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Jalen Green scores 28, Rockets outlast Celtics 111-109
"Jabari Smith junior scored 24 points and grabbed 11 rebounds as the Houston Rockets won their 16th game of the season, beating the Boston Celtics one 11 to one O 9. Smith shot 9 of 11 from the field and he made his first 5 three pointers. One of the best teams in the league where he was in the finals last year, you know, just competing with him. Going down to the wire like that with a great team like that. It's real promising in this room. This is your girl for us. Jalen Brown let all scores with 43 points, but Jason Tatum was limited to just 22 points on 8 of 22 shooting for the Celtics, and he missed a layup at the buzzer. That would have sent the game into overtime. Adam Spillane Houston
The NBA Show
"jalen green" Discussed on The NBA Show
"Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, we both have sons for people don't know. We both have sons that are similar a Julian as mine and Jackson as John's. But they put him in the class and he was the youngest kid in the class. And I like secretly did like a little like fist pump. Hell yeah. I was like, put him in there, baby. I was like, we don't want him leaning on anything. Make him swim. Let's go. So anyway, we'll see. He's interested in basketball. But go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. I would say with adaptability and this is something I think people might not realize or really surprise NBA fans who don't watch college basketball. Franz actually is scoring more in the NBA than he scored in college. Which you wouldn't think that would happen, but that can happen when you're a super adaptable player. You kind of mold situation around you and Franz in college. We don't get into who he's playing with, but he's playing with guy snee to the ball, so he made it work for himself. And the big knock on him coming out was he wasn't aggressive enough. Oh, he's this little soft, not aggressive, disappears in games. When actually he was just fighting the role that made sense for him on this team. Now he's in the NBA, his roles actually expanding, and he's done really well with it. A couple offensive bullet points on him that I think are really important. The first one is he is like a, I hate to say this, but he is like a real Scottie also is the same way he score more than he did in college. I'm pretty sure. But shooting evolution, this guy is an improvement driven player for sure. He's interested in it obviously. He's his first year at Michigan he was 31% from three second year 34.3 at Orlando, he's shooting almost 40% from three. I went back and I was watching specific types. A lot of that is catch and shoot. If he's creating for himself and dribble pull ups, he gets a little while with his control I've noticed, like back rims, things a lot, which that's an area that I'm not going to put it past him to grow into that. If he shoots like step back, he seems to control his touch pretty well. But catch and shoot, he shoots it quick, like you said, he's gigantic. I was talking about like with jaylen green where he kind of strikes me as like he doesn't quite look play as big as his listed height, even at 6 four. Franz looks like he's like 6 11, because he leverages his size. Now he's not finishing super well right now, but he has like a body type that is he's really solidly built. I think this segues into a conversation about who he is. We talk about benchmarks. I think the upside that I underestimated is his on ball creation because when you watch him at a legit 6 ten, solidly built, handles contact, he actually looks for contact and I think that's why he's not finishing super well. Is because if he goes around the basket, he likes to create the contact and I was noticing him try to create it and NBA players are smart, they were kind of like matador him a little bit pulling the chair on him and he would just kind of fumble. I think he'll improve on that front. But I think I underestimated his own ball creation. I see a world where this guy is a really good team defender, potentially could check bigger wings that like to score is a catch and shoot player and then tosses in a little bit of like secondary playmaker stuff. Are you seeing that with him? What's very interesting with Franz is when Jalen suggs went down, he broke his two weeks ago. They moved Franz into the backup point guard job behind cool Anthony. And he wasn't now he's not just secondary playmaking. He's just straight up playmaking. And he's averaging over the last 6 games, 4.2 assists on 2.2 turnovers. So when you're getting four assists and your averaging two to one, it's just a turnovers. That tells you the guys making plays moving the ball getting stuff done. He's a very, very skilled player. I would say with Franz, he doesn't have great. He's kind of the opposite dream that he doesn't have great wiggle off the dribble with more of a straight line guy. But when you're 6 foot ten, you don't necessarily have to have great wiggle, right? You're just so big. You can make plays really easy. And then we were kind of trying to figure out comps for. I liked what you made, you want to talk about the chart you made for us. Which has to go on Twitter, which you refuse to do, put it out there. I'll put it out there. Sharks was teasing me that I set the chart. I set the quadrants up wrong. I have my positive opposite. I'm not a math guy. I think you're right. He like parts the seas when he goes to the basket. He doesn't really have to be wiggly, but on the real quick on the playmaking thing, I think his pick and roll reps per game, I think his max was like 7. He ran like 7 in one game, and then when suggs went down, it's skyrocketed. He actually ran 17 pick and rolls in the game against Philly, which is like right when sugs went down. So yeah, he did go way up. He's an interesting player because I think that he's sort of that we were trying to dial in on who he is. We're trying to dial in big guys that can shoot the ball that give you some offensive versatility. They don't have to have the ball all the time, but they can kind of morph depending on the situation. Defensively, I made a spectrum between like Gallinari and like Andre kirilenko was one that somebody threw at me. I don't know that he's as the scope of his impact as wide as kirilenko defensively. AK was a monster back in the day. He was a good offensive player of the year type. Yeah, I really wish we could have seen him today. He was an insane person. But and then I made like a vertical axis of Asia as a shooter, like a movement shooter at like a legit 6 ten, and then Lou all ding is a guy that kind of came to mind that I think is interesting. Good, that's a really good one. I like that. You like that? Because athleticism wise Lua wasn't like, he wasn't like as bendy explosive as kirilenko, but he was positionally pretty switchable I kind of like that one, the more I thought about it. And it's like, he's not like a super knock down shooter, but he can hit open shots. I think that's an interesting one. Where do you land on him complies? You said you had one. I like it because it's so hard to make the cross racial. You just want to stick into the bucket of, okay, here's the spectrum of guys. So my guy I thought of for him was kind of on the Gordon Hayward Chandler Parsons range as kind of a 6 to 8 6 9 playmaking point forward type. Versatile on defense not an elite defender that can guard multiple positions, probably best in that secondary role. So I Parsons to me makes a ton of sense..
The NBA Show
"jalen green" Discussed on The NBA Show
"Elite passers, elite scores, pick and rolls all day, maybe some isos, triple the ball at the top of the key. That's their game. And then with those guys generally the problem is they can't play off the ball. Whereas I think you look at Jalen, what makes him special is the ability to go on and off is to play with other good players. I think he's got some passing chops, but I would, I know you did a massive breakdown on him for the draft last year. You had like a 15. It was one of your Kyle Mann like Lord of the Rings videos. It was a Peter Jackson extended cut. Yeah. So the first thing with jaylen green, like, how do you view him as a pastor and what's his ceiling as a playmaker when you evaluate him? Well, it hasn't been that long. He hasn't really changed all that much in just a few months. Yeah, for sure, for sure. I'm just standing that up front sharks. But I would say that the things that I'm noticing, you see this a lot with like scores kind of downhill scores or score first kind of primary people that are that lean that way is that they tend to see single coverage downhill pass is pretty well. And I think that green falls into that category. He's pretty solid at like if it's a single covered situation like threading it to his roller or if he drives and he sees a helper and the guy that is being guarded by the helper is open. He sees those pretty well. He can leverage his quickness, like we said, he can get into the lane. What I think is interesting is the scoring game that he has. It's all kind of dribble pull ups. That's what he prefers. He burns a lot of calories to maybe not get a lot of reward, which I think is part of the problem for him that he's going to be facing in the future. And if you look at guys that he's compared with, another guy that I threw in there is sort of an on off guy as Victor Oladipo, but to me the big question is the passing, I think he'll be good enough. I really do. I just think that scoring and ball handling and passing all work together in this sort of Trinity, this sort of triumvirate dynamic thing. I feel like a good finity shout out. Always. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Go see the matrix, I guess. And what I was going to say that a big thing for me is body type. That is a big question for Jalen. Because if you compare him against Zach lavine, Ivan went back and like Getty images and was like putting them side by side. I was like, do I see it? Even Zach lavine had a little bit more of a solid frame. The bindi guys, I was going to ask you, who is the most successful star or scoring guard that is in his body type that you can think of? Because when I see his body type, he really reminds me of like Malik monk's body. Like he has kind of lean shoulders. He has that kind of lean torso too. To me, a big question for him is how much bigger can he get? But who are the guys to like aspire to? Because I don't know that he can get as strong as Zach lavine. Zach lavine's pretty pretty solidly built dude. I mean, yeah, Lavigne grew a lot. And I was like, yeah, he's like 25, 26. He's really filled out in the course of his NBA. And now, when Jack Levine goes to land, he can take hits. He can deliver contact. He's a big guy now. He's really, and that's a good question. I mean, monk is a good comparison physically. I was watching this morning a game where green played the grizzlies. And it kind of seemed like him and ja had similar frames. They're guarding each other. And then I remember watching a game where he played the thunder and it's like, him and Lou Gwen's are at the exact opposite ends of the spectrum, right? Lou Gwen looks like a freaking linebacker who's playing basketball and green's got much more of your classical basketball body. And I think it's a fair question to wonder how much bigger he's gonna get. He can definitely, it is important to say, even if he doesn't look much bigger, he can get much stronger. And that'll be really important for him too. It's just even if it's never gonna be like, oh man, this guy's two 26 four. He can still get a lot stronger and take contact more. He's actually listed at 6 four one 80 on basketball reference. So him and cade both kind of got chopped out a bit. Once I got to the league in terms of where they were, they were listed before. And with green, I think one, it's important to emphasize. This guy is incredibly fast. He was absolutely dusting Luke lens at times. Like you're not fast enough to guard me. I can get right around you when I want to. So that's like, that is, and you expect the three point shooting, which is pretty low right now. That should come around. He's a good shooter. I expect as the year goes on when he comes back from this injury as he goes into his career. Okay, he'll be a good shooter. He'll be really fast. But if he's not gonna be a primary guy, and you go back to that list of guys you're talking about when I look at him. I look at like, Murray, Beal, Levine. Booker, where do those guys all have in common to be on good teams? They have to also play with another all star guard, playmaker, right? Booker's got Chris Paul, Levine's got Derozan, beals got he had John wall, and now he's got Spencer Dinwiddie. Murray's got jokic. And that's the thing when I look at green and one thing I hate about the draft is it's become so much of a comparison game for a guy..
NBA Front Office w/ Keith Smith & Trevor Lane
"jalen green" Discussed on NBA Front Office w/ Keith Smith & Trevor Lane
"They talk about that a lot, every organization says it, but it's things like this that actually doing it matters because this is now vouch said this Eric Gordon talked about how he wasn't traded out of nowhere. Evan fournier talked about how nobody really wanted it, but it made sense and the team really worked with him on finding a place for him and those kind of things. So I think it's all, you know, this is all good stuff for the magic because you know, say what you will right now, they're rebuilding team. Eventually, they're going to be a team that's going to be sitting on a whole bunch of cap space. It's a market that free agents have liked in the past. They've landed some major free agents and past years. Good weather. There's no state taxes here. You've got a lot of guys live in the general vicinity in the off season. Down here. So yeah, it's definitely something that we'll see, I think that guys this will pay off for Orlando in the long run under this front but they're putting out there by doing this. And eventually I think it will come back around. We talked just the other day about Lamarcus Aldridge and his comment about not feeling super comfortable coming off the bench, how it's been an adjustment and things like that. Lo and behold, he is now starting. He is back in the starting lineup for the Brooklyn. That's in place of Blake Griffin. I can't say it's because of those comments or whatever. But Aldridge is being inserted. And you mentioned it. It's not like he was playing poorly. When he was coming off the bench, he just said for him, it was right. And to be expected, he's been starting his entire career, and then suddenly he's asked to come off the bench. And so that's an adjustment. And now he is once again starting for the nets. Again, Steve Nash talked about how George because they feel a little bit better about the rebounding with him in the game. That he's not necessarily fast, but his ability to get the ball and get it up the floor to guys, that allows him to play a little bit faster. Blake Griffin, quite frankly, too, has been terrible. Not only did he did Aldridge start over him, Griffin didn't even play against Boston. And he said, just under, I don't go back and look it up. He's only averaging 5 and a half points 4.9 rebounds. Those numbers I don't worry about too much of the counting stats because it's not his job there. But he's shooting 32% from the field in 16% three. And these are on 3.3 attempts per game and 3.33 point attempts per game. That's really bad. He's no deterrent at the rim, defensively..
