18 Burst results for "Jamarcus Russell"
The Myth of Quarterback Hand Size
"So let's talk some measurements. That's what went down today. The consensus number one overall pick Joe. Pearls hand sized came in at nine inches. Listen to this. The last quarterback that man that small drafted first overall was jared. Goff BACK IN TWO THOUSAND SIXTEEN GUYS. So that's some comparison it's annual. Nfl tradition every year were introduced to the incoming class of rookie quarterbacks. And we're told that a single measurement matters hand size but what if the metric is totally meaningless as the NFL combine unfolds in Indianapolis we investigate the connection between big hands and big production and ask whether Scouts are chasing a myth. I mean it's Tuesday February twenty fifth this is espn daily presented by ADT. Dave I was very self-conscious reading this piece because I don't know if you know this about me but I have tiny tiny hands. I have gigantic cans. Do you See come on tiny baby hands. Dave Flemming is a senior writer for. Espn his report on the NFL's obsession with quarterback hand size publishes ESPN DOT com today. So Dave yesterday was a big day for the quarterback prospects at this year's combine the annual release of the hand size measurements and the annual freak out about said measurements. Well I mean. It's like a national scouting holiday when the the QB hand size measurements. Come out because there is the belief that the distance between a potential NFL quarterbacks tip of his pinky and the tip of his thumb directly correlates to their success in the NFL. That's why we care just to give people sort of a framework here. What what is the big hand? And what is this small hand in football world red flags and NFL SCOUTING? Go up if your hand is smaller than nine and a half inches. But the guys who are said to have hands the size of Catcher's Mitts are. That's generally anything above ten inches. The normal size of adult humans hand is like eight and a half inches eight eight eight point seven five inches right now. Everyone is listening to this. Podcast is looking at their hands if they're under STEERING WHEEL WONDERING DO. I have two small hands. I've never thought about it until this very moment. Well Yeah and I think that is also part of it right that it's a myth or a theory or a legend that are virility is directly connected to the size of our hands that basically goes back to the beginning of time so in that sense. It seems logical that that we care about. How big a quarterback's hands are. What is the origin of the belief in the NFL world? That big hands equals good quarterback as far as I could tell were really took off with with Brett farve scouts and just people in general trying to quantify any way they could why this guy who was sort of a washout in Atlanta would go to the freezing cold and ice elements inside Lambeau field and become a three time. Mvp I mean. I think that's just human nature and scouting in general right that it's like whoa something weird like this happens. We want to be able to quantify it honestly. I think the there were some packers personnel. Who sort of wanted to claim credit for basically knowing in advance that he would be great because of his hand size and then what happens is human nature takes over right and people are like well. That's that's gotta be true. Look at Brett Farr for Lou peyton manning or look at Russell Wilson drew brees. I mean their hands are huge. So therefore air go right. All good quarterbacks have to have big hands breezing. Wilson are interesting examples. Because those were quarterbacks who were not universally seen as being sure things? Yeah in cases like that especially with Russell Wilson. You've got a really influential scouting and personnel department in Seattle right. That is sort of the envy of the rest of the League. And what happens is they. They can't decide. They're worried about picking him so high mainly because of his height and then one of the things that pushes him over the edge in their minds is the fact that he's got huge hands. I think the bigger the hands the easier it is to grip the football and let it rip so for me this this pointer finger right near the tip of the football and let spent basically he should be like seven foot seven if you go proportionately of for how big his hands are so the seahawks based on this data get pushed over the edge. They're like okay. We're GonNa Take Russell Wilson and then retrospectively. It's like Oh look at that. How genius that was that. We went by his hand size. And then that sort of proliferates the myth through all these other kind of envious scouting department's and the same thing for debris. I mean he's a short guy but he's got huge hands data on S. U. Y. When did you as a reporter? Who's been covering football for a long time? I start to doubt the correlation between hand size and being good quarterback I was at years ago at Jamarcus Russell's pro day at at Lsu and it was not good and as he finished up his workout. I walked out with a GM and a coach that I respected and I was like what did you guys think. That was very good and they both were like. Yeah but did you see his hands? They were huge. I think the coach even said it's like he's got an extra knuckle and I was like what that doesn't make any sense right. He could barely connect with his wide receivers on these on routes where there was no defense and they walked out of there going. Yeah but his hands are so huge. He's a can't miss prospect and ever since then really it was kind of like we need to look into this because it doesn't make any sense there have been exhaustive studies including one we did at ESPN. That went back over the last ten graphs and compared quarterback hand size to fumble rate per game and then Qbr overall there is zero correlation between the size of a quarterback's hand and their performance in the NFL. Zero correlation if anything it was in reverse the GUYS WITH QUOTE UNQUOTE SMALLER. Hands fumbled at the same rate and had a higher qbr than quarterbacks with bigger hands. It's like I don't understand. It takes two seconds to look this up to see if there's any correlation and what happens is you look at the data and you go. Well what's going on it's laughable coaches say? Oh hand size is more important than how Tala quarterback is I've read quote unquote draft experts. Who are saying you know in some situations. The size of a quarterback's hand is more important than his arm strength. What and Yes yes. It's never ending. You make a really important point story beyond questioning you know. The connection hand size measurements themselves are not very reliable. This the more you look into this it just gets sillier and Sillier and the fact that between the senior bowl and the combine and then pro day workouts on college campuses. There's no universally accepted way to measure a hand so you could go to the combine and where there's a ruler tape to a desktop and you have to put your hand down and they measure the distance between your thumb and your pinky and that's your hand size and three weeks later at your pro day. They might ask you to just hold your hand up in the air and they would spread a tape measure between your pinky and your psalm. And and that's your hand size one. You can lean into and spread your hands out on a desk. The only thing wrong with the theory of quarterback hand size is that it's fundamentally flawed on every single level if grip strength is more important. Sounds like you think it is. Why don't teams measure that? I honestly that's the million dollar question right. I think that they think