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Hour 3: A Giant Misunderstanding

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Hour 3: A Giant Misunderstanding

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Sirius xm channel eighty. And of course. You're smart speakers. Keyshawn jalen zubin are all out there presented by progressive insurance. I'm jen ladda. he's bart starr. We're holding it down for the whole bar. Start off talking about the barscott. Obviously going back to my wisconsin gonna be bar star star star. You guys think. I was named out until she was like no. That's your dad's name. Oh sorry your named after your dad. Probably a star as well. He's bart scott. i'm jen. let's see what happens when i go into autopilot in the morning Let's talk about those giants. We just had a conversation of whether or not they are in a win now situation. I think you've got a couple more years not a long leash not a long leash. But i don't know if this year is the year that you cut bait on danny dimes. But yesterday the giants were in the news because of course there was a huge team brawl at practice. The first padded practice. It started when. Evan ingram retaliated after a late. Hit two running back corey clement. Daniel jones was pinned during the brawl. He said he wasn't injured in the fight. And he said that players got the message from judge. Let's hear from danny dimes. Who downplayed the fight afterward. Or just competant and Everyone's excited i ipad. Get out there. We're gonna do better job Control matt and making sure we're Controlled in our enthusiasm on ninety drawn. You always find house all good. Yeah i think yeah there's consequences for that kind of stuff and that's the way it isn't a game you know if you if you lose your cool consequences team so that was the message in okay. So head coach. Joe judge got real angry. I mean the twitter thread that was kind of announcing this was like never seen. Joe judge this angry. I know you're a former talked to kelvin. Benjamin and you me. This is tuesday for him. But i mean real real angry. Were these guys. Were running sprints. They were doing pushups. And i know that as a former player you've been there you've done the up downs. You've done the suicides. Do you like this reaction from the head coach. You know first of all you know the child abuse at the hands of my high school coach. Yeah the things that he did to me like. This is nothing burger. Listen this is what it's all about right is ninety something people there. It's fifty three jobs so at the end of the day like yeah. We're teammates but you you in front of me in front of my bag. I got a mortgage. I got a family to feed. Listen you got all these. Young whippersnappers jacked up on mountain dew. And i've been on both sides of it as a undrafted free agent. I had to go one hundred thousand miles at every drill and what happens is the first day of pat. You got these young whippersnappers. That's been trying to show and look. Everybody looks great in shorts. Right because it's nothing to grab onto when you're doing drills once it's no physical consequence so you've gotta you gotta do some certain things on day one pass like set the tempo let you know we can do this. The easy way one hardaway so the young so if you wanna come here on jacket my mom knew and we're supposed to fitting up or the third drill but you come at me like his life or i'm gonna show you what type of cap you buy the have because i'm a knock your head off. Let you know that. I got that growing mainstream that you knew this. I'm true to this and so it's about setting statements. We talk third player standpoint. You're showing the other guys behind them on the depth chart that they mean business. You're not just gonna walk away. But i'm talking about from a coach's standpoint. Do you like the coach and again you this more of a college mentality you know. You've got grown. Men who this stuff is is is when your son getting trophy for school or your son. You know getting a fight he. He handled his business. And you got to chastise them because technically is wrong. But meanwhile you you you you looking at did you win one that i but you got you got you got a chest. He wants his level of toughness. This level of competition. The fact that i'm going to so hard that i won't take one step back in camp that listen if you push me i'm gonna push you right now. This is what this is all about this about setting the physical toll and listen to what you don't want get somebody hurts a fine line between that. If danny downes with a guy hurt it could have ruined their season and they had to go to a backup. But if you can get some physicality if you can set at a standard and maybe this is about the offense saying hey man defense job been kicking our ass for two years. I've been here but listen now. We got new leaders here. We got gala day. We got some firepower off inside. You only about to be pushing us around no more right because it's all about marketing territory and setting the tone and that's what that was all about this. Do you think i care about running. I'm a professional athlete. I wanted the best athletes in the world. You'd think me running some honey are they. Say it's gonna hurt me. I can care less. You can work loan. You can't work hard right. You can make me run up here a million times. You can't make me run a certain speed at some point. It gets to the point where i can call the players. Oj's hebei this dude. Got his practice too long. So i could care less and this is some of the funniest moments of my life has been dohrn fights right because what happens is when you fight the guy that's fighting is suspending all this energy and it becomes a. Mimi becomes hilarious when we have to have the running and he's crying and laughing like it's all about moments right and these little moments like this. That gets you through something. Oh man remember slammed on your net made a win. Remember you cramped up because you were running and the fact people are the ones who have to deal with louis c. to me this goes back to what you mentioned which is play fast play fearless but don't play reckless right. Don't make bad decisions. So i want that tenacity. I want that competitiveness. I wanna see that you're the guy who somebody is going to have to rip the job out of your hands in order to get it but they wear the red jerseys four a reason right. It's stop sign. Stop sign right. So if daniel jones up at the bottom of the pile. Somebody did something wrong. And that's why i say these one on ones. okay cornerback and wide receiver. They start going at it and jam each other and pushing each other and stuff. I get it. But if the whole dang team gets in on this and your quarterback is the bottom of the pile. Then you've gotta say man well. What did they dress too much money in that position to have him get hurt at a training camp. But what does that exams do right. How did he get involved in a scuffle because their jersey on. You don't need to be breaking. Nobody up you'll need to be touched by of a fight breakout useful to run to the corner right. You're supposed to go to the respective corner and you're supposed to get out the way and let the real football players. Real physical guys handle their business. 'cause i got to let this love young. Do know that blocked me like that again. After the player pushed me with apollo to play dominoes smack his head off. I don't wanna see. Joe judge doing this type of thing during the season. I don't want him. You know making the guys run and doing push ups and all that. But i think during training camp. It's okay to send a message. It's okay to be like you gotta be smarter than that you've got to be sharper than that like this is when we find tune ourselves for the season. I need you to be better. We've all been there right like this is a young team so their emotional right older teens older vestment. I'm too tired to be sent up here wrestling with somebody. 'cause you no matter what the clock stops and you still gotta get the same plan you got seventy play that you gotta go through. You can find all you want when you guys are finished. I'll be right here on the line right. Let's get it done right. So that doesn't matter like really it's about maturing but right now i it's really not a big deal right. It's about setting the tone and saying you know what you're going to have flare ups right because you got people fighting for their lives right. They're fighting for their football lies. You know they're fighting for their dream and sometimes some guy's gonna go a little bit farther than you willing to go. You gotta check him. You know what i mean. You've made jokes that joe judge is always mad. How does that work during the season. Right if you can't do anything right if a guy is always on you is that's to wear thin. Do you start to tune them out not as white noise white noise. But you don't tune them out because the fact that if he's yelling at you mean that you matter is when he don't say anything to you where you know you're going to come in there and say hey man. Go get your playbook. Coaching need to see. You know what time it is hard knocks exactly so you know what time it is not coaching. You may not holding you to a high standard like him yelling. you know. that's that's fine right. We've all been yelled we. We've been in this business at this point when you get to this level you've been a professional you've been playing football since you're eight. You've been playing the game since you're about you know for twelve years at this point. I wonder how much that translates like again. You hear about it in college about coaches getting on guys and being able to really get in their face and whatnot but then talk about the nfl. And you've got grown men. And and i wonder if there's some point where you go man coming beach be quiet. Shut up there but but the but when you have a young team you have guys that are closer to college. Then you are to professionals. So they're learning how to be professionals right and you have to teach them. It's learning lessons and teaching moments like this that you explain to them. This is why we do it. And if i wanna do that y'all got all this energy clearly wayne practicing hard enough clue. You got too much interesting. He's going to get on the line. Let me get some of that Some of that energy out of you guys. Let's see if you can focus while you're tired. Yeah let's see how they react to it how they respond to it over. There sometimes got some with do giant keyshawn. Jay williams is presented by progressive insurance protecting your business with specialized coverages for your commercial vehicles. Find more at progressivecommercial dot com all. Right let's talk about the nba. The association because this nba free agency frenzy has been a fun one to follow the lakers yesterday announced that they are signing carmelo anthony. I don't know if that took a lot of people by surprise. Obviously so many people familiar with the relationship between lebron james and carmelo. Anthony drafted the same year. They ben pals. They've played together on olympic teams. They've played together on all star teams like in the east back in like two thousand twelve ish round there but never on the same nba team. So it's obviously a big day for them but the lakers also signed kendrick. Nunn they resigned. Taylor horton tucker this on the heels of course of westbrook this past weekend it seems like mellow and westbrook or a ring chasing right now not an issue with that though you told me you don't like the ring chasers. Well not so much not so much like westbrook right. Because i mean he he he was traded right and he's still making a bag right. Carmelo right veteran minimum knowing that he's better than last year but knowing that he's better than that right. Yeah at one point. Carmelo was on the streets and people they know if he can play in portland kind revitalizes his his position because when he was in houston he thought he still was a starter and that class with everybody else. They're dantonio already had a short lease for him because their history so he got rid of him and you know he was out of league month and we didn't think that carmelo can play. But he's the subsidies row. He's a great insight. The microwave vinnie. Johnson comes in and he's gonna get buckets and he's a guy that can come off the bench and spark your team but you know at this point for him to play for the minimum and go jump on the best team to me. That's ringing chasing. Shades of karl malone and gary payton and i got an issue with that. Because you know he's going to be a very small part on if the team wins the championship and i think carmelo and banning when he makes it his game much rather have win a game where he's a huge contributor but at this point. This isn't a narrative where he is in his career. The brody can still be a big contributor. So that's the big difference because they're expecting a lot of him carmelo supposed to be. You know the cherry on top. Yeah last year. Anthony had one of his most efficient scoring years. Fifty field goal percentage fifty percent from the floor which ranks a second best in his career. He's morphed into a useful role player off the bench in limited minutes. And if they can use them that way. I think he can be somebody that they can turn in certain situations. I'm more interested in how lebron and westbrook play together. Seemed to be two guys who like to have the ball in their hands and if they can figure out a way to coexist on the floor. Now the interesting thing is and we put this on the espn milwaukee. Excuse me we put this on the kishan jalen zubin. You see. I went into awesome. Is it right there talking about my own show. Espn milwaukee we put it on the keyshawn. Jay williams zubin poll. We're asking all the guys out there who are trying to win their first. nba title. Who for who you pulling for chris. Paul carmelo anthony. James harden or paul george. Which player are you rooting for to win their first. Nba title bart scott. What say the people for me. I love james harden because the narrative about you know. God who i think should have one more mvp sandy. He isn't a guy that can ever win a championship at one point. They said that about lebron. He was too passive in know when he threw the ball. Down your in the corner and then take the big shot in the narrative about james harden the selfridge guy but i think he showed us as levels to this and also showed us that he evolve his game when he needed to be he. Just how the people on his team when he was a houston. They respected their basketball accurate. But it's a tremendous amount of respect for kevin durant and kyrie irving the fact that you know kyrie irving came to him and say hey may the captain here you the point guard. I'm gonna play off a you because the team is better. Does that you know that he's going to be a major contributor to a championship team. You know the brody you know. I'm not so much. I know that all these guys are trying to position himself to be on a super team but i just like james harden i like his story and i think it's time that we you know hushed just because i think you give him a championship he he's on a move. You know pretty soul to your favorite top ten a basketball players to ever do it. It is on our keyshawn. Jalen zubin twitter account. Which player are you rooting for to win their first. Nba title poetry percent of all right now are saying carmelo. Anthony fifty percent. And that of course includes are stephen a smith who says he is rooting for mellow to succeed in los angeles. A banana boat crew. He's the only one has never been in the nba finals. Cpt was just date way. Got three lebron got full. I want to see mellow in the finals. I'm rooting for the lakers. Now more than ever. I'm a new yorker. I okay mixed bursts new york always but dammit mellow who y'all loud. Y'all was finished years ago but at does brother right here. Bigtime edition for the lakers. With ad would russ with lebron. Nello gives them open shots. Now look at you. Look at congrats on men mellow for this man. James so much in last i checked brooklyn was in new. York wants nuclear exports. Better way. can't go across town like that If you want to get in on this conversation or any conversation we're having here on keyshawn jalen zubin. You can let us know we take the calls at eight eight eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven to nine. Thirty seven seventy six. We've got jay in chicago on the line. Jay i'm guessing. You wanna talk about the moves that your bulls have made good morning jay. Good morning. listen. I'll answer your question. I'll give them my point Mellow coulda had a championship came to chicago. So bucknell okay but let me get to my point. Everybody's talking about la. Let me tell you what chicago is the winner of free agency right now on paper. I got chicago no worse than the four seasons east milwaukee and miami above them and they all the reason i'm saying brooklyn i mean Milwaukee's giving them respect. But the way i look at it is. Pj talker left and you know how to win your daddy driver ride a bike and you're good until he lets go and you realize he's gone and you fall. That's exactly how i think milwaukee's gonna be don't disrespect chicago and let me ask you. One quick question bar asked me how i feel about this upcoming nba. How do you feel about this upcoming season. Sir i tell you what i mean you can look at it. I mean you can look at arguably what washington has done. He's saying washington may be able to push the bulls. I think they're pretty similar. I think we just look at the fact that you know that russell left. You didn't look at what they gotta return mantras hurled who has been an all star in this league kouzmin. Who's a guy who's been about potential but also bradley bill is there. Maybe that's enough to make make him stay. But you know. I don't know if this moves in the move. Chicago's made will put them above philadelphia. Philadelphia's i think is a better team you know. We talk about ben simmons. We don't know where that's going to go but to buy his hair's still there andre drummer. Who's another big body to replace the white our in joel embiid. If stay healthy would've been mvp of the league. So i'm not ready to push chicago like i like. I said i still got him. Seven for eighth. In ease people. Forget about how good charlotte was before lamelo injured and all the debt that they have their in bridges and and and rosiere. And hey were coming back healthy. That's the team. So it wasn't just because they've had the most exciting off that's because they had a lot of holes and they needed to improve the other teams that need to make those types of moves though splashy moves because they're already solidify and a little bit ahead of them in their process as far as their rebuild. It kind of goes back to what we talked about earlier today. About how the steelers you know. They said that they had the least impressive. Offseason didn't have to do a whole eleven. oh all of a sudden the jaguars like oh. They had the most impressive offseason. Yeah you had the number one overall pick. Oh the jets had one of the most impressive offseason. So yeah the number two pick like i see where we're going here similarly in the nba. All guests join us. On the goodyear hotline. That's where we heard from jay. I do think that jay in chicago was overestimating. Pj tucker's influence and not influence but contribution of point it wasn't it was a black hole. Offensively okay yes. He played tenacious defense. And he good defense man he really. He really held kevin durant down the average forty five hundred series. I mean he played great defense other that tenacity that nastiness that you've got to bring to the nba final. But again we brought him in as as a bucks. You know reporter. We brought him in as a corner three specialists. He averaged less three per game. We'll be bruce bowen. He was supposed to be at a lockdown deal the wings and be be multiple. Be great in pick and roll. He's supposed to knock it down the bowtie brother. We got him bruce barnes. He didn't live up to that part of it unless he got out of town the right time he sees the train go. He knows how hard it is to repeat. You put him out there with miami and now instead of having one dog. Their whole starting fiber had plays. Today's defense. larry. Whether it's bam on a by you so i think you'll fit right in there know just worry about. Pj and south beach saying. There's a lot of distractions out. And i said you know. I never discount keep more. I never go riley after the team disappoints which the miami heat did last year getting balanced in the first round by the milwaukee bucks we will continue talking about the nba and all of the free agent frenzy but go ahead and weigh in on that poll question which nba player. Are you rooting for to win his first nba. Title the obvious answers are chris. Paul carmelo anthony. Paul george and james harden go ahead and weigh in on that Let's see here we've got calls coming in keep getting us your calls broderick in atlanta. You're on with keyshawn. Jalen zubin bart scott and john ladder filling in good morning. Broderick roy the way in on on the leg audition onto a anthony. I was one rate for losing with lebron with the crew. On kinda see exactly how him and we're gonna fit in together is gonna come out or they're gonna put them in the starting line. Kemalists is definitely coming off the bench. That's a role in which he's thriving had one is best seasons in a long time after thirteen points shooting over fifty percent. But when you talk about westbrook think we had the same questions about how was rondo. Going fit because rondo was a guy that couldn't shoot. You know he shoots a little bit better than west but we had those same issues. What rondo provided for the lebron was opportunity to take a break right. Lebron we saw bryan not playing great defense as they used to because he has to take time off because he has to facilitate the offense and initiate the offense you get a guy like the brodie whose averaged a triple double for three years of his career. He's able to capable of facilitating. The offense and bringing a ball was takes a lot out of a guy like the brian his advanced age. Now so it gives him a blow and then a brody when lebron's not on their can kind of set the temple start the break. He's a guy that still plays at a high level. He's the guy that plays with tremendous in energy and competitive. So i think that's really what works to do. They'll figure some time. I'll to kind of you know. Put lebron on the bench earlier that him get an early blow and let you know the brody be aggressive because they occupy the same space right. You know lebron's better shooter but you know being beginning to the paint were. Anthony davis lives. You know is going to be where westberg lives as well keyshawn. Jalen zubin is presented by progressive insurance. He's bart scott. I'm jen ladda holding down the four. You can give us a call way in any conversation. we're having rescue which. Nba player will win an nba title. I chris paul paul george carmelo anthony or james harden eight eight eight say. Espn eight seven to nine. Thirty seven. seventy six. We are heading to cleveland with a full report. From brown's camp. That is next keyshawn. Jay williams zubin on espn radio and the espn app. Standoff shop you'll try to pick up the first four thirty forty goodbyes child. This is key shown jalen zubin express is all new and made to express you from the stretches teams in the game to confidence boosting suits that. Feel like sweats. Discover new arrivals at express. Shopping expressed dot com or in stores. These days the sports headlines are full of new records being set at world-class speeds. 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Usa's women's basketball team defeated australia. Seventy nine to fifty five they move on to the quarterfinals stateside. It was a very busy day in the nba steph. Curry gets a four year. Two hundred and fifteen million dollar extension from the warriors expected. Hurry is the first player in history to sign multiple two hundred million dollar contracts and staying in the west. The lakers agreed to a one year. Free agency contract with carmelo anthony. Anthony is of course. An eighteen year veteran a ten time all star but he has never made it to the nba finals. Sportscenter is brought to you by goodyear movement is always driving us forward whether it's on the track the court or on the field every move you make every road we choose to go down. And every single mile marker we pass leads us to find out just how far we can go. Goodyear more driven. Nfl training camp twenty. Twenty one with keyshawn johnson. The cleveland browns baker mayfield in his awesome awesome wide receiving tandem of landry in. Ob bj coming off an aco. People are going to be watching this close come training camp. What is baker. Mayfield like now. Lovie jay is back. We know what they have in terms of running the ball. We know what they have. On the perimeter address lovie jay. Kim baker mayfield heavy successful second season. It kevin fast. He's often pay attention. The defense aside bringing in today quality opposite of myles garrett that can be a force in tandem that we hadn't seen for many years in the national football league is is the biggest season ever countdown to the nfl. Season continues weekday mornings with g. Schon jalen zubin starting at six eastern on. Espn radio and espn two. Oh man my dj's better than yo dj. You know what i'm saying. I talk about it. He just bring it up the boys in a building tonight. You are listening to keyshawn. Jay zubin were presented by progressive insurance. He's bart scott. I'm jen ladder not to be confused with bart starr although you are a star bart scott. That's i rose the star scott. We know from your lips guys that he is being. You hear that nor star we are joined by another star here at espn. Espn nfl insider. Dan graziano you can find him on twitter at dan graziano. Espn he's coming to us live. Well he's not camp now but are you in the hotel. You're in the hotel your head now all right. So what are the bright after. I'm done here heading over there right over there. Just racing right out of the hotel room. I got you get what the browns thing about having louis. J back together with baker mayfield. Dan lewis. I talked to kevin's defence key. Their head coach yesterday and asked him about odell coming back off the injury. He said we're bringing him along appropriately. He said i don't wanna say slowly because he's doing a lot in practice and he'll get into some team drills next week but you know they want to make sure they do right by him and that knee and they feel like once he's back healthy and the doctors have cleared him to play games. They're going to have something that they didn't have last year. Even in the second half when the passing game started to catch up to the run game a little bit in the first year under stefanski they feel like own l. beckham gives them a downfield threat that they didn't have even when they were functioning at their best last year. So they're excited to get him back with baker mayfield and they think that the second year for baker is defense. He's offense it'll show up in that connection with odell beckham. That was missing early last year. What does the elephant in the room. Right dan because the fact is like baker mayfield game to another level when they ran. When ran it through the running game. And how do you find that that necessary balance where odell fills included. But also that you do. What's best for the for the for the football team. I know support for him to get his touches. But you know they had some guys emerged he higgins is one that you know. Yeah odell beckham may have to fight for some rest with well. Look at landry. And they brought back rashard higgins. They drafted a guy named anthony schwartz in the middle rounds. Who's a speed guy. So they feel it's fancy feels like schwartz and odell. There's a downfield speed element that that as as much as he liked the guys they had last year. They really don't offer that so yes. Baker improved in the second. Half after odell got hurt. The browns continued to insist that that's because the he caught up he learned the offense stefanski said we always knew in year one. That run game would be ahead of the passing game especially with no offense. The offense of wine that's built for it. They have nick chubb. they have kareem hunt. The run game was going to work. Baker had to get up to speed and the offense and they really believe that what you saw. The second half was not an issue of it. Got better without odell. It was an issue of it. Got better because everybody was more comfortable in. It remembered no off season. Training camp was kind of weird last year. I took a while for a lot of people with new stuff to get up to speed with that being said then expectations are going to be even higher than it was last year. At what point did i say you know. What maybe we need to pay Baker mayfield because the price is only going to go up and if he wins the division than you know. Let's let's let him set the market and not have to respond to whatever josh allen. Lamar jackson gets because of baker takes him father than those guys as season. he's gonna wanna be elevated in and get more money and those guys get sure. And i would think the browns would tell you that that would be a great problem to have right if they don't get baker done and he goes out and wins. Mvp and they go to the super bowl now. They have to pay him more like the cowboys and dak prescott. I think the browns would be happy because that would mean something. Special happened here this year so i could get this done at some point this off season or this season. It's possible i i know. They don't feel like they have to. You know he has the fifth year option for twenty twenty two can always franchise him in twenty three. So he's still under contract for a while so there have been talks but you know talking to people around the league in these situations. It doesn't sound like this one or josh allen or lamar. Jackson are very very close to being done. You go back a couple of years when the eagles extended carson wentz and the rams extended jared goff you know two years later. Those guys are both traded out. And maybe they regret doing that. The ran's would tell you they read the market right. They knew that patrick. Mahomes into shawn watson. we're going to get market. Busting deals the following summer. And they get. I don't know that you look ahead to next summer. And fear that if you're the browns or the bills or the ravens. There is not a superstar. Aaron rodgers will probably get a new deal. But that's a different kind of thing. It's not like a young superstar quarterback about to break the bank and reset the market. And i think that may be another reason. Why some of these teams hesitating he is. Espn nfl insider. Dan graziano joining us. Morning on keyshawn jay will zubin. He's bart scott. I'm jen lat okay. Obviously they invested heavily in their defense. Right i mean you talk about greg. Newsom he talk about jeremiah. Sue core amoah. Can we realistically expect from them on that side of the ball this year. I think that is when you talk to people here on the coaching staff in the front office. That's the big question. They wanna get answered. This camp how that defense comes together and so much of that is about learning and the communication. That's why the safety. John johnson that they signed from the rams was so important to them as an acquisition in free agency because he has the ability at that position to be a communicator. And help get guys lined up real good locker guy. Real good onfield leader. So they feel like that's a guy that was key to their off-season they knew they were going to have to revamp the defense. It wasn't good enough last year. And what happens up front with clowney. Do they have enough in the middle of the defensive line. They have a lot of questions on that side of the ball. They feel like they have the kinds of players that can help them. Answer those questions but here we are august whatever fourth they have a ways to go and they're still putting it together on that side of the ball so i wondered i. We know what you know. What our expectations are for the cleveland. Browns holiday preparing to handle the expectations are being hunted. And not the hundred because they're not going to creep up on anybody. Everybody respects you. Know the debt in the quality of this of this roster but can they live up to the expectation are they prepare for it. And what are they talking about encounter. i think that's where the leadership aspect comes in when you talk about the head. Coach kevin stefanski the gm andrew berry. I mean these are very if you talk to these guys very even keel people right. And they're very you know very sort of calm communication style and i think that has set a tone here i was. I was here. At brown's camp a couple of years ago. The freddie kitchens year and obviously got very chaotic that season and a lot of people got fired. There's a different feeling around this team. I mean there's just as sort of the sense of professionalism and not to insult anybody who was here. But i mean there's just a different kind of vibe about. They think they're good. They're not getting too excited. Because you know they know they have a lot to prove they still did lose to the chiefs last year in the playoffs and they know they have to get over that hump but i think the right tone is being set by the people in charge to combat what you're talking about in terms of Do you get too excited about the expectations. He's dan graziano. Joins us on the goodyear hotline. Always a pleasure. Dan great to have you on the show. Have a great day man. Thanks jen thanks bart. So last season the browns reached the playoffs for the first time since two thousand two you reference that obviously bart snapping the longest active playoff drought in the nfl looking to reach the playoffs in consecutive seasons for the first time since nineteen eighty five to nine thousand nine hundred eighty nine five straight seasons than not only do. They reach the playoffs last season but they won their first playoff game. Since the nineteen ninety-four four season snapping the third longest active drought without a playoff win in terms of years. Very quickly to you. This is a playoff team right. That is definitely playoff team. Is this a division winner. That's what we're asking. I think you'll you have to understand how the ravens in the steelers view. The the the the browns. They always believed that. The browns are going to brown right. So you'll i think you know the the steelers and the ravens will be the last two teams that realize how good they are or how good they aren't because there's no fear factor that they're not afraid of chubb. They're not afraid of anything that the browns have because they have total lack of respect for them. I mean if all the browns fans out there they were argued that they have been to the playoffs in multiple back to back seasons. They just call the baltimore. Ravens are true. Cleveland browns team. He's on jalen zubin is on. Espn radio espn news. Sirius xm channel eighty. And of course your smart speakers next up it is your turn to weigh in keyshawn jay williams zubin on your smart speakers. All you have to do is say play. Espn radio coming up today. On the max. Kellerman show chargers quarterback justin herber bizarre countdown to the nfl season continues. Justin herber today. 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Dj two sequels known around in circles as a ball he liked print. He liked the prince of rap. Like pull up. Quavo quavo can ball. You're saying like he puts cueva because we bought the to transit basketball. And i'll tell you what man i get better and better every day for work with company bart scott. I'm jen ladda. We're holding it down for keyshawn jalen zubin. We're presented by progressive insurance. If you want to get in on the conversation you can join us on the goodyear hotline that number of course eight eight eight say. Espn eight eight seven nine. Thirty seven seventy six. And you're right. We are going to talk about the association. Because the free agent frenzy continued yesterday and one of the biggest splashes of course was made by the lakers signed. Carmelo anthony now carmelo. Anthony is thirty seven years old. And i saw an awful lot of jokes bart scott about how old this lakers team is. I mean jokers about walkers with tennis balls type of things okay. Is this something that the lakers really need to be worried about. We're gonna get to your calls in just a moment if you want to weigh in on this. Eight eight eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven to nine. Thirty seven seventy six. That of course is the goodyear hotline. Let me lebron is trying to win going against trend right you know. Most people are trying to go young. He's trying to go old. He's trying to go with known commodities guys that he can trust. God's it here for he's friends with. I think lebron started his mortality right. We saw all the greats guys who have been arming like kobe. You guys that get to the end of their career has always been something that you can just pencil. And carl malone gary payton. You know suddenly started get hurt and lebron even over the freak accident. And i don't think it was a wear and tear type of thing. He's understanding that. He needs somebody to carry him now but instead decided to go with a bunch of young guys with energy he wants to go with guys understands how to play collectively as a group in guys that he thinks it has to basketball accurate. That can figure it out how to win now. It's different right because now you're talking about depending on a bunch of old guys and hoping that one come to work one day and say. Oh i've got back spasms that just happens to old people right. They wake up and they a really. Don't know why you know they're injured. And so like you know you hope you put a lot on brodie whose i guess somewhere in between you know thirty two years old hoping that. He still has some prime years where he can carry a team. But o'brien needs a break. Too much is put on the brian. You know he's played defacto. Gm but he's put too much on his plate. He thought that. Anthony davis can be can be wanna start that can be counted. But he's a beautifully flawed a superstar. Right he's a guy that very rarely plays entire season. This is low. Banishment season written all over it. And i guess the commissioner can't complain because technically you have fifteen or eight time all stars plan it just been eight to ten years ago so i guess you can't talk about star power taking stars take time off. There is no question this lakers roster has lebron's fingerprints all over it. But if you want authority if you want input if you want autonomy over the personnel then you're going to get finger-pointing if your ideas don't work and lebron has never shied away from that never shied away from the criticism but it is kind of the double edged sword. Keyshawn j. will zubin is brought to you by dash. We'll get into that in just a moment but let's continue taking your calls here on keyshawn. J. will zubin stephen in new york. You're on with keyshawn jalen zubin but we're barscott and we're jen ladda. Good morning stephen. Good morning how are you. we're good. i saw it. Yeah i read. I think this is gonna go about the the aca minutes players It's super important to be able to have been there before the operate really well under that microscope of the giant wine will i mean mellows. Noah's been there. We all saw what me olympics. I think he's really going to open up the forever and stuff and i think this is that this is kind of universal star. Lebron james has like tom brady last year when he showed up. And he's got one guy then. Guess what other people started calling. It's hard for them to get legs as defense. You know out of young guys who wanna come over. People are gonna get unhappy early in the season other teams. I mean i see this as being a real threat other people whose donald they want make jokes about age and this and that guess what thirty seven year olds can hit three pointers all day. Long and mellows got it so i. I think it's going to be dangerous. The problem is like if they would have hired another old guy instead of mellow thought maybe he would have fit a little better if they would have found a guy like j. J. rettig somebody who lives in brooklyn who may want to go over there to the net. Because he wants to be close to home you know they got somebody like their daily sharpshooter because we saw last year when tame started to sag off on defense in pretty much. Take away the lanes for lebron. He needs spacing so that he can take advantage of that. He needs spot up shooters. Y- carmelo is that but he he also is a defensive liability. Now he's much better defense. But he's not a guy that you think is gonna let lockdown his defender. You know that way so you want somebody. That's a guard. That's gonna open things up. And i don't know if carmelo offers that they maybe try and go get some more. There's more shooting but you know i'd much rather than who would have got like a cow over type of player. That can open everything up a ray allen. Somebody that lebron you know has floors with. And he's trying to put a team together like he had the year before because he tried to go. You've moved in. He realized that bill guys like the white house. Our guys like mcgee was more important to the championship. Then what he believed he thought they were expendable and now he tried to put them back together and brought the white our back well and listen guys know what they're getting when they sign up with lebron james he is going to hold you accountable credit crazy work ethic and he is going to expect you to come with the same level of work ethic every single day but i think a guy like mellow. Who's been friends with. Lebron for years and years and years entered the league in the same draft class back in two thousand three. He knows what. He's getting into veteran minimum. He's been taken that for the last few years. I think he's going to be happy hanging out with guy. I think they're gonna push each other to get can be a very good situation like you said. They're obviously adding spaces there. Obviously adding shooters to fill out the roster. They're obviously looking for guys who are willing to take that bet minimum. That's the weird balance. The weird formula the weird recipe that the lakers have to subscribe to this year. There's gonna be crazy right because you think about like is carmelo that much more of a upgrade or upgrade at all other than marquees. Moore's right because you think similar type of player you'd think marquees got a little bit more like left into his legs. He was a good three point shooter where he was he was a guy that was a three guys. Well so you know. Now lebron trying to have interchangeable pieces and he's trying to get guys to take discounts. I don't know if he has enough guys to take discounts. Or if you've got enough young guys there. This is gonna be crazy right when you think about this team. He's think about the fact that they're going to get the one thousand nine hundred ninety six bulls treatment because it's a star power. What they've been but they're gonna get every team's best you know best shot because you know if if you were a guy that grew up in you start playing basketball in college like in two thousand ten and above then these were your idols your heroes and nobody loves people love taking down their heroes and say hey man. Did you see what i did to this guy. I mean you. Think about alan iverson. What he did to. George with the killer crossover guys are gonna be trying to make these guys means and they're not the players that they used to be and they're gonna have to deal with that same energy of guys coming at them. You know. we remember job iraq coming at at james harden and talking to them like you better know like guys young is going to get up for these guys it is not just carmelo. It is not just russell westbrook the lakers also signing kendrick. Nunn to a two year ten million dollar. Prove it deal. He turned down significantly. More money to chase a ring. His role will predominantly. Be a shooter. You also got me monk. Also shooter you got. Taylor horton tucker who is expected to have a bigger role this year. So again clearly. Adding guys minimum contracts who want to win a championship. We will continue taking your calls here on keyshawn jalen zubin with parks scott and jen ladder but first kishan will zubin is brought to you by door dash. It's the summer of door pass and members are getting ten dollars off groceries alcohol and pet food because summer try door pass for free and get year round savings exclusive menu items and zero delivery fees now in the door dash up terms and conditions apply. So i asked you this very quickly barton. I know that's tough for you. Do they win it. can they win it. They're putting all these pieces together. Can lebron and company do it. It never ends like we expect. We've been trying to get a brooklyn. Lakers finals like a couple of years. I i think you know. They run out of steam. And you'll somebody gets hurt because they oh all right kishan j. will zubin on espn radio espn news. Sirius xm channel eighty. of course. you're smart speakers. Keep getting us your calls. We're taking them all morning long. Eight eight eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven to nine. Thirty seven seventy six. He's bart scott. I'm john ladda we're holding it down for keyshawn. J. will zubin presented by progressive. Insurance guys the nfl season starts tomorrow night. We'll tell you what to expect from the steelers and the cowboys. That and more coming up on k. jay z. On espn radio. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. Fortunately geico makes it easy to bundle your home and car insurance. It's a good thing too. Because having a home is hard work go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Geico dot com easy.

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Hour 1: Heating Up In New England

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

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Hour 1: Heating Up In New England

"Gee sanjay podcast operative word. I think think that's going to happen but perhaps keyshawn jalen zubin. Happy monday morning to wake up. Sign talk a little bit of football. Wake up wake out. My name is shay corn. Don't be sleepy. i'm sorry i'm sleepy. Dudes jay williams and keyshawn johnson. Keyshawn isn't l. a. j. wills next to me Happy to be back with the two that had the names on the show. Hi guys how. How's it a three out there. What's the west coast like right now. Man it was easy getting in. It took me about thirty minutes to get from the creative smooth. What no cars on the road. I was it was good. Because it's the minute you put it this way once. This show wakes up in the format changes. You'll love to be out here and doing the show from los angeles actually supposed to be on vacation. But i knew you were coming back and shay was going to be a part of the show this week so i said what the heck i'm here i might as well. Just try and wake up our show hold on key. Don't be too don't be too rigid. Don't be to format here. Okay we want to make sure there's fluidity with the show. Okay we gotta keep it loose out here. Listed donde on the way in off the grid but i still go back to the old school conway graduation. That's this mentioned girl so like all right. Let's get into a little football. Shall we preseason officially over onto the regular season in the. Nfl got a little week hiatus and then we will be back in full force. But we're going to start with what we saw last night especially from the patriots. So here are the numbers for you. In terms of what mack jones did and cam newton did and then we will make our assessment from their mack jones. Finished of fourteen. One hundred and fifty six yards one touchdown no interceptions while cam newton to five or ten yards with one interception on sunday last night obviously by the cage as presented by progressive. Insurance guests will join. Us on. The goodyear hotline. And so i gave you the numbers. What do you think the head coach bill belichick felt about it. Let's hear from him moving ahead. Two regular season games. Have you made a decision on. Who will start at quarterback in the regular season. You know we still have a lot of decisions and okay saying it. Only the way bill belichick. Can we still got a lot of citizens to make guys in sochi. We'll start with you since you are up in the middle of the night for us in l. a. Lot of decisions to make. What did you see from the two quarterbacks. Let's make the decision for him. Who should start for the patriots this year there there. There's a lot of decision and these may. There's no question about it but we talked about the quarterback spot. You know mac. Jones played well last night. Cam newton d. Whatever he needed to do they. They didn't need to see any more of cam. Newton and one interception. I thought that the defensive back made a hell of a play to go. Get it from jacoby myers but then at the end when you look at everything comes down new veteran leadership and i think that is where bill belichick is leaning towards with cam. Newton he's never gonna give you anything he's going to colleges say we say it. There's a lot of decisions to be made. He's not gonna let you know. The quarterback is a decision has already been made in his mind. He's just gotta tell you. There's a lot of decisions to be made. And i know a lot of people out. There are rooting for mac jones to be the starter will mack. Jones is probably not going to start a week. One he cam. Newton stubs his toe along the way mack jones will be the starter and i think cam knows that the rest of the team knows that bill belichick josh. They all know that they're going to start cam. Newton cam somehow starts to look less than what they expect then back jones will have the opportunity to take over and lead the charge so i agree with key. Think cam newton is going to be the star by the way the video out there of cam chasing down mack. So that for the hand slop i. It's kind of. It's interesting right because it almost feels away even know cam. We'll be to starter shea that it feels like cam is chasing after mack jones. A little bit because it feels like the lease for cam is going to be short. Here's the one thing i do know key is that bill bell is going to try to win the division and try to win every single game so this starts to get a little bit wonky about. Hey we're chasing the bills and we're not there. We should be the way mack. Jones has performed in the preseason. His composure how he played last night. I agree with that. Was not the fault of cam but that lease does feel like. It could get shorter and shorter shorter. Pretty fast no question. It will get shorter. But here's what you have to look at when you're talking about the quarterback position this team is poised like you said to make a run at the division. Once they make a run division they get into playoffs. All bets are off. We all know once you get into tournament anything can happen. They didn't go out there and free agency and bring in a lot of the guys that they sign spend type of money that they signed to all of a sudden. Look up and say well. We're going to build this team and then we're going to get a rookie quarterback and he's going to be the starter. No they signed cam newton at the same time when bright before free agency started because they wanted to put some good around him and see what he was. You talk about mick jones. Having a good preseason fall tissa purposes the other guy had a pretty damn good preseason to and that would be cam noon so i understand that people want the new england patriots and we saw that very well. It's some of the media last week of some of the things that were said by some other people on other stations that hey cam. Newton should take a back seat to mc jones. But it's not going happen right now. Music music suffer okay. It's time for say talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. The first of all i mean. Let's look at the history here last year in terms of a short leash. I'm gonna go along with that with what you said. Jay will last year. We saw bill ballot check in the third fourth quarter of cam. Newton wasn't playing. Well he pulled him. Jared cinnamon put them in. Well the difference is now if you do that. And you put in mack jones. Like you can't go back you can't just rotate. How he did last year right. And so it cam newton now in your to like. He's got some equity built up there in new england. this is not the same for example chicago. Were andy. dalton's coming into this thing. At the same time as jackson fields. Is it similar to. What's going on with the forty. Niners jimmy garoppolo there's equity built-in obviously more with the forty niners than with cam newton but nonetheless you understand where i'm going with this like it would make more sense to start cam newton and then if it doesn't work out you have a viable backup imac jones like this just seems like the logical way to handle this if you're bill ballot check and we also know bill belichick. He's not high on rookies. that's not his thing. He doesn't go out and draft skill position players super high. The somebody does. And he is practical and be impractical as how you have to look at this scenario here so cam last year. Even though he had cova issues and he struggled on the back end was a leader of a team. And i think a lot of there are so many reports out new england. About what kind of leader was. And i don't care what anybody says key when you losing you feel like things are going against you. It's easy to solve camden and do that last year. So look at their first four games if they go against the dolphins the jets the bucks and the saints depending upon. How cam does in those four games. You played a texans with the fifth game that could be a scenario where matt could be inserted depending upon. How cam applies and place. Well look if they are all of a sudden you're one in three already to and they should be four and one somewhere like that. Yes in shay mitch. And that bill. Belichick went to jared stenham last year a couple of times a game out of reach. There was nothing they can do. So why not take a look and say okay go ahead. And that's you know. Let's see jason has. It wasn't yeah the key they got out of range because cam was turning the ball over. And i'm a cam. Newton fan like i. I think he should start as many games possible. I'm just saying those games got outta reach because cameras throwing interceptions. We'll see i'll go back again. He didn't throw seventy interceptions in people. And i'm not saying i'm not going finger you it's early. Make it seem as though he was just serving them up. And that's if you watch the film it was not like that. They changed their entire offense because they had a lack of skill position players to even help him out so they went more to a run boring into the offense second half of the season and they were playing okay with this weird style of the quarterback dive. The quarterback pitched the quarterback option. They just all the different things that they were doing in the run game is what got them to the point where you felt like okay. They may be able to somehow the buffalo game that they lost they were kind squeaking tort making a little bit of a playoff run things kind of fell apart from there. But i think when you look at it as a whole based on what i saw in the preseason and based on hearing out a new england in training camp. He's the guy in his his job. Basically lose throughout the course of the season and like. Let's keep this in mind. You really quick. Like there's a bigger sample size with cam. Newton in the regular season last year and this preseason so far it's easy to say mack jones had better preaching these more like we've barely seem cam. Newton be under center for the patriots during this preseason. That's straight talk. Wireless no contract. No compromise be apart of keyshawn jalen zubin nation on the dr pepper twitter. Feed and call in line. We're asking key jay's enzi on twitter describe your team's preseason in just two words don't go like five or one in two words. Espn nation presented by dr pepper college. Football's back and so are the fans turned up. Glory with fans ville by dr pepper. The ones fans deserve so mack. Jones might not be the only former alabama quarterback they see. Some competition will tell you about that after. Jay has this from draftkings. Football is almost here. 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Only at draftkings the official daily fantasy partner the nfl minimum dollar deposit required eligibility restrictions. Apply see draftkings dot com for details gardner inch you being on the trade bloc was one of the worst kept secrets this whole off season. Knick serianni are not named jalen hurts to starter tens and unmistakable message not done in their quarterback. This is john jay williams zubin keyshawn. Jane willing zubin coming through your airwaves or on. Espn two presented by progressive insurance guests. Join us on the goodyear hotline and we are dancing this morning. Hope you're waking up with us. My name is shay cornet here. With keyshawn johnson and jay williams happened to be back with both two of you here Talking a lot about what we saw in the preseason but also what we saw over the weekend in terms of trades so gartner men. She was acquired by the eagles for conditional sixth round pick. We could talk about what the trade value wasn't a little bit here but this now opens up the question for both teams. What does this mean for the jags. And what does this mean for the eagles and we're going to start with. The eagles side of things here is because obviously we know that they have got joe. Flacco as veteran backup as of right now and starting quarterback is jalen hurts which we have a small sample size from last. Season's now you throw gardner minzhu into the mix and what does this mean before. It gets your reaction to that. Let's hear from tim. Mcmanus or espn eagles reporter on why the eagles decided to trade for garments. You in the first place the way the eagles see it what they spent to acquire gardner minhsiu a conditional sixth round pick spent what they would spend on developmental quarterback in the draft instead they get a proven commodity. Somebody who has thrown thirty seven touchdowns as twenty starts in the nfl and if things go sideways this year with cove. Nineteen is not that unlikely that a quarterback were to would be unavailable in a given week they now have somebody with a proven track record. Who can step in. The eagles love the poor resources into the quarterback position regardless of who the qb one is. We saw work very well for them with nick. Foles stepping in and helping deliver the super bowl title in two thousand seventeen as a backup. Jalen hurts is the projected number one. But they're buying insurance just in case something goes wrong. The only thing. I'll say is what tim. Mcmasters pointed out. Is like like putting insurance into your quarterback room. I did that but like nick foles. Wasn't nick foles when he was the backup there in philadelphia and ultimately helped them win the super bowl just pointing that out and then also now. So does this mean men's shoes gonna compete with jalen hurts and put some pressure on there or does this mean like we've heard joe flacco. Perhaps say he doesn't really want to be the mentor. Type like garments. You're going to be more of a mentor to jalen hurts. How do you see this shaking out and philadelphia key. What think when you look at it. First of all. Tim is right there. It's an insurance policy right. You evaluate these guys when you trae form about what you can get on the streets. What's available to you. Does it make more sense to go. Get a guy who essentially is a veteran. Who started a number of games in the national football league and knows how to play the position as a pro versus a guy who's never took a snap underneath the center. He's not challenging. Jalen hurts whatsoever. This is jalen hurts job to lose. They wanna see what jalen hurts his long term because they've invested into him now they moved on for carson winston. They said themselves okay. We now have this guy that we drafted out of oklahoma. Who's gonna be our starting quarterback over the next several years. Joe flacco was there but we saw joe flacco in preseason right. It was kind of like mixed bag one week. He looked like he was carving people up and he was going to be okay the next week. He looked like he couldn't even get out of his own way. So you still want to have the depth at the position in garnham issue. Still young enough to where he can just become some developmental type quarterback over long term for a backup in and be good at backing somebody up for the rest of his career. Because that's essentially what he is. He's a backup. He is not a starting quarterback. Kurt warner that we're looking at. And so i think when you look at it. This is the way that the philadelphia eagles of assess the situation say. Did you ask the question. Will he pushed jalen hurts. Starting position now was just like question not push him like where he would become the starter. Put a little far like someone breathing my little fire like there's a little competition here. Hey urban meyer. Competing with trevor lawrence. What's going on and joe ernest. Urban meyer or bill. When it comes to how they're making decisions they're keeping things close to the best they should and look i. I don't think anybody needs to be brought in to push jalen hurts from what i've seen with jalen hurts from the time i've known him. He's very competitive. He will push himself. Look nick mullins was let go because of the injury to his elbow. Joe flacco didn't seem like it was working. He wasn't playing well. I think this is a great pickup. And i know it's going to be a random thought but i'm sitting here watching garner you go there and i'm like what's going on dallas. What's going on cowboys like. Couldn't this be if you have a guy like dak prescott whose injury prone. Who's went out this year. Isn't a guy gardner mentioned somebody that you guys should be going after instead of the eagles getting a guy like that doesn't apple is but if you don't know he's available you don't know according to mid shoes available because the philadelphia eagles may have only been talking to the jacksonville. Jaguars why would why would they like. Tip their hand when they hearing what's going on and before you look up bam it's done and quite frankly the cowboys. Probably you know a waiting to see what happens with a guy like a nick. Foles or some of these other veteran quarterbacks us out the pittsburgh have a sukey of quarterbacks that could become available in dallas could essentially find themselves picking up key. I'm only going on what the experts say and dan. Graziano said there was no. It's no surprise that garner mentioned was available. There was no surprise like it was something that a lot of people in the league. New was available. So i'm just telling you what dan said and it feels like when i wash it happen and look. I'm pulling for doc. I want active. Remain healthy the whole season. I think they have a chance to be top. Five offense if they better be a offencive team in the league. But that's that's one of those get up so those pickups that you feel like it was a missed opportunity by the cowboys cowboys. What the colts got injuries. I mean the vikings have a viable back to. There's a lot of teams that need that. And y'all laughing at me about gardening know about gartner. Men's perhaps breathing down the knack of jalen hurts. Do you remember who beat out nick. Foles when he was at jacksonville gardner you philadelphia's over there you know praising nick foles just hey now. They're beat out. Nick foles and jacksonville. Predicting min-su to bid out joan hurts your back. Someone extol nick foles got hurt. Garnered is a good little story. I like the glasses in the mustache. Little story but miss issue. I come on now. He's not he's not even getting close to jalen hurts now. This is just a insurance policy. Makes all the sense of the world he was never never ever gonna start over. Trevor lawrence and less urban. Meyer made a decision that he wanted to make sure to. Trevor lawrence mentally wasn't going to be beat up in fragile. It so in the future. They can still have a quarterback that they drafted number one overall only way he was going to play in front him. There you go again key always called little people go little story little glasses. I mean it doe little but he's not rob demeaning story and when they take that story they run with it. I didn't say j. we'll store. I'd say jay we'll little story from don't do it. Don't go there. don't do it. I think this is why. I'm here right to bring these things up. Now that we're all back in back in the saddle together in the same show. Okay we're gonna move on a quarterback battle by the bay and kyle shanahan has added a little twist. 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You would automatically think based on what he was drafted. He falls into line with that but limited play didn't suit up all last year. Limited play in the preseason this year do the green bay packers really even know what they have at the number two spot but he solidified that so far there is no blake bortles noted. He's been gone for several weeks now. Number two at the number. Two spot jameis winston new orleans saints. He's solidified the starting spot because he deserves it. He stuck around after free agency he said. Hey i'm gonna signed back with a new england. Signed back with the new orleans saints. I have an opportunity to beat a guy. Replacing legend in the future hall of famer drew brees. A lot of people have been down jameis winston based on his his plate in tampa bay with the interceptions. The fumbles the turnover. So now he has an opportunity with sean payton to erase all of those doubters and get back to the ways. He played at florida state number. Three number three. Joe berle now when i look at the observation and joe borough in the cincinnati bengals. They went out and drafted your more chase revenue. Solidifying an offense align. It really hasn't lived up to the billing. And i know it's early and a lot of young y receivers struggle early early in their careers at trying to understand how different the nfl game is from the college game. The football's a little bit different. There's no stripes on the ball. So i'm hoping wishing and praying that he gets it together so we don't have to two years three years from now talk about what a wasted pick. That was number. Four and number four is jk dobbins what this does to the baltimore. Ravens it hurts. their running. Game hurts everything that we know about. Lamar jackson in the running game doesn't mean the season is lost over with the march. Could still do some wonderful things. I'm just saying when you don't have the depth that the running back position in your offense is basically a run oriented system you gotta watch out for that and make sure that they do the right things for the more number five it number. Five jimmy g. trae lands now. This split situation at the quarterback. It's not college football you. You won't see in the regular season one guy take a few steps. Another guy take a few snaps. They won't do that. It's going to be jimmy entire way into such time that he struggles when you look around the national football you can look at cam. Newton amac jones. You can look at jimmy g. You can look at andy. Dog all of these quarterbacks that have this short leash people are going to be paying attention to the young guys behind them. So jimmy g. wants to lead the forty niners back to the super bowl. He's got start week. One interesting stuff. that's keys observations. Brought by geico whether you run her own gyco makes it easy to bundle home and car insurance. Go to geico dot com today. So let's go off of that last key observation shall we spent four and a little bit so last night. as keita's alluded to the niners played the vegas raiders in their final. Preseason game twenty four plays garoppolo took fourteen snaps trae. Lance took ten on the opening drive. It was an even split on the ten play drive. Garoppolo handled nine plays lance five on second. Both drives resulted in rushing touchdowns. Obviously another thing. The quarterback split with one for each of them and san francisco. Took the w thirty four to ten. W doesn't really matter. But the whole point here as that. I i mean kyle. Shanahan is putting defenses on notice like everyone. Pay attention to my two quarterbacks that i got here and maybe i'll use them both. Maybe i'll start one. Or maybe i'll bring in another but nonetheless. He still has not made a decision as to who is going to start week one. And so here's the head coach of the niners suave to see. I mean i. I don't like playing this game but everyone keeps asking me a question. I'm not just giving the answer just to satisfy the question. I think we've got a pretty good idea. Like i said all along. I think our team does and We're pretty good with as they can. Keep surviving press conferences. I'm all right. Let's just try and be respectful. Okay we'll we'll guess what coach shane hand like. You're gonna get asked every single time you're in front of a microphone because this is the only thing everyone wants to know who was going to start for the forty niners. We heard key say that. They're not gonna use a two quarterback system in the nfl. If you've got to you've got non right like this is the way. We've all approach the situation but jay. How do you think they're gonna utilize jimmy garoppolo entry land. Well couldn't you see them utilize him the same way you know. They did it in. Down in new orleans tastes hill. I mean could it be that for the right situations key. 'cause dynamics that he brings it at table are different than jimmy g. But still having the optionality. I'm more practical. When it comes to these kind of things trae lance has been playing okay. He isn't blow me away like he's going to be to certify starter so i go back to jimmy. G. will be the guy traits would be there could be used specialized situations and you let him continue to grow in mold into that player. Trae lance can't be makes sense. Doesn't it key no makes all the sense of the world. The difference is is that trae. Lance is not like a swiss army knife. Like when you go back and you look at flacco and you look the more. They kind of us kind of inserted the more slowly into the lineup. They kind of gave him some little place trick. Plays things of that nature sort of the same thing. We'll take some here. But that's not trae lance trae. Lance is a quarter back. So i don't see where they're to all of a sudden make a decision to start to play a little trick games with trae last maybe a few snaps. They get them both on the field. There's a reverse pass or something like that but for the most part. He's the quarterback and he'll be quarterback in the future. I think that's interesting. You brought up the ravens. Because that's kind of what. I would assume that maybe they'll utilize trae lance like in schematic situation because joe flacco vastly different obviously than lamar jackson. And it seems like. That's the case in san francisco now with jimmy garoppolo and trae lance and. I think the fact that we haven't seen from trae lance many designed runs at all during the preseason is probably telling us like kyle shanahan is keeping some things close to the vest. I will say this this notion that like jimmy. Garoppolo can't assure fire starter for the entire season for the forty. Niners is insane to me. Like if he's healthy. And i know that's the big if obviously and i assume that's why they went up and drafted trae lance so they have some insurance on if he does get hurt. Because that's been the problem. But when he's healthy they win football games in san francisco. They went to the super bowl. I mean you could argue. They were one. Throw away from winning the super bowl. Why can't he just be the starter. Lance is the backup. An insurance plan going forward. I mean if you look at the last few seasons jimmy. Garoppolo ranks fourth in yards per pass attempt. That's ahead of patrick. Mahomes in the national football league. This guy had the best. Qbr against aaron. Donald russell wilson aaron donald twice a year and still jimmy garoppolo at the best qbr. I have no idea why people think he can't be capable quarterback in the national football league for the forty niners talent on both sides of the ball humanitarian. What happens though. Shay's not that he can't be. It's that when a coach since somewhat of a message in makes you think that it's here. Here's where it all started at minnesota in green bay in the playoffs. They took the ball out of jimmy. Johns hands in this is when it all started that they must not trust him. Think it he almost do a pick and each one of those games and they were like no. We're going to run the ball. We're not allowing you to trick this off. And then he takes them to the super bowl much like you mentioned. He misses on the throw. If he hits that throat emmanuel sanders. We're not even talking about the kansas city chiefs of patrick mahomes winning super bowl. What happens is when a coach is flirting with tom brady. And he's thinking about matt ryan any makes a call about aaron rodgers. It makes it seem as though that particular quarterback of that player for instance can't play. It's the same thing with car in oakland when john grooten is sending messages and people start to say well. He's not happy with car in cars having amazing season. And you look at that and you go. Why are they doing this. This is what happened coaches start to sydney signals. It's not the jimmy. G. is in good jimmy. J. really good. If he stays healthy like you said they may wind up back in a situation where to find four super bowl in. It's not the guy that they moved up to get in trae. Lance will be the quarterback but see. It's that simple. I see this as sheer business. I mean if you can get if if you can get tom brady or jimmy g. Who'd would you take shay. Tom take tom brady. Of course okay. You can get that legend over in green bay. Who would you call it. But but of course geno. That's not like there. There certain players that can elevate your franchise. Elevate the way you play. You may have a quarterback that is serviceable considering the context that key was able to provide. But that's not a sure bona fide next level talent could he get there potentially but if you know what you can get that's just business and that but here's what we know about win with jimmy g. and i agree with you say here. Here's what i would say about all those quarterbacks. Oj davis day. All or there's no question they're all going to the hall of fame but when you look at the postseason season and you look at the super bowl and you look at the same quarterbacks that that flourished in regular season the postseason numbers doesn't suggest that that's the same quarterback that you saw on the regular season that's for tom brady and super bowl threw for two hundred one yards in two touchdowns three touchdowns and didn't turn the ball over the defence play lights out patch. Mahomes you look at him a year before against us cisco forty nine. He had two interceptions. He threw for two sixty two touchdowns it was just a guy who basically made the right throws when he needed to to win the super bowl. Jimmy g. can do those things but he has to prove itself in the off season. I mean in the regular season. And then you say you say well. Would you take those other quarterbacks of course so it goes back to shay's original question is why do people feel this way about jimmy. G. is because when a coats marched to flirt with other people it makes. It seem like you're no good. Go back to your days at duke right you number one player to whole deal. They went out. Sign another point guard so eventually people would think well they don't like j. Will what the furthest thing from the truth. They just exploring other options just in case but we'll see at the question. I have is win. Is he actually gonna name the starter. The forty niners have the detroit lions week one and they are in detroit so maybe sooner rather than later we will find out keyshawn. Jalen zubin is brought to you by indeed. Odds are you're hiring to free up time not lose more with indeed you the platform that delivers four time. More hires than all other sites combine according to talent ness post a job and say your hired visit indeed dot com slash credit. Yep conway little hot news or not news here. On jay williams zubin shake cornet. Jay williams keyshawn johnson. All here with you now. Dan graziano are espn nfl. Insider is gonna join us for this very fun game. We like to play on monday morning. So here's how goes down. You know the rules. We lay out a statement. And you tell us if it is indeed hot news or just not really anything to be concerned with. I will start things off kyle. Shanahan uses both jimmy garoppolo and trae lance in the preseason finale hot news because i don't think anybody really had a sense of how this might look until yesterday and i do think there's a chance that kyle shanahan uses this kind of formula in at least one regular season game this year if not multiple look trae lance had the opportunity to win the job outright and camp my understanding is he didn't whether that's because he has more to work on because garoppolo played well or both. But this is something to give defensive coordinators something to think about obviously and practice for and it gives kyle shanahan the opportunity to use both guys maximize their strengths and be creative. So i don't think it's the last time we're going to see this. I think it's a really fascinating idea that the forty niners come up with. Yeah i think it's not news when you think about it dan. I understand what you're saying about. Maybe one game this year. The seventeen game so i think they did it in one game. Okay but i don't see where this is a long term solution at quarterback spot especially in the national football. This is not nebraska. This is not ohio state. You cannot play around with the mindsets of professional quarterbacks pulling me and taking them out of rhythm it just doesn't work we saw tastes. He'll do a little bit one trick. Pony type stuff drew brees. That's a handful of plays. I don't see where trae lance is gonna go underneath the center for a couple of series at a time and then all of a sudden insert jimmy g. back into the lineup. You cannot win in the national football league playing mind games with a quarterback and i agree with this is hot news and and key not compare the forty niners to nebraska. Just talking about. I know i know you arguments nebraska. I do want to say this though dan. There is something about not being predictable. And i understand. This is a national. Football league key played in for very long time but we have seen a lot more of these college schemes have been brought up to the nfl. And one thing i do know is off any of jay i well. It's a work in process. That's fair so we're spare but i'm just going to say. Look if you're not predictable. And you do have the dual with both quarterbacks. Why not flirt with it. It seems like shan and flirts with every other things so why not. This is definitely not intended as a long term solution to your point. It's something that they do in the meantime until they're convinced trae. Lance is ready to be the full time starter. I think that's just a way to get them from here to there. Okay we will see. Let's move on eagles. Acquire gardner men's shoe from the jags. Is it hot news or not. News mr graziano. It's not news. It really doesn't have any effect on jalen hurts and status as the starter in philadelphia. They still have joe. Flacco is a backup eagles. As much as any other team are obsessed with never being caught short at the quarterback position you know in in a time where covert rules can knock somebody out for a couple days without any notice being three deep with guys that you feel like indefinitely going play an. Nfl game is where the eagles wanna be. Also he signed through next year which flacco is not so it gives them an option Next year in terms of the depth of their quarterback room one hundred agree with dan. It this is not news at all more not news. Everybody knows right keeping moving here. Dan graziano espn nfl. Insider keyshawn jalen zubin. T y hilton will miss a couple of games for the indianapolis colts. Hot news or not newsstand. Well i'm going to say obviously todd news if you're ty hilton and obviously he was hoping to have a strong sort of bounceback season but the colts are very deep at this position. A wide receiver. Michael pittman draft pick from last year came on strong at the end of the year looked like he was in line to become emerged as their number one wide receiver this year even if hilton was out there and healthy. I just don't think hilton projected for the kind of role in this offense that he used to have an and they believe they have enough coverage at the position so big picture. I'm going to say not news. Even though i feel bad for. Ty hilton again. Dan not news. You mentioned michael. Pittman junior merging receiver out at usc. They took it a second round. He certainly is headed toward stardom international. Football league therefore is not news. I feel sorry for. Ty hilton's will t y hilton. Excuse me thirty one years old not really news kinda you spec things win the news be more the injuries that plagued the colts lately. We can get into that later on all right. How about mike. Mccarthy and jerry jones say dak prescott will be ready for the season opener and really there are no restrictions on him as of now grazziano. Hot news or not news. Well it's hot news anything with prescott and the cowboys always gonna be hot news right so if he's ready to go. That's the best news that the cowboys could possibly hope for. It's worth noting though that the cowboys to practice again until thursday this this week after the final preseason games according to the new. Cba has to be treated as a bye week and players have to get three straight days off so the amount of time dak prescott has to get ready for the thursday night opener which is in ten days is whatever he's done so far plus a practice week. That doesn't get started until this thursday news to me at all i i expected that prescott to be ready for opening day on thursday against the tampa. Buchan ears he'll have some time off to continue to heal but at the same time he will be throwing practicing to a degree now. Let's say practicing beginning in work with a few receivers during his off time without instructions. Run the coaches staff. So it's not news to me. I expected him to play anything. That comes out of the cowboys. Camp is hot news. Dan anything that comes out of their camp. we're talking about hard knocks. We're talking about an argument. That argument a conversation key. And i had last year when he was ready. Let mike mccarthy go last year. we're talking about. This team. has a chance to have a top five oftens. We're talking about a team that had won the worst defenses in the history of the nfl. Will they be mill marginal marginal any news. That comes out of that camp is hot. i agree with you. Okay last one. We gotta do this quickly to talk about. Flirting with other quarterbacks brian flora's is quote very confident in to a tunnel. Vilo hot news or not news. Dan grazziano minnesota not news. Because i won't believe that. The dolphins are ready to give to a tongue by lower this year to show what he can do unless a significantly better option presents itself and we know the dolphins have been connected with the shawn watson. This is not made up. He's definitely somebody on whom they've had their i for a while. The issue of course with watson is you can't trade for him right now because you don't know what's going to happen with his legal situation whether the league is going to allow him to play so as long as that's on hold and there's not a major obvious upgrade for the dolphins. I think to a tongue of loa gets this year. But i don't think long term. The dolphins are one hundred percent sold yet that he is the guy. It's not news to me to shine. Wants to be in miami. Miami wants to shine like. Dan said there's a lot of things that's going on in the situation so they can't just pull the trigger but it's not new. It's been going on for quite some time. We'll see what to has not news. I mean all those videos are sean in miami and offseason hanging out. I mean you know what that was going to be all right dan. Thank you so much for the insight. This morning i appreciate. You can get more from dan. Get up at eight o'clock eastern. Espn right all right. We've mentioned dak prescott. Well he is back up ready to go. We're going to discuss it next on. What is going on with the cowboys. Index prescott apparently no restrictions and. Everyone says it's coming out of cowboys. Camp that's coming up. Next right here on keyshawn jay williams juvenile espn radio and espn two icy hot ready.

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"Sometimes it feels like your business is going one hundred miles an hour barely keeping up. Don't technologies advisors. have to take you. Need to get past whatever's in front of you call an advisor today at eight seven seven ask dell and do more with modern devices and windows. Ten pro sean. Willing soup podcast. Good morning welcome into keyshawn. Jalen zubin on espn radio. Espn two sirius. Xm channel eighty. And of course you're smart speakers. Keyshawn j. will and zubin all out bart. Scott jen ladda. In again embarked. We had football last night. It wasn't pretty. It never is when you see preseason football final score sixteen to three if you care about that kind of stuff in favor of the steelers. There were lots of three and outs. There were lots of turnovers but it's not going to be clean first game in the season. I'm just glad we have it in the books. How about you. This is the official start of the nfl season. Other teams will follow. It was good to see over football. Live football competition Different colored jerseys going against each other. But it's one of those things the fact that it was a nothing burger is perfect bride because we it was nothing that alarm anybody is. Nobody's saying what's going on with dallas. What's wrong with with the pittsburgh steelers. Both teams went out. You know the stars didn't play as much as the first opportunity for young guys in a rookies to get opportunity to introduce themselves to like the type of environment. It is to play such a historical land talk about planning hall of fame. Game the honor and privilege because you're surrounded by so many immortals and i thought it was a good job. I both teams in this respect. Dak prescott didn't even travel to the hall of fame game in canton. Ohio ezekiel elliott. Was on the sideline. Obviously big ben on the sideline as well couple of guys that we were keeping our eye on now z. Harris and mike parsons. Did they impress you at all with their performances early. 'cause i gotta say mike. Parsons was in on an awful lot of plays early on mike. Parsons with the tackle. And mike parsons with tackling. I was like okay. He came to play. He came to show people he serious about this. And you heard him allude to it a little bit about this synergy about him. Getting his Former recovering asked what he got in his first game and at ohio state. And what you what you like. It is the the the movement. The athleticism the suddenness to make the decision. I think that's what dan quinn is done. He's put them up in a in a position to play fast. And that's what you want to see. You don't wanna see lascaux underneath mike. Nolan's defense it was a lot of checks and that's more of a defense for eighteen that it has a lot of veteran players. We have a young team. You want them to play fast. And take a lotta thinking. Oh well everybody is in preseason mode including mike mccarthy who talked After the game about his team obviously we were paying a lot of attention to that defense. Here's what mike mccarthy had to say after his team fell to the steelers sixteen to three. But who really cares. It's preseason. football performance was really focusing on the operation and the function creek golf. See rico had the big run you know. After the not made some throws off his back foot were you know unique so frankly it's a long plane flight home. I'm looking forward watching that tape. I figure it's going to be a lot of good commoditised game. Come on man really can we. Can we ask him. Where's the up can we. Can we follow up. Say well what was exactly unique. Well he threw off his back foot. I know that they never want them doing that. And you saw arm that domenici through as well. So maybe that's what he meant. Back foot sidearm. We're gonna start calling that the domenici. She's not gonna see any snaps in the regular season if the cowboys have their way but we mentioned mar. Mike parsons as well and he like you. Said had the symmetry of the the fumble recovery in yesterday's game and the fumble recovery in his first game in college. Let's hear from mike parsons. Who was a star in. The first preseason game of the year to be able to step down here came a long way from two twenty nineteen. When i play my last game. you know. it's just a true blessing and honor to where uniform represent the cowboys represent my family. Come out here and be able to get back into football rhythm. You know what i mean. So it was pretty good. I actually had a fumble recovery my first game in college so i like to turn that is going on right now. One of the other lines. That i loved and we mentioned that big ben was on the sideline out. There was a big ben talking about najji harris one of the other guys. We are keeping our eye on who pretty well for his squad. Big ben was talking to erin andrews on the sideline. he said. We're not gonna see too many great things from nausea and his point was we're keeping him under wraps like you're not gonna see all the things that this young guy can do. And i think that should be exciting for fans of the steelers that this guy as i said yesterday could be the face of this franchise eventually now. Big ben still holds that title as long as he's under center but you know that it's inevitable that he's going to be moving on soon and i see nausea harris as being the guy. Kids are going to be buying his jersey. He's going to be the guy in the steel city where you think about you know. Identity identifiable positions for the steelers center is one that historically has been famous You know type of position you'd think about. Why receiver what they've gone from. Whether you wanna talk about you know you wanna talk about techs. Go birds. You wanna talk about antonio homes you wanna talk about antonio brown emmanuel sanders and running back right. They always identify with a running back and you know. They rarely are running back by committee. I know that's how football using the goals. Now but you think about the bus you think about franko hairs. You think about Willie parker and now you could say dodgy hairs right so they automatically represent the toughness that pittsburgh is always about niger. Harris is the next one up in li- less a live up to the expectation. Okay so that was the preseason game and again you take things from it if you want. You don't have to take things from it. It's just the first game out of the gate. It's always going to be a little sloppy. A lot of three and outs a bunch of turnovers. Not exactly the best football but there was some news before the game because of course this was the hall of fame game and that means of course you have the enshrinement this weekend for the twenty twenty class and the two thousand twenty one class and one of the big stories of course was when jerry jones and jimmy johnson were sitting on the fox set and they press jerry just a little bit about the feud that those two have had going years and years decades even back and jimmy johnson has been kept out of the ring of honor and that's been a big story because he obviously has been so instrumental to the cowboys story to the cowboys. Success back in the nineties. But jerry jones broke a little bit of news last night. Saying it's going to happen. Take a listen. We're going to certainly be recognizing what's happening here with the hall of fame Who started entering said. Jerry keep it keep it kind of limited with people but make sure it one just about the plays they may make sure that contributed to the story of the franchise. That's kind of hard to not recognize this contribution to the story of the franchise coda. So are we making an announcement here. Well we can be if we can. I don't know how we're going to stay. No yeah you go ahead make that welby and the rennebach very loving. You heard it here be those. That's great. I mean that's great. That was a great moment. And then of course going while i'm alive i mean come on very rolling. Your eyes were everything you've done to me as going do you ain't no good on. Come around you harpo. Come on man stop it. This is jerry jones self-serving right really this is the most self serving thing ever because listen. This guy should have been in a in ring. Oh no question for what he's done in. This is jerry jones trying to right. His wrongs was it not sallow. How i the series where. He had to go fix everything he had ever done with. Somebody hold shows about okay. And this is what jerry jones is trying to do. This is more about jerry. Jones trying to lift up jerry jones right. This is all before i'm alive. You know he's trying to right all his wrongs but the thing is you're waiting to the end the rights or wrongs. You knew he was wrong long time ago. You know us wrong when you can put your eagle side and trying to determine who the moore who was more responsible for the mini dynasty that they had. Okay i didn't look at it. That cynically i did look again. Look i agree with you. Eagle was all of us. All the cell was the reason as to could not get along all of a sudden on a big stage. When about jimmy johnson. This week he wants to make it. About what j. Jerry jones is doing See i kind of looked at it as the cherry on. Top of the sunday man. It's a big weekend for jimmy obviously narcissists before no i definitely have been around the nurses i know again that ego played a huge role in this whole thing but a couple of weeks ago jerry jones did like shoulder all the blame for the feud starting in one thousand nine hundred and to me. This is with age comes wisdom you know you get a little longer even for a long time as all very good point but he is older today than he was yesterday and the day before and the day before and the day before and i think he's gotten to a point where he realizes that the actions of his youth didn't serve him well and it didn't serve the cowboys either really and that should be his number one priority like he let his ego get. Who's more responsible for the championships. This goes back to what i've always said about cutting the pie. Why we cutting the pie chart to tell me. Oh tell me how. Much aikman was responsible for those championships. Tell me how much jerry jones was. How long have we been having the same discussion. We had this discussion last year the year before the year before all of a sudden he's going into hall of fame you can't deny him being hall of fame and not being your ring of obsolete. Now you gotta try and make it right. But it's all about self serving your so you can about dole was right because it was right last year the year before the year before and the year before. It's never too late though to do the right thing so again. Maybe i'm giving him more credit than you would like me to give this have. Have you ever has by like that. Did you wrong. And when see you then like oh. Hey i like unhappy. Wait even had a conversation about this year but the cameras on is all. It's all love but this again goes back to the aaron rodgers conversation that i've been covering since draft day where okay so eventually the packers come around and say we were wrong. We shouldn't have drafted jordan love. Oh but you didn't say you were sorry earlier you said it now. I wanted the apology three months ago. You gave me the apology now. We're still fighting. So this brought up the idea. Of the best feuds in all of sports okay because this been an ongoing longtime feud there have been books written about the nineties cowboys. And of course these two clashing so the number is of course. Eight eight eight say. Espn eight eight seven to nine. Thirty seven seventy six. Give me your best sports feuds because there are a lot of them out there when i say sports feuds bar what comes to mind besides the jimmy johnson jerry jones rumble. Oh okay you know. I was thinking just best. The best sports foods off the top of your head and we'll get into it as the show goes on as well. Prisons batboys there. Michael jordan keeping is thomas off the olympic team basic one. That's great to me too. That is terrific are yeah. We are rolling here on kishan. 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Is your starting quarterback because none of the other guys have taken any first team snaps. Not sixty percent not eighty percent. He's taken one hundred percent of the first team snaps like whether you want to admit it or not and maybe that's what this is. This is just him not wanting to wrap his brain around the fact. That jalen hurts is his starter. He's your guy unless you're going to go out and get another guy unless you're actually going to put yourself in the shot to shawn watson sweepstakes which still to me feels a little dangerous. Not knowing what watson's future is like he's your guy. Why hasn't he just named him. The starter this is like like those like you. Those books how to books and it's like got dummy in. This is like coaching for like coach. For dummies right. Like this all coaches this. I don't understand like you ain't got the live craig. Just keep it real. We all know that. He's starter right. Maybe if you get the sound waas okay. It's a real competition but like this is almost like josiah's last last year not naming saquon barkley. That started like come on like really like what are we talking about. But this is what they do is just another distraction but you know every coach does so i can't single him out. Let's hear from serianni when he was asked about jalen hurts being named the starter. There's just no rush there. I'm having to do that. And we just again. We just want him to continue to impress and show like he like he has and we're just not there yet like he's not under pressure already like he doesn't know that they trade away carson wentz and he's the last man standing like he didn't take all the reps last year with carson got benched like he hasn't taken every single rip like kelsey the guy who he's talking to hasn't talked about his leadership skills like come on man he's already under enough pressure. Let's just leave a little bit. Who cares it's time for straight talk brought to you by straight talk. Wireless can this backfire. I think it depends on the guy right like some guys. That can backfire on. They need to know that they're loved. They need to know that they're the guy. But if you look at the history of jalen hurts. I don't think he's that guy. Just remember what he went through in college. Getting benched for to a tongue of i lo and then coming in in the sec championship game and being the hero for alabama. This is a guy who's been through adversity at the quarterback already. And i remember interviewing him a few years back when he was at alabama and his mantra was always. I was made for this. Whatever the situation is. I was made for kind of like the iron sharpens. Iron type thing. I think he genuinely believes that. Whatever the circumstances are he's going to come to and he's going to be okay and he's gonna handle it and he's going to show everybody and maybe it is a little chip on his shoulder. When people don't believe 'em we obviously know that some people are motivated by that. But i think jalen hurts no matter whether you name him the starter or not. I think he's convinced himself. He's the starter he's playing like. He's the starter. So i don't necessarily know that the title matters. I think it goes back to what you were saying. This is a little bit of a game. It's kind of like when you're dating somebody but you're not really sure keeping your eye out there to see what else is out there. You know. it's complicated if you will if you go back to facebook status. That's what this reminds me up. He didn't want to commit. Because maybe there's something better out there but it's fine for now. I mean is free to really a threat. Like i love flacco man but come on man we know the he's he's a backup at this point right. He's the same guy that backed up. Sam darnold last year. He's not pushing you or competing for the starting roy. He's thirty six years old. He's had his his time and his son to be a starring league. He's a super bowl. Mvp but he's not pushing you. He's there to mentor and help you develop Jalen hurts and help you have a comparable backup that can come in and help you with a couple of games if he struggles if the kid gets injured and this is a little bit about nothing now. The real threatened. Legitimate threat is to design watson. Rumors that maybe you know they. Can you know. Get to watson and then he you know he might as well go ahead and go to u-haul star pakistan his boxes because that's a rat from narrow on out it just depends on if like you said those rumors because we've heard sources say that that things are heating up on the deshaun watson front and then there are rumors saying things are not heating up at all. I do. Think that when coaches kind of tried to do this cloak-and-dagger type stuff. It puts them in a very difficult spot. So nick serianni was asked. Have you had any conversations about the of another quarterback coming in. We talk about. Obviously the deshaun watson situation. And here's what he had to say folks. It is a little bit a word vomit. We talk as a group of how do you get better every single day. And this is my conversation with jalen. This'll be my conversation with all the players. How do you get better every single day. We talk about our core. Values are connect our compete our accountability our football. Iq pardon me our fundamentals and then. What are the distractions. That don't allow you to get better every day. Everybody distractions are different. Everybody's going through something different. It's just the the message is clear with with. Everybody is what came. What are we doing to get better every day. And what are we willing to eliminate from our life that is not allowing us to accomplish what the message is clear. I'm sorry that was not clear at all. That straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless no contract no compromise your reaction to serianni trying to make some sense of a situation but just kind of like taken us around in circles attitude reflect leadership and in this if attitude reflect. Leadership team is to be confused. I don't know which He's trying his best right. He's not good at he's new and philadelphia. It's a very tough market. And they know how to kind opinion a corner with your words and they know how to have so he doesn't understand like the people in philadelphia and new york like they play chess so the first move is just a senate will to get you three moves later to pin you in the corner and he caught himself and he tried every we everybody what i what i as reminds me of is i his i is i press. Conference that yeah. Maybe i've been there. I've been there all right so hurts is getting all the first team reps in training camp but what about the preseason games. 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With instant offer from carmax learn more at carmax dot com and get a real offer real fast from carmax the way it should be keyshawn. J. will zubin rolling on here. Bart scott jen ladda filling in for the guys who've been taking your calls all morning long. Continue getting us your reaction to the best sports feuds. We'll get to your calls in just a few minutes. Eight eight eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven to nine. Thirty seven seventy six. Now we go out to the goodyear hotline where we find former. Osu and nfl quarterback cartel jones joining us. He of course is a two thousand fifteen national champion. Carlisle good to chat with you this morning. let's talk about those rookie quarterback's because of course you've been in that position. How much do rookie quarterback's need to play to feel comfortable with the offense leading into the season when we talk about preseason action first and foremost good morning Bought jan thanks for having me Always a pleasure joining the crew. A lot. I think when it comes to their rookie quarterback because it helps us confidence and there's definitely going to help them in the loma around they not you know forced to be thrown into the fire. Because you know some careers just rule like that. What type of what's the expectations for. Trevor lawrence. I wanna go. I want to get straight to. Because i got a lot of questions about your former coaching ability to make the transition with the point system. And you know tibo first of all. Did you get a call like did you. Did you really really tibo seventy five zero. Just play for the mets. He bins depending aaa football. What about me. I mean that was no that i didn't get a cost from a former coach and i'm being so fresh out of you know football and But they got a lot of bill they got a lotta. They play right now and they. You know garnered and the number one pick. They got some other quarterback Issues they need to figure out i but they can think about bringing a former guy is Dallas coach ma coach. Meyer but I don't know man. I think it's a lot of expectations clearly young trevor. Being a number one a raw pick and go into a situation where one game last year and welcome into a organization where you got to also new coat anew faces so i can imagine the pressure and the expectations extremely highly cartel jones. Joining us on the goodyear hotline. I think it's a great point to talk about what the jaguars are doing. And of course there's always conversations about the transition from the college game to the pro game and that's not just for players for coaches as well if you could sit down with urban and give him you know the biggest thing he needs to know about making the jump from the college game to the. Nfl what would you tell your former coach well. We actually talked about this before before. He took a job and it was a rumors route. Their opportunity had dinner with us. You know we. We shot a straight and i say. Hey what's to what's going on. and you know. His one of his worries concerns of you know. He knew that. I knew his style of coaching. He wanted to go with a transition. You know to the next level. And i'm pretty sure he actually had the former guys that he coached as that that was that was at that level is at that level down and you know he got a lot of head coaches. That are great friends in the nfl. And i'm pretty sure. It was giving him feedback and advice. I think at work. And i think trevor was a lot of similarities and in urban day saw sweeney and the opportunity to play with some guys that was coached by coach sweeney You know some of the stories are similar. so he's going to walk into some situations. Were you know every waking moment is going to be competitive and how can you their competitive edge over the next guy that you know. Urban is going to put him in that. He was accustomed to equi- now. When you think about the transition from the pros to college one of the big differences that you don't were professionals dylan were grown men and you have to explain sometimes the why not just what we're doing but while we're doing it you know how do you think his communication skills are going to be able to be able to kind of get this Locker room earn respected. His locker room you know. He's asking a little adversity early on in his career. You think about you know the the strength coach hiring. And they'll the tibo distraction you know. How does he earned the respect of the men in the locker room. And how does he. The transition to dillon with men opposed to deal with boys. I think the one way. Yeah because you know one big thing that these coaches do on the The big time level of college football coach off fear. You know they coach off the fear of. I'm going to go recruit the next guy here for this next year to recoup past you. You know that's how you get pretty much. Almost the best out of your guys and nfl is completely different because You're you're dealing with the best of the best and you have a limited. My roster spots coach my Clearly just mentioned but I think he'd go in there and he put his eagle to the side. And and you know. Don't go in there like a done this before told you this. Coaching you respect these guys time. Respect their effort entities but one thing that goes always an unbelievable job but doing coaching the y. and that's one thing that i know He's not gonna let any of he he over the details and why we want to run. There's gonna put yourself in this type of situation so you guys understand so they won't go out there and take it too much out. A lot was made of this winners and losers drill that urban brought to his nfl. Coaching obviously guys going head to head one on one and then they basically tally who won and who lost. He said that sometimes that will determine if a guy is on the bubble who keeps on the team. What is your reaction to that. Did he do that in college with you. Guys at ohio state. And how can that work or how can it backfire at the nfl level yet. That was a big time thing in college included. You can cut none of us but It plays into it. Plays into fact of it was just almost like an embarrassment thing because of the tallies were all over the facility show you know how many times has got a beach you or you know the trend and things like that. But i don't really see that plan into too much effect of you know the nfl because they used to go out there and play. I mean a guy beat me you know one or two plays know whenever drew that you're doing but you know we get out there on the field you'd like to play you know. Speak for yourself because you know a one on one you know You know receiver db going to have way more Obstacles in a way in a game versus one one practice. We know this is this guy. He don't have no help. That is former. Ohio state quarterback in nfl quarterback kordell. Joe joe's still ready still standing ready. Right yes sir. Yeah let that be known to. He's still out there. Ready for all these bombs. We got these third-string quarterback give my manage shot in the call back get ready brought to you by barbasol. Shaving cream barbasol comes out. Thick and rich doesn't break down. That's why barbasol is america's number one shaving cream close shave. America close shave barbara barbasol. Thanks carl we have been asking for your calls all morning long and we do have a few about the best. Sports feuds in the history of sports. So let's get to victor in new york victor in new york best sports fuse. You've got your hand up. I want to say one before. Victis guy give me yours. One of my favorites is buddy. Ryan and mike ditka. Because i play for rex ryan so i know all about the the inside few great few. I mean again that goes back to ego stray shower right. And we're talking about this because obviously jerry. Jones announced last night on the fox. Broadcast that jimmy johnson will in fact be in the ring of honor after keeping him out of it for years and years and years decades even as he struggled with not getting enough credit for the success that the cowboys had had so. That's another good one. That was motivated by ego. Of course who was actually responsible for the bear success back in the nineteen eighties. All right. now. Let's get to victor in new york ahead. Victor guy bought. That was a great world. Ryan boys a little crazy but i. I grew up in the bronx and the best and most entertaining. When i grew up in seventies was george. Steinbrenner and billy vaughan. Oh yeah one of the most entertaining sues ever enforced. You gotta like the boss right. The boston billy martin. They went back and forth. Didn't billy martin go back and forth with few people. Didn't he also famously go back and forth with players. Yeah but that's what makes it so great right because you have to alpha males going back at it and was the owner was the manager. So i come home and you can't beat them you know but you know. He was the face of the yankees. Are that reggie jackson another one of those guys. That billy martin would go head to head with so. That's a very good one. Give us a call. Eight eight eight. Espn eight eight eight. Seven to nine. Thirty seven seventy six. Taking your best sports feuds this morning as it seems jerry. Jones and jimmy. Johnson have put. There's to rest. Let's go out to tyler in virginia. Beach tyler you're on with jen and bart keyshawn jalen zubin. I guys First of all bar. You're talking about steelers wide receivers earlier and you didn't mention is ward. Antwan randle el you go straight to plaxico bursts. Well that about yesterday. Al gave on a love about hines ward is one of the guys that should be in the hall of fame but come on. Complex was a beast to gotta also bar got a birthday coming up. I know you guys won't be on the show next week but happy. happy birthday. The art modell fan art modell and the whole city of cleveland. That is one of the biggest feuds ever in my opinion what what was the name of the moving trucks. They came out starwood. It was the craziest thing government. And i remember i play for art modell right before he passed and i could remember. He couldn't go back to cleveland. he couldn't fly. We play cleveland as owner note. No spot you know. No boo for him. No no no sweet for him at all. They still hate the fact that not only did he take the team away from. He took ozzie. Newsome nick sabin bill belichick right at the height with cleveland. Thought they were gonna turn a corner. And it's been a long time a long road to redemption man but art modell. That's definitely one of the moving truck. I think you're thinking of the colt. When it the mayflower move from baltimore to indianapolis colts versus when i think of cleveland feuds though i think of lebron james at when he and dan gilbert yeah which brought us the comic sans drama remember dan. Gilbert dealt the letter and everybody was like what is that fine. Obviously i think they have since occurred. Knew it was comic sans. Remember the bubble letters. How can we take you seriously. Letter with bubble letters. Dan gilbert but yeah that one of course has been put to bed as well. Continue getting us. Your best sports feuds this morning as we talk about the situation between jerry jones and jimmy johnson seemingly being put to bed. We also want to take a moment. Jacques about the quarterback situation in the great city of chicago. Because we've been talking about rookie quarterback paying attention to to who's taking steps in the right direction and who hasn't been given obviously jalen hurts not a rookie quarterback but a young quarterback in the league so jimmy. Graham who of course is back with the bears. I try to keep track of jimmy grams movement. It seems like he's always with a different team but he was talking about justin fields Yesterday i believe take a listen what he had to say about the rookie. Qb in chicago model of the kid you know he. He says assignment locker room and man he wants to be good you know and he wants to be granted he puts into work. You know his guy really you know really really can throw the ball. That's been to see his arm shrink the ability to you know to make plays While you're running. I think you know he's to have It's been presidency him so young so focused You know and i can tell you know it. It definitely a lot of russell's let feels cook. I guess so. Graham has obviously caught touchdowns from russell wilson. Aaron rodgers drew brees and. He's giving high praise to the rookie. And all of the talk to be honest with you out of chicago is that he's he's been impressive. he's slinging it. I mean again. I know the situation is. They've got andy dalton and they're going to ride with him. At least we believe for the start of the season Does this get you excited about what i always been. It's a process is a process right in. We've been around his game long enough. You heard all these accolades been thrown. Everybody getting flowers and training camp. I i get ready. And i don't make my assessment to us guys. Go through some stuff right. That's when you get to see with all speed you get to see what they're made. Pump the brakes a little bit here. Is that you not just a little bit. I just want to see him. You know 'cause listen last year Herbert people were saying great things about him. And he i mean man. He impressed manage. Oh borough impress and like now. We've rookies coming in so ready to throw the football because the college game you know allows them to get so many reps it used to be option and handing a ball off but now because told the ball so much they learn how to put the ball in the right positions they learn how to recognize. Cover three cover to two man. You'll holds trap coverages so like they're ready to come in but you know some of these guys can't slow down. That was of course. The biggest challenge for for college quarterbacks going into the league for a while because college quarterbacks would essentially look over to the side. Get the play. Run the play regardless of what the coverage was you to the nfl at all of a sudden. You gotta re defenses. You've got to figure out who's trying to trick you out there But you like the comparison will do. I think it's natural. I think he may be of course. He's a little faster than russell. Wilson but russell wilson is one of those guys that make those off schedule plays so. I think you know the judge justice field. Russell wilson is a is a perfect cop. I mean you think about the highway speed. Just you know justin adjusted slightly faster slightly taller than russell. But i can see the similarities. And i'm sure you know jimmy. Graham kinda understands how he delivers the football the mannerisms so if you're good with the russell wilson to justin fields comp. What would you say for a guy like mack jones. Is there somebody in the league. Based on what you've seen for mac jones obviously at alabama where you'd say that's the comp jones. Mcdonald's is tough right. Know in mac and cheese as cam nickname he don't even understand. The cameras really is really like clowning. Them you don't even understand. He called telling him he's got a dad dad by already twenty one years old and his body fat is high man. He's going to have your actual name in the nickname. Said if you'd gone one step further and called him velveeta right name camps that you should be as ghost rider. He's not that creative but maximums jones. I would probably say maybe kirk cousins right kirk. Cousins isn't given the the enough was athleticism. Strong garm he can deliver ball on time. But you're not worried about him running away from me. So i guess i would say mac and cheese is probably You can write that you know. What is it right that take that baked that. Like you like that there. It you liked de. Wait mac and cheese you like that. How about trevor lawrence obviously all hype surrounding trevor lawrence. Going into the league and he was unmatched during the college game there. What is there anybody that you can compare him to the pro game. I've always thought that you know he was a faster. More loose of justin. Herbert right you think about the height weight and the ability to throw the football deliver football also to be able to run people. Don't give trevor launch your credit that he deserves you know. Remember a couple of years in that bowl game he. He took it sixty right on a on a read option. You know he. He's a little frail right now. He needs to put some weight on. But i think. He's definitely justin herbert trae lance again. This is a guy who has just started taking first team snaps even though we heard that he probably wasn't going to. We don't know if there is a quarterback controversy out there they're going to obviously minimize that as much as possible but who he reminds you of cam cam newton. A young cam newton. Strong arm can can can deliver the ball on time. Can you know that arm strength. But also he's an athlete. He's an athlete. I think know shanahan. That's one of the reasons why when he was making a decision december citing. Does he wanna go with zach wilson. Does he wanna go. Trae lance where we want to go with mac and cheese. He came up. Because this guy gives you the best of both worlds. You know he's big. He's strong much like colin kaepernick but he has more accurate arm. And he's so smart right every that's all you hear about. His football acumen is ability to digest and learn systems. And i think he's going to be. Just i cam newton a little bit more accurate and i think he's gonna do well especially dad. He's had the perfect matching with a guy like how shanahan as far as his play calling the. Where do you stand on pocket. Passer versus dual threat. Because i've always been of the belief you have to be a pocket passer to have success in the nfl. If you have that other wrinkle if you can move around that that's great but if you can't be a pocket passer you're not gonna have succession asli. You can't just rely on your life. You have to be able to talk all on time delivery ball on time and be able to read the rotation say these before or after the snack depending on when the defense gives you information you know. I think the perfect match of the perfect dual threat quarterback aaron rodgers. Now i think he doesn't get the credit for his ability to stem plays and also to be able to scramble outside the pocket. And put you in harm's way because you don't know the come up because you don't know what's behind you and if you stay back pick it up with his legs. We've seen him many times during the goal line scramble when he sees you know man to man coverage knowing that everybody backs stern. You know you could say mahomes like that. But aaron rodgers more athletic than patrick mahomes so you i will give them but you have to be able to deliver the ball on time. That's where lamar jackson is trying to prove this. That's the next step in his maturation as his legs ahead of his arm. And hopefully you can figure it out. They gave them the weapons around the finally not have the excuses not to be accurate outside the numbers and we shall see but his first instinct is still to kind of bail. Try to make a play with his legs and again the the concern has always been he's gonna get hit and you know. How long can he played that style of game at this level. All right. how. About zach wilson zagros or you say the jet for me. Is i tell you that for me. When i see zach wilson i i look at. I'm looking at jay cutler to me a lot of people may not agree with that. But you talk about jay. Cutler came in his league with one of the strongest arms in the league. He's a guy that can make all the throws he just was a grouch. Right yo man. You didn't like his mannerisms look like you always had the resting sad face right droopy real but you know he just far tally. This guy could throw the football deliver the football. And when you hear how the ball explodes or how reportedly heard sao paulo the other day. Talk about how the ball explodes on his hands. While we were saying those same things about jay cutler early in his career keyshawn jalen zubin is presented by progressive. 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Hour 3: Making Amends?

