposed to bunch of stuff that sort of left me more or less capable of doing the job by currently do. But the job I currently do is just one call in a machine that's thousand people strong. And it's us together us together that has created this team a team that I've been lucky enough to join only in the last two and a half seasons. And and so the idea of preeminent mind just makes my toes curl, you are incredibly motives. But what is your biggest strength is an engineer, then probably. Communicating and having site ability to get people to sort of follow in a direction that that we've deemed to be a good one. We being the, you know, a group of decision makers. Sorry, I'm hope adequately persuasive. I'm relatively articulate not bad at standing up and speaking to people I'm pretty good at writing stuff these rule quite soft skills, you'll note because because pretty much to to a person the engineering community is good engineering. But as you become more of an engineering leader and less of an engineering dura, then you need to be adept at sort of lining people behind a challenge. And and so that's where communication skills and some of the softer skills. Come to the force of probably probably more there than than the and he go to designing wings or box. Is any billion challenges that team face anything for good luck with that? Thanks. Thank you. Inspiring stuff wasn't it James is one of the best communicators enough one. And to hear him talk is a bit light listening to a life coach you come away with ideas about what you can do better in your world, irrespective of the topic and other thing that makes James different to many of the technical bugs in the pit lane. Is that he's experienced both ends of the engineering spectrum. He's worked for tiny outfit light Larousse. When getting the car finished was a struggle. And he's worked for the powerhouses of Ferrari and Mercedes his is a racing book that I'd want to read should he ever right one? Thanks for being so open, James. I loved our chap and hope you did too. Thanks to to Mercedes for being so accommodating, well, that's it for another week. But as ever we'll be back in just seven sleeps with another superstar from the world of f one. In the meantime, as you're waiting for that, I persona drop. Why not subscribe to be on the great? If you haven't already pool of your favorite podcast. Apps including apple Spotify. While you're at it. 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F1 Testing Day 2 - Mercedes Innovate With Dual Axis Steering

The Autosport Podcast

14:03 min | 10 months ago

F1 Testing Day 2 - Mercedes Innovate With Dual Axis Steering

"Welcome to the also spoke cost. We hate to recap the second day. Twenty Twenty preseason foreman one testing at Barcelona I'm heist on its connell. Who'S WITH NEEDS? Days Might Sport Dot Com f. One editor Jonathan Idle and also Sports Formula League Smith Site. It was another interesting Diab- also we had a late performance. Run from Kim. You Walk in the room. I won't talk about the big story that I probably. The only show in town was ladies. Daas steering trick that during John. You across the story. O'day wants the gist of it. All right this is one of the days you kind of lift for the formula journalists this when someone kind of stuff bubbling away in the near ups massively Cestari someone who some footage of Lewis Hamilton's car Some people spotted the stadiums. We moved backwards and forwards Oversee then whenever we are people looking at what he was doing. The wheels were moving around in line with a stable movement as they developed. It was confirmed. Merck got the system called jewel access steering Basically what it does it alter the toe of the front wheels so the car can be perfectly set up for the corners Willesden one way then when he got into the Straits. Straighten them up. Minimal drag minimum resistance socials overheating Brilliant brilliant system has been approved by the F. A. A. F. I. Confident is legal or get confirmed until Australia. Rival teams have left scratching their heads. And I mean you could physically say the was pulled. The steering rally was really quite remarkable. What I look like it was gonNA come off in his hands at one point. I had scar went down and spoke to someone say is Shortly after these videos emerged just to check. You know. What's the wasn't some of those both on the the wheel sometimes an F. On Wall conspiracy theorist growing like why things are flexing bending and then have been twenty minutes teams has all know it was broken? We've taken off but no this was the stripe in from the star. This was a You know deliberate system. Some of worked on something. They've approved unless you're quite liked the fact that you know time of Rules. Stability when we're all four forms going to be boring technically. We've had a great piece of innovation. There's got fans and the paddock and the media. All excited now like there was a a special press conference Formula One and the FAA. They're trying a different view. Different things with the media here these tasks yesterday we had the the three rookies of nausea and kimmy ranking of a chat. Show so of Vibe then few questions from the floor for the press conference today it was James Allison and Lewis Hamilton. That was always pond but it was perfectly almost seven deputies that they would exactly the people we wanted to speak to you. The driver involved using that system in the morning and then you had the technical director of the team who produced it. What was the atmosphere like in the room? Because I think at first when when Tom Clocks in the host that press conference with speaking it was so more general about Louis career this all things. Ab Thinking about Lucchini season. But everybody else seems to just one focus on pinning James Allison down onto a straight answer. Say How's that from your point of view. Yeah very interesting. And of CPS and Ariza Meters Lacoste to certain topics I guess particularly when it comes to Lewis and a couple of making comments. All this organ be about steering wheel is an from point. You'll see that was the big story of the day no hearing about any new contracts updates or anything like that from Louis. We wanted to know about this amazing device. That Mercedes brought along and Yeah it was referenced by Tom when he was doing these sort of opening gambit with With them and it was quite nice when it was brought up Lewis gave James Allison very knowing. Look I think he's over in his is saying we might really be on to something here and Yeah they both kept their cards. Very close chester's bombed expected this point of the season saying that they're going to see how the device works what kind of benefit you can offer but Yeah you can tell those real prior to think about James Allison when he was talking about this this device and even Lewis is talking about the team and he says so much about how parties of the Mercedes career he works with and that pushed to innovate and always get better even off to six titles in a row and I think this is perfect evidence of that that they can find new ways to think outside the box again step on their rivals and as John said late leave the Paddock Ridi scratching their heads about how they've managed this now is he one thing you think. Draw the physically moving a steering wheel whilst running several hundred miles an hour. Let's face it. Is it a pinch? Safety issues? And that Bush question was put to Lewis Hamilton. Moore's his response he said. I've no safety issue also. Have we sold by him on? Faculty astronauts days running they were using the system pretty straightforwardly. No real issues. It seems and Yeah it's It's definitely very strange. Feb will on social media competitive a car. Roku when you get in Houston Justice steering wheel by pushing it back in full it's And it will similar to that but yet drivers Setina safety issues whatsoever and I think it's all about now what performance benefit Will offer them now. John doesn't this all a system. That Roy teams can just copy is looks pretty complex. So do you think there's going to be a few key Bob's from from Robin outfits saying we know what's going on one of the FAA this I think it's fascinating now. We're we're lease your rival team if they've got a workout. What performance benefit is and must be performance benefit? Because I've always Mercedes wouldn't have on their car secondly there's no way of truly check in the galaxy until you're starting Grand Prix the way the system works Formula One is a team crates and innovation checks with the FAA. You would you consider this illegal. And then the the governing body likely Nicholas Tom Buses. There are FI technical. Chief in this respect will give his opinion that it's legal but the systems defined by this stewards at a Grand Prix. So could still go to sit on the if I could say we believe it's legal. We turn up in Australia. It could get thrown out in scrutineering unlikely more likely as a team of protests and then it will go to stewards and they would decide. So that's the first proper test for this but at least teams three or four weeks to work out what we do now I spoke to a few technical directors. Today they are adamant they can fill in these cars. It's not going to need any monocoques. New Chassis just needs a new concept of steering rack that moves across to access But it's not at the moment. This is two three months time. Work may be and you think in the background. These teams are already juggling resources for twenty twenty one to try and switch off as much work early as they kind of the twins. Twenty car said on four hundred twenty one now complication so the go a huge had on the hands on what what would be the legal argument. Would it be a case of a team saying well? This is a suspension part isn't allowed to maybe that way whereas Mercedes resigned well way steering the way was with the steering wheel right exactly Spike Spike People understood the situation Quite well today. The issue relates to you. Know where the lines were steering Poverty Karas and weather lines of suspension. Are you come up with the suspension components? Wall cars emotion. That's that's outlawed but on. This is just moving. The steering is just moving the wheels in a in a different way a different access than they would normally as far as concerned. There's nothing the regulations that are laws it There's been no technical directive that outlaws it so from that perspective is fully legal is now up to rival teams to prove this is suspension. Change not a steering change now. One interesting Discussion that they started almost a philosophical thing really is the this this content a cheap development for Mercedes. I mean. He's tremendously interesting when you look at the pictures of those wheels. Moving winning poisoned steering wheel out. It's it's it's very clever stuff but does it really add much to view it as much to the spectacle and therefore we only we will be on the twenty one call stage but is it worth for team or more teams investing much more money to destroy. Trump will be Dan. What do you think like? I think he just shows the level of innovation that we have an F. One and we still have even so stable. The regulations be now and James Allison said in the same press conference that as proud as he was all of this one device. He's had under the chassis and under the engine so much more that they're they're so proud of and they've done the ECON- physically says I think this is and it's just a very very physical thing that we can see the for the very first time happening I think similar to the I think it was the dog. So the drive with the steering wheel and cover holding the cockpit Fat The era. I think that was again very real. Everyone could actually see what was going on and yet to see the call moving as you said was was incredible and I was in red bull actually went emerged. Mattress was look at look at it. The wheels are moving moving. And it's kind of spark I guess for the engineers and designers wish I thought that's what everyone is all about and I think yeah ultimately every team on the grades It may not be something that the midfield teams clumsy pour money time resources to look into a big Mercedes atmosphere. You can do that so I think it's something that it definitely does show. I guess this to happen in this ball currently maybe looking serfs over twenty one and the budget cap and things like that. All we're going to see I guess innovation like this in the future. What seems more limited on budget and resources and things like that and what they can spend that time on. I think that'll be interesting but for now. I think he's GonNa say tap lights mark for a really great idea. I think the innovation sites. They're exactly what makes food tractive in Israel of concern from teams that we don't stand it 'cause it would take away from the sport correct. You know we talk about. We'll talk about US fiesta. Come in if it gets lost one race or ten races or becomes a standard infant. One like we talked about the double diffuser light. We talk about the docks. We talk about the fan car lot. We talk about ground effect. Is these pushing the envelope exploiting these grey areas tracks? A lot of fans to spy on our website traffic. Today's been remarkable in a second emerged. Social media routed where stores out traffic was roaring roaring away. This is what excites fans almost as much as the battles on the truck sometimes on Sundays upsetting. I wasn't signing from assaid was leak. Wiranto Lavalle Potus later in the day at a slight electrical issue Towards the end of the final hour running so it's no all plain sailing as you rightly said but I think They can still save pulse to die They still rocks up a huge number of laps. I think they're going to get two hundred day issue so I really really impressive stuff. So he's one of the big stories from yesterday. The racing point which looks remarkably ten minutes alone cheese Mercedes. Wgn said Peres has been pounding around in that car against John. Watching during the off season. It looks tremendously stable. Mini eight does. It does look does a pretty big step forward for the team there. What was his reaction particularly some of the comments that Roy was making about what flexing point is done while he was asked today. What do you think what do you say to people? Say Pink Mercedes and quite response was as fast as that car. of commerce were really interesting. 'cause you censor his body. Language is confident. Happy Consensus lap-times. They're confident happy. Playing down of work to do from elwyn lots of things to understand big responsibility. Big Change because ache but all reminds me a little bit of the kind of role in two thousand nine situation when you turned up his mega car all the comments from the team from Jackson and Ross were. We've love. What do we need to understand this early days etc? I think he's nice suggestion that race appointing fighting the world championship or even battling winds but a sense. Thay census real opportunity to make big gains in the midfield. Potentially be you notching. Maybe even better than fourth could they be. They're battling for podiums occasionally specialist all the season. Caesar a big head start in understanding this car And I think it will cause a bit of a Fuss Special Teams McLaren and Renault. If racing haven't gone down this concept of adopting another ideas designs in Ideas is successful. We've I saw Sebastian vessel for the first time in testing today Chelsea. Clark meet another morning for Ferrari invite you to cover in the afternoon. How did things go for veterans particularly Bozo Ferrario route today as another fairly unsafe today from Ferrari again? I think they were sort of opening taps as to. What can happen with the car this year. I think it was More about just getting up to speed particular vessel. I go in the car. I think he just wanted to get back into the rhythm basically. Yeah I think it's fairly early days I've had the most are expecting our. It's been a major package to the second SAS which will probably show the hand little bit more a bit like a Mercedes. Last year I guess and Yep I think vessel important just to get some laps and of CB while again and have off tomorrow to dial in with this new SF one thousand car and yeah I think get up to speed up say you will be interesting to see if Ferrari do take the entire Mercedes approaching testing last year and bring up. You've got the next. Well thank you John. Thank you and thank you for listening to this upside of your ties. Poke poke US tomorrow. We all report from the final day of fat fastest airball Selena. Thanks so our producer. Martin Lee the editing this episode means Music Six am treeline written. 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F1 2019 season preview

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F1 2019 season preview

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So that twenty nine Formula one season is just around the corner Ferrari heads to mobile as favourite after starring in testing, but Mercedes and red bull on far behind heist at still and join me to look ahead to eight months of action. Intrigue. I is Scott Mitchell, unusually rocking, some kind of floral shirts. I d like it. The wood well on a podcast. Yeah. So it's good for the good of the raiders out. Just it's blue. But with the kind of other lighter blue outline of flowers. Yeah. That's probably a fair description. I mean, we'll we'll keep thank you. But we need J books leg or Jake vox egg as one audible, plus scribe allies to call him here to technically analyze design of the of the show. I think that would probably give us a little bit more detail is in our ship. Well, we'll she in washing machine. Do you out? We'll show in what I mean. I will she inside. The worst we presume in washer is a very arid Emory, inefficient show is caught baggy mentally slim fit. But obviously on the rest of my like mines is need to work on your packaging. Yeah. Yeah. I do. Fear is is. Quite loose. Isn't it? Nor going to aggressive here. No Scoffing on the coupon. Gust of wind. No, I would I'd blue balloon up by one of the one of those one of these massive what was the well as fish code the ones that. Play fish inflate. Yeah. That's may we'll down the street with a wind an enduring image business the podcast to it's a cost. What let's move on to our other guests Anderson architects of the f one racing magazine season preview, and I currently available can see brandishing copy there. So vast in the listeners. Yeah. Exactly visual eight. I've said you up the perfect delivery for few to hit to the boundary for six by plug. Yes. If racing season preview hundred forty pages, bumper she yet, many driver interviews behind the scenes exclusive fatally sheets analysis of the title battle to come. We expect cancer bastion. Vital cement his legacy. Follow in the footsteps of his hair, micro. She McEvoy waiting titled his fifth seasonal will he follow the path of his predecessor finance Lonzo in succumb to the pressures of and disappointments of repeated failure guy, that's what you can find out in f one racing magazine. So I think sellings out now basically going to open that Meg. And just read out the feature is one of your answers to one of its question. I think that would be commercially immature. I think it would be boring. Odia crushing depends on my delivery Riera because obviously I should emphasize. That's not. That's not to say. I think that the feature in the magazine is so his boring. Why thank you. I'll just think I struggle with not book fan on you food when you're subtle applying. You can't see any moves even teams writing driving around the place. Place. Yeah. I know here on the podcast where we talk about things of the top of our heads rather than from the page. Correct. Yes. Yeah. So what you setting off some no. This is funny enough to do that. Let's get you a coupling of emphasis such show, shall we talk about Formula one you can give it. Let's see. Well. Preseason testing for the initiative. So you of the prevailing opinion, the Ferrari is favorite. I would say heading Melvin. Yes, I'm Doug knife. They favorite for the championship. A lot will depend on how they and Macedo primarily maybe so right behind that. It's not completely they stage develop their cars through the season. Obviously the rules of changed for the season primarily around the front wings attempts to improve 'cause ability to follow and by taking down force away sensually which is complexity on the front wings. That's cost teams. A lot of the better better funded teams of spent a lot of time working to recover that we've seen some differences in approach. It looks like for has the fastest car based on preseason testing by two three four tenths depending on who you speak to and how you can't kill eight it. So they have an age. That's unusual. Probably at this stage of a season. Normally, it's Mercedes. He win the phony war of winter testing. But the big bar. I think is for always development, right? We saw all season. They had a car that was capable of winning the championship may be without some stakes. They would have anyway, but as a season more one taking the second half, they ran aground in terms of developments put some things on the call. It didn't work and had to come back Mercedes we've seen consistently relentlessly develop their cars correctly through a season. And so even if they start as a two to four tenths behind furry. They would be favorites to win the development war and potentially catch up or surpass. They realize the season progresses, especially as of last season. We saw that throw releasing to start the season with the foster car. They said they start they they had a position that call. It put them in a position to win races. And and five for the championship for most of the year. But they never really didn't really feel ever. Really, maxine. Really Bill on early Renton now. And it was close wasn't it. They had the foster car in certain places tracks certain sessions, but it was a real Eban flow fight between fro Mercedes whereas the feeding into this season for has actually a definitive edge. Not a big one but appear pace advantage that maybe wasn't so apparent at the start of last season. We should no not yet. No point loss season to froyo three times of a secondary twitches roundabout where it looks like testing. I may have if that's the case in in mobile well on curious to see if what we saw Macedo introducing week to testing gives Melvin clothes gives gives it the scope of development develop quickly on with quite interested, and I may have read weights much into this. But I was very interested by the video the Mercedes power couple of days ago, where James Allison the technical director taught through the differences between washers car and issues car and it clearly done before preseason testing. Because what what James? Says is that this this launch car will go to to boss later in detest in and then it will get a new set of clothes Australia. But that didn't happen that launched cart. Didn't do the two weeks testing. They did the first week. And then they had this major era great who week two, and it could well be that was just slip of the tongue from James. And what you meant is that this is the call that will go to start testing and at some point before mail when it will get those new clothes. But that isn't literally said, so I just wondered if that suggests I'm not saying, I don't subscribe to the few people seem to think that Mercedes was capable of turning around and complete new era. Upgrade inbetween day. One of the first test day two of the second test because calls for the so. Yeah, exactly. So one of the first test today one of the second test. It was obviously something that had been in the works for a long time. I just wonder on this is basically speculation from what James was James Allison said in the video is just did they have this plan to introduce the era grade maybe a little bit later, but the opportunity arose they could run into the second test. And they felt it was better. To get four days of on track on the standing because that split of Eric packages across two weeks of testing. I mean, you too will have a bear understand this and me while I didn't quite get from. That is you'll basically so of UNITA Hinault that with what you're doing because you do the first four days with a package that you're not going to raise with. But also. You've got less of an understanding of the base of you'll package because you've just introducing upgrade four days earlier, the maybe you plan. So I just wondered if that was a negative in any way, or if that was actually just Mercedes getting extra on the narrow package. They're actually going the race. I think perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle. Certainly they had the Melbourne spec or test to aero package in the works. Not surely than before the first test it wasn't rushed out. But I imagine they found some floor with their original package in advance of the first test. We saw that it didn't work out as well as they hoped on track handling problems at cetera. Perhaps they found indication of some of these problems in advance of preseason testing decided to accelerate their secondary package knowing that they needed to do some work to fix some of those problems. But were able to do that work in time for. The first test. So therefore rolled out for the second test knowing also they need to solve problems. It's not case it just boating on upgrades that work on a basic package. You know is sorted. They're great recite bake for the second test. It's very disconnected from the first has package, so some people could it be Specht comb. So I think if I could start without Specht they would have done. But so yet, it's interesting. And maybe at the time Allison was talking. He was expecting the baseline package to be stronger than it was all perhaps the indications of some of the problems manifested themselves at the first test weren't as clear essentially questioning means I could be more potential for Mercedes to to extract MacArthur, Veneta half the offerings lost this fantastic development will between the two I think it's going to be the same again this year. Even if Mercedes does as expected, but might not be the case star behind we talked a lot about the calls during testing podcasts. So let's let's look at the driver situation. This basically means that we saying Sebastian battle is their full favorite from Elvin. I think I'm cool. So you've got the additional question of there in the second Ferrari, and then can Lewis Hamilton's did law season close enough to be in a position where he could make make the difference. Well, let's not forget that think the last two years haven't we gone to Australia with MRIs having a clear edge on on Friday. Melbourne furry one by times. Right. He elder last year that was purely down to the Mercedes our. Yeah. But my modest she might my point. There is is more the wins over weight one, isn't it? It's a it's a unique rice is unusual tracks and unusual track. It's not always the most exciting. But we have had a few examples in not too. Not too distant seasons where whether mixes things are posible unpredictable. The catches people out the weather certainly doesn't tend to mix up the pervading competitive order, generally, I think that you stalk can distort the gap sales going to get to that point. So it tends to if anything extend the gaps between causal teams that we see in testing. But usually the order at the end of preseason us, we would calculate it tends to be represented by in normal conditions in Melbourne. I reckon the if they are behind Mercedes. And it looks like they are a suspect the team and Lewis Hamilton will be fairly pleased beginning to Melbourne I with that gap possibly being in place because our suspect they've got a better chance of so of just limiting the damage to Ferrari that I might suffer star the air in Australia, then for example, by rhino or China where for our it has seemed pay the better car. I've lost Cerny last season. It was as well. So if they do have an advantage, I would expect more to Ramat home there than necessarily in Australia where the Mercedes has been quicker the last couple of years, and for whatever reason hasn't been able to turn into an early victory. I think the interesting thing is, well, what Lemelson mindset pay does. He think he's chance of now if there's if there was a three time gap that should mean for front, ROY. So we thinking split them gonna get amongst them be quick enough in the race. So be an issues interesting to look at that mindset because what we know of Hamilton. He won't be happy just to say well finish with initiative because we're we're second-fastest. So it kind of sets the framework for the championship fuel Hamilton. You'd wanna give valid I had I extract away to try to void that'll settling into the season. And completely putting problems of last year behind him. I think he does disappointed if if if they go there and throw it have the advantage. I think he'd be disappointed not split them. I think you would see everyone things close brilliant earned. I'm personally expecting him to hit the. Homerun in. But I do think if you Hamilton if you're in the Mercedes, I think you see if there's any low hanging fruit to snatch from Ferrari, there is going to be the rookie isn't in on his first start maybe in a bit conservative in qualifying at some point in the race Stati on. Yeah. And and when you consider as both of you have discussed smoked through times, the clicks qualifying weakness, shall we say the apparent inability to get it done in key three times. He did make. So you want it really mattered? He see them very quickly testing and be very close to veterans pace. But that's with hundreds of laps pounding round and round and round in the same car on the same conditions when it comes down to one lap on the tires on a random street circuit when the precious radio on the spotlight's really only because you're in one of the best cars in the grid. It's very different, isn't it? And though the declare will. I'm sure is headed around it as you say, scar don't necessarily expect him to be absolutely on point from race one. Himself who told a little about with different environment Ferrari with Michio vanity evening and been so now, they're the same principle. Are we expecting to see the the old battle? If you like because the mistakes made last year were more than you'd expect one. Yeah, I think we'll see Vetter come out stronger. I went to one of his media sessions on the second week of testing. And he he looked like a very happy guy. As opposed to the sort of thorough. Brow? We saw last season and oversee there's a certain element of it being a new year, and you know, fresh hype and all of that. But we know you eventual is quite an emotional guy. Responds very well to a positive environment around him there were sowing on the Areva Benet that he was drifting in his focus towards external Mattis, not relevant to the specifics of the car and the race weekends because he was concerned that perhaps things weren't. Going quite so well in Maranello, but I get the sense how you feel about the skull. He's a lot more faith in matere. But not a and so does the Ferrari team, and that will only have a positive effect on where to who. We know is that phenomenal qualify. Even when he's a bit distracted or be unhappy as he was at times last year. But when all is right in his world. He can be absolutely devastating. And of course, even though these front wings have been revised in the car should be able to take in theory better. Still starting on pole position is the biggest vantage you can gain from one investor with one of the most emotional drivers in one of the moment. If me most emotionally susceptible driver on the Grayton emotion is in my opinion. Emotion is the single biggest performance differentiator from drivers driver. If one is in the right place common collected and currently motivated, they they can operate right at the limit of their ability if not just a fraction below. Oh is someone is unsettled. Someone's unhappy about something almost distracted wherever can be can be really smooth things, even that's what people take things like making sure that you've got the right nutrition and the eaten correctly because small amounts of hunger and stuff like that. You don't need the differences between these guys now is so small econo- Ford's to be to be off your gaming and Hamilton's per of effort into that has since converting vegetarian now in Stanford and diet. He says he's the best he's ever fell. He's done. Things intensive his training of going to be off grade doing things in why we seen certainly in the last t- seasons, the environment Mercedes created around Hamilton and the way he's been allowed to express himself and do things his own white has made him that much stronger. And of course, fettle needs to respond in kind really in access that part of his potential. That's been undermined shall we say by a less than perfect working environment. I think that will see with the veteran been auto dynamic. Ferrari, we will have a lot of you'll be a lot more like that arm around the shoulder wolf Hamilton dynamic existed, Mercedes, and that Lewis is absolutely the best. Why that's how you get the best out of him. And I think it's the same as well. Because of the emotional thing is some is someone Hamilton looks. So I want my doing I'm eating enough. I'm a sleeping enough. If is correctly, considered to be a massive element of your performance in -solutely getting on of your team boss feeling like your team boss has the right has the interest of the team at heart and is doing things correctly back and has your bag gonna massive difference, especially as all ready manifested itself for the star of this year? We've been auto not saying LeClair has to be caged in the first few Acer the season, but making it really clear from the get-go veterans for our report of reference in championship flight, so vets now goes into the season knowing the all of the pussyfooting around there's been done in recent years over team orders isn't going to be a factor. He knows that. If he is establishing himself early on. As the number one driver, the Ferrario Ferrari will respect, and they will they will deal with any situations arise with Clare appropriately in that manner. And that is something that even though fetters had this performance advantage over Rockin info four seasons. I was together they still will really indecisive over. And I just I just think everything is now in place for veterans go into the season knowing absolutely without a shadow of a doubt that he has effectively what he had around him. But rep oh when he was so good, and therefore it's game on in to rice, isn't it? Yeah. Absolutely one thing. We haven't mentioned though is there's four drivers in the top two teams. You haven't mentioned Veltri built us or evil Batas evil. The bid did United testing. How did you feel about? I felt I felt it might look less evil and and threatening actually. Yeah, I'm already how Milton said we wanna preseason test in the the the main thing notice, it was different different about Valerie this year was his bid and the second thing is to be more aggressive. I wonder if he's changed his mind and things will be less aggressive. Now, he's saying is now just of light stop, isn't it once questions if he would just keep growing into you wanna race the reverse John Watson isn't he shaved off his bed when he wants fast race for Penske. Also today, but us. I think I get the feeling that the prevailing opinion is amongst people is that both us is is kind of a Dead Man Walking that Mercedes in terms of his joy for but he is the man in possession. We know what you can do when things are going. Well, so if I was be going into the season thinking, well, it's annoying of pre myself again, but got into the job proof that you have to stay beside. He's one things they won't get rid of a driver for Esteban Oklahoma, whoever if they're doing the job. Well, they proved that last didn't I bought a season tailed off again. But yet depart the scene was strong is unlucky. Not to win could have been leading the championship at various points. And they offered him renew terms on that basis. He couldn't get rid of a guys performing base a massive season for Batas isn't he did Taylor off again Hamilton did that thing where he kicks on in the second half of the in the car gets better in Batas. Just can't find a way to go with him in up being manifestly the number to you drive and having to gal of Hamilton's way to help his title bait. That's not vision. What as wants to be in or Kony's lurking? Now having lost that driver team forty Niners. Fullest, India now nine is racing point. He'll be held sporty pays racing. I'm getting on top of that. He'll be hopefully in the Mercedes garbage as well looming over king. King of is data saying, oh, I could do things it. You'll never better install when you're out the team is it was. Cohn counter anything's make his case weekend. Nothing's apartment knowing people. He yeah, there's nothing he can do that can prove him wrong. Just running around the guards shaking, so demanding drowning the drug major as potus is kind of caught between two you still isn't any written about this ad. He either redoubled his efforts again tries to find the magic formula to take on Hamilton is in game become a proper title challenger in Zion. Roy which as an individual you might expect. Now this is his third season first season. So he can't he doesn't have the excuses of being new or not having the cost set to his liking in terms of controls and understanding the people at cetera who seven season former one is not. Yes, experienced he's a race winner all of these things. But as you've said, he might get more out of himself if he accepts that Hamilton is the better driver has what might be termed his DC moment from couth time McLaren with hacking. In and just works on being the best that he can be within that environment. Getting as close as he possibly can to Hamilton and therefore maximizing Mercedes points in the constructors championship. Find out actually doing that. If he gets himself. So we could level then you can start thinking again about well, maybe next to redefine that. Yes. Because it's a baby step in the right direction. These overall level is higher. It could go either way. I mean, he could come out with blocks absolutely swinging in and get one over on Hamilton, especially if the car isn't quite as good as hoped, and if some of those retire problems manifest themselves again, but it's not the first half of the season. That's the key for Batas released. Sustaining will have been strong starts in the last couple of years right through to the final race. And w we'll always going to say, the if Mercedes starts the year slightly behind for that could be bought us his opportunity to build a bit momentum against Hamilton. Because I think over the two years we've seen them together Batas has been very very good getting the most out of the car on the weekend. Wor Hamilton struggles and think last year one example, Canada where Batas was actually really good last year and run to quite quite close. Well, a lot closer. Than hamilton. Did who was the thing that was probably Lucy's only real anonymous. We can law season what a Steph and even better in the lower downforce back on the slippery tracks in their smoothie services. I mean, he was used to driving for Williams who as we've seen in recent season, particularly struggle to produce downforce on their cars Hamilton's has been more blessed in that sense. So bought us himself would say that that is potentially one reason why he's he's gone better on the tracks where there's bit less grip available and he's been close to Hamilton the wet as well hasn't. He when you take dry conditions Alvin complete. He's been very close at times not maybe sustained, but he's been able to lap pre closer in some qualifying sessions, but his win the cars at his strongest in the grips going up. And you've got a fine new way of accessing that and dancing on absolutely either fine edge of grip. He just can't quite get. There is absolute crunch time for Batas ultimately misleads if he can he can start the season affectively the way he did last year. Economization lightning striking twice and him. Suffering the bizarre circumstances doc the first races of a season in twenty eighteen these good chance. The the key thing for him. Be. If Macedo does have vitriol early on. I think given winless last year in a season in which Lewis matched his personal best hole in the face of more competition than ever but has to get an early win. Always as we saw last year gets into mental spiral. The team will have to pay self behind Hamilton Tartu to thought guys that way because Ferraris doing that. We've Vetter like they won't be able to afford to ground. Yeah. Exactly. So about seasonal clerk as well. Because the second ROY if you like. Recently has been let's say a bit moving easy target for the second. Mercedes driver, bought us would have felt more confident being able to pick off Reichman in the battle of Mercedes versus Ferrari, then potentially he would feel about the clerk if we expect the clerk to be closer than Reichen was to veto he'll be closer to Hamilton. And therefore the gap that Batas can slow himself into if he's behind Hamilton is much smaller than it was while to successfully either the second driver, he needs to be covering off the the second reality, which in fact, he didn't do points Weiss competitor, Aikman law nurse in. So yeah, it's it's it's a big season any say hadn't made that decision to retain Batas. Elliot's. They did that might have counted massive against it is going to be interesting to see website. He's made that decision like white forever. Come nicer, they they they will want to make decision the first off the season. But history suggests you wanna wait a little bit a little bit longer, especially as if they've got off on waiting in the wings someone who is known to the team, they know is requirements are he's almost certainly not. Going to be going anywhere anywhere else. Until Mercedes says he can so unless there's some clothes in their contract with Alcon labor lease in by certain time. If they haven't confirmed him as a race driver, they they can probably fold to white lighter than I have done in the last couple of g think potentially when it comes down to question can both us white not long will his management start looking alternatives, which way the wind's blowing. So yeah, it's it's it's kind of an open ended question. But the best way the best thing about us. Can do it starts Eason really strongly pick up some wins. And ready do the job that? That's that's what matters performances is is. What counts as results business, isn't it? Well, that's enough apart one we will be back the party to have a look at red balloon Honda. Well, it's not just formula world championship kicks off this week earlier Wednesday morning in Melbourne. I oversaw the w youth the autosport same OGP manager the multiplier on lauraingraham premanent game available for oil and Android mobile and violence net. Browsers as part of our partnership with all GP there is a special league in which the autosport same is one of sixteen participants. This is a long way to w the I like how you referred to us as participants because I wouldn't we would definitely more participating in that race rather than competing by some what I could say, yes, it was a difficult debut. Openness decor was was under cooked wanted to be little bit. Those times when HR teeter Australia in the calls and quite quite both carry on driving fully, suddenly, I think we probably we probably done better with front of the podcast current gender in on just looking at qualifying route sixteen sixteen that six six thousand sixteen year almost three tenths off the back, which was an audio coliform media. Which isn't necessarily the ideal ideal strategy, my toss you wasn't great. And then you're in the rois we finished a minute down and the next place. Call was any twenty six down so terrible combination of uncompetitive car and poor stress management at the opposite. Fritzy stopper when medium medium super soft? That's miserable combination. Everything everything else. I mean, the one saving grace for that thing is I always hate it. When games were simulation games or like games where your in in control of the car or whatever when the too easy. I always find that really really boring something that requires a little bit strategic intelligence. Some incident of a project is always a little bit more fun now, exactly. And that's socio new team boss now. But we've because we ran an online poll for what we should invest some of the teams funds in and we've got design office being built it's going to be the female days before that's online. But hopefully that look celebrate the days. Yeah. Say it's it's just a toy. On this which is good. So obviously if you were to simulate real Formula one same she'll the progress to play for years now, I'm wondering why is still around and winning world championships? If it's that easy to turn around. Yeah. Yeah. But it's it's a good thing. So should without grades to be to be better than you can choose which areas, you you focus on the performance of the car. I think it's everywhere at the moment. But I think the pit will do a better job. You know, I can I can play in the technical team for not producing creek car. But if I'm running the strategy, he then. Just as much to it sounds to me like the more. You improves the team the more your eye impersonal shortcomings again to be light bad for everybody to say. Well, this is the question is can only be much time before people are gonna get sacked. When's it on to resign? All make sure I'm in that media session. Yeah. Mark him very much expensive the footing. There's no media activities in GP, which I think is a good thing. Some games have never found them. Your always found the mayor tightening actually always liked storming out in a stream of expletives on one particular game football manager. Chevy. It's gonna guess if it will manager of of racing games. But basically is going to take time to get the team up to two good level. There seems to be fifteen pretty pretty good other teams in that league. So yeah, it's gonna be interesting to a little bit little bit better doing. Yeah. It's it's gonna take it's going to take quite a bit time. So I'm going to be practicing the excuses. I can give to people at yourself to say why things aren't quite working. But I think probably my w rice was kind of what we're expecting from Williams. Maybe they'll be better than that. But off the back of OTA's was dry the ratings for what we team sport. I think we just. I think we just imagine ROY also sports. Okay. Then again, I'm gonna give you one at ten for the weekend. I that's that's a poll in or does he deserve autosport? There's ever higher rating on the grounds that the car on the team terrible natural. He did. Well in the second stone since I don't think he's the best driver available. The joy was not the problem here. Okay. So I five ten five thousand seems seems reasonable. Yeah. Okay. I think the pet will want out. Management knows our ten, but we're gonna get we're gonna get there's a there's a rice every week. We'll be keeping you updates on progress. And we will hold more votes on Twitter account also sport where we decided to focus on development, what we're going gonna build etc. Etc. Etc. Show. It's gonna be some big sponsorship deals. We can do to get some more movers into the team. But it's yeah. It's gonna be a long ROY. I reckon Willer. We'll get more massive as the season goes on suddenly hoping in the next race that it's slightly more credible performance sedan like the apple had to GP manager dot com for more information, and we'll bring you more news of of my failure in team management's in future podcasts. Well, let's move onto perhaps the dark horses for the seasonal suicide. Adult bulls red bull Honda Scott preseason testing did go pretty well. For this near Lawrence expects them to be in the title, or is going to be sniping. The old win a bit light last year. Could it be worse? Even what what do you expect from them? I expect a lot from them. Then again, expect quite a lot from you. And you just drop that terrible Dr bull line. So I'm hyping the rebel Honda live delivered to my expectations the needed because disappoint your expectations were wrong. I know why all they wrong about right Bahamdan. Here. We go on evidently judgment is poor on the perfect person to talk about this. I would be amazed. If ripple hunter is worse off than ripple Rene was last season, rebel Tyco. Actually. Yes. Sorry about ships ended. We mentioned Tyco's if engine supply for the festival. She was a high hype edging engine terrible. Also a defense. They hated Reynaud. Yeah. Absolutely. The ultimate manifestation of that collapse. By defense supply, every time criticize engine which record I fell into instantly. Those big financial penalty. If I slide to the engine hilarious. Don, Ricardo gave it only stones to a question. Like having a swear jar, isn't it? Yeah. These two big sweat. Very don't think fifty Pence paces. So yeah, rebel Honda. I would be surprised if they don't win a race in the first half the season personal opinion is they will be absolutely gunning for Monica are think now plan engine stress G for the first half of the season around making sure they're fresh engine write-off back. Yeah. Well back who is going to be important for for Honda actually because last season back. It was where they were massively found out on their energy, deployment and energy management strategy him feel consumptions a problem. Exactly. And they they claimed over the course of the year when they were futile similar races that the lessons I learned in backer. I remember spa when gasoline Nixon unexpected top ten result that that was that was really important for the Honda because I felt that validate that so I reckon tobacco and they want to show progress. But you're right. They won't be going. There thinking this is all wind chill around, Monaco. And given the family looks like after preseason testing. They've started certainly no worse off than ripple ran out at the start of twenty eight. They've got talked not because rebel manage. The winner. Is about an engine UK Monaco last year Renai power. So that that that will have to be the target. I suspect the internally they'll be quite a confidence. That's a chief of as well, they they're doing their best of capex -tations in check. Insult by Ren Iran Honda, but it was impossible to ignore the positivity in preseason testing spoke with Honda. I spoke with Mike Stop-and spike with the toros technical team who are now in their second year working on an everything is is it's not just positively positively site as well they detail in reality is grounded in. And I remember you Benny bump into hell Markelle who you you came back, and we just never seen him. So happy I told him that did he. You're in the paddock on your Cadel. Now, he hasn't done that you explain what you crushed it. Yeah. He did the one of the must have been my first meeting with him in the Brazilian Grand. Prix paddock of the Friday practice in twenty fourteen. I went past him and just is one of those, you know, paddock acknowledgment nods. He d with people that you've spoken to. And he came up to me and said what happened? And I said, well, what do you mean? What happened with the crash course, Dan kinetic crush the force India? I think junior in F B memory. So I said, I think you've got me confused with somebody else. He said. Yes. Daniel Janka day at my bit longer than Hayes. He said, I remember him from the BMW days only had long hair, resemble him picket sakes, allegedly. But certainly haven't Mark I thought say and delighted the sport team in the office. I mean to be. Likeness to than than cadad- doesn't deal. So podcast doesn't do it Justice. Really? Now the visual tree for this. You don't sound like for show. Much less Spanish. Before we talk was a question, Mark. So since we've we've. Relations between of improved. He now recognizes AM and doesn't accuse me of being somebody. I'm not. But yeah, I mean, we used to seeing him be so frustrated with engine matters. I'm sure he was a massive part of the various fines that rebel had to pay for slagging off the Reynaud engine over the past few seasons because he was never sure of a shark comment after another failure disappointment, but he was small Zimbabwe Selena, and I said to him. I'd never seen you say happy, and he said, well, we've never done so much mileage so the the baseline package at red bull on the half is absolutely has met expectations at the very least probably exceeded them. Now, we just wait to see how Honda manages the development curve through the season. How it manages strategy of lifing parts and swapping bits and bring in updates other engines use of settings the pressures on this year. They have they've had a year of grace really with Toro. So they wouldn't acknowledge it publicly, but they have they been able to work down the great, maybe slip a few changes or with penalties in unnoticed without really any consequence that isn't going to happen. This year red bull because we know the gap between the top three teams and the rest is so big still even may have closed up slightly as a result of the new regulations or the approach the new regulations they are going to be a top six prospect to every track possibly podium possibly win contenders. There's nowhere to hide their and every little thing they do once again as it was in the McLaren Honda days where expect -tations were. So high is going to be absolutely scrutinize to the degree and how Honda maintains its common, it's focus and proper procedure three that situation is going to be the encouraging thing from report side, what stopping say is that they haven't had before is an engine manufacturer says it's going to produce something, and then doesn't do it. And they they said that Honda. Is giving them everything that I said that we're going to give them the preseason. So that doesn't early box ticked. And. Tanks. No nine was missing. Very very different story to what McLaren was promised. The last time we went into a season being told them the Honda was going to be powering race winning. But the other thing that has been impressed by is calm and focus with the way the hundred in working, and that was something that definitely will the the change in mentality and working philosophy last year. That was a big thing that crept in everything was much more disciplined. Everything was much. More organized updates were were brought to the track when they knew that they would work the only one that was brought slightly ahead of when it was ready was the the final performance upgrade at the end of the year in Russia is didn't end up running that was because that they'd full and I think ever so slightly behind on development and they wanted to get out in Russia. So to make sure that the race they really wanted it for which was the home race in Japan or we've was working. So that wasn't that in GP engineer. Exactly. But that wasn't not sound applicable in apologize on their behalf. That wasn't strictly them. So failing to me deadline. It was more than introducing a slightly earlier. Failure to protect against a bigger one that would be more costly, and you Benue ROY. When when you say that they had a -tunities last year to slip in changes and stuff like that. Without it being too much consequence that they will be bigger consequences this year. But I think both read born Honda even though this stage of the season or the stage of preseason. They're talking about obviously, the intentions to go through the year without using any more components. It's not gonna happen though, is an absolutely not. If I was if I was going to take an educated guess, I would suggest the they'll have a new engine three ever spinal Monaco the argument for doing in. Spain would be tomato. Everything's fine form on account. But that's a good track for red bull because of the air dependency as well. Yeah. So our reckon engine to be introduced race five or six, and then that means you're putting yourself on course for engine free around Bryce ten maybe twenty one races in the season. I reckon it'll be at that point. When engine free comes in our him. Will be that big reliability step. That will be the spec of engine does then capable of doing six full grumpy weekends or or what you need actively to to then do a full season. So because to see that happen if it does indeed have thing the big test phys Rabou Honda partnership it SUV, right? Well, sunshine and smiles now in a certain honeymoon period for stopping oversee is excited said he couldn't sleep before the first test, but is much anything's better than Reynaud Fred border moment. And they are it seems emphatically no worse off. But the tension will come when or if things DV things start to go wrong or Hyundai goes down. A blind alley or some unreliability creeps in or performance. Great doesn't work and then rebel misses out on opportunities or some of these things compound. That's where the true strength of your partnership lies, if they can stay together, and and strong through the bad times in a way that McLaren on the couldn't then there's a true sign. This partnership could be built to last. But if not then it could be the kind of same psycho, we've seen the both McLaren and Honda and read boo an Reynaud repeated over again, well is a little bit. Like, we've got Ferrari Ferrari, but instead of personalities to companies because for our ego, situation, women's hip and auto is reaping the rewards for just not being the person that was there before. That's awesome really was happened at the moment. And it's the same Honda just because they're not run out there already got a lot more. Goodwill Benneteau in Ferrari's biggest challenges a yet to come haven't. Even started yet is gonna be the same rebel Honda. They're all going to be massive tested. They need to pass to prove to red bull. They're winning bet. Not just this year in the future because ultimately the old victory. This year isn't any better than rebel Renault had last season and reports picked on because it wants to four titles again long expecting rebel Honda. It's calibrate three win this year and similar to rebel lost. You're gonna argue with that. Now, I think that's about total push. Maybe maybe next year. Now, we know. Boulevard stopping is key came last year. He learned he didn't have to be a hundred percent of the time. He could be much listen to his dally. He'd be a much more mathematically realistic nonstop percent and still be quicker than everyone. The interesting question there is how he responds to 'cause he's probably half hoping championship push the stage, but he responds to to this. If he sees the progress for next year, he'll be thinking twenty twenty can go for the Catholic. But also got Ashley moving from Rossio tough else for gas leak preseason wasn't easiest him. So we'll expecting from these two drivers. Well, the the cave of established. I think he's how much better the Honda engineers compared to last year's runner engine stopping his essentially rooted much of his struggle. If we like over the last year, the overdriving the incidents with things have caused us to question little bit his ultimate standing in his potential slightly, and certainly of of landed in hot water with is ROY was in the FAA squarely at the door of the Reynaud engine being so far off Mercedes and Ferrari that he's had, sir. Trying make up the deficit with risky moves and risky bits of driving. So if the hunter gives him that little bit more leeway to driver ninety nine point five percent or ninety five percent, depending on where slots in and he could be in for a fantastic season. If it's no better. Relatively speaking than we could be in for some of more of the same certain places oversee that will be tracks where repport relatively much stronger before he might have to try so hard, but some of the other races where he's starting fifth or sixth knows is only chance to get on the podium is to do everything on the band's I first lap who lead to more trouble warranty. And I think he will care so little about what the external thinks of him. They he'll do whatever he feels. He needs to do in the moment. Whether it's good or bad. Ghastly Haiti's just to be careful that he doesn't fool into some kind of for stopping whirlpool when he gets sucked into weld of trying to match into quickly measure himself against him too hard too soon because that has become most by the food very much for stopping team. He's the guy now with even though he's younger than Christian Horner saying, well, he's a reference point. Now, he's got to do the leadership and. And lead the development of the car. So gussie kind of has to accept now. I think not go in there with too many expectations. Not trying to be the big dog too early and just build himself up us a period of grace to karma ties. Probably not repeat the mistakes. We saw in preseason testing that will be crucial and then just deliver the your heroic drive kind of like we saw last year in the Tora Rossy. What Guiseley can't afford to do is treat this as oh, I finally got my mom. Big show. Now, Anita make the most of it immediately straight out, the blocks. Because correct he's up against the driver who had the pleasure of being good enough racing enough. One for stopping is the last person would one on the oversaw of the garbage because he's probably the quickest driver one lap. He's re one thing enough credit for is absolutely superb with the tires his race management. When he didn't his own is phenomenal good. They did a lot of work on that. Or also for his first. Season in fifteen him and Carlo science knowing that they had to rookie drivers, which is unusual for Torah. Normally they have one experienced driver in one rookie is the way. Right. Boot drive a skiing works with this time. They had to complete newcomers. They focused all of their winter testing efforts on tires time management time when the predator particularly sensitive. I think Verstappen took a lot from that. And his. Been able to use that to great effect during the during his career red boost. I absolutely agree. And then the over element, which is so of is so on track, but it's mostly off track is the Verstappen factor rep. Oh, the way max into an extent. I guess y'all says well the way they can play the game politically the off the track is they know what evaluates to rebel. So what ghastly can't afford to do especially if he can't match max straight away or even into the second off season. And even then what you can't afford to do is of getting a position where he's beginning to eilly night himself within the table, an really like Pierre. He's he's he's a very very nice guy. So I can't imagine that he would knowingly managed to inferior anyone to tame. If he starts to lose, a quite an emotional character. And if he starts this question things within the team, like, we know your massive nine MS who said they promoted him ideally year too early because. The circumstances. They wanted to keep Ricardo's they would have had sciences backstop against that oversee relations soured there and science was doing his own thing. So ghastly wasn't really meant to have this. Strive under any kind of plan red boo had only as essentially a last resort. So he needs to kind of see it for what it is. And this is a bonus that I'm in a red bull Honda this year. I should really be in a tour. Also on the steel and just keep everything on the DL. Nice entailed. Don't try to hard don't annoy anybody on Geely big concern guys. These those two accidents in sting were connected to the family starting to have a little bit a little bit of trouble adapting to the red bull able to be confident in the car. There's a little bit more nights than ways hunt had before he's a very aggressive joy because he impressed me lost year because he's able to be attacking ROY from the off. But without making mistakes, if you p one maybe hind doesn't it? Yeah. You have to get familiar with the car. With when he joined the joined for race five in twenty sixteen and basically Ed to take Ricardo setup most of the season because everything is just not quite how you would like as a drive it takes time fee to ingratiate yourself with people communicate what you want work out what you need worker how you can get what you need. If you try to you how you get yourself into trouble bus while he needs to tiger taking his time approach and just say we'll just play myself in a bit. You can't afford to get stuck in that might rever, but just try not be trauma work against the car were with the car and and play your play self in. But it's it's going to be difficult because every time you step up levels of joy, whether it's from categories or whether it's within Formula one same's, it's a new harder test on the more pressure. This is what he's called to deal with intense pressure on him to deliver. Now annoys germs given. How much for stopping raised his game with Ricardo alongside him? You could there is an argument having gas Lilongwe saw initiate. Someone is if he sent sports going to bed himself into the team is going to solve tight the way that we saw of stop and build up because he had to be. So so good to establish the advantage that we saw had over Ricardo last season. But will I think the motivation that he's got because of the new Honda partnership the factors you talked about Ben he maybe he won't have to fight for every single hundreds of a second every single corner of every single lab, which is what he was was telling me, and the fact that he also instabile mature when you know, I've not had the the pleasure of have sitting down one to one before. But I did have that chance to impress season. And I was really impressed by is. He just seems he seems very relaxed. But you say seems a lot happier to to understand what his role in the team is anonymous sky said he did a TV interview during testing where he said like they've not seen the stop Innis so focused you're in preseason before. And he does seem to be more mature. And I asked him of why? What is that? What is the off supposed- new preseason attitude? You've got Anita. I'm just happy. But I'm just excited and think he's. A sounds like an obvious intra super as you said he max is still shockingly young. And I think it's taken a time for him to work out. Exactly. What role he can play in the team? So he's maybe I don't know. I am wary of going down this road of stopping immature. Now, he's found more maturity because I remember speaking to Marco tower when I hired him and one of the big plus points about stop and go into Markelle was his maturity, he said I met him aged sixteen and he came across the he was twenty five years old. So I think stop and has always been quite mature for his age. He's been very calculating in the way, he's done things. I think he he's always known what he's doing. He's very rarely emotionally reactive. He might sound emotional in the car by he's very in control of what he's doing. He's doing things for fact to get what he wants. Maybe he's run aground in terms of maybe not being politically astute in certain situations. And of course, it's easy for him to be happy. Now. Because it's the the wonder of the new isn't it note on go rhino? He he's felt that he'd had been winning many more races. Maybe even fighting championships. If it weren't for a rubbish rhino engine in the back of the red boots. He's been driving. And now he feels like potentially. He might have something that can take him to the next level. Of course, he'd be happy. And of course, he'd he'd be happy with the team and. You know, be happy to say the right thing on camera because he's going. He wants I agree. The econ- have it both ways. He can't say when everyone was questioning whether he was ready to come into one is really mature is great a say, oh, well, I think he's maybe was immature before maturity is no binary, you know, either mature enough or not mature enough. He that would have been elements of his character that men as I seven year old he could cope with that. But there were other things especially that we saw last year things like complete inability at times last year to own up to his own mistakes. How long did it take him to actually accept that? He did change his appropriate chat with his dad. Didn't they? This is a key part of the stop in dynamic really get the sense that. Well, because it is how they've gone racing since dot is very much, a father and son project, isn't it. You know, they did carting together. Josh was right behind that doing engines for him running the carts even Fulmer three they were heavily involved in operating that car within venomous for Ross has always been a power behind max. I think he's the key guy. That max listens to you. And all the noise builds around Formula one and he was start criticizing max Duggan. I think can tell your said look on this thing you just need to dial. It back just to allow it and you'll be fine. And then he changes. So I think the key to max doing things differently is always his dad things because that's the way they've always done things. I think he'll be transformative for stopping us cheat this year by any means, I think the way he's able to analyze things break stuff down work methodically and be so metronomic in like, I said. Race management and stuff. Like that. That is he has already been right into an incredibly high level just think from the little bit sore and heard from in preseason from what horn remark, I was all signed Behar about what they've seen as well. I just think he's just unlock that little bit more that just means the just a bit more complete. I think it's just wherever was missing before. Or they think might not be missing for for much longer. He's probably just relaxed into a little bit has name. That's the thing when you knew and Pepsi you. Well, thank fairly do have a disadvantage, then there's pressure on yourself to maybe try that bit too hard to prove that you're better than you look. Whereas perhaps he's finally realize actually I'm I'm good enough need to worry about that. I can just take it as it comes and not just gives that layaway of extra capacity to to deliver more consistently and maybe not get himself into such water. But we'll see what we three teams and six drivers down the end the party will be back in pot three to look at the. Rest of the field today. We're more connected than ever. Also more distracted. We've got things to say. But is anyone listening? And BBN T. We make sure your voice is heard. We listen and understand your needs. So you can live your best financial life. Everyone else may be distracted. But our focus remains on. You being t always see is you BBN team member FDIC. Seven more teams to look at. Now. The the babe battle seems to be as tall as either bad. Maybe this show, exactly exactly flooring. Cosby hero type start the season strong in mobile, and he's he's going to be the coffee lead coming into the I think it's incredibly close between the works Renai team in has by stolen. What we saw him into testing on just gonna edge has ahead of the state just fail. The given that car take Sawyer. Of space from the Ferrari package looked so good out on track started law season incredibly strongly and should have been and were ready by writes, the fourth best team full his exactly and for these stop runners would have backed out with the results. I think everything is aligned for them to start a season, really strongly. Melvin by Reynaud, push them hard. Just given that car was late and not light so close to being late and they were short on parts and drive quite conservative as very difficult to know exactly where that Pakistan is I just think as has done since I've been in phone when they start strong, and that's why expect from the Melvin t and that means than take all of about six hours before we get the first nations of pinafore, I'll repeat car and Ferrari copy here who is kickoff. I understand the arguments in the logic for house. They deliver good in preseason testing on Guinness, even even wanting to change my mind after preseason after especially after speaking to friend of autosport Corinne, Chan doc, he found particularly quick has Latin agrosiand Lapid see three compound lap. Very representative. Clearly, it's very fast. Awesome. So I saw that. I understood you know, try to people and also thinking yet maybe going to stick to my guns off them feeling the end the preseason testing. And I just think the the Renault works team has so much. So Vince locker the are just I think I think it will just about the head of the midfield. I still think operationally has has a few question marks. And they're not the best maximize in their package all the time. So do key special running to get into key three? And then the first corners. He was sixteen hundred in case where he lost any element filter over the hassle based on package, especially bumpy street circuit. It would just have the extra of compliance. You need to get a bit more out of the car is the Renna was struggled with that ballistic missile different debaters, who's going to be strong in Melbourne. I think we all expect has and then as the season goes on. Because that's a different question runners got the resources and needs to be they will imitations on them and testing they're on parts that they are s wearing problem with with recalled that's bright cooling. She's they were having to work around. So. Star strong should. Cannot afford not not win them in win congress. If I win the midfields lights last year, that's almost get enough aggression. And that's what they can't win. The whole point of this project is to get closer to the top free and less for whatever reason they slumped to fifth Burr somehow closer to the top free unac- seed, they're points whole from last year. And that's the only kind of with mitigating circumstance where you could say, okay, we fall back, but it's better. I think just very quickly on qualifying in male winning a grown special. I think that I think Reynaud can lean on Ricardo for home circuit. I wrote his new team. So I think they'll be an element of Ricardo pulling something out the bag on willing to concede the hassle we quickest and that you win that war. If you saw it with me the rent, I will probably do the business over the courses. I think. Jenson's agreement. I think ran I absolutely have to do that. If Renna have a lot in the bag that we haven't seen in they start the season clearly the fourth best. And that's that's the kind of based on they really should be looking for. And then it's all about just kicking on trying to catch the top three. Really? They should exist in no man's land. Between the two, and I think the I think the fact that I'm saying they probably gonna start behind that suggests that maybe then already not quite on track. But let let's see over question for podcast, hosted strew. Why do you think for which everyone was talking excitedly in the first test is more even be best to the rest? Why do you think this oh slumped because Neave amino Ben jumped to the machine t to sail would directly they offer very good stray at the box and sunny sunny in midfield. Green by next. I think isn't it. Yeah. There's basically six teams in that. So as runner house alpha McLaren's, also rising point. To order. I think we probably saw alpha closer to that potential quicker. If you say, I mean, I was a little bit. I was even in the first half starting to be a little bit suspicious seeing a little bit of rail limitation on the car and just thinking. Yeah. It's it's a bit unstable the rare she have seen from that team in the past. I feel very decent car to start with beneath a little bit more work before he can get so that preeminent in the mid failed in the midfield area of Kim. You're organiz go variously experience more like the handling trae exactly the shaved culture taciturn in coined nicely. The thing is we are still that's talking about very small amounts Wentz much. We saw how well that same style velocity at develops. And that's going to be interesting to see how they do this year, whether they can get themselves. 'cause if you find yourself a few times where to the rest that's enough to media to the to the front of pack thing alpha will be strong. But I don't think I. Star striker very very surprised essay significant upgrade package, if I suddenly turned up with mobile Royal from they could be they should be hopefully, still on the edge of Q three. And then it becomes a big question of the question was rally as if he does what he did last year. And he quite often and qualifying make little crucial mistake here in there rather than costume replace also that that could cost you three three rows in this midfield pack. So yeah, that's interesting things folic if I if I can reprise your terrible joke pan plan words from part to this podcast head. I wonder if for Melbourne, certainly if the if the the dark Rosso in the pack is someone that was that was that was almost that was worse than your thing that was more tortured. If you know if you know, what even called us wouldn't be proud of that. Yeah. If you knowing what talion was without on that. Yeah. Exactly and also, adopt Toro instead of dot Rosa, so old and. Terrible effort for me. But. The tour Rosso in preseason think Alexander one is gonna be on the certainly on the sort of caution rather than the sort of peer gasoline when it comes to how close he's willing to go to the limits early on. I I quite fancy Daniel caveat to have ago east quality previous season, we know quick kids, especially one lap and the wall L now the fifteen that car has reports on it teen, isn't it? You behind. You started six. It's all be fifteen isn't it? So it must be still Fulton Fulton. Okay. SEAFO always one blind red bull. Okay. Only thing that that call and package looks quite tidy that certainly showed flashes. A proper pace in preseason. Big question, Mark is whether they may be turn things closer to eleven in midfield. Roy. They definitely did some work on the home the Corey mode. I think there was one stunningly falls album up which was on one of the slow talk. Crickets, but sneaky, and it was a stealth Kalima. Ross is good. I'll just look at it. On track thing, you just need a little bit more downforce to go with the goes I'm expecting for Rossa because I did Lisa bits on and development over Windsor. I'm expecting them performs follow the season to be better. As you go through the season. I'll be surprised if they can do. Fail. They're going to be a long show for teeth three in mobile. They start the head of the second group with the midfield nightly radio thing we've seen much closer to their limit. If performance as you say, they lack overall downforce, Michael the strange thing Zorro so in racing point of life in similar positions. We know the rising point starring from a lower level night one sleeper gonna keep upgrading our seen that seems for India before. So those those teams I'm exacting. I'm expecting to get stronger. Mclaren we still don't really know what they're doing. They're in the midfield pack. I wasn't completely convinced by the club the red stability. But again, he's under what we're going to see from the camello, they wouldn't take much a few times here, and that might the difference between forty and one and being on the edge of key, three the note benign out all of those three teams. Mclaren racing point and torso. Need an update package to thrust themselves into that greeter back to the my yes. Yeah. No, classy, there's one. In classy, at the moment, isn't quite clearly I think what we saw from testing. That was everyone saying the midfield is taunted than ever on. Do. You think there is a there is a gap of souls there between between the two of them racing points on the release price me because we kept being told the obviously their new found investment that they were in such a strong position star twenty nine teen certainly stronger than they've been in recent years. But and I know that we were told by the technical director, Andrew Green, it will be car in in testing of use that phrase so much because I thought it was just a really good description the green years with a than an aggressive development program for Mel, but on woods, and if any of that trio, especially given what McLaren of donning the last couple of years is capable of boating on not great package for rights, and it work in a mmediately. I would Bank on racing point doing it. Because the full force India squatters, so good validation and bang for buck. What they bring to the track almost it works a lot more than it doesn't. It does. So any of those free on our said toros, I. Mobley Dr calls, but that's because you know, across eight that's because we know that's because we know you the the the potential packages. So if I give ROY and maybe someone slips could get their of the other two I offense racing point to get closer to the top ten McLaren in Australia, if they update yes, I think they've got the most potential to break three of class b two shall we say, I think racing point are the ones who I would expect to get have a good chance. Go into the hunt for fourth in the constructors. Yeah. They should. Mean the new the new money coming in but were decisions made on the car that were might before will circumstances ally like eighteen Merck box, and they got around eighteen suspension than I used. So it's a bit like twenty fifteen isn't it not going extreme when they started the year preseason with an old car just run the new engine, but they were so late with things. And then you saw they started the season obey slowly not qualifying kind of back in the key to scoring points because there's such excellent racing operation. And then once they started boating upgrades onto the real car. They just got stronger and strong, and that's exactly what you'd expect to see this year. But it's going to be a great battles. You those half dozen teams in twelve drivers. And it could be a really spectacular season. Mclaren come the big upgrade package that the full sense of the writing makes a huge difference. It's gonna be it's gonna be fascinating to watch that. But I think what we are show of is. They are again a step back from the top three even if they are closer than they were. That's still kind of gap between the haves and the have nots has lots of teams interesting stories there. It was gonna make a really good subplot. I guess we should briefly talk about class c Williams. They have to be forty two. Of course was late and slow insisting which is never a good combination. I guess if you're going to be slow you you might be late. But. Yes. Go Williams in the sites have flocks. We had last week that that Patty low with at that's off off take leave apple leave of absence of phrase fund for personal reasons. Obviously they decided he's not the guy technically to lead them. So. Is is this just a year basic now ROY tofu Williams when it can do track giving the gap they had to the front. It's difficult to call it a complete write-off because everything they do this year on either say this last year as well. But it's going to be massive now lows around it's going to be a massively important year for them to work out. What the hell is going on and on validation of the progress. They thought they were making dishes calls going to be important. They've had quite a few setbacks obviously been late to the star testing. But there is also obviously the fact that it was in slow from Cuba surfing. He only knows twenty percent of what you need to know for is become back. George Russell, the f two champion f one rookie says that the differently slowest and the team of also had to modify the the the the wing mirrors and part the front suspension as well. Because he on the were unhappy with their solution. I probably be unfair to Fraser as a legal. Because obviously there haven't been any checks or anything like that said the mirrors useless, didn't he didn't make the bits of you. Don't think they're gonna be legal. We'll put under the heading of things too bad for Williams rather than illegal. Yeah. Absolutely. So they fought their design was within the interpretation of the rules. They needed to make sure they're agree. They didn't say Williams is modifying it kicking a team when their dad, exactly. So it's just going from bad to us Williams. Isn't it? You could scripted a more damaging start to the season for them every single thing that could go wrong has gone wrong and probably more. There's no way they would fit this. This was meant to be the star of the rebuild. This was meant to be the lessons learned and everything was so bad being put to bed, and then I'm building something new a proper concept that Patty lowered overseen and finally older, the brilliant and the success of his f one career up-to-date now finally bearing fruit Williams and spark in his glorious revival. And it's not so much. How to force stars is broken down and everyone else's at the first corner, isn't is nightmare in Ben. You must have. Would you do have been around when force India MRs star of testing they would let us at twenty fifteen. They missed the first week is that right? They started with an old card in there. I think they didn't miss. Yes. It was the reason he was much less chaotic than this situation. This is what was going to ask. Because that's evidence of the fact that just because you have slow star affects new car. It doesn't have to torpedo you'll season. But I'm guessing you don't think this is quite as optimistic up Janati for Williams as it was for them. We must you can light. But don't recall miles of the back. It's actually if you can if you need extra time, then you wanna make sure it's put to force. India has done knowing that the money's not there necessarily when you need it to do certain things they planned around. Okay. Where we can't have the car we won that say testing week too. But we can get the car. We want four race three in China. If we take hit earlier in the program, and they've destructed it was it seems like Williams were planning to hit week one of testing and crack on they didn't unexpectedly and you're just chasing your tail after the army, and that's in a context of team. That's got stuck in kind of spiral of decline. Release that strong twenty fourteen season. I one under the fee six hybrid engine rules aerodynamically they've been week for a number of seasons. That's part of the reason that former technical director, Pat Simmons got frustrated while he was working there. New Brima sweat through potty lows in with all his Mercedes tied to experience Dr bay from Ferrari was hired as a top aero recruit. But it's been more of a revolving door in that team is gone now. Patty, lows gone are the people within the engineering and team structure of gone in the interim. There's no stability. There's no. Performance in the car. It looks bad on track. It looks undercooked. The drivers look unhappy. They're going to be off the backs are not going to be scoring points. That's gonna affect their chances of securing more sponsors and more prize money and veteran vestment for the future. It's just really really difficult to see a positive in the William story at the moment. Which is very sad. Certainly harpoons. The feel-good story is Robert Cabezas comeback. Looks massively frustrate. It doesn't go. I who's obviously gone through hell, and it's roic that he's making a proper racing come. I can phone one a tool, but once he's got that seat. Clearly, his mind has shifted into full-on racing driver mode. And he's there to do as well as he can and get the best results possible. And I'm sure he's looking at car thinking, this is this is the worst possible thing could be getting into was probably more. We talked about about the midfield battling the battle of the back. But we're going to have to move on some of flies to catch a mobile after all before we before we finish quick short answers here driver's champion. Ben. For me on the spot. Yeah. I'm gonna go. Listen moton. Scott Sebastian festival for the sake of variety. If nothing else. I'm going. Lewis Hamilton construct. There's no snow evil, but let us because champion. Furry ferrari? I'm gonna say he's gonna stop behind. What you just gotta go with the trend of the past few years ago regret from four hundred forty two hands. And finally, the Nana say the best place, but the standout rookie. We've got even answer. Yes to racist. But still rookie Alexandra Albany or Rosso Londonorce McLaren, and George Russell Williams aren't the joy on expecting to see the most from. But will probably be the least obvious in terms of tracking his progress. George Russell, I think I think Alexander one because I think he's in the car that can arguably produce the best result. I doubt that. And so few people are expecting anything from him. I reckon hill grabbed is optional by fans very much. It's good group to see what London Norris can do. He's got tough ask what he's doing. But he's he's a job of this coat. Got good speed. If he fig- never good rounded season. 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81: Discovery of the Goblin - SpaceTime with Stuart Gary Series 21 Episode 81

