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TIP317: Intrinsic Value Assessment of Fairfax w/ Jake Taylor (Business Podcast)

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TIP317: Intrinsic Value Assessment of Fairfax w/ Jake Taylor (Business Podcast)

"You're listening to t I pay. Hey. How's everyone doing out there on today's show, we bring back our friend Jake Taylor from Farnam, street investments, and the author of the rebel alligator jake takes us on a deep dive. Intrinsic. Value Assessment of the company Fairfax Financial Holdings. The purpose of these episodes is the give the audience, a thorough discussion and analysis of company. So they can pick up on the key considerations and questions for other companies and a similar sector or even for just general analysis of a stock. Jake is a superb thought leader someone that demonstrates exemplary critical thinking skills and you'll see all that throughout this episode. So without further delay, here's our chat with Jake Taylor. Listening to the investors podcast. Well, we study the financial markets and read the books that influenced self made billionaires. The most we keep you informed and prepared for the unexpected. Guys welcome to the podcast I'm your host brought us ns always accompanied by my co host Preston. We're here today with Jake Taylor CEO of Farnam Street investments, Jake. Thanks so much for joining us here today. Thanks for having me back on the program. You Know Jake. We're excited to fight you back you on the show and our listeners probably remember from the outstanding analysis you did of how the way back on episode two, hundred nine we'll be talking about a different company today namely. Fairfax. Financial Holdings. So simply call Fairfax and later we'll be transitioning into talking about Fairfax Africa but please do not before guys. We're talking about different companies. Berkshire Fairfax might have a few similarities to so. J kicking this episode off perhaps you could stop by providing an overview of Fairfax. Sure it was founded in nineteen eighty five by the Canadian emigrant name Prem Watsa and It's primarily a PNC property and casualty insurance company and has a lot of decentralized insurance companies around the globe that are part of its company. and. We'll kind of Nice is also that date profess to have a value investing approach to the money that they manage. Their stated goal is to compound book value at fifteen percent per annum and. Since, Nineteen eighty-five there have done it a eighteen point five percent. So they've been achieving their goals for a long time which you can't say about too many companies though thing I like is that you know the culture is what they call fair and friendly. There's never any hostile takeovers or anything like that, and they do draw a lot of comparisons to Berkshire but they are definitely a little bit different. I already mentioned there that there are a few similarities between Berkshire and Fairfax I mean, you even mention if you're them yourself, you know the fair friendly imagine born buffet would call it differently but you know he's not a big fan of hostile takeovers. Very decentralized organization but what are some of the other similarities and perhaps differences that you see to? The biggest difference is really in the size of the operations I mean Berkshire is an elephant and Fairfax's and and and to give you an idea float is six times the size of Fairfax. They have similar underwriting profits last year kind of surprisingly but book value is thirty times. X for Berkshire. Their cash flow from operations is thirty times. Their price to book also is to X. Right. So it's more expensive and enterprise values actually seventy five times X. so they're quite a bit different in the size of the company and and I'd say in general that has a lot more operating businesses between the railroad and the energy, and probably a higher quality business than what Fairfax has amassed so far. But in general, they're underwriting their cultures. Their investment approaches are relatively close together. So, J just as you can't say berkshire-hathaway without saying Warren. Buffett, you can't say Fairfax without saying Prem Watsa. Prem Watsa is a legendary investor for US insiders at the value investing community, but he's not much known outside of that community I, and could you please just provide an introduction to our audience to about Prem Watsa? Prime is known as the Canadian Warren Buffett. One of the differences is that he's actually twenty years younger than buffet. So he's only seventy, but his background is he grew up in India got a degree in chemical engineering from it Madras, and then he emigrated to Canada with eight rupees in his pocket and he worked and put himself through the NBA Program at I-i've business school, which is in Western. Ontario and now after Founding Fairfax, he owns about ten percent of the company he's a billionaire. So it's really one of those rags to riches stories. The other thing that I've noticed from going to the shareholders meeting for number of years now is that president credible cheerleader of his team's. Heat speak. So highly of everybody you can see why everyone shows up to work wanting to impress him I mean Warren is good about that. But like the energy that prem conveys is even stronger and the other differences between going to like a Berkshire Meeting and Fairfax's I remember the first time I went to the Fairfax meeting within five minutes. I had already met friends and got a picture taken with him and moved on moved into the meeting, and it's very small and You can't get within a hundred feet of buffet because their security and there's just a million people crowding around him. So a very different experience and that speaks back to the the size of the companies. So. Jake I think it's so important to really kind of understand the essence of the and liabilities on a company's balance sheet. What for Fairfax really stands out to you on their balance sheet. I think that Fairfax should be analyzed just like any other insurance company, and so we think about that they take money now in premiums, what do they end up doing with it? How do they transform those premiums into assets and then eventually use those to payback claims? What's left over after that so when I look at the Fairfax's balance-sheet, they have about ten billion dollars in cash about fifteen billion dollars in bonds in about five billion dollars in stocks, and then below that, you'll have call it three billion in what I call joint ventures, which are just investments that they're making that that they have to recognize on their balance sheet as ownership about seven, hundred, million derivatives, and then two and a half billion dollars that's invested in Fairfax India and Fairfax Africa and then you have about twelve billion in intangibles and other assets. Now, against that, you have seven billion dollars of debt and about forty billion dollars of predicted insurance liabilities. So they have about thirty billion. Dollars in what I would call liquid assets and then versus about forty seven billion in liabilities that are eventually be paid. So obviously, those two numbers don't exactly match up and you're going to need some kind of asset growth to meet those future liabilities with a little bit funny. Is that Prim and team have been maligned as bad stock pickers lately but what's interesting is that only one in six dollars I would say of the liquid securities actually inequities it's a little bit ironic actually, they've been actually been helped by these regulatory handcuffs of Insurance and had to be waded into a lot of bonds, and that's actually kind of their investment results. So it's a little bit funny to see people who Long good track record. But you know sort of like what have be done for me lately like a lot of value guys have struggled a little bit and so they actually been bailed out a little bit by the fact that they have so many bonds based on their insurance operations. Fairfax has an impressive track record like you mentioned before eighteen point five percent measured in. US dollars and that is since the press management took over in one, thousand, nine, hundred five. Now whenever you look at the print, what's his lips to shareholders you can't help but see some similarities to buffets. Let us to his shareholders, which is amazing. Greed and self. You want to learn more about insurance if you want to learn more about Fairfax but it's also quite clear. If you look at the numbers of the track record like where that eighteen point five percent came from like it came from the very beginning not so much recently, and you could also argue that one reason why this declined performances happen this because Fairfax Mike Cab is only Tim billion-plus. So that obviously limits the universe of potential investments. But even if we count for that, it doesn't really explain why Fairfax has been trailing the S&P five hundred since the funniest crisis. So I'm curious what are your thoughts on? Why Has Fairfax undecided to underperform? You're right about the book value growth over that time period just to provide a little context around that. When they took over, it was a dollar fifty two in book value in one, thousand, nine, hundred. And now it's roughly four hundred and eighty six dollars. So over that same time period, the share prices compounded at sixteen point six or random it's helpful to break up an insurance company. There's really two key variables. The. First one is their combined ratio, which is the premiums that they accept versus the losses that they have to pay out how profitable or are your insurance operations, and then the second thing is, what do you do with the money that you get what the return on the investment? So it's helpful the break-up Fairfax into. Time periods to trace the history. So if you look at nine, hundred, ninety, six to two, thousand and five combined ratio was one hundred and five percent, which means they were losing money in their insurance operations, but their investment returns were around ten percent per annum so. You had bad underwriting but great investment results. Then two, thousand, six to two, thousand, ten combined ratio is ninety, nine percent and investment returns where eleven percent and a lot of that had to do actually with pre made that same bet that a lot of guys got very famous for making which was basically shorting housing the housing bubble yet the CDs is on housing so. You could almost say that this was sort of the Golden Age for Fairfax they had good underwriting and they had really good investment returns and it could also sort of point to the idea that Fairfax probably does better during downturns and maybe not so good during bull markets. So two thousand eleven to two thousand sixteen combined ratio of ninety six percent fantastic investment returns two point three percent very anemic. What happened well promos concerned. Especially, in the later part of that period with where the market was and he had a lot of hedges on and that's a little bit the equivalent to driving around with the parking brake on. So what's interesting is they actually still have one hundred billion dollars of notional value in these deflation hedge bets CPI linked that are carried on the books that only seven million dollars. So they've been written down almost zero these hedges. But you know you could imagine an alternate universe where maybe market crashes in two thousand sixteen and it looks very much like that two thousand, nine, two, thousand, ten period again, and they look like geniuses and no one's questioning their tracker hurt at all. So two thousand seventeen to two, thousand nineteen combined ratio ninety, nine percent and investment returns five point, six percent. So not bad. That's sort of like middling but that's still going forward. That's GonNa take a little while to get to that eighteen percent or to maintain that. Eighteen percent they've had if you're only getting call it one percent on your operations and five percent on your investment book. So obviously, it's GonNa take more to get back up to what they've been doing my understanding is that the in general, the insurance pricing market has hardened quite a bit lately and that's a good sign for d- The premiums that Fairfax will be accepting. So there's potential that there's probably good underwriting happening right now the thing to look at is that their bond book that they have is very short duration. Less than five years. And it has this a blended rate of three point, six percent. So if you have locked in three point, six percent for the next five years, it will be tough to get to fifteen percent but they run their operations very conservatively and they're not the only ones who have been hurt by these low interest rate in the environment I mean every bank in every insurance company is suffering through this, but they're very conservative and they tended to lately take more ownership debt and preferred than pure equity. So they've limited their downside a little bit while also accepting some smaller upsides. Which we actually seen birth Shire be doing more lately as well. So the other thing too it's important to note is that over the last five years, it really hasn't been the S. and P. Five hundred it's been the S. and P. Five and what I mean by that is Microsoft Amazon Google facebook and apple have accounted for two hundred and fifty percent over the last five years the rest of the S. and P. Five, hundred, those other four. The S. and P. Four, Ninety five or up twenty, five percent total over the last five years. So if you've missed those five stocks, which Fairfax did you're going to look bad against the S. and P. Five hundred because there just wasn't much else to be had and especially you know they've been more internationally focused than a lot of other companies and also more resource focused natural resource focus which I think I don't know if that's like a Canadian thing. Seems like everybody in Canada likes natural resource companies. So that explains a lot of why we would say they've underperformed the five hundred but I'm not even sure if that's five hundred is an appropriate benchmark for Fairfax operations. because. There's so much more global. I'd probably pick more of a global index like maybe MCI or something and maybe even more bond exposure as well because I mean they just have a more full book. They're not ever going to be one hundred percent US equities right and that's what s and p five hundred kind of represents as a benchmark. A real like how you phrase that they're. Used to own stock in quite a few years ago. But to me, the role had in my portfolio was very much protecting downside risk that was very much how a solid and so I guess you could say the same thing about Berkshire, the upside is one should probably not be too blinded by the eighteen point five or sixteen point six you mentioned before depending on whether your book valid growth or stock price growth, but the downside protection especially whenever you go in. And Look at the balance sheet and the different types of investments. Prim Watson has made moving on here with episode Jake we've been emailing back and forth here before the interview and you really wanted to talk about Fairfax Africa because that was where he saw the most value Jairo now that we are talking about Fairfax the parent company, do you see any value there and perhaps could you provide a range of intrinsic value if we want to put the stock on a watchlist? As. Maligned as price to book is as a factor these days by investment professionals, I still think it's a very appropriate place to start for valuing bakes and insurance companies. So the current price to book of Fairfax is point six nine. So call it seventy cents on the dollar. Now, if you go back and look over the last fifteen years, the average price to book of Fairfax's traded at is one point, one, six and the. Standard Deviation of the price to book over that fifteen years is point one, three, three. So I thought let's just take a base case being what's the long run average that Fairfax has historically traded at and will multiply by that price to book and what would that tell us that we should expect for the share price? So one point, one six gives us a four, hundred, eighty, five dollars share price, which is plus sixty, eight percent. Roughly from where we are today, that's actually not that bad fairfax's cheap right now now, just for fun like and I don't typically do this because I you know. I. I. Recognize that the investment world has much fatter tails than what a standard deviation doesn't conform to standard deviations but this is a starting point but you know one standard deviation to the upside I would say get you to one point three price to book which implies. A five, hundred, forty dollar price, which is eighty eight percent from where we are today, and then let's say one standard deviation downward gets us to basically like one times price book and that's four hundred thirty dollars price, which is about fifty percent up from where we are. So it's definitely cheap if you think that Primin company have any talent still I think you're getting a pretty good bet you're paying a reasonable price for that bet. This take a quick break and hear from today sponsor. Wish. 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Let's get back into the PODCAST. So. Jake let's go and transition into the second part of the interview here where we're we're GonNa talk about Fairfax area talked to us a little bit about this company. Let. Me Start with I. Think last time that I was on, gave the story about you know talking to. Charlie Munger and how he told me that I should be fishing where the fish are and not fighting all the other cod fishermen for where the where everyone else is looking. So you know I sat down and I'm staring at a Globe and spending it and what do I see I notice Africa and it's staring me right in the face. So I started doing some research and I'm gonNA share some numbers with you about Africa that I think are quite interesting and really a bet on Africa is a bet on three things. Geography and infrastructure. So there's a saying that demographics are destiny. The UN projects that there will be one point three billion people added to Africa by twenty fifty and that they will have a one billion person middle-class that's six times the size of the US Middle-class. So that's an incredibly big population to be servicing goods and services. There's GonNa be a lot of people living very reasonable lives in Africa by. Twenty fifty is what I would guess. The thing is that Africa is very young. So the median age right now in the US is thirty, five, China Thirty, seven, Europe forty, two, Japan forty-six, the African Median Age is twenty and seventy percent of Africa's population is under thirty years old. So they are incredibly young and they're young and they're hungry and those are two good recipes for eventually making large economic strides. So the other thing is it's reason that there will be ninety cities in Africa of one million plus population by twenty thirty. There's this interesting book by Jeffrey West called scale where he talks about how the doubling of the size of a city more than doubles the output of both wages and patent output. It's due to density network geometry's. Now you also get more than a doubling of crime and illness and other things you could sort of say that cities make a doubling of everything that's human, but it's a one point one, five times multiplier. So imagine ninety cities with more than a million people working solving problems. It's actually very exciting time I think for Africa. Now. Let's talk about geography of Africa if you look at a map, the mercator projection greatly distorts reality. Africa is huge. It's a further flight from Cairo to Johannesburg than it is from the US to Europe. It's over an eight hour flight Africa has three times the land mass size of Europe it's eleven million square miles and I think you know a lot of think about Africa we say like Oh, it's all desert right? Let's actually wrong. It has sixty percent of the world's arable land. So it's not hard to imagine that eventually they figure out how to being geographically located between the East and The West, they could be a very advantageous place to be sort of the world's bread basket. Now, there are one hundred, eighty, trillion, cubic feet of natural gas off of Mozambique alone, which is twenty years worth of European demand, and that's just Mozambique the other thing is that there's one fifth of the penetration testing compared to. OECD soil. So they just haven't dug into the African soil like they have all the other rest of the countries. So who knows what other kind of buried treasures are in there whether it's petrochemical or rare earth minerals? There's all kinds of opportunities there. We just don't even know yet. Now let's talk a little bit about infrastructure in the US we use nineteen times, the electricity measuring and kilowatt hours per capita than Africa does us has six point, two times, the rail density, the bricks, which are Brazil Russia India China. Have five times the road density of Africa. So there's lots and lots of opportunity for useful infrastructure to be built to improve the quality of life there, and what's interesting is that one hypothesis is that technology is really going to help out because you're going to be able to avoid a lot of the potential sunk cost of infrastructure that we currently have. Imagined skipping over landlines and going right to cell phones, Africa already actually has the most mobile payment accounts of any continent. So they've taken banking to their phone faster than we have in the US. So a little quiz here how many African companies are there with more than one billion dollars of revenue Oh. Good. I I have absolutely no idea. Okay. So the average guests is fifty, but the actual number is more than four hundred. So to give you a little context, there are four hundred people per retail establishment in the US there sixty thousand people in Africa per retail establishment. So it doesn't take a lot of foresight to imagine a simple business like Walmart or McDonald's or seven eleven being able to grow rapidly in that kind of environment under the right conditions. So let's take all those numbers what we do with them. Right? Like we I think we have a reasonably sound argument for that. There are some strong tailwinds, but how do we participate in that? So that's when I happened to. See that Fairfax launched a fund specifically to invest in Africa and I trust them to do the due diligence on the ground that I'm not able to do ten thousand miles away and I know that they have sort of a value tilt, which is what I'm drawn to, and there they'll be investing on my behalf, Africa. Now Fairfax the parent company owns fifty nine percent of Fairfax Africa soak they have invested almost sixty percent of the funds that are in that fund came from the parent company. Now, there's a transaction that's going to be coming up soon that they're voting on that will diminish them down to thirty two percent most likely if it gets approved but they're still going to. Retain fifty, three percent of the voting rights. So they're still in charge of this thing, but it's not perfect right? There are some issues nothing's ever perfect. So to operate the Fun Fairfax, the parent company. Charges. Management Fees on the fund, and it's a half a percent for uninvested money and one point five percent on invested money, and for that fee, they have to provide a CEO in a CFO and manage these investments. Now, there's also Fairfax can earn performance fees, which is twenty per cent above a five-percent hurdle measured every three years. The good news is today that hurdle is a long ways away from where we are. It's actually they're not eligible for any performance fees until it's. Back up to eleven dollars and eighty one cents, which is like light years away from where we are today. So this new transaction with this company called Helius is my understanding is the economics will now be shared with Helius and Fairfax's effectively outsourcing more of the boots on the ground to a group that's been doing this since two thousand four. The other thing you can do is actually by Fairfax like what we're talking about as a hedge to your expense structure in Fairfax Africa because now you're owning the fees that are being paid. So there's a lot to like here and we'll get into a little bit more probably in a minute about valuation, but that's a good place to stop. Used to own Fairfax I also used own chess in Fairfax Africa, but I remember my thesis for that was very different. saw a lot of the same. Growth factors as you saw, and I wasn't too concerned about the downside protection I also might push him West smaller infect Africa. But what if you liked about Fairfax Africa in preparing also here for the interview and reading through their statements as opposed to company like Berkshire Hathaway, it's a lot similar to go through the individual investments one by one simply because there. Aren't too many Marijuana Fairfax. Africa. Owes more than four percent stake would be an obvious place to start. But I also remember reading up on South African grain storage that you're in banking topics that definitely start outside several competence to say the least please talk to us about how you analyse affects Africa's investments and also the process of widening your circle of competences. Let's talk about circle of competence for a minute. It's really about finding and interpreting information, and then how do you do that? I think you know I don't know if you know this but eighteen percent of the matter in the universe is visible and the other eighty two percent is dark matter and I've wondered if that same ratio actually applies to these businesses that we study maybe we get a glimpse at eighteen percent of the relevant facts based on what's reported to. US, but, there's another eighty two percent of this person doesn't like this person inside the company or this competitor is coming for the company and we don't even know it. There's all kinds of very relevant facts that we probably don't have access to, and there's always more than we can know than it being outside passive shareholders, and this is especially true if you're ten thousand miles away from where all the action is happening. So what that requires a lot of trust in management. And to be honest, it's been a little rough for Fairfax Africa so far. You have to take a very, very long view and trust that you know these guys did not get really dumb overnight all of a sudden and the other thing too is that the price that you pay you can mitigate. A lot of problems with the price that you pay. So I in fact, there's a great quote by Buffet says that prices might due diligence. So if you're GONNA have low enough price, it requires less hurdle of having to understand every single little intricate moving piece of inside of an investment thesis. So really. The bigger question is how stupid do you think the Fairfax guys are and do you trust more the recent market quotes that they have to mark book to or do you trust their long-term analysis of what they're working on? So really it's a question of how efficient do you think markets are so let's look at some of the numbers here. That are inside Fairfax Africa, their public investment. In Atlas Mara, they've put in one, hundred, fifty, nine, million dollars they're carrying it on the books at thirty, four, million dollars. So that's an eighty percent haircut, their investment and. They put in fifty, five, million dollars they're carrying it at six million. That's a ninety percent haircut. Their loan book eighty, seven, million carried it seventy nine percent or seventy nine million. That's a ten percent haircut. The private equity side. Hgh Eighty seven million carried at sixty three, million. That's twenty eight percent haircut. Phil, Africa. That's a thirty five percent haircut grow. Capital. Seventy five percent haircut. So all total, they have five, hundred, nine, million dollars that they've deployed and it's carried on the books at two hundred ninety, nine, million dollars. So that's a forty one percent haircut. So you have to ask yourself is fair value really that forty one percent loss. Do these guys know what they're doing, and these are just more short-term quotation losses. That's really I think one of the key things of untangling this investment. So Jake when you're looking at a company like this, how do you account for the currency risk? that the company's GonNa obviously go through for the the local currency that they're dealing with verses converting that back into dollar returns. Yeah I mean that's a great point in just the first six months of twenty twenty. Fairfax Africa recognized twenty six million dollars in losses just from foreign exchange I. Think my counter to that would be that no Fiat currency is a layup in today's world. The dollar is the reserve currency now, but that's not etched in stone there could be a day where maybe that affects actually helps and for me personally I have plenty of assets and liabilities denominated in dollars my portfolio so I don't mind getting some other exposure to other currencies. All the research I've done on hedging indicates that tends to balance out with the cost over. Time, and there's no real advantage to it. The other thing too is that a weaker currency can actually be a plus sometimes because it can make your exports more attractive in a country. So there can often cause a little export economic boom because of a devaluation. So it's not one hundred percent clear that you know it's all a problem and said, there's no Fiat currency that is really backed by much of anything these days. So if someone knew where the great currency was that that could solve all these problems you know I'd be all ears. The Fairfax Africa is a fairly new stock have only traded since February two, thousand seventeen, and she also mentioned before Jake. The performance of the stock hasn't been as hoped. Having set that do you see Fairfax Africa as long? Compounding company or is it more similar to what Warren Buffett would call a cigar? Yeah I mean, it's not liquidating. So I wouldn't really consider it in the Cigar but category, but it definitely qualifies as a fifty cent dollar I think and and I'll walk through the math on that. So right now, the book value is six dollars and sixty two cents per share, which is equates to three hundred, ninety, million dollars total, and we talked already about how dramatic the mark to. Market losses are in there. Those are shown in that three hundred, ninety, billion dollars. So inside of that, you have eighty, six, million dollars of cash hundred, sixty, one million of bonds and loans in one hundred, thirty, six, million dollars in stocks. Now currently are fifty, nine, million shares outstanding, and let's call it three dollars and thirty cents. Price issue that's a two hundred, million dollar market cap implied. So we're already a price to book of point five now, I would say that is it a compounder potentially if and when the business is starting to catch, you start getting some investment returns the underlying businesses within the structure start to compound that will be reflected eventually but this is an incredibly long term opportunity and this is a perfect thing for what I call like a coffee can approach. You buy some of this you stick it in a coffee. Can you bury it in your backyard? You don't look at it for twenty years and you come back and you're surprised to see what happened. So talk to us about the catalyst that has recently caused the price to to go down, and then what you think the catalysts will be for a recovery. Yeah. I. Mean. Recent catalyst have to assume has been like the rest of the world has recognized the economic impacts of Covid and for whatever reason, the US especially attack like we talked about have kind of remained blissfully unaware of it. So it's been beaten up lately. Now, a potential positive impact might be the helius investment partners a little background on them. They're an African pe firm basically that. Started in two thousand four and they run about three point, six, billion dollars on their platform of funds. So they're taking over operations, sharing economics with Fairfax and I'm hopeful that this will give maybe even more opportunity to find interesting investments within Africa four Fairfax Africa 'cause the guys running have been doing this for longer than the previous managers who are doing this. So that was announced on July tenth. This potential change and the stock is flat in that time. So no one seems to care I. Don't think anyone's looking at it. You have to recognize that this is a very low volume stock. It trades less than twenty thousand dollars per day. So in anytime, you have an incredibly low volume stock you have to really take every single current market price with a very large grain of salt because there's just not many dollars behind the market movements. So Mr Market, it's a very light load for Mr Market to move the price around when the volume is that low all the more reason why the coffee can is probably the smart play. It's a good point you mention having invested in Fairfax. Africa I remember whenever I want to get out of this stock and what's what trend at the time and it because it's so thin the traded can be very expensive to hit any of those bits that you see out there on the screen. So it's definitely something to consider for investors also wants to say that it should also be seen this opportunity especially for retail investors if there's anyone sitting out there with their billions and billions of dollars. This is probably not the stock that the wants to build or at least if they want to going to take years and years. To build that performance and then they could probably never get out unless like a block to print Watsa himself but it's just something that's worth noting, and it's just like whenever you hear about this liquidity and someone had been buying stocks or Google stocks about not it's sort of like difficult to explain like the pain that can be involved with liquidating a position even building a position in something that's so thinly traded. So anyways, those just a quick note that I wanted to mention. US limit orders be careful. Yes use limit orders. Definite. Be careful wise words for a start like this. So the stock today is trading at three dollars and twenty cents. What is your process for estimating the intrinsic value of Fairfax Africa. So let's start with eighty six, million dollars on the balance sheet and cash. Now, I'll let you make discounts to that. If you think that it's being mismanaged and eighty, six, million dollars isn't worth what it is in those guys his hands but I'm GonNa Count is eighty, six, million dollars at the top and so far they've laid out five, hundred, nine, million dollars in investments, and it's carried it at call at three, hundred million. So as a thought exercise, let's assume that the market was really Semitic basket of securities and we remark those assets to only a twenty percent boss. Though we're moving that number backup to four, hundred, million from three, hundred, million. Now Four, hundred million plus the eighty, six, million in cash that gives us a four, hundred, eighty, six, million, dollar value. Now remember that the current price to book is point five one and I would say as a base case let's assume that you can just get one times price to book on this, which seems appropriate if a reasonably managed fund. So we're adding back that twenty percent that we considered at overly pessimistic mark to market and at a four hundred, eighty, six, million dollar book value that would give us a four, hundred, eighty, six, million, dollar price, which is one hundred and forty, three percent from where we are today. Now, let's take an overly bearish case. We don't add back anything we keep. Book value at three, hundred, ninety, million we take the worst price to book. It's ever traded at which was in early twenty twenty, which is actually point three price to book and that gives us one hundred seventeen million dollars implied value. That's forty percent down from where we are today. Okay. I. Would say that's probably a little bit overly bearish but just for fun, let's put some bookends on this. Now, let's make a little bit of a bullish case for this. Let's assume that these guys with a thirty five year track record are not as dumb as the market making them look right now. And we do a full add back of that five, hundred, nine, million that's been laid out already. Let's just assume that it goes back to par. Basically, we put the eighty, six billion dollars in cash back in. By the way, we're not assuming any returns on any investment here. This is just to go back to par right. So it's still relatively conservative that gives us a five, hundred, ninety, five, million, dollar book value and the highest price to book that it's ever traded. That was in two, thousand seventeen, which was one point four, seven times. So let's use that as our multiple and that gives us an eight, hundred, seventy, five, million dollars market CAP, which is plus three, hundred, thirty, eight percent from where we are today. So. Let's assume that as sort of a blended probability that our base and our bear and our bulk aces were all equally likely thirty-three percent chance of either of any of those three happening. Well, that implies one, hundred, forty, six percent expected return on those blended probabilities. So you know there's a lot of potential upside here if they can sort of get things together and maybe the market stops discounting everything as hard as it has been for the things that they own. You sort of two layers of cheapness you have the underlying, which has gotten beaten up and very cheap. And then you have the bigger, the rapper that it comes in, which is the fund, which is also discounted heavily. So there are a few different ways to win if you get any kind of version of the mean. US. Limit Orders. Coffee candidate by it for your grandkids in come back in two fifty and the world has changed dramatically and Africa is a very reasonable place to do business. You know and there's something I find to be personally very rewarding about the idea that there are so many other people in the world who are hopefully going to have much better life experiences. In places where historically has been a pretty rough place to have been born. So let's all hope wouldn't it be nice to root for Africa a chance again to be kind of in the sun, it would be poetic justice for them and I think it's always nice when you can root for both a good outcome for humanity and also for your portfolio. Will set, Jake. Let's take a quick break and hear from today sponsor. This episode is brought to you by a Poland neuro. Poll, neuro is a new wearable that trains your nervous system to be more Cillian to stress Apollo uses gentle vibrations work with your sense of touch to help you recall from stress and going from fight or flight to rest and Digest. So what does that mean? What it means that you can relax get to sleep photos and recover from excise more efficiently. I've been using a poll Noor every day for a month now and I on the especially useful when they want to unwind after a busy workday and also really helps me sleep better at night. 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Okay, we would. We like to ensure that everyone feels that they're completely on board. We've been talking back and forth about at limit or this and limit order that for a lot of people listening to this perhaps Newton and they're like, what do you mean like in order don't you just buy or sell, but there are different types of older. So why is it that a limit order is so important for a company like Fairfax Africa. Well, let's say that you put in a what's called a market order that just means that the brokerage account will go and fill that order no matter what the price they're going to buy whatever shares are available at whatever price, and they're going to get your fifty shares. If you put in fifty now, if you put in a limit order, it will buy as many as it can up to. That particular price. So with something that's says thinly traded as Fairfax. Africa is even if you're not a big investor, you can move the price around quite a bit and change the economics and the bet that you're making without even realizing it to, let's say push the price up fifty percent because you weren't paying attention to your order. Now, the sudden you bought shares, there were fifty percent more expensive and. They probably don't fit the math that you did before you put in the order, right? So I would say especially in today's high frequency trading world where everyone is trying to front run everyone I'd never put in market orders for anything even liquid stocks I always put in limit orders and it's just it's a better way of being disciplined and you know sometimes it bites you in the butt because you. Don't get as much filled as you wanted and the price moves away from you Dang. It I probably would have paid a little bit more to get those extra shares but I didn't and that happens. But the other side is the very bad outcome where you bought a bunch of shares at a price, much higher than you're anticipating and now you're like Oh that was not what I was aiming for. Jake, we really really enjoy having you on the show and we look forward to the next time that we're going to be able to do something like this bit in the meantime give people hand off where they can learn more about you. You know on twitter. I'm probably more active there than I should be but I met Farnum. Jake one you do the value after hours weekly podcasts with our mutual friend toby and Bill Brewster. If you want to learn more about our investment company, it's www dot farnum, dash street, dot com, and all of our letters are public. You know try to spend a Lotta time writing letters because I. I want to go back and build a Reim- twenty years from now not. Be, embarrassed by what I wrote and lastly have my book came out last year called the rebel alligator and it's a good gift for young people if they're interested in business and investing I actually I wanted to condense a decade plus worth of learning that I'd been doing about business and investing and write something for my kids and then I figured why not help everyone else out with it. So that might be a good gift idea for that young person in your life. Yeah. That could definitely echo that sentiment I read your book. It was a great book and. Our friend Sean Murray one hosts you're on the network did interview you about that book short linked to that in the show notes and I guess that the listener would probably notice Eh, few similarities to a few investors that we follow closely here including or buffet and monger and a few other people. So definitely a book worth picking up not just for you being a season investor but also if you want to give wisdom to the new generation often masters Jake, thank you so much for your time. We know you're super busy. So thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedule to be speaking with Preston you here today on the Masters podcast. Though is a pleasure guys. Thanks for having me on. All right guys. So this time, the show we play Christopher audience and this question comes from Tim. Hey, guys, Tim from Kentucky here. Firstly, love me podcast. Secondly, just wanted to ask you a quick question about preferred stock. Specifically preferred stock issued by banks. I understand that if interest rates rose the value of stock would go down but might also be case that there could be a benefit to the stock because the banks would benefit in the rising interest rate environment. Thanks for any insight you can provide. So. Tim thinks such a great question because we talk about bonds and stocks. We seldom talk about preferred stocks, which is sort of a hybrid between the two. So please allow me to clarify for the audience what we mean when we talk about preferred stocks at preferred stock is similar to a bond in the sense that it pays dividends dividends for a bond called coupons, but the two concepts not too. Far, away from each other one important difference is that preferred shareholders received their fixed payment before the common shareholders but the bond host, the coupons, and also most often preferred. She does not have a term meaning that the shares out on the Maga and it does not mature in theory in practice the issue will often buy back at some point in time in the future whenever the conditions beneficial for the company. and. Then what are the similarities to common stock? Well, they have similarities in the sense that it equity in the business however that piece of equity will materialize should that company the fold and prefers to hold us with in that case received their claims to the business before the common stockholders but after the bondholders and keep in mind that most often it is only bondholders would be paid fully or just partly in case of bankruptcy so that extra layer of safety really shouldn't matter Matz for you in most cases. As you correctly pointed out the value of your preferred stock goes down whenever the interest rate go up and the intuition is east grasp. After the rate hike, the MAGA can get a higher yield bonds or preferred stocks whereas you re committed your money into this preferred stock, which would relatively make the value of your preferred stock less valuable. To second powder you Christian about Willa good for the bank Richmond's up the answer is also yes. So in that sense, you can argue that the news of a high interest rate asked investor in preferred stocks for a band it's still back but just not as bad as many other industries and you can even make the same claim for company like Fairfax, we just talked about here today their insurance business everything else equal off with higher interest rate. However the case for you as an investor in preferred stock is that the investment you made in the bank is everything else equal better protected since the bank will make slightly more money with high interest rate, which would limit your risk of defaulting on your preferred share her for you as an investor please do not see this as a tie score, the interest rate effect on your preferred stock, which is not in your favor is vastly more important what you will gain from that stock now being able to conduct business in the slightly more friendly environment. So Tim. This is. This has been fun here in this question because I haven't even thought about preferred stock in a very long period of time. Typically when you see preferred stock issued, you're dealing with venture capital and. people coming in with enormous resources in they're coming in to have very special in particular interest met the for the large and substantial amount of capital that they're providing for a company that that desperately needs that capital but for the preferred stock that's out there on the public markets that pretty much anybody can gain access to through the through the appropriate broker I'm I it's just not. It's just not a market that I participate in and so when this question came up I, I really remember says stig and I don't know if people are familiar with this stigma. I wrote a like a summary Guide to security analysis and I distinctly remember writing some of these sections in the book because when we were doing the summary Guide because Ben Graham was was also not a very big fan of preferred stock for the general public that they had access to that were being sold so. in chapter fourteen of security analysis is where Ben Graham starts talking about preferred stock, and so I'm reading a section from our. From our summary Guide our security analysis summary, guide anyone can look for this on Amazon if you're interested in and having this, it's actually kind of a useful little book to have alongside security analysis if you're trying to actually get through the book but this is what stig I concluded in our summary Guide about a Ben Graham's writings on preferred stock. So. This is how it goes although Graham has periodically mentioned preferred stock before this chapter. This is the first opportunity where he clearly defines his opinions on its role in financial markets Graham makes. In identifying his distrust for preferred stock, he claims preferred stock takes the least favorable element of bonds in packages it together with the least favorable elements of common stock. that's really kind of the the quote that I really wanted to read for you. the other thing that I would tell you is when you really do start digging in the preferred stock, there's two types there's cumulative, and then there's non cumulative preferred stock non-cumulative basically provides the option for management to not even pay the dividend that's associated with it. So although that's a pretty small portion of the overall preferred stock that's out there. That's also something that I think you should ensure you look into and fully understand before you buy any. In General I. Think the reason Graham has this quote. It's pretty obvious is because you're getting a security that acts exactly like a bond, but it's behind the The, if the business fails, you're behind all those bondholders that are sitting in front on top of that, you don't have any voting rights on top of that you don't have any earnings rights especially if it's non cumulative so I I don't want to steer you away from this but but at the same time I want you to be very cautious of this. I think that it really requires a lot of analysis. It requires a lot of thinking about what risks you're actually assuming, and what could actually be paid out to you. when you're behind the bondholders, if the company would go into liquidation event and you know with the way interest rates are going these days in how they've really kinda polarized a lot of bond yields down to down really low and beyond what would be normal normal for any type of market condition. I'd be really skeptical that the yield that you're receiving on the dividends of preferred. Stock are actually representative of the risks that you'd be assuming in the event that we would go into a big Liquidity event, and bankruptcies and things like that. So just some thoughts to think about very interesting question I really haven't addressed this one in a long time I know have some videos out there on youtube addressing preferred stock So those are out there as well and I go into a lot more detail how they work and You know how you can filter for them to find certain preferred stock. There's I might have two or three videos on I can't even remember because it was so long ago. But if you search for my name and preferred stock on Youtube, they'll be sure to come up. So Tim for asking such an interesting question. We're going to give you free access to RTP finance tool on our tool we have a filtering mechanism that helps you find really good value picks. 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TIP289: Intrinsic Value Assessment of Berkshire Hathaway by Jake Taylor (Business Podcast)

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TIP289: Intrinsic Value Assessment of Berkshire Hathaway by Jake Taylor (Business Podcast)

"You're listening to Ti on today's show. We have Jake Taylor from Farnam street investments to talk to us about the intrinsic value for Berkshire Hathaway although this conversation was recorded prior to the aggressive market selloff today at the end of March Berkshire hathaway currently has one of the top twenty enterprise values relative to its earnings power for the entire. Us Equity Market during the show. Jake talks about buffets recently released shareholder letters in. He also gets into all the reasons why Berkshire is currently trading at an attractive price relative to all their stocks on the market so without further delay. Here's our conversation with Jake Taylor. Listening to the investors podcast. We studied the financial markets and read the books that influenced self made billionaires the most. We keep you informed and prepared for the unexpected guys. Welcome to the PODCAST. I'm your host brought us. Ns always accompanied by my co host Preston Pysche. We are here today with Jake Taylor. Ceo of Farnam Street investments. Jake thank you so much for joining us here today. Thanks for having me on the show guys so jake on today's show you'll be pitching. Berkshire hathaway and you will provide you a summation of the intrinsic value of the company. But before you pitch. That's your more. Bot your investment framework. Could you please elaborate on your stock selection process and how has or hasn't been influenced by Warren Buffett and Talamante her. My investment process is kind of difficult to explain because it tends to be just looking for things that makes sense to me and that there's no real morningstar style box that you can check. That says you know buying things that make sense to me so I ended up being very opportunistic and going into a lot of different places whether it's just buying outright cheap assets when they're available like a net net all the way up to hang up a little bit more for a good company that has good cap allocation and along runway to redeploy capital at essentially high return. So obviously buffet early on was very quantitative based investor and off only very cheap things and for most of my career. I've been more that way and it's only until recently that I felt a little bit more comfortable paying up for a good culture. And what am I thinking is evolved in that is one. I think you have to read a lot and been in the game for quite a while to have the trust in yourself that you can recognize those kinds of opportunities. The other problem is that it's very difficult to get to that point in this particular market for me because it seems like that's kind of whatever one is realizing recently compounders have become very popular and for good reason it makes business and investing sense is just the price is. I feel like maybe have gotten the little out in front of what might project into good returns for a lot of these businesses so while I recognize it I've been pretty slowed actually implemented because the price I felt like hasn't quite been there yet. Another interesting thing I've been thinking about lately on that Front. Is Everyone's looking for companies that have really high returns on invested capital and? I've been wondering if perhaps that you might be better off looking for ones. That are more moderate. Maybe like the ten to fifteen percent range. My thinking of that is that few have extraordinarily high returns on capital that is a signal that other entrepreneurs may WanNa come and compete those away from you and or at least share in some of that high return maybe at the ten percent range your side of flying under the radar and you're able to compound for a really long time at ten percent as opposed to a short period of time. Let's say fifty percent and the better bet is to take the longer duration ten percent one most likely so it's Kinda like I've heard Peter. Thiel talk about how companies who are actually monopolies. They don't advertise it. They're trying to hide it. Google will talk about how they're only a certain percentage of the entire advertising industry. They won't frame it as online advertising or search even worse right so in the same vein maybe the editor bet is to look for more mid range kind of Roi. See and see what you can find there. As opposed to like the highest flyer ones so jake on February twenty-second buffet sent out his annual shareholder letter. And I'm just curious what your key takeaways. Where from the letters this year? I thought it was interesting that he removed the Book Value Column. For the first time. Which kind of tells you how much value maybe as a metric for Berkshire has decayed in buffets mine. He's been talking about it for a while but he finally stopped reporting on that. I mean you just look at that. Market value though from nineteen sixty five to twenty nineteen at twenty point three percent return versus the SMP's ten percent and it's like it's such an amazing testament to doing something right for a really long time and the just the obscene compounding that can take place. It's just truly incredible to actually see it. Spelled out look at the float number nineteen seventy thirty nine million dollars today. Hundred Twenty nine billion dollars absolutely unreal. How Big Berkshire has got? And then my last one was interesting to see him. Say That g chain and Greg able will be more involved in the meeting this year which I think gives some hints about succession. Planning and I thought it was actually a little bit odd that todd and Ted wouldn't be included as much. He didn't mention them. At least so those were my takeaways from this year's letter but in general I would have probably given it an average rating other ones. I've liked more but anytime you can hear what's on buffets mind is worth taking a few minutes to Rita for someone like you have been reading all his letters. It is interesting to see how especially the last safe ten letters. I think he's giving away less and less. I guess that's how I look at it. They're still good lessons to learn but it seems like he's a different mode. It seems like he's a bit more in legacy mode than he is in the. Let me educate you about business mode. But it's definitely worth a read and we'll make sure she'll linked to that later in the show notes but jake. Could you talk to us about Berkshire Hathaway and no? We're going to talk about the evaluation the end. So we'll get to that but talk to us about berkshire-hathaway how would you outline the for someone who is not too familiar with the company in my mind? It's a supercharged S. and P. Five hundred it's very. Us centric Bat. They insurance operations are way above average the industry and then you have somewhat doing cap allocation. That's the greatest of all time. And typically you're buying it for less than the markets typical price due to some kind of a conglomerate discount so in my mind. It's not a bad plug in or an S. and P. five hundred exposure. If you wanted that instead could you talk to us about the five major segments of the business? Sure Yeah I mean you have the insurance operations which are big you have a railroad inside of their Burlington northern you have Berkshire hathaway energy. Which is we used to be mid American and now is growing quite a bit. They put a lot of money to work in both energy and railroads and earned that interesting ten percent regulatory return. Likely we're talking about return on capital and then you have a marketable securities portfolio of a lot of blue chip companies. That are baked inside of there. Then you have what's called the MSN. Which is the manufacturing service and retail and those are a bunch of grab bag of different businesses. Some bigger some smaller all the way down from precision cast parts which is making high tech aircraft manufacturing all the way down to shakes and Burgers at dairy queen. And everything in between so you have the whole swath of the US economy. So let's specifically talk about the Insurance Division. So the property casualty insurance business has really been the engine. Propelling Brooks Halloway growth since nineteen sixty seven year that the both the national indemnity and the the sister company National Fire and marine now today berkshire-hathaway hold six point four percent macchia and they're only trailing state farm is the biggest underwriter in the country. The Florida's you mentioned before stands one hundred twenty nine billion dollars. How do you see Burke Chef perform when it comes to macchia and profitability in the next day Kate specifically for the Insurance Division? I do recognize that. They are very disciplined in their underwriting. And the data point that I use to back that up as that. They've underwritten profitably in sixteen of the last seventeen years. That's a pretty good track record. If you know the insurance industry I found it very interesting that it seems like Geico's been the little slow to adopt telematics which things like snapshot that progressive has which is basically trying to figure out like. How much risk do you actually take while you're driving? Are you speeding or are you accelerating or slamming on your brakes all the time which is surprising to me given? Geico's history Of targeting originally government employees. That's the GE part of GE ICO so they were looking for operations that had lower risk profiles and one way of ascertaining that would be to keep track of how people actually drive and then base their insurance rates on this telematics idea but in the plus side of the category for them is that they've always had such a bulletproof balance sheet that they've been able to underwrite that no one else would really be able to take on. They've always operated at like one less deal than they could've been doing all along or one less big insurance underwriting thing and other companies even insurance industry I've seen their operating much closer to the full deals that they could do or even sometimes taking on leverage to do one more deal than they could've done and then they're always kind of digesting that deal so what it allows Berkshire to do is to use a lot of that float and invested into equities which earned quite a bit more than what most people were earning in their floats all the other insurance companies because they've stayed so far away from the edge of being bold deal maximize irs and full underwriting capabilities so they're conservative. Nature in a paradoxical way has allowed them to actually take more risk with their float. Better security portfolio. I've noticed the thing too about underwriting with prophet sixteen seventeen years and buffet has been very upfront by saying that he does not expect that to continue happening and you can put a lot of different things into not comment. Obviously wanted us that. Buffet always likes to play. Whatever he's saying. I mean giving the low interest red level. You would expect for this to continue at least for quite some time. The reason why I'm saying that as given the low interest rate you supposed to underwrite with the Prophet because the risk return you can get elsewhere. A lot of that goes into equity due to different regulations on all that can be put into equities. There was this matching principle so depending on the length of the claim You have to buy even long bonds which might seem a bit weird. These states interest rate. But that's just the way it is. It's not something we can do too much about. I'm sure buffet would if he could. But unfortunately that's not the case but the other thing that I found really interesting about how buffet has been addressing. The insurance business is also that concern shareholder Hussein with global warming with everything. That's been going on. What can we expect in terms of claims to Berkshire and he says you know most of these things by definition of renewed so like he can set new premiums and what he's saying is as much as it might seem bad one year. A lot of things happening from an insurance perspective. He's actually a good thing. Because the premiums would just go up and the mole uncertainty though are the better ensure because so many companies have to have insurance now Jig. Let's talk about the growing cast pile. It has been heavily debated for years among the shareholders off burks Halloway and today cast and chiltern investments are one hundred twenty eight billion dollars whenever I say. Today don't mean today much nine after the stock market has been tumbling for weeks. Now I mean that's the latest filing that have cast pile similar to what it was in Q. Three Twenty nineteen so as far as we know it's not growing but it stagnated at very high level. Well you know. I woke up this morning. And the market was down five percent plus and we had circuit breakers going so on days like today. You kind of have to love that cash pile right. I mean it's the optionality on it is growing with every tick down. I love the anti fragility of that cash pile when you combine that with Warren Buffett's cap allocation skills. He's proven that he can put up. Great numbers especially when the opportunities come along. I should say the only thing that I don't like about it is that it makes me a little bit sad that it's possible that he could be waiting for this one last chance to do some big deals that. Sorta cement his legacy. I've seen this before where grandparents are holding on to see that oldest kid graduate from college or something and then once it happens then they kind of let go a little bit and it'd be sad to think that longer that we can delay a crash and him putting money to work. Maybe the more time we get with him. I would be a little bit sad if he was able to bag that last elephant and now he's like I've done everything I need to do in this lifetime and I'm ready to move on but people typically do is look at decisive his portfolio and the thing here the year end it was around two hundred and forty odd billion dollars and then the look at the cast position and say wow he is a lot in cash that's not how buffet looks at it. He said actually just two weeks ago. I'm approximately twin percent cash right now and I'm that because I'm including the three hundred plus billion dollars in upbringing businesses plus we have multiple secure. It is and then we have cash if you do. The numbers is a different way of looking at it. He's looking had eight. Percent Equity is twenty percent cash. Who knows perhaps with everything that's been happening? He's not so much in passing anymore and the real ties into my next Christian. Warren Buffett kicked his stock buyback procam into high gear. Here lately spending two point two billion dollars on share purchase in the last three months of two thousand nineteen. And that's the most ever. He's done in a single quarter now. This is not significant. Pets the my cup of more than five hundred billion dollars and a lot of investors. See this estimate tunes. It's loading up on shares. It should also be noted here that the trading volume berkshire-hathaway is exceptionally low. So in that sense of buybacks yeahs. Buffet is restricted differently than other. Ceo's if he wants to repurchase a high numbers yes because he's so easily moves surprise he's been talking about how he look within the at the Osa who could buy back three four five percent without moving price but because of the volume of Berkshire hathaway she asked that is just Solo. He's been talking about or at least he's been hinting. He doesn't talk too much about it but he's been hinting of. Just one percent can actually move the needle in terms of influencing the price. But as much as we'll talk about later. What do you read into the stock buyback here? Siphon the obvious fact that buffet at times have found the shares modestly undervalued as. He puts his in his letter a lot of people. I talked to like to think that this buyback program puts a floor under the Stock. And he's talked before about in the one point two to one point three times book value ranges aware. Berkshire will kind of quote unquote defend the Stock Price. But not sure if I think that that's true or not. I think Mr Market can do a lot of crazy. Things in that can still apply to Berkshire. They'd spent five billion dollars over the last year to buy back one percent of the company. Roughly so that's in like two hundred dollars. A share for the B shares on the other side is selling. That's something that I always like to ask myself. And when it comes to Berkshire shares most of them are locked up in families who own the company. It's not the typical company that's owned by institutions or even like index funds. It's very under represented in indexes. Because of that so. I don't think that you may be get as much panic. Selling either there so maybe it's unlikely to go on crazy sale as much as other companies. I think I personally think that he would be better off looking for that next deal than buying out partners within. Berkshire itself and I don't think that there's a lot of willing sellers that will part with their shares at the prices. That are really mouth watering from a buyback perspective. It's just not the dynamics that I see in the company ownership structure. I think you bring up a good point because if you look at the ownership manual what he wants to do the least is to repurchase yash he wants to buy wonderful businesses and even before that he wants to build a widen the mortar round the assistant businesses. You wants to buy gas and other companies before he wants to buy out his own partners as he puts it is interesting especially at these prices ride now at the time of courting bricks hell awaits trading at one hundred ninety five and it would be interesting to see how much he loads up on his own. Yes in Q. Four if you look at the numbers the average spying price just for that quarter was two hundred fifteen so it might be well he would be buying back then but keep in mind that s the price of Berkshire hathaway's now trading much more appealing prices. So as more or less all the stocks on the planet you bring up a good point good. Cap Allocation is thinking of your shareholders as your business partners. And if you're buying back from them at breezy low prices you're benefiting one group of your shareholders at the expense of another and you're neglecting your duty as a captain of industry and as an allocated capital and a steward of capitalism by taking advantage of one party over another. I think you almost have a moral duty to try to keep your stock price. Trading close to the intrinsic value so that If some partner of Yours Aka shareholder needs liquidity for something. Perhaps they have to pay for a surgery. Or there's a charitable thing that there's really important to them that they need the liquidity. You should do what you can to help them. Get the liquidity that they need to run their lives. I think that there's a lot of good that can be done. The no one really talks about in capitalism by a CEO who keeps one shareholder group from taking advantage of the other too much. So that's really interesting. So buffet has mentioned in his letter to shareholders that ninety eight percent of his shareholders going into the year are the same shareholders. Going out at the end of the year and I think it's kind of an interesting metric because it shows you how strong his share by can be if he decided to use his significant cash position to conduct the buybacks. So something else I want to ask you about. Jake is your opinions on Warren. And Charlie's age There are many people that will argue that they're the true competitive advantage or at least significant portion of of the Companies Competitive Advantage. But as we all know Warren is going to be ninety. Charlie's ninety five ninety six years old. So what are your thoughts about the company with them eventually? Going TO BE REPLACED. Yeah I mean you really kind of have to get comfortable with answering. The question is Berkshire a man or is Berkshire a culture or is Berkshire and ethos or even maybe like an operating system for a business super high integrity decentralized to the point of abdication as Munger said capital Allocation Stock Selection Insurance underwriting king abandoned opportunities all these things are in the ethos of the company. I personally believe that there will generally be okay. It's hard to imagine that there isn't some impact so if I kind of go through each of the businesses like the insurance operations I think those don't change a ton thick. They've got plenty of brainpower with G to still manage that part I know. Buffet helps jeep but deal flow. I think absolutely has to be impacted. How many business founders sell their business for less than they could probably get somewhere else to sell to buffet specifically that I think is a very real advantage that he's built as a way of cashing in on his reputational capital that he's built over the last fifty years of doing business the right way. He deserves to pay less than market because he has done such a good job with his reputation. I also think the performance of any CEOS in the subsidiaries of all these different companies. It could go down. I mean when you are having to send a letter to Warren Buffett about your operations for that year and report to local Warren. Like how you did and you WANNA make him proud. He's not around. It could slip a little bit. I mean I think that's just sort of natural human nature. I think the portfolio management side of things will be just fine with Ted and todd. I think both those guys are really sharp but target imagine it. There isn't less remote host worn and Charlie just mostly probably because of the deal flow aspects. They have to get in line and pay. Whatever else is paying for acquisitions? You're just not going to get the same kind of deals and therefore the same kind of returns on the businesses that you're buying because you're probably GONNA have to pay a little bit higher price for everything so on net. It won't be as good but the ethos still makes it one of the better companies in the world as far as how clean they are and how they do business. Suject rule simply. What's the biggest threat to Berkshire Hathaway or opinion? I would probably say complacency and that can come in different ways. I think that this management team. That's been around since nineteen sixty five deserves the benefit of the doubt on all things they've earned it however is a shareholder you can get complacent about when things start slipping a little bit for instance picking the book value out of the report. It's a little bit of changing the goalposts somewhat. I mean the timing of when he's done it and there've been a few other changes. I won't go into them because they're they're down in the weeds for most investors. But if you want to read a deep dive on that I would suggest checking out semper. Augusta's letter I don't know if you've ever read that one. But Chris Bloom Strand I think is one of the best analysts on the planet and he does a call it. A fifty page write up of Berkshire every year. He's a true true expert at this company. But anyway I think he's highlighted some of the places where they will change a little bit of things in reporting or move parts of the business and it'll be a little bit less clear how that business did or what the returns on equity were for that segment of the business mostly in the name of trying to make the numbers easier for the average person to understand but for the very very deep dive analyst. It clouds some of what we used to be able to know about the company so those little things can slip here and there that the disclosures part of things because the management has earned such a reputation. You can get complacent about just assuming that they're always doing the right thing all the time and that can get you into a dangerous place. Let's take a quick break and hear from today sponsor brought to you by capital one. You know how it feels when you've saved enough for that long awaited home edition now. Imagine saving enough for an addition on that addition. That's the feeling with capital one. Where new savings account earns five times? The national average capital one is helping you earn more towards your savings goals. This is banking reimagined. What's in your Wallet Capital One? 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Bowes all right back to the show interesting speaking of those analysts and those people who are really into it. I have a very nerdy. Gigi questions for you here now. Jake how do you value the earnings retained by burks? Non Controlling investments in public companies game that only dividends are reflected in operating income. And perhaps you can just explain the framework behind. Why is that even a topic worth discussing sure? So if you imagine these companies that are owned by Berkshire inside of Berkshire but they're publicly traded companies and they're doing their own business they're generating their own cash flows and sometimes they're paying dividends to Berkshire and so last year there. Ten largest holdings in their securities portfolio delivered three point eight billion dollars in dividends. They got sent to Omaha. Checks that showed up in the Berkshire checking account while those companies had another eight point. Three billion dollars in retained earnings last year. So that's money that's created inside of the companies that they own but that Berkshire doesn't really have control over it. It's still within the company and when I say that eight point three billion dollars that's figured out by taking the percentage that Berkshire owns of the company and then applying that percentage to what the total amount was so just to make the math easier. Like let's say that. Let's say ten percent of Apple. An apple earned one hundred billion. Will inside of that you could imagine that Berkshire Kinda earn ten billion through their ownership of Apple. I think you can't assign a dollar for dollar valuation to those earnings is that it could very likely be that company. That is making the decisions on that dollar. Where does it go to could be making bad cap allocation decisions and even making that dollar worth zero like we've seen that before with companies that make stupid choices with the money that's generated? It does not accrue as shareholder value. It ends up disappearing so the first kind of metric that we have to look at is. What do they do with the money? And I think buffets obviously trying to choose companies that have the ability to invest in projects that will generate further returns on capital. And keep this engine running and even growing and so you start to see why he's such a big fan of buybacks is because that instead of that dollar inside of that portfolio company going off into maybe a project that is destroying value. Maybe it gets bought back now. And His share of the company now increases. Obviously the price paid matters for that as well. So if they're overpaying for their buybacks than they are destroying value for the remaining shareholders including Berkshire and then the other part that. I think you should think about there. Is that money stays within apple or wells Fargo or wherever it is that Berkshire owns berkshires. Not Having to pay taxes on it at the moment so there's already call it a fifteen to twenty percent. Maybe even twenty one savings by not sending that money to Berkshire to them control. So there's no easy answer there because it's very fluid on like what do they end up doing with the money that determines the future value of what that retained earning was worth but those are some of the parameters that I think about I look at the retained earnings inside of the portfolio companies. You know it's fascinating. This is a topic that Buffett has been talking about a lot lately. I think this is a great accounting discussion. And it's something that many young investors don't understand. I Know Stig and I have talked about look through earnings for the non operational subsidiaries numerous times on the show and it's really neat to see him bringing up more more and. I think it's important because there's a lot of value there. That's not immediately evident if you're simply looking at the income statement the consolidated income statement for Berkshire Hathaway Okay so with all of that said talk to us about your intrinsic value for Berkshire hathaway today. Well I think their different ways of doing it. I tend to be more on the simplistic side of my investment stuff. Like if I can't write it on the back of an envelope or on a short piece of paper and a few sentences then it's probably too complicated for me to take a swing at so for Berkshire. The first passed a look at it. And this will sound a little bit Glib because the answer is going to be kind of silly but if you imagine Berkshire as a bond that yielded ten percent and I think that's a reasonable actual approximation because their return on equity has been ten percent for quite a while and it's likely to be around ten percent for a long time just based on the projects that they're putting money into thinking specifically regulatory yield of NSF and be h energy. So if you imagine a bond that yielded ten percent and you could reinvest the coupons in the business at a continuing ten percent. What would you pay for that bond? Today how much would the market pay for bond? That yielded ten percent in my mind. Safer than Treasury's Today's rates right now. I mean it's like approaching it goes towards infinity right. I mean that's why I said this is sort of like the Glib answer. It's a ridiculously high number. Which I think is more a reflection of today's rates being in my mind kind of ridiculous and not so much a reflection of Berkshire so let's go to a more real answer than some of the parts is away a very popular way of analyzing Berkshire which is basically. Just take all the different little business lines. Add them up and come up with some kind of a number so my back of the envelope. Math for some of the parts is yeah. Let's call energy worth about fifty billion the railroad worth about one hundred billion the. Ms Are the manufacturing service retail is calling one hundred fifty billion insurance call at a thirty billion and then an investment or folio. Three hundred seventy billion ish. You add all those up and you totals up to about seven hundred billion which implies about two hundred eighty dollars per share for the B shares. Quite a bit north of where we are right now so another way of looking at it the business would be. Let's just do a simple? What has Berkshire typically traded around as far as price to book goes into the answer. There is roughly. Let's call it one point. Seven five times price-to-book-value. Today's book value. Let's call it. Four hundred twenty five billion that gets us to a seven hundred and forty billion dollar range of potential valuation. Okay that's in the Ballpark of r sum of the parts. That makes sense. All of these things are all just triangulation. Data points like anyone is not better than the other but if there are all kinds of telling you the same story then maybe you're onto something that's how I think about this. And then maybe the last one would be called like a two pronged approach. And that's basically like add up all of the investments and then try to put some multiple on the actual earning businesses and then add those together. And what does that number tell you in my rough calculations? Let's call it. Two hundred sixty billion for Equity Securities and other one hundred thirty billion for cash. That gives us a three hundred. Ninety billion dollar for Prong One and impromptu will take twenty four billion dollars of operating earnings and multiply that by ten that gives us two hundred forty billion. Add those two numbers together and you end up with six hundred thirty billion as another mark so all of them. In the seven hundred ish billion dollar valuation range so just to recap that. You're saying that the price of the BCS that's right now trading around one hundred ninety five we'll looking at around two hundred and eighty plus minus very interesting. Thank you for breaking that down for us. It is interesting what you would mention there about the potential discount because it is a conglomerate. I guess you would even have. People say that is actually the competitive advantage offer that is a conglomerate to the money would go where it's best used. I guess there's also a discount to Berkshire hathaway because it has not been performing as well. He'll the pastor. Yes it's actually been trading this p five hundred. I think that's probably also one of the reasons why whenever I talk about being good price and all that and I think most listeners were already know I am long. Berkshire Hathaway Cynthia take it for what it is whenever I'm complimenting Jag about why that's a great investment I am obviously biased and it kind of leads me into the next question which is something that which is about position sizing but it's just always such a interesting topic to discuss especially for company like Berkshire Hathaway many investors have different rules from cells when it comes to assisting sizing for example invest might have ruled that he or she won't bill position in a single stock would more than ten percent of their portfolio now. Warren Buffett is previously in his letters to shareholders commented on how many investors holding to how the way as their biggest position in the portfolio most notable himself with more than ninety nine percent of his net worth estimated that more than ninety percent of the shareholders has books. Halloway ask by far the biggest position. Please elaborate on how you see position sizing and if Berkshire Hathaway is an exception to the rules that we may have imposed ourselves giving that is such a diversified company already and may have the downside protection that you mentioned before it very much comes down to your own personal preferences at risk tolerance of how much exposure you're willing to take on any one facet of business or economy or anyone person so the first thing you have to ask yourself is about the opportunity cost. Do you have anything else that might do better than a relatively safe. Call at ten percent or Anam type of return profile if you do then Burke Shire may be sort of an anchor in your portfolio and maybe you don't want too much of it. I don't think that Berkshire is terrible. As a bond proxy maybe especially for someone who's a little bit younger relative to the prices of bonds today? So how much are you willing to do you want as a bond allocation for? Shire may fit the bill of that a little bit like we just talked about you know if it was a ten percent on a lot of portfolio managers who I've talked to and respect. They often will use Berkshire as a cache proxy so if they don't have anything else to invest in rather than whole cash they'll just stick it in Berkshire. I don't think that's a terrible strategy. However the whole point of cash that it doesn't move around at all and Berkshire definitely moves around. I mean in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight or was trading at three times price to book value. Right and typically. It's been one point seven but we've seen a below book value also so to think that it's just this like solid anchor that never moves around provides the liquidity that you want when you need it and I'm not so sure about that. The last thing I would say is that because it is so. Us centric it could form a bit of a home country bias. That is common for a lot of shareholders. People tend to own more whatever country that they live in because they feel like they know it better and if so if you are a US investor and you already own a lot of other US based securities and things that are tied to the US economy then being long Berkshire is just more of that same thing and so you may not have as much diversification geographically speaking when you may end up suffering even stronger to a home country bias but all in all I mean. It's pretty hard to imagine that. Berkshire in Penn. Twenty years is not worth more than five hundred billion dollars so if you have the stomach for long term. You could sleep comfortably at night. Earning probably a ten percent. Roughly return on equity over a long period of time and there are definitely scarier and harder ways of making money. I think you bring up a really interesting point and a good point so jake thank you for your thoughts about burkes. Halloway is always a pleasure to hear how people think about that business that we've been following since the very first episodes here and the masters podcast now. Speaking of that I wanted to end the interview on the slightly more abstract note. Because not only are you a great investor self you also one of the thought leaders in the value investing community or like to relate this to whenever I first started become interested in value investing. I think my motivation was like any other. I wanted to replicate if possible. Howard Buffett pick stocks and that was why but interest in the first place then after starting value investing for years and reading and rereading buffets wisdom. I slowly realize that it really wasn't just about the money. It's really the community around Brooks to how the way and Warren Buffett. It's not so much about business but Justice Matz about investing in a life. Well lived so in your amazing learn that you send out to your clients you talk about. How much of the human actions we've seen the world can be explained by deeply embedded scripts designed to source into hurricanes and. I know that we are going to bit APP. Start here just from talking specific numbers about Brexit Halloway. But I think it's a really good way of rounding off the into you to talk about value investing very specific and then to look at more the grand scheme of things. Could you please elaborate on that specific quote? And how you see this. Yeah no I think you're right to highlight that these guys are heroes for a lot of us but I think the amazing thing is that they're such good teachers and we benefited from them. Being willing to share all that they've learned it would have been very easy for them to just hide out. Never talk about any of this kind of stuff and share with us and just make all the money that they ever wanted to make in the world And but we'd all be much poor spiritually than than otherwise. I tried to reflect back that same thoughtfulness when I can and that same spirit of sharing and being kind others and back that these heroes have been so intellectually generous whether I'm successful or not could be debated but you mentioned one of the client letters that I wrote and in that letter I looked at what lobsters and Warren. Buffet have in common and then actually Buddhism as well so those three very weird things. And here's the punchline of that letter lobsters will fight each other for space and mates and territory and when they're able to win in a fight and get that space they have a bump in serotonin inside of the lobster so this chemical that makes them feel good. When they win and the lobster who loses has a decrease in Serotonin and ends up often retreating and then dying not that long after and so- nature has created this system where we have these chemicals that make us feel good. When we're at the top of the hierarchy. And we have that exact same serotonin molecule floating around in our brains when we sort ourselves into hierarchies that the lobsters do and lobsters are really old. They're older than dinosaurs. So like this serotonin mechanism has been with us and Ben with biology for a very long time and we're just as subject to it as other creatures are so. What does that have to do with Warren Buffett? Well I think one of the key insights about Warren Buffett is that he's always been willing to follow his own inner scorecard and not be holding to certain hierarchy sorting and trying to show off and be more than he is like he is very true to himself and including thinking for himself when it comes to investing and his personal life to at that are very colorful. I think what the takeaway for all of us is to try to recognize when we are in a hierarchical situation and can feel ourselves being drawn towards sorting and instead trying to opt out of that. I think Buddhism has some interesting principles. In it that are really about opting out of that. Serotonin Matrix that a lot of us live so. I all those things together for your investment portfolio that thinking for yourself knowing Mr Market are taking advantage of Mr Market. When you can all these things all tie back together and hopefully they also lead to a life. Well lived on your own terms that at the end of the day. 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A lot of the impetus of the book came from having studied a lot of different managers in the decisions that they make around cap allocation and seeing a lot of what to me seemed like unforced errors by people who were plenty smart to make the right decision under the math is hard but the emotional quotient part of the equation and really following your own inner scorecard and doing what you think is right was ignored. And that's how the errors ended up coming together. People wanting to show off about some big merger and acquisition that was destructive for most of the shareholders. But they got to feel like they were the big man on campus because of it that is a hierarchical sorting kind of thing bragging. About how much revenue have but not being profitable. We see that a lot so I wanted to write a book that hopefully would give those managers and then also through other proxies investors who recognize managers. Who are doing that a little bit of a playbook on how to think for themselves to have the confidence to do it and so crazy enough. I ended up deciding to it in a fictional story. Format that only baked the lessons in and we're able to resonate with the reader a little bit more than just a dry nonfiction explanation of all of these cap allocation principles. So if you look at what the book really is. It's the karate kid if Mr Miyagi was like a Warren Buffett character. So that's the kind of spoiler for the story press definitely huge fans of your book and another person who is a big. Fan of your book. That is Charlie monger. So if you listen to the episode that Sean Murray did with you jake to actually have a chance to hear what you and China among talked about for twenty minutes after he called you more or less out of the blue to talk about the book. We'll definite short linked to that in the show notes. This has been absolutely amazing. Jake can the Audience l'amour about you you book and Following Street investments yet I write quarterly letters for my clients and but they're publicly available and those are at Farnam street dot com. It's pretty easy to sign up there. I go on twitter probably more than I should. It is a very fun place to be a lot of times in the financial space. So my handle there is at Farnam. Jake one pretty easy to find. I do a podcast with a couple of friends who you are. Well familiar with Tobias Carlisle and Bill Brewster this value after hours. It's like if three buddies got together after work. Long Day at the office buying companies and then kind of. We're talking about the inside part of baseball for investing. That's what the the show is approximating. It's a lot of fun to do. We do it once a week but yeah otherwise if you know anyone wants to reach out to me. My email is five good questions at g mail all spelled out. Fiv. So I'm not too hard to find. And as far as the rebel allocated goes it's available on Amazon in print digital and audio. So you can check it out there. That sounds amazing and again we'll Michio to link to all of that in the show notes. Jake thank you so much for taking the time to speak with Preston me here today. Thanks for having me guys all right guys so this show. We play Chris from the audience. And this question's very timely. It's from Nathan and Christian is about berkshire-hathaway high presidents take. My question is about Berkshire Hathaway in stock. It owns in his portfolio. Berkshire already owns a specific stock in its portfolio. How do you think about considering a by more than individually taking into account the fact that you already have some exposure to the stock through charts for Photo Nathan thing? That's a great question. I don't think that there are any issues. But you getting a bit more exposure to any of the stocks in buffets portfolio. Because when you do the math you have very little exposure to almost all stocks in his portfolio. Keep in mind. The Buffett's stock portfolio is less than half of the value of books. How the win the first place? They have a lot of operating companies to none even apple. You have two months exposure to now is the biggest position in Berkshire hathaway portfolio which is more than ten percent of the market cap off Berkshire hathaway in the first place and is almost a third of the entire public trade portfolio. But even so consider if you have ten percent Berkshire and then ten percent of that are made up of apple she s you still only have one percent exposure in your portfolio to apple. Now Bill is a little more. It might be closer to one point. Five one point seven in this example if you have ten percent in Berkshire hathaway but any case. It is very little. So even for buffets portfolio that is very top heavy and just an example if you look away from the top ten holdings the eleventh biggest holding is just a bit more than one percent above its entire public trade portfolio. So it's really not significant. It's really my way of saying that you shouldn't think of Buffett's stock picks at all whenever you consider your own portfolio unless you only hold berkshire-hathaway in your portfolio or very close to only hold on that one stock but where do think that. You should pay attention. Is THAT BUFFET. Like all the money. Managers with more than one hundred million dollars on the mennesman has to disclose with surprise the buy stocks. And that may give you good indication of with stocks that are currently undervalued. 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GSMC Movie Podcast Episode 214: New Movies Galore!

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GSMC Movie Podcast Episode 214: New Movies Galore!