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Hour 3: Making Amends?

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No what they're up against here practices not start for the packers until tomorrow so they have. Today is when everyone needs to report the practices and startles. Tomorrow they have through today to work out these kings and hopefully they will so that everything is fine and dandy for tomorrow and aaron rodgers is indeed your number one starting quarterback for the green bay packers and jordan. Love takes back seat unfortunate for jordan love. Y'all all he got was not as you know like he doesn't even get he's ready right from all the reports we've heard it seems like he's still working at this thing and air. Rogers had to sit and sit and sit some more and worked out pretty well for him. So it's not about how you start it's about one you start and how you ultimately finished so jordan will get his time. What is time camps at eight right now any right now but nonetheless it is a good day because we've been leading up to this day. When packers report to training camp with aaron rodgers be there. What would happen with this entire saga. Now it's kind of coming to a close slowly. And that is that he is going to spend at least the next year and green bay uniform him and likely davante adams and they're going to try and go out and win a championship and then we'll see what the future holds for them. I wanna talk about some moves. Now that's happening in vegas because they always seem to know things Caesar's william hill has moved the packers back to minus one twenty j. They started the day at plus two twenty. Maybe you can tell me what that means. Exactly plus twelve hundred two plus one thousand for rogers. Mvp that was the move from yesterday. So did you hear that. So plus twelve hundred two plus one thousand where the rogers. Mvp odds that moved from. Yesterday i would imagine the one twenty minus one twenty as they started the day plus two twenty would a would be in regards to their ability to win the nfc north. That would probably make them the favorites. And that's about you. You're getting it at meaning you. You're not an in plus money. It's minus one twenty. So they're heavy favorites. I'm imagining what that caesar caesar's william hill number of minus one. Twenty is the packers. And so where's the value here like. At this point the fan base is kind of looking at this a little sideways. Like what is going on. Where's our quarterback. Why is there all these. Disagreements amongst management had not really met leflore packers aaron rodgers etc. Are we going to finally get this thing figured out. We can start focusing on football a little bit like you have to think that both the locker room and the fan base feels this way at this point and hopefully we're going to have an end to this kind of solution so the faster and i'm speaking for you a little. I guess the faster. Aaron rodgers shows his face at camp the faster we can get to football and stop worrying about all this nonsense. No yeah but do you think he's on a clock have to get there you think. It behooves him to get there as soon as possible because he's in danger of losing fan base losing his teammates. I think losing the fan base. But i think i would guess in speaking to my dad. Who's a diehard packers. Fan lives in. We'll show dog peplum. I i know that this is aggravating. Them like this has been a lot of back and forth and it's making packers fans feel almost like what are we not go to like what's going on here. We not good enough. Why is there all this back and forth. let's get to camp. Let's play some football. Hear you it's a. It's a natural sentiment to come from your father and probably many others in wisconsin. And i'm not disagreeing with him. Because he's my father-in-law that's always smart. Play anybody who's married knows duck peppers a great man. Now that we've covered that part. I would say this. That's all fine and dandy but once aaron rodgers gets back on the field and plays like aaron rodgers. Everybody's gonna forget about this stuff because it all came in stem from this desire to have their guy back so whatever dance they did doesn't matter rogers comes back and plays like he did last year and the team looks like they did last year and that offense looks like it did last year. The minute that happens poof. It's gone him. Being a camp is start towards that. I'll say this though and it plays to the theater of what this year can look like. They're in green bay because of all this drama understanding. It's only one year if if aaron rodgers comes in there and doesn't look like one of the elite players in the national football league people like your father who've had issues with how this summer played out are going to be like see. It's because he doesn't care it's because he doesn't wanna be here is because he was focused on everything else but football in the off season they might even do what men always seem to do. Blame it on the new woman in his life and say shailene woodley celebrity. Got him away from what he's doing on a football field. People will go to the most ridiculous extremes to find reasons to poke out why aaron rodgers is in playing at the level. He should be playing. So it's gonna be interesting. It will be interesting but nonetheless. I think all of us. Because we have i have we have spent basically since drafty which was back in april talking. About what aaron rodgers is going to do this upcoming season and now we know he is going to be the quarterback for the green bay packers. He is going to be there in camp. Yes as we heard from shefty. They still have to work out some minor details but they are very close to reaching an agreement for this upcoming season. Now that leads to devante atoms hit his wide receiver and we saw the instagram stories over the weekend of the two of them posing the exact same thing. Scotty pippin and michael jordan on the basketball court essentially Resembling a last and sort of situation where they're going to try and give it one more. Try this upcoming season and go when a chip and so the question is now. What if they don't what if they don't win a super bowl. Who does this fallen then. Does it fall on aaron rodgers shoulders. Does it fall on upper management shoulders. Does it make everyone in wisconsin. Feel like well. This was a big waste of time. What if they don't win a super bowl and jay. This kind of reminds me. Because you and i had a conversation like this about the nets when they brought in kyrie irving and they brought in james harden and they have kevin durant and i remember thinking myself. What if they don't win the championship and look what happened. They obviously don't a different team from the east won the championship. Is it that same kind of pressure that we're going to see in the nfl this year. Or is the men's pressure because the pressure is of course to win the title this year for the green bay packers and bringing back in rogers and hopefully davante adams but the pressure is even greater than natch and gouda Murphy that green bay brass they too. I imagine like the rest of the world watched the last dance last year. And in that a big thing that was a takeaway was wow jerry. Krause had no idea what he was doing. That's raw jerry. Krause was one of the most brilliant guys in constructing a dynasty and the man. May he rest in should be celebrated as such hall of fame caliber and what he did there. But what is jerry. What else but what is your across remembered for. Not being able to keep that thing at the level was not keeping that team together now keeping that dynasty together leaving money on the table so all the good that he had done in his career Nobody remembers that they remember what happened. Mj left the dynasty. They left money on the table. And you would hope good akins. You would hope that murphy saw that and said okay. We've got a year in this year. How can we not be jerry. Krause how can people remember that. We did have this consistent thing here that we did do great things with the packers and we did keep aaron rodgers. We didn't leave money on the table. They have a year to figure out how not to be jerry krause and how not to be unfairly viewed in a way that maybe they don't have to be so and they do it in this year winning. We'll go a long way so who wins. Who won this whole scenario. Okay packers aaron rodgers or visit us at the end of the day. We win this scenario. Everyone wins this scenario. Everyone wins because aaron rodgers starting with him has a chance to further cement. His legacy has a chance to chase a second title. There in green bay is still playing at a high level gets the consistency around him to continue to do that. It's easier to play in a place where you know the system and you're comfortable and where you're established not have to go somewhere else. Figure it all out so he wins in that regard. He also gets a flexibility at the end of this year to do something previously until the contract was worked around that he would have had. He's got that flexibility. Rogers wins packers win because they are now the front runner to win. Nfc north a true favorite or one of the favorites to win the super bowl completely. Relevant don't have to throw jordan lab out there and hope for the best you've also piece fans we win because we love the last dance documentary last year. Love it like everybody. It was drama. It was an inside peek. Peel back the curtain. We got two little and that was going back in the past. We already knew how that story was. Written present day we get the last dance remix. We get to see this whole thing. Play out real time. We get to lean into the drama. We lean into the moments if things do go sell if it goes south. The speculation that we'll be doing the media that fans will be doing that. Drama is going to be so real the peaks and the valleys. We live it real time. That's what sport delivers theater and moments. They're going to be plenty of them. Green bay plenty of them is right okay. Well we'll continue with this story throughout the entirety of the morning. Aaron rodgers all but done deal to be back in green. Bay's the star this upcoming season for the packers much more to get to on the football front by the way this is key. Jalen zubin coming to you. Live from the seaport district at pier. Seventeen and we are brought to you by chase and there's also a lot going on in the midst of a baseball season right now because the trade deadline is on the horizon. It is friday and so we're going to go to the goodyear hotline. That's what we're presented by here. Keyshawn zubin and we're gonna be joined by former. Mlb player he also has a world series ring with the red sox as names will meadow brook. Joining us on the goodyear hotline. Good morning to you mr well. Let's start with the yankees. Shall we if the yankees by. What are they buying. And if they're selling what are they selling well first off. Good morning my favorite couple. The fact that you guys can do a radio show together and remained married as a base knows because his wife is in business and they do it to tell. This man gets what he's talking to hear the debate. We have over sport but yes. Let's get to the yankees because x red sock here love talking yankee especially when they're struggling so let's get after it they can't sell. Let's be honest the yankees their their egos too big. They can't sell And really realistically. They're not that far out of the car to three and half four days out of the wildcard there they're still in the mix there Their there uber talented. Now but i had a couple weeks ago the next couple of weeks. You're gonna tell me how aggressive they going to be at the deadline. The more and more. I thought about this doesn't your date. Of course they're going to be aggressive. I think they're gonna be ridiculously aggressive. I think they're going to be in on shares if they're going to be in all story boxed in all these big names. I think they're going to say forget the luxury tax. We've been trying to stay under all year and all last off season. And i think they go for it. I don't know if they can get all those players. I think they're going to be aggressive and trying to get them but they're going to have to take on a a lot of money to do that Like i said you can't sell because your first piece to sell your most valued players. Aaron judge. how much money does he bring that organization with ticket sales surging. Everything he's the face of the franchise you can't sell him. That's a really bad. Look to your fan base. So i think they go after sherzer. He's saying i want an extension. If you're gonna if you're gonna trade for me cover stories we're gonna have to extend him immediately but that's a really good team and you make those moves your all the sudden much more dangerous ball club and well. It's really interesting with the yankees because it's the yankees so they're never going to really be sellers I understand that pressure to remain relevant because of the standard set there but this is a team that's nine and a half games back in the slyke it's going south not going north and it doesn't really feel like it salvageable especially with some of the questionable managing coming from aaron boone which is another conversation but with all that being established. Does it behoove the yankees go. Chase assures her. Give up the farm for a team that is are. They really going to compete this year. If they make that move well there three and a half hours the card. So if you just this a playoff system if you get in with a derek coal you're gonna win. You have a good chance of winning a wildcard game and if you goget sherzer you don't necessarily have to give up your farm. You're just going to have to take on a lot of money and the issue. There is not only what he's this year and whatever you want to extend him and pay him. The issue with his contract is deferred money from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty eight fifteen a year since extra hundred five million dollars in deferred money that they would have to take on. So it's it's stretched out over the years and if you start looking at fifteen a year for a guy like that not that crazy to think. But he's thirty seven years old right now. He's not getting any younger pitcher. Start throwing harder this point in their career. So would it make sense for them to go get them. I really could see them making an effort to go get him. I if if they're willing to take on that all the deferred money because with this playoff system. If you get in with two star pitchers you have a really good chance to deepen the postseason interesting. We'll metroplex right now joining us on the good your hotline. A former mlb player. He also won a world series chip with the boston. Red sox okay. We talked a lot about the yankees. How about we go to my cubbies shall we. Did you see last night. The reaction from hotter dyas after he hit run home run. I'm sorry it was a walk off single against amir garrett. What did you make of that. Well number it's the first game of the series too so this could get a little hairy over the next days but amir garrett is we know he's taken on full dugout the teams for the past. He's not scared of throwing the hand but He didn't seem to get that mad. So that makes me think there is a relationship between the two so Amir is very quick to get really angry and fight and he didn't do that there so that makes me think there's something between him and his Kind of playful competitiveness. I don't know if it's gonna turn into something Unless another pitcher takes exception to it. But it seemed like fun competitiveness and didn't really seem like they got very angry about it. But hey that's exciting baseball. We need that. I love watching the cubs needed right now. Because over the next few days it might get a little dark there and in chicago. And let's go there will because i joked with my chicago cubs loving wife ear that remember that moment from hobby buys because there may not be many more in those cubs pinstripes there and wrigley field as for the cubs including hobby bias. Who do you think it's moved from these cubs because they can be difference makers on some of these contenders yeah they had so many valuable pieces to contenders they'll start with kris bryant. He's an mvp candidate or he's been an mvp he's got mvp upside. And i think even more importantly he's his defensive versatility makes them that much more valuable right so you can play thirty to i. I wouldn't waste his talented. I focus wasting his athleticism but he can play all three outfield positions at a high level. And then he gives you a middle order bat that can change one sweet so There's a lot of value there. I think the mets make a lot of sense. I guess i mean a lot of things. Make sense for chris brown. I guess it was person that you can plug in anywhere. And that's that's nice organization. The messa giants the phillies. I feel like are the top. Three the mets being Having the biggest need. I could see them trying to package kimbrel And brian to go the math. I feel like that's a really good fit but it would take it would take quite a haul For that and then by rizzo look. There are a lot of red sox and rizzo talk. He was drafted by the socks. We were drafted in the same draft. Together we play together in the low minor league before he was traded to san diego but I don't know if rizzo to to boston's a great move. He's he's still a really good player is a great leader He's not the same bat. I don't know if you're going to get as much for rizzo but start looking interests. He's got a little more control on his contract over the next couple of years So you can probably get a lot return controllers as well. I hate all this comes on. This all over voided anymore. Will i would talking to will middlebrooks right now. Former major league baseball players as a twenty thirteen world series ring with the boston. Red sox Let's go to shohei ohtani okay. His thirty fifth home run. But since the all-star break has kinda struggled is he worn out. I mean he is doing the most stealing bases hitting runs pitching at this point. What's going on. He's just tired and this is what we call in baseball. The dog days. It's you can't haven't really caught your second wind you might. Trade deadline gets here. That's over worth getting august and you had the second one. Then you the last sixty games you feel a lot better. But there's a span from the end of june through july where you're just exhausted especially every player. And that's not even i'm speaking just a hitter. I wasn't Itching every day either so He and his all star break. He didn't get a break even his off days he wasn't in the homerun derby or playing all star game. He was traveling. He was flying somewhere. So we didn't get a true even one off-day during the all all-star break to just sit on the couch and benoit's something on that's why you know so What's he deserves. Yeah he started off four for twenty four With a homer to start the second. Half which. I was not surprised. He's like. I said he's just exhausted but the last three games started heat up. He he had some walks last night but he's still pissed. Well he's do hit a hundred miles an hour ninety nine pitch last night He has what five hits in the last three games. He's heating up again. The homers and start piling up again. I still think he gets fifty homers and mike transplant even back yet so it might trump eventually comes back from this catholic phillies issue. That's gonna he's gonna hit behind otani. Oh it's gonna get more pitches to hit especially with runners in scoring position Because they won't have to pitch around otani because you can't pitch around on to get somebody trials beyond it so that's going to help us best as well. We'll some some news. It surprised me yesterday as a big move in the national league. I assumed adam frazier would go from pittsburgh. Stay and go over to the american league and end up with chicago. White sox out of frazier did not get moved to the white sox. In fact Moved to san diego padres and it's interesting to me because these padres feel like they are making a statement like we are coming for the hardware this year. What does this do for the padres. How does it affect. What now becomes a national league arms. Race adam frazier. I mean super undervalued player. Because he's not he's not hitting mcdonagh homered that's valued in baseball right now but he leads. The league in his canadian has a twelfth. Strikeout rate average is like twenty so this is. He's an anomaly right now in this era so he's versatile too so he's the second baseman Mo- second basis here but the politics cronin were very good second baseman So adam frazier is also. He's played some outfield as well. It's gonna give doesn't some flexibility there lineup and this is a depth movement. I think this is gonna help them. Once the postseason gets here Also to get to the postseason. I think we're gonna see three playoff teams from the from the west. The issue is they wanna make a push to win the division. Because you don't want to be a one game winner take all against the dodgers or giants in that wildcard game because both teams have really good stuff. Pitchers has do as you the padres with darvish now and they have a ton of pictures as well. But you just don't want to be in a position to put your your season on the line of one game so of course they're gonna push for that all right we'll middlebrooks. Thanks so much for the time. We really appreciate this morning. Giving us the latest from the world of major league baseball. We'll talk to you later. Guys thank you. Take care buddy. Will middlebrooks is brought to you by samsung galaxy. You won't be able to go back to mediocre after this. Are you ready for this life. Find out at samsung dot com slash. Reserve okay back to football. all thirty. Two teams will be in training camp by the end of today. But not all. Starting quarterbacks will be jordan. We'll tell you who's missing camp next keyshawn jalen will zubin on. Espn radio and on espn news. This is a metaphor for your businesses journey. Sometimes it feels like the course keeps changing right before your eyes and in order to maneuver. You need an expert biocide. That's what technologies advisors do. They have the tech solutions. You need help you get out and stay ahead of the game colin advisor today at eight seven seven ask down. 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But we are going to go to the jets because somehow someway the jets always find themselves in the news for not the right reasons and it is continuing this morning. Quarterback wilson remains unsigned as the jets. Open training camp today tomorrow. Is the first practice for the jets. And there's an issue here. Essentially with zach wilson. He's in southern california based on his instagram story. Training probably with his kelly based quarterback coach john beck. The two sides are haggling over contract details. Essentially which has offset language in it. espn's rich demeaning said discussions over the offset. Language could be the reason why wilson has yet not yet signed with the jets. Such language would allow the jets to recoup some money if they cut wilson before the end of his four-year contracts. Now there should be noted that the jets typically require this in all of their contracts. And so i ask you. Training camp is starting their rookie. Quarterback's on the other side of the country. Is this kind of a bad luck. It's a bad look. It's a tough situation. And you hope it can say previous history has shown that this gets a little dicey but ultimately the jets have been able to figure it out when push comes to shove. It's a big deal because robert saleh and this was something he was asked about early on was kinda. Roll the dice without having a veteran backup. Qb their new york and that not to not have one is now really an issue because this team with camp starting looks to us ernie stewart with a new coaching staff. And get healthy and offense and they've got pieces one now the first team reps. If you don't get zack in there. We'll go to. James morgan and mike white. What about james morgan. And mike. What nothing and you know with his teammates. They probably to know nothing about james or mike so this becomes somewhat of an issue if it doesn't get resolved because naturally this is your franchise guy but there's no veteran presence in the meantime there's no okay. Well at least we'll get off to a right. Start with guys who know and then we can get zack in here. You need zach their day one because he is your day one guy as we talk about trae lance justin fields. There's other guys. They're they're gonna lean on those other guys. These guys will get the chance. Later on wilson zack's good to be the guy so he needs to be in camp. He needs to get acclimated a big time talent but needs to get acclimated with his teammates immediately. Agree with all you just said. Also this is the third time in four years a jets first round pick is remained unsigned just days before training camp also. According to rich amini again they are squabbling over offset language. Those are his words not mine quarterback. Trevor lawrence has no offsets. Justin fields has no offsets for the bulk of his money. The jets always do deals with offsets and that is likely the hold up. So what does this tell me. Jets get rid of the offsets in the contracts. You're signing for your working quarterbacks. This is happening year after year. Clearly this is a problem time after time. Apparently stop it like there's always issues with the jets. That are fixable problems like if this is. What's holding your rookie quarterback who has never played a down in the national football league to not be at training camp. Get rid of it and move on so you can get the rookie quarterback established with his team so we can build some chemistry and start working towards some ws in your future. I'm sick of the nonsense with the jets. It's year after year. There's always something there's always some sort of problem. It's stupid like get rid of this language. None of these other rookie quarterbacks have it why do you. You make phenomenal point and those taxes jersey new york area. They no joke. So you don't want to mess with any other language guaranteed money and you also don't want to get off on the wrong foot knowing what we know about this league as much of the news today zeman dominated by aaron rodgers. You want to from day one. Treat your franchise quarterback like somebody who had any moment could turn and walk now. It's a rookie contract. He'll be under wilson assuming good sign but when that next contract comes around you want some equity you wanna relationship built in. That's all to a good start. This is a bad look. Because they're on both sides because he's being nickel and dime with something in a language that has had Previous strap picks about issue with so as you look at it. I'm thinking. Hey the bengals did. Right by joe borough went and to the guy he wanted. Jamaa chase We've seen what's happened with russell wilson. When he felt slighted out there we see and aaron rodgers. Tom brady was about being slighted. Probably not just new scenery but guys are gonna remember stuff. They're going to have a memory and so in this kind of situation you would hope the jets figure this out. This doesn't linger and ultimate because there is no presence at the backup position for the jets at you. You're probably like me where you believe. Wilson is going to be a heck of a player right Yeah that remains to be seen for me. What i do know is he's going to be the week one starter and so all. This nonsense is just delaying the inevitable. Which is delaying the fact that he needs to get acclimated with his team and he needs to get situated as a week one starter. Who has a lot of stuff to do a special amount of time absolutely especially because of what the jets were last year. I think they were able to get him in the first but you know what they started to do. Some things and we're still competitive down the stretch last year. But you're wiping clean and you're starting a new c. Don't want anything problematic. You don't want anything that's like you don't want any negative news. You want a fresh start. You wanna come. In zack's our guy coach salazar guy. We are healthy. We are ready to make moves to put all that behind us. This is not that they need to get this result okay in two thousand eighteen darnold representatives. Sam darnold that has had an issue with not just offsets but also language that will allow that would have allowed the jets to void guaranteed money if they were fined by the nfl. Okay eventually the jets took the language out of the deal. Darnold did agree to have offsets in his deal and there was also a fight over how his signing bonus would be paid again chaos like again with the contract. Chaos teams can defer payments darnold. Got all of his twenty million and so on and so forth again though. Why do we keep doing this year after year. Like there's all these disagreements and this isn't a disagreement right out of the gates. Training camp opens today like teams report. Today why are we still having these kinds of discussions. This is what perturbs me about about the jets like. It's just always last minute. Not necessarily get to the bottom of it and move on. There is no tougher position for work to do. There's no tougher position for a rookie to adjust to then a rookie stepping into the quarterback position in new york city in new york city with the with all eyes on him because again. There is no backup quarterback there. There's no other decision when you say he's going to be the day one quarterback. I know you are totally against like most of starting a rookie quarterback but when james morgan and mike white are the other options there. They've made the declarative statement. There with these jets. Zack's our guy zack's playing week one. So if that's the case this guy it's imperative you get this figured out. He can't miss a second of the information he needs a soak up and the rhythm and the connection. He needs to develop with this. It is essential and there needs to be a sense of urgency and handling it. And i just remind everyone to they face week one the carolina panthers and you know who they face week one the guy that does know that off will not really 'cause they they've a new head coach does know that organization inside and out and sam darnold. That's who you have week. One jets until the time that you are wasting right now with this manusha in a contract is absolutely silly. When you have a quarterback the not only has moved completely across the country coming from byu notch. New york. City needs to get acclimated with maybe the toughest city to get acclimated with in the united states but also now is dealing with this outside noise of not having a contract and needs to get to know where he's going to be practicing all the time and who is going to be practicing with what he's got going on like. This needs to get resolved and it needs to get resolved in the worst way. I repeat week one against the panthers and the former jets quarterback in sam darnold. You don't think there's going to be a lot of headlines writing a lot of headlines. I'm excited for sam. Darnold to get a new start equally excited equally and for different reasons but to see. Zach wilson get out there either or the guy the stuff that i hear about him is you'll be wowed by what this guy can do. And he's confident as all get out so for guy coming into new york a guy that might be coming in late because of this contract nonsense. Maybe zach wilson's a guy can take that all on his plate and just all in deliver maybe but hopefully they get. It worked out sooner rather than later keyshawn jay williams even is presented by progressive insurance drivers who save with progressive. Save over seven hundred dollars on average caller. Click today and find out if we could save you. Hundreds on your car insurance speaking of quarterbacks showing up day one to train cam let's go to green bay for the latest on aaron rodgers. Next right here on k jay z. On espn packers are now offering concessions to the reigning nfl mvp. This is about creating ads for our roger to leave green bay potentially after this season. This is key sean. Jalen zubin these days. The sports headlines are full of new records being set at world-class speeds. Well our friends at carmax bring some world class speed of their own with instant offers at carmax dot com. 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Fdic all right. Stand up green bay. A-rod is in town getting ready for training camp amongst the cheese heads keyshawn chamberlain zubin presented by progressive. Insurance guests join us on. The goodyear hotline. Shay jordan cornet filling in for the guys this morning. Jay we've been saying all morning but we might as well reiterate. The fact that aaron rodgers indeed is back in green bay and he's just working out the final details of his contract restructuring. If you will so he can take the field and be a part of training camp. That's a good to get underway here today as the packers and the rest of the league will report today and so after today all thirty two teams will have reported or participated in training camp so the nfl season is officially underway. We're going to get the latest of what is going on in green bay with our guy rob domanski. Espn packers reporter. Good morning to you rob. I know what is been a very busy off season for you and it like it's only just beginning this morning but nonetheless aaron rodgers sounds like he will be there if not today in the very near future. So what can you tell. Us is the latest on the situation. With aaron rodgers will shake touchdown last night and green bay at austin struggle international airport and yes we have an international airport. Hearing players are reporting to lambofield today the first mandatory team meeting is at around noon local time players. Already begun to trickle in this morning from various meetings and physicals and testing and the like now rogers in town. That's one thing but does he actually show up here at lambofield and participate in that order. Does he wait until the final details are hammered out. We'll wait to see on that. Were not expected to hear from anyone with the packers today. Whether it's matt leflore or rogers or anyone else the first time that will really see them is tomorrow. When they open training camp practice matt leflore. The coach will speak before practice in selected players after. So we're in a bit of a holding pattern at this point so rob. The report as it's told to us is concessions. Were made to get aaron rodgers back to green bay understanding that the is have been dotted season up in cross. But can you elaborate on. What those concessions or not really jordan. I mean that that was shafter report and and what my guess is that basically the main concession is that they're going to consider letting rogers go and trade him after the season if he'll come and play this year now obviously there's other things that he wants we know he's wanted input into things like hiring coaches and and keeping or not keeping certain players so i'm sure there's some of that but one league executive texted me yesterday after the first report came out and said welcome to the nba. And i think what he meant by that was the fact that is really one of the first times in the nfl that a star player can really sort of dictate his terms on what he's going to play and we see that a lot obviously in basketball. It's not all that common in the nfl and this executive also said to me jordan said well. It's i guess it's bigger than the team. It looks like a one year deal. And then they trade him. Okay so i want to build off of that because that's something interesting here because when we look at this from our perspective it's like the packers won the situation yes. There was a little bit of compromise but nonetheless. They do get their starting quarterback back in aaron rodgers rights. So don't you think that it's the other way where the team got what they wanted versus the player. Well i don't know if there were any winners in it really shame. More of a compromise. You can say aaron rodgers Also won because now. He's going to get to decide whether he finished his career his career here or gets a chance to tom brady and play elsewhere. The only thing he had to do was play for a year so You know who knows how how he'll play and who knows what kind of attitude he'll come in. I mean let's say he shows up and you know it is unpleasant to be around or i'm just speaking hypothetically here but what good is that too. I mean you would think he would be all in but you know who knows until he's actually on the field and in the locker room and and the other thing is what impact does it actually have on the other fifty two guys in the locker room when they know that one player you know is is getting to dictate things Across the board i. It's it's an interesting dynamic and it'll be one That will be interesting to see how it plays out. It would certainly love to be in an open locker room. And sort of get a vibe which you know unfortunately given the circumstances of access during the pandemic. We're probably not going to get that. I'm mean where is my popcorn. This is incredible. This is we've made all these references to the last dance and mj. And scotty and one more ride announced devante and aaron in that regard. And like you said rob. You can't wait to get in there to get a vibe with the team and see how this thing works and we don't know how aaron is arriving. What his head space is. It's going to play a role as best as you can project. You know having the beat on this team covering them and understanding the dynamics. Do you anticipate. There's some fracture relationships and there's some stuff that needs to be worked through because of what played out here in the off season with aaron absolutely and and that's a great point and that's maybe why maybe he won't come and practice right away if he doesn't it's probably because there's some things that need to be worked out behind the scenes to make sure that the hurt feelings are mandated. We'll find that out on wednesday when they actually hit the practice field to see you know what he does if anything but there are some things that need to be repaired. Rodgers can come out and say hey look. I never said this publicly. This was all you know. Backchannel information and and he can deny it. But the fact of the matter is jordan that a lot of this stuff that has come out signifies that rogers has some gripes with the organization the way they've handled things over the years. He told us toll. Kenny mayne i should say in that sportscenter interview back in may that it's about the people it's not about the building it's not about the assets it's about the people in the relationships that are made that produce winning football teams which i gonna in monterey now. Espn pack reporter quickly before we let you go. We only have about a minute here. Rob what does this mean for matt. Leflore in gm. What does this mean for. Upper management rather with the packers brass going forward leflore. Shay was in a weird spot because he wanted rogers here all the time because as any coach would he knows that his best chance to win he was sort of put in the middle of it. Once they drafted jordan love little over a year ago. So you know the floor has been all in on trying to get everything they can to get rogers play. Meanwhile you have cocoons to the general manager and president mark murphy who are charged with looking to the long term success of the franchise. And that's where jordan love comes in so it's an interesting dynamic. Rogers said all along. I love my coaches. I love my teammates. I love the fans. He never once mentioned shea in that interview with kenny. Mayne anything about the front office. Like reading between the lines. Rob man after my own heart. Thank you so much for the time this morning. For all the details. We appreciate it and know you've got a very busy day ahead of you. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks. that's rob ski. Espn packers reporter. Giving us the latest talking to rob it kind of opened my eyes to. I think a conversation. We might have to expand on obviously run the show in this next hour again. You run this show in the sex. Our i think there's something really to dive into their in in regards to this dynamic. Maybe there is a lot more to it. As i think about having played on teams. There's something but here's another angle that i'm thinking as we talked to rob. This is aaron rodgers devante atoms and it's us to in a final dance in his last dance. It's us to do in this thing now. Brought it's fifty other guys along with you to like. There's there's there's fifty one other guys along with you too out there and there is a divisiveness that aaron has brought to this thing. And if you're going into this together there's a way in which it feels like errands elevated himself as being bigger than the team. Is that going to be that big. I was saying all morning long. I married you. Because i love how your mind works. I mean come on is time you. It's a business. No one's gonna feel like that when i'm wrong this. Why don't do look what brady day. No one said a word look what. Mj did no one said a word. And you beg for somebody to apologize to you all the time. and why would i not when. I'm wrong when you do it like this. Why can't i try to evolve. You're keeping me stuck in quicksand. Here let me try to say you're right bay say it again. You're right and i think we got something more. It's a grab damanski to tell you for you to actually listen to what i was saying the whole time. It's not just about aaron rodgers who break. We'll see we'll stay with the packers next right here on k jay z. Radio espn app. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. Fortunately geico makes it easy to bundle your home and car insurance. It's a good thing too. Because having a home is hard work go to geico dot com. 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Hour 4: Who Has The Advantage?

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Hour 4: Who Has The Advantage?

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Join us. On the goodyear hotline. Jason fitz bart scott saying. Did a little chilly in the studio. I'm not gonna lie. We'll chilly drinking a lot of water. Trying to take care of my voice right like all of these. Little chilly bart like i like you. You're like i need. I don't even know did try wake. That's a little jolt of energy. So i just you know with the cowboys reporting and we've been talking all week about camp this weekend. The buccaneers have been. We'll be reporting. We're asking you guys you can chime in triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven to nine three seven seven six. Who's the biggest threat to the buccaneers this year in the nfl for the super bowl. But you know. I think about what we just heard we need. We need practice. We need like in the in the sense of normalcy. But also to me. I keep looking at what we saw last year. And i say at some point we have to crumble like just crumpled up rookie performance. We have to crumple up free agents join teams last year like so much difference in the way preparation went last year. I think we're finally going to be able to relax and say hey. Let's see a normal. Nfl off season that leads to a normal nfl season. But it was very good point that you put up right because you know people don't understand protocols these guys were never together they walk through and stuff were different. They would go home. Have meetings on zoom calls right so missed that chemistry. You missed that communication when you're in the back and you you're able to sit next to your teammate. And it may just be working together on a certain play and you have the defense coordinator offense coordinator breaking play down. And he's breaking all the the the big picture but you're able to communicate with your friend and your team because we all sit together in groups. So mainly for instance david hare's or ray lewis weekday. Hey man if this happens again. I want you to play like this is how i see so you get the details right in the nuance of how how you see things collectively all. That was lost last year. All the chemistry been able to expand packages right. You have to keep things tight because what happens is a great coordinator. Great coach gives you the tools of the two bucks and you have to nowhere to to pull up. Pull out but you only know that by getting repetitions and being able to get put in these situations rather than practice rose in a walk through and of course the game. So i think we're gonna see a much cleaner christmas season this year but also we're going to see more refined and more expanded packages and more creativity. Now one of the things that i love about my job and one of the coolest things about working at. Espn is getting to talk to former players as a as a fan of the game that now gets to cover the game when you get to sit down and talk to a bunch of guys that really know football about what's happening in a football play it. It's so interesting to me. But one thing i think we forget. Sometimes there are a couple of human elements to this number one. Being an nfl player in many ways is like being in school constantly constantly watching reading rehashing. Everything breaking things down like you're constantly in school so for everybody that has watched their own kids in school on zoom over the last year and said well it just feels different. How was it felt. Nfl players and then even when you've been in the same room last year there had to be some hesitant when you're thinking okay. Are we allowed to be here. Can we not be here. We're wearing masks. We not wear masks. Are you like are you sick and my sick. So you take all of these extra things and i know most fans listening or just sitting and saying i don't care go out into your job. Nothing in life is simple. The human element really impacted last year's nfl season. It's gotta feel different this year because you can get back to having the opportunity to break it down with everybody. They extra like like i tell you. If football was taught in school most people will fail right me. And i'm just talking about the book work right. I'm talking about drawn. Plays and being able to say who's responsible all eleven. Do you gotta know what you do but also one shift one motion changes everything so one defense literally can be probably about twenty different things based on you know the movement the honorable the line front if the tight ends on the titans. All if he shifts over at all this needs to be communicated by the way as a consequence if your communications bad one you give up a big play. You may lose your job or to. Somebody might nights you because you don't see that somebody's outflanked you and everybody come ear hole you end saudi temple. You may be going to sleep for about five to ten minute. It's funny you mentioned that. And for me when i spent so many years in music i remember. We had one show that. I was playing with the band where the power went out completely. Then i mean the entire the entire. We were planning an outdoor festival. I think it was in arizona. It was so hot. Everything over overheated speakers went out lights when everything went out it was still daylight and at that time i looked around. Everybody immediately said okay. Let's move from here to here. We're all going to do this in front of this group. I knew exactly what to do. Because i've been in the music business since i was a little kid. So you look at it and say there's no variable here. I'm not ready for. I flash forward to when i first started at. Espn something went wrong on a radio. Show i don't remember what it was but i had no idea how to handle it. And you know you look at it and say god no matter what you're in at some point life experience and then getting the reps matter you know and you flash forward doing ot l. for like a year and a half ago and we had all these issues live on tv. And i knew exactly what to do. Because you've been through it. I think what we have to remember it no matter whether you make widgets or spreadsheets for a living whatever it is some point repetition matters and being in the situation with your teammates. Worker co coworkers matters. We didn't have that last year. And when i hear z. Can and when we hear the cowboys talking about the way things went last year. And you hear them say we need practice. I think there's a lot of reasons. I fundamentally you need it to get better like. There's a reason it exists but also needed for normalcy. You need it for consistency. You it for like habits all just sort of make sense to say hey. Whatever we saw last year we'll it'll be different ended in tragedy in mainly speaking. We talk about the defense of the dallas cowboys right. I've been in. Mike nolan system. It is so many chips and checks and audibles within that system. That if you're a dumb football team or you don't you're unsure and you don't pull the trigger soon as you see the shift motion or something. You lost your loss. And i think a lot of that. Last year for them was a lack of communication or miscommunication. So what happens is now. You're afraid to say anything because you all use our farm your own land. You saying i'm not going to say if it's your job and see what happens is right. You could be out there and you can forget to make your particular check right. But if i'm x ray lewis lewis note outflows. Mega check right. Because this is a system to. He's been in since he's been in the lee so he makes the check for me when you don't if you're unsure he's unsure don't nobody say nothing and then what happens is you give up the big play. And that's what happens. Now they have opportunity having off-season dan quinn's going bring the system is not as complicated as more about being in the right place and playing and being simple and just performing at a high level than it is as as your out tricking everybody well and to that end i expect players to come out especially the players that were disappointed with last year with the different Different zeki lily The cowboys running back talked about last year struggle. And what it means for this year. The by last year just Kind of film you. Let your teammates down You that that hurts You know. I wanna make sure that. I put my best step forward and do everything that i need to do to help this team. Women experienced lows to enjoy the high. So i mean definitely has some lows last year. So i'm ready to spears. Is this year and that comes back to again last year new coaching staff. Like if you're the cowboys if you're a cowboys fan you think about last year and virtually everything was lost because you got a new coaching staff bringing in a new system and through the process of a new system. You also don't have normal meetings. You don't have normal opportunity to breakdown filming near two hundred dollars. Zoom and. I would love to live in a world where that was effective. But i just don't know how effective it is. You said you know you can. You can have a dumb football team. That doesn't communicate well and a few years ago buddy of mine said look. I grew up always hearing. There's a difference between book smart and street smart right like my brother street. Smart i was booked miles met. Yeah there's there's a difference between. I would also say we have to remember. There's football smart to and like there's different ables of football. Smart and part of the skill of coaching is trying to figure out where your guys are on that spectrum and making sure that you're getting everybody lifted to the same communication. I can't imagine to your point. You mentioned earlier. Every shift creates change. What happens if you and i are on the same team. I see the change one way or the other way. I think we saw a lot of that last year to that point and you talk about ezekiel elliott. Maybe trying to do too much. Because their leader dak prescott goes down and he's fighting for yards and when you fight for yards you exposed to football right. I think that was the issue with the with the problems and also he did have covy right so adjusted from covert as a running back. You'll have to worry about your breath and not really having the energy so now you you you. You add that to the fact that you're fighting then what happens is the gets a little loose weight from you away from your core because you're not in shape in the ball comes out you know he's reporting the campaign to eighteen the lightest since freshman year of high school. So that tells you that he's ready to go and also he's ready to understand that as you get older the pounds out the come off because your ability to recover is a lot lot longer. The breaking news. There's he was to. Eighteen is freshman year in high school. I mean that is a big right. There was a solid hundred and twenty pounds my freshman year in high school. What were you know when you tattoo tom. Tom you know you about that eating that eating life okay. Tattoo you're tom-tom that's what we're go- tattoo. You're tom dumb kid. I mean i no. It's part of the charm bart scott. I love tattoo you're done. That's like one area. I would never tattoo though because like on the. i admit. My weight fluctuates stupid. I'd feel good about that. That to like one one day out of every i dunno six and a half years. It'd be like you put a face on it. Looks nice and tight end like his frown and the next day because you just yeah. I probably top. At one day every having my profile pic all right kishan. Jalen zubin on. Espn radio the espn app. Siriusxm channel eighty bart scott. Jason fitz. We're talking about the cowboys. Because they're in encamping. Obviously the buccaneers take camp this weekend and it led to some controversy with us. Maybe little in fighting with us and our friend. Mike tannenbaum earlier as he said this on get up about who the biggest threats hard to threat is to the buccaneers dak prescott. They're going to win the division they are the biggest threat in the nfc to the tampa bay buccaneers. They're going to be a top five offense during get back. Three offensive lineman dan. Quinn's gonna make a massive impact on the defensive side of the ball so i think this is going to be a very successful year for them. I think dot prescott is going to be a top five quarterback. He has one playoff games. Dan just as a reminder something that matt stafford hasn't done and i expect this to compete against tampa bay in the nfc championship. I mean just the look of disdain. On bart scott's face. Because i don't understand that matthew stafford hate right. It's not like that press guys been to the playoffs like all the time. What he's been there twice seasons he's been around for a little bit too. I mean i don't get it. I mean this this can be a good team but this division goals from the nfc leaks to. I think the nfc beast right. Because i think that washington is going to be much improved with this tragic fritsch madge whatever you wanna call him over there because he has a way of performing at such a high level that you buy in on him and you start depending on then he let you down right now then. A newlywed phase. The best defense. They don't have like a good defense they have potentially a great defense potentially historical defense. When you think about james davis coming in and giving them that athletic guy space they give help against tight ends but their front four when you can double everybody you can start doubling people because you know that your four pass rushers create havoc now from the edges from from the interior as well that listen you can have a great offense and still have a good season. If you have a dominant defense you can have a bad offense and still be effective. I did it with baltimore. We talk about the two thousand baltimore team and people for. Everybody says you can't win that way anymore. The game is different. Hogwash right you know. This is just a modern day. You know what we see today is is what the run-and-shoot was for people. Back in the day is what the buffalo bills the shotgun with thurman thomas and jim kelly was right. It's something that now everybody's doing defense will adjust and you still. If you have a defense it usually comes down to stop forfeit one or can you pick four from one up and you have a dominant defense. Who can win consistently oh consistent. Base would have as many times as people drop in pass now the bad the greater the opportunity for something bad to happen and feels like washington. Football team really built their defense. It's almost like they're watching the game plan of the forty niners and saying. Hey y'all have built this dominant way over here and then all we have to do is get pretty good quarterback play and we put ourselves in the conversation Triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven two nine three seven. Seven six is how you get into the conversation. Tell us who you think. The biggest threat to the tampa. Bay buccaneers are this year. I got to say that fully so people. Don't think we're talking about the milwaukee bucks all right in the meantime i'll i'm going to get your thoughts on a team. We haven't talked about yet. But first jason and phoenix apparently is. He's he's got harsh words for your bar. Jason what do you got my next call on the show. Hey bar You know. I'm from michigan. I'm living phoenix. But i'm from michigan. And i think you'll everybody in michigan especially barry sanders. An apology for quitting stafford in the same sense comparing very sanders. No no you was. Okay go go ahead go ahead but my question is you're talking about arm talent then you were talking about how the defense has to react all these different ways one ship and everything like that. I always felt like that was kind of weird. Stafford fell short. Is the mental part of the game. He has all the arm talent. But it's almost like and i also wanna say we're going to be better this year. I read this year with over stafford. It's almost like chad pennington in Jeff george hey. Hey jason remember when you heard me say. I don't know if you often you listen. I talk about dumb football players. I believe jared goff is one of those. Don't football player and that's why mcveigh got frustrated with them. You know why they get to the offense align scrimmage so so fast is because mcveigh can give him the answers to the test because coast can communicate with the quarterback up to fifteen seconds. I think he got tired of it was fine as you know his early in his in his career but at year four year. Five after we give you money. I still have give you the answers to the test. I can't give you the tools to the tool box. You don't know what to do. He had frustrated. And you hear what did what did he say about matthew stafford all he does is talk about and global his football acumen just because he has a real quarterback now. So you think that you're going to take a dump quarterback and put them in a on a bad team. We're maybe the worst roster he's going to be able to be effective no it's going to be even worse and i'm not putting matthew staffing and barry sanders in the same category. I'm saying if barry sanders can't do it. What do you expect from matthew stafford. Very only one one playoff game right and they want to destroy bye. Bye bye philadelphia. Rice the fact that matthew stafford not winning a playoff game is ten bombs argument. I'm saying well you speak to him to be that much greater than barry sense. I mean i use just for preaching. You just took us all to school like i. I'm with you on that and You know it's funny. Fan base is kind of pick and choose what they love hate about their quarterback when realistically we all want to have aaron rodgers our quarterback somebody like aaron rodgers. It's amazing how often well this guy he's smart but he doesn't have the best arm talent. He's got the talent. But he's not smart enough. in fact. Most quarterbacks are just pretty good. Yes he but this. This is what jason failed to realize why. I'm talking about all this. He's seen me as a jet in raven he doesn't realize amongst his name. We had jason from phoenix. Detroit native. i still have three one. Three michigan license never never ever changed my license up. All my cars are registered in michigan. I have a home in michigan. So i when i speak and i'm speaking about matthew staffing lions organization. I'm speaking from fan and as a former. Nfl player well. Let's stick with that. I think is andrew in detroit. Wants to chime in on all you got all the michigan love coming your way bart andrew on the show. What do you got man. Come on now we. We see matthew stafford all years. He has some of the greatest arm. Talent out there in the gang by far but the man has issues between the head he has an easy check down to go ahead and get the. I prefer to go down field and take the long shot that is to make The coast williams news his mind because he wanna tell them. Why not take this. Shortstop get the first down instead of always taking that deep andrew andrew. Tell me how many times in his career. I think he was with the lying for eleven years. Correct eleven years two years out of twelve years. Tell me how many times he had one hundred yard rusher in twelve years. Tell me okay. Don't tell me you give me an sms. Two years two years it he. He's there for twelve years. He had a yard rusher eight times. Eight times thousand russia. I know he's also he's also had one of the best receivers of our lifetime. He's also had other weapons around him. Any has had defense point times. Matthew tavern didn't get the job done on a lot of situations. This don't call will this is the maddening. Part of this is again. We pick and choose our battles right. He's talking about the fact that matthew stafford doesn't check down right and then as a raiders. Fan the argument is all derek. Carr does check down all day long. We we want. We won't have cake you needed to like you're talking about somebody that for over four thousand yards in two thousand six touchdowns here with detroit like a really close friend of mine sportswriter years ago said take your favorite team and ask yourself how many players on this team today would start for a playoff team and just go across the entire roster. How many of them would start across a playoff team. I'm not talking about one wide receiver. I'm not talking about having one weapon that you can go to look like look at the entire lineup. Like the lions are a poorly and have been many many years in his in his career poorly constructed roster. Like what do you. We all want a quarterback who else name name another. I mean we all want our favorite teams quarterback to be a guy that singlehandedly wins. Thirteen games guess. What that doesn't there's like four of those so if that's what you really. Maybe i'm using the bar. Yeah that's that's the bar then be prepared for an entire lifetime of just absolute misery. Because you're you're not gonna hit it like most teams are shooting for a quarterback. That's good enough to win you games when they have the right pieces around the. That's real right. I mean don't don't miss me with calvin johnson okay. They were putting four people in johnson and he still was making a connection count. Who else did he have. That was playing on the other side of calma john. Marvin jones like come on matter of fact margaret. Joel's came afterwards. That was his number one receiver and he's still got you four thousand dollars. I think it's only been a couple of years when he hasn't had four thousand yards. He's through for five thousand dollars twice and guess what. I can't check the ball down because that's what my defense can stop. Nobody down about thirty. Oh got it down. You're down about thirty. I mean is the picking and choosing we do on. The metrics of quarterbacks as fans is maddening. the worst thing you any fan base can feel is when you finally feel like you've got your guy and then all of a sudden you decide that your guy is good and now he should be insane. He should be a hall of famer. He should be the best in the league realistically. If you've got a quarterback that's actually pretty good like top ten ish in the nfl. You're winning i. I totally don't understand the logic on it but you guys are fired up triple eight say. Espn the lines are packed. We'll let you guys keep chiming in on the show as we continue to go through and ask you who can really be a threat to the buccaneers this year. We've got some great calls. We'll get to those in a minute but coming up next why the nfl's new memo may hit one nfl market harder than any other. We'll tell you about it after bart tells you about. Oh o'reilly you have a car problem but don't know where to go. Maybe you're not close to home when your car breaks down that'll riley all apart help with o'reilly auto parts shot referral program take the guesswork out of a great shot wherever you are caller raleigh location near you or visit rally dot com and click fine final repair shop to find a reputable repair facility or service center for your repairs flick if the nfl was concerned at all about like the science behind the vaccine. There's no way that they would be putting any type of potential mandates. The we haven't heard from the union tells me that they signed off on this. This is key sean. Jay williams zubin with no fees or minimums on checking and savings accounts. 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The nfl has sent two teams informing them that if an unvaccinated player very clear here if an unvaccinated player causes any sort of Kovic spread that results in a game needing to be altered. The game will not be postponed. It will be forfeited will result in a loss for the team and it will result in the team that loses having to con to cover any costs involved with that. This is a big statement as remember. This is not the same rule. A vaccinated player is part of an outbreak. Then the league has said it will do everything it can. To help mitigate the cost or competitive advantage that could come from it so there is a vast difference to the standard that the league will be holding players and teams with unvaccinated players on the roster which leads to a really important question for so many of us. What's it due to. Vegas ski sean. Jalen zubin on. Espn radio the espn app. Siriusxm channel eighty presented by progressive insurance part. Scott jason fitz sitting in for the guys. And we're gonna head straight to the goodyear hotline because there are times it you just pick up the phone and you say you need help and we need help from. Espn daily wager expert. Joe forton ball one of our best. We mentioned the one. Nfl market that will be hit more than anybody. The nfl's memo. That's vegas so. Let's get the vegas thoughts on it and joe. I'm going to start really simple here. So how vegas handling the nfl's memo regarding potential forfeitures if there's an outbreak among unvaccinated players like how are they handling that right now. Greg question fits good to be with you guys going to be with you bar. I would say this and this is going to be the most important message. I try to get across as we have this discussion. If you bet season win totals which is a bet over or under. How many games specific. Nfl team will win during the year. You make bets like that. You make any bets at all. No the rules at your sports book. No matter what book your working with no the rules because they vary and because sometimes you can get into a situation late. Were you think you're winning. But it's either no action or maybe you're even losing. Here's a perfect example. Two years ago when the covert outbreak happened. I had a season win. Total bet on the golden state warriors under fifty wins okay. The warriors were terrible steph. Got hurt early in the year. Klay wasn't gonna play that season before the covert outbreak even happened the warriors had lost so many games. It didn't matter they were going to go under that win total. That was a winning. But then the outbreak happened. The season got shut down and because the nba did not play a minimum of eighty games. Which was the rule that my sportsbook the bet was no action so it was a winning bet but i didn't make any money off. It still bitter. Which is why. I bring it up to this day Point being no your rule. So here are the rules. At caesar's william hill who we do business with at espn. If you're making a season win total bet. That team needs to play all seventeen games for action so whether the covert outbreak affects them and their locker room personally or whether it's an opponent and the game gets forfeited the get the win. They played all seventeen games. But as a result bets are refunded. If it comes to play your props over under quarterback x. throwing forty five hundred yards that quarterback needs to appear in at least one game for it to count so he gets hurt before the season starts in misses all the games. It's no action. But if he appears in one game it's action unless his team does not play all seventeen games. If i so you. You could have a quarterback throw for four hundred yards every single week you soar over the total and then in week. Eighteen final game of the season the other team as a covert outbreak. They don't play the game. There's a forfeiture. Boom you end up getting your money back. Despite the fact that it was a winner. Now what happens if there's a partly okay. So there's a parlay what normally happens and we see this with baseball too with rainouts. Say you have a three team. Nfl parlay you're gonna go with the jets. You're gonna go with the ravens. You're gonna go with the philadelphia eagles. The jets leg ends up winning the ravens leg ends up. Winning the philadelphia game gets cancelled that instead of being a three-game parlay is going to be reduced to a two-game parlay. They're not gonna penalize you for that so essentially if you stood to win know one hundred dollar wager and make x. times five or whatever it would end up being you just eliminate eliminate the third one from the equation that got cancelled. And it's just a two game parlay that's what would end up happening so you would end up getting paid but the odds for to win parlay not a three win parlay joe. We're talking to joe forton You can check them out. Espn daily wage. Also i'm bet. And you know. I i guess i keep thinking about the economic impact. I mean we've talked a lot today about the economic impact to the athletes. Obviously the players but cho- like what's the economic impact to vegas if they ended up just essentially refunding all these beds. Well they're gonna end up seeing a ton of action one way or another. The futures market is a big market for them. A lot of people like to come out and make their season win total bets. They like to bet teams to win the super bowl. That action still gonna stand you know whether or not the team win the nfc. The afc division. That's gonna stand so. I mean it would hurt a little bit. But they're still going to see so much action on the individual games right like what they see on monday night. Football a lot of us spending season win totals. That action comes from a lot of the pros. That really wanna get ahead of this market because how many average people who don't do this for a living wanna up in las vegas in august make a wager and then have the watch that money. Sit there for the next five to six months right. People do it. But they don't do it in massive amounts unless they're doing this for a living so it would hurt a little bit obviously to have to refund that but ultimately remember it's still like an interest free loan like that's the beauty of these futures wages for the sports book you come in and you bet. Say a thousand dollars on the detroit. Lions to go under five win. That's sports books holding that thousand dollars interest free until the end of the season. That's a pretty good deal for them. So joe obviously the vegas communities used to dealing with cova when it comes to setting lines week in and week out but how does this impact sort of the way that they're process works when they're trying to figure out weekend and we got out. They had a really good situation last year where they got a chance to go through all of this and try to figure it out. I mean a lot of times. What you'll see are rules regarding individual games such as the game has to be played the same week So we saw stuff like that last year. i. I don't know what the perfect example would be because i know in tennessee got hit games got pushed back a week or two. But if you end up getting a game pushback four days right like say you're supposed to be the thursday night game and you end up getting moved to a double header on monday or tuesday. Sometimes that will still. That should still count like that. Game will still be action but again it's going to be like we've seen a lot of situations is going to be rumors of a code situation. They're gonna pull the number off the boards and nobody can at it until they get more information than they will re release the line or if the game gets postponed. They'll just release the line down the line so again. This all comes back to the original point here if you're betting on the nfl. If you're betting on anything make sure you know the rules. Feel free to ask the people at the counter to call the customer help line. I know it's a pain in the rear end. Have to sit there on. Hold for stuff like that. But no what. You're getting yourself into an advance so you can attack the market properly. Follow him on twitter at joe. Forton checkout daily wager. Tuesday through friday on. Espn two at six pm eastern also getting day on espn radio works on a joe. You're everywhere always appreciate your expertise. Man really needed you to come in and clarify this force. We appreciate it so much. My pleasure boys. Thanks a lot for having me on. It's interesting because what he just said there is important. Not every sportsbook is going to handle this the same but there's gonna be a lot of people that have put a lot of money on the line that are gonna find out that they hit all their but bets and because of a season oldham. I'm right here. i'm only one win away from windows. i mean and i'm like i i'm notorious. Sorry like i'm cheap. I know i'm cheap. But my god like if i if i thought i want to bet and then i found. I don't get my pay out. Even though i did everything right like. Oh yeah atika back back. Like george clooney tan. I mean this is just another layer right because the nfl has so many partners now that are in the gambling industry. This this has to speak to part of why they put this memo in the first place. Let's be clear. The nfl didn't do this because they're trying to cancel games the nfl. In my mind. Put out this memos so succinctly and clearly with such high demands because what they're trying to do is make sure that if games are cancelled it's a catastrophic event for the players and the teams involved so that they can avoid it. I mean that that's the real of it. Yeah manage. They're trying to make sure that they have certainty like everybody can have on information because all their partners outside of the tv partners you talk about the gambler relationships. They need certainty right. They need to know and operate their business. Or maybe they want to have some some loopholes. Waiting can have you know the nfl and giving no money back. Yeah well it's going to be. This is just the beginning of this conversation for sure. In the meantime we want to have a conversation with you. Guys triple eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven. Six caller roulette. You guys hop on the phones. We get to have a little bit of fun. 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It's just been announced cleveland's baseball team will be changing their name. Cleveland will no longer be the indians. They are now going to be known as the guardians. So cleveland has changed their name from indians to guardians. They've revealed it on social media. They've got a cool video out there that show some of the logo. I kinda like it bar pretty. I like the music guy that loves like a random record drop. You don't expect hopes they just the video they showed doesn't say when their debut in the actual stuff. I kind of hope they just come out next game. Play play guardians gear on. Just drop it man. Just come up there's dope man. I i i feel like you know. It's been a rough couple of years when you think about what happened to the washington football team and trying to make sure that you don't use any terms and rogatory to a people i mean i think there's a great compromise and a local looks great. See it's not that hard. I think we can think outside the box first. Big home run that skies into the air guardians into galaxy. It's going to happen. It's going to happen over and over and over again. All right rule that is that is the breaking news. The cleveland indians are no more they are now. The cleveland guardians. We'll we'll let you know if we can figure out when that will actually take place but the announcement is official all right. It's keyshawn jay. Williams zubin barscott. Jason fitz in. You know what we're doing. It's a friday triple eight say. Espn eight seven to nine. Three seven seven six. That's i get in on the fun. Let's do some colorado. Are we ready to spend the wheel spins and around and around. It goes line one. Oh we start at the top line one. Thanks for calling the show. What do you got though. Hey guys listen to china. Bomb that is basically saying is if these people on the iraqi show it's not a lot of teams that match up with them and selling wife twenty narrative frank cart go to bed with a do come on at eleven on the day contract killed. That noise guys have nike. What's he saying that if the cowboys show there's not a lot of teams that are better. That's like teams. That are better. And if i ever talk about the buffalo bills talk about the baltimore ravens you talk about the the rams you talk about the san francisco forty niners. There's a lot of teams i would say. I think they right on par if they played a best. They're right on par with seahawks seattle. Look there are question marks. And as i said yesterday gotta give equal benefit of the doubt to everybody and my mom used to always say if a frog had a glass behind it would only jump once so If don't work on that a lot of them aren't spin the wheel next. Let's line six. What you got line. Six was a fellas kevin from columbus ohio. Gotta salute this. Nca problem if texas oklahoma. Well when they do go to the sec on the big ten days they need to do is combine conferences. And you'll magin football basketball with the Tv rice would be like the rest of the big twelve. 'cause look up with the pack pack pac twelve. I guess you can call it and they can do the same thing which you think about that what we're talking about right. We're talk about from from power five like a power three. You wanna make it a power to well. We were burying the lead. Here was that tone. Loker was apple monitor. Could've been either. I mean listen. I mean it could have been either one look. Look i like the idea frankly selfishly. I think it would be kind of interesting. I don't know how the the big twelve or the pac twelve would feel about getting the rest of the runoff from the big twelve. I don't know that that's necessarily enough to suddenly make like you're not suddenly doing cartwheels because you got you know kansas coming into the facts. Well i'm just. I'm just being honest all right. Let's been the wheel no-fence. Kansas is gonna blow me all right. Let's go to line to gory. From new york. Hey guys. i got to Favorite teams the new york jets and the michigan wolverines. They're kinda both similar. Because when the when will we finally get a quarterback. Oh that's a that's a well. I mean i plus to have one right. We think about. Zack wilson you'd think about the ability to he had in college and put them to let sam darnold go. Their evaluation of wilson must've been pretty pretty high and also they're doing something they didn't do for sam darnold. They're getting protection around him. They got a bunch of great not great but good running backs with a lot of potential. They have Debt at the wide receiver position. You know i. I think they're doing a good job. i think. The additional morgan moses becton and tucker i mean that's a start and they still have a bunch of draft capital and a bunch of money to get anybody that's a cap casualty during training. Now that very tucker drafting was a steel by the way and look. I'll say this the jets to the jets fan base. I would just plead for patients. Give it three years like for once. Give a quarterback three years to figure out if he's and i don't care if he comes out and has the best first year or the worst first year ever it's an adjustment to go from. Byu to new york. So let's just let him adjust. I just gave a quarterback three years so this is six years. Now you're asking me to give a quarterback six years because i just gave one three years. They should have stuck with sam now. Well i've got a evan. I'm giving you two years. Think by next year the jets already to compete next year. I think this year they're going to surprise a lot of people because it office a line is glorified pood- all over my raiders fan. And then you're going to sit here and tell me the jets are going to surprise people. Let's place a friendly wager on which of these two teams as a better year. I'll take that. The raiders are supposed to be ahead of the process. They've been spending. All jon gruden money for three years now. This is really the first year for sala organization. I listen. i'll go with you because you to work. Unit tougher division. So i'll i'll we'll take that bet i'll take. I'll take a nice dinner. No no nice dinner on my mind life. So we're talking like you gotta get bart simpson tattoo and your nick now. I get bergman bergman. I'm bart simpson tramp stamp. But i'm not getting anything on my next. You can't walk that back. i'm saying i'm just saying chilis like that. That's my version of a nice dinner. Like i like you've got the nfl coin. You guys role different. When i say nice dinner suddenly painted offer. Six months only eat grass-fed meat. Oh my god divas. Divas spin the wheel now root against the jets. Line five line. We got line five guy. Come on line five what are you hey so from grand rapids water Statue chicago bears enter week. Seven against the tampa bay buccaneers undefeated or one loss undefeated loss. Not familiar with their with their schedule. Well i mean they're going to one loss. Because they play the raiders. I think week five so we could just count that one book it but it all depends to our iran in the building. They got they got the bears. Have the rams then the bengals than the browns than the lions the raiders than the packers. Before they get so. I would say the odds. Don't tell sarah. Spain said that. Spain and fit seven nine. Pm eastern monday. Through friday on espn radio. I i'd say the odds are zero that they go in with the with the only loss i it depends on their rams game. I mean i the rams the rams will beat him. The browns might beat him. The raiders beat them. It's in vegas. The packers beat them. It's the packers and got four losses going into that. I'm just throwing shade everywhere. It might be field. Yeah r q jay z. Back monday coming for hanging out with us. Hey what's up. Everybody else greenwich here to tell you about my new podcast. Abc audio card life out loud. This show is all about preserving the history and honoring the contributions. lgbtq community each week. I'll talk to some of the most fascinating people paving the way for the more inclusive world these conversations can get heavy but this show is also filled with joy. And i mean after we are called gay people right so gotta be some happiness in there somewhere checkout life out loud with me l z. Granderson wherever you get your podcast.