that. There's a correlation between size and strength of a grip that's like measuring a kickers foot size to try and predict how long his field goals will be. I think that they think they're measuring for hand strength. And they're not they're measuring hand size and those are two completely different things. There's an entire cottage industry in the draft process of preparing these quarterbacks for you know the combine drills the interviews. Is there any preparation they can do? I can't believe I'm asking a question to make. Their hands seem larger. Yes absolutely there are players because they have no choice. That will hire your hand. Masseuses to loosen up the connective tissue in their hand just so that they can get that measurement over nine inches and sort of. Check that box off Brandon Allen. Who's now a backup in? Denver is a perfect example of that right. He went into the senior bowl. Didn't even realize hand measurement was a thing and just sorta held his hand up and they were like oh eight and a half inches. And everyone's like Oh my God his career's over and so between the senior bowl and the combine the masseuse that he was already working with spend a little extra time massaging his hand and then when he got to the combine he really concentrated on the measurement spread his hand out as far as he could and I think he got just under nine inches and again like the talk of the combine. Was this guy's magical hand masseuse. And he told me right that other quarterbacks with tiny hands we're blowing up his phone asking him what his secret was and and could they get the number of his masseuse coming up. How our brains allow this and other faulty? Nfl Scouting Practices to persist
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on Newsradio 700 WLW
"Yup. S four thirty seven in the Queen city Cincinnati chick Ludwig seven hundred wwl w we are less than two hours from kickoff at the Mercedes Benz stadium. Add to honor, pleasure and privilege to welcome in from the Atlanta Journal constitution. Daryl Ledbetter DO what's going on? Getting ready for kick off here at Super Bowl fifty three at the Mercedes Benz stadium here in Atlanta today, I'll ban. It sounds crazy down there. And you're welcoming everybody to Atlanta this week. How are you holding up with all the great coverage from the AJC? Are you getting any rest as we build this crescendo? Yeah. I haven't been getting much. NFC championship game flew to LA got back to Atlanta been working pretty much decided by Wednesday. I'll get the rest after the Super Bowl leave the city. Absolutely, brother, man. We got some unbelievable story lines in this game. Ballot chick versus Sean McVeigh Brady versus Goff. What do you expect Daryl? You know, you got also got up, you know, Sean, you got up way Philip guard against Josh mcdaniels home Barton canton McKinley. You know, calling the patriots. I think the rent having advantage with their defense attorney can they take over the gang. Can they get ready fake? Can they shut down the run down have to do that? And then with Todd Gurley slammed back here in Georgia to have shot the game. I don't like having a chance to be Tom Brady and shootout. So they got this game make an old fashioned snacks. Author Brady around the Georgia Dome old Georgia Dome, the new Georgia Dome, which is the Mercedes and disrupt their past and then you know, knock on his to a couple of times for the ramp to have a shot here. Gosh, you're you're giving me confidence at the Rams might be able to pull this thing off. I do not wanna lopsided game men of just rooting for a great game. But you're right. Aaron Donald and Donna can sue with the pressure up the middle. You don't get into Brady's face. And then we all know that the quarterbacks best friend is a running game. Gosh, girl. He's got it touch the ball more than seven times. That's for darn sure. No question about it. He they have a good combo. They've discovered down the stretch with C J Anderson and Todd Gurley. Former Georgia BULLDOGS big crowd of cheer for him today. And you know, currently gotta get him more than seven coach got mad at them laugh game after he dropped us to passes the moved away from. They fell behind thirteen to get back into that game. But he's not gonna do that. And the biggest game of the year. Sean McVeigh born in Dayton, Ohio, but grew up down here in Atlanta, you know, and of course, you know, the family to McVay family and their time and at the university of Dayton. So it was you know, homecoming for coach, Sean McVeigh also, no doubt love and honor Miami, no doubt, man. There's a lot going on Jake mcquaid the long, snapper. The Rams the first player from elder high school to play in the Super Bowl, brother. Oh, man craze. That. Yeah. You want to close game. Gosh, it's a two point spread in favor of the patriots Mattis kinik live up to that. I think it can check us clearly two games coming down the stretch. They were out there early in season. The Rams, you know, they're thankful to be here. After what happened in New Orleans, but you know, good James. The break. So it can certainly live up to the high vinaigrette week here in the city. I was very walkable Super Bowl. No big distractions, the weather cooperated. And now, I we needed a great grand football game. Top everything off Daryl Ledbetter with us. From the Atlanta Journal constitution got the old school with ballot chick. And then this new wave young guys the energy that a thirty three year old coach can bring in Sean McVay and his coaching tree is starting to blossom. And sat Taylor is expected to be the Bengals next head coach. Yeah. No doubt about it. Yup. Hopton Bengals dot com. Earlier this week. The new coach. But I'm sure post game today that he'll be talking to him along with rags from Cincinnati and quark that gallery quarterback coach for the ram. He'll be in charge of getting ready and keeping them together. At the you know, the big game in his third season in the National Football League. So we'll see job coach Taylor dad with his pupil Garrick gall. Speaking of golf, I asked Tony pike what he's going through right now, man. He's just praying for a running game into keeping out a third and long because you don't want to be in that, you know, with with your lack of experience. Yeah. No doubt. And you know, talking Andrew Whitworth. The former bingo about the edge rusher. Some New England they lacked the move them around and flip them. But he said, you know, they, you know, they're gonna try to take the edge girly. And and see Jay guys are. It's not like they're not to get prepared for three or four different types of edge rusher. So, you know, whether Benoy, whomever. You know, they're going to block in the same. I try to open up the very fine ram offensive line. And where can have definitely get it moving over there and John Donovan a bit part of it. So that can be a good math yet. They can win the line of scrimmage. They'll have shot in the clip ballgame. Yeah. We know that the next Bengals gonna win a Super Bowl ring. Whether it's Rex Burkhead, James Devlin and even Jeremy hill on injured reserve, and then there's Andrew Whitworth. I always stood next to Andrew when I wanted some shade. What does his presence standing next to that guy? Man. What presence for Andrew Whitworth? Yeah. No doubt about it chick. I actually covered him at LSU LSU. Next to him and jamarcus Russell and now old college kid back then so it's been a July kind of following it career. Then what kind of, you know, individual grown into via the hard knocks episodes, and then just reading their stories about him headed up to the Super Bowl. So. Yeah. I