"Can't decide and torn between a romantic comedy action or an Indie film to watch for the weekend. Well, well, golden state media concepts you podcast is your ultimate guide to the latest movies. Join us is we dissect the latest on the blockbusters. It's the Golden State media concept's movie podcast. Your. Thank you for tuning into the GMC movie podcast brought to you by the GSM see podcast network I'm your host. Elizabeth Erin. It's pretty impressive that more and more new content seems to be appearing on net flicks and other streaming platforms at this time to maybe it's just immagination but it seemed earlier when we were starting to shelter in place the movie choices pretty slim now though there seems to be fair amount of new material fresh stuff and it's here or it's on its way. So that's great news. And as a result, today will be covering movies that were released for streaming just months on Netflix. In the first segment I'll be talking about the movie work it. which became available for streaming on August seventh and the second segment I'll be giving my thoughts on the movie Gun Sex Ena, the cargo girl, which became available on August twelfth. And the third segment of the show I'll be sharing my thoughts on the movie, the sleepover which became available on August twenty first, and then stick around for the end of the show would not be reviewing the movie night comes on which became available just as week on August twenty seventh. Now that on in as I mentioned in the first segment of the show are we talking about the movie work it? This is a brand movie. It was made available to stream on Netflix, on August seventh, and that is when that movie was officially released anywhere. It's would be here in twenty twenty it is rated TV fourteen because there is some language is an hour and thirty three minutes long it's considered a teen movie comedy if some music in it and it is a Netflix's foam. And, the netflix's summary of this movie is a brilliant but clumsy high school senior vows to get into her late father's alma mater by transforming herself and misfit squad into dance champions. If that's quite a good summer, the movie was directed by Laura to Rousseau, and she is an award winning director. She won the audience choice narrative for the movie. Good girls get high in two thousand eighteen for the Santa Fe Independent. Film Festival she's known for directing short movies and she has also directed a bunch of episodes of the TV series. I want my phone back she also directed the feature fits and starts sweaty stars Sabrina Carpenter she plays our main character Quinn. She won an award as part of the Best John Humble feature film for movie horns at Joey Awards in Vancouver she's been in a lot of short films and video movies but. included. The short history of the long road, the hate you give and noobs she was also an episode of Orange is the new black. The movie stars Lies Akashi who plays Wins Best Friend Jazz. She's the winner of a youtube, create a reward and she's also won best comedy series invested acting in a comedy for the streaming awards in twenty eighteen and that's for the series lies on-demand. She's been in the movies FM L. Tyler Perry's Boo Amadiyah. Halloween. And she's been in TV series such as Freakish and escape tonight. And Jordan, Fisher. Is In this movie, he plays Jake Taylor Quinn's love interest as well as her against teams choreographer. He spent a lot of television shows and television movies. He's been an episode of such series as secret life of the American teenager, Teen Wolf, live, Maddie, and Archibald next big thing. At the start of this movie, we see a dance group, these other thunderbirds, and they are the reigning champions of a dance competition at the high school where Quinn goes to we then here quint voiceover. She's telling us a bit about the dancers in her life. She talks about how she starts mornings listening to Ted talks how she rides with Jazz to school jazz picks her up in jazz plans to be a professional dancer. By the way jazz is Short Jasmine Angie tells us how she is doing everything in her power to ensure that she gets into Duke University, which is her first choice as it turns out her father had conto Duke and he died when she was twelve. He loved it so much and she was so accustomed to going to events with him there that she felt it was like a second home to her already and she couldn't imagine going anywhere else for higher education. However, at the competition is pretty steep. So at the start of the movie waste, the thunderbirds doing business and they are doing preparation to get into the work at dance, competition? They've won before and they plan to win again. But in particular because the lead dancer knows is going to be a recruiter from the New York Dance Academy, there, and that is where he wants to go. It's also where jazz wants to go and seems like she gets outshined by this dancer. An at this practice of the Thunderbirds Quinn is managing all affiliating. And because of a clancy move of hers, all the Lighting Essentially blows up. That means they're going to be in trouble when it comes to fulfilling practices going forward. As a result, the lead dancer Fires Quinn. She's no longer allowed to manage the leading or come anywhere near the dancers hit not long after this, she has her interview with the admissions department at Duke. When push comes to shove she feels she has to do something that's going to really impress them and she ends up saying that she is a dancer that's going to be competing at the work competition and yet dancing is not her forte. So she's got herself in a little bit of a bind. She convinces jazz to teach her how to dance. Soon, two weeks can audition for the thunderbirds to see if she can be a member of their group. As it turns out, the thunderbirds only have room for one new person and Quinn pretty much falls short of expectations. Willing to do anything to get into duke she gets the idea from that audition to form her own dance group and see if they can do better at the competition at work it because that's where the admissions person says she is going to be as looking forward to seeing Quinn. Clinic Roots Jazz to help her form the team to be on the team and from this point forward, there is a big adventure in getting this team off the ground figuring out if they're going to be able to harness their skills in such a way that they will be able to dance really well as competition and hopefully win. Now go Quinn is not very talented a dancer. She does know her stuff she's a great organizer or project manager. She's really smart. Through a bunch of research, she discovers things that are necessary in order for this team to be a competitive team that includes finding a great choreographer. She locates someone who team had won the competition in the past and found out that he has an injury and he has been seen around much. So she approaches him to see if he will be the choreographer at first he's resistant but ultimately says is if they can pass the first leg of the competition and get in, then he will move on to be there fulltime choreographer. Needless to say the group that Quin has formed gets in by the skin of their teeth. And Jake Taylor this choreographer comes on board. Now. Quinn in Jake start forming a romantic. It's really sweet see. I we saw them in more of a conflict and he got more and more impressed by what she was doing. And he was helping her try to deal with some of her issues around dancing because she was pretty stiff and really finding it hard to get out of her own head and into her body so that she could just let her body flow to whatever music was playing. There were plenty of snafus along the way and ups and downs with this group ups and downs in terms of how Quinn was going to participate because her grades try to suffering she got more involved with this dance group. She was laughing the dance group finding creativity in purpose in connection with these others in ways she never has before and she's really growing and changing and loving all of it. She also feels really committed to the group that is until her mother gets wind of her grades sort of nosedive and possibly ruining our chances to getting into Duke and while getting to. Duke was Quinn's dream. It was also a dream for her mother together. This is something that they've been working towards. Making sure that this dream of theirs comes true. But with this Quinn orange a big lesson about what commitment means. Here, she got this group together. As she was getting ready to bow out because she wanted to keep her commitment to her mother. This created a setback in her. In her relationships with everyone in the group and with Jake. With his morning, she finds a way to turn it around. And is another wrinkle to keep us on our toes, which is the person that Quinn had interviewed with. In the admissions department had left her job, she's moving to a school and as a result, Quinn's need to be in this dance competition suddenly seemed to go out the window. In any case we go on this wild ride with Quinn interference into will not reveal what happens at the end. I. Will Say However, overall movie is a pretty upbeat movie. The acting is fund in quick and there's some good chemistry between the characters I. Also, appreciate that Quinn is a problem solver and she's a risk taker. She doesn't have a whole lot of dance experience or ability for that matter and yet she is willing to dive in and do this not give up and she recognizes the power in numbers and having people who are experts who can help along the way. All of that I think is great role modeling especially for kids to see how to get something done. And the story is a fun story. It's not very deep. The story doesn't take itself seriously and I think none of these actors are known actors. So I, think they a good job in making a story happen that all said there are some things about this movie I absolutely hated. Really I just felt there was no excuse for including these things in there they were not necessary. For example. One of Quinn's extracurricular activities is being volunteer at a local nursing home at one point when her dance group needs a place to practice dancing while the solution is nursing him, it was an open space by the also wanted to test their audition in Evan audience see what the response was. So they thought Oh woodwork upgrade they can do this for the seniors and entertain them during this very popular movie plane and there's only one senior who is available to be the audience. He's an elderly gentleman who seems as if he may have had a stroke, he is in a wheelchair. Something happens as a result of this gentleman seeing that performance and I'm not gonNA spoil it. But I will say is the way he was used I thought was awful. It was just L. looked down on him. It made fun of Him Frankly I. Mean Pincer Prize the actor was willing to do the role as another example when the team is trying to qualify to get into the competition this is another competition in his own right and they have to place towards the top in order to be able to move forward and go to work at. Their hope is that the team that follows them is worse than they are because if that's the case Dobie issuing to have their space. The team that does come after them seems to be pretty good but something happens that disqualifies them. I will not state what that is but I will say that it was Raunchy in poor taste. I felt it sent a negative message to young men and I didn't find it. Funny. Instead, I actually find it pretty disturbing. And there is yet another example. There is a point where Johnson. Quyen are sitting outside a mattress store in jazz in and she sees a very attractive salesman. At one point when she recognizes that Quinn is interested in Jake Taylor. Quin doesn't really know how to approach Jake Taylor to let them know that she's interested jazz takes her into this mattress shop in aims to show her how it is done the coming onto the salesperson now I I think she is probably underage and second way that she does it again I starving I didn't feel it was sending the right kind of message to young women about how they could connect with a man that they find attractive. In an of themselves, scenes could be funny. I get that but my feeling is that the negative message outweighs the humor in each of these scenes. However, there were some genuinely funny scenes. I loved the scene with Quinn talking to the admissions person he admissions person was a little bit nutty and she really wanted Quinta push the envelope to show how she was different in creative when Quinn listed out all of the. Things that she felt separated her from the other candidates, the admissions person through a bunch of file folders right in front of Quinn said the all have the same exact experience that seemed pretty ludicrous and I felt the opening tone comedy especially with Quinn's billion the coffee on the lighting console and talking about her around quirkiness like listening to Ted talks first thing every morning. Something that I am not really sure worked very well is Quinn and Jake as a couple. There were some really sweet scenes and that is true. Yet I didn't find much chemistry between them. I wanted to but there wasn't a lot there. There are an interracial couple and I don't think that makes a difference. In fact, I loved that they just appreciated each other's differences and that that wasn't an issue for them at all and the one thing that really did seem to bond them was that jake was able to finally connect Quinn to her body, get her out of her head so that she could discover how to dance but I guess what I'll say. About that is all the elements were there for them to have a nice romantic connection that was believable I. Think it was probably great in the script on paper, but somehow it didn't come off the page onto the screen very effectively. This movie was quite formulaic. There's this dance competition and Quinn who has no experience and her team which has never danced together. They need to pour rabbit out of a hat in order to get into the competition and hopefully win it. And there is a love story that comes as a result of the dancing and there's the there is a parent who's going to come between the daughter and what she wants to do. Those things I've seen over and over and over now there were some unique twists with regard to this story. As it anything really special. No in this movie was rated TV fourteen because of language in particular I would say that there are more things than that to be cautious of s movie. I would say this was a pretty juvenile levy pretty immature. And there'll be some things in this movie that either the kids are precocious and know their way around the block and we'll get it or it will bring up some questions in potential issues that the parents will want to explain to their child that is assuming they're seeing it together. So when scale of one to ten ten being most excellent movie, however I read this movie, give it a four for what it was in many regards it was well done. It was put together. Well, they want a lot of holes in the. The acting was pretty good. The dancing wasn't bad either the music was fun. But I felt it wasn't socially conscious and it just filters an excuse today for any movie to have some poor role modeling. In places where this movie was trying to be funny ultimately made me lost the respect for the movie. A stay tuned for the next segment of the show when I'll be looking at the movie Kundun Saxena, the cargo girl after the break. Want to know the latest and hottest music hidden the airwaves. Be Left, out listen to the Golden State, media concepts music. PODCAST. On the with everything you need to know from pop rock hiphop top flooring, and we'll throw in news of your favorite artists concert and tour dates and so much more listed. No further because this is the gold standard in music podcast. Thanks for joining for the second segment of the show. I'm your host, Elizabeth Aaron. In the last segment, I talked about the movie work it. I'm now going to discuss the movie Gunderson Saxena Cargo Girl. This is a new movie. It was just released in the United States on August twelfth on Netflix. This movie is rated TV fourteen and it's interesting. The reason it's rated for that is fear. And I. think that is a fascinating reason usually language worse smoking or something like that. So fear is it. This is a longer movie It's an hour fifty, two minutes. It has subtitles I will say that the subtitles did not interfere with my enjoyment of this movie. In fact, often I didn't even realize I was reading the subtitles was so involved in the movie. So that's something to keep in mind and this is inspired by a true story is inspired by the life of a fearless young. Who made history by becoming the first Indian, female Air Force officer to fly in a combat zone during the nineteen, ninety, nine cargo were. In that Netflix's summary of this movie, I should say that it is an Indian movie that may go without saying but it is also hindi-language movie, which is why the subtitles. The director of the survey is Sharon Sharma. Based on her filmography on the Internet database, she has served as miscellaneous crew members on film crews. She's been associate director and a director's assistant. This movie however is her first movie as a feature film director this movie Stars Actress John v Kapoor. It looks like she has some experience in possibly modeling or Glamour. But in terms of her movies, she has won some awards for the movie. The duck she won best debut actor for the Lions Gold Awards in best debut actress for the Zee Cine Awards. Most of acting seems to have taken place within the last two years and she's been in the movies, go stories and Bombay girl among others at in this would be she's playing. We'd Character Goon John Cena. The actor Pankaj Tripati was also in this movie he has won some awards including the Best Actor award for Cape Town and Violent International Film Festival South Africa for the movie mango dreams and he also won best supporting actor for the same movie at the Data Saheeb Paddock Gay Film Festival Anti One of supporting actor award for at the movie stree- at the screen awards in India. In this movie, he plays colonel a new sex CENA he is the father of our protagonist. That also like to mention another actor in this movie as ungodly Bady, he plays on Shimin Saxena. He is gone John's brother. It looks like he's probably mostly been in Indian movies but some of the titles include pink. Tiger. And Zoya factor the very opening of this movie even before there are any credits shown or any of the story begins there the screen essentially says that this is based on a true story and that certain things have been changed just for dramatic purposes I, appreciated the honesty that was upfront about this. I'm a big fan of biographical movies or movies based on real life, and I often wonder how much is real. How much isn't? How much creative license was with it, and what can I really believe simply based on the fact that this message is there as if you are this movie, I already have a certain level of trust that director the writers are taking great care with the story and doing their best to present it in a way. That as if you're I can trust. The movie begins with a scene that is going to spur a flashback. The Group of Soldiers Walking Valley in the cargo area of India. Soon, they get shot at and they need help they need to get the wounded people out of there as soon as they can however, the commander is in a tight spot. The majority of the helicopter pilots that would normally fly in to help these soldiers that were down on another mission, and there's only one pilot available to help and that is good. John. She has proven herself to be a very capable pilot, and yet what we learn throughout the movie is how controversial it is that this is a woman who's doing this work in the opening we see her run to her helicopter in take off. By the way, this war is happening in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine. After that, we go back to where the story begins and that happens to be fifteen years earlier. She's a young girl on an airplane sitting next to her brother. Her Brother has a window seat and she is dying look out the window at the land below at the clouds yet her brother has the winner shape hole down she keeps trying to put it up and finally he just had any said stop. She clearly feels shutdown. However, the good news for her is a flight attendant. saw what happened. She asked John to follow her and she takes her to the cockpit where she gets to see the pilots doing their work and to play with some control to help fly the plane. Well, this is it for her. This is like Nirvana. She is enthralled in she decides right there and then she's going to be a pilot. The next thing we see her wearing the goggles of a pilot sitting at the table with her brother, they're eating breakfast and her brother just makes fun of her and says, girls cannot be pilots they can serve drinks and food in the cabin, but they are not the ones who should be flying the plane incomes, their father, and he essentially says whatever John Wants to be she can be solid she sets her mind to it. She could be anything that she chooses with this at last gun John has the upper hand and this sets up what is going to happen in the rest of the story. She's determined to be pilot. It is quite a journey for her to do this. We see as a child, she will do anything to watch planes to learn about planes to play with models. She's very into them. When. She becomes a young adult, she earns very good scores in school and she decides she wants to pilot school and she also knows this will not go over very well with their family through want her to get a college education they're not the wealthiest family and college education is something that is a privilege. In particular, her mother wants her to get a college education at her mother wants to have a traditional life she wanted to get married and have a family. Your father is a bit more forward thinking that. He is quite a woman's advocate at he understands what kind of impact will be on all women in India if gun jump does indeed for her dream and become a pilot. After much trying with support father, she decided that she's going to go to pilot school and she goes on an interview to get into the school educates coming up against barriers in order to do this whether it's qualifications have changed or the amount of money to get the degrees has changed after spending years of affiliate obligations in order to get into this program. It finally becomes clear that that is not through she's going to be able to go. She's pretty doubt about this yet next thing you know she's waking up in the morning and finds a sheet of newspaper next to her. She goes her father and asked him why he put his newspaper there. There's some kind of political issue that is being discussed in the paper and she doesn't understand what that's about. He opens up the page. There's a big advertisement asking women to apply to be an air force pilot here John Learns that sometimes the path to get to do what you want may not always look like you thought it would. So she goes into the program and she succeeds in moving forward to you becoming a pilot but there are a few areas where she is lacking in qualifications. Once again, she's put in all this work and she feels like she's failed again. But with her father's help, she gets to see beyond the barriers that she's coming across and comes up with some interesting ways to work around it so that she can qualify to be an air force pilot. So she goes through the rigor of getting her training and then she's ready for duty. At the location where she is sent to do her pilot training. There are no other women. There are no facilities for women. And the men don't know what do of her they don't know how to act around her. They just ended up kind of ignorance because that's the easiest thing for them to do. As a result she's feeling isolated. She's not getting her training hours in because none of the men WanNa fight with her and there are all kinds of excuses come up about why they can't do the work with her finally there is a military leader there who sees what is happening and he decides he's going to train her and she keeps meeting him where he is at. He's very impressed with her over time and she ends up becoming a rising star. It is not without hardship. She has to keep her eyes open everywhere. She looks. And the men seemed to be out to get her including the commander who is directly supervising her. Is One very important scene where she is finally at the top of power, she's fought so hard to get to this place with these other air force pilots when this commander essentially breaks her front of. While us, she has had it. She's tired of the way these men are treating her and she at last finds her voice and tells them no, this is her chance to say what she has to say and she lays out there what she sees is going on and she makes clear that is their loss that they are treating her this way and not taking advantage of the skills that she has to offer with this she opposite to leave. She's not sure she ever go back. She thinks hard and long about what she wants to do, and once again, her father is there to help mentor her he gives her a dose of reality and there is really wonderful seen. The way that he does it is essentially he paints a picture as to what does she want her to look like? Does she want to really have the life that her mother wanted for her the traditional women's life. were, is there something more? He grinned John clearly have a very special relationship. She can really rely on him. He gets her and she knows it. She feels really loved by him. He Menderes her tremendously really believes in her and interestingly. The brother and the father have a bit of a rocky relationship they struggle and the brother thinks that maybe gun is getting some extra. Extra, care and he doesn't understand why. He also thinks that the father may be a bit when it comes to John they can ultimately the father is putting gone John in harm's way and that he has a blind spot with regard to that. Woman Shawn Decides what she has to do. Not a surprise because we know this is based on real life and what is going to happen because she ends up doing work in the cargo war. Nothing something that I expect is probably part of dramatic license that was mentioned at the beginning of the movie is that when she is actually in a war zone, her brother happens to be there as well. This could have seemed a little bit hokey but I think it's actually a very wise decision because putting them just post to each other and having the brother witness. What she is doing helps really paint the story very clearly. We also get to see well, who was right was the father right or was the brother right in terms of what in terms of what engines capabilities are. Stretch of the picks up where the movie began gun is running to her helicopter and she is ready to go in help rescue the soldiers that have been wounded. And I'm going to leave it there. I'm not going to spoil what happened. But it will say what happens is important to gun gin and what happens in her career after that I really enjoy this movie. It was really inspiring. And personally, I love stories where we see a person who has to step outside their comfort sued in grow. And because she has his passion for flying, she's GonNa do anything she can to get to the goal that she is set for herself. I also love the fact that she had to be flexible about what her dream is going to look like she knew she wanted to fly originally she envisioned that she was going to fly airplanes probably commercial liners. and. The reality was she ended up being in the Air Force and flying helicopters. She also had a tremendous number of obstacles or come and with her father's help especially. She pretty much was able to do it, and often the way she did it was quite creative. What my favorite parts of the movie is when she goes into training to see if she can qualify to become an air force pilot. She proves himself to be smart. Shows herself to think creatively and have unique ways to deal with situations that there are put in. An is even quite a bit of humor in this section. The section allows her to be compared to other women who are also trying to become an air force pilot. One little snippet to look out for is there is a point where commander there is putting all the women through test and that test is having get up on a table in it's right by a big open window and he's telling them to jump. It is clear that if they jump out that window they are going to get injured. All of the women are complaining about this, it couldn't John comes with a creative solution are not going to share what it is just be on the lookout for. Something else I really appreciate about this movie is it really is about women and women's strength and what women are capable of, and it's not only that they're capable of doing a job that men can do but the capable of overcoming the limitations that others can place on them still proved themselves strong. In this movie, it seemed to me mostly to be drama, and yet there are some moments that are really comedic and to show that the director included some music that was very comedic and lighthearted when these situations happened. I thought that was a really interesting choice and I appreciate it because it helps lighten up some of the harder moments. Overall I. Felt this was well done. I didn't really find any holes Osha anything I had a little bit of an issue with the brother when he was in adult the first time we met him. In clear to me that he was indeed the brother. He had asked to dance. So I thought it might have been some kind of love interest or boyfriend. We hadn't yet seen a transition of how the brother was as a child to being more of an adult and as an adult he was very well developed adult. He clearly had been in the military and was very tough and it seemed odd to me in a way. I think I would have wanted to see some transitional version of the brother prior to that. Yet that is pretty minor. I felt John Kapoor did a great job as a lead actress. She was in just about every scene those tall order and I felt she did a very consistent job. Also, as I mentioned on the Internet movie database, it appears that she is a glamour queen per se in India, and she played very down to earth character who was not super glamorous. And I, found that refreshing. I have to say just been really impressed with a lot of the movies coming out of India these days. If. You've listened to my other podcast sessions. You may recall that I reviewed year ballet, which is another Indian movie that was just fantastic. and. I feel their storylines are really strong. And that is absolutely no exception with this movie. So. I would highly recommend this movie I. Think it's A. It's a great story you can get wrapped up in. I find myself just constantly wanting to see what was going to happen next how is she going to get out of a situation to make the most of his situation? So on a scale of one to ten ten being the most excellent movie. I really can't see any reason not to. I've been handing tens how rather liberally these days but I think there are some movies that really deserve them. In early August, there was an article by Jack Scharf in India wire and settled was credited need filmmaking experience John cleese says, it's odd most can't actor direct. Why haven't erected a lot I definitely have acting experience in writing experience and I know it's hard work. So. When a story is really told, well, I'm more likely to give it a ten because credit is due. Now Stay tuned for the next segment of the show and I'll be looking at the movie The sleepover after the break. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts now listen. And hear this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast. Our is here nothing less than podcast bliss with endless hours of podcast covered. From. News sports music fashion looking entertainment fantasy football, and so much more. So stop located around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to build that podcast is. Whatever it may be visit. WWW DOT JESUS MC podcast dot com follow us on facebook and twitter and download. Tombs soundcloud and Google play. Welcome to the third segment of the show I'm your host Elizabeth, Aaron. And I talked about the movie Saksena the cargo girl. In the last segment I'm now going to discuss the movie this sleepover. This movie came out on August twenty first of this year. So it is very recent. It is an hour and forty three minutes long. It is considered a family movie and it is an action adventure movie. And on a personal note, this will be takes place on Cape Cod in in Boston. And I am a new Englander from these places. So I really appreciate that these locations made an extra fun for me to watch the summary that Netflix's has of this movie is. Due if your parents are kidnapped by a crew of international thieves, you begin a wild overnight adventure complete with spy gear. This kind of captures what happens in the movie? When someone gets kidnapped usually it's against their will The mother was not necessarily kidnapped completely against her will. The Director of this movie is Trish See. And she won a grammy of all things for best short form music video for okay. Go here it goes again. It looks like a lot of her filmography based on Internet movie database is video. She did direct the movie, step up all in and directed pitch perfect three. Now, the mom in this movie is played by Mellon. Ackerman? Her character's name is Margo and she is a nominee for best supporting actress for the movie watchmen by the Academy of Science Fiction Fantasy. Horror Films, USA Other Mobile. She's been in include Harold. Kumar. Go to White Castle. Couples retreat. The giant mechanical man. into piece of, my heart. The Dad Ron is played by Ken. Marino. He has been nominated for Primetime Emmy Awards. Most recently for outstanding Short Format Live Action Entertainment Program for Children's Hospital and he's mostly been in television. He has appeared in episodes of Runako Mars fresh off the boat. And Black, Monday. In this movie stars Joe, Manganiello. You want best guest performance in a television series true blood at the Academy of Science Fiction Fantasy and horror films USA anyone for the same role break performance male. For the scream awards. He's also been in a lot of television including one tree hill how I met your mother and Big Bang Theory. Another actor WanNa give a shout out to is Harry Aspen. Wall. He happens to be a friend of an acquaintance of mine. So is great to see that he was listed on the cast in this movie he plays Baxter or the Pizza Guy. He's been in quite a few short movies, but he has been in the feature films, the actor and the wedding and the child actors had major roles. In this movie sadie Stanley has been in a bunch of television including dead to me and the Goldbergs. She plays the daughter clancy in this movie, Maxwell Simpkins who plays the son and Kevin in this movie has also been quite a bit of television. He's been in the show's Bizarre Bark Kim Hush Chappel in the mighty ducks create Tino who plays the kids friend meme has been in the TV series Game Shakers and Mr Iglesias and lastly Lucas Jay who plays Lewis has been in peer Genius for House and Mary Happy would ever all television series This movie has a rather elaborate setup at the beginning and I think it works quite well in the opening, Kevin. Finch. The Sun in the finch family is in front of a classroom talking about his family. He has a vast imagination in sharing a story about his grandfather that looks quite like the plot of the movie. The Martian, his teacher calls him on this and eventually reports to his parents that his imagination is running away and that it's important that he come back to Earth in give a more grounded story. Now, this is a set for the fact that something wild is about to happen this weekend. And it could be that Kevin's idea of Maj nation is not so far from the truth after all. Shall we after Kevin gives his talk. He goes into the restroom. He believes he's alone and he does an entire dance routine. It's really fun in unbeknownst to him. There actually is someone hiding in a stall filming the whole thing on their cell phone. Next, way get to meet clancy more close up. So clancy finch is known as kind of NERD. And is particular guy she likes and it seems like he likes her he's having a big party and ask a number so that he can tell her how she can make it. There was she doesn't have a phone her mother won't let have one and for her this is pretty humiliating. After this weekend to see her in band practice and she is a cellist she's very talented. Enter teacher is encouraging her to apply for Berkeley, music, Summer Program in Boston, which is a big deal. But as good as a player she is she seems to be lacking confidence in being able to do this and she's pretty scared to perform in front of people. At School, we also get to know a little bit about the mother Mrs Finch happens to be a monitor at lunchtime. And Kevin Her son is being chased by these bullies. One of whom is the one who took the video footage and is teasing him about it. Well his mother protects him since him off and she has a few choice words with this group of. She puts them in their place. We don't know at this point that she is deep Kevin's mother. But what we do find out is that his mother doesn't quite appear to be a typical mother. And at the end of the school day Kevin and clancy and our friend meme pile into the mini van that the dad drives Mr Finch is really kind of funny Dorky Guy. He is a pastry chef and he has these little clamps that he uses to exercise his fingers so that he is more powerfully able to need go. And Man is clancy's best friend and very close to the family, and she's the one who seems to have street smarts. She can work her way around anybody adult or child. All of these characters are really well painted from the start. So we have a pretty good sense of what we're going to be expecting from them. And a little bit. Later, we meet Lewis us. He is the one who's going to be sleeping over hence the title, the sleepover. was has a very over protective mother and he also has a bit of bladder problem when it comes to sweeping through the night. And his mother further embarrasses him more than helps him when it comes to this problem in terms of the sleepover happening. Now during this night of the sleepover something unexpected happens the house gets broken into by as it turns out people who were in the past life of Mrs Finch? The MOM. To people come to threaten Mrs van Mr Finch and they're going to take them hostage but it doesn't happen without Mrs finches ultimate permission. There's essentially given an ultimatum but MRS finch agrees. However, before she gets knocked out and she knows what's going to happen to her she leaves some clues. Bonds has happening Lewis happens to be in the bathroom and he picks out an unbeknownst to everyone. He gets a glimpse of all the action that's happening when the parents are taken. Things are safe. He runs Intel's tells all the other kids. And shortly, after whether tried to figure out what they're gonNA do and how they're going to find their parents somebody comes into the home. It's a man named Henry and he identifies himself as a US marshal. Not, trusting him, the kids have managed to tie him up and I do it in a very special way and I'm just going to give you a heads up to look out for it because it's really funny. Meanwhile, as Henry tries to tell them more about what's going on with the situation. Revealing that they don't necessarily know everything about their mother and that there are some surprises. The kids find the clues at the mother had left and they start piecing things together and being led from one clue to the next. And Day decide to set out on an adventure to find their parents and get them back safe and sound. This adventure involves coin to a number of different places including storage area, the party that clancy had wanted to go to in the first place. It involves some secret passageways and some travel. And in all of these cases, each of the kids ends up having to face something that they're fearful of and overcome comet it or at least try. Meanwhile as the kid story plays out, we are toppled back and forth between Air Story and parent story. Ron Mr Finch Gorens more about his wife than I ever knew before. She has some secrets in her closet. She, it turns out was quite a talented criminal. I woke up away what kind of crime she used to do But with being taken hostage, she is brought to meet up with her old fiance. This was news to Ron. And there's a whole scenario about how this threesome ends up working things out amongst each other. That's really funny Ron. Also doubting whether y. Really loves him. It's driven home to him that perhaps he was part of a cover up for her. We were kidnapped because she's an expert at what she does. And there's this one crying that's a creme de la creme kind of crime. That they want her to help them pull off. It will take place that night in. Boston. So we see these two parallel stories, we see the children making their way towards Boston, and then we see Mrs Finch and her husband Viansa in this group of criminals also making their way towards Boston and the question is, are they going to indeed meet up in if they do or when they do what will indeed transpire? This movie does keep you on your toes always wondering what is going to happen next there are a lot of surprises in so many ways this is an action adventure movie and it is a mystery and everything is done in a comedic way. So there's a lot of fun here. I thought the acting was quite good there times it was over the top but it is a comedy and I felt that it was not necessarily uncalled for. Some of the points were not super believable. For example, the US marshal that came into their home that the fact that the kids were able to tie him up and that he wasn't able to get free. That was a little farfetched for me. They were a few other things like that as well. There is also some fight scenes and these move pretty slowly by comparison of a lot of action adventure movies but this does involve children and I felt that was a reasonable thing to. So most things are pretty positive. There are some things however that I do take issue with. I think one point of this movie is to show that there are strong women and Mrs. Finch is certainly one of them. She has this sort of hidden past where she. Was a successful criminal. But I just think it's too bad that she had to be criminal to show up and be this. Cool Mom. In some ways I felt this movie was trying to take the theme of the hit TV, show the Americans and turn it on its head so that it was more geared towards children. I don't think it's a great message for children to think that may be underneath it. Their mom could be criminal later in the movie. The MOM does things like hot wire a car that she doesn't want her children to do and she tells him don't ever do this. I think it's in poor taste to have a mother actually do something that is not something that she would want her children to do. Expect children get to see their parents do certain things that show their humanity and they're not perfect. But. This is a choice that this mom makes and I think it pushes the envelope a little bit too far. Also. Wants a mom sees her ex fiance and they get together. She sits on the couch next to him as opposed to with her husband who's sitting across from them. And I felt that she should have shown her husband some level of support there. There's also a point, Kevin, and Louis are playing with weapons and they are not supervised. And some not so good things happen as a result they didn't get hurt but they could have and I don't think it's a good idea to show anybody any children playing with any kinds of weapons. I don't think this movie drove home. The point that playing with these weapons is really dangerous the weapons due too dangerous things, but it was done in a comedic way. And I felt that that was irresponsible. There's also a point where we see clancy drive a car, and she doesn't have her license yet. In some ways, you could say she's taking after her mom, but that's not the kind of thing you want a child to take after. Something else that I didn't completely by is that there are clues that are left and the kids seem to stumble upon the answers to these clues with hardly any work. Once in a while, something might take a little bit longer, but then it happened upon what the solution was. On this happened way too easily in my book it wasn't very believable. It did move the story along quickly and being a comedy. Maybe there's some leeway there. Is. Certainly did feel like this movie was trying to pack an awful lot into a short amount of time. And based on that for production reasons, they probably had to make it happen that way. Still it was a little bit in left field for me. I'm role I felt this was a fun ensemble cast. If other story was a fun story Oh, how interesting things happened? And I was kept on my toes. and. No children seeing this are really smart. They know that this is not real but I do think on certain levels. Some of the messages that came across in this movie are just not very positive for children and that should definitely be taken into consideration if it is going to be a movie that scene with the entire family and kids should be protected I think definitely not to see this movie alone I think it'd be helpful for parents to supervise and to explain. About the dangers of weapons not driving with a license, some of these things that came up in the movie just to be sure that they're appropriate essages given. So I would recommend this movie but with some caution. On. A scale of one to ten ten being the most excellent movie. I would rank as a six. It definitely felt like a kids movie and as a result as an adult watching it, I did not feel super involved enthralled the way I think I would if I were a child. If, I were child I. Think I probably would have felt like, wow how cool is that to Mama's interesting history end to get involved in this big adventure At WanNa live through that Icaria sleep. But the adult in me certainly is questioning, what would a child need to see in order for them to live through something vicariously feel special. Does it have to be something that is crime oriented were breaking the rules oriented. I think there's a time and a place for the rules to be broken. And when it was modeled in this comedy, the way that it was I think it should be second guessed. Stay tuned for the final segment of the show. When are we sharing my thoughts on the movie night comes on. TV has changed over time streaming has become the new norm. That's why golden state media concepts television podcasts dives headfirst to the world court cutting wants to be on the lube of what's hot in Netflix or if it's not a preference what about original shows in Hulu, we've got you covered, join us as we fill the blank and talk about movies two streep and what show you should be binge. This is a golden state media concepts television podcast. Welcome to the final segment of this show. I'm your host was Aaron and in the last segment I talked about the movie sleepover. I'm now going to discuss the movie night comes on this movie came out in two thousand eighteen but it is new on Netflix. Just this past week August twenty seventh has arrived. It is rated TV MA meeting it's for mature audiences because of language is an hour twenty, six minutes long it's drama and deals with social issues. This would be is a CO winner of the next innovator award at the Sundance Film Festival. And the Netflix's description of this movie is a teen fresh out of juvenile detention tries to rescue a sister from foster care in order to exact revenge on their father for their mother's murder goose has won a number of other awards. It won the acting price for the Chevy Shirley Festival and this is for the two main actresses dominic fish back in tatum Maryland Hall. It also won the jury prize at the Deauville Film Festival for the director Trudell Spiro. And it won the audience award at the Lighthouse International. Film, Festival for best narrative feature. It actually won the jury award for that same festival as well, and it was the winner for the best first feature film at the Melbourne Queer Film Festival. And in fact, it has won other awards at other film festivals as well. So it is quite the film festival winner. The Director of this movie is Jordana Spiro. She Co. wrote this movie with Jelica one do. She has a number of directing awards. She won best director for short film at the downtown Film Festival Las Angeles for the movies skin and this film also won best short film for the Fort Myers Film Festival, and she's also won looks like an acting award outstanding female lead in a comedy series for my boys for the Gracie Allen. Awards. And while she's mostly known for her acting, she has directed three short films before doing night comes on, which is her first feature film. The main character in this movie is Angel Lemere and dominate fish back is character who plays her she's also in another big Netflix's movie right now out just this year called project power. She's been quite a bit of television. She has been seen in episode of the Americans Blue Bloods show me a hero, and she was also in the movie the hate you give. Tatum Maryland Hall plays a sister. Abby. And it appears this was her first acting role. She has also since been in Wu Tang, an American saga, one episode of that TV series. This movie has a lot going on and it's a walk is going on under the surface. The main character angel is getting out of Juvenile Hall and she has to make her way in the world. One challenge a lot of movies is to figure out how to share information with the audience without being heavy handed about it. In real life information is not always stated. Little bits and pieces of information tend to be scattered throughout time. This is how we learn about people. Sometimes, you could know someone for years and then you hear a story about them and your view of them completely changes new had no idea after all this time that there was something more to them. This happens all the time and so it movie to be convincing. It's important to paint a picture in this particular way it's more natural. I think it's fascinating with this movie. The way that a lot of information was given right up front in a way that is potentially seen as heavy-handed, but it didn't come across that way at all. Angels meeting with a judge. Some other support people probably aware and a social worker. The rules are not only here, but they're talking about her case about what she's done how she ended up in juvenile. Hall. What her family's history is we find out that she was in foster care for a long time and not always very good situations. And we also know that she doesn't have a place to go to stay in issues a sister who still in foster care who's younger than her. And throughout the time that this case is being discussed, the camera is frequently on. Angel. We get to see what her reaction is to hearing all this information about her as if in some ways, she's not even sitting there, but everybody's talking around her. and. There's nothing personal in what is being said, and yet every piece is very personal. So an angel gets out of Juvenile Hall, she has to figure out how she's going to survive. The first thing she wants to do is check her phone which she has not had on her for however long. She's been Indiana Hall which I believe was at least a year and she ends up going into some stores. Asif anyone has a charger. This is our first glimpse of how she deals with the outside world and it's very fascinating. It's clear that she comes from the School of hard knocks. By the way this is based in Philadelphia. So for anyone from the. This movie might hold some special value for you. She finally does get her phone charged and you think that the first thing she'd want to do is figure out exactly where she's going to stay. She sent her than suction that she may be staying at her girlfriends, but she's not able to reach her. So she goes to a house and I. It seems like maybe this is another foster home or it's not completely clear. What we learn is through some connections, she's meeting up with someone who sells weapons. And she is determined to get revenge on her father and she wants to get a gun do that. I won't go into the details of what transpires I will say during the interaction with this man, there is definitely some things that are upsetting that happen. It's hard as the scene is the acting is great. Moment. By moment, we're not sure what's going to happen next. Who's going to up the ante? There's a lot of Tarak ways that are happening. It's really spot on acting. And then we see her meet up with parole officer. And he has some demands on her and lets you know that he doesn't have a lot to do with her if she doesn't want his help. Again, this is no longer accidentally acted to percents seem there's a lot at stake. The pro officer does a great job of towing the line. Letting her know where she stands in the world what he can do for her if she will accept it. And we get to see how lost she. Is. The place where she has a lifeline that she can get the kind of support and help she needs. Yet seems to really doesn't want to be tied down to any kinds of rules and being on parole. It's all about following the rules. Eventually, she does connect with her girlfriend and she thought this was the person that she was going to be able to live with. Things had changed since she was in juvenile hall. While Angel is understanding, she doesn't know how to really look out herself. Feeling so rejected, she just goes off and does her own thing tries to survive on her own and ends up in a situation. That is not what apparent WanNa see a child get into at the very least in terms of having a place to sleep at night the next day she goes to visit her little sister who's in foster care. And foster care is not ideal. The children living in his foster home seemed to some degree to be neglected. And this is where we see Angel Street smarts. She's able to ask her little sister key questions to help her understand what her sister's predicament is. She's actually quite markedly. She seems to be about. Older than her sister. Is enough that she could take care of her and in fact, she says, she gets her feet on the ground in his more settled maybe she actually will be able to do that. But one thing that she does try to do is keep getting information about her father. She wants to find out where he is because she has the gun and she wants to seek some level of revenge on him. Nobody seems very willing to give her that address. And this includes her little sister. Says she can't give her the address, but she can show her where their father is. And she says that he is now near the ocean. And the ocean is a very special place for them is where they always spent birthdays and also at the very beginning of the film there is voiceover with Angel speaking about what the waves and a sound of the ocean waves meant to her mother and how it was something that was soothing for her. Because Angel. Knows what she has in store for the father. She doesn't want her little sister coming with her. Budget changes her mind because she has to figure out where the father is in the first place. So they settled on his decision to go to. The Ocean A few things happen along this journey. And the one that I'm going to speak about I think it's pretty important scene. And it's one to look out for in case you do see this movie. One thing. The Abbey little sister has a knack for is making friends. She just seems to super naturally be social with people and they just like her right off the bat. So she meets a few girls on the bus that they are taking to the ocean and befriends them. And is a point where they all get off at a bus stop. In Abby Angel take a little bit too long at the rest stop. And they missed the bus but the other girls are there because they live in that area. So they go with them to one of the girls homes. At one of the girls in this group is a black girl and so our angel and abby and it is her home that they go to. This home is definitely in a wealthy neighborhood. And what is home looks like is a mansion. Compared to what abby and angel have experienced. is a point where angel gets to see this wall in the house covered with pictures of this family, and it is such. A great contrast to the life is that she and abby half. There's a lot of juice in the scene as we get to see the contrast between these lives for the audience paints an amazing perspective. I know for me it opened up this idea of what could be possible for an abbey if their life had been so different if they still had their mother, if their father hadn't been charged with murder. And it was palpable to me how angel and abby felt in this home. Got To leave it to you to see the film to get the rest of the story. But. What I will say is the questions continue to be asked around. Is, Angel GonNa Change Her ways. is she going to connect more with her sister? will she finding her father and while she get their revenge that she thinks that she wants? In many ways this is a great movie. It definitely deals with shadow on a dark side. Another important factor in this movie is that Angel is released two days before her eighteenth birthday and once she's eighteen. She is responsible for life going forward. So the question throughout the movie as to whether she is going to grow up enough and take responsibility. For her life moving forward. The acting this movie was riveting so many places. I really believe these two young women were sisters. I felt angels character did an amazing job of coming across as a young innocent young woman. We know that her past shows that there's so much more to her than just what she appears on the outside. Is She has a lot of anger. And it makes much sense. Her father murdered her mother is completely changed the course of her life and her sisters but how she deals with that anger. Is She. GonNa keep trying to get away with things. Does, she want to go to prison where in some regard it might be. Safe at least you won't have to provide for herself. She will be provided for and yet next time because she'll be eighteen, it won't be juvenile hall it will indeed be. Prison. And will she want a fate that may be similar to what her father was? This movie asks a questions and I just loved how all the characters seemed to hold these histories so well. And they communicated well and they had nuance. Each character had some unique characteristics. It was all very believable. It will say there was a lot of swearing in this movie. And I guess that was realistic. I'm not so sure that it was realistic for Abbey's character. Seeing as her older sister was where a lot it is not surprising that she'd at least WanNa take after her. Their armaments also get to see the tremendous shame that is attached to these two young women. As a result of the history of their family. What happened to their family was in the news it was common knowledge in a lot of people. The information about their family could be found on the Internet and there's an incident where it is indeed in this case, a desperate situation for angel in particular who feel super sensitive about this history. The. Older one. She's the one with the true memory of what happened. The story that is told the script, it's all very tight. I didn't find any holes in it. Is a profoundly sad story. Each scene is crafted really well. Most scenes are between two people and you get to see them navigate the personalities. And all scenes do a great job of revealing information and have some kind of high stakes for each character that is allowed to pull off in i. feel this dome did it really well? Know something that is interesting about this movie, I didn't have a big emotional response to it. I think I'm pretty overwhelmed by all that was going on and all that was going lander surface. It's like so much was going on for these characters lives. If they themselves were living life in somewhat of a days. In most of my attention to this movie was around what was going to happen next. and. I think it's incredible that this movie is under an hour and a half. Because it felt like I had been drought through is few days with Angel He's exhausting days she's trying to figure out. And she's at the pinnacle of the direction. Her life is going to go next based on the decisions that she's about to make. Unlike the more comedic movies that I watched for this podcast today. This is definitely a deep movie. It's also a serious movie. It deals with tough themes from economic liability to racism. To mental health issues to coming of age to broken families, it just touched on so many important points. This movie had some similar themes to the movie Goldie which I had which I reviewed in my July twenty first podcast. So I would recommend this movie. Do keep in mind that there is squad apart stuff in this movie at the same time I think maybe because it's done with younger people, there is also a kind of innocence that's connected to it. That makes it a little more digestible. On a scale to ten ten being most excellent movie. To what this be is setting out to achieve I give it a ten. Considering this movie is just a handful of actors and that Dominic fish back is just about every single scene. I think this movie is just really impressive. I hope you enjoy hearing about the movies work which I gave a four. Goon John Sex Cena the cargo girl which I gave a ten and sleepover which I gave us six and night comes on which I gave a ten. Here's to these films offering you some inspiration. I'm your host Elizabeth. Aaron signing out. Thank you for listening to the GMC movie podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I would like to ask you to please remember to subscribe to the show in right. A Nice review that really helps us. 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295- Luck vs. Skill in Investing with Jake Taylor

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295- Luck vs. Skill in Investing with Jake Taylor

"Support for this podcast comes from goldman sachs through launch with gs a five hundred million dollar investment strategy grounded in the belief that teams with diverse leadership drives stronger returns goldman sachs remains committed to facilitating connections and increasing access to capital for women black. Latino ex and other diverse entrepreneurs learn more at gs dot com slash launch with g. s. Everybody welcome to the invested podcast. I'm danielle town. And i'm lucky to be joined again today by the investor and author. Jake taylor if you missed the first half of our interview go back and listen to the one from last week because it introduces all of the stuff that we're about to talk about. Jake taylor is the ceo of farnam street investments. He's the host of the popular show value after hours. He's also the host of a series called five good questions which is a great author interview series. He is also an author himself so many also. But that's how things work in life. He wrote the rebel alligator which is a fantastic book. We've talked about it. A ton on this podcast. If you haven't ready at go read it and he lives in folsom california jake. Thanks for coming back on. Thanks for having me back daniel so we are just going to jump right into it and what we're talking about here is your paradigm of investment hygiene. Which is another way of thinking about investing practice investing process how we as investors can set up our space. Our environment ourselves to make better investing decisions every time. Really right. that's right. I think that's you just hit on a really key point as that. Having a repeatable process is hugely important. One just because it's most likely to produce good results but to like any good scientific study you need to have controlled in the environment. Control variables And test like you know one thing at a time. Otherwise you don't know why something changed or not so. Having a repeatable process allows us to be much more scientific in our approach to to improving and understanding how our process is helping or hurting us. Yeah absolutely and i think as we were saying at the end of the last episode data is the key to that. Data's the way that we can really find out if we have been improving or not because our subjective experiences usually that we're fantastic. Everything and cruelly. The only thing that screwed up was some external factor. So i've been thinking about this one. In in kind of different contexts. Lately and supposedly eighteen percent of of the universe is at the mass of the universe is visible and the other eighty two percent is probably like dark matter or dark energy. So there's this entire part of the universe that we can't even really see and i think that that same proportion may exist for what you might call like the dark matter of your investment process. There are all these data that we could be capturing about ourselves that we don't at the moment because it's kind of a pain and it may be it's hard to figure out So instance let's say that you you reject you don't want to buy a company and you reject it okay great. Do you keep track of how that went on to do like how you know. What was the opportunity cost of you not buying that most. Don't do that. I torture myself constantly. I would say that you're in the minority doing that Now do this daniel. Do you do you code the reason why you rejected that company. I have never written it down. But i know why i remember why at least i think i remember why so. Maybe i'm wrong about that. So that's i think are filtering process. How do we decide what becomes goes into our portfolio or not can be dramatically improved and informed by track ing y. We rejected something. So we don't you know you can calibrate your filtering. Based on looking at the things he rejected a why. And how did that go on to do. So let's talk about like a practical example. Warren buffett famously. Has this this basket on his desk. That says too hard. And it's like that's the too hard pile right. You put things in here there too hard all right so we're going through and we're looking at best man ideas when we go. Oh man this is complicated. This is too hard. I'm gonna put it my heart pile good for me. I'm like warren buffett right okay. that's that's fine. And i think knowing your circle of competence is obviously very important. However when you're just starting out especially how do you know if you're being like a little bit too lazy about putting things in the too hard pile and what if you were. You could see that boy. Everything i put in my to pile has done really well. Maybe i need to dig just a little bit deeper under the surface and add some more things into my circle of competence and my results might dramatically improve. We don't know that about are. We don't know what the cost of our filtering is unless we actually keep track of it. Yeah absolutely and that's actually exactly my experience. I think of particularly. I was talking recently about Missing out on amazon was like you know such a classic thing to say and the other one is. I've talked a lot about is missing lululemon which i was so close to and i just had really just started learning about investing and i just wasn't confident enough in my own decisions and i think looking back. That was actually probably the right choice. Ace from a learning perspective from a like was. I really able to make good decisions. I don't really know probably not you know but that companies done insanely well and i was right and my reasons were good and so it's one that tortures me. So if i and i do have notes on on that one and why. I liked it and everything. So yeah i don't know. I often debate if mistakes of omission are really mistakes or if they're just good learning opportunities. That's torture you like chinese water torture drip drip drip on your head. They condemn torture you. I think one of the problems is that like anything with human experience. The bigger and louder the data point the more that it sticks out in our mind is something like amazon. Where it's gone up. You know whatever hundred x may be from when you looked at it. yeah that hurts and like that is like big ringing data point that says god. I really messed up in this classification of widen i invest in that you know whatever. The criteria was that rare criteria. Were that you use to reject it why you do that. Well how let's look at all of the bases. All of the data points of why he rejected for that specific reason and actually survey that entire data set. Because there's probably a bunch of things in there maybe that went two zero that you're not even keeping track of that That you know you have to know what that entire portfolio did and how what that looks like. As opposed to the one big data point that sticks out in your mind. That's not a good way. Probably for us to assess just sort of like anecdotal remembering like man. I bought this one right. Like you're going to skew you're going to skew. What history actually happened if you only use anecdotal data that sticks in your head. I think that's exactly right. We notice the ones that are giant loud misses and we don't even remember the ones that have steadily faded away into the night and if we probably bought all of those we would be doing really badly portfolios. That's exactly right and it's very hard to know that unless you actually keep track of it. Is that what you call signal versus noise on the matrix. Is that related there with mental the external and mental quadrant No i mean. I would call that more internal mental like i know like i wanna know if the filters that i have in my head and i'm using or helping you're hurting me and so like for me. A very common one is Let's say like leverage too much debt. The company i'm i am conservatively wired in such a way that like i'm very hesitant to take on a company that has a lot of leverage. I can't tell you for certain whether that helps or hurts my results yet. Like i don't have enough. Data built up in that in that that usage case. Eventually i will though. Because i'm keeping track of that and eventually be able to tell you as an entire reference class highly levered companies that i rejected helped me get better results. Or maybe the converse. And it's just as likely i'm not sure actually hurt my results like i was being too conservative and i. I don't know the answer to that yet but it. I think it's every single reason why you would reject a company should be put to the test of whether it actually helped or hurt you over the long term and then therefore make adjustments after that like. That's how you learn. Yeah that's the only way to learn the only way to make intelligent adjustments. Otherwise we're doing based on what we feel what we remember so tell me then about signal versus noises as the external plus mental quadrant. Well that's that's really you know. How do you spend your time like know. What are you allowing to blast your senses. Swith right and it's very easy to you know i. I like to think about as sort of food related and you know going on an information diet And not not eating too much of the junk food which you kind of know and you're eating junk food right But it feels good right and it's it's it's interesting and maybe it's a little controversial but it's not gonna help you create a better investment process and i think if you were really diligent You would actually keep track of your time and how you spend it in the investment process. Like how much time did i spend reading. Sec filings versus. How much time did i spend cruising twitter for you. Know an investment someone else's thesis on it So external and mental is the stuff coming in the twitter the social media all the way down to the sec filings. All the information that comes from the outside about what you're looking at and then the internal versus mental is really the structure in the process. The go through to analyze that information would that be fair right. Yeah how you manipulate all of that information. Really all of that data to create information that you then act on so i think then that brings us to the physical and the external which is the environment that you have for your investing process and this is a hugely fascinating area for me because i find my environment so influential that when i first started learning about investing new new had never met. You never heard about any of this. That was the very first thing that i thought about. What kind of environment do. I need to even be able to start this project. How do you what do you look for. How is your own. Investing environment set up. Yeah i think this is very idiosyncratic to everyone. You have your own individual environment that is probably optimized for you and i would encourage you know just like health stuff to be self experimenter in this this field trying things out seeing how it feels you feel sharp. Do you feel distracted so for me. And this was much easier. Pre work from home and doing home schooling with kids Which has really impacted a lot of my ability to do like sustained long-term deep work on home interesting. Yeah i feel opposite anyway. Well no my office is is very quiet. And it's i'm surrounded by but berkshire and warren buffett paraphernalia and for me that is just this constant reminder of what would buffet be working on right. Now what would he think is important. What would What would he be telling me that. I should do at this just this juncture and trying to have that sort of conversation with one of your heroes. Even though he's not there if you read enough about someone you probably have a pretty good idea what he'd be telling you at this point so i tried to like. I can't hide from warren right. He's he's always around one of those actually like you know like become fat headline posters like the life-size posters. Okay so i have one of those. But it's tough it's head and it's like it's probably two feet by two feet and it's up on the wall and he's he's staring at me all day. No you do not have sure jake. That's that's another level. You have a giant poster of buffets head and you have it so that his eyes are staring right at you. It's not so intense directly at me but he's he's watching watching he's watching. That's what i was just gonna go. Is he benevolently watching you or is he sort of a nanny schoolmaster type of way. What depends on. If i've been a naughty boy or nine could go either way co either way. What else is in your investing environment So i'd also like to have a lot of books around partly for reference material. If something that i want to like look up again real quick. I know the book is and And i just like being around books. Such just like my little sickness that i have The smell of a paper book. Yeah i i can't get into the reader at this point i've tried and there's just something for me about like physically writing in the margin alia of a book it just sticks better into my mind so i i I hate it. Because i feel like god. I'm trashing the environment by buying so many books and you can have it on an ear reader and it's you know but to me it's just not the same experience but i couldn't agree more. I'm also trying to get into it. Because i don't live in the. Us i live in a non english speaking country. The best easiest way for me to get english books is online. And it's amazing that i can just press a button and get a book but that means most of my books. Now are on my kindle and it's just not it doesn't pull me in the same way and it's actually something i truly struggle with and have been thinking about in my investing practice because there are many investing books that i just haven't really gotten to because they don't pull me in the same way i think there's something to be said about the medium and how it will how how much like gravity it has in kind of penetrating into your brain and for me the reader you know kendall doesn't have the same penetration as a physical book. I totally agree. I don't know why i don't know why either. But i completely agree. And there's something about being able to write in the book an underlying it that highlighting with my little pen on the screen just doesn't fulfill in the same way so yeah we need to come up with some sort of solution to that which is probably just by the paper box and go with it. There's a certain point where you have to go. Is this something about myself. That i need to work on changing or is this something that is just how it is and i need to find a way to make it work and i think we re run into that problem in many areas and this is just one small example where you gotta make the decision. Well i err on the side of buying the book physical form unfortunately all right so. I want to hear more about your environment. I love hearing about people's how they set up their their space. So you've got the buffet in the munger stuff. You've got books everywhere. What about like mementos photographs to have stuff that remind you of wire there while you're investing what you keep around. Yeah i mean. I have some family type of photos on the desk which is a little bit of a reminder of like you know. What are you trying to do here you know. What are you building And also to the kind of long-term What do you want your legacy to be and to me like my legacy is is in that photo typically so that's a good reminder but Other things i mean. I have in the office. There are three different couches. There's three three rooms in our while. There's now more than three rooms in the office but the almost a couch every single room. And there's kind of a joke in the value world about like taking a lot of naps and i. I don't actually take many naps every once in a while. That'll happen but sitting on the couch and working like reading a book and taking notes on it i found to be I'm able to just get into it more than i am sitting at a desk. I think what it is is having the electronic anywhere near me whether it's my phone or laptop or desktop. Whatever it is is just like this little like niggling distraction in the back of your mind and it just takes like. Let's say like five percent of your cpu cycles and is sorta like takes them away from you right So not having those around. I you know like abstinence is much easier than moderation it when it comes to electronics. Not having them near put them in the other room. Yeah just stay away from him And then they then you can really like get deep into what it is that you're supposed to be working on. I think They've done these studies about multi tap asking and like we are terrible at it like it's not we can't even do it right. We were actually just like doing one task at a time in in. We don't do it in parallel we do a poor job on that little bit and then we switched to this and do a poor job and we switch back. We're not good at multitasking. Even though we think that we are and we say that we are It's it's not borne out by by the research. So being cognizant of how do you spend your time with with your task and single tasking and doing deep work. The other thing too is the timing of when you work so there's this idea that And i've definitely found this to be true like for myself. But i am much more productive on very deep important work writing in earlier in the morning and then in the afternoon. I'm kind of not really good for much of anything. And what what the research. Some of the research. I've seen talks about is. It's not so much energy because you do get sort of an energy rebound in the afternoon it. The better term is actually vigilance. So you have the vigilance to stay on task for a longer period of time typically early in the morning so if you have to do you know very deep work. You have higher vigilance early in the morning now. Conversely vigilance isn't always a good thing. If you want to be creative and you know thinking outside the box and having like these like making these big connections you actually need a more loose kind of diffused. Mind than you do like this. Very narrowly focused mind so i tend to structure more creative work and like meetings and when when more creativity is called for in the afternoon. When my my vigilance is low but my energy has kind of rebounded and so trying to match the type of work that needs to be done with when my my brain and my energy levels and my You know how i'm predisposed to be will will fit together. Well how how much have you experimented around that. Was it obvious to you that your best early in the morning or did you have to try to figure that out. I don't you know it could be like there could be a strong placebo effect here as well like i'm willing to grant that but just the idea that if you knew that you did better work in the morning and you started doing that i think it would be sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. Yeah i. I don't think it's that i think it's it's probably that i mean there's evidence in you. Put it in the article that we have circadian rhythms and different people have different circadian rhythms. And some people have that early morning vigilant. I love that word vigilance. And for other people it comes late at night and And sometimes it changes over the course of a life to which is something that you know. What's interesting i. I've seen some updated research on that. Actually recently and it might help that. That actually might not be true. What yeah so. What the experiment. That they've done is that People who think that they're night owls they take them and they like they take them camping and like where there's no Like external light in no artificial. Yeah artificial light and they turn into morning people qualcomm. We believe in staying connected and you can see us wherever five g is helping transform telemedicine supporting remote education empowering mobile. Pc's the invention ages here. Learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention age really. So i like a lot of the night. Al thing might actually be that. Just it's artificial light. That's kinda messed with their circadian rhythms. And that that if you put them in a more natural environment they they convert over to to being more traditional sorta like peak morning and then But yeah so it's it's so original research might not been. It might have been tainted by by modern world of of artificial light. I'm sure i mean aren't we all tainted by modern world artificial light in the evening like crazy. That's so interesting. I i have thought probably way too much about what times are better for me. At what kinds of activities. And i find that well i mean my main trouble is that everyday seems so different that it's hard for me to feel like i'm really having a proper baseline level of experimentation on which i can compare to two days or three different days or three different weeks But i think. I am better same thing first thing in the morning. I have kind of like mental space in a weird way to like get tasks done sort of individual like right the emails and pay the bills and figure out my to do list. And if i if i leave those things for later i just don't do them like i just don't and then the creative stuff but i feel like is also really great first thing in the morning so it's kind of like everything is great first thing in the morning and i just sort of fall off as the day goes so i don't know what happens. Have you experimented with the pomodoro method. Yeah i have. I don't like it at all. I think okay one weirdo. Who doesn't like it. The pomodoro method is when you have a timer and you set it for twenty or twenty five minutes right. Roughly like relatively short period. And then you take a short break five to ten minutes and you go back for another twenty twenty five minutes short break again. Repeat that about four times and then you take a longer break about like half an hour maybe an hour and the short working periods. I find like. I'm just getting into a task when the thing tells me to take a break so then i'm like okay. Great i'll take a break and then five minutes later tells me to start working again and my reaction is screw you timer. I'm not going back to work. I just started taking a break so it has worked for about one cycle. Which i guess means. It didn't work at all. And i've tried it over. And over. And i keep downloading timers because everybody tells me it works so well and i just i don't know i need longer periods of time. Yeah maybe try that. Move it up to like forty minutes or something and i found this especially with writing a lot like the first you know thousand words and the first fifteen twenty minutes is just like a struggle and there's nothing coming out it's garbage. Yeah and you just have to keep writing and eventually the flow kind of starts again and and then before you know it like two hours went by and like oh. I've got like one hundred words in here. That aren't that bad. Yeah yeah and if you had taken a break after twenty minutes. Or at. Least if i had i would never come back to get to the point. Where a where something good would have come out but i feel exactly the same actually about investing research which to me is also like it takes me a little bit kind of get into it and i'm sort of like what am i even reading and then half an hour. I'm like okay. i've got. I've got what's going on here. I can start to form some thoughts around it. I think what we're we're all looking for. Is that that flow state where you know time feels like it goes by fast and you you know you're at that edge of sort of feeling challenged and you're like you're learning new things but it's not so hard that you feel totally overwhelmed by it and that's very satisfying place to live if you can. You can do that. Yeah yeah so. We've talked about so much about all these different ways of creating a really good clean investment hygiene. Do you find it easy to follow all the time. Now that you've created this this framework for yourself. That should work if you follow it. Do you find it easy to follow it or is it a struggle sometimes. Well it's i mean it's definitely a struggle. The said like work work from home is is hard and i can't sugar coat it it's difficult But you know this is where i think the growth mindset comes in and is really important because there is no perfection. There's always room for improvement. So you know. I'm trying to just get a little bit better and have that relentless forward even if it's very small incremental progress and that's that is that's compounding taking effect there's i think there's a mental investment process compounding. That can happen over long periods of time of just making little little gains And i think you can't any one day. See the difference but over a long period of time it turns into something very meaningful. So if i have a setback it's okay like get back on the horse back to doing what you know is right. You know you're gonna make mistakes such as what happens. You're gonna you're gonna fall down even in your process a little bit but you know that in general you're heading in the right direction and getting better and you know having that growth mindset You know realizing. I'm not ever going to get perfect. I'm just going to try to be a little better than the version. I was before nine against important to is not trying to compare yourself with other people. Compare yourself with you you know. Take a month ago are you. Are you better than that person. And as long as you can always be a little better than the person from a month ago. Then you're you're going to get better right so It's journey dislike anything Anything worth doing. And it's hard. But i find it to be very rewarding to to know that i'm getting better so that's a lesson. I've been learning the last few months recovering from this illness. Up to thirty five minutes now of walking which is very exciting and next week exactly and when i tell people who don't know that much about what i've been going through but i'm up to walking for thirty five minutes. They look at me. Like i have two heads because what adult is proud of themselves for walking for thirty five minutes. Find your prime. I'm doing so well and it's just it's been it's been i think i think i'm able to use this experience to get better in many ways and one of them is exactly what you just said. Don't compare myself to other people. It doesn't they haven't been living the same life i've been living and as a and that goes in both directions by the way you also see people who can run a marathon in you know whatever a fast marathon paces three hours something and often compare themselves to other people and that doesn't matter either let's just be ourselves and And try to be a little better than we were yesterday. And that's that's a really hard thing to do. Which is why. I'm making this point. When you share one more thing please the so one of the most difficult things in in this whole investment game is untangling luck versus skill as we've as we talked about in the first session last week that it's so random any one year right. So here's a little secret to kind of getting a better handle on that look versus skill now actually comes from a A nineteen fifties whether man a statistician named glenn brier. And what we're doing here is where we're going to track our predictions and we're going to assign probabilities to those predictions So let's say that. An how i break it down is On sort of five drivers of where returns come from so there's revenue Margins gross margins there's The earnings so change in earnings change in the market multiple assigned to those earnings and dividends. So i have five things that are sort of the key drivers of of investment returns. I'm writing these dyes. I'm going to interrupt you and ask you to repeat them. Revenue margins earnings and what were the other two multiple multiple also. What the market assigns an multiple to those earnings and dividends dividend. Okay things yes and technically like there's another thing like with a change in the balance sheet so like if a company pays off their debt but what nor that for now so you know these five things that i can. I can make a prediction about each of those five things in a probabilistic way. I can say I think there is a seventy five percent chance. That apple will have ten percent higher revenue in one year from now and i tend to make these on an annual basis and and then so step. One is making a probabilistic prediction. Step two is actually scoring that. Prediction was i right or not right. And so if i have a very high probability estimate and it turns out. I'm right that gives you the highest score in this. It's called brier score at based on glenn bryer. Who invented this. If i give a very high probability and i'm wrong. That gives me the worst score right. Because that's like you thought you knew what you're doing and you don't now in between those where you have low probabilities and it turns out right or wrong. That's not really worth a lot because you didn't really have much confidence of what you were saying right. So so what the trick is and this is why. This is such a good hack. Is that for every one ric data point of returns. Which is what. I get in a given here right like would apple stock do in this case i get five data points on these five key drivers that tell me. Do i know what i'm doing or not right. So if i'm if i'm wrong on all five of my predictions and yet the stock went up. I know that that was probably done luck right and then i should. I should probably not think that. I know what i'm doing quite as much like this is if you don't do this and you only looked at what it what the return was. You're setting yourself up for the big loss later because you think you know what you're doing and you get overconfident. You're measuring yourself. Only based on the market as opposed to be more shall we say reality based scrapyard. That is this exactly and we can get more data points on in a faster time period to see. Do we have luck versus skill. A true so we can conversely. Let's say that you you got five out of five predictions were right. You had high confidence in the stock went down. Well you should then realize oh man. That was kind of just bad luck. I know what i'm doing. I'm getting the right drivers and making the right predictions. I just didn't get the result that i want and but if i keep going i know that eventually luck tends to iron out and i think i should end up with a good result. I have some skill here and it's not just purely luck So i think that's especially early on as you're learning and tracking How you're developing. I think it's hugely important to do these type of exercises and it's a way to compare yourself to yourself which is the the we're looking for. Yeah and you can. you don't even have to. You don't even have to make an investment in it to track your predictions on it and like you could make predictions about different companies. Even if you don't own them to see. Do i have any luck or skill or do i have any you'll really in this in this game And it doesn't act-actually half the cost you. Anything tends to be better if you actually have a little skin in the game That makes it feel a little more real right as opposed to paper trading but Being able to get those data points sooner i think is hugely valuable. Let's leave it there. I love it. Jake taylor thank you so much. For being on the podcast. Thanks for sharing your years and years of work experience to develop these framework and these thoughts around process of investing. Really appreciate that you're bringing this out and And thanks for sharing it with me. I'm using it. it's fantastic. Well my pleasure daniel. Thanks for having me on and letting me Carry on about a topic. That i'm passionate about you and me. Both you guys go. Follow jake on youtube at five. Good questions jake. Where else can people find you. I i spend too much time on twitter at Handles farnum jake one and then yet check out the value after hours podcasts. That's a little. That's a couple of my my friends who are just tremendous and super smart Bill brewster earn until carlisle And we just once a week we get together and talk for an hour or and record it. Basically and not. Just sort of whatever's happening And then the book is good street if you want to book that out a lot of different things to a lot of ways to explore. If you're interested all right thanks so much and thanks everybody. Bye guys thanks for listening to invest it. 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TIP341: Investing Mastermind Q1 2021 w/ Toby Carlisle, Wes Gray, and Jake Taylor

"You're listening to t. I pay starting this week. We introducing a new asked my group. We call investing mastermind at every quarter a team up with tobias. Carlisle worse gray. And jake taylor to talk about. We see in the financial markets right now. Today we're discussing. how why catherwood. And it's a move in the stock market. We're talking about why it's too simplistic to say. The low interest rates are good for stocks. And we also looking at whether or not. The sheila p is valid measure of the stock market. We'll talk about that and much more. You definitely don't want to miss out on this one. You're listening to the investors podcast while we study the financial markets and read the books that influenced self made billionaire. The most we keep you informed and prepared for the unexpected burst. Welcome to the investors. Podcast i'm your host. And what lineup we have here today. Toby kyle west gray. And jake taylor a joining me for investing mosman group here in q. One it's always great to speak with you and even better to speak to all you have the same time so welcome to the show. Gin's thanks for having us guys. Thanks so i'm sure the audience really going to enjoy this station. And what you guys see in the financial markets right now. Toby whereas and i wrote a book of fairy long time ago now. It's almost a decade since it came out and that's pretty good explanation of sort of the underlying process which is like the screen basically and then under a few things on top of that. I think the most interesting thing in the market at the moment is kathy would and ach. Etf's you might remember. In the early dot com days those funchal janus and the head break performances go great flows like a of flaws as a result and they were focused on smaller quid. Take names said janus had these gripe flows into these very illiquid stocks and they degrade performance as a result and it was probably van driving up. The performance of those stocks has been a similar argument made about ach that they tend to focus on smaller. Non-profitable take stokes and Sorta gigantically big of the last few years. It's now sort of a third or fourth biggest. Ats show out there that flows now that go into these small illiquid tech stocks of they control prices of these textbooks. Had this little wobble of the last few days colson redemptions for them which may cause them to do some selling as well they also have been exposure tasteless I just think that that's the driver of the market at the moment is potentially getting some redemptions having to sell out of some of those stocks which will push an the names and a very sort of beholden to what tesla Much big stuff. But it's still quite volatile. Hasn't made a great deal of money and so there's some risks that creates Cascade selling an odd gets coordinated. And then i didn't know what that does to the rest of the market. That seems to me that there's a lot of money in tessler knocked is fairly new money. Little be sensitive to what happens odyssey on his it relates our business little bit. We have a momentum fund. The traffic's at a lot of the names that arc funds as complex trades in. I've definitely noticed correlation in day to day up and down all around with respect to art funds. Which has actually been really cool last couple months but the last couple of days as been pretty painful. I don't know if it's actually true. But it certainly seems to be the case that art fund flows are driving demand and supply shocks in these kind of tech firms. I don't know how big of a issued is a broader marketplace though but certainly case in that narrow sector of the marketplace somebody joked at aachen sprung a lake of the last days it's flows it just amazing it's been. It was a lot of money in that redeploys because they active funds that redeployed immediately into the market as they see fit and this being this weird little wall of less dies with some of the. The frothy take names of pullback has tesla and said kesse shifted its portfolio. Mix a little bit from taking it away from some of those moya liquid names and it's moved a little bit more into tesla which might make it a little bit more liquid that they holdings in some of these companies are kind of. It's extraordinary hab much of the company that sort of in the twenty percent plus range in some of these companies. How's this going to play out like when you own that much of a company. And i don't know if you're that familiar with arc. What's the plan. How can they ever get out especially for some of the smaller names. I guess where there's just not enough liquidity. it's perfectly legitimate. Strategy and valley goes to this. Oh i'm not criticizing much but it's a perfectly legitimate strategy to buy something when it's very liquid and planned selling when it becomes more liquid much less liquid which is what tends to happen selwyn. Stocks it down low because they they wanna get out they sell typically because they have to get at somebody's sort of you know the redemption so that need the money somewhere also leave at margin line or something like that because they know that run the valued so he said it's no liquidity when you trying to buy some of these up nine not that big not a head. I'm just saying as a value got. You're always trying to buy And then you sort of hoping that down the road year. Oh two or three or five. Whatever at some point. The thing that you're buying so it comes back into fashion. People wanna pi pay high multiple and typically. That's when you see a little liquidity and you can probably ask about the research city liquidity as a factor. I think that that's the idea. Is that the list liquid. Is this typically bitter attentional list liquid stocks and more liquids wanna be buying illiquid and selling liquid has fun that does in thinkers firm called zebra technologies Started by some group. Academics that specifically targets factor and gotta make sense should earn extra for you know buying things that are paying the but to get in and out. But that doesn't solve the problem. I if you kind of forced an audit nah what they do in that scenario. I think it's going to be tough to get on all right guy so nothing wanted to talk about is whether or not you accused the thirteen filings in your investment approach and for sitting out there not completely sure what. A fighting is quarter. Report filed to the sec. If you control more than one hundred million dollars in assets it's something that institutional investment men just have to do jake stop. Would you for thirteen fs. I use it as a screening tool. It's a place to look for ideas. The vast majority of the time. When i kick the tires on something that i look at it doesn't make any sense to me. And that's okay. You don't have to understand everything but every once in a while. They'll be an idea that i'll find that is worth digging into more and those makeup for all the other times where it's a fool's errand one of the biggest problems that i see in that when people are kind of thirteen. F cloners if you will. It's really easy to clone the portfolio. But it's really hard to clone the conviction and the conviction doesn come until you've actually done some of the work yourself you know if you wanted to sort of quantify are use a quantum approach to it in thirteen f. Like i think has written about this. A fair amount met favor. You can do that. And i think that probably works over a long period of time but the periods of time where it doesn't work better really hard to get through because you just don't have the conviction to to hold in there. The other thing i would say is that you have to be really careful about who you choose to follow in the thirteen space. Because some people turn over their portfolios in such a way that that information by the time it comes out might be really stale. It might not look like their portfolio at all. So there are you can figure out who the ones are who are the long-term holders and those tend to be better places to look that's been my experience with a portfolio either because you can't see international holdings and you can't see shorts that they have on which you might be looking at half of arbitrage or something like that and you can't see any option positions that they have onset you getting one picture of the portfolio. The other rico. That's one thing. I learned this from may already spoke. Was that you shouldn't buy the biggest holding. Because that's that's the one that's run up the most. I think we've done our own research on this because we've always had big family offices. Ask about doing this strategy in to your point. Toby the irony is you don't wanna actually conviction way in accordance with how the actual managers weighed him. You generally want to own like they're smaller tiny positions that are that's the most mo jo. It's not usually their biggest position. Typically because like tracking error concerns or capital allocation concerns or other things that are actually unrelated to how much actual conviction immoral related arguably with the incentives of asset management business. How do you find the ahead. Somebody said that recently ended. They look for the we'd holding in the portfolio. That doesn't make sense in that there was some analysts. He's pushed really hard to get the cinnamon of a little bit of it in. Yeah i think. That's one approach another challenge obviously to jake's point and this is one that no one's convinced me of is. How do you pick your baseball players. Who's on the team either. It's one thing to go pick their stocks. But it's important to figure out who the hell is going to be. your baseball. players can hit home runs or not this going to be familiar enough with the philosophy that you like. It's easy to clean buffet. Because we all kind of his philosphy pretty well known as a whole lot of buffet type dudes at the he wanted to be reasonably comfortable. Probably take us. He could if you get comfortable with it. I can't get comes with that process but if you're that kind of invested than you can probably figure it out so now that you bring up buffet. Let's say that he would be all better so he bought a position for him. I know if you wanted to find this a big position. He put in eight point. Six billion berezin thing you put around three billion chevron do gossiping you thoughts on those two picks berkshires thirteen f. You have to be a little bit more careful with now that the has lieutenants who are managing bigger sums of money. So you don't really necessarily know if it's buffet. 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The world knows that and so that was like a headline for a long time. It was his tiny little position. And then it got sold out in a light in the latest And i didn't hear anybody say anything about that at all. It was like it didn't happen. Didn't exist what about snowflake to very kind of out of character for what you would expect from berkshire west. You're talking about it before that you dig into some of the data on those filings. Could you talk a bit more about that. We'll there's always outperformance because generally to toby's point when people pick the baseball players they focus on people that or well after the fact so obviously if you clone holdings of people that you choose as your baseball players usually choose baseball players that have hit home runs not necessarily those that strike out all the time so obviously the back tests are incredible is a danger in the first place but then so then the question is okay great. We know they all work. But how do we extract the most quote unquote alpha or kind of ride. The coat tail value from you're looking at these thirteen positions. And i think the broad idea is do not wear them in accordance to how they weigh him in if anything if you're gonna do it equal weight the things again. I'm like i'm like toby. At this point. I gave up stock. Picking so i always think through quant lens i would just go grab the baseball players and just take on like the best and equal weight. All their positions not accordance with their conviction were jake might have little better qualitative insights and he may do a different approach. But i i just thought about that through the lens of if we're going to try to clone these people to extract the most benefit efficiently without thinking too hard. That's basically the conclusion of all the work we did. You can also use the services that shut when somebody's buying selling and if it's someone who tends to hold for very long period of time and it probably doesn't matter assure quarter or so behind when it buying something. Yes when you get the guys who had trading all the time in and out it's a snapshot of chaos every quarter and you don't know what's happened in the days of weeks since oh before it's kind of useless hundred cleanliness And taking of the entire portfolio. Not what they actually try. The other thing we did was we talked about it in our book. Token is book back in a day than we formerly looked at it. You can also look at these names and thirteen apps and map them back to like their fundamental factor. Characteristics in. The question is like okay. Well if they have thirteen f conviction and they happen to look good on whatever you like you know value quality whatever the heck it is. That's certainly an additive manufacturing at margin bike. You wouldn't want to do a thirteen f name but then also identified that has low momentum. It's a total piece of junk and it's like the most expensive stock in the world. That's probably not a great idea but using thirteen. F is a potential marginal contributor to like a factor for polio. I wanted to tell someone adds a bad idea. That seems reasonable to me. One other point. That i think is is important is i will often kind of biased towards managers. Who i know have an activist bent because then there are other levers to be going on at the corporate level that can make a difference in. It's not necessarily just a sort of passive holding. Yeah going into this about asking that question. I'm really happy you guys are setting me stray so i do want to say for the record. Though to think it was toby's pine about how much the trader. If was jake. I would say that if you do that someone who was really interesting to follow would be someone like popeye. He doesn't trae lot sometimes. It could even go. Yes in between and he has a huge international portfolio and not a lot of us stocks and like he used to say. There's a thousand reasons why people sell stock but there's typically just one reason why the bias talk and i think that's definitely people for him but i can easily see why might not be applicable for for everyone else and we shouldn't fall into that trap. I remember i was speaking to bill miller about this and you know well prepared us was i was going into aroma and talking about different picks and and one of the first thing he said was just like hey dude. That's how you're supposed to look at it. We have different funds with different aims. And this just all summation of all of them together and we have different strategies for that to drills the sense if you look at what i do and out say. That's correct for bill milliken. Wouldn't necessarily say it's the same thing if you're looking at monisha or guy from that matter. I have a very different approach where it makes a lot more sons and see not only what bought but you can also reverse engineer and see what's priced at the buy something at which could also give some help in terms of of conviction so another guy. I would like to talk about here. Is is read w and this is a quote from rebellious that we talked quite a lot about on the show. I think that even mentioned doing the last mastermind crew meeting we had here with toby was and it's a call from rebellious. He said that in these conditions you have to diversify into many different asset classes currencies and countries for mock conditions. Like these and so one of the things i wanted to talk about specifically here is equities. That is what we know. Most all listeners really interested in that is equities and many of them are not looking at individual stock picks allow them are thinking in the bid more traditional portfolio sense how many percents of my portfolio should hold in stocks giving the market conditions so lipa try and ask you guys that same question so what you do personally and perhaps more importantly starting to how do you think about this question of ima conditions like these how big a percentage of equity should hold. Personally it's easier for me to answer this question. Because i put my exact money and percentages into the same thing that i do with my clients so this is what we execute as well for the firm. I have a little bit more discretion than western. Toby obviously sometimes. I'm jealous of their sort of tying themselves to the mass. I think it's very smart. Actually because i can just go round and round in circles in my head especially where we are right now and i'm sure every time period feels like it's the hardest time period to be an investor but right now there are such large tides in the marketplace and in the world. Really that it's a really difficult time to figure out asset allocation. Maybe this is just my own shortfalls and having too much discretion. But you know. When i think about the world i feel like have gotten quite a bit fatter than they were at previous times. What i mean by that is the very extreme outcomes that we might expect in a given year or five years. So for instance on one side. I can make a pretty convincing argument. That markets are too expensive that we have too much debt and that we should expect a lot of maybe debt deflation we could have tremendous amount of bankruptcies potentially there's so many companies right the other thing too is you have technology. That's pulling down the prices of things in a in a pretty extreme way as technology is accelerating you look at the price of a tv from like nineteen ninety-seven to today. It's ninety five percent less than it was. There's a saying that everything in the long run is a toaster argument that everything in the long run is a tv and that technology wants to do more with less and if that's the case then that's incredibly deflationary in which case i think you wanna actually own quite a bit of cash and so that you have money to put to work if the market was to correct really hard. You want the optionality on that deflation okay. So that's on one side. On the other side we have tremendous amount of stimulus money. Printing government intervention perhaps indexation that kinda never. Lets market correct. That's one theory in that instance Meal maybe rates are lower forever. Who knows you really need to own businesses at that point especially if we see a tremendous amount of inflation right. Your cash is going to be a terrible thing when it comes to that part the equities owning businesses for me. I have to two-pronged approach from that. I'm looking to buy things that are unloved. Cheap kind of misunderstood assets or industries and then on the other side by companies that. I i know the team who's running it to the point. Where like i think it's a very anti fragile bet on their cap allocation. So if things go really wrong. I know they're going to be making a bunch of smart moves on my behalf as an owner. That's tom trying to protect my downside. So we have this incredible rainbow of how the future might unfold. And i'm just trying to be the lease wrong across that whole rainbow. It's really hard to do right now. Because the the tales are so fat. You're doing things that look very contradictory. That's a really long winded. Answer to how. I'm thinking about it right now and like i said i'm a little jealous of these. Two other guys who. Maybe don't have to think about that much stuff as much and just execute the strategy. That is very smart with. They're doing and they get to. Maybe sleep a little easier. I know you guys can tell me if that's true. Or but i spend a lotta time going around and round in my head on walks about god. What the heck are we going to get in the next five years. I agree with jake. The level of brain damage. Potential here is infinite. Sal you generally don't walk around the world with a lot of brain damage. So i try to avoid that. I just focus on things you can control. Taxes fees diversification in you know. I'm gonna channel chelsom energetic. Bogle here. But i think that equities globally diversified and if he can handle the tracking error buying the cheaper ones and buying the stronger. Ones is generally a pretty good evergreen. Bet if you've got long ten twenty year horizon and the only reason you would ever add in things that pay you nothing like bonds and if they do pay you. They pay an income which is taxed inefficiency. Give half oh back to the government is if you have an extreme risk aversion problem and or you have liquidity risk like you might need capital at a certain point and there's no other way to get around it so for me personally. I'm all in all the time. Goebel equities in fancy things like toby does to like we'll trend follow the beta risk. A little but in general. I think it's fine to just have a huge amount of equity risk if you've got the capacity to hold it for ten twenty years and you can either cut your costs as individual or you can work harder to make more money but you know burning your capital on things that pay zero anything they do pay us gotta go to a fund manager the government. That just seems like a bad idea to me. I like stocks west. Could you talk a bit more about global agencies. And one thing i wanted to talk about is when you look at vanguard for instance and you see how they do their global stock market. There is a disconnect between gdp and the location so the baseline is like. Hey let's allocate like an index her in buying in the market cap weights right. So that's like roughly. Let's say fifty percent. Us forty percent ten percent. Em plus or minus. Whatever i think that's a fine place to start is a baseline it really cheap really efficient and you can deal with the things. I've mentioned up front that you can control fees and taxes because you can go by v. T. or something like that if you wanna get fancy and you want to do it in an evidence base way. There's probably arguments that you can use components evaluation momentum so if let's say a certain country like em making us up let's say the p. on em ten and the p. on us stocks is five hundred. You know i'm not going to shame someone who's targeting higher spectral returns if they tilt more towards. Em to the extent they can handle the potential swing in the short run. Nor would i fought someone who also looked at relative strength so some that just kinda shifted based on momentum. So you know. Em is is outperforming the us stocks over the past year. They will take a bit more towards the momentum. Great i think those are two tactical ideas were tin extent. You can manage again the taxes and fees of engaging in an activity make a lot of sense otherwise you should just probably do the market cap. Roughly diversification thing and any provocation. It'd be all in on the us. Frankly even i know buffet talks about that. This seems like bad risk management. Yeah and i just want to say for the listeners out there if you're like this cool west dude. He came up with all his death. Em thing correct me. If i'm wrong west here so that would be developed markets. Yeah like europe. Japan and then would be like all the people on the fringes arguably philippines thailand. Brazil like kind of up and commerce would be generically called emerging markets. I guess so toby now. Everyone's looking you. So what's the case for being one hundred percent named petits right now. That's a personal question. I think for a lot of people depending on where they are in this cycle. I m personally young enough. That i think that it's okay for me to be fully exposed to equities and particularly with the implemented adult long showed in amid kept lodge universe and long in late in a smoke can universe the two things that i manage about. Us focused so at the moment. All i think about is the us when i look at the us. I'm sort of reject really really hot. It's been kind of baffling to me as a value guy for very extended period of time that the market sensitivity extremely expensive that stokes soda Richard long run made now that they're not anywhere near the Breakdown you take the french data site ken. French is part of the family. French had came up with all. The fact is that was was discussing. Many of the factors that whispers discuss discuss full that can french publishers state or in his website. And you can pull it down and take a look at yourself but basically type breakdown by cash for advice because you're not allowed to talk about anymore because it's such a fact of it. Let's talk about cash flow. Because that's acceptable. He breaks down into all of these different. He breaks down the defeats into tents at ten buckets. Most expensive bucket is as expensive as Exceeding account remember exactly. But i think it might have exceeded two thousand now on that basis and the cheap stuff is it's expensive relative to its long run main bits no winnie as valued as the as the really expensive stuff. The problem is that that's being truth for an extended period of time. It's just the difference between the two has just kept on the widening. That's unusual and could be some problems with the way that we're counting for this stuff could be a change in the underlying business. You know the nature businesses that was sort of will take focused now rather more heavy industry or it might just be plain old kind of speculation in the market and the base. Things happen every now and again that it will get too excited about new technologies in pay too much for the success of the money away from the other hots of the market and in at some point. There's a reckoning stuff you look at a cyclically-adjusted pedes. It's a very unpopular at the moment because it tells everybody that the market's really expensive hasn't been deteriorate predictive for an extended period of time and it's not sort of show periods of time but only can cite looking at the cape at the moment. Is that the fold Pretty low and when you get that kind of live fold returns telephone accompanied by a lot of volatility. Say kind of getting the worst of both worlds terrible returns and likely of the likelihood of a big draw down increases through that period of time site testing like a head on got showed son in the market. That show junkie at valued stuff that has broken down momentum. And i'll just try to get long cheap strong stuff that generates such a cash throat bust So it's like a down. Like i get a better opportunity to buy most look. It's great if they stayed shape. They just keep them buying most of the intrinsic value. Kits concentrated any hope that if they get through a big boston stuff. That's most sensitive that much more expensive. Most speculative heavily even stuff that gets dinged up more that sort of protects the portfolio through something like that so i'm one hundred percent exposed to the us market. But i do it in that way. For basically long small micro which is the market rapes. 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Because whenever you when if you look at the ratio and we make sure linked to that in the show notes you know it goes back to eighteen seventy right so it looks like it's a very very long time serious so it should be somewhat able to predict what's going to happen because it's after a look at valuations and then at the same time. You'll probably hear people arguing that well we at the very end of long term interest rates cycle. So how much can use. That's historical data especially considering that it's not just a question of interest rate being lowest. They are right now. It's also question of what will they be in the future. And i guess there was a consensus in the mountain right now. That is probably going to stay there for some time. And you have people like you saying well. He of a fifty might be applicable. I think he was talking more about conventional p not necessarily about the cape fear but because of the low interest rates. So what are your thoughts. On that. Jake i find to be very compelling as an idea i mean i liked the smoothing over a ten year time period or currently in the thirty five times neighborhood which is pretty rich on the the data set. I think it got up to forty four times in ninety nine but japan in nineteen eighty seven. I think god up to what sixty six times cape something like that and before that it had not been over twenty five. I find it to be very logical but as a timing mechanism. i don't think it has a lot of it. Can't do a lot for you. Although maybe make the argument that maybe we'll just have the wrong timelines when we're thinking about these things. I saw this study that that looked at starting cape ratio. And then how did that perform over the next one year five year ten year and twenty year and the one year it is just a complete scatter plot right like the distribution. All over the place. There's no there's no value to it at all. By the time you got to a five year starts to tighten up along the line. That looks like tells you like. Hey this cheaper starting the better the returns and then over the ten year it was actually pretty marketed. Like tightens up quite a bit. There's a lot of value to it. So if you are thinking in five ten year increments. I think the cape is very useful. But if you're like most investors. I think these days you're thinking quarter to quarter. It doesn't really tell you anything it's not gonna help you there. What's interesting. Is that over the by the time you get out to the fifteen or twenty year. Mark that slope of cheaper starting price to return. Actually start to flatten. And i think that has to do with you. Know you've had twenty years from a good starting point of cheap the quality of whatever it was starts to then be what dictates how it turns out maybe like return on equity instead of just starting price. So which sort of matches what. I think you would expect if you were being logical about it. I find it very interesting but not very useful. What the cape ratio doesn't really change anything. I do strategically or tactically was definitely interesting. The think about share. I'm basically the same but as wisdom. I of what should and it makes me feel sick when i see how high is doesn't impact how i invest in the market. The problem that you have is that. I think that japan i think one hundred times. I might be wrong about that. That's my recollection at a hundred times. China one hundred times the us at forty four times at the peak the dot com bubble wasn't really try. It could have gone up to a half times to really ring the bell and the fact that something is i think david on a great line racists. Something like the something's today times i've evaluated is no list silly than something. Big free time value to five times. I think this is something. Like tesla I think it could be twenty times. I've evaluate an office. It was insane at ten times. I've about said it doubled from there and it's gone up ten times last year so definitely the wrong person to be asking about that coast of jake. Why don't you go ahead and pitch your topic. Oh i very selfishly. Since i had two guys who are kind of quantitatively minded writing terrific book together quantitative value. I wanted to know for myself. If you guys had any thoughts about sort of the future of quant looks like however you define it your definition but you know i mean is it. Unique data sets is it or machine learning. Is it a better thin. Slicing of factors is it. I don't know something else. Maybe even like a return to basics like much-maligned price to book like if everyone thinks it's crap does that mean it's might start working again Be curious to hear to experts. Talk about it or have respect for the behavioral areas that we will make in the marcus particularly with stress than with typically stressed at the times when you need quote must which is when the market's down a lot you should be behaving in a particular way. Soy i think the description that you get started me tying my hands the mosque. That's really what. I have tried to write a book with whiz. Got the benefit of whizzes. Right inside since will at stuff and said that's a really good approach. I mean do that then. I'm not gonna miss that at all. And so i taught myself the mawson at Implement strategy that fear of favor as to whether won't goes up to that where it's already gone with the better man to oscar belt so i would say i would break the breaking into two pieces. How will that stuff affect the business of quant. I think have dramatic effects insensate. You gotta pretend like you're doing something if you wanna get paid extra fees so i think people will do. A lot of this. Activity adds complexity. Add whatever as part of a sales pitch but that's the whole game of like. How do i get like some sort of information advantage before joe blow's supercomputer versus suzy's supercomputer. I don't know if that's really a great long-term game to win. But i know it's a great game for people to sell and people can do that. I know a lot about it. I don't know a lot about it. But i deal with a lot of people and we hire a lot of people that on lease open to letting them explore their crazy ideas to try to beat the brain dead versions of these models. But no one's convinced me that the actually at any real value beyond just marketing south. And i'm much more in the camp of toby where indian like fundamentals matter. It's humans buying and selling the marketplace. The only edge you really have is just being less human unless crazy and to the extent you can rely on systems to minimize that behavioral baggage. I think that's evergreen. So i think all this stuff matters for that component. It's foggier system entire self to the mass. And you'll probably be okay if you don't you'll probably screw things out. And if you buy sales pitch about how the the random forest triple ever zimbabwe's swap machine learning algorithm is gonna add value to your portfolio. Yeah you're probably going to get the fund manager rich. But i can work out too well for you. That's my basic. Take all the craziness in complexity out there. I think one of the big risks for guys for fund managers and people investing with fund manages funders. Get behind a little bit. Studt changing what they're doing so they they drink a little bit and it's very tempting miss market in particular if you're valued guy to drift into more growthy kind of stop because that's been what has been working for about the last five years probably ended spain. Accelerating it's been getting the distance between the tishman getting wider and wider. so at some stage. You just sort of contact your pint anymore and you want to jump into something that just to take the pain away for a month. I would one hundred percent do that. I just know that the moment that i personally do that the whole game is over and it will reverse causing get back to where i should have been in the first place so just keep that in my mind that the only thing you can do said outperform his to do those things that deviate from performance. You have to sort of stand apart from the crowd outperformance That and you just want to get the mockery ten than just go and buy the milk and just don't worry about it but i flatter myself that if we if i stick closely enough to a good strategy and will eventually turn around and outperform. There's been no evidence of that. So far though i should say the i think toby saying like very very important because all our time when you when you see people that have like the machine learning model that works for this smaller my value is bigger than your value or whatever the heck people are out there saying a lot of times when you actually forensically look at. What is this thing. It's implicitly adding stuff that has been winning so like oh you you know. Your value strategy is not toby's value strategy. It's actually different this half like high momentum or like intense quality buying and no kidding. It outperforms like hardcore toby strategy. Because it's fundamentally different. It's not better. it's just different in muslim. Time especially people like machine learning space because they can't really understand what their systems are doing. Their indirectly catching dynamically different factors. That have worked so it looks better on the back test but now you have to have. High reliance on that system being able to regime shifts in a robust way like switch from deep value to deep value but with a lot more momentum or whatever it is that's awesome because it back test better but do you think your machine learning algorithm is going to be able to robustly time that the next time i just wanted to value to become momentum's so i don't have to change. Yeah there you go. That's a good question. What do you guys think of the sort of value rotation thesis that may or may not ever come to pass in which case maybe value does become momentum. I'm just die of pleasure. If that happens experienced that it's been been investing professional semi professionally since two thousand ten says being along kind of whole since then for it hasn't really caught any massive out foreman since then it sort of phenomenon of the early two thousands and i'm embarrassed that i'm a momentum. Value golic jumped on the bandwagon after being working and now if they said great type of mikhail seminars racist like he's the worst road in two hundred years of valley. It certainly feels that way. He space at a press Crusts books for him any friends. These i think that at some stage in when i look at the portfolios as a value guy. If i roll up the portfolio and i look at my portfolio. Compared to the market i think every metric it's cheaper on every metric it's growing faster on every metric and it's got a high dividend yield and so. I think it's some sort of stuck that out by expecting that stock to perform. I think at some stage that happens. It's just as a lot of momentum in this market at the moment there's a lot of tech momentum in this market at the moment and that will persist until it away and is really nothing you can say about a with toby. Like i had bad timing. I was a value investor in early. Two thousand mixed it up for skill in an after the fact i realized like oh. Can you actually time. The value premium by opinion does not really unless you got lucky to start stock picking and you happen to have a value philosophy around two thousand. You think it's amazing strategy. You try to systematically. Can i predict when the premiums outperform the next premium. That seems unclear to me. But i do like it as a strategic allocation. 'cause the toby's point gravity should matter at some point cashflows all that stuff you know in theory fundamentals should matter but markets were seeing and you've seen throughout the history of the world cinnamon animal spirits lotta times matter a lot more than gravity. That's just the nature of the beast. I guess charlie munger has a really something. I think about a lot of quote about this. And he said that sometimes stocks will trade on the value of their use of cash flow and as a as an actual business and sometimes they will trade as rembrandt's their markets. Where it's a rembrandt and there are markets where it's the use of the cash flow and i think just recognizing kind of watch market. Are you in a rembrandt market. Right now helps you to be a little bit more patient as a description. Revalue guy jay. Do you think it takes for the Or are we already there. I don't know. I mean there's been so many head fakes it makes it. You just don't even want to whisper it for fear that it would disappear on me right. But i i agree. I think the the question that i struggle with is does that happen. Because it's a crash across everything and then maybe what was value like you said earlier is not historically against the cheapest dessel the most absolute layup. Cheap that it's ever been. It's sort of middling as far as the historical data said of how cheap the cheapest is does that get a little bit cheaper and everything else kind of catches down in which case. That's where i like having some cash on hand for that kind of scenario but if the jaws close it sure would hurt to miss that value rotation when you have been waiting for it for so long and i think this is where to me. I i try to keep absolute value in my mind and not just relative value. I see a lot of. I would call slippage in what someone thinks as cheap based on. Well it's cheap. Compared to this other thing today that is not cheap at all whereas if you go and try to use a little bit longer term kind of historical was this cheap. Relative to all of the opportunity sets that have existed in time the pickings get quite a bit slimmer. But i think you're a little bit more disciplined about what you buy. Program is for us just randomly watching some of the. I think it was bloomberg has some tiles on the tv. Last night everybody had gone to bed. Offense discussion of deutsche bank. Like he's one of the heads of economic system that took him about. You know the right spray argument. That low rights justify high valuations like. I've never really been able to sorry fastness. You're welcome with just missing you too. Yeah yeah the lot downer and then took to clean. He said something like a thing that can show up. I can brute fullest connection and he was going to write a paper to that effect but or like he's little blog post christmas perspectives. But never it howard hasn't come out yet and then i'll just audit look at the cape against interest rates like this just eyeballing you can see interest rates start high and like nineteen eighty and the law as i have been now and you have cape free that In two thousand. And there's another little bump in two thousand seven is another little today and that doesn't make any sense at all this looking at interest rates so that's not that's not helpful in the deutsche pointed at like the headline of interest rates and low interest rates in europe and multiples in buzzer those countries. So i have no idea anything that used to know. I don't know anymore. The confusion stems from just the dcf math in the problem. That interest rates are highly correlated with flo growth in so so the issue is all out sequel low interest rates. Agassi stocks are cheap however if low interest rates are also highly correlated with poor cash flows while now it is not all else equal so this us if the value stocks cash flow growth is coming down and the discount rate is going down. It's hard to assess whether it's good or bad for value which is why empirically you see no relationship because when interest rates are going down. It's us because it means there's you know poor cash flow opportunity sets in same thing when interest rates are going up while if that's indicative of real cash flow growth. You know. maybe that's good. It's just the intuition of all else equal or the assumption. Laws equals what i think. Trips people up on that logical trap of interest rates. May not you can pay a hundred times for stocks. Well not really unless you're idiot. That doesn't make logical sense at all. You gotta to. What's the cash flow growth profile. Chris call this morning tweeted that if interest rates rise to the level that they were pre two thousand and eight around that timeframe fifty percent of corporate profits would disappear into interest expense. And then if you think about if government had that exact same kind of dynamic the low to pay that interest expense would also go up which then theoretically would mean. There's more taxes do which would also probably put a cramp into how much pious leftover as as a business owner. We can't afford to have rates. Go up at all from these prices without i. Mari severe damage see. See those kind of comments though are all else equal argument right because the problem with that logic is what would cause interest rates to go up especially real interest rates will probably real economic growth a real price power something so tis extent that the corporations go from like current rates and it goes up to ten will. There's probably going to be a fundamental economic reason for that and a lot of that could not saying as is the case but it could be the case. It's because their economic profits like free cash flow growth is a really good profile. Which means that it would offset like the scare story. The kind of insurance salesman story her body. Chris insurance salesman. Basically this doesn't insurance sales story which may or may not be true but a lot of times things in extremes tend to revert naturally in so you don't wanna be too scared of them. I think so one thing. I wanted to talk to you about here today. Is these so-called seventeen cycles. And so they're not always seventeen years. I do want to say that for the record. But there's sorta like been famous in the value investing community. Because the saying goes that you gotta have a somewhat bull modify seventeen yes then to be flat and then go to have another sympton. Yes and we're really talking like long stretches so it's not going to be like boom every single year then flat for seventeen years straight. Obviously that's not going to be the case but perhaps the most famous one would be from nine hundred sixty five and you had seventeen years and then from the early eighties up till nine hundred ninety nine. You had another seventeen years. The market fifteen point one percent from the early eighty s and then you had twelve years with around and then the past nine years you have nine point eight percent so some might be thinking about that and i know of this is this is horrible to try to extrapolate and oh yeah that's been going on for like yes it's around seventeen so it's probably gonna run for another eight years. That's not so much my point. The reason why. I'm saying this is that i was watching a video with mortars pop right the other day and he was talking about these cycles and in reference to being a value investor looking at the market trying to find compounders that being one strategy and then the other strategy being really trying to find like really cheap bargains that they would then go to intrinsic value. Say two three years like those two. They're posing way of thinking but it is like two different ways of looking at stock investing and so his point was that the might be paraphrasing. Here we're speaking with next month. So he probably set me straight but his point was that you would have compounders in bull markets. That's what you should focus specifically on and then whenever you're entering territory of cauliflower. It's that's when you're going to look for really really cheap. Companies that would then revert to the intrinsic value. Do think that has any kind of validity thinking about those scientists like that j. You wanna go first. Yeah thanks let me take. The i mean i do find it interesting. That buffett has written about this before when he is generally kind of macro and bigger market agnostic. But he's pointed this out multiple times these seventeen year cycles. I don't know if it is a generational thing it's sort of an emergent. Property of new generation has to learn the same lessons over again. I don't know if it's interest rate changes that kind of like maybe move on some of these cycles. i don't have a lot of. Let's say that's not a big part of my process. I try to simplify it a little bit more of other things that as a business owner make sense to me to buy then. I think i'm getting a good deal on it whether that means if i'm classifying how i think mo- niche is a fifty cent dollar that is to rewrite from fifty cents to a dollar or is it a compounder where i want to own it. For a long time to the point where the multiples entering and exiting doubt matter as much as the return on equity along the ownership. And i personally am drawn or to the fifty cent dollar approach. Just as a. i think it's i like to have that edge always and i'm i'm not as confident in my ability to predict business and the business is ability to earn points per cent return on equity for twenty years. I think that's really hard to do. I think it's much harder to do than people think it is right now. The article that buffet roy but he was comparing two periods. That were about seventeen years. I think it was kind of that. There was anything special about the the number of years. I think he was just saying if we look at the last seventeen years. Interest rates went from a lotta number to a high number and the stock market. Did this if we look at the preceding period interest rates went from the reverse and the market was sort of flat that period and that inspired but silently and nelson to use the to use kate. Sort of divide the market out Periods with the titling colson sideways markets and basically sidewise markets the markets thought to very high valuation on a cake basis and it sort of drifts sideways with lots of volatility in the interim and sort of doesn't really go anywhere for extended periods of time. Like saying fifteen. Seventeen something like that. Those periods of time. I've tried to reconstruct those shots using It's really hard to find. The bottom of this is no way you can really do that. Quantitatively you have to get to know where the cape is an go through and identify. The law dates in the shots. It's not an easy thing to do. It's not something that you can just tell the computer today because there are lots of these civil bull markets in bamako. I don't know what you call them. Like two or three of five he bull and ban markets with a market. Does he civil round trips. Sometimes it goes on and it's not clear with a low of thirty six adjusted. He is in that market. It's not clear to me whether hey bif- hey divided too so they just really hard to identify outside so if you prospectively the choke going into one of these james it may make more sense to do one thing over another. But i didn't even know prospectively. What regime you going into you. Kind of get the opportunity set that you have in front of you and then you have to decide what you're going to incite the solution. That wisdom by sort of come out with is to go test the whole of different tests one model for a whole lot of different regimes and say which models sudden did the best without any foreknowledge their periods when it does really badly and periods where does k. And he sort of come at the end with some reasonable performance. In when you when you look at the model that we create it draws alone. Buffet says like the foot one of the things that looks for his doesn't have pretty good margins. That's indicates that the company has some A stable of a growing. You buy cheaply. Is it not too heavily into a whole lot of. There's a whole lot of criteria that you look at to make sure this is saif business. This is a good business. it's ending what is pretty cheap if you do that. By the time some of these companies that can attend to compound. Some of these companies are just gonna re-write and get sold out of the portfolio. I think it's incredibly difficult to predict perspectively which one of them is going to be. A compounded and which one isn't like took time because microsoft is being a great performer at the last decade. But i remember vividly going to the value. Investing congresses and kyrie people pitching microsoft at that time and microsoft at the time. It's like two thousand eleven. Twelve fifteen hadn't gone anywhere since two thousand is this like received kind of cullman wisdom. Steve obama didn't really know what it was doing. Microsoft it had its first year of revenue groping and in the head. This new guy in such a dela. And everybody's like where's this thing going like once the an haleiwa like ten years later. Almost ten years later microsoft's on communist absolute taste software as a service session adele genius. Mythic part of it is it came from a low valuation. Pot of it is that they have done some amazing things in that business as you which is just didn't exist before as a multi-multibillion-dollar these really really hard to predict the things that she can predict Right now by some balance sheet. It's not gonna get hit that you can identify all of the things that will blow it up. Make sure they're not there and is cheap because if it's too expensive you can lose money that way to doesn't have surprising pad the moment. Yes it does if you put listings together. Good things can happen all side there. let's you find stuff like that. You know wind the clock for five years. it's not just like on balance of the follow up. You have enough position you dig it pretty good That's my naive approach to the market guys writing. Great arguments vote positions. And that's a brilliant insight. That's really great. It's just that i can't do and on suspect about when i can't say the one thing that i have done i just wanna fun stuff. You can hold for like Data city candidate by stephanie. How long can hold for helen. You get the out performance. And i've just then try to fit different. What is the thing that predicts the moments of these things. And it's not. I can never find any quality metric that gives you any the works of that period. The only thing that i've found is starting cross relative to a fundamental and it almost doesn't matter which fundamental if it's cheap that's you spent about performance over an extended periods on. We do that. God study on affairs from Like the five year winners as iran. A bunch of factor aggressions in china do toby's saying like. Hey can we reverse engineer out these winners and literally you. can't you get beta. Obviously because you're buying stocks but there's no momentum value. There's no obvious characteristic said to identify like long-term quote unquote like five year. Look ahead winners. Aegis got know but the toby point you the hell at a known that the new microsoft ceo would turned up from a not many people to be fit with people pitching out the value investing congress but the face was it's cheating it's like an eleven percent free cash. Let you that was the not. This is a compound that it's going to be taking over the world over the next week. This is not google. Are what a fantastic discussion. Thank you so much. For taking the time to join. This must my discussion here today. To give all you the opportunity to tell the audience where they can learn more about you wes. Why don't we go ahead and stop it. You just alf. Architect dot com follow blog. Follow us on twitter jake. The investing side for street dot com is our firm and then Toby and i do along with bill brewster value after hours once a week supposed to be more for entertainment than necessarily investment purposes. 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208- Jacob Taylor Author of "The Rebel Allocator"