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Hour 1: Milwaukee Wins It All

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Hour 1: Milwaukee Wins It All

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It's a feel good wednesday because last night was something special in milwaukee if you couldn't tell them the pre-game by ha hype. That crowd was worth. I haven't seen that sixty thousand. It's insane. I hadn't seen that many people that excited for sporting of it felt like an eternity to me and it felt so good to watch and then a it off of the w game six at home for the bucks. I can only imagine. So the milwaukee bucks do get the dub last night one zero five to ninety eight bucks and six. Yes it did happen. It was the first title in a half a century For the milwaukee bucks and that guy right there honestly it's toco led the way fiftypoints again. Set it again fifty point when you score fifty you gotta say daddy did at fifty fifty points. He's only the seventh player to score fifty in an nba finals game. He joins elgin baylor. Michael jordan rick. Barry jerry west. Lebron james zimbabwe. I mean he's in some very very good company now. It was a incredible night from start to finish. Feels like an janas. Did the absolute most five blocks and he had a double double with thirteen boards. I mean it was just all around an impressive performance. And i think from start to finish this season like this has been the story right like janas signing supermax saying in milwaukee deciding. This is what he wants to do. Yes there were some injuries along the way but not just limited to the east also the same in the west nonetheless milwaukee bucks get it done and if you didn't feel something for that team and for y- honest like i don't know if you haven't been paying attention or what's going on but i gotta tell you it's he's been easy to root for and i couldn't be more thrilled for the marquee box to the victor. Go the spoils right. He deserves to get all his flowers. But you want to also tip your hat to what the phoenix roeber. Do you know almost trying to go. From worst. to first and is two stars one star showed up and he perform when the lights were the brightest in another did not devon booker. Didn't have a great night. And i think that was the difference and throughout this course of the playoffs. We focused on everything that john is is but let's appreciate today what he is first of all for him to come back. I don't know what kind of vibe him he would. He dipped his body in to be able to come back and play after the knee injury. But that was something that we didn't expect and for him to look that well and game one but you talk about signature moments right you talk about the lebron like chase down block right you talk about the block on aden right only a few players in the league or maybe in history had the athleticism to be able to do that. You talk about the alley. Oop right where. He went up to the heavens. The greek god the greek freak went up to the heavens it and got that ball but what i appreciate about him is not only the best player for the bucks. He's also the hardest worker. He's a guy that always is on ten and you talk about what he did what he is to me. He's the modern day. Shaquille o'neal right. He's the greek freak. He's he's eating. He presents everything. That's shaquille presented right. Low close presents gets majority of his dominance inside the pain but he's able to dribble right. He's shacked evolution. Sack two point. Oh he's he's what happens when evolution happens and you know he deserves his mvp and the fact that he signed the supermax and the fact that he did with all that virtually all the heartache. All the pain right coming in. I mean look at that picture man. It's funny you know when he's eighteen year old kid and he's one hundred and ninety eight pounds they call he's noor's base as male nurse for him. You know how much hard work for basketball player. It is to put on almost forty five pounds of good weight that speaks to his dedication to hard work and listen. Greatness is done in the shadows right because the role to greatness as a lonely road because only so many dare to travel. He traveled all alone in a small market. And this is big for the little guy right. this allows because what happens when anything happens in. Somebody has analyzed a champion. They figure out how they got there. And this was you know. So they star fracking right. So they start fracking and trying to emulate it so now if you're guy in a small market now if i'm out there in portland i'm saying you know what let's put all the chips in the middle of the table because we got a great player that we haven't appreciated surround him with the people that we need because we can't waste their prime. Okay few things you said there that i want to build up first off in terms of hard work. Yes you could go one hundred different directions but in this final series only. Let's talk about the free throws okay. Have we dog. Jaanus for the free throws. What did he do last night. He drained seventeen of nineteen from the charity. Stripe like talk about overcoming. What was on his brain out the entirety. It felt like of the playoffs last night. Forget it just drains. I was those were mowing throughout. This is what we're talking about the dagger dagger that's the dagger and then in terms of the comparison. Shaquille o'neal let me give you some receipts for that. Jaanus recorded three forty point ten rebound games in the nba finals joining two thousand shaquille o'neal as the only players in nba history to do that his final stat line by the way for this series just over thirty five points just over. Thirteen boards five assists. He shot sixty sixty two percent of field of his field goals in the finals. I mean an incredible stat line for your honesty and taku both throughout the entirety of this series. Now let's hear from the greek freak showy. This is him last night after the dubs saying yeah. I did it my way. Take a listen. This is my city you know and trust me. They believe in me nas even when we were like we relax. The city still was like on our side and You know obviously i want. I wanted to get the job done. You know they the but that's my stove inside like it's easy to go somewhere and go in and championship with somebody else season alcohol. I don't buy but will go to a super team and just do my part championships still one. But this is the hardware do this. They were just do we. Did we did time for straight talk. Brought to you straight talk wireless. And he's right. they did it. I love it do it by a moment right because that was a lot of frustration. I loved it isolating moment. Win that star where. Everybody's in this state of euphoria and he's able to finally stop digest and live in the moment when he goes to the bent insist down and has that moment to himself about what he did and what he's just accomplice in how that changes his trajectory right because now we talk about him in a different way. He was always like well. Why would he say there for the supermax. He can't get it done and watching him sit there and just embracing it come in and from the performance that he had put in that team on his back he put that team on his back and his will was greater than the stars of the sun. You know. I mean you feel. Sorry for for chris paul. I don't because i. You know after the clippers finished i i. I wanted to greek freak. Get it done but you guys like Chris middleton right. that's always been told they weren't good enough that their star and that's what's great about your small markets. They may not be the start and most people want. But that's the start. They have embraced him and they say you know what and he me. He's not kevin durant. He's not he's not james harden but he's our guy he's our star he showed up but you know what john is dead the consistency which he did it in. You know. it's something that we haven't seen seen a dominance like this in finals. I don't know since since shaquille o'neal you haven't you haven't at all answers. Combo led the bucks game six recording fifty points. Fourteen boards five blocks becoming the first player with a fifty ten and five in a playoff game. Since they were. I tracked in nineteen seventy thousand nine hundred seventy four so you have you have fifty in. What may when we see. He's he's a guy that's getting to pointers thrown up a jacking up till eleven three. He knows what his name is. And that's what i appreciate straight. Talk wireless no contract. No compromise start. The day is brought to you by indeed hiring sir. Finding the right people right way visit indeed dot com slash credit. Okay we to go to break but there are so many things to talk about from last night and we didn't even scratch the surface. We haven't even mentioned. Chris middleton and there are so many things that i thought he did really well last night and coach. Bud you said for all the things we don't give credit to janas. Let's give him some credit same thing with coach. Bud like let's give it to him to but we'll have to do that a little bit later. Ten times in all star yet still unfulfilled. What's next for an all time great. We haven't yet mentioned that's next. But first part has this from straight talk wireless. It's time for some straight talk. We've all been there. You have some real work to do but the free rifai where you're working isn't going to cut. It is like leaving a winning runner stranded on third base. Not good well now you can get your own hotspot with straight talk ultimate unlimited plan. Get ten gigs. A spot data for just fifty five bucks a month. All on america's largest most dependable networks. Straight talk wireless no contract. No compromise capability device require compatible device. Required see straighttalk. Dot com celebrates the other team attr- rushing defeat williamson chris. Paul devon booker t. at taya phoenix suns organization. Take a bow. What an incredible ride to the filler hurtling. This this is key shawn jay williams zubin with no fees or minimums on checking and savings accounts banking with capital. One is like the easiest decision in the history of decisions kind of like choosing to listen to another episode of your favorite podcast and with our top rated app. You can deposit checks and transfer money anytime anywhere making capital one and even easier decision. That's banking reimagined. What's in your wallet. Terms apply capital one. Na member fdic do own rent your home share you. 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Paul okay because we're going to get into booker. Who really had an awful game last night and absolutely awful game chris. Paul is thirty six years old. He spent a decade and a half in the league. He's been played for several different teams. And and he's one of those guys at least for me and you know everyone feels differently like he's easy to root for as well like kind of like you honest because he's been through a lot in this league and last night look. The sons gave the bucks. I thought everything that they could possibly handle last night. They they were leading at halftime. They jumped out to an early lead. The outscore the bucks thirty one thirteen in the second quarter and they had him on the ropes late. Okay i'm chris. Paul finish with twenty six points. He was eleven. Nineteen shooting five assists in the finale last night and again they were they were within four with a minute and some change left in the game. Just not enough though. Couldn't get back back to phoenix and so the question now is about chris. Paul and what does this mean for him. and before. You answer that bartlett's here from c. P. three here. He was after the game last night. The process is a whatnot. Same mentality get back to work. Not i mean i. I'm retired if that's what you're asking that's out so back to work so back to work so. Cpi three says he's back to the grind will. will he stay with phoenix. Maybe maybe a question for later on Does he go somewhere else. The lakers crew. We'll see we'll see something. I also want to point out though before you react to this now. Twelve straight playoff games officiated by scott foster that chris paul has lost. You heard me say. I call my book only show yesterday on bookie i said. Oh bet house. At the house i mean. Listen he's a great player and listen. There's one of those things right collectively as a team. I know he has a lot of scar tissue but collectively as a team. They had not face any. I know not and they didn't face any adversity early in the playoffs so when they hit adversity is hard to learn how to react to it when the pressures at its highest point when you can see the you can see the trophy the championship trophy. Just right there in front of your eyes right. And they didn't respond right. I thought that money way of did a great job. Because i suggested that you know they maybe should have gave a little Cameron payne there. Because you know chris. Paul looked like he was tired. We heard progress and the p three needed. Cpr right in the fact that they tried to rest them at the end of the third quarter so he can finish out strong unless he answered the bell. But at some point it was going to be the law. Diminishing returns when you think about When you think about devon booker he had carried the team and perform well in the losses. He was due for not superb game and the problem is the others when they saw that he was struggling. Wasn't able to be able to answer the bell in filling the points in filling the box score. You know that devon booker left open. I mean devon booker you know eight twenty two and they made it tough for him. Any insect turnovers. You can't have that right exactly. So i mean you look at that crowd or try to step up and now they have a lot of questions as well right because we can say like you always have to take advantage of the opportunities when they present themselves because you always think. Oh because we went here is going to be easy to get back. The west is going to be stacked. There's going to be a lot of stars that was injured. That's going to be healthy next year in chris. Paul needs to make sure that he choose wisely. Because sometimes we can call it fools. Go thinking that you know because you went to a certain point this year that next year. You can pick to lynn right. You look at all the free agents that they have you know audit gonna be able to keep bridges because now people have seen these guys. What happens is the masses. I'm sure for football basketball guys understood who these guys were as basketball players. But a lotta guys. Stock has risen. And they're going to have to fight to retain some of these guys and these guys have haven't made big money before so i you know what comes first and went into the back in a lotta times. It's the bag. I the winning second. The injury soaring line as it pertains to the east like is lame to me because it was the same story in the west pretty much. Okay like in the east okay. Trae young her. James harden was her kyrie irving purser. Embiid got banged up in the west like the sun's didn't have to face adversity because they had such good record during the regular season. They they never trailed in a series but they got you know look. They defeated the reigning. Champions in the lakers etienne lebron who knows if they were one hundred percent but they had issues going throughout the entire season. They swept the league. Mvp and yokich in the nuggets. They bounce the clippers and look. They gave the bucks pretty much all that they could possibly handle last night. So both teams deserve a lot of credit for what this came down to. But like for. Chris paul and the sons and i thought booker said it best and we can hear from him a little bit later like it's got to go into the details. The sons are young. Outside of jae. Crowder and chris pollock. This is a really young squad. The bucks had years on them and the bucks also had a little more equity in them to. This is gonna take a little bit of time like just because c. p. Three's been around for a hot minute doesn't mean everyone else has and booker is young. Yeah he dropped to forty pointers back-back but last night he struggled nineteen points. You mentioned the april twenty two shooting six turnovers in the fourth quarter. He was two for seven. It's bad couldn't come big. And maybe he. His legs were a little tired. I mean if they break the great defense that middleton and holiday put on tucker. They run him often. They made it difficult. But you know what he's going to go back and he's going to get that muscle memory and understand what it takes to get an example and like i said collectively a group. They didn't have enough scar tissue right so they had nothing to refer back to when things got tough. That's why when it went bad. It went back like you know you would think that they would lose four in a row special team that rarely lost three in a row during the regular season to lose four in a row and two losing in that fashion heartbreaking fashion. Let you noted. They didn't know how to finish right. They didn't know how to finish collectively as a group in booker. Maybe somewhat may put it all. Remember what john is used to be to put the fence up in. Didn't trust his teammates. That's why i'm so impressed with us because we we. We have a very heavily flaw superstar right and i remember you know being coached by mike singer terry and talks about greatness comes in every shape and size and maybe because it doesn't look the way that you've seen the the great players like the skill set of bryan even though he's not considered a great shooter you know his basketball acumen his skill level second-to-none. Like maybe this is not the most complete superstar and it doesn't look like kevin durant isn't beautiful but you know it's a beauty to his grapes of grace is how gracious he is. And how addo is i. Don't think you can like really appreciate how subtle way to be able to have that subtle eurostep how to be able to spend in the middle of the lane and be able to finish at the basket. Much like zion. His his his field goals come in the paint but he has to get there and everybody knows he's going there but yet they can't deny it doesn't only look the same like that's what i appreciate about the nba. Like everyone can get in their way and clearly. That's what honestly last night. So normally we'd give you an impressive breakdown something you didn't know or a stat. That was just absolutely insane. But instead i'm going to give you one that you might have already heard fifty fourteen and five pretty incredible on its own from combo stats incredible brought to you by computer career training for a better life okay. Training camp in the nfl gets underway to day for the dallas cowboys. It's today but the season changing injury has already a contender That's next bart scott shape. Poplar cornutus keyshawn jay williams even espn radio espn. Two siriusxm channel will be back. This is brutally for both the rams in for acres who really started to break out at the end of last season. 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I should remind you training camp starts today for the dallas cowboys tomorrow for the pittsburgh steelers and the rest of the league report next week because though two teams are in the hall of fame game and so time and talk a little. Nfl keyshawn jalen zubin presented by progressive insurance. I'll join us on the goodyear hotline. I'm shay cornet. He is bart. Were hanging out this morning filling in for the guys. It's wednesday morning lot of nba talk. Got a switch gears for the nfl yesterday. Adam schefter reported that cam acres the rams running back. He's going into his second year tore his achilles. He's expected to miss the entire twenty twenty one season. He suffered the injury while working out underwent testing to confirm the diagnosis. Which again says that. He doesn't need habit torn achilles and so the rams now will look elsewhere for their lead feature back but before we get into all that let's hear from his head coach that'd be camakers head coach. Sean mcvay here. He was yesterday on the max kellerman show talking about what a loss. This is for the team the way he was playing at the end of the year where he can play all three downs and you can really give him a heavy workload and he just gets better. As he accumulates touches and carries. It's hard to find know. I it was. It felt similar to what todd had done for so many years for us a couple of years back. And i think you know. It's it's on the record about how highly i think cam. And what a complete player. I think he is. It's it's a big loss But it is an opportunity for other okay and so now. Who's gonna fill that void daryl. Henderson should probably get the first opportunity. Right bart a. He'll be the number one back but behind him. Not much insurance xavier jones and raven klaas. They've never taken an nfl carey in a regular season game ever never. And then. there's otas anderson and undrafted free agent rookie that they could look to as well and jake funk three of those four guys i just listed are either seven or eight round picks and or undrafted free agents like it's a little bleak now at the running back position for the los angeles rams the team. I know you thought was going to win the division there while still think they're gonna win into vision. They just ran into some adversity and they're going to have to learn how to be ill. Unique in different ways give anderson gives jones. You give you give them the opportunity to to prove themselves but you definitely gonna make sure that you go get you a veteran out there because the most important thing is making sure that you have protection on third downs to be at a up blitz packages on matthew stafford because of matthew staffer gets hurt. Then all your dreams are done. That's the one player today. Can't replace so you'd think about you know who could potentially be out there a little bit. I know lady. I'm bill twenty nine years old. I don't know it didn't work out well. In kansas city. We expected we thought it was more about the jets and it was about him but when he went to the best team in the league he didn't show up. So well you still have shady mccoy out there who may have some interest and still playing especially fourteen that su contender. He's went from one super bowl to the next super bowl. Sometimes you become good luck chuck that way and also you know you think about a guy like maybe like duke. Johnson guy like duke. Johnson as there's really young houston has a bunch of of of running backs. And it's a trace to put out there right and So i think they go about it that way but they give these guys the first opportunity. But you can't blink get used to this earliest good to have to adjust view if you have the just adjust before training camp so you'll have opportunities out there and get your people that's available as people are going to get cut knowing training caps. Well you'll get some opportunities to pick up a supplemental piece somewhere. I like those veterans. You just laid out and obviously it sounds like considering they have a stable of right now are all very very young and inexperienced and so they're likely going to have to look elsewhere to replace camakers. Well what is sean mcvay. Think about that. Let's listen to the rams head coach gun. I think he wanted to take a step back. I think the the immediacy of it is your. Your first inclination is okay. Who do we have to replace it. And then what you feel good about is we've got some young death on the roster and will earn guys an opportunity to really see. How do they handle a little bit more of a workload. How were they able to handle some competitive opportunities. we'll have whether it be in the preseason or practice in against the cowboys and the raiders. And so we've got some young backs on her roster that i'm intrigued about the and how they handle this opportunity. I don't know that the veteran route is something that we would rule out. But it's not something that we're immediately looking to address right now. You know with the current yesterday cam. Yeah okay so obviously. He's not on the phone yesterday. Boom when he's dealing with camakers situation but you have to me. It's going to happen sooner or later. Once he does get a good look at these backs and again darryl henderson. We'll probably get the first opportunity. Is the number one running back. And then it's a crapshoot jones. Raymond clay is again. Two guys who have never had a carey in an nfl. Game and then otis anderson undrafted free agent rookie and so the cupboard is a little bare there so how quickly like you have been in a situation like this before where you have a star on your team. You're going into training camp. And then there's you know wide open spaces on the roster so like how soon do you look to fell this boy. Well i wall in camp. You need bodies right because you can't put a heavy workload on on any player any position if you don't have any debt so they have some young players that they don't have experience but sometimes you just need camp bodies. These have people that you can rely on because you're gonna have your first couple of preseason games and you can't put that many miles ill the the first couple of days a camp is the most dangerous right because that's where gaza coming off of training in running and short and took to react and put it on the pat so usually when guys go down you have the most injuries in training camp at the beginning of training camp so you want to make sure that you really work these guys and slowly and right now they have a board of all the potential replacements and free agents. And guys that are pending. God that they believe are going to get get cut during camp or guys that are in fights and other teams that may get beat out by a younger version of themselves right. please hold. They'll go get frank gore her. Pray frank petersen aka benjamin. But i don't know if they want to get somebody that but i look at team like the jets right and we know what that new system that they had that that You know kyle shanahan sending that one cut system. They're gonna have you know good running backs regardless but they have tremendous depth. Remember they brought in seven coleman right. They drafted michael carter right last year. I believe that josh adams averaged six yards of kerry and then they also have They have six yards of carey. So they're going to have two or three good young running backs that are going that are going to get cut. They dr michael rind year before. So so that's the way where you can make sure that you could solidify and give up a lake draft. Pick to make sure that you get a guy that you know can play because they have a resume but you know guy. Johnson averaged eight yards per carry with the jets last year. So they have big backs every type of baggage you need. The thing is you may not be able to replace cam acres one player. You have to kind of have one player. That's good on third down and catching the ball and running back by committee. But i think it's easiest thing to replace as a running back because no most running backs translate to the to the pros really really well for having a new quarterback. Now for the rams. Jared goff say what you want about him but he was in that system longer than matthew stafford has been and look know more football than i could pretend to know but i would assume when you have a new quarterback there under center like handing the football often. Getting accustomed to your surroundings is probably the easiest way to do. So and so. Now you lose your number one feature back essentially the guy that you were planning and handing the ball off to like. What kind of adjustment is that now for. Matthew stafford like he's going to have to get used to a new group of personnel early enough for him or it doesn't matter it's super early right. They're going. They got four weeks to get you know chemistry with each other right to do it and see the defense the right way because we going through. Ota's you impact. You got a couple of young heroes. Wanna try show up but you know this is where the proofs in pudding when you when you get to training camp and you're going to bite you start having practices with other organizations matthew. Stafford's are pro right he. He's a young quarterback but he's been around for a long time. I think he's been in the league eleven twelve years. He's seen it all. He has multiple different types of running backs. All the turnovers on turn that they had there in detroit. He's gonna be just fine you know. He's a pro. He's one of the best quarterbacks that we don't know about you we talk about how we discovered devon booker. Discover some of these other people in the playoff this. The world is going to get to know the greatness of matthew staff. I hope so. I hope that for him. So you still like the rams to win the nfc. West doesn't doesn't change this at all to win the super bowl. Excuse me i'm not put it down now. I mean this. I haven't met yet but de bets coming pretty soon you know. Was it thursday. Thursday we get paid. Espn young they're better off. We get our paychecks. Early old bit early better early. Okay so the rams and the super bowl. I don't know that. I've made my super bowl pay just yet but i'm glad you've already made. I would take cheese. That's where i would go overnight delivery brought to you by. Usps business is changing. Usps is changing with it. Find out how ed. Usps dot com slash new routes the united states postal service priority. You sure if we're gonna do that just got so many good running back. I don't know how to go figure out. But then you said kyle sheen dejean. J. will and zubin bart scott and shake cornyn hanger hanging out with you this morning. We're presented by progressive insurance and all guests. Join us on the goodyear hotline. And that's where we're going to go right. Now because jen lada joining us from milwaukee. She's on there in milwaukee. Espn milwaukee is where you can hear her Brought to you by goodyear helping you discover the road ahead. Good your mortgage more driven. Good morning to you jen. How little of sleep are you on. Good morning more. Like great morning chez. I am on four hours of sleep if you thought. My voice is bad yesterday. My voice is going to be awful today. And i don't even care. I don't blame you at all four hours of sleep. I'm familiar with this kind of life So obviously you. You're there you're in milwaukee. And before i ask you about any of the details of the game i just want to know what the scene was dear district. I haven't seen anything like that in a long time. I mean what was it like to be their Incredible and richly deserved shea. Right like they opened up the deer district they opened up a whole nother a lot yesterday. So that there were. They were allowing for sixty five thousand people. I haven't seen official numbers. But i'm gonna guess that climbed way above that because when you look out of five thousand four out over the deer district. There wasn't a sec of land to be seen like there were people everywhere and of course you've got sixteen thousand plus in the arena. I was in the arena. I can tell you it was packed to the seems alright. So every single standing room only spot every single seat every single sweet spot and maybe even then some like this place was jammed as it should be for a team that has been on this long long journey as you guys know fifty years since their laughed nba title. This is the very first larry. o'brien trophy in milwaukee. So it was richly deserved for all those people who trek their way down to downtown milwaukee to the deer district to take part in what was a raucous and deserve celebration. Jaanus was already urban legend but with is this place him amongst the Bucks great when you think about the big. Oh you think about kareem. Abdul-jabbar think about sydney moncrieff. Where does this put him do. They do they do. They start scoped in the statue outside right now of the blah. Absolutely i mean they do they. Just do a and guys i. It's crazy to think that he is just twenty six years old like that's astounding. Because it feels like he's been in the league for a really long time and oh yeah he has because he started when he was so young so like he's got so much more time to continue adding to this resume and building this legacy And and there was a list yesterday. That i saw rolling around on sportscenter on social media of like guys who had won multiple. Mvp's and finals mvp's and the list was so short it was it was only nine guy right and you talk about the titans of the nba. In michael jordan. Kareem larry bird and right there at the bottom of the list. The most recent edition is janas unto the right so like the sky is the limit for this guy. And i know i heard you drive in and i know you and i have chatted sitting next to each other on an airplane about a month ago about limitations on his game. Enough of that. Enough of that. There's more than one way to be a champion. And i love that. People are starting to embrace what john is and more importantly jaanus is embracing what he is and who he is instead of trying to be something. He isn't right now. I am all for evolving. Your game adding a little trick here and there as you continue on your journey but it finally seemed like the playoffs went on. He was like. I'm going inside downhill. Try to stop me and it works for the box with a big fifty burger last night. Chantelle jen ladas waking up in milwaukee. This is john lot of espn milwaukee. She's the host of gen gave seven to nine. Am i know right. She's like living in love. The enthusiasm inner voice. We needed. You jen this morning like we were already hype but we needed a little bit of you. Okay so now. Let's move to coach bud because the criticism was loud and it was forceful. It felt like throughout the entirety of these play offs and then last night happened and it felt like you know those who maybe were very critical of coach. Bud had to take a step back and kind of shut them out a little bit so it was finally time to give coach by the the credit. He deserves probably all the flowers. Certainly some respect and certainly his do because the biggest criminal is emma. Bud was what guys that. He didn't make adjustments. She was one of those stubborn coaches who said well. What i've been doing has always worked. So why would. I deviate from that plan. But then you saw there were times where it didn't work and his team was getting crushed. You know it's crazy to think of some of the moment in this playoff run. Do we even talk about janas knee. Going flamingo on him. Do even talk about that right now. Like crazy but but hit back above the adjustments that he made out this theory and throughout the playoff run. You've got to give them credit for that right. He put guys in positions to succeed. There've been times where guys weren't coming through weren't playing their best. Offense weren't hitting shots right. Drew holiday comes to mind but holidays defense was coming through and i think that you look at all of those things. And the way that he put guys in positions to succeed even when they may not have been having the best games and you have to give him credit for making those adjustments for tweaking his character right the way that he was hardwired that absolutely deserves all the credit in all the respect so one ring one. Win equals a ring for aaron rodgers. Who's a minority owner. But will he be. They're competing for two as well. He you guys expect him to show up into your the packers figure it out. What are you doing to me about what you lose that quite well. I mean i thought that too soon and early. Third think that maybe maybe. I was overestimating our relationship We obviously will continue talking about. Aaron rodgers packers training camp just about a week away And and we don't know we you know. We obviously saw the report from adam schefter yesterday. We had obviously heard rumblings of that leading up to the report yesterday as well about them offering him a contract giving him all of the money and how it wasn't about the money. We can't figure out here. In milwaukee i think extends through the fan base and even nationally is. What does he want. If it isn't about the money. I would like it isn't about the security right because that was the other thing. He didn't wanna be a lame duck quarterback all right so they say we'll push all of our chips to the middle of the table on you aaron rodgers and security for five years. And he doesn't want that either so is all about control or does he just want out guys and if he just wants out i have a very hard time seeing how he wins this one because it is not in the packers best interest to trade him certainly not right now you know their best hall would have been on draft night. They didn't do that. They're probably kicking themselves for that because they didn't think the thing would go as nuclear as it's gone and now you gotta try to get the best deal back for him. I heard about the speculation. There's people who are saying. Oh why don't they signed a one year deal and at the end of the one year you shake hands you go your separate ways and he can go off into the sunset and play for whomever why in the world would you do that with an asset. Why in the world. If you're running a business do you just let something valuable. Go for free. So i it. It blows the mind baffles the mind. It'll be so interesting to see how this plays out. Because you're dealing with stubbornness dealing with ego and you're dealing with two sides that still refuse to blink. Okay talking to jen lott really quick before we let you go and i'll let you have your celebration this morning. Jen i do want to ask you to kind of take a gas here with rogers. Does he show up to training camp next week at all the following week. Obviously i know you're not in his head and you can't predict the future but if you had to guess knowing what you know about aaron rodgers and this organization so well what would you assume i have always been in the camp of. He's not showing up. And that simply goes back to having covered the guy for as long as i have and him being supremely stubborn. You know with that legendary chip on his shoulder. I don't see how he convinces himself. That going back is a win for him that he can put a tally mark in the win column. Unless he says. I gotta do it for my guys. Gotta do it for devante atoms. I gotta do it for aaron jones. I gotta do it for david. Bachtiar i gotta do it for all. These guys mercedes lewis that i have relationships with who deserve another shot at the title. Deserve another shot at hoisting lombardi. Much like the bucks or voice. In the larry. O'brien here unless and look. Hey there's something he said that you watch the bucks celebrating last night on the floor of pfizer forum and you're a competitor. And you think you have a team. That's close to winning. Don't tell me that doesn't motivate you a little bit. Don't tell me that you don't go. We can do that. Man we gotta. I can just. We can just figure some stuff out. We could get there like maybe. That's the tipping point right. I mean who knows what this guy but right now. I'm still of the belief that he doesn't show up to camp next week after that. It's a crapshoot. Does it show up for the parade of to you know as a minority owner it. Now i don't think so mad if you didn't show up to game six in milwaukee where they had a chance to win the whole thing as a minority owner. I don't think he's taken the shine off these guys you know because that would be a huge you know one a one b storyline for the parade and i think he wants these guys to get the The respect there do the accolades that they're doing and not take any of that shine away. Good point origen lada host of es espn milwaukee. Thank you so much for the time. We really appreciate the insight. Go enjoy this great morning milwaukee and celebrate that bucks win bucks insects guys. The prophecy has been fulfiled. it really has segeant. I should have known better. When i'm and i'm like good morning. Good party properly. That was my bad. But now i know it is a good morning in milwaukee but like even the way we were asking questions right. We started with bucks finished with rogers. Like she's right. He's not showing up to the parade and even show up to the game last thing i don't know he's maniacal like that. You know what. I mean might just like the draft whether he knows if he does that he probably has to go have a conversation to be seen walking to the green bay packers facility to have a conversation about what his wishes are maybe negotiate a little bit and then he can leave so then he. That's a great excuse to be there. Enjoy the parade. Go talk to the team. i'm not coming. I don't want this. I'm well no. He would go to the parade. I did and then go. You're saying then go to lambeau and we'll have a money. He has a meeting right because already flown out to california and had meetings with him. He ain't going. There have a meaning chuckle in his house does he. Don't you guys. I don't know discount. Double check paycheck. I ain't never medo rogers buddy. This is the same guy who i about the social media and he told me is people running it for so i just wanted to point that out because i don't know how to email send email. Well yeah we gotta work. It's just a quick click of a said bud. Pretty simple jaanus has figured it out. In my opinion he's done what i've been preaching these athletes to be doing and he's finally found a way to do it. Does he get the respect for it. Though that is the question. We'll figure it out next. This is key sean. J will zubin. Whereabouts bart scott and shake cornet. And we'll be right up. Everybody this is. Lg greenwich here to tell you about my new podcast. Abc audio called life out loud. This show is all about preserving the history and honoring the contributions of the lgbtq community. Each week. i'll talk to some of the most fascinating people paving the way for the more inclusive world these conversations can get heavy but this show is also going to be filled with so much joy. 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On the goodyear hotline. So were you like just as we were coming back from break. Bart mentioned lou was doing a little bit of dusty rhodes impersonation like you big eighties wrestling guy. Bart was i come on man like hulk hogan was like oh baby. Jesus you know what i'm saying. Tell me to eat my vitamins. Say my prayers. That's where see this is a problem. You got tapped out by kurt angle right now. I didn't know that. Yeah you know. I was ric flair hawk holden medals on my people's i okay so didn't know that and now i'm incredibly jealous. Yeah so like a problem for me as a personality. Always go for the other guy in everything. So i was a macho man guy. Not a whole like macho man bureaus of all. So like as i've been telling you all morning. I'm going through these workouts right so what i do is i put old eighties wrestling pay per views on while. I'm working out to distract me. So i'm like in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine right now summer slam so like. I'm going back to like eighty-seven and i'm doing all the big pay per views every year to go through. You gotta go one of the most entertaining things. You gotta go ricky. The dragon steamboat and ric. Flair some epic battles riding guys. That are entertaining. Guys like goldberg guys like hulk hogan they only got three or four move so it's really boring because they get gorilla press kia leg. Drop nothing to see here. But you talk about guys like ricky. The dragon steamboat. Rick flair like showmanship. The craftmanship macho man from the top rope all year. Snap into a slim jim. You know what i'm saying. I love that man because he can sell it to piper's pit on that stuff i'm talking about was lanny. Love the faces light for the radio audience. So i'll tell you my you want my ric flair story. I gave you my story traveling a couple of years ago. A couple of seasons go. I was part of the digital show that led up to game day so me in marine david pollack and we were. We were doing the show every week. And so we were georgia and they were like hey. Ric flair is going to be here. Do you want to do some pre-tape self declare and for me being eighties. Wrestling family. Owned my god. Yes so i went and hung out with the day and we did all these tapes. The greatest guy like the nicest guy so then he shows up for our digital pre game show before game day and he brought these custom-made championship belts that he had signed and he brought one for pollock one for maria because he knew them and we didn't know it and so like he was. It was so politicians morning in the moment. he's like. Hey sorry. I didn't i. We didn't know each other. I brought one scotto report. Yeah but here's here's the real with me. So like he gives one to pollock and one's maria taylor and then right after that immediately after he walks upset because pollock is maybe the nicest guy ever. There was a little kid there. That was such a fan and politics over. And he's like. I don't need this here so he gave a costume. Rick flair championship belt. We my ric flair. And i'm looking over their thinking like. Can i take it from your kid. I don't know if i could take come on man. You should have bought it from the kid cheap pocket. You should have bought it from the kid to kid bought a playstation and you have something that the iconic rick flair probably outside of hulk hogan the second most important wrestler in history. And you got walk away for twenty bucks. Okay who's disappoint you. Disappoint me you go on the corner for the rest of the guys. Espn oh man. This is he's not wrong. I'm disappointed by my own cheap decided. I'm so cheap. I didn't even think of bribe and a kid and the kid wanna take like daily. I can't appreciate it like i. Br i could have gotten like herbie. Come down and do like a meet and greet thing greased everybody a little bit on that bottom of fun. Okay can you have been straight. Somebody clicked this off with the bosses at espn. let's send it to ric flair. Just a rick like i'm openly pleading you. I still wanna championship. And i tried to buy one of his robes. No see that's because you live in. That bart scott world in the jason fitz world unless the road in like now it's an action figure version of the road for like thirty bucks on. Maybe but like he's had this old lady that used to make them hand hand be like you think about his rose macho man all the like the stones and i feel like the b. b. dazzled for men. You know what i'm saying. People don't understand that wrestling like a soap opera for men right all the stories and stuff that goes on now. I don't need the bachelor. Give me some good resume. Now these guys nowadays there's flaws superstars because they can't really work the mic. Like those guys used to back in the day. I mean you talk about piper's pit hitting slipping ahead of the coconut man here for that smoke. I redid my life. I would have become a manager in my mouth. Jimmy hart thank you very punishable face. You would have been able to sell that you'll perfectly. You could play the perfect. He'll this is c. I'm just gonna use your connection somehow to get back to like the dynamite kid a little bit of like. 'cause i'm getting supervised getting not not that no not the dynamite care from british bulldog. The one two three kid alright. I misspoke one-two-three kid. So i got popcorn. So i've been been doing workouts. Jay williams zubin you like a band like a band guy. You're not putting. Oh no pig up there with the resistance band. Hey you know what. You're not even wrong like the little resistance bands with the leg workout. Such a pain in the butt. Bart scott fits while we've already now decided which one of us is absolutely putting the analytics glasses on. That's what i'm gonna do right now. Okay are you ready for this. Let's do all right. I'm going to tell you. One thing did eliminates everybody any team from super bowl. Contention you ready for paying anybody. The highest paid at their position. Here me up. I had a great team at espn stats and info. Credit to ryan did a great job force. I had him track all the way back to five years. Now i'm going to eliminate kickers and punters because they're not football players according to the us people we're gonna take every other position in the nfl over the last five years. One player rob gronkowski has been highest paid his position and one of super bowl. Nobody else has okay. So everybody comes in and says oh my god. You can't pay a quarterback win. Guess what you can't pay anybody and win. So if you're the forty niners that's out there paying kindle that's out there paying throwing money out this week right if you're a throwing money out at warner if you're everybody that serious leonard we all think is gonna get a massive deal. Here's the word for everybody if you pay your favorite team your favorite player like he's the best in the nfl. You will not win super bowl. Think about that. So you're saying no shot for ever for like this year it's average annual value by donald donald in there so this year like you can eliminate mahomes christian. Mccaffrey john dropping so like right now. Based on the graphic we have for the radio people. We have a graphic of highest paid players position by average annual value. So i can tell you that. The chiefs the panthers the cardinals the forty niners. The chargers the colts the rams and the broncos have no shot at the super bowl knows only been done once in all of the positions in the last five years. And that's gronk. I think my homeboy would probably have a little something to say about that. I i think he may take that bedford. Mu which homeboy mahomes homeboy. Well well we all thought first of all we all thought mahomes is gonna win. It last year didn't work out so you know it didn't work out for him. And by the way gronkowski did it in two thousand eighteen. So if you even look over the last three years like that's that's it. That's it twenty eight if you go all the way back to twenty sixteen. He's the only person that did it. He didn't sixteen and eighteen. No other player has done it at all in the last five. Or just saying if you're going to pay somebody shot you better be tied in. Well it'd be like you're going to pay somebody to have a shot better. Be gronk but it speaks to sort of the process of how certain teams have managed to get it done. I mean you have to look across the board and say hey when you pay somebody and we've become so sort of calloused to this conversation on the quarterback side. There's this mantra that once. You pay a quarterback. You can't win which also isn't really true when it comes to getting to the suburbs but it does make more difficult. But the argument i would make. Is that realistically you need. Every single fan needs to spend more time focused on the draft in the first four to five years of every draft class than they do about. Anybody that's getting paid because once you have to reward your own players. Which is the right thing to do. But once you reward them at an epic level. You just can't win. A super bowl may surprising that. Think that one of the legion of russell one. It wasn't getting paid a lot of money. Or when ben i won his first title like one of those defense players i joy port or somebody wasn't making the most money i mean. That's that's interesting stat. But i think it could be a little bit. You dig into deep you killing me. Peter like the squad look at is that is you search. Most difficult none known bit stat. I think that what bothers me the most about it is actually not the concept of not paying. Anybody bothers me that we've become so just consumed with paige quarterback and loose when impact. That's just the way it seems to work. Is it board. Well a recent history has been win with a young quarterback. And then you're gonna lose some pieces once you pay him but he's got a proven be ready to carry your team like because i remember is easy. I can remember ten bombay. Say okay well barred. If you wanna get paid you know you wanna get paid. All this money will pick up the team that you want to lose right because what happens is when i pay you. That means. i can't pay somebody else so the keys to try and come in and not have to pay the quarterback so that's why i always look at teams like that because now you can. You can make sure that you can make up for your mistakes when you make a mistake and pay the wrong quarterback you're stuck you don't have any flexibility but when you go out there and you not panic quarterback you make a mistake on a linebacker. He didn't he doesn't work out. You can go get another linebackers out. 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And i think this is a great guest to give everybody a real insight on one of the biggest talking points in all the sports right now. Not just the milwaukee bucks but jaanus onto toco. We're joined by and fader author of the improbable rise of an nba mvp. So really appreciate you joining us. You just heard on talking about his pride. How does that mentality aligned with what you learned about when you were writing the book. He's always been like that you know when he was younger. he wasn't even really thinking about basketball stardom. He was thinking about just trying to survive. So i think he had no choice but to be humble. Always be in the moment. Because you don't know where your next meal's coming from you don't know what's going to happen to your family so he's just always had to be present in that way so it was crazy when you when you hear so hurt someone to criticism of janas before you know this playoffs. Like what did he show you like when you when you when you wrote the book like the personality traits what allowed him to be able to kinda evolve in how did he become. So humble i think it's vulnerability and just being a great listener. You know a lot of times people come in the league. They think they know everything. Jaanus was the complete opposite. He was like. I know. I need work and i know i need to get better and i think the willingness to learn and listen to the advice around him is what enabled him to grow so quickly. I mean keep in mind. This is a guy that didn't even really play every day until he was about sixteen years old. He's very very young in his basketball years. We're talking to mirren invader author of the improbable rise of an nba mvp. I always think it's interesting. When you set out to write a book about somebody you know you come in with a preconceived notion most often sort of what you're dealing with. What surprised you in working on this book. What surprised me. I think was The emotional vulnerability of Learned from his childhood coaches and teammates that he very much openly cried when he was younger because he wanted so badly to be great so if he had a bad game he'd cry on the bench if he felt like he didn't perform up to standard in his team lost. He would cry. And it went all the way to milwaukee that first year as a rookie. He openly started crying on the bench. One game and the strength coach robert hackett had to say like look. We don't we don't do that. An nba But i love that example so much because it shows the passion and the desire to be great you for some athletes at manifested them being loud or yelling or angry with janas it's always been a deep sensitivity and i think that has made him an empathetic person and player when you see the closest between him and his brothers his mother. How difficult was him in early years. You know coming from. Greece and china adjust to american culture in really city that he had never even heard of anymore was located. Yeah i was extremely difficult. I mean one of the big reveals the book i think. came from alex's youngest brother Jaanus youngest brother. Excuse me alex who told me that if the family wasn't able to come over jaanus basically told him. I wanna go back to greece. You know. I wanna leave the nba And the family kept getting denied. They got denied visas twice. According to my reporting so it was a very not assure thing for them to come to america and be with him and i think without them janas felt so lonely and so lost I don't think people realize how hard it is to come to a different country where you don't really know the language. Well you don't know what's going on and when you're used to sleeping side by side with your brothers literally in the same bed every day of your life and then suddenly it's just you. That is a very very tough transition. So how did all of that impacts his decision to stay in milwaukee. Well they finally did get to come over. Thank god that. At the time milwaukee was owned by the us senator herb kohl and he was able to use his connections Went pretty high up Through my reporting. I learned through like pre. It's rumored that secretary of state at the time help this happen And once the family came over jaanus was completely different. He was able to relax. He had joy The fears the loneliness it just subsided and it's no wonder to me that his game really started taking off after that you'll save. What's your favorite excerpt out of the book. Oh my gosh. My favorite anecdote is jaanus is a rookie He just comes to america. He's very brand new He is so used to childhood. He's had where he's had to fear. His parents being deported so he learned from a young age that he can't trust anybody because there's always anxiety of them getting deported so he had to get his tv installed and in milwaukee and cable guy was supposed to calm but was distrustful so he asked a buck staffer to come join him. The buck staffers. There it takes many hours nine to four. The buck staffer gets really hungry. While the installation is happening he goes into janas pantry. He eats three orioles. Doesn't think anything of it the next day at practice. Yana says hey. Did you take my orioles. And the and the staffers like what you know and then and then you honestly what. I noticed that three were missing and it just shocked the staffer shock. You count your oriole's but this is why i love this anecdote. Because of course he counts his orioles. This is a person that is so used to going without and so used to not knowing where the next meal is coming from and just because you ascend To a different country and make millions of dollars does not mean that. You're not still traumatized from all you've gone through and i just think that anecdote encapsulates. Everything he had gone through up to that point. We're talking to mirror feder author of yon improbable rise of an nba mvp. I don't wanna give the whole book away. But there's a great story about danny ainge going to greece to scout janas. Can you tell us a little of that. Yeah so danny. Ainge and a couple of members of his staff traveled to the city in greece. Called volos. and it's a pretty far away place And they sit down in the stands and the greek spectators think that he is a rival greek. Gm they don't know that he's danny anciently start heckling him because they think he's a rival. Gm and They're very loud. If you know anything about greek basketball it is intense. Sometimes little flares are thrown and then somehow they find out he's danny age and they start taunting him and cursing him saying go. Lakers go lakers. Daddy's like why is everyone doing this to me. And then he finally realizes that they realize who he is so Really sweet anecdote and it's funny to think back like what if the celtics took a chance on him. Celtics things are angry with that and we really appreciate your time. A great work by you guys can check out the book wherever you get your books improbable rise of an nba mvp. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me bar. I think this is an interesting portion of the conversation around jaanus how much we still have to learn. And it's been pointed out a few times of late that we have gotten so used to an nba culture where we know lebron the time. He's coming up from high school. We're still learning about honest twenty-six and and these sorts of moments sort of remind us how different this is than what we're used to and this is what happens when you win a title right. You know we know the what what he is but we don't know why he is that way right. And that's that's the part of the story that i'm more interested about as you hear why he's the way he is why he was so loyal to milwaukee it has a lot to do with his upbringing and we wasn't fortunate enough to understand his story. But i think it's exciting. It gives us a greater appreciation of who he is as we figure out you know. How did he get to this designation. Well and the loyalty. That is obviously part of this fabric. Just makes you. It makes me look back the way we've covered the decision to stay milwaukee over the last several years and we talked so much yelled so much so many of us about milwaukee's need to do everything right now to make sure they kept honest and then you hear the stories about his loyalty and you realize that you know. I think this happened so often. We're speaking for somebody. Without knowing somebody in his situation was very different was no chancellor. Emily we think. Oh he's gonna run to the money big market you know. He can make millions of dollars. He wants to be comfortable. He wants a sense of family and extreme level of loyalty that he has so. I think the bucks probably knew that. Hey don we we can just tell you if you're going to get it done. He's going to believe because he trusts us. And the culture shock gotta run his orioles county. Do you got accounts sure hazelnut. He's truffles do because it's only you like five. Yeah you know if you miss one of the whole thing oreos. I don't even how many listen can any fan out there. Call in any of our calls. Tell us how many orioles come inside of a of a pack. Yeah triple eight say. Espn and i talk about. the value. Pat i i i really. If you count your oriole's i i would love to hear from you. This is a really and look i. you know. i didn't grow up with much in a group so notoriously. I didn't really like sharing my food. Because i got to eat as often as some people. I wasn't going to give any right so to this day when somebody is going to have one of your fries. I'm that guy that's like no can go. Buy your own fries so like i get. I get a little bit of the terrier tori eliza with food but count the orioles man that's stream. That's a different level. Come all do well. Jaanus plays at a different level in general. And that's part of why we've had so much conversation about what this championship. Milwaukee means to that end tim. Legler was on Get up our espn nba analyst and talked about this ring. And why him it means more. He's going to be a rarity in terms of what he is just accomplish and what he chose to do so absolutely to me. It carries more weight. Just like i think steph curry's first championship carries more weight than the two. He won with kevin durant. I actually think lebron's championship. He won in cleveland. Because of this significance to the franchise means more than the two that he won in miami. Anybody that's ever been in. A relationship knows quickly. the i roll head. Bob moved that the significant other makes. I got that from part scott almost immediately you buy it. I mean as more ten thousand pounds of feathers or ten thousand pounds of rocks. It's the same and to me. Like i think ways the same like. I don't think that this is unique in. Maybe first of all he has a win some he has a win another one for him and figure out which one is more important to him. Which i think you know if he gets another title you know what i mean. I think the odds are that he won't get another title. I think this admiration you know. He plays right time right. Circumstances you know perfect but you know hats off to him. He did it his way right. He didn't he didn't run and you know but it's not like they didn't bring to superstars. Yeah i know we need to remember that in today right now. is we react. Maybe it has more meaning in ten years or people are gonna remember that part of the context. No it's all about championships. Apparently a lot of people want chime in paul in virginia beach. Call in about orioles. Paul give it to me. Man are you. Are you an oriole counter. My sources tell me. There are forty five in the regular size back or not. You didn't tell us do you count orioles. No they go too fast now. That's all right. Paul paul giving us the forty five. I think it's yoda's in virginia. Sorry if i'm not pronouncing it right. So what do you got what you. What's your oreo take. Yeah paula's right under forty five. I'd do count oriented. I am greek. As part of it has to do with the fact that we have a large family. And anytime you have lots of brothers and sisters lots of family members who live together. They steal food from one another. So it's kinda like a pre portioned like this is how many you get. This is how many i get. This is how many you get if anyone takes your oriole's or anything that you pre portioned out whether it be your dinner or whatever you're no you're gonna catch it so sempe thing that he's done this based on his family structure off the air. So yoda's do you have like a loose board and your room. Where you high like you'll stash you. Gotta you gotta stash. He hung up ready to go. Yoda's we're trying to make you a star way to grow on the scots. Apparently that they're supposed to be forty five. But i'm reading an article from from two years ago that due to inflation oreos actually dropped it down to thirty nine audie skimming off the top. A skimming off the top man. Save three cents. Like i'm trying to figure out the whole yoda's thing like rationing because like my brother's four and a half years older than i am and when my when my frontiers were loosing knocked him out for me so i can't imagine going to them and being like hey did you eat you. Many of the orioles on the commercial like put the blue light on like over your mouth. 'cause you don't like the little chocolate dark orioles get stuck in your teeth. I ain't orioles. Open your mouth. 'cause brush once a week and then the beheld pay all right we're gonna get thoughts on orioles college football. Nfl in everything from booger mcfarland coming up next. But first we gotta sportscenter update to get you one forest. It's a high drive field. This one is gone. And the giants have gone ahead and the ninth inning. His first career hit against kenley. Jansen was a bomb a two run homer three two giants here tonight. Knb are on the call sports right now. It was the game of the night between the giants. And the dodgers both teams entered looking to be the first sixty wins in the majors this year. The dodgers had to one lead in the ninth. The giants tag three off closer. Kenley jansen to win four to the giants were over twenty-five when trailing entering the ninth before yesterday jensen has now dropped to saves in the last week. Dodgers fans are mad. All right let's move onto some. Nhl news release the cracking the nhl's newest expansion team. I'm never going to get tired of saying that. The seattle crack in officially filled out their roster as the expansion draft was held last night so they now know what their lineup. looks like. In-includes goalie chris From floor from the florida. Panthers and the crack in now joined the nhl family move onto college football news texas and oklahoma. They both want out of the big twelve. Apparently as they have both reached out seeking to join the sec after hearing the reports texas an athletic director. Ross bjork said quote. We want to be the only sec program in the state of texas. There's a reason why texas. Am left the big twelve. Which i totally respect your take on it. I mean i'd love to win the lottery to we. Just don't always get what we want. We'll see how that moves playing sports center brought to you by straight talk. Wireless straight talk. Wireless has rolled out five g. coverage nationwide and you can get a samsung galaxy. Eight thirty to five g. For only two hundred ninety nine dollars with no contract on america's best networks straight talk wireless five g. capable device required actual availability coverage in speed may vary. It's like man in the world of college football right now between name image likeness playoff expansion and now oklahoma and texas decided that they want to be part of the sec. I'm just i can feel the collective heads. Exploding exploding of college football fans everywhere it's keystone woolen parts. Got jason fitz in for the guys we're presented by progressive insurance. We're going to head over to the goodyear hotline to get some expertise on this by our good friend. Espn football analyst booger mcfarland but are we got a lot of football. But i do or do do you personally. Do you know anybody that counts there orios. Every time they buy your bomb. I definitely count them when i eat them. Because i wanna know how fat. I'm gonna theocrat roy. Yeah mr peleton like. I'm not buying that because we see the numbers dude. Like i mean what. What's your peleton booger. It's really simple booker. Ninety four ninety four. See you all about brands. Yeah i'm i'm under a codename. Buzz light year part. Like i don't want to break t- how can you tell everybody. I didn't tell you the other buzz. Okay okay. that's fair. I'm disappointed. Because i i've been riding for about two and a half years and i got a text or the Hey let's ride or nothing book. It's like this right. I'm sure we were playing. I probably could beat you in a sprint. But listen riding on a palestine or bike is a different things. So i don't want to give latte by lime and you sitting there laughing at me and so they keep up with slim jim to project booger i. You're you're talking. Let's ride from time. Nobody i mean. I'm just saying i see bill all the time and you look good all right. So let's talk texas oklahoma realistically. Do you think they end up in the sec. Well i think eventually it's going to happen. I also think that eventually college football is gonna end up with these super conferences. Where you're gonna have four Four conferences probably gonna have sixteen eighteen teams. And then we're just gonna do away with ncw. I think that's eventually where we're headed Albeit probably ten years from now. I think the thing that people wanna know now is and this happened in the relative future. I don't think it's going to happen soon. as in the next five years but i do think that eventually. That's what you're gonna get. It's not just going to be the sec. I think the rest of the people in the big twelve we're gonna have to go somewhere You know so. Maybe they go to the pac twelve eventually. You're going to get four some conferences. They're going to have sixteen to eighteen piece in. Is that good or bad for college football. I think it's great for college football man because eventually i i think he's team's gonna play Still play twelve games. You're going to come up with a playoff system It's gonna look more and more like the ncaa basketball I think that's what people want. I think the only thing that really bothers me are really worries. Me is if we get to a situation in order to crown a champion where we're playing sixteen seventeen games because i think there has to be a line of delineation wrong that separates college athletics from professional athletics. And if if it's not gonna be The number of games which we continue to preach health and safety. So why are we asking college kids to play the same number of games as nfl Play and so. That's the thing that i worry about. And i will continue to advocate of student athlete. Regardless of how much in iowa money they're getting somebody has to speak for them. And i'll do that and you know that's what's gonna be sad right. They're going to say. Hey well we don't have a fifty man roster we got one hundred Players on harassing we can open up our roster so you know in essence if we play more games as more money for everybody and more money for those players you know speaking of the nfl. What do you think about the comments. And nick sabin kind of talking about. Hey you know. We haven't even named this kid starting quarterback brady but it's because of the brand and he's already got a million dollar contract in an In contracts how do you think that's gonna play. Two people rarely used a recruiting. Well i don't think it's gonna change much bigger by this man like even back when you when you and i were in school like it's always been the have and have not like every team we played on. We can think about five to seven guys would have and everybody else kind of feeling around those guys. I think when all this settles you have a very similar situation where you're gotta have a handful of guys the quarterback and star running back. The linebacker runs its mouth. A lot in those guys are going to get a lot of money Especially if you make plays eventually you know. Football comes down to this. Do you have guys that can make plays an impact. Impacting the game. But did you have what we call the clubhouse lloyd guys that stand on the sideline scream and yell and let's go but those guys team bus great or those guys aren't going to be Amongst the nfl providence. And so i i think that's ultimately what it's gonna come down to it. If i were a coach i use an i l. to coerce these players. Hey it's really so play better you get more money however also once you get the money then you also have to conduct yourself in a manner like professional meeting if you have a. Do for a half million dollars you go out and you get you are well. Guess what just like professional players. You're gonna get robbed by company. So if i'm a coach i'm gonna use to my advantage to motivate my players to get them to Act accordingly and. I think just can be a win win. But the problem is guys like uh-huh meet you and fifty who are part of the schools. We kind of turn on those up at the fact that a seventeen year old or eighteen year old. Like right sean is already making a million bucks and we're like how can this happen. Well it's just the changing of times. And i think we have to get used to that. I mean how. How do how to coach his guard against like the guy. That's trying to be the starters not really to start us out there hot dog and because he wanted to get some type of you know Brand name or pulling up some name and image of t shirt or something out there. You know like you know guys out there. Act like the michael. Irvin lead hurricanes out there dancing and torquing and stuff at the touchdowns. How do you guard against that. The one thing coaches of always been able to use audience playing time. It's simple man. Hey i control the plane time okay. I don't control what happens between the white lines to a certain extent. But guess what. I can always take away the planning time. And when you're at these schools alabama lsu will how state guess what you have a an ability because of the depth because the numbers of five five-star guys on your team you can just plug and play so guess. What if you go out there and you don't do it. I'm going to put you on the bench. And how many i o deal. So you're going to get on the bench not many so again. I wanna use this you if you're going to hold this over my head per se to hey brice you got a million books already man. He's making more than some of the assistant coaches bar. But guess what. I can hold over his head. I can always say okay. Bryce you wanna hide dog it. You wanna go out and act like your stuff doesn't stick really simple obvious. Play the next quarterback. Because i can do that because i recruit five stars so i don't think this is gonna be the wild wild west like a lot of people think that these kids who just automatically start running college football. I still think that if done the proper way the kids can benefit and the coaches can still have the ultimate authority that they do you guys can follow him on twitter at espn booger boogeyman. Always appreciate your time. My friend stay can't wait. See this fall brother. Anytime a Lead bar talk just a little bit more. Okay you got this morning. You'll let talking. I mean he's already got us well head to make sure that i keep him in his place. I mean enforcer. Here book a book. He's compensating you hold. That is well. it's all good. Just just remember at the end of the day. I was a fiddle player. Like my people kickers and punters of every band like so. Yeah santa's ole-ole can't make this stop. Alright it's j. zubin. He's bart scott. I'm jason liz leaking bart. There's one quarterback in the nfl. One future all famer. That bart says were all sleeping on. We'll tell you why after he tells you about. This does a thought of selling your motorcycle atv or vehicle already make exhausted. 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The five players we are sleeping on number five Number five daniel jones aka danny don's aka junior wa julia roberts led the league last year with thirty nine turnovers. You tell you what he's going to be much better this year. This is a make or break year for him. Saquon barkley guinea dot gala day sterling. Shepard ingram he has a a loaded roster and he's pushing for the division title competing against dallas and washington football team. Danny don jr. weipa mine number five if he plays really well this year. Can it become a junior bacon cheeseburger from wendy's because we all know that's better than a junior walker but your junior opera. Has he not his ass big enough to give him the junior hosmer. Okay okay go onto your next number. Four number four carson wentz. Ooh missing philadelphia. Eagles went all in. They won their title. But they had old rosser agent rosser and they couldn't support and protect carson wentz carson. Wentz goes back. We're frank right. He's going to be able to being a comfortable situation. He's out of a big media market. He's playing for historical organization that has had paid man that has had andrew luck. And he's going to be the next and those great lists of those guys is a redemption story. If they can protect the revive phil rivers was on life support when he was a member of the chargers. Carson wentz jess fi carson. Wentz is my number four. All be sleeping. is there any history. Okay go ahead number three. Some people call this magic. Some people call this tragic ryan. Fitzpatrick is my number three. He's like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get. But he's only manzi on you talked about having a great defense like he has out there. They went out and upgraded to the weapons on the office side of the ball. He's a guy that's smarter. He's ever lose you ever seen his low. Here's the next generation of man. You talk about that. He's smart so smart. I used to tell them all the time hit with a book. I'll tell you what find ryan. Fitzpatrick gives them stability. This was a team was a playoff team last year fish. Tragic fist magic. I don't know what you call them. Just call them number three number two number two. I'm telling you everybody's sleep on his team. This has been a story about a guy that was an mvp candidate last year. Yeah kyle murray column oriole. They did in the off. Season is go get him. Aj green also already had chris incur went on and got rondell more. Who's like many percy harvard. Right there you talk about being able to have a gadget guy a guy. That's tough guy has a forty two which vertical you pair him and some type of speed often are peo- murray very is going to be my number two. I thank you sleep on him. he's a sneaky. Pick also for. Mvp that takes us to number one number number one is do as more lives than michael myers. Every time you think he's dead he just rises up. I need is paul. Bear san rose by sun. Rise by sir you asleep and everybody's been sleeping big man. I'm tired of all this slander. On his co. Big ben he had his team eleven and over. No running game now. They had j. hairs. He's going to have a renegade. Who's going to have balance and they're gonna put him on a pitch count. Let me get list of guys. That big ben are better than there was. Well played at a high level wilton forties. You got vinny. Testaverde's warren moon. John elway yes that guy named brett favor. He's better than all of them. Check his resume. I googled it. I'm legit big band. Aka michael myers is my number one. Pull respect on big ben's name and you know i'm alive steelers i'm raving dammit bart scott jason fitz and bart scott. You've lost your mind couple of things here number one. It's not players players top five quarterbacks. I love that. You went all quarterbacks but that's fine that's fine. I'll forgive it. I can't go with you on the ben thing. I just can't i can't find a way. He's thirty nine years old. Like here's a spot where he's tom. Brady's forty five. There's a difference in the. I'm forty four in tom lake. I'm marrying there's a difference in how they're taking care of themselves. Look look. we're supposed to be buying that. This picture of ben is like spelt then like his not wind does not blow bloom up the fat bass hitting off season anymore. He's okay he's listening. He's eating better. he's not he's not he's still eating french fries he he he nice aids but it ain't the same nightshade. That's because tom brady eat avocado toast on me. Big ben is some fat ass. But we're not. You're telling me we're sleeping on somebody but you're also telling me that part of the reason is because they're going to run the ball more and they have great defense. That's not sleeping on a quarterback. That's saying that now. If you surround that quarterback with all the right things maybe he can turn around and win. That's a totally different conversation hall. Balance is it's called perserve deserving him right you you put him on a pitch. Because you don't want some man fifty times the likelihood that something bad is going to happen. We talk about fifty times. It's pretty damn high. Guess what safe. Turn around hand and a ball play action pass. Big ben standing in the pocket crane the passing lanes. He has probably to me the best You know. Everybody talks about cleveland and baker mayfield. I would take the skill position players of the pittsburgh steelers over that of the cleveland browns of what about the running stage. I mean you just said like bakers gonna live in a situation where he can just hand the ball off a bunch and then as bad as this is so many people manage the game and opportunities. That's the same thing. You're telling me that the ben's going to be doing they'd been peyton manning late in his career is not about his physical attributes about his mental attributes. He lives in he lived in world conference. We had to deal with the baltimore. Ravens knows complex blitz covers. He's seeing it all. It's not that anybody can show him and he when he's going to do he's going to get you the right play although omaha. Oh you want a brain safety down. Guess what. I'm running opposite side. Make it easy on myself. He's playing gilda above the shoulders and baker mayfield. So much more touchdown passes more commercial touchdown pass and odell beckham mess it all by the end of the year. Big ben's going to be the third or fourth best quarterback in his division and the steelers. Miss the playoffs. I'm telling you. I'm sure they putting the truth is out there out there to replace him more from steelers camp coming up next jay z. Bart scott jason dylan this adrian origin. Hausky checkout podcast. World with insight and analysis on the top stories in the nba adrian origin asking are insider extraordinary. Reaction breaking news. 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Hour 3: Air Raid