think a lot of people would be happy for him to get his first Super Bowl ring in general before I let you leave just the just the changes over the years. Now, there's a big NFL show like like the Oscars the night before the game. You know, it's incredible. The hall of fame class gets unveiled. I'm sure you were involved in that. And it's just the spectacle just keeps getting bigger every year. Yeah. No doubt about it. Yeah. I was getting the meeting all day yesterday. Would happen. He's the Cincinnati voter. And, you know, forty eight of us on that committee. And yeah, we picked the class eight yesterday. And I from my perspective, I had Tony Gonzales former south in and champ Bailey. Former Georgia BULLDOGS go into the hall of fame. So we were busy with that. And I went to the show they had that Steve Harvey cracking up people name. Yeah. Ronin Globo spectacle, the Super Bowl has and. Been getting bigger and bigger as years move on Ed, I guess everybody's braced for the halftime show at maroon five to see what they do. Oh, gosh Armageddon. Armageddon. Yeah. I have. You know, we we had Janet Jackson adjusted Timberlake. A few years back got kinda gotta got a little bit more notoriety than the game. And maroon five in Atlanta when they bypass Atlanta artists. Put them on. So that didn't go over well with the locals, but I liked five. I'm looking forward to the show starred they're about ready to release for two days gone with the wind on the big screen, man. I can't wait I'll probably show up for one of those. But may I really appreciate you. Joining us from the capital of the south Atlanta, Georgia man, have a great game and be well, man. You're awesome. Thank you. Thanks for having me. The pleasure. Have a great day. You do the same d- Orlando Ledbetter, man. Really appreciate DO. Joining us. I've contacted some writers. They don't have time. But d- Orlando Ledbetter makes time for his former Cincinnati inquirer. Cleveland native former Cincinnati Enquirer sportswriter. Now, do an unbelievable job is the Atlanta Falcons beat writer for the AJC where I spent a month of my life at the ninety six Olympic Games, who what an awesome city this chick Ludwig. And you're listening to seven hundred wwl w. The spiritual journey is the unloading of fear in the acceptance of my friend begin your journey now and accept your love for me. He says what needs to be said let him like the way tomorrow at twelve noon on seven hundred wwl. How's your resolution going less than thrilled with your gym before your lack of motivation.
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on KTKR 760AM
"Possessions during the game. I wanna go something. You don't lose to the paper. This the most data won the Heisman. Nobody stop it. Now. You know what? Okay. You're not. You know, what Alabama's gonna do to you guys wall? Shaken just take it about fifty died sixteen vital uncle earn. I wanna point this out that I didn't bring up the Heisman Arnie did. So whenever you tweet BS like, please, don't let planks speak about Cuyler in the Heisman for more than three and a half systems seconds. I didn't wanna bring it up because it just I mean, I'm sorry. I would love to see that moment where someone says, hey, listen, we heard Arne Spaniard the other night on FOX. And we're just going to go ahead and give this trophy back because it just never happens. And the funny thing is when you say he's merely a system quarterback. Yeah. Because system quarterbacks go number one in the draft like Baker meow jamarcus Russell, no one called jamarcus. Russell a system quarterback. You just can't throw large implosion say well jamarcus Russell no-one called him a system quarterback. He was an athletic freak that Al Davis fell for. But. Yeah, here's the other thing. Thing. I tried to be nice and let you apologize. This is what I get for that. Go ahead. Well, there's no need to apologize. Believe me. There's plenty. I mean, the only thing he apologized for was a tweet that I guess you dug up. I got you. I heard it from. That's that's who I heard it from in fact, it's very funny because last night, we know we only got a minute left. But Arne sends me a text at about ten thirty or so, and he asked are you there? And I said what's up, and then when he tweeted back and meet you just tweeted that cue word, and that was it. I was like, okay. What are you mad about it? He said Murray tweeted that in two thousand twelve like, what are you? Are you calling me that would you were pointing out the cue word that he I just wanted to see what your take was before. I went on the way you had to say. Yeah. I just I I think that the I think major league baseball should be at him and not allow him to come play. I think he should be forced to come back to college for another year and learn from his lesson. I think that that's that's the best thing to do say. Listen Cuyler, you need some more seasoning, go adult up one more year to Oklahoma play another year football. And then maybe you can realize the wrong of your way. That's what I think should be the punishment. Eddie. Black and white picture of me, and my old lady that was taken a World War One. Yes. It was not taken in World War One right now when we come back to the Geico Fox Sports radio studios is is today. A great day for the NFL is today a week that we'll be talking about with some of the fantastic finishes. Someone the wild moments or is today a magnification of maybe the NFL being a little bit too watered down. We'll talk about next with Artie and playing on Fox Sports radio..
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The Dan Patrick Show
"And now we've got a shot of Washington to possibly win the title. I don't know if we're gonna do it. But at least we have a shot, and that's all you're looking for. Thank you, Chris Sean in South Carolina. Hi, sean. Hi there. Dan, sixty two twenty five I'm here to help. But reason you ask why a Orion always seem to not meet expectations. The reason is the expectations are too hot. He is not the greatest of all time. He's not even in the discussion with Joe and with Tom. He has a marvelous arm so jamarcus Russell. And so did Jeff George but the name of the game is winning quarterbacks? Most consequential position when regarding winning and winning cuts across all eras. So now it's easy for five thousand yards. But if you look at how quarterback we ins against his competition during his time, Tom Brady indisputably the best of all time. And thank you, Sean. But I'm not asking the bar that I'm setting for Aaron Rodgers. It's not that high. I'm just saying you got to win a couple of games on the road. And he's got nine playoff wins. He's he's got ninety eight wins in his career. He's probably got what fifty losses his interception. Touchdown interception ratio. Is you know, mind boggling, but you've got to win a couple of these games because you're Aaron Rodgers even if you have Mike McCarthy, calm place. Yes. Mclovin. Just say it. He's this generation's jamarcus. Russell that obvious. Hot. Fritzie. What did you learn today? Even if they make the playoffs you're not so sure John Harbaugh back as the head coach. I wonder I wonder mclovin, Peter gang floated Matthew Stafford to the Jags Seton O'Connor lines get rid of Matthew Stafford how about that. Well, at least consider it as what Peter King was saying polyester, Pat, forty said the USC football fans have checked out. Yeah. I could see that. Fritzy? What did I learned? It raiders are still trying to put four quarters together. Coach Gruden thinks may have something to do with him. It's on me. These the southern accent? He's got there..
