18 Burst results for "Jamarcus Russell"
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on WLS-AM 890
"Congressman and I think you're tactics were efficient You guys knew when to take the win You got what you got you got it and you moved on The other side I get it's time to move on and everything but I'm not sure they really understood that I mean we had people on our side of the aisle throwing these nasty terms at terrorists enemies I mean that's absurd You're not convincing anyone But explain to us the process now with the rules package So you've had a couple of your colleagues on the Republican side not necessarily the most conservative due to weekend show route Already threatening to sabotage the rules package you in the 20 negotiated hard for Are they going to whip four or 5 more together to say no I doubt it but it seems kind of weird that they were the ones saying oh my gosh the minorities against the majority here and now they're doing the same thing Do you think the rules package is going to pass How do you see it Well just meeting with the whip team my understanding is that we're probably going to get there But look we thought we were going to get there on the first vote on Friday night for the speaker and we had to have another vote You never know for sure until the vote plays out But we do believe that right now there's only one public opposition that's Tony Gonzalez my colleague from Texas You'll have to ask him why But the bottom line is right now we have no other single person that's publicly out there And understand this for everybody listening The rules package being voted on tonight has been out there for a couple of weeks because it was the thing that we've been working to negotiate towards since we put out our demands on December 8th where we laid out all of the things that we thought were important The one change was of course moving the motion to vacate to single person motion to vacate The rest of the rules package is the same All of the other pieces to this that we've been talking about as part of our overall agreement to support the speaker was a commitment to actually carry out some of the things we outlined in our memo that we believe actually puts an exclamation point on the commitment
Schlereth and Evans
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on Schlereth and Evans
"Wilson, 70.9 rating is 15 touchdowns, 18 picks, 8 and four record. And JaMarcus Russell is considered one of the biggest busts of all time. So Zach Wilson, after two years, I don't think he takes another snap for the jets. I think it's over there. I think they try to move him. They take the Josh Rosen route that the cardinals did, and they just bail on the experiment. I don't know how, because in New York, there's certain markets you just can not reinvent yourself and I don't think Wilson can at this point. Whether that's fair or not is a different discussion, but the modern NFL is such. There's no patience for young quarterbacks. There's less than no patience in New York and because of the way he has handled it with a lack of maturity, a lack of accountability throughout this process. He's gotten better recently. I don't know that he takes another SnapChat to you for the jets. The market makes it really difficult with the pressures and the spotlight of New York City and him not being a New Yorker or having that kind of an attitude coming from Utah. Into that element, that makes it really difficult. The other thing that makes it really hard in New York is the belief that the rest of the roster is ready to compete at a really high level. That the defense is really good that they have young weapons to throw to on offense. And what Mike white has been able to do when he's played is put up numbers, put up points and lead the team to a win to actually score when Wilson can't get anything more than a field goal on an opening drive, right? That's making it really, really difficult. And if you look back now, hindsight 2020, just two years ago, Trevor Lawrence number one, Zach Wilson number two, Trey Lance number three Mac Jones, what was he number 15, 15 of the Patriots? And then
The Rich Eisen Show
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show
"That's going too far. Liz is outstanding. She all these cards that you may see here in front of me. There's notes for their guests on there. I don't know if you could see on the Sam jager card all the M's are X out all of them. Every last M is X down. Disrespect is real. Great job was. I mean, not the notebook though. That's too far. You know, I mean, I have zero control over what's going on in the show. Anybody who follows us on Twitter at rich eisen show sees there's a poll question out who should start for the jets this week. Mike white Joe Flacco or me, and that's because there's a New England patriot fan who's in charge of our Twitter account in a poll questions. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you. Not Sam Elliott. He looks more like Yosemite Sam every day, this guy. He really does what I'm still digging it the most, man. More like Henry Cavill and Mission Impossible. That's what I think. Okay. That's what I've been doing. And then go jump out of play. Figuratively. Of course, it's Thanksgiving. I'm very thankful for you. Thank you. I've been your house for Thanksgiving. I know you. Okay. Yesterday, Tuesday, when? Robert sala would not commit to starting Zach Wilson this weekend against the bears. I said, my sense of it was because Zach Wilson is still despite 20 dreadful collective starts as a jet quarterback when your stats are on par with JaMarcus Russell. And the only difference is JaMarcus drank scissors and you're drinking your own Kool-Aid.
Schlereth and Evans
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on Schlereth and Evans
"It can be about anything or everything the Broncos, the apps starting up their season, the nuggets next week. Do not buy what dick monfort is selling you rockies fans. If you want to comment on that, they didn't find a couple of scapegoats for last year wasn't all completely Stan pat at stamp patent Blake. Yesterday, but we'll get it. They had a mutual. They had a mutual leaving of the hitting coach, right? No, that was the problem. Yeah. That's right. Because it was the situation. Even though they were 6th in the majors, as far as batting average concern, it was the situational hitting. And the lack of Homer's at Coors field by Iron Man. And that's all the coaches fault. I mean, that pretty much is going to solve all the issues. Well, you knew one stick montford came out in that letter to the season ticket holders and he talked about the lack of situational hitting. And that's real inside baseball stuff from your owner. So that's right. Clearly, he knows the game. And so that put the hitting coach on blast right there. Right there, he knew. At that point, you just walked right up to the front office and say, hey, I resigned. Because there is, I mean, there's nothing you can do after that. I mean, that's just all right, so we are often rolling on a Friday, again, is it just me? And greetings to you, good morning, new marshal from Atlanta, where you are joining us this morning. Yes, I am. I am, I am live from Atlanta. It is a beautiful here, and yeah, things are good, man. I'm things you're good. I'm excited to go down to the Atlanta Falcons facility and meet with some coaches, you know, a new coaching staff that I have never met with. So I'm excited about that. You got Atlanta and San Francisco, so you get to hang out with your bro, yes. You're bro, Kyle Shanahan. Yep. He's your bro. We're a couple of Bros. You are Bros. We're Bros. Hey, bro what's up, bro hey, bro what's up? Hey, had dinner with your parents the other night. I did. And Peggy said I had to give him a hug. Okay. Yeah, from mommy. That's good. That's good. And Mike wanted to know if he was flush after a weekend. Did you make papa bear a little bit of money? I mean, you guys spent a week at the green bar. How'd the gambling dead on the golf course go? So last night. Those guys actually have much time for playing golf those coaches, man. Those dudes work like none other, but go ahead. Last night. How about last night? We called this. We said, hey, if you think Broncos coach was bad oh yeah. Wait till next week. Oh my gosh. Not pretty. Mike, it was not pretty. Bologna, I could. Yeah, it was. It was one of those things that, as I was watching the game last night, I went, oh, so this is what the rest of the country was watching last week. America, I apologize. I don't know if it was just like people went up to the concourse to vomit during halftime or because when they came back in the third quarter, the stands were empty. I don't know if people just left like, hey, it's Thursday night and you know what? I got to get some rest 'cause I'm planning on getting doing some drinking on Friday night. I can't. I can't be bothered staying up late on a Thursday night watching this dreck. Yeah, it was that was bad. That was really bad football. Yeah, they were talking about some of the stats that were popping up during the course of the game. What was it? 96 minutes of game time since the last touchdown scored on a Thursday night. That kind of a stat. The amount of possessions since the last time, Al Michaels. And now Michaels is great for these kind of games. I know he