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Hour 3: Air Raid

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Thanks to good hotline. We're gonna talk about that low ceiling when it comes to mac jones's first year the pages according to and we'll fill in that blank will do that in about five minutes. But we have rex ryan on the show yesterday. Espn nfl ounce. Got a new podcast coming up. Organized chaos dropping september twelfth with bart. Scott we had a conversation with him. About kyle murray and so many people wondering make or break year. What's going to happen with air raid offense. Rex had this thought about what that needs to happen for column to be successful going. Forward you as a head coach. Got to bring back this air raid thing and go back to a damn nfl. That's where your balance able to run the football. You able to protect back instead of letting this this young superstar back there do his thing. He's going to work as magic. And if they're gonna just you know like i don't know how If people realize how special this young quarterback is but do more of the russell wilson type offense been this air raid thing. And i think you'd be more productive. So that's rex ryan. We know the defensive guy. Keyshawn talking about column murray how this is how he can be not defended as much by letting him cook but in a different way and i get the sense. He's not the only one that feels that whereby column murray and the air raid in the national football league. Well the system is garbage. As a whole. I don't like it it. I've never liked it. You go all the way back to college was different. Game in the pros. What has this system one. It puts up a lot of points and lot of yours and statistics whether it's texas tech washington state mississippi state could with hell mummy years ago. Whatever it is. Smu cal it wins. Nothing kyla murray ca- play in a west coast style system like russell. Wilson is in seattle and thrive in that system and win in a lot of games in get into the playoffs in those sort of things. And that's where rex's saying it puts so much pressure on the defense because you go three and out. Your defense is right back on the field. They don't they don't even know what running the ball is like. I don't even think they've ever even seen a fullback. So it's like you know. I'm a receiver and i'm a receiver so naturally you would think that i want to be in this offense that. Throw the ball every single down. No i don't know. I don't because in the end i'm trying to win and i cannot win with this style of play and on top of that puts my quarterback in harm's way and i don't want that one man's garbage another man's treasure and i hear were key saying but as a fan i like watching air raid. I like seeing murray out there scrambling i like seeing them spreading out the defense and look i mean you also like eight wins a year. I mean well. He took them from five five and ten in one year. Before i mean. So that's that's an improvement is not. I mean that's an improvement. So my thing is it continues to improve. I understand people may not like it because they don't think they can win with it but they have made improvement from the year prior to last year. Let's see if they continue to make more permanent with the pieces. They've added with aj grain and some of the things that they brought over. Jj watt defensively as. Well it's going to be hard to have that not saying. Have that kind of success or make a bump up keyshawn jay. We'll because look at that division. You got san francisco. You got seattle. You got the los angeles rams those three rough customers that you have to do with six times a year. And if you're running air raid offense that put your quarterback in harm's way that's why i believe we're rex ryan was coming from. It's not so much about that. He does lee column in that area can be successful. We've seen a little bit of that here and there. But you're getting your quarterback hit one week by aaron donald potentially another week by bobby wagner. Who doesn't get no credit. You wanna best linebackers and football for seattle. And then when you play the san francisco everybody hitching san francisco. Fred wanted their linebacker. It could be bosa. I think that's where key in. J. t. rex ryan was coming from thinking. You got to do a better job protecting your quarterback because in that division. If you don't do it. You're not doing your quarterback favors well not with just into division outside the division. Yeah it looks cool watching scramble for his life in throw the football sixty yard. That looks great. look i'm a fan. I liked it. I'm gonna sit up watching exciting football in the end. You're not gonna win enough games. Make any hey at all of the national football league. Guess they made an improvement so every single year. You just keep getting better and better and one more game you win. Guess what time is getting ready to run out. This is not the cincinnati bengals in marvin lewis. Where they're just gonna sit around for twenty years and let you just coach eight win seasons that this the national football league at some point you you little probably a little too young to remember when arizona cardinals only eight thousand people in the stands. Because they couldn't win games you don't want to get back to that messing around with this area system. This is a makeup break year. My opinion for cliff. Kingsbury steve kanda general manager. Kyla murray this is make or break year or else you're going to hear people start to say you know what may get rid of this stuff. Get rid of it. Get it out of the steve. Spurrier came into the league with it. How did that go. I mean it just does not fit. What the nfl does. I'd say we're going to be in the best interest for columbine his career moving forward to getting cracked every single down. Correct i rarely. Aj certainly your football player where you used to work. I'm not a football player. Don't cracked out there. When they hit that way. Man i trying to get hit like that. You've got four more your ass out. You oughta physicality stuff man all is that attainable watching now prospective the way column replaced so this is a make or break year for them but i wonder what kind of improvement. They won't be able to make if they look the andrea incredible catch last year. They had a couple of plays that they had some incredible things happen their way for them to eight on their side but it is entertaining to watch. I'll say we'll see how entertaining is watch. Not only him but looking back jones in new england. Because we know they're going to protect the quarterback they're going to run the football. They're gonna have to tight ends they're going to have to all personnel one running back to tightness attack them and i wonder how much let's say if that works out in new wing. Let's say mac. Jones gets that team to the playoffs. End though bart scott has caution people. Hey the ceiling should be low. System quarterback come alabama where he doesn't have a lot of faith that that's going to work to the effect that people believe should work in new england with mag jones. But we'll see if this turns around two key point with the arizona cardinals that have column erred user term. James getting cracked all the time. Because they're not protecting him then all of a sudden if they're protecting their quarterback in new england wide you not doing the same thing with the arizona. Cardinals is going to be interesting. How mack jones when he developed how it develops and how they can make that comparison with an office. It's not an air raid offense what they're trying to run in arizona it's just bringing them along slowly. Mag jones is. Is there as a quarterback that was supposed to be the future but the future got spit up to today. And the one thing that bill belichick and josh mcdowell in particular bill belichick knows how to evolve with times. He understands how to change things up. You look lashio cam newton. They started off to a one. Cam gets hurt. Camp gets kobe then all of a sudden it looks different because when he comes back from that they completely switched to a running game because they realized they could not throw the football they didn't try and continue to force it now. You insert mack jones to the offense. This is going to look more like tom. Brady early. Years of tom brady super bowl. Era opposed to the late years of tom. Brady in new england. You don't turn the ball over you. Orchestrate methodical drives and you keep your team in position to win each and every week. That's what i feel like mack. Jones can do sure can be that type of consistency for their team. And if he makes a big throw in terms of pushing the ball and getting into playmakers because people people banged on him but saying he had playmakers around him. But you still got to get the ball down the field. You still gotta hit every quarterback play makers around him. I'm not discounting because of that. Yeah but people were discounting him saying that will look in the offensive player than anybody could have made those throws. I thought they were not giving him enough credit for making those plays down. If i'm not saying key you and jay doing it but we not people love to say okay you guys think this that are great however but if it was so easy and everybody would do it. I think he's a good quarterback that fits with new england wants to do. That's what i think. I think he's a good quarterback that fits with new england. Wants to do. I know pre-draft it san francisco forty niners traded up to their spot in. Everybody went crazy. All they're gonna go after mack jones. I came back After being off for a minute. I heard the whole train them for mag jones because he did not fit. What cow shanahan regardless to. What carl shanahan in the smokescreens with john lynch work he did not fit the san francisco. Forty niners he just. Didn't everybody wanted to beat that. But the whole time they were looking at trae land even though they might have been telling people other things. That's just what you like what you like you know. That's that's what it is. Certain guys like smaller receivers other guys like dick receivers in basketball. Some people like big guards. Some people like small gourd. Some people don't like centers. Some people like five running the floor with three four words instead of a five a traditional five. I mean it. Just it's all about the system is what what the personnel groupings ordered. You like look some. Gm's when when gm's look at talent some gm's could say well. This talent is so off the charts. That i can build a system around him other people. Sit there like bill bell. I'm not to move my position where i'm going to draft because i have a system in place with talent and bring in off season that i think can drive the talent that i have and i think it was that sweet spot for bill bell check for him to find a guy that is their talent there. Yeah there's a ton of talent. Is it the same ceiling as trae lance no. But you don't need that with the style in which you run. And sometimes it's that simple for schematically how the minor teams either way schemes can work. If you've got the players can make those schemes work. All not not a lot of people going to complain about it if you're able to do that. Whether in arizona the air raid trying to their calamari or mag jones first season being the quarterback of the new england patriots gustav by jay williamson keyshawn johnson. Freddie coleman keyshawn jalen zubin on. Espn radio the espn app. Espn news and sirius. Xm channel eighty presented by progressive insurance drivers who save with progressive. Save over seven hundred dollars on average. When you get to open up in the season we can just feel it in the air coming into the. It's not really about what you want. It's about what you're willing to do to get it the see. I like our production and everything. But i got a problem with it. Was the problem quickly. Showed highlights the production. They show every other college team. Usc i gotta have a real conversation with whoever keeps putting these things together for espn. That'll be between you and the graphics department so that's gonna be conversation. I wanted to make sure there's video but either way college. Football is back in full force especially this weekend. Two major league games on. Espn abc alabama taking on miami three thirty eastern time than clemson versus joy. Seven thirty eastern time both of those games. Abc let's bring our man ryan. Mcgee does a great job of espn dot com senior writer also host a mighty mcgee weekends on espn radio. He is here. Thanks to your hotline ryan. We know you're down there for alabama versus miami. Many people believe that this is going to be a cakewalk for the crimson tide to number fourteen. Miami what do you think I think you will be eventually. Oh and by the way I understand what you're saying about. Usc tennessee grab but neither one of us don't do that. I look and i remember when my school used to be included in these things to come. We'll get back to when you say right now but you question. I think that Manny diaz is my dude I think had literally year to get ready for this game I think they'll hang early but the problem that miami's going to have with alabama is the same problem that everyone else has. Which is miami. Got twenty two really good starters. The problem is alabama's got one hundred of them. And so i think even if they hang early unfortunately Alabama just got too much and you know alabama or ryan or are they still alabama because when you look at it. They're going up against miami hurricanes right and not no nausea hairs. No mack jones notify smith. No jalen oiseaux no leatherwood. Alex lead would on the offensive line. I mean you start to look at what they lost on the office side of the ball never mind what they lost on the defense side. Guys like patrick sir tan. You lose so much talent or are they still the number one team in the country or is it. The ghost of nick sabin still hunting the rest of college football well and it's not only that it's replacing the offense coordinator in the defensive coordinator and it's all of that. But but you know we've had this same conversation about this team for fifteen years. Which is hey. Hey they just lost the heisman trophy winner. Hey they lost half their defense line the league. hey they just they're there. Oh see and dc. Both just slept for head coaching jobs. And what you do he goes and gets to former. Nfl head coaches and hires them the coordinators. And you know and oh by the way. His quarterback He just casually drops at media day. There's quarterbacks already making seven figures. Within i so i mean they just they just reload. It's just the depth of it. I mean that's is it. There's just so ridiculously deep that even if the guys that we all have pennsylvania now for the dudes you know then somebody like to. I'm literally looking out the window at the building where tua walked out onto the field and threw one pass on a national championship. Kim starting quarterback so it's just you know who they are. So i keep trying to find reasons to say You know what they will take a step backwards and And everything you do that. Then we're stamp right. Let's talk about some other news last night house. They was able to beat minnesota on the road. See jas rao play. Well especially in the second half. What were your thoughts on his performance. Especially the second half. I you know and to us just saying you know no matter who you are and no matter how good you are You know ohio state still replacing so much offensively. And it took half. And they're playing against. I think it's a really fair comparison between that game and that alabama miami game which is the fact that you know there's going to be an adjustment period and it's going to be in the first half but ultimately You know those guys that they are who they are and so credit for minnesota. We kind of forgot about them. You know the boat and all that stuff two years ago and they're going to change the world blow up. The big ten in the last year happened just kind of forgot about them. They're really good and obviously we all learned last night. Really good at running back. But but ohio state again. Just worn down and It's a team that how to win. You know miami. They visited will know how to win again all the time. What they used to minnesota will learn how to win again. But how state knows how to win. Alabama knows how to win. And you guys know that. There's no substitute for getting off the bus. Knowing that you're going to win the football game as opposed to get off the bus man. I think we must win this game. Yeah yeah great ryan mcgee host a mighty mcgee. You can catch on. Espn radio and the sec network. At nine o'clock eastern time espn senior writer joining us. Keyshawn jalen zubin on. Espn radio clinton. And george i mentioned that ballgame clinton number three in the country georgia number five. I know georgia's a lot of beat people but that's a pretty talented football team. Which team these the win this game. More to help their chances. Even though it's week one when it comes to the couch playoff georgia. It's not even close. You know clinton can lose this game and if you lose to a team that everybody's saying might go to play off and then you walk into an acc schedule you know they're gonna play in charlotte twice. They're gonna play there Saturday night and they're gonna play there know first weekend december nasa's champion. That's just what they do. So clemson's road to recovery with the loss Is not that state and people are gonna say i. You know what they gotta do quarterback. You know that's why they got off the slow start. Whatever and in georgia they lose that game. They're walking straight into to the sec. Their schedules crazy and so just think and plus with georgia. It's if they lose that game it becomes you know all man here we go again. You know we. We lost the game that we should have one and You know they have double digit wins every year. But there's always one. I lost and there's always easily to they lost to teams. That are in the playoff. So their fan base Is just going to the shoulder. Drooped house for them all. I thought gosh i it. Clemson were to lose and then say the quality candidates that they play aren't the same level that georgia will get the opportunity to play and for some reason. North carolina doesn't make acc championship. How would you then look at clemson. Well i think clemson gets the benefit of the doubt because of what they've done for the last ten years and this happened with them before you know i mean even when they started this run And we're going to with the watson and we're going to to the cost of all playoff every year they ever you lose a game she didn't lose while syracuse those games in that they get the benefit of the doubt because of their resume and You know not every school gets that. But but alabama clemson Improbably ohio state of the three to ryan mcgee. Espn's college football reporter co host of marty and mcgee Ryan what other team outside. And i like to say this all the time. Because you know i'm. Sec hater What team outside of alabama georgia in the sec is hiding behind alabama. To be. Good are really really good. You've gone texas. Am has the same problem with georgia. They've never been able to get the last time. Texting won a national championship. Gone with the wind was the no one movie fox off. Wow i'm not making that up. I know that was Jack eero coat no. Nobody's day. They just of paul at this yesterday. Am's problem right now. too is is what. Lsu's problem was forever. Which is they're so obsessed with the alabama game that it just sucks the energy out of everything else around it knowing that and our out jimbo fisher. Gosh probably six weeks ago working on something and already there everybody out there included jim. But we're talking about the alabama game going alabama game win the game and that's great but but you know you get so obsessed with one game sometimes you might lose a little tracks than the other ones but man they are loaded especially on defense and so it's Wouldn't i'm thinking about the fan game too. But i think they're the one i think if they played in a different league We just automatically talking about them being in the playoffs as opposed to have play alabama's. Yeah we saw we saw before and go out to tuscaloosa with johnny manziel. And i was right. It was the alabama alabama l. About they beat alabama. But they still didn't get into the playoff or are they still didn't get into the national championship. So it's more than just alabama should be. Concentrating is but but at the same time. I mean you know it's Who's your target. You know who who who. Who do we need to be to get some nice level. Honestly as part of why. None of your nick sabin is still undefeated. Something like sixteen or seventeen in our guest former assistant coaches and that includes jimbo fisher and part of the reason is those guys are so obsessed with beating the man that That they never do and so yeah and that's exactly how they liked it. Why he's the man. Yeah hey that just like ric flair. The beat. The manuel arrest. Hey ryan a pleasure. My friend enjoy the weekend. Especially when it comes to alabama versus miami. You take care of brother. Thanks ryan mcgee from the sec network and and mcgee on espn radio and the weekends he was here. 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Isn't it that these two teams are tied and it feels like the dodgers have a three game lead because of all that momentum that they built since they made that trade just before the deadline. For max scherzer and trade turner. They are gathering momentum and they are clearly the favorite now to win the world series. Look the giants had been the to me the best story in baseball this year. The most surprising team nobody thought the day would contend this year. they had a ton of home runs. It's a team joe. Girardi phillies manager said. It seems to have an answer for every matchup but the dodgers caught them. And we'll see this weekend if they can actually pass them in the three game series tonight. We got the giants as you know. But we got david price on the mound. Big leftie for us with a three point eight era. Why david price tonight is it. Just his turn in rotation well. That's part of it. Look they have to at this stage parts of their rotation the way. The dodgers do things that they're going to mix and match with some guys and i think a lot of it to kids when you look at the potential matchups with the giants opposing managers light to lineup left these against them when they have the possibility while knowing that they're going to be going to the bullpen during the course of the game. Because you know the giants have brandon. Bell does a key member of the lineup. A left handed hitter and brandon crawford. Mikey shrimp ski. All important lefthanded hitters. I wonder if that's part of for dave roberts buster. What a week. It's been for the mets mean between general managers zach. Scott in dwi have thumbs-down scenario going on with the fans. I mean what is this done for the reputation of the mets well. They are definitely the car wreck that everyone else in baseball has rubbernecking right. There's no doubt about it because you know the the assumption was when the wilpon sold the team to steve cohen. That there would be more stability because for years. The mets were known as one of the most dysfunctional organizations in baseball. But i've had people in that organization say you know what there was more stability when the wilpon were here now. That can get better as we move forward. And i think based on what's happened this year. Look steve calling any change that he could make going forward. He could be conscience free and a name. That's been mentioned a lot in the media's theo epstein of course su You know was the general manager of the boston red sox when they broke their finally broke through and won the world series in two thousand four general manager of the chicago cubs when they won the world series in two thousand sixteen. And he's a free agent right now. And if steve can offer them the hamptons and montauk long island. Maybe could convince the oda to join. I will tell you among the peers. Folks working front offices around baseball and named they're matching a lot. Is david stearns the president of baseball operations for the milwaukee brewers. He's not a free agent. He has a year left on his deal. I'm told by sources and see conan permission from the brewers to let that happen david stearns group in new york as a mets fan. He also would be a natural fit. I just might guess my instinct is. Is that theo would not want that job right now. I don't blame him one even for my new york mets. Espn baseball insider bus. The only joining us key jalen zubin on. Espn radio the other team in new york at one point had a thirteen game. Winning new york yankees. I noticed something a little bit. That happens a major league baseball but we could possibly get a yankees. Red sox wildcard which make people. Espn extremely happy if that happens. How much can the yankees gives back in terms of if they get past that wildcard being that threat in the american league the win at all. Oh i think the american league now is wide open because when you look at the teams that we viewed as favorites intermittently here. Chicago white sox are running away with american league central guys. They've been hammered by injuries. In the last week shortstop tim anderson going down lucas g lido lance lynn. The astros have a really good offense. I think there's some questions about their depth that tampa bay rays right now are the best team in the american league. They're demonstrating they're going to win the american league east again but the yankees with all that power with the increased depth since the trade deadline they would be really dangerous and by the way garrett cole is pitching better than he has the entire season out in the other night. What was the number thirty two swings and misses on foreseen fastballs and that start against the angels the other day and we know again is we are already can start hyping potential yankees. Red sox wildcard game. We know what that matchup would be. Garrett cole against chris sale of the red sox that would be a lot of fun. Buster we know the giants and the dodgers are the best two teams in baseball right now. Is there a sneaky team that we're not talking about that. Can come out of nowhere in this world series from the dodgers. The milwaukee brewers. Look they're not gonna get a lot of attention among casual fans but when you look at their rotation and you look at the strength of their bullpen and how their offense is improving. It seems like christian yelich has worked through some things and he's performing a lot better key that rotation dat bullpen can be anybody in short series. There it's felt at times when the brewers have played the dodgers in the postseason. That past like there's a big difference but corbin burns is probably the number one contender in the national league. As of this morning with walker. Bueller for the cy young award. He's been tremendous year five homers allowed in one hundred thirty nine innings brandon woodruff freddie peralta. That's an excellent team. Very dangerous in a short series and fun to watch people don't know about the milwaukee brewers. They play an exciting style baseball. Hit him on twitter. He's a great following. Twitter have bus to underscore. Espn is applies have missed the bus own. Espn baseball insider. joining us. On keyshawn jay williams zubin all the pressure. Your brother take care of bus and you'd be well. Let s go dodger. The dodgers win the world series. I can't even imagine what this show is going to sound like if that happened. It leads into the lakers last year. What you mean if we if we talked about this year we're not talking about two thousand twenty but we just want so if he was paying attention and listening to the show this past season i was no i was. I'm just saying that. How much is it going to be even more in back to back it. Then when we take our old guys run the heart would win it again. All of our old kai look how dp smile and look at them. You can't even wipe that smile space even if you wanted to hear such an old. Nba team. There's no way carmelo could ever help us win another yes. Brian stay healthy man. Well put it this way. They got guys that can help them. They can do that. You can always hit us on the dr pepper twitter. Feed do that. Keyshawn at jay williams and coleman espn keyshawn johnson. He's jay williamson. Freddie coleman quiche jalen zubin. We're gonna shake shake shake that thang involving cam. Newton the new york yankees and nick saban. That's next willing sylvan. The podcast do you own or rent your home share you and i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. 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Really kinda find out if it was real and not really through musical artists him there was some he knew something he did. And so james steele. It's time to hit us with taking a shake it here on. Espn radio james. I yeah i know. I know of that guy. Yes i do not not to pack to pock. I learned that earlier. You got james okay. I don't believe that you're not gonna give me grief while we're doing. This is true right. I i one Zach wilson is the next patrick mahomes acre shake. It shake sega. Yet i do. I got a good idea night. Don't because you would've said shaky with me. Let's try again. This is your show. Zach wilson as the next patrick mahomes taking her. Shake it shake. Y'all off again. Let's try one more time soon as i shake you what it says you do. What okay all right all right all right all right one more time often as you as you as your mom would tell you jay. You don't know on with him. We we all try to your my father yesterday you trip and you go on mom dad father you all over the calmed down a little guy. We see you know you see me. We're gonna try one more time. Yes zach wilson. Is the next patrick. Mahomes taken or shake it shake. Six teeth never go on your guy. We gotta get to okay so our issue with that type of comparison. Patrick mahomes became patch holes. Because andy reid in the system and the players around him and it took him a minute he wanted super bowl. He won a super bowl. The jets can't even get in there. Dan playoffs people. Need to relax on this kid and give him an opportunity to just learn how to play football in the national football league. Thank you does not put crazy expectations on him. Let him do his thing. I wanna talk about this anymore. And i i respect tony romo i just. I don't wanna do that to him at this stage of his career. I'm just leaving that whole alone. He has a plan. Nfl game yet. Let's see what he can take or shake when he actually plays the nfl game before we throw those kind of designations on him. Yeah i think. I can speak for all of us when i when i say. There's only one patrick mahomes go chiefs Cam newton. We'll make at least one start at quarterback in the nfl. This season take it or shaken take a circuit. I think i don't know. But i think he will get signed by somebody at some point in time this year and he will make start. Stay ready stay by your phone and the opportunity will somebody will get hurt. Some team will go through this where they will need a person like cam newton. That may happen. But it'll be as a backup. He's not making a start in the nfl. This year guys would literally have to fall down a bunch of them before that happens for cam newton. I don't see him taking a snap as a starting quarterback in the nfl even in a backup role in the national football league. This season ra. has taken her shake it on ken jay z. On espn radio. Matt jones and the patriots will win the afc east taken her shaken. Take your ticket. I believe that. Mac joe's in in in the new england patriots will win. Afc east and i like how you put. Mac jones in front of the new england patriots. Instead of just saying the new england patriots. I saw what you did there do that on tv anyway. I know i know what i'm doing. Good graphics i'm gonna go shake it here. I think you know we talk a lot about new england. I know that matt jones is the hot topic right now. But i just i. It blows my mind that we keep looking over to buffalo bills. It blows my mind that we don't talk about them. Having emmanuel sanders stefan digs the way jocelyn play last year. I know people can question run game but damn they are a good football team. The brings to your member. Didn't play in the afc championship game last year and get candidacy to use a little holy. You know what first half for the chiefs ran away and hid. And they're bringing that team back with josh allen who is close to being a elite quarterback the last time i checked since. He's playing the nfl for mac jones and has a team to win the afc. I'm going to trust that entrusting. The mac jones is gonna fit that properly with bill belichick and on the season editions in new england. All right can sean juban presented by progressive insurance nice to recess in a row. Wow guess here thanks to the headlines. Continue headline hair. No hair lines. Rogers and the yankees will meet in this year's world series taking her chicken The dodgers for sure gonna be in the chip. But i don't know about the other team. The dodgers for sure being world series. I i can't speak to the yankees out yankees a too hot and cold for me right now. I just Koby dream for major league baseball east coast west coast fans. But i don't see it. We thought this was going to happen last year. We held our into the bargain out west and the people east decided to do something different. I would i would love to see. I don't think. I think the yankees the pitching rotation to get them to the world series. Plus they need to clean up their amounts strikes at the plate. Man i it's not good ninth most moby yeah. They decided to go to the half early. We're getting to rematch the world series last year with the dodgers on one side and a tampa bay rays and the other side. I know that they can't even get the washing. Their stained with the tv contract must be ridiculous because people staying home and watching them. But top the bob the best in the american league we're going to see a rematch in the world sues dodgers on one side the other side. We got a seven-game series last year. Don't think we won't see that again this year between both of those were real quick alabama win its second straight national title it or shake it. I don't see. I don't see him winning another title. I mean new quarterback news situation. I know we just had ryan and he talked about how they just continue to keep reload reload reload yet. That's true but a lot of those guys that we saw last year had a lot of playing experience from the nausea harasses at played as a true freshman to the devante. Smith's the jalen waddles. Those guys the patrick certaines. They started as true freshman. This is a different situation with these guys. Y'all go shake house in that conversation. But i think we'll end up seeing spencer rattler and oklahoma when it all. That's good we can't win a bowl game but spencer rattlers different. I'm gonna take. I discharged. Nick sabin that he can take his and beat yoon and he's got isn't and beat the rest of them when it comes to that he's keyshawn johnson. He's jay ones freddie coming key jay z. Do we need to make the plan cowboy from four to twelve. That's next jay will answer podcast. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. 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We've been taking your calls all morning long on the best. Sports feuds eight say espn eight eight eight seven to nine. Thirty seven seventy six and this of course prompted by last night the announcement that jimmy johnson will in fact be put in the dallas cowboys. Ring of honor. Jerry jones sitting next to him on the fox set making the announcement. Take a listen. We are going to certainly be recognizing what's happening here with the hall of fame But take schramm who started entering a all said. Jerry keep it keep it kinda limited people but make sure one just about the place they may make sure contributed to the story of the franchise. That's kinda hard to not recognize this contribution to the story of the franchise. So are we making an announcement here. Well we can be if we can. I don't know how we're going upstairs. No yeah you go ahead make that. We'll be in there you go. I love you heard it here while i'm alive. That was the best part while i'm alive. So it does. In fact appear as though jimmy johnson will be in the ring of honor. And you're not buying it. You think this was self serving. I love that they have. They have come to a place where jerry jones has realized the error of his ways the mistakes that he made that he bleeped it up and he admitted as such a couple weeks ago when he was doing a public appearance that he bleeped the whole thing up But you're saying The timings to two coincidences two convenient. Right it's two convenient. That is jimmy johnson's night his weekend. He's going into the hall of fame. And who are we talking about. Are we talking about jimmy johnson. What he was as a coach and college and what he was as a coach in the pros. You know what he's been as an analyst. No we're talking about jerry. Jones finally seeing the light. And i don't know if you've ever seen that movie life you know when they sit in there like eddie murphy you. You said we were going to die here and you right you right. You're right we next. For what the yolk boot room. So now you look at night. And looking at gerry. Jerry olas l. and now he see his mortality. He's talking we won't win the super bowl for a die. And he's trying to come back and amend all these relationships but you can't just start from there right while we have in a public conversation about a private issue right. You talk about iran. And how he's you know trying to fix it and men defenses in what he's saying we have private conversations whereas the private conversation with jimmy johns before you come up here. Hey i love you. I man you try to go ahead and has autograph signings at the at the facility jimmy johnson day. Everybody come here you know. Buy one get twenty five free some stuff like that man. It's self serving man. You are very cynical when it comes to this. Jimmy job i am would you are. I'm recovering. i'm trying to get my life together. We're breaking news here coming to you. Live from above the heineken riddick. At pier seventeen. So let's get to your calls. We've got charles in ohio charles. You're on with jen and bar. What's the best sports view you can think of. Thanks guys for taking my call I say pete rose and the commissioner he had to deal with everybody defended rosen. Everybody you talk about not being able to tell the story of baseball without mentioning. Pete rose one of those things man. And he's i think at this point is the only thing keeping pete rose alive is just he wants to be recognized for his contributions to baseball and unfortunately him and we'll be just can't get it right so you're on. The side of pete. Rose should be in the hall of fame. You can tell the stories like it was like cancel. The cancelling reggie bush like. I didn't know. I didn't see what i saw. It's like talking about the fat five. I didn't see what i saw like. Come on man like you. Play yourself like barry bonds not being in the hall of fame like really you tell the story of baseball without arguably the greatest hitter also one of the greatest players of all time. Congratulations you play. Just it's definitely like trying to ignore the warts nor the issues that you're sport is expressly when a lot of that. Steroid era was was allow by. Mlb because they wanted to get they wanna get the race. The whole sammy sauce of mark. Maguire stuff you know what. I mean the fact that you know now. We got the sticky stuff right. The spider tacky two thousand era right. We we had the bay still in science stealing. Like where does all of those are competitive advantages. Like you know what i mean. So you can't tell. The story of baseball without talking about. Pete rose and i talking about barry bonds and you can't tell me just because you don't put it in a in a in a in a place that i see what i saw pete rose in. Mlb another great example of a great sports feud that i believe is still going on. Because i haven't seen them say that pete rose can go into the hall of fame. How about james in minnesota james. You're on with jen and bark. keyshawn jalen zubin daddy. Hey good morning. Thanks for taking my call Tell you what the best sports rivalry as fans here in minnesota non theme when he took the stars and less than what the dallas A little bit before. My time has hit the google later up and see what that was all about. Can you elaborate a little bit about the story. How did it make you feel brother. Made him speeches too so norm green. He was involved in the north stars. Moving to dallas. Is that what. I picked up on there. It was the minnesota north stars and then they Picked up a move so it was one of those relocation stories which again i think you could go back to. There are an awful lot of those types of in sports. I i always think of. Is that stan kroenke cranky cry cranky but that is not right and saint louis fans right. I mean they are never going to forgive him. Yeah taking that team in one day even west one day. They're going to one day. They're gonna come back like they were cleveland and they're going to expand nfl. I think either. I think that'd be a great location. You know that's a great fan base out there in saint louis and i think eventually get another team and then they'll be able to play staying cranky crunchy and then bit let them know how they feel jeff in pennsylvania. You're on with jen and bart on keyshawn j. willing zubin. Who's your best. sports feud. Good morning john. good morning. First of all bart mike. Parsons went to penn state ohio state. Why you wanna curse the guy like that l. new linebacker you. I know that Jim leyland in the aforementioned barry bonds nineteen ninety-two spring training these to get into a scuffle. An argument next year very bonds is playing in san francisco. Jim leyland is finishing in florida. Started a twenty year losing streak for the pittsburgh pirates another good one skinny berry. That was you right now. What's skin hair grew two centimeter eight. Eight eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven to nine. Thirty seven seventy six. We're talking about the best. Sports feuds in honor of jimmy johnson and jerry jones apparently burying the hatchet last night they announced on the fox broadcast that. Jimmy will. i wanna go backwards. Jimmy jerry jerry jimmy jimmy jerry that jimmy will be in the ring of honor. And you're saying this. Was jerry stealing the spotlight from jimmy who deserved to be the main guy once again making it all the ball him. Of course you've got to put him in a ring on it. He's going into the hall of fame. He's immortalized yeah. You'd look kind of silly when you if you don't put them in the dallas cowboys ring of honor when he's been put in the highest highest honour all of nfl football. I mean he's already played itself gonna do brought you to titles in the third when switzer one with really with jerry slayers basie got your three titles at three six fifty percent came from him and he ain't in your ring of honor the you'll ring honors a fraud. And i believe i was reading that barry switzer was like back in the day back back in the day. Like when all this is going to fix this doing you know in Jerry was like no. Jim's gone said what do you mean. Jim's gone jerry's life. That's what you get. Screw jimmy right. I think it's fine. i'll stay. That is of course a great example of one. The best sports feuds keep getting us your call all morning long eighty eight say. Espn eight seven to nine. thirty seven. seventy six keyshawn jalen zubin is presented by progressive insurance. Save when you bundle auto home or motorcycle. Insurance visit progressive dot com. The clear sign that nobody and we mean nobody stays with the same team for their entire career. 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We'll get you some endorsement all kinds of stuff. Just think about that though. Think about the journey. The olympics are every four years last year even an extra year because it was delayed fifteen and she's won. Three olympic medals bronze silver and gold finally getting the gold this year meanwhile team. Usa's women's basketball team defeated serbia. Seventy nine to fifty nine to advance to the gold medal. Game brittany griner led team. Usa with fifteen points and twelve rebounds brianna stewart at a twelve points and ten boards for the americans. Usa will play for a seventh consecutive gold medal on saturday. At ten thirty eastern against the winner of japan and france which is currently underway. Did you hear that. They're playing for the seventh consecutive gold medal. We think it's a big deal that the men playing fourth straight gold medal these ladies crush exactly and like i think we need to put some more respect only name because they hold this down. The world dominates the distance between the best players in women's basketball in american team versus. You know ms basketball is far greater. And it's so crazy that so many women in the game still have to go overseas to income. What are you doing man. What are we doing the summer games news notes is brought to you by carmax. If it's time to sell your car go for sold with an instant offer from carmax find out what your car's worth with an instant offer at carmax dot com carfax the way it should be Also here on. Abc on kishan. Jay will zubin also k. jay z. Barcelona says lionel messi will not resign with the club. They put out a statement yesterday saying that a deal between the club and messy for a new contract hat could not be reached and that it cannot afford to resign him. Due to economic and structural issues related to legal regulations messy of course is thirty four years old seventeen years with the seventeen when you think of lionel messi. Obviously sometimes you think of him with with the national team but you always see him in. A barcelona jersey is that i thought it was tattooed on those men in black. There's been lassou everywhere this he can't get it off so let's take a listen to some reaction to the messy story. Does messy really wanna go. Did you really want to leave. Barcelona after twenty one years at the club or is this maybe a little bit of power. Play a little bit of a poke in the ribs to league. There's been a lot of tension between barcelona as well as madrid and lalita over the super league over doing desperate in the league from un-american private equity group called cdc so it's looks like there's more here than meets the eye. And i. i don't know. Maybe i'm just being naive here because i can. I can imagine barcelona without lionel messy. Yeah most people can't that of course. Gabriel mark cody. espn's f c analyst. He was on sports center with our friend. Jay harris so that brings up the question bar. What is another athlete in the united states. Who you can't imagine in a uniform other than what you've seen person you can be either. I mean michael jordan. You mentioned michael jordan and other uniform. Well he at a wisdom that mike it. That's crazy because so many guys do switch teams. Peyton manning is another example united. Got them in the broncos uniform. Johnny human it's like some of these things awkward came alive in the rafters. But i guess for me growing up it would have been weird for me to see barry sanders in a different jersey. Even though he wanted and he just retired they ruined his career. Or isaiah thomas right. Because i'm a detroit Detroit fan throwing and through so. That would hurt me to see those guys. You know. have a different uniform. Because i think they represented the era name represented the city in a town in the organization. I think we're getting more used to the idea. And i think tom brady has helped with that. Obviously spending his entire career in new england and then making the switch over to tampa bay. That was awkward for some people. That was tougher. Some people swallow. You had to wrap your brain around it. A little bit with aaron rodgers this summer because the thought was he wouldn't be in green and gold and he still might finish his career somewhere else. So i think it's a little more. We're a little more. Say okay with it but it's been shoved in our faces so much recently that you're kind of like it's almost inevitable. That guys won't finish their career in uniform. So you're from milwaukee right from northern illinois north okay orleans chicago so how was it with us. I see like maybe a mike. Single terry or brian. Urlacher is walter payton. I wonder. I wonder how people digested send brett. Farve not only gonna be in a different jersey but the minnesota vikings irs. Yeah and it's crazy because brett farve is so teflon. I mean even though there were people who just couldn't believe that he would hold the franchise hostage and and fans who voted their entire fandom to him still love him still love they by minnesota vikings jersey. They by the jets jerseys. So are you gonna throw up in your mouth a little bit when you see eh. riders in denver broncos jersey. I kinda again raised it. It's kind of almost like inevitable you know and you just kinda like it's gonna happen may get yourself ready for it. May as well get yourself prepared for it. I just don't understand how messy they probably paid him over a billion dollars those guys him or an auto makes so much money over there like the fact that he couldn't take again give a discount. Give me four hundred million well and you're seeing. We mentioned that he's thirty four years old and again. We're talking about tom. Brady in fact. I don't think that a decade ago guys were thinking about playing into their forty s. It was like two thirty six thirty seven. I'll shut it down in the nfl. We're watching carli. Lloyd believe is thirty nine. She scored two goals. In the olympic bronze-medal game yesterday like the advancements in medicine the advancements in recovery. All of those things are making it so that people can play a lot longer i would i would ask by. Our listeners viewers more impressive. Tom brady and what he's doing at forty. Four or bernard hopkins did it. Forty eight forty nine beating a young bride do trying to knock his head off to win a title so what he bernardino. He wanted a title at forty eight. I think he'd be jean pascal. Like who was a young bronco bull right. I mean he did his thing. This is boxing boxing. Boxing definitely die. Bernard hopkins what he was able to do and he always told me something that i always tell other kids. You know. i mean what's built last longer was born right. Always use that analogy between him. Roy jones because they fought at such a young age. It's like a hard work versus talent. Do about exactly because when you build when you some of the greatest built and bourne. Right bernard hopkins was not as good of an athletes. Worry jones junior. But roy jones was built with all these athletic traits but when slows down. If it ain't built it won't last so he always told me they always say hey. This was built last longer was born and when you look at both of their early on. You would've thought by far jones and roy jones still a hall of famer but i would think you would say that more impressive career is bernard half is how long he was able to be dominant. You know we became accustomed to seeing roy. Jones fight a heavyweight and get knocked out by god's late in his crib behind never took extensive damage. I think they would always say that hard work beats talent. I mean it's great to be talented intrinsically have more athletic ability and maybe more instincts than everybody else but working hard is never going to age is always going to be it ages. Well as a great way of putting it by the way almost feel like. I'm in a different country sometimes with you. If ever traveled outside the united states to italy or spain or something and you know a little bit of spanish but not finish all over the okay so so sometimes i feel like when i went to france and i don't know any french okay. But you're trying to pick up on context clues and stuff. That's how that whole conversation. Conversation fell to me right there. You're trying to pick up on little big. Assume i know that you know. What i'm thinking bernard hopkins that's boxing. We've been taking your calls all morning. Long eight eight eight seven nine say. Espn is at the numbers. Eight say espn. Give us a call. We've been asking for the biggest sports feuds eight eight eight seven to nine thirty seven seventy six. That's the number. Give us your sports foods. We're talking about jerry. Jones and jimmy johnson as well as who would be the most bizarre. What athlete can you not even imagine being in a different jersey. And i know for a lot of people that would have been tom brady. Dirk nowitzki is a guy who you know you. Just think about him and you see him in that journal. I can't even imagine playing for somebody else. Feel like based fruit derek. Jeter you even imagine. Derek jeter suiting up for a different team could not know again in your brain every time you think of him you picture them in the pinstripes. That's just how it works Lots of folks weighing in. Let's get to some of your calls. Steve. in tennessee. you are on with jen and bart on kishan. J. will zubin. Good morning steve. Good morning i'll give you two. I'll i i'll give you a joe namus when he went to the rams. I don't know if anyone knows that. But ramses and reggie jackson believe martin absolutely in fact we. We mentioned that earlier in the show because Billy martin seems like feuded with a lot of folks who steinburner tonight again. That was you know. You just got brahma bulls. You've got taipei personalities. You got the egos and you think you're right and they think they're writing just go. You bash heads into each other steve in new jersey. You're on with jen and bart on kishan jail in zubin. Best sports feuds steve steve steven tennessee. Yes steve tennessee does go right here. Steve moore won't baby bar you boy ray lewis sugar. Yeah sugar lewis in the squirrel. Dad's is like that's that only belongs in baltimore you you ride without him. Jonathan ogden. i can imagine you'll the first overall picks ever in the history of the organization. Ray lewis ninety six dot org ninety six both into the hall of fame. Is he knew. Savannah thousand on his ninety six. Dr eight eight eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven to nine. Thirty seven seventy six. We're taking your calls on the best. Sports feuds in honor of jimmy johnson and jerry jones burying the hatchet. It would seem and jimmy going into the ring of honor according to jerry last night on fox. Let's go to fred in utah. Fred you're on with jen and bark. Good morning good morning john. Good morning my man you. You reminded me of king vitamin back in the day. So i had to tear it up ten of roof of your mouth up king vitamin but i'm gonna go with my nixon the eighties. We battled with the he charlotte everybody before everybody and seeing patrick ewing in another jersey but my heart ooh yeah that's a great one. Yeah patches you in an orlando magic jersey. Man look like oliver miller. Keep taking your calls on the best sports feuds and were also asking what athlete in the united states would be most bizarre for you to see in another uniform that of course because messy will no longer be with barcelona. They announced it yesterday Let's get to zack in arizona. Zach you're on with jen and bar on keyshawn jay williams zubin. Espn radio the morning guys. The morning the morning this a recent one but my new feud is with bruce. Arians leaves the cardinals to retire. Comes back wins the ring and tampa bay us cardinals. Fans out here are still sick about it all. I didn't realize that that was yeah. He well he had he at health issues right. he's supposed to retired. you know. pull the urban meyer. Right left went into the booth four-year decided he didn't like it and came back and went to winter tampa. I know you'll have beefed. Oh i thought. I was happy for him because he you know he. He wasn't well apparently not. I'm a real sports guy. And i've been a cardinal's fan since they were playing in sun devil stadium and the cardinals were role and then they were role that they had they had it. Maybe this year. He'll be back. But i just i just have a problem with him. Retiring quote unquote going to florida. Perfect opportunity comes up. He takes it any win. So congratulations but that was supposed to be the cardinals. He wishes that he won in arizona. I got you. I got you. I think we should keep our eye on arizona. They've been making moves in. I think we've said that we think that the west could have three teams in the playoff this year considering the playoffs expanded last year. Get a few more extra teams in there all right. Everyone was wondering what the cowboys defense would bring in dan. Quinn so what did our experts see from the dallas d last night in the hall of fame game and that is after sportscenter. Turn and again. A little stutter. Step down the goal line and into the end zone for that steelers touchdown his caitland balaj. And i'll tell you what. I don't like to dig up pass names. But there was a little echo of levian bell. And that little stutter. Step that courtesy of wd one or two point five fm in the first nfl. Preseason game in two years the pittsburgh steelers defeated the dallas cowboys. Sixteen to three thursday night in canton ohio. Neither starting quarterback play but we did see each team's twenty twenty one first round pick. Now's you harris finished with eight touches for twenty five yards while mike parsons tallied three tackles and one fumble recovery lino messy to leave barcelona after seventeen seasons. According to a statement released by the club on thursday both parties reached an agreement for a new contract but due to economic and structural obstacles will not be able to continue their relationship. He leaves after seventeen seasons with club records. Titles one goal scored and games played and the commission on chicago. Landmarks unanimously voted on thursday. To approve the cubs plans to build a two story. Sportsbook right next to wrigley field. It will be open to the public before. During after games and fans will be able to enter wrigley field from inside the sports book. But they don't have to go to the game to make bets inside. Sportscenter is brought to you by nature valley. We bring the energy to your morning but sometimes the commute and those early mornings can wear you out when that happens. Ravin nature valley granola bar and head outside for a quick mid morning. Break to experience the energizing power of nature Back in studio that is the theme. Because look at damien. Woody hanging out with us in studio yours real when they brain a big time win zubin. Great to see you man damien. Woody is here given the straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. No contract no compromise damian. How nice was it to have football back on your screen. all man. it was a beautiful thing to have live football with fans in the state and the stance. It's been a long time coming. It's been a long time. this is something i think. The country really needs to have that that taste of of la football again with the fan. So i'm looking. I'm looking to more of it. We got we got stretching to february. So let's keep this thing rolling dallas. I want to talk about the dallas football team. Not the former soap opera. That was dallas. I sometimes get confused. Right douse and you think about dak prescott. Getting a bag. Like we thought he was gonna do. He got the bag. That david david supposed to but already right. It looks like it's a little compensation there for me. D would because you know you talk about your plan your black plant foot or maybe change the mechanics. Do you have any concern about the shoulder. Because it's supposed to be just a week or so not going to shut them down to the starter yeah. I'm a little concerned about i. Know troy aikman talked about it. On the telecast last night about how unusual the injury is and and you know we know how secretive teams are going to be when it comes to these type of injury. so i'm a little concerned about dak. Prescott showed but the one thing i know about dag. He's you know we've obviously seen the type of injury came back from From lashing and lower leg injury that he sustained last season so the one thing we know about dad he's diligent he's a he's a pro. He's gonna work back in and and listen. I'm picking cowboys. Say i mean i need. I need day. So i need deck back in the mix. I have the extended period of time. I spoke in just like an offensive lineman all about the offense man. Some of the greatest teams you ever been on was built around defense and they came fight. They were out of wet paper. Bag won't buster grapefruit fight and you pick a dallas. I am picking you know what. I'm picking dallas because they are by far the best quarterback in division by far by far the to believe in danny dive at all. No love for danny dies is is in dak prescott area code. He's not he's not okay. Would that would that change. If watson gets traded to the eagles we would you tell me. That's a whole different dynamic. Don deshaun watson the tough quarterback okay. We just don't know if he can play. You mean that's a whole different circumstance. When it comes to the shawn watson obviously with the altar field stuff that he has to resolve. But you know if you if that situation where to place stuff out. Now you're talking. you know. Know something totally different but right now dallas cowboys the best quarterback in it sounds to me like you're buying in a little bit to the defense as well. They put so many pieces on that defensive side of the ball they went and got so many draft picks. Like they're trying to get better on that side. I know that they were very very bad last year but they at least put a lot of their effort resources towards getting better. I can't get any worse. I mean that's that's mark dane. They can't get any worse. i mean they were. They were awful. I like boston. They couldn't stop nosebleed last year. So i listen. I think that dan quinn coming over. Yeah i think will ray. I think he'll raise these guys to at least respect ability. I'm not asking them to be top ten. I'm just asking you to be average if you're averaging dallas what they have on offense with the scaling and dak prescott and quarterback. They should win the east this year. Public concerns. I have with that offense right and you listen. You're an elite office attack. Play guard offensive tackles. Well any concern with tyron smith and his inability at thirty. He seems like the oldest thirty year old. I've ever been around talking about his listen injuries. He's already with the neck role with elbow braces. And all that stuff any concern too. He can't stay healthy and he can't stay healthy. They have a chance and went into eat. Well i think you know as much talk about dak prescott. A lot of mar. Prediction is also predicated on the fact that he get three starting off his alarm. Back layout collins. Zack zack martin. And tyron smith so you know. Those guys made significant. You know tom last year. And i think it's gonna be imperative for those guys would be healthy in order for the dallas cowboys to restore potential and to win the division. Now if they start having these injuries again. Nothing that's going through a monkey wrench until plans damien. Woody here on keyshawn. J. will zubin in studio which is such a treat greatly you you guys are talking about offensive line. I don't think that we can talk about the steelers without talking about the offensive line. And i know we've been talking about all off season but are they in a position where you feel like they've taken the steps necessary to protect whoever's back there obviously big ben is the guy right now have they taken enough steps to improve that offensive line given the the retiring and the the free agent situation have they done enough that remains to be seen. They're going to need a ton of reps anytime. you're talking about. I believe they replaced four hundred five offers. A lioness berg. You're going to need reps offensive. Cohesion is all about reps reps reps. So they're going to need all the preseason it gives many reps in it's possible You know their offers along coaches guy. That actually was a teammate. Of modern new england's name adrian klemm. You know he's got a big he's got a big challenge ahead of him For the pittsburgh steelers. Because i think with this team that unit is going to be critical for the pittsburgh steelers. We know that the steelers invested a number one picking nausea hairs multidimensional running back. Who's a three down guy but none of that matters. If you can't block right you know. So for the pittsburgh steelers my opinion in the preseason. They need reps. They need to get that chemistry going because if they can get that combined with their defense. I think you start this here. A little bit different tone about how people speak about the pittsburgh steelers. Now you played last quarterbacks right so you know what time you got you play play. I did he played quarterback right like like. Do you think that big ben is done or do you think that you know. Basically it was the the elbow surgery and he had to throw the ball too much. Because i think we're disrespecting the pittsburgh steelers won the pittsburgh still has always been organization that easily replaces great players right. I can remember. Fantasy came over was playing with you when you use when you have brett farr. They filled it in with willie cologne and unaided. Miss a beat right there. Yo they lose you know Joyce joy porta they come in with with with tj wa. They come in with deebo like are we sleeping on. The pittsburgh still know last year. You think the pittsburgh steelers legitimate contender for the afc north. He always says that they were eleven. Oh last season as though the but then the bottom. I last part of the season doesn't matter. Here's what i'm going to say. I'm gonna say this about the pittsburgh steelers. Mike tomlin has never had a losing record as a head coach. Think about that thing. How remarkable that is. He's never had the visit in that division in the afc north. He's never had a losing record. So that just speaks to you. Know the the the the stability within their organization and be able to evaluate players. And get the right guys in there as far as big ben concern. Let's he's not big ben of old where you know. He was god that was mobile. It can move around absorb his. That's not big ben anymore. But i do think that big bank could be efficient. I think that's the key word. Here is efficient but only way big. Ben can be efficient. They need to have some similar salute of a running game. They didn't have that last year if they can get a running game to go along with what they have on dvd football. You'll see a better big ben in twenty twenty one okay. So you pick in his stiller's to being contention right united. Just picking cleveland like everybody. You ain't jumping on that bandwagon listening right now. I'm picking the cleveland browns. You just told me about great quarterback play in the best quarterback megabanks ville by for. He may not be better than borough by the end of the year. Think we're borough has with tyler. Boy t higgins ange Jbar chase you listen. All that sounds great but you might be scraping earlobe off the field. K protect them so that's to produce a call an audible omaha omaha my ears. As david mentioned the steelers are hoping that nausea harris can get in zone. Get in the zone is brought to you by autozone get in the zone. Autozone keyshawn jalen zubin is presented by progressive insurance. One damian's former teams is having a quarterback battle for the second straight year. Does the heir apparent still have the edge. That is after bart. Has this from door dash door dash of dash pass right now. Dash pass members are taken ten dollars off groceries. 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The wide receiving core was significantly upgraded would nelson and kindred born. So if anybody can do it with this cast of characters and his group is bill. Belichick along with cam newton. We'll soon find out starting training camp. This is the biggest season. Ever countdown to the nfl. Season continues weekday mornings with g. Schon jalen zubin starting at six eastern on espn radio and espn two. You don't next versus. I wanna see honestly missy elliott in lauryn hill. Who say. i've been here. I can dig that one you know missy come with our below like her big garbage bag thing super-duper i Keyshawn jay williams zubin presented by progressive insurance. All guests join us on the goodyear hotline. of course keyshawn. J. will end zubin out. Bart scott jen ladda and damien. Woody in-studio right now. We'll continue our nfl talk with our big guy. Espn nfl analyst damien. Woody okay we want to get to the quarterback competition quote unquote. That's going on in new england because even though we've been told that there is a quarterback competition it sounds like cam. Newton is just crushing it out there. It sounds like it's not even close when you compare these two guys and what they've been able to do with the reps. They're getting in training camp before we get to that yesterday. Bill belichick said some stuff and remember high said. It's kind of like sometimes. I'm interpreting french when i'm listening to barscott. I need your help damian. Interpreting what exactly bill belichick is saying here. Whatever it is it is I can't control that. So looks like the field will be arranged arranged a dozen a dozen Audits it's not. That's what it is so you help. Please help you speak fluent sieff. Lord lord juice. I do speak bill check in and you know this is a situation where base bill is like. Listen at today. They're not going to cancel the games. So we're gonna play him whatever type of conditions that that that they throw at us and that's just what it is. Whether it's you know hot coal you know as far as players available. Don't it doesn't matter it and we got go out there and and make it happen so bills not type of guy. That's going to give the excuses about you. Know what things on with. Things aren't so that's just what it is. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that cam newton's going to keep this job the entire year now he's gonna start with this job. Because i think cam newton understand that. He's not going to be here next year. He's not gonna play for three point five million dollars for anybody. He's gonna be trying to find a way to kind of resurrect his career. He thought he could do it. Last year didn't work out that way. Because covert because of the. The off season is being able to work with his teammates. But i think this year you know this could be a situation much like we had in san francisco when we had colin kaepernick. You know kinda. Take over for alex smith and they were still winning at that point. But you know that you know maybe he can take you a little father cam. Newton can take you. I know saying a lot. But when i look at this office alive d- what i think this might be the best offense line in the gang. We're bringing trent brown eyes aylwin. We already know what andrews and mason is four hundred five. They may have fota top five players in their position. And i think that you know they're going to treat cam like a rental car right because they know. Hang on be there. So they don't care they'll run him into the ground. Run on a tread off the tires and then may be handed over to mac and cheese in the middle of the season or latency disrespectful right young kid and that brings up some totally different. Mac and cheese is like one of the most disrespectful nicknames. And i've heard a long time and this dude things. It's a term of endearment. Like i don't know if somebody told him that he brady pretty much body shaming was the craziest nickname that you've ever had or you've ever causing by heard in a facility. Oh man go one man. 'cause i mean i've heard like you know dancing bear and that's a good one. That's a good one. I'm talking about disrespectful. I i i. i can't think of a district mako. We ought jason brown delicious. See you don't call don't you just don't call it another grow. I'll tell you the other day we call them off the mcquaid. Listen just to go back to the whole quarterback dynamic in new england. I'm not sold on cam. Newton being started starting new england to be honest with you because listen. I think that. I think that mack jones is a better pure passing the cam. Newton is but then cam newton ever was the and also. We're not talking about the two thousand fifteen cam newton. Yeah gal who's the mvp those days are gone. Okay at the end of the day in this lee. You still got to be people which your arm from in the pocket. The nba accurate from the pocket. And i think that's where mack jones is going to separate himself from cam. And i think this team that's been a symbol where this through free agency goss optin back in. This is a great situation for rookie quarterback. Because they're gonna they're gonna be really good on defense they got a top-flight office line. They brought in two tight ends to wide receivers. So it's not going to be all on the rookie quarterback if he comes in but i think he's a better pure passer than cam newton and i think so projecting it long term if i'm if i'm the patriots and it's remotely close. I'm going with the rookie. I'm throwing a rookie out there. And we're i'm not looking back is user friendly. How does this team in his roster quickly. I get to a break you know. How close this roster to the one. That tom brady inherited when he was a young quarterback. When you won the super bowl yes listen i think the i think I will say is kind of It's kinda similar from the standpoint of defense gonna be really good. You know early on in tom. Brady's tenure we were defensive team. We weren't necessarily you know driven by often were driven by defense and we can run the ball. And that's where i think the patriots gonna be. How about you throw in medicine balls over here at our guy de would medicine ball on jalen. Zubin continues after this sweet. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. Fortunately geico makes it easy to bundle your home and car insurance. It's a good thing too. Because having a home is hard work go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Geico dot com easy.

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Hour 3 : Olympic Halt?

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Smell somebody else's apologizing for today's show where the last year that you've worked your that you haven't talked into the microphone we'll blah. Mike has had a case of toll. Since i've been on the show. I can't smell somebody else. Bad breath i don't know who it is ain't call her by al qaeda. But you know what i'm saying now. We good is with fresh here. We now i don't remember. My beer are particles on desma words. A little disgusting. I saw some bronco alenia broccoli. And i can't be. I can't get with this disgusting. Okay anyways a bart scott and shake cornet with good breath. Down with the microphones. Here keyshawn jalen zubin presented by progressive insurance. You could save big when you bundle your home auto motorcycle. Rv or visit progressive dot com. Okay the giants part of the nfc east and part of the nfc is actually reporting the training camp this week. That would be the dallas cowboys and the pittsburgh steelers. They're part of the hall of fame game but cowboys part of that. Nfc east and yesterday saquon. Barkley gave an update on his health. He was asked. Will he be ready for training camp and or week one of the nfl season. And here's what he had to say. Take a listen. We'll see day by day with whenever i'm able to get out there. Not just for sapien healthy myself. I will need all right. So basically we'll see was the answer to will he be ready to go. And so this opens a lot of question marks for saquon barkley who i think. We can agree no matter what they've done in the drafter and free agency or how much better daniel jones get looked saquon. Barkley is the best offensive player on that giant squad if he returns to what he was at least his rookie year And so does it concern you at all this. we'll see. we're not sure if he's ready to go. I do want to point out though. If you follow saquon on social media he is showing you those workouts and he looks all very prepared for the of the season now. I'm obviously not a former football player. You are so you can speak better to this. Well i see his quiet confidence. And there's one of those. I don't wanna put any bulletin board material out there. Remember jobs where he comes from right. Humble-pie let's not let opponents know what we're thinking. I think he is a quiet confidence. That happened early in the season week too. I think that's more than enough time as you look at it. You think about week to that. What's that almost eleven or ten months of rehab use. It takes about eight. You know it's gonna take a little while for him to trusted right. That's usually what you here. We talk about coming back from that type of injury being able to cut being able to stick that foot in the ground and be able to apply pressure. You know lean against something you have to drive. You have to fight for a couple of yards. That's what makes it so much more difficult for running back because he's reacting to what happened front of him but you know the giants season arrest on sacred barclays legs. Because you have to make this team two dimensional not one dimensional men to one dimensional. And it's surprising that keith. All that he catches the ball well because he does and he showed that off the bat. That was one of the best things he did as a rookie as he will has seven hundred yards receiving his rookie year and understand. I love my players on that one year proven type of deal right because remember. Joe judge may admire saquon. Barkley even love the way he is and he listened. He's a face of a franchise when you want somebody to represent you and be outstanding talk about class. Personify that saquon barkley. He says all the right things he does all the right things. But he's at a position which you don't have to spend a first round draft pick on to get productivity when you think about chubb you think about alvin kamara. You think about all the great running backs in league. Most of them have come in the rounds. They didn't have a one in front of it But he's the engine that's going to have to push his team forward. And i i just can't wait to see how he's going to perform because the pressures on and i think pressure bus pipes but pressure also makes diamonds and i believe they're sake wants more but diamond his for as a burst pipe. Yeah and so him. Being healthy though is is critical to this giants team success. It doesn't matter what they did in the offseason and just to add a few names here that we didn't see on this giants roster last year. Let me lift some offer. You dorie jackson kenny. Golladay kyle rudolph leonard williams. They drafted as these like. They've got some playmakers now. Both sides of the ball but the thing is in terms of saquon barkley and what he can do this year you have to remember. There's an added game to the schedule. This is a seventeen game played. It's not a sixteen game slate. Sophie doesn't feel a hundred percent. The preseason forget training camp if he doesn't feel hundred percent heading into week one who by the way they faced the denver broncos at home let us let them rest put him on. Snap count. Whatever it is. You don't want to rush what you're calling the face of their franchise it i i. I agree with that like back to any sort of situation that he doesn't feel comfortable with daniel. Jones also needs to take a step forward this year for the giants. I mean that goes without saying right like he's limited turnovers a little bit last year and obviously you saw some games where he took some step forward but this needs to be where he solidified as the franchise starting quarterback going forward for the long haul and so now in talking about saquon barkley. How much of daniel. Jones success is predicated on saquon. Barkley coming back fully healthy. I mean it's totally right. Because what happens is when you put it in in danny dimes hands you. You don't have a strong running game and you can't manipulate the eyes of the safeties or the linebacker so they're gonna have tremendous depth because they're saying hey we can react to the run second because we believe that they can't run the ball well against the weekend win our one on one match up to the front so then now you have colds windows but when you have a guy that's running the ball well like you all the time but ryan tannehill like how many. How often does he stick to the ball in the belly of of their carry. Pull it out. And it's just huge voids in zones because linebackers and safeties has taken steps forward and not get that ten to fifteen yards depth that they need to sit in those windows so it's imperative that they're able to run the football just to take a little pressure not only off of of danny danon durham's but also from the elect daniel jones but also of that office line lie is a work in progress. I see what happens when they met. I feel like every year though for the giants offensive line is. I feel like this is raising. Repeat a little date but they have invested right. They've invested heavily right. And you would think that thomas is going to be a little bit better. Nate soldier who opted out last year because cova health issues will be coming back. He took a pay cut. And you'd think with all the weapons that they have and if their ability to run the ball. What concerns me is. I believe that they need to go out. And we have the secondary free agent market happens once some good players that may get cut out there like you know first second week in training camp because of the draft picks showing promise they need to get another bona fide star there so that they can take some work low office saquon barkley at least early also he can peak knowing the right time you talk about the additional game but also you want to be able to limit his miles and let him get confident doing that right because if he doesn't have confidence he's not he's afraid to stick that foot in the ground then in gaza going to become an atom and cut in his legs right. That's just what we do is not that we're trying to be dirty that we know that that's something that's concerning to him so he's gonna be hesitant because guys won't be diving in his legs. It's to take them a couple of games. Start feeling confident. Okay here's what. I know the nfc east last two seasons. That's just last year has been week. Okay the nfc lease and we've gone on and on last year. You had a team sneak into the playoffs in the washington football team the year before that it was the dallas cowboys and neither of these teams had winning records. You know so now this year. It's the it's time for the nfc east to step up and step in a big way like you would assume obviously the giants. We've talked about how they're going to be better there back. The washington. football team should be better now that they have a solidified quarterback and we know how good that defense can be the cowboys. I mean weapons all over the place and obviously injuries were an issue. Last year. the defense was an injury issue last year and issues in the locker room or more issues. And so you'd assume that they can. They can play to their full potential. I think the only real question mark at this point. And tell me if you grew me would be the philadelphia eagles against should be better because they're healthier and more stable offensive line and they've brought in some skill players during their reloaded their reloading. There would that like this game this season as establishing a culture in a way of playing football a brand right as you know they have a new new head coach as well and i think it's more about that but they have the ammunition next year to be great. You know we her shefty say the team. That's invest position. Maybe to for to shawn watson. We don't know what his future is this year. But if they're able to make that trade this year and give up asset for next year and half of them in the building and everything works out. He's able to get back on the football fill. Then now they have arguably one of the best. Mo- most dynamic quarterbacks under twenty seven and league jalen hurts. Just let's see what he can do as he's walking the mall he's going old. Sparky is getting right with jesus angle. Okay the question. I was going to get to i. We laid it out for all. These teams is this going to be the weakest division in football for a third year in a row at all. Not at all. If you look at listen people. Forget like tyler heineke. Whoever was at quarterback they gave tampa everything that they can hand. I know chase time. Rayner heineke surprised a lot of people in that game. I mean he was scrub right and the thing is that was a tight game now if you at a guy with the football acumen is tragic or magic. Whichever way you lane listen. He's a god is gonna get some wins. He's going to put them in the right position. And this defense is only going to get better. And i love jamie and david is because if anyone holes in that in that defense it was at the second level having linebacker. That complained space linebacker. That can maybe defense. Somebody's athletic tight ends. So they're more complete team on the defensive side of the ball. Riverboat ryan is going to be able to have another year to establish that culture. We know he's a guy that always tasmanian punching above their weight class. And i think this washington team was going to be dynamic. I mean because they have arguably four guys that have double digit sacks. We relax team close to that. Was my two thousand six baltimore ravens up saying that has sixty sacks on the season you know that has been done and they have all the ingredients to do that. Same thing. it'd be that dominant defense when you have a dominant defense like that. You know everything you get from the offensive side of ball is a-plus okay. So i'm looking at the breakdown of each division right now and i was of while you're speaking going through each division china sea which i thought maybe would be the weakest and quickly like i honestly outside the bucks. I don't know about the nfc south like the saying. You don't know what they're going to be without drew. Brees the falcons completely unsure and then the carolina panthers. Yeah they've got the pieces in place now. We don't know what's going to happen with. Sam gonna look like as a starting quarterback with the regime and new playbook north. What are they going to be if you. If you don't have jerry often in kirk cousins. I mean mr see mine is your debris like he's he's like just a pistol in the c. I almost see north. But i felt like i couldn't be a bears. Fan of just felt wrong ways. Keyshawn jalen zubin presented by progressive insurance. Progressive makes bundling easy and affordable. Get a multi policy discount by combining your car home motorcycle commercial auto an more all your protection in one place bundle and save at progressive dot com. Dj anybody going down tonight. Game six of the nba finals between the milwaukee bucks and the phoenix suns and now the series shifts to milwaukee jay williams co host of keyshawn. Jalen zubin the show. You are listening right now that Shade corn hatton. Bart scott are filling in for joins us right. Now on the goodyear hotline. Brought to you by good. You're helping you discover the road ahead. Goodyear more driven first of all more driven. Rather good morning. Jay williams before we get to any of this about the nba finals. How are you feeling what's up shaking. Bake i laugh. What's going on. I got two of my favorite people right now in studio together and i'm mad because i'm stuck at a hotel and i can't be there with you so i just you know thanks for holding it down you guys are killing like always and say i see the summertime swag the summertime sweat ends up trying post baby outfits are hard to come by real quick. I just want to know if you look out your hotel room. Can you see the deer district. Can you see what's happening around you or now. I really can't see anything right now. Share i gotta be honest with you. I'm starting to go a little bit. Stir crazy. I found myself playing games with my daughter yesterday. called Bark like bark like a mouse. I don't know what i hear. Played that game yeah. I don't know it doesn't make sense game. My two and a half year daughter made up so yeah running around my hotel room in my underwear barking. Like a mouse. Yeah these are the games you play when you're on quarantine your kid and definitely a new york mouse steps. All j will joining us right now. Here on jay z. On the goodyear hotline. Okay so tonight. It's game six sons obviously want to force a game seven. But they're going to have to do it in milwaukee. So what's it gonna take for that to happen for. The phoenix suns tonight jay. Well first off i mean. We need c. p. Three like you know the the sun's me. Cpi three it feels like the last game that you know the aura. He's had on the court Just hasn't been the same but that's not a reflection of cpi three scoring thirty points. I mean obviously that would be nice in sons would love that but sometimes you guys notice. There's a presence that people have either on the field or on the court where he just feel like they're involved in each and every possession and they make plays when it matters and devon booker obviously has been spectacular last couple of games You know they need to get mckell. Bridges jay crowder going. Obviously all the answer. Larry pieces but you need. Cpi three to be the point. God that he's been leading up into the nba finals. Not the guy that you've seen the past game. So i would say that first and foremost and also you know. Look the one thing to do. They need to get everybody involved and they need to make sure that the pace of the game is faster because when the pace slows down. That's when the bucks able to dominate you on the boards that they like a sixty eight to thirty two offense of rebounding advantage in the series thus far so with their sides with their lanes when the bucks can crash the boards In the pace of the game is a little bit slower. that's what his sounds really struggle jay z. That's why i've been saying that. I believe that you know. We have to see more cameron payne right. Because he's the guy that can push pace we have to put. I believe c. P. three on some type of minutes restrictions so that he can finish and close out the games and may be close out the quarters right. Close out the half. Close out the quarters but sometimes you gotta get some of these fresh legs out there. Because i think it's about over attrition. What we're witnessing is a thirty four year old Basketball player that has maybe a lot of miles on his body and he just. He's doing the best he can. He's got them to this point now. They have to get him past the finish line. Well bar here's issue with cb three right being thirty six years old. It's nobody else in our team to really create so you know mckell. Bridges had twenty. He was averaging twenty nine points the first two games because the pace of the game was faster and lead to more opportunities in transition for him to get wide open knocked down threes or do things off the dribble when they're closing out on the fly but what happens. Is you get deeper and deeper into the playoffs. When the pace of the game slows down when you look at the construction of the roster for two sons who went. That team can really create buckets for themselves or other people. It comes down to devon booker and p. three. That's really it so when devon's trying to do is thing that's great but you also need them ahead at full octane. And and that you need see b three to create growth if you can do it to an extent but camps on as lethal cpa threes. I'm sorry did the. We underestimate the impact and the value in this series. A one thousand percent. Just cause. I mean look you know. Sars is a guy that can knock down three. You can utilize them and pick and pop. And he's got us another big body to bangui brook lopez and bobby portis. I'm occurred anybody. Says that's six more files that you can utilize now when whenever the andre and is it out of the game like you're trying to go small ball or you're trying to bring frank kaminsky and i love frank kaminsky right like i spent time with ben breast before who play wisconsin a. He's he's a talented guy but he's not on. The same page is brook. Lopez and bobby portis in those So yeah losing charge really hurts and also i'll tell you this man like the one thing i loved about jaanus is that he doesn't need to be friends with everybody. We got into so many debates about how come people don't tweet about jaanus or other all star players. Don't talk about janas. The one thing. I've seen from him as he did it. His way breaks natura. I did in my way. It doesn't matter. I don't need to work out with lebron james and off season. I can deny that. I can turn that offer down not disrespectful. They respectfully. I don't need to go out and recruit other players. I don't need to you know how other players recruit me if you wanna be on my team. If you wanna come the milwaukee if you wanna spend time and part of our culture where can always deflect and i can talk about what our team is doing and what we need to do. And if i focus on the past i'm being selfish focused on the future. Forced me to be president like these are all reasons why i think i'm becoming a bigger and bigger fan of the way janas has gone about his business. Doesn't care about what you think about him. Just wants a win championships. His way i couldn't agree more. I feel like throughout the series. I mean i was already on his fan. But i've become more and more of a fan. Well i don't know if it's the moments or the things we're seeing on social media or the week here. He's himself. But i agree with that sentiment. Talking to jay williams right now co host of keyshawn will do which is show. You're listening to or watching i'm shake. He's got filling in for the guys this morning jay. We'll joining us on the goodyear hotline. All right i want to play you some sound here real quick. Jay will of devon booker yesterday on the jump and he was asked a question about the comparison between him and kobe bryant. And i want you to react to his sound. Here take a listen. I didn't make that comparison myself. And i just leave it at what he's done for me as a mentor and advice that he's left with you know so i've tried to take bits and pieces of italian approach. But you know i should never be compared to kobe. Bryant so devon booker. His rookie year was kobe's final year. So he he was. You know didn't necessarily always share court but did at one point. And so i just want to know your reaction to what he had to say about that. Comparison j. will things shave first off. Wow what a first class toss to sound. I mean that was impressive. Sustained right to it bart. Sometimes you don't appreciate greatness until it's gone shea his greatness i'm just saying number two I agree with him. When this whole thing started to go down i was like what are we doing. What are i mean we can say and we we. We get a ton on the nba draft. When i hear guys start doing comparisons. And i'm like don't say he is this player. Say that he has shades of this player or say if i were to combine two players and certain attributes of these players are i would say that hey he has remnants of this player remnants of that player. Don't say he's the next. I think that's a disservice to legend the greatness that kobe bryant brought to the table. And i love that devon booker. I've seen devon booker from the time. He's been fourteen years old. I play pick up with devon booker when he was part of the elite twenty four game which is a an under armour game all american game when he was like fourteen fifteen sixteen years old. He was very talented and he has remnants shades of kobe bryant. With the way you can attack within that moraine game and his moves. Remind you kobe bryant. 'cause obviously he studied it. But just let him be devon booker. Let him get to his first. Nba finals let him win a finals. Mvp or let him win mvp. I hate when we put so much added on pressure onto young star players because all of a sudden we wanna tell them who they're going to be. And i i hate like don't compare me to isaiah. Thomas talents with my all time favorite players. But damn i'm out here. Trying to be the next jay williams or i'm trying to be the next devon booker or p. Three so i am happy. He answered it that way because that puts more respect on kobe. Bryant thing and actually for me that puts more respect on devon booker's name that he's trying to be the next d. book not kobe bryant. Also kobe's got five rings like exactly personify right because we were comparing like lebron to magic or jordan. We always looking for a cop. And that's just something where people try and explain what the expectations are. The player is just signals that he's arrived because last year. We wouldn't be saying that because he was out there and he didn't have an opportunity to perform a big stage and because he's performing at such a high level on the big stage. Now we have to try and find a cop because this is what we do as a society. But i'll tell you wedge ways. Do you believe that you know going to game seven. They should may be Bring out the hacker. Janas not allow him to get started and let them get on the free online. I mean there's some that. Have your monty williams. You definitely thinking about it. I mean Look at the free throws have been a little bit better honest but you know my thing is but once again though bar i think. That's that's a tactic that you have to really deploy in the fourth right. I think you know when when games get close. I'm surprised they haven't done that before. Because like that's the one thing that you would say when we talked about this even with shock and certain players are so dominant when when the games a little bit faster whenever the divorce. Honest is at his best. When are knocked down shots because it opens up the whole kind of paying for him to start doing this thing but if we do get down to the fourth quarter i will be shocked especially in game six when the sons are in desperate. Need of a win. If you wanna make honest onto the coupe will prove it. That he is the player that we all expect them to be. The you put his tail on the free. Throw line down the stretch and you say hey nor for the next nine or ten possessions. We're not gonna let. Chris middleton get going. He's been going for the last three games. We we're not gonna let drew how they get going and transition. And i know he's a great player. We're gonna put jaanus on the free throw line and we're gonna find out. Possessions will become empty for two bucks or not so. That is one hell of a tactic. And i think that's i think monti's been keeping that underneath his sleeve this whole time for a game. Six game seven potential interesting. I jay williams. We'll see what happens tonight. Game six in milwaukee bucks and it sons and he's jay williams recovering in a hotel room. So i'll be here shea. i'll be here. i'll i'll see you tomorrow. I'm not going anywhere. i'm locked in the hold it down for you j. We both less. Don't be a stranger bake. I talk to you later. Cj well thanks for the time it all right. We got more coming up next by one. Analyst said hard knocks is actually an oxymoron. For america's team will hear that next year on c. n. Espn radio espn news on tv. 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That's twenty percent off at g. R. a. m. m. a. r. l. y. Dot com slash. Podcast sportscenter the nba finals game. Six tonight after winning three consecutive games. The milwaukee bucks take a three two series lead against the phoenix suns in game six of the nba finals tonight on abc and on espn radio coverage begins at eight pm eastern on espn radio the buffs are one win away from winning their first title in fifty years. Milwaukee is the fourth team in finals. History go down to oh and win the next three games. The two thousand six eight and the nineteen seventy seven trailblazer trailblazers went on to win the title in those seasons. Yana states kumo is averaged. Thirty two point two points per game the first five career finals games. Only rick berry. Alan iverson and dwayne wade average more team. Usa guard. zach. Levine has been put health and safety protocols and did not travel to tokyo. Usa basketball said in a statement that it hoped levin. We'll be able to join the team in japan later this week. He is the third player to be affected in the past week is bradley beal to leave the team. Because of the protocols in jeremy grant was in contact tracing quarantine for four days levine started team as as last two exhibition games. By the way those were both ws and he averaged ten point three points per game in all four exhibition games. So far nashville predators prospect luke pro cop becomes the first active player under contract in the nhl to come out as gay pro. Cop made the announcement on social media and said he made the decision to come out in april when he returned from cowdery after a season ended because of cova nineteen pro cop was selected in the third round of the two thousand twenty nhl draft by the predators and signed a three year entry level contract with an with nashville rather in december pro crop. Played last season for calgary. Hitmen of the western hockey leave. Sportscenter is brought to you by straight. Talk wireless be your own hotspot with st talks. Ultimate unlimited plan. Get ten gigs of hot spot. Data for just fifty five bucks a month all on america's largest most dependable networks. Straight talk wireless no contract. No compromise compatible device required straighttalk dot com. He hoped feiger today about. I seem like sitting on the out of his chair. Waiting for track is going to drop. It gets excited. Every single time keyshawn jalen zubin presented by progressive insurance guests. Join us on. The goodyear hotline. I'm shay cornet. He's bart scott. We're hanging out with you on a tuesday morning and we are going to get to the cowboys here in just a few minutes because the cowboys begin training camp later this week as do the pittsburgh steelers. They're in the hall of fame game First game of the season and so they do begin training camp but we do have a little bit of news breaking news rather to share. The head of the organizing committee for the tokyo olympics said today that he is not ruling out a last-minute cancellation of the global sporting showpiece amid rising corona virus cases. That have presented organizers with mounting challenges. He was acid a news conference. If the games which are due to open on. Friday might still be cancelled into shiro. Muto said he would keep an eye on infection. Numbers and hold. Discussions with organizers if necessary this quote from him we cannot predict what will happen with the number of corona virus corona virus cases so we will continue discussions if there's a spike in cases. We've agreed that based on the corona virus situation we will convene five-party talks again at this point. The corona virus cases may rise or fall. So we will think about what we should do when the situation arises. I wanna point out that we know this by now. I assume that that cases of cove in nineteen are going up in tokyo in japan The postpone These games were postponed last year. Obviously because of the pandemic they will be held without spectators. No matter what japan this month decided that participants would compete in empty venues to minimize the risk of further infection. So this is a problem. Yes this is a really big problem. That amount amount this we're talking about athletes train their butts off for four years and waited a year and still continue to do that. Also you know they're taking every measure that you can think of. And the i. I wonder how much it is is to intermingling of people from different places and not really knowing and not you know they would almost have to put the entire games in a bubble. And that's impossible to do you think about the mass numbers they're already. I saw some reports that they had cardboard based because they want only one person to be able to be on a bad. Because you don't want people like meeting each other and things like that. I don't know what they what they're gonna do. I mean it seems like we're watching it come to an end and it's only a matter of time because if the numbers that adheres it's here what happens when they compete and what happens is so hard because you have false negatives and false positives and you know it. It's to be a tough thing. And i just think you'll look at what country the money that was invested but also the money is invested from countries to fly over there and all the due-diligence everything that happens from the median. Hotels is tough. Because i'm short. Japan has invested a lot of money in hosting the games. It's so unfortunate. But this whole situation is giving me terrible deja vu like when we start hearing more cases going up i mean. I just read in sports center team. Usa now levin is the third guy let has been removed for health and safety protocols rather like it's just continuing to go down this slippery so what scares me. The most is the fact that you can have some type of mutation of the virus because you have people from different parts of the country says different variants mix with each other making something that can can not only be something has to the athletes that something that can be brought back to create another pandemic in the country. It's not a good situation. But what i do know is we will have fernando palomo. He's our olympics reporter and he is on the ground tokyo already. A lot of these reporters and media personnel have already arrived there because they have to quarantine order to get ready for the games and so he is boots on the ground there and he'll give us the very latest that is coming up later and nine ten eastern so stick around for that okay. hard turn now into training camp for the nfl. And what's going on with the dallas cowboys. Dallas cowboys pittsburgh steelers two teams that will start training camp on thursday. The rest of the league begins next week and so this has has us looking as to. What's it gonna look like when the cowboys do start training camp and we're gonna get a real close look at it because the cowboys will be featured on hard knocks and this is always an entertaining series for a lot of different reasons football fan or not but before we get into our take on it. You gotta hear stephen. As because this is stephen being stephen a. A and poke in the bear a little bit with the dallas cowboys. And here he is on stephen as world yesterday. Take a listen. A dallas cowboys. Returning as the feature team on the i know sufficiently called hard knocks. I know that but with dallas is on. I call it soft knocks deaths. The room no show about team with a defense that tackles like the one they have down in dallas could be called knox. We're gonna learn all about the cowboys. Plays big name please. It role plays to. We're going to get a lot of jerry jones and steven jones with the cowboys. Going to talk about how optimistic they are that. This season is season l. moors. They're gonna talk about how optimistic they are. That this season is their season. Gotta love stephen a soft knocks not hard knocks the undertow music under their man. I sound like some stuff off macgyver. A heart out for me like i love the music. The undertow from there man. But you know. Stephen a. is the perfect hill right. He is the perfect. He'll to the dallas cowboys and the dallas cowboys are going to figure it out and they're going to get back to where they where we expect them to be. Because of broken clock is right twice a day brooklyn clock is right twice a day. The cowboys got a lot to figure out though. And it started the quarterback position and we're dak prescott is in terms of health And then you can go on down the line. Look there were issues everywhere. I mean health wise offensive. Line quarterback obviously Defensive side of the ball and then obviously you change in changing personnel on the defensive side of the ball yet a first year head coach not first year in terms of being a head coach. I here in dallas Issues in the locker room all of it and so now you gotta hope that all get sorted out in front of a camera. You gotta hope that your your quarterback who now you've paid so that narrative we can finally stop talking about that distraction is over like hopefully he can figure things out and you and look. I say i said this yesterday. I'm gonna say again. Like ezekiel elliott. I don't know if it was mental last year. What was going on with the slippery. Footballs dropping football's or whatever it was that he's got to get right this year too because that that is a big part of the operation. You have a fully loaded receiving core. There were a lot of drop. Football's we may. I say i mean cd lamb in the end zone. Don't like can't happen this year. The mistakes go out the window. I mean it was the perfect storm last year right. They had a defense coordinator that they didn't believe in ezekiel elliott. I believe the fact that he was having a fumble problems because he was trying to do too much have to put the team on his back and when dad when dad went down he wanted to be the leader of the of the offense. You know tyron smith right So he tried to put too much handing a lot of those fumbles was because he was fighting for extra yard. And when you do that you expose the football and you give other people opportunity to come from a far distance to zero in a punched out or a helmet on it. I expect them to be a lot better. But like most teams especially those that have paid their stars. You know when you think about lawrence you think about that now and you think about ezekiel what happens is now you're thin right. You your razor thin and it's all about health right so i think it's more about that but i'm not concerned understand that stephen is call him soft knocks but attitude reflect leadership right attitude reflect leadership on a defensive side of the ball. They got a guy in dan. Quinn the has to right leadership which means this is going to have the right attitude right. Run into the ball a standard of excellence right. Because he's done it. He asked that type of respect when he walks in the locker room. Everybody that's in that defense rooms going to respect them and when you look at it i look in front personnel standpoint. I'm excited about what. They pretend can beat now they gotta put it together. But you look at lauren's right. You look at randy. Gregory the renegade. Keep his hisself clean. Now you have to elite pass rusher so i think that they're good. When you think about getting pressure on the quarterback and at the second level you can make the argument that at the second level from a linebacker standpoint this is the most talented linebacker corps and all of the nfl. And i'm understand that the bears have trae bond to ryan survey rathan and they have They have required smith. But i mean if if parson lives up to the hype bandres if he can stay healthy because you always get concerned with that neck in jalen smith can get back to. He was before before the dallas cowboys paid. You have three impact linebackers playing space and are great blizzard. So now you can play the game. Where you don't know who's going to be added into the blitz. They can be interchangeable. So you can't get beat and say this is what they do and this guy's lineup here and there and then trevan digs. I like him. And you a sneaky pig that they pick not very disciplined drive is what they were able to do when they got kelvin. Joseph while felt like delta o.'neil type of cornerback. He's a boma bus but he has all the athletic traits that you look for in a tremendous corner so now they're they're solid on that standpoint and kiana kneel before piano. Neil had the injuries right. He was considered the jamal adams of football. He was the camp tasks to come down with that. Hit stick and he's going to go back into a defensive. He's comfortable with. Because he's been with dan quinn so i had no concern from them. As far as the defensive standpoint it's can can can be elite and put him over the top so the tackles aren't the problem stephen a. It's going to be his death. Can he really can be healthy and he put him over the top. Six winds ain't gonna cut it this year. That's for sure. Not for america's team are the biggest questions heading into the twenty twenty one season. We're going to answer them with dinner. Lousy that's next. We'll play fo or fo real after bart has this from indeed foul. I ain't even had. 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This is keyshawn jalen zubin presented by progressive insurance guests. Join us on the goodyear hotline. My name is shay. Cornyn bart scott are hanging out filling in for the guys calling ourselves shake and bake because it's just more fun really truthfully anyways but we get a third member to come on in right now. that'd be dan geer. Espn football analysts. Good morning dan. You got a nice tan. Going work in the summer rented to talk. I appreciate you calling it a tan. I appreciate the call we all know. It's not. It's a sunburn sunburn. But thank you for me early in the morning. This left chess with some aloe may look like paul orndorff over there so under mr wonderful. No no no no it's bts bts and man just let it go let it go all right. We're going to let it go and play a little game of fo or fo real here. The rules mr dan orlovsky and bart scott our producer of it is going to throw a statement at us and you're gonna say if that's fo meaning fake or of its full real as a true like it's going to go down. It's going to happen. And so evan the floor is yours. Talk with a bonus one that give you guys because this just in Remember we mentioned alex. Guerrero was on. Adam schefter podcast. He told adam schefter he believes. Tom brady will play another two years in the league. So or full real. Tom brady plays another two years in the nfl. Dan will let you go. I thought real. And i'm while it's happening. I'm going to be like four real dude like you're playing again for nine super bowl. Tom brady fifty touchdowns last year. Fifty with the torn mc l. I don't think he slowing down at any point. This offensive line remains intact. The young skill positions that they have will remain intact. They've drafted really well. Since they've kept this organization coaching wise together. Tom brady will play at least another two years. Bart you know what i'm saying. I got to change. The rules forgery. Okay so real. I believe that he's gonna play because listen deal. He's playing from shoulders right. He's like master. Yoda right now. he's mastered how to use as least amount of but still be effective right. You think about the football acumen for most of the people that he's playing he seen. Everything's nothing you can throw at him. So he's still going to a at a at a high level but i i disagree with dan just a little when i say that he's going to be playing for nineteen super bowl because it's a team out there in ninety nine well ninety nine one thousand nine season. It's team it's a team out there in los angeles. That has matthew stafford. He's gonna show everybody off batman that he all right. I'm with you on that. I wanna say full real as well and like if you're saying. Are you really watching like you really think this is going to stop playing ball. Max kellerman only score super bowl. I get the second one. Yes speaking of quarterbacks. Burn mike tantamount tim tebow will be on the jaguars gay roster asking sarajevo real and that's a change of heart from three four months ago. I think a couple of reasons. Why like urban. Meyer was notorious for a lot of things in college but stressing defense was the most important thing or most obvious one and i think tim tebow guy that's going to stress. Defense is a little bit. They don't have a ton of tight ends. I don't know if he'll play traditional tied and then all of a tight ends. They took luke ohio state. But i just know that. Urban wants to stress defenses. He invented the rpo for for offense and football. And so i just see tim being like a piece for him in a bunch of different ways and while i still have the same reaction like for real tim tebow playing tight end in the nfl. I think he's gonna make their roster quickly love that so real. So i'm gonna go for real for show because urban meyer. He's loyal to a fault right. And he's extremely loyal. You saw with his strength coach. And he's gonna be loyal to tim tebow and i think he's going to try and use them as utilize them as a h back but also as a gadget guy and i think it's going to be the worst thing that ever happened to lawrence because he's going to be taking in and out of games 'cause they're going to try and get to cute and you know they're going to outsmart themselves. Y'all are trip. This is if there was a faux tim. Tvos not going to be on the opening. Juergen you be there to be a player coach and a player coach only in instill culture. There's no way rows and rows. He's going to be playing because player. Fifty three no way. We only time for one left. We only got a minute left here so quickly. We got all right. There's a good one. The packers reporting a week. But i wanna know week one jordan. Love starts for the packers quarterback week one. Dan faux or for real for real. I don't see aaron rodgers missing this whole season. I don't see any way. Aaron rodgers played seventeen games for the green bay packers. And that's kind of you know two things on one side. I just don't see how he comes back. I'm the week one started. I think jordan love is going to start week one. I would not be surprised if he started a long time of games for the packers this year. Powerful real. tho- come on man you're killing me pitas. No way. they're going to go with joy. Love they he's gonna get out there in the second preseason game and he's gonna throw me in that they're going to be calling and begging. Please please uncle rise please. Iran comeback save us to like. I just can't live in a world. Where aaron rodgers is starting for any team let alone the green bay packers week one. I can't even let my mind go there. So i am going to say so fo- when it comes to this all right. That's all we got time for dinner. 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Hour 2: A Contract Extension for Nick Chubb

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Hour 2: A Contract Extension for Nick Chubb