SpaceTime with Stuart Gary

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81: Discovery of the Goblin - SpaceTime with Stuart Gary Series 21 Episode 81

"Mississippi USA. The space Tom's made possible with the help of the great courses plus learn anything anytime from the leading professors and experts in their field. Sign up for your free trial now by getting to a special URL. That's the great courses plus dot com slash space the great courses plus dot com slash face that way. They'll know you came from us and you'll be hoping to support program. That's the great courses plus dot com slash space. This is space time series, twenty one episode Eighty-one for broadcast on the twelfth of October twenty eighteen coming up on space time discovery of the dwarf planet goblin, the Voyager, two spacecraft the bed to leave our solar system for interstellar space, and you observe Asians, challenging the standard model of cosmetology all that and more coming up on space time. Welcome to space time. We'd Stewart Gary. Astronomers detected yet. Another distant world orbiting the sun far out beyond Pluto, three hundred kilometer wide twelve planet. It's been catalogued as twenty fifteen t g three eighty seven and nicknamed the govern- because it was discovered close to Halloween. A report in the ester. Physical journal says that newly found transient cheating. Object was discovered. Eighty s genomic units out from the sun on a highly elliptical, orbit, skimming birth. The cargo and or cloud and astronaut, Michael unit is the average distance between the sun and earth about one hundred and fifty million kilometres or eight light minutes. The copperbelt is a ring of frozen worlds comets, and I see debris which circles the sun out beyond the orbit of Neptune its best known members, the dwarf planet Pluto, which is currently about thirty four s genomic units app from the sun. So that means goblins about two and a half times further away from the sun. The what Pluto is right now. The ought cloud is a hypothetical severe sparsely populated with comments and interstellar matere. Title surrounding the sun orbits beyond the kind of built observation suggests that the newly discovered planets para helium that is its closest position to the sun is about sixty five eastern units only twenty twelve EP one, thirteen, and Setina at eighty and seventy six s genomic units respectively have more distant para Hillier than goblin calculation show that goblins Orbis probably which is all the way out to an affiliate. And that is its furthest orbital position from the sun around two thousand three hundred s genomic units. The study's lead author, Scott ship it from the university says goblins one of the few nine objects that never comes close enough to the solar systems, giant planets, like Neptune or urine isel satin Jupiter to have significant gravitational interactions with them objects like goblin. Twenty-two. VP one, thirteen and sedna are selected from most of the solar systems known mass, which makes them mentally interesting to study providing new clues about the dugout arranges of the solar system. Ship it together with the studies other two authors, northern Arizona university's Chatri Jilo and David Thole on from the university of Hawaii discovered them while continuing their ongoing search for planet x a possible knife planet in our solar system. The surfer undiscovered planet x is estimated to be up to four times the size of the earth with around nine times the mass at it's highly elongated orbit around the sun estimated to last at least fifteen thousand earth years hints of a possible planet x came to light when astronomers noticed unusual gravitational perturbations in the orbits of more than thirteen capability objects, food of being caused by interaction with an as yet undiscovered, massive body. It was the discovery of twenty twelve EP one thirteen by ship it into Jilo in two thousand fourteen which led the pit. I nurture similarities in the orbits of several extremely distant solar system bodies and resulted in their hypothesis for the possible presence of an unknown planet eggs. If it exists, the mysterious planet x could will be an interesting. A rogue planet. It was captured by the sun's gravitational pull much like many of the objects in the cloud, and other possibility is that it was stolen by the sun's gravity from another star system. A third option involves several models of planetary migration within the early solar system, which suggests that is Jupiter and set in my grad it out to the car. It orbits they gravitational perturbations caused Neptune inurance to also move outwards in the process swapping over the positions and triggering third ice giant in the group to be flung further out either beyond the solar system into interstellar space or out into the Coppa built where it's now the mysterious planet aches. Phone says, the team thinks that could be thousands of small bodies like the government out in the solar systems out of fringes, but they distance makes finding them difficult. He says these objects alike breadcrumbs leading the team to planet eggs. The more they find better their understanding of the outer solar system and the possible planet they think is shaping their orbits. It's. Took the tame a few years of ups aversions to obtain a good orbit for the goblin because it moves so slowly and has such a long orbital period. The authors I observed goblin in October twenty fifteen. Using the Subaru eight made it telescope located atop Monica in Hawaii. Follow up observations with Magellan telescoping chilly, and the Discovery Channel telescoping Arizona helped terminates orbit. Computer simulations then showed how goblins orbit could have been impacted by a possible planet x. The location in the sky were goblin reaches perihelion is similar to twenty twelve EP one, thirteen Sidna immersed other known, extremely distant Transneft union objects, and all that suggests that there's something out there pushing them into these similar types of orbits must of the simulation show. Not only was the Golden's orbit stable for the age of the solar system for point six billion years. But it was actually luckily to be shepherded by planet x is gravity, keeps it away from the massive planet find out more Andrew. Dunkley speaking with astronomer. Dr. Fred Watson, we gotta talk about a new dwarf planet that has been discovered. They've called it goblin. I don't think that'll stick for some reason. NATs note a new planet. 'cause it's probably being there for a long time, but it's newly discovered it is newly discovered and to come clean. It's proper name is twenty fifteen TJ three eight seven. Doubling bidder lightly meta yet. So why isn't called the government? Well, it was discovered this. It's nine implies in two thousand fifteen, and that discovery was made roundabout, Halloween people, obviously thinking Halloween thoughts, and they like TGI as well to g suddenly became the goblin. And so the government is what is name is now. But as you said, minister to ago, you can bet your life when he finally comes to the crunch of choosing nine for this object, it will not be the governing, what is it? Okay, it's dwarf planets. That means it's very cool. It's about three hundred kilometers across, but what's interesting about it is not shepherd size. It's where it is because it's in the really demand distant how to reaches of our solar system. It's all it is very, very elongated so long. It's almost a straight line when it is at its closest. It's about two and a half times further from the summit. Pluto's motos about six billion kilometers on average two and a half times further, but furthest it sixty times for the Pluto. So you know you talking not quite a trillion kilometres it's about, I think I will tell us about three hundred sixty billion kilometers when it said is furthest unease orbits its year, went for this series forty thousand years around the sun. So it's a slow moving distance remote, tiny objects and very faint because three, three hundred kilometers across his not much when you're looking at those distances until there's a really nice comment here says, ninety nine percent of exorbitant will be to find to see that's all the facts as we know them. But the next story is interesting, but because this place direct claims the hypothetical planet, none. I was going to bring that up and I was gonna ask, you could this bay it. It's not planet nine, but it's telling the same story as the other asteroids out there. In our solar system. And in fact, it was because of the search for planet nine that this thing was found just to recap this sort of, I suppose, ballot of icy, asteroid way out in the depths of the solar system. We call it the abalta, although sometimes that's a misnomer, the safest way to refer to them as trans Neptune objects. These drop jets bail Neil net to you because there are several different categories of them, but the kype Abell is, is one of them that's about of objects that was predicted actually back in the nineteen fifties by Gerard p quite per, who was a very well known Dutch American astronomer. He suggested that the left of daybreak from the full action of the planet is orbiting way way out in the debt to the solar system and sure enough in nineteen Ninety-two. I think the first one was found, we now know that Pluto is one of these objects, and there are many others as well, including at least one this bigger than Pluto. So that's the family of objects that the governing belongs to. But some of these asteroids are in very elongated orbits like the goblin and they're all bits. Are all sort of aligned in a in the same direction. And that has led a strenuous to believe that there is a much more massive, object way way beyond even the goblin which has gravitational pull, which is aligning these obits unexceptional Jack that his is yet undiscovered planet Sohan planet nine. That's right. So planet on his while that's being cold. It was hypothesize about three years ago. I think when he first you know, the idea I came up and so since then people have been looking for it as part of the search for it. What's happened is found the goblin which is another planet is not planet nine, but certainly in the sense of direction. I think planet nine is thought to have up to ten times the mass of the earth. So it's a big object, but it's also thought to be a d'extreme -ly remote distance, which is why we haven't found it yet. And the interesting aspect of all this is that the place where people think planet nineties Heidi is right in the Milky Way. So. You've got to an area of sky that is absolutely spangled with stars and what you're trying to find is a very slow moving star, moving among them. In other words, something that's just like all the others because of that distance planet nine would just like style, but that moving slowly between the stars and that's quite a difficult problem. If you've got very rich, very dense fields of we, we can't say the forest for the tree basically exactly. Is it possible to display it? Non could be one of those rogue planets that you and I talked about once the just sorta gets thrown out of whatever all, but it was in wherever it was and is floating around. He's possible try that would mean it was not gravitationally bound to the solar system, and I think the calculations that people have done too. So the predict to our planet nine is and this is all based on elongating of these asteroid orbits. I think that has a new enough that it is gravitationally bound to the sound. So it is out Shane, always around some, probably, you know, with a similar kind of forty one hundred. Thousand-year-old bit something similar to what we're talking about with the goblin is interesting stuff. One of the things that makes you take seriously is that the goblin was discovered by one of the biggest telescopes in the world. This Japanese Subaru telescope, which is on Medicare, the best northern hemisphere sites in the world for putting optical telescopes tonight meter mirror, and that means it conceive faint objects. But Subaru is interesting because he's got quite a wide field of view, so it can produce images of relatively large areas of sky. Most big telescopes. You only see very narrow field of view and the Hubble is the extreme example of that. It looks at tiny bits of sky in great detail. Whereas what you want to do is look in detail, but also see a big area of sky in the Subaru telescope lets you do that. So clearly the allocation committees that look dishing out telescope time take this proposal for planet nine, very seriously indeed, and giving big telescope time to the project to try and find it. So it's a question of watch. They spice when the. Dust settles a bit. I'm sure the goblin will get a much more elegant name. These Transnet union objects typically are named after figures in the creation legends of indigenous people in the territory in which the object was discovered. So no doubt goblin will wind up with a very elegant, Hawaiian name because that's what it was discovered. Fantastic. And while we're still out there, I've heard whispers that there's another campaign going on to have Pluto reclassified as a planet, yet another object in that area that's bigger than Pluto than you'd have to make it a planet to. And then you start to get into real messy stuff. I think most astronomers in the world share the view that I have Pluto is not a plummet, and it never was end of story. We just missed classified. It was the only one we found nodding thirties, now that we've found it now bond should stop thousand more than these objects known already in the public millions out there. So it's not a planet. It's still one of the most interesting objects in the solar system, as we know from the fly by of new horizons back in twenty fifteen. That's Dr Fred, Watson and astronomy with apartment of science, speaking with Andrew Dakhli on assest the program space, nuts, and this is space time. I'm Stewart, Gary. Okay. 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That's the great courses plus dot com slash space. And now it's back to the show you're listening to spend time with Stewart, Gary. Data suggests necessary to spacecraft might be about to leave the solar system becoming only the second man made object after it. Sistership Voyager, one to reach interstellar space. Mission managers have detected an increase in cosmic rays that originate from outside our solar system. Since late August, the cosmic Ray sub-system instrument aboard, the Voyager, two spacecraft as mentioned, a five percent increase in the right of cosmic rays hitting the spacecraft competitor, early August and the probes low, and then she charged particle instrument as they take that a similar increase in higher energy, cosmic rays, cosmic rays a fast moving particles wall. Some of them do originate from the sun other more high energy cosmic rays originate from beyond the solar system. Now, some of these customers raise a blocked by the Helius fear submission manages expect the Voyager. Two spacecraft will measure an increase in the rate of cosmic rays as it approaches and then crosses the boundary of the Helius fear since two thousand. Seven, the void you two probes been traveling through the outermost layer, the Helius fear avast bubble surrounding the sun and planets dominated by the solar wind and the sun's magnetic field and what your scientists have been watching for the spacecraft to reach the out of boundary of the Helius fate nine as the halio pause. Once would you two exits the Hillier pause? It's an interstellar space launch back in nineteen seventy seven void you twos. Now some seventeen point, seven billion kilometers from earth that's just over one hundred and eighteen times the distance between the earth and the sun. It was back in may twenty twelve when void you to sistership Voyager. One also experienced an increase in the rate of cosmic rays similar to what for two to snap detecting. And that was about three months before void you on cross the Hillier pause at one hundred and Twenty-one s genomic will units and moving into interstellar space. However, neces- scientists warned that the increase in cosmic rays itself isn't a definitive sign that the probes about to cross the pause. You see. What you twos in a very different location in the Hillier sheath. That's the outer region of the Ilias fee compared to where Voyager one was, and it's also traveling in a different direction. And so it's possible that these differences main void two may we'll experience a different exit, time-line compete, Voyager one, the fact that fortitude may be approaching Heliopolis opposed six years after void. You ones also relevant because the Hillier pause moves in outwards depending on the son's eleven year solar cycle, the sun solar cycle refers to increase in activity from the sun increases in the mission such a soul of flays and eruptions of material Co. Colonel message actions. It's the same process which causes geomagnetic storms around the earth June the eleven year solar cycle, the sun riches both Sola minimum and solar maximum levels actively what you project scientist. It's turned from Caltech, in Pasadena. California says, there is no doubt that instruments detecting it change in the environment around Voyager to, and scientists will learn more in coming months. But stern says, scientists. Still don't know win. The pro will reach the Hillier pause ole sure of now is that it's not that yet. I'm Stewart, Gary, this space time. Recent observations have been creating a puzzle for Astro. Physicist tried to understand the evolution of the universe. The findings reported in the journal of the stunning and astrophysics suggests few galaxy clusters of being formed since the big bang than expected according to cosmological models, the universe is thought to a form thirteen point, eight billion years ago in a big bang creating space time and everything in it, including all the energy and mad at the cosmos consists of from then on space time, rapidly expanded with everything being distributed almost evenly, but not exactly even -ly it someplace as Mademoiselle little bit denser than in others. And as a result, these dense originally exerted slightly stronger gravitational pull and slowly attracted more and more meta from surroundings, over time matter concentrated more and more within these kinds sation points at the same time. The space between these condensation points gradually became emptier and over thirteen point, eight billion years. This created the Lod scale, cosmic web, like. Structure of the universe today that weblog structure comprises the filaments connecting notes, stars, galaxies galaxy clusters and super classes. These filaments surrounded by vast near empty voids gigantic holds almost completely devoid of matter. The standard model of cosmetology describes this history of the universe from the first seconds after the big bang through to the present day. The beauty of the standard model is that it manages to explain with any six parameters. Everything science knows about the birth in Evelyn of the cosmos. However, thought the flora and Picard from the university of Bonn suggests the muddle may now reached its limits because basis is concerned a new survey shins pointing to the fact that matter is distributed differently in the universe today compared to what's predicted in the standard model. His concerns began when he looked at measurements by the European Space Agency's plank satellite, which makes it the cosmic microwave background radiation. This is the optical. Of the big bang when the first atoms formed and photons rabbit or escape, and it conveys crucial information on the matter distribution in the early universe showing where the densities word just three hundred eighty thousand years out of the big bang. Now, according to the plank measurements, this initial distribution is search that earth Akasa MC time more galaxy clusters should have formed the what we can actually observe today because ports x Ray satellite measurements of the number of galaxy clusters at different distances behind this is that light from remote galaxy the traveled further billions of years in fact before reaching us. And so we observe them today as what they were when the universe was still young. 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Brazilian Grand Prix review