hates calling these kinds of games, but he seems to really revel in the misery of the game and they come up on camera. He's like, they'll score a touchdown. Eventually, we'll see a touchdown. Eventually. Although they did manage to score two touchdowns last night. Yeah. Something that Broncos and colts couldn't do. Yeah, the wrong as a colts couldn't get it touched down in. So that, I mean, that part was an electric. It was electric, Mike. And that was a great throw, a great throw by our guy, Justin Fields. On the touchdown throw to, who was it that caught that? Mooney, I think it was no, no, no. Oh, the touchdown. Yeah. Yeah, that was a really good throw. Yeah, that was no one was special. Hey, no attention to the wide open tight end for a walk in touchdown that he overthrew by about 5 yards. Well, like I said, I mean, he is my golf game. Like, I am every time I go out to play golf, I'm ready to quit and then I hit one shot that was like, hey man, if I could do that again. I could be great. He is my golf cart. Yeah. Well, this isn't just me Friday is it just me, but the draft a quarterback, any quarterback crowd has to be sitting back on Dodge one there when it comes to Justin Fields. That would not have been a good selection at number 9. Well, how about Carson Wentz at number two? How far is that guy falling off the map? Yeah, there are a lot of bad quarterbacks. So what did I see yesterday that Baker Mayfield currently has a QBR this late into the season 5 games? I'd always heard now, but 5 games into the season. Lowest QBR since JaMarcus Russell. When I woke up this morning, I was feeling pretty dangerous. Yeah. You never want to be compared to JaMarcus Russell. No, no. You are correct. That is not, that's never a good thing, Mike. That is when you're compared to JaMarcus. Unless maybe bank account. Initial bank account. Yes. He did. That's a lot of money. Because I think that was before they stopped, you know, and that was before they stopped, you know, they put The Rookie wage scale in. So that good. That's a good comparison. Anything that has to do with your ability to play football, not good. That's not no. You don't want that. Is it just me Friday coming up? I've got an issue just me. We'll get to some of yours as well, but I've got one that came across a stat that was thrown down during the game last night that made me think maybe just maybe we ought to give Russell Wilson to thank you lacking in this Broncos offense a little bit of slack that's next. It's a Bud Light football Friday, Bud Light, official beer sponsor of the Denver Broncos. Here's schlereth and Evans. I wish I found some better sounds no one's ever heard. I wish I had the better voice and sing some better words. I wish I found some chords in an order that is new. So it ain't another bad Thursday night football game. We were given a stat. That made me go, um. On this this is just me Friday, is it just me? It's my own personal one. I come up with some as well as. Yeah, well, listeners. Yeah, you're really, you're really solid at the things like that. Solid, I just saw. If you come up with any, by the way, you're free to my whole 6 years of doing this show with you. I think I've come up with one or two. You're right. That's about right, yeah. Yeah. I do like one every three years. I don't want to rush into it. Okay, just me Friday. Okay. I'd like to take my time. Okay. Well, is it just me or should we cut the Broncos offense some slack considering scoring is way down across the NFL that the average NFL game to this point is a combined 44 points.
Strong Opinion Sports
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on Strong Opinion Sports
"Is not potentially watching kiln. If watching film is a concern of yours, you probably shouldn't be giving that guy $230 million. So Kyler got all defensive Kyler Murray was like, it's disrespectful. People are doubting me, blah blah blah. And Arizona actually ended up removing the Here is a statement that Arizona made in the wake of all that. They said, after seeing the distraction it created, we removed the addendum from the contract. It was clearly perceived in ways we never intended, and our confidence in Kyler Murray is as high as it's ever been, and nothing demonstrates our belief in his ability to lead this team more than the commitment reflected in the contract. They're like, yo. We paid him $230 million. That should speak for itself and how dare you create a distraction and be questioning why we put in there. I have no idea. I don't know why there's at one point was a clause that required Kyler Murray to watch four hours of film a week by himself. It's hilarious and weird because the reality is that watching four hours of film a week is nothing. I watched significantly more than that as a high school quarterback. Four hours is, that's what Tom Brady watches like in a day after practice. So it's weird. It's in there. I don't know if they were micromanaging him. I don't know if they were trying something new with a contract. I don't know if, I don't know what it was. I don't know why it's in there. I have a hard time believing Kyler Murray doesn't watch any film. Although it's possible, I guess. If Kyler Murray really isn't watching four hours of film a week, that's terrifying. Now, what it could be happening is that he goes to watch film with cliff Kingsbury, the coach, and he's watching film and meetings all the time. So he's doing it all the time and maybe going home and not watching stuff by himself. I don't really know. But certainly this was a very weird story. When I haven't ever seen anything like that, I heard the, you know, the stories of JaMarcus Russell not watching film or legendary, look them up sometime if you want to, but I've got a hard time believing Kyler Murray doesn't watch any film. And if he's not, that's insane and the cardinals are insane for having to pay him, but it's just kind of weird. The whole thing was a bad look. I don't know why they I just don't know why they put that in the contract. I'll never really understand and maybe someday we'll get more on that story. Like maybe in ten years from now they'll be like, remember that time, but I think honestly, it's going to be forgotten ten years from now. We're never going to find out why they did that. But
The MMQB NFL Podcast
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The MMQB NFL Podcast
"Access to contracts. But I think the likely culprit is the cardinals and I say that because what I just talked about, burckhardt, the agent, somebody put out there, hey, 46 one a year, 230 million. That's a little bit embarrassing. You know, that's like, we're not paying them that much. It's not really that, it's not really beating deshaun Watson. So maybe this is a little bit of a clap back. Okay, you got that out there. We're going to put this out there. As far as embarrassing, though, this is you guys know it well as anyone. These kind of things get out. So Kyler and Eric are going to this clause. There's no way in God's green earth that they're sitting there saying, oh, no one will ever find out about this. The business is too small. The business is too public to public. And then we get to Tyler's reaction, which is, as I told you, before we came on the podcast, he's accusing the world sort of of saying he doesn't work hard. It's not the world. It's his own team. And this is what's weird. I still can't reconcile. They gave him, I keep saying a big deal, not the deal that was advertised initially, but a really good deal, and then gave him this clause. Like if you're worried about his and there's 9 million of workout bonuses in there, which tells me they're worried about his work ethic in the weight room. They're worried about his work ethic in the off season. And of course, now we know they're worried about his work ethic in the classroom for the upcoming opponent. Now, if I'm a team management and I'm worried about those three things, I'm like, we got a year at $5 million. Let's just sit on this. Right? Why wouldn't you just sit on this? And the answer has to be because he was going to be a total pain in the you know what? If we didn't extend them. And Eric burckhardt was too. So that's the only reason because this screams out as we don't trust him in the work ethic department, let's wait a year and see if he improves. But they didn't. They gave him this massive deal. So it's just a, it's a contradiction in terms. This contract. What's interesting to me too in the follow-up to that I have is the Cardinals have put themselves in a couple of disadvantageous positions. I don't know if you've seen it the same way, Andrew, but even going back to when Kyler Murray was coming out, they telegraphed that selection to the point where it made it impossible to trade Josh Rosen. And I think they ended up getting less for Josh Rosen than the jets got for Sam darnold. And I feel like this is a similar situation where you've extended cliff. You've extended the GM, you've built an entire roster that can really only succeed with someone with Kyler skill set at quarterback. How could you not extend him? And then if you were going down that road so rapidly, wasn't there any point or several points if you're an executive in this building and saying, shouldn't we press pause for a minute and doesn't this whole thing kind of freak us out a little bit? Yeah. I mean, I'd