The Sean Salisbury Show
"jalen green" Discussed on The Sean Salisbury Show
"And twenty seven at home. They are forty and twenty on the road. Well-managed in their arms are really good. I i don't can't remember a time when a team was this good in their record. Was this good and nobody discusses them away team. They don't. they don't have a superstar right and they do and he's been up and down as far as injuries and i think the covert stuff as well sports. Talk seven hundred. We'll continue to the list. Jalen green did you find it offensive. If you're now houston you don't but would you if you were in detroit teenager. We got football to discuss and we will discuss the top twenty five college football. It's common folks. it's almost here as we roll through the strikes and the very biggest weaknesses of the teams that the playoff teams today. And what they challenge as we have. You've heard right now. Every single one of them. There is a definite weakness so far in the national league as we roll forward. Sportstalk seventy sean salisbury show continues on seven ninety and continues in your all say alexa play. Sports talk seven ninety on iheartradio week. This is the biggest not just all of them that the one that's gonna prevent their team from getting where they want to go and major league baseball. We have yet to run through a national league team. That doesn't have one. That is a major concern regardless of their record. And we just got through. The milwaukee brewers and while hitting they're hitting below two forty as a team a little bit of powder fourteenth at a fifteen batting pitching national league. If they don't end yell and they're doing this. They're record with yellowish having not even an average season so but the strain you put on a pitching staff when you get to. The postseason is too much. If you don't score some runs. But they are the young arms. And i can remember watching them and pre cove it and listening to them when they were in the postseason listened to broadcast and watching them. Ramp it up. They got guys who can throw gas. And and you can't catch up to but there's a lot of duress you put on teams in the postseason if they if they don't start to hit which which i imagine. I'm hoping i'm hoping they do. I can't even there. There's no less talk about team. Good or bad in major league baseball and this is a really good team that i did not have making the playoffs this year. No i didn't either thought they'd probably hover around five hundred but they've they've exceeded expectations. They got three guys in their pitching staff over. One hundred sixty strikeouts stupid. Yeah frigging stupid. All right next the american league side your first or your second wildcard. It'd be the boston. Red sox hold on completely. Get the national league team. We have not mentioned the san francisco. John good god. We did because we did but because they're the wasn't supposed to be with her at all glaring weakness not sure they have one. Maybe i think playoff experience besides posing a crawford. Yeah i would. I mean. I would like to say because they don't have pitchers that are battle-tested in the postseason i go in and you know what people questioned also is. How would i lose. My mind. Former manager gave captain kappler. Yeah how would he be here right. It's their lineup. They hit the ball over the fence. But like are they going to be healthy when they get there and are they gonna hit enough channel power but you just try to figure out how they're here 'cause they're definitely in large part they're because they're ballparks great in their pitching's been great and they and they're they're learning how to win. Yeah you mentioned the experience. But they're the team. And i i guess the glaring weakness will there's a reason why they have this record they have. I would have found a bunch of would you thought going into the season. You can't almost seventy percent of your games and not be consistently great at. I think their biggest strength is their ability to stay on a long losing streaks in their concern than a game out the national league's tear the nationally terrible hitting was there hitting as a team to forty eight their third in the national league in hitting at two forty eight but they leading home runs their top five in every category and they often send your defensively offensively and hitting me. You're the pitching their their top five in every category. Their dependence offensively in pigeonhole. I met yes. So if there's a reason yeah and they don't spend a whole lot of time in the valleys. You know what i'm saying even if it's not we think well this lineup looks like the peak. Now they just are there's rauscher and it's not a roster that screams. This is a good team. That's an unit is. I don't want to be mean to those. it's a team. It's having a one year flash in the pan. They're not going to be as good next year. Well there live is not that good that every one of their guys. Here's their ages of their typical starters. Thirty four thirty three thirty three thirty four thirty five thirty thirty one. How old bryant twenty nine. He homered twice. He's twenty nine doesn't fit into the we just said is their biggest strength. Their consistency older guys. That have seen it a little bit. Maybe no how to settle in and understand that. And they're getting the strength and they're really good. They're getting an incredible honestly when he's played. Buster posey's been mvp love above four doubt so with them. Saint rebrand across showing you the lineup that it is now at the beginning of the season. You just said there's no way they're gonna be battling for the bottom spot that division and even in seventy five games in you know we. Also i guarantee even people in san francisco looking around saying wins. The other shoe gonna flynn's them. Yes gonna fall off right. One's going to happen it hasn't and this may just be their year and their teams you got. That's exactly right and they are. We can't leave them out. And how is it that we're leaving them out. I guess it's to the point. Where just say well. They're the best team in the national league team baseball. It's it's phenomenal. And i still would not pick them to be the world series representative in the national league on. If i had to bet at i'm talking about. They have homefield. they're not going to have to padres dodgers like if the say the padres knocked out the dodgers and the one game wild card. One of them is going to go world series. Yeah which is crazy right. Yeah i would think about your futures bet if you to pick that to begin the year you'd make a ton of money shoe you think. Yeah sometimes you gotta take. That's why i gotta get to the for the trojans at forty two one the another. Nfl team the would he say twenty five or thirty to one. Yeah you make oh tennessee. Titans take a flyer on them. And if you can afford to lose a couple of hundred bucks or whatever do make a bunch. Yeah no doubt about it right. American league up next but we will start the eight o'clock hour with jalen green talk Should they be offended. Detroit a well who cares. Yep eight o'clock hour sports. Talk seven ninety. Sean southbound show dr jeff with at vision dot com. I want you to pick up the phone. If you're concerned call me all stationary email. Me tweet me in box. Me that shannon filtered. And i'll tell you exactly what to expect when you go into see jeff whitsett with your free consultation at seven one. Three three six five nine seven nine nine nine and the pros and i can't find a con a problem with the with lazic. We're all worried about it because we only have two is in your saying we'll do. 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GSMC Basketball Podcast
"jalen green" Discussed on GSMC Basketball Podcast
"Host michael shredder. Thank you guys for tuning in again to this episode of the podcast. I hope you guys are enjoying what you've listened to thus far and i hope you guys enjoyed this content from his podcast network overall. I will really enjoyed it. So thank you guys again for tuning in. I hope you guys are enjoying what you've what you've listened to like. I said and i'm excited to share some more content with you guys coming up on this segment but before we get into that we got a action packed show and that has been brought up by the fact of how the first segment talking about k. Cunningham versus jail green. Yes that's right. Kate county hammers jalen. Green the the number one two guys in the draft county. I've been wanting. Jim remain to their sarah league. Match up wide. Took away from the game. Why ultimately think jalen green could be the rookie of the year. And that is important to ops. You understand why. I think that so. If you have a chance to go check that out go back to that and check it out now. My second segment talked dodds.
GSMC Basketball Podcast
"jalen green" Discussed on GSMC Basketball Podcast
"Systems is disciplined as a player. Right guy that wants to win right. He wants to win. Sorry about that i am. I'm very excited about that. Because what this ultimately means for me is that you get to watch potential elliott other rookie successful right beside the last year the manual quickly and success that he brought at times mixed right hell get to him in a minute but maybe miles can be that other gaffe right the fact that he can shoot three and the fact that he wasn't scared of big moments and i don't always liked it because everyone likes to do that to demean these players about saying these guys are coming into. You know trying to be scared. The moment this awad It's a different environment. You get like me. I noticed that this by applying different situations basketball wise or different tourist the after a justice situation. Some guys adjust really well to win. Some guys. don't right miles. Mcbride through his crai- adjusted really. Well any any fit Fits very well. This offense regularly doesn't ask for too much at least it seems like he can hit threes. I'll take brian so As obviously a really important point to break death in and again. I'm i'm excited for because i i wanna see. The rookies of the next has some success and he was very successful night as a good thing to watch does that mean is good translate over him. Beans accessible reason in the regular season. Nuff does not mean that. I think he's going be pretty successful. Because i think he's got tools to make it happen but does again. It doesn't necessarily guarantee that he's going to be successful. Does brian but i'm excited to see what he what he can and will do. More excited about is the fact that obi shopping as you stepped up in play big when he had to. Ob top was a guy who who struggled mightily. His rookie year was very frustrating. Because he couldn't really hit threes Didn't really always know where he needs to be on. The court defensively was a bit of a liability at times but as season got on he played better he had. He had some better moments in the playoffs bedrooms for season and he showed some promise. Right everyone's really excited about what he did. The preseason within the roses in game he didn't have a whole lot confidence game. Shot wasn't going in.
GSMC Basketball Podcast
"jalen green" Discussed on GSMC Basketball Podcast
"That in his thirteen playoff games. Right grant against the clippers but the clippers as we saw this year are not a team to take widely. They got the western conference finals Probably would have been the nba finals champions this year. Honestly he shot His career shot thirty nine percent from three any shot. Forty one percents this year in that series right yes. It's free for percents in the play. Offs is only about sixty percent. And he's about seventy three seventy four percents Isn't right so we know what its flaws are but the thing is the reason why you can win. A championship with them is that you know he gets. He has great regular season numbers. Or he's gonna get you in the playoffs. And he's a guy that elevates is game in playoff modes. Right is that because of the fact that you know he takes it. Easy in the existing. No it's not that it's because he adjusts game really well and he's been in these these big moments before and he knows how to be a big time player. Ready is right. I mean no one's gonna at that the that series this past year against the clippers and safe lasa-zabala lost in the series. No one's gonna say that way right some people will but you can't objectively look at it that way right you. Can't i mean they got the guy. Did everything possible to win that series and they just didn't win. They lost in seven games and he had forty six. He had a game or the forty one multiple thirty point game the other another forty two point game game six on the thirty one bag game in that series when he had that whole neck issue and what right.
GSMC Basketball Podcast
"jalen green" Discussed on GSMC Basketball Podcast
"And then on instagram. That you see videos of them all the time right so pressures knossos something. That's that's gonna affect as much because there's so much pressure all these players in high school necessarily right but how does this relate to jalen green. Why does do i think jalen green's better. Because he's been through pressure his entire life. So is kate callahan but jalen green took the unconventional route right. He job can benghazi while other guys who have gained drafted the g. league night right. They start their own team. The g. week play the g. league this past year instead of going to couch and was ultimately a bad decision on their part. Some people have said yes right because you're not getting the structure of college right. You're not on the national spotlight as much right. You're kind of hurting your stock. Which to be is that is a very ridiculous statement to make because as you can tell the way. John campaign has been playing the incident sorry in the nba summer league and the way jalen green has been playing the g. League clearly has its development benefits. Now i have a guy who likes to see get players go to college playing college but you can't fault the guy they think it's that best decision to make that decision right because you never know the guy store right but the big thing is you see the development of playing its pros as a benefit right and some guys. You see that right out of college kate. Cottingham still shows that. He's a fantastic player because he had to carry lead eighteen at oklahoma state to be a successful team very difficult basketball conference in the big twelve right so there is different components of that and college. Basketball has its benefits while while playing overseas play in the g. league has its benefits right looking lamelo ball. He didn't go to college. He played overseas in Great rookie year. But you look at dot's for example we played overseas with real madrid. He played for many years overseas and had lost success right it. It really depends on how the player is right. Some guys can play pro's pro for many years and come here not play very well right in some guys college and make an immediate impact. I mean look at what david mitchell. For example is doing the sacramento kings right in there several eighteen ways dominate on both ends of the floor and making a real impact. That team really excites that franchise right. Because you know he could be a guy who would start or he could be a guy comes off the bench and provides good minutes for you based on the way. He's been playing so far in the summer league. So the way i look at jaylen greens the fact that you can tell planning. Its pros has really got his game more mature. It's fine tuned his skills. It's gotten him confident and now he does what he is right. He knows his shotmaker rhinos. Guy to score right honestly. It means a better player than kate cottingham. While at this point he is. Because i think that he has more of that that takeover the game type of skills not mentality. You can definitely tell kate cunningham once but the way jalen greg is make shots in the type of shots. Takes and athleticism is speed. He's a little bit harder to guard based on what i want but k. cunningham. I think he's going to be a very good player. Because what k- cunningham does he plays pace right. He's got ability score in the mid post guy ability to score in the low post. You can get to the basket right. He understands the game really well. He has a very high bass. Kim and while jalen grease has ability to have a good feel for the game and understand where he could be affected as a score. What kadish ability to do is understand how to get his team to be successful right. Jalen green does for his team to be successful. He's gonna have to be able to jimmy great score right and that's the different mentality. Bakoyannis necessarily have to do that at oklahoma state. He had to do that in the nba. You know maybe he does to where we're with the is around and right like is like bay who good rookie year in. Jeremy grant obviously had a great season in detroit but detroit's not predictably very good. Neither is houston right. So are we sit here and fault these guys for playing well maybe certain games or severally games. No of course not right. Because they're young kids who are still developing the nba. Right around my age. I mean i'm i'm twenty one. I mean think about like playing a nineteen year old and you're playing in the nba spotlight. That's not easy to do right. It's not easy to but you know it is a credit though the g. league ascents right. Why certain guys go. That path is like they have the ability to play pro and get ready for the nba draft but now obviously with the whole name image whiteness thing. That's get incentivize more people the play college basketball. Because you're gonna get billed the people that you know. It's a lot of times it comes down to pay right. That's what people think but in that's gonna incentivize for that reason of course but it's showing the difference between like how guys can function in different situations right jalen greenwich showing that he you know that the g. league really developed and fine tuned to skills looking from a professional standpoint right while kate cayenne standpoint playing college really help fine tune his skills and just different they have different games and one's a little bit more explosive score once more of article see the four donald game that type of play right in. They're both fantastic right. So that that's the thing that be Understands they both are fantastic and k county has had a slower transition than jalen greenhouse Jalen greens has been pure dominant so far the several leak. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be super dominant the mba based. I think he will be because his skills translate very well right lonzo ball nibbles very dominant. That suddenly you didn't have very good rookie year. I think it was primarily because.
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"jalen green" Discussed on GSMC Basketball Podcast
"A guy who has more on his back in a sense like kay cunningham can shoot the ball he can post. You want peace aggressive. He's guy can create. You know his for others as well. The big thing. I think jalen green is jalen. Green has that one factor and also the way the houston Faster pace the styles might change especially with coaching right. So kate cunningham might be better right with join cases the head coach. Dwayne casey's had success as an mba head coach in this week. But if you want that game you clearly jalen green's better player right. He's the guy that he can. He shotmaker right. He's a guy that can just take over games a little bit better level and ultimately the team at houston just blew out that the team in detroit. hands fault mass lee because kate county hand did give twenty points not game but jalen green gave you twenty five on a various fish in six of eleven from the floor. And that's kind of how he's been ready speech beginning twenty five to twenty six points and he's been just written what he's doing that is by being shotmaker. And why is that important for the nba will the nba now especially americanized basketball. Which i've talked about in length. At least on this podcast right in different episodes. I've done is get all boils down to the fact that you got to be able to create your own shun score right and static sites people that get coaches looking at you in a positive way because if you can create your own shot especially if you're a top draft pick that makes them more incentivize. I think that you could potentially become the phrase that franchise and that's a lot of pressure to put on nineteen twenty one year. Old kids rather pick eight request. You guys who are one in don's playing the g. league and ultimately that's a low pressure put on those kids right but the reason why it's a lot of pressure is because you're expecting young guys to get together and figure out how to be dominant in the nba. It's not easy but the contrary to that though is in high school lies guys now with social media all these basketball mix tape companies in your showcasing other games. There's pressure them right away. Right there on his wife and courtside films and bleacher report over time and different platforms.
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"jalen green" Discussed on GSMC Basketball Podcast
"To point out though today is the. I think highlight of the fact that right now. If you give me who. I think's gonna win rookie of the year. I think it's going to be jalen green and is that that that's basically High put down is a a hesitant predict prediction right Hesitant about is. Because i need to have more facts and more south since but based on what i've observed so far and what and what the gains of show me the way jalen green plays in the way that houston plays. I think you know being a rebuilding team with a bunch of guys who can score the ball with at least hammond kevin porter jr. next year caborn junior able to guy that's going to average twenty twenty five points a game next year. 'cause he has that capability of doing that pretty easily scored fifty points at a game last year. But that being said right. I think jalen grease rookie of the year. And that's that's not taking anything away from king county Hands have a really good. nba career. I think he's a very very good. I think he's going to be a good fit for detroit. And he's going to bring a lot excitement buzz to franchise right but jalen. Green is just simply. I think the better play and if you look at that game he was more efficient. He scored more points. His team won. He has. He has the the three things that i heard stephen smith point out. That are interesting. When he looks for guys he looks for size and athleticism perimeter shot and the wanted factor right and so if you really look at jalen green way right. we obviously look at the fact that he's a good three point shooter at forty three point shooter in the g. League is a guy that's pretty efficient around the basket. But he's a guy that could have got a better handle is a guy could take better shots in points of the game right. It could be a little bit stronger right pretty much. That's kind of how the wave look at jaylen green but silva certainly. He's she's shown what he. I think he will be in the nba guy that can fill up the scoring column. A high level is data team. Obviously yes right. The nba business right. Yes you as a team. You wanna win right winnings ultimately the biggest thing right. But you also want to generate buzz and especially. It's gonna be hard to do that. If you don't have guys who are gonna excite the you know the the fan base of the franchise and houston has not had a lot of things to be excited about it. I mean if you're just looking at the fact that you know. James harden wanted his way out. They were terrible last year. I mean even the whole thing of texans. They're not getting very good right. The astros have had their cheating scandals and stuff like that too so there hasn't been a lot of excitement houston because there's been alive disappointment especially even during the james harden era where been a lot of disappointment with there as well because in for how great he played the season he they ultimately came up short way too many times with team that could have totally won the nba championship. A few talks right. So how ultimately do i look at this right do i do i think that. Why do i say jalen. Green is a better player Well he's he's the better appears score. And i think the fact is.