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208- Jacob Taylor Author of "The Rebel Allocator"

"The. Everybody this Billtown town. Welcome to the invested podcast where we are learning to invest like Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger as best we can. And you know, that covers a lot of territory, and we are having a ball doing it. We've been out this about what almost three years now where I'm trying to teach my daughter to invest now, she's teaching me, and we just keep going on just now he just I have opinions and we fight. But not today not today. So today, we're so lucky because as we've been telling you guys now for six weeks. I hope you went out and bought the rebel allocators because we have the author here with us today. Jacob taylor. Jacob L Taylor is the CEO of farnam street investments. He's the host of the author interviews series five good questions, which is a really good at all. Reading that. Yeah. I'm reading it. Yeah. Deal here. He's here. He's the let me finish the creator of the world's worst hike. Not worst creator of the world's first hike cast. It could be both. I don't know what that is. Worse. Like this your bio welcome and what is a hike cast. Well, thanks for having me. Hi, cast was just an idea that I had that. I noticed when I go on a hike with a friend. We would have these amazing conversations out in nature, and it felt like it just flowed when you're outside much easier than maybe with a microphone in front of you. So I I thought well shoot why don't I figure out how to record some of these? And then I can put them out there. And and it really it's just a way for an excuse for me to get outside more, and and, you know, take walks. So that's that's really all. It's really about. I love that idea. I always think the best things in life, come from Willie. Really? It was just an excuse for me to do x y and z like pretty much all of my projects are things that I just kind of wanted to do anyway. All right. I'm gonna finish talking about your projects. You used to address professor at UC Davis graduate school of management and the rebel allocators. Jake's first literary effort, he lives in Folsom, California with his wife and two boys where he enjoys being the second best selling author in the house. Okay. You got to explain that one. Oh, well, my wife is she's written several cookbooks. Actually that are pretty well received mostly actually like the the Kito diet space. So yeah, that's as bad about us. I get to tesla the recipes. So we pretty well around here. So you can go with that one. We just watched a documentary last night from this. Australian guy called fat sick and mostly and most and yes. Yeah. That's in nearly death. It was incredible as your wife like writing cookbooks to that audience wants to get healthy food. Yeah. I don't know about specific take on it. But you know, this the Kito diet ends up being very very low carb, and the style that they that she offers is really more kind of natural real foods like eating basically a lot of meat vegetables. That's that's what it boils down to and and not being afraid to eat a fair amount of fat from good sources. Nice. I love that's what I wanna eat wanna eat like that. We. In the same bean of getting healthy watch this segue in the same vein healthy, I'm not okay. We want to have healthy investments and has awesome of book. Yeah. Thanks that serves up the nasty serves up the vegetables, the stuff that doesn't taste quite as good wrapped in a beautiful chocolate cake, Jake, how did you come up with the idea to write the rebel investor in the fiction? Wait, wait, Jack, don't even answer. I'm still back with the vegetables wrapped up in the chocolate cake metaphor that sounds terrible. You're going to ruin the vegetables, and you're gonna ruin the chocolate cake. What can I tell you? I mean, people big zucchini into brownies and tastes really good fight zucchini and brownies. There's character. Also. That's pretty yes. There's that. Yeah. Okay. There. I stand corrected. So sorry, Jake onward. Yeah. So the premise of why did I write this book? As as let me restate the question. Yes. So this book is it's it's fiction. It's in the form of a novel. And in the novel, the main character learns a ton from kind of a Yoda style figure about how to allocate capital and businesses. So why did why instead of just writing a straightforward like business book? Here's how you do it. Why did you decide to put it in the form of a story? Yeah. I started as you would expect going down that nonfiction traditional path. And I had I had put together a pretty good book proposal and even entertained a few book offers for it. But at some point, I just I felt like that. I just couldn't write that book that it would just be too dry and too boring in too easily forgotten in six months, and I felt like they're all these little nudges from the universe. That were telling me, you have to tell a story there has to be some emotion if you really want the lessons to stick. And so I basically through all that in the garbage can and started over and started researching how to tell a good story and got to thinking one day like all right? Who's a good storyteller? I thought well Hollywood basically does that for a living. So I started researching and reading books about writing screenplays just too. So I can have some kind of a framework of how do I overlay these lessons that I wanna teach but keep it within the arc of a character? You know, and and a story. Developing, and it turns out that that screenplays are very tight like emotional. They call it like, basically like a a Swiss clock of emotion like there. There's little pieces that have to be at each little place. Otherwise of that whole thing doesn't work. So I stole all of that stuff, basically for my book, and basically the book reads as sort of the karate kid as but if Mr. Miyake was a Warren Buffett or Charlie Munger character, how would that play out? So that was that was really the impetus of of how I transitioned from you know, kind of boring nonfiction that you'd probably expect for this topic to something a little bit different. And hopefully actually makes like you said the vegetables go down a little bit easier with the story of the chocolate cake. I don't often think about capital allocation when I think of Warren and Charlie in investing strategies, and so on how do you tie that together? I mean, I know that that that buffet. Considers it many CEOs are not good capital allocators, and that capital allocation is the number one job of a CEO. You don't get into that one. Can you also define capital allocation, there we go good good thing to do? Yeah. I mean, I define it personally is is very simplistically that what does the business spend its money on. Whether it's paperclips all the way up to share buybacks and different levels of the organization are people are still doing capitalization, just deciding what you spend your budget on his capitalization. Even if you're the lonely line manager down at the bottom if you have any kind of PL so that's super interesting. That's really easy to relate to any budget, any allocation within that budget. That's capitol -cation. Yeah. And the term kind of gets confused with because it also means if you're let's say, you're like a hedge fund manager, you're making capital allocation decisions within your fund also like, so we the the term capitalist self actually is a pretty sloppy term. Actually, we we use it for to describe many, many different sich. Relations and things in the world using this one same word, and I it's actually kinda frustrating to me that we don't have more words to describe these different situations. So in the book, I actually invented term. And it's called fat little, and that's basically the combination of the words, financial and capital together. And unfortunately, I found out after I'd already written a book that apparently faffing is something that you would do by yourself that maybe would be a bearing in. I think it's a British term. So I have fat little as as this thing. Then I found out later that might have made it wasn't the best word choice. But. Well, if if I'm as an investor, I'm obviously interested in allocating my capital, but aside from that if I were to use the skill set of CO two allocate capitalism. Pretty good market would be a pretty good market right of the potential for that company to grow. How would I go about doing that? How do I figure out? That this guy's a good capital allocate. Or you know, what I do for myself when I'm valuating calculation is I I will look at the financial statements, mostly and honestly, mostly the cash flow statement tells me the majority of the story, and I will put myself in that that CEO or you know, that management shoes and look at different time periods, and I'll look and see what what did they do? What were they spending their money on that time period? What it looked like? So like, let's say share buybacks how expensive was their stock at that time when they were doing share buybacks or you know, what did the I tried to put myself in be empathetic with what were they looking at. And what decision would I have made if I was in their shoes. And how does that how does that vary? And and also how clear do they explain what what their thought process was in their letters. And the things that they talk about publicly so it's really kind of game of IMP. Theory of because it's such a wide ranging topic. That know what are you spend your money on in a business like it could be so many different things. And and so many different things might may. Or may not be a good idea. It's very difficult to just put it into a kind of a cookie cutter, you know, quantitative like, you know, XYZ they should have been doing this or that. But if I put myself in their shoes and try to imagine what I would be spending money on if what they're doing makes sense to me. Then I feel like okay. These guys at least are following a logical framework. And also are they thinking for themselves about it. I mean, that's one of the biggest highlights of of William Thorndike's book, the outsiders, which is a pretty pretty great collection of different fantastic capital. Caters? It really describes what it looks like to have a really good capital. Cater all of them share this this one feature in particular that they're they're all I Kana classic. They're all they all think for themselves. They're all. You know, avoiding the heard, and so it's kind of interesting because you have the exact same phenomena of being a good investor in, you know, as in the public markets in your your IRA, or whatever it is of not wanting to follow the heard the same thing is true at the corporate level of the CEO's who do a really good job capital occasion. So if the biggest takeaway that you can have for any of this is that just thinking for yourself is your biggest vantage. So why why is not following the heard a good idea given given that? Many people when they think of investing are essentially the heard themselves. They're just the heard jump into an index jump into Broad-market mutual funds. But if you're actually investing why is not you would think. Wow. Okay. The herds gonna take the market up. Let's just follow the herd. Why is that about idea? Well, I mean it depends on. It depends on what your what does it look like when when you're doing it. So like, for instance, let's say that you're you're index fund buyer. If you're buying the index fund in two thousand nine I have no complaints at all. I think that was a really smart move. Yeah. If you're late to the party, and you're buying index fund hand over fist right now. Ten years on into a bull market. Well, maybe you're a little bit late to the party and typically that's not gonna work out. So well for you and the price that you're paying to own these five hundred businesses, let's say on a and SAP five hundred index. You know, you're you're paying for pretty rosy future. There's been a lot of extrapolation from here upward and people drawing straight diagonal lines up into the right? And that's just not how the world really works like there's cycles to everything. So it all like the answer to anything. It really depends. And a lot of it has to do with the price that you're paying so depends on if you're at the front of the heard of the back of the herd. Well, I think the saying is that what the wise do in the beginning. The full dozen the end, right? So if if everybody's piled in early are in front of you, and you're the last one to the party, you're you may be the one holding the bag. Yeah. So. When we're looking at doing this on our own. Staying away from the herd. Basically is there some is there some structure to that? I mean, do you do you think in terms of of some specifics with regard to companies that take you away from her Datta medically or no? Or do you just look at contrarian stocks? The hurts going that way. Everything are not buying. I'm interested in. Yeah. I mean, typically for me, the the heard comes down to valuation, and how expensive is what I'm buying right now is that tell me how popular is this or not? And so, you know, there's there's reversion to the mean if you still believe that that is a thing that exists. You know, we have ten years of of strong evidence that that reversion to the mean is dead for the time being. But if you do believe in that as a strategy, then naturally going where other people aren't is will show up in the prices of things and things will be cheaper and and expensive things will will come back down to earth as well. And so as a as a value oriented investor as a fundamental investor I think he really just looking for those situations where either something is to cheap or to expensive and you try to avoid the expensive and buy the cheap. This seems to imply that you might think that sort of a fish market theory is perhaps not that solid. What do you think? I agree. I actually think that the I think the market is relatively efficient. But I also think that it's not completely efficient and those two things are are hugely important believing one versus the other if you believe that the market is completely efficient, then you should probably be operating a completely different way than trying to find cheap individual companies to be by. However, if you think that there's any chance that there's inefficiency than it does behoove you to then be on the lookout for buying things that are on sale. So I think it's it's generally the market's pretty efficient and even more efficient now than it was, you know, twenty thirty fifty years ago when a lot of our heroes were starting out. I think there's an interesting stat that is a little bit troubling as a as a as a money manager. And it's the number of stocks divided by the number of CFA holders. It's it's kind of a measurement of fishing in a way. Like how many eyeballs like smart, quote, unquote, smart CFA eyeballs are looking at the number of stocks. And so how efficient with the market because of that? And that number because stocks have the number of stocks public have has trended down the number of CFA's has trended up that ratio has gotten gotten a little tough for the individual investor that wants to to make you know, above market returns. Is certified financial adviser six survived financial analyst. But yeah. So essentially, a professional essentially a professional. Yeah. It's pretty rigorous program to get your CFA designation. But it's also a it's kind of Roenick because it's also teaches I think mostly efficient markets and efficient frontier. Correlations things like that that that are a little bit more academic. But but it does give you an idea. Like, wow, there's a lot of eyeballs looking at these things trying to figure out what they're worth something. My dad, and I have debated a lot regarding officiant markets, and and and inefficient markets is the timeframe in which one qualifies the efficiency because for a very short term investor one. Could argue the market is pretty efficient. They get the information. So quickly these days it works out. Pretty well. If you're looking at the long-term, though when you build in outside forces and emotions and multiple things going on in markets. They do look much more inefficient than they do from short term perspective. What do you think? I agree completely. I think that there's a lot of quarterly. There's a lot of focus on what happens quarter to quarter with a company and less on. On. What is the company looked like five ten twenty years from now? And so that may be that patients may be one of the only lasting edges that that's out there. Now, there's so much. There's so much data there. There's so much information. You know, whether it's satellite feeds of parking, lots to try to tell you what retail numbers are gonna look like I mean to try to win on having better data set is incredibly difficult and credibly expensive nowadays. But if you're focused on what things look like three years from now compared to what is it looked like three minutes from now, I think that you you still there still an edge there to be had for the for the average investor. There's a there's another view of this that that Daniel. Proposed a year or two ago, and we were talking I was basically maintaining that that we would want to buy when there's fear in the market and sell. Yeah. By fear, sell greed, right which we haven't seen any fear for a long time. But the basic general approach would be that way. And and since you know, the vast majority of money that's in the market is managed money. It would require theoretically that very experienced rational investors, get fearful and in that get irrational and make mistake on in terms of valuation and Danielle argued back, and I'd love to have you way out on this argued back that probably the incentive for fund manager is is to keep up with his peer group or her peer group or index and to not do so is to take your life in your hands. And to not do. So for over a year would be tantamount to suicide and therefore the the incentives for professional fund managers are not long-term. Great results their short-term keeping up with the mob. And there's a lot of cautionary tales out there about people who thought they would go long term and and em we're right and still lost their jobs. And so what? And so that's where the efficient inefficiency comes is that as you were just saying in that short term versus long term. But that it isn't driven by fear. It's driven by needs of the job, which I thought was really interesting insight. 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I think that's where the rational longer term thinking investor has an advantage that you don't have to play that game. You don't have to participate in that kind of folly. And even though it's difficult, especially if you're are marking yourself against any kind of a benchmark and have other people's money to to report to that can be very difficult. But yes, that's that's where you really have to educate your investors. If you're a professional manager, you have to make sure that you guys have the same timelines everyone's on the same page as far as all, right? What are we trying to do here? Like, what's our what's our strategy? They really have to know to believe long enough. You know, you see studies like I think the best performing mutual fund in the two thousands was this as kin Heeb nurse fun. It was like the c m g or c g or something like that. And it I mean it crushed it. I think I might have the numbers a little bit wrong. But like it was. Plus, I think like seventeen percent annualized over that period. And that that tenure period was basically like zero for for the markets, roughly, depending on when you start your measurement. Well, what did the average investor do in that fun? Is like negative ten percent. That was the dollar way to return. And so you had this rocket ship that did seventeen percent. But no one was on the ride when it was going up. They all piled in at the end when it was going down. And then it went down. Way. Yeah. And I think that this happens a lot actually like it's kind of a sad statement of the latte, the lack of integration between a fund manager and their clients that they the dollar weighted returns for I think a lot of investors are for a lot of money managers are are are not that encouraging because of that like they have a great streak, and then all the hot money pours in and then, you know, they things cool off your your style goes out of favor. And then then everyone flees when you're down, and it's just it's kinda the same thing that happens in the market a general wherever when piles in when things just keep going up because it feels like the risk is off is no longer there. But. You know, it's it's human nature really playing over and over and the industry keeps pushing that that that result. I think to a certain degree Bruce Berkowitz. I think had three stocks in fair home in two thousand ten famously CitiBank of America. And and they all went up a little bit in two thousand ten two thousand eleven with the Greek bond problem, they all went down in the market went sideways, and I think out of the eighteen billion. He was managing eleven billion came out almost immediately from these pension fund guys who are not going to sit there and wait. Well, while you're going through this horrible moment. And then of course, the next year. I think that those stocks went up and normally and the year after that, I think they went up ninety percent. I mean, it's just huge jumps. He was one hundred percent, right. But it doesn't matter. He becomes a cautionary tale and roadkill. Can you imagine trying to manage the day to day operations of your business with with fifteen million dollars of hot or billion flowing in and flowing out the next year like one of hand in the ass? Yeah. Yeah. And and you think that's at the basis of this cautionary tale for fund managers is don't try to be a hero. Don't try to you know, be a Warren Buffett and knock out twenty six percent a year, compounded. I mean, you're just gonna get roadkill. You're you're gonna have a down. You can have a down year when the market's up and you're done. When that happens. Yeah. Much better to fail conventionally right than bail conventionally, keep the assets under management, take take home, a nice check, and don't sweat it. And that seems to be the majority of people in the industry learned that lesson. You have not learned that lesson yet. No. I'm just getting hit over the head with lessons. I'm not learning. But but it real investors. Don't do it. Like that. Really do it. Like, you do that's real investing in my view. You know? Creation. It's it's it's a logical approach. But I'm sure everybody thinks that they're doing the right thing that every moment, right? Your approaches unusual and not just because you wrote a fiction book about business topic. But you just said a little bit ago that Lohan you look at those cashless treatments. You see it as a game, of empathy? And you don't hear a lot of words like that around investing. Do you think that that's a real difference in the way that you invest in the way, you think about investing? I mean, I don't think that I have any special insight there. I think I do recognize now more every day that, you know, these are people making decisions at every level like we like to abstract it out as this company and. You know, these entities and businesses doing in these industries, but at the end of the day, there's a person making decision all along the line at ten every juncture here. And and the other thing too is that the thing that's really been driven home for me is that businesses just messy because there's so many humans evolved any business you've ever been a part of has there's mess, and that's just that's just part of it. And and so I understand that that business is messy more than I did even a few years ago, and that therefore if I put myself in their shoes and try to empathize and think about what they're what they're going through the decision making process the opportunity set that they have in front of them. And then try to imagine what I would do that just makes sense to me is a way to evaluate them. And and really just like kind of skin in the game. Like, what would I do if I was in their situation in your book? Main sort of teacher guy. Constantly talks about personal life and about his experience growing up, and and you have him coming. He came from a family who started the burger joint or he started the burger joint. Can't remember his father did? Yeah. Yeah. So there was a whole family component to it that he then felt he had to uphold and make it better. And he talks a lot to the main character about that. What made you put in? I mean buff. It's the same buffet talk so much about personal stuff. What made you put that stuff into the spoke about business ideas? Well, a large part of it like for that specific character. I wanted it to be recognized that that he actually made a lot of sacrifices to do what he thought was. Right. And he felt like that he could serve his fellow man. Best by being a great business person and all the different ways that that manifest itself? Whether it's you know, mentoring, his employees to making good Kapela occasion decisions to even just providing a, you know, a great food experience for customers. Like, that's a really noble thing to be doing like, he's feeding people. So I wanted to be a little bit painful in him telling his story about how he ended up really sacrificing a lot of his personal relationships to to be the best business person that he could and that there was a real cost there, and that that he should be celebrated as someone that helped his fellow man more than than average by the sacrifice that him and his family. Were willing to make. And I think that. I've never heard buffets say that specifically about his own life, but you can kind of draw the parallels. They're pretty easily. If you've read any of his biographies of you know, like he just he worked all the time has kids, you know, had they have relationship with him. But you know, it wasn't maybe the closest tightest family dynamic. It seem like at least for my understanding. And I think that he thought he was doing the best thing he could for the world by doing what he did. And being a great teacher for for all of us. And it's hard to say that like that the world's not a better place because of that decision that he made in that in that sacrifice that probably his family made. So I I wanted to bring that out a little bit for this this Mr. x character in a way that maybe people would appreciate some of the sacrifice of business people make to serve their fellow man in capitalist way. Do you think it's possible? That's what Charlie picked up on that made him pick up. The telephone Charlie Munger picks up the. Phone calls. You. I don't know. What exactly I I? I mean, I m the book around the holidays, and I think I just caught him at a weak moment. Maybe you know. He was Charlie Munger with the weak moment. Right. I don't know. Like the fact that there's just like enough story there to keep someone interested. I think probably didn't hurt and co sending him fictional books like that. And there's a fair number of things in the book. Also that that would mimic Charlie's life as well. And I'm not going to spoil them. But but the the. He's I know that he kind of told me that he saw a lot of himself in the character. And that's great. I mean that I I did what I was trying to do right -ccomplish? What my aim was. Did he say that with pride or with a little bit of regret or what was his tone? No, I think. I think what he actually said was that, you know. Of course, I was going to like that. It was basically about me. It wasn't maybe not quite that exact wording. But that was kind of the gist of what what he told me at one point during our phone call. Were you call about value investing as your main character? When you first started learning about this stuff way back in business school. No, no, I was so this actually the the background for me was that. I was I was running the power grid for the state of California before I got into investing. And it was a job that I got right out of college. And I basically like worked in the control room floor and was effectively electrical engineer. So I went back to get my MBA just to keep my options open for if I wanted to go into management at the company, and they that was when I happened to win this lottery to go back and visit foreign buffet and do one of those student visits that he does. And I was amazing to me was that I realized after doing a little bit more research about his style that I had been a vest my entire life. I just loved to find a deal on something. It didn't matter. What like I never paid retail for anything in my life. If I could help it. So you really started to recognize it in yourself. It like buffet says it's a knock it can be an inoculation for people like it takes right away or doesn't make sense to some people and for me it made sense right away. It was just like, of course, why wouldn't I want to buy partial ownership of businesses and get a deal on them? What what how what what other way is there, though, that would make any sense? So for me it was like right away. Perfect sense with the character. I I want I wanted that was a little bit of a literary affect to give the character a longer arc of growth for him. So I pulled that that arrow back very far for him. You know with with having his parents be, you know, very more socialist like kind of anti-capitalist, and he is as well. And so now he has much further distance to grow and to to recognize some of the merits of capitalism. So yeah, I did that on that was that was kind of a literary trick. It wasn't so much. My my personal upbringing. It's not completely autobiographical. No, no, no. There's lots of took lots of literary license. I've got to bring us back to an earlier question before before I forget, which is we sorta started into what are some key? I don't know data points that we could look at if we're really looking for a great allocated capital. And you said that. You would look at at a company that's doing buybacks compare there. He was at that time period. The. They'd be underneath it. We cavanaugh. As senate. That we get up pretty. Yeah. I mean, the the number one thing that most businesses have as their best option is reinvestment in their own business. So that calculation can come from something as simple as return on investment capital. And maybe even actually return on incremental invested capital is is even better. But what is that? It's more of a a measurement of the change in invested capital? And what the returns were over that time period. So it's a little bit of a it's a little bit more academic and a little tougher to calculate, but but the general idea is that if I have a dollar that comes into my business. What's my best option for it? And most businesses and the answer is to put the money back into the same operations that you were doing widening your boat delighting your customers and really try and and typically it comes down to a strategic costs versus a non strategic cost. And so. What I would define strategic cost is a dollar that goes towards making your customers. Happy versus a non-strategic is, you know, things like overhead, and, you know, typically fall into the s GNA line item on a on a on an income statement. So. Typically, a the the best use of capital is back into the business. And hopefully, you know, you have a really long runway of of capital that can be deployed into that business and still produce high returns. There's a lot of businesses that aren't like that they they just can't absorb any more capital and provide a good return from it. So knowing what kind of business you're in is important. If you're like, let's take a buffet. For instance, the kind of a classic example would be seized candy produces incredible return on investment capital, but can't absorb any new capital, very readily. Now. Let's contrast that with be NSF the Burlington Northern railroad that they own that can absorb in crazy amounts of capital. But only yields like, let's call it roughly ten percent on a regulatory return. So it's not putting up huge numbers. But it can it can consume a lot of capital and still provide a return on it. So return of. A capital is always typically your number one number one choice then from there. You know, you can get into more the other nice thing about trying to capitol is that hopefully, that's the business that the CEO knows the best. Right. So they have the most insights on what is like, what makes sense to spend their money on as you start getting into a or you know, outside of out of that. You you start to get a little bit fuzzier as far as what are things worth compared to what I what am I paying for it? And now you have to have a CEO with even more insight globally compared to just like, I know how to run this business, and I know how to spend money in this business and get good returns on it. So and then lets you talked about buybacks, I have a little bit of a different view on buybacks. I think a lot of people that I've I've come across. I think that that buybacks are should be thought of in a little bit more holistic sense. You have the the Henry singleton Teledyne style of buybacks that are. He would buy back when things when his stock was incredibly cheap now as an investor that is very creative for you. If you're one of the remaining shareholders, but if you had if you're one of the selling shareholders, you actually kind of got robbed, and you and the company kind of robbed you in a way, I think that the capitalism and CEO's can do a better service for humanity. If they try to keep their their price as close to the intrinsic value as possible of the company, so that incoming outgoing shareholders people who need liquidity or people that wanna be investors are roughly treated the same. And so when you have two big of a dislocation between price and intrinsic value that the CEO's taking advantage of, you know, that's it's kinda great from a investor standpoint like when they're buying back super cheap. But the people who are scared were selling at that point or they needed liquidity. And you don't know why you're your shareholders need liquidity. What if they have like they need a major surgery or what if they need like there's a really important charity that they wanna fund like you have an obligation. I think as a steward of capital to provide your your shareholders with a at least a reasonable exit price. If that's what they wanna do. And so if you're chiseling them too hard when when they're everyone's afraid that to me is actually not being as good as Stewart of capital as you could be. I think I understand that at at at the private business level where there's no market, and you're my partner, and you want out and the business has capital. And we kind of arrive at something that we feel is has integrity for both of us. And we're good to go. Right. Yeah. But in the public markets as an example say that berkshires at roughly two hundred right now so buff, it seems to be buying it around one eightyish and. And let's say the there's a big a big market drop in the end. Berkshire does what is done a done on a regular basis dropped fifty percent? So now, we got Berkshire one hundred are you saying that buffet would be acting improperly to take Berkshire capital and vice stock there. I wouldn't say it's improper, but I would say that anything that he could do to keep the price in intrinsic value is close together will give his will give both incoming and outgoing and remaining shareholders the ferris shake on an entire kind of holistic view to think it may be what he would it help. If he said, look, this is so cheap. If it stays here. We're going to be buying it something like that least heads up. Telegraph it. Yeah. I think that's a nice way to to at least let your partners know who winner they when if they're thinking about. If they're thinking about selling, at least, they have some idea that you know, who's going to be buying on the other end. And if it's the company, then, you know, you, you know, that you're, you know, maybe hopefully not getting taken advantage of too much Jake. This has been fantastic. I'd love to spend another hour to view to would you. Can we do it again? Yeah. Absolutely. Whenever you want to talk. I'm bailable I feel like you're talking about conscious capitalism without quite naming at that. But about that same thing. Yeah. Like thinking about the stakeholders in a business, but not for the reason of like, oh, let's all be altruistic for the reason of that's what's best for the business. And that's what's best for the people who are invested in this business. It's what's best for the people buying the burgers. That Cudi burger? And it's what's best for the people who are working there. And when everybody is joined in that goal of business can rise beyond what it would have. Otherwise, I think that's the miracle of capitalism. Really is that it gets us all on the same page and cap done. Well is good for the investors. It's good for the management. It's good for the customers. And it's good for the environment. At the end of the day. If we're if we're not building projects that end up being things that no one. She wants that's very wasteful. So it that is really I think the true amazing thing about capitalism is that when it's really done. Well, we it puts us all on the same page and kind of pulling on the same rope. It's been raining so much from you because as you know, accounting is not my forte. Exactly. And this is such a good way for me to learn in such an interesting way about how the numbers support the multiple bottom line. And that is very interesting to me. So you guys got this. We we sort of jumped on the book because it was about Charlie without about Warren, and and about investing, and I'll tell you what if you're interested in starting your own business. If you're entrepreneur, if you're thinking about anything to do with allocating your own capital, you need to buy this book. It's fantastic. And you should read it. I appreciate that. I actually I wrote it more for the small business person or the maybe the future leadership and not so much even for investors. There's just because I feel like. I love investing. And it's you know, it's something that's my passion. But at the end of the day like the world is a better place when we have people making good decisions within businesses and not so much in my making the right decision as a deciding to own it, you know, as you know, buying stock or not. Hundred percent. And at the back of the book, Jake has a checklist for all of you business owners and entrepreneurs out there, and it's it's phenomenal. He put a lot of time and effort into that and lighted. Have you come back? And let's talk about the checklist man mention that because it is you Chand stick. Yeah. It really is. If you wanna checklist, you just skip the book and read the check check. Sense though, if you don't read the book. Read the book. Jake. Thank you very much for being with us for talking to you. Again, you guys both is called rebel allocators. It's available on Amazon only Amazon Jake or anywhere else. Yeah. Amazon only both digital and print. And actually, they'll be an audible version available pretty soon, which I found this this super talented voice actor who does all the voices in the story. And so it really brings it to life. I'm super excited about it. Awesome. Rebel allocators by Jake Taylor. Go grab it. Thank you so much for being here. Jake, actually, they're having me. Actually, they're having me dime to go play seeing guys. Thanks for listening to it. If you enjoyed this episode, you want more information, including show, notes and more episodes. Visit us at invested podcasts dot com. 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We had this on the schedule for awhile. It came out thirty years ago this week and I was thinking over the weekend. Who would be the perfect person to celebrate all the things that are just ridiculous about this movie and lovable then I was like. Oh, remember, I bet remember likes this movie and. And. To nobody's surprise. You're like, yeah. I love that movie. And I really want to have the Wesley Snipes conversation. We've been ready to have my whole life. Let's start there. Actually, let's start with the Snipes a science this nights a science. I'm so I have so many one of the big things about this just dislike dive right into it is even before we get into the run that he had this this kind of started. Is Wesley Snipes the best. Actor athlete ever. Well, I have some disturbing revelations free later in this podcast. I'm just I was thinking athleticism. Okay. Oh, man. The anti already know. But I don't wanna step on the steps of science. But I'm telling you the answer is. No. So I mean, actually, let me let me rephrase that his is. He the best actor does. He have the best sheet of athlete roles. How about the the best sheet of of roles where he's moving. Yes. Okay. Then we can include passenger fifty seven, and we all you money chained. And he it's funny. I had Spike Lee on the podcast like six weeks ago, and we're talking about John, David Washington. And I was saying how I felt like John David Washington, the Wesley Snipes kind of I seven year IMDB run was sitting there for him because he's athletic. He could be inaction guy you'd be sports movie guy. He could be the cop and a cop movie. He's funny. Yeah. And it it really luminated. How rare the the kind of Snipes phenomenon is where he could be the bad guy in the fugitive remake he could be in Money Train. He could be Weltman can jump. He could be Willie Mays as he could be the guy saving the plane in pasture. Fifty seven. This is not a lot of actors like that. Which is why we're talking about the types of science. Yeah. I I mean, I think he is like absolutely incredible in this movie. Like, he like, he like his character is a character who, you know, think. The world of himself. But also is like super happy to be here. Yeah. Which is also kind of where Wesley was as an actor in his real life. And I feel like, but he also knew like Wesley Snipes. Was was actually like you. I'm about to be a hall of Famer same way, Willie Mays Hayes. It's like excuse me. While I start my run to the hall of fame. Like, it's it's it's a beautiful after real life merger. It was a lot of charisma and a lotta swagger, and it is funny that this was his first major role because it was very similar. He just shows up on the scene. He's like, hi, I'm a Manela's star. Now, wait who are you? So from nineteen eighty nine to ninety five this is his IMDB run. And there's only a couple there's only one movie that I don't really remember what happens in major league king of New York, which is the one I I saw thirty years ago. But I don't remember it outset movie motivator blues. Yeah. New Jack city, which has has stood the test of time. We'll say that jungle fever the water dance, which is actually a really good movie. White men can't jump passenger fifty seven best. He bangs out all those in a five and a half year spin. That's wild. And like you could it's the type of thing where like the the five year span is incredible. But he's like pretty strong right up to blade like he's still has gadget man and Money Train and murder at sixteen hundred which is like a Denzel movie that he got to play. But oh, yeah. Well, his next five movies after pasture fifty seven. We're boiling point rising sun, demolition, man. Sugarhill Money Train, not awful, not able like apex types. But still not like the worst run in the world. I saw those movies for like all that happened before blade. Yeah. Like, that's that's incredible. Because like all that happened in then he got a trilogy. Well, he also, you know, we're talking about when you talk about the action here championship belt and the legacy of action movies in all that stuff for whatever reason why I guess we could come up with one of the reasons but black people were not the stars of action movies. And you had action Jackson was basically the only. One of the eighties. And it's funny that it took seven movies until they gave him passenger fifty seven when it's so obvious that should have been green lit the moment. He was Willie Mays as like, all right? Can we have this guy? Save something now since I've been more movies. Yeah. The other thing I really like is that in the first ten minutes. Serano played by Dennis Hays bird, incredible interest. The movie looking like blade. I wonder Wesley was like, you know, I love that. Look, you gotta do that one t founded away. What are the great things about him in this movie? And I feel the same way about Charlie Sheen. Who's also incredible in this movie? They're not in it a lot. They're not in as much as I kind of want them to be in it, which is why when there every seen that they're in it. You're just excited that it's a it's it's really base as again. Oh, cool. It's Charlie Sheen. Yeah, you're right. It's doled out, very carefully. They're able to pull moments in this movie where I'm like, I haven't seen Charlotte's sheen like fifteen minutes year there. Well, we'll we'll get to later the the biggest flaw of this movie, which took away some screen time for those guys. But Snipes was thing we just out of curiosity. What what it? What was the number one Snipes character for you from that night eighty nine and ninety five run the legendary Snipes Assange run new Jack city like that's where I am too. Like for some reason new Jackson. I mean, this is so blasphemous to say, but like for some reason new Jack city lives in the same part of my brain, Malcolm X. Even though Nino Brown is like the worst version of Malcolm X. Yeah. Well, like, I mean, the rooftop scene. I think is is one of the seven or eight most memorable scenes of that entire generation of movie it holds up. So that movie like it feels like it's seven hours long. Oh my God. Like, it's in for a movie to for role to hole up more than white men. Can't jump which is like the like a perfect movie for me. Like, I just he was he was incredible. It's also interesting that during the same era that his career is is blossoming and taking off in a major way Denzel careers. Also taking off a Boston man major way. Yeah. And they were never at conflict. It was almost like a like a Jordan in Pippen type IM BA situation. There's never there's a movie out of those eight. Eight where you would have said, you know, what we really needed Denzel for that one. I mean, that's true new Jack city would have been really interesting. If he's if he's the lead Denzel other than that. I mean, Denzel in white men can't jump. I I don't know if I would have bought it. He's almost like too famous. Now, I think like I feel like Denzel hadn't like Denzel doesn't isn't doesn't work for new Jack city like he's not debt like evil like from like a sense now like, you know, there's just I feel like Denzel. You don't believe Denzel is like a bad guy until he gets older. I don't think he could have pulled off the outfit. It would have seemed like like dressing up as a bad guy. Whereas was his type it all seemed like any movie he's in it all seems like close he would've actually worn. No, I don't need to go to. Silence. Yeah. Tell me what color you need me in. But by the same token, like I wouldn't have wanted to see was Snipes in in Malcolm X or Philadelphia. Now, I might have wanted as what was the movie with John Lithgow that that would virtuosity? No, Russell Crowe. And I forget about virtuosity one of those action movies Snipes could have easily been in. But he he's really great. He's really cares Matic and they drink ricochet. There. Just hasn't really been anybody who is filled this specific type of actor kind of turf since which is why I think John David washed. I don't know if he's funny enough. But I mean, he's I mean, he's got like really good comedic timing when he's policies funny. Yeah. And when he's pretending to be especially over the phone in black clansmen when he's pretending to be a white guy. Like, he's he's hysterical. He's got it easy. But he's more deadpan funny for me. Maybe there's another side. We haven't seen yet Snipes like the white men can't jump because he's a terrible basketball player that will be they have to do a lot of slow MO and a lot of whatever. But he's the charisma that he had was really great. So all right. So we love Cyprus. There's a Charlie Sheen run that are going to have to talk about. Charlie Sheen from eighty six to eighty nine. It's it's pretty epic. I gotta say Lucas fair spew platoon, Wall Street, young guns, eight men out major league that's in four years and how he liked did not stop actor now. And and I like all those movies, and and he's really really good and really really likable in major league. He's he's probably those two characters are my favorite characters in the movie. And he really does seem like a baseball player. And then in the research it comes out like he could throw eighty five he wanted to play professional baseball took stare hurts to get his fastball for the movie, which is basic. Did he talk about that in like later like he did? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's my research. And he's just really great as Wild Thing. Say this one of my favorite sports movie characters where do you stand now that we have all the Charlie Sheen? Baggage. I mean, I I look at him. And I it's weird that in the beginning of the movie, I forget that like he becomes someone that I'm rooting for you because he's such like an early movie, dick and just like, you know, the punk vibe everything, but he becomes I like, my big take on this movie is that it's got like the one of the strongest fourth quarters of any film. No questions the first hour this movie, it's kind of like so like, what's the point of this movie? Like, you know, just kind of drags. There's not a lot of baseball. It's just like a lot of it's fine. But not really until you get to the point when they like when the coach tells them about what the owners plan is. Yeah. And and they've like, okay, we got to win the whole fucking thing. Yeah. That's when the movie becomes like, an all time, classic and woods twenty. I think that's why it's a rewatch -able because you know, in the old school way watching TV, we're flipping channels if you came into this movie about sixty percent in and that part was just about to come up. There's no way you're not watching it. If like, oh, cool. They're about to go on and run. Okay. You're completely right. And I think that's the way I saw a lot. Because when I went to go rewatch that I hadn't seen it in years. But when I went to go rewatching it I was like wait win. Is it happen? Like United make up. What happens in majorly? It took a minute for really going. But once it gets going, it's incredible. And she I mean, we know we're going to talk about like what scene, but you know, that last the game against the Yankees. It's just incredible. I mean, yeah. The first hour there's just a lot of Jake Taylor. Trying to win Rene Russo back like way. Creep. Oh that's coming up too. The the other one we talked about for. I am Debbie Reynolds. Who's the other big star this movie, Tom Barringer? Do I always felt like was like I was like to compare the IMDB in the actor careers to basketball players. Yeah. It's like I said the Moncrieff type of career for him in the eighties like way better than anybody realized it's going to take him way longer to get into the hall of fame, then it should. But then if you actually look at the resume, he's one of the signature actors of the eighties. He has the big chill. Eddie and the cruisers put tune someone to watch over me with released God shoot to kill major league. Born on the fourth of July and a seven-year run as pretty great Sydney Moncrieff is the perfect comparison point because like the amount that I know about Barringer is the amount than I know about Moncrieff, which is like I have seven basketball cards of his I never saw him play. Yeah. Well, he was best the second best to guard of the eighties. He might actually he was the best to guard of the eighties and. Just kind of disappeared embarrassing same way. This great run all of a sudden he was like on cheers for a little bit. And then became like a character actor, but he was a leading guy. He's great in the Big Joe in training day. Right. Didn't you know, he he has a whole character actor run after he was in sniper is a Wraith Bartholomew favorite low. Also, tell me 'cause I put bearing her and Corbin Bernsen kinda together. Because like, I know he was also like I never saw LA law read so LA law, but I know people loved LA law. Yeah. So there was this the legacy of whatever the best TV drama was you know, what you go back to like Saint elsewhere early eighties, and he'll stroke, actually, when hillstreet blues Saint elsewhere LA law and LA law had the crown for like I'm gonna say like four or five years, and then it eventually became NYPD blue in ER and then west wing and all those shows, but LA law was like the. The show for three or four years in. He was like the kind of dick playboy wasn't like practice like that level type of show. And you know, this guy had a history or this person. And this person shouldn't have done that. And they're all actors, but it's very dated like it's very very eighties. And he's he kinda belongs to that air. This is where new apex mountain later. This is he had LA law in this movie the same time, it never got better for corporate Burson this. This was this was the the legitimate all-time. Impac. So this movie. It was made by David ward. A lifelong Cleveland Indians fan who actually won an Oscar. He wrote the sting so he had some juice. Oh, wow. Yeah. And he thought the only way he was ever gonna see the Indians actually win. Anything was if he made a sports movie about them. So he put a lot of time and thought into it the the movie was partially partially inspired by the Minnesota Twins owner Calvin Griffith who in the nineteen seventies. When he was trying to make the Metrodome stadium negotiated for an escape clause in the team's lease which said if the team's home attendance was under one point four million per season for three straight years, they could be released from its contract and leave Minnesota and he actually let good players leave. He actually actually did tank and investors did by the team and they almost moved into move to Tampa. And then a local guy bought the team in saved it. So. This actually happened which I had no idea. Did you know that cool? I like that. And so he writes a script he bakes he based all the characters on different baseball players. He liked like Serano is based on the allu- brothers, which was supposedly superstitious Willie Mays. Hayes is based on Ricky Henderson so on and so on rates descript desert, Charlie Sheen's words, though, when I saw the script it wasn't like catnip. It was like crack it was probably as good a script as platoon seriously. Kerley. She'd compay major linked to put to. That guy's got a lot of drugs. Incredible. So. Wow. So anyway, great script and everybody wanted to do it and tune but baseball, and then one of the hooks was you know, he was with Barringer impotent in the studio wanted to get both of them, and it was like a reunion with obviously a lot happier terms. The movie was made for eleven million gross. Nearly fifty million in domestic release eighty two on rotten tomatoes is it higher or lower than you wanted it to be. You know, what I think I think it's I think it should be around eighty six. Eighty eight. Our friend. Roger Ebert who takes a beating on here time the time. He gave major league to one and a half stars which I thought was fair. I could not find. His ranking for major league one for some reason he did not review it sparingly. If he did review it I can find it. Okay. The other ones are not that good major league two's ref. It's a it's it's kinda one of those. I'm okay with it happened. I've watched it a few times. I would also be okay. If it never happened and not having Wesleyan major league too. Is you know, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. I would say rough on. All right. It's time for the nominees for most rewatch -able seen presented by sling. Tv if you need to refresh your memory of the nominated scenes for major league, which will get tuna second or prep from next week's rewatch -able field of dreams. Oh, my cat home. My Lord Malloch Ruben is going to be on that. And I'm making her cry. I'm just telling you now that's going to be a good one. Look no further than sling TV sling has both movies in their deep lab array of new and classic movies. Current shows, of course, live sports watching your TV phone or tablet whenever and wherever. Sling has broken the traditional TV bundle. Customize your channel at it. From one month next watch what you want when you want where you want. 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Yeah, I like the spring training the first day montage when we meet all the guys was a sniper over sleeps. And and then we see they got different guys doing and Charlie Sheen. You know, his fastball going all over the place. I just enjoy it. I like I as spring training. Montage is actually wish we had a little more spring training in this all of a sudden it was like, you know, who's gonna make the team or not red tagged is great the red tag in the locker cho- booth the steak Corbin the Roger Dohrn playing a prank on on Wild Thing and put in the red tag and his lacquer them flipping out. All of that is great. I don't know. Do you think they really did read tag day in real life because it seems a little farfetched it seems a little absurd? But I I mean rewatching it in kind of you know, it's super fun to rewatch move. You haven't seen since in like a decade in full because I kind of forgot. Who was getting cut? 'cause I was there outside of the main characters like there was some actual tension. Yeah. Which I liked it was I mean is a good good good plot point. I liked it up by my one thing with the spring training is I also love it. But the the combination of like, the really like circus music that they have going on here less the manager just doing that thing where he just insults every player. It's like it's it's kind of amazing but coming out of that like gruff like I smoked thirty five Marlboro reds. Yeah. Like voice it actually plays it hits. Well, so I also like a spring training. We're gonna talk about him later. But let's just say he's very well cast. I don't have another rewatch -able seen until the screw the owner. Let's do this montage when the manager gets ever earned together. It's it's it's not a chill scene. But it's close where you know, the team kinda just comes together. And it's like fuck us. Let's let's win the pennant. I can't believe she's doing this. Serano Homer in the egg. So the Yankee game four the whole year the entire Yankee game might be them rewatch -able seen. But if we're going to split it up Sorrento's homers. Great he did it in real life. He actually really did hit the Homer hose shit. And then he runs around the basis with his bat, which I think is absolutely the most underrated part of this movie. I literally wrote at the top of my sheet. Like why does anyone let go of their bad after? Like, honestly like talking about chills. Like, this isn't supposed to be a chills moment when he comes around second and just like pumps his bat to the entire crowd as he's going to third. I'm like that's the coolest thing I've ever seen in baseball history. So you think you think like Jean Jean Carlos Stanton should just do this. Because he's so jacked he's like holding thing that's big for most people like like, it's a sausage link. Yeah. And he's it it literally looks like I would go to war with him. If he had a bat, and he was running. I I love that's the I'm kind of pissed that it never caught on that seems great. The big Homer. They're down to nothing. They need some magic. So we got that one while things last walked to the mound Wild Thing. Coming out of the bullpen and the crowd losing their fucking mind and singing Wild Thing and that whole walk. Hey, Chris Burton? That seems just awesome. And it's legitimate because they packed Milwaukee county stadium with like thirty thousand people and filmed that scene like two or three times and Charlie Sheen was saying it was like the greatest moment of his life. Like walking out of the bullpen. Like, he's ready to run through a wall. It's really well, filmed and. It's just really love it. And then the next one. So I don't know if you group this together, not but then him striking out clue Haywood. Yeah. On three pitches. Just gassing up one. Oh, one kid the. Yeah. But that seems really well filmed, and what you know, what am I obviously, I love sports movies probably more than any other human being on the planet. Baseball pitchers. It's so hard to find an actor who could throw a baseball. And there's only been a couple, you know. And this is the big flaw bull Durham and Charlie Sheen's, actually a really good convincing pitcher because he was and he's throwing you know in the high eighties. They changed the man they made the mound fifty feet instead of sixty. So it seemed like he was even faster than the pitching. And it just seems like a hundred percent legitimate. All of it. It really does seem like he's this firebombing hundred bound our reliever who's striking out the best Yankee rates. So also another reason that scene is so good is that Heywood is an actual is actual baseball player. The. The the actor yet the way he spits. Yeah. I'm like he has to be a baseball player like an actor will never know how to spit as well as a baseball player, and it looks like it's so a shot. So well, I love you know, that you know, that guy won the Cy Young, right? Yeah. Gurvich? Yeah now. Yeah. So he was just a huge pitcher. I think he added on some weight after his career because it looks. I mean, he looks like a like a professional wrestler. So that k was great. And then the the actual ending with the bunt that the Willie Mays scoring from second Tom Barringer pointing to left field. And then doing the running bunt the slow motion of him running down, the baseline all that the Willie Mays crossing home plate, and then jumping in every is all that's really well found it's like a legitimate show scene. It's really good. What did I miss any rewatch -able scenes? Would you have added anything? Yeah. You the one that? I would have added was I love the AmEx commercial. Szeswith it. So you're looking for some Billy clubs apply for that little green homerun heater. Look what it's done for us. People still don't recognize us. But. We're contenders. Now. The American Express card don't still home without it ending with Willie Mays. Hayes sliding and saying don't steal home without it. That's incredible. But for me like I can't talk about this movie without discussing the fact that my favorite television show of all time is twenty four. Oh, yeah. Like, this is so wild to watch. But also in in the AmEx commercial. It's like you hear the AllState shit. He literally sounds like he's selling insurance. And I'm like, wow. This is like it's incredible like crossover. Yeah. Yeah. It's a double crossover, but he's doing in his in his accent that I would love to talk about it, something, you know. What's funny? If American Express just released that as a commercial just randomly just put that into like a final four game as an American Express commercial people lose their fucking minds. Yeah. That'd be incredible. They should done that for the thirty th anniversary. You're right. Most rewatch -able scene for you. What's the answer? My so. Yeah, it's it's obviously from that game. I I had it. I had it from I had it to large. I basically had like the game. It was just like which is forty five minutes. But no, I think it's from. I think it's from the home run to the strikeout honestly like from Serano some run. Yeah. That that is and those are pretty close together. So I guess we could cheat and say that's one big thing. I'm okay with that. The one thing I will say is the the final Jake Taylor's at bat. It's so good. Because I forgot that. He didn't it a home run. Yeah. I forgot that he bunted. That's I actually I had that for what's age the best. One of the what stage is the best for me is. It was just really smart to do that. And not have them hit the home run. Yeah. And I'm always impressed that I watched that movie that that it's like, oh, they they actually swerved on that one. He doesn't hit a home run does a frigging bunt. Yeah. As this like another side one like, I just love I do love. This movie has really good slow MO. Yeah. And I love the opening slow MO of Willie Mays Hayes in the pajamas. Oh, yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. Looking like like looking a lot like Mahar Sheila. I noticed. That's a good one. It's like a lot like it. Yeah. I like that. But yeah, it's got to be the game. So. Yeah. All right. So what's age the best? I have a bunch of stuff for this the opening credits that just capture how depressing Cleveland as Cleveland's a little less depressing now, but not one hundred percent less depressing day, really really hammered home. There's just a lot of smog and factories spitting out spoke, sad bars and empty streets. It's very well done. So I have that the cast is great. It's really really really well cast Snipes sheen Barringer Corbin Bernsen. Dennis Hays Burt who nobody had ever really heard of till that point the owner played by Margaret Whitton, which became her defining role the manager James Gammon sports movie hall. Famer Chelsea Ross we're gonna get him a little bit as Harris. They just hit and Rene Russo in her first movie, just I would say nine and a half out of ten with casting in this. And they cast it really good. Actual baseball players. Yeah. They actually gave a shit about that which refresh eight. Yeah, they didn't like that didn't bring the movie down. Even even Serano really seemed like a realistic. I could see him in the league for twelve years with a lot of homers and a lot of strikeouts. Yeah. Had like two hundred twelve home runs. Yeah. And and a million strike outs. I think young Charlie Sheen has aged really. Well, just because it's like, oh once upon a time I like that guy. Yeah. Bob euchre as the lifelong local radio hack is has aged just wonderfully because number one exists all over the place. Yeah. Especially NBA league pass. There's there's twenty Bob euchre's Foti route in these different cities. But it's just that was a great character. He's great knit. I don't know what the balances to in real life and him pretending to be like that. What do you think it was like fifty fifty? I feel like a seventy thirty. Ninety ted. He's awesome. We'll get him in a little bit. I like the day to day aspect of a baseball season from the players and fans perspective at that. Even for a short movie, it captured it well kind of Edmund flow of spring training and who's on the team this year. Oh, man. We suck way. Things are coming together. Uh-huh. Something's happening. Like does a nice job in those checkpoints. I'm still in this from Dannon Kelly who wrote about major league couple of years ago for the ringer. He he thought it aged really nicely. Cleveland's pre moneyball strategy moneyball is still fifteen years away of going after guys who were good at one thing. So Hayes for speed Joe boo for power von for philosophy Taylor's defensive prowess. This became a thing. Fifteen years later so way ahead of the way ahead of their time. The Indians it's also it's also just like a really good like often used sports thing where I. In in like, the Mighty Ducks movies. Like, there's like the dude who super fast, but doesn't know how to stop, you know, like, there's always the thing. Like, they're good at one thing. But you have a fatal flaw. Yeah. It's a good way to bring together like a rag tag group of people. Yeah. Ragtag good work James Gammon as the as the manager. Lou Lou Brown. Perfect. There's so there's been a lot written about this movie. There's a lot of like oral histories in anniversary pieces and stuff like that. And one of the recurring themes is that James Gammon extremely fun guy to hang out with last guy at the bar. Yeah. People constantly amazed that he showed up for work. The next day is like one of those guys I love reading about actors like that. But he like the personification in. You're not gonna believe this but him and Charlie Sheen really hit it off. I know it's hard to figure in eighty nine. You're not gonna believe this. But they they met spent a few nights together, but he's just like the booze the booze and cigarettes are just coming off him. Yeah. I mean, I I'm obsessed with him. Like, he feels like the type of dude who just like has a lot of friends who are cops. Right. Like like, it's like the one guy who like hangs out at the bar and the guy you'd ask if you wanted to have somebody killed he would know somebody who can do it. Yeah. I think he, but he's also like I like the first version of his character. But then when the movie turns that corner, and he has that scene where he's like talking about how the team has a lot of potential. Yeah. It's like it's like surprisingly moving. Where he's like he like he really believes in this team. Bob, LA like, I I love that. He kinda tapped into some, you know, some some Ernest vulnerability outside of just being like SCRUFF in everything. Yeah. If I was a consultant on this movie, I probably would have thrown away one of the seven Tom Barringer Rene Russo scenes in added the scene where he's James gammons in the dugout kind of watching a game. And yeah, you kind of feel feel him going over that little hump of actually believe in these guys. 'cause when he says that it's kind of out of nowhere. There's there sixty and sixty one there's no evidence. There's a good team. All we've seen is like mishaps guys running in each other. Like, you know, what we could win the pennant. It's like what? What's the evidence? Where that come from. He's like I saw I saw God catch two straight balls. We're gonna win the we've went to in a row, I think we've got this. So yeah, I would have said that a better another thing that's age the best the it captures some of the fun baseball stuff from the day to day like. You know, like like Eddie Harris the rule bending the Vagit. So on his on his chest. The weird superstitions born out Joe, boo. And you know, the rum and all that the the drama and guys fucking somebody else's wife, and all of it feels very baseball in realistic to me another would sage the best the Yankees villains in one thousand nine hundred nine a little controversial. They hadn't had the best decade the had lost their luster as the evil empire and major league. Just single handedly tried to bring it back, which I really appreciated. Yeah. Does when that when this happens do they have to get the Yankees permission? I think so. Yeah, I think baseball was probably excited that somebody was doing a movie because they have use the uniforms. They gotta do. Yeah. They filmed in a couple of different parks to like you see Fenway at one point. So they definitely like Charlie Sheen strikes out somebody's definitely Fenway park. So they they definitely moved around. And then the other thing Charlie Sheen is a pitcher we talked about earlier. So there's. Neural history that Sports Illustrated about this movie earlier in the decade. And she said, I had a great arm. I was just born with it I played at Santa Monica high. But because the academics shit, they pulled me off the team always on brand Charlie Sheen, and then Barringer said berringer's catching him. He said Charlie was great the first day. He started throwing two being nine of his first ten pitches were on the edge of the strike zone. That's how much control he had Charlie shade. Who knew Charlie Sheen a better athlete than Wesley Snipes? Yeah. I mean who knew so did I miss anything? What else does age the best for you? So I've got to weird woods. But just like I love the world of like managers having like absurd hunches, go, right? I'm upset like there's like he shouldn't have put in Charlie Sheen. Now, I'm just gonna throw it out there. Like just know even within the Yankee game. Yeah. Just that world of just saying I got a hunch like I loved the grizzled old manager hunt is the best. It's like it's like hitting cop movies. It's the same thing. Where the cost like, I got a hunch. She's going to be at that bar. Yeah. I'm like why there's a lot of like. But why do you feel that way? But anyway, I love that. I this movie reminds me that and I would love your opinion on this. Like, I think like worst to first works best in base in baseball. It's the most realistic is the most realistic, but in the NBA, but it also like I feel baseball not being my number. One movie is my favorite is my number one. Movie exports type movie to watch it's your lease. It's not your favorite sport. But it's your favorite sports movie. Yeah. Because I I think stadium shots are more dramatic in amazing in baseball stadiums versus a court or a football field this one especially but also just like I think it holds up in. In what I didn't even realize was just like an era like a like a eight year era of classic baseball movies. Oh, yeah. They're a lot. Like, I was I was literally I didn't even ten year. But yeah from bull Durham field of dreams league of their own sandlot rookie of the year. Angels in the outfield, the national like that's all that's in like eight movies. And I mean, eight years we just like pretty wild. Because I can't imagine to baseball movies coming out and consecutive years right now field of dreams. Yeah. Natural started in eighty four. And then I you could count naked gun actually at eighty six thirty seven because that's kind of like a twenty minute baseball scene. That's really funny. My I think just like baseball magic has aged super well like the baseball magic aspect of. Of a team going worse. I really works in this movie. You know, it's funny as you mentioned that that was the first thing all those movies have a couple of the scenes that are almost like Staples. Where the teams the rag tag teams just not doing well early in. There's always like the pop up or the three guys collide. And the you know the ground or of somebody's face the not top ten music happening in the background strike out. The guy getting thrown out at second base. Like, they hit all these beats. And then when things turn around. There's always the catch where somebody skills the wall. It's I it's almost like mandatory in a baseball film. It's like somebody's got to scale the wall and pull him back. All right. So I'm going to say for what's age the best for me. I'm gonna say Bob euchre because my that was my number one. He's incredible. Because not only is he great in the movie and not enjoy him in nineteen eighty nine when I saw this movie. But now when you see the local radio announcer hacks or the local TV hacks. These lifelong dudes you'd never know if they're sober. They're just they'll do anything to sell the narrative for the good narrative for the team. And it's just hard to separate any of them from Bob euchre. Yeah. His shadow looms over all of them one other one because I have had the opposite for what's of the worst. But the use of the word fuck in this movie is fantastic. We should have put that in our rating is crucial. There's a couple of good, motherfuckers. Oh, yeah. Where did they know nudity other than like in the locker room? But but yeah, there's some really good swearing in this movie. Yeah. That was the reason the reason I was always so obsessed with this movie is like was because this was the sports movie. I wasn't allowed to watch it. It's it's it's a very smart hook in a in an era of lots of little giants. Yeah. And satellite, lots of like movie, lots of sports movies aimed at kids and young teams. Like, this was the one that I could I didn't watch until I went to a sleepover. All right, then I got obsessed with it. What's age the worst, Charlie Sheen? He's aged terribly. Who's who's sage worse, the Charlie Sheen? Nobody, wow, it's just hard to separate all the Charlie Sheen baggage from this. And unfortunately, you almost have to approach it like it's just a completely different human being. Two black guys on the Indians total. They couldn't they couldn't messed around with that couldn't have had like six two black people in the entire state. It is this is one of the way to movies ever made ever. But it sounds like they made this in one thousand nine hundred fifty two were Pleasantville. Age the worst all the euchre imitators in future sports movies. Oh, yeah. Where they were like that character worked with try to have her own version the Bob euchre thing, and it's really never worked ever. This is this is a very unique success story. This hurts Wesley Snipes running. Yeah. Just just lay it on me like. I hate doing this to you. You did it you've done it to me many times. So I just like just go. This is one of the worst things I've done for you. All of Wesley Snipes renting scenes were shown in slow motion to give the impression that he was running faster than they actually was because the director said the dirty secret was widely steps wasn't fast. Oh my God. Yeah. And once I once I did the research before I watched the movie again. It really hurts the movie because I couldn't unseat it. And anytime he ran I was just like, wow was Snipes is in fast mowing on Hayes. He's you see his running style. Like, he's just on fast. Like there's this play on. In baseball history. Billy Hamilton is the fastest guy in the league. He's scored from second on a on a four hundred foot sacrifice fly ball, and he's so fast. And then I watch was steps three hours later who's supposed to be like the Billy Hamilton of this movie. That's like, oh, like your appendages are all moving in different directions. Like, he it's hard to NC. I apologize. Yeah. That's I don't I don't love. It gets worse. David word also said was was not a very skilled baseball player in real life hadn't really played and was so awful at throwing a baseball that they did not include any scenes of him throwing the ball. It was nice. It's just like a nerdy theater. Kid. He might be like like day to day Lewis or somebody. I don't know. Because he's also a bad basketball player like kind of famously they had to teach them how to play basketball, which leads to the question was Wesley Snipes of bad athlete. I was going to do this for unanswerable questions. But I think it's actually answerable we have this director saying they couldn't include scenes of him throwing a baseball. I really set myself up by starting this podcast. Wesley. They had to show off as reading seeds in slow motion to make it seem like he was fast. So there's one scene where they show him stealing home where they show him in full speed. I encourage you to watch that again. 'cause man, let's just say this. He's not flying. He's he's that sipping down the third baseline fun. Fact, it's not shot in slow motion. That's real unfortunately that. Another woods age. The worst this quote from kurban Bernsen Corbin Bernsen. This is also going to really hurt your feelings a couple years after major league I saw Wesley. I said, hey, man, they're gonna make major league too. And he was like you're going to do that. And I thought well how quickly they forgot he'd become Wesley Snipes. That rubbed me the wrong way. Wow. Wow. Tough tough for this types of science. We're going to get through this though. I still love was names. But yeah, yeah. I mean, he just thought he was bigger than major league. And and that's why Omar Epps was cast as Willie Mays Hayes. You could argue might have been better casting since he was actually getting athlete. Yeah. Also like, I think there's a little Nino in Wesley. So I'm not that's impressed yet carbon Berza killed right after the coven. So I think Omar Epps is actually my sports movie hall of fame. I mean, I'm kind of glad it happened. Because that helped out someone I love who is Omar Epps Omar Epps had he's the track star in higher learning. He's the kind of Alvin Kamara type running back in the program. He's Willie Mays Hayes and is in love and basketball where he makes the NBA legendary. I mean to me he's into sports movie, Michael Jordan, and then ten years later, he became Mike Tomlin events. That he actually became the coach of the Steelers. So that edge terribly. All right. We gotta talk about this Jake Taylor Rene Rousso relationship. I've never been less invested in anything. It's it is. For all the what age the worst that? We've done in the rewatch was this is way up there. I have no idea why we're supposed to care about the relationship. It seems thrown in we find out that they broke up because he cheated on her with a stewardess one. And then to she threw a surprise birthday party for him that he didn't show up at and then somebody served him with paternity papers at the party, which cast a pall over the party. So I wanna would she get back together with him at this point. We had to like damaging facts. Yeah. Also, like, they it was just the penetre. It didn't even win the World Series. Right. It's like I feel like I feel like she really jumped the gun. I also just I can't I feel like she was like headed to like a really steady nice life. And I just think it's a man this nice wealthy lawyer at a nice apartment seemed like a nice guy. She could just be a librarian. I'll wait until we do quotes. So my theory and this is Jake Taylor. Huge penis really Hon like really really well endowed, and she just had she couldn't couldn't shake it. So the other part of this what shavers Jay tailored kind of Stocker. Oh, not not not kind of. He like he sees her at the restaurant. And does this contrived calls her from another phone in the restaurant, and then interrupts her date, and is super creepy? He follows her to her place of employment at the library after she gives them the wrong phone number. So she'll never call her again falls sort of the library, anyway, then just shows up at her boyfriend's dinner party falls are this place and just goes into the party. It's a party of eight people just walks in not invited. And then her at the baseball game follows her home in the bullpen car leading to the immortal quote from her. Did you follow me again? Jay, Taylor stalker. What am I invested in this relationship? Why the reason it's so messed up is because it has set a terrible precedent, which is that it should work like that it worked. Yeah. Like this. This opened the door for a generation of movies talking. Yeah. I mean, we had this and say anything to there was this whole generation of movie stockers. Very strange, and I have no idea whether I got back together it which leads me to the other would say, it's the worst the freeze frame, ending great chill seen awesome. Then he sees her in the stands she comes out in the field. He picks her up, and then everybody kind of kind of kind of closes in around them and she holds her up. And then they freeze frame it. Like, she's part of this thing. It's like you. You were barely in the movie. Why are you in this? No one knows her. Yeah. Who are you better like twice? Yes. So what's age the worst for you? Those are some great candidates. Those great candidates. I have a couple one. I'm not. I mean, I don't want to I want to put respect on David s words name because he wrote the sting great. I'm not convinced based off of Sorrento's character that he has ever met a black person as of nineteen eighty nine. The amount of things that are happening. Like, there's like three languages happening. There's like food do like is he Haitian every time he talks there's like this like tribal music that happens in the background in the locker room. And that wasn't there's so much happening. That is just like so not, okay. It is so bad was he Haitian? What was it Dominican? He was he was Haitian, but was saying phrases that were Mexican and they based on on the allu- brothers. That means he's probably thinking Dominican. Yeah. But also, I just like the as much as I love the Serano at bat. The fact that he hit a home run after just being like, you know, what voodoo I'm done with you. I believe in Jesus Christ the movie. And then he gets good at baseball. I'm just like what I don't know. Anti verdoux. Don't do. Yeah. The movie is like is like David s ward has a has a problem with voodoo probably hates New Orleans. So I just haven't like also like. The speech pattern, you talks. There's this one part. He's like, I can no hit curve balls. I'm like is. He a caveman. Like what was going on? Oh. It's a wild. Well, and I feel like did as Hayes Burt was kinda just like fuck this. But like I got I wanna be a star. Yeah. This is this is my road to start him. I'll do whatever it takes. So that's that's my number one. So you think if this movie came out now, there would be a whole Twitter controversy online and hashtag, oh, I was racist and all this stuff right for the first time. I would be like the main person be like this. I also like I'm not the biggest fan of the tagline for home runs being off the reservation. Yeah. The eighties again again, I as an age great. It just didn't age great. You know, like someone being like show me a good sports movie. You know, it's it's a it's a it's a tough one too. You know for that part. To throw out in two thousand nineteen I yeah. Outside of that. So I'm gonna go I vote for ROY. These are some great candidates. I think a lot I think what age would sage the worst is Charlie Sheen who is one of the all-time celebrity train Rix that we have and it's really hard to separate that from this movie but honorable runner ups to the Jake Taylor stocking and Wesley Snipes running. And then all this stuff. You mentioned I think everything's. A nine way tie for first place yet the movie like the movie as a whole still has aged really those last thirty five minutes. Yeah. Let's take a break to talk about black tux. Weddings could have nine an province, but the groom's look shouldn't be one. That's why the black tux dot com designs rental suits tuxedos that you'll love even if you end up getting featured on a list of twenty three epic wedding fails. At least you look good. For your close up. The black tux in easy ordering process. Online brings your suit or tuxedo straight to you pick out the black tux dot com. Request a free home try on you can feel the fit quality before you commit the black tux. 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Diane cannon for the row of Rachel Phelps, the filmmakers, but the studio really wanted a Margaret Whitton so thank candidates, and now she just had Laker games. She's a great. I think she's a great villain in this movement. She's really good. Word said a lot of people don't know this. But Jeremy Piven was in the movie, he was a bench jockey. And all the bits were him. Yelling insults at opposing teams that didn't really work and cut the whole thing. He was I'm sure is disappointed at the time. Damn Jeremy Piven Rene Russo was a model had never acted before. When she got this movie out of that sign of casting. What if I just was shocked by that? I didn't know that other than that they cast really wanna cast Dion waiters. This is tough because the damn waiters. This is basically like it's all supporting roles in this movie. There's no real star than Barringer. I decided to make Charlie Sheen was Snipes Corbin Bernsen all of them are notable for Dion waiters. I think the only acceptable candidates. I think are the for for the limited amount of time there in for the impact, I think are the owner and Bob euchre. So I'll let you pick. I really would in your mind would Haywood count as Dion waiters award. Oh, that's great clue Haywood. Yeah. That's that's my vote. Great P vuckovich is clue. Hey, we'll convince the other acceptable candidate would have been Bob euchre's partner. Who do you like them? Got a lot says weird faces I tried that guy to all right half fast internet research. There's some beauty, sir. Snipes turned down a role and do the right thing in order to start major league real not sure what role. But. Yeah. Maybe it was like Sam Jackson's Gary. I don't know. That is cool. I just found this out. I was stunned by this. Tom Barringer turned down the role of sunny crocodile Miami vice which is really funny because he dresses like he's in Miami. Vice like he he dresses like sending crack it. So I'd feel like he might have regretted it. Yeah. He's like alright. Bought the unifier about the outfit. He's like always wearing white and salmon blazers in light genes. Yeah. In alternate ending on the Wild Thing edition on the DVD's shows a very different way for Rachel Phelps for her arc to end. Lou announces he's resigning Phelps reveals the threaten moved to Miami was merely a ruse to motivate the team, and that they were on the verge of bankruptcy when she had haired of them, and that she felt like he was the right manager to lead the ragtag group or lawn and and disol- worked out. And the audience is hated it. And they were like why why did you make this person? No, good personnel long. Stop it. So they cut the got rid of that we mentioned despite being saying Cleveland, the film was principally shot in Milwaukee much cheaper. They shouted Marquis county stadium. Walkie county stadium is now a little league baseball field called. Hellfire field. So you hellfire ho fire field. So I think that. Good twenty thousand extras in the stands for the Yankee game. Dennis Hays 'but when the team ran on the field with the crowd wearing Dennis as Bert a strong, strong rock of the man admitted to being emotionally overwhelmed by the experience. I get it. Yeah. And Steve Yeager who is a former player technical adviser. He noticed however won't do as he said. That's what it's like a hundred sixty two games a year. He was he was the third base coach he was and he was also berringer's stunt double a catcher. The way that Duke Simpson. The ANC is pitcher was played by Willie Mueller. Who is apparently a major league? I don't remember Chelsea Ross sports movie hall of Famer can you name the other big two movies? He was in you know, I can't. But the first twenty minutes of the movie, I thought it was Billy Bob Thornton. He he that. I can sold her brother. So he was the bad guy in hoosiers. Oh, yeah. And he was Dan Devine and Rudy. He was the Notre Dame coach. Oh my God. He is hot Famer we make the sports movement hall of fame. He's in. So he said he was forty five he pitched in college at southwest, Texas State, and it had been twenty years since he threw a ball. Sheen heard his show there during the during the filming because they were thrown so many fastballs every day and said on the way to work he would stop at the doctors for quarter shots shots and anti inflammatories. This is the movie that vitam really pushed Charlie sheets drug habit over the edge. So Mitch Williams. Remember him the closer? Yeah. He joined the cubs in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine the same year this movie came out, and they started that's how he got the nickname Wild Thing. And that's when he started coming out of the bullpen in the Wrigley field. Organised on the cubs would play Wild Thing and this movie amazingly. And I think it's true unless somebody can prove me wrong created closer entrance music. Ooh. Of that. So the Charlie Sheen the Wild Thing gets borrowed by mitchum's in the cubs. And then becomes a thing and leads to thirty years of closer music. So that's probably the biggest maybe we should put that as the woods age the best. That's sick shrew cultural impact. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Another bad Wesley Snipes story. Somebody. Apparently he was complaining because they kept shooting him. Sliding. And he said what was wrong with that one? Steve Yeager said he had strawberries from all the sliding he didn't wanna do anymore because it hurt and Steve Yeager said, I know it hurts. I've been doing it for twenty years come on Wesley. I feel like I well, he it's like he got a ego before the movie came out. Yeah. Stuff. Rachel Phelps is ultimate goal was to move Indians to Miami. Made this move in eighty nine eight years later the real life Indians lost to the Florida Marlins based in Miami. That's fucking weird. Yeah. Wait, can I can I can I bring up one quick Wesley thing that I completely forgot. Can you imagine going on a date with Willie Mays Hayes, and he takes you home? There's eighty five thirty black gloves nailed to the wall. What a creepy way to live. Yeah. That's pretty straight. I couldn't stop thinking about just like how that would play out in real life with company over. There was a scene shot with Jake in Lynn wells, the Rene Russo character where they got married that was going to be after the Yankee game that they deleted. Thank thank God. They should have deleted the entire character. Hayes bird said he hit it out of Milwaukee county stadium and that Homer in the game three fifteen feet three hundred and fifteen feet down the line and left. It hit the top of the wall went over. He was stubbed Hayes bird also said, I don't think there was ever a closer cast. We hung out together. We went to bars together we were a team James game. And had these great poker games. Go. Yeah. And here we go. You're gonna love this Charlie Sheen on James Gammon, James Gammon. You wanna talk about an absolute fucking Warlock. This kind of shows up one morning, and he's so hung over that it has the bar still attached to his head. I've never seen a man in this much pain. Trying to make a Cup of coffee. He was an awesome. Tiger blood Warlock should. Gonna be this. But James, given Donna live anywhere. I mean, I mean James gammons one of those dudes that like it's like white Danny Glover like I can't even imagine him under fifty years old. Yeah. Corbin Bernsen on Charlie Sheen. This is all off from the world history. Bet it Charlie was the ringleader. He was a chick magnet. It was the most astonishing thing any of us had ever seen. He was the pied piper of beautiful women. And then words said Charlie had a lot of women flying in and out of Milwaukee. His biggest problem is trying to coordinate the airline schedules. So that these women wouldn't run into each other. And then she'd files that up this it wasn't as bad as on young guns a year earlier, we made that one in Santa Fe, you'd flan Albuquerque drive the Santa fan of two lane highway the girls that were leaving would pass the ones coming in major league was so physically demanding you didn't have a lot of time for that Charlie Sheen. Wow. I not not a surprise. The last ten years of his life has played out. Bernsen actually mistakenly punched Charlie Sheen at the ending. It's a good punt. He hits him, and he apparently had a wealth. It's a really good fun. Punches also unexpected which I love you just like I again, I forgot like, you know, all the people who were rivals come together. And I was like, oh, yeah. They're going to show you got punched. That's great. So the lady who played Roger Doorns wife who is not Jamie Lee Curtis. I think Jamie Lee turned it down last minute. 'cause I thought again, I was like I know that that's not Jamie Lee Curtis. Her name was Stacy Carol to I credits. That's it never acted again. After this movie just decided to raise a family thirteen year old me huge fan of her in that movie. So some sad news martyr Whitney owner. Not no longer with us died in two thousand sixteen. Yeah. It was. I was like oh. But has this whole crazy backstory, she dated Ron Shelton. And who wrote who wrote and directed boulder in nineteen eighty eight. She maintained that she helped write the film when they were dating. She sued him. He denied the claims he said it was patently false. But according to a court document, she received one hundred thousand dollars in two percent of the films that profits to settle her claims martyr Whitten, I believe how weird is that. That's a that's a that is not the story. I expect you to tell. Yeah. So that's it for half ass internet research. Apex mountain? Charlie sheen. Yes. Or is it to Neff, man? I mean, two and a half men was the most successful show of here. Like eight straight years. I don't know. I thought I was I was leaning towards that until I I forget about two and a half men. I gotta be through enough men. It yet. Is it not barrier? Like, I feel like. I mean, this is like the individuals great run. I don't know if it's going to say I was gonna say platoon for Barringer because he did he win. He won that. He went in a Oscar for women to vote it. I don't know if Barringer did a definitely got nominated but platoon allowed him to make movies like this side of it somewhere in there. I don't know if it's definitive I think for Margaret Whitton definitely James game indefinitely. But for the big stars. I I don't think it was a mountain for any of them. It's not Hayes bird because his former is I mean, president Palmer's iconic. Just movie pave the way for President Obama pave the way for Barack Obama via president. Without this movie. There's no Bronco Bubba. The Joey pants were named after Joe Pantaleo for best that guy, we it's James Gammon or Chelsea Russ. I feel like people know who James Gammon is. I don't think people know that Chelsea Russel's name is Chelsea Ross. They just know him as Eddie Harris or the guy from hoosiers or the guy for major league. So he wins that one would this movie been better with Danny trae, oh, St. Bush, Amir, Michael k Williams we needed to make Kate Williams in this movie because he would have been the third black person minute. Yeah. Even if he's in the stands, it's like another black person stands I'm here for that to Saul. Ruben ick. They knew award for for best overacting. I gotta go. You you probably feel differently. I have to go with Roger Dorn fielding grounders at third base. Like he was being shot by snipers with figure out why. With. Why was it? So debilitated to field hard grounders. I've never seen anybody react to them. Like that. Like, I mean, unless you're eight years old like he's in the major league major leagues. He's he's far enough away from the batter's box that it shouldn't be like he's getting shot at my son is eleven years old and plays third base and his good at third base and has never reacted or ground or like that ever. And he's eleven so I don't know. I don't know what you're doing registrar picking nets. We've picked a lot of knits already. I just have to extra ones. Yeah. They mentioned it Rene Russo says at one point in the dinner part of their Jake used to be one of the best catchers in baseball until his knees went do. We really believe Jake Taylor is one of the best catchers in baseball was he like, we're suppose think he was like a Mike Piazza in the early like he'd never really gave off that good of an athlete or baseball. Now. His throwing it wasn't like Tim Robbins, boulder and bad. But it it certainly didn't look. Had a canon either. And I think they stunt double immolate. I don't think he was Terrano on the other hand Surat does Hannah. So yes, Arado he's basically SEO Quique thirty years. The the game winning bunt. I just don't think. Jay Taylor beats it out with his bad news. I'm so even if it took the guy by surprise, I still think he's out. Yeah. He needed like the angels from angels and outfield to fly him to first base, or it should have been the third baseman should have been coming over to the third base bag because Willie Mays Hayes was stealing in that have gone sideways and that should have thrown him off bounce. Do you have any other nitpicks that we haven't already covered I have one big one. Okay. So you in the dinner party scene that a great scene. No. He mentioned that he makes league minimum. Yeah. I type this is actually amazing. I typed in league minimum. And it auto populated nine hundred eighty nine really as in like someone had the same question. Like, what was the league minimum for major league the movie, and what was it sixty eight K o adjusted for inflation eight nine hundred eighty nine. That's one hundred and forty one thousand dollars. I feel like they make it seem like berringer's our minimum wage, right? Busted, he's living with Charlie Sheen, which they never really explained. It's just thrown into one scene. Yeah. I feel like they really make it seem like he is like living like in a halfway house and has no money. But I feel like, you know, he's still a professional baseball player. He's got some money. Also, only nitpick. So I've I've I've to other nitpicks based on this then pick. This guy is such a horn dog that he's like banging stewardesses and getting served with paternity suits at his birthday party. It is now a sexual in his early thirties. That's it. You just gave it gave up sex. We never seem to hook up with anybody. You just loving you. Just love Moby, Dick. How do him and Ricky Vaughn ended up living together? How is that decided? Why would he want to live with this fucking weirdo who just got out of prison this guy? He was allegedly one of the best catchers in baseball. Why doesn't have more money? Why didn't he live? Why didn't you have at least a condo in Cleveland that? Yeah. Myself the financials don't make you needed a roommate. He's probably like a three time. All stars. Like, I need a roommate. Who should I live with? Yeah. Serano or Ricky von his car had like, no hubcaps. And it was like like making like stumbling to the curb. Yeah. It'd make any sense I have another I hesitated. Put this as a nitpick, but I'm putting it on. Anyway, I'd love to know how long it took to actually drive the bullpen car from the stadium to ask. Because those things don't go faster like fifty miles an hour. He got eight hours later. Yeah. Is there like a dedicated sidewalk from the stadium to her house like you on the road? She didn't see where he's just on a road with cars honking behind him. He's going twelve thousand our. Yeah. You're actually that that that is completely. There's no way he makes that party. The the other thing was Tom Barringer supposed to be like eighties hot. I think he was. Okay. Eighties like rugged rugged. Rugged handsome. Okay. Type. Look, I can't remember my other question. I have. But those are those are some solid. Oh, my other picking. It's I guess. So Roger Doorns wave sees him on TV, leaving the hotel with a girl. He somehow doesn't realize he's on TV. Even though there's a camera crew within announcer. Like, he's the worst adulterer probably of all time has no idea he's being filmed or anything. The wife decides to get revenge and she's gonna sleep with Charlie Sheen. How does she find Charlie Sheen? Did he have he was hanging out with? And if he did have a bar that everybody knew hung out with wouldn't he be surrounded by girls already by himself in this empty bar. He's like a famous guy in the Indians. They're about to be a playoff game. They really make Cleveland seem like it's a town of forty nine hundred. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, oh, there's there's only one bar. Yeah. It. He makes it just that doesn't make any sense. But I one other nitpick Ben Lindbergh actually wrote about this on the ringer today. This is a sports movie staple for baseball movies where they always screw up the lineup. They think we're never gonna notice. But they don't realize we going to watch this seven hundred times. So Serano hits a Homer with two outs in the seventh inning. And the way the order works. The top of the order is Hayes Jake Taylor for some reason Betty second Roger during third and Sorrento fourth surroundings Homer comes to out. So the third out is conceivably made by the number five hitter than in the eighth inning. You figure they go out one two three in the eighth and Tomlinson should lead off the ninth. Yeah. Because he's a stencil with the ninth hitter. Because Hayes comes up after him as been limber points out Tomlinson comes up with one out in the ninth. So there's five outs. But there's only four spots between Serano and Thomason. So. So either the Indians batted out of order or they used a tenth hitter or they just completely screwed this up or I am not sure what really happened on this one. But again, a baseball movie staple of batting out of order. And hoping that we never notice. All right. Best quote. Oh my God. This guy is dead cross him off. Then obviously, it's time for some changes. This guy's years. Jed cross him off them heads for bets. Keep war. Hey gopher. Forbath? Yeah. Which handicapped keep that's wall. Just a bit outside Vaughn into the lineup in his first offering. Josh the bit outside. He tried to corner missed. Has your wife and my kids up your butts? Yo, boo. Fuck you Joe, boo. I do it myself. And then the guy third his own son in a father son game. What other quotes do you have? Jake Taylor in the library when he's trying to convince her that he likes books. Yeah. He goes. I'll check it out. Right now is this the whale section still sore? I never read Moby, Dick. You never read anything. I asked you to check it out. Now is this the whale section? I'll bet what's his name at the restaurant. Read it needs. Needs about Moby. Dick kills me. I don't know. There's there's also. Willie Mays Hayes going we should have gotten the live chicken. Yeah. Yeah. When they give him the KFC chicken. I really like I don't know why. But I really like when Willie Mays Hayes gets on base. The first time just goes excuse me. Gotta take my first steps to the hall of fame. It made me think about like that's like that's like what I thought in my head like every time I opened my laptop and like twenty eleven I'm like. The go-to the hall of fame. And then Finally, I just really like during the Wild Thing when the owners like I hate this fucking song. Yeah. That was good. That's a good quote. What's your favorite of those? I mean, I think the the I guess there's one thing left to do when the whole fucking thing. I think that's just like icon a quote. Well, then I guess there's only one thing left to do. What's that? When the whole fucking thing. Just a bit outside has been the quo yet has been bastardized the most and actually don't like it now. Because the the announcers all think they're being funny when they say it ruined it for you hit everyone it for me. No one's euchre known secret to stop being Bob euchre. It's not happening. I really love hats for bats keep that worm funding. But my favorite is. Fuck you Joe, boo. I'd do it myself. She stopped. Stick up for you. Know help me now. I'd do it myself. By the way. I highly encourage anybody to use that as their high school yearbook quote. Yeah. Some teacher will love it. They'll be like, okay. I like that is that are they doing hey school year, but could their hand in the mid right now. Right to fuck you Joe, boo. I do it by south great. That'd be big win bet. It'd be impressed category. Could this be remade? As a ten episode. Netflix show. Yes. Please had a cow. This happen. Yeah. Can we do it? I would I would have hundred percent ticket. I would love it. So the news comes out the remaking major league. And it's now going to be a thirteen episode Netflix series. What's your reaction? I'm immediately like who is Charlie Sheen whose Wild Thing who's going to be Lou Brown. Who's the owner? I'm in just make it happen. Maybe don't pick. I wouldn't do Cleveland. This time though, I'd pick another city. I'd pick awards. I do like the Miami Marlins or something. Yeah. Although I guess they've won a couple World Series. What's like what? Seattle the Mariners. Yeah. Yeah. Are they like what's the worst? Will the Mariners have never won. Yeah. That's true. But they were on the teams left. Yeah. I'm in whoever decides these things go make major league that please do that probably unanswerable questions, we've covered everything except I have to. So they say door Roger Dorn stats in the last game that he to seventy one eighty six RBI. They also say in that game Willie Mays. Hayes was hitting two ninety one which I was shocked by. Yeah. Unanswered questions. How many steals did Willie Mays? Hayes have that season. I would say somewhere between sixty to seventy right. So so he didn't get it. What do you mean? What was his plan to get one hundred? I don't think you got a hundred. I think they would have said it. And again, I'm gonna say like seventy range, what was Sarah knows ks to home run ratio. Yeah. Thirty two homers and like two hundred twenty ks. Yeah, he like never hit a double. Now. You know, only diggers Eddie Harris wins say maybe like sixteen and ten type season for Eddie. They if they won ninety to somebody had to win games. And I think Charlie Sheen around the same probably like fifteen or eleven fifteen and ten I dunno. I dunno. I needed more stats in the final game. I really enjoyed the stats. I was like, wow. Roger Dorn has eighty six Rb ads. Wow. Shopped we covered this event closer music, and then my final answer will question because this movie came out the same year or a year earlier than our year later than bull Durham. Would bull Durham been better off if Charlie Sheen was nuclear Roche. Ooh. Yeah. Because I'm saying, yes. Yes. Sacrifice Charlie from this movie to make bolder and better, you think that there's a you can sub in someone for Charlie and still make major league work. I'm saying if he's in the nuclear show boulder and becomes the best movie of all time. Okay. Better than citizen Kane. The godfather everything I want both movies to continue to so you like both movies. Okay. But but what I will say is I think it's easier to substitute Charlie Sheen. Because like like you said earlier like the small amount of time that he's actually in the movie. Yeah. You can you can put someone it'd be like, you know, you got eight scenes. Maybe mealy west of as step saying, I don't know. He might be too. Sure. Yeah. I don't know. You're right. We we probably do lose with major league. I think about this some more between those brothers between Estevez sheen like icon, IQ sports siblings. 'cause you know, I love Mighty Ducks to more than anything. But we have this new Twitter feed for the rewatch Ables. Maybe we'll do a poll if you had to do it over again, would you have rather had Charlie Sheen in boulder, and then major league I'd be with responses are all right who won the movie. I say Snipes. Wow. Snipes? I mean, you've told me things that have just die ruined this movie for me like I'll never see it again. But I wrote down or all of the nonsense that that Snipes when the movie, but. You know, I'm I'm staying there. Okay. I'm not wavering. I can't believe I'm saying it, but I'm going with Charlie Sheen. That's on you. That's I just think I love Wild Thing. I love that character his PR this movie for the Mana time. He's actually in the movie per what his stats are is off the charts every scene he's in his lights out. I enjoy every single moment that he has in this movie. He's the most realistic baseball player. He's way up there in any conversation. He's with Coster and all these other guys. And and I think him walking in in the final game, and then striking out clue Haywood is one of the better sports movies ever. Yes. So I'm going with them. And also loved his quotes about James Gammon. And I want to know more about James game and insurance on the set and they eighty eight what exactly happened. I could read a whole oral history about the poker games that James came into this hotel room. What one my my one reason I love sheen is I think it's like an iconic fashion role. Yeah. Like between the glasses the earrings the haircut and most important for me the sleeveless tuxedo from the commercial. It's like it's pretty it's it's pretty iconic. So like for that. I do the French restaurant outfit is pretty great. He's everything is in. It's hard for me to believe that they were making this movie and just refusing to realize. Is that him and snipe should have been more sense as as they filmed the seventeen with Tom Barringer Rene Russo. Altered to another house. Cool. Cool. All right. So we cut the scene where where he's waiting outside her house at four in the morning in his car. All right. Remember bram? We did it man. We we first rewatch Ables together. This is wonderful. I'm pumped this was this was very this is very fun. And even though you. Pretty much ruined Wesley Snipes like more than tax evasion. Did for me. I'm I'm very happy to do that and happy anniversary to happy thirtieth anniversary. Thank you. So one of the classic side. Thanks for coming on. 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The Bettors Box MLB Betting Podcast April 16, 2020