like to be a fly on the wall for who in that building is coming up with that clause. There's rumors about the owner himself, Michael bidwell. And how they're presenting that. And it's almost got to be where, okay, Eric burckhardt and Kyler, we're going to give you your money. But don't bring up anything that's in the document. We're going to give you the money, but we structure we do the language. We write the contract. Okay? Because I mean, listen, I've done this a long time. I was an agent many years. I was team executive ten years, and I've been doing the media analysis on this for over ten years. I have never Connor in my life seen a clause like this. Ever. And for a team to have to legislate four hours of study or have default, are you kidding me? Do people know what default means to follow means he's going to be in breach? And the way it reads, he could be in breach week one of 2022 and lose a $105 million. I mean, are you kidding me? Now, would the cardinals ever enforce it? Of course, you would think, no, you know, if he only hits three and a half hours one week, but you never know, it's in there. It's in there. So again, to explain to listeners, if he has less than four hours of independent study, and any week, it's a breach and a breach, just like a suspension for drugs or conduct, voids, future guarantees. So when we say a 105 or a 150 guaranteed, three and a half hours of study one, we could void that. Like, think about that. So I don't know why it was proposed, and I don't know why it was agreed to. You know, you guys can laugh, by the way, but the big loser in all this is millennials pointing at me, right? Because everyone's gonna say right that it's our generation that necessitated the first ever study clause in a contract, right? It's because we can't stop playing video games. Thanks, Kyler, and the Cardinals. Yeah, you're not that young, are you? I just turned 34, but by classification, I am still a millennial, unfortunately. Okay. There you go. There you go. No, this whole thing, my mind immediately went to the old, you know, the old JaMarcus Russell story where they sent them home with a blank DVDs and then he came back and they said, what do you think in the film and he was kind of like, yeah, it was good or whatever and to use it as a way to prove that he wasn't watching film. And obviously Mark Russell was recently on Ryan Clark's podcast and it was humiliating. It was insulting. For them to do that to him. And this is shades of that. This is obviously not the same sort of trick oration that the Raiders staff use with JaMarcus Russell, but this is basically just saying like, yeah, we don't think you work very hard. We don't trust you to work hard, and we can just make a handshake deal. You can just sort of be like, oh, listen, we want you to study more film on your own. If you sign this contract. That's it. It's done. It's funny, you know, I had a group of my students from Villanova kind of check in my little sports law fellows of mine. And we talked about this. And I posed this question to the group. I said, let's just use that number a 105 million over three. If I said to you, Kyler Murray, we'll pay you a 100 million over three with no clause. What would you take? What would you guys take? I take the one O 5 night dare.
The Paul Finebaum Show
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The Paul Finebaum Show
"Springer sounds like it'd be fun to hang out with it. It's a full fine bomb show, I'm Jason Fitz sitting in for Paul. Hanging out with you guys 855-242-7285. That's how you get in on the fun. I may have to talk to Paul though at some point about the theme, which is Taylor Hicks has done a wonderful job. I find myself Tapping my toe to it every time I hear it, but then I realized I don't hear any fiddle on it. Maybe it's just I'm going deaf in my old age. I don't know, but I didn't hear any Fidel on it. It seems like that's sort of a wasted opportunity. So I might have to call Paul and complain about that. See what I did there. All right, we're taking your thoughts on all things. Best and worst. Best and worst traditions in the SEC. Obviously, we want your favorites and your least favorite. I mean, the war eagle thing has got people fired up in both directions. So I'm always amazed by that. And also, of course, we're taking your thoughts on all things name image likeness as cold cubic as we really thinking ever since we had them on a little bit ago about the future of the transfer portal and how it impacts name image likeness and there's no easy answer to this, right? Like that's the one thing that we have to remember is that every time we find a yeah but on this situation we have to figure out what the workaround is. Like there is there has to be a mindset of not we can't, but how can we? Because these waters aren't changing. So if you aren't happy with the way everything looks right now, your choice is to give up on the sport you love or to just accept that the sport you love is changing. I don't remember who it was. You'll have to forgive me. I saw a former NFL player the other day saying that the game needed to be improved by eliminating fair catches and not allowing quarterbacks to take a knee. And it just reminded me how much different the NFL is today than it was 30, 40 years ago and we talk about it every time there's a roughing the passer. It's like a shot game. You see roughing the pastor, take a drink because you know somebody's going to say, well, back in the day, right? But who cares? Because back in the day is no longer significant to what we see now. The problem is, in a good way, college football is seeped in tradition. So not only does it feel like they're messing with the sport you love, they're messing with the tradition. We all love, right? So how do you navigate those waters? But you don't have a choice because it's not going anywhere. And if it's not going anywhere, then the question becomes, how are we going to manage the transfer portal in a way that makes sense? But to cold cubics point, college football is different because now, if you think somebody's out there and they might help your team, boy, there's a ton of ways to get to them and let them know what their name image like this opportunities could be at a different school than the question is what happens at the collective that just spent a bunch of money on them that is trying to avoid certain laws so that money isn't necessarily geared towards one school because it can't be. So now you're collective that spent money on a player to come to school a, thinking that, hey, that's where you're going to be successful. And using a perfect example is Oklahoma. Let's say you're a collective, you spend money on a player to come to Oklahoma. He then follows Lincoln Riley to USC. Do you care about that investment? If you're a used car shop somewhere in Norman, do you really want a kid that's playing wide receiver at USC to be on your payroll? I don't know how these contracts work. And we aren't going to know until we get more information on the contracts and we start to see what it looks like. What I do believe is that over the next few years, it will start to normalize, because it has to. At some point, everybody's going to get to understand the market better and as they don't understand crypto. So I don't put anything into crypto. I don't get it. I am not smart enough to understand crypto. But there are people that are. And those people are doing really well. Sometimes in that market, right? So at some point, as everybody figures it out, then you figure out how to manage that situation. But right now, nobody knows Weston, Alabama. Thanks for calling the show, man. I appreciate you chiming in on the Paul finebaum show. What do you got, man? What's on your mind? Yes, I just want to make a comment on I haven't made or heard anything about a mentioned not to give their money till they're a junior or seniors. That would help with recruiting and not giving them all the money right out of the gate. That would, I'm afraid the future is going to look like we're going to end up having 20 to 30 super schools and it will ruin the rest of college football. Did we not in your mind though already have 20 to 30 super schools like how many teams you really can buy original championship? I agree with that, but I'm talking about as far as the money and the recruiting aspect. Yeah. And I don't think you're wrong. Look, anything that makes sense all the way across the board and actually recall like I understand where you're coming from. If I'm the kid, I don't want to have to wait for my money. And I'm always cautious with the money conversation. I said this earlier, but I want to reiterate it because Ed in New York called in earlier and I appreciate everybody that calls in. It's part of what makes this show great. But one thing Ed said is, you know, we've got to worry about how the kids are going to handle the money and can they handle the money and those are real concerns. As a raiders fan, I watched JaMarcus Russell get a bunch of money and fizzle out in the NFL. And at the time, I told all my buddies, if you had a hand in me that much money fully guaranteed at that age, I'd have blown it too. I was not ready to handle that kind of cash. But we can't let that concept change the way we regulate sports because we don't do it for anything else..