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Detroit Pistons Select Cade Cunningham 1st in 2021 NBA Draft
"We're about to give picks they did something different. This time they had all the guys walk out with their families. I really liked it. All right so It looks like the pistons take cunningham. Kfc we okay with that great. That's the right decision. It's kinda. I wouldn't call it a no brainer but 'cause that's speaks to evan moberly and jalen green how talented they are But it's as close to a no brainer as it gets when you're talking about a guy who's six foot seven six four eight can play. Who can shoot off the dribble who can defend multiple positions. Who's a leader. Who works hard. Like for the pistons. Here with their current roster. You know as troy weaver said everybody's a fit Became cunningham is especially at fit next to their backcourt with killian hayes city bay in the front court and i say a stewart. I love their young core in the pistons finally have hoped
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2021 NBA Draft Preview With Mike Schmitz
"Really wanted to get answer is nice enough to fit us in mike schmitz who does nba draft analysis for us. Here at espn mike. Thanks for taking the time man. I know you're super busy. Yeah no problem. I actually in on my way to new york here for the draft so We're we're getting closer all right. Yeah no kidding. Perfect timing so we got you in route just in the next couple of days. I mean obviously every year is different. But how how much you think things will change in the first round between now and the actual draft. Yeah i think that teams for the most part you know. I've kind of their big boards set to some degree. But you know the biggest thing. I think that can change things as traits honestly And you know that's where from a betting perspective you know you're you're locked in on you know your your lock the draft or whatever it is your can't miss batman some team moves into the top ten and you know That kind of throws everything a for loop. So that's that's the only thing. I think That can really change things but you know other than that. I have a pretty good sense that you know the way we see things in the top ten or so Feels solid but again. It's it's always fluid. We've got more than forty eight hours to go here. Great so let's talk about just the first pick because you know the the betting odds are we saw a trevor lawrence at the jets. Pretty pretty extreme. But you know the pistons is whether it be doing their due diligence or whatnot. They've tried out a bunch of guys. How solid we with cunningham because there are reports of trade at least interest from other teams now not necessarily detroit but teams wanting to go up. Yeah i think pretty solid you know. I i think vegas has this one right You know i think cunningham will ultimately be the guy and you know even if it is like you know. Say detroit in this. I better say detroit. Is you know more interested in having moberly or jalen green and they wanna swap with houston houston to cunningham at number one i think ultimately cunningham is gonna go number one regardless. I feel like ninety nine percent. Pretty confident about that I think the league feels the same way but you know detroit doing their due diligence. I don't think it's more than that. We saw that basically a few
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"jalen green" Discussed on CBS Sports Eye On College Basketball Podcast
"Right two thousand twenty one. Nba mcgrath cow bone. You're on the clock selecting for the detroit pistons and knelt your pick and explain yourself. Yes oh the first. Pick in the draft here gonna go with kate cunningham six-foot-seven league guard This that that g- absolutely loves. I think he said there's multiple times on the pod but energy everything i've ever said on the pot i've said multiple. Yeah i'll credit you with everything. I say kate at one hundred and three points in the clutch last season that was most among all college players. Second most player had thirty eight fewer points than one hundred and three sixty five points he also made a lot of clutch plays on defense last season. There was one instance against kansas. A second-half to the game was tied at seventy all. Kate had a shot that he blocked it. Kind of helping off on defense dove out of bounds for the ball. Delivered a pass on a rope to a defender led to transition bucket and in open ended up winning that game. It was a top ten win for them. So he's a guy that i think i just rely on. I trust to be like a really high level. Nba player so long term. I think this is the answer here. Kate coming in at number one can argue with it. They're gonna take. And there was a report by jonathan devonian promotion hausky that few more players were getting workouts in with the pistons this week but as i was told wild down in north augusta. The pistons are taking kate cunningham. They're going so anything else is just going through whatever process. They feel like they need to go through. Cunningham has the highest floor. He's going number one. That hasn't been reported yet. But it's going to happen. So barring something stunning or major turn of events. They'll be number one. Gpa you wanna word in on kate or you want me to make this number two selection right here right now. I would just say one more thing. About what the pistons are going gonna do it number one. You guys arrived. I think everybody knows it is almost certainly going to be cake cunningham. It'll be shocking if it's anybody other than k. cunningham but if you're bringing in other prospects if you're the pistons evan mole bleed jalen green like there's no harm in doing that like you get you get your eyes on them. You have a lunch and dinner with them. You don't know where they're going to be some day where you might be some day and it just developing a relationship with somebody who projects as a possible future. Nba all star. Like if you've got an opportunity to do that because of where you're selecting in the nba draft even if you know who you're picking and who you're not picking like sitting down with some of these other guys is there's no there's no harm and it could actually be beneficial somewhere down the road. I agree all right number. Two the the pick seems to be clear to me. Although i don't know if this is going to actually happen next thursday. When the draft commences at the barclay center in brooklyn i got the rockets taken jalen suggs at number two now as will soon discuss as anyone. That's listening to the pod in our draft profile profile episodes that we aren't iran. You know the the one two three four kind of top tier here. I'm going suggs. Because i think he's got the highest upside here. I think he's a tremendous athlete. I can last season. When he ran the offense as a freshman and immediately was very very good. He averaged fourteen point four points. Five point three boards four point five assists did have two point nine turnovers per game but overall thirty four percent beyond the three point arc seventy six percent from the line and then fifty percent from the field overall. He has all star upside again. All star upside rockets. I think would immediately find themselves in a in an upward trajectory with the player like suggs on the roster. We'll see if they have the gumption to actually wind up going with them because mobely is an interesting big jalen. Green is considered the best offensive prospect in the draft by plenty of people. But for me this mock draft. I'm in the number two slot. My a lot of instances. here. I'm going with players. I think is best available. And i did hear about by the way real quick on that when i was talking with some nba. Evaluators down at north augusta. We got to talk in this notion about fit and draft and how guys are projecting they picked and one guy. One person in front office told me when it comes to the top. Ten like with the exception of if there is clearly like a center. And you don't need a center and your needs are quite obviously like in the back core or with some sort of athletic wing or if there's a point guard that's very good scalable but you already have like a top fifteen point guard. That's when you might switch it up. But specifically in the top ten you are trying to identify an ad the best talent possible on your roster and so the evaluator was just kind of saying. Sometimes i think people get too caught up in this idea of trying to build mock drafts and project based off fit when in reality at least in this person's opinion and perspective it's way more like no you've got you've got a big board a one to sixty one to eighty one to one hundred and those first ten fifteen names on the board are. The players are going to be best. And you're gonna pick those regardless in many instances of who you have available on your team. So with that in mind i just think suggs has the high upside and he's number two for me at the rockets. It's something i've been screaming for years now. I don't know that sucks is going to be taking second. I'm not sure that he should be reasonable. People can disagree on that. I don't think it's crazy. You know he's got all the intangibles coaches loved him. The athleticism is there is a winter. All that stuff is there. I don't know that he pops the way. Evan mobely pops or jalen green pops but all the intangibles aaron and as we've seen over and over again for decades in the nba. That stuff absolutely does matter. So if you're picking first second third you should try to take the guy you think. It's going to be best getting caught up in fit. That's that's how you you don't take michael jordan because you've already got clyde drexler in theory. I hear ya boy. Did you miss that one up. So that went up even know. Clyde drexler was future hall of famer. And you still got it wrong. So i didn't know until i saw with my own eyes. How kevin durant james harden and kyrie irving. We're gonna fit together. But when they play they were all healthy. They were awesome. The most important fit you can have an nba franchises pairing awesome players with each other. And that that's what you're shooting for. You're not looking for a wing because you need a winging out looking for a big 'cause you need a big looking for gar gar. You're looking for somebody who's awesome. So if you think jalen suggs is going to be awesome. Then that makes sense to me at number two number three cavaliers picking. I'll go with evan. Mobely the pac twelve player of the year freshman of the year defensive player of the year just a near perfect. I don't wanna throw out. Words like perfect but a near perfect modern big prospect sixteen point four points eight point seven rebounds blocked point nine shots per game. His one season at usc..
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"jalen green" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast
"Of that sort of rip hamilton type of body type. So that's when you're talking about like really being a player who's a top ten player in the nba. It's a little bit harder for guys who are just one position defenders at the to to get to that point. I mean he would have to just be an unbelievable. Himalayan offense which i think is possible. anything else you wanted to save on defense or you. Kind of get into the The final thoughts her on him a wiki. We get the final thoughts that i could use his transition. I thought the maybe the most impressive sequence that i saw for green was watching assistant. Turnovers together which is favorite synergy filters and because it happened to have the beginning of the play thankfully geeling green He had a block and then ran out and then had a behind the back pass in transition on the same players. Like oh shit like this is capable of competition. This isn't like like the a low end college conference like a lot of these players in various games were have been in the nba. Have you know have have were a great college players for their time and those pops are something special. There's something that we don't see on every prospect not something. We see that many times every year that we watch film partially because we just we. Don't watch a ton of it. At this point you know really focusing on the top five to six guys depending on the year and i haven't watched cunningham so i can't say whether i will like jalen green better than him. I ki- there. There's a lot of things there and green his you know. His pathway to elite status is probably pretty narrow. You know there's there. There are ways that green can grow was game in their ways that he can get more versatile do that however there is a path and i think that it is clear for me to see the way that he is an above average player and then an elite player. Dan evan mobile jalen sucks. Yeah i agree. I really have a above those guys and i would like to see a little bit. More effort. athleticism categories you know. You only had four blocks in fifteen games and and not a great defensive rebound or of playing more on the prunier defensively. Obviously i'd like to see him uses athleticism a little bit more. That might be a way that he could kind of break into truly being. You know a top ten player in the league. Mike thought is outcome is that he's gonna kinda fall right into the range of some the shooting guards that we're comparing enjoy. Think he's gonna be an electric score. It's gonna have some of the best highlights obviously From the very beginning as a prospect. I would have him well above like anthony edwards due to his superior shooting ability in particular and i think just better overall feel playing harder more experience at the same age as wall. Well i'm gonna note briefly. Because i thought the edwards comparison was gonna come up just just a couple of stats between the two anthony edwards twenty nine percent on seven point seven three per game. And though edward seventy seven percents in the line Fifty percent shooting. So we'll just do those three numbers Jalen green georgia by the georgia. Jalen green thirty six point. Five percent on five point seven. Threes per game sixty one percent shooting albeit on lower usage edwards had that crazy high role in the uga ovens yet. I would say The shot selection is better for bringing the defense awareness. But you could still maybe argue that edwards has higher upside because of his superior strength and potential ability to guard more positions Certainly i'd say that green is a better passer plays harder. Maybe a little bit better of a handle at this point in time to you know little better scoring instincts as well but You know and you could see. Edwards may be getting into that same level as a shooting guard as the levine's and booker's and bills and donovan. Mitchell is a little bit of a different player because he plays more with the ball on top than those guys do So yeah. I mean i would definitely have green above edwards and the like. This is a type of player that you would say. Hey if this guy is the number one pick in the draft. I feel fine with that right like he is. He is the level of talent commensurate with a typical number one. Pick out have him. Above where i had lamelo last year. For example i mean i still thought even though the mel had a very nice rookie year i thought limos kind of below average for your typical number one pick and so yeah i mean. We haven't watched kate yet. I've watched some but I'll save my thoughts If jalen green goes number one. I'm not thinking of it as kind of a week draft right i mean suggs was kinda kamenga. Those guys as foreign five picks your own. Maybe they are kind of close to your usual four and five pick. We talk about expected value. But it's also just a. I'm not like unbelievably excited to have those guys a someone who gets a team. Whatever team ends up getting jalen. Green should be very excited to have this guy. I think he's going to my guest is going to be that. He's going to be an all-star and level of talent. And also i think green could end up being a very nice fit with the team. That isn't trying to be good right way. Might have some growing pains and give them give them a little bit of a chance. Help your help your traffic for the twenty to draft and get another good player around jalen green and that description there a couple of teams to potentially description towards the strap. Yeah well that's sad. I mean i'm very interested to see what is efficiency. Looks like that first year because he was actually efficient in the jewish now. Some of that could be based on the three point. That's that's the big swing skill right. If he's gotta be hidden forty percent on some of these threes. Then you're like oh man this is. This is ridiculous or you'll be gets a little bit better as finisher or or a playmaker you could. You could see. I think he's going to be kind of more of a score. I guy a guy who you could put up twenty five to thirty points a game potentially but you know more along the lines of a beal who is not some that you think of as one of the top five best offense players because he doesn't necessarily bring that same playmaking he doesn't bring quite that same level of warping of the defense. But i think there's enough there goes build is not shoot forty percent from three right. Green is a better statistical shooter than bradley. Beal was at this point in time. And he's got more athleticism than bradley. Beal won't so they're they're easy way that he could get into being one of these top five best offensive players in the league. I don't see that as the most likely outcome. And i think he's going to kind of settle in more as a average three point shooter but until pretty difficult attempts rather than you know. Maybe you'll have years where he bombs in for percents I mean i think it's three point five times going to be higher than guys like booker or Or beal maybe not. I don't know if he's gonna be quite the three point shooter off the dribble as levin just 'cause levin again has kind of higher release The green does so. I'm i'm just very excited to see him at..
Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast
"jalen green" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast
"At least flashes it more. Certainly than levine. Did at a same age. But i can't really think of anyone else at the to guard position. That's as quick as semi. I mean you really would have to go to a when i say quick. I mean more in in a straight line attacking. Think he's as good laterally defensively which will talk about. But you really would have to get back to point guards to talk about guys who are going to get the separation that he is from a standstill attacking us defender. So i think they're kind of two other threads worth going through in terms of jalen. Greens offense we start with the handle. Even though i think it's less important than at shots a good way to end to end the offensive portion and grins handle. It's all right. I don't think he he doesn't have a ton of shake at this point but every once in a while he throws a move that just kind of blows your mind a little bit. He had this one in and out move and transition. We're just totally lost. His guy for liberalism. Oh okay like. I guess jalen can do that sometimes and also i wrote like there was a jump. Stop that he had in transition re basically he. I don't know if i think it was more of a jump. Stop the eurostep. He basically jumped around a guy and i was completely dumbfounded by it. Oh yeah i think i remember. We watched that together. We kind of looked at each other. Like oh yeah. That's just a jump. Stop across the lane where he jumped across half the lane to just like completely elude the guy who was it was ridiculous. So yeah i mean that you basically you know in isolation he doesn't have a ton of moves but he's gonna go right most of the time Particularly with a live dribble but he also has the jab right and go left you. Those are kind of movie. It's going to go right seventy percent of the time but it'll go left enough to keep you honest and obviously if you dickie's going right and you're very concerned about how fast the is that. Jeb writing go left. That can be very effective as well. His finishing was really interesting. The numbers fifty eight percent around the basket in the half court. Which for a small guard's pretty good again. As i mentioned there's a fair amount of congestion on the floor with this team and a lot of these finishes are contested and you know obviously because of his leaping ability his finishing could look really good again. I would compare it to levin at the same agent really took probably until two years ago with the bulls. That zach levine. Got to be a solid finisher and even still doesn't draw many fouls or anything that g green doesn't either that we can talk more about that but I mentioned that he'll kinda get up in the air sometimes without a plan but with his athleticism he also doesn't necessarily need a plan. But he's a little overly reliant on getting up in the air double pumping scoop shots hanging in the air not the type of place that you can get fouled on. Espn very easily also plays that the windows are going to get significantly more narrow at the nba level because the quality of defenders rises and. Yeah the g. League is is a high level of play but in terms of the big ben in particular that you're gonna be faced on these drives there aren't really any joel beads or rudy gobert. Not that every team has one of those guys or even somebody. I'm trying to think of the right. Backup center boo. Just do just can mess with biz. Business beyond that was actually the guy. Yeah so so. I think he is. He doesn't really have a great deal for using his body to ward off the defender he can get pretty good extension on some of these finishes which is encouraging and finishing is one of the things that really improves for a lot of guys particularly with his athleticism. There may be a few years where he's kinda just has some spectacular dunks and finishes but also gets a bunch blocked or had some wild finishes off. The backboard His career. But i think the other thing too like he's kind of got this thin body type and i think it would really be who've been to watch some lou williams film because when you're that quick and you're thin you. He's so quick that he's like getting by as guy initially but if he's not necessarily doing that he's still can get his shoulder path and then the guy's gonna get his arm or bump him and if he can accentuate that contact. You contribute to get a lot of free throws and also just not graded going into contact it and drawing files again. Because he's kind of thin he consorted go up. Draw some policy but is going to need to get stronger too. So he doesn't get kind of bumped off some of the shots at 'em but certainly you can see how he's going to be a very solid venture when he in his transition. He shot sixty eight percent around the rim in total and obviously the transition finishes are are completely ridiculous of the dunks that he has a great guy as cutter He's got a pretty good feel for cutting so fast. And i think a lot of his game particularly early on is going to be so that wide pin down out of the corner stuff like the stuff that bradley beal am devon booker run and so he is going to be able to just like in a flash if your top topside or something go back door and you're just going to give up an analogous to a more like a bounce pass for an immediate dunk. Just because he's so quick any as a good feel for that stuff. They ran a lot of plays for him to on You know back screens for value that when unplaced where he kinda has optionality to come off the screen towards the top or go back door. It's going to be very difficult to defend him Eighty to say on the we should say doesn't really have a floater game. not yet at all I think that's another thing particularly because he's got a little bit of a low release on his jump shot. I think that kinda not trae young floater. Where he's close to the ground but more of like a derrick rose vintage derrick rose floater where he's popping up off the ground and just getting it over the defender before they can react Took eight floaters per synergy and was two out of eight on those. But i think it's kinda getting into the lane to the died line coming to jump stop and just popping off the floor for a quick floater. Could be very good play for him..
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"jalen green" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast
"League night and i wasn't able to see enough high school film but i'm not going to write off the possibility which is interesting. You brought up the levin athletic comparison that took levino long time to get to where he is right now and levinas an incredibly hard worker levin at has that reputation and he has been on the high end of his development. I mean that's that's something new knowledge so it's not inevitable that jalen green could do that. But i don't want to foreclose on the possibility yeah that's one of the big questions about him. I mean i think pretty clearly for the player type that he is and again playing at eighteen in a professional league. I thought his playmaking was pretty. Good you're there are certainly times when he would get into the lane and would just jump as high as he could and would get surprised by the defense or just didn't really know where he's going to go either turn it over force up a a a wild shot But there are other times when you know if you is getting doubled off the pick and roll. He could find the roll man pretty well. We didn't really see those passes to shooters on the weak side now. It's worth noting that at first. When i was watching the tape. I was like yeah. You know like this is all set up for these guys to succeed right like he's got a pro point guard. He's got a older pro. Big man who were setting screens for them. They're running a lot of plays forum kind of wide pin down stuff for him a little bit of pick and roll where the numbers weren't as good. But as i thought about a little bit more than the actual content of the yes they ran plays forum in a way that you know if you were playing in the euro league they probably would love but the situation we talked about this with mingo but commingle had green next zooms a good shooter and green has convenient who's bad shooter and so between playing two bigs most of the time jerk jack not really a great three hundred radio brown is bobby brown. You didn't really have that much shooting rental. He had in the half court like it wasn't a ton of spacing for jalen green in terms of personnel like yes. They had practiced a lot and they were featuring given all that. But i wouldn't necessarily say that the situation was as conducive as i. I kinda thought that it was what i was watching. Some of the you know. Just the individual cooks when you actually watch full games like. Oh there's not accident much space for for these guys. So that's something. I think he he could play in a situation where he has more spacing back to your idea. Though of the playmaking. I think very very much. So you know he can get to the level of a bradley beal or a devon booker. Or zach levine. As a player. he's probably ahead of all three of those guys At this age part of that too is just. There's more spread. Pick and rolls guys developing. Now you know. He wasn't devon booker kentucky. Like just coming off some screens off the ball with the bully cauley stein. And karl anthony. Towns is the focus. Doing he's gotten more wraps in that. Area zach levine was on a pretty good. Ucla team use the use of an afterthought it'll be oh was twenty twelve draft who is younger so he's got more ups spread pick and roll just even at the lower levels at this level Finding like shooters on the weak side. There weren't that many shooters to find on the weak side necessarily. He found the roll man. Pretty well and i wouldn't say that his pick and roll craft or operation is great and the numbers out of pick and roll. Were pretty grisly for him. That was thirty five points on sixty five possessions as a pick and roll handler which was twenty four percent of his offense. He's out of forty nine out of pick and roll. That's that's pretty ugly point. Five four points per possession. Every every other place taibbi actually was above average Other than coming off of screens so and obviously in transition. He's tastic like absolutely ridiculous. It in transition so But again going up against like real men who are guarding him in pick and roll defence. You wouldn't expect that his numbers out of pick and roll. We're going to be great at this point in his career but he's got enough passing in an update i wouldn't how would you describe his overall. Feel as a as a basketball player. Since i've rambled on long enough here. I think that it's okay. I i think that his he's not necessarily looking for everything else like that. But i think his concept of like one to attack space and everything like that is actually pretty good and green is so quick twitch that one of my favorite things that he didn't pick and roll was rejecting the screen because he's so damn if he gets if he gets guy leaning the wrong way he's just going and that will be true against nba players to now. How how what. Kind of level of nba players will be facing. Will he be getting the primary matchups have to see but having that in his back pocket and like you. I like some of the drop passes to roll guys like he has that at a better level. I mean maybe james harden deserves credit for this that these guys that are coming up. Have that pass. When five years ago they did it as as developmental players. And i mean. I think hardiman is the best guy doing that over the last five years and i think that this feel is is all right. I and it might be a matter of reps like i. Don't see the the like. Oh like the unbelievable anticipation like he knows. This guy's going to be there and make that actually thought kamenga was a meaningfully better outlet hit head passer than green but some of that is also circumstance got more defensive rebounds and could get there so i like i thought it was it was better honestly than when i saw athleticism on like. Oh god if he has good feel. It's going to be believable. I didn't think reached that level but positive overall. I'm trying to think of. Oh so it's funny. You brought up the opposite side stuff. I had in my notes like one of the things watching the pick and roll film. I said not making many and then parentheses any question. Mark passes to the opposite side of the foreign pick and roll like. It's just something that you did. And green doesn't really set his guy up like an impeccable rolling on still kinda getting the screen ready. But it wouldn't stunned me if that's something jalen. Greens never had to do in. The modern nba is putting more onus on potential secondary. You know a guys that are to guard size to do that. I mean bills. A good example levine is of course a good example so but i don't know if green you know he's if he's was asked to do that as much in high school where he you or anything else so i. I'm open to the possibility that he can get some of those. Maybe not the like insane levels. That some guys i mean. I remember connolly's filming ohio state where it's like. Oh god he's already doing some of that kind of stuff but my conley was special and he's not nearly as athletic as jalen green so the other thing too is that you can just learn those pick and roll reads right like it's not. It's not that hard unless you're just you really just have nothing right like and particularly because his physical tools are so good he may not be the greatest passer in the world but he's going to draw the defense to him and he's going to create wider openings than a lot of guys are just because he's going to get on top of the defense so quickly his shooting ability as well is probably gonna draw the defense and so i agree with. You doesn't have a ton of pick and roll craft. He's not like getting guys in jail and and doing all that stuff. But i think you both as iso game and you mentioned like rejecting screens in his first step is lightning quick. But that's not as fast as third step is but he will get that first step even if he doesn't get separation on that he just takes two more dribbles in one direction like if there's space in front of him if and especially like if you're not into the ball and directing him a certain way like he'll just take two dribbles and all of a sudden guys just behind him like he's not even really making movies just going in one direction takes two dribbles and then by the time the third dribble has happened or the third step is happened to guide just behind it right if you're just letting him sort of let's say he starting on the left wing takes a couple of dribbles towards the middle of the floor and all of a sudden the guys just behind right and so it's it's really really impressive. You know one of the better. I step through when you look at his quickness off the dribble for his size there really. I'd be hard pressed to think of. I would say a faster in that first step even then maybe levinas or at least flashes it more. Certainly than levine. Did at a same age. But i can't really think of anyone else at the to guard position. That's as quick as semi. I mean you really would have to go to a when i say quick. I mean more in in a straight line attacking. Think he's as good laterally defensively which will talk about. But you really would have to get.
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"jalen green" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast
"The geo big day today getting into one of the top two projected prospects in this draft by the consensus jalen green from the g. league night. We gotta talk pels off season and cavs offseason caps actually starting to intrigue about them which is probably the most you can say about that team the last three years or so. But let's talk. I hear about one jalen green. Yes we could start with kind of some of the background information. Jalen green the best measurements. I could find a six hundred five hundred. Eighty pounds. ringer hasn't listed at one sixty five. I think one eighty s what he's been listed at recently on green six seven point. Five wingspan green. Like so many of the other top prospects wasn't measured at the combine which is frustrating. We could have had better measurements. We doubt June green grip in california's central valley said saddened fresno played his senior year at prolific prep. Which is the basketball factory. In napa california. He was the first ever g. League guy making five hundred thousand dollars and joan green played for team. Usa for the under sixteen hundred seventeen. Who's the mvp. And as they won the gold medal and under nineteen green turn. he is nineteen. He turns twenty in february so as a reference finds it his rookie year will be age. Nineteen season barely and then the stats for him. On the ignite played in fifteen games. Seventeen point nine points. Four rebounds three assists steel and a half in thirty two minutes. A game sixty one percent shooting. On twenty three usage thirteen point five assists fifteen turnover percentage fifteen thirty five assists percentage. I'm thirty six point. Five percent on about six threes. A game an eighty-three percent on two point. Three three times frigging. Yeah so some of the intriguing things that you mentioned there are sixty. One percent. Shooting in the julia. We talked about jonathan kamanga and obviously nowhere near the prospect. That green is. I think everyone would agree with that but he really struggled in green was eight positive player. He actually help this team score and score efficiently and you know the three point shooting remember. This is the nba. Three point line. Thirty seven percent from three some pretty darn difficult attempts and eighty three percent from the line of in this. I you feel pretty decent about him as a shooter and when you throw in also his physical profile and you mentioned the six five six seven and a half wingspan. Yeah so that's normal. Shooting guard size eight five standing reach. You not really quite to the level where you would expect him to be able to play the three much Defensively especially because he's thin and that'll obviously improved. I think he's always going to have kind of a thinner body style but this guy is just an absolute nuclear athlete. I mean one of the better shooting. Guard prospects you're ever gonna see as an athlete Cop athletically zack. Levin is a pretty good one both in terms of his donkey. A bill to be out and he's going to be doing like windmills. From the free throw. Line i've never seen in dunk contest before But great athlete off of one or two feet when he sprints the floor in transition. It is really breathtaking. He's just gonna run by just about anybody if he's off the dribble in transition and someone's trying to run him down. It's just not going to happen. So that type of leaping ability with that type of shooting ability which is. He's not like an unbelievable shooter yet. But i mean i take an nba threes a pretty difficult attempts and with this type of a physical profile. You see immediately worthy intrigue comes from you. Do and the kind of the test that i like to use for perimeter players you kind of. It's kind of a two prong thing. This came up with jalen suggs in particular. Though you could. There was a a modified version for coming in and barnes just because they're a little bit bigger so things a little differently so typically. The first prong of that test is is this player viable as a primary ball handler and the answer. There is to be determined partially because jalen green. I thought this was a really good note that jonathan shark sat in his profile of of green. Which i think was in march about that. He hasn't really ever needed to read the floor because green is so damn athletic that he's that he hasn't to really kinda create in that sort of a way and you don't see these ridiculous like passage abc's especially with the role that he had with the g. league where they had jerick jack and they had brown to run a lot of the a lot of that stewardship the the ball handling and they had green on the floor. Which are jack primarily in the another guys in that lineup. And i am more optimistic than i. Than i kinda thought in the early part of the film that green could eventually get to some semblance of it. He hasn't been asked to do so. There isn't a lot of film. Handle was intriguing. It's not all the way there but any yesterday some passes like oh maybe the vision is there. It's just not something as wraparound that really fascinating. I call them snapshot passes. The trae young doesn't trae young nine-year-old the athlete. But you go up in the air east takes off. And you're like well. Where's this going. And then he knows where the guy is is in the air long enough which makes green a little different and capacity so i'm not saying definitively the jalen green can be that every down quarterback offensively that he can run the pick and roll. We just didn't see that much of it for him on g..