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The Bettors Box MLB Betting Podcast April 16, 2020

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We still don't have baseball and I don't know when we'll have baseball some people kind of pointing towards July fourth as that. F- yeah America kind of moment. Maybe we maybe we don't. I'm certainly hoping we get sports sooner. Rather than later for a lot of different reasons But you know what the quarantine with everyone up burning up the streaming services here. Why did I give give you some of my thoughts on some of the more popular baseball movies? That are out there. Some that have been out there for a long time. Some that were released this past decade trying to hit as many of them as I can't here in no particular order to sort of running through. Maybe some of these will be hot takes. Maybe some of these won't be. Maybe you've got movies you like. Maybe you don't care for my opinions on these baseball movies. But we'll be doing another one day mail bag after the weekend here. Adamant Bang Book Dotcom Skinny Tripods at you mail dot com at skiing tripods on twitter. If you've got dissenting opinions on these movies or want me to check out any sort of baseball documentary or anything like that. Shoot me a message. Let me know we can talk about it on Mondays? Show maybe I can even get a chance to get some is on that I give you my thoughts here coming up after the weekend but in any event look I mean. It's pretty obvious for me to start with major league right. I mean as a clevelander I should love this movie and for a Long Time. I really did. You Know Major League my wife and I in the lead up to the season we would do kind of a baseball movie marathon. We'd watched one movie a day. Here's A. Took us about a week or so ought to get through the movies that we know both life that we both wanted to watch and there are a lot of great moments and great quotes and quips and one liners from major league. And obviously there's some Romanticism about that movie for me because you know there are some scenes even though the movie wasn't shot even though the baseball scenes were shot in Cleveland. I'd still there's still a lot of average paid to my hometown here. I gotta say though man you know one of the things. That's the worst about going to baseball. Games is hearing the inane conversations around me or hearing. Just the outright wrong conversation and it pisses me off to know Ed Wood People Misquote this movie or overuse used the quotes and it always happens here in particular. Because it's Cleveland. I don't know how many times I've heard too high too high out of all that's hit four hundred sixty feet or you know. All the other quotes come out of that movie and it's it's good. It's a good movie. I think just got heard out on it a little bit because it's referenced all the time and maybe just because it's such a Cleveland thing. Look the spring. Training scenes are great. They're hilarious the love story with Jake Taylor and and Lynn. I mean it takes away from movie for me. I understand. You need some of those cinematic elements and stuff like that but it really takes away from the movie for me but what on thinks. It's really cool about that. Movie is Bob Euchre and you did a lot of ad libbed lines in that if you watch some of the things that have come out about the filming of Major League or stuff like that. Jonathan night actually wrote a very good book about it but a lot of those lines euchre add lip and something. I really love about that movie. Was that it had some edge. It had a little bit of Raunchy to it and that was something that was lost in major league to which I'll talk about here in a second but you know again there are just so many endearing things about major league for me. Obviously Cleveland or and I know a lot of people do love that movie love. Lou Brown starkey supportive but still a realist and a real straight shooter. All the different characters that were on that team. You know it's Kinda funny too because I personally almost draw sort of a parallel. Do the Nineties Idiots. You had a lot of very colorful personalities. With that ninety. S- team you'll Barbara skull kind of had a reputation around here but then was also on artists. And you know a drummer and all that kind of thing Kenny. Lofton obviously was a swaggie kind of guy. Same thing with Manny Ramirez Albert Bell just that feared power hitter. There were a lot of personalities on that team that Mike Hargrove had to deal with. I think that's something that maybe kind of age that movie really well especially for people around Cleveland. When you get to majorly too. Though I had a lot of issues with this first and foremost they wanted to make it more family friendly. They wanted to strip down that R. rating from the first one this one's more of the PG variety and it hurt the movie in My. You know I think that the authenticity of the first movie with some of the some of the swear words. Some of the things that were said stuff like that. I think that really helped the first one that got lost in the second one. There's a lot of things that you could have done with Jack Parkin. There's a lot of things that you could have done. You know with With Jake Taylor to be a little bit more crotchety you know with the Rick Vaughn. After he kinda makes the transformation back into the wild thing and another thing. That's really hard for me to get over and this is something that almost to a degree ruins the movie for me. Keeping Willie mays Hayes in the movie without Wesley Snipes now Omar. Epps did a fine job and you know he did. Okay for what? His role was in that movie but just rewrite the character. Just go with his brother. You know billy mays Hayes or something like that. Just go with something different because there's nothing worse it's such a hard mental hurdle to get over in any kind of movie where it's the same character played by somebody else. It just doesn't work and it didn't work in major league do again. There are some things that I do like about the movie. I think the wild thing story is fine. The fact that fame Kinda went to his head he gets this attractive agent and all that kind of thing. That's fine I think ru Baker is hilarious. I think Tanaka Solaris Park was a great addition. Of course popper's very good. Once again there are two main issues. I have with the movie. The primary one is Omar APPs as Willie mays Hayes and again. It's not Omar EPPs fault but it's you've got to write the character out at that point in time. It just wasn't the same. It wasn't as edgy. It's fine don't get me wrong. It's fine but it doesn't really hold a candle to the original major league and Major League back to the minors shouldn't exist at all. Now this is maybe the hot. Take your part of the podcast here today. Who is like the Sandlot like little big League Lake Rookie of the year? Like angels in the outfield. Now I understand that movies like this. Have a special place in a lot of people's hearts because they grew up with these to me. I have a really hard time. Feeling a connection to those types of movies. As I've gotten older you know there. Are there any movies that I watched as a kid that I watch these days? You'll maybe some movies I watched as a teenager. Some of the coming of age type things like the American pie movies stuff like that a little bit more nostalgic about those sort of this concept of growing up versus. You'll kind of being a kid. It's the same thing with the mighty ducks movies or little giant something like that. I just I don't have that same romanticism. I don't have those same kinds of feelings about those movies. That a lot of people do. I know a lot of people. You're still love. The sandlot still quote the Sandlot. A little big league rookie of the year and angels in the outfield there. Those are kind of secondary if not tertiary do a movie like the Sandlot as you get older you get. Maybe a better understanding of the themes of the overarching tones in the movie. And Look if you've got kids you watch these movies with your children. They're going to take out a different meaning for you. I don't have kids dot particularly interested in having kids really at any stage of my adulthood but certainly not at this point in time so I don't really have that same love for them. That being said I mean the satellite is the best of the bunch to say the least poodle or a rookie of the year. Excuse me it's fine you get gary. Ucs Chat Stegman a director. Daniel Sternest brick by the pitching coach. That's very funny. A Lotta comedic relief with that angels in the outfield great cast. You know people don't talk about that movie enough. Maybe it's just sort of that Religious undertone to it. Or whatever you got Danny Glover you got Tony Danza. Christopher Lloyd a young Joseph Gordon Levitt Matthew mcconaughey Adrian Brodie Dermal Rooney. That's a really shrug cast for that movie. Maybe people don't speak of that movie in the same way that they do the other ones. I think maybe it gets possibly a little bit disrespected but again it's very tough for me to just have any kind of connection to these movies now as an adult get understand. Everybody's got this soft spot for Sandlot and said if you've got kids you know that in these movies sort of speak for themselves a little bit in that regard but I just. I haven't watched any of you know in a very long time. I haven't had any desire to watch any of those in a very long time. So it's just me. Maybe I don't like to have fun. Maybe they don't like to feel being a kid again or or whatever else but you'll get obviously the Sandlot I in the pecking order there with that. But it's a very good casts. Do these movies admits Anti Disney thing. It's kind of that that Disney approach to a lot of different things and I like some of the Pixar movies and stuff like that. I up always gets me. Absolute Tear Jerker We watched onward Last week two weeks ago. Whatever it was I don't know what is this day. Nine hundred seventy of not watched onward. That was pretty good. You know so there are some things with this kind of get the sports movies kind of tough outside of miracle. And maybe a connection to miracle because I played hockey growing up Wasn't USA hockey member as a player and as a referee. So maybe there's kind of that if there's just a little bit more of an element to it to me but also I think historical context of miracles also something that fascinates me so that one's kind of in a category unto itself. But again I just don't have the same the same to Salga about those kid-friendly baseball movies for the most part. How ABOUT MONEY? Will this will not surprise anybody. Moneyball is among my favorite baseball movies. I think it was extremely well done. That's not a surprise. You got your the backing of Columbia Pictures. Brad Pitt co-producer Very heavy cast. You'll Aaron Sorkin was a CO writer. He's done social network. Wes Swing sportsnight. A big Aaron Sorkin Guy. I'll actually liked the newsroom. Not a whole lot of people like the newsroom. But I did like it. Peters Elliott another guy. Who DOES THAT SCHINDLER'S LIST GANGS OF NEW YORK? Clear and present danger great writers. You'll big studio backing strong. Cast very very well done movie though for those. That haven't seen it Brad. Pitt of course place Oakland as GM billy bean. You've got joan a hill in sort of this hybrid role as Peter Brand. Who by and large is supposed to be after politics but ESTA who was a longtime baseball executive an executive for the Cleveland Browns as well Philip Seymour. Hoffman Manager Art Howe. And you know maybe the movie didn't portray are how the way that he should have been art. Howe was very upset about that. After the movie came out but that Philip Seymour Hoffman for the character that he was supposed to play absolutely nailed it. Interestingly enough and interesting that I saw I gotta put together. Some notes about these movies are just some interesting things to pass along alongside my opinion former Major Leaguer Royce Clayton actually played Miguel Tejada. The movie which was kind of interesting. I also saw that originally David Justice Scott Head of we're supposed to play themselves whereas obviously we know they wind up with Chris. Pratt as Scott. Hattiesburg I'm not sure who it was that. Want to play David Justice. What do they had? Some ex- pays for x minor league players who actually play some of these roles to which was kind of Nice but I love the dialogue. And that's a big SORKIN. Thank you know. Circuit is so dialogue. Heavy the dialogue was great. And this will be the way that Brad Pitt. Just sort of authoritative authoritatively said everything. Just kind of well adapter guy. You're with fear not you'll obviously to somebody. Who's big into sabermetrics? It is a movie and a plot. That would resonate with me but I like it a lot. A lot of baseball movies are are kind of whimsical. It'll pay as much attention to the baseball stuff. This will be was certainly more on the executive in the front office sides but not everything was done really really well for this movie. I like it a lot. Definitely one of my favorite baseball would be as if I stumble upon it. I will watch you know. There are a lot of baseball movies. I have to you know actively want to watch them in order to see them what he ball is not one of them. I'll pick that movie up in the middle and watch it by catch it. It's on cable or something. I'll watch it from the jump on. Definitely one of my favorite baseball movies to say the least. You haven't seen it or if you haven't read the book by Michael Lewis which is very very good. I would highly recommend you do that here. Especially with this quarantine going on another movie. I really really liked is forty two and guest co Jackie Robinson. Day around Major League Baseball would have been great if we had games with everyone wearing forty two but this was extremely well done gender Bozeman. It's awesome as Jackie Robinson. Harrison Ford is exceptional as branch. Rickey terrific. It's an authentic feeling movie and again maybe this is just the way that I kind of watch things or the way that even if I look at my music tastes for example. I like a lot of authenticity music. I like a lot of people that write their own songs. That's Kinda why I've gone direction that I have in country music with a lot of southern rock influenced Texas country kind of thing. You outlaw country kind of thing. People that write their own songs or do an awesome job covering songs from artists that wrote their own music. I'm really really big on authenticity. And I thought forty two was very authentic. Now there are some little things here and there are some detail oriented things that I saw because I was kind of looking for some interesting notes about these movies are pitchers that were right handed. There was supposed to be lefthanded things of that sort. But this will be doesn't have a lot of bells and whistles. It doesn't need them. It's not super flashy. It wants to stay true to not only the story of Jackie Robinson. What the story of America at that time period and the story of baseball at that time period. And that's what I like about it. It could have been a biopic. It could've been. You'll like Ken. Burns documentary about Jackie Robinson. And it's not it's about Jackie Robinson. But it's also about his teammates and the way that they embrace Jackie and about society and how it kind of started a turn a little bit at times at least in certain areas across the country with regards to Jackie Robinson and appreciating his talent and appreciating the hardships. He was going through to play Major League Baseball. This will be was excellent and I enjoyed it. I saw in the theaters. I enjoyed it then. I've enjoyed every time after. It's a great authentic movie. I think it really does justice. Do the story of Jackie Robinson and to the story of that period in particular that they were really looking at their extremely. Well done You know like moneyball. Obviously it's based in. It's based on something that actually happen. And maybe that makes it easier for me as a viewer do appreciate it to get deeper level of understanding for something whereas again things like those you know. Those childhood movies the Disney movies. I just don't have as much of a connection to those but moneyball and forty two really really liked those two movies a lot. Both highly recommended for me. Here I during this quarantine period about Borough Bull Durham. You know where I where I don't like the love story in Major League. You'll be tweet Jake Taylor and Lynn. It works in full Durham. And maybe it's just because you know I sort of I guess I romanticized Minor League Baseball a little bit. You know having gone to Akron for college and going to a lot of games there who to a few games at Lake County. Just it's one of these things especially if you've got a real small town feel to it you turn community just kind of braces that and that small town feel of Major League Baseball. It's just there's something special about it and I'm going to hate to see you know what happens year after this will be. The major league. Baseball was already going to cut a lot of these minor league teams out of the equation and those are really sad things. For a lot of these towns these are points of pride and the host families. And all that kind of thing. This community feels minor league. Baseball is just. It's something different. It's very hard. I think to put into words and with bull. Durham AMATEUR BASEBALL AND MINOR. League talents observable. So much different you know back in the seventies and the eighties than it is today that the frame of reference that I have today. But it's so interesting that you've got almost this coming of age with these young minor leaguers in Ann. Savoy of course played by Susan Serandon. She's kind of a teacher on how to be a bad and what she gets out of it and we all know what she gets out of it in a physical sense sometimes. It's over the top but I think by and large it works and I think that you kind of reach this crescendo. With her this point where she kinda gets tired of trying to bring these young men along and then you get this opening with crash Davis there and the fact that now she'd kind of you know settle down for herself. She's kind of passed that point in her life to almost like as crash Davis retiring. She's retiring to report for her job as this quote unquote very loosely using the term year teacher. And like I said it sometimes it could be over the top and the opening monologue for any savoy too because she's kind of proselytizing a little bit but works. No that's kind of who she hits in this movie so much comedic touch. You've got the subtle humor. The Dry Humor Robert woolas phenomenal as the pitching coach. Larry is just an outright comedic foil. Gentlemen a quotable lines in this movie. You've got kind of that. I don't WanNA hero story about. Crash Davis SETTING THE MINOR LEAGUE RECORD. And all that kind of thing that the perseverance types side to that story. It's not an auster and you could. Maybe even argue that with the themes of the movie. Baseball is almost kind of secondary but I still really liked this movie. I do really like. There's a lot to like about this movie addiction baseball movie that I kinda saw after I had seen a lot of the other baseball was very late to see Bull Durham. But so much about this movie works. It's good it's definitely Kevin Costner's best baseball authors. Really no denying that. In my opinion I really like bulldozer. Abandoned there's something about it and again it is maybe whimsical ish but again it has a historical frame of reference about either League Baseball and the life of Minor League Baseball. That's kind of connect with it again. There is just enough authenticity to bull. Durham that wind up really really liking that book. So field of dreams and dispatched. I just let the cat out of the bag. I think Kevin Costner's best baseball role is crash Davis Bull. Durham Field of dreams very polarizing movie in the baseball community. A lot of people like this movie and a lot of people really really don't the more I've watched it and I did really like at the outset. The more I've watched it. I've kind of become indifferent to it. I think the concept is great. Story idea is fantastic and of course as we know it comes from the wd consult book. Shoeless Joe there are a lot of things to like about this movie. There are a lot of things not to like about this movie now with that my God raise wife and daughter or his health. And maybe that's what kind of ruins the movie for me. They are brutal. They are very very hard to take. I liked the historical baseball element to this movie. I liked the story of Archie Graham. Which is actually true and one of the things. I found out about this. Is that the people that tear it. Span course play by James. Earl Jones is talking doing the bar about Archie Graham. We're actually friends of Archie. Graham that found out about the movie drove down from Minnesota to Iowa to sort of be seen in that movie so something a little nugget like that almost at Easter. I guess you could call it about that movie. I do really like that. And of course the having a catch with his dad part I mean. Look for anybody who played baseball with their dad. Growing up For anybody WHO's lost their father. Fortunately I have not for anybody. Lost their father emotional moment to say the least there are a lot of flaws and there are a lot of unlikeable characters in the movie too. And you know there's a tough things to wrap your head around Kevin Costner kind of just kidnapping terrence mad. You know some of the things like that. It's not at the top of my list. It's a fine movie. I won't want to my way to watch like maybe it would have a decade or so ago. It's good it's not great. There are some flaws. I there are some things that if you're willing to overlook those flaws you can very much enjoy that movie. It's just it's not at the top of my baseball list. It's I guess it's Kinda hard to describe why it's not. It's good if you haven't seen it obviously encourage you to check it out but there's some things where it's not as polished of a product as I think it could have been For the love of the game could have been so much more not a great. Look for Costner's actor. Probably his worst acting role of the Baseball Bubis said he did this money. This movie bunny relative to its budget. Vince Gully is the best part of the movie. I just not one that. I'm super invested a your. Your view may vary on that movie about the natural course with Robert Redford and this is another one where it's not necessarily based on your baseball historical sense but it's kind of almost the baseball story of King. Arthur it's a very heavy movie. It can be very slow at times. It can be very log at times. What a great cast. It's just you know it's all about the kind of baseball movie that you WanNa Watch if you WANNA watch something whimsical and fun somebody. It's not heavy. It's kind of easy going sort of an escape a distraction. The natural is not that a lot of symbolism a lot of parallels to historical figures. It's Kinda thinking man's movie in a Lotta ways. It's not an escape it all. It's pretty heavy movie. That's why it got Oscar. Nominations you don't see a lot of sports movies getting respect from the academy. This one did and I do like Robert. Redford a lot as an actor. As far as the non baseball will be goes. If you've never seen the last castle with Robert Redford James Gandolfini or rough lows in that movie as well very very good movie. The last castle I the natural though again. It's heavier slower at times but it's really really good. It's very heavy but I think it's extremely well done. And it hits all the points then it wants to hit on and I I I respect that about that movie and similarly with a movie like eight men out. It's the same thing it's slower. It's heavier it's got that historical focal point which I do like strong cast and obviously a very compelling story to the Nineteen Nineteen Black Sox. Scandal Justice was done to that story. That story is compelling. It is fascinating and you sort of feel that through this movie and through what was a really really good cast director. John Sales did a great job with this movie. Maybe it wasn't a big screen type of booby. Maybe it's almost warm thirty for thirty or a documentary or something like that right back in its state for what it was. It's a really well done piece of history quite frankly and obviously with anything that's based on history. They take some liberties here and there. But I think if you're looking for a storage based baseball movie this is kind of the one you've never seen eight nine out. I definitely think that that's one that does definitely were taking a look at and again. I'm seeing baseball specifically because as far as historical ball playing movies go a league of their own stuff at the top. Now this for those that don't know pays homage to a real life league that ran from nineteen forty three to nineteen fifty four called the. All American Girls Professional Baseball League and again this is an iconic will be a great cast. Tom Hanks as Jimmy Duggan. Jimmy Dugan of course fantastic. I haven't seen it in a long time and it is a movie that I need to Rewatch. That could probably appreciate it more. Now that I'm older and maybe potentially a little bit wiser but you know so. Benny Lines from this movie. That have been used in other things all the accolades from the film industry. And all of that. I can't speak a ton about this because it has been a while at least ten to fifteen years. Since I've seen this movie I probably would have a much different view of it now than I did back then but again. It is kind of a booby that stands on. Its own in a lot of people's minds and one that I need to pick up and watch again here in the not-too-distant future the rookie with Dennis Quaid again. A Disney story. Okay fine but it's pretty good. It's heartwarming it's got your that great underdog type of story with Jim Morris and I think what really works for this movie is that Dennis Quaid can do this type of thing. Justice this idea of perseverance. This idea of maybe not being the most skilled guy but being able to get by being able to sort of get to a seminal bogut. You'll in your career and for Dennis Quaid for Dennis Quaid. I mean look couple of divorces. The coke addiction played kind of that trouble after all at any given Sunday. This was a week for him to channel and that kind of comes through and I talked about earlier with you know why I appreciate authenticity of of of artists that I do for musical standpoint. It's because a lot of those sons coming from personal experience and they're able to connect with them if it comes across the abuse. Unless you've got an absurd about vocal talent. You're doing somebody else saw unless you can really get into it your vocal talent here but you. You're the different layers in music with somebody who whites narrowed. Sohn's that performs their own song. What faith this will work is. I was able to get to the character of Jim. Jim Morris didn't have the coke addiction or anything like that which is kind of never giving up its overcoming a Lotta different things for Dennis. Quaid peop- overcoming stuff in his personal life to getting burke. Thank you just kind of be able to channel that into the scooby and it works and getting movies. Four about perseverance than it is about baseball and obviously the factor in new. I did the baseball well enough for the rich to be one of upper tier upper half of baseball trouble with occur. Clint Eastwood just Timberlake John. Goodman Wall Freebie quality work for the cast not a good group and obviously it's not up my alley. The premise of oh. Alex bad numbers are bad. We need scout. Doubts are still very prevalent. Based Plastic General. The plot of the movie was pretty misleading. Pretty disingenuous in and of itself the screenplay. It's not very good at all yet. You've got a great cast your spell. Blue Latte and I wish I could have did more with it But it so. It's definitely very forgettable baseball. The same thing is simple like summer. Catch that very very forgettable. Admittedly there are so. I haven't seen and I was hoping maybe watch these before. I got to show but just did really find ability to do that. The original bad news bears not what I've seen begging to trump's slowly. Not when I've seen I don't remember movies like billion dollar our District Baseball Hartwall Babe district thousand. I think I don't really remember any of but you know. Hey We got a lot of time on our hands with this four. The watch some different stuff. Maybe try some space for if you haven't seen that if you have. It seemed funny ball. Forty two bull. Durham the natural eat out. Those are the ones that would be at the top of pilots. A sports baseball go. You haven't H gag. You don't have to rush through it. But as Cleveland they're certainly I've got no penicillin and it is very good to his fide on. Obviously if you've got kids watch those party the SANDLOT little big league. Your interest outfield like that but for me. It's all it's forty two. It's Bull Durham. Those are my top three not in any particular order. Natural eight men out kind of that next year like. I said I need to watch league their own thoughts for that said. I'm recording Thursday afternoon to college. Also with Brad Powers Bradpowers. Sports Dot Com will do that on Friday Monday. Another addition of the betters Fox Tuesday will chatting with Ryan blessing Wednesday. We'll talk with for nystroem up wrote a world about NFL. Draft Thursday veterans box. And see what happens after that point. I'll do they can switch your buddy and we'll talk again tomorrow.

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294- Mindsets and Processes for Investing

Invested: The Rule #1 Podcast

35:59 min | 4 months ago

294- Mindsets and Processes for Investing

"Before we get started support for this podcast comes from boost with facebook. Who's podcast boost. My business with david fisher features unique perspectives and insight from business leaders and small business owners. Here's stories and anecdotes about businesses just like yours gain insight on what it takes to grow a business and learn from the mistakes and triumphs of others. Listen to boost my business. Wherever you get your podcasts higher study and welcome to the invested podcast. I'm danielle town. And i'm so excited today to be here with jake taylor. Jake is the ceo of farnam street. Investments he also hosts to really popular shows about investing which. I highly recommend you guys go and listen to one is value after hours and the other one is the author interview series. Five good questions. Which i was very fortunate to be a guest on which was so much fun. He also created the world's first hike cast which you can find on his youtube channel and his first book the rebel alligator as you guys know who heard him here on invested out like a year ago nine months ago or something Yeah probably around there. Yeah so we go back and listen to those episodes if you want to hear all about the book because it's so good it's about how to evaluate companies and run companies well and no less than charlie monger himself has recommended it to everybody. So jake thank you so much for being here again. It's great to be back. daniel. Thank you so today. What i really wanna talk about is actually a kind of twist on what you wrote about in the rebel allocated which was all about the nuts and bolts of companies in-investing. An as you know. I'm fascinated by that. Yes but also about. How do we set up our lives. Our environment ourselves so that we can be the best investors possible and i just. I think it's almost impossible. This is something we can talk about if you agree if you think it's possible to be a good investor without thinking about the practice of investing and this is something that actually you've thought a ton about so considering that most investors focus on pure research and specifically on results and many investors. Don't even talk at all about their process or their practice ever. Why do you find it important to even spend time on the process because it does take time. What made you decide. That was worth your time. Yeah i mean you. You can't eat process right like process doesn't pay the grocery bills exactly results do right but you only have control over your process. You don't have control over the results for the most part and that's a really big point. Yeah yeah at i Do a fair amount of coaching for my kids sports and in baseball we talk. There's we tell the kids where they go up to bat. you know. There's only two things that you have to worry about number one. Is you have to look for the pitch that you want. Hit right so pitch selection and then number two is taking so. Don't get cheated. Do like a half swing. Take your full good swing and look for the pitch that you wanna hit and i think the investment applications are very similar. Were looking for that pitch that we wanna hit the investment that fits the criteria that we're looking for and then taking are good swing as the equivalent of working are good process. We don't control what pitch the pitcher throws to us. We don't even get to control where the ball goes. And you know if someone's going to catch it or not but we. We have two things we can work on. And so if we focus on those and optimize for those would give ourselves the best chance of having a successful outcome. And i think the same thing is true in the investment world. What i'll go ahead. Well go ahead ask them. You probably have a question to ask. Well i'm just curious. What do you consider the equivalent of the pitch and the swing in the investment world while the pitches is the the market showing you the price on a daily basis. And do you find it attractive or not. You know it comes by and it's you know general electric at ten dollars. Do you think that's attractive or not or do you let it go. So the pitches is what the market is serving you up and then the swing like i said is is your process of how well do you work through to understand the business How you know how much of a position sized taken in all of those things that will lead to the outcome that you're hopefully looking for so i was going to say To give you. Here's here's an interesting thought. Experiment in kind of a munger inversion way. Okay i want you to imagine what would you if you had to select a stock and your goal was to have the absolute worst outcome that you can have in one year's time okay what you know and what would be the greatest chance of a of a loss like probability and also the magnitude of loss like you want it to be a zero. That's your that's your goal in this exercise. What would you pick if. I wanted to have the biggest loss possible in one year's time. Yes so. I picked that i think's gonna go bankrupt. Okay so like hurts maybe He yeah. I don't know if you saw but at one point that was up like six hundred percent. Yeah on you in in two days. Maybe pick like a flimsy like maybe fraudulent electric vehicle. Company will wait. Those have been up hundreds of percent and days. The point of the exercise is that it's incredibly hard to even to go wrong in one year if you wanted to which means that. Over one year's time the result is almost meaningless. There's so much luck involved right. So if you can't fail on purpose then you know that luck is a big factor of of that game. That's super interesting. So you're saying that over the course of a year. It's too short of period to know whether or not the outcome within that year is based on locker skill. it's just so basically it's it's just locked since you don't know it's it's random for the most part yes exactly maybe even more than one year i mean depending on your dial and process. That's gotta be the next question if a year isn't long enough. How long is long enough because at some point we have to decide if we're good investors or if it's just the market i think a lot of that is your own personal preference and taste and style But i think in general the supposedly the market is looking out eighteen months. That's the kind of conventional wisdom. I think you then have an advantage if you can look past that maybe two to three years and more optimized for that timeline and because there's less competition there's less people thinking to three years out and i think that it's actually even shorter than that eighteen months. If we're being honest recovery period is shorter than that. So there's a lot of like whoa. Whoa what's it going to do next quarter right. Because if i'm a professional i'm being judged on a quarterly basis and my investors that are going to leave. If i don't have a good quarter. I can't get to year three because i i already lost the money in the money. Left in two years ago went back quarter which by the way separate from process. It's been really surprising to me. How the market through the covid lockdowns has seemed to suddenly become longer term oriented. Like i always. I agreed completely At always thought it's maybe three to six months because that's what it seemed like people were responding to and all of a sudden they're like oh we can wait for two years for this rebound. Its fine like like what how. What was your reaction to what's been going on with the company seeming response or the market seeming to respond to. What's going to happen but hasn't happened yet. yeah. I think especially for some of the companies. It's even further out So they'll say well based on Twenty thirty one earnings per share that. We're we're bottling out. This is really cheap but wait. The company has no revenue now. Like how are you getting ten years from. Now you know how much revenue and you know what their margins are going to be ten years from now all of those things. i mean. there's a lot of that happening at the moment. And i think it's probably best to stay clear of that kind of stuff. It's i think it's a little i. I've heard phil tat lock. Who is a a very famous researcher when it comes to forecasting. He said that any forecast. That's longer than five years from now. You could pretty much just completely write it off and and assume that it has no informational value because there's the is random on from five years from now so you can almost just laugh off anything that someone tells. You is going to happen more than five years from now. It's an interesting perspective. I suppose it base. It's based on. Just what your investment horizon is. Because i know. I try to look like ten years out which is so hard to predict as you just said. But if i'm not confident in a company for ten years how can i be confident in a company for five years i mean five years may not be a long enough period. Really know if. I'm a good investor or if it's just good or bad luck yeah i think there's a couple of things you can do there with That kind of longer time horizon one is if you focus on businesses that are least likely to change So yeah it's it's most likely that something like coke or gillette. Tenure now is still going to be in business. Yeah i don't know if maybe their business will be a strong. I mean it seemed like those were inevitable juggernauts ten twenty years ago but you know maybe tastes change and people want less sugar. Maybe you get dollar shave club or harry's direct to consumer brands that can come in and nip heels if you're gillette the world's for ways to dislodge the juggernaut and so you know there's i'm not sure there are any shore tenure bets like that I'm a little hesitant to make those kind of approximations Just because i know like capitalism wants to undermine those moats right like that's what they're all working on true So so. I find it for companies that can do it themselves can undermine themselves disrupt themselves in many ways and innovate out of it. Sorry go ahead yes. So that's i mean. That's what andy grove from intel would have said like the founder of intel. You know you have to be paranoid and disrupt yourself before. The competition can And that came from clayton christianson originally innovators dilemma. But yeah. I don't think the ten year time horizon Is is that easy to play now. I will caveat that with if you can find a culture and a a An ethos of a business where it seems like they will be able to adapt to whatever the conditions change our they are and you wanna make that bet. I think then you can start to think about ten year time horizons a little easier because you know like well listen. They're smart people ethical intelligent all the things that buffet would say. He's looking for in a in hiring someone. Yeah those they're going to figure out how to solve the problem like they're waking up every day trying to figure out how to solve the problem and make your investment worth more and so i think there is something to be said for that like i. I know that It's very popular to say that. Don't bet on horses and not on jockeys raining. You want a really strong horse. And i think that is largely true like it is easier. If you're in a good business to look like a good business person. However i think maybe with technology that that statement is not as true as it was probably thirty years ago because things are changing so fast. I think you need to have the good management. That's going to adapt and it's not the the nature of the business and the technology of the business and how it solves problems that's going to be the the differentiator because it's it can get disrupted by something that's coming out of a garage right. Yes so i. I find it funny that the the longest term horizons are are being applied to the tech companies right now which is historically been where most of the change has happened right like. Everyone says that you know facebook amazon. Google those that they're they're inevitable's and that they get these like you know kinda tenure horizon bets on them right like these guys are going to be. They're going to win over the next ten years but yet that's tech is where a lot of the a lot of disruption has always has historically come from anything. Excuse me that should fetch a lower multiple because of the uncertainty of more tech not hire multiple. I'm completely one hundred. Eighty degrees out with the the thinking on that at the moment. So what do i know. I mean i think it could go. The market does not as you said does not necessarily reflect the real of what could happen in five to ten years and i couldn't agree with you more that what matters in a long term investment is the culture is finding people who are going to roll with the punches and role with the innovations and role with the new company showing up and trying to put them out of business and maybe by those companies. Because that's generally what they do so I think it's it's just a different way of thinking about investments and i'm one hundred percent on board. So how does your process help you to do better at that at choosing the jockey or choosing the horse how did you start with. Why did you start thinking about this. And how did you start thinking about it. Yes so. I've always been Interested in health and kind of a bit of a self experimenter a tinker with my own health in trying like. There's nothing to weird. That i i wouldn't try out for a while to see like oh do i feel better or worse from that very well. Yeah i i. Don't i don't publicize is what i'm doing. It's just for my own amusement. So that sort of like self experimentation within it has sort of a growth mindset where you feel like i can do better than i did before it if i just try out some things and i'm always experimenting and i record what i'm doing so that i can see that the change over time You know you're you're you're always hoping to get a little bit better. And so i view the investment process. The exact same way as i have the tinkering with health. I'm looking for every little experiment. That i can try to see. Does this feel like it's giving me a better chance of getting the results that i'm looking for By focusing on this process and looking for ways to improve it so One sorta naturally carried over into the other. You just like improving things. I i do like improving things so as you were thinking about improving your process. What what kind of framework did you put on it. I think of mine as a practice. I know a number of investors. I've talked to have directly told me that they don't relate to that at all. How do you which is fine. We've all got our own things for me. It really works to think about it as a practice. How do you think about. What kind of framework do you us to think about the process. That you put together tamp that i you know i think if it is as a process and and even to borrow some like I believe it's buddhism has this but it's like chop wood and carry water You know like just really focusing on that task and and doing a really good job with each task and not Not taking shortcuts. 'cause it's really easy in the investment process to even knowing what you're supposed to do skim over that part and sort of jump ahead same thing with health like we. Most you know we kind of know what the right things to do are already. It's like kind of eat real food. Move your body get enough sleep. Get some sunshine and some nature like none of these things are that. There's no hidden secret here. And i don't think there's any hidden secret in the investment process. Either it's just a matter of committing to do it and putting in the effort to to continuously do it and getting a little bit better. So i i kind of divide the the the process up in two four quadrants which showed in that that article that you published for me Yeah just for everybody. Jake wrote a fantastic article. That i put on my Invested practice newsletter. The premium newsletter. So if you guys want to check that out you can find it. At newsletter. Danielle town dot com. So yes. thank you for writing that jake. Because it was so good. And as i said to. I've been reading it and over trying to pick every piece out of it. That i can because it may be obvious to you and i'm glad that it is but it is not obvious to me and i'm trying to learn every little way that i can also get better as hygiene why while i'll wrap up the idea on the quadrants quick so you know i look at it as there's things that are internal to me like inside my body and there are things that are external to that and so those are like two polls of the the axes and then on the other side. I have things that are more mental and then things that are more physical. So you know intern. All and physical would be health. Like that's what's happening inside of my body. External and and physical is my environment right like controlling for the right environment to create a good process. Mental and external is like you know how much signal versus noise in my having to process. What kind information am i in my using and the last one like the internal and the mental is you know working on sharpening the saw and having building my mental models and and really like you know the right head space That's so that's that's what. I found a helpful way to kind of divide up the and think about the different parameters of optimizing this distinguish between internal and mental and physical. Well to me go ahead. Go ahead then just naturally. I would put internal as mental and physical. So why why. Separate those into two different categories Well internal for me and mental is it was like the checklists the When do i work on things. That's another big part of it And then external and mental is you know what is the rest of the world bombarding me with like in my spending a bunch of time on twitter filling my head with everyone else's thoughts or am i finding my own quiet solitude place where those for those everyone else's thoughts can kinda quiet down and i can hear my own thoughts finally That's how i divided up but so interesting. Yeah so it really is the two different ways to think about the information. That's either going out or in so okay. So let's talk about the hygiene. What a what led to thinking about it in a way as hygiene. Yeah i used hygiene. Because it's kind of a term that we're all familiar with and you know it's like it's habits and routines and mindsets that hopefully produce some outcome that you're looking for so think about like dental hygiene like we all sort of know that one you know you're supposed to brush your teeth floss. Maybe use the water pick eat less sugar To wear a mouthguard if you're doing physical contact sports like when we know all of these things and what you're trying to do is create an environment. Where teeth can be healthy right like you can't just say i want healthy teeth. You have to do all of these things that will then produce the the environment that would encourage healthy teeth. It's the same thing with the investment process. Like what are all the mindsets and habits like where you know. What's what's the equivalent of flopping and brushing my teeth That will eventually hopefully lead to the results. That i'm looking for To you know just going back to our our sports kind of analogy of we don't get to controlled much of this. The only things. We can't control our process. We have to really focus our efforts. There hugh divide the so. We talked about the con- the quadrant. External and internal physical and mental. And you divide these areas into four obviously and you say internal plus physical equals health tukwila. Can you talk a little bit more about. I want to go through the different quadrants. So health is the first one. How do you focus on your health. In a way that specifically supports investing hygiene demand for telemedicine grows. so does the need for connectivity. five g. meets that need qualcomm remains focused on giving doctors and patients superior five g connectivity. Learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention age. Well i am very cognizant of when i make decisions especially big decisions like do i want to buy or sell this company. How am i physically feeling because our our physical like the chemicals that are going on in our brains are these lenses that we interpret the world through and you know depending on if something is out of balance for whatever reason you had a bad night's sleep You know a million different reasons that things can be a little off. It can dramatically affect how you feel about something and how you process information flu. Being aware of that is is I think hugely important and dramatically under appreciated So i i will not make a decision and investment decision unless i feel like i'm in peak state mentally right if there's any doubt about you know my head space. It can wait till tomorrow. Or i can go for a walk or take a nap or something. That's going to get me to where. I need to be mentally to think that i have a good shot at this to kind of have an arsenal of methods that can get you out of the sub optimal had space and into the peak head space. You just mentioned a couple. I mean there's some. But i think it's actually a little bit more of a longterm practice and just like kind of living in there as opposed to like okay. Here's what i you know. I'm going to ramp up into that and then ramp back down. I try to live in that peak state as much as i can instead But i just wanna be aware and make sure that. I'm definitely i know and i'm not there and that's when it's time to take the keys away and you're not making any decisions today. Requires that sense of knowing what it feels like to be in a state where you feel confident to make the decisions and also being able to be self conscious enough for mindful enough to be aware of when you're not which is really hard because we often fool ourselves you know like they've found even in sleep studies that people are not aware people who are consistently sleep deprived are not aware of how sleep deprived they are and how impaired. They are in their judgments. Because we all think we're just were just okay. We're doing the best we can and often can't remember what it felt like to feel better and i've had a recent experience of that with my illness. So how have you been able to calibrate your memory of what it felt like to be in the peak state as you say so that you know when you're not there. Yeah i mean it is. It is subjective in that. Like you know i wouldn't. I probably couldn't tell a nine outta ten versus nine point five out of ten right But i think you can if you ask yourself you can kind of tell when you're not there and i think that's maybe more important is is it's just a it's more of a don't go than it is a a time to go and i think i think what you said is the key asking yourself. Am i there. Most of us do that one. That's actually like journaling is is really really helpful. Hamas front know congressman dana condom in the famous like Psychology researcher advises anyone to use a journal especially about decision making and even to record how they feel physically and mentally and and correlating. Then you know are you do make good decisions in different kind of mental states And it's you know it's a kind of a pain to do that. Sure but that's sort of like this health thing like it's it's a to go to the gym too but you know it's healthy for you so you just have to bear down and do the things that you know you need to be doing. I think it's such an important point to track to journal to have data so that you can really see where the changes are. I mean so many of us have found like if you get a fitness tracker. Like a fitbit or something. Suddenly you start to realize how little you walk in a day like something as simple as that and the tracker tells you and you start to notice it and then you can start to notice how you feel differently if you do a little bit more. And it's it's much more subjective to just journal your own mental abilities but if that's the best we've got then that's it's something that most of us don't even do. What kind of we will go ahead what we will miss. Remember what we thought with at that time period if we try to go back and reconstruct our thoughts and especially i mean even just like it should be very obvious but like i don't know if your member in march of this year and you know market is tanking and you know what were you thinking at that point like how did you how did you know how are you assessing sort of like what the going forward look like versus you know in the summer which you know. We're making all time highs again and like what were you thinking. Then and those two periods are. It's so they're so close together in time relative to what that normally looks like and even then were still like way off on assessing our own thoughts at that time unless we recorded them right because we will miss remember and usually we will miss remember in ways that are favorable to ourselves. And it's a way of protecting our ego and our identity true. Your brain wants to think that you're a hero right like that's a good narrative for you So you will miss remember unless it's been written down somewhere and it's funny because you you can read things that you wrote in your journal from along time ago and be like god. Who is this. Who wrote this like. I wasn't fully. Well it's it's in your handwriting. I'm pretty sure it is you. So it's it's kind of a weird experience like we. I think we under appreciate how faulty our memories actually are. I think it's a great point. Do you follow that. Practice every day. Every week quarter. What's your practice. As far as regularity while in the investment context i keep journals about specific ideas. And so you know though there continuously running as i learn new things about it as you know as i get new data points i try to fit that in with. Does that fit with my my thesis about this company or is this a red flag. That maybe might thesis is not correct and i need to reevaluate. So it's always a it's you know. What would you would call like beijing and updating like as you get new data you process that and you hopefully update your probabilities of what you think. Success would look like so do more focus than on on your note taking beans specific to investment ideas rather than like you know today on tuesday i felt x y and z and was worried about x. y. and z. Yeah i mean you could you can do more of sort of like macro journaling like how do i feel like what do i think. The market's going to do that kind of stuff. I i don't personally do that as much. I probably should actually but part of the reason why don't is that. I'm trying to push myself towards staying. As bottom up. As i can him really easy well like just evaluating the companies themselves and their prospects as opposed to having like boy the market. Sure is crazy right now. I have opinions about why it should crash. And i'm not going to buy anything even if i find an individual idea that i think is very attractively priced at the moment. I think it's really easy for the macro stuff at least for me personally. The macro stuff is kinda like catnip for me working. It's very interesting and it feels very important. And but i think it's it for me becomes sub optimal compared to like well. Listen if you like this company and you like the price of it t ignore all that other stuff and just buy the damn company and owner of it and stop trying to like predict where the market's gonna go right. Does it force you to get out of your head. A little bit Know all that stuff still going on time. And i'm probably still reading too much macro says it is. It's hard for me to do it. I don't know. I might be addicted to it. So part of the investment hygiene. Move away from macro information. I think you even say go on and information diet right i yeah i think that's that would be part of that. Is you know jim channels. Has this this great analogy. He's famous short seller And he's he talks about layers information onion and at the core layer where the most signal is in. The least amount of noise are the sec. Filings these are the actual like this is what the company has to tell you right like there by law required to tell you these things mad. I mean granted they can. They can polish some things here and there but for liability reasons like they have to tell you all of the risks. They have to give you the real numbers. Unless you're it's a total fraud right but that's relatively rare outside of that layer of the sec filings. You have a a there. The company i our stuff investment relations does so they're slide decks conference calls things like that and that's kind of more what they want to tell you and tell you. Yeah yeah and then we move out of that layer to call it like sell side research and that's often a little bit like someone's kind of selling you something there as well Like hey this is a. Here's why like this And then on the last the outer onion you have twitter or social media of Or even just like rumor mill like oh man. Check this one out. This is great right. And that's like we're the most noises so just focusing on where your where you spending your time. Are you spending more time in the sec. Filings or on twitter. And i would. I would say that you're probably eating junk food if you're out in in twitter more often than eating kind of your your meat and potato or your vegetables in on the sec filings just being cognizant of that like. We're all going to eat dessert. And i'm not saying. I don't i eat dessert too. Much as it is Both a health context and twitter context. But i try to be aware of it. At least like keep some balance in the diet in the last few days here made everybody crazy by going straight to the sec. Edgar website to get info that you can get other places. I am a crazy person and need to get it from the source or else. I don't trust it fully and we went through a whole process of how to do that. My dad was miserable utterly miserable. He hates it. Well i mean in fairness like i sometimes you'll find errors in like the what you get delivered from a data service relative to what. Sec filing says that often but it's but it's enough where like it's just gonna wear. I wanna know. I wanna have a baseline level of knowledge to know if that seems a little offer. Not right so jake. I think we have so much more to talk about. Can you stick around and come back next week. To talk about the rest of the the quadrants. Absolutely okay cool so next. Week is the second half of my chat with jake taylor and with that. Thanks everybody bye guys. Thanks for listening to invest it. 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Brennen Taylor & Jake Taylor Talk Ghosts & Conspiracy Theories

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Brennen Taylor & Jake Taylor Talk Ghosts & Conspiracy Theories