Strong Opinion Sports
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on Strong Opinion Sports
"That's my take on the saints quarterback. Situation. Okay. We got to have this conversation. Let me check. I want to make sure that news didn't break right now. So Baker Mayfield has he been traded yet. I don't think so. But I would hate to record this and then find out that, hey, you know, right as you were talking, bam, got traded in Seattle. I'm like, dang it. So no, we're still waiting. It's getting awkward for brown's quarterback. Baker Mayfield. Cleveland traded for quarterback deshaun Watson. They replaced Baker Mayfield, the former number one overall pick. Baker, by the way, he demanded a trade, and then they tried it for deshaun Watson. They just didn't even listen to it. They don't care at all. I'm sure they lasted him. He's like, I want to trade. They're like, shut up little dog. He's like a little yappy puppy. Maybe, I don't know. Baker's available. And the browns are not asking for very much. From what I hear, it's not like the browns are like, baker, we demand a first round pick if you want Baker Mayfield, no, no, they're like, we just want this guy off a roster. Like he'd give us whatever you're offering. We'll listen to trades and make it happen. But nobody wants him. Nobody wants baker. That's brutal. It's one of the worst. I mean, I thought it was bad in his career, I thought there were bad moments throughout his career, but this is definitely the lowest point of Baker Mayfield's career to this point. And it's weird because he's not an obvious bust. He's not JaMarcus Russell, he's not Josh rose, and he's done some good stuff. He's had some solid years in the NFL when a playoff game, like it's a very weird position for Baker Mayfield and the way the NFL teams view him. With him, openly available, like, clearly Cleveland wanted to move him. Even after that happened, indie made a move to go get Matt Ryan, Atlanta, ignored the baker was available. They got Marcus Mariota, the saints signed Jameis Winston, they give him a contract. So I think there's no way the browns are going to have Baker Mayfield on the roster, come this fall when training camp happens. I think baker is a guy that, man, I would not want to compete against him in a quarterback position. I think he would be cutting kind of rude, I think he's insecure and really hard to compete against just with the way he treats people. I'm sure he's great. Unless you're as direct threat. And then he's like, probably not very great to his people who feel threatening to him. I don't get a sense that baker is very welcoming to them. And so is he going to get along with deshaun Watson? No, absolutely no way. He's out. They got to get rid of Baker Mayfield. And they might end up having to cut him to get him off their roster. There's only two teams out there in the NFL right now, by the way, that might even want him. Seattle has drew lock at quarterback, and there's no way that I don't feel great about that. Carolina has Sam darnold, do they really want baker?.
The Paul Finebaum Show
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The Paul Finebaum Show
"Are these small things you'll learn, especially 71 total personnel, you see is a busy day too, as we saw Ohio State had their pro day. So there's a lot of NFL scouts that have said, hey, listen, we'll go up to Columbus as well as I think they were like 7 or 8 other schools having their pro day, but that's a pretty sizable crew, Roman. That's down there in Oxford for today. Well, look, anytime you have a quarterback that's being talked about in the first in the first part of the first round, people will show up because you're not going to draft a quarterback if the organization, if the owner, the coaches, and everybody else that has his hand in it signs off on it and says, this is the guy because not only is he going to play for us, but he also has to be the face of your organization when you're quarterback. Greg, when we look at it, and obviously you know how quick the delivery is, arm talent wise. Does he have that, I mean, I don't know if it's Malik Willis type arm strength or JaMarcus Russell for whatever reason, but does he have that strength to snap it on the next level? Yeah. He's got plenty of arm, man. Like the most overrated quality in the entire world when it comes to evaluating quarterback talents, arm talent. Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl when his arm was far from what it once was. I was in that certainly get by if you have a great understanding of how to overcompensate for that arm talent. So if that's something that's potentially lacking and you make up for it by having a shorter release, a quicker release and being able to anticipate throws. I think it is a great job of all those things. I think backgrounds got really good instincts, excellent instincts. Now, this is not a setting in which those instincts will necessarily come to the forefront. But what this is really important to show, you can show that quick release, you can see the ball placement. You can see how we can drop it in the bucket and you really want to see like you heard Todd mcshay tell us earlier. 40% of he can play to 40% of his passes on throws to travel more than 20 yards downfield. That's not a good number. Four guys that are being considered at the top of the NFL Draft. So he's wants to show that now and I think it's a great opportunity to do that here against O defense and to show off some of that arm strength. Well, we are going to start with that in real quick break..
The Rich Eisen Show
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show
"The one that come on in and a little bit in a little bit. Let's see the competitive spirit. Let's see your competitors. I don't care if they want them. It doesn't want to work out. Who cares? Well, because hold on a minute. Who cares? Because they see on his tape, they have questions about whether he really wants to put himself out there on his tape. And they are questioning that. And here he is having an opportunity to work out just like everybody else, just like he said he would, and then he didn't. That's a different story. Yeah, things go. You're paid to evaluate. Your job is to evaluate. And if you miss the evaluation, you're fired. You're out of a job. You could be out of football. There's a difference between, you know, some dude who's maybe a third day pick or a guy who's being talked about is number one overall pick. But that's not what you're saying. We're talking about the scout. What I'm saying is, you see, who cares if he doesn't want to work out? The scouts do, and the players do, and obviously didn't. I will say is this mayock God. Hammered. Years ago over JaMarcus Russell, where he said he was questioning his love of football. Hammered. Call that turned out. So again, these are, there is precedence of somebody who looks so amazing and playing and you're going to use a top 5 pick on this person. You better be totally buttoned up. Because having a personality, interested in other things, like get over yourself, like, come on, this isn't 40 years ago. We'll take a break. Overreaction Monday. Boy,.