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on KDWN 720AM
"Not is he'd seriously not the worst starting quarterback? Besides jamarcus Russell, of course to ever play in the NFL. Yeah. I don't think anybody's ever put out those kinds of bats and Abby three to one touch beverage options compared to Jason defensive maybe four to one. Who know the bits for everywhere where who's going to score more touchdowns the bears defense or Peterman and sure enough the bears defense beat them at two two touchdowns for Chicago. That would probably be right on par with what the giant would get this week feeder bed, but the starter for about that's the thing. I'm not a camper. Van perfect like, football wise, or politics wise, I'm going to get out of that part of it. But the truth of it is there's no doubt that if you're actually trying to win you're starting cabernet over Peterman. You're starting a lot of quarterbacks quite frankly over Peterman. I mean, I think that's pretty much proves it right there. There's something going on with that situation. We have a caller we want to get him in. We've got a couple of minutes before the break. We want to jump in real quick. Let's see caller, Adam. Thank you for calling. What's up? Jason. I have a dilemma now, I'm getting my take on plenty of Ben Rothlisberger. And I don't know if I play Matt Ryan he's playing the Browns. Cincinnati. Wow. That's an interesting one. You know, because you're getting beat up by Ben Rothlisberger. I think you got to take your best shot. I think in that scenario normally drew Brees would be the safe play. But I think it's Matt Ryan this time. I mean, you gotta Browns team. That's not very good. You got a secondary. That's banged up. Award might be playing might not could be a huge Julio day. I mean Julio finally got in the end zone last week. Congratulations damn Johnny hear here opinion. I think both are good options. I mean last week I went they went for like thirty three and thirty four between the two of them. But I go Matt Ryan this time to be honest, Johnny. What do you think? I do actually I I think on that. I think that the Browns defense..
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The ThomaHawk Show
"But the fact of matter remains once you get out there you the perform or you don't right. I was scared to drive a passer practice. It's one of the reasons I retire being Zayed's filling like practice every day was a game. And it was going to get me cut. I had to get rid of it felt like I played seven games a week because every pass was that important to me, I would drop a pass and it would ruin my entire week. No matter where I was because I didn't think that she has just come back because it took me so long to get that chance. We can't keep doing this song and dance. Someone has to be the big boy and say, okay, cut your losses. Put the kid back as a backup put him as a third put him on the practice squad. Whatever it is. I'm not saying get rid of the kid. Stop starting him in the football game. It's again, it's a slap in the face of the game of football at this point. 'cause he's not ready. It's not his fault. He's not ready. It's your fault that you're putting him in. And he's not ready. Oh boy. From my. That's brutal. All right. Well, hey, next question are the Vikings for real or are they frauds? I don't think anybody can figure out this team right now. I don't know, man. I don't know Kirk cousins is the young Alex Smith. They're gonna probably laying around nine and seven eight eight seven and nine something in that vicinity. I don't they they're good one week bad to next. I don't know. What is the first some context from before? Joe you got to your answer. So they kinda said they sacked Matthew Stafford yesterday ten times there's only ten it really wasn't that great of a performance. But then on the flip side. Now, he didn't have to do a time. But Kirk cousins only through for a buck sixty six he had one touchdown one interception. So their offense didn't exactly like the world on fire. This is what I love about Kirk cousins when he puts up good numbers. They always lose when he has terrible numbers. They win. You know, why? Because this is a team that's going to win or lose with defense. Kirk cousins is not the type of quarter. Back that can lead your team singlehandedly victories. He's not drew Brees. He's not Peyton Manning. Tom Brady earn Rodgers you name it. He's a guy that's going to put up good numbers for your fantasy league. When you when he loses, and when he wins, it's going to be mostly because the defense played well, and that's why in my opinion, he's always kind of that middle of the pack type quarterback. So this is exactly the type of game. I would expect Minnesota to win. Great defensive performance. They exact and beat up Matt Stafford ten thousand times Kirk cousins throws for a pedestrian hundred sixty four yards. They run the ball. Pretty well. They win the game. My. My. So what are what are they at the end of the season? I actually still think that they're going to win the NFC north because the Packers don't look like they're very good. You'll lions are calling Chicago is proving being that. Mitchell Trubisky is kind of okay, but not great and Khalil Mack spin a little bit injured. So until he's back to full strength. He's not going to be ripping the ball out of quarterbacks hands the way he was and single handedly destroying opposing team's offense. Where's what's the record? There. Minnesota's five three and one Detroit's three and five and Donna line. Okay. So they'll finish nine and nine six and one will be the record which is pretty good. Nice. Does that win the division? That wins is the NFC north this year. There's no like real standout teams in that division right now. Now, isn't that? I don't know what ain't registered. So we'll get next week. Joe? You gotta stud. All right. My stud of the week. Does not come from the NFL actually comes from the CFL? It is the Ottawa red blacks own office of line. Because after he scores a touchdown. He gets the celebration. Maybe of all time and goes into the stands re runs over to his girlfriend and grabs her beer at just slams. It takes it to the house. I love that and forever in my career. I always thought that if I scored a touchdown..
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The ThomaHawk Show
"Going to be scrutinized everything that happens. It's going to be analyzed by everybody in every creek in crevice of it. He's still showing up that being said when someone shows us that. That they are not don't have the ability to perform in one of those coveted spots. We should move on. There are people out there. And we don't gotta name specific names. But there are better options at quarterback. And there are other people whose didn't have this kind of leash. There are other players who will never get the opportunity that probably would be better options for the Buffalo Bills. And I'm not crazy for saying that the Buffalo Bills think that they signed Derek Anderson from a golf course to come in and start right? A win. Derek Anderson is old as me, and you and where ninety seven years old, right? So I'm saying all that to say it's not about the kid is about the performance it. It's about the sanctity of football, which is a boy best players play. If we're going to ruin that. And one of the thirty two most coveted positions in all of sports. You are ruining the game. Something you guys like you and me have devoted our entire lives to probably could have been a Broadway superstar Joe I. You know, the legal counsel at the White House. Joe I could've been a brain surgeon. Fixing all kinds of rain diseases, right? You. I'm just saying I'm not this is nothing personal. It's about the game football that I really do love because I've devoted my life to everything to the game of football. It just doesn't make sense to me. I'm going to get off my rant now. But yeah, glad. Glad you off your soapbox. I'm just going to give you a couple of stats from this weekend. I'm gonna I'm gonna push back. Just a little bit right? Peterman. Thirty one to forty nine not bad completed sixty three percent of his passes. Eight rushing attempts for forty six yards averaging over four yards a carry five point eight yards. What do you say about that Andrew McMahon? I gave reference on Twitter of of Nathan Peterman it. He's he's eleven at what what he had an eleven percent interception rate. What are you trying to? NFL history. Right. And they're not all his fault. Most he doesn't have out of town around him. He doesn't have any talent around him like he's depleted at wide receiver Leshan McCoy is out. The old line isn't great. He's a young kid that was thrust in there in front of a quarterback last year who was the season veteran and had his team at six and three record. So he's been put he's been. Put at like in a disadvantaged situation. You're by the powers that be not his fault..