"The patch everybody and welcome back to another episode of worse. I were super lucky today. Because we are in a different podcasts duty. An actual professional one that has the property cameras and things So i'm so excited Brennan j taylor here today on the podcast. I'm so excited because you guys have a podcast that i just did called. Share your scare. Which i love because i'm so into horror share stories ideal. A spooky girl of we cut this. I know i know it's like kinda crazy but like i was asking like how you guys got in too scary stuff like all of a sudden we like. I liked scary stuff and he started doing it on youtube. Check so you know it kind of goes with the worst. I so i actually kind of the first time i ever played the ouija board and got into scariness ultimately attracted me to you know wanting to play it more in which brought it into youtube and then into podcasting but actually i was doing a little like highschool movie from my film class and we we wanted to make it about a scary movie and we want to make it easy boards so we were like we. We gotta go board. We've got to see if this thing actually works. So we go and get a ouija board. And i i you know. We bought it from toys. R. us so we didn't think this thing is going to work. How crazy is worried. Sold ligi insane so anyways we get this week you go up to his weird scary creepy attic and we decided that right place that we need to play it so it was me him and this girl and we're like all right. We got tested this real so. Let's ask questions about this girl. She's not playing. It's just me and my homey so let's ask questions about the girl because if if like we wouldn't know the answer so we couldn't be faking this so it starts answering these questions about about this girl super weird so that moment we knew it was real. Anyways we take a little break. We went back up just me and him now. We know it's real and now let's go try to actually play it so we go up there together. We're asking you questions to starts answering it. Finally i ask it. Where are you from right. Where are you and the board starts to spell h. e. l. l. at this moment my heart drops to my ass. I feel like you don't think your friend was moving at all. Because are are scared nece. Each other and like he was in an actor. Nothing like that like this is like we were terrified down. I can't play anymore. He's like i don't wanna play either. I was like we have to say goodbye. Fuck this we both rip up our hands right. You're not supposed to do that at all. You're supposed to say goodbye. We ripper hands and our other friends. That were downstairs. It would be a funny idea to shut the attic. You know like house those steps that you can pull down. They shut the attic on us. So we're stuck up here. I decided you know what. I'm getting out of here whether i get hurt or not. Jump on attic. The attic thing goes down. I didn't fall. But like i kinda like balanced and went down. My friend follows right after me. And i kid you not two seconds later. The board comes flying down after us and there was nobody left up there so that was the first like my it was it was like the worst time because it was terrifying and later on a month later. I'm telling someone else. This story exactly an- my nose starts bleeding. Never had nosebleed in my life starts gushing down and at. That moment was kind of the moment. That i was like damn like this real. I want to explore more for like youtube and stuff and let other people see it. Do you ever do you feel like something attached itself to you ever like you feel like you got rid of it. I personally don't feel like anything has really like attached itself to me. I do. Try to sage. And i do try to use positive words of affirmation in although i try to stay very positive in my life. I always carry crystals with me. I'm surprised they don't have one now. But i always have like black onyx or something i haven't brings with black onyx just to keep roy negative energy and stuff so luckily i don't feel like anything is attached to me but jake and i have been in some very sketchy situations where something could have followed us. I've literally been in japan at suicide. Forest is both go. there you go. I just went to suicide for walk through. Walk through it in middle bodies we we saw. We think we saw a body in the distance. We didn't want to go up to it and like do all that but it's very possible that there was a body. A lot of people commented saying that there is a body at like the fifty minute mark of the video that we didn't see walked right by it so i mean it was just so dark alerted. You feel like when you're in there felt like Just felt a lot of sadness and it. Just kind of overwhelmed. You kind just kind of that. Sadness just turns into like this weird fear where you're like shaking like you were talking about your anxiety. A lot kind of felt like that like i was just shaking and i i. I'm not i don't usually get anxiety or anything like that and i couldn't stop shaking like it was almost was cold or something but a panic attack like a panic attack all throughout this place and i've never had one of those in my life and it was just such a weird feeling being in there do they tell people not to go in there. yeah it's it's a forest like you can go in there and they're like a park. There's a four. Well there's there's a it's a forest and there's a trail you walk the trail and you can do whatever you want. Then there's this point where there's like a marker where you can't go any further you can if you jump it like we did but it's a recommended that you don't because the source is so vast and you can't even see the sky when in there it's like completely forest covers the sky. It's it's advised not to go pass this point because a lot of people go passing get lost so even the people that don't want to end up ending their lives in their ended up dying because they they get lost and they can't find their way out of this forest at so massive. Can you guys still went past the marker. Yes we did. You know your we brought these little tape things to tape around trees every fifty feet or so. He knew where to follow. Our trail to go back out was smart. There's some psycho following you just just making hearts out of them and like fuck you signs. What part of japan is that in. That's in hockey at what's called the a gara forests. The i don't know the exact place it is. It's right by mount fuji. Maybe i can let you go there specifically to do that we went. There spits knowing that that was the ultimate video. We were gonna make when we were out with logan. No no no no no no no no no no no not before it before Logan did that were there. It was me and a couple of other. Youtubers doing yeah. It was occupied akihabara. That's the part of japan. I guess and flew out there specifically to the we went to all the other parts of we went to tokyo. We did all that fun. Stuff like other parts of japan as well and that was the final the final thing and so you guys do a lot of scary stuff together channel. What was the scariest thing that you did that you were like. Oh my god. This is the fucking worse. This is so fucked up her. You say the island. Oh my god island we rent. Tell the whole story so every year he buys us like our buys the family like a trip somewhere so he bought us a trip to italy all went out there. We still try to create content. While we're out there you know and it's this one wasn't her first night there. Yeah first or second night. There were for two days. So we're at the hotel bar drinking and brennan's looking for haunted stuff. He's like all right. Let's find haunted video place like let's find something and he's a cool. Look at this island. Look at this island and it was an abandoned island that basically they were sending bodies during like the black plague like people who had the plague they would send them to die because they wanted them away from like fifty miles out of venice. Like just out there by itself like once. You're there you're there. you're not coming out. He was determined to to get there. You know we asked the bartender. Where like yo do anyone with a boat that can take over there. He's like can. I buy canoe and after we got there. We realized you can get hunted canoe. So how he was just like he basically told the best for you. If you really wanna go there is this. Go start asking random people with boats. So i'm walking down the canals of italy. And i'm like hey can you. Can you take me speak italian so so of understood us. And they're like no. I won't go there and we'll go. They're finally we find one random guy who's drunk i think he was like fucking weirding. He was like yeah. I'll take you there for two hundred fifty euros or whatever and we're like okay you know. It seemed like a lot of money. But i was like i'm gonna make this video so it's gonna be dope anyways all right. He's like mimi back here in thirty minutes or an hour and i was like all right dope back. The guy's gone. He's not there some random other two different. Do different dude as i come. Come on taking you to really made you guys got on the boat. Ed fucking just killed you shit. And that's their mom. Mom was like where she didn't come with back. We had someone on like on the mainland. As i kind of look out for anyways we get to this island. They only gave us like an hour and a half to explore this island before he was gonna leave right my whole fear. The whole time was they drove us down. The guy was like sitting at the boat. He was gonna leave well. There are signs coming up to a gated all around. It's like no trespassing like danger. Do not come here so we're all think we're pulling up to and we're like okay. Is the guy gonna leave and then come back in and our if he sits there. It's kind of obvious that we're going to get caught by the police. If you just sitting in a boat outside so we get off. The boat go do are exploring and it was crazy. It was eerie. It was scary. The there's buildings on this it was like a mental. There was no one there not all not physical people at least but it was an old mental hospital over there to institute. So we're like going in and out of the buildings looking at stuff. We're hearing noises. Just you guys were the only ones that we know of and it was. It was the most weird feeling really felt like people were watching us. It felt like someone else was there. But we couldn't see anyone would hear noises. I thought maybe there is a while animal or something. I don't know but something else was there. Anyways we explored this whole place. We get to this point where we start to see smoke. Smoke coming out of One of the buildings and we're like sitting here like we're the only ones here. Why is there smoke. Yeah i was gonna pile of rocks. We have it on video. Like we were filming filming. We could see we could see smoke coming up like this is not good jake immediately. Had this feeling always tells me. Trust your gut. Trust your gut. I had this feeling that someone was framing us and that someone was going to burn down the island and that we were the only two on the island. We really we were gonna get framed in. It'll saw smoke. Smoke fire. And i and i was like this is homeless. People that live there. How would they get there. It's an island and sitting miles out from. There should be no one there. There's no way to get there unless you have your own boat. And there was no other boats around and anyways we start we start freaking out jake and we're start running like we had to get out of this place. My whole thought was the. We're going to get to the guy he's not gonna be there anymore. He was planned the guy that gasoline only thoughts running through my mind. Running to the plo. We finally were like terrifying running through this place. Because now you're already scared you know you're running through an old mental institute trying to find your way our still filming filming this whole thing and luckily we got to the guy the guy and he was in a like into it at all because we get over there he said what's wrong with the fucker him. He was scared he was like. Come on. let's go. Let's go And we ended up living like. We're here today. Where laugh court. But that was probably like the scariest thing because it turned from something like paranormal to something. So real you know. Maybe it was just an imagined nations to smoke but it didn't on camera. But maybe i don't know that was definitely the weirdest thing because i mean most hunted stuff. That happened to us like something will move something you actually saw their own is smoke coming up. Feeling the hairs on your back of your neck or standing the whole time. What's the name of this video of people want to see it on Something provia island. If you brennan taylor provia island you'll find it and i. It was terrifying. Only gods people can go. Watch it you guys ever seen. Did you know that a lot of times ghosts they form as smoke like they're apparition smoke. That's what i was thinking. Yeah i've actually looked like smoke but it's actually. I've actually been so tired that i'm driving home and it's like a kennel not a foggy night but kind of i feel like i've seen like people going through mike when i go through my car. I go through smoke. And i thought it was a person and i'm like is that a person or is it just smoke and i'm tripping out but it couldn't go over they can be like they look like sometimes like dark spirits like people have said like it looks like dark smoke but it's like in the shape of a person but it looks like smoke super farkas scary. Okay so did you guys ever physically see a ghost with your own eyes. I've never seen a ghost. I've seen little things happen. You know like something something like you know board moved to something or you know. I hear noise in another room when we ask for something to happen. But i've never seen a ghost. And i like i want to but at the same time i am kinda scared of the idea of seeing a ghost face to face but We we have talked to people who have seen goes and a lot of them say they literally looked like real human being but then you realize transparent like oh wait is yeah. Yeah yeah so. That's pretty freaky right. Yeah okay so that was the scariest one that you guys did one of it was one of the scariest i mean. There's a lot of scary stuff that happens to us but that was probably one of the top. I feel like in my opinion just because we are in a foreign country and year. We don't know what to do that. Like have you gone to salem. Have you gone around. we've wanted to. We were like we were getting really big on doing all the scary stuff right before kind of cove. It happened like we were travelling we. We're doing a lot of food stuff to we. were doing. Food videos and haunted travel type. Videos cobra happened and we kind of had to take a break but ever actually since could happen. I really started getting more in touch. With my religion and spirituality and stuff that i kind of wanted to stray away from scary stuff now like More like a paranormal type stuff. I don't wanna play the ouija board anymore. I don't wanna play with my own life in a way times. Have you played with ligi born. I play with the board way too many a dozen. Yeah we've had to do her videos and like we really actually play. When we're when we're trying to do videos were really playing this board. You know gone and gotten cleansed in like space clan. Pay pay two hundred and fifty dollars. One time for session to get like cleanse my energy. No it's real serious 'cause you never know like what portal you're opening. You know what i mean like. You really never know there's There's a hill in pennsylvania. Gravity hill have you guys heard of it. No we've heard of gravity how there's one out here too is there. We actually just to do. It didn't work. where was it instills omar. He didn't work for this. One actually works. This is in pennsylvania. And it's around. Where i grew up. And you go up to the hill. And you're like the hill is like this. And you put your car in neutral like a spot right before the bridge and your car just gets pulled up the hill. And it's fucking insane. We've done it really weird. We tried and we were hoping that it was going to work. It didn't work for us out here. Yeah i said the same thing. It's a hill and you put neutrals the car up so we're just going reversal. Gravity hills is the real deal. I mean to be so interesting. I mean i know it's a you know. And that's the thing is like dabbling with that stuff and like i've had a lot of mediums and i've had a lot of like clear violence and psychics podcasts. And things like that and you know dabbling with that stuff really scary because you know spirits can demons can mimic. Loved ones mimic. You know people that you think. Oh this is my grandma. But it's not it's a demon you. You're mar to tell the difference. Do you guys believe in demons. Oh for sure. Yeah and ever since you know getting more into like religion stuff you realize you know. There's we're here on earth for like eighty ninety years however long you last you know but after that it's eternal like we were talking about a my podcast like energy. You can't destroy it. We we are. You know it's always going to be so it's just like i don't know thinking about that like the eternal afterlife and if i if i fuck up in this life by inviting biman's into it and and all you wanted to play a game like that's the stuff that i've been recently and it's kind of straight me away from even making these videos win things back to normal i don't i don't think i'm going to anymore. He added. I mean it's probably best right because it's like you never know. I mean when you say you're getting into religion. What do you mean by that like. Are you practicing like a started reading the bible. Oh i started reading the bible i started. You know. I have this book where it's like forty years of devotions and every single day. There's a new one. And i've just started you know being more receptive to that kind of say like oh. I don't believe you know. Just because i didn't have any hard proof but i realized like if you like makes life worth living is believing in something you know and if i was going to pass it off because i don't have any hard proof that i'm just what i even living for. You know so that. I kind of just open myself up to more of ideas and stuff and i feel like it's preying and stuff is really actually helped me. Just get through my everyday life. Been praying for strength and whatnot. So i really i just. There's no reason not to believe you guys grow up with religion. We grew up catholics. But i don't. I'm not gonna sit and talk bad about a religion but like i like i resonate more with christianity. More than catholicism. I feel like it's like. I wouldn't even put like a certain religion on like i believe in a higher power. You know what i mean. I don't know what it is exactly the same thing. Yeah and what do you guys think about all the stuff. That's come out with aliens like how does that play into what don't get me started. I wanna talk about it. I don't even know what. I believe to be honest but i honestly believe more on the alien side than like the gods side. Could i feel like. I feel like if we really think it. Maybe the aliens are the gods that were worshiping. That's another. It's the whole thing on that but i don't know i think I think everything that has happened like me. Retract on brennan park on our podcast. We talked about the frequency thing. They're saying that. Maybe the aliens are like on a different frequency here with us now like live. They could be in this room just watching us. you know. we're living a whole other life and have no idea exactly right. They don't run different frequencies. Yeah i definitely think there's life on other planets have you guys ever google pictures of angels of what real angels look like. They're actually so google right now. It's actually so terrifying some of them like when you think of an angel you think of like the traditional angel that on your christmas tree where it's like a person with wings survey tattoo of one right like type in type in different types of angles because there's actually several different types of angels. Yeah and the only reason why we resonate so much with the angel. That person with wings is because that's what they're showing us. This is the most relatable thing to us. That doesn't scare us. But if you go to images you're gonna see a bunch of really terrifying images on one of them is a bunch of feathers. It's almost a circle with is all through out of it was like animals. They're all different names. there's animals there's all different shapes. Like i mean the whole angels aliens who knows you know and not to like you know disturb anyone's religious beliefs. But i feel like it is all intertwined. I mean just to think how big the galaxy is. How much is out there. And now we're starting to realize you know. I mean if we haven't already at this point that there's one hundred percent life out there beyond the fact that we would ever think that we're the only ones is like eggs ridiculous absolutely exhibit. Then that i mean not to step on people that are religious. Isn't that step on the whole religious thing that they're saying that god create him out. God created adam and eve doesn't that god created man Which doesn't mean that like. We weren't created a mean like it doesn't mean that we weren't created but that also doesn't mean something else wasn't created like somewhere else or created itself right. Yeah that's true. Yeah i mean even like the pyramids how we have all the same structures all over the world in like we didn't have phones back then to be like yo. Let's all make pyramids someone had come down and teach someone how to make a pyramid. And how we're all going to do it. You know what i mean. What's the pyramid even for. How did they move. Yeah all those stone. Hundreds of thousands of pounds back in the day without forklifts without you know like they said like they used like poll poli methods and whatnot take so many people in so much strength to move those and build them up to the top and they're pointing to. What are they pointing up channeling energy to to space to someone else weird. Are you able to go inside. I should do that on your next. Your next is cool youtube video. I mean if you're getting into religion you know you go into the tomb. Jesus was you know. Held the record before he was crucified. Jerusalem could go to jerusalem. You can go and experience you can touch the stone. He was laid on. I mean there's so many cool things you can do. And i mean i've watched videos on it and it's like even just watching the videos like i feel like i could smell the air in there and it's like it's so surreal like this is where it happened. You know this was written in the scripture. This where it was. You know you can touch all these things in see all these things Yeah i mean. I just think it's so interesting. There's also like have you guys seen those monoliths popping up. Have you seen that. I have seen that. That's crazy to i know i. I don't know the first one was crazy after that i feel like people might have just hopped carpet. One of those youtubers make one duke squad or one of these is made made a video saint like the claims. They made it like it was their idea to it. Originally or the all. I the one florida. They're pretty crazy. Look like the silver. If you guys google these monoliths that have been popping up everywhere. It's pretty freaking weird. But not only that. It's like the. Israeli army came out. And joe rogan posted about it and said yeah extraterrestrials exist. They came out and actually set it. So it's kind of like it's not even about believing anymore it's just about you know. Why haven't we seen them why we experienced some. I mean some people. Have i the reason why in the article it said that there. They know that humans will freak out and scare us will as time goes on have you. Have you realized that psych. How much crazy. Information is being withheld from us. Like for example recently maybe a couple of months ago the cia released declassified information about This program they were doing where people it was like a couple really power like meditation or something they would like close your eyes and they would get into a secret bunker that was like millions of thousands of miles away and they would like draw out. The schematic of this whole building and they would tell like the cia exactly where they where a person that was captive was put and then they would go there and they would find the person in that exact place and all this stuff that we will see in a movie or something. We think that's too far fetched from reality but in reality it's actually happening. I know that's really weird. If you guys start looking up the stuff that's been declassified lately there's also another one about That none of this is real that this whole world is a simulation. There's a cia. Did talk classified filo about how this is all simulation that we are just living with in our own reality of like what my perception of reality is what your perception of reality is. And it's all simulation you can read about it and it shows like all the diagrams about like where we are within it and then it's all just like you know an all time doesn't exist like everything is happening at once in different in different on different planes. It's just like a mile. Before before. I was really before i got into religion. I used to always just really think reincarnation was the thing when when you die it was like a video game. I felt life was like a video game like when you die you went that flash of white light was really birth coming back out. You know. you're you're being birthed again. Because you have to be recycled. I i you know and it makes sense in a way if you kind of think about it like that but Do you guys think that you're human spirit can be recycled into like a dog or like an animal or do you think it's strictly human-to-human. I think it could be. I mean brennan's dog straight up like a old man. I think my dog. It was a human at one point. 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Y'all gonna get your ninety dollars worth of free food green chef dot com slash ninety worst code ninety worse to get ninety dollars off and free shipping. Enjoy okay. we're back okay. So we were talking about reincarnation right and how possibly your animals could be people. You know you could. Your soul could go in an animal that kind of thing So there's this app called cartoon me have you guys heard of it of it. No so it's where you take a picture of yourself and it turns you into a cartoon and so i was doing it with my husband. We were like this is so funny. You know like this is great. I love it. Let's try it on the dog. And so i was thinking i was thinking. It's going to take the dog and turn her into a funny cartoon dog instead. It took the dog and made this. Oh god that's trying. All that's a nightmare. What do you mean. I thought it might and i'll share this with you guys. I think it captured her soul. And it does three different versions of the cartoon. This one's mouth's bleeding only captured her soul of who she was in another life. This old lady. Oh my god. I see area lady in a way is in the sole her soul. I feel like is in the dog. My dog's photo and wire all the faces like tried it again in will do the same pictures. I haven't tried it again. Because i was so free exemplary. The first scared me. Yeah it's really disturbing isn't it. And i'm in a post all these so you guys can see them but yeah i. It's called cartoon me does it. This is what it typically does shows you as a carshield ways. It's usually funding is. I think it's actually even by pixar or disney. And so i was like let me just do it to my dog and get cute cartoon versions of my dogs and instead it turned her into this fucking terrifying old woman who lived in the plague. Time something like that. So part of me like agrees with you. I think that like you know. Reincarnation is a thing and i talk about this all the time on the podcast and i've had like a a medium on where she said that you know we do keep coming back to earth until we learn all the lessons that needed to learn and then once we've learned all the lessons that we needed to learn them we can move on so then we move up to spirit guides and move up to age. You know it just takes a really long time. You know but if you don't learn everything that you need to learn while you're here you gotta come back and you know the craziest thing as she told me is that we choose our life really so it's so interesting to me because it's like you know people that have really hard lives. They chose that that's what she says because it's like their soul new knows what lessons at needs so it goes okay. This life will give me those lessons. Even though it's going to be really hard you know for those of you. That are listening to this. That are really tough. Situations are in really hard situations. This is a life. Apparently that you chose because you needed this you needed to learn these lessons. Your soul needed this. I've a friend who has a disability and he said i asked him like. How do you feel about this. And like i feel i feel fine. I know god did this to me because He knew. I could handle it base. And i was like damn he knew i could handle this more than the normal person could. What is his disability. If he suffers with dwarfism okay. So i was like damn. That's that's the real thing i've ever heard because like i don't know if i could seeing him like i don't know if i could live like it's like that's just shows how volved his soul right. His soul is so evolved that it was like okay. i'm so super evolved. This isn't a another trial for me. You know and his looks like he is just so evolved in his soul that like he knows like this was specific for him to choose for him. I mean i know a girl who She was. She's beautiful like leader blonde. You know walking around her whole life and then went on a ski trip with her parents and she went off like a just a kid jump and she fell the wrong way and she broke her spine and she became paralyzed from the neck down for the rest of her life. And i say the same thing to her. And i said you know. Do you ever get angry or resentful or like whatever. And she's the most positive happy person in the entire world like they told her you know you're never gonna move your arms. You're never gonna be able to walk. And she can't walk but she actually did. Regain like some mobility in her arlington and she says like no. You know like when it happened like of course your first thing is like oh my life is over. But then she's like something just happens to you were you. You accept it and you learn to live with it. And she's so happy now she's like engaged. She's like living her best light. That's crazy because i have seen other people i've watched testimonies about you know people that are paraplegics or something like that and a lot of them are. It seems like happier than the everyday person who has all their motor functions. And it's because they realize that there's there's more to life than these material things that were chasing you start to realize like oh shit like there's there's more you know more i mean. Sometimes it takes. I think something like that for people to stop and be grateful. You know like there's so many people in the world who have so much money and so many things and then they wake up every day and they're mad and they want more and they keep going. Only if i had this or only if i had that then i'd be happy then i'd be happy but they don't realize that's not where it's coming from has to come from you you know. Haven't you kind of felt like that in your life your own success by not. It's never enough. Yeah all the time. And that's something that i i suffer with because you know i i. I'm extremely blessed to be living life. That i'm living But yeah there is times. And i feel like it happens to everyone because i feel like we all just get caught up in our own every single day life that we're like you know we're used to the same way we are like for example yourself. You're used to living your life. You know you're used to your your status and whatnot that it almost just seems like nothing anymore to you but to someone else. It's a huge deal but to use is really nothing so you forget about the feeling of how long it took you to get to that place and you forget all that and you just keep wanting more and i think it's like it's one of those the seven deadly sins degreed hundred percent and isn't it kinda surreal is. I was thinking about the other day. I was thinking about back in the day when i was eighteen and i had a thousand dollars in my bank account and i thought i was so rich. Same i had like three thousand dollars the richest person in the world. And it's just so interesting. Like i will never forget that you know what i mean and you remember that you know to and and i and i look at people these days in everyone who's struggling especially with what's going on and i'm just like faulk like you just have to be grateful. I mean it's it's really i mean. Do you guys think with everything that's happening. The world is going to go back to normal ever like. What are your thoughts right now. Because gavin newsom just lifted restaurant. La he just opened up. The is adjust restaurants again. Or is it. I know restaurants are open so everything is kind of interesting happened right after biden not to get politico all but it makes zero kinda like right. After biden got into presidency. He was like okay now. That doesn't exist anymore on the news today. They said the cdc said one mask isn't enough to stop covert anymore so you have to wear a double mass but restaurants are open. Just doesn't make sense to me but and by the way. Did you guys know those people. That were those neckerchiefs. Those masks that are like just neck those whatever scarves they actually spread covid more than protect it because when you cough. It actually breaks the particles into smaller particles through that neckerchiefs because it doesn't have any kind of real protection in a c really. Should be wearing and ninety five masks if you can gonna you know force that upon anyone But yeah i mean like and the thing is it's so weird like people who are like cova deniers. You know what i mean like. Have you guys known anyone. I know people that. Say you can stuff and i also know people that have had it. Yeah did you know anyone pass. I don't know one that passed. Fortunately yeah i still. I only know like two people that have actually died from it Those my my friend's uncle he passed away from it and Other friends grandma passed away from it. But that's only people. I know and they were older but i was actually follow this one check on instagram. She's like a nurse or something so she was posting about how she got vaccinated. 'cause nurse and i mean i'm not i'm not gonna say like i'm foreigner against or anything. But like in her post she was talking about. How like the vaccination made her feel one she has to get to. There's two stages of the vaccinations so it's two different. Vaccinations are you have to get. And she said the first one for the first few days mayor so yes like fog brain. Mom gonna do that. My mom got the modern a- vaccination and she called me the day after she got it and she's like i feel like the sickest i've been in my whole life and shooting got bad. It's crazy and she was. Like i feel like i have the gnarliest flu that anyone could ever give me. My mom's been a nurse for over thirty years. And she she. She had to call it a work in stay in bed for about a week. Now she's okay but that was just the first one isn't even got in the second one yet. you know. i honestly don't think like the world can go back to normal. I feel like we're so much smarter civilians and we're like trying to know the truth about everything that we of don't settle for anything like the aliens. We wanna know the truth about it. You know what i feel like. I don't know we don't. I really don't believe half the stuff that the news comes out with. You know what i mean. I don't know no. I think about this a couple of months ago. Talk was showing all of the most raw information that you could ever find three. And the trump said and trump said we were shutting down unless you sell it to the united states and as soon as after that happened. They all fucking districts are all gone. Those videos time travel all kinds of crazy shit. All these documents that were released documents shit deleted crazy. Isn't that kind of kind of strange. Yeah it's like they don't want us to know but it's just like at the same time they're being so obvious about it like it's like we're looking at the computer screen. But they're saying. Oh no the computer screens really. They're right there you know. We're seeing all this information with. They're denying they're just trying to avoid like mass pandemonium because if they ca- if our government comes out and says aliens are real people will lose their fucking shit especially like really religious people are gonna lose their shea and like people are just going to have a war about it There was a tiktok that the girl posted And her dad has was a retired is a retired spy for the us government and she said to her dad. You know dad. What do you think the next war is going to be. And he said it's going to be a civil war. It's going to be a war here within ourselves the n. states of link people you know. I think it's going to be people believing people not believing me crazy happening. The i truly feel like the government has too much power like you know. Like i was just seeing something recently about like nancy. Pelosi buying all these stocks and stuff before like for a year in advance and stuff like obviously it's like insider trading martha stewart went to jail for like. Yeah people know we she. She bought a bunch of tesla. Because of biden's going to his electric vehicle thing that he just bought it for two thousand twenty three out of five hundred dollars point like is that nine hundred dollars now so she's not she's already understanding that it's gonna either drop or it's going to split again. She she bought it that it was gonna go up. Yeah i don't know what she either way. It doesn't make sense like that. They're like they just have too much power especially inside. And that's what's gonna cause eventually the civil wars that these people are. Because i i want to vote but i'm not going to be the only one you know. I mean. look at all those people that went to the capitol building. That was way too easy. Yeah spiracy theories about how they were just basically led in writing. Is the people mainly come on. The whole thing was really weird. Shit going on guys. And i feel like it's just gonna keep getting weirder and i mean especially like with cova coming out and then like you know there's a new every five minutes. There's a south african strain. There's a new strain in london. That's like way more contagious. I mean it's just gonna be like the yellow miami open everyone's clubbing. i honestly. this is be the biggest conspiracy theory. But what if we leave the united states in the world's normal and we've just been like putting this bubble and thinking that kobe exist now there is covert another. I did see that in australia. They had no covid. I get some but they the first one who did like the real lockdown and then They had no cases but then it started coming back. They really just got to stop people from travelling. That'd be like the best clothes all the travel for like two months. They just shut down the world for two weeks. Because we're the worst here in california because just leaves to go party had no one listens and i mean also just an america no unless it's relaxed my rights right my guns thing like i know so many people that literally will just fly to miami party then. Fly back to california. They're probably bring in the virus or they'll go to talulah mexico you know and like i have so many people they don't like they say that in la you have to quarantine for ten days when no one's actually doing it. Because i know friends who go straight from mexico to here and they're out walking the streets. It's such a shame. Like i have a friend who literally sends me video every night of him at like a raider fan l. a. still a house party with like hundreds of people know masks on and just bump and i'm like why are you there. And he's like i don't i'm immune and i'm like okay. Yeah it's crazy. I mean who knows what to believe. I mean i truly do believe that covid created as you know biological warfare like it was created to be something and it probably wasn't even finished and it just accidentally got out so there was working that it was patent then patented. Yeah like there's you can look it up at corona virus patent like and you can only patent something that's manmade. So why is there. A patent on on the corona virus. So fuck you can look it up. Because it's public information my brain candy handle it will go into a spiral of. We're just getting into like such a conspiracy. Is those changed my podcasts. I conspiracy theory when he but it's almost like when do you draw the line between it being against spiracy theory and it being real like it's like do you know there's just so much we don't know i'm definitely scared for the upcoming months because i just feel like you know. People are getting smarter and the government is just being more blatantly. Obvious with things in you know i it just disappears like bat like yeah was going to be pissed because look how much money everyone is lost and not made in the old. Did you hear about those apps called parlor there's parlor in there is another app signal parlor. Was this app. That was like unbiased. Like anything goes on there like you can make your own and you can just talk about whatever you want. People follow it in stuff so like it's unbiased by like tv or anything like that and they showed it down like biden. Shut down our on. Our someone did right when they like. The inauguration happened so like the aps off line. You can't even use it anymore. So they're just like weird stuff like that makes on. They're talking about real stuff. Yeah yeah there. I heard a lot of stuff about like censorship. Like when they. I mean like there was a lot of censorship stuff about freedom of speech in that. Were having their freedom of speech because like if you were to talk about covert or something and say something. Fake like they would pop up on a second like this fact truth. That happens all the time. So it's like they're taking away our freedom of speech by not allowing us to say what we want. So i guess that app. This allows you to save whenever you want. It doesn't block anything and like so. They took it down. Apple took it off like they're so my dot my doctors in tarzana. And he's a really good doctor and he has had over a hundred patients with cove. Ed he's treated all of them and none of them have died and he came up with like the perfect combination of things to treat them and he posted it on facebook and he got banned from facebook. He was like attention other doctors like. This is what i've been using for my patients. All all of his patients are elderly on my youngest patient and he hasn't lost one person to covert and he had come up with this perfect combination of different things and he posted it on facebook to tell their doctors and they banned him from well. That's something similar to i. Don't know if you ever heard of a nipsy. Russell is actually making a documentary about him. But his name is dr celebi. I've heard of that guy. So he was this guy who was really genius man and he believed in you know Traditional like traditional medicine but like real herbs and stuff like that to heal you and such and he was always a big believer insane like never eat cauliflower because it's manmade if it's not ali flowers green doesn't come from like the earth like it's white which means they made it in like they man made the seeds which then grow from there. Obviously but it's not really a real thing. Anyways he found the cure to hiv right. He published that he found the cure. Hiv in the new york times and the government came ensued sued him because he was putting false information out there and he was like it's not false information. He brought all the people that he cured of. Hiv into the court won the case that he actually did Cure it a couple of weeks later and debt. Once they found out that he actually knew The cure and that he could save people and the nipsy russell was doing a them and then he ended up dead dead. Big pharma is the scariest so because they wanna keep people sec for cancer out there that they won't tell people make farmer wants to keep people sick. I mean there was also that that that story of this guy. And i'm going to butcher this. But people can look this. Up is the guy who created a cure to like opioid epidemic for people that are heroin addicts that like the needles. Now that are to be made once you inject it. It goes inside and breaks. You can't use it again. So that lessens the spread of hiv aids and also helps end the opioid epidemic of people. Keep using these needles right. So he created this this needle that like once you use it. You can't use it again. And so he went and got it patented and this big pharmaceutical company went to him and was like oh my god. We wanna help you. We want to help end. The opioid epidemic. We wanna buy your patent we're gonna distribute it worldwide. And he was a user himself so he ended up getting coming clean. And you know this was a way that he like helped get over. It was bouza scientists as well and so he thought like oh my god. I'm doing such a good thing. They're going to buy it. And then they're gonna distribute it. They bought the patent from him and destroyed it and then he killed himself. He overdosed zoo. Killer himself because like they don't want you to get better. I mean then. I say this because i'm gonna anti-depressant been on it since i was sixteen. Okay i started when i first got put on it. I was put on it. Because i was cutting and i was really depressed when i was younger. And so they put me on. This antidepressant called effect sir. xlr k. i started taking it. I didn't really notice anything and then like slowly. I noticed that like less depressed. I wasn't as anxious that kind of thing. But i didn't really realize like what it was doing to my brain fast forward a couple years later i was like you know i want to try to get off of it. I wanna see how. I am now. Because i'm happy. I felt like. I wasn't happy. Because i was where i was in my life and the situation may environment so it was like i wanted to get off of it so it was like i. Scrap put on at sixteen at like twenty six. I try slowly weaned myself off of it. I was with worked with my psychiatrist. I took I did what was called a prozac bridge because this is one of the hardest antidepressants. Get off of basically your brain starts like zapping itself and then you get really dizzy. Throw up like all this stuff. It's like a. I've had friends that. Ron heroine that that were on also affects her and they said affects her. Withdrawal was worse than heroin Some weaning myself down. I'm using ten milligrams. Approach pose with it as i take the beads out to help balance so that my brain doesn't like you know. Get all weird. Because your brains used to receiving the serotonin right so finally after a year. Weaning down. I took a tire year to wind down. I got off of it right completely. Then i stopped taking the prozac within a week and then a week later is when i told you i couldn't walk straight. I couldn't leave my house. I was shaking all the time. And before i was on the antidepressant i wasn't shaking all the time. I had panic attacks. Like maybe like once or twice a month. But i wasn't having them everyday. I was having like fifteen panic attacks a day. No matter what. I ate when i drank when i moved. I was shaking a leaf and i call my doctor and i was like what is going on. He's like we'll give it two weeks. See what happens right two weeks later. Same thing. I was taking drill lake by the bucket loads just to calm my nerves because my fighter flight was so intense and i couldn't leave my house i didn't wanna i couldn't function and i was not like that before i got on and so i did an entire year off of this drug. Okay hoping that my brain would heal itself. You taking nothing just benadryl. For games learn to create its serotonin. Again it never got better. And i ended up like i said so. That was when i was doing my vines. And then i ended up becoming successful and vine and i had i had to go meet two meetings and meet people into shows and things like that. I was throwing up and like so. My anxiety was so bad. And i was never that way before you know. I went to school for years before without throwing up. And so i gave in and got back on and guess what the two weeks being back on it. Your phone make these drugs so that your stock. You know what i mean. They don't make them because they want you to be better forever. They want you to be better but also stock so there warm formulated so that it doesn't cure you. The you need it have to pay for it forever. Keep put money in big farmers pocket. What what would it be worth if you got better. If you didn't have to take that drug your whole life. You know. And i and i buy brand. So because for some reason the generic for me isn't as good it makes me sick brand is four hundred dollars a month because insurance doesn't cover it so getting that for me every month. What what would they do for the rest of their lives. that's all they care about. It's so corrupt it's crazy. They don't care about helmet healing you. You be like my grandma like. She suffers from dementia. She was it was just the start of it like we took her to the doctors and stuff and she had to start getting a like a lot. Different medications for and the medications have drastically like aged or age. Her like her dementia like she's literally was perfectly fine up Like like two months ago and are we see her like we have my mom. My uncle my sister her sister so we all do a month and take care of my grandma so we won't see her for like two months because she's with other family and then we see her and she looks like five years older like a hundred times worse than she was one of the medicines that she takes her super drowsy or she doesn't ball yet if she doesn't take this medicine and she has to take this one in the. It's just like it's killing her. Thanks shooting better not taking any. Yeah so they diagnosed her with dimension then put on the ads in jefferson now. She's getting worse. she wasn't even that bad. Yeah they the moment she got on. It went straight down his crazy. I just don't you know and it's really sad to me because all like you said it comes down to greed. And i don't know how those people sleep at night. I don't i really don't i mean the in their cushy mansions and you know they're so wealthy the people that are behind all the pharmaceuticals through some of the wealthiest people in the world. But they like they keep be sick. And i don't even know what has to happen for like it almost needs. We need like a modern day. Paul revere to come out. And you know and stop these big pharma's in all that you know. Because i i don't know what it's going to have to happen formulating drugs. That hurt people like everybody is banned in canada. It's banned in a lot of other countries because of what it does to you. You get stuck on it. And eventually i'm scared. They're going to ban it in the us. And then what. Am i going to go through the gnarliest withdrawal by life and never be normal again oxycontin with that had gift giving it to everyone for basically free in the beginning and then they slowly just stop the now. People were trying to get paid for it and that help drug addicts became the opioid epidemic insane. I mean it's all insane to be honest like it's like you know it's crazy just the the way the world is all you can do is just be careful like i tell all my listeners. People who are depressed and there haven't ever been on an antidepressant. I'm like do everything. Try everything you can before you get on one and then like the gentle ones are prozac and like alexa pro. Like those are the probably the most gentle ones are easy to get off of. If you're you know you don't wanna be on it eventually. Like those ones are the ones only ones that i've heard that people don't have the hardest time getting off of but pretty much all the other ones. It's like a fucking nightmare. So i always suggest people just try the alternative route. Five each teepee. Sammy try on. I wish i knew these things back then. I didn't know you know my parents didn't know so. Yeah fuck. I mean worse. 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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 2 - Greg Kinnear (10-25-18)

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 2 - Greg Kinnear (10-25-18)

"It's all about me. Dan, patrick. There is more where that came from click back for new episodes all week long. Kids giving BG not close enough. So that's based between you and me news the way, all dance and sway into the music girl. They embody and how you move and every time you cross my girl. Losey Alexa, play the country heat playlist. Okay. With Amazon music of voices. All you need get tens of millions of songs. Download the Amazon music app today. Broadcasting from the Mercedes man case, this is Dan, Patrick, welcome to the program. It's hour to on this Thursday. Dan at the Dan Patrick show. Greg kinnear. The actor is joining us here in the man cave. We're on we're on radio and TV right now. Greg just letting you know, you can you can wear the headphones if you want Larry David when he came in put them on Bryan, Cranston. Like a big stars of putting these on. All right, then I'm cool with it. We didn't wash him this. They smell a little funny. All right. We'll get to Greg here in a moment. Let me give you the headlines after last night the dodgers down to as a Red Sox beat the dodgers for two and series. Now shifting to Los Angeles tonight dolphins and the Texans. I guess this is the Brock Osweiler return bowl or revengeful as he goes back to he should have. No beef with the Texans. They overpaid for him. The Texans should have a problem with Brock Osweiler. So dolphins. Texans coming up tonight, Steph curry jobs, fifty one on the wizards Lakers of one again, they finally won a game. In fact, here is LeBron James talking about the win last night. Great to win period. But it's the feels good to know what we've been doing over the training camp in these first few games continue to get better. I think we've gotten better tonight in we want to try to continue that going forward. Yes. Thank god. They got to win. Now, they got Denver coming on Denver's undefeated and Denver. I think is one of the top four or five teams in the west Behler, West Virginia tonight and Steph curry dropping fifty one on the wizards poll question, they're mclovin is tanking a problem for the NFL. Fifty five percent say no, all right? We'll get to your phone calls. Eight seven seven three DP show. And our Twitter handle is at DP show is great career the new house of cards cast member long with Diane lane and the final season of house of cards, but he's been in so many other movies as good as against you got mail little miss sunshine on you were nominated as good as it gets best supporting actors, right? I one oh you one. No, I didn't. But I was hall. That would have been. I mean, I would have bought what would you? Did you have speech? Did you ever give the speech? Okay. You want to give the speech now if you would want and the wind on here. I'll actually let's just get that over with. Let's get it over with. And the winner is. Greg could hear Greg Kinnear. Great to be here honor to be nominated and finally bullet bullet home. Thank you who beat you Robin Williams for a goodwill hunting. Oh, so I had no issues with that. He was unbelievable. And it was a great group. It was like Anthony Hopkins. Burt Reynolds was in the category for good boogie nights. Okay now. So it was a fun night took my parents, what is that moment. Like when they've announced everybody, and there's that little pause, and there's a camera on you. And then what do you think? Yeah. The guy comes down, you know, and he basically takes a knee right here with the person you're like he tried to act like you don't see it. But it's it's literally you can feel the heat from the lens pointing at you. And he's just I I don't know. Fortunately, best supporting actor happens very quickly. So it's in fact, it's the first thing. So the show started. I've finally was there, and I would say about forty eight seconds. After Billy crystal had done is. Opening it was override lost. And then you gotta sit there and the entire time. And you gotta sit there the entire time. But but it was a good show. And I was thorough pleasure to be there. It was incredible. But Nicholson was up for. Yeah. This best actor. Yes. He he did he he unlike me, I see where you're going. He actually he did win. The I think I'm skewing negative. And I I don't mean to I I'm better than he did win as it Helen. And and we got. Yeah. The show the movie did really, well, it's a great film and still pops up every now and then out there in the okay? But was that your first big big break is with movies. I had done a year or two before I had done Sabrina, which was a city politic. Caspian Sabrina off of talk soup. That's a brave man. And you know, I did that film. That was really the first big movie that I had ever don't care. What do they see because talk soup? You did something that was unique. We're taking clips from TV shows, and you were having fun. Yeah. And so what do you think they saw where did Nicholson one shoe or how does that work where you get this role in this big movie? Well, I and it's a breed. I I think it's Sydney was from a very small town in Indiana. Smaller than the town. I was from originally, I'm from Logan sport. And he was from even I think Lafayette, and he had seen me on the television and said who is this guy? He audition everybody in the planet for the role. And he just was like when he found out. I was from you know, I think down the road. He was just curious to meet me and that kind of led to an audition and got me the job the as good as it gets was just Jim Brooks. You know, was is an incredible director and writer and talent. And he had a wonderful project that that he he sent to me. And I went in again, it was a I did go to Jack's house and have to read with him, which was terrifying. Hugo to Nicholson's house on Mulholland. That's right. Yeah. You walk in you, see all that great art work there. Yeah. It's yeah. It's I mean this lightly. Terrifying. You try to act like you're not nervous to be there. I mean, you try to act like the being at Jack's houses, the run of the mill kind of the only other time you've been. You've been there since. No. Oh, yes. I have been back up times. Yeah. I've been back. I've been invited back. Sure. Okay. We've gone to a couple of games together. And for a while we actually played a lot of golf, Jack. And I did what you're good. Jack's not good. Right. I I I don't want to take the fifth on what you said. When you set it up, you can cannot like I'm trying to be positive with you. I I I don't think he was he was not particularly good. But I'm not particularly good either. I mean, you know, he's an amateur. He was an amateur golfer. I don't think he's bland a lot much anymore. Most still belong to biller. Yes. Yes. Do you? See Al Michaels there. I do see, Al. Yes. I play I play with Alan on. You know, a semi regular basis depends how the seasons go on where he is where I am famous person you play golf with aside from Nicholson. It was Nicholson, man. I didn't know if you played with other than the pope could you identify? I'm just president of you. I've never played with tiger never played with a present almost played with Clinton one time, but that didn't pan out. And now I didn't win the Academy Award. Probably that you as you. When when you see the script for a little miss, sunshine. Yeah. Because it's such a sneaky great movie. Yes. And Allen Arkan's brilliant in there. I mean, just the whole cast. Yeah. And so when you see that movie like what are you thinking that here's grandpa teaching? You know, your daughter basically strip tease to win it telling show. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I I actually read that script I have daughters. I do I have three daughters owners. I I read the script. And I thought it was good John and Val Jonathan Dayton. Valerie ferris and the directors and they had this girl. Abigail breslin who they wanted to play as olive, and they were desperately trying to make this movie because she kept getting older. And so it took them a couple of years. So she went from like seven to nine. And then Finally, I think one of the producers just wrote the check to make the film. But I read the script the first time a friend of mine's, a producer sent it to me. And I thought. Yeah. This is good. This is happening. But I didn't follow out of my chair. I really didn't it. It's testament to my lack of good insights. Because I I really missed it. The first time I read it. And then once it became a reality. And it looked like it was coalescing. I took a look at it. Obviously again. And I was like this is this is so good. It's so rich every character is great every moment is great. And and in fact, I saw Paul dano at the tonight show last night. We were kind of rehashing our little miss sunshine rehearsal stories because we spent like a week together where we had that little yellow bus. And we all would drive around the cast all of us. Alan everson. The back everybody, we just buzz around Los Angeles. And I don't know we went bowling one afternoon. We'd do silly actor things, but it was three goal. Yeah. Lot of fun. We're also curious about you you played dick for meal. Yeah. But were you around dick for research? Do you do when you're portraying dick for me? I went up to he was in his last year at Kansas City. Right. And I went up to his training camp. I was at Appleton, Wisconsin does anybody would that be right? What is it? That sounds right. I think that's where they used to practice. Yeah. And the Packers. We'll check. Yeah. We're just making stuff up. Yeah. Exactly. Anyway, wherever it was. I think it was. I know it was Wisconsin. I went up to the training camp. And and they, you know, hot summer watching these guys work. He was he was excessive oil in. Now, he was super nice. And I remember him like taking me, you know, with all the guys at one point. You know, I'm playing dick. It's gonna be it's a it's a good script a good project. I didn't really know his work. You know, I knew him as a coach, but I didn't know him that. Well, so it was really great learning experience kinda get to tap into the guy. And all of a sudden as we were standing there with him coaching the guys they're all taking a knee. He's doing his coach daily says. And now, Greg like to say if you work. And I I had absolutely. I remember it was like one of the great. I mean, just sweat pouring them. I phase going football is important the number of reasons. Because the movies invincibles. This is one thousand nine hundred six. Yeah. So yeah. Couple of decades ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Mclovin one. Oh, it's river falls. Just so we're clear. Oh river, falls, Wisconsin. Oh, yeah. By way, lifelong dick from meal, and I cried every time he cried. And you did a great job. I just want to say I was at Westchester training camp as a kid watching the eagles like you did in the movie, and you nailed it. I was so taken with people who are cynical. We're always kind of cynical about his his emotion and thinking now, this is this guy can't control it or that. It's there's some sort of artifice to it. I watched tape on him, and it's all over YouTube there. You can go research it yourself. He honestly had just such a heart. I mean, he really did was just such a a passionate guy, and it just really came out. So it's great fun to play them because I felt like he was different in. He really was different. Let me give the full introduction house of cards and Greg Kinnear and Diane lane or two new cast members here so the sixth and final season a house of cards on Netflix premiers Nova. Member second. I'm curious of when you walk on have you ever been coming into something that's already established and firmly established his house of cards, and then kind of figuring out what's the water level or which the temperature of do. I gotta get up to a certain level or am. I so not feeling with what happened with Kevin Spacey. So how do you sort of find your way navigate? Well. I I haven't really to answer question. No. I hadn't had that experience before. I mean, I did an episode of you know, modern family I thing with Ross we just saw stealing things on friends years ago. So I had come into, but just for you know, bid or whatever that this was a obviously an extremely well established show and kind of an iconic show people have very strong opinions about it. So it was a little you know, off putting coming into it. And and you know, obviously, given our speed bump that we hit right out of the gate. Diane. Why are brother and sister Bill and in net shepherd there to basically wreak havoc against Clare? Who's now the president tail Claire well, yeah. And so we were up there in we're in Baltimore, and I just for like a day or two and kinda got getting started, and I was actually shooting movie in Memphis, and I went finish the work went back to Memphis, and I got a text from Diane saying are we doing this show is going to happen on my already fired. I didn't know what the hell she was talking about. And then the, you know, Google spear blew up and the tech started coming in and the whole thing with with him. You know, kind of you know, happened they had to shut down for quite a while obviously net fix took care of the crew which I thought was remarkable. How many did you shot? We just started on the first one just a couple of days. Yeah. No, it was odd. And then going back to it. You would. Listen, there's the elephant in the room. Right. How awkward is this going to be? I'm the new guy. Plus, you have this thing that's happened. But I have to say I genuinely feel like the crew and much credit. I've said to Robin who you know, there was an easy out for her. You know, your co star this happens. It's like, I think maybe this was you know, destiny we all walk away from this cap that train on the tracks. Everybody was there. They were enthusiastic. They weren't afraid to talk about their own experiences over the years, you know, but everybody knew what the job was it's it's a big show. And it does feel a little strange watching this thing that I had seen for many years. I'm suddenly in the White House with the characters that I've known all these years. And but it was really cool. It's great fun. They write devious characters. Do you like being a bad guy? I did in this. It was great. They had a good guy because you don't you don't have a bad guy. Look. Yeah. I mean, you're a nice guy. You're from the mid west. I mean, we're we're nice Cornfed. Good looks. I mean, that's us. That's true. Well, it's nice fellas. Yeah. That's what we are. I had to double down on the acting. You did s they had a double double it up. No. Honestly, I don't get that role that that often. So it was. Yeah. Would you like to play like a killer like a total dispatch? I, you know, I never did do like a lot of action pictures have been kind of I wish I had had a gun in my handle at some point. You know for one of the. Thing you can do like Bruce Willis stuff. You don't think it's too late. You can tell me. That's true. That's true, actually, everybody. Yeah. He wasn't always killing everybody either. It's still in the last. He's had like a resurgence in the last five seven years. He's a snow plow driver taking revenge on people in his his new movie. He liked those films. You don't want snowplow John rea- movies. Yeah. One of the best ones like scene. Fritzy, fritzy does a Liam Niessen impersonation hunt. You down. I will find you and will kill you. Good. That's pretty good. Okay. Police got a question for you. We each get one. We'll mclovin had his wasn't really a question. I think he just was fawning all over dick from you. Okay. There's a great movie you rain, call green zone. Matt damon? It's a war movie west weapons of mass destruction you play like a State Department guy who's really mean spirited, bad guy. How do you know, you're nailing a bad guy role? Because I thought your thank you. I guess I have done this. I guess I'm out of the corn. Fred nice sky thing. Apparently I because I forgot about the green zone. You know? I don't know. I man like. No, did you have to be. I remember Paul Greengrass who directed that. He's a very funny guy. You know, British lovely guy. Great director, and he just kept saying mall Butch. Butch it up just kind of more bad. And but I have more place. But it was. But I, you know, it's always in the writing it's always in the script. You know, anything? I I never looked for any particular kind of role. I always feel like. The role finds you read something and you're like, wow, I never saw the world quite like that. Or I never saw character quite like that. And you dive in. Well, it's you know, I understand it. Because obviously told me about your film work. How many movies have been in Pauley movies are films? Oh, that's right. We have both. I don't know if I've been in a film. It's been pretty close. But you've been in about I'd say eighteen movies. Yeah. Wow. That's quite a bit of cinema. Okay. Here's my question for you. Greg kinnear. When I die, and then they have in memoriam at the Academy Awards will I get my picture up there. You're going to when you die. But we'll I I have eighteen then you will Ferrell to sing at your. Yes. Yeah. You will to get your you got out. You're trying to get all your all ready stacking the deck for I'm already planning my pallbearers. What would happen? What's the what's the question? So there would I be up there in in memoriam. Oh, if after thirty movies, let's say twenty five. Yeah. I think he probably would I think there's a positive Sandler movies that that that doesn't matter? Listen, I'm gonna lobby for it. How about that shape? And you don't want. I'm invite you to my funeral. Listen. It's a weird thing. Thank you. Thanks, dan. Have you been invited to a funeral invited to a lot? So this is good. I'll take anything I can get. I'll see you. There's I was going to have just Academy Award winners there. I. Yeah. No, no open the party up a little bit for crying out loud. Would you do an elitist? Would you do a one off talk soup again? I would under the right circumstances. Maybe this this current culture. Yeah. You bring your smarmy snark there and just kill it. There is no shortage just. Absolutely. Yes. See I was just checking your IMDB, and I have as an actor. I have twenty eight credits. Why gay credits you got movies necessarily, but twenty eight credits as an actor? I'm sort of the American Michael Cain. My god. I know because you don't see you seem the he don't seem this like you have this are of a filmography become the role. Yeah. My finds me, right. That's what the great one. But you and Daniel Day-Lewis man I God. I did play Lincoln. Okay. I played Lincoln Sandler movie. Okay. Yeah. There you go. I think that's why that's why I couldn't quite put it together. I do think by the way might give name is Daniel Patrick. I do believe the Daniel Day-Lewis retired from acting when he saw me playing Lincoln. I think that that was it. He he he'd said I there's nothing I can do with the craft here. Not anymore. I quit. Yes. Yes. Fritzy? Your question for Greg Kinnear. He's got to leave real quick being the son of a US diplomat and moving all around the world, Lebanon, Greece etcetera. How did that? How did you tap into that? And how's that made you who you are especially as an actor? Hard to say, I you know, it was a great gift. You know, my father took us to far away places with through the American embassy when I I was a kid and incredible experience. I mean, I consider myself very lucky to have done that gave me, you know, great perspective on things. I don't know, you know, in terms of of how it's informative serious, quite what was the question. You said this morning. You were going to ask news bears. Oh, what about it? Great nuts. Like the manager of the Yankee team that went up against the bad news bears. Newsradio. Bullock was Ray Bullock. Okay. You were going to ask him that question. And I was gonna ask them. But then I was thinking about that, maybe more profound. Listen, we were into a serious conversation there. If you don't mind my band. Okay. What do you want to ask? You did you did you study any managers coaches do anything? Baseball wise, preparing for that role as being the, you know, the evil manager of the other side. You can just say no, I spent some time in Lebanon, which to Karen. There you go figure. It was the Lebanon Lebanon. You can see Greg Kinnear in house of cards the sixth and final season. It's Netflix premieres November second thanks for stopping by Dan. Thank you for having made. I look forward to your next film and all be closely. It's a movie you'll cinema. Do you know that I at the box office? Yeah. Two billion dollars. Yeah. I am boxoffice golden Sandler had a little bit to do with it. But the movies I've been in two billion dollars. I'm the Will Smith of sports in answers. Listen, I gotta go. Gotta get outta here. He's gotta get outta here. Thank you. Stop by the thanks. We are back after this on the Dan Patrick show these days. News travels fast, which is great. If you're a sports fan between status updates breaking news. 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With Amazon music of voices. All you need get tens of millions of songs. Download the Amazon music app today. Franken was good. It was fun. Good sense of humor. Dan, Patrick show. Brought to you by the Twenty-eight thousand Mercedes AM g class they've got a suite of innovative technologies. It is one of the most intelligent cars on the road. Go to MB USA dot com or visit your local dealership to schedule your test drive today before the show we were all sitting around going. All right. What do we want to talk to Greg Kinnear about? And then paulie goes can we all have a question? And I said, yeah, you can't. But let me hear the questions. Somebody went around the room. Mclovin. Wanted to talk about Sabrina paulie had his question. And fritzy goes I want to ask about the bad news bears. He's a Yankee manager. I said, okay. So then all of a sudden, you drop the, hey, your dad was a diplomat and you play autumn. I kill. Kill the benders bands. We make. And then you could see his face when you're asking the question. He's he's got like scrunched up face like lewd where we going with this not exactly inside the actors studio James Lipton here, but we kind of represent the fans because whenever we have an actor on on Twitter. Go ask them on this moving not necessarily the main movie they're known for you can go to Rocco dot com. All the parts your car will ever need auto dot com. A family run business. It was founded by automotive engineers in one thousand nine hundred ninety two goals in mind give you direct access to all the parts information hidden in the computers in catalogues behind the parts store counter and second to make those parts of Ford -able by offering reliably Lou prices, Rocco dot com. Twos. The park brands prices features. You want anytime twenty four seven rock auto dot com. A lot of the parts you've been told dealer only no longer available. You don't have to waste time. Phoning driving waiting in lines. They delivered right to your doorstep. And you can right, Dan. Patrick in the how did you hear about a spot? So they know that we sent you all the parts your car will ever need at rock auto dot com. Todd in North Carolina joins us. Hi, todd. Hey, dan. How's it going on joined the segment with with Gregg was pretty awesome? Thanks to comment y'all were talking earlier about different concert Kellogg onto and I had the the benefit of going to see Elvis twice when I was young. I was like five and seven years old. He's come to our town. I would just see if anybody had ended up Dan answer probably too young to to have seen him. And I didn't know if you've ever seen Elvis or anybody in your crew, obscene. No, I did not. But thanks for the phone call. I did not. And I think it's the fiftieth anniversary of Elvis when he was dressed in black all black leather. And he did that TV special. And I think at the time behind the scenes that Elvis didn't wanna come out. I think his wife Priscilla had to talk. Him into doing that special that night that he wasn't even going to do it. And I don't know exactly what his fear was. But I think there was something that was going on that he was worried about his career. And but he did that special. He looked he never looked better than than that special. That was fifty years ago, tan hair. Look great had black leather on and was killing it. All right. Let me see got. Are. We going to stay with the poll question love. I think we should switch it up. Okay. So the question was is taking a problem for the NFL. I decide question off that. All right. Do you want to be two in fourteen or seven and nine in limbo in NBA limbo is the worst? And don't want to be thirty five. You wanna be bad or good? Yeah. NFL? I'm not sure like how do you feel if you're a Browns fan bills fan a cardinal's fan right now? Are you like well at least we get to restart or is this just depressing? Well, I think if you're a Browns fan you just want to see progress any of these bad teams he want like Arizona right now. You wanna see some progress? Whether it's Josh Rosen of David Johnson doing something you feel bad for Larry FitzGerald that. This will be his last season. The offensive line's not very good. Imagine Patrick Peterson. He goes in and meets with the owner who then says, we're not trading. You normally when you go in to talk to the owner, they're going to tell you that they're trading you or cutting you and here's Patrick Peterson probably going in there going, please. Tell me you're going to trade me, please. And then you go in we're not trading. You. Because I thought maybe there was a chance he was going to end up with Kansas City is I think if Kansas City picked up Patrick Peterson. And the defense is young in Kansas. This is pointed out to me yesterday. Hey, you keep talking about Kansas City's defense wait till the end of the year. And then let's have a conversation of how good Kansas City St. fence is and I said, oh, okay. Because this NFL scouts at they're good. They don't know it yet. The defense is good. They don't know it yet because they're young. Then I said, I don't find it that we're going to check in with the raiders Ray Ratto covers the raiders and always great to talk to him. And there's there's some turmoil. Some tension going on behind the scenes there. And what people thought was crazy concept idea question that I brought up a month ago is not so crazy now when I said, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if Derek cars not with his team at the time. They get the Vegas. He might not be with his team by the time. They get to next week Tuesday. Yes. Mclovin. If you're the raiders and someone. Called a table. Give you a second rounder for Derek mom or maybe a low in first round. I gotta get first rounder. I found. Yeah. I gotta get it. First rounder. Yeah. I think so. And you got him later in the drought later in the first round. But still, you know, if Jacksonville called up and said, hey, what's it gonna take to get Derek Carr? I'd say I gotta have a first round here. I mean, you got a first rounder for Amari Cooper. Now granted the Cowboys overspent, and they were desperate to get somebody in there. You know Jackson whoever's trading now there's going to be a little bit of desperation. They're mclovin, forget, the logistics and the salary and everything. Well, how about teddy Bridgewater from New Orleans is the backup there to Jacksonville to get a shot. If you're New Orleans do you wanna help Jacksonville granted there in the AFC? But do you want to help them in? You know, how valuable is teddy Bridgewater to you second rounder. I guess I have no idea. Thank you went. He went for third rounder this off season, right? Starting tonight. There is live football either college or pro on TV every day for the next twenty seven days that's through the night of no pets November twentieth which is Tuesday of thanksgiving week. So we got some action there Samak's football coming up. And you've got pro football coming up tonight. Jeff in Rochester joins us. Hi, jeff. What do you have for me today? Morning, Dan, thanks for taking my call. Big fan of the show. You guys do a great job. Thank you. Jeff. Definitely two and fourteen over seventy nine I'm a lifelong bills van and we have been in the middle. You know, eight nine seven we had kicked you're on the seven and nine three straight years and being in limbo is just the worst. You know, you're not good enough to contend. But you're picking in the teas and the draft and you never get those top-five prospect. So yeah, I gotta go with two and fourteen over seven to nine every day of the week. I'll hang up and listen. All right. Thank you. Jeff. Yeah. I think it goes back to that. You just don't wanna be in limbo. And it feels like if you're seven and nine are you close to being nine and seven or ten and six they're just certain teams you feel like they top out with eight or nine wins. And they're not going to get much better than that. I would rather be really bad to then get good or really good. We've seen this in baseball with the cubs got really bad in the Astros got really bad. And the Marlins have done this twice where they get really bad. And then they get really good in football. Can you have a turnaround like that? Because normally you bring in a new coach or an offensive coordinator new quarterback. So it's a little bit different basketball. I just need one guy who can come in and change the fortunes of your team. Yes. Mclovin. And the AFC east. I've heard the narrative that they're waiting for Tom Brady to retire. So they're constantly rebuilding awaiting. But doesn't seem like that's about to happen. And we thought maybe you know, buffalo being a playoff team. The jets were going to be a little bit better with Sam darnold, and the dolphins were going to sort of be a, you know, they'd be a tough tough out against New England. They usually beat New England, you know, down there. But the east is once again, it's sad division. Yeah. Point going back to David car. Dare cars looking at the two thousand fourteen draft which of these quarterbacks careers is in the best shape. These were all drafted in the first round. I second round. Blake bortles. Johnny manziel. Teddy bridgewater. Derek carr. Jimmy Garoppolo five guys owned five different directions. I guess I'd rather be Jimmy G. Even though he's out for the season. Yeah. I don't know. What's gonna happen with teddy Bridgewater because if you're you're waiting for drew Brees to retire? I can't see Brees, you know, balance out here anytime soon. Yeah. Mclovin. I I think Bridgewater hits the market at some point. He does. But he sure seemed like in preseason that he's a pro this breeze. Look adding different now than he did ten years ago to you. Well, they threw it more. So I think the being able to adapt to an offense that changes when you're the star of that offense. Now, he's he's he's sort of the compass there he's not the star of the offense. It feels like it's the running game. Then offensive line is really good. You got good wide receivers. They're breeze almost feels like the complementary quarterback to them whether or not asking him to throw for three hundred and fifty four hundred yards. But he's going to have a great quarterback rating. It feels like other quarterbacks are asked to do more or you you kinda count on them to do more. But breeze breezes played this. Well, because I I'm gonna guess other quarterbacks would have probably said, wait a minute. We're going to be a run first team. And you know, they still throw it. But you still look at that offense should line and running the football. Yeah. Mclovin. Yeah. Thirteen zero picks. Unbelievable. But you're right. He's below a lot of guys in yards. Which is the first time I've ever seen that Matt Ryan leads the league and he's not playing particularly well new yard in. I hate to say this has saber retro guy quarterback yards. Don't mean as much as they used to. What means something? I don't know. Maybe TD to interception ratio. I think it's red zone efficiency. That's third down efficiency and red zone efficiency. Those would be the two stats that I would really want to Bank on it. If I was looking for success. I don't know if we can ask stats Inc. Who is the best at third down conversion and who's got the best red zone conversion percentage ally Manning's has his highest rating of his career, and it's not even close he's at ninety four point one. And I think everyone thinks he's playing awful because he's getting all these junkyards playing. Well. No, he's definitely not. But he's completing a career high sixty nine percent because the pass has become like a short, Pat, he throws the saquon. It's not real these numbers are totally inflated. But how many guys are completing sixty five percent of their passes or above like, he gets it. That's unheard of that used to be unheard of. But you know, they were throwing defenses could manhandled the wide receivers the defensive line linebackers had a little bit more say in going after the quarterback. Now, it's just I'm gonna throw it short, and you can't touch my wide receiver, and you can't touch me. You know, you should be completing seventy percent of your passes is breeze. Still at seventy percent of it. Let's take a break. We'll look at those numbers. Drew Brees completing seventy seven percent of his passes. All right. We'll take a break. More phone calls coming up. 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Five over seventy I believe and want to guess how many under sixty so you get five over seventy five over seventy. I'm going to say six under sixty four under six. Okay. Just four all four starting quarterbacks. Who were throwing under your under sixty percent are rookies all four. Yeah. Baker Sam darnold. Josh rosen. Josh Allen his last in the NFL fifty four. Yes. Who is the worst quarterback in the NFL non rookie in completion percentage? One guest. Cam newton. Blake Bortles Blake Bortles as Cam is way up this year because the screen passes and north Turner. Oh, he's had a career high. But this this that is all like Sam Bradford has the all time record. So what does that tell us? I don't know if that's true. But I mean, these guys are doing screen passes. But seventy seven percent of your pences through seven games. That's remarkable. I also I asked for this. I don't know if this is telling her not the best third down conversion best third down completion percentage, or you know, completing I m. He lamenting. Almost seventy five percent of the ton third down. Conversion how is that possible? He lies completing sixty nine percent of his passes to. Derek Carr is second best in the league right now. So he's got seventy two percent. Completion percentage the best red zone. Percentage. I know this. Okay. Joe flacco beat the ravens had set a record for most red zone. Completions early in the season. No, no that tiny. This is drew Brees. Oh, well, and then Derek Carr. Let me see if stats got this right of what I was asking for. Oh this. So this is completion percentages in the red zone. I'm looking at conversion I'm looking at converting a third down into a first down. I'm looking at when you get into the red zone. You score touchdown those the number. So if if Blair from stats Inc. That's what I'm looking for. Yup. Who would you guess is the worst starting quarterback in the league in quarterback rating, non rookie, non Bortles? No fence. He's actually worse immortals. There are four rookies in the bottom five of quarterback rating. There's one veteran. Man. I hate to pile on this guy. Trent Dilfer, Marcus. Mario. Sorry. Throw interceptions and still we know you can't Marcus mariota. Wow. Oh, here I ask. And I I receive. So just a completion. Oh, no. They didn't. They didn't do that. All right. So I need to I need red red zone conversion for touchdowns in third down conversions for first downs. Yes. Mccan makes sense. Now. He's alive will be like third and fourteen throw a two yards. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we've been saying that so. Yeah. No, not to play alone. Let's see Brian in Boise joins us, Brian. What do you have for me today? I think he's taking my call Dan time long time by three quarters on eighty eight. All this talk about front office tanking and I apologize. If I missed it. But I can't believe it will be springing up nineteen Eighty-nine Cleveland Indians. Okay. Enlighten us. What will without from his tanking names? Like, Jake Taylor. Rickie Wild Thing. Bonn, Lee, Mays Hayes and patriots Serano wouldn't be everyday name. Okay. You're right. Major league. Well done. Thank you, Brian. You know, what we missed them? That that they they were told to tank and they defied the ownership. Yes. Mclovin. I mean, they had a little extra help they did use voodoo as part of their process. Willie Mays Hayes how how how long did it take pictures to know not to throw a straight fastball Toronto because it's going out every clip it's going out in the curveball. I couldn't even touch it. He had holes in his swing like a young havi bias you point in with an hook on it. It's not gonna hit it, Scott and checks is two inches high. Scott, what do you have for me? Two and a soft to thirty. Back to the whole you want to be eight and eight or two and fourteen. I just wanna be bad enough to get Jason Garrett sired. Whatever that number is, what do you think that number is Scott? L? It may be oh and sixteen. Yeah. Might. For next year. I know thank you, Scott. Yeah. That's the number one question. I get from cowboy fans is always how does Jason Garrett get fired. When does Jason Garrett fired that that's number one. It's always about Jason, Gary. And I don't know if Jerry I mean, you're this far in I don't know if Jerry is going to change coaches. The only reason why I thought maybe if Jason Garrett gets fired and you want to bring in Sean Payton. What he leave New Orleans, and he might not want to with that that team is good as they are right now. But if the money's great in Dallas, what do you do something like that? Final hour coming up. More phone calls. Also, check in with the Oakland Raiders just heard from Johnny bench. Johnny Senate tweet to fritzy he displays all of his golf clubs, his ten Gold Gloves. Nice. 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Unpacking Packers Drama; Jets New Uniforms

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Unpacking Packers Drama; Jets New Uniforms

"Round with the NFL podcast. Ever slide into the? While another the around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan, I am joined any room build with some heroes. Mark Cecil to my left. Greg Rosenthal to my right? What is up? Does need. I well this happened a lot obviously during west is successful war against cancer. But I can't remember it's been awhile since the three amigos in the room have been together here that was everybody. Were calling ourselves stats are name. Why not but three Migo heels? A little definitely sounded a little too excited. The west it's definitely like a popular dad movie, you know, and we're bunch of dad's. I think it's a little before our time, but speaking of being budget dads and Ricky brought it up ripe for we started. So the shield came back on Wednesday should let you guys know that we are wanna know twenty three to twelve conquest over dollar taco played more like fifty cent taco. And very sore right now by body. So I am aging almost thirty nine. Now Ricky, though makes me feel better because young Erica tampo. See also feeling some aches and pains from the opener. I am. Yeah. It's also just muscles. You haven't used in a long long long time, different muscles. So it's like I was getting out of my car. And I lifted my leg to you know, swing out of my car and like the top of my thighs. I was like what? I like how you described that. You swing your leg out of like, you have a prosthetic or something. I do sprinting, you know, you're not doing a lot of sprinting and regular life that when he scored twenty three runs. There's a lot of running around the spread. Is that your biggest rump of all time? We've had games where we put up runs like that. But it was a nice way to start the season. A lot of people west played great. In fact, hit a home run and got on basis. He always does we we really hit the oil fielded pretty well. And the pitching by Brooke was always good as always. And there's one issue, and we're gonna get to it at the end of the show. Right. And it's side of dollar taco being in your league to begin with. Are you in are you even in the same league that you were in last time, we are in the same guests seem very suspect? They are new team and the has some hitters, but we took care of business. We there is some unfortunate softball related shield matters that we will hit at the end of the show. I'll just leave it there. Not everything was good on Wednesday night. Just like a little tease. Let's say that in this situation. Mark Cecil is not a Ted Thompson like character falling asleep during meetings. So he's on top of. We awake and ready to pounce coming up on today's show. Yes. The mailbag we have an open it up in a few weeks. So we reached out to our wonderful wonderful listeners of the podcast, and you guys hit us up with a bunch of questions. So we'll answer some of those. But let's start with the news. And yes, the big news of the week in what's been a slow week in the NFL. Well, good job by Bleacher report and Tyler done because they pick the perfect time to drop a bombshell about the Green Bay Packers. I guess there's only one thing to do. What's that? When the whole. That's leadership. That's that's Tom Barringer for major league. That's what you want in a locker room. That's what the the shield has. We have expert leadership at up at the top. What about the Packers locker room? Jake taylor. Isn't it wasn't major league? Great movie. The Packers Bleacher report dropped a long long long study of what went on behind the scenes the downfall. If an overall thesis of what was that these of this piece by Taliban? The downfall of the Packers related the relationship between Mike McCarthy Packers coach you've got fired last December Aaron Rodgers and the overall feeling of a huge missed opportunity. What could have been a dynasty wasn't. Why was it the case and Markle star with you here? There's the two principal characters here. Neither come off looking. Well, it McCarthy who comes off as a guy who got complacent and lazy and misguided about why the team is successful right down to missing meetings to get massages, which he categorically denies and then Aaron Rodgers a superstar who does not know how to get along with other people who is petulant who is sensitive, and the pack. Cours could not be functional with these two people at the center of the action. Yeah. I mean, this is one of those articles where suddenly Tyler done does all the work. He uses every single beat source avenue that he has used to attack as be right? He wasn't the past puts it out there. And then you get everyone else commenting on it and wanting to get their tweets about his story liked and re tweeted because it's one of those things that just takes off, and everyone has a point of view. It is a football story to me the skeleton of it is about football to some degree. But it it fit much more in like psychology today because it's about football to one degree. But it really was the study, and it said in the article, it was well stated an arranged marriage. That went totally south, basically. And I came out of it just fascinated to read how honest some of the sources got with him about what was going on behind the scenes, and I I look at Aaron Rodgers I don't know if I look at him differently because I think even on this show, we've always recognized that Aaron Rodgers. Is a little bit of an extra character a little bit of a different, dude. And to me this was it clarified some of the stuff about Rogers separates them a little bit from Tom Brady. I look at him as someone who has been a chip on the shoulder type quarterback which can be used in a well in a very good way. And he has but the mere of that is I feel there's a b line of an element of him the retakes grudge and he holds onto it for a decade. Plus, I mean, we heard that he essentially had a grudge against Mike McCarthy from the minute they were put together because Mike McCarthy with the Niners favored Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers we all know about the draft day sitting await for the Packers quarterback. And it never really got a whole lot better. And the thing that bothered me a little bit. And there's so much into your was the immense amount of backbiting and backstabbing that happened from quarterback towards coach in this. And also the coaching losing his essentially, according to this article his zeal to. Lead the team down the stretch. It will I think Roger's never based on this article fully bought into McCarthy's coaching. Yeah. That he was ultimately a helpful person in his career. And that's a thought he was smarter than Mike McCarthy. I mean, even he probably is. I mean, I I don't think many people would doubt that. But the fact that that relationship was so toxic throughout is is a shame. I mean, it's it's a bummer and my immediate thought reading this. And they hit on it towards the end is like the Packers struggled here because they don't have an owner. They're in a unique spot. Now. Now, there's a lot of NFL owners out there that maybe wouldn't have the ability or the gravitas or the wherewithal to step in and fix this situation anyways. But the Packers literally don't have an owner, but they had a president did. But even even during a lot of this especially early on that president figure, Mark. Murphy was not as powerful and not as up front as he is. Now, that's that position has taken some transition over the years. They did have a general manager. And so maybe it was on Ted Thompson to step in. Because ultimately McCarthy, I think some of the things that stuck out to me was McCarthy had to understand that his relationship with Rogers was the most important thing. And he never was able to address that in ultimately Rogers was never going anywhere. He's one of the greatest quarterbacks ever. So if this is the problem like that needed to be addressed quicker, either it sitting them the two of them down or it's getting rid of McCarthy quicker. I mean, it does remind you about the NFC championship in twenty fifteen that not only did he run the ball three straight times before punting it back to the Seahawks and not not cut brand boss boss, but he kicked field goals on the one yard line two different times. And it just a reminder of like, that's the type of thing that drove Aaron Rodgers. I think crazy over the years. I think there's a lot of different ways to view. How the Aaron Rodgers comes off. But there's not as many different ways to view how McCarthy comes off. It's crazy to think that the jets were reportedly interested in Mike McCarthy, there was whispers that Cleveland was that if you were a team right now saddled Mike McCarthy in this article came out as a fan you'd be concerned because he comes across as someone that to your point Greg the fact that he was stuck around for so long almost immediately outmoded as a strategist that the big the big that seemed like there were factions in this article the way there are when these come out where there were certain Mike McCarthy people who had issues with Aaron Rodgers the person then there were others who felt like it said that people sympathize with Aaron Rodgers for being stuck in an offense that never evolved around the league of talking about it for years, right? They're the most predictable kind of basic and not here not too because he'd had and calling them out for not adjusting type off. And so that you can watch that and you can see that. Then again, you all the stuff about Roger doesn't mean. It's not true. Like you've heard you've heard a lot of stories behind the scenes. Kill someone. All right something early on in their days as a beat writer of the Packers that Rogers in like, they won't speak to them for the rest of their time there in Green Bay. So that's that's part of it. And I think voice like James Jones who worked for our network and immediately kind of came out and was like that's not the Rogers. I know like the the one I know like one hundred percent is a leader that we followed that like we like that relationship. It does not seem like Aaron Rodgers necessarily a guy that's gonna get everyone on the same page. But I think if he respects you there's a lot of people that that have no problem with their enroll the strongest voice in this was Ryan grant, and he came out hard on Rogers. But Ryan grant is not being with the team for half a decade. Plus, I think with why articles like this are so great is this is all stuff that's been kind of under the radar and people that were close at all new. And I think that's why Mike McCarthy, for instance, the jets interviewed him, but never gave him any serious thought from what I heard behind the scenes, nobody else really took interest in them because this was all stuff that was. Out there within football circles that McCarthy had lost his eel that he kinda had lost the respect of Aaron Rogers. And Rogers to me is the thing that I took the most interesting at of this, and quite frankly was disappointing to read a lot of the things about his inability to connect with the young players how how hard he he rode young players as young wide receivers. The the way people are scratching their heads like how can you just cut people out of his life and not ever think about there's no kind of going back. Once you do that. He he has no relationship with his own family, Mike McCarthy. And it's a obviously not a great relationship that they ever had going back to for some reason Rogers put it on McCarthy that the Niners picked Alex Smith ahead of him that Mike McCarthy preferred Alex that he I mean, listen that was just a football decision. He buddy kept that with him Mike McCarthy tried to have dinner and and tell Aaron like, maybe reach out to your mom. Rogers was. Having any of it. And there is two sides of story. It's good to hear a guys like James Jones who say the other the other side that this was a leader. But you hear a lot here. There's a lot of smoke here that I buy into that Rogers is a major problem that why they haven't won the Super Bowl since two thousand ten and I do worry about and we and we briefly spoke we did an interview with Matt leflore at the owners meetings. He was not consulted Rogers before the Flora's hired. I don't know if that was a smart move, honestly, internally with that organization the way what they know about Rogers. And I and he's around the same age is Aaron Rodgers if Aaron Rodgers thought he was smarter than Mike McCarthy and elder who had been in the legal time. I wonder how that relationship is going to go with a young young guy first year coach it's a dicey situation. They said I found it interesting like Rogers type that wants to be challenged on some level that they felt the part where Mike McCarthy felt threatened by Alex van pelt who had a relationship quarterbacks. Coach is a lot of people thought highly of you could sort of see that even in the way. Carthy talked and carried himself that he got his own ego involved there, and I think Roger's gonna wanna coach that feels like as adding to him, and he probably never felt that with McCarthy, and whether that's right or wrong, like I don't know the organization to me would have had to step out, but you do under because some of these rookies you're talking about they're still on the team like the part about equity Minia same Brown and Marcus Valda scant Ling getting frozen out for or struggling with not knowing what to do. Because should I listen to Rogers and run the route that he wants me to run on in the middle. Or should I listen to the coach and cover for the terrible terrible. Look for Aaron Rodgers that he would put these young guys in that position where you can't win either way. And if you're a young guy trying to sabotage yourself in the league like you gotta know better. You got to be a better leader than that. That's like Tom Brady certainly run off like a million wide receivers over the league over the years on New England that couldn't get up to speed. But gloating a lot of young ones. I'm not saying I'm just saying that's part of. It's tricky. You gotta you gotta find the right line. But like that's part of being the quarterback on some level. I think the difference with the young receivers in Green Bay being caught in the middle of coaches demands. And the idea that they talk about Aaron Rodgers when you're out you're out with him. And that means on the field potentially off the field that's pure dysfunction. And it's kinda just beguiling agendas. Relationship lasted is light. That's what I mean. That's why the ownership thing was the first thing that came to my mind was like why this went on for way too long and put some fault on Rogers or not obviously has some of it. But either way like someone had to be stepping. He was changing a third of the plays by last desecrates. And they were mapping. How Ruutel if McCarthy read this is one where it's like, they say don't read it. It's like I hope Mike McCarthy didn't read this because it would be brutal. Like like, his low football IQ was questioned a few times. And I don't know if anyone is like standing on a table, and and back and the part where they're like Rogers kind of turned into far, which is like the thing. He didn't want to be is really kind of fascinating. I thought to kick her in this article was near the end. And you kept thinking was gonna come to the end and the numbers another chunky large anecdote coming at you. But when Mark Murphy, basically pulled Aaron Rodgers aside when Matt leflore was hired without Aaron Rodgers consult as they do not get in the way, you do not be at this time, the problem that was kind of breathtaking moment of that is by the way, a lot of mcneese yet is I mean that that is such a concern. Like Rogers has the power to blow everything up. He's so power. On that organization, perhaps too powerful, and I wonder Greg gas, but I I would say to that. Mark Murphy, you should've said that you go or had for sure I don't know. It's a tricky like literally back in the day was very confusing who is even running the Packer eventually turned into like, I don't know. I just feel like Ted Thompson who is deep out of the picture at this point. He did not come across well at all because he's obviously on the tach physically unwell, and like the modern day fan is like please be active in free agency. And I think there was voices within the organization saying please build a team around what should be a team going to the Super Bowl. Please add at parts and talk about an falling asleep means I think the thing is with the NFL the more you hear the stuff that we we don't hear as much as certain people, obviously. But when you hear little anecdotes that you can never go to air with some of them are stunning. And you're just like, wait a minute. This is the most human business because some of the F up behind the scenes and the infighting, and the lack of responsibility and accountability. And it came fourth in this article for multiple people in the massage. You know story. I even he put the writer Tyler done casts doubt about that. But I think he made a good point putting out the point was that the team that large sections of the team that believe that whether whether it was true or not whether the happened one time that he was getting the massage the fact that large sections of the team believe that I don't know. I'm still I guess I'm Aaron Rodgers fan alternately. And yes, this is disappointing. But I do just wish there was like another world where he had a strong offense of coach in mind that he respected that he played with previously in that. Matt leflore is that guy 'cause we'll have to see if metaphors that guy. Packers fans have had it really easy. I've always killed him for that that you've gone from farm to Rogers. It's been one thing. But if you read this I feel for Packers fans because it really feels like two or three Super Bowl rings were lost in the mix here. And it's kind of like when Aaron Rodgers is telling Greg Jennings after speaking Carlos Rogers about you know, this is probably my contract year in Aaron Rodgers simply saying. Go get out of here. You're not coming back. And like you're done with him when you're done with him, you're done. That's there's a good side to that. Maybe. But there's definitely a negative when he's your team leader in the sun that everyone orbits around. Final thought spinning forward is. I just wonder based on what you read in that article and the general feeling around Aaron Rodgers circa two thousand nineteen he says he wants to be challenged. He says he needs somebody or that. That's how he would work best. How this team would work best. I'm not convinced. He actually does want to be challenged. I somebody I get the feeling Aaron Rodgers might just be a guy says this is my world. This is my team. And he's going to have a hard time. Respecting anyone? It sounds like some coaches over the floor. That's the thing though. It sounds some coaches over the years have I really believe that he would because I because I think he wants to be great. But that he would need a great coach. And just like your run of the mill average NFL coach. That's maybe that's not going to be enough to be able to deal with them. They're just right. Well, I would imagine someone brief Tim aims to be plugged in. I think he might have read it ten times by now. I think it's safe to say that done family off like his crew. Card distribution lists not getting a lot of like one on one time with Rogers. We finally trust my Green Bay Dr that was buzzing for large sections of last season in the season previously. You never really what what what what had nothing to do with this that they were primetime a lot. About the whole Green Bay Packers experienced, obviously, are you saying into this into my radar. Well, let's spin. And when I read this I thought, oh, yeah. This is when they had it to your like prop bets you almost get right? But then since you're in the same area you say. Aaron Rodgers minions gay. Yeah. He did it. He did it give it to Aaron Rodgers. It's like he's the guy that you send out a billion gifts that week about how he's so technically brilliant and beautiful and look at this pass through behind his back and completed for fifteen yards. But there is an argument we vote talked about it in and out the podcast. There's always been some little bit of a chip missing or something that makes a little bit of a different experience. Sure this clarified. Well, artificial accurate, which we know. But he is regarded almost like you cast off as an aside as the most physically gifted quarterback to ever play football and he's miserable. But and that makes them kind of fascinating to be honest. That's like that's like the billionaire. We'll make him happy. You know, it kind of made me think Dan Marino because I think a lot Dan Marie there weren't as many, blah, the weren't blogs. Or there wasn't Twitter. Anything this weren't blocks. Right. This was a very similar narrative. Around Dan Marino. And a lot of ways different in some ways. Obviously with the coaches and everything but in terms of the talent and and the relationship he had with his teammates and freezing them out. And never kind of like, you know, fulfilling his destiny reminded me by his lineman, Isotoner gloves and another head coach stick around too long during his prime years. All right in other news. I'm really excited about these you forms from the perspective this organization. It's right theme of this team is take flight. We're ready to deter new era. Hashtag take flight baby. Is that like a cult leader who? That was David mctavish of the church of Scientology. No. That was Christopher Johnson. The acting owner of jets who unveiled their new uniforms misgivings, something like that Thursday in Manhattan, and as you guys would expect a lot of people on Twitter Zeus, or what do you think? What do you like him? I think they're okay. I think the certainly by thoughts on uniform reveals in general, it goes like this two components involved for me is that in the last five six years, the teams and social media seized on and successfully seized on this idea that fans love this. So you're going to build it up for months, and months and months and the downside of that is when it gets revealed after all the build up. It's almost always a little bit of that. That's all it is. So I think you have that that works with all teams when they do this. And then you have what I call the jets tax, which is ten everyone else gets. Have fun with this. And as rounds fan, you know, this to Mark, but I don't get on with this. But everybody else does. And I don't hate on it. It just always better to just kill the jets and make fun of the jets, and that's always going to happen. So that's why I think there was some criticism of the jerseys. I think they're okay. I like the green helmet. I like that. They modified the logo up top. I'm not huge on the New York across the chest. But that's another thing that happened about twenty years ago. A bunch of marketers gotten the ears of these sports teams the giants did the same thing when they went back to the NY logo. You gotta gotta you. Gotta get New York in the mix you got a market around New York. So I think that's why they did that the black alternate jerseys. All right, whatever that's just it is what it is. My favorites. I would give I'd give the uniform like a b minus a be it's not a disaster, not a home run curious guy. So I would say like not being a disaster is a win because as a Browns fan you lived in a uniform scenario that was a disaster for. Half decade. And one thing. I there is the whole hoopla surrounding the uniform reveal is tedious. I like the young team. I liked the something about Jamal Adams and Sam darnold out there together. And they were on good morning football today. Say one thing the uniforms looked a lot better on good morning. I don't know if it was the lighting on the set might thing with uniforms as always I don't care how they look on a stage. I wanna see what they look like on the field because they typically will look very different. I'm a big fan of Matt finish helmets over super, shiny. So I want to warm up to that. But I don't think disaster on any level. They're totally fine for the most part. But it was not a disaster. It could have been so much worse. The Browns uniforms last year by midseason when when they were playing well, and there was some hope the uniforms. It's a psychological thing to start it to look good mix. It's they started to look good. So don't worry about it. Well, yeah. And evidently, they're kind of you know, the design is using a new design trends, and generally people. Outside rough rider. You mean saying older people like us are going to push against it Gotham green the spotlight white. It's just white and stealth black. Those are Nike told the those are new colors. I love the black the helmet. And I like the lot of people were saying the same joke out there that it was kind of like the two lane green jets. So it's like if you're looking like the green wave out there, and it does look pretty much, exactly. Like, the one of the new two lane uniforms. I like it. And they that's fine. I don't. Yeah. That doesn't have bad thing. And then it was like, oh this Kotite jets. Well, you could pick any era outside nineteen sixty nine and say, oh, it's a bad error for their uniforms. They need to start something new. And that's that's trying to do. It's the whole the reboot thing. The the idea of the bold new look will be a bold new direction, which the buccaneers once upon a time actually pulled off back in the late nineties where they were terrible for twenty five years got new uniforms immediately became content because they changed with our shows. Well, the Br. Puncos had their Reverend when they moved to their more current ones. They went to two Super Bowls with Elway right away. There is some type of connection there and jets will be playing in February next year. That's what I take out of it might take also as you know, they make a big deal out of it. Because I do remember when I was more in that boss mode. The metrics I mean, people, you know, we could write like seventeen are great long forms for the rest of the year. They're not gonna combine to equal the amount of traffic. It was your uniform for like two just like the biggest articles year uniforms. It was a bigger deal when I was younger too. When Parcells took over and the first thing he did took over ninety seven starting in the ninety eight year, he said we want to call back to the name of era. And that's when they did the reboot the they called it. I remember back to the future. I think was there angled that time now now it's twenty years later, and I get it. It's time to kind of fresh things up. So we'll see what happens. Jackie. Harrison emergency take my money, and if shop going to get some Darnell joint about the people that bought a darnold jersey last year, though in her stuck with the it's probably, but it's not great though. It's a tough situation. I agree. Feel should have known. It was for them. Yeah. I feel like the back to the uniform things. But with the Browns I feel like they should just really embrace and just go back to the eighties. Look is that the thing. That's I believe from all hints out there, and this is gone back two years that they realize there they got a little too fluffy and a little too crazy that the overwhelming cry to make this change is. And they talked about it. It's nothing fancy essentially as the tags because they are the Cleveland Browns their whole thing is that they're just simple. Like, this is our franchise were that Brown's going back to that in their keeping the Brown. Uniforms that they leaned on heavy the right? Yes. Those ones the elf going to be phased out. I think the Elvis going to be which is the Elvis essentially been phased out for a long time outside of some end. Zone paint. And you know. Freddie kitchens baseball hats, like I think he's going to be a big part of it it or he he he probably a thing mystical creature. Woodland creature. Fairytale let's move on Kirk cousins. This is interesting. So he is set to address. Michigan state is all mater ahead of their final four AA basketball matchup against big. Texas tech. I believe Texas Tech red raiders. And I wanna point out am I totally comfortable if a Michigan state fan with Kirk cousins being the guy guys take this thing home. I don't know if I'm comfortable with it throwing that out there. Higher or lower grade than the jets uniforms. Kirk cousins, speaking in state, it's pretty random against the new jets uniforms. I if you're giving great Kirk cousins being selected to address Michigan state for me as a C minus people. I was checking around there's divergent opinions on Kirk cousins pre-games speeches because they have a lot of energy. He he's kind of the guy who does it for the Vikings. But sometimes they're a little weird. Remember the one last year where he was like, you know, they put us in prime time. That's because they want to see like he was very excited that they like lex them in or something we deserve to be flexed. So specific you're not watching any of the March madness, Greg I have not I did see games. I did see like the very end of the the Duke game while while in our hotel room in Phoenix. I remember the worst time of the year. I'm not. You know, it's been not hating to be like, my quite road used to be my favorite thing. But you know, when you get older sometimes in life, you just. You're like what connection? Do I have to any of this? I'll take my time to something else. What do you do? Instead of watching basketball spend time with the family. Read Ovalles did tennis. I watch a lot of tennis a lot of tennis. Well, I actually was at a Elsa. Goon dough taverna tavern. It's kind of more a bar and grill with an outdoor component to it. And it was watching the Auburn Kentucky game. And a listener of the around the NFL podcasts happened to be sitting right there. And he said Hello and said he was a big fan of show rock and roll themed place that has an outdoor sexually. I believe the it is owned by gene, Simmons and place. I mean there was there was data's there. Every Saturday from twelve till three if you are interested in seeing him again this time in my life, where the Yukon huskies where like my number one sport steam, I remember next girlfriend getting mad that like I cancelled on a plan with her because I wanted to watch big Monday, you big Yukon Villanova game back in the Ray Allen. I think Kerry Kittles recovered at the relationship find it's I mean after that now, I mean, it it failed for many reasons including that I think it was like a red flag that. Would've rather, you know, watch big Monday at that point. Ouch. Finally in the news, Patrick Mahomes. Guys got a cannon. He so gifted the chiefs quarterback. Well, you not another guy's got a cannon. Mark you boys. You're team the bills they got this young kid, Josh Allen. He could heave it. Anyway, speaking not always to the right person. But from western New York, he was honored at a charity event for athletes in full, philanthropic achievements. Nailed it Mahomes acknowledged offseason Twitter challenge from Josh Allen to see who could toss the biggest bomb. Josh is a great, dude. But no one that I've known has been able to throw a ball farther than me Mahomes said via the tabby a- daily news. I've never seen Josh throw in person. But maybe next off season. We can set something up to see who throw the pits gang further. I would be careful about this. Yeah. Why not why next off season dodging Sahni of time left to get that done debut, logistically, Mahomes as type of guy that thinks big picture above the treetops as they say in the corporate offices here, and he wants to make sure he's got an arena, he can get the promotion out there. They could move tickets merch all those still feels like you've got a solid four months threat. You're it's one of those things where it's like, oh, yeah. We should go out to dinner sometime and you're like well wait year. You're here. You're in town for a month right now, the cushite remake. Oh, yeah. We should do sometime. We'll be in touch and then two years later who see each other again. All right. That's what's happening in the news. Let's get to the mail bag. Because again, another tease we have. Unfortunately, some issues we have to work out with the shield in and some behind the scenes problem came up once then at so we're gonna get to that. But let's I hit the mailbag our great listeners of the around the NFL podcast who we love sent in a bunch of questions. So I'm going to go through some of them right now starting with. Neil. Underscore g see which team. Do you? Think has the best roster pre-draft going into the season. Who's got the best roster right now if you had Vic. Chiefs. No, not on Rams cults. The deaf one. It's a tough one. I think I'd go eagles. I've been kind of banging that drum chiefs would be close chiefs. I know it's like not really that great of a defensive roster Patrick Mahomes. And just the talent on offense is enough for me are boy Neel Dutt Matic though, asks what other team uniforms, would you and the heroes changed other than the Browns, pending in the bucks blatantly. Oh, that's that is easy for me the uniform, and it is no diss on a division rival the Cincinnati Bengals uniform to me is an as been an eyesore for thousand years. I would go the patriots. I'm not I haven't been a fan. I guess it'd be though you have too much glory with these uniforms to go back to Pat patriot. I think they'll they'll switch it. Yeah. Once Brady retire. Sped kind of doesn't make sense. And so then what about you? I don't a lot of. One of the first players I liked and it was pre- jets was boomer size. And and I and I really loved that Bengals team in the late eighties. And I always I actually liked the stripes the Jaguars. They're fixing their helmets too. I believe I think they've already done it. So they got rid of they did tone Morris season plus into that. Yes. I think all right. I said I I don't care as much about like when I was a teenager at meant a lot to me. It doesn't get me hung up. The rams. They don't do. They still have the mismatched helmet with the journal. To the blue tone. That's a little off enough into that. Yeah. I think they gotta fix that. All right here, we go Joey excuse me. Just got oh rights. Have you ever skipped work for a massage or plan to in the future? This one's Erica. I have. Yeah. I love getting just it's nice. I've only gotten one massage, and there was on my honeymoon same thing. That's so funny. I was just like, well, I guess if you're gonna do it now, and I enjoyed it. But that was the only time like, you know, really came up I had one ever. And it was with my wife where you have like a stew students or learning how to do it. And so it's a cut rate like ten dollar massage was fine. But I don't need to like, that's it's a funny thing to think about Simone, just like, hey, Mark. I've got a group on two for one massages ten bucks at the old thing Charlie's walking by school or something. It's a bit of a roll the dice how much damage can they do? But it's kind of like when well it's not like did you get? The first job. I've learned the trade in theory, and they're just about to become set apart as their weird with massages, though, they don't like, you know, I I tried to bring my brother Duma Sasha place. And he was like he was like I don't want like another dude like rubbing my back. And I was like, okay. Then I would get woman. He probably has some problem with you know, what woman myself, in fact, I did for my honeymoon massage. There was a big burly woman. Germany, well, they need to be using those elbows and getting in the city. Really good for your health to your in your muscles. I I try to get one. I think it seems like it's not so much. I I love the actual act of massage, but just like pain, it just paying money for that level of like, it seems so indulgent not that I don't indulge in other things. But it just seems wild indulgent. What do you pay money for food is spend way too on food this from our old friend TM our troopers to replace the around the af podcast? Can you do a Greg likes rap spinoff instead I'll? This is the wrap that were playing the rapidy wrap here. I don't think it'd be a panelist on this show. I mean, I would break it out open more than just wrap. Yeah. You do have a a larger pal. Yeah. We were just texted about the great new Jenny Lewis. Apple. Breaks club. Let's go down the line on the line on the line. This is this is like the music from white men can't jump during the two games. I'm Josh McKinney will the heroes becoming to Nashville for the draft if so we wanted to, but it was one of those things they actually the shadow league figures have done a good job recently sending us to event so can't complain. But for whatever reason, and we haven't done it for a few years the draft. We kinda circle Nashville is something we wanted to go to potentially. But it just didn't take off also west has we have a bachelor party event for Wes. And then like weeks later the wedding. And so two I don't know if west has done in fact right now for a wedding related event back and is Abby. Tilting. Yeah, she has on lock and Wes. And this thing about west three years ago. Would you ever imagine west just being led around like free? Soundbites soundbites, where he would be like, I'm not going anyway, I wanna get married my backyard. No, he was what the paramour. This all seemed soon as the actual person. You're getting married to get involved the rules change, very quickly prog power asks you guys have learned by now not to write off the patriots before the season starts east champs nine times in a row should tell you not to run with the quote changing of the guard narrative yet you can't seem to help yourself to run with it that is certainly fair. And yeah, there's a very good chance of patriots. Go twelve and four in win their division by three games. I am not ruling that out. But it is absolutely. Also fair in two thousand nineteen with what's going on around that organization to wonder if we are coming near the end. That's okay, too. I do for living. Well, it's funny because the the bar is so high now after eight straight buys or is it nine so in nine street AFC champion or eight street. It's like. If they went ten and six or eleven and five, and we're the we're the five seed, but some NFC, you know, some other AFC it's like that would be seen as somehow like the run is over. But the bar was high after four straight buys sure, they don't seem to care. This is a good one in honor of operation pink. Ponies Connor lapel me, what is your favorite NFL or any sport conspiracy theory in the realm of sports, I have a few and I'll throw him out there in the NFL. It's a popular one. This one doesn't do much for me. But I'll throw it out for the purposes of this exercise the Superdome power out outage Super Bowl, forty seven the ravens, Terrell suggs. And I believe Ray Lewis a both in vocal that the NFL and specifically Roger Goodell cut the lights because that game turning into a blow out, and of course, column capital and the Niners launched a furious comeback as soon as the lights came back on and my memory of that was that was our second Super Bowl, Mark. Yes. Yes. You were kind enough to hand over one of your Super Bowl tickets. So Keith my dad could attend the game. He went with Simone. They sat together she's a Niners fan of the game. And I remember when the lights went down and the air conditioning cut, and we were way up in the top the number one thing that oh I brought my dad's a Super Bowl. And now ISIS is here at felt like it total terrorist attack. Glad it wasn't. But it felt like one I'm with you that I don't like the the best. Conspiracy theory stuff that I know I feel like we can't say on this show. What do you mean your big into conspiracy? We're on the it's on the opposite end of that. Generally. I'm anti all conspiracy theories. And you're pro I've not pro I'm pro one or two not all items more anti like the way it's framed sometime like my least favorite NFL related conspiracy theory is whenever the Pete Carroll like nine eleven truth or stuff comes up. And it's always framed as I'm not saying anything, I'm just asking the questions, but he likes. No, no, it's been like asking the question is saying, okay, that's not a football conspiracy. But just about the football player talking about a conspiracy to to NBA ones. I love is that in this actually came up coincidentally on Wednesday show. Michael Jordan, David Stern forced them into a one year hiatus because of his gambling issues which led to play. League baseball, Patrick Ewing. The David start again. And then be rigging the nineteen eighty five lottery with a cold envelope to give the Knicks the number one overall pick and make them relevant again, but my favorite sports spirited theory. And I've heard this for years, and it popped up and that we could talk about it. Because both of the main people connected to it. While two of the three have addressed a publicly was that in nineteen Ninety-seven Cal Ripken junior who is still. In the still had his consecutive games streak going. Maybe it was before ninety seven because I think he said it ninety five, but the theory is or the conspiracy is that they cancelled an Orioles game. Blaming a electrical lights function because cow skipped out of the clubhouse because he found out the Kevin Costner had been an intimate relations with cows wife or he'd caught them in bed together. And he wasn't going to the game. He wasn't gonna play that is one of the Orioles. They're canceled the game. I I believe that until the Koster part of it. Then see the guy that Calcott with his wife and both sides cow and Costner refuted this. But a love it. The electrical part I could buy into that. They would cancel it for some reason for cow. Well, I I lived in that area back then and went to Orioles plenty of remembering that well. I didn't hear that then. But during that run, I could imagine them cutting the lights because it was the biggest thing going at all in that in that that city was like enamored. I remember that is one of the sports moments. You remember where you were I was in the bag shop at the hamden country club watching washing people's golf clubs. Okay. With the. TV on in the background. All right. There you go. That's the mailbag Ricky before we get to our last matter of business regarding the shield we haven't ducked into your DM situation while what's going on over there. Let's check it out. Right. Such a good one. I got one from trick. His name is trick to one three. That says, listen, you're cute. There's no getting around it. So I don't know if you like country music, but I was thinking maybe one of these days we could drive out to a field. Crank up some tunes smoke. A few McKenna dues. I don't even know. Those mocking Nudo. So maybe even toss a disc around, and then it's like pig Latin. I think way day eight Inc. Think way. What do you say? What's a M P A Y? Either way it's a strange combination of things, I think cigar smoking. Is that a reference marijuana smoking is type of cigar? Isn't it? That's even stranger. Nobody likes the classy. And then throw a disc around. I mean, what are we what is this dazed and confused sounds like a major stone or to me, you might actually be? Harmless. But I wouldn't just in case. I would not be failed of not maybe not maybe. No. Yeah. I mean, there's a pretty decent chance. You would end up as part of the mulch in the field you go. I'm looking in this guy cycle compost. So I don't doesn't have a killer vibe, really. Yeah. They are. I according according to their website, they are conic premium cigars signs move, though. Strange move. All right. Good trip in the DM's. The listeners they have a fall hard for the producer and just part of life. What can I say? Well, that's something you're used to. I'm sure all right before we go. All right. So here's the bad news about the shield. Yes. We won some sore bodies, some muscles and erica's swinger prosthetic leg out of the car, and that's hard to do for right now. But. We won the bad news is that our catcher are part time catcher, she kinda platoons with the paramour in fact behind the plate. Her name is brassy. I think she's maybe been on the show on. So he's talked about her a few times. She was not at the game in fact for a nine PM game. She she overslept, and and internally it was not something we were happy about we had enough girl. So we were lucky that it did not come back to haunt us because in coed softball the battle to have enough girls is one of the biggest challenges you face all season. So we were able to survive, but it doesn't make it any less irresponsible and frankly disrespectful to the team Ricky as a new girl. I know you don't as a rookie. You don't get to say as much you kind of just have to earn your stripes. But I'm sure you look at this. This woman brassy is has two titles. And this is how she opens up. Up our comeback season. Yeah. Studying right loss. Also not stunning. So there's been a track record here of red flags incidents over the years. It's fair some field problem so Wednesday show. I told you that the shield was in negotiations to bring Mark Cecil back aboard in front office role a hand he handles discipline. He's done in the past. And Mark is kind enough to agree to the step in handle this matter involving brassy because you got to cut this cancer out. It's not a good start the season. So Mark, would you be okay? If we got Brassey on the phone, and you could let her know what her punishment is. Yes. Because it's simply team business. Okay. Let's get her on the line. Hey, Ryan, can I speak with shown place? He actually just left. She's not around when you need her. That's that's par for the course. All right. We'll try. We'll try another number. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Let's try herself. Brassey what's up skip here? I'm going to pass you over to Marc sesser. He is the shields human human resources coordinator. By this is a serious issue. And I appreciate you to treat it as that. This should be addressed myself, Mr. Cecil, hold on number one the tone off the bat is concerning. There was an incident that I've learned about this morning at the inaugural kickoff game for the shield two-time defending champions game kicks off at nine o'clock. I to just I want to present you with the information that I have that you texted a member of our team, Brooke essentially, saying OMG, I just woke up the game. By the way, I pitch at nine pm. I'm going to be banned from the shield, and she writes back and says five girls at this point, you should be okay. And at that stage. She telling you just hurry that you're gonna get here you text back. Many many minutes later and bat an hour later saying I fell back asleep. In your own words. Trainwreck? Did you all have enough girls? I feel so bad. Brassey hold on your you will have a moment to speak not out the heritage house out of this. I want to tell you number one. What is present your case very quickly, and I suggest to make it very quick I retired. And I just must've turn my alarm off. I mean, I had my clothes on bag ready. I didn't wake up the thing that bothers all of us is that you are a two-time member of this team. You've been part of two championship efforts. You had a disastrous Cinco Demayo episode in the first season with the team where you showed up I would just say three sheets to it to the wind would be generous. That fact that you are a veteran on this team leader, we have younger people are producer erica's on the team for the first time that she has to deal with this from veterans that the younger players have to suddenly become leaders because our leaders are asleep in their beds and falling asleep twice after the first pitch. Brassey present your case very quickly. You have one last chance we have we have something else to tell you. I apologize. I was leap at the wheel. I immediately knew when I woke up I was going to hear it. So I've been bracing myself for punishment as I know what's coming. We do not need on this team. Some sort of low level ladder stage. Darrell strawberry type figure you are suspended for two games. And I can throw it over to the manager at this point, Dan hands. It's there is a possibility to appeal that down to one, but I see nothing based on your reactions or your actions that we need to take this down to one game. Dan. I don't feel comfortable having any further conversation on this. I know our HR representatives here, but brassy. You know, I love you. But I think also this punishment is fair work on your sleep schedule. Please. Can we make those two games on vacation? No, their affective media, Lisa's, not at your terms goodbye. Have a good weekend. It had to be done. And I don't like doing that. We just suspended ille- couple years ago, and that was an easy and this wasn't easy ther. And hopefully, she'll learn from this and grow, Greg. The Bronx zoo is in town right now. I mean, I'm a little more worried about kind of like the underlying off the field issues that are contributing to this. I'm worried about her as a person more important than what's going on on the field. Very true. All right. We'll be back. We'll be back next week to shows next week Monday Thursday, we'll do a Wednesday Twitter show, of course, two shows the following week Monday Thursday Twitter show as well. And then draft we kids and we'll be back three shows including Thursday night right after the draft do and the show and then Saturday night after round seven so check all that stuff out. Follow us on Twitter, of course. But also leave comments and reviews and stars in itunes. Also, the around the NFL sub read at which is growing and growing and growing. Love you guys we love you have a great weekend. This is Dan hands signing off for quiet storm, the all boss tonoki Hollywood behind the glass done. Mark had to had to be done. Monday. 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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 10/13/20--Guest Anthony Stabile