The Autosport Podcast

1:00:27 hr | 1 year ago

Brazilian Grand Prix review

"Hi It's Jamie progressive's number one number. Two employee leave a message at the. Hey Jamie it's me Jamie. This is your daily Pep Talk. I know it's been rough going ever since people found out about cappella group mad harmony. But you will bounce back. I mean you're the guy always helping people find coverage options with the name your price tool it should be you giving me the pep talk. Now get out there. Hit that high note and take mad harmony all the way to nationals. This year sorry. It was pitchy. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates price and Coverage Match Limited by State Law Formula One world championship season maybe buried in terms of who wins the titles but the Brazilian Grand Prix proved has plenty of storylines still to come. We had a great battle for the lead with two overtaking maneuvers. Red Bull back on form and winning. We had a Ferrari get them with veteran Leclerc coming together gasoline getting a most unexpected podium Lewis Hamilton. Getting his first in Ray's penalty for collision for quite some years race. Adopts the everything we even had a color science getting his first podium after the race finished so massive amounts to get into Scott much away. You must be very excited. I'm extremely excited. I've had some try English chocolate there. We we don't do brands here on the oldest podcast. So I'm a brands hatch sometime Very good very good I am in I mean acquire. I'm tops always nice when Make Reysen already a on. His whites being inquire quite interesting grumpy. And then the loss you lapse just means are they. Sup- go down as one of the most spectacular races of is one one of my spectacular racist if this engineer yes only massively. must've as he sat kind of build to a crescendo. said he might look a lot better saying as I actually want to go up in the morning Roy my hotel room and stood into what appear to be a swamp after a substantial overnight lake and my day also got better because I woke having to deal with some credit card fraud prevention this morning after my credit card appears to have been cloned while we were in the United States a couple of weeks ago. Yes we've done very very well bannister. Track down what are the takes Evans to shut down the leak to to the bathroom lands After trying various personal possessions electronic items did it managed to get going. Well this many topics we can get in so I kind of feel like we should maybe start with the Ferrari Collision Sebastian vessel title Charlotte Clark of outs of the rice As a result costly for Ferrara's it costs the full place at that stage. He wasn't that they were they. were running in. What do you make the whole thing? Can you kind of talk us through how you saw it. My opinion and the facts of the matter I think a quite closely mostly aligned on this one because for once for once this is this is not some vintage Scott Mitchell Hypo leclair absolutely the amount of federal into the first Lovely move really lay down the inside. The soil moves that really rams home so Who's WHO's as the boss entertain us? That's what it was to to my mind Veteran tried to fight back immediately on the exit ten free had they are s down to ten full Lukla moves to the left defend and vital was on the outside on the right hand side and this point as easy catching McLaren about to draw alongside these pretty much level. I think he's on the white line all the way down to turn four but then inexplicably Kabui fettle moves to the left while still sought by. Saadallah doesn't stop. Even they might contact and it's it's not a huge hit with the consequences of huge because it breaks the class will when it gets veteran puncher and all of a sudden Friday's races imploded. This veteran club dynamic that has been very tense at times this year but only ever really in the form of Taymor team orders and status in the team. It's never manifested itself in some on-track Control Vesey in terms of the way they race one another sunny spilled over massively and it feels like this has been coming for some time and for the first proper on track contact flashpoint to be this significant. Ferrari's got a massive problem on his hands. Because this wasn't the students view. This is a racing incident. Basically they said no one was predominantly to blame and dot could could not disagree more in. My view is clearly veteran's fault I think it's I think it's borderline petulance from four time world champion to react that way after being mugged off the way was by the cler. I think the steelers decision. I think the the unofficial teammates no one else involved collision rule has as apply fire in the segment from from greater. Well any penalty in fact. I'm not sure the patch is the right word without my know what you mean. I think it's it's just the red messed isn't that he's he's been basically mocked by the cleanse the first corner he's desperate to cap past. He's evidently just decided so so he's not completely completely focused for whatever reason just drift overly on his team I and we seen this time and time again shades of Turkey. He twenty ten for example drifted over all on Mark Webber fractionally different circumstances but the dynamics have plenty. Similarities starts Singapore in two thousand seventeen when he calls that so that that still shots and I really liked that Eliza driver he just within that Ferrari environment environment doesn't seem to consist keep under control the solid of him that makes not such a good driver and I think that's what we saw today. Just a a bad reaction red mist and horrendous misery that you cannot in any way it should be I think any other than five minutes temerity to race so against his team I which matchup and also said is absolutely fine so Leclair totally in the Clare Bulls Invalid Corps on this one for me. Noise me is that they say that both drivers have taken Steps to to mitigate the circumstances but that's nonsense because the rules clearly. Stay all you need to do as a driver is give the driver one car with right. The clerk clearly gave vital more than that because vetter was up against the white line. I'm able to move at least around a a car with and a half in terms of where it was the the the truck because he moved about half a call with tools to clear so the club did everything right by the rules. So what the streets saying here. What precedent is setting thing in the middle of all of this? Let them raise. We want to see how to race in what you're basically saying. There is that when federal moves across Leclair has dimitrova otherwise if the overdrive moves moves into him and causes contact. He has a plot parts of planner. Instant absolutely nonsense for me because vegetables. Not Racing Heart there. He's driving into somebody and at that speed is really dangerous so I just I. I just can't agree with the decision in the slightest. If you a moving I run someone on the Straits. Awesome to take evasive action. It is your fault. What's more Vattel had the day? RS He had greater momentum had to finish off the move. I think into turn full the left-hander on the outside but I think he basically basically had half a hand in that position even need to do that. So it's even from that perspective. It's it's Paul race craft but yeah they stewarding points. I just think it gets that I just let it go away with Elma ground right. Do you think that that should come into it in an ideal world. Probably not but I think it's Sir I think he's a pragmatic position that they take. We've seen this a few times as example last year. Perhaps with the two hoster visit Silverstein on the I lab because the the only people inconvenience with themselves it was kind of allowed to slide which is not necessarily correct I can see the reason why pregnancy but producer if given some licensed points for it so something of course Farrell's I can't remember exactly where he is up against the the potential lost some but he's still not kind of doc zero so in the clear now so but they can't give they messed up the licensed point system on hd stay. They tied it set penalties rather than the put giving them as kind of penalties in themselves as they went about. So that's another topic but yeah I say any exceeds driving into people straits. This is not acceptable. It's incredibly dangerous as well is incredibly dangerous. The other thing is well from Ferrari's points of view is that that should have been really really really positive rights and a positive storyline for the clar- because he charged up from what is the fourteenth and it would have been third place for him uh potentially because he could have gone after he'd been in a position where he might have been able to attack. I one who had obviously passed. That'll and in any case this. This was a considerably stronger performance from Ferrari than they showed in Austin so it should have been around quite positive that was obviously more scrutiny on on them after another fi technical directive and this attention over there engine advantage. One just just won't disappear. But Ferrari for all the positivity roll roll. The improvements have clearly might've COB because I wasn't not much slower than Red Bull through the twisty bits in Brazil. They should have been overall positive raisin and quite good salvage job a permit from a difficult weekend given the close group penalty for new engine and instead the question marks still remain over the engine on the legality side and now they've got the makings of a civil war brewing between the two drivers because of the actions of the driver that was meant to be their guide to the world title this year wilted under pressure more than I think I've ever seen him. Well they had a few years of what we saw last year with. Phase the ballot with the battles with Hamilton. Unfortunately that's I think that's just very consistent pattern now in the in the Freud is definitely want to get too much into the engine side of things things before we but we should say. They looked very very quick on the streets at about six tends advantage on the streets on Friday At times they were rapid rapid in free practice three on the straight spoon come qualifying just a tenth and a half on the Straits quicker than stoppings. pole-winning red bull which was interesting. It was interesting. That's exactly the same word that Mercedes technical director. James Allison used as well when I asked him about on Saturday after qualifying and there were few do things about this weekend. In terms of straight-line speed performance that was slightly unusual. Shall we say he had the ripple Honda was was clearly very competitive from within the composition of the the Honda Power Unit. It makes it is particularly conducive to good performance altitudes twice free races. Now we've had a high-altitude race where rip one hundred being competitive and in fact it's both qualifications we're talking about Max tappin. He just didn't get the podium the in Mexico and we saw from often enough got the first one of the season Australia which is at low third-highest outs cheat circuit is an engineer. secaucus about three times is new. Mexico's more than two. Nothing yeah so next way out of whack but yeah so it was interesting to see that that kind of straight line speed a little bit coming and going for the Ferraris which is Which is unusual butts night protests still insinuations going on but the other Ferrari straight line performance in qualifying wasn't anything Anything particularly out of Out of whack so we could move on from amount for the Naba. We should talk about stopping and red bull. You kind of alluded some of the reasons. Why the Hondas rentals clearly could for this kind of circuit a few coolness? Jonas that way not strong from San will help really can help to call. Arizona seems to work reasonably well in these conditions as well so they so why Weis struck me as the best the best chance for red bull together lacy's and Mexico as well obviously had things going a little bit differently and then verstappen open just just nailed it the just absolutely on it and it wasn't a a simple rice fan motza because he had these opportunities to it's a mess it up losing track position twice the staffing was just one of those. I'm mega. I'm going to be unstoppable in this race. Movies wasn't a today because he he he looked in control for the first stint I initially. I think we both thought he might have lost it at the star but the second phase of his stars in particularly really good and then when vessel got mugged Hamilton around the outside into the first corner staffers in every time he seemed to get the the ratio of Under control there was a little curveball. I was in the pitstops covered the the Hamilton Mercedes on the car. It was touching go where the heat emerge ahead because how so much quicker in the middle sector looked absolutely not on the Hamilton would successfully employees undercut ah out ahead but then Hamilton caught the close long running Ferrari at the end of the lap and held up a bit so I reckon that would have been really closed but then we didn't get to to say because when this happens about to come out of the the edge of the pit lane there's an Errand Rob Williams which has been released from the garbage it little bit of a delay keeps oppose anyway into the path of stopping. It looks a little bit like he moved over on him. I think that was looking as I was stopped. So I think that's just a function of I did initially but functionally last pitstop and you want to get as far over to the right. It's possible young Makarov to get to the the left-hander in the pit lane so I think this one's based on the on the on the Williams team but certainly as costume crossing the staff and a little bit and saw him on the way in it cost him a load of time on way out. Yes so max to take evasive action at the end of the pit lane which he said resulted in him. Slowdown Saimaa amount of the ante. Stool nearly kicked in And then he has a white behind the the Williams. Free the pit X. Y. Round which obviously is quite is quite unique into logoff so all all the way round and then nylon on the exit. But that's when we saw the first glimpse of Max's on definitely not losing this race mood because Hamilton still couldn't get positive and spent two thousand a lap behind the Ferrari by the time they go to the end of the middle sector with. How did they move around the outside out of Leclair into that false left-hander at the end of the sex immigration and then I happen just reacted immediately dive down the inside of Leclerc Leclerc the very next corner by the time they're on the start? Finish Straight win the arrest Ryan has drs has the tie. And then I think Hamilton also so they have not been quite the right amount of information transfer because he he just breathes Paul's Hamilton. In the end 'cause Hamilton tune was basically out of out boost wasn't even from from the battery. So I I it looked like wow ripple hunters massively fast in a straight line. How's he done that? But but then it transpired that how he was suffering from clipping wasn't he just wasn't wasn't there at the end of the at the end of the strike. Yeah I think you'll see you. You're listening to be surprised by the staff as well because normally cover that way then he made. So lights when he suddenly saw the stop unless we seem to be taken by surprise by it is interesting because this came about one point seven seconds behind Hamilton. I think that that was a little bit of a guest house. That was a mistake because Mercedes with trying to get track position. In a fundamentally slight. Well maybe fracturing silica basically. They certainly didn't have a pace advantage. He was very very similar so they had to use plenty of that battery on the out lap and then I think the kind of if there was a mistake there it was it was not kind of cooling Hamilton off because getting costly clear it was less of a premium that stage simply because you can argue the the stop an and isn't going to get him a little harder for staff and to get past Hamilton Hamilton. Who have that bachelor any also potentially? Even if picks aches upset Myers estimate had they all gone so that the law straight together decide maybe once keep it so we go to new. I made absolutely the show. That's going to be a heads they could have until it's tricky interlagos because there's not sending when it comes to the breaking harvesting has not masses breaking signs etc but may say he's going to give themselves a tiny bit more overshot. Avenues always is always going to be difficult but for me the great thing was that move stop and made on the clerk just straight through his urine cow. I think that played a part surprising. Hamilton Mercedes as well because I think they probably thought that just at least get enough of a of a delay from from that to stay ahead of phenomenon strike. I was so impressed by stop and did because he was he. He was flawless Whose floors for qualifying and in the rice and when he needed to get his elbows out when he needed to make the ended ended up? Show you that decisiveness. When the race is on the line and you've got split second to make your move? He had ever seen right because he then goes onto Louise Having regained track position he then goes on to lose it again. Not through Well not necessarily not for any without in but they cover the the second attempt to decide on the Cup we've relatively east but then when the safety car is basically it comes down to the split. Doesn't it between who stops again for fresh tires. Under the safety car and who stays out a Mercedes basically told Hamilton the box opposite staffan good ripple called for stepping in for fresh rubber or another set ties rather forfeits track position because the Hamilton stays out so then he's do the job again while all time is on his side and he's got ties to do you can never be hundreds and Shaw Hamilton. Did his best to thwart by attack by by managing managing the the the restart backing them up. But I didn't waste any time. Did he just went straight past really efficient really effective driving from For Staff and then I think had the rice kind of settled things beneath cool. It would've been a little harder for him to get past so both of these occasions. He's absolutely cracked home. John when he's had so and that's ultimately and showed he's won the race. I had a few curveballs Threatening of course that that safety was caused by By the balsas engine a failure and then his car got he parked in a great place but his car was just slightly beached on the on the floor. They couldn't actually roll it back. They had to use the tracks. The tracks Aksa is within the track conference of very obvious reasons given things that happened in the past. It's automatically safety car. Even though he has a track the car back a few meters is but that's why there was such a big time difference between the my potus parts and slightly strange safety that we weren't necessarily expecting there was one other thing about Stephen's race. It was very impressive and it was from that moment to the end and it was. His management of the final safety car restart even Hamilton. Who maybe you think oh would would take issue with stop and did which was taking back in them up to to really extreme? Basically within sight of the of the line before before Ganden and went away caused a lot of lapping and mess behind it was moved was within the rules wasn't even looked at Hamilton. Said because I was waiting in the in the press. That's conference in the driver's came out before they were all Mike. Tappan ready to go that we're talking about the lose. The final restart hunters like Manu absolutely note. That and the I just think from start to finish Max at Everton and right and can we give Can we give the also podcast listeners. A bit of a sneak peek week. That's Gabrielle ten attending dry. Doesn't it for Stefan. Yes probably I will look in some of the data out. You never know what you find but it certainly failing like one at this stage. We say we'll be decided in the hours after this podcast but I like to make sure I try and get all the facts in before i. They have a positive but yeah excellent joy from Max stop and no question so many pitfalls avoided lead the listeners and are going to be absolutely baffled when they they wake up check. The drive is right Dr Ratings and he's got seven hundred ten. Well if he does it will be a good reasons. All because there's been a mistake and important the number which is always possible. By the time I come to to Rodney robots who I am something on the great joy from Maxwell stop and then of course Lewis Hamilton. Then had this at this strange role of the dice at the end of the rice with that was a little bit of not necessarily miscommunication but not the ultimate clarity to him in a kind of asked him for his opinion tires and Hamilton was quite keen on stopping eggs. Eat some fresh had told him you only lose one place. which would have been Sir Alex album now as it happens I lost two places because appear Catholic who had been also long ago double check to us about one hundred thirteen hundred fourteen seconds down on the leader a lot back under the safety car so as he was leaving the midfield his car was also? That's also not. She lost to places where he kind of made this evaluation given guidance on just decided to take it which was a James Allison's worth dom it was just one of those things I should say there's a there's a few things you could say could have done better ultimately they've owned by championships. They said they were going to be aggressive if they had a car. The wasn't quick enough in in qualifying and it didn't have this pace advantage so needs a possibly hats. They had to have a few pumps to try to do something. But yeah that that that second star that final stop rather made no sense because we're almost at the end of the Rice Alpha. John's is gonNA finish onto safety rating up to green flag laps. I quite liked the the way. That Mercedes was aggressive earlier in the reason. They were forcing the issue. Sometimes you spit it boring. Because the team's just fall into the pattern of of the the racial playing out really so criticism for full force the issue early on but yeah by their own admission it was a misguided attempt. Doing some of in recognition of the rebel was slightly. Faster released. Wasn't going to be overhauled on on pace. Hamilton said a few times during the race. He can't you can't do this on in a in a straight fight so the trying to roll the Dawson and they got it. Wrong is one one thing. Isn't it if they drop behind our one and then don't make the place back. It's another if you just completely forget to factor in another car. Yeah that was that was not just a plain mistake. I think that that just wasn't wasn't right because that creates the situation where Hamilton had come through a couple of cars of C.. mind he wants to have a go at stopping. tyrod Ballard volunteer at this time so he still in fourth place dispatched touched Ghazali. Having next in one of the fronts the midfield straightaway third place and then chasing album now. He got a five second penalty for this incident with with Albain. must've metlife wants live. Fractional defied my position on the not completely transformed it. What did you think of the penalty for causing a collision? Do you think that was merited across. thatt's we should say relegated Hamilton to From from third got just held him off of course down to seventh in the final results. I understand why the penalties been given an is the right decision because will Hamilton with on staff to F- to accept the blame because by coming out and saying he takes full responsibility because he was the call coming from behind and he didn't mean to hit album he he saw got went free and then the gap closed so he takes responsibility for the contract. Eighties Bang to rights in the streets because he accepted the the blames. It was easy. They the easy for them to give him a five second penalty. Wasn't it made a big difference because seven the results but it wasn't race ruining or anything like that but I'm a bit torn on the incident because in Albans own words he wasn't he had no idea where Hamilton was. And at some point Egypt had to turn in hypercard wasn't there. That's that's what he said and to my mind. That's slightly callous. Maybe it's a maybe it's a barrel of the mirrors on these cars and the nature nature of close racing but it did look a little bit on first few in like he had just from his car into the apex when there was an attack coming. And we've seen a few decisions from from the FAA recently. Put the onus on the car on the outside to avoid contacting to give the colony our needs solid racing room. But we didn't see that today album wasn't really. It wasn't used in the album Hamilton incident. It wasn't used. When when Ricardos got penalized for trying to pass Magnusson turn for locking up over the curb and then hitting Magnusson? There was no you you be there to say. Well Magnusson on the outside left in more room so seemed a little bit like a conflict and we have a clash compared to recent rulings but Maybe we'll do diving too deep therapist the FAA let them raise role. He kind of think. Well doesn't it was an honest attempt from Hamilton. We've one and a half laps remaining to take second in the race and yeah the consequences of big for album but is was that not really lead the definition of a racing incident at drive a guy for the inside joy on the outside taking a Chanson tending in hyping contact. How do you apportion for dominant blame there? Obviously a little bit I tried to out as instruments happening before the collision happened because it's one analyzed corners where it's at the launch of the white approach which leaves the door wide open. I'd have rather I think we saw clarity. This at one stage when he had a disadvantage earlier in the race he held a slightly close to middle line just to stop being leaving the door wide. I think I think album a little bit of trouble with a gripe bit of race craft Then initially I thought no way was Johnson. Let's say again and I I kinda see where it's coming from but I'd have then happy to let go if almost Hamilton. Maybe maybe Hamilton's mistake was. He did back out in the end. The not made it worse than it was he just sort of a paltry one thousand starts earning and maybe it would have been a little bit. It's a little bit different but I think Hamilton was magnanimous about it. Because hey he can afford to the base and of the season I think this is the first time since I clash with Ricardo. In Hungary. Several years ago that he's been found guilty so I I think this is one of those days where he could because he could afford to have a little bit of a guy who can afford to be magnanimous and ultimately is no massacres. Tip costo album. But I think Albuquerque played it better. I agree it would it. It was a shame because it would have been great to see. I won't score his first phone. One podium and Hamilton knew the incident took away from our was was very apologetic freeness poorly probably why it took so much blame because he knew what he taken away from from. Alex Alex and it's a shame that in that situation I was rice. Crop wasn't quite up to scratch because my word the movie polled put himself in that position until he inherited second because of Hamilton's all pitstop but he wouldn't have been in that position to inherit that place if he hadn't pulled an absolutely brilliant move the restart. We use impressed. Impressed with that was really good. Outside of federal ended up on the kind of official Ross in the out of the festival of the Sun S. kept his foots in made it work. You know he's a he's decent in battle album thing. That was really nice moment. Where even though his pace hasn't been studying this weekend or though as we talked about the full first season being competitive of Maxwell Staffan not easy? He looks kind of honed in the up up from in that regard mixing it with joy was like veterans Yeah at a podium. You must have been good for me kind of feel like to make it mission accomplished this year. He just needs to get that podium. He's GonNa have one more chance now but he he almost I had it at a well he he just has this really really encouraging trade. Which I think very good drivers have which is even even if you're having a slightly muted rice or weekend wherever if there is an opportunity for you to to just I shall a little bit resolve show a little bit that decisiveness? We talked about stopping if you get that one moment where you can suddenly make a very big difference and it's basically make-or-break fuel race and you can grasp it that to me. Is the sign a very good driver. An album has that trait. Because there's a few times now where he's just just showing he's able to turn around and average performance into what could be a good performance or very good performance and that's very impressive. The twisted thing for me with regards albums pursue podium is that free of the full rebel drive is of now scored a podium this year. And we'll get into Gaza lease incredible second complacent in moment. I'm sure but it's twice now. The album has put in a performance worthy of podium. And it's it's been another red bull driver WHO's ended up not fluky. That's unfair but in Germany album was the more impressive. The toros drivers the chaos of the rain hit raise. It was done via who ended up inheriting a podium place and this time when on the brink of having really really done well to when that position Guiseley who did a very good job and deserve to have a little bit of good luck he is the one who ends up inheriting his own first podium podium finish in F one so slightly slightly twisted their if album. We'll see the funny side of it but maybe he will in time right now when you come in and switch to t mobile double you get the amazing iphone. Eleven pro on us with iphone. Tennis trading. Aren't these mountains majestic Joe. Are you even looking king. I'm posting these amazing pictures. I took with my iphone eleven pro. It has three cameras. Low those picks arm using and you have service to t mobile. Their their newest single goes farther than ever before. Then you can look up whether these are bear tracks right where we just run. Come to a T.. Mobile store today. The pipe phone eleven pro on us with iphone tennis trade-in and right. Now get four lines for just thirty bucks line with auto pay switch today. Contact us if you cancel or credits may stop and full price do plus taxes and fees be at twenty four monthly credit for well qualified customers with qualifiers finance agreement zero down with trading plus thirty one twenty five affects twenty four months. pre-credit Price Ninety nine ninety nine zero percents. APR while supplies last. We should talk about peer Guiseley. The world's happiest man. The world's shout ceased driver after off crossing the line. I completely understand. He's coming from after the after the season he's hadn't the first thing we should say is regardless of what he finished. He absolutely Boston Midfield. On a weekend with a midfield was incredibly incredibly close receive some and fostering qualifying started sex and then just sat there in front of Cosby although I throw okay at luckily side but ultimately late if you are the fronts of the midfield and things go wrong for front runners ye will pick up these podiums. We talked about the performance. The Honda engine and I did make the Toros much more competitive prospecting the midfield this weekend. We still do the job. I'm well gosling was was running around the front of Class B as we call it. His teammate was down at the Thailand. This weekend struggling awful the life of the place in qualifying and yeah it just goes to show you know people we talk about car performance being defined. That's awesome strong but you still got to do the job. And as we did the job he was he was really good weekend started with his former rebel team. Boss Christian horner sign. That goes leads done an exceptional job since he got demoted. Not from rebel two tomorrow during the summer break. His health has been really impressed. I think everyone's been really impressed by the job. Gasoline Don I think is is it finally points points finishes from eight now or something like that and of including this amazing second podium of the Toros I never chief that second place. He put himself in a position to inherit a podium spot. He drove really well. He had a level head. It didn't panic it was. I think it was a stop there. We've got these greatest. FM forms so far. Yes very much. So if you look at Bahrain shares little little bit of that in in many things headed added to that as well though I think that if the thing that was really impressed with is the fact he managed to hold off Hamilton. Yeah sounds a little bit of front wing damage from the collision with Albain even. But I don't know about you but watching all over him indigenous how I thought we had helper hell firm Hamilton. got a little bit of a roadmender still at the end of the drag the law and the Honda on the power came through and and you could just seek as Lee was absolutely just was willing willing to car to get Sunday was what was is some tiny modules. Auto's name was suddenly lesson. I the verge. That hate wasn't quite as six six hundreds of a second semi but to really really great for guys the and it just shows is how sometimes when you get drivers who perhaps on the complete package but but a very good you know. The first half of the season he was he was not particularly good. He was one of the weakest drivers on the grid iron rule in terms of performance against while he delivered second off the air. He's been among among the better drivers. So it's it it tells you how. How all these things can have destroyed? Environments looked confident. He's been quick. I still. I'm a bit disappointed. He doesn't seem so acknowledged some of the weaknesses. It calls himself a rebel and he did call himself some problems that butts I roll. This is a reminder that he's very very quick driver there was a reason he got promoted. There's a reason he was so impressive last year and I must admit coming into the season or call him about set also Gazi had the pace occasionally to give verstappen the hurry up. WHO'S GONNA be qualifying time? But yeah the pace I used to do. We never saw and I think this is just a really nice rounded performance delivered in the pressure point at the end brilliant and the stopping in Hamilton said much the same. They were both both very aware of the stuff and more so because he was his team. He was one dishing out that hall treatment of Gaza over the first twelve races but stopping in the Hamilton. By very aware of what caused is gone through this year and by Saturday will really really pleased. Hamilton said it was awesome. And like I think stop happens very similar just chuffed to see a guy who's been in furthering a little bit. Come out with a with a mega resort like this as we said he has been really really good since Osama break since that demotions hundred really well. I wasn't entirely shaw Thursday spa I back. He didn't look like someone had come to terms of even though he died two or three weeks to think about it he was saying all the wrong things and and thinking about the wrong things but credit to him since he on track all Ross. I think he's been out. So April exactly agree with that he's outperformed Daniel Give Ya on balance like you've had a couple of patches about second off the season by guys he's been the stronger Soros. I drive in this period. We I also had a maiden podium once. Hamilton was penalized four color. Signs in the McLaren was re slide. He surprised to find himself south in the he started at the back. He got the The ignition wiring problem in qualifying. That manifest itself is first flying lap. Say Start from the back had a at a new engine in And he's come through on a weekend with the McLaren is not was not lost them failed to guys whereas podium and this seated that marathon stance on on mediums to the end absolutely brilliant that the thing that really amazed me is not final. Re Start Stopping backed up people. Massively silence was still on that set of mediums. The last thing he wanted was a slow restart in the instantaneous. Traction demand on watching. I think I'll setup call us back. But somehow he managed to hold off the Alpha Myers Roy. Graham paid absolutely stunning managed to you. Hold it often that lows. That's you see drivers in that situation. Go from up near the front down twelve before you could blink aiming jobs. Let Romain Grosjean mm-hmm well he's been saddled with passes in in recent times There's not been a idealist and restart the any In today's race. Oh yeah yeah sought a again. Yeah up so you. I saw the comparison. Now Yeah On agents science without particular excel the new songs. It's been really good. This season really strong and he was his best best rice before Saudi agreed with Australia. Up before that the last little bit. I just don't see I mean all authorized settle that is not lost restart the saying I did but really really good and survived. Of course this sort of. There's a little bit of a question. Mark about whether inappropriate use under under the yellow flag related penalties science. Science wasn't penalized on. I think it's a shame we didn't get to celebrate properly on the real podium. That team Tha later on but much deserved VM. Together Piji I think yeah. I'd say it's in the same ballpark as guys'll isn't the you make your own luck and it was such a good performance up until that point the deserved a bit of good fortune to go is where this is. Was It fucking half years with Knight McLaren on the podium. Two hundred hundred eighteen hundred nineteen rises something like that Signs his first piety minute one slowing down McLaren excellent this year. They've deserve the criticism. They've I've got in. Recent seasons earned a lot of praise this year from awesome from from a lot of people because of the way. They've gone about their job. They've done they've done it really well. And oh I've liked from signs the share as he's not just he's not one class Bay because on McLaren's days he's been to the rest he's he's had performances is where he's just properly properly holding up the grid unit. You mentioned Australia. That was a great performance. And and this was fantastic as well those days where you is. It's not the overperform the car or outperformed the car. It's is when it's when you absolutely now everything when people who have fast machinery story and the better and the order more in their favor dropped the ball and that's one of the reasons why the songs has developed into a really fantastic around drive it this year. I think he's really been the making of him. So far. Certainly strongest season in Formula One and yet mclarens had pretty much everything this year except the podium to show for the massive is that live my lawn signs and they go for good fortune on their side on the probably the one Sunday of the year where you'd never think it would happen because they started las ost. That did the job that does now. Officially secure them fourth in the constructors championship was already a Fordham Lesion. Really it's worth noting all credit to them law soul-searching in that same change has been made and I think there's some great strategic decisions being made for the future as well under leadership of Android WLAC. Not Saying that a but a lot more confidence in full now. The the Hamilton penalty promotes the Alpha as a Kimi Raikkonen and anti-nazi to fourth and fifth respectively Tivoli relatively straightforward race flows. Jeff announced he had to put in a really good first lap of C.. H. Spun on Hayes He's not lot and didn't get into Q.. Three unlike the Alpha struggled a bit recently put the upgrade on Singapore quite a big upgrade of struggle to get on top of it but we started to see some pace from that car and then here in Brazil you know that they really showed there on on on top of it and you know big points for them. That's much needed after the middle of the season They've had a low. The runs ahead in the race. Were quite quite uneventful. She would say yeah. It was It was almost a trademark came rock and then result. Wasn't it do a pretty good job. One of breakage of the undervalues it he did he did unflashy yeah not grabbing the attention but just doing a job rocks nine mistakes Bang Bang Ooh as a fifth-place and what will became fourth was fulfilled. So yes of course along with full but I must say very impressive. JV Nazi because I think this will be his his strongest performance so far just relative tipped rock and roll I can put in that performance in juvenile sees the one following it abstracts away especially after the fact that he he didn't cover himself in glory in qualifying arden and I'll be probably saying drivers qualified is where you put it on the line but Spinning Adr qualifying session is a bit field. Amateur a our primary and the the good thing that Jay for Nazi is he has struggled off to two years out. Personally I think the two years outracing excuse. Ace was very valid in the first half of the season I think needs to be careful to be too generous. And he has taken longer to get top of some of the challenges of time management in the cut and thrust in the mid his failed the maybe he should have done but he showed he he certainly capable of really During tonight I'm I'm pleased with that. That result for him because as I was in high school I want to do well because his stories very good as well. He's not he's not driving. That comes from money. He has had this time out. He's won Ferrari's Ariz trust. That's the reason is in the and the bottom line is is the reason. He's in the seat for next year. I would my gut feeling is the Alpha would take Geico Hokum bug if it was ultimately choice but it's Ferrari seat Ferrari wanted to Cape Him and he has been re-signed for twenty twenty and I just think his brilliant for him at the end of a really really up and down season where the happy more downs and ups they enter put in a performance like that the first race after been being retained for next year it just proves the a proves that it's not just the paymasters making the decision and it shows that there there is something about him and that's why he has the faith of someone Ferrari. Yeah he's got he's ability is obscene. No question about that frustrates me but recently. But yeah this is. This was this this was this was proper and in fact behind you we have done you Ricardo. You've mentioned him. An instant with with Kevin Magnussen Ricardo. Some this race we can with six sick spice. It wasn't a great one for for run on. Of course you had that five-second penalty for that flagellation which sends them to the To the pets very very unpromising race him but the the the the safety calls helped him and then he that's that Ponente re-start in twelfth place and then made it low to places in that about restore And then crossed the line Well seventh-place became six. That's a may was run again wasn't wasn't a great midtech. Brilliant Midfield car this weekend and he's come away with a decent Hola points and how I run. I wish that would have happened a little bit more than this this season to recite. Yeah but how how. How fitting is it? All A or appropriate full ran out on a day when two people make get there get there first. Podiums in is not It's not read. I was a team doing it. It's not someone on Nico Hockberg. They just do this a lot. Date night. Thing is pretty much in Monza. I think this year feels like where they've actually when there's been a little bit of Even not even monster that they had a great run there but that was because I genuinely ask awesome win. These results for grabs. It's never ran. I remember Hockenheim recalled. I if memory serves pretty much radio the almost knee and then helped him run Israeli well in the made that mistake or close out on the very slick drag strip stop. Yeah this this hasn't happened enough Run other should say think we call it is is a very strong second off season and and this is just a A. I think the the penalty for for seemed a little bit a little bit harsh with Saif Al Yeah I think so. I initially thought Magnusson. It just turned across his bowels completely and it was massively order but then watched it back again. Magnusson doesn't defend downturn four and actually keep sort of a wide berth. In Spicer the corner there is enough space recorded Ricardo squeezed slightly towards the curb Off The turning but by that point already committee it and he's already made a mistake is already locked up so I'm recording held his hands up and said these tight responsibility for it because he tried something mistake and he took out magnusson so Kant really again similar to to Hamilton. Listen I personally think that wasn't entirely the person on the insides fault. But if they're gonNA come out and admit inside yet. More bad than banked rise again students can is real easy to justify very very much so Lewis Hamilton finished in seventh place behind Ricardo recall to his penalty. Eight in the in the second McLaren. Pretty silly Georgia they're really Really it amongst on the first lap I think perhaps he got a little bit too caught up in battling with the cloud which I think made it very satisfying reaction to what was a bit of a naughty swerve from Leclair wasn't a on the corn because a lot from the also watch it from the classroom born there was nothing. It's just one I think it now is a strange one. It did look at it. I do think that in some way rolled him a little bit. But Yeah from from the noticed backup McConnell points says the jets finished ninth now. The the Racing Coin Ole Miss Eighties engine cars were a little bit behind where you might expect them. Even Williams were a little bit disappointed with the pace. Thank Mercedes as well. James allason admitted certain compromises you have the tow compressor and those compromise shouldn't have you been brilliant. Let's because there's only tracks that get up to that kind of a kind of levels. I racing point struggling. The COLLAGEN crite struggled. It's not it's not the car in terms of the Front End Front Limited in its Lagos's ideal sometimes for some of the colonists we had such as their ninth places he so often does coming through with With a couple of points I had it done. Caveat who picks up a point in space him after the race and he also he was a little frustrated the weekend when the car was so quick he wasn't able to do something a little bit so a little bit more Butts obviously he was trying to put a positive you spend fats are also at the picked up so many many points. But I think it would give out. You'd be a little bit worried about Gaza Liikanen getting on top of you and that's at that same given Given the pattern we've started to see in this part of the season. Well caveats basically been given a free pass to get back into one and it's almost like how many challenges this Guy GonNa get. He's back in in the Toro so again for twenty twenty if he can have the edge on showing himself to be Superior Korea gas leak when caveats had the full season in the car and goslings come in potentially a broken man after been smashed by stopping in red bull and then demoted it with his career on the line and immediately Galilee comes out swinging and establishes advantage. What's going to happen next year and Gosling has the full? preseason ought ought I like I like the cats come back. It's a it's a good is a good story for if one and there have been timeshare where he's done well. It was nice the same podium in Germany. Even you know it wasn't entirely on merit but this all weekend parise the difference I think Ghazni's Ghazi is forcing red bow to Cape Heap. Considering him isn't he in the in the medium term but it just feels like he's pice holding. Yeah strange the first off season was genuinely good though. Some Very extra-long drives I'm going to say I think as Selena was a really really good around Dr really strong performance for example and yet he's had some bad luck second off the the at Monza for example we lost a good result but yes it just seems to not not really really becoming. So yeah the funny. How that the sort of pressure the momentum waxes and wanes between between different drives now Has Quick over single APP when it was cooler but we ended with Kevin Magnussen Eleventh Roman growth. Thirteen hundred hundred points for chunk of the race. Then he ended up out out on the laws and couldn't do science. Did as you pointed out actually ended up with Russell in the Williams separating. That's George Rossellini. Fourteen less than fourteen seconds behind the winner and the sign of great progress and Williams Butts just the way the costs costs. Filing the rice and of course Eastman Fest bother ice behind cockpits before Funding is. Why is why post eminent? As sort of a bunch of stragglers fell back. Alexandra album came home. Fool Saint Nick. Welcome back down in fifteenth might much progress the race and he was given a a five seconds. While I've taken under the safety I finished out of bits of course who is a little cameo Apologetic about when he held up stopping and actually the super always classified in seventeenth and eighteenth had a long Straw. who had some form? I'm of suspension or bearing problem With the front right. If memory serves and as a small at night I think sinuses the first on the fastest. There's lot points has not been awarded. It'd be the lighted undelighted. Slap points stupid and as I've explained at length before why think stupid and I'm delighted Battery Bolts Asks for having picked up then retard because you don't get the point if you don't finish in the top ten which as I've said before is a ruler shows how stupid the as Washington. We have a point for that because I was in a foster slap wasn't strategy but anyway I'm digressing shouldn't go down that rabbit hole no you shouldn't. We probably should take off very very briefly after the high of Austin not the greatest Batas performance. It was it was looking pretty functional optional and then his old weakness of just these just not decisive enough in battle because he should've known the clash and he just saw did the debate and it wasn't getting the job done. Yeah they got a little bit that way. I think the good thing is is when they go really kind of falling away quite as they were the back second last year. He's immensity already struggling clearly. That things weren't going well then. Yeah this this wasn't a great Pretty weekend for For potus alters recent recent recent good form but again tricky weekend for for for Mercedes should we can we end with to core stats. You can be very cool Lucie. Now I'm going to go with the first one. What what engine is in the back of the red blood? I think it's a Honda Scott more engines in the back Toro so it is it a home. So what does that make today. The first one to of that return and I believe it's the first Honda one since the nineteen in ninety one Japanese Grand Prix. That sounds for. Oh that was That was weblog was given the win. Wasn't it by center. I think yes. So that's GonNa the State of the art countries. This and you can give everybody the other stop because we had two podium breakthroughs in the same race signs Zain Gasoline First Payment F. One when was the last time that happened and he was it. It was the ninety four German Grand Prix. Hockenheim it's one of my favorites because I would see separates shunts at the starts. What's and so we ended up with school points all season but second and third were Livia Paneth's than in his first iphone season Bernadotte finished second and third for Felicia? I paid him for both pretty amazing. Was I'm disappointed that I had to use Forex our database to check out. Because I should have been now off the top of my head because I do enjoy that race I remember. We're talking about health laboratory seventh and that is his best. Finish in the La- recently behind Eric. Nice Yeah so you're a joke and we can agree on that you'll be disappointed in yourself. Yeah as always us as how grumpy weekend should end but yeah it's funny as tonight because that was a little bit of a feeling at times this weekend the this is kind of a race to following the older titles have been decided. Everyone's getting bored of that. The whispering about the engine in stuff but then this as Formula One does is produced the storylines hasn't it. We've suddenly got the Ferrari situation exploding. We've got red bull back out there winning winning really event for Rice to maiden podium finishes drivers and suddenly stories absolutely everywhere which is which is which is good news for Formula One and hopefully that means I? Would I be in a couple of weeks. He's in finale. Can can produce a few more. I would be surprised if we w comes near this. What I would say as a sign of his do very much enjoy the Brazilian Grand Prix. This is about it. from the passionate fans celebrations. It was really cool seeing Bruno. Senate drive Roy Claritin before today. That was brilliant. The you know the conditions of of Brazil in the circuit circuit short which means it's compact act qualify much interested in The the altitude is a is a different factor as well temperatures were changing in freezing conditions with changing for the weekend. It's a IT'S A. It's a good race to have at the end of the season. Come because when everyone's tied a little bit jaded and there aren't that many story it feels feels like there. Aren't that many storylines around is the kind of raise the control something up and I wouldn't it be amazing if this was the last race of the season with this this crazy nature and all the storylines going into the offseason. Everyone's talking and excited and I just can't get that excited in confident. The Abu Dhabi will be the same. I just. This feels like the sort of place to end the season with a place that can throw up this race in Abu Dhabi just feels a bit sterile comparison but maybe we'll go there and it'll be superb. Yeah we have We have one particularly Madcap Abbott Abby Grand Prix some years ago where there's all sorts of colliding. But Yeah interlock is. It's just one of those places. Now in Brazil loves to spoil the whole set of things bring. I was watching that at the center ice for that with just the equal must've been head when Sunday was winning for the first time in Ninety K.. Wrong car see the damn as she never raced in Israel there. I sat ninety-one when Sunday got his famous. I home when that was really a vodka tip and it clearly meant a low for the home proud to enjoy and it's just it's just a place a Las Vegas Bowl and produces a great great racing and ridiculous and eventful race as well. Which is why? It's a log house as we talked about in the last podcast and facts ready designate us down calendar and it sounds like it's going see so hyphen coming back here for many years to come. Thanks very much Scott Mitchell and thanks thanks to everyone for joining us. Check also DOT com. There is all sorts of Fool out from the Brazilian Grand Prix to look at their. 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Episode 26: Coming Full Circle