Strong Opinion Sports
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on Strong Opinion Sports
"What are you talking about Joe buck? How has he been horrible? He's got like, he's like 8 for 11 right now. What are you talking? I mean, I just, my mind was blowing up watching pillbox criticizing me. You don't know anything, dude. Shut up. So I went to Twitter and I was like, why is Aikman just like demolishing love right now? And then Twitter was like, JaMarcus Russell would look better at quarterback right now. I'm like, all right, hold on. Like, what is going on here? I know he wasn't very liked coming out in the draft, so I don't know if that's like people rushing to confirm their draft takes or what? But I actually did a 30 minute film romantic 'cause I wanted to just take a step back and look at what was actually happening here. And let's be honest, he was not good, like he didn't come out and win the game or look great. And I never said that, but he wasn't. I wouldn't even describe him as bad either. I think he was very average in that game, which is totally fine for a backup quarterback, like I said. He's not out there practicing with this guy. These guys, the chemistry was off all over the place. Not just on back shoulders with Devante Adams. There's a couple of plays that are those little option routes on those stick concepts where the quarterback and the receiver have to decide if they're going to sit down or run the out route against his own coverage. And he was over two on those one time he threw the sit down route and the receiver broke out and the other time they did the opposite. So that clearly the chemistry was just all off, and that's just Ricky quarterback stuff. I don't think that's anything against love. And then you look at the fact that they blitzed the absolute crap out of them. They're right guard who's a rookie fourth round pick. Royce Newman had one of the more atrocious starts you'll ever see just abandoning constant pressure to love..
Strong Opinion Sports
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on Strong Opinion Sports
"JaMarcus Russell. Oh, it was so, so talented. It's unbelievable. Anybody watch college film of JaMarcus Russell at LSU, it's unbelievable. You're like, wow. If only if only he had half the work ethic against Tom Brady, it's just so sad, but Tom Brady, the thing you have to love about. I think I will always love about him, misses work ethic and the way he controlled everything he could control mastered and dominated it. Anyway, I really want to talk about Mac Jones. Mac Jones is a page where it's young, rookie quarterback. Man, I don't think that he did, but you certainly could argue that Mac Jones outplayed Tom Brady on Sunday Night football. Now remember the Buccaneers defense was injured their secondary all banged up and Tom Brady. Unlike Mac Jones, Tom Brady was dealing with coverage is getting disguised every single play and certainly Brady was more impressive doing what he did against a much more difficult defense to play against. But still Mack Jones was awesome against Tampa. He blew me away..
The Herd with Colin Cowherd
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The Herd with Colin Cowherd
"I say it all the time and at example after example after example just hammer home this point the difference in the nfl and basically any other business. That's throwing around. That level of cash is the impact of human beings. Right i just so many other people that my friends your friends. Whatever you do the industries you work on that are determined by a product that are determined by a service in the nfl when you draft tenth overall and you pay seventeen and a half million dollars there is no you can overcome because the products really good or the food's really good or the locations great. That player has to be good. There are no other variables besides that individual has to be a good player or you miss on the pick. It is the ultimate human business and you could argue that. Most businesses are determined by humans. And there's a big element of that in any business but there is no business quite like the nfl where it's every pick every player like it's up to him and you just never know because there is a freaking human element how the guy's going to handle adversity. How the guy's gonna handle success. How the guy's gonna handle money. How the guy is just going to handle playing football at a higher. Level and josh rosen was a player who when he came out i was a big fan of i would have had no problem. Drafting them in the top ten. I thought it was a really good pick by the arizona cardinals. It not only was terrible. Pick he's one of the biggest bus in recent memory if this ends right now and i think it might having seen him a practice. He's not any good. He will go down his career having less starts in the nfl. The jamarcus russell. And here's the thing jamarcus. Russell failed but we all know why he was lazy. He got addicted to the purple. Drank like it was self inflicted. Even to this day. People go remarks and a lot of talent. He just didn't put in any effort. Didn't give a shit then. It was too.
The Stephen A. Smith Show
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The Stephen A. Smith Show
"Be taking it day by day. Obviously it's five weeks before She's an opener. So i've got a lot of time and used that time. Get ready for that game. Yeah i mean. I don't know how much of good answer that is. But at some point that's a real answer and there's no way to once we get to the regular season i i'm going to say loud again. The number of times. I've watched raiders be good in the preseason and then just absolutely horrid the jamarcus russell three and thirteen year really stands out the year that art. Shell went out and hired a manager of an air of abedin breakfast to be as offensive coordinator. That is a true story and the team was ford. Oh i believe in the preseason. And then i watched the single. Worst season of raiders football. I ever remember. There is no value to take out of the preseason. I'll say there's no value. It's just fun to watch right. There's no value in it. But you do find value in deck getting reps and i think it matters to me not so much because of preseason it matters to me because it kobe last year and i i mean when we look at draft classes. You know right now. How often have you been a fan of team. And you see that their first round pick gets hurt and the next year you. You use the phrase commonly. Well they're getting a bonus first round. Pick right now you know. It's we're getting back first round pick. That didn't play last year. I feel that way about virtually every team in the nfl because there was so little continuity there was no normal. Offseason practices weren't normal adjusting to be a professional a covert videira moving to a city that you largely know nothing about like this human elements to last year that i think we're particularly difficult for rookies but i'll take that across an entire team when you're talking about the cowboys and our new coaching staff. It's easy for me to look back and say okay. If jason garrett was a problem the mike mccarthy was supposed to fix that problem and if we believe he was fixing that problem he was absolutely trying to fix it shorthanded last year. No doubt about it. It is easy to look at that from one side and then from the other side say okay. So what do we expect this year. Well i think you know having the opportunity to be around in offense getting the opportunity to note and study whether you're on the field or not all of those things can make better but if that's the real logic we're going to give then at some point he's still got to get some reps on the field. That's the concern. I have same concern. Have carson wentz like look if carson wentz is only out five weeks. he's back the colts. No problem in theory but the other side that is he'd be working in a new offense in some ways with new teammates around him trying to figure out his rhythm and his timing with everybody else. I mean there's still some value to that. And even if all of this dak stub only cost them one or two games. Washington man washington is a good football team. I'm sorry washington is a good football team. I know that nobody likes to root for the washington football team right now but that is absolutely spectacular. Their biggest whole last year was quarterback and they've got one that they seem to think can get them through. This season terry was on spain and fitz last night. Great dude great receiver. also great. Promo me you know you look across. The board. washington has talent. And if you're the new york football giants you feel good coming into this year. There's no doubt about it. You feel pretty good coming into this season. My only point with this. Is that if jack being out. The shoulder injury even cost the cowboys. One game that one game one game a knock in the rust off that one game could be enough to keep them out of the playoffs entirely. Don't forget speaking of playoffs. The playoff season is intensifying across the landscape and major league baseball tune into an nl battle tomorrow night. The brewers giants coverage begins at six thirty pm eastern on espn radio and the espn app. Speaking no doubt coming up no doubt a packer players says he's happy. Aaron rodgers back but is he will answer that but first when it comes what if you could put the same type of rigor i'm gonna learn how to read. That's we're gonna do. I just got try all that again. What if you put the same type of rigor that the pro leagues used for players into your hiring process. Hopefully better than the did in that draft here. Well you can..