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The ThomaHawk Show
"But like you mentioned they're sort of that five hundred team right now. And I think the expectations are higher than that. But I I definitely feel the shot. He's going to give them another season. Because I don't think Lamar Jackson is ready to take over as a fulltime quarterback. I still think they have a lot invested not only from a salary standpoint. But from an organizational standpoint and Joe flacco he's still Super Bowl winning quarterback. They're still going to want to give him the benefit of the doubt every last opportunity or they dumped them, and I truly think that they're going to at least give them the rest of this year. And then the beginning of next year if things go south at the beginning of next year there they'll give them about eight games. And then at that point. It's a decision. All right. We're going to get rid of Joe flacco if he's not performing well, and we're gonna make this Lamar Jackson. Team. And with Joe we will also dump John Harbaugh, but I still feel like because of the Super Bowl wins because they're not a bad team. They're just under achieving based on their expectations. I feel like they'll give him another twelve months to try to fix. This is Joe flacco a free agent at this season know, I think he's still under contract. We'll go to the researchers say, I don't know we don't when one moment, please. We don't have any of these researchers are it'll wake up this early. But I mean, I'm not joking. Terrible quarterback. I mean we've see terrible quarterback play. Joe flacco isn't doing it. But he doesn't have any weapons around. I'm just saying time for a reset. There's just nothing there. Like, there's no hope you never look at the ravens and say oh this year to win the Super Bowl. He didn't say that in the year that they won the Super Bowl. Right amazing thing about that the year they won. It was like, oh, they got no chance they fired their office coordinator, it was like turmoil. Sudden they fired off this string of wins. They win the Super Bowl. And that's fine. It was like a perfect storm. Because Joe flacco was going to be an unrestricted free agent. He was playing lights out and he did win the Super Bowl. So he can't get a contract. Then there's no time ever he's going to be able to get a contract. So that's why they had to lock into the contract with Joe flacco. But since then there hasn't been with the exception. Maybe a couple of years where you're looking at the ravens the real Super Bowl contender. Like a drew Brees. Even in all the years. He was going seventy nine and and not having success. They were always a contender because they had drew Brees and Shawn Payne. That is just not the feeling of the ravens anymore. Right. So I when you get to that point it's time to try something new hit a reset button and bigger out. Okay. What can we do to rebuild just to put us back on the right track? Because if you're just going middle, the pacman or the middle of the pack you might as well be finishing last and getting top draft picks. Because now hanging in Middle middle of the pack. pack. First rounders flacco is a unrestricted free agent in two thousand nineteen is he really yes, that's interesting. Well, there you have it. Then maybe they let them go. I think that's a that's a great point. I retract my hot take. Oh, hot take retracted. Yeah. All right. Well, let's jump into the no huddle. Actually, I was wrong about Joe flacco contract. So let me let me back looking at. I was looking at a previous one..
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The ThomaHawk Show
"Oh my God. You're the jamarcus Russell dads. Right here. That is a good one. No as soon as I heard this story. It reminded me of a story that I heard during the draft process. And I don't think it was jamarcus. Russell I think it was another quarterback in my draft class. And I don't exactly remember. But one of the. Draft day plot where they gave him a playbook into the they put a message at the industry. If you read the whole to the playboy. Yeah. Yeah. Bo Bo callahan. callahan. Reads through the money back to. If if it actually happened to you Joe but continue though, thanks for your still my story. So basically this team gave all the quarterbacks they were looking at like the playbook to learn read it or whatever and they put like hundred dollar bills in the middle or towards the end of all of those play books to see who opened it up. And like, you know, actually, did what they said they were going to do or and then who's going to be honest about it when they brought him back in for their next meeting. And you know, most of the coaches they were like surprised that of course, none of the quarterbacks opened up their playbook, and they all acted like. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was I was in my notes, I was deep in there. It was great. It was good stuff. Those blitz packages were crazy. Wow, you're playbook is so great coach and hoping because there's so much. Magic but this playbook all right next one. All right guys next one our final one of the day till the ravens yesterday, they lose twenty three to sixteen to the Steelers. It drops them to four and five on the season. John Harbaugh had to address his job security after the game. He's being asked questions about if this is is he on the hot seat is this last year? The ravens sort of had this good start their defense was playing really well, and they really kind of fallen off lately. So you know, nobody knows how much longer Joe flacco is going to play. They've got Lamar Jackson sort of in the wings there. But you know, guys at my trip owners, are we sort of witnessing the demise of this ravens team that feels like it's been they've had Joe flacco John Harbaugh. All these guys there for what feels like fifteen years. I we starting to witness. Maybe the downfall of this version of the Baltimore Ravens yet. I think they have to bench. Joe flacco the reason that the Vince Joe flacco because it's the only way to save Harbaugh's job. Because no matter what they are. The ravens aren't going to win this division. I have the Pittsburgh's going to will it win it or if the Bengals can figure out what's wrong with AJ greets foot. They're going to win it. And the ravens aren't in the business of winning eight games year seven games a year. That's just not what they do. They went to win Super Bowls. They wanna be in contention and less. He gets a spark out of a Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson comes in. And he wins five out of eight. And he looks like a better quarterback than any of us imagined. They might say like oh, great pick. Here. We have a chance this is a new regime new reset. Let's start over with that. Otherwise, if he rides it out with Flaco, he's going to go down when flacco leaves. He's going to be edited to maybe even sooner. So you think they're gonna dump flacco after the season. I don't think he's going to be. No, I I would put half a million dollars that flacco would not be the quarterback of the ravens next year. Yeah. I'm not sure I'm really kind of down the middle on this. When I feel like this. The owner Steve shoddy is patient and he's gonna give John Harbaugh. The benefit of the doubt because he did win that Super Bowl, and they are still a pretty good team..