Novel Targets

38:13 min | 2 years ago

Episode 26: Coming Full Circle

"This is novel targets bring to life the science around innovative new drugs. Gina sulfur piece. I'm Peter offered. The she is noble prize in physiology medicine went to cancer. Immunotherapy it's a defining moment that we want to recognize. Call the Nobel people said this was very Courtney was workers landmark in cancer treatment. And there was the first ovo prostate ever give catch. That was Jim Ellison under very morning announcement. Did got me thinking can you improve your chances of winning a Nobel prize? Well, it turns out nineteen Ninety-three laureate. Richard Roberts has ten. Simple rules. You should follow rule. Number nine is that you should always be nice to Swedish scientists because these are the people who sit on the Nobel committee's. We'll also hear about practice changing data from face retrials it by personal opinion. It is clear new standard of care for patients with Peterman positive metastatic, triple negative, breast cancer, plenty to cover. Stay with me for more. Onto many companies that would sponsor a podcast before they've even heard for first step Assode. But that's what she did back in two thousand fifteen this last episode sponsoring, so please join me in thanking them for over support over the past four seasons, as you know, sponsors have no control of the topics. We cover who interview of the questions we asked. So if we do mention any of their products we made own independent decision to do. So my fancs Holly Cokie and all the genetic scientists and researchers who've come on the podcast to share their stories. It's been a great collaboration that allowed us to capture landmark period and here from researchers who advanced the field, sadly, some like Holbrooke KOTA no longer with us. But his voice lives on where we might anti is our waste actually target these cells, these n que cells and make them work better. Do listen to episode six if you missed it. Let's travel to New York on the David Nobel prize in physiology or medicine was announced don't issue Mollison and don't Zuko hunt. Joe we're recognized for this Jeffrey of Scituate for and PD one immune checkpoints, MRs researchers out there who are starting out. I guess. Don't miss -sarily worry about. You know, having all your research directed towards some specific thing canceling just do the best science you possibly can. And and every now, and then, you know, shit what you learned mechanisms and thing whatever it is think how could I use this to treat cancer? Could he use this to to ecstasies or something? That's the way I prefer to do it rather than the other way around because the big the big breaks understanding mechanisms for science was it one defining moment. Verts you knew you're onto something. I guess it was when we got the first mouse floor. Was floor treatment show in mice tumors. Just melted away. It didn't really matter. What kind of cancer us? And that was sort of it. Doctors is to work at people. I know it is took me twenty years after that. Many of the cancer immunotherapy pioneers, we've heard on podcast talked about how funding recognition and belief where in short supply when they started out yet. They carried on regardless Chabala Filc Greenberg were postal together in San Diego in the mid seventy s oh, I think twenty thirty years ago, the largest fraction of people didn't think that the immune system was relevant in cancer. There were many of us who are studying it in animal models, and they thought an interesting work, but it's kind of parallel India -nology world, and it has no practical, meaning that's pretty narrow thinking scientific observations in questions are always telling us something. So for many of us we stuck in this field. When people thought it was just a laboratory exercise because I think we all believe it was going to have an impact. I don't think we knew exactly how or what or win. But we all believe that we were going to build something that we're having impact. And I think it's pretty dramatic that it does know what defines a great scientist. I mean, obviously, you have to be bright. You have to be persistent. You have to be inquisitive you have to really enjoy the process of asking answering questions, and you have to be open minded enough that when you get an unexpected finding this probably a message there that you would pursue nets. Indeed, really what happened with C too late for it was an unexpected finding and rather than feel disappointed with what you have is actually to build on that. And and work it out. And and I think he did all that. He's he's bright. He was persistent. He was inciteful any recognized that there was something really important. Would it comes to what it takes to winning oboe price? The only person who can really talk about. It is a noble laureate. I'm rich Roberts on the nineteen Ninety-three Nobel laureate in physiology or medicine, and I won the prize for the discovery of split jeans or intron 's an Exxon's almo basically that you carry all jeans or ranged very differently from precarious. Jeans and at the time. This was a big discovery. The told the world how DNA information was being processed. And I would say the day that we had the first picture showing this in the electron microscope. Everybody was talking about Nobel prizes because it was just paradigm shifting in any way. You can think about it. Why does the Nobel prize captured the imagination of the public? I think the reason that the Nobel prize has become so well known by the public is that in the very early days that were not a lot of prizes on the Nobel prize was very big one both in terms of money, and into of the fact that it celebrated just wonderful discoveries, and it is become widely respected, particularly in the developing countries in China, not so much. So in the US and Europe men, particularly in Britain. They still. Celebrate it. But it's not such a big deal because there have been so many British winners, you know, I can go and travel to another country very often I met by a attache who will come and meet me at the apple will take me to the P Lange will arrange for the best transportation to go to the venue that I'm going to one gets treated like royalty to be honest. That's not bad doesn't some bad to me either. So what of a rules that could improve your chance of winning. The first rule is never start your career by aiming for Nobel prize. I wrote that one because I think that there are many people who go into science, and particularly in Asia are discovered who think that the only reward that they can get for that science should be winning Nobel prize. And of course, because almost nobody wins one. They're all very disappointed and the bottom line is that you cannot stop a piece of research in which you aim to win a Nobel prize because Nobel prizes come from chance discoveries. They don't come because you were aiming to make a big discovery. They usually come because of chance that you're doing something that you were aiming one thing nature didn't work that way, you discovered how nature did work. And so then you made the discovery. And if you're extremely lucky than you. Win a Nobel prize for it. Not everyone in Asia is say should on winning a Nobel of a recent European society for medical oncology, congress professor Tony malt from Chinese university of Hong Kong received lifetime achievement award for his lung cancer research thing off a cheap is that you are the patient who come in who's ill you find a mutation. You can voted him or her from a sick person to go back to normal life. Not just a new in paper all -cation, but the wheel fact this I'm making impact on people's life. Rule. Number two is one that really is much more important than most people think about is called hope that your experiments fail occasionally. And the reason for this is that when you do an experiment, usually you have a hypothesis in mind that you're testing usually you think it's right. And so the experiment will prove that you were I told a long, but every so often, you do an experiment, and it doesn't work. And so they usually only two big reasons why it doesn't work one is that you didn't do the experiment properly. Maybe you drop the sample on the floor and picked it up. And then hope that it would work all you were sloppy in deriving, the hypothesis in the first place in figuring out how you should do the experiment. But there's another reason that it can file, and that reason is the most interesting one, that's because nature is trying to tell you something that what you thought. Nature was doing is wrong. That was what happened to me? We were looking for something rather different. From what we found. We got a result that just didn't make any sense on the basis of what we knew. So we followed through on this apparent failure. In order to try to find out what nature was telling us. And in particular case, we were very lucky a nature was telling us very important lesson. The change the paradigm for high one thinks about eukaryotic genes, why doesn't can't immunize for P work for everyone. We still have a lot to learn about why some people respond, but of us don't throughout the four seasons of podcast. I've really enjoyed hearing sunshine, and our moment chevet thinking the reality is anti PD one pedia one checkpoint inhibitors don't work in the majority of patients, scientists do need to learn from failure don't to moment. Some cases the failures are more important more informative than the successes. Because you're studying the immune system, which is known entity. You have a chance to go back and understand what went wrong, and then address that specifically and so active -ly either with another combination or by making a new drug don't Chen, recalls, the promise and potential of cancer. Immunotherapy I will never forget having our first patient respond to Tesla's amount. Because before that, you're really not sure what's happening and sit to see that first single agent response. And it was so dramatic. It was in a patient that was so sick that by the time. He went onto study could barely get out of bed and getting that first Email back from his treating physician to say not only is he doing well, not only is responding. He's been recalled to life. He's not only getting out of bed. He's going to the gym three times a week. That's the kind of thing that makes you realize this isn't just another drug. This is something that's really going to change. Face of treatment that was really special. Concur funding's being reversed translated to drive new hypotheses in the laboratory, I encourage you to check out tissue beaches during episode twenty two as an example to pass a Yana from the data institute received a translation award last month. One of the things that I've aspired to do with the last fifteen years really tried to ask clinically relevant questions in a research setting in have the questions that we're asking in the laboratory try to inform what we can do different or better in the clinic and at the same time. Learn from our patients by studying what happens to them and have those observations form than hypotheses and theories of what we study in the laboratory. Rule. Number three is collaborate with other scientists, but never more than two of the people. This is really a tongue in cheek rule because the bottom line is that for the Nobel prize only three people can be included Unsal if you collaborate with full people, then you plus the fall people make five and only three of those could possibly guess Nobel prize to gonna be disappointed. You're not gonna know who maybe it will be you who will be the one who won't be in it. So I add vice collaborating with no more than two people. And then you have the three that will make the trio for the Nobel prize. Fish rule is one that's hard to follow in real life with sciences very much a team sport. Don't Jenna translational research is not a solo run. It's teamwork and you have to find the appropriate team members that you can work with. And that makes all the difference. If only three people can win. Nobel prize given. Yeah, what's known that the rule of three been some who deserve. It may miss out. Yemi Ignacio little professor of immuno year university of Navarra in northern Spain. And I also practice they're in the university hospital in early clinical trial research, and I ran a group working Timor immunotherapy if the prize is owner in the PD one one development, I believe that at least two other investigators should have been awarded or owner by the committee and these include leaping Chen from the university of Yale on Gordon Freeman. Obviously there is some kind of rule that prohibits forbids price committee about watering for noble prices. But I think that in this case was specially unfair, and I would have be more satisfied. If these four people have, you know, own our for what they the question is the rule of three fair the rule of three. Is fair into immunotherapy? Well, I think there are many people who would fall who felt that they should have been included when only three were picked. But for the most part, I think the Nobel committee has done a pretty good job of picking the two or three people who really made the key fundamental discoveries that led to everything else. And I think one of the problems is we scientists often think that because we made a big step forward that we should be rewarded for it. Whereas in fact, we couldn't have made that step forward without the original discovery. And I think this is something that the Nobel committee at least in medicine for the most part of made pretty good decisions as -cational times when you could say, well, they got the wrong person or they should have added somebody else. But for the most part, I think they've done a pretty good job. Of course, if you say, well, let's say. Expand it unless at four people or five people now it's going to get even more contentious. Because now you're going to be starting to include people. If you're not careful who may be not the original people who made the discovery, but rather they capitalized on that discovery. And of course, once a discovery is made ten people immediately compet lies on it. And so then it becomes very difficult to decide among the ten who should be the two who would be included or the three or four or five. That's all I think the rule of three is not a bad one while we celebrate achievements of a few. We shouldn't forget the many who translated discoveries into a few treatments all who work in academia or Industry Research. Share a common goal of wanting to make a difference. Real full is to increase your of winning be sure to pick your family. Kathleen, this is really just a historical point noting that quite a number of people family members because they shed good genes from one sort or another who win Nobel prizes, and there are a large number of cases, where this has happened people like Roger comb book who is a relatively young chemistry prize winner. His father off the comb bug one apprise Hugo back further in time people like Mattie Curie won the prize not once but twice she wanted with a husband one time. And then her daughter went on on one it. So you for peace heavily sipping in the news. And it sounds like they were for transportation to though to Michel sudden told me in New York, but in you've Friday afternoon before the announcement that immune for a P had made for Noboa shortlist. The big question in his mind was the committee decided to recognize which would be award be given narrowly approved -ly, we know Viansa. Now, if adoptive sailor for P is equally paradigm shifting checkpoints will it receive a Nobel prize in the future. Go to fill Greenberg is head of at the Fred hutch chance to center and Seattle. That'd be nice for me since that's largely the area, I work in. But I would be surprised I think that although they did announce this. It's my suspicion is this may well be really for cancer therapy. But having said that genetic engineering of cells as a completely different field completely different strategies just happens to also use the immune system. So who knows we could always be optimistic, right? The fifth rule is why don't you try them work in the laboratory of previous Nobel prize winner. One of the things about that. Is that these labs usually well-funded that you can learn a little something from the person who won the Nobel prize. But you have to be rather careful not to do your best work when you're in that laboratory because they don't often give the Nobel prize twice. And so the chances of it coming up and becoming another Nobel prize for you is pretty rare. So it's best to white until you leave that laboratory before you do your own prize winning work, but you can learn a lot by working in a previous prizewinners laboratory moving onto practice changing trial data and episode one three years ago. We heard to leash Abbas tell us about a dozen of in triple negative breast cancer, a small subset of patients did have. Gerbil benefit, but Tessa when it didn't work in a majority of patients suggesting the need for combination strategy Evans is now a professor of medicine of the university of Pittsburgh. I think the first obvious thing is to combine drugs like this with chemotherapy and not just any chemotherapy. But chemotherapy that is known to help support the immune response. There's some chemotherapy agents that are to be more immunogenetics than others face. Re impassioned one thirty trial in triple negative breast Chansa competitive combination of appeal one point in hepatic with chemotherapy to control regimen of chemo, plus placebo that trial was designed to have co primary points of progression free and overall survival both in the patient group over all of nine hundred and two patients as well. As in the subset of patients with PD L one positive disease. So looking at whether or not the expression of PD L one in the tumor predicted for the likelihood of clinical benefit was pro. Oh, spectator defined as an important for the trial. And that's very important. Professor. Peter Schmidt is a chance to institute and London. He presentative initial trial results as MO. Ovo survive with the PD positive group was fifty point five months in the control group with the puck, the placebo and twenty five months in the group of patients receive tesla, which is nearly ten months difference with the hustle from six to the caveat with that data is that the statistical analysis plan was set up as hierarchical plan. So for the PD L one positive patient population. We couldn't formerly statistically test it, so this is a descriptive result at this point. But there's a very clear difference. And I'll be surprised if it does not play out as statistically meaningful difference as data continued to mature very excited by the day to it bakes, a clear difference to patients with this very difficult to treat up type of risk having a treatment that improves survival substantially in metastatic triple negative east for me an enormous step forward. It gives me a lot of hope because Wyden immune therapy out to other types of risk. I'm also excited because. We already have Charles ongoing in triple negative breast cuts that we expect to see the results of the next year if they will show similar to what be so static disease again that would be a very important step forward. You personally, what's it like giving a presidential symposia presentation here at as mo-? It is a very humbling experience thinking about the patients behind this child. These are often young young families having a treatment that can improve survival by ten months makes familia an enormous difference. What if the boasted pulled stories we so was patient who received a different job, try NIA, chemotherapy, futsi relapsed? Very soon of to Toksay base therapy. Then received Paclitaxel dot has Elizabeth the city where we would normally expect signature people therapy to really give clear benefit of me. So this patient had a substantial and very. Rapid response to the street in which for me clearly highlights how the deduction of immunotherapy modifies the disease. The other patients have in mind patient to responded well to treatment, but also really important the responded, sometimes almost surprisingly well to subsequent treatments immune therapy. In my opinion, doesn't just work in the early phase when it is giving by postal of views changed the body of council f has a long lasting effect on. That's the impressionable child. If you look at the survival curves, they continued to widen even off to the treatment is stop. They on alter the moment. Running parallel the striking thing about the impassioned one thirty trial is that PD L one despite all the caveats with its uses of biomarker for cancer immunotherapy it Diddy merge as a pretty reliable biomarker for selecting patients who are highly likely to benefit from the addition of an anti PD L when agent to standard chemotherapy for first line therapy of medicine. Triple negative, breast cancer. We have a signal now. So we have hook into the tumor cell biology, and we just have to catch the fish, basically, I think one of the big questions for me. And not everyone agrees with me is how can we determine who will benefit from single agent. Tesla MAB and doesn't really require chemotherapy. And who requires a combination of chemotherapy? So I think our challenge now is to figure out how to deescalate this combination in patients who may be able to get away with single agent at has LUSA MAB and how to bring the benefit of immunotherapy to additional patients, for example, the PD L one negative patients who did not appear to benefit from nap Paclitaxel and tesla MAB in this trial. Professor Shereen Loy is that the Peter maccallum consent to Melbourne and also enrolled patients on the trial. Chemotherapy, convict peo- on make depositi because as a baseline said it's still really premium plus populations. I think we really need to speak of chemotherapy being immune a Jake for the -pedia navy population. The taxings of which nap Paclitaxel is one are known to have multiple ways, they can impact the immune system. They can bind to toll like receptors and activate innate immune factors to help prime t cells. They promote engine processing and presentation by dendritic cells. Of course, they likes tumor cells and released tumor antigens to support the priming of t cells, you would think that if the combination of chemotherapy and immunotherapy we're really broadening the activation of the immune response. Priming t-cells. You would had more of a signal in the PD L one negative patient population. And I think myself I'm a little bit surprised that we didn't see some hints of activity. In the PD L one negative patient population. So I think we still have a lot to learn about how chemotherapy interacts with immune system. What do we do it appeal one negative patience? Then I think we're absolutely going to have to do something more. And the question is what is that going to be? So this point in time, I would treat patients with chemotherapy, checkpoint inhibitor that pito negative. According to the tests used in the national child do that become make therapy work these patients as well. We probably have to use different culmination as a member of triplet quadruplet combinations necessarily with immune therapy agents, but bringing small molecules to further enhance the activity in the concept out of these combinations show, the promise we will lead to see how they pan out when they move into randomized trials that challenge of breast cancers that it tends to be a cold tumor relative to melanoma, bladder cancer and lung cancer kidney cancer for. Sample. So finding ways to induce T-cells and breast cancers is very important. And I think, you know, looking at therapies that can provide those t cells in those patients who don't naturally have them at the outset is going to be very important for most patients with triple negative, breast cancer. And also, certainly the vast majority of patients for ER positive breast cancer, which remains a major unmet need for rest cancer amino therapy. And I think the next wave of trials are really going to be focused on how to make more T cells in patients that don't have them. So what are the vaccine approaches that can work so is at Entra tumor injection of sting agonised or toll like receptor agonists? Is it an uncle at virus? Is it a cell based vaccine which is hard to implement is it radiation. So I think we have a lot to learn about how to make good T-cells. Now rule number six which is even better than rule. Number five is try to work in the laboratory of a future Nobel prize winner. And while you're there, make sure that you get fully engaged in the experiment. That is going to win him the Nobel prize that of course, is a little more tricky as we all know, hindsight is very good looking backwards, but hopeless looking forward, and it's very difficult to know who that person will be. But if you do have four sites all your psychic. Maybe you can work out who's lab, you should go and work in in Europe. It's not just about efficacy of new for P. There is a cost benefit analysis that has to be considered to a new drug can be approved but not reimbursed wishing Sevilla limit patient access. I'm rainy sign. I am a global development team leader at Russian attack. This is really an important new bench. It for triple negative breast cancer patients who really don't have a lot of options. Women once diagnosed with metastatic disease rarely live for more than a year where able to buy marker identify a patient population that can really benefit, and I think given the importance in the compelling clinical benefit, I do hope that health authorities and medicine agencies in countries will be able to bring this to metastatic triple negative breast cancer patients who really have short survival following dynasty site fees. Rule. Number seven says always design execute your best experiments two time when your luck is running high because I said right at the very start almost everybody who wins a Nobel prize does. So because they were doing an experiment that gave a result a lucky result. But they wouldn't expecting. I think look is so important not just in science but in life, I learned about luck. When I was a young man, I was probably seventeen I used to play billiards and Snooka, and I was the west of England Snooka champion, and I was playing in a tournament one day, and I had a lucky break. And then I messed up the next shot and afterwards old, man. You must have been AT came up to me. And he said, you know, when something lucky happens to you in life. You have to take advantage of it. You have to concent-. Trate twice as hard on your next move. So that you can take advantage of it. Because otherwise, what was the point of having the look it does, you know, good. Everybody has luck. The smart people take advantage of it. If you're in science and all your experiments going you'll way that's the time to do the risky ones. That may lead to the big discovery. Look does play a role in cancer for P treatment. We still come predict who will definitely respond. Oh, how durable responsible be some people off fortunate to be a right place at the right time and gain access to innovative agents that may work for them. But not others. We do have to balance hope with the likelihood of response a point taken up by professor mock patient, especially in the non reimbursed system may have to spend a lot of the life saving on drifted may not work at all. And you really have responsibility to explain to patient. Why it may what why it may not work? What's the likelihood of working such that, they will invest pope Findlay? No hole into all evil working for them. Then maybe they should not use the money on that. Rule. Number eight is never plan your life around winning the Nobel prize and a very good reason for this. Because awful lot of people do that they decide that a they have to win a Nobel prize be that they've already done something that is so good that it deserves to get a Nobel prize. And most of the time that disappointed, and I think an awful lot of people get so hung up in this that every year when the Nobel prizes or announced that they are waiting for them name to be called in some cases, people go so far as to have this speeches prepared ahead of time telling everybody in the world, how great they are during the course of this speech because they have won this Nobel prize. I can tell you this is a absolute tragedy. You don't want to do this. You never want to think about this. It is so nice when it comes as a surprise. You weren't expecting it. Let's go to Jim Allison day, New York. He head for noble announcement. I didn't get the impression he had prepared a speech. So how did you find out this morning showing called told me been right after he called a reporter from screama calm? I didn't hear from committee. I guess they have trouble for surveys. I didn't hear them for about an hour. One of the first to call to listen. Congratulations was vice president Joe Biden president congratulations on your effort. I really appreciate you for everything that said, well, I appreciated your starting that whole, you know, moonshot initiative, you know, it was on the panel. Thank me for being on the committee, initially and wish me, good luck in the future. Anybody else famous pool do this morning? Well, I got a actually I've got Pam got a text message from winning Nelson's Monica player. Get another with him as a result of this. I hope so. Rule. Number nine is really very important rule. Number nine is that you should always be nice to Swedish scientists because these are the people who sit on the Nobel committee's now. Fortunately, that's relatively easy to do. Because the Swedes tend to be very nice people. Rather charming that very hospitable. One can get along with them very easily. But there have been a few cases where scientists so full of themselves decided that they would tell some Swedish scientists in one notable case, the head of the Nobel committee for chemistry that they got into a big fight and the head of the Nobel committee for chemistry showed that he was actually in a slightly better position than this person. Who wanted the Nobel prize delayed it, and in fact, the Nobel did not get awarded to the scientist who was clearly incredibly deserving. Until the chairman of the committee retired. So be nice to Swedish scientists the Nobel committee recognized the discovery of immune points this year. But we shouldn't forget the benefit cancer patients from tugg therapies, I'm Dr Kathleen more the socio director for clinical research at the Stevenson cancer center in Oklahoma City, and I'm one of the two co principal investigators for the solo on international trial in ovarian cancer resolutions on your presentation here at as mo- the audience kept on clapping afterwards. But they typically was very compelling to them. Yes, it's compelling to us as while. I think it was fairly emotional dec- that survival curve for the first time and truthfully and practicing that talk I sort of nearly broke down a few times. So I had to really like pull it together for the talk today. I mean, these are our patients and their lives, and it's three more years of disease free life. That was not there before I really have a word for. How profound it is for women that have right now beer cementation, ovarian cancer to have this. Hopefully immediately become available for them in. It's life changing for somebody. The results of the Sunday one trial maintenance for P with the pop inhibitor leopard. Happy published in the New England Journal of medicine. We put a link on Nove talk is don't come to this adobe of Papis. We've mentioned. Rule number ten is a raw the personal one rule number ten says study biology the reason for that. From my perspective is a the biology is the most interesting of the sciences. It incorporates both mathematics chemistry and to some extent. Physics. So it's multidisciplinary in this case. Computers are now becoming a very important part of biology, and there is so much that we don't know. So if you want to make discoveries who don't want to work him, well trodden areas, you want to work in an area where we don't know much. And that is biology. There is also another reason from a Nobel perspective, and that is that the Nobel prize in physiology or medicine is all was given to a biologist, but the Nobel prize in chemistry is increasing. Only being given to biologists. Also until you have a chance to categories so I really rest. My case study biology. It is a wonderful field. There is much to be discovered. And I would recommend it. Most heartily. I've thoroughly enjoyed listening to Richard Roeper, Tom what he's like to win a Nobel prize and his tips sess many of which applied to both science and life in general. He's a distinguished alumni of my alma mater, the university of Sheffield chief scientific of new engine buyer labs. It's been an on a privileged to have to noble Lawrence on this episode. And who knows maybe we've already heard someone on the podcast who may be Lawrence in the future. We've come full circle to where we started in one. Let's end with some final thoughts from delta leash amines. I was really excited that cancer. Immunotherapy got the Nobel prize. Tim Allison and his colleagues as well. As Dr Joe, I really deserve a lot of credit for opening the door for the development of cancer. Immunotherapy for the betterment of cancer patients everywhere there are so many people that them so much for making this possible. And it's really up to us to build on what they've started and continue to grow the field and make newer and even better immuno therapies for cancer patients everywhere we've come to be end of time together. It only remains for me to think everyone who supported Nova talk. It's and helped me on my Odio storytelling journey. I'll sign off with this quote from the poet to Elliott who won the nineteen forty eight Nobel prize in literature. We shall cease from our exploration. The end of our exploring will be to arrive where we started and Nova place for the first time.

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Nobel Prizes 2018

The Science Show

05:10 min | 2 years ago

Nobel Prizes 2018

"For me, there's nothing to stop me doing some research. If I have the energy stood Martin reece's research, I believe was largely theoretical where he could make contributions by thinking and writing the solve area of research that I'm involved in this much more experimental. I do have a small research group. I have a small company that I set up and what I'm expecting to do is to spend more time advising the science in the company than trying to run a significant research group myself. So Gregory winter master of Trinity College in Cambridge on the sign show in two thousand twelve. He won the Nobel prize this week, and he mentioned his predecessor, Lord Reese. Now, astronomer Royal and Martin Reese talks about our future. Later in this side show I the Nobels, here's James Boleyn. Every second of every day, our bodies immune system fights, foreign agents, bacteria parasites, en- viruses. The might otherwise do Tom. In some cases, the immune system can recognize cancer cells as normal and kill them to the trouble is some cancer tumors have the ability to put the brakes on the cells of our means system, stopping them from working properly. This is Nobel prize winners in medicine, worked out different mechanisms by which this breaking occurs and how to stop it, allowing the immune system to fight and kill tumor cells. Professor James, Allison from the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Texas in the United States and professor to sue Honjo from Kyoto University Japan jointly shared the prize. Their discoveries prompted the rise of checkpoint inhibitor therapy, the use of drugs to wake up the immune system and prompt it to fight cancer. It was an entirely new way to treat Jesus. I use to treat the deadly skin cancer melanoma, but now also used in a growing list of advanced stage tumors, including those of the lung kidney. Colon and liver in a press conference. Professor Honjo said that better than any Nobel prize is the fences received from people whose lives have been saved by the treatment technique developed the res work in physics. The Nobel was awarded to three researches for breakthrough advances in the field of lasers, American Dr Atkins one half the prize for the invention of optical tweezers, the use of light to hold tiny objects in place. Yes, light can apply force to an object through something cold radiation pressure. The work has been vital to measuring forces on very small objects as small as individual molecules which can help us understand how things like muscle tissue. The other half of the prize was split between Gerard Moreau and Donna Strickland for their work on high powered lasers. In the mid nineteen eighties, the pair were trying to work out how to create brighter lasers, which had a tendency to damage themselves. They. They found they could use lasers with very short bursts of light stretch out the pulse with special equipment and then amplify it again to create a final laser pulse, fast stronger than the original. The technique code chirped pulse. Amplification is used in particle acceleration which is vital to medical research and cancer treatment, and is also being used in our surgery. Dr Strickland is just the third woman to win a Nobel prize for physics after Marie Curie in nineteen thousand three and Maria GOP it Meyer in nineteen sixty three speaking on our breakfast. Dr Strickland said the makeup of physics is changing. I never had a female professor the whole time. I went to university both in grad school and undergrad, and now I am a female professor and I have female for the professional colleagues. So things have changed. I don't think there's very many schools that don't have female professors in physics now. So there are more and more role models and more and more women in physics all the time. In chemistry. The prize went to three researches professor Francis Arnold from Caltech in the US received Hoff for her work on enzymes, those proteins that make all sorts of chemical reactions and bodily processes possible. She found a way to mutate genes so they would produce better enzymes. Mimicking evolution professor Arnold's enzymes have led to more environmentally friendly manufacturing of pharmaceuticals and the production of renewable fuels for transport. The other half of the chemistry prize is shared between American George Smith and Britain's. Gregory winter professor Smith developed a method for evolving new proteins by the use of viruses that infect bacteria. Professor winter used a similar method to evolve better antibodies. This has led to new pharmaceuticals. The first of which was approved in two thousand and two and is used for rheumatoid arthritis psoriasis and inflammatory bowel diseases, which is all well and good. As long as you've got abou-. Right, Robin, yes, they can be overrated. I do without mostly gyms Bullen producers the health report every week on RN.

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F1 Testing Day 5 - Making Sense Of The Timesheets

The Autosport Podcast

11:25 min | 10 months ago

F1 Testing Day 5 - Making Sense Of The Timesheets

"On the also sport podcast. Today we're back live in the paddock protesting. Welcome to the show today. Your host Alex. Eleanor kiss the ground. Pre Ov autosport Luke Smith and Ben Anderson the editor of GP Racing Discussing Day. Two of the second preseason test of the Formula One twenty twenty season with notable moments today included. Mercedes breakdown another power unit issue and Ferrari topping the timesheets. Listen now get a full rundown as your host Alex. Hello boss where? Here's speaking at the end of the peninsula. It's a formula. One thousand nine hundred eighty preseason testing on its Kalinowka some with me is GP racing at. It's up in Andreessen. I know sports formula. I'm reports Leaks make side. We find something interesting. Happening off the cagey not that much happening. It's Sebastian vessel. Finished the fastest time. A woman at sixteen point eight four one seconds but she sat on the c five soft this tire in the morning now. That time remained unbeaten throughout the afternoon. So we still don't think we've seen everything the Ferrari's got but we certainly something for me. At least there was drama. Veteran spun in the morning. PORTALEGRE TRACK CAUSED. A Red Flag. But it was even more drama at Mercedes. Now Ben you outside in the after watching Lewis. I'm going to need only just w eleven done about twelve laps or so following special vital the engine shutdown what happened. Yeah so I was standing on the inside of ten five Louis was as you say about ten twelve laps into a long run in fact it was chasing him in the Ferrari and they were doing so roughly equivalent lap times. I think and just shut down all of a sudden exciting time. Five went for the power. Just where complete shutdown Y- SILENCE? It's like a vacuum cleaner shutting down a gentle whoosh. Anne case it to a whole pulled over immediately on the right hand side of the track turns out. There was an oil pressure problem again on the Mercedes engine shutdown as a as a fail safe so some concern I think maybe a Mercedes on the reliability of that new engine because it's not the first failure they've had on either works for the customer engines. You saying that about Williams and how many values that happened down there engine issues going on with them and say yeah and again. That was a relation to the oil system as well so I think maybe this'll weeks who was saying in the Mercedes Paolina going into the season. So yeah definitely something. I think the team get on top of a customer teams supplying racing point as well at very very concerning. What did you make the Ferrari time because it finally some some pace some some interesting headline times but not quite the Times Veltri? What has taught test one with famous eighty? That'll still a second off. Which is still a huge gap in of Donald. The INS and outs of of timings and things like that and Fuel loads and whatever and Ross spoke today and he said the teams tend to play a weird game with one another threes which summed up quite nicely and they give away the running Low fuel Last week I think as expected said he'd like to do some more high running at some point Got A bit of. That's their think announced tomorrow. The one uptick box again. Yeah I think it's It's a sunny assigned from Ferrari things and getting big closest to what is their optimum pace. Yes so I think alone white guy before we can really see what they can do. Now what did the Ferrari looked like trackside? I went out in the morning. And they didn't do that much. Running and then factor federal came charging passes as fast as time and then trundled via gone off later on a couple of laps later with spin. What did you observe from seeing them? Outside of the traffic. Well yes interesting with. I watched for about an hour yesterday afternoon on the outside of turn seven and eight and the medium speed and then most of the afternoon today on the Froyo seems to have a new corners. I didn't see the chicane. That's the only one. I can't comment on an understeer problem. Three seven eight Leclerc was driving yesterday. Compared to Max Stopping Red Bull in Batas in the Mercedes which looked like he was running high fuel. Actually they would pile into the left hander. Pick up the throttle. Nice nearly empower up the hill and the ripple goes on radio lifting credible there mark similar. But maybe not quite as easy but arriving faster because I think they've got more power certainly running the engineering higher state of chain. I think at the moment but Leclerc. He would arrive at a similar speed when he went to pick up the throttle. The front which just wash and you could see the car jumped towards the the outside of the track. Us needing all the road to get through speed and I wondered if that was a problem. Specific to just that section but veteran seem to have a similar problem at lower speed so at ten five before. Louis shutdown when he was chasing the Mercedes could get tight to the inside before powering out. Fettle couldn't use. That same line was having to open the steering to carry the speed and drive a longer line around the corner and something. The clerk said in his press conference yesterday about the balance. He said they've got work to do. from entry to exit the corner and that tallies with the visual impression as there's work to do the Fri- it's not not a bad car. It's not plunging into the midfield I. It's not handling the way that they would hope at the moment now the class. They mentioned the blustery conditions. Airbus liners you can probably see articulate gras could not be contributing to the Baltimore is is the fundamental car issue that they've got some. I think there's a fundamental car issue of had veterans complaining about the car understanding last week. So this is not something. We're seeing an isolation it's been throughout testing I think in the conditions of played a part in why the times have been unimpressive so far compared to last week I think colors scientists touched on that I just think for you have a problem with the the front wing or the damage that still working through and if they can get that front end sorted out then they will unlock more performance from the car but at the moment I would say they are behind. Mercedes and red. Bow In terms of handling. Now the fun end is famously. What Spicer needs to be able to be great? Singapore last year for the massive upgrade package that suddenly eras he was that bit step forwards them quicker a bit of an issue then for him heading into Australia in the first race. Yeah definitely I mean. We'll see one as much confidence in the car is you can get so. I think this this issue sort of apparent spends I think is yeah definitely calls for consign it kind of as with the very very quiet and understated. The ferraris Agnes. Preseason there is all over downplaying expectations not running away with crazy ideas of being able to dominate the race. Or anything like that. But there's been none of that. They keep saying we all behind societies behind rebel. We we need to get on top of this issue and Yeah I think have another difficult season headed the midst. Really not a confidence builder now. Maybe you could give us a rundown of what the other caused visually trackside. Starting with the rebel which I think again. We didn't really see overhand again on on on Thursday because nicer stop and it was wet this morning. We should point out so it's not a lot took place first thing in the morning when we're stopping did go out yet. Some error rates only spun a couple of times. It looks a bit of a handful. And then in the into the guava Wasser and five where it was always going off today. Where veteran off now these issues? So what do you make? And then the other causes a better sense of the rebel was like yesterday when Max was out in the afternoon it looked incredible through seven eight the pick of the cars. The only caveat is how much power extracting from that new Honda engine. How much are they holding back? Because it doesn't look like a rise quite as fast and it doesn't look like it powers up the hill as well as the Mercedes or the Ferrari but in terms of drivability. The Red Boys dicara. I'd want to be at the moment. Mercedes is close. I think red bull have a sentence that probably the murky the car to beat once they put everything together. I think we'll probably see more of their performance running tomorrow sending. That's what James Allison was suggesting and then behind Ferrari it's really really tight. A Lot's being made if the pink. Mercedes racing point it looks like a good car but I was watching Sergio Perez. I thought it was strobe because it had number eighteen on it turns out with Peres driving yesterday afternoon. He was chasing Land Norris for a long time. They WANNA similar run program and Norsk carry really good speed into into seven. Pick up the throttle and not really have any problems that the McLaren the most impressive midfield car through that section. He resigned today that the cards much more overall. Compared to last year's mcclaren mcclaren is certainly very strong at medium speed. I think it's the pick of the Midfield Karzai in in that type of corner. The racing point isn't able to to stick a corner as well pairs had to back off at a massive moment in seven and in order to keep his run consistent he just he just had to rein himself in the house messy yesterday and grows on hand but much more together today with the afternoon. They seem to feel that they're not running particularly like compared to other midfield car. So if that's true then they they look pretty decent again over one lap. Of course the question mark for name is more long runs and whether they can hold onto the tires that car looks decent but probably the pick of the midfield cars over the full range of the circuit is the Alpha Alpha talk fatality. I should say and we said story. I described as a star a described it as a low raise red blue yesterday. He also him offense. Actually but you have a problem with that I. I should probably clarify that as a compliment. Because behavior on track is very similar. Red Boy it looks very driveable. The drivers have massive confidence in the car. Question market gains. How much engine performance? If they got in the tank absolutely well we've only got one. More Day finally. Preseason testing isn't even six days this year loss when it's tomorrow leak. What wrap up off juice waving off camera. And what can we expect on the final day? You think. I just want four times on? Everyone's giving more they've and yellows really get down to the benchmark asset last week fifteen seven times a beat so yeah we can get that maybe even attracted that be ready to join US TOMORROW. For be recapping. The final day of pre-season testing twenty twenty. Thank you very much Alex. Thima back on Friday with another in debt. Look at the second test and we have a very special offer with the U. Right now on also sportplus. That's where world class rights isn't technical. Experts dig deep into the stories that you want to know more about during the free season testing. It's currently fifty percents off so right now. It's half price and for less than twenty quid. A year you can get a whole year's worth the premium articles unlimited content and never any ads. Just checkouts also sports dot com slash plus. We'll see you tomorrow. Music is six. Am By tree light. 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Babbage: The Nobel winners explained

The Economist Radio

16:22 min | 2 years ago

Babbage: The Nobel winners explained

"This podcast from the economist is supported by rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans, introducing. They're all new rate shield approval. If you're in the market to buy a new home Quicken Loans will lock your rate for up to ninety days while you shop to get started, go to rocketmortgage dot com slash economist. Hello and welcome to Babyjohn economists, radio. I'm Kenneth kooky a senior editor at the economist and coming up on today's show. We'll be responding to this year's Nobel prize winners. The Ron Swedish Academy of sciences has today decided to award two thousand eighteen the bell prize in chemistry physiology or medicine physics. How could we make our technology more ethical? What if we didn't design technology to maximize distortive social realities, we put in front of people and why? Dragon fish is the new black. It is essentially just as good at absorbing light as the darkest material that we've ever managed to create. But I, it's Nobel season on Monday morning to sue Honjo and James Allison learned that they were this year's winners in the category of physiology or medicine. There were recognized for their pioneering cancer therapies. Detachable loader is our healthcare correspondent. She explains cancer. Meena therapy is really an idea that scientists have been trying to see for decades which is to harness the power of the body's own immune system to fight off and defeat, cancers suggestions, Alison, and to Kahan. Joe were initially working on separate sides of the planet and not together, but both of them were working on these these protein molecules, the stick house on the outside surface of white blood cells could T-cells. I'm both of them independently speculated that if you were to somehow block these Molokai. Huels, which anonymous checkpoint inhibitors fewer to block them. You would release the t. cell and allow it to attack counts up. The scale of the contribution made by both scientists is enormous. They've laid the foundations for Munich therapy, which looks from where we're sitting now to be the most promising new approach to cancer treatment that we've seen almost probably ever on Tuesday. It was physics were prizes this year focused on excellence and lasers. Here's our science correspondent Tim cross to tell us more. So the physics prize was actually split three ways, but all of it was to do with lasers. The first show of it went to somebody called Ashby and he used to work at at bell labs, and he invented something called optical tweezers, which basically exactly what they sound like they're tiny laser beams that you can use to hold really small objects like cells or even individual atoms in place and kind of manipulate them. The second part of the prize was split between two people. So. A guy called Gerard Mujuru and woman called Donald Strickland who incidentally is there for only the third woman ever to win a physics prize that was about lasers as well. But it was about how you make them more intense and more powerful and the problem with trying to make powerful lasers is that they tend to fry the in into whatever it is using to generate them. So they thought, well, you know, power depends on how much energy you put through something and how quickly you do it. So what if you keep the amount of energy to say but stretch out the amount of time it takes. So they basically took a laser pulse that was very, very short duration and stretched it out. So it took much more time not meant the maximum power was much much lower and that in turn meant you could amplify the intensity of the beam without destroying your kit. And then at the very, very end, you sort of squid you back down so that all that energy gets squashed back into a tiny amount of time, and you end up with a very, very high power laser, something called chopped pulse. Amplification is all kinds of uses the the Nobel. Committee chose to talk about a laser surgery which uses being like that, but it's also used in physics approaching sort of ultra short timescales. It's used in industry for drilling holes in things and sort of laser cutting laser manipulation generally. And on Wednesday morning, the Nobel prize in chemistry was split going to both Francis Arnold and going to the duo of George Smith, and sir, Gregory winter. I don't know about the chara or science correspondent tells us what to make of their work. So all three, winners of the Nobel prize for chemistry have made enormous advances in our understanding of how we can harness the power of evolution for our own ends. Fronts is Arnold who was awarded the prize for directed evolution events arms. Basically, she randomly mutated these enzymes, run them through a screen, picks up those. The worked really well mutate them again and did this for a few cycles. And what she ended up with was just an enzyme the work to hold up better than the one that she started with the second half of the prize was for phased display. So phased display uses bacteria Phages, which are viruses infect bacteria. And when they do that, the bacteria is kind of forced to produce lots and lots of cop. Ps of that particular virus. What George Smith realized was that you could use these bacteria Phages to screen for proteins. Then Gregory winter, who realized if the proteins you using were antibodies in this process, you could make the more remorse elective for their protein. Target the protein target. The he ended up using was a version called TANF alpha, and this causes inflammation in autoimmune diseases and by using face display, he was able to come up with a version of an antibody for this protein, which was very specific and a sense become a blockbuster drug for diseases like arthritis or thanks to Natasha. Loader, Tim cross and on an Obama chara. You're listening to badge from the economist. Next up Tristan Harris is a former design ethicist at Google and a co, founder of the center for humane technology. He spoke to our deputy editor, Tom Standish. You start at the center for humane technology. And what does that mean? And what is it about technology today that's inhumane. So we're a nonprofit first of all, and we work on only one question which is identifying where society is being harmfully steered by technology, and we focus on real lighting technology with them war, authentic clear eyed model of human nature so that we don't create the kinds of harms, like steering the world towards populism mental health problems, teen suicides and depression, loneliness and addiction. Okay. Tell us how technology is steering us towards those bad outcomes now is really happening well, so this is a common thing right? People say, we'll take a neutral tool like a hammer and we always have to new technologies and we always have moral panic. So we're just having a moral panic now. What could be the difference. I am from the tech industry a what most people don't understand about how technology is designed is there's teams of product managers who have one goal, which is how do I keep you using the product frequently in for as long as possible? With a teenager, it might be something like if I'm trying to compete against other photo sharing apps, let me add filters into the app. Because if I give teenagers and unrealistic standard of beauty, then they will continue to use the app and check photos that have an unrealistic version of themselves and they'll keep them using it more often than if they didn't have the filter. But this turns into this kind of race to the bottom of the brain stem deeper and lower into fear and outrage, and unrealistic standards of beauty, deeper and deeper parts of the human animal to drill attention out of them to get that stock price up. So all of these companies that are trying to make the apps on their services as dictates possible to maximize engagement indus- at revenue. And that leads them to design the products in ways that have bad consequences. Now ready is the way teenagers might they self image might be affected by the USA filters, but. What are some other examples then if the sorts of things were look like kind of apparently minor designed decisions on Facebook, all or whatever can have really a big real world consequences. Very simple examples. So to first of all one point, nine billion human animals use YouTube. That's a lot of people and they're jacked into the system that's basically people spend sixty minutes day on YouTube. That's the number sixty minutes and seventy percent of that sixty minutes of what people watch is determined by the algorithm by the thing at recommends to you. So the ns that's a countdown, five, four, three, two one, boom, you're watching the next video. The problem is that this little tiny feature called auto play actually can create an amplify populism and conspiracy theory thinking, because if you watch a video on racism or something that'll will steer you towards white nationalism and more aggressive forms. If you watch video on vegetarianism, it's jersey more radicalizing towards veganism. If you watch nine eleven news. Video a regular nine eleven news video. The next auto play video will be nine. Eleven conspiracy theories, and this is because these things the algorithm can see that these generate the most engagement and just interested in maximizing engagement. That's the logical thing to do next. That's right. It doesn't know the continent, these videos. It's not like there's a human being at YouTube who's choosing any of this. We think of them as a digital Frankenstein, except this was running around in the world. You know, stopping through the world and on its hands on the digital Frankenstein. It's it's connected. It's its hands to one point, nine billion human puppets drinks, and it's tilting the whole world towards these conspiracy theory type thinking. And no one even knows it's going on. It's out of control. What about what engineers can do? So people in your line of work people you talk to you say many of them are concerned about this? Is that an avenue by which you might get things to change? Absolutely. So actually it's been our biggest lever of changes that anyone I've ever met in the tech industry is actually idealistic and generally thinks that there is the the reason that working in it that this is the best way to impact the world at large scale. And so no one. Wants to be responsible for being largest threat to democracy or electing populists or you know, causing these mental health problems. What we found is that when engineers see that this race for attention is causing these problems, the don't actually wanna work at those companies and it makes it harder to face up to your friends when you're having drinks in the mission district of San Francisco, and you take a sip and you say you work at one of the companies in your friends. Say why? You know, why aren't you guys doing more to tackle this issue? And I think that has actually worked generating much more response from the companies on the inside. Because if you can't, if there's an HR crisis and you can't hire the best people that actually is much faster acting than policy, which takes years to potentially implement. So the fastest way to change the companies to change culture from please. What about the features that have just been added to both apple and Google mobile operating systems that allow people to track how long this spending and so on is not a step in the right direction. It's a great baby step in the right direction. It's definitely gonna help people take more control, be more reflective and even see how much time there. Ending. But again, electing populous because thous- millions of people believe in conspiracy theories is not solved by that problem, nor are the mental health problems in the body. Just Moorefield problems in the alienated and loneliness that people experience. So that still exists even if you limit the time. Now I'm looking at a distorted social reality, but I'm doing it for fewer minutes per day. That's a step in the right direction. But what if we didn't design technology to maximize distortive social realities, we put in front of people that would be a better solution. And that's what humane technologies about, and there's a bigger competition have about that. Are things to Tristan Harris. So what are your thoughts on ethics and technology? And do you have any ideas that might help tell us an Email and send them our way to radio at economists dot com or on Twitter at economists. Radio finally, scientists have long, looked for ways to make blacker and blacker substances vamp black is the darkest artificial material. It was man made and it reflects less than one tenth of one percent of the light. You shine at it, go online and look at it right now. It is absolutely extraordinary, but researchers in California have now found a fish that made you the job just as well. Catrine Bryk is our science correspondent, and she's been diving deep into this first of all Kettering, what is the fish called and tell me how black is it high? So the fishes called the dragon fish, it's an ugly. Gli fish. You should go and check that one out online as well. It's called sort of sharp teeth in this weird, long beard, and it is covered in a black substance. It's not really a skin is more film and researchers noticed that they found it really, really hard to take pictures of this fish can. So they wondered why was that? They couldn't take pictures of this fish and that's when they went and took measurements of the light that was being reflected by their skin. So why couldn't they just sort of pluck the fish out of water and take a photograph of metro light us. So that's what they were trying to do. But even in natural light, when you Sean light at it from different angles, the fish, basically, if you took a picture of it, oh, you would get was a very nice black silhouette. You wouldn't get much definition of what was actually happening on the surface of the fish. Basically, this coating absorbs all of the photons that are being fired at it, and it's extremely similar to what what engineers created with Fenton black. So this is interesting. So this was not a case of bio mimic. Cree in which we knew about the fish. Instead, we created the nano carbon tubes to actually absorb light and we find out the fish does something similar? Yes. So what happened is a few years ago, some engineers at a company in Britain invented this coding van to black and Venta. Black is basically millions of carbon nanotubes stood up on end in a forest and what happens when you shine light at it is that the photons get lost in this forced and they sort of bounce around inside the forest of carbon nanotubes. They never escape. And so use. The observer don't actually see the object because when you're looking at an object, what you're looking at is the reflection of light that's coming back at you. So this coaching vent, black is absorbed ninety-nine point nine, six percent of photons that are fired on it. And it turns out that when the researchers went and took equivalent measurements for the coaching of deep-sea fish, including the dragon fish, they found that the. Coating absorbs ninety-nine point nine, five percent of the photons that are fired at it. So basically it is essentially just as good at absorbing light as the darkest material that we've ever managed to create. That's extrordinary Sutan the fish must have this to evade predators. Yes. So what's interesting is that, although these fish live beyond what's known as the footage zone, so basically the depth beyond which the sun and the moonlight don't actually reach. It turns out there's actually quite a lot of ambient light down there, and the light is created by the organisms that live there themselves what's known as bioluminescence. So in fact, what I've been told by some of these researchers is that if you go down there a submarine and lookout, or if you go down there with robot and take pictures you the whole areas. Basically bathed in this glowing bioluminescence in fichus this for all sorts of different reasons. But one of them is to hunt and so they might make flashes of. Light in order to eliminate their prey. And what do you do if you're as prey? What you want to do is basically absorb that light. What you don't want to do is reflect back at the hunter and how has it evolved this way. So nobody really knows how it evolved. But one plausible explanation is that in the deep ocean, there's this arms race between light and dark. So animals using light to hunt, need to be countered by animals using darkness in order to absorb that light and disappear. So it's basically the revolving invisibility cloaks for the deep ocean Feth. Fantastic. Catching, thank you very much. Thank you. And that's all for this edition without it. Don't forget to pick up the latest issue economist or find us online at a communist dot com. I'm kind of kooky and in London. This is a.