"Maximum security has been defeated. For. This is the Jason Beam racing podcast brought to you by twin spires, your daily home for horse, Racing News Interviews, wagering discussions, and more. Here's your host Jason Be. Around eight good Tuesday morning, I'll walk out of the Jason Horse. Racing. PODCAST brought to you by twin spires. It's October thirteenth. And excited for our guest today, he's to be making his. Cat Price Fourth or fifth appearance on the program I always liked talked me. There's certain folks who Are. Just kind of fun. People to talk to easy people to talk to and for me Anthony is one of those. I think he's just a good race track. Guys always got you know five hundred stories. During an interview and you know I, try to keep the interviews on A. Linear Path and as often is the case with the good storytellers. Interesting people is it. Veers off and on. But sometimes that's to me a lot of the fun. So looking forward to talking to Anthony here. Coming up in just a couple of moments as I mentioned David Gordon. GonNa Join US tomorrow to talk some bloodstock stuff feeding enjoys watching the toxin bloodstock stuff with Pete is well on Thursday put some horse player. Thursday mixed in there as well. So looking forward to all of those conversations coming up on this week shows did want to mention a couple of passing. Jerry Jones trainer passed away Papa died this weekend. Berry Abrahams passed away. I. I tend to leave the older generation eulogies to Steve Bic because he knows all those guys has a longer history in the sport than I do and I just don't have connections or knowledge of a lot that happened pre. Two Thousand and five or whatever I really started seriously following I followed racing as a kid but only in Seattle and so I always thought You know if I don't have decent knowledge or you know of course, I know Paul Pompa. Trained Big Brown and I could recite what Chad said about him over the weekend. But to me it always just rings Kinda hollow to do tributes memorials to when there's people that are better qualified to do that. So I did want to certainly mention them but I had an email or ask one time about the Oh, you didn't mention the passing of of so and so on the show this was you know last this is a while ago and That's of why sometimes I won't acknowledge. It's not that I don't want to acknowledge certainly don't want to. Dismiss their amazing contributions to the game because they've been incredible. But I don't think that I can do justice. On a on a proper discussion of their lives and careers because my my knowledge is is just not there and so. I always think Steve does a great job testing. So I give a little shout out to a to Steve Pick on the program and In his great show that he does I. DO WANNA mention the retirement of enable who I think it was pretty widely known was going to retire. After the predate arc-de-triomphe finished couple of weeks back of the two thousand, Eighteen Breeders Cup turf winner, a memorable Breeders Cup turf when I still remember when they came really really wide into the stretch and magical if you remember was out in like the nine path and savage joy came from way way out of it was. Just this really goofy. Addition of it, but of course. Enable, magical nine lengths in front of Sadler's joy arc low while the guy. Robert Bruce was in that race hunting horn I think was. Hitting that raises the price channel maker who we're GONNA talk about a little bit with Anthony's beal was even in that race and you know I mean arklow Sadler's joy these horses Robert Bruce. Those are good horses not. World Class, her forces put their solid horses and so to finish nine lengths ahead of them. In the biggest turf race of the year pretty damn impressive. enables career obviously incredible fifteen for nineteen, fourteen, million dollars in earnings and just A. A great right I mean a true legitimate great, and now off to retirement for her let's head to a timeout because our interview with Anthony's pretty long. So I want to get to it We will be right back after this the we'll just do one commercial about that will that will make it short for you J. Horse podcast brought to you by these people at twin spires. Twin spires not only operas the best way to play the racist from your desktop or mobile device but we also have great offers for our players. visit twin spires dot com slash offers to check out all of our great daily promotions from our players. Pick four bonuses to win Sheri- thoroughbred to harness. We have present promotions for all types of racism and all types of tracks visit twin spires dot com slash offers to find out what offers are available to you. Back, here on the Jason Beam Horse. Racing podcast brought to you by twin spires and please to welcome in our next guest cohost on talking horses for the New York Racing Association. You also hear him on each rn and occasionally up the announcer's booth Colin races always happy to welcome back Anthony Stabile to show how are you? I'm good. Jason. How are you doing good I? T's that you were coming on today in our audience is very great about interacting via email with a vibrant email situation going on and within posting the show at five pm last night at eight o'clock, I had three emails. They also the exact same thing they said, you gotta asking Anthony About Tacitus. I'm wondering. I wonder if we should start there. We can start there and Boy It was eerily familiar. This jockey. Club gold. Cup. To last year Jockey Club Gold Cup where, he's third behind. Rather tease junior and John Velazquez slugging it out through the lane. You know. I can't believe I'm actually with you this. I want to see him on a lead. I'm not making an excuse. But. It just seems like every single time this horse goes to post. Something happens now I'm a I don't even know the right word for it Andy serling and I argue over whether it's Karma or Voodoo. some of my lunacy. Pick him in the Breeders Cup classic. I know he's GonNa win the Breeders Cup classic like I just know when I jump off, it will be me. but it's it's getting even harder now and one for me to say, I mean I just I don't know if I could defend the money. After that the other day I mean. You can't go that slow on the front end and not seal the deal against a couple of three year olds. I don't know what the deal I really don't. I know that nine years ago draws them came running down the center track and it was what my friend Dan Le Let that we were doing a Gig Up Mohegan Sun. And I use like forces and gotta live at the some crazy pick four ticket and I didn't use them and they comes to Dan listened goes who's that? He said in hindsight I looked like my dog best friend died the very same moment. I said that Straw's Almir and that was. That was the end of it. So they'll be insanity insurance I could say that but. It's even getting hard for the. Source. You know I thought this the style of the race thing is because he's never really been on the lead like that. But what was so strange to me was it seemed like there was a point in the turn where the other four guys were all like kind of trying to keep up and pushing and and he just seemed to be cruising, and then just didn't have that kick or whatever late the other about him is. I made the comment yesterday I guess people have really strong feelings about this horse and a lot of them are negative and I think it's strictly because gets bet so much like don't you think part of it is just that he's he's kind of an over bet horse therefore kind of created this this weird animosity. The over betting. Leads him to be perceived underachiever. That's what the exactly. Yeah you know and I'm I'm a very weird place where five actually may I keep track of this so that when people come attacking my boy, I'm able to fire back I'm actually up money on them but the the reason I'm money on it was I made a really big bet on them in Tampa Bay Derby and I came back and made a good bet on the memorial so. But I mean if you if you didn't like them in the Tampa Bay? Derby. You you're getting annihilates with the source I the romantic in the still thinks he has one of these. One of these has his name on it. You know that there is going to be a day where he's GonNa have three horses. Go to lead into it out in front of him and he's GonNa be laying fifth sixth. He's GonNa get ripped outside. He's GonNa. Make one running these to finish the job I still will when I do believe he has that talent. But. You know a time starting to run out I would think unless they listen I would also like to see him stay in training at five you know he's one of these sources that maybe it's just you know taking him a while to put it all together. God in the course of seven minutes of putting myself back into the same place. I was Saturday warning Yeah you know I do I feel like I feel like it's excuse after excuse after this is A. Big I do say that finished my mom will because I will wake up still at home I'll wake up on the days he runs I will literally be like Christmas morning like it'll be like you know you know to the point where I'll start making up You know like limericks like it's tacitus say like running around the house like a lunatic so. He's my boy and I gotta imagine I don't have any kids but I gotta imagine what it's like when you have a kid like I struck out three times a day because you know I didn't give enough character dinner last night like I really keep making excuses warm and it's call at some point. The online is gonNA. Go into the red and not being the black with me for him Look I mean I'll probably take him third classics fun. Yeah you don't want to. Leave mention. Well. That's the the alltel Movahedi Arthur take one. Absolutely. When you walk in a normal year when you're walking down Nelson or union up in Saratoga and every piece of construction paper has a pouch e I mean you could pick a caller, the fuchsia, the the neon green Oh yeah. It's that right does your seven winners yesterday Seattle where Your Back Buddy What are you trying to do you? You mentioned baseball you mentioned baseball I, gotTa, take a side journey you one time tweet. Thought such a funny story about a horse named dixie brass. Do you remember the dixie brass? Baseball. Story. The. dixie Brash Baseball Story. Yeah Oh. Yes. Oh Yeah. Yeah. Little League absolutely. Yeah. So dixie brass's best known for winning the mile against although horses he'd be pleasant Taffy beat in excess that year Campbell was third and Tampa second inaccessible fourth of decent orphans third to maybe Rubiano But he he ran identical miles in the met mile which, of course, it's always on. Memorial Day. And the withers it's now is running a wind turbine. The weather's used to be like the opening teacher Belmont. My Dad really opens his book and My Dad. Got Pursue on dixie brass rafeal Mojica broke his ankle and work the horse. A couple of times logo with those doors were moves and I had a little league game and I couldn't get the Belmont from. from Howard beach that was at work and bad one mom and mom doesn't drive so. I sent them with our central with four, hundred and. The standing at the played against Chris Novak. And, hit a hit a three run through story. Hit a three run homer into my dad's oldest friend's yard Larry. Morale you used to watch. He's the watch the. Baseball Games POWs oval in Ozone Park about a mile and a half. Used to watch from his from his balcony and I hit a ball into front yard and I saw my dad and my dad and my one of them was always at every game for the first time they did not take the beginning of a baseball. I coached me until I was nine and when he had a goal, run a horse, my mom would coach the team. So. First Time ever but there was funny important I sent them which four hundreds of it on dixie brass. And I hit a three run homer of course, Novak and I'm rounding second and my father the learn I decided how much I got thirty, four, hundred foyer shit good. Bring my money and I stopped past shortstop and I kept going around and scored by the time I did my high fliers the old man was waiting with thirty. Four. Mr Novak I always love bringing up. Jake and Darren defer guys I took deep when we were twelve years old. Drove me by the way sectors Abbey through because it's hot dog. Hot Dog to me and Danny was asked Houseguest I charge amount Daniela's came out of the dugout and helped me and he had a kidney America protect trying to help him me and Daniels Alyssa's look like the big boss, man Aquino. So we got the better of those two towers. Twins out. Actually. I was talking about Oh go ahead. No I was talking to a guy frank hotpots director racing down at the Sam Houston, the other day and short. He actually grew up in the town next to me and I I. Didn't I didn't realize we. We were kind of talking about. Then he told me where he went to school and I said you know I said, we used to play you guys baseball for it was always the cross because it was the two towns right next to each other said it was a big rivalry I said, you remember this guy had them hoyle and he's like, Oh yeah, he was the big supersized Yeah I. said I. Struck him out and got him to ground out his first two at bats and then I hit him on one and two curve ball and he stepped out like you wanted to fight me. And I said I said do I just whiffed you last time like why am I eating you on a one to camp. And the good thing. All. Day. I WANNA. Just Budget Yoyo the best are catcher was a total bad ass total tough guy and so of course, I waited till he stepped in front before I got mouthy peak. Oil would have. Made, Short work of Jason. Believe me. All your fixtures does waited for us big guy I caught to obviously. We got the front and I don't even think about it. It's all. There's a Lotta Jake Taylor right He. Over Off that's great. Could've said you were from the Yankees? Joining us the pregnant we should. We should keep talking a little bill, not your Bill Maher guy because he's got some interesting horses going on the Barn Right. Now, including Franks rocket who's really become a really neat philly and Mayor Sprinter, and last time I thought showed at least a little bit of a new dimension not being on the lead. That was key for her How big problem is Where do you run her? If you want to run on a previous 'cause now I believe. There is you how this whole Derby at Saratoga preakness during Super Saturdays also full weekend content doesn't have me sharp you I. Actually two weeks ago leading into the ice I handicap ninety seven races just for work. So I- Zari if I'm not up to date online undercard for Breeders Cup at Keeneland. But I'm pretty sure there's one hundred, fifty thousand dollars for her A. Three year olds now. At some point, you have to make the decision. Do you want to if the acid test You know and this would be this would literally be defended the Pool Right? Because she's been kind of swimming shallow end straight threes, and bill and her connections have done an amazing job keeping. It's a ten race career now where she's only faced restricted to your old or three year olds and What do you do and then the question is. What do you do as far as the Breeders Cup goes it's what you do as far as the Breeders Cup those the runner against the boys going six year on. Oregon's the girls going seven I think you're runner against girls going. I'm not sure you have to go to the Breeders Cup. If. He can run the girls going seven because of you said just saturdays she showed that ability to rate last time. And maybe this thing incinerates on the front end and she's the one sitting there to pick up the pieces and they gotta come and get her and maybe they come and get her not be. There's somebody in the. Andes, early, great point. Maybe you cut a point of honour back, but it certainly looks like they're going to go forward and run her in the in the distaff but. Maybe, you lead them maybe after the after I mean and starring the empress roof, each other's heads off. You're sitting there a Lincoln and a half lead and okay well. Here. They come now but if you fast enough. So if I ran on the breeders, Cup was bill. I will bill I would run on in. The the other one ask from his barn is is kind of we've seen a little bit of a resurgence of channel maker as of late, the route turf boys division there. It seems like we're we've seen a lot of the same faces there have been a couple of new ones pop in. This year but do you think that it's just he's kind of almost a war of attrition like he's kind of just. Gotten better than all those guys or or what do you think's going on with him because it does seem like he's a little bit renewed lately. I do and I don't the thing for me. And I believe this happened a couple years ago this happened in the Gloria Empire to race battle when they dead it in the bowling green and then glorious empire beat them on the square the sword. Dancer, back in eighteen baritone. They started being more aggressive with him. I remember Joel Rosario climbed aboard and Bill and Joel got a little more aggressive with them You know this is the horse used to be out the back and I'm sure a part of this. Is because they began to stretch out and run them in in in the marathon almost exclusively. So obviously, he's just going to be A. Longer distance is GonNa drag him into the race a little earlier. But I also believe that they were intent on getting him close and you see in the racist where he is closer. The result is ordinarily better save the man a war in nineteen when they kinda went fast and he picked him up and he held off the euro to win and get the grade one second break one of his career. Lately. They've gone back to being aggressive to starts back in the sword dancer when we had bog up at Saratoga. That's kind of course that he's excelled at he won his first great one, the overs, Turf Classic, and Twenty Eighteen. On the front and on a bog Robert Bruce was slipping and sliding all over the place. When he was second till, he seem to handle that going. He seemed to handle it again in the sort dancer that was not the case last time though you they look like they were a little more intent than this year's over turf classic with with cross-border to maybe show some speed more those other words on the outside kind of left Manny Franken made it clear nobody was getting the lead over channel make an I do believe the aggression is what has turned him into a better horse. At least joining us here on the program I got a couple of nice juvenile performances over the weekend to present the Champagne I was you know somebody who used to work in. Ohio, I got to see a lot of Tim Ham Ohio breads show river downs for the stakes races. I always love, New York's of course, one of our biggest stages. If you can certainly say the probably the biggest stage in our country in terms of of horseracing I, always love when some of these smaller connections get a chance to shine the grade one race like that and the data the and that was that's well-earned win. It was awesome. I Love Timmy gimmes a good guy to me and my dad have done some business together press kyle and I had the pleasure to talk to me a couple of times HR in. He's a great. really good horseman You know he's had his fair share of good horses I. Think he's got his best one on his hands now I love however she won the Schuylerville is presently if she did he fought the temptation to bring her back in the adirondack to bring her back in the spin and basically said, you know what? I'm was a lousy orden realize I. Don't think that the break after the Schuylerville was intended and he said I'm going to let her develop a little and have her ready for the fall two three races in the fall. I think you say three races. So you don't sound too cocky right because if she if she didn't run the way, she ran in the present the other day maybe the Breeders Cup is off the table and maybe you try a couple of races in Kentucky or or whatever. You're GonNa do you know maybe even? If. She doesn't run present maybe you go tempted them was L. here in New York, well, you know what was GonNa have one more race now off that present effort and that's going to be the. Phillies and when you add in simply ravishing and in Kenny's other Philly Kenny. Second I I. Feel better know the. That because I thought she behind the speed and the other speed didn't break in in the also by it is I can't remember our. Affiliate. Around. Second And for instance, nor. The, most aligned undefeated grade one winner in the history of horse racing blue. I'm kind of on the side of people that want to run faster. But I'm not saying can It's a nice division. But Yeah, you always love to see a guy like Tim have a good horse and then I mean The Colt Jackie Jackie Warriors you know it's funny. Andy put up a police warning. Force the. I'm. Not. GonNa, get to. Completely Goco with all things but if my boy tacitus with a win the Breeders Cup class. and. Somebody else won the distaff not named monoploy girl and this goes a wins the juvenile blacks. He's got three rague ones. He's undefeated with five starts I mean. What I would think about my vote for him 'cause those efforts. I mean he's reinvestment risk. Chad Brown and and carved stables were very excited about reinvestment risk and. Obviously. So after meeting. He is made him look. So much better. because. He's this courses geared down at the end of these. He's actually letting reinvestment risk closer dorm at the end of these racists who knows how good this sources. He's scary. Good. He is scary. Scary. Scary. Good sorts. He's you know what? I haven't felt this way about a two year old probably since. Yeah He. It was interesting to watch his past performances because it's like each races the perfect for longer and I kind of said last week that just from a betting standpoint you know. I didn't think it was out of reason to fake the reinvestment risk would take a big step forward and if Jackie's warrior didn't then things would be much much closer but I mean reinvestment took a run at him and it was just completely like swatted him away like a fly and it was just it was unreal. We don't hunting is I think reinvested rush took a step forward yeah. I do I think you ran better than? Matic. So yes, always I mean going into the weekend we do race day on HR endlessly Bobby Newman's like gimmie three Breeders Cup winners. And I couldn't I couldn't give them like I said, you know just I I i. I didn't really have any maybe plum la she's been really impressive within literally a half hour later and Pearl at the stakes record by a second and a half of the in the judgment I couldn't give them to other answers I give a what now I mean I don't know who they're gonNA find to to be Jackie's warrior I just I. Don't I don't see anything I mean he's gotta be what's what's easy three to five I mean he's three to five you might. You might be might be value at three to five I. Don't know I don't know who's out there to beat them. I wanted to I was making a list of topics. You know you create an interview kind of want to have a general flow to it. Then I thought and I just ask some bullet-point point questions for Anthony because I'd be curious to hear your opinion. One of the first one is on Louise Sayas because I've been kind of making the claim for a lot of the summer that I can't think of a writer I'd rather have on my horse than than him and can can I at least make the argument that that he's the best writer in the country right now? Yeah absolutely, and you know there's a big. So when people ask me that question right and that's a it's a it's a very it's a general question, but it's a common question right people. Horse racing and you know like me, I'm sure you have friends that. Sitting. Next to you when you're although TV, days to people at the Y. still go to t i. Get My. Races. Yeah. Right when is you know when I and I don't mean that I, mean when you have more time when you are. Weren't doing this professionally like you know what I mean I was a kid I was not these to Probably something more time not vs any sixteen year old should with my fake ID telling them. I was eighteen when I wasn't because we was. So, unless it was like a days of our lives episode II automatic ru five years they didn't understand how I could be my id that's a story for another day. The statute of limitations thankfully has gone So as New York City on. TV, by the way so. You know. Who is the best writer? Well, how do you? Everybody's going to have a different way to approach that yeah originally, a different mentality were approach that. I want guy or Gal that can do it all. There's nobody better than this guy. Reading a case scenario is horses are always in the right spot. We've seen them steal countless races on the front. Does it help that aggression has gone by the wayside for the most part? Yeah. But. He still takes advantage of that. I joke around people were kind of, say you know what to things like this I want somebody retires he can take my job in a heartbeat to he won't need to take my uncle. They'll probably just gamble such nobody reads erasing for this I mean this guy is in the right spot. At all times. And I think the thing. You can if you're going to argue that he's always in the right place, you want to say this guy's the best I have I mean I think there are. Five people you could argue that I think you could argue that for Louis and be. Both East brothers have you could argue that I know it's not on a regular basis, but for me when the money's down, get me Joe Lawless our could everybody else. And I'm looked big manny Franko I feel manny and Louis. Sayas are in the same category where. All around rider. All around you you you tell me, you gotta ride you. You need a jock. I'm not telling you what the race is I'm not telling you the distance I'm not telling you the horses tactics. You've got to pick a job. I'm picking Manny Frank I'm taking Joel Rosario I I'm taking Miami Franco's second. I'm picking Lewis is third. For me, there's nobody better on the turf off the taste and Arado sees junior yet I didn't just give you that answer in the question of the best for the simple fact that. I think he's a little bit more specialized. He's as good as gets, but I have confidence in those three guys on the lead. That I do. In Iraq So as far as the complete Rodrigue added Lewis absolutely positively in the conversation are jockeys a big part of your handicapping and bedding because I. I've gotten heat for saying that know if I if I think a writer is if I have a competent writer like it's not changing my opinion on on a horse I like or don't like. Like he won't desert there are certain jokes I won't that I won't I won't pick there. There are certain writers I just or the very least if I if I love the horse. I'll I'll I'll cut the BAT. Yeah there are there are guys I know toward listen I get it it's racing. I've been around this way too long and too many capacities to watch things and you know what's funny. So. The one thing I don't do I've done it. Once when there was a was, there was an empire six pay I don't that when I'm in the booth yeah I'm calling rates don't bet. It's amazing though it is absolutely amazing. Through those binoculars with an unbiased opinion. Things you say, and how in my just under two years being in the booth. You, know and getting leasing listen I'll be honest I watched races on TV for very long myself watching races through my an oculus until you know until it was like, all right. This really GonNa be getting some Reps. you're gonNA start. Getting back to doing this. And I did then. That TV hide some of these guys really really. Well, why would you? Get this either but I. You said, you really start to question I remember coming home and I'll you know we'll leave the names apple remember coming home one day and being like I believe. Myself. Like you love this guy this guy was your favorite I was. Hang on the office one day and take a look at this of an Oculus and tell me how I've been getting my heart not so hard earned money on this guy for the last three years. You learn a lot to learn a lot. I hear reminds me I've told the story before. But when I worked in the the river downs, I also had to work in the the entry office and take entries, and there was a trainer that came in one day and he was just haggard hung over and just looked awful hair every which way shirt disgusting. So he makes an and he had a relative that was kind of a partner with him and the relative was the owner and was clean cut. Handsome all the whole nine yards like they were just like a total opposites. So the guy does his entries and I go up I go. Hey. That's so and so and he looks the Guy John McCullough was his name. He just passed away couple years. We looked at me and he says, makes you think twice about bet divorces doesn't it? Yeah. Suit now. It's funny. The things you see for sure. Out More trainers than jocks that yeah. Yeah. There are some there are some absolutely. you mentioned anti I wanted to ask about the lunch bats I feel like I see a lot of these things what what is the basis of the bet and why does it seem like whenever Andy tweets about it I feel like you're going to be feeding him until two, thousand, twenty two. Things started probably. Three winters ago. Two winters ago you know. Everybody. I love what I do. I love every aspect of of I. I mean, I don't even like say job I do I love every part of what? I did. Radio talking north. As you know my I love when I was ten years old my friends wanted to be don mattingly and dot good and I wanted to be Tom Durkin and Dave Johnson. So being in the booth is like it's it's literally come true and a lot of it is amazing but I'm not going to sit here and tell you because I've just. have. That there are on some cards in the middle of the winter it aqueduct that you gotta be entertaining. And you need to you know there isn't really much to say you know short field and they're not the best cow you know a lot of bottomless planners made and so. You know one day and nothing we do was ever contrived. We don't. There's no production meeting before we go on. So I think. He said I'll bet your lunch and people will forget this. I was up like six lunches when the I thought. I was up six when I started. and now I'm down fifty. Today. down fifty I probably paid off. Wow of made of them. Maggie Maggie Wolfendale Warriors, the recipient of one or two off of Andy's off the cuff for Andy as well. There was a place by me. That's closed sense that they love the. Sandwiches. So so there's been plenty of push Romney Sandwich runs made of literally a mile and a half from the big as so. They were simple and most days I go home I'm I live. So close to their most days I go into talking I'll come back home for lunch before going back over for HR so I would just run and get them lunch but yeah, they started in the middle of the winter and act with us just you know trying to have a little fun and. Yeah. So that's a lunch. Vets are at where fifty started to be able to thought it out. Have some fun in the middle of the winter and. I mean, the amount of tweets. We got about the lunch bets. Yeah. I mean you just it's it's I'm glad I shouldn't say just I was we are. We're glad it's caught on and as many people are I mean. I there's one guy out that literally is like you know we keep. Count here me and my buddies keep count here what's the official number and then they'll get on our opinions. So there are lunch bets being bent on our lunch. BETHEL's I absolutely love I. think that's Absolutely. All right they will really appreciate you taking time. It's always fun to catch up on our listeners always love hearing from you and they. Of course, they can hear from on HR in talking horses and at the big as to be. J I always look forward to our chats and before I go I while sad that the be music on I think you did an amazing thing with them for for six years This is supposed to be there like I. said on twitter. There's a lot of money involved here. It's a business and for me unfortunately, it's become too much of a visit for somebody who has literally been getting pushed around in a stroller at equinox warn it's become too much of a business I it is what it is. It's supposed to be fun. At the end of the day, horse racing is a sport and is supposed to be fun and for at least three hours a year you made it all about that you should be applauded for that and I hit my cap you and thank you for that as the best winner I. Really. You on the on the list is somebody has check Simon they said, is the value of your go up now there there. I'm actually. I'm actually GonNa talk about that decision here right after this commercial break. Good. Good. Good tease, Anthony. We'll. We'll be right back after short out. Jason. Vive horse racing podcast brought to you by twin spires. The Jason Bean worst bracing podcast brought to you twin spires is your home for daily thoroughbred horse racing conversation join host Jason Being has he discusses racing from around the country interviews, jockeys, trainers, media personality, and horse players every Monday through Friday, the show can be found at twin spires, dot com or on Itunes spreaker stitcher or wherever you get your podcast from the Jason Beam Horse podcast brought to you by twin spires. This is the Jason Beam Horse podcast brought to you by twin spires. Arrive my thanks to the big day. Hope you guys enjoyed that a lot of fun. I hope that shown through. Really appreciate Anthony Coming on the show looking forward to talking to David and Gordo tomorrow in the pink Thursday. As we mentioned at the end if you follow me on twitter I the beamy awards have. been. I'm GONNA say ended. 'cause I I I know that when I things I hate worse in life is when people retire. And then unretired especially when they make a big deal out of it, I didn't WanNa make a big deal made a quick blog posts said, hey, look the beamy awards or are going to be no moss but you could just never say never and so I don't WanNa shut any doors I mean. God. Willing, I got. A few more years ahead of me here on this planet and you just never know I might the money some From. The sponsorships admit but in reality what it was. and. If you don't know what the beanies are, if you're new to the show or you don't follow me on twitter, it's just it's this award show in a mock award show it really is a comedy show. Designed to be kind of fun end of the year thing on racing twitter of some of the you know the battles and funny things that I see on on racing twitter. We do little videos like we did with mattress Mac last year that was a lot of fun. and. It's a fun night. We've got sponsorships for it and it's you know it's a whole day I got a writing team. It's great and but the last couple of years, it's just been more laborious because you kinda gotta try to up what you did the year before which part did bug me Ben I just have gotten much busier in recent years with the announcing in addition to the podcast and some. Other. Responsibilities and so you know lash to some degree. There's you know there's a change in the climate of of comedy but also you know I just have to be. I think a little bit more careful in terms of you my jobs that I have I don't want I certainly don't want to put those in any kind of risk if I if offend the wrong people or or what have you and. I just found that the process of trying to do jokes and stuff is a little. I was finding that spending more time auditing through them for. offensiveness than I was just the enjoyment of comedy and I have a I personally think I have a really good governor in terms of. Saying or not saying things I think are over any lines I really knocked on would have you know. Put myself in a serious trouble spot by something I. said or tweeted and part of that is just my nature is not to offend and it certainly not to ever be cruel or anything like that. The awards were very much meant to be in good fun and I often would pick people who I knew would would would be okay with the joke when it came to winning awards and whatnot but. you know the overall process just Kinda wasn't as fun and and the biggest reason that I that I stopped and was just Kinda thought they'd run their course for now we'd done at six times they were kind of the same. You know they're the same format every year, which is fine and that's the format but. I was thinking you know if we really wanted to keep doing this, it needs to be elevated and not necessarily because you know You. Know it doesn't need to be on TV or the, and by the way I'd had offers to do stuff like that I've had I had had multiple offers from big groups like what about doing the beams live and doing them you know in a in a in A. Kind of another auditorium but you know a room with people and and I just thought that would never work in less. It was like a really big production and I don't think there's anybody that was going to make it that production like me standing up there telling jokes and be like. Well, the funniest tweet is this like it just wouldn't work, and so I just thought it was feeling kind of stagnant and I would much rather. You know leave while people still liked it then keep the party going too long and I am a big believer in that in a lot of things in life staying too long at the party is. I think almost always a mistake. in in so many avenues and I just don't, and as somebody who tries to be a creative person I don't WanNa feel stagnant I still feel very excited and. Optimistic whenever I hit the play button to go on the air for this show and you know as soon as that were to stop I'd probably want to go try something different I don't WanNa leave racing I don't want I mean I don't WanNa leave I love what I'm doing right now I'm saying if it ever got to that point you know there's You know I I, just kind of had gotten there with the beam awards and you know I'm just you get tagged and twenty tweets a week. With this guy said, it's like, yeah, I follow that person I saw it could just got annoying and so I was just kind of over it. I made the decision like two or three months ago and I told my writing team about it I. Just hadn't I started to get more. Questions about it in the last couple of weeks people. Hey, what about this for a be? Okay. Let's let's get this over with. Let's Let's let's let everybody know but it was it was a fun thing. It was certainly like I know it's a stupid thing like I took him too. Seriously I realized what it was but it was a great thing for my career I didn't I don't get this. Job If. Not for the beamy awards because when I originally was applying at bed America, like they saw that and they saw what a big deal it was and they were kind of like, Hey, like we should do something with this guy and they literally presented me with the job offer of we WanNa do something with you. What would you be interested in doing I said I'd love to a daily podcast. And they were like, Great. Let's do it and so. You know they that happened because of the beamy awards I know that a lot of you know to some degree I got the job at colonial because of the beamy awards because Jill Byrne was watching the awards and with Merv Uber and she was saying like, wow, everybody's like involved. This is crazy and Murph said to Jill you know he calls races right because he would magilla just taken over colonial and they didn't have an announcer and so I am very aware that they were an important thing to me and as I said, I'm not I'm not close to the idea of ever doing him again I just I think I think the time is right to. To kind of pull the plug so That's that and I got a lot of Nice masters people who said they enjoyed it over the years and I'm certainly not planning on going anywhere in the terms of creative space in the world of racing, I want to keep doing content and doing different stuff and You know we'll. We'll try to use our imagination and think of other fun stuff to. Do, in the world of force racing I, that's my job is is to hopefully make horse racing a little bit more entertaining, little work sessile to talk with people about betting and make interesting conversations about the fascinating parts of betting in the sport and and I love that like sign me up you. WanNa give me a twenty year contract tomorrow I'll sign it. Let that be no I. Anyways. So that's that. So we will be back tomorrow. Hope everybody has a great rest of your Tuesday and we will see you guys back for Wednesday show everybody. Have a great night.

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Personnel coup for Pats; Yay/nay on pending free agents

Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles

47:27 min | 3 months ago

Personnel coup for Pats; Yay/nay on pending free agents

"This is the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick cattles. He is Greg Bedard. I am Nick cattles. This is the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast episode number. Let me see where we're at. Oh episode number 36. Don't forget to subscribe rate and review this bad boy. And of course, we are always brought to you by BetOnline AG our friends at BetOnline. They do a great job Greg. It's the offseason now and you know ever since I was like twelve years old. This is a true story. I am a nerd I would actually sit down in my living room and I would map out my favorite team's offseason. I was doing this 512 I was looking at salary cap space and people that were available. So this is write down my road. This is in my wheelhouse off. But before we get to some Personnel decisions the Patriots have to make let's start off with some news and I thought it was fairly big news Dave Ziegler is going to actually stick with the Patriots. He interviewed in Denver he's dead. The decision to stand in newest a in New England your thoughts on that. Yeah, I thought this this was a sneaky big move for the Patriots to retain Ziegler. So he had interviewed in Denver where he had a previous stint so often it wasn't known whether he was going to get off of the general manager job or come back to the Patriots. I think it was very much up-in-the-air. There's a lot of leftover Patriots Connections in Denver from Josh McDaniels like Matt Russell who actually just retired from there. He had been there for years. So there was a fear that the Broncos liked what they saw on Ziegler last time. He was there like what he's done with the Patriots since then and we're going to name him general manager and I can tell you Nick that the fear among my sources with the Patriots was real that if Ziegler left following Nick Caserio that basically the Patriots Personnel Department would be home. Somewhat rudderless not look it wouldn't be the cover wouldn't be totally bare because there are some really good guys in house who are still there and they do have Elliot wolf, but I'm just among people who are sort of Patriots Personnel lifers in one way or another that happen here that are here that the prospect of Elliot Moss who's only been here for a year after stints would be he was with the Packers for a long time. That's where I covered him the Browns. He went with John Dorsey when he was General Manager there who used to be with the Packers there was there was a real fear that if Belichick reverted back to Elliot wolf that the that the Personnel Department would be in really rough shape. Yeah, and at that time when they need all the help they can get so Ziegler withdrawing his name in Denver staying with the Patriots. It's been termed that he is is future worth. Solidified here. We don't know what that means. We're not going to know probably until the media guide comes out in August what exactly that means and what his title is I assume it's going to be director of player Personnel similar to what stereo his title but we're going to have to see but in in general this is a big move because you did not want to go into this offseason with a lot of upheaval in the Personnel Department. I can tell you that Ziegler has widespread respect for for Patriots Personnel that have been here that long here everybody really likes day. They think he's really good. And so now I think Patriots fans can breathe a little bit easier that Belichick has a right-hand Personnel man that God has been here understands what's going on understands the shortcomings the big question I think is how is he going to interact with with Belichick Ryan? Is it going to be an improved? On what Nick Caserio did were a lot of people questioned how much influence he had would Belichick how much sway is it possible? The Ziegler has more and there's a little bit more forceful than Nick. Yeah boss and I think a lot of people would like to see that. Yeah. I mean that was my reaction to it on Twitter at Nick's sea radio when I was talking about this moving this decision was hopefully he pushes back more than caesarea did and yeah, this team does not need any more turnover, right? And it looks like we're in pretty good hands. Josh McDaniels isn't even getting interviews with teams right now. So it looks like he's safe as the OC you move Ziegler into costero spot whether he gets the title or not. There is some stability there within the structure which I think is crucial the question. I wanted to ask you though Greg and I've been thinking this and a lot of other people think this and in the questions have been asked. Do you think Belichick would be interested in bringing back some of the older guys the the pioli's the dimitrov's those names of the past? Let's say Ziegler leaves right length. He did go to Denver. Do you think that was ever a possibility or the past is the past and Belichick would leave that in the rearview mirror. As far as the older guys the former people like you mentioned whether it's purely or dimitrov or Bob Quinn who was fired in Detroit life. He would be open to it. Belichick is always as long as you've left with a good relationship with him, which most guys have then he's open to you coming back plus, you know, he, you know, he loves the extra brainpower for cheap. If you're still getting paid by your old place, which most most of these guys are as long as you're like a consultant instead of assistant general manager, then the Patriots really don't have to pay them anything the question my my big and I do think Bill would be open to any and all those guys coming back wage. The most realistic one is Quinn because he's a lot younger than the other guy's not that dimitroff is old or pioli's old or anything like that. It's just that Quinn page. Was you know, he was very young in his career here was young general manager. He got fired he you know, I don't think what he's earned in Detroit is going to last for the rest of his life. So it's going to need to be employed Metro from Paoli. I don't know if those guys ever need to take a job again from what they were paid and what they're currently getting paid to do whether it's TV dimitrov would be a natural on television. I'm sure that's what's nice for him. But my big question in regards to those guys is whether they would want to come back and work here for a couple of reasons. Number one is They've been in charge of their own shop and have their own ideas. And as far as Personnel in Acquisitions and everybody knows that Belichick runs the ship here and you know, are are you trying to come in and do a bunch of work that may not be used and just be disregarded by Belichick? And the other thing is those guys want to work the kind of hours that people work here. Where're you know before they were their own bosses and could sort of set their own schedules and and things like that. Everybody knows that this is in Belichick said it several times over the years. This is a very hard place for people to work. It's it's a it demands a lot out of people and it's not for everybody. And so I just wonder if those guys those two circumstances combined whether those things are appealing to any of those guys maybe with Quinn certainly, I think so dimitroff and Paoli I see I have a harder time seeing then come back. Yeah. It's interesting. It's a great point that you make if you are them if your birth Off and of course P. Oli is already on T. He's got a gig in the Metro if if he's going to go to TV as well. Well now that gives you the opportunity people might say why would you do that when you could work with the Patriots and not build a team? Well a Belichick gets the final say and maybe those guys aren't interested in that. It's tough to go from the a guide of the bee guy. Trust me. I've done that before it's not easy and then secondly when you talk about when you talk about money, they've got a ton of money and they're making they're going to make good money off of TV working. Like I don't know what one fiftieth of the time they would work in the office with the Patriots. And then third when you look at this, it's also an opportunity for those guys to talk about all the other teams and and show what they can do in front of the camper which might actually especially in this day and age as we know what you show on camera and how you handle the medium. You know, that could get you your next gig so I thought All of those things play a huge role. I actually think you know, if P Oli and dimitroff were a little bit older. They might actually be more open to returning to the Patriots because they might not be all look at me that Just For the Love of the job, right? All right, let's jump next big story Greg of this week. And that is this Bill Belichick presidential Medal of Honor Freedom. Whatever. It's called right off the highest honor given to any kind of, you know, citizen of this country the story came out within the last thirty-six hours or so that Bill Belichick was going to get presented this medal. He had been invited to the White House. This had happened before what went down last week at the nation's capital A lot of people I mean immediately as soon as this story came out people had their takes of course twenty Twenty-One got to have a take and a lot of people wondering what Belichick was going to do Belichick releases a statement last night. He has not going to go to the White House. He has decided to bring Not take the invite and he mentioned, you know, social injustice and the conversations he had with his players this year on Mondays. He mentioned democracy your thoughts the way Belichick handled this situation. Yeah. Well, first of all Nick, I just want to say off the bat that you know, when we started bsj one of the things that we said at the time was it's going a politics-free place and and we've stuck to that and I'm continuing to stick to that. We have not written on this. I just don't see the point. I certainly have my very strong personal opinions on a lot of these things, but I just I just don't understand unless they affect the product on the field. I don't I don't think that they they have to be intertwined. I just don't and people will disagree with that. They took that I'm lacking courage or what not. That's fine. I don't I don't really care. It's just the decision that I've made in regards to be SJ. And that's the way it's going down. Send you to be this is not on bechet. This is a podcast this is separate. So I feel like it's in bounds for us to comment on it and I'll set aside my personal politics about this. I will talk to speak to the on-field product cuz I did think that how this went. It could have affected the Patriots on-field product. Excuse them from this from this angle and I'm glad Belichick addressed it in a statement and I'm not going to parse the statement do I think it was as strong as it could have been know do I have a problem with that? No, I mean he's got look he said in the past. He has a loyalty in a friendship with Donald Trump. We all have friends that Maybe a lot of people maybe other people don't like but they're still our friends what-have-you. I'm not going to get into that. I don't have a problem with the statement. I don't care how we worded it the thing that that caught my eye and I thought was sneaky big was when this came up when this came up and I was like, oh man Belichick's going to go do this after the capital and and especially after what he said all season long including in his final press conference with us where he talked about how big of an impact that he that he thought the discussions with the team about what's going on with, you know, socially, you know, as far as you know, black lives matter and things like that Belichick had touted that those conversations and now they opened his eyes and you know, he really learned a lot in general. I just thought how could Belichick's say all these things about his conversations with the players and then go and do this. I think the players would have looked at it like dead. Was he just full of crap was you just saying align right or did that really matter? And I think Belichick I will say that I think and I don't know this in and if I knew it, I would write it. I haven't talked to any players yet. I will I've been trying to none of them are talking about this of course, but I do think that Belichick has strengthened his position in the locker room. And I think that I think that this could only help the team his decision do this whether you like it or not and personally or what-have-you with your politics. It doesn't really matter Belichick has a team to to answer for he speaks for that team even though he is a private citizen. He he addressed that in the statement. He addressed his players and I thought that I thought that he made a great decision to to bypass this whether he gets the Medal of Honor or not privately. I don't really care off. At that, he's not going to go there and make a spectacle out of this after what just happened in the capital and what he's said to his players. I I commend Belichick and I thought this was the right decision. I just think Belichick going to accept this metal would go against everything that he has stood for throughout his entire tenure with the Patriots and what I life in life and so, you know when you talk about democracy when you talk about the meaning of this country and and we know that Belichick has a huge tie with, you know, the military and in his thought of of service and all of that what happened last week whether you are on the left the right. It doesn't matter to me in the middle. It really doesn't matter to me what happened last week. I think all of us should be I would say disappointed dejected disgusted whichever adjectives you want to use what happened at the nation's capital last week is inexcusable and it's awful that it happened in this country and to see that happen at our capital and some of the video that's come out since then again to me. This is not left or right. It's not Republican or Democrat this it sounds like political speak, but this is not the honest truth. This is American, you know, this is what we should all stand for what happened last week should never happen at our Capital ever under any circumstances. It hadn't happened in hundreds of years and it should never happen again. So if you're Belichick and you put yourself into the middle of that it goes against everything you've stood for Belichick does not like to be in the the middle of dumpster fires distractions PR moves and that's what it would have been if Belichick went it would have been the ultimate PR move, you know to get your picture taken off. And you know hobnob with the president one last time before he leaves office and I think you know if he went along with that plan, it would have looked really bad. And again, it doesn't have anything to do with politics. It's got to deal with the person and when he goes into that locker room in what he tells the guys in the conversations that they've had this year. I do think if you go there and you accept the fact of Freedom during a time where what we saw play out last week. If you do that, especially during this time, it does come across as fraudulent to the guys that you sat down with and said I care about what you're saying right now and I care about how we move forward. I think he would have put a sledgehammer to all of that if he showed up so I do think really he had no Choice in the matter and you know, listen, I'm not going to pick apart his his statement either. I think that's a waste of time. I think, you know, everybody's going to try to say oh if he said if he said that there was going to be no perfect statement that he was going to release whatever he said somebody was going to have an issue with it. I thought what he said was fine. I I actually had no issue with home. So I'm ready to move on. He's ready to move on and again, hopefully what we saw last week will never ever happen again and hopefully Left Right middle. We can all kind of take a deep breath and say what in the world has been going on here. Let's let's settle this a little bit and let's try to go back to being human beings and Americans first and foremost. All right, before we get to some of these some of these Patriots free agency decisions cuz there's a lot of them. I mean there's a lot of names here Greg that we're going to run down. We're going to do this rapid-fire style. Yep. Let's tell people about better off. Online and some of the some of the lines that are coming up this weekend as a matter of fact give you some advice to yeah, Nick, so we got so we had let's see two triple headers last weekend. We have to double home this weekend with the with the NFL. You got the NBA's common. Hey hockey's come in this week. I cannot wait for that my life and and a wife and kids have been waiting with bated breath to watch the Bruins get back on the ice and that's happened in this week. So, you know a ton of stuff going on over at online. Ag and there is only one place that has you covered in one place. We we found that spent online. AG sign up today for a free account at betonline.ag and use that promo code c l n 150 for your 50% off welcome boner. I was just looking through the lines over betonline.ag you have in just my sort of my Quickie feelings right now early on in the week or the Packers favored by 6 and 1/2. I think that's a lot. I think the Raven the Rams are really good on defense. I really like Brandon Staley the defensive coordinator. Yeah. Yeah, one of the best moves of the Season change in the offseason was firing Wade Phillips and hiring Brandon Staley who could be a head coach very soon. I the Rams on offense. I I kind of think that you've got benched and he might continue to stay on the bench for Wolford. We'll have to see Ravens bills that line keeps creeping down interesting. I think the bill is almost opened at a month the three point it's now down to one point. The bills are favored by the Rams, which I do think is going to be the best game of the weekend and that was a bad draw for the for the bills and that game instead of the Steelers game Chiefs are favored by 10 over the Browns. I don't know those Browns are pretty pretty spunky. Yeah, like all too and Kansas City's defense not particularly great against the run good point and then Tampa Bay game is is the underdog in New Orleans after getting their ass whooped by the Saints twice this season by 3. So that's his string. Don't sit on the sidelines anymore. Get in on the action. Don't forget to use the promo code clns 50 to receive a 50% off. Welcome bonus with your first deposit. Excuse me, a 50% Welcome bonus. It's not off. You get 50% more would you're welcome bonus with your first deposit BetOnline your online sportsbooks experts good old welcome bonus. All right, let's talk about the free agents now coming up here in New England. We'll do a quick yay, or nay your my thoughts rapid fire on these game. Let's start off with Joe Tunis. A lot of people say there's no way the Patriots can Lowe's Jo tuna. Do not lose this guy. Keep them there. Yay, or nay on Tunis Greg May. I love Joe Cooney dead. I have loved Joe Tunis. I will continue to love Joe Tunis but he is a guard they gave Shaq Mason a lot of money Shack nation has played. Well this year, you gotta make some decisions and often, you know related to another decision for the dental list. I am going no, I'm using that money elsewhere. They should have done that this past year. They would have a third an additional third-round cam pic and more cap space. They already made a mistake don't double down on the steak and just move on. I agree. I'm an A on Tunis. Love him. He's very good at what he does. You can find another interior offensive lineman out for a lot less money than you would pay tuning next one up is Jason McCourty, yay, or nay? I'm an a I can understand Belichick will probably be a ye because he just has to have veteran guys that that that can give them some depth and I just Jason McCourty is the type of poster child for how this team got into a bad cat situation. Like I'm sorry, but if a guy's barely going to play or just give you coverage in certain places, you gotta find a younger guy can do that for cheaper. You cannot keep bringing these guys back for almost. You know, I think the vet salary now is almost like two million dollars minimum like you cannot keep doing this so net-net see I'm more money on this one just because I don't know what to expect from that secondary is Gilmore here or not. It looks like a lot of people believe he's gone. I would try to keep Gilmore but a lot of people believe he's going to be out. So if he's gone that's an issue JC Jackson has not proven to be a number one corner when he's had the opportunity to do so and so I look at the rest. I think McCourty is a nice depth piece. The one thing that I would say that you thought Up, which is completely Fair as the money and do you want to burn around two million on McCourty? It depends on what else you do? It depends on how you're feeling other weaknesses, but I would lean yeah just to have sung dependability in that secondary with him. Next one up is James White yay or nay? I love James White, but I'm an a just because I just think they it's it's similar to Jason McCord. Even though change the white is much better football player. It's it's the cost and you know, Jake Taylor showed a little bit James White. Is that a tough personal year. I'm more inclined to letting him go hopefully signs on with you know, he would be perfect with Brady in Tampa, you know, go down there reunite he's closed his mom. Probably everybody would be happier in you know, another place where the Patriots could say four or five million dollars and just you know, you gotta try to go forward with cheaper guys. Just sometimes younger guys just have to play. Yeah. I'm an A on James white pretty much ditto to everything. You said. I think you're in good shape with Michelle Harris. And of course JJ Taylor, you could always draft a guy pick up a guy who's cheaper. It's the running back position. I mean, you don't need to invest a ton in that position to be good in the NFL. We see it across the league. So I'm an A on Jan. Is white unfortunately Lawrence guy yarn a hell. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, I mean, you know, not only my personal feelings but just don't have anybody else on the interior and they cannot just start. I mean Bo Allen is still under contract, but they cannot just come back with the status quo with what they have without warrants guy. They don't they don't have any proven they need he has to be there he has to, yay. Don't make the same mistake, even though I think this guy is better than guy but don't make the same mistake you made with Hakeem Hicks when you have somebody who's really good in the middle of your defense of line know what he's doing. He plays hardly. I mean, you can't say anything bad about guy on or off the field. Keep that dude in New England Adam Butler. Yay, or nay dead. I'm an a just because I think of the price tag that it's going to be him as a sub rusher. Look I think I think Butler has value. I think it's a little over in place by some people around here. I do think he's very good as a sub rusher but he's never going to be more than that. Right? I'm not paying a premium price for a guy who really is only a Sub sub rusher and so you'll find the next Adam Butler. It shouldn't be all that hard or go find a cheap veteran who who can give you similar production just at a much lower cost. Yeah. I am an A on but let's first of all he can't stay on the field and that's an issue. He's always banged up. He's always missing games. I'm concerned by overpaying for a guy who just isn't there consistently off again, you know, these are very tough decisions, but I think every every nickel that you put towards somebody else is a nickel that you can't use on something you might really need. So like offense. Yeah, it's dead. But they're consistently that I might think about it. But if he was there consistently he'd probably be asking for way too much money. So I'm an A on Butler. I think I know where we both stand on this guy coming up next yay or nay David Andrews another he'll yay. Again. They have nothing at Center. They have I mean James Ferentz they brought off the street and they got rid of fro whole they have nothing is Center. They have to bring David Andrews back. I have seen the light he is hugely valuable to this team. I will never underestimate that again and he needs to be back here. I'm with you you shall we talk about Tunis. I agree. You know, it's Tuna vs Andrews, you're not going to spend, you know, 20-30 million dollars on two offensive line positions in an offseason when you need so much more you gotta pick and choose between those two guys and picking Andrews because it's find a center he is pivotal to this operation part of the of the offensive line there right in the middle. So I'm keeping Andrew age. Jermaine eluemunor. Nope. Goodbye Jermaine you you started off the season well, but from what I've heard, it's likely that Marcus can is going to be back. I don't even think about that assures him and being on the roster, but you have just been her on Pardon. I said that was interesting Marcus Cannon coming back. You think I don't know if we talked about it last week, but what I have heard is that it's largely positive on all the opt-outs that they're all coming back now nice. We don't know what the exact situation I don't have that hard and fast from everybody right but sources indicate that it's there's been a lot of positive talk about everyone coming back and that includes Marcus Cannon, which is was a surprise to me because I figured he was the with his health issues. He would be the guy I talked to sit it out, you know, basically retire, but apparently not now whether he makes the team and his salary whatever does he need to pick take a pay cut that's for later date of birth. You still you have Justin her on it's a right tackle. You should be able to figure some things out. So Jermaine eluemunor is no longer needed. I would let him go and he might get a deal with contract from elsewhere. So you might get a decent compact. All right. So the next one is and I'm an A on element or next one is do we do we need to go into this one or do we just say nay? Nope, trashed moving on dumpster fire. I don't know how you want to handle it John Simon. Yeah, I he is. Another know he is the poster child for what's gone wrong with this month after in the lack of confidence in playing the younger guys like a Chase winovich guys. Like John Simon have taken Chase winovich is snaps and I just don't see the wisdom in that in considering how he played the second half of the Season which was not good. He needs to be gone and Patriots need to move on. They need to get a lot better on the edge or else. We're going to be having a lot of these same conversations next year off. Across-the-board. Nene nene nene John Simon Rex Burkhead depends on the price Tagalog. He's coming back from major surgery. Everybody loves him. He's good when he's healthy It's gotta be a minimum contract with incentives. If he does come back just to sort of give you back up. He might not make it out of camp. It depends on how he looks but initially to bring them back. Yeah. Yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine with Michelle Harris. You can flip that order obviously and no particular order but in a particular order if you'd like Harris Michelle Burke JJ Taylor, you know see that competition between Taylor and Burkhead I'd be fine. If you rolled into a season with those four guys. I think that's a good position group. The one question of course is injury. Harris has been injured Burkett has been injured Sony. Michelle has been injured. So, those guys stay healthy if they stay healthy. I think you're in really good shape. That's one of the only positions on this roster that I feel pretty good about is running back. Okay? Here's a big one Cam Newton. Yay or nay dead. Only if say there's a first-round draft pick and you can doesn't have anybody else and it's really cheap again and they're looking for sort of a veteran presence wage to you know, possibly help the young kid. That's the only scenario that I'm open to Amon a I think you could find that position that you're talking about with other guys magic. That'll be yeah if it's magic if I think Fitzpatrick might end up getting a good contract to start somewhere. I would not be surprised if a team actually tries to bring it here if you look at hello boy, if you look at how things match up but yeah, I think you could find that, you know veteran Mentor like Alex Smith, you could find Alex Smith and say hey, we'll pay you if he's going to come back. We'll pay you a couple of million bucks to be that mentor and a guy that I think could run the Patriots offense passing along better than candid. So I'm on cam I love what he brought great leader. We talked about him a lot last week all respect to that guy, but I think it's time. He goes somewhere else and maybe try to find a better fit. Damiere Byrd dead. Yay, or nay, I think yeah, I think he look he came in here and it was a different type of Patriots offense, but I thought he acclimated himself well, and actually, you know for a month free agent receiver coming in here. He's done a lot better than most and so I would like to see him with a real quarterback and and see if his speed gets Unleashed a little bit more. But yeah, I'm open to it. I could hear somebody in my head right now many people probably listening to this podcast, but but Daddy dropped a pass but. Just see the drop and he had yeah, he did have the drop on the trick play. It was a faith will drop it hit him right in the face in the flute, but I actually agree with you. I'm a bird. He's an upgrade on Phillip Dorsett and some people might say oh that doesn't much but if you give him a good quarterback, I think he's the perfect 3/4 receiver in a system and he has proven to be able to get open. I agree with you about his speed his speed plays better than Dorsett on the field. I do think you can find him a job. Usually downfield with a chunk play. So I'm all in on damiere Byrd is like the fourth guy here. I am I think he's good wide receiver depth and can make some things happen with a decent quarterback throwing a ball to him Ashley Calhoun. Yay, or nay nay just cuz like I like what he brings and he would be an upgrade as sort of the John Simon veteran Edge guy. And of course the Patriots had two of them. Let's not talk about that. But he just he gets hurt too much like he looks great in training camp and then comes to the season and he plays like a game and he gets home and now I'm not doing it again Brandon Copeland. Yes, because I would like him. I love his veteran presence. He's really smart. He can he gives you covered with a bunch of different areas in the front seven including like for a Calhoun or Simon. So at a minimum, I would be open to that. I'm an a by the way on Calhoun. RS Copeland, I'll just take your word for it. I don't know much about the dude. I haven't watched him play a lot. Of course, he wasn't around much this season. So I'll take your you know, I and and word on that guy. So I guess I'd be dead if the money is short which it would be deatrich wise. Nope Dietrich. It was your great dude, you gave your all you work harder probably than anybody on the team, but it's just you don't have a position in this defense anymore. It's and what the position that they put you in the last two years two or three years playing inside playing five days a week. It's just it doesn't do a service to you. You need to go to a 4-3 team. You need to be an end there kick inside on and that's where you were drafted. They were playing for three at the time. They've morphed into more of a 3:14 and it just hasn't happened fair to you and it hasn't been good for the team. So I look forward to watching him play elsewhere and I hope he has a lot of success. Yeah. I think he's better than people understand because I do think the phone number. Is an issue and I also think you might be a little overpriced. I would not be surprised if he fetches a pretty decent contract out there. So I'm an A on Dietrich wise. All right, let's move on to a couple of other things before we get to our Boston Sports channel. Com member question of the day quick thoughts on some of the playoff games again. We'll try to do this as quickly as possible Ravens versus the Titans what you see Greg. Well, I thought my big takeaway was the Ravens came to play and they had a chip on their shoulder. It's almost like the old Ravens. So that's a really bad matchup for the bills in my opinion on this weekend. But and I thought Lamar Jackson did fine. He was more dangerous with his legs. He he passed great after the first quarter thought he did really well if there was some nice passes on the move my big takeaway or my lingering thought was the was the logo stomping because I think it's awful. I don't have a problem with them doing it. I had a problem with them when they did it and how they did it, which was the game wasn't over yet. Like there was 1:45 left that penalty pushed the gate the ball the Ravens the ball the 38 the Titans had all three timeouts left. They easily could have lost that game because of that decision and also that guys came streaming off the sidelines as soon as it happened it was dead. Meditated so that means that these these guys were taking time during the playoff week to worry about their their celebrations after games. That means that I weren't worried about the task at hand. They were worried about dancing on the emblem on the logo and also not shaking hands at the end of the game. And so to me this just shows that the Ravens aren't all dead end up. This is not the same old Ravens team of the past that you know, when Joe Flacco and those guys who you know of, you know, Ed Reed and Suggs and those guys like I don't think subject of what that that kind of nonsense go on this past weekend at read was critical of it, which I agreed with. I'm just disappointed because I do think that the Ravens have a lot of talent. I just think that they should They just don't have it all together attitude wise and that Marcus Peters makes an interception like, you know, he's the poster child for like, you know, he'll play he plays when he wants to he quit wage the Patriots acquits all the time. If it gets hard against the bills, he's going to quit again you watch like I just don't like that team in general and I thought that whole episode was emblematic of what went on. I think it comes from the top two, I mean John Harbaugh after that game calling it The Greatest win of his career is a joke like you want a Superbowl John. What the hell are you talking about? And that tells you that took the coach was wrapped up in the emotion of what was happening, which is not a good thing. I also thought variable had a tough day at the office. Yeah. I did not agree with the punt that that he called off. I mean, I thought that was atrocious but the biggest story of the game was the Ravens defense. It wasn't Lamar Jackson. I know everybody gets wrapped up in Lamar Jackson in the narrative. You can't win a game up about listen. The reason why the Ravens won that game, Was because the defense and the front was awesome against Derrick Henry, they suffocated him at the line of scrimmage. And if you limit Henry 240 yards rushing when you play Tennessee, you're most likely going to win that football game. Nikhil can't beat you. Yeah, that was that was the difference in that game bills Colts. I to me it was the the story of this game was the culture one this game that they they sort of lost it more than the bills wanted. You know, I do think the bills are gong Allen made some key plays. I just think that the Colts between the the the Toure offsides. I mean was probably the play of the game and I will not admit that that guy went to Rutgers. We don't need to talk about that. But you know, if they were going to take the field goal if they take the field goal there instead of the touchdown in a all the bills to keep going and scored touchdown there. The drive should have ended there it didn't that was a huge mistake that they couldn't convert in. The Red Zone was huge give credit to the bills and their defense but I just thought the culture won that game and and I thought they lost it more than the bills wanted Frank Reich sucked the the goal-line scenario late in the first half was one of the worst I've seen. Second down Wildcat nahim Hines, not good third-down and goal. You run a pitch play to Jonathan Taylor when you've been really good running in between the tackles against the bills in that game you decide to run a pitch play you lose three yards. And then after you lose three yards you decide to go for it on fourth-and-goal from the Buffalo of four and you throw a fade route to a rookie wide receiver. Hitman's you know, he he's he's a talented guy, but that's a with Philip Rivers as your quarterback rookie receiver. That's a pretty low percentage play to call on a fourth-and-goal. I thought it was nonsense. I thought right did not get any better in the second half. He had a couple of questionable punts and the challenge my freaking goodness. That's the worst challenge I've ever seen Zack Moss Zack Moss goes down. He's hurt. Everybody knows that you get a TV timeout when somebody gets hurt on the field you get the TV timeout we get a replay that shows Moss was down. Before he fumbled and for some stupid unknown reason Frank Reich challenges the play before they even get to the TV timeout and that left his team with one time out the remainder of the game Frank Reich lost that game for his team. Yep sentence. He lost a call 15. Let's move on to tapa Bay your thoughts against Washington on Saturday night. Yeah just in general and and you know sort of give you my thoughts and Steelers Browns, we don't need to talk about the other games, but I thought I thought Brady played really well in that game. I bought a surprise every time I watch Tom Brady against Jack Del Rio. I just it means to me that Jack Del Rio is still in the league. And yes, we did talk up Washington and their defense but thing is off like, you know, Chase young is just running by the quarterback every time like I can't do that and like there's Zone coverage and like Brady knows how to kill him and he does and and so, you know and and hynek he did a great job. Job, obviously people are talking about him in the Patriots. We'll we'll see what happens. But my my other than I thought Tom played really well, I guess a defense that he kicked up out of every time was that the Bucks are just the box. I don't have much confidence in going forward. Tom Brady is not cannot paper up that many holes on that team in terms of college student discipline and and and smarts and things like that. I just don't think that the the Bucks are long for the play-offs but you know, who knows it's tough 14 to be one three times in a season and then the the on Steelers Browns just what what a debacle as far as Roethlisberger and Tomlin and the Steelers like it's embarrassing. They need to look at a lot of things and they are not in good shape considering their quarterback situation there cap situation. It's you know, they could be looking at a regression here big time. Yeah coming here very shortly. Yeah. I mean JuJu's a free agent James. Wasn't very good this year Roethlisberger? I don't think he has a future in the league. Honestly. I think he's done. He's toast and you know Tomlin I thought maybe he watched Mike Vrabel and Frank Reich during the weekend and gave Pete Carroll and said I'm going to try to win worst coach of the weekend award because I thought Tom was off on Sunday night. I thought there was a lot of mediocre to bad coaching during super Wild Card Weekend. I thought there was a lot of bad coaching that we saw I thought we saw some good coaching last night from Nick Saban again, Alabama national champions for the people that thought Nick Saban was done. I know I saw a lot of people going back a couple of years ago when Dabo won his second National Championship with Clemson saying, oh well, you know Devils the guy now and and maybe the game has passed Saban by a little bit. Nope, you suck wrong saving again top of the mountain. Yeah, I watched some of that. I just I can't watch a full college football game any longer if it was like five and half hours long, but my God, it's it's just it's not just the playoff games. It's every game. Um, but yeah, I mean, I just I just I don't have much thought on Mac Jones and all that stuff. I need to look at tape and and decide you know, what's Alabama's Talent? What how much is Mike Jones? I mean, I I wasn't overly impressed with him last night. I think a lot of it was just how good Alabama is and Devonta Smith and and all that stuff and but you know, I offered Nick Saban and Bill Belichick I find myself a very lucky to have done that. I mean with their now combined 13 championships. It's it's it's pretty amazing. I feel very fortunate to cover both of those guys Devante Smith stud Najee Harris stud. I thought Mac Jones do in the second half when Smith went out with a hand injury that actually gave him an opportunity wage. Show that he wasn't just all Devante Smith and I thought he did a pretty good job, you know, I don't know. I'm not sold on Mac Jones. It's like a first-round. Like if you're asking me should the Patriots pick them at fifteen. I would not I'm not sold on the guy being a franchise quarterback. I am sold on the idea of drafting him at some point second round third round bring him in and see what you can get out of him. Cuz he does show some good traits. He's very he's smart. He goes through his progressions. He can he can move the pocket at times from what I've seen last night. He got dinged up on the leg. He stayed in he showed some toughness. He does not have the strongest army in the world and he's not asked to fit it in tight Windows all the time because of all the skill position, you know success that they have there at Alabama and one last name. I want to get to before we move on to the question of the day Steve sarkisian, and I know a lot of people question about him going to you know going to Texas and should he get another shot blabbity blah, but as an offense of coordinator, he did a great job this year in Alabama. Found ways to get Smith the football which isn't easy when the guy is the Heisman Trophy winner in last night. He did that again pre-snap motion doing so they had a screen pass. It looked like the screen Mac Jones pump. He pump faked on the screen and Smith went from looking at like the lead blocker to running a little in route and it worked perfectly. I thought sarkisian had a great night last night and I think his stock as an offensive play-caller is very high. And of course now there's a report that Bill O'Brien will be headed to Alabama as the OC. So that'll be interesting if that unfolds in that way the boss Sports channel member question of the day check them out over at BSA eleven cents a down their annual plan. Not only do you get top-notch analysis of all the Boston Pro Sports if you're Pats fan, and of course, you are a membership at PSJA gives you access off a ton of video analysis, but our does and the coaches film and direct access to him and weekly chats Pats fan 12. Greg asks you what would it take to get the Sean Watson? A complete meltdown on the situation in Houston. I just think I think the the odds are very low that extremely low that Nick Acero his first big move in Houston is going to be trade DeShaun Watson. Who's one of the few bright spots on that roster. He's tremendous it would yeah. I mean it was it would basically have to get to a situation where Watson doesn't want to show up. I think I think this area is going to sit down with him and his agent I think they're going to reason he's going to explain why he's not just a continuation of Easter be you know, Brian and things like that. I think Nick can be persuasive. But one thing I would like to see Nick is I would love to see DeSean DeShaun Watson go to Cal McNair and say it's either me or Jack easterby to see what McNair would say cuz I don't know what he would say, but it would certainly be interesting and I'm off. The drama the power of Jackie star being Houston is one of the most Unsolved Mysteries in the history of football. I just I don't get it. That guy's got he should be a politician. He's got magic with the tongue. Apparently, he goes to Comic nearest house is the story and talks them out of hiring what Omar Khan or whatever from Pittsburgh like right before they're about to make the higher easterby shows up. It's like what that what's that movie when Jack Stack's holding up the the Boombox. Yes say anything anything. It's like it was Easter be out in the parking lot. Like was he out there in the driveway of Cal McNair holding the Boombox and like with with costero picture of Boombox. I don't know what he said or what he more. I think it's more of a Jedi mind trick. He's like this isn't the GM you're looking for and that sort of thing by the way as the Sean Watson Benjamin Allbright an NFL inside or out there think he's now in Denver. He tweeted last week that he was speaking to people inside the league and asked where would Houston start off as far as asking? For Watson, and they said you would have to start the discussion with at least three firsts three seconds and two player that's good and will contribute right away. That was the starting point and a person I would love to see Watson as a patriot just like everybody else. It ain't happening. And even if because even if Watson does go to McNair and asks out, there's just teams that have more to offer Chris Mortensen said on Sunday Miami. I mean, you've got to you've got the Houston pics. You've got your own pics they can they can throw the motherload at at Houston and I think Houston would have to take that kind of a deal. So I I just think if he was going to get traded there are teams that can you know, Trump the offer of the Patriots which means it's unlikely if not impossible. He will be a patriot unless he says send me to New England which even under those circumstances. I don't think it would happen but. Patriots podcast with Nick cattles episode 36 in the books. I don't forget to subscribe rate and review the podcast for brought to you by Bette online. AG we're back later in the week. Maybe we'll talk quarterback. Maybe we'll talk some breaking news. Who knows it's going to be a busy offseason till then be good. Be safety health.