KNBR The Sports Leader
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"Couple of the NFL notes while the 40 Niners Are not in camp. They're all they're all done until Training camp. We had mentioned a couple of guys who could shake free Jamison card being one, but the Jets and Crowder finalized a renegotiated contract. That will keep him on the team in 2021. So no Jamison Crowder if we thought maybe he would be released, No, have been a bad one. Have been Julio, but wouldn't have been a bad one. Yeah, I think that's a little too expensive. We talked to barrels about that him and and Zacher. It's just not gonna happen. Yeah, Crazy. Yeah. Same thing in Philly. Well, they say, Nick moans today. It doesn't sound like they're in any hurry to move. Zach Ertz. He makes $8.5 million and then one other guy, Stephon Gilmore. I'd love to see what the 49 ers he wants a new contract rehabbing from a partially torn quad. He was not president of the team's mandatory minicamp today, so That's that. Yeah. I mean, these we'd love to have and I'll Julio Jones, Jamison Crowder, Zach Ertz Tuvan Gilmore that all these starters, you're talking about high end players, but part of their dissatisfaction. With all of them. You can put Aaron Rodgers in there as well is money. So you know, they're just asking Crowder to take a big pay cut. How is that going to work out? I don't think they gotta cut him off the team. Why would you do that? Um, but you may trade him and then likewise for Hertz and something's going on with Howie Roseman there when, right after they drafted Dallas Goddard. They gotta. I don't know if he's quite the the fast target Route Runner catcher. He's good, though exact, but he's a better in line blocker. Um, so we'll see where he goes. And then you know. Stefan Gilmore is the one guy that that Belichick you know, with the exception of this year, when he went all in to make up for previous draft mistakes. And the fact that his quarterback could kind of, uh, Make things better than ultimately, the whole roster seemed to be He will not spend a lot of money. But he's never done that before, With the exception of the one time In the A F. C East. The guy he knew Wells to find. Gilmore was free, and he signed him as a free agent gave him big money. Change the way he played a much better player in New England, asking him to, you know, play press man will play zone behind you or half the field zone. You're playing man just play to his skill because he would be a Guy who they remember New England attacking him. One game at a go route with Chris Hogan is now playing professional lacks across right now, which is interesting. But I mean for the 49 ers, that's just not going to happen. For the same reason you couldn't get Julio Jones. I mean, those teams are not could just give those players away. You're up against it. I don't think he's not going to trade Gilmore. If he would have traded Gilmore. He would have already been gone by now. He's going to hold on to Gilmore. The question is, he's not going to resign Gilmore. So what he Chad Gilmore in the off season and try to get something for him there or how does he play that? But I think it's uh Of those three Uh, I would say that the highest degree of probability of being treated would be Zachary. But not to the 49 ers. Yeah, I wouldn't think so, either. The other thing, too. I was reading Matt Miyoko space and today and he talks about the off season for the 49 ers. The one thing that catches my eye. Is that you know, one of the reasons I think you and I talked about this last week. They don't go out and get Julio Jones is there's the big financial element to it, but he was projecting the the money. The first round picks and again this is why resetting the quarterback position as far as salary is such a big deal. Trade. Lance's contract is projected to be four years for $34.1 million. A top end back gets paid that $34.1 million per year. Aaron Banks second round pick 48th overall projected contract four years $7.1 million. I mean, that's the bottom of the roster kind of on an offensive lineman to make just a couple million years to the point that I'm making it all this and I don't need to go down everyone he's projected to each Uh, each picks dollar amount, But let's just look at Lance, For example, four years $34.1 million. You get a reset that position if those first few picks 2nd 3rd round, So if you're going, Aaron Banks, Trey sermon angry, Thomas those kind of guys. If those guys are as projected and go into your starting lineup, they're they're making such many school amount of money that if you hit on those pics, then you can go out and you can spend money. Other way ways. You can give Fred Warner his contract sanction. Nick Bosa is gonna be coming up so It's just huge. You do that. But it's one of the reasons why they're moving on from Jimmy to Trey. Lance is because basically what a top end quarterback gets paid in a year. That's what it's gonna do for Trey Lance over four years, and hopefully he can be a really good quarterback at that point, and you can kind of get ahead of the game that way. Well, it's it's why they traded Forest Buckner and took that very draft pick and they move back a spot but essentially the same deal to get even Ken Law. Look at how much Diovan kin loss making and the totality of his contract versus one year of the Forest Buckner. So in this it wasn't always like this in the NFL, you know? Go back to JaMarcus Russell. Sam Bradford was the last guy to get a really humongous deal, and Sam was a really good player. I just never had the right people around him got hurt her. A lot was forced to change change with Sam Bradford is tremendous talent He was when he played But he was the last one to get that kind of money. And then they you know the vets in the league and they run the union. You know D Smith there before him, Gene Upshaw, But it's the players, the veterans. That had enough of these players coming in. And making more money than they did right away. And they went to a rookie. Uh, you know, rookies scale and get it in the NBA. You know, there was there was years where NBA players came in right away. And then they changed all that. And that's the veteran players, so it didn't used to be like this forever. It's just has been like this The last 10 years or so. Uh and it's how you do business, so there's no doubt but at the same time And it's not just Fred. Fred's going to get Fred Warner is going to get a new deal here. Nick Boss is going to get a new deal here. McGlinchey, you know, question mark about him. Chamblin Senate left guard Leikin. If some of these young guards can You know, Push him then. You may not have to go that way. You mentioned banks also. Jalen Moore. If you hit Jalen Moore, you don't have to give lake in a huge extension. It saves your money. It's a hard cap in this league, the other sports do not. They have solved. They're they're penalized by Taxes. But if you want your owner wants to pay those in the NFL, you can't do that. But at the same time If you have, Trey Lance is not ready to check the team over then you do other things. If you have to keep Garoppolo, and it makes you better there. They know what the salary cap is. And And what the wages are. They got it all. You know, penciled out for years. They know exactly what they're up against. And they know what they have to pay Fred and what I'm ultimately have to play neck and they know all these things. But if Jimmy is better Then you figure out a way to keep that. But the problem you have, John is not. You know the guys that are up and you've got one or for one more year, So it's not pressing and he got neck for a little while. He's just going into his third year. You're obviously going to pick up his fifth year option. So you got him for a couple of more years. It's the guys that you signed a one year deals. Jason Verrett, right. It's time to pay Jason Verrett. He took a little bit last year because the whole thing was so depressed. Jason Verrett puts the same year back on tape..