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Spanish GP Practice - Bring The Heat

The Autosport Podcast

18:38 min | 3 months ago

Spanish GP Practice - Bring The Heat

"The MILKINS PODCAST is. DuNNo. European running for the twenty twenty Spanish growing pre took place at the Boston. Only track today with gets Mercedes topping the Times battery both quickest NFP one before Louis Amundson set the fastest time in the afternoon session with hot track temperatures savings drivers did not let their times in the such as I work on my post practice feature analysis of it is pecking order for autosport dot com plus which you'll be. Able to provide evening, I'm going to hand over again to my colleagues, what technical editor Jake Book. So leg and reform reports, leak Smith, who guys you through all the big talking points at the debt. Thank you Alex after basking in Red Presi sheet by lost. We can the phone paddock was grace with more high temperatures on Friday as prices for the Spanish Grand Prix got underway the circuit, the boss Landon Castellini. Defeat to read bullet silverstone Mercedes was able to resume normal service today as swept to a one two finish in both parts of sessions for three boss Pillow Samson's p. one in. I. Practice before Hamilton return the favor in B. going almost three tenths of a second clear of his teammate Seventieth Anniversary Grand Prix when a mattress tap was too distant eight tenths of a second back from Alison spot while. Daniel. RICOTTA impressed. By popping up in fourth place at the end of the day. And even more surprising ninth featuring the top five was Roman. Grosjean. You need nosebleed territory. By taking fifth at the end of the day, although his session was ended early by power issue is also another busy day off track as team boss has got another grilling discussing co-coping engine mode rule changes Tyson will see needed some private chefs joining me to discuss all of today's action is. Technically Jake box lake now jake It was business as usual for Mercedes with up the once he finishing by sessions how things looking for them I'll see tablets during those issues. So last weekend was a big big problem, but do you think they manage to get on top of those sofa track temperatures this weekend incredibly hard I. think they will halt saying they were. Even though the at temperatures a little bit lower. So Israeli giving these ties a huge old workout because the swing in towards high downforce packages and that kind of thing this weekend the offset is going to be so big between them and the up teams they might still struggle. The blistering hasn't been so much of an issue it's just been Wafa Mercedes, and if you WANNA be a lot of things to still get the heads around but it probably doesn't look as bad as it did loss, we can say. Now woman who doesn't by twelve four is Max and say he was able to capitalize on issues. To, snatch victory away and how rebel style see big gap over one lap over the long runs mean what what kind of what kind of impressions we getting out of that fullness today? Pretty good on the long runs actually It's hard. It's we have to discount bought ass from the overall. So of analysis 'cause he didn't really do too much on the medium. So stop too hard and soft running But when you compare stopping Thompson Hamilton's Times stop in his up, I think about two tenths Wicca wait twelve for up processing especially in race trim obviously in qualifying this is too much of a gap between the see teams, moric geico gaping chasm, anything but. I don't think it looks to you bad for apple from from outside whether Mercedes, just keeping a little bit back in practice you. Wouldn't be surprising. I think they can be a little bit boy in getting into getting into the weekend. Londoner. Session the hard tie was quote garbage and I really struggle with that. Of Hard compound that is walk works so well for rebel last weekend of therapy rarely re-explore that. If. More pointing more towards the softer tyres. What kind of effect do you think Mercedes would sort of that would remove this advantage rebels. Last time around it depends on if red bull can opt for a one stop strategy using the hall tire that will bring some options to the game but also whether you can conserve the medium size long enough to do one stop as well. I think he's going to be pretty touch and go with stops you also on the precipice of a one not stop obviously, teams will be doing endless simulations to account what's best and what's not. But yeah, I think it's GonNa come down to whether you can make a medium sanitized lost united. Over half the race or whether you'RE GONNA have to dip into your allowance of hard to do that whether you're gonNA sacrifice going on I for another stop doing soft medium medium or something like that. So I think there's a few strategies that teams have to play with seven be very interesting. See how that plays out I think particularly in the midfield battle made it was very, very close that I think we had the six tenths of a second separating peace. In the second session, rival class date a lot of sleep stick selves than gun for much downfalls. Saks up d think particularly given the struggles the FRY POW teams of had intended straight line speed. You think that sort of requirement of the of the track Airbus thing asking to automatically bunched filled up a lot more especially when you look at the half space in practices. Well, that's okay. Good Omen suggests that it's not power limited a Silverstein was paps wed the Ferrari customer teams like really really struggled. Obviously, the Alpha's colobus out for the count on the moment but Ferrari probably won't be as limited as they were on some of the seconds was the bus is go. Golfing. Long Straight. On Start and finished right. But is yet again it's not really. So, much power circuit. So I think that so of Shortfalls if you like who will be a little bit mosque by that Saturday we also through retentive says Paris today see offset missing last year Isis, Geeta as positive TESCO nineteen test negative this week meaning pretend to the public on Thursday back in the coffee and back on the pace right away seventh, an F., B. One, eight, two, no bad return really is obviously looking to the first depressed sessions justice of like Ditto back in the water and. Shake off the obviously some rust will accumulate as we've seen with Nikko combined it's not. It's not difficult to get rid of Paris was was very good each back on picking up from where he left off. Really it's nice. Seem back in a cave nineteen diagnosis is obviously never very nice for anybody Especially in Europe I guess professional racing driver You'll saying someone else doing an amazing job in your car how comeback was doing last weekend but you know Peres's shaking the office he's got back to where he was before. Say I know. So I think it's it's just nice to him back. Isn't it? Yes that's a necessity and I think there's been a lot of conversation about sort of the INS and outs of Peres's trip to Mexico and where he might pick up the. soulful virus and racing point seemed Britain's pulp half. Now asset stay that they think they've narrowed it down to potentially a private chef that Peres actually hide. Once he returned from Mexico is back in Europe didn't want to risk restaurants or anything like that. So had arbi check him and that might have been way. He picked up nine hundred, I mean I think this is really just another wakeup cooling reminder ready for the is not a bubble as I. Guess this can be Really no-one no-one in this four is is immune to this. If I completely by I think. Attack Nephew Synnex. Well, it's not. It's not backed up completely by the Mexico trip story like I don't think there's any question about that but I mean, obviously some people would disagree you know I. Don't think there's any question about nephew can narrow it down i. think it's just something that you know you could be in a supermarket and have touched the same cornflakes to somebody and if they've not washed the hands properly than covid nineteen does happy free? Gift. It's not like the free gifts you get in Syria what we kids you can never be one hundred percent safe and you know you could do everything right and still get it. But that's kind of part the game we play and yet to get back racing it was inevitable. It was going to happen at some point It's just it's unlucky surgery that it was him You know I wouldn't be surprised if he was not the last person to end up getting in pilot is happens this is the world now. Yeah unfortunately, that is correct of secret see shot back and no side to reports while the F. One confirmed that been five, thousand, four, hundred, sixty, seven, covid, nineteen tests taking place in the last week and I've been zero positive case in that. So good news for the ongoing screening and the of the big news, the rising point saga I mean, it's been ongoing. It's propaganda Romblon for many many more weeks but we're enjoying this needle that was saying some the team principles sat brown he cooled out a some the claims by the racing point case last week as said, it was s that racing pointed at said, they designed the COP purely by reverse engineering from sacrificing. Myself Nar is not saying vaccine snow more by start gracing lean does by athletic and then we go Zach for. Today when he said quote I'd invite all come. Join me because he's got an historic called the is currently racing. JBL I want you to this'll be between these guys. It's great. It's good fun. I think everybody's a little bit sick of hearing about brake ducts but it is generating a nice little side story of You know these team prints was giving them each other needle I. Guess We had a similar situation twenty eight in when I was popularized by Netflix's the so of beef between Christian Serta people. Got Patsy quite fun to watch me outside and this is getting a little bit patsy. Let's be honest But. You know I'm enjoying it from the side it doesn't involve me say. They can crack on for like. So it's good for, it's good to see a little bit if you. Because we take ourselves foty seriously at times. It's just. Nice to say I guess. So, that's very, very dade. I think as you said, people maybe a bit sick about the racing point saga mean ensure there's not really been any new information coming out this week on the appeals. The prices with the FAA appeal coal linked to that is the FIC clamping down on reverse engineering of caused in the future analysis something that was the main reason behind McLaren and Williams withdrawing its decision to appeal the F. is rolling this week F.? I. Sexy Jemele Full Pizza Baier has less teams confiming that we both a ban on the special qualifying engine that you can read all about dot com Abloh side this clampdown events engineering costs three Tokar. Free full next season and a ye please CD step straight Alaminos we talk about their support for independent constructors. The idea that team should be building their own cause. So what do you think about this move? Well, I think I want to get it back I I want to say 'cause obviously, there was the big transition to break ducks becoming enlisted part this year how racing point essentially go up which I like I like the way it was changed I think. In my mind full mid one should be looking at ways of being more cost effective, and if you can buy as many as you can than that school resource, you can put into the rest of the car, and so you have a cheap agreed and in have more competitive grid. obviously, if the manufacturers WANNA put their money where their mouth is, that's what they're that today. But when you midfield team you've got you have to compromise a lot and I remember talking to Jody Johnson. It was into our Rosa is often very now the that they buy these bits from ripple means that they can old resources into the rest of the development of the car and it went from really well. That's the. So the midfield competitiveness is what we want to see across the board. So I understand the reverse engineering point of view you come. If you have a part, you can't reverse engineer competing understand that and I get that and that's Fine with me and as for with regards to engine qualifying mates i. Don't like I don't like the way. The teams are going to get restricted into running was essentially one mo throughout the entire to the weekend because. I agree with Him Sadi's on this in the it will reduce overtaking because if you. Higher engine made available to you and you can't ask parked car in front you might be able to see with a higher engineered. You're not going to have the options. Yea and. From sadie standpoint anyway this isn't gonNA hinder them in any way because. Their engines so reliable that they CA- Ford's to run higher modes as a defoe, and if you saw Ferraro ran somebody maybe a little bit more worried about the reliability of power unit over the you know the close the race, you're not gonna be able to do that because you're gonNA have to conserve, and so I, think. The side effects of it rather than you closed the gap up it's just GonNa, it's GonNa Widen I think especially when it comes to a constable race, I think when you're the FAA in, you're looking at roles changes. You need to look at what the outcome is rather than what you're trying to do and changed the rules to anticipate that outcome rather than trying to force an outcome by doing something So. I understand it to be honest with you. and. That would make sense as to why Lewis Hamilton was fairly confident about things. Yesterday said, they won't achieve what they're setting out to do really, which is much impact back Mercedes. Tighter goofy said style is expected that Mercedes would. have. Stuff like this come along. And he responded by saying, wildfowl simply run our engineer high mode basically, right the way through the weekend in the rights as well. So you could be right that in your assessment Jijel and to wrap up I mean will remain with icicle. FAB Today. So combat `bout, his his feet Ya. We know that. Much say diesel see Mercedes has been sort of talking by feature Netwon It is looking sign up to the Concorde agreement outside. So have confirmed as been a bit of a USA. And these now happy with why talks around his looking ready sign by the deadline at the end of the month. But we also thinking about Tyson will feature with Mercedes. His contract is up at the end of the season. We know he's been in talks for some time with these about one is. Will be moving forward. He's undestood. So be weighing up see take a bit of a more senior role hand the day-to-day running off the team of someone else and can focus on this little more Jerem political tasks come with running a formula. One same. Jake, where do you see touch each lying? Do you think it's likely that he's GonNa pop up staff little bit end pop leave it someone's James. Allison's look the stay running procedures at Broccoli. He's he's quite young family now I wouldn't be surprised to see him. So of take a step back, go to a few races and Spend a little bit more more time at home with his daughter I. think that would kind of make sense You know he's been in the game for a he is. Now he's had a lot of success incredible managerial type has been responsible for the hugely successful outfit. Where if that? In Taylor James Allison Promotion you would then have to look Ferrari and see. How has promoting? You'll senior technical favorites, defacto team principal account, and it's I would say the jury is still out on whether that's what we've been also will not. Benefit from is having a good technical Ada an leader in terms of this. Oh of. Sporting side as well. We need to have skin in the game on both an titus done walked that line perfectly, and you want a like for like replacement and. A Rate James Island in the law that nephews. Like, Flight Replacement I think he would need to couple of races this year to see how it pans out and test the woods a little bit because it so. You you're losing your figureheads. If Wolf makes the step upstairs, they need to make a decision, our needs to make a decision to of read pretty swiftly. So they can put succession plans in place bring some outside thing if they need to. Obviously. Going outside of Formula One is worked incredibly. McLaren and bringing Andrea sidelined and someone of a similar calibre someone equally nonsense who can run this team effectively through the next sets of rule changes is. I is ideal in it's paramount to Mercedes continue success so. I, I would expect them to to consider it Catholic but they would be a big hair if will decided to move upstairs I. Guess. Certainly a big changes. The could be obscene. We're going to be tracking very closely in the coming weeks and months. Wrap it up. Today's by size Poe costs following an air force. Spanish. And will we tomorrow with more analysis flowing qualifying? Thanks to leak and JEB their thoughts. Thanks for listening. Just before we go. We'd lots reminds you that the late state what I sport magazine came out yesterday available on supermarket shelves, Denise Agents as well as Joe Months of subscribes. There'll be new issue, the magazine piece pickup every thus foot of news analysis on the issue. Stunning. 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The Greatest F1 Team - Technical Director

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23:44 min | 7 months ago

The Greatest F1 Team - Technical Director

"The Greatest F One team. Hello and welcome to pop full of a very special settled part series where we asked the question. What would the lineup of the greatest ever f? One team look like from race engineering team. Principal me driver to chief designer and even the readily coveted number to drive spot. We've set out to build an F. One team made up of the best. There has ever been our in house pile of medieval across Uttar Sport. Motorsport DOT COM. Angie racing have all picked individuals throughout history that they believe are the greatest of all time and in this series we'll be discussing the Grizz and the worthiness of the individuals that have made it into the top three each job role and once again. I'm joined by our engineering and design experts. Ben Anderson Georgiev and Jake folks. Relax thanks very much for joining me again guys so you already helped his GAL chief designer in place. But but jake what are we saying is different about what a technical director does versus a chief designer achieved designer is the person who did it taste Zion car? The technical director is I think Pat Simmons described it as the conductor of an orchestra. You have to be able to understand everything within the team. Everything on the car you coordinate. The bill would in the design of the car you have to with supplies and partners and essentially bringing everything together. You have to be the person at that point man. Ersan he brings cost gathering makes concept on a computer into into reality into the the Cobb hits the track and then once it's there you have to coordinate the development that car as well so it's a hugely involved absolutely an under the past and that we're going to speak about fussed and who is dead on our list in that position is probably he. I mean he's very much synonymous with the team that he covered me still works full and I think it's safe to say is is probably the father of this role Not Is of course Patrick head chief designer impart Arina of Williams who then moved into the role of technical director in the nineteen eighties which obviously alongside Frank. Williams saw massive success in the eighties and nineties helping oversee the team rise to third on the all-time Winston F one and second in terms of titles. Again we're talking about men with some incredible. Cv's not your believer. That party put me is really the number. One is technical director first of all. Because I'm a little bit older than the young guys here together with me and he was the teacher of all one technical director and chief designer because even the Rossborough him I I knew we pedalo neil out late franny. Everybody they stopped. We deem nearly all the chief designer neo the technical director in Formula One day. Start with him and he was not only a wonderful engineer. But it was demand able to coordinate the other people must be also very strong in understanding the roles of the people and I remember very often one-sentence that he said many times to me. He said Georgia if we have a group of people one of this group of people was to do under twenty percent because he believed to be a genius. He believed to be better than everybody. As either destroy the group everybody has to work. Eighty maximum nineteen percent and then the totem of all the work of every people or anything in a good way makes a hundred percent. Make the success so for me. Patrick was the man that created all the stander of one engineer. Yet that now we appreciate the nothing to take away from Ross brawn because again the Ross. He's putting doing this. Rossi's very able to put the right people in the right place and to coordinate and again this is the again the the best technical director but for me is the product. Yeah broadly agree that he's definitely that gold father of ten directors and he's kind of a pioneer in the row an MRI did a as a is on himself at does Williams and really transform that team from radio a customer call shambles into a genuine While championship team And then worked Psych Lazy Adrian. Newey with three likes jewelry success period in the nineties Williams but the thing that may be against Patrick in terms of the ranking is. Perhaps what came off to that was always? Sam Vicious to progress. When it's be a technical drector in Ri- Williams and Patrick? Hey could have found a way to get out of new each way. And maybe that successive carry through into the thousands. I Williams declined really after the ten of millennium they had BMW BMW. Engine deal Probably the best engineering phone one of that time. When Patrick it makes the calls to swear to scratch they didn't match the potential of the in just wonder if they could have found a way to keep that hate nearly. Punish going a bit longer with a actually. We have seen a different story for Williams and even more success than the name managed every we got very used to Williams being successful in the eighties and nineties. But looking back now is it. Is it all the more remarkable that it was that dominant at times? What Patrick Head had as technical director was She could understanding of everything that foreign one call needed. And I think the as well I think is particularly salient example that Obviously likes this. Was THE TEAM. Piney from the facts. But it couldn't really grasp that understanding because Colin Chapman kept wanting to account invent that well-spent Patrick heads led the Williams team. Say A cave goes ready to get idea. How do we extract? The maximum amounts out inside. Williams is hugely competitive Starts the eighties. Nick continued at three of the eighties as well. When you know. The technical landscape is changing. Went through TAB engines Williams go deal with Honda for example Obviously that's fell away when Williams weighed year in nineteen eighty-eight with the judd engines but Williams then picked up again. They have the foresight to pick the Reynaud engine and Patrick had again. Go the right. People on board did will his remix technical draft laws which was again conduct orchestra. You had patty live on the active suspension you have Adrian newey designing these very complex. Intricate Dynamics news able to conduct site. Well as Ben said it was a shame that he wasn't able to keep the band together because I think if they had passed ninety seven. That could really go onto some amazing things. You think. I think they're very valid points in kind of links to who we have in in second place and it's it's probably a good job that he's in second place because he's already part of our team is chief design sire. He would have had a lot of work to do if he had to do. Both roles that is of course Adrian new way. And as as you've said we can link the Williams success to to not to and and as as we've we've pointed out that may be new ambition that that kind of broke the band the band up but why do we. Why do we think maybe that knew? He was voted as mostly to the chief designer role than the Patrick had. Even if having had the conversation we don't agree with the with the ranking of the maybe it's a function of Boy was talking about full in tentative his ambition. He's no alone in history formulas a designer organic drink to kind of clashed with the management teams. He's worked with a successful at Williams said he wanted to. He wanted to really tight touching his job and couldn't do that then. United by on he. He got his to that. It doesn't take long before he fools brandon like a very difficult thing to do and he's not alone in that cam and he's really only rent boy that he's found his property now a proper balance between what he wants to do how he wants to work and working in harmony with other people around him in the senior leadership teams and his attendant. Who Director Ways to see what you want. Go Get your own way as the mentioned about conducting the orchestrates about being team. Play a cement recognizing the strengths and weaknesses of About how you deal with your higher ups to get what you need you'll team below you. An Think span of news created. He's always had necessary. The traits that best suit that row. He's better when he's looking at the car and working out how to make the call better and foster. Is there an easy way for us to separate newest successes as a designer and as a technical director think so? I think what you can look out. I think is McLaren. Who was much more primarily focused as a technical director especially in the latter half of his time there obviously as I mentioned in the chief designers section bossy competitive at the start he was pencilling. These fantastic designs in getting around the regulations. His role became more technical direct to influence as Ben said. He did clash a lot. More and this time in I think between a two thousand and one in two thousand five for example it was a lot of internal struggling The Mercedes engines time went to clean reliable. A that was the disaster of the people. Eighteen in two thousand three which never made it in a race because the call was so it was unreliable. The dynamics a Sank drivers crushing it It wasn't a particularly successful periods in in teams in the team's life and I remember speaking to Patty about this actually and he was angling for the technical director job the time and he's looking back on it. He said the problem with Adrian was that he wasn't focused enough on the reliability side of the car in the walls. This fantastic design but as a chief design. It was his way or the highway. Any wanted to didn't WANNA compromise on having leanest meanest car that was a cooling requirement for Kospi reliable so I think that of vested interests clashed Elizabeth near. He's GonNa have to settle for just being chief designer and he's going to have to answer to Ross brawn with plenty of experience in f one Williams Hustler and errors before becoming technical director of Benenson in ninety one. And they're obviously he won races and championships with Michael Schumacher but he cemented his reputation. Really didn't hey. When he moved to Ferrari and again it was that point of different scenario that influence that helped turn the team into the dominant full. That was the she mce. Ferrari Ferrari era But not just with Ferrari right say Hondo was on the right path before pulling out any proved it with his team when he kept alive and won the title in two thousand and nine now a lot of people would go into remember Bruin Full Burundi. Pay and two thousand nine. But what FA. What for you guys. Lebron's crowning moments two thousands in Ferrari's net extraordinary. She mce that triumvirate. We talked about in a previous segment. Brought on the pit bull devising a strategy to help she could be hacking into another grown premium. That to me is the period where he stops in. South is one of the leading lines in Formula One. Yes I do agree. That the best moment of Rafeh when he was able to manage his group and together with Schumer. He made the pariah waiting because so such a long time. This was wonderful. Decent was all is ability to coordinate. The people to be able to even make the Italian part of variety audio engineer working together with a group that he took from Bennett. This very wound up. Who Work and then is also not only wonderful engineer? No Tony is wonderful. Men In being able to coordinate the people but he's also very trust for for for example. Two thousand nine Karn was only the success of the bureau was only about the double diffuser and I do believe that the only Ross brawn could convenience and everybody that solution was league because he was a wonderful if you want kind of lawyer kind of diplomatic and he was able to to convince everybody and one example of visa way of being trusted by everybody was at the Grand Prix when body. Callo did want to win the race by. He was very good very import of overgrown. Gp SUTTON TO WIN. And that time radio conversation with very possible and it was enough for from wrong from your offset to take a the allegation and say to Rubens. Kinder Rubens eat. Ross nothing as screw eighth. Ross robens immediately. Slow down let Jenson Button to win the race. And this is fantastic. This impression out trust are powerful. Was this if this man so it was the pre cast voucher Jacobs which is obviously now famous For All the wrong reasons. Unfortunately but now I think I think there's no denying that he encompasses Very very strong leadership skills which everyone seems to to trust. Follow the Many embroidery we trust means that I've seen across the across the Internet. But Jake what is it? What is it that makes him so special? A think they're two examples. I think number one in Benetton. He was surrounded by a hugely strong pass. Nazis you had sloppy Briatore. We know how from boy he is yet. So so such a huge personality You had tomo control as well. You had rory barons design side. You had all of these different players who have such strong penalties. Ross Perot was able to bring the together and get into work into all my sister. Unlikely Group of People Angling for title. I think the K. example is when he started at Ferrari in late nineteen ninety-six. The team was nine full. is Hugely political lost years has been indicated by a lot of political wrangling within the team and Ross Brawn. This of will crown Trainings Occa- wanting to today the first thing that he did on joining Ferrari was he stopped all the engineers and all the people were the team from reading like Zaza Della spot. Because all they saw every day was Ferrari this Ferrari. That far is rubbish. That kind of thing I think is negative. I want everybody to stop focusing on what everybody else thinks. And stop focusing on what we need to do as a team and attended Ferrari around from being this team. That was characterized by plates. Go wrangling into a team. That was dominant in the yet. Led thousands. Yeah it's just not full of will force character the quiet yet firm demeanor that Ross brawn that rostrum has said so yet. He was a fantastic manager. Knew we need to do to get team working Yet so it's no surprise? He's number one on this list. His assistant sustained on a success in a kind of magic top trae regardless as well we talked about Benetton Threes Ferrari Avenue He moved into this team. Principal Role Often Ferrari taking on Honda. He was able to be night. Have the foresight to see the two thousand eight. Two thousand nine regulations have succeeded. Two thousand nine regulations coming to set humdrum ready for what would have been a championship round for them. They pulled out to still pull the rabbit out the hat running. He's outing teams EP. Which oversee most intimacies grown pre and we seen incredible success that teams gum to post him stepping down but he ready printing plates lot of the strength to that team then carried on to glory pointing Bell who am James Allison raises the best ten to he's worked on the massive influence from broad. He's kind of tight in his knee. MIDAS touch wherever he goes. Is there any way for us to break down? What that MIDAS touch was in two thousand nine? What how where did that come from is there are no Georgia? Likes to say it was just the double the fees. There's so many things on that. That car I can see disagrees so much right now but Many of the things I think the assure that what but Williams had one toy hot one night can get to sing but Berlin was able to but it also had So platelets from if you like They will in the first teams to cost them the with the new wider front wings out wash with King I think it was McLaren on turned up the first test with in washing front wings. Trying to bring In Woods Three the ties through the car around the ties and Stupid although they didn't have the money in the capsule to keep developing my car it was fundamentally strong. It kind of had been no fact as well because when. Mercedes team was quite lights on in two thousand nine. They haven't had the money to develop fat car and so that was a top four. Took teams It wasn't on Kwame. Same Level it was. It was a mix of different things and the fact that they had to shoehorn engine so late in the day until that car and it still works at still on the title is the Miracles Beyond. I think will definitely go down in history as as one of the best Show wonders that there probably is ever going to be in Formula One. I can't think of of many that can compete on. That scale. Ball may be individual drivers and racist. But it's definitely something that that impacted me as as as fodder watching it was. It was definitely something that was that was incredible to watch unfold and indirect story in some ways. And as you've said is now led into the success of the of the Mercedes team and he's then gone on from there to become Formula One's managing director of Multiple Sports. So again in that very much ED leadership in Guardian Role of of the sports am which I mean what you think but I think that's it. That's a great role for him and I'm always looking forward to seeing how he's going to to help form and change the sport EDYTA. If you guys agree with me that what do you think needs to sign the esteem? That Ross's held in by his peers when he decided to take that role with former one And it was offered to him to take up that road and then try and transform for the ones that Fool Geneva Direction Radically change the style of because a full of the racing. You didn't have people we divided opinions. You didn't have anyone coming out guy move. I said a bad decision. Why they wanted Bros do that. Pretty much everyone to a man. The saying this is a great move as you mentioned Jesse in. Ross we trust puppeteer especially what you said about the rougher but again I do believe Arousa Maybe write these the best the technical director of course Patrick and his father of everybody by the if we have to make a one person maybe is three correct. I totally agree with you. And Ross. Is the number one. Well following on from message from Stefan winning sporting director. Today's winner has also said as a video message. So welcome to the PODCAST. The winner of technical director and overall legend Mr Ross brawn welcome sold race fines. Advice spoke on come. I said I just want to thank everyone for this tremendous accolades for technical director. Something that is means a lot to me very special. I think in these difficult times. We're facing the moment. It's great to remember the fantastic times. We've had him for more and day the fantastic times we're going to have in the future and it gives inspiration to fight away through these difficult times and full all is a great place. Six months ago is going to be a great place in another six months. This is really boosted me and say very special gregory able. You voted for so far Sunday. A team I would have been honored to work with. I look forward to seeing who the rest of the pieces of the Jigsaw. The thanks once again. Stay safe say will remember forward to see you. Thanks thank you for sending us that message. I would say that the design side of our F. One team is looking pretty strong next up. It's time to appoint a driver but before we get into A superstar champion in the McCain will looking for perfect wingmen so make sure you join us for that. Thanks so much guys for being on the panel today and diving into the technical side of team and make sure you join us for the next episode. Where say will confer wingman thanks much?

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Hungarian GP Practice: The Jury Is Out On Ferrari's Pace

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17:06 min | 5 months ago

Hungarian GP Practice: The Jury Is Out On Ferrari's Pace

"Hello and welcome to the PODCAST is. The opening practice running for the twenty twenty Hungarian Grand Prix is being completed Lewis leading away from the cities in the morning, which was the only joint session of the that took place at Hungary's Today. Because I work on my post, practice his feature analysis of the day's pecking order autosport dot com, plus which will be able to read from Friday evening, despite you often any rainfall, spoiling long run fund on again going to hand over to my old, spoke colleagues Luke Smith and Jake books leg, and we're talking through all the big talking points of the day. These ferraris Sebastian veteran, setting the pace in the wet second practice session and several team bosses facing the media in the standard Friday press conference so. Jake thank you. Alex mixed weather during Friday. Practice makes it difficult for any firm conclusions by the pecking order at the front of the pack, but even limited EPI to running the results from one today point to the advantage lying largely with Mercedes once again in Hungary. Lewis Hamilton was able to lead the way and F P one with the best lap of one minute sixteen point zero, zero three, despite setting simul, the heart tire with teammate voucher boss, just behind they were followed by the Racing Point Joe of Sergio Perez allowed Straw which could say made it a Mercedes one, two, three four. And affected by rain with formula three, qualifying, being called off images, thirteen of death on warranties lap time during practice Sebastian vessel was able to go fast is for Ferrari which may end up being something of a rarity in twenty twenty ahead of us on college science. Today, it's going to all matters emanating from Friday and hungry autosport technical editor Jake boxer leg, Jake, how're you? Over very well, thank you. Third weekend on the ounce obviously slice out during this. Yeah, definitely, we're kind of getting used to these triple headers in going to become something of the norm this year, which is a lovely racing action, but does of these stretch stretch the paddock, both them and home to its limits a little bit yet if I remember the one back in two thousand, eighteen knows working for up to Paul Ricard Austria and Silverstein and I was lucky this over the last one because it was about. I was living in oxygen is about thirty minute drive from my house, so it was just like nice and Ez gets home. Before the F. One started. It was great so. This one's a little bit easier, 'cause amaury. Yeah I I remember date, Lemond, and the Canadian grumpy as well in that sense, it was a five races in Iran, which was interesting, but very good fun. Anyway! We shall stop looking on Halcyon days 2018 scheduling and talk about today at Hungary, so Mercedes I mean even though we just had an F., B. One session today you normally can't read a huge amount from that bar. That pace looked pretty messy from Lewis Allison particularly. Give me set as fast as time on the hard compound tyres well didn't we can read into that performance? I know we're expecting. Mercedes AIDS have a little bit more of a challenge this weekend and they still say that there's. Room for that for the other teams to catch up a little bit, but doing that lap on hard ties is incredibly ominous. I know again be one, and you can't read too much into it. and we don't know what the weather's going to be like either Hamilton does let my Thi. This is his circuit, isn't it so? Boats it bodes well for him. Suddenly and Louis was talking about Mercedes. W Eleven car said it's the best commerce cities. CETERA belt, and you may expect of building year on year and the success they've had, but you look back on some of the cars they built I. Mean I think back to six winning nineteen twenty one races second like another step and be still be so good. It's really incredible I mean. Is there any trials really any of the other teams to get closest here in development? Do you think is going to be tricky? Isn't it given the global economic situation that might not be afforded to some of the teams. This is is I agree with. Lewis is the best call they've done It's got the most advantage over a field that we've seen for awhile when we look back to maybe two thousand fourteen, as well, which was one of my favorite Mercedes that which was. Dominating the the star season, but then they had a turbo engine advantage now. They don't really have that in the 'cause just so good. The managed to flee. They managed to flex muscles at the front of the field. It's really incredible and I thought James. Allison earlier doubts and Aston saying this is something that's outlawed for next year, so there isn't a huge amount of value in terms of continuing to develop. They've they're the only team with on their car? But he said No. No, we're going to keep on going what we want to get as much performances. We can out of this device and I guess that kind of mentality that really points to what has made necessities so successful over the sort of over the last few years. Squeezing every last dropout that development. We one of the themes that we've spoken about. When we talk about Mercedes, new technical patches and the updates they bring two seconds is one of marginal gains, but it's something that they they just extend themselves every single race. Just add a little bit more a little bit more and as you say it. Their approach approached. Dice continues that they know. It's GONNA be outlawed for next year, and so it would be a bit of a is coming in expense for them. They know it's worth it It's not the single factor why the w eleven so good. It's ultimately something that tax on a tiny little bit of extra performance on the car. The it's that leave no stone unturned approach to it. They see something they see tiny weakness and thing will. We could do a little bit of help. Maybe on route laps, gang ties in right window. And so they developed something that does that, and it might just be a tiny thing, but it's something that they've thought outside the box for and have innovated. Teams we most expected to take steps towards Mercedes. This weekend was red bull. We saw a the red bull ring. The sixteen radio really strong through the sliced corners Lewis Sampson said. The stop an album with killing Mercedes through those corners, but then we didn't see any of that pays become threes. Dave Stop One. Eight and F P one album down in thirteenth. Were you expecting a little bit more from Red Bob so far this weekend? It looks a little bit skittish, doesn't it? And I think we saw that last weekend three turn six seven so and speed corners just gets a little bit from under the driver's every non again the stop it seems to have a handle on that and our one to a lesser extent he struggled with it a few times in the weekend. A. Speed advantage hasn't really been shown so much in F. B. One obviously F. B. Two. It's much more difficult to to to look into. But Yeah I think we expected a bit more from from ripple when I know, we're getting on a timing screen for for P. One where conditions were an exactly their absolute peak Bu-. Yeah E can't help but feel a little bit disappointed. Maybe they'll come tomorrow, but yeah, I think the probably be a little bit disappointed with today. Stop and set off the session. That was still lots of work for right to try and understand why they were so far the pace, and as you rightly say album, said those issues that we saw in Australia intend to some of the callers there were struggling with it was a similar story so far in practice so deafening, seeing those kind of traits translate over from Circuit Circuit. We want to Ferrari has been fairly successful in Hungary over the as kind of taken the fight to say a little bit more than perhaps other tracks. The came this weekend with no updates from the fasttrack package that I saw in Australia's we can. We saw by battle and o'clock make it through, so that's upset. An F. B. One both came away from the day. Feeling fairly happy with how things are going. How do you see their efforts this weekend? I mean given the. There's no added updates on the car. It can be pretty pleased with their Friday. Say. It's the main thing about stay was getting those dates doubt in because again. They didn't have really any time in in Australia to run with them. I think Losing your front wing in ut teammates rear end is not exactly a great staff that and also losing a floor to the same thing. You're not going to get much data about so the main thing was to just. Work out. What makes these new up where he's tick and I think? Donna Enough P. One again as you say. How We're quite happy with with Efi one obviously battlefields happy to but again. Harry Reid Reid much team much into that. The jury is still out on it. I think vessels say Thursday, that pouts. They went the game changer that was hoping for again. This is going to give Ferrari a little bit more performance just to address the ills with the the cost handling characteristics that thing it should be a little bit better on hungry. Anyway, it's not is not an engine circuit by any means You'll very radical throttle so. This weekend we should see furry sort of. In amongst this lower reaches the point, so thank but. When. It comes to the fastest pizza, still gonNA struggle so they're gonNA need to fund a little bit more Simpson coming up next month. That probably would be quite a tricky one for Ferrari. One of the other big talking points of today away from the action was so the ongoing tech that we're seeing between. Racing, point over the legality of the twenty car. We know that Reynaud four protests in Australia, so he can. That's going to be ruled on the race in the gap between the races. In Hungary and then in. In a couple of weeks pricing point, they seem fairly confident about things that we were happy with the party says it's going to be a bulletproof case from the way we're happy to go through everything. All centers on the brake ducts and dress Sido from Clara and he said he'd be surprised if Carl was found to be illegal, but he said the case does really guess point towards the wider issues. A little one at the moment when it comes to copying other cars and the integrity around that. I guess very simply d think there is a case for Reynaud against raising point right now, or is this more about the big picture that they're trying to get up? I think it's both I think they're trying to seek a little bit of clarification because. If racing point is found not guilty, and the car is deemed fine. Then Reynaud GonNa assume that means that you are able to create a facsimile of a fast car which isn't strictly your design. It's not really your concerts, obviously some concept that you've. Taken and use of look and. Make sure you realize how it works, but I think they're worried. The perhaps, if other midfield team starting it, they're going to get left behind from a standpoint of is illegal or not. A law of cases based I think largely. Conjecture and they say the suggesting the the racing point does have access to Mercedes designs and is therefore created something that is not always design as quite contentious issue, because as we've. Been mentioned for twenty twenty break ducks are now. Listed, par lost you. They were no listed and you could buy them. In from other teams. on is no longer the case I think renting is trying to catch racing point on hop a little bit. Of workout is used Mercedes old intellectual property it continued continue dines twenty twenty, and then where do you draw the line? The FYE needs to sort of. Clarify whether this includes designs from the PASTA NOT Where we find out whether racing point did so of design is I'm ducks just using lashes concept as a base? We still don't know a lot of the INS and outs of that case so I think. Largely it's to seek clarification don't know what will happen. If racing point is found to have used genuine Mercedes property or not all across Richmond, come to, but mainly just to seek clarification on really I guess the idea of being a copying championship. Those are the words that Andrea Seidl used, but some extent has. Always Been Copying Championship like you see these new innovations I think of the darks even dash this year. The other teams Kinda looked and said well. It's very difficult to get on the car giving his outlaw for next year, but could we do and. Isn't that just part of the game F one, or is this going to a whole new level with anything I? Find this really strange this. is coming now. Because F one has always always always been a copying championship, and I've written a feature on this for Saturday morning, actually saying as much yeah, nice and seamless Segue but in I explore a lot of Africans pass, because when you look at maybe one, thousand, nine, hundred, thousand, nine hundred sixty s relatively similar, anyway and then that transition to nineteen seventy when latest Roy seventy lived Sintra to out. Teams start to develop their own versions of that. Maclaren's twenty-three looked very very similar to late seventy two, and then you moved into the late seventies late to the ground effect car, and by Nineteen seventy-nine basically half the great to seventy nine clone. An easily hear about that. People think back in the back in the day nobody copied each other as well. That's not true everybody did. Everywhere you look in formula, one, whichever up season you go to someone copying somebody else whether it was in concept whether it was in design whether it was in aesthetics that kind of thing, so one is always copied each other. And I, think my favorite example is nineteen. ninety-five Whetton Benetton brought the one nine five out. An the time was owned by flattery Abreu. Tory he was at the time? We'll Benetton's team principal and the AK and it looked it exactly the same as the Benetton. Apart from rear end, because you can hundred hundreds of verano engine, but these calls it exactly the same and it came testing reports the time. The suggest that it was it was meant to a similar degree of controversy. Is this racing point? But I think it was ever formally protests. They just said Yeah. It looks quite similar, doesn't it? And acknowledged it because she wasn't in amongst Benetton and Williams at the front. No one really bat an eyelid okay. Yeah looks removed on say it's weird that we're in this situation now I I've been surprised that nobody has copied the Mercedes sooner. and mostly surprised. No one ever really kicked up this much fuss. When has was just copy? This is hassle looks. Exactly like the Ferrari, no one cares because it's not very quick, so it's like. Where do you draw that line? It's it's a very very strange case. I think. Stephanie going to be a fascinating saga that will obviously have covered all across spot dot com by this evening, and all the way through this weekend. Let's go to finish on-track. Hungary qualifying might be where it might be dry either way I think given Lewis Hamilton's performance last weekend qualifying whatever you throw him particularly as you said earlier, this is his going a record-equalling eighth victory single-track this weekend. Can anyone stop him from getting pulse. That job when I. If if it's wet, how this is very very good in the wet, so it'd be difficult if it's dry. Hanson's very very good at the car. It's GonNa be very very difficult. If bought asking finds something else like he did in Australia. When Hamilton dominate a practice and then pasture swift, and in qualifying into Poe all with rebel confined something extra, and on the basis of today. It doesn't really like they've. They've gotten off in the tank so I think Hamilton's pretty much old some vapor a. Very good indeed six champion while that's all from us, Jake. Thank you very much. You joining me. Back I was Alex. Wealth. Thanks to leak of their thoughts. 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Babbage: The Nobel winners explained

The Economist: Babbage

16:22 min | 2 years ago

Babbage: The Nobel winners explained

"This podcast from the economist is supported by rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans, introducing. They're all new rate shield approval. If you're in the market to buy a new home Quicken Loans will lock your rate for up to ninety days while you shop to get started, go to rocketmortgage dot com slash economist. Hello and welcome to Babyjohn economists, radio. I'm Kenneth kooky a senior editor at the economist and coming up on today's show. We'll be responding to this year's Nobel prize winners. The Ron Swedish Academy of sciences has today decided to award two thousand eighteen the bell prize in chemistry physiology or medicine physics. How could we make our technology more ethical? What if we didn't design technology to maximize distortive social realities, we put in front of people and why? Dragon fish is the new black. It is essentially just as good at absorbing light as the darkest material that we've ever managed to create. But I, it's Nobel season on Monday morning to sue Honjo and James Allison learned that they were this year's winners in the category of physiology or medicine. There were recognized for their pioneering cancer therapies. Detachable loader is our healthcare correspondent. She explains cancer. Meena therapy is really an idea that scientists have been trying to see for decades which is to harness the power of the body's own immune system to fight off and defeat, cancers suggestions, Alison, and to Kahan. Joe were initially working on separate sides of the planet and not together, but both of them were working on these these protein molecules, the stick house on the outside surface of white blood cells could T-cells. I'm both of them independently speculated that if you were to somehow block these Molokai. Huels, which anonymous checkpoint inhibitors fewer to block them. You would release the t. cell and allow it to attack counts up. The scale of the contribution made by both scientists is enormous. They've laid the foundations for Munich therapy, which looks from where we're sitting now to be the most promising new approach to cancer treatment that we've seen almost probably ever on Tuesday. It was physics were prizes this year focused on excellence and lasers. Here's our science correspondent Tim cross to tell us more. So the physics prize was actually split three ways, but all of it was to do with lasers. The first show of it went to somebody called Ashby and he used to work at at bell labs, and he invented something called optical tweezers, which basically exactly what they sound like they're tiny laser beams that you can use to hold really small objects like cells or even individual atoms in place and kind of manipulate them. The second part of the prize was split between two people. So. A guy called Gerard Mujuru and woman called Donald Strickland who incidentally is there for only the third woman ever to win a physics prize that was about lasers as well. But it was about how you make them more intense and more powerful and the problem with trying to make powerful lasers is that they tend to fry the in into whatever it is using to generate them. So they thought, well, you know, power depends on how much energy you put through something and how quickly you do it. So what if you keep the amount of energy to say but stretch out the amount of time it takes. So they basically took a laser pulse that was very, very short duration and stretched it out. So it took much more time not meant the maximum power was much much lower and that in turn meant you could amplify the intensity of the beam without destroying your kit. And then at the very, very end, you sort of squid you back down so that all that energy gets squashed back into a tiny amount of time, and you end up with a very, very high power laser, something called chopped pulse. Amplification is all kinds of uses the the Nobel. Committee chose to talk about a laser surgery which uses being like that, but it's also used in physics approaching sort of ultra short timescales. It's used in industry for drilling holes in things and sort of laser cutting laser manipulation generally. And on Wednesday morning, the Nobel prize in chemistry was split going to both Francis Arnold and going to the duo of George Smith, and sir, Gregory winter. I don't know about the chara or science correspondent tells us what to make of their work. So all three, winners of the Nobel prize for chemistry have made enormous advances in our understanding of how we can harness the power of evolution for our own ends. Fronts is Arnold who was awarded the prize for directed evolution events arms. Basically, she randomly mutated these enzymes, run them through a screen, picks up those. The worked really well mutate them again and did this for a few cycles. And what she ended up with was just an enzyme the work to hold up better than the one that she started with the second half of the prize was for phased display. So phased display uses bacteria Phages, which are viruses infect bacteria. And when they do that, the bacteria is kind of forced to produce lots and lots of cop. Ps of that particular virus. What George Smith realized was that you could use these bacteria Phages to screen for proteins. Then Gregory winter, who realized if the proteins you using were antibodies in this process, you could make the more remorse elective for their protein. Target the protein target. The he ended up using was a version called TANF alpha, and this causes inflammation in autoimmune diseases and by using face display, he was able to come up with a version of an antibody for this protein, which was very specific and a sense become a blockbuster drug for diseases like arthritis or thanks to Natasha. Loader, Tim cross and on an Obama chara. You're listening to badge from the economist. Next up Tristan Harris is a former design ethicist at Google and a co, founder of the center for humane technology. He spoke to our deputy editor, Tom Standish. You start at the center for humane technology. And what does that mean? And what is it about technology today that's inhumane. So we're a nonprofit first of all, and we work on only one question which is identifying where society is being harmfully steered by technology, and we focus on real lighting technology with them war, authentic clear eyed model of human nature so that we don't create the kinds of harms, like steering the world towards populism mental health problems, teen suicides and depression, loneliness and addiction. Okay. Tell us how technology is steering us towards those bad outcomes now is really happening well, so this is a common thing right? People say, we'll take a neutral tool like a hammer and we always have to new technologies and we always have moral panic. So we're just having a moral panic now. What could be the difference. I am from the tech industry a what most people don't understand about how technology is designed is there's teams of product managers who have one goal, which is how do I keep you using the product frequently in for as long as possible? With a teenager, it might be something like if I'm trying to compete against other photo sharing apps, let me add filters into the app. Because if I give teenagers and unrealistic standard of beauty, then they will continue to use the app and check photos that have an unrealistic version of themselves and they'll keep them using it more often than if they didn't have the filter. But this turns into this kind of race to the bottom of the brain stem deeper and lower into fear and outrage, and unrealistic standards of beauty, deeper and deeper parts of the human animal to drill attention out of them to get that stock price up. So all of these companies that are trying to make the apps on their services as dictates possible to maximize engagement indus- at revenue. And that leads them to design the products in ways that have bad consequences. Now ready is the way teenagers might they self image might be affected by the USA filters, but. What are some other examples then if the sorts of things were look like kind of apparently minor designed decisions on Facebook, all or whatever can have really a big real world consequences. Very simple examples. So to first of all one point, nine billion human animals use YouTube. That's a lot of people and they're jacked into the system that's basically people spend sixty minutes day on YouTube. That's the number sixty minutes and seventy percent of that sixty minutes of what people watch is determined by the algorithm by the thing at recommends to you. So the ns that's a countdown, five, four, three, two one, boom, you're watching the next video. The problem is that this little tiny feature called auto play actually can create an amplify populism and conspiracy theory thinking, because if you watch a video on racism or something that'll will steer you towards white nationalism and more aggressive forms. If you watch video on vegetarianism, it's jersey more radicalizing towards veganism. If you watch nine eleven news. Video a regular nine eleven news video. The next auto play video will be nine. Eleven conspiracy theories, and this is because these things the algorithm can see that these generate the most engagement and just interested in maximizing engagement. That's the logical thing to do next. That's right. It doesn't know the continent, these videos. It's not like there's a human being at YouTube who's choosing any of this. We think of them as a digital Frankenstein, except this was running around in the world. You know, stopping through the world and on its hands on the digital Frankenstein. It's it's connected. It's its hands to one point, nine billion human puppets drinks, and it's tilting the whole world towards these conspiracy theory type thinking. And no one even knows it's going on. It's out of control. What about what engineers can do? So people in your line of work people you talk to you say many of them are concerned about this? Is that an avenue by which you might get things to change? Absolutely. So actually it's been our biggest lever of changes that anyone I've ever met in the tech industry is actually idealistic and generally thinks that there is the the reason that working in it that this is the best way to impact the world at large scale. And so no one. Wants to be responsible for being largest threat to democracy or electing populists or you know, causing these mental health problems. What we found is that when engineers see that this race for attention is causing these problems, the don't actually wanna work at those companies and it makes it harder to face up to your friends when you're having drinks in the mission district of San Francisco, and you take a sip and you say you work at one of the companies in your friends. Say why? You know, why aren't you guys doing more to tackle this issue? And I think that has actually worked generating much more response from the companies on the inside. Because if you can't, if there's an HR crisis and you can't hire the best people that actually is much faster acting than policy, which takes years to potentially implement. So the fastest way to change the companies to change culture from please. What about the features that have just been added to both apple and Google mobile operating systems that allow people to track how long this spending and so on is not a step in the right direction. It's a great baby step in the right direction. It's definitely gonna help people take more control, be more reflective and even see how much time there. Ending. But again, electing populous because thous- millions of people believe in conspiracy theories is not solved by that problem, nor are the mental health problems in the body. Just Moorefield problems in the alienated and loneliness that people experience. So that still exists even if you limit the time. Now I'm looking at a distorted social reality, but I'm doing it for fewer minutes per day. That's a step in the right direction. But what if we didn't design technology to maximize distortive social realities, we put in front of people that would be a better solution. And that's what humane technologies about, and there's a bigger competition have about that. Are things to Tristan Harris. So what are your thoughts on ethics and technology? And do you have any ideas that might help tell us an Email and send them our way to radio at economists dot com or on Twitter at economists. Radio finally, scientists have long, looked for ways to make blacker and blacker substances vamp black is the darkest artificial material. It was man made and it reflects less than one tenth of one percent of the light. You shine at it, go online and look at it right now. It is absolutely extraordinary, but researchers in California have now found a fish that made you the job just as well. Catrine Bryk is our science correspondent, and she's been diving deep into this first of all Kettering, what is the fish called and tell me how black is it high? So the fishes called the dragon fish, it's an ugly. Gli fish. You should go and check that one out online as well. It's called sort of sharp teeth in this weird, long beard, and it is covered in a black substance. It's not really a skin is more film and researchers noticed that they found it really, really hard to take pictures of this fish can. So they wondered why was that? They couldn't take pictures of this fish and that's when they went and took measurements of the light that was being reflected by their skin. So why couldn't they just sort of pluck the fish out of water and take a photograph of metro light us. So that's what they were trying to do. But even in natural light, when you Sean light at it from different angles, the fish, basically, if you took a picture of it, oh, you would get was a very nice black silhouette. You wouldn't get much definition of what was actually happening on the surface of the fish. Basically, this coating absorbs all of the photons that are being fired at it, and it's extremely similar to what what engineers created with Fenton black. So this is interesting. So this was not a case of bio mimic. Cree in which we knew about the fish. Instead, we created the nano carbon tubes to actually absorb light and we find out the fish does something similar? Yes. So what happened is a few years ago, some engineers at a company in Britain invented this coding van to black and Venta. Black is basically millions of carbon nanotubes stood up on end in a forest and what happens when you shine light at it is that the photons get lost in this forced and they sort of bounce around inside the forest of carbon nanotubes. They never escape. And so use. The observer don't actually see the object because when you're looking at an object, what you're looking at is the reflection of light that's coming back at you. So this coaching vent, black is absorbed ninety-nine point nine, six percent of photons that are fired on it. And it turns out that when the researchers went and took equivalent measurements for the coaching of deep-sea fish, including the dragon fish, they found that the. Coating absorbs ninety-nine point nine, five percent of the photons that are fired at it. So basically it is essentially just as good at absorbing light as the darkest material that we've ever managed to create. That's extrordinary Sutan the fish must have this to evade predators. Yes. So what's interesting is that, although these fish live beyond what's known as the footage zone, so basically the depth beyond which the sun and the moonlight don't actually reach. It turns out there's actually quite a lot of ambient light down there, and the light is created by the organisms that live there themselves what's known as bioluminescence. So in fact, what I've been told by some of these researchers is that if you go down there a submarine and lookout, or if you go down there with robot and take pictures you the whole areas. Basically bathed in this glowing bioluminescence in fichus this for all sorts of different reasons. But one of them is to hunt and so they might make flashes of. Light in order to eliminate their prey. And what do you do if you're as prey? What you want to do is basically absorb that light. What you don't want to do is reflect back at the hunter and how has it evolved this way. So nobody really knows how it evolved. But one plausible explanation is that in the deep ocean, there's this arms race between light and dark. So animals using light to hunt, need to be countered by animals using darkness in order to absorb that light and disappear. So it's basically the revolving invisibility cloaks for the deep ocean Feth. Fantastic. Catching, thank you very much. Thank you. And that's all for this edition without it. Don't forget to pick up the latest issue economist or find us online at a communist dot com. I'm kind of kooky and in London. This is a.