"Gatorade knows there are many paths to greatness. And how you get. There is up to you sometimes. You gotta grind it out to get up early and put in the work even if you're not feeling one hundred sometimes. It's staying focused on the goal knowing where you want to be and that you'll have to pour everything in to get their other times. You just need to dig deep and some guts to be brave and never let anything stand in the way of what you can accomplish. Then there are days. You just have to get into jim and see some games to put an all the reps and get stronger each day but whatever path you take greatness. Gatorade is there to help you. Fueled journey because greatness starts with g. g. sante in zubin podcast. I'll take nick tubby. Take their can read every day of the week. I mean what. He's a what he's listen. Ethnic chubb had as many touches as their carry. He would be the the russian champ. I mean you talk about. I mean this guy. Average is five point six yards. Carry dare dare here. He gets a lot of attempts right. You know and. I think that people load the box up against trump and i liked the fact that hit macrame honking be complementary tell because he keeps it carries down right because they go running back by committee that means to me nick shrubs going to have a long shelf life so the fact that they're able to give him an extension i think he's right on tax. You wanna reward one of your best players and it's not something that's gonna hurt you too because you were going to have to pay him you know at the next year because he wasn't a first round draft pick so you only have its rights for four years you a year early. Twelve twelve million annually. Prorate that because it's an extension and it's probably only hit you like ten before you have to pay baker and all the other guys you gotta pay nick shrubs. Well so i think listen. Cleveland finally starting to do some things right yes. They are keyshawn. Jalen zubin presented by progressive insurance. Guests is a striking brain. That's what we're calling shade. Cornet and scott bart filling in for the guys this morning. Yeah we're talking about nick signing that contract extension. It's a three year deal. Thirty six point six million dollars extension and includes twenty million dollars guaranteed but the question is why sign. Nick chubb before baker mayfield. We're going to get into that in a second. I just wanna point this out chub first player in nfl history to average at least five yards per carry in each of his first three seasons. So he's doing something right in terms of what this deal means for. The cleveland browns. Well let's hear from field yates. Espn nfl insider. On why this. Nick chubb deal is good for both the browns inch up. I am typically not necessarily the biggest proponent of paying back at the top of the market there is some value here in the fact that it's a three year contract where you do expect the for the next four seasons two thousand twenty one included. Nick chubb should be at or near the top of the running back class. Amongst the best includes the christian mccaffrey and the dalvin cooks and derrick henry and those types of players so i actually think it's a reasonable deal on both sides. Okay so we know how you feel about nick travel. You think he's the best running back the league. I'll take him like. I'll take him behind. Eric henry and that's fine i can. I can die on that sword but the question here now becomes about the quarterback. And why did they pay their running back before. They decided to extend in pay their quarterback. Mike tannenbaum used to make a big deal about the cowboys. Perhaps sending a weird message by paying ezekiel elliott before they pay dak prescott and we know how this turned out they tag prescott and then they ended up paying for it later on by giving him a big contract that we saw this off season i guess the difference there is that baker had a fifth year option with the browns obviously picked up and acted not nonetheless. Does this send some sort of message to the cleveland browns. Or to the cleveland fans in terms of having to pay your running back before your quarterback is saying. Hey we're going to sign are good elite players young. We're going to tie them up and look. How smart is nick shove. Twenty five years old. This puts them on a contract to twenty nine thirty. That's when run back fall off the cliff so you wanna try and pay him now reward him now because if you pay him out the words then that takes them to thirty and then you know or or he might have won a little bit more money or something like that or you have to fight for them and you have to pay more. Because what will the twenty six nick up getting the market. You'd look at what the high running backs are making zero. l. is making fifteen million dollars years christian. Mccaffrey is making fifteen million dollars a year. you get nick trump who's younger injustices productive for twelve million dollars year. That's that that is a discount. We all anticipate that the salary cap going to be going up next year so you sign him early underneath these rules knowing. That guys are gonna get crazy contracts next year. That's why juju smith schuster you know. Why would you go back for less money when when the ravens were off type of money because the market next year in the salaries for next year is going to go up exponentially see. I've got some college words. I wrote that down for exponentially. Yes chubb is a key. Part of the rounds. What they do. Let's just when they started utilizing the run. The browns and baker mayfield is when they started winning football games. I mean this is not rocket science. Anyone chubb also rushed for a total of one thousand five hundred seventy eight yards after context twenty eighteen that trails only derrick henry zeke elliott so he's amongst the elite. Let's just call it. What is what is what he okay. Whatever he steely. And so i think baker mayfield would tell you this too like when he started utilizing the run and perhaps going run then pass is when the browns became successful and when he became a better quarterback but now you have odell beckham junior coming back into the fold and so does that make a difference for baker mayfield. Can he still go run. I passed second. You don't give them the option right you. Don't give them the option unless team the load in box so much that you have no choice but to audible and check to listen the reason why they haven't gabe baker mayfield the contract because they don't really believe in him To the fact where they don't they. I don't think they think that he's on the josh allen level. They don't think he's on a russell wilson level perhaps he's more on the carson wentz level where he has one good year and then we don't know what's going to happen after exactly. I mean listen. He's a guy that's unproven. he's going to. He has a lot to prove this year. Because he's a he's not a lamar jackson he hasn't won. Mvp where people deemed or his peers thought that he was the best player in all of the nfl. He's a guy that has to of everything right so like what happens is gonna pay a quarterback. I mean he got two great tackles right to great tidings to great receivers and then he has probably one of the best you know centers in the game so i mean it took all of that for baker to kind of be unleashed for them to be able to compete. But you know when you pay him that type of money you have to say tanenbaum used to say this all the time and also ozzie. Newsome like okay. You want to get paid more money. Which one your teammates you wanna cut. Because that's what happens right. And that's and that's what you have to realize baker mayfield. And that's russell. Wilson realized right but he got paid his money because he was he was under contract and they had him on a rookie deal. They got him for discount because he was wasn't the first or second round draft pick. It costs him to leave a boom but russell wilson proved that he can carry the team without those pieces. Because now you have to be more than one player. Because you've got to replace a. You're not gonna have a lead players at every position right now. And that's the beauty of having a rookie deal while you want to win the championship on a rookie deal. Because it gets so much harder a gives you know you'll batting. Percents has to be a lot better as a general manager. When you pay your quarterback because you can't miss because if you miss you you're going to have more holes in your rosser. Hello tom brady. This is what. Tom brady has done year after year. Taking discount so that he can have his players around him have more money and have more talent around and they gave them to kill in a game sunny marcel when they could have had nick tub well. And that's what you spend my money. I think that's partially the reason why he went to tampa bay was because he was taking a discount every year to have a stable offensive line. Weapons around them and then the last year new england. He's like lincoln my pay discount for championship albertine but nonetheless. This is something that now has been practiced by the best in the nfl and maybe baker mayfield is realizing that. But i think utilizing the run. Nick job which is why they extended him would be who baker mayfield so then now this asked. The question wins going to get a contract. Let's let's talk about the class that he's in okay. He's amongst him josh allen. Lamar jackson sam. Darnold josh rosen. We can talk about on another day and so of those three and we can dive deeper into this a little bit later but of those three quickly off the top of your head. Who do you think's gets the contract. Extension i alan jackson mayfield. Allen is a no brainer right. he hasn't yet but they'll figure it out right. And i think he'll be patient right because from allen standpoint. He's a guy that he he believes that they took a chance on him because he fell right. Lamar jackson as well but marred. What makes lamar so complicated is so much his assessment predicated on his legs. And you know that that train is never late all it takes us one. Devastating injury like rg three and then does that. Alter the way that the marge could be dominant. That's why this is important. Year for lamar jackson with sammy watkins. And if you've been watching you know ravens camp you saw him and bateman looks like they're going to be a one two punch. That's going to be something that has to be dealt with at the marlin humphries which isn't an easy thing in their stadium practice. Oh lamar jackson. I'll go on josh allen. Lamarcus pay second in baker. Mayfield is gonna have to take this team much farther than the playoffs. Shot to get his money. I i will disagree all day every day. And i will take lamar jackson easily and people like under asked me his ability to throw the ball among renzo completion numbers. Lamar jackson leads allen and baker. Just don't know what the the issue is. Lamar is do you wanna give him a higher annual year value but shorter deal right because if he has it his lax right because his legs all it takes is one person tackle for aside a boas. Acl he's i mean he's proven to be durable. Okay don't do that. He's in lamar jackson. No i'm just saying like he's proven to be more durable than rg three. And i am an rg three fan. You've got delta wrong deal when he was with washington. But i'm just saying i think. Rg three army. And i'm sorry. I think lamar's proven they're the same but they're saying they're both slightly smaller guys and all it takes. Is somebody coming in diving from the side when you run run. The ball is me. Lamar jackson going to have more carries and more tempt than most running backs. He'll have more run until probably than kareem hunt. You know that just which is insane gives you more opportunities to get injured and use the always happens. You know the more you run the baltimore you put yourself at risk. I wanna give him a shorter deal. Maybe a four year extension where you want to get. Maybe a five year extension with the other guys. He still could get it i. That was my question. Oh it's still get it before the details. I didn't know i was listening. So a up still sleep. Can i get a little nugget about margetts now that i'm on that train on the train. Fourth quarter lamar and drew brees. Where the only qualified quarterbacks to not throw pick in the fourth quarter last season. How about that came off the pot pot to beat. Cleveland aces keyshawn. Jalen and company live from above the heineken river deck at pier seventeen. It's a busy week in all of sports. 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With instant offer from carmax learn more at carmax dot com and get a real offer real fast carmax the way it should be if you had to guess. What time do you think it is in tokyo. I'm gonna go six hours. Because i think hawaii six hours six hours for five hundred six a six hours. No you're wrong. it is eight seventeen. pm like twelve. plus it's thirteen hours ahead. A winnie in his bag that he to go to happy hour turned up this way path. Happy hour until right now. Okay let's go to brian. Windhorst here on kion jalen zubin presented by progressive insurance. We are going to the goodyear hotline right now. Jake cornet and bart scott filling in for the guys this morning. Good morning to you. Wendy are espn nba insider. Let's start with team. Usa shall we since you are there in tokyo. What stood out to you in the second half especially if team. Usa's win over the czech republic on saturday. That was as good of a half his team. Usa has played since the ninety two. Three t- They may twenty one of their first twenty five shots. I'm gonna say that again. Twenty one of their first twenty five shots in the second half. They played shutdown decent. Jrue holiday has just been a demon Defensively and that's important because they're facing some really good guards the rest of the way he is going to be out front on them Kevin durant looked like the kevin durant. We expected and if they play that way. I don't think there's a hot take if they play that way. They will not be touched but they have been inconsistent. And i will point out that in the first half of that same game they up by four points all the czech republic who were were not in their class so It's obviously very encouraging. But i don't think it's something that you can guarantee going for. Not spain next sixteen and to all time again. Spain what do you expect about the The in the next match up you know. They handled spain pretty well. two weeks or three weeks ago i guess it was in las vegas and that was before they imported The guys from the finals to have been big additions especially holiday Spain is sh needs to be respected is dangerous rubio Ricky rubio has been A really good player the highest scores. So far he here in the olympics but if the americans play well the spanish just don't have the firepower they used to. It's an older team. They're relying heavily thirty. Seven thirty eight year old. Marcus solan forty-one-year-old powder salt If they play well. I don't think spanking handle that. You're listening to keyshawn jalen zubin presented by progressive insurance. Brian win is joining us. From japan and his summer games news notes brought to you by california almonds representing your country representing your trivia team almonds are natural fuel for the best. You california almonds own your every day every day. Okay wendy. let's go to what's going on here in the us mba free agency. It starts today and all signs are pointing to the heat. perhaps bringing in kyle lowry. What is the latest that you know of. What's going on in miami free diffuse About half over in fact A lot of deals have already have already are basically in place. So we're going to see a lot of action after six o'clock and it looks like kyle lowry. He had a choice. Really three choices between dallas New orleans and miami ended up here is that he has chosen miami and they've put a deal together to sign and trade in toronto which bales toronto out of the of the decision not to trade him last spring and that is going to send off Ah cavalcade of other moves that come behind it specifically with the point guards I don't expect Chris paul move. I expect he'll get a very large new deal. Done with the phoenix suns. And then you're gonna have other guys having to make Decisions specifically. We're going to be watching a guy. Spencer dinwiddie several different options And you'll start to see things fall into place from there. You know the the i guess. The biggest mystery of all free agency is when or. Where does ben simmons get traded. What do you hear about that. As far as i know they're not close to anything and the type of conversations that they've had have left teams walking away thinking they don't really wanna trade. Ben simmons now They are asking for Pre they're asking for essentially the same type of package that the brooklyn nets got for james harden back in in the winter and benjamin's value. Just isn't there right now. So they're omar is very calculated. I questioned the way. He's going about this because he basically selling One of his best players. We don't want you but he doesn't seem to care about that he must be waiting for something. There must be a series of events or player that comes available. The he's waiting for. We could speculate on that but he is not acting like somebody. Who's seriously interested in trading. Ben simmons i do not think that it will happen in the short term future. He's looking for the same thing. They got james harden with ben simmons We're talking to. Brian renoirs right now. Who's in tokyo for us. Our espn nba insider here on k jay z. This morning okay. Let's touch leonard He declined his contract. But so now what do you expect to happen with kawhi leonard. Well it's very strange. The way quiet operates i. I really can't figure him out and he does a very good job of keeping cars close. So i can't wait to tell you what i think he's gonna do. I mean there's an expectation within the league that he's gonna resign but i'm not going there yet. What i think is strangers him. Opting out of his contract is not really the best financial decisions he could make if he was a hundred percent. Gonna stay with the clippers. He would stay with contract and extend off of that. That financially would be the best decision also if he had done that he would have enabled the clippers to apply for a disabled player exception. Which would have given them a ten million dollar one time except that they could use to sign a player In in free agency that can add to that by a him opting out they lose so that is not him operating in concert with the which makes me wonder what his intentions are. I'm not. I'm not projecting attention. So i'm just saying that. He doesn't seem to be operating in concert with the clippers. So i'm gonna sit back and wait. I do not expect him to have a resolution in the short term here. He did this for a reason. And i'm gonna try to figure out why did that. Good luck with that one. I'll tell you what One an interesting pieces there's Iggo dollar was retained by miami. And i know it's going to be a fight out west to see who can get iggy iggy going back to a reunion with golden state or does lebron convince him to come chase another title guys. Here's the thing. i. I honestly believe that the lakers are going to need to sign. Ken minimum players. What you just heard me minimum players that means that they are going to have to look for guys to take discounts and fill different roles all across the board so any player that you have the you think they could get on the minimum. Whether it's guy like carmelo anthony the way all the way down to a low level shooter who just got released yesterday. Guy named matt thomas. They're gonna be in the game for all guys who they may be able to get for that price because they're not gonna be able to outbid anybody so absolutely they're going to go after andrea with allah What role he may feel whether his country comfort and that's a different question but the lakers with where they are. They've got a hundred and twenty. Three million dollars committed to four players. And i assume that they will resign one or two of their free agents. I don't feel so good about outskirts. Also i think there's a decent chance else so it's going to be. I do feel good about taylor. Horton talker. But they're going to have to really work. Those veteran than unique what allies on that list for sure. Explain this to me wendy. Because i you know. I'm not familiar with a lot of nuance as far as contracts with basketball like a football but when the big three came together and golden state when the big three came together and miami. They all restructure your contracts and then take as much as they could they could. Is it possible for them to restructure the contract lebron or westbrook. You know to be able to to create some more wiggle room. So they don't have to go by you know bottom fishing it is not no contracts are locked in and between the three of them they will make one hundred twenty million dollars this year which is the highest three team players in the history of the game and the salary cap which obviously is a soft cap. It can be exceeded. Almost everybody believes that the salary cap is a hundred and thirteen so they can just those three players. They can't even fill out if they if they had if they had a hard salary cap. They couldn't even stop the starting five. So but that said there are gonna be players. You're gonna wanna come to the lake. So i do believe they're gonna build a very strong team. They're just gonna have to really work to put those to put those guys together just 'cause they don't even have a full starting five right now. Wow interesting stuff. All right wendy from tokyo thank you so much. I know it is late there. Hopefully you can go get some rest. Buddy we'll talk to you soon bomb for the latest on. Tv was saying also on free agency. We'll see you later. Free agency starts five. Am i'll be right right. Like so confused. Timezone he's then see you later. That's brian are sorry. Spn nba insider. He's also the host. Brian horse and the hoop collective podcasts Giving us the latest on free agency all a lot to unpack but in terms of what he just said. Is there something that stood out to you. I mean to me. The lakers having assigned ten minimum guys. That's a big number anything. Wendy said that stood out to you. Think about those ten guys at who those possibilities can be. I think you know devel- mcgee or dwight howard. Maybe having a reunion try and get to rings in his hall of fame career. Here's a god has made a lot of money throughout his career. That's all about saying like he's chasing titles. I felt like he may feel disrespected. That they didn't try and retain them. I think they realized that that was a problem. Because andre drummond wasn't the answer right and also they. They miss not having big man because you can't really rely on the fact that illegal That anthony davis is going to stay healthy the entire time so i think you know you look at magee you look at howard you look at guys like maybe like thorton. They said they're going to have to fix this. This means their margin for errors razor thin razor thin and it sounds like quiet. It's going to stay with the clippers by soil. You never know you never know what he's thinking. That's what i love about. Quite leonard like he just like st louis moves in silence like lasagna. Like very very under the right. Like you never know stephen. Drop the bomb. Senate if dame isn't in portland he would like to come to new york in the fact that new york and and you know maybe in the market for carmelo having a reunion so it's a lot of stuff out there. I think we're gonna samantha's going to the lakers. Yeah i mean you can. You can see that right but you know you never know. I mean dave dame doll comes over here like kawai dane dollar one hook up in in the big apple. You know what i mean. You'll kawais uncle. I remember when he was sneaking in on his uncle's name to the gym. That i belong to him floor park like come on man. You can palm to register so we know we notice albert. There's only one black new walking around with og. Bobby johnson Brave going into the back of that issue. Nba free agency is always an interesting plays as our bart stories which is why we keep them around. You know what i mean. He's john thousand. Quavo bart scott stapler filling for the guys this morning. Guest sudden goodyear highland. You wanna go there. Let's say to people jeff saturday. Good morning to you. My dog analyst. Yes that's what's next on on our rundown i love. I feel bart scott on what we're doing like minute by minute. Even though we've talked about it five times. All right jeff saturday we started show on carson wentz and the fact that he is dealing with some sort of foot injury which. I am. Sure if i am an indianapolis colts fans. I am sweating. What do you anticipate is going to happen with carson. Wentz going forward. You're hoping he gets back either. At the beginning of the season or game one or two the worst thing that could have a colt is this thing kind of linger on into the mid way to the season. Jacob visas going to be taking the lion's share of the started reps again if you thought he was the guy you wouldn't have went and found winch from from a backup quarterback kind of ideal. You want them to play two or three games you go to and one everybody's fired up east done his job. When's comes back in the fold and leads this team. The worst thing that could happen for the colts again. This thing lingers midway through the season then they're kind of stuck in purgatory. Right do you. Do you go find another quarterback or do you ride with sin through half of the season. That's going to be the biggest question for chris. Valor and frank reich to answer because again availability is the greatest ability when you're talking about the. Nfl and wentz has been banged up in his career and obviously starting career in india with his foot injury. You hate to see it. Who do you think is more nervous. Indianapolis or philadelphia knowing that have carson winston seventy five percent of the staff that second round could turn to a first round pick. Yeah you you know you. You want to play. If you're the colts you're like man. We we need him from phillies perspective. They've moved on all. These things are going to play. I play themselves out from the colts perspective again. But you and. I both know you brought this guy in because you believe as a team what philip rivers did listen. They really should beat the bills in the playoffs last year. They had an opportunity to close out. This is a good football team. And chris bowden frank reich. No this they understand how good they've kinda fun under the radar but it's all predicated on carson wentz playing good football and with him missing time again. He has relationship with frank but he doesn't ever relationship with all these receivers with us. Running backs has to get this time. In the best part is it's a foot injury so he can walk out the practice hopefully in a boot or do some stuff you know. He can still throw even sitting down being meetings. Do all that participate but man from the colts perspective. This team that believes they can win. The playoffs and possibly contend for the super bowl again flying totally under the radar. Right now now. We all believe that. Nick foles is the best option right because of this familiarity with understanding the language and frank rights offense but also understanding that they can't get off to a bad start in i. I don't know if you're aware of this. Their first five opponents seattle rams. Nfc dolphins ravens. They end up one in four. You know four games below five hundred at best then this could really put them in danger of losing division to the tennessee. Titans oh absolutely and think about this. Now you just mentioned nick foles think about if you're carson wentz bro you literally law basically lost your job they got a statue of this dude in philly. The last thing you want if you're carson wentz is nick foles anywhere around this conversation like real man like this thing. It could totally crush him. I mean he's. I don't care what anybody says the last guy carson wentz walking home care if he's a friend or not the last guy. You will walk in that building. Is nick foles man. You see what this dude winning the super bowl coming in and replacing you again. Ain't nobody in indy. What nick foles to come in and replace carson wentz again. My gosh man. Like he can't get away from it like i'm hoping they squashed this thing. Just they don't crush winces a confidence already man. Good gracious i see jeff. I i would think you'd go the other way. Because you're familiar with nick foles and you know that he knows his role and that he's not going to constantly be breathing down your neck but i mean you would know better than i suppose. We're talking to jeff saturday. Espn nfl analyst. He's joining us here on jalen. Zubin bart scott shake ornette filling in for the guys this morning. Let's go to another guy you know very well. That would be earn rogers over the weekend. We heard a very different aaron rodgers very much happier. Aaron rodgers addressed the media. And basically say you know what i am one hundred percent all in. Do you believe them absolutely and listen. I believe he's all into go win. The super bowl. I think it was all in last year. Listen when you think about what. Aaron rodgers did actor they drafted jordan goes out and wins an mvp. If if if met leflore doesn't call in the field goal team they have a chance of beaten tampa. Bay buccaneers without david bahktiar. Who's their starting left tackle when you look at this team. They are poised to push the bucks. Like i have the books one a i got. I got the packers. It like one. B they are really close. I think with with randall. Cobb coming in a more rogers who they drafted in the third round slot. I think it helps open up. This offense would davante adams the biggest thing for the packers. They have one more year with aaron rodgers to persuade him to stay. They win the super bowl. Everybody knows most like he's going to stay right. They'll re-signed davante adams. They'll have some guys if they show him the love by helping and bringing his guys in. I think ultimately this relationship can come back together at this point. Though he's one hundred percent all in he knows this is the best opportunity he has to win a super bowl and the packers understand it as well in light of the words of stay me by steve kinds who has the more likely chance of starting this year her menchu or jordan knicks and for the people get know where people out there. That don't know what he said. He basically told jordan hicks. He cannot compete for the starting linebacker job because avian collins is there and simmons the year before where to go way to push young players in front of him. I mean listen. I bought you and i. I never heard this at any coaching level. That i've ever played it and it's like you know peyton manning's pushed for his job right like you know tom but but no coach ever says that right. The beginning of every meaning of every season is nobody's data position. Everybody's gotta go earn it. The he calls them and says hey you got no shot. Like how disheartening is that and again that he came out to the media and said it. How this heartening is that for the rest of the squad like all these dudes. You're sitting around going. Hey man. I got no shot right. I'm just gonna try to stay healthy bounce. Some team where i can start. That is a poor way to design a football team. Like you want all the energy. And you and i both know like we with the other teams. Yeah yeah we. We compete with the other teams on sunday monday through saturday. But we're competing with those guys in our own locker room. That's what makes us better keeping you on the edge of do you keep. Your job cannot earn job. I mean i don't understand the mindset at all and i do think it's disheartening if you're sitting in that locker room you're going minute general managers saying this. What are they saying behind closed doors. When nobody's around it. Just it baffles me. That was ever even said. Hey the theme over the last week in the nfl has been wearing your heart on your sleeve like let it all out. No one saying anything behind closed doors anymore. Rusher all right saturday. I'll fired up this morning on a monday. We appreciate it. Espn nfl analyst. We'll talk to you later. Bye-bye all right we're gonna say in the nfl. Because jerry jones i mean what is he talking about. Jerry jones is calling the dallas cowboys. A david david versus goliath matchup. I couldn't believe it either. And i'll explain it further right here. On k jay z after this with no fees or minimum on checking and savings accounts banking with capital. One is like the easiest decision in the history of decisions kind of like choosing to listen to another episode of your favorite podcast and with our top rated app. You can deposit checks and transfer money anytime anywhere making capital one and even easier decision. That's banking reimagined. What's in your wallet. Terms apply capital one and a member. 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Because as you start to get closer to you know the game to game three. That's when you're starters are going to get evaluated. So i was one of those guys. Saturday was one of those guys. Somebody gotta die today. That's why we literally that's going to their game or somebody gotta die. Like i remember once. I'm playing atlanta falcons. And i was playing with my herald. Fire gupta say what the hell is. Roll bars guy. He's playing like the super bowl. You dan right. I'm trying to get a check. I got one foot on a banana. Peel the door so like you know people who understand like the stories. I'm sure hard knocks cat catholic. They'll find some guy that's on the brink of being cut a guy that's maybe been on the practice squad like listen. I got you know what i'm saying. Know people used to say bad. I got i got a wife with a girlfriend on his girlfriend with wife on the side. You're saying like. I gotta go here. I got bills bills bills bills. So if you're in the way my somebody gotta die. And that's why i love. The fact is what's special teams. Watch the setups. That people are doing and go straight night night. Move because if you like. I'd be like daimyo friday after next was oh gee triple g got that look in your fresh fresh on iraq and unlike it what is wrong with you i just like where do we just go like. We just wait one hundred directions. I don't have the word because you talk about the hall of fame. I know what i was talking about. I don't know what you're talking about if i'm that backup quarterback for dallas and the backup linebacker there for pittsburgh. Keep your head on the swivel. I'll i'll deal with the final later because there's one thing that the ravens and teams like that really enjoy is when you put somebody to sleep all right. I could work with somebody that we will not kill. Hurt herself to hurt somebody else. You're out of your. This is key jay z. Presented by progressive insurance guests. Join us on the good your hotline. I'm shay cornet. He's bart scott any does keep me laughing all morning. He does keep it real okay. Well we're going to look ahead from the preseason games because on top of there being three pre season games there's also seventeen regular season game so we get a bonus in the regular season and it all starts on thursday night football with the buccaneers facing off against the dallas cowboys. And so this leads us to a bigger discussion about the cowboys. And the buccaneers. Because over the weekend. We heard you know some words from both jerry jones and tom brady. We're going to start with jerry jones. The cowboys owner president ngo he was on. nfl network. Any made a comparison of the cowboys. And the bucks i just. I can't rock with areas. we're going to have a lot of prayer So that we can get the courage to show up me. Ask world champion. Tom brady tampa great atmosphere. What a better opportunity to step up their within. V david against goliath david against goliath so he is calling the dallas cowboys. The richest team in the nfl of team. David david in glide matchup against the buccaneers. Just help me. well help me understand. I'm sure he. I'm sure he knows joel's day and i'm sure he can call up an accident. Accent to pray the twelve pound two ounce baby. Jesus help him out. I mean as going against the goat. I mean i mean. There's like one of those things like he understands the task at hand and you know he's he's laying format for the dallas cowboys to to be the underdog. Because you know it's gonna take every jet. I mind trick to get them able to get that upset. This is a team that continues always has disappointed us. They've always had the talent they haven't been able to come to collectively to the team. And i think it's because we give the dallas cowboys too much praise we talk about. They haven't won three or four playoff game since nineteen ninety-five every year. You think that they they walk around with this proviso light because they were to start. Because it is a the richest franchise in an almost north american sports. You know what i mean. They walk around just bravado. Like they've done something right so it's always a liberal arrogance wearing the dial when you play the dallas cowboys and that's why i always love smacking that look on their face that looked oh dallas cowboys like really since win. Because you ain't been downsized you haven't been dallas cowboys fifteen feared so when teams goal there. They they feel like they played a team that soft. Because i like in his weird. You feel like a team that has you. Know ezekiel elliott wouldn't be soft. It has a great office line at saw. But they're mentally soft. And you know when i play. I think i came in. Nfl left nfl. Never lost to the dallas cowboys because we knew the to embarrass them so we we knew where my where my one shot at you know came in left. The league never lost eleven years all day by myself once. You would put pillowcase no pillow. You'll nine nine of the plan but it's because the dallas cowboys amongst they realize amongst nfl teams think that their privileged people believe that have talent they don't have heart it similar not the talent in the heart thing. But it's similar kind of duke in college football right like like the same sort of imaging in your head when you go up against someone like that okay. So the cowboys are coming into this season. According to jerry jones almost like the underdog and in his in his way of thinking against everybody doesn't matter who they play but especially week one against the tampa bay buccaneers which again will be on thursday september knife The cowboys are going to tampa bay to face the reigning. Super bowl champions. It should be good and we're almost a month away from meanwhile the bucks they're going to open a six and a half point favorites according to caesar's vegas in that matchup and tom brady is already got the tom brady going at practice and it started on friday. He was very happy unhappy after practice. Here's tom brady. I've found my voice more. I really enjoyed my teammates. My coaches Spend a different environment just really enjoying the experience of playing football playing with these guys. Here's her catch me on a bad day. Today we had a really practice. So i'm not not feeling great about kind of what we did today. So here's what it is all right. Tom brady unhappy although when he says he's losing achey day at practice he says it's still with some grace but nonetheless avocados a season right. Yeah that's that's right. He's upset he's upset. But the buccaneers. As bruce arians pointed out are trying to go into this season still as the hunter not. The hunted. dot is hard to do right. Because tom brady understands the difficulty of being the hunted right. You're not gonna sneak up anybody you're gonna get everybody's best shot and the the issue is the beauty is they brought everybody back to run it back and that's beautiful. The thing is everybody. There has a ring. So everybody's everybody's full nobody's hungry. Usually what happens is like you have some turnover you have some players that walking that are watching you guys walk around with your rings walking around town getting all the accolades knowing that they weren't a part of that so they want part at. This is their best chance to get it. So they're khomri right but the the issue is everybody coming back. Nobody's hungry right and everybody feels good about themselves. I'm sure it's going to be a lot of distractions you know. People are going to get local endorsement deals they're going to be going around cashing in on that championship. Yeah i couldn't agree with you more i. It's a mentality like you don't want dudes that they've arrived because they have one super bowl ring like tom. Brady's got seven for a reason and so he needs to share that mentality with the rest of the squad and so we will see what happens when a guest. It's david versus goliath. According to jerry jones haven. You'll you'll boat is bigger than my house. Jerry miss me. What are we talking about jerry. But nonetheless it'll be an interesting one on thursday september ninth hall of fame game. Is this thursday. In about a month later we will see the dallas cowboys and the tampa. Bay buccaneers okay. There are two rookies starting their careers at quarterback which one of those two is going to have more success. We'll talk about it next things. Listening to sean. Jay williams zubin make sure to subscribe rate and review. You can hear the show live weekdays at six eastern on espn radio espn news for we ever use streaming audio. 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Politics to Podcasting: Dan Pfeiffer

That's What She Said with Sarah Spain

1:08:21 hr | 2 months ago

Politics to Podcasting: Dan Pfeiffer

"Get your day started with keyshawn. Jay willin zubin every morning at six. Am eastern on espn radio from jay williams expertise on the nba to keyshawn johnson's insights into the latest in the nfl moves. Don't miss a morning with keyshawn. Jalen zubin or listen to the podcast of the show. Wherever you get your podcasts. Plus thirty for thirty is back with breakaway. A film about wnba superstar and activists maya moore. This film explores the story of more one of the best basketball players in the world stepping away from the sport for a remarkable reason to fight for a man. She believed was wrongly imprisoned. Watch breakaway live tuesday july thirteenth at nine pm eastern on espn presented by hyundai. Welcome did that's what she said was sarahspain a podcast about well. Whatever the hell i want. Actors musicians athletes comedians. Neuroscientist wine experts. If i find somebody interesting. I'm bringing them to you. We'll talk about how they became who they are how they found success battled failures and how they ended up here talking to me hi. I'm dan pfeiffer. My dilemma is do. I get my hopes up for the philadelphia. Seventy sixers well as you can tell. We recorded this episode before. Dan's beloved sixers were eliminated from the postseason and my answer. Frankly might have been different way back when their issues were mostly whether embiid would be healthy enough to play and not ben simmons taking an already flawed and much criticized oeuvre to new heights with the past up open. Dunk that now. Kinda sorta stands for the beginning of the end of their season and probably the sixers as currently constructed. But i think my answer would be the same most would tell you. Now's a good time to get cynical. Never believe again until the final buzzer has sounded and rings are on the sixers fingers not let them into your heart until they've done the unthinkable and actually one at all but as a cubs fan. I know that they're still some magic in believing that there's always next year in enjoying an early season. Run of contention even if it ends in. I don't know a ten game losing skid or longer with the good be longer a skid that makes it nearly impossible to turn on the game at night in the beginning of july with any hope or happiness in your heart remaining. It's still worth it though. Because when they pay off your loyalty like the cubs did for me in two thousand sixteen. It actually somehow feels better for all the hurt. You went through with your fellow sixers. Fans like pledging frat or bonding in a foxhole or scaling skyscraper on your first one on one date on the bachelor that ship brings you together. So i say keep believing. Keep getting your hopes up even if they ultimately get crushed because honestly what else are you going to do root for the knicks. That's what she said. This week's guest is dan pfeiffer a new york times bestselling author podcast host with crooked media honestly i obsess about my crooked media pods pod. Save america love it or leave it almost as obsessively as he does about the sixers. Five was the senior adviser to u s president barack obama for strategy and communications from twenty thirteen. To two thousand fifteen. He's the author of two books. Yes we still can't politics in the age of obama. Twitter and trump from two thousand eighteen and un-trumpian america a plan to make america democracy again in twenty twenty. He also has a newsletter called the message box. I really enjoyed talking to him about a wide range of things. His obsession and and longtime following sixers and allen iverson how he was charmed by obama on their first meeting meeting his wife at the white house splitting his pants in the white house ultimately choosing to leave the white house before obama's tenure ended Also how he faces the barrage of bad news that he has to wade through daily to do the work that he does and now he can find hope in these times Which was an answer that i needed from him. Because i'm trying to do the same. So i really think you guys are gonna enjoy this. That's what she said. Super excited to have dan on the pod. And you know obviously people who wanna get in the weeds on policy can go to pod save america and the rest of crooked amazing offering so i wanna focus more on you and your career and your books and also your relationship to the work that you do which will of course be talking about the issues that propel your work. But i'm really most fascinated by people who are immersed in what has been for me. An inescapable. Hell even on the periphery. And i wanna know how you compartmentalize or don't or escape the news or don't and then we'll talk about of course your sixers phantom and everything else so i'm super excited to chat today and i want to go way back to when you were a kid growing up. I know you spent some time overseas brazil japan but then was it around. Eleven that you settled in wilmington delaware. So i was born in wilmington. I lived there. I was five. They moved to brazil. My dad worked for a company. Send him overseas brazil. Three years home. The delaware for few years back to japan than to japan and then back the delaware for high school. So oh my gosh. Okay so i hate to say it because of course now you know there's the great elena delle donne there's the you know the president of the united states but when i think of delaware the immediate thing i think of is in wayne's world when they can't think of anything and they just say hi were in delaware so tell me especially when once you've gone to these lengths of the world for other other things and you come back and settle in delaware. What's it all about well. When i came back to delaware. I would say going from living in tokyo where i used to take the subway to school and can move around innocent coming like eight years old in tokyo zero crime in japan so we were like i would go to go to school. I the subway home. We'd stop and do things. It was very much like living in a city. Like these growing up in europe but if there was no crime and you anything so delaware was Kind of a tough hit. We came home that first summer. When i was fifteen my driver's license my mom just drop my brother off at the mall which is basically a long hallway in wilmington with several stores. And then pick up a few hours later and it really. I always felt like what really summed up delaware. What was epa time. I've come to greatly appreciate my home state but at the time. It was summed up by the sign. When you enter. The state says home of tax free shopping. That's all we got. That's that's what we're leading with. Oh man okay. So what what were you into as a kid sports music politics politics a little bit like my parents are not political in. They didn't work in politics. They didn't go to fundraisers or work for politicians. We talked about the news a lot. And because i lived abroad you sort of had this perspective on the us but my main thing was sports always sports. That was what. I was most obsessed with us when i thought my career would be in. I was odd. I would be a high school. Basketball coach was sort of where i thought i would go for a long time It's what i best basketball sports with basketball in particular. Where my absolute obsession my install. Probably at my whole life read that you went and saw dr. j. and moses malone when you were really young. I did does my first basketball terms as my dad took myself and my friend to one game in the very early eighties. Obviously to see the sixers play in that was really sort of the high point of sixers them for a while. Yeah did you play sports. I played Basketball and soccer. In high school i was decided to be mediocre at with no real. I had some very brief ambitions of maybe playing basketball at a d. three school after high school. But it never really manifested itself and ended up going to join sean. Where i most definitely was not going to make best ball team right. Well that's why you start dreaming of coaching at a young. That's playing when they realized that's not gonna happen. I i grew to be six feet tall but the summer before. My seventh graders so my seventh grade. Basketball season was great. And then i grow in half in the ensuing. Thirty years it was it was a case of diminishing returns right exactly I always wish. I was like one of those ones that got all the guard skills and then sprouted. That'd be like the big with the guard skills and said. I was six feet when i was in eighth grade. So the exact opposite is what exactly also never learned the left. I should have broken the right at some point and pick that up so you you mentioned georgetown you were there at the same time as allen iverson so like the world keeps giving you these moments that are steering you towards the sixers. Yes we were in the same same class so here. He arrived for cape at the same time. i did. Georgetown give students do buy season tickets for ninety six dollars a season now and it was first-come-first-served seating and it was when the georgetown and then then washington bullets played out in landover maryland at the camp center and we would take a bus basically two and a half hours in dc rush hour traffic to get to the game to get there as early as possible because if you were the first one in line you sat courtside under the basket well so it was an incredible basketball experience for at least the two years in which iverson was attending georgetown. You said you were in the same class. I would imagine you weren't in the same class as no we were not in the same class. You never been ads in study hall. Did not by he. George shot like this is the old you know. This is john thompson and those guys went to class. They had to go to every single class and the they had so like. I had friends who were in intro to theology which is a georgetown required. Freshman year class in intro to philosophy. That had if backlash Harrington are alan iverson or johnny white or any of the players from the period in this classes and so i did not have classes. That difference who did he he was always there. Because of i think looming fear of john thompson would do if they did not show right right well and he had such a tidy thompson and his belief in him that i'm sure there was a feeling of not wanting to disappoint. So you graduate magna cume laude from georgetown so you are clearly going to class at the beginning. You wanted to be a lawyer. And i think i read. You said you thought you'd be a lawyer and hate your life. Which is what i find. A lot of lawyers say when they transitioned into being agents or writers journalists. I happen to come from a family of lawyers Both my parents remain remained lawyers and enjoy it so i i don't always understand but i do get plenty of people call themselves recovering lawyers so you figured it out before you even got into it and pivoted to politics. How quickly after you graduated. Did you find yourself actually working in politics. Sort of right away. I like my plan. This is just like pure poverty of imagination on my car was it. Was this like. I sort of thought like what you should do. Is you should go to go to law school or medical school or business school. And i would do one of those things. That's like a lot of people that i you know. People's parents i knew were people. I thought i thought that's what this is sort of what you did. And i wasn't great at science and wasn't good at math so like my path was pretty established. Pretty early on and then in college. I when i was at georgetown. I did an internship in the white house in what was then vice president. Gore's office and it was this phenomenal experience. I even though. I did nothing more than make copies. Fetch coffee into all the things interns new. I like caught. The bug goes very exciting. Time to be there. And i ended up deciding because of that The end up staying at working part time for the in the white house for the rest of my time in in a as part adjunct of the interim program for the rest of my time in college and then went to work. And i sort of said to myself. Well how just go work on al gore's campaign after i graduated renegade he was gonna run is giving was kicking off. As i was graduating. He would of course win. I would maybe get a chance to go work in the white house for a little bit or work in government and then we're going to law school and obviously history shows. That's not exactly how things turned out. So i ended up in politics by kept thinking. It was a way station that kept delaying law school. To the point where it would have been awkward at the age of which gone to law school. So that's incredible to have gotten that opportunity in the white house at such a young age and to me. It feels like certainly now younger. People are more invested in politics right away. Because it's more inescapable in general how those decisions and the policies are affecting your everyday life may. Maybe it's just me. And what i was interested in but when i was When i was graduating college Couple years after you. It just felt a lot easier to sort of ignore it or to not have it be a focus while you're young and trying to figure out what you're doing with your life and i wonder did you find yourself often working alongside people significantly older than you or were you always at least early on in positions that were predominantly you know filled with other just recent college grads and stuff a little bit of both it was like it was a different period. I think for people thought about politics. It was bill. Clinton was president. The cold war was over. The economy was roaring most of my friends in college. Who didn't go to grad school. Went to work at a consulting firm or went to a lot of them went to wall street and it was just sort of like what people that i was the only one of my friends who took a job in politics and it it even like i was at georgetown. Bill clinton was president states. He was a graduate of georgetown and politics was even talked about that much on. Yeah so things. Changing changed a lot. There was obviously any intro position. It's a lot of self selected group of young people but for a lot of time. Are there were people a lot older than i was. I was working with or dealing with it. When you're twenty two or twenty three and you work with or people you kind of have to act older than you are and be more serious than you probably are just so the because you did natural sumptuous people are gonna take your just some young dumb kid so you've probably but i spent some twenty is trying to pretend like i was in my thirties. Right totally totally. I did the opposite. I think dragging out kind of late twenties early thirties for as long as possible and recently especially in my career. I'll have these up and comers be like well people like you that i've been watching since i was a kid and i'm like god old until you remind me flame. Bears is a podcast championing. The women seeking to compete in the two thousand twenty one tokyo summer olympics and paralympics. It shares their incredible often unheard stories as they light the way for women around the world celebrate women athletes who don't receive the media attention. They deserve and here at. 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I was there in a little more substantive but yeah i would feel very like we. Politics has changed so much. The way i think Almost jane so much that they're while there are things i worked on that. I think were of good intent. I think a lot of what underlies some of the original thinking of that program was good intent. A lot of it was the i wouldn't like i. You know you don't wanna take like too much like it feels almost like self-aggrandizing the suggests like when you're a small person off playing a small role in a bigger thing. I would do this differently when you reload really moving along without you know how we do that in politics in general because the expectations for someone to have a through line in their career even as everything around them and they themselves are changing is so flawed. But we don't do that in that many other places right. Yeah i sort of thought at the time it was just like i needed a job. It was a job. It was a job in government. Working for president that i supported. And i certainly had no real expertise in policing. I certainly would not like you would redo that program over again. You win do it. In the same way and ultimately this is one of the things that you know. As i've gotten older in spent many times in politics and sort of been reflecting on things than what right and things wrong with various people i worked for did in my life is that the point is as you learn in you change from it right now. Is that what you're not like frozen in amber for what she believed when you were twenty two or what. You did what you were twenty two. It was like things change. You change in like. How do you respond to that change in what you do with that information. I think is where people should be judged in thought of which is the conversation. We should be having about every single mention of canceled culture and instead we have this incredibly stupid binary black and white bullshit where no one is demanding that you rewrite history. It's merely a question about whether that's still how you feel. And if not are you willing to address it and be transparent about how you no longer feel that way. And if you're not we're gonna ask you some more questions about it three simple to me. But so are so many things that we start time to painting See went on to work for al gore's presidential campaign a couple of different democratic governors and senators and you get pulled into the obama campaign by someone who had worked with you and at senator daschle office. What did you think when you were. I asked to join the campaign. And how likely did you think it was. That barack obama would have a successful campaign so i had worked for senator tom daschle who had been the senate democratic leader in the early two thousands and he in two thousand four he was planning to run for president dozen for and i had just gotten to know him and he came to me and said that he was pretty sure he was going to run for president and if he did he'd want me to work for him in sort of asked me to while he made his final decision with his family. Whether we'd run. Whether i would not take another job. And i i love the guy who's absolutely and i was so honored i was like twenty four years old. It was so exciting and we play in that campaign. plan that campaign. I was driving to the airport to fly to south dakota where senator daschle was from for his announcement speech when his chief-of-staff Called me and said that he he changes mining was not running and so i got left at the altar without a very nice job another job but without the presidential campaign are associated. Work on you flash. Forward for years that same chief-of-staff mandate pete rouse. Who would then became president obama's chief of staff I found myself unemployed right before that presidential campaign started because the candidate i was going to work for decided not to run again so i got left the gate and then pete rouse called me and asked me to go to coffee to to the same coffee shop. He had taken me to pitch me on the daschle race and told me that brock obama was almost certainly running. He was just going to go to hawaii and make a final decision with his family. And if he did what. I'd be willing to talk to him about hoc- working on a campaign and is that the whole time. Thank you not only with was skeptical. He was gonna win. I was skeptical. Who's gonna run. I was positive that he was going to like my previous guests. Just decided not to run. I would just that was worst dried it. He did decide. Iran and i was very. I was skeptic. i did not know him. I had never met him. I hadn't actually even watched his conventions visa was so famous in real time Because i've been working on another campaign at the time and wasn't super focused on it and i had a bunch of friends like this guy peed. Who had worked for. Were working for thought. He was the absolute best in someone that you know i had to meet him was a superstar in all that and i was skeptical because people tend to political folks center fall in love and out of love of canada three easily and everyone's bosses the absolute best in. It's the next so-and-so. And i went in and met with him for maybe forty five minutes and i walked out of there just so blown away that i accepted a job without knowing what my title was what my salary or whether i went i was going to have to move to chicago which was contingent upon accepting the job. Just like walked out and his charmer. Yeah we've got the obama singing That's going through your mind one meeting well it once you joined and once obama won you had a pretty quick ascent. You know you're you're starting out as the transitions communications helper. Then you become the communications director for the white house. Then shortly thereafter you promoted to senior adviser for strategy and communication so very clearly took a liking to each other and he. He found very useful People can read your book your first book of. Yes we still can politics in the age of obama twitter and trump for some of the best stories from the white house and insight into what was to work in the white house. But i want to ask you about a couple of one of them. Is of course the pants splitting i just love the idea of being in the oval office and hearing the rip as someone who had my pants split while filming a television show. I wonder which is worse truly. I mean it's it's a fair question. So the the story here is. I was getting ready to brief the president for. Who's gonna do a press conference. And i always sort of a wed press conference. Prep it was something. I had dances begin a campaign where i sort of organized say this is. What is what you're doing. Here's what we're expecting this person's going to tell you about this thing in the news. You should know about orchestrated. So i had to be like on. And i was. I walked into the oval office. And i guess it's probably safe to save is probably not my most fit period in life and a high this the couches a very deep there were in the oval office back then and i sat down. I didn't fully judge the height when i sat down. I heard the rip. But you know. I wasn't entirely sure what exactly had happened so i spent the whole time like knowing in the back of my hand like twenty people in the room right. There's a cabinet secretary of the united states. A bunch of people who opinion i respect ad. I know the whole time talking to that. There's a very good chance when i stand up. My underwear is going to be available to the entire world to see and so in addition like it really of the things. I'm of my life being able to get through this press conference without anyone knowing that i was having this internal crisis high on that list because the whole time thinking about how i was going to get out of the room without anyone knowing and so i basically just pretend to after it all ended. Everyone gathered in a bunch of people. President went back to his desk and a bunch of people went with him to talk to him about some more. Thanks and i just pretended to look at my notes until everyone had their back turned. And then i kind of wiggled my way out along the wall the wall with my posterior to the wall so that no one could see it and hustled back to my office where i frantically dialed a friend. Mike averted for another semester. Monica worked in the white house with neetu to see if she had safety pins. And let's just say if the ripple such that there were no matter safety pin sufficient to solve this problem so i went to a meeting later editor meeting that later that day in the capital the staff of speaker nancy pelosi and i wear my trenchcoat the entire time even though it was like a hundred degrees in the room it was like it was winter outside inside. It was so hot. And i'm it's not taken off yet. It was not it was not not. There's nothing cool about it. But i did get out of the room with anyone saying so. In that sense. The president did not get to make fun of me in real time for just later came out too. We'll get right back to the interview but quick aside here so since i did reference these splitting of my pants. I used to be a rock and republic jeans. Divo- tei back in the day but that particular brand always seemed to sprout holes in the lower but crotch area after a year or two anywhere. And i didn't realize that i was wearing was on. Its last legs when i was taping an episode of chicago's best. It's a weekly show here in chicago featuring restaurants bars activities neighborhoods around the city and i was hosting an episode about specific neighborhood that we were about to explore and there was a jackie chan poster on a wall in an alley and i kicked the hell out of that thing. Trying to meet with jackie's leg and boom right down the middle straight up the backside. Of course. I couldn't go around taping all day with big hole in the but so i had to take a train home change to other genes take a train back to finish the shoot and sadly not the only time. I've split my pants in public. Because i split my pants dancing at a bar in southern california once had to pull the sweater you tie around the waist As of yet have not split my pants. When i do splits these splits. That is at occasions where i'm over served. Which is more often than you might think that. I bust out the splits in the middle of a wedding. I was at this past weekend twice. Let's get back to the interview. Another highlight from the white house was meeting your your wife right yes we. We worked very near each other for a very long time before. I switched offices and then We started dating. How do we play this game. Do we pretend that it say friendship. Then it's more than it's how do we tell people. Then it's never tell people to were gone is there. Is there any hard matthews on the observe. Their i would put it this way We were friends for a long time. I think with mutual interest in something more than friends and slowly over time it came to be and then we were Secretive about it for because we were all work with the same people and were it was like if it didn't work it would be just awkward for lots of people in weird so got to make sure that it was real before it was what we had thought it hoped it would be for a long time Before we were more public about it than a slow rollout plan among various people with out. I love very wise. It also fulfills all of our fantasies of like veep. And everything else to have this romance going on alongside the hustle and bustle and drama of global politics So what is it like to leave the white house and to have your tenure end regardless of whether you're great at it i mean it's a job that ends even if you're crushing it so i left with a little less than two years remaining in the administration. I have been the by the time. Yeah by the time. I had left. I was the last person other than barack obama who had been there since the first day of the campaign lower white house period. When i told him i was leaving he pointed out that that was not an option available. One left yes so he did not take that as a legitimate excuse for burn out at exhaustion. I also pointed out that my seat on the airplane did not come with the bed in the shower So i was all the travels new perhaps a little tiring for me By so i left with. Because i sort of i was by the time we got to the end. I was Exhausted and fried. And i could tell. I was on the customer. Now because it's sort of if you cannot get excited and thrilled about going to work there every day. Then you probably shouldn't go to work there every day and so it was very close to that and i was very nervous about leaving. I had been in this bubble by the time. I left for eight years. Straight went back to the campaign working with the same people working for the same person you know. They were my friends and my family. I was working twenty really to the exclusion of a lot of other people in my life. Who used to be. I was very close to that. I decided not seen very often back on vacation with admist weddings and things like that because of this job and so to leave that little cocoon of my life and go do something else was very. It was scary. And i remember having watched the advantage of having been there forever said watched a lot of people i know in respect leave there were sort of two approaches to some people leave and they go through like almost depression about it. Where it's like you go from being in the center of everything and your important in. Everyone wants your advice or your opinion or they respond to emails in two seconds. And then you go to that to nothing in. It's like a feeling of shock in you sort of have to process those emotions and then some people retiring from sports exactly very similar right. Yes i run dealership. Now if i need. People come by and very similar to that plotline in ballers had some people leave and they are happy and they're like excited to do all these things that they've been putting on hold for some of the years. I was sure i would be in the depressed. Can't and i actually turned out to be in the ladder capable and thanks that good. I think help with that as my she's my now wife but we she left at the same time i did in. We went to asia in traveled around for almost two months and didn't really check the news. We oftentimes didn't get international cell phone plan so we could be getting emails and Reading blackberries and everything Blacker israel Side of the times that we were in far behind the white house was in two thousand fifteen and that sort of helped like decompress and get me ready for life on the outside but it was very like. I just hadn't had a saturday and a sunday. That were all lined for almost a decade of that point. It's such a first world opinion of me but like my idea of whether a job is too much is if you can't get off for a wedding like i will work nonstop all hours of the day weird times way many way more than an average job. But if i can't like get time off that i really need it. Then i'm like nope get it and that's it's so silly but it's like something that kind of stands out to me. Like what kind of pressure are you under to never be gone. You can't take off those days that kind of says it all Easily the wedding glad anything that matters a lot because he comes so rare times when you get to see some people from some section your life right like a wedding something with high school at this. The one time you're going to see those people maybe for a decade and then it's a friend from college and so. Yeah like like either weddings. That i miss. I super regret some of those people. I haven't seen in years because of that right there. Just hasn't been a wedding to catch those people. It's really hard together. People for anything other than a wedding or a funeral which is sad. I have a friend who's turning forty. And i advised her in the body to be like. I still hope i get married. But if i don't like my wedding. I want to see all of you. I'm not married yet. Please come to this party. And i think it's working getting ahead. Good count for mexico going to be a good time so you go to be. Vp of communications and policy at go fund me. What what drove that and like when you left the white house did you think i'm just gonna wait till the next campaign. I wanna be a part of or or did you say. I'm burned out from what just happened in the white house. I don't want that again. What i the day. I told allama i was leaving It was very nice. He kind of figured out what was coming and he was a day after the unions until fifteen went up to his office on air force while we were on a sort of posted a union barnstorming tour to tell on what he had sort of already guessed that i was leaving and we had a really wonderful conversation. He was so generous about it but he did at the end of it say any. He's known me. Since i was twenty nine years old or whatever it was and he said he said to make us you know pfeiffer what do you want to do and i was like sir. I got no idea as i can't. It's he's like you're an awkward age. You're too young to sort of ride on the coattails of all the stuff we did your. You might be getting a little oldest start. Something new thank you like. That was not on anyway. Reform took that last part is a challenge and i was like oh really well. I'll do something new. And so. I started decided i was going to go than like politics was over. I never going to have an experience for someone that i had a connection with the have with obama. They had that experience where i started the beginning when there was no chance they did. The whole rollercoaster rocketship right. Or whatever you call it and i was like well. I'm gonna go were. I've never worked in anything other in politics. I'm gonna go work in business in. My wife is from the bay area. So we moved to san francisco and i started working at a tech company and i had felt confident in what i had worked on was safe. You know he would be succeeded by democratic sixteen on policies would be around and i was sort of decided that politics as a procession was over turns out that wasn't exactly the case in history did not play out as i expected by. That was my thinking at the time. We'll get right back to the. But i what is your favorite word thoughtful and because of the meaning of it. I use it too much into often in a fulsome which is a word. I use sometimes incorrectly as people out to me. Okay let's start with thoughtful circuit. Twelve hundred can template of occupied with thought from middle english and then around eighteen fifty one. It also started to mean showing consideration for others fulsome is mid thirteenth century meaning abundant or plentiful from the middle english full meaningful and some meaning to a considerable degree. It perhaps began as a sort of ironic understatement Then it also started take on meaning plump or well fed in the next century and then in the late fourteenth century. Arousing disgust. Sort of like that feeling of having over eaten and according to etima online they think maybe that nauseous meeting led to the other definition of offensive. Who are bad for you know. Taste or good manners in the early fifteenth century And then finally in the sixteen sixty especially you know especially or excessively flattering became a meaning as well but dan. if you're wondering how to use it correctly now since about the nineteen sixties. It's most commonly used in that original favourable sense of just abundant plentiful. Fulsome speak in a great words today. The word of the week is well. Since this is the first part of the month of july will grab one from my more arose. Calendar petty fogging as in alexis now is not the time for petty fogging. This word arrived on the scene. Back in the fifteen sixty s meaning and inferior or petty attorney employed in small or mean business attorney of the baser sort often treated as two words or maybe hyphenated. I being petty and the second the provincial foggier which could mean a huckster cheat one who engages in mean or disreputable practices but etima online also said it's maybe from the obsolete dutch falker from flemish focken to cheat or from middle english fugger and all of those are linked to the name fugger. It was a renowned family of merchants and financiers from fifteen hundred sixteenth century in augsburg germany and because of that family in german flemish and dutch. The name fugger became a word that meant monopolist or rich men but the old english dictionary also points out. The word pettit factor. Who was illegal. Agent who undertakes cases which in the fifteen eighty s came a little bit later but might be the source of petty foggier. The verb that more were used as petty. Fogging is rare and attested only in the sixteen tens so after all that in a sentence it was both predictable and infuriating to see coverage of the us. Women's national soccer teams final olympic tuneup. A four nil win over mexico on monday. Plagued by the petty fogging of far-right websites operating in bad faith as they attempted to stir up animus for the team based on the anthem. Stances of players petty fogging. Now let's get back to the interview so one does keeping it sixteen hundred when description media at first. It was with the ringer before could media was founded windows. All that come into your life and lure you back in so in it was early. Two thousand and sixteen. When i left the white house one of the things i did before took a real job was i did saab freelance writing for great land. Yeah and had gotten no bill simmons a little bit through that and so and i bet bill simmons through various white house things when he had interviewed obama in a big fan of his book his book while when it came out and so i did like some fine by not a job. Just some fun writing. Like i wrote a piece about how tom brady could handle. Deflated the pr of deflategate. Better at somebody some fun. Ultra things like that. And so then i was going to do more than than bills left. Espn and sort of And so the grantland came to an end and then when he started the ringer he reached out to john. Several i to see if we had any interest in doing politics podcast for him and we thought sure why not. He's like well. Why don't you guys come on my podcast and we'll talk about this is trump is running. Now it's like there's a lot there's a lot of interest in politics he's Geringer his just started and he said why. Don't you just come on my podcast. We'll talk about the election and we'll see how it goes and people like you guys like able they will see if there's something you can do on your own for the rare like sharon. It's like being bill simmons. Podcast is one of those things that is a is a like where people you never. Who would never been one lack of attention to a single thing. That i ever did. The white house like like meet the press or anything like that would definitely respond to the bill simmons vague and it was like super fun and we had a great conversation and it was like well. Why don't you guys do the test pod and so we just did a test john. I just call each other and talk about politics which we have basically been doing for the previous ten years anyway. John who was the director of speechwriting. Yes right director. Alabama and now co host. The parts of america with me and we will years younger than you so kind of a similar age. And you'd maybe hung hung out with at the white house outside of work stuff very very good friend did he was also on the campaign from the very first day so we worked with mental campaign together yet. He's to point out Like seven years younger than me. A lot And about what very good friends and and work deliver new years. We did this podcast. We sort of we didn't. I didn't really understand when tests. Podcasts main meant in so we recorded it and then they posted it like very soon after that like. I'm sure big misunderstanding was on our part but then it was just check out this new unnamed politics by for afro if people really responded to it well and so we started keeping sixteen hundred and then separately before we did that john cavero And then our friends from co workers. Tommy john love. It had been working on a separate project that was sort of Some ideas around one a political talk show would look like they weren't really thinking podcast at the time And so that they came on and started doing it with us so we were doing to a week. It's keeping us sixteen hundred and would that all through the election and it ended up being a lot of fun but we really viewed it as a hobby. Like i feel like it's not my job. But i'm interested in it as obviously this incredibly interesting crazy election like what a time to talk about it. This was a way to do it. That i thought allowed me to talk about it in a way that it wasn't just like answering questions. Thirty second sound bites on cable news or something like that. It was like a more informal accessible way to talk about it but are sort of you was especially from anyone who listened to a back as hillary clinton was going to win and when she won we would probably finish the podcast. Like i would probably. We probably do a little bit until obama left in then we'd all go back to our daily lives and then obviously many other elections in my life that did not smell the way expected that led us to so john john and tommy then decided that what they really wanted to do was found them media company. 'cause that's sort of what they've been thinking about interesting for very long time. I was still working funding at the time. The sort of running media company Was something i'd give it. A lot of thought to today formed it in became the host. The home of positive americans now post to lots of other many many things of all across politics pop culture in l. even some sports but it was created because we viewed taking the platform that we built between sixteen this as we could use that in a way that dealt the to channel our reaction to the election and talk about what we could do about that and that sort of the genesis of lead us to leave the ringer which is a very different Which was very wonderful. Asset is a very different sort of approach and to do a more politics. Activists focused endeavor. So you're at crooked media and now you have a mouthpiece microphone space to watch as the trump presidency begins and see so much of the things that you worked on dismantled and a lot of people have asked president obama about this. But i'm curious from your perspective. You're working so hard on on creating a different world than a different country and doing all these things from from a place of of Great research and time and effort and doing it the right way. How do you react in the moment as you start to realize it. So much of what's going to happen is being done. Often out of spite didn't really seem like there was even a good reason sometimes to dismantle some of the stuff that had been done during the administration it you know it was it was hard right it was emotionally hard like you invest so much in these things like years of your life and you think incredibly important. That's why you do them. It's you making sacrifices for them and like in the moment it was incredibly hard in some of the stuff like also you have the ability to know like if we wrote executive order and trump undeserving executive order than the next democratic. President can just put it back in again right. There's there were. Each thing had a different level of seriousness to it The thing we were all of us are most concerned about was Obama's health care law being repealed. Because that's something that you if that goes that doesn't come back in any simple way can simply be redone but the way it took a long time in and actually a conversation with president obama about it as it was you know in those early trump ears to sort of reset my thinking too like i can be angry about it in the moment because this is the thing i care about i think is good for the world. I think it helps people. I don't want things that i don't think are good for the world to happen and even more offensive when it happens like from your old office but the way to think about it is all you know more often than not presidents particularly trump residents are succeeded by presidents by someone from the other part. There's an hit like that. The architecture right that is oftentimes steps or once all you can do as a person who was involved in. It is no that you did the best you could to make as many people's lives better as possible in the time you had and it comes now we have no. We have no control over right and it's not such a health i approach. Yeah it's it's easier to say than to actually feel but That that's that was sort of mentality we try. I tried to bring you know in president. Very spock in zemlikhan so he can be handled that better than i possibly can. But that's the way to sort of think about it is it doesn't undo what we but yes it does some sort of some policy we put in place but it doesn't undo the work because the work we did help some people for the period was in per our beliefs but also you know move the ball forward and i do you know the conversation. Change the sort of whatever. The middle is on so many things. I'm always says. Progress is not a straight line. And that's something that's very hard to remember to like in the moment but it's important to think about it because it is sort of the arc of history is that why totally So in two thousand eighteen two years after that election year book comes out the first one new york times bestseller guests. We still can't politics in age of obama twitter and trump. That was really looking back at how everyone got that election wrong Sort of a path of of what you thought. The democratic party should do going from there. You share some of those fun anecdotes about your pants splitting in konya. And all that. And i'm sure had to wrestle with what to share and whatnot to share from their white house time And then february of last year. It's a second book. Un-trumpian america plan to make america democracy again. And you're writing this before the election. So there's a very possible chance that he's elected again and everything that you right sort of is either moot and or is doesn't age well but so much of what you talk about in the book is not just the election but the fact that trump is a person. doesn't disappear when he does. It's the ideas and the extension of what he believed and created the republican party to be And how that will keep going beyond him unless there's a different strategy when you're reading that book and you understand of course you want people to read it in the months leading up to the election but you don't want it to be a book that's six months worth of of time right. What were you considering in terms of the now and then reading this even a year or five years from now you know i. I found this with both of my books. Is that writing about contemporary politics. In a declarative way is very hard because it changes so quickly. Yeah this is. True of eddie endeavor like write a book about sports and yeah. We're all gonna end up on freezing cold takes. Yeah right right exactly. I was stuck in my head. Was there was this book that came out in two thousand six called the way to win and it was like this. Big deal in dc these big important reporters who had written and it was about how. How how the two thousand eight election. But play out and hoover. What would what was likely to happen. And you can read that entire book and you will never find the words. Barack obama in there always had that in my head is why i could do this So i tried to like i wrote about the election. Obviously you have like. That was what people who are the most people by first comes out. That's when it would be the most relevant. I tried think probably certainly far from perfect To take a step back and say like how this would matter no matter what happens in the election but the real premise is the book. Is that the ideas that led to this moment to this person. Being president doesn't seventy two two thousand and twenty one. We're not gonna go away regardless of the election results. I mean it'd be want in. If you believed as i do that you wanted to politics more like when my former boss was in place you have to do these things beyond the election do it. In many people you know the hardcovers going out the out over. That's that simple. As many people out but paperback was going to come out the summer after the election. And it's very possible that might premise. That all these ideas would still hanging around with be wrong. I really wrestled with that. I did. I wish you were thought to myself. Well a book that doesn't h well as really a small price to pay for something. I feel about but unfortunately that was not the case. That's how it's been itself out. There was one wine in there that i had most of it. I've i've gone back. And i've read it. It's paperback came out in june. And have it. I feel pretty. I was nervous to read it. Because i basically wrote the book it came out. I went on this book tour for like three weeks. The pandemic hit. I came home and then didn't leave my house for fourteen months or whatever right and so i hadn't really liked wrestle and picked it up and thought about. It really talked about it like you do when you write a book and you're doing book tours during these events and you're doing signings and things like that and so i- rewrite it for the purposes of writing at new little epilogue to it for the paperback edition and i was like. I felt pretty good about how in hell it held up there. Was this one footnote. That pointed out it was just like a joke about how of all that they should say about trump that he had not yet help Lead american to historic recession. So the book came out very twentieth. American recession. I think in early april that one we just because i wanted to be fully transparent. I didn't delete the footnote from paperback version. But i did out wrong. I was I i had a facebook memory pop up from the year before. Maybe it's two thousand eighteen. That was just constant traveled for a story. I was doing was like fourteen flights in two months or something and i posted. Can i just like have a job. Where i don't leave my house and snuggling dog popping up during the pandemic and i was like loops mob infested. This it's not as great as i thought so. I'm kind of curious as we wrap up here. You're diving into what again for me has been a hell escape just from. The periphery like constant checks on mental health by stepping away from the news. And and even occasionally and and it's a bummer. Stepping away from pod save american. Love it or leave it and all these things that i love because when it became less of an imminent threat of like at any given day some news could break where you're like what how I just was like okay. I don't need to know every single thing every second anymore. I need to recover from that. How do you do that and kenya. You know it's i'm very and this has been my life for so long as it's been like consuming news nonstop bisley every day since i graduated from college which is probably maybe not the wisest life choice you know like. I find escapism in there. Obviously my family my daughter was born in eighteen. My son was born two months ago until like. That is a real distraction because like too much my daughter will tell me to put it away and guilt. She's very persuasive. And but then like sports and pop culture. And i try like most of my i listen to a small handful. Podcast but most podcast. I listen to our sports sports-related like that's my escape and even when politics into sports as it's been known to do periodically in the last few years it just it happens but just like narrating out by on zach lowe podcast about indiana winnings or or mikhail. Podcast the dow. Nfl intellect. that doesn't get good way to not think about these other things in many people that i know have sort of you know either during the trump ears or after the trump. Here's sort of stepped away at times because i mean this is bid. Twenty twenty was insane year. No matter what you believe pandemic in election stuck in your home trying to in many cases like work or with like scary financial situations with your kids at home now. All of that is so hard. And it's like these things. Are you know marathons not spritz right. it is I'm probably butchering running analogy. Which you can pour me out on that You'd find to take you know to rest and recover at various points. Just get blake. Our message of america's than politics matters citizenships a fulltime job. That doesn't mean you have to do it. Every single day just means that you have to stay engaged. If you need a health breaker you wanna tune out or or you're vaccinated and it's like you're going to be your summer vacation and travel go do that. I ate and then go gobi elections to come to get back engaged in so that sounds great right And it doesn't feel like you need. I guess prescribed coping methods the way some other people might. You've found them in their very organic right listening to sports pods or whatever but were there any moment particularly during either the trump presidency or even now in the aftermath where. There's your relearning how to do your job because there isn't even a shared reality if we can all believe in the same facts about the world. How do we then engage in conversation with people who believe differently or even those who may be followed. The same Party but but but little even handling things differently. Has there been a moment. Where you've really gotten down. Or you. Just as preternatural naturally going to be pretty level. I mean there have been you know. There have been lots of moments january sexism moment that i was deeply disturbed by the Moments during the campaign for sure that were incredibly disturbing. I think in the point you make about shared reality. I have had to. And i don't have all the answers in the most answer. You know my job is inapplicable. Communications in some way shape or form my entire adult life and that is a bow that's largely about. How do you win an argument about something right. How do you convince people about the correctness of your positions or the values of the person you're working for and the methods by which you do that the way you think about. It is so fundamentally different when you have to revisit all of those priors because you can't have an argument when there's when you're operating from the same set of facts from any facts at all or a different reality and so i. I spent a lot of my sort of nine sports. Five listening time or sports watching time Sort of thinking about like what that means like what advice. I would give the politicians. Is that most of what i've learned about how you communicate a message. How you do. Public relations has to be changed. Like everything about how you think about it. like at most people don't have the answers but the old bottles in politics at least do not work anymore and that's a lot of work to do to think about new ways to do it. That really they really are sort of Somewhat scary if you've done one thing you know sort of one way your whole career in that different now. That doesn't work. Anymore is also sort of acknowledging some larger more troubling trends in society of taken. Hold in ways that you don't you don't really want to be true. But i think are true right totally agree and i hope that our smartest minds are focused on figuring that out whether that's us focusing on tv instead of social media as the dominant place for rising views that are super dangerous or the kind of Divisiveness that's resulted from that. Lack of shared perspective is coming from spaces that we're not used to treating as important as they become so i hope people are focusing on the ways to get us all connected Even to argue in productive ways would just be a step up from what we've got going on now last question for you and it's Sorry a little depressing. You have two young kids. You mentioned kyla and jack and i wonder it's it's it's a very hopeful act to have children right now. In my opinion. It's incredibly cynical. But i can. I can say whenever i'm gone. Of course i care about all my family and friends and all their kids. But like i only have to wrap my mind around surviving however long i will live in the impending doom of the articles and stories. I don't fully read. Because it kills me when i read too much about climate change and other things like that. How do you stay hopeful. I you know i. I'm hopeful most of the time. And i think it's two ways one is. This is obviously pre pandemic but one of the privileges of coupons. America's i got to travel all over the country meeting all kinds of really amazing people doing incredibly brave things to put in place to fight for the things they care about. And you know there's a in like in meeting those people whether it's people were fighting to like the kids from Parkland florida who are fighting to stop gun. Violence and activists fighting for health care since like that that i think real in most of them are young people and that gives me real hope for the teacher. Nece this sort of you know this is maybe the the old percent the older i'd say for myself i hope a person me is that You know we always have moments these dark moments in history and we come out of them. It's hard it takes time and it takes work but You know like i said earlier. No progress in move in a straight line And but we're heading in the right direction. It's just we're gonna take a few detours and understanding those are those are the exceptions not the rule Makes it. I think easier to process some of these things. Yeah that's a great way to approach it. We're out of time but before we let you go. You have to do the one thing that everybody does. Nobody expects the spanish inquisition expects the spanish inquisition. It's the spanish inquisition. It's ten questions speed round number one. Your current career is cancelled. All of them podcasting writing etc. What job do you do instead. High school basketball coach. Love it number two. What's the most scared you've ever been something. I found out that. I can't say when i was in the white house. Okay all right. That almost happened or could happen at any time. It it did not. It could have happened. Did not happen so you don't have to be scared from what us okay. Good i was gonna say yeah imminent number three. You could be the best in the world at one thing for one day. What is it basketball number four. What current celebrity music politics. Tv would you most like to be your best friend. Currents liberty music politics tv the sports count. Yeah okay joel. Embiid interesting dude. That'll be a lot of fun number. Five what's your biggest mostly meaningless pet peeve. My biggest most meaningless pet peeve our people it meetings who read the debt the powerpoint deck. Te'o there's people. I work with are hooked on here. This yeah me too one of the shows on it's like here's the document we said all of you. Now i'm going to read it to you even though presumably. Read it number six. What's the most embarrassed you've ever been pants wedding and amazingly you manage to survive without anyone knowing the moment as far as you know i had. I had to know which was hard. You had to know number seven. What's the thing about yourself. You'd most like to improve my patients. Hell yeah i hear that one number eight any musician or band alive or dead can play your next party. Who is it kanye west circa two thousand eleven wow to county west circuit two thousand and the old county is he would say yeah. I'm here for like through the wire konya more so than yeah more recent. That'd be that'd be a good show number nine. What would you consider your biggest failure failure. They are many in. They are manifest His failure Much of my high school sports career would be high on that list. They're pretty high. You did your best. Though is ideally failure. I tried but i feel like i left on the table. It wasn't a being able there wasn't there wasn't much there but number ten. What three individual words would you most hoped people would use to describe you nice. Thoughtful and smart was waiting for fulsome. Returned it really depends on how you use it because it used the primary definition. Knock great secondary shoes much better and bonus question. Who should i have in this podcast. Who someone fascinating interesting doesn't matter what industry they're in stacey abrams. Oh gosh i would love to. Have you put in a good word for me. At absolutely she is the best. She is so smart so thoughtful. Main shia somebody who save democracy and then wrote a legal thriller that was the number one bestseller. Just all night isn't saying yeah. That's incredible unbelievable while i'll be following up with you on that because i would love to have her. Thanks so much for coming on. I know how busy you are and is really interesting to get to talk to you about some of this stuff and i am infinitesimally more hopeful than before if we can just do one iota additional health and i feel like my time has well-spent here. Perfect that's what she said. Oh yeah one more thing. This is a place where i rant or rave tell you something to listen to watch or read and this week. It's a great story. I think you should check out. It is a infuriating story. But one that you need to know. And it's karen attaya in the washington post writing about fina. Which is the international swimming federation deciding to ban soul caps now. These are swimming caps designed to accommodate natural afro hair and they've been banned from the upcoming olympics. If you want to read the story. The headline is the international swimming federation. Just gave black swimmers everywhere a wet slap in the face. Here's a little bit from the story. 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HR 1: Picture Perfect!

Afternoons with Marcellus & Kelvin

42:29 min | 2 months ago

HR 1: Picture Perfect!