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"jalen green" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast
"Forget that /capspace euros lyn another. You came from us so a couple other just like small things. We can talk about here before we get into the end. A little notes that i had on the strategy. The bucks have done a couple of things that i've really liked it and i i we got asked about this Think both you. And i end a hundred i last week On our spotify green rooms about buds performance. And i think. I finding it pretty hard other than maybe playing teague a little bit but you probably got play tieger forbes at least a few minutes at some time or another But i think costa the adjustments have been made. They're going to switching the bucks of been pretty seamless even when brook lopez in their electors play. Were the sons ransom. Double-screening action up top tried to run a little flare screen for jae crowder and brook. Lopez stepped out on the floor to switch outage jae crowder. Which you could tell isn't that wasn't like they're normal scheme. They don't usually switch off the ball. They usually have lopez dropping back but lopez. It's like well. The honest just got screened. Like i gotta get outta here. We're going up a wide open. Three of those. Those sorts of places have been really nice communication. They've gotten better and better at the switching as time has gone on. That's been their default group for a while. Now he's playing the guys more minutes. You wonder what might have happened for these bucks. Postseasons past had they simply played all their guys more minutes than they did back. Then you know. They had deeper teams at those points. But the middleton and honest were better than the guys who were coming in and replacing them. They're playing they gains. Those guys. were playing thirty six minutes. And they're losing a but they've cleaned that up finally They had a nice little play that i liked. How much by design this was but they had a middleton and lopez pick and roll with yada starting off on the opposite block and so they had jaanus lift up as lopez roll to the basket so eytan felt like he had to help into the lane particularly because they wanted to put two guys on the ball sometimes of middleton so jaanus was able to pop out to the top of the circle catch the ball with no indirectly in front of him and then accelerate to the rim and Get a lay up on eight. And i thought that was really nice to just kind of get jaanus a runway to attack quickly so that was a nice play and they've also been good after chris. Paul on defense a lot out if you notice that. But yes and paul has a great reputation defender. And he's a wonderful team defender. But you know he's thirty six years old and he's got a six foot wingspan and his his one on one game has lost a. He's more of us. It happens a lot older guys. Like he's more of a strength player now than they can't always feet quite as well and so going after him one on one you know. It's sort of in a weird way. It's i'm not saying they're the same player. But it's sort of like robert covington like you think this guy is a good reputation. Has a reputation defender the best thing to do. Sometimes it's just go after them individually and then 'cause then you take away all the other stuff that they do well well and paul he still has the great hands. But if if you don't let them strip you you can either shoot over him or you can spin up. He's got to move on defense either. Go for the strip oil. Try and pull the chair those so as long as you don't let him get you on either of those like you should be able to get a pretty decent shot And drew went right at them for a layup in the fourth middleton was able to make and also you tired about as well i think another thing. That really stuck out was monty. Williams clearly came to the conclusion after the to milwaukee games that he had limit chris. Paul zeman it's paul ran out of gas by at the end highlighted of course by that turnover in game four where he just fell down a for no real reason honestly. We tried to watch the films. Tv got tripped. He just slipped tired. Who knows what was had a mishandle and then in this game. They put in thirty minutes and he was much better. he's he hit his threes. He was twenty two points eleven assists but keep the time the little bit about a time when he was in there. When book wasn't i thought they did a better job of creating shots even if they missed a bunch of women. I realize booker was way in the plus. Even though he played forty two minutes they lost so but i think wearing him down and either he's going to play fewer minutes or he's going to be ineffective longer. I think on both ends. They have really just used their superior conditioning now. Chris great conditioned athlete but he's smaller than drew all day and he's older and draw. They should have the advantage against him in that one. I also think that the sons are really missing. Dario sharokh and some of those minutes because that helped give them a good passer for a little bit differently. Don't have a role man options other than i mean. I actually think that as the series is gone along that playing charge at the four might have actually been with eight and might have actually been something they considered to defensively that would have heard them. Potentially but i think that could have gotten them. More of a additional playmaker like make plays on short roles to set screens when with that they couldn't just switches easily when lopez was on the floor. one player. i want to bring up early. Part there will be echoes in later. Play but i was incensed on. I was actually normally watching audio but so is a play. I think it was in the second quarter where the sun's steel and they i think. Pj tucker fouls. I wish i remembered it was basically disappointed where devon booker then dunks it and yoenis foul. Yeah yeah and that was those. I watched that obviously Today and i still was enraged by that first and foremost that whatever rule you wanna use to determine what it intentional foul to stop a fast break is that has to be clear. That was the entirety of pj..
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"jalen green" Discussed on Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast
"Then the bucks did twenty seven which is a very nice number against this bucks defense and of course they shut that really great central three but they only got two corner threes up whereas the puck scott nine so i'd say the shot charts or relatively awash of you know the bucks were just wonderful forbid range themselves with thirteen out of twenty four twos outside the paint. But it's kinda you're expected. When i saw how few three point attempts that the sons got that you know. Their offense wasn't really working out well. But then you know to see the final score and then also see only ninety possessions. No actually the. The offense was pretty well for them and devon booker. Had this unbelievable game. What did you think of the idea that booker. We seen his potential assists fall pretty much game by game. I think he's only had five four in that range. The last three games or so and potential assists obviously a pass that leads to a shot attempt whether it goes in the us in double digits In the first game. Yeah i think what did you think of that was there. Were there guys open. That he was missing or is he just taking what the defense is giving him. I thought for the most part booker was taking with the defense was giving him. I thought that was a nice tactical adjustment by buttonholes are also not an adjustment to not overreact. So booker yeah. He had this dominant at times. And i would say really strong overall individual scoring forty points. Seventeen of thirty three from the field for five from the line most of that from two-point range but what the bucks stopped conceding. Going back to that nuggets series. I remember that game. One worth booker was going crazy. And then they started trying to take take that away and then was mikhail dubs. The mikhail british show game memory serves. Was that the bucks. Just weren't really giving up those other passing angles those other shots. So mikhail bridges only took six shots and field including exceedingly rare unassisted. Three pointer for him. That was something that Kevin pelton had an amazing stat on that mikhail. Bridges has only taken He's only taken seven unassisted. Threes in his sorry seven made unassisted threes in his career out of three hundred nine and so he made one in this game. Where there's a screen with eight. And that he just took the shot and so he wasn't getting a tunnel looks. Crowder wasn't getting a tunnel. Looks made most crowder's damage was done in the very early going in this game and so those other players were less involved even you know he got his opportunities but also some of that was through offensive rebounds and matches and everything else and so it's hard to say like the strategy worked when phoenix pulled a one twenty nine offensive rating. But i thought that the conception of the theory the process was sound and you need amid as things turned out with the efficiency that both of these teams had from long distance. Like you needed a ridiculously efficient night. To beat the suns. But they did have that. Yup i mean booker. I'd forty points seventeen to thirty three from the field. Four of five from the fine. That's the one thing that the bucks did a decent job of keeping phoenix off the foul line but the phoenix actually made more free throws than the bucks did there. Nine to seventeen janas was brick city. A- at four for eleven and booker also was eight of eight in the restricted area. So i like. I'm not if i watched it i. You're seeing that criticism beforehand. And so i wanted to see whether that was the case against switches. They're trying to play him one on one and he's getting a pretty good shots that are supposed to be his shots now. He didn't shoot amazingly well on twos away from the rim but he also had times where he blew by his guy. And you can tell how little the bucks are helping when devon booker is a debate at the room that is a very high number for a guard because it's not like he's getting offensive rebounds or the roll man or something like he's got a drive by guys to get in there for those to get a couple on the fast break but i don't remember a bunch of them so that was I think he was really trying to get to the basket and dry help. And it just wasn't coming and so then you gotta shoot. I will not put that on devon booker and for me watching this game in game four. I thought that both booker and his team is kind of deactivated. A little bit. And i wish the sons did more than we'll talk about the last minutes. I wish they did more. Just off. Ball seth not involving especially with the way the bucks defend just to occupy players and get everything but booker. I don't think he was missing guys in in game five and so putting that on his shoulders when he he did. I think he did very well. Overall is mostly unfair and the sun's yet again it. It does kind of seem. Like their offense stagnates when it gets really booker heavy but it's booker heavy and he scores at a reasonable rate. Then you can't criticize it too much. Something i thought was interesting. From from seth partner which i agree with conceptually though. I mean we've already talked about fishing. Suns offense wasn't his game. Part of the challenge of a booker centric lineup. Let's say let's say it's key. Let's say it's tactical you're saying you know kinda that old idea of let the star player. Get his take everyone else away. One of the challenges of doing for the sons of booker centric is that he's not getting to the line of time and he's not taking a ton of threes so in order like the kind of quote unquote worst potential outcomes for the bucks. I mean if he's getting to the rim eight in the restricted area. The math changes a little bit. But if it's mostly two point shots that art easy finishes at the rim. You're gonna have to shoot ridiculous percentage on those for it to be overall in fish to be as efficient as it would be an all the stuff. You're taking away of this corner. Threes as you mentioned earlier and everything else. So that's why. I think the overall approach is is a good one. I think that it can. It can work and booker if you don't if he's not taking the passes because the passes aren't there and he's taking those shots some nights he'll shoot a better percentage some nights he won't and they survived it in this one so i mean i'm on board. It's weird but i am. Yeah obviously you'd have to focus on the defense in this game for the sensors as we have to some degree. I think a few of the things that really stood out to me from the to this game is that yonathan grupo is having. I would say his best passing yes season and probably his best passing series that i've seen and one play. That really stood out to me was almost hard nasc where he's not doing it from quite the same area on the floor but a lot of times you on harden would go into his ice oh package he would catch a guy leaning the wrong way one pass away just trying to get cheat towards the lane just a little bit and then just gonna pass right to that shooter and he could get the shot off and actually had one of those two pack cotton in the left corner and content was really good to his release from the corners was lightning-quick in this game he continues to really give them something for machine perspective but i. I really thought that we're not seeing 'em could be doing a better job of opportunistic helping on him. Maybe but we're not seeing a part of this goes. The bucks are using a little bit. Better to your. We're not seeing jaanus trying to attack from up top where it's a lot easier to deal with him. I think the they've done a good job of setting him up to attack from the side where maybe his reads are a little bit easier..