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Why Arrivabene got the boot from Ferrari

The Autosport Podcast

47:16 min | 2 years ago

Why Arrivabene got the boot from Ferrari

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That's and joining me today. Sex the latest machinations from Italy. I it's Jonathan noble you enjoy installing off the new year with a big news story. I always love it. Good news throw in the morning. So I properly back to work kicked off about eight o'clock on Monday morning, but but that way than the twiddling thumbs until the cause get going again. It's good old school, formerly one. Isn't it Ferrari for all heads rolling? Exactly. And it's been coming coming for wall. It's been rumored get rooms always swirl around Maranello, but normally a false rain will come at once and disappear and go away. This was coming backwards and forwards in going around. And it's quite until I looked yesterday. What re Mercier Revenie said in December last year when? There were rumors that not tell you. It was gonna leave. If he didn't get his way and his final quote was about his future was a diagnostic me ask Kamya. Larry the big boss. So I think that was there maybe the fest in the change was coming. Yeah. There have been rumblings. I thought for many you're gonna say that Ramos just premature facts, which is one of those annoying phrases that sir is an entirely accurate. Also, joining me Scott Mitchell now, you'll probably wants most active press conference question. Oscar, you gonna miss Areva beneath contributions got the funding new person to to say something for the first time in public with the air or someone who has had to say this one hundred times already. He was every question. You just got the bright. Okay. Let's settle this matter once and for all as well, you could just set it for once. We've not heard from you on this. So yeah, odd character became became more more public as last year went on particularly after Saturday mckanie pasta way didn't really enjoy seeing. And hearing. More from him to be honest. Loose cannon quite aggressive and bye bye bye will accounts is of bullying philosophy that we saw in the media was was reflected behind the scenes as well. Well, this is one of those things, isn't it? So people talk about the media complaining about his conduct with the way in the media did reflect a certain way, he acted in his in his leadership if Rory so I'm I'm sure we'll get into that, sir shortly. So Scott, I mean, you wrote an excellent article comes plus scarlet area in multiple com. Prime explaining why everybody wife Rory had to get rid of him. So what's the what's the summary of that? Why has this happened? Well, when he was hired there was a letter, which are believe John had size of because he he he wrote the story when about why muck not yet she had been sacked before. And why read the been open appointed his successor? And what and he said was that the reason he thinks a revenge is going to be a mega leader is because he leaves in the. Same way as the type of person, he is that's that's those leadership qualities after say, the he's a live or die by the sword. Because the way he was leader is exactly the reason why he's been he's been dumped because he was awesome Italy way too headstrong further position he was in. He was a puppet of Marconi's for for few years by all accounts, the amount of faith that heat he'd lost. Given the fact that he was. Appointed team principal the person he said all this is the guy who's going to do that he was planning on sacking reader, Ben I lost some up mckanie pass away tells you a lot about how far he fell in the eyes of the Ferrari Pickwick, ultimately he's gone because the capitulation of Ferrari's Tonto challenge last year can be traced to a series of areas from driver and team. And that is okay revenge driving the car when veteran slides off the road in in Germany, but by all accounts, you've got driver that's trying to over reach. Whether is not got complete faith in the team will the car you team, that's jittery and nervous. And then you've got team boss who when you have this sort of capitulation of the season goes on the offensive bizarrely in Japan when they had that that that wet tyre decision in qualifying that made no sense attack in the team. And then that continued until the end of the year like he went from a man that looked like he was on borrowed time to a man that was basically just watching his world full around him. Just like firing wildly. Whoever was inside trying to blame. Anyone himself you having the game game changing for noise well with Mercedes and for being so placed at the zero ring era, everything was shifting around rice by rice, and we saw title for the Monday after their defeat in the Belgian gone pre right towards engineers, really encouraging Email telling them that you know, we're not we go up in a position to five Hampshire again. We're not gonna let it slip through gross. We're gonna pull together of got belief in you, a very motivating oppression Taito in Titus deep analysis about management techniques. This winter used psychologists. They look off their staff if the stuff ATar, they send them home. They put them on holiday that that everything they can to lift incremental gains everywhere to improve Friday just goes feeling. There was a siege mentality culture for anyone to make mistakes then against problem where their bit behind the forced to take gamble. Nls because they need to try and do something special that manifest itself in Japan. With the decision to go out on the wrong. Tyres the staff. Qualifying everybody goes on the offensive in public afterwards, and all the big unnecessary mess list. The big problem that. The guy running to say is in the one directly making mistakes. It's all about setting the company culture. Isn't it the way you do things, and that's Z could Sala cool when they went out and wets on joy truck in the qualifying. It just smacks of kind of forcing evenings way. Reaching you need your team to make the right decisions at the ROY time Ola time rather than just trying so hard they seem to rush. Threesome developments cells ads roll back on this is all this over flex slightly. Incorrect approach to managing. It's about getting the best our people and Creighton conditions together. Best out of people which sites I will does seem to be very very good at whereas Riva by his the way, he talks in the media was very very similar supposedly to the way, treat people in private with certain level of concern kind of trying to rule with divine, which which doesn't really work. It doesn't get the best people Cerny not when you go at same very very motivated people who are some of the best of what they do you need to make them have. The confidence to do what they do. You don't need to kind of bully them insert into success, and as the conference to admit when you've made a mistake and go wrong, we saw RCM Seder's. You know, they made a few strategy errors in Rice's. They went when wasn't a perfect season Boyle accounts Burt when they made the mistake chains vows is on the radio to Louis saying Lewis, you know, I put my hand up. I've made the mistake here. And that's a confidence that you can I not Jerry mistakes, and they won't be reprecussions. Whereas Akon imagine anyone furry would have been willing to come straight on the radio MP, so honest, we saw times in Germany when Sebastian was forced to push the heart because he lost so much time sat behind Kimmy when the team should have been straight on token me tug flat out. This is team orders. Sub guys the championship you pull over let him through Rover than kind of dancing around the issue till Kimmy, screamed them and said just tell me what you want me to do a thing ever been was a leader in in tarts alone. There is nothing about his actions actually suggested that he had any decent leadership qualities because. You're he he created this this displaying culture, effectively within the team, and among not surprised that we saw those areas from from Ferrari because I think when we were talking about before at you you described it as it's the things like the the tie gamble in in Japan is an example of a of a race team personnel that filled there they have to reach because you have to take risks to to achieve something big, otherwise, you're going to get criticized for and then obviously that breeds mistakes because take in punts and gambles this call negative. They're very glad ain't to play devil's advocate. He became the principal at twenty fifteen season. Twenty four teams about season twenty fifteen they start winning races sixteen bit. If a seventeen eighteen I've been in title fights. You could argue the under his warts haven't done too badly. I mean yes for exists to win championships. But is there some good? There is even incidental to what's happened. Well, yeah, I'd say that he's not been the the been your straighter all the skater of of that. When when forty. That turnaround from fourteen fifteen nothing I was large because not played a significant part in the improvement of for our is v six turbo hybrid engine, which they go really badly wrong. Will interestingly lots of that grows back to the pressure. D'amato's Emma was putting on the team before the hybrid hybrid. It's archaic keep improving thirteen. So they were late on the fourteenth stuff. They make changes early in fourteen under the regime before Mattie was team principal under Dominica early. It's a change and things and then they were ousted so those changes played play depaz. Well, yeah. So you know, you got been auto playing in a role in the engines are this important, and then you have this phasing in two thousand sixteen whereas going awry for Ferrari, and then mckanie says, no, do you know, what we need to have. We need to have a change to Benito guy really bright him. Mark a couple of key moments where each each show, the the he was he was really warm into banal. So as as a as a future leader. So he then moves from you suddenly got these engine guy being put on overall technical charge of the car. It's not an ever been. Vision and is not an Areva Benet. So of doing doing anything to do with the decision to put an auto in a more influential position, and then also executing that properly that's what then spot that seventeen eighteen turn around. So no real wonder that when he sees. But also a guy that he's put faith in before producing the goods, you get last summer when McCain's may be thinking, okay, not really convinced with the way this go in anyone's right out. And he wants anyone's been on obviously, sadly passed away last summer, but shows the the extended influence wisdom of the man that even in even in death. He's always way. And it's one of those things that you had a situation where it became quite polarized between Areva and Benneteau became clear, they can own if you ever been let's say once Marcio niece step back, and then and then passed away the police the best thing ever been done is really teamed up with but also properly and said, right? Actually, let's we both. We can both know what we're doing. Let's really double damper seem to turn into the old Maranello thing of politics, powerplays engage. Seems everything's off. Once Marchetti died in revenue was became more vocal speaking a lot more still how to type to look down with the media when with do the bare minimum to to help an assistant communicate which would be a monstrous problem if that didn't reflect all the problems behind the scenes like that I have to speak to philosophy scale thing. What was significant was the when he stood up? He was trying to strengthen his position within the same rather than unifying everybody in pushing on trying to push forwards. It was notable. The after Sebastian's mistakes in the middle phases season costly than the team errors prove. So Kasey was strategy that then start pointing things been also in the lack of progress on the car when actually the Cosby, you know, that one of their main strengths over the past two years in all teams of ups and downs with cod developments in nineteen gets one hundred percent perfect when they had a slight stumble. Little bit disingenuous of Riva Bank to stop points of ING and laying blame elsewhere for this being the reason why they didn't win the championship. Obviously big part of it now is gonna be whether or not the Reeperbahn a not just getting rid of involves who they've chosen to to replace him because been auto excellent technical person on the engine side. Then he stepped up to the challenge of them being overcharge charge of the team on the technical sites. Okay. He's met that challenge being team principal Ferraris or you rank quite Holly absolutely someone who knows furry inside out when he took over from James Allison in the summer of two thousand six led the engine parliament few people were skeptical about wise or someone who understands engines being in charge of trying to take on Sadri new Mercedes and coming up with the best chassis. But but also as an organizer in the kind of Ross Brawn mold it doesn't design the parts themselves next. Exactly what toys needed. What has needed? How to get the best out of the people? He's he's writing he had a very. Much horizontal structure the louder genius often the youngster to fail unshackled from having to port star. Try and take credit allowed innovation to flourish in for years and years furry that was very cautious conservative design all-time scare to do stuff. Now. The last two years you had the, you know, the side pod design. They led the way on the Holly mirrors led the way on the double battery system. They led the way on even some of the oil burning activities or printed gray area, but they've been pushing innovation and that's been a key factor in as the semi Mattia understands. Get the best out of the the stuff. You've got us the simulation tools. Take the data analyzer and activate that the best cost possible. Essentially by the comparison, sir. Supermac Gary Anderson, our technical editor of series, Santa Clarita and one for a long time. He says he'd often being the technical working group meetings Ross boomer being sailor Ross wouldn't be the guy who had everything in his mind about what caused and Gary generally work. Hume's militans been off person. He is with bells on just about any question about the coverage was not able to do that. But that's not negative because if a question was asked the record something specific from the same Valerie, make a phone call speak to the guy who knows understand what was going on and report back. So there's no pretense of all I'm gonna pretend the about this and play the game. Whatever it's not to me was posted wrongs respect for the skill size of the personnel and specialists, and that kind of thing not seeing to call it you'll you'll kind of referencing that the bullets respect. What people don't understand what later you're nowhere? Your knowledge here in charge of it's not your job to make the car, and you have to not take credit rate some of the credit management. But really understanding what your job is your your that's managed down with not just to keep above you. Happy the orchestra conductor. He's not the he's not the person plays guitar best the drums the best of the best the Trump at the best. He's the one who knows how best to execute each of those musicians. To come up with the best end product. And that's very much. What not a does? You know, the games change the the days of one man designing a car knowing all the different elements. They've long-gone used the cause now so complicated. Same different factors that you need this Mazda, minus overseeing lots of stuff to to hold it together. Even if I don't necessarily have the full knowledge of everything that's going on. But you need to know that these people giving them the answers, and this is why ultimately keeping Benneteau much more important than than keeping some benefits. Choose between the two because been auto has what responsibility for hundreds of employees Maranello, and he spent the last two years working out and understanding how to get the best out of them. And because of his prior experience he has a good understanding of how to get the best people in slightly different apartments. Ultimately been the top overall responsibility of that he doesn't know he doesn't under the inevitably showed that he was ever going to be that person. Understood those needs would get would get the best out. Whereas. Benneteau is is proven that he can can do that. But also as interesting case because thing he's the only team principal among the people in that role who comes from what you might call appear technical background often now seat nickel X's moving into the same principle roller. All people with a technical background. He come in with ROY racing backgrounds. The that's quite interesting. We've been outside. Economy's vasko. But who is reason to believe he'll be good? When it comes to understanding, the political part job, dealing with the commercial soy release other areas. It's it's not a transferable. Skill to rethink but your control. I think what will be important is the Louis Larry in John can give material support he needs in terms in these areas where he's no expertise, you know, he understands you have to pull a car together. He understands how to lead people in the management of people to to lift the operational side of things they can execute this car engine package, much better. He doesn't have experience of the commercial aspects in terms of bringing the sponsors on. When entering the intense phase of political discussions now as we head towards the twenty twenty one rules, which Q intensive rec- tighter. Wolf has a lot of time spent trying to deal with all their starting important that. Elkin and cameraderie donate Matair with some of these areas of destruction. Whether he's got someone else in to assist to take charge or take it on themselves is something both. I think don't think they'll expect Mattia to be leading the charge in terms of framing the twenty twenty one engine and chassis regulations. You know, the best way possible because that's something that needs to operate at a much more senior level. It does suggest the fella reports of them that they understand the weakness in terms of getting the best I of same Santa Sannikov racially not needs to be tackled supply said he's the guy to do that. And then he'd hope play. Then said, right. How do we give him that that support for these other areas? He's not familiar with. I think one element is very interesting there and is very important. There is a thing we understand that the the this this decision and wanting to go with Benneteau ivory, Ravenna has come from Elkin rather than malaria been a few whispers in in Italy. Apparently, the may be come Larry isn't one hundred percent set of what is rose going. To be. And so how how long is for that floor f- world. But obviously before last summer, you have any who is doing everything he was puppeteer in in the background, it the one of the big factors on how auto goes about his job wore here's responsibility over and how well he can do job freedom is given to to work to his his best rings is probably going to be how that relationship above in works because having those two that role split the president. And the CEO row is gonna be okay. Well, who has influence is going to be a power play between those two is coming ever going to be moved aside any point light. He is going to be subject to a much more complex working structure above him. But then again, not always in the puppet. The revenge was when it was fine for this be one person pulling the strings because only who was the man with a plan. He had the ideas and read the Ben affectively just his mouthpiece on the ground. So very different work in dynamical thinker in the upper echelons of arena about Benassar as well. Not just in the team. Prince Perot postive thing as well. As the knowing how we works and turn if they'll be plenty of people working say, we happy to this changes happen. That's that's the key thing be the people kind of on the shop floor on the ground. He's reactional beer. There'd be many who think you're all. He's gone us. That's a shame. So that probably says something doesn't it the they been also guy that the people working in the same as well can get behind. And if he's allowed to do what he needs to do with the other stuff being taken care of and that could be very positive for Ari. Well on his decision might for competitive reasons for our needs. Once probably has to win a world champs full twenty twenty one 'cause everything will be reset. When these new rules come in. It's gonna go paternity next season rebels. Switch two hundred probably packing them back a little bit at the beginning. Renai probably aren't going to be strong enough to fight for world championship. Yeah. And you can't really see anyone else in that midfield up stems stepping up sixty another head to head with Mercedes. They've had the chassis best engine for phases of law season is no reason why that when flow over into next season. This is our opportunity. They've got a shot the man in the they think can make. Sunny, monitor. I'm really talking about getting the team operating maximizing the potential of the car if done that last year if that imposed team orders in Emuza said would have got would have been very different psychological approach at that. Phase points lost later on the season fade just need to step up. Nothing. Mateo can make those small changes that will make the difference. I think Sebastian as said coiffure times that he considered the most significant part of Freud's recent history to be twenty sixteen when those changes happened on the scenes in the created this better working environment at Maranello itself. So the coproduction production everything worked better is more in sync. I it was obviously high quality because of challenged Mercedes the last two seasons. But that was when but also appoint point a nickel. Exactly. But what the way separates is. They've done that like it's not that the fun of the fun of step is obviously hardest because you need to make. The transition into race not just a race winning team. But taught to winning team we know how well Mercedes works and the investment and instructor that went into making the last five years possible. But but in Sebastian's is in very true for rehires under already undergone the significant change it needs to. So the big things have already happened. That's why we're now in a position where been auto can take charge. So now, it's gonna be absolutely crucial for our easy implementation of that. So it can make that that fun step. The that's what caused it depends. How you look under the Ben that fun of step lock. It was never going to be taken because ultimately season fell away the same as it didn't twenty seventeen with we've been auto that that fun of step looks a little less daunting, which stood against Bisco. We have seen far well in a title fight. But ultimately come the Fauntleroy season on the periphery now and outside of consensual in a bit more detail, we'll do thing but also needs needs to term. And you've made it clear the doesn't eat revolution by. Stretch imagination. We know we can make good car. Good concepts. Good ideas. They can execute races. Well strategic apron mostly decent. Few slip starts to come in. Well, I think for our able already done one of the major things by removing Areva Ben inputting someone bettering challenge. Because now I think I think Sebastian will now be more as especially in a season where he goes in with the the young hotshot alongside the class. This was going to be a really high pressure season. And it will still be pressure for for veterans to respond to little challenge. But we're in an environment that he will almost certainly trust better than he has for the last couple of years on I suspect you'll see of higher level veteran than we saw in those weak moments over the last two years, and I think also job will be not to deviate from his management style. Will the way he's worked with people in the past? So the racing members of on the ground that he's responsible for not the engineers back Maranello. So have that same of confidence when they make decisions. They're making decisions are on ROY. Side of that that knife agent or not becomes of like non educated. Guess concern? Less of this for gamble than we often for our at times last year. Suddenly aggressing vessels buffoons. Interesting barometer. Yes, he made mistakes law season and has to take responsibility for that fell. Germany mistake team. Is there is to say, right? Yep. Made a mistake. But no problem. You're the guy we've got confidence near he seems eighties doing this with with Lewis as well on your struggling a little bit early in the season. They said we want to go car. I mean, I probably will be fine is kind of that confidence, and ultimately vetting. Nothing's radicchio Germany mistake. Once it happens. He said it smallest I with consequences. But that it seemed to be signs of distraction as well. Remember was sparring qualifying when he came into make quick tar change. And they were saying don't do that. You're the floor is all just this sense of panic. But you just want everybody to become and that's what we're say does seem to be. He's a he's an engineer is calm rational sensible person. He's not. Gonna be excitable. And we know Vata Liz is somebody. He does like emotion. A lot of emotion come into is driving rebel everybody to keep under control. So that for me is is a critical thing. Can they keep vet'll in the operating window is a good test? If if Benassar can reshuffled things and give the staff the focus and confidence to execute rice weekends as perfectly as they can there were times had Mercedes on the ropes. You know, you look at posts British Grand Prix are cool. You know, the the feeling was that this is far as champion now. Well, post bar it looks looked good for them as well. So they were phases where Mercedes were on the ropes, and they looked like things were we're heading Marinelli's way in they stumbled in didn't happen for various reasons some set some team. So if not I can make sure those those weekends were at can win the team does win econ allow another repeat of Monza. An appoints wise. It wasn't a dramatic swing casino separate covered and came back up the. But psychologically, it was a huge blow expose weaknesses depressing for the team lifted Mercedes capsules. Yeah, it was it was it was psychologically, the most probably the most significant Mayan buffing the Singapore performance for Mercedes. They were probably had the confidence if deploy monster when they're stronger in the cod liver. So if not I can make sure those those weekends are executed at one hundred percent they've done the difficult. Bit live come up with the good car. They come up with a good engine. They've got to fantastic drivers. Next season will be under a bit more pressure. Maybe when he's under pressure. His game will be lifted as well. I'm sure Charles is going to do a fantastic job as well. And lift the points and take more points away from Assayed is. Ingredients there just needs the final boxes to be ticked to turn turn that potential into silverware. Well, awesome say the obviously since Cincinnati's Burt yesterday just morning as we say now of there's been lots of lots were in about a wreath benign Johnny wrote something for all to plasma its prime on on Benneteau. But of lots of people have been writing about in red for quite nice, turn of phrase from longtime footman, Mark marquees. He the way he puts. It was the way the way he will not I did in the background. And what we've been did in the foreground basically move in by the middle of last year. And last year you had the best car on the grid been run by the worst team and may be signed for our it was the west race team of twenty eighteen is is a bit of a stretch that is his alma heading tons of the main area the Panatta needs to improve. It's one of those things. Also is the pressure bills out the first off season fraud was pretty pretty well. Very very Good Friday to Saturday. Day simulator work Saturday. They were making big strides from from Florida Saturday, but then kind of things get more serious. So you think that's tested Mercedes advantage of well loss, your Vons? You're having four previous seasons of dominance to fall back on. So it is easier. If you've been there done that in the immediate past just to say roll, we'll just keep doing what we're doing this work before. But that that kind of that that's where the kind of being battle-hardened and being championship when he seems really Don when it start when the precious starts to build up, you don't buckle under pressure is quite easy early in the season because you know, win win the Spanish Grand Prix race forever. Twenty one Lloyd more opportunities. But when his rights fifteen sixteen seventeen and the really precious eligible must that's where been also needs to instill at commerce, and you need need to like a racing team or everybody hadn't come hadn't had a background of coming from a racing team. And you need to being sponsor is romanticism about what one is, and what motoracing is and what the fans want to see in, you know. Remember when he first joined went in the Boston test. You assign the grandson Sarah angry about the way the fans are being treated and four. I'm gonna do my little protests stunt up here. So he looked like a man who's gonna bring showy. Yes. He like a man who is going to do positive things for the sport because. Yeah, this view, but then that view didn't fit in. Well, we were racing team. This fighting against the might have Mercedes. We know the pain total wolf went through imposing team orders on Veltri potus. The sleepless nights the anguish, in fact, he hates doing it. But if you wanna win in Formula, one yoga meet left with moments where you you're gonna have to disseminate that goes against remind schism of the sport, you're gonna have to be hard. You have to Klis you're gonna have to do something maybe like doing. And I think that's where the difference between a Panatta type is racing background. We'll do we'll execute and doing some like a revenge. He wanted to do the right thing. Like Monza having his drivers race, which is automated the wrong thing. I think if you look at also he's minute for always ninety four. Five always working on engines for a long time. So he's been nicer huge amount of of success and failure understands that he will know the kind of case studies from the past and the thing that should allow to be this passionate about about this kind of thing ends one of the things if you're leading team you do to make difficult decision. So it's I was not happy about what you had to do to us in Russia. He really didn't wanna do it. And he saw the mistake was going in the into the rice with his Carinthian ideal of not doing it. But then realized when the race situation was actually now we've got we've got to be called on this. And he didn't do it locally. But sometimes that's why you have to soft decisions. Well, the last few years for hours just look like a team. Even when they're in a good position. You saw of LA back your Yemenis offing, right? How they're gonna Bush this like what's going to go wrong. And. Is is such a far cry from the from the John Todd era when especially of the two thousand six thousand four when it was just like it was relentless. It was just can't stop this freight train to juggernaut. And what's interesting to auto is the as technical person for our he was awfully effectively schooled by Ross Brawn watching how he managed things. And obviously given how long he's been before he was there during the Todd glorious. He saw where however closely paid attention to ABC's only hill, but he knows what it's like being the team that is run that way knows the benefits, and it's difficult to think that given what he was exposed to from his early years in fraud read that didn't play a role in why he ended up being technical leader. He's proven spin. That's what gives me some confidence as well that he will he will transition into being raised team leader in in the same way on a special so else need some things that ruined. Remember reading the book brawn with Adam Parore title competition. Think is called while with reading some really Tippett's about when bra. I know he was amazing. He was amazed. That press clippings will be distributed around Maranello each day which Donald fail in recent years. The regime has been a bit its way there's similar Tena Asli been not being concerned about media that much at all. But also being really worried about about what the Italian media saying says is bizarre imbalance going on that. But that is what needs to create the focus. We know for all the pressures and tons, but he's got some make fraud. He just be another very good rice thing, not the Ferrari, politically charged environment that has been at times. That's what John talk managed to do. Very very, well, you can't argue the success. Incidentally, taught wasn't exactly the best friend of the media when he was running for Ari slightly different wiper. He sometimes we all could went answering questions is ROY. He's John that the throughout out. So it doesn't necessarily mean the. It's just have to be nice to the media to do. But it's about the way you manage in lead internally. The meat is also about. Playing the message and using it as a tool if you have a strategy where you type block out the media and then get upset when the media writing wrong things about you. You can't can't have it by ways really say you ever open communication doors use it, you know, put pressure Mercedes, if you're leading a campaign, or some leaks and stuff that actors destruction force, you know, this can help in champs battles our member middle of two thousand I think it was two thousand six can Frankel from someone just to simplify simplifying call to set mass dampers, and that was it, and I didn't know what was going on start digging. And they need a whole exposed about. What Renner had been up to you know, these tools of teams to put pressure on their rivals. Because all does matter and more is as much as teams, I it doesn't matter was read in the press. It does matter was written in the press. 'cause you know, how the the funds are engaging. How people perceiving your team? How your? Teams perceiving because I'm sure people inside for Ari. You know, they will read what's been written on the internet. They will read what's in the newspapers. They will see what's on television. And if that message is in the correct message, if you're being criticized for stuff that, you know, isn't happening inside your team, and your boss isn't doing anything trying to dress that and help you out that I think you'll feel a bit undermined. I'm Jay Farner, CEO of Quicken Loans, America's premier home purchase lender. We've created a new way to protect you from unpredictable interest rates are exclusive rate shield approval. I we lock your interest rate for up to ninety days. Then if rates go up your rate stays locked. But if rates go down your rate drops either way you win. Call us today at eight hundred quicken or go to rocketmortgage dot com, racial approval. Only certain thirty or fixed rate loans. Call for cost information and conditions. Equal housing lender. License an dates analyst number thirty thirty additional conditions or exclusions may apply. We have talked about the long term you mentioned sold. Accenture Joan probably temp she successes ROY can back in two thousand seven lost. Scrambles year off to that. So in the in the show until they ever we've had Dominica he was in charge for that successive close to the drives titles. Well, then Malcolm Chee mature overnight. None of them have chief anything approaching will Jones was able to do. So looking backwards a little bit in terms of what has been also can learn from from the wide, you think this has been so difficult. Nobody's expecting for always win five concise back toback the Vikings as a double championships necessarily, but you expect regular drip feed of titles. Well, I mean, like they came close in the Alonzo era, tendons wells. Yeah. I mean, they could you know, if a butterfly flaps his wings in Brazil, something and then the whole day would have turned out differently. Infant undo could have been two championships we reflect on the things differently. And then when he don't win the championships the pressure to win the next one increases even more than make things even more difficult against scenario where not winning makes it. Harder to win. Not what Lonzo era led to the issues in fourteen that you mentioned which they they turned around and the Friday now, the far we see now the helping philosophy seasons probably as strong as being since the end of the Dominican area probably stronger than it was during the Alonzo era. Just missing that that final step on his head. The maybe misfortune to come up against a Mercedes team. That's probably one of the best we've seen in from the one in terms of benchmark engine benchmark chassis benchmark operation that I make that many mistakes. And they realized that if they are gonna win there needs to be perfect. Bronze put it in the past the end of last year that when you don't win Ferrari, especially when you've been in the position to in the way, he put it was that you face basically national question in Italy. Like, you get he said you get condemned finishing second basically so working without pressure each year individually, obviously going be very very difficult. When you have this was decade-long Tautou drought. Now, we eleven years at the end of twenty nineteen human if they actually win something that just mounts as like he's like that pressure to the power of ten so I have sympathy for the people that put in charge there because your is completely. A completely different environment to work and then being in charge of Williams. Oh being in charge of report even run out with something because it's such a national issue. And we. Benneteau is delay is going hotseat. He's now the the solution to the problem. But that's what we've been. I was a few years ago. So. Who say we can't we can't know how it will turn out. But I think there are more fundamental more substantial reasons to be positive for our either gonna go back to where they were fifteen twenty years ago rather than soldiers repeat the cycle of the last ten years. It's interesting here, the the culture there was a piece that ran in in racing and Ronald later on sport, plus moist comprising, boy Ma Gallagher used to be jeweled that goes with so keep the culture difference as competitor Mercedes very much. You hate the mistake. But not the person making it you transact. Let me yes. Sometimes you have personality don't fit in. But for always had this kind of scapegoat mentality. Mchugh springs months when he ten see the strategy cool in Dhabi that Alonzo reacting to Weber's pissed off because they basically strategically they had slightly disregarded battle. They were focus too much on weather and then battle and the rights on the title, not let Krystal being ousted. Yes. Oviously? Stressed us with nice to him buck RAV and trying to correct the problem. They Chuck someone out we saw later on trying to Monaco's Costa denounced it which would have been eleven we talking. I forget I forget my years. But Costa was was jumped out so viciously you'll make it custom tentacle. Well, he's been absolutely insecure to what Mercedes that. So you have to ask. Well, if you're just picking out individuals. That's that's dangerous scapegoating, the blame culture. And this is kind of you could save. Will blaming everybody's rubber? We've been seemed to kind of Finn with that that that that's playing culture rather than tackle. The problem, you seek the plane, and then that ultimately seen as you look towards that you got people trying to avoid the blame rather than just saying, right? There is hair his how we prevents happening happening again. We're back to what I said earlier about James vows having the confidence to come on the radio and say Louis, I messed up we made a mistake, and the no he's gonna be I know he's not going to get because I'm sure if you know that being Ferrari in that thing that happened in the lost the race win because of it, you know, things would be would be pointed. And I'm sure the Italian press we much more aggressive in terms of you need to make this change to stop this happening. But that's not the way from one works. If you look, you know, he Mercedes taken bulled out of Costa came from Ferrari, James Allison came from Ferrari, they take people who things haven't worked. Elsewhere. And I've got the best out of them. So that's one. One of what type type will is done at Mercedes is very similar to what my tear needs to is. He got quality people understand the sing your job is not to punish people. They make mistakes. You'll job is to extract the best every individual also valuing the contributions of your life. You're almost saying beside he's in a position to accept so many Wednesday race in years, but we seen also people going up on on the podiums constructor's trophy here. Normally, they wouldn't be the office paper on his team principal technical the rats. The the engineer spreading around. It's kind of recognition that actually all your department's contribution to each other. You can it's a technical excise unique money for the exercise you need pay. All in all kind of feeds into yourself is out. So virtuous circle is not guess that's Frawley needs to to Bill because the ingred the raw materials over this. If we got about to the end of the day of the Roman tables of always been the heavenly never lacked for never never but never liked budget. There's. Phases. Where they've they've struggled in scenarios like the engine in twenty fourteen. The winds on the mutations. I, but I work through that. Yeah. But they've they've gone for air as they've now on the the peak of their climb up top thin are need to make sure that back climb goes on for another season, another not seasons, and they deliver to their best 'cause they will be there will be a time where the Mercedes slips back a bit. And it's not going to be easy think when they face serious problems Mercedes. Then it'll be more of a challenge is quite easy to take the. Behind mighty when you've won championships and say, this is the best way to do. It is very different to react in talk about management strengths. When you've finished second lost a championship. So it'd been interesting phase when that Mercedes era does come to an end wherever is next season is twenty twenty one twenty twenty five twenty thirty. But at some point, though, they'll be there will be a dip because this is the nature foam. Just got your final verdict. What does this mean for the the seasons? Come and. Is it all Pacific? Roy does this main the the should make for a more formidable title contender Ashim as good enough this year, I think even though its inherent instability. Because you've got a major change at the top not quite an even the season bitter or the star of the year is change that I would imagine what's going to have an immediate short and positive impacts because you can have a much more relaxed environment. You can have a much so happy motivated environment is result. And then once we get to stray Rama's, you should see immediately change atmosphere. He won't be that tense nervousness in the in the Gare Joel or in the pit lane. So I think it will steady the Ferrari shape, obviously, we don't know what impacts taking him away from the technical stuff will have on the development of the nineteen car once his Bill hit the track. But I think it's a positive move for the medium and long-term at the very least shouldn't have short term negativity attached to it. What do you think if you're a Mercedes which a little bit worried that this is gonna make them even more formidable of seventeen and eighteen or successively described as Mercedes biggest challenge so to this mean for always gonna be one step up again? I don't think thing to say it is wars enough not to worry too much about what other people are doing management changes on one side, the very much focus on what they can do the things they can influence not allowed complacency to creep in there was pushing to fund their own improvements. Elsewhere in anything they decline influence what Freud doing, but I think they'll they'll probably realize now that with a re many on the chances of the mistakes opened the door while they're a strong they'll need to lift their game. And it's one of the things on one that when you suspect your opposition is stronger you lift your own game. So we'll listen willa stronger Ferrari manifest itself in producing an even stronger Mercedes to to cope. Is one of the, you know, these things always ebb and flow. And so is intended consequences strengthen your team 'cause the end that is a few finds one second of performance or you know, pretty fifteen races. If you rival as found one point five seconds and make sure they're pulling all of them. Be fascinating to follow. How it how it pans out the season? I think we will hoping for a slot. More formidable for all relatively speaking. We want to get that championship fight down to down to the last race in strong for always is good for Formula one. Well, it's all split dot com. For the latest news on formula count. 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04 October 2018: Latent HIV, bird personalities and the Hyabusa2 mission