AM 1530 WCKG
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on AM 1530 WCKG
"Way out during the commercial is a. You know, we got a kick out of that trend. I got a picture. Gumbel here on Sports Talk Chicago. Right. What excites you about Justin Fields and the bears Right now, I think for for the Bears on and for for a lot of people, it's not just Justin Fields. It's uh, when any team that picks up a youngster coming out of college, the Jets with Zach Wilson and Triple Lawrence in Jacksonville, you're excited to see if the potential that you have witnessed on film and in game action transfers. To the National Football League that you know the talent is there, but that's never a guarantee that that someone's going to make it and they're in. You know, John as well as I do. The reverse is always tricked out. Brady was 1/6 Round draft choice. Come on. You know, that is in retrospect crazy, but it's a fact so and you always know. Remember Ryan Leaf Ryan Leaf was the number two draft pick overall. He had a strong strong arm, but as far as accuracy or mob. What was that was his name LaMarcus Other. The Raiders picked JaMarcus Russell JaMarcus Russell could stand in front of a barn 25 yards away and still not hit the bar. I went into town. I met in town one day and I was looking at the statistics prior to a game with him, and his completion percentage is below 55% of the order you nuts. How are you gonna Are you gonna win football games, completing less than 55%. Even even guys who were losing football games are averaging 60 65% completion. So, so it's so it's so there's never a guarantee. But what I think that fans need to be excited about is that he has the potential, and he has the promise to do wonderful things on the football field, and I think it's going to be a thrill for fans and there's gonna be some losses and mistakes along the way. And, you know shame on us if that takes you by surprise, and you get describable by that, because it happens with everyone. The people are going to watch, and I think they're going to be pleased by his abilities and hopefully for the Chicago area. They'll see an improvement in their team and then and then promise for the future. What's your number? One concern about the Bears right now. Oh, I don't know. I I like their coach. Um, I'd like I'd like their team any time. I've had a chance to do them in the last couple of years. Um, you know, I think the number one Concern is to continue to build on past. You know, Here's the Here's the thing, too, You know they had They had some rough ups and ups and downs with Mitchell. True whiskey and and its stall the progress of the team, because when you make Draft pick, and they went out of their way to get Mitchell true Whiskey When you get a draft pick that high you wanted to work like The world. Is dependent on it and and and it doesn't always happen that way. And yet you don't want to bail on a guy too soon, but you don't want to over hype it anyway. And I think they went as far as they could. Um And that means continuing to build on the things that you've accomplished in the last couple of seasons. And from the Bears point of view. It's probably isn't there A lot of the fans say, Well, it's just it hasn't been that great, but I think that the progress that they've made there is significant and and and the the Problem they have now is how to work Justin Fields into the mix without taking a step backwards and he has to learn the Bears have to learn with him. But also they're gonna have Andy Dalton leading the way for a little while and trying to trying to continue to build on a record and teach this youngster at the same time. You like that signing? Well, you know, you had to do something because at that point they didn't know what they were going to do in the draft. They knew what they needed. They didn't know whether that they were going to get what they needed. And a guy like Andy Dalton in it, And I don't mean to denigrate it. Any dog is a fine quarterback. He has been a fine quarterback in the league. For for a long, long time. You just happened at the misfortune to play with the dreadful Cincinnati Bengals. And then the fact that that he was out there and available. I don't think that the Bears could afford to wait to see what was gonna happen with the draft. I think Andy Dalton would have gone to someone else. By the time the draft came around, and so I think they made the decision that they had to make, and I don't think it's a bad decision at all. Greg Gumbel here on Sports Talk Chicago. Greg, What's wrong with baseball right now? Oh, you mean other than double header games going on Lee seven innings or or or extra inning, starting with a man on second basement. It's absolutely ridiculous. It's just stupid. Absolutely stupid. It's not the same game that I grew up knowing and loving the very fact that But that they have these these But Thomas is the dumbest thing is the warnings to both benches whenever there are pictures that are too close to the hitter. Another done. Another thing is what will the player that the catcher is really not allowed to block home plate? Why would that be unfair? You know, there's no more. There's no more trying to take out a short stop at second base to avoid it, You know, T eliminated double play..
Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM
"We're having a conversation. Top Six. Quarterback busts. In the NFL. Who comes to mind Who came in Then who came in and went right back out. Didn't make the mark that they were expected to Let's talk about it. Just to go ahead and give you a recap as I get ready to reveal number one Counting down. Had David Carr at number six. Drafted in 2000 and two number one overall by the expansion Houston sections. Man. You want to talk about expansion. This guy's rip cage got expanded, He was sacked. 76 times. You talk about a raw deal, not getting help. That was David Carr. Number five. Bangles. They made the most Bangles decision ever. They selected Achille Smith, third overall in 1999 on Lee, coming off of one good year because they thought he was a superb athlete. This guy was so bad. Jon Kitna came right after him. Started 17 games out of three and 14 record five touchdowns. 13 interceptions for his career for your third overall pick. Number four. This man is pretty much still looking for a job in the NFL, and he was drafted in 2000 and 18. His name is Josh Rosen. Imagine being the quarterback that nobody wants. Calamari available. Sorry. Go away. Goes to Miami. Sorry we got Fitzpatrick go away. The man has the Be on the practice squad during a pandemic with Tom Brady. Then he gets snatched up by the Niners. Unfortunately, Josh Rosen for someone just drafted three years ago. It's already a case of of Where's Waldo? You don't know where he's going to end up next. At number three. Had to take you back to 1998. The man selected who wasn't Peyton Manning and his name is Ryan Leaf. Ryan Leaf was just a disaster. And it seems that he had personal demons, even from the minute that he was drafted. 14 such down 36 interceptions. Passer rating of 50. Glad he got his life together. He's currently a broadcaster. All the best to Ryan Leaf. Number two Gave you Johnny Manzo. Of course, they had to be at least one Cleveland Browns quarterback you on the list. I had the go ahead and select at least one Johnny Manziel couldn't hold or get his job or take it from Brian Warrior or Josh McCown. That says it all right there. This man had no dedication to the game. It's not like he needed the money. It was like he just was happy to be famous. No, I don't even get me started on the assault issues or the rehab. He wasn't mentally cut out. To play quarterback in the NFL. His teammates hated his guts. And so that leaves us with Johnny Manziel at number two. It's time to let you know. Who the biggest quarterback bust is in has been number one. Speaking of has been he is definitely has been. He is a major disappointment. You thought Jerry Jones was bad? You thought Jerry Jones was awful and running a franchise and making the decisions. God bless this man because he is no longer here. But Al Davis was told by multiple folks in the organization do not select JaMarcus Russell. And JaMarcus Russell. Is the biggest quarterback bust. In NFL history. Late to training camp after he was selected number one overall in 2000 and seven coming out of L s u He basically got $60 million And what did you get in return? 18 such now owns 23 interceptions. 22 Fumbles. JaMarcus Russell. It seemed that he was more interested in doughnuts. Big chains, big cars. And lessen his playbook. JaMarcus Russell is is the worst selection. In NFL history. You want to hear? JaMarcus Russell highlight. This is what it sounds like he I might give you a JaMarcus Russell highlight from week five of the 2000 and nine season This was on Giants radio. Listen to this highlight. Russell takes the snap. Giant splits gets hit with a football recovered five giants of the 12 yard line. Shut out the bar Papa? Yes, that JaMarcus Russell highlight was helping out the other team. Because there are no JaMarcus Russell highlights. I apologize. So as we talk about quarterbacks Lawrence and Fields Donald's What happens with a Watson keep in mind that their quarterbacks who have come in You know who didn't elevate their game? Who didn't get help. In this list was full of them. There were plenty more. I know there's some folks out there, not me. There's some people. Thank you. You know, Vince Young Was a bust. No RG three It's him couch. You want to talk about Brown's There are a lot of bust that I could have easily put on the list. These are the names that stood out to me. So what I'm going to do like I do every week after my top six list. I want to hear from you. 855 to 1 to four CBS That's 855 to 1 to four. CBS. I just told you JaMarcus Russell is the biggest quarterback bust in NFL history. Who do you think the biggest quarterback Buster's quarterbacks only Call me up 855 to 1 to four CBS desk a 55 to 1 to four CBS. Maybe someone will tell me Mitch Strabinsky..