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"When the olympics start will be the most talented team in tokyo. Hands down no question. Most talented team in tokyo with the roster that they have but this is like a five alarm fire right now howard. This loss to nigeria. I don't care if they win the rest of these pre olympic games which will take place through next sunday. This has to make you nervous if you're a fan of the team because not only is it this. The loss to nigeria. But you go back two years ago at the world championships where you had a us team. That was good. Didn't have probably better team now than they were back in two thousand nineteen but all nba players. They finished seventh. They've been seventh at the world championships. You have the seventh-place finish the loss of nigeria. How concerned are you howard beck about. Usa basketball. It's just an exhibition game. Chris oh no no. It's not just an exhibition game. Stop this team was thrown together over the last however many weeks they had what like three practices. I think i'll ever. Us team is thrown together. What are you talking about. There's no team. There's no no mid season practices for usa basketball. No but the nigerian team has been practicing. What i'm saying is some of the play in the nba though wants win the nba nba. A few of them play in the nba but that team has had time together more so than the team. Sorry brown coaching. that team. That i missed was that a facsimile of mike brown on the bench all season long. What what are we talking about. The warriors have been out for like two months kris k. Okay so two months. that's what matters. That's that's the number three three practices. Also they're still missing. I believe at least three guys because they're playing in the finals right now. Booker middleton chris paul get it. Yes not chris. Ball's not playing a holiday with the the what holland is your holiday. Those those guys will matter especially given that middleton and holiday are to the better perimeter defenders that that team. Usa has and if you look at the rest of team usa's roster. I don't see a ton of great defenders. There there are a few. I think those three guys by the way are going to be exhausted by the time they get to. They may well be. They may will be so. We're going to judge them. Judging when their whole judge when the games matter to strange to me like we don't judge nba teams based on the preseason but we judge team usa based on these exhibition games. That they do going into international competition. I feel like it's thirty. One point favorites. Why why is there betting line on a freaking exhibition better training but a little league baseball. Now country degenerates damn right. I didn't mean chris i'm with. Let's go monday. Nigeria money line. I just. I can't get too excited about this. If they lose the rest of the exhibitions does that mean something. Yeah that might be alarming if they're if they're still struggling to find some cohesion. That could be alarming. But i mean the talent is obviously their talent alone doesn't win on the international stage in style of game is different team ball matters. Shooting matters like yeah. There's a bunch of budget stuff that comes into play. But i i find the panic over this loss or at least the outcry to be a little bit much. So you don't take into account the seventh-place finish in two thousand nineteen. I mean that to me. It's the it's not just as game. The totality of it right. Like and i don't know howard like so in the early two thousands the world kind of caught up to the us ninety to ninety six thousand us. Gold maps then comes the two thousand two world championships in indianapolis and that's seven. The place finish was one of the worst worst outcomes in at least recent usa history. They got it together after that. They hired jerry colangelo. They bringing mike chef ski. They get their act together. Two thousand six two thousand eight then. They run off. Three consecutive years are three consecutive cycles of gold. Medals is argon. Made that like the world's caught up again that somewhere along the way and the last four or five years. The rest of the world has once again caught up usa basketball. I'm trying to understand this. I mean that's close games in those olympics cycles. No question about it. But i can't imagine the oh eight. Twelve or sixteen team losing nigeria. I can't exhibition or otherwise. I can't see it happening. No team and the and the one that followed it were built around like lebron koby. Carmelo enjoying wait. I mean that that groups at another level like as good as this group is that we're seeing right now as talented as they are after k. D. tatum's really good damian. Lillard is great. I mean come arbit- tatum. Bill lillard auto bio levin. Draymond dream ends up there in years but one has won some things. Jeremy grant jeremy grant zach living out of like. These are guys who have done anything in the nba yet. But they're all stars most they're they're also but are they to level of lebron kobe now but do you think is that what you're saying then is that what you're saying to be at the level you need to have like i'm saying the crop to win. I'm saying that if we're going to start comparing the twenty twenty one team to the twenty eight a two thousand eight two thousand twelve teams there is. There is not an equivalent right now. Lebron kobe laurent cobaine weight. And plus what we what. We called olympic. Mellow like carmelo. Didn't have the success in the nba. That some of his teammates did but carmelo in terms of talent level and certainly has resume like that group was at a whole other level. That group is a different level than jason. Tatum bam outta bios. Zach levine. Okay so not saying that you necessarily should have to have that level of time firepower to win an exhibition game against nigeria. Or anybody else. But i am saying comparing usa to itself different iterations of team usa. This one is not that one. This is not as dominant group as the ones we saw in eight and two thousand twelve. It just isn't what do you do like. What's the solution here. Like i mean i jerry. Colangelo deserves an enormous amount of credit for rebuilding that program when it was at. Its nadir mitra chefs. He comes in enormous amount of credit for what they did. But as we sit here in twenty twenty one like it's almost to me howard like the usa basketball rebuilding. The program became cool. Like lebron wanted to do it. Chris paul like dwayne wade. These guys wanted to do it and then they did it. And i think playing for usa basketball didn't become quite as cool as it was fifteen years ago. Like is that what has to happen like does not need to have like a fifth place finish in tokyo for all of a sudden the next generation of a-list stars wherever that may be in two thousand twenty four to come back into the mix and is that the only way this team can win. I mean i think we need to pay attention to the overall context like obviously one. These olympics were supposed to happen a year ago. They're delayed a year because of covid got durant out of it though like that right. It's questionable whether these the olympic should be happening at all still but along the way because of these back to back brutal seasons and everything else like team. Usa doesn't have james harden right now. Doesn't have anthony davis because of the injury doesn't have steph curry doesn't have kyrie irving doesn't have lebron kawai again. If your argument is that the second or third tier it sounds like sounds like insulting. Somehow but if you're saying that the next wave believe after those guys should still be good enough to dominate on the world stage. Maybe but if the point is that the team as best are they still. Are they still able to win. Gold fairly easily. Your probably but a bunch of them aren't on this team right now because of injuries and just the stress of the last year or two so this this is not necessarily representative of the best of the best right now. It just isn't and yes. They should still be good enough to win. Yes the world has caught up to some extent. No the the group that at nigeria's put it put out there last week. Does not leap off the page improbably. Us should've still want it. But again i exhibition game after like three practices. Let's see what happens with the rest of this. This schedule out brought mellow back. I mean he's not what he was four years ago. Eight years ago twelve years ago but the guy knows how to play international basketball. He might have sat. maybe. I guess. I didn't really. I assume that he just want to keep. He didn't kind of like four formerly re retire from the olympics. But it'd be pretty much says like i'm done like lebron kinda did to get talked into it. I feel like. I don't know if i was if i was the usa team would try really hard to get carmelo blake because his style. Whatever it is to the nba is perfect for the national basketball. He's a really good or national basketball player. On this subject damian lillard. He spoke for the first time. Since the hiring of chauncey billips. Only listen to what little had to say about his future in portland. I'm prepared to go in and do my job every year. Like hopefully we make strides over direction and could become a better team a new coach notice. That's where i am. What soured it sounds like. Lillard is at least nominally on board with going back to the blazers. But if i'm a team out there with assets. I don't listen to that response and say well it's over damian. Lillard is back on the same page with the portland trailblazers. If i'm a team with assets i hold onto those assets because it feels to me like the blazers might be one like sixteen to start from blowing that whole thing up with louis mccollum on the way out the door so get the sense now. That seems more likely than not that damian lillard at blazers training camp. He's in ablaze uniform. He starts the season with the portland trailblazers. But if it doesn't work with chauncey billips early and you get close that trade deadline. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see portland decide. Look we've got a. We've got to do something here and opened the door for damian lillard trade. What do you think. I think that nothing has changed. I think that his remarks last week because he sounded a little bit lukewarm. Or just you know you hear one of two things. Well you want to hear one thing if you're a portland trail blazers fan or if you're just looking for any indication that lillard is all in your you want to hear him say listen. I know things are rough right now. But i'm all in you know this is. This is where. I want to be you to repeat all the usual talking points that you hear from players in his position and that we've heard from bradley beal that we used to hear from james harden houston. Which is a win in phil in city fill in the blank with the city. I want to win here. I don't wanna go somewhere else. You know we're going to get this right blah blah. He didn't go down the usual list. And so i think it left open. Some interpretation but getting has changed like the disappointment was clear when the season ended. Some of the things have happened since including obviously the the the train wreck away they went about the the coaching search and lillard. Being caught in the crossfire. There at feeling heat from fans about chauncey billips being selected and so. I don't think we should expect he's going to be rah. Rah right now The trailblazers have a lot of work to do. But we also have not even hit the summer yet. Like there's the draft hasn't happened yet. Free agency hasn't happened yet. There's there's a lot of work to be done. And i think if you're damian lillard which you're probably doing is internally saying here's what i need to see happen externally saying you know what let's let's wait and see i mean you see. He can't he can't say publicly the same things that he's telling say neal o'shea right about what the the state of the roster i i would think that there are some very impassioned debates or discussions being held behind closed doors about what they need to get this thing right and if they can't get it right the he might shift is his stance about staying there long term. But that hasn't happened yet that we know of. What do you think the most interesting potential conversation is amongst players over these next four weeks like i'm kind of curious what jason tatum bradley beal talk about. Tatum and beal close friends dating back to their highschool days both went to the same high school bill with something of a mentor to jason. Tatum actually got him involved with his trainer. Drew hanlin which helped. Tatum elevate his his personal skills and they've talked about how happy they are to be playing together. Played the all star game together for the first time beal last year of his contract. Like you know we've seen these conversations yield real tangible conversation. You'd like to be a fly on the wall on for any of these guys in the next couple of weeks. Yeah i mean look we. We have a history now going back over a decade. If we're to believe that the that the heels were formed in part through team usa activities. You know which is true which is true. That's that's yielded an extra things guy. You know guys who you mentioned. Tatum and bill because they were already friends but guys also become friends through this experience right and then they start getting the ideas about playing together. Like oh hey. This is a lot of fun. Let's do this again in the nba. So there's i'm i'm sure some of that is is happening. It always does. Who else in that group. I mean man. If any of these guys that'd be trying to recruit bam out a bio but he's too early in his in his contract with miami to pry him loose from there And you know the heater still a pretty potent team but you know jimmy butler is up there in miles and outta bios future won't necessarily be there forever. That's the way it goes in the nba. I think tatum has the potential to be like the biggest recruiter. They're like he's about to start the first year of his max level extension. He can recruit bill. But like you can also does damian lillard like. It's great to play in boston. I love it here. Answer some questions of my have a playing on the east coast for the first time. Like i think data might be boston's best asset at this point. Yeah again some of this comes down to bradley. Beal's coming up to that point where he has the leverage to task out because of his contract lillard under contract for several more years and so he's not in that position. So what if it says. Like i need to go like. I don't foresee the blazers being no finish your contract. Just don't see it. i think right. And they would work with him on a deal to sure but directing it is harder so beal can use the leverage of his free agency to say well if you send me to team x. I'm not gonna resign there. Which then blows up that deal and he can direct himself to the team he really wants to be at lillard would have a harder time to doing that. Because he doesn't have free agency looming two to play that card. Yeah well i encourage any reporter. That's in tokyo tatum. Beal and lillard talking to each other. Just take a picture and then let the internet go wild crazy because it will unquestionably last thing for you. Howard the breaking news. This week in the coaching ranks. Is that jamal moseley is headed to orlando moseley of course last with dallas. A really well respected assistant coach there. Who was a candidate for that. Maverick job before. It went to jason kidd my immediate reaction to that higher howard beyond i think being an excellent choice for orlando is that we're gonna look at at moseley and jason kidd on parallel tracks. The next couple of years moseley. There was a strong case to be made that he should have been elevated to that head. Coaching job he'd been considered for other head coaching jobs. Before most recently in new york he had by all accounts a great relationship with luka doncic i understand bringing kit in he's got a history with dallas and as riccar lau said publicly having a player that played the game like kid and having a player that plays the game like don-shik make some sense to pair those two guys together. But there's always going to be as i watched these two situations unfold. I'm gonna wonder you know. Did the mavericks make the right choice. Leading jamaa moseley go and bringing jason kidd in and there's so many variables in this the first being at orlando's in step one or maybe even steps zero of a massive rebuild right there in the negatives right now. I think there's still maybe more fat to trim on that roster before they really bottom out. Yeah and you know you talk about trying to build around. You know markelle foltz. And and jonathan isaac jonathan isaac for so long. They're getting hurt and he's a great player but they've loved writing in a weird way john stays healthy. He's still more of a complementary store right like he's he's a potentially defensive player of the year at some point. He's not a guy who you're building an offense around though and marquel foltz okay. He he got himself back on track in orlando. He has a career now where he didn't have one but he's not a foundational building block. Come on like that's crazy so the roster doesn't have much talent jamal. Moseley's is coming into a situation. Which a lot of first time head coach is committed to which is all right. There's a lot of work to do so You're gonna have to do a lot of development. You're going to have to take a lotta lumps in the win loss column. It's gonna be rough going for the first year or two or maybe three. Let's see how they can get things going. But you know as it has been a certain other like kenny. Atkinson came to look a completely hopeless situation in brooklyn but was known as development coach in atlanta. And sure enough. Everybody who went there. Joe harris spencer. Dinwiddie jared allen versus lower. First round picks. Guys who were you know whether they were reclamation projects whether they were low picks everybody seems to get better the second they went to brooklyn and play kenny atkinson and his staff congenial. Moseley have the kind of effect in orlando can the front office. Get him to kind of guys. That will thrive in that in that kind of environment and carve out careers from cells and carbon identities. Jamal moseley has a lot going for him. And we've heard like many great things about it but we often hear great things about assistant coaches who don't end up panning out so i always. We have to caution ourselves on these things. Because i thought. Brian shaw was gonna be a great head coach and he was. Everybody loved him all the players sung as praises when he was associate head coach under frank. Vogel indiana he goes to denver probably just the wrong guy at the wrong time but he hasn't had another shot since then but that went really badly. Brett brown was really great in in some respects for the for the early years of the process and then suddenly. It seemed like they'd hit some sort of ceiling. Eager kokoschka of had been talked about for years is a great assistant. Coach didn't work out. Swells head coach in phoenix. David dale bumpy ride in memphis and then disastrous in new york. We just don't know like luke walton. Another example like there are plenty of coaches who as their when their assistance. We hear and see the best of them and then you know some of them be go on it and have great success coaches. I mean tyler has been fantastic. Mike malone has been fantastic money williams. Nick nurse dwayne casey a lotta longtime assistance. Get their shot and then you know it. It works out in a dozen. It's all contextual. It's all just the opportunity you have the thing for dallas is. They went with a guy who has experienced jason kit. That experience was not necessarily good experience. Like i think most people around the would look at what he did in milwaukee in brooklyn and say. I'm going to steer clear. Maybe you'd rather have the the unproven. Jamal moseley versus the somewhat proven jason kidd but. I don't think we'll know what the right choice was there for a while yet. Because it's it's gonna take some time before we can evaluate moseley as head coach. I maybe jason kidd learned something in two years as an assistant. I mean that happens. You know working with lebron for entire for two entire seasons working under frank vogel maybe picked up some things that'll be useful to him as a head coach. Moseley to me. The key is giving him time. Like you've got to be committed to moseley for a minimum. I think of three years and more likely five years. And then you see what you have in head coach. You mentioned gore. I mean it's worked out for phoenix. Absolutely but i do think he got hosed out there i mean he only had one year on the job and that year was without deandra aiden chris. Paul had devon booker of course but that was not a good team that he was coaching. There i gotta get moses the because you want to see what the guy can do when you put that team in a position to win a great example to me is james breglio in charlotte. I mean berea. Was one of those guys assistant coach elevated to head coaching position in charlotte. Not great first couple of years there but when he was given players and chance to win he did pretty well. I mean up until lamelo ball went out the horns were really good team and i think they will be a good team. Going forward in part because of the borrego is a pretty good coach. I want to see this magic team. Invest heavily in jamal. The you're the guy developed these guys and we'll keep you around no matter what the won loss record says until you get a chance to win then you judge like brett brown six or seven days since brett brown left but i can see the for letting go of brett brown. I mean they had a talented team and to a degree the underachieved. But you've got to let the coach get a roster on that level before you really make any decisions about whether they can coach. Yeah well and that's the thing about. This is what set up says apart. I think the good organizations from the bad ones is that you you decide when you choose a guy. Especially if he's a longtime assistant not a guy with head coaching experience. And you've said we believe in this guy. This is somebody who's got a great trekker record as an assistant. We're going to first opportunity. It's your obligation to when you say investment. Yeah it's time investment. It's a give them all the tools to succeed. Give him the time to succeed. You've decided you believe in him. So stand behind that have the conviction to stand behind that and take some bumps along the way you know maybe maybe memphis and or the knicks should have stuck with david physed longer. You know we had heard nothing but great things about fiscal coming out of miami. Initially we may yet you know. Find out that he. He can be great head coach in the right situation. Maybe those worth rights situations. He might be one of those guys though. I love physios and assist one of those guys. Though the just the temperament is always important. Like the government like memphis yet. Some battles with market assault didn't work out your plus new york. You just might be one of those guys that doesn't have the right temperament to be is based on what we've seen a memphis in new york might be better suited for these ranks but if he succeeds in l. a. I think he'll get another chance right. Maybe i think the point being though that if you as an organization have identified a guy instead he we believe in him then. Okay then believe in him. Stick with them and make sure you've given them enough tools to succeed Is it a pulling the plug at the first sign of of struggle and that's what happens in the nba. too often. is that seems panic. You know the fans turn. There's some minor flare up. Oh the coach and player got into it. Whatever it may good teams that can happen on as well. And it's it's just. It's the way franchises. React so you have to know whether or not the guy is is is right and then stick with them. And so yeah. Let's jomo's should get a nice long here. She got a ton of latitude in orlando given where they are as an organization given