"I mean you do have that kind of freeman street. Kind of feel. Like i could totally see you just hanging out like right by the golden gate hotel and casino or whatever. They're in downtown vegas. I feel like that is. That could be up your alley. Yeah i mean. I gotta tell you george if we're gonna go a little deeper into this here for a second so that picture. This is so funny. How photo shopping works. I took that picture in my girlfriend's bedroom because this in go this is a year ago. Espn is like hey We need a photo of you. I'm like okay like when they're like tomorrow i'm like a professional then no phone. It's fine so i'm like okay. What do i want this picture to be. So i put on a black shirt because i like to wear black you know makes me look a little thinner and i have this thing that i do. Don't ask me why it's stupid. It's bizarre thing. I don't know what it means. It's like hey i'm pointing at you you you. You took picture and behind. It was like her door a mirror photoshop. So you don't even know. But if i showed you the original picture like what. How did they do. I know it looks ridiculous. L. holding the money. I agree you kind of look like you're working at a casino first day on the job and me. I looked like i should be pulling rabbits out of people's ears. You know what i'm saying. I do. I look like a magician. Yeah well there you go you know the would you perform the golden nugget if he wants you fremont street like it's close enough and dude. I got the puffy giuffra. Going in this picture and i have like super dark black hair because i probably got it colored like the day before i mean i just look like an idiot i get it. I do has any different from any other day. I mean look i. I should've gotten a haircut. I should like maybe thought about this picture a little bit more. But now it's become my picture. You could be driving down the freeway right now and all of a sudden you're passing a car dealership and they've got one of those digital ad boards and their eminem pointing at you and you're like why's he pointing at me right. Gosh she kind of looks like a magician. Yeah because you know you teach kids really. Don't point right like that's just the way it works. You don't try to tell kids don't do that. Don't point yeah. I know but sometimes i feel like i walk into a place on. Y'all what's up. I'm in a house. You know and i just start pointing around. I don't know it. Just it's just the thing just happened. Happened fair enough. How do you feel about your the constructive. Criticism of george looks like a guy working to casino floor for the first day. How do you feel about. Yeah i mean. I would imagine. I don't feel bad about it. I feel like yeah. Why not like being. I feel like being a casino. Boss is actually kind of cool. Like maybe it's because i've seen too many movies But i feel like if you are running the casino you you know a lot of things and some things are things that other people would never wanna know because they would either come up in their wildest dreams or worst nightmares. So i kinda like that. To be honest with you and then it is a good question about l. Zito why is he rock in some singles like he just went to a strip club versus. Hon does since that's what we're giving away. That's a great question. I don't know why that's the case. Perhaps we should ask someone in marketing as to why they chose those particular photos. But i can't answer for him because really if you saw who's holding like ten dollars each hand like he's making it rain if he was holding thousand dollars any changes like damn that's seven ten. Espn edges love giving away money like it's the nineties and there's some tech company they just love giving money away. Well this is. I believe that money is fake. Anyway it's not even like real money. Oh it's counterfeit money these holding yes just like fake money you just by a store or something or toy store a store. I don't know yeah. It's not real money. I don't know all amazon somewhere. Yeah let me just say this. L z can hold ones. You can look like a casino boss. I may look like a magician. But i'm gonna say something right now and this may piss people talk to you. I gotta be honest. Yeah copperfield or blame. Because i feel like blaine is like the new copperfield any. I think blaine is cooler. I think but i. But unfortunately i think i look more copperfield. But here's the thing george. We're frigging hot. Okay say what you will point. One dollar bills crossed arms. We're three hot deutz. That i can tell you. As a matter of fact. I would say out of the picture. If you look at the entire picture. S- landscape of like the seven ten radio lineup. Keyshawn jalen zubin. They got travis and see whether they got max. They got mason in ireland. And they've got us. I would say if i had to rank handsome. The one seed in this picture would either be j. Or max. I gotta be honest with you. It's not us okay. Then where do you put us. Where do you rank them. I mean we're probably right there like in that. We're in that next tier. I would say laura. What do you think. J will. And max i would imagine. There's a picture out there that you can see at the actual office. I know it's the banner on these stations. Twitter page to. I think j will and max are like one seeds and then like any of us in like key would be kind of a next year of handsome max for sure jay man. No j doesn't do it. It would be like max al's e you and then key role hold on hold on hold on a second here. Wait a second. Why max i wanna. I wanna start with wimax. Because he's right in. The center in the middle is is gravitate to that mix matches a handsome in. He knows how to rock the five o'clock shadow really. Well i'll go on. I don't know of anyone in media rocks the five o'clock shadow as well as max. Max's hairs always impeccable. He's got really nice. Is to matt max kellerman like he's kind of dream boat that i think about it. Wow you really into max now. Next to max and in the picture even though sleep was head looked shaped it kind of looks like he's done one of those coups ma dyas hair blond look even though as his head is shaved. I don't see it that way. You don't see that you don't see that color at all. No you don't see that how. 'bout mason. I don't know what he's doing with that. That vest that he's rocking. What is that like bourbon. You worked with him. What was mason's idea wearing a vest so that was during mason's time where he was getting all of us he's trying to be a millennial he's having like of his clothes brought in so he could look cooler right from a for people that don't know in this picture. And can we have the the social team janice or whoever just tweet this picture out. So people know what we're talking about they can just go to. Espn los angeles twitter account because mason is wearing one of those like sleeveless puffy jackets on top of like a brooks brothers brooks brothers type button-down. Like this is what he's wearing. He's got he's also rocking his glasses. With the full on anderson cooper white hair. That he thinks is cool. Yeah yeah yeah. Who's going to be defended here because mason island are probably going to be very offended that i would be very offended because they did not make john of the heartless i don't like john considers himself a handsome man. You know like max per se. I think john knows what he's done. John talks about it all the time he. He leveled up with Mrs ireland he knows that says for sure says it all the time between key and mason though being on fourth fifth sixth top four at in that four she had she had max. L. z mean ki-. Like that was never you know yes. You did all right butter zhang not want to hear that. Yeah not you. I y you what do you mean why me. 'cause i'm freaking piece of ass. That's why that's why. I'm relieved that there you are. That's why hi. Laura is because if you look at it the way we're dressed here maximum three piece suit like max again dresses impeccably as well like there's that keanae got little fitted like jackets on it works. You know what i mean. L z. even though that's not lv's greatest attire. I gotta be honest with you. I've seen l z dress. Way better than that. That's very casual. for z. down for elsie very much dress down for z but nonetheless we all know what's underneath that you know what i'm saying and i think that there's no question that we know that l z is by far the most in shape person at this place. It's not even debatable. And in this picture. George l z is standing in front of me and now my point is being block is shoulder. It looks like you're trying to push l z in the back with like. I'm poking him in the shoulder. Yeah like hey. Hey i'm i'm trying to get in front of you but you're also trying to be nice cap parenti. I've been told by a source of air reliable source that max one said on the air he only wears for saatchi. I believe he wears tom. Ford if i recall correctly as a suit person so you are right about. Max's is though. I'm looking at this picture right now. He's a dream boat with those. Is that medicine my soul now. Now one guy who hasn't been mentioned so much. Right now is travis. And he's probably thinking himself. Hello what about me travis. The worries about that kind of nonsense but he's not as vein as the rest of us know. Yeah yeah the rest of us all like everybody's got a little style like he's got his style right max's got his style. You know he goes. Tom ford i go little ted baker on my suits. I don't know what he's got going on there but it's definitely something expensive. I can just tell by the look of it. Yeah and ireland. You know. I don't know i don't know what do you think. Where do you think ireland shops for his his suits ou men's warehouse. That was fair. I actually do think that's probably where he would go. And mario just text me because he worked with maxwell says yes it. Is tom ford. So tom ford is. Because i had this conversation with max ones about his suits and he goes tom. Ford yes as for ireland. He goes to the men's warehouse. I guarantee it. Yeah oh i agree. I agree well. He's that guy's name. What was that guy's name. We used to be the owner. And you'd have on. He would always do those commercials. And you're gonna be had. I guarantee you. Yeah yeah. I remember those old commercials. But i don't remember the guy's name But yeah ireland doesn't care it's like it. Looks nice to him. he's good you know he. He's a little more old school. On the suit. George zimmer that is exactly right. George zimmerman i guarantee it but mason this picture look travis and see. You weren't some polos that's cool. You can rock suppose. I'm good with that. I don't know what masons look is here like. It looks like millennial hipster. But also i used to wear brooks brothers that i think it's stevo semi's like holding a skateboard. He's like what's up. Fellow kids yeah that that's what it feels like that. What is god. Can we get mason on the on the line again. She was just so. I can ask you about this puffy jacket on the only guy who's not getting any love right now is poor zubin zuber's like hello hello. I know i'm being blocked. Here by travis and keyshawn and i'm just kind of background with a big smile on my face. Hello does anybody wanna talk about me. I'm hot too. You know. I mean it's okay. It's a nice looking crew. George yes it's max kellerman though. So they're asking who is the most handsome of the crew. It's max kellerman He's dream boat man. I if you put max kellerman where. I am on the far right. And you put me in the middle. We may have a different answer. Okay thank you kiki. I appreciate one. Just text in and said not mason's one different one says mason. Looks like a cross between a hipster tech guy back so it has been posted to twitter. Page you can see the the picture we're talking about now so feel free to jump in on that. Hey look coming up next. There's big news big big news as far as who the lakers could be targeting with free agency coming in about ten days or so. So we've got that will have that for you. Do not go anywhere. Plus listen during this commercial break because we're going to have the bash for cash liner. And if you hear the call and you're caller for you automatically win a meet and greet a virtual meet and greet with mucus bats. Thanks to our friends body armor and then of course you get a chance to play bash forecasts for two hundred and four hundred dollars today. So that's coming up in three minutes and forty seconds all right. Christopher thank you so much it is time for bash for cash. We have kennedy. Douglas in downey. Of course what's going on guys you doing in one of my favorite cities here in the southland. Downey as everyone knows. So here's the deal Real quick just for being a bash for cash contestant here kenneth you've already won a virtual meet and greet with muggy bets. Are you stoked about that. Oh awesome yeah. Yeah i call. And that's courtesy of our friends at body armor more than a sports drink stock up bardia body armor sports drink at your local albertson's so kaplan is going to explain to kenneth how this thing works kenny. Here's the deal man. You pick a dodger player. Hit a home run and what inning if you get the right player you've got two hundred dollars if you get the right player in the right ending you'll get four hundred dollars but for everybody else out there. If we don't get the correct prediction today. Tomorrow's cash prize goes up to three hundred bucks and six hundred bucks. How about that sounds good to me. What do you got maximum. I wow again. That's like the third day that we got a. Max muncie tears it up against the giants for sure. So kenneth douglas it down. He's got. Max muncie in the first best of luck to you brother. Okay thank you very much. I mean we're gonna put you on hold so hang out there for a second. That's his prediction cap. Max muncie in the first the third straight day we have a max muncie prediction. I now listen. Everybody else makes sure tomorrow. You're here right at this exact same time four fifteen. We'll have another bash for cash contestant and special thanks to our sponsor owning bringing safety and simplicity to refinancing your home visit owning dot com for more info today. All right so now we bring in our little lobby music here and so mason. Apparently is on the line mason there. Yes yes i am. I'm always available to the show will thank you. Thank you for your. I never know what. I'm going to do when i get here. But no no we. We talk about the lakers. 'cause there's big big big rumors about the lakers in their Their roster so we'll get to that. Maybe i didn't hear this all big big big rumors so make sure people stay tuned for that. You know we somehow got into the conversation of the the picture at the station. That is used as the header on twitter and on instagram. Yeah where it has. All of the hosts from all the different shows. Yeah and so we started talking about. Who was the most handsome who would be most upset that they weren't considered most handsome. So laura had a top four. And laura reveal your top four again number one max number two l. The number three sodano no key and then sodano right so key and then me so. I made the final four. None of the rest of you. Did we stumbled upon was because i forgot. This hadn't looked at this picture and longtime may yeah was what your attire looked like so people were wondering what it is you had going. What kind of look you're going for for people that do not know what the look is specifically. You are wearing a button down shirt like a red button-down shirt with a puffy vest. our puffy. it's don't call pi. it's a very and it looked puffy. it's it's not really put puffy. What's described as a stylish stylish. Okay so what were you going for here. Because we had people kind of chime in. That said that you know you were going for like a hipster lumberjack. Look i've tried to get some different. Look like ireland. I knew where the sport code or the suit without. That's like his trademark. You call arms crossed and serious there. I'm looking at one. Look i wanted to different. Look i wanted to look different from everybody else. And i think i've accomplished and the one guy was silver here. I'm the one guy with glasses. And i'm the one guy with a lumberjack. Best looking good looking very very sharp. Steve looking good. Thank you what i like is the people who are on twitter commenting going. Hey mason over here look over this way. We're over say cheese were over here. You're looking at the of louis control over that. Do people think that we all stood together for that we did. They don't that. We've explained that we photoshop but it is it is a strange look is what i would do. They put me sideways. They lodged me in there between between ireland. And max thank god. I'm knicks ireland. Because i know but so bergman what was that you just said to me mace. Let's be honest. you approve your pictures. I don't think i approve this picture value. Absolutely absolutely never. Never get beat tommy lamb. I never never approve. Disapprove of this picture. Would you like to put in a new something. I'd like a new picture. I'd like okay fresh picture. Okay fair enough. I think that would be far more fair by the way travis looks like he just rolled off golf course in his. Might have nine hundred. They're really hey travis. You've got to take a picture. You wanna like shower up and cleanup and freshen up. And he's like no doing kaplan you're like pushing l z out of the way. Is that exactly. He's pushing him on the shoulder again yet. Again a photoshop. And i gotta say that's taking away from my signature point steve. He is a signature pointer. Can i just ask who put this up and why why. Why did this come up today. Was this a an invention resist that picture. Yeah here's what here's pitcher. They're wave of no no. I'm saying why did it come up today with a poll up greg here. I'll explain it. Here's so here's the deal so earlier. Today seven ten puts out a tweet that says look. There's more chance to win. Money today bash for cash. And they've got this picture of the three of us george and els. Anl z's holding dollar bills not hundred dollar bills. Y'all just one dollar bills and then georgia's standing there like you said cross armed and i'm pointing at everybody like why are you pointing at me. And so people start the comment on twitter about what the three of us all look like and that turned into an entire conversation about what the entire station looks. Like and a lot of people are saying on twitter. We look like a realty team like we can sell your house open house tuesday. We're we'd look good on a on a bus bench. No i the follow up tweet by the way what really who will get the most offended if they aren't chosen as the three though that we've chosen you key and cap or probably right on though the rest of care at all. Actually i am the most offended according to People sixty five percent think. I'm the most offended and deeply offend. I worry offended. i would say wounded right. This is going to leave a mark. You are a little bit of a soft soul. Sometimes yes i'm sense hard exterior. Yeah exactly exactly exterior. I if i was to rank them let me let me rank them honestly obviously got me one and me one. I've got jay williams to all. Okay see. I thought jay will deserve to be up to. Laura wasn't feeling them. And i've got travis three just because it looks like he just doesn't and give a rat's before we let you go yes We'll get to the nba finals stuff. I also i think that's the best bet on the board. It is the best bet on the board. I would agree that or shohei in the first to be nice when there's an angel game right yet. So here's here's my question for you. So marc spears. Of the undefeated is reporting that a source told him that the lakers are in on that. They want a veteran point guard and that the two names that have popped up our chris. Paul and russell westbrook yup preference. There is my question. russ's younger right more athletic right more athletic chris. Paul had a rates season. but he's ready yes I think a boy. This would make john ireland. Just jump through the roof. Because it's his favorite player. I think if if you can do a deal a sign and trade for russell westbrook that would be the play. Can you imagine westbrook lebron and ad on the floor at the same time. I would definitely prefer chris paul. Because i would want someone that could at least shoot a little bit from the outside. I know but your window is so i guess your windows very narrow anyway right right because you got lebron. Just probably just past peak. I would need these past peak. Because i do. I don't think he's i think he's slightly past peak. You don't think so after breaking down a couple years. Lebron is on the downside like the trending downside no but no no but trending downside and outside of his peak or two different things. You know what. I'm saying like you think that's two different. I think he's trending down. I think he's trending like anybody what he's thirty six years old but i think he's slightly past peak so i if you're if you're going all in and you wanna win right now i think probably chris paul is the plan. I'm sure lebron would love that. You prefer russell westbrook. But would you give chris paul three years ninety million dollars. Getting all your your. You've got an older lebron and now you would be getting older rather than younger and more athletic. George bring up a good point about skillset but still you're gonna wind up taking a team with their oldest superstar and adding another old superstar to it. Okay well we can debate that on. The other side is already in the meantime. I've i've already put in some time here today. I've worked my ass off. Shows that you can go get a raving about. They've sent straight to the radio museum because it was good today. So and i think we'll probably win another award for this one. Perhaps maybe and maybe a whole new picture will be developed. I you need a new picture. We need a new pick. Okay so no vest we do. You want like some sort of consultant for what you'd be wearing. I wanna stylist okay. Now what everybody famous. That hasn't espn tyler. We can work on that. George i do not know all the big people have styling stylist. I put your next contract next deal next. Maybe you never know. I list all right. Thanks for having me on. It's always great to be on the show. I like to say sodano. L z and cap the state of the art afternoon drive show in los angeles state of the art like that. That is actually the kings of la sportstalk wonderful each and every day because later. So here's the deal. We'll open that up for the audience. Would you rather keep shooter. Would you want crispell. would you want russell westbrook. Is there someone else out there. You'd prefer lonzo ball what those are kind of the options out there for the lakers. Now veteran point guard to me does not mean lonzo ball. That's just me personally. But we'll open it up to you guys plus. I want to get into the finals. The dodgers big night. Lots to come. Plus overrated underrated. All coming up in just a moment. Thank you very much chris. Alright birthday time cap. No time for you to. You're not gonna go. John lovett's or damian marley. I bet you don't even know. Damian marley's damian marley's related to bob marley reggae singer yes he is yes but i don't know his work so i'll i'll say the john lovett is very underrated. He was a great. Snl character lots of funny movies. I like john. Lovett's i think he's funny and since i don't really really know the marley son uncle niece whatever somebody from the marley family. I'll just put him as overrated. Because i will not use my get out of jail free card not yet. He is the youngest son of bob marley. He was too when bob passed away. And i think he. I think he's underrated. Like i've actually heard some of his music. It's relatively impressive. He's performed unlike gnaws in in toward with him like he's really good so i would say underrated. No offense to jon levitz who. I'm sure. he's a fine man but somewhat overrated. He's not even like in my top fifty. Snl characters maybe maybe fifty But that's just it i. I know he like sports radio. So i'm sorry if he's listening but i'm just being real here we're balancing out john. It's all good. I what's next sodano. Last night. i was watching the dodger game at halftime of the nba finals. And joe. davison orel hershiser. We're talking about max munchies. Wife getting ready to have their baby at any moment they then started talking about. How muncie has eight home runs in nine games this season versus the giants and joe says i guess you can say he's already a daddy. Is this overrated or underrated i. The line is underrated line. I like it. I like i like i think. Joe davison orel hershiser have a good thing going like they. They are first of all a fantastic. Listen audibly right like it's just the the always hit the right tone that is necessary for a particular point of the game. I'm a big fan of their work and obviously for the big moments. they're fantastic. They have great are great rapport. Like it's fairly obvious. I'm a big fan of their broadcasts. I've told you. Greg like. I think that that dodger broadcast from top to bottom is fantastic. Fantastic so i'm a big fan. So i would say underrated on the line i'd say overrated on the line. I saw your tweet last night. Greg where you're like. Oh that's such a great line like who's your daddy. He's beating up on the giants. I get it. I think it's cute but it's kinda like everybody thinks their home broadcast is the best broadcast in major league. No no no. But i disagree. I watch a lot of baseball games. And i watch a lot of different broadcasts and i'm not saying this just because i need to be nice. I don't. I don't even know those guys like that But i am telling you they are the best local broadcast there is like. I don't know how you quantify it. I don't know how i don't know. What the metrics personal. it's subjective. But i believe that they are. I'm just saying that. I think a lot of fans think that their home broadcast team is the best because people agreed that they know. So i'm gonna go overrated with the line and it's cute but i think it's overrated. Wow what line would you have come up with. I probably wouldn't have come up with any line. But i still cleverness behind it. Because they're talking about the kid. That's that's not something that every broadcaster can do. That was very well done. Well you know what good for them. They're thinking on their feet. I think they're great too. But you asked me. If it was overrated underrated i took overrated fair enough. What's next one more cap. Let's one more so let's do what's happened today. Jaanus antenna compo- went to chick-fil-a this morning and posted a video with a giant smile on his face. After winning the title he ordered a fifty piece chicken nugget and a large no ice half sprite. Half lemonade is this order. Overrated underrated way. But you missed out the coolest part. Which is he did it on instagram. Live and he told the young lady who was out there getting his order. Hey you're one hundred thousand people watching. Yeah whatever it was so that was the cool part. It wasn't just the orders that he did it all while the trophies in the backseat telling the young lady that she's on instagram. Live like that was the cool part of islam less about the actual food order. And i thought to myself. Did he order. Fifty chicken nuggets. Yeah they're the chick-fil-a ones are like small. Yeah but but i really wondered like did he. Just go and say look. I'm just stopping in. I need fifty nuggets. I need no ice half lemonade sprite. Which i've never had people tell me that's a really good drink when you put together eliminating sprite having done it. I'm gonna say this is underrated. Just because i love the comedy of it. All that jaanus is giving us in that moment like right now. Here's what i'm doing last night. I was winning a championship last night. I was wearing ski goggles last night. I was celebrating and right now. I'm at chick-fil-a. I'm getting a fifty piece and i'm getting a drink with no ice which i thought was hilarious. I'm going underrated. Yeah i agree. I mean i thought it was good. I thought the whole thing was cool. I think is and we'll get into the game here in a second. But i just thought everything is done here over. The last couple of weeks has just made a lot of people. Eat it including myself to some extent he. He didn't worry about the things he couldn't do well. He just went and bullied people in the things he do. Well but we'll touch on that a little bit. We'll open up the phones for you. Marc spears is reporting. That the lakers are interested in a veteran point. Guard chris paul russell. Westbrook names have been discussed according to a source. Which one of those guys would you prefer. would you prefer keeping shooter Do you want maybe alonzo. Is there someone else. We're not thinking of do you wanna trade for damian lillard. I mean stephen was out here saying they should treat for lillard. That's kinda crazy personally but open it up for you. Eight seven seven hundred ten. Espn will dive into the game yesterday. Seven ten espn. I mean it's kind of actually and i love z. obviously l z and. I've worked there for five six years now. But you know i mean. He's not going to be very helpful. National junk food day right like let's be real if there's one day that he actually took the right day off today because i don't feel like he'd be participating now very much his particular conversation. Where's the laura national junk-food day. I know that you're you know you don't eat junk food anymore either. You're not but you're close. But i know that there's gotta be something that is still near and dear to your heart if you had if you had to cheat with one piece of junk food what would it be did it today. Oh it would are vending machine works. It's a bad thing. But i got hot. Cheeto munchies. just curious was it because you were like. Ooh that just sounds really good. And it's national junk-food damage to celebrate or was it like i'm hungry and it's the only thing the only thing that vending machine what what was the reason i- vending machine works to go get water. I was like oh i can. Actually it's filled up. I was like. I hold my god and i've been craving them so i was like you know what it's national junk-food day i can cheat. Today i worked out. I've been working really hard. So i'm gonna go ahead and eats and chips girl george if i were going to say. Hey look at national junk food day in the one thing that i want that i haven't had in a while. That's like one of my favorite things chocolate milkshake with real ice cream. But i'm talking like a large where they start loading up like nine scoops of chocolate ice cream then they fill in with some real whole milk and then they throw on top of it some chocolate syrup in and they blended all up and then it's just you just have to suck it through the straw because it's so thick. Oh my god. I love chocolate milkshake. How about you. I mean both are excellent. now. I'm not a super duper hot cheetos person but i i occasionally dabbled in a hot cheeto. I love i do love me a shake i guess if i was going like a candy bar like my favorite candy bars a little bit obscure. To what mccall it. I love mccullough. But i guess like i love so much so many different kinds of junk food. I love cake. I love cupcakes. Love pizza like so. I literally i work out just so i can occasionally dabble in these things. So i don't feel like i am missing out on these. I try my best to not have them very often. But you know once in a month or so every couple of weeks. I'll have my daughter. They went to trader joe's and they bought they sell like like a sheet cake basically trader. Joe's my wife went with my daughter and she bought just vanilla icing one layer of shake. And she's like daddy look good. I brought and i'm like great. I couldn't resist. I already cut a little square. And i had some so i i mean honestly today's my day because there are so many things i could line up for you i to me. It would have to be in categories. Candy bar category would be watching. Mccall it if it's like some sort of like cake or pie. I would take like cake. We're looking at some sort of random food that you could go purchase for like a dinner setting. It would probably be pizza. Yeah so i mean look. I've got a lot of different things. Greg were you on this before we get to the basketball hari haruko. Gummy bears god. What's what's the first word before dario is grant. Oh oh gotcha. I thought it was gonna be mint chocolate. Something i didn't look mint. Chocolate is good. Simmons are good. But that's not like the go-to peppermint patty to no i don't i don't i'll go there but i'll tell you george one thing before we get to his basketball conversation and take these calls. You're right what you're mccall. It is a very obscure candy bar. But it's a great candy bar because it's got that sort of you know that that rice crispy crunchy. Yeah it's chocolate rice crispy. It's got peanut butter caramel in there. It's delicious good bar so we're going to get to these calls in a second real quick about yesterday in the nba. Finals i again. I tweeted this out yesterday. I kind of alluded to earlier when we were talking. But you know i'm guilty. You're guilty of a kaplan know. Laura greg everybody listening is guilty of this okay and i thought about it when i was watching janas not only during the game at the podium right and i feel like this is something. We all could do a better job of now. It's tougher for us. Because this is part of the job is to be critical and analyze it cetera etc. That's the fans to. But i'm just saying like sometimes we just need to take a step back and i think we need to do a better job of just letting people be themselves now. That could be overarching. Thing that you can take even outside of sports right. I'll give you a perfect example. When i was a kid. My dad was super overbearing on me. I did karate when. I was a kid from the age of five until i was in college. I taught karate to make money to help pay my way through college. And when i was young like you know from the ages of like seven to like sixteen i i was. I was very much in competitive karate where i travel all over the world to compete and fight and do all these things and my dad got to the point where he was just like unbearable so at about twelve years old. I basically told. I don't want you to attend these things. Man looks yeah and later on it. Got better. And as i as i started dabbling in it again as you know college age kid and adult competitively though not as crazy as i was when i was a kid he was. It was fine for him to come back but it needed the blind needed to be drawn because we just don't let people be themselves. We want people to be something that we want them to be. And yannis is the perfect example of that. We don't enjoy like the uniqueness of jaanus all we. We spent way too much time talking about what he couldn't do not marveling enough at the greatness and things that he can do basically jaanus is orlando shack except more perimeter oriented like he can destroy you in the paint with ridiculous pogo style. Athleticism and he seven-foot. It's just insane. And i don't think we've seen anything like him. Shack is not even a perfect comp but orlando shack reminds me of him a little bit. And it's why i've always said why are you making him touch the ball. Twenty three feet away from the rim. Get his ass pay. Get it to them easy and let us gamut on people. And that's what he did. Last night. he put fifty on them. He shot his free throws well. He did all the things that he does. Well this series and stopped worrying about what everyone was saying that he couldn't do and trying to prove them wrong that way and he just made him eat it because he's just a dominant force physically. So i just wanted to say that like we just need to do a better job of recognizing people in general but he happened to be the person that made me think of that yesterday. Yeah and you know he his post-game comments about people say i can't shoot free throws well. Guess what tonight. I hit the free free throws when i needed to hit him. I think you're right george in that this guy. Two weeks ago hyper-extended his knee in the final moments against atlanta. And i remember thinking. Oh my god this whole nba playoffs. All we're talking about is who's available. Who's not y short off season etc. And he might be gone now and when he came back. It wasn't just some symbolic. Hey look i gotta give it a try. Because that's what everybody expects from me. He actually elevated to a new level and at twenty six years old to have all of the accolades in his career and now a champion and by the way we'll get to it. I know a little bit later on. But let's face it. He took his shot at everybody last night. I could've left. I could have joined somebody else. That though i wanna talk about that or on the other side. Let's say that save right. He did take some shots at people. We're going to have that at the top of the hour here at five o'clock i don't wanna go too far down that round with you because i want to save something in you know in the chamber here for something else now earlier we asked. We told you the story. Marc spears of espn and the feed says a sources told him. The lakers are looking for a veteran point guard and the sources told them chris. Paul russell westbrook are two of the names at the top of the list. So i i was just asking the audience one of those guys. Does it do it for you. Which one would you prefer. Would you prefer shooter to stay instead. Would you want someone off the board. Stephen as example of trading a for damian lillard. That seems crazy to me. Lonzo boys who. Who's the one that makes the tickles. Your fancy in that situation. Let's go to king in la king. It's been a long time. Thank you for chiming in brother. What are you got long time. No tall george. And i agree with you on yanni's we need to start appreciate greatness more and stop the. Hey beloved honestly. The lakers don't need c. P. three i. It looks good on paper. It sounds good. But he's not going to get them over the hump. The lakers gotta get russ bring the hometown kid own. Ucla product is the perfect match. I know people say oh rescue. Mvp owners mvp. You're right but i just don't like the fact that he can't king i just don't like the fact that he can't stretch the floor. So here's here's the way i think. Russell westbrook works okay. So i'll meet you halfway. I think russell westbrook works. If anthony davis is committed to playing center the whole time. Right right that's gotta be the thing in also they gotta get more shooters on the floor around. A and brian was shooting right. So i can good to talk to you. Brother take care. Let's go to jason downey jason. Now you want westbrook to grow brody home. I know a lot of people. Say he can't really shoot the ball but we gotta remember. He's not going to be the best player on our team. So if they include like a trade for him on with it and and especially now everyone was saying was in in washington. It's all this is bringing home and We do that. Can that can at least score. He's walking triple double brown these the bench and and he can jump up about. I get a laker journey. Numbers there for brody boy. I'd see it. There is a guy that already wear zero. I don't know if people remember that may not be here. Who is it took lakers out of his bio and is johnny in long beach. Johnny what's up donna cap. Laura greg awesome love this show. I just eat thank you right. I mean that's to me that's a great way to live. You know what i mean. Um but my my point is they better make something happen. Because now the cruise t h shorter. They all hear. These rumors is just gonna be like low like when the c. p. Three knicks train went down. Not talking to be there like on your shopping us around. Yeah yeah well. I look i think that in johnny. Thank you for the call appreciate you. I think all these guys need to know that they're on notice. I don't think it's necessarily a shock to their system at this point. Maybe someone if if they had include horton tucker someone like that. Maybe that changes things. But i think that young man just you know. He wants to do his thing because he wants to make sure that he collects and he deserves to collect at this point so all been it up. Eight seven seven hundred ten. Espn give us your junk food. Today's national junk-food your go-to junk food. If i give you one chance to cheat meal or a cheat junk food candy bar ice cream you know check whatever. It is pizza. Burger hit us up. Tell us what it is. Give us a specific and answers. You can't and also. What do you want the lakers to do at this point guard position Will continue cap mentioned. That janas is called some people out. 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Hour 3: The Usual Suspects... The Jets

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Hour 3: The Usual Suspects... The Jets

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We're talking about zack. Wilson trae land time. The forty niners. So zach wilson is now. The only unsigned first round. Pick the you're camp yesterday. You spoke to c. j. mosey. Tell us what's going on with zak. Yeah we heard to c. J. moseley sound coming in about you know. It's a nothing burger for him. He's been around the block a couple of times so there's no need to play that sound but we heard c. j. moldy kind of looting to listen this business and at some point every player is going to have to have some language or a contract negotiation. You don't really get into web another man's money but you know really to explain to the listeners. Out there really what. It's all about really. What is it about is the ability to double dip. You see that you know. Everybody assumed that three you know what three years ago for. Four years ago. This point that sound ronald was going to be a franchise quarterback that didn't happen right down in carolina and with he could've had the ability to double dip double deputies. Just simply means that you know the contract is guaranteed and when you go down to another team. You got opportunity get paid to organizations. There's something that the jets have never really agreed to in a body by some some organizations are a little bit more optimistic. But you'll understand what the jetsons little scar tissue there right. you know. They brought in quarterback jobs You know Mark sanchez didn't last. That long. right. You look at what happened. Chat penitent and lasts that long so they have little scar tissue there but for me. You know it's nothing burger. They'll get this thing figured out. In a couple of days. I was at camp in the team. Look look fat right so you can say that the organization has dropped the ball. And you don't want to have a distract you want to get your starter because we know is not a quarterback competition in new york. We know that he's a star. Hell you know the other. Two guys on the roster. I think james morgan. I forget the other kid. don't have any. Nfl starts l. You expect him to get a veteran in there but you know they have done a great job in providing protection doing something they didn't do for sam darnold you know going out and getting Morgan moles is gonna get bear. Tucker becton looks like a beach right look slim and trim. He has an unofficial. Wait you gotta watch out for the guys for the unofficial way. All we know is any reporter at the weight that was agreed upon. But you know you really think about michael carter. So they've done a good job. And not putting it all on. Zach wilson coming in and you know. I was fortunate enough to to bring in two rookie quarterback and joe flacco mark sanchez. And all we did was go to f championships. This isn't that type of team. But i think sal has been the right direction. I think eventually they get this figured out. And we'll forget about it so if i have this correctly. This isn't about the money. He slotted already to get a four year thirty five million dollar deal something around that if they cut him before the end of his contract and he goes to another team. If they don't include this language he can not only collect under the guaranteed value. The contract you'd have the jets but also the money he would get with the new team they want prevent prevent that from happening and this is something that the jets kind of told the line on. They haven't done this under the joe. Douglas era they haven't changed that policy so they're trying to tell that line. But sam i look at this and i wonder about the optics of it. Everybody else in the first round is in camp. The jets have all this hope pinned on zach wilson and yet when they look at their team their star is not in camp and by the way. There's no veteran behind him. At this point no real veteran. Who's been around for decades. It takes place that if you're watching training camp not even there yet at home working working gonna. If you're listening right on the car to your workout wait get your money. Roquan smith roquan chicago. Bears roquan smith first round pig similar language. You add away now. All of a sudden fans saying what's up with our first round. Pick it coaches whatever but all the players in the locker room had his back because we all understood that if we were in that position we would do the same thing. Why not wait another week or two or three to get the money. That really belongs to you. That should be guaranteed as opposed to saying you know what. Let me just sign backside. Come back to training camp a day or two later. You talk about number one these reps right. The reps are important breath. What i think is even more important is the fact. That zach wilson is the guy we know that he's the guy moving forward. There's no there's no doubt about it but you don't need to rush this thing at all don't rush Wait take your time. Get the contract you need. And then lastly. I think what's most important. Is that if the jets are so concerned with this offset right. I don't want if i release him after a year or two or three. I don't wanna have to still pay him if you don't trust them. Then why would you even draft him. Firstly secondly secondly. Why don't you get better coaches to coach him. What i mean like so what you're telling me. The new york jets organization is at you. They don't trust your evaluation and how you evaluate talent number one or number two. You don't trust your coaches in developing talat. If you're so concerned about paying the sky the guaranteed money that he's earned that he's deserved at least the contract stipulates are should stipulating. Then i would be questioning your own decision making in drafting him. Well what they're going to tell you is we. Don't want to set a precedent and really feels to me as a lawyer write like a lawyer. The one thing. I always did when i was practicing law. I always said if we had a problem if i was on a team. If i was on organizational side. I would say if we've been doing something this way for ten twenty years. Do not change it because once we change it. Everybody's gonna ask for it. But i think you make a good point because here's the deal. This is all based on paying him if you cut him before the end of his term. He's the number two pick in the draft. What are the chances. Where's the number that they are gonna cut him. Where's the number. What are the chances that's going to happen. Where's the number three. That didn't work right. trade him. Yeah where's the way haskins at right now right. It's a good point. Check this out. Check this out. This is something that we say the jets have been doing for what ten twenty years or however long how long. Maybe it's under joe. Douglas term. We we're not sure great. The jets haven't been good for however long so so i mean it's been a minute bar it's been so you've got you've been gone for about fifteen twelve roy jones. Y'all got the jets haven't been good says bartlett. No since however long. And so. I i hear what you're saying ryan okay. We don't want to set a precedent. But what if you set a winning precedent. What have you sort of precedent that actually builds culture and that builds a winning organization. What if that was the precedent you said. We all have agents wherever you ever football asia. Tv whatever right. Y'all have agents org if you're in the business world you might be negotiating for yourself right. People say you don't want to set a precedent but but what are we here earlier. Production equals tolerance. They obviously drafted him. Second overall for a reason you might say has produced in the nfl but he produced in college. You need him and so you can. You can bend the rules a little bit. I in my in my contracts you bend the rules. Hey this is the president but hey man come on. Let's make something happen. And so there's no pressure. Zach wilson for listening at home working out. There is no pressure literally the same shoes with roquan smith. Our first round pick. Who who who should have been a pro bowler got snubbed. Amazing amazing inside linebacker for the chicago bears. He waited. He waited and got the contract that he wanted. And yes he might have missed a week or two of training camp. And you might sit here and say well. That's just the linebacker and it's not the quarterback. It doesn't matter. Wait three weeks to help you for the next three four or five years you know. Deadline breeds action right in. You know you know that the close get the preseason. They know how important those reps are though right now. Those reps aren't important. I was there. Listen to team. Didn't have on patch. You know it was an hour and twenty minute practice. He's been there for all the ta's he's learning the playbook. I don't think he's probably working out. I think he's in town somewhere. Probably waiting for things to be finalized. But that's why you hire your agent right to do the dirty work for you because he's advising you because you can't make business decisions which are emotions and right now. He's going to have to fight for what he believes in it. That's what they believe in to. He'll he wants to die on then so bid. I have no problem with that. I don't think his teammates does do either you about the idea of veteran quarterback behind him because mike white was leading the practices and i know viewers are saying mike white. Who who. who's the quarterback. That was news to me because i don't even know my wife. Shouldn't you bring in a veteran. Shouldn't there be melissa. Slow down to break up the brakes from china. China's that's it no no. I'm just trying to channel jets fans who when they saw zach. Wilson drafted a lot of more like. We're back not bad now. Where is he where. There's no vet behind him. Well they reset the market right so not a reset their time line in in recent years away you win is not paying your rookie quarterback sam darnold timeline now did they didn't believe in san antonio the time line between the team ready to win him being ready to carry a team and pay him you know it was out of the line right. That's why lead. Jamal alums goes well. Because you're gonna have great players still be a bad team. You know. Calvin johnson khalil. Mack is examples of that right. But you know you wanna make sure that you have a supporting foundation around a young quarterback and now that they're better equipped to support a young quarterback with what they've done with the office align the run game and build something slowly. But you know there's no need to panic because understand it it's going to be guys says because whole it's a whole secondary market. The first cuts are usually veterans that team respect because they wanna give them opportunity to get get a job. I've been sampled for for probably about three months. That nick foles is on a collision course of where green again. But it won't be philadelphia. It would be what the jets and then maybe they may have to fight for it services a little bit blake. Bortles is out there. It's going to be some veteran quarterbacks. Get cut that can really pick up a system really fast. But if you're back with your backup quarterback you're going to be picking high in the draft anyway so it doesn't matter so you don't wanna rush wilson because this is about a three year window in which you wanna try and take advantage of him being on a rookie deal but you can really support in low contracts for a lot of supporting cast. They wanna get so when you have the backload his contract or pay his contract all the contracts lined up. You can have a young team that can be have a window for three or four years and by the way all this puts pressure on the head. Coach robert saleh. He was talking about this yesterday. What he thinks about. Zack wilson not being in camp. Take a listen to this from a rookie standpoint unions. Many representative can veterans. Always get off days here and there anyway so they do miss but I it is. It's it's It's something that he'll have to navigate through and And i i've got a lot of faith to you know he's a he's he's incredibly intelligent. He's got a tremendous wa- drive so when he does get here. I know that somehow someway he'll make up for it so not a fun position to be in for first year head coach. Sam yeah but i got no issues robert sal as he's got wait right. If you've played this game you understand that fans jets jets fans first and foremost right. Yes you might be excited about sack. Wilson shore great. But put yourself in the shoes of zach wilson if we could just kinda just set the table real quick. Put yourself in the shoes of an nfl player who everyone else around. The league is getting a contract and now all of a sudden the team that you want to play for. You can't wait. I mean take a page out of aaron rodgers playbook like you can't wait to go play for these jets. You just want them to do right by you. You want them to do right by you. And your family. You don't wanna be in a situation where let's say. The coaching didn't work out. Let's say you were doing everything you could see. Coach gets fired coordinator gets fire. Something alvis sudden you get thrown to the you get cast aside and you don't get the contract when everyone else is getting their contracts guaranteed with no offset language. And so if. I'm a jets fan. First and foremost you got to understand. Zach wilson missing a week or two of training. Camp is fine even three or four. I and i can't see. How can i say i'm gonna say my only thing is like take. Take a page out of aaron rodgers playbook right we all said my my tannenbaum said man you watch you learn we. Listen take that approach air. Roger said there's some things that need to be done better so new york jets obviously has some things they need to do better. Maybe this can be the first step of many in showing jets players. Hey we care about you. Hey this is a partnership. Hey we we believe in you for the next four years really five because he's a rookie in first round and the team has that option right so we are with you. We are you. We're not going to try to cut anything short. I also think and this is kind of mincing words a little bit especially when you talk about precedent. There is room sometimes say. We're going to set a precedent for this quarterback or this top five draft. Now that's a little bit of a dangerous slippery. Slope is going to be like two years from now. The guy who's number six pick for the jets could say well you did it for the top five but still there is room there but i want to say about this offset and these contracts stalemates. Let's not forget in two thousand sixteen. Joey bosa had this offset issue was san diego and that man didn't come in until late august now he ended up. Being an incredible player had a great season. I get that part. But we're talking about the quarterback. And i'm not trying to say he didn't have an uphill battle but we're talking about the quarterback offense is to learn. Gotta get the reps and we're talking about barbara. I know you're saying he could come back any day. Now but the flip side of that is. It doesn't happen until late. August like it did with joey. Bosa and your organization just severely hamster. It'd be a loss year at that point. Because now you have to not only is hard to evaluate zag but it's even harder to evaluate the roster that you put together what i love about what they've done with this team is they created competition it every position right they have you know four or five slot receiver. Everyone talk about co. You wanna talk about larger more. James crowded has been there. You think about the competition that they have running back you know. This is a young rosser. Maybe i believe the youngest roster in the league right now and listen they. They're going to have some growing pains and this is a far from A finished product. Joe douglas you know from the. I is news some school you know. He's come from that from that organization. He knows how to build a team. And he's doing he's building the trenches you can say you know arguably the jets might have a top fifteen offense and defense allow joe. Doug the former offense lima understand how you can have sustainable success with all those luxury pieces on the outside all those foundation pieces. Every house needs a strong base basement. So so i've got a question if it's so important for us to have our quarterback in the building why don't we just give him what he wants. Even if it sets a bad precedent it's a second overall pick. We're trying to change our co. it's so important. We had sit with. The draft was in april may june july. He was at as you notice. We knew it was coming. I'm just saying. I just want because people think man we've got assigned zach will so where are you and your is no if it's so important. Gm joe douglas get it done. you know. just fans are patient right. They they've said through our well. I'm talking from a player perspective as patient on. No what i'm saying is they've seen. Where's rivas island. They've watched three episodes heart knocks three weeks and re meeting them on. You know some some rest stop right. They've seen they've seen the mini holdouts before. I don't think they're gonna panic but let's act to people all right. Let's ask the people why not. Let's bring in our callers anthony in ohio. Anthony talk to us about zack wilson. What's your question. Okay first of all put out there. That i have much respect for the athletes in the nfl. They deserve the money. They get this their life. They have a short career. They entertain cities. Bring around. These guys are actual heroes. I really support the athletes in the labor. So that being said you can't change the philosophy of routine for one player. It's still a team sport. If you're not confident your ability. I mean if he's competent as ability. He knows he's not going to get cut in four years. You know they look at all right. Does go both ways. Because they're not confident in air billy evaluate then they should say well we know we got this one right. I agree with you but look at the track record trubisky. Meaning how many good years at this kid having college. How proven indies. I'm a browns fan. So you know. I've seen a lot of number. One draft picks disappear not honest. It's hard to evaluate that next level. And i think i think that goes back to coaching person. I love this. I love this. Thank you for that call. That was a great call. Yeah thank you for the call. I love the perspective. I said man. I respect players. I want them to get their money. They earned it but the point he made. He said if you believe in yourself in your in your abilities then you'll you'll bet on yourself in so many ways but a lot of people may not understand. Is that so much of what happens on a football field has less to do with you in your abilities and more to do with oftentimes with those around you with your coaches with the staff with the gm of the situation at the system situation in chicago plan with the guy a really talented outside linebackers who cornell fee okay there we go for now mcphee ring receipts and cornell talented but. He's like back. When i was in baltimore i was on the inside inside outside like see was the daria smith in green bay but chicago had a different kind of system. We want you only on the outside. The gm said men. You'll be inside outside whatever but the defensive coordinator said no. I want you here. You're at an impasse. What do you do and so even though cornell believes in his abilities he didn't get really chance to do what he wants to do. And now he's back in be more as he says his volunteers and he's balling out so sometimes it's not always about you the player you might be the mot- the best player in the world but if you're in the wrong system it doesn't always fit and so that's why it's a great point that players. You should believe in your abilities but what happens if the coordinator isn't right is making adjustments if your quarterback coach is the best quarterback coach. What happens when they're not putting you in a position if if the training staff athletic training staff. Let's say you have an injury and they don't treat it the right way then. All of a sudden that's not on. You did everything you possibly could yet is still didn't work out so for a player and that's why i love. We need to have more people calling it because is a great question for from a player's perspective. So much out of your control. You will do whatever you can do for the stuff. That's out of my control. Please give me my guaranteed contract like everyone else. I don't want anything offset for this time. So this is like burger king. You get your away. All you have to do is look into your one shot. Look into the camera until the people to call in people people call in this the cage as easy but it is a ryan. Bars are really are bs ryan. Barna said like that. Call in. Because i mean this is we do this for the people is i. Don't do what we do it for the people. You wanna talk to chocolate. Drop call owner. What's the what's the number call chocolate. One eight eight eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. You know what this is also about guys as we look at this and you talk about why not just why not. Just bring them in. Why not just give them this from the team perspective. They think he's going to cave. That's what you doing negotiation you as the team. You sit back and you say he knows he needs to get the reps. He knows who the fans look at in terms of performance. They're not looking at me behind my desk back in the office all the way in the back of the stadium. They're looking at the on. The field threw three interceptions struggle. The in here and get the red so he needs to come into camp. He's gonna cave so legacy. That game negotiation works great perfect amazing and that's a business decision that the team is making correct. Various negotiates the goes and so that wilson is doing the same thing. He's negotiate aaron rodgers. Doing the same thing. It's a negotiation. And so so. I just want 'cause fans i love fans we do this for the people. Y'all call in one eight hundred say in good call us. We could talk but like let's. Let's just pretend that the players only person that that that's on this negotiation the team if this scenario is low key trying to make the player cave or look bad. Give the player. His property led him negotiate. Lettuce go she ate. We all know that. 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Let's get to some three four hundred man that's coming up later in the nine o'clock hour all right so we got the nba draft coming up tonight. And what a draft it's gonna be. Kate cunningham ball arch fired up over it. If kate cunningham by the way is the number one pick he will be oklahoma. State's first number. One pick sends bob harris back in nineteen forty five sixty some years ago so it could be a big night for oklahoma state basketball and that's why we are so pleased to have with us right now. Head coach mike burton oklahoma state basketball coach. The man who made help make cade cunningham who. He is today coach. Thank you so much for joining us. Appreciate it appreciate you guys have so obviously really exciting day for the skin this family but also walk program so we look forward to tonight absolutely coach so tell us right away straight off. What makes kate cunningham. So special he's gotta unique combination of mets talent. Obviously tremendous hard work work ethic that's been unmatched by any other kid coach. But with all his talent He's got a sense of humility also and he understands the value of teammates and the necessity of having other people helped him achieve success. And so it's so rare to kiss just nineteen years old still but his carried so many expectations almost seamlessly and I'm sure there's transition to the nba will present some challenges for him. He's going to have that one as well coach. Not only the town of maybe they may have been the first overall pick but also being a savior of the detroit pistons. I'm speaking out into exist. It's been a detroit native. What kind of leader are they getting. Because he's going to be forced to kind of step up in that leadership role early in his career. We certainly a food. Detroit takes them. We believe he's the best prospect in his draft brings so many things that are table. And i think coming into a situation in detroit where he's got a good y'all core will be somewhat similar to what he had here at oklahoma state last year. We had a lot of young talent but he was asked to really kind of lead us and you know he did it with very little challenge In his way he was the big twelve freshman and player. The led the league in scoring. But he'd made his teammates better. And i think he's gonna bring a winning attitude in mentality and a winning work ethic so the detroit pistons organization that they're gonna be really proud that tonight coach. You know cade better probably than anyone that we're going to get a chance to talk to today or the last couple of weeks. Is there a story about cade that no one knows that you would say men. This is the kind of guy that detroit or whoever drafts him is getting to. And i'll be quick as i know how. Tv thomas but The the day after his first ever cows basketball game. He had twenty five points on a role in his hometown And it was the day before thanksgiving so we get back late. That wednesday night usually come into the office to work out early myself and i hear a ball bouncing at about seven. Am the day. After his first game he played well And i didn't expect to be k. But i walked into the gym. That was him just in there. He wasn't very happy with how fishing here play. He felt like he play a little nervously of. But that's kinda goes to show you the of work ethic guy. He has is that he wasn't satisfied with scoring twenty five points in his college. debut the other one is the last regular season game replayed k. Didn't play in. You actually wrote his ankle the game before against baylor on the road at west virginia. He wasn't gonna play And i had cade kind of be an assistant coach for me. He was asked into that game as anybody wasn't our bench because he wanted to see his teammates. No they could have success even if he wasn't playing so he's going to always aspire guys around him but he's gonna always do it with a sense of humility and his work ethic is always speak for so coach. You've been around basketball for really long time and in a lot of people try to compare k. To different people. Some have said like luca and you might say man. There's some paul pierce like you know the game of basketball. Who would you when you watch. Not even like who. Would you pay your watching like. I'm sure this sounds like man that reminds me of x. Who does cade cunningham. Remind you of when you watch him practice and play. It'd be perfectly honest. I really don't like the comparison game But i understand it right. Kinda give ourselves some reference points or what we think he can become a black comparative to luca. I'm not sure we know what luke is yet. I mean he's really really good but he's just two years into this thing but i see what they mean. What they you know kinda why they compare the size. He doesn't have this ridiculous Like explosively but he's splitting good enough athlete. He can really really pass is a great rebound. He has really good overall game. So i can understand that. The lou comparisons. I understand what people try to compare the deal with his size and his ability to score and make place for teammates I heard people talk jason. Tatum cave thinks score as much as jason does. But i can see some of that as well because he can't play the polls pretty efficiently as well coach. I you know. I think there's so much excitement around cade and a lot of the topics. But i think we always have to let people know. Look these guys. And you mentioned it with luca. They're not finished products. Right case is going to go to the nba. And he's gonna learn a lot of things he's going to have a lot of things to learn. So what do you think is the biggest challenge. He's going to face coming into the nba in terms of his game. What the first thing is everybody's as good as he is right now and so in high school for sure. I was a big big gap between his talent and the talent of guys who was either playing with all competing against and in college. The gap stroke. But not as much as it's gonna strength tonight right. He's gonna be guys even though they haven't been all stars for ten years that are capable of having success okay is going to have to adjust talent level is going to have to continue to be a more efficient three point shooter which we will very intentional about working on with them. Last year he became a forty percent. Three point shooter. And he's going to have to be more consistent getting to the fruit the line at converting when he gets there. Because that's a big car had been able to school at the nba level. Tonight's going to be a tremendous recruiting tool for your for your program with k. Going on a representing organization Do you have any concerns about the shifts of the big twelve and you know the conference and everything that's happened there. How could affect maybe recruiting for you. You know naive or dishonest. If i was to say i wasn't obviously attention. But i'm also a person who i don't put a whole lot of lose much sleep over. Thanks to have no control over. You know commissioner. Both in the leadership conference our leadership on campus. They're going to make that decision. Probably would very much input for me. So i'm going to turn plus them that they're going to do what's best for both the big slough bank what leadership internally. Alcohol stages do for university and. I'll do whatever they asked me do. But i'm looking forward to saying how a program can elevate after tonight's great news aquinas family. Because i do expect him to go. I think he's going to have a great career and it'll just miss out to other kids out. Did no matter how good you are. Well mistakes place that you can go to it. all right. looks like we lost coach. There he was on face. Time with us coaches great to speak to oklahoma state basketball coach. mike boynton. Overstate is a place that you can go to have success right. And the people don't people don't over over could be a number one overall pick and think about coach. Mike boyne right oklahoma. Say you don't think oklahoma state premier basketball program or say you think football more often than not but this coach said. Hey you don't always have to go to the dukes to the north carolina's or to the kentucky's you can come to a place like oklahoma state and still be number one overall. I think that sends a powerful message especially bart to your question of all the conference. Realignment and the super conferences at nfl. And all this money. Sometimes it's not always about going to that top school. I know i hadn't experienced rag offered. I'm sure you've got offers from everywhere. But i got offer from usc. At that point they were the number one school in football right. Reggie bush matt line or whatever and i said no and granted i went to texas. Which should be usc but like but at the same time like you don't always remember lopes in texas. Just big ones usc. Nobody nobody. But i i just love that point that he like humility right he talked about. Hey i don't like the comparison game the media. We love the comparison. What we have to decide what we do something to refer to people who are parachute fans to kind of understand what they're looking at. Yeah but i love how he said man like. I understand how they make the comparison but he was honest. He said we worked on his three point shooting. He's more of a passer than he is a score like a jason so i really respect coach boy and thank you for coming on and and yeah i love perspective. You can come to a place like oklahoma state player development to yes. We got guys who have basketball accurate. Who can develop your game and can take you to the next level. You don't have to go to these big schools. You may not get opportunity as some of these schools. You come here. we're gonna develop you. We're going to plug on these holes. All players out. That was oklahoma state coach. Mike boyne did a great job being with us just now. The goodyear hotline keyshawn jay williams zubin is presented by progressive insurance and a reminder. You can find out where kate cunningham gets drafted the toy basketball. The nba draft on espn radio is presented by credit karma coverage begins tonight at seven pm eastern on most espn radio stations and the espn app and know. Also say this about coach. He was very honest about what kate cunningham has to work on the next level and a lot of coaches. Are they going to say like now. This guy is not going to say. They're perfect but they're going to say look. He's got all the tools he just has to be a better player. He said you know he's gonna work on this getting to the line. He's going to have to understand the big thing. Everybody on the next level is just as good as you are. You can tell that. He's taught him a lot of humility. I think it's gonna make a great leader. No matter where he goes there are so many People listening right now. Their kids play. Au they're trying to have their kids go to the next level in anything and soccer and baseball in in in anything and lacrosse. Find a coast like mike. Bordin find it find coach. It's going to be honest with you. That's going to be real. That's gonna come into the gym. Early is gonna get you better find report being and repeating go. It's not always about the program. It's about the people. Find the people who can successes and your san macho just a little while. He looked into the camera. He did same. Ostriches looking into the camera not long ago. 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Well keyshawn j. will zubin back with you. Presented by progressive insurance ryan. Smith bart scott san macho with you and just remember sam. He looked in the camera and he asked you guys to call in and so this is your chance. Ask sam. ask bar anything as bar. Anything is brought to you by goldman sachs open. A high yield online savings account for marcus goldman sachs bank. Usa member fdic. But now is your chance to weigh in and we just played some sound from aaron rodgers. So let's bring in daryl from virginia beach darrow. What's your thought. Or question on. Aaron rodgers man this guy. Aaron rodgers has pulled the ultimate. Shell game on all of you. Nobody's talking about them. Going to the super bowl winning super bowl. Nobody's talking about back their back. Thirteen and three seasons. Nobody's talking about how tom brady. The man with seven rings seven swords went to york deal home game playoffs conference championship. Your defense gave three turnovers and you didn't get it done. Nobody's talking about. Hey air and. Tom went to his team. I share with them. Your team had a better record than him and he got to the super bowl teen in three. And it's the gm spot. I don't have enough if this guy would have made it to the super bowl and they lost the super bowl then he would be saying. Oh i still don't have enough. Em spots you wanna know why he didn't remember talking about he didn't have enough remember. Who dropped the ball in zero. Was the lazard right now. Desk the difference between having a good receiver having a great receiver. They had an opportunity to upgrade the roster. Okay if you don't like the joint love pick but how about come on thunder thighs come. Did we really need. Aj dylan do. We really need a yard and the dust. We had aaron jones that was able to give us that work. Because you give me a receivers you think about all the great receivers. Most of them are picked in the second round. Now right because i think deposition translates just as well as the running back position used to translate into the nfl early on because in college everybody stolen the ball anywhere from forty to fifty times a game so receivers are used as reading coverage is better now. They used to being able to come out and find holes zones because they get more opportunities in college. But i liked darryl's call. He's saying he's playing shell game on us. And darryl came out with the fire a daryl. I'll know where you live. I'll know where you're from but you need your own show my friend because you came out with the heat you make a really really really really good. Point so darrow. Set woman joe so because we ask them to call and we said hey. We're doing this for the people. Daryl you are the people all we called in. He said he needed more pieces right. I think the point that darryl is making is that in the nfc championship game. When tom brady threw three interceptions right. That defense has been kinda just people have been saying. It's bad for three interceptions on tom brady. And also it's third and eight goal from the yard line with a little over two minutes left and instead of running. Aaron rodgers had an opportunity to do okay. he threw the ball right. I think we're daryl's getting at is man the week before in the game when they played. The rams and aaron rodgers was toward the goal. Line saw leonard. Floyd super athletic outside linebacker boom gain the pump. Fake juta scored a touchdown. You didn't do that the next week. And then the team decides to kick a field goal. Who was that you got the bad. The planet unit ball eras zan. But that's not air. Rogers call true. But i think what darrell. They're they're they're out ter der der on my beginning at is. The ball was in his hands on that third goal from eight yard. Line could have done something since he thought it was four down territory and took the ball out of the batman hands. And you put it into godal. Darryl still still here he's here and you guys think you want to get more dare go ahead darryl your back. We need you talk to me. Talk your the people there we need. You got four is what do you think so far. Hey what i'm thinking is. There's only one man that gets to sit down at the table and we know who that man is. The man with seven rings. Joe montana considered at the table. Terry bradshaw can sit at the table. Peyton manning. I'll let eli said table. You ain't won a super bowl for me ten years you might get back an open the back bench but hell eight months ago bar was crying in the shawn watson know super bowl no play when he deserves to be telling the owner. What do come on man. All right so point harold. Thank you call daryl. Thanks for the call. I was a great call. Point is daryl's point here is. It's been a long time since. Aaron rodgers delivered a super bowl. And daryl i think is also making the point of. It's about everybody but aaron rodgers. And that's what he sees as part of the show game. I don't know if i agree with it though. Well let's not let's not because there was a little bit little bit crazy at the little. Let's not forget air. Rogers does have three. Mvp's right let's not forget. Rodgers did just win an mvp after they drafted his replacement. So let's not forget air. Roger still put up. I think it was what fifty two total touchdowns last year. Aaron rodgers is still playing at if phenomenal level. His career is no reconsider win. Another one or two super bowl right and so and so tom brady yes i get it. We love it right to say okay. He oh he's in that same conversation he he's been right. I know what i'm saying. This era talking about so i met. You need your show. But now we're gonna keep hearing from your next and sid one. John already wasn't it. Let me let me should want team already be concerned about their quarterback. The people need to know. That's next on jalen zubin on espn radio and siriusxm channel. 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Hour 1: Coming To Terms

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Hour 1: Coming To Terms

"Gatorade knows there's no one path and athlete takes to unlock their true greatness for decay. Metcalf greatness starts with early morning grind going hard when everybody else wants to quit for world. Record-breaking track star sidney mclaughlin. it's all about setting a goal working hard every day to shatter it and for jason. Tatum greatness starts with giving everything to live up to the legends. That came before him. Whatever path you take to greatness. Gatorade is there to help fuel it. Because greatness starts g g sanjay willing to with the podcast at today's the day packers report training camp and we have got some news for you. Geez heads it's a good day to wake up a packers fan. That is for sure. This is key sean. Jalen zubin and we're presented by progressive. Insurance guests will join us on the good your hotline. My name is shay cornet. His name is jordan cornet. We're holding down for the guys over the next day. Plus so i set it today to cheesehead and that is for sure. According to multiple reports aaron rodgers has arrived in green bay on a private plane. Don don't wait is over folks your. Mvp quarterback is back in the green and gold. And i am sure fans all over. The state of wisconsin are rejoicing this morning. But how did we get here. Well let them tell you. As of last week aaron rodgers plan was not to show up to training camp and to not play this season and the talks intensified over the weekend to the point where they offered. The packers did enough in the way of concessions to get aaron rodgers to change his stance. The stance was no go. That was the plan and the plan changed as it sometimes can. When training camp approaches plans change and so aaron rodgers now will be with the green bay packers at least for this coming year. It's time for straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless jay here. The details really quickly the twenty twenty three year and rogers contract last one and his current deal would be voided with no tags allowed in the future. Packers would agree to review roger situation at the end of this season chipper. Not ship rogers contract would be adjusted with no loss of income to give the packers more cap room and mechanisms would be in place to address rogers issues with the team. So all this to say what say you will. The winner in this thing is what everybody's talking about right. The winner in this one has to be green bay packers green bay packers get their guy rating. Mvp back they now become the contenders again that everybody assumed them to be devante. Atoms probably falls in light as well. Enter your top receiver and you've got a year to try and make this thing even more amicable and maybe a stronger relationship to keep. Aaron rodgers pass this season so you you say she ate the desire of your fans. You make your team that contender and you bring back the most out to player. You could argue in the nfl. Aaron rodgers the biggest win to for green bay. Is you found a way. Communicate with. Aaron rodgers congratulate. You found a way to get through insane. Now let's work cohesively. Let's come together for the good of this football team and let's go win. Some games and getting to that point is a massive win. Now you're on the clock for three sixty five. You gotta go out there and win during the season but you also gotta find ways to prove they. Aaron rodgers should stay there after your fractured that relationship. This happened in the state of wisconsin. Already once right jaanus was a guy not nearly as disgruntled but had a wandering. I and you had to prove to him. You put together a proper team to keep it in wisconsin more specifically milwaukee with the bucks. They did that. And we know how it played out can the packers emulate what happened with the bucks. Let's see the only difference. I'll say there is. Obviously they had to build around yannis to help him out with the packers they needed to build towards what roger was looking for and then to help him out like he wasn't asking for a ton of free agents yes he wanted to sign his guy. Devante adam he wanted help on the offensive side of the ball but at the end of the day he won and more freedom in his contract when all was said and done but he was disgruntled up. Until then i think is what you're saying the end of the contract. The the caveats are the bullet points in there was mechanisms to address team issues. Check those mechanisms to address issues looms large in my opinion. Because i think you need to prove to air rogers. Hey we didn't go bolster this roster like you want it. We thought your best football was behind you. We need to secure our future as management is expected to do by going to get your in love. You proved us wrong. You proved us very wrong. You turn it in an mvp season and we are on the doorstep of getting to the super bowl. You've clearly got a lot left so now that you've took the misstep before now you have three hundred sixty five days to prove to aaron rodgers. We can kind of make this thing. Right let's fix what we did wrong. We've come together to this point to secure you for one. more year. mechanisms at the bottom mechanisms will be put in place to address rogers issues with the team. Can they do that. And how i think becomes a big question. Okay so the way we started. This conversation was kinda. Who's the winner in this situation. And and the answer is definitely the packers. However i do think you're right. It took some communication and a little bit of compromise here. First of all a week ago. I was sitting right in this various seat when i was reading the breaking news that the packers had offer aaron rodgers two additional years to his contract and that would ultimately the way the contract was structured would make him the highest paid quarterback perhaps in the national football league. And what did he do. Turn to doubt which is a surprise to absolutely nobody because we knew that erin. writers didn't want longevity in his contract. He didn't care about the money what he wanted was what he wanted. He wanted more freedom to go elsewhere. He wanted to fix. I guess issues with the team as you've pointed out a few times and he wanted to have a little bit more control and understanding from the higher ups of what was going to be happening with his team going forward and so here we are and so in ongoing talks with the packers and aaron rodgers according to all reports. It's like well that contract obviously wasn't what you want it. I don't know why at least in the first place because it to me felt like a way to kind of even further divide. Aaron rodgers from the green bay packers but nonetheless. Let's rip that up. What would you rather have okay a one year deal where then you can go elsewhere if you want to or one year deal to put all your chips in one basket and we'll reevaluate at the end. Fine that's what we'll do. It doesn't give us longevity here in green bay. It doesn't keep you in green bay for for a foreseeable future but it does give us one more year to try and go out there and add another super bowl to your hand that you only have one on deal. So there was a little bit of compromise on the packers side but not a ton and so at the end of the day they still have their. Mvp quarterback and they still have a chance to win another championship. and so the packers win this outright. Okay you think the packers when it's out there was a little bit of compromising communication there which shed rogers you're saying. Rogers got what he wanted to. So there's a win there because you've got flexibility another angle not being discussed in terms of winners and losers. Because everything's black and white. It feels like in sports. There's no gray area who won who lost and we've kind of laid out that it seems like the packers have to be the biggest winner here by getting their guy back. You know who else wins. The fans we win we win in this because think about at the height of covert what we locked in for every sunday during that however many weeks at ran for was the last dance documentary about those bulls and michael jordan's last year with team before moving on away from them in a legend That he left there in chicago. That's still looms very large. That was so riveting to watch and we are going back in the past to rely to relive those moments in the nineties and we couldn't get enough of it. We can't get enough of the drama. We can get enough of the theater. We're going to be able to have that real time here in sports with aaron rodgers and green bay. The last dance is playing out right in front of us. We know how it ended with. J. jerry krause and phil jackson and scottie and that crew. We don't know how this stories in this is the last dance the remix. That's exactly what we're getting here. What is going to happen with aaron rodgers. What kind of season is this going to be. Is he going to play. Mvp calvin football. Are they going to win a championship. Is he gonna come back when it's all said and done we don't know but you we get to do read into everything. The looks gives a player if it doesn't go right is communicating with low floor. How mad is he with management. Does he still have it all. This is gonna play out. I cannot wait. That's a really good point. Because it's so true i mean we're going to be analyzing every single thing that happens with this guy. If he tweets something cryptic. We're going to be reading into that. I mean how many times did i re read the tweet about him. Congratulating the bucks winning a chip. It's theater we're getting that at the top. Show this top-shelf theater. This is what we want in sports. We wanna watch greatness. Can it deliver and with the dynamics involved in this one. It's the last dance documentary in real time. It really is straight talk. Wireless no contract. No compromise right. Let's hear from packers fans phone. Number's eight say. Espn it's triple eight. Seven to nine three seven seven six. How do you feel about this whole situation. Aaron rodgers the packers. And what's about to come. This upcoming season aaron rodgers though. Not the only one who set himself up to leave his current situation in the near future from We'll get into that jordan. 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Keyshawn djabel zubin presented by progressive. Insurance guests join us on the good. You're my name is shay. Cornet he is jordan. Cornet were hanging out with the guys hanging in fear for the guys over the next couple of days and we start the day with. Aaron rodgers reportedly arriving in green bay. Start the day is brought to you by indeed higher right right now visit indeed dot com slash credit so yesterday mark murphy packers president spoke to. I believe it was. It was donors or investors or something along shareholders publicly-owned thank you Shareholders for the packers and this was prior to the news that aaron rodgers was indeed for sure coming back. So let's take a listen to mark murphy. Because i do feel like this sounds interesting and a lot of different ways. I think fans are frustrated with the situation. I think they kind of pox on both houses of us and errand but we've been in constant communication. It's obviously months and You know i'm hopeful that we'll have it all resolved. I do think our fans are split. And i think there's a lot of them that are just they want it resolved and i don't know if they're against the packers against aaron they want to see it resolved and i know people know how good player but i do think sometimes in these situations it's easy to forget what he's done. Okay that was mark murphy. The president of the green bay packers and he was speaking to shareholders prior to the news that aaron rodgers decided he is going to arrive the first day of training camp which is today and he will be staying with the packers for this year. At least and so jordan. When i hear that sound would noise me about that. Sound is the exact moment when mark murphy says i feel like our fan. Base is split. I don't know if they're against the packers or they're against aaron rodgers because you know what that was part of the packers doing they created that split. They created that tension and that that issue where pants had to choose. Sides did aaron rodgers ad that yes but whose voices have we been hearing this entire offseason. The packers nine aaron rodgers. And so when he says things like that it perturbs me. Because i'm like how are you supposed to have a fan base come together if this was the resolution you're hoping for which clearly it was if he says they were in constant communication the entire offseason. Why are you still throwing out this. Like packers versus errand scenario. Why isn't hey. We should really rally around this guy. Our hope is that he's going to come back in a packers uniform. He's going to under center. I understand the frustration. But guys just hang with us. We're hopefully going to have an answer soon. Why wasn't that the message. I hate this back and forth of us versus him and ultimately now they're gonna have to come together but it shouldn't have been like that in the first place you would hope that mark murphy and the rest of the brass there with green bay learned their lesson from the missteps in the past and i don't know if mark murphy already knew that this deal was pretty much a done deal at that point and aaron rogers come back. You don't know if it's posturing you don't know if he's trying to present himself as hey. This is very split. Does it was some of us. That are in in green bay. Some of our team aaron rodgers. But we made this thing happen. I i don't. I can't really get on the mindset there for mark murphy in that regard but what i can say is yeah you heard more from the management side. Because they had to be in front of the media they had to media or they had to address the shale shareholders. In the call that you're talking about. They had no choice. But to specially with the shareholders their investors you to talk to them about your brand and what the future and what projections look like. Aaron rodgers didn't have to do any of that in the match with the golf outing asked about it but he wasn't pushed on it and so he did. What professional should do. I mean yeah there was some of the the gimmicky stuff. And we're talking about the instagram story with michael jordan scottie. Pippen and how he was. You know taking subtle sub tweet shots or whatever. What have you. But he didn't have to address any of this. That wasn't on aaron rodgers to do that and he let his agent and he let it play out behind closed doors and i respect that part. I could've done without some of the pettiness that came from him but the guy was clearly hurt and good reason to feel that way so this opens the question now. to what is the fan base in wisconsin. Feel like and i. I don't resigned in wisconsin. But i do a family that resides in wisconsin. And yesterday. i called my dad. Who like born raised in wisconsin. Die hard packers fan his entire life. You know like daddy staying like how do you feel about this. And he kind of exemplifies. Exactly what mark murphy was kind of saying he's like you know i think and i've always thought he's like aaron. Rodgers is the best quarterback in the national football league. Yes patrick mahomes is great. Yes tom brady is great. But i think a rod is the best spoken like a true fat packer phase. But there's kind of this shine that has has rubbed off a little bit from you know our trophy. That is aaron rodgers because this drama is so much like a dysfunctional family. And he's like. I think the packers created a lot of it. But i'm a little annoyed like if he wanted to leave so bad he showed a left and my response to my father was dad. Told me is the best quarterback in the national football. You would have been okay with him walking. He's like i just didn't like all this back and forth all the time. It made us feel like we aren't worthy of this. Mvp caliber quarterback and so jordan. I guess my question to you is again. My dad is a diehard packers fan. All his friends are. This is something that he's obviously communicated with them about a lot. And so i feel like that is the pulse of wisconsin. Are you surprised by that at all. We'll before we get to addressing your father-in-law's stocks my father. My father in law my father-in-law thoughts before we get to that. Because let me be very clear. Whatever my father-in-law says 'i stand in line with his beliefs. That's my father in law. But you mentioned that conversation with him. Can you elaborate on. What else happened during that phone. Call with my father in law your father. Yesterday i called my dad. While i was driving is driving to the store and my dog and mike son in the back which i shouldn't have been on phone. Okay get it. But i had him on speakerphone. I was the child was in the chorus. I was telling them this year coming back. I knew it would be so excited. I got pulled over and so like shoot. Yeah i'm like. Dad i gotta call you back. I'm getting pulled over exactly. That's what i heard. I hang up the phone and the cop comes to the car and my dog in the car. So she's like barking. Really sorry you know. He's like you're not supposed to be on the phone man against lie. No i'm really. I was calling actually to tell. My dad. lives in wisconsin. I straight i swear. This is what i said to him. That aaron rodgers is coming back to the packers. I knew he'd be so excited. I should have got a phone so that she worked for. Espn did you. Try to drop that in there. I worked for years yet. He leaves with licence registration. I'll i'm getting a ticket a picture i'm getting. He comes back. Hands me license registration and a warning and says well. I've already had a bad day. I'm a broncos fan. I was hoping that aaron rodgers was going to denver. So i hope your dad is happy. Saudi drove away. I thought one win for the cornet household very very nice Got out of seventy to pay for tickets. So thank you now. We got that out of the way. You narrowly avoiding arrest with our four month. Old child in the car. Glad that didn't happen mother the year. Let's go back to a vilification here of aaron rodgers and i get where my father-in-law's coming from. I understand totally that he's annoyed with the situation. He he's just wants resolution he feels like you slide it as a fan and there's you're better than us kind of get it but i always go back to people. Don't care what you're doing until you stop doing what you're supposed to be doing. And that makes great sense of place here. In this regard people are gonna have air worth issue. Probably with how this thing played out in the off season with aaron rodgers. That's all fine and good. But ain't nobody gonna care in green bay about this off season when air rogers returns and if he plays the kind of football he played this past season if he's an mvp caliber player again and they are a true contender for super bowl again. That's all rear view. Nobody's gonna care about what happened in this off season but if he starts to struggle this year. If this team doesn't look the part this year then voices get amplified of see. You don't wanna be here. He's not all body. He didn't put in the work in the off season. He was hanging out this celebrity wife all these things that have nothing to do with nothing to do with saying that the white tie with nothing to do with it shake it'll be amplified people will start to care if it doesn't look like aaron rodgers and that door is cracked open right now and it's going to be performing space. If he doesn't deliver people are going to point to. What's happening this off season so it lingers a little bit but my money would be on aaron rodgers to deliver because it's aaron rodgers. Cash has a bears fan and hanging out in the nfc. North slowly still breaks my heart all right shane jordan cornell for the guys here on keyshawn jalen zubin much aaron rodgers coming up next including how this might be affecting the locker room. We'll dive in its cage as here's jordan. Has this from indeed. Finding the perfect hire can feel like search for a needle in a bottomless haystack. Resumes indeed makes hiring fast and simple with one hundred thirty five skills tests to help. Candidates prove they have the experience. Your job requires their powerful hiring platform. Even helps you schedule in conduct video interviews right on their site which is probably why indeed delivers four times. More hires than all other job sites combined according to talent nest to learn more about finding your next great hire visit indeed dot com slash. 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Keyshawn jalen zubin. We're presented by progressive insurance guests. Join us on the goodyear hotline. My name is shay cornet and this is my husband jordan. Cornet were hanging out filling in for the guys over the next couple of days And so we've covered this from all angles at this point right. Like who won this battle between aaron rodgers and the packers the packers. What's the pulse of the fan base right now in. Wisconsin has aaron rodgers been vilified and now let's switch gears and focus a little bit more on the locker room because this has been drama for the green bay packers locker room as well. We've heard some former players. Speak out about this. Who have known aaron rodgers and what his deal is and then we heard that davante adams wasn't going to return to the packers. If aaron rodgers returned to the packers we saw obviously over the weekend. Both aaron rodgers and davante adams posts cryptic kind of instagram. Messages of michael jordan scottie. Pippen on the court representing the last dance doing it one more time together. And so what does the aaron rodgers returning to green bay deal mean for the star wide receiver in green bay. Well let's hear from adam. Schefter devante atoms. The store wide receiver. The packers have struggled to reach a long term deal with this off season in part because there was uncertainty surrounding and rodgers now is open to listening to any contract discussions that the team would like to have and keep in mind that aaron rodgers new situations is new. Delete the most. Not a new deal will create more cap room for the packers this year. Too the packers can allocate that taproom once. This agreement is finalized. Any which way they want you would figure that one of the ways they would want to do. It would be to lock up arguably the best wide receiver in the game. Who obviously was pessimistic about his chances of getting a deal don't in part. Because of the uncertainty that existed surrounding arab all right so schefter said it there arguably the best receiver in the game and that is actually true since two thousand sixteen davante adams leads the nfl. With fifty eight touchdown receptions no other player more than forty seven j. This is a big return for the packers in terms of getting both aaron rodgers and davante adams back but this opens up. The discussion wasn't mean for the rest of the locker room. Are these guys going to head into training camp annoyed or happy that they had their to dynamic playmakers back. Well they'd be silly not to be happy in again. Go back to. We'll before i get there i'll say again. They should be happy because this team is now back to being a super bowl contender there now. The favourite in the nfc north. These are you got a hall of famer coming back in aaron rodgers who still playing elite football as raining. Mvp and davante adams who like we just heard from schefter is considered to be by many the best receiver in the game. Definitely one of the top two or three so when you bring that back you have to be happy. As for those who don't like how this played out Maybe the personality. Aaron rodgers isn't their cup of tea. Shay that would have been the case before this happened and look what they are able to do last year. You don't wake up today and go as a member of the packers. And i'm not really rogers guy. I don't really like what happened. In this off season. I would imagine not big locker room. The guys who didn't like what played out this year. We're probably not rogers guys to begin with. And if you had The relationship with rogers before it. You're able to understand that. This is the business side of things and now that he's back. Let's go win football games. I know again making the last dance reference. Everything coming back to the vibes of that. Mj final year in chicago with the bulls. Not all those guys liked him jay but mj was able to extract from the guys. What was needed to win. Ballgames sheer greatness and ability. Got them to win. Ballgames aaron rodgers is not at the at the height of what. Mj was to his sport. But aaron rodgers is an all time great so if his personality is what it is and if guys don't like what played out oh well let's go out there and play football and win okay and i get it. It's a business. Everyone understand that. Everyone knows that. But i will say this like i know you're saying oh well who cares but there has got to be a select few room that might feel like okay here. We go again. This is the story is all about rodgers. And now this is what we're going to have to talk about for the first few weeks at training camp. Why do we have to go through. This couldn't have done this. Maybe behind closed doors or spoken out about it right after the draft right after the draft jordan love instead of going through a whole offseason a year and a half later. Like there's gotta be a select few feel a little perturbed by the way this all went down. Yes does that become an issue when they start losing again. That might be something people try to point to. But if history's shown us and again it was prior to this breakdown in communication. But i can't imagine aaron rodgers wasn't carrying some of those issues in the last season that maybe showed face at different points that quite possibly annoyed some of his teammates. Well if that happened as i'm speculating. It may have and we also know that type of dynamic personality than aaron rodgers presents. the side of Maybe some cockiness that corrupt people the wrong way. They were on the doorstep of the super bowl. This offense was the best offense in the nfl last year and he was the mvp. So if you have those issues clearly. They're not affecting play. Why should they this year because of a contract dispute or not even a contract dispute amongst management and star player that got resolved that got him back on the field. So yeah maybe checks another box with those guys. That go goes aaron rodgers with aaron rodgers ish again but you know what they go out there. They win games and they compete for a super bowl and that shouldn't change so i don't know why you'd point that unless struggles start to appear. Davante adams and aaron returning to green bay is a frightening thing. If you're anyone else in the nfc north or in the national football league already a motivated a squad to begin with like adding extra motivation to aaron. Rodgers is not seen fun to me at all and then let's throw davante adams in the mix here to in twenty twenty. He was targeted on a career. High thirty four percent of his routes. Okay basically it was never a secret. We're green bay was going with the ball. Like if rogers was gonna throw. He likely was going to throw to davante adams open or not. He had a career low dropout rate of two percent of his targets. Two percent devante. Adam's okay and a career high seventy six point. Seven percent catch rate defenses. Know where the ball's going and it really doesn't matter. That's how good adams's. I don't know why i feel like we don't talk about him enough in terms of how good he is as a receiver in the national football league. Where does the conversation. Go like de'andre hopkins even stefan digs like. I feel like we talk a lot about all these other players. Julio jones we can go on down the list why don't we talk more about davante adams what he brings to the packers organization. Because it's a lot this guy does the most for this team to yeah. I would argue with that. I guess i didn't see it as an issue of him not getting shine. I felt like he got a lot of spotlight deserving. So maybe it's because aaron rodgers is that bright of a star that you think about what he does because aaron rodgers even before the emergence of davante adams has been a guy. Who's done so much. i mean you. Put the sign on riders. not on. i'm saying that's maybe why is because prior to adams even his his emergence that aaron rodgers was just the guy you can say. Give him the football. Let him go out there. He's gonna provide magic and so maybe people are thinking adams great. but it's because of aaron rodgers. i don't subscribe to that that method of thinking. But maybe that's why i do think he gets out shy us. I think it's nice to have a balanced presented offensively and they've got a good run game mud by aaron jones there and he does a really good job so this is a dynamic offense and we know that matt leflore set up that run to really get things going and we thought that would be a pushing poll between personalities of aaron rodgers and matt leflore but the formula is a winning formula which goes back to everybody's happy in any locker room at any level if you're winning games and green bay is very much winning games consistently true over the last three seasons green. Bay's the nfl's best red zone offense okay. So let's just point that out here. Also we are here on keyshawn jalen zubin. Okay jordan filling in for the guys and i know keyshawn probably not gonna be happy about this but you gotta state the facts. We're talking about advantage. Atoms right Including the playoffs folks. Keyshawn johnson in one hundred and seventy four career games. Had sixty six touchdown receptions davante adams in one hundred and eleven career games has seventy touchdown receptions. So let me tell you what this means. That means. that adams could go without a touchdown and Without a touchdown catch. I should say for his next seventy three games. Over four full seasons and still average more touchdown catches per game than keyshawn. Johnson stats incredible is brought to you by computer career training for a better life. I'm going to jump in here. I got the key. He's not here to defend themselves prior even awake. Have you seen the quarterbacks that keyshawn johnson play with. I mean devante. Adams has aaron rodgers keys. Brad johnson vinny testaverde and shaun king. Hey you know what. We're not talking about the quarterbacks we're talking about the receivers here. I was just stated. Do not i do. Oh you're right. I wasn't trying to take a shot at. He shot you work. You aren't i just was pointing out the facts just for a little comparison. Don't see what a good receiver dante. It's always trying to do. Let me be very clear. Keyshawn eight lists right now. So that's one number. Two keyshawn caught sixty six touchdowns in the national. Football league foley. Vinny testaverde's brad. Johnson and shaun king. That's two and number three 'kisan shots. He caught sixty six more touchdowns than me. And you combine along. Do you remember when he was coming after. You telling that notre dame shouldn't be in the college football playoff. I was trying to support my husband right back. That's a great point. They shouldn't have. That's all that's that's a great point so you know what yes. I'll be all. He could play seventy four boardgames devante. Go let's go to passing. that's right. That's what i try to say like kisha. We miss you a little here on the show. No don't don't don't go soft dough fall into the beef. We miss shots to keep it out of the way when he started. Disrespected me all year. All bull season leading up to notre dame alabama game notre dame lost keyshawn was right but notre dame was competitive played. Alabama's close. They weren't let's go. Let's go and notre dame played alabama better than anybody could argue. I just was pointing out the facts. Of why i was coming with some heat this morning. Solo act this beef all right. He saw clapback shave keppler cornet. She could be alert for this one. Because my name's ben. And i ain't in it okay. Let's bring in tanenbaum show. Espn nfl front office insider. He joins us here. On the goodyear hotline. Good morning. mike tannenbaum. Do you think that was too harsh of a shot at just really quick. Hey i'm the one that this discussion stuff. Now i will say this. He was an underrated blocker and he was extraordinarily tough has a receiver so we got to give him credit. So but hey when you get two first round. Picks for key schon. That's the trade. We make all day long but he was a good player. Fair enough okay. We've talking all morning. The headline this morning is obviously aaron rodgers. Staying with the green bay packers according to reports. He is there in green bay. We'll report the training camp today. And so what is your reaction of how this all went down. And what the resolution was you know. We've been saying this for six months that this was going to be the compromise. I always felt this was the way it was going to go. I'd like to get a lot more details if we go back to august fourth twenty nine thousand nine hundred. Tom brady modified this contract. That made that the last year of his contract new england new zealand couldn't franchise him in transition him. I haven't seen those details yet. So my question is what happens next spring. If and when green bay says you to what. We're not going to trade you. So i'd like to see the details about what it actually means to revisit the situation because as a former gm i i would be very surprised at aaron rodgers would agree just to this sort of like what's being reported as like a good faith understanding so my that leads me to the question of d expect another. Shoot a fall here so to speak is. Is there something else coming. That maybe brought air rogers to this position that we're in now where he's returning. I don't know that we have to see the details of the contract because you can easily address. What rogers was hoping to do. Which is what you do is you could shorten his contract. You could eliminate twenty twenty three and you can eliminate two thousand twenty to the fact that as of right now this morning tuesday morning. It's being reported as they're going to revisit. It would be conservative on aaron rodgers. Because what happens if there's a new gm next year lock it happen. We could sit here and speculate all day. The point is unless it's in the contract like again if we go back to august four twenty nine hundred thousand. It was very clear that when. Tom brady renegotiate his contract with the patriots. He was gonna be a free agent and he could it be franchise. That doesn't seem to be the case here. So i'm very curious to see what the contract looks like. And then obviously he'll play the season as a packer and then we'll go from there. But i think there's a lot more that needs to be found out about what the contract looks like. We're talking about speculating. And that's what we're going to continue to do here. Unfortunately and kishan j. will in jordan cornet filling in for the guys this morning. We're on the goodyear hotline with mike tannenbaum. Espn nfl front office. Inside are so speculation. here. We go mike if if they do win the super bowl what do you think happens with rogers. Do you think he sticks around for another year or two or do you think he's on his way no matter what well it's interesting. Everything seems to be reporting going back to what happened in the draft two years ago. Which was he wasn't told that they could be drafting jordan. Love i think that's a situation you can solve. I've been a front office. I've made mistakes. I've been able to look agents players in the eyes closed door. Work things out and we'll move forward together so you would like to think they could work things out. I'm surprised it's taken this long. But look they were able to put a band aid on the situation if i was green bay if i was mark murphy i was. Brian goudie constant floor. I would keep going back to one word. That is legacy. Why do you want to go be a bronco. Why would you want to go. Be a raider. A saint wherever. Why don't you fisher career here. We can name boulevards after you. Statues could be constructed about you so you can begin your career with the green bay packers and that to me is something special and that's something that would be constantly talking rogers about mike and i agree with you wholeheartedly. And that's still plays. It's just not very timely. Given the tom brady. Has that legacy in tom. Brady is gone somewhere else. And it's still shined. Which says yeah. You're right but this could also be a possibility for me as well. Going back to in leaning into your front office passed a and you can speak directly to this. Was there anything after that. Joran love draft. Pick that green bay front office could have done to maybe squashes and not let it get to the level that it has to this moment jordan. I think you've just gotta keep communicating with players. You know when you're sitting where they are running organization not every player's gonna feel like they're being paid fairly not every assistant coach is going to think that their title is appropriate. You have to constantly be communicating and explaining why you're making the decisions you're making and again aaron rodgers job is to play quarterback for the packers the packers front office job in obligation isuzu. What's within reason to help their team. I've been in situations where we didn't have enough quarterback depth going back to miami. We had a really good quarterback ryan tannehill when he tours. Acl we had to go out and sign jay cutler. That didn't work out the fact that green bay wanted to draft. A young quarterback makes a ton of sense to me. Maybe they could have communicated better but all you need to tell. Rogers we have a responsibility to the franchise. Long-term enduring love may never play. Snap here. And that's okay but if something ever happened to you. We need to have a good young quarterback back growing and developing behind you. It seems like that is where it was lost. The communication aspect of it again. Mike tannenbaum here. Espn nfl for an office. Insider joining us on the goodyear hotline here in k. jay z. Okay let's switch gears. Let's talk about the watson. Another quarterback who did report training camp a couple of days ago for the houston texans to avoid that fifty thousand dollar fine. We know what is kind of looming large over him. So let's put the gm hat back on here if you were a gm for another team. That was potentially looking to trade for shawn watson. Wouldn't you have some strong hesitations of that. Yeah you're really looking at this parallel tracks because there is a pending criminal investigation. Allegedly some new complaints that were filed so until his criminal situation is clarified. It's hard to move forward but what you can be doing is talking to your owner your head coach to say hey. We want to get ahead of our competition. So we're the philadelphia eagles. Let's say we want to make sure that we're trying to stay in touch with houston. Make sure we know what's going on and try to be on the front end of those discussions so you're trying to box out your competition if and when show washington is eligible to play and again that is a big f something else. That's really important to know. Kay's is this a number of years ago ben. Rothlisberger was never charged with any criminal activity and roger. Goodell still still suspended him so again. The commissioner suspended player and that standard is lower than a criminal standard so depending on how the situation gets resolved from a criminal standpoint shawn watson can still be suspended for part of the twenty twenty one season so a lot more information needs to be gathered. But if you're another team you're clearly watching the situation very carefully. No doubt about it all right. Mike tannenbaum thanks so much for the insight. This morning. we really appreciate it. I know is around green bay but Some insight on houston good as well. Thank you all right. Thanks guys have a good morning Okay so again. A is are in green bay. This morning that is where the headlines are but obviously keeping a close eye on the deshaun watson situation yesterday was reported kind of what it would cost essentially to get to shawn watson on your team and it was something along the lines of five high round picks plus some players plural but as it stands today that seems unlikely in my mind that a team would be wanting to trade for a player. They have no idea if he's going to be suspended or if he can even play at this point and you're talking about twenty two civil lawsuits one. Civil lawsuit can drag out for longer than a calendar year. Kim bleed into a couple years twenty. Two of them most likely could go the length of a year or more so. There's got to be a sense of urgency on both sides Deshaun watson side the side of these twenty two women that have made these allegations very serious ones Ones that should be taken very seriously You gotta imagine. There's a sense of urgency to get this done from schon side. That can't sense of urgency also be present on the other side so if this drags out for as long as it does. What are the texans zoom. What does the league do right and mike just mentioned big band when he was suspended. So big ben was suspended for six games initially in two thousand ten and then it was cut down to four games so and that was without any charges for the season to start right and then for. Maybe that's when roger goodell makes the decision as commissioner to put him on an example list or not because to do it now it would appear like it's a suspension as opposed to how the exemption lists works. Let's see how that plays out. Okay who's hurt. The most by aaron rodgers returned to the packers. Is anyone hurt by that return. How does everyone feel about it. We'll dive into it more right here on. Keyshawn j. will zubin presented by progressive insurance. I shake or not. He's jordan cornet. We'll be right back on k. Jay z. On espn radio siriusxm channel eighty and the espn app. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. Fortunately geico makes it easy to bundle your home and car insurance. It's a good thing too. Because having a home is hard work go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Geico dot com easy.