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The ThomaHawk Show
"Firework cameras here right now, I was stick my whole hand down your throat and try to rip yourself out because he was so that style. AG going. What would have been saying? I I need to know Sean was trying to say to Aaron right there. Like, it's okay, man. You know, like we were close. We'll get him next week. You know, this was he saying I with air because I've been in that situation. Get Doc this is guy. it the shock is is a good guy. You know? I love the shot Greg really good kid. But as an older guy on a team like I could I remember been in that same situation. Mike where it's like a a rookie is trying to tell me something about what went wrong, or where do we go from here? And I'm just like oh gosh. Get away from kid. You're thinking to yourself. Yeah. Thanks for the formation buddies fourteenth year in the NFL. I think what's going on here. Right. Oh, hey, my big question from the game. And I'd love to throw this to my my friends at the Tomahawk show should Tom Brady be benched for his lack of effort blocking on that that throwback play that they had I think it came back to James white. So they snapped it handed off to Ataman Elleman like fake the receiver jet sweep and then threw it back to James white, and then he had a convoy of blockers in front of him. Right. And he was one of those blockers. And if he would have made his block with any effort at all James white would have walked right into the end zone. But he looked around like hawk used to do when he was out there. You didn't see anybody that he could block and then tried to like fake like he was running into the end zone and at the last minute pretend to block somebody. So that lack of effort should or should it. Not get Tom Brady benched. I'm gonna say no I shouldn't get him bench because he's Tom Brady. I'm going to say, yes, it should get them bench. Because anytime we can get destroyer starting to game Hoya the destroyer. I'm all in. I don't know about watch games more intently than when Brian Hoyer is the starting quarterback. That's my quarterback. That's my QB one from now until the day. I die number three. He shouldn't get bits because he did me in favor because had. Sweet feet white scored on that play. It would have put it would've given Julian Adam and a touchdown pass which would have ruined my chances to hit seventy three sixteen. And there was it was with a minute left in a game. I was at like seventy three seventy eight. No, I was little I think I think I I finished. finish like seventy four point eight zero. But I was I was like a yard away from hitting the jackpot on the Tomahawk show listener league own my gosh that would have been amazing. I started at he'll who didn't play. Starting quarterback. Would you defend Moore yourself? I would've loved it myself. We'll take it out of Tomahawk budget charge. You Joe signed me up. Yeah. How about that? So that was pretty interesting. I enjoyed watching Tom Brady. And then after the game he talked about it where he came up with this elaborate excuse about. Well, I didn't know if I was down field or if I was a legal blocker. So I felt like it was better to stay out of the way. And then at the last minute, I saw the sky, but it was too late to block him. And then I was like shit. I coulda blocked him and got James in for the touchdown. You like the most phony like I tried to block him. But I didn't see him explanation. I've ever heard. So I'm gonna call right now here on the Tomahawk show week nine podcast that Tom Brady should be bench for lack of effort. And okay. Putting a bad example out there on film for his teammates for his young impressionable. Teammates, you really on the Browns bay because you're trying to get Tom Brady bench. So we can get them. And you try to get Andy Reid fired for Pat Mahomes by the ball at a great point. You know when when? When young quarterbacks make dumb decisions like this. It just falls back on the coating. And I don't think Andy Reid. We should have to put up with watching this poor clock management from we we I mean. Stanford..
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The ThomaHawk Show
"I'm not an analytics guy, I'm not a science data and performance coach. But when you're out of football, and you try to go back in full speed with a bunch of guys who have been doing it, and they're already conditioned in been hitting people. And you're putting yourself in a higher risk of injury. Like coming off the couch to try to jump in week eleven to play against the crazy schedule at the Pittsburgh Steelers have down the pipe, which is ridiculous. Like we read it off yesterday on my radio show. But it's he could probably he'll probably would've born danger by not showing up and not getting acclimated early on this year. I'm not going to get even. Even play though. Like like, you said there's no way he's going to be ready to just go out there playing. Well, I don't like what's the point for the Steelers to hold it. Like, why would they bring him? He has six games left. The Pittsburgh Steeler. If I was. Yeah. Here. Ghetto kickoff. Yes. You're going to play. Here's fifteen carries a game. Here's twenty carries a game or any like. Yeah. Like, I'm getting what I can't add to you. If there's a chance that you're gonna leave me, and I'm going to pay you that money. Of course, I'm gonna play. So do they put him in the wedge on kickoff return? Yeah. Right in the Bill went Fuster heels on punt punt return. Left tackle this week. All right, number three has Oakland already quit on Jon Gruden. Yes. They got demolished by the third street. Our back that's sex forty Niners. Three, dude. I wasn't even watching that game. I turned it on when they were already up thirty one with their their seven three and quarterback. He was getting verified on Twitter yet access. You have you fallen from grace, buddy? So now yesterday the whole reset thing where he just gets rid of everybody coaches included. There was like a scene on the sideline when he'd like fighting with coaches because now he's embarrassed because you're on national television. But I hate to say, but this is a this is a bad. He made man, unfortunately. So the Oakland Raiders clearly can't do anything because he's like a part owner now. So I mean, how many years of this does Jon Gruden get before he's a could be on the hot seat. Live. They gave him a year hundred million dollar deal. So what happens in five years if he hasn't turned it around you? I don't know if it gets you started it all over again. I say if if this what we're seeing right now, I say he gets three years of that that they can't afford to pay him that money. The Oakland Raiders don't have any money. They're the only in football. We losing an NFL team. What if John Gruden takes the entire Oakland Raiders under because of this? They have to file bankruptcy like the other owners. We had to call it. So the bigly we gotta come. Montreal west of the league. But if they never make it the Las Vegas, it just doesn't happen. Nobody to move. What is that? With the stadium. It's just a Tomahawk. Thomas flock, listening audience. All our live shows from the Oakland Coliseum, but I would love to move. If the Vegas stadium is built and they can't use it. I put my name in the hat right now. I will be the Las Vegas correspondent at the time hawk corporation. Corporation..