the state of that roster. Yeah i agree. Howard enjoy milwaukee looking forward to hearing the conversation with the lazarus on friday. You can check podcast. Right here on the crossover feet again. Make sure you listen to howard's interview. Spencer dinwiddie from last week. It was really really strong. Enjoy -joy the mid west our. We'll talk when you're back on the northeast always a pleasure. My friend the newest player in the pre nba basketball landscape is overtime. Elite elite will begin playing sometime in the fall. And we'll be headlined by some of the top now. Former high school players in the country players would be paid minimum one hundred thousand dollars with some making north of that and have access to high level facilities training as well as educational programs to help. Get a better grasp on that. I'm joined by brandon williams the head of basketball operations for overtime. Elite and kevin ollie the former. Nba guard uconn. Coach was the head coach and director of player development bread. And i want to start here with you. Just kind of give me the ten thousand foot view overtime elite. What are the objectives. What what what was behind the formation of this league. I think any of us. Chris who've been around for a long time i've actually seen Sort of the downside of young players who entered into professional ranks to this point. It's been the nba Who are not ready. And so what does that mean you know not not ready to form and be stars or is it just not ready to be great teammates or is it not ready to be good partners. is sort of all that you know the idea that the work day is much longer than they know. And that there's more responsibility to be in a professional athlete The responsibilities to families and communities we just have to do a better job preparing them and here was an opportunity to be part of a program that wanted to address all that. It's not just about being a good player. It's like we wanna address the whole athlete. Hope so on. Three levels were hitting basketball. Easiest thing understand. I think businesses in our world is education And then there's brand you know. These young people now are moving at a speed that we aren't as older folks and they want to build things An earlier age particularly off the court so building a brand is important something that can last well beyond their tread on tire so we're hitting it in basketball business brand. That's that's that's really thirty thousand foot view. Kevin what attracted you to this job. Just like his dad is the whole person being able coach them from a mind body and soul Experience and understanding the mindfulness athlete I've seen it from a pro level. Got up tune into play thirteen years with twelve different teams so i understand like the different trials and tribulations you go through with a player not saying that these players are gonna go through that but is getting them more prepared if they do come into some certain situations where it's not typically going the right way. How can they manage that situation. So what they do today can echo into tomorrow and having the ability to kana paint on a black blank. Canvas is what a really attracted to me to to this you know. Ot league program we can take the player really shape the curriculum you not with teaching them about subjects. But we're really teaching them about themselves as well from media training From mental health issues. All the different things that come involved because we all know chris is stress. You know from success is a lot of pressures is a lot of people pulling at you. It's a lot of people won't certain things. But how do you deal with that from a player's standpoint where you can play when you get on the basketball court and half clear and not be caught up in the distractions of off the court issues. Um as desks desks were really kind of vocal. Spirit to give back in it and how these kids you know. Have these players be available at the moment of truth to make the right decisions and that was very important to me. Kevin as you mentioned you played in the nba brand. You played in the nba. As well i wanna ask both of you guys and kevin. I'll start with you like if this was available to you as sixteen. seventeen year. Old looking back. Would you have founded attractive with a definitely founded attractive You know i kind of thought the box anyway. I was from chris. Shaw from from from south central and i chose connecticut. So you places that. I didn't even know nothing about growing up. You always thought out the box and never wanted to go down a path that everybody was going down So i was always curious. And i think that's how my mom especially my mom. My dad raised me. So i definitely been curious of this situation. No no speaking now without you know took it. I'm not sure. But i think it really gave me another option to look at it and this is what we're trying to do not saying that the ncaa is wrong overtime. Leaders wrong or right. It's not about that. It's about if you really care about the student. Athletes you give them as much options as possible. And i think this gives the lee student athlete. Another option and i think you know it's a very Great option for them to have and if they choose overtime league we're going to give our whole heart to make sure they're developed on and off the basketball court chris i- jumping after coach It would have been interesting. Chris but i certainly would not have been a candidate i would. Let's just get that right. What what things that's important. We sit down going through just grassroots community and we spent months just talking to people educating about. You know what we're about who we are. Each of us has a reputation in some other space. Not here The this program isn't for everybody is not the right fit for everybody. We are cherry picking and a lot of ways. These are players that feel like they are destined for professional basketball. There are a lot of sixteen year olds. That don't know that yet and their parents aren't convinced that yet in people that support them. Don't don't feel that confidence yet. They may be another year away or two years away but this is not. This is not the right path for everyone. Twenty four athletes roughly twelve per class. We're looking at juniors and seniors and the truth is at this age. What was really funny about scouting them is everybody's skinny and like a lanky and underdeveloped and still has like a mountain of upside to you know to to get through before you can really see who they're going to be but you know if you have a young player like brand williams who's just dreaming of being an nba player but does not much certainty. That's even realistic We gotta be very careful about this approach In taking because there there are risks but for those that that have already established in this deke. They've established a day of separated from their class. You know jaylen. Lewis has an example the most recent example. He's he's he's elevated in separate. The draft isn't tomorrow though so there's still a lot of work to do but he's already in front running physician and it gives everyone low confidence that this is the kind of investment and the kind of pet that would make a ton of sense for players like that. Let me follow up on that brandon. Because you're you're entering. What suddenly become a fairly crowded space in terms of leagues like this. You know the g. league ignite is one season in but they've had a measure of success. We've seen jalen green probably a top pick. Jonathan kamenga top five or six. Then you have the ncw with this. Recent ruling allowing top players to make money off their name image and likeness. How does how does the elite separate itself from that group. Why think i is. We start a little bit sooner so the g. league zone a great job with what we call it a year the prep year that year. That a recent graduates would be going to college and they've already been hacking the system you know going to italy or china So so there's a market for those players and we want an alternative to college for for for us though. Our players are seeking an alternative to high school so we are a school but we think about the resources that were bringing to the table first of which being an nba like environment You know start coach. Ali coach lehto in a robust set of staff. I mean scouting staff a high performance staff administrative team. Our goal was to simulate an nba organization for for young athletes at sixteen seventeen eighteen. Th there there is no other environment. Like that. And i think the big way that we separate with high school athletes Is that both domestically and internationally. We're able to put twenty four of them together in a building. So what we're selling is the best competition for these guys starts at home. I mean every day in line coaches don't minister drills administer competition aspects of practice and getting ready for games but when you look to the right and left and i noticed as a player. There's no weak link. I mean everywhere you look. There's somebody that's doing what you're doing and possibly doing more. Because they they are not just dreamed about the into the league or to the high level. They're on their way there That's where we've been able to. I think create a little separation from others that have tried or looked at something. Like this kevin. How do you approach this job. Do you do it in a similar mindset and you had at uconn where you have young players you also you know yukon. You had to keep them academically eligible you to follow that pretty closely. I mean is there is it a similar mindset or do you take a different tact. I think you just let it be you know. Similar is not. It's just whatever comes you say yes to it and you cultivate hope from it I never coached high school players. They was always you know graduated from high school. And now they're freshman's This situation is a little different in in was recruiting for two to three years. This situation is a little different. But you know from me. Chris i love the unknown about it. And that's the space i live in. Not just wanna make sure that. I have the space incorporate something in these players that they can just think about it can build from a have a foundation so when they make the transition they have every tool in the toolbox to say okay. Oh that's a problem Assess it let me be able to correct it. Let me obsessed. Let me be aware of it and i think that's the difference between you know coaching a high school kid in in the college. Kid i mean you get able to mold them a little bit better and then you have to understand where they at. Now you know back then. I didn't have social media. We didn't have social media now. These kids these players are building their brand a little bit earlier and now you just meet them where they are. And i can't wait to get them up on campus get them up until atlanta just continue to build a great relationship. Welcome spend time with the one on one in. This situation is going to provide us to do a lot more skill development that i didn't have a really good opportunity and it had not one say good opportunity. I didn't have the best opportunity. Because there's so many things we own a row recruiting You own a row fundraising these different things. Brandon's taken care of in. Dan porter is taken care of. I can just really coach the player and work on his skill development on and off the basketball court. So it's really given me my own lane. So i can really perform my job. Mama job is really breaking down and relationships it starts. Relationship is start with trust. Stars will hold is spending time with the the young student athletes on and off the basketball court and pushed them to greatness and the competition is not on. our side of competition is with him. You know can you beat your previous best bestself. Can you be better than today you know. Can you be better tomorrow than you were date. And that's what i'm coaching. And that's what i love to do. And i think we're going to have some great young man as open as biden has going to be vulnerable going to try to reach for the sky. In the sky is going to be ob- you is not going to be limits. I can't wait to get up to atlanta. We've been having some many camps. Chris has been wonderful to get back on the court with the guys. And i'm looking forward to the next mini camp and dan looking forward to getting them up to atlanta. So we really can go to work. You know when. I was was talking to brian. shaw a couple of months ago. Kevin about how he was coaching. The ignite you know it was a lot of pro stop. He was trying to bring to that team. Are you taking that same. Approach you trying to coach them like their nba players or something different. No it's nothing different is just. I'm building pro. Habits in every situation is going to be different. Chris this is going to be some guys. Come in you know. Say for instance like a. John montero will we got him and he you know is a little bit more advanced than some other players because he's been a pro- already and then it's going to be another situation where we gotta talented guy might not be able to get quick but these opportunities we can go at our own pace we can sit down and talk to them but we're really teaching and building pro habits and those habits is going to translate over to them being great pros when that opportunity come invest in the nba are the euro league so every day you know we are building like a practice plan like more of a college practice plan nba practice bandwidth doing drills. That i got from my numerous stops in the nba. You know we're doing sets in the nba. Then we gotta understand that sixteen years old as well you know and maybe sometimes you gotta you know kinda doubt it down a little bit. But i'm gonna let com. I'm going to let that go. i'm not going to focus on one of it. I'm not gonna say oh. We're doing this process. 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Divers inventors patent and unleash economic opportunity. Find out at invent together dot org learn more and take action today brandon not to continue to compare this team to the ignite but when i talked to sharieff abderrahim about that i mean. I had asked him about the sustainability of that team. Given how much. Money was being poured in to pay some of the players. And he bobbed and weaved floyd mayweather trying to answer that question. Because it's it's hard to commit to it without say a television contract more sponsorships and things like that when you can you speak to kind of the sustainability of this because we've seen startups with an influx of cash. Get get in big the first year. But then peter out. I mean what needs to happen. Four overtime elite to become a long term successful program while has got to answers. I think you know a concept. I mean we're we're selling on the ability to develop young players and have a more more pro ready right. So this is. This is the path we are offering basketball development. Call it professional Business development And we are also like leveraging. What is an incredible media platform that again. The things that we like to call a distinguishing factors. That's a huge one. So not to bob and weave one. We gotta be good ass. You know that. That's how have long deputy spurs the spurs. They were good for really long time. And so we've got the that there were good at this note. No pressure on kale right The the the second piece though is you know and this comes from my my time in the nba. It just wasn't that long ago where it out of chicago. Pre-draft combine interview. If i said. I wanna build my brand. Everybody in the room was like smirking and like you know what. What are we talking about like. It's about basketball basketball basketball And you know if you are young team developing and not winning a lot of games truth is you can't sell just basketball because your basketball isn't great you got to sell personalities and stories in that there's something that people can invest in in fall in love with other than like the final score like otherwise. The sixers had no chance right any any development team yet to buy into a story and for us. I think we have a chance to create stories but we get a chance to show those stories because we have a platform. So it's it doesn't take much. I mean i'm not a social media guru. But when i got recruited for this job haven't been around the block a little bit certainly from an nba perspective. I heard a couple of things. I really got my attention. One was fifty million followers That's eyeballs and we all know that that Business follows the eyeballs in whatever in whatever respect. The other was which is unfair. Because i think that number changes month over month but it started at one point four and not set maybe one point eight or one point nine billion with a b. billion views of content a month that overtime in some ways has found a way to the heart. The mind of young people It is being communicated and solid as you know the generation z. sort media and content engine We are doing an amazing thing here which is developing young talent in a pure way that we want to make sure that they are prepared. Top to bottom to do well on the court to do well and communities to do well in business but then there's this other thing which is they want to be known like. No player wants to play in an empty building. Everybody wants to play where it matters. They wanna play. When nick can rock and like the building and just like recognizing their talent. We're just artists. And one thing that is kind of showcase. By one event that that overtime overtime the media company producing s called. You see it on youtube to. Is that over. Hundred million people watched that. I mean that that's not an insignificant number that players that are going to play overtime. Lee will have the opportunity to be known The the opportunity of bring brick big brands to the table and support this platform If not already indicated by the kinds of investors that that have shown interest but the brands that are coming to the table our sustainability is going to be showing value delivering value to not just the athletes but to overtime visibility. I would imagine great for them but can you monetize it. Can you make it so this league is in the black or does it need to be in the black every year. Well my the good news is as a basketball man. No different than a different than the is Get a budget. My job is to be fishing and and spend wisely. I i'm not. I'm not asked to sell tickets or generate revenue that's for a tremendous And in successful a business operations Our job is to make sure that what we are delivering is high is a high level product That you see the growth and development of our young players. What's there recruited. We gotta make them better. They need to be able to perform and probably the best testament of our success is going to be our nba. Gm voting with this pick right but with a coach saying like they did a nice job. This guy was. Well coached testament to takeo and the rest of the coaching staff. That if we're doing that will prove successful. Because guess what the next crop of recruits when we're in the gym like we're not chasing them. There's sort of meeting us at at minimum half way. We need to keep bringing high level taliban and developing talent to prove successful and i have a tremendous set of partners across academics and across content media. That will will do their part to elevate our business. Can you expecting to tap into some of your. nba relationships. I mean as you mentioned thirteen teams in twelve seasons. You've made a lot of friends over the years. We're going to see like san preston sitting in the crowd for your practices as a whole so sam and so many gyms that i know you know Kevin durant and all these guys are destinies in overtime. Just having them be around. We had our first minicamp. Ray allen showed up and not only showed up. He brought his son to work out with guys. Just it was just amazing. does just see how the branches that we can continue to pull up on and they continue to pull on us and be a partnership in. This thing is going to be great. Are you expecting to have kind of drop ins. Durant's involved with the league. You expecting these guys. Just be around. Which i would imagine would be both a resource for you but also an attractive quality to this league definitely. Definitely we going to build a place where it's going to be hopefully a development premier development destination for everybody and you know hopefully katie can come out and work out with guys and russell westbrook and james harden and all these guys that we know and i know i had opportunity to be evolved. Then it's kinda beat a veteran guys We want them to be around. Because it's not. Just me sean. It's also watching tape like these are the different drills and look how k. d. and look how chris paul is using the pick and rolls and now they're showing up that's a that's a big big bang for us with us growing these young talented student athletes To get them inspired to the next level and they're doing a great job done only gonna do. I coached him. Chris a coach me on a day to day basis. I'm open to that and we just really want to have a love affair with guys and and the end of the day chris. We want appease the basketball guys. We wanna play the right way. We want to share a basketball. We wanna run. We wanna have fun. We want how to join the game but it can't just be me me me. It has to be weak. And i'm wanting to teach guys how to be involved in any system they get drafted about. They can be a part of a productive system and be a productive partner in in the community as well no matter what city they when they arrive to the nba brandon. Before let you go. What schedule gonna look like i mean is this team playing. Just walk me through kind of what these kids are getting into. And what kind of schedule you gonna be able to put together so schedule that that is really interesting for everybody. And i wanna try to illuminate. But i've got to be careful we are still contracting with some teams But for the audience the think about it in buckets. We're gonna play independent prep schools. That's going to be a significant part of our schedule. We are a high school so we are looking to schedule. Some of the top independence that you would typically no to have a national schedule can travel that have the ability to be mobile. We're scheduling home and away with with With those folks and it looks like net set as an example It looks like you know. Folks that are playing for a national title Arizona florida california. So it'll be a widespread travel schedule for us. We're also looking at European competition so think about junior euroleague as an example. Some of the best clubs the Insects as an example Where we can get a collection of sixteen to nineteen year old elite talent to compete against us. And then as i mentioned earlier on the show we really feel like the best competition is gonna come internally and that's where our league play Comes into effect so we are looking at our group of twenty four as three teams of eight. There will be standings you'll be able to track will compete against each other. That'll be a significant part of our schedule as well. We don't want to overstep our guys one of the things. We really wanna correct leading science. Guide us here. is is minimized the wear and tear. Nobody's while still developing and preparing for a professional level place so a schedule of maybe thirty five. To forty games is our target. We started september Training camp will will begin Play by mid august. We'll be done by by Late march is how we see our schedule shaping up i'm looking forward to it brennan kevin. It's a really interesting concept and hope you guys have a lot of success with an. I'll certainly be watching a lot of. Nba people will be watching but brandon. Stay out of a set of massachusetts. Kevin has like some basketball. Ptsd from all those bc. Matchups i'm sure would probably were so tough. I don't remember kevin. It's not real like talk about it. But lita past. We'd be six thousand. That's not very nice. That's hovering kevin brand. Thanks for joining me. I appreciate it all right. Thank you chris. Thanks so much.