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"Gatorade knows there's no one path and athlete takes to unlock their true greatness for decay. Metcalf greatness starts with early morning grind going hard when everybody else wants to quit for world. Record-breaking track star sidney mclaughlin. it's all about setting a goal working hard every day to shatter it and for jason. Tatum greatness starts with giving everything to live up to the legends. That came before him. Whatever path you take to greatness. Gatorade is there to help you. Fuel it because greatness starts g g santi willing to with the podcast Yeah that's true. i. Sometimes i do under that. Keyshawn jane jalen even here on. Espn radio espn two espn news and on the espn app. Jordan gordon shake cornet filling in for the guys this morning presented by progressive insurance august. Join us on the goodyear hotline. It is talking to hard to talk like. Oh they're making thirty nine million like four games and i'm not neither you. Are you going to be okay. I just had to get that one more time. And i'll be fine anyways. Don't look at me like or the camera. Everybody listening feels really bad for me right now. I should nothing's ever good enough. Sure a lot of people out there can relate who are in marriages were very fulfilled with love and all the great things but apparently not enough money. Oh please please. It's unattainable money. What we're talking about here. it's just hard to comprehend. Sometimes i told you i give you a moon. I'm still working in your to anyways. All right so a lot of nfl talk because teams are reporting to training camp. This week. They did over the weekend. They did last week as well. But there's some interesting news coming out of cincinnati. My husband's here hotel and he will let everyone know about it. I'm sure at least four or five times in this next segment. But mike daniels who spent six seasons with aaron rodgers and green bay and is now playing in cincinnati with joe borough who we know was coming off of an injury. Had something interesting to say about. Joe borough your quarterback for the cincinnati bengals. Take a listen to mike daniels. You know what. I say about joe man. That's like baby eric. You'll see many rookies step into a locker room. And you could tell the guys like a you would think he's like a four year if you didn't we was and to have that the quarterback position it means he has the right type of savvy the right type of poise. You only see from guys like air man job. Berlin savior man. That was on good morning football last week and and he's excited. What's aaron rodgers comparison when aaron rodgers is the meaning. Mvp no matter what's going on with his upcoming season is a really good comparison to make this keyshawn. Jalen zubin coming to you. Live from the seaport district. Appear seventeen brought to you by chase and so i know that's music to your ears. Baby aaron rodgers. Is there a better comparison out there in the world. Carajas my favorite player in the nfl. This is new information right now. He's your favorite player in the nfl. Because you gotta see that guy can single handily win a game. You know how much money he made me wanna play your chicago. Bears in the nfl. Right now i don't know what aaron rodgers right now. That's a whole conversation. I know the chicago bears. Fan over here is trying to speak it into existence for right now. He's still on a league. But what will you watch aaron rodgers. You go anything's possible. The guy just no matter what the moment is. It seems like you always delivers. He seems so cool under pressure. A cool customer. He's not a look at me guy. But he's got that swagger that does have the confidence of the look at me guy. That's what i see in joe borough and i'm a reasonable fan as a bengals fan. Anybody who knows sports knows we been through it. Marvin lewis brought some respectability back to the franchise. Forever love and for it. I'll forever love marvin lewis. Marvin lewis chad johnson. My guys but marvin lewis could never get us over to winning that playoff game. That's the next step you got to bring in a guy that says i'll take all the pressure i know about what's happened in previous years. I know about the heartbreak. But i can take this on not only that. I can take over games when i don't have a lot with me to help me last year. That offensive line was horrible. It's all day and again it's ultimately last office. Line was horrible. It's ultimately what sideline our guy joe borough. But he did the work to get back. He says he's one hundred percent and ready to start week one and what he's going to be able to do with a better offensive line with better weapons to throw the ball to especially out in space. Those wideouts. tamar. Chase t higgins tyler boyd. Make you forget that the best bengal wide receiver maybe ever asia. Green is gone. So i feel really good about that. The defense might dan those. Those guys have to be better. But it'll be all eyes on job borough and much like aaron rodgers. Joe borough welcomes that kind of pressure. I think he's going to go down. And this is of course hyperbole. It's very early. But i have the expectation that'd be the best cincinnati bengals all time. I d. I truly believe there's even want show borough though to be like active and running around at training camp coming off a gruesome knee. Injury wasn't even a year today managed properly because last year as much as he was throwing football the usage rate was ridiculous. And i felt like as the bengals fan with that offensive line. You're playing with fire and we saw what happened. I'm not going to say that's the reason but it certainly didn't help. So i do hope going into this year that they manage him a little bit better. I think they could have done more offense obviously with me. I would like to see them. Take place ujwal with the first round traffic but ties back to aaron rodgers here right and say i thought the thought is aaron. Rodgers didn't like what the green bay brass did with that draft. Not making them better with targets and giving them more options to bolster the offense. They won't the backup quarterback and that ultimately is the reason why air rogers wants to leave right. So tying aaron rodgers into this as it pertains to joe borough. You don't usually get it right when you talk about the bengals for an office. But they did here. Because you heard. Joe borough say leading up to the draft. I would love to throw the ball to my guy jamar chaso. I won a national championship with an lsu but the bengals. You probably need to go get soule. But that's what joe burrow says he wants. So let's make this guy happy early on so it's not a potentially. What could have been a russell wilson situation. What's becoming this. Aaron rodgers situation. Maybe a played a role in tom. Brady situation let's make our guy happy early in often to build some equity. Maybe that keeps. Joe borough there when the time comes for joe. Look around and say there's greener pastures. Commit to your guy and mike brown and the bengals the right thing in stage one well they had to. I think after the injury happened. Look you and i. We do sunday radio together and every time we watched the bengals play. I said the guy can't stay upright. I mean there's of line it's brutal was horrible like swiss cheese. There were holes everywhere is terrible and so i'm not trying to say an injury was inevitable but it kinda was like he could not stay upright and so with that happened. You had to make right and go do whatever he wanted. And if he wanted that and the moon and whatever out that's not necessarily what they did. I'm just connecting dots. And you heard her burrow. Say i want chase and all the sudden. The narrative shifted from. It's definitely going to be. They gotta show up. This offense wanted to protect their top commodity. Joe borough to all of a sudden we're going all in on march chase. It's gonna make for an exciting brand of football. That offense is going to be a really fun when the only issue with the bengals. Because i think they could surprise. I think this could be a team flirting with the playoffs. Down the stretch of the season we accept why flirting with they went four and eleven last year. A lot of those games without show. Berle this team is is markedly better especially because the offensive line went division. They that's my point. The afc north does not make it easy. 'cause it's chock full of teams in contending to win the division that are super bowl contenders and what's hilarious to me about the afc north to is like everyone's writing off the steelers as if they didn't one point go eleven and noah's if ben rothlisberger hasn't seen every defense out there known to man give me a break away for week two though your friendly wager in our house bears fan bengals fan. What's going to happen bengals in chicago taking on the chicago bears. It will be andy dalton. So it'll be former former bangles. Keep saying that's going to happen. You think andy dalton is definitely going to be starting to yes. I'll give me the bengals. I'll bet our house. Why are they now. That i'm saying this out loud. And i had okay. No you won't first of all. No you will not the. It would be smart of the bears to start andy dalton for the first few weeks. Let's remove the justin fields aspect of it because let's just be completely honest if justice fields goes out there and he's not ready. It's everyone's fault but just in fields competent anti-doping thing. I want to see where you're going. You watched him in dallas. Last night i watched any dalton in dallas. I also watched dallas have a horrendous offensive line issues all over the field and in the locker room so let's put it all. Mayors offense less. You're right yeah not good. But they had quarterback issues. Let me get to my point. I it would behoove the bears. Actually while justin fields is still learning which we know nagy is all about like they wanna have an alex smith kind of situation and patrick mahomes where they're learning under each other like letting any go out and face his former team you don't think that's gonna feel his fire you don't think he knows that team better than probably anyone else. That's currently playing in the national football league. Give me a break. Let him go proven. I would love to see justin fields the quarterback position for the chicago bears. If i'm a bengals guy. I think that the sun tzu art of war mentality is never do if your team never do what the opposition wants you to do. Because if you are you're putting yourself in a position to fail bengals want andy dalton to start that game so that's the last again. I probably wouldn't start any but you you never know how it's gonna play either way. I know that there is a renewed sense of optimism. Now that show boroughs coming back and starting week one especially in the position. He was in when he went down with that gruesome injury and we'd seen that before with carson palmer. Thanks chemo. van. Olefin for the pittsburgh steelers in that playoff game when carson palmer went down and nothing was ever the same but now the joe boroughs coming back because he has a baby. Rogers vibe like mike daniels saying you feel like when he's in a uniform something special can happen and it's nice to have that feeling it's quarterback position some y'all bears fans no nothing. I'm gonna let you take that shot. And i'm going to move on from it and i just wanted. Peel back the curtain. Because if he's going to take a shot. I'm gonna take my back jordan. Wears this grown man husband. My where's this. Joe borough jersey too bad with his underwear like all the time. Do you feel embarrassed by should feel bad. You just painted that picture for everybody. This early in the morning at about that disabled my legs. I i like to show off their two most likely scenario and aaron rodgers saga. We'll tell you what they are next. I cage jordan gordon. Jacor filling in for the guys on. Espn radio sirius. Xm channel deep. Aaron rodgers saga continued. There were some cryptic instagram messages over the weekend. From davonte adamson aaron rodgers. 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Aaron rodgers is partaking in offseason workouts. He has been working out as if he was normally preparing for a season air. Rush's reading every pierre rogers. It's come from. The horse's mouth and tom brady arosh sports. Elton quarterback position meat. Rogers has taken over the headline day after day since the nfl draft. It's really what of what else have we been talking about. I don't even big shot. It's such a great great track club into. I wish i could sing the lyrics. But i like my job. Refrain from saying the lyrics keyshawn jalen stephen presented by progressive insurance. And we've guest your shane jordan cornell with us and dan graziano joining us onset. Giving us the straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless no contract. No compromises are espn nfl insider. Good morning to you dan. We are doing great. Thank you so much okay. So i mentioned aaron rodgers. But it's all we've been mentioning lately. It feels like aaron rodgers. Training camp starts tomorrow for the green bay packers. i hear. There are two scenarios now for aaron rodgers. I suppose what would those be. I think the two most likely our number one would be he retires right now like remember carson palmer ten years ago with the bengals and we didn't wanna play there anymore. He retired ultimately trade him to the raiders. And i think that that's a possibility would save aaron rodgers. Training camp finds fifty thousand dollars a day and it would you know if he said he was retiring medical reasons. He could probably argue against them. Trying to clawback is signing bonus. There are some reasons for him to do it that way. If he doesn't want to be there. I think the other option. The other possibility is that he comes back but only after they redo his contract to the point where it expires after this year. Right now. he's got three years left on his contract. Only no guaranteed money after this year. But if he if they were to adjust it so that he was able to get out after this year and it came with the promise that they won't franchise him and now he has some control. Maybe he comes back for one more year and tries to run it back one more time. I'll the last dance stuff. That was all over okay but before we dive into that catch so he could. I mean for lack of better word. Lie like say there's a medical reason why he's not returning in order to see. I don't know if it would be a lie right. I mean he would say. I've played fourteen. Years in the nfl like obviously. I've got stuff wrong with me. Any doctor who examined me would be able to say. Oh this is you know your your leg. Is this your shoulders. So i think there's there's a see see if he retired they would be entitled to pursue the remainder of the prorated signing bonus the contract. He signed three years ago so if he wanted to fight back against that. That would be the way to do it. When andrew luck retired with the colts colt opted not to go. After that money they could have but they decided not to the relationship between rodgers and the packers may not be quite as good a place as as that one was there. It's just like my wife to jump to right away. So he's lying. I gonna lie back. Relax nobody's trying to pull the wool over. Everybody know dishonesty is going on. She's quick to pull out so you made the mention of carson palmer retirement with my sensei angles two thousand four ultimately. They moved to mid october. The title binds. Here is the same agent in david. Done in representing aaron rodgers. Here as well does that. Play a role a strong role in something like this or is that merely a coincidence. I think it's a coincidence. But certainly if someone has used the strategy before with success that would encourage them to use it again right so it worked for carson palmer. Now why did it work for carson palmer. The raiders quarterback got hurt It was jason campbell at the time right and they were having a year where they wanted to stay competitive they end up working over a high price to get carson palmer if that never happens if the raiders don't find themselves desperately need a quarterback midseason does carson palmer get traded that year. We we don't know but could something like that certainly could happen in the case of again. This is all hypothetical. of course he's gonna show up tomorrow and if he shows up tomorrow he's going to have a whole spiel about how news media is full of whatever and all this kind of stuff so i wanna make it clear the best. I've got as informed speculation. Best anybody i talk to has is informed answers. That's where we are so in this hypothetical scenario where he were to retire. Then yeah it would be in the hope that something changes in terms of the packers willingness to trade him because right. now it's a flat. Oh and i guess the only thing me and say i've gone back and forth on here is who are those suitors because you're asking for a king's ransom when you bring in a guy who's the reigning mvp and has a lot of good football still on the runway pertains to aaron rodgers. So who are some of the things. We are a lot of denver with a lot of sense because they don't really know who their quarterback is going to be and it's not like a situation where you know in new england or san francisco where they drafted a guy. They think is the answer drew. Lock teddy bridgewater. Both come with question marks and if denver feels like they have a strong enough core that their quarterback away a great quarterback away from the super bowl. Then that makes sense. That's why i think people have been putting two and two together there and there really aren't a lot of other scenarios like that now let's play out the carson palmer situation. Let's go a couple of months into the season right before the trade deadline. Maybe miami is worried about two of more than they are right now. Maybe the eagles aren't sold on jalen hurts. Maybe the giants aren't sold on daniel jones. You know or maybe one or some of those people have gotten hurt. Someone will get hurt. Unfortunately that's that's life in the nfl. So that will change the landscape in terms of who needs a quarterback. So yeah i think that's you look at situations like that and then you also look at a mentioned. Eagles giants teams like that because they have multiple first round picks next year. So you could get it done. Theoretically with twenty twenty two picks again informed. Speculation is the best. The best i can give you dan studios in-studio well in studio with us here on key k jay z. Keyshawn will zubin shake cornet jordan. Cornet on espn nfl insider. Let's go to the texans shawn watson reported to training camp. What does this mean. Well he wants to get treated. And i think he didn't show up first of all he'd be fine fifty thousand dollars a day and i don't think anybody wants that but even getting past that by showing up he keeps it a story and maybe keep some pressure on the houston texans to do something right so if he just vanishes then you can get forgotten about pretty easily in the nfl. And if his legal situation takes months and months to resolve you get through the whole year. Nothing's happened but if he shows up he's created a difficult situation for the texas. Do you put them on the practice field will he doesn't wanna play for you. He probably doesn't want to go on the practice. feel existing. want to get hurt. So how do you manage the situation where he's in your building you tell him. He's excused and it doesn't have to worry about the fines and just go home and leave us alone. I it's it's a tricky situation but by making it a tricky situation. I think he leaves open the possibility they ultimately cave in and trade in the problem. Right now is what's value right. We don't know how much he's going to be able to play. He's going to be suspended. We don't know what kind of trouble he's in outside of the nfl in terms of the lawsuits that have been filed against him. So i don't think there's a whole lot of teams out there that are desperate to move right now for shawn watson because there's so much uncertainty around the situation and dan because of the uncertainty and again we don't legalities. We don't know what's out there as it pertains to this legal issue that is robust with twenty two allegations spending but we were talking earlier in the show about. Isn't this on commissioner. Roger goodell to say hey this is playing out in front of everybody for what you mentioned these parties involved. Neither to have him there. Why doesn't he just pull rank and put them on. The commissioner's exempt. What's preventing that from happening. The commissioner's exempt list historically has been used during the regular season. Because it's paid leave and these guys don't get paid until the regular season so by putting them on commissioner's exempt now. You're really just removing him from their training camp. But you know i. It effectively is suspension. So i i think the players union and sean watson's representation would would push back against the idea of an indefinite suspension so. I think that the commissioner's office has been loath to use. The commissioner's exempt outside of the regular season. Would they make an exception this case if they felt like they had enough reason to. But i don't know what the league's investigation has shown in terms of deshaun watson and whether it leads the commissioner to a place where he feels like i have to use. This commissioner's exempt list to keep him off the practice field because jay. That's kind of the vibe. Our message it sends to an outsider looking in they must not have enough for him to first step to be made of suspension to this point. So the fact that you're seeing him at this point makes people connect. They probably should not be connecting. But it's a narrative that could easily lead you that path by simply industry. I mean i don't know how many times we need to say. It's twenty two people not to you know so it's going to take more time. Probably than any other case they probably with in the. Nfl would be my assumption. You'd obviously no matter the me but my assumption would be. This is gonna take more time than most cases. It's not so black and white really quick before we take a quick time out here. Cowboys reported to camp last week Zeki elliott needs to have a bounceback season. I mean there's no other way to put it. What are you hearing about hobbies cam. Uh they're very high on ezekiel elliott. In the way he looks and the way he's performed throughout the off season so far in camp they also are high on dak prescott recovery from his injury and most importantly probably for both those players all the offensive line injuries they had last year. Tyron smith left tackle supposedly from what i'm told healthier than he's been in years he had you know procedures to clean up some old stuff this off season so if that offensive line is back healthy. That's the core of everything they do. And i think they would expect zeke elliott to bounce back for that reason if no other and then hopefully they win more than six games this this upcoming season a ton more storylines follow. His camp starts in dan gonna stick with us here and play a game of hot news or not news. That's after sportscenter. Australia's arjan tim's chase down. American katie. let me to capture gold medal. In the women's four hundred meter freestyle the deck. He posted the fourth fastest time. In the history of the event but titmus posted the second fastest time ever trailing only the still standing world record from the two thousand sixteen rio games. this was the first of five events. Decky will compete in these games team. Usa falls to france and the first olympic men's basketball law since two thousand four's speaking of upsets the team usa. Men's basketball team lost eighty three to seventy six to france to open the tokyo olympics snapping their twenty five game olympic winning streak dating back to two thousand four. The americans were outscored. Sixteen to two over the final three minutes and forty seconds of the game were shot. Oh of nine from the floor francis. Evan forty-eight lead all spores with twenty eight points. The next group stage game for the us on wednesday against iran in nfl news. Houston texans quarterback to shawn. Watson did report to training camp sunday in order to avoid a fifty thousand dollar a day. Fine a source told. Espn under the new. Cba teams can no longer forgive fines and watson would have been fined for every day. He was absent from camp. The quarterback reportedly still wants to be traded from texans the stance that has remained unchanged since the star. The offseason sportscenter is brought to you by capital one with no fees or minimum on checking and savings accounts and an app. That lets you bank anytime anywhere. Choosing capital one is like the easiest decision in the history of decisions. That's banking reimagined. What's in your wallet. Terms apply capital one. Na member fdic keyshawn jalen zubin presented by progressive insurance guests. Join us on the goodyear hotline shay jordan cornet villain and we've got dan graziano here in studio are espn nfl. Insider can get more from dan on get up at eight. Pm eastern on espn. And so we're gonna play a little game of hot news or not. News teams are all reporting to training camp. A lot of nfl news now popping up especially over the last couple of days. And so this is how it's gonna work okay so if it's hot news it's like a big headliner. We all need to pay very close attention to if it's not news it's interesting but is it really worth hammering hong. We're talking a lot about our. Try to raja yes graziano. But that one didn't really work leads down. We will coffee. Whatever he's been sent my my packing orders. You're hot news or not news. It's just easier to follow all right here. We go hot news or not. News quarterback battles in new england san francisco chicago and denver. Oh well. I think the first three or hot news right because they involve rookies long-term in mack jones and trae lance and justin fields. And i think that's gonna be fascinating to see how that turns out when those guys can overtake the veterans that are in front of them whether that's in camp or whether it lasts into the regular season denver situation drew lock or teddy bridgewater. That feels a little bit less exciting. Just because i feel we're in like three of drew lock now and neither one of those feels like a high end option unless you know locking to take a big step forward this camp but i think the first round rookies when do they take the reins for their various teams is a big story. We're going to be following for months for for this duo right here. I got a follow up there and again your best guess in chicago. Big chicago bears fan here. Do you think fields goes week one. Because i think they're determined for him not to nagy wants to do what they did in kansas city when he was there and patrick mahomes was rookie which sit him all year and but what happened. There was alex. Smith played great. They started five and they were in first place all year. If you don't do that it's very very difficult to keep that rookie on the bench. So may- maybe aaron rodgers never shows up in. The bears are all of a sudden the favorite in the division and they can replicate that. But it's a lotta maybe all right well since you asked about my chicago bears i shall ask about your cincinnati bang. Sorry schoeberl high news or not news. Joe boroughs health. I think it's hot news. Because i think if he's healthy. This is a guy that has a chance to post huge numbers in this offense. I think we saw glimpses of it last year. And i think you know. He's he's shown the ability to to play in this league. There's no question about it. They've got to keep them protected. Obviously as any bengals fan watching this would say very quickly but adding jomar chase to that receiving core. That's a big upgrade over what. Aj green was last year. The agent greenville hall of fame caliber guy. So not but what he was last year. I think you're gonna see a lot a lot. Higher end possibilities with the offense with the young guy puts them respect on the graziano family name to his son. Cincinnati bengals fan. Yeah it's not a lot of scattered across the country exactly where that came from. But he has for his whole life just about since he was old enough to pick his favorite teams so the grazziano family in the cornet. Family live in the towns. Maybe we can find a bengals bar somewhere and you guys can get together and go find that you're working on a sunday night. Game took a yacht around the world. Exactly kisha jalen. Zimin presented by progressive insurance guest joins us on the goodyear hotline shea and jordan cornet filling in for the guys this morning. Dan graziano it's your espn nfl. Insider giving us the hot news in the news as nfl. training camps are starting to get underway. Stefan gilmore contract trade situation in new england. Now this one's interesting. So i'm interested to see what you think i think ultimately it ends up being not news because what i'm hearing on gilmore and talking to teams that have been in the cornerback market all offseason. They all are getting the impression that the patriots and gilmore. We'll work something out. And there's some history with the patriots in terms of players on these kinds of contracts with them adding some incentives padding the last year of the contract a little bit to keep the player happy in keeping their. I think if the patriots we're going to get what they wanted to get for. Gilmore would've been in march or april. They didn't so i think now they're regrouping and they'll figure something out to keep him happy with the contract and keep them there a lot of times we hear player say they want a certain amount of money. And it's it's sometimes puzzling. Why are you asking for this much money or this. Long term of a contract like stefan gilmore has come to a place where he deserves what he's asking for. At least in my opinion right he's supposed to make seven million dollars. That's not high end. Cornerback money but remember reason for that is that he took some money from this year and moved it into last year so they already did an adjustment to the contract a year ago. So that's that's part of the patriots arguments. So we'll see okay hot news or not news. Odell beckham junior wants to win a championship in cleveland. I mean who doesn't want to say beef option interject. I just to lead you. Choose to drink the water or not damn but of course good news will be if he said he doesn't wanna win a chip in cleveland. Right so i think. I mean i think oda beckham's return is at least warm news if not hot but i mean the idea that he wants to win a championship. Not news to me. Look i covered odell beckham when he's a rookie with the giants he has had. Last year's browns were the second team he's ever been on. That had a winning record so like he has done a lot of losing since he's been in the nfl. And i know that is what drives him. The most nuts is the losing. I don't think he's a kind of guy that needs to get the ball. Every time i think he wants to have a winning season and he wants to be part of that and i think that if the browns do that i think he'll be a big part of it. I do wonder how much though that has changed for autumn junior. Because i feel like. That's the narrative now that the browns actually have decided to win some football games. And i feel like they're heading into this season for the first time in a long time as an actual contaminants instead of a pretender. And so i wonder if he saw the blueprint last year. Where he doesn't need the ball every carrier receivers don't need the care. They can share the wealth with the running backs. And maybe that's how you equate to a winning season. I don't know. I don't know about but maybe that's that's changed. I guess the other question of follow up there. Dan would be. Because i know my wife's not sold on it but as baker mayfield a guy who can lead a team to a super bowl and get the big one when you saw with cleveland. Last year in the first year under kevin stefanski is he and his coaching staff did a really good job of adjusting. The game plan as needed. They needed to be run. Heavy with nick. Chubb kareem hunt. They can do it but there were games where they asked baker to throw the ball and he did very well with it so i think as the year progressed. He got more comfortable in the offense. I think if he gets odell beckham back healthy that only adds to what he can do. And i think the fact that he's had at four head coaches in three seasons in the nfl so now he gets some continuity there too. I think mayfield has the especially with the team. He's got around him to be to be that guy. Jeremy fowler reported this yesterday hot news or not news chandler. Jones wants to be traded about the cardinals. I think i think it ends up again being not news because i don't think the cardinals going going to trade him and i think Channel jones obviously unhappy with his contract. One year left but everybody. I've talked to this off. Season about chandler. Jones has said. The cardinals aren't going to trade in the cardinals aren't to trade him so i i think it gets to a place where he comes to camp and things are okay. And maybe it's the cardinals. Fall out of contention. He somebody gets dealt at the trade deadline. But i don't think they intend to trade him right now and i think they'll they'll they'll get to a point where everybody's happy for one more year. Okay last thing here and this is probably a bigger conversation. So there's a little bit of room for this to breathe but vikings assistant coach. Rick dennison is out after refusing to take the cova nineteen vaccine patriots assistant coach. Popovich won't be with the team for the exact same reason. Is that news hot news or not news. And then we can further discussion along here. It's hot news. The vaccines are huge topic. Around the league right now when you talk to players coaches front offices it's going to continue to be. And so what does this mean going forward because obviously there are different rules for coaches and personnel than there are for the players at this point. And we've heard from various players. How they feel about it whether that is taking the vaccine or not and how. They feel about their teammates. And obviously with the rules now are regarding that in terms of a forfeit not getting a game check if an unvaccinated player was was the reason for an outbreak but with the coaches and the personnel like. It's very different. Because the league mandated that they get the vaccine correct and so when they say these. These personnel or coaches are out is that their decision to leave on their own accord. Is that the team saying this. Is this an option for them to have a change of heart. Like what does that mean for the league. And for the coaches that have decided against the vaccine. Well in this case it would be the coach's decision to not get the vaccine which then puts the coach in a position where so if you're designated a tier one or tier two employees you have to be vaccinated in order to have contact with players. You have to be tier one so or or tier to in some cases but coach. I mean the coach would not be allowed to be in a meeting room with the players. So let's say he's the offensive line coach. The offensive line has a meeting. The coach would have to be in a separate room or his house during the meeting. Virtually while the players were in the room together he would only be able to coach them outdoors. And then that would have to be distanced and in a mess. There are a lot of things that would make it very difficult. Even untenable for an assistant coach in that position this year given the rules. So you're right. The players have a union. The coaches in the front office personnel. Don't right so the league was able to impose rules on there whereas the players union pushed back and said we want our guys to be able to have this choice but the league has imposed these rules. And what happens now is if you don't wanna get the vaccine. Find that your decision but there are going to be consequences and in terms of the players especially most of those consequences are. You're going to have to live under the same rules as last year. You know wear masks distance. If you're close contact with someone who test positive you have to be. You have to miss five days. At least if that turns up on a thursday you're missing that game whereas if you're vaccinated you're close contact you don't twenty four hours so well no i mean if you don't have symptoms in your coastguard. You don't have to miss anytime if you've had vaccine and your identifies a close contact with someone who test positive then and you have no symptoms. You're fine they might. They might test you more but again even the guys who were vaccinated only going to get tested once every two weeks versus every day. So you you've created the nfl's created a situation where there's two different classes of player this year and again to different classes in terms of coaches and team personnel. But the way that's dealt with is they're not not going to be there but with the players. Yeah there's going to be. I think there was a story yesterday. The buccaneers are giving different color wristbands. I think it's red if you're vaccinated and yellow if you're not or vice versa but you know teams are going to have to keep track of this interesting stuff all right dan. Thank you so much for the insight this morning. we appreciate it. I know you're kind of making the circuit. You're doing sports center guests so you go ahead and get underway zinc gos-. I'll go do that. Feel keyshawn jabil even is presented by progressive insurance. 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I feel like cicadas. They say those bugs come out every twelve years. What realignment comes around every couple of years right like it's like that time like let's add more teams to a conference. But you're right with everything going. It is crazy. Cicadas was does are there on my mind. Where did we pull that from it. Seven forty five eastern keyshawn. J. will exhibit progressive regional. We pulled out cicadas early in the morning. Shake cornet jordan. Cornet filling in for the guys this morning and yes. There is a lot going on in the world of college athletics. Because it sounds like texas and oklahoma could be saying by by the big twelve and a whole low to the sec. We're gonna dive more into a keyshawn. Jalen zubin brought to you by indeed. Indeed has this hiring tool called instant match and it really lives up to its name. Just put just post a sponsored job at indeed instantly surges millions of resumes in their database to immediately delivered the candidate that fits your job description. Visit indeed dot com slash credit i. Let's hear from heatherton it. She's she's espn college football writer. She was on game day with jordan yesterday on. espn radio. she kinda told us. This could be happening like very very soon. Take a listen. This is basically the big twelve having somebody kinda cheat on them for a couple of months then you realize it last week right and then the grant of rights notification is like. Oh that's great. You know we're going to get a divorce but macher four more years unless you. I got interrupted. We'd like to mitch the d. word on the airwaves. All the radio shows the before she was great. Nuggets lost us with the divorce. Come on heather exactly realize remained that the same thing. I don't know we very accurate though. It's a very accurate depiction of what's going on here. And i just think like this legitimately as somebody who's very dialed in on the college landscape. You know doing a lion's share my work with network on the acc side of things without network. This was not on people's radar. What what's crazy to me is not only was it not on people's radar really till the last three days or so but this could be happening. How they're told us as early as twenty twenty two like. This could be a decision as early as today. It could be inevitable very very soon. Well today would be the step to say that. Come twenty twenty five. When the media rights held by the big twelve for those programs football and basketball or up they would wanna look elsewhere. That is just standard operating procedure. That's the tipping point. That's the announcement to say. We're leaving when that happens if that happens. It's expected to happen most likely today. Then the clock starts running of will do they wait till the end of two thousand twenty five and actually then or do they find a way to get out earlier. they'll be heavy penalty. Somewhere to the tune of seventy six million dollars each year that they leave earlier. So there's a few ways this could play out if the if these two teams if these two programs excuse me to universities in texas. Oh you're like yeah. We wanna stay till twenty twenty five so we don't get penalized through the contracting meteorites with the big twelve and then go on the sec might be like not. We're not waiting till twenty twenty-five we want you by twenty twenty two at the latest twenty twenty three so most likely. This initial step does happen today. You gotta imagine that this takes shape and actually comes in for rush in the next calendar year or two at max and heather was telling us this yesterday and so i'm basically taking this from her and she pointed something out and you mentioned the money here and when maryland moved to the big ten she said there was a a big buy out essentially for them to leave the acc and go to the big ten and ended up going to court and they ended up playing paying a lesser value. I don't remember the exact. He's about half of what they were supposed to like. Thirty three million and they cut it to twenty five or something along those lines. And so you mentioned the big payout with oklahoma and texas and so if it does happen quicker perhaps this is something that does go to the court system and maybe they lessen the blow or whatever. It is in terms of moving over to the sec. But i guess this opens a bigger question. Now what happens to the remainder of the big twelve. What happens to those teams. There are now speculation that perhaps if this does go through west. Virginia joins the likes of an acc conference. What happens to a team. Like notre dame has been flirting with the and was part of the acc conference last year. What happens to a team like. Byu do they finally join a conference and they go to the pac twelve or do they end up joining the big twelve and giving them more teams. I what does this mean for everybody else. Well i saw the metaphor. And i think it plays beautifully indicating this scenario and where it's at right now with the big twelve and potentially losing texas and oklahoma. It's like going to your favorite Huge shopping mall and the to charter stores. That you usually go shopping mall decide. They're going to move out and no longer pay rented that mall. You ain't going to that mall anymore. No longer becomes a destination. And that's what's on the table right now for the big twelve so yeah you can have conversations about what happens to those other schools and those universities and our fan base is care but once you talk about losing texas and oklahoma that is the big twelve. The conversation shifts to notre dame and it becomes an arms race for these other conferences. And okay the sec has made a massive statement by bringing in these two powerhouses. How can we compete the only thing still dangling holding onto its independence and comfortably holding onto it. Mind you is notre dame now the big ten could try to make a play. But there's there's language in contract with the is the. Acc holds all of the other sports for notre dame except for football and hockey but mainly football that if they do join a conference notre dame has to go to the so that eliminates the big ten except for we've seen all these legal gymnastics where schools have gotten out of conferences and contracts and gone through the legal system and a found a way so it doesn't completely eliminate the big ten. It's just the acc. As best propped up to of notre dame elects to forego independence. They would most likely come to the acc now. How does that happen. We'll commissioner jim. Phillips is the head of the acc taken over for the legend in commissioner. John has a strong relationship. With notre dame has notre dame ties has sent his kids through their worked in. That athletic department has a good working relationship with the athletic director. Jacks or brick. He's a very savvy guy. We've seen what commissioner. Jim phillips did is the athletic director at northwestern. If there's a guy to make this marriage work. It's jim phillips. Mind you last year for notre dame in that crazy twenty twenty year. It worked beautifully for notre dame. They showed well in football. They played in that conference championship game. They had another path to a college football playoff. The conversation becomes then shea will this notre dame love their independent so much that they'll forgo the money on the table that is presented by joining a conference. The will you got that. Nbc deal not make so much money from it. Wrong not makes half the money with that. Nbc independent deal that they could make by joining a conference like the so it really becomes about what is your desire and when we look at the college landscape in sports and the money being lost. Don't you want to try and make as much as possible. So it's going to be interesting to see what notre dame does but that's where to me all the focus then shifts to so i guess that enough though for the acc. Let's say notre dame does join the acc. Is that enough to make them feel like they're kind of for lack of how we'll just listen to power conference the se is going to have and i'm thinking football here because that's what it's top of mind given the time of year right like the sec will have the likes of alabama and lsu and texas and oklahoma and all these major powerhouses if you look at the acc. It's like well. Yes they have clemson and they have notre dame and that will likely become a rivalry maybe louisville. You could throw in. Miami are coming. This is what i'm asking you like wearing. The acc hat is that enough of its just notre dame that joins where texas and oklahoma are two major programs. That are going to the sec. If you bring in notre dame in west virginia. You've made a nice counter. You've responded to what the sec has done here to me. Another bigger conversation. And how the dominos fall with this is are we moving towards two. Maybe three super conferences and the college landscape as we know it being completely blown blown to pieces and obliterated this is a big step towards what could be a monumental shift. We'll talk to how their danish later on about this as divorce. No more of that of divorce. Maybe in green bay though. Why aaron rodgers not the only quarterback we need to follow this training camp. That's next right here. Kgan espn radio. Do own or rent your home. Sure you do. Fortunately geico makes it easy to bundle your home and car insurance. It's a good thing too. Because having a home is hard work go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Geico dot com easy.

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Hour 4: Organized Chaos

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Hour 4: Organized Chaos

"Jason jay williams subic podcast. Part of a lot to be a part of you. it is keyshawn djabel zubin. He's keyshawn johnson. He's jay williams. Freddie coleman on. Espn radio espn news. Xm channel eighty as well as the espn app presented by progressive insurance. Ten minutes away when it comes to your quarterback is he over hyped or underrated. We're going to get to that in about ten minutes. But there's no over hyping or underrating. Whatever the conversation is going to be involving the shawn watson future in the national football league reports happened earlier this week. That stephen ross. The dolphins said that konno's report. Try to make a this shawn watson gays the interests of the houston texans but brian floors. The coach double down that he is not interested in shawn watson taking over his team. I will say that too is our quarterback. I think that's a good training camp. I think he's made a lot of progress. A i think he's made a lot of improvement and we're pleased who areas and he's a. He's he's gone about his preparations from new england. The way should be and that's where we are the team freddy. That does sound like he's not interested in the job. Yup that just sounds like a coach. Dad is continuing to try to inject Certain spirit into his quarterback and keep his spirits. High does not sound like ryan of says. He's not interested in the shower watching. I mean i know several days ago. He made the comments that he wanted. You know certain character guys things that nature so people automatically started to place that with the issues. That desha watson is having off the field that that meant that. He didn't want to shine watson. I think when you look at that plus this. All he's doing. You're setting hisself up either way i can get in it or i can get out of it. If the shot happens to land in miami. I always say that. Hey everything checked out. The we needed to check out. We always felt he was a character. Guy yada yada and if it doesn't go to where he can always say it wasn't gonna work for us because his character was in question. So i'm not ready to say that. The miami dolphins are satisfied with tour and they are not looking at other options. If it presents itself i mean just look at this list right here for this shawn watson. Time-line january were trade march. First of two thousand. Two active civil lawsuits filed against watson april notable companies like nike and. Dre beats by dre halted sponsorship deals twenty fifth reported to training camp august ninth returned to practice after five the absence. Still seeking a trade look. I don't condone any of the actions. And i know still has to be proven in a court of law. There's still a long way to go with that and also understand what the nfl how they're going to handle that but the the talent speaks for itself and the one thing i've seen in sports is look at. It would've figure this out like people still want that talent. People were still enamored with talent regardless of whether they found him guilty or not guilty right right and and that's just the reality of whether we like it or not and we're in the business of winning games and some people have principals. Some organizations do different than others. And all i'm saying is i sit up. You're not like people still aren't interested into shawn watson. We would be remiss to think that way fred. we'd be remiss in keyshawn and j. Here's the deal. That's the conversation because if you're willing to take a chance on that guy you'll spend any way forward because they've been playing players and j you mentioned this a inbetween before we came back. You said people in the nfl that got second chances for example leonard little who took away a mother. Three children Being under the influence in an automobile accident but because of his talent they not saying. I don't wanna say they made excuses for it. That's a bad phrasing. But they made enough to say we're going to bring this guy because he can help our football team but what about this. They're able to try to push that aside as much as possible because they believe in the theory that this this too shall pass. It's the same principle my opinion with the shawn watson. And that's what struck the key. I could see his wheels circular and going. You know what we can have the conversation about what what about this. What about that. If a team believes that dishonor watson can help them they'll try to spend it forward as much as they possibly can no matter when he's going to be on the football field if that's going to happen in twenty twenty one. Yeah based on the accusations that he's being charged with right now. It's not as easy as signing shy watching as it was a leonard little mini years ago with the rams Or dante stallworth. When he had the accident in florida this is a little bit different right. And what i mean by that. Freddie is stephen ross is maybe kicking the tires on it or maybe there's other owners kicking the tires on it but those other owners potentially in general managers in hair coaches they have wives and potentially daughters and grandchildren at our female. It's a little bit different. You've got to have conversations. Imagine your wife your daughter you gotta have those conversations free. That's just not as because you should have those the wife of an owner or daughter of an owner. They have friends to in their friends may be female and they're going to have those conversations. I always say that the wife of an owner has a girlfriend that they'd sit wind together and they want to know what's going on in their business. Imagine that next door neighbor asking your wife. Why would y'all sign that guy. Dick so they gotta get checks and balances and checking the boxes to make sure that they're doing everything is just not as easy as he's a very talented quarterback we're getting ready to sign him no matter what anyone says because can you withstand all of the backlash and the fire. That would be coming at you. I remember the michael vick situation which is a little bit different. Michael vick spending time in prison as we know because of the dog situation down in georgia area he got out and it was a mad crazy zoo outside of philadelphia eagles headquarters on a daily basis but the philadelphia eagles. And andy. reid. They had to figure out if they can withstand that type of backlash that was coming on a daily basis. Now if it's the miami dolphins they've got to see if this is the temperature that we wanna take and make sure that we don't want this sort of behaviour continuing in our organization that we got the right people in place to handle the situation from rehabilitation standpoint. All those boxes gotta get checked in. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't but it's a long ways away in my opinion from him being able to put on the miami dolphins uniform and play. I agree with you. That's why there's no need for. Brian floors to say anything about it. You just hold your car. You just stick type. So why did he say anything. Well i mean well. He's talking about because i'm sure it's going to be asked question a muddy but he didn't say anything that's why i say anything that's why i say that off ready. All he said was. I want care guys character guys and into into was our quarterback with the reason i say i hear you but at a certain why even say anything at that point so i'm saying also for to right recognize i'm saying you guy and also right immediate say. Hey look to was are now like it's that simple. He's garo now. I get and if he's not our guy because we were chance. Get the shawn watson if this gets cleared up then we'll handle it then because he probably won't be our guy from now he's got well. Put it this way when you double down quarterback that people want if you actually believe in you actually tell you double down on leads and it's not just me but people covered. The team may soon need to double down on to. If he's your guy. Tell us twice your retold. 'cause you you keep asking me questions in rumors are coming up so i have to address them if i run from it. It's one of those damned. If i do damned if i don't think that's it so if i run from it you're gonna say well he's reading from it so it must be true so i answer it. You still gonna say the same theme. So i can't please you regardless in these situations so might as well give confidence to my quarterback because guess what i'm going to always change my mind if it benefits the organization and the team i could always say something else came available that way better a right. It's just that i meant look football. Players it athletes or throwaways. They are just throw away. This an assembly line. Bill parcells always told me symbol nine. It goes around one person gets off. Another person gets on the moment that person gets off. There's probably somebody better getting on. And that's what could potentially happen with the miami dolphins to work and get off watching gets on and guess what is gonna keep going around and somebody else and somebody else get on by keyshawn johnson. J. windsor freddie coming to keyshawn jalen zubin on espn radio. The espn app expert channel eighty and espn news presented by progressive. Insurance guests. Always hang out with us and join us on the goodyear hotline. So that's the conversation for another day. It's time to bring in james still. I'll beer to produce one of the best in the history of man beards. In china it is greg warriors. It is on point. We're going to do a little over underrated when it comes to. Nfl quarterback so missed. Yinzer yourself james steele. The floor is yours brother. Doing all right So over hyped or under going to go through some cornerbacks here. I matthew stafford over hyped or underrated. I would say i would say. He's over hyped not underrated. I think hype is the fact that he was in detroit. He never won a playoff game. He put up a lot of big numbers. He had a guy named matron who just put on a go jacket. A few weeks ago asked his main target at the wide receiver position. They move him for a slew of draft. Picks to detroit from detroit to los angeles in exchange for jared goff. There's a lot of hype surrounding around him. Based on chom mcvay saying hey the guy that we need is matthew stafford to take to the promised land so that hype is build up around him if he does not j. Some things can go wrong in. La yeah i feel like he's more underrated though. I feel like a lot of people always say. Well he was in detroit and you know. He couldn't lead into where they need to be. And jared goff was a guy he took him to the super bowl. And this is gonna come back to haunt. Sean mcveigh. it's going to come to halt less. Need they're not going to be able to get a championship. It feels like there's a lot of energy tours matthew stafford that way zoom in my eyes. Okay here's nothing but up from matthew staffer has just performed the ways performed with detroit. Were better weapons. Sometimes you can be underrating over hyped. He's over hived in had based on what you just said because now we're going to find out if it was not matthew staff it all those years. Well the reason that they were not able to get to the playoffs or when the guy the players they didn't win was because the organization held them back. Well we're gonna find out now because this is the best. Nfl team he's ever been on this the best. He's been since high school in texas. You gotta defense on the other side that got a bunch of filthy mcnasty and you got an offense coordinator slash coach. Sean mcveigh that can dial place if they get to the plaza. He doesn't win then. Those worse was going to get louder that whole maybe the organization didn't hold you back. Maybe was you matthew. Stafford the hell the lines back. I next the guy he was traded for. Jared goff over hyped or underrated. See in my opinion. i think. Jared goff is underrated. I like jared goff. You got an opportunity to lead his team into the playoffs a couple times. He went to the super bowl. Hey look in the end that at the end he didn't win the super bowl. He went up against brian. Floor is in the new england patriots. But it's a lot of teams lost to the new england patriots in the super bowl. Callum on your hand in another finger six. So i liked jericho. He may never be the jared goff that everybody expects for him to be but i think he is a dominant quarterback in this league. He's done a tremendous job. He's gotta turn down turnovers though if he can somehow get the turnovers down. I think you'll be fine. Okay let's see. Jared goff dig detroit out of the whole like if there was all that i know about that. There's there's all this energy about matthew stafford him not being able to do it. Let's see jerk jerk off. Doing is over hype news. I think i. I think he's a little bit far from his days of bringing rams who the super bowl and always talent. Here's some questions about his work ethic. Supposedly that's what i heard. But let's see if he can dig. Detroit out underrated slightly. Here's why because he was the fall guy for what did not go right for the rams. It was very easy that when they didn't win. The super bowl was jared gospel. While we get out of the playoffs slash in terms of getting out of that. I want the beating. Seattle's jared gospel. Well i think if you're jar. Ibp owed about them. Oh wait a minute. I wasn't one out there not running the football effectively. I was not the one calling the wrong place at that at that time. I think he's unabridged from the standpoint of you know what we'll see how we're going to make this work in detroit. This way can show you guys. That i wasn't the reason why we did not want us all. We did not advance. Here's what does he need to do in detroit. In your opinion to rise above matthew stafford players around him winning. Put it this way. If you're jared goff do what matthew staff were not able to take a bunch of guys and nobody believes and raise them above their level. Many people want matthew. Stafford could do that. That he just kept god's same level. Outside calvin johnson super world wide receiver. You can raise other guys love with a new coaching staff. Then your name gets a lot bigger than detroit raised guys that we have no idea there are levels man i could give you a number of we got time. I'll tell you during the break. Okay good i was going to defer to kisangani that way. Now if i tell you got your right now it's going to be a little bit later. James was next and let's go back to the. Afc north baker. Mayfield over hyped or underrated. This ought to be good. I think he is well. Could he be both. He could be fairly rated fair market offering. Here's what i was saying. He's underrated in the reason. He's underrated because he comes with. A lot of hype. See how did that. And when you come with. A lot of hype. People sometimes don't appreciate you. And i think baker mayfield needs to be appreciated not only amongst the cleveland browns fans but amongst the nfl community has oh. He's done a terrific job. Only thing he's ever done has grown since he's been taking over at the quarterback spot in cleveland. Kevin fancy comes in there all. He does get better week to week. We saw what he did in the second half of the season and then he leaves them into the playoffs this year. I think they make a stronger. Run in the playoffs doesn't mean they'll go to the nfc championship game just means that the afc championship game. It just means that they'll be a much better football team. He see. i think he's fairly rated But i'm afraid of him being over hyped by the media because of the way he finished the season you know when he finished the season people were saying. That's the top picking nfl draft. We've been waiting for. That's a superstar chemist. Asking a company. They're still going to play the game the way they play the game. They're run heavy offense and they're going to you know different play action. He's going to be able to find a seems fine pockets. I like the way he plays over set expectations that baker mayfield is going to be next level all the time. He doesn't need to be that you in order for this team to go deep. I'm gonna say is over but it's not his fault and here's why because maybe we'll compare them to johnny manziel when he came out of college. I said that's one of the dumbest comparison. I've heard because johnny manziel as a human being was nowhere near baker mayfield and i mean that in a bad way for johnny manziel compared the baker mayfield and to your point jay the way he finishes rookie season. That led to a whole lot of cleveland browns bandwagon. And i said back then. They slow start to the season. Do they have enough there. That they can overcome. That they got the their brains taken out by tennessee. They never recovered lash. At the end of the year he finished with twenty six touchdown passes nine interceptions for my money. It's the best offensive line of football. He's got some dudes running behind him. It kareem hunt and nick up and doing the outside if beckham during could beat out. Odell beckham junior without all the circumstance. They could be a very special offense but it's not his that he's over high because they weren't picking the draft that comparison the johnny manziel and people are saying. Well now you got a chance on the stage against patrick mahomes opening day you gotta be close to his level embiid games like that and you gotta play better. If he's able to do that he'll definitely to. Over high freddie that was a bad surgeon if his brain got taken out and he wasn't able to recover. I don't want that. Do not know said to be any medicine. So that's my on that one James all right. Let's stick the afc north and finally instinct about ben rothlisberger. Go over hyphen underrated. I think it. I think at this stage of his career. He may be a little over hyped. I think pittsburgh steelers fans are hoping that he becomes the obama out burger. Now look in the preseason. He did a terrific job but the preseason is only a of games a couple of series. And that's pretty much it. Let's see how things go seventeen weeks plus for being around this. Bergen gonna pittsburgh steelers in that arm yes another. I think he's fairly rated. I think you know he's had a great career in pittsburgh pittsburgh. They were undefeated last year before they felt like they got decimated with injuries and things change quickly. Ben rothlisberger isn't a guy that's going to throw the ball crazy amounts of times during the game. He needs a great running back and now sierras. I think he now has where he actually has that. Multi-dimensional offense were just not all predicated upon his on. It's over high but when you're two times we were winning championships quarterback because he's had he's succeeded so much in his career. Anything he does people are going to hype it up. Is it his last year in pittsburgh if it's not as lashing pittsburgh where's you're going to go so that's why he's over hide from that standpoint because of what he's been able to do and to your point j what. We saw the first eleven weeks and they were undefeated. He was their running game. Let's call it as it is. They had no running game. He was running game and when things came back the planet earth they. He did not have enough in him to do that. You're right that run again. Offense aligned needs to be better but he's overhead because what he's done already now because it's too much around been rothberg. damn freddie. Did he go to space. The final frontier. Hey jeff bezos can do it. Why can't be rothlisburger all right. I didn't know that was an option here. But i don thought it was underrated overrated. The high all of a sudden is fairly. I'm like jeeze properly rated. I guess we're thrown in there right. Okay well anyway anyway. Yeah gotta be absolute no not at all right So collar murray over hyped. Kick us off. i think. I think it's over right i do. I honestly think it's over height because of the skill set that we're looking at passing the ball all over the lot throwing million yards doing all the little things that you like to see a guy in that type offense do. I don't think that the offense trans say translates to the nfl in terms of winning a lot of games a meaningful games. Getting making deep runs into the playoffs. I just don't kyle emerged good quarterback but for my money. I like something different. I'm buying stock in calum. Murray i say by essay an underrated statistically murray improved almost every passing category year number. Two with the car nose and had a huge increase on the ground. He ran for one hundred. Eight hundred. Nineteen yards and eleven. Td's so he's the developed. Great chemistry doj hopkins. His has aj agree now. I think there's a lot left in the tank. I think this is going to be season. Where he's really gonna explode on. Scene nine wins. I'm assays underrated. Thank you say this. His coach better get over. being over. hyped kingsborough. I hear you because they drafted quarterback because you brought this air rate system to the nfl. If you're not able to so that as wins into the playoffs column still be around. But they'll find a new head coach. When let me let me ask you this though freddie since she said if they get rid of cliff kingsbury kyla maria. You'll still be around so you think that a coach comes in off. The streets takes over. He's going to want to implement the air raid system because kyla murray in my opinion cannot translate into another system. this has been the system. He's been in his entire career whether it was high school college or the pro while i'm going to give them the benefit of that. I think he'll be able to adapt in the national football league. If a new coach is going to come in because he has enough special in him as a quarterback that he can be very fluid. I know he's been associated. The air raid offense. It's made success undefeated in high school. And what he did when he got to couch. Calamar has that kind of special skill set of my opinion. Not just to be an raid kind of quarterback. I think he can adapt whatever coach comes in offense assistant around him and play makers around him to make that work. That's just me but we'll say good stuff guys. He's jay will. He's keyshawn johnson. Freddie commoner keyshawn jabil zubin presented by progressive insurance all always stop by. Thanks to the goodyear hotline. We're gonna talk to coach. Used to coach in a division. That house run by all young guns. That is next. 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Right about now it's keyshawn jalen zubin. Espn radio espn news. Xm channel eighty and also sirius xm channel eighty anytime against. That's about to hang out with us. They hit thanks. Good your hotline. Let's talk to a man who was a great defensive coordinator for the baltimore. Ravens did a terrific job. The jets as well as the buffalo bills. Al's rexy rex joining us here. April at zuber. We are good my brother. You know what it's like there tonight at the nfl draft when your team. The jets drafted mark sanchez. And he started for you as a rookie. The page about the do that with mag jones. What is it gonna be like having a rookie quarterback that like your team led that team to the playoffs. That bill bill tickets hoping the same thing happened. Mack jones with the patriots this year rex. Yeah i think what people are going to see. Is that Like bill belichick is smart. He is smart football man. He's going to run the football and protect his quarterback that way and unlike the cincinnati bengals when they wanna throw it fifty five times a game. There's a difference you know you can put up stats with this rookie quarterback lookout gradients but the idea is to try to win a game to try to win. And that's what bill bella checks gonna do. He's gonna run the football protect the quarterback and by the way this guy does have a skill set and they actually have some weapons. Throw to this year unlike last year. so i think they're going to be just fine and When i saw that young man you know in the preseason i was like who skid looks like he's poised and obviously he's got the tools to do it he had about good of College year senior. Year is is any quarterback that i can remember. I mean joe. Pearl and You know shoot the ballot check just said you know what cam appreciate it but This kid gives us the best chance to win. And and he's only gonna get better weekend week out and so he's gonna go that route. What was it like for you rex. I know you had mark. Sanchez was rookie you alone. Mike tannenbaum made the decision to start a young guy that you went in picked in the first round but you had a dominant defense. You had a nice running game and you had a hell of a head football coach calling some defensive play talking about hillary clinton. But what is it like. You're able to manage the expectations of a rookie quarterback. Well first off my. I went in there with the expectations. That hey the whole league is going to find out how great a coach. I am like an idiot. I went in and saying. Oh we're going to win we're gonna district legally can fits all this kind of stuff. Anything is we did lead the league defense and you mentioned that great defense. We had now remember that great defense. The year before was twenty third in the league so we went in and said no. We are gonna flip this defense. We're gonna make it special. And i realized after the first mini camp. I never had a quarterback like that was a problem here. I made all these guarantees. And i'm like oh we have no quarterback. I mean no quarterback and so regardless if it was mark sanchez or somebody else. We're going to have to start a rookie. And that's when i sat back and said we're also going to lead the league in rushing look. We're not going to drop back a rookie quarterback fifty times a game and expect to win. There was no chance of that. And i think that's the way being around this game a long time. There's different ways winning and you guys touched on it right there. You see the new england's gonna play dominate on defense. And they're going to run the football i. I truly believe that. And they're going to go back and turn turn the page back You know about twenty years and it might not be you know sexy or whatever but they're trying to win games and bella check who is good as anybody and and You know having this young quarterback you protect the football team not just the quarterback but you protect the football team. And i think that's what new england will do rex. So what happens to cam. Where does cam go. Does he go anywhere does he. Just sit and wait for the right opportunity. What do you think well j. will i. I look at it this way cam. Newton was one of my favorite players. I mean i love cam. Newton and he dominated the league. Man was something that we really didn't see you. I mean a power running game quarterback and a guy that had the ability to make throws down the field of beach. It was never the most accurate guy. But when you know he he can hit guys and and He was he was tremendous. Unfortunately for cam he had a shoulder and i don't think he ever recovered from it. And when you look at him now trying to throw the football it. It's painful to watch. And i know this kid is tough as it gets and you see him struggling. He pushes that ball back. I just don't think he can rotate that shoulder. The way it used to. And he's not quite the same player he once was and that's really unfortunate because he was so special when he was younger but quite honestly guys i just don't think he's i just don't think he has it anymore and and You know look. He's got the heart. he's got the competitiveness. He's got the brains. But i just don't think he has the the arm talented once at rex ryan. Espn nfl analyst. Now part of the co hosting organized chaos podcast with bart scott. The first episode draw september twelfth on k. jay z. On espn radio and also espn news. Staying with in terms of people wanting to have players on their team. The whole conversation earlier this week rex. When jaguars head coach urban meyer talked about it could be the difference. Keeping a that's vaccinate and not keeping a plate that's unvaccinated and then the jaguars walked back what he had to say. What is your stance in terms of coaching. Having to make these decisions because to me urban meyer told the truth but lobue did not want to hear that from him. Freddie you're exactly right he told the truth and that's the thing about urban meyer. We've seen him. You know yet and people are like oh he's not ready for the nfl. Urban meyer scrape football coach. Okay i said he's gonna join the men's league. It's a lot different than college. But he's telling you the truth. No coaching the league is gonna say at other urban meyer and it slipped out when he said it but that is the truth if everything's equal if everything is equal then i'm gonna take the vaccine. Then he's gonna take the vaccinated player in the league. Doesn't want you to know that nobody wants you to know it but it is absolutely the truth and different rules and until the rules are the exact same then they will approach it differently but believe me. They were sitting back saying. Hey look man that they're the same kind of player i'm gonna take the guy that's vaccinated and because it's it's The rules aren't as restrictive. If there's a positive test so it just goes without saying you gotta availability. Man is huge in this league. And you know. And that's just the way it is whether you whether whether you agree with accent as the vaccination or not this is. The absolute truth helped me out with this. A little bit rex. Accounta- i always try and i don't know get jay will and others to understand that i'm not hating on kyla murray. I'm hating on the air rate system. If you got back into the national football league is a head coach. Are you. implementing that system. Do you like the era man you know. This is the thing when he came into the league. With clique's keith. Barry came in the league. I was like dude. It's gonna get smoked and quite honestly. It has because look in college football. You have a hundred some kids on on your roster one hundred kids on your roster so you don't care you can go as fast as you want. You can do all this type of stuff and you're gonna wear out that defense while you're wearing out your own damn defense and so we've seen him back off on that and quite honestly he's grown. He's a better coach now than he was when he came into the league yet. Let's face it this air raid system like they'd letty implemented from college. You had the greatest player on the planet in patrick mahomes and you were five hundred a head coach at texas tech by the way you had baker mayfield too. So it's like. Are you kidding me like this. This subject to win games. It puts up yardage puts up all this and i was criticized beyond belief about while she there you go always the nfl football neanderthal. Football still went. You'd better be able to do both. you need to. You know when you need to be able to run the football the close out games. You'd better be able to do it and the same thing is here. Look this isn't you know. I mean getting out basketball on grass. That's the most boring crap of all time. Okay kyla murray special. The andre hopkins special care. What offense you're you're going do you're going to be successful with those cads okay. There's no question. But we the mentality is and i think cliff knows it now you. It's not about how many snaps we can get. It's about winning football games. And there's two pieces of offense defense and special teams three phases of the game. And you need to understand how you can protect one side of the other. And quite honestly i think his defense is ready to take a big step forward but you as head coach got to bring back this air roy. Arrate thing and go back to them. Nfl office where you're balancing able to run the football you able to protect the quarterback instead of letting this this young superstar back there you know. Do his thing. He's gonna work as magic and if they were just you know like. I don't know how if people realize how special this young quarterback is but do more of the russell wilson type offense been this air raid thing. I think you'd be more productive rexy. You coach bart scott with the jets and with the ravens and now you're obviously doing a podcast with him organized chaos. I actually love the name me to tell me what it's about talk to me. Yeah really i tell you what we came up with the name. Because you know we're thinking can't wait we're gonna do but organize chaos when we were Turning this the The league on its head by by knocking your quarterback out by being the number one defense in the league. It was organized chaos. That people had no idea we were coming from and all that and it's probably the same thing here but we are going to sit back right after the games both of us are in new york doing doing different things for for espn. And we're gonna meet together and go over analyze these games and give you our. I take you know if you will are. are you know where it's just. We just came off watching the games. And now we're gonna give you our perspective and it comes from coach coach in the league bro. You know twenty years thirty some years and been around the game. The nfl game. All my life you'll get that perspective and you're gonna get a A pro bowl linebackers perspective. Now look let's let's be honest. The offense is are gonna get killed when we talk about. How far night. But now re really. It's good to be you know. We wanted to be informative. We're gonna be ourselves and and barton. I'd ever tendency not to pull many punches. So we're going to be if you are true honest honest evaluation of the games. What went right. What went wrong for your team and give you a a a you know. An immediate reaction After a game. And i think that's what we wanna do and we we're going to make it fun but we're gonna make it Informative and and and give our to To opinions and you can say what you want. These guys don't know anything. Okay been around the game. All my life bart scott spin around it all his life. We don't know much okay. we got you. We're gonna give you maybe a different look in You know to is that that have been around. I've seen a lot of snaps You're going to get our opinion and our immediate opinion on these games and and hopefully the language stays good because far drop them every exactly and i episodes available. 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I was just wondering if you thought that we should be using one of those first round picks and maybe trying to get a veteran receiver and their to pair with those young guys Just wanted to get your thoughts on it and if you thought that would be a possibility. Who do you think we roll after. The miami has a slew of wide receivers from devante parker. That guy. but i don't know that. I don't know that you want to get a veteran receiver in there. Because you take away from the young guys with a young quarterback jalen hurts that they can grow it over time. The been a real again my number for you on the menu. I this candy. I was calling to see off of cam. Newton say james route. Learn behind this for your so. When bill lease he'd go to bridge that they need for a couple of years. Somebody euros j. I wouldn't be mad at that. I mean if mike tomlin would take a chance on. I see them doing that. But i didn't. He said go pittsburgh. Yeah play behind. Big ben for a year learn from my tomlin's and really kind of pay his dues. You know situation like that could be fine if that's what cam wants to do. I don't know of cam at thirty two. Wants to be a backup. Bill and the respect to be a starter. You wait for the right opportunity. Somebody gets hurt. You get your playing time. We could see. I could see that. I mean yeah sitting there and being retired if being retired would have been have a hell of a year and he know retire. You know you may not be that last dance with ben. Rothlisberger people's the last dance for aaron rodgers in green bay. Let's that we're one more time. Line number one in. Call the roulette in from new york. What guys Did you make argument in the nfl that there is one legitimate super contender and each division. This year. jesse's vision or you can't you can't title contender tampa bay tampa bay buffalo. Pick one out of the north green bay. Obviously you can pick one. You can pick the rams. You put seattle kansas city. Of course you can pick ca. Easter dallas cowboys really. I trust watching over them. See you only you only trust them. Based on their history. I mean you don't trust them based on history i'm talking about what they are right now today also contenders healthy but we. We've talked about this multiple times. We we always said if dallas cowboys win a playoff game. they're good. I'll hear anybody talking about them. Win the super bowl. I got him going alone. Ways can stay healthy if they can stay healthy. I'll just washington defense dallas cowboys defense. Got to win. This guy looked like california. Too bad. it's not for keesa will on fridays. Mckay jay z on the mighty espn radio.