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The ThomaHawk Show
"For him to pay homage to me in that way. Let me know what kind of man, Michael Thomas. So Joe horn was all about he apparently was just like crying at home watching this celebration. So he's back in the headlines. This. Joe, I think the the buried lead. Right. There is that this celebration speaks to his manhood, and what type of father he is. Does that deep? It's very serious. Someone told me a matter of fact, I was out name by name. Ryan clark. I was we were watching the game yesterday. So we usually watch the afternoon games and ESPN and I'm sitting in the room with like, Adam Schefter, more Ryan dropper. Just just just the holy grail of football analysis. Ryan Clark's take to me as we're watching a game is drew Brees is not top five quarterback of all time. Wow. A bit of a hot take. But as he explained it he was like naming the quarterbacks like which quarterback. Would you take this guy over? So I'm curious. Do you guys think drew Brees at the top five quarterback? You know that that's an interesting question when you say all time like right now he's clearly top five quarterback right right in this generation. But when we're going to start adding in guys like Dan Marino and Joe Montana. Like you start throwing some of those names in there. It's like all right. He probably isn't in the top five of all time. Although he's an amazing quarterback. I obviously I'm taking Tom Brady over him. I'm taking Aaron Rodgers over him. I'm I'm taking Joe Montana over him. I'm taking Dan Marino digging away, and I'm taking probably Elway over him. Geez. Man. Not even Peyton Manning who for a while there. I thought was the greatest of all time. I mean you could easily throw Payton in there. Yeah. This is the most passing yards and be most touchdown passes NFL history. He's not top six you take him over brand far. I would take him over Brett five probably. He was like the row. Now that Bs. Now that I think that's a good point. All right. I'll take Brett farve over him. And Just just like that like that. initially. I was saying drew over Brett because there's a clear bias being that Brett farve is my hero growing up in Wisconsin. He was such a God. And so I'm trying to properly evaluate and remember him because then when he left Green Bay he was he was like the anti Christ plan for the Vikings and the jets drew Brees. Three MVP's in a row. That's unbelievable. You guys. So how much do you guys value completion percentage? So drew Brees is career completion percentage of sixty seven point two this season. He's completing seventy six point three percent of his passes. Like what that's insane. But like overall he's almost seventy percent for his career where do you guys sort of hold that in terms of importance for like all time? Great quarterback stats. I don't know. I think the way the way Mr Clark was explaining it to me. It's like, it's a look and feel thing. Right. It's a you either have incredible numbers or his thing was you have a budget Super Bowls, which means you're a winner or you just had the physical tools that make you the guy which is the marina. Which is the Aaron Rodgers like angered Rogers kind of has a door open, and we'll get into that. Once we talk Packers that depending on how this year goes next year goes the year after that, we might think of Aaron Rodgers the same way it could still go in a bad direction. Just like if he has. Has multiple seasons. Like this year. Even though the numbers are good. I don't know if people will still be like, oh, man. We love era, you know, and it, and it could be the people around him. Right. He's he's a guy who's not going to take a pay cut to up the talent around him and Brady will whether whether the patriots didn't use that money for what they say, they're using imports another story, but you're looking at air Robson these games, and it just seems like he's out there kind of by himself. You don't want the interesting thing. And this is maybe just my own lands that I see things through. But the reason that I don't put drew Brees in the top five is because of.
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The Business of Sports With Andrew Brandt
"The owners were embarrassed by the contracts given out, especially at the top of the draft for the jamarcus Russell is in the Ryan leaves in players like that. And these players were coming to make more than any player in the league Sam. Bradford the last bonus baby fifty million guaranteed in two thousand. Ten. Now we fast forward to the players. Side veteran players are negotiating this agreement. Veteran players also believe rookies, wait make way too much money veteran players are saying, you know, one owners, you're right. They to make too much money. So what happened? They took a hammer sledgehammer to the rookie compensation system. No more of these first round contracts. Like I negotiated one year for Jay hawk was the fifth pick in the draft that have all these bells and whistles like buybacks, like voice like second, signing bonuses, like a whole second rookie pole. Attachment contracts would run thirty forty fifty pages long. These were the hardest contracts negotiate in the NFL top rookie contracts. No more. Every drafted rookie must now sign a four year contract with no opportunity to renegotiate until they've been in the league for three years that creates incredible by for teams, especially when players are doing well younger at in in their second and third years, you get players like Russell Wilson who was playing for six hundred. Seven hundred thousand dollars as a his colleagues of similar value or plan for twenty million dollars. Now you have Dak Prescott playing four, six hundred thirty thousand dollars. Prescott is where his colleagues at Saint level are playing for twenty five million dollars. So it's an amazing value for the Cowboys. They're getting such a cheap accord BAC in they can apply assets to others of the team. What value that is in the rookie compensation system. Again, it is a sacrifice that rookies are making, of course rookies done of his seat at the table. The only people looking at for rookies tend to be agents like CA. The union doesn't seem to fun of helping them. Owners don't wanna help them veteran players. Certainly don't want to help them because that's a pool of money that could go to them rather than the rookie. So hundreds of millions over the course of seven years already have been slashed from rookie pay rookie sacrifice. That's what's happening. These clauses are owners roquan. Smith, as I said, I predict the inner week by August fifteenth. Before we get to our next topic about the NBA in Adam silver, a new partner in the sports gambling space. Let's talk about sports gambling..