Nature Podcast

31:40 min | 2 years ago

04 October 2018: Latent HIV, bird personalities and the Hyabusa2 mission

"Sounds so simple idea. Now the data's find these. Not only refreshing, but some level is stone. Nature. Welcome back to the nature podcast. This week will be getting an update on the higher booster to space mission learning about the latest efforts to target latent HIV and will hear how boldness in birds affects breeding behavior. I'm Anna Neagle and I'm Xiaomi bundle. Scientists at the Japan, aerospace exploration, agency, Jaksa, apparently hopping up and down with excitement as they received the first images from the surface of the asteroid Ryu GU as part of a mission. Tell understand the origins of life on earth after more than three years traveling the plucky little probe known as Haya Busa to has started releasing its various payloads including some Oso cute smartphone sized hopping Rovers designed to navigate the surface of the asteroid in low gravity. Now, it just so happens that no Abakar has been in Japan for the last week or so reporting for nature. And with all the excitement surrounding the high abusive to mission, he couldn't resist heading over to Jackson for an update and not Hillis. This interview was recorded last week just after the first two hopping Rovers were released. We joined Noah on a bus outskirts of Tokyo. Back in December twenty. Fourteen Jaksa the Japanese aerospace exploration agency launched higher Busa to the second of Jackson's missions to collect return samples from nearby asteroids three years later in June this year, high Busa to arrived at Ryu GU. I Columbia white asteroid orbiting the sun between the at Mars and less than two weeks ago. One of the trickiest part of the mission began the higher Busa to mothership drop the I two of its four payloads Rovers designed to Rome or rather hop around the asteroid surface taking pictures. It was a nail biting time. Bought the Rovers, landed safely and have started sending back some incredible images. It was a big step, but there's still a lot to come from high abuser to explosive impact is sample connections, and the landing of the European designed mascot probe at the time of her code. Adding. It's not yet been released, but by the time you listen to this poker I, we may be getting the first signals from a successful landing. But more on that later right now, I'm headed to mission control injectors saga, Mehanna campus just outside Tokyo to hear more about those crucial Rover landings and what we can expect from the Hayabusa two mission in the coming weeks and months. My name is Makoto your skull, and I am Mr. manager over here with two. That must mean that this is quite an exciting time for you very exciting because now hyper to tried to put small ladder on the surface also will try to touch. So now it is very exciting period. So it was just last week where the first two Rovers landed. Tell me what was that day like? Yes. So Thrusday space craft started to descend one day later approached about sixty meter above the surface of new and then spacecraft leads to small Rovers. So the time predict member, but very excited, also very happy to see that the separation were successful and we get, I emerged from small Rover and we could see the surface and those images. I've seen some of them. They've been all over the media, their action images, but you don't normally get from space missions. What was your reaction when you? I saw them. Oh, so at first we saw the image, we think that we could feel the dynamic motion of Rura and also we saw the satellite the corrupts highlight. So we are very surprised to see such beautiful image. And one of the things that the Rovers are going to be doing is to continue taking images from all right. So we can see many parts of the surface of Blue Cross up image and so many small rocks and the nose in that sense. We also surprised to see the real surface of. These rivers are not like the Rovers. People might imagine if they think of the Mars Rover or something somewhat smaller and they move in a very unique way. Tell me about that. Heat can hop. It can jump inside the Rover, Jerry's one motor and motor rotates wait then because the growth is very small. The reaction wait motion the entire globe Kaun move. So that's the first two overs. But there's more to come. Tell me what's next to has four Rover and Lander. So no, we did two of them and the next one is big. One court mascot mascot Lander was made by the deal and Germany and France, and we'll lease mascot Lander, October second. And after that mascot heads battery and it last only sixteen. Hours also. And so that's three land is now, but that's still not done. There's still more to come. What's next? So last one, he's also been small over. Maybe we will release it at the end of mission before some next year. And the very final mission is one of the biggest challenges you have yet is to collect a sample from the asteroid to bring back and you're not just getting from the surface of steroid. It's actually from inside yesterday and you have to get inside the asteroid fast. Tell you what's gonna happen there. So after releasing Lander next big challenges to get the sound from surface. So spacecraft will make touch touchdown to the surface late October. So at first we get the surface material, but next year will try to make a small crater on the surface of new heights to has a impacter and this impact or is essentially an explosive device right? It has to cure Graham Cupper, and this will be related to about two kilometers per second. The impact mission is very risky. And so when impacter explode, I have two spacecraft hide behind the asteroid. If a spacecraft hide behind astroid which are not see the impact event. So before have to hide it will these small camera the Cameron, the small camera can watch the impact. So this is a very complicated and the key mission, but a very exciting mission. So from what you've told me, this is a very elaborate and complicated mission with many, many stages. What are you trying to find out? Our main purpose is to study the Auburn matter because do is type asteroid and normally see type asteroid has old matter and also. Water over matter we will get from you. Before earth, life ball. I mean, maybe we can study the what is no matter that create the life on that was Makoto Yoshikawa of the Japan, aerospace exploration agency talking to now a Baker will be sharing some of the awesome highway two images on Twitter at nature podcast, and you can find out more on the mission at nature dot com for slash news. Next up. Benjamin Thompson has been finding out why to drugs can be better than one. The world today is still in the midst of an issue at pedantic. The latest data show that tens of millions of people still living with the virus. But many of these people are able to live healthy lives by using anti retroviral therapies to control the levels of virus in that body. These medications have revolutionized the management of jive, but then not accu- in the vast majority of cases, these drugs need to be taken for life and when they're not HIV levels can quickly rebound the viruses ability to bounce back from undetectable levels comes from the way it's infects immune cells in the body. His Dan baroque from the Beth Israel Deaconess medical center and Harvard Medical School. Basically when humans become infected with HIV a subset of the infected CD, four positive, Keith cells are infected and become latent. In other words, the virus essentially goes to sleep in those cells and those latently infected cells are the reason why we cannot cure HIV infection with dogs. The Duma nature v hiding. T-cells isn't affected by anti retroviral drugs. So if a patient stops taking the drugs, the virus can quickly reemerge and reestablish an active infection. Finding a way to target this so-called latent infection would be a huge milestone in efforts to eliminate HIV in a paper in nature. This week, Dan and his colleagues have been investigating away to target late environ infection in monkeys. Their approach is to combine two steps. The first wakes up the domain virus, making infected cells easier to detect and talk it. The second step destroys the infects T-cells idea has been around for a while in a number of groups are pursuing it. Some people call it a shock and kill approach or the kicking coach. Basically, the concept is that if. If you use one compound that might be able to stimulate or wake up the inbound reservoir, then you might be able to deliver another hit that will be able to see those cells and eliminate them. In this work down in his colleagues gave the monkeys to drugs. The first was an innate immune stimulants which stimulated the overproduction of lots of different types of immune cells and has previously been shown to wake up a domini Javi infection. The second drug was a broadly neutralizing antibody that targets the isthmus. This group of antibodies are of great interest to researchers as they're able to target multiple strains of jive e. To test how this drug combination might affect the latent virus reservoir down and his colleagues infected a group of rhesus monkeys with a hybrid siemian human immunodeficiency virus called s HIV or Shiv. The Monkees were then given a long term course of antiretrovirals to control their infection and split into four groups than we administered either the antibody, the innate immune stimulant both or neither. We then allowed a period of time for the antibody to wash out of the system, and we stopped antiretroviral drugs in the monkeys received. Neither drug s. h. i. v. levels rebounded very quickly after the anti retrovirals who stopped the same was true in most of the animals received only one drug. However, in the group, given both drugs, things were all the difference. Either animals had fivefold delay in the time to rebound the amount of virus that rebounded came too much lower viral loads and five out of seven animals actually. Did not rebound at all with two hundred as a follow up in these animals, the research is unable to detect any HIV virus after stopping treatment with anti retrovirals. So this study demonstrates that abroad new fly the antibody together, an innate immune stimulant might be a viable strategy for targeting the Layton file of war. Although this is just one study and is proof of concept work shown Lewin from the pizza dough at the institute for infection and immunity who wasn't part of the research says the results are encouraging. Yeah, really positive. This is definitely very exciting Saudi. Now, intervention has as promising as yet in monkeys and ineffectual. That's extraordinarily difficult where we've had lots of negative results. I, but still some caveats about the exact mechanism of how thinks ventures of working. One of the caveats Sharon point zone is that the monkeys will give an anti retrovirals just seven days of. Being infected with HIV. This meant that the level of infected cells system was pretty low to begin with. This is unlikely to be Representative of what happens in the real world where people might not start taking anti retroviral therapy for months or even years after infection. And that's not all at nine. NFL at to six months after stopping treatment. That's pretty long time, but we do know that in Rick aces in humans who have stopped treatment. Occasionally, you can have very light rebound sorry being into to all these monkeys even longer, although they really did go to chronic sensitive efforts to prove that they couldn't find Vars in these non keys wavering rebound in Kerr. Done also raise these caveats, and he is keen to do more work to understand the mechanism by which these drugs functioned together and figure out whether the combination might work in humans, finding treatments that target latent viral infection would be a huge that Ford in the fight against HIV, but we're not there yet in China, this treatment for people living with that as long term anti-retroviral therapy, which really does look. And while we're investigating wise to cure JiJi the most important thing, they believing with ten access to treatment it and just long that was Sharon Lewin. She's written a news views article on this work over nature, not come while you'll also find done marucs research paper coming up in the show. We'll be getting the low down on all the latest Nobel prizewinners, hey, Shamanee. Did you hear about this crew that wanna Nobel prize? He was outstanding in his field that's coming up in the news chant I Murphy. Warren is here with this week's was such. Highlights. Spent for Jupiter, which scientists have discovered is receiving a bit of a walloping as meteorites hers with Jupiter's atmosphere produce refreshes of light. Five of these clashes have been caught on camera over the past eight years, and now a group of amateur and professional astronomers have combined forces to figure out just how come they on by analyzing the videos. The team predicted the between ten and sixty five objects must slam into Jupiter every year ranging in size from five to twenty meters wide less than half of these impacts visible from earth. Stargazers will need a fair amount of luck to catch a glimpse of them, but Jupiter's current path along its is making it more visible to astronomers in the northern hemisphere. So more collisions may soon be spotted, read this impactful research at astronomy and astro-physics. Here on earth generating more and more electricity. Thanks to solar power, but how can we harness the sun's energy when it's not shining one group of researches, think they have the answer an Olen one device Khuda Sola flow battery that can both capture and store. So energy saving it for rainy day. The new device consists of a solar cell head with a high voltage battery. The energy harvested by the cell is captured by the battery which stores it in chemical form. The surly energy can then be released later as 'electricity. This isn't the first integrated device, but it is the most efficient so far able to convert fourteen point one percent of incoming solar energy into electrically. The researchers say that with further improvements, their battery could be used to store energy at sites that aren't connected to the electrical grid. Charge to Kim to find out more. Is the cool of the great tit. A small, somebody found all over the world. One of the places that this species is made his home is why Tim woods in Oxford in the south of England since nineteen forty, seven scientists from the university of excited have been researching the pilot g. and behavior of the great tits found here making them some of the best understood bird populations on earth this week, a paper in nature, ecology and volition describes how personality traits in great tits on linked to that breeding Baviere reporter an-and gigantea spoke to lead author, Josh Firth about the study and started by asking what exactly personality means in bird is basically how bowl they are. When the first are introduced into a novel room, orange juice to another object, how facile approach how Michelle move around and just the basic level of active. I'm not saying to consistent with with individuals. So if you release them and then capture a gun bringing back into the room that is bliss. Sam behavior. So in this paper, you wanted to look at the link between this personality and the breeding behavior. So how great tits breed a monogamous. Yes, just like ninety percent of the different birds base as Gretz also socially monogamous, come springtime, the families Pab on's breeding a a nest box together on, you know, these really important. So these birds because it's impossible from to resume brewed without having a partner and they form these bonds for life. And are they like one hundred percent faithful interestingly about fifty percent of the past STA around from year to year, we'll actually divall come the next winner. Also, you do see occasions of cheat insurance breeding season as well. So we've kinda known about personality while people have studied breeding behavior as well for while, but no one has been sold to how the seasons related before. Why is that? Yes, it's the first time that we've looked at how the the formation of these Pab patterns can actually relate to lack an. Individual level trip. Well, actually, really hard to do this because you need three levels of a cliff while you need to know the buds personnel is of the individuals. Second ball, you need to know who that breeding with when it comes to the spring on. Third, I'm probably most uniquely to this is you need to know that social interactions. How did you go about collecting those three levels of data then? So since the nine for is the abrograted is being calling y post unique ring on the leg. So we can see every year which is breeding which Abed we've got birds contrast back, fifty generations now on then the social network is done by putting radio frequency identification device on the leg. So by tracking which Bedser interacting with which over beds every year we get a social network of say, a thousand different individuals, and we know how much time each of them spent with Trevor and who that were connected to. So what did you find the best personalities and how. Affected the formation of these pebbles. What we found in this work is is the the bold miles, the ones that we find bull personnel as seem to choose partner soon. So they'll they'll meet and faster and then start spending more time with quicker compared to the shy males who seem to take longer to partner in the first place. And then even when the do me, the spend less time with them than the bold miles, but the shaima have the benefit of sampling, lots females rap until the breeding season begins the MAI, Endo patchy, getting a a best suit admit than just leaping initial in China, fall, Pat on the bold mile seem to do in that case, it seems being being show playing field seems like a better option. So why do you think that the bills are going to take this other approach? Well, it's difficult to say which strategy might be best. You can imagine in some circumstances, it might be to just find a partner and stop building pad on so that you've got really strong Pab on by the time. Spring comes along when you got to work together to Reggie young and then Inova situations. For example, if that will also female. Around it might be bad to plan the failed a bit more on really where and find optimal last minute and then breed from the in an ideal world, would you then able to link this data with the breeding success and the survival fitness of those Pez? Yeah. So on on next that now basically looking at how that buff the personnel on the Pab on that the form of winner relates to the reproductive success. And then we can also look at how the personnel is Mike drive, the amount of Pat on in in the system and actually structure the society in general. We've talked about personality of the mayo birds, but did you also look at whether it was affected by the female personality traits? Yes. Yes. Another interest in pilots work is that we actually didn't find a significant effects of Famer personnel on pabon did that wasn't the case out the boulder females behave differently from the shy females in terms of the amount of time spent with a future Patna all how soon them them. So we really need to do more work into the different roles of personnel dependent on the sex. And is there any link that you know of between the personality of the buds and whether they're more or less likely to cheat on their partners? Yes. So really, interestingly, as well actually found in the past that the bowl, the males actually mall likely to cheat on that partners than the Shyam aisles. It might be when it comes to the breeding season, the might feel like the off a less optimal than what could have because of rushed into it mall. And that might mean not that more likely to cheat. What kind of next few seems like this is an amazing resource that you can kind of just keep building and and keep convicting feature generations, other kind of upcoming worker you excited about. So. We've got quite a few plunge of a slave. We want to do more more experiments where we can actually control which birds are allowed to feed with which the bird. So we can actually control which ones foam flocks ever. So then we can actually control the social networks and test the consequences in that way. And then we've also got some of the plans to see how these individual level behaviors personnel do actually scalable to shape the structure of the population in terms of how well-connected is how cooperation might propagate for the population as well. That was just that from the Stephen that talking to an-and gigantea you can meet your study over at nature. Don't come forward slash net, equal evil. Now we'll coming Benjamin Thompson to the studio for very special Nobel news chat. Yes, thanks Shami. I'm hey, with flora grim, and it's nature's briefing and we're gonna talk all things Nobel will a years gone by already flora, conquest, believe it and and things are different with the prize when his this year listeners, I'm sure you're. Last year, the prizes were predominantly one by US researchers and exclusively one by men, but things are different this year. Absolutely exciting times, particularly for Canadians. Nice, get onto Canada and a little bit. I think Laura, but let's start with the first prize which was announced on Monday. And that was of course the Twenty-eight Tino Bryce physiology or medicine, and and this was shared between two researches. That's right. The prize went to sat sue hun-jo from university in Japan and James, Allison from the university of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center. And both of them are pioneers in immunotherapy, and they work in the field of cancer biology and the Nobel committee said that their work was quote an entirely new principal for cancer therapy. Absolutely. This is the idea that you can harness the body's own immune system to behave differently in order to attack the tumors in the body. I'm not describes taking the brakes off the immune system so so it can attack the Cheema sales rather than kind of directing treatment at the gym CEOs themselves, right? So in the nineties, I'm Alison was one of a few scientists who studied this checkpoint protein. So that's why this has there called the checkpoint inhibitor. And it actually stops immune cells from attacking tumors. So what he his colleagues did was they entered it neared an antibody that stopped those breaks from being put on kind of the immune system free to do its business. Now independently from that Honjo discovered different immune cell protein, which also acts as a brake on the immune system. And this has become really effective in several different cancers including lung cancer, which a major killer these news say, though if you go to our website nature dot com, slash news listeners, you'll see a a lovely pitch of the two groups here and and certainly Honjo grew all given the thumbs up their excitement hearing hearing they're the boss won the prize, but maybe things didn't quite go smoothly for Alison. Yeah. Apparently Allison was in New York for a conference, and he was woken up at five thirty in the morning by call from his son, giving him the good news and apparently by half six colleagues were banging on the door with the champagne ready to party. We'll flora. What are people saying about these? I think people are really appreciating that at one. Point, although this is now one of the hottest areas in cancer research at one point, not that many people were that into it. So people are really appreciating that these few immunologists have kicked off an area that's going to really be helping a lot of people. And apparently these guys are kind of the obvious picks from from that group. Let's move on the floor to second price and that was announced on Tuesday and and that was the physics prize, which was shed this time by three researchers who they, that's right. It went half and half half of it went to Donna stricklin and Gerard Meru and the other half went to Arthur Ashe kin will there's a lot to picking this when I think let's start with Donna Strickland. She's only the first woman in fifty five years to win this prize and only the third to ever to have won. Yes, that's right. It's very exciting. She goes on hills of Maria gopro Meyer who wanted nineteen sixty three. And of course Marie Curie nineteen three. She's also the fifth Canadian to win the Nobel prize in physics and to see a Canadian. I must admit as a form of this myself and Canadian. It does kinda. Warm, the cockles of my Canadian heart will if she's North American, I guess she must have been woken up in the middle of the night with the announcement to. That's right. She's at the university of Waterloo. And she says that when she got called she thought it was a prank call. But then he figured considering it was actually Nobel day, nobody would be mean enough to do that to her floor or let's talk about what strict when the Moreau one this half of the price for what more can you tell me about that? Well, it's all about lasers, so Meru and Strickland. One four ultra short post lasers. These are lasers that can capture things so fast and so tiny, that previously we never thought we'd be able to resolve them. These lasers also can act as the sharpest of scalpels. So these are the lasers that are used in Lazic is surgery to cut into the human eye. Let's think about the other side of the prize then. And that was one by author Atkin who at ninety? Six is the oldest ever Nobel laureate as he won four. Well, Atkin really invented what we had long hoped for the ability to move objects with light. He calls it optical tweezers and they could grab and control. Tiny, microscopic objects, for example, viruses cells, things that you couldn't grab any other way. Let's move onto the final price. And this is always announced at the eleventh hour before the show gets put to bed quite literally. It was about eleven this morning, but this is of course the chemistry prize. And I think this year is definitely of biochemistry. Flavor are three when his have according to the Royal Swedish Academy of sciences, quote harnessed the power of even Lucien. That's right. Half the prize went to Francis Arnold from the California Institute of technology, and she has done some amazing work, which she likens to breeding racehorses. But in her case, it's enzymes. The other half was awarded to Gregory winter and George Smith who pioneered a method called fades display these bacteria infecting viruses to evolve new proteins. Let's look at what they actually do them what's come on the broader scope of their work. I think what's interesting is both of these techniques have really created a chain reaction in the field that's allowed people to kind of run with us to create the enzymes the protein. The things that they need to then push the field further. So for example, a winter created a company that evolved antibodies adapted for use as inhuman therapies so they can do things like neutralize toxins or counteract autoimmune diseases. What if both sides of this price have provided the foundation for lots of research, where does it go next? Well, apparently Francis Arnold has said that one of her favourite applications of directed enzyme evolution has yet to be realized. She says that one of her dreams is to create an enzyme that can take carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and converted into materials and fuels will listeners. I'm sure we'll keep an eye out for that one. If you want to hear the latest Nobel news, I would head over to nature dot com slash news. And of course, if you wanna get the very latest science updates straight to your inbox, I was signed up for the Niger briefing and flora and listeners do that. That's at nature dot com slash briefing perfect will. That's it for this year's Nobel round up and show many, but to you hangs Ben. Well, that's it for this week and my first time hosting the nature put costal. It's been great. Having you on a wet cannot listeners for new. Usually, if you really want to find me, you can follow me on Twitter at Luke. Occasionally they let me loose on the app, nature news feeds on Twitter, Facebook, that's often out. I'm Shami bundle and I'm an ego. Thank you for listening. And we'll see you next time.

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2019/18  British GP Preview

Box of Neutrals

26:50 min | 1 year ago

2019/18 British GP Preview

"Fox trunk whip michael lemme know james criminally live from that i always say which stands for i read a frat house burned the warm up as we go got an eighty five bucks neutrals back in the day used debate envy much a visual art on radio podcast form a but now i i think it'd be mogul influence because of course a food is a very good companion a beer and then and mockery instigate sp last week last week you're at a truck stop hating again what's on the autobahn eleven out i made me this obviously breakfast breakfast i'm chuck berry wow that is a river breakfast that he that he is one of the great breakfast in a bikini exist on planes a disgusting a i never i never thought eggs watery it certainly second to these so i ball barbecue as nineteen but we're not quite there yet in terms of having that in some kind of lawn full jay must be airline serves in aside both somewhere they must be one in charge of after fifty dollars at the end when he pocketed eli yeah so so when i am standing at breakfast review from this wake way mitzi weekly enough i'm outside the front to be onery come chilis a honoring honorary high commission didn't have the bahamas who's the bahamas and none of them which i did you buy a crash has a feast standing up somehow which is pretty good i think but otherwise i mean voc you that's okay you got to seek asylum bahamas think things are being signed a doubt of course the big news this week in formula one he's a really serves the greatest compete again the combat seemed donkey kong sixty four in the late nineties and that is of course safe one twenty dollar tate it is it adds dating guy michael i had jumped plight yeah unfortunately i haven't i haven't but i've i've listened to alert because i heard good things it is standing game a side drives the formula to championship they understand like abeche so i i presume that he's like i'm i'm currently in cream mcglynn it on rising williams let's say like it's my juicy to help them a rescue them from the doldrums jay's george russell is such a sheet driver pay pay a an f one tornado james i lifted guy i'm kicking butt currently in the rivalry a rank kind of after one right this is well they say it must be unrealistic williams actually's the handles really well so there's not like of down tools that the real homes has could be the driver there well george that saw the point the point i think i finished finished rally outside the british democracy finished that about twenty times in a courier but the thing that i think everyone's excited about is not just after element which is which is great a but it's also that it's finally costa known to the face of a franchise style of of java transfers so you can leave in his ira universe way a in this great deal of it starting to see now as your favorite formula one driver of choice a racing for a completely different teams in one scenario i read the motor sports are come review of it and at the midway point of the twenty nineteen season daniel ricotta eavesdropped from ran out these performing says about half the points off nico hurling and he ends up for reisen haas any ends up on the podium in and rescue them up to fourth place at the end of that season and it's it's not like they're in a blank slate icon of resembles hospital misguided so ferrari there in the full get up there wearing the hat as well so you can actually say you'll five retreive out what that would look like the same unusual who lost that gonna do to the porn industry you're people on instagram and who great accounts cheerleader photo shopped different different racer i tell you what a source great sort sort of ricotta and the ferrari get up at of course there is a real life ring about strategy may yet cutter for higher eddie looks ridiculous i dunno i dunno whether it's the beard all it it just it just it doesn't doesn't even must be my my skin turns into a this kid area radio something but they are in the full get up by the one thing that on new laws those those a screen shot of a site nicole hoping big in the mercedes he's a search he's won the bottom line growing braille something with a heat helmet visor still says right i won't it sorry so even though the same grade yeah you could have drivers where arrival reiser i have three bring the company it's it's a little bit of a halfway house i just do like this happened one year after she liked to transfer fernando alongside joe harare room citing that'll never win the ultimate himself said the networks basically they they won a cy formula to sit till the twenty eighteen season so george russell nrf in fact i camera one of the great now in motor sport a day they're actually in their hand over so you do have to in twenty eighteen two zero one axes paid a window with an ending in two thousand nineteen where on rising to williams but then biz ali shaven at sea is replaced by going to vapor all the might have to rival the fight after awful from from the twenty eighteen season and then there's some arrogant british guys well forget he's nine daniel caveat doesn't appear the twenty dante even said well he i'm sure he does it in in in my desire universe have jeevan don't have caveat that have been replaced by they have a brand formula one drivers i think there's a noisy has spraying vision cold a crease moneybags archaeological michigan's from sharks are recognized gotta he's gotta deal with the appeal but i feel like it's a great tribute to jack you have to close with the ultimate is all right if i'm driving back in the dies yeah so if one twenty five mcginley spree may add standing guy plays give me all the free adams a downloadable content on makes by looking at poach is one of the largest sporting events in the world you know the lift he enjoys shooting cows ripostes thought be part of the biggest sale of the century boiling mcginley outright stretching is constructed by famous architect block club mcginley in the polls much wonder if pg for years running saint bill so the high standing according to the builders kind of nineteen thirty two slovenia we only reporter one out of every sixty one fatalities at outright strap rights such great locations is the primary school sent a supermarket phrase that and the world's first underground right check at the spring road to riches creighton do you find the letter of the formula inexpensive one bullet pacing money lana tries to evade when you could hardly be mcginley sheffi swapping out a staggering one joking powell also the most polluted right countries you'll stop every three under the heck says don't worry about sponsorship 'cause oh provide you with nothing but a horrendous overpriced red bull right dictation and where it every single day also your national anthem will be just a straight i'll be austrian as it goes so far too long but whether or not you want to write title undefeated and give me magic investing formula mcginley 'cause i'm boston fernando love the nfl in twenty ten unpaid safety the mckinley mckinley what's he gonna do this week that would be cool if on the twenty twenty franchise ops this dyke so we've got not only driving the market but we also have engineering market inside that christian ordinary oh he ends up as the same principle of writing points all we have pet fry at williams defined which brings me to my next topic of discussion michael pasteurize left mccaren what's up with that yeah right we have a media marketer mix on tony gonzalez well they're asking the game where various media coming yeah i'd fry he's left mclaren come up and kind of quietly you know why you know it'd be fanfare and i think that's just because i mean the kind kinda done with this restructuring benin blocking so it's not it's sort of like he's not necessary anymore like i'll just talk down to the man but it'd be like you've been banned i'm so he's been taken off he's going gardening lee gardening he's got me must have been very well and i suppose the rumor naturally enough now that williams will need a technical director given the old a legal proceeding get rid of patio and you're gonna happen a finnish they announced that a week or two ago even though he's gonna work anymore and they say they don't necessarily want her iceland but i mean you think we would want a change of direction is to this would you know exactly right the the there's a vacancy and i've got a very competent person it's been all the biggest pet fry he has been in mclaren previously and it will these arguably longest serving employers they from at the mid nineties up until twenty ten 'em at any a ended up a ferrari forbid and then had us we'd stint at meadow rising as a consultant and then came back to mclaren very late last year as well so next up in the tape for that long isn't even safety it so he doesn't get the company qods a signed around in a farewell party a so he's the potter mclaren despite that sort of reunion of of all misused his alma mater it over at mclaren so i find that puts us so well williams of dangled humongous chicken human let's be honest isn't the most asper rational sane at the moment so it's i want animals the pat fry brings to the table at patty like didn't well it's a good question considering how do you i was the last man with mclaren background william tied that's obviously ended very well for them but it's interesting because i mean it seems like pasteurize soda fulfilled a purpose at mclaren that's being part of the restructuring lost year now they're brought on dry seidel is the same principle and the whole sort of why is it that same work as works is being restructured by if you want to be like time giving he's only been there for a year and we don't exactly know what i say she's had come out over time but the facts of that mclaren is now called competitive is at least partly down to the restructuring affect jihad and of course backgrounds restructure but he's still part of it maybe you'll williams and you obviously quite desperately need some kind of a restructuring out patrick heading there of course china washington is in consult on that they're not condom does not make sense i mean maybe he's the guy that guy's not gonna designed the car he might not be a technical director side but he could be hitting the sensory organizes the team we the results of facts you look i've got a fairly good set up despite the tractor parents so off why is that could be the kind of affect you need and maybe that is what i would be looking to go certainly a room at any by william but it would make sense i think this week's edition of bucks neutral is very much the room if file vision biggest basically all of the news is been headlined by but baby saves and where the drive a contractor really that water tyson calls the now they told my boss ical now hey it's almost ignore the headline now whenever a pig leaves safeties under threat it's like it's the papers like honestly this time donald trump could actually be impeached it's like i've read that article about thirty i have league so that alone with but riling from melbourne airport i think unfamiliar with that very specific action could be almost the swamp is a petty locals was at mclaren before he went to decide these and ultimately ultimately williams could it could be useful in that same they're all mclaren that strong enough a that i couldn't survive without a pat fries influence i wouldn't have thoughts are only because how do you how do you how do you never going to admit that might be a better way to put it not how'd you left under better circumstances but you might say yeah speakers when he left side either he's reputation regardless you pretty high even he was nominated executive director technical whatever that golden bear in the very besides these why ova team the one he would have been true for championship this year you laugh pretty what a lot of championship will say obviously went to william grant any any how long they thought he was let selfie around the bush it's been a bit of a disaster tell you yeah and i think he's reputations taking a massive heaters are low i think we sort of mentioned in last last year when it became all these witnesses sleeping backwards that miss eighty you didn't exactly put up much of a fog wayne williams said but they won't they grab patty load of course james allison and that's obviously going very well so if you own a car and everything seems to be going pretty well i say pretty well for us but still it's pretty well embedded in the last couple of years if you would really be tempted to bring in like a hitter and old god technical director if you like and disrupt what seems to be at the moment at least a pretty functional set up i think this is probably just end of the road trip how do you are probably i mean you are but i did my windows that i wouldn't go anywhere else we say that in in in forty wild way pathetic coaches end up in the hall touted his roles and then i rescued increase but good luck and he thinks of venture and if he doesn't get to a phone with wanting me away i'm sure there's always some kind of rolled up full milan a will end up in vending eight almost one of those off track sort of knives tier of a which is why i think he's great marriage any any f one engineered a transfer window in one twenty twenty i think they look if it doesn't work out in formula one you know he's become come the next coach whichever side leaders urging as much as i know that set of articles right and thank you for bringing the victorian references did they learn you voted law white till we get to these trailing growing pray calendar announcement and if you have been start so we've touched on on the potential transfers of a of obtain personnel were calls the move on to the to the maze in this day and age this is a self perpetuating rumor that daniel ricardo it never goes away the stammering if it's not bad guys will get the us from rebel rising in these of course whether there is a glimmer of hope that we could say in real life tenure cod i known in the highest if one screen shots from from the game but the rail line frisky area ferrari kind whatever known cigarettes on till i have this way it's funny how quickly the optimism i've certainly got since it started i'm sure you civil unrest everyone who's very optimistic at the start of the year which surprised me because we you and i would think you are earned is probably gonna be false best this year and then everyone else realize that right now is not a winning card and everyone's become quite optimistic but he might go somewhere else before these contracting get back to winning rice's but it should be said that this rumor if you like has been reported by dentists in who's a very long standing over the one journalist he's he's not a man who's trying to making things up and the story goes the ferrari sufficiently concerned the federal law i think about retiring at the end of the year that's what i'm saying i think it's likely he will pay a thinking about their optioning about their backup and they send it out first daniel ricardo end veltri ball has about potentially being the backup drivers should decide that he's had enough wants to go on switzerland where a new way they they'll have stolen bases covered number french fast because according to these reports leave mercedes option on him expires on the cities of june so he's sued racing under while you'll be out of contact bmw anyway there's no sign that the mercedes one race on you i think i will give and he's got a pretty good job this year he's doing these unique when you're not going to drive really close then you're kind of while he's in contract this year is of course rooms we love talking about exit closes in the last couple of months but there's a rumor that of course if it's a mercedes friday the comes knocking you'll be free totally i'm considering the way runners brings her father she i would imagine that that could well be he's the closest all depend on sebastian redel retiring at the end of the year which he sort of said fairly definitively a stair but he will be here next year nichols nick artistic said the same thing when he won the championship if you wanna put fuel the fire but it does depend on that why it's so important that a couple of things first of all these ferrari tens have contact with the ritually every driver on the great because i can only tell anyone because they wanna drive ferrari so maybe not quite as soon as i saw this out a but on the other hand is well doesn't necessarily mean that they're not thinking about twenty twentyone because of course fatal easy out of contracting trains running on may decide to go there because the regulations will change in retirement and then well maybe then you are looking at the fact the recalled his contract in both testify peas well sorry just because it might not eventually next season doesn't mean this isn't something that might not happen in the future that's the only thing that scares me is the fact that for whatever reason there is if if one of woke up a that is a lot of effort fernando alongside mike weber timing they cremers absolutely appalling like a could you imagine if we had an option got ferrari inundate does going twenty twentyone a but when he ran away from has produced the best guy ever saying in four with a lot a lot piloted by remained garage band and you know so i like her own to doesn't end up it's winning a championship with john i look i'd be daniel what a story yeah i regret doing that and very sarcastic signs that would be the story laissez faire these midfield wyckoff clocks forward the lawn drive is finally on on on the big stage a long they've paid everyone if if you need some used the word ricotta ferrari and then guiseley miscellaneous so if we've covered this fancy engineering transfers fantasy formula one driver moves now fancy formula one calendar moved because melvin data australia is become the first to announce a its lawsuit on the twenty twenty calendar and yes again a melbourne will be the season i put up celebrating its twenty chiefs email which i remember going to the ten year anniversary thinking jay that's a long time ago twenty five years now that's frightening it's some sort of mentioned before that when we talk about countless countless examples that sort of still feel melba in particular i because of course is that like before that allows who's got ten years didn't that so i take flight please keep a secret a is it feels kinda like newish right so i guess you're not you're really by twentyfive used a long time but it's it's among the longest standing rice's at this point yeah and that's gonna have value is not just people recognize that attracted pouring in look under the con regulations i guess it kind of you spot any points become an important and i i yeah unimportant in mile certain kind of rice the crowd is always pretty good day everyone have a good time they it's often held up by forty one is being an example of a well run event which i think it definitely you convey to a lot of other races from the spectator point again from the splits point of view so yeah i mean that's a it's an important being musical yeah twentyfifth anniversary seventy it'll be the seventy caesar florida one is well guan is really gonna kick out celebrating all kinds of boston lost show sorry that's a really good just a good story yeah so it's tentatively pros and still gonna be ratified buddy if i will modest full council a little bit later this year pots of pretty much will be left to i fold the twelfth through the fifteenth of march when i'm just reading the release now from the one you could tell he is top dog it wouldn't be able to perform in the reference a that it's following during the labor day long way can but also the wake before the start of the nfl season was over before it obvious now that it's very important if if over the wants to avoid a that ran one clash twenty twenty it's gonna be it's gonna be exciting i really hope that we say max is stepping in a racing point so he said and christian or you know or pairing highly it on his and clay williams is over mclaren says i'm raising in the background is ross perot in equivalent of a formula one side but this weekend musical the british throne parade coming home a yes again over silvis in this way can i it's a suicide property rights for because nobody traffic still stand the british throne free situation well they probably will be diaries a renewed contractors who listen to this is the last one on that contract and sort of like a good couple of months they bring plenty of reports saying that you know the deal has been inside and then you're told the show it's nothing you know not having babies but make sure you buy tickets this could be the last two students and i gave her on fully expects them to announce its in which died i remember alice's circus someone that malaysia awhile ago right now i guess i just know the counter but they made their announcement i think as the checkered flag fell in the rice some poll secretary came random put a piece of paper on everyone's desk in the senate saying the rice ago now to you just elise convenient time imaginable to announce a renewed contract track my real question is when they announced it but i suspect that will happen again i think that's great news story because it is almost like wittiest trailing grown prayed hard to imagine the british growing pray rising somewhere else now 'em phyllis in sorry injury with the sport of course in those that brace a sort of reality that going to announce that donington who's going to be a the higher the british growing pray and boy did that work out favorably for all parties involved so i think it's a good news story about delisted in avondale performing the one that a civil suit and could potentially tom recordings calls a have a future informing the one at least for the short medium 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blocks unusual other in the crowd size look on both of neutrals i enjoy the british growing pray mako plays a fly show a full one pass and get the kids out of the way i cut the line then imply that i want your view of it as well because i think it's a guy as well but enjoy the real life british grown pray with you in slovenia the moment slovakia sovereign i think i've just seen a real life teak not interesting on the lead chair i think if you see one before tonight's looks like what one chance yeah anyway they are they good yeah that's interesting yeah so speech mexico another meal i'm sure oh yes a secular chinese mayo play next time so if it's true recorded live winter hey may say which stands for a bucket of chicken the most expensive mayo we could afford to consume jarring the recording of this podcast looks neutral they're proud to be mogul product a but something that is it is a cool zero five versus the woman lived a weird playing accepts from the last few weeks is wild old are 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The Greatest F1 Team - Team Principal

The Autosport Podcast

25:58 min | 6 months ago

The Greatest F1 Team - Team Principal

"The greatest one team. Hello and welcome to the final part of what is being a very special seven We've attempted to answer the question. What with the lineup of the greatest F. One team look like from Race Engineer. Team principal lead to lead drive at chief designer and even the ready coveted number. Two driver's fault we've set out to build an F one team made of the best that has ever been. Iron House panel made up all of our F. One experts from across the globe have all pick individuals throughout history. That they believe are the greatest of all time and in this series. We've been discussing the careers under winus of the individuals that have made it into the top three for each joke role. I'm jess highest. And today I am joined by James Allen John Noble then Anderson and Rebecca could so I reckon everyone but want to be a team principal given the past anelle disposal but what does the ideal candidate need to be good at? What makes a great team? Principal STANDOUT OVER. The key thing is just being all areas. You can't just be strong in one area. Econ speak to get in the sponsors in. Just be good at managing the drivers. You conscious be good at dealing with the politics you need to be there across all areas and keep things under control And I think all our a top three team principles all delivered this their most accessible peaks of their careers They've will lead from the front stood out in the crowds and they've all proved to be moss strike in winning championships. It's unbelievably difficult to win in formula needing to win World Championship. It's been when multiple world championships is. All three of our finalists of dom is odd. Takes an awful lot of them because it's like it's like a bar soap. It's always on the move. He's just keeping hold things in an someone wants to lead. This wants more money in that drive to keep a winning team together is really hard and then to motivate them to win again and again and again even though it might look easy for me. Outsca IDAHO YOU know. These teams winning multiple Welsh Car Course Are But just having the best just having the best drive of getting to that? Point is unbelievably difficult. So I think that's why it's been good that you've signed this to the last of the series early. Because this is the ultimate row because Ev Fountain at everything comes from the team principal younger I team principal. Younger right designer. The right drivers in anybody people don't want the team with the right team principally they on the the team so it's it's fundamentally important massively difficult to do. Well let's look at the passing. We find in third place as voted by our panel of experts from around the world. And it's going to be one of the most iconic names in Formula One. That still carries his name to this day. That's of course Steph. Frank Williams who founded the team his own team in nineteen seventy seven and was celebrating the first win two years later at remarkably US drivers and constructors well championship in nineteen eighty. And they want to be the last of his winds. He really is emerges sport legend. Isn't he yeah he's He's lost of the MOHICANS. The among our our shortlist echoes. If Chapman far came before oversee he competed against a guy who's founded a team from nothing. I started by entering customer. 'cause then decided to strike as a constructor. He was much derided early on in his team cooling wanker Williams but he pressed on forced amazing partnership with Patrick Head. That team to the very a. You could argue that you know as time has gone on. Williams's obviously declined incredible success Through the nineties recapture the glory as with BMW in the two thousands maybe some strategic decisions when against them. I should frank given up more control to allow seem to modernize but you have to hand. It in. His team is still going and night. Chapman's tain latest STA- declined in his later years Ferrari. Before his death they went going through the best of times. It's very hard to stay on top as change saying earlier even to get to. The top is extraordinarily difficult site. You have to hand Frank Williams. He's probably not the guy you'd you would want running on modern great steph form team considering that Williams has been in decline for a while now and they have won a race in two twenty twelve. And we've only won one since two thousand and four but nevertheless the legend Formula One. Somebody that we should definitely acknowledge that Frank Williams is not only a fantastic principle. Listen example of the termination because Rennie stocked to follow his dream. E was not a very good condition. E E bill this team from the ground so it was not easy to start so yes to do a lot of problems because was not easy especially the first couple of years but the way you build the so big company into mortal sports fighting with the big factor because of course they time also providing wasn't while the doctor will feature was is an example of patient. When you when you're really believe in something and you spend all your entire life to follow your dream. Sometimes you sacrifice everything our new also there that the human relationship because you out totally folk who said when your target for me. This is an example for a lot of people and I think now is more difficult to find the person that every time is ready to risk himself everything just because he want to to to see his dream realized in the sporting the target that the achieve was absolute Testing I think the number of people might be a little surprised. That is not wrong. Dennis rather than Frank Williams. I think it's seems class finding the balanced decision of this wide level. Our F when experts from across the world. But I think for me what makes Frank Stand up a Ron? Dennis is one of the points That which is he used. Determination outside apples that resilience solvency coming back from his nineteen ninety-six road accident to then. How will the success to be had but I think it also speaks about the way that he built a team. In how empowered the team around it mentioned actors fundamentally Off of the success of Williams. I always used to say Ron. Dennis was the best and worst thing about McLaren because we such a big personality. Sat Dad. You couldn't really get away from that wears with Frank Williams. It's I think the fact that he was sort of Sorrento had multiple phases of success which which is difficult every extended period of time but those are the fact that people have bathroom empowered and he's organizations than they were in Rome. Dennis is in my is why he made the two thousand three and runs Frank won't be running on pavement. Fortunately and nor will the current FAA president. John Todd now. Obviously Ferrari has always been a high pressure environment and that hasn't always lead to success and before taught became team. Principal Ferrari had gone eleven years without a constructors title and fifteen. Without a driver's he built the team that would go wants dominate the early two thousands. Just how did he turn that around? These friars ruled viewed as united. The Shoemaker Gloria's and brilliant job Michael Jordan but actually it was all the results of what Jonathan to turn for around scared of the old. Furry mentality come into this. New reactive racing team wasn't straight straightaway didn't come easily difficult early years trying to turn things around and get them going but once he hit his stride once they got but Dream Team's cover of Schumacher Ross brawn. Rory Byrne John Todd you know they pushed on and paradorn an a brilliant brilliant era Formula One and three John was a brilliant team principal roofless times unpopular times but three all is number one focus winning And the end of the day is your drop as team principal. The number one responsibility is victory. The rebuild challenge that John Leads to. Diaries is not to be underestimated when he went that they didn't have a gearbox departments in. Marinella informant while it was in Surrey so I mean there was so much work to do. I'm in bed. I was watching biography. Michael Schumacher. John gave me a lot of a lot of times and he was sort shining around it that before. He got that if you like. And he said it was like kind of creaking old building that has some wonderful architectural features but basically ahead interiors just needed to be completely refurbished and essentially what he did Starting just after his his run of success. Excuse me with pleasure and building the team up for MEG. And then putting the right pieces in place obviously Michael Schumacher was a fundamental Came along in nineteen ninety six and then Ross Brune in nineteen ninety seven alert. They added some extra personalities. That was Kinda cool about team. The way they operate it was on a Fair so the principal figures. Todd ruin the shoe Mecca Montanelli but none of the wanted to let the other one down and it was just this e credibly intense so to grew a leadership group. The top of which Schumacher was definitely off the meant that they will always always always striving for that extra few percent occasionally them across the line carries neither. Do some things that were not particularly popular. Whether it's t motors decisions. Some strange stuff. Lighten Black Flags and so to get out in the steward's removed was kind of thing but they will absolutely bang up against the limit of what was what was permissible de. Never wanted to let each other down. I think that's what made that team. So so unbeatable. I think that quarry that are two points that might be of the coupons for the success of jumped out the first one that he was able to choose the right people and When each as you said the sproul cash market Audebert that that was very top-class in slow the second one is that e the responsibility over everything in Maranello that was a big risk because in case of bad result of course he was the first one that still be fired but he said I am the team principal. I am the boss and the everybody must follow Meyer. That is not easy. Ferrari because there are a lot of politics in the history and it's a very crucial I think that the is the only way to run properly for if you want to run property you bus heads. The complete control of the debt was John. Paul was able to have it to able to establish a new culture a long established team which is extraordinarily difficult to do especially when that team has gone through a long period of failure in an underachievement. I think he can make a really really strong case for being the number one choice for fifteen principles ferry very close. Run thing A great hit rate was almost a hundred wins. I think in fourteen seasons there you know he set the template radio think for being a modern team principal in charge of a monolithic organisation hundreds of people disparate departments. Trying to bring together while dating with politics an issue in the final reckoning. Hold against him the fact that he's in charge of Ferrari to have special standing within the school had a veto with the rose. Will these kinds of things and of course when route changes did come up to threaten Ferrari's again? The the two thousand point they did they did struggle and didn't quite recapture their their former glory. So he couldn't. He couldn't renew the team really having established that dominant runways she mecca at Towel. But nevertheless you make radio strong case for I think if you WANNA join analyze what is specialty was Roberto saying. I think it's that commitment Incentive was was sort of the ultimate example of commitment is a racing driver things. The same is true with talk to whoever is working for whatever badges got on his shirt whether or whether it's Ferrari whether it cepheid today would go through a brick wall so that organization. He wasn't the owner Frank. Williams was the name of the. He was always an employee but he was employee listening. Would go through a brick wall to achieve what he wanted to achieve him. That's what made specialist team principal. But that's not quite enough to lead our team because our team principal is actually betted towards run of five consecutive drivers and constructors titles. And of course we're talking about a satin. Mr Toto Wolff Mercedes is now one the past six championship doubles anti-thai Wolf has been the man seeing all and a k. the team took advantage of the new power unit. Regulation twenty fourteen but through all the rule changes since then nobody can seemingly managed to end the run. So what makes wolf just so don good? I think it's the way the way the championships have on from each other. New Challenges overcome all the time when when the titles one in two thousand fourteen People put it down. Oh the best engineers by far the best. This is why they wanNA talk little bit. As the years went on as the rules were changed. Is the challenges. Came up of drivers of new era rules as just got better and better and better organization No complacency Taito management style has allow people to flourish Kept the team very very consistent and the best people And I think those those qualities ability to harness people. He's got much in the right way. get a very unified team. Is I think just put some above the rest right now. What surprised me a lot. Is that Mercedes? Looks like a magic box. I mean game sale is on was fired by Ratty Andy Mercedes is doing from dusty job. The same had been sweet out. Costar was the Cincinnati fighting by fanatic. And then he must see does he. Different dusty jump. What surprised me. A lot is the relationship incitement. Cdc's disease from Iran lease ward where people is constantly and oppression. But I think don't talk. Create the system that the for me. It's difficult for space difficult to understand. But he create a system where the people is the condition to give this one hundred percent. We doubt politics and without stress. That is something that consent you to reduce New People into the place people but we know effect in the result is not one main show e create. The system that for me is the best quality at the best part of the job. That thought did the last ten years. He's got this line. I don't know how to design Surface but I know everything about the guy who does. I think that's exactly right. He goes back to what Ben was saying on about culture of see told had to come into Ferrari adapt a longstanding coach to be what he wanted it to be sort of an iron fist whereas with toto obviously Ross Perot lovely establishing work building up that team from bridging from home. A broom into early diocese. But what hotel did and when you get a chance to cover these service. Cd's and talked to him about it. He's April combination about modern psychology German military tactics and all sorts of other things together into this management style. Whether is a no fare coach? You know they don't blame the person. They blamed the problem that the nonsense that everything an everything that they do. They just do it better than everybody else. Now if you look at times in how he's aged how he's gone over the last six or seven years it's taken a lot out to them and that's why it's interesting at the moment to see what he's going to do next and how much longer he'll carry on doing this full. Because he's obviously ultra high achiever. But what else does he got left. What else do ambitions contain an? I'm fascinated to see that I think it was very close between him and solve this crisis referencing principle but just the creation the shit depths of of culture. I think he think the only criticism you could probably level types of is that this thing that James Lead to that. He kind of inherited the team in a way that taught didn't up that sent. He also supercharged. Mercedes through the hybrid arena. He's made much more of what is there. He's created this culture as we said of FEHB also have accountability so every employee there is is able to express how they feel about how things are going without fear or favor and they can attack legs. Problems unimproved the fact. They've been able to sustain they rom. Three to significant rule changes over the last few years may not that some precedents is far as we can see and his hit rate of success beyond the fact that he's got the stakes and six compared to five and five. Mercedes one something like ninety two races in seven years with taught at the helm you know. That's that compares to talk winning a ninety nine fourteen years so incredibly efficient in terms of winning and he'll say manages it with the other things you know he's he's good on the politics He's a good front man for the tape. He manages the commercial side. He started that team in a way that makes it not too depending on the parent company. Daimler I it. Sustainability and another key thing is that he's been able to get the most out of historic driver Lewis. Hamilton Lewis is better bathroom better with Taito at the Hellman. Lewis speaks really highly of title. As does James Allison him as the best boss. They've had in foam and that speaks volumes. The other thing about wolf is that he doesn't have a background. As a manager he was an investor many was sheldon Williams. He got the opportunity to become a manager Obviously he's had to his management style in the job from the get-go winning world championships where we'll see John had many many years Managing Persia teams etc etc. Before that and I think that's the most remarkable thing about about such a wolf is he. He told himself to become manager literally whilst winning his also had varied experiences dealing with different types of Dr Relationships. You know you've had the the equal number ones of Rosberg and Louis where you're trying to control to drive coming through championship. Who are totally loggerheads? We each other dealt with the controversies. The Monaco Escape Road Instagram Nikko. The Spanish Grand Prix in two thousand sixteen when the Pack Alighted Subsequent Collisions. He's dealt with a lot but he's also managed to utilize the arrival of protests. The facts made Lewis a bit more comfortable and rather than allowing Louis to back off against your comfort zone and not be a strong. He's actually used it in a way of getting more of Louis had that long winter chat entitles kitchen where they went through their relationship while they fought each other is lifted. Lewis to a new high. And I don't think we've seen Louis better than he is right now if we could put it down to one thing or is it simply a the fact that he seems to hold many skills. But I'm really interested to know if you have to pick one aspect of titleist pass or management style that puts him head and shoulders above the rest. What would that one element Bay is apply colleges? He knows perfectly out to approach the people in a different way and that is a very good quality especially run would have to to what a lot of people every people is different than Eat knows how to approach everything. The best where everybody in the best way and a the same time and other big quality. I think he's able to predict the future so he I think at the moment is the best team brings Because E is able to know before all the rest of the field what is GonNa Happen? This is not a very good quality. For increase to human psychology side. It comes to most of having significant intellectual. He's very very bright like any. He's never satisfied with anything. He's always trying to learn some more senior situations where he's drilling able for information about how they manage this situation. You know the people from op spend time with him. Brian for the event ones the boss of the cycling this one older Toda Francis and he was drilling in for information about how keeps the team on the bubble in always ready to go again so the next year? So the phones. So it's just that relentlessness I think is wall marks out any great in our sport whether you're a driver or MSCI mechanic aura. A Race Engineer. You have to always be seeking mall. They have to always be relented to see looking to improve yourself and everybody around you and I think that's that's that's what it is within. Yeah he says that same trait with Lewis. Hamilton is easy. Well it can happen when you on top you can get complacent Could back-off Jomo talking about this earlier. As well with Ross wig out with the team suddenly off to twenty sixteen Louis could have Perhaps but Louis stays on it. He keeps trying to get better chases as he describes it ghost 'cause when he's out on track and I think Taito is of a similar stock you know he's he's never satisfied even when they winning. He's always looking to improve looking to stay on top and cross the opposition. Is that relentlessness? James said stands in my car and it seems all winners up pretty pleased that they've been placed in the positions on our greatest f one team because once again. We have a message from the winner. Let's take it across to missed a tie wolf. Hi everybody trusted afford. I would like to say thank you to the Motorsport Network. Journalists that have participated in the voting and I must say very Hambo to have been elected the best team principal. When when? I'm looking at all those names Giant and particularly Frank Williams they role models for me shrinks Stamina Andrews. Zillions is incredible and I was able to blog and watch from him was at Williams at the end of the day. We old just figureheads for the team. Every single individual in the team deserves that credit. And this is why I would like to pass on this award. This prize to everybody within Macedo. Swiss had to make races and titles. I'm also very happy to see. Many of my teammates haven't been elected in the top three on medals and bundle to guys who Trends WITH RUSSIA. Very very strong bond as well as royals who have been the Johnny and and of course Lewis who has won the type based tribal as you know Lewis and I are very very close and seeing income out on top so we won the team principal. We've on the driver is great. So thank you very much and again you know the strength of the pack so this is a price for all of US federal budget. Thank you again for the. But I think it's safe to say that our team is in rather good hands and he completes our lineup so we now have paid Bonington. As Race Engineer Adrian newly as chief Designer Stefan Melancholy as sporting director Ross brawn as technical director Sustaining Moss as number two driver Lewis Hamilton. Taking the lead as on the one driver and of course we've talked it all off today with title Wolf as team principal. Good look stopping that lot. I think is safe to say but do you think you could put together a better team than our panel of Global F one experts. That is know your lineup in the comments. Thanks ever so much for joining us on this special series Lookout for more special series coming your way across the motorsport network channels at thank you for joining us. And we'll see next time. Thanks so much for back.