CBS Sports Eye On College Basketball Podcast
Jalen Green Is a Lock to Go in the Top Four
"We turn our attention to another consensus top five. Pick former or five star prospect. Jalen green he was actually ranked second in the class of two thousand twenty. Twenty two twenty four seven sports. He's a six foot six hundred seventy eight pound nineteen year old guard from california who skipped college to play for the g. league night price of five hundred thousand dollars. He averaged seventeen point. Nine point four point one rebounds and two point eight assists in thirty two minutes per game shop forty six point one percent from field on thirteen point six tips per game. He shot thirty six point. Five percent from three on five point seven tenths per game. He was the team's leading score in best three point shooter. I've seen him as high as third in some drafts. I haven't gone forth behind k. cunningham. Jalen son evan. What more can you tell us well. Yeah he's shot. Fifty five percent from two thirty six point. Thirty six percent from three point range and sixteen games at that g. league ignite level. He does have you know yes. What more can i tell you for. Most people listening there is the allure somewhat of the unknown here. I mean only the diehard diehard nba draft have been keeping consistent tabs on jalen green whereas if he had gone to college he would quite clearly be known commodity. He would most certainly play for bruce. Pearl at auburn. Had onto college. And that would. Certainly things would have gone different. I think for the tigers last season if that had been the case green himself by the way tweeted back in may he tweeted and then subsequently deleted. Because this isn't exactly the greatest endorsement for the daily. He said i know for a fact. If i would have gone to college it would have been a different talk about. Who's going number one. He might well be right. But that's the that's the that's the status of the g. league ignite program at this point and that's to be expected by the way. But hey listen you're not gonna go number one because you didn't go to college but he got paid five hundred thousand dollars and you're going to go second third or fourth and i think that's a trade off the quite clearly jalen is comfortable with
CBS Sports Eye On College Basketball Podcast
Matt, Ryan Bewley First High School Juniors to Join Overtime Elite League
"The news of the day involves a pair of class of two thousand twenty three prospects who are skipping the final two years of high school and forgoing their college ability to join the overtime elite league. The players. the names are matt. Ryan bouli twins. Now i'm assuming muslims people are unfamiliar and not many keep up with high school sophomores but matt is a six nine forward ranked second the class of two thousand and twenty three according to twenty four seven sports ryan also a six nine four sixteen in the class of two thousand and twenty three. Espn's adrian woes. Hausky is reporting that each player is signing a two year deal worth seven figures which means they're gonna spend their junior and senior years of high school making a million dollars each minimum so for a while. now we've had professional leagues outside of this country places like australia. Italy china luring leap prospects away from college then last year the g. league ignite program was created in its secured commitments from projected by picks jalen green and john kameda among others. Now there's a new league overtime elite which describes itself as a transformative new league that offers the world's most talented young basketball players. What it claims is a better pathway to becoming professional athletes the league which by the way it's financially backed by among others. Jeff bezos drake kevin durant carmelo anthony. It's gonna offer year. Round development program in an academic program can be based in atlanta and it will feature up to thirty high school juniors and seniors each year. They're gonna play against each other and against external competition in each player will be guaranteed a minimum salary of one hundred thousand dollars and also be allowed to earn revenue from use of their name image and likeness. They'll get full healthcare coverage disability. Insurance everything you would expect so this is a very real thing and the first two high school players to join it. Our pair five-star twins from florida
Chad Ford's NBA Big Board
2021 Lottery NBA Mock Draft
"Tony. And i are going to do our first lottery. Mock draft of the year today. We're going to go back and forth. Selecting picks to put a draft order together. Midseason is really difficult. Especially if you've looked at the standings anytime lately and seen how bunch together so many of these teams are so i went to espn's basketball power index That list teams projected records to the season through a number of statistical factors. I think it's it's probably a better look. At where teams are going to be at the end of the season then necessarily their records right now and then based off of that we put together a draft order that obviously is going to change and obviously will be affected by the nba draft lottery where the top top three teams each have a fourteen percent chance of getting the top pick and so on as you know how the draft lottery works and so doing a mock draft. This time of season tough until really until the draft lotteries over. We don't really know the order but but we have some guesses now based off of where teams what teams have played. And what's going on right now and we're going to do our best to give you a are mock draft For the twenty twenty one season. First one we're just gonna cover the lottery and we're going to let tony how the first pick in the draft and based off of that. Espn bpi has the minnesota timberwolves projected to have the worst record in the league. Which is actually pretty good news for minnesota timberwolves fans because the timber wolves have to trade pick to the golden state warriors if this is pick four thirty and so the only way minnesota keeps this pick is if they fall into top three right now. If the season were tomorrow they'd have about a forty point. Seven percent chance of keeping this year's draft pick a falling the top three in the draft. So this is no guarantee from minnesota that they'll have the number one pick they all said the number one pick last year. Tony you're on the board. Who do you select if you're the timber. Wolves with the number one. Pick in the twenty twenty one nba draft. I select the I will not need three minutes to make the selection I'm selecting k. Cunningham six hundred seventy one hundred twenty point guard out of oklahoma state and so when you When you make your draft selections you do to you draft for two things you draft For value and you draft for need and this is both in pick antibi- you pick for for for the minnesota timberwolves number one. K cunningham is the best player draft You know. I think the gap is actually close Because you know. I think jonathan coachman gain in jalen green. You know both of those guys you look at them and they have some real special tools But that being said you know k. Cunningham is is still am. I is the most shore Most short superstar player in his draft. In and i think that's a compliment to how good distract is going to be especially in the top five But you know cunningham can score at all three levels. No he's sick. He's all seven all twenty. He's he's a natural point guard You know if you're minnesota you're trying to trace the ngelo russell Like as soon as possible In you know you put k. cunningham in the backcourt with anthony edwards who i think both of us can safely say it's better than we thought he would And i think that. That's obviously a backward for the future for the minnesota timberwolves in a really nice triumvirate with karl anthony towns so Definitely you know we all rights won't always talk about. We need some some of these number. One picks the go out east but you get the number one pick in another kind of generational prospect that comes to the western conference. I'm totaling till the agreement with you. Tony i think look. I don't think. I think there's five guys that can make a claim to the number one pick in this draft and so it's not like cunningham is a lock here but because of that i would put all of these players in the same tier and then when you look at what minnesota actually needs on their basketball team. Right now i think cunningham is just the right fit for this team as well and i i see him as a really nice compliment to karl anthony towns and to ant man right now and i think that this is this will be a huge boon for minnesota. If they get this pick and you know look everybody in minnesota has got gotta be crossing their fingers at this point Like you said if they fall out of the top three golden state gets this pick. And i think golden state already one that andrew wiggins dangelo russell trade as it is but if they end up getting you know the fourth or fifth pick in the draft does as as well. It's going to be an absolute massacre on that trade.
ESPN Daily
A New Path to the NBA: Woj on the G League's Program
"Woge? It has now been three weeks since number. One ranked high school recruit Jalen Green announced on instagram. That he'd be passing on numerous college offers to instead. Become part of the new improved G. League professional pathway program. That's what it's called Q. Explain what it is and how it began Meena. It's it's really a bridge between the end of the wounded done era in college basketball in the NBA and what had existed which was really limited options for an elite high school player to do anything but go to college basketball. They put this program place. Two years ago and they started off with players they fell would be first. Round picks were highly regarded coming out of high school. One hundred twenty five thousand dollars a year would be assigned to League team and then you would enter the following years draft. They could not get anybody in that. I really year year and a half to commit to that program. A couple reasons. I think even more than the money agents and those who would advise high school players advised against the idea of going to the G. League where it seven. Let's say eighteen years old. You're going to be playing against grown men in there who played college who played overseas who've been in the NBA back and forth maybe mid twenties late twenties and they would hurt your intentionally hurt your draft stock where you be physically overmatched. It is a difficult lifestyle especially for young person. It's not charter. Flights it's not four seasons and Ritz. Carlton's it's the southwest flight connecting it midway Chicago to get the Iowa City. Adam silver was very moved by the fact that Lamelo Ball in R J Hampton to the top players in this two thousand twenty draft when to Australia next year take my talents to the NBA. Laura Hawks next year I will be going overseas to play an Australian basketball even with the New Zealand. Breaking choke deals in that five hundred thousand dollar a year range and there was not really an option for them. Here there are things we should be doing differently. So that for an American player who decides college isn't for me and I want to spend fulltime devoted to the game of basketball. That's my best chance to be in the NBA. There should be an alternative opportunity in the US spurred silver to push ref- Abderrahim. Who is the president of the G. League she and Rod Strickland Former all-star Mba guard who also works for the G. League in the NBA as part of this program? They've been out in the field. They've been out talking the families players and coaches and they certainly explained to Adam silver. We've got to change this program. So they updated this program specifically for players like Jalen Green. What exactly does it look like now. This is essentially a select team that will be comprised of the players coming out of high school and then veteran players who might otherwise be in the G. League who would get paid comparable salary to come play here. Play a mentor. Ship role to these players. Perhaps players on the back end of their career might like to who might have an I- already on coaching or working in a fraud office will working for the League and also realize that. There's going to be a great deal of scouting attention paid to this group of players. Nba and that. This might not be a bad place for them to still be seen as viable players right now. So that's the makeup of a roster. The coaches will be coaches that people have heard of with NBA coaching experience. Some of them former head coaches and they'll play a schedule that will include G. League teams but not a fulltime jelly schedule. So they'll play perhaps exhibitions against G. League teams. They might play national teams. Who might be touring from different countries? Different parts of the year. I was told they might go to Australia. Where there's an NBA Academy maybe play some Exhibition Games? There and stay there for awhile and train and move around and now the program became more appealing for the top level player. And you've seen now if you players make that leap when you say. It's more appealing in the financial. Incentives are better. How much better we talking? Well Jalen Greens deal with the G. League is around. Five hundred thousand dollars that includes incentives. I'm told that there's a base salary and then there's incentives for essentially just completing. Maybe it's a community service program or a life skills program things that are part of it that they disincentivize financially now. Every player is not going to get five hundred thousand dollars. Jalen green was a number one player in his class. And if you listen to John Devonian Mike. Schmitz are dropping analysts. And I listen to those guys. They tell me that he would have competed to be the number one. Pick in this coming draft and right now he's you know projected to be that in the two thousand twenty one draft so there was. I think a great credibility for the NBA The G. League to get a player that caliber come into this program that he might be a little bit of a Pied Piper for others but they're not going to pay all these guys five hundred thousand some of them the pay more than the one twenty five but they're really negotiating that and remember that. Those players inside endorsement deals. If there's somebody who wants to pay them to wear shoes jailing green again is is a player who see your companies have great interested Not all the players are going to get big endorsement deals and then there is a component that they will go back. There's a partnership with Arizona State and with the NBA. And you could go back and get your degree hate for by the League later on at some point and so those are the benefits of this for players who decide. They don't want to go to college or meetings. In some instances where players become eligible and can't go play college basketball. You mentioned that players. Who Do this can also get endorsement deals? Which at the same time this is happening the NC Double A. Just came out and said were exploring the idea of letting our college players also have endorsements with of course many caveats and limitations this being the NCW TC. All of this is being connected while the shaves but exploring for quite a long time. They always seem to sort of stay in exploration mode. And when you start to dig down into the fine print of what they talk about doing. It isn't what maybe the headline was of of trust. Release or a report about it. I will say this being a part of the. Nba's thinking was that they were reacting. I think a little bit to the Condoleeza Rice commission slash report which a couple years ago essentially said the NBA should do away with one and done. We must separate the college track from the professional track by ending one and done the NCAA stance was that the players who do not want to be in college. There should be an avenue for them to bypass college and that we should take them in here if they don't want be here and so the NCAA on one level has encouraged this of the NBA. Now part of the problem is the NBA and the Players Association. They have not been able to agree on the terms of ending one and done we call on the NBA and the N. Bpa power here to once again make eighteen year old eligible for the NBA draft so that high school players who were drafted may proceed directly to the NBA in theory. Both of them both sides the union. The League would like to end one and done. There was a sense that that this would have gotten done last year. But there are terms of an agreement that they can't come to to end it. And this may be shelved now all the way until the next collective bargaining agreement two thousand twenty four twenty five so for the NCAA right now like this is what they asked for and whether or not they loosen the ability for players to earn money in college or off lightness or however that happens then. I think that will impact this. But let's I still think there's going to be a lot of players who would rather go to college because by the way meaner if you WANNA get paid. There are plenty of places in college basketball that you can go and make money equivalent to what the Julius paying. And that's that's just a fact you're referring of course to the fact that it's an open secret that college kids get paid under the table. Me Knock. I've broken a few stories along the way. I don't think I'M BREAKING MATT. One of your with you right now.