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Hour 2: Measure of Success

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

44:42 min | 3 months ago

Hour 2: Measure of Success

"Gee sante will. In the podcast. To be honest. Some people have been trying to eliminate the sons since the playoffs started. And now for the second time this year the sons went into staple center and eliminated a team from la. They are headed to the nba finals. Keyshawn jay williams zubin on. Espn radio the espn app presented by progressive insurance. Just typing going on and suddenly. I lost my train of thought tasted fits in presume and sit and we keyshawn johnson sitting with monica mcnutt. Who's in for j will and obviously guys. The story of the morning is all about phoenix. And chris paul and everything that's happening for that organization as the suns are headed to the nba finals and as great as that portion of the story is we've talked about it a lot. There's another side to all of this and that side has everything to do with what was expected for the clippers. It's easy to say. What if and this is one of those great. You know it's like my dad can beat up your dad. Nobody has any way to prove it. But what if run sports talk. So paul george gave us a little bit of light in that data now. Oh it's so true like every look. I grew up in the play the violin. My dad can beat up your conference. You don't look at me like that. I grew up effected the played the violin. I'm skinny now. they'll be mad. Say anything he has he. Has this like what it's like one. I goes to the side. And he's like what am i doing with my. I don't know that. I ever got from my dad beating up anybody else's that oh my dad could never see there you go. Why are you know we're not doing that. Go ahead discussing that. I'm not. I'm just telling you i don't know mother don't doing okay. Fits congratulates do. Y'all wanna talk about that you would. There are no no no. I was giving a little bit time the second year. I don't know my dad and don't want to know it too late now. All right well. I wanna doing at the top. Now that is that is on friday. I should put a sticker and monica. I'm going to be here tomorrow to get a sticker. I wanna stick her q. With the violin. Yeah and now we're sitting side by side on espn equivalent. Just just remember. We're on the same bus but we're on the same gig. Same gig all right not equipment that. There's no doubt about that. There's just so many we bring ice the parties. Yeah we bring ice parties. I you know. I hate to take behind the club the curtain but no. I'm not bringing ice deport. He's monarch if you have a party. I'm bringing ice chips and the chips like good chips pad chips like 'cause i'm doing value chips like name brand. No no wise. I'm coming with delays assorted. And you know my favorite late. July for doing the endorsements late july till she does. I mean delayed corn ships. So he likes. If i show up to your house to bag ice some generic potato chips like the small bag is 'cause i'm not rolling like that like are you letting me in like we don't need to bring anything. Just come okay. i appreciate that. Wow i think i've graduated from expecting my friends that bring things to the house for big nickel party or anything. I have not so just to be clear. I've not i'll be by like three years. Okay it's j. I mean he set up the invite okay so we can have a conversation now about paul george and this is what he said about the series. We saw the sons when one thirty two one zero three. This is what he said about the series afterwards. And how would have played out differently. If a certain of the person had been on the floor excuses healthy or unhealthy you literally want to session from from each game up to this point one possession in each one of those kings of this series being a lot different but same time understand to help. This team usually wins this time. You were very fortunate to be unabashed citing all pointing out that. This would be different if kobe was healthy. By the way it's keyshawn jalen zubin coming to you live from the seaport district at pier. Seventeen brought to you by chase. So monica when you hear that he says no excuses but there is a real conversation to have about what was expected from the clippers. And whether or not this entire thing at this point has been a success or a failure. Where are you on that all right. It was a successful season in that. How many teams get this far right. You're one of four team standing. It was not as season in the super team era. Because you bring a squad together to win and contend for a finals right the injury being what it is maybe too loyal fans who noted as an asterik but it is also what it is and i think the part that made yesterday a little bit more egregious is that we were on the brink of giving paul george flowers he had had these fantastic performances showed up in a big time way for his squad and then yesterday what a moment to shrink away i mean he registers in the bucks what would he have eighteen and one point. That's like the quietest what are you finished with. Total twenty-one the quietest twenty-one when his team needed more of that guy that has shown up and given forty different points and so. I think you gotta chuck this up to a failure with the goal that the understanding for the clippers was switched coaches. That was the piece that we needed to change and they didn't get there now whether you want to blame it on the injury or not ultimately they didn't get there so sorry doesn't count o. Say this fits. I would say that that it's certainly a disappointment. It's a failure second year in a row last year. They the bubble they got. They had a three one lead in in rented that and got sent home Gets hurt this year. it's part of it. People get injured. People get hurt. You know you can look at trae. Young he got hurt. They figured out how to answer the call in atlanta in even a score to the clippers figured out how to get the three to. Because paul george had an amazing night. We only score twenty one points last night. at once. upon a time he had eighteen like monica. say it but he didn't give enough We didn't go out in a choir. And i say we as fm in the front office. Not a clipper fan. because i'm not please clarify. Let me very show very clear. Oh my god that the clippers didn't go out in acquire. Pg with all the draft picks that the capital that they had to give up to bring him there along with kawai to be put in a situation where we're having a conversation about the clippers in their exit again now in all fairness for clipper fans. They could be happy that they got out of the second round. They can be happy with that okay. That's fine but it is a disappointment in failure. See bomber tai. Lue paul george. They're not sitting around saying while this was one. Yeah they're not doing that. They're building a new stadium in inglewood california. They're looking to hang a banner in that stadium before its bill and i think go ahead monica. And here's the other issue and you have this conversation about them being successful go say because in the end it's unlike the brooklyn nets who failed at winning a championship this year. They assembled three guys at different times. Right katie in play last year kyri misportrayed last year. Then you fast forward to this year. They got hit with injuries. Then they brought in james harden when he was coming from houston in fatman suit so he was out bills and heating pads everybody. So when you get a little fluff know. I think it was a uniform. Fluffy think about it when he got to. The knits gain is like well. Wait a minute. How did he lose. Eight hundred pounds truck. So you look at it. It's different than the clippers now next year for the nets. If they don't win it it will be phil experience. Okay and so on that note if we're going to use the nets as an example that squad healthy is far and away. The favourite things happen differently for them if they are healthy. Obviously this year but they're not complaining. Whatever move on the thing for me with the clippers is the west is getting more challenging. This phoenix whining going to wear. The denver nuggets drew my. Mary will be back. Utah jazz lakers reload. The window of opportunity for the clippers is shrinking in my mind. It even if you buy that. Kawai and paul. George can be your one two punch and those guys early thirties right. The rest of that supporting cast pat beverley the always going to and he played it. First two series for real right. Also please tell me which i think. Cb three said to pat. Beverly say wrong answers by the way but anyway the rest of the squad. Markets more senior. Being hobbled a little bit in this particular series to me. The window for the clippers is getting or getting smaller every single day and so it's really hard to find this season as success. I'll say quickly that. A little context always matters to these conversations. Do use a music example. There was a show called making the band years ago. They had a band out there. That was day twenty six and they have a great songs day. Twenty six their their record debuted at number one and they almost immediately lost their record deal and when everybody asked afterwards why he said look at the numbers of sales they had even at number one and look at how many people watch the show not enough people that watched the show actually bought the record. This band will never make. Were they a success for most bands that were for more successful than most will ever be. Where the level of success that they needed to be no and as a result. Unfortunately they're labeled a flame failure. This is the same sort of thing. Expectation was too high from the outset to make it happen. I'm going to go find my playlist with sunday day twenty. That record was fired by the way. Why are you doing that. I don't know the grew and it was. They had some good songs all right. It's bobby baena day in major league baseball. But he's not the only guy getting a big day or only person. Having a big day will explain that. Next jay z on. Espn radio and espn news. Now you've got compliance officers and every school that are going to be trying to figure out what's okay. What's not okay. The involvement of outside parties whether you think this is good bad or indifferent. It is changing. This is keyshawn jay williams. Zubin province. voice-over artist. I'm here to explain bottomless. How do i get across free refills on fries and drinks. Well here goes bottomless at red. Robin means free unlimited refills on the fries inside that come with every burger or entree that means free refills on steak. Fry sweet potato fries. Yukon kettle chips garlic fries broccoli sized soft drinks iced lemonade and even root beer floats offers. Expire into your appetite. Does now that. This is a metaphor for your business journey. 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Will we're sitting with keyshawn. Johnson and guys obviously a lot of conversation here about name image likeness. So we're going to get some expertise on it. I think we're gonna go right there too. So we okay. Good fourth wall got to figure out if he's joins us on the goodyear hotline brought to you by goodyear. Helping you discover the road ahead. Goodyear more driven paul. I want you to hear what jim cavill said. And he runs a company called influence. That's working with athletes to help them. Monetize he said this on janine golick junior yesterday about what top end guys could make off name image likeness. This is what he said. There's a student athlete. For instance up at the university of michigan that has between tick-tock instagram and youtube a lot of followers. We're talking about a million plus with a million plus followers. There's an opportunity to earn a million dollars a year. If you're crafty enough to know how to weave brands into the presence you have on those channels right and so. I think you're gonna see a lot of examples of entrepreneurs be born overnight. I've always been an entrepreneur. Since i played college baseball i didn't have social media or an i l. but a lot of athletes have that in many ways you have to take initiative to be an entrepreneur and now this new market is going to be given birth to overnight. And it's a multi hundred million dollar market that a lot of new student. Athlete entrepreneurs are going to be bored out of paul. What's your reaction to that. Jim is right to today. Is the most significant day in the history of the ncwa and that is not an understatement. Fits but costs of what is what is crumbling today. The model of the nc double a. is coming down and you can never put it back up again. The worth the worth the fact that the is really worthless after. Today's also a very significant moment but many arguing good or bad menu arguing pro or con but this has been coming for a long time in in. Everyone seems prepared. The athletes seem prepared. We in the media have been covering it as as competitively and as aggressively as we can the only people who don't seem to have a clue on july first twenty. Twenty one are the people who are in charge of this and that's the way they waited 'til yesterday to finally put this thing in the motion and the one thing that they were hoping to avoid and that had been chaos on july first is exactly what we're going to have today. Nobody really knows what's going to happen. It depends on where you are. And depending on which state you're in we'll determine what kind of rules there are and the ncwa pass what would only be described as an emergency. Stopgap to to give people give athletes in states who don't have an i l. legislation something to adhere to but at the end of all of this. It really doesn't matter whether there are rules or not because no one is really in charge. Who is going to enforce these rules. It is going to be the wild wild west. The athletes are going to make money and the schools are going to be looking around. Like what can we do about it. And the answer is nothing. Paul you hang out a little bit and tuscaloosa around that alabama program. You know nick sabin very well and nick. Sabin has been someone who could adapt through pretty much to any situation in and he has a strict policy in his program about social media and cell and things of that nature and communicating on the outside world. How would he you think he's going to be adapted to this new situation With the well. I think he's i think. All coaches are going to struggle keyshawn but the one thing about saving i think he is. Even though he's about to turn seventy years old. I think he's one of the most adaptable coaches in college football. And that's why he's so successful now what's going to happen when he's got a practice at two thirty on a thursday afternoon and his star quarterback's at a car dealership that that's what i think it's gonna come down to the reality. But but but i think coaches are going to have to be flexible especially with social media. But they can't have any bend in terms of hey coach. I can't make it today. Because i'm i'm doing a signing. If they let that happen keyshawn. You know the the walls around that program. We'll start crumbling. Paul let me ask you this. Here's my concern is my real my my only real concern with it and you tell me your concern. Is that concerned that the athletes will start to focus in more on trying to figure out how to make money to monetize all the social media all the different things in lose focus on why they're at the universities to begin with you. Do you think that could potentially happen. Yes i completely concur. I interviewed mario cristobal yesterday. The oregon head coach and he said that's something that we are sitting down and talking to the players every day about. But listen i if even even adults like us yes now i'll i'll i'll carefully include you into that group sean. I don't have here stuff like during do it during a nationally televised radio and television show. And we're looking at our phones where we're checking whatever there is to check. I mean we're adults. How about being seventeen or eighteen years old and you're about to go into practice and you get you get hit up that you know on cameo you just you just got a request for two hundred and twenty five dollars. I mean that. I think is a real problem. That coaches have to figure this thing out. I am not saying that there won't be a learning curve key. I'm not saying there won't be a learning curve. I customarily do my instagram story post. While i'm sitting here on the show. But i think the idea that student athletes age. What eighteen to twenty two will not adapt. I mean they are the most pliable group. I also think is a little bit asinine to think that kids are now. I'm gonna miss practice to be at a car dealership. What in the ridiculous this. You're gonna be off the team. If you keep playing around now will there be some bad apples. Sure but i have maintained since this became a conversation paul instead of bucking. It do like we do with everything else. I had plenty of academic advisers. There was plenty of support staff around the team when i was a college basketball player at someone. So the staff to help navigate and you mentioned some of these companies that are working with institutions to mediate claire relationships. And this branding piece. This is where we are and we all know. We can't turn back the hands of time at this point but to me. Leanings of what these kids are capable of. They've grown up with these cell phones in their hands. Are there distraction shore but teach them best practices moving forward instead of being resistant. I agree with almost everything you said. Except i think here here is the difference and yeah there are a lot of temptations as a college athlete. You guys experience it. I didn't but money is different. And i think there's the idea of making money versus meeting your friend or two different things and you may be right after a while. The bud may be off the bloom here and we'll come down. I'm glad this is starting on july first. As opposed to september first or later in the calendar of. But i think for the most part they will a doubt. But that doesn't mean everyone else will because there may be that opportunity and yeah i would agree. The car dealership is a little overdone but a lot. There are a lot of pressures from companies. And the one thing that. I think that we haven't thought about very much shawn and everyone else is the underbelly of this plant the frustration of players who are not making what the man or woman next to them are bringing in and we all we all try to make money and i think there's going to be a lot of competitiveness there too all right we're talking to paul finebaum monkey schon jay williams zubin jason fitz in for zubin monica mcnutt. Infra j. will so. Paul i want to at least quickly make sure people understand name. Image likeness does not mean. The school will actually be paying any student. it's just allowing the student to monetize off of their name image likeness and what the ncwa did was. Essentially to. Your point earlier was said. Hey this is a stopgap. This we're going to let all fifty states do whatever all fifty states to is there some point in your mind where the ncwa will actually come out with a strong ruling of what they expect everybody to do rather than let it be a state by state issue. You know the answer that the answer is no. We watch the twa last year at this very moment blink and go underground while we were trying to determine if there was going to be a college football season mark emery. Who's the president of the ncwa is is going to go down in the history books as one of the most ineffective leaders of any organization anytime anyplace in this country and that's covering a good bit of ground is we're heading toward the nation's birthday on sunday. He has offered nothing and he will offer nothing. He is an empty suit who continues to collect four or five million dollars a year. Frankly by by giving no opinions because the people that really run college athletics and those are the commissioners of the power five conferences. They laugh at him behind his back they. They're critical of him. They don't want him to do anything because he does something. It infringes on their power. They run the sport right now. So and that's why. He got a contract extension a couple of weeks ago because nobody wants someone with a lot of firepower ideas creativity and leadership skills to run this organization right now real quick before we let you go paul how much we key of made during history. Let's just get a number going back key. Let's let's put key in today's world where we're talking about seven figures. Keyword been lucky to make a hundred bucks. But here's why now social media. Because i mean keyword have ticked off every influence or out there if the car dealership in beverly hills called key in key. Would've told that guy what to do. And finally they would have said no no moss. We're not dealing with this guy. We may be giving up a lot of money but he makes no money under. That is a strong. Take paul finebaum. You could check out the paul finebaum show obviously thank you so much. We appreciate your expertise. My thanks to stay safe have great guys. Great stuff from paul as all right about that though. You know what i chipped like five bucks in just to see what you mean okay. What would have been the first thing you would do to. Monetize is not social media. Because i've seen guys credo brands like what would you have done. I don't know it'd be honest with you and that's why you wouldn't be making i don't know i mean i don't know what i've done because you made a line of headband. Visors a lot. You're you're i. Guess i guess it would have been something in the fashions. Yeah maybe i mean you know. Maybe there's a shoe deal. That can be carved out. Yeah that'd be careful with those shoes too by the way for anyone. That doesn't know most states. It says regulations. You can't sign a shoe deal. That competes with the deal that your actual university has to that's okay. I don't need to wear nike hockey weird. Three striped adidas. I don't because sc is a nike school like that. Look at that. In fact. I did something like that but i'll explain to you. Let's just like you guys. Were just getting bags of cash anyway. Back then. I'm just saying one of my homeboys pointed out now that this is on the table can we have a thirty thirty on all the things that went down anyway since it doesn't matter now anything okay. That's that is the best. But he would tell gangster right there. All right the the question. We'll get back to name him his likeness throughout the course of the show but is baker. Mayfield even atop dozen quarterback in the afc will do baker's dozen that coming up after sportscenter toward a wind down six on the shot blocks during down more sooner who is lex pulls up for three safety three hotter than fifty degrees looking at the setup routier at staples center ready to pop his dollar. Say how do you like me now. Mark jones on. Espn radio on the call sportscenter. Right now chris. Balls forty-one points leads the sons to a big series-clinching game six win. The clippers have been eliminated in the western conference finals. Paul at all players with forty one points. The second most in a playoff game by a player thirty-six older in nba history. If you like staff got more. Paul will play his first. Nba finals game in the one thousand. Two hundred and fourteenth game of his career that's the second latest into a player's career to appeal appear in their first finals. Game behind only kevin willis sticking in the nba janas onto coupon news and mri. On wednesday shows no structural damage in the left knee of the buck star after awkwardly landing during game. Four on tuesday listed. Did this doubtful for game. Five milwaukee tonight series is tied to milwaukee's out largely depends on the health of yaish shocking. If he were to miss the rest of the postseason. Bp says the bucks chances to win their first nba title. Since seventy seventy one would drop from forty eight percent to twenty three percent. And no i have no idea how they figure that out. Coverage of game five on. Espn radio starts at eight pm. Eastern and also anchor went down. Mississippi state wins their first. Ncwa team championship in school. History with a nine nothing win over vandy. Mississippi state throws a combined one hitter mississippi state now the first team to throw a one hitter in the college world championship world series championship. Game it was the bulldogs twelve. Cws appearance to most appearances before winning a title by any division one team in history sports center brought to you by straight talk wireless beer own. Hotspot was straight talks. Ultimate unlimited plan. Get ten gigs of hot spot. Data for just fifty five bucks a month all on america's largest most dependable networks. Straight talk wireless no contracts. No compromise compatible device required. See straighttalk dot com. I'm like lays down the Nine oh why not keyshawn. Jay williams zubin on. Espn radio the espn app. Siriusxm channel eighty jason fitz sitting in for and monica mcnutt sitting in for j will. We're sitting keyshawn johnson than that that noise that music beautiful beautiful music. The word music apparently makes my heart. Happy raiders pep raiders. Therapy session now. We're we're we're done with the raiders for a minute. Well i mean my therapist would say. I'm never done with the raiders. So much anger all right. I we need to get a little bit of thought from keyshawn here and we're going to let keyshawn have some fun at the expense. Possibly of our good friend mike tannenbaum. Espn nfl front office insider. This is what he said on get up about baker mayfield. Look at kevin fieschi track record thing minnesota with case keenum. They won with kirk cousins. Baker mayfield is very much a replaceable. Part he's got one productive season two out of three. That is not great at the quarterback position so at best. He is the best quarterback in the afc. That's a hot take and that leads us to keys. Real rankings. keyshawn. Johnson is gonna do something amazing spectacular. He's gonna rate one to baker. That's right he's just going to start ranking the afc quarterbacks from top until he gets to baker which by the way if you've got baker number one overall is going to make this a very short segment. Well he was a number one overall. Pick that he's number one on my list of you gotta start. Obviously we patrick mahomes number one number one guy. I never heard of him right and clear cut what he is. Mvp super bowl champion. All the five hundred million dollars new young baby all the great things number. Two josh to josh allen number two josh allen number two in the afc. I don't see anybody right now. Could i guess you could slightly move him down but look he was an. Mvp candidate year ago. They went out and got stefan digs. He showed what he went out to doing. And get things done. He let him all the way down to. Afc championship couldn't quite get it done. But here's number three three okay. God and i was just going to ask you a question about coating lamar jackson. Lamar jackson is number three. Mvp candidate again this year. After winning one two years ago. I think he retool the offense skill position players for him. Get him underneath the center. I like he met the quarterback spot. A lot of people think he's a running back or wide receiver playing quarterback. I think he's legitimate quarterbacks in the national football league foods and what else do you have to do it. The marchetti kabbadi. Everybody tries to win. They try to break down his ability at the quarterback position to be able to throw the football rather than just that joy that success that he's been exactly that's old get over it all right. Let's go number of or derek carr preach rate thankfully the. Hey hey hey. Hey breathe breathe. I think i think darren car's been assistant of a quarterback is anybody in. Nfl throughout his career since coming as a second round pick out of fresno state. He's had obviously some coaching changes. He's been with john grooten now. Three going on four years. They haven't had any success at all. In terms of getting to the postseason they start off hot all the time but the defense seems to let them down. He's doing all this without a number one wide receiver not a tie in but a wide receiver. That means a guy that's detach. From the line of scrimmage. In playing from the end to the sideline he does not have a number one steal any still getting it done. This is always my derek. Carr question that i think puts it into perspective if he was the starting quarterback of the colts for example. Would we be talking about the cults. Dare cars a super bowl contender. Yes there you go. I think you still talking about one of these guys is on this list as a super bowl could tend to before going. I just want to point out the twinkle in his eye. When you said. I played the anthem for the raiders. Car came up to me afterwards and bro. Hug me i was like. He's so excited twinkle in his eye. I know how to get his cheeks red on his face. That a little warm in here fine. Five young quarterback is emerging in. Afc west justed. Herbert herbert didn't even know he was going to be the starting quarterback game one of last year he came in as a rookie and took the nfl by star. Didn't win a whole lot of gains with certainly show a number of flashes to everybody that he is here to stay and he's only going to get better. We keenan allen and mike williams they got a new head coach so that part of it will be interesting. But he's here to stay no no concern about only one year proof of concept no guys. That guy's dead guys that usually start off it's in this type of situation. Continue to go. You never see guys start off like this and then just disappear. It's why drink. I mean number number six that now. Here's number six people go crazy. They gonna lose they damn mind. I don't know why because they don't like this dude. He's polarizing he. He didn't have a good year last year. And that will be cam newton. He wears a scarf. They don't like his shoes. He dresses weird. He's not tom brady. He didn't he didn't play well last year. Despite not having any weapons of no nothing knows nothing at all. I'll tell you what he did. Aki that people forget cove. It i mean when you think about it you can use covert as an excuse. But i'm the first person to tell you. And i'll tell cam when he comes on the show. If you don't live up to my expectations you should retire in. I think cam. Newton will live up to the expectations. This is why bill belichick went out in loaded the deck and brought him back because he knows what he has and he realizes that. Hey we didn't have anything around him. His best receiver was julian edelman. Who got hurt. Then he his second best was jacoby. Myers undrafted ex quarterback from nc state. Who eventually turned out to be a pretty good fine. For the new england patriots to defenses retu- they spent over two hundred seven million dollars Josh mcdaniels is back. They bring back a matt patricia to run the defense. This'll be a different totally different team for those haters. That are out there number seven this is this is the one. I don't know we haven't seven. Yeah i was waiting on numbers. All good numbers quarterback that people basically thrown away as carson wins they look at carson wentz tenure last year and a half in philadelphia and problems that he had on and off the field with the teammates and things of that nature and the coaching staff in the pouting and not playing basically to a degree. Being beat out by jalen hurts and then asking quietly to be removed from the team and being put on another team any lands in india. Where frank reich a guy who coached him in philadelphia when he has success and helping his team go to a super bowl prior to his. Acl tear i think he he hits a rebound think about it. Philip rivers is old as he was led them to buffalo in a playoff game that they could have won. They could've one that football game against buffalo. You replacing philip rivers all that talent that the indianapolis colts have and you and certain carson winston there with his former offense coordinator quarterback coach. I think it's a match made in heaven. I think based on what i believe. He'll be one of the top quarterbacks in the afc okay. it is as i know we gotta go. It is as simple as a new environment for him every ninety one absolutely because when you change environments the coach can get you right mechanically. You'll mintues going to change. The players are going to give you the benefit of the doubt in that room. They're they're gonna look at you. Go okay he gets the benefit of the doubt. I like him and you can kind of see it happening in the off season already all right we had to pay it off like you said one baker you went one through seven got baker at eight and then you get to say right now. We'll get your lie. He's got baker at eight. And also. Why you hate my a bunch of quarterbacks in the afc there's just a bunch of fans right now they're going to be yelling keyshawn. We'll do all of that later in the show but coming up how much it bucks fans be freaking out about their injured. Mvp we'll tell you after key. Has this from rumble on. Do you have a motorcycle. Atv or even a truck sitting in your garage that you've been waiting to sail with rob alone dot com. You can easily turn your unused vehicle into cash in minutes. Rubber rupp rubble on dot com. 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Espn radio the espn app. Siriusxm channel eighty presented by progressive insurance monica. Monica mcnutt input. Will i'm jason fitz in brazilian. We're sitting with the one. The only keyshawn johnson song to bring them what it'll be okay monica's on the song. The nba eastern conference finals are on espn radio tune in tonight game five bucks host. The hawks presented by indeed coverage begins at eight. pm eastern on most espn radio stations. By the way that's right after the glorious spain and fitz which you should check out right before that for an hour. It's usually on seven to nine. Pm eastern monday through friday plug your show when you want another show. I mean that's that's what we do here right. We blow everything. So we're gonna head over to the goodyear hotline to get some thoughts on tonight's match up between the bucks and the hawks covering that voice. Espn nba reporter joining us now. Tim bontemps tim always appreciate your time. What's the latest greatest news that you can give us on to compose health. We listen to dolphin for tonight's game jason Hyperextended left knee or right knee and obviously that's a good news scenario. I think given how ugly that injury looked In third quarter game four when he went down in atlanta. I mean certainly. I think everybody watching that was afraid that that was going to be a a real long-term injury but the way he went down in the way you know he kinda struggled to get up and get off the court initially But in the short term obviously doubtful for tonight certainly seems like we hope play today and what the rest of the series in question and for a buck seeing that was certainly expecting to go to the nba finals. Being pretty heavily favored to win the series. You know it certainly puts that into doubt too so You know it's gonna require guys. Chris middleton your holidays. Step up and going to be a big night here in milwaukee tonight and game. Five with the without jaanus in the lineup. The importance of chris middleton tonight and throughout the rest of the the series. Yeah keeps on christmas night. I think i have a huge game for vox. You know we. We've seen him do this. A bunch of times. The playoffs the obviously had to twenty point fourth quarter to get thirty eight points in game three to have the bucks. Come back and win that game. He had you know a bunch of big shots in that game. Seven victory against the brooklyn nets You know he's he's they're closer the guy they go to even when you on is in the game to make shots down the stretch and with jaanus out with the hearts and not really having an obvious guy to slow him down you know kevin hurt or something nice job. But he's not a you know an elite wing defender by any means You know i think middleton's gotta have you know thirty plus points tonight. I think for the box and know if he if he can do that. I think if you're milwaukee and feel pretty good at home about your chances. He has less than that you know all of a sudden. I i think the hawks Might have a chance to come in here and steal a game and a chance to close us out on saturday night. So i'm with you. And i think everybody that follows. The team knows that it falls on middleton and holiday. Step up in the absence of jaanus however i love digging into the not so obvious things when the double comes when the adjustment comes because this is no longer a play or cam radishes. Lock it up again right. Who is the next guy who are the the auxiliary guys that have to be rocking and rolling so that there's room for middleton and holiday to make it happen well monica. The thing about this bucks team is they do have to your point. A bunch of guys who can knock down shops from the perimeter. Right whether it's brook lopez whether it's Bobby portis who i think is a decent chance of being the to replace on us Whether it's guys like brennan forbes and pat kind of thing Coming off the bench You know and. I think they're gonna get all those guys to a degree to score more. But when you look at the when you look at the box if you're gonna pick pick a third guy that needs to step up. I mean brook. Lopez's is pretty obvious. Choice right he spent a bunch of his career with the brooklyn nets as a primary scoring. Option has made all star teams scored over twenty points per game is a really good low post score. And you know if you if you're going to pick somebody say hey. That guy needs to go for twenty to help. Chris drew out. I think brooke is the choice. But you know truthfully. I think the box at home you know you saw a game. Four without trae young. The others on the hawks stepped up and made a bunch of perimeter shots. And we're able to kinda lift that team up without their star. And i think tonight you know while it'd be good for the bucks to get broke to step up. I think the similar formula. It's going to be needed for milwaukee to come in here and get this win. You guys follow on twitter at tim. Bontemps tim we appreciate your insights on the game. Thank you so much for joining us my friend anytime guys. Thanks for having me you know. It's interesting guys. Because i just feel like so much of the conversation. Today is not even about the players and it's about the general lack of faith that people haven't coach but like it feels like people. Just don't believe that putin holes there can get this adjusted and i don't know if that's fair not monica. It just feels like that's where we are so you just use the word though. That is the no knock in terms of his ability to make adjustments. He's not going to while you the way tie lou did and for all the adjustments like in this series a team that has come out and punch the other team in the mouth. I is the team that typically goes onto the game now bear in mind seventy six percent of the time. The team that wins game one advances. And the hawks have done that already. This is why to me. And i said i take yesterday shuttled to mr ray young trays dad. Although i said the hawks were good team way before that If it comes down to the crunch for this one. The hawks have been six into in clutch clutch. Time wins in this postseason like this is a team that is not scared and is not gonna shallow away from the moment so i listen. I hope both superstar can get back on the floor but without them i am too. I think i'm thinking hawks. Yeah they need jaanus to win this thing. They gotta have jaanus on the floor. I don't think that drew holiday who i mean. He hasn't done it yet. In chris middleton they have enough to get past atlanta. It would atlanta's able to do so without trae young. I'm just so wait. And see. Because i feel like i said the same thing about trae young when he was out. The hawks needed to have trae young. And so there's a part of me at wookey getting into yeah. There's a lot to this conversation about what it means for everybody. But coming up mo money mo like bomani that's next k. j. z. On espn radio and espn news on tv. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. Fortunately geico makes it easy to bundle your home and car insurance. It's a good thing too. Because having a home is hard work go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Geico dot com easy.

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Hour 1: No Excuses

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

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Hour 1: No Excuses

"Gee sante will. Subic the podcast. We've spent much of the week talking about the start of training camp. What we couldn't have anticipated yesterday. Was it the. Nfl would make a large statement. Not just about training camp about their entire season and how kobe will be handled. Within the process of the national football league gets keyshawn. Jalen zubin on. Espn radio the espn news. Siriusxm channel eighty. And you're smart speakers. Parts got jason fitz. Good morning part. How you doing would it do baby. What what what did you see. Those are the things like well right out of the gates with the things. You can say that. I can't i it just doesn't work for me quote. No no like reversing go ahead. Ask me how i'm doing. What was going on. What do baby like. It just doesn't work from the first of all. Do you make it knows that you make yourself small. Sit with confidence right. You know what i'm saying. Sit sit like co pays shoes below what to do. I'm not even gonna try it all right. We're presented by progressive insurance all of our guest joining us on the hour on get hard and you will ferrell trying to tell you that. Well i i appreciate that you know i could use the toughening up. There's no doubt speaking of tough. We got tough words from the nfl yesterday in the form of policy and this is the memo that they sent two teams letting everybody know how cove is going to be handled this year. And let's start here part. We expected the league to speak. Because let's be real as much as we're all trying to get back to some sense of normalcy. This is still part of culture. This is still part of how everybody's living we expected the nfl to give us some sort of guidelines right. Because we're still going into a curious fall. We're nobody knows exactly how this is going to play out. But nothing's curious now because it's a ten page memo that's gone out and for anyone that hasn't seen it. The league is made a few things clear. They intend to play the entire schedule over eighteen weeks. That would be seventeen games per club okay. through that process. They do not anticipate adding nineteenth. Week they do not anticipate scheduling anything within their process that will allow games to be postponed and they have taken a very very hard line in the sand that they are not if your team causes cancellation because of a covert outbreak for non-vaccinated players. You will forfeit that game. It will be a loss that you have to take. Nobody gets paid and any economic losses will be at the feet of the team. That's had the outbreak from non-vaccinated players. If you're vaccinated the league will help in that process if it's vaccinated outbreak they'll help mitigate the cost but if not they're putting all of this at the feet so not only. Was this strong statement for players. This was also telling owners. We're gonna take your money you're going to have to pay for everything if your team's the cost and it's the thing right like you know. They tried to tried to ratchet up the pressure in the also. Right when you talk about you know saying. Hey if you wanna have a normal normal you gotta have at least. What seventy five percent a. You're you're building eighty-five eighty five percent of your building vaccinated and that in work right because we heard responsible to be her sam darnold. Come out say i don't. I'm not vaccinate. I don't know what i'm gonna do. And it's just we're getting closer and closer to the regular season. They thought that would be enough. People will just wanna have the freedom of being able to lift weights and be together being a live. Grenade thought maybe isolation. we're working to peer pressure will work. it didn't work Not a coming out of your money and then they know that's something that's going to get the attention but you know is very few times. Maybe once or twice during a year where you are dressed as a group by your owner. I think now owners come in and they're going to apply the pressure and the nfl has this thing that they've always had in this mandatory but voluntary right would make you feel like you have a choice right. Hey don't worry. We're going to have this voluntary many cab of these voluntary workouts. You don't have to come but probably eighty five percent of your teammates is going to be there and you may fall behind and if you fall behind we're not going to catch you up right. This is voluntary but mandatory. And it's going to be interesting because you're gonna have some tough conversations and some locker rooms and when you talk about losing game checks and everybody's everybody in that locker room isn't created equal. You know if you're mahomes if you're dak prescott game check is a lot more costly. Then say that undrafted fraser that six round draft pick coming in so now. They're ratchet up the pressure again and listen. This is going to be tough and this go either way. And there's so many layers to this and we have so much unpack. I don't know if we can do this in the first nine minutes at this show. Oh we can't. He's bart scott. I'm jason fitz. We're filling in for the guys on kishan jay williams zubin on espn radio one of the interesting. Every club is obligated under the constitution and bylaws. That have it's team ready to play at the scheduled time and place a failure to do so is deemed conduct detrimental. There is no right to postpone game. This is again to your point. I feel like if. I'm an owner. What i've just looked at is the nfl coming in and look anytime. Roger goodell speaks. He's speaking on behalf of the owners so the owners decided on this together. Let's not pretend that the owners weren't in on this conversation right so the owners have decided together that if you can't get your club vaccinated to a level that we have to postpone a game that's on you and i can only imagine if i owned a team that this becomes a much different conversation because the financial responsibility where they come in and say. Hey even non-vaccinated player causes an outbreak. And you have to postpone a game. Your club will be responsible for the costs. Now you're suddenly looking at it and saying. Hey not only am i as an owner paying your salary but i would have to pay out millions of dollars in postponements and whatever other money is involved in that like boy. If you're a fringe roster guy that's not vaccinated. I feel like that that becomes a really different different conversation. Yeah i mean he's not. He's not worth the trouble right and he you know. The benefits outweigh the the does the reward rewards right. But it's crazy right because they also have to pay for the team that's not going to get their game checks right on the other side right now just so much pressure being applied right now. I don't know how they listen to somebody's trying to figure out how to use this as a competitive advantage as well. Because if you're talking about guys that are going to be trying to okay. We'll we'll cut this guy and how you gonna figure out the source this how you forgot the source right if vaccinated like how much cover cover-ups and how much you're gonna have to do to try and figure out who vaccinated and unvaccinated and also the competitive advantage right. What if both teams have have have vaccinated outbreak and they missed the games. Then how do you go when they're in the same division. How do you figure out like as far as the playoff seeding and rostering because now you have two teams that fight for the same spot in the same division with one less way so now you gotta go to all the strength schedule who you lost to on that type of stuff. It can get very complicated. They're going to have to make adjustments is going to be moving the goalpost as they continue to figure this thing up. It's interesting because it may league officials spoke to brandon beane. That would be the gm of the buffalo bills after he said that a player potentially being vaccinated might sway his decision to cut some one word from the league office was gm was told he was not allowed to a to release a player quote solely duda to vaccination status. But to your point. They'll find something. It's not difficult to find a reason to get this. And i wanna be clear because we're gonna be talking about and by the way that some straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless. We're gonna be talking about this throughout the course of the day. Important notes evan. I'll ask i'm to re fourth wall here put that back. Jeff darlington was on today angle. Junior i want you to hear what he had to say about the nfl and where they are on safety look at the nfl was concerned at all about like the science behind the vaccine. There's no way that they would be putting any type of potential mandates. No no way they would be saying the players like get this axiom so you think that the nfl pills feel pretty strongly about this if if they're putting themselves out there saying like get this vaccine like sure doesn't seem like that they're worried about Potential thaw from a now. I'm not suggesting that would influence anyone's decision. I'm just saying that to me. That tells me that the nfl absolutely is dug in on this one and wants its players is basically making it very clear to them out. Then you have to be back to the play that that you'd better get back needed or you're risking a lot here. That's some straight talk straight. Talk wireless no contracts no compromise. We're just getting started with this conversation. There's a lot to unpack with all of this. I will say this loudly. This is not a political conversation. We're not gonna make it a political conversation. This is about what your favorite. Nfl team is dealing with right now and trying to figure out how to go within the guidelines of what has been negotiated from everyone and is now clearly in front of these players with that being said one of the biggest names in the nfl made a strong statement about whether or not he wants to stay in the league. It was shocking will tell you about it next but first has this from grainger for all the ones who get it done. Grainger is always there to help. Grainger offer supplies and solutions for every industry. Twenty four seven support free access to product specialists and experienced is at over two hundred fifty local branches plus their commitment to ban. Your safety partner can help you. Keep your facility safe and your people even safer. Call one eight hundred grainger click grainger dot com or just stop owned by the. Nfl was concerned at all about like the science behind the vaccines. There's no way that they would be putting any type of potential mandates. The fact we haven't heard from the union tells me that they signed off on this. This is key sean. Jay williams zubin bowl ole boy. If you've ever listened to to me on any. Espn radio show. I always come back to one thing with the nfl. And it's important right now to have some context. I'm excited to talk about this. As we continue to break down the breaking news yesterday of the nfl's vaccination policy and their cancellation policy. Coming into the season keyshawn. Jay williams zubin on. Espn radio the espn app espn news. We're all over the place. Jason fitz parts got sitting in for the guys we're presented by progressive insurance. We will have some great guests on all of this on all things. Nba today over the course of the show and the goodyear hotline so obviously bar. We've been talking about the policy for anyone that happens. Hasn't seen it the nfl is essentially said i'll paraphrase because there's a lot and i don't wanna take everybody's time with it but they they're not going to allow postponements if you have a team with the outbreak because of a non-vaccinated player you will forfeit the game. It will go down as a loss on your win. Loss record and the team will be responsible for any cost that are incurred as a result if it's an vaccinated player that has an outbreak. They will help mitigate those costs so it's an interesting moneyline but something you just heard. Is we came back. Part i think is an important part of the conversation is virtually everything that's ever done in the nfl is collectively bargain. Like there's an nfl. There's an nfl pa. So as much as we're getting a memo from the league. I have to agree with all of the experts that we're talking there. Nothing happens in the nfl. Roger goodell does nothing other than put out what the owners he works for tells him and that's usually something that the players are aware of so everything that's gotten us to. This point has been collectively bargain. The players have been a part of this. Yeah i mean you know the more smith who they Who is a lawyer by trade. You know he if he has some say he would've came out immediately in support of the players. This is this is about the nfl getting back to business right understanding that they just signed a huge tv deal and they want to make sure that they can ensure to their tv partners that the game to inspect inspect to get expect to get. You're going to get right. Nobody wants any of these flex games. These tuesday wednesday rescheduling. They're trying to say. Hey we're going to guarantee we're gonna guaranteed to the best of our ability that you're going to get the product that you that you're going to be able to imagine right you got to gain. That's a feature game and you lose that game right and they in turn you get like jacksonville and the bengals right. You've been selling his game. Sunday night football monday night football all week. And that's what you get and you talk about how much money is being lost. Lesson everything about the. Nfl always comes back to money because it's big big business. And they're trying to related to their to their to their workers that hey man we need you guys to show up and show out because you know all this money that you guys are getting right next year. Respect respect the saudi to explode right. But they don't show the day. Can you put a consistent product on the field that is going to be there. There's going to be considered. Then they can't guarantee that for you. Too damn charango. Raise the salary cap well. And you mentioned the workers. It's important because the andre hopkins obviously one of the most prominent names in the nfl tweeted then deleted. Which by the way useless. If you tweeted just leave it. He tweeted quote. Never thought i would say this but being put in a position to hurt my team. Because i don't want to partake in the vaccine is making me question my future in the nfl. That is a strong statement from somebody that didn't pay and also speaks to what we're about to see which is players. Choose not to be vaccinated. I i mean it's going to raise a real conversation in locker rooms. It's going to raise a real conversation with roster construction. I mean these are real things that are going to be happening for everybody. Looking around saying wait. You're not vaccinated. That could cost us all cash. I mean this is something that the nfl. I think should consider going forward that deadline. They have players to opt out for covert. They should reopen that up and give them two weeks to decide if they want to opt out again for covert right. Because you talk about the implicates where i remember. We talked about in riders. He had certain parts of his salary. Protective. he opted out before the kobe deadline. I think they should open that back up. And give players like the andrea hopkins co beasley. Guys who may not feel comfortable with taking the vaccine and said hey maybe next year. You know we'll be closer to normal but you take a financial hit but it's not catastrophic and it's it's interesting because i can't imagine how you can speak to this. We've been in locker rooms. I'm obviously not a locker room guy right. I mean in this moment when you've got a player making his personal decision doesn't want to vaccinate. There's a big difference between. I don't wanna get vaccinated and it changes the way we have to work out because we haven't hit a threshold like that's a way different conversation than i don't want to get vaccinated. We forfeited the game. Now we've taken l. for which hurts our ability to make the playoffs which could hurt my playoff bonuses for everybody else also in the process of it. I lost a game check. Like how are you looking at a teammate tells you that yeah but i mean because you're hurting my family. You're hurting my bottom line. Like i said not. all things are created. Equal players are created equal. So like okay. One guy may say. Hey we're gonna we're gonna hold the line like you make you make league minimum like opposes somebody who hey i'm the highest paid player position. Guess what. I've already spent that game check. I just bought a house. I got a mortgage. I need this like so these are going to be some and this is exactly what the nfl wants right. The best teams in the best organizations are controlled by peer pressure. They're controlled by with n with everybody being on board and doing what's good for the group not specifically was good for the individual and this is that's why so they have to open this backup to get player option to opt out. Because you don't need or want distraction but this the nfl flexing his muscle. I can't stress enough. By the way kishan jay williams uv on espn radio bart scott jason fitz sitting in to me. There's such a difference when you start talking about. Hey we're not vaccinated to eighty five percent and for anyone that hadn't seen the rules for that coming into training camp there are limitations you can't eat is a team. Can't be meeting rooms. you can't go out. you can't have more than fifteen people in gym wants i. Those are all pain in the butt. Things like if. I'm looking over at somebody else's my teammate. And i'm thinking all right you made your choice. It's making my life a little more difficult all right. That's so different because right now. Even if you're the eighty five percent threshold. If i'm only using him because he's been vocal about not getting vaccinated. If sam darnold a the quarterback of the carolina panthers who chooses not to get vaccinated is the only player on the entire roster that isn't vaccinated and he somehow gets cova. You're looking at catastrophic results for the entire team. Possibly and that's because you you go through this whole testing you go through this whole protocol possible. Forfeiture impossible losses. I don't know how an entire locker room deals with that. He's new he's new and he's fighting for his career right. He's fighting for to be a franchise quarterback somewhere because he's lost his opportunity. Be a franchise quarterback for for the jets. So this makes it a lot more difficult for him. Because if you're the reason why man distractions get cut. And i mean like this. This people understand the amount of pressure. I mean you talk about people fights. I i've seen people fight for much much less right. You know you talk politics in there. You got got guys that. Just don't get along gambling debt. Like man you call me maybe two million dollars or million dollars up a million dollars like if you make forty million dollars a year. That check is a million a week because the body by by seventeen eighteen at this point. That's a tough pill to swallow and even if you're a low roster your minimum guy that's making what seven hundred fifty i think is the minimum right now. You make it seven hundred fifty year in that small window where you have a shot at playing in the nfl man. I can't imagine knowing that you're losing a game check and possibly like the implications of taken the l. the playoff bonuses. I mean there's a million variables to all of this. We're going to keep breaking it down over the course of the morning especially how it will impact roster construction and what it means for your favorite team trying to figure out how great front office. We'll get into all of that as the morning goes on but the. Nfl isn't the only sports still dealing with the fallout from kovin and potential forfeitures. We'll get into that. After bart has from indeed thomas flying man. I'm already to indy. We're talking about indeed. The reasons define your next hire with their in are starting to add up. Just look at the numbers instant max searches millions of resumes in indeed database to deliver candidates whose resumes fischer drive description. They have a hundred and thirty five skills tests. They go far beyond the resume to find the resume that will help you find the right candidate. Faster and according to talent ness indeed delivers four times. 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And there's a lot of mba news to react to within that so we're headed now to the goodyear hotline where we're joined by brian windhorst. Espn nba insider. Joining us. live from tokyo wendy. You're on the ground. What's it like over there. It's very strange You come to tokyo. Where they're having this event that they've been preparing for a decade and there's no welcoming committee. There's no sign everywhere It's a big deal but it's not a public event. It's not something that they're welcoming. you know. Thousands of tourists from across the world to showcase their country. And so you know. Today there were some events here. It's a national holiday because of the Opening ceremonies at one point during the middle of the day Some fighter jets passed over downtown tokyo Just blame the olympic colors that they At the back as they went over and people coming out of office buildings and looking at that. But that is an outlier. It's a very strange situation to be at such a big event. That is so shutdown even tonight this. They built the stadium. I don't know how much it is. You know hundreds of millions of dollars to build a stadium for tonight's basically and it's empty and something. It's unusual we we know. This is the modern era but It doesn't feel like an an olympics. But i hope the competition which is starting soon. We'll we'll we'll make feel like that. I wonder i wonder how the environment is gonna be isn't going to be like the bubble guys playing with five spectators and having to really generate their own enthusiasm and energy within the crowd. And what that's gonna look like visually for the television. We have some of then. You know like swimming example. The crowd plays a role but ultimately. That's the swimmer in the water For basketball it will be a huge difference especially after you know today. devon booker. Chris middleton Andrew holiday are flying over together to tokyo. Won't actually get here till tomorrow tokyo time. They've just gone through playing games in front of pack arenas and sixty five thousand people outside and they're not gonna walk into a completely sterile environment Where everything feels foreign anyway because the game itself is so foreign. I mean it's a transition for an mba player to go play in the international game because of the differences and the style of play. But we've never had a shock to the system. Those guys are going to have and so it will be one of the things to to to deal with. The americans have to deal with here to play to play their best in to win that gold medal. Which is what their expectation is and this is just another one and speaking about devon booker middleton holiday. What role are they going to play. Because you know they're they're in shape. They're coming there in a rhythm. Your how important are are the those additions to the The chances for usa go you're exactly right but You know gregg popovich has indicated that they were gonna play right away but they are going to be available to go for sunday's game against france and Neither cumulus state. Has you know three pool. Play games The other two games are going to be against iran and czech republic those are teams that the americans should handle Even if they had we're missing some players but france you're gonna need your best teams to beat. They have a bunch of nba players. They beat the americans two years ago in the world cup so those guys are going to be active and ready to go and you just hit on what popovich is struggling with because his players are not in the greatest condition because of the demands of the season when the year ended most of these guys shut it down because their bodies needed arrest and with less than a month ago or a month later they merely had to start right back up for team. Usa and they looked sluggish. Last week in las vegas whereas these guys are arriving now. They're going to be exhausted. How could they not be but they are in condition and so he is even said he made just throw them out there in the first half right away just to see where they're at and they've got the advantage of the rhythm and that even though they may be tired their condition may be a weapon that he uses early in this olympics. So sick there for a second. Wendy because i think this is interesting. You you just mentioned exhausted. I mean we've got back to back season last year into this year. That had a quick turnaround. And frankly we have that again. I mean is there any concern from the players. You've talked to about what just being a part of. The olympic team is going to impact their nba careers next year. Yeah they all recognize the challenge that is happening and they're doing it because they really want to have an opportunity to play for this win. Old metal happened over and over. You know kevin durant. I missed two years of basketball almost and this is an opportunity to to to play for gold medal. I wanna take it day miller. And he didn't stay this exactly but this is probably going to be his last chance if he just turned thirty. One is he going to be america's best point guard in when he's thirty five. I don't think so you know. Chris middleton the yes has been incredibly challenging week for him. Crystal think it'll be a in an olympian in four years. I don't know so These guys want the opportunity to do this. It's still matter. I you know and and look it's going to be tough guys. The the days of the americans winning. I mean we know this already but they're gonna have to play High level baugh getting into this field was the hardest ever to get into this Olympic field in in the history of of of the basketball and the olympics. There's some great teams and some countries that have great pedigrees and great players. That could not qualify. So you're not just show up here in just waltz your way through the america's gonna be tested and they're going to be tested immediately by the french was the biggest hole in this roster. Is it just a lack of size ill a bs. Yeah i know people were wondering how the hell they could pick. They'll why would they pick hole in the roster. Why would they not go get trae young and trae young thinking the same thing. He was tweeting. The thomas stuff from the from the last dance It was very clear. So this team took shooting They wanted shooting every position. They don't quite have twelve shooters. But they've got a lot of 'em and even as they were sluggish. In in the exhibition games they shot a better percentage from three point range than the two thousand sixteen olympic team did and that team was the greatest offensive team. That has been assembled since the dream team and the competition was much tougher And even as good as that team perform this team has already shooting the three point or better so they wanted playmakers versatile players and shooters as a result. They're short inside. They just don't have balked inside. The opposing teams have already attacked australia. A forty minute game scored twenty two baskets in the paint on the americans and so they wanted to find a guy who if they needed to could be shot blocker a presence at the rim. And i know you could list other guys. But number bill mcgee was in shape willing to go and he has close relationship with the durant and draymond green and that is a factor and then how this played out and the reason we got them is because they did not have that rim protection is jailed gonna play every game no but they wanted to have that option to go to because that is a spot where they're vulnerable so i would say that right from the start you will see the french. These other teams tried to use their big men against the americans as there is there so with all that being said and the extra pieces that are on a flight right now as we mentioned wendy. How long do you think it takes his team to get some level of cohesion on the court. No clue and i don't know they're ever going to have it But i will say that Last week they played spain. Who is defending world champions. They're an old team but definitely a very experienced team and accept won the world title two years ago. They looked in that their fourth exhibition game team. Usa look like usa. Things started to put together some rhythm starting to put together some Quarters together it ended up being a seven point game but maybe a nine point game and they and in vegas Spain covered like in the last ten seconds. But it wasn't that close and that was a high quality win and that was an indication that they're getting some momentum. Just be honest here. Even though luca danni pitches in this competition with for the first time slovenia has ever qualified for the olympics Kevin durant is the ultimate weapon in this tournament And when durant is unleashed he will not be stopped and if that if that durant and show up that is such a huge advantage for the americans. Just take you back to two thousand. Sixteen kevin durant shut fifty eight percent on three pointers in that olympics. They were unbeatable force with durant playing like that. I'm not sure. I'm not expecting them to do that again. But even if he comes in the same ballpark considering what else the americans having you saw how important to holiday was defensively for the bucks. They're now gonna take that talent. That talent devon booker had to go up again. Well now be on his side and they will build deploy that against some of the great guards in the world who come up. I mean you know if they play slovenia. Your holiday will be on luca don-shik if they play australia. Who's a strong gold medal. Contender patty mills. I know he's a backup with the spurs but he is a star for the australians. And when australia beat us last week he had twenty two points. Now do holiday. we'll be on Patty mills and so to have those weapons. There is no reason why the americans shouldn't play. Well it shouldn't win this gold medal. It's just not going to be rocard before we let you go windy. I know you're in olympic moment. But we gotta ask all the rumors circulating around. Cb three at this point any indication of. What's next for chris. Paul you have to understand with chris paul. The he has a contract negotiation with sun You know he has an opt-out clause which it looks like he intends to use and he's got forty four million on the table if he off out of that contract would be very surprised if he does not make at least forty four million dollars. Maybe not All next year but He is not going to do it to go play for a minimum contract somewhere. So when you dream up your scenarios of where. Chris paul's gonna go if it doesn't include him. Earning forty plus million dollars or mid to high thirty million dollars next two three years. I think you should retire. Those and remember any outside leverage that he gets whether you want dream. Scenario with the lakers the knicks or the heat or whoever remember that that is leverage. Apply to the sons who now have to negotiate the player who got them to the nba finals. So wherever chris paul ends up and staying. Phoenix is probably the odds on favorite. It's gonna be a lot of money and probably at least three years so frame that as you think about where he goes you guys can follow him on twitter at wind horse. Espn wendy stay safe. Obviously we really appreciate your time. A try and try and acclimate. We're time change. Enjoy the executive enjoy. Thanks brian windhorst. Bringing near the summer games news and notes from tokyo. And it's brought to you by carmax if it's time to sell your car gopher sold with an instant offer from cormac there find out what your car's worth with an instant offer at carmax dot com carfax the way it should be. Now we'll keep you updated on all things olympics but obviously we've been talking a lot about covert within the nfl. Part of that is because training camp is underway which leads us to one team. That's reporting this weekend. Keyshawn jay williams suit on. Espn radio the espn app. Siriusxm channel eighty. Espn news bart. Scott jason fitz sitting in for the guys and the bucks reports a camp on sunday so bart. Obviously it's an exciting time for bucks. Fans buccaneers fans can remember the glory of the super bowl. Just a few months ago and for the nfl. You gotta look at it and have the conversation. We have every single year about every champion. How do they repeat like how. How are you on the books today. Running back right. I mean listen. When they said that they were going to run running back and they were going to bring everybody back. We laugh right we chuckle. We thought they were just talking because they were under the influence and were excited at the parade but then get they bring everybody about. I mean i. I didn't think they will get done. And i think tom brady had plays a big role in this because of a sacrifice to take less money to be able to to play to pay everybody. Everybody's got their money. Everybody got their money. So everybody's happy. But i wonder if everybody's motivated what happens as you go from being hunt the hunted or the hunter hunted and every week you're going to get every team's best best play right and there's always been set in sports. You know what i'm saying. You know four belly zone you know. How can you be if you already for rice. So it's going to be tough. And i think the field is a lot more difficult. I think the rams arizona and arizona. I i'm talking about those upsets right. Remember i was a part of a team when tom brady was a favourite. They got upset. Remember it was a time where he got upset by the ravens right because anything can happen in a football game. So the odds are that they're not gonna make it back right before everything to go right for you. It doesn't happen you know. They're forcing it last year. Let's see if they have some misfortune. I see how they handle it. Bruce aaron's is able to keep this teen motivated every single week. Not to think they can just turn on a light switch. You know we saw. Maybe kansas city struggle with this early in the season last year. Maybe coming over that hangover. Everybody celebrating a little bit too much and understanding. That is different because it changes your off season rhythm because you play longer than you've ever played before because you're gonna last team standing so this raises the question of who can knock them off the perch like how. How do they get dethroned. And mike tannenbaum. Espn nfl office. Insider was on yesterday. And this is the team. He identified as the biggest threat that prescott. They're going to win the division they are the biggest threat in the nfc to the tampa bay buccaneers. They're going to be a top five offense going to get back three offensive linemen. I think dan is gonna make a massive impact on the defensive side of the ball. So i think this is going to be a very successful year for them. I think dot prescott is going to be top five quarterback. He has one playoff games. Dan just as a reminder something that matt stafford hasn't done and i expect this team to compete against tampa bay in the nfc championship. I mean bar. You're going full like thanksgiving when when your hands sentences just like really not no longer. You're not having i. I feel like paid manny late man. Yeah but idiot. Kicker and went out there got slithered like come onto my t. I love you but man you gotta start with this love affection and his hatred. A matthew stafford. You just said that you believe that. The dallas cowboys are going to have a top five office. Maybe right dan quinn is going to have this defense fired up. Maybe but if you're gonna make that argument for them do not believe that the rams are going to have a top five offense. Do we do anybody out there. Listen to tv world. Do they believe that they're not going to have a top five offense. Okay what do they bring already there. We already know the number one defense in the league. So if you're talking about you have a top five office. You have the number one defense in league tremendous players at every position impact players. How can you say that is going to be the dallas cowboys the team. That's only Disappointed us every single season. And it's not gonna be the rams who've already been to a super bowl in recent years. Yeah well i agree with you that the rams deserve more loving this conversation. But i think you're both wrong when it comes to the biggest benefit of raiders. Well i would. I would dion sanders to say i will. Prompt will walk off and just walk. You know what coach. I'll tell you this No but by the way if the raiders were to be like. I can't even imagine that moment raiders. Go to the super bowl. I'll be insufferable on this network. If i'm not already but it's close you your your close. The biggest threat to the bucks is the team that everybody thought was gonna thump the bucks in the super bowl last year. The chiefs like yes. The chiefs got their butt kicked in the super bowl. That's fine and they also were decimated with a couple of and again. That's not taking anything away from the bucks. And their victory. The chiefs looked at their weakness in the super bowl last year. Which was their offense supply issues. They addressed their offensive line issues. And by the way they're bringing everybody back to i mean and they still have the best player in the nfl today. Not of all time. That's tom brady but today. That's patrick mahomes i. I can't look at a path to the super bowl that doesn't include the chiefs and they are the biggest threat because let's rewind and remember that the morning of the super bowl. Everybody thought that we're gonna win. Yeah but what has to happen right. What has to happen. Tampa has to get to the super bowl. I'm telling you that they won't even get to the biggest threat is the rams because they're going to dethrone them before they even get to the championship now whether they win the super bowl and not or if they lose the kansas city or whoever in afc. I'm trying to tell you that. The rams are going are going to deny tampa even an opportunity to running back. Look i like that call and we talked a little bit about it yesterday. I mean i think the love sean mcveigh combined with the love matt stafford combined with the love of just a star studded defense. It gets after like there's there's a million reasons it's tough division though. The rams are looking at like you've been really high in arizona and i think rightfully so The the forty niners will make the argument all day. Every day that their season was derailed for the second time in the last four years by low losses. Starters so they'll blame it on her a thousand percent so injury. They'll blame derailed their season. But you know you've got to look at it in the past and say they've been right in the past also. Seattle is consistently a good football team. I don't think it's a cakewalk. For the rams to get there. But i also do agree with you. I think the rams are really good team. I to me for the next ten years if you wanna really the next five years i'll say this the next five years you want a pencil. And who's the biggest that whoever the super bowl champion is always going to be the chiefs. I'm always going to look over in the afc and say they're still to me. Isn't anybody clearly that can dethrone the chiefs in the afc. So they're headed back to the super bowl. Yeah i don't know what five years right because we know what happens within five years. Everybody wants to get paid right. And you talk about old. They went on and got orlando brown. Right and why did orlando brown. Lead the ravens. Because he wants to get paid as they left tackle. What are the candidates. She's gonna have the next do next year. They're going to have to make him the highest paid player. More than trent williams. And that's gonna that's gonna put a damper and your ability to have the tremendous depth. That cassidy t's have had maybe a two three or more windows. I look the sooner that window. Ends as a raiders fan. The happier i'm going to be either way right with the. Nfl is spoken regarded. Cova will speak to end former. Nfl gm next about what it means from roster management.

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Hopefully at some point today but as of right now he is out indefinitely shea. Cornet and bart scott filling in for j will and zubin here on k jay z. Presented by progressive. Insurance guests will join us on the goodyear hotline So it it. It's an interesting time as far as rookie quarterback so we're quite a few taken in the first round but there are really only two that are about to start this season. And that would be zach. Wilson in trevor lawrence with the jags and the johnson. Okay and so when you look at these two quarterbacks you gotta assume one is going to have a better season than the other really for both these franchises. There's only one way to go. And that's up. And they both have two new coaches. And when i look at this bar i think to myself. Wow this is really an interesting situation for both. Qb's zach wilson in new york. Yes you have robert salem. But you were the last rookie to report to camp. You had issues with that. You've got to develop some chemistry. It's not like you're coming from alabama you're coming from. Byu you've got a lot to learn on the national football league and in the and with the on the larger scale in terms of trevor lawrence. Yes you played at clemson but now you're coming with the first year. Nfl coach urban. Meyer and i would argue the. Afc south is a very dangerous place for a guy like never lawrence when you need to play the legs of the titans and the gold twice so all this to say. Let's hear from these too shall we. Let's start with trevor lawrence. The jaguars quarterback on having to compete for the starting job. So titian not. I'd say when. I was at clemson when i first came in who similar situation and That's how you say you have to be competition. No nothing can be given when you start giving things that people do. You've set the the wrong I guess precedent for the team. So a lot of respect for the coaches the way they've handled everything and my job is come everyday. Go to where they try and make teen. That's hopefully don't get those this season gel. We'll work go. But right now i ninety five with a hell their practice facility yet. It could find a good real estate well right now. He's just trying to do his job. He says he's competing for the starting quarterback which we all know. Is you mitchell. You'll say showed with some lavar. George he can keep saying that it meant you mania because His booty on the bench. Okay lawrence starting. Let's keep it at one hundred percent clear How about the jets. Their head coach spoke. About zack wilson. Apparently being too hard on himself which maybe is a little warranted after a first day of bad practice but then he bounced back the next day on saturday. So here's the head coach on his performance for him. I don't think he likes being hard on himself. Doesn't doesn't take away his confidence. He just strives for something. That other people aren't willing to strive for and he's willing to put in the work to achieve what he wants and so his as long as this confidence never wavers. Call me crazy. I don't think you could ever be intercessor. Let me be clear. We are going to hear nothing but roses rainbows and butterflies. Coming out of jets. And jags can't because it is for sure gonna be these two starting for their respective franchise so don't expect to hear any criticism from their head coaches anyways. My question for you is. Who's going to have the better season. This is going to be wilson or lawrence others. Won't be wilson. Only anything is going to be close just simply because i feel like i'm you know. I think that the jets have a better roster right now to protect into bring in a young quarterback when you think about that left side tucker you think about becton you know. That's that's pure dominance right there. They're going to be able to run the football. And also you think about this game in which we're one hundred percent sure that running game that's cow shanahan type of running scheme is gonna fare very well for the for the running backs. Like carter like kevin coleman they you know they built this roster only thing. I have questions with the jets is the fact that i don't think they have a good enough tight end for young quarterback. But i'm still thinking that joe. Douglas still has some moves. Left is in his In his repertoire. Think that you know maybe zach. Ertz is still a natural fit. You you'd think about douglas. Doug was there in. Philadelphia was gertz. He's a little disgruntled. They have a good quarterback there. It's going to be that secondary wave of guys is going to get cut. And i can see the jets maybe making a move for them and also you know you'd think about a coach in sala that is bid has been nfl. I think the urban meyer still trying to figure out. And i think that everybody there is trying to figure out if they can trust him. And you only know that when you get an adverse situations. There's one thing to be coach for colleges another one to be the leader of men. He has some questionable decisions already that he's made in short coaching career week. One for the jets is against the carolina. Panthers and sam darnold daughter coming out party last year the carolina panthers were right there in a lot of games. I remember throughout the entirety of the season thinking to myself. I mean this team just really needs one. Non cova season under their belt to really get things going and they made a change at quarterback which was well tim bewildering to me. I suppose because. I thought teddy bridgewater is the real deal. And i just didn't think he had the legs of christian. Mccaffrey in place. And so when you come back and you have week. One against carolina panthers and your former quarterback sam darnold annual christian. Mccaffrey returning to that squad. Who right there. In a lot of games. I mean this is not a sure. Bet w okay week one. And then they have new england in a very motivated bill. Belichick lead you. And then you've got the denver broncos and that teddy bridgewater. I just talked about in denver which you would know better than me. A very tough place to play at mile high week three. Then you have the titans in week. Four i don't need to keep going. But the point is this is non easy right out of the gate situation for the jets. No no not at all. And that's why you're gonna lean on shortening game with running game and defense. You know. I think really. What's understated about the jets. Is i think if showed rankings can stay healthy. You can argue that. The jets have a top ten defensive line and a lot of people a lot of people. Forget when you look at fred warner and what he was able to do in the san francisco forty niners a how great he is. He you know he just became highest paid linebacker in the game. Well i think. Cj mosey is better right. I think people forget how crazy it was a reason why they gave him. Eighty five million dollars fifteen million dollars a year. He was the highest paid player. He opted out last year. You only have one game before. I you know i was that just camp. You know. wednesday and saturday c. J. moles down to two thirty. He's running well and they have a great defense line in front of him. That can protect him. Only thing that concerns me about the jets on the defensive side of the ball is the fact that the i believe. They don't have any number one corner down having lockdown corner so it's going to be cornered by committee and they're going to have to play cover three lot to try and protect those corners. That's very young. But when when you look at sheldon rankings winning williams in carl lawson. I mean that is a former -able defensive line in whoever can be that that that pass rusher opposite those guys is going to be able to give them a great defense line which should bowl well for them to win ugly. They're gonna have to win ugly early. Okay so i'm gonna go the other way here. Nine gonna say trevor lawrence just because i think he is more ready right now to compete as a starting quarterback in the national football league cans. Why he was the obvious number. One overall pick he comes from a program and clemson that has similar to alabama's and the fact that they are nfl ready right and they are ready to compete right now. I also think there's a favorable schedule for him and also for urban meyer. I don't care that he's a first. Nfl head coach the dude coach. Okay and he can coach. Nfl ready dudes. Like let's call it what it is. Time management is something that you can be a little bit concerned with him learning the nfl game but also this is what i like about the fact that zach wilson came in. How can you be the number two overall pick yet still have a chip on your shoulder right because it's still doubts about zack. Wilson about you know the competition which he played in. Byu how good is. he is. No questions about trevor lawrence. Everybody believes something to be a great quarterback. He's he was prototypical. Highest rated quarterback coming out since andrew luck. That's a lot more pressure to deal with. I think we're going to have a chip on the shoulder. Trying to prove that he is worthy of where he was picked. And the fact that. I think that you know when you look at the skill positions. I think that the jets have the better skill position receivers. No right now. Early on zach wilson to ej more is has been dynamic but you know they have so much depth at the wide receiver position where you won't talk about james crowd. He wanna talk about corey. Davis gonna talk about man's. While i thought were you know if he would have been healthy and they would have these off. His line would have had saying rookie year as a chase klay pool so they have so much debt that they can. Just keep throwing talent at you joe. Douglas has done a good job in a short period of time. Going on to get more morgan moses. So now you think they have three plus office liming becton. I think in short order is going to be the best left tackle. he's definitely most physical the most violent. And when you have that would run game you can shorten it. You can short game. He can win ugly. Because you're going to take the possessions also. I think early on because of running game because of the office. He got veterans at both ends right at right. Tackle left tackle in. Various tucker is what they say he is. Which is quitting williams main quinn nelson. I mean i think is you know is is a foregone conclusion that they'll have a better season this season foregone conclusion. Look at him. Spoken like a true former jet pizza. Write it down early right just flowing out of his mouth like it's not even discussion that the jags and trevor lawrence. They're going to be in this thing. We'll we'll see here shortly. You wanna give us a call feel free. It's eighty eight say. Espn eight eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. Who is going to have the better first year in the national football league. Is it going to be trevor lawrence or is it going to be zach wilson. One thing we can agree on here. I mean both teams were not good over the past couple of years. Both teams can only go one direction. And that's up. Whether that results ws or just looking more efficient on the football field remains to be seen but nonetheless both of these dudes need to show up for their franchise and they need to open a bigwig. Nba free agency getting underway tonight. I mean there's a lot going on in the sports world. But no better. Drama bart my opinion than mba free agency. I'm like a real life. Reality show i tell you what the nba is. Slowly creeping up on nfl. As far as being able to have us entertaining ill off. Season moves a news right. You know the draft was. I think was was good and now they have free agency like we know like that moves can be made with the russell westbrook trade. Like what's next right. We assume we think we're kawais going to do but you don't know anything about why kawais most unpredictable superstar that we've had in recent years than the fact that for some reason the gym of free agents kalari. Was it like seventy five years old right. Stop play. With moses sleaze keyshawn jalen zubin presented by progressive insurance guests. Join us on the goodyear hotlines where we're going right now. Bobby marks espn nba front office. Insider is there. And i mean. Come on bobby now. Any play with moses risk the disrespect is so real so please tell me why kyle lowry is on the top of teams wishlists. Well he controls free agency. I mean you look at the teams that need a point guard. Either miami new orleans. I guess we could put dallas in that mix certainly new york his decision basically dictates what the other teams do. And if the likelihood of larry does go team like miami. Now what happens. With lonzo ball in new orleans or spencer. Dinwiddie in brooklyn. Mike conley and chris paul will go back to their respective homes but larry is the big domino to fall and i think once that happens it basically will just open up. A l- opened up the floodgates as far as for some of these teams to go out. And spend bobby. I'm i'm glad that you brought up spencer dinwiddie Because i feel like we forget you know. He was linked to maybe going to to the lakers. If he said he couldn't come up with a deal with the net but now he's going to be out there. What is a great loc- Destination for him and his. He wanted a best of the young free agents out there. Yeah i mean. I think as you said it's unlikely both teams just from a spending standpoint even in a signing trade so i think we can rule them out. I think i think i would keep an eye on. Maybe new york for dinwiddie. I think that would be certainly a perfect fit based on them in a need of a of a point guard. We'll see if brooklyn maybe work out. Something was washington potentially maybe in a sign and trade. I think the reluctance with the nets with dinwiddie is the cost. If you bring him back on eight hundred nine hundred million dollar contract basic cost you another ninety million dollars towards your luxury tax bill. So maybe team like oklahoma city. They're kind of a little bit of a wild card out there as far as going out trying to get dinwiddie. And then maybe use him towards the trade deadline to flip and continue to build up to their their trade assets interesting nba free agency starts. Tonight we're talking about marks are espn nba front office. Insider here on keyshawn jalen zubin shake cornet bart scott filling in for the guys this morning and bobby marks joining us. Here on the goodyear hotline. Let's go to leonard because we were talking about him before we brought you in bobby in terms of is going to happen with kawhi leonard. I mean we never know what's going on with this man. He has the best poker face in the entire world so we expected him to opt out for the clippers. But what does this mean for quite now going forward well for the sanity of all of us. I hope this. Leonard decision is quick. Please let us not be two thousand nineteen again or i'm probably going to get here but yeah i think what's going to happen is that you're going to see leonard. Sign a one plus one contract you know and become a potential become a free agent next year when he can sign a five year. Two hundred and thirty five million dollar contract with With the clippers here. And i think this is more of just kind of a business decision will take that thirty nine million dollars this year and most likely will be a good chunk of the season while he's rehabbing from that knee so i don't expect much much drama around the kawhi leonard decision as far as what he does what about. Cpi three right. He opted out. You know Declined to forty four million dollar contract. Is it any chance that he can be anywhere. Other than than the suns and phoenix. No i think i think he's going back to phoenix. I think what he did was he opted out of that number and now he's gonna add length to that to his contract probably start a little bit lower. Maybe around thirty five million dollars. What that could do is help them. Bring campaign back there. There are other free agent point guard and then you could see chris for years. Two and three. I'm thinking somewhere around three years. One hundred million plus for chris. But i don't expect him to be taking meetings when we get going free agency later okay. So we're talking about remarks right now are espn nba front office. Insiders joining us on the good your hotline here on keyshawn jalen zubin shake bart scott filling in for the guy. So i guess. The question is now both leonard and chris paul of opted out of their situations. Why are there situations different though With phoenix and with the clippers. And nah. yeah. I mean i think with you know it's interesting and i've i've written about this. That from a financial standpoint. The best decision for him would have been just opt into his contract and then extend for additional for years buddies elected to go out and do the one plus one for for quiet that he's got early bird rights meaning that the clippers cannot sign him to five year contract. The most they can do is four years. So that's why you're seeing the one plus one here with with colliding and go out free agency next year chris's a little bit different too. Because of the over thirty eight rule. He's thirty six years old. The most that teams on the market consign for three years phoenix and sign him for four years. There's no five year contract waiting for chris paul here so i think it's basing both guys just kind of lining up and it's more of more of a business business decision now lebron's breaking records and we're not. We're using accustomed to lebron breaking records. But i mean three players over a hundred and twenty million me. How do they feel this. Ross and who are so potential. Signings could you. Could they pay. Maybe brian magee bag or how. How did they filled his rostro with a veteran minimum players. Yeah you're right bart. I mean they've they've got three players that earned one hundred twenty million dollars. That's more than twenty teams going into free agency and there's two different ways. They're gonna look at it here. It's town horton. Tucker and alex cruz show their own free agents. You can exceed the cap to bring them back and then it's going to be bargain shopping and i as i call it. So you're right. You're looking at guys like val mckee. Dwight howard you certainly need shooters so is it may be. Jj rettig on a discount. Guys like lou. Williams wayne ellington They've got the veteran minimum. The five point nine million dollars tax mid level. I think the one guy that just keep an eye on is what happens to dennis schreuder and what happens if the market drying up do they bring him back. Maybe on a two year forty million dollar contract and maybe use him as an asset down the road or is there a sign and trade out there where they can maybe bring back contracts but there is a ton of work to do in los angeles. They've got one hundred thirty million dollars just five players on their contract interesting stuff. That is bobby. Marks are espn mba front office. Inside are again free. Agency starts tonight at six. Pm eastern and we love it. Buckle up thanks. Bobby we appreciate it. Thank you just for closer. Did he play with moses or not stop okay this taya ball on it. You brought this up and i want to revisit it in terms of mba free agency to me. It's the it's the most dramatic best things sometimes in sports. You compared to the nfl to me. No comparison look the. Nfl captures our attention throughout the regular season. The postseason free agency. Not nearly as exciting as it is an nba. All the hurt. I believe so. I believe so because you have big names that they get signed. Don't get side. I mean the fact that the nba the nfl draft can be a whole week. Like you watch thirty. Two guys take four hours to get picked and use in this the most entertaining for hours of all tv to you and me not to everybody. Okay to you and me because we're so invested in less. You have a headliner like tom. Brady or aaron rodgers or one of these guys like. Nfl free agency is nowhere near the same as exciting as mba. Because there's just so much more there's more money with names didn't love. Jj watt going over ewing. Jj watt is a free one of the faces of a franchise. Like what was going out the houston. Yeah will not really. They didn't get the texas didn't give up for him. What does he got it out for. Free plus free. I don't know i just think. Nba free agency is always just so entertaining. Especially when you have a guy like why. Leonard were legitimately. Nobody knows what he's thinking ever truthful. No one knows where he's anyways against six. Pm eastern is when mba free agency gets underway. Bobby marks give us some really good stuff here on keyshawn jalen zubin. Speaking of my name is jay cornet and he is bart scott. Got the guys today and tomorrow get to double down. You know another two thirty. Am wake up tomorrow. you're here tomorrow. Bar walk through this. Where am i supposed to be here. I'm like well you're off up awfully early. If you're not supposed to be just went to breakfast at home took a nap. You can just fall right back asleep. We i mean we got too comfortable green room. You know what i mean. You could sleep on the couch. I hear you all right back to the nfl. The browns of sign one of their twenty eighteen draft picks. But it's not the one we all thought would be the first one that they signed nope which was the one that got the extension. I well not the qb with no fees or minimum zone checking and savings accounts banking with capital. 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Get on the fast track. With instant offer from carmax learn more at carmax dot com and get a real offer real fast from carmax the way it should be the nfl season feels like it's really getting underway now. All thirty two teams are obviously and training camp on thursday. We have an actual game. The dallas cowboys in the steelers are going to face off in the hall of fame game. It's preseason game numeral we'll be breaking it down with a fine tooth cole. I thought you put it best though. This past sunday was the first sunday without football that we're going to have another one. Ready buckle up. Everybody's gonna be exciting. Eight is kishan jay even and we're presented by progressive insurance guests. Join us on the good your hotline. My name is shay cornet. He is bart scott filling in for the guys in calling ourselves. Shaking bake a little espy. You know over the weekend. Nick put a little dough. This pocket sent a three year extension. Three thirty six point. Six million dollars that includes twenty million dollars guaranteed but the thing is. They paid dick job before they paid baker mayfield because i think they have more confidence in what charges and who nick chubb is doing baker mayfield like like like uncle. The time i think he's probably one of the. Most replaceable superstars are starting quarterbacks. And all the nfl like. I said you can take any other quarterback almost from thirty one other teams and say that team would be equally as good or better if they had somebody in place of No baker mayfield. Okay i mean the faker. Lacey baker mayfield person but i do think that he has come a long way for the browns. And with kevin's defence gives their heads. I don't know that you can just plug in play back there. He was the number one overall. Okay listen a week draft. I don't know but listen. Drowned joshing before you. Ask me at that. what. I'm just saying i'm just. I'm just playing with that. But would just be better with lamar jackson. Yes it'd be better with josh allen. Yes maybe you know. Sam darnold say Maybe maybe not right. This baker mayfield has to of everything arguably the best roster and all the football top to bottom when you think about the debt they have in different positions. You think about the quality of talent. They have the young talent that they have. You can arguably say. I mean if you pull rank tannahill out there. Are they not better. If you put kirk cousins. They are they not the same not better. So that's what i'm saying like when you talk about nick chapnick nick charles is arguably to me. He's the best running back in the football. I know that a lot because dare carey has put on a show for the last two years. He's talked about a guy. That's averaging five point six yards a carry and you know. His numbers will be a lot more gaudy one if he hadn't got hurt last year too. If he didn't share the backfield kareem hunt. Who's another outstanding young town running back. Okay let's hold on. Baker mayfield has four head coaches and four offensive coordinators in five seasons like and he also has more interceptions than anybody not named jameis winston since he's been in the league. I'm sorry wasn't it you. That was clamoring for james winston to be the starting quarterback for the saints this year tasting. Course if you thirty seven years old and you ain't starting league another former number one overall pick and jameis winston and robin number of think it'd be better to jaimes. Winston quarterback elon and baker may already made this argument. Not oh you mean. If james winston was the browns starting like i'm saying this is one of the best roster so i don't think that the cleveland browns they wanna see it two years in a row like it wasn't until Beth got hurt where baker mayfield star plan but they that's when they really start running football and doing play action pass right. It's not like he's dropping. Back in deciphering defenses. So this is a huge year for baker mayfield and i wonder which one of these guys get paid. I you know the main because they both up for cheese on the taco. I think the other two quarterbacks their teams and organizations believe in them wholeheartedly they noticed data true they believe in lamar was. Mvp josh island. You could be a top five quarterback at the end of the season. Rice baker mayfield. Still some questions out there about baker. Okay there are still questions about baker mayfield. But i will say this. And i'm speaking for brown's nation here like i definitely think there has been largely under kevin stansky and the fact that they did see what they believed to be. Hopefully you know some trajectory going forward for the browns and baker mayfield. Hopefully hopefully. this wasn't like he's also matured a lot and hopefully this wasn't just lighten the bottle. Okay well that's what i think. At least according to his press conference talking about greek commercials like athletic like commercial makers area athletic commercial makers okay fair enough so you opened up the question. Let's open it up even further. So he was in a draft class that you called week but then backtracked with lamar jackson. Josh rosen baker mayfield. Put him on. Go go-cart yeah. He's don't worry about him. And then sam darnold was also in this draft class. Well we're not gonna throw him into this conversation of the three that i mentioned baker allen and lamar jackson. Which of those three do you think it paid. I and i'm already going to remove baker because you clearly don't believe he's going to be the first one. Pay go josh. Because i think his contract is more simple right. I think it's straightforward thank. You give them five years. Extension the martha different man. Because i have to do lamar and shorter increment right. Because i'm just so concerned at all it takes is one bad leg. Acl and it's like it's like it's like rg. Three when rg three was able to use his legs. He he took the league by storm and then going forward once he got injured. He wasn't the same quarterback lamar jackson. So much of his game is predicated on him carrying a ball in a dual threat. You have to bring another safety Because you're afraid that you don't have enough athletic bodies out there. So then they give some favorite matchups down the field. That's why i think that's why it's numbers are so good down the field but this year like put up a shut up for lamar's well can you be the next chapter because they weren't able to resign judah and some of those great pass rusher. They had to go bargain fishing. You know for guys like justin houston because they know that they have to pay lamar jackson so they can't pay money so much money on defensive side of the ball so this is big lamar to show that you can do. He can do less with more can do with less. And you know his connection where received bateman in practice against marlo humphries all indications that hey man if you give him some good talented players on the outside he can make them work. So you know this also puts hollywood into the slot and you know sammy. Watkins stay healthy. We're going to get a true assessment. Of what lamar jackson is as a passenger okay. You think though. It's going to be josh allen. Let's go get it so much. And i i. I'm gonna i'm going to refute that and i'm going to say it's going to be lamar jackson and i'm going. To debunk a few things. You just said number one josh allen. If he was going to be the first one to be extended i thought by now he already would have been if it was that simple. Why haven't they done it yet. And i realized in the nfl. Sometimes it's a game of chicken who's going to get it first so that maybe i can get more money but nonetheless. I am surprised by the fact that the bills have an extended josh allen. Look josh allen. Took a huge leap from two thousand nineteen to twenty twenty. I mean obviously in every way but especially as downfield throws and in terms of being athletic. Josh allen can run josh allen can be quick. Josh allen can definitely take off if they need to now not as much as lombardo's and obviously that's much more back almost gotten away from that narrative guy. Montgomery remember no. When i say. He's a runner talking about his carrier that way. Those are designed runs is different from scrambling and design runs. We see josh allen he scrambling for the most part. lamar jackson. these are designed runs. He'll probably be over thousand again this year. And don't quote me on the staff. But i want to say at one point last year. Lamar jackson josh allen. Were the only two quarterbacks that led the team in rushing kyla. Murray might have been in the mix there two for a second but i think those two so nonetheless. They both like to run with the football in their hands. And they're both at the quarterback position again. Lamar jackson to me the first one to be extended. He's already had an mvp season we'll call. It gets complicated though because his mom is aged. So you talk about slow but you're talking about putting a nuance in the offset. Language in the in guarantees skill deprivation is a lot of things that are going there that maybe his mom may not know that she's going to have the research and i'm sure they'll probably use a lawyer to kind of read over and look at type of contracts but contracts can be very tricky and there's a lot of language that you have to have in there and i think we have a traditional asian is easier to get that language. Don't make it right. Because he andre options negotiate his contract and he got a bag. Yeah drew so it's just as long as you word things. The right way but in terms of comparing the three lamar jackson allen and baker mayfield. Qbr the past few seasons lamar's at the top yards per pass lamar's at the top red zone. Completions lamar's at the top. How about two thousand twenty. Okay let's go to twenty twenty reds. Oh completion lamar at the top third downs yards attempt on third down lamar's at the top. And then i already told you this staff. That lamar jackson drew. Brees were the only quarterbacks not the throne interception or rather in the fourth quarter last year and so. The mark jackson has more than proved that he's going to be the franchise quarterback for the ravens. Is i know you agree with me. As well and so wins the bad coming winter coming when are we gonna sign on the dotted line. I think i think maybe lamar says. Let's get this done at the next year so we can spend all this money so i can get this championship before i get the back because it don't matter if you get paid today you get paid tomorrow. And then today he's going to be the more you know. The highest pay quarterback in the league within a six month period right so the seasons. Oh if you don't get it. Now he'll get it. March sixteenth agency starts right so it doesn't matter like but if you can add a championship to your to your resume if it makes them you know giving you the bag a lot easier for them not to digest because they got the championship much like flacco there. Right flacco won the super bowl. He opted out. Didn't do the deal and he got the bag because remember we're flacco resume was with the baltimore ravens. He had been to the playoffs in the afc champion. We went to timeshare with flacco his first year. Then they went to the second round individual around where we're kind of flip flop with tomorrow. Lamar's hasn't gone to afc championship yet. And flacco better on himself and he got the bag and they may highs paid quarterback so i know how to ravens operate right so if they can say hey lemar we can. We're going to try and spend all this money this year. So we can get some veterans around you then once we championship. We'll we'll gi oughta money you want. Who cares really get forty five million dollars a year this month or you get it in march. You know spin future earnings. They had crawl before they walk. I mean they got lamar. Got his first playoff win. Now he's going for the whole thing. Just a reminder. Last night on sunday night baseball the race completed a sweep of the red sox move into first place first place yankees result this sunday night. Baseball recap is brought to you by samsung galaxy. You won't be able to go back to mediocre after. Are you ready for this life. Find out at samsung dot com slash. Reserve all right team new number but it seems like it's the same old carson ones in indianapolis express new and made to express you from the stretches teams in the game to confidence boosting suits that. Feel like sweats. Discover new arrivals at express shopping express dot com or in stores. Do you own or rent your home. 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Let's start with the situation in indianapolis because it is not a good one this morning for the colts and carson wentz first of all. What is the latest that you're hearing with carson wentz and we expect to know how long he will be out. I was told yesterday that they're still going through the steps to determine whether or not he's going to have surgery. They haven't made a decision yet. They're hoping to get that wrapped up. Maybe today and they'll make a determination and once they make that determination they'll have a better idea of how much time he'll miss. We know right now that he's out indefinitely doesn't look like he's going to be back on the field anytime soon. Now the question becomes does he have. The surgery does not have the surgery and then how long is the path to return with each course of action that they could choose. They signed brett hundley over the weekend. The former packers is a veteran to complement. Jacob saint melander. The former texas quarterback also camp not ideal. And if you look at the colts the summer frank reich is back at work today scheduled to be back at work today after he tested positive for covert their center ryan kelly pro bowl center hyper-extended his elbow. He's had a couple of weeks darius leonard. Their top defensive player still not practicing due to an ankle injury. Nether quarterback carson wentz. We know is out. We just don't know exactly how long he's going to be out now if he comes back that he's going to be out for a stint at a time. We know that they're going to upgrade at quarterback is it just you know perfect parent if they just go for. Nick foles to try to bring a guy in understands. Frank writes verbiage and language. Second come in and be able to make the checks and do the nuance things or do they. Are they going to stay with brett hundley in in the quarterback. They have on the roster. Well i think it'll be easy to answer that question. If we knew exactly how long he's going to miss. This is going to be backed by week. One is going to be out the first couple of weeks the season. How do they feel about that. I think those decisions That they're going through. And i was told over the weekend a couple of different times that they've gone back and forth on this every couple of hours. So that tells you that really it could go either way. And we'll see what they ultimately decide to do in the end now if he decides to have surgery and he's out a little bit longer. I would think that nick foles would be an option that they'd have to explore with his familiarity with the offense you'll can chicago. Bears have the andy dalton. They have justin field. And i think anybody who's got any sort of quarterback issues this summer whether it's indianapolis now or another team later the first name. You're going to think of as nick foles because the bears have him on the roster. They don't need him on their roster and it's a question of whether somebody can work something out financially with the bears. Nick foles to make it worthwhile to get a deal like that done. Talking to 'em after an are espn senior nfl. Insider here in keyshawn jalen zucchinis Joining us on the good your hotline. Okay let's talk about the nfl's messaging right now about vaccines. This has been a hot button topic. Not only this weekend but for the past week or two. How likely is it that players will be required to get the vaccine as we move closer to not only the hall of fame game at the start of the regular. Haven't heard that be the case. You just continue to hear strong encouragement from teams about players getting vaccinated and some teams have done exceptionally well in this regard and other teams not as well. We continue to see washington place players on the reserve covert list. I think they're up to seven players on that list right now. We've heard strong stances taken from players like coal beasley in buffalo. Who don't wanna get the vaccine at this point in time. I don't know that the nfl can order teams to get it. I think teams have been pretty clear with all their assistant coaches that we need you to get the vaccine and i know one team. That went to an assistant coach. It wasn't doing it and the assistant coach. Basically training camp was getting started acquiesced and agreed to get the vaccine after. He wasn't going to get it so it's an ongoing conversation. But i think if we look at it i think over eighty percent of the nfl players are vaccinated compared to. I think it's over sixty percent in society so the league's rate of vaccination still higher than society and we're talking about players and mandatory rules to get vaccinated. The league has done a good job with this. It's just again not a perfect job. I don't know how to transition from this. I'm just gonna go at it. How likely air. Rogers says that. He's all in one hundred percent teammates and everything seemed to be sunshine and roses over there in green bay. But how likely is it. That iraj has a future. Pass this season with the green bay. Packers look bored. I think at this point in time. Aaron rodgers is there because he loves his coaches. He loves his teammates and he knew that the best way to quiet things down and to give him a chance to do what he wants. Whatever that is in the future. That's back in green bay. Whether that's from the team retire was to come back for this season that he figured was his path of lease resistance but the issue has been tabled. It's just been table after this year. That's the reality of the situation. His salary cap number grows this year. It's about twenty seven million next off season. it's about forty six million and so they're going to have to do something to address that one way or another and the man throwing the football games the dictate how they will get to do it and so if he wants to be back he can be back and if he wants to be traded as he did during the off season he can do that. So it's just a question of how he decides what he wants to do. I also don't think roger's gonna forget and things are gonna certainly change. He knows where he's at and he knows what he wants. But the issue during the season is tabled while they pursue a big time winning season and so we will be hanging on every throw and every press conference where aaron rodgers this upcoming season. Adam schefter thank you so much for the insight. We'll talk to you later. She didn't bark legal. Go get some breakfast but it is true. It feels like this whole aaron rodgers thing and started. I was it wednesday or thursday that thursday. That press conference happened like now. What we're gonna do is every time he speaks to the media. We're gonna listen to every word he says because we know it's it's something that has been on. This miners calculator speaking news student group of people. Or if there's some adversity in that locker room we're gonna look to aaron rodgers and it's just going to play out in real time like the last instead and the documentary watched during cold. Now we're going to watch it in real time but in green bay. That's just the way it's gonna go down as a teammate. You just kinda table and say listen. Let's lock in and make the main thing the main thing the main thing is trying to to supplant whoever's in front of us you know they've knocked on the door for the last couple of years it's been a shame that eh riders such a good football player and they have he's only been one super bowl you would think or he's only won one super bowl. You would think that he had more and you know you can't waste the prime when you have all time. Great it's to enough though. If he goes for the running back to her and they win another one to enough well he needs to just to put him in rarefied air right because one makes them a great quarterback. But you know when you got you know brees sitting there payton got to so i think of raj wants to be considered like the top five. He's gonna have to get to to even put them in a conversation with guys like peyton. I mean we would argue. Say he's better than ben. Rothlisberger rows burgers outstanding. Well we'll find out things listening to keyshawn. Jay williams zubin make sure to subscribe rate and review. You can hear the show live weekdays at six eastern on. Espn radio espn news. For wherever you stream your audio do you own or rent your home show you do. Fortunately geico makes it easy to bundle your home and car insurance. It's a good thing too. 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