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The Sports Reporters
"Hang on lemme finish cam newton two thousand eleven could do it okay sam bradford two thousand ten doesn't do it matthew stafford two thousand nine hasn't done it yet jamarcus russell two thousand seven alex smith two thousand five all right it's about a fifty percent maybe seventy percent percentages of quarterbacks that just turned out to be all right they turn out to be all right but but they're not taking you to the super bowl of all those guys you know there's only one that has gone to a super bowl so far and we're going back over over ten years so i just don't i don't i guess what i'm saying mike is is that every year they take whatever quarterbacks are out there and they pushed them all the way to the top and they say you can't live without them i look at the four quarterbacks that went in the top ten last night and only one of them was significant enough to his college team to get them to to to to the playoffs and not even the championship the rest of them rosen and alan and and lamar jackson and then they couldn't even do it in college so when you say a guide hey man super bowl tennessee didn't win a national championship until peyton manning was gone you can't you can't judge it that way mitch well if they can't lead their team in college to that kind of a level what makes you think that they're absolutely going to do it in the nfl a bunch of reps at a combine joe montana one one famous bowl game how many national champ.
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on WFAN Sports Radio_FM
"You remember how high the nfl was the media as well on brady quinn that he could be the next star quarterback joe montana coming out of notre dame and he only had an okay season and he was the second ranked quarterback you're marcus raza was number one and he was the second ranked quarterback jamarcus russell goes number one overall to the raiders that workout raider fans and brady quinn sat there on draft day i was in new york covering the draft that day and where we will broadcasting from you couldn't feed the players they had them off in an ante room and you got the tv shots from espn of the guy sitting there and they're being picked off and they're going up and you're hugging paul tagliabue and they're coming off and coming off and coming and brady quinn just kept waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and i believe he was like the twenty second pick in the draft to the cleveland browns he is one of those quarterbacks taken by cleveland in the first round who haven't panned out this millenium and i think josh rosen could be that saying he could draft a good drop i just had him going at eleven to the dolphins if he gets to twelve and the bills don't move up to take a quarterback and he's still sitting there i think the bills would take him so he's not getting down into the twenties like brady quinn but i think he could drop down in the double digits and a lot of people adam as the first overall pick in the draft when this season started i would not be surprised if he drops like brady quinn and then i think he could have a brady quinn light career just not a fan don't think he's going to be a franchise type quarterback i actually liked brady quinn more his year in the draft and i had my reservations about gwen he's not shocked that he dropped to twenty two yeah i was shocked shocked that he dropped down that far but i kinda like quaint even more than i like rosen so if you get josh rosen and here's the thing that's going to kill me i guarantee you james ward i guarantee you billy jacques when you and i.
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on The Herd with Colin Cowherd
"He's not accurate period he's a combine superstar he's inconsistent even at the college level against average competition he has a massive bus potential i think he is squarely in the middle of jay cutler and jamarcus russell let's go to lamar jackson he's an interesting player lamar jackson louisville his high end to me is michael vick he is an exhilarating talent he has less than ideal size and he does get impatient in the pocket and take off but he is explosive he throws when given time a very pretty deep ball does lamar his low end is tim tebow won a heisman and sorta peeked his game is really built for college he will be a media sensation because of the plays he can make but i never trusted tibo and i don't would lamar to go into the nfl and to be able to throw oh the ball on third and long that's why matt ryan and breeze brady and rogers are stars it's not throwing on i it's throwing when everybody knows you're throwing i think he is smack dab in the middle vic tibo perhaps a slight lim lean toward tibo baker mayfield who i'm not high on his high end is case keenum accurate undersized marginally athletic good enough arm needs a lot of help to win his low end is johnny manziel undersized unpredictable behaviour runs too much for my taste and really an overrated athlete i do believe it is overwhelmingly closer to case keenum a non bust then johnny manziel a dumpster fire i think there's very little chance baker is johnny manziel i think there's an overwhelming chance he's case keenum if he's surrounded.
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on LI News Radio
"I'm not a big combine guy but you know i just watching him all those years in the acc and then watch and not a great combine on top i mean he's not a guy that's gonna show a lot at the combine to he could be a guy like russell wilson that didn't show a lot and could be somebody but it's going to be one of those guys that you're going to be like oh well you know there's another example of a third round guy or a second round guy i could totally see it happening i think that he has to think he has the tools if he can be molded a certain way i mean he he's one at louisville heisman winner i just think that he gets talked out a lot yeah i mean he's a heisman where he didn't really win in louisville but he is heisman winner i think he gets i don't think he gets talked about a lot because he's he doesn't have the tools the other quarterbacks have right he's an athletic free there's no question about it but we've seen in this league athletic freaks don't always at quarterback don't really translate to winning quarterback you are prolonged quarterbacks tiba i mean it's completely different quarterback at tvos fullback that was playing quarterback i mean i if you look at the size and weight i mean it's virtually the same thing look at the size way too time heisman winner i mean it's yeah it's not exactly the same it's it's the same where you go as you can you got all these compares you know listen jamarcus russell when he came out was a highly touted quarterback i mean you don't really know until you go the next i'm just talking probability while i don't i just don't think it's probable that he's very good i could be i mean there's no i would never count any one of these guys out so resonant.
"jamarcus russell" Discussed on NFL: The Dave Dameshek Football Program
"Because arm strength rose are a thing but he but the throat i mean i is an oppressive is alan is and he's very very rare that's if you can't hit the broad side of a barn will then that doesn't help me all that much either you know i mean it's nice to have a almost have to have a prerequisite i mean obviously if you have a soft arm you end up being match shaab through and pick sixes at the end of his career and you know people just jump routes to quickly but you don't have to have a howitzer while it is the because there are so many examples jamarcus russell jay cutler even distinguished nfl career but i think people generally would say it was a little underwhelming in spite of having that hose on them and of course you were tied in early with joe flacco you had a hand in bringing him to pit to to for the showdown with tyler palko that that he wound up what he wound up a blue hen he's a he's delaware transferred to delaware after two i was just making sure that i had the mascot right there yeah it's fascinating because you see in games matt stafford two thousand seventeen making throws that literally only four or five other human beings can make same thing goes for ben rothlisberger and a handful of other guys but it's hard to quantify how essential arm strength is it seems to me that in the twenty first century we are overly fixated on now i know this is a minority opinion here but we oh but we obsess over accuracy above everything else because of peyton manning drew brees and tom brady now all three of those guys are hall of famers in three of the all time greats but there are different ways to skin a cat right cam newton ben rothlisberger not lethally accurate but of course they are perennial winners to right i mean don't we over about don't we over estimate the need for dead point accuracy on some level yes and no i mean i do think to correlate with that it depends on what sort of system your.