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The First Degree

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Yousuf Rasmussen

"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production now available on apple. Podcasts podcast one spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast. Tax returns could look a little bit different this year. So in the big carriers start trying to get you to splurge on the latest nonsense just tune it out and rock out with only the best deals with straight talk wireless. You can get a samsung galaxy. Fifty one for just one hundred ninety nine bucks plus the forty dollars unlimited talk tax indata plan with no contract on america's best networks up to fifty percent less a degree degree. I agree i agree. I agree with the first degree are supposed to happen in movies. Not real life. I was completely stunned. Because it's just not something that happens to you. It's something that happens to other people. You know i completely just broke down to the first degree the true crime podcast that you might end up on my name is jack vanik. I'm sitting far away from lexus. Linkletter and billie jensen. How we doing we're doing. We're we're doing this episode. We know is a little bit late. But somehow the wifi and all of los angeles went out last night. So billy was unable to record so we're just doing a little last minute there. We are rolling with the punches. This is the world we live in. I don't even know what happened. But i guess we're all back and ready to roll so billy we're going to jump right into it. What day is it today. It is national tortilla chip day february. Twenty fourth ooh get yourself some guac and not. That sounds dhanush caso. Are there any other days. It's also national trading card day. And i know i collected a lot of trading cards. Growing up did either of you ever buy any trading cards. No like what i mean. Those are gaming cards to but now know what. What trading cards did you have baseball card. And we'll be sure baseball cards everything like that. But you gotta remember before the internet if you really wanted to re live the your favorite movie. They had trading cards for them so every movie jaws close encounter star wars every movie had trading cards and also a lot of tv shows that trading cards to. Oh i did not know it was. It was a way to like. Keep your fan. I go. I liked poverty. Hogs what was your i like. Halley beanie babies and stickers. We'll pause kind of technically a really thick round card so we did have treating cool. Yes we're og a particular policy that i don't know like slammers i liked the slammers wondering the slammer were the shit and you could get all the really feels slammers. The had sparkles them and stuff like that. But i kind of and a little bit shocked. That pogs never made their second round with the jen's ears like don't you think that'd be something they'd be into nowadays. Well you know what. I degree merch ideas. We're gonna make some pogs. I don't know where the i find a place to make us pogs. But maybe we're the ones that are going to bring it back. You know to millennials and we're doing it so can't wait. Are there any other good ones bartender. I miss i miss your bartenders. Yes wish i could see any bartender ever the day that i see my first bartender. I'm tipping him. One hundred bucks. Just because i'm so excited to be one. Just give me make me the worst drink in the world get i just want to be a social setting. Where safe make me a terrible terrible twenty dollar to keelan and nothing drink. I don't even know you. Mess up. But i will still tip you so much money. So can't wait for that day but that's enough of that so let's turn down the lights and turn up your anxiety because this could be you Today's case takes us to rockville maryland. And for those. That don't know montgomery county. Which were rockville is located is well known as a wealthy area within maryland in fact in two thousand and eighteen the candy was named the best place to live in maryland by money magazine for context this region sits just north of our nation's capital washington dc so many who work for the government and politics settle here. Today's case takes us back to just over a year ago february thirteenth of twenty twenty the day before valentine's day songs the box by roddy rich and circles by post malone where topping the charts and movies birds of prey and sonic the hedgehog were in theaters. Another notable aspect of february of twenty twenty is the news of the pandemic was slowly spreading throughout the world. It was only a month before. Us lockdowns began in march. And you remember what happened. When the restrictions and the lockdowns came as a lot of tv and it was a lot of scrolling on your phone tv and scrolling tv and scrolling and we were all scrolling glued to our favorite devices and so was our first degree kristen. I found out about this and march. So i was in quarantine. I just lost my job and kind of trying to live as i can had tried to ignore what was happening in the world because everything sucked so i was just scrolling through my instagram. I saw a picture of one of my sorority sister's with him so this him christmas talking about you'll learn the identity of individual soon pretty much the caption was just rest in peace. You're a wonderful person. I can only speak for myself when i say this. The older we get the more frequently. I see these types of social media posts and we're left to speculate as to what happened to a person we know or used to know regardless of how close we were your mind. Kind of runs. Wild with the possibilities. Then the frantic googling starts and then of course the scrolling initially. I was just like okay. Must've been freak. Accident occurred a car accident. I didn't think it was suicide. And just don't see that happening kristen's mind went to where any of our minds would go. There must be an explanation for someone our own age losing their life. A reasonable explanation and there was just not the one that kristin was expecting february thirteenth twenty twenty. It was a chilly february. Evening in rockville maryland and again. It was the day before. Valentine's day which is a day that people love or they dread based on their relationship status or myriad of other random factors the day. Was chilly the high. That day was forty four degrees low of thirty six just four degrees shy of freezing and the day turned into night and for the most part the evening had been pretty uneventful. But all of this changed at eleven sixteen pm because eleven. Sixteen pm is when a call came into the rockville police department. On the line there was a man who is totally frantic and he was klein report. A stabbing at the four hundred block of west montgomery avenue only blocks from rockville. Busy downtown area. This report was shocking serving a stabbing in this upscale neighborhood. Well could possibly be going on here. Police officers were dispatched and approached the two story home. It was set far back off the street. The aesthetics of this house portrayed the exact opposite place where you'd expect something sinister to happen. It was red barn. Read it had a white trim. It had a porch on the bottom level of the home. That had a railing around it. The railing look to be made of a white picket fence. Honestly this place looks completely wholesome so the police. I'm sure pulled up this place. And they're wondering what they're about to walk into the approached the home they entered the home and once inside the realize completely the severity of the situation and it was a scene. They would never forget inside. There were three individuals two men and one woman one of the men inside was bleeding profusely from a stab wound to the neck and there was a woman lying on top of him covered in blood and yelling sobbing and screaming. I'm sorry while. She sat in a pool of blood his blood she was begging this person essentially not to die and needless to say the site of this would be obviously shocking for anyone but the police had a job to do. They had to see this man who is suffering from the life threatening wounds and while the wounded man was alive when police arrived after all the life saving efforts were made. He sadly died at the scene. This entire scenario of several questions. Who are these three people and what happened. Why did one of them lose their life. you know. we're at the scene now in putting yourself in the shoes of the police you can understand why trying to get information from those who are present would be pretty challenging. At that moment there is blood there has hysteria there's chaos and ultimately death and now on top of all of that. There's a police presence. Police eventually identified the three individuals at the scene. The woman who was crying covered in blood and yelling. I'm sorry was later. Identified as twenty-seven-year-old sophia negroponte. The man who had lost his life as identified as twenty-three-year-old yousef rasmussen and the other man was identified as philip guthrie. The police at this point. We're working to piece together. What they were dealing with so naturally they're looking for context and they wanted to know who actually lived at this house and as it turns out nobody did. And that's because this place rented as an airbnb but there'll be more on that later. Law enforcement needs to know what happened here and of the three people at the scene there only two people. They could ask sophia negroponte. Who is the woman crying over yussef in his blood and the other individual present at the scene philip. Guthrie sophia was in hysterics. So they pressed philip for details and he started at the very beginning so it turns out. He'd arrived at this rental house at ten pm that night when he got there. So we were the only to present at the home and it was clear that the two of them had been drinking prior to philip's arrival. But once philip got there. The drinking continued. Philip made a round of margaritas for the friends while the tv was on in the background. Philip continued and set it at some point. The energy in the room began to shift so according to the charging documents. Here's what we know as far as what happened that night. So apparently is sophia. Got into a bit of tests and for whatever reason sophia who ended up standing behind yousef during this argument ended up grabbing him from behind before essentially tackling him to the ground use of did his best to get sophia off of him without actually fighting back or hurting her and whatever he did ultimately worked because the whole thing come down and was brushed off and the evening moved forward is normal and while the bickering halted. It wasn't long before it started right back up again and it's unclear exactly what these arguments were about. At one point use of began digging searching for his phone inside his backpack as afia continued to confront him and this whole thing about him looking for his phone. We don't know what he was trying to do. And i'm totally speculating. When i say this. But i'm guessing that maybe he want to remove himself from the situation you could understand why right and according to fill up. Who witnessed this whole thing. This is when things took a dark turn. So as he's digging for the phone in the backpack sophia walks into the kitchen opens. One of the drawers reaches her hand in and grabs a knife. And then she removes it from its sheath. Then she walks toward yousef and lunges at him and put his arms up to protect himself but it was of no use because the blade went right to his neck and pierced his neck and blood began gushing from the wound before yousef even hit the floor. Mom so this witness account was disturbing to say the least. Sophia negroponte was arrested at the scene. Police observed that she had several cutting wounds on her right hand and shirley at this point that detectives are struggling to make sense of what exactly happened. That could prompted sophia to attack yousef so under questioning. Sophia confirmed certain aspects of filip story. She told police that the argument she news of had was over a silly issue. That's a direct quote. She then said that all she remembered was removing a knife from yousef wound after was arrested. Police searched the interior and exterior of this home and they found a green handled knife in the outside. The reporting didn't indicate whether this was in fact the knife used to attack yussef but my personal opinion. This is probably the knife. Because why would they bring it up in the reporting if it was just a random knife found outside but anyways so naturally the police wanted to know everything about both sophia and yusef in an effort to make more sense of what did happen. That night who were they. What were their connections to one. Another apparently sophian yousef had met and become acquainted at the lab school of washington dc use of graduated in two thousand thirteen which was one year before sophia dead. It didn't take long for the police to learn who sophia negroponte's father was and this one detail would draw a great deal of media attention to this case because as it turned out So fiu was the daughter of john. Negroponte who under the bush administration was appointed as the first director of national intelligence from two thousand five to two thousand seven and then he served as secretary of state from two thousand seven two thousand nine. So he's a heavy heavy hitter in government and beyond that negroponte acted as the us ambassador honduras mexico and iraq and it was during his time in honduras where john and his wife adopted five children from the country. One of them was sophia. It's also worth mentioning. That negroponte quote was one of fifty former republican national security officials who ahead of donald trump's election as president signed an open letter saying trump was unqualified to hold the office and would quote put at risk our country's national security and well-being which was so as expected the media interest invest coverage of this case came swiftly and while the world zeroed in on this perplexing story in those around sofia. Were acting pretty quickly to do some damage control in contrast to vat those closest to yousef were in complete peril over the loss. News of yousef steph soon moved past the boundaries of maryland and through his extensive network of friends and this included friends. He'd made during his undergrad college years and remember our first serie. Kristen found out about yousef staff while she was scrolling through instagram. And at first she had no idea what had caused her friend to lose his life. But by this point tour horror. She discovered that he had been stabbed and killed pretty much immediately. After i saw the post i googled his name. You know expecting to see like a car accident. Irt some kind of freak accident of completely stunned. Because it's just not something that happens to you. It's something that happens to other people. I completely just broke down in christian noticed that the reporting seem to focus on sophia more than yousef. I see this. This person and all of these articles are just talking about her. Dad is a us diplomat. And i got angry. I am really angry. I was just like. I don't i don't give a shit about you like you killed my front. It's infuriating citing if i'm looking in from the outside. You only really no information about her. You don't know what kind of person yousef was. You know that kind things that he did the work ethic that he had the drive that he had his laugh was amazing. it was just the funniest ever By this point the media coverage is really ramping up. The baltimore sun ran a story. People magazine ran a story. The daily mail ran a story. Cnn ran a story and these were just a few of the dozens and dozens of outlets that covered. This case and kristen is right. The media seemed to focus for the most part on sophia and her father's connected status. And the gory details of seem to be an afterthought so i think we see this a lot in these kinds of cases and we have. What's going on here is twofold. We have this highly connected political figure. Who's the father of the perpetrator and we have not a lot of details about what's happened in my theory on that is due to who are father as her father squashed a lot of things being released and and this is a different story for us in that. There's it fewer details to work with unusual. But i think that's the point. We want to convey that. The damage control that sophia's father was doing is still evident today as you're trying to figure out what happened here i mean. I think that we all know that high a powerful political players can pretty much erase basically whatever they want i mean even murders sometimes so to me. This isn't that surprising that it seems to the detail seemed to have been wiped a lot from the situation that has gone on. But it's sadly typical of what can happen in in our country. Thank and it's also a matter of what the media focuses on the media is always gonna focus on who the more famous person is an especially you know you gotta remember in dc. The celebrities are the politicians are the people in government. So if they're able to find a story this based on on that even if a family member of somebody connected to that they're going to run with it and you see that everywhere with cases like aaron hernandez where the biggest celebrities in boston. Our sports figures. You don't make focused a lot more on aaron hernandez than on odin lloyd. Who was you know his his victims. So you've got a lot of that going on and especially because You know they and listen these reporters in these towns. They want the information. They definitely want it because they see blood in the water and they want to go for it. But you're right. It's you know these guys are very highly connected. And they're going to try to squash as much as they can to get as the information comes out right and i think one more thing worth noting is that there was so little information about sophia available. Her social media sites have all been taken down and she's twenty seven. She's not twenty two. You know sometimes college age. I should be able to find more. I did find one thing that is sort of just playing into exactly what we're talking about. So in two thousand sixteen. There was a report that she was banned from entering joint base. Myer in arlington virginia literally banned from entering the premises due to some something. But i can't find out any more about but like to get banned from an air force base. We have to. This is complete speculation. Why are you trespassing on. An air force base. What what what did what did you do. Get banned from it. If you're not in the first of all she's not in the air force so why is she there at all. And if she why she's banja okay. Maybe she got banned because she was trespassing. I don't know a cause and effect there. I have no idea but that is strange. It is especially concerned especially considering who her dad is secretary of state. It was a state of one what what was going on there. I think that there's also something to it that the perpetrator was a female and the victim was a may all. Because i think as a society we always and it is usually perpetrators a man and a lot of times victims a female. So i think that there's some sense of like attraction from the media in a case like that as well anything about jodi arias. Nobody knew travis alexander's name like at all for the most part so people really latch onto. I think female killers in that way as well. Hopefully and just one more thing to that. I found again scant evidence about sophia but in twenty eighteen. She had a federal bench warrant placed on her for not showing up for court date. I don't know what that what she was. Oh boasts to go to court for because that's all information you can't find but so this one person on twitter was like posting the stuff and at replying like calling people out like what is this about you know but again you can't find anything whoever's this damage control that's been done to protect her as been effective and it is. It is so hard to scrub the internet of very hard like that is almost impossible to do so. Yeah and like you said if she's twenty seven years old there's any normal twenty seven year old has a bunch of shit all over the internet like it would be almost impossible to pretty much scum. Somebody's life so that there's a lot going on behind what we're talking about literally the first ever head of national intelligence of the united states if someone can scrub something. It's this guy literally to be the most connected digitally and as far as like well you'd also think about his perspective right. The he probably has the highest level of clearance. You can get without being the president and this is what is doing like. Imagine what you would do. And i'm not saying he's i'm not saying what he's doing is good or bad but like whoever government. He's not working for it anymore but they're probably like handle this dude like your handle. It's making us look even worse than we do right at d. r. bad pr pr and it might have been something like she might have been saying stuff on social media you know. And he might have. Even put a clamp on it and gotten in there be a raised in before this. You know what i mean. We are ways that even though he wasn't he wasn't still in that office. You have friends and that's in. Dc is entirely based on connections. That's what that's how dc entire right. And i want to just give reminder here that this is speculation about jong ponte scrubbing the internet. I mean there's nothing there says assumption we're making but we're alleging this we don't know for sure that thing that bothers me the most is that there's almost no information about him. You don't get a sense of who he was in the kind of person. He was a random comment from a close friend. That doesn't mean anything to you if you don't know him if you can't get a sense of the person that he was well christmas going to help us understand yousef and the person he was she met yousef at muskegon university in ohio must game. University is in eastern ohio in a city called new concord. It was really hilly in very nature oriented. There is a big lake and bunch of ducks we call the muskie ducks so. I met yousef through my roommate my sophomore year so we were all super close. We just inseparable. Kristen describes yousef as being totally loved by everyone so you said if he was like a little guy. Like kind of buff is really good-looking. Sweet everybody knew if everybody loved use. He was friends with everybody. Knew everybody and is probably one of the best people i've ever met. He was a wonderful conversationalist. I could talk to him for hours. He was very chill in. There was just a vibe of relaxation with him. He could be funny. All of us would just roast the crap out of each other and then other times ham me in a couple of others would set on one of the roost and just talk for hours long deep conversations. He's the one that you always trust to like. Walk you home at night. He was pakistani american. I didn't know his family. But i'm sure they're great because they've raised a great son. There was even a point when kristen thought there may be more than a friendship. Between yousef in her i was in alpha sigma alpha and he was in phi kappa psi fraternity. Our houses were right next to each other so him and i got really close. We kinda bonded over our love of sports because he was a student assistant coach for the soccer team. Him and i talked about tennis and soccer. And how much we loved it. Just what it meant to us. We were kind of talking for a little bit and held hands. We're kind of cutesy with each other. But it kind of boil down to. We weren't fighting with each other like that. He was a really big part of my life. We were just inseparable. Each other every day had lunch with dinner with each other every day ended up being like a brother to me instead. And here's some more about yussef. He studied health and fitness at muskegon university. In the more extensive reporting about use of staff. His friends told reporters how selflessly yousef lived. He was described as quirky friendly and smiley and his friend austin said it was pretty much impossible to not smile around him or be mad with him at all. He wanted nothing but the best for himself but also more for others and yousef was on his college soccer team but he had a lot of friends on the swim team to and was referred to as an honorary member and another friend referred to yousef is one of the most selfless respectful and culture people. I've ever met and yousef worked at his college radio and announced for sporting events and he also hosted a weekly soccer program at six. A app usa volunteered as an assistant coach and he didn't bat an eye at the grunt work involved with his job and use of twitter profile. Read the following quote. Life is a song sing. It life is a game play. Life is a challenge. Me to life is a dream realize it life is love enjoy it. The loss of yussef reverberated through maryland. Especially for the city of bethesda where he was from moscow. 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She stated this was a violent unprovoked attack upon a friend citing house afia stabbed of numerous times in his neck chest face but then sophy is defense. Attorney andrew jezek claimed that sophia was not the initial aggressor quote at most. Whatever happened was that she felt in her mind that she needed to protect herself. And according to the witness this wasn't the case but this is where they were going with it ultimately the judge sided with the state and denied her bond and ordered her to be remanded and judge. Patricia said quote. I do know that something happened. That caused and otherwise affable pleasant family oriented young woman to create a circumstance that resulted in the death of another person and it turned out that the judge wasn't the only person perplexed by sophia seemingly unexplained attack on her friend over a quote unquote silly argument. If you had a great deal of support at this hearing nearly a dozen family and friends came to support her and sofia's moms spoke to the press and explained how she and her husband adopted so from an orphanage in honduras when she was a baby she added that her daughter had recently completed an alcohol treatment program but noted that she's never exhibited violence throughout the span of her treatment and her mother continued. You said her dream was to be a nurse. Her dream is to be a nurse so if you asked to try to live independently of us with an eight days of that independence. This gasoline night occurred and her friend died and searches on. Facebook confirmed the shock of sofia's involvement in something so awful went beyond the confines of her family articles about of killing circulated on facebook. And those who knew. Sophia made comments resembling this one that we found quote. She was so kind. I just can't imagine she would do something like this. When chris. i contacted us to share use of story. I suggested that we wait in the hope that more information become available i conducted this interview with kristen last year. Probably in march. And i held onto it. Because i didn't want to tell an incomplete story but really do to the you know the state of the world and the court systems. The pandemic continued to get worse. And that didn't happen so so fierce trial still has yet to be commenced and as you've probably noticed compared to other cases we usually cover. We don't know a lot in this one. And i think that's kind of the reason why i decided to move forward with it anyway. Because it's like there's something wrong with this entire situation and we really don't know what happened but i think what we can glean from just things we were together. I mean clearly. She was in an alcohol treatment program and her mom said she wanted to live independently of us in. This happened. Eight days later. So i feel like sofia's hadson demons for awhile if if parents are worried about twenty seven year old living independently. Yeah i think that those are. There are very few clues that we can kind of pick up from. What's going on. But they're kind of telling clues like you said like that statement is pretty telling of what's going on and i think that your decision to move forward with this episode is a small one because we honestly seeing how what's going on here. We probably won't really ever know that much about what's going on in the case and not itself is a problem rights and there's so little evidence that they talked about the reporting but i was able to glean some things so i looked at the motions that have been filed in the court like the they have the record of all the motions that have been filed and all the hearings that have been conducted from both the prosecution and defense and i think we can make some deductions based on these about what what the trial might look like eventually. So the state filed a notice of intent in calling an expert witness in forensic biology. The state filed a notice of intent to present dna. That i think is curious. I mean if we just want to talk some of what. dna evidence. yeah i. It is strange because that's the state doing that. You think that would be the defense trying to throw a red herring in there or something. Maybe just water button. Everything down because juries or always like we want to see dna. I'm not sure that is so weird though. Because she was there she admitted to it right. So it's like what yeah. What could you be trained. That's very interesting. It seems as though sophy defense attorneys fought long and hard to get her another bond hearing which is something the state had been countering in the defense filed a motion to exclude testimony from the witnesses from that night philip guthrie from his from this bond hearing and they also filed to suppress jail recordings of statements made when she was arrested. So it's it's clear because we do have philip guthrie. there philip. Guthrie is saying something counter. What she's saying really because the police saw that they walked in really seemingly right after it happened. She saying i'm sorry. She's not denying that she stabbed him. She's gonna go for self-defence guthrie saying this wasn't self defense so they're trying to get guthrie as far away from this case as possible. Because he's really kind of the linchpin there because if guthrie's not there she would have a much stronger case by saying remember when he was digging in his backpack. I thought he was going to pull something out. She could even say that that he attacked her. She can say a lot of things if not forgot three so that seems like what the defense is trying to do. I mean imagine being guthrie at that moment to knowing how powerful her. Data's and god knows what they might have done to maybe threatened him or shut him up or anything like that like. That's a really scary position for him to find him so hopefully they're not successful in suppressing his statements because they seem very relevant new. Yes so according to court records on july thirtieth of two thousand twenty s feel was granted bond and she was released on one hundred thousand dollars which was put up by her dad and while there aren't answers yet it seems as though a trial date for sophia was set for april nineteenth of twenty twenty one so we may get these answers that were so desperately hoping for maybe not and obviously even if we do. The answers can't even begin to make up for the loss of yussef. There's so little context available in terms of trying to understand what happened. What was the status of use offensive relationship. We don't know but again doing your own little deconstructing. Here's what we can infer based on what we do know. They read a rented airbnb the day before valentine's day that could be something that could be nothing because a friend later joined them but they were alone at first. So was there more than friendship. Here will i know when i rent airbnb and with one other person that's generally a relationship that's what you can infer but who knows right but probably i mean i'm going to guess so who really knows but i really am curious about what sophie defense will be. Bill you speculated that it will probably be self defense since that's sort of what her defense attorney said in was inferring at the bond hearing We know she was alcohol. Rehab program her. Mom shared that with the media. Maybe it'll be you know. She'll say she was intoxicated. Doesn't remember because we know that according to the witness fill up that yousef you're drinking when he arrived at airbnb so doesn't seem as if that alcohol treatment worked could that play role her defense possibly probably maybe not another big hole in this case is this quote unquote silly argument. That's afia said prompted the attack on yousef so what could have possibly driven her to such a decision. it's really really hard to comprehend. And of course without more information it's hard to really Speculate but kristen has thoughts. So i'm not sure if they were dating or talking or what but since there is a third person. They're kind of seems like a little bit off if they're dating trying to date especially if they've gotten airbnb the thing that doesn't add up to me is that he was always the person to defuse any kind of situation before blew up just seen that he was arguing with somebody that just. It's not right to me. I feel like there's a lot of information missing and it might just be extremely relevant to the case that can't share it publicly but there's a lot of information missing. Just her story alone doesn't make sense. I wish we could hear his side. Because i feel like there's her side his side of the truth but we're missing to those pieces completely. So here's an interesting aspect to unpack. How has safina's father's political affiliations connections impacted. How things have unfolded so far. Let's start with what kristen thanks. I think she's definitely getting some kind of special treatment or protection. It seems to be kind of romanticizing. The fact that she's done this awful thing but it's fine because she's the daughter of us diplomat. Which you know has nothing to do with anything also at the same time. It has everything to do with it because she is protected. That seems to me like a performance. Because if i think it was reported by the police that she said that shrank to act like she has some kind of empathy about it. It also says that she. She didn't realize what she was doing until she took the knife out of his neck. Which i don't buy it all because there's so many steps to getting there. I feel like you have to be aware. I just don't buy it. It seems like the media kind of painted a picture as if yousef was aggressing her and that she was defending herself which is really easy to paint. Because that's something that is reasonable in a lot of situations but you also have to acknowledge that. She's the one who went over to the kitchen. She took out the night. She walked toward him. He had his hands up. He was not doing anything to her. And the person i do and it's interesting. You know the media focused on sophia and her father's connections but those things didn't protect sophia from being indicted on first degree murder and for months. She didn't get bond so if the media siding with her. It doesn't seem as though the police in the courts are which is obviously a relief. In this case. We'll have to see what happens when the trial begins and either way even a guilty verdict won't bring yousef back. It's just so sad because you can be the one of the best people ever and the such a late in the world and then just be taken out like that. You didn't do anything wrong. Somebody just up and decided to take you out. That's hard to measure. I definitely take a second look at people. I don't trust very easily and it's sad but you know you kind of have to nowadays. You can't trust anybody. You have to be very aware of your surroundings especially when involved. I want some justin occur because she deserves to be put away. She did something awful to a wonderful human being out of the world and then she's just being celebrated in the media it's sickening you think daddy's gonna protect you and that you know nothing that is going to happen to you but you have to be responsible for your own choices. And she chose to do this. I think she deserves to be put away forever. Well thank you. Kristen for being are first degree connection for this episode. If you are out there listing and you think that you have a story you would like to tell. No story is too small. So e mail us. Hello at the first three. Podcasts dot com. You can fall instagram. At the first degree at alexis linkletter at billy jensen at jack. 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Nope just sparkling water here. So am i. Liquid death sparkling of choice. Guys are back home from your trip. How how do we feel about being back home and kelly. I'm really jetlagged. i'm really tired. But the weather's gorgeous. Shockingly nice can you really you get to appreciate southern california when you get back here and you realize how great the weather is. Because we were literally we were literally ping pong in between atlanta which was like freezing in orlando which is like swamp air. So was like an i. Didn't i forgot. We were going to florida for some reason. So i brought like wool endow the heaviest nothing in florida. I was like miserably. Hot or freezing. The whole time it was no there was no comfort. We walked around florida and then we snuck into the grand floridian and we were both all wearing all black and my jeans blackshirts. It was like we were like like like. Who is that. German techno group walking around that makes these people with with shorts and tee shirts on her body suit. And i was like. Billy i need to go by a t shirt right now or i'm gonna. We went to this other hotel. That had a gift shop at everything was so ugly. I came back. He's like you didn't get anything. They didn't have anything black. They just had like pastel pink and like it wasn't the sweat and us. Oh you should have gotten yourself a nice souvenir from being in florida. You know so. I just want anymore crap at my house. No one doesn't like crap in our house now if we could have if we could have found a cool black probably disney villains shirt auditor. Something that would have met but now did you guys end up like walking by any bars that were popping and friendly. We drove through. Orlando it like when we got to orlando from atlanta. Billy was driving. My jaw was on the ground. We saw people in like sequined dresses. Like going to clubs hold in groups. It was like it was like cova never happened there. It was crazy that's never happened. We'll during the super bowl. It was like dip blow and fifty cent. We're having an actual full on concert there. Which was shocking. If you don't wanna be if you want to live in a make believe world just go to florida because they are not help. Some people are some people are just like really good about it. Some people not so much. There's rain everywhere. And then we went to one truckstop as we were driving. We probably logged maybe thirteen or fourteen hundred miles on the trip and we went into one truck stop and then i didn't realize it until like sort of the very end because alexis like this. Let's get out of here. Everybody literally everyone in the truck stop wasn't wearing a mask and it was all different types of types of people wasn't it was like an snl skit cafeteria every type of person you could imagine like every demographic or or subculture it was like everywhere you look. There was no mask and it was. It was like a nightmare taking like. We're doing tests every other day. We're doing all of these calls. We're lexuses double mask and a shield and has here alcohol on her hands all times. When we went to new york jack. I was dying jackson on the phone with her mom. Like no mom. She's worse she's worse about it than me like spray everything with all your actually worse about it than my mom is. My mom is the biggest germ freak in the world before cove it so then when cova came around i mean. She's still spraying every single food container. Glass whatever with pure alcohol as well even though there's little to no you know transference of covid through surfaces but she's still doing it and alexis. Oh are you so my my you know. I came this far. I came this far without getting it without transferring it. I don't wanna get it. We're almost there at the home stretch. Might as well just keep the diligence up cannot get it now absolutely refused to get it. Now we're almost there okay. Well i'm glad that you guys are back. I was listening to an older episode of ours recently to do a little bit of a research for something that we're working on. Have you guys went back and listen to any old. I degrees because they are so different and so amazing in their own highway. No tell us. I haven't yeah. What did you. Because i know the episodes that you're talking about. I'm going to listen to them tomorrow. But for for a special guest appearance that we're going to be doing but no what happened. What did you discover. Well first of all. I mean they're so less structured than the way that we do it now which i think it's like good and bad. We had so much more banter in between us saying the facts of the story but it would go on the craziest in longest tangents about random shit and the story would just like it would go all over the place and then we also would keep in when we would go up so i would be like trying to pronounce a word for five different times and then we just keep it in. We wouldn't take it out. We wouldn't start over. We wouldn't try to sound smart like we do now. We just kept all of our our mishaps in the episode and it was kind of endearing what we do now is like what instagram is. We do like a highlight reel but you have no idea all the mishaps that happen that we edit out now. We got so much. We get so mixed criticism about that. Some people want the banter back. Some people hated it. It's just like you can't please everyone. But i like. I think incorporating some more deliberate banner is good which we're going to try to be better about because there's gotta be a balance that we can find but yeah it was. It was endearing way we used to do it. Like little children. I mean and we did in the beginning for the first episode that i had listened to we talking about it was the first time that we learned what harry potter houses that we're in and alexis still hadn't watched. Have you watched harry potter sohn center. Still no still no still no while we all like took the potter more tasks and founder houses and it was. It was pretty cute in the beginning but we talked about that for a good ten minutes before we even tried to get into the episode where it's hard when you're authentically friends of people. It's easy to go off on tangents which we are to do in real life and remember we were doing those in person. We've literally it's been a year now that we've been doing the over zen caster and zoom. So it's a different dynamic. Usually when we're in person where it's a whole night you know more and it's more fun. That's what i was gonna say. The chemistry i know alexis likes doing these remotely because it's easier but our chemistry can't be beat when we're all together. It's just a different kind of feeling. It was more fun. We would make a night of it and honestly we were doing. We were being more creative business wise because we had more time to talk about business and like the brain and we would have dinner. It was more bonding for sure. I do miss that. i miss it to. It'll it'll come back at some point. Hopefully a few months. There's two things in the episode. That i wanted to point out one of them and i totally forgot we did. This is at the end. The episode i would say what did we learn today. And then we'd have a wrap up discussion about what we learned from that episode. And i thought it was really cute. I think we should bring that. We should bring back. Yeah i think that. I mean we're trying to Do a second episode of the week just for killing time. So i think that when we separate killing time from the regular episode we should have a. What did we learn today. Discussion at the end to wrap it all up. You know angry. I agree good. I in the the last thing that happened in this episode is we are trying to figure out what to call our listeners and there were some good ideas that we never followed through on and just wanted to bring them up so you guys could like have it in the front of your memory just in case we wanna use any of them. Are you ready. Yes okay so number one. We wanted to call our super fans of the hour pranked. Let's go through that. That's definitely not happening you late. Oh yes there. Also the hotlinks there is the hotlinks. Hotlinks are delicious. i don't hate that. It was hotlinks because everybody that listens to the first degree is a hottie. And then we're all linked together. I like i like the hotlinks i like. Yeah so maybe we'll bring the show. Maybe we can do some kind of like hot link we can bring the hotlinks into killing time or something like that and make some merch off of it. Speaking of hot link. I have a digression if you'll allow me to do that so i was weirdly watching random channel billy. I think it was our last night. Wherever we were staying atlanta who knows. I was watching undercover boss. Okay and it was the ceo of weiner schnitzel who disguised herself and went to go work at the wiener schnitzel. And i had like a whole new respect for weiner like any hotdog now just based on like like one hundred years themselves. I don't know. I don't like hot dogs. They think they're gross. I still. I don't like the way they taste but she really cares about these hot dogs she was. She's an older woman. They dressed up like a twenty year old like punk queen like with like black guy. Liner like spiky was like this is an amazing show. I've never watched this before. But that's my digression sorry weiner schnitzel undercover boss. Do they come in as a new employee for undercover boss or do they commend is like a secret shopper. They come in and employees and they they tell the other employees that they're they're doing a doc on like employee training or something like because they obviously have to explain like why they're there they're filming. It was so funny. The guy who pulled the people training undercover boss knowingly aside. How how'd you he's like. She is not cut out for fast. Food man this woman does not know what she's doing so funny on. But i didn't. I've never seen that show. But it was just idly on and i loved it i was like this is a is good tv tv and thank god. You're going to stop disrespecting hotdogs. Because every day alexis will say one bad thing about a hot dog and it really does dampen the mood. Alexei s. I don't like i'm still. Don't you're going to have to start liking them when we start calling our listeners. The hotlinks human hotdogs human hot dog a d. last name somebody had come up with was the van gen satyrs. Nope the van. Jen i well. Was it combined over names. I don't feel blink lead gen saturday. The van layers like that one too. You know we going pull some the into into the i e lifestyle but i am glad that we ended up landing on i e is because i feel like that's the that's the best name for a list. It is it's easy. it's good there will be. there will be. Do we have any merch. That says i zone it I need to make some listen. We're going to do a whole relaunch and all this the catchphrase can be. I is not the worst sees a memoir bef bia. I d nauta. Were sti something like that. We are really a lot better at our. We're really better conversationalist than night. That was ever set on this podcast. We we really need some liquid courage. It's hard but you gotta do what you gotta do. You gotta the podcasts out. Somehow and this is our only time to do it so godspeed to us. 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Sarah Snook (Succession, An American Pickle), Jordan Fisher (Work It)

The Big Ticket with Marc Malkin

51:42 min | 9 months ago

Sarah Snook (Succession, An American Pickle), Jordan Fisher (Work It)

"Hey everybody. Welcome to this week's. Variety IHEART. PODCAST. Ticket I'm your host. Mark. Malcolm today's I. Guest Is Succession Star Sarah Snook. We're chatting about the HBO Series Eighteen Emmy nominations how she's nothing like her character shift or the Early Twentieth Century Jew from Eastern Europe, she plays in Seth Rogan's new comedy an American pickle. Then later in the show Jordan Fisher, the actor singer and dancer is here to talk about his new Netflix's Rom com work it opposite Sabrina Carpenter he also opened up about being multi-ethnic in Hollywood and what he thinks the industry needs to do to be more inclusive. So stick around I'll have Sarah snook coming up after the break. Welcome to the Big Ticket Sarah Snook earned an emmy nomination last week for her work as Shiv. Roy on HBO hit and totally addictive series succession, and now you can catch her in an American pick up a new seth rogan comedy in which she plays a Yiddish speaking wife in Eastern Europe in the early nineteen hundreds I caught up with snook via zoom while she's quarantining with a friend in Melbourne. Australia. As your style. House you're. Just kicked into another level. We just went into stage for. Lockdown. Yeah. Yeah. So that's like. We have. A curfew cranked by saw I don't know where your government officials are called, but the guy was on the TV I was watching twitter. Yards watching twitter get beer. But he was like you can't. You can exercise for one hour within five kilometers. If, you have to go shopping only one of you are allowed shops is it is there that outlier so bad melborn is on. I think we just have different expectations of our outcomes like. We went into the first stage three lockdown when we will getting triple digits like hundred and fifty cases a day and state freaked out when no we're going into lockdown. Then three weeks after that, we were getting seven hundred cases a day, which is insane to think that we went into lockdown people were not going out and we were getting more cases but then they found that like one in four would disobey we're testing positive and then going to work so like what? Am standing there are mitigating circumstances in like you might job all those things, but it was like you're kidding May. Look. Now. Lease leaders who are saying yeah. Yeah Yeah, and that's fine. A very fortunate position having a friend that I can live with the. Living by myself and I would be climbing the walls and even with this this news separate sort of you have to keep away from everybody lockdown that unlike. Buddy walking deletions. You shouldn't. Little it's pretty surreal I. What it again thank on living with a friend because he was on like, woke me up to tell me I run into his great. Very. Sweetly, he went and put some. Flowers. In and we were like. Crickets. By the way, what will I feel like what the actual event will be like as well as as it's so like distance surreal. Willing event that happened it like fantasy and drain on. What always the Tax Star at nomination. While? Exploring on uninvited Hussein. This. Congratulations in virtual high fives, this situation. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, yeah I'm so proud of everybody unlike. Like all the the crew as well like the technical production. Nominations record design and and obviously if it can closing Nicholas. She's to censor what what was the big different what was a big difference for you? For for me personally going into it a little more confidence, I found his great till I. Feel like I. Not deserve to be that because I think hell of actors N. people go through imposter syndrome that like fraud. But at least like I really enjoy being here and I'm GonNa make must thing and then being able to like have the the scripts that we've got the second season of journey that she on was so like what what a delicious that situation to seek you sink into Middle That's the right word. Delicious. It's sort of like with with the Roy's though it's delicious like ghetto mudcake it's on my God. Amazing the. Like Someone h this every day why they eat minded making food like this it's too much to rich. That, every day season to won't give you all scripts Flou- season. Now. Watchers non. Cereal like week by week. Or even like sometimes, you know a couple of hours we that the read through one time, which was stressful refund because you know it's like. It's like you know get Christmas Europeana. Openness grouping like what's going to happen this time? What funny thing is Greg Untold GonNa say no. Major. Just your mouth on the floor that you were just like. Oh. I mean festival was like the being the CEO. Of the company was almost. Like I felt like me as Sarah reading unlike the really the really insulation. Bane Sarah I, guess it someone. was going really really look at trust is then I felt like me reading that was saying that one would just great and that also was the first thing that I went back to shoot Ah for second season was like all going head to head with Brian the Titan Ono and I've really got to That, I would being on the show. It seems that they're offering Shiva really good storyline in season one if I is up and I'm really bad in this scene will leave opening tonight we kinda. We can't give this story lodge doesn't have the chops. Every read, the whole season doesn't feel like going into this. Dinner. Didn't really gonNA live you see. You see quite confident in the show we're watching. Don't see any of that neurosis. Jackson Ryan going. Butts. All right. Show in terms of camerawork, can you ever really be? Not a hundred percent on those shots again of. Every imagine there must be Where you like it or not tension I apparently. Yeah. And also like areas where the camera operators are in the shop where they like moving to the next area and trying to get around the corner to like. Pick up something that wasn't being seen or wasn't set up for and I love that because it means we didn't see in holly an idea, the scene. which by the way, David sounds strange using holy first name. the state was. Talking and a cafe in a restaurant and we did do a formal set up with was a two dollars tracks pushing installer slow. Getting different sizes, and that was the first time that I felt like I'd seen the cameras. For the first time that season and that was like episode seven I think. And what I love about that is then you the whole thing becomes like a dance, all the camera operators are in the same with us. You can see them you can see with moving and it's just it feels like it's always a russell rather than the final thing which would put us stress in a pressure on that Wouldn't make me feel comfortable. Exciting. Like. How people think you're going to be just like shit? You'RE GONNA walk in the room. crowder. y'All's just. Fuck, yeah I mean. Yeah I would like to be I couldn't do it. I couldn't keep a straight doing I think. There was a scene where it was just like a Shitty Day. Doing two units and to. move running late a one and cross town to get the other. Sane was like this Thang Bang Bang. Annoyed at my dad is I'm taking it out on you and then yelling at Tom and being conniving and I was in that mood is there and just get this done i. don't know what to do. A. Standing there waiting for potato and this poor woman who who was. On that day. Wow Bush's intimidating and I just went all. The character bleed is happening. It's crossing over a quick. Exercise the day. that. Lasted varieties, two guys but I'm for our streaming series at Brian and said that he knows what's going on in season three. So he is he shared anything. Jimmy Writer. Not a little bit of what she does. But when Jesse told me, I was like Oh yeah, that's like. That's ended. Its third sit. I yeah, I. If I would ride it myself if I would probably does does that then it the things that happened but like? There's broad outline things that I think. it's the umbrella that's the fun pot. The fun part is like what's in the middle? Do you have any idea start shooting again. Instill in a hurry up and wait stop. But it'll start at some point 'cause we wanted to and everyone else doesn't sir yeah. Those kids come into the scene. It's like they're going be like this to-, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. A stop. Though is like from the pilot. To the pilot, we shot November twenty November December twenty sixteen. This is like the Election Happen Yeah Lord of Times I know Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah, and it's twenty twenty. Now running onto seasons like it. You know that's the way that schedules what on but then we shot the second episode, which is he will continuation it's it's you know first and second. Time wise like a minute between the end of the first beginning. Second, we showed that in September of twenty seventeen. And so that's like. Here's the difference. That went through united. It's it feels like a really good process to get he season three. Once we do shoot it. I don't know what the schedule is to bring out, but it'll be a long time from two thousand sixteen. Season three right. Also operate. I think Jesse wants to be delicate about it and just I'd classy like I think it's a thing that everybody is aware of and where you know audiences of rooting intuitive these days. So even just sing mosque in the background at something or Hansel like those things that come pot daily lives. Those things maybe but nothing that is so that that is going to really tackle it head on his that's not the show we WANNA see the Roy's doing the thing that they've been doing that we love not pivoting towards a pandemic story. So what's the one seen you? For season two that didn't make the COP in your life. I. There is a scene that I really cannot say what happens in it, but I know it's a big old Tara and I can't wait to see what happens with. This season three and it's not my character. Is a couple of which I love. It was the same that Matthew had in season one that got cut rewritten into season two. Now thinking about it on the flag can't think if it isn't too. If it got cut, it could be. Just, because the writing is a great, some it and it's over written in intensive legs. Not. Not Style. But you know we're we're shooting a fifty eight minute. Episode. Riding. Riding seventy five pages. The episode tent was so long and read. So well it bounces along you don't feel you've written the red eighty-five and it gets cut down and cut down. We saw shooting. Along. With that, then things have to get cut and so when they do get cut off, does that mean it exists in the universe with dozen in the minds of the characters or does it have to get like? Struck from memory. Brian famously has told the stories told the story to me. and talking to people about how at a cafe someone tapped him on the show every show as anything that happened to you heard any connections that the murdochs are intitiative. No idea. Although I at the Globes last year. It was this year. Longtime. All. I did. Yes e- She's walking towards like Oh. Wow I'm being interviewed. But no I have not met or. Had any interaction late with TOWARDS HIM RE Just disappointed. WHO's invited to the Globes that is is off of family of that ilk. But thing is as I'm sure everybody has said that you've interviewed for has commuted from it's based on a family based on like you know and amalgamation of families of that that level who Know. Working with that kind of money and that kind of power. To Talk About Oh, yeah yeah. So you're Ju-. Insert roads. Now I JIM authors. I was surprised as Masirah Snug as the Jew from this made up country in eastern. Europe. Yeah Yeah. How did you get involved with this? Came to me. As the best offer I got like straight out offer in the states and I was like Oh cool says again like you know. Surprise you remember me we worked on Steve, jobs together but that was a couple of years areas a look interesting. Let me see what the character is It's like, Jewish woman only speak Yiddish religion slupsk Poland nineteen nineteen. So I'm basically his grandmother and his wife that's. Trying to blame people that two people that were exudes in in the brief as well. She had to limp there was a fight scene and she fights the hit off a fish and is has a very distinctive sneeze for like oh Okay, a news. Go to me. Awesome I. Feel about that I taught us. But, I mean, I'll do it except I'd love to play this. SORT. Of? You. Know. Millet, what would my lines and then a new? Sets well when he was speaking but then. I with A. Coach who had dumb neom. Federal the roof, the full version of that, and he was brilliant and was able to really like get the nation and do you know what? He will be ill like wringing his hands because when I saw, I was I gust the edit in the end of the. The one mistake Manchurian Madman but the one mistake I made is definitely there and I could see. There's a intonation thing that's wrong like I said it wrong and I corrected myself as well and they used that virgin and. It's My my favorite the one that I do remember is. Named or of a mixed From memory that's like. Not It's too expensive here and I am I am destitute. When she's asked what become often this market stole like need despite the title You think when you heard the premise of the movie. Oh in saying. that. I loved it. Yeah. And I love the in the trailer you could a the scientists explains the logic and everyone believes if. That's all you need. A frigging movie. Education part of it that's. Tall. Longer just of pickle film which I Enj- untitled kit will yeah. You know how they do like untitled Seth Rogan adult actresses. Pill so I ask you. To or Not I Had genuine nightmares unadorned. Another person who dreams that they tend up on stage naked during that I. I do date waking anxiety but not sleep anxiety owned. But this this one I had nightmares where I was on set and I had decided not to learn my lines I thought I'd go succession on it and and no lines and kind of like could wing it around though the intention. Ethic and I woke up on Saturday was desperate to find an ad who had sides because I didn't know what was meant to say and and seth was like coming towards made to start his shot and I was like seeing him approach going. I would go to sleep dreaming of of Yiddish like scrolling across my brain will. Own. You come home friends fantasy. So where were you? What was your filming? Jewish. To get round the premise of the film. I. Play Sets Wife and also his grandmother because he plays his own grandfather and himself. Like. Okay. So in two different time periods while I die, so you're not hang on. Learning nine, hundred, nineteen When are you be some music? Bronze. Antibodies. Let's. When you were talking about the room comes with the mosques. Well. The theme song is antibodies have do you have the? Now I love it so much. It's been my head's like three or four days straight I could. Go to sleep at night. I'm like he also because. The the lyric of like mascarpone mask on Moscone mess gone and the. Bit Every time leaving the House and like a keys. Hands is a mask on masks Musco mask on. Just. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to user. But for what I do I mean Gerald. Rap. Nick Nick Skoda's he's going song. It's kind of punk like one, eighty two. I do what would sort of shift would do but I I grew up with my my cousin is is a hip hop guy I grew up. Try to pretend to be him at wrath of it I. Really like. Ping. Wide. Not, so shy. Rap. I know I got I can sing I I don't know. I. Would I would release a when I would release something but it would be a. Jeremy I. It just in like. I really appreciate how Jeremy Doss the director whether we could if. The first time he did the performance whether it could definitely be having the cameras being trained on us as well as him like he was putting his his basic coverage for me. Let's deprioritize that in the way that is good for this because a really WanNa make sure we get night the fist glimpses of benzene do this which heaven because also, what was scripted was very different from what actually ended up happening because I couldn't actually maintain a straight face to do what was scripted. About it it was that since they're laughing. I think animates censorship as well. And cure it had something different for Roman as well. But that sort of just. Involved into what it was. I'm amazing like 'cause it saw. It's good and bad and wrong and right and it really it sits right in the middle of all of it that you just. Impression for what was the first edition you ever? Oh. I. Had this memory just recently and I don't remember the inside but I remember being outside I did sound of music when I was I would have been like. Maybe twelve. So I feel like I was the wrong age, the female characters, but I went along anyway 'cause a friend was auditioning and he was really good. He ended up being in an and getting cost and I remember being outside the whole. Community Hall where we would have to listen though it was a professional gig and I'd never done a professional gig. I remember being outside and seeing streams of children going lining up to get in and may just go on no no, no, no no. No. This is not good. Hurling competition. You're eleven. Yeah. I. Know I'm not I. Don't want be in competition with people. This is not going to work out at all That was that was I don't remember what happened inside of blackout. Inside I had a lot of fun I'm sure but I don't remember what? Soon Yeah. Seeing them dance in groups. You really don't remember I just remember the outside of the whole. Out. Of. Blocks the memory out. Didn't want to compete on the are now. Off. To Compete to plan on Jewish woman. That's that was a real blood side of. Surrogate you so much so much fun. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks a Halloween congratulations. Oh thanks. An acceptance speech written. Know what? Will let me in my pajamas. What's What's GonNa. Wear TV. I don't know like. We can just wear whatever we want. Don't know how they're GONNA do it it's still it's a conversation that's happening. Could go like full tux dislike. The Norman via Pajama to something weird. I don't know that could wear house plant we'll be at home. You'll be memorable whatever it is. It'll be memorable. Probably it'll be like where use twenty twenty enemies. Yeah, probably at. Jarvis and then. Abdel, whatever it stem isn't you got vomited show et nomination, which is just yeah letters. Were there. Yeah. Very proud. I'm really glad that thing just. Able to shoot season yes. Same I'd call wait to get back to work and I think everybody's in that same but no matter the industry oil situation we can't wait you get back to. You know the next phase of normal. Happy Note. that. It's not gonNA. Give you pants on you know unless they've got the antibodies at. Same shorts every day. It's the same fuse I wear every day. That was Sarah Snook new American pickle streaming on HBO Max. I'm going to take a short break. But when I return, I'll be chatting with Jordan Fisher stick around. Welcome. Back to the ticket Jordan. Fisher was well on his way to becoming a champion gymnast when he followed a girl a crush on the fifth grade into the Drama Club now at twenty six years old has a long list of television credits to his name. He won the twenty fifth season of dancing with stars, and now he's in work the second Rom Com Netflix's following the February release of to all the boys. PS I. Still Love You I chatted with Fisher from his home in Los Angeles where he returned after work starring derive enhancing Broadway came to an abrupt halt when theatres closed due to the pandemic. This is this is my streaming rig. So I I'm here in my office. Eight. Hours a day. Minimum right I'm streaming APP eight free and then I have usually you know these kinds of things afterwards like zoom or own calls, emails that kind of thing. So. Because you have the perfect lighting for just all day long no matter what's going on. Absolutely how you doing mark I'm doing I'm doing well, thank you. I've watched your new movie work it okay. Run. Over movie. That's exactly what it is. So tell tell everyone tells reggie character. Tell us about what is working and who do you play work. It is your it's your your underdog story, right? It's your Cinderella story of You know this girl Quinn who who? Very ambitious, very driven, very focused on. What she thinks that she wants in her life then how ultimately through? Evolution you know meeting being around certain people, spending time with oneself, and just kind of reflecting on on what our actual goals are in life than it. Even some of the some of the things she feels like she's missing in a lifeboat will turn that into something else and and You know that's that's kind of how this ragtag team of dancers coming together and then, and then you mean my character Jake Taylor who? was was was on the track to becoming possibly one of the best dancers ever in America and and in in a competition for his ACL, and unfortunately you know it. It's that like that athletes story of all, like you know now I'm crunching numbers in an office you know but I was going to be the quarterback for the chiefs one. It's kind of that, Jake Jacobs? This you know. He's a good guy. He starts off pretty pretty harsh and kind of cold to begin with this. You know he's he's torn up he he misses the life of training and dancing and performing, and that was taken away from him and is teaching dance at biker. Kids Dance Studio and and You know missing that thing that he he writes hard to get and then obviously meets Quin and you can imagine what happens in terms of romance and every. If all enough reach with each other and and You know he helps them he helps Quinton and. And the rest of these dancers. Build themselves into an actually really great dance team. And Quinn obviously at the beginning shows how to dance and was there ever a time that you didn't dance that? You didn't know how to sing that? You didn't know how to act I. Yeah Funny enough. You can actually ask anybody that was in my life before the age of ten including my parents I apparently was tone deaf. I couldn't carry a note to save my life. I always thought that I signed the same. Yeah. No I I always thought that I was. That I was fine singer Whitney Houston in the car. And Gentleman. Thing and and. Apparently not sound the way that. I heard it and the one. So, one day. What happened when you were ten your Voice Crack one day I will up and I could sing apparently again this is like I get it it sounded the same to me but according to my parents ports my friends you know that grew up with me early no it that's what happened like one day all of a sudden you could sing so I don't know I don't really know how that how that worked I I had a love for Music Young Age Outta a love for dancing just art in general film television I didn't know that I wanted to pursue a gymnastics was my thing that that was what I was working hard. To do was to eventually make the team and. Briana Olympic rock had that was it was Oh, I knew I go to wake up go to school. Go. Straight from school the gym do homework on the way train, and then on the way home from from the gym after you know four hours hours the. I do more homework wake up early the next morning finish the homework go back to school and some repeat that was my that was my life instills. Happened to what happened, I, joined the drama club as there's a girl in fifth grade crush on so. Mama to raise no. Mom Environment. and. Then at holder as I told, my folks was like, Hey, that a solo in this musical that we're doing at school and they were like, oh The Oh. Okay. Hey. Goes you know and the way the story goes according to them, I I I left the room and they were like he has a solo to the rest of these sound like and. And It was schoolhouse rock. I think conjunction. And one thing led from another one one thing led to another. January of my fifth grade year through December of that same year. So going into my sixth grade year I for school play my first community theater, show a regional feeder show joining professional theater company, and then joined the Huron Conservatory Program they had and I got the bug really hard very quickly and Illinois a- now. This. This girl you were in love with is the one who's going to be your wife? No, it's not. I didn't. At that same theater conservatives like the year round program But that was years later house. Oh, I, was thirteen on that. Oh. You throw your elder man housing is an older man. You know but it was funny because we you know we up friends I was at she was Ryan years younger than me and thirteen and nine like at such a massive age gap the at that time. So she was like a sister to me you know growing up and then. We re-met as adults and I was like, oh. I and thankfully she agreed to date me and then eventually agreed with my wife so You really planning a wedding this month. Okay so it actually got move. When I saw that I was doing my research Mike. Getting married, there's no trips notre the Hawaiian in. July, unfortunately it's it is interesting dogs we Had We'd be days away I is out about. Yeah. I would have completely finished my run on on Evan Hansen moved into a dome that I'm producing, and then straight into straight into, you know these final as of wedding prep. and Co that obviously you know moved. It had different plans. She had different plan. So when when you drawing the drama club was it just like this is what I wanNA do or was it Fang? Yes. No I'd say you get bit by the bug. Any theater can tell you that you know all of a sudden. That's the thing that you want. Most right is I'm. More opportunities to learn and develop in on your craft and ultimately perform people and so it was it was pretty easy to obviously hindsight's twenty twenty I think that. Looking back on a now, the performance aspect of gymnastics was the thing that was really drawn to the working really hard at my craft. Figuring out how to get good. Figuring out how to be better and setting my own records and goals for myself and then. You know like with the meat comes in it's all those years in those just painstaking hours of one sweat and tears comes down to that one. You know forty five seconds a minute and a half moment of doing the routine and getting judged on it. And There was a real performance aspect. Yup of gymnastics to me there and obviously more. So up at now you know. So many years later and. I think that that was. It was new to me art was something that I loved but didn't necessarily know that I could do it first of all. And then secondly, getting. Putting myself in a position where. You, know I can practice these things and and and. Ultimately, have ultimately have created something with a bunch of other people and it brings joy to people that was the thing that really became more of a drug to me than. I anticipated doing and then you know. Join. This this this theater company right out indeed company Birmingham Alabama's mazing company There's so much talent that comes out of there we probably have like. Six. Alumni. On Broadway seven. Seven eight alumni on Broadway and On National Tours and Working in film and music, and all of these things. Now I mean it's there's a lot of great hollick out of their. It's the training that comes out of remounting company and. It's amazing. And you endure Evan Hansen. What's like leaving that day where they're like we're close enough had right now i. Did, we had no clue that that Wednesday night show is our lascaux. Woke up the next morning. It was a very normal Thursday morning i I'd stream in the morning and then Thursdays I, it's my my session with coach so I i. Had Lunch got ready you know at work the dog daycare got. Dresses hop in the car and heads. A delicious studio. Vocal coach and and I got a text. In a text read that have with with my classmates and it was just the playbill article that was tweeted out. That affected today. Broadway's shut down to five. PM. So. That very quickly went from. Okay. Well, I guess I'm not going to vocals. Session I'm going to figure out what's going on a Thursday afternoon. You know fifteen minutes later I think I was on a conference call with the entirety of the Evanston production company. So this is all of the casts is everybody that works for the show off from the national tour to Broadway to the West, thin and It was a bit of a town hall. QNA. What is mean? How long are we looking at this Of course initially, it was just a month. And those of us that are based in New York fulltime you know our for specialist. Can we and should we? Go all for. Diamond. Our EP said Yeah, this I'm. To go against I was on a flight at Saturday. And then I. Yeah. fulltime streaming schedule started on Sunday and been here since. and has to be I mean. Surreal is the right word, but you don't get to take a body your castle. This is your fit. You know this is the tight family. Then read every night right and you just have to be like OH -Kay? We're all in the same boat you know. Yeah. It. Definitely. It sucked. It was it happened so quickly but You know the the the unknown is the hardest part I think for any of US especially that. You know. I guess rely on the comfort of knowing exactly where we're going and what we're doing dave the week at all I think it's the unknown. That was so uncomfortable for everybody in instill is really Thing that weighs heavy on my heart honestly is just some. I think specifically people in the industry. Even more specifically in New York City where. Broadway Broadway's it is what this is what I do. This is my day. This is my nine to five. You know I a wakeup a half my day. I'm working on other things sometimes, and then I'm going in doing the show in the evening you know we go clock in and do the show and then go home and Rinse and repeat you know and that's eight times a week. And When I'm not working on my show, I'm working on a TV series or I'm working I'm you know maybe one of the makeup artists relaxes and is a part of a series of? Art Gallery? Whatever the case may be all of its shut out. That's the thing that I think heaviest I'm a hard especially for. The people that are. In, this beautiful community that have families you know. There's single mother in my cast and that. It's devastating in know. Hopefully we will come out of it like you said stronger and more resilient than it's going to be one of those things that can survive this. It's GonNa. Make US pretty tough. I. I, completely agree Ed's funding some of. Producing a handful of moves over the course of the next couple of years, and that's that's a brand new side of my life and my world is getting my production company up and running and built up and. And Thankfully you know I've I've got some things that are already like on the ground and running are being developed, and we have timelines for things were planning around how to film during cove it and Turns companies and Blah Blah Blah Blah, and and my man. Almost learning how to produce during COVID. is like learning to drive in La if you could drive in la? Drive anywhere. ILN during this time. So singer dancer actor producer Streamer who you look cruise your inspiration, who do you to saying? That person's on my Vision Board Donald Glover. Yeah on a glover. He's. He's doing it. These live. Why why is he the one who's doing it for you and just? I mean everything he he has the hand of MIDAS everything. He puts his hands on just the gold and it's genuine. It's real. He have a handful of. Friends that have worked with them and they all say the same thing. About, how a how kind he is how respected he is in the industry because of his kindness and his work it's it's really incredible I mean he's Constantly moving and shaking and and. You know so loved in the music industry. So loved in film industry writers, and producers, love him for his work he did on community in Atlanta, is as an actor. Just. He takes advantage of all of the the moments you know he's dynamic and range for days and and He's a black man. He's he's he's he's he's told loved in so respected and happens to also be black. Talk about that because you know. There was a time when men like you didn't have your like Donald Glover's to look up to right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I think that we've come a long way of God. Do we have a long way to go still? I think the people like Maranda and Donald Glover and. I mean we go down a list of incredible. Paste and change makers in our industry that. You know happen to be people of Color. At her so loved and their work is so loved. I think that it's it's it's the lack of opportunity to showcase these things that we really still need to have our eyes and ears on. You actually talk about this. Often I I don't know that. I've actually spoken any outlet or anything about it, but you know on twitch, for example, all of the top top streamers on twitter white men. In And and I'm like, what? How is that? Really a thing you know what I mean like what? How does how does that work its way there plenty I mean, it's it's a very diverse space in. The gaming industry itself is remarkably diverse as well. It's just there's just a lack of spotlights that are shed on creators that are people of Color. That maybe it's overlooked maybe people aren't necessarily thinking about they're just like Oh this guy's popular. You know let's let's feature him on the front page leads in. People are you know people have you know they're not? They have that unconscious. Racism in the sense of like that's the White Guy, right? Yeah. You're white guy on the page. And I talk about this all day right Especially over the course of the last couple of I mean I've had conversations that nauseam with. People that are my personal life and my work life you know my community on which Cetera et Cetera I think that ultimately at the end of the day still lack voices are the most inspirational. But also white voices are still the most powerful. And there's There's there's not a lot of change that can happen until the white voices go. I mean maybe. What if we did this you know. And The water's. Well, what's great I mean taking you back to work it you look at now get that diversity in the cast you look at. So many of these netflix's especially in the streaming world, but I keep saying my thing is it's it's GonNa. Be a generational shift absolutely going to happen overnight you can in a few very. It's GonNa. Feel very inorganic to consumers as well. Right I. Mean like Viney any move that has made by any big studio or network at the moment that. Sexism Leans. Towards. The world, of color. It. Consumers seems like. There's an agenda. And if there is the screw it, you know because into should be inclusivity and diversity. That should that just didn't agenda. Even. If even if we need to call it, Doug. Yeah. Diversity I got the idea of the poster from the head of muscles immediate media. She sent me the poster for work yesterday and it literally made me shut it here. I looked on credit. And of the nine odd people that are on their two of them are are are white. And I must say and like take the jobs away from the white. I'm white as well. Know to me like I. Just I love to see the way that America is shaped. Now it's my love shows like Hamilton. For example, you you you see Hamilton and these are the mythological creatures George Washington. Thomas Jefferson James. Atas Blah. Blah Blah. Blah Blah. Blah. They're all played by people that look the way that America looks the day. You know and it's just what it is. It's not that it's not talked about it's not. It just it is what it is, and if he knew that takes time first of all and and it's fine that it does because again, we have come a long way. We still do have a long way to go and taking these steps or you know it's the only way where there's a world where. My kids and my grandkids will will it won't even be a thoughts s won't be a conversation that ad because you're human and I'm human where humans. Now so has it even changed in that time that your? Been in the business like D-. Have you seen yourself up for roles that when you even I started out wouldn't have happened yeah. Yeah. I think that it has. I think that it hasn't some minor ways for sure. I when when I started I, mean we're. We're talking. Sixteen years ago. The idea of blended families for somebody like myself who is multi-ethnic? I'm all sorts of different things. I'm why I'm Black Talion Pacific Islander I'm Asian. I'm. All sorts of things. You know the idea of blending you know, let there be a white mom and a black dad or vice versa. It just was. It just. Still. I mean even though. We can talk about all sorts of families that are you beautiful. The world not just America that that are of all of these different you know. Ethnic backgrounds etcetera. That representation. ONSCREEN. Just rarely existed. If it at all and I have seen more of that I still to this day actually just just last year I there I was. In talks for a pretty big role for a pretty big film from a pretty big studio and had friends that. I think he's trying to tell me that he's not going to tell me what it is. I. I. You know I'm not my hero harmony. I I was I was. Told years on the ground there that. Because, they already had their ethnic. And it was a different color from the original character They for lack of a better term. More. I, guess inclusivity. I'm even not black enough not white enough. that. That's the thing like. I, still get today at irks me. Obviously I am Ram or in the way that I am you know I could say like listen I'll take him. WHAT'S THE Magid what's the point? You know? What's the point? It definitely, it definitely still is a thing. No and I think is becoming less and I think that because the voices are so loud right now. And as the conversation continues to flow just within our social culture we'll continue to see more change what what does it feel like to get you know a tweet or? INSTAGRAM or or message anywhere from a kid who says You look like me. There's nothing Michael. Yeah. Chris Jackson who play the original Benny an heights play the original George Washington and Hamilton. I was a huge fan of his I was thirteen years old and We had a mutual friend that didn't know friend who got him to call me. He knew that I was fan I will she knew novice fan dot Krista Colmey. We talked for an hour about. Life. Our family and friends. Blah. Blah Blah I was a kid in Birmingham. Alabama. I just started making my first trips to La you know what but there was a guy that was working on Broadway in a show that I loved. that. Was Mixed. He's doing it. You Know Corbin Bleu who became a very good friend of mine asked musical. You looks like me he's. He's like. Up There And doing the thing. And we could be brothers. That's all you know and I told both of these guys this thing and of course now they're both very good friends Industry as big is you know? Eventually just meet people in work with people and so on and so forth get into that conversation I mean when I was telling Chris know what an inspiration was to me and still is so loved to death. We actually haven't whiskey date next week down Jabber face diamond in cash out. Know. TOLD THEM A. Right look for when I met over owners like I I. Admire you so much for all these different reasons. But one of the things that I love most about you is something that you're not even responsible for its it's that. You look like Mitch. You represent those of us. That didn't know that we could actually you what you're doing doing it at the highest level and that means the world and then he said compensation with I can't work with one day. And then we didn't handle. Years later. Jordan Center so much this is great. Thank you for having. That Jordan Fisher work, it premiers on Netflix on. Seven But that's it for today's big ticket. Thanks for listening. Coming up next week I've got I'm so excited about this Nicole buyer host of Netflix baking competition show now. Until then follow me on twitter and Instagram at mark now thin and for all your up to the minute Hollywood news head over to variety dot com. Stay safe. And please wear masks. A.

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Instant Reaction: 49ers keep kicking the Rams' tails, win 23-20

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Instant Reaction: 49ers keep kicking the Rams' tails, win 23-20

"Support for this podcast come from. Cdw dell technologies betsy. Wg we get the migration. See to a hyper converged. Infrastructure is challenging. Like decaf gotta do it gotta do it. Slowdown frowned cdw. Jeez experts can help. Simplify your transition. From legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with dell. Emc solutions that offer speed and agility. Have you done it. Is it done yet netanya. It orchestration by cdw people who get it find out more at cdw dot com slash dell emc. What is good everybody. Welcome in the instant reaction podcast. I'm rob stats guerrero. Alongside me is levin black and lebanon for the first time and what feels like way too long. It's a happy recap as the forty niners. Get a last second game winning field goal. From robbie gold vega twenty three twenty. Win over the rams. What do i do with my hands. The forty niners a game. I don't know i'm conflicted. If i'm being honest in this i texted you that towards the end before they hit the field goal. I'm conflicted because while this should be completely happy podcast. No there's the little birdie in the back of my head going crap. They went any chance of getting a top quarterback. See like okay. We're gonna get into we're gonna get into that and we're gonna get into what is going to be the craziest end of the season for the forty niners that they've ever had because they don't even know where they're going to practice or play games after this week so we're gonna get into all that but first let's focus on the game itself. The forty niners defense was unbelievable in this game. Unbelievable the only reason they want is because their defense is they i. They forced four turnovers including a pick six from javon kinlaw. Which i don't hear all the buckner haters now suddenly disappeared or the the haters of that trade. I should say they were incredible. The rams nothing on offense the whole game as as grant cone tweeted. Robert solid is coaching. There's a job opening in detroit. And i tweeted prior to the well not prior. It was like right after the game started when the defense was looking for real i think was maybe in the first quarter the early second quarter. I said that if the niners are out of it at the end of the year. I wouldn't be surprised if detroit jumps the gun and tries to get him hired before the end of the season. When there's going to be a whole lot more competition because he is looking like if you wanna hire a defensive coach he might be the top candidate out there. Every week goes by he seemingly puts his name. You know higher and higher on on other people's list he. I mean they were incredible today like they were shut. You know the forty niners. Offense was struggling at points. And it's like okay. We got our backup quarterback and he's terrible. If you're the rams like what's your excuse that you couldn't again put together an offense against the division full the forty niners and robert saw and kyle shanahan own the rams. That's it like it is. It's just every time they play them. The forty niners find a way to win. Yeah you actually said almost exactly what a tweeted at halftime. The niners are down a whole bunch of starters whether due to injury or covert. The rams aren't so what's their excuse. You know i was talking specifically about. The offense is there because both offenses were a joke today. Like complete terrible. I mean this is one of those games that if you look at the box score will molin. Daddy just didn't get a touchdown. No he was completely garbage. He was brian hoyer bad and i said that to during the game that brian hoyer his lead better offenses than the one that showed up today. And let's let's be honest here. I think there is something to be said now. These two teams have played enough during the during. The two head coaches eras that they both have that. I think they know each other's offense really well and they can help the defense. Shut down the other offense. Because these games you'd think two of the best offense of minds coming in they would be shootouts. They almost never are. I think there's only been one game. It was high scoring. All of them have been weird game. There's so there's only been one and for the part it's been you know what defense can step up because the offense is have not been able to do anything that's been a large part of it like there's been games where the rams don't do anything and i think why wasn't like seventeen to three one game a year or two ago that the niners dominated but even then they weren't able to quite really take control what their offense and it was still somewhat in doubt they they know each other too well but at the same time the niners always come out on head showing that shanahan is the master and mcveigh's the student the forty niners defense as i said it was fantastic. Richard sherman was back. He got an interception really early. In this on kerry hyder has been like the find all fines. He has been incredible for the forty. Niners imagine what their pass rush would be without him. I mean it's not very good with them levin but without him there would be nothing there. I mean he's a monster back there. Yeah and we've talked a lot even on our own show and others out. There talked about it a lot about bringing in somebody else to rush from the edge to replace d ford next year. 'cause there's almost no way force brat pack. I mean he's been nothing burger because of injury and that's not going to change any time soon. I mean it is what it is at this point. Unfortunately the niners renegotiated his contract prior to the year which made more dead cap hit if he's cut but they still save money by cutting so we everybody's been talking about while they might spend big money there to once again have to quality edge. Rusher slow maybe they go kerry hyder on the other side of boza. Good enough that they deem. He's he's good enough that it's not worth spending money there. He was fantastic. Four tackles two sacks. Four quarterback heads recovered a fumble. Like he was an absolute stud. Frankly he played the way. I wish eric armstead played for most of the season. Although according to a cash. In kyle posey they think that armstead had a good game. This week i'll have to watch the film before. I decide either way but i mean haider's been unbelievable and if they could bring him back. That would be awesome. Because yeah like you said gimme bosa an armstead and kinlaw and hide her. And then it's okay that i can live with that as a defensive front for the forty niners the defense today was fantastic and i hope it has rams fans from sita's shining sieges absolutely fury you know. I want to address this because we have been critical about solid. Any i think podcast out there. We have criticized him heavily in the past. And i do think he is one huge achilles heel he will not adjust quickly but when it comes to actually make an a game plan and executing throughout the game. He's shown himself to be phenomenal this year. He creates phenomenal game plans. Now say a corner suddenly is out at the last minute and you gotta promote a guy from practice squad. Maybe he doesn't adjust yes that would be a negative but other than that. I mean that that seems to be the only real negative to his defensive. Coaching is that he doesn't just quick enough. But actual game plans are amazing. And we've have given him credit on this show saying that he might be a better head coaching candidate than defensive coordinator because he's a phenomenal motivator. He is that guy that gets players amped up. So i i would be shocked at this point if he doesn't get a head coaching job because defense has been so great despite all the injuries. Yeah i i was wrong. I said earlier this year. That i think he was going to get a look but i mean he keeps stacking. You know games like this together. And he's absolutely going to get a look. Jennifer lee chan was tweeting that somebody tweeted out a list of candidates and she tweeted and said oh. You should add robert solid to this. I was like jennifer. just now. come on. We don't need that. But the defense was fantastic and on offense levin was one guy for the forty niners that did anything in this game depot freakin samuel and. I don't know if he heard your claim that i better wide receiver or one. He was awesome eleven catches on thirteen targets. For one hundred thirty three yards. There was one play in particular where he caught a short pass over the middle. And there's like three rams around in one of them's got his arms wrapped around him and he just keeps running and shrugs. All of them often gains like ten to fifteen more yards. You know. it's funny because prior to the game. I was actually a little sad because my draft crush in that draft was aj brown and he had a huge long touchdown. Teo teo ask. I still think. Aj brown's a better receiver. I'm being honest but then this game comes on. And i i forgot all about it. I'm deebo i will say. This depot is a perfect compliment to. I don't think dubose a true number one. I think he's more a number two. He's kind of like a jarvis landry more physical jarvis landry and doesn't quite have the elite quickness and speed of jarvis landry but he serves that role and that's more of a number two role where he gets all the underneath. He does a lot of the screens things like that. Whereas i you is the guy that has all that potential to be everything as a receiver and the crazy thing. This game is the forty niners. Run game was pretty much non existent. They ran for one hundred and fifteen yards on thirty three carries. That's only three and a half yards. A carry raheem mostert was not very good. He had to two point seven yards per carry including a fumble. Jeff wilson had a fumble guy. We couldn't hold onto the damn ball and it didn't matter i mean deebo samuel was enough anytime. They needed a play which i loved. They went to deebo and aaron. Donald was terrorizing them all game and they didn't try and get cute and they didn't devote slant pass and catch it and he would run for yards and that's what they needed and there was just enough today and can we just get one game. Where i you can get a play together right please. 'cause like i was just saying they're like perfect complements to each other. I think is a similar player. Who is better at the depot and not quite as good at like an end around whereas depot is the short yardage monster when it comes to the different routes. He can run. I want to see them together. Even with nick mullins. Who likely will miss them. When they're open. I still wanna see them together. Like you said about mullins man. Look twenty four thirty five or two hundred and fifty two yards no touchdowns one pick. It was tipped at the line. And then intercepted. I thought he was absolutely horrible. In this game here shanahan after the game on molins quote. I was real impressed with nick. Today says mullins in a tough tough spot playing against the rams defense quote. He kept letting rip and made enough plays for us to win the game. Okay that's not really a compliment. If you win the game on a last second field goal then you could say he made enough plays for to win the game. I mean he wasn't very good but they won. People are going to give him a pass depots yak one again. Yeah yes you can say yeah. He hung hung in there. And you're still leading the fly. Yeah out a two yard out route. That turned into a twenty yard gain. I mean he he. I think he played decently in the fourth quarter. He kinda turned it around a little bit like that last drive. He was impressive on the last drive but that first half especially with his. I mean it was not nfl quality. Put it that way. It was the quality of quarterback that does not have a job in the nfl. very long. and i think it's fair to say i don't wanna turn it all negative but i think it's fair to say he's regressed this year from what we saw two years ago carrying this. It was such a weird game. It was shaping up for the forty niners to get the upset right. They're getting turnovers. They're turning the rams over. Stop the rams defense it was. It was great but then every time the forty niners had prosperity in this game. Kind of like the saints game. They gave it. Right-back i mean is maddening. They forced the fumble. They get good field position. Mohan's gets the ball intercepted right. They intercept goff later in the game and one of they do immediately fumbled the ball away like it was. The defense was doing everything they can to give him. The upset and the offense was doing everything they can to lose the game and give it right back to that. I had the thought during the game. This is the least excited. I've ever been for a game. The niners they're up seventeen. I think three at the time. There's been nothing in this game other than defensive plays but at the same time yes. The kinlaw was exciting. The defensive touchdown but every other turnover was yeah. We got the turnover and then we went three and out like that. There was no real excitement. There you know it was just one of those games. Were both teams. Were so bad on offense that even when the defense made a big play because there were seven turnovers in this game. I'm not mistaken. So you think that i like defense of games. I'll say that. I liked defensive games. I wish the league would go back to a more defensive rule set but this was not one of those games where he was just phenomenal defense. And you're like wow. This is a great great defensive game defense a battle now it was too often says that could not execute. It was two offenses the plate absolutely terrible which means when there was that big defensive of turnover. You're kind of like wow. They really did that. Bad on. offense wasn't some so much an excitement of play for a big defensive play. It was just one of those games where i sat there the whole time going. Wow this bad this is bad. It was the niners. Were three for fourteen on third down. Which is like that's hideous. That is brutal especially coming off a bye with extra time to prepare but made enough plays to win. I guess thank god for deebo. Samuel will say that as bad as mullins played in this game. There's at least two quarterbacks so are much worse than him this week. One's not really a quarterback people that were understanding. Did you see the denver guy stat. Line now he had more interceptions than completions right Same about one point. I looked in he. Well no he did have more at one point. I looked and he was owed seven with an interception and he finished one of nine with two interceptions like but then taste them. Hillhead like seventy eight yards passing. Ken kendall hinton was that his name. I mean i feel bad for the guy because he was a wide receiver on practice squad literally what today's notice and he had never even played wide receiver in. Nfl game let. Here's how bad it was just as we take a quick quick aside broncos actually asked the league if one of their coaches could play quarterback for this game. One of your coaches. You know. I don't get that. i heard. I heard them say that. I was watching the red zone channel earlier. And they mentioned that. During the first set of games and i thought coaches why when their team president be the quarterback john elway. They're like why. Didn't john overages just suit up on last time. That would have been fascinating to watch like. Even if it was for one series. I would have been glued to the tv. 'cause i bet you that he can throw. I bet you right now. John elway has a better arm nick. He's he's not one of these retired quarterbacks to let themselves go like he's still in good shape like he's still works out. All the time supposedly have read that or heard that. I actually had that thought. It made me giggle. Because it's like you know that probably would have been a better option. And if i was the nfl would we don't care what the rules are. This games getting flexed in the sunday. Night football twenty five years. But i mean getting back to the niners game. It wasn't pretty but it was a win. And like i. I know that you you're conflicted. Niner nate is texting me during the game. Actively rooting against the forty niners. I i don't go that far. I'm i'm truly conflicted like my wife. She came in towards the end and I think it was right when the rams were punting the ball back and she goes ho. You guys might win. I go yeah i i don't know how to i don't know what to make. It's like one of those things where i'm watching. The game in the fan in me wants to win. But the logical part of my brain is going if you win. You're not getting top quarterback like five wins already. There's no shot at like. That is over and i think that's in aboard line to draw but we'll get into that more later but i do want to say that. Maybe the season's over. I think there's at least a slight glimmer of hope that if garoppolo get back sometime in the next few weeks i think he could come back then. Maybe this team if let's say they're like six and seven with eight playoff teams. Maybe they could get in nine and seven and if you put caro- on the team there was there this week with that the team that could potentially make its way to the super bowl and think it would be an extreme long shot. I'm not sure they could beat a chief team. But there's no guaranteed the chiefs. The super bowl to begin with. I think that if you put a competent quarterback which i know tough on garoppolo and both of us are in the boat of finding a different quarterback in the offseason drafting specifically. But he's not terrible quarterback he's an above average quarterback. We're just both in the boat of it he he's decent but you can find upgrades and you need to because you can't really win long term with a decent quarterback in the nfl and don't forget the cardinals loss to the patriots today. Like i was watching that. I don't care about the draft. Pick right like all these fans that are like. Oh we have to lose out like the losing will take care of itself. What they're gonna lose more games this season. Why not root for a win. I wanna see my team win. There's a million things you and i did a whole podcast episode. Eleven about all the different things. They could do a quarterback. There's a million different things. They could trade. For sam darnold they could they could trade for dak prescott. They could trade for aaron. There's a zillion things right. They could give up the twenty twenty two twenty twenty three first round draft picks. We don't know what they can do what. I'm just automatically saying that. The only way that they can get a quarterback if they lose out the rest of the way this year like. I'm just not going to do it. Especially since the way we got our starter now with a random that we had. No idea was even happening like don't do that. Don't just wish away the rest of this season. I know it's a long shot. They make the playoffs. I get it i know. It's a long shot. Even if they make the playoffs that they do anything in it. But you know what those sometimes of the most years twenty eleven was a really fun year because out of nowhere the forty niners went thirteen and three and it was like holy crap and they got into that playoff game against the saints and totally blew. Everybody's mind like forget the draft pick. It's not even december yet like let's just win some games and see what happens right like so. Look at the remainder the schedule i mean. The niners had gone linton middle section of their schedule while they're almost out of that now and the gun line isn't as tough as a looked early in the season. I mean yeah next up. They're playing monday night against the bills. The bills are still a really good team. There are running quarterback which is the bane of the niners defense. But they don't have that tough schedule. I mean the cowboys after that. So let's say they can beat the cowboys. Let's say they beat washington and they have arizona in the final week. So if you give them those three wins which yes those giving any team a win against. Anybody is to be taken with a grain of salt but if they get those three wins. That's eight wins on the season. That means they need to win. I'm guessing need to win either. The bills game or the seahawks game to get denying seven which probably gets them in the playoffs like that. That's not that tall of a task. Especially if you get garoppolo back. I can't remember what the first game back. he's eligible to come back for. I can't remember right now at the top of my head. But like yeah. Let's see what happens if yeah it's crazy. They could lose out on their own but like they could win out to we. We have no idea. I mean if aaron donald wasn't there wrecking the entire game plan today. The forty niners might have looked a lot better on offense. And guess what we're all done. Playing aaron donald. So you know let's just say like i'm i'm not in the lose lose especially for for who for kyle wilson from. Byu like who else. Kyle wilson annoyed if we're talking about trevor lawrence. Okay but you know. Who are we talking about trae lance like he's exciting but like who the hell knows i. Gimme the winds man. Give me the winds. I'm just going to enjoy this. I don't know what's gonna happen the rest of the season. Nobody knows what's going to. They didn't even know where they're going to practice. Which we're going to get into but like can we just enjoy a win and not have a frigging sour puss on our face because our draft picks going to be worse. Gimme a break agreed. The season's not over which is kind of shocking. Because they're five and six and they got so many injuries. But i mean look look on the bright side. Looking on the bright side is they. Don't get to plan at home anymore while the niners are four and two on the road. So that's actually probably a good thing. That's a good point. I never off on there and you know what they know how to go to youngstown and hang out and still have success like they are kind of prepared for this. So why don't we. We'll do this. We'll take a break and then we'll get into what happened to the forty niners and what's going to happen going forward because pretty much anything is up in the air and there's a lot of interesting possibilities that we're gonna talk about so we'll do that after the break it's jc penney here back with our best. Cyber days deals and steals available now in store or online deck the halls and bringing the savings with sixty percents off. Jc penney home bedding and bath like flannel sheets. Origin cotton towels. Get your kitchen. Ready to prepare hard. Winter meals with a cooks granite. Ten piece cookware said or at warmth to couch time with a bit of aford micro plush electric throw plus find stylish thompson sweaters for her from liz claiborne apparel for him shop. Saint john's bay sweaters and levi's collection of classic jeans and sherpa lines jackets. Find all these deals and more at jc penney in store or online plus save even more with an extra thirty five percents off your order. 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That says the team is going to engage with santa clara county to learn more about the order And the league added that it as working with the forty niners and they prepare during the off season for backup plans in the event that they needed to move operations and having a nfl stadium available for game so apparently this is all part of the plan. The forty niners are going to try and work it out with santa clara county. Eleven but right. Now it's possible. The forty niners or going to be houseguests looking more and more likely arizona for the rest of the season you know when when you really think about it because there's been some things out there i mean people have thrown out san diego which i think they're stadiums like half demolished. That doesn't really make sense. People have thrown out the oakland stadium. That's sitting there. I don't know what the state is of the old. Oakland raiders stadium. I don't know what the state of it is. But i don't i mean it could work but i don't see it working just because i don't i don't see san francisco allowing it. You know what i mean. I don't. I don't see that area saying oh. Santa clara doesn't one you sure will bring in all sorts of people to our to our area. You know what i mean like. I don't think any area truly once these games played where they're at because they don't bring fans which means they don't bring the revenue that comes with hosting a game so there's no benefit to allowing it right so that tells me that it's got to i. Would i would be willing to place a bet on. It's another nfl team because there's another logistics here. You can't go to a market that hasn't been dealing with the nfl because the nfl has all these covert rules for hotels. They have hotels lined up well in advance for the players to be in so that they can truly be away from other people and risk getting it from random people that could be in the hotel so if they were to go to somewhere like youngstown and play like youngstown state. 'cause since there's not fans it doesn't really matter the size of the stadium just matters. It has a field. I don't. I don't see that happening because then the nfl has to go to a whole new city government and go. Hey this everything that we require whereas if they just share with like arizona or some other team that's willing to take them they've already got their hotels lined up. They've already dealt with that big logistics part of it. Yeah according to pf t. That's a really good point by there's a whole other side aspect of the. Nfl's probably not going to want to have to deal with a league source. Confirmed pf t that arizona is quote a leading landing spot. If games must be moved but there are number of potential options. I mean we're going gonna to practice to the end. It's not only playing the games. They gotta find somewhere to practise now. The players are going to be away from their families. Because if you if you go. I think more than like one hundred and fifty miles outside of santa clara county. When you come back you have to quarantine for fourteen days which obviously is not going to be possible for the niners play every week. So they're going to be away from their families. Christmas twenty five days away. Basically like that sucks bathing for all the that sucks. There's just no way it. No i did see one interesting practice scenario and they play their games one place but they still practice somewhere near home and one of the places out there where the raiders have their training camp which is up in napa So they're able to stay practicing then they could still be at home and then they just essentially play a road game. Every week they had to fly out on saturday every week. I don't know which one's better. I don't know whether it's better to be away from family which i think does affect you after a while especially this time year but always in the same place and when you play home game it traveling or to be at home with your during the week and then just travel to the game. I don't know which one's better. But i think there are options where they could stay at home to practice and travel for a game you know and it just to me. It makes today's performance especially defensively so much more impressive like there's every reason in the world for the niners to just go in the bag for the rest of this year right for guys to say you know what we've had. A thousand injuries are quarterbacks. Out the guy we got in their socks. Were getting both a back. You the seahawks and rams are miles ahead of us in the division any way. We're you know we're like the eleven seed coming into this game. Get let me just collect my check. Stay healthy let me get back to my family. And just we'll we'll go get him in twenty twenty one. They had every reason in the world to do that and they didn't do that. They came out there today and they played their does off. And that's such a credit to the coaching staff to robert solid to cow shannon and to those players because it could very easily have gone the other way. Yeah i mean credit to them. I think a majority of the fan base probably has thrown in the towel or at least did for this game. I mean it's hard to get a true representation of the fan base 'cause Newsflash twitter is not an actual true representation of the entire fan base. Twitter is definitely much more thrown in the bag. I think from what i've seen at least in the interactions. I've seen but that's not the entire base it the season's over i mean that is the number one takeaway from this game. The season's not over not yet. The movie major league duh. When jake taylor. The catcher is in the locker room and they find out that the owner wants to them to intentionally lose in move the team and he says well. I guess there's just one thing left to do. Everybody looks at him. Win the whole thing and the whole locker room goes nuts. So who who's going to be the lady that they take a little piece off after each win every time we win a section. I can't do we. Brown voice but Yeah i don't know. I have no idea who that would be but It's it's going to be wild man. I really have no idea what's going to happen the rest of the season. Here's kyle shanahan after the game on the next steps for the forty niners quote. I'm not sure we're working our tails off to figure it out. You guys want to know answer so do our wives like that's how crazy it is. Nobody knows what's going to happen. I don't even think the nfl knows at this point. That's crazy kyle. Shan sounded just like you in that. He's now you suggesting. I should find the audio and put it in the podcast. No i'm just that's the type of mood. You're in a good mood. 'cause the forty niners one. You're not throwing the challenge flag that you're not conflicted. You're happy you know i will say this. The more i talk it out in this podcast. It's almost like therapy doing these instant reactions. Like talking and as i bounce things off of you you bounce things off me. I started to come to true full conclusion. On what i just witnessed and the more i talk the more ago holy crap. We could still do it. It's still possible. I don't think it's likely. But i least have a glimmer of hope. I got the little twinkle that yet they might be able to stay afloat enough to get garoppolo back and then really be a team. Good enough even without kittle. Still be good enough to potentially win the nfc. Which i don't think is as tall task was last year. Did they put ken on season ending. I are though. I thought they did. But these are things that i never normally. I would know this right away. Because it'd be something i want to know but i kind of assumed. The season was over so right matt so the niners are the ten seed in the nfc right now the they gotta get up to seven as it stands right now to make the playoffs but if the nfl has cancelled a week which they seem intent on never doing but if the nfl did after add an extra week they would automatically add an eighth playoff team in each conference. So the forty niners would have even less distance to go but the niners are tenth right. Now they're five and six. They're tied with minnesota. Who won today almost lost today. They got to win over the panthers. The bears are the. I think the bears are going to drop like a rock mitchell. Trubisky their starting quarterback right. Now they got. I mean they're in just as bad a shape as the forty niners. I don't expect them to hold onto that spot and arizona loss today like we said to the patriots so there at six and five right now and they're in the seven spot like it's a long shot but it's possible i see the light at the end of the tunnel and if they do it with no home based practice in and no home stadium to play their games in like it would be one of the most incredible runs. We've seen nfl history. Yeah that's certainly true. I did just look it up to make sure so that we're not sending like idiots here. Neither one were put on season ending. I are from the looks of it. Because kyle shanahan was quoted at the time saying garoppolo is afforded six week window whereas kiddo is more likely eight weeks or more so if kittle were to return to. It'd be playoffs at best most likely but that does mean that we are not. We've now played three games plus a bye week without jimmy so jimmy could be back. I mean if it was four weeks. It'd be back this week but considering we've heard nothing Guessing that's not happening. Which means i would bet. Cowboys or seahawks is when he returns. Can you imagine if he comes back before the seahawks game and the forty niners need a win and garoppolo rallies the team to a win and plays well against the division rival. Seok team who by the way may have. Everything's sewn up by that point by their schedules cake. The rest of the way. They may be have nothing to play for. Jimmy comes in and gets that win in the nine sneak into the playoffs. Like how they getting rid of a mattress season. You know. i don't know how they're going to get rid of him. It's certainly possible to get rid of them. I don't wanna put that out there. But there's been some quotes from players like mcglinchey quote. You know talking about how they are pretty much fully behind. Jimmy like the team believes in jimmy and the players are see. Jimmy has their leader. That's a tough sell. I mean it's hard to go to a super bowl and then get rid of the quarterback when it's mostly due to injury and jimmy did not look good prior to injury but it never really got a chance either. It's weird like if they move on from jimmy. There is an aspect of this that kyle's going to have some people that don't agree with it in that locker room. Yeah book day. It was one thing if you could move on from jimmy and get tom brady right like who's going to question that the ultimate later the greatest quarterback of all time we got a super bowl. Ross yeah we're doing it But like you said if you get rid of jimmy garoppolo. Four kyle wilson. If you somehow were able to get him or even sam. Darnold like yeah. There are going to be big time locker room questions for sure. Especially if they don't get you know off to a fast start next year but we're we're jumping ahead many many steps year for sure but i mean the roller coaster of this season has been absolutely incredible. Like i was so high coming into the season. They lose week one player. Start to get hurt. Your down in the dumps. Now they win a couple of games and you're like hey maybe we're pretty good. Then they start loose the miami in philadelphia. I'm down in the dumps again. I didn't really expect anything coming into this rams game now they win. And i'm like you know what i at least have to be interested the rest of the way and if you had told me that they were going to have all these injuries and all these cova always guys going on covid list and at the end of november you had a reason to be interested to watch the forty niners. I would've taken it in a heartbeat. You know it's a weird. I will say that there is one thing that is for sure pretty much happening at this point and we need to decide on something because you are almost definitely losing that bad about somebody getting a thousand yards now. Yeah i equals the only guy that really had a chance and he's didn't play so i mean you'd have to have an amazing finish in medieval back. Don't see that happening and most are really. Let me down you really the thousand yard season only sixty yards a game. It's not that much. I thought i was a shoo in. Kibera kid will still leads the team in receiving man while here. I hate to break it to you. Eleven but good luck. Getting me to agree to anything on a bed. I'm almost guaranteed lose. Actually you know what your wrong nick. Mullins has over thousand yards passing. Good yeah yeah. 'cause that counts and and it has been a week. Let me tell you for me. Personally it has been a week. I take my daughter the emergency room like right after we finished the podcast last week. My eight month old daughter it was. It has been a week okay. I'm exhausted but you know what everything is good with my daughter and everything's good in my world because the forty niners have one and i. I'm just going to enjoy it. I know i don't know what happens next. But like for for twenty four hours. I'm good so i can do whatever i want. And you're good data boss. It said you can do anything once. He was totally right. That is definitely true. You can do anything once any a lot of things. You can only do want yup that that well. That's not true. You can't do anything once because there's no way at all that Molins gonna throw for like four hundred yards in a game. I think yeah no way not this year. I wasn't really thinking per previous games. But you know there's things that certain people are just not capable of. But i'm being my overly literal self here. I believe the phrase. You're searching for his pain. In the yes i i can do. I can do everything. I i'm never running unloving. Second one hundred yard dash like doesn't ever happen. Yeah that'd be impressive. I mean you could put donuts at the end of the finish line. I'm not getting their time. All right let me ask you two questions before we leave one. Do the forty niners finished with a better record than the cardinals. I'd have to look at the cardinals remaining schedule. But my initial reaction to that is no arizona. Has the rams next week then. The giants the eagles the niners and the rams again. I'll say no. They might tie. But i do not i see the cardinals getting at least two wins there which gives them. What eight on the season. I think it's a long shot for the niners to tonight so the cardinals are six and five. I'm not mistaken tall task for this team to make up a game. Like i think they could easily by they can make up one game. I don't see them being able to win two games. Yeah the cardinals are six and five the niners of five and six all right. Do you think the forty niners make the playoffs. No like we just said it's possible but anybody saying if they were forced to pick right now anybody saying yes they make the playoffs means they have to think it's a better than fifty fifty shot. It's not so. I have to say no to rams. Beat the cardinals. Next week cardinals. It'd be six and six. The niners chance that like there is so many crazy things that could happen. I my head is trying to think of the niners i. I'm kinda nervous. Let's put it that way for the game against the bills. Because josh allen is not the type of quarterback the niners do well against but at the same time the defense has been on a different level. The last handful of weeks. They've been better this year and as good as josh allen his running. He's not a runner in the mold of a kyla. Murray or even a russell wilson. He's not necessarily elusive. He's just fast enough and big. You know he's a cam newton. He's not a guy that's gonna make you miss. Yeah and he's going to give you a chance to turn the ball over. He's kind of reckless with the ball at time. So it's a. I've been worried about that game. Because i think sean mcdermott. He's a really good coach I feel a little better about it now than when they're playing earlier in the year. Josh allen was on fire but Yeah well let's go. Let's see what happened. That's why they play the games as they like to say. It's going to be fun. So buckle in enjoy the holiday season enjoy the fact that you're going to have relevant football at least for another week you're going to have relevant football as a forty nine years fat Please rate review and subscribe to the niners nation podcast network. By the way you'll get this show you'll get all our great shows nine or nate's going to be all fired up. He's he's texting me that he's rooting against the team. And then when they win he says oh forget it. Let's win the rest of the games then and go to the play offs like he's all over the map. He's fired up. You're gonna get his show. You'll get the shanta plan which i'm sure we'll have a breakdown of what we saw today and really get into the nuts and bolts of winick mon stinks and why does defense is fantastic. And then some other show on thursday. Some two guys. We'll be back to do another show unless you're gonna bail on me. Anybody bailed. it'd be you. Hey i did this show. I same night. My daughter went to the emergency room. Okay i don't bail might be true but we all know who the talent is on the show so the guy didn't even know if you happier in. Gimme a break got to make it interesting. That's what talent does all right. That's where we're ending this one for for the talent i'm rob stats guerrero. Go niners enjoyed everybody.