The Myth of Quarterback Hand Size
"So let's talk some measurements. That's what went down today. The consensus number one overall pick Joe. Pearls hand sized came in at nine inches. Listen to this. The last quarterback that man that small drafted first overall was jared. Goff BACK IN TWO THOUSAND SIXTEEN GUYS. So that's some comparison it's annual. Nfl tradition every year were introduced to the incoming class of rookie quarterbacks. And we're told that a single measurement matters hand size but what if the metric is totally meaningless as the NFL combine unfolds in Indianapolis we investigate the connection between big hands and big production and ask whether Scouts are chasing a myth. I mean it's Tuesday February twenty fifth this is espn daily presented by ADT. Dave I was very self-conscious reading this piece because I don't know if you know this about me but I have tiny tiny hands. I have gigantic cans. Do you See come on tiny baby hands. Dave Flemming is a senior writer for. Espn his report on the NFL's obsession with quarterback hand size publishes ESPN DOT com today. So Dave yesterday was a big day for the quarterback prospects at this year's combine the annual release of the hand size measurements and the annual freak out about said measurements. Well I mean. It's like a national scouting holiday when the the QB hand size measurements. Come out because there is the belief that the distance between a potential NFL quarterbacks tip of his pinky and the tip of his thumb directly correlates to their success in the NFL. That's why we care just to give people sort of a framework here. What what is the big hand? And what is this small hand in football world red flags and NFL SCOUTING? Go up if your hand is smaller than nine and a half inches. But the guys who are said to have hands the size of Catcher's Mitts are. That's generally anything above ten inches. The normal size of adult humans hand is like eight and a half inches eight eight eight point seven five inches right now. Everyone is listening to this. Podcast is looking at their hands if they're under STEERING WHEEL WONDERING DO. I have two small hands. I've never thought about it until this very moment. Well Yeah and I think that is also part of it right that it's a myth or a theory or a legend that are virility is directly connected to the size of our hands that basically goes back to the beginning of time so in that sense. It seems logical that that we care about. How big a quarterback's hands are. What is the origin of the belief in the NFL world? That big hands equals good quarterback as far as I could tell were really took off with with Brett farve scouts and just people in general trying to quantify any way they could why this guy who was sort of a washout in Atlanta would go to the freezing cold and ice elements inside Lambeau field and become a three time. Mvp I mean. I think that's just human nature and scouting in general right that it's like whoa something weird like this happens. We want to be able to quantify it honestly. I think the there were some packers personnel. Who sort of wanted to claim credit for basically knowing in advance that he would be great because of his hand size and then what happens is human nature takes over right and people are like well. That's that's gotta be true. Look at Brett Farr for Lou peyton manning or look at Russell Wilson drew brees. I mean their hands are huge. So therefore air go right. All good quarterbacks have to have big hands breezing. Wilson are interesting examples. Because those were quarterbacks who were not universally seen as being sure things? Yeah in cases like that especially with Russell Wilson. You've got a really influential scouting and personnel department in Seattle right. That is sort of the envy of the rest of the League. And what happens is they. They can't decide. They're worried about picking him so high mainly because of his height and then one of the things that pushes him over the edge in their minds is the fact that he's got huge hands. I think the bigger the hands the easier it is to grip the football and let it rip so for me this this pointer finger right near the tip of the football and let spent basically he should be like seven foot seven if you go proportionately of for how big his hands are so the seahawks based on this data get pushed over the edge. They're like okay. We're GonNa Take Russell Wilson and then retrospectively. It's like Oh look at that. How genius that was that. We went by his hand size. And then that sort of proliferates the myth through all these other kind of envious scouting department's and the same thing for debris. I mean he's a short guy but he's got huge hands data on S. U. Y. When did you as a reporter? Who's been covering football for a long time? I start to doubt the correlation between hand size and being good quarterback I was at years ago at Jamarcus Russell's pro day at at Lsu and it was not good and as he finished up his workout. I walked out with a GM and a coach that I respected and I was like what did you guys think. That was very good and they both were like. Yeah but did you see his hands? They were huge. I think the coach even said it's like he's got an extra knuckle and I was like what that doesn't make any sense right. He could barely connect with his wide receivers on these on routes where there was no defense and they walked out of there going. Yeah but his hands are so huge. He's a can't miss prospect and ever since then really it was kind of like we need to look into this because it doesn't make any sense there have been exhaustive studies including one we did at ESPN. That went back over the last ten graphs and compared quarterback hand size to fumble rate per game and then Qbr overall there is zero correlation between the size of a quarterback's hand and their performance in the NFL. Zero correlation if anything it was in reverse the GUYS WITH QUOTE UNQUOTE SMALLER. Hands fumbled at the same rate and had a higher qbr than quarterbacks with bigger hands. It's like I don't understand. It takes two seconds to look this up to see if there's any correlation and what happens is you look at the data and you go. Well what's going on it's laughable coaches say? Oh hand size is more important than how Tala quarterback is I've read quote unquote draft experts. Who are saying you know in some situations. The size of a quarterback's hand is more important than his arm strength. What and Yes yes. It's never ending. You make a really important point story beyond questioning you know. The connection hand size measurements themselves are not very reliable. This the more you look into this it just gets sillier and Sillier and the fact that between the senior bowl and the combine and then pro day workouts on college campuses. There's no universally accepted way to measure a hand so you could go to the combine and where there's a ruler tape to a desktop and you have to put your hand down and they measure the distance between your thumb and your pinky and that's your hand size and three weeks later at your pro day. They might ask you to just hold your hand up in the air and they would spread a tape measure between your pinky and your psalm. And and that's your hand size one. You can lean into and spread your hands out on a desk. The only thing wrong with the theory of quarterback hand size is that it's fundamentally flawed on every single level if grip strength is more important. Sounds like you think it is. Why don't teams measure that? I honestly that's the million dollar question right. I think that they think that. There's a correlation between size and strength of a grip that's like measuring a kickers foot size to try and predict how long his field goals will be. I think that they think they're measuring for hand strength. And they're not they're measuring hand size and those are two completely different things. There's an entire cottage industry in the draft process of preparing these quarterbacks for you know the combine drills the interviews. Is there any preparation they can do? I can't believe I'm asking a question to make. Their hands seem larger. Yes absolutely there are players because they have no choice. That will hire your hand. Masseuses to loosen up the connective tissue in their hand just so that they can get that measurement over nine inches and sort of. Check that box off Brandon Allen. Who's now a backup in? Denver is a perfect example of that right. He went into the senior bowl. Didn't even realize hand measurement was a thing and just sorta held his hand up and they were like oh eight and a half inches. And everyone's like Oh my God his career's over and so between the senior bowl and the combine the masseuse that he was already working with spend a little extra time massaging his hand and then when he got to the combine he really concentrated on the measurement spread his hand out as far as he could and I think he got just under nine inches and again like the talk of the combine. Was this guy's magical hand masseuse. And he told me right that other quarterbacks with tiny hands we're blowing up his phone asking him what his secret was and and could they get the number of his masseuse coming up. How our brains allow this and other faulty? Nfl Scouting Practices to persist