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Is Mercedes struggling or is it holding back?

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Is Mercedes struggling or is it holding back?

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See store for details and terms and conditions. Uh-huh. It's also podcast. Gary MDC joins view the I one preseason testing. An ask is Maceda struggling. It's three down five Formula one pre-season testing in bustle is continuing pace today Daniel cook yet, so it's horror also under with a woman seventeen point seven four seconds. That's using the softest out of the compound fall, even that deposed Kimmy ROY can L from he's the Saint taught at a woman, it's seventeen point seven six two seconds. But, but if you question marks raise people about what Mercedes are up to they were gunned down the bottom of the time. She's overlap signs. Exact always insisting don't mean that much, but it's been interesting to see that we haven't seen much pace from the Mercedes in a range of conditions. So we'll talk about that shortly. I'm your host George joining me as ever to the back of the Dave testing is Gary freshly returned from the circuits interesting day of testing, it's strange, isn't it. We've we've not really seen the big breakout story of testing of hats than Williams's struggles. Yes, it's a very sort of subdued test. I suppose you might call Michelle going on every doing. Not a lot of laps reliability on Georgia. The cars is very high especially the guys at the front. But, you know, go out and look and run the circuit and stuff that just new cars are really got problems. Yes. There's different grip levels between cars as you'd expect. For the big teams in the smaller teams, just budget resources to research stuff is just so much less. But none of them have the sort of things that we've seen over the last two or three years. We'd have you wash your understeer problem with really nervous rear end, or you know, ever sold. They're all they're all pretty good cars to be honest not. So that's good and bad on the quite sure where it takes us in the longer term because it will it should lead till about culture racing. But I'm not quite sure that we can raise closely yet. So let's save even the task is on your says five more days to go. So, you know, push comes to shove yet. Well, we spent a little bit song today watching tracks day everyday testing in it as you say most of the calls like look pretty, well salted already doesn't have any really seems to be said Sabina butter me. Why? Mike that bay. Clearly, we know teams looks a simulation work teams evermore professional evermore proficiency preparing for this. But are there other reasons why things might be quite easy to understand Papp's combat's lost because we all used to teams taking time to doll echoes in. Yeah. No, that's true. And you know, the thing about any any racing car. It's you only knew what you know. And there's there's things that you don't know. So the thing that you don't know usually what let you down. And you know, no matter how good details. Nobody knows one hundred percent which makes a racing car. Quick. You know, something like Mercedes, for example, for the probably no more than the smaller teams. But there's still a few things there that combat you and one of the things that have changed this year with the front wing regulations as if taken away a lot of the furniture that was on the wing all the pieces turning vans and vortex generations and stuff that were there basically to turn their flat at run the front tire on the mid the the wing wider, so neither Amplats level with the front tire. But they've tried to do that to help the racing. So that the the the wake coming off the leading car isn't as bad as as it was last year. And I think incidentally, by accident by taking all that stuff off the front wings. They've activated made the cars a lot better and one of these characteristics. Not a lot of people spend a huge amount of time on us as air Nommik steering characteristics. Nommik changes do steering. So if you imagine go down the street line that there a lot air fluids get washed board around the tire the minute. You get the corny turn the steering wheel. And the wheels chancer position on the also change their angle instead of have been a big flatbed rubber behind the front wing at an angle piece of rubber sites different. So that is a completely change the car completely. I mean going away by nineteen ninety eight when we built the the Jordan that them and Helen Ralf Schumacher. Drove. It, you know, everything in the one toll said, it was a Barrett card ninety seven car. But when we go to try it it wasn't a parrot car. It was still reasonably quick at times. But it wasn't nice to drive. It wasn't consistent to drive, and I write Miranda about an hour and decided to go and do some steering angle test. See what happens to their nominee? Nobody you know, we hadn't done very much of a toll before we done a little bit. But not very much. So basically, I have to think about what would what what would I want to happen whenever this this takes place and remember? You know, I thought of that should happen was the opposite. When are we try to own car tested, the carnal Intel? So we did some some paces new foot my emphasis and move to site Potter bet and chance to Bard which about barge boards. Abet lo and behold, Senator pressure shift went opposite direction and unattractive car was capable of unresolved. Joe just transformed the co clearly so I think an east bets on the front wing end plates was so much work going on to turn the Africa the tire that it wasn't really research properly because of those different steering angles. So some cars with have a decent package. But when you turn to the wheels some strange, but if you have a view if you lose from four front from dined forest when you turn the steering wheels. That next thing he goes turns during when about more, and then you lose more front Denver's on you turn human about more. So when we were seeing cars last couple of years that were you know, under steering dramatically through various corners. I'm pretty. Sure that was part of the reason because they had this problem that didn't know about because the can't spend the time researching the wind I because when tall Thomas have T C, F D analysis time is limited. So it's certain events. But I think like to help take away an unknown problem by Winston regulations on the front wing. Interesting. So you how that how that basil over oversleep quite a few test is yet to come. They won't be sold Melville in that we really see people battling angering qualifying fats evening mobile. The gaps tend to be expanded. Anyway. So Moby Bahrain a big field trip. So it's an interesting since yada interesting seal, some of the that seems say about that. We'll be the times obviously done caveat. Solve is happy hour Ron quite late on that the POS, ROY. And then he says Tom little bit earlier in the afternoon inevitably topping testing doesn't count for much of the toll road site doesn't look it looks fall from the best car outlet. But I guess at least they they show they can do this. I'm going to the the seventeenth. And that like validates the fact that we're going to see much much quicker times. We would if the best cars would go into something approaching qualifying trim. Yeah. One of the things to make sure as you know for protein electoral so small team in there and that Medfield bunch. They they need to make sure that you get the best what go so. But having a real, you know. Qualifying roller such a fairly new field room. At least short learning about the car. And one of the things about tires and stuff new tires or softer component are normally brings more understand the car. So if you've, you know, if you've got over understeer and the Carney softer, and you just get more of it. If you got a little bit for Lewis rear ends, but nervous whoever and you put softer Tyron affects it. So you got to learn new things. And as I say, the only thing that toros can try to do is the best job they can do within there's circumstances. And so by them the smaller teams having ago, it's not the role thing 'cause they're preparing themselves for the opportunity if it does rise in Melbourne to to do something good while some of the the big teams that don't want to show their true hund- sort of might not bolder and go to Melbourne and finding appropriate of self tiresome. Let's okay. If if big same should we got to the other end of the time chase today? Well, I had George Russell. And William civil talk about in felts revolts us eleventh and Louis Amilton its wealth woman at twenty point six nine three process woman at twenty point eight one eight the Falstaff for Hamilton. I was using compounds. Raise those middle compounds. We know Mercedes and not lost. So. The question is people are starting site will obviously he's in trouble. We've not seen a great deal from them and kind of any pace configuration. So it's a little bit off the pattern. We're saying from from what we'll do you make it? Well, it's it's interesting in a way that they've not shown rarely competitive noth- times, you know, the the difference in the time for them the ultimate time that they've done against what Ferrari of done ends up being about fifty kilograms of fuel difference. And I can't see that Mercedes Ronan fifty kilograms of fuel more than Ferrari because the casually hold one hundred ten so that seems wrong. But also then looking today at the Veltri bought acetate Ariss room just before lunchtime. And I thought every lap of that. And if you compare it to what the Rhys. Ristorante last year that the grand prix in may of last year from more or less Lewis Hamilton's lap times. He was you know, a good second and more slower per lap. So it wasn't you know, it wasn't a very good rish room. And now, you know, you know, whenever they're doing that sixty six Laos at their starting one hundred million ten kilograms of fueling the car and the Finnish Minassian so through that rich from us. You see performance on the society thing we can compare it to a I can do a theoretical one to see what the the drop off as an tires go, and I can compare it to risk that we knew last year, I'm basically on booster those things is is a a second lap slower. The my theoretical on his nearly two seconds. A lot slower than last year. So. Perhaps old note that Rosie you pronounce his mortar go, I would we don't know where the got the engine turn down to. But it's a new engine of their that dine to do those runs. Now, they're not put themselves to the point of of understanding where they can turn up to when they get to Melbourne. So dunno we'll have to wait and see in maybe two more on do sixteens. And I hope they do because we want them to be competitive as I hope for our idea as well. But all the numbers, I've got at the moment. Don't put Mercedes ahead of what Ferraris do anything. We don't know the field load except for journal racial whenever we do starts off with a lot fuel ends up. Fred other. I'ma Salvi obvious expecting to say a little bit more from from assays seven cents. A Pete lap time but Pacific as long runs was concerned. So it'll be interesting say how they get on there not going to be two seconds off. But at the moment if he would say, how's it going to shake out? I being on cyberfraud maybe is. It's so early on. So we can't joining definitive conclusions from that. But maybe there's maybe they have run into something one of those unknowns, you mentioned with the change of the change of Eric's, perhaps that's just exposed something. Perhaps there hulk is because they told us about it being an volition of the concept. James Allison, did they've lost a lot of the control in the front wing. And we'll as full what bits of furniture of disappeared. So perhaps it's not usual thing thing always compare it. He was when the drive rates were banned in ninety four Williams had a car that was conceived around Britain, active Royd system, and it didn't work. So well, initially when they took it away because they go down this route that's dependent on one bit of technology this thing, and they had to come to take a few steps back to to get back to where they should have been. Yeah. I mean, it's always difficult number some changes because do you have to change your philosophy or do? You just have to build it round. Your philosophy of highlight? The areas are changing and try and do some within the one thing. I would say about. The Mercedes is that they don't run the the high rakes like oleo the cars they read Bill I start that as a high ride height low front, right height. So that basically at low speed the front wings closer to the grind. And also the beyond the floor of the car. Concreted more dined force because the whole car works is about evidence user expanding airflow the important thing with a high rate car is stopped their flow from spelling under the floor done the sides. The other teams have all gone at various degrees over the last couple of years to hire eight cars to today whenever we try looking at them. You can see them this. You know, the the red bulls are very high, but they run probably the rea- suspension of it softer because and the FOSS corners there about flatter other about flat or down that say the fortune of the racing point which has in the pit lane has not got quite as much Rick. But in the fast corners, take got. More egg. So that that poets to me on the rear the carpet stiffer, so Sola balance of that. But Mercedes have not visited the higher ache car situation at all and perhaps with these regulations on either a car works. You know that that's a rich have to take. But I think we have to give it more time before we we say that couldn't be battling with the then the back of failed. I don't think that's gonna quite often rose Lewis hamlet will be off to do something different of a thing. Yeah. Hundred percent that Mueller's Tokyo for always performance said I signed that a very very strong. I think for me it's a question of all they giving away a bit of tons of Rory rather than are they in a in a in a huge help is gonna be interesting to to follow. How that sir Alexander? What was interesting watching them on those what your race runs in the afternoon. The conservative approach the inserts and three here's out in the Hamilton. The offering wasn't it. The conservative approach into turns three and also ten nine cancer right hander where the car was. Just just really just ready slowed down and an so rolling into the corner. Which was unusually even for a rice one? If you try to pretend it's all. So that's something that just makes me wonder if that that's to something in the way, they're approaching. It means lots on themselves on on anything. Ramon. Will they'll time lap times? I got while Hamilton mature and has run after noon, it wasn't that far apart from bought us missile stint was a little bit quicker initially. But then went a bit slower later on. So he knows about abusing the tires little but too too early on. But yeah, the grip level that deteriorate and on the other confidence in a car to deteriorate at didn't jump tap oversteer begun this teach something about less grip. So you know, met corner that we just couldn't carry that speed. So the off throat a lot more with these engines the way, they are you you hear that fairly blatantly. You know, turn is a tepid example and turn three topics of two quarters where basically turn three year rive and drive. You just keep it flat whenever everything's good. And you. Fresh tires on on a medium fuel load and camp. So you come up there any change gear and turn right? But you know, that's not happening whenever with a Mercedes on high fuel load or even got to the mental field on the second stint of the race stell. Who are you know, they're having to the very weird of the throw, and they just couldn't keep it nail through there. So. Give them more time. Let's see. I'm sure the bottle Royd will come up soon. But Vattel, you know, he's done. He's run today such house clerk tomorrow. So what vows done this week in the two days is done. He's not there's no. So they're going to do another away around with freyre either. So. Yeah. It's it's it's so unknown as more than I've ever known it. It's us friends. That's who has no one wrote don't Rumsfeld, isn't it? Nine hundred fifteen we're talking about with Tujia about joins things in the car. Well, mentioning for we talked about them if I Bill previous podcast, I've only go into them and my step up. It did strike mimea. Watching Bethel is one to the first right hand when Tun indecisively when when that was on the just rail imitation of the removing just this beautiful gift drifted didn't scub- of any speed. Just look really lovely doesn't it? Yeah. I mean, again, it's the same thing. If you go if aired nominally confidence in the car, you should always be driving it to the limit of words moving where it's just just sliding in the cars always sliding because of the the grip tires called. Yo. So the cars always about benign and everything is sliding all the time. But then you go above that. And you know, the car you visibly, then you can see the car moving, and it's it's clanton because the Ferrari. You know, I it just seemed to go there and stay there. It wasn't. It wasn't difficult to to recognize it. And you know, so a lot of times Dr will say it's much nicer to drive in the wet because you slide the car slides a look and more in the wet. So you, you know, the limit of the car earlier in the dry. I mean on new tires and stuff it's pretty damn difficult to get yourself up to that level. Someone Lewis Hamilton above the good guys are just very good at you know, gonna into a qualifying lap when a brand new set tires. So the Ferrari looked very very at home, a very very very very good car, given the feedback to the driver. So we could take it to the limit and unusual time. And yeah, that's something. You need you need that feedback from the chassis. We'll set you right now if you're having to put money on who'd win in Australia, you put money on for all you wouldn't keep up. It's still very very early days. So let's say say Mercedes come from. We're gonna talk about many other topics in a minute, including Williams, and we'll be back after this. This is a maze. Yep. But you know, what else is amazing an iphone six s for just forty nine bucks. At metro really imagine streaming all the way down with that amazing camera. I've switching that smart. You know, what else is smart parachutes? Switched to metro and get an amazing iphone six s for only forty nine bucks metro by T mobile. Phone offer requires porting of number not currently active on T mobile network are active on metro and pass ninety days. See store for details and terms and conditions. Look, our as we said, lots of other topics to talk about big ones that I was Williams. The after we forty two that we've been waiting for for several days finally rolled out for the first time came pastas it watching down at turn one at the start of the often disappeared for maybe ninety minutes came back out at twenty three laps in the end. Over the course of the day did a woman at twenty five point sixty five seven point nine seconds off the pace. But let's not worry about the loud time. It's been a real battle that the car left grove in the UK overnight charter plane in hair. So they've done a good job to scramble together car up and running what we impressions of the car. Well, impression was technically. There's quite a few nice things on it. But just just going back to what we did. And those twenty three laps twenty five something. If I was part of the team there. I would have been very happy, I suppose if he got unto twenty two or twenty one summer diner, and then because looking at the other teams when they came out the beginning of the week that Cicero area that dropped unto reasonably quickly. That's where you find that you need to start getting the car to worker on your little bit as opposed to just driving and was a was a car. It has a short flu rid. And then there was a wants to do a lap time because you have to give his head. You have to do it self. You can't you can't hold it by yourself as you can go slower. But if you drive and flow worth the car, it'll get L it allowed time. I think that for the time, you know. Know lobster done that was just a little bit slow that I would have felt happy with. However, we do hear that there's some snow on the car best messing yet. And they're just trying to get them. Not purveyors Nommik gizmos here net need to go onto. Anyway, they're up and running those stop abusing supposing that them Gilman their job. They just got to bite the bulletin sater's different five days testing and do the best account. The car's health. Quite the the front wing is a sort of and between concept with Ferrari to Mercedes, which has got this twist the fried twist flat coat that drops down to near the plant and the Mercedes doesn't. So there's a few cars like the racing point and hasre sort of them between those two and Williams fours the same trend. So it's is neither neither orbiters. It's okay. As we've seen from the Mercedes under the Ferrari one at the moment. Nothing's right. It's just different. But at the one thing that stands out to me. So quite. Innovative. And in my opinion, a good a good way to go was the front suspension and the geometry the front suspension over the last years. These these cars out with suspension geometry wishbones that go from the upright assembly to the I'm basically raise up as it goes up to the so it means that whenever the car rules or you're running at high speed your IT losing negative camber. And if you had an ideal suspension geometry want again negative camber was the we lost tilt them at the top. So most of these teams I run the maximum cabinet Pirelli ally started playing the garbage because high-speed they need that camber to get the tar support. Not means that you've got a lot Hambro whenever you're breaking this little corners. So you got risk of floss burn tires. Also means you just don't get tired support and the fast corners because you're going over the outside wall of the tire. And you'll see quite often, you know on the inside tire when it'd be long corn like turn three which is right under on the right hand front tire. You see the inside shoulder will pick up a rubber. And that's you'll get blisters because it's just trailing that attire crossroad. So the geometry they've got the wishbone locations that they've got are much more to a normal suspension geometry, so they will just negative camber as the car goes to higher speed. And as the car, which is what the tire wants to do when you're loading up. So I think that's quite a good way to go there. The only team that's gone as far as that criticized a lot because their last year's car was the worst in the Pentland as far as. The opposite direction. So they've always had a change of change of thought. Hopefully, I'll be pretty happy. If it goes the right direction for them. And again, you look at things like look at their Mercedes Ferrari, you know, they're the they're the guys aren't as extreme it. I think to me night starting to point a little bit to the ones that aren't as extreme on the front suspension. Have better cars and not Benyamin saying, that's only only problem. But as you know, it has something that's tending that people coming back to being more sympathetic the tire with his suspension, geometry, then just saying it doesn't matter. We'll pilot dine fortune the car. The rest of the car. It's a sort of early to say we haven't seen the barge board areas in the diffuser area up from up close because the pictures don't do them Justice because they're all black. You can't see any. So when you see into war on the pet lemon ever going on pets a little bit more often than the way today on the real judgment. But as I say I'd like to see him faster, but at least dropping running and need to get a try and get a day's work unto Mora, but if not unto the twenty s tomorrow thing by before lunchtime. I mean twenty zero at sort of time, I think I think hang on this. This is going to be allowed to have an uphill battle. Yes, I'd say having a very very tough time as they will be hoping to get some guessing good margins. Good pace, showing Samora. I want us to have done. Ricardo steadfast is in the run. A woman at eighteen point one six four seconds on the compound full the red. I started diving they. Mug in the car with the news off yesterday's problem. And then they are as was allowed to be used in in the afternoon system is weeks working. And so I run is starting to show some some good place. So Haas having a few more problems again, we see goodness Chinese needs to fix some of these gremlins. I've been having some electrical problems in that how much does I get in the way and testing because they've had quite a few stops. Yeah. Another one light today. Yeah. They're they're, you know, they take the prize for the move Stopes on track with different problems. And it's always difficult thing whenever it's a different problem because I think the last one today was a hydraulic problem. But it's it's it's the thing that can let them know because I think the car looks very solid. Very good. Very good stance. Another was near turning into the corner. This gut grip spray stable looks like the drivers can commit to very very well. So then effects us problems because there's the things that happened in an arrest. And it's only in the Ritchie at point. So the first thing you got to do is do those risk distances and say we saw. Today that Mercedes the tourist essences was only Louis how the felt reporters. Other teams have done wrists stents, but they have not done sixty six lakhs Bish bash boys done. So they have to start do that an half have to start and do that as well. Going back to the to the renovating and near the D R s just to sort of explain the way lot with teams worth you know, the the the D R s you can use in qualifying. In the race. You want to use it when you get within the second mccown from USA what you'll see is most teams that run risk distance. Don't bother with the D R S or moves teams are run for race type characteristic testing one bowl of the D R S. 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F1 Testing Day 5: Mercedes brings an upgrade

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F1 Testing Day 5: Mercedes brings an upgrade

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The one preseason testing is post the hallway we've had the first day of the second and final full day test boss, Selena so just three days of running before jet off to a strata for the first round of the world championship on your host. Joining me from palatial villa? Not far outside circuit cats. Linnea? We've got we've even go small swimming pool. What doesn't also little Mary's very very very very nicer enjoying the amenities. I is Thomas, and that's all move. You've had a stressful day manning also life country, which is a challenging job. So you able to construct sentences still or you just passing just about. Yes. More next at one angle looking up at timing screens and is square. But otherwise. Yeah. Can senses. Excellent. You may hear the interruption of other guests on this. We've got you might be able to in the background Jake box leg technical editor is in the kitchen, preparing some kind of Dennis analyzing dinner, actually analyzing dinner. Yes. So it's a good call speech needs to be starting with a packet of something going on there. But we'll we'll find out after. But my real second guest is Ben understand, subbing, infidelity Anderson. Yes, not my dad. We can't confirm your regularly accused of that. We we sometimes refer to each other as father and son. Sweet. Yeah. Just to confuse things further. Excellent. We've we've made that clear to all. All. Excellent. He shouldn't be shouldn't be saying. Hello relatives. On the on the go. All right. So. Today. Joyce sealed spook podcast deal. Taste Paula choices. This is very promising testing. So we're we're struggling let's let's have a look as Jake box leg sizzles away in the background analyzing the flow of the cooking devices. He just cannot be stopped. Fuss Londonorce McLaren seventeen point seven nine seconds. So that's that's McLaren obviously credible scenes realistically. Obviously, it was a it was a lowest fuel run on the safe all the second softest, compound, Ben. So McLaren was still Jerry's out but not overly optimistic about. It looks a bit similar to the first part of the first test. I think was second-fastest wasn't. He on was second the first and second. The second big money men around you want good in front of the people. That matter also mccown had a tough day today to red flags didn't do a lot of running. The bottom of the time sheet before going out late for those performance runs on the softest compound. So important work to do you need to do performance runs understand where your car is. But it was so helps morale if you're not finishing the day the time when you're not necessarily fully confident of your package in that you've got full understanding of what's underneath -i. I didn't get to see them Clarin on track track trackside for an hour in the afternoon. Timeout trackside was cut short before Norris did his run. So I wasn't able to see how the car is behaving. But you'd imagine that noise at the top of the times is not assign them accountable to win the world championship. And they're always perfect now in Woking those out the end McLaren in the first test and look overly convincing on tracks. And we don't have an inch to see if they've got the rear end a little bit more salute. And predicts the drivers can Tak not. So what was the real story of the day? London was a nice little headline at the end. But there was plenty going on with with red bull second-fastest we saw some of the big guns going at it. As a lot of teams that maybe had some questions from the first Stein and some a little bit. So we'll see in the midfield. A lot of that was Reynaud didn't really get chance to put together long runs and right from the start. They were on the see three the sea to concert on the long runs has for the same image to seem to lose these electrical gremlins we're talking about. And the case it Williams every mile is obviously huge for them. And they're able to go. Over one hundred lots of teams, we're starting to get down to the questions during the case it Williams playing catch up, and they'll probably the biggest stories there is you could see teams now starting to focus on the hadn't got that data for and to really drill down into and understand their cars exactly won't say George Russell in the Williams that a woman in on-scene point six two hundred nineteen lab so decent volumes amid seeing a little bit more performance. Still. Nothing's jordan. We still kind of the back. But this there's progress progress being made how about what redbird only saw red bull and for all he wasn't doing some longer runs together. Yeah. I mean, the red bull quite strange ways that we don't think we sold them on anything other than the three. It was obviously a bit. Yeah. A bit like over we seen Mercedes runner, the medium compound the past because it's the one that knows very reliable. You know, what you're getting from it? And you do running on it. That's what rebel with doing. And so in the morning, they did a few what form trunks very, very quick. But okay. A lot to say didn't get. To do. One Ferrari fella focusing on long runs. It's quite hard to say where they stack up on that front, but in the case of red boob ticket from one hundred active is whether to log a lot of miles look competitive ritually can really ask for this point in Benue briefly said, let's cushion Haldeman show things going well so far. Yeah. Like, a happy man, quite relaxed. I think this is me said last week did neither this is red bull's best preseason ever. They quietly confident quite happy with how things go in. I think those lap times ghastly did in the red bull and the click slash vetted in the froyo with the most Representative times of the day that see three tar is the one that probably best approximates what you would use around Barcelona for the race. And they were. Close cool between froyo Ropel watching tracks in the afternoon. It was clear that it was on long runs. Mainly the Freulet heavy not turning in particularly well to the fast left-hander turned seven the S's. Both the furry and red Bullock, so planted mid corner and picking up the throttle more than any other car out in the track. Those those two gate the driver the most confidence that they could really do whatever they wanted with it and not get themselves into trouble. Unlike Daniel Ricardo who in the runner, he looked quite solid for the most part. But when he when he just got that little bit too close to the edge big snap of overstay in that car. So if ROY and red bull very impressive big questions of we don't know fuel loads, and how close the red bull truly is the fry but light for like home ties you'd have to say there couple of tents at the end of day. Five of aid is quite encouraging ripple hundred close to them. We were certainly sure that rebelled probably was at least level it was last year. But there's a hint maybe a little bit stronger to coaching inch to the point you made about the run-up watching in last week's times through turns one three particularly through two and then three. Which is a struggle for recorded carry the speed through two and get the car young across the track for the entry to the right hander. And then whether you saw that when you that just having not saying just whether he's just not having the same level grip. Easiest responsiveness sheet is quite good on-track burp. But it's not quite red bull. No is very good on the three compound, and especially new ties it, but as as the today was going off it looked like more of a handful. We didn't look confident on the on the white wall tired. I don't know if he was on the one two is hard to see him from trackside. But we haven't seen much on the one San Carlos to bit more Larry on the let's call it the medium tie respectively. Very similar to the house. And we know that the house from last season was very benign car. Probably the best balanced car in the midfield group and the Reynaud look very similar to that maybe slightly less compliant over the bumps. But if you consider the has probably carried across that benign handing trait from last year, which he'd want to do because that must've been spied massive confidence in the driver's Reynaud to put close to except for when Ricardo's exploring the very outer limits of the curves. That's a that's a good step from from that team some Spanish dogs outside trying to interrupt. You there? Kosher, maybe maybe. Collided with outta Matic, normal nickname, Patty MO. It's the first time we've had we had disagreed with Scott Mitchell. So during Ben the dogs disagree with when they meet say that don't they agree. I don't think they disagreed me as vehemently as the horse that disagreed with Scott Mitchell have a mild screaming the constructive debate. Evidently, but it's interesting the point you make about the midfield because watching early on last week, the has started off exactly as you described that so benign quite well handling car, and he's kind of maintain that. Whereas the run started off didn't quite so convincing the interesting thing with Iran run. Oh, is it just seems to day on day on day on day more impressive? Let's get change. They changed a lot on that car. Didn't know you did an interview with nothing, but Caskey, and he said that they kind of gone through the whole cast strict right back to update base in refined bits that you wouldn't normally think about when you're just talking about adding performance month-on-month year on year. So. Probably quite of understanding needed of essentially, a completely new car, the first est- now, it seems like they're probably getting to grips with a bit more heading into it. Looks like a decent back is not something that's going to leak from the massively out of the midfield into the greet with top three hour in thought. I'd imagine. If progress continues in a good way or on a good curve. They will start the season at the front of the midfield rather than trying to work their way to the point where the four fastest team by the end, which would be a good step ahead of the long run pace in the midfield. Humber she with that question. Yes. Crime Bush and the house in my son was very very consistent very much able to keep the car in consistent rain again that benign into he knows we've got from the overtime where the tide relation fuel load that into very consistent, very combined car, the Renner probably just behind that. The Thermo is a little bit harder to get a read on. That's and same with Tara Rossa. They didn't quite look to have quite a lovely consisting. Tim's of pace across stint interesting because both of those two cars, we were talking about won't we been sunny. The alpha looks tiny bit more floaty carries the speed. Yeah. Just look at the same of the Torah. So it doesn't quite as planet. What the other midfield, Royal? So that we were wondering if that would translate into little bit more little mobile, very early sign is not looks the case that say seat when you've got some benchmark invented doing that fuel load run the mentioned for was great example of what the absolute top level. You can do is. And he was very you could see his very gradually dropping off as you'd expect also having midfield there. You had that little bit of benchmark to kind of person compare and certainly the hassle particularly good on that renovate close. Yeah. A little bit got before you got to the the and the Tara, sir. What you say tallies with more ups faces trackside the alpha looked fast ferry responsive on turn in the trade seem to be that was quite Larry the rear mid corner exit. And if a bump seem require the driver to react to it. So if you if you got your wits about you, you're fine. But quite tricky Carter to dry, even if quite rewarding one on the way into corners, the torso just. Okay. But it just like it lacked grip around compared to the red bull. So an also perhaps of an exile. And being inexperienced driving the trusting the limits of the car think he said he still working up to the limit at high speed. And it looked that way. He just didn't seem to have the same confidence to stick the car in and plant throttling. The way here gas was doing lap after how about racing point lawn. Stroll was third forces today, we have not seen we've talked about an enormous amount and not the most running of all of them. But with a the gun is one of these seasons where that seem which was force. India is going in with a slightly undercooked car and began billions developing through the season, which only do. Well. So what what do we make of that? We we putting them into that midfield for because it looks really in that midfield. Now, I know that the lat time from stroll towards the end they looked a little bit like Norris desk. Low fuel was to be honest. I don't think it's that fast. But watching it handing it looks quite similar to the alpha actually, quite quick good on the way in and again just little bit Larry on the way out and perhaps not the easiest carts drive up that team as you say quite good at developing the car this season with the extra investment, they should be able to develop more quickly and more consistently. So I mentioned there feel quite relaxed heading to mobile knowing they've got bits in the pipeline that they'll be able to pay for build and on the car other than sitting there with laser development on constructed in the factory. Yeah. I mean sure to sense nothing headline grabbing, but no problems Ivor for car that undebated exactly. A problem is really. It's very encouraging for that midfield battle because we saw tight last year. There have been some suggestions as even tighter this year. So we've got this group of racing point out for my Otaru, also Haas run. Oh, it was the front the that there in that. And then you've got McLaren who. A gun in that group. They're not necessarily the fronts of it. But it is quite compressed in that part. Then you got Williams who we still haven't seen evidence. They've latched onto that pack, but that's the really tough one to call over Williams. We have to remember there's an officer in what in what they're doing as well. So they catching up massive didn't notice George Russell did quite a few laps while I was watching trackside him for what he was running ahead of the Ferrari in the Reynaud and keeping stretching away and I figured that's something he'll be able to get east too much as the season progresses. How did the Williams? Look or them gets it today on watching it lost Hearst on the last day. You watch the news media is doing everything it should do. It wasn't. It was like a one car sort of working well, but not really being pushed on so I think some of the underline characteristics in that car and the limitations weren't visible. I'm sure the drivers stunts film. But from the outside, they were you couldn't really see it coming alive, shall we say, you know, the impression I got from watching Russell is that he was driving within. Himself. So the car looked absolutely fine. But I think that was because he was holding back it. He looked like driver to me didn't fully trust. What was underneath him? And therefore he wasn't prepared to go. And find those limits that say Ricardo was doing having massive Larry moments in catching them where needed. He was concerned that if he lent on that Khartoum Archie was going to bite him massively. So he was say leaving a bigger margin for error than some of the other drivers. So Williams looks good because he's not pushing the envelope. Yeah. I don't think and that's probably a product of his own experience. But also just the lack of running Williams have had their as you say massively behind in terms of their own program. So you can't afford to to run before you can walk to add to that really today was almost like at first full day testing program. And certainly do. I Russell spoke afterwards women we're looking at live and thinking that the C four C five times, the softer compound really weren't that impressive at all. And then Russell said afterwards that the they hadn't. Understood those ties actually makes sense when it just got this car they're gonna ruin the harder compound kind of base-level being able to then push on and do those faster laps. That's quite a big ask on effectively a real first day. So to judge them on that source sense. You're gonna have to look towards the end of the week. Really, it is worrying, isn't it? Because you just don't know when you start leaning on the car, it's quite easy to if you're if there's an instability that kind of thing we saw Williams a tremendous roads Tbilisi here lost watching a cancer when such he who's having a big lift corner. Yeah. So you could hear it. That's interesting to me, whether those qualities that were in the previous car, whether they've been carried over Belarus seen a little bit with with McLaren, shall we say? So that's essentially, I don't want to be careful about Jesse mccown and Williams in the same situation not because currently McLaren with midfield Williams's canyon little lion. Fish such talent group, isn't it? So many of these teams now respectable and maybe even a bit better than respectable. There's no where to hide and if you're a team that's problems carried over from the before or your behind massively just with your own program. It's can be very difficult to not get cut adrift from that great when they're all functioning. So well fascinating battles to watch. Because I would say Reynaud needs to be winning that midfield battling needs to season goes on moving out in clearly into no man's land and showing its. Top three. Yeah. But then again, there's so many teams he can make a good case for even if you just set aside what we've seen. We know Renos got the investment racing point when he gets stronger because spending spending money Toro ever toys with red bull pulsa parts being used out for a mayo with. This investment more money there with the alpha change their capitalizing on the partnership with for this all these teams that have all these things going, and actually you can say go make an argument for all of them saying well, actually run over be as before racing point should be able to be Alpher chip. And you think minute some of these going to be fifth sixth seventh eighth ninth. So. Eighties at the moment. Where were they? Well, the team we've conspicuously avoided so far the big story of the first test was Mercedes not being in the in the best shape. We've got big trade. It's it's worthwhile talking about because it's it's been a. An important test for them. We talked before about how tackling some of the perceived performance. There was missing was important. And sure enough we saw the car come out with some significant changes just reading there's a new front wing and plates, which are. Outrushing rather than in Washington's I were four hundred sound hand. Gesture there for me for those scrape the video version audio formula, I'll do the next music as listeners. Explain the other upgrades informed of dollars. All the new Bill to sit. So the rest of you can imagine it. So there's there's a lotta tweet Bill cuts away on that on that and play as well and on the floor yet tweak to the cone, basically, Joe Piola technical experts. I said he could see twelve obviously visual differences. They change a lot the surfaces as loads of invisible things huge number of parts of enthroning that car. This is a this is a big package of stuff bigger. The normally say test ones test to so what what do you make of it? Ben. Thinking yet Mercedes making good progress. I'm a bit underwhelmed by Mercedes. So far in testing at least slightly confused because we got so used to this relentless machine turning out brilliant Karfa launch test one hitting the track. I two days couple of long proper long race runs yet. Let's in the bag. Couple of performance runs on days in four looking good probably fastest and then test to yet boat on a loaded development. Get ready for Melbourne, and they just set themselves head of the rest who are usually finding their feet on week one not quite fully understanding. And then maybe starting to kind of get on towns with normal program by week to seems to be happening in reverse from his eighties week one the hit the track things don't really go quite according to plan that smoothie they're concerned about the handing the car, and they need the upgrade. It's not just oversee we. One graze all the top teams upgrading time factory saying we need it to solve problems because we've got a car the only works in some corners and others. That's the sort of problem that midfield teams Reynaud Toronto been having since the twenty seventeen rules were introduced not something expect from Mercedes. And now we get this update package. We've got a little bit over-excited on our what's video indicating might be reaction to week one of the have some setup lessons, and what have you from one employee, but these items were were baked team long ago in the design office January probably as James Allison said at the end of the day, this is their Melbourne bodywork. So they oversee planned pretty much in line with previous preseason to come out strong with their rates one package in test to and try to understand it. But then they've had a tough day engine change lack of running for Batas nothing particularly spectacular on the longer runs. No short runs. Allison is saying we need. More time to understand the kite behaves differently to the week one car. So it's not carrying across a baseline and just building on it. I don't think they really know where they are all necessary. Absolutely. What they car is doing and they've only got three days ago. And normally we're talking about Mercedes this point being streets. Head in terms of latte, count, understanding everything. So. Careful not to call it a crisis. But it doesn't look like the usual Mercedes preseason to me. Yeah. It's definitely in comparison to previous years. I think the encouraging things that have trouble in the first test in the fact that they've come with such a big package where say for Ari era wise setting day one is pretty similar. I think con suppose the idea they've taking a staff, I think with Mercedes. It's not a question of all they in crisis. Is it all over the place? It's for always done a good job. Everything seems to be working really well ticking boxes, they really happy and the Mercedes slightly more uncertain new bits on the car. They said that the engine problem prevented them doing it about toback comparison thing when both us went out and had the engine failure heat out. She switched to the old front wing of these comparison. The in washing. Who concepts that they've they're trying basically? And they they not sure which one to go and it's week one toss away bow shells. It's merited to back to back as well. Of course. Yeah. Troy it. So I think the impression they feel are the wash approaches is better. But I think what we can say is yet Mercedes is a bit behind his own standards. Yeah. That's fair. I think say dis TOTO Wolff said yet I has behind. I think they've taken probably provided. It works receiving it works, and we have to give a photons world champion benefit the Dow in that they're very very good. They know what they're doing. So they're going to be third listed absolute worse. Yes. So that they're going to be a few tenths off. But yeah, be interesting to see the coming days after noon seven laps only managed when did it. Go on his out lap. The. Yeah. Yes. The loss of pressure. I saw he told me you about the way with some I want you have to look at me thinking will you shut up. No doubt. Not sure. But I think there is understood when you've been on the listeners that goes. Yeah. You. Yeah. I did wonder how different we'd look back at the day if associated she go invalidate concert and run though significant laps and get to it could be a platform. That's quite big to defining the approach. They take the fat. They've lost that time. That's more time loss that sets tomorrow back and so on and so on. Yeah. It's very very true. It's it's compound compound gains isn't even unreliability is an unusual thing preseason, you know, having an engine change that something you don't say sate with him in the hybrid era. So just just seems like maybe it's just a conference of circumstances. It just seems like things are not quite going to plan or a smoothie is that team usually would expect and a lot of their advantage in this recent air has been built on the solid foundation of brilliant preseason, and they set the standard so high as well anytime they slip slightly under those it's going to be no so much more. So than say a Ferrari in recent years, nothing's one of those things that always been getting stronger, the past few years Mercedes is the benchmark and we were expecting the season to be a tougher fight between the two it's tough at the top. We shouldn't. We shouldn't be surprised. They both said saying, hi son is has been say these ask hasn't it? In terms delights. It's hit the ground running. This has to be there smooth is start has for a long while very very. I mean in fairness the Ferrari has the last few years pretty good. And just the way it works out of the box. I remember last year they went to high Reich that was there were things that they were trying to master the turn in wasn't working quite well because they were working on the the platform control. All these things that you need if you running high Reich, you've got more show the back. It's not an easy thing to to switch to reliability problems. Previous got handle older face. They've hit the ground as you say Mercedes esque ready to go with a really strong cost big test courses when they do start to develop. That's why they they ran aground last season. Introducing things that didn't work. So that's the big test for them. It's still to come isn't it? And we also don't know how the engine comparison goes made some changes with the engine that trying to push the ceiling up for what they can what they can do. We know that Ferrari excellent last year will keep pushing. And then there's this question of where Honduras were runaways because homeless. Qualifying mode. It can use really pushing. So we should see engine performance converging. We expect that hopefully places more emphasis on what Merck can do that chassis and its aero. I guess exactly. So those you'll to performance areas on this. It's loud. Bench and his men us by most of your paces provided across you can put that power down that downfalls down sensibly with mechanical puzzle that we send need to see more from this as I think over the next three days. When just never used to saying that we normally at this point. It's stayed these miles ahead. We're coming up today. Six and we really have no idea and it's good as well. Because it's great to see these teams challenged Mercedes very very good same. We wanna see at the front position really mind wins. We just want to say an interesting. Yeah, he's an interesting battle, and hopefully the end of it. It's one of the last one of the last lap. Good stories wins. Yeah. Deal but Mercedes being tested by. Maybe playing at the grave catcher will be actually very interesting for the story. Then he goes whole question of new situation. What difference can Lewis Hamilton can start doing more races like Monza last year where he started behind but change the race. And they'll make really could see. But yeah, I think they'll be some w some heads being scratched Mercedes loss of data being gone over the learn despite the loss of running today, they will have learned a lot. And that they seem to recommend on the stand everything on the first test for the women's maybe they did maybe they didn't. But it doesn't. It's that difference isn't as between his it is a crisis. No is a little bit of concern. Well, if you got if you're not in front, of course, it's a concern, especially when you consider how strong Ferrari licks the first five days of testing and watching the car tracks just looked so so easy to drive, but so rewarding for for the drivers. So compliant is exactly the same. The I remember watching it. In the last sequence just attraction of the corner foolish kind the right under ten twelve. Remember, the number of the right hand just have a quick squad on the power puts of ham beautifully. Just takes the cubs. They're not the same impression. I had. This is Carter the bumps slightly not there. And no, no, other possibly exception of the red bull. Looks like that say it's fantastic benchmark to have. Yeah. So I don't think we still we still think Ferrario for looking very very strong. With every day of testing against more serious, doesn't it because we're gonna see more and more long runs tomorrow. We'll start to see more performance runs cropping up and just feel like games. But ultimately, you have to get some idea 'cause at econ head to Melbourne blind. Ultimately, people talk about glory runs in that kind of thing. But sometimes it it is worth knowing what the car can do and you want sir has Gary Anderson away says you wanna get the feel for what the cause light when you in qualifying trim on life you'll and give the drive as a bit of a taste of it. So they know what to expect. So all of these things it's not testings not just why find sandbagging evident. Troubling phrase because. Yeah, nobody wants to show everything they've got this nothing gained testings not just exclusively a game of droning around joining around not showing before you do they will analyze everything they've got all sorts of data and waster examine what each other doing? So they have they have a pretty good idea. So we shouldn't we shouldn't think that nobody's going quickly. Yeah. And if I go and quickly that doing it to train people definitely, but yeah. So next three days going to be going to be fascinating. Thanks, Tom Arrington, and Ben Anderson I'll EV to prepare to enjoy the feast that Jake boxer legs hopefully, produced in very quiet out wash pastor in wash pastor of that question. I hope he's back to back it. Yeah. Well, important if one's failed. It depends on what type of Pepsi's gone through the various types of pastor through safety. I spaghetti. Maybe he's Custer. Does that work? Yeah. Putting vortex generators in the transition of drawn diagrams to exotic. Yeah. And then we'll get such sketch it. Yep. Brilliant full process him job done. That's that's how we wrote. We'll check out all Thais built dot com. Loads of news from the from the test. Thou live coverage will kick back into life tomorrow with Tom Aaronson, and his colleague Jack cousins will be we'll be working on that. 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