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The Natural

Fantasy Focus Baseball

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The Natural

"You're listening to the fantasy focus. Baby SPALL podcast. God what is the that like? Does that the song good? Isn't that SAR I? This is the fantasy focus baseball. Podcast GONNA give myself ten seconds to figure it out. Thursday is yes. That's how much I missed the mark. You're supposed to be doing there. You make me feel like a natural woman I do. That's the name of it at least have that effect on people. Thursday may seven twenty twenty. It's going to be one of those shows. That's Christened Cockroach. He sings dances. Wins FANCY WEEKS KYLE? Soppe Produces our show America someone at a host than you heard June Louis. There the awesome excellent. Espn staff writer. Who is joining us again? Today as it's another Thursday so it's another movie day. June thanks for joining us. These guys well you said before the show is the highlight of your day. And I couldn't tell if you were being facetious or not so please explain. I'd like to know my dake. Right now. Consists of waking up drinking a glass of water than sitting in front of my computer for six to seven hours so talking to other people right now just generally even if it's over video chat and broadcast on a podcast is a lot more fun than you know getting getting my ice strain from staring a word doc. In exactly like because it's us that you're happy and it's the highlight of your day. This is this is better than the existential dread of having to write basically okay. We're right at the bottom there but a little bit odd. But like the highland day could be when the mailman McMahon comes to the package from Amazon. That is the highlight of my day. That'd be better than this show depends on what the packages okay. Well we're delivering talk about the natural today last week. It was Major League awesome movie. They not the naturals in Austin movie to Robert Redford. It's a classic. We're going to discuss that but as always we start off with a little bit Trivia Interesting. I got nothing of course hanging wars that we might know. Let's get truly law. I've got some trivial. Let's get trivia all right. I'm a little bit theme towards the natural hair so I would like and this is just general baseball knowledge. June Eric Kyle. You should all be able to get some guesses in here. We'll get this at the end of the movie talk but can you name the only two players to win the rookie of the Year award at the age of thirty or older so we want the older rookies of the year. There were two of them. Can you name the two who wanted after the age of thirty? I think I know one of them. I don't know if he won. It was around for the. You're thinking of a guy who sold but I don't know if he won the rookie. I don't know if they hadn't worked with the high. We're GONNA get there. We'll get there all right. So let's talk about the natural which is a terrific movie nineteen eighty-four and drew star with you. Because you're the movie expert here digit. Obviously you liked. It was on your list of likes Why do you like the natural so much? So the natural is like everything. I want out of a sports movie that it aware that. It's like an old really idealistic. You know even corny thing because most sports movies is is is that they are corny but they don't acknowledge the fact that they're corny natural really leans into the fact that it has this like quality to it from the Muse. The Randy Newman score. And then it's just the thing the thing that was when I was watching it last night with a as as as as an adult for the first time was seeing how old Robert Redford. It is because as a kid you watch the movie. And you can't really differentiate how old someone should be given a role because you're a child and then I watched the movie last night was like this guy. Looks like at least ten years too old to be a baseball player at this point but regardless like the the whole fable quality of the story I is is the fact that it leans into that the way the the music emphasizes that I think the right moments and then you have the star power. You Have Redford you have Robert Volume Glenn close if can basing the. I think there's a lot of reasons why this movie ends up holding the test of time. Not when I was when when when Roy Hobbs. It's the home at the end. You know I feel like people have compared to the Kirk Gibson. Moment at many points in history right when people talk about now and I think that natural that ending represents what we internally feel like that ending should be like right and we project that kind of image onto Kirk Gibson's home and sports is that lead into just know the sentimental stuff and I think this this movie hits the notes and all the right ways that I think most sports movies have a hard time doing Tristan. Worcester take so. It's Corny but cool. What do you agree with that? I I suppose it is corny. I didn't feel it was when I watched it. I remember seeing a little bit closer to when it was actually released and I feel like it's advantage besides the score. Randy Newman score makes the movie. I mean that's what carries it even today. You think of it that way. I still remember when I was getting into the baseball video games. I think it was MLB TO K. Use The score from this for their game which describes how recognizable it is. I mean dude instantly know it but I think for me the fact that it came out in the eighties gave it the advantage of production values from a movie standpoint while also giving you a historic look at the game itself a lot of the disadvantages of the older movies that came out in the black and white era or they didn't quite the cinematography they did for this one but this is they got two stadiums from Buffalo. That looked old time they were able to kind of fake Wrigley Field. A little bit. So you've really felt like you were there in the old style baseball. That was the part that I really loved. It felt like it was real to me as absurd as the plot might be. Yeah I think that's fair. I mean. Obviously we've got three categories here. Artistically was actually good movie. I think we all agree that it is technically as baseball. Movie was a believable well. Some of it is believable. I mean but the things that were not believable. Were Kinda cool. You know like I thought like hitting the like the cover off the baseball. That's cool hitting the lights. In the right field stands. That's that's cool. The lightning the bat being named the way made the bat. I probably have a little bit of a different take. Care Bye Redford was forty eight years old when he made the movie. So yeah. He's a Pages Ish I would say but personally for me. Okay this is gonNA sound odd but as a phillies fan. I actually knew when the movie came out I knew part of it was based on. I had not read the book I've since read Bernard Malamud book is fantastic writer but his book is a Downer. The movie is one case. Where the movie is I? Think better than the book The other thing is the shooting. That happens I know what that was when I was a kid. I read about it because it was a philly eddie weakest. Who Was it arranged? So he was on the cubs first baseman for the cubs and there was a deranged. A Lady Fan. Who loved him and then he got traded to the phillies in nineteen forty nine and she stalked him. Went TO HOTEL. Went to his room and shot him he lived and then he came back he was a leadoff hitter for the nineteen fifty phillies Whiz. Kids scored one hundred two runs so I kind of knew that back story. This movie takes like all these different historical things in baseball puts them together which I loved as a kid maybe not as much. I think I loved it more this movie more when I was younger than I do now. That does other baseball movies. That are maybe more realistic But it is a cool movie corny but cool I think is a good way to put it and I think the third category here is does the movie. Stand the test of time Yeah I think it does stand the test of time it. It's not a movie. You Change Your mind about that much is it. No I would say that my opinion on this movie has stayed pretty consistent like you. I feel like you understand the story bill for me. I watched this when I was really young kid growing up. This was like one of the first baseball movies that I watch. And so you know you get you get the sense of the store you really feel the story as little can you kind of understand what the plot replied in. What's happening better as you get older but you? I think one of the things that really helps this movie stand. The test of time. That Robert Redford is obviously a movie icon and the main romantic lead in the movies close. Who is for main to an iconic actress to this day and then obviously there any new like we keep going back to the score. The Randy Newman score. I mean Randy. Newman is a total legend. Obviously in the movie industry in just setting the tone for so many great movies and I think that this is for me one of the most memorable scores in terms of just being able to take a story and kind of elevated to the next level and really take something making more special. I think I'd like to go back to Eric's point about the fact that this changes the actual novel. I saw this movie before. I read the book as well. And I'll be honest with you. I still have not been able to read the book knowing what happened at the end of that. One a spoiler alert. It is true Downer as Eric described and I know that many critics of this movie bring that up as a real problem with it and the end is what they changed truly absurd especially if you put it in the context of the movies that came out after that the great winning above all odds ending of that movie for some reason this one time. It didn't bother me. I agree with Eric I. I liked the fact that they ended it this way and knowing what happened in the book. I have an issue with that. But what do you think I mean? I am not even thinking of the book right now. 'cause I to me it's just it doesn't come close but one of the interesting things to me about the movies. The lack of Lake quotes that we talk about forever like in Major League. We talked about last week. There's so many interesting characters. With interesting memorable quotes. I can't think of a memorable quote that I use from. The natural is interesting characters. But like pick me out a winner bobby on the on the bat after breaks his bad like. I'm trying to think of something that junior remember. Any quotes the natural. You think. Yeah I use that in my regular life. I can't think of admittedly I've never been someone who retains like movie quotes particularly. Well I feel like the natural is one of those movies. That's more of like a vibes movie than it is like a super well. Rin LIKE SUPER MEMORABLE SHARP. Well Rinse scripted. I feel like the the natural is like a big warm hug in terms of being a baseball fan. You know like I really point. That Tristan brought up that. This is the one baseball movie where I feel like. It's okay to have that overly sentimental extremely corny ending because it earns it to a certain degree in its storytelling. But I don't want that ending for most any other sports movie because we got it with the natural you know like I think that's why I feel like the natural is kind of the beginning of kind of hard to look at films individually because everything kind of comes within its own context right like one one phone kind of builds after the other and you have to have a movie. The natural and the one thousand nine hundred s where that establishes a baseline. Hey you can make a good baseball movie for. You can have a movie like sugar that came out in the two thousands. I think the only quote that comes to mind for me as Eric said there aren't many was the Pete and repeat on the train earlier. The movie I for some reason. That's the first thing that comes to mind. A lot of the baseball stuff doesn't strike me but I don't think the movie was made to be quotable whereas a lot of the stuff that came out in the late eighties and the nineties was made pretty much to be quotable or to to clip the little scenes. I think that was just an era in movie making after that that became Kinda hip. It's also hard to compare major league in the natural in that regard because the natural the Major League is a comedy movie and like it's natural for Merch to come off of Comedy Movies Right. Like we've Seen Anchorman. Merck for fifteen years after that movie came out like that's did the nature of comedy movie Culture Right. The natural is a different type of movie. It was nominated for four Academy Awards when it came out. It's just like they're they're both. They both have their own place in like the baseball movie universe right but they're also trying to very very different things. It almost that movie had to have actors. We know you know this movie. The natural like Redford who has been fantastic. Khurana lease fifty years and Duval and close the base near Wilfred grimly the manager. What a terrific role. He has there as well. It's almost like yeah. It had to be Character to who have earned their praises through the years and won awards. You couldn't have had it. Not that you know Charlie Sheen is not that well is it? It's you're right. It's different like in order for this movie to be respected. It had to be terrific actors and actresses that have been at are famous as opposed to donate people. I think this movie is extremely hard to pull off successfully because you have a really corny ending and unless you pull all of those strings right in the just the movie making process having the right actors. They're having a good script. They're ending the story together. Having all those things actually work together to pull it off. You know if you have a bunch of no name actors in this movie. It's a totally different movie. Because REDFORD BRINGS THE GRAVITAS into Roy. Hobbs you have the history of Robert. Redford like those those things to kind of come hand in hand and this is you know. I kind go When I was reading up the movie last night one of the main comparisons that come up with the naturals King Arthur and this is very much a fable like tail and I feel like Rob Rob Bradford just given his track record in the movie industry just being as status as a legend has leading has grown since then has the gravitas to pull off a King Arthur type character. That has a you know an overly sentimental but wonderful corny ending. I liked that angle to bring up the fact that the actors do make it. I bring up a Lotta Times with other movies. Even non-sports ones that. I need to have somebody. I can sympathize with the movie if everybody is a despicable character. I very often can't get behind the movie. And this case especially Robert Redford and that lead role you definitely root for him and when we think about the fact that they changed that ending here. Here's a really tough time throughout the script of this. I mean all the odds are stacked against him so to twist at the other direction and have them enjoy success at the ending. It seems Kinda right. You've been rooting for the guy. The entirety of the time. It's a pretty big. If you're rooting for Roy Hobbs. His character arc is pretty depressing for like a good portion of movie. Oh Yeah Oh yeah. Yeah and I couldn't understand why when I was playing little league that I couldn't hit a base. I was eleven here. Why couldn't I hit a baseball out over the lights? I didn't never understood why that was not happening. I was trying so hard and you know I couldn't grow my own bat. The way he did like I I was. I was unhappy with that. But the movie and admitted you guys made your own bats. When you're little league right sure. Yeah you know wrapped it up the lightning I I do recall this though as longtime reader via span of course our company man that I think it was Bill Simmons maybe it was page two or something or maybe it was before that trying to figure out what numbers he put up. I was you can't go to baseball reference and look up where Hobbes's numbers on baseball reference all the time now and I think he had like he played like one hundred ten games that year hit forty home runs walks strikeouts lot of home runs. He was a little bit of like Tristan. Like a a three true outcomes player. Hobbs in the forties or fifties. I guess he would be a much different player than he would have been today. There's no speed there you can see that even on his buddy triple but right money triple and not only that you bring up the three two outcomes because it falls into that whole streaking nature remember. He has that lump in the middle of the movie. So yeah it is about right and his blood on his uniform as like the crazy laying at that part. I truly hated that part. That's the one thing that didn't make sense little unnatural for me like on the Pun Pun unintended. But of you bring up the uniforms. It's kind of funny to see how heavy the uniforms look to. They look like they must have been sweating in. Those things. Were very heavy uniforms and they were in Buffalo. I assume not in December either Zanies snow Yeah the blood. Like why is he out there? Playing there's blood going through is just you know truck through through the uniform. Catcher critics. Say Time out like this is sums raw. Renew trainer to come out the catch. Catch you just kind of looks and says oh well yeah we see that every day normal tie. Cobb spiked okay. Well I don't know what else we can do the talking about this movie. Any final thoughts here gentlemen. Obviously there's times where I want to see. A comedy like Major League is times where I wanNA see something realistic. And there's Times where I just WanNa feel good. I guess at the end like the natural. It doesn't have to be realistic or funny. So there's very different movies from me when I see it on TV. Sometimes I WANNA see it. Sometimes I don't this is a really good Like turn on cable and just leave it on in the background type of movie and I've seen it more often than I. At least I believe any other baseball movie ever made. And it's for that reason. I almost always have something on the background. If there's no active game usually the natural on somewhere air in his right now. That's that's good stuff there. I thought that's all for for that. And I hope will be back next Thursday to talk about another baseball movie. I guess we don't know what it is yet. Who MAKES THESE DECISIONS? And and could you give us an overall because people were asking me. Why now is as part of a bigger thing and I don't really have the answer to that so you run for the baseball group. Is there like a list of the best baseball movies and is going to continue for a long time? Did you write about this movie? Seem like summer. What's is there like a bigger picture here for the movies. I think there was an article that came out a couple of weeks ago about ranking some of the most underrated baseball movies and that included documentaries. You'll think baseball content. That people hadn't seen so I think it kind of stemmed off of that but like from my understanding I got a slack message one day Valley said. Hey do you want to do a baseball movie? Podcast thing and I was like I love baseball movies. So that sounds good to me by the way so I said on Monday show. I'm sure you're listening June. That documentaries are my thing whether it's baseball or anything else. And so people told me to watch this documentary on Netflix. It's called the battered bastards of baseball And I didn't know any of this stuff Kurt Russell. The famous actor is father. Also a famous actor and being Russell like he created an independent. League team in Portland Oregon. And there's some great characters there and it's a really cool documentary which I enjoyed and I would recommend. It's everybody out there. I I found on Netflix. But thanks for the people on twitter pointed out to me and I'm trying to think what my next documentary wasn't a baseball one. It was about the Russian hockey players. I'll watch that. I'll watch almost any well done documentary. And of course the Michael Jordan thing every Sunday night is fantastic usually. Dvr these things are watching. I'm watching this live people the Michael Jordan documentary it's called. Alas stance that thing on Sunday on ESPN. And I must say because it's a newspaper. Be on any channel. It is fantastic. I've been watching that June. Yeah it's been awesome. It's it's been. I think something that I thought about largest just with the Jordan. Lebron debate constantly. Is that a lot of people my age. Don't know or haven't seen kind of the whole chronology of Jordan laid out. I think actually have that discussion in like a fruitful way. And so I'm very curious to see how this documentary shapes the perception and shapes the discussion around your versa. Lebron because I think at least a lot more people are going to be significantly more informed on Jordan's legacy now than they happened in the past. I think it's fair all right so let's move on from the movies now. An answer the Trivia Question. Kristen remind everybody was only but that minutes ago but the Trivia question a little natural themed. We're going with the older rookies. Can you name the two players to win the rookie of the Year award at the age of thirty or older I do? Have I suppose a helpful hint if you need it but you could guess I if you like it there I have no idea? I mean I'm trying to think like I- SATCHEL page never one year here. Here's your hand. I'm GonNa give you a little director Joe. Charleena wasn't thirty. One was a hitter was a pitcher and they won the awards exactly fifty years apart. Giro's too young right correct. He wasn't thirty not a bad idea though. Yeah I think of like the right track part. Oh I know I know one. Okay I know each rose teammate. Kozaki Kasasaki did win thousand correct. You wanted at the age of thirty. He was thirty three. I believe that was all right. So we gotTA SASAKI wanted you said in two thousand so it's got to be nineteen. Fifty guesses is here. I have this here this is. This is the tough one you'd have to know. This is a Negro League player. Who had come over to mlb and then won the award after that so and there were a lot of players who fit the qualifications. Rookie there. This player actually wanted. Larry Larry Doby No I wasn't Jackie Robinson. I don't know the answer. It's SAM JETHRO in Nineteen Fifty San battle the leader of Christmas fantasy team. That you're no I I don't come on yes. She was thirty three at the time. Sasaki Thirtieth Sake the Japanese player that just just to just from like a from a math sampling. But Yeah I didn't I didn't realize SASAKI SHOULD'VE GOTTEN SANDRA THROW. I'm looking at it now. Look good season but what's interesting about. The Japanese players who come over. Is that a lot of times. The voters go out of their way not to elect the player and it was. It was on Hill Barreau. I think who wanted over a decade Matsui. Three honestly as I'm getting older I'm in the organization. Okay boy that most people like everybody's got agenda like you're seeing some ridiculous voting. I think it's better now because it's younger people that are voting but are you in the BWIA. W Yeah. I've I've never voted for anything. I. I don't think it's a gift for awhile like ten years. Ten years the hall of fame. I just finished up my second season or would have been my third season while there's going to be a season apparently because there was breaking news. I last night but I think back in the day when I look at some of the award winners I say every show. Their ridiculous people didn't like this guy or in the media like gum and an Japanese players. You know they don't deserve it. It's just It's a shame but I think now the voting is a lot better and yes. I can't wait to actually vote. I think you're a better chance than I do too old soon. but Hopefully both get Hall of Fame A-rod so yeah that'll be definitely a fascinating discussion to have it'll be on the ballot for both those. Anyway Julie. You'RE AWESOME. Thank you so much. Check out his fine work at ESPN'S MLB coverage. Hopefully we'll have you on next Thursday in every Thursday to talk about awesome movies in baseball. Thank you thank you guys. Thanks June journey hashbrowns on tap for today you can reach me. Kyle Soppe Espn on twitter. WanNa get your questions in and on the show first up is Matt. Alex Rodrigo said that he was one hundred percent healthy the other day role in value. Do you think that holds assuming full help this and this is a good player a good young player and the only concern. I really have about them is health. I was a back injury. We knew about this back in the spring before any of this stuff happened but he hit for the dodgers last year. That's an eight Seventeen O. Ps little bit of Pop. A little bit of speed. I think you gave them a full season in twenty twenty one. He might even be there. Leadoff hitter he might be better than Andrew. Benintendi at getting on base at hitting for power He's the right field right now. I don't want it like Benintendi was a little disappointing last season so if do health he might even be there. Leadoff hitter this season trysts in in a eighty game season. I think if you gave them a hundred and fifty games and six hundred. Pa's twenty twenty to twenty five home runs ten to twelve steals. He might bat three hundred two. This is a good player. Can I just say what he said? Benintendi was the very first thing that came to mind as contrasting the two within the same outfield. And if you look at their numbers last season's returns at least to support this to sixty six average here for Andrew Benintendi last year to three forty three to forty. Excuse me four thirty one. Vertigos were to ninety four. Three two and seven forty seven. Forty five four seventy five. He was clearly a better player. These they hit almost the same number of homers and for Dougal played less. I think he plays practically every day if he is truly healthy for the red sox and that's going to give them a good chance at giving you a strong return on your investment. He's going to go a lot later than Benintendi and drafts. Maybe he could elevate himself to one of the top two spots in the lineup. In fact if things go well you know like we don't rank for Nougat well or at all because of the injury and you've got a number to thirty four with usually if that's not even in this that's the dynasty. I where do you have a follow this along? Are you MS number? Sixty two outfielder right. So that's draftable. Obviously but not somebody you have to draft and we've got Benintendi ranks considerably better and I wonder. At what point are WE GOING TO GET TIRED OF WAITING? Kind of gratitude. He's old he's not even twenty seven yet right. But at what point We GonNa say maybe Benintendi is not all that I so so this question is not about Benintendi but we basically think for go is going to be maybe better than Benintendi and might lead off for this team. That's significant why are we ranking Benintendi in our top hundred Rodrigo to fifty? Yeah and I think a lot of it's going back to just what? The Scouts said about Benintendi at the time that he debuted. He'll turn twenty-six and exactly sixty days from right now for two-goal is only twenty three years old and he's GonNa turn twenty four in eight days from right now so we're talking to a clear year difference between these two players. You're right we probably ship narrow it a little bit and if when we get the plan as to what the season is when spring training is starting if on day one of that new spring training for do go is ready to go one hundred percent. We see him inactive games. I think we're GONNA have to move them up substantially on the draft boards because our ranking did take in the prospect that he would miss a good chunk of time at the beginning of the year. It doesn't look like that's the case anymore. The the lineup here on Fan Grass roster resource has Benintendi Devers. Bogart's top three for batting seven after Chavez the second basement so I think lineup is going to be a big key in deciding which of these players are more valuable but again the better value is not that attending next December wants to know of Andrew Within Simmons. Was the right answer the question we talked about Monday with a comparison for Nick Magic rose immediate value. Thinking about that I mean it. We talked about Nick Mattielo. And if you haven't listened to Monday show I'm sure somewhere where you can find it. Go ahead and listen to it. But Simmons has hit double digit homers before and he has stolen double basis at least three or four seasons in a row. Big Contact Guide doesn't strike out a lot. That's who I was thinking because when you think Andrew symonds you think is a gold glove fielder and I don't think matter goes that and even offensively I just yeah I mean. I don't even know matters hitting ten home runs. That's the other thing I do comps. It's it's hard for me to ignore some of this other stuff. I just to me mad at medical real little guys like size. Five seven fifty something and I just don't see any power here at all. I I think the best chance relevance if he leads off of the White Sox has to win the job which he should do Now I I'm trying to. It's almost like an batting average. Gerard dyson or it's gotta be somebody like I can't sounds like peak. Aircar bailers's comparison. That's what we're looking for. Well it's actually Eric's point about the size is remarkable. He is a full seven inches shorter. Thirty pounds lighter than Andrew Jackson Simmons I mean very tiny player. And you're right Simmons. The first thing I think of as platinum glove candidate I mean best defender in the League. A candidate for that honor each and every year. I will say that the interesting part of this cop is that Simmons developed power after he got to the major leagues. That was not something that was expected to the level. He's done it so maybe medical could do that. But also Simmons does the size advantage there and I don't know that the contact is even quite comparable here. I think is going more drives at a leak. Contact even beyond the level of Simmons. But it's not the thing I hate to do. Assume that matter you'll never developed power like twenty three years old he he could develop some semblance of it so I hate to say he'll never develop even like ten power. He could do that with this baseball. Anybody can do it. I want to say see we. We mentioned Joya second base same kind of build it just Ended up hitting for power. I didn't think pejorative wooded for power when he first came up did you. I think that's one difference there so I just don't want to assume that he'll never develop any power I just can't find a reasonable comp. Yes so interestingly enough when we mentioned the size the first thing I think about is cody develop power so I entered in quickly players of sixty seven inches or shorter which be five seven or shorter and home runs. Only one player has ever hit. Forty home runs at that size. Five seven at five seven or shorter only one players ever hit more than forty homers and in fact he has the top two spots. Hack Wilson with the fifty six thirty nine after that to Basnet with thirty one. It's not common for a guy of this size to hit even twenty five homers. It's only got it. I got the COMP. Who is it? I got the COP and Dave feel the our friend and ESPN MLB writer. Be Very pleased here because he had this guy in our sin we played in a diamond. Same in the seventies and Not Not we weren't in the seventies. The same was in the seventies. Freddie pot back the the old rural shortstop on like five hundred. Five one fifty He was a contact guy. He stole a lot of basis. He had no power. If forty home runs fifteen seasons magritte always a better batting average option than polytech. Hit like to fifty. But that's the that's the COMP for somebody who loves nineteen seventy late seventies baseball on eighties which I do. That's it's ready tech. I think she'll feel great all right. Thank APOTEX but I like the COMP. I agree with you up the rates a little bit but it could be a very similar type right. This is like back in the seventies like little shortstop second baseman had no power. They just tried to make contact. They bolted a lot. Now it's different matter vocals win a batting title. I don't WanNa say that these exactly project but he's GonNa hit five home runs a year and seal twenties. That's good that's a good place. Still be a good player. Only players that size ever even twenty homers. Hack Wilson. Jose altuve eight Jimmy Rollins Yogi Berra Joe Morgan. And and they all had. Our efforts are the only ones at that size of did it so it can be done but look if it's twelve overruns unhappy. Our next question comes from. John Wants to know which post hype. Prospect your most excited about moving forward between honeywell. Alex Rodriguez S well not to be negative but none I think it's honeywell because I still think there's something there. He's coming back from Tommy John. Which is a normal surgery right So I think he's the only one I haven't written off. I know that's unfair. Guys were young. Alex raise the cardinal pitcher one. I don't think he can stay healthy and I. I don't know what his role is going to be. And I tend to avoid. We always say kristen draft skills not role but in the case of Alex. Ross I don't I can't see him being a durable starting pitcher or closer so I like his skills. But there's been too many injuries and Louise Arias. Who just got traded right to the BREWERS I? I think he's going to play second. I can't play second base. Shortstop IS GONNA BE AFTER BEAT OUT GUY. Okay hit Whose NAME ESCAPES. Me Orlando Arsia. Who's bad orients did not hit it. All He's been up a couple of times and he reminds me a Francisco here. I mean you gotTa keep giving them chances. The padres did the head. They finally gave up on orients. I don't think Aureus has any power and I don't think he has any speed. I guess yes some barrier for power in AAA last year. But I can't see orients being somebody. I'M GONNA can't say drafting any of these guys in museums standard In a I guess give it a shot because second short eligible and I guess he could be. Maybe could be a fifteen home. Run Guy on know. Do you like more than I do. I do yes. I like the fit. A LOT IN MILWAUKEE. I'm not ready to cast them aside based on the fact that I believe he's not even twenty three yet. He is twenty two and eleven. Yeah so he's going to turn twenty three years old at the beginning of June. June third Good ballpark very good ballpark for him. In terms of bumping up the power potential so I think there could be a little bit of pop question here comes from Mike. Triplicate covers the sewing. Yes you John. News hearing about the major league conversation on the air. I guess it was last Thursday that he wants to know. Who's the all-star from that team he's guessing Toronto but he needs the opinion of the professionals? Ooh That's the question can't be Serano right because the e clearly couldn't hit off speed stuff. So why would pitchers throw him off streets off and I guess I mean Jake Taylor? The catcher could've had some lake catchers weekday year. It just didn't look like he any power but he could be like that catcher who it's like ten runs about three hundred. I Suppose The Sandy. Alomar year where he made the All star starting lineup batting one. Ninety nine it really. Yes he did. I remember that vividly. I was shocked when I saw that line. Because back then they would show you batting average home runs and RBI in the middle of the game one ninety nine batting average the obvious all star in the movie is is the Ducasse closer for the other team Yankees and hayward the first basement pizza. Yeah was one of the worst winters ever But on the actual Cleveland Club. See One thing to keep in my no. It was one thousand nine hundred eighty nine in one thousand nine hundred nine everybody was chasing home runs and Rbi who was the Indians leader in home runs and RBI. I still think it might have been Roger. Door to third base. I mean we know because Bob Corker said like twenty four homers ninety RBI and battling to eighty as a solid season. Maybe for nineteen eighty nine. That's a that's a decent season I think it would have been. Nobody liked him so they made of an all star and the other is that he wouldn't have gotten on the fan vote so it would have to be selected by somebody else. So it's clearly going to be the statistical leader for the team and eight. But he was. He made millions of a very highly paid player. So you can assume that he used to be an all star. I just like Serranto might have had twenty home runs with money. Hit like to forty because he had no plate discipline. He was striking out on everything speed. So any Harris was strike. Anybody out. did rob deer rob deer make the all star team because it feels very similar. I mean probably Willie mays Hayes because he was stealing all the bases. Yeah probably Willie Mae. Louis Vince. Coleman was probably an all star right. Rob Deer never made an all star team or at least Vince. Coleman did that would be the conscious. I'm sure that Coleman did innate to a rookie year. Mvp votes somehow in eighty seven and he was also eighty eight eighty nine stolen bases. How how is going to sixty two fifty? Four is All Star seasons combined. Five home runs obviously was not run guy to twenty eight and his thirteen year career. He was not a great leverage homers. Stolen bases that's all that mattered back in the eighties. There were some weird things. Career year wins above. Replacement is twelve point five and thirteen seasons. I'M NOT SURPRISED. I'm not surprised. As by the way our friends Schofield's doing some amazing work. Audience will be covered. He did the six great under seasons from the nineteen eighties. That can never happen again. You've got to read that and a couple of them. I would've guessed I guessed like five of that. He he had in the article that Mike. Mark icon There's some Eric Davis. He also has One wild record from each franchise that you might not know about your right by one. That was a good column. Yeah and today ninety players from the nineties with amazing numbers but basically the most ridiculous ninety seasons crazy and wait to get the number one. It's just it's such it's awesome. I agree with them. Coterie Rosa question. The All star. By the way I'll give you the other cop came to mind Gorman. Thomas makes the all star game in nineteen eighty one and then that year. He batted to fifty nine with twenty. One home runs. Look when again when I look at some of the players that have played an awesome game. Who is that Chicago cubs first basement? Who never feel like with a journeyman minor leaguer and then he has a good April and may one year and he makes the all sorts of yes I do. Gosh two thousand one two five era. Gosh what was his name and he was nothing good April that year and all of a sudden they put him in the All Star game. Yeah I'm curious to look this up so you take the even years in the eighties. I'll take the outer bow now. He wasn't eighty two thousands. No was it. Yeah it was more recent. I think it was the guy after Derek Lee at first base. Gosh who was it? I know who exactly you're talking about. Like how did that guy make an all star team might have been a nice fellow but I can't. Yeah that's that's wow. I'm looking through their all stars. They also tablet. I couldn't find their own airport. There who had a final hair. Brian lamb hair. Of course what year was that of. Oh Two is twelve twenty twelve and he hit two fifty nine with sixteen home runs that season. He made the star. Obviously he was doing something in the first half the season. But I say like you say Okay Gorman Thomas May Nostra Team. Awesome for him. I I need context. I need to know what that really means like. Was He really having a good season hair? It three ninety with five home runs in April and he made the All star team. I'll give you they give you the pitch and calm for that kind of all star member this game very well to look up Jack Armstrong. He started the All Star game in. Cincinnati wasn't a year Wrigley. Who is okay? So it wasn't but what you know from Rider University. Yeah like very few players that is. That's a New Jersey school and now my laundry but like mortgage mortgage vicious. I don't pronounce his name. The lefty for the PADRES. Now our Nick Mark I thought it was close Marquette Mikus Log Avak trust when says just got it anyway. You're right Jack Armstrong. John was eleven three with a two twenty eight era before the all-star break that you're in no other half year he ever had was anywhere close to good for them. They made all stars in some time. And because of the ridiculous rule that every team needs to be represented. I say ridiculous but growing up it was cool to me. It really was. It mattered to me growing up but like there was some ridiculous all sorts for the phillies when I was growing up. I mean like Wayne I was looking at Waynesville maiden all sorts. Shane Rawley may know Sir team. When I was growing up Kevin Gross. What are you thinking yeah phillies needed to have somebody basically and So I you know I liked the All Star game but you don't Michel was recently. I don't know I it's Kinda served its purpose. I don't think they need to have on this year. I was growing up Bergman meeting all star team. I'm not I'll be honest. I'm not a fan of the All Star game. I don't like the I mean some of the match ups on the against Chagas. The only one tyler green in one thousand nine hundred five was affiliate all-star he finished with a five thirty one. Era Tyler Green. I never guessed that are now. We're just wasting time Any more questions here. Well I can always tell like all right now. It's time wasting you know like there's nothing else talk about. You know we didn't do. We didn't comp anybody for the natural we did that for Major League. Okay so it's very hobson. That's it right Yeah I don't think there was one that that did strike me thinking about this movie younger but more recent with Josh Hamilton. Josh with a lot of things I mean well on and off but I think if you want if you wanna come but he was number one pick overall draft. He took eight years to reach the majors. He did get to the world series and if things break just ever so slightly differently he he gets the big hit. That wins the World Series. Win that world series by the way ten eleven. Like I don't know how they watch. It was eleven pretty sure. Yeah yeah they didn't make it a ten. It also giants eleven was the year against the cardinals. Just unbelievable how David freese stole that world series. I guess how it but I know too much. So he had chances. They had two chances to lock it down. That's the incredible part. Yeah yeah look an old left handed slugger who started late. Hit FOR POWER LEAD THROUGH JERSEY. The lights a was fifty years old when he played this. There's no good comp I see out analysts but did a lot of things and I don't think that's I know it's not the perfect. I'm just saying in terms of a hitter outfielder. I guess the absolute early on career baseball career gets tremendously sidetracked reaches greatness. Almost and he's that close to almost having the World Series Championship. I mean the point point. All right we're done for today. Thank you so much for listening to our little show. It is Thursday may seven while the show on Monday next week and then next Thursday back to June But it may be next Kyle Little GonNa talk about what would your interest Throw things fairness. We'll see what sticks movie people but Justin's well I what I don't want is to not discuss my favorite baseball movies and baseball comes back or we're discussing baseball so I WANNA get them out of the way for as we go on like so I mean I think my favorite one's bad news bears. That's a solid choice. Kyle I just I. I love rundown because we've already done the ones I liked best. We gotta get Erickson here. We gotta get Johnson here to. What IS HIS JUNE. Both these in his top five set big. We're doing okay with touching. He has in his top five and I have to admit I haven't seen that one Have you but I now want to knowing he has it in his top five. Let me know how to do that? And then But like whenever banners either of them is on I watch or not. I don't watch the second one in the seventies so let's differentiate that but the original bad news. Bears were Walter Matthau is a classic So at some point like to discuss that an eight out is I love the movie but it bothers me that it's not all true but I do love the movie. I whenever it's on I watch it and I've read the book several times and now I know from from Sabre Dot. Org that half the book wasn't even accurate. Which is anything in this world. The truth is any honest anymore and I don't WanNA get into most often. Get me fired but like there's no truth anymore like this happened or didn't okay. I understand movies taking poetic license here to make the movie more interesting but a book telling Truth S. SOAPBOX FOR TODAY. Thank you so much for listening by the way Please remember to call. Your mom was on Sunday. Sunday is mother's Day. We know it's a difficult time in our in many countries but hopefully mom is healthy. Doing okay so even if you cannot give her an actual hug make sure to give her a virtual on call her smile or a special day. Whatever it takes and the dual note here because I also say happy birthday to my own mother who probably will not listen to the show but why not anyway. So don't forget mothers day. Mothers extremely important. Yeah Happy Birthday to mothers stat. We ever it referred to her before of Stat Stat Stat. Anyway we're done for today. Thank you so much. Thanks Julie and concept interest across the S H stands for happy I. Am Eric have an awesome weekend?

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Brooks Koepka: All Business

Marty Smith's America The Podcast

56:55 min | 9 months ago

Brooks Koepka: All Business

"They all welcome to the Marty Smith's America podcast. This is volume one hundred something. and. It's an awesome week for Espn Championship Golf is back man the PGA championship is this weekend Out West in San Francisco. I'm thrilled I'm so glad that we're going to get to see a major golf championship and. Of course the first time in twenty twenty that that is happening because of the Kobe nineteen pandemic. The other ones were pushed to later in the year. And this one is on ESPN. A few of my buddies are out there I. Know Michael Leaves is out there vamps out there and they'll be bringing you content all week long and coverage all week long on ESPN platforms of the PGA Championship. I am I'm really excited for you guys to hear the interview. We have today. It's actually a few months old. I win out. Let me give you the back story quickly before. We get to the actual interview. I was at the Daytona five hundred. In Daytona Beach Florida in February got the opportunity to interview Brooks Koepka. Brooks was doing an appearance on behalf of. The PGA championship out in. San Francisco. At the giants. Baseball Park. And Harry Hawking Sma boy he's my feature producer, extremely talented, extremely talented feature producer he and I have done several pieces together for television. And so they flew Harry and me to. San Francisco. So I'm at the Daytona five hundred interview Kyle Busch. The morning of the Daytona Five, hundred race I leave Kyle. Get in a car haul freight over to Orlando Florida. Leave. The Orlando Airport. On a direct flight to San Francisco stayed the night there got up next morning. And went over to Oracle Park and spent the morning setting up that feature and and then had the opportunity to sit down with Brooks. Who of course, is the two time defending champion of the event which was supposed to take place in May but was pushed to this weekend. Due to the corona virus pandemic. and. Now, interview Brooks several times. I I met him at a Nike event at the Masters in two thousand, sixteen I think. It was either two, thousand, sixteen or seventeen something like that. it was before I covered the masters for. ESPN. So I think it was two thousand sixteen. And Brooks was doing a Nike Event and I got invited to the Nike Event, actually hosted it. And that was the first time that I met him. And so anyway, fly out to San Francisco and sit down with Brooks and we spent I. Don't remember exactly now again, it was several months ago. Maybe forty minutes or so with Brooks, not only breaking down his game but also his steely nerve, the one thing that he's known for the most. Other than unbelievable talent. Is. Being completely unflappable no matter. The obstacle he faces he has amazing composure, but he didn't always. And that was one of the most revealing parts of the interview and we have. Harry. My producer mentioned earlier Harry and I did a big piece. For All of our television platforms that will air all week this week leading into the PGA Championship. About how? Brooks grew emotionally as not only golf golfer, but also as a man. And his mother we have his mother in the peace and she's talking about direct. Now you think Brooks's direct talked to his mom. She is she she does not mince any words about her son's evolution as as a person. and. In describing him as a golfer and that evolution is well the the emotional growth. That Brooke says not only experienced but achieved and homed now. into one of the greatest golfers on the planet. Someone again, that I've now interviewed several times and Gosh I. Enjoy Him I. I. Love how direct and honesty is is candor is very rare. You don't meet a lot of athletes that are that direct. As we stated, the first major of Twenty Twenty is here get exclusive coverage of the PGA Championship August, sixth through ninth. 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Win It. But the winner could pick either one of us to go without if they would like there you go. If you guys here's this read on Marty Smith's America. And you end up going to ESPN RADIO SWEEPS DOT COM. And winning the package. y'All better. Invite Travis or me I have a feeling they're going to pick you over me. I don't know man I don't know. They might be some cute young lady who needs a date? Not I mean look if it's that'll work for me. But if it's a guy, they're gonNa want to bring the Mardi party we know that. Guys are your biggest fans. So they are that's who's GonNa pick you. That is unequivocal truth man. If you want to see the hardcore Mardi party demographic, it's like twenty one year old college senior dudes. And I'll take man they're loyal speaking of college guys. Reminded me I. Remember we're at South Bend for the Notre Dame team up north game couple years ago openings game of the season on the field and a four or five guys ask you for your photo and of course you're like sure get on end. And they're all excited and they you know get their arms around each other in the line and you look at it and go boys. WHO's taken the photo none of them gave a phone to anybody. Get your photo that they forgot that they need to. Pass the camera to me I think actually end Adams ended up taking the photo, your field producer but they were so excited. They forgot about the camera part Melendez a best man Melinda I mean she they just ESPN front row our. Kind of PR, PR department does pieces every now and then on people worked company and they did one recently on Melinda. Who has been in the NBA bubble now for like five weeks or whatever. and. She is a total rockstar and they are working their tails off they are limit. Let let me explain y'all what they're doing. They are lighting lash shots they are shooting live shot there the camera person, the lighting person to audio person they're setting up all the communication between Bristol Connecticut and Orlando Florida. There of course, doing research and helping their reporters prepare. It's amazing what they're doing, how hard they're working and I admire it so much We're so fortunate to have folks like Melinda another producer mind Andrea Pale down there. Travel up Patrick Abraham's my brother. You know all of them are down there and they're doing such great work and it's fun to watch you know folks like Maliki Andrews and And of course, Whoa. WHOA just down there, it's been fun to watch those guys they're paying and its historic TV I mean, those folks are living history. That's enough. Rambling drivel. Let's get to the interview and again we have Brooks Koepka? And we touched on a tone of different topics we got into his PGA championship victory last year the Masters last year when he had a very unique experience. whether or not it's easy to be friendly on the course bryce into Shambo and their little their little rivalry. And how he learned to control his emotions on the golf course eight if you guys love this interview with Brooks which I certainly hope you do I doing it. Check out the Mattie and the caddy podcast with Boys Matt Berry and Mike Collins Two of my best friends and accompany download and subscribe to Matty in the Candy and Marty. Smith's America where we get your podcast. Here, we go ladies and gentlemen buckled up tight. Here's Brooks Koepka on March Miss America. Are. Brother, we're going to start with your knowledge. Of Your own sport. There is but one man. Who won his first four majors within a two year span. Who that person is. That would be perfect. Group today. It's interesting when you look it that way I never. Looked at it like that. It's it's. Nice to see all the hard work pain why do you feel like you're that person? I don't know it's it's incredible. You look back at the run I've been on and it's it's a wild ride. You know it's one of those things where you don't want to take a second to kind of reflect on it because you you just. So in the moment, sometimes in having this little bit of in the injury you can kind of look back on it and it was it was cool to really reflect on the last few years and you don't. Get to do it too much because you're going all you're on when you're in the middle of this run, how difficult is it to live in the moment and actually appreciate what you're doing. You can't I don't think you can really appreciate and or really understand what's going on or what you're accomplishing. What you're doing. It's I've said it a few times where all look back on and reflect on a lot of things when when I'm done but at the same time Had a three month break and you look back and you see these four trophies. Wow. This incredible. This is something. You know I never dreamed of you as a kid you on the like I want to win the PGA I wanNA masters. I WANNA. Win You know all these different tournaments. Hope, it comes through but just to be able to play in them is pretty cool and then you just take it a step further and win one and you know. There's only so many guys that have won four plus majors be on that list is pretty pretty cool. What would you say to that Little Brooks? Man just keep working just keep going. It's it's so cool to see. You know your dreams come true I don't think. There's not many people in the world where they. Aspire to be something, and then they actually get to do it and I, think that's the coolest thing in the world. I mean I love my day job I. Love It. It's so cool. You know look back at those moments where you know you might be running and you running a couple of miles and you just hate it at the same time. I remember thinking the first major I want I was like that's why I did that I was like that's why I struggled through whatever it is you're going through you know everybody has their ups and downs and those downs sometimes are so low but at the same time those heisman their incredible. How would you describe your performance? The first three days at bethpage Those pretty follows. It was pretty good the was something that. I mean those first few days to kind of do it It's such A. Flawless perfect. You know two rounds I would say that was the closest thing. I've ever played. The Perfect Golf. What was going through your mind at that time? I felt like I felt like he could do wrong You know the first three days even going into the last. It felt great. You know sometimes just things happen where. You just you hit great shots and that's what a major championship does. Get some great shots and you get penalized. How would you describe the conditions on Sunday bethpage brutal anytime, you can get in conditions where it's blown twenty, five and. Quite Gusty makes golf very interesting off tight fairways. It's a hard enough golf course but. He threw all that into the mix plus a little bit of attention. It's It makes it makes for a fun show. I'm sure. So how would you describe your performance on Sunday? It was one of those actually didn't play that I thought I played really good. Almost as good as I did the first three days. For Ten Holes, eleven just had a bad drive and all the sudden you can hit great jobs and you're in there often you've got no chance just kind of depends on your lie had a great shot on the par-three on fourteen and. Herald. Watches, ball float and mine went through it, and it's one of those things where there's nothing you can do it. That's that's what happens when you days but at the same time it was. Very, high, very low all in about an hour. It was It was very satisfying come out on top. When you're in the middle of that stretch from eleven through fourteen and it seems to be unraveling. How do you make sure you maintain composure just stick with the process everything done you look at it you've got this attitude of Hey I'm here to win and that's what I wanna do and you know things can go sour on You know during that stretch, they could have gone sour way earlier too. But that's why you play good enough those first three days and give yourself a little bit of lead a little bit of extra. Just in case something does go wrong. It was a unique to yeah it was New York Kraus's. Now, they're DJ's name throughout that entire period. What's that like when you hear those chance and that your performance in that moment? It was it was interesting. Obviously, golf really doesn't happen that often and then you throw into the mix of wow. I know screwing this up and then they'll let you hear it. It's. A good sporting town does good. Fans I. I enjoy that a kind of woke me up a little bit. Woke me up to the fact of well, this is a lot closer than it really is and you need to step it up. But at the same time, that's I love that I love that sometimes you got to be called out sometimes you got to really be putting your place and and they definitely did that they helped me. There are lot of athletes probably it's not an overstep to say most athletes fall apart. When that's the environment why do you thrive in it? Why did you just say that's how it should be. A lot of times I think people don't tell you know. Athletes the truth a lot of times you know even in your inner circle, they're going to tell you what you wanna hear not not exactly the truth and sometimes you really get to know your screwing it up or when you're doing something great and and they love me no I liked that I liked that the fact that I was able to. Spin it positively I don't know how many guys would actually spin it that way. But for me it was it was something that needed to be done and it was a wakeup call for sure how many of your peers you think could have done that? A few select few you know you got to be mentally tough I think that's that's what makes the gray ones great your mindset, you a party out I mean everybody's talented. But at the same time you got take it a step further and to be able to do that as all mental. What was your emotion when it was finally over? was. So. Happy. It was done. It was exciting to have it to be finished but. Since a relief you know those last hour and a half was so stressful I. Think it took me like two days two three days just kind of decompress from everything that was going on and but at the same time it. To defend I mean it's so hard to actually do that and do it at the US Open. The PJ are both those back to back was was pretty special. What is it? That makes defending so difficult? I think sometimes expectations can get in the way you know I want last year so I should want it again I think sometimes you can but you're looking ahead and that's where I think a lot of nervousness pressure I, think that's That's where all that comes from looking ahead instead of staying in the moment and just being like, Hey, just gotta hit one golf shot and that's it and wherever it goes, it goes and accept it and move on. You know you start thinking about results is when when you feel pressure because you're thinking about what's going to happen if I do this so you're looking ahead so you just gotta stay in the moment. On that note, I'm GonNa. Ask you to look ahead. What would it mean to get three straight? Where would that place you in history idea that'd be pretty cool I. It's incredible to even think about it. The fact that I've got a chance to win know three PJ's rose. That's wild something I never really thought it was ever. GonNa. Happen here I am. So it's it's pretty cool. You have wanamaker's US Open trophies. Let's discuss the green jacket. What would that mean to you to win that thing? Yeah. That'd be that'd be ideal but every year I plus get better and better you understand the golf course a little bit more and really nowhere to attack. Two Thousand and Nineteen Masters was interesting for you. What do you remember about that masters remember Dr One in the water on twelve hard to forget that I was just told that last week by somebody I I played great. I really did I played. Solid four days ago and even the ball the wind water hit a good shot. I know people like you know you gotta aim for the center of the Green. It's exactly what I was were trying to do in the wind just puffed up and. You won't see four guys hitting the water like that all in a row without something going on. Actually backed off my first shot because the wind was off the right and we thought it was off the left and then. I I'd encourage anybody to go on that T- and see which way the wind goes. 'cause we don't even know as we're hitting. That smile while you're telling me that it makes me laugh why what is that? It's just you know there's some times where you can. You can hit good shots and they just don't. They don't work out and that was one of them I hit it exactly how I wanted to. You could just see it climb a little bit at the end and boy we're in trouble. and. At the same time, it was cool to see tiger. Win You know. You got to remove yourself from the situation I think sometimes and and look at it. Loud. That was that was history right there i. think that was so good sports so good for fans good for The players give for everybody involved sponsor doesn't matter who you are. If you're golf fan, that's what you needed to see, and that's what you wanted to see I knew everybody was cheering for him. It was pretty obvious there. And it's it's cool to see. It really is special and to be kind of have a front row seat to it made it made it even better? So I imagine you were quite aware of what was happening behind you as he was starting to make that charge late in the round what what was that like are those roars just different Dita's no. At Augusta, you definitely know you know which player it is by the size of the roar, and then especially with having them right behind you everybody's wanting to try to get a front row seats. They're all coming up to our group You know let's kind of wanted to disadvantages I, guess playing in front of your and everybody's always coming up and. Jockeying for position trying to find their spot but they'll They'll let you know and at Augusta it's incredible. I love the the way Ross just echo in that place and it's it's really truly cool to see. I was standing on eighteen what a blessing unbelievable blessing as he's walking up the fairway. He taps in. And as he's walking to sign his card. You're standing there. Sharply standing there jt standing there ricky standing there Roy everybody all of the young stars of the game are standing. Why was it important for you to wait for him? I wanted to see it. I wanted to congratulate them I hand everything he's been through. Look at where? You know a lot of people don't have the insight and see what goes on when he truly was hurt. You know I, remember I saw medalists and he's out there with Charlie and Everybody. I mean he looked awful walking he really did he didn't looking good shape he was. He was just struggling and you could see it in his face and you can see it in his eyes and to see where he was in I think it was two thousand seventeen to where he is. Now you know it's It's a feel good story. That's that's probably the best way to describe that it's it's neat to see. What chance do you? Would you have given them in that moment that you would see what you saw last year? Oh, looking at a lot of give them a shot I don't think. If I was a bad man on on that day. I. Probably would have said he had no chance of winning. Ever winning again. But at the same time, it's tiger woods never him out. When you fall one shot short. At a tournament like the master especially the masters. How often or to what degree do you go back and look at this shot or that shot is there one that you'd want back? Yeah. I mean obviously twelve would would be the one I went back. But at the same time you made it look closer than it was I think that's you know he he bogeyed the last. You know he he made it look closer than it was you know you look at the I guess the leaderboard now and you only see one by one. Oh, you know I missed in seventeen and eighteen. Listen I hit good putts didn't go in and at the same time I made some mistakes coming down to hang around sixteen just block it a little bit and he makes Birdie. There's there's your swaying Interesting. Go in and. You know to to win a golf tournament play. Really good. Simple fact, and he just did that better than everybody else we. How do you describe your emotional approach to golf? I just try to make. Make the best of whatever the situation I've got I think a lot of times guys get caught up in You know what they're doing and what other people are doing, where's so and so on the leaderboard how are things going on out there? Don't say it selfishly but I'm only concerned about what I'm doing I'm concerned about how I'm GonNa make Birdie on this whole get up and down for par whatever it might be trying to make the best of that situation and anytime I can. Try to improve on whatever you know the score, whatever it might be. Just, get it done. There's no way around it and just get it done. How was that emotional approach developed? It's I. Guess It's been. Fine tuned over the last maybe five six years It was very super competitive ever since I was little I. Think. Sometimes, they can backfire you gotta know when to really push yourself and when not to and I think. Being a little bit older you know the more golf you play the more understanding you have of how you responded Ting's how you understand pressure what? You know certain circumstances. Hey, listen. I'm jazzed up right now I know this balls going to seven hundred. Ninety five zero five just because of the situation you understand how things work and. I think a lot of times. That's why you see is really don't. Come into their own until they're in their mid thirties they've played a lot of golf I understand it and I think. That's what makes golf so unique and so special. What role did Chris Malloy play? In your development emotionally Yeah. I mean he taught me up. That's for sure a lawyer was. He was he was tough on me. I remember. Iran those steps Doke I. can't tell you how many times punishment workouts for everything I ever did. It tell me I just had to be tough I knew. I wasn't born to do this. I, guess a good way to put you look at guys like was destined to be you know one of the best players Justin Thomas was destined to be tiger, all these guys in I I was in. I mean you look at it tournaments ever since we were little you know guys get into tournaments I get into them. Obviously. Politics play a little bit a role in that but at the same time. I couldn't I didn't. have. Any. Scholarship. Offers. So You know I couldn't play all these events couldn't go. I wasn't getting into them, and then you know you finally get into him and you always feel like he got something to prove i. think that's where a lot of that chip on the shoulder comes from. just always having try to prove yourself. You said just a few minutes ago. There's only a handful of people who have four majors on their resume you do and you want in less than two years. That chip right now? How much? How much do you still carry it I think you always got something to prove I've got you know I want to win two major. So I've got a pretty bad to myself. It's not about anybody else anymore it's about what I. Could Goals I. Have Set I. Think. It's great. It'll it'll drive you so far. But at a certain point, you've got to take over in really understand what what you want to make. You know I'm in the driver's seat of of my career and I'm GonNa push this thing as far as I can push it. you know, push my body push, push my gain to the you know. To the limits and see you know when I retire I. WanNa be able to say, wow, I gave it my all I gave it everything I've got and this is what I came up with and I can live with that whether if I don't win another major. Win Ten more doesn't matter I wanted when I leave I just WanNa say I give him all? Let's go back to Malloy second. What was that row? You said he pushed you really hard. How did he make you aware? That you need to grow. So yeah, I think a lot of it being an eighteen year old kid I think sometimes. Say I was slow in the maturing side of things, but it was. You need a little kicking the but every once in a while, everybody needs a little reality check in. Eighteen year old kid going off on your own in college thinking wow, this is great. But at the same time, I'm there to go play golf and go to school. that. was something that I needed to do and they hold me accountable I think that was something that. Needed to happen at that time I needed to develop more as a human being than I than I did as Golfer and that's what you know maligning trae where we're going to do it They were able to get me to grow up as a person and immature you looking back in me either. Trust. When you do though when you look back at that eighteen nineteen year old kid and the emotions involved the way you approach the game what did you see if we sell it? What would we see think who is your hot head I was very, very I run hot. I was passionate and I just never understood why I could. Push it fifteen twenty feet to the right and then you start to understand listen. I I'm even at the flag. Every shot right and it's not going to the whole. So I'm not anywhere. I want to anyway. So why are you gonNa be pissed if you miss it ten to more Feta right? Just make the pot and it's done what just understanding how It doesn't need to always be perfect. You can get it around and you can shoot a good score just not to be perfect. You said some that intrigue me a minute ago about how you weren't supposed to be that were supposed to have this career. Why do you have this career? I've just always had something proof You know I've always believed that. I could be the bachelor I am the best you know everybody every great athlete doesn't matter what sport you play if your that's your mentality, you're going to be successful whatever you do you know to the best of your ability some guys you know we get onto the PGA tour. That's just good enough. They're satisfied the mean that's not the case I'm trying to be the best trying to. Be The best ever plate and anybody that says. They're not trying to do that is to me. It doesn't make sense because that's what that's what we're here for us to be the best you've got to win and win consistently. Couple more things. There are some athletes during our generation and even before who it seems to me did not show up to make friends. They did not show up for relationships they showed up to kick your ass. You strike me as one of those guys. Now I'm on know right this is this is an influence on my part. You strike me as one of those those guys. To what degree? What weight do you put on friendships or relationships with your peers versus? What you're there to do ya think. You've got to separate it a lot of times. I don't I don't play a lot of practice rounds with guys simple as I just don't want to give them information and. They know, hey, if I push one of the right I can carry that bunker. They know how far they hit it and they know how far I hit you know each club and all these different things. So they can get a little bit of gauge out of plate or if I feel like I've gotten advantage on somebody else because I saw this and I don't think most guys would see it. I'm not about to share it. you know called selfish call whatever it's not I'll watch guys watched guys play other holes And just kind of stand back and and take it all in but. You know it's different. You get any clubhouse you can talk I don't mind talking to guys hanging out with them. Obviously there's a lot of guys on in Jupiter There's probably twenty thirty guys. But at the same time I've got my friends I've got my friends that I grew up with guys at around. I don't need to I. Don't need to see him every every week on tour and every week and home to I enjoy getting away from the game my a lot of my boys. They could care less about often and that's kind of. been my outlet getting away from Golf sometimes and I think that's what. Able to make me me. We'll perspective. Does that give you when you're not around? Yes. Men All the time. Oh. Yeah. No, I've always tell me exactly how it is. They'll. Let know when what I've done something stupid when I open my mouth and I should never done eating just accountability. That's what you gotTa have and you've gotta have those people around. Because, if you don't, then you kind of in a fairytale land. What was the five second rule of Florida State yeah And obviously I ran hot but I couldn't couldn't do anything for five seconds after after bad shot I've allowed to let it out and then I couldn't speak of it now. Is it You know obviously I wasn't allowed to Simul Club or break club or do anything to the bag but I could have five seconds where I can Palette and be about it and be act like a kid, and then after that, it was done with and I think that's kind of progressed into the no emotion the know. What you today I think that's what it is. It's just okay. Well, it's gotten a lot less now you know be a quarter of a second but other than that you won't see much. How respected you feel? By your peers and the folks on talks I. I don't know it's a good question I don't I think a lot of them would say that I don't WanNa say. A loner but a lot of you know I'm there to win. That's what I'm. That's what I'm showing up to do I. Feel. I. Feel. There is a lot of respect engulfs one of those things where. You look at it. I. Have Nothing but respect for rory tiger. Justin. All these guys, You know we definitely show to each other, but at the same time. Everybody wants kicked everybody's. But so you know a lot of times. From years from now Rozina kick my butt and kids. It's just simple as and hopefully it stays that way. Mesa Game Fun you want that competitive fire you want that. you want that enjoyment out of winning and but I think with all that comes respect. The Chambal thing intrigues me. What about you go after that Dude Man Up On t I'm going to take a swing at you. Can't troll the troll said that. One of those things where it's Less I said my piece on it. I said, you know what I thought I thought it was. The slow play thing He, didn't like it. You know we talked about it and then you know come out. He told me to not say anything and he just kept going. So I'll let you have no problem with me I'll I'm not afraid to open my mouth. Walk us through your recovery in. Rehab, from your knee, what did it entail and and where are you with it? Yes. Obviously slipping career flew back on Saturday got back to states. I, think on Sunday and then Monday I was in Rehab it was a quick turnaround didn't have much time to think about it God Derek Samuel out in San Diego was important he came in my physio Mark Wall came in everybody looked at it. Would you know obviously? I? AM OUR EYES And try to figure out the best way to approach it, and we figured PT was the best to go about it and I spent quite a few. Nights of Miami. They fly down to Miami and we'd go do some working hotel and. Next thing you know it'd be back in in San Diego and I spent pretty much from the middle number all the way till. Early. January. There before I left for the Middle East Just out there wasn't clear day balls spin until December twentieth and It's only about. Only, hit about five six times before we actually went to play in the Middle East but the. The, Rehab. His Co. well, the process man you just got to understand that every day you're going to get better and better you can have your good days. You can have your bad days and. But, at the end of the day, you're progressing towards where I wanna be I, WANNA I wanna be healthy be one hundred percent and it might it might be a while but at the same time. It's strong strong now, I think. We kind of had a little bit of the wrong approach to it on the the first I go round and that's why think last year bugged me so bad. When was the last time? You went that long without hitting a golf ball. Probably, with my wrist, my wrist issues. So probably what I think it was what? Two thousand, seventeen Other than that. It's been a while. I don't usually don't put it down for three months It was it was interesting. You try to find that competitive fire something It doesn't matter what it is. You know for me it was the rehab process it was okay. Well, now, I can actually get up out of a chair without pain Um you know I couldn't even do a quarter squat and then all the all the sudden you're I've got weighed in my hand and you're trying to find that competitiveness in the rehab process which was Quite interesting as a guy who is so fit and does work so hard towards excellence. What is that like when that is your victory for the day? This was probably the hardest I've ever had I don't know if anybody's ever dealt with the Potala you know the KNEECAP came up and twisted it was in the fat pad So we had to get that off and then you know the tear still there. You know in my it doesn't feel anything like my right knee my rainy. You know I can do whatever I want on left knee I'm still a little cautious on it it's strong stable which wasn't three months ago two months ago not even you know. Month and a half ago. But to have it. Feel like. I'm able to do things now on it. I mean I couldn't walk on it. Without. Not. Sure. If it's going to go left go right. You know I didn't know what it was going to do but to be able to feel strong and stable is has been a big key in this whole process. A Gas He was honest. I mean I enjoy him so much man. Let me tell you another cool thing about Brooks captain. So I don't know when it was. It was a couple maybe his last month or two months ago. A massive shows up on a porch I mean massive. And what is this so opened the boxer. And it is a black box that is probably three feet long. With, a huge bouquet on the emblazoned on the box. Brooks' Personal Logo K.. So I'm like, what is this man? So I open it up and Brooks sent to many of his friends and I'm I guess media that cover him or whatever. these welcome back to sports boxes with. like Caramel popcorn and cheesy popcorn, which was a sponsor of his and forgive me I can't remember the name of Popcorn Sorry Brooks. and. MICHELOB ULTRAS because. That's one of Brooks's big sponsors as michelob ultra. And so it was popcorn and beer and he had a personal note in the box. You know welcome back to sports. We've all missed it so much. And I just thought that was so cool that he sent that to me of all people but I felt like it was really nice human I was really grateful for that and the the popcorn lasted probably two days in my house and the coal beard lasted more like. There, were I think there were four beers in the box and I think they lasted about ninety minutes Lasts long enough to get cold. Yeah, I. Mean I got him cold. So let's say that's an forty, five minute experience Helen Long does it take to make a warm Beer Co. forty, five minutes? I don't know that's a that's a good question. You know the do you know the country boy? Do you know the spin technique? You put in a bed of ice? Spin it. Yeah. I mean that's very quick. You can get your beer ice cold and like ten minutes if you're in a bad spot. Yeah that's something that you can do y'all America's ready to get back to work I. Know I am praying for college football that's a whole other rabbit hole. We don't need to go down on this podcast but. I mean we're making some headway. It's time for ask Marty. This week. At this one I went back to a couple of the tweets that pushed out there. There's some good questions I I can't believe that I missed a swan came look back on July twelfth from at Mac underscore ion underscored tr, who is the best fictional sports star ever The. Best Fictional Sports Bar Fictional sports. Star. So the movie was five ten PM. As as we take this, you can tell where my is. The greatest fictional sports star Ooh that's really hard for me man because I'm such a first of all. They're so medium. Meka go all the way back to Deniro in raging bull and all that stuff right? So. I. Mean He was fictional right? I don't know that's not based on a true story. I don't think so. Well. That shows what you and I know. Anyway. I mean for me personally I just watched so I have been scouring. The TV guide. For. Win Days of thunder would be all anywhere. I don't Care Channel Five, thousand, two, hundred, and eight junior. You can search it right in just learned. Okay you. Laney teach you. Yes. I just learned that, and so I was thrilled to learn that one of these super obscure network somewhere I see for IV tea or Donna. They had it on. Last Saturday at like two in the afternoon was when it started it's weird time but that's what time it was. Two thirty owner so I. I have watched it twice already in two days. And? How great is that movie man that move movie is the best. And trickle, do you want me to upset you? You don't like it or you never seen it which I've never seen it? Golly son you have to do better. That's your Homework Travis Homework is to go on the t network I Y. Z whatever it was. Go. Do you even have what are you? How do you consume television? I've got cable I've got prime I'll I'll find it. Okay to go watch the thunder man you have to. An Rowdy Burns Michael Rooker character in days of thunder is, is, of course, based on Dale Earnhardt and the aggressiveness and all of that phenomenal character Robert Duval's character I. Don't know if that counts as a sports star because he was the crew chief. In days of thunder. I Love Major League so much too. I love all I love all those characters whether it's Pedro Serrano. Whether it's wild thing bomb whether it's Edi hairs is one of the funniest characters ever for me you trying to me Jesus. Christ, Kane hit a curve ball I mean. This. Movie Jake Taylor on and on and on. So I love. Major. League. I would consider Uncle Rico in the polian dynamite to be a fictitious sports star. So I'm throwing him in this argument that sounds wondering if you're going to go with I, mean Hell we had alkyl Rico on the podcast for crying out loud. The thing is you can't. You can't count like remember the titans you can't count junction boys you can't count. Friday Night Lights 'cause all of those are real people in in terms of the movie. Now, there were fictitious characters in the Friday Night Lights Television series you could go there. Whether. That's Jason Street the quarterback whether that's Riggins. Whether that's smash Williams all those guys were I forget Michael B. Jordan's. Character, in Friday Night Lights. I, forget his name. I remember Sarasin in Friday Night Lights but Michael Jordan wound up being the biggest star of all of them and him and I guess Taylor Quiche Quiche is a Kish, Taylor? Cash. The guy that played riggins he's a pretty big star. He's been in some big Tom Monster feature films. What are some are? No I'm forgetting. Like Roy Hobbs. What about Roy was that plus I don't mind would have to be Charlie tweeted from far staples. Great one that's a great one twenty dollars a good one. Twitter drinks fears because twitter spears. That's a great question. That's a great question. You know you could. There's also all the other movies that I haven't mentioned. There's so many great racing movies. I just chose days of thunder six pack has a ton of amazing characters in it. Shane Falco from the replacements. Kathy Ireland. was pretty good and necessary roughness. Of rendered you. Speechless Travis. It's funny. That's a little bit of an inside joke between Travis and me because. We have we are I will just go ahead and say. We are efforting getting Kathy Ireland as our guest. On the PODCAST. I- I slid into Kathy Ireland's DM's man. I just sent her a direct message and she had been a Like mentioned my book on social, media. And she loved my book and I was of course blown away by this. for a lot of reasons and. So I just was like well, she has any clue who I am my book. Why don't I? Just ask. And so I asked and she said, yes, you would love to do it and Travis has been efforting that with her public relations. Team. Over the last week or so is that an accurate depiction? Yes she's a busy woman trying to find time to lock it in, but we will have at some point she only has like. Three billion dollars. Wasn't aware to. Like ten different hats, who's a mogul? She's a business mogul. Bro Yeah I mean she is unbelievably successful. and has so many. Like I love people. I'm fascinated by people. Like her. I WANNA interview people that inspire me. One thing about US especially me as. I will bother people to the point where I think they'd give us the guests just so I will leave him alone. You really really your persistence there's no doubt. I don't take no for an answer out. You know they'll say email me in a couple of weeks like. All right. So I'll just keep bothering them until they finally just given. That's one thing that makes Travis Gre- is. I I will tell you all this not only. Is he my friend? But I never ever ever have to question effort. On know if I ask him something and I asked him to do something for me. Unless he's in the moment producing Scott Van Pelt. podcast or doing something else that is important to commandeer his time. He is immediately on it, and even if the answer is I, can't or I don't know or it's not happening I know. that. That's the truth because he is a grinder. And I love I. Don't. I don't want anybody else do in my pocket S. And you know it was interesting when the masters asked me. To be involved in their podcast. They asked me what I needed. Their quest there one that like they. They said Marty. What do you need for this to be great And I said, I only need one thing on the Travis Rocco I need my producer Mortis Miss America. and. is going to be great. and they very kindly adhere to that, and we have had a blast like a blast doing that can't wait until November when we do it again. I appreciate those words but before I'm next question I, need you to give me at least. One does have to be your absolute by at least one name you have to answer the question I'll do have to answer the question. Okay I'M GONNA say. My favorite, fictional. My favorite. Fictional character. Ball player ever. I'm GONNA go riggins. That's a good one. Yeah. I'm going riggins man that's me Lane I. I don't know if you understand. How much I loved The Friday Night Lights Television series. So my favorite television series ever. And there's a lot of the writing was brilliant Peterberg was the director. who also, of course was director of the Friday Night Lights Movie I love that coach Taylor. and. The whole the way that that that character was played. With. So much like empathy and the way that they wrote the familial dynamic. Between coach, Taylor Tammy, Taylor his wife, and. The way that they really develop the character. So deeply, it was just unbelievable aside from the football which I look like you guys know me by now. You know how much I love. The entire high school football mystique, the entire. Thread. That is high school football. That was only that was what got me there. It was the great writing in the character development and And really really immersive. The immersive entertainment that that thing was is, what kept me there? I just love it. So I'm going. I'm going with Tam Reagan's. As my favorite fictional sports star ever. The question comes from Stephen Billiard. This comes but goes back to a couple of years ago. Can you ever put too much butter on corn? Bread. No. No you cannot. You cannot in. that it doesn't matter what type of corn bread it is. It doesn't matter if it's be. Tight that's not as sweet. Mom always made sweet corn bread. And so it's like pound cake almost it's so delicious. And you can slather that in real butter is better than I remember when my mom one time my mom got margarine. Instead of real butter and I thought my father was gonNA throw up on the table. It it didn't go over very well it was like it was like the the stood the whip look and stuff country crock or whatever that stuff. Margarine and. Maybe margarine had a little bit less fat in it or whatever. Maybe that's why Mama got it but. It tasted like. Lick in a cardboard box. And so we go real butter in my house. Yet grocery store. Here. There's this huge like lump. Old like low is not as big as half a loaf of bread. That's that's the size and shape of it. And it's like the Amish. Butter. And it comes in that big big old lump. And we by the big lump. It's delicious. And far more nutritious. Marjorie. I love the corn bread but always always vote biscuits. Man I'm fine. Either way I'm a corn. Brave man. But I can't say no to a biscuit. That's where the whole thing started I was on I was on a flight. I was on a cross country flight one Where I had gotten on the plane and fallen asleep. And I don't remember if it was a red eye and I woke up or if it was. An early morning flight and I woke up and they were serving breakfast. And I have a might even been hung over I can't remember. But The flight attendant comes by with a basket of biscuits. And she looks at me and she goes would you like a biscuit Sir I'm like. Well Yeah, I WANNA biscuit. And I got to thinking i. I'm a little bit of a nutrition nerve, but I can't turn down a biscuit. Can't I can't say no to a bisque especially on a flight. You can't. You can't selective on a flight and they're good man I, give American Airlines a lot of credit. They biscuits a really good. And I sometimes, I can't, and I'll be like I'm a honey Ya. Honey local honey and stuff here you of your county and everything. Yeah. I I eat a lot of honey I've seen. Put It in your yogurt your coffee I mean you wouldn't everything. And there's a reason and it's natural sugar. I mean it's sugar that your body can process. Is it added calories that might be unnecessary? Yeah. But I would rather have. It's like drinking red wine versus beer. When you drink red wine. It's complex sugar that your body can process. That's why people in the South Beach Diet drink red y. As opposed to beer. Just go ahead and drink beer and red wine I don't care. But anyway that's a little bit of a tangent but I do put honey in my coffee every day. I'll put honey and my yogurt to sweeten it up a little bit. And I put honey on biscuits and that flight attendant that morning. When I asked her. Is it the I'll have any honey. She brought me honey. Now's very grateful for that honey. Before we go. Did you happen to catch the Carolina Hurricanes. twitter account today Marty. No enlighten me so you know they're holding hockey seven games during the day you know with everything that's going on. And one Oh, nine PM Today on August. Third Carolina Hurricanes tweeted. MARDI party and. It was a gift of one of their hockey players. Yes. So one of their hockey players Jordan Martin. Luther. It's spelled Marta I N, O o K. Job Pronouncing it. Yeah. But they tweeted it's a Marty party, which I replied that it sounds like me they get this guy on if they're calling him a Martin Party like I feel like this is a you know you live in you know the area I feel like this is a joint venture that if they're gonNA call Mardi party you are the Mardi party we need to have the sky on. If, they're GONNA call in the morning party he should join the MARDI party. Yeah. I didn't know if you saw it today. So I did not another that's another person I think rap go after I think you should call the hurricanes that might actually be we my bill pull at all so I think it'd be good. So that's we're going to try to get a joint. MARDI party. With the Carolina hurricanes going it sounds good I mean it makes sense I live. Two and a half hours from where he plays something like that. Are May. I hope you guys enjoyed brooks. Koepka. Thanks to him for. Being. Willing to sit down with me out there in San Francisco a few months back I. Hope You guys get to see the television feature as well. That Harry Hawking's and put together Harry did a great job but that piece together and And in Greg Jewel and everybody involved in. The features unit that oversees all of our golf features I love getting to do those so much there. So fulfilling for me. and. I hope you guys enjoyed that interview. Thanks so much again brooks for for his time. And Blake Smith. Brooks, agent will in helping set and all that up so. Thanks so much to law enforcement officials all over the country working hard to keep our communities say thank you to our fire and rescue folks first responders who are risking their lives to save lives and I'm so grateful for military. We, live in a free country we live in the greatest country and it's because of the sacrifice of our men and women in uniform. So thank you so much to all of you guys for your sacrifice and for working hard to make sure we're furry. Hope Y'all enjoy that as Marty. Smith's America volume one hundred something. We'll be back next time around and we'll